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Archive through July 13, 2003
Maris | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 09:50 am     superstar, just go to the beginning of this thread and read, it has a blow by blow of the incident. |
Superstar | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 09:58 am     thanks hamsterlady and maris. i hope i have figured out how to do all this before the end of big brother. |
Chai | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 10:27 am     Getting kicked out of the BB house - $500,000 Curing an STD - $500 Ali's reaction to Scott's revelation - priceless |
Fabnsab | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 10:30 am     Chai, thats great! |
Jdctexas | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 10:34 am     I just want to add this final thought about Scott. In the immortal words of the marines in the movie Aliens: Game over, man, game over! <sorry, couldn't resist.> |
Costacat | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 10:41 am     Does anyone else think it's, well, bizarre that Dana was so "afraid" of Scott? I'm thinking there were two things going on here. First of all, isn't she a karate instructor? If so, I'm assuming that she would be able to defend herself *if* anything ever happened in the house that would require such. Secondly, I think these folks know lots about previous BBs. And I'm thinking that Dana wanted Scott out, and bad. Therefore, she "said" that she was afraid of him, knowing that if enough folks agreed, he'd be evicted. One less person to have to get voted out. BTW, Scott's anxiety disorder in no way makes him psychotic. And oh, yeah. There are laws that prevent employers from terminating someone's employment due to STD (including HPV and HIV). Finally, you cannot contract HPV by touching something that someone who's infected touched (i.e. a toilet seat). You need to directly contact the point of infection, skin to skin. And the virus must be present (i.e. active, such as when a sore is present or about to appear). (And I cannot BELIEVE that the young women in the house didn't know that. Don't they teach sex education in the schools anymore? <sigh>) Edited to add: P.S. Personally, I think Scott is better off out of that house. Whether or not his meds were helping his anxiety disorder, the pressure cooker in that house surely wasn't. So yeah, he loses his chance to win $500K. But so what. He'll get a chance to regain his equilibrium and get back to his "real" life (not to be confused with the fake reality of life in the BB house). |
Castalinas | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 10:57 am     Costa- I think Dana is full of it. However I also think Scott was dangerous, to what degree, I don't know. The behavior of Nate's harem was laughable. I hope they all get voted out somehow by Amanda, Jee and the rest. I hope one of the x's gets the next HOH or anyone but Nate and his girls. I also hope the toliet blows up and causes Alison to go nuts. |
Eliz87 | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:22 pm     WOW WOW WOW....I leave for a day and a half and come back to THIS. Whoa. Good stuff. I read through this entire thread and I think, to some extent, the producers just wanted an excuse to get rid of Scott because of his admission about calling Amanda to tell her he was going to be on the show. They disqualified Brandon for telling someone about the show and probably needed to avoid a lawsuit by Brandon whenever the news came out that Amanda knew Scott would be in the house. I don't know, maybe not, but that's a thought. That's not to say that Scott is not a scary person, but I don't think he did anything too awfully bad. I mean, Justin from BB2 pretty much threatened Kent with bodily harm and nothing was done. I don't think Scott has even really had it out with anyone. Oh well... Wish I could have seen "the Angels" freakin' out. hahahahahaha What a bunch of babies. Scrubbing the toilet seat and crying! MY GOD! Get a grip there girls! This whole thing just makes me like Erika even more. Anyway, this is yet another sad example of what can happen when people are ambushed. The producers HAD to expect SOMEONE to "go off" when the exes walked in. I'm sure they were prepared for this. |
Ryn | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 12:24 pm     News article: http://www.canoe.ca/JamBigBrother4/jul13_bb4-can.html |
Corriecat | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 02:03 pm     It never fails - the interesting things happen on the nights I have to work. I read the entire thread too. I wonder if he decided he had just had enough and wanted out so he did something to get himself evicted? Also for Ryan I think great googeldymoogeldy came from the Snickers commercial where the guy paints Chefs instead of Chiefs on the football field. |
Ryanc829 | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 02:04 pm     I went to the racetrack (car as opposed to dog or horse) and I just knew that something would happen while I was out for the night. I came back right after the chair throwing part ended. |
Cricket | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 04:11 pm     Sheesh, I went to Milwaukee last night to see my niece perform with Boston and I thought THAT was an exciting night. Little do I know, eh? I just posted yesterday morning about the possibility of Scott seeing Amanda with any of the other men and going off the deep end. Here's what a doctor told me about Prozac and some of the other anti-anxiety pills. (This is their way of thinking, not necessarily mine.) They say obviously if a person is on these, they are depressed, so it gives them the courage to do what they have only previously thought about doing, ie., suicide...violence...etc. However, that is just too easy if someone does act out to blame it on the person and not maybe a side effect of the drug. Not saying Scott is not responsible for what he did...he is, but there are quirks in these meds. Many lawsuits have been brought against the makers of some of these drugs. Lots of people who go on killing rampages are on different medications like this. It would be better to treat them in a mental facility like they did in the old days, rather than just give them pills and off they go. Sounds like David desperatly needs counseling and these pills won't do that for him. I agree with those who think Dana is over the top. It's going to backfire on her. Catfat, your post was quite a few pages back, but I think the fight between Jun and Scott was when he went into the house when they were playing truth or dare. He was curious and had mentioned outside "Geez, sounds like they are having more fun than we are." He was in a joking manner and after the game Jun came out (because she wants to make sure she is playing both sides)said she was going to go 'make nice' and Scott called the truth or dare game "immature fun." She stormed in the house and made a HUGE deal of it. Got everyone all riled up over NOTHING! I didn't see where Scott did anything wrong that night. They were just out to get him. I don't think he is the best person in the house though, given all his problems, but WHY OH WHY couldn't he have waited until after the Veto, lol? |
Bearware | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 04:49 pm     WELL!!!!!!! I guess I belong in a mental institution then, Cricket!!!I am absolutely POSITIVE you didn't mean harm in what you said, but I'll also admit, I am a bit offended! Most people on prozac have a chemical imbalance that causes the brain to produce less seratonin than the brain needs, thereby inhibiting the transferal of impulses between the cells. Prozac does NOT make you more impulsive, nor does it make you more able to crack if that is your bent. It stabilized the chemicals, and if you have OTHER disabilities or imbalances, such as other mental illness, they are not affected by the drug, and therefore are not treated. Now, How do I know this? I have been on prozac for at least 15 years, on a daily basis. The chemical imbalance runs in my family, it does cause depression, and I have been seen by a psychiatrist, a GP and a counsellor. I do still need the meds to keep the chemicals balanced, but NEVER EVER have I wanted to go on a violent rampage. That is an entirely different issue, and luckily, I was raised by people who instilled in me some personal self control and accountability. I do believe strongly that the only way to change the misperceptions about this very important and valuable drug is through education, and that's part of why I'm willing to share my own experiences here. I am NOT a crazy person, and I DO have a good stable life and job, and really, am relatively happy in it! Prozac has been instrumental in my achievement of these things. Scott is a live wire, and has serious problems. One of them may be a chemical imbalance, but I'll guarantee, once those are taken care of, he's still not near the normal range of control. I do think the producers should do a much better job of screening the houseguests. I would personally wonder if Scott has some legal recourse with them. They obviously knew about his issues, and decided to exploit him for ratings sake. I didn't like him, and I'm glad he's gone, but I hate to see anyone used like that. |
Cricket | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 05:20 pm     Oh my gosh, Bearware, I am very sorry if I offended you. That wasn't my intent at all. I only printed what a physician told me about some of the affects of anti-anxiety/depressants. No, I don't feel at all that everyone on meds needs to be in a mental hospital. I believe someone else or maybe Jack in the house also stated that Scott really needs some good counseling to sort out emotionally everything he is going through. I'm only saying HIM because he seems to be so overwhelmed right now. I agree with you completely about Scott being a livewire and that's what I was talking about when I mentioned the mental facilities are for the most part closed. About 15 or 20 years ago they started closing many of them and people like Scott were just given medication, which, for someone like him doesn't always solve the problem alone. Also, many feel they are given too freely to teenagers whom may have a different body chemistry. I'm also not talking about everyone on these meds. When I was first diagnosed with Fibro I took Elavil for several years, as it was an anti-anxiety, but also a musculoskeletal relaxant and it really helped my sore muscles as well as let me get some sleep. Unfortunately one of the side affects was weight gain, so I gradually discontinued them. I have felt sorry for Scott and feel the others were trying to antagonize him. I was just wondering whether it was healthy for him when he is trying to straighten his life out, to be thrown in with his ex that he is trying to get over. I have empathy for him and was just saying that he needs counseling and help, not just the medication. I am truly sorry if I upset you. I understand depression and it is wonderful there are drugs to help. |
Cute1073 | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 05:22 pm     Cricket you have been misinformed on the benefits of prozac and other anitdepressants....I am a nurse in the hospital and HAVE worked on a psych floor. You would be amazed at the number of people on anti depressants. It is true that there are some people who are so depressed that when they do start feeling better after taking an antidepressant MAY act rashly but usually this entails killing or harming themselves. This is certainly not the case with Scott it's obvious he's been treating his anxiety disorder for a while He was put into a situation that his coping skills weren't prepared for and he reacted the way he reacted. It really upsets me when I see generalizations about people who are mentally ill...or have real problems with their anxiety. It's no different from having diabetes....they have to take meds every day they do not have to be treated in an institution. But have you seen someone who is low in blood sugar? They can act very crazy but it is an obvious and an identifiable issue JUST LIKE MENTAL ILLNESS. We need to get over this stigma we attach to people on psych meds. These are the people you see every day at work and even at home!!!!!!! Nothing against anyone but I think everyone in the world needs to look at how they react to those that have mental and emotional issues....try putting yourself in their shoes. |
Cute1073 | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 05:25 pm     sorry cricket read your next post...so don't take mine personally But psych institutions have not closed down to those who are in trouble...those that do not live in psych intsitutions any more and those with problems like schizophrenia. We now have many excellent programs to helpe thses people live in the community If someone is a danger to themselves or others they will most definately be admitted....at least in Canada....and i'm pretty sure in the states too because i've had patients from California that were in instituitions down there. |
Katlady53 | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 06:01 pm     I always thought that one of the primary reasons people who took antidepressants went off of the deep end is because after they started feeling better, they stopped taking the drugs. Modern day drugs are nothing to mess with. You're not supposed to just take yourself off of them or play around with the dosage without consulting a physician. I, personally, started taking Prozac last fall due to (ahem...sorry, TMI) perimenopausal mood swings and depression due to chemical imbalances. I usually makes jokes about being a member of the "Prozac Nation," but it has honestly made a world of difference in how I feel now. Oh, and I've never freaked out, thrown chairs or gone nuts on people since I started taking it either. Lol |
Livinnafishbowl | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 06:10 pm     (not in response to anyone....just my story =0) I took prozac for almost 3 years and it saved my life. I have now been off prozac for 1 year (with physician consent) because I just don't need it anymore. I may have to take it again someday (winter is hard for me) and that is ok with me. The ONLY side effect I had was insomnia. I hate the rap it gets because it LITERALLY saved me. I am extremely appreciative that my Dr put me on it and I am in no way ashamed of having to take it. Depression/anxiety is just as much a disease as any other. It just gets a bad rap. Prayers to all dealing with this! |
Ryanc829 | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 06:11 pm     Katlady - You ain't joking about modern day drugs and not suddenly going off of them. A few weeks ago I went through drug withdrawel for the 3rd time in my life because my pump that delivers meds (muscle relaxer/antispastic) to me ran out ahead of schedule. |
Cute1073 | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 06:13 pm     thats true catlady but its also true that some people are so depressed that they want to die but have not motivation to carry out the plan. Give them an antidepressant and they start to get more energy but may still be depressed...this can give them just enough motivation to carry out their plan....it's a very unfortunate side effect (if you can even call it that) I have to say i'm hoping scott is ok but i'm surprise that his personality traits didn't come through in their interview process....although Justin did make it on the show 2 yrs ago so obviously someone is sleeping on the job |
Cute1073 | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 06:14 pm     oooh Ryn...benzo?...thats a nasty withdrawl..not something you should have to go through |
Ryanc829 | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 06:17 pm     Cute - Actually Baclofen. It's delivered from a pump in my stomach through a catheter and to my spine. Muscle spasms, nausea, itching like hell. |
Cute1073 | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 06:21 pm     I'm glad you're better now Ryan!!!!!!! And you would make an excellent and stable replacement for Scott...you would win for sure...all your BB experience! you would kick ass...they wouldn't even know what to do |
Cricket | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 06:24 pm     Cute1073, thanks for a very informative post. Unfortunately, a friend of my daughter's had a bad experience with someone who was released from a mental institution because it was indeed closed. As I said, this started happening about 10 years ago. I don't know if anyone recalls an incident in the UP of MI where a man went to rob the bank and took a teller hostage. She was a young girl and he kept her in the back seat of his car all night surrounded by police. She was taped with bombs and he held the detonater in his hand. After this, the girl quit her job at the bank and went to work where my daughter worked. This incident made national news so some may have heard of it. This man had recently been released from a mental institution because they were closing down. His own family didn't want him released as they felt he wasn't ready to function on his own. I think, but am not sure, that he was angry with the bank manager. I can't remember what happened to him; whether he went to jail or back to a hospital. However, someone kept calling this young woman at her new job. She went thru heck and was so afraid. It traumatized her for life. Also, please understand when I say mental institution, perhaps I should be saying mental facility, not to be locked up forever, but like a rehab place where you go for a few weeks or months until you feel better and can once again function in the real world with the help of your medication. Katlady, you are so right about people thinking they feel better, so why take the meds, or they don't like the side effects. They don't realize the repercusions of stopping the drug. Regarding Scott, he doesn't just have anxiety, he has many issues to work on and he just couldn't be that close to Amanda and function. If the producers put him in there just to see if he would explode, that's not nice or respectful to anyone in the house, including Scott himself. Edit: Cute, I just saw your latest post and I too wonder how in the world did Scott pass the psych test? |
Ryanc829 | Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 06:27 pm     Cute1073 - Not sure I could handle it. Seems like it would be very tough mentally. Not to mention that there is a great risk of something happening like the withdrawel. |
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