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Ladytex | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 06:18 am     <sd = references mentioned were removed and these no longer made sense. > |
Puzzled | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 06:32 am     Actually, from an educational psychology point of view, it often is. I'm glad you said, "often," because there are many well-read and highly intelligent people whose spelling is atrocious, and who cannot write well, either. |
Schoolmarm | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 06:41 am     Let's start another thread about the woes of academia in America. Prisoner...I was incorrect about the CC in PA. There are five in my area, well, kind of in my area. They are closer to Pittsburgh. Butler CC is 50 miles away in one direction, and in the other directions you have nothing OR have to go well over 100 miles before you hit a community college. So here in the western forest, we do not deal with community colleges very much. This is why Clarion and Indiana have branch campuses. Yes, the SSHE is open access or high access, especially at our branch campuses. But then, there is also the Penn State branch campus system. You can't throw a rock and not hit one! We also have a lack of private colleges or universities in our area, unlike the rest of the state, so Clarion, IUP, Edinboro, and Mansfield draw many open access students or those students who might choose a community college for financial or academic reasons. You are lucky if you are at the other end of the state. <about my typos> What do you expect from a musician? The typewriter keyboard doesn't respond as quickly as the piano or organ. I don't know why I'm a bad speller, except that I never thought that spelling was important or very interesting. I have really been working at being a better speller and I am ruthless in grading student papers with spelling and grammar. (Just like I am the technique and theory "Queen" with my piano students, as I had neither when I was a child.) I am extremely well read, however I read very fast and I think that I just "know" what a word means whether it is spelled correctly or not. I didn't miss ANY questions on the GRE analytical/logical portion, and the grad schools thought that I was an engineering/science/math major instead of a professional musician. I have an IQ through the roof, but I am a lousy speller. I have a highly creative learning style that is mixed with logical thinking and my poor spelling gets in the way sometimes, especially when writing notes on the board for my visual learners. I am a poor speller in ALL of the languages that I read/write and do research in, and often will choose a vocabulary word that I know how to spell instead of the best word for the situation. And now back on topic. I really DO hope that Donny dumps Ali. She has shown him little respect while in the BB house. Time will tell. |
Kaili | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 06:41 am     I'm laughing at my last post because of all the errors I see in it- I had just woken up and I had a really, really hard time getting my fingers to land where I wanted them on the keyboard. Anyway, I hadn't seen taht phychology post when I posted earlier so I have another comment. Possibly it has nothing to do with recognizing spelling errors and more to do with not bothering to proof read. I have a hard time typing two words in particular. I type "first" as "frist" and "that" as "taht" all the time. And I don't always re-read what I type to check for errors. See, I have to look when I type- I can't look at the screen. Me and my two pointer fingers stare at the keyboard- I can go a decent speed, but I never learned to type without looking. That means I type, but if I miss a letter or whatever, I'm not seeing it on the screen unless I go back and proofread. That could be the case here as well. |
Puzzled | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 06:59 am     Not two worree, fokes. "Pepys' Diary" is a classik and he coodn't spelle for beens. Nun of those geyes cood spelle becawse speling hadn't reely bin invented.  |
Prisonerno6 | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:17 am     "I'm glad you said, "often,"..." Ayup. The only absolute in cognitive or educational psychology is that there are no absolutes in cognitive or educational psychology. We live for the bell curve. |
Cagri | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:29 am     I wood like to by all of you pore spellers out their a nice kold won. |
Rosemp | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:01 am     Eye halve a spelling chequer: Eye halve a spelling chequer It came with my pea sea It plainly marques four my revue Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a key and type a word And weight four it two say Weather eye am wrong oar write It shows me strait a weigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee fore two long And eye can put the error rite Its rarely every wrong. Eye have run this poem threw it I am shore your pleased two no Its letter perfect in it's weigh My chequer tolled me sew. --author unknown |
Kaili | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:04 am     LOL- I was thinking about that poem reading this. I was going to find it and post it, then got distracted and forgot to. |
Steveh | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:18 am     Schoolmarm - Thanks for clearing up the stuff about Bloomsburg. You are correct--Div. II schools can give athletic scholarships. But nowhere have I "underestimated" Bloomsburg or other small colleges around the country. Why would I do that? I teach at a univ. that has 1250 students. I pointed out the differences between Pitt and Bloomsburg re. the opportunity football players have. Yes, many small college players now play in the NFL and have, over the years, starred in the NFL. Two players from my school's NAIA athletic conference made it in the NFL this year. Hundreds and hundreds of other graduating seniors from that conference did not. The Big East, I'm guessing, has a much better ratio. "Donnie's" email seems like something an average college student would come up with. |
Kaili | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:25 am     I agree that it's college level despite the writing because of the vocabulary. talk about re-evaluating one's standards for future relationships and talk of how one "portrays" themselves... while it's not impossible, not as many younger kids would use those words to fake an email/board post. Those aren't huge, unknown words but they are more adult type thoughts. If it was just some kid messing around, I wouldn't expect it to be written like that. |
Outlawout | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 10:20 am     Right on about Pepys, Puzzled. Chaucer couldn't spell either (or rather wrote long before English old enough language to have anything like a standardized form) I still say--If I write it and you understand it, the grammar and spelling functioned well enough. Obviously if everyone just did whatever they wanted it would be linguistic chaos. But a few easily interpretable errors in a casual conversational context don't seem to be a threat to the language. If I say I don't got no money, will ask me for some? No. And if it takes an awful lot of intellectual energy to figure out that I'm saying I'm lacking funds, then the problem is yours not mine. And, indeed, I am living proof that the ability to spell and the ability to type are vastly different skills. I'm a hunt and pecker. I wrote a disseration that way, and man did it need proofreading. |
Puzzled | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 10:32 am     If I write it and you understand it, the grammar and spelling functioned well enough. So true, especially when you consider that some people have impeccable spelling and grammar and a huge vocabulary, but you need a translator to understand them. (Some philosophers and theologians are masters of obfuscation.) |
Puzzled | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 10:35 am     Cagri- Thank ewe vary mutch. Rosemp - Thank ewe, two. |
Puckerbutt | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 10:39 am     Have I earned any college credit for reading this entire thread? |
Puzzled | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 10:42 am     Have I earned any college credit for reading this entire thread? You are hereby awarded a DOO--Doctorate of Outlandish Orthography. |
Outlawout | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 10:45 am     OOH OOH! Derrida! The only way to read him is with your head in the oven. |
Outlawout | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 10:48 am     Puckerbutt, You have earned my admiration. This thread has got to be pretty boring for anyone but us pretentious, self-important academic types. |
Steveh | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:13 am     Outlawout - Again, I agree w/you. Have you ever seen the movie where Derrida played a detecitive named Jacques Derrida? To the person wanting college credit - Yes, you get a PhD. Pile it Higher & Deeper. LOL |
Jolly_Penguin | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:49 am     In contrast to Schoolmarm, I'm an idiot, and my spelling is perfect. |
Friktion | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 12:02 pm     Uh - by the way, HAS anyone found out if this thread is even true? Is it Donnie who wrote the email or not? Any news? |
Cagri | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 12:11 pm     LOL Steveh, I have never heard that one before! I have heard other versions of PhD, but I like yours best! |
Busydizzle | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 12:13 pm     Schoolmarm, I'm a musician, too! I'm a senior organ performance major. Just thought that was an odd coincidence. |
Bohawkins | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 12:20 pm     I actually think that the bad spellers we see so often today have come from the practice of teaching children to read with phonetics (or perhaps it is called phonics). As adults they tend to spell words out like they sound. In my business I have had the occasion to hire quite a few young people just out of university. They are all brilliant (or they wouldn't be working for me) and most of them are very poor spellers. The theory which some have expressed in this thread, that if you read copiously you will spell well is proven fallacious by the experience with my work associates, all of whom are avid readers of science fiction and technical books and journals. It took me a while to realize what was going on in their brains. I think in the formative years when a child is learning to read if one teaches with the current phonics systems, it, in effect damages brain synapses (who knows?) which impairs their spelling ability, perhaps permanently. I learned to read first by sight, and then, after I was reading, I was taught to utilize a "sounding out" process for words I didn't know. Because of the difference (in my opinion) in my early reading training, I am a walking spelling checker for my business associates. However, I do make errors from time to time, especially in a posting done in a hurry. I looked at Donny's post and if you correct the spelling errors and a couple of tiny grammatical errors, it is not so bad. He certainly communicated his message clearly, and that is the purpose of good writing. |
Mystery | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 12:45 pm     Communication IS the main purpose of good writing but I would never call a post with that many spelling and grammatical mistakes good writing. |
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