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Cameramanbob

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Man, did that guy ever stand out last night! I really can't make up my mind about him. He played the game like a senior trying to cross a freeway, but he totally had a level-headed perspective over the results. His presence in the end gave me terrific perspective over the attitude of the norm. But is it just 'cause he's a flake? Or a cool dude? What's your take?

Crazydog

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mature. I thought he was acting the role of the befuddled grandfather at times when he was in the house (allegedly throwing competitions), but last night he was nothing but class. He apologized to Dana about the buzzard comment and was one of the few people who had anything nice to say during the vote to Jun.

Bomom

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Very mature. Very classy. Well done, Jack.

I would love to see a BB with more people like Jack who actually "get" the idea that they are playing a game, and see how they outwit each other.

It could be a very interesting thing to see, with totally different strategies than the ones we have been seeing for the last three months.

Eliz87

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack was mature. I wouldn't go so far to call him "classy" because I didn't appreciate his comments earlier in the year about Michelle being "eye candy" (this is no way for a 58-year-old man to talk about a 19-year-old girl IMO), and then he said last night something about counting the polka dots on Erika's bikini. This is not "class" to me. I'm beginning to think that maybe Alison was onto something when she was referring to him as being perverted. His comments about the girls were just not appropriate, IMO, given his age and status.

Crazydog

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll cut him some slack on the polka dots - I would have been mesmerized as well. Jack may be old, but he's not dead. I don't see anything perverted about a man appreciating a woman's beauty.

Now if he had said something like, "man, Michelle's body is so hot, if I was given the chance I would bone her right now in the storage room". Now THAT'S what I would call perverted.

Cameramanbob

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I found him and Nate to be overcompensating a lot. Jack letting everyone know he 'wasn't past it', and Nate doing his, 'check me out - I'm oogling women, like a guy who is not gay!' LOL!

Mssheila

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sorry, but Jack is just as entitled to talk about women as any other guy in the house. He's not 100 years old, and right- he isnt dead. Perverted? No. This is JMHO.. but I think Jack was ALL class last night. The thread wasnt about how he acted in the GAME.. it was how he acted last night. Mature and yes.... classy.

Jarryjayo

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack was great on lastnight show. but he was really out of place in that house. I mean he's way older then most of the other house guests.

When I first heard a FBI agent was going to be on this years big brother I was thinking wow, this is going to be great he will really mess with everyones mind. Have grown men on the floor crying like little babys. Back stabbing B!tchs will be put back in there place.

But really, none of the sort. We really didn't get to see anything. I guess for the most part he really is a good guy and kept him self together unlike most of the people in the house.

Jun and Ali just screwed everyone and are for the most part prostituted them selfs to win the game. Giving everyone else a Kiss and a Promise at being the last two in the house. It was a sick irony that they both would end up the last two in the house. Both of them fighting over the same cake, making complete ass's of them self's at the same time. What a perfect ending to a perfect show..

Cameramanbob

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I am trying to figure out if his truly wise and mature (incredibly admirable) spin on last night's proceedings was 'easier' for him because he was (maybe) never really "invested" in the game. Perhaps he just wasn't as crushed by losing and so the high road was do-able because of that. I'd like to think the opposite, actually.

Lucymac

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I say he was classy! I wish this would make them think when they pick next year's cast that they could benefit with some more people like Jack who see it for the game it is rather than giving us a house full of all 20 somethings.

Aremid

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For the most part, I felt Jack was a gentlemen. I think he was embarrassed by his comments about Dana. I think he did the right thing by being positive to Jun. That shows maturity and good sportsmanship.

Katlady53

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack is all class! Love the guy and still wish he had won! :)

Lorry

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
JMO, but I think Jack may have been why the FBI had to have an over-haul...lol

I neither found him classy nor foolish. I just thought he was a very poor representative for the FBI. I wasn't surprised by that, but to me he came off rather smarmy in a harmless way.

I also did not think his apology to Dana was sincere. I think he was put on the spot and as usual tried to come off as the nice old guy.

Guinevere

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought he came off well last night - far better than the other HGs, who all felt the need to tut tut at Jun and Ali for their behavior; I think those HGs should have been more concerned with their own.

As for his ogling Erika and Michelle, I'm of two minds. On the one hand, considering that Erika looked at him as a "Dad", his interest in her was a little skeevy. But OTOH, I guess he didn't think of himself as Erika's dad. He's not THAT old, he's not dead, he's a healthly male who can feel attraction for attractive women. Nothing pervy about it. I might not have wanted to hear about the attraction, necessarily, because of Michelle's age and Erika view of him as a father figure, but I don't think that's really his fault.

Prism72

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I always liked Jack. I admit when I first heard he was a former FBI agent, I really thought he was going to be able to scheme his way to the end. I was so surprised that it didn't happen. :(

Regarding the comments about Michelle and Erika ... It's strange to me how if a cute young guy were to have made these comments, it is accepted. But the fact that he is older makes it different. He was the oldest in a house full of young people who did a lot of talking about sex, etc., and I may be a presumptuous woman (he he), but I would imagine it would be hard for a healthy man (regardless of age) to pretend he doesn't notice a thing.

Oh yeah, and I still think he's classy. ;)

Creampuff

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack was everything any of us should have wanted or expected him to be. Think about it! Why should someone (actually anyone) be ensconced in that environment with eleven younger people who spouted whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted, and about whomever they wanted and be expected to keep quiet? Does an older person's privilege in being natural and doing so dissipate with age? I think not. Jack's qualities belied any of the lies spoken about him and he is a true gentleman. Thank you, Jack!

Csnog

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack was the only class act on the show last night.

He was the only one mature enough to understand that it was a game show and that all of them lost.

People go on shows for different reasons but mostly for the money and fame that they think they will get.

I don't want to see an entire show of Jacks but a few more his age would have helped.

Do we want an entire cast of 20 somethings?

Jack was the big winner last night despite that most posters think he's the "old" guy.

I would never want a 20 something year old body again if I couldn't have a 40+ year old mind.

So much to learn and understand.

Woodpecke®

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked Jack. I'd never say a woman had the sex appeal of a buzzard's crotch. I also found him unique and odd. But he did own up to his comments. He was the best contestant of a bad lot.

Sherri

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I find it amusing that Jack's two comments (one re Michelle/eye candy and other re Erika/polkadots) can in any way compare to the comments made by other hgs. I also find it amusing that because of Jack's age, his comments are deemed in appropriate by some. I guess when we get to 50, we should just all poke our eyes out and never enjoy anything we see! :)

I thought Jack was great last night. Never thought he was a flake. Thought BB4 way pushed the FBI deal too much (he had been retired for quite awhile). Feel like anything he did would have been criticized because that seems to happen to the "older" players, at least it did last year and now this year.

The last 10 minutes of the show last night were worth the whole boring season - wish I'd taped it. It was priceless. I had no problem with the other jury members' comments. It made for some absolutely excellent tv viewing, and by far the best BB finale there has ever been. The only surprise to me was that I thought it would have been more even in the final vote since they voted before they watched the tapes.

Oh - and totally with Csnog on the not wanting a 20-something body again without my 40+ mind! No way, no how, not in a million years.

Tishala

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought that the way he both owned up to his buzzard comment (by apologizing) and jokingly justifying it (I saw a very attractive vulture once in West Virginia) was as duplicitous as anything else in that house. He fit in well with Ali and Jun.

Cousin_Jake

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I found the buzzard's crotch insult funny - still do. At least he was a bit creative with his insult - a lot better than endless f***ing b*****s, f*gs, evil b***h, pervert etc. That got more than a little tedious.

Monalisahi

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Geez, I've had worse words for Dana than Buzzard Crotch......and I didn't even have to be confined with her.

I thought Jack had such a dry sense of humor and he cracked me up......almost as much as he bored me.

Efilon

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that many of these players, certainly not all, would act much differently if they were 30 years older. Face it, Jack has had a lot more life experience than any of these kids. Class and maturity come with age and experience. I liked him though and was hoping he would win until it was certain he was going to be booted.
His little stab to Alison by telling Jun she was the smartest person/player in the house was not really any classier than any other of the voter's remarks. It made him look good to be saying that to Jun but it was also a slam to Ali. Not saying that Alison didn't deserve it, just saying.

Crossfire

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack is, and was one of the most decent people to be on the show, not just this year, but in all the years. I'm almost surprised they can even get people of that caliber to enter the house. He's not perfect, there is some room for improvement such as his opinion that sexual orientation being a choice (I wonder when he chose?), but compared to some of the others, he lent the show some much needed respect.

Cousin_Jake

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But Efilon - that's what an adult can do - get their point across without bashing/trashing their target. Nothing wrong with that. I enjoyed Erica's remark in the same light. (I promised to vote for the person who took me out)Got her point across that she acknowledged that Jun manipulated Ali better than she did. Loved it.