Disgust, Disappointment, Disinterest
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Puzzled | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 06:52 am     Everyone should join Hudkon's clique, but please send the cheques to me. 7. petition for T*t to be taken off the forbidden list. |
Badabing | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 07:38 am     One would have to be blind not see that there are cliques here, and i for one am against cliques and have decided to do something about it! Therefore i'm starting an anti-clique clique of wich i'm proclaiming myself president. Join one, join all the anti-clique clique, the clique of all cliques. Wait a minute: if you all join the anti-clique clique, then there will be no clique by definition since every one will be in the same clique...bummer. I hereby resign as president of the anti-clique clique. Carry on! |
Snee | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 07:56 am     clique, schmique. i want to be wherever the bellinis are. |
Badabing | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 07:59 am     Snee, would the be the bellini clique? hehehe |
Almatad | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 08:11 am     Good Morning! Just to clarify, yes I was a little taken aback by WoodPecke® and Seamonkey's comments to my post. In retrospect, I realize now, I posted an article that was bound to get a reaction. The article for the most part did express mostly how I felt about this season of BB. That’s is why I took it a tad personally, because I agreed with the article and WoodPecke® and Seamonkey did not, which is their right. I stand by my comments regarding this season’s BB, but at the same time I realize others have a different view and that is fine, otherwise this forum would not be as enjoyable as it is. In my future rare postings, if I feel the need to post an article to express my view/opinion, I will just post the link and allow my own written opinion to stand on its own to be attacked or agreed with. That way I’ll know for sure whether I should take it personally or not. This forum has been an integral part of my enjoyment of BB and I intend to come back next summer to do it all again. Thanks to all  |
Maris | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 08:16 am     Disgusted? No. Disappointed? most certainly and disinterested? yes. For the first time I didnt watch the last two weeks except for the final show and I stopped watching the feeds in early August. The X factor was just a very bad idea and set the stage for the downhill trend of the show. Also allowing a group of houseguests to enter the house before others set a bad pace to the show. It is not surprising that the two finalists were members of the first group to enter the house. The other thing was the way the competitions were set up. There was no doubt that some competitions were beneficial to certain houseguests (spinning chair for example) and while it is true that we have seen evidence of this tweaking of competitions, I havent seen it to the extent we saw it this year. Then you had the diary room interferences. We have always speculated about whether Big Brother was nudging things along (remember the Chiara Amy fight last year?) but this year we had confirmation from Alison, Jun and others that the diary room staff were making suggestions of what they should say when they came out of the diary room. I can clearly remember once incidence where Alison said that the diary room wanted her to do something and she refused. Both the X factor and the excessive interference by the producers only guaranteed that it would be a dull show. If they had just picked 12 hamsters and left them alone, we probably would have been much more entertained and seen a lot more drama. So my advice to Arnold for next year is to just step back a bit and have a little confidence that you dont need to interfere too much. |
Woodpecke® | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 08:27 am     To clarify, I agreed with many of the points he expressed, but I felt he was far too harsh and hypocritical. We have better writers in this forum. My main bone of contention was the bashing he used was being allowed on the board because the article came from another site. It has since been removed. |
Seanflynn2003 | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 08:46 am     A couple points Maris -- Every competition likely benefits one or another HG. As has been pointed out before, most of these take preplanning and set up time, and I for one do not believe that the producers set things up at the last minute to benefit one HG over another. And there were plenty of times this year when it would have made sense if BB were favoring one HG for them to have made sure the results were different from what they were. Also, the cases of the contests helping one particular HG was no more evident this year than last. As far as the DR people suggesitng comments and hoping to create controversy, that was no different this year than last. They always do this. Maybe this year's HGs responded more to the suggestions, but there is no evidence of more influence this year. I agree about the Ex factor being a negative, but for a different reason. BB should have mainly as HGs people who want to be there. Most of the Exes on the show were just bad players who did not have their heart in the game. |
Maris | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 09:03 am     Perhaps the HGs discussed the DR intervention more this year. Whether there was more influence or less, who knows. There was too much.. I never said they set competitions up at the last minute. I said competitions were more favorable to some rather than others. I dont think it takes too much to figure out that a dancer and ice skater may have a better chance at winning a competition spinning in a chair. I dont really care why the ex factor was a negative, it was a bad idea and that was enough for me. These factors contributed to what was a boring season for me and caused me to become disinterested in the show. Everyone has their own views of BB, I agreed with the article that I was disinterested and disappointed. I wasnt disgusted because I didnt really care that much. |
Bbwannab | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 09:05 am     Ok..Ok..Ok..you guys, I think it's time to go outside and play!! I think a few tempers are getting a bit ruffled. You all need to kiss and hug and be nice. Hey, I know~~~lets go outside and play duck ball? Does that sound like fun?? I pick the pink ducks. |
Woodpecke® | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 09:19 am     The Ex-factor was stupid. It should have been ALL ex's or no ex's at all. Weird. |
Maris | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 09:39 am     Agreed Woodpecker. Next year, Houseguests and their mothers. |
Beruthiel | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 10:02 am     BELLINIS!!!  |
Almatad | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 01:19 pm     WoodPecke® you bring up an issue I have had a question about for awhile. What is TVCH policy on posting articles from other sites? I have done it at least two other occasions with no problem. Your reasons for not allowing this article are 1) TVCH has far better writers, and 2) the bashing of the houseguests within the article. I am certainly not going to dispute that there are better writers on this site, but I certainly have seen as bad or worst bashing of houseguests from posts within TVCH. My reason for posting the article was because; I felt the gist of the article best encapsulated what I felt about this season of BB. I personally, like that articles are posted to the site. While reading a thread, I sometimes go back to the article a few times to clarify what was written. It just convenient to have the article posted within the thread. So…….Moderator(s), What is the policy of having articles posted from other sites to this one? |
Tobor7 | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 01:51 pm     Yeah, Alma... I do not see the difference of posting the article or posting the link. The net effect is the same... you read the article. So? One makes it easier to read it and refer to it, and the other is a hassle (even more so if you have dial up) plus it adds more traffic to the internet. What is the big deal here? If the net effect is the same, then what is the difference? Isn't it just another example of what the definition of "is" is? Another ineffectual rule that is nothing more than a hassle, the intent of which is not clearly understood, and not enforced in all instances. If you give credit to the original author and not try to pass the info off as your own, then where is the damage? Who has been injured? A clarification of this issue would be interesting. |
Woodpecke® | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 03:16 pm     Also, you have never seen language like that by a poster in this forum. If you have, it was gone as quickly as it took the moderator to find it. That article was vicious, but I did agree with his premise. |
Bastable | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 03:31 pm     There is a policy about Editorials over in the News & Views section that you can find here: ../1071053/1087238.html?1064605275 Perhaps it will give you an idea of what the Mods are thinking when it comes to negatively worded essays from the Outside World. |
Woodpecke® | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 03:38 pm     LOL @ Maris! I missed that one the first time. Too funny. |
Woodpecke® | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 03:39 pm     "Mom, I'm putting your a** up for eviction." |
Maris | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 03:51 pm     The possibilities are just endless. You get your Demi Moore aka Tonya type, running around after the young eye candy while her daughter the 2004 Michele tries to evict her for her own good.. |
Chippy | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 04:04 pm     I think a Parent/Child BB would be incredible. Not only would you have to play the game with all that involves, you'd have to watch your step while you did it. LMAO. I'd love to watch that. |
Moderator | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 05:03 pm     In response to Almatad & Tobor7's request for clarification: The article content was removed and a link provided consistent with other areas of the board where we ask that a link and headline be provided except in cases where the site is difficult to access, which this one is not. Additionally, as several others have already pointed out in this thread, prior to removing the text, the content was repeatedly in violation of our guidelines for posting here. Since the site quoted is not considered a national 'news' site, the content is considered to be comparable to any posts we have on this site. In that context, this article was not acceptable. Of course we don't always catch everything, especially during the height of the Big Brother season. As the season has ended and we are catching up, this was found and handled in accordance with our standard procedure. Mod hd |
Costacat | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 05:08 pm     Just remember, *if* there is a bellini clique, I am the goddess of that clique!! <snicker> FWIW, although I think the original article kind of beat a dead horse, it still pretty much sums up my feelings. I lost interest in BB about 3 weeks before the end. The last week, I didn't even bother to find out what was going on. I missed most of the shows during the last 3 weeks, and didn't really feel like I missed anything at all. Yes, I was seriously disappointed with this season. Yes, I wonder if I will watch the next iteration of this show. And yes, the inherently optimistic fool in me hopes that next season will at least do something to captivate me. (Although, the pessimist in me is saying "oh crud, Arnie Shapiro sees that his show was #1 -- or whatever -- and is going to continue along this same vein.) And on that note, this Bellini Goddess designates today as Super Dooper Bellini Day! Which means that EVERYONE gets an extra large pitcher!!! |
Woodpecke® | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 06:06 pm     I helped explain that situation about the article so well, I'm sure I'll be recurited for duty in the future as an esteemed moderator. Ha! |
Cangaroo | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 06:13 pm     Wood wants to start a moderator clique looks like. Question is....Are the moderators ready for Wood? |
Moderator | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 06:44 pm     Quote:Are the moderators ready for Wood?
Canga, perhaps you ought to rephrase that question! ModK  |
Halfunit | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 06:59 pm      |
Cangaroo | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 07:01 pm     My OOPS!!! LOLOLOLOLOL |
Miss_Wings | Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 07:04 pm     Quick Costacat! More bellinis for everyone! |
Spunky | Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 08:26 am     Oh that article has been around for a long time now, I read it at Joker's site. I found that it mirrored the feelings of so many others at that time and mine as well. I liked it and I hope it has caught the attention of some BB4 players. |
Caycaye | Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 10:20 pm     Almatad...I was sooo glad to read the article at your link. It summed up my feelings toward BB4 pretty well....I am also glad that others felt the same way. Maybe if enough of us post our opinion of the stupid mistakes BB4 made this year, Arnold Shapiro will listen. I really LOVE BB and I CANCELLED my feed in August. I can't believe I did that...but I honestly couldn't listen to Ali's voice another minute! By the way...One of the few times I posted my opinion very strongly was when I had had enough of Ali's vicious mouth, and Jun's, and I said that I really felt like Ali was enjoying hurting people and that I thought Ali was evil......BOY did I get HARPED on for that, by the Ali supporters here. How I was going "too far"..and that "EVIL" was SUCH a harsh word!! blah blah blah..and to THINK that at the END...Ali and Jun were calling THEMSELVES EVIL BI+CHES! LOL |
Eeyoreslament | Friday, October 03, 2003 - 10:54 am     OK folks, I've been offlne because it was moving week and I hadn't started packing til the night before. (ugh) Woodpecker....I was writing my nasty post to you and Seamonkey (I think) while you were writing back to the original poster clarifying your response and making sure nobody was offended....so I missed that. My response was based on Almatad's response to your responses (I feel like Chrissy Snow). I felt bad for Almatad that he/she felt scorned for the article, which he/she said was also their opinion too. I've read a lot of GREAT posts from Woodpecker and Seamonkey, and my comment that I would have expected better from you was to the effect that your responses aren't usually single sentence insults of the article or of the poster's opinion(which they had said was summed up in the article). You two usually have clever, well-thought-out longer responses logically picking apart topics, and peppered with a bit of humour too. I guess my response was an extremely backhanded compliment and wasn't meant to elicit such a negative response from you two. It was more to make you think about what you said and how it could have been taken offensively, which it was (until clarified). But, I get back to the fact that my response was being typed out BEFORE seeing that you had clarified what you meant, and so my post would have been unnecessary had I logged in a minute later and seen your further responses. As for the clique topic, I've said my peace on the "did you feel ignored" thread. I just think some of us respond differently to people we DON'T know on the board, as opposed to people we DO know. I don't necessarily think the clique is a CONTRIVED entity, but the fact that many people perceive its existence should not be ignored. Maybe we just need to try to see what it is we do that makes them THINK there is a clique, when many agree there isn't. Once again, in the other thread, I've said how I think those feeling could be eliminated. I won't re-post them. Coming back after 4 days makes it hard to respond to everyone on the thread. I know I had more to say....but I forget now. But apologies for making my first post of this thread seem more mean than it was meant. I guess I am guilty of the same thing I accused you two of. Apologies all around. |
Bronxie | Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 04:38 pm     Now that there is enough distance from BB I find myself thinking more kindly of certain HGs and some of their supporters on this site. As much as the show brought me to a boiling point on a regular basis...I now realize the entertainment value of it was not to be ignored. I now search constantly for a show of equal vitality and "can't wait for the next episode" feeling. Sure, Survivor will fill the bill eventually, but right now they're still all strangers to me. BB is really a great idea....and oh, how we all love to disagree with it, the HGs, and each other. |
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