Archive through August 21, 2003
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Archive through August 21, 2003
Volgirl | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 03:39 am     You are so right~that is something I certainly did not intend to do. I should have emphasized the word "Most".... I suppose I try to help out an underdog. |
Gina8642 | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:43 am     Why is Robert being given a free ride by BB in his editing? Right after Dave's eviction I complained that Allison was being given a free ride. BB was letting hop from bed to bed, making out with Dave and never getting called on it. Well, since then BB has attacked Allison with a vengence. So much so, I actually felt bad for Allison when Julie made the second week in a row jab at Allison during Wednesday's (Nate's eviction) show. So, Allie is no longer being giving a free ride, as a matter of fact, BB seems to be insinuating that she slept with Nate, when for all the stuff she has done, she hasn't actually done that deed. So, why isn't Rob getting similarily skewered? We've only seen his very best traits protrayed. His brave struggle to better his parenting of his lovely daughter by getting giving up booze. Crying and white butterflies while thinking of his daughter. Laughter, loyalty, and good times with his Jee3 buddies in the BB house. Where are the misogynistic statements? Where is the shredding of Jun's character. I've seen him refer to women in general as B$tches and Wh$res several times a day. He's incredibly two faced to Jun. Where is this on the TV show?? According to BB and the TV show, it's like it never happened. I deplored Erika's statement about Jee after Jee put her up. But it was exactly ONE statement and it made it to air. Yet, Robert gets to refer to the entire female sex in a extrodinarily derogatory way every day, many times a day and BB acts like it doesn't exist. NOT FAIR!!! |
Mizinvanccouver | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:50 am     Seems that way doesn't it Gina? Wonder why BB is editing that way? |
Kmjm | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:04 am     Very true, Gina, last show they even did a whole sexist segment on the "girls"- the cook, the cleaner/nurturer, the flirt, who all cry to get their own way. I posted about this in the complaint thread the morning after. It totally annoys me that with all his blatant misogyny, Robert is portrayed as some kind of sensitive new age man. It sucks! |
Csnog | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:16 am     Maybe the guy who edits the show for the viewing audience feels the same way towards women. |
Kmjm | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:43 am     Good point Csnog! There are unfortunately a lot of men with attitudes like that around, they're just not usually so blatant about it. That's why I didn't like Roddy last year. Of course, there are no men like that here at the TVCH! |
Gina8642 | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 06:29 pm     Robert got another free pass tonight... Yes, he called Erika a b$tch, but there is a LOT more to Robert hostility toward women than a little resentment among exes. |
Twinkie | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 07:27 pm     I am soooooo sick and tired of Robert repeatedly using the "Cuban" crutch. If he hadn't told us 15,000 times would any of us even know he was Cuban??? He's trying to pull the minority pity party and I for one am not going for it! He's a mysogynist with a daughter and I feel sorry for that child if she hears the way he talks about women. <sd> |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 05:44 pm     Another free pass tonight... Some of the animosity toward Jun was shown, but none of the general misogyny. I guess it wouldn't fit with the whole letter from home story line. They showed Jack not liking Robert, but they didn't show any of the reasons. As far as the TV viewers are concerned Rob is a slightly cocky loyal friend, brave recovering alcoholic, devoted father. No misogyny is shown. No vitriolic rants on women. No rants on Jun being a b$tch. No unfounded rants on Jun cheating. etc... |
Boberg | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 04:22 am     Ok, just a thought here to throw out... Is Robert's seemingly hatred of women all about his past relationship with Erika and his anger over what all she did(the phone call to his work, etc.)and now that they have worked that out between themselves will his anger/hatred of women subside? I ask this because having gone thru a divorce myself, there was a period of time I made some pretty nasty generalized comments about men on a frequent basis. I was extemely angry and felt very betrayed and disillusioned. I felt I would never trust a man again, nor were any of them trustworthy. I say all this because I am wondering was Robert this deeply hurt by Erika and feeling this kind of anger/betrayal which he then generalized across all womankind, and will his feelings of anger/betrayal (now that they have talked this out and made peace, if you missed it on the feeds it was very sincere and touching)now start to slowly fade and the healing begin? In other words, now that things have been seemingly resolved, will Robert's talk of women begin to slowly change and not be so negative? |
Boberg | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 04:26 am     I have hope for Robert because I feel he honestly has some good in him...His total loyalty to J3, his total support of Jee during the anniversary of Jee's fathers death, his seeminglly sincere acceptance of Erika's apology and the positive way he spoke to her then and has treated her since their peace making, his love of his daughter and their white butterfly connection...these things tell me there is some good qualities there. |
Prisonerno6 | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:04 am     Robert was deeply hurt by Erika?!? He's the one that frelling cheated on her, and you don't see her making sweeping comments about men, calling them all pricks or c*cksuckers. You don't see her blaming Jack or any other guy for her not winning a competition. You don't see making alliances with just the girls and planning to oust all the guys. Why do people keep making excuses for this guy? The attitudes he displays towards women are abominable and there is no excuse for that. |
Prisonerno6 | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:06 am     And another thing. Erika makes one possibly racist comment against Jee and she gets ripped a new one, here and in the press. Robert does shows little other than misogny towards women, and he's just misunderstood. Sheesh. |
Boberg | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:20 am     Whoa, chill Prisonerno6. I never said Robert is just misunderstood. Please reread my post, I mostly asked some questions about could this be the reason Rob has spoke so viciously(sp?) about women and will he now mellow? 2nd post pointed out his split personality..his seemingly good traits. |
Costacat | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:40 am     I've said this before, but it bears repeating... every time, EVERY SINGLE TIME, that I start to think Robert may not be as bad as I think, he opens his mouth and spews forth more derogatory or negative comments about women. Every time I start to feel compassion for the man, he ruins it. I was very disheartened to see how BB chose to depict Robert in last night's show. It is very clear, in my opinion, as to who BB wants to win the $500K. I do not like Robert. I never will. Nothing anyone can say, and nothing anything BB will show on TV, will change how I feel about him. All of the above are my opinions. You, of course, are entitled to your own. |
Andysmojo | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:45 am     I agree with you Costa! I was so mad last night when I saw how they were editing the show to make Robert look good. (I had to tell my DH several times during the show, "Thats wrong, this is what really happened" and "As soon as he goes back to the boys he calls her this...) Being a father of a young child doesn't change who this guy "really" is or what he "really" says. During the apology segment last night between Erica and Robert, she apologized for what she had done to him, but I didn't see/hear him apologize to her? (maybe I missed that during my ranting) I really don't understand why BB is doing this. Wouldn't they get better ratings if they showed him accurately? People love to watch controversy. |
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:53 am     He indicated that she hjad every right to be hurt for what he did to her. I think he apologized, although maybe not using an exact word like sorry I thought he made it very clear what he did was wrong and that he felt very badly. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:42 am     Boberg I don't think Robert was deeply hurt by Erika during their relationship or by the break-up of it. He has gleefully stated that he cheated on her many times. No mention by either of any cheating on her part. He's stated that he only liked her to go out dancing with. (IMO - he liked her because she made good eye candy on his arm). This phone call that he is so upset about came well after the break up according to both of them. He has never stated any anger toward Erika in regards to their relationship, although he repeatedly puts her down (she's an awful people person because she's a devoting dog owner, she's awful with children, she's a b$tch and a wh$re because she's a wanna be actor, she's lying and deceiving everyone because she's gonna be 34 this year and yet is telling people she's only 33(yes, he said it), she's not really a pilates instructor, but a bartender, etc...) The only things I've heard about their relationship is that they went out a lot, that she believed in him and told him she loved him. Well after they broke up she called up his employer (who also is the owner where she works?) and talked smack about him. According to him, this employer did not fire him, and took the phone call in stride as a call from an angry ex. So, anyway - I haven't seen anything to support the hypothesis that Robert is the way he is because of his break-up with Erika. If anything, he seems to take the whole relationship pretty lightly, as something that was just a good time to him. Nothing serious. |
Cricket | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 12:03 pm     What's up with Robert deciding this morning that he needs to get Erika out first? Didn't they just make a deal last week? Argggggggghhhhhhh, I wish the voting was today and they would kick his butt out. He is beyond slimy. What a turncoat. He probably had this in the back of his mind all along and was just trying to make sure he was staying. |
C1mag | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 01:33 pm     I'm not at all a Robert fan but it's his call as to who he wants out. He just can't see past her for some reason. |
Realityrita | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 07:12 pm     Ok, this is my take on Robert. First of all, I think the reason Robert doesn't talk about women in a negative way around the female HG is because he needs their vote in the end, why upset them? It doesn't make any sense. He doesn't care how he comes across with his alliance members because they are on the same side and will vote accordingly. Although, I do think Jee is getting kind of sick of listening to Robert rag on Jun. However, if this is not true and he only talks like this around the guys, then isn't that still a disrespectful thing to do? I wouldn't consider this an act either, because it is who he is, whether it's around the guys or not, this is who he chooses to be. I cannot excuse it as “frat boy talk” Robert is 33 years old. Robert obviously has no respect for women. Now it's one thing to be a single person sleeping with a different women every night of the week, but Robert clearly announced that he cannot and has not been faithful to ANY women he has ever been with. His Ex-wife alluded to the fact that his "frat boy womanizing ways" is what split them up. Same scenario applies to Ericka. To cheat on your partner is VERY disrespectful! And the fact that he has done it to every woman he has been with proves that he has a very negative view on the female species he views females as a toy for him to play with. His ex-wife told us the only woman who has his heart is his little girl. I hope one day he realizes his little girl will one day be a woman. Could you imagine if she brought home someone like Robert? Now, I do give Robert credit for overcoming his drug and alcohol habit; but he still needs help in other areas of his life. He is very immature, cocky and arrogant. I can see why A.S. Productions don't show the true Robert on BB, his daughter watches the show imagine how horrible it would be for her to see her father behaving like he usually does. I do wonder why Robert himself hasn't thought that maybe some of his behavior is making the show he must know his daughter is watching. He doesn’t seem to even care, sad. I think when he brags about all the contacts he has, all the friends he has, etc. I think that is fake if anything he has an inferiority complex and this is his way of making himself feel like an important person. But the womanizing---Nope, that's not fake, that's the real Robert, in the end he will be left all alone. And lastly, I think his ex-wife, along with Ericka, are beautiful women. I am actually shocked someone like Robert, who isn't good looking at all, IMO, was able to hook up with those two. Like Ericka said, he is a con man. I cannot stand Robert I sure hope he doesn’t win BB. |
Cricket | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 07:46 pm     C1mag...Robert's call? I thought Jee was HOH. |
Beetwine | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 07:59 pm     What happened to the very interesting thread about robert's ex? |
C1mag | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:00 pm     Is it really Jees hoh Cricket? |
Cricket | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:26 pm     Well, maybe not, C1...which could explain why he took the bribe, lol! |
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