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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Jury- Poor sports and Hypocrites: Archive through September 27, 2003

Chippy

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 04:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's your opinion. Some disagree. No biggie.

Hummingbird

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 05:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I loved this BB finale. I loved the confrontations and the way the two winners squirmed in their seats in front of the nation as they found out what everyone thought of them. Good reality TV!

Magicjet

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 06:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Guinevere, I could not agree with you more. You really hit the nail on the head.

Monalisahi

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 06:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I still don't know what was THAT bad about what Robert said, unless I missed something. Can somebody please tell me?

Coffee

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert called Jun and Ali three names over and over again. Not close to what they said about Robert but pretty close to what they called his daughter.

It was not only Robert that Jun and Alison lied about - they did that to other hgs too but for some reason they really called Robert down and with much worse words that Robert used. Like I said before if Jun and Ali were men something would have been done by BB, especially with talk about bashing his head in and drowning him in the tub, etc.

Seanflynn2003

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 11:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Coffee, when did either Jun or Alison seem to be ready to commit physical violence on other HGs?
The only times BB intervened was when Justin held a knife to (Kristin?;s) throat and when Scott threw chairs in the direction of other HGs.
Please cite either examples of when BB took action against men for what you say these 2 women did OR examples of what the women did compared to what caused BB to take action.
If you can;t, your statement about gender favoring of the 2 women holds no merit.

Guinevere

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 11:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Monalishi, Robert is a mysoginist. If one doesn't have a problem with hating women, then maybe it doesn't seem "THAT bad" to constantly refers to women as sl-ts and wh-res, and go on about how all women want is money. Just like if one is a racist, they don't see what is "THAT bad" about throwing the n-word around.

I think it's sad that we live in a society where there is stil so much male-on-female violence, and where calling women sl-ts and wh-res is not seen as all that bad.

Monalisahi

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 12:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Guinevere......calling names is hardly comparable to physical violence.

I've made some comments before along the lines of, "you know how men are," or "that's a man for you," and even worse. But I certainly don't hate men. Calling Ali and Jun names (which they even called themselves and other women in the house) doesn't tell me he hates women. And I even saw him comforting them and offering them praise and words of encouragement....sounds like he really hates them.

I certainly wasn't offended by it. I wasn't even offended by Jee who IMO definitely showed his chauvenistic side.

I didn't even care for Robert, but I didn't get that impression about him.

Was there anything worse than that? As I said, I may have missed something....but if it was just the names, then I say there is no proof that he hates women.

Beruthiel

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 12:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm still wondering why it's worse to call someone Korean than it is to call them almost any other nasty word under the sun.
ANY derogatory epithet is vile, and ethnic slurs aren't necessarily the worst of them, although those are the ones that are jumped on, as we see.
Some of these houseguests showed prejudices against just about every type of person who was not of the same sex, race, religion, sexual orientation, etc., you name it.
It was ALL bigoted rubbish, and I condemn them all equally.

What I also find reprehensible is that CBC hung some houseguests out to dry and twist in the wind while allowing others to get away with metaphorical murder.
That was cruel and spiteful to some and gave credence to the utterings of worse sinners.

Are we allowed to say that by letting Jun and Alison to get off scot free for their viciousness, that CBS might be said to be condoning their prejudices?
Now that's a thought!

BB4 left me with a very bad taste in my mouth, and I'm happy to be able to brush my teeth knowing I won't have to see or hear any of them again unless I actively seek to do so.

I sincerely hope that the producers learn SOMETHING from their casting choices this season.

Markty

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 03:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<<<And you people keep expressing opinions as if they were facts. It's not a fact that what Robert said was "far less cruel and hurtful" than what J&A said. It's an opinion. There is a difference. Why can't you see that? >>>

When Jun and Ali use the SAME EXACT WORDS to describe other houseguests (and their children) and on top of that they add more vile and mean spirited comments (over and over and over again) it is NOT opinion but FACT that what Robert did (coupled with an admission and apology) WAS far less cruel and hurtful.
Its like if Robert had slapped Ali and Jun once each and apologized and Ali and Jun had slapped, kicked, punched, spit on Robert and all the others (without ever apologizing) it would not be an opinion to state that they were ALL WRONG but Ali and Jun were worse.
When Ali and Jun use the same exact words as Robert and then some, you cannot claim its only opinion that they were worse.
They did the same exact thing
minus an apology
plus to more people
plus to houseguests family members
plus on a daily basis
not opinion
fact

Alegria

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 08:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I really enjoyed the final show. It was well done and Ali & Jun's expressions & responses were fun to watch. They really were squirming more than a few times. Considering how the jury absolutely did not want to give prizes to either of them, the group as a whole behave in a very classy manner. It would have been very false and boring if they had behaved differently. Some victories are bittersweet if in the winning a person sacrifices the higher values that add depth to experience and bond people together. Jun can buy her apartment in NY and get back to her life. Ali can buy a car and get back to her life. The rest of the group will move on having made new friends and learned some lessons. Watching it, I could see how bitterness has a very corrosive effect. I always learn from BB :)

Pattie555

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Everyone has a degree of what's right and wrong. Because of our own life's lessons we each see and hear key things that stand out.
Cant we just agree that each houseguest said bad things. Who of us can made the judegement call of who had worse comments, they were all bad.
Yes, they all were poor sports and hypocrites. That is what makes some reality TV shows so good.

Chippy

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 11:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry, but IMO, there are degrees of "bad", "cruel", etc. and I wouldn't agree for a minute that they were poor sports and hypocrites. But, I did enjoy the squirming.

Magicjet

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 01:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe I missed something but I did not see any squirming from Ali and Jun on the final show.

Chippy

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 03:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I did... especially when the jury entered the house, during the vote and after. JMHO.

Maris

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw squiming when Jun said the comment about Ali hopping into bed to try and win. I do not think Jun squirmed at all. I did see her scoff at Ali when she said she was smarter than Jun.

Justin was still my favorite even in the final show.

Chippy

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 04:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did you see her (Jun's) face just after the jury gathered in the living room before settling down on the sofas? She had her tongue going from cheek to cheek- she looked squirmy as heck to me at that point. And, really the whole time she listened to the votes. Her expression didn't even change when that fourth vote assured her of half a million dollars. I was amazed.

Pascalle

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 04:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All I saw was Ali's competition smile when they announced Jun's win. I thought they were both pretty cool cucumbers under the circumstanses.

Helgapataki

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 06:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What do you do when someone annoys you? When you disagree with someone? When someone hurts or offends or just plain pisses you off? You talk about them w/others. We all do it...on this board, as a matter of fact.

Alison and Jun were talking about the other people in the house who affected them in one of the ways above. You can call it vile, mean spirited, spewing, disgusting, hateful or whatever other verb/adjective you choose, but the bottom line is that humans talk about each other.

The words we choose are a product of the region we live in, our age, the media we use, and our vernacular. People take it in different ways when they hear it based on those things.

In every little microcosm of society, it goes on. It is called gossip.

Chippy

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 06:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ahhhhhhhh... human nature?

Nah, I'll stick with mean spirited, vile, disgusting, hateful, and UNNECESSARY. Though I will admit that some people (i.e. Jun/Ali) have it down to a science. I'm thinking that comes with an awful lot of practice.

And, not "everybody does it".

Helgapataki

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, I'll buy that you don't do it, Chippy. So what DO you do when someone pisses you off, annoys you, hurts or offends you?

Do you see any similarity between talking about the HG on this board and them talking about each other?

Cousin_Jake

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 07:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know about Chippy, but .... I usually stick with "So and so is really annoying me - I don't feel I can trust him/her because .... I don't like the way he/she treated ____, I might have thrown in the occasional sotto voice b**ch or p**ck but I sure wouldn't have done it wearing a microphone. I guess I've come to realize that things don't always go my way and if I blew a gasket and badmouthed, cursed out, made verbal threats to everyone who'd ever pissed me off I'd be one big ball of rage - Hell, life's too short. That being said, I don't think people change their personalities all that much over time unless they choose to reflect on their words and actions so I guess all the HGs will just carry on being who we've seen and I'll look forward to next year's crew.

Chippy

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When someone pisses me off, I'm likely to tell them they pissed me off and why OR walk away. I'm not much on mincing words, faking behavior, or talking behind backs. I prefer fronts- kinda like Justin. LOL. And, I really cuss to myself in my car sometimes but I've quit sharing that with complete strangers as they may have a gun under their seat.

As to the similarity of the hg to the posters here? No, I don't see that at all. And, if anyone tried it, they'd get moderated. Maybe the bb house needs TVCH mods in a kind of supervisory position inside the walls or something. LMAO. Hey, they need someone to tell them how to act. Some of them apparently haven't learned how to treat others- yes, EVEN when you're playing a game for half a million dollars.

This years hgs had something the others did not- a safe, private room to spew that they were full well aware was not being shared with the prospective jury (at least until after the vote). That is where they should have spewed. But, even there, IMO, there are lines that don't belong being crossed.

Beruthiel

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 09:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Next year: Electric bracelets that give the HGs a minor shock when they cross the line from being just annoyed to being downright vicious.
It works for training animals!

Watching2

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 09:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFLMAO Beruthiel!! Too funny!! :)