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Princetonplace

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 07:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
First off, this strand has veered off track completely by going into a psychological debate about Alison and being beaten. Seems like mental masterbation to me. Anyway, I am the author of the "Not Justin Not Donnie" letter. I was going to be the dignified person and not pile on top of the already multiplying mountain of criticism of Alison, but when I heard her give some personal attacks to me on the feeds I had to say something. Also, I never beat Alison! I honestly think she has never been abused. I definately think she has been hit in retaliation, but she is a very physically aggressive and violent girl. I will leave it there. From what I was told by her, she was beaten by her high school boyfriend and also by Donnie, but after hearing "the other side of the story" it was a lot of grabbing her wrists to stop punching and pushing her away because she was physically attacking them. This is not a victim, the victim is whoever dates her! Lastly, reading over the letter I wrote, I hope no one takes it as egotistical or displaying a "me me me" atittude. I am truly sorry for somehow being connected to the ruining of the show, and I truly feel bad for Alison, even though I despise her.

Puzzled

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 07:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You are no way responsible, except in the most peripheral way, for Ali's being chosen.

That decision was made by the producers of BB--they were looking for someone like Alison to spice up the show and decided to go with her. They made the interviews and made the decision.

Charvie

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Princetonplace, you shouldn't feel completely responsible. Shapiro and Co are the ones who decided the ex-factor should be a show. I think that ruined the show. Alison though linked to your application process, isn't your responsibility either. Shapiro apparently nixed their normal process of psychological testing, research and background checks. And not just with Alison. This show was doomed because of the lack of 12 strangers in the house. So give your self a break. And thanks for clarifying the abuse allegtions. It can't be fun to be considered the offender, especially when you are not. Moreso when millions of people you don't know are involved.

Cliotheleo

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Princeton, hope you don't mind me giving you some friendly advice, take a deep breath ............. release it slowly ........... and then move on with you life.

Crossfire

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Princetonplace: (snippage from the letter) "I am in a relationship with a woman and not even $500,000 would get me to compromise it."

I am curious, what led you to believe being on the show would compromise your relationship?

Chippy

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm curious too, Princetonplace. Did you apply to BB4 and what happened after that.

Welcome to TVCH as a new poster. :)

Gina8642

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL - Does anyone actually think that enough people take Ali's actions seriously enough to 'set back the women's movement' even a day?

This is a reality TV show. I highly doubt Alison's actions will influence the general public or the women's movement.

I'm trying to imagine in my mind the president of NOW watching the show going oh yes, that's the way to do it. What was I thinking trying to do the other way? LOL Just isn't goint to happen.

Princetonplace

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think my girlfriend has ESP or some kind of sixth sense Crossfire because she called it from the beginning that they would try to put <Mod> on there with me since they kept asking me so many questions about Alison and our relationship. So simply put, my girlfriend told me that our relationship would be compromised if I went on the show from the beginning.

Cliotheleo--don't worry, I have moved on, way on...

Princetonplace

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chippy-I actually didn't want to apply, I took my friend to an open casting tryout for it, and while I was waiting for him to go in front of the camera, a person from CBS walked up to me and asked me to please try out, that I had "the look" they wanted. So I did, then I made it through a bunch of interviews and the semi finals, then did not quit, because I did want to be on the show, but basically stated that I would not be apart of something like what they were beating around the bush about. Also, I had reservations about leaving my job for three months, so I was cut and they found Justin, who is a great guy. Wish he would have won, he could buy me some beers when he gets back to Pittsburgh.

Cliotheleo

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Princeton, I REALLY am not trying to sound hateful and farbeit from me to tell you how to live your life ............ but it doesn't sound like it. Text description

And no need to feel bad, you didn't ruin the show. Without Ali and Justin the show would have been a LOT more boring than it already was. :)

Chippy

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the reply, Princeton. I wondered if other hg were suspicious of the X factor considering the questions that must have been necessary to cast that twist. Interesting.

I'm not sure what you have to move on from, but forward is always the better direction to go- for all of us. I appreciate your perspective.

Vealprince

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Clicotheleo. This show was FAR from ruined by the inclusion of Alison. Personally, I wish the house was stocked with 12 Alisons. (I'm probably in the minority on that one but I watch BB for the provacative moments.)

And Princetonplace, your 'take' on ALison, whether it is from personal experience or not is 100% in line with the feelings I've had on her since week 3. There is definitily something missing there and we all saw it. (Well...except Nate, but that is another story.) In most cases, I would automatically believe a woman who said she was beaten...thats just my programming. But I never believed it when Alison said it and I don't believe it now. She has not ONE of the characteristics of an abused woman yet I can completely picture her "decking" a guy in an argument.

Thanks for posting

Kailas

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In a related string, "An Article About Alison from the Meadville Tribune", most of the observations in this string are right on target!

That rundown of hometown events tells it all...or refers to it clearly!!

Ryn

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just for the record (and no offense to you "Princetonplace") this site has not verified Princetonplace's identity as the author of the posted note (and I don't know if the site it was taken from verified his identity as the "Ex" Alison felt was the reason she was on BB4 either) so please take that into account. Sorry this post is short but I just wanted to get that out for the record before anyone jumped to any conclusions.

-Ryn tvch/bbfc moderator

Princetonplace

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryn, what do you need from me for proof? A pint of blood, a pound of flesh, or is my first born good enough. Come on man, we are having fun here and I am sharing my experiences with the fellow posters. You are a moderator of a reality tv forum, not secret service for the president. Why don't you chill out?!

Princetonplace

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Also Ryn, if you have any questions on my validity to the situation, ask Spamgirl over at the BBQ. She came across my old website that had pictures of our favorite evil hg before I was able to get them off the internet.

Seanflynn2003

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryn handled this situation exactly the right way. Princetonplace could very well be telling the truth, but in the absence of proof it is best to not assume anything.
The first of the two most recent posts from him if anything cast doubt on it. "We are having fun here." That could included making it all up.

Neko

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We would need proof because we really wouldn't like to talk to someone who's pretending to be someone else, and getting a good laugh out of it.

It's happened here before.

Not saying that you are doing that PrincetonPlace, just commenting.

PS - First born child is good enough

Ezgoing

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 02:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Welcome Princetonplace! Because TVCH prides itself on having and maintaining a stellar reputation among fan sites, they take the time to verify that posters really are who they say they are. It's as much out of respect for YOU as for the readers of the board. That way, no one can dispute you are Ali's ex and discount your comments based on that. We have several family members and close friends of former BB hgs who post here and have appreciated having their connection with the hg confirmed for them. Again, welcome!

Pascalle

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I also would want more verification from someone in authority on this board before I believe that Prince is the real auther of the letter. Also, I doubt the actual author as well. Some people just want to jump on the bandwagon, that's what I think. Veal, I too wish the whole house would be stocked with Alisons' next year. She was very entertaining. Btw, I'm not defending her. I believe all the people who enter that house to be monitored 24/7 have to be pretty secure in who they really are as oppossed to who the public thinks they are. You would have to be. The only kind of house guest I really don't like watching are the dull ones.

Chippy

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, Michelle was pretty secure. Well, until she was TRAUMATIZED for the rest of her life. LOL. I don't think security is a prerequisite to apply for BB. But, I think it certainly would help. As would a coat of armour, Pamprin, and Oxy10.

Chippy

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 02:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm okay without verification of anything. If he's not who he says he is, well, then he's someone else we don't know. :)

Pascalle

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Michelle was an X and probably had to be talked into coming on the show. I think the majority of HGs in any year are basically the kind of people who are secure enough to not care what the general public thinks. If you had 12 nice people in the house concerned with offending eachother or the public, there would be no ratings and no show. I'm sure CBS is aware of this. I stand by my statement.

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 02:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If he did date Alison, the intensive therapy and constant flashbacks are enough punishment. Get him a beer and keep his feet up.

Jbfrommi

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 03:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood, have you ever thought of becoming a comedian? You crack me up with some (most) of your responses. I love coming to this forum, just to read your posts.

edited to add, you brighten my day!

Ezgoing

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 03:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood, LOL! I'll drink to that. Thanks for the chuckles...again!

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Jbfrommi and Ezgoing.