Jimmer | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 08:55 pm     It's curious that while so many of you here intensely dislike Robert, it is almost universally accepted that Robert would defeat the two woman at the end in what is essentially a popularity contest of the remaining houseguests that he lived with all this time. Care to explain that one? |
Kmjm | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:10 pm     Jimmer, Rob likely has a guaranteed 3 votes with his alliance buddies of Jee, Justin and Dana. That plus the vote of either Jun or Ali if one of them boots the other, and he is home free. Also, since he and Erika had a reconciliation and Jun and Ali basically betrayed her she might vote Rob as well. Or not! Who can tell? I wouldn't say that the final vote is neccessarily a popularity contest. If so, IMO it wouldn't be so much what a great guy Rob is but how many enemies Jun and Ali have made. |
Nexell2 | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:10 pm     That's easy Jimmer. Nobody wants Ali to win because women aren't suppose to act like she does. Men on the other hand can be excused for all types of vile behavior. I believe they are calling it the lesser of two evils or some such thing. |
Sunrvrose | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:14 pm     And speaking of nose-picking, I for one am darn sick and tired of constantly having that phrase pop up in every freaking thread. Enough Already! I find it particularly aggrivating when I am having my dinner. I can turn it off on the feeds, but it seems like a lot of folks here get some kind of delight to repeat it over and over and over ad nausium. Poor taste is poor taste, whether it is him doing it or everybody talking about it. |
Csnog | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:15 pm     Jack would not vote for Robert. Erika would not vote for Robert. Nate would not vote for Robert. Depending on who would be voted off on Wed. Jun would not vote for Robert. Ali would not vote for Robert. Dana would vote for Jun but not Ali. Jee might vote for Jun instead of Robert due to family ties, but would vote for Robert vr. Ali. I do not think Robert could win the big money. |
Jimmer | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:20 pm     "Popularity" was probably the wrong word. I guess most deserving would be a better way of putting it. The houseguests vote for who they think is most deserving based on their criteria of what most deserving is (be it honesty, good game play, strategy, whatever). No none here will argue that they'll vote for him because of his intelligence and good game playing strategy. I just find it ironic that a lot of people including Ali and Jun think Robert could win this vote and is "popular" enough to get it. Csnog may be right, but I don't think Ali and Jun and a lot of viewers feel that way. |
Juiceman | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 11:19 pm     Robert will be the only 'real' winner of BB4 even if and when he goes out in third. From a 'handicap' point of view - Rob had the lowest odds and came the farthest against all odds.. but more than that.. Rob grew and bettered himself this last few weeks. He became a better man and a better father. Robs growth and change in these last two weeks means he walks out with so much more than Alison or Jun can ever hope. and hey.. final three is pretty damn good. A few years ago that was in the cash-winners circle too. |
Mystery | Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 11:21 pm     I don't believe that Robert's going on the show makes him a bad parent. I don't believe it necessarily makes him a good one, either. He's demonstrated that he's not willing to hold down a real job to help support his daughter. He can say he loves her till he's blue in the face for all I care. |
Juiceman | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 02:19 am     Mystery? Im a little worried that you base and judge love on someone having a job at one time or another?! Rob is still relatively young and losing jobs is very very common nowadays. (ok even if Erika getting you fired isnt as common) In any case, Rob DID take a job that pays 3000 a month (not too shabby) and it gives him a job after its over. CBS does have a 'good faith' clause to find employment for guests after the show. Anyway - I am pretty sure Robert has not had any problems supporting his daughter financially and Im sure with his skills he will continue to. (tidbit - From what Im being told, Robert was amanager of a very good restaurant at a very young age.. seems has been reasonably succesful in careers) All I know is that i saw Robert truly grow and become a stronger and deeper person through this last few weeks. That to me is 'Real' winning and in a few years he may realise that he won far more than money. I dont think Rob loving his daughter is even seriously questionable now.. even to the most anti-robert viewers. |
Lorry | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 08:16 am     I agree with the Juiceman (again) ! Very good points made. |
Kmjm | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:36 am     As a point of fact- Erika phoned up Rob's boss who basically told her that her actions were not appropriate. She didn't get him fired, he did that all on his own. I do think Rob has grown as a person in the house, but all things are relative, and he wasn't much to begin with. |
Juiceman | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 12:50 pm     Thanks Lorry...lol.. I dont get too many people agreeing with me here so I appreciate it lol! ;) I am pretty much convinced Alison winning HoH might be Roberts only hope of winning now. As far as Im concerned Rob is the real winner ..but any cash prizes dont look so good for him now. |
Kalekona | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 12:53 pm     Erika told Julie she'd like to see Rob win the money so i think she would vote him. |
Txcoffeecup | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 01:26 pm     Interesting conversation with Jun and Ali about when to tell Robert. Jun is all for doing it now.....Ali wants to wait.....think she has a plan to dump Jun at the last minute and does not want to show her hand yet? |
Earthmother | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 04:35 pm     Where Ali is concerned you can't ever be sure!! I still think Ali or Jun may take Robert based on the original allience connection..they may figure in parting words that they can sway the originals by reminding them that valuable information was given to them by the stooges which they shared and for that they deserve the vote. After all how can Jun or Ali be faulted if the other 3 couldn't win a competition. That could very well get Jun a vote from Erika, Jack, Nathan and possibly Jee. Ali may have to spread it much thicker to pull it off. It's BS of course, but it's worked for them so far..lol I really believe if Robert is in the finals he will get votes from Jee, Justin and Erika (he offered to pay her bills and I believe he would) for sure, and Dana if he's up against Ali. Jack and Nathan are the only two I can't even guess about. |
Texasdeb | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:06 pm     When cows fly! If Jun could win final HOH, she would prob. beat either of the two. IMO, she'll think it's too risky considering the former Jee3 power as votes for Rob to take him with her. Ali would NOT be a vote for Jun if she wasn't final 2. If Ali wins final HOH, who knows! 1) take Jun: Jee 3 + Dana will vote Jun. 2) take Rob: Jee 2 + Dana will vote Rob (Ali prob. thinks she has Jack,Erika,Nate) Jun would prob. be pissed off & vote Rob to win. Ali's in a no win sit.! |
Sunshyne4u | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:30 pm     1)From a Bastable post previously "I think Rob has been a very good father so far. ********** I am seething. Rob HIMSELF has told the HGs what a TERRIBLE father he was up until he stopped drinking a year ago. He used to have his daughter for Visitations and be too drunk in the morning to get up and help her off to school...then he'd work late and party, coming home impaired. He'd make promises which never came to pass........Robert feels very guilty about these "wasted years". part2) How many of us have our dads on national TV saying over and over again how important we are to him? ******** Yes, Rob has said this many times. Then swore "on his daughter" when making side deals with other HGs. part3)His little girl has been given a gift that will last forever and see her through some tough times" ********** This poor kid is probably being absolutely tormented by the other kids in school.....YOUR dad is bad, we saw him on tv picking his nose and swearing. Rob's poor daughter will probably need therapy after all these occurrences and having cameras rammed into her face as she is crying on the phone. I would be ashamed to be a father who allowed his daughter to be manipulated as an attempt to increase ratings on a TV show. JUST MY OPINIONS........(my rant is over....sigh) |
Bastable | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:29 pm     Feeling better now?  |
Sunshyne4u | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 09:39 pm     Better OUT than IN!!! my Grandpa used to say when I was a kid. So I got my thoughts out! ;-)) |