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Bondmaiden

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Erika's anti Korean remarks about Jee was probably the worst behavior in the house. That and Dana's whole time in the house.

Spunky

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting that possibility that Ali doesn't use the POV with the promise from Erika that she will evict Jun. I think this is the only possibility to save Erika.

She'll never go for that, first she doesn't want to risk what happened to Marcella, and then she just love to make her speech of POV and then her eviction speech. No one is going to take that spotlight away from her.

Robert should stop pumping up Erika with false ideas, making her believe she's safe. I hope Erika doesn't buy that, but maybe it will make her feel a bit better even knowing she's going.
Robert gave her some support she really needed.

Erika has nothing to lose by telling Ali a piece of her mind.

Gina8642

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Didn't Rob say (in the DR? to Jee?) that he was going to play Erika and make her think he wants to get back together?

Robert is playing Erika just as much as Erika is playing Robert.

At this point, there is NO HG not totally playing or lying to another.

What555456

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that she has the right to try and win, but I fell off the Alison train when she so ruthlessly betrayed Nathan. I can't believe that he saved her with the veto and the first thing she did was run to the Stooges and ensure that they would not evict her the following week.

Crazydog--

Don't you think this game requires a certain amount of ruthlessness to win?

Of course she betrayed Nathan -- and Nathan was naive enough to believe her. He did not have to, you know. At some point those who last in the game have to betray someone. They cannot keep every promise they make from Day 1 if they going to make it to the end.

Kalekona

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What if ali had given thought to the Jury I'd give her more credit for playing a good game.. But I have to say between Jun and Ali Jun played the best as she concidered the jury and tried not to overtly tick anyone off.

Justalittlebean

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Ali and Jun are tied for the worse person in the house. They both made up the personal attack on Jack calling him a perv and dirty old man. Telling Jee that Jack peaks at the girls when they are in bed. How low can you be to say that just to get someone evicted from a game?

Crazydog

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What555, I agree that you need some ruthlessness to win at this game, but I especially didn't like the fact that Nathan was her one and only true alliance partner. It was clear that the two of them were a team, and I just didn't like the way she casually dropped him.

Nathan and Jack were talking about how David would have stuck with the team, and that it was a bad decision to lose David in favor of Alison. But Nathan wanted to stick with the person he was most allied with, and she stabbed him in the back.

I would agree with you What about betrayal, but usually the betrayal does not happen until late in the game. Ali betrayed Nathan as soon as she saw an opportunity to float around.

And I agree with you Kalekona that Jun has taken into account the jury while Alison did not. I think part of the reason why everyone hates Alison is because she betrayed just about everybody.

Bondmaiden

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All I can say is Erika called Jee a Korean piece of ----, when he put her up the 1st time. That out does Ali in my book. I guess we are keeping score.

Crazydog

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bondmaiden, that comment has been discussed at length here. For people who have only seen the show, it looks like Erika is racist and was spouting off as a reaction to getting nominated.

However, Jee had told her in advance he was going to nominate her, and he said to her that now she was probably going to go outside and say that he was a Korean piece of *hit who was fresh off the boat. When she got nominated, she went outside and said his exact words, word for word. So it was as much a joke as anything. I don't think she's racist at all. If she was racist she wouldn't have been with Robert in the first place.

Wendo

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali will use the DPOV to remove herself (if she can; we don't exactly know what the DPOV stands for.) She's not a stupid person. She's well aware that if she were to stay on the block, she'd be voted out. It's not even a remote possibility.

As far as Ali giving credit to the jury, it's impossible to know. Each jury is different. Last years jury for sure wouldn't give Ali the money. But who knows this year. Both Rob and Erika said that if Ali and Jun were final 2 they would probably give their votes to Ali. Rob has made a point of especially saying he would not vote for Jun in any circumstance.

Frankly, it's just impossible to know this year. Especially if Ali and Jun are F2.

Bondmaiden

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 01:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You can justify Erika's, Jee, remark all day long , just not to me.

Crazydog

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well.... OK then. Peace out.

Kellirippa

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
DPOV stands for diamond power of veto. I believe it's called that because with this particular POV, the holder is in complete control over who leaves.

Ladytex

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I give up .... go Cousin Mike! LOL!!

Seamonkey

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cousin Mike Rocks!!

What fascinates me is that Erika and Robert get so irate that Jun told Ali that Robert and Erika wanted Ali out this week.. they seem actually convinced that it is Jun who is lying and not them..

And they keep repeating that Jun is a liar and Ali won't believer vs the two of them.

But in this case they are lying like rugs. They did talk to Jun about how Ali had to go this week, before Ali won POV.

Jun talks to people and tells them things but they usually are things that were actually said, not complete lies.

Also hate to see things twisted in ways they are being twisted this year.

Awhile back Jun had a convo with Robert about Erika's lack of eating.. I heard the whole convo and would swear it was out of concern.. Both Jun and Ali have gone thru eating issues, Ali's was probably when she was skating, the female skaters, especially ice dancers are almost forced to be too thin.. and Jun did more of the overexercise thing when she got to her lowest weight.

They noticed, as did Jee that even with regular food, Erika was not really eating very much and that she was getting very thin and listless, sleeping most of the time, and having constant headaches that last week they all were on PBJ.

Jun asked Robert privately if Erika was always this thin and he said NO! And said he wondered too.

Jun told Robert that usually with those issues mentioning it will bring a hostile response, taking it as criticism not concern (since eating disorders are almost always secretive). Rob said maybe he should talk to Erika but decided not to.

So now, Rob is using this in a twisted manner to incense Erika against Jun.

Robert is working all of the women, as he said he would in the DR..

He's trying to convince Erika that he must speak for her and by now she is sort of letting him, in fact the other day she rather harshly demanded that he fix things with Ali.. but Robert is using the don't crowd Ali concept, which means he gets to speak for Erika to Ali.. under the guise of helping Ali figure out what is best for Ali.

Robert is mostly trying to trash Jun to Ali as unworthy but way too strong, that Erika would be best to take now, but he includes a large amount of plugs basically saying that it would be best for Ali to ultimately take HIM to F2, so he works against Erika there.

He is working Erika so she will hate both Jun and Ali, so no matter what Ali does, Robert hopes to have Erika want him in F2, even promising her that if he did win, but I won't, he will pay off her bills, as she demanded.

He hasn't worked to hard on Jun because I think he realizes Jun would tell Ali, but if Jun were to stay, watch for Robert to start working her against Ali and working Ali even more against Jun.

ERika seems about to crack the last days.. scary but at least they do have the shrink to talk to..

I would never, ever go on this show but if I did you can be sure that I wouldn't be drinking ANY alcohol.. I might pretend to.. but no way would I be letting myself get that loose in that pressure cooker..

Meggieprice

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did Jun leave out the part about being part of the evict Ali movement? Did she happen to mention why she waited until AFTER pov to tell her?

Avrey258

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 04:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey,
You're looking at it through Jun colored glasses. LOL. Seriously, at this point they are all getting on my nerves. I don't think Erika is going to crack though. I think she feels isolated. It's a good thing she can't hear Ali calling her a s!lut and a b!tch, then she may do more than crack.

I think she did explain her eating yesterday. She said she does not eat when she is under stress. She also called Ali and Jun pigs after Robert told her that Ali and Jun thought she had an eating disorder. She was shocked at the amount of food Jun and Ali eat. I suppose Ali and Jun do the opposite of Erika and turn to food in a stressful time.

Gvandeli

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 06:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, it seems Jun has forgotten that she agreed that Ali had to go, also. I think Erika should call her on it in front of Ali. If it's inevitable that Erika goes this week, she needs to let it all hang out and let Jun and Ali know that she will be filling in the jury on the antics of those two. I would love to see that!

Jigglywigglyjun

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 06:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika at this point has nothing to lose. So why doesn't she tell Ali all the vile stuff Jun has said about her? Erika is just standing back letting herself get kicked out without any kind of fight? What is wrong with her? I am so disappointed... I have a gut feeling Jun is gonna end up winning this... UGH

Meggieprice

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jiggly I get most frustrated with Erika when she is passive like this- it's time for all of it to come out.

The way A/J have been about Erika's so-called eating disorder has really disturbed me. Man, I would lose my appetite completely- I am on who eats with mild stress but moves to lack of eating in the highest stress! The day she did not eat much of her MIckey D meal was particularly bad- she told Jun that her body coud not handle the sudden meat after not having it for so long and Jun knew that but jumped right on the trash Erika float and they tore her apart for not stuffing herself like they do. If we want to talk that kind of talk- why not look at Ali's obsessive exercising or Jun's bingeing?

Keiffer

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 08:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From reading most of this thread it has become clear I have not paid enough attention this year.

First, I do not exactly remember Ali throwing nate under the bus or anything. He saved her with the veto, she won HoH, and then nominated the woman that had just tried for a week to get rid of her. The person she wanted out was for sure an enemy to the Nate/Ali team. So what she didnt get Justin out. Is there any way of knowing that Justind GF wouldnt have won the next HoH had she stayed instead of Justin? If that had happened would we have gone nuts about her betraying nate because he got put up the next week anyway? Nate was goin out unless he, Jack, or Erika won HoH that week.

Second, I do not think Erika should go too crazy with Ali. If Ali does use POV she becomes the lone vote. Of course the smart thing to do would be to break up the X's, but maybe Erika can convince her of a deal. If she starts talking trash she is gone for sure. Erika should also try to discredit Jun as much as possible.

Of course I have not watched like the last two years, so I am sure anyone here can clear this up for me.

Crazydog

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer, she cut a deal with the Stooges that they would not nominate her if she didn't nominate them. I don't think the fact that she didn't get Justin out was the betrayal, but the fact that she so obviously switched sides.

She saved her own skin but then showed absolutely no loyalty to him. If the two of them were really a team, she would have been strategizing with him relentlessly to figure out a way to save him. Instead, she told us that she did NOT want to win the veto because then she would feel pressured to save Nathan. She basically left him out to dry. He risked everything to save her with the veto when she was in trouble, but when he was in trouble she just abandoned ship. Some friend.

Tvduck

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Can Julie offer Erika a deal like giving up half of the money she wins to go back to the house or something like that? Give us a real twist damn it!

Gabbyone

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 07:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It would be suicide for Ali if she kept Erika. She knows Erika and Robert have an alliance and would take each other to the end. Erika would be a harder opponent to beat in an endurance challenge, as witnessed by the cage comp, then Jun. Ali only has one choice....evict Erika.

Gvandeli

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 08:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Can I just say this? The endurance competition was only part of the final HOH last year. To say that Erika would be stronger than Ali in that comp. is not true. Ali stayed until the end with Erika and only left after she had a deal. Jun only left because she was certain Erika was going to win and she knew who would be targeted. If Ali has convinced herself that the only person who could win the endurance is Erika, she is not correct. Why isn't she just honest with Erika and say, "I can't beat you in the final two, so I am evicting you." Instead, she must make herself believe that she hates Erika and that Erika and Rob have an alliance. There are no more alliances at this point...Erika has not committed to taking Robert to the final two...after this week it's every person for him/herself. I think it would be the decent thing to do to tell Erika that she will be evicted instead of this act of "I don't know what I am going to do."