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Baymindy

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 07:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As I see it, much of the discust and annoyance shown by the other houseguests against Alison is largely due to the fact that she keeps getting the better of them. (We all know how annoying that can be.)They all want her out, but low and behold week after week she is still there. I call that playing the game well. Certainly she p***ed people off, as did Will. But most people in retrospect believe Will played a good game.

Wendo

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Baymindy said, "As I see it, much of the discust and annoyance shown by the other houseguests against Alison is largely due to the fact that she keeps getting the better of them."

EXACTLY. I think those HG's on the jury underestimated her. Thought they could control her and what she did in the game. That frustrates the heck out of people. Thinking you're in control of someone and then, finding out you're not.

Boberg

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Baymindy I would add a thought to your post though...the BB2 evictees saw the DR entries by Nicole and Will...while Will was funny, Nicole remained mean spirited..Many here disliked Will at the beginning but by the end many adored him and were rooting for him to win..my believe is because of his sense of humor and ability to laugh at himself..The current evictees will not know about the DR responses and their opinions/votes will only be based on their time in the house and what they are told by those that join them there in the sequester house.
My point is..many changed their mind about Will because of his sense of humor and DR entries and voted for him...whereas Nicoles DR entries probably lost her votes..an advantage these HG won't have..JMHO

Avrey258

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anyone hear what Ali said her first impression of Jack was? I just want to verify, because it was quite shocking. To me at least.

Boberg

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Avrey..on the tapes I reviewed yesterday..both Ali and Jun spoke highly of Jack in the DR early on in the game..What did you hear?

Mkcantjump

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison is an excellant player. That's all there is to it.

Dram

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Boberg,
Alison said she her first impression of Jack was a "child molestor". Jun said a hick and Robert said smart. Excellent player or not..she definitely has some issues.

Marymary

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I kind of think we can't compare Will and Alison. She's been NO fun...she's whiney and very mean spirited in her game playing. She played Nathan like a old banjo...(I know he asked for it)...tried to seduce Justin...but it appeared he was on to her! Played kissy-face under the covers with Dave...funny when they showed him rinsing with mouthwash like he had Alison cooties. Will was funny and fun...she's NEITHER. Of course, as always, just my opinion.

Justboredwbb4

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Avery- I did hear it. Quite shocking. I actually posted it here on this thread but it was removed. But, there was some questionable conversation going on as well.
It does not suprise me that she would say it especially how she has been talking about Erika these past couple of day's. I wish the girl would not feel the need to attack the other HG
It was not on the shows. It was only heard on the live feeds.

Mkcantjump

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika has her own unforgettable comments to be remembered.

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When commenting on this show or Alison in particular, we are often warned to be careful with our descriptions. These reminders are not usually listened to or obeyed. Why does this happen? Because houseguests, like Alison, are given a free pass by certain people because she is sequestered in an isolated house, she can't possibly mean what she says, it isn't the way she is in real life; being part of this environment forces her to act in a way that isn't representative of her actual personality. If all this is true, there really isn't any need for us to comment on the players at all. Everything they say is uttered under duress. It's all a big lie. As a viewer of this show for 4 years, I find this assumption patently absurd. Alison has gone too far with her mouth. She will be confronted by many in her life to explain her statements. It will be her cross to bear. The impression she has left will be part of her life for years after she is a forgotten member of a T.V. show.

Meggieprice

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well put Wood. I know that they all bash to a certain degree, kind of having to make a person bad to justify voting them out, I guess- but Ali and Jun have taken it to a new level. Ali has been worse only because she played so many sides that she was bashing everyone depending on who she was talking to. I can't listen to it any more- bashing people who are already gone is pointless.

I agree with those who feel Ali played a great game. She has been artful. Unfortunately there are things about the way she played that disturb me greatly, so I appreciate the game she played but take no pleasure watching her progress.

Cassie

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 10:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She's still light years away from the amount and caliber of Danielle's bashing! A looong way.

Wendo

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cassie, and Marcellus and Amy too!

Bondmaiden

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess Erika will be remembered for calling Jee a korean piece of s--- and wishing death on Jun and Ali as they rode in the blimp. Oh, but I forgot, she is basically good right? Who should this temporary free pass be given by? All the pc'ers who already make all our lives miserable?

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 10:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In my opinion, the worst tactic used by people trying to defend their point is bringing up other players and comparing them to the one being discussed. Very weak.

Steveh

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 10:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good post Woodpecker.

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I don't think Alison is "playing the game" at all well, although she is a fierce competitor and showing way more heart certainly than Jun and Robert (their lack of fighting spirit disgusts me as much as anything Alison has done in the house). If you think I'm just writing this to help qualify what I am trying to say, check Wednesday's chat thread where five minutes after the HOH started, I said that Alison would crush the other two and that Jun and Robert had brought knives to a gunfight.

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Bondmaiden

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 10:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In retrospect, I find it laughable that anyone here on this board or anywhere else could possibly believe that their opinion of Alison or anyone else in that house matters to the HGs.

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 11:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<<<In retrospect, I find it laughable that anyone here on this board or anywhere else could possibly believe that their opinion of Alison or anyone else in that house matters to the HGs.>>> True, Bondmaiden. If you read the rules for posting messages, it obviously appears that the messageboard moderators are concerned about it.

Bondmaiden

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure I get your point Wood but thanks for sharing.

Wendo

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP


Woodpecke® said, "In my opinion, the worst tactic used by people trying to defend their point is bringing up other players and comparing them to the one being discussed. Very weak."

I'm not defending Ali by bringing up other players. Only pointing out that there have been other HG's that have exhibited even worse behavior than Ali. Period. You're assuming it's a defense, it's not.

However, it is true that neither Marcellus or Amy were raked over the coals as Ali has been because people laughed at them. Their insults were couched in humor and, therefore, were more acceptable.

So, I guess if Ali were making people "laugh" she'd be a fan favorite.

Bondmaiden

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 11:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't broken any rules that I know of. I simply stated that Ali and the rest of the HGs probably don't care what anyone here thinks about them and I think I'm correct in that assumption. People can yell all they want about Ali but trust me, not only does she not care, she doesn't even know us or will ever meet us.

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<<<I'm not defending Ali by bringing up other players. Only pointing out that there have been other HG's that have exhibited even worse behavior than Ali. Period. You're assuming it's a defense, it's not.>>> If it isn't a defense, then you wouldn't mention Marcie and Amy all the time. <<<However, it is true that neither Marcellus or Amy were raked over the coals as Ali has been because people laughed at them. Their insults were couched in humor and, therefore, were more acceptable.>>> Also patently false. I raked those 2, especially Marcie, because he was vicious to others both inside and outside the house. I didn't explain myself in response to Bondmaiden. It could read: "If you read the rules for posting messages, it obviously appears that the messageboard moderators are concerned about our thoughts and opinions being read by the houseguests after they have exited the game."

Steveh

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
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I agree that Ali does not care about my opinions or the opinions of any of the other houseguests or the opinions of any other human who has watched (or not watched) the show. LOL

Meggieprice

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 11:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know about that Bondmaiden- one of Ali's few weaknesses in this game has been her overreaction to hearing about how people perceive her. She is extremely affacted by how she is seen, talked about, etc.

That is why, if she really is a different person outside the house as Alisonfan said (and i was replying to the first post when the board went down, lol!) I would have expected her to give us a glmpse of the real Alison in the DR instead of furhtering her-IMO- negative qualities.

As far as looking at last year's houseguests- I see it differently. Jun and Ali this year- for ME- have been far worst, far more mean spirited and cruel. Wendo mentioned the humor in last years- that is a really big difference. for ME.