Archive through September 18, 2003
TV ClubHouse: Archive: Elena was there - fair or unfair?:
Archive through September 18, 2003
Earthmother | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 01:22 pm     Thanks Angelsluv, got my list, on my way to the liquor store..then I'll come back and read some more of this ohhhhhhhhhh soooooooooooo interesting stuff....lol good golly you guys have me drinkin' it must have been pure hell for Robert to stay on the wagon... |
Stardust | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 01:33 pm     WOW...this thread has really gotten crazy since my last post. I decided to come back and maybe give TVCH a second chance, I admit I am addicted LOL. But, I have a few things to say.... Crazydog, you said I was "attacking" your opinion....you are right, I WAS attacking your opinion... WITH MY OWN. I was under the impression that was what this board was about...discussion, debating, and as some people have said, arguing. I have my opinion and you have yours. I'm sorry you didn't like what I had to say, but that is how I feel and if you don't agree with me, fine, but don't get so defensive when I am merely stating my opinion. BUT, for you to say I wasn't respectful is wrong...I believe I was respectful, I was just stating an opinion that I felt strongly about...and for you asking me to leave this board, well I won't go there, but I do not believe you own this board... Aunt Bob, thank you. I WAS being real, that is how I am, and I'm sorry some people couldn't see that I was only stating my opinion. I guess they didn't like my opinion did they? But, thanks for having my back! Denecee, I can't believe you thought I was "blowing up" in my post, that is funny LOL But, I will appologize to anybody who took offense to my post...I am very blunt, I'm sorry, but I get to the point and I state how I feel. And, I feel this topic is ridiculous. Period. Agree to disagree, don't hate. |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 01:39 pm     Stating your opinion: "I didn't think having Elena there was unfair. I thought it was touching and sweet." Stating your opinion while dismissing and attacking others: "I didn't think having Elena there was unfair. I thought it was touching and sweet. You people are so sad if you think that it is unfair. You make me sick." There is nothing wrong with attacking an opinion by stating your own. But you didn't stop at that, not only did you attack an opinion, which is fine, you attacked other posters personally by saying we were sad and making you sick. There is a huge difference, to me. And no, I don't own the board, but I just wanted to point out the difference. Talk about the subject, not the posters. |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 01:51 pm     Also, I did not ask you to leave the board. You said that you were leaving the board. The only thing that I said was that you could feel free to leave if you couldn't post without attacking other posters. |
Stardust | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:01 pm     I don't believe I was attacking anybody actually....attacking a someone personally I think would be calling names or whatever....I do believe it IS sad and it IS making me sick, I don't believe I attacked you personally, crazydog, I'm sorry if you felt that i did. I was actually referring to the subject and everyone who is saying that it was unfair, referring to everyone's opinion, not them personally...I don't know you...do I actually believe you are sad and you make me sick, no...but the topic, yes I feel that way. I personally believe it is absurd to even cry "unfair" that a child got to see her father, but again that is only my opinion, and now I will let it rest. But, I would like to ask you one question if I could....crazydog, do you LIKE Robert? |
Stardust | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:06 pm     Yes, I did say I was leaving. But, you stated a reason why you think I should leave..."attacking other posters" etc...that's not your call. The moderators have that job. |
Sherri | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:22 pm     Whatever happened to the chill-out thread we had last year |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:25 pm     I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. I still feel that telling other posters that their opinion makes you sick is essentialy an attack on them - there are other ways to say you disagree without saying that someone else's opinion is vomit-inducing. But I'm just going to drop the topic, because we are just going in circles. No harm done, we are all here for fun and to discuss the show. But I never said that I thought you should leave the board. I pretty much said that if you were going to leave, as you stated, I wasn't going to stop you. And, no, I don't particularly like Robert. But I like him a whole lot better than Alison. In any event, my like/dislike of Robert wouldn't have changed my opinion. The bottom line is I feel that all houseguests should have been treated equally. If Erika had been the last person evicted and her mother was there, I would have had the same comment. I don't think that anyone should get special treatment. |
Lancecrossfire | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:26 pm     <waits to see if posters move on (on their own) to other things than going after each other> I hope no one leaves because of anything I've seen here or anywhere else today. |
Trinity63 | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:31 pm     Man you guys -- this is one of the reasons I don't post very often -- can you cut each other a little slack and would you be this vicious in person? I think your monitors give you a lot of courage. |
Prisonerno6 | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:58 pm     Instead of Long Island Ice Teas, Earthmother, how about a Hurricane? I have a batch in the freezer in honor of Isabelle wreaking havoc on the mid-Atlantic states. Angel Season 2 DVDs, Hurricanes, cream cheese, crackers, and a fresh batch of hot pepper jam -- bring on the storm! |
Paisley | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:22 pm     Crazydog I agree with your response to Stardusts second post. I also thought Stardust was attacking other posters. I think you handled the attack very well If you hadn't posted in your own defense to Stardust's second post, I would have. I cried too when Elena was brought out. I also don't think it was fair. I have a 9 year old daughter so this is not because I am childless and have no understanding of the parent/child bond. This is a game and everyone should be on a level playing field. Maybe they should make it clear there was no opportunity for transfer of game info. Or they should make it clear that the other sequestered guests had the same opportunity. This way we just have to trust the integrity of the show to keep things fair and I don't trust that at all. I'm glad they are sequestered with each other so they don't feel so bad when they are evicted because they are not alone as losers of the game. They immediately get to feel they are among a group of people who are gone from the game. |
Bastable | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:25 pm     I seriously doubt that had they known, the evicted HGs would have begruded Robert that visit. |
Woodpecke® | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:42 pm     I don't think Robert should have been able to see his child. I didn't need to see Elena again. That being said, I don't think the meeting was that big of a deal. (Robert is like a lot of parents that I know. He acts like he is the only man in the entire world who fathered a child. I find him rather hypocritical. But that's just me. Glad he isn't my dad.) |
Denecee | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:42 pm     Stardust, I'm glad I made you laugh with my comment. If you say you weren't blowing up then okay, I'm cool with that. |
Earthmother | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:04 pm     "Done is done, and itn't it quiet when the goldfish dies"...We are glad he isn't your dad too Wood, cuz I'd feel stupid callin' you "mama".. |
Woodpecke® | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:06 pm     You'd look stupid too. What a visual. I can't even see you and I know that's just wrong. |
Earthmother | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:08 pm     lol....see what a little booze in the afternoon will do for you!!! |
Llkoolaid | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:12 pm     And on a happier note, Survivor starts in 24 minutes. |
Woodpecke® | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:13 pm     Great idea. I have tomorrow off. Maybe I'll start drinking early and post in here all day. By 3 P.M., I could definitely have some weird things to say. |
Earthmother | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:14 pm     OMG..weirder than normal...we are in for some trouble.  |
Sherri | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:19 pm     Dang - thanks for the reminder Llkoolaid - I was just sitting here reading, hoping that everyone had made friends - and I had totally forgotten about Survivor! I'm going to set the satellite now to automatically switch so I don't get caught up again. Even with the disagreements, etc., there is still alot of laughter to be found on this board and I am really glad to be a part of it. Going now, picking up the remote ... |
Sherri | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:23 pm     Excellent Woody - something to look forward to tomorrow. Start a new thread so we can follow your drinking adventure. I'm sure it will be worth the reading (as usual)! |
Stardust | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:52 pm     I honestly think you people are a bit too sensitive...I mean I was "attacking people" I was "vicious" "blowing up".....yeah right. I'm sorry for posting my opinion on this board. I will never do it again, forgive me. Some advice for you guys, if you don't mind...lighten up and don't take everything people say so seriously...geesh... ::::stardust transitioning back to lurker mode:::: Have fun all...nothing personal (lol) |
Bastable | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:54 pm     "You people"?? I don't remember being part of your fight, Stardust. |
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