JUN's very private personal confession....
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Sunshyne4u

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 12:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
FROM LIVE FEED POSTS "Jun says she has had mistakes. Rob says every girl has had mistakes. Not Ali. Jun was one of the first to try RU486. Jun explaining to Ali how it works. It was painful."
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I decided to start this thread even though this confession was mentioned 'in passing' in another thread dissing the girls in the house.
I felt that Jun was really trying to let the others know that she felt taking the RU486 Abortion Pill was a mistake she had made. Jun has stated many times in Feeds she wants a baby.
What are your takes on this confession? I dont have live feeds anymore.....did anyone catch this whole conversation and was there more discussion?? I was surprised that Jun would share something so personal. Could it have been Jee's baby? Leaves us wondering.

Crazydog

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 12:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Are we absolutely sure that she was pregnant? I thought the morning after pill was taken "just in case".

How funny that Alison said that she has not made mistakes in her life.

Prism72

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was my understanding that she used it as an example of one of the "mistakes" she's made.

Crazydog

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe it was simply that she views having unprotected sex as a mistake. That she should have been more careful, and took this pill as a precaution. I don't think it necessarily means she was pregnant.

Sunshyne4u

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
RU486 is not the "morning after pill". The morning after pill is a super strong BirthControl pill to be used within a couple of days of the possible conception. RU486 is a drug which causes abortions of a known pregnancy up to TWO months term. It is used instead of surgery.
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Yes, Prism. I am surprised at her sharing something so personal with the likes of Ali and Rob. It must really be bothering her and when you are almost alone in a house, with nothing to do but think, your mistakes in life must EAT at you.
I hope Jun seeks counselling when she gets out of the house. This guilty feeling about her "mistake" could be contributing to her compulsive eating and why she is so bitter towards others. She may not have fully forgiven herself. (JUST my opinion/ theory)

Tabbyking

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
she would have been about 6 hours pregnant at most! i agree with crazydog...she took it as a precaution, which it is intended for.

Crossfire

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Based on posts in another thread, it seems that the RU486 is something you take later on as opposed to the Ooops Morning after pill.

Edit: Ok, some of that information is now in this thread as well. Need to move quicker.

Sunshyne4u

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is a full medical description and links for BOTH medications in the Q&A thread....

Zachsmom

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe she views unexpected pregnancy a mistake and not the RU486.

I haven't read the live feeds, so I don't know.

Crazydog

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I did not realize that RU486 and the morning after pill were not the same thing. I had always thought "morning after pill" was the commonly known name for RU486. My error.

If she was indeed pregnant and took this pill, then I just hope that she was fully aware of all her options, etc. I myself don't necessarily agree with abortion, but I am not going to judge her on what is a very personal issue.

But I also don't think that just because a woman has had an abortion and talks about it that she necessarily needs counselling. I don't think we know enough about the situation to say that she has deep feelings of guilt about her decision and that she hates herself.

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have strong views on this subject. Judging Jun wouldn't be fair of me or anyone else, in my opinion. I only wish she had thought very carefully before she spoke about it in the house.

Sunshyne4u

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not judging, sorry to all those who feel this thread was for us to do that. I would love to know if someone caught the whole conversation. I was surprised that the verbal interchange was so short between the three of them that I posted the whole Live Feed Post conversation.
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If anything, I think this gives us a view that Jun is a REAL person, and even though she is on a Reality Show, put out there for everyone to see, she is a person just like US in many ways.

Jadar

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Early on in the game, when Dana was still around, she mentioned having had an abortion. It was only once I heard it and in hush hush kind of way.

Spear

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was the one who posted that conversation on the LFP. I didn't capture every word but they didn't talk that much about it. Hopefully, someone else who heard it can chime in. For what it's worth, I understood Jun to mean that the mistake was in getting pregnant, not in taking RU486.

Monalisahi

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was listening to the live feeds. Here is a summary of the convo:

Robert asked the girls about the type of birth control they used.

Ali said she has been on the pill since she was 14 due to irregular periods. She went off the pill when she went in the house. Rob or Jun asked about her problem, she said it's been regulated so long she's fine now. <didn't make much sense to me>

Then it was Jun's turn, she said (and I'm not really sure I caught this part right) she was on the pill until she and Jee got serious. There were a couple of mistakes <pregnancies is the way I took it by the conversation>. She then said she was one of the first people to use RU486. Alison asked what that was. Jun went on to explain how much it hurt and that she told her parents it was food poisoning. Alison actually piped down during this convo and I was just wondering what Ali's opinion on abortion is. I guess we will find out when she's alone with Robert.

She actually came across to me as being more upset with the physical pain she went through. Or at least she talked more about that.

Spear, is that about what you heard?

Watching2

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Having known someone who was in a very bad situation and did have an abortion, I think they would tell you that BOTH things were a mistake. While there may be relief at first to not have the pregnancy anymore, the guilt of having ended it last for years to come for many women. That's why there's counseling for women who have had abortions and can't get over the guilt of having had one. Our church, while totally pro-life, offers this kind of counseling for women who had an abortion and can't get past the guilt. I know this woman feels so guilty, she can't bring herself to return to church, at least not at this point in her life.

I find it was easy to have a solid opinion until it happened to someone you were close to and see all the aspects of what they could face with either choice they made, and neither was an easy choice. Not judging, just offering what I learned from someone elses "mistakes."

Ezgoing

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I DID hear and see the entire exchange which began when Rob came to the bathroom but Jun was in the WC; Ali was sitting in one of the orange chairs and Rob plopped down by the tub to wait for Jun to come out. She came out and sat in the other orange chair and a discussion ensued about sexual matters (prompted by Rob and Ali talking about Rob taking the remaining condoms--LOL.) They asked each other about where they'd had sex with their BB ex for the first time, moved on to their history of birth control use. Rob made the comment that Jee had told him that he and Jun had not always used prevention, and she agreed, and he said that's common and 'all girls have had accidents'. Ali said SHE hadn't, that except for her time in BB house, she'd been using birth control pills since age 14 due to severe menstrual problems. I honestly do not recall whether it was Ali or Rob who asked Jun 'how about you?' (this conversation was somewhat overlapping but not excited/rushed, just casual.)She said she'd "had two accidents." Ali seemed surprised ("Really?!")and Jun further explained about the procedure, taking the two pills, how it really hurt, Rob chimed in with a comment to indicate he was familiar with this procedure (Ali seemed not to be familiar with it). When Jun was wrapping up her story, Rob said, 'so you had TWO?' and Jun nodded but Ali was talking as well about something and Jun seemed glad to move the conversation away from the other 'accident.' She did not seem especially emotional or bothered by telling it (NOT to imply it didn't matter to her so please do NOT read into that---just trying to 'paint the picture' and hopefully help show how the convo flowed), but my impression was that she distinctly did NOT want to address the second one.

I know in a conversation way back when, where several hgs shared sex histories, in reply to the question about how old they were when they lost their virginity, Jun giggled and whispered that Jee THOUGHT they'd both been virgins but that she hadn't been. In today's conversation, Robert said he KNEW she and Jee had been each other's firsts (when talking about where they'd had sex the first time), so I can see why Jun might have been reluctant to go into any more info IF it happened BEFORE Jee came into the picture. If the other 'accident' happened after Jee, she may have preferred not to be asked about those details too. She just might have realized she had just told a lot more than two people a rather private piece of info and decided to curb her sharing. Several possibilities, but the one thing that struck me clearly was that she had had TWO 'accidents', meaning unplanned pregnancies, which she chose to end.

I was hesitant to post in this thread for fear of arousing strong opinions on this controversial topic (not to mention the controversy surrounding our present hgs, period--LOL). PLEASE understand that I am only making this post since other posters have mentioned they DIDN't see it and then Spear hoped someone else who'd heard it might chime in. I have ZERO desire or opportunity to indulge a discussion about the matter, only wanted to give my objective information (who said what?) and then also my subjective interpretation of it(Jun was saying she'd had TWO pregnancies, or suspected pregnancies, but did not care to discuss both of them, just the one which she implied did occur when she and Jee were together. JMHO)

Ladybug007

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think we should let this conversation end now before it turns into the abortion" topic. This is a tv show...we dont need to go into too much detail about something VERY personal to Jun. And yes, I know she said it on camera...but if you were locked in that place for as long as they have been...some things may come out that the whole internet world need not discuss in GREAT DETAIL.

Spear

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Monalisahi and Ezgoing. My memory is not what it used to be but that sounds right. You caught more than I did since I have a hard time hearing what Jun is saying when she talks softly.

Ezgoing

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spear, I use headphones---helps SOOO much to catch those pesky whispers and soft-spoken ones :). oh, and YW!

LOL--I am such a slow typist nowadays that by the time I tried to submit a self-edit to my post above, the 10 minute edit window had slammed shut. Just wanted to add that by the time I'd posted, I was unaware that Monalisahi had posted too. Like Ladybug said, this IS a very personal and controversial subject. I hope those who read this will know that I only submitted my post in hopes of helping to clarify the convo for my fellow TVCHers. Hope I did.

Eliz87

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe Ali just takes an "I Did It My Way" approach to life. Nothing wrong with that at her age.

Sunshyne4u

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 05:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you all so much for your clarification of the conversation that occurred.

I am sure that others reading the Live Feed Posts, who then come here to read the Discussion Threads, will understand the sensitive nature of Jun's confession.

LadyBug has a great suggestion "we should let this conversation end now before it turns into the abortion" topic" but maybe the MOD can leave the thread as is.....so others can read it and understand.

Bondmaiden

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 06:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Jun's personal business is in the context of the game even if she brought it up herself. Whether(sp) she took a pill right after having sex or a differant pill to bring on an abortion is no business of mine nor should it be anyone else's business. No, I'm not a Jun fan, by the way.

Monalisahi

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 07:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sunshyne, just to clarify, while listening to it, I didn't get the impression that Jun was sensitive about it. As I said, she talked more about the pain (cramps) and how she told her parents it was food poisoning. It wasn't as though they were sitting around having a "feeling" moment. Actually, there was no talk about how she felt about it.

Just wanted to clarify that the way Jun said it, it wasn't some personal and sensitive confession for her. At least, that's the way I heard it.

Bastable

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think RU486's posts are hysterical. He really makes the boards a better place. But that's just my opinion.