Archive through July 10, 2003
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Tishala | Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 03:39 pm     I think Jun might wear patent leather Mary Janes so she can look up her OWN skirt. |
Becca | Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 04:04 pm     Who says she is rejecting her culture? In some ways Jee is Americanized. Live with a girl before marriage, sleep around things he'll expect. But, why would Korean men want to give up the good parts for them about their culture: I.E their number one! I'm sure there are plenty of great Korean guys out there. However, I want to say anything, its not like Jee is the only Korean guy/asian guy Jun knows. Her dad's Korean, I'm sure she's meet many Korean men in her life and she has lived in that culture we haven't. Culture is an important factor and if someone is going to date someone from a different culture they need to be willing to compromise or accept their cultural values. |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 04:17 pm     Lots of assumptions flying here.. early in the season too. And, I like Jun. I'll cosign every word of Fruitbat's post above. Ideally, we'd all be full of ourselves and feel like we are hot. Cuz, you know.. that's part of BEING hot.. and thankfully there is a wide variety in taste.. I think Asian women are beautiful and in a wide range of "looks". Jun putting another woman down for feeling hot isn't her best attribute, but plenty of people seem to feel fine making that same judgement here.. As for her plotting to have people voted out.. isn't that what they are all doing? |
Ministryoftruth | Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 04:46 pm     I think there is a big difference between being confident and being arrogant or conceited and sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. There is nothing wrong with being confident. I am having a bad first impression of Jun because of her commenting on 1)her assumption that Erika has been surgically enhanced (which is entirely Erika's business)and 2)her remark about Erika being 33 and therefore "at her peak and on the way downhill". I think disparaging comments about others show the complete opposite of confidence. Humility is something I admire in others. I think bieng humble demonstrates confidence rather than arrogance and Jun comes across a little more on the arrogant side. JMHO |
Sweetbabygirl | Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 05:06 pm     SBG applauds furiously at Ministry....I couldn't have said it better myself!! |
Cricket | Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 05:07 pm     "Asian men have small feet." ROFL, Fruitbat, and we all know Jun would never stand for that! I just can't like her either, not because of who she dates, but she just seems very overbearing and someone you could only be around for a few minutes a day. |
Costacat | Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 05:24 pm     I'm with Ministry on this... Jun got off to a crummy start in my mind by: 1) talking about boobage 2) saying 33 YO is past prime 3) saying (numerous times) about people looking up her skirt I have to say it... if you DON'T want someone to look up your skirt, you do NOT wear a "tiny" (her words) little skirt. I also have to say it's none of her business if someone is surgically enhanced (honestly, if Erika is, it's way less obvious than TaTaTanya of last season). And, I must add that I think I had not yet even HIT my prime when I was 33. I think Jun has an overinflated sense of self. I think that that can, on occasion, be justified. But what I've seen come outta her mouth (including the various other comments she's made), make me think in this case it surely ain't. Justified, I mean. |
Sweetbabygirl | Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 05:34 pm     ROTFLMAO....TaTaTanya, that's frickin' classic!! |
Costacat | Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 05:35 pm     I think I misspelled her name... should it be TaTaTonya? |
Jillybean | Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 06:21 pm     Ok I am going out on a limb here and also say IMHO I think Jun wants to be a white blonde and she doesnt want to be asian... her comment about her saying "she doesn't date ANY asian men".. was shallow and it said so much about her! |
Curlyq | Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 09:21 pm     Why assume that Jun's reason for not dating Asian men have to do with Asian looks? Now THAT'S a shallow comment. She seemed to make it clear that she didn't date Asian men because of the way the culture treats women. That goes pretty deep. It seems a bit drastic and premature to say Jun wants to change her own race simply because she chooses to date outside it. For all we know she may absolutely love her Asian features, and if I had her hair I certainly wouldn't trade it for blonde. |
C1mag | Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 09:40 pm     anyone notice that Jun really does have an attraction to Nate and she's a bit rough on the other girls and she could care less. Lets see once they get use to her humor if someone doesn't tell her to go to hell. I like this girl but I think she's gonna wear thin on some. hmmm... maybe she's wearing thin on me already LOL |
Tumbler | Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 08:38 am     As I stated elsewhere, I found it unbelievable that upon seeing her ex-boyfriend for the first time,Jun jumped off the sofa and said she was going to throw up. I thought that was cruel. But then during the show last night,she said although she had wanted to break up with Jee for awhile,she held off cause his dad was dying from cancer. She also promised his dad that she would look out for him. I thought that was sweet of her.Hummm...this is one interesting girl. |
Crazydog | Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 08:45 am     Well, I agree with you Jillybean. I think Jun is a complete banana (or Twinkie, if you please). Yellow on the outside and white on the inside. I still am not making the connection as to why she assumes that there are not Asian men who are just as Americanized as she is. By using the excuse that she thinks Asian cultures treat women poorly, she is making a stereotype about ALL Asian men which is unfair. I just don't understand why many Asian women feel the need to dye their hair brown, like Jun does. I think she thinks it makes her look less Asian and more mainstream. That coupled with the disparaging comment about her Korean grandmother's cooking makes me think that she wants to be white. It's just my perception, but I have known many Asian girls who act just like her. They want to "marry white" and turn their back on their heritage. I knew a girl who said that she felt that if she ever wanted to get married, she would have to dye her hair. She did. And go figure, she married a white guy. |
Kearie | Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 08:55 am     My sister was adopted from Korea at the age of two. She will not date Asian guys either. It's not that she wants to be white, she just prefers black men. There also aren't many tall...over 5'10' Asian guys in the northwest. My sister is very into her ethnic heritage and teaches her children about Asian cultures and African-American cultures. To be honest, she resented the fact that my family did very little to teachher about her Asian culture. Never-the-less, she doesn't find Asians attractive. No big deal...I don't find blondes attractive. |
Puzzled | Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 09:43 am     I could understand if she had said she wouldn't date Korean (or any other) men who were domineering, or if she just said she was just more attracted to white/black, etc., men. I do like her sense of humour, though, and although she was not thrilled to be wearing that skimpy bikini, she sucked it up and walked out with confidence. |
Wendo | Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 10:08 am     I'm thinking...Jun will be that one polarizing HG on the board this season. Like Roddy last season, Nicole during season 2, or George during season 1. Just look at all the posts! LOL! |
Rabbit | Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 10:36 am     So Wendo are you going to take the Pro or Con, or is it SanFran's turn to pick? |
Grooch | Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 10:54 am     Yay, Jun!!!! |
Wendo | Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 11:12 am     LOL! Rabbit. I'm remaining on the fence for as LONG as I can this year. Man, you have a memory like a steal trap! |
Brenda1966 | Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 11:51 am     LoL Fruit about the small feet! I'm not sure what to make of Jun yet. Her comment about not dating Asians did bother me. But I have a Korean male friend who says he won't date Korean women because they are too overbearing and bossy. Things that make you go hmmm.... |
Kappy | Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 11:59 am     I'm with you, Wendo - on the fence this year. I haven't cared for what I've seen of Jun so far but I also remember how much my first impressions changed in the 3rd and 4th week of the show last year. Changing our minds during the season IS allowed, right everyone? I consider alot of Jun's comments to be very catty for no reason. She made a comment on the show about Jee being paired with Erika in the HOH competition which I assumed happened simply because they were sitting next to each other on the couch at the time. And yet Jun sounded angry at him for that. She doesn't want him speaking to her, and he seems to be respecting that, and yet she gets angry at every little thing he does. For a young woman who should be proud of all she has accomplished in life so far, she is still filled with huge underlying insecurities. I think it could be a blessing in disguise that she will be forced to deal with Jee at some point, during or after this show. I think someone hit it on the head when they talked about the fact that Jee knew her when she was heavy and as she lost the weight. He represents a time in her life when she was very unhappy. But maybe she needs to relook at what was really making her unhappy. It's obviously good that they ended the relationship and weren't meant for each other but it doesn't mean that he alone is responsible for her being unhappy. Anyways, I'm going to put off condemning her just yet. I keep reminding myself she's NOT Shannon, lol, she's not Shannon. |
Guinevere | Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 04:36 pm     I like her a lot. I haven't taken anything I've heard her say too seriously (including the crack about 33-year-olds, and I am one!). Of course, I've only seen the shows and not the live feeds, so maybe some of the dislike for her is based on things I'm not aware of...I took a lot of the self-love as being sort of mocking and ironic. As for not dating Korean men, I give a lot more latitude to people having prejudices within their own race. It's still not ideal, but it's not so much "racist" (as I saw her comments called on another board) as simply a prejudice born of experience. She may be shutting herself off from some great guys with this prejudice, but that's her business. And as has been pointed out, we really can't control who we're attracted to, so if she likes white guys or black guys or guys with polka-dots, more power to her. |
Prisonerno6 | Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 04:42 pm     I can't say whether I dislike any of the houseguests yet, but I can say Jun made a bad first impression on me. That may change with time, as may Erika's good first impression. Honestly, none of them is standing out one way or the other yet. |
Rudy | Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 06:49 pm     As an 4th generation American born Asian , I can sympathize with Jun and her dating experiences with other Asians. I dated both American born and foreign born Asians. But I wasn't able to find anyone who would accept me for me (a blend of 2 cultures). At 5' 1' and 98lbs I was told, that I was too fat, my feet were too big ( I wear a 5 1/2), I was to open the car doors for them, and that I was not allowed to talk to waiters in restaurants, and was not allowed to choose my dinner. I was also denigrated for my intelligence as well. Thank goodness I had enough wisdom to know that wasn't how I wanted to be treated. I have very happily ended up with a Caucasian husband. I didn't go out specifically looking for a Caucasion, we just sort of found each other and valued what we saw in each other as people irregardless of race. That being said, I am not critizing all Asian men. There were a few I dated that were fine people, however, they just weren’t the one for me. When it comes to Jun’s personality, I tend to believe that she has some self-esteem issues. Usually when one puts down others, they are trying to elevate their own self-worth. I do think some of her behavior with regard to Jee is immature. She has a lot of growing up to do. I was glad that she did stay with Jee when his father was ill. However on the whole, I find her personality a little too abrasive for my tastes. |
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