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Markty

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
2 ideas. First off how about a rule where the nominee who is NOT evicted automatically becomes the next of Head of House. Or the evictee names the new HoH on the way out the door. This would make nominations more strategic and risky rather than just nominating 2 people you want out.
Also how about a rule that at the end if (and only if) ALL 7 jury members vote "neither" than nobody gets the 500K. (but it would have to be unanimous-if 6 jurors vote to give nobody the prize and 1 votes for Jun than Jun wins)
Make the biggest jerks in the house stop aligning with each other to the end.

Crazydog

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think America should be given one vote each week, to be counted amongst the houseguests' votes. They need to figure out a way to make a vote that can't be tampered.

Kellirippa

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keep the jury members in the house after "illimination" and allow them to continue to vote for "illimination". They would be able to see the goings on first hand.

Seanflynn2003

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I disagree entirely with the premise.
From day one, I have wanted Jun to win.
And Allison and Jun making the final two will show future contestants that being in set alliances from the beginning (which itself makes a very boring show) is not necessarily the best way to go.

Lurknomore

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Crazy, but I've been preaching that since before BB started. I understand in principle why they removed the vote from America. But that was when the house clearly had some nice people and some evil people.

I think since BB has become so predictable they should be told that say 3 or 4 times predetermined times per season America will get the FULL vote but that won't be announced until AFTER nominations and veto (if they keep the stupid veto). They should also be told that we won't be seeing the diary rooms when we are (let legal have a whack at it I'm sure they can figure something out).

That would shake up the house, alliances, and game plans. Not to mention make more folks watch to 1) see if this is the week we can vote and 2) all participants are more interested than observers in life. And I would even think Arnie/Ali et al would like it cause if they see someone popular about to be evicted, what do you know it's one of those weeks America votes

Arnie can you hear me..........

Spunky

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keep count of who says the most "f" words and then compile a list, the person with the most "f" words gets a penalty nomination or put them on pbj all week.
That should be fun (Imagine how much pbj they'll have to eat...)

Crazydog

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Seanflynn, I like Jun as well, so I don't agree with the title of this thread that a Jun/Ali finale is a "disaster". As much as I don't like Alison, I have been surprised that it will be a Jun/Ali final, because I never would have expected two floaters to make it to the end. I had thought that once everyone knew they were trying to be on both sides that they would be easy targets and the next ones out.

Kk4

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk! GMTA! I just posted the same thing in a differnt thread. But I would be more evil hehe, I wouldn't tell them about the viewers votin till the 2nd week!

Bastable

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't believe that the Ali/Jun matchup is a disaster. I think it's great gamesmanship and great TV.

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Bastable, Michelle and Robert ........ THAT would have been a disaster. :)

Ark

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't consider the Ali/Jun final a disaster at all. I like some of the posted ideas just to shake things up but I'm not unhappy with this years outcome. Sure nicer people could have been in the finals and I could have a nice warm fuzzy feeling but these two have played this game very hard so I have no problem with them being rewarded for it.

Lurknomore

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Ali wins it WILL be a disaster...and Jun...well...let me say this much. Other than Dave, Jack and possibly Amanda who I didn't get to know well enough to know for sure, there wasn't anyone I liked or wanted to see win. To me there is little fun in rooting for someone when you don't care who wins. Right now I'm only rooting for Jun because of how much I do NOT want Ali to win.

If they are gonna give us folks we hate they should be folks we love to hate, not just want to barf at. That's my

And love it KK...a sponanious combustion of ideas...MUST be a good idea. And I almost said don't tell em about it till the vote but thought that they would whine uncontrollably LOL. Of course if it's folks like this year that would be pretty much par for the course hehe.

Muse

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's just all a matter of casting. There were just so many similar (and in my opinion, nasty) people this season that it was highly unlikely that a fan favorite would win. I think they should try to cast more people who will consider who they actually *like* when they vote...in this game, it was pure strategy from the beginning. I prefer seeing a mix, with more likable people who would consider friendships to *some* extent (even if it's minimal -- like how Danielle could backstab with the best of them, but still had loyalty to Jason because she cared about him), right along with strategy and game play. Nicer people are the ones who often get targeted first, so they need the odds in their favor a little bit to have a chance. :)

I'd also love to see the viwers decide something major...like HOH one week, or maybe veto. That'd be fun.

And I would prefer it if the show didn't have stuff like the exes, where we had to watch relationships develop based on things we knew nothing about (stuff from the outside world). I like seeing strangers interact and develop (and often change) their opinions of each other.

Maris

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think of all the houseguesgts Ali and Jun played the game the hardest and from the beginning. I wouldnt go out to dinner with either of them on a Friday night but they do deserve to be there at the end and fighting it out.

I would rather see BB5 come up with more interesting and intelligent houseguests because the show became a big bore to me after Dana, Justin, David were gone. I didnt even watch the last two shows and stopped watching the feeds a few weeks ago.

The first rule of business is figuring out a way where they cannot throw HOH competitions. There needs to be some way of injecting more chance into the competitions without putting it to America having a choice in the outcome. Look at this year, based on Americas choice Robert probably would win this game.

No exes next year absolutely.

Crazydog

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the people that finish the two worst on the HoH competitions should be subjected to some kind of punishment. Not necessarily PB&J, since that's already part of the food competition. But I'd say maybe that the two people that do the worst in the HoH competition will be ineligible to compete in the luxury competition held that week. This would certainly give more of them an incentive to not throw the HoH comps.

Crossfire

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd like to comment on this nasty angle.

When it comes to the game, I am all for nasty. Be as nasty as nasty can be. BB is not a team sport, but an individual event. It is not a summer camp, but a competition one enters hopefully with the intention of winning the grand prize. If people develop friendships, that is fine, but in the end, they need to be watching out for #1 at all times, which toward the end, I want to include, eating your own.

Having said that, I could also do with less of the brand of nasty that extends beyond the house.

There is an element of this game that one would think would have a moderating effect on the behaviour of those playing, and that is the fact that those on the outside ultimately have more power than those on the inside.

I think part of the reason we are seeing people readily swing the +5 sword of nastiness this year is that those in the game must feel they have a certain immunity to any effect of those outside the game.

My feeling on the jury, is that they should either know everything, or know nothing and be kept apart. What we have this year is some weird mix of the two. Perhaps a solution to this is to pump the feeds into the jury house. That would result in a more informed vote in the end, and also keep those in the game focused more on those inside the house than ripping apart those outside the house.

Bastable

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, yes, yes Maris. I agree with everything you said in that particular post.

Maybe the key to making sure HGs can't throw HoHs is to do them all like last year's gnome contest or this year's Quorridor contest. HGs knock out people they don't want to win. That way, if a person knocks themselves out, it's plain for all to see.

Gina8642

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think a Jun/Ali final is a disaster at all. For weeks I've been thinking this would be the most facinating final two possible.

From the beginning I've been rooting for Jun - although often put off by what she says - I think is facinating for someone like her to move forward in the game.

Recently, I've been getting sick of Jun, and if I had a vote, I might even vote for Alison - shocking I know to all those who dispise Ali so much.

I think last year's final was just boooorrrrrrrrrrrriiiiinnnnnggggg!!!!! Nice perfect Lisa, against Evil Danielle - it was such a no brainer, I didn't find it all that interesting.

Watching a bunch of nice people in the BB house has proved bad for ratings - I doubt they will ever cast it that way.

I hope next year's final will be different - not because this one is 'bad', it's just that I think variety is interesting.

Spunky

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey, I'm all for it... let the Jury read the feeds.. that'd be great!!!
Mmm should we let the remaining hgs know that they are being watched by the Jury?? They may act more decently but they may repeat what BB 1 contestants did, play for America, and these ones will be playing for the Jury... nah, don't tell them.

Meggieprice

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eliminating the ghastly final so called diamond POV could have saved THIS year.

Crazydog

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bastable, I don't think that would work. It would just ensure that the alliance which is in power would continue to hold the HoH. They could all simply determine the order of who to knock out first. I never like that immunity contest on Survivor because I feel it's unfair to the alliance with smaller members.

Bastable

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So true, Crazydog.

Well then, maybe now and then they could have a Veto in which the winner is permitted to choose a replacement nominee themselves--and even be able to nominate the reigning HoH. But only once or twice in the game, and always unannounced. The Pewter Veto?

Spike763

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
haven't read all the posts, but to add to your scenario, markty, if the veto is used to remove a nominee, either by someone else or yourself, you are NOT eligible for the HOH as you would have been if you stayed a nominee. would make some think twice about using the veto, or entice others to use the veto if they felt they didn't want the remaining nominee as HOH.

Lovelynessa

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see how Ali and Jun in the finals is a disaster. I have wanted Jun in the finals from day one. And while I absolutely loath Ali, I think she has played a hard game. The game is not about who "deserves" to make it to the finals it's about who CAN make it to the finals and abvoulsy the people standing at the end are thone who made it happem- one way or the other. Big Brother would be a complete bore if only the players who we "liked" made it to the end. With Ali and Jun in the end I think it will be very entertaining to see how the jury votes and such play out. This is a game, not a popularity contest.

Monalisahi

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggie, yes, but that is hindsight. The scenario could have easily been that Erika and Jun were nominated, Erika won DPOV and evicted either Ali or Jun.

But I will agree that the DPOV took away a certain aspect of the game. Instead of lobbying for a vote, they were working themselves up for that comp. That POV gave entirely too much power to the holder.