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Wendo

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kalekona said, "Whatever wendo i really don't understand why you feel the need to argue with me about everything today."

I'm not arguing, I'm debating and clarifying my opinion. This is a debate thread, hence, debate.

"Robert was a jerk in the past but he wasn't visicious and mean, he was incesitive and crude and he didn't mount an all out attack on one person and delight in it. These two are getting their kicks from this and that is sick."

I disagree, I think he has been viscious and mean. He seemed to delight in calling Erika a b**ch in a diary room entry.

Additionally, in no way am I saying, or have I ever said, that Rob's behavior cancels out Jun and Ali's; or vice versa.


Kalekona also said, "Wendo- you believe that ali and jun are both smart don't you? Then when Robert told them what Julie had said to him don't you think they thought about what things they might have said? I never said they had been forced to look at their behavior but once the subject came up anyone with any morals at all would have been thinking "have i said something like that" But then i don't think these two have any morals. <snip>"

I think both Jun and Ali are smart; as well as Robert. However, why would Jun and Ali even consider their behavior when the conversation was Rob's behavior? And, conversely, if Rob had morals then perhaps he would've questioned his own behavior sooner than two and half months in to his time in the house AND before Julie asked him about it.

If Jun and Ali are confronted about their behavior I think they, like Rob, will have an opportunity to realize what they've said and feel regret about it.

Triplexxx

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kalekona,Isabel`s now a level``2``storm,not as strong as before,but still dangerous,they say it should reach the N.C.coast on Thursday,i`m in Baltimore,Md.,we could both be in the middle of the wrath,hope it passes us by somehow,or is not too bad!Back on topic,is Corona still sponsoring this year(maybe they had a premonition and dropped out this time)?And where`s Springer and Maury when you need them this season?

Kalekona

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have no doubts that Ali would and not think twice about it.... And Jun.... well i' couldn't say.
But i know that no amount of isolation or stress, or ga,e play would make me resort to threating a little girls gift or calling her vile names. You have to have to already have that in you to do so.


But i do agree it began as a way to turn each other against Robert and has just mushroomed into something horrible.

Kalekona

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks triplexxx..... and good luck. lets hope it weakens even more.

Good question about Corona haven't seen any this year at all.

Wendo

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cricket said, " Robert is also bullying and threatening both of them. He is no innocent bystander here."

Yes, he is bullying them regarding the jury vote. (Which he has every right to do.) Unfortunately, I don't think he realizes that it's not helping his case with Jun or Ali.


Re: Contacting the sponsors of the show. It's ones choice to do so. However, this type of behavior has been displayed by past HG's. (Boogie and Kent to name one.) This behavior is far from new nor the last we'll see of it.

Oscrapit

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 03:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm really fed up with all of them and I think we ought to "nuke the site (BB house) from orbit--it's the only way to be sure"--Ripley, Aliens :)

Sweetpea1994

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am by no means a Robert fan, and I was actually starting to come around to being okay with Jun. But Robert did not have to come clean to Jun and Ali. His conversation with Julie was in the HOH room if I'm not mistaken, so they didn't even hear it. Robert calling Ali and Jun names is one thing, they are grown women. Robert's daughter is a child. IMO anyone who even tries to justify Jun and Ali calling her names should reevaluate their own morals.

Nexell2

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This controversey is exactly what Arnie was hoping for. That is why he picked the house guests he picked. CBS is competing with cabel as are ABC and NBC and all three networks are lowering standards to compete in a very valuable market. If you are shocked or angered by this years house guests, wait until next summer. It gets even more outrageous. It is what it is.

Kalekona

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo - just think if roberts name calling was a topic of conversation i'd wonder if I had said something.. But maybe with these two they don't think they are saying anything wrong so if that is the case your right it may have to be shown to them and even then i think they'll have no regrets about the things they said.

For the record this isn't about robert, I'd be just as outraged if it was Nate (and i couldn't stand him)

The really sad thing was I wanted Jun, Jee or Robert to win and now i want jun carrried out of the house pennyless.

And this behavior hasn't made me tune in more and the people who do not have feeds do not even know it is occuring.

Earthmother

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The bottom line is that every HG, including Jack (buzzards crotch), Erika (remarks about Jee) and certainly Robert have made some really nasty, unfair, vile remarks about someone (adult) in the house.

The ire of many people here and on many, many other sites is not to exonerate the others but to say "this is a baby, who goes to school every day. Even if her mom doesn't let her watch the show, or tapes only parts she can see, someone may hurt her feelings by telling her." If this were a private conversation in Jun or Ali's home no one would be the wiser..BUT IT ISN'T! And please don't give me that "they forgot they were on tv" crap..cuz I don't buy it this time, since they were looking at their web pages and talking to their fans on the camera just minutes before.

If a dog has puppies and that dog attacks someone and is put down, do you kill the puppies?

In a civilized society there are boundaries of acceptance. We protect our children (ie, child labor laws, child protective service agencys, etc.) Hell, even in jail child abusers are considered the scum of the earth by other inmates (the lowest of all cowards). These so called women have stepped wayyyyyyyyy over the line.

Wendo

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sweetpea said, "IMO anyone who even tries to justify Jun and Ali calling her names should reevaluate their own morals."

Firstly, I don't think it's anyone's place to tell someone to evaluate their morals just because they differ from yours.

Secondly, the majority of posts here have in no way tried to justify or condone Jun and Ali's comments regarding Rob's daugther.


Kalekona said, " But maybe with these two they don't think they are saying anything wrong so if that is the case your right it may have to be shown to them and even then i think they'll have no regrets about the things they said."

Well a lot of people didn't think Rob would have regrets about his comments and, lo and behold, he did. So I disagree, I think both Jun and Ali will feel regretful once they're aware of what they really said.


Nexell2, I think you make good points. Regular television now has to compete with the likes of The Sopranos, Six Feet Under, and other more risky shows. This is how they're doing it. Heck, one episode of The Sopranos if FULL of deuragatory comments.

Prisonerno6

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"However, why would Jun and Ali even consider their behavior when the conversation was Rob's behavior?"

Because their behavior was as bad as Robert's. Yes, he called women BS&Ws -- and so have the two girls. Instead of admitting even to themselves that they are just as guilty as he is, they hypocritical bash him for doing what they do hourly.

But, on second thought, you're right, there is no reason for them to consider their behavior in a discussion about Robert's. That would require some level of maturity, compassion, and introspection on their part -- and that's not going to come from those two.

Nexell2

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Arnie believe it or not values the internet and uses it to promote BIg Brother. He fully encourages HGs to act in outrageous ways on live feeds to futher the edgy side of the show. Things that cannot get by the CBS censors are related by the live feeds and internet posters. To the producers of BB this is a huge bonus.

Kalekona

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
wendo- <Kalekona said, " But maybe with these two they don't think they are saying anything wrong so if that is the case your right it may have to be shown to them and even then i think they'll have no regrets about the things they said."

Well a lot of people didn't think Rob would have regrets about his comments and, lo and behold, he did. So I disagree, I think both Jun and Ali will feel regretful once they're aware of what they really said.>

Even when i agree with you, you disagree...

Sannper

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The two lovely woman are sitting in the bedroom discussing their farewell speech to Rob, Ali is going to start the speech with the fact that her father is sitting home watching this and has to hear Rob call his daughter a wh**e etc, now this has had to be the biggest laugh yet, does she think that her father can only hear what other people say but not her??

Wendo

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother said, "If this were a private conversation in Jun or Ali's home no one would be the wiser..BUT IT ISN'T!"

Well, this is sort of a dichotomy isn't it? In a way, this is their private home, though it's watched 24/7. Hmm.


Prisoner said, "Because their behavior was as bad as Robert's. Yes, he called women BS&Ws -- and so have the two girls. Instead of admitting even to themselves that they are just as guilty as he is, they hypocritical bash him for doing what they do hourly."

Just because their behavior was as bad as Robert's doesn't mean they're going to automatically associate his behavior with their own behavior. First, they're still in an "us vs. them" game. Secondly, Most people just don't operate that way; they can't reflect until the behavior is pointed out.

"But, on second thought, you're right, there is no reason for them to consider their behavior in a discussion about Robert's. That would require some level of maturity, compassion, and introspection on their part -- and that's not going to come from those two."

And vice versa for Robert. There have been times in the past two months where HG ripping was discussed and at no point did Robert display any regret. It wasn't until he was given the opportunity to hear what he has said from someone else.

In fact, I would argue that the whole lot of this years HG lacked a certain level of maturity, compassion, and introspection. If they did, no name calling or bashing would've ocurred this year. Further, those that are able to look within themselves, really look, are few and far between. It doesn't mean that those who can't are "bad" people at all.

Crossfire

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We have had family attacks in the past haven't we? I seem to recall one of the other older men's children being brought up in the house in the past, but I am really, really thin on details.

Earthmother

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There was a lot of talk about Krista's child, but the child was never the target. Most of the comments were about Krista as a mother and Tonya last year as well. I didn't agree with those either..and the worst part about last year was the comments Dani made about Tonya's parenting as she is a parent herself. These boards lit up any time a child has been brought into the equation. This is the first year anyone has had the poor taste to attack the child..very stupid.

Wendo: 24/7 is never private..and as I said they had just been talking to their fans into the cameras so unless they have short term memory syndrome they were well aware of what they were saying and who was hearing it.

Sweetpea1994

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 04:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, this is a forum to discuss one another's opinions. That being said I am entitled to my opinion, and it is my opinion that anyone who justifies calling a child a ***** should reevaluate their own morals. Our society does try to protect children. Their comment was nasty and uncalled for. They can call Robert all the names they want, he is a grownup. His daughter is not.

Bastable

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 05:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have said it before and I must say it again: I will not sit here and judge these people. We can never understand what the stress of the BB situation does to an otherwise normal brain. And IMO, judging people is not a healthy thing to spend my time doing.

Cousin_Jake

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 05:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How else do we judge people but through their actions? We all do it every day and for good reason. How else to weigh who we want to spend time with and who we don't? One small example - when we first start dating someone I assume most people are on their best behaviour. As time goes by you see how the person reacts to life's little and big challenges ... how do they treat the waitress when the order isn't correct? ... how do they treat their parents, sisters, brothers, grandparents etc ..., are they willing to put someone else's needs/wants ahead of theirs? Are they mean, kind, understanding, moody when they don't get their way? It's how you act when you're not being watched that's most telling I guess so forgive me if I judge these three negatively when they behave this way when they know damned well they're being watched 24/7. As my Dad used to say, "Water seeks it's own level"

Csnog

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 05:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And ALL the nicer ones are GONE!

Bondmaiden

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 05:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone really think this matters to the producers of Big Brother?

Bastable

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 05:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cousin_Jake, the question to me isn't "How else do we judge people but through their actions?" but "WHY"? There is a massive difference.

Earthmother

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 05:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Have you ever wondered what was left when the pond was drained? I have my answer..