Demsome | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 02:56 pm     I for one have never said anything about his parenting skills or doubted his love and devotion for his daughter. I would never second guess his worth to his family or society. All I know of the man is what he has said on camera. I DO know I have heard him talk horribly about women which does offend me. But like I said before all of the houseguests have said very negative things. The thing is they KNOW that things they say are heard by people on the internet and yet still say these things. Since they are all reasonably intellegent people don't they know they are going to be judged on the things they say? |
Whit4you | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 02:57 pm     C1mag - I personally know dozens of parents who were great parents but then went through a period where they were not (like those spending 14 hours a day on the net when they got addicted to it) and I do think for anyone overcoming an addiction of any kind they do deserve praise. It's NOT easy. Since you are a saint you can't relate, but for anyone who's been through an addiction they can attest to that fact. I understand that you think that you can judge him as a parent based on what you've seen in that house - hopefully you understand that I think it's wrong to do so. Since your judging parents, hopefully you'd think that a parent wouldn't want someone to judge someone based on limited knowledge, past mistakes, and so on. Clearly he wasn't an active alcholic for years since Erika said he was just heading in that direction when they were together. So from my understanding he didn't spend years getting to rock bottom. |
Earthmother | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 02:57 pm     I'm actually finding Robert rather endearing this last few days given the company he's keeping. I'm actually starting to like him (OMG, I'm goin to hell}. I think his concern for Erika is very cute, and he has treated all of these women with respect irregardless of perhaps his true feelings. Yes, he is probably expecting to get their votes in the end, but truthfully he will already have Dana, Justin and Jee without even trying, so he could be treating them disrespectfully if he wanted to. His like or dislike of women has little or nothing to do with love for his child. I know quite a few men who are wonderful fathers, but lousy husbands and boyfriends...Give the guy some credit. |
C1mag | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 02:58 pm     Whit I think you miss my point. As a parent the only thing I know of Rob is that he has a daughter he says he loves but admits that for a period of time she saw him as nothing but a drunk. Fantastic he finally gave up drinking. I'd give him praise in that department real fast. What I do know about him in regard to his daughter is that he's 33 not 23 and when the chips are down he attacks the female gender in general. It's a lousy role model to his daughter. I'm not impressed that Robert finally got his act together. In fact I say it's about time. The real praise will always go to the father that from beginning to end was there through thick and thin. I think it's great that he desires to be a part of his daughters life but in no way does he get some father of the year award just for saying he loves his daughter. The same good father mentions partying in regard to spending the winnings. The same good father has offered lodging to two single men without considering it's impact on his daughter. Not the brightest moves for a so called good daddy. Rob obviously still has some prioritizing to do in the daddy department. Again you can't skirt around his own comments when talking about his parenting skills or possibly his LACK of parenting skills. I don't put him at the bottom of the barrel but I sure don't look at him as some fine example of parenthood either. Kudos to him for not totally trashing his life with the booze. Hope he really begins to understand that there is a lot more to parenting than just staying sobber and saying he loves her. |
Kalekona | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 03:02 pm     " he's finally doing what is expected of him"? Just where do you get that comment from...you have no idea at all what he did before. Erika has said he was a good father when they were together so that tells me contrary to your view he was a good father except for one point in his life.. and he saw what was happening and did something about it. THAT IS WHAT A GOOD PARENT does. I understand you have no love for Robert but i think you biased view at everything he does just may say something more about you than it does about robert. As a mother a loving father who shows women respect and concideration when with them (regaurdless of what he says with his buddys) is a 100 % better than a poor father who only has nice things to say about women. Roberts actions tell much more about him than his words do. But I understand you form a supervisial view of a HG based on how they act secluded with strangers for three months rather than taking what has been said about him by those that know him. |
C1mag | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 03:03 pm     Oh and I feel the same about his game play right now. He's doing an excellent job today. He's right on time with my earlier prediction about how he would do in this game. I said he'd be a candidate for the finals as one of two to take to the finals. |
Kalekona | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 03:05 pm     i think Roberts entire game would have been different if not for the eX factor and the original 8 If he had come in as an equal we would have seen a different Robert. |
Whit4you | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 03:08 pm     C1Mag - I might agree with you but it's been made clear by Erika (and she disliked him so no reason for HER to exaggerate IN his favor) that he was just beginning to have a drinking problem when they were together... so clearly he didn't spend years as a drunk worthless parent. The best guestimate would be under two years and based on the reactions of his ex-wife clearly he wasn't some horrible abusive dad even then. I don't like Robert, but I also don't like people attacking him in such a VILE manner as to imply he's not a good father - because honestly that's as bad or worse than anything that's come out of his mouth since it's unfair, uncalled for, unjust, probably unwarranted and hateful. And unlike some here - I don't believe two wrongs make a right. It's my bet that there are 10's of thousands of children out there who'd rather their dad be like Robert than like the dad they are living with now... (or that they've never seen) I never had a dad to shed a tear for missing me... even seeing Robert as perhaps his worse, I would have taken him as a dad. |
C1mag | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 03:11 pm     Kale he says he was drunk a good portion of the time when she was younger. What so good about that? He's finally sobber. So now he is doing what is expected of him. Thats what I meant by that comment. It doesn't take some great analytical mind to seperate the two. I test your theory that you truly believe that it's impossible to define these people secluded because some of your analytical thougts on other hg's suggest you don't exactly feel that way. Yours is perhaps a "bias" in favor for Rob seen as someone who gets too much grief on this board. |
C1mag | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 03:13 pm     Whit I have not said he is a "bad" father at the present time. However I disagreed with the statement he is to be comended for finally at some point doing what is expected of him. I hope he continues to grow towards the positive light in his approach to parenthood. The next step is losing the hate towards women. |
C1mag | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 03:15 pm     Kale if there had been no "ex" factor Rob wouldn't have been there. If there had been no "ex" factor and he did show up there would have been no forced dreamteam and he would have sat in a corner with no alliance to hide behind and he would have been an easy early boot in the game. Sorta like that "cut the fat" theory that Marcellus had last year. He may have even been the first one booted. Either him or Scott if Scott would have lasted. |
Earthmother | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 03:23 pm     Many parents have problems with alcohol or other addictions, but it does not mean that they are bad parents. It means they have a problem and hopefully will get help so they can be even better parents. I have to give Robert credit for trying to make himself a better person for his child. Anyone who works hard to overcome an addiction should be given credit, not condemnation. I had the same problem with people attacking Tonya last year for her poor parenting based solely on a couple of comments and what they saw a few times on tv. It is easy for us to sit here in all our faceless, nameless glory and pass judgement on others who by the way we don't even know. I guess I should be thankful no one knows some of the stupid things I've said and done in my lifetime, because I'm sure I'd be tarred, feathered and hung out to dry. I have said things in a fit of anger that I couldn't even repeat in a room all by myself. Anyone here who hasn't made real bad errors in judgement are either lying or the second coming... |
C1mag | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 03:27 pm     I do credit Rob for losing the bottle. However, again I don't feel a need to credit him for what is expected of him as a parent. There is a difference. I hope he watch's himself on tv and hears what he says about women and realizes his child is also a female and hopefully he will leave that garbage in the dumpster as well. |
C1mag | Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 03:29 pm     Oh Earth I was really disgusted last year with how Marcellus attacked Tonyas parenting skills. I thought she was an idiot for saying she was high on Coke every time she concieved a child but she never mentioned that while raising her children that she was loaded. |
Csnog | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 06:54 am     Are we now seeing the Robert that good looking women see when other men are not around? Since Jee left he is treating them much better and showing a different side of his disturbed personality. Are we also now being "charmed" by him? I don't think for one moment that his underlying dislike for women has changed but I see why Erika fell for him. |