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Steveh

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hoosiergirl - I don't think Robert saw the LF where his daughter got bashed. I think he was referring to another remark that Ali made about her (nasty, but much tamer in comparison) that was aired on the TV show. Also, if you think about, Jun was on Robert and Elena during the tirade way more than Ali was.

Catkey94

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I noticed how Robert acted too. He really didn't want to vote for either. I think he knows about the comments about Elena. Somebody probably told him.

Carrie92

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A couple more thoughts:

Racism is not part of the game.

Threats of violence are not part of the game.

Bed-hopping is not part of the game.

Homophobia is not part of the game.

Stooping so low as to call a little girl vile names is not part of the game.

So, PLEASE, spare us the 'it's just a game' rhetoric.
After it was down to the F2, the game was over,
yet, the bashing didn't stop.

And those so-called losers who were so frosty tonight, left with their dignity intact - in my book, that makes them the real winners.

Watching2

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer - <Just an opinion of mine of course, but I am glad that we do not have to post based on the standards we set for the HG's.>

I totally agree with you, Kieffer. While I have not liked what the girls said about people nor many of their actions, I just can't find it within myself to wish bad things for them.

Boberg

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The frostbite was well deserved. It was a pyrrhic victory(just one more thing I learned from reading the threads this year).

This years finale was much more satisfying than last years..I loved seeing their responses to watching the tapes and loved their words before they pulled their keys..esp. erika's, jee's, and jacks.

Kailas

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've read....

"A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches."

More than just Jack (and Jee) believe that tonight.

Steveh

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't forget to tell 'em where ya learned it Boberg and also don't forget that you "met" someone here who can predict the future!! LOL LOL

And you are so totally right - if ever we had the chance to SEE a pyrrhic victory . . .

Closetfan

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Frostbite was well deserved. I found the last show much more satisfying than I expected after this season. I think the 'winners' got what they deserved and that they all showed their true selves...Jee=honorable, Jack=a gentleman, Erika = somewhat fake....etc.

Thanks for the closure, BB. Now I can get back to my real life!! Please do better next year! Mmm....kay? :-)

Wendo

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Steveh, someone counted the number of F-words in the 28 minute diatribe between Jun and Ali. Jun used it about 90 times, Ali about 55 times. Give or take a few. Surprisingly, Jun was almost double Ali. (I was shocked at that actually.)

Carrie92, the game has no rules. None. While they shouldn't be a part of the game based on your moral standards, doesn't mean anything can't be used. You may not like it, that's cool, but that's the rules; there are none.

Kieffer said, "I just think that it was WAY unfair of the producers to set up Ali and Jun like that, and it spoiled what should have been a fun show for them."

I agree with all of your posts. As well as the one that Watching2 comments on. Very good points Keiffer and Watching2. Thanks.

Scorpiomoon

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, you know, now that you guys mention it, the jury could have played it up for TV and pretended to be all warm and fuzzy and saved the venom for after ths show. But you got to give them credit for not hugging, congratulating or being at all fake.

Clubcarl

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Boberg, completely agree. I enjoyed the fact that the evicted house guests didn't put on 'game face' but expressed real emotion to what they've witnessed.

Glad that they were ALL called on their behavior, not just a few. I can't wait, altho I'll never know their real feelings, for them to see what's been said about their behavior that hasn't been brocasted on the tele.

Closetfan

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am glad this wasn't a 'fun show for them' as I don't think Ali and Jun won as very nice human beings. Yes...they 'played a good game'...this is why they won the money...but we don't have to like or respect them or celebrate them in the process. I hope they learn something about someone other than themselves thru this experience. They both nauseate me as they appear today.

Boberg

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for expanding my vocabulary Steveh..and yea thats right..you did predict it many weeks ago I believe..Congrats!

Ahhhh..the frostbite felt so good tonight!

Steveh

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There are no rules for the game, but there are rules that humans should live by under any circumstances and those rules should include no hate speech, even borderline hate speech. Many of the houseguests indulged in it at one time or another, but none came close to Ali and Jun who were--IMO--"set up" by no one but themselves. Do you suppose someone from the production team promised to slip them a sawbuck every time they offered up another curse word or a slur?

At the end of my last class of the day I noticed that one of my student's had on the cover of his cloth covered binder a drawing w/ the caption, "Kill All F**s." I don't have any specific "rules" against that in my classroom--another competitive somewhat contrived environment--but I'm afraid I called him on it anyway. Hope I didn't hurt his feelings too bad.

Watching2

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SteveH - I sure would have called that student on it as well. People have a right to be in a classroom and feel safe and equally respected. My son's school would never put up with that and I never put up with that sort of thing in any of my classrooms either. No one ever got a "pass" on using that word, EVER. I would worry more about him learning that what he had written is violent & hurtful and promotes danger to very real people. Words DO hurt people.

Kennyb

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The chill was deserved IMHO--But Jack stood out as a class act. After Erika made excuses Jack sucked it up and said I said it and I'm sorry--Plus congrats too Jun. Truely a classy guy.

Closetfan

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Agreed. Jack was a class act. GO, Jack! :-)

Ric_Munoz

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This was the one (and only) delightful show of the entire season -- a complete reversal of seasons one, two and three: the undelightful episodes during those seasons were very few and far between.

Hoosiergirl

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Au contraire.....this game DOES have rules. If not, then why were people kicked off for threats of physical violence, i.e., a violation of the RULE?

So .... other than that one, there's no rules. lol

And I agree with Steveh: there are rules than humans should live by. You can express your dislike of someone without using racial/sexual orientation/sexist adjectives.

IMO that just shows your ignorance. And as we have seen, some are more ignorant than others.

Monalisahi

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
IMO, the chill inside the house was nothing like the chill when they got outside. No Donnie, and no parents for Jun. I actually felt sorry for Jun. I'm going to guess Jun is going to have a high price to pay for her actions. Alison only lost out on some money, and perhaps a bf. Jun is possibly losing out with her family, a much higher price, IMO.

Caycaye

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 11:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree again Monalisahi....

and CARRIE92....I very much agree with your post...I didn't see a mention of RULES, but a list of what was NOT a necessity to play/win this game...

and your LIST...I totally agree with...Well said!!!

Sunshyne4u

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 11:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was bored. WHY separate the HGs and make them watch the episodes alone? I feel there were a lot of bad feelings because of this. In seasons past the ex HGs had a choice to watch or not watch...in a matter of fact, most only watched a few episodes and relied on their families to tell them stuff.

The Live show comments about "what happened during the TV Show episodes" detracted from the Final Vote key pulling....It was unneccessary! I still think ALL of the HGS should have been put together at the very end and given booze and watched it all together. (with all knives and weapons hidden of course, and security on standby)

Seanflynn2003

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun's parents are very private, and have had trouble dealing with her as an independent person. To say that their not being there is somehow an indictment of her is unfair.

Someone earlier also made reference to Jee's valuing honor. Go the the transcripts, you'll find plenty of examples of Jee making crude and nasty comments about other contestants. I liked Jee, but he was a hypocrite in those comments.

Coffee

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that Jee was honourable as he could be with his alliance.

Jun and Alison were trashing after the jury had voted so that is sure not part of the game anymore than trashing Robert and Elena when they knew they were kicking him out.

Some was actually threatening and I read a good point. If it had been two men in the house with a women and the men had used these same threatening remarks they would have been kicked out.

Besides that I am glad how the season ended. The other hgs got to see the tapes and Robert at least knew something about them trashing Elena.

Wendo

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hoosiergirl, yes, you're right, no violence is a rule. Thank you for the clarification.