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Babyphat69

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 12:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
is big brother on tonite?

Jbfrommi

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
no, babyphat69 but Fear Factor is :)

Lurknomore

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wouldn't be at all surprised if there are some wildcards and my guesses are wrong but here they are;

Dana- no brainer Jun, she despises Ali

Nate- Ali. I still don't think he totally sees how she just used him and he was all about having fun with her in the sequester house showing he isn't carrying a huge grudge. Am dying to know if he will finally see the light bulb flash when he sees the show.

Erika- Jun. This one I could be wrong on, but think she will vote for Jun because of the way Ali betrayed her.

Jack- Jun. I think he dislikes her less than Ali. He was totally for alliances sticking together, and while they both betrayed them, I think he will feel Ali was sneakier in her play and go with Jun.

Now the Stooges. I think they will continue as they always have, which is voting as a block. And I totally believed Robert when he said to Ali if she didn't take him he would make sure she dosn't win. Also no matter what, Jun and Jee got along ok and have a long history and I think he would rather see someone he once cared about win rather than someone who means nothing to him. And as tight as they keep showing us that Justin is with Dana, I think he wouldn't want to vote for Ali and have to listen to it from her.

So I'm guessing Jun 6, Ali 1

But of course this IS Big Brother and well allegedly have to "Expect the Unexpected." The game never gave that to us, but maybe the voting will LOL. I hope not! lol

BTW my horoscope had that phrase in it today...LOLOL is the astrologer a BB fan?

Cantremember

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 03:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The jury does get to see PARTS of the show (everything but the dairy rooms) so I think that those parts of the show will affect the outcome.

Trubycat

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cantremember, can you verify your info that they get to see everything but the diary room clips BEFORE they vote?

I read a couple articles where it was said that the contestants would see "edited" versions of each weeks show which only contained footage of competitions, nomination ceremonies & evictions. Absolutely no DR and NO strategy sessions would be seen. From the clips they showed of the tapes the bootee brought to the jury house each week, it appears all they got to see was what I stated above.

So, can you verify your info?

Tresbien

Monday, September 22, 2003 - 05:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jpgramma, thanks for noting the HGs parting words as I hadn't read all of those. However, I would point out that some were asked who they want to win and others who they think will win. We might have a better idea of the outcome if all had been asked the same question.

The stabbed in the back comment by Erika disappointed me since she aligned herself with Robert to get rid of Ali before the veto competition. How soon they forget their own backstabbing.

I think Ali will get votes from Nathan and Robert and the rest will go to Jun.

Wendo

Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 02:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cantremember, the jury will only see footage of competitions, nominations, vetos, and evictions. Therefore, Nathan will not see Ali with either Justin or Dave before he makes his vote.

Cousin_Jake

Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 04:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nathan won't see Ali with Justin or Dave but my guess is that he probably got the word in the sequester house. I wish we'd had more feeds from Mexico. I would have been fun to hear what each evicted HG told the others about what had been happening since they left.

Spunky

Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 08:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Even though the majority picked Jun to win, it seems that this year at least the vote may be unpredictable as both finalists seem to be on a same level. It could go either way.
By now we have a winner but still we can't figure out who... the BB cameras follow them the same way...eh, eh..

Trubycat

Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 10:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Outside of Robert, who was the last boot, no one knew what would occur and who the F2 would end up being.

In Justin's final words, he never sees a Jun/Ali F2 coming so he just says he doesn't see either of them winning. Before he left the house, he stated at least once he would never vote for Jun to win.

In Jack's final words, you can tell he never sees an Ali/Jun F2 coming either. Jack completely underestimated Ali through out the whole game. He LIKED Jun but he could end up voting for Ali simply because he never thought she was playing the game at all let alone hardcore.

As far as Erika, she and Robert stated to each other that if Ali ended up winning the last HoH they would both vote for her. If Ali won the last HoH, but Erika was around to vote (not in the F2) then that would mean Ali stabbed her in the back. Also, Erika played strategically. She befriended Ali for strategical reasons and bashed her behind her back constantly. If she votes Jun, she's voting against her own game.

As far as Nathan, he HATED Jun. He called Jun out a couple days before his boot calling her a snake, etc... Nathan might have problems with Ali but I feel much like Robert, his hatred for Jun will overcome any poor feelings he has for Ali.

Also, Ali was responsible for everyone's departure except for Justin. There has been a tide change in Reality TV recently where it's more respectable to vote for the person who got you out. Take Survivor for example, the final immunity winner lost the game and the vote of the last person kicked out (the person they kicked out) in the first 3 seasons but has won the game & vote the last 3 survivors (except for Neleh vs Vee - Neleh got Kathy's vote but lost the game).

I'm not saying Ali will win (still on the fence) but if you don't think she scored major points in the final HoH competition where Jun made it clear she was throwing the comp and Ali called out Robert on his threats (as well as explaining how she played strategically the whole game) then you may be majorly surprised tomorrow night.

Jun is not well-liked and played a game which could be viewed as simply latching onto a stronger player (Ali) and riding it to the finish line.

I don't want to debate Jun's game as I do feel she played well but we saw it all - the jury did not this year. They may not feel she played better than Ali.

Wendo

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 12:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Trubycat, that last HOH is what I think could hurt Jun with the jury. The one weak spot in her virtually flawless game. It's the one thing that continues to nag at me when I think of her winning. It was such an obvious toss to Ali, so much that she waited for Ali to write her answer down before she did hers. Will the jury view Ali as being strong for willing to boot Robert despite his threats? Jun for being cowardly for tossing that last eviction to Ali so she didn't have to do it?

I just honestly don't know. I can say how I would view it. I would view it as Ali standing up and doing the deed despite the possibility of losing the game. She took a chance even though she could lose the big money. Jun, well, she let someone else to the work in the end. For me, personally, I would vote Ali to win. But that's just me. *shrug*

I am looking forward to tomorrows show. I could see it going 7-0 in Jun's favor; but I can see other scenarios too. This year, I'm just not as sure as I have been in the past. (Even though I was a Dani fan last year, I pretty much figured she'd lose; especially after reading Amy's comments before the vote.)

We'll see! Less than 24 hours to go...

Trubycat

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 12:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, I totally agree on how you say you would view the last HoH as a jury member. I think Jun may have thrown the game accidently when it was totally unnecessary. She was too afraid of taking Ali to the finals and appearing the bad guy for taking her there she went overboard throwing the competition at the end making it clear that she wanted to be in the finals with Ali anyway (so what was the point?).

Thus in losing the competition, she allowed Ali the opportunity to speak in a moment she knew would be seen by the jury. Ali's words may have been the final dagger.

She basically spilled the beans that:

1) Ali and Jun had an alliance and
2) Robert failed to break that alliance with his threats.
3) She was able to kiss Robert's butt by telling him she couldn't beat him and therefore he had to go and finally that
4) Robert's boot was just another important step in her long drawn out strategical gameplan.

As people who watch the feeds, read the boards & obsess about the game like us, it's often difficult to put ourselves in the shoes of a blind jury. That is why, while I see several reasons Jun's game could be viewed as better than Ali's I wonder if it didn't just appear to the jury that Jun snitched, switched, floated, hid & skated all the way to the very end.

It would be hard for me to give a vote to someone I thought played that way against someone who worked OT to save her butt every week at all costs. Plus I always believed in the saying "screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me." Ali's only still there because people continually believed her lies when they had absolutely no reason to.

Monalisahi

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 05:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have an entirely different take on the final HOH.

1) Ali wanted it because she felt (and I think had been told, but was also the case from last year) that the winner of the final HOH had the advantage.....that's why she wanted it. Plus it insured her going to final 2. She really didn't trust Jun completely afterall.

2) Her speech to Robert....does the jury get to see her goodbye message? I actually thought it was pretty weak. She didn't want to really get in his face.

3) Jun was trying to throw the entire comp....and even with that, Ali couldn't take it. Had to come down to a tie-breaker.

4) Jun had previously been vocal about the jury not appreciating anybody taking Ali to the finals.

With all of that, I call the final HOH a wash. I wouldn't use it as a deciding factor at all.

Wendo, not to be argumentative, but I disagree that Ali took a risk. I think Jun took the risk in placing her fate in Ali's hands, Ali was only insuring that she went to the F2. BUT, I wouldn't use that as a deciding factor this year.

Surreal_Badger

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
wendo,

i too have a somewhat different take on the last hoh (although, golly, as a jun fan, i was hoping she'd win it).

ali believes that her "strength" in this game in her ability to win competitions. and to a certain extent, of course, she's right.

but jun never claimed that winning competitions was her strength -- or her strategy. (somewhat) like dani last year, jun succeeded in manipulating those who HAD won competitions (particularly jee).

i think that the OBVIOUS throw by jun in the last HOH was jun's attempt to undermine any claims ali could make to "kicking jun's ass." perhaps jun hoped that by "giving" ali the final HOH, she would remind the other hgs of all the times in the game in which they too "gave" the win to someone else.

Wendo

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 11:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Monalisahi said, "Wendo, not to be argumentative, but I disagree that Ali took a risk. I think Jun took the risk in placing her fate in Ali's hands, Ali was only insuring that she went to the F2. BUT, I wouldn't use that as a deciding factor this year."

Not argumentative at all! I agree with you, I don't think Ali took a risk. Only that it's possible the jury may see it that way since they don't have all the information we have. She was definitely insuring herself F2; though she did say in that last HOH talk with Julie she felt pretty good Jun would take her.

You make some good points.


Surreal_Badger, good points too.

It will certainly be interesting to see how the jury has viewed things compared to us out here. Won't it!?

Seanflynn2003

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's my take on likelihood of each vote:

Dana - 95% Jun, 5% Allison
Jack - 70% Jun, 30% Allison
Jee - 60% Jun, 40% Allison
Erika - 50% Jun, 50% Allison
Justin - 40% Jun, 60% Allison
Robert - 30% Jun, 70% Allison
Nathan - 25% Jun, 75% Allison

In my mind, it comes down to about at 53-47% split in favor of Jun.

The key is J3 voting as a block for Allison; I still can;t make my mind up about that. How much sway does Dana have over Justin? Will they really feel that strongly about it (I just don't see Justin extending himself for Allison beyond his own vote.)

If Jee goes for Jun, along with Dana and as I guess Jack, then it could come down to Erika as the swing vote.

Though I strongly want Jun to win, it is going to be exciting to view.

Smarty

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 04:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So sean, you're pretty much telling me it will be 50/50. That's the way i see it, too. We won't know for sure until tonight. The ones I hated most in the house are now the final 2. i don't care who "wins". I can't wait to see the jury's response to the shows though! That will be the REAL reason to watch the show.

Spunky

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 05:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jun knows!!!!!!

Seanflynn2003

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 05:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Knows what, and how so Spunky?

Jpgramma

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 05:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why do youn say that Spunky?

Spunky

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 05:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Knows who won!! eh, eh... but is not telling Ali...

Jpgramma

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 05:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why do you say that? come on.. I don't have live feeds. spill Spunky! lol
(unless it's just because she's smart enough. based on the Q&As they had to know.

7-0 here we come

Spunky

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 05:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Heck, Jun is scared to tell Ali!!!

Seanflynn2003

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 05:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Allison knows from pageants the "if the winner is not able to serve" drill; if Jun is convinced, then it would be from a reading of the questioms, and BB pretty much kept most of that from us

Spunky

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 05:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You couldn't tell from their body language and behavior?

Ali has been fishing for some clue... but only the winner knows.

Me? Pulling your legs?? No!!!!

C1mag

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 05:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think jun "thinks" it's gonna be an easy victory. Thats what she's been thinking all along and thats why she wanted to be in the finals with Ali.

We shall see....

Seanflynn2003

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 05:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to say C1Mag that Ihave gone from an easy Jun victory to much closer; where you and I disagree most I think is on Jack's vote. ANd that goes to the fundamental question of who played the better game, which you and I also disagree on. I agree that Jack is likely to vote for who he thinks is the best game player, but he may have a slight factor of who is the more mature. What ultimately may also weigh down ALlison's chances is reluctance to give someone that young just out of college so much money.
Soon we shall see. Your analysis has always been welcome.

C1mag

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 05:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's fun to guess how they will vote. I'm looking forward to finding out. Either one taking the larger money is cool with me. I just think that we could have a surprise victory but then again it could be an obvious winner. Who know? LOL

Kalihiwahine

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 05:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ditto ditto c1mag

Boberg

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I have my guesses now..
Dana-Jun
Justin-Jun
Nathan-Ali
Jack-Jun
Jee-Jun
Erika-Jun
Robert-Jun

I feel pretty confident in my guesses...LOL>>LOL

Katlady53

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Boberg, do you really think Nate is naive enough to give Ali his vote?

Sheesh, I need to give this some thought before I weigh in.

LOL

Boberg

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Katlady53..I couldn't believe it but Nathan did it again..That boy is something else...LOL

PS>>please do give it careful thought before making those guesses, although I'm feeling pretty secure with mine..at this point...LOL

This years ending was so much more satisfying than last years..Thanks Arnold and Allison..great job..

Katlady53

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I hate to be a copy cat, but I think I'll ditto your answers, Boberg. Lol!

I liked Lisa a lot more than Ali and Jun, but I admit that it was fun to have to evils left at the end.

Kalihiwahine

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurknomore....

RE: your post on this thread on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 02:22 pm

You are the winner of predictions!!!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

I'll just ask YOU next year, instead of watching the final show...