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Twiggyish

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 05:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OI, throwing chairs is violent behavior. It is not normal. I think it shows he is not able to control his temper.

Kappy

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 05:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Saphyre, thanks for your info on hpv and the different strains. There was an article in the paper recently about 85% of the population having one of the strains but of course most articles about it only focus on the one. If you have ever known anyone who has had to deal with cervical cancer, and at the same time deal with the type of hysterics that were witnessed last night, it's really disturbing to say the least. While the one strand of hpv certainly raises the risks of developing cervical cancer, and young women need to know that, it is not the one and only thing that causes it in 100% of cases. And anyone who thinks otherwise can go to a gynecological oncologist and ask them.

Yes, BB was right to have Scott removed, voluntarily or not. It's obvious that there will always be someone who literally cannot be confined with an ex. But I still have sympathy for him. And for Amanda espcially because of how she will be treated now by Alison & crew. And honestly, I hadn't thought Alison could make me anymore sick then she already had but I was wrong. If I lose interest in this show, it's going to be out of disgust for her & her crew. They are NOT even fun to hate. After last night, I find them too disturbing for that.

Bastable

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 05:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Let's get something clear. Scott was not removed because he had HPV. He was removed because he was emotionally volatile.

I'm sure there must have been reality-show constestants in the past that have had more dangerous infections than just HPV. After all, they're just people! And to keep someone out of the game because she's, say, HIV-positive would be scientifically irresponsible, to say nothing of inhumane.

I don't think the health checkups are very thorough to begin with. Remember dear Sheryl from BB2--she discovered she had breast cancer just days/weeks after getting out of the house. Had the pre-show physicals been thorough at all, it would have been caught by the doctors then, because it was certainly present. Sheryl has even said that if she had lasted the duration of the game instead of being the first (unfairly, at the time) voted out, she might not have been able to recover. So I really don't think the producers delve too deeply into the HG's health.

They should have to check for communicable diseases (like TB), but HPV or even HIV would be irrelevant. (Now, on "Survivor," I'd do a blood test if I were a producer since people are bleeding left and right on that show.)

Katlady53

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 06:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bastable, how did Sheryl discover her breast cancer? By self-exam or mammogram?

Trubycat

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 06:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They do test for HIV and ask the contestants if they have or have had any STDs. Allison confirmed the HIV tests last night on the feeds.

Maris

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree he was kicked out because of his behavior and more importantly for ignoring the diary room summons.

I do however, think the HGs should know if a HG has HIV, they dont need to know who it is. If I was in the house and someone stepped on a piece of glass I probably would not take precautions in cleaning someones cut and administering first aid. If however, I knew that there was someone in the house with HIV, I would put on a pair of protective gloves before I cleaned out that glass cut. It would be irresponsible for BB not to reveal something like HIV.

Where I think BB was wrong is if they knew he had an incurable but manageable STD, to have him in the house as part of the whole X factor. There is just something to me about the violation of the other HGs privacy in terms of their control over revaling potential medical problems.

Let's say in BB5 they go with the X factor again and they have someone come into the house who has HIV. They invite this persons X into the house. Now the original person is openly living with his/her HIV status, and has support at home so it would not be a catastrophic event for him/her to reveal their status. The exhowever, may or may not be HIV positive, may or may not have contracted HIV from this partner and absolutely would not want the world to know about their prior relationship with an HIV inficted person for whatever their reason. Is it fair to that person to bring them into the house without them having any idea of what they are walking into.

I think the ex factor is important in this whole equation in terms of how irresponsible Shapiro was to let this situation develop.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually in Real World San Francisco, they did have a member of the household who had AIDS (his name was Pedro Zamora)....and they did not inform the other members of the house aobut it. They left that up to Pedro. The options he had were to tell them or to keep it private... the option he took was to inform the others and educate them, and he did.

As far as HIV or HPV status, it has been pointed out that the statistics favor the idea that maybe 3 more people in the house *already* have HPV. Disclosing that (or HIV) would simply inflame uninformed fears, such as those that Alison displayed by hysterically cleaning the toilet in the middle of her sobbing breakdown, all fueled by gear that has no basis in fact.

Everyone should *always* use rubber gloves when dealing with someone else's wounds. To assume that someone is safe and that you don't need rubber gloves is no different than assuming a sexual partner is safe and not using a condom.

Maris

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
maybe Sanfran, but a lot of people dont think of using rubber gloves. I remember last year in fact someone was cut and I one of the HGs went to help them clean it up, it was Marcellas that reminded them to not treat the other persons wound. It didnt occur to the other HGs. What everyone should do and what they actually do are two different things. I would want to know, but that is just me.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh yeah...I should have added (to stay on topic)....I do think that Scott should have been booted. He demonstrated that his anger is not something that he can control....if I was in the house with a person that might lash out and start throwing chairs around, right out of the blue like that, I would not feel safe either.

"Out of control" is just that, something that cannot be controlled. Why believe Scott when he says that he will control his violent behavior in the future, if he only exhibits that violent behavior because he *cannot* control it? And if he *can* control it, who wants to live with a guy that *chooses* to lash out and start throwing chairs around?

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"What everyone should do and what they actually do are two different things. I would want to know, but that is just me. "

Very true.....but is it best to cater to ignorance than to educate them to the correct alternative? Marcellas was right. And anyone that knows to use a condom should know that rubber gloves are needed when dealing with a bloody wound.

I would hope that BB has made that point known. We know they already supply condoms.

In any case, laying a person's entire medical history open to strangers who are under 24/7 live feeds on the internet is more destructive to that person's life than it is safety issue for the people who should know better than to handle someone else's blood unprotected anyhow.

Case in point....it is not very likely that Scott has infected 12 innocent strangers with HPV, yet it IS very likely that this revelation on the internet will follow him around and affect his life (dating, employment, general acceptance) for years and years to come.

Maris

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Which is exactly my point that they never should have had him in the house as part of that whole X fiasco. That revelation will follow him around and also follow Amanda around as well. It was his choice to reveal it to the world, she had no say in it at all.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
" That revelation will follow him around and also follow Amanda around as well. It was his choice to reveal it to the world, she had no say in it at all. "

Right, I agree with you. Scott made a big mistake in revealing that under 24/7 cameras. His lack of control has cost both him and Amanda.

I was making a point against the idea that the HG should be told *anything* about other HGs health issues. They *should* be informed about how to deal with an open wound, but telling them that there is an unnamed carrier of HIV or HPV, etc...is simply instigating a witch hunt. They should (as we all should) behave as if *everyone* has HIV or HPV or whatever....until proven otherwise. Of course, considering the number of married people that contract these diseases from their spouses, even being "proven otherwise" is not always so reliable either.

Ocean_Islands

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think we are overestimating how many people are watching this show ... and how many will be informed of Scott's condition. I don't think it is going to 'haunt him for years'.

Maris

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 08:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Want to take bets on what poor Amanda's visit to the Early show is going to be like???? Want to guess what questions she is going to be asked? I dont even want to know what Letterman is going to do to her.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 08:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"I don't think it is going to 'haunt him for years'. "

Justin will *always* be the guy that put a knife to that girl's throat on Big Brother and was ejected before the first week was up.

George will *always* be the chickenman.

Brittany will *always* be the virgin. (probably just in name only, though! :))

It doesn't take the whole world to know what you did to haunt you for years....just the ones that KNOW you, or just the ones that you share a community with. My next door neighbor probably has no idea who Scott is or what he disease has or the tantrum he threw......BUT you can bet yer bottom dollar that SCOTT's next door neightbor does!

Castalinas

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 08:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Scott had any money, I think Amanda should sue. I mean, it's fine if he wants to expose his medical history to the world but like you all said, she had no say. When you are a woman, these things tend to follow you around much more than men.I mean look at Hugh Grant and the Sunset hooker story, he was patted on the back for that, imagine if it had been a Julia Roberts looking for sex on Sunset Bulv? Men seem to get away with things and still don't bare the real fall out like women do. I feel so bad for Amanda. Hopefully she is a strong woman who can take the negative questions and deal.

Sia

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 08:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, if/when Amanda makes it to "Late Night With David Letterman," I'm pretty sure she'll be asked, "Did you see or touch any monkeys?"

Oh, guess that would be asked if she'd been on Survivor instead of Big Brother!

Maris

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 09:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
roflmao, Maybe instead of Monkeys it will be crabs.

Juju2bigdog

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 09:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

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George will *always* be the chickenman.

Brittany will *always* be the virgin.




Mike Boogie will always be the really cool white rap guy.

Maris

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
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Mike Boogie will always be the really cool white rap guy.

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I dont think so. That privilege belongs to Justin Jacoby.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 09:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Who is Justin Jacoby?

Maris

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 09:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol Sanfran, he is the whiteboy rapper on Fame.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 09:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay....that explains it...I never saw Fame! (I was wondering if that was BB2's Justin or something) LOL

Woofy

Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 11:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, he WAS the whiteboy rapper on Fame. :)

Darlingal

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 05:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
USA Today Article About Scott being kicked out