Archive through August 09, 2003
MoveCloseDeleteAdmin

TV ClubHouse: Archive: Erika's Debate Thread: Archive through August 09, 2003

Cricket

Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 09:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kappy, supposedly he has a girlfriend right now according to him, lol.

I'm so happy that the others are finally seeing thru him and starting to accept Erika a little more. Ali and Jun say they don't like him any more. It's about time, Ali.

Erika was excited and animated last night according to the feeds. Oh, I hope they pull one over on the 3 Stooges this week. Then we'll see more of Erika's real personality.

From some of her comments, it sounds like she also does modeling, as she mentioned running into Marcellus, I think. I like her better than Lisa from last year. Lisa used that 'baby' talk and was just there. She lucked into winning that game.

Tountz

Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If I was not watching for myself I might come to the conclusion that Erika is not what she says she is. But put together, the way she handles herself, her modesty (she even showers in her Bikini), her relunctance to get into a pissing contest with Robert, the way she evades any "smut" (sex) talking with anyone, plus seeing what an A__HOLE Robert is, leads me to want to believe she's for real. My intuition still tells me there is something, big, we do not know yet.

Wilma2003

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 01:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked her from the start. I've been trying to figure out why EVERYONE says they don't like her and the only thing I can come up with is that she is the prettiest, she's beautiful and she's kind to everyone. She has yet to make a disparaging comment about anyone's body or appearance. Unlike the other ladies in the house.

The one thing I don't like about her is that she cries so darn much. I think that it is time to dry her eyes and be strong. I also hope that she does not get evicted this week. She reminds me so much of the young lady who won last year. She too is trying to stay below the radar...

If she makes it through this week I think she stands a pretty good chance of being in the final 4.

Spunky

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 09:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She's soooo booooooooring!!!!

Jadar

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She is not a real pilates instructor! Said she told Robert she's been working one day a week as Pilates instructor. She is really a bartender for 10 years and works across the street from Robert. Ofcourse this is per Robert, BUT it sounds completely true. He acknowledges she always made great money even tho he told her in the past she should've gotten out while she could cause she's smart. Apparently she's ashamed of her job. He was very shocked that Erika lied about her occupation. Said she is fake. She is a wannabee actress per Robert.

Pengoh

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika has admitted that she also tends bar. So she is a pilates instructor AND a bartender.. big deal. Robert is making it sound so sinister.

Xarph

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika is a bartender. Lisa was a bartender. There is hope for Erika in this game. :-)

Cameltoes

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, she also said that she is trying to get enough clients so that she can do it fulltime. I heard her explaining all this to Justin weeks ago so I don't understand his reaction to Robert's nonsense. She was very sincere during that conversation and her enthusiasm for teaching was very clear.

Jadar

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Difference being she doesn't admit to being bartender when she does that full-time. Yet her bio states her occupation as Pilates instructor. Yeah right, one-day a week.
Plus, Jun saying she is smart as she graduated from Tisch, but Robert spilling beans that she does not have degree even though she says she did graduate. Said she told him it's just because she never paid off her college loans, so school did not give her degree. But that is not true, is it? Most people have loans that are not paid off by graduation, but they definitely are not denied degrees.
Ya know, she is the one person in the house who seems to have a lot of personal secrets.

Xarph

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow. There exist someone who believes that if Robert says something, it must be true.

Jadar

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
May not like Robert in a lot of ways, but starting to feel sorry for him. I don't think he's total scum as people are making him out to be, like pinning him as a coke head (cruel). I like how Jee3 stick together and give each other support (so far). Robert has been very supportive of his pals without being a psycho baby like some others (Nate, Dana, Scott, Ali). Robert did not backstab.

Beruthiel

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 01:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No, he only backstabs women, so I guess that makes him a stand up guy?
I don't think so, Tim!
It's sad that because Ericka is quiet and soft-spoken, has good listening skills and empathy for others, and is not a raving, attention-seeking monster, that she is seen as being devious and sneaky.
I go with her own estimate, as stated in an early DR segment - she's normal, and the rest of them are whacko!
Based on the fact that the show wants and needs TV footage of everyone, it's significant that Ericka is shown so little.
She doesn't do or say much, even in strategy, for them to use!
Just as I was glad to see Michelle go, I'll almost be glad to see Ericka leave, for her own good, although once she goes, and Jack, I'll happily leave the rest to their own devices. They're carnivores, and let them rip each other to bits, rather than the relatively reasonable people in that house. JMHO

Jadar

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 01:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Agree - no stand up guy is this Robert. Needs a slap or two or three or four for how he treats and calls women. But there are redeeming qualities that can be pointed out. There are two sides to every story, and I don't think Erika is such an innocent angel that can be compared to sweet Michelle.
Nothing is black and white.
Erika has good listening skills because that is part of her strategy as she herself has flaunted. As far as empathy, any empathy they show are for their own members. But as this is about Erika, she seems to be hiding her true self, and that is why she comes across as shady also.
She may be quiet and smile to someone's face and listen to your face, but then she runs back to her posse and rips on them just as good as the rest of the vipers. Sometimes it's the quiet ones that you have to watch out for.
The real Erika, please step out.

Speaking of comparisons to Lisa, Lisa was quiet too, but she always came acoss as the real deal.

Erika misses her dogs...
Robert misses his daughter.

Beruthiel

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 04:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika doesn't have a daughter to miss, so that's a low blow, and quite unnecessary.
I did not compare the innocence of Michelle to Erika's, but their normalcy compared to the others, who are all cut-throat competitors. If you recall tonight's show, Justin agreed with her when she said she had never lied to him. Compared to those still in the house, and several who have already left, she's a paragon of virtue, as is Jack. It's all relative, and when I have this group in a row in front of me, I have to make choices, and that's where my judgment says I'd pick 'this' one over 'that' one. Erika may indeed be no angel, but I absolutely refute your contention that just because someone is quiet that they must be somehow up to no darn good! Still waters may run deep, but they are not necessarily polluted! Sorry Jadar, saying that quiet ones are the ones to watch is a cliche if ever there was one!
One hears a lot more when one's mouth is closed than when one's tongue is flapping, so kudos to her for her silent strategy. And NO ONE beats the dream team for ripping on the rest, so that won't wash either, alas. We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this topic. If I can't root for Erika and Jack, then I'll have to take a pass on BB4!

Costacat

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 07:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika has very clearly said, on several occasions, that she tends bar to supplement her income UNTIL THAT TIME THAT SHE CAN SUPPORT HERSELF with her Pilates clients. She's been very upfront about that.

The fact that her "bio" states she is only a Pilates instructor is meaningless. The "bios" of all the houseguests (in fact, the bios of most contestants on ANY CBS reality show) are usually misleading. For example, Robert is currently unemployed, yet his bio says he's a restaurant manager. And isn't Alison planning on going to law school (so shouldn't her bio state she's a law student)?

I also take exception to the comment (with negative overtones) that Erika is missing her dogs while Robert is missing his daughter. BOTH HGs are missing their children. If I were in the house, I would be missing my cats. Since I don't have two-legged children, would that make me a cold and callous person? Would it be better for me to say that I miss my best friend's children? Children with whom I don't live?

I do not think Erika is "hiding her true self." I think Erika's "true self" is just a lot less blatantly arrogant/rude/egotistical/loud/mouthy/[insert your own words here] than the rest of the house. I think the fact that she APPEARS to be UTR is due to her personality. She intentionally does not attract attention, and that is a good thing. In this house, however, that is considered to be sneaky. Personally, I think Erika has a lot more class than most of the other HGs.

And yes, I was a Lisa fan last year. I even managed to get a question presented to her during her live chat (remember, she was pleased to find out that we liked her outside the house!).

Jbean

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 07:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jadar, just wanted to respond about the college not giving Erika her degree (diploma) because of her loans not being paid off. It all depends on where you get your loan from. If you get the loan, or a grant from the school itself, then they do not have to give you your certificate until the debt with them is fully paid. Most people who have loans actually are through outside companies rather than the school, hence leaving them with the debt for years to come.

I know this from experience. My last semester of college, I went part-time, and got enough money through a pell grant to cover the total cost of my tuition for the semester...except for about $13. If I wouldn't have paid the $13 balance to the school, they could have not given me my actual diploma.

It actually did happen to a friend of mine there. He graduated, but still doesn't have his actual paper certificate because he still owes the school money. And that has been 5 years ago.

sorry for the long, boring explanation, just wanted to clarify.

BTW, I like Erika a lot. I don't really see the Lisa resemblence, though. She reminds me of Elizabeth Hurley, actually.

Maris

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 08:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lets not forget the racist comments that Erika made. Even today, Jun, Jee and Robert were talking about Erika and Alison making racist jokes. Jee said can you imagine what they say when we aren't here. Her kindness is an act and only lasts as long as she is not nominated.

Jadar

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 08:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's nice that you can see only good qualities in Erika, but trash those that even hint Robert is remotely human. Yeah, the way you put down Robert is much worse than anything said about Erika because a lot of it is just plain slanderous. What? Robert is not allowed to tell the truth? Is that so unbelievable? It's pretty petty for some to have to say that Robert calling Erika out was a lie in itself.

Do any of you know Erika personally because some you sound like you do. And about Erika becoming forthcoming about her occupation, that is news to me and apparently to a lot of the HGs. Just last night, J3 and Jun were very surprised to learn she was a bartender. They couldn't believe why she was hiding her occupation like that, noting she has not been honest about herself. So, nice to defend her, but how'd you know more than the HGs?
Beruthiel, Beruthiel - As for the so called cliche (how'd I know you were going to nit pick on that), it's more of a saying that many times ends up being quite true. Sometimes the loud mouths are annoying as anything, but atleast you know where they're coming from.

As for things noted about Erika, sorry you don't like it, but most of those things are way more true than any of the slanderous, mean things said about Robert.

Take it as you will. To me, not being forthwhile with something as simple as one's obvious occupation says a lot about someone. Not saying she is a bad person, but just that I sure haven't seen that much of the real Erika to make the call that she is the total victim while Robert is total scumbag that people make him out to be.

Costcat - To each his own. There are times I suspect her true self is indeed arrogant and condescending. A truly nice person does not always say "I'm soooo much smarter and better than you, they are so (curse) stupid", call people "stupid asian lady from hell", the famous racist/national remark about Jee. She rips on people in condescending ways when she is with Jack and that is just plain annoying. I just didn't think Erika needed to say the things she did if one was truly a nice *classy* lady. Michelle sure didn't and that's what made her a nice person from the heart. I remember Jason BB3 didn't need to go there. He didn't have to because he really was nice. Even though they're playing a game and backstabbing, HGs do know a nice person when they see one, and many do think Erika is fake. I don't think they made it up and I don't believe Robert has that much power to make them think that way.

There seems to be other sides to Erika that she doesn't want to show people. But from the time to time, I see her mask slipping and it ain't pretty. As Michelle said about Erika in a interview, she's "fake". Or maybe I'm just expecting too much from her because I truly did think she was nice, but found myself disappointed over and over. I constantly find myself saying "who the heck does she think she is?"

I don't see her compared to the others as relative. I want to like someone for themselves, not because they're less evil.

Again, will the real Erika, please step out (or maybe not).


And yes costact, I'm glad you were a fan of Lisa's last year, so was I.

Last but not least, if clothes are any indication to personality, than I have to think that Erika is a wannebe (barbie)? IMO everything about her clothes scream FAKE. She's supposed to be classy lady in the house. At her age, what is she doing in those PINK high-heeled ankle boots, PINK cap with PINK polk-dotted bikini, PINK warm-up suit, and all the rest of those pinks clothes. I do not know of one 33 (going on 34) yr. old with that much pink. I should know because I am a year younger than Erika. The only girls who look that great in pink are those blonds that pose for Playboy. IMO, does not bring out her coloring and just makes her seem more like a wannabee.

Jadar

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 08:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jbean -Thanks for clarification : )

Tishala

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Beruthiel: "Erika may indeed be no angel, but I absolutely refute your contention that just because someone is quiet that they must be somehow up to no darn good! Still waters may run deep, but they are not necessarily polluted!"

You're right: there is NO reason to believe the worst just because SOMEONE is quiet and that still waters are not NECESSARILY polluted. But to me, when Erica, not "someone", opens her mouth--as with Jee nominating her--those waters looked more than a little unclean. Indeed, when she opens her mouth, it is frequently no good and she allows Jack's boorishness to overtake her a bit much. In fact, even though I don't like Jack, he is completely innocent here, so I should clarify that. He has never said anything that offended me as deeply as the comments Erica made about Jee. I think Maris is spot on with this....

Zachsmom

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll be 35 in a couple of weeks. I wear a lot of pink..it's my favorite color. And NO I am no playboy wanna be model!

Draheid

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
whistle

Misslibra

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was Jun who told the guy's today that the they were telling racist jokes and from what I heard on live feeds is that Nate and Ali were the ones telling the jokes. And Erika told them they need to stop.

I was watching the live feeds last night when this was suppose to be going on, but the camera man had all four feeds on the stooges who were all in the HOH room together. The guys were not present when this happen Jun was the only one from their group who was not in the room with them, that is how she could of heard the jokes.

I will say this at least Erika told them they needed to stop or cut it out. Jun did nothing but tell the boy's about it today. If she was so offended she should of spoke up.

You know why they were so surprise to hear Erika was a bartender ? It's because they never took the time to get to know her, only going by the hatred Robert loves to spew about her. Never once have any of the three stooges asked her, her side of the story.

So far I don't have to many complaints about Erika, except I'm tried of that pink hat. Her favorite color has to be pink. I also think she needs to let someone help her with her clothes. So far Erika has took the high road in reguards to Robert. So far she has not stoop down to his level, and I'll give her high marks for that. Has she made some mistakes sure she has. But I do think compared to Jun and Ali she has a lot more class, and I like her. :)

Zachsmom

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Dra!

I agree MissL!

Maris

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is my question. Most agree that Robert is pretty much the worst of the worst. He has very little redeeming qualities. So how is it such a paragon of virtue as Erika would go out with such a lowlife??? Isn't it possible that she is pretty nasty herself??? Looking at that guy and listening to him for five minutes, WHY would you go out with him unless you are missing a screw yourself?

I did not watch the feeds last night however what Jun said was that Erika and Alison were making racist comments and telling racist jokes. Jun said they were getting so bad that even Erika said enough and they should stop. It isnt that Alison was sitting there by herself telling Mexican jokes, Erika was participating but realized they were going too far. She was a participant.