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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Ali's Parents' Interview: Archive through September 18, 2003

Bomom

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Was anyone else as speechless as I was at the attitude of Ali's parents? I can't imagine one day being proud of my daughter for, quote, backstabbing and manipulating. They seem to be completely supportive of this girl's behavior in the house, right down to her so called "flirting". I felt like it was a sad commentary on how self-centered, egomaniacs are made.

Wendo

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought it was nice to see two parents who clearly love their child, warts and all.

Max

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, it's nice that they love her. HOwever, I was saddened to see that they seemed to think her strengths included the ability to lie, backstab, and manipulate people using any methods possible, including her sexuality.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Love is grand, parenting is difficult, role models they may not be :(

I liked Robert's dad and stepmom better.

Lancecrossfire

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Their response was not what I was expecting--and was a bit taken back by it.

In trying to be objective, here is what I've come up with. First, the rules of the game--Ali has played within them. Flirting, backstabbing, lying are all part of what's allowed. And as far as I can tell, welcomed by the producers for ratings.

That said, I will also say this--in life and in most games, one can follow the rules but still be a slime-ball. Ethics are not a single system.

As pointed out by our instructor for an ethics class at work, used car salesmen have their own set of ethics--yet to most of us, we would never recognize it as anything we would call ethical.

For me, what is most important is about what it says about the person--or has a great chance of saying.

Can someone who isn't used to lying, backstabbing and doing just about anything to further themselves going to be very good at it when they try it? Or does it take someone who has done it a lot to be convincing and good at it?

For me, I believe the latter of the two is true. If I am right, then when Justin said at the beginning of the show (a lt of weeks ago) that Ali is a compulsive liar, maybe he was speaking from first hand experience.

Her parents pretty much eluded she has used these skills previously--at least the "backstabbing"--they came right out and said it.

So, are her parents correct that BB is indeed a game where you must be good at these skills in order to win?

Jhezzie

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 12:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No kidding. She was probably never Miss Congeniality, lol.

Whit4you

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 12:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Biting tounge....

(surpised a MOM would start a thread dissing a parents pride in their child... I for one am very pround my son's not on the America's most wanted list... )

HINT - it's a TV GAME SHOW.... I'll say it a little slower... a T V G A M E S H O W....

Lurknomore

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 12:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
All I can say is it gave me a much clearer understanding of how Ali is the person we have seen on the show, and why she thinks her behavior is ok

(eyes glance skyward with a soft thanks to my folks for instilling very different values)

Wendo

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 12:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Whit!

T V G a m e S h o w

Got it. LOL!

Crossfire

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 12:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am going to give the parents a pass. I figure they are just putting the best face on it that they can. If they want to rip her a new one, they can take her aside and do that in private. That is what I imagine parents do.

Philamom

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Speaking as a mother, I can only say that Ali's parents really had no choice but to defend their child. As appalled as I am by some of Ali's actions, if I were her mother (God forbid), I'd put on my game face and defend her to the end. They have to support her, at least publicly. It would look even worse if they were to rip her apart on national TV. But ... when I got her alone, I'd tear her to shreds.

Something else I noticed last time about Ali's mother and again this time -- I can't put my finger on it, but she seems a little ... "off," I guess is the word I'm looking for. I don't know what it is, I wish I could figure it out. Did anyone else get that impression, or was it just me?

Toolhound

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Ali's parents were great. They understand that this is a game show and their Daughter went there to win it. She might not be a favorite on this board but she is a great game player like her or not.

Smowen99

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think her parent's were very supportive. Well, of course they would be.....they are about to be debt free!

Superchick

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think if Ali told her parents she was going on a game show called "Hugs and Puppies and Sweet Minty kisses: The all you need is Love game", and then started backstabbing and manipulating to win they wouldn't be so supportive but --hello its Big Brother4!

Ddr1135

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My thought was the apple didn't fall far from the tree. Gheesh, they certainly gave the pageant world a good name. Wonder how many pageants Ali would win now?

Lostintheglades

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep Philamom...not sure what to make of Ali's mom.
Perhaps she just didn't like the camera's??, But she seemed very uncomfortable with the whole thing.

And I too would defend my kids to anyone and then do what Philamom does.

Lucymac

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can understand their defending her, but while I may be wrong, I felt like they were saying what you see is what you get with Ali rather than this is something she is doing because she has to in order to win the game. I too felt like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I didn't expect them to criticise her but I did expect them to say there is more to Ali then what you see on the show.

Sheilaree

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just who do you think Ali learned all that from, it had to be one of the parents teaching her that or she saw them do it themselves.

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wasn't surprised at all. They are just like her and she is just like them.

Missapril

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Ali gets her attitude that she can hurt and cause harm to others with impunity because she's a 'beauty queen' honestly. Her parents' evident pride in her lack of character throughout the game and 'using her tools' to progress tells a horrifying story that her life will likely follow much to Ali's detriment (eventually displaying the ravages of such a life in every line and crease and sag in her prematurely aged skin like her mother, no doubt...). Fact is, what goes around comes around and Ali is probably going to get her first big mouthful of that bad taste as a result of being on this show. She probably hasn't had to face the consequences of a lifetime of manuipulation, telling the truth in a way to deliberately give someone the wrong impression and generally using people to achieve your goals (rather than depending on your own skills and talent and ability) but she many now. It would be a valuable lesson for her to learn now - makes one wonder if just such an attitude is the reason why her dad, a purported lawyer, isn't more successful than Ali claims he is...

Vskatefan

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert's parents showed support and love for him but also acknowledged that he made mistakes in the house. That is what most parents would do. Game show or no, Ali's parents came across to me as people who just think their kid is The Best Little Girl in the World and have spoiled her from day one. It is no wonder Ali is the person she is. If I had a daughter, I would not want her to use her body to get ahead whether it was in a game or not. It shows no self-respect. I think Ali perhaps has had a shallow upbringing.

Maris

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali said very very early on in the show that her father told her to do what she had to to win and she also said that her father was obsessed with money. I remember her saying that he would be really angry if she didnt come home with the money so I am not surprised at all by what we saw of her parents.

Bronxie

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali sure chose the right profession (lawyer) to utilize her manipulative, coniving, lying and crying techniques that she does so well.

Missapril

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If my dad described me as the best BSer in the house, I wouldn't take that as a token of his love and support... maybe others would.

Missy2

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I really like both Ali and Jun - I'm happy they made it to the end. They are the most deserving hg's because they played the best and the proof is they are in the final two. What I like about them is they both played hard and I didn't get that feeling of under the radar (which kind of bugs me). I don't know who deserves to win more, but I will be happy to see either win. Ali's parents support is great - she's a great player and no doubt a great person in real life.