Archive through September 18, 2003
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Archive through September 18, 2003
Charvie | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:20 am     I look at Alison's parents as trying to counterbalance the total shock Alison will have when she comes out of the house and try not to contribute to the already large amount of animonisty and disdain against her. Didn't anyone see the cbs interview with Donny? He already stated the likelihood of him and Alison getting back together was slim to none. I think her parents are just trying to take up the slack, she most likely has very few friends left and single, why should they want to contribute to that? Also, given Alison's emotional nature, they know there only soo much Alison will be able to handle. To feel her family has turned against her as well, I think that would be wrong. |
C1mag | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:27 am     I don't know Charvie if you followed the entire season but in one conversation between nate and ali she said she doesn't have tons of friends and she doesn't care. I think her family was supportive. Thats all it was. The only mistake she made was bashing Robs daughter. Just like Rob and all of his name calling, if she is asked about it she can sweep it under the table with an appology. The rest is cookies and cream. Many of them trashed talked and "tried" to play like she did but she was just better. As far as her and Donny goes who knows and who really cares? There business thats for sure. My understanding is that situation has already had some strange twists so this would not actually be the final straw. |
Earthmother | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:31 am     Listening to Ali talk I always get the impression that she has problems accepting responsibility for her own actions, while pointing out bad behavior in others. She has been doing this the whole game, which makes me think it's a natural thing for her. Hearing her parents last night it reaffirmed my feelings. As a parent I agree that being proud of your child is a wonderful thing, but being able to admit that some actions that child took are not acceptable is also being a good parent. The well rounded personality you hope to create when rearing your child is pride as well as distain for certain behaviors, and being able to say so. Most parents who are interviewed not only speak of pride but have no problem saying "I don't like it when----talks like that." Taking responsibility for poor behavior is not something you are born with it's something you are taught. |
Charvie | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:37 am     Alison talks a good game, but when it comes to execution and the truth it's another story. I feel Alison is insecure, does worry what others think of her, and all of the stuff she does and says, like what she said to Nathan, is cover. Her actions betray this. I think her parents were being supportive as well as easing the blow. Donny did say his friends were giving him a hard way to go and he couldn't see being with her. Alison will be a basket case when she sees how disliked she is. Now don't think I am an Alison fan, I am not. I find her comments and actions to be horrendous. But, she has screwed herself during the course of the game and Alison wants the people who will not want anything to do with her to like her, and they don't and that will bother and upset Alison. |
Lori | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:38 am     Absolutely Earthmother! |
C1mag | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:44 am     She's not a child she's an adult. I clearly have heard Ali say that she has lied, backstabbed and manipulated. She has also said that her family probably hates her along with her man. I guess she presents it so boldly without tears it sorta goes over everyones heads as they over analyze every move she makes. After all she is this years sounding board at this point. Perhaps some feel that one must fall on the ground nashing their teeth begging for some type of forgiveness. Then you have to ask... forgiveness for what? Doing what everyone else did but doing it better? How one could possibly equate all of this to every day life is beyond me. IT'S A GAME! I clearly recall a conversation with Justin and Ali and she asked him... "have I ever lied to you" and he quickly said, "No you have not" Later he said she is a liar but the odd part was when she saved him and didn't nominate him he thought he could manipulate her and started saying, "I know Ali and she is honest to me. I will have a talk with her" So the beast that some have tried to create called Ali isn't exactly 100 proof. When she loves someone and when she is their friend outside of a game she is honest and that is exactly what Justin was saying. Is it because she is female and she played her way all the way to the finals? I'm still stunned that every year the Alpha female comes out looking like trash for doing what so many of them did but the Alpha male is almost applauded for doing the same and sometimes even worse. Kudos to her family for seeing beyond the game! |
C1mag | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:54 am     I don't think it will bother Ali at all if none of these people like her or not. She had the right frame of mind. She didn't know these folks at all. She owed them nothing. The game she played on Nate was AWESOME! One of the best moves in the history of this game. She came to play for herself not for a bunch of strangers. people are making this sound like this was a freakin soap opera and these actions she displayed were to learn something about ethics. It's a game, it's a game, it's a game. She decided to play THE GAME for herself. She did it based on the tempo of the house. WOW evil wicked woman! She leaves with at least 50k and all those suckers that will sit in loser land complaining about her actions helped her get that much closer to the money. She got it and took advantage of it. Good for her. Society won't reject this girl. She will do just fine. She has already displayed that she sucks it up and moves on and in the end Alison Irwin seems to have the last laugh. I think thats great. She was a good choice for this show. She will brush it off, count her money, smile and move on. |
Mswolfe | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:56 am     Hi...Just a quick note.........Shannon did not use Hardy's toothbrush to clean the toilet..she used Nicole's. BB got her a new one before she used it again. |
Earthmother | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:01 am     I don't know what show you watched Mswolfe, but it was Hardy's toothbrush!!! C1mag..I know Ali is not a child, but adults become the product of what they learn as children. Plus calling Ali an adult just makes no sense to me..can't picture it!!  |
Lancecrossfire | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:10 am     C1--it was not just a game to Ali--if it was, she wouldn't have made it personal. |
C1mag | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:18 am     Lance have you asked Ali what it was to her? I think she'd say it was a game first. Did she really make it personal or gave the appearance of making it personal so that when she was lying they'd believe her performance? Earth I agree she displays child like qualities but didn't Will from season 2? And yet his garbage got him applause. Like I said it's a double standard with a female. |
Steveh | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:18 am     Gidget - If you haven't taken them, how do you know the LSAT are not difficult? I have heard--from those who have taken them recently--that they are tough and this is w/ the study guides and prep classes factored in. I fail to see how someone who professes to having read one book in her adult life can be reasonably termed "book smart?" Or how this lack of reading has helped prepare her for the LSAT. Ali's parents were part of last night's show, so why shouldn't there be some discussion of them? They were on briefly, but they said some--IMO--pretty astounding things: for example, Ali learned to backstab at beauty pageants. I have heard this statement made before by other contestants and their families, but it is not part of the understanding that the general public has of pageants. I'm sure there are a variety of opinions re. the show's all-time worst moment and there are several other worthy contenders, but mine--for now--is going to remain the child bashing, not only for what was said, but how it was said and the context in which it was said. Ugly. Nasty. Repeatedly. |
Puzzled | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:19 am     If I were Ali's parent, I would have said how I loved her and yakked about her good points, not *bragged* about her ability to lie, manipulate, and back-stab. Her father didn't refer just to BB--he said that this behaviour helped her in her pageants. This is supportive? IMO, anyway, I think Ali will laugh all the way to the bank. |
Steveh | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:21 am     Just for the record - I recall Justin telling Robert and Jee on several occasions that Ali is a "psycho" and, basically, not to believe a word she said. To her face, he said contrary things, but I'm going to reasonably assume he did that to avoid an exhausting, circular discussion that he was all too familiar with. I found him more believable in his admonitions to his new pals. |
Max | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:23 am     Well, my impression was that Ali's parents DID express their love for her, but also showed that they thought they WERE talking about her good points. They left me with the distinct impression that they felt her ability to lie, manipulate, and back-stab were assets to be proud of. In truth, these qualities have served her well in the game, just as they did for Will Kirby before. The difference for me is that Will told everyone in the house up front that he would absolutely lie to them, while Ali continually tells everyone how honest and sincere she is. |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:24 am     Believe me, the LSATs are not easy. I took it ten years ago, but I would imagine the level of difficulty has not changed. Sure, you can take a prep course but fundamentally it comes down to how well you read and analyze things. If Alison indeed wants to go to law school, I'm sure she will be able to find one that will accept her. And I think she will probably go work for her father's firm if she can't find a job elsewhere. The difficulty for her will be doing the actual work, and bringing in business. The reality is that she cannot coast on Daddy's tail forever. Eventually he is going to retire and one of these days she will need to make it as a lawyer on her own merits. I see no problem discussing the comments Alison's parents made on the show, regardless of whether they read this board or not. They didn't have to make any comments (we never saw Justin's family, did we?) and yet they chose to. |
C1mag | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:25 am     Puzzled I think she is gonna laugh all the way to the bank as well. |
Bastable | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:26 am     IT'S ONLY A GAME!!! This is not real life, where such behavior would indeed be unacceptable. THERE ARE NO RULES IN THIS GAME!! So why judge Ali, or her parents, by the way she has played the game? It's Big Brother--not Sunday School! |
C1mag | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:27 am     Alis actions made it CLEAR she was lying. They all knew and still allowed her to stay. It's the same twist with Will only she did the opposite. But as I said a female is not allowed to do these things. |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:29 am     I don't necessarily agree that people allowed Will to do it because he's a man and that people hate Ali for doing it because she is a woman. A large part of the reason why Will won is because so many of the voters disliked Nicole. I think if Will had been up against Lisa, he would have lost badly. |
C1mag | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:30 am     I can't believe anyone would know how ali will do in life as she grows. If anything she will be a success. She will know the legal system and apply it as needed. I have a big problem with suggesting anything negative about her parents on this board. If it's just an opinion about what they said thats cool. Decide you know them and are sure how they approach life then I feel it's wrong. |
C1mag | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:32 am     Crazy I agree with your thoughts on Will in regard to the house. However I was talking about the tone on boards like this and others where Will is some legend for saying he lied but have another person in the game lie and it happens to be a female and the boards go wild with crazy analysis of the woman and what she is and how horrid of a person she must be. It amazes me. |
Earthmother | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:38 am     Ali will land on her feet no doubt in my mind..If it weren't for her personal attacks on people (especially the child) that have nothing to do with the game, she would be without a doubt my favorite. The only thing I think her and Jun have done that make me cringe are these vile remarks. I really wanted to love Marc and Dani last year but the venom made me want them to just diappear and this is how I feel about the two girls left... I do not want to watch a love fest, I want to see down right manipulation and lying, but for the purpose of game not to delibertatly hurt people for no gain. |
Lancecrossfire | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:40 am     C1--for me it has nothing to do with female or male. When you start calling people perverts, child molesters, F'ing this and f'ing that and say how you hate people (including well after they are gone, it isn't just a game to them no matter the gender. If it was just a game, then none of that would be needed--or desired, sense it would take energy and focus away from the game. Per LFP, she said that Jack hated her, and used the reasoning that he did because he wanted her evicted. That doesn't sound like someone who is just playing a game. As soon as a man or woman approaches it as a game (and Jack was the one who I thought did just that) and leaves all the hate and name calling and character assassinations out, then I'll be happy to agree with you. There is one point I will agree with you about--she will laugh all the way to the bank. Bastable, in real life people get rewarded for "such behavior" every day. That is what makes it reality TV. Ali, like Will, made it clear she was lying to us, not to the other HG's. Everyone keeps saying how Will admitted all along that he was lying and they still kept him around--well, what people have forgotten was that it was in the DR when he said it every show--he never said it to the other HG's. Gender has nothing to do with it from my perspective--a player is a player and the same rules and ways to evaluate should be used. |
What555456 | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:41 am     I was shocked listening to her parents -- especially her father who did most of the raving about her actions on the show. I would be terribly embarrassed if she were my daughter -- not just because of her ease with which she manipulates, lies and attacks (she has had a lot of practice) and not just because she used her body the way any stripper in a night club would to gain attention and suypport, but also because of her abysmal ignorance. My thought though, as I listened to them was how clearly material and financial gain is their primary motivation. These are not people who see beyond fame and fortune to define personal success. It is no wonder Ali is like she is. Yech! |
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