The History of Jun's Negativity
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Guinevere

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 10:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
>As far as Ali goes i think that negativity breeds negativity and they fed off each other by the end.<

I agree. It's not an excuse, but it's something I've seen before on BB and I think it has to do with the isolation. Peoples' perspectives get skewed.

Jee, Robert and Justin were the same at times, with their comments about women. They might not have talked like that on the outside, but within their insulated little group, their uglier sides emerged and fed off of each other. It's almost akin to a mob mentality.

Again, not trying to justify anything, but I would bet that at least some of the people here who so decry Jun and Alison's behavior might themselves act in ways that they wouldn't expect if they were placed in the BB house.

Earthmother

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think negativity breeds negativity if you don't practice right from wrong. Most of us who make a negative comment though we think it is justified at the time only see how bad it sounds when someone else says it and we cringe. That is usually enough for us to say "wow, I shouldn't have said that" and try to refrain from repeating the remarks. If hearing it doesn't bother you and you have no remorse for your part in it then I guess negativity rather than breed more of the same actually gives you license to continue with more of it.

Kalekona

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
earthmother you do not understand the dynamics of mob mentality do you?
It's not a question of them knowing right from wrong, it's the reatcion to pack behavior. Is it an excuse? No but it doesn't show the true values of the people involved.
There were many times Jun clearly showed dismay at some of the things ali said so she at least knew it was wrong but caught up in the ferver did not stop herself from being swept down the same path.

Murph

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone remember the conversation that Erika and Jun had about "portion control"? They were in the kitchen and Erika remarked that she took after her father, lean and thin. Her mother, on the other hand, had always a weight problem and had even been a Weight Watcher counselor at one time.

Erika said she had learned a lot from her mother about portion control. She was trying to give pointers to Jun from what she had learned from her mother's difficulty with her weight gain/loss merry go-round. IMO, the conversation was very cordial between the two.

I remember after this talk, Jun really bashed Erika to Ali again about how little Erika ate and how she pushed her food around and never ate anything. This was when they were having all the 4-star meals brought in each evening. I remember sitting and thinking at the time that Jun was really had a "hang-up" about Erika.

In Jun's audition tape, she said "my boobs are real." She made many, many remarks about Erika's fake boobs and then equated that with being a fake, Slutty •••••. She made the statement many times that she never liked Erika from the beginning. For the life of me, I cannot remember anything Erika did to Jun to create such hostility. IMO, jealousy would be a good theory.

Earthmother

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kale, I teach 8th grade so don't preach pack mentality to me. Even teenagers will balk when one of their group says something negative and I have to remind them that they have done the same thing, and they are embarrassed. I have then heard the same person remind others in their pack not to talk like that. I can't understand why anyone is making excuses for her or blaming it on negative mob mentality when Jun herself said "I say things about people for fun." SHE DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HER OWN BEHAVIOR.

Kalekona

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think i once made an excuse for either one of them.
There is a difference between an excuse and a reason. neither excuses anything just explains why.
Jun started out as the catty, witty •••••
Ali was the backstabbing, nasty pagent princess.

seperatly Ali still would have been horrible but Jun would have just been bitchy. Together they were satan's spawn.

Earthmother

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
catty---nasty....all equates to the same thing to me...semantics

Spunky

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Heck, even as the Jury was handing out the big money to her she was negative!!
At least Ali had the grace to smile at her defeat but Jun was upset because no one prostrated at her feet....

Guinevere

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spunky, if Jun had shown any positive reaction, people would get all over her for that. Ali was being phony, like she always is. That, or she was just oblivious.

I really doubt Jun expected anyone to "prostrate at her feet"...I think that she was really effected by the hostility she sensed in the room.

Kalekona

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Guinevere - I agree. Jun has showed great empathy while in the house at times. Ali showed none.
It hurt jun last night to have everyone so against her. Ali just hurt because she lost.

Vskatefan

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder how Jun would have behaved if the final three had been for instance Jun, Justin, and Jee or Jun, Erika, and Dana or whatever. I don't excuse Jun for her horrible comments but I do think that some of those comments might not have seen the light of day if some others were there instead of Alison.

Earthmother

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
empathy? when? granted most of Ali's empathy or sympathy was followed by fake tears, but I never saw Jun show any remorse either. I never saw empathy, caring, etc..maybe we were watching a different show.

Monalisahi

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<nodding fervently with Earthmother>

I can't think of 1 time when Jun was empathetic or sympathetic.

Earthmother

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kale, I'm not disagreeing with you, but I would like examples of this empathy..perhaps I missed them.

Dee

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sweetpea, I can't find that 28 min. video on Morty's site. Do you have the URL?

Thanks!

Sweetpea1994

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oops, here it is.

http://www.mortystv.com/big_brotherb.shtml

Just scroll all the way to the bottom of the page at Morty's site and click on the "See what happened before this" link and it will take you to the page (it is about half way down the page).