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Spyder

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun herself admitted her biggest mistakes in the game-- 1) trash talking Dana to Robert (no-that won't get back to Dana, who WAS a Jun ally) 2) leaving mean "goodbye messages" (she said to the 1st 4 departing HGs, but I thought her message to Robert was anti-strategic)

I keep wavering back and forth between the 2 possible outcomes. Part of this is due to clever editing by the producers, who have planted hints (which may be total disinformation)
on which way the votes will go. Voting is a weird thing. Josh last year. Kristi (?) the deaf girl on survivor who vowed she would not vote for one of the "evil stepsisters" to win. Who knows what actually factors in to these decisions.

I only hope that BB gives us some "behind the scenes" deliberations, so that we can have a satisfying conclusion to the game.

Spunky

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun is just trying to avoid embarrassments... she may not think Ali as articulate as Jun is and wants the two winners to be well spoken and worthy of their win.

I noticed Jun cringing sometimes when Julie asked Ali questions always expecting some screw ups.. I think she's giving Ali hints so that they both look good...

Notorioussun

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You all better hope they don't see the clip of Jun calling Elena the B word and saying she would never see that butterfly, as well as calling Robert That Cuban ---. I'm confused as to why everyone thinks Jun is so much better.

Crazydog

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think this is an odd strategy indeed, but maybe she is so confident she will win. Ali is convinced that she will lose, and maybe Jun is just trying to help her avoid a big embarrassment. After Dana left, Jun was closest to Alison, even though she didn't like her. Maybe the two have really bonded in recent days with their bash fests and anti-Robert alliance. Who knows.

I think it's very admirable of Jun to try and coach Ali, even though I believe Ali will still be flustered. I bet she will get questions she doesn't expect.

Notorioussun

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nobody answered my question.

Crossfire

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whew...nine minutes, and demanding an answer.

I might have offered an opinion, but I'm not among those who see's such a clear distinction between Jun and Ali.

Hang in there, someone will get you a reply.

Pixieduster

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Notorious - go over to the Who do you want to win thread. (don't know how to link it or I would).

There's some comments there that may answer your question.

Pixieduster

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm, try this. ../10972/1104074.html?1063997474

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Does the jury questioning even matter? I think they have already decided who they are going to vote for. (We KNOW that Dana has! lol) In any case, does anyone think a jury member would switch a vote based on the answers of two people that they already know have lied to get where they are?

The only time I remember seeing a jury member actually change their vote during questioning was in Survivor 1....when Gervase said that he had intended to vote for Richard, until Susan made her famous no water/vultures speech and he thought that was so over the top and mean, he changed his vote to Kelly. Of course, his vote change was based on what another jury member said, not on the answers of Richrd and Kelly.

Carrie92

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Notorious - I think Jun is slightly better.... the vicious comments she has made in the past couple weeks have all been said by Alison first. I think she might not be that mean a person, but just playing back Ali's comments to assure Ali of their alliance. Or at least that's what I'm hoping.
I have really liked her up until the past few weeks. And remember, she was very hospitable and adorable with the mime. And she cooked for everyone - she even offered to cook for Jee while the rest of the house was on PBJ. I guess I just see some redeeming qualities in her and I have yet to see one in Alison.

Crazydog

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe that Colleen changed her vote too. I recall her saying something like "I came here thinking I was going to vote for the other person, but I'm changing my vote." She ended up voting for Kelly.

Steveh

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To answer the original question in this thread:

Low self-esteem, co-dependent leanings, spiced by a dollop of primal fear (not sure whether it's of "turning lesbo" or not).

Seamonkey

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Could Jun just be a kind person and also want to discuss this topic of mutual interest?? I'd rather hear them try to imagine the questions that have them get stinking drunk and start trying to matchmake or some of the stuff that went on last year (even though some of it was pretty entertaining)

Earthmother

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 04:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
someone has to help her, she killed all the bugs.

Idolworship

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Earthmother, 50k is quite enough to buy all of the Raid she can use;)

Wendo

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
After tonight's show, I'd say Jun feels confident. Not definite that she's going to win, but confident that she has a better chance than Ali.


Charvie said, "Alison has been lying for most of the game. THe game is over and she still is lying."

The game is not over at all, by a long shot. Ali may still be lying to Jun because she doesn't know what Jun plans on saying about her (Ali) during the interview with the jury. I see no problem with her continuing to lie. Until the jury's keys are in the box, this game is not over at all.


Carrie92 said, "I think Jun is slightly better.... the vicious comments she has made in the past couple weeks have all been said by Alison first."

So, because Ali made the same comments as Jun, but first, Jun is the better person? (Yeah, that makes sense.)

Bondmaiden

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know Wendo, isn't that the craziest reasoning you ever heard?

Monalisahi

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo said: The game is not over at all, by a long shot. Ali may still be lying to Jun because she doesn't know what Jun plans on saying about her (Ali) during the interview with the jury. I see no problem with her continuing to lie. Until the jury's keys are in the box, this game is not over at all.


Wendo, you think Ali will be honest when the hg's confront her after viewing the tapes? It will be after the vote.

Bondmaiden

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It doesn't matter how mad they are, they have to vote before viewing the shows.

Caycaye

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Carrie92...your reasoning is EXACTLY how I have figured the behavior of Jun as opposed to Ali. ALi does relishe her wickedness..and something is wrong with that!

Sabiho

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Notori, Jun is not any better than Ali, but I'd rather Jun get it than a spoiled little brat.

Wendo

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Monalisahi said, "Wendo, you think Ali will be honest when the hg's confront her after viewing the tapes? It will be after the vote."

Hmm, I don't know. I would think by that point, yes. It's not like she can hide anything anymore. By then, it's all out on the table.

Maybe not lie, but some creative editing? LOL!

Angelsluv

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 11:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
SteveH, Now seriously, do you really thing that last remark was neccessary?

I'm tellin' ya', my friggin halo is gonna fall off!

Queenfish

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 05:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
geez notorious, I'm still waiting on an answer to a question I asked a day and a half ago. I am use to it though. Everyones mind, especially during the last couple of weeks of BB or Survivor is just going every witchaway and stuff gets overlooked. Glad you got an answer though.

Csnog

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 06:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The jury has voted.

They voted yesterday after asking both Jun and Ali questions. The jury will put the key into the box of the person that they want to win.

It seems the HG's have seen "some" of the tapes after the jury's questions because they have spoken about things that they had not seen.

The jury is now watching tapes that BB wants them to see. We don't know if it is all the shows or just a short version. They (BB) probably cut the commercials and reviews shown at the begining of each show thus getting each show down to 30 minutes or so. The show never showed Jun and Ali referring to Roberts daughter.

The jury will be seeing all of their warts, scheming, name calling and back stabbing not just Jun and Ali's.

Some of the HG's were nicer than others but they were not perfect. If they were, we would not watch the show and we would not be here doing to them the same as they did in the house.

Twiggyish

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 07:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What's your question Queenfish? You might have to ask again. You're right about everyone getting caught up into things. We also have Survivor now..that's a lot to handle..LOL

Draheid

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 10:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Queenfish, I found your question in the archives so hopefully this will answer it for you. Sorry I didn't see it sooner.

From all I've read and heard so far, the Jury will only have seen the competitions on the tapes the evicted houseguests have brought to the sequester house. Then they will hold the Q&A (this has already been done yesterday I believe). Next they cast their official votes. Finally they will see the tapes of the shows in preparation for the reunion of all the former Houseguests on the live show Wednesday night.

Now that I think about it, other then the fact that they were there, I wonder if the 'newly evicted' people in the sequester house were allowed to go back and view the previous competitions on the tapes brought in by earlier evictees. My thought is that they may see the other HGs in a different way by watching the competition rather then only seeing what could be seen during the competition. Does that make sense?

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This just proves why Draheid should be awarded the TVCH Medal of Honor- he is so caring about stuff like Queenfish not getting her question answered. Love you Dra!