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Adamblast

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 12:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I get tired of all you folks judging the women by their looks... you should be spending your time judging the MEN by their looks, like ME!! :) :)

Tishala

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Adam!

Jane_Bond

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's weak to pick on her body, too. If she thinks she's hot, more power to her. Reminds me of all the people carping about how Jamie was fat (first season) when she had a perfectly fine body. (Now, me, I'm fat. But I'm pretty hot stuff!) If you can show us where she's saying she's got a better body or look than other women in the house, perhaps we could be upset that she's being petty, but frankly, body has little to do with anything at all.

Ryanc829

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kmjm - She never compared herself to Stripperella - That's what I meant by my original mind reader comment.

Castalinas

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun could never be like Will Kirby, he was master of all. She could never be like Amy, Amy was and is the bomb, one of the greastest HG's to ever enter the house. She can be the best Jun if she chooses but she can't be someone else. Right now, she seems a little like Nicole without the truly evil bent it sometimes takes to survive in this game but remember, Nicole's evil ways finally did her in because she lacked the most important thing that Will had, a sense of humor. I don't think Jun has one either.

Lilfair

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My first impression of Jun was that she was over confident.

So far she has neither the personality nor the looks to be as whiney and difficult as she comes off.

The first episode when she asked Nat if he wanted to bunk together or take his chances, he said let’s wait (turned her down). They later cut to Jun’s interview and she said something like …I second guessed myself, I didn’t want to bunk with Nat… Come on Jun, you so did want to bunk with him. The look on your face when he turned you down said it all.

Jun the one houseguest I’m certain I will not enjoy; not even in a love to hate sort of way.

Jillybean

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
(kmjm)Thats why I said Pamela Anderson... HELLO.. she said she was jsut as beautiful as her.. late last night.... she was laughing when she said it. though I doubt she doesn't believe it... LOl im not trying to sound sarcastic but please the girl clearly isn't great looking like she thinks she is

Sasman

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I feel bad for anyone who "can't" date someone of their own ethnic background. I am good friends with an Asian Indian lady who had dated many Indian men. When she got into a serious relationship with one of them, they would eventually go back to India to find and marry a traditional woman - among other things, they had to mary a virgin. lol

I think that's why Jee did not want to be with her anymore.

Kmjm

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jillybean, did it occur to you that Jun was being sarcastic?

Not that I'm saying that Jun is either nice or admirable- frankly for me it's too early to judge.

Cinder

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She was telling Amanda she should have never given the engagement ring back- especially since it was an birthday present. She was then giving advice to Dave to never give an engagement ring for any occasion because then the girl could keep i. Amanda got up and left Jun's conversation to talk to David.

Adamblast

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I find it *horribly repulsive* when anyone of a specific nationality or racial profile says they refuse to date anyone of their own background. It's amazingly shallow.

Eliz87

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Adam, agreed. However, I think she said that because she had a bad experience with Jee. I guess he expected her to be a "housewifey" type of person and that's just not the person she is. From that experience, she has it set in her mind (and maybe she's right to some extent?) that ALL Korean men expect this from their women.

So, if that's her perception, maybe she's not all that shallow to say that she won't date Korean (or did she say Asian in general?) men. Maybe she's just trying to safeguard herself from getting trapped in a bad relationship.

Tishala

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why Adam? I won't date anyone with breasts!

OK, just kidding again

Curlyq

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 01:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I guess I'm horribly repulsive. I'm sorry if this offends or saddens anyone, but I come from a Puerto Rican background, and I promised myself years ago I wouldn't get involved with a man of that nationality. I've seen nearly every male relative (and it's a big family) cheat on his wife and put their family through a lot of pain because of it. Most of them aren't even ashamed or apologetic. They even bring the mistress around to meet the family. Maybe I just happen to have a screwed up family, but it's left me with the unshakeable impression that Latin men take adultery as some kind of privilege they're entitled to. Women are often treated as lesser beings. I turn on Spanish TV networks and 95% of the time the women are dressed in tiny hotpants and halters. Very few are shown in a position to be respected, with the exception of a few talk show hosts.

If your cultural background involved being treated like a second-class citizen, you may not be so quick to think it's horribly repulsive to look elsewhere for a mate. People who date outside their nationality often have very real reasons, and none of them shallow.

Tumbler

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I too found Jun to be rather full of herself.The way she stood up and said she needed to throw up upon seeing her ex was unbelievable.

Jane_Bond

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I had a Korean friend who wouldn't date other Koreans. I think it's easier to understand if you are Asian. There is really strong pressure to date/marry within your own nationality and in Asian culture most men are a lot more chauvenist than Western men. There are exceptions, of course, but I think Jun's blanket statement included an unspoken codicil about exceptions. (my friend's mum constatnly pressured her to date any Korean professional and treated her Canadian partner like crap)

Adamblast

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 02:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Curlyq, sorry to come on so strong... Yes, it does still sadden me, and I've got ample experience with being treated second class... But I won't be so quick to call the reasons shallow...

I understand finding the culture you were raised with oppressive, for whatever reason; and the concern that others from the culture might straightjacket you, but it's still hard for me to imagine turning my back on my heritage and discarding it entirely--dismissing it out of hand.

That said, I don't hold anyone particularly responsible for finding one color or type of person sexier than any other... You're free to limit yourself to blond 20-year-olds, if you wish...

Bleubull

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun is pretty and has a good body. But so what. She gets on my nerves and I would NOT be sad if she was the first to go.

Cinder

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 02:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Me neither- but there are many who would say that she adds entertainment to the show.

Babyboo

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i don't think jun is pretty atall, her body is decent but her attitude sucks buttermilk, she thinks to high of herself and shes not that great

Crazydog

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing that I don't understand about Jun is that she has extrapolated her one bad relationship with Jee into refusing to date all Asian men. She said "I don't date Asian men". Then she talked about her bad experience with Jee. But somewhere along the line she has equated ALL Asian men with Jee. Not just Koreans, but all Asians. There are many differences between Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Filipino, etc. Not to mention the fact that the thing she was complaining about was being treated like a housewife. She was obviously raised with American values, has it never occurred to her that there are Asian American men raised with the same values that won't treat her like a housewife?

I find her "bad relationship" to be an excuse. I think she just finds white men more attractive and therefore is categorically stereotyping all Asian American males to make herself feel better.

Babyboo

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 02:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree crazydog

Ryanc829

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 03:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazydog - Extrapolated? Jeez...What made ya choose that word?

Realbiz

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 03:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree - she finds white men more attractive and only use her past experience as an excuse. I don't think she is pretty, just average. There are lots of asain girls prettier than her.

Tishala

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 03:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's about the only word that fits in that context. I like when people choose the correct word.