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Archive through September 27, 2003
Lurknomore | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:34 pm     Does Erika owe Jee an apology? Absolutely. What about Jun and Ali to Robert for remarks about his daughter? What about Robert to every female in America for his remarks about women, not to mention the ones he singled out in the house? What about Jun's comments? Those were as bad if not worse. This could go on and on and on. Personally I think Arnie owes all of us that payed to watch this bunch of balcontents a HUGE apology. We suffered through endless racial insults, trash talking, folks thinking they were enduring the worst hell known to mankind by hanging out in a house for 3 months, getting paid for it, and a shot at winning half a mil. They never once tried to entertain themselves or us. (Ok well Dave and Amanda entertained themselves but we won't go there lolol). The winner is now mad that she didn't get all of the votes. 99% wasn't good enough for her. I could go on but you get my point....and those of us with the feeds PAID for this privilege. My biggest regret is not canceling the feeds early on, but I can honestly say I never would have imagined the things these folks would have said or done, and I'm not sure if I didn't hear some of it myself I wouldn't believe it was exaggerated or misheard. BLECH!!!!!!! To all of em! (my usual exclusions to Dave and Jack) |
Lurknomore | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:38 pm     Oh and PS...I think the reason they didn't focus on the Ali/Jun comments was simple...they wanted folks to LIKE the winner not hate both of em. And if you only watched the show Jun seemed relatively ok. I would bet real bux that if other folks were in the finals they would have featured their comments. They way they started showing Robert's comments when it looked like he was out of there, then focused on his adoration of his daughter when he stayed, and back to his comments when he left. It was all manipulation to try to make us like some very IMHO unlikeable folks. |
Gina8642 | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:48 pm     I thought what Erika said was bad. If she was in the final two she wouldn't have gotten my vote, mostly because of it. But she apologized to Jee. I think given the opportunity she'd apologize to Jun. What I wonder, is how on earth is she supposed to apologize to ALL asians? I think this is kinda impossible. I mean, China has over a billion asian people alone. I'd also guess that 99.9% of asians accross the globe are unaware of her insult in the first place. Should she track all of them down and apologize to each one? Call a global press conference? Go on the national news? (wait, make that the international news). These people don't know her and they don't care. I think I'd rather here about the going ons in Iraq or the UN than listening to some woman apologize who the majority of the viewing public doesn't know or care about. I have no idea what the numbers are in the U.S.A, but I'm guessing that asian americans number in the many millions here. Again, the vast majority are probably unaware of the comment. Most aren't immigrants, most aren't Korean. Maybe if they had knowlegde of the insult, they'd be offended on principle - kinda like me. Should she apologize to me too? I'm offended. Nope, it just doesn't seem terribly pratical. Was the remark offensive - yeah. Should she apologize for it - yeah. But she already started the apology by saying something to Jee. I'm sure if she gets the opportunity she'll say something to Jun. But as for everyone else? I'm just not sure how or why she should apologize to ALL asians. I'll presume someone already mentioned the impractibility of the suggestion, but I guess I'm just getting my two cents in... |
Scorpiomoon | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:49 pm     What continually amazes me is how no one seems to really take responsibility for their actions. Yeah, I suppose apologizing was the right thing to do. But I have to wonder, was it done sincerely or to save face on TV--to save oneself from any potential backlash? Rather than Erika swearing up and down that she wasn't being herself, it would have been cool to hear her admit that she does have an evil thought now and then and she was an idiot for verbalizing it. Same goes for the rest. Rather than spending energy defending and denying their behavior, why not own up to the fact that they have issues that need to be looked at? |
Jimmer | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:57 pm     CBS satisfies two objectives. They get some good controversy by going after a person who was basically a pretty all around nice decent contestant and who is not likely to fight back at them by saying something stupid in return. It's easier to go after basically nice people - they're easier targets and they pretty much knew how Erica would react. Secondly it distracts from their really miserable "winners". Erica made one truly stupid ignorant remark in a moment of anger and apologised for it. The list of what Ali and Jun spewed over and over again in regular conversation and did not apologise for is too long to detail. |
Kitty | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 09:23 pm     I really think she said what she said out of a moment of anger. If she really felt that way, you would had heard her say more racial comments. And if she was a racist she would had voted for Ali not Jun. Heck the one week she was HOH who did she nominate? Justin & Robert. But Ali & Jun must have real issues because they were constantly making comments about Robert and his daughter. I wonder if these girls (notice I did not say women), are jealous of a little girl? Most be, why else would they much nasty comments about her. Sorry, but I think CBS is using her for the posterchild for racist comments, and its not fair. Kitty |
Afwife | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 09:32 pm     I only posted a few times on here this season but saw this thread. I fail to understand the uproar against Erica but not the uproar against Jun who was the first person to call Jee the xxxx Korean just off the boat. Erica repeated what Jun had said. It doesn't make it right however, where's the cry for Jun to apologize? I am female, didn't care for Robert's remarks but do not take them to heart personally. Nor do I feel he was attacking me. These are real people on a tv show. I think perhaps those who are so offended demanding an apology may need to wonder if they truely hate Erica for other reasons or have some other things going on where they are brought down in real life because of their heritage and what Erica said was just one more jab??? You just think to yourself, well that person is a jerk and ignore them and move on. If Robert was saying those things about women in front of me,I'd just think he was a jerk and get away. I wouldn't stand there demanding an apology. He makes his own life and I make mine. Same with Erica, why dwell on it? Call her remark ignorant and move on. |
Monalisahi | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 09:36 pm     I wasn't offended by anything said by any of them. None of them owe me anything. |
Murph | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 09:38 pm     This thread has upset me today because I truly believe that Erika has been unfairly painted as a racist. I know there will be people who will think I am Obsessed because I have spent the better part of today reading live feed updates on 7 different BB boards for the week Jee was HOH trying to find Erika's comments. I cannot find them on any of these sites. I know it was said because I saw it on TV but I cannot find them documented. I was amazed reading all those updates and not finding her words. I read her other words and IMO if she was truly a racist she would have repeated racial slurs about Jee during that week. Instead, she said he was a puppet, that Robert was responsible for her going on the block; she did not hold Jee responsible. As a matter of fact, several of the updates commented on how well she seemed to be taking her nomination. When she was talking strategy with any of the other houseguests, she never is reported to make another negative remark about Jee. Those of you who don't give her much credit when she says she was not herself those first few weeks, need to read her words those weeks to comprehend how devastated she was with Robert being in the house and the bashing she was taking. Listening to the live feeds I never heard Erika make other racist remarks not even when Jee put them all on PB&J for the week. IMO, if she was a racist she would have done it that week when she was so angry at him. She has been humiliated on television over and over while Ail and Jun receive a free pass ... she apologized to the person (Jee) who the remark was directed, not to all Koreans. We only saw an edited version of her apology to Jee. From what we know of Big Brother's editing she and Jee may have had a more in depth conversation. If apologies are handed out we need to include, Native Americans, Japanese, Chinese, blacks, homosexuals, small children, dogs, etc. Don't these people deserve an apology? |
Gina8642 | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 09:46 pm     I think her words were not captured on the LFs because they were on FOTH at the time. It occured immediately after nom.s |
Zachsmom | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 09:59 pm     Murph Here is a link to all the show summaries. We have awesome posters here who transcribe what is said, word for word, on the TV shows! (not live feeds) I don't know what week you are looking for, otherwise I'd help you find the comment that you are trying to find! |
Monalisahi | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:35 pm     Gina, I think Murph is talking about Jee's 2nd HOH....the week of the PB veto. Murph is saying that if Erika was racist, she would have made lots of comments that week, and Murph found none. Am I reading correctly? |
Murph | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:58 pm     Thanks for responding. I read all the show summaries; I know it was shown on TV. I also read the live feed updates on 7 different web pages trying to see what she said. If it was said during FOTH then that would be why it is not transcribed on any site under the live feed updates. Since they were probably said during FOTH we don't really know the total conversation, only the part shown on TV. The main point I am trying to make that I think if Erika was a racist she would have made more remarks about Jee during that week and other weeks. Since I cannot find any nor did I ever hear any on the live feeds I believe those words were isolated. I remember Erika talking about a very good friend that was Japanese/Mexican, she dated Hispanic and Latin men, and I thought I heard her describe herself as Eurasian. Does anyone know her heritage? I just don't see her as a full blown racist. Others in the house, yes, but not Erika. Others have also made the point that a racist towards Koreans would not have voted for Jun and I agree. |
Zachsmom | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 11:04 pm     I agree Murph, I don't think she's a racist. I think she made a really really really bad statement and I don't care 'why' she made it (whether it was in anger or frustation). I also don't care if someone else made a 'worse' statement than her. She said something truly awful about a fellow houseguest. It was a bad comment and she has apologized to the person who it was aimed against. He's accepted the apology and forgiven her and that is what matters. |
Bohawkins | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 11:25 pm     Although it isn't wrong to call a Korean a Korean, there is a problem when someone uses a racial (or ethnic) term in conjunction with a truly derogatory reference. So if Erika had just called Jee a piece of crap that would not have ever been considered as inappropriate. The problem is that there was no need to define him in terms of his race or country of origin in that discussion. It is the adding of the unnecessary delimiter of "Korean" that makes the combination cross over into racism. The same distinction could be demonstrated in the opposite sense when describing a desirable or loving quality or a person where the descriptive term is couched in the framework of their ethnicity, such as "her beautiful Irish eyes," or someone refers to "his brilliant Irish wit." These show a love and respect for the Irish people and the culture. It turns into a slur with someone is called an Irish bore or a drunken Irishman. I can tell when Americans love Ireland and Irish people and I can tell when I am around Americans (or Englishmen) who hate them. It's the tone and words used in conjunction with references to the Irish or Irishmen that makes the difference. I am amused by those who would try to separate the two terms Korean and "piece of sh*t." They are quite preposterously asking anyone to pretend that no racial or ethnic inference was intended. If any person is ever in line or deserves to be insulted or attacked verbally, any descriptive trait about their character or intelligence or discipline or preparedness is appropriate, especially if it is true. However, the moment a person's race, creed, color or country of national origin is coupled with an insult (unless you can at the time make a very strong concurrent evidentiary case that something in their heritage or culture is the cause of such a failing) then you have commited a slur. Erika's single act is not something warranting punishment or sanction, however, my guess is that anyone for whom such a comment would roll readily off the tongue would know that area as familiar territory. I would venture we understand a lot more about Erika than she would have us believe and that her half hearted apology was not very sincere. |
Lurknomore | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 11:30 pm     Call me cynical but having a host of a national TV show call you out for a remark and ask if you want to apologize...then do it on same live TV show...and have the person accept...well not sure this has that ring of sincerity a true and sincere apology should to me. What could she have said to Julie? NO I really believe that? I meant every last prejudiced word of it? And what could Jee say? You are a big fat hairy liar, and I'm not accepting your made for TV apology? And here's a question for thought ZMom. Does a person who is not a racist have thoughts like that, let alone vocalize them? I have cussed out a lot of folks in my life (a lot recently even). I have said and thought 4 letter words and not pleasant things, but not ONCE did the thought enter my mind to attack someones heritage. I cursed their deeds and their character--or lack thereof. So what kind of person THINKS to berate heritage if some prejudice doesn't exist. I'm just not sure I see that. |
Monalisahi | Friday, September 26, 2003 - 11:57 pm     What if Jee would have then said, "you are a sick woman".....is that an insult to all women? Murph, here were the circumstances. Jee nominated Michelle and Erika and basically said Michelle was a pawn and Erika was nominated because she made the whole house uncomfortable. Erika went outside and said those comments. |
Penpoint | Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 12:03 am     "Erika needs to apologize to all Asians!" I assume that's because she made a negative remark about a man who was born in Korea. In recent months many people in the public eye made negative remarks about the French. So following the logic of the title of this thread, those people who made negative remarks about the French need to apologize to all Europeans. And for some illogical reason, some folks think that Erika's remarks were racist instead of nationalistic. So following that logic, those who made negative remarks about the French need to apologize to all caucasians. Of course, things get a bit muddy at this point because there are many non-caucasian people who are French or European--so do they need to apologize to them or are they excluded because they are not caucasian and, therefore, don't fall into the racial category of an anti-French remark? And then if we mix in the HG's comments about Cubans, which some folks also illogically consider to be racist, we are in deep trouble. Cuba, like other so-called Hispanic or Latin countries, is made up of different races. There are white Cubans, whose lineage is primarily from Spain, and there are black Cubans, whose lineage is primarily from Africa, and there are mixed-race Cubans. Oh my goodness, I hope no one on Big Brother said anything bad about Peruvians. There are many people in Peru--traditionally thought of as an Hispanic country--who can trace their ancestors back to Japan. So there are Asian-Peruvians. I guess Erika will have to apologize to them too! Well, this is enough to make a buzzard's crotch itch! |
Charvie | Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 12:57 am     It appears to me that it is easier to attack and badger Erika about her comment than to confront and deal with the real and disturbing underlying issues of the commments made by Alison, Jun and Robert. Dana, Alison, Jun, Jee, Michelle and even Amanda developed a immediate and unnatural hatred of Erika almost immediately. That is what I find disturbing. Why? Her comment was bad. I make no excuses for it. But why the almost obssessive disdain for it? Especially when it was an isolated incident? Why is this a greater issue than the other comments made frequently and often? What I find disturbing about this years Big Brother is that we had a group of people who behaved in a very unhealthy and disturbing way. And yet it is Erika that seems to be the one that some want to hold accountable for all the ills of the world. So is there something absolutely horrible about Erika that I missed? Or is this more of an over reaction like the others in the house to the existence of Erika? |
Tide | Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 01:24 am     Here's what I think. When you're mad at someone, and you want to release some anger, you PERSONALIZE the invective you use. You find something that characterizes your nemesis and add it to an epithet. For instance, you might say: That bald piece of sh*t or That fat piece of sh*t Have you insulted all bald people? Are you prejudiced against plumpies? Probably not. You're mad at one person who just happens to be bald, fat, or Korean. It's an adjective. We all use them to identify others. No big deal. |
Tide | Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 02:45 am     Just to add a few more: That poetry-writing piece of sh*t That salsa-dancing piece of sh*t That blonde piece of sh*t That pageant-winning piece of sh*t That frat-boy piece of sh*t That soprano piece of sh*t |
Ddr1135 | Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 03:30 am     I agree Meggieprice, it Erika were truly a racist, she would not have voted for Jun to win. I also agree she made that comment only because Jee had just humiliated her at the nomination ceremony. BTW, why was Jee allowed on the show, when Jun said many, many times on the live feed that he is not a US Citizen? Don't the eligibility rules say you have to be a US Citizen? |
Markty | Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 03:36 am     Ericas comments were made in anger and frustration not just at Jee nominating her but at the hurtful things Jee said during the nomination ceremony in front of everyone. From watching Erikas behavior then and later in the show I believe when she said she was a "different person" the first 2 weeks in the house. Does it excuse the comments? NO. But does it shed a bit more light on why she said them? Yes. Clearly the words were said based on emotion not racism. And it was an isolated incident unlike Jun and Ali's constant trashing of others. |
Cousin_Jake | Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 03:39 am     I agree - and what about all the trashing of Nate as a dumb "Okie"? Or Justin mocking Jee's accent? All unacceptable as was Erica's comment. I wish they had all been called out. |
Chippy | Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 07:29 am     I agree with Tide. Plus, I loved reading all those pieces of sh*t! LOL |
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