Archive through August 11, 2003
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Archive through August 11, 2003
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:32 pm     Jack is somewhat deluded.. the other day he told Nate if Nate wants his virgin, he'd better find her before he comes to California. Then today he's telling Nate he needs to come to LA and that Erika's agent will surely hook Nate up with some jobs and then says that he's sure Erika will be hooking up with DAVID out of the house. Isn't David about 12 years younger than Erika? Jack has had some of the funnier lines this year but unfortunately some get repeated way too often.. like "counting polka dots" or the countless times he's referred to Erika cleaning in her bikini.. or not in her bikini. And he definitely doesn't read people well when he is trying to convince someone of his point of view in the game. As for keeping him in the house, could be dangerous but I would think it is nice to have someone who isn't a dramaqueen. |
Gina8642 | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:41 pm     lol Sea - I heard that Convo - I believe he meant hooking up with David in the sense that they would be friends outside the house, not in the other way of thinking about it. I also think Erika probably does have better contacts than Robert. She's done some commercials, her manager managed to get her this gig. She's no hot star, but she does get some work. Her agent would probably be as good of a place for Nate to start as any other. Robert seems to me to be all hot air, I could be wrong, but that is my impression. |
Scorpiomoon | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:43 pm     Katlady53 said: "He is so far above all the rest of the HG's in every respect." The thing is, look at the people we are comparing Jack to. Yeah, compared to the other hgs--the majority of whom have proven to be internally ugly and disgusting human beings--Jack comes out looking like the greatest guy ever. But, IMO, the passiveness, the occasional witty remark and his FBI schtick have gotten really, really old. Yes, he's more "fun" to watch than the others. But that's not saying much. |
Omegabubbles | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:56 pm     To answer a former question, I believe Jack is divorced but still shares house with x wife. Is that right? |
Draheid | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 10:03 pm     Omegabubbles: From the TV Show Summaries: Episode #11 - Wednesday, July 30th Quote:Pat: (Jack's ex-wife) I think that if Jack were up against anybody in the final two that he'd win. Jack and I have an unusual relationship. We were divorced in the year 2000 but we have not been apart for one single day. We have 3 beautiful daughters, (shot of Jacks family) and we're very content right now with the way things are. (Shot of Jack talking to Nathan saying: I can relate to you because my kids are your age) The fact that he's so much older than everyone else could play against him. (Shot of Jun asking Jack if he'd ever had a threesome)
Note: I believe the part about not being apart a single day is relative to living together although his job likely took him away from home on occasion. |
Omegabubbles | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 11:39 pm     ty dra |
Xarph | Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 12:44 am     Jack's Wife is a poster on this board. She uses the user name, Mademoiselle. She has, among other things, answered the question relative to their divorce. The short story is that they still live together as man and wife. The divorce is a legal mask for something or other. |
Creampuff | Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 02:34 am     Jack is doing just fine! As far as I can see anyway. I'll accept his more original, creative remarks more readily than the immature prattle by some of the more seemingly know-it-alls in the house. I still maintain that Jack doesn't appear to me to have a compelling need to babble and I won't be surprised in the least if he suddenly makes a move when the time is right. I don't think there is any way that he hasn't given a great deal of thought, as well as pre-planning, to his strategy! I would also be very surprised if he is just playing this 'off the top of his head' with no prior planning. To me that would seem sort of out of character for him. |
Maris | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 05:05 am     I have listened to Jack and now I know who he really is. On the feeds he has told the children that he has worked with the Olympics, was in NY on 9/11 and last night he said he worked on the Patty Hearst case. Jack is the Forrest Gump of the reality tv world. |
Csnog | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 06:17 am     Jack's problem is that he has "no one" to talk to. He is the only one in his age bracket. If BB had just put 1 or 2 older people in the house I think we would have heard some interesting and witty conversations. Instead he has kept himself in check most of the time. Could we do that? |
Maris | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 07:22 am     Age has nothing to do with how interesting a person you are. I find Jack just as boring as the other houseguests and I am not blaming them for the fact that he is boring. I dont blame him for how boring they are. He is dull. If he had been involved in the Patty Hearst case, I should think he would have more interesting things to say than she married her bodyguard. Where are the stories about the SLA? Working on the olympics, the most he can say is those guys really work out hard. He bores me just like the others do and you could fill the house with 12 59 year olds and he would be just as boring. Age doesnt guarantee that you are a better person or more interesting. |
Buggles | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 08:05 am     I'm sure that Jack can be *extremely* interesting and relate his FBI accounts in a detailed & sophisticated way, just as he has surely done in his meetings with FBI Director Louis Freeh... but it's clear to me that he's trying to stay on the same level as the HGs to the extent possible, without coming across as fake, and I think he is doing a BRILLIANT job of it. He seems to have most people here 'fooled' as well I do agree that he seems to have some difficulty reading the HGs at times (clearly a lack of experience hanging with this type of peeps) but I think he's doing a magnificent job of blending in, all things considered... BRAVO Jack I say!!!  |
Maris | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 08:23 am     Ah so I need to add to his list of places he has been Meetings with Louis Freeh. I wonder if his next revelation is that he blew open the case against Robert Hanssen. Dang that Jack gets around. |
Costacat | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 08:43 am     Yup, I'm with Maris on this. Supposedly, he had this long career with the FBI. Why doesn't he talk about any of the things he's done? So what if he doesn't have anything "in common" with the others? They all have a sense of humor. They all like to talk. Some of them even like to listen. I'm sure if he started telling a story about something (Patty Hearst, a stake-out gone awry, whacky people he's collared, whatever...) the others would listen. What bothers me about Jack (well, aside from the boring thing) is that he puts himself at the others' level. So when he's talking with any of the young boyz, he's talking young boy stuff. Now I know some of those young boyz have a smidgeon of intelligence (although it may be hiding under years of disuse). I think this is a big mistake. Jack will NEVER be one of those boyz. I think he should just accept it, get over it, and start acting like a real person. I think Jack chooses to go the "there isn't anyone here with whom I can relate" route and I think it's a mistake. So he's lasted this long? Big deal. The only reason he has is cause a) the pawns have gone while some targets have stayed; b) emotional baggage was evicted/expelled. All of the above is my opinion. You, of course, are entitled to your own. |
Boberg | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 08:58 am     Being from the South myself (as Jack is), proper manners say you don't set around talking about yourself unless you are asked questions about yourself or career. These young hampsters are so self absorbed they very seldom ask anyone questions about anything that doesn't involve them and their self interest. IMHO that is why we haven't heard interesting FBI stories from Jack. Now on whether Jack is smart or not..I think that is yet to be seen..if Jack makes a move this week to secure himself in the final3 (like get HOH) or starts using some successful manipulating techniques, then he may start to look brilliant to us. If, on the other hand, he keeps doing his Elmer Fudd imitation, then I will be seriously concerned about the caliber of people that are in the FBI. Ditto Costacat's last, very small print line. |
Buggles | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 10:13 am     Opinions are good Hope no one minds mine either! I don't think Jack is trying to *pretend* he's 23, he acknowledges that he's a lawyer & a long-term vet of the FBI. He's just trying to present this in the most casual, non-threatening way possible. As far talk re sexual escapes goes, the HGs *love* that he's 'gotten raw' with them I think he's striking a really nice balance... perhaps erring a bit too much on the 'nice guy' (Elmer Fudd?) side but it's tough to say. If he presented himself as more 'savvy' the way Erika does, people would judge him differently than her because everyone knows he's FBI. I don't mean this as a put-down in any way, but a savvy male FBI guy & a savvy female pilates instructor will be seen in different lights by relative strangers. Of course, that doesn't mean that their skills/intelligence will translate effectively into this house as we all know..... trying to discern these perceptions & realities are what this game is all about!  |
Lancecrossfire | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 10:42 am     Well, Jack doesn't have much choice about the "level" he communicates, or what he talks about. He's the odd man out. Have some guy show up at a baby shower talking about hunting and fishing and see how long it is before the women want him to leave. Jack has to find a way to relate to these "kids" (in comparison to him, they are kids) Many of their activites involve doing things Jack was fighting against as a law enforcement officer. So, he has to try and find a middle ground where he can get some kind of acceptance from them, or he would be out much faster than is already planned. He seems to have something in the works as we speak--he has to do something, or face elimination. For those not fans of Jack, I wonder if you would complian either way--if you would say he wasn't doing anything if he took no other steps, and complain about what he is trying to do now. With some folks you just can't win. AR sets up someone who is so completely different than the rest. Kent, Gerry, and now Jack. So far Jack is doing better than the other two did at trying to relate to them in some manner--being boring included. He isn't there to entertain us--he's there to try and stay in the house as long as possible |
Thunder | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 10:43 am     So you want Jack to spout off FBI stories all day long? But didn't we all snooozzzee through Roddy's storytelling last year? Didn't every LFP have zzzzzzz in brackets next to Roddy's name? Weren't his pontifications of his life experiences repeatedly described on this very board as "Roddy pontificating?" Jack is a BB fan who probably felt the same way. Maybe this is why he's keeping it light. He's trolling...throwing out tidbits and if anyone asks him to go deeper, he may do so. Unfortunately, we will never know because Rob, Chip, and Ernie, Mary-Kate and Ashley haven't asked him for more detail on his experiences other than who married who and what colour were their nails. |
Maris | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 10:53 am     quote: For those not fans of Jack, I wonder if you would complian either way--if you would say he wasn't doing anything if he took no other steps, and complain about what he is trying to do now. With some folks you just can't win. Unquote I am not sure what you are asking, but it seems you are implying that he has taken some steps. I havent seen him do anything to further his cause. He alligned himself with Erika and David and then sat down. I am not a fan of Jacks but then I am not a fan of any of the Houseguests and I think I am an equal opportunity criticizer. Where I question the Fans is this seemingly (to me) blind acceptacne that this guy is a sleeping Giant waiting to wake up. I have seen no indication of it, certainly not in any one of the competitions. I would ask also what is Jack trying to do now? He doesnt seem to have a plan other than sleep his way to the final three. So I would disagree with the analysis that with some folks you cant win. Some folks just want to see some gameplay and this folk hasnt seen it yet. |
Costacat | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 11:40 am     Thunder, there's a world o' difference between pontificating and story-telling. I'll take story-telling any time. I think Jack *could* strike a balance between sounding like a 15 year old and boring the heck out of the HGs. I don't see him trying so often. I mean, they do have something in common, even if was on different sides of the law. And oh, yeah, what Maris said. He really has just set up an alliance and sat back and waited. And waited. And meantime, we are waiting to see something. Anything. A flicker of strategy. A sighting of gaming. Anything. If I saw Jack actually DO anything that indicated he was playing the game (rather than sitting there and letting the game play him), I'd be one of the first to stand up and clap. Unfortunately, my clapper is getting rusty these days. All of the above is my opinion. Yours is yours. |
Jubale | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 11:47 am     Me too Costacat! I like Jack but it's time for him to get off the couch, pot, whatever... and get on with it. No more Mr. Nice Guy!  |
Lancecrossfire | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 12:14 pm     Well, if Jack trying to get Jun into an alliance and have her talk to jee to join in isn't a bold step, or at least some kind of step, then nothing is. |
Puzzled | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 12:20 pm     Jack knows that everything he says is being taped. Suppose he went into detail about a case like the Patty Hearst mess--the media would be all over it, twisting his words and trying to manufacture a sensational scandal. He really would be an idiot to put himself in that position. As to 9/11 and other cases he might have been on, there are almost certainly security issues, too, that could land him in deep hot water. The less said, the better. |
Wendo | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 12:23 pm     Lancecrossfire, too bad it was such a misfire since Jun just spilled his entire plan to Robert and Justin (with Jee in the room.) Another clear sign that he's unable to read the house properly or know how tight the Jee3 clan is. |
Costacat | Monday, August 11, 2003 - 12:23 pm     Puzzled, those were examples. I'm sure there are things he could talk about without putting anyone's privacy or the nation's security at risk. Names CAN be changed to protect the innocent. I will forever believe that he's one of those who float in the middle of the stream, rather than fighting the current along the banks. |
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