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Onlyhuman

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 01:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
((Tobor7))

Thanks, I needed that today!

Blue2

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 01:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Those whom live in glass houses......

You can see some cam shots from today (and past) if you like from live feed at Jun's fan site:

www81x.com/bb4/junbug

cheers

Tobor7

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 01:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Only! Did you survive the east coast storm??
Are you ok??

Beruthiel

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 06:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oops! This was so far down I thought everyone had been in that CBS thread all night!

I hope everyone who was affected by the storm came through safe, sound and relatively unscathed. It was front page news in our paper about how bad it was, and the first thing I thought of was hoping that none of our members came to harm.
Hugs to all of you who had to go through that scary stuff.

Earthmother

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 06:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd also like to know if they are going to watch the shows as a group or individually. Since they won't watch the shows until after their vote do Ali and Jun get to see the shows too? The info gained from these shows will serve no purpose in the vote, only to confront others on things they have done and said. I'd hate to think that the two finalists wouldn't have the same opportunity or that they wouldn't get to see and hear themselves in action.

Monalisahi

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 07:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Only,
I've remembered something else that Jun did that will probably upset Ali. Jun helped Rob study for POV and was plotting to get Ali out.

The thing is, they really don't know what all made the show and I bet Jun is scared. As I said, Ali is in such denial about herself, I think she is just pretending to be worried now. Now, that may seem to conflict with my opinion that it is important to Ali that everybody love her, but I honestly believe she doesn't think she does anything wrong.....so why should they hate her. Does that make any sense?

Onlyhuman

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mona, I completely get what you mean about Ali. Yes, she wants everyone to love her, but when they don't, she can easily delude herself that it is someone else's doing or that she is being wronged because, of course, she never does anything wrong. Her reaction to Justin's statements that he is not attracted to her and that he never wants to see her again is an excellent example.

I still can't help thinking that they will not be embarassed or ashamed by any game moves they made, since I think that they all have a pretty healthy respect for that component. The two exceptions to that are Justin & the J3's agreement with Ali to protect themselves at Dana's expense, which they ALL adamantly lied about and even attacked Dana for doubting them on, and Jee's alliance with Jun. If they already came clean about these things in the jury house (and I'm not sure they have) then they are obviously not a big deal, but if they've continued to lie about them, I can see a little fireworks erupting out of that.

I really think that the stuff that will push the most buttons is the name calling. What's more, I think it will be the unexpected name calling that gets to people. Dana will expect Ali to have trashed her (and Ali will expect the same in return) but, unless the guys have informed Dana of the things that Jun said, that will come like a body blow to Dana. I'm trying to figure out who else will be shocked and the only one I can figure is that Robert will be hurt by Jee's comments to Justin about Robert not pulling his weight. Other than that, the nastiness in the house will be pretty expected, so the more I think about it, I'm not sure that there will be as much "calling out" as the producers might hope.

Justareader

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
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Monalisahi

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 10:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Only, OHHHHHH, I definitely agree that their will be some surprised looks and possibly even some words among several of them. I think there will be some "splainin to do." And I really don't even want to hear the 3 hr explanation Jee will give to Robert.

But since most of them have already been reunited and have had some time to discuss things while not still competing, I think it will be easier for those.

I think Jun is going to really panic about seeing the hg's since she has no idea what they know, what they are going to see, etc. She hasn't had any "down-time" with them after the game yet to get comfortable or even prepare them.

I still think much of last night's crying has to do with this. She knows what she's said. I'm not saying that she thinks what she did was wrong or right. I just think she doesn't want the confrontation.

Yes, Dana will expect Ali to have trash talked her, but Dana will still be mad and Dana is definitely confrontational. We've seen how Dana is when she's upset and trying to hold it in...LOL. I wonder if Dana will have some words for Jun too for her goodbye. And I wonder if Dana knows about the hottub scene or the bed scene between Justin and Ali.

I think what Nate went and said to Jee3 will perhaps surprise some too, unless they've all talked about it.

I think Ali's plotting will bother some, unless they've compared notes.

I would think that Jack and Erika have talked everything out. And those 2 really didn't do much other than when Erika was upset at Jee and what she said about the girls in the blimp. I think Ali is going to be really upset with Erika and not even consider the things she said herself about Erika.

I think Ali and Jun are going to have a harder time than the others at explaining because they were the worst and they haven't had the time to mend fences (providing they would have if given the opportunity).

It's hard for me to remember what's been on the show and what's been on the LF's.

I think there are going to be some questions to answer by all hg's. But I still think Jun is going to have the hardest time facing the others because of her fear of confrontation <my perception of her>. Jun has said her parents were very traditional and it's possible she was raised to be very meek. I'm guessing she is going to also have a hard time facing her parents, and rightly so, IMO. But, she made her own bed, and now she's going to have to lie in it.

Oh good grief, even I'm starting to feel sorry for Jun now....LOL

<This is the best conversation I've had here>

Eliz87

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't really see anything that Jun has done that would shame her parents, unless they would be bothered by gossiping.

Seanflynn2003

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 11:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I mentioned this on another post, but it is relevant to this.
Jun said something very revealing last night. She said that last summer that she went with her parents to an oceanside house. Her mother told her she had a curfew! (Jun was 27 yo then). Jun of course didn't agree, but still....
Allison has had a lot more experience with parents supporting her in competition. Jun was a child effectively abandoned by her parents early on, has had to deal with being an emigrant, conquered serious weight problems, had a long relationship that ended not so well, and still has managed to apparently find some success in life. Now she is up against a younger beauty queen type who has had it pretty easy in life and has the support of her parents. Both have issues with their exes -- Jee I thought was insensitive throughout to Jun in talking about "my girl" -- but Jun, being Asian, being older, not having the same amount of conventional sex appeal, having what unfortunately can be the disadvantage of a brain, is dealing with a lot more issues.
She put herself out there; for her, not winning the $500,000 when she clearly thinks she has played the better game (against greater odds) will be a blow, not just financially, but in her self-image.

Eliz87

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 11:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If her self-image is that much of a problem, $500K isn't going to help much, especially if she feels guilty over some of the things she has said.

Seanflynn2003

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Money does not trump self-image problems, but the absense of the problems that arise from not winning is a good thing

Monalisahi

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eliz,
Remember that she said her parents are very traditional, here are a few things that I would think they may be upset about:
Toe sucking
sex talk
having a couple of abortions
language
Unwarranted verbal attacks on a little girl


Actually, these are also things I would have a problem with my daughter for......LOL.

Onlyhuman

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow, Sean, that is something that I had not considered but it really rings true. In many ways, Jun has said some pretty harsh things about Ali's tactics and manipulations, and it leads me to believe she is resentful of the beauty queen type (young, blonde, fit, rather shallow) and the way things seem to come easier to them than to people like Jun. Going back to Nathan's immediate rejection of Jun as a bed partner but then his relationships with the two blonde girls in the house, I can see where Jun might have felt that she was already the underdog in the house.

Losing to Ali at this point COULD really damage her already fragile self-esteem. She would have to wonder if she had been a different physical type, could she have gotten more votes and be credited with being the better player.

Onlyhuman

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 11:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eliz87, I don't think that the MONEY is what will help her self esteem, but the fact that she won over the beauty pageant type, in spite of the fact that the other girl was able to sexually manipulate the men in a way that Jun was never able to do.

Sometimes it's not what you win, it's who you beat and what kind of obstacles you have to overcome that are more meaningful

Monalisahi

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sean, Many here have said that Jun is a strong independent woman....and I just haven't seen it.

I think she does have self esteem issues. When she realized she wasn't as hot as the other women in the house, she immediately started pointing out their flaws <behind their backs, of course>. But, I've personally never liked those who have to build themselves up by putting others down.

Hamsterlady

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 12:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, if you're out there and see this, check this out: http://junsong.bravehost.com/

Your graphic looks cool there!

Carrie92

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Agree, Mona... but I sometimes like to give her the benefit of the doubt... she seemed to do a lot more bashing, or harsher bashing anyway when she was doing it with Ali. Although it seems kind of high school-ish, sometimes that kind of talk can be contagious, especially when you are trying to gain favor/approval from someone.

Wendo

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hamsterlady, I tried, but the site has exceeded its bandwidth. Will have to wait. Cool that people liked our graphic though!

Bastable

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am proud to announce that I have just discovered that on Friendster.com, I have only two degrees of Separation from Marcellas from BB3! (And, it turns out, all of the Queer Eye guys and half the cast of Boy Meets Boy--what is it with gay guys and Internet socializing?)

I am not so proud to report that Marcellas wrote his entire profile with the Caps Lock on.

Monalisahi

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 03:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Anybody here watching the LF's when they came back on? What was Jun's tone? Was she still using that "poor, pitiful me" tone she was using last night and today?

Ezgoing

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 03:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mona, it was such a brief period of time before we got FOTH again so I may be wrong in this, but to me, Jun was NOT in that same mood after the interview as she was before it. If she WAS still that way, it certainly wasn't obvious, IMHO. Hope that helps. Anyone else out there that was listening?

Onlyhuman

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 03:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mona, they have a clip of it over at Joker's.

From listening to it, it sounded like Jun was back to her rather more pragmatic self. When Ali was whining that she didn't like the fact that the jury was laughing, Jun said that she really didn't think they were laughing at them that they were just having fun, but even if they were, there was nothing Jun & Ali could do about it.

From that little bit, it seemed that Jun was treated a little better than ALi was, but it may just have been her relief at getting it over with!

Blue2

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 03:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun had a meeting with John this morn which made her feel better. She was also told that Dr. Zachary would be there to talk to her later today. Originally yesterday when they realized they were locked out of DR they found out they no longer have access to DR or anyone to talk to.. on top of that inwas only days ago they were told they have to spend another week in the house.

Everyone who is so vicious and mean with their posts regarding these girls flabbergasts me. Let's see any of you locked up in a house for 3 mths, no tv, phone, music, reading material, contact with loved ones, locked in a compound .. along with the stress of playing a game with no rules against a bunch of people you don't know and many of whom you don't particularly like.

Arnold Shapiro was told by CBs they wanted 2 more shows. They could have filled that with fluff, so much live feed stuff that didn't go on the air. It was stoopiing pretty low of them to make these girls stay in there another week.

It also amazes me you sit here and criticize them for cutting up other people in the house, when you are sitting here cutting them up. Everyone talks about the people around them, it is human nature I guess, and what else do they have to do?

Shame on the criticizm of them and their game. You show me a game where everyone is nice to each other, doesn't lie, stays with true alliances, and I'll show you a bunch of losers who won't make it to the end and a show that will be cancelled for utter boredom and lack of strategy.