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TV ClubHouse: Archive: CBS owes us an EXPLANATION!!: Archive through September 19, 2003

Earthmother

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, what about Krista's "dirt nap"?

Busydizzle

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not in a tizzy, I was just trying to explain, Helga.

And since I'm the one who said "double-standard", I obviously assumed you were referencing me, Earthmother.

Geez, now I remember why I left this board in the first place. Nobody can have a normal conversation anymore. See ya.

Slothkitten

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Helga, you make a great point about humor!

Funny people that can laugh at themselves as well as others, they do seem to get away w/alot.

Monalisahi

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In all fairness to Jun, I think BB should also put together a montage of Ali's weight gain. I really noticed it tonight on the show. That girl is packing it on herself. Since they did it with Jun, they should do it with Ali.

Earthmother

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Busy, I tend to forget that you can't read inflection. I admitted I made a mistake and didn't read your post well enough..I saw "double-standard" and went off without setting off the tangent alert...lol

Helgapataki

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know I should stop...I just...can't...HELP IT-

Cheif1 said, QUOTE: "it is NOT acceptable to let such filth and life threatening remarks roll of their tongues with such ease!"

Life-threatening was his/her turn of phrase, indicating a seriousness of intent I don't believe was there. Bye, Busy!

Bonza, glad you liked my disclaimer. Feel free to pepper your prose w/it whenever it is pertinent. God I love alliteration!

Coffee

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am more in agreement with Chief 1. Ali and Jun both were saying things about a 7 yr old and Ali saying she wanted to hurt Elena. This is by far the worst hg of all four seasons. I have three grand daughters and there is no way I would let something like this slide by nor would their parents. The hurt in the eyes of children is hard to sit by and watch. The hurt in the eyes of a parent with a child that has been hurt is horrible because the parent feels so helpless for their precious child. Adults are adults but to start going after children is a whole different level of garbage and it should have been dealt with when it happened.

Monalisahi

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What are life threatening remarks? I didn't know remarks could kill you.

<ducks and runs>

Wendo

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Coffe, I don't recall where Ali said she wanted to hurt Elena, nor Jun for that matter.


Earthmother said, "Loved Eddie, potty mouth and all...lol"

Ditto! Loved the guy! Voted for him to win numerous times. LOL!

Earthmother

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know what I really want CBS to explain to me? I want to know why they can't schedule their commercials at different times than NBC or ABC so I can watch other shows during BB and Survivor at the same time without taping one.

Helgapataki

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
heehee, Mona! Sticks and stones, ya know.

I have a wonderful 9 year old and a 9 week old baby. I love them to death (whoops- probably not a good turn of phrase in this thread, let me rephrase...) I love them DEARLY, but even as a parent, I can't justify the level of hostility Alison's obviously sarcastic remarks have evoked.

Seanflynn2003

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Even not serious, which of course they weren't, Allison's comments aren't right. But no threat existed to Elena.
The context was frustration that an undeserving Robert won 3 luxury competitions because of having a daughter. The frustration doesn't excuse the comments, but it's where it came from.

Helgapataki

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And Seanflynn's voice o' reason swoops in...I think that is *precisely* what those comments were about.

Coffee

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert's comments were about frustration too yet he got called for them. Why the bias here is what I would like to know.

As far as Ali saying she wanted to hurt Elena I heard that on LF. She said it and she was not sarcastic - she was angry!

I don't see why these two are the only ones where excuses have to be made for why they said something.

Earthmother

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I got some words of frustration..but we are moderated...

Seanflynn2003

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Coffee, did Robert get ejected by BB for making the comments? And they were constantly made. And HE was the one stupid enough to raise Julie's mentioning them to BB.
There is a difference between a one time comment and a steady flow of invective aimed in one direction.
We all agree - the comments were wrong, but anyone who says they come from the same depth of conviction as have been Robert's about women is watching a different feed than I have.

Wendo

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I disagree about Rober't comments coming from frustration. There were numerous times where he was engaging in casual conversation all the while calling women the names we're all familiar with.

Exactly when and what did Ali say that she actually wanted to hurt Elena Coffee? Because, I've heard the other comments but I've never heard any type of comments such as the one you're claiming. The closest comment I've heard was Jun wanting to destroy Elena's butterfly.

Coffe also said, "I don't see why these two are the only ones where excuses have to be made for why they said something."

And this is the part YOU'RE NOT GETTING. No one here has excused Jun or Ali's behavior. Wanting to understand why things are said and where they come from in no way condones there behavior.

Coffee

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The comments about Elena were a couple different times. The comments much worse than Robert's words that Ali and Jun used continually to trash Robert and other hgs has not been shown on TV. Have you not been watching their continual bashing, horrible names, racist remarks over and over again? Much more than Robert ever said.

I think this shows right here that people go more by what they see on TV and that is why you believe that Robert said it more often than these two.

Seanflynn2003

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My comments are based on the feeds and transcripts.

Coffee

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali said she wanted to hurt Robert because that would hurt Elena.

Wendo

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Coffee, I watch the live feeds. I watch them quite often because I work from home and have them running on my other computer.

As far as racist remarks, Jun nor Ali have made racist remarks. They've made comments about Robert's heritage, but not racist remarks. (Read the definition.)

And, it's apparent we disagree regarding Rob's comments vs Jun and Ali's. I found Rob's comments in the house much worse.

So, don't go assuming I only watch the show when you have absolutely no facts whatsoever.

That is not a threat towards Elena. It's apparent to me, some have gone completely overboard when it comes to Jun and Ali. Why do people continue to watch when you're so obviously upset and offended? It's baffleing.

Helgapataki

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Even Jee appeared to realize that Robert has mysogonistic tendencies. His words indicated a hostility toward women in general. I doubt that Alison, who has repeatedly bleated about wanting to raise babies,* has a general hostility toward children. Her hostility in that instance appeared rather more Robert-focused!

*Another tangent alert: not that wanting babies would indicate an ability to raise them well. Robert also talks about wanting to git busy with women, also not indicating an ability to necessarily treat them well...

Sisalou

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFL Helga! Tangent Alert!

Earthmother

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
every straight man wants to get busy with women...it's their job!!

Coffee

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So is what you are saying that seeing Ali had hostility toward Robert she should take it out on his little girl?

Her mention of children was only to do with getting back with Donny. When Jun talks about wanting children Ali said she didn't want any for some time. I agree with her on this - she is not ready for that and maybe she never will be.