Robert's SChmooooooozing Mind!
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Csnog | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 05:31 pm     Now that all the men have left the house and his anger towards females are in his back pocket, is this the Robert that he shows the women in his life? We have all seen the other Robert but, who is the real Robert? Any analytical thoughts on him? |
Earthmother | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 05:32 pm     Both of his exs said he could be very charming when he wanted to be....hmmmmm Maybe he doesn't handle stress well!! |
Crossfire | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 05:45 pm     This is something I've proposed a couple of times now. The nasty Robert, may not be day to day Robert, but a naughty version revealed when he is feeling comfortable among peers. What I don't know, is naughty Robert real, or just him acting cool for the guys? It would have been useful had one of the other guys challenged him when he was acting that way. That would reveal the sincerity and depth of his apparent feelings. |
Jazzzy | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 06:04 pm     the way he was parading around in the hoh robe and talking about viagria, makes me think he was thinking he was the Hugh Hepher of the BB House. I loved it when he asked Jun and Ali is they would go out with a guy as short as him, and they both said NO......LOL Then he went back to trying to hook up with Erika. |
Onlyhuman | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 06:26 pm     Crossfire, Justin did shut Robert down one time, and I remember him doing it very calmly. Robert immediately backed down. He didn't get completely calm, but he stopped with the language. My take is that Robert does not hate women as much as he has a very limited vocabulary and has difficulty expressing himself effectively when upset or stressed. He gets angry and spouts the most vicious words he knows. I frequently see kids with ADHD do this. They get mad and start sceaming obscenities, usual f*%#ing b*$ch, and other really disgusting things that they would NEVER say when calm. Granted, they are kids (10 years and up), but this behavior is almost beyond their control. In fact, part of socialization for these students is teaching them how to control themselves so they don't exhibit this type of behavior in inappropriate situations. (Yes, some can argue that there are NEVER appropriate situations for these words, but we try for the small successes with these kids!) Even though Robert was doing it in front of us, I doubt that he was aware of being watched. He is socialized enough to NOT do it in front of the women or even in front of most other men. He did it in an environment where he felt safe with his buddies. I don't know if Robert actively hates all women. I think women DO trigger much of his stress and anger. Robert with just Erika in the house exhibited fewer of his nervous tics and nose-picking gestures. When Ali and Jun returned, the tics returned in full force. I found it interesting that Robert mentioned seeing a therapist as part of his recovery program. It would be very interesting to know if they've even started to look into the issues that led to the addiction or if they are still concentrating on maintaining sobriety. It would give me hope for him if I thought he was continuing the therapeutic process. |
Jimmer | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 07:14 pm     Robert's language and the attitudes that he has expressed at times is deplorable, but I am not sure this makes him a genuine woman hater any more than Ali and Jun are women haters when they refer to Erica using the words b*tch and sl*t. In addition, it seems obvious that he cares greatly about his daughter (granted she is not a woman now but she will be eventually) and her mother also doesn't seem to hold a lot of animosity toward Robert. The houseguests tend to play very loose and fast with bad language, but it doesn't necessarily reflect any true deep-seated feelings. Believe it or not, I think they forget that they are being watched. It's not like you see them using that language in interviews with Julie. |
Csnog | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 07:59 pm     If they forget that they are being watched, is that not the real person? I know that I would watch my manners while on the live show with Julie. This man charms women then destroys his relationships with them so he may have trust problems. Both his father and his brother are sucessful in their field yet Robert at the age of 33 is floundering. Will his daughter be enough to ground him and change? |
Friktion | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 08:00 pm     Onlyhuman: I think you are confusing Tourette's Syndrome with ADHD? I have a 16 year old son and 50 year old brother, both with ADHD, and neither burst into obscenities just because they're angry - at least, no more than other people. And Robert does have a lot of nervous tics. I can tell you definitely that the bad language is not necessarily a symptom of the ADHD - I live with 2 ADHD males. |
Lori | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 08:26 pm     I agree with Friktion...my son is ADHD and I have never witnessed an outburst with profanities. But then again, everyone is different and it sounds as though Onlyhuman is speaking from experience. |
Twiggyish | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 08:31 pm     My brother is one of the sweetest men I know, and he's always been severely hyperactive. I think it had another name years ago. (Hyperkinetic?) |
Onlyhuman | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 08:42 pm     Friktion, I work with severe ADHD students. I have several male students who get extremely frustrated in a variety of situations. Their way to cope is to basically throw a tantrum, which includes yelling and screaming obscenities. I personally thought it was learned behvior when I saw the first one do it, but then I saw it exhibited in several other unrelated students. The question currently is whether the ADHD brings on the behavioral aspects (i.e., they are learned behaviors in response to stress, which is exacerbated by the ADHD) or whether the behavioral aspects are part of the spectrum of ADHD. Lately, there has been research indicating a correlation between ADHD and bipolar disorder, especially when manic behavior is marked by angry outbursts. The differential diagnosis becomes more difficult when students are older. Researchers are trying to determine if the ADHD is the juvenile form of bipolar or if bipolar is the adult form of ADHD or if they can be considered two separate disorders that frequently occur together. BTW, if you've seen the commercials for Stratera, the new ADHD drug, it was developed as a treatment for bipolar disorder. Obviously this is way more information than this thread warrants. It is clear that not all ADHD students exhibit this behavior, as you've pointed out, but I have seen it frequently. |
Closetfan | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 08:52 pm     Thanks, Only. I work in clinical research and what you've said makes a lot of sense. Bless you for your work with ADHD kids...whatever the cause of their disordered living. Hugs... |
Onlyhuman | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 08:59 pm     Closetfan, you're welcome for the information. I tend to get wordy, so I'm glad you understood it. I consider myself extremely lucky that I get to do work that I love. But I'm probably the only business person who would love to be put out of business, since that would mean no more learning problems! |
Wendo | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 09:08 pm     Whoa, what was that in the kitchen with Rob and Erika? He asked her if she thought Nate was better looking than him. (During the video watching they all commented on how Nate looked good on tv.) He almost seemed jealous. Kind of unfair to do to Erika I think. I have to agree with others who've posted on the board. I do think Rob has developed some feelings for Erika again. To what extent, who knows. Tough situation. |
Onlyhuman | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 09:19 pm     Wendo, I still don't think Robert has any REAL feelings for Erika. What he has is a desperate need for companionship. He has lost his two "best friends" and has been desperately trying to replace them with Erika. One thing he said to Erika really jumped out out me...he told Erika that he needed to talk with her each day like he, Justin & Jee did just to touch base and to talk through things. This was in the same conversation where Erika told him that Jee had been campaigning behind his back and Robert was visibly upset by that. Since then, he's been talking a lot about Justin, not so much about Jee. I do think that Robert will probably convince himself that he is in love with Erika in order to mask his true needs. In his mind, guys aren't just friends with women. Oh, and the reason he probably asked Erika if Nate was better looking is that throughout the video, he kept reassuring the girls that they were beautiful, that they were terrific, etc. No one offered him similar reassurance so he had to go asking for it. I remember the night that Jun, Dana, and Justin were "rating" the people in the house and Robert came in. He joined the discussion but as soon as he and Justin were out of the room, Robert asked Justin what the girls had said about him. I think they said that his personality makes him a 7. (what a joke!) That just shows how insecure Robert is. |
Wendo | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 09:29 pm     Yes, I can see that Onlyhuman. Good points. Plus, he has no outside stimulation, as well as no other females to try and talk with. (And we know how he feels about Jun and Ali.) So, because he's limited, he's inflating his feelings for Erika. Good post. |
Zachsmom | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 09:34 pm     My son is in the process of being evaluated for ADHD, but it's looking more like DSI.It's very painful to watch him struggle. I don't know if Robert is ADHD, I'm not an expert, but if he is I hope he can get the help he needs. Seeing my son struggle with something he has no control over, well..even though I cannot stand Robert, I don't wish this affliction on anyone. |
Onlyhuman | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:03 pm     Zachsmom, be careful with DSI evaluation. It's such a hard thing to get a good differential diagnosis on. You usually have to rule out many others things in order to get a true DSI diagnosis. Many people are jumping to the DSI diagnosis without a full evaluation to rule out other options. I really feel for you and your son, since living with learning and emotional disorders can be more draining than a physical disorder. You spend a lot of time doubting yourself as a parent and feeling helpless in the face of your child's struggles. I hope that you reach out to the many organizations that help parents with special needs children. ((((hugs to you)))) |
Zachsmom | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 10:23 pm     Thank you Onlyhuman. I really needed to hear that. It's been a struggle and I won't settle for a diagnosis until all posiblilities have been ruled out. Again, thank you On a lighter note, seeing Roberts behavior has really made me more determined to find help for my son!  |
Wildwest | Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:29 pm     These posts seem like sophisticated observations and make sense altho I had not reached conclusions in this area. Robert has seemed quite strange for some time but any psychiatric frailties would be exacerbated by the bb game experience. Couldn't his manner be that of a weak personality trying to cope with a very stressful situation and creating inappropriate defenses. The life of a recovering alcoholic can be difficult and almost any behavior is appropriate if the suferer stays off alcohol. Lots of holes in my observations but such is life. |
Friktion | Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 05:28 am     Zachsmom: Hang in there. I was told many different diagnoses - you know your child, read up and be vocal. I went thru the wringer and beyond 11 years ago and have been fighting since. Good luck, Susan |
Lainee | Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 05:47 am     Zachsmom...I have been where you are and my prayers are with you and your son. ADHD is a subject I am very passionate on! As Friktion and Onlyhuman says make sure ALL the tests are run. ADHD has become a category to lump children in when parents haven't read up on the different things. |
Demsome | Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 06:09 am     I may not like alot of things about Robert and his attitude but one thing I do like is his enthusiasm for the special treats they get.He does seem to be genuinely happy for other houseguests when they recieve special things.Like when Jun got to go to the VMA awards he was the only one that seemed truly happy for her and very excited. When the girls were griping about the lameness of the blimp ride he was very happy at the prospect. Perhaps he is the less spoiled of the group. |
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