Jack's Debate Thread
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Puzzled | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 12:37 pm     Yes, I know, Costacat, telling his friends and family is one thing, having things on public record is another. Even if he changed names, he couldn't be sure that someone couldn't figure it out. He's much better off keeping quiet. |
Buggles | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 12:58 pm     Huh??? I see Jack talking strategy every day. He's just more low-key in his demeanor, not high strung or intense like the rest of them. But it's clear to me that he never forgets he's playing a game. All of his comments seem to be carefully crafted to try to fit in, not peeve anyone off etc. I'm sorry but a lawyer who ascends to the upper ranks of the FBI can't be lazy. Say what you will about the efficacy of his strategy but he's playing the game no doubt He's certainly not there to make friends, goof around, socialize, or sleep LOL I also agree with Puzzled... he can only prudently give so much detail about his time in the Bureau. If his lips were flappy, then we'd surely be hearing 'how can this guy be FBI??' as well. Can't win! No one in the house seems to be faulting him here anyway, it seems just fine in terms of game strategy. |
Boberg | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:14 pm     Puzzeled excellent point about everything being taped and how crazy the media could make it for Jack if he told FBI stories..excellent point! |
Widowswalk | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:15 pm     I love Jack and hope either he or Erika wins but they talk strategy all the time yet never do anything. I'm worried. The worst for me is if Justin wins and it looks like he will so Jack and Erika better do something in the next comp. |
Maris | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:23 pm     I doubt the media would be all over a case that is thirty years old, has had hundreds of books written about it and has been discussed ad nauseum on Larry King Live. |
Tishala | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:56 pm     Yeah I wasa thinking the same thing. Oh heavens! We can't have the public talking about Patty Hearst! The republic will topple! I'm sure Louis Freeh will be paying close attention. |
Misslibra | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 02:02 pm     Jack should not be trusting Jun what is he thinking. |
Tishala | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 02:04 pm     Oh he's demonstrating his great ability to read people, Miss. |
Puzzled | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 02:07 pm     Anyone who's ever been interviewed by the press knows how they twist words. The media regularly dredge up old sensational cases, even when people are dead--like Jack the Ripper and Lizzie Borden. There's nothing wrong with the public talking about the Hearst case, but I can see it now--Jack would say how the sun was shining and some media goof with more time than brains would write an article about how the F.B.I. weren't focussed, blah, blah, blah. |
Misslibra | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 02:07 pm     LOL Not funny. I think his brain is turning into mush being in the house. |
Debbied | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 02:09 pm     Maris, The media might not be all over it, but you can bet, in this time of tightened security, that the FBI would be all over Jack's backside. I work in law enforcement and we are currently working on a case that is 20 + years old and has had oodles of publicity. Believe me, no one is saying anything, except through official channels. |
Maris | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 03:24 pm     Yes but Debbie, the Patty Hearst case has been solved. If it was a 30 year old unsolved case, maybe. Heck she was even pardoned. It is ancient history. |
Debbied | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 03:35 pm     Maris, That may be, but I can tell you that the FBI has STRINGENT rules about talking about cases and I think Jack is just taking the prudent course. I mean he knows what happens when those guys get peeved. |
Tishala | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 03:49 pm     You know what? If jack said ANYTHING about Patty Hearst/Tanya, I'd become a fan. It'd be better than his half witted bits of "plotting" with Erika--good move to go to Jun, Jack!--or his "banter." Just say something about her being a rich rich rich heiress! And toting a gun in a bank! And her brainwashing defense! This is all public record and it'd be about 500 times more entertaining than anything else going on in the house. JMHO |
Cricket | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 06:07 pm     Here's something Jack said on live feeds today: From Live Feeds 8/11 "Erika- I'm not worried- you've been great with the other ones. Ali is compulsive." Jack- that's what I was thinking- she's flighty- brain interpreted it as compulsive, not obsessive-it was stupid- I plead insanity- can't rationalize it" I think he was talking about blowing the HOH question. I wonder if he hasn't heard about OCD, Obsessive Compulsive. Boy that's a tricky one. If Julie had said Compulsive...he may have gotten it right. If he does stay, I'd really like to see him or Erika try for and win HOH. |
Misslibra | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 06:23 pm     Jack or Erika better win HOH this is like their last chance. |
Puzzled | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 06:27 pm     Definitely, Miss Libra--it's time to fish or cut bait. |
Misslibra | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 06:29 pm     Time to fish or cut bait... I like that. Never heard that one before. |
Buggles | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 11:14 pm     Personally I'm not watching BB to see Jack regurgitate the public record... if I wanted to learn more about Patti Hearst there are other sources (like oh say the public record ). Any additional interesting insights Jack could possibly offer he probably can't (because they're um, not public record). Besides, Jack's retired & probably doesn't want to think about work anyway... the HGs don't seem to be very interested either so I think it's a good move on his part to keep it surface. The polarization in the house has made it difficult for anyone to 'make a move'... as a rule those who have tried have been shi+listed. Jack really hasn't been any less 'active' than the fixtures in the house that I can see... he just doesn't have an 'ex alliance' for obvious reasons. It's a pity he stinks at the comps but he might have his day in the sun just yet. It's interesting that regardless he's viewed as a threat by J3. They probably realize that if he does make it (skate?) to the final two, he'd have a good chance of winning because interesting or not, he's a very well liked & well respected member of the house. |
Philamom | Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 03:16 am     I have to give props to Jack. He was, in my opinion, brilliant in last night's conversation with Justin. Jack had said earlier that he wouldn't go to Justin and talk a deal, because that would be a sign of weakness. And he thought that, ultimately, Justin would respect strength. Last night, Justin did everything he could to try to get Jack to commit to a deal if they evicted Nate instead of Jack. Jack wasn't going for it, and implied that if he stayed, he would be going after Justin. Jack also planted some seeds of doubt in Justin's head. I loved how he did this -- he didn't directly call Nate a liar, but suggested to Justin that it was foolish to trust that anyone would keep their word. I think this just may work -- although it did make Justin a little nervous knowing that Jack is coming after him (but he realized that anyway). I think Justin respected Jack's honesty and integrity. And he realizes that Nate will probably screw him anyway, and then he'd look like a complete fool for keeping Nate. Better to know your enemy, and that kind of thing. Way to go, Jack. I'm proud of you. |
Outlawout | Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 05:06 am     I was thinking last night that, much as I dislike the J3, they probably should win because they are the only ones in the house who haven't instantly protected only their own self interest when necessary. Even Erika on last nights show screwed Jack to make sure he couldn't save himself, thus imperilling her. Other than those three the only one who has played reflectively and always kept in mind that his group's interest IS his interest. The problems is, he's playing that way by himself. I love Jack. I don't want him to go! |
Justareader | Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 05:51 am     Anyone who doubts what kind of intelligent stand up guy Jack is should read the late night chatter's thread 8/13 around starting around 1:30-2:00 am. I read the lfp's first and then that thread and I was all cheering and stuff for Jack!! I think his partner is dense and holds him back but GO JACK!! |
Spunky | Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 08:26 am     Okay, I changed my mind..... again. JACK DESERVES TO WIN!!!! |
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 08:52 am     I liked Jack's approach, but that is the way I am, so that is the kind of thing I'd like. By taking that approach, Jack takes a chance though. He makes it clear what he intends to do, and even with respect, if someone takes out who they feel is the strongest threat, they still get taken out. So Jack took a chance that Justin would appreciate Jack playing the game against him and want to go one-on-one against him. If nothing else, if Jack goes, he goes without the trashy comments coming later behind his back. Did Jack campaign? You bet! But he did it as Justin does things (at least according to Justin)--on his own terms. I don't know if Jack did this because that is who he is by nature and will play onlt that way (which he seems to have done so far), or if he tried to relate to what might work best with Justin--or if in fact both. (which would make it feel natural while going on) |
Spunky | Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 09:00 am     It was certainly the best approach by Jack and maybe he was trying to make Justin be a better player, telling him to start doubting his opponents instead of believing everything he's promised to. Way to go Jack! Now, he has to win something or else his bravery was all for noth! |
Charvie | Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 10:09 am     I think if Jack wins HOH he should nominate Jee and Robert. It will gaurentee a splinter of the Jee3 because they will just flip that Justin wasn't nominated and he must have made a deal. The 3 would be running around like chikens with their heads cut off trying to figure it all out and selling each other out. And Jack should only say you guys are strong players and this is strategy. Robert being sooo emotional and Jee pretending to be mr. nice guy, the ugliness would show. Than Jack should tell the voters vote which ever way you want. Really sending the house into a tailspin. Now, that would be drama. |
Spunky | Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 10:19 am     Brilliant, Charvie! But why don't we let Erika do that and assure Jack stays for 2 more weeks. Let's reserve a better morsel for Jack... Justin and Jun. |
Charvie | Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 10:24 am     I would love it if Erika does it. But, this would still keep Jack safe. All that would be left is Justin Jun and Alison and either Jee or Robert. Alison is Justin's lap dog and Justin can't stand Jun and probably by that time will despise Jee/Robert and align with Jack and erika. Which would mean... Jack and Erika would still be safe for a few weeks. Remember Justin doesn't like his team, he's stuck with them and I think he'd look at it as Jack will be doing him a favor. |
Spunky | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 08:08 am     Mmm, is Jack becoming too obvious??? I wonder if the "polite" attitude is a forced one for strategic reasons or the guy is really that ....polite. He seems to be praising the others in a way that's too insistent, especially when telling Ali "You've done nothing wrong". He even said that last night Justin was a class act (I guess after Erika won). Anyway, this guy wins hands down compared to the other guys. Hey, notice my post above saying yesterday morning that Erika should do Jack's dirty work this week....and so she will |
Spunky | Friday, August 15, 2003 - 03:45 pm     Am I always the last one on these iconed threads? How long will it take for Jack to realize Ali is already campaigning against him???? He wants her there till the final 4 and she wants him out soon... I'm trying to send him a message  |
Nmbeach | Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 08:53 am     I've just been dumbfounded this week at how "out of the loop" Jack is about everything. The only thing that he has noticed missing is the toilet lid. DUH! The fact that he is a retired FBI agent that used to work on stake outs & surveillances, just answers the question of why he is retired at 58! Even though I'm glad Erika will probably be the one staying, the hg's would definitely have a bigger advantage over Jack in the competitions. |
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