Spunky | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:03 pm     So, poor Erika is leaving on Wednesday?? Of all the people there I wanted to win money it was Erika and now she'll be gone. This is what bugs me the most...that Erika will be gone. |
Jdel | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:14 pm     with ali in control it's hard to say - she can change her mind at any given moment - I'm sure she will torture them both and not give any info till it happens. and being ali she'll tell them both (in secret) that the other one is who she's putting out. I still think she wants jun more than erika to go against. jun has ex on DT - probably thinks jee will not want jun to have the money and will give it to ali just to spite jun - and he strikes me as the kind of jerk that would do it. |
Flamingo | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:14 pm     i know. this sucks. The only remotely likeable person on this show is now pretty much toast. I have no desire to watch gloating Alison. And if thats not bad enough it sounds like the competition wasn't exactly a fair one. ugggh. |
Helgapataki | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:17 pm     Rob, Jun and Erika were talking when the feeds were back on as though Jun were definitely going- why did they believe this? Are they not considering that Ali might vote out Erika? Or was there some twist to the POV that we don't know about? |
Bmh | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:18 pm     Robert and Erika are stupid and have no clue that Alison and Jun really don't hate each other and have a secret alliance...Now that Ali has the power look for Erika to be evicted this week. |
Spunky | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:18 pm     She did say in the DR that she'll boot Erika, her 'little sister' act was ...just an act to please Erika. This is what turned me off in Ali. She doesn't have to be that cruel or insensitive. Erika was truly sorry to let Ali go... But Ali won't be sorry one bit. She cannot keep Erika because she'll lose to her 7 to nothing. She thinks Robert and Erika had an alliance and wants to eliminate one of them. So Erika goes. She thinks with Jun or Robert she has a better chance. I can't see any way to save Erika. Too bad. |
Zachsmom | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:20 pm     Erika needs to say "Ali- remember that we promised we wouldn't vote each other out" oh wait..she's talking to Ali..never mind! |
Mkcantjump | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:25 pm     I don't see Ali as being nearly as cruel as past HG women. If she is good at physical comps then she would be a fool to dummy up and lose one at this point. My feeling is once the word got out on the internet about Erika's BB conections, she was pretty well gone. I think BB would have a harder time explaining Erika's win than Ali's. Just a thought. |
Spunky | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:26 pm     Well, Erika should really remind her about that... at least it will end up on tape and everyone will see how she replies to Erika: "I don't care anymore, I don't care anymore".. This is what Ali told Robert after the POV comp when Robert asked something about next HOH, or another event... "I don't care anymore.." Meaning, whatever you say, I don't give a damn, I won it, and it's mine and I do what I like". She doesn't have to put on an act anymore. That's Ali allright. |
Helgapataki | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:31 pm     Mk- at the risk of getting slammed in only my fourth post this year (tho I've been lurking since BB1)- I'm with you on your assessment of Alison. She's playing to win, like her or not. She is the only one who TRULY is not letting emotions control her decisions. She may not be trustworthy in that house, but trust is foolish in a game of elimination. If she wins, she deserves it. |
Spunky | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:36 pm     Win what?? the 50 k??? Okay, let her have that! |
Mkcantjump | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:38 pm     Ty Helg but I doubt anyone will slam you here. I would assume they have more class than that. |
Justshirley | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:48 pm     Ali, Robert and Erika were just in the BR and Ali said that she's in a really bad position, because she's going to lose the vote in the end of whichever of the girls she votes out. Erika told her that that's not true, because she HAS to vote somebody out -- it's not like she has a choice. Now, what Erika SHOULD have replied is "Ali, there's no way that Jun could hold it against you -- it's not like you ever made Jun any promises. You and I agreed a long time ago that we were taking each other to the end. Jun chose to do nothing but float. She didn't build the kind of tight alliance that you and I have. So she won't have any reason to hold a grudge." |
Spunky | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:54 pm     Erika did mention some kind of dream she told Ali about and that she should remember that.. What Ali is doing is to let Erika down...gently.. believe it or not. She already told Erika: I have to be smart about this.. no offense! Meaning, if I boot you out you have to understand! Just watch her when she has a minute to talk to Jun and Ali will say: "She's out on Wednesday, I'm kicking her out"... and Jun smiling and thinking... "Boy, am I lucky in this game!" |
Mkcantjump | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:57 pm     Ali is no fool. Of course she will evict Erika |
Wendo | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 01:10 am     Helga, I agree, Ali is playing the game with absolutely no emotion. And, that's keeping her focused. I find it so fascinating that a HG should feel bad if they lie or betray someone in this game. Why? They're competing for a great deal of money. It's fine if someone wants to feel bad. But I don't understand why one is knocked if they don't. Interesting. |
Fabnsab | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 01:42 am     As much as I want Erika to stay, she doesn't deserve to. She is too naive. She truly believes that Ali has her back and that is ridiculous. She knows that Ali lies. Part of being a winner in this game is knowing when you're being snowballed. |
Wendo | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 01:59 am     Good point Fabnsab re: knowing when you're being snowballed. Would you say that Ali knew Erika was snowballing her when she was saying she would vote to keep her in, yet would tell Rob and Jun that Ali had to go? Hmm. |
Fabnsab | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 02:24 am     Wendo, I don't think Ali truly believes anything anyone says. I think she trusts Jun to a degree because Jun has opened up to Ali in the latter portion of this game. Jun used to be a listener but she runs to Ali with everything now. That speaks volumes to Ali, especially when Jun tells her things that would be good for Jun to hide. Ali is the most intuitive in the house. I think my fingers will fall off for typing a positive remark about her. As far as Erika goes, she owed Robert. He could have put her up this week but he didn't. He wanted her to say she'd vote Jun out in return and she couldn't. She does have a loyalty to Ali and that will be her downfall. |
Dogdoc | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 04:01 am     There is an alliance to break up (Erika/Robert). Ali will do that. Then Robert will be the next to go. |
Spooky974 | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 04:28 am     I don't believe that Erika truely thinks that Alli has her back. On many occasions she has said that you never know what she is going to do. Do I want Alli to win...NO. My reasons for not wanting her to win are because she made women look bad. No other woman went around and kissed and did things under the blankets with 3 guys. She obviously has no respect for herself or for her relationship with Donny, or for her parents for that matter. Do I think other than that that she played a good game...YES. But I would rather see anyone else win the money but her for those reasons stated above. Erika has played with more integrity, and even with Robert's woman bashing he has never strayed from his alliance. Only now when there is no one from his alliance left is he making new ones. The way Alli has acted I can't blame Robert for saying crude things about her. Jun, even though she floated, tried to look out for the original 8. If you think back to Dana, she tried to get her to play with her head and not her emotions. She thought Dana should put up Justin. Jun has bashed people, but most of the time it was Jee. I really don't want Alli to win, and I pray that somehow, Erika can get through this. |
Gen | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 07:40 am     There is one way to save Erika and that is for Rob to nominate himself. Is there any thing to prevent him from doing this except for his own ego and desire to go to the F3? |
Spunky | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 07:46 am     What bugs me is that Jun will be the one winning the 500k at the expenses of Ali who will only get the 50k (even if she loses next HOH, Jun or Robert would want to keep her for a sure win of the 500k.) All Erika and Robert can do at this point is to tell Ali that Jun was more than ready to boot her on Wednesday. Even her DR entries shows that her alliance with Ali ended.. she goes where the best wind blows.. Ali maintained that her alliance was still with Jun and not Erika although she did not know of Jun's agreement with the others to boot Ali. I wonder if Robert hurt Erika in the end with his closeness to Erika after he won HOH, Ali was more than annoyed with that, enough to make her want to evict Erika. What Ali should do to redeem herself in my eyes is to tell Erika that she will evict her. No need to be double faced now. If she does so, she may still get Erika's vote. I think Jun winning the 500k was too easy and at the expenses of Ali. |
Stingerman | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 08:03 am     It won't or actually can't Happen Gen. Robert has no choice but to put up Erica after Ali veto's herself. As HOH he can't nominate himself. I think Erica's only hope is if Ali thinks that the voting Jury may think more highly of her if she keeps Erica than Jun. (a very very remote chance here be one none the less). |
Bmh | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 09:00 am     YAY!! Thank God Erika is most likely leaving on Wednesday. The Final Three are all interesting to say the least |