"F" this, and "F" that...
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Bohawkins | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 04:18 pm     What was amusing about my last post was that I misspelled the word "conversation." Normally, I am a stellar speller. It was funny to look back and see that inadvertant typo in the middle of that discussion about spelling. |
Bondmaiden | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 04:23 pm     Very intellegent post Bohawk. I suggest to anyone who is bothered by the"f" word to read Phillip Roth's "The Human Stain". Part of the story in the beginning is about words used to the point that the polically correctness of the 1990's causes the main character's life to be ruined...{quote}- "I will flunk any kid in my class that uses the word closure".. I love that. We are so hung up on words that we can't even breathe. It's a wonder we can even make our way down the street anymore without stepping on someones toes. |
Nexell2 | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 05:26 pm     Good book. |
Eliz87 | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 06:13 pm     Well, the reality is that the "F" word is a word that does offend some people. However, those who are offended by the use of it on this particular show should realize that in reality, some people do use this word habitually and since this is a reality show, one might expect to find people with habits different from one's own, whether it concerns vocabulary, mispronunciation of "common" words, etc. I don't think it would be fair for the producers to tell the contestants to tone the language down, because this would be telling the contestants to be someone other than themselves. Hence, it would no longer be a true reality show. Gosh I hope that made sense. |
Bondmaiden | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:21 am     Yes, Eliz, you made sense, but there are a lot of people that will argue that it is not true reality and the "people I know don't go around talking like that all the time"...blah blah blah, you get the picture. |
Beruthiel | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 03:08 am     I'm sure that the producers DID warn the Hgs to tone down the language in at least one of the previous seasons, perhaps the Nicole/Will one? That's why it's bothered me just a little that they haven't this year. Is it because standards have dropped even further in such a short time, or is it just more of the producers wanting as much controversy and thus publicity as they can get? MaryMary, amazing and interesting example you posted. I'm going to have to try it out and see what transpires. I love learning something new! |
Bondmaiden | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 03:27 am     I doubt Arnie is at all interested in changing the show to please the politically correct viewer. His ratings are great. Thank you Arnie for refusing to appease the annoying pc faction of our society. |
Watching2 | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 05:04 am     One thought and it doesn't mean I'm condoning how much they are using the word. I often find if I'm around people long enough, I unconsciously find myself picking up their words when talking with them. I even pick up accents when I spend a day or so with some people. I end up sounding like a Southerner after I spend a couple of days with one of my friends. I know I cleaned up my mouth bigtime when my kids were young. Somehow when they turned into teens and their language got bad, I would find myself slipping and using words I found disgusting to hear out of anyone elses mouth. I used to get totally ticked off with my husband if he said particular words in anger when the kids were around. Now I'm afraid to admit, I let them fly myself far too often. Of course, even in my younger years when I used to let them roll off my tongue liberally with my friends, I always knew when NOT to use them; around my parent's & their peers, in the work environment and just anywhere in public where it would be found offensive to anyone. I have to admit after hearing all of them talk so much and that one tends to forget about the cameras after a while, I fear I might be spewing a lot more words than I normally ever would. Does it make it a good thing or a justification, not really. It just helps me to be more understanding that I might swear a lot more than I do in that situation. I would hope I'd have enough thought to watch my mouth since I'm older and have kids, but I wouldn't say I'd never use the words. FWIW |
Mkcantjump | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:46 am     Hurray for Arnie! |
Creampuff | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:04 am     I agree with so many of the comments on this topic. That said I must say, Yes, I know what they are faced with: Yes, it is their prerogative to talk however they want to talk and the biggie with me is that I feel badly that they are so vocabulary challenged that they have no alternate choices with which to express themselves. Most of us know all the 'words' and yet it's a matter of self discipline (and self respect) as to whether we use them . . . something which seems lacking in their situation. |
Mkcantjump | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:55 am     May I repeat, hurray for Arnie. |
Kmjm | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 10:04 am     The only reason why the HGs use the f word, either on BB or in real life, is because it is - however slightly- seen as socially taboo. They do it for the shock effect, and it replaces the use of a wider variety of words. Personally I would find it more effective to call someone a "loathsome slug" than a "f'n assh*le"! In general it shows the HG's lack of imagination and ignorance of language. It is totally boring to hear any word endlessly repeated, and a person who uses profanity excessively (there's a time and a place for ALL language, even the f word!) does not impress others with their smarts or sophistication. Most people figure that out as they get older and cut down on the amount of swearing that they did while young and immature. Most of the HGs are young, unimaginative people who are willing to be bored out their minds for money. Being without books for 3 months is not a problem for them. They aren't people with big vocabularies or a wide range of life experience. Jack, who is a writer and a mature person, never swore to excess (buzzard's crotch was far more effective!). I agree that in real life, people like Jun and Jee probably don't swear so much. They adopt that language to fit in with the others, a wise defensive move. |
Nexell2 | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 10:48 am     It's pretty stupid to get upset over anything said on a television reality show. Why watch if you can't take the language? |
Kmjm | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 12:28 pm     Doesn't upset me, it just bores the heck out of me, plus it's annoying since I have to ask my 10 year old to leave the room if I have the live feeds on. |
Creampuff | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 01:42 pm     It's not a matter with me if I can or can't take the language. I'd probably make the same comment as I did if they used any other word excessively and couldn't express themselves without it! Over time repetition in anything becomes tiresome. |
Roamjotiba | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:07 pm     I just think they need to be reminded they are on network television and their conversations aren't very fluid when every other work is silenced out. |
Nexell2 | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:18 pm     CBS makes their own rules. |
Watching2 | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:08 pm     Good idea Roam. I'd take that a bit further and have BB show them some footage of themselves on the show with every other word bleeped out. It wouldn't take much put it together. There's enough to pick from! I think that might make them think a bit more about what they say. |
Lori | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:10 pm     The HG's overuse of the "f" word has bothered me from the beginning. They use it as an adjective, as a verb and as a noun. Boring, Boring, Boring...they really need to increase their vocabularies. I'm sorry...but it just makes them sound ignorant! As Kmjm pointed out, Jack seldom swore and his buzzard crotch comment was classic! |
Bondmaiden | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:23 pm     As much as I liked Jack, if he were in the house now at the end, it would really be boring listening to his Kennedy speeches. It's already boring but that would really put me to sleep and I know the ratings would have gone down. This is what leads me to believe CBS or the producers have a little something to say about who is in the house the last 2 weeks. |
Beruthiel | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 02:20 am     I'm not easily shocked - Erika's joke about the blimp amused me, for example - and their use of bad language doesn't shock me as much as bore me to tears. I've been so thankful that lack of time to watch caused me to abstain from buying the feeds this year, since just reading the LF posts has made me understand that I'd have switched them off and left them off soon after listening to this bunch for a day or two. Their conversation is pitifully lacking in anything resembling intelligent thought or interest in a wider world. No wonder they're mind-numbingly bored, they bore themselves and us. Jack at least took his mind away from the game and thought about something other than who's lying to who, etc. Even those arch rivals Nicole and Will talked about movies and music. It's an astonishing thing to see myself post this, but I have to salute the skills of the editors and producers of the show, who have managed to provide such relatively good ratings with such poor material to work with. If I had the misfortune to spend any time with these people I'd make darn sure it would never happen again. There is more evidence of intelligence and considered thought in the threads here, thank goodness, than we're ever likely to hear from the mouths of these people. Thank you, everyone here, for making this BB bearable rather than intolerable!  |
Sia | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 04:56 am     Marymary, I just flipped back to the beginning of this thread and found your post with the words jumbled (except for the first and last letters), and I am totally AMAZED at that finding! Let me tell you, I read the passage with no difficulty, but then to test the theory I asked my six-year-old son to read it, and he didn't falter (except at the word "rest," which he pronounced "reset"). He read the sentence aloud very rapidly. I was most impressed!! Where did that article come from, please? I find that totally FASCINATING!!! Thanks for posting. |
Bohawkins | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 05:17 am     I tinhk taht Mraymray's psotnig was ficnkug azmnaig. Tihs is how I wtrie now. Erneyvoe seems to udenrtnsad idmaeatleiy. Ndooby gveis an "f wrod" how tnhnigs are slepeld. |
Dan | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 06:34 am     The HG might be under the impression that if they use foul language, it won't be shown on TV. They are wrong of course but they don't know that. I don't know if the extracts of past competitions they were shown was with or without sound but I believe they are more careful in those circumstances because they know it will be presented on TV. Maybe a little presentation of past salty episodes shown on TV (possibly involving evicted HG in order not to divulge any secret talks) would bring them to there senses. I am pretty sure they don't speak like that in the real world. Some of them were definitively influenced by others in the house. BTW, I am surprised that even within this thread nobody dared to spell the F words (and others) in full. Even those who say they are not bothered by it and that it only reflects what the HG are saying are still using abbreviations here to talk about it. |
Marymary | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 06:49 am     Sia posted: Where did that article come from, please? I find that totally FASCINATING!!! Sorry, it was emailed to me just the way I posted it. I will ask the friend who sent it to me where it came from. It does look like an interesting study. If I can get any info about it, I will put it here. |
Marymary | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 06:58 am     Dan, that's because if the words are spelled out they are removed by the moderators and sometimes the results are unintelligible. This way at least we all know what we're talking about. |
Chiparock | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 09:40 am     Bohawkins, YOU are "ficnkug azmnaig"! |
Earthmother | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 10:00 am     Well it doesn't bother me, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy like being home...lol |
Nexell2 | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 10:10 am     Dan, some of us would love to spell out the words but unlike CBS, this board is highly moderated. You never get use to it but you deal. |
Lori | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 12:07 pm     LOL Earthmother! |
Beruthiel | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 03:19 pm     Amazing! A friend who often forwards 'funnies' to me forwarded the jumbled message that Marymary posted. I'm willing to bet that it will be all over everyone's inboxes before long, LOL! I know I'm going to pass it on, it's too good not to. [According to the email, it was researchers at an English University who came up with the results, so if anyone wants to know the details, a search would probably find the source-I nominate Steveh or Bo to look for us!] |
Curtisahahahaha | Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 05:56 pm     It's funny when Ozzy does it. |
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