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Spunky

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The only thing in this whole topic OH has raised that doesn't work for me is the reference to "morality", "standards of behavior", etc., that supposedly these BB4 players have or tried to abide in order to stay in the game.
These very honorable words or concepts are really lost on them. They wouldn't know what "civil" means, imagine if they would entertain any thoughts of "morality" or "standards of behavior".
If this analysis was on some highly esteemed politicians I'd say, wow! that's so appropriate. But these hamsters don't even understand half of what OH is talking about here.
It seems wasted on them.

Maris

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 11:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember Dani cooking last year. I think maybe it was a shared activity but I could be wrong

Nexell2

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really don't believe those viewers looking for any moral lesson on life need to apply for or bother to watch this game. Arnie created this version of Big Brother for pure entertainment. The Waltons it's not. It is not suppose to be. If anyone had a problem with this years house guests, next year's guest are really going to be edgy so be prepared.

Onlyhuman

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spunky, we all live by a set of rules or "morals". One may not agree with the person who lives by a code of "revenge at all costs" but it is just as valid a code as "do unto others..."

Most people (and I count most of these HGs in this group) don't often bother to examine what their ethical or moral beliefs are and how they influence their behavior. Others proclaim to be living by a certain code but their actions do not reflect this. At some point I heard that an unexamined life is not worth living and I seem to have taken that to the extreme.

There is often a conflict between what a group says is appropriate behavior and what an individual feels is acceptable. This group repeatedly said that this was just a game and seemed to feel that any behavior in the house was acceptable under these rules. At some point, though, many found that they could not completely abandon their own ideas of right and wrong. For instance, Justin really believed in teamwork and loyalty. When he was nominated with Robert, he made no attempt to stay in the game, even though both Jee and Alison tried to convince him to do so.

I really think that this dichotomy in the house also reflects a dichotomy in society. For example, as a business owner, I belong to several different business groups that really emphasize the bottom line...money. There are many who will do anything or say anything in pursuit of money and figure that as long as they don't break any laws (at least overtly) that they are fine. I have had people tell me that I need to concentrate more on "upselling" clients and persuading people to sign up for more services, whether they need them or not. I, on the other hand, will always choose to do what's best for my students, rather than what might be best for me financially. There are no laws that prevent me from choosing the other path, just like no one MUST be loyal in the BB house but, like those in the house who chose not to play the game a certain way, I choose not to do things that other people have no problem doing.

To take my example a step further, Ali & Jun, the ones who truly lived by the "it's a game philosophy" are going to get a nice monetary reward, just like my competitors who are concerned only with the bottom line will make a lot more than me every year. What's more, I doubt that Ali & Jun will lose any sleep over their behavior, because it is completely justified in their philosophy, just like my competitors will sleep soundly tonight. Ultimately, the only consolation I and the evicted HGs will ever have is that we could have done it no other way and lived with ourselves and, in the end, that's really all anyone has in this world.

Twiggyish

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Excellent post Only. You raised interesting points, too. I think your final paragraph sums it perfectly.

Spunky

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the added comments Only.. truly great, I must admit.
I still feel these hamsters don't deserve any serious consideration or study of their way of thinking and behaving. I don't have any patience with these people and one quick look was enough for me to see that they're the lowest of the lowest.
I have more patience observing a bird in a cage or any other caged animal than these caged humans.

Onlyhuman

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spunky, I couldn't watch them, especially this year, if I didn't try to learn something for myself. I don't do it for them, or because I think they are particularly wonderful people, I do it for myself, so that I might take this opportunity to gain more insight into human beings, which they are. And, unfortunately, I don't think that their behavior is all that uncommon in this world so the best thing I can do is understand it so it won't catch me offguard!

I'm lucky that I have people here who will listen to my analyses, because my family gets tired of it! Thanks to you and everyone else for their comments and input!

Beruthiel

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The 'long analysis' warning kept me away from this thread until now, since I didn't have time to read and digest earlier, and I have to add my congrats to all the others for your excellent analysis, Onlyhuman.
Although it's not often expressed, I think that for many of us, the learning about others part of the equation is very important, and it's wonderful to see how you defined each of the seasons in their variety.
Thanks for the delicious 'food for thought'!

(I ALWAYS read long posts, when I have time, because they're often the ones which give me most satisfying 'meal')

Ezgoing

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 08:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Only, when your 'real' family gets tired of your ponderings, feel welcomed to share them here with your TVCH 'family' :). Heck, you're one of the favorite 'relatives' around here, didn't ya know?!

"Friends become our chosen families."

Spunky

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This for Onlyhuman

There is a great article/post by a UK viewer at Joker's website. "Ali, game or malicious". I found that quite interesting and dead on.

Now if someone writes a study of Jun just as good let me know...

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sounds interesting Spunky, gotta link? (I just did a quick browse over there and don't see it.)

Spunky

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 01:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
http://www.jokersupdates.com/

right there as you click on the link, in the centre "Articles", it's right there. You can't miss it.

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, my bad, I was looking for it on the Jokers message board. Thanks!

Ark

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Only, I too tend to avoid long posts but I'm glad I read this one. You've done an excellent analysis of BB and the HG.

Spunky, I also enjoyed the Ali article at Jokers, the only statement that made me go hmmm was "I am of the school that believes that an extended period under scrutiny (every psychologists dream!) does actually expose the real and true human traits of an individual." While I agree with this statement in general, the people we are scrutinizing are not in a normal natural setting so we're only seeing their traits as game players not as everyday, out in the world individuals.