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Crossfire

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Revenge.

C1mag

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hear ya Bastable. I asked the same question.. what would running it prove? You can get the same information on the internet with daily live feeds and of coarse boards like this.

I think some of the desire is the hope that somewhere someone is going to reveal a side of Jun and Ali that someone is not aware of. The info is out there in droves if someone is interested. I think it may be a bit personal as well. This usually happens as we get down to the home stretch of this game.

C1mag

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Revenge would be a good example, but then the question is revenge from what?

Crossfire

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wasn't terribly descriptive. Sorry :)

Revenge. People participating in the national pastime of moral outrage, want some payback. The goal is a national shaming of those who committed the objectionable act. As it stands, not only are they outraged that such an act has taken place, but even worse, they are just a few days away from being rewarded for it.

Friktion

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1, I think that most of the problems with today's society is that decent people won't speak up. I'm not going to get into a debate about "free speech" but being disgusted and voicing that disgust is about the only way that some people get the message that even if there's no legal repercussions for your actions/speech, there SHOULD be decent limits on it. And please don't ask me who decides what the limits are, etc. Simply speaking up to declare where your personal "line in the sand" occurs is where it starts. And most people today are too passive or busy being PC to bother doing that. My own is when children are being hurt and/or hatred is spewed. And yes, I'm as disgusted at all three of them. Because I think this particular thread is too long already, please excuse me if I don't respond to anymore things on it. It's not that I can't defend my point of view, it's that I don't think the discussion warrants any prolongation. I'm weary of all three of the "guests" and their vicious behavior and can't wait for the show to end.

Bastable

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wish the decent people would speak up about corporate and government greed, war, and violence--we don't need decent people to speak up about a stupid TV show when other things are so much more important. IMO.

Monalisahi

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they should air the girl's remarks about Robert and his daughter.

They have portrayed Robert in a certain light. Yes, he is the one who said it and yes, he is responsible for his words. But, not everybody has the LF's to see it so by airing it, CBS has shown the world what he said and rightfully so, viewers form an opinion of him based on that.

Fair is fair.

Shine the light on Ali and Jun now. I think a phone call to the mother and providing her with an edited tape of the show for Elena would take care of personal embarrassment. They could even throw in extra footage of her Dad on that tape.

I think the remarks of Elena show something about their character (or lack of) outside the house since it had absolutely nothing to do with the game. Even as mad and upset as Erika was with Robert at times, she never attacked his daughter. I think that is a line the majority won't cross.

So CBS, c'mon. Be fair. Show America what these girls are all about. Let America form an opinion on them based on their remarks toward a 7 yr old little girl just as you let them form an opinion of Robert based on his remarks toward women.

Maris

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What is the purpose of airing the comments about Roberts daughter? That somehow people will be made aware of what these two players are like. Well if they dont know what Ali and Jun are like by now then they havent watched the game. The only thing that will be gained would be to hurt a child that watches the show. What satisfaction is there in that? Not much compared to the effect it could have on the child. Airing the comments would be more hurtful to the child and I think CBS would be sinking to a new low if they aired it.

Kalekona

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1- it is clear because it is Robert we are talking about you think it's ok.
well check other web sites America does not think the child deserved any of this no matter what her father said.
But worse than anything Robert has said is the delight these to take in topping the vileness of the last comment. Calling a child a b@tch is bad, but what bothers me even more is the comment about the butterfly... it was cruel and illustrated the envy these two feel. So America didn't choice them, guess what even if robert had no child they wouldn't have chosen either Ali or Jun anyway. They both are sure they are going home with the money and robert nothing and yet AC still bothers them so much, why? They are not the center of attention, the darlings of the show.
And before you say i feel this way onkly because it's robert let me stop you.. i would feel the exact same way if it was anyone else.

Spunky

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I'm satisfied that we made enough noise on this board and expressed our outrage at these BB4 ugliest finalists.
Just because one of them is going to be a winner of 500k doesn't mean that we have to put them on a pedestal. CBS may have an interest in not showing the bad side of the winner but we have no such interest and I'm glad people feel free to express their anger on this board.
This board is our only tool to do so since we will never meet these people to spit on their face and I'm glad I could say a word or two about their ugliness. They couldn't care less but I feel better saying how much I dislike them.
This year I'm not going to cheer the winner and I hope many on this board won't go wild with their "congratulations" posts.

Kalekona

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
spunky if CBS can't/won't show the girls behavior to the public i hope they at least do show it to the HG before the cast party... then i want to be a fly on the wall..

Gina8642

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
CBS has shown their bad side, over, and over, and over again. The only false editing all year was Robert's positive editing early on - they've since fixed that - completely! The viewers have received a very clear pix of the bashing and envy Jun & Ali display on a near hourly basis. The viewers have seen Robert's deragatory comments towards women. They've seen Jun & Ali's reaction to those comments. I will have no problems with CBS if they show the comments about Elena. I really don't get why anyone thinks showing the smallness of Jun & Ali would hurt Elena. If CBS chooses not to show them - I really don't care either.

I really don't think CBS has been hiding any of this, or editing anyone to come accross as more positive or more negative than they do on the live feeds - I think this year we've seen a more accurate protrayal than ever before.

IMO - The only thing CBS has consistently obfuscated this year is the vote, alliances, and who is likely to go - and that is for suspense and ratings.

Spunky

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think we may be confusing one thing... I'm really not insisting on CBS showing us the bad side of the finalists, we've seen plenty of that on the show, what I meant was to MAKE THEM realize they are not respected by BB followers. I cannot stand the fact that they are under this illusion of being liked, those fake websites only fueled their egocentrism. They may win the money but that does not mean that they're deserving of congratulations and someone should tell them so (I know, I know they'll show that they couldn't care less but deep down I know they'll be pissed).

Bearware

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
At this point, all I really care about is protecting that little girl. I detest all three of the finalists, for their own individual reasons...but that child does not need to be the object of any more ridicule. By airing the comments on the air, Amanda would see them, her friends would see them, and once seen, they would not be easily forgotten. Yes, America would be more disgusted, but does that really matter in the long run of things? Is the welfare of an innocent not much more important?

Meggieprice

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Gina- I expect they will show it in some form.I agree with you that CBS has done a good job of portraying these trends in the house and I expect to see a montage of Ali and Jun bashing folks.

They did show them calling it Robert's Choice and- Jun even said "We're such b!tches!" I had to laugh at that.

I hardly could dislike Ali in particular more after her DRs last night. Edited they may be but they certainly showed her in a very negative light.

Monalisahi

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, I agree. I don't see how showing it would hurt Elena (provided CBS gives her mother a call to forewarn her and provide her with an edited tape for Elena)

Spunky

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sure, Jun said that more than once, she likes to be one and wants Ali to know she's in that same category.
One thing is admitting she's one and one thing is to be told she's one. These people need TO BE TOLD. They can laugh at their own admissions but it may irked at them to actually hear it from someone else. That's my point.

Jbfrommi

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Even if they didn't let Elena watch that part of the tape, what about classmates coming up to her and saying they saw those evil women calling her a b!tch on tv. It would even be worse than if she watched it herself. Kids can be cruel.

Spunky

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sooner or later Elena will know, she can't stay 7 for ever and the internet keeps records of past BB discussions. Too sad.

Monalisahi

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jb, of course I can't expect all of America to be like me and not allow a 7 yr old to watch a show which shows 2 people having sex or has constant bleeping or where even the host says words like "b@tches, wh*res, and sl^ts" but I don't think after viewing it that nobody would think less of Elena. But one thing the mother could do would be to have Elena's friends over to watch the edited tape of her Dad. That would be something which could give her a sense of pride about her Dad which possibly could have been diminished in the eyes of those classmates you are speaking of when CBS aired his remarks.

I think it could actually benefit her and not hurt her if handled correctly.

Eeyoreslament

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 12:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If we supposed that Ali and Jun's remarks calling Robert's daughter were either retaliatory, or just going along with Robert's rule that all women are those "names". I think I would have been happier if Jun/Ali confronted Robert and said "So how would you feel if someone called your daughter a ______?" That would have been a mature way to handle it. However Gina said it best that two wrongs don't make a right. I think that's why many people are harbouring some form of negativity towards them. I also think that negativity is justified.

I also agree with Gina in that I just sigh and feel pity for these two girls. I kind of understand it with Robert. He is misogynistic as a sort of a defense mechanism. I'm almost willing to BET on that. But these two girls are just plain MEAN.

The argument that we can't judge them because we aren't IN the house and aren't feeling cabin fever is a load of bull. Houseguests in the past have remained CLASSY and gone far in the game, and kept their composure. I will judge these guests based on past guests' actions. The cabin fever thing is not a valid argument for someone to lose all social responsibility.

I agree with the poster that wrote how it is scary that these people are gay-bashing and racial slurring and not being held accountable for it. That's my biggest issue. If BB producers can influence the game by the way they ask their DR questions, then why can't they influence the HG's to try to act with a LITTLE BIT more class.

ed. - my apologies in advance to Gina for using the word "we" in my post. I'm too lazy to change it, and that's how I speak in real life. I by no means imply that everyone agrees with my post here. :-)

Spyder

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I join the viewers in urging CBS to reveal Jun & Ali's darkside to the general (ie- non internet) public. I have no love for Robert, but now that CBS has made a point of exposing his misogynistic comments, it is only fair play to equally highlight Ali and Jun's classless, bigoted remarks.

Robert will have to live with his comments. Jun and Ali deserve no less.

Spunky

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 12:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But they did show us their dark side!!!
What's funny is CBS doesn't want to let them know we know, giving them the illusion they're very popular and fans adoring them (fake websites as exemple).
By the time they come out into the real world it wouldn't matter to them as they'll be enjoying their fame and money.
They should be told how much they're disliked while they're in the house.

C1mag

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag does NOT think that the comments made about Roberts daughter are "ok" because she is Roberts daughter.

C1mag does think this suggestion of revenge by airing the comments on TV is a joke and that if we were to check we'd find that the majority of those who are upset are using this as a form to villify two contestants in this game that they haven't cared for in a long time.

It is humorous to suggest that CBS must show these comments to the 3 people left in America who do not have internet access. For what reason? Because they will somehow FREAK OUT and call CBS and demand that these two don't recieve any money? This is Big Brother not a camp out for the girlscouts. LMAO!

Maris

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well Spunky, their first mistake will be assuming they will be enjoying fame and fortune. Fame? nope not going to happen. Lisa maybe went to a bunch of parties and that was it. Dr. Will same thing parties and also interviewed on Bravo show. All the wannabe actors that show up on Big Brother never get jobs. They move out to LA with some idea that their futures will be made. If they want to hobnob with the rich and famous they should move to NY and get a job at Barneys. They would have a better chance of meeting more famous people there.