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Sampatsfan

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I apologize if this has already been discussed but I didn't see anything about it. So please erase this if I am repeating a current discussion topic. Thanks.
I was following a different link from TVCH and found this there. It's a letter (and it appears that 2 site owners have verified it's authenticity) from an ex-boyfriendof Ali's. And it's not from Donnie or Justin. If interested here you go....
http://www.mortystv.com/cgi-bin/frameit/directframe.cgi?4=http://www.bb4bbq.com/

Sampatsfan

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OOOPs, sorry, it's about halfway down the page.

Sampatsfan

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually it is from the ex who applied for the show and the reason BB4 knew of Ali, Justin and Donnie. He's apologizing for being the reason America had to "suffer" through Ali on BB4. (his words)

Badabing

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
On www.alisonirwin.net :

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:06:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Meadville Friend
Subject: I am the ex responsible for her being on TV
To: alison@alisonirwin.net

To all the Big Brother Fans:

Before I do anything else, I want to apologize to the entire viewing audience for bringing the abomination that is Alison Irwin to America’s (and beyond’s) eyes. If you read closely to the BB4 sites, you know that our antihero did not apply for the show and was brought in from another “ex” that applied for the show. That ex is the writer of this letter.

I am writing this email not because I want to be famous, nor am I jealous of Alison for being on TV, but instead because I want to apologize to the public for ruining the show and to express my definitive distaste for Alison’s actions. The reason why I was not chosen for the show (and ultimately replaced by Justin Giovinco) is very similar to Brandon’s reason for being taken off the show before it even started; I am in a relationship with a woman and not even $500,000 would get me to compromise it.

I made one of my life’s largest mistakes by dating Alison three years ago and discussed some of Alison’s less-than-sane actions during my interviews. CBS was astonished and enamored at how a girl could act so awfully, and of course they had to have her on the show. At this point I knew something shady was going on at CBS, so I basically eliminated myself by repeatedly saying in my later interviews that I would never do anything to embarrass myself, my family, and especially my girlfriend by being around such types of people or in situations such as what they were hinting at.

I want the public to know that this IS NOT Alison just “playing the game.” This has been Alison’s behavior for her entire life. I think she realizes her personality short comings and therefore has been obsessed with her looks forever, but now that her looks have gone by the wayside, on national television no less, she will have a rough time in the future. She might need a lot of psychological help. I blame CBS for this, they have seen the potential train wreck in the public eye that Alison Irwin could, and did become, and they promoted it. Even with half a million positives that could come from this show, there are many more negatives that will haunt Alison for the remainder of her life.

And for Donny, we did not exactly see eye to eye when I knew of him, but now I just have a little advice:

RUN, RUN AS FAR FROM HER AS YOUR CAN! Block her from email, instant messenger, cell phone, everything, because she somehow has powers to suck people into her black hole of evil. You deserve better, and no matter what she can buy you with $500k, it is not worth it.

I also think Donny has conducted himself very well considering the situation, and for that I give him credit, I know most people would not have dealt with the situation the same way. Again everyone, I am very sorry for being responsible for exposing Alison to the world, no one deserves that treachery.

Sincerely,

“The Responsible Party”

Same letter, different site.

Sampatsfan

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Badabing

Bronxie

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What a devasting letter. If authentic, she must have really hurt others, leaving a path of victims in her wake.

Gina8642

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Outside the the BB house Alison has been open about being in a physically abusive relationship. Inside the house she indicated that the guy who applied to be on the show who got her on the show (The person who presumably wrote this letter) was the one who abused her.

I'm not trying to say that this excuses any of Alison actions inside the house - but please, consider the source.

This was someone who knew Alison and shaped the person she is by the way he treated her.

Nonconformist

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina,

I thought I had heard Justin say that it was Donnie who was physically abusive to her.

Gina8642

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No, Justin never said that. The only people who have said that are people on this board.

Ali's parent's were very clear that the BF who abused Ali is no longer in contact with her or her family.

Chippy

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, let's believe Ali and discount the letter, Donnie's on air comments, and Justin's evaluation of her character or lack thereof. We all know how truthful Ali is, right?

We have no idea if the letter writer is the so called "abuser" or if there ever was an abusive relationship (in fact, wasn't she in TWO abusive relationships?). I think BB figured Ali for a gold mine when they found out what she was capable of and they cast her for the part she played so very well.

Charvie

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In the last week she was talking about him with Jun and said that he was very controlling. Her reason, he didn't wnat her to be friends with Donny. At one point he told her he didn't want her to hang out with Donny. She said, that fueled her desire to hang out with Donny, and than her and Donny ended up dating. She called him and told him that it was over because she was now with Donny. She never mentioned he abused her or anything. In act she said the last time she saw him he had came to get some stuff she had, and he drove off because he was so upset. No don't think this was the abuser.

Denecee

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison is not somebody I would have ever been friends with for more than the time it took to get to know her. I think she learned her behavior or at least they condoned it, from her parents. Unfortunately, there are worse humans out there. I hope she gets a clue and decides to be real instead of the fake she showed us on BB.

Puzzled

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What a pompous letter. This individual apologises to America???

He, of course, was the most important person in this scenario of Alison being on TV--not Alison, Endemol, CBS, or AS. No, no, this supposed "ex" is the most important factor in her being chosen.

Then he takes the opportunity to release some of his bitter feelings. Uh, can we say, "unresolved issues?" Someone needs to move on and get over it.

Gina8642

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chippy - I'm not excusing any of Ali's actions. But anyone who would write a vindictive letter like this is no better than Ali in my book. Two wrongs don't make a right even when you don't like a person or their actions. IMO he comes of as extrodinarily bitter and vindictive.

Charvie - I thought Ali's parent's indicated that the one before Donnie and Justin was the abuser. But perhaps you are correct. They could have just meant a long term BF before the two. Maybe this guy was a shorter term one? Also, it seemed like Alison was in HS when when she dated the abuser. She's 23 so that would have been quite a while back. You are right that I may be wrong.

Steveh

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually Alison's mother said in an interview that I read in a couple of places on the 'net that Alison had been in TWO abusive relationships, one when she was quite young and one around the time of Donny and Justin (she made it clear that the abuser was neither of them). From what I could glean out of the interview it went something like abuser-Donny-Justin-Donny. From what I've read and heard from people who know some of the parties involved, one of the letter writers in this thread could be the abuser.

I'm surprised that no one here has given much thought or discussion to how much Ali's in-house behaviors are textbook abuse victim. Hot tempered, filled w/ hate as indicated by constant use of the word, somewhat violent, compulsive me first type actions, sexually promiscuous, foul language, on and on . . .

Lovedana

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ummm ... Gina8642, all I heard on the BB 4 was how abusive Donny was to Alison. Unless I misheard or misunderstood her, I recall hearing the name Donny attached to physical abuse. I even remember wondering why she would stay with such a person and then tell others about it. For someone so assertive and controlling in her own way, I was doubtful or rather suspicious that the abuse was a two way street.

In any case, it could be it was two cases of abuse that she claimed?

To speak candidly, I cannot trust Alison. Character does not start or happen overnight. As much as I thought Danielle's game tactic was also her true nature, I think the same of Alison. I guess I have this weird instinct and sense of perception where I could easily spot my least favorite who's likely to cause havoc from the start.

It would be ridiculous for me to fall for the girl that fooled others with pitiful stories and pretense to be committed to them. She seems strong enough to fight for herself.

Besides, even if this guy with the allegations isn't an angel, Alison isn't either. We got to witness her nature first-hand. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Chippy

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've worked with abused women for many years and I'd say Ali's behavior is anything but "textbook abused victim".

The timeline here is a bit hard to believe for someone who just turned 23 years old and purports to have been in "only a few relationships". Hasn't she been with Donny for several years? Justin before and during? Two abusers when and weren't they "longterm". I can't remember all the reports but I know enough of Ali to be skeptical- to say the least. Plus, there's those documented police reports of some rather abusive behavior from Alison herself.

I just don't see this Alison being abused. Perhaps in her younger days. I don't know what is fact and what is fiction.

Justshirley

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"He, of course, was the most important person in this scenario of Alison being on TV--not Alison, Endemol, CBS, or AS. No, no, this supposed "ex" is the most important factor in her being chosen."

Um, if the "ex" had not applied, Endemol, CBS and AS wouldn't even know Ali existed. I'd say that makes him a pretty important factor in her being chosen.

Monalisahi

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Steveh.....Ali, an abuse victim??? I'm sorry, but I can't see that. I didn't see any behavior from her that would indicate she was an abuse victim....appeared to me it was quite the opposite.

Actually, I would like to know what Ali's definition of abuse is. I could see Jun in an abusive relationship long before I could Ali.

Tresbien

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"At this point I knew something shady was going on at CBS, so I basically eliminated myself by repeatedly saying in my later interviews that I would never do anything to embarrass myself, my family, and especially my girlfriend by being around such types of people or in situations such as what they were hinting at."

This was my favorite sentence. If he didn't want to be on the show, why did he apply for it? If he thought CBS was shady, why didn't he just say no thank you instead of repeatedly making excuses? The "it's all about me" virus seems to be spreading fast.

Lovedana

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Plus, there's those documented police reports of some rather abusive behavior from Alison herself."

:Q Where is the reference? I never saw it! Can you please share or at least shed some light? Thanks in advance.

I don't doubt that someone's laid his hands on her before. Nevertheless, I do not believe for a second that it was the textbook, stipulated definition of abuse. I imagine it was the type of relationship with he and she being abusive toward each other, constantly fighting physically.

Charvie

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not saying the guy was or wasn't abusive, but in classic abusive relationships, usually if the abusing party, doesn't want you to have any outside friends, you don't have them. This guy asked Alison not to maintain a friendship with Donny, to which ALison promptly ignored and did anyway. The guysinsecurity was justified , in that she did end up dating Donny and dumping him. This is not classic abusive behavior. Plus I think I heard her say that the guy was a guy she dated in high school and broke up with him right before she went to Pitt.

Steveh

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I submit that Alison being violent toward others--the meat cleaver incident, the spray paint incident, howling on Justin's fire escape--is one of the markers for an abuse victim's (who hasn't sought treatment) behavior.

Chippy, I know you're a nurse & you know much better than I, but don't abuse victims who do not seek treatment engage in self-destructive, often overly aggressive behaviors like the ones I've listed?

Even down to things like Alison losing her driver's license for moving violations, another example of the reckless, self-destructive behavior typical of domestic violence victims.

Remember Chippy, if YOU are working with a victim that means she has sought treatment and her behavior could be quite a bit different from Alison's.

Lovedana

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"This was my favorite sentence. If he didn't want to be on the show, why did he apply for it? If he thought CBS was shady, why didn't he just say no thank you instead of repeatedly making excuses? The 'it's all about me' virus seems to be spreading fast."

Tres Bien, I think he's saying that he didn't realize CBS' shadiness until the questioning and their interest in his ex.

Yes, he could have just said forget it, I am not interested in this show. However, I think he's saying he still wanted to be a part of the show, but he didn't want to be subjected to the ex-factor, especially with someone of Alison's nature. So he basically asserted his position by repeating his moral code. At the end CBS chose to sacrifice him rather than relinquish the ex-factor.

Yes, I do sense a big ego in Alison's ex. Nonetheless, it does not negate his point about the whole show and Alison. He did truly play a significant role because Alison wouldn't have existed in the show, at least in BB 4, without his application and detailed information about Alison.

Mssheila

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Can anyone point the way to those police reports? I would like to see that. I didnt hear anything about any criminal activity throughout the show. I understand why this guy wrote the letter, and it acutally sounded rather humble to me. I think he really feels bad that she made such a jerk on herself of TV. And I think he feels worse because BB had her on the show knowing what she is capable of. One thing that no one has said here is this: BB would not cast a physically (or any other kind) abusive ex to be on the show with Ali. It's just not going to happen, that would be far too traumatic for her and a recipe for suicide for AS. It wouldnt happen. NO way no how. If they mentioned this guys' name to her, and she said "He abused me" there is NO WAY they would put the two on the show together. He kind of made it sound like he assumed that BB would put them on the show together and HE backed out, not the other way around, so I doubt he is the abuser. And, judging by Ali's behavior in the house, which is all I have to go on, in my *very* humble opinion, I really dont think there ever was an abuser.