Archive through September 17, 2003
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Archive through September 17, 2003
Carrie92 | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 10:36 pm     I agree with Csnog, a year from now we'll be griping about the new HG's anyway. And I just have to say Bondmaiden, you are cracking my a$$ up!! I may just join you with that drink. lmao |
Bomom | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 11:01 pm     Let's face it. The bottom line is that these three people are some of the most hateful, immature, self-centered human beings we have had to witness on this show. Their behavior has been deplorable. I think we're all frustrated because there's simply no one left to even like just a tiny bit. None of them deserve a penny, or any recognition or attention for the way they have acted as human beings, game-playing or not. At this point, for me, there is not even a "lesser of the three evils". (And please don't jump on me, it's just an expression, I'm not saying they are evil, just very, very unlikeable.) I, for one, will be glad to see them all walk out the door into the oblivion they deserve. |
Bondmaiden | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 11:16 pm     Oh Peshaw! They're good kids. |
Sunshyne4u | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 11:25 pm     GAK! When people start making "size that counts" comments about male parts I must speak up. Just because a man can look small in a non-happy state does not mean it is not HUGE in a happy state. There have been cases of 4-5 inch growth. I think that ALI and JUN are just being silly. In the Live Feed Posts A & J were commenting on pencil-d*cks Rob and Jee. I was surprised...at this point these two girls are feeding off each others venom and are just saying anything to get each other going again. They have nothing in common except this ability to banter and badmouth. Thank goodness WEDS is tomorrow. Considering ALL THREE are packing, I would assume that neither Jun nor Ali are that confident that they are still going to be there. Should be interesting!! |
Bondmaiden | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 11:32 pm     Are you an expert on this size thingy Sun? Just asking. |
Bogiesgal | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 01:28 am     I am a lurker who just has to say two things. 1) The first is in response to the statement: "The bottom line is that every HG, including Jack (buzzards crotch), Erika (remarks about Jee) and certainly Robert have made some really nasty, unfair, vile remarks about someone (adult) in the house." The difference is that these statements were one time statements...June and Ali have been saying every vile thing they can think of in regard to Robert for at LEAST the last six days - nonstop. 2) One of the posters said she refused to judge Jun and Ali. Normally I would applaud such a noble statement but these girls are on a TV show precisely so we CAN watch 24/7 and develop opinions (judgements) about them. If no one felt positive or negative about any of the houseguests there would be no show. It is all about cheering for one HG or not wanting another HG to win. How do we decide which HG is which? By judging! The competitions and Luxury challenges are just a way to make the show appear to have some sort of "gamesmanship" but it is really all about OUR need to be voyuers and to judge..... |
Juiceman | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 01:50 am     It pathetic and I knew this would happen - People have rushed in to 'nullify' these horrendous comments by Jun and ALison by pulling the old 'Ya but he said' moral relativism gimmick. FORGET ROBERT or anyone else in that house and hold the individuals responsible for their own behavior! They are accountable for what they are doing and NO AMOUNT of re-hashing so-called 'opposing badness' justify's the crapulence spilling out of their mouths. If you want to talk about something Robert said once (and since apologised for about 4 times) then go nuts in a Robert debate thread because it has NO BEARING on the rightness or wrongness of Jun and Alisons comments. Sorry but it simply makes my head hurt watching some in here actually try and 'cancel out' any guilt of these girls by using this highly flawed but sadly highly effective gimmick. Then inevitably someone capitalises on it by posting 'Hey lets face it.. they ALL said bad things so get over it" Grrrrrr. ok better now. (until someone replies with 'ya but Robert said some bad thi...) agh! |
Beruthiel | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 02:22 am     Juiceman, good point. Two wrongs don't make a right. |
Missapril | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:30 am     uh, robert only 'apologised' (sic) when he was called on his statements. he didn't offer any apolgies before he was outed. no one has yet given one single credible argument supporting all this self-righteous and hysterically misplaced outrage over the use of a man's own words against ALL women against merely another 'woman' who happens to be his young daughter. get real people! LOL! |
Lorry | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:36 am     I have been able to sit back and watch the "Juiceman" eloquently and with conviction, present exactly my point of view. I need add nothing more. Bravo Juiceman ! Your posts are so well put together I am in awe ! |
Monalisahi | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:37 am     Missapril, Robert was "called out" in private for his comments. None of the hg's heard it. He told them about it and apologized. Had he kept his mouth shut and not apologized, Ali and Jun would have never known about it until after the show was over. Actually, I think apologizing was a stupid game move on his part, but I give credit where credit is due. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:42 am     Did Robert apologize to Jun & Ali? I haven't seen that yet. The only apology I've seen so far it the one he made during the webchat - after being asked about the statements twice. I admit to skimming the LFPs for days now because I'm so sick of the lying and bashing - so I could have missed it. |
Missapril | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:43 am     He had no idea what they might have been told. He was CHA, obviously - or he really IS that stupid in which case, he outed himself and, therefore, had to apologize. Same cut either way. Yuo're really working hard to identify credit, clearly, but that certainly doesn't in any way mean giving it is in any way 'due'. Giving 'credit' to a hg or another poster without bothering to cite why it's 'due' is a practice in meaningless snarking. |
Crazydog | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:50 am     I thought Robert did apologize to Jun and Alison. It was when they were on the little houses, he told them about what Julie asked him and he said he didn't mean it, and that's how he reacts when he's angry, or something like that. The funniest thing was that Alison was in the DR being all sanctimonious and saying "was he not thinking when he said that"? Hello? Alison? You have a pot-kettle problem here. You are far and away the absolute worst offender of speaking before you think. I wish I could hear Donny's reaction to the pinata. Such a clueless girl. |
Missapril | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:56 am     seems alison, while clearly clueless, doesn't have the sensitivity or the sophistication to know her non-PC and plain old hateful statements could possibly be construed as hateful or hurtful - she evidently doesn't see them that way herself or assumes others realize it is in jest. hence, why apologize? robert, on the other hand, knew he got his jewels in a twist with his hateful, chauvanistic remarks and evidently was sweating about it being revealed to the girls by bb or someone in the jury house. he knew they were offensive and apologized. i don't know if ali really knows she's being offensive with some of the things she does and says. |
Earthmother | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:59 am     Thanks Wendo, I can always count on those who put us sinners back on the high road where we belong..and I hope you are around to remind me of my moral obligation to a bunch of uncivilized adults when I start calling children names, who have no place in this game while making excuses for it!!!!! need I say more? |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:00 am     So Robert's ok because he apologized AFTER he got called out on the carpet by Julie? Hmmm ............ something about that just doesn't jive with me. I think at this point, trying to figure out which one of the remaining HGs in the least evil of the bunch is a waste of energy. |
Kalekona | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:03 am     He apologized period.. it doesn't matter who called him on it. And yes he did apologize to the girls off handedly when he told them. If he didn't know what he said was wrong why apologize? The bottom line is these girls both know the horrid things they have said about him (and everyone else in the house) but only find his behavior as bad because it was about them. Jun's comment "how can he call us that he doesn't know us" and yet 3 days latter she's calling a baby a b@tch shows the hypocracy here. Robert was wrong- he was made aware and foolishly tried to do the right thing. Ali and Jun are wrong--period. and they get glee from all of this making it even more distasteful than anything anyone else has said. I think that's why it bothers so many.. it is so full of venom and they delight in it. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:06 am     He's a grown man. He should KNOW that calling someone the words he called them were wrong without some attractive, well-dressed tv show host pointing it out. Like I said, trying to find a noble character in that house is an impossible task. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:08 am     After they finished the house HOH comp Jun & Ali said he didn't apologize - so whatever he said while standing on the house wasn't taken as an apology by the women. From what I remember - He was totally grinning and laughing off the comments while standing on the house (acting very cocky) - I can see why they didn't consider that an apology. I will admit - Robert isn't terribly good at making himself understood much of the time. During some convo.s he can speak for five minutes without finishing one sentance. Perhaps he thinks he apologized and they don't. If someone told me they 'didn't mean it', I would still expect to hear something more - something to the effect of 'I didn't mean it, I'm sorry I said it, I'm sorry if I offended you', and I would expect a remotely solemn attitude - not a cocky laugh. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:08 am     I guess my point is, do you think Robert would have apologized if Julie had never said anything to him about it? If the answer is no, (and tend to think it is) then why are we even having this conversation?  |
Monalisahi | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:14 am     oh geez......I've said it so many times, but I guess I need to say it again. I don't defend Robert, I won't defend Robert.....I don't think much of him as a person or a man. I was only trying to clarify that he did apologize and was not forced to do so. Geez, I give Ali credit for her skills in the competitions.....can't stand her either. I give Jun credit for the great job she did with "floating".....can't stand her either. Even though I don't think much of a person's character, doesn't mean I can't give them credit for something I think they have done well. But, in case you missed it in any of my numerous posts previously.....ROBERT WAS WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. But, he did apologize for it and was not forced to do so. Now, I would say the same of either Ali or Jun if they were to go to Robert and tell him what they said and apologize for it or explain why they said it. But, like I said about ROBERT, it's a stupid move in the game. Clear??? |
Earthmother | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:15 am     Robert was "outed" by Julie privately..Did he have to tell those people anything? NO he didn't, they would not have know until the game was over!! Could it be that he felt guilty and wanted to make amends? Who really knows? But he did tell them and he did apologize (accepted blame). Are they obligated to tell him what they have said? NO they are not!! Do I respect them in any way, shape or form? NO I DO NOT!! Do I respect Robert for taking responsibility for his actions? YES I DO!! My respect meter is not based on "who said worse to who blah, blah, blah, blah, blah..the issue is "who takes responsibility for their nasty behavior and who is that nasty behavior directed at?" If they had called Robert a name and threatened to throw his coke over the fence, I would have laughed. This isn't about HIM!! |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:20 am     I guess that's just where you and I disagree, I don't find a whole lot of honor in apologizing only after you've been called on it, even if the person you offended doesn't know you did it. |
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:25 am     Well, I thought both Ali and Jun really showed their perspectives when they said they couldn't understand why Rob would fess up to his bad deeds. It's called clearing the air and taking responsibility for your mistakes. Something, based on their comments, Ali and Jun can't relate to. Hey, as long as no one knows you said or did something, why fess up. Don't expect an honest apology from either of them about anything. As Ali said, she can bring the tears on cue--shge did it when she evicted Erika--and said so last night in the DR. |
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