How much influence will Dana have on the sequestered HGs?
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Brotherman

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 01:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She has had several weeks to work votes against Alison (if she makes the final two), and New Yorkers are known for being quite persuasive.

Seamonkey

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think each person who enters that house will contribute their own bias. I suspect Jack might be a good sounding board for several of them.

Anneph

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 03:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think as much as Erica - she told Jun that she was going to spend the week telling them of Ali's goings on.

Missy2

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 03:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think everyone will vote what they want without influence of others. They seem like a bunch of strong and opinionated people.

Csnog

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
None.

Crazydog

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 07:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It is the same as Survivor. As each HG arrives at Loser Island, they will each tell their own versions of what has happened up to their point in time.

I don't understand why everyone always is saying that BB final jury votes must be influenced (Chilltown, Roddy, Dana) but nobody ever says anything of the sort with regard to Survivor.

Boberg

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 07:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazydog..I would suspect it is because we don't get live feeds of "Survivor" and watch them like we do BB so we don't spend as much time pondering possibilites..JMHO

C1mag

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 07:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If anything her blatant hatred may get Ali a few more votes. She will never lead this group into a voting block. They'd just let her babble on and on and then they'd go vote the way they want to.

Csnog

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 07:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Survivor jury is kept in the area.

Until this year, the jury of BB was allowed to return home, read the internet, watch the tapes and the shows thus influencing their votes on who played the best game within the house.

Wendo

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 07:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Dana has as much influence as she thinks she does. If she did, would she have been voted out unanimously? She may rant, rave, purse her face about Ali to the jury, but as Missy2 said, this group is pretty opinionated. I don't think any of them would allow another jury member to tell them how to vote.

Marymary

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems like MOST of the jury has had their own experiences with Alison. Dana will surely put her 2 cents in but,I think they will compare experiences and react with a 'mob' mentality. Anger encouraged certainly feeds itself and GROWS. Thank God they are NOT in the same room when they vote...there could be a lynching!

Crazydog

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mary, I believe they all vote in secret in the Diary Room, but they are definitely all in the same room when they reveal the votes. Maybe we can still get our lynching!!!

What555456

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I doubt Dana will have that much influence, if any. When she was in the house, she had almost none except the week she won HoH. She got it then only by playing recklessly. Her influence did not even extend two days after she ended her stint as HoH because she was immediately nominated and then voted off a few days later.

Dana's influence was a flash in the pan, created only because she was HoH.

If anyone will have influence it will be Justin. He seems to be God to a couple of people and well liked and respected by others.

However, I suspect this will be a pretty independent group when they vote. They will take other's opinions into account, but each will decide on their own. I do not see any alliance voting this year.

Gina8642

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's less about Dana influencing the incoming jury members and more about them influencing her. She's pretty impressionable and it's easy to hurt her feelings. Nathan may be filling her head with all sorts of bad stuff about Jun. Justin may also influence her away from Jun and toward Robert. Not that I think Justin talks much trash, but Justin did feel betrayed by Jun and will probably tell Dana that Jun switched her alliances as soon as Dana was evicted. I hope Dana just steers clear of Jack. He's been unbearably cruel towards her and she doesn't need another one of his mind f-s.

Onlyhuman

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, I think that you are right, in terms of Dana be easily influenced and they all know it. During the POV meeting that Jun won (when Robert & Justin were nominated) Justin made specific reference to Jun jumping sides. He later said that he said that because he wanted Dana to see Jun admit that she had switched sides.

Looking at them all interact (in the brief moments we get to see) it does look like they all get along pretty well. It will be interesting to see what stories they have to tell about the jury house when this is all over. It will also be interesting to see how Erika's arrival changes the dynamic.

Spunky

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wait till Robert gets there and tells them how he hated Jun, he'll convince Erika to vote for Ali and that's all Ali needs to win.

Spunky

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ooops, sorry, I don't think Robert has any time to tell his story.. too bad.

Marymary

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 07:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Who would vote for Alison anyway? Erika or Jack? I have to say, I think they both disliked her personally AND her technique. Justin or Dana?
Seriously...Justin calls her a pathological liar and Dana, well...so many levels...her 'new' bed partner's 'old' bed partner...her own eviction. So that's 4 votes for whoever is the other finalist. Nathan...I'll bet he's heard more than once about thinking with LITTLE Nathan when he vetoed her eviction. And do you reckon anyone told him about the whispering that she thought he was gay. Surely he wouldn't vote for her to win the BIG $$$. I believe Jee would vote for Rob or Jun over Ali, for sure! I don't have any idea who Rob would vote for between Ali and Jun. And the same for Jun. It would be one thing if they were all setting aside their feelings and emotions. But how do you do that? It's a big part of who you are...even when you think you are operating completely from your intellect...there has to be some influence. So I guess I don't think it makes any difference about Dana except, and sorry to repeat myself but anger does seem to feed and grow in a group. All that said, I still wish that Ali was going to be voting and NOT winning. All my opinion, of course!

Gen

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 07:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think that we really know how the sequestered HG are getting along. We see a few minutes of them out of a whole week and most of that is staged. Judging by how edited the competing HG are during 3 TV shows vs the live feeds, there is no way we can know what is really going on in the jury house. Now if we had live feeds from the jury house .........

Kmjm

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 07:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, I know that Jack used the "buzzard's crotch" comment in the DR behind Dana's back, but she won't know about that until the game is over. How else was he "unbearably cruel" to her? I don't remember Jack being cruel to anyone so I'm interested in the reasons for your comment.

Onlyhuman

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 09:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gen, I realize that we don't know how they all get along, but if you ignore the staged parts and look at the individuals, you can pick up a lot from the body language.

Here's a little example. In last week's clip, just before Jee makes his comment about Dana and Justin "getting it on" he asks her something that we can't hear (Dana's voice from her interview is being dubbed over this part), to which she replies "good". She looks quite shy, with her eyes down and her body pulled in, which is much different than her normal aggressive stance. Given that Jee immediately says "you guys have been getting it on" an educated guess would be that he asked her something about Justin. What's interesting is that Jack puts his hand on the back of her neck, in a soothing or comforting manner, which is incredibly supportive. Now, Jack has always been a nice guy, but it's not like he and Dana were best friends in the house, so that kind of gesture is a small sign that things in the jury house are going well.

And yes, I spend way too much time analyzing things like this...

Bigsister

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 12:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Onlyhuman, those are very interesting observations. You have a rare talent for picking up on small gestures which most of us overlook. Thanks for sharing.

Jhezzie

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they have had time to unwind and let their guard down. They're relaxing and playing in a beautiful resort and are relating to each other in a very different way. The last couple of evictees are probably still steamed, but I think sequestering them in a plush resort will totally soften what we saw in the BB house. I'm not saying they will forget the knives in the back, but it won't be a "fresh" wound. JMO.:)

Gina8642

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Overall I think Jack's been a pretty nice upstanding guy. I also think he is smart and knows manners, knows how to treat people with kindness. The two things I find unbearable cruel that Jack did to Dana was one - the buzzard comment. Two - going to Dana a few days before she was voted off and telling her that the Jee3 conspired against her and deliberately lost the HOH that Alison won because the Jee3 wanted to get rid of Dana. He told her Justin was just using her. Basically it was a mind f-. It made Dana feel really, really, sh$$y about herself. For me, it served no purpose in the game. Dana was already going, she and every other person in the house knew she was going. Jack was trying to stir up Sh%$ by being mentally cruel to someone who was completely defenseless and could no longer improve Jack's or anyone esle's standing in the game. For me, it was the epitome of kicking someone when they were down. I don't think my description really gives justice to the cruelty of the comments - if you'd seen Dana afterwards, maybe it would make more sense. At 58 he should know better than to treat people like that. I just think it was the meanest, most unnecessary thing I've seen this season.

BTW - I've read a million posts defending Jack - so I really don't need anymore everybody. I'm only responding to a question. Thanks!

Lorry

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Gina... it was a unnecessary and senseless bit of cruelty. I was very surprised, not that he did it, but that he did it knowing we the internet saw him. I think most of Jack's nice guy persona was created by himself. I don't think he realized we would see his created persona slip.

Grits

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"...and New Yorkers are known for being quite persuasive"

Well, only if they have a gun in their hand. Otherwise they are mostly irritating, especially if they have that accent.

Kmjm

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Gina, I've been gone all day and just read your answer. That must have happened one of those weeks while I was on vacation this summer.

Bastable

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not much. She's no Roddy; she can't change everyone's votes the way he did.

Brotherman

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 06:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey, no negative comments about New Yorkers! I have family and friends from The Big Apple. The people are a little tough on the outside but inside they are very kind and extremely helpful to those in need, as demonstrated during 9-11 and the Blackout of 2003.

Caramella

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 11:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Honestly, I don't think Dana will have much control over the other HGs. I think Alison has done enough damage all on her own to show that she'll have a hard time winning this thing. Even Jee told her himself before he was voted out that she made ALOT of enemies and it will be hard for her to win the 500K. The only person that might throw her a vote is Nathan, And well, we all know how stupid he is...

Brotherman

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm still sore about that New Yorkers comment.

Just a few famous New Yorkers:

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, basketball player
Humphrey Bogart, actor
James Cagney, actor
Maria Callas, soprano
Benjamin N. Cardozo, jurist
Paddy Chayefsky, playwright
Sean Combs (Puff Daddy, Puffy, P-Diddy), music
Peter Cooper industrialist, philanthropist
Aaron Copland, composer
Claire Danes, actress
Sammy Davis, Jr., actor, singer
Henry Louis Gehrig, baseball player
George Gershwin, composer
Jackie Gleason, comedian, actor
Chamique Holdsclaw, basketball player
Washington Irving, author
Henry James, author
John Jay, jurist
Michael Jordan, basketball player
Jerome Kern, composer
Vince Lombardi, football coach
Chico, Groucho, Harpo, Zeppo Marx, comedians
Herman Melville, author
Ethel Merman, singer, actress
Eugene O'Neill, playwright, NYC
Christopher Reeve, actor, spokesperson
Norman Rockwell, painter
Mickey Rooney, actor
Anna Eleanor Roosevelt, reformer, humanitarian
Theodore Roosevelt, U.S. president
Jonas Salk, polio researcher
Barbara Stanwyck, actress
Barbra Streisand, singer, actress
Tupac Shakur, rapper
Martin Van Buren, U.S. president
Mae West, actress

So there!

Anymum

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 06:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not a Dana, Allison, or Jun fan. That being said I noticed when they were showing the jury clips of the house that when Ali was talking, Dana was looking extremely jealous...like she had just taken a big bite out of a lemon! I think she still harbors feeling of anger towards Ali and would vote for Jun.

In BB3 IMO Danielle was a victim of the "mob mentality". Lisa lucked out.