Archive through September 09, 2003
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Archive through September 09, 2003
Chance | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 08:32 pm     Wow after watching the 1st of 5 enstallments on Bravo re reality TV, I now think soooooooooooooooo much is fixed, manipulated, etc etc on these shows. And I really think that Ali was "destined" to win this veto ...cough cough |
Cinder | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 08:34 pm     I missed the beginning. What was rigged about HS reunion- besides redoing takes. Was it that they were from different years? |
Boberg | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 08:43 pm     I watched the whole show and found it very interesting but not surprising since I have always watched the live feeds of BB and know how they redo shots and events to have the contestants react certain ways. Don't think those of us who watch the live feeds will be very surprised about what we see on the Bravo show because we already know they manipulate things..maybe not the ultimate outcome but definitely reactions and drama. Whoever it is (I forget) that monitors these reality shows, especially the ones with money rewards, is evidently very lenient towards the shows because that show, Manhunter, that reshot the whole show in that park certainly appeared to have interfered and manipulated the outcome. |
Chance | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 08:44 pm     yep Cinder, from 3 seperate years, not just 2. I missed some of the show, like the Will part. I will rewatch it on Sat when they rerun the whole series. |
Cinder | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 08:48 pm     THANK you for telling me it is coming on again. WOW 3 years. That show (HS reunion) was STUPID and I am upset I wasted time watching it. Interesting that Survivor 1's "gag order" has expired. Wonder if anyone else will spill any beans. |
Chance | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 08:51 pm     Yes I read on this board somewhere, that Bravo will rerun the 5 shows in a row starting Sat at 1 PM EDT.(don't know about other time zones) |
Gina8642 | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 09:14 pm     Each show is also being re-ran in the middle of the night once or twice right after its original broadcast. I just looked mine up on TiVo and picked those to record. If you don't have TiVo, go to the TV Guide's website - from there you can find the middle of the night times. |
Wendo | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 09:17 pm     Yep, it is being re-run in the middle of the night. In fact, that's when I'm TiVo-ing it since I TiVo other things during the prime time hours. And, as you all have noted, it will be run all together Sat. I like when tv networks do this; give you more than just one time to watch something. |
Fabnsab | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 09:51 pm     I was most shocked by that Manhunt show. He grabbed her by her shirt to get her from helping her teammate. Now that is blatant! I told my husband that BB is reality tv in its most unadulterated state. Yes, they edit alot but we also get the chance to see it unedited. Thats how we know what they do. Other than FOTH and some leading questions in the DR, you can't beat BB for actual reality. |
Meggieprice | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:04 pm     I hope you are right Fabnsab but I started wondering---I pictured it- the meeting where they create the Robert character, the Erika character..all of them...map out who will leave when, and have daily meetings during foth to map it all out and hand out the next script lol! Paranoia strikes deep...into your life it will creep.... |
Crossfire | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:29 pm     They certainly have 'roles' in mind for the people. That was one of the reasons that brandon fellow split early. He supposedly had reservations with respect to the womanizer role. I don't think they create the roles out of whole cloth though, I think in large part, it has a lot to do with what you bring to the table. they just give it a name, and run with it. |
Eeyoreslament | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:31 pm     What about Bravo in Canada? Was the show on here? I want to watch it! :-( |
Sunshyne4u | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:39 pm     I just checked the TV guide and it wasnt on our Canadian Bravo this evening. I remember seeing it advertised once though on tv though......darn, I cant remember when and where. |
Woodpecke® | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:42 pm     Where is Canada? Somewhere in Montana? (Just kidding).  |
Crossfire | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:45 pm     I checked, no go in Canada here. Bummer. That was the first I learned that Bravo is different depending on where you are. |
Tabbyking | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:48 pm     i have always pretty much thought they were rigged, especially BB with it's casting after the first BB; if i heard one more word about agents or bellys or connections, i thought i would gag...i guess the reality is: "even reality isn't real". they should call their rules: "truth-in-bending" and the funny thing is, even with 'handpicked' contestants, BB is totally boring this year. i can't believe they added 2 weeks to its running. once survivor starts, my feeling is people won't even care to finish watching BB. this year just fizzled! IMO |
Sunrvrose | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:39 pm     It really convinced me that I was right in deciding not to watch some programs, ie, I never saw manhunt, Reunion or Boot Camp. But I will still be a fan of BB, Survivor and AR. That the background music from cops was even included made me feel sick. To me, ppl who watch Gottcha shows like COPS and Jerry are just the same; People who thrive on the misfortunes and ignorance of others. Who on God's green earth, who has any concience at all, would derive enjoyment from the humiliation of others, no matter what they have done. The Bravo series won't spoil anything for me. Most of the shows they expose aren't ones I'd watch anyway |
Sunrvrose | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:44 pm     Oh, and my bags are packed and ready to move to "Other Reality Shows," which is where this sould be. |
What555456 | Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 12:15 am     I watched the first installment. Fascinating and a must-see for anyone who watches reality shows. It did not suprise me. It just confirmed what I have assumed all along -- and what I think we all know. The shows are far more scripted and planned than we think they are. One has to wonder about BB -- especially after the segment of how they manipulate the emotions of the cast members through questions and other means. We have long suspected they do this in the DR -- but I think this is the first time we have seen it actually confirmed and how blatant and planned it is. It also raises serious questions about Dani's loss last year. How much of her DR sessions was she led into and what did they decide to actually show the evicted HG's compared to what they could have shown them? Dani was made to appear very cruel -- indeed, almost nothing else but cruel. I now wonder if this is really how she naturally acted -- or if they coaxed her into it and the cut and spliced only small portions of what she really said in the DR to create the character they wanted to create. The simple fact they cut and choose what they want from the DR while they are using the DR to maniupklate the minds of the HG's tells me this show really is rigged. They create suspicion as well as trust as they want. And then they show only these clips they want to show which may likely be the ones they, themselves, have manipulated. |
R151996 | Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 12:20 am     BB may have less manipulation than shows recorded months in advance, but there no question is still some manipulation. But as was pointed out on the Bravo show, since Big Brother is not in a remote location it is easier for "Standards and Practices" to monitor competitions for legitimacy. The apparent technical glitch in the diamond veto competition Friday night would have only been a problem if the outcome was directly affected. Jun seemed satisified that Ali was the legitimate winner. Another point to consider is that if international BB shows (UK a main example) can run live tasks/competitions without the need for multiple takes and "do-overs", then US producers could clearly do so as well. US BB contestants are absolutely over-directed--both inside and outside the Diary Room. |
Fan3 | Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 04:59 am     When we talk of fixed don't forget this week HOH if all they said on Bravo is true they (producers) would know that Erica would try to get it to the exact hour where Rob would only guess, I am willing to bet math wwas one of the areas they tested you on in the interview process, There was one other comp that required math something about all the weight of the hg???? just my 2 cents worth. What you want to bet we want see the "techincall" problems they had with pov tonight....... |
Prisonerno6 | Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 05:47 am     "It also raises serious questions about Dani's loss last year. How much of her DR sessions was she led into and what did they decide to actually show the evicted HG's compared to what they could have shown them?" Based on her behavior outside of the diary room, I'd say it didn't take much leading to get her to say what she did in the room. I'll give you the editing question, because we know they skew the edits based on the live feeds. But Dani exhibited the same juvenile behavior outside the diary room (mimicing Amy, for example, or calling Roddy the Devil), so you can't blame her loss completely on any diary room shenanigans. |
Demsome | Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 06:01 am     Of course any reality show is edited and edited to draw viewers. Anyone who thought every reaction from the houseguest was true was fooling themselves. I think most people know this IS entertainment and that there is no way everything is acuratly portrayed. As far as being rigged for one contestant to win I doubt that. I think the producers wouldn't take that risk. Otherwise why is it the boring ones left and the interesting ones gone??? |
Gidget | Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 06:07 am     I have only seen those cop shows a few times when I was up in the wee hours of the morning and DH had not turned off the TV before falling asleep. I never thought of them as a reality show. I didn't think of Fear Factor that way either. To me Fear Factor was just an over the top game show. Which grew boring very quickly. Like Sunrvrose, I only watch Survivor, BB and I started TAR mid-season last year. Fortunately, one or more of these shows seem to be running all year now. So I can get my fix. It's funny, I purposely avoid shows like ER, that have continuing story lines, because I didn't want TV dictating my life. Then reality came along! I'm not particularly surprised by anything I saw on Bravo last night. There is good and bad in everything. If AS ever thought about eliminating the live feeds, I hope this expose on reality will let him realize that the fans do have a tolerance for some manipulation and by allowing the live feeds, the fans can also embrace the honesty of BB. I wish we had more from Survivor. I heard last year about some sort of outtakes people could subscribe to. That is a good start. Finally, I though Jerry Manthey looked great. And Alison Grodner... if I was her, I would stay behind the camera. |
Kaili | Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 06:44 am     Big Brother tells the HGs too much in the DR. They don't even have to overhear eachother, Big Brother dos it for them. Take one clear example- we see Jun giving Robert a massage. He tells the Diary Room that he thinks she was turned on by it. What are the chances that Jun just happened to say that she was not turned on by it (in the Diary Room)? Chances are (my opinion based on how she said it), they said something to her about how Robert thought she was turned on in order to get that comment from her. There have been plenty of times where I think the DR (and even Julie on the live shows) gives them hints about what the others are planning. I wish I had Bravo- I would have liked to see this show. |
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