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Sheilaree

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 02:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Robert had won the $500,000.00 I don't know if I would watch next year's show, I hope they do better next year, He never even deserve to get to the final 3 but somehow he did but byebye Robert, I wonder how he is feeling now being beaten by two women who do deserve it. Can't wait for Survivor next week.,

What555456

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 02:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Both should go after the HOH -- but whoever gets it doesn't matter. For the last few weeks Ali and Jun have had a shaky alliance, but an alliance nonetheless. They will continue it and take each other to the end.

Since it is not clear that the jury will want to vote for either one, neither knows whether it helps or hurts to win it. When in doubt, go for it, evict Robert and then spend the rest of the time "reminiscing" about how nice this one was, how nice the other one was, how well each played, etc. Try to get the other to trash the former HG's.

Personally, though, I would have preferred to have been Dana getting several weeks of fun and frolic, all the while getting paid. Compare that to Robert.

Dram

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, there are two more sure votes for Jun. Jack. He said Ali was abominable. Jee, there is no way he would vote for Alison. If you read the transcripts of the exit interviews it looks like Jun would take it.

Bmh

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 02:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika also said in her Parting Words on the CBS site that she would prefer a Jun win over a Alison win although she thinks Ali will win.

I see the vote like this

Dana ~ Jun
Nathan ~ Alison
Justin ~ Alison
Jack ~ Jun
Jee ~ Jun
Erika ~Jun
Robert ~ Alison

Wendo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dram, but we have no idea how Jack's vote may be changed after talking with Erika. Erika is very likely to talk with Jack about the game playing of the three left. And, she did say that Ali's been playing a good game. That's why I'm not including Jack as a sure vote. And, he said it weeks ago. A lot has changed since then.

Bmh, Erika didn't say she would prefer Jun to win over Ali. She was asked who she'd like to see win. She said essentially, Robert, or Jun, but all three have played well. So, I don't think her vote is set either.

Mlt

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jun will win part three because I think the third part will require the two house guests to understand how people think about them. And I don't think Ali understands how other people think about her. That is why she did so badly in last week's HOH and that's why she went balistic when she was told that Justin wasn't her biggest fan. This girl is so wrapped up in Ali that she just doesn't have a clue how others see her. And I think that gives Jun the clear advantage if they use the same formula for the final HOH that they used last year and the year before.

Mkcantjump

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jack, Jee, Nathan and Dana will vote for Jun and possibly more. I want Ali to win but am glad for Jun too. I'm just glad all the people I really disliked are out of the house.

Earthmother

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 02:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know..I'm thikin that Jun and Ali both were part of the original allience and Rob remained true only to the Dream Team, so it's possible both Jun and Ali think the only votes Rob might get are from Dana, Justin and Jee. If they take each other it's a toss up. None of them know which ones will get Erika, Jack and Nathan's vote nor do they trust each other for the last vote to win....hmmmm it's altogether possible that they will scam each other and take Rob to the finals.

Wendo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 02:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mlt, but we've had that competition already. I don't think the third part of HOH will be a repeat of a competition we just saw two weeks ago. I think it'll be a quiz type competition, but not similar to what we've seen already. JMO.

C1mag

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well as I said last week I think Ali will beat Jun. I think Rob, Nate, and Justin are already gonna vote for Ali over Jun. All she needs is just one more and it wouldn't surprise me in the end if both Jack and Erika give it to Ali instead of just one of them and therefore she will win the larger amount. Jack is going to look at the whole game and who made the most direct hits and moves to keep themselves personally in the game. Which of the two rode coattails and which of the two took it to the mat when they needed to. You just can't get past the fact that Ali destroyed alliances, won competitions and kept herself in the game all the way to the end. Jun won one hoh. Admitted she floated from side to side hiding at times and she did something that Nate has noted he didn't care for. She kept the house divided with hatred. I don't think they will consider this a game move but instead a mindscrew that cost some of them a more pleasant time in the house. This was different than general trash talking or name calling. She kept negativity going for no other reason than to see the drama. By the time they vote I think Jack will recognize the one who played the hardest and I think he will conclude it was Ali. Erika I think will hand it to Ali as well.

K9lover1

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What - do you really think these two will talk kindly of the evicted HG's once they are alone? And what would be the point of trying to get the other to trash the HG's. I thought the HG's only saw competitions.

Bmh

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The only other thing I can really say is its gonna be a close vote most likely 4-3

Flamingo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't hink it matters which of the girls wins HOH, there is no way either of them would bring Robert with them to the final 2. Neither of them would want to be in the house alone with him for a week, and they know that Robert has 3 solid votes from Justin, Jee and Dana. This last HOH is pretty much just a formality now.

Mkcantjump

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good post. My hero- C1

Lori

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Depends on the jury's mindset.

If playing a competitive game is the issue...it will go to Ali. If they are voting on emotion...I think Jun will win. All depends. Either way, I think it will be close.

I wish they would show us some interesting footage from the jury house. I would have liked to have seen Erika's summary of her last couple of weeks in the house!

Maris

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If you read the parting words of the evicted houseguests on the CBS site, it would appear that Jun will get the votes. Based on those interviews Jack, Erika, Justin, Dana and Jee will give Jun the vote.

C1mag

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And if you look at the time it was said and the people who said it you can conclude that in Erikas comments she was still clearly undecided and Jack will wait until the end and he won't vote emotionally. Erika says that she still thinks Ali will win but she would have been happy with the other two winning as well. I think both of them will vote for Ali in the end when they look at the game. Justin will DEFINITELY give it to Ali over Jun. I watched him rationalize to Jee and Rob one night when they were b!tching about the other side of the house winning the hoh and gloating. He shut them up real fast and said, "we've done the same and they've earned the right to gloat a bit" So this tells me Justin isn't gonna vote emotionally. The one who played the strongest will get his vote even if it's Ali. Jun actually could have saved him but chose not to. His vote will go to Ali not Jun.

Earthmother

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jack and Erika can afford to be objective since they were trashed the least. I still say that when you are being blasted to smitherines on national television and people are coming in each week letting you know what was said about you that your mind can change. I was shocked last year how many people voted against Dani because they voted emotionally even though many of us thought they would not.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun would be an idiot to trust Alison. She should try to win part III with all her might. If she throws it to Alison, she deserves to be voted out.

Last year's part three was really tough. It was the descriptor words taken from post game interviews with each of the evictees. (For example - this negative word by Amy describes which of the remaining HG.) It required reading how each HG thought and viewed people. I think Jun has an edge in this type of question. Alison has shown some weakness when she has to think like someone else. Hard to say how close BB will be to last year however.

C1mag

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh Earth I knew Dani was toast as soon as she booted Marcellus. That was one very vengeful person and he was going to lift the air underneath Roddys wings of revenge and make it loud and clear that Dani was just too awful to get that bigger amount of money. I'm glad they are in sequester. It makes them think a little bit more about the game moves and lot less about "hurt feelings" it's so hypocritical to hold on contestant to a moral level when you might has trashed talked as well. It gets ridiculous. Just look at the game moves and suck it up, because if trash talking is the key to winning or losing and you did it then you would be saying you didn't deserve the money if you had made it to the end yourself.

Wendo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina8642, although, Ali does seem fairly aware of how people do dislike her. LOL!

Like C1mag, I knew Dani wouldn't win the big bucks, though I held out some hope she would. I knew her trash talking would do her in. Last years jury had a very solid moral premise; as they did in the house. Remember the time Roddy called out Josh in the backyard when Josh was on the block along with Roddy? He made a point of establishing a set of "rules" they would all follow. And, they did.

I just don't think this years jury is similar to last years jury. But, we'll see. I have no expectations whatsoever. And, honestly, would be happy with either a Jun or Ali win. Rob, though, not as happy, though I wouldn't have minded. For me, I felt the things he said within the house were worse than what the other two have said.

We all certainly have different perspectives. LOL!

C1mag

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think this Jury is like last years either thats why I am giving Ali a much better chance at actually winning this whole thing.

Auntiemike

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I tend to think that Jun and Ali have been comparable in their efforts at winning this game; just have partially different styles. If they are the final two it will just depend upon which style the jury member admires the most for each to get the vote(s). I personally think Jun's style is a little more agreeable to the general audience and hope she wins. I think both Jun and Ali have played well but I just can't warm up to Ali's personality.

Spunky

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 04:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Both Ali and Jun are very much disliked by the whole Jury but the difference between Ali and Jun is that Jun is considered the snake in the grass while Ali is the lioness, two very different "animals" and usually the lioness gets more respect for her fierce determination to fight and defend herself... the snake in the grass is...sneaky, perfidious and if venemous could strike to kill.

I'd go with the lioness... but she still has to prove one more time that she's supreme indeed. Get last HOH and the big money.

Amari

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Auntie, you took the words right out of my mouth. I think both have played incredibly well. Allison has won more and been more aggressive, but she's had to. They have indeed played with similar yet different styles. I just like Jun better so I hope she wins. But I won't be upset if Ali wins - at least (assuming it is between the 2 girls), both have played the heck out of the game unlike last year's winner (who did play well after whatshisface left).

Just wondering, did Jun tell any of the evicted Hg's any straight out lies?