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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Elena was there - fair or unfair?:
Archive through September 18, 2003
Flamingo | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:24 am     of course it does, it shows the HGs that they have popularity that could also translate to votes from the jury. And it also irritates the other HGs who wouldn't mind winning America's Choice themselves. If the Mommy or Daddy HG is evicted, they may actually get a chance to win one. |
Vealprince | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:26 am     I say "unfair". Sure its awful on a child to not see her father but her father made that decision to play this game. There is only one more week left. Just one more instance of an uneven hand running BB. |
Flamingo | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:26 am     well, Robert won his first 2 America's Choices when there was more than just Ali and Jun in the game - like Erika and Jack. They weren't exactly vile. |
Earthmother | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:28 am     I don't agree with banning people with kids from this show..If we took a poll here I would venture most of us are between 30 and 60 and most of us have young or grown children. Personally I would not watch a show of only 20 something, bikini wearing, self-centered, oversexed kids for 3 months, we already have "The Real World, Road Rules, Sority Life, Tempation Island, and Paradise Hotel" if that's your thing..I'd be an outie!! |
Gina8642 | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:31 am     I had no problem with Elena being there for Robert when he got out. I don't think Elena can influence his vote - and if she can, then Robert is a bigger %%$# than I ever imagined. I know the sole reason BB put Elena there was to pull at our (the viewers) heartstrings - ie, to get ratings. They completely suceeded. Frankly I don't care why they did it, I was happy for Robert and I was happy for Elena. I may not like Robert very much, and I think he was duped from the beginning of this game to the end. But, I do believe he loves his daughter and that she loves him. I'm glad they were reunited last night instead of in another week. |
Csnog | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:33 am     It is well known that the HG's are given down time when they leave the house. I think they have to talk with the analyst. With Roberts drinking problem they may have thought that he needed to see her. We don't know everything about the DR sessions and maybe they thought he was on the edge if he was evicted. |
Monalisahi | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:34 am     Toolhound said: Maybe they should consider a new rule banning people with children from playing the game. That would eliminate a lot of crying on the show Wasn't most of the crying done by those without children??? Michelle, Erika and Ali had to be at the top of the list. Jack was the only other person in the house with children and I don't remember him being a crier. |
What555456 | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:35 am     It seems to me BB has played all the right strings on this one -- even got so many on this Board to think that somehow this was all a nice gesture on BB's part and that Elena could not have made it another week or so without seeing Daddy. There have been very few tender moments this year -- the only one I can recall is Jee's tribute to his father -- and BB knows good TV when they see it. So, they have played up the Robert/Elena thing as some wondewrful father/daughter relationship. And so many of you have bought into it. Most of us on here who are parents would never even consider voluntarily leaving a 7 year old child for three months. We would consider it irresponsible and inappropriate for a parent with a close relationship with a child to do so. And yet, Robert did -- and even when he thought of winning, the only thing he wanted to give his daughter out of $500,000 was a $100 day at Disneyland. Yea, great father who is focused on his sweet daughter! I do not believe Robert's stories about his feelings about his daughter. I do believe he got lonely in the house and the only person outside of the house who accepts him for what he is is a seven year old child. The rest of the people in his life -- adults with whom he could have a relationship -- reject him for any close intimacy. So, when he got lonely in the house, he pined for the unconditional love a seven year old gives to a father -- even one who is absent so much of the time. I also doubt that many of us, knowing our children were watching, would have acted as despicably disgusting as Robert did through much of the show. No doubt, if we were on the show the kids would have seen some things we would prefer them not to see -- but Robert never seemed to care that his darling little seven year old who is the center of his life was watching her father debase himself in so many ways on TV. Wait until this little girl grows up a couple of more years and knows what it is her father thinks of women -- and she will realize she is part of that group as well. And then wait a couple of more years when she starts to rebel, Robert is no longer idolized with a seven year olds eyes and the tension between them starts to rise. As he gets angry with her, she is going to remember exactly what he said she (and all women) are like. No, I do not buy that Robert cares that much for his daughter and I do not think he should have had her there when none of the other HG's being sequestered had the benefit of familial support. Having watched the Bravo series on reality TV, though, I have no doubt that BB scripted this entire father/daughter relationship to add some tenderness to a show in which none of the HG's were liked, to get more viewers and to suck people in. Robert was undoubtedly told to play up the relationship. BB likely also played on his loneliness, immaturity and insecurity to make him seem like he really cares all that much for this little girl. And they simply used her last night for good TV. It was unfair for her to be there. But it made for a better show. |
Lorry | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:35 am     I agree Earthmother. I have never watched any of the bikini/sex shows. Just not interested. If BB turns into anything remotely like those shows.. I am not going to be interested enough to watch. I'm tired of wannabe actors and actresses... I want to see "real" people interacting. I want to see a diversity of people. Large, small, short, heavy, tall... different ages, different cultures. I want to see an "all gay" BB... I want to see a "ethnic mix" BB. An all women or all men BB. |
Flamingo | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:40 am     I don't agree with banning them either. Unfortunately, however, in future BB's they will likely not last very long because of the preferential treatment Robert has received this year. |
Lori | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:08 am     I don't think it would be a good idea to ban people with children. If anything, you may see more HG's next time around with kids. I really do wish BB would pick a more diverse mix of HG's next year. Personally I wish they would really mix up the ages, a nice mix of 20's, 30's, 40's etc. Personally I cannot imagine leaving my kids for that length of time...in fact I know I wouldn't. But different strokes for different folks! |
Gina8642 | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:10 am     I don't think parents should be banned. People with children are an important part of our population. Why should reality shows only include those that don't have kids. That kind of logic just doesn't make sense to me. I'm not sure, but I'm guessing most adults age 18-45 have at least one child. Why limit your self to a fraction of the adult population when casting these shows? Again - I really, really don't like Robert - but I see zero reason to doubt his love for his daughter. Where on earth to get power to judge if his love is real? Is he a perfect father? I doubt it, but I don't think any parent is perfect. I also don't think BB should not use clips of the kids of it's HGs. Is this exploitative? Sure it is. But so is every last sitcom, drama, and other TV show that has children on it. Those kids usually don't attend regular schools. Many have parents that push them so hard, they become totally messed up. I think Elena's brush with fame from BB4 is nothing compared to what all these other hundreds of child actors go through every day. So, if we ban children from a show like BB, you should be calling for a ban of any child appearing on TV in any circumstance. That seems way too extreme to me. |
Carrie92 | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:29 am     TOTALLY FAIR!! And if you think about it, a good move on BB's part. We all fell in love with Elena, and they knew it. (Heck, they love her too - after having to watch Ali from the control room 24/7 - those poor people) If they had done it for Robert's sake, it would have been done off camera. They know we all wanted to see the Ali/Jun venom air on TV so that the jury could see it. They tried to appease us. Far as I'm concerned, Elena was my favorite person on the show. Besides, we don't know that Carmen wasn't waiting off-stage for Jee, Erika's mom for her, etc. |
Earthmother | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:36 am     Here here!!an all fat people BB..I might just sign up...I can lie as good as the next guy. I wouldn't trash people though unless I secretly talked into the camera and said "I have to say this to be evil so they will take me to the end with them..but you know I don't mean it. I do my best to humiliate my kids anyway so they will expect it from me." |
Lostintheglades | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:40 am     hmmmm...I would fit in with the fat people BB just fine...but I think I'd send hubby, he's already humiliated the kids, they need to have something to fall back on and that would be me. Good strategy Earthmother, make the camera work for you. |
Carrie92 | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:45 am     What555456: #1 you apparently have never been to Disneyland. You're going to drop more than $100 there in a day, even with only 2 people. #2 implying that R/Elena's father/daughter relationship is phony - well, that is just sick. #3 the ONLY thing he wanted to give his daughter was a day at Disneyland? Well, what would you want if you were seven? College tuition? Gee, thanks daddy. (not to say that I don't think that was in his plans) #4 how do you know Robert is an absentee father? If I knew I could get on the show, I'd do it, as a mother, I would miss my son so much it would nearly kill me, but I want the best for him also. Money isn't everything, but it sure as hell pays the bills. #5 IF indeed you are a parent, I suggest you turn that frown upside-down every once in a while and quit being so negative. Because, clearly here, you've assumed the worst. |
Lori | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:46 am     LOL...the only way I would go on BB is if they gave me my very own bathroom! My kids joke that if I were on BB I would be voted off immediately after the HG's got a look at me when I first wake up. LOL! Hey I'm not a natural beauty...I gotta work hard on it! |
Toolhound | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:46 am     Next year why don't they just have all Fathers and the one with the cutest kid wins? Or a Big Brother with just kids that we can watch cry because they miss their parents. |
Lorry | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:49 am     I'm huge and not one ounce am I ashamed of... I'm an awesome cook and my perogies and blintzes are to die for... hehe I'd be a "floater"... in the pool that is.. just floating around catching a tan. I'm also a tad bit of a flirt... hehe... I'd get some blood running in the old men's veins... hahahahahahaha Yeah for a Big & Beautiful Big Brother !!! |
Tresbien | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:50 am     Robert was my least favorite HG, but I came to appreciate some qualities about him as the game progressed. I don't post often and rarely ever more than once in a thread, but I wanted to mention that leaving in third place is the toughest ending for the contestants. Jokes are made about it every year. I think it was a kindness to give Robert the reunion with Elena to soften the disappointment of his loss. BB reserves the right to change the game at any time if I recall correctly. They and we all know this. |
Bastable | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:54 am     Tresbien wrote: "Robert was my least favorite HG, but I came to appreciate some qualities about him as the game progressed." Exactly! There is a strong tendency here to make everything either black or white. "Fair or unfair." "Love him or hate him?" Let's face it: EVERYTHING is grey in this world. Robert has some bad points, and he also has some very good points. I wish we were better at identifying those mixed traits in our posts. |
Kalekona | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:55 am     Thanks carrie, i was going to respond to Whats post but just don't have the energy, What is a robert hater and has made every nasty negitive comment about Robert that has been used this year. I'm glad someone else thought his post was a bit on the bitter uncalled for side. |
Earthmother | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 11:00 am     Are mixed traits anything like mixed drinks? cuz I really want to know what's in a Long Island Iced Tea...and I don't think it's fair they don't list the ingredients on the bottle, but then again it probably wouldn't be fair to the Hard Lemonade contingency.. |
Bastable | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 11:02 am     Huh? Wha?? Earthmother, it sure sounds like you've had a few of them already. Or maybe you're chugging Bellinis?  |
Earthmother | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 11:04 am     Look pal I have one more week with Cinderella's evil step-sisters and I need help to get through it.. hic!! |
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