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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Hypothetical: Allison vs. Robert for final 2, who would you vote for?:
Archive through September 03, 2003
Bigbrotherfan | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 05:35 pm     I have to say, I feel that Allison has done as much badmouthing and name calling as Robert so I think that is nil. However, as repulsive as Robert is, he has been loyal. I would *hypothetically* vote for Robert. |
Sherri | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 05:57 pm     If I chose based on emotion, I would vote for Robert because of his loyalty, but in the end, at least to me, it's about who plays the game the best and I think Alison beats Robert hands down. I would vote for Alison, as much as it would pain me |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 05:58 pm     Easy, I'd vote for Ali because she actually PLAYED the game. The question is, will the jury agree? I think in that scenario the only votes Robert would get would be from Jee and Dana. |
Rob_Robe | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:00 pm     Robert... because he has PLAYED the game... because if he didn't... then he would not be still around... and if his PLAYING of the game is being pasive... it as much of a PLAYING then what Ali is doing... hence, i would vote Robert... |
Texasdeb | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:02 pm     Robert would have my vote & pour little Ali would be left with nothing but $50g. (let me remind you - NOTHING - no friends, no boyfriend, & nothing except an offer from playboy if she takes off a few). |
Bigbrotherfan | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:07 pm     Clio, If you say Robert didn't play the game, then I guess you could argue the same about Alison. To me, she played the people more than the game. Staying in without being dishonest and making enemies (not that Robert hasn't p-o'd a few ppl but fewer than Alison) would win my vote. |
Scorpiomoon | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:09 pm     I perform hara-kiri to get out of voting for either one. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:10 pm     Rob_Robe .............. Robert hasn't played the game ........ Jee and Justin PLAYED IT FOR HIM! BBfan, no Ali has definately played the game more than anyone in the house with the exception of Jun. This isn't Sunday School, "playing the people" IS playing the game. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:11 pm     Oh and btw, I'm actually gonna vote for Dave ............ just as soon as BB pops his 800 number on the screen! I'm ready! Got the phone in my hand!!! |
Cinder | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:13 pm     Yep- I'd vote for Ali. Robert sat back and believed everyone would carry him- nad he did. please don't let EITHER in the final 2 |
Rob_Robe | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:14 pm     Exactly Clio... Robert got two people to play FOR him.. and that as much as PLAYING the game... i call it the .. shield strategy... i guess your so bent agaisnt robert you can't see that... i totally dislike ali BUT i won't go far as saying she ISN't playing the game... but she is... for 50 grand... but for half a million NO... enought said... doing NOTHING is as much as doing SOMETHING... |
Ezgoing | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:15 pm     Can one abstain? |
Bigbrotherfan | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:15 pm     It isn't Sunday School but it is Americal pop culture and I hope those aren't the virtues we reward! |
Bigbrotherfan | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:17 pm     Note for my reply just above - we did nil the name calling because if not, Robert & Alison would not only be out of the $$ but would be in a courtroom for slander. ;-) |
Steveh | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:19 pm     Can we add a "Meteor Hits the House" choice to the ballot? But I repeat: Alison is NOT "playing the game." What is that she's DOING that's game-playing. She's operating on pure emotion, irrationality and a wolf's knack for self-preservation. But that's still not game playing (strategizing, working people in complex ways, realizing the connection between her in-house behaviors and the jury vote, etc.) Robert, on the other hand, has turned the passive-aggressive strategy into an art form. LOL |
Niceguy | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:20 pm     Rob. He's a dog but Allison's deluded ramblings in the Diary Room have made me ill from time to time. Not that the Dream Team silliness was wonderful but Allison just makes it a point to remind us how perfect she is. Definitely Rob. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:26 pm     Hmm, it would depend on the who won the last HOH, and how they won it. Like Lisa last year, she kicked butt those last competitions so those last competitions play a part in my reasoning too. As well as how they got there, what they've done, etc. Steveh, as far as your contention that Ali isn't playing the game, I must disagree. She has made moves and alliances that benefited herself. She convinced Nate to save her. She evicted her strongest threat at the time, Dana. She honored an agreement with Justin to not nominate him, thus gaining a little of his trust as well as his other alliance members. She's also alligned herself with Jun, secretly. With Erika as well. Quite frankly, your comments reflect your distaste for her. That's fine, but be honest. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:42 pm     LOL! Rob_Robe I would agree with your theory IF I thought Robert was smart enough to do that and I don't. Plus the fact that he has spent almost all of this season complaining about how he DOES NOT want to be there. I SINCERLY don't get the impression that he's TRYING to win ......... well, until about an hour and a half ago. You've got to be doing nothing with the INTENT of winning, not just doing nothing because you're apathetic. I'm not bent against Robert, I'm kinda neutral about him. He's not my first choice to win but he's not my last. I AM however bent against Headcheese, whoops, I mean Nathan if anyone's keeping score at home. Steveh, I will agree that she's operating on emotion, but for example ........... she lied to Michelle (or held the truth from her) to make her think she was staying in the game, she made out with Dave in a strategy move (she said as much, I don't believe her, but hey, it works for my argument), she convinced Nate to use the veto on her (one of the MAJOR coups of the game) she "allied" with the Stooges to her advantage while simultaneously allying with Nate/Jack/Erika, she's telling Jun and Erika that she wants to take both of them to the final two, she points out that Robert and Jun don't "deserve" to win the money, she's thrown competitions so others had to do the dirty work ........ etc., etc. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:45 pm     And if anyone still thinks Robert is trying to win by NOT trying to win, compare his game play with Dani's last year. DANI was using that strategy, Robert's just kinda there, holding down the furniture. But let me just say again, FOR THE RECORD, I don't think he's that bad of a guy. He's just boring. |
Steveh | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:45 pm     "Quite frankly your comments reflect your distaste for her. That's fine, but be honest." WHAAAATTT??? I don't think my comments "reflect" my distaste for Alison as much as they STATE MY DISTASTE FOR ALISON AS CLEARLY AND HONESTLY AS I POSSIBLY CAN. And just b/c you disagree w/ my opinion that does not make my opinion dishonest. Yes, she has made moves and alliances that have benefited her, no doubt about it. But I submit that those were ALL happy accidents and in many cases had to do with the stupidity of people (her opponents) looking at the world through specially made Oblivion Goggles. Alison's sucessful manipulations, etc. were not the result of any kind of game strategy or plan. She's been winging it from day one, falling back on the only behavior she seems to know: lying, hopping in the sack with guys, etc. Hey, I know: Let's start a pool to see how long it'll be before she gives Robert a "massage." I'll start. 5 minutes ago. |
Muse | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:46 pm     That's the worst possible final two, but I'd vote for Robert. He's the lesser of two evils. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:49 pm     "ALL happy accidents" Hah? Steveh, I think you've gotten your blondes confused this is ALI we're talking about not Michelle. The girl doesn't eat ice cream without plotting it out first. What do you make of her diary room conversations, she's telling us exactly what she's doing. |
Sbeachy | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:50 pm     I don't know which way I'd go between those 2. But, how bout Alli comes in third, and get's a soap opera career out of big brother! I told my fellow BB fans at work that she deserved an Academy Award for how she acted/played Jee and Robert when Jack and Erika were up on the block! |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:56 pm     If anyone doubts that Ali's playing this game turn on the LFs right now and listen to her conversation with Erika. |
Steveh | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:57 pm     Cliotheleo - Her DRC's are a model of the postmodern Tower of Babble. She's only one person, but she speaks w/ many tonguues. She covers every contingency, every possible alliance of any given situation. You've heard the one about the speedfreak who talks so much that he eventually must start lying even if he doesn't want to? Ali's kind of the flip of that: she talks so much that she eventually starts telling the truth, by accident every once in a while her diary room vomitous does = "exactly what she'd doing", but more often than not it hasn't. I will grant you that she ENDEAVORS to plot, but her plots often go completely awry. Think of her plot to get Nate to use the veto. She completely screwed it up, but the dumba** used it anyway. I have yet to see her employ a game "strategy" that would arc over the next 45 minutes in the house. I say again: Ali bein' Ali. Don't like her. You know Clio -- I don't even REMEMBER Michelle. She was more or less the human equivalent of a black hole in space, just an overwhelming nothingness. I would never say that about Ali, for she is certainly something. |
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