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Mizinvanccouver

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would say she played the game well IF she didn't make those comments.

Charvie

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes I will have to admit here, I do not think her behavior in the house deserves to be rewarded in a monetary way. There are a few things I could come up with that I feel would be a more fitting reward for such blatant display of extremly horrific behavior.

Caycaye

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am never entertained by bad people. Of course, we are seeing the REAL Ali. She is a totally despicable person. Also, she is a formidable narcisist. She has NO IDEA that people actually would not LIKE her...she WILL be shocked to see how many people disapprove of her, much less to learn of the depth of hatred many feel toward her. No matter how many of you say that Ali will LOVE this thread and others like it...regardless of whether the talk is positive or negative...I DISAGREE...haven't you ever noticed how SHOCKED and upset she gets when anyone remotely suggests that Ali is not liked? She becomes almost frantic trying to find out what she could have possibly done to make anyone not LIKE her...She was shocked to hear that Jack did not like her...she was SHOCKED to hear from Jee that Nathan was not only mad at her for playing him, but didn't like or admire her at all. She absolutely will NOT put any credence into the fact that Justin REALLY dislikes her. She is a TOTALLY self-absorbed child...But when she reads some of the websites I have seen dedicated to her, and reads THIS debate thread...she will HAVE to face herself for what she is and what she has shown us. Maybe she STILL will have no remorse...if not...God forgive her.

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But her comments, as AWFUL as they were, have nothing to do with how she played the game. Here's how you tell if someone played the game well: do you see them on the LFs right now?

That's how you know.

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What then is the goal of this game? Someone gets a half mil in the end ................. WHY do they get it? I mean if it's all about being nice ........... SOMEBODY owes Bunky a WHOLE LOTTA money! :)

Caycaye

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
DITTO
CHARVIE
DITTO!!!

Couldn't have said it better myself....But somehow I feel Ali's backers find it really HARD to hold Ali's Cuban racism against her than "cancer patient thin" Erika's Korean slur...cause, after all...it is ONLY ALI...and she is YOUNG!!!!(I would KILL my teenage daughter if she spouted anything like Ali has all season...much less tonight)

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Also, she is a formidable narcisist. She has NO IDEA that people actually would not LIKE her...she WILL be shocked to see how many people disapprove of her,"

But speaking as a fellow narcisist, I can tell you that even when people DON'T like you, it still brings you pleasure. Just trust me on this one.

Mkcantjump

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Once again, I would just hate for anyone to be moded again... So before you trash Ali any futher, please read mods statement at the top of the page.

Caycaye

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa and Danielle and Jason played WELL last year and NONE of them were despicable like Ali. They DESERVED to win...and in my opinion...ALi does NOT and did NOT play the game better...just meaner.

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure if I'm an Ali backer or not (are we sending her money? :) ) but I don't justify her comments, they were awful. I just don't think they have anything to do with the game, how she played it and whether or not she deserves to win.

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Danielle wasn't despicable to anyone's FACE. Caycaye, if meaner gets you to the end, then it IS better. :)

Nexell2

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle was as bad as it gets.

Pixieduster

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've been bothered by lots of things "Ali" - but her apparent projection on other houseguests doesn't seem to be related to gameplay or strategy. An example, once Robert won HOH and Erica went in to see him, there was a shot of Ali and Jun with Ali saying something to the effect, "I bet she's going d*&n on him right now." Of course, that wasn't happening, but we all saw Ali's groping Justin under the covers, the hot wax/hot tub incident, kissing Nathan and David, etc. I know there are Ali fans who say she's playing the good game. I'll give her kudos for being competitive, but I can't agree with her gamesmanship or "sportsperson-like" conduct.

Caycaye

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
THANK YOU Pixie....

Smarty

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I never liked Ali or Jun either from the beginning. It was precisely because they were such hateful, self-centered, conceited girls. I can't believe the two floaters have taken this game to the end. If they are final two, how do you think the jury will vote?

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, she's being a poor sport, but I can compartmentalize her game play from her, sometimes, childish behaviour.

And I'm still waiting on the answer to my question .............. what's the object of this game? To be nice and gain new friends? To make it to the end? Which one is it?

I mean 'cause if it's the first one, we need to go ahead and give Dave his half-mil now. See .......... he IS the BB4 winner after all! :)

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison can win half a million and people can also despise the way she gets it. The object of the game is to win. Alison's method is wrong to many of us. In this thread, we are attempting to evaluate Alison's strategy for winning. Many feel that her behavior is so repulsive that her efforts shouldn't be rewarded with a hefty paycheck. For me, the day she brought Donnie's family into the discussion was the final straw. It crossed the line and brought any strategy she was using into question. It was a mean and selfish ploy.

Smarty

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hate to see Ali rewarded for being such a hateful bi^@h. Outwitting or fooling all the others to make it to the end is the object of the game, yes. But you're right, there is no reason to pronounce that you "hate" every person that is mentioned. The really nasty things she has said behind people's backs is not "playing the game." It is just being nasty. Evidently that is the real Ali. She is a nasty person, a liar, and appears to have no morals or ethics whatsoever. I really hate to see her in the final two, but too late now. It's all Nathan's fault.

Bondmaiden

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Clio, how smart of you to compartmentalize Ali's game play. I also agree with you on Dave, sigh. Was it you who posted that great Dave picture earlier this month? Can you post it again?

Mkcantjump

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Will the moderators please clean this thread up again? Thanks.

Smarty

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why does everyone like Dave so much? Just because he was in the service? He was a goofy person who made fun of Michelle in a hateful way. And he sure acted quickly in getting Amanda to have sex with him, when he barely knew her. Then he made out with Ali "just in case". I haven't missed him at all.

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For me it is sort of a be careful what you wish for thing- I got so sick of the honorable game stuff from last year (I encourage you all to read Only's thread comparing the different years) that Ii longed for a player who had no compunction about lying, manipulating, backstabbing...anything just to get to the big prize-well, lo and behold I got it in Ali and I realise that is not what I want in a winner at all. For me personally she went too far and I agree with Wood that you can despise the way someone wins.

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm ......... what pic was that Bondmaiden? I don't think so, but depends on what the photo was.

Smarty, we like Dave because he's hot. What other reason do you need? :)

Pixieduster

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Clio - My answer is that the object of the game is to be the winner and take home the $500K.

I just have an opinion on the "how" of winning and believe the object would also include coming out of the game with some level of integrity in place. I think there is a way to win by being competitive and smart but still coming out so that people don't think everything out of my mouth is a lie, that I'll trash them as soon as they walk away, etc. Ali will still need to get a job and support herself even if she wins the $500K. I have to wonder if she's going to lose opportunities she could have had if she hadn't been so venemous during all those moments when it just wasn't necessary. But I can see a future for her in soap operas and melodramas - of course they'd have to be carefully scripted to keep the curse words from flying :)

But I have to agree about Dave being the ultimate winner - I'm still mourning his eviction.

Mkcantjump

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I loved Only's thread. Yes, everyone should read it. It really puts the whole BB game into perspective, not just this year.