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Csnog

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 08:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spwisc,

Are you related to Robert also?

How anyone would want the dimmer switches to win is beyond me.

The ladies OUTplayed the guys. Anyone of the three deserve it.

Spwisc

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 08:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, no, csnog, not related and I'm a woman! I just can't stand people like Erika and Ali. I wouldn't mind Jun winning either. THe ultimate winner would be Jee!! ... but it probably won't happen

Spwisc

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 09:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't catch that Erika LIED yet again and said that Jee threatened Ali!!! AHHHHHH, guess there is nothing she won't say or do to win. She doesn't have any honor what so ever.

Cameltoes

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 09:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She didn't lie. Ali told her that Jee and Robert threatened her. She told Jack what she did based on Ali's own words.

Katlady53

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 09:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I loved it that Erika whispered to Jack on his way out. :) Way to go, girl!

Misslibra

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 09:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cameltoes, is right that was not a lie. Spwisc I guess you missed a few things. Or maybe watching another show all together. :)

Spwisc

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't get live feeds, Misslibra, but I don't recall Ali saying anything about Jee or Rob threatening her.

Misslibra

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 09:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
See Spwisc what your missing on the live feeds. Your not getting the whole story. Ali was very upset about Jee and Robert threatening her. The first person she told was Erika, then she told Jun. We disussed this last night in the late night chatters thread. Ali was so angry about it if she could of I think she would have hurt Jee and Robert last night for threatening her.

Cameltoes

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 09:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It did happen on the feeds. Ali was extremely upset last night after a talk with Robert and Jee. She felt threatened and vented to Erika. Erika was very upset to hear it. By the end of the night, Ali had a bit of a meltdown and cried to Erika.

Spunky

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 10:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Do you think Erika didn't know about the shell was put back??? Why didn't Jun or Ali tell her, because I remember Ali and Jun saying, "the shell is back", but Erika was not in the room.

Wendo

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spwisc, Jee and Robert did threaten Ali last night on the feeds. Quite clearly actually.

Spunky, I think Erika did know about the shells being put back. However, I think she blew that question so Jun could win HOH. I think Erika buzzed in primarily to keep Robert buzzing in on the last question.

Spwisc

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 06:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I hear you all, but what exactly did she perceive as a threat?? This is the same <MK> who was going to say Jack was a pervert! How can anyone believe what comes out of her mouth??

Besides, it worked for Erika, that's all she cares about.

Costacat

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 06:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whether a threat was actually leveled against Alison is irrelevant. If she PERCEIVED a threat, that is all that is necessary. It is the same thing as rape... it's still rape even if the actual ACT didn't occur.

We all have our own perceptions of reality. The live feeds provide a more accurate version. The producers of this show have decided to mislead the viewers who watch only the TV shows. Watching only the shows is your perogative, but arguing about what ACTUALLY happened (based on what people saw on the live feeds) indicates a definite preference to believe only what you want to believe.

All of the above are my opinions. You, of course, are entitled to your own.

<Edited to remove a few sentences that were sure to be moderated.>

Csnog

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 07:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spwisc, You need to go to Roberts "Fan" thread.

You will be welcomed by very few posters. lol

Squaredsc

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 07:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
so what was the actual threat? im just curious and don't have feeds and don't read them either.

Spwisc

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Costacat, I hope your never on a jury! "it's still rape even if the actual ACT didn't occur." That completely blew your whole post. I understand what you are saying, but I noticed you didn't comment on the Jack being a pervert thing. Why not??? Ali was going to say that, wasn't she?? Since I don't have time to watch live feeds I was hoping that someone could actually say what happened that Ali 'allegedly' was being threatened by Jee and Robert.

Squaredsc, seems no one really knows, but they are siding with the girls no matter what.

Squaredsc

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
oh ok. sounds fishy then, imo.

Pengoh

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee threatened Ali. They were in the HOH room with Robert. Paraphrasing, Jee said if she didn't vote out Erika they were going to win HOH and evict Ali out of the house. Sure it may not sound like *threat*, it's not like they threatened to kill her, but it's basically saying do what we say or we're out to get you.

Pantageas

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with your point in general, Costacat, but that "rape" anology you used is outlandish and insulting. Is it possible to edit it away?

Myjohnhenry

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Link to live feeds

That link takes you to just one example of what people reported hearing on the live feeds.

During a conversation with Jee and Robert they kept telling Ali that they were not "threatening" or "pressuring" her with some implied "but....". Ali then more or less reported it to the girls as them threatening her...leading ot Erika's comment to Jack.

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee could have bribed her with cotton candy--Ali still would have voted to evict Jack.

Beruthiel

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 02:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
After reading through today's comments, I'd like to address the reference to Erika's whisper to Jack. I actually said this already in another thread, but anyway...
I took her whisper to be another example of her being straight with Jack. Since she couldn't tell him before the vote, because she didn't know for certain what would happen (despite the girl alliance, she couldn't be absolutely sure she was staying until Ali actually voted against Jack) she explained it to him in the only way she could, so at least he would know why he was out when he thought he had it in the bag.
I doubt very much that she was trying to give Jack a hint on how to vote in the end, since Jack would make his own decision, and Erika wouldn't expect him to do anything else. If what happened to Ali would actually help Erika with Jack, then that was a bonus, but it was still the truth, and can only be laid at the feet of the two boys who made the mistake of bullying Alison. I think that was the last straw for her and just confirmed her decision to save Erika. Both Jack and Erika knew that neither could count on Ali.

Texasdeb

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 02:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
right on Beruthiel. That is my take exactly on this incident.

Beruthiel

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 03:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

Pengoh

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 03:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack's parting words are up on the CBS website now... he wants Erika to win.

"I would like to see Erika win. I have great respect for her, she's a savvy, sophisticated, intelligent, witty, glamorous woman. She was wonderful to talk to; she was like another daughter to me. We were very close in our alliances, and worked very smoothly and coherently together. I would love to see her win."