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Smurf

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can anyone point to examples where things that happened on the live feed were completely misrepresented on the TV episodes? I'm trying to put together a presentation for a class, and I need some examples.

Sunrvrose

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The first thing that comes to my mind is when Ali won the last HOH. Jun had placed the wrong answer in the slot, but the "powers" lit up her light, indicating whe was correct.

In the meantime, Ali placed the correct ans and ran to the top. This was not shown on TV at all.

BB told Jun that the winner would stand because Jun would still not have had time to change her answer and beat Ali. Based on what we saw on TV, that seems to be true.

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You saw that on the LFs? WOW! I had FOTH for the entire veto comp and don't know for a fact what happened! You have a MUCH better deal on the LFs than I'm getting. :)

Sunrvrose

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You might want to change the topic of your report to "Things on LF that I never THOUGHT would make it to the show."

I never thought in a million years that they would show Robert's foul references to the women, I never thought they would show references to some his personal habits.

I never thought they would show intimate contact.
I never thought they would show how very nasty many of the HG were in speaking of others.
I never thought they would show Erica saying something about the blimp crashing and Jun and Ali dying. (so sad, I loved erica)

And now, between Ali and Jun, it is just a free-for-all with bashing ALL of the other HG, and I feel pretty sure they are going to show that too.

Sunrvrose

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Clio, it is in the LFP

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sun, don't mind me, I'm just messing with you :) .......... BUT I was watching the LFs when that veto happened and if what you described in your post is what ended up in the LF posts then SOMEONE did a LOT of assuming because I'm telling you, that was WAY more information than we got at the time.

Smurf, there's not anything I've seen on the feeds that were misrepresented by the time they made it onto the show, but I may have missed something. I am kinda dense. :)

Churah

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember one, Smurf. The pinata episode. Robert had one of his temper tantrums and didn't want to paint his pinata. On the tv show, BB had Robert saying the pinatas reminded him of his daughter and that's why he didn't want to paint it. ( That wasn't the case when he threw the hissy fit. )

Justin42

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
COMPLETLY misrepresented? Nothing sticks out in my head tooo horribly strongly. Of course, I haven't been paying that much attention. ;)

The one thing that sticks in my head is the night they decorated the pinatas, as Jee was still there and decorated a pinata. However, by the time the show with that segment aired, Jee was evicted, and they did an incredible job making sure neither Jee nor his pinata made any scene.

It happened like 2 weeks ago, last week of August, I think? (If you need dates to check LFP's)

While it doesn't affect the game, it shows how they manipulate the order of events.

(sorry I can't think of any game-critical edits right now)

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh wait! I know ............. the blimp thingy! Ali and Jun did NOT want to go on the blimp ride and thought it was an awful prize. They were shown being "happy" but that was fake happieness.

Spear

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 12:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I never saw it but some say that Erika's "Korean" comment about Jee was taken out of context on the TV show.

Boberg

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
On live feeds the houseguests were clearly not thrilled with winning Burger King..talked about how they did not like Burger King..it was the parachute food contest..when aired on tv..only showed hg excited about winning Burger King.

Hg mumbled and grumbled about winning Laundry as a luxury comp..but again on tv they appeared excited about that competition..on LF heard several hg complain how BB laundry had ruined some of their clothes during their sequestration before they entered the house and were afraid togive BB their clothes again.

Almost to a person..the hg have commented on how certain contest were rigged for a certain person to win..esp. the HOH that Justin won..none of these comments have made it to tv.

The biggest misrepresentation I can think of is how Roberts was on live feeds compared to how he was represented on the tv shows up until about 2-3 weeks ago when BB finally showed how he talks about women.

None of these misrepresentations have had any big impact on outcomes though..JMHO

Sorry that is all I can think of at this time..hope it helps

Naja

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One part that really was misrepresented on the tv show was Robert when he said all the girls are so shallow in what they talk about and he can't stand it. As an example in the montage, they used Erika asking "What was the sister's name on 'Family Ties'?"..What was funny about that is Robert was the one SO into that tv show quiz conversation. He was having a great time with Erika doing that and HE was the one who was trying to keep it going and didn't want to stop playing.


I hope they do an "Ali Lies" montage. There were tons of them flowing for no reason from her mouth yesterday. Funny part is, she sounds like she believes herself.

Zgoodgirl

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
How about the Piñata food comp where they had to decorate them for the next day? Jee was there and decorated a dinosaur. Robert was pouting and basically refusing to do the piñatas. What I saw on live feed was him throwing a fit, because one: Jee was going the next night, and two: he was the next to go. The next day was the live show, and Jee was voted off.

So...the following Fri show had Rob, Ali, and Jun decorating the piñatas, making it look like this was done AFTER Jee was evicted, and AFTER Rob got HOH. And on the show, they mentioned that the reason for Robert pouting and not getting into the decorating, was because it reminded him too much of his daughter, and not because he thought he was the next to leave.

Zgoodgirl

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Churah and Justin42, didn't see the comments made about the piñatas before I posted.

Monalisahi

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The one thing that comes to mind for me was the marathon strategizing by the "Dream Team." Of course there was not enough time to air this, but I don't think the tv viewers got an accurate picture of how <LC> these guys really were. Any success that they had was mainly from luck, and had little to do with their abilities. I thought it was funny how the show always aired Justin talking about how honest he was, but didn't air his lies.

Boberg

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 08:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Monalisahi..What were Justin's lies?

Ryn

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lets see...

Any time the HGs complain about the lack of the luxury competitions - or should I say the "lame" (in their opinion) rewards. None of that makes it to the show.

The 20 minute gap during the food competition where they made each other up into food. Alison got hurt and they stopped the clock and then resumed it 20 minutes later with no mention of it.

Boberg - Justin has deceived others - or rather did - a few times - he was not completely honest with people outside of the "jee3" when talking about events.

The handling of Scott's health issue - BB decided to omit the fact he has a sexually transmitted disease - while it didn't need to be mentioend - the HGs (a couple of the girls) did have a strong reaction to this fact.

Any time a HG was sure to be evicted - the producers look for clips that raise a doubt - to add to the suspense. For example - this week - I can almost guarentee you Robert is going - yet I will also guarentee you that CBS will find any and every instance where you might think he might stay.

Same goes for every other HG that has been evicted during BBII, and III. Its almost always a certainty who is going. The only people watching the night Michelle was evicted that DIDN'T know she was going was Jee, Robert, Justin, and the folks that only watch the TV Show. The rest of us were watching to see their faces drop.

During BBII Sheryl was a surprise (the 1st HG evicted) only because we had not seen the feeds long enough to know she was going - we all saw Nicole represented one way - and didn't realize they had all agreed to evict Sheryl until we saw the meetings that went on before the feeds went live.

Monalisahi

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 08:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Boberg, awwww, don't make me go all the way through all the live feeds to find them.....LOL. But I do remember at the time thinking...there's a lie. Only reason it really stuck out to me was because he kept saying how honest he was.

And Ryn, I think he was deceptive even to the "Dream Team." He was telling them how happy he was to have been with them, while telling others that is NOT the alliance he would have chosen. And it was obvious he didn't fully trust Jee when he went outside during the cage competition.

The other thing that cracked me up with Justin was the way he went on about Nathan being a baby over being nominated and that he would never act like that.....LOL.

I wasn't rooting for Justin. I think it was because of the Jee 3 alliance. Had he been alligned with Jack and Erika (as he said he wished he would have been) I would have probably been pulling for him.

Gina8642

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually think stuff has been shown pretty well in the TV show. Occasionally the editors get out ahead of themselves in how they protray someone - like Robert early this season being protrayed as some sort of saint. But since then the editing has caught up wiht him and shown both sides - the misogynist and the loving father.

The most dishonest part is pretending that they have no clue who might go during eviction. To the point where they obfiscate the alliances. But I also know that the editors jobs are to get ratings, and if they gave away the evictee in advance, no one would watch. So, I've pretty much come to accept this part of the editing.

Another thing missing from TV is anything significant that happens on Tuesday or early Wednesday. I think the story editors finalize most of the Wednesday TV show early Tuesday - so if any significant meetings or alliances occur Tuesday night - too bad - it's too late to add to the show.

One specific instance I can think of is Jee and Robert threatening Ali the night before the Erika/Jack vote. I watched this meeting on the live feeds - IMO Jee and Robert really went too far, they came off as extremely slimy and disgusting. They crowded her, threatened her. It was gross. I think it helped really cement Ali's feelings against Jee. It would have been golden for an editor to show what was going on in the house. But BB never showed it - why? It happened Tuesday night - too late to edit it in.

Another instance was the Alison/Dave make out session. There was nothing about it in the Wednesday show when Dave was booted - I don't even think it was in the Friday show after that. However, since it involved sex - BB managed to edit it in a week or two later when they did an 'Ali is a tramp' montage.

They did manage to show Dave & Amanda's HOH romp on a Tuesday night. It wasn't edited very well, kind of tacked on awdwardly. But with something that big - they were willing to go with bad editing.

Boberg

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryn.."Boberg-Justin has deceived others-or rather did-a few times" etc..Ryn I was really asking for an example or two of Justin tellin a lie as I remember Justin being pretty up front with people and appreciated those like Jack who were up front and straight with him.
Monalisahi says..Justin did not trust jee in the cage competition..but Justin said he had no bad feeling against Jee..that Jee knew he was safe after 10 min. in the cage yet stuck it out for almost 6hrs...I just found Justin's words quite honorable and found little fault in his game playing.
If I remember incorrectly please state specific examples not generalized statements and I will be happy to be corrected.
Monalisahi also states "The other thing that cracked me up with Justin was the way he went on about Nathan being a baby over being nominated and that he would never act like that...LOL"
Monalisahi when did Justin act like a baby after he was nominated?

Truly no anger here..we are just people who saw things completly differently while evidently watching the same thing and I am looking for examples of things that caused us to form such different opinions. Thanks...this is a great place and I truly enjoy everyones post and input...makes me go HMMM!

Monalisahi

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 11:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Boberg, oh, I didn't think you were angry. I know 2 people can view the exact same thing and have an entirely different perception of it.

As for Justin not "taking it like a man" as he said he would, I guess that wasn't AFTER nominations. I think it was after Erika won HOH but before noms. When he went off to bed and played the loner bit. If I recall correctly, and it's entirely possible I don't, he was pouting until Jee spoke to him of a possibility of him staying.

Justin did lie to Dana when he told her there was no agreement between Ali and himself.

I thought it was clear that Justin didn't entirely trust Jee in the cage competition. Justin went out because he knew there was going to be pressure put on Jee. If he trusted him, there was no need for him to go out and keep an eye on things. He wasn't out there being supportive. He was out there pretending to be asleep....but he was listening.

I'm really not faulting him for being dishonest, I truly don't think this game can be won without some level of dishonesty. What got me was his claims of being so honest, while he wasn't. It's a hypocrisy thing.

Boberg

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Monalisahi..thanks for responding..thats true Justin did tell Dana he had no alliance with Ali when in truth he did..thanks for reminding me, I guess in the schem of things I have forgotten some lies told by those who told only a few (like Justin) when I have listened to Ali and Rob and Jun tell one lie after the other..actually I'm impressed with how well they keep up with what they have told whom..LOL
Re: Justin playing the loner..we just saw that differently as secluding myself when I have been strongly affected by something till I work it out within myself and am able to respond appropriately is also a habit of mine.
Re: cage comp...I still feel I have no proof Justin did not trust Jee..but I can't read Justin's mind and Justin's words did not lead me to believe that either..so we will just agree to disagree although I can see your reasons for thinking that..Thanks for the exchange and enlightenment.

Gina8642

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 12:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Justin told Julie that he thought his agreement with Ali was over - until Ali renewed it by promising not nominate him. It possible he tole Dana he had no agreement with Ali during a timeperiod he believed that.

While Justin wasn't perfect - he was mostly honest - especially if point blank asked a question (Often, I felt, to his detriment). IMO - he wasn't very good at this game, nor did he want to be.

Monalisahi

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Boberg, agreed. I'm surprised they haven't called each other out on some of the lies.

I didn't mean to imply that Justin was anywhere near Jun/Robert or especially Ali.

Actually, I don't think any of the hg's should talk about morals, integrity or ethics. This game can't be won without deception. When they take this supposed high road route, they are just setting themselves up to be hypocrites.

Monalisahi

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina...LOL.....I think all hg's (except for Ali) were "MOSTLY honest."

Monalisahi

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryn...did you edit my post above??? I know you watched some of their marathon strategy sessions, how would you have phrased the point I was trying to make? LOL

Sillybeth

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 02:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina...LOL.....I think all hg's (except for Ali) were "MOSTLY honest."

Mona -- how about Robert and him knowing Barry Drewmore?

Ryn

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 03:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hmm Mona? nope - I hadn't looked back here since I last posted..... but if you said something that crossed a line in another mod's eyes - its possible - anyways - its all good.


One specific instance I recall about Justin - was how Justin did speak badly of Ali with the Jee3 - and then told Ali he never said anythign bad about her to them. While he was reserved in what he said - he did say some stuff that put her in a bad light.

Actually I thought Justin was a darn good player.

But - one instance that made me unhappy with him happened long ago - when they 1st played ping-pong. And it was not "dis-honesty" persay I guess - but to me it shed a not-so-nice light on Justin.

Justin and Jee, for some silly reason - were hurling a Ping Pong ball at each other as hard as they could. Jee would face away and Justin would run up very close (without Jee knowing) and throw it at his back - then Jee would do the same, except Jee would not run up. So Jee was missing or barely hitting Justin - while Justin was hitting Jee every time at close range. Justin obvioulsy knew he was being unfair to Jee but he kept doing it. Now while I blame this as much on Jee for not catching it - to me it was just a "bully" type of thing for Justin to do - he was "cheating" in their little game - and he and Dana just laughed about it.

Monalisahi

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sillybeth, I'm sure that was a lie. I said "I think all hg's (except for Ali) were mostly honest".....meaning they were honest more than 50% of their time in the house.

Monalisahi

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Ryn, just thought it was you since you were here right after the post. I wasn't being accusing, more along the lines of making a "funny."

Anyway, I just couldn't think of another way to phrase it. Those boys just went round and round and round and round......they gave me a headache just trying to follow....LOL.

Spunky

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 09:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I knew I should have posted here, but here it is:

You know there wasn't much to see on tv tonight and I rewinded up to the point when Jun wins HOH and see her in NY, etc. I like to fast forward to the critical dialogues and DR entries and also some of the funnies, like the imitation of evicted hgs.
I must admit that if we only watch the show we wouldn't feel so outraged at these hamsters's nastiness. I think it's the Live Feeds that make us shake our heads and wonder why we keep watching and reading the sh.it that goes on in that house.
The tv show is quite entertaning and the nastiness edited in a way to create more intrigue but does not anger the viewers, but when I read the Feeds I just can't stomach what I read.