Archive through September 10, 2003
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Archive through September 10, 2003
Spunky | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 08:01 am     She kept saying all she wants is second place?? Now that she is so close to the big one, would she still be happy with only the 50K or is she going to be really made if she doesn't get the 500k? She'd be too naive to believe she'll win the big one when she has so many enemies. Anyone against her would win, Jun hands down and Robert very very close. Robert said whoever wins the final HOH should win the big prize.. would he go to the Jury house and say so to the others if Ali wins the last HOH?? I think if Ali wins the last HOH she really deserve to win more than Jun or Robert. So I think Jun or Robert will win at the expenses of Ali. (Yes, you might add... she should blame herself for that!!!) |
Stingerman | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 08:05 am     She has gotten just like Danni last year in that 50k is better than nothing. |
Saggkl | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 08:05 am     If she really wants only second place why does she not take Erica like she promised? |
Spunky | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 08:09 am     No, I don't think she really wants only second place at this point, she feels she's got the game in her hand. So, I think she must feel upset for making so many enemies and lose to Jun or Robert but she will not admit she played bad and will be very very jealous of Jun or Robert. |
Whit4you | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 08:16 am     I don't get the impression Allie really cares that much about winning the 500 g's - she just cares about WINNING. And she's been playing to win. I don't think she'd be happy to come in 2nd, but not cause she'd lose 450,000 - but because she didn't WIN. I think she still thinks she has a good chance of winning - and I think she actually does. None of the HGs have seen her DR sessions - and most will know she played this game to the hilt, and made it to the final two. Jun? She just sauntered from side to side... Erika - she just sat quietly by while the two sides took each other out. Rob - he rid Jee and Justin's coattails (though I think he may likely win if he makes it to the final two cause his 'team' may not look at it that way) So Ali does have a good chance to win this. |
Maris | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 08:28 am     I agree whit. I believe that Ali has a very good chance against Erika. I dont think she has much of a chance against Rob because Dana, Justin, Jee and Jun would probably vote for Rob. Jun will not give Ali the prize if she is voted out. The only people I see voting for Erika are Jack and Jun. Jack and Erika would vote for Jun but that is about it. Dana Nathan and Justin may dislike Ali but they are also extremely competitive people and will give her credit for playing the game hard. |
Tresbien | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 08:45 am     Whit and Maris, I just don't see Jee3+Dana voting for Ali no matter what. At most I think she could get Nathan, Jack and Erika. So the only scenario I can imagine giving her a win would be for Justin to break ranks and vote for her, although I think that's unlikely. Who do you think would vote for her? |
Maris | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 08:54 am     I think with the distance of the game the J3 would vote for her. In the end they will look at who played it the hardest and you cant argue against being put up three times and getting yourself off. She talked Nathan into vetoing her, she won the veto both times that she needed it as well. I dont see them voting for Erika or Jun. If Ali is up against Robert then Robert wins. Against Jun and Erika, I think Ali has a good shot at winning. |
Spunky | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 09:39 am     The only way I can see for the others to reconsider Ali is if Ali wins the last HOH. If Jun or Robert win the last HOH, Ali won't even get a second thought. Jun would keep Ali over Robert and she'll get the 50k only. (even with the idea put into the Jury's mind that Jun did so for selfish purposes) winning the HOH is proof enough for them that Jun played the best. So, Ali has to win HOH for a slim chance at the 500k. As of now Ali may ask herself..."Who of these three should I hand out the 500k???" |
Charvie | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 09:44 am     I don't see Alison winning against any of the remaining HG's. Remember she isn't telling Erika the truth, she is making Erika think she will keep her. So Erika will not vote for her, Dana hates Alison and it will not change. Justin will not give Alison his vote because she double-crossed the "dream team". I see the only votes Alison getting is if up against Jun: Dana, Robert, Erika, Jack would vote for Jun. Justin may give it to her because of his dislike of Jun, Nathan may vote for her and Jee if he is looking for revenge may vote for Alison. Against Robert: Justin, Jee, Dana, Jun, Erika will vote for Robert. Jack and Nathan seeing Erika voting for Robert may do it as well. Against Erika: Justin,Jack, Dana, Jee, Robert would give it to Erika. I see Jun, maybe Nathan voting for Alison. Ultimately Alison really has no chance of winning the 500g's. |
Seamonkey | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 09:46 am     I don't think that is Ali's mindset. (that she is considering only $50,000) She is saying she'd be second place because she wants them to all want to take her to F2. But just like she psychs herself for each competition I don't think she envisions losing.. |
Spunky | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 09:49 am     And the only person who can hammer that into her head is Robert. Jun and Erika don't want to risk her anger, but Robert has nothing to lose at this point. Convince Ali that she has no chance at the 500k and keep Erika as having played more honestly than Jun, saying Erika had her back all the time. If Robert really wants to do something for Erika, that's what he should do. However, he should make it clear that he'll be gone next so that Ali doesn't think he's saying that to save his alliance with Erika. |
Rainwoman | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 10:07 am     Alison is dilusional if she thinks she can win. If she was REALLY smart, she'd go out and get $50,000 worth of therapy. Err, um, that's $30,000 after taxes. hehe |
Lisad | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:36 am     The more I think about it, the more I think Ali SHOULD take Erika. One reason is that if she shows ANY bit of decency - she might get an extra vote or 2 for that. Decency would be taking Erika. The Ali/Erika alliance has been pretty in our faces for a LONG time. Ali's hurt now with votes, but if she screws over Erika so very blatantly - that sure will enflame the jury even more than they already will be. It's her one chance to show she isn't the anti-christ incarnate. Or is my logic flawed? |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:40 am     Richard Hatch won Survivor I--if he can win after all the stuff he did to people Ali can win this. As long as people vote by who played the best game in terms of staying in the house and doing what it took to get in the final 2, she can win. |
Wahmmy | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:46 am     Sorry, but I would really love to see Ali with nothing, nada, null, zip! I am not sure how that could happen but, I would love to see someone come up with a solution so that it does occur. Even though playing the game is paramount, I think that we all want to see someone with some redeeming qualities win the money, be it 50K or 500K. |
Justshirley | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:50 am     I also believe that Ali's only chance is against Robert, simply because Dana will not vote for her under any circumstances, and the Jee3 played this entire game being all about the "power" of their alliance. They will exercise the ultimate power by voting as a block against Ali. These four votes represent Ali's defeat. And I actually think that Ali can pull out a win against Robert. But only if she puts an immediate halt to her lying ways. Besides herself, Jun and Erika are probably the smartest players in this game and the ones most likely to keep their emotions out of the final vote and actually consider game-playing skills when they decide on the winner. In other words, they are ideal jury members. These three women all take pride in playing the game well, and Ali really needs to play on that. She needs to stop lying to them and start treating them with the respect they will feel they deserved when they're sitting on the jury. She should spend these next 5 days anticipating the questions she'll likely get from Erika during the jury Q&A and answering them sufficiently NOW, while she has the luxury of doing it in the context of casual conversation instead of an adversarial jury situation. And she needs to do the same with Jun. The question is -- if Alison is indeed the pathological liar in real life that Justin claims her to be, is she even capable of any sort of honest discourse? Will she continue lying simply because she doesn't want to endure the uncomfortable position of having to acknowledge the truth? These next days will tell us whether Ali is the master strategizer that some believe her to be or just a really good pressure competitor and amateur manipulator who's only striving for second place. I, myself, still believe that she is in this to win. And I also believe that she can win, if she does two things: 1) keeps Robert off the jury; and 2) starts treating Erika and Jun like the jury members she plans on making them. |
Pamy | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 12:19 pm     I am so bummed she got the veto! I wanted her to go to the other house and watch Dana and Justin burn carbs for a week!! |
Spunky | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 01:29 pm     At least last year we had someone to cheer for the big win and for me at least it was Lisa and glad she won... but this year, with Erika gone, I don't feel like cheering for none of those three. What a crappy finale! |
Spunky | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:10 pm     Well, I now know she is not happy with the 50k, she's really aiming at the big one!!! Fat chance!! |
Eliz87 | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:22 pm     Well, it's $50K more than she came with. I'd sure be happy with it. |
What555456 | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:35 pm     Spunky I would not be so certain she would not win it all. I do not really think she has any avowed enemies except Dana. And Dana may fall into line so that she is one of the group -- which seems to be very important to Dana. I am not saying I think Ali will win it all if she is in the Final 2 (I am not yet convinced she will be in the Final 2, BTW). All I am saying is I think she has as good a shot as whoever else is there with her. |
Eliz87 | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:40 pm     I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that Dana would ever vote for Alison to win that money. She thinks too much with her heart. (That's not a bad thing, just saying...) Nate would vote for Alison, and Erika just might. Robert, I don't know -- he thinks they're all wh*res or some such -- so who knows about Robert. I don't think Jack would vote for Alison, as he seemingly thinks she's "intolerable." Let's see...who else?? Justin MAY vote for her, if he doesn't let Dana decide for him. So...if it's Jun & Ali in the final two... DANA - Jun NATE - Ali JUSTIN - ??? JACK - Jun JEE - Jun ERIKA - Ali ROBERT - Jun As far as I can see now, that's how it will go unless Jee votes for Ali because Jun didn't go with their alliance (but I think Jee is too grown up for that -- he'll vote for Jun I believe). But, you never know! |
Spunky | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 11:10 am     Again, if she wins HOH then she could be almost sure the Jury will give her the big win. However, Jun's articulate and poised manner when replying to the Jurors questions may ruin Ali's chance at the 500k. I bet you she didn't see the 'other' Jun yet, the one we see in the DR... |
Prisonerno6 | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 11:39 am     "Again, if she wins HOH then she could be almost sure the Jury will give her the big win." I really don't understand this viewpoint. You have to figure there is no way in heck she is getting Dana's or Nate's votes after the way she treated them even after they were out of the house. Robert has said he would vote for either Jun or Erika over Ali. So that's three automatic votes against her no matter who she is up against. Of the remaining four, I doubt Jee would vote for her based on honor -- she has not played the game with honor, instead choosing to lie and to make and break promises. It's doubtful that Erika would vote for her because she would have to break her promise to save Erika in order to make it to the finals. The only votes I see she has a chance of getting are Justin's and Jack's, and that ain't gonna get her the big money. |
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