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TV ClubHouse: Archive: The History of Jun's Negativity: Archive through September 25, 2003

Vskatefan

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't recall everything so I thought I would ask(this can be moved to short questions, but since it might spark a discussion, I thought I would post it this way first)..

As folks recall, was Jun always bashing other HGs or did the bashing increase over time? I wonder if being around Ali so much toward the end made her more hateful than she otherwise might have been.

Monalisahi

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
skate, here's what I noticed and my opinion of it

I think Jun went in expecting to be the hottest girl there. When she wasn't, she started in, almost immediately on the other females. Nitpicking. I do think it got worse as the time went on.

But I don't blame Jun's behavior on Ali. That's all on Jun.

Seanflynn2003

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Among the strange theories I have heard, saying the Jun thought she would be the hottest woman in the house is a champion. Congrats.

Monalisahi

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
thanks Sean....LOL.

But that was my take on the night they went into the house. Just based on things she said and did.

(did you notice I said "my opinion")

Cricket

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I tend to agree with Monalisahi. I think when she realized she wasn't the only powerful female in the house, her insecurites may have taken over and her way of handling them was to make jokes about the others. Her jokes happened to be put-downs on the other houseguests.

Spear

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun herself said (in response to Erika's question) that she sees humor in making personal attacks. She made no apologies because she fully expected to see the others doing the same thing when she viewed the tapes. She seems to justify her attacks as preemptive strikes ("I'd better get my digs in"). If true, it's kind of a sad attitude to have.

Ddr1135

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 03:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Spear, she's attempting to justify her behavior and offering no apology to anyone. I do think she and Ali fed off of each other. Hearing Jun and Ali on the feeds yesterday afternoon going on and on about what they would tell the evicted HG's was painstaking. In the end, I think these two are the "losers".

Monalisahi

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Most of the attacks at Jee were funny and you could tell it was joking. Is Jun only considering what she said to people's faces? It was the stuff said behind their back that they were upset about.

I just don't understand how she said it was joking.

Earthmother

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She personally attacked just about everyone in the DR. They of course didn't have access to the last week of sniping. She still displayed negativity at the question and answer session with the jury. Her answers actually turned me off to her and for the first time I wished Ali had won.

Rupertbear

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Mona also,Sean. WE obviously have a different opinion as to how Jun looks but if you remember back, comments she made like 'he's trying to see up my dress' etc, did lead me to believe she definitely thought she was 'all that'. She had lost weight and expected the males in the house to find her as attractive, as she did herself ;)

Recall when Nathan came into the bedroon & she asked him if he wanted to 'bunk' with her. He said he'd wait to see who else came into the house first...and there began the slide of her ego & the increase in her barbed tongue.

Gina8642

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Jun was 'the hottest girl', you all think she would have been nice? I disagree. I hate to say it, but I just think this is the sort of person Jun would have been anyway. I think she puts every down all the time. I think she truly believed everyone else was the same way. While I think everyone bashes other people sometimes, I think she's is the champion basher of BB4, above even Alison. (Alison was the champion liar amongst other bad habits)

I started watching the LFs more than two weeks after the show started, so I don't know how she was in the beginning. But, from when I started to watch until the end she really, really ripped on people (no increase noticed, although her attacks on HGs in the house increased, but I think that's is just because there were fewer targets). While she rarely lied, she always came to the worst possibly conclusion to explain something or twisted the benign truth until it came out as a negative. It wasn't aimed solely at women, although I saw A TON of jelousy aimed at Erika. I think she despised Erika becuase she was thin and had no problem staying that way. This is typical (talking about food and other person's eating habits) of some people who have eating disorders/hang-ups/problems which she certainly does. But she did it with a much crueler edge.

Chippy

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree. She was also a pot stirrer. She went around the house encouraging negatives and planting little seeds about different hgs. She was right in thinking they'd get plenty of water and MANURE and therefore thrive. She was very sneaky about it and very careful to protect her alliance with Jee, never staying around him too long and faking fights with him to show the others how much she hated him.

I'd still give Ali the Emmy for the lie/deceipt category. There, she outdid Jun in a big way- and all the others as well.

Earthmother

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Putting people down is a way a person with no self-esteem behaves. She ate constantly even though she put Erika down for not eating. She made claims about a disorder when overeating or stress eating is also a disorder. For everything Jun didn't have in the looks department she took pleasure in by making negative comments about those who did have it. That is just jealously rearing it's ugly head and someone who has to put others down so they can feel good about themselves.

Denecee

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun sort of apoligized, IMO. I think she was jealous of Erika. Jealous that she(Jun) could not starve herself like Erika seemed to be able to do.

Maris

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the history of her negativity is probably rooted in childhood when she was the heavy kid in the class and teased. She decided to do the Margaret Cho routine as a defense and started by ridiculing her parents and their traditional values and more than likely ridiculed the pretty girls in school.

She put physical attributes at the top of her list in passing judgement on people and assumed that because she had lost all the weight she was now better than anybody else. I think the only thing that will embarrass her from her performance on BB is how she was portrayed as being a piggy eater. It really was disgusting to watch her compulsively eat.

Dke1212

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun said things, some mean, mostly funny in my opinion. On the mean scale i don't think she was any worse then most of them. They all said things, and to sit there last night and act like Jun and Alison were the only ones was hypocritical.

I'm glad Jun won, I liked her from about the third show, I did get a little mad at her for kicking Jee out, but I know she was there to win, like all of them.

Monalisahi

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, Jun (and Ali for that matter) struck me as being the type to build themselves up by putting others down. Jun would say things like.....Michelle has a pretty face, but doesn't have a great body, she's not an entire package (like Jun is).

And the comments about Erika's "eating disorder?" Nothing but jealousy. Erika eats more than I do. Erika said she had great metabolism. Wasn't Erika 5'7" and weighed 117 lbs? At the end of the PB week, she had lost weight, she didn't like PB!!! And at the end of the week, she didn't eat much....DUH....she hadn't eaten much all week, doesn't take much to fill you up then (your stomach shrinks). Appeared to me that Erika had put her weight back on, looked like she ate at the sequester house. Jun was basically saying....there's nothing wrong with me for constantly stuffing my face with food....Erika is the one with a problem....and if it seems like I have a problem, it's just from the stress.

Monalisahi

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dke, I think the Elena remarks separated them from the rest.....or it did in my book.

Kalekona

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jun started out catty and do think the longer she was around Ali the worse she got.
I do see alot of her comments coming from past insecurity but the example about Michelle wasn't entirly right.. She went on to say she was the "squishy" type of woman, not a hard body. I saw that as humor.
I did see a lot of Juns comments as humor, until we got closer to the end where like ali she really began to AIM comments and become nasty in a more personel way.
Ali's insults were like a weapon, she shot to kill.
Jun started out as the "comic" (like will) but allowed it to get personel toward the end.
She also didn't hide her comments unlike Ali.
So even their nasty comments went the same way their game play did.. Jun was out in the open and Ali behind your back.

Sweetpea1994

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
IMO calling a child a ***** is not funny or comical in any way, neither is referring to someone as a f**.

Kalekona

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree 100% sweetpea.. and like i said in the end she allowed it to get personel. I don't believe she came into the game to be vile but along with ali that's what happened.

I lost a lot of respect for Jun the week before Robert was evicted. (And still wish he had walked in the house and slapped them both.. But he took the high road and just didn't talk to them.)

And Ali's comments about Elena started long before juns did.. that's why Robert knew things had been said. Ali said them in the DR.

Dke1212

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Alison said the stuff about Roberts daughter, that's what I read anyway. Yes that is low on the scale. I'm still glad Jun won, and as far as the big picture goes she was no worse than others. Erikas remarks about Jee were quite bad too, in my opinion.

Earthmother

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I will never, never, ever blame anyone else for the behavior of an intelligent adult who has to know better. I will admit I did not nor will I ever find Allison a nice person, but I will not blame her for Jun's behavior. Jun did not learn how to behave nasty in just a few weeks, I think she has had plenty of practice over the years, she was far too good at it. jun made remarks about the child as well..

Sweetpea1994

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali and Jun both made comments about Robert's daughter. And yes Erika's comments were as bad, but they were broadcast for everyone to see. Ali and Jun's weren't. If you would like to hear the 28 minute rant, you can go to Morty's TV and listen to the "Spread a little Sunshine" clip.

Kalekona

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 10:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother- I am not blaming Ali for juns behavior at all. I said she started out one way and it esculated. As far as Ali goes i think that negativity breeds negativity and they fed off each other by the end.
Ali did start out much nasty than jun though.