Robert's Debate Thread
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These threads are to debate your opinions pro and con of the character of the Houseguests. Keep in mind that we are discussing the one named characters being portrayed in an artificial environment, keep the real life person out of it, we don’t truly know the real people. If you choose to defend a favorite houseguest in one of these threads don’t let yourself get emotionally hammered. Every houseguest has at least one defender who can emotionally detach themselves, if you can’t do that, stay out of these threads. No bashing of fellow posters will be tolerated. Language standards will be enforced. These are not complete free-fire zones and vile posts will be moderated.
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Earthmother | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 04:07 pm     Catfat, I think the reason most people don't want Robert to win is that he really hasn't played the game. He has skirted through this many days on the coattails of Jee and Justin. Jee is in the postition he is right now because of Robert lacking the skills to win comps and help out his allience. Robert has been handed the POV twice, but never really won anything on his own. Jee wins when necessary to protect himself and Robert. Everyone in this game so far has made alliences with others when they needed to for survival except Robert. He just sat back and let his buddies keep him alive. |
Costacat | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 04:10 pm     You know, $750 a week is really peanuts. If someone made this amount for the year, the gross earnings would only be $39,000. That's not a wholel of money. Of course, earning $750 a week for doing pretty much nothing obviously has appeal to some people. Robert included. However, I don't think the net he will make (remember, it's subject to state, local, and federal taxes, so he may actually take home only about $20K for three months of work) probably wouldn't buy enough "psychological treatments" to convert him to (in my opinion) may be a decent and caring human being. (And I'm so not gonna touch that daughter thing cause, like, hello! she's your kid! you're supposed to love her and take care of her!) |
Texasdeb | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 04:15 pm     I agree with everyone that Rob is only still around because of Jee & Justin playing as hard as those 2 did. But, if Rob makes final 2 he deserves to be there. The others let it happen. The only way IMO Rob could win the $500g is if he is final 2 with Ali. Rob may very well be playing for the $50g. |
Bracken | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 04:38 pm     I agree Costa, $750 wouldn't get me to leave the house, but it is alot to many people who work hard for their money. I just think that being paid any amount of money to sit around and be this hateful and degrading is a waste. Let's not forget that CBS is making a bundle on us watching this show. If Robert were an actual character (which he is actually) on a scripted show, it would have been yanked long ago. I do agree that whoever wins deserves it. Too bad BB has taken that decision out of our hands. Then we would see some real debates about our favorites. Now I'm wondering what happened to America's Choice. Was that just a one time deal? |
Sheilaree | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 05:17 pm     h*** No he doesn't deserve to win. I hope someone elese wins. Or maybe they will default and give the money to charity |
Seamonkey | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 05:18 pm     If Robert had won HOH every other week and Veto the whole time, but still acted the way he does and talked the way he does.. I still wouldn't be happy if he won BB .. |
Ladytex | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:00 am     Robert Rules Big Brother ROFL ... |
Prisonerno6 | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 02:07 pm     No wonder the boy is hyper. I just realized how much caffeine and sugar in the form of Pepsi he consumes. |
Rslover | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 01:32 pm     Robert may shed crocodile tears when he speaks of his daughter but he is full of beans. He was the only one who gave such a shallow answer when asked what he would do if he won the money. He mentioned a fancy sports car. Didn't even mention doing something for his daughter. He never won anything, dissed women in general (nice example for his daughter) and was always picking his nose. I will DIE if he wins! |
Denecee | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 01:38 pm     LOL, Rslover, we will die if he doesn't win too! You know the whole death & taxes thing? |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 02:49 pm     Rslover, I think he was kidding.  |
Niceguy | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:43 am     Robert can't focus. That may be obvious by now but he just can't focus outside himself. He doesn't seem to have an internal coach pushing him. Not even talking to his daughter stirs this guys blood. I want to find something admirable about the guy but he just disappoints. |
Gidget | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 11:30 am     Robert clearly has some kind of nervous disorder. I was just at the America's choice thread and everyone was going on and on about the nose picking. Have some compassion people. Robert does not pick his nose to pick his nose. He is manifesting some sort of nervous tic. He does all kinds of face touching. As for his calling women bad names, a lot of guys do this when they are bested by a woman. A lot of guys. They just don't get caught on camera. The locker room is alive and well. I don't like it but it is a fact. I wish Robert would have had the constraint to hold back those comments but he didn't. And regarding his inflated ego. What is wrong with believing in yourself? So he's a fame junky. He is definitely not alone in that area either. Robert would not have been my first choice to win BB but now that we are down to the final 3, I want Robert and Jun in the money. |
Bastable | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:26 pm     The folks over on the British BB boards (Channel 4) have taken to calling Robert "Rat." |
Gidget | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 09:57 pm     What were Robert and the mother of his child thinking when they allowed her to be featured to the extent she has been on BB. CBS must be reeling. Not to mention AS. Talk about exploitation taking an ugly turn. If the internet is a buzz about calling the child a female dog it is very likely it will be picked up in other media as well. Many terrible things have been said and done on BB over the past 4 seasons but maligning an innocent child so viciously is the icing on the cake. I do not see good things coming of this. THIS could kill live feeds. |
Juiceman | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:22 pm     I noticed CBS was good enough to not allow her name to be mentioned. I really disagreed with having her on camera for the phone call. I could tell that the crew (and I heard this really happened) was crying and getting upset before 'meme' could even start talking. Thus making her upset herself Honestly I thought Jun reached all-time lows by painting Jack as a creepy sex pervert but attacking a child like that was probably the most disgusting thing Ive seen on ANY reality show and frankly in my own real life. I dont even compare this to Rob blurting out stupid 'hip-hop' phrases ( and hoes) to the guys. Jun does this with premeditation and no regret that I can see. Very sick and I agree Gidget - this might just make them rethink airing anything live anymore and nothing good can come of this. |
Wendo | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:30 pm     Gidget, you know, when they first showed Rob's daughter on the show it made me uncomfortable. I'm not judging Rob or his ex. However, I would not allow my seven year old to be put on tv. Like you, if felt like exploitation. |
Beruthiel | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:33 am     Hear hear to that, Wendo. |
Boberg | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 05:20 am     Juiceman did you mean Ali when you said Jun? I thought it was Ali that called the child a name or have I missed something? |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 05:20 am     If his dream of buying a Porsche Carrera was a joke.. well he very emphatically repeated in his America's choice chat that he MUST have one. He did admit the second Rolex isn't necessary. I thought it was Ali who labelled Elena a "b*tch" and seems to have repeated that very unfortunate characterization last night. (some insight may come from Ali and Jun agreeing that they didn't really mind Robert calling them b*tches but did object to him using tramps and slvts and wh0res) |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 07:23 am     Calling a small child a vicious name is pretty vile. But 'killing the live feeds'? I doubt it. Frankly I'm not shocked in the least by Ali's name calling. She does this on reflex to everything. Mimes, children, inanimate objects, it doesn't matter. I think for the BB crew, this is just Ali being Ali. I doubt they've taken much notice. They might edit in to the show - anything for ratings!!! |
Spear | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 10:53 am     Boberg and Seamonkey, it looks like both Ali and Jun used "b*tch" yesterday; first Ali, then later, Jun at night (see Sbeachy's 9:15PM LFP). |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:00 pm     I'm glad the Robert is gone. I'm glad Jun called him on underestimating women. I'm glad Alison called him on his threats. I'm glad Robert has had to eat his words about 'the girls' hating each other too much to join together. I'm glad Julie asked him about 'did he think Alison was being fake' - he thinks she wasn't? Rob - get a clue!!!! This guy has been duped from the beginning of the game to the end. The only reason they kept him was because he was the least threatening of the Jee3 - all which proved to be true. He claims he's good at talking to people - yet Jun & Ali's BS radar was working just fine and they didn't believe a word of it. He claims to be persausive - but I never saw him persuade anyone of anything sucessfully enough to get his way. (Yeah, he got Erika put up twice, but still couldn't get her evicted.) I hope he'll learn a lesson about treating women poorly, about not using threats to try to get your way in life, about how poor of a BS artist he truly is... - I doubt he will, but I can hope! Good riddence to Rob!! I still cried when he got to hug Elena. I'm very glad the producers let them reunite tonight rather than next week. I don't think a 7 year old can ruin his vote. I hope he gets to spend some real time with her in the next week. It is obvious that they adore each other. |
Mpls | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:22 pm     I don't like Rob mainly for many of the reasons mentioned throughout this thread. But the one thing that turned me on him was very early in the game when many, many of the live feed posters commented on a conversation between Nathan, Justin, Jack and Rob. The conversation was about whether they would let their daughters date a Black male. Nathan was more vocal, but it was reported that Rob said he absolutely would not allow it either. As an Af-Am male I am horribly offended by that attitude of Rob's. Yes everyone is entitled to their feelings, but I have always had problems with people of other ethnicities who come into this country and have an inherent prejudice about Black men. I've also always wanted to say, I am sick of hearing that Rob is such a good father. I don't see that as something to praise him for, that is what the hell he is supposed to be. That mentality of portraying him as a super father is promulgated by a society that sees too many men shirking their duty. Rob is not a hero for being a good dad, just like I am not. I am doing my job. I was a part of bringing my kids into this world. So it is my responsibility to love and to raise them as responsible, contributing humans. |
Dee | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:34 pm     To the very end, Robert was clueless. He said he was absolutely positive he was staying - he had such a good feeling. He was evicted. After he left, Ally and Jun were celebrating that he was gone yet after Robert watched the "farewell" tapes, he said he knew they were being sincere. Poor guy - he hasn't a clue. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:40 pm     I really got a clue about Robert when his parents spoke about him. You can tell that his father is ultra critical of him and does not have a high opinion of him. My heart ached for him as I listened- and considering my negative feelings about him that is saying a lot. So much of who we are is formed as a reflection in our parent's eyes. Now I am off to tuck my Zachy in and make sure, as usual, that he know how I feel about him and that he will always have my love and support. |
Lostintheglades | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:28 am     You said it very well mpls...thanks  |
Missapril | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:48 am     Rob is putting his daughter through, to his way of telling it, a pretty traumatic experience - he isn't 'there' for her to see and talk to and be comforted by. All for the chance to win some dough. How can anyone conceivably reconcile his non-stop claims to love his daugher or the blind assumption by so many that he's a good dad based on his choosing a selfish pursuit like this (it's not like he's serving his country in the military or traveling on a job or doing much of anything for anyone but himself, after all) over his duty to his daughter? Not saying yuo can't be on BB and be a good parent, just saying - emphatically - that you CAN'T whine about how this experience is not a good one for you or your child, tell the world that your being on BB is causing your child some trauma and upset to the point Robert would have us believe, and in the same breath maintain that you love your child above all else and that you are a uniquely dedicated and excellent parent. Rob's full of it and I think his dad, of all people, probably has the best perspective on just who he is and what kind of man - and father - he really is. His father's lack of real respect and regard for his son is more likely than not well deserved. |
Rslover | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:55 am     Rob may get a new gig - as poster boy for the ocd drugs! |
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