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Maris

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 09:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The only way to save Erika is to say this is not a golden veto, the veto holder cannot save herself and can only save the other person on the block. In that case, Ali makes a deal with Erika not to use the veto and Erika votes Jun out.

Grannyg

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good thinking Maris, I love your idea!!

Mouse

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Last night, Ali asked Rob and Erika to dance for her. He said he would but, not right now. She said ok but asked that they do it before Wedensday. Sounds like she has made up her mind that Erika is going. Erika looked sad after this.

Flamingo

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 09:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Expect the Unexpected. All we can hope is that the Diamond Veto may include a twist, and perhaps the vote to evict goes to the HOH and not the POV holder. Arnie in the past has said that he didn't want POV to be more powerful than HOH (which in this case it certainly is).

Torch

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There's an interesting discussion on this board whether Robert can nominate himself or not. I think BB would let him do it, unless it implicitly says in the rules he can't. Why not, they would love the twist?

This is what I posted in the other thread;
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If Robert could nominate himself I could see this scenario happening.

Alison uses the veto on herself, so Robert then puts himself up. Then if Erica voted Jun out and Alison voted Robert out there would be a tie. As HOH Robert would break the tie by voting Jun out.

I don't think Robert would think of it even if it were possible though. And if possible, would he put himself on the line to save Erica?

AND, if he did, what would Erica do?

I would like to see it though just to see how the house would react.

Gina8642

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
While the chance of Ali winning the 500k over any of the other three is slim, I still think her best bet is over Jun, especially if Ali can show everyone she did all the hard work at the end and carried Jun there. The Jun/Ali alliance was Ali's idea in the first place.

Still, I'm not convinced that Ali will necesisarily choose to evict Erika. If Ali truly believes she cannot win the 500k overy anybody, she may choose to bring Erika. I think, though I can't be sure, that she truly likes Erika the most out of the remaining HGs.

Spunky

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's Robert who screwed up Erika really bad, he jumped the gun and allied with Erika telling Jun all about it and not only that, gettin Jun to agree to boot Ali.

All Jun has to do is tell Ali what they were up to (she won't tell her about her own agreement to do the same). Robert may have in fact helped Ali get rid of Erika.

So, if he could at least realize it and he did care about Erika, he would try to convince Ali that the Jury won't vote for her in the end and that he'll be gone as well leaving Jun and Ali as the finalist. Jun would win.
But if she takes Erika the jury will see she acted unselfish and may give her the 500k..
Robert should try anyway if he really cared about Erika... otherwise I'm convinced he's happy to see Erika go before him... as he always meant to..

Katlady53

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 03:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hadn't been online since yesterday afternoon and didn't know Ali won POV until today. I'm heartsick. Absolutely heartsick. I should learn not to take this stuff so personally. Grrrr.

Meggieprice

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 03:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Katlady- as usual, I knew how you would feel!

I think it would be risky for Jun to tell Ali what they were up to because why didn't she tell her before the POV competition?

Polypody

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 05:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wish there were a way to save Erika--but it doesn't look good unless BB comes up with a twist before Wednesday.
Sunday -while the girls were away for the blimp ride-you could really see that Erika seems almost resigned to the fact that she is going, even though Robert is constantly telling her she will be OK and that he is working on a plan to keep her in.
I never thought I would say it--but Robert is so sweet with her. I was hoping they would (GASP) reunite! But Erika seems more level-headed than that and is keeping him at bay.
But it was so much fun watching the two of them alone. It was nice last night listening to them talk about REAL things rather than "game talk."

Seamonkey

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 05:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought they did quite alot of game talk too.. and some monumental trashing and calling Jun a liar for telling Ali the truth.. amazing stuff.

I - almost - feel sorry for Rob because I think he actually thinks he has a chance to get back together with Erika but she is just playing a good game of not quite discouraging him and letting him dream on.

Kinda mean, but I don't want to believe that Erika is actually falling for his stuff and would ever get together with him again.. I bet her mom is shouting at the screen NO, Erika, NO!!

I agree that Rob has possibly blown it for her but he's also trying like crazy to convince Ali her only chance is to evict Jun. And Ali might be leaning that way, very hard to tell Ali is loving keeping everyone on pins n needles.

But I'd have to say that Erika did opt to go in with Rob, or at least to let him believe that and then let him go on and tell Jun with her present so Jun knows that Erika was aware of his plan at that time to get Ali out (before Ali won pov)

She did tell Rob if she is booted, or if she doesn't win first or second and he does, then he owes her $20K to pay her bills off.

Personally, I want Erika booted, but for you who don't, I don't think she's a goner at this point but as she says, who can tell with Ali??

Marybeth

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 06:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My thoughts on Ali & Rob's convo in HOH yesterday, one of her reasons (think it is the only reason she said) for keeping Jun is she threatened not to vote for Ali if she kicks Jun out.

Erica should suggest to Ali NOT to use the DPOV and Erica will do the dirty work and vote Jun out. Ali would love saving "face".

Marybeth

Marybeth

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 06:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Erica can still save herself.

Erica can suggest to Ali NOT to use the DPOV and Erica will do the dirty work and vote Jun out. Ali would love saving "face".

I think everyone is making so many combinations of the votes at the end, they are not looking at the options they have with the POV. And who know's what the "D" means yet.

Marybeth

Midji

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 07:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw on BigBrotherLink that the POV meeting was yesterday and that, of course, Ali took herself off the block. She will now decide who goes on Wednesday!

Justshirley

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 07:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Midji, I also saw that posted at another site yesterday (referencing BigBrotherLink, as well) and I'm fairly positive that it was an erroneous report. Ali and Jun were out of the house most of the day for their blimp reward.

Plus, I would assume that the PoV meeting will take place live again this week.

Spygirl

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 07:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There was no POV meeting yesterday for sure.

Kalekona

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I no longer want to save Erika.. here she is with Robert and telling him if he wins he owes her $20 thousand and yet she is demanding that both Ali and Jun promise NOT to take Robert to the finals.

For once the guy is doing the right thing and being the most honest and loyal one in the house and he's gonna get the shaft if Erika stays...

I really wanted an Erika Robert F2 now i want Jun and Robert.

Vskatefan

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I do believe Robert is being mainly sincere this week, but I can understand why Erika is doing/saying what she is. She was apparently pretty burned by the guy. I can understand why she would still be wary of Robert. Also, what she is saying to Ali and Jun could be just a bunch of BS, trying to make the girls think that she and Robert are not in any alliance.

Kennyb

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It would be sweet if they could convince her not to use the power of veto--then double cross HER and boot her to the curb!That would be some gamesmanship a'la Kirby!!

What555456

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't understand the personal attacks on Ali. While I do not like her as a person, I have not seen anything she has done that is not just good strong game-playing. She has not intentionally hurt anyone personally -- except to take actions to get them evicted. She has not been particularly mean-spirited. Indeed, I do not see where she has been mean at all.

I understand if people want someone else to win that they may be frustrated with Ali's strength and her game playing. But I see no reason to attack her personally as if she is evil.

I don't think she has shown herself to be that way. Indeed, I would put her game playing skills on the par with Will's and Dani's -- even if both of them had different personalities.

BTW -- I disagree that she cannot win the $500K. I think the others may realize she has not been all that evil and admire her for her game playing. She only needs 4 votes -- and right now I think she may get Nate's, Jack's and even Erica's or Jun's. I also think Justin might lean her way. Indeed, outside of Dana, I do not see anyone who is simply anti-Ali for the sake of being anti-Ali.

Meggieprice

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Erika needs to put her vote for Ali into question if Ali boots her- "The only way I would vote against you is if you betray me" That is the tactic Jun has used- d'uh- the obvious one to use on Ali. Ali beliieves Erika will vote for her even if she boots her- that is a big motivator.

Kalekona

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Vskatefan - i understand her being burnt and game play and all that but she came off that lounge chair so fast and in no uncertain terms said not to let robert go to the final 2.

Does this prove she is vindictive as they said she was? You bet. But that wasn't what was so distastful it was all the talk that his daughter didn't need the money.

Ali whinning about paying for school.. all i could think of is Wow maybe Elana might want an education too..

Mkcantjump

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What555, I totally agree with you about Ali. She is not the worst or best person in the house, in my opinion. She has a perfect right to try for the win.

Crazydog

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that she has the right to try and win, but I fell off the Alison train when she so ruthlessly betrayed Nathan. I can't believe that he saved her with the veto and the first thing she did was run to the Stooges and ensure that they would not evict her the following week.

And then she acts so casually dismissive about him to Julie ("He's on his own") and doesn't even give him a sympathy vote or acknowledge how much he helped her.

Crazydog

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I also wanted to say that I really despised Alison after that thing she said to Jee and Robert in the kitchen with that really ugly expression - "I cannot wait to go in there and say - 'I. vote. to. evict. [huge pause, ugly face, stick butt out] ERIKA.' " Ugh.