Jun throwing HOH comp - Good Strategy?
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Pixieduster | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:58 am     Was it good strategy for Jun to throw the final comp to Ali? She may not have wanted to be the one to evict Robert, but by throwing the comp Ali's way could she lose points with the jury? Robert takes the tape to the sequester house, so the jury will know she threw it on purpose. By giving power over to Ali, did she run the risk of leaving the jury with the final image of her being a floater and ensure Ali's win as the "strongest" player? |
Cliotheleo | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:01 am     It all worked out for her in the end, but I think it was WAY too risky putting so much trust in Ali at that point (or anyone for that matter.) The final HOH is the LAST one you want to throw. I think being the one to evict Robert was a mute point. |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:12 am     I think it was bad strategy. I agree with you Pixie, some of the jury who are on the fence will see Jun as someone who simply coasted along and lucked out into the finals. I think Jack and Erika in particular will not respect that. |
Monalisahi | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:56 am     Looked like Robert's "threats" worked on Jun. |
Lori | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:03 am     Good strategy?...that remains to be seen. I think a better strategy on Jun's part would have been to not so obviously throw the competition. She could have easily wrote a number that was believable but knowing it would be way off the mark. |
Tresbien | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:06 am     They have been discussing that for a week. It was not a last-minute decision on Jun's part. In the end I believe she trusted her alliance with Ali, knowing that either of them would lose to Robert at the end. Perhaps it was an added bonus that Robert threatened not to vote for the one who evicted him, it didn't seem to me that either of them took that seriously since he said it to them both. It was a small risk to trust Ali, for sure, but I think she made the decision to do so and never wavered. Pixie, I don't think Julie said that Robert would be joining the others in the Jury House. Dana thinks she can influence the others. So does Erika. They can rant and rave and rail, but I think in the end each jury member will decide on his or her own criteria. |
Flamingo | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:08 am     I doubt it was a good strategy. For those on the jury who aren't quite sure of who to vote for (I'm thinking everyone except Dana is probably on the fence), they may use it against her. They might be impressed that Alison managed to get her opponent to throw the last HOH. It could also reinforce their (apparent) opinion of her as a floater, who just lucked into the game without having to work terribly hard. |
Spyder | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:12 am     You're right Lori, except that Jun may have been afraid that losing to Ali while trying would be perceived as weaker than losing to Ali intentionally. There was no way that Ali could pick Robert, but it certainly would have been classic to see Jun's expression if she had! I hate it that Ali has played a bolder, more dominant game, bc it would give me so much pleasure to watch her lose. Did anyone else read between the lines when Julie Chen asked Robert if he was going to vote for the most deserving player? I am afraid that the powers that be (CBS) are angling for an Ali win and will try to manipulate the jury in that direction. I think Jun would have had a much stronger case had she won the final and had the guts to make the decision in the end. I was disappointed with the way she threw the comp and especially the way she let Ali trick her into leaving Robert a semi-nasty farewell. The more I think about it, the more I have to admit that Ali has played a better game. It makes me crazy, bc she was the last person I wanted to win. |
Realbiz | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:13 am     yeah, the jury will join him, robert, back in la i think. that is why he got to see his daughter after eviction, he isn't going to the jury house being the final member. i only wish that the finale would be this friday instead of next wednesday - waste of time and lack of climax by dragging the finale another week. it's all about rating. i'll be watching the bachelor 3 premier and taping bb4 next wednesday night. |
Pixieduster | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:15 am     Tres, one of them went into the DR and asked if Robert gets to go to the sequester house and was told yes, for a few days. Lori I agree with you - she could have done it less obviously, but I think she erred in throwing it. |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:15 am     It's all about CBS thinking that if they cut into the Bachelor premiere, then people will be less likely to watch the Bachelor if they miss the first episode. I can't say I blame them, at least they are trying. The Amazing Race was obliterated in the ratings against the Bachelor last year, so they do realize they need to do something. I don't know what show they are scheduling against the Bachelor this time, but I think The Bachelor with Bob will self destruct on its own. |
Bracken | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:33 am     Hard to tell about how the jury will react to this last HOH competition. Does she gain points for not evicting Robert? Does she get demerits for throwing the HOH competition. Hard to tell. I think maybe for many jury members it may very well come down to Jun and Alison's explanation of their game plan when they are questioned. Had I been Jun, I would have been nervous letting Alison win that last HOH, but then I remembered, she would have to live in the house with Robert for a week, plus he had two guaranteed votes in Jee and Justin, something that neither of them can count on. I think Jun was pretty confident that Alison would evict him. How this strategy will play with the jury remains to be seen. |
Steveh | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:42 am     TERRIBLE strategy. How could any other contestant trust Ali one iota? Ali's game-playing involved lying to everyone at all times. No one knew that better than Jun. It worked out okay for her, but, IMO, she took a huge risk. I don't think Robert's vote or avowed campaigning has been affected by who threw him out. The problem is, I'm not sure who he's going to vote for. LOL. But I do think he had has mind made up before the final eviction. I'm leaning toward a bloc vote w/ Dana & the other Stooges (pro-Jun) and my opinion was solidified by Jun's message to him last night where she expressed genuine appreciation for some of the things he did in the last week. Of course if he sees all those diatribes against him (far more Jun than Ali IMO) you can scratch everything I've written. Except that I think it was a bad idea on her part. |
Chiparock | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:52 am     I don't know if this is correct, but it seems to me that Ali also tried to throw the competition by writing "0", probably thinking that Jun would put down a realistic number and be closer (without going over). Because Jun's answer was so obviously incorrect, the focus is on her throwing the comp and not Ali. |
Meggieprice | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:57 am     I think it will not matter in the long run, though it was risky. I think that Jun will be far more articulate with the jury and that will be the determining factor in the votes. Crocodile tears wont do it. |
Steveh | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 11:07 am     The difference between writing zero and a million in the final competition was that the zero could win (even if the other person was over by one) and the million had no chance. |
Monalisahi | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 11:11 am     Chip, they had decided earlier that Jun would throw it. Ali wrote 0, and showed Jun so Jun could throw it. Ali watched what Jun wrote. Had Jun wrote something more accurate, then Ali could have changed hers. There was no risk on Ali's part. Also, the throw wouldn't have been so obvious had Ali been able to answer questions. Jun was trying to throw it throughout the entire thing, and Ali just couldn't answer the questions correctly. |
Missapril | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 11:14 am     The big risk was trusting that Ali would stick to whatever agreement they evidently had and evict robert - and at least the moderately discerning among the jury will see that as big-time risk-taking on Jun's part, a bold move and good strategy. I think the jury members who were played by Ali are going to appreciate and acknowledge Jun getting the better of Ali in the end without Ali even realizing it. Sweet! |
Gidget | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 11:20 am     Her supporters keep saying how smart Ali is. Could it just be everyone else was so dumb it made her look smart? |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 11:20 am     "Jun throwing HOH comp - Good Strategy?" Interesting question. By doing so, she did let it be known to all that she knew that Ali would take her to the finals. It allowed her to avoid being the one *directly* responsible for sending Robert home and possibly incurring the wrath of the 3 stooges (4, if Dana has now been officially inducted into Stooge Hall of Fame). By throwing the comp, Jun sent a message to Robert that Ali, the one he trusted the most, was lying to him the most. I don't believe that Robert is one tenth as gracious as he *pretended* to be on last night's show. He is likely very ANGRY. He truly hated being caged up in that house all summer and because of Ali's choice and her *direct action*, it was all for nothing. I don't think throwing the comp will hurt her. |
Monalisahi | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 11:44 am     How did Jun get the better of Ali? They agreed to take each other because that was the only chance they had with the jury. They knew they couldn't win against anybody else. |
Surreal_Badger | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 11:48 am     i think that jun's OBVIOUS throwing of the game (i mean, she looked right at ali's answer before jotting down her own) might be her tactic to diminish ali's claims to have "wiped the floor with jun." can ali effectively argue she's kicked ass when others in the competition clearly let her win at times? |
Tresbien | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 11:55 am     Thanks, Pixie, I missed it somehow that Robert would be going to the jury house. I was curious about that and didn't hear Julie say that during his interview. I do think Jun made an incredibly bold move and may be rewarded for it in the end. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 01:10 pm     Monalisahi - "How did Jun get the better of Ali?" Jun gave the HOH win to Ali, thus forcing Ali to be the one "directly" responsible for evicting the last stooge. A lot of the ex HGs could go either way in the final vote...I still can't make a confident guess as to who Jack, Nathan, Erika will vote for (Dana clearly will vote for Jun). Robert was the very last remaining hope of a stooge victory, but Jun saw to it that Ali was the one to personally sound the final death knell on that possibility. That certainly won't do anything to gain any "stooge-support". I think a lot of all of their in-house remarks were kept from one another while they were still inside playing the game, but now that they are out of the game, I'm betting they have honestly told one another a LOT of what went on behind each others' backs! Of course, they may still be afraid of Dana's incessant anti-Ali tirades so maybe they haven't said a word about Ali at all! |
Monalisahi | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 01:27 pm     Sanfran, I think it was pretty much a crap shoot. Do you be the one to evict Robert or be the one who hands it over to somebody else? I suppose Jun is thinking....better not to evict Robert, while Ali is thinking.....better to win final HOH. Who knows which will work with the jury? That is why I question how she got the best of Ali and especially the part about Ali not even knowing it. Sure, they each have their different view, but neither knows for sure which will work. |
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