Jun and Ali discuss the HGs "real" personalities
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Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, for all of those who have been debating it, Ali has reassured us that she is not in fact a "lying, manipulative b*tch in real life" and that she's "easy to get along with."

So that inspired a whole conversation about how you have to play the game and put on a mask and what the REAL personalities of the other HGs are. For example.........

Erika: A hard-core cut throat, she would have to be to survive as a bar tender for 10 years. (Apparently bar tending is WAY tougher than I ever knew) She likes HER dogs, but not all dogs (I got a kick out of that.)

Jee: Not really as sweet as he seems, he's a thug. (I can hear Ja Rule playing in the background)

Jack: A scary, serious man, not as gentle and loving as he was in the house.

Dave: The best player in the game (they're only saying that because they knew he's living in the desert room. :) )

Wendo

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nah uh Clio! They said that about Dave because they know you're watching. :)

I thought it was interesting what they had to say. For instance, Jun is sure she's going to hate some of the other HG's. While Ali on the other hand, didn't feel she'd really hate anybody.

Also, Ali pointed out another interesting thing. That she really doesn't know any of the HG's at all; she only knows them as competitors. She won't know them until they're out of the house.

I like watching late night chats like this.

Onlyhuman

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 12:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, you two tricked me...

I turned on my feeds, expecting a terrifically entertaining analysis of the "true personalities" of the HGs by these two students of human nature.

And what do I get??? Chewing and the reading of ingredients labels.

I'm never going to believe you again. Next time I win HOH, you are BOTH going UP!

Wendo

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 12:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Onlyhuman. They went from discussion of the HG's to stuffing their faces. But it really did happen! Especially the part about Dave. (They both truly thought Dave was a great player.) :)

Watching2

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 12:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFL Only!! psssssssst - which one do you want me to vote for? :) :) :)

Onlyhuman

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 12:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ooooooh, Watching2, does this mean you want to have an alliance?

I'm not sure though, what if I tell you who I want you to evict and you pull an Ali?

Can I really trust you??

Watching2

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 12:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I guess first you have to see if my tears have salt in them. hehehe

Onlyhuman

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 12:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Watching, I'm pretty sure those other two women have a secret alliance. They seem to be visiting the desert room quite a bit.

I'm willing to take you on as my partner, but, I swear, if you start trying to convince me that Clio is a pervert because she lusts after hot young men, I'm going to use the backdoor method to get you out of here!

Rainwoman

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 04:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The only person who knew the REAL Alison before the game was Justin, and he already said she was a pathelogical liar and fake, so that pretty much sums it up. Justin was right. :) He just forgot to add easy.

Naja

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 06:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi, I would just like to add that working 10 hours shifts in a busy club as a bartender is equivalent to running a marathon every night while dealing with a bunch of demanding turds at the same time, yet having to maintain a smile. It is not an easy thing. I think Erika just has a lot of practice maintaining her cool around people she thinks are dingbats.

Chippy

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 07:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
At one point, Jun mentioned that the whole "honorable" thing with Jee was an act and he actually needed or took anger management classes at one time.

And, boy, that Jack is one scary dude! Of course, if we're going by their theory that they and everyone acted completely opposite "in the house" (like it's on another planet or something), then the analysis of Jack is right on.

I certainly can understand that there are stressors in that house for that long and all the things that go with it but I'll never be convinced that true personalities don't evolve after the first few days. Funny how none of the family members/friends interviewed during or after the show are saying, "man, that is not the real ________ at all". In fact, they usually confirm that what you are seeing is what they are.

Jimmer

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 07:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that for the most part they are what they are (which is sad for Ali and Jun and good for pretty much all the rest). You would have to be a consummate actor to play a role 24 hours a day. These people aren’t even close to that.

I’m not suggesting that an actor portraying a bad guy in a movie actually acts that way in real life. However, if you look at real actors playing “normal” roles, it’s remarkable how many character mannerisms are similar when they are interviewed in real life – it’s almost like they are the same person.

Wendo

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 08:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, actually Robert's father admitted that he had never heard his son speak of women the way he did while he was in the house.

I'm wondering if the house brought out that negative aspect in him.

Avrey258

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jun has some Erika hang-up. Constantly talking about Erika's body and her eating disorder while totally ignoring her own eating disorder.

Puzzled

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 08:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So right, Naja. That is one tough job.

Cliotheleo

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Nah uh Clio! They said that about Dave because they know you're watching."

Nu uh Wendo, they said that about Dave because, like the rest of us, they're hot for him ............. and because he's in the desert room and they knew he could hear. :)

LOL! @ Only. Yeah, unfortunately, their introspection ended as quickly as it began.

Only ........ I do NOT lust after hot young men ........... I lust after hot young men who aren't wearing any shirts! Text description

Andysmojo

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Avrey258, I'm pretty sure that Jun has admitted that she is a "stress eater".

Pixieduster

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Avrey and Rain...gotta agree with you.

Justin seemed to be a very even keel kind of guy. A straight shooter with a fair amount of integrity. Calling Ali out for what she is, is what he's personally experienced. He didn't feel the need to add things for dramatic effect or the need to convince others to think his way. He offered his opinion and his personal experience.

Avrey, I think that was a bit of projection on Jun's part about Erika's alleged eating disorder. And while Erika did eat little, she talked about it in a healthy way; i.e., watching the type of foods she ate, being aware of portion control, etc. But Jun does admit she's a stress eater.

Chippy

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 09:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And, I'm pretty sure Robert is an impressionable guy who says similar things when he's out with his boys. At least he has the good sense not to say such things in front of his parents. I'm thinking his Mom alone could rip him a new one for less.

Quite a contrast though between Robert's parents and Allison's. Unconditional love doesn't have to include condoning bad behavior and bad choices. No doubt both sets love their children, but I could really see some parental influence for both of them. Shannon's Mom was actually proud of the toothbrush incident and not surprised at all by it. In fact, didn't she say she would've done the same thing or something like that?

Nevertheless, I've a hard time blaming parents for the behavior of their children. Maybe because I was raised in a fairly bigoted environment and didn't end up bigoted from it. Two of my 4 siblings did. Funny how that works once we find our own way and make our own choices.

Cliotheleo

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You're right Pixie, Erika commented at least once (and I'm sure more) about how skinny she was getting blaming it on the PB&J diet. If you KNOW you're skinny than then you don't have a disorder.

The one thing that bothers me about Jun is that she has always been one to knock others down to build herself up. I'm sure that's because of personal insecurities and I feel for her but I still don't like it.

Eeyoreslament

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Naja. Waiters/waitresses walk even MORE than a bartender. 8 hour shifts for a waitress have us walking the equivalent of something like 8-12 miles (I read it in SHAPE magazine). Although I have to say....there are some days when my feet feel like it is TWICE that.

People....order everything at once, and save me a trip!! hahaha.

Cliotheleo

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL! Well, I'd like to see you all walk those 10-12 miles with 100lbs of bridal gowns in your hands AND deal with three bridezillas at once like I have to! :)

Maybe I DO have what it takes to survive in the BB house after all!

Spunky

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To Jun it may seem like playing "The thousand questions" game. The reason Ali keeps asking Jun so many questions is maybe because Jun would choose to remain silent on several topics Ali wants to talk about, and at times it seems that Ali has to force it out of Jun. The prodding by Ali could be a desire to know Jun better or to make conversation. We don't know what Jun is saying in the DR right now but I noticed sometimes she leaves Ali alone without much of an explanation of what she wants to do, so this pushes Ali to ask... What are you doing? Jun so far has shown great patience but I can tell she wants some time alone with herself and not with Ali.
And of course Ali is left wondering why she has to work that hard to have Jun talk to her..

Csnog

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali is used to center stage while Jun needs alone time. It appears that Aunt Flo did not visit Ali this month so no psm for her.

Other BB years have only had 2 or 3 days down time between the third place person evicted and the final show. This year they have an entire week.

Miss_Wings

Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 03:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"...working 10 hours shifts in a busy club as a bartender is equivalent to running a marathon every night while dealing with a bunch of demanding turds at the same time, yet having to maintain a smile. It is not an easy thing. I think Erika just has a lot of practice maintaining her cool around people she thinks are dingbats. "

So, it is sort of like teaching.

Sorry, bad day, and I couldn't resist.

Earthmother

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can relate Miss_Wings, and that was just in the staff lounge..lol

R151996

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 11:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
From earlier in the thread--
"The only person who knew the REAL Alison before the game was Justin, and he already said she was a pathelogical liar and fake, so that pretty much sums it up."

Do any of us know the REAL Justin. What if the pathological liar comment was just part of his strategy? Nothing said by ANY player about ANY OTHER player during the game should be trusted 100%. If Ali IS a pathological liar, then her glowing descriptions of Justin might also be lies.

Murph

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I know that this is not the exact words but something close:

Ali and Jun were talking; I am not sure if it was yesterday or Monday. Ali stated "I did not start lying till the fourth week." Jun said, "we told the boys we were voting Erika out the week she and Michele were up." Ali, "oh, I guess I have lied from the beginning."

Now the question one can ask; was Ali lying only in the game because of the game or force of habit?

Coffee

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 12:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My opinion is that compulsive liars lie all the time over everything. I have noticed Ali not be truthful even about small things.

Coffee

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 12:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was the same thing though about calling Robert names. In the same sentence Ali and Jun were saying they didn't call him names they were. They didn't even keep it out of that sentence. Something like we never called that f...g mor.. any names and then they continued with more.

Watching2

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo wrote (Only ........ I do NOT lust after hot young men ........... I lust after hot young men who aren't wearing any shirts! )

Well, OK Wendo, you're not a perv CUZ I do the same thing. Just cuz you're a bit older doesn't mean you're dead or anything. LOL

Only - OK, the ALLIANCE is AWWWWWWWWWN! LOL

Jefe

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
These girls got to stop this last bashing session,somebody's going to beat them up.