Archive through September 12, 2003
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Archive through September 12, 2003
C1mag | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:40 pm     THANK GOD watching got it! Two thumbs up!! There is life on this board and it's name is Watching2 |
Mandeeh | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:41 pm     OK everyone: What do you say we play a game called Alison's debate Thread? You tell me what you think of the way Ali has been playing BB4 (not how she "really" is since I dont know her from Adam and you'd have an unfair advantage)and I will tell you what I think about the way she has played the game. Then we can have a debate back and forth with everyone being nice to everyone!! Sound like fun? |
C1mag | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:45 pm     Shoot mandeeh you mean we can't just slide on in here and release our anger over that girl Ali? We actually have to talk about the way she is playing a game on TV? I'm all for that. Like I've said before... based on the rules she has played just about every hand there is in this game and she keeps coming out on top. I'd easily give her the money and not look back. It amazed me how they all aknowledge that she shouldn't be trusted but each side of the house played right along with her and each time she bit them and she advanced on. She dared to play the game. I love it. |
Mandeeh | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:49 pm     I love it, too C1!! I might even dare to say...oops I better whisper.. that she has played a better game than Will... Oh good I wasnt struck by lightning. The reason I say this is because he told everyone he was gonna lie, but with Alison everyone has caught her in a lie and they still trust her!! I am gonna ROFLMAO if she wins the 500K. |
Watching2 | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:53 pm     C1 - I PROMISE YOU - I'll take you to the finals with me. hehehehe |
K9lover1 | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:57 pm     It may only be a game, but there is some serious money involved and no matter how I try to justify her "game", I just can't be happy over the fact that she is probably going to walk away with it. I'd like to see that plasma screen going 24/7 playing clips of all the secret conversations going on in the house. Then we'd have some real drama. Would make Scott's little outburst seem like something you would give a 2 year old a time out for. |
K9lover1 | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:58 pm     Was that a 99% sure promise Watching2? |
K9lover1 | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:00 pm     And one more thing as long as I'm on a rampage here . . I don't like the idea that the jury is being shielded from seeing the truth about the people that they are voting for. |
Wendo | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:04 pm     C1mag, good to see ya man! You're posts always have me laughing. LOL! Too bad you weren't here last night when Jun lost early and Rob just gave up during the endurance competition. Mandeeh, I'll tell you one thing I like I about Ali's game playing this season. Her "never give up" attitude. When she's been nominated (or thinks she's going to be nominated) she doesn't wallow and get all bummed out. Instead, she convinces herself that she's going to win the POV or win the next HOH, etc. Most of the other HG's never displayed that kind of attitude. |
Wendo | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:08 pm     Oh, and to add, how about Rob now trusting Ali to go to the end. Last week, it was, She has to go, she doesn't deserve the money. Now, he gives up an HOH without even getting a solid deal from Ali. Just a promise that she would CONSIDER taking him if she won the last HOH. All this from Rob after she voted Jack out over Erika, as well as the rest of his dream team. |
Mandeeh | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:08 pm     That is very cute!! LOL But if you had read what I wrote it said everyone can be nice to everyone (meaning we fellow debaters)not speak nice about Alison. I thought a debate was 2 or more people expressing their views about a subject, in this case Alison, I didnt know this was the thread where you had to be an Alison hater and want to argue about anything and everything thread. I clicked on Big Brother in order to get here so I was under the asumption that we would be debating Alison from Big Brother and what she does on the show. I didnt click on the Alison Irwin's Life show where any and every subject on Alison was going to be discussed. Once again, I'd rather debate Big Brother 4 and the houseguests on the show than facts or non-facts about their "real lives." If you'd like though I will open a thread called Alison Irwin: facts about her life in PA even though we don't know her. |
Watching2 | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:10 pm     K9 - That's 99.1% SURE. I PROMISE! |
Mandeeh | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:14 pm     Hi Wendo! I have liked her from the moment I saw the show because she is funny! That doesnt mean that I agree with all the things she says and does. I like her outgoing personality and I have always said that this show would be so boring without her. I like the fact that she is so unpredictable, even we live feed watchers dont know what she's gonna do. She was right when she said "I am the unexpected." |
Woodpecke® | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:17 pm     What a lively thread. My cup of tea. I need to stop in more often. Actually, I'm a little late. Alison can't win the big one. Too bad. According to C1, "I think she has played this game out and deserves that 500k." If you believe that, I have some books about Roddy's religious theories/playing strategy that I'll sell you dirt cheap. |
Moderator | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:18 pm     Closing this thread for cleanup. |
Mandeeh | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:19 pm     I kinda wish the jury could see everything, too. Then they would know that Alison is just as guilty as everyone else in the house, and that she is not always the instigator |
Moderator | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:32 pm     This thread has very cleary defined rules. These threads are to debate your opinions pro and con of the character of the Houseguests. This does include their game playing skills (or lack thereof if the case may be). Keep in mind that we are discussing the one named characters being portrayed in an artificial environment, keep the real life person out of it, we don’t truly know the real people. This is just what it says. If you are unable to separate the person outside of the house (that we know nothing or little of) from the person they seem to be inside the house, then it may be best for you to not participate in this thread. No where on TVCH is it acceptable to do that, however. If you choose to defend a favorite houseguest in one of these threads don’t let yourself get emotionally hammered. Every houseguest has at least one defender who can emotionally detach themselves, if you can’t do that, stay out of these threads. Please review. No bashing of fellow posters will be tolerated. Language standards will be enforced. These are not complete free-fire zones and vile posts will be moderated. Please debate the issues, not each other. Any direct comments cutting down other's opinions, attacking different views, or being otherwise sarcastic about issues will be removed. This is a good debate, we just need to keep it honest. Two whole archives of posts had to be removed because they could not be cleaned up. Thank you for your time! |
Gina8642 | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:02 pm     This is my third BB here on this board. Every year it is pretty much the same. As it comes down to crunch time, with very few HGs left - these types of threads start to get very, very, intense. My first year is was Nicole. Most bashed, a few defended. Last year, it was Danielle. Same thing, perhaps the defenders were more vocal. This year we have Alison. Once again, same discussions. Same tempers. Same need for the mod.s to step in. To me, it is the exact same thing. You'd think we'd learn - but not yet. Pretty funny really. LOL |
Baymindy | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:56 pm     Maybe this should go on the fan thread, not sure as I am not a "fan" of Alisons, but this girl has played the heck out of this game and deserves it all... lock, stock and barrel. And she gets better at it every week! Works hard on concentrating on comps, both physical and mental.Tells her fellow houseguest whatever they want to hear. Lets nothing get passed her. Unfortunatly she may not win, as Danielle before her, due to the jury's personal opinion of her. IMHO it would truly be a shame if the win went to one of the others. |
Imz | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 12:12 am     One of the defining characteristics of this game is the fact that the last seven evicted HGs vote to determine the winner. No matter how smart or athletic you are, if you don’t get at least four votes, you lose. Considering her strength and intelligence, Ali could have easily survived as long as she has without making as many enemies in the sequester house. In this sense, she has played a poor game. Ali is nothing more than the last of many horses that have carried Jun closer and closer to the grand prize. Go Robert! |
Wendo | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 12:37 am     Imz said, "Considering her strength and intelligence, Ali could have easily survived as long as she has without making as many enemies in the sequester house. In this sense, she has played a poor game." <Please avoid sarcasm directed at others. Thanks, Mods.> Until the final 2 are determined, Q&A'd by the jury, and the jury votes it cannot be said definitively. At this point, the only clear enemy that Ali seems to have is Dana. The others haven't expressed any clear dislike and hatred of Ali at all. Or that they wouldn't give Ali a vote to win the half million dollars. And, if Jun and Ali ARE the final 2, I think Ali has a chance to win. Jun's chances are better, I agree, but I do not believe it will be a blow out as some have suggested. |
Bondmaiden | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:42 am     Ali has played an excellant game, 2nd only to the good doctor himself. I don't think she will win but for such a young girl, she is amazing. I am amused by the people who seem to know what she is like back in P.A., they really don't. I'm even more amused by the people who cut their live feeds after she won the diamond veto. It wasn't because the show was boring or the HGs didn't stack up to former HGs, it was because Ali wasn't voted out of the house, and their favorites were. That to me is the most childish behavior of all. |
Seamonkey | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:47 am     I'd say Jack is also a clear enemy. He didn't have much good to say about her. Jee was also pretty disgusted. These two are people who expressed those feelings, not in a game context, but just in general. Justin doesn't seem to have tons of respect for her, which is why he told his team members to use Ali but not to trust her and to team up with Erika rather than Ali if they had the chance. Jee and Robert ignored this advice, tried to use Ali but ended up losing that one and insisted on putting Erika up again. Both admitted later that they didn't listen to Justin. I don't think there will be a blowout.. in fact Jun said that to Ali today that the two of them in F2 could result in either one winning but it probably wouldn't be a landslide. |
Bondmaiden | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 03:15 am     I agree that Justin warned his crew about Ali. The thing is, he came in the house bashing her and I felt that was pretty typical of young couples who break up. Nobody really knows what their relationship was like. I do think Justin was every bit as cocky as Ali. He probably never invisioned himself leaving before her, he was wrong. Young, loud, cocky girls are never suppose to beat the town sports hero, oh well. |
Missapril | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 05:08 am     <Please don't comment about other posters. Thanks. Mods.> Ali's whining and begging and traumatized reaction to being nominated every time was as predictable as, well, as predictable as alison is in general (on the show of course... i'm sure she's MUCH different in real life...). She's played poorly and it's more than obvious she has earned the disrespect, ire and soon-to-be karmic inevitability of the sequestered houseguests almost to a man/woman. |
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