Archive through September 18, 2003
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Archive through September 18, 2003
Wendo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:47 pm     So, it's now been decided. The final two are Jun and Ali. Rob went out in third place and will be the final member of the jury. One thing I found interesting during tonight's show was Jun's blatant throw of HOH to Alison. Robert isn't a stupid man, he had to have been aware that Jun threw it to Ali. How will Rob consider this? Did Jun's throw affect her chances at the half mill? (Because I give her the edge to win at this point.) Will Rob tell the jury his thoughts? Another interesting thing, Ali does want the half million. For the first time we were shown her saying it in the diary room. So, she's going to continue playing, for sure. Hmm. |
Demsome | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:59 pm     Why wouldn't she continue playing? She has as good of a chance of winning as Jun. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:00 pm     Wendo, the impression I got was that Robert is currently siding with Ali. Time well tell if he changes his mind or it's changed for him. |
Carrie92 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:12 pm     Oh yeah, and after that flirty little goodbye message she left, which Robert thought was genuine? He's definitely on Ali's side. |
Bastable | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:16 pm     I wouldn't count on that. Last year, most of the players left the house thinking highly of Dani but came back with changed minds. It can go either way here, too. |
Ark | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:23 pm     Rob won't have to tell the jury his thoughts, they'll see the tape and decide for themselves. It's pretty obvious that a guess of 1 million was a throw away guess. This move may put Jun in second place. Until she did it, I was pretty sure she'd win. Now I'm not so sure. |
Woodpecke® | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:47 pm     A guess of zero was a throwaway guess, also. All Jun had to say was the #1. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:48 pm     Well, as long as Roddy can't call the Jury house, I think we'll be ok. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:22 pm     Wood, but zero wasn't really a throw away guess because of the rule about going over. Ali's guess, while not close to Justin's number, had a chance to win. Jun, however, had no chance because she guessed one million. I have to agree with Ark, the move to blatantly throw the win to Ali may hurt her in the end. |
Scbookworm | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:28 pm     I got a big kick out of Ali's goodbye message to Robert and even more of a kick out of the fact that Robert bought it hook, line and sinker! |
Csnog | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:29 pm     I found it interesting that Erika said "want to see the knife in my back". I would say she was referring to Ali. Jack said he would vote for Jun and we know Dana will. Jun needs one more vote and I think Jee will vote for her. |
Grits | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:30 pm     It appeared to me that Jun looked at what Ali wrote before writing her own. |
Ezgoing | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:33 pm     Grits, you're right. She definitely did look, and apparently that was okay because Julie didn't admonish them; on reflection, it would have been better if Jun and Ali had been seated apart from each other or with a divider between them to avoid such a move. If Jun didn't know what Ali had written, would she have made the same choice? We'll never know now. |
Puzzled | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:35 pm     Yes, Grits, Jun definitely took a peek, and then wrote her ridiculous answer. I detest Ali, but I have to say that if I were voting solely on who was the best player, I would say, ick, yack, Ali. |
Slothkitten | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:53 pm     Wendo, I felt June's chance slipping when she gave Ali the hoh..I mean I could really sense a drop..it made her look weak at a time she really could have(maybe)beat Ali...Robert saw that..the jury's gonna see it or know about it...Ali always leaves the evicted these wonderful goodbys..June is all" dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya" I'm afraid June just blew it. It's the continued blatent hiding behind Ali that the jury won't like.I wanted June to take Ali down ...did'nt happen.. :.( |
Monalisahi | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:04 pm     Wood, it would have been a throw on Ali's part IF they had not already decided ahead of time that Jun was going to throw it to Ali. That's why Jun looked over and Ali showed her. What I found so funny was that Jun appeared to be trying to throw the questions too, and just lucked into getting some of them right. Ali was trying to get them right and couldn't....LOL. At one point, I saw Jun look over at Ali and they both laughed. I don't think Jun threw all the questions, possibly because she didn't want to appear to be throwing the comp. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:15 pm     I thought if Jun lost the HOH she would look weak too. However, by guessing 1 million and Ali guessing 0 - both made it clear to the jury that they were working together to make it to final two. The fact that Jun showed that much trust in(and control of) Ali probably made her look stronger than she would have if the jury couldn't see an obvious throw. Good Job on Jun's part. I thought is was really funny - Jun trying to get the answers wrong and Ali trying to get them right - both failing. It was very funny, part of the best part of tonight's show! |
Scandalousplaya | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:27 pm     Wouldn't be funny that when Elena hugged her father she whispered, "Daddy don't vote for Jun because she called me a B@#$#? |
Slothkitten | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:33 pm     Thanks Gina,for a different spin Yeah,it was hilarious watching them watch each other,they looked nervous and the icing on the cake was Jee and Justin "in the house" having a part in thier final comp! |
Kc103 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:03 pm     I thought the last HOH competition was a letdown. Yes, it was fun to see what Jee and Justin had to say. (Especially the look on Ali's face when Justin's answers didn't appear to exactly flatter her.) But then the tie-breaker question was such a joke! Both of their answers were ridiculous. It just seemed pre-planned. I wonder if they talked to them about it ahead of time in the DR or something. Also, since when did people ever get to look at each other's answers during a competition before?? They usually are very cautious about that. I've always enjoyed every year of BB so far; but this year has been questionable to me. I realize that "Reality TV" is only "real" to a point, but why do I feel this year's show was more contrived?? That feeling especially intensified for me after the final veto competition. I don't know what the outcome was of the malfunction or whatever. All I know is when I saw the FOTH for so long afterwards on the feeds it made me wonder. I love the show in general but am greatly disappointed this year. The names and comments directed toward a seven year-old child truly show the extreme immaturity both of these "women" (Perhaps I should say little girls) possess. Is that what they find entertaining to talk about at this point?? How sad! I really feel like they think every remark they have made is so "funny" and "clever." Also why were only Robert's comments shown on TV?? I think in all fairness Julie should ask Jun and Ali why they felt the need to make such vile comments and jokes about a child? Perhaps they should ask Jun how she really feels about certain ethnic groups? Like I said, I really like BB; but I hope whoever wins this year has her five, not fifteen, minutes of fame and then disappears back into the abyss somewhere. I will not miss seeing either of the final two in the future whatsoever. As for some of the other houseguests, it'll be fun to see what they're up to by next year! Thanks for letting me rant. I usually don't post too often. Good night all! |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:04 pm     I don't think Jun throwing it will be seen so negatively now that it can be seen so clearly as something they did in tandem, and that they planned to take each other. Jun won the HOH she had to win- the second one. I think Robert will look back on the game and see that it was Ali who betrayed him repeatedly. |
Hamsterville | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:45 pm     I thought they were both trying to throw it and the fact that Jun succeeded made it look like she outmaneuvered Alison. I think if anything the competition made the producers look bad. |
Onlyhuman | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:13 pm     Jee's statement about Jun being in control of the house more than him and Justin's statement of Ali NOT being in control was a big clue to me that the jury will vote for Jun to win. In this game, to control the house is to control the game, so my guess is that they've all talked in paradise and figured out that Jun very subtly controlled most of the nominations and evictions in this house. They proabably even credit her with turning Ali to her side during the Jack eviction. The problem with Ali's game is that she so often used emotional excuses to cover her machinations and to explain her behavior. For instance, after nominating Dana & Jun, she went to the other side and whined about how the Jee3 had tricked her and were now gloating about it. The others couldn't believe that Ali had been so stupid to fall for their tricks. That kind of thinking is pretty hard to break when they don't have any other evidence. Yes, she won competitions, but I'm not sure that that carries more weight than being the power in the house. |
Beachcomber88 | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 01:12 am     I was disgusted at the throwing of HOH - by both of them. Jun's guess of 1 million was ridiculous. But Ali's guess of 0 was equally as ridiculous. While Ali couldn't possibly go over, she is just as guilty of throwing the competition as Jun. I don't like these tie breaker write-your-answer-on-the-dry-erase-board questions. First of all, it always involves math. But even still, Julie absolutely does not give them enough time to come up with an answer. I suspect it's the pressure of being on live tv and finishing before the hour. But if that's a concern, why not ask one less question and then go to the tie breaker? Even if Ali and Jun were going to try for real, it still takes time to count the months, multiply, and then add the extra days. I'm hoping they'll change this for future seasons. |
Philamom | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 01:53 am     The tie-breaker question was ridiculous ... mainly because they had to come up with different answers. The fact that Ali and Justin dated for months while Jun and Jee dated for years gave Ali the advantage (well, it WOULD have given her the advantage if both she and Jun were really trying to win). It's easier to come closer to 200 than to come closer to 2000. This HOH won't affect how anyone on the jury votes. As I said in another post, the voting will be personal. It always is ... it was in BB2 and BB3, and the latest HOH won't change a thing. Jun will win, simply because more people are angry at Ali and feel betrayed by her. The jury won't be able to see past that. It's human nature ... it's payback time. |
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