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Lorry

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
MissApril: Please discuss the HGs, their actions and words... your opinions are as welcome as anyone else's opinions... but we are not here to "flame" one another, nor to demean each other.

We the viewing audience have a vital role in regards to this show. It's a fact that some of our words and ideas are considered by the producers. It is up to us, as a society to voice our distaste at anything over the line. That is NOT being a hypocrit, but rather defending the morals and ethics that will shape the world for our future generations.

The HGs are there to provide the drama, but we must as a society be careful of how far reality can go. We can and should step in when it goes too far. It is not just our right, but our duty.

Just like voting for our elected leaders, if we do not take the opportunity ( the right ) to fashion our future, then we will have to sit back and suck up the consequences... rather, our children will have to suffer for our lack of morals and ethics and ideals.

This show is breaking new ground each day... the limits are being set... and we are the control. JMO

Avrey258

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Agree Cross. Alison and Jun are in the game. They signed up to play this game. This is not to excuse ANYONE for name calling. Unless I missed something I do not believe Robert called Ali and Jun's family vile names.

What is unbelievable to me is that when Jun and Ali found out from Robert that he had called them names, they got so angry about it. I guess they must have forgotten that they used those same names against Robert, Jack, Erika, Dana...amazing.

Kalekona

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Missapril - yes. Ali threw herself at at least three different guys that is Wh..sh behavior, and without a doubt after watching them I'd call them B..tches.

Your logic would have a murders family being murdered as ok because after all their family member is guilty of the same thing so they deserve it.

Missapril

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
we are here to discuss with each other the game and the show. since when did mere opinions become sacred and not subject to challenge? if you can express your distaste, dear, so can anyone else and i for one do not find jun using the same word to describe robert's dauther which he used to describe jun's and ali's and erica's parents daughters anything but legitimate and admirable. someone needs to review the outcome of the most recent presidential election, it seems, and get a grip on reality and how it really works before one let's her 'reality' go to far... maybe it's time for someone to 'step in' when fantasy goes too far, but as for reality, it's not manufactured by naivete or lack of sophistication, so the very idea anyone could, much less should 'step in' when 'it goes to far' (how would that work, now?) is absurd.

Justshirley

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun and Ali calling a 7 year old a b!*ch is legitimate and admirable??!!

Wow. Just wow.

Moderator

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Please be reminded that we are to discuss WITH and not ABOUT each other. Slams against other posters are against the rules of this board, and will not be tolerated.

For the others, please leave the moderating to us. :)

Baymindy

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
IMO there is no excuse for calling a child a name like that, but let's take a look at the situation. No TV, no music, no reading material, no outside communication, no stimuli of any kind at all... for 3 long months. I personally am chalking this behavior up to deprevation and plain old going mad slowly. This has to account for part of the girls poor behavior. Again, just MHO.

Kalekona

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Your talking about a 7 year old child.. your OPIONION is far worse than anything Robert has said or done in this house.. so I would imagine it's ok if someone said the same about your children/future children.. I have to hope you do not have children because if you do and still think the way you do, i'm terrified at what your teaching them.

Are the things robert said right ...NO
But what he said does not justify anyone to say things about his daughter (and both ali and jun have said the same thing) and at least Robert took an oportunity to apologize for what he had said about them, even if it might not have gone far enough HE acted like an adult and owned up to how he was acting..

She is 7 years old, has never met or talked to these females (i'll not call them women) and is 100% innocent in anything having to do with this game.. That little green eyed monster seems to have moved in with Ali and Jun as AC is the onlything that can be connected to Elena.

Lorry

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Again, this is not about you, me or any other poster... it is about two adults demeaning a child. There is just no justification for us as the viewing audience, nor for the HGs to demean anyone outside the game. I am saying no one outside the game should be publicly demeaned for actions taking place inside the game by those adults who agreed to be part of the game.

I am not saying you personally, I am saying we as a group, including you, including me, must not stoop to that level.

You have a right to express your opinion.. in fact you have the same rights as anyone else... but it is also my right, and I feel it is my duty to let the producers know that I as part of this group, do NOT approve of that child being verbally abused publicly by any of the HGs or this website.

That is my opinion. As valid as your opinion. It is not a slam to you nor to anyone... just an opinion.

Spunky

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wait till Robert finds out about what they said about his daughter... When Ali goes to the premiere he'll smash her face... (well, at least he should try...)

Penpoint

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It seems that every year--at least for BB2, BB3, and now Alison and Jun in BB4--the finalists have a sort of melt down. It could be that when they reach the point of knowing that they are the winners (or so close to it), they also realize that they are really no better than the departed HGs, so they proceed to build themselves up by tearing apart the others. In this way they justify in their own minds what they have done in the competition that they probably wouldn't do in their normal lives. I guess I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt--they just couldn't normally be this unlikeable. It may be the pressure of confinement, feeding off each other, and the need to justify their own actions.

Jubale

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Julie Chen should call Jun and Ali out on their name calling, the same way she did Robert, on national TV.

Scorpiomoon

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm...I wonder...if this info gets back to Robert shortly after the show ends, at the cast party, will he be having sex with Michelle (as he claimed he would be) or beating the crap out of Ali?

Alexia

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, I know I will get slammed for this comment but such is life. I find it ironicly funny that everybody's so upset and shocked with Ali and Jun's trashing of Rob when during the voting of the last AC there were people who were posting that they were specificly voting for Robert to win for the sole purpose of getting Ali and Jun so mad at him that neither would dream of taking Robert with them into the F2.

JMHO But we as viewers/voters reap what we sow and should take responsibility for the part we played in this. (and yes, I agree it was a small part, but it was still a part)

Muse

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think calling Elena that is right up there with some of the worst things any BB houseguests have ever done. I'm really disappointed in Jun...I know she could trashtalk with the rest of them, but I didn't think she was quite so vicious. Elena is outside of the game (someone she doesn't even *know*), and also a little girl.

I'm also really sad to see Ali and Jun attacking Robert's daughter (and his relationship with her) since I think it's one of the few really good things about him.

Every season many (okay, most) HGs will make whoever they want to evict into the "villain" to justify their decision and logic, and to feel better about themselves. It's kind of interesting from a psychological perspective, but also a little awful to watch (especially when they stoop so low).

Crossfire

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There is some truth in that.

Spunky

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jubale,

Ali already feels Julie slammed her on national tv with her "bed hopping" or "bed mate" or "bed buddies" remark.

Ali is just a smokescreen for Jun's subtle actions, Jun's stirring sh.it in the house will be overlooked when Ali is so blatantly malicious.

Avrey258

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So...by voting for Robert to win America's Choice it is "our" fault Ali and Jun called his 7 yr. old daughter a b!tch? Yeah, that makes sense. Sounds like something Ali and Jun will say to justify themselves.

Jubale

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok then ...let Julie call Jun out on the show. Fair play for the name calling going on in there, not just a 7 year old (dispicable in any case) but for all the comments about the other HG's...pervert Jack, gay Nate.

Boberg

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What Alexia said is true..many here did say they voted for Robert to get AC because they wanted to make Ali and Jun upset...
Those that had that goal succeeded and I think Alexia is saying how ironic it is if any of them are now here complaining about how Ali and Jun are behaving.

Seamonkey

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think what they are reacting to is Robert's USE of his daughter as a device to gain sympathy and even power.

Indeed the three America's Choice wins indicate that he has gained a great deal of sympathy with the public.

He also bragged to them that Elena was helping him to win over them. This bragging came after his internet chat when he told them of people congratulating him for his father role and recovering alcoholic role.

This doesn't excuse name calling at all (and I haven't found or heard where Jun called Elena a
b!tch, but know of two instances where ALI used that word) but I do believe their anger stems from Robert's and the producers' use of Elena and the white butterfly image.

I tend to feel more anger toward Ali because she is still playing both sides actively, still encouraging Robert in some ways, and feeding stuff to him and then being irate when Jun reports what Robert said to her and misrepresenting what she said to Robert. Jun is being pretty straight with Ali.

And, Robert certainly did NOT apologize for the words he used. He reported that Julie had called him out on "national tv" much to his chagrin, but he seemed almost proud of it.

Bluejaxrock

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Missapril, I think you miss the point that Elena is a CHILD, not an adult. Those two so-called adults (A&J) are fully responsible for their actions and words; the child can't be held responsible for her father's actions/words.
As to A&J being someone's daughter, I personally would be ashamed to admit parenting these two. They apall me.

Llkoolaid

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't want Julie to bring this out in the open on TV. Elena may see it.

Alexia

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Boberg is correct. I never said it was our fault that they are calling her a b!tch, I don't condone or justify that at all. Its their overall behavior towards Rob that is being complained about that is ironic when they knew that would be the result and wanted to make sure it happened. Not necessarily saying that anybody who has complained so far is one of the ones who voted for Robert but it is highly likely and THAT I find ironicly funny to say the least.

Katlady53

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Llkoolaid, I agree. I don't want Julie to bring Jun's comment out in the open either cuz Elena might see it. Hopefully, Elena's mother knows about it, though, and will be waiting for Jun when she leaves the house...........