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Rainwoman

Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 09:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am so tired of hearing the "F" word come out of their mouths every other 4 or 5 words or so.

All BB has to do is tell them in the Diary Room to TONE IT DOWN A BIT. We have to hear it on just about every show, and it's SO ANNOYING! BB can't even edit it out of the show, they just bleep it. Even THAT is annoying now. geez.

Marymary

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you Rainwoman...I have nothing against the F word. Moderately and appropriately used, it CAN be most effective (as in the final word in a stupid argument, "F**K YOU!) But OMG, every other word!? It's very similar (for me) to listening to someone talk who says 'like' at the beginning of every sentence or who inserts a 'um-ah' between phrases. Just really hard to listen to! It makes the speaker sound ignorant.

Justalittlebean

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The way it flows from their mouth, I wonder how they keep a job. Your right Mary, all it does is make them sound ignorant. They are going to be in for a rude awakening if they read these feeds when they get out.

Bracken

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, I personally find the use of it too much even for me. And I do use it liberally (am trying to reduce reliance on it myself after listening to these folks,lol). I just wish they would become more creative and use it more as an adjective, adverb, etc.

My personal favorite is absof***inglutely, lol.

What I do find hard to believe is that the chats for live feeds are censored when we are listening to this word every minute of the day (unless they are sleeping.) They have gone so far with this censorship perfectly acceptable words.

For instance: if someone types ...

I was so angry that Alison won the HOH it shows up in the chat room as

I w** *o angry that Alison won ...

They are removing any reference to @$$ even with spaces in between. They even allow that word on the airwaves now.

Just more of their ridiculous double standards. You agree that you are watching adult content when you sign onto the feeds, and then you are required to decipher perfectly acceptable words because of their overzealous censoring.

OK, rant over!

Jooleechenlvr

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If I had a quarter for every time Gee, Allison,Jun, and some others said the F word, I wouldn't have to worry about the prize money. I would get more than the winner would get. Didn't in BB2 CBS move the show to 9:00 Eastern time because of the language and adult activity and this year on the Tuesday and Friday shows that start at 8:00 the language is so much worse.

Marymary

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just don't know...it seems that they DO know better. I'm thinking about Jee's conversations with Jack. He never said it once during those conversations. Is it a sign of the times? Maybe it is. In 1999 I drove an elderly neighbor to her optometrist app't and she was treated very rudely by the some of staff. When I pointed out the rudeness, one of the young women working there said, "Get over it, lady...it's the nineties!" I promise that is verbatim! It is mildly amusing NOW but at the time, I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone!

Rainwoman

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is the second time Julie also pointed out the phrases, "b*tches/sl*ts/and wh*res" on LIVE TV.

I'm beginning to think she likes it. LOL.

It amazing how those words are allowed to be used on TV now, and we have to be moderated if we type it, lmao. I can't even say @ss. Maybe I should just type this from now on. (__Y__)

Makays

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh my Marymary...... Sad to say but it is our society today. Extremely rude, most today have little respect for anyone or anything.

("Get over it, lady...it's the nineties!) What's that got to do with the price of tea in china? I'm appalled at times at how we treat each other. I try to be kind to all. I really do. I was raised to treat others as you would want to be treated. Sometimes I do lose my cool, have to reel myself in.

I always hope that being kind to someone will in turn have them do the same for someone else.

I will now get off my bandwagon. Just had to reply as that bothered me.

Earthmother

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The problem with many young people today is that they didn't learn "there's a time and place for everything".. Things my mother told me:
* What you say when talking to your friends is not what you say to your grandmother.

* 4 letter words are expected when a group of teens get together privately, but not used in church.

* You may laugh and talk with your mouth full when picnicing with your buddies, but you will show good table manners at home.

* You may act the fool at home, but you better be a lady in public.

this is how many (I hope most) were raised...BOUNDARIES...Being able to adjust yourself to meet allllll social situations and act appropriately.

We discussed this at length last year when commenting on the behavior of Tonya, Chiara and Lisa. They didn't seem to know the difference between public behavior and private, nothing was sacred. I have seen less of that behavior this year but still see many of the hgs have very little understanding of boundaries.

Gen

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rainwoman, I totally agree with you. I am new to the board and had not seen any mention of this behavior so I thought I was the only one offended by the language. So glad I have company. I, too, wonder how they keep jobs as I have seen fellow employees reprimanded for the same. They are capable of using good language. Jun spoke very well in her HOH interview. Joolee, I think that you would earn more than the $500,000 if you got even five cents for each time the "word" was used. I think that it is too late for BB to stop it now, but I hope that they stop it for any future BBs. The program could be entertaining without the foul language, it degrades the quality of the program.

Bohawkins

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I find it amusing that people who are opposed to the use of profanity cause others to have a mental image (or sound) of the very word they oppose every time they write the term, "F word." If you don't wish to be associated with the word, then just call it "an inappropriate word" or "profanity," but when you spell it out as "the F word," you have just used it. Readers are saying it silently by thinking it.

Someone, the other day, was telling me how shocked they were about someone else saying "f you" and "f'ing this and f'ing that" in a conversation. She might as well have used the real words outright because the effect was exactly the same to me and other listeners. I said to her. "It's just a word. What the f (actually saying the letter sound of f) difference does it make anyway?" I continued to talk that way to her, literally saying f'n and f'r instead of the real words. She never batted an eye, and never called me on it. As ironic as that presents itself, as long as I didn't say the forbidden term in its full form, such usage was acceptable speech to her.

I personally find the use of any profanity to be a detriment to good speech because it habituates corrupted patterns of word choice. Continued reliance on profanity results in the ability to find and use suitable descriptive words becoming severely impaired. That guideline extends to terms like gosh, darn, friggin and the like, all words which some previous generations substituted for more colorful profanities. Many times I have made observations of certain individuals' speech, actually mentally removing these words along with conventional profanity from phrases being spoken to me. This exercise results in the realization that when you consider what is left, some people are communicating only on a level you would have expected from a Neanderthal.

Marymary

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's something someone emailed me yesterday that proves that point, Bo:
The brain does amazing things, doesn't it?

Instructions: Just read the sentence straight through without really
thinking about it.

Acocdrnig to an elgnsih unviesitry sutdy the oredr of letetrs in a wrod
dosen't mttaer, the olny thnig thta's iopmrantt is that the frsit and lsat
ltteer of eevry word is in the crcreot ptoision. The rset can be jmbueld and
one is stlil able to raed the txet wiohtut dclftfuiiy.

Bbfanatic

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i wouldnt mind the F'word if Colin Farrell was the hg.

Woodpecke®

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Colin Ferrell is a rebel without a clue.

Bbfanatic

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
he dont have to have a clue.

Seamonkey

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One point made in this thread was "public" vs "private" speech.

I would submit to you that IN the house they ARE using "private" speech. Yes, I know and they know that it isn't really private but we've been told by virtually every reality show participant that they mostly blank out the cameras, or the internet from the reality they are experiencing.

The DR is supposed to be private, at least at the time it is being recorded.

Speaking to Julie is "public" and most of them DO moderate their speech to some extent.

Chiparock

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gosh darn it to heck, I sure miss the Nixon era and its plethora of "expletives deleted"!

Foliage

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mary...love your brain thing

Spot

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Marymary - that is amazing!! That was so easy to read - I hardly slowed down to interpret it. Thanks for the "mind trivia" - I had never heard that one before.

Volgirl

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Ali is much more of trash mouth than Robert. She even had to catch herself in the DR session shown on TV.

Bohawkins

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 11:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Marymary- that is an amazing piece of text. I printed it out in a large size and in a handwriting font just to make it more confusing.

I handed it to several people and the reaction has been universal. Everyone has read it instantly without difficulty. It is very converstation provoking.

I now have the printout posted on a corkboard and passers by are all impressed.

I am writing a quick piece of code which will instantly change text to this style and I am considering sending out all of my memos this way in future.

Rainwoman

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bohawkins, are you kidding me???!

I wasn't talking about profanity in GENERAL, I was SPECIFICALLY pointing out how many times THAT "F" word is used on the show, and I'm sick of hearing it on the live feeds as well!

If I really wanted to get crude about it, I would have just said the WHOLE WORD, or said "f*** this, and f*** that!

EXCUSE ME! I was trying to be respectful on the subject, but YOU used it more than I did in your whole paragraph. Go figure.

Earthmother

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I totally agree Seamonkey..I think after a while they are completely unaware of the cameras and when speaking to each other they are doing so as if it were a private conversation. However, I am seeing more and more unacceptable public behavior in my classroom every year.

Marymary

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 03:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know, Bo...it is thought provoking. I've felt pride in my spelling ability and turns out it doesn't mean squat! At least not in the way I thought.

Needmylifeback

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 03:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just participated on another un-reality board in a thread about typos/spelling errors. The person who started this particular thread was upset that there were people that didn't spell check their posts and she was getting tired of all of the spelling errors...I'm going to cut and paste MaryMary's example...I'll let you know if there is an uproar there! Thanks!