Archive through September 15, 2003
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Archive through September 15, 2003
Cliotheleo | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:34 pm     Pixie .......... and I would agree with you, if this was year one or even last year, (and I'll echo everyone's references to Only's wonderful thread.) But ultimately, it's whatever gets you to the end that matters ........ and ALL the nice folks are off camera right now. You should come join us over at the BBS at Dave's site. There's a general lack of non-psycho people there and we need all the non-crazies we can get! |
Wendo | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 12:13 am     I'd like to comment on two things. One, Ali and Dave's flirtation that night in her bed. Actually, it was Dave who went to Ali's bed that night and initiated their kissing session. He even admitted this on this past Wednesday's show, that he did it to get her to vote to keep him in the house. So, it wasn't Ali who went sl*tting for Dave, it was Dave who went sl*tting for Ali. Had he not made the move, I doubt the event would have happened. Two, regarding Ali's comment about Erika looking like a cancer patient. Ali made that comment to Erika after the first week Erika was on PB&J. Erika laughed at the comment and agreed. Then, two weeks ago, the same comment was made about Erika, and again, Erika was there to hear it. Erika has heard this comment and is aware of it. |
Caycaye | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 01:08 am     So if Jee heard Erika's racist comments about him, that would have been OK? |
Tamalyn | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 02:06 am     Quote "that Ii longed for a player who had no compunction about lying, manipulating, backstabbing...anything just to get to the big prize-well, lo and behold I got it in Ali and I realise that is not what I want in a winner at all." maybe ali realised this? and that why she has played this way? you cannot say she has played a bad game, she is all the way to the finals, who cares if she portrays herself as being a , she may be a lovely person - if Justin votes for her, i will then know that she is a nice person in real life! and I really think he will vote for her. |
Nanc | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 02:24 am     I think the so-called "racist" comment Erika made is way over blown. My opinion is based only on what I've seen reported, because I didn't see the actually event. If she called him a f-ing Korean immigrant in an angry moment, it's not like calling him a chink or other slur. It's a discriptive epitaph. Nathan was called a f-ing Okie, Erica was called a Los Angles b*tch, and so on. In fact, now that I think of it, Nathan was subjected to a lot more hateful comments about his origins and accent than anyone. We Okies know a putdown when we hear one. |
Demeter | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:18 am     For me, Ali has been a competitive player, but not a very likeable player. She may well end up winning the game of Big Brother, but she will have lost so much in the process. I imagine she has lost her boyfriend. She has lost the respect of many in a large viewing audience. It will taint her future efforts. In the house, she certainly grates on my nerves with her screaming and baby-talk. She has not shown much of a compassionate side to her...when she does, it is colored by her ease of deceit, so I don't trust it. She is 23, but comes across like a 16 year-old most of the time (to me). Some talk about her level of narcissism. The sad thing is, no matter whether she feeds off the positive or negative she gets from this, she will likely end up having pain beneath all the bravado. That part is sad. Has she played a good game? Yes, because she is still there, if the object of the game is to "win" the jury's vote. Should she be rewarded for her behavior? I don't think so. I think it reinforces the negative. That it doesn't matter what you do to get there. The ends justify the means. Arnie made it clear in one of his early interviews that Alison was his favorite. Do you think her comments made yesterday about Rob (especially the "f-ing Cuban ") will make it on the air like Erika's did, or Rob's? I highly doubt it. |
Boberg | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:28 am     Demeter you give her too much credit..lol..I was thinking more of a two year old when I watched her reaction to the mime playfully hiding her stuffed animals. I think Ali will do fine in the shark infested bottom feeding atmosphere of a law firm..I just hope for her own happiness that some of her narcissim eventualy wears off as she matures and she is able to learn the true joy of loving and caring about others. All JMHO. |
Gidget | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:55 am     What the heck happened here??? We were all playing so nicely last night. I had to go to bed because I am on the East Coast. Plus, Woodpecker was making suggestive comments I come back this morning and we are back to too many subjective comments. Go for the facts people. Side comments about Ali are not necessary to point up your dislike for her. She obliging provides all the material you could ever need just by opening her mouth. |
Monalisahi | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:38 am     WHOA! This thread was busy yesterday. I'll see if I can catch up in 1 post. No, I would not be proud of Ali's actions in the house if she were my daughter. Of course, I wouldn't have told my daughter to use her body, as Ali's Dad supposedly did. I have a competitive daughter, and she wins based on her abilities, and she is great at teaching and encouraging others along the way. She NEVER sits and bashes others. I have said that I do admire Ali for her competiveness in the COMPETITIONS, that is the ONLY reason she is still in the house. It hasn't been her overall game play which has kept her in the house, that is why they all have tried or wanted to get her out. Ali just kept winning the veto. And I have no problem with her flirting with Nathan to get him to use the veto, that was strategic game play on her part. Nathan was the fool for falling for it. What bothers me about Ali, and I think shows the type of person she truly is, are her actions that serve no purpose in the game. Calling somebody a child molestor is completely out of line. (I wish BB would have some rule regarding this.) She is constantly lying, and does it with such ease, and so much of it has nothing to do with the game. She has not only bashed hg's, but also her own mother and her bf and his family. I do believe Alison will be hurt by being disliked so much. It's evident in many of the things she has said that acceptance is very important to her. She was definitely upset by Robert winning all of the AC's. Perhaps that is why she attacked his daughter (if that happened, I missed it, only going by what's posted on this thread). I sure wouldn't put it past her though, sounds exactly like something she would do. Actually, I've quit watching the LF's. I could care less which one of them win it now. I did like Ali in the beginning, but she turned me off some time ago. She probably will win it though, since I dislike her the most.....LOL......that's who always wins every one of these shows. I guess the only question which remains to be answered is, which one has Ali been lying to now? |
Lancecrossfire | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 09:37 am     I can't figure out Ali's issue with the physical violence threats all the time. Based on the LFP, she is continually saying what she would do physically to Robert, made those kinds of comments a number of times about the mime, and yesterday made a comment that if Donny even has dated a woman she will break his legs (or maybe it was one leg). In the context of the game, physical threats are against the rules--but maybe they have to be made in the presence of the other person? Or maybe the producers do not take them seriously. Just seems out of line and in no way is a part of playing the game. A lot has been made about Robert and his comments--and for good reason. Ali's comments (and also jun's) have ranked right up there as well. There is a lot of commenting about hating the other people too. As other people have pointed out (including Jun) hate the game, not the player. They need to take their own advice. I hope Ali doesn't actually believe the way to deal with everything is through violence. She hasn't shown it in behavior in the game so far--at least that is a good thing. |
Gidget | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 09:52 am     Lance- Her own mother said we have not seen her (Ali's) temper. I find it difficult to perceive women as physically violent, as that is generally not the norm. But if you haven't noticed, woman are being given a different message in today's media than back in our day. Think back to older movies and TV. When a woman went after a man, she slapped him. If she pointed a gun at him, she didn't have the nerve to pull the trigger. Today, even on TV, if the woman is mad, she cold cocks the guy. And he invariably is knocked down, usually by some tiny little girl. We have a plethora of programming in which woman are physically agressive and regularly beat the cr@p out of guys. I am all for equality. BUT I have no delusions that I am likely to over power a man by punching him in the face. And I have every reason to believe that violence begets violence. I don't even slug my husband in fun because he is not made of stone and it does hurt. Don't get me wrong, if we are talking life or death I would have no problem pulling the trigger. Anyway, my point is, Ali's comments may be a product of her times. Also, a few months back I saw a special on TV about teen violent dating relationships. If I had not seen that, I would never have given credence to a young woman like Ali being in an abusive relationship. But apparently it is more common than is generally known. |
Gina8642 | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:33 am     I think most of Alison's 'threats of physical violence' are seen as empty threats by BB - so they don't act on them. I'm not saying it is right or wrong for them to treat them this way, but I sure have never taken her seriously and have just dismissed them as common phrases I hear in everyday life and conversation. Frankly, early in the season, I was suprised BB didn't step in when Ali was sparring with various HGs. That struck me as dangerous to both parties. |
Gidget | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:39 am     Gina, you just helped make my point <common phrases I hear in everyday life and conversation>. And I totally forgot about the sparring. Also, a good example. The guys were letting her beat on them. I'm sure her punches did not feel like butterfly kisses. But they had to act all manly and take it. But when one of them slipped and accidentally hit her, she was hurt. She did blow it off after a bit of whining. But she did get a good smack and it was accidental without even trying to hurt her. |
Denecee | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 01:10 pm     Does Ali give beauty pagents contestants a bad name or what? I have always thought the girls who did pagents were suppose to be full of sugar & spice and everything nice. Ali oops! |
Gidget | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 01:16 pm     Thank goodness we were treated to a nice young lady pageant contestant in BB1. Jamie wasn't perfect. But the worst thing she did was take a phone call from an agent instead of her mom. I'm sure mom was saying 'go Jamie'. For all I know Jamie might be a real beach but the time she was on BB she was a nice young lady. What one would expect from a pageant winner. I mean what with all the sorting. Guess a few bad apples manage to sneak thru and give the whole process a bad name. |
Bondmaiden | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 02:54 pm     Oh please, C1 said he hopes next year the whole house is full of Ali's. So do I. Game on. Please turn your tv channel if you don't want to watch Ali, she is the whole show,honey. |
R151996 | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 03:01 pm     Did I miss a beauty pageant in the house? But since the topic has been mentioned, nearly three years of representation as a winner of Miss Pennsylvania preliminary pageants tells me more about the real Ali than do 2 1/2 months in the Big Brother house. Pageants are an extremely networked environment, and if a winner doesn't not represent herself well in her first title she wouldn't get to win a second or third title as Ali did. |
Woodpecke® | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 03:22 pm     You say networked, I say inner politics. You say entertaining, I say vulgar. Such a quandary. |
Wendo | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 03:24 pm     Ugh, personally I didn't like Jamie from BB1 all that much in the house. (No idea what she's like in real life.) |
Gidget | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 03:30 pm     Jamie was not my favorite guest either. I only mention her because a. she was an actual state level winner and b. she carried herself in the house like a woman who respected herself and c. apparently beauty pageant contestants come in all varieties. |
Bondmaiden | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 03:33 pm     Watch a show you don't like, can't stand the cast, think the producer is wrong- spend the whole summer yelling about it. Does that make anyone feel like an idiot? Just asking. |
Woodpecke® | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 03:34 pm     Can you imagine Jamie in the final 3 right now? I wonder what Alison would say to her? It would probably include "&^%$#$%^@#". |
Gidget | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 03:36 pm     Funny Wood. And if the baiting doesn't back down, I'm calling the Mod Squad!! |
Woodpecke® | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 03:36 pm     I'll agree to feeling like an idiot if you will. I'll be the happy moron with the sense of humor. Pass the peanut butter. |
Wendo | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 03:37 pm     Wood, Jamie wouldn't have lasted to the jury. |
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