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Archive through July 13, 2003
Onlyhuman | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:23 am     Bastable, I completely agree with you! When I saw this, all I could think was that it would be very hypocritical of the producers to cover their mouths in shock and wring their hands over what to do. This is exactly what they wanted and now they are going to be able to milk the drama even more. Now I'm watching the joy in the HGs as the talk about "one down". Yeah, they were real scared...NOT! |
Maris | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:29 am     So you are saying he should not have been kicked out. That is amazing. I totally disagree, they have an obligation to err on the side of caution and this guy could not be allowed to stay. They had a guy out of control who refused to go to the diary room when they were calling him. He told them come and get me. What if he didnt stop at the chairs? What if he didnt stop with the chairs next time. |
Misslibra | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:33 am     I don't think he should of been kicked out either. Give him a warning the next time something like this goes down he is out. Maybe I'm getting some satisfaction in seeing the girls freak out over Scott. *Evil Grin* |
Curlyq | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:34 am     I think that was his biggest infraction--not coming when they called. By saying they couldn't control him he pretty much did himself in. The whole point of the game is that Big Brother is in control. Even if he hadn't thrown the chairs, saying "Come and get me" was all the reason they needed to oust him. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if this decision was a mutual one, especially if they told Scott how the girls were reacting to his revelation. Who wants to spend 3 months with people who'll treat you like Cootie Boy and vomit at the thought of you? |
Scorpiomoon | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:36 am     I don't think he should have been kicked out. But I can see Arnie's point. When you have one person threatening lawsuits, two people crying hysterically and everyone else squawking around, what else can you do? Eliminate the cause of tension. |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:45 am     Maris, I would have a lot more sympathy for the producers in this situation if they hadn't manufactured it to a large extent, first by choosing Scott in spite of all of his large red flags, in fact using those threatening statements of his as a marketing tool, then by putting his ex into the house to deliberately ratchet up the tension even more. The fact that they got what they wanted literally makes me sick. Second, there are too many people around there and not enough weapons to make me believe that anyone is in any true danger in the house. Third, Scott was not pulled because he didn't listen to BB. He was pulled because the HGs made such a big fuss, claiming to be afraid of him. I would be more supportive of their fears if I thought they were actually real, but I don't. I saw at least two other times in previous days that various HG talked about going to BB and claiming to be afraid as a ploy to get him removed form the house. I also saw Nathan and his harem discuss trying to cause an argument with Scott in order to have a fight that would give them a good enough reason to put up Scott in one of the nominee's place. And just now, I heard the HGs talking about how they had their first "eviction" and were all congratulating themselves on getting rid of someone. It made me want to puke. I think that Scott has many psychological issues to deal with and I felt sorry for him. He became a victim of the machinations of the producers and his fellow HGs. I don't think he belonged in the house in the first place, but I didn't think he deserved to be removed in this particular situation. More than anything I just hate watching the HG's self-righteous smug faces gloat about the success of their plan and listening to them talk about Jack and Erica showing "their true colors" by not getting all hysterical over a situation that didn't warrant all of this drama! Makes me want to puke! |
Cinder | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:47 am     Ditto- Onlyhuman. At least he does not have to live in the same house anymore. |
Azriel | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:51 am     Exactly how I feel, Onlyhuman, right down to the makes me want to puke! |
Maris | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:54 am     I am not talking about sympathy for producers. The title of this thread is Should Scott have been banished. This is about Scotts behavior and whether it was enough to have him kicked out of the house. It is not about whether the producers should have brought his ex girlfriend in, whether the producers should have put a clearly unstable man in the house, or whether a bunch of hysterical girls got what they wanted. I dont know how many of you saw what happened on the feeds or even saw the state of the room after he had thrown the chairs, but to say there was no potential for hurting anyone is wrong. To say they had enough people around they could prevent someone from gettig hurt is also wrong. Justin wasnt stopped with the knife incident and they didnt stop Scott when he threw at least six chairs. When they tried to stop him by calling him into the diary room he refused, he said come and f'ing get me. He was out of control and out of reach. He could easily have hurt Amanda for the perceived slight and there is nothing to say he wouldnt go off again. He had to go. This isnt about the producers or the stepford girls. This is about someone who had no impulse control and had the potential to hurt someone. |
Muse | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:54 am     I don't think he should have been kicked out. He should have gotten a very stern warning (meaning if he throws things or refuses to go the DR when asked to he's gone -- no more warnings) and talked extensively with the shrink, but I don't think anyone was in danger. That being said, I also see why they chose to remove him, and why other posters here interpret the situation differently. And more importantly, I do think it was the best option for Scott. I don't think BB was exactly a healthy environment for him, and he's not doing himself any favors by revealing such personal information to the general public. I also think I'm done with BB4. I'm utterly disgusted by the way these people are acting. Only a few have shown any sympathy or kindness for a guy who obviously has major issues to work out. Even worse, they are attacking others who *do*. I just don't like watching people like this. |
Amy | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:57 am     He was more than likely removed because of his refusal to abide by the rules he agreed to when he signed up for BB. He flat out refused to go to the diary room when requested, he said he wasn't going to do what they told him, that they didn't own him when in fact, they did kind of own him. His violence was only another factor to add into his psychological issues, he was breaking down awfully fast for only being in a week. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:01 am     His boot was for the best. My bet is that once they got him in the DR they simply said that they have come to the conclusion that this environment is not safe for HIM at this time. It's a great form of reverse psychology. Suggest to him that it's within his best interest to leave the show for his health. Then leave it at that. The truth is that they can remove a player at anytime for any number of reasons. He blew it big time when he didn't respond to their requests to come to the DR. That gave them the open door they would need. However, I think the final response will be that it's just best for his health and A.S. will once again swear he didn't know this particular contestant was wound so tight. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:05 am     OH and look for ET to highlight the throwing of the chairs a million times come monday. |
Maris | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:06 am     and letterman. lol |
Castalinas | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:07 am     Good post only-h. As a viewer I am very confused. I no longer even know who to root for. While I was not a fan of Scott's, I also remember Dana, especially, suggesting the day before that someone should get Scott upset, and then she was shown clapping her hands and jumping around when he threw the chairs. Five minuets later she is all serious, saying in how much danger they are in. These women confuse me. The crying, the up chucking? They are acting like stupid 12 year olds. There is no doubt Scott would have frighened me, so the last thing I would have done is suggest ways to make him pop his cork. I know I still like Amanda and Jee. If someone can tell me who the rest of good guys are in this house, please let me know. |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:08 am     Maris, when I say I have no sympathy for the producers, it's in response to the producers having a responsibility to see to the safety of the HGs and to avoid the potential lawsuits. My point is that he shouldn't get pulled for reacting to a situation exactly the way they wanted him to react. They chose him for his volatility and then deliberately put him in an even more pressurized situation with no prior knowledge. They were risking the safety of the others just by setting up this situation and they knew it, but they did it anyway. To the second point, if he had gone on being out of control and had continued to refuse to go to the diary room, then, yes, I can see the problem, but it didn't get that far because he wasn't that far gone. He was upset and when he got himself back under control, he went to the DR. He came out and apologized. It was the hysterical reactions of the others that got him booted...which, by happy coincidence, helped them all out by eliminating a competitor that they didn't like but didn't have the guts to get out themselves. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:15 am     Justins a pretty cool guy as well as Dave. I'm sorta left wondering who I would root for as well at this point. I'm really disgusted with the womens overkill on drama tonight and I can't stand Robert as well so thats where I stand. |
Amy | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:16 am     How do we know that they won't bring someone in to replace Scott? It has only been a week and it would be very easy for them to bring in a new houseguest. Now wouldn't that throw a wrench into the plans they are making. |
Trubycat | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:17 am     I'm sure the producers went thru all the options and knew they had to remove him. They have a lawsuit brewing here. One, Scott lied about having a mental disorder/depression and what he was taking certain meds for. Two, Scott must have lied about not having any STDs. I do believe they ask this straight out but only test for life threatening diseases like HIV/Hepatitis. Scott was not into the whole hampster atmosphere and was one of the most upset by the x-factor. He has instigated fights with at least 3 other hgs and turned into a jealous rage when his ex (whom he's been separated from for over a year) was playing cards with another guy & having a good time. He tore up the kitchen in this jealous rage. Even if his anger wasn't directed physically at any one person, he did physically act out his anger (if that makes sense). He already told Amanda that he still loved her several days ago to unwelcome arms yet he chose to bring it up again tonight. As Amanda stated, he is used to getting whatever he wants just handed to him. That is not what this game is about. There will be weeks where the hgs have to eat only PBJ. There will be even more crazy challenges & times where they have to do things they don't want to do via orders from BB. Scott does not belong in this game. The producers had no choice but to limit their liability and remove Scott now. |
Castalinas | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:31 am     Truby, I think few people will disagree with you on Scott's having to leave, although I, like "only", am sure the producers knew he had to have meds and how unpredictable he was. None of this excuses the behavior of Dana, Ali, Jun, or Michelle. <Mod hd> Especially Dana who had suggested getting Scott riled up and thrown out the day before. |
Trubycat | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:44 am     I'm not commenting on the other hgs behavior in my above post. The people you mentioned overreact to everything and likely wanted this to happen. On the other hand, none of them have went around throwing things in anger and none of them, that I know, have lied to BB about serious things like depression or stds. I am sure the producers had a good idea that Scott was not going to handle the X-factor that well and they've had contestants on the show before who took prescription meds like Xanax for anxiety so I'm not positive that just because Scott openly lied about it that they didn't know he's being treated for something and really just didn't care about the lying. The producers don't really care about these contestants or otherwise there never would have been a X-Factor this year. On the other hand, once enough stuff is on the table, they really have no choice but to limit their liability and remove someone. It's out to the public that Scott lied about those two things, it's out he had a violent tantrum & it's out that he's instigated fights with some of the women on the show. If the public didn't know these things and if the hgs didn't care one way or the other if Scott stayed or left - maybe they wouldn't have given him the axe. But, that's not the case. The exact opposite is. |
Castalinas | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 01:56 am     Once again Truby, I don't think anyone would dispute you on the danger of Scott. As to how much he lied to the producers, we will never know. They were clearly looking to make the show more exciting this year, which they did. Remember last year, when 4 people entered the house and went straight to bed together and only came out to eat meals? That was a snooze fest compared to this. Fear not, Scott is gone, the little crying harem is safe. As a viewer, I loved the drama, but I would have been very scared in the house, but balling my eyes out and blowing chunks?.....Nah |
C1mag | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 02:08 am     Wait Casta you sorta have it right that they wanted him to have an outburst but not to get him booted but so that Nate could use that as a reason to use the veto. One of the Rules is that you cannot force a penalty nomination so there goal was not a penalty for making him outburst it would just be a crazy outburst to use against him to use the veto. I totally agree about the females tonight. Over the top. |
Castalinas | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 02:17 am     Thanks Ci- I have to confess that I have to stop ready your posts(lol). I was in another thread and read your latest idea that Jack and Nate might be secrect pals to the end. By this time my head was spinning. I am so confused I truly know nothing about who is aligned with who.This year I don't know who is wearing the black or white hats. I'm so very confused. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 02:19 am     ahhahahaha tell me about it. Right now Nate and Jun are talking and I have to give nate credit. He has it all figured out who is with who and he just told jun he no longer trusts Dana. She's all over the place he says. Damn I said it on the second night about that woman. She's too paranoid. This could be interesting after all. |
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