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Archive through September 19, 2003
Seanflynn2003 | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:24 pm     I disagree with Wendo, who is a great poster, on this point. BB should be helping avoiding this sort of breakdown. It is cruel and unnecessary. If they don't, Jun will get over it just fine, but there is no point to it except needless suffering. |
K9lover1 | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:30 pm     They could also do that thing like they did that one year where they put something by each picture that signifies that person's personality or something about them. |
Justin42 | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:39 pm     Keep in mind, the show was extended by 2 episodes-- it was SUPPOSED to end Wednesday (9/17) until less than a month ago... but for ratings, CBS is dragging it out. As much as I personally don't care for the people in the final 2, I think putting ratings THIS FAR above their well-being is really inappropriate. The very least CBS could do is keep them well entertained-- movies, pump in some TV shows (I just heard Ali say they get to see Amazing Race tomorrow).... they've gotten this far, there's no more game to play. Had the show ended as expected on 9/17, this wouldn't have happened, and it wasn't SUPPOSED to happen. |
Wendo | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:39 pm     Efilon said, "Excuse me? I give up. You all are amazing. You have such a good way of knocking people for things they haven't even really said by saying you aren't knocking them." Where did I knock you Efilon? I haven't. In fact, I went out of the way to say it's YOUR CHOICE to feel the way you do about Jun and Ali. Even though I don't feel the same way as you. If you feel "knocked" that's your problem, not mine. Stop taking this so personally. It's a debate board, no more, no less. "As Wendo said in another thread: "It's up to Jun to get herself feeling better at this point."" And this means I have no compassion because? I also notice that you didn't quote my whole post, only a part you, in error, feel is relevant. I do believe it's up to Jun to get herself feeling better (edited to add: because Ali has tried and BB is of no help.) However, that doesn't mean I don't have compassion for her or feel for her also. Sorry to disappoint you Efilon. |
Seanflynn2003 | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:42 pm     Jun just put it very well. They are the two winners, this is their big week, now they have nothing to do, they learn about the q & a session ahead, and that after Wednesday they have to stick around until Saturday for the wrap party. Sort of doesn't gibe with what they've achieved. |
Wendo | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:43 pm     Seanflynn2003 said, "I disagree with Wendo, who is a great poster, on this point. BB should be helping avoiding this sort of breakdown. It is cruel and unnecessary. If they don't, Jun will get over it just fine, but there is no point to it except needless suffering." Sean, I completely agree, it should be BB's responsibility. My comment, quoted incorrectly btw, refers to the fact that since BB isn't doing anything, it's going to have to be Jun to get herself feeling better since she isn't getting help. (Because Ali has tried most of the day.) Personally, I wish she didn't have to. I wish she had some help. But, at this point, BB isn't doing anything. And, as you said, it is cruel. |
R151996 | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:45 pm     Good points Justin42. The original schedule would have had evictions last Wednesday (10th) and last Friday (12th) to get to the F2. That would have left little downtime before the originally scheduled end date. On the BB2 points mentioned earlier, BB2 ended on its originally scheduled finale night. Monica's eviction was delayed I think one day and was shown the day after it happened. Part 2 of the HOH was on the one unaired episode. The finale was delayed an hour until after the presidential address to Congress. There was a full week scheduled for the F2 just like this year's revised schedule. |
Coffee | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:46 pm     Jun also doesn't think she should do the q @ a session. These two are still in the game so whatever they have to do is what has to be done. Other weeks they have had to eat just peanut butter and jelly. This is another week in the game. The jury has not voted yet so the game goes on. |
Seanflynn2003 | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:48 pm     Wendo, sorry to have quoted for an incomplete use of your post. Well, BB is doing something. She gets to talk to John (one of the producers) tomorrow AM. How big of them. |
Onlyhuman | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:49 pm     You know, this might just be an example of you reap what you sow... Throughout the past several weeks, the HGs, with Ali & Jun leading the way, have been complaining about the lack of luxury prizes, about having to get up in the morning, of having to do anything other than what they have decided they should be required to do. Maybe the young ladies should have considered the possible consequences of their attitudes before they complained so much. Their captors might have a little more sympathy for their predicament if they had done so. |
Wendo | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:52 pm     No prob Sean, no biggie! Yes, I was glad to hear that BB did talk to Jun. So they're not completely heartless. I wish she didn't have to wait until tomorrow. But, maybe they can't get anyone there untill tomorrow. Personally, this last week (if it were my show), I'd have someone there 24/7 for them. But that's just me. |
Coffee | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:54 pm     I think a lot of this is that Jun does not want to face the jury. She wants to get a check and go home. She has to realize the game is still on. I also remember them saying they would do what they wanted to do. Now they can. |
Seanflynn2003 | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:56 pm     Wendo, you are so right. This show is a goldmine for CBS (done cheaply, decent ratings, low pay out in prizes) and to have a contestant melt down before the expected highest rated episode of the season is not a good thing. This WON'T happen (Jun will snap back), but when you get past compassion and logic, how about enlightened self-interest as a good reason for BB to give them something to do? |
Lancecrossfire | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:57 pm     I find it ironic in a way--BB is all about being stuck away from all input and co-existing in a house with strangers. Well, they spend the better half of the show giving these people trips, phone calls, boards with quotes form outsiders on the internet, letters, internet talks, etc. Now they are giving the F2 what should have been going on all along. They only have to put up with it for a week instead of all 3 months. The ones who win the most money should have to put up with the most stresses caused by the game of BB. Part of the game is how you handle yourself under these conditions. They had their game face on while others were still in there, and took it off now that there is no one to beat. Only they didn't realize that sometimes the toughest demons are the ones you create for yourself. I can only imagine decompression from BB is not a pretty thing and has to be gone through at some point. If they are going through it now, they picked a time when they don't have much support. Waiting till they are out would be an advantage if you wanted the extra support of family and friends during decompression. |
Spear | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:59 pm     Hmm, I'd have thought that Ali would be the one more freaked out by the prospect of facing the jury tomorrow. I agree that the game is not over -- Jun needs to get it together before she faces the jury. It could cost her $500,000. |
Wendo | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:00 pm     Good point Seanflynn. Good point. I have to say, Sean, I'm a bit surprised that it's Jun who lost it tonight. I kind of saw her as the strong one emotionally speaking. But, I suppose this type of thing affects different people in different ways. I only hope that tomorrow is a new day for Jun and it's better one. |
Efilon | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:01 pm     The entire quote: Wendo Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:33 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "LOL, Bonza, heck, all of ya. My sides are a splittin' here! Yes Hamsterlady, Ali has been trying all day to cheer up Jun. From making beaded necklaces to doing tye dye t-shirts with sparkles. Jun has had none of it. It's up to Jun to get herself feeling better at this point." |
Seanflynn2003 | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:05 pm     Wendo, Jun has been on for almost 3 months. Allison has allowed herself some real emotional letdowns along the way (and along with all the game-playing dramatics -- more power to her, not a criticsm). She is allowing herself now that it likely won't cost her anything to let her guard down a bit. She'll likely be the better for it tomorrow, and feel the need to "redeem" herself. |
Wendo | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:09 pm     Efilon, it's completely not appropriate to bring posts from other threads into another. It doesn't have the proper context. The post you keep bring in has a proper context in the proper thread. Let it go. You have no compassion for Jun and Ali. Big f**king deal. Unless, of course, YOU'RE the one feeling bad about it. Additionally, I clarified what I meant. BB wasn't helping her, Ali wasn't helping her, so she had to help herself. What is your problem? Seanflynn, very true. Ali has cried more the past 80 days than Jun. All of Jun's problems have built up and bursted out. Good points! |
Lancecrossfire | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:10 pm     Please stop sniping at each other or I'll turn off the thread till tomorrow. |
Caycaye | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:12 pm     Efilon....I am a new participator this year, and I, too, have felt the "sting" of sarcasm and condescension when I dare to disagree with some of the veterans here. The moderators have even eliminated threads of discussion with me that were not the least bit offensive (maybe they don't like me...tee hee). I keep stating my opinion no matter how "emotional" some said I was...because if truth be told...every one of us here are emotional about these people (unless you are a Vulcan). So, when I really feel like I am being attacked, I take a deep breath, and stick up for myself (with respect to having a RIGHT to have an opinion). I also try NOT to make other people agree with me....which I may have done some in the beginning. But I WILL state my opinion in a mature way, and knowing that I am an intelligent person who tries to be unbiased toward everyone, I do not let anyone make me feel bad for my opinion. Don't go EFILON...we need more of us here. |
Wendo | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:13 pm     Lance, could you please remove my post from the other thread that's posted here? It doesn't belong here and it has no context within this thread. |
Lancecrossfire | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:14 pm     Wendo, what thread are you referring to, and which post is it? |
Caycaye | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:16 pm     And another thing Efilon...I realized that letting anyone "hurt my feelings" was not good for me or anyone else. I have to learn how to drop an argument more often...And we all need to learn to agree to disagree more! But don't ever let anyone make you feel bad about any opinion you have...good or bad..and that goes for EVERYONE...even the ones who don't like me!. |
Wendo | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:17 pm     Efilon's 11:23pm post in this thread. It does not belong here. (I posted it in another topic.) Since they're my words, I would like them removed. Thanks. |
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