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Gidget | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 12:48 pm     I wish I had the clever skill to superimpose pictures. Wizard of Oz. Dorothy - Julie; Cowardly Lion - Jun; Scarecrow - Robert; Tinman - Ali; Toto - AS |
Wendo | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:04 pm     Cameramanbob, Actually, I agree with you that Jun and Ali are also playing up the Rob hate to each other. (In fact, I suggested this last night.) I think they're both playing each other for various reasons. Jun to keep Ali "mad" at Rob so Ali won't take him to final 2. Ali to keep Jun from going for HOH so that Ali can win that last HOH and have the control. However, even though I believe that is part of what's going on, I also don't disagree that they're also displaying less than attractive behavior. Why did Rob own up? I don't know, I'm not him. Maybe because it was something Julie brought up and he wanted to talk about it. Rob's not very good at keeping quiet. Kale, yes, I know Rob did say something. But as I said, so what, he said something only after it was pointed out to him. At this point, Jun nor Ali have had that same opportunity; to have their behavior called out and be able to own up to what they've said. My point was, I don't think he would've said a thing had it not been brought up by Julie. Ladytex, I agree. I think Ali has taken a lot of crap that should've been laid at Jun's feet. |
Denecee | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:43 pm     Carrie92- So are you telling me that Ali keeps calling Robert's daughter the Bword? What I said in other words is- If Julie brings up the fact that Ali called R's daughter the b word, that Ali will look dumbfounded. I didn't know that Ali has called his daughter the b word more than once. I read the live feeds too, but I have never even seen where she said it in the first place. I do believe she said it but I just can't believe she has repeated it. |
Kalekona | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:57 pm     Wendo- the girls both had an opportunity to say something when Rob essed up to his name calling... how hard would have been to say "yeah i've said some things about you i'm not proud of" Not hard at all, but instead they rip him to shreds behind his back for trying to do the right thing. All i can say is calling a 7 year old the names they have and jun threatening to distroy the butterfly far exceeds anything Robert has said, and it reached a new low. |
Csnog | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:17 pm     Yes Kalekona, we know how much you LOVE Robert. I visited his web site that you post often on. Everything Robert has done is excusable. Everything anybody else did in the house against Robert is terrible. Robert would be right there in the thick of it if there was another male in the house. If and when Robert leaves it may subside just as it has in past years. It's a show!!! |
Avrey258 | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:25 pm     Wow Csnog, that's pretty harsh. I have not been a Robert fan and I think Kale knows that. I don't post a whole lot but I don't think that Ali and Jun's behavior is appropriate in any way. Just as I did not like Robert's comments. However, I do have a pretty good memory and I do not remember Lisa, Jason and Danielle ever talking like this. Did Dani call Roddy the devil? Yes. She also called Amy a lush. These were bad enough. I know that Lisa, Jason and Danielle did not get down in the gutter like these girls have. Threatening violence for the past week is bad enough. I don't know why they have to bring Robert's daughter into it. Shame on them. |
Kalekona | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:34 pm     Csnog - Get your facts straight before you come in here and make clams about me that are false. I e-mailed once to Roberts web-site in the first couple of weeks of the show because all he had was hate mail.. i have not posted on it since. I have always said Robert wasn't perfect, simply that he didn't deserve most of the crap you dished out. Point is Whatever Robert said it wasn't about a 7 year old little girl, nor did he threaten to distroy a gift for a 7 year old little girl. And i'll repeat after reading the feeds for the past few days this morning nothing Robert has said has been as vile as these to females in the past week. |
Bearware | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:36 pm     I really don't understand how any of us can actually be a fan of any of the three left. They have ALL gone to such extremes of bad manners, poor behavior, and displays of moral destitution that I see no one as better than the others. I, in NO way hold myself higher than them, as I believe we ALL have our own 'dark sides' - but I didn't volunteer to air mine on television. All I can hope is that Elena doesn't have the live feeds, and that no one is telling her any of this. |
Moderator | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:44 pm     Hello, everyone! |
Csnog | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:50 pm     I don't "feel" for any of the HG's. I understand that they signed up for a chance to win money on a game show. I sometimes think that the people here are more involved in the HG's lives than they should be. I remember Dani from last year and also Nic from the year before. Jun wants to make sure that Ali takes her to the final 2 and thus keeps the hate remarks towards Robert going. Ali does the same. They have an alliance but they still don't trust each other 100% If Robert had another male in the house he would do the same. It seems as though some have short memories of Robert during the first 2 1/2 months on the show. None of them are angels. |
Osican | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:52 pm     >>>>Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 10:28 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, no, no....I didn't mean the comment about Elena. She doesn't need to be exposed to that in anyway what-so-ever. The less said on that the better<<<<<< Elena, a lovely 7 year old CHILD, didn't need to be exposed to any of this. Much has been said about Robert as a "loving" father....whatever possessed him and his ex-wife to allow this CHILD to be exploited on national TV? It's all well and good if an adult chooses to seek their 15 minutes of fame,(sorry HG's, that's all it's gonna be) but you don't drag an innocent child into it. I am disgusted with all three of the remaining HG's, and fed up with the "low-jinks" in the house. As the Irish say, "May they live in 'interesting' times." |
Triplexxx | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 02:55 pm     Thankfully,i haven`t paid attention this season with the exception of this board and another one.The bashing of a little girl is indefensible,if they were talking about her father,that`s something different,especially when you consider some of the vile he`s exhaled about the women for the most part.Are any of you rooting for any one of these boogers to win,or for Isabel to redirect her path towards L.A.? |
Kalekona | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:01 pm     Csnog - Well we don't know what Robert would be doing now do we.. He had his behavior pointed out to him and just may have curbed his venom, Jun and Ali are in no way any better than Robert and in this case they are worse.. Were you not one of those who went on and on about how he could say those things and have a daughter? Yet it seems ok to you that Jun and Ali have spilled their vile remarks on a 7 year old. And would someone PLEASE teach Ali a phrase other than Pshyco B..ch?? She has used it to discribe Dana, Erika and Jun. It's old and worn out. |
Kalekona | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:03 pm     Hey tripleXXX i'm at work what's happening with Isabel? My daughter is in D.C. and last i heard the PTB were talking about leaving washington.. |
Gvandeli | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:05 pm     I guess I don't remember the final shows very well from last year, but I don't remember the kind of malignant character assassination that is going on in the house this year. I haven't watched the live feeds since Erika left, because I can't stand it. Now mind you, I was an Amy fan last year and even after she left (the 2nd time), I watched the feeds through the final show. I just don't remember the nastiness between Jason, Dani and Lisa that I see displayed among Ali, Jun and Robert. Was it this bad last year and did I just block it out? |
Kalekona | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:11 pm     No it has never been this bad.. in the past the f3 have at least tried to just ride it out and have fun.. but not these three. it's nasty and vile and where is dani and her devil horns when we need her? |
Csnog | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:11 pm     Nope not me, I have never mentioned his daughter. What her mother lets her watch is her business not mine. |
Wendo | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:23 pm     Kalekona said, "Wendo- the girls both had an opportunity to say something when Rob essed up to his name calling...how hard would have been to say "yeah i've said some things about you i'm not proud of" Not hard at all, but instead they rip him to shreds behind his back for trying to do the right thing." Again, Kale, you're not understanding my point. Rob had his behavior POINTED OUT by Julie on the tv show. She actively forced him to hear what he's been saying about women and confront it. Jun and Ali have NOT been given this same opportunity, to have their behavior ACTIVELY POINTED OUT. Just because Robert fessed up after being called on it doesn't mean that Jun and Ali were called on their behavior; THEY WEREN'T. Additionally, up until the point where Julie called Rob out on his behavior he showed absolutely NO REGRET for his negative comments about women. "All i can say is calling a 7 year old the names they have and jun threatening to distroy the butterfly far exceeds anything Robert has said, and it reached a new low." I don't condone the remarks by Jun (or Ali) but I'm not surprised by them. These types of comments about other HG's and their families have been happening since BB2. Heck, Robert made a point of saying how "ugly" Jack's children were. I don't think that's very nice either. But, as I said, this behavior happens. I'm actually amazed that people are surprised by it. Kalekona also said, "And i'll repeat after reading the feeds for the past few days this morning nothing Robert has said has been as vile as these to females in the past week." Sure, not in the past week because there are no other males in the house for him to rant to. (He's not going to go to Jun and complain how women are b**ches, s**ts, and wh**es.) And, while he hasn't said much in the past week, he certainly said quite a bit the past two and a half months. |
Kalekona | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:32 pm     Whatever wendo i really don't understand why you feel the need to argue with me about everything today. Robert was a jerk in the past but he wasn't visicious and mean, he was incesitive and crude and he didn't mount an all out attack on one person and delight in it. These two are getting their kicks from this and that is sick. |
Juiceman | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:37 pm     Im not even going to listen to people trying to make some argument that Robs comments 'cancel' out what these two pieces of garbage have been doing and saying this last few days. Absolutely uncalled for and I see enough reasons that Alison should now be ejected for threatening people with violence. Jun is disgusting and I hope Jack sues her for slander and that Roberts ex-wife gets to meet Jun in person and personally demonstrate her feelings about it. This is NOT funny or outrageous name-calling anymore - this is two sick humans viciously threatening and maliciously ripping people for their own amusement. I will be contacting CBS sponsors including McDonalds and explaining that I dont find this acceptable anymore as a legitimate prime-time presentation and hope they dont associate their name and product with BB4 anymore. I'm truly disgusted now. |
Gvandeli | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:40 pm     I would love to be a little mouse at the cast party this year. Think it will all be forgiven and forgotten by then? |
Caycaye | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:41 pm     Kalekona...don't you know by now that the Ali lovers and Jun lovers will NEVER admit that their heroines are despicable. And haven't you realized that MANY of these posters do not allow you an opinion if it does not agree with theirs without insulting you. (Not you Wendo..you gave your opinion and you made very proper statements for debate! LOL) |
Kalekona | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:43 pm     Wendo- you believe that ali and jun are both smart don't you? Then when Robert told them what Julie had said to him don't you think they thought about what things they might have said? I never said they had been forced to look at their behavior but once the subject came up anyone with any morals at all would have been thinking "have i said something like that" But then i don't think these two have any morals. (until this week i thought at least jun had empathy towards others but now...this is no longer game play or venting and it's ugly. I think these two are on the wrong show and should have spent time with the originals on Paradise Hotel. |
Justalittlebean | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:44 pm     I'm going to do the same thing Juiceman contacting McDonalds, and whoever associated with BB4. This has gone beyond entertainment. Everyone should also let CBS know what they think of the show. I'm really disappointed. I've followed it every year and this sinks to a new low. |
Cricket | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:46 pm     Csnog stated: "Jun wants to make sure that Ali takes her to the final 2 and thus keeps the hate remarks towards Robert going.' That's it exactly, Csnog. I agree with your 3:12 pm post. The girls did get 'riled up' at Robert and are saying stupid things. It's a "Yeah, take that and Yeah take this" type of yakking going on. I don't feel in real life Jun (and don't think Ali) would call a little girl this name or threaten to break her butterfly. Robert is also bullying and threatening both of them. He is no innocent bystander here. |
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