Archive through September 14, 2003
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Archive through September 14, 2003
Onlyhuman | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 02:33 pm     K9lover, I've reached the conclusion that they are BOTH the real Ali. She can play nice and sweet and mean and hateful. It's just two sides to her personality. She can switch them so fast because there is not a great deal of depth to either feeling. |
Fan3 | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 02:34 pm     Sorry, I seen it the day it posted. Ali was in pink binki laying in tub water runing she had put bubbles in and was deep in her conv. and start to was between her legs and her legs were apart. someone captured it with web captures. Just think she thinks she is so modest she such see this when she gets out. |
Lori | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 03:03 pm     That tub shot was an awful scenario...I can't believe it was deliberate...not even from Ali! |
R151996 | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 03:04 pm     Moderators, the quote that Ali just made is a perfect title for this thread: "Love me or hate me...I'm always on your mind." Fan3, I was watching when it happened, and that would be the soft R I mentioned. Can't be more than that if nothing's uncovered...and nothing was. You see more than that at many beaches. |
Wendo | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 03:08 pm     R1, and, judging by the amount of posts Ali gets here, she's got a point. LOL! |
Caycaye | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 09:31 pm     Woodpecke and Avery 258....You are both right on the money about Alison. It's about time someone regards character as more important than "winning". Yes, it seems like the people with any scruples or character have been kicked off the show already, with no chance to "win" big money. But in my book, and a lot of other people with morals and standards, there is a step that you just do NOT go beyond in trying to "WIN" this game. Oh well...we always have next year if we bother. |
K9lover1 | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 10:25 pm     Cay -I agree with you 100% |
Seamonkey | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 04:59 am     You can see a difference with these final three. Robert is bashing Jun, trying to get Ali to assure him of F2. Jun is bashing Robert, and believes she is in a solid alliance with Ali, so she speaks with confidence of them winning. Ali bashes Robert to Jun. Ali bashes Jun to Robert. Ali also creates partial or totally untrue statements and feeds that to Robert to ensure that his hatred of Jun grows. (e.g., Ali will have a conversation with Jun where both bash Robert, both are cocky, both talk of being F2, and then minutes later Ali will report to Robert, without Robert even asking, that Jun is cocky, Jun assumes she's going to F2 and that Jun wants to tell Robert he is leaving.) Ali manages to participate in a bashing session and then report that session as if she had said nothing and, in fact, act extremely irate that someone would say things, things that she, herself, said. Jun has not talked trash with Robert behind Ali's back since F3, that I know of. Last night, Jun stated that Robert wasn't campaigning with her. True. Ali stated that Robert wasn't campaigning with her. Untrue. I just can't admire her tactics. I can say she's good at getting what she wants, but I could say that of a serial bank robber or murderer, until they are caught, or someone who lies to people and embezzles money.. they are good at what they do, but they aren't good people for doing what they do well. |
Smokey | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 05:10 am     Seamonkey--Amen. |
Monalisahi | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 05:36 am     I can admire Alison for her competiveness in the competitions. But I cannot admire her for the following: ~ The way she has spoken of her mother. ~ The useless bashing. I agree some bashing is needed for the game, and even that some is warranted, but she takes it far beyond these points. ~ Her language ~ Her lies. Again, some is needed for the game, but it seems like she lies about everything, game related or not. Lying just seems to come too easy and too natural for Alison (must be something she does a lot of in "real life"). Alison seems to be the type of person who has to build herself up by knocking others down. If she were my daughter, I would be incredibly hurt and ashamed of her actions and words in the house. Oh, and as for her charity work, of course she has worked for charities......she's part of a dance team not to mention a pageant contestant. I'm sure they do activities for the community and it looks good on her applications. |
Gina8642 | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 06:52 am     Love her or hate her. Alison now has something close to a 100% chance of making final two. Robert wants to take her, Jun wants to take her, and Ali will take herself. So, pretty much, she is guarenteed $20,000 more dollars than 11 other people who played the game. |
Rhett | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:14 am     "So, pretty much, she is guarenteed $20,000 more dollars than 11 other people who played the game." I agree, so why doesn't she chill and quit bashing everyone, could it be that she isn't the nicest kid on the block? I think maybe this kind of game was made for her type of person. |
Woodpecke® | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:36 am     Rhett says: "Why doesn't she(Alison)chill and quit bashing everyone, could it be that she isn't the nicest kid on the block? I think maybe this kind of game was made for her type of person." I don't know about that, but sometimes it's wise to quit while you're ahead. The Alison we are seeing in this game IS the real Alison. |
Nexell2 | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:36 am     Did the Big Brother contract say you had to act nice to win? |
Pixieduster | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:04 am     Hi, First Time Poster here. I wanted to put in several cents worth of observation - pure assumption, speculation, intuition, etc. Ali was an ice skater and beauty pagent contestant. I have no idea at what age her competitive nature was truly sparked but consider that in those arenas she was driven to be prettier than and better than anyone else. Her family structure could have encouraged her by in fact telling her that she was better than, prettier than anyone else. She would have learned to listen and observe - seeing what people responded to positively in others and then said or did those things to win points too. I believe those kind of environments can teach positive competition - to be your very best and accept yourself and others as they are, be happy for whoever wins, etc. They can also teach and imprint negative aspects of competition - cheat, lie, say whatever anyone wants to hear to win and get angry if someone does better than you. Ali will say what she thinks people want to hear. She'll turn right around and bash that person to someone else based on what she feels they want to hear or based on what they think. My opinion and observation is that this is part of her nature, not just the game. As Rhett mentioned, now that they're down to the final 3, the level of nastiness and bashing of ex-houseguests isn't necessary. There have been a couple of DR sessions where I think she may regret having said and done some of the things she has; but they're fleeting, brief moments. My sense is that she has to quickly replace those kind of feelings, however, with ones where she gets tough again because she's just not comfortable questioning herself or looking too deeply inside. I attribute that to her youth as well as to her upbringing. Obviously I have no idea how she was brought up, how her parents raised her, etc. Just pure speculation and assumption on my part. I don't care for Ali's behaviors and actions, don't want her to win, think she's a bad example for others...but I feel for her at the same time - thinking that at some point her behaviors and actions are all going to come back and hit her hard. |
Wahmmy | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:12 am     But, the thing is, she isn't prettier or smarter than the average person. She is very average kind of a dough-faced girl. What makes her unique is that she is really a mean vicious person. She is also very infantile and wants to be treated as an adult, though displaying very childlike behavior. That is never accepted in the real world, except when one is very wealthy, or has very wealthy parents. But, she swears they are not. All of these HGs want to get alot of money without working for it. Please, don't tell me how hard it is to spend three months with total strangers. These people are attention mongers, they really think that they will be stars when this is over. Maybe the movie they should have had in the luxury competition should have been the BRAVO special. |
Woodpecke® | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:18 am     To be fair, and I think it's proper to point out, Alison is a beauty pageant winner. I happen to think she's average looking, but obviously I'm not qualified to be a judge. |
Mkcantjump | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:29 am     I thought Dani was a mean , vicious player last year but that didn't seem to stop the outrage from most of the posters on this board from yelling about how unfair the final vote was. Her behavior seemed to be just fine with most of the posters. I find that very interesting. |
Seamonkey | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:41 am     It wasn't fine with me last year. |
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