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Crazydog

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 08:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Gvandeli. If Ali wants any hope of trying to get Erika's vote, she should be upfront with her. Simply say, I respect you as an opponent, and I think everyone really likes you and that you would be hard to defeat in the finals. I'm sorry, but either you or Jun have to leave, and the better thing for me to do would be to keep Jun. It's not personal. I wish it wasn't this way, I wish Robert was going instead, but I can't do anything about that.

Instead of, oh, I might keep you, just kiss up to me for a few more days and then I will pretend that it was such a hard decision.

Gvandeli

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 10:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazydog-

I agree. Here's an interesting thought: Suppose Erika is gone and Ali wins HOH next week...who will she evict? I think it's Jun...so she is choosing to keep Jun over Erika just to have a better shot at HOH...I guess Jun better not get too comfortable. I think if Ali wins HOH next week, it's bye-bye Jun. I think Erika needs to impress on Ali that she will take her to the F2...and Ali needs to realize that Erika is in the best position to do that after herself. I still think Erika is toast this week, though.

Meggieprice

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 10:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My issue with Ali is that she does not do "the decent thing to do". It is not in her character, as far as I can tell.

Unless Erika gets a little more assertive about things Jun has said about Ali I think she is gone.

Keiffer

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We complain every year that people do not lead up to evicting a person in some sort of nice way. If they are untrue to them about it then we complain that they are being two faced, and should tell the person straight out that they are voting them off. If the person starts to call the person they are evicting names we come down on them as having no character. I happen to disagree.

For example the Ali situation:
If Ali tells Erika she is voting her out because of some lofty reason such as she fears her in the finals then two things would happen. First Erika go crazy telling everyone anything about the other people in the house, and that coul mess up Ali's game. Second we would give Ali a hard time because she made Erika's last week there miserable. We would say she could have let Erika at least have fun her last week without living with the knowledge that she had already lost.

As for the name calling this is just a normal human thing to do. Whenever we have to do something to a person we really dont want to do we have to make them seem like the bad person in our minds. We start arguments, call names.. whatever it takes to make the other person out to be the bad person in our minds. This just means that she likes Erika, and is unhappy she has to do what she has to do.

Mystery

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 09:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What's this "we" business?

Yoyo

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 10:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I am bummed out. I don't want Ali or Jun to win ~ YUCK!! I think Robert screwed Erika this week by being nice to her and one of those two bimbos will win. I'm not a big fan of his, but at this point I'd rather see him win than them.
I've been rooting for Erika and Jack from the start. Those two are just trash, imo. If either try to make any money out of this afterwards I will not buy whatever they're selling. Frankly, I'd be embarrassed to be related to them.

Jigglywigglyjun

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 10:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yoyo- IMHO Erika deserves to be booted out this week ad I will tell you why...

She was too passive in defeat.. She didn't even attempt to talk to Ali and fight to stay... ShE is not playing the game anymore. I am very disappointed in her.

Geez I wanted Jun to go.... UGH

I never thought I'd be saying this But I want Rob to win HOH and turn those two girls into wild cats pulling each others hair...(a girl can dream can't she?)

Seamonkey

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 11:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm just fine with my Jun colored glasses.. the Erika colored glasses are too dirty for my taste. And god knows most people are already wearing her glasses so she doesn't need me. I'm tired of her voice and her playing to the cameras and her snarking and her know it all attitude about Big Brother and Los Angeles.. she is fairly often dead wrong but that doesn't stop her from answering a question. Too bad she is planning to never watch the tapes of the show, especially the DRs.. I think if she saw her own she might have a bit of a wake up call.

Anyway if it is ok for so many to idolize Erika at any cost, I get to have my favorite.

One will leave tomorrow. I hope it is Erika. Robert is going to go crazier in the next week.. eeek.

As for cracking, Erika has called Jun and Ali
b!tches and FAT PIGS and other terms of endearment so I hope if she can dish it out she can take it if Ali calls her a name.

After her rant about the others talking about her lack of eating and some snarky comments to Jun about "portion control", Erika today told someone that John the producer was also worried that Erika eats so little.

She has been constantly calling Jun a liar and Erika is actually making things up and spreading them.. a la Dani.

If Erika "calls" Jun on agreeing that Ali should go, she'd have to admit that she and Robert were the ones who said it to Jun and Erika has lied all week to Ali, saying she NEVER EVER said that and would never, ever do that. Which would mean Erika also lied to Robert and Jun.

Lies are lies. Lying about lies is just another level. Erika lies with the best so she is not above anyone there.

Jun and Ali have openly discussed their past eating and exercise issues; Erika denies.

When Erika ordered her MickeyD meal she didn't have to order sausage and other meat, that was her choice and seems an odd one.

Odd that some of you are mad that Erika is passive!! Actually she rather actively campaigned to Ali (even though she said she was not campaigning) and had definitely been trashing Jun at every possible chance.

Robert has been relentless in working Ali toward booting Jun and toward keeping him for F2. And while Erika seems to be really tired of listening to Robert, she has also a couple of times ordered him to go talk to or take care of Ali, so she's ok with using him.

Ali DID sit with Erika and Jun and told them that she had a hard choice to make, had alliances with them both and had to make the choice and basically to back off a bit.

When Robert passed along that Ali was getting pissed about some of the campaigning she said she wouldn't talk anymore, but it is hard not to. tonights show finally showed the "hug on bended knees" by Erika right after Ali won POV that Ali and Jun have talked about all week and tonight Robert reported to Erika that Ali was still upset about that as being way over the top.

But, you know.. Ali could go either way tomorrow.

I also think that by being in F4, Erika will get the Playboy offer which could well make her richer than BB.

Night!!

Wendo

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 12:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey, interesting analysis. I have to say, seeing Erika bend down and hug Ali to keep her to stay was a little icky, even though she was joking.

And, I can't say that I've ever heard Ali or Jun wish that Erika would die in some awful way, joking or not. A little surprised by that "blimp crashing into the ground" comment.

Dang, what HG's will say when under pressure. LOL!

Seamonkey

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 12:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bottom line.. no saints in that house..

yeah the Blimp crashing was something I'd expect from someone MUCH younger.

Wendo

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 12:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep, excellent point Seamonkey. No saints in that house.

Philamom

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 03:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, no saints in the house ... and very, very few in the "real" world, either. But there are degrees to everything.

My point is that if I compared a list of all the negative and hateful things that Alison and Erika have said, Ali would win, hands down. Also, Erika occasionally says kind things about people, even in the DR. Ali very rarely has uttered a nice word about anyone.

Ali knows -- or should realize by now, if she's as smart as she keeps saying she is -- that she can't win first place, no matter if she's up against Jun, Erika, or Robert. That being said, she should use her conscious and take the person who most deserves it to the final 3. (LOL, I'm sure there will be a debate about who "most deserves" to be in the final 3, but Erika has been basically loyal and kind to Ali from the start ... at least, more so than Jun has been.) But I don't think Ali has much of a conscious, so, in my opinion, that's why there's no way for Erika to be saved.

Lexie_Girl

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 04:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm pleased to see that I was not the only one that was stunned by Erika's comment about the blimp crashing into the ground. My jaw hit the ground after she made that comment.

Lostintheglades

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 05:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was shocked. I like Erika, but what a dumb thing to say even jokingly. I'm sure Erika will be leaving tonight. If not I will be totally shocked as Ali will have done an amazing job in fooling most of America.

Torch

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 06:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Erica's comment about the blimp crashing was just a normal/natural line of thought that anyone could/would say.

In the live feeds someone mentioned Ali hanging halfway out of the blimp. We saw her head and arm out of the blimp during last nights show when she was waving to Erica and Robert. I wouldn't characterize that as actually hanging out of the blimp, but lots of people exaggerate when talking about things like that.

So, Erica's on the ground seeing Ali's head and arm out of the blimp, what's she going to think? "Don't get carried away and fall out of there."

She would naturally think of Ali falling out, which would mean losing one of her foes. That thought would naturally lead to losing them both, meaning the blimp crashing. The thought which she voiced.

I actually expected her to go on and ask what BB would do if something like that happened. She didn't, which makes me think she herself thought that line of thought too morbid so she said she was just kidding.

If the situation was reversed and either Ali or Jun was on the ground I think either of them would have had the same thought process. I think both might have voiced a similar thought.

Personally I don't think it's a big deal. Erica would have been devastated if she saw Ali fall out or the blimp crash.

In other words she voiced a morbid thought, few of us haven't at one time or another.

Gabbyone

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 06:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was also stunned by Erica's uncalled for comment on the Blimp crashing. I've always liked Erica, until Robert got the HOH, then we began to see a different Erica. I enjoyed reading your analysis Seamonkey and I think you're right on! As for Ali's decision, I think it will be Erica but with Ali one never knows!

I do have one question though, if someone can answer it. I'm having a hard time remembering last years final HOH comp. I remember the key in the pool, of course, but wasn't it a 3 parter? And did it go on for a couple of days? What was the order? TIA

Prisonerno6

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 06:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh good grief. I laughed out loud at the blimp crashing comment, because I thought the same thing. Did I really wish it would crash? No, of course not. After all, the pilot could be a very nice man...

Watching2

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 06:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gabby - Last year there was three parts.

1. Holding key during "storm" in pool. - Lisa & Dani, Lisa won

2. Doing household tasks as fast as possible. - Dani & Jason, Jason won

3. Answering questions from Julie regarding statements made by other houseguests and which one they thought it was. - Lisa & Jason, Lisa won, Lisa picks Dani to go to the finals.

Ladytex

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 06:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Prisonero6, I hear ya ...

Prisonerno6

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 06:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Lady. :)

(Hey, woke up to hearing Ruben on the radio this morning singing Superstar. Just laid there basking in the glow for a while...only two more months for the album!)

Justshirley

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 07:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you, Prisonerno6 -- I was beginning to feel like a heartless b!*ch -- I, too, found Erika's comment quite amusing.

Maryk

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 07:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Erika just verbalized the thoughts some of us were actually thinking. I too just found it as toungue and cheek.

As for the question in this thread... unfortunately there is no way to save Erika saved another twist. Bye Erika. :(

Kmjm

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know what I think? After it came out that Erika was BBI Josh's GF, AS decided that for her to win would invite too many questions. Better that she go before the final 3.

Just my paranoid take on things.

Zipsdaddy

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 07:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison is going to do the unexpected tonight:

Rather than be the one who has to vote off Erika and lose a jury vote..... she will make a deal with Jun.

Ali will tell them she is NOT using the diamond veto on herself, but will save Jun, forcing Robert to nominate Erika.

Then Ali expects Jun to vote off Erika, doing her dirty work for her.

All jaws will drop when Jun announces she'd rather be in the final three with Robert and Erika...

Buh Bye Ali!!!!

Ezgoing

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 07:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Zipsdaddy, I so wish your scenario would happen-LOL! Unfortunately, the one flaw in that idea is that NO ONE would fault Ali for saving herself (remember Marcellus :)?) It is the unfortunate consequence that for this week only, the pool of other houseguests to choose from is limited to ONE, so by Ali saving herself it forces HOH to nominate the sole individual as her replacement. But that alone will not be seen negatively by any of the other hgs, period. A person has the right to save themselves regardless of whom it puts in jeopardy.

But I do wish Ali would consider such a bold and brazen move! Would love to see her face when Jun goes a different way than Ali expected---we can dream, can't we? :)

Sadly, I think Erika is going to be talking with Julie in person tonight...oh well. Now I'm rooting for Robert and Jun as Final 2--never thought I'd see the day, but it's here!