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Almatad

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The article below was taken from: http://www.elitestv.com/NewsPub/2003/Sep/ETV3f6c5a14a4bfb.html

It pretty much describes how I feel about Big Brother 4. It is unfortunate that Arnold Shapiro felt that a handful of Danielles, manipulation of the competitions and censor of the live feeds was what was needed to take this summer's installment of BB over the top.

Disgust, Disappointment, Disinterest

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Please read the article at the link above.

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Woodpecke®

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 09:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've seen better articles written in this forum. Too many words to express his opinion. Long winded blowhard. Ha!

Seamonkey

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I bet he is perfect :)

Carolshelly

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 10:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
well.. like I said in another thread, the cast wasn't so hot this year but the boards & opinions of others was just as fun as always and.. theres always next year

Seamonkey

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Very true, Carolshelly.. and plenty more to share on this board in the meantime.

Woodpecke®

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 10:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He must be perfect. "This is all just potato chip TV anyway. Not to be taken seriously." This statement is true. Then he says: "The jury will not even have the opportunity to address these two classless, crude, braying wastes of oxygen on the many despicable, below-the-belt lies, insults and insinuations which they have reveled in all these months." I'd say he takes it very seriously. He shows no humor whatsoever. I was also thinking something else. If I wrote something like this, I'd spice it up with entertaining phrases and colorful comparisons. Guess what would happen if I wrote an article like this in the TVCH forum? You know the answer. It gave me an idea, however. All future postings by me will be originating from "Woodpecke®'s Expert Reality T.V. Playground". That way I can get around that pesky rule about never slamming the houseguests. Ha!

Almatad

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jeez Louise.....I posted this article as an extension of my opinion of why I lost interest in BB this year. This writer, yes a little on the winded side, expressed what I felt was a total manipulation of many of the outcomes and flow of the show by the producers.

I became hooked on Big Brother from the beginning and mostly because of TVCH. The Live Feed updates enabled me see exactly what was going on in the house. I also enjoyed the discussion from all the TVCH members. Big Brother II and III was different from Big Brother 1, but at least I felt what was going on was not "staged" or manipulated to create the desired outcome of the producers.

This aspect along with the general disgust and dislike everyone had for everyone, just made me sad for BBs’ gone by. I wanted to enjoy the interplay of people finding out about each other, warts and all. I found that I became more and more disgusted and disappointed in how the show was being produced. The houseguests were just being themselves....so I do not blame them. This was suppose to be entertainment, somewhere along the line I think the producers lost what was entertaining, may be next year it will be different....I can only hope.

And, just for the record, the only reason I continued to watch BB this year, was because of TVCH.

Just my opinion.

Woodpecke®

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And I respect that opinion.

Eeyoreslament

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Almatad, I'm glad you posted the article. While it did not SUCCINCTLY sum up our feelings, I still agree with most of it.

Personally, when I think of my feelings about this season, I have trouble finding only one or two words to describe them. This guy used them all, and I could add more.

I can only hope that next season is better, and AS learns from his mistakes. Like the writer said, it's too bad this was such a highly rated season.

Thanks again for posting the article. It's AMAZING that people feel unwelcome here, with those initial reactions to your post.

Woodpecker and seamonkey, I'd have expected better from you guys, as I have seen the brilliant posts you are both capable of. This was someone's opinion and you can't say you were welcoming of it. No wonder people think there's a clique at TVCH. No wonder....

Monalisahi

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that saying the other shows, such as TAR, etc. are trying to show complexity and diversity while BB4 fails is really unfair. We have no clue what is going on with those other shows. There is probably just as much talk there too, live feeds aren't available. Since we have live feeds to BB4, they can't get away with painting a COMPLETELY different picture as these other shows can, although, I think they could have been more fair in the editing room.

Woodpecke®

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I certainly was welcoming of it. I expect more from you than to be lecturing me on anything. My comments were about the article, not about the poster. I stand by my comments. And despite your protestations, there still isn't a clique. Pass the bellinis.

Almatad

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 11:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eeyoreslament, Thank you!

Seamonkey

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eeyore, sounds like you agree with the article.

I don't. I hope that's ok. I didn't go into a long rant about it, just stated my agreement with Woodpecker, perhaps too concisely.

I appreciate having the article to read, but I certainly hope I am not required to just join in on the rant. We aren't discussing child molesters or serial killers here.

I was expressing my feeling. I'm not sure why that should disappoint you.

Almatad, I certainly am not confusing you with the poster.

I posted one of Jun's interviews here and there was a great outpouring of mostly snide remarks and not once did I think I should take it personally, or that I had a right to be disappointed or not.. whatever.

Seanflynn2003

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Almatad, your opinions are welcome and as worthy as anyone's.
However your statement about "the general disgust and dislike everyone had for everyone" is factually incorrect, whether it applies to BB posters or the HGs themselves. I for one had people I did not care for, and there were things that all the HGs did that I did not like, but please do not include me in your sweeping statement. It is not true.
Next year's BB will likely be similar and the reactions here will be the same. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

Trisha1

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 01:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Almatad, I too am glad you posted that article. Much of it sums up my thoughts on this years BB. Whilst I enjoy reading the posts of the TVCH members, the actual show was for the most part one of the most disgusting offerings shown on TV.
I have been a watcher and poster for the past three BB's but with this group--not much interest. As for the two "winners" they're something else!

Woodpecke®

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What we have here is a failure to communicate. Neither Seamonkey nor I were commenting on the individual who posted the link. "Woodpecker and Seamonkey, I'd have expected better from you guys" is a phrase designed to elicit a negative response. I even said I respected the poster immediately after posting the message in an attempt to clarify myself. The constant and tiresome rant about cliques in this forum is completely unsubstantiated. Many of us bend over backwards to help new posters, and the "no wonder" statement was made to factualize your personal assumption. I'm sorry if you didn't understand my original message, but I certainly wasn't trying to degrade the messenger.

Magicjet

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I did not agree ith the article for the simple fact that the author seemed to think something was done to him personaly by Arnold S. Earth to author, go jogging, read a book, talk to your kids, don't watch BB if it so offends your high moral standards, sheesh! Arnold, you have a highly rated show, don't change a thing.

Puzzled

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If there are any cliques around here, I haven't found them.

Naturally, the people who post a lot will get to know each other, refer to jokes or whatnot in other threads, and stuff like that--but they don't i{exclude}others.

I haven't been on a forum yet where someone hasn't moaned about a clique.

The dreaded phantom-clique syndrome.

Bastable

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"two classless, crude, braying wastes of oxygen"

Man, this guy would get modded in a second over in News & Views!

Woodpecke®

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But yet I wonder....

Beruthiel

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 04:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd love to read the article, but the link doesn't work for me! I just get a blank page and the addy on the blank page seems to be a Bomis one???

Steveh

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 04:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Beruthiel - same thing happened to me. You have to type the entire address in your address box & it'll take you to the story. BTW, I read that article last week somewhere on this site.

Chippy

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 04:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I read it before as well. Can't say as I disagree with some of it.

Sorry, Wood, but there are these same behaviors on every UBB I've ever frequented. You can't just discount what many new posters are pointing out. It just is. It doesn't bother me, I don't feel ignored because of it, and I don't have a solution because I don't see it as a problem. But, forum cliques (or whatever you want to call it) do exist - even here although, I've seen them at much greater degrees elsewhere. (sorry, off topic!)

Hukdonreality

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 04:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I figured that it is time I gave up my virgin (lurker) status and say hello to everyone. Why I chose to do it under this topic is because I have seen this season (ad nauseum) postings referring to a supposed clique of "preferred posters." I read WOODPECKE®’s and Seamonkey's comments about the original posting (NOT the poster) as very non-threatening. It just seems to me that far too many times over the course of this BB season that this issue is brought up. Maybe people are either not reading the responses carefully enough or perhaps they already have their minds up that there are preferred posters and they may just be sensitive to any response by those whom they think are in this "clique."

I think that if you post, you should expect a response of some sort. If you aren't willing to allow others to speak their minds in return unless they agree fully with you, then don't post at all.

BTW, Wood, your posts almost always bring a smile to my face. (Although I don't have an "it," I am touching "there" right now! hee hee)

Woodpecke®

Monday, September 29, 2003 - 04:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I said something, but after reading the post below me, I decided to shut my silly mouth and mod myself.