Is Robert “WIRED” right to win BB4?
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Tobor7

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 04:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Let me first say that you can’t study for an IQ test. You take it and you get what you get. You can’t cram for it. Although people study HOW to TAKE SATs… you can’t really get smart in a hurry. Either you learned the stuff or you did not. (For the most part.)

The same with BB. Some people are clearly not “wired” to succeed on BB. Scott is a perfect example. I’m sure there are others, but I won’t get into that.

Now onto Robert and the title of this thread.

I don’t think Robert went into this BB with a plan. If he wins it, it will not be because he had a brilliant plan. I think he was “wired” to win it. The emotions we see from him are real. He cries, he laughs, he gets angry and nervous. He does not decide when to cry or get angry. Many viewers don’t like him, but he was able to make 2 good friends that were able to overlook his bad points. These 2 friends will vote with or for him at the end. That is more than you can say for any other player. They all made too many enemies within the game (Not Jack, but that is a different thread. He had a plan and it did not work.) If Rob made enemies, he made them for who he is, not how he played.

He appears weak when he is weak. He acts strong when he is in a strong position. He has pissed enough of them off for them to think he can’t win, yet he turns on whatever “charm” he has when he wants to or when he has to. It is his personality that is guiding him through the game—for better or worse. He does not appear to have held anything back. So with a little luck at the right time, and just using what he uses in his everyday life, he has been able to be underestimated, hated, used, befriended, lied to… he has been hated for what he is… not how he played the game. And maybe that will make the difference.

He may just be “wired” for the game. No brilliant plan. A little luck. And just being himself. For better or worse. So it may be a solace to those who want to try BB… you don’t have to have a big game plan… or be too smart… or lie too much… or be too well liked… or anything. You just have to be yourself. And if it is second nature to you to do the best thing (not right or correct thing) the best thing… then with a bit of luck you may be able to win.

Onlyhuman

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 05:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ooooohhhh Tobor, good thoughts...

It is interesting, because in terms of his personality, I think he is definitely NOT a leader, which is the thing that makes you a huge target in this game. So, in that sense, he is definitely programmed to not be a true target until late in the game.

However, Robert's ADHD characteristics seem to argue against him being "wired" to win this game. In any other house, Robert's behavior under stress would have made him the target of eviction. It was only because Jun needed Jee out of the house that Robert remained. I guess that's where the luck part comes in to all of this.

Tobor7

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 06:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As someone said-- He IS like a little kid. Says what is on his mind. His m0d button is not available to him it seems. I really think that with Rob, what we see is what he is. He did not "invent" a new personality. He is flying by the seat of his pants.

When it is over I hope he just says that:
"I had no planed strategy from the start. I was just there doing my thing. If it worked it worked, If it didn't it didn't."

Nothing complicated.

Volgirl

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said Tobor. It is amazing to think he is still there and HOH to boot. I have to say this made for an entertaining twist. Everyone had bigger fish to fry to not target Robert. Being behind the shield of the "dream team" helped him alot and I agree, LUCK has alot to do with it. It is difficult to play any game when you don't know what the competitions will be. I also am alittle impressed how he has handled his HOH reign. Nice speech at the nominations, probably the best one I had heard this year.

Texasdeb

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 06:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I totally agree with Tobar: Robert DID NOT apply for this show. BB approached Robert with this oportunity when maybe he didn't have anything else going on. Robert didn't realize until after getting into the house that Erika was the reason. Reasons known - Rob/Erika have made a truse to what was a bad break-up. Rob (maybe Erika too) still has feelings for the X. I've wanted Erika in final 2 since nearly the begining & now Robert realizes she is the better person of the 3 remaining women. And, how clever of him to put the bug in Jun about the jury thinking anyone taking Ali to finals is telling the jury "I took the easy way". I give Mr. Rob my hands up!

Puzzled

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 06:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think you're onto something, Tobor. Going with your instincts/guts is a strategy, too, and some people are much better at reading and manipulating people than others.

Robert's "charm" may well be a result of these kind of instincts.

Caycaye

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 06:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I TOTALLY agree with you Tobor7!! Exactly!

Tobor7

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 06:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert was able to "charm" Erika into being his GF. He was able to cheat on her and she didn't find out till 3 years after the fact.

He is a damaged and flawed person. He has hot Cuban blood. He runs on emotion. He accepts himself. He forgives himself for drinking. He has opinions and is not afraid to say them. (Even if they are wrong or hurtful.)

It will be SO interesting to see if he is able to "charm" Erika one last time, or if she learned anything about her experience with him and is able to play him better now. That dynamic will be the best to watch. Not the stuff w/Erika bad mouthing him to the other girls. Just how she is when she is alone with him.

Caycaye

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 06:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It looks like Robert really does still have love for Erika. I find it VERY interesting to watch also.

Sunshyne4u

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont think that Rob being where he is has anything to do with his being 'wired right' to win. Indeed, he is where he is today by being a lackey, not a leader. Riding someone else's coat-tails have given us the last two seasons Winners, in my opinion.
***** As for ANYONE being wired right to win the show, I think that the comps have been geared towards certain individuals. It cant be a coincidence that each and every HOH was an individual who HAD to win it or ELSE! Those odds are very improbable ( especially to anyone who understands Statistics) I am thinking this show is too rigged to be enjoyable anymore.

Tobor7

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Either way sunshine. If he is wired to win, or if it is rigged... either way, there is no strategy then... so you might as well just be yourself. (If you have the guts to do something like that and not care.)

Tobor7

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 02:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A deceived man does not know that he is deceived. How, then, do you know that you are not deceived. And there is Robert.

Lulu

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 10:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
IMHO Robert has no real feelings for Erica, he's positioning himself for the endgame. Plus he NEEDS someone to talk to and he knows Erica best. He may really want to take her to final two but for strategic reasons - not personal feelings I think.

Kalekona

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 10:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
there is NO stratigic reason fro Robert to take Erika to the end, he knows she'd beat him and he's said so.
He does feel more comfortable with her and feels of the three she is the better person.

You really can't say robert rode anyones coat tails, he had a lot of imput on nominations during Jee and Justins HOH, was invovlved in all the stratagy planning. And had the good sense to align with two people clearly bigger threats than himself.

Sunshyne4u

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali and Rob have had a tight quiet alliance for weeks now. They had discussed that they had to go to the end together or neither would have a chance to win. It was discussed since they are both "dream team" that the votes would be basically split down the middle and it would be just a fluke who wins it (4-3 votes)

I really will be shocked if this alliance is not the only one that Ali will not break...it is her best shot at winning it all.

C1mag

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Theres no strategic reason for Rob to take Erika to the end and since he said so that must be it? NOPE! Look at the bigger picture and Rob has even said the person who boots those two women would be applauded by many at the squestered house. Those two women would feel that Erika had betrayed them and they would probably give it to Rob as well. However, I don't think Rob is that cleaver to pick that up imediately. He simply wants to get even but the more he got pumped about the idea of losing someone like Ali he realized how smart of a move it would be for his benefit. It would make you forget about his coattail riding game play and make him look like the house hero for denying those two any money. Yes he did indeed ride coattails. He sat in a hammock weeks earlier and told Erika that both of them were in a very good position. Just sit back and ride it out. The focus was on many others. This last week he got sooooo lucky. I was happy with his victory. It gave the game a bit more of a pump.
So is he wired for this game? Hmmmm... Lets just say thank god for this year's ex factor when it comes to Rob because without it he would have to have created an alliance all on his own and with his obvious "time alone" approach he may have had no coattails to ride and would have stuck out as the house loner. Jee and Justin would have probably hooked up with Erika and Jack.

Woodpecke®

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The thought of somebody like Robert with $500,000 makes me realize that there is something seriously wrong with the concept of receiving money for doing absolutely nothing.

C1mag

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Wood Thats funny! If by chance Rob does win the big money you can bet there will be some who will swear he was a master at this game. :)