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Mzcruella

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My favorite line of the show was Robert saying he'd rather vote for the turtles.

Bronxie

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
/what a show! You could have turned the sound down and still feel the various emotions being expressed by their changing faces. The scene of Jun and Ali sitting in their assigned chairs was priceless. These girls who had always taken such care and time to look "pretty" came across like two very unattrative, unsavory characters, with guilt and phony smiles crudely pasted on their faces. What followed was Reality TV at its best. There is nothing that could have been scripted, or acted by proffessionals, that could compare to this most satisfying ending. Arnold made lemonade out of a very offensive lemon.

Queenfish

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 05:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I , too , think the frostbite was well deserved. It was also, Imo, the best show of the season. It was obvious as soon as the evicted returned to the house, that the temp. was droping and would continue to drop. Ali and Jun ran to the door, expecting jubilation and got 7 cold shoulders. Some colder than others. At one point they were in the hall way, and people just kept walking by them, kinda ignoring their existance.

I loved, when they were questioning the girls and Jun said basically, "Vote for me, I am not as big a floosy as Ali" ok, i paraphrased it, but the look on Ali's face was priceless.

Someone above said this is real reality tv. You are correct poster, we couldn't have seen that with well seasoned actors. I enjoyed it and can't wait to run in the den and watch it again.

Farewell BB friens until we become addicted again next summer. Now on to more serious notions, such as Survivor, Pearl Island. See you over there, matties.

Csnog

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have been on a jury and believe me your emotions are raw at the end of a trial. You need down time to understand all your feelings when your not supposed to base your decision on those feelings.

When the entire HG's get to see and read on the internet they will come to the conclusion that they all made mistakes.

We don't know "WHAT" BB chose to show them.

They will always be part of an experiance that other people have not and that fact will bond them.

Steveh

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hoosiergirl - The rules, IMO, regarding violence are vague. Ali continually "threatened" violence to people's faces and behind their backs. Some of it was "joking", I guess, but how far do you take a joke? On the other hand, I found nothing funny in statements like "I'm going to kill that Cuban f*g."

What's the difference between "Kill all the f*gs" and threatening to kill one "f*g." As I see it, the sentiments being expressed are EXACTLY the same and--I'll tell ya--seeing that exhortation on that idiot's binder totally creeped me out, just as the final tirade of Jun and Ali did.

Keiffer

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The reaon that it seems as if Jun and Ali said more hurtful things than the other is because the had more time to say bad things.

I still maintain that had they been in the "round table" discussion with all the rest that the venom showed them would have been less. They were never given the chance to speak about their actions, or to apologize for them like all the others were.

Prisonerno6

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"or to apologize for them like all the others were."

Jun was. One of the few bits I saw in channel flipping was when Erika asked Jun about the trash talk in the Q&A session, and she passed it all off as joking. I think a lot of fences could have been mended if Jun had just continued her explanation with, "But I'm sure some times it didn't come off as funny to the person to whom it was directed, so I'm sorry for anything I said that caused hurt feelings." But she didn't, and realizing it was just going to be more of the same "but everyone else did it" rationalizations, I flipped back to West Wing.

I did see Jun's interview on the Early Show this morning, and I think I was right in flipping back. When asked about the chilly reception she said (among other things), that Dana did hug Jun on the stairs, but she said Jun would have to apologize to her later. Jun said this morning that she didn't know what she had to apologize for, that others said worse things.

Yup, the old two wrongs mean I'm not responsible for my own actions argument.

Ladytex

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The frost was well deserved. The only thing these two women (I refuse to call them ladies) have to be proud of is that they outlasted the others and walked away with more money.

Jc2003

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun and Ali deserved every bit of what they got and more. CBS had let those two slip quite a bit on the TV "presentations". They may have won the money, but it was a hallow victory for two hallow hearts. Jee had the best comment of the night with his comment when revealing his vote. I think perhaps none of them "deserved" to win, but that's why it was a prize to win- not a gift anyone deserved.

Kennyb

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jun wanted Bob there more than her parents........so for her to be welcomed out by him was a plus. Donnie's letter on the other hand was very non-committal in both directions. "You never cease to amaze me" that was classic clearly that could go either way. ( I wonder if he was waiting to see if she won the BIG money before he decided what to do!) Maybe he's "floating" like her!

Smokey

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, and if I remember right, Julie said that Donnie's letter was 'paraphrased', meaning they could have taken something like, "you have upset me beyond words" and changed it into "you never cease to amaze me" for less of a slap to Ali in public view.

Misslibra

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The frostbite was well deserve and the girls got what they wanted. They said they never wanted to talk to any of the other HG's again, so be it. Jee's comment was great and right on target. Jack's comment that Jun played the best game in the house, was a nice slap in the face to Ali... big ouch !!

Babyruth

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked the final show. It was satisfying to see some hard-hitting consequences come to the players who played the most personal foul game.

This year, the year of the unexpected, Arnie and Gang decided to see what would happen if the jury got to see the DR entries, and to show their reactions live in the final show. The best twist ever. Real reality.

I'm not sure if Ali and Jun will ever "get" that there is another way to win at things (though there is always hope), but it was good to see CBS pull this last twist and hold up the mirror to them, "fair" or not.

Misslibra

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder how come Julie didn't call the girls on some of their bad behavior when she did the finale interview with them. There was a nice opening there for Julie when the girls replied the other HG's were just jealous because of their strategy. I was hoping Julie would reply but what about when you cross the lines in personal attacks of people not even in the game, that had nothing to do with strategy. I would have like to hear their response to that. Julie's interview with them was rather soft IMO.

Marameko

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A nice ending to what was a very boring BB, at least last year we had some true excitement with the "secret" Dani/Jason alliance,and Marc not using the veto and literally being kicked out while in a daze. Ahhhhhhh those were the days my friends........to bad they had to end.

As the lesser of two terrible evils I am glad Jun won, but both of the final 2 deserved every bit of the frosyt reception they received...... I have the world's smallest violin in my hand playing it for Ali and Jun........ Sniff , sniff, tear drop........NOT

Rupertbear

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure how many future contestants of BB have actually seen past shows but last night should be required viewing for future contestants as to how NOT to conduct themselves in the house.The level of venom has slowly risen annually, reaching an inglorious crescendo this year. It was painful and difficult to watch sometimes. Maybe the new dynamic of ex's being introduced amplified and encouraged the level of animosity but hopefully next year Arnold will realize we don't want to see gratuitous verbal violence....um, just nudity ;)

Gina8642

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Personally I'm getting a little sick of the final show being a carbon copy of the previous years. This ending and the jury HGs treatment of the finalists was exactly the same as BB2 and BB3. I think the whole show, from casting down to the way 'the game' is designed to play out causes this type of 'frostbite' ending. No variety at all.

Anyway - some final awards from Gina:

Biggest hypocrite of the evening - goes to Erika. For complaining the the game should be played on a higher level and then gets called out for making racist remarks about Jee and for calling Dana names. Instead of apologizing to Dana she tries to justify herself claiming it was for strategy. Very slow to apologize to Jee as well, final does when she realizes there is no justification of the sort of action. Sorry Erika - I don't believe you that is was strategy, you were just a mean spirited and cruel as Jun & Ali.

Best barb - A tie between Jun and Ali. Jun for calling Ali on her 'methods' in the game. Crawling into bed and what not. Alison for informing Jun that not everyone dishes on people like Jun does. Both were 100% correct.

Pettiest person - Gigantic ties between all the former HGs who lied, used mean tactics, and outright weren't very nice people in the game. (I believe that is everyone except Amanda, Michelle, and Justin) They all acted like Jun and Ali's moral superiors at the end and mostly failed to congratulate the final two. Sorry folks, but if any of you made it that far, you would have been just as guilty. (I'll give Jack kudos for sincerely apologizing to Dana (unlike Erika) and for congratulating Jun on playing a smart game.

Taking it like a champ - Alison. Who lost very well, never acting the sore loser and who by all appearances was very happy for Jun when she won.

Most confusing vote - Erika. Did she say she'd vote for the person who took her out of the game and then vote for Jun? I swear that Alison voted her out? Did she forget this? Did she say the opposite of what she meant?

Best answer to a Julie question - Amanda's "no" when asked about if Amanda was moving to L.A. to presue a romantic future with what's his name. I'm not sure why they ever cast her, but it is very refreshing to see someone on T.V. who shuns T.V. time. LOL

Funniest moment of the evening - The Mime. I don't think I need to explain this one. LOLOLOLOLOL

Anyway - Cogratulations on making it to the final two Jun and Alison. Congratulations on your win Jun. You both played amazing games!

Earthmother

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It was definately icy...I didn't feel any of them had warm, fuzzy feelings about each other. I think if any of them get to hear what happened when just the two girls were left in the house there will never be a reunion show..unless Ali and Jun use some of their winnings for a bodyguard.

Kennyb

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina I recall the final episodes of BB1-3 being WAY warmer than the bitter and chilly show last night!The previous ones almost had a reunion feel--last night was just almost painful to watch--although I enjoyed every minute--LOL.

Misslibra

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The biggest hypocrite was each and everyone of them in that house if you want to be fair about it.

I understood Erika, that was another slap to Ali's face. To show Ali how it feels when you say one thing and do another, pay back is a B****.

Sweetpea1994

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess the Finale Show proves that it is not just a game.

Misslibra

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sweetpea, I have been trying to tell people this show is way more then just a game but they didn't believe me. LOL

Smokey

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to agree with Kennyb about Gina's comments saying all the end shows are the same. I very much disagree with that statement. This is the first one where I felt you could just feel the anger and hate between them.

BB1 in particular had a great ending--it was happy and everyone was happy for each other. I think maybe Curtis was disappointed about coming in 3rd, but other than that, it was a happy occassion.

Earthmother

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
you are right Sweetpea and Misslibra..I've said before; when real people, families and feelings are involved it's not just a game. When you win something, others should be happy...Yes they have the money, but they don't have respect from the other people they shared the house with nor do they have it from many, many, many people they will come in contact with later. I know some of you say "how do you know people won't respect them?" WE ARE THE PEOPLE!! and if a poll was taken I doubt I would be wrong. We don't know how many people see or read the live feeds from their home towns, but I would bet more than a few..Money can buy a lot of things but you have to earn respect.

Puzzled

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
To show Ali how it feels when you say one thing and do another, pay back is a B****.

Wow, Misslibra, I hadn't thought of that--ROFLMBO!!!

What surprised me was the total lack of reaction from anyone when Jun got the fourth vote.

IMO, the frostiness was Real and Deserved.

Then, there was the lame editing. After AS edited the beginning to make it look like Ali won in a landslide, we all knew that Jun won.