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Gina8642

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
TY Wendo - I really don't know why I keep trying to be the voice of reason. LOL People prefer tp be outraged. LOL

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We must protect the children. They are the future, you know. If you can't understand this, F-off and die, meanie!

Coffee

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know what was said about Gerry's children last year - nothing like this. And what did BB do - gave them a scholarship. You have no way of knowing if Elena will be harmed or not.

This has nothing to do with children and reality shows - this has to do with hurting a child.

Pixieduster

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Do you think Ali in her pageant days would ever have used the words, gay, flamer, fa**ot, b**tch, etc.? I'm sure she absolutely knew better and never made any derogatory, racist or rude comments. So I doubt that she's "ignorant."

If Julie asked her about those comments, she'd back off so fast or most likely say something like, "Well I really didn't like them so I had nothing nice to say about them." Or she'd excuse it away by saying it was a game...however, at this point it's no longer game or strategy. Obviously I can't put words in her mouth - but I think she knows exactly what's she doing and that it would be considered wrong.

But would she own up to it and apologize? I can't see her doing that.

Chippy

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems that even Jun didn't get the question and she was there. LOL.

Sunrisedd

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I did say 'asking for money, not receiving it as a gesture or a gift..BIG difference. Alison is old enough to be giving her parents 'gifts' especially if she had made a lot of money as in BB4.

Coffee

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, you quoted it right. My reference was to Cliotheleo's remark of being given money. I mentioned that Ali was talking of asking her father for money.

I agree it should be Ali giving her parents gifts if she won money. She is not giving any to charity so she should at least spend some on family. I can't understand why she would think of asking her dad for money.

Wendo

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pixieduster, of course she's ignorant. Any person using such words is. They could have degrees from Yale AND Harvard and if they use such words, they're ignorant.

Moderator

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The above 6 posts were moved here from the "Memorable BB4 HBs Quotes" Thread and were in response to this:
Sunrisedd Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 07:53 pm

A: If I win this money do you think its wrong if I ask my dad for money?

J: For what?

A: He gives me 20 dollars sometimes.

I am speechless. Any comments?


Please keep the debate in the debate thread and out of the more 'specialized' threads.

Thank you

<Mod>

Monalisahi

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To be perfectly honest, I don't think Elena will be harmed by these remarks. BUT, I do believe that Ali and Jun's words went way past the normal boundaries of acceptable behavior. I don't think there can be any legitimate explanation for their words. I can't imagine why any adult would be so intimidated by a child that would cause them to resort to such behavior.

If there were to be a lawsuit, I would think Jack would have the best case for slander. And although I believe there are too many litigations today, I think Jun and Ali could and should be taught a lesson. I find it hard to believe that CBS had a contract which would leave all hg's free to do whatever they chose with no chance of legal recourse.

Wendo

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ronald E. Smith, Lawyer.

I see him on my late night tv. Jack could call him!

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack should call Roddy. He could confuse any jury.

Bastable

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 09:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali, puh-leeeeeeeeeeze stop talking about Donnie every stinking minute of the day!

Juiceman

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Could the two or three people (you know who you are) PLEASE stop scoffing and rolling your eyes at anyone who has a complaint about Jun or Alison!

The Mods have deleted comments like crazy and although YOU three are so sophisticated and/or jaded to be bothered- - Keep in mind many others are STILL interested in it!

ALSO -

WHile Im not a lawyer, I know this much: There is a HUGE distinction between insults, name-calling, etc VS falsely accusing someone of a crime!

You can call people '•••••••' '•••••••' buzzard crotches etc etc HOWEVER you can NOT publically state and suggest that they have committed an actual criminal offense (like stalking with sexual intent).

Well... you 'can' but you can also be sued for doing so.

second - ONLY a JUDGE can waive anyones rights. You may sign a contract agreeing to waive your rights with CBS lawyers but do NOT expect any judge to acknowledge that.

Im not suggesting any of this will actually happen with Jack and Jun/Alison but its a perfectly legitimate 'theory' to be bandied about.

DO NOT bother replying with yet another scoffing smirky reply like 'ya well ..whats next, sueing Jack for his Dana comment yuk yuk'

I wouldnt mind if Moderators here would delete as many posts from the scoffers and 'please get off the alison topic' people.

Why do they get to post smart-alec comments at others?
Because they are in favour of less Jun and Alison critisism?

Wendo

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, yes, Juiceman. Let's keep it serious.

On to your post! I don't recall Jun or Ali accusing Jack of a crime? Anyone else?

Actually, Jack admitted to stalking his wife before he met her. (Just thought I'd clarify that.)

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know if only a judge can waive someones rights. (Though I've never heard that.) Perhaps a lawyer can post what they know. (Although, many people find lawyers offensive and considering the tone of the board lately...well...)

As I posted earlier (though my post seems to have disappeared in the chunk that went poof!), many said the same thing about Gerry and Lisa's comments about him. As we know, nothing happened. (And, Lisa won to boot!)

As to your comments and questions regarding moderation, contacting them via this email address, moderator@tvclubhouse.com will probably illicit a quicker answer.

Juiceman

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont really know either and that is why I would like to hear from another laywer on this.

Contacting moderators will probably not elicit a sufficient answer since they are the problem to start with.

(ok ok.. 'some' mods are. not all)

Monalisahi

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, I believe child molestation is a crime in every state.

And btw, I don't think Jack would actually sue, I just wish he would.

Wendo

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Monalisahi, uhm, I'm aware that child molestation is a crime.

However, as I stated, I don't recall at any point where Jun or Ali accused Jack of being a child molestor.

Nexell2

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a question. Was Jack called a child molestor or a pervert? Also, does anybody recall what Lisa called Jerry last year?

Wendo

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nexell, I thought it was pervert. As to Gerry and Lisa, I honestly don't recall what she called him.

Juiceman

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 12:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I want to share a quick story.

A few years ago a child serial killer shared the same last name as I (no relation).

Where I worked, some very vindictive young women started a 'running joke' about me being a 'child molester' and a 'rapist'
(a big 'ha-ha' to them i guess)

You probably know all about rumours spreading and growing and thats what naturally happened.

Long story short - things came to a front when I quit that job and applied at new one.
On my first night I overheard a few staff members commenting 'I heard that guy is some kind of child rapist"

The next day I notified the original two women (and any others in that workplace) that if I heard ANY more comments I would be contacting a lawyer and beginning legal actions.

That rumour still floated around for over a year.

If you dont think this kind of talk can seriously ruin Jacks life then think again.

I went through hell and it hurt me financially, not to mention socialy (try getting a date with that story going around!)

If anyone has any actual quotes regarding Jack being accused. Please post them.

Im just going to assume that Jack and his FBI experience will know exactly how to take care of this.

Nexell2

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 12:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I still want to know if Jack was called a child molestor or a pervert?

Gingerluv

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 12:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If I remember correctly Jack was called a pervert by both Jun and Alison on a few different occasions.

Here's a reference to the other as taken from the live feeds on this board:

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 07:13 pm

Jun relates some dream about Jack being a child molester. Says it is all Ali's fault.

Ali - You can't even tell me he doesn't look like a molester.

Nexell2

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 12:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If it was only a dream Jun had, why is everyone saying Alison called Jack a child molester? I just don't get that at all.

Coffee

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 12:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali called Jack a child molester more than one time. I am not certain how it was phrased though so if anyone knows it would be great. I will try and see if I can find it or not too.