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Monalisahi

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, if you don't like the music, why do you listen to it???? Nobody forces you to listen to it. Just turn it off.

ROFL....I couldn't resist and you laid it out so nicely for me.

Kidding Wendo, really

Guinevere

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm very happy that Jun won, but disappointed that the losing HGs couldn't have been a bit more gracious in defeat. Sure, they were put off by what they saw when they watched the eps, but it seemed that once they'd hashed things out amongst themselves, all of their hostility fell on Jun and Alison. Even if some of them have legitimate gripes about things they heard A&J say on the tapes, I tend to agree with what Jun said to Julie - they were mostly just disappointed because they weren't in the final two.

I was most impressed with Jack, who really showed a lot of dignity and maturity on tonight's show. He seemed to have it in much better perspective than the other HGs.

Least impressed with Erika - I was very surprised by the extent of her bitterness and hostility, especially towards Jun. Erika had enough instances of bashing others - she tried to explain away her comments about Jee by saying that wasn't the real her. Maybe she should have given Jun the same consideration. She came off as sanctimonious and very bitter.

All in all, this wasn't my favorite BB season, but it was entertaining enough. I'm looking forward to next season already.

Wendo

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 12:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Monalisahi, actually, I'm not listening to it. I have the music on mute. I checked it before I posted. This is the latest I've seen this go. Last year I believe it was off by 1 AM. LOL!

But yeah, I laid it out there and you went for it. Bravo! :)


Caycaye said, "Actually the last part of your post, WENDO, was MY quotes...not Monalisahi's...even though occasionally we do sound alike....."

Yep, I know it was your post. If you go back and take a look, I did note that you said it. I even returned down an extra line to separate it from Mona's post.

No biggie about the rest. Just wanted to point out that the "Ali people" aren't part of the debate is all. :)

(Plus, I don't consider myself an Ali person. LOL! I wanted her to win, but I'm happy Jun won. This year, I didn't have a favorite HG. I purposfully chose not to have one. In all honesty, I would've been satisfied with any of the HG's winning. It's really the show, the interactions, and how BB evolves that I like.)

:)

I know you're happy that Ali didn't take the big bucks. I respect that. I'm glad you found the show entertaining. Especially since the season was so lackluster. Let's keep our fingers cross for a better year next year.

Jimmer

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just don’t agree with the attitude that you should congratulate the winner no matter what, simply because they are the winner. There are lots of “winners” in this world that are despicable people and do not deserve congratulations in any sense.

Cousin_Jake

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I found the frostiness of last night's show one of the most "Real" moments of this season. You could mute the sound and still read the scene perfectly.
As a sidebar ... I was kind of disappointed that more of the HGs didn't get called on the racist, homophibic comments made this season. I guess the explanation is that they weren't featured on the show and the players will only know about it if they take the time to read the live feed summaries.

Tenor72

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I knew Jun would win, the whole first part of the show made you think Ali was gonna win-typical CBS mirage-I just hope this ex-factor never shows its face again. Arnie and CBS got its ratings-but it was just too emotional, too hateful, too much. The ex-factor is the one and only reason there was so much hate in that house. I will say this-Jun and Ali should have stopped the nastiness once they made final 2. The Ex-factor really brought in anger, jealousy, hate, revenge, disgust, and a whole lot of things. CBS loved it, bc people watched it. Last night was so uncomfortable. The Mime was priceless at the end. Ali and Jun may have won some money-but they hurt alot of people while doing it. I hope next year-they have 12 complete strangers-hopefully people that have never watched Big Brother-this year's cast knew too much about BB. We need some more people like Will(BB2) and Roddy(BB3). People with life experience. People that can tell some cool stories-this year no one could tell stories bc there ex would call them out if they were lying or exagerating. Which really suxed.

Go Jack! He showed some class. The best person on the show. He wasnt hateful-and he was forgiving-which is healthy. Course he had no baggage like an Ex on this show.

To me-it looked like Amanda was miserable.

Sheilaree

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 06:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if Bob would have come if Jun didn't win the money, I notice Donny didn't come, which I don
t blame him. I don't think they will make it. I thought that it was takey that Alison got flowers even though they were from her parents and she wasn't the winner, I think Bob could have gotten Jun flowers. I hope CBS learns from this mistake this year and go back to being BigBrother like it was in the begining.

Chippy

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't see any sore losers either. In fact, I thought they were all very gracious after seeing the tapes. I love the message they sent to the "winners". It was a long time coming IMO. I would have absolutely hated seeing a hug/lovefest as the ending to BB4.

Looks like karma showed up before the show was even completely over. Smart move on BB's part to show tapes after the vote and just before the confrontation. Alcohol in open wounds. And, finally Nathan gets it- after the whole brick wall caves in on him. LOL... the long Ali vote.

I have to give a lot of credit to the other 6 who figured out (without the benefit of DR and tapes/live feed postings) that Jun really was the lesser of two evils.

Lauram

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
where were Jun's parents??

Emdanzma

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This morning on the Early Show, Jun mentioned that her parents were VERY BUSY right now(whatever that means)...she had talked to her brother I guess.

Skootz

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember at the beginning of BB4, Jun mentioned that her parents were probably not even going to follow the show or the internet feeds. They didn't even like the fact that Jun was going to be wearing a Bikini on T.v/live feeds. So I guess that would probably have something to do with the fact that they were not there. (who knows perhaps they were there and didn't want to be on the camera/television and were going to meet Jun later.

Beruthiel

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd like to say THANK YOU one last time to everyone who posted show spoilers' this season, which I truly appreciated since my broadcast times were always three hours after the East coast.
I didn't miss many spoiler threads, but had two birthdays yesterday and didn't even get to watch my tape of the show until 1am!
I'm sad at missing the fun and also the post show discussion, but at least I hope the very generous spoilers will see that my gratitude is very real!
A special nod to Hamsterlady for her season long posting of screenclips!
Thanks everyone!

And I agree that the final show exceeded my expectations, in that we were shown the why's and wherefore's and it was real and not scripted. I didn't see sour grapes so much as people who were disappointed at what they found out re their housemates. And no one was innocent, even Jack had apologies to make, but as always he did it graciously and with gravitas.
A good end to a sorry season - I was pleased to see Jun win, and also to see that she was very aware of the disapprobation, and that Bob meant more to her than the money. I know there are those who will disagree, but I was reminded of the Will/Nicole final, when even Nicole's friends reluctantly voted for Will, after seeing the tapes, and again, Nicole dashed out to see her husband as Jun did to see Bob. It was as satisfying as an ending could be if one didn't care much for the finalists!
I'm with everyone who devoutly wishes for no more ex-factor, and hopes for a better season in 2004!

Kaili

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Jun's parents were all that impressed she came on the show. Not surprised they weren't there.

Ali Ali Ali- the part that got me- not sure whose question she was answering- but she looked ready to cry/have a tantrum, saying no one is giving her half the credit she deserves. I also enjoyed the set-jaw look she got when Jun was giving her answer why she should win over Alison (she didn't use the same methods of getting in bed with people, kissing, etc).

Kaili

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Beruthiel- you reminded me... Jack did make an apology which was good of him. Erika was called on the man-troll thing first and she offered no apology for it. I thought that was terrible. Dana called Jack out on it and he apologized immediately. Good for Jack.

Lauram

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
After looking at the tapes and then being asked "So now you have seen the tapes what do you think?"

The Hgs response was "I cant believe he/she said that"

I might have started out saying, Oh "Oh I can't believe I said XYZ, I am so sorry" A pre-emptive strike would have helped them alot here.

Csnog

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun said that her parents are very traditional and would not be watching the show.

Jun has tried very hard to make her own way as an adult yet does understand her parents.

Misslibra

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The other HG's were quite gracious... they showed up and voted for one of them didn't they ? LOL And Robert didn't deck anyone about his daughter.

I think everyone's class was about even. Jack apologize to to Dana about his BC comment and Erika apologized to Jee for her comment. As a matter of fact everyone should of been apologizing to everyone about some of their comments. But Jack and Erika were the only two to step up to the plate. I give Erika and Jack credit for that, at least they said they were sorry.

A lot more apologizes should have been made by all. After Jee accepted Erika's apology with all his honor I just knew he would fess up to Erika and say you know Erika I have to apologize to you as well I said some distasteful things about you as well... I know, I'm asking way to much from this group of HG's.

Chippy

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems that Jun mentioned that her and her parents didn't even speak for a couple years and were finally able to mend fences in some ways. I'm not surprised they weren't there nor do I think they watched the show. They have been called very culturally traditional. Jun was not.

I agree with the pre-emptive strike theory- damage control. I'm kinda surprised some of the evicted hgs didn't fess up long before the tapes were shown. Robert really is the only one who was called out on his mud slinging and that was overdone about 3 shows in a row. Plus, wasn't it Jee who called himself (in jest) exactly what Erika called him later?

There was also the difference between acting out in anger to a specific deed (like being nominated or what was said when you were put up) to just trash talking for the heck of it. So much of it had nothing to do with the game. Other of it was to fool someone into thinking you believed something you really didn't (like the fake fights between Jee and Jun). Although, they sure seemed to have a "real" flavor to them as well.

Again, I think they can soften the things they said over and over again but the bottom line is that I think we did see real personalities emerge with time- some more than others.

The buzzard crotch will live in infamy IMO. And, other than that, Jack really was mild in comparison to the rest. I like that guy.

Joesmom

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chippy,
I think you are right about Erica's comments. Seems I remember reading on the live feed updates that Jee said to her, "You're probably gonna call me a ...."

I was disappointed in Erica's response to Jee and to Dana, though. Besides Jack (I'm from Birmingham), she was my favorite. Twice, she used the "that's not in my character" defense. I thought she had more integrity than that.

Maris

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why would you expect a woman who calls an ex boyfriends employer up to get him fired to have some integrity. I think Erika is only sorry about the incident to the extent that it ended up on the show and was seen my millions. Kind of blows up that sweet little bubble gum pink image.

I wasnt impressed by Jacks initial response of how growing up he found buzzards attractive. Who needs to hear about his deviant behavior as a child? I give him credit for realizing that an apology was in order but it wasnt all that fast in coming.

I thought Justin handled himself the best of all the evictees. Nathan is more upset with Alis comments about his sexuality because they were aired on national tv and because he is such a homophobe, he will never talk to her again.

I thought Amanda was embarrassed to be there and will chalk Big Brother down to one of her biggest mistakes. Michele acted like the child she was and Jacks weak attempt to explain that they thought it was better for her not to know about the vote was just hollow. Michele clearly is a very immature girl.

I believe that neither Jun nor Ali have any remorse and would do it again the exact same way.

Murph

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just some extra thoughts .... I was also disappointed in Erika's response but it may have been that we were not shown her entire response. Another case of editing, maybe. Unfortunately, for Erika she more than the others has had the most TV time for her comments regarding Jee, painting her as a racist which IMO she is not. I watched the live feeds a lot and I never heard her make another racist remark. She did not make any homophobic remarks to my knowledge either.

IMO CBS edited Erika to look much worse than she really behaves. Maybe someone can remember did Jun or Jee first make the remarks Erika later made? If my memory serves correctly, Jee had just humiliated her in front of everyone with his nomination speech. I am not defending her remarks but I do believe they were made as an angry response not how she truly feels towards other races.

I think that her poor response to the question may have had more to do with the fact that she was mortified that she had made the remarks more than she had been caught making them. She stated that is not how I really feel, out of character, and my grandparents are immigrants. I think I also heard Erika refer to herself as Eurasian...does anyone know her nationality?

I remember how upset she was the first few weeks with Robert being there, often crying, knowing Robert was bashing her to the others, etc. After watching her the remainder of the season I can believe her when she says it was out of character.

Again, Erika was called on her remarks on the live show by Julie's question to Jee. I think Erika has paid dearly for her remarks.

Jun and Ali, for the most part, were given a free pass on their remarks. Can you imagine the frosty reception they would have received if the jurors had heard the live feed highlights? Would Jack have shown as much class if he had known how he was portrayed as a pervert or child molester, and the plan to make up a story to justify voting him out of the house?

I am sure that Jack being in the FBI for thirty years came across the lowest life people in the world, people who acted out their comments rather than only made them. I think that Jack could put in to perspective the bashing, name calling much easier than the others.

Maris

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika also made racist comments about Jun on the live feeds which were never aired on t.v. She was no angel.

Csnog

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
None of them were angels. If they were, we wouldn't watch the show and have anything to trash about them.

Jun and Ali made it to the end. One had to be the winner. END of GAME.

Next year new hampsters to trash.

Murph

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, can her refer me to a date when Erika made a racist remark about Jun. I just never heard another remark from her; I am not saying she is an angel but she was never as bad as Jun and Ali. thanks