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Costacat

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
NONE of the "younger folks" I know talk like this. In fact, no one I know talks like this.

I have yet to find a single redeemable quality in Robert.

Tater

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 10:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There is one Costa, he loves his little girl.

And I really don't care for him. This is the only thing I could dig up. ooops. He's the one that digs!

Nanc

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So, spwisc are you saying it's okay to say bad names as long as it's behind their back?

I guess it's okay to say the *N* word as long as it is behaind a black person's back then?

Also, as far as both sexes saying nasty terms about the other sex, I don't care what anyone says, it is just more hurtful and hateful when a guy does it. It has to do with the old male dominance thing.

Justboredwbb4

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 11:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I do not know Robert as a person outside of this house. Hopefuly he does respect woman more in reality and this place is just driving him crazy.
With that thought and with seeing him on the show and with my own personal opinion I would think if he loved his daughter as well as respecting her than he would not refer to woman that way. To me respect and love go hand in hand. She and her friends may be watching. She was old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. If she and or her friends are or were watching the live feeds she must be totally embarassed and not very proud of her Dad. I only hope that if she or her friends watched live feeds it would be monitored.
But, as it goes none of us "know" Robert and can claim anything on him that goes on his personal life.
But, in this show I cannot stand him. He makes my skin crawllllll

Spwisc

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Your confusing me with Erika, Nanc. I don't say stuff like ••••••• Korean, or the N word. I love diversity! It's what makes this word interesting and fun. If my opinions were the same as yours, wouldn't this be a boring board to visit?

It doesn't make a difference who calls who what, and if it's behind their back or to their face. Erika knows she's an intellegent, strong, beautiful person inside and out.

This is just entertainment, we all have the right to turn it off if it offends us or skip right over a live feed if it has Roberts name on it. Jeez, just don't read it!

Nanc

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ah..spwisc this says Debate thread and that means one debates the topic.

My opinion is that Robert is not an agreeable person and that he has issues with women. My opinion is that it is bad to say those sexually laden degrading words behind someones back as well as in front of them.

It is also my opinion that other women who dismiss this behavior are enablers and are one of the reasons we women still have a long fight on our hands.

This show is entertainment, but this subject matter is serious.

Spyder

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
At first I didn't understand why everyone hated Robert so much. I thought he was a dork, but I totally focused on his love for his little girl, which I found endearing. I have since concluded that Robert has serious issues. It is more than simply being obnoxious.

To his credit, he seems to be trying to improve himself.

Spwisc

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, it is a debate but we must respect others even though they do not agree with our opinion. Otherwise, lurkers that just started posting this season will go back to lurking because what they say gets torn apart and over analyzed.


What do you think this message board can do to help stop verbal abuse of women? Since your passionate about the subject, maybe something you could do to help would be to work in a woman's shelter or a counseling phone line. Maybe you do that already, that's great!

Beruthiel

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This message board can demonstrate that to most people, verbal abuse is hurtful, ignorant, and cruel behaviour. It not only demeans the victim, but also the abuser. If the abuser finds that it works, then the abuser will continue to abuse, and the cycle continues.
Debates such as these are not just forums for the sharing of opinion but also valuable tools for teaching us about each other, and, hopefully learning from each other.
In that respect, this is a very valuable place, because abuse towards each other here is discouraged, and for that I am very thankful, as are most of us, I imagine, or we would not be here.

Kathyb

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 06:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not giving Robert extra credit for loving his daughter. Most parents love their kids - it's natural, not something to be used to make up for atrocious behavior.

Tater

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kathyb, I stand corrected. Since I don't have the honor of having any children, I didn't even think of this. I have a niece and nephew I love to death because it's natural. Thanks for making me think a bit!

See, debates are a good thing!

Karuuna

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 06:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wouldn't say that all parents love their children, so while I personally can't stand Robert, he does deserve credit for loving his daughter, and hopefully helping support her and staying involved with her.

Doesn't mean I don't think he has serious issues. And I think his damning talk and attitude about women will damage his daughter, after all, she'll grow up to be one, and probably identifies with them already. And she has a mom and grandma etc that she loves. So I do hope Robert gets help for his problems. Maybe if he sees all this negative feedback it will be a wake up call for him.

But there are many many parents who beat their children, starve them, torment them or desert them. Apparently it's not natural for everyone to love their children. So while Robert's attitude is pathetic, he can still earn some kudos for those things he gets right, IMO.

Puzzled

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The man who loved his daughter didn't mention her once when he talked about what he would do with the money if he won.

Karuuna

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Puzzled, you are probably right, but we don't know that for sure, do we? We only see what BB decides to show us in those kinds of confessionals.

Twiggyish

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That green is hard to read on my screen.

Puzzled

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Karuuna--you're right, but everyone else talked mostly about what they would do for others. I really think that if he had said he wanted to do something for his daughter, they would have put it in.

Kmjm

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually orange is even harder to read.

One thing that gets me, is that when everyone is trying to figure out why Robert hates women, they look to a woman as a cause- his mother, stepmother or a previous girlfriend. Men don't learn how to be sexist **sholes from women- they learn it from other men. Look to Robert's dad as the reason for his attitudes, don't blame it on a woman!

Kathat

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 08:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am just watching the beginning of the show and I cannot believe how horrible, disrespectful and degrading Robert is to women. Just because they beat him and out strategize him they are wh...s and b....s. He has a daughter and I pray to God her mom turns this off if she starts to watch it. How sad for that little girl!

Now I know why he has cheated and lied to every girlfriend - because he has no regard for them. And he was telling Ally how he cannot stand people to lie and be fake and how he just cannot do it...give me a break.

Brotherman

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 01:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He's probably the LEAST deserving of any of the jury-eligible houseguests. If he gets a miracle and wins HOH, he will be insufferable, and if he gets a huge miracle and gets to the final two, he could probably beat Jun or Ali, maybe even Erika.

Costacat

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If, by some miracle, he wins BB4, then yes, he "deserved" to win. As to whether I agree with that assessment, nope! Robert is the one houseguest that I most sincerely hope does NOT win. He is also the one houseguest about whom I fervently hope he does not win HOH.

If Robert makes it to the final two against one of the women, Robert could win based on his X Factor and Three Stooges alliance. He'd have Justin, Jee, and Dana voting for him. I'm not sure who the fourth vote might be (could be Nathan). I think it would all depend on who he was up against.

Catfat

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 01:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Are we deciding that Robert doesn't deserve to win just because he is unattractive, crude, gross, foul-mouthed, and sort of creepy? Maybe he needs it more than anyone.
Just a suggestion, I don't necessarily think so.

Costacat

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 03:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No Catfat. Brotherman started a thread called "Does Robert Deserve to Win?". I responded to that thread, and it got moved over here.

And I did say that if he does win, he would've deserved it. As to whether I would like it or not, well, no, I wouldn't!

Gina8642

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 03:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see Dana voting for Robert over Jun. It doesn't make any sense. Dana was always more loyal to Jun than the Jee3. The single thing Jun every did to Dana was make a slightly unkind good-bye speech. Immediately following that Dana said in her final words interview she wanted Jun to win, so Dana showed she wasn't bothered by the good-bye.

Bracken

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 03:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert doesn't deserve to win BB, unless of course, but some strange twist of fate he does win, because he cracks under pressure and doesn't come through to win the important challenges. He is definitely there because of Justin and Jee right now. Or should I give Erika the credit, because if she had not been dumb enough to date this piece of human waste, he wouldn't be on the show in the first place.

That said, he is probably without equal in terms of his obnoxious behavior. Even Scott did not come close to the level of anger and hatred this man exhibits.

If anybody has seen Chris Rock's show, (HBO Special -- think it's called Bigger and Blacker)
There is a segment in it where he explains that he has heard people say to him "I take care of my kids." And Chris says, they act like you should congratulate them for this -- you are supposed to take care of/support your kids." Why do they think this is a big deal? If you don't support your kids you are useless.

So Robert found someone who was willing to bear his child, for this we should excuse his despicable behavior and childish reactions to anything detrimental to "Robert." No way I say!

He is inexcusable as a houseguest. He does not belong on television at all. If his comments were racial rather than misogynistic, black leaders would be calling for a boycott.

CBS was really scraping the bottom of the barrel with him. It is disgraceful that he earns $750 a week to spew this garbage.

Perhaps he can use his stipend money for psychological treatments. I predict a long future in therapy for Robert.

Fabnsab

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think if you win, you deserve it. There is no tried and true method of winning this game. Lying low may be a method for some and being everyones best friend might work for others. If you make it to the end and get voted the winner, you did something right.

It's not about winning competitions, its about not getting voted out and if you can accomplish that till the end, you deserve it.

That all said- GOD, i hope Robert doesn't win!!!