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Archive through September 18, 2003
Steveh | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 06:50 pm     R151996 - I don't know if you saw the Bravo documentary on reality tv. Four hours long and well-done IMO and if you had or have seen it, then I know you'd know that ALL of the producers of reality TV are trying to figure out EXACTLY how to get away with having the audience watch--as you metaphorically put it quite well--"watch body parts being extracted from the train wreck." Eating a pig's a** on TV is close, but not quite there yet. You figure out a way to get away w/ showing the aftermath of the wreck on an extended basis and yr gonna be a ZILLIONAIRE. Guaranteed. |
Gidget | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 07:00 pm     Unfortunately I agree with you Steve. I remember when showing Jeannie's navel was a big deal. I was lucky to have a childhood untainted by sex, and drugs on TV. I did, however, have the war brought to my living room every evening. I have mixed feelings on this subject. I would like to see more innocence in the world, but there was also less tolerance and more judgement. So what is the answer. I invite comments, because I would really like to know. Oh, and do you realize, less than 100 years ago, Elana would have been a non-entity. Children were not cherished and pampered and developed. They were best seen but not heard. That at least is one improvement. |
Niceguy | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 07:11 pm     I'm with you Steveh. It is about taking a dip in the septic tank. Its not likely at all the Julie is going to mention anything about Jun and Ali's remarks. They are aiming this show to the Allison and Jenna (from Survivor)demographic. Its only going to get worse, I suspect. |
Kalekona | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 07:13 pm     I know where your coming from Gidget.. it was the same for me... I look back now on "The Brady Bunch" and laugh at the sexual undertones that went right over our heads. But the world is not an innocent place anymore, actually it never was we were just sheltered from it. Maybe that is why we have a generation of people who can't handle the stress, need more and more material things to comfort us. We can't deal. The good old days... ever think you'd hear yourself say those words ? I wish there was less extremes on TV today but our world is more extreme so i think it's best to let our kids know it, (with supervision) let them watch and watch with them, explain it to them, teach them values, morals.. right from wrong.. Maybe our kids will value the innocent things that we took for granted. |
Gidget | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 07:23 pm     I knew one of the Brady Bunch. That was one fake show. She could have given Ali a run for her money. I won't say which one. |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 07:30 pm     I think because of the way they have set up the show that Julie cannot confront Ali & Jun in front of Rob. BB has gone out of there way to protect that kind of stuff. What she can do is interview the one who wins HOH. Then it is fair game. If she asked Robert about his offensive comments, there's no reason she can't ask the HOH winner about theirs. I wonder if their response will be more articulate than Robert's. |
R151996 | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 07:35 pm     Steveh-- I did watch all parts of the excellent Bravo series. And I agree that for good or bad, that is the direction "unscripted" TV has headed and will likely continue to head. I just don't believe CBS or AS&Co. want to go that far this year with this series. Especially not with a 7-year-old as a principal element. If a child wasn't involved in the comments...who knows. |
Steveh | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:07 pm     Well R - another factor to consider is they might not have a choice. Every once in a while, one of these cyberspace things snowballs and the producers get put into a position where they don't have a choice, they HAVE to show it somehow. I don't know if Juli will call them on it, but they might just run some of it--maybe the Cuban f****t stuff and the breaking of the stone--and then give Ali and Jun a chance to reply. I started another thread to discuss another way--besides having Julie call them on it--that the producers can air it. |
Sherri | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:06 am     I can't see Julie questioning them in front of Robert, but I sure wish that, if Robert goes, she would question both Jun and Ali about their comments. I would really like that to happen because of the way they have acted and the comments they made after Robert told them about Julie calling him out on national tv about his comments. They were both so ugly about it, and it never crossed either of their mind's that they had said some very ugly things about Robert. These two females (I refuse to call them ladies, as they come nowhere close) continually show unbelievably bad behavior. I don't know if they would put two and two together if they were called out on it, but just maybe it would make them think about their own ugliness. Just maybe. It might be worth a try. |
Floydsdad | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:49 pm     ali is just <LC> !!!!!!!!!!!!!! People, stop the name calling or I'll pull this thread. |
K9lover1 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:54 pm     I think its horrible the way they repeated the things Rob said but left Ali and Jun smelling like roses. Well at least I get to cancel my feeds now. I'm am totally disgusted!! |
Steveh | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:58 pm     Well, they didn't question Jun and Ali about the remarks. On the other hand, we got to see--was it the third or fourth time?--Rob's foul remarks about women. Something struck me tonight while watching for the third or fourth time. Each time they show him going off it's the SAME incident. He's sitting outside w/ the guys after an eviction. If his b's, w's, and s's remarks were as prolific as the foul-mouthed vituperation of the girls' these past several days, why don't we get more variety? Why don't we see other scenes where Rob has used the b, s and w words? Are there any? Conversely, they'll be able to fill up a bonus DVD w/ Jun's and Ali's creative applications of the word f**k (as EVERY part of speech) to most of the other house guests and Rob's daughter. And most show-only viewers have NO IDEA of what's gone on in that house for the past week or so. IMO, CBS is ripping off anyone truly interested in the show and the houseguests' behavior while in the house. In fact, on tonight's telecast Juli ominously intoned that one of the houseguests had resorted to "threats" and then they show Robert's lame ass mewlings which, IMO, were much closer to whining than threatening. Far less threatening than "I'll kick that Cuban f****t in his m***********g n*ts." eeeessshhh |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:15 pm     Yes, there are other scenes of Rob using his b's, w's and s's remarks. I can't even count how many times he said it LOL! Maybe they've only chosen to show the one because it gets the point across. Who knows. |
K9lover1 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:26 pm     My one word for how they portrayed them final three - BIAS!! |
Steveh | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:50 pm     Wendo - I don't think there have been any other scenes on the TV show of Rob using the three magic words? The live feeds--what I've seen--there's been plenty of misogynistic yammering by Rob (the most) and most of the other guys, but I don't remember the repeated streams of blunt invective. If the scene they keep showing on the TV show "gets the point across" why do they have to keep showing it? If it's effective, then it only needs to be shown once. Repeated showings open the door for plausible questions like mine. By showing only that scene to "get the point across" the point TPTB are getting across is that this is the ONLY time Rob did it (whether that's accurate or not and I'll take your word for it that it's not), at least in the minds of many of the TV show-only viewers. Or so one could assume. |
Monalisahi | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:07 pm     OHHH, I missed the threat part of the show <I was watching Paradise Hotel>. What did they show? |
Monalisahi | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:56 pm     Nevermind, it was the threat of jury votes. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:16 pm     Oh, I meant the live feeds, Steve, not the tv show. I think they showed two different scenes of Rob on the live show. I meant to say there were plenty of instances they could've used, but they seem to have chosen just one or two. Perhaps they keep showing it because of new viewers? Those that come late to the show or just to see the final shows? To give them an idea of what they're seeing? Or, to set the scene? I honestly have no idea why they continue to show that one now. Maybe they just like that one. *shrug* |
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:26 pm     I would say yes, she should. If someone feels Julie shouldn't after all the others have either been called on their antics, or at least they were shown, why shouldn't Ali and Jun have the same happen? |
Fruitbat | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:16 am     I agree Lance but does the format make room for that? If I remember correctly the final show drags as the votes are cast with lengthy speeches from all the jury. I would love to see the voting completed in the first 20 minutes and the remainder devoted to Julie interviewing them and the reunion with the jury and Donny and Bob particularly. |
Missapril | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:57 am     There's nothing to 'call' them on. They made what can only be taken as emotionally charged jokes. Period. <> Children are NOT sacred and they aren't meant to be worshipped, people. Heck, in the US we don't even endow them with any rights <>. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:18 am     Yes and Roberts comments were emotionally charged as well. Just be interesting to see their reaction. They were *so* ingidnant upon learning what Robert had said knowing they were doing the same thing. Being called on their racist remarks would be very satisfying to watch. I think most HG's are surprized that everything they say is heard by someone despite the cameras! |
Missapril | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:28 am     ON the contrary... Robert spewed his vile misogynistic remarks without the benefit of any kind of emotional prompt. We know from his own mouth as well as Erica's recollections and Jee and Justin's observations in the house that Robert as a matter of his 'personality' and mental composition has a 'thing' against women. He doesn't need to be emotionally set off to make such comments or need any kind of personal attack against him to go off about the inferiority of women. <Please ease up on the comments directed at other posters. Thank you, Mods> |
Spygirl | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 07:20 am     Actually, Robert was very upset when he made his comments. It was very emotionally charged for him as well. |
Avrey258 | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:51 am     Nothing to call them on??? What? I still have hope that these comments will see the light of day. There is a T.V. show on Friday this week and this would be a perfect time to show the T.V. viewers that all is not rosey in Jun and Ali land. I can't believe that Robert's comments have been shown over and over again while Jun and Ali will get a pass. I know why the producers want the all the houseguests to view the tapes. They are afraid of what will happen if they let the houseguests leave without settling and working through some of the issues they are sure to have after seeing the horrible things they have said about each other. I can't wait to see Ali and Jun's explanations. |
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