Archive through September 25, 2003
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Archive through September 25, 2003
Lovelynessa | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:44 am     I'm sorry but I have this complaint every year, but this year especially. The jury members were complete poor sports and hypocrites. They all talked bad about each other, they all manipulated, schemed, formed secret alliance etc. Now because they were out smarted and out played and maybe just out lucked they don't even want to clap for the winner. This is a game they lost, get over it! I was especially pissed with Dana's comments about it "just being luck". This is not true. Both Jun and Allison played a SMARTER game than Dana. Yes it was mean at times, yes it was low at times, but in the end it was also smarter. I also could not believe Robert being offended and supposedly hurt because someone talked bad about him or his daughter. While I will be the first to admit that it was way out of line for anyone to make negative comments about a child. Robert seemed to forget the COUNTLESS negative, degrading, very personal things that he said about other people. In fact all of the jury members seemed to forget or blow off the mean and personal things that they said about each other. Erica was sitting on her high horse as if her "Korean piece of shit, just off the boat comment" was ok. Her weak answer- " I just wasn't being myself" does not make it better. Basically at the end of this game I am always disappointed with the completely sour attitudes that the losers show. I hated Allision in the game, but had she won I still would have wanted them to clap for her and give her some congratulations. I wanted the same for Jun. Just my rant for the day. See you next year. |
Woodpecke® | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:46 am     "Ali says she doesn't care about this game anymore. It's over and the cast can lick her a** crack...twice for that matter." Yeah, sure Nessa. |
Watching2 | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:47 am     Bravo!! Bravo!! I agree! Although I can understand Robert being ticked off about anything said about his daughter. I will take 100x more crap from anyone than what they may dish out toward my kids, esp. when they did nothing to deserve it. That being said, the rest most certainly were not innocent of trash talking. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. At least that was what I was always taught! |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:54 am     I agree completely. The jury was a bunch of sore losers and hypocrites. Couldn't anyone clap for Jun? The only people who were complimentary of Jun were Jack, who said she was the smartest player in the house, and Jee, who said she played a flawless game. I can't believe the comments made by Erika and Robert about the trashtalking. Especially Robert. He is the last person who should be talking about talking about others. |
Earthmother | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:56 am     I don't think they all voted the way they did because of bashing..Erika admittedly voted to show Ali that she could also lie to someone's face and not against Jun who bashed her unmercifully. I also don't think Jack or Jee voted for personal reasons. Robert admitted that the person he was voting for was the one he liked the least, but felt she had played a better game. |
Steveh | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:02 am     Yes, the houseguests were presented with a choice between Mother Teresa and Oprah Winfrey and then behaved the way they did. Shame, shame, shame. Ali and Jun ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:06 am     But the reason why they had that choice in the first place was because they got outplayed. All of them should be thanking Nathan for keeping Alison in the game, which led to her alliance with Jun, which helped to keep her in as well. The jury has nobody to blame but themselves for being faced with the choices that they got. |
Gina8642 | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:07 am     I completely agree Lovelynessa - they came off as complete hypocrites. I think CBS sets it up that way, but they fell for it hook, line, and sinker. |
Chippy | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:11 am     Couldn't disagree more. I think it was a very satisfying ending and for once- real. |
Kalekona | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:26 am     I'm with Chippy, their apathy at the win had nothing to do with thenselves losing but rather the vile venom Ali and Jun spouted for 80 some days. I do not once remember any of the HG saying they were innocent of trash talk since they weren't but they didn't take it to the level those two did. Not even Robert, who made most of his comments off the cuff, like a blast of hot air. And had the good sense to apologize for them not once but twice. Ali and Jun when confronted with their trash talking didn't blink, nor did they apologize. All the HG gave the girls credit for getting to the end. And each had possitive things to say about each ones game play.. it wasn't the game that upset them it was the childish bashing that went on the entire time and non stop for the last two weeks. |
Catfat | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:16 am     This was a more honest reaction than seeing all the houseguests hugging and kissing and lying about how much they love the person they just trashed and evicted. I am glad Jun won between the two, but I still think Jack was the nicest person there, even if he did say bad things about Dana, whom I REALLY didn't like. Wait a minute, I didn't like anyone in there this year. Thanks to Survivor, I can go on to a better season of having no life. |
Wendo | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:17 am     I have no problem with the jury expressing displeasure with the final two; I expected it. (Though, in a more adult manner.) However, there are such things as sportsmanship, maturity, and class. And none of them, imo, with the exception of Jack, displayed any after the vote was revealed. |
Maris | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:19 am     Wendo they didnt exhibit class or maturity inside the house, why would you expect it outside the house? |
Kalekona | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:20 am     I think Robert acted with a lot of class last night, by NOT telling ali and jun that their comments about his daughter just proved he was right about everything he called them.... |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:26 am     I don't think I could ever equate Robert with class. I think if he hadn't voted last, he would have said something, but it was irrelevant by the time he voted, so he simply just announced his vote. |
Jarryjayo | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:26 am     I am a strong believer in you get what you deserve in this world and I feel last night's show was a perfect ending. Only people who got hurt was the Internet viewers who paid money to watch the feeds and got nothing at all, that was the only wrong last night. I agree Catfat, I would of kicked in my tv if they all played kissy kissy and said how much they love each other. I think ali showed her best side. No compassion no caring about other peoples feelings. Jun on the other hand she did have her hand in front of her face most of the time. you don't have to be a FBI agent to know what that means, shes upset feels remorse for what she did. At least she knows she was horrable to the other house guests. I really beleave that Ali was thinking she was going to be loved by everyone. I think they both forgot that there other house mates vote who wins. Ya jack was a class act and I agree that I didn't really feel anything for this years Big brother, in fact this was the worst Big Brother yet. But last night's show made up for a lot of wrongs. |
Guinevere | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:27 am     I agree with Wendo - I think that their reaction lacked sportsmanship (and dignity). Juna and Ali may have been the worst trash talkers, but even so, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones (Erika...cough...Erika). As for Robert, every woman he called a b, w or s was someone's daughter. I have zero sympathy for him. I have some for Elena, who one would hope would be shielded from such comments; I do have disdain for Ali and Jun for saying such things in the first place. But Robert is in the glassiest glass house of them all, in that regard. |
Markty | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:30 am     The true hypocrites were actually Ali and Jun in my book. First off they kept patting themselves on the back about how far they made it and how nobody gave them credit and what smarts it takes to get to the final 3, yet at the same time they bashed Robert (who had made it just as far at the time) "Robert is stupid", "Robert is lucky" etc.. etc... Yet if people were not bending over backwards to praise their gameplay then those people "don't understand". And as for the insults,Robert while saying some awful things at least was man enough to admit them to Ali and Jun and apologize for the remarks. What did the girls do?? They took Roberts apology as a reason to get angry with him, meanwhile they had said WORSE things about others and NOT admitted or apologized for the cruel words. Those 2 girls were BIG TIME hypocrites. |
Kalekona | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:33 am     Crazy you really don't know a joke when you see it, even if the little smily face is right there showing it. Guinevere - Robert at least owned up to his behavior and apologized for it more than once. And from his fathers reaction to it, it clearly isn't something that he does on a constant bases. And your whole "they were all someones daughters" argument has always been ridiculious. |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:43 am     Oh sorry Kalekona, with the wide diversity of opinions on this board today about who is worse, Robert or Jun/Ali, I just can't tell anymore who is being serious!  |
Miggles | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:43 am     If given the choice, the jury would have voted 7-0 for none of the above instead of Alison or Jun. I don't think they felt this way because they are fundamentally poor sports or hypocrites. Several hg's stated repeatedly that these two had simply sunk too low, and I think the rest and relaxation in Mexico probably helped most of the jury decompress and feel less bad about the upcoming vote. Even Dana indicated that Robert was far more deserving than the F2. Hopefully next year's BB will have additional twists such as "America has veto this week" or "America noms one of two hg's this week" to keep things stirred up and counter the power of dirty floater tactics. |
Guinevere | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:53 am     Kalekona said: >Robert at least owned up to his behavior and apologized for it more than once. And from his fathers reaction to it, it clearly isn't something that he does on a constant bases.< As I'm sure Jun and Ali will apologize when given the opportunity (and I'm sure they'll be given plenty of opportunities, as they'll be asked about it in chats and interviews). What else can they do? What else could Robert do, for that matter? Will their apologies be sincere? Who knows? Was Robert's? I think he was sorry he said it, but I do think that's how he feels. I believe he hates women. As for his father's reaction, what's the guy supposed to say? "Oh, yeah, I raised Robert to be a raging mysoginist"? Of course he's going to claim that Robert never talks like that. I, for one, don't buy it. >And your whole "they were all someones daughters" argument has always been ridiculious.< Why is it ridiculous? I thought it was apt (obviously, or I wouldn't have said it). I wasn't saying that Robert's comments made Jun's and Ali's okay; just that he himself doesn't really have a right to judge, given his own attitudes. |
Markty | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:00 pm     No, Robert (when he did not have to) admitted and apologized to Jun and Ali about his comments. (I am not talking about apologies AFTER the game) Jun and Ali chose to use his apology as a reason to get mad at Robert. (when Jun and Ali had actually been saying worse things about others) Not only were they not big enough people to admit to their tasteless remarks they got even nastier with Robert who apologized for remarks. Do not confuse future apologies or post game apologies with the one Robert made to the 2 girls directly during the game when he did not have to. |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:03 pm     I don't know, I really don't put all that much stock in his apology. He had just been called out minutes earlier on those remarks by Julie in the HoH room. Then they are all standing on the houses with nothing to talk about, so he starts talking about what Julie said to him. I think if they hadn't been standing on the houses, with what looked to be hours ahead of them, that he wouldn't have said anything. He is a very fidgety person and seems uncomfortable with silence. |
Kalekona | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:05 pm     Guinevere - Robert was put on the spot by Julie and very quickly said he regretted saying it and it was something he needed to continue to work on. He didn't need to leave the house and think about it awhile. Ali and Jun BOTH had the chance last night to apologise for things they said not only did they not do so, they don't see they did anything wrong. Ali even blamed it on the other HG "forgetting it was a game" So you hang onto your Robert hate if you feel the need to but he had more honor than the two winners. And not to worry Crazy.. that's why i put the smily face... |
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