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Archive through September 12, 2003
Bondmaiden | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:42 pm     This is so funny. For the last time, Ali does not care what we think. She does not know us nor will she ever meet us. She will win money and she will spend it. That's the name of that tune. |
Onlyhuman | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:46 pm     I'm not going to compare Ali to anyone else or even claim that she is the "worst" person ever. And, before anyone starts, I'm not trying to say that Ali's behavior excuses anyone else's. However, watching her with the mime today, we got a very good picture of what Ali is like outside of "the game". Ali was sickeningly sweet to the mime to his face, even taking him on a guided tour of the house. The minute the mime was out of ear shot, her facade disappeared and she showed her bitter anger and frustration. This had nothing to do with "the game". She was not being nice to him so he wouldn't vote her out and it wasn't a case of what she is willing to do for $500,000. It was Ali, behaving as we have seen her to do over and over in the house. I think today was confirmation that the suck up to your face and b*tch behind your back technique is pretty much a standard operating procedure for her. She's very lucky that her natural behavior will probably get her $500,000. |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:49 pm     I was wondering something. Why does Bondmaiden keep telling us in various ways that Alison on the BB4 television program doesn't care what we think? |
Bondmaiden | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:56 pm     Because it's true Wood. All this anger directed towards someone who will never meet you and could care less is just silly. |
Steveh | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 03:12 pm     You know Woodpecker, I'm changing my stance on that one (Ali doesn't care). As someone else has pointed out Ali--in the house--has demonstrated an abiding over-sensitivity to what people think, she blanches and/or rages at the slightest criticisms. That's one thing none of the other contestants has been attuned enough to exploit. But it also is another trait that, IMO, makes her an overall bad game-player. To the person who asked me what I would do in the house? Is "not go in" a viable answer. What I would try to do--if forced--is this. Manipulate, lie to and work people to my advantage, but I would strive to not gratuitously lie and I would strive even more mightily to NEVER bad-mouth another player even if I thought some of the other contestants really wanted to hear it. Even if someone was "playing" like Ali, I WOULD NOT BAD MOUTH her behind her back, but I would take her on to her face in front of others, I would call her on all the things I've mentioned here to her face, in front of others. I would not do so in a name-calling, screaming, overly- confrontational way, but I would do it. Since I'm generally older than most of the guests, I'd also do what Jack tried to do and NOT present myself as the wise elder. I'd lay low, try to fit in, but not in an embarrassing way like Jerry. Since I've been teaching at a university for the past 25 years I know how to get along w/ people the same ages as the house guests (typically) in a low-key, non-authoritarian kind of way and I also know how to subtly get them to do what I want them to do. Most of the time. I should also mention that I have terrible arthiritis so I don't know how I'd do in the physical comps, although I am as competitive as Ali, ex-jock, etc. and I can still do SOME things fairly well. W/ the comps I'd start off low key too but get more fierce the longer I lasted. I wouldn't have sex w/ anyone or behave in a sexual way w/ anyone. Male or female. LOL I don't think I'd have to worry about any of them falling all over themselves to get next to me. LOL Lastly, I'd pick ONE person in the house to put some trust in (criterion would be if I can't win, then I'd want them to win), but the word "alliance" or variations of alliance would NEVER be spoken. If that person got evicted, I'd look for someone else and this would go on until there were two . . .If possible. HEY! Maybe I will apply. If only I didn't look like Orson Welles on the TV. LOL Finally, "worst" is the most subjective of words and when I write "worst" I mean in the sense of the human qualities (or lack thereof) that the one-named character "Ali" is displaying. |
Bondmaiden | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 03:26 pm     LoL Stev, should we pack your halo in your BB kit bag? Just kidding. I'm old too and I'd play just like Ali. Screw em. |
Busydizzle | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 03:30 pm     Bondmaiden, I don't disagree with your point. However, I just don't think it's very relavant. This is a discussion board about BB and this thread in particular is to debate our thoughts and feelings about Ali. I highly doubt if anyone is posting because we think she cares about what we say and think. |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 03:31 pm     Forgive me, Bondmaiden, I see a direct debate full of opinions. I see no anger. Speaking entirely for myself, I don't care enough about Alison, Robert, or Jun to get "angry". |
Marej | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 03:37 pm     I'm sure all of Ali's friend(s) will tell her and show her what she did on the show and she will say it's BB's fault. |
Steveh | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 03:38 pm     Woodpecker - I agree. I'm not angry at all about Ali, more like bemused and irritated and I don't think I'm allowed to say what it is I'm really irritated about. LOL I ENJOY watching the show, and I enjoy posting here. There's plenty of stuff going on in the real world to actually be angry about, ranging from the fiasco in Iraq to the fact that the admin. just did an asbestos removal in my office and now won't write a letter guaranteeing me a clean and safe workplace. LOL Bondmaiden - Anyone who thinks being an "angel" can win them 50 or 500 thou is an idiot. But I think Ali could be right where she is right now and not have done and said almost all of the things I find objectionable about her. |
Marymary | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 03:40 pm     You know I've often wondered why someone didn't figure out and exploit that chink in Alison's armor. She definately can't stand to have anyone say they don't like her or say something negative about her. She loses it...I think Erica could have distracted her easily with a little gentle confrontation. Now that would have been fun to watch. And, just a fantasy mind you, but what if....Robert won HOH again. Oh my...gut wrenching human drama! Well, more like side splitting human comedy! It would be a verbal blood bath between the girls. |
Nexell2 | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 03:42 pm     I think the girl will be busy counting her money. Either 50,000 or 500,000. Very time consuming. |
Steveh | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:19 pm     Yep, counting her money, celebrating her Pyrrhic victory. |
Ezgoing | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:20 pm     Onlyhuman, very good points in your post that I hadn't considered. Wood, as is often the case, you have expressed my own take on things so well--thanks for saving me the time, and keep up the good work . Meggie, like you, I do acknowledge Ali's highly developed competitive skills, but believe she could have achieved the same 'final 3' position in the house she enjoys now without having to incorporate all the tactics she has employed so far. Just my opinion, of course. I have no angry feelings towards any of the houseguests, don't expect any of them to care one iota about my opinions personally, nor would I care what they might think of my observable actions in a contrived situation. Just wanted to set the record straight to head off any potential commentary regarding that issue . |
Bb4ever | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:23 pm     Doesn't make a difference if she wins $50K or $500K, it will be gone in a short amount of time. The girl (note I class her as a girl...still immature) does not seem to possess the knowledge of what to do with a large sum of money. (I believe I heard her say she wanted to raise a family...oh no, more little Alison's) Not sure any of the last three would really do something productive with the cash, but at least Robert would have a chance to make a difference with his daughter. |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:28 pm     Alison is like a lot of an employees I've known and fired throughout the years. She looks really busy and applied as far as work is concerned, but you realize later that she's spinning her wheels, accomplishing nothing and frustrating the other workers. Eventually, the whining becomes a huge distraction and it's time to sever ties with this individual. Counter-productive. |
Nexell2 | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:28 pm     Hmmm....Wasn't she also planning on law school? I wouldn't worry about her not hanging on to the money. I think Miss Ali will do just fine. |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:31 pm     Who is Miss Ali? |
Bb4ever | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:32 pm     Sorry, I don't see Ali making it through law school, you have to have be able to take criticism if you want to become a good lawyer. I think that was just more of her yaking it up! |
Steveh | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:36 pm     Yes, Ali is "planning" on law school. Thus far her "planning" has not entailed taking the LSATs (required for attending any law school) which I think will be a really tough battery of tests for someone who has professed more than once to having read one book during her adulthood and who majored in Exercise Science as an undergrd. Note to moderator: These were all things the one-named character "Ali" said inside the house. |
Mkcantjump | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:37 pm     Alison will do well at whatever she sets her mind to. Jealous people will always be jealous people. |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:39 pm     I thought she majored in Economics with a minor in Cheese History. |
Charvie | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:44 pm     I give it up to Alison. She shows that no matter how bad the behavior, it doesn't keep one from winning. |
Ezgoing | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:54 pm     LOL, Wood! Now that's ONE thought you've had that hadn't even entered my mind (but now that you mention it...hmmmmm) |
Busydizzle | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 04:57 pm     This board was starting to make me think that the majority of BB viewers despise Alison. However, CBS' popularity ratings show Alison to be tied with Jack at 76%, second only to Erika at 78%. While obviously not a scientific study, it likely shows more accurate results from the mass populus. I think one reason for this dichotomy might be that this board seems to be more conservative in nature. People here might be more likely to judge behaviors and perceived morals/principles, as opposed to others who either see nothing wrong with what the HG's are doing or are into the game for the entertainment value only. What's your take on this, everyone? |
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