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Spunky

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 04:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Amari, she lied to Jee till the last minute...

Auntiemike

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see anything to respect in "lioness'" Ali's behavior! She is venemous (isn't that snakelike???) and outright mean. I would use the word snarky for her more than for Jun. I think Jun has been very careful but shown great intelligence in playing the game. I know she has made some people mad but I can't help but admire her more because of her tactics. She has been clear from the beginning that she was out to win this game. What is wrong with that? I hope she does. I see Ali as anything but a lioness.

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 04:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know - thinking about last year shows me my own convoluted double standard- last year I was upset because the voters let their hurt feelings over game play sway them from objectively looking at the masterful game play of Dani and this year I WANT the voters to allow their hurt feelings to dicatate their vote against Ali because I don't like how far she went. I admit it- double standard, unreasonable, etc.... I am guilty as charged.

Amari

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 04:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't remember her telling Jee she was going to keep him. Did she?

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 04:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun and Jee had said all along that at final five it was each for themselves. I did not get any feeling from Jee that he felt betrayed by Jun. They helped each other to a point but there were no final 2 promises.

Jun has in fact,IMO, been very careful not to promise anyone anything she could not give. That is why I know she will take Ali if she wins HOH. Ali is less a sure thing as she has re peatedly promised and lied although you can often tell by the differences in her demeanor what her true intention is and I think she would take Jun.

Nexell2

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 04:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just my opinion but I see no comparison between Dani and Ali. There was no humor or anything for me to like with Dani. I honestly like Ali. She makes me laugh.

Spunky

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 04:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No Amari, she didn't have to say that because Ali and Erika were voting him out. She lied to him as to their alliance, she made him believe their alliance was still intact when in fact it was over for her but not for Jee yet. It was useless to led him to believe it, she should have just told him "The girls will vote you out". It would have been an honest move and Jee would have respected her more for it.

Well, maybe that was not an "outright" lie.. .but that's Jun, she has 'other" ways...

Missy2

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 06:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay so I missed part two of the comp...how do you all know that Robert lost? Not that I'm not PLEASED by this - I'd love to see Ali and Jun in the final two with either winning. I hope that NO one brings Robert with them.

Spunky

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
John congratulated Jun on winning Round 2. Jun told Robert and Ali.
Robert is sucking up to Jun and asking her to take him. He believes Jun can beat Ali...

Earthmother

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Do we know exactly what the jury gets to see? Is it just competitions or do they get to see everything on the show except DRs.? That makes all the difference in the world as to whether they vote emotionally..but can they stop the evicted from turning heads by telling them what has been said? As you said CMag, Marcellus did a lot of damage and I think Dana, perhaps Erika and whoever gets kicked out this week could too after all they are sequestered together...

Watching2

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 06:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just had a thought after reading everyones' take in these posts. Do you think the jury will be less bitter because they've had a paradise vacation unlike last years houseguests (with the exception of Amy & Cheryl)? I know when I've had time to go and chill out, especially if I were in a setting they are in, I'd stop being angry, etc. and just might look at things more objectively. Thoughts? :)

Spunky

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 06:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No DR... only what they know from the most recent evicted... Erika and Robert (if he has time to join them).

Bracken

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jack will not vote for Alison. He has three daughters and I think he finds her deplorable, regardless of what Erika thinks. We have to remember that Dana will be shooting her mouth off about Alison, too. While she is probably not all that well respected by the other jury members, she will be sure to remind them of Alison's manipulation and disparaging remarks.

I think Robert would take it over either of the women (and I'm not happy about this comment, but believe it nevertheless) but Jun will win over Alison. While this cast will most probably be voting based on emotion, I think it will be rather obvious to most of them that Alison derives a great deal of satisfaction from being cruel and manipulative. Jun's manipulation and lies seem to be something she found necessary in order to play the game. I think the jury will see this difference and give Jun the win.

Thank you Gina for posting the information about the last part of the BB3 HOH contest, I could not remember it at all. I agree that if the content is the same, Jun will have an advantage.

K9lover1

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What I think would be hysterical is if Jun throws the final HOH to Ali and then Ali takes Robert to the final. Why would she do this?? Because she is worried about who will sway the jury. She has repeatedly brought this up that "so and so" won't vote for me, "2 votes left in the house" , etc. etc. She now knows that Rob would try to sway the jury, but I would bet money she doesn't believe Jun capable of the same thing.

Ohbrother

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 12:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
K9, My fingers and toes are crossed hoping Jun throws HOH to Ali and Ali takes Robert. Now that would be fun to watch and makes me laugh just thinking about it. Would that be called the "TWIST" or "EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED"?

Sunshyne4u

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother, If I recall correctly, the sequestered HGs get to see TAPES of the competitions, HOH comps but none of the other stuff we get to see on TV.

Remember the last TV show when Jee showed up. One of the first things they asked him was "where's the Tape?". I would LOVE to know what kind of conversations/ interactions are going on at the Sequester house. It would be a WHOLE TV SHOW just to cover the discussions that they must be having!!

Meggieprice

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It seems as if Ali has Jun convinced to throw HOH. This seems like a mistake to me- not because obviously Ali might betray her, but because I think she needs to be seen as someone who can win the big competitions. It is hard for me to believe Jun would do this because she has been so smart in play up to now.
I also think they should tell him asap he is leaving and put it behind them.

Gidget

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Could be a smart ploy on Jun's part. Get Ali to let her game guard down. Meanwhile, Jun gears her mind up to win. Go Jun!

Spunky

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's another move so Jun!! Let the others do her dirty work.
When Jee was evicted, I was hoping Erika would vote for Robert so to expose Jun with the tiebreaker, to show that it was Jun who wanted Jee out.
So, let Ali kick Robert out and Robert would give his vote to Jun. I think that's the missing vote Ali needs.

Cricket

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you K9lover. Ali might also think she could win against Robert and not Jun. She won't win though and that person called Robert, who has really done nothing in this game, will win it all.

Crazydog

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 11:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun would be stupid to throw the HoH competition. NEVER trust Alison. Haven't these people figured that out yet? I don't think Jun trusts Alison - didn't she say something like that in the DR?

Whit4you

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I haven't read this whole thread but Jun should have no problem beating Ali... Ali isn't stupid she knows if she's the one to get rid of Rob she loses at least one jury vote if not more. She'll definately want Jun to be the one to evict the final dream team member. All she's said this week is just to ensure that Jun will get rid of Robert and keep her.

Zelindar

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun already told Ali (again) today that Ali can have HOH. Ali keeps talking about how she wants to embarass Robert on live TV with what she will to say to him when she evicts him.

Sunshyne4u

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 11:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont believe Ali at this point. Jun is starting to wonder as well. Over and over Ali has said she wants to let Rob know that he hasnt got a chance...or at least 99% is gone. Ali has said this so many times that Jun is like " well, lets go tell him NOW!" and then Ali backs out with a "well, when I win HOH I'll have a nasty exit speech all ready for him".

Ali had asked Jun if she could "practice" on her. This leads me to believe Ali is preparing a double cross if Jun is foolish enough to throw HOH. This is significant as Ali runs to Rob to let him know of each and every conversation yet DOESNT come clean to Jun.

This could be a set up but Ali may feel she is doing the honorable thing by bringing another member of HER Dreamteam to the finals. Just think of her final Pitch to the Sequestered HGs for votes. I brought three out of the five dreamteam right to the final three with me!!

Justin will probably vote for ALI.

Bondmaiden

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 11:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Excellant thoughts Sun. I was thinking along those lines earlier today. Ali is no-one's fool. I'll bet she wins HoH and takes Robert to the finals. But if Jun goes to Seq house and is able to tell everyone about Ali's Elena comments(of course not her own) then it would not be smart to keep Robert. The evicted have no way of knowing about Rob's little girl unless someone tells them before they vote. That would be Jun and she will not admit her part in it.