Archive through September 25, 2003
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Archive through September 25, 2003
Aremid | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:13 pm     I think they should have been better sports, but they were all the time talking about who played an emotional game, well, their conduct last night was emotional for the most part. Most of them were still holding grudges, and were very upset they they had to choose between Ali and Jun.They were not even trying to hide their despair. Sometimes it is hard to do that. I think it was better that they did not fawn over the final two in any way, that would have been totally dishonest, but I don't think there was a need to be as cold as they were toward the two. It made them look immature in some ways. Sure, they had issues, but try to be mature about it. I thought Jack behaved well. |
Guinevere | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:15 pm     I agree with Crazydog - I think Robert's confession and apology to the girls had more to with his diarrhea of the mouth than any real remorse. >Do not confuse future apologies or post game apologies with the one Robert made to the 2 girls directly during the game when he did not have to.< Markty, I think he had to apologize because he brought up the comments. I don't think he brought up the comments to clear the air, or anything. Once he'd said it, of course he had to apologize - he could tell that the girls were pissed. Kalekona and Markty, do you honestly believe that if someone specifically brings up their calling Elena the b word to Jun or Ali, they won't show remorse? I really can't imagine that. I'm not sure what being in the house or outside the house or in the game or outside the game has to do with it. If Robert had not been confronted by Julie, and had still brought up his remarks to Jun and Ali and apologized, then maybe, maybe, I would believe in his sincerity. But even then, I'd really wonder about the issues he seems to have with women. |
Murph | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:15 pm     Robert on another occasion apologized for his remarks. He was talking with Jun and Ali a couple of days after Julie called him out on it in the diary room and after he was asked the question on the live chat. He said I am sorry, I can be a Pr@ck sometimes, no a lot of times I am one." I am not a big fan of Robert's but I do think he knew his remarks were bad. |
Kalekona | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:18 pm     Maybe they wouldn't have been so cold if they had, had more time to deal with the comments they heard.. as past HG have. It's a trade off.. not allow them to see the DR so something that is suppose to be where they can be honest doesn't effect the outcome of the game. Or let them go home and watch, read everything but have time to deal with it and put on a happy face. I like how this one went. I don't think they were poor sports i think there was a lot of anger in that room that had NOTHING to do with the game. And it was anger they had more than a right to. They all had given both girls credit for their game play prior to seeing the videos. |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:20 pm     But the thing is, the two times he apologized were directly the result of two outsiders bringing up these comments. It wasn't a spur of the moment thing. He said those comments about "b,s, and w" well over a week before Julie actually got the chance to confront him about it. I didn't see any apology in that week's time from Robert to Jun/Ali. He is no better than the two of them. I honestly think he was standing on that house, freezing his warm weather butt off, and it was just one of those "wouldyabelieve" moments. "Heh heh, guess what just happened to me in the HoH! I couldn't believe Julie said....Oh wait, you're not laughing? Then in that case, I'm sorry about what I said." |
Charvie | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:21 pm     I don't see them asa poor sports. And not too hypocritical. In terms of the voting. Robert- didn't vote emotionally. He had a deep distaste for Jun, but her game playing he felt was a lot more honorable than Alison's, before the tapes. Dana- wouldn't vote for Alison ever. This wasn't a shock vote. Justin-voted for the upfrontness of Jun's game. Not an emotional vote, he didn't like her at all. Erika- may have been a emotional vote. Jack-despised Alison so his vote may have been personal. Nathan-voted for Alison. It wasn't emotional, despite her betrayals, he really did think Alison played a better game than Jun. Also this is before the tapes. Jee-picked the upfront approach of Jun's playing. Plus he was planning to do it to Jun, she just beat him to it. not an emotional vote. So I don't see it as sore losers. And Jun and Alison made some pretty horrendous comments, I think no matter what those words are hard to overcome, especially from people who claimed to like you and the like. |
Mssheila | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:21 pm     I need to find a tape to watch it over again, but my view is this: Had it been Jack and Erika in the end, this jury would have been all smiles and kissy huggy for them. I'm using these two as an example. It could almost be any of the two in the Jury in the end, I think if ALMOST anyone else had ended up in the F2, the only sore losers would have been Ali and Jun. I didnt think they acted any way than the way they should. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with them expressing their disappointment who was in the finals. I think that these two girls were nastier than anyone I've ever seen on BB, and the jury knew it. JMHO |
Cassie | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:27 pm     <<"Ali says she doesn't care about this game anymore. It's over and the cast can lick her a** crack...twice for that matter.">> OMG, what an image that conjures up. That statement epitomizes low-class, IMO. |
Kalekona | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:31 pm     Crazydog - my point was he did apologize when it was brought up to him. The girls did not and had the chance to do so. Whatever you think about Robert at least he KNEW what he said was wrong. These two do not. And Ali is still blaming the jury for it. |
Guinevere | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:34 pm     >Robert on another occasion apologized for his remarks. He was talking with Jun and Ali a couple of days after Julie called him out on it in the diary room and after he was asked the question on the live chat.< Well, at that point, he still thought he might be in the final two, right? So it behooved him to smooth things over if he could. Also, I wonder if he brought it up originally because he thought that it might get back to Jun and Ali somehow - that it might be brought up by the interviewer in the DR, or something. >I don't think they were poor sports i think there was a lot of anger in that room that had NOTHING to do with the game. And it was anger they had more than a right to.< But then, do you believe that they all have a right not just to be angry at Jun and Ali, but at each other? Erika made hateful comments towards Jee. Erika made hateful comments towards Dana. Jack made hateful comments toward Dana. Robert made hateful comments towards all the women in the house. Dana made hateful comments toward Ali. Those were just the first five I could think of. There were many many more. Is it just a matter of apologizing? I don't know, I think apologizing is the right thing to do when you've hurt someone, but I don't think it makes everything okay. I don't think Erika apologizing to Jee (quite a half-assed apology, IMO) makes what she said okay. I don't think Robert apologizing to Jun and Ali made what he said okay. And I sincerely doubt that the Jun and Ali haters would be at all moved by any future apologies they give. |
Markty | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:35 pm     You dont see the difference. Robert did not have to say anything to Jun or Ali, so what Julie confronted him that was a private conversation. I don't think Robert accidentally slipped and blurted out the fact that he called the women these names. I think he said it originally out of anger and frustration and when confronted about it he was embarrassed about it. He told the girls and apologized. They chose to get angry over it. Jun and Ali said worse things BOTH before and AFTER They knew of Roberts comments. They never admitted or apologized for any of them. They are the true hypocrites in the house. Instead of trying to make excuses as to why Robert did apologize or how Ali and Jun "probably" would apologize if confronted just stick to the facts and what did happen. Robert apologized (when he could have kept the comments secret till after the game) and Ali and Jun to this day have not. |
Jimmer | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:36 pm     I do not think that the members of the jury were poor sports or hypocrites. “Winners” should not be heartily loved and congratulated simply for winning – they should be congratulated because they deserve congratulation. I think that the jury was more than generous in their congratulation of Ali and Jun. |
Cassie | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:41 pm     What Jimmer said. |
Guinevere | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:46 pm     >Instead of trying to make excuses as to why Robert did apologize or how Ali and Jun "probably" would apologize if confronted just stick to the facts and what did happen.< Gee, is that an order? A question for you, then - if Jun and Ali do apologize, will you be okay with their behavior as you're okay with Robert's? |
Coffee | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:50 pm     Robert's comments were trashing Jun and Ali and he did say he was sorry. Jun and Ali's comments were far worse and they had no regrets. Jun's only regret was she ate too much there. The jury voted before they heard the tapes and their remarks to Jun and Ali were after they heard the tapes. I really think they voted on who they thought was the best player out of the two left. Jee summed it up right - he could not do what they did to win the game. Of course after watching those tapes they would be upset. Can you imagine what they will think once they find out some of what Jun and Ali really said. |
Sweetpea1994 | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:20 pm     Well said Markty. |
Markty | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:20 pm     I never once claimed to be "OK" with Roberts behavior. He made some terrible remarks. I did not condone them at the time nor do I condone them now. I just stated the FACT that Robert (on his own) admitted to Jun and Ali what he had said and he also apologized for the remarks. (you can speculate as to why he did so when he did not have to but that does not change the fact that he did apologize BEFORE Jun and Ali knew what he said) But Jun and Ali long before Robert said his rude comments were doing their own vulgar trash talking about people, Ali and Jun continued the behavior after Robert apologized. Yet they had the nerve to be offended by the admission and apology that they themselves were never able to make. They acted as if they had never said a bad word about anyone instead of being big enough to admit or apologize for their own insults. Again I do not condone Roberts statements (so don't put words in my mouth) but when it comes to someone who admits to wrongdoing and apologizes to someone else who refuses to admit , apologize (or forgive) another who has done the same (or far far less)I have more respect for Robert and find Ali and Jun to be the real hypocrites of the house. |
Earthmother | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:29 pm     The obvious reaction for an adult when getting caught doing or saying something inappropriate is to apologize. Erika did it, Jee did it, Jack did it Robert did it and Nate did it..I didn't hear any apologies from Dana, Justin, Ali or Jun. I guess they are exempt.. |
Kristylovesbb | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:32 pm     I just wonder how many here would have congratulated and patted Jun and Ali on the backs had you been in the house. I guess I would be called a poor sport because I would never congratulate anyone that called me vile names or made fun of me. Playing a game is one thing but making it personal puts it on a different level to me. |
Needmylifeback | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:34 pm     I thought it was "Sour Grapes" on the part of the Jury...they certainly came across to me as being 6 minutes short of a tantrum....(except Jack)....and while I was rooting for someone else to be in the final two...I don't think Jun and Ali deserved the ice-cold reception. Each and every one of the players were at sometime during the game 'bad' (and I say that to include - foul mouthed/backstabing/coniving/aliances.....) - I just think that they have been out of the house and have somewhat rationalized their own behavior (or in Jee's case...forgotten about it) so it looks to them like the remaining two were the cause of all things bad in the house.... I would think that the next 12 or 13 contestants in BB5 have a lot of thinking to do...if they watched this season at all! |
Coffee | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:37 pm     I think the reason for the jury being so cold is because Ali and Jun's trashing was far worse than the others and more often. The only place to lay the blame is on them, not the jury. I thought the jury did pretty well considering what Ali and Jun did to them. |
Lucymac | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:41 pm     I really didn't think the jury were hypocrites either. All day yesterday Jun and Ali were talking about how they really didn't even want to see the evicted houseguests and they didn't want to hug them. They had also talked about some of the comments they would like to make to the jury. I felt like it was the lesser of two evils winning so see no reason why the jury should feel any differently. I noticed when Julie told them who was outside Jun and Ali practically ran out of there and didn't even hesitate if anyone did want to congratulate them. I think both sides seemed pretty cold and I don't see anyone as being more hypocritical than the others. Perhaps if Ali and Jun had been more gracious winners, the jury might have been happier for them last night. I was put off by their attitudes so can't blame the jury for feeling the same way. |
Murph | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:43 pm     From this morning's Early Show: Julie: Jack did give you a hug afterwards and then, um at the end of last night we were all standing on the stairs, and actually Dana gave you a hug too. Jun: Yeah, um, ah, I think they got over things a little bit because they realized, you know it’s over and we need to move on, but I really did not get a very warm welcome from most of the houseguests, I mean, Jee congratulated me, Jack gave me credit, Dana said that I’d have to apologize later, but I guess for now we’re ok. But all and all.. Julie: Apologize for what? Did she say? Do you know her? Jun: I’m not sure, I’m not sure, I, I know, I know that other people said worse things about her and to her, so maybe she’s just upset that we didn’t take it to the finals, but she didn’t make it very easy for me. No, I don't see Jun apologizing to anyone for anything. Neither Jun or Ali ever saw the irony in things Robert said about them and what they (J/A) said about the other women. Nor did they realize that their potty mouth's, their sex discussions, and their meanness would incline someone to think of them as B, W, S. When Robert apologized to them on one occasion Jun questioned him regarding someone calling his daughter those names. Later both Ail and Jun referred to his 7 year old child a B. During the jury Q & A, Jun was asked to respond to her personal attacks. She had an opportunity to say Hey, I am sorry, no hard feelings, said in anger, etc. etc. To me Jun and Ail "just don't get it." I do not think either of them feels the need to apologize. If I am wrong about them I will apologize!! |
Lorry | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:44 pm     JMO... I thought that was about the most "real" any jury on BB has been. I think they were honest about their feelings, and they did not put on fake smiles and pretend they were pleased. It was a difficult decision for them. I think Dana and Justin and most all of the jury came off rather well. I thought personally that Robert grew as a person. With all his past problems, he gave hope to those people that fight demons of their own. He wasn't picture perfect, none of them were... but he gained my respect as a person. |
Sherri | Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 02:02 pm     Not poor sports and not hypocrites, and I'm with Jimmer - just because someone is a winner, doesn't mean they deserve congratulations. And, if someone called me a child molester or my elementary school age child a , then I would be the hypocrite to go and congratulate them, because there is no way that would be how I really felt. I would have already voted, before I saw those tapes, and would honor that vote, as all the jury members did, but I certainly wouldn't have to be fake about it. With Lory too -- they were the most "real" jury BB has had to date. The other juries, IMHO, were the hypocrites. All that hugging and junk at the end when you know they didn't feel that way about each other. Puhleez! |
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