Hypothetical: Allison vs. Robert for final 2, who would you vote for?
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Busydizzle

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure which word is sadder in this thread: "scum" or "irregardless". LOL/jk : )

Foliage

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali gets my vote. Have not been able to stomach Robert from day 1.

very well said Nadi.

Scbookworm

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd vote for Ali. At least she has made it interesting which is more than I can say for Robert. Ali played hard and has pulled out all the stops when it counted. I expect she will do no less in part 3 of the HOH comp. Jun and Robert are all too eager to be carried along by others. Not Ali. She does for herself. I can respect that if not always the way she went about things. I would, however, choose Jun over Robert as comparatively she has played the better game. It will be interesting to see how the jury sees it - clouded by emotion and their own personal experiences with her in the house.

Earthmother

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess it just depends on how some perceive the posts they read because I have not now nor will I ever SLAM another poster...

Pantageas

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As of right now, I'll give Robert one big credit that I can't give Alison...

Robert never betrayed an alliance.

Thunder

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali, because I would vote based on who played the game better. Not better than ANYONE, mind you, because I think JUN did that. They played alike in many ways, except Jun used her brain instead of her body, and she showed intelligence and compassion in the DR, where Ali continued to flaunt her ignorance and snottiness.

A word about voting for who needs the money or based on how they would spend it -- Bunky p*ssed me off during the BB2 Q&A when he asked Will if he would give any of the prize money to charity and if so, which charity. That, IMO, is a very personal question and was none of his damn business. Votes in this game shouldn't be based on whether someone gives to your favourite charity. I pretty much lost it for Bunky at that very moment.

I would vote for Ali just as I would vote for Danielle and for Will. Couldn't stand any of them throughout the game, but they were the best players.

Vskatefan

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Like Danielle, Ali played only half the game well. You can alienate the jury and then expect their vote.

Sunrvrose

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 12:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Saw topic, didn't read any of the posts, don't want to be influenced.

Clearly, to me, if it is a Rob and Ali final 2, Ali deserves the win. Rob has done nothing to deserve the win. I was going to say that he hasn't won anything, but I guess he has. He won HOH and I think 2(?) POV'S. But, nonetheless, he is a weak player, while Ali has played her guts out. She deserves to win.

Oh, did I forget to mention Jun, the dumbed down, do nothing, earn nothing, hollow shell of a person??, sorry, but I think Jun is a dumbed down, do nothing, hollow shell of a person. I think I have now covered Jun.

My choice to win, from the beginning was Erica. She has a soft, likeable, exotic and fascinating persona. Hopefully, she will get a call from "One Life to Live" to play one of the Vega relatives, soon. I can soooo see her playing the sister of the mom or a long lost child, sister to Christian and Antonio. And Oh My Heck, I hope she can act as well as she did on BB.

Wendo

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 12:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Pantageas said, "As of right now, I'll give Robert one big credit that I can't give Alison...Robert never betrayed an alliance."

Well, I would say, one, he never had any opportunity to. And, secondly, his alliance was gone before it would become an option.


Vskatefan said, "Like Danielle, Ali played only half the game well. You can alienate the jury and then expect their vote."

As I said in another thread, is the game over yet? I see a lot of people assuming that Ali has surely alienated the jury; that she'll receive no votes, etc. However, the game's not over yet. At this point, she is playing a good game. She's in the final three; and will likely be in the final two, regardless if she wins that final HOH or not. (Both Rob and Jun have indicated, to date, their intention of taking Ali with them.) Additionally, the only jury member with known animosity of Ali is Dana. She's one vote. Other than Dana, the others haven't expressed any real anger at Ali or intention to not vote her the half million should she be in the final two.

Ruditoo

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ROBERT

Wink

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 05:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Anyone who has played organized sports and has lost a playoff series somewhere along the way in their quest for the final championship usually wants to see the team that knocked them out be the ultimate champion.

As much as listening to Alison is like sticking a hot poker up my nose, in my mind there's no doubt that with the time they've had to reflect, the jury would give Alison the win.

I think Rob would only have Jee and Justin's vote because "the team" want to be seen as loyal to the end and would hope to share in some of the "spoils" of his victory. I think Dana is a wild card because even tho it appears she has solidified some kind of relationship with Justin her competitive side might take over and she will concede Alison played the better game.

I guess I need to read the thread titles more carefully-nothing there about how the jury will vote. Oh well my sports analogy is how I would feel about who would get my final vote

Missapril

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 05:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Uh, there are two other people in the final three ergo, by some wisdom, they have played equally good games as anyone else in that position... robert had every possible opportunity everyone else with an alliance had to betray his alliance and chose not to. The jury are pretty normal human beings with pretty normal feelings and pretty straight perspectives and perceptions... it's rather, uh, simple, to think, much less state, that a person doesn't hold animosity toward a person who has rightly earned that response simply because one has not not seen/heard that outright expression on an edited tv program. ah, to be that naive again...

Allietex

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 07:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I feel in a game such as this, there is no such thing as "deserving" it or not. Everyone who is still in the house played the game well enough to be there. Whoever manages to win deserves it. The only thing that differs is their methods. Each uses a different strategy. I find it interesting that these three represent the most commonally used stategies in reality games.

There is Robert who joined a strong alliance which protected him at times he might otherwise have been ejected, while also being the "least threatening of the alliance." So others go after your partners before you because they are perceived as the bigger threat.

June played under the radar. Don't be a threat and don't "pi$$" other folks off enough that they just have to see you out, but just enough that others see you as beatable in the end. This is a tightrope and can backfire as we have seen on many occasions, as the other players peg them as not playing the game, when in fact they just played differently.

Ali is typical of the "floater." She is unable for whatever reason to form a strong alliance and her personality prevents playing under the radar, so she is forced by necessity to use whatever means she can just to stay in the game. She makes short term alliances and then has to break them when they come into conflict, she makes promises and breaks them, and she wins the competions when she has to, to protect herself. The drawback to this stategy is that while staying in the game, she pi$$es a lot of people off, but let's face it if she had not played this way, she would have been gone a long time ago.

Also let's remember that the evicted houseguests do not have the benefit of access to the DR comments and their friends and families opinions like the ones in the past have. They have only their own impressions and those of their fellow evicted houseguests, so some of the ugly comments while objectionable might not be heard by all of the jury. While I strongly dislike and disapprove of the catty comments and the profanity, I have to ignore it while deciding who I want to win, because they have all three said objectional things. (Actually not any worse than some of the things said about them on this board.)

I have seen posters say that the pressures of the house reveal what a person's real character is like. I disagree. I think it is more like in an argument, when in anger we say things we don't mean and later regret. I imagine that many of the houseguests will cringe in horror when they see themselves on the tapes.

How the winner uses the money is not an issue with me. I am watching a game. I have never rooted for a certain team to win a championship because of how they are going to use the money they get for winning. If the winner uses it to help others, that is admirable, but it is not an issue for me in who I want to win. And after all, this bunch has not offered to fund a foundation, send poor kids to college, or donate the money to medical research. They want to help their families. Excuse me but isn't that what we all want to do? That is not extraordiary enough to influence who I am pulling for.

As to who I would vote for, none of the three are my favorites. But of the ones left, I would have to say Ali. I respect her. I like the way she has managed to stay in the game when by all odds she should have been gone long ago. I think there is a lot more to her than the airhead she pretends to be. I think she is fundamentally a strong and decent person, who if we met her outside the house we would like. Of course this is just my own opinion and everyone has one, so mine is not any better than anyone else's.

Sorry for the long post, but I have been offline for awhile due to moving and have not been able to post. I have missed you guys and lot and have been catching up on things this last week.

Boberg

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 07:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Allison would get my vote..done what she needed to do when she needed to do it..what a scapper!
I could not give Robert the 1/2 million because of his lack of fortitude..when the going gets tough he quickly gives up..witness the cage comp. the standing on a house comp.. the telling Jee to put him up if the PB&J was for 2 weeks..etc.
Allietex..excellent, well thought out post!

Wendo

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 07:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Allietex, great post! And, missed you too. Hope the move went well.


Missapril said, "Uh, there are two other people in the final three ergo, by some wisdom, they have played equally good games as anyone else in that position..."

I never said the other two HG still in the game weren't playing a good game. I was addressing only Ali as she was the one referred to in the post I was replying to.

"robert had every possible opportunity everyone else with an alliance had to betray his alliance and chose not to."

True. However, as I said, there was no need though. He was able to hide behind two strong players who were larger targets than he was. And, by the time it became an option (ie: last week), his alliance was gone. It's just my opinion.

"The jury are pretty normal human beings with pretty normal feelings and pretty straight perspectives and perceptions... it's rather, uh, simple, to think, much less state, that a person doesn't hold animosity toward a person who has rightly earned that response simply because one has not not seen/heard that outright expression on an edited tv program. ah, to be that naive again..."

Well, I don't know who's being naive, but I'm basing my opinion of the jury based on what I saw of them on the live feeds, not the tv show. As I said, only Dana expressed any true animosity toward Ali. The other five expressed frustration with her game play, but no animosity or hate.

Racegirl

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My vote would go to Ali. She is done whatever she needed to do to stay in the game. I think she has played harder than anybody esle.

And for Robert, I have not liked him from day one. The 2 vetos he won, Jee let him win those. And the HOH that he won, should of been Erika's. His math really sucks.

Emdanzma

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali. As much as I don't like her, she has done fairly well in competitions. Robert seemed to hide behind Justin and Jee while they were more targets then he was.

Redpen

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison. She has worked hard at her treachery. Robert was mostly carried along by his alliance.

Kalekona

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Boberg - will didn't have any fortitude and never won a thing...

Hardy won almost everything..

I think Ali's only true brillant move was Nate.. and it is also the move likely to loose her the money. By not standing by Nate after the veto she showed the HG a lot about Ali. Even if she had turned on Nate a week later she should have been greatful and not immediatly bit the had that fed her.

Earthmother

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would vote for Robert over Ali, simply because of his loyalty and the fact that he didn't dismiss giving props to those who helped him instead of trashing them.

If it's Jun and Ali at the end I definately would vote on a purly personal level...my vote would go to the one who bad mouthed me the least.

IMO anyone who gets to this point played a good game whether they were the aggressor or the coat tail rider, their role worked for them.

Rainwoman

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We can get rid of this thread now. LMAO!

Mystery

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 04:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Robert has rarely said mean things about people who helped him. However, I'd rather have someone win who helped THEMSELVES. Robert was carried along.

Wendo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 04:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, I agree, he rarely said mean things about people who helped him...well, except Erika the past few days. And, well, most of the women in the house (ie: Jun doing the cooking of the food he's eating.) So, yeah, hardly any mean things at all..........

Juiceman

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert would win my vote easily for the following reasons:

Played the game 'straightforward' and was loyal to his team.

Came the farthest in terms of Odds (being on the ex minority)

Robert played the best all around game in the sense of being kind and low-key enough to get under a radar, yet busy enough to be involved.
- Won Pov twice and HoH once but also played and won enough in the daily social 'wins'

Alison to me played for second place. She didnt fool anyone or 'play' anyone except Nathan. Otherwise she is ONLY here for winning vetos and comps.

Im not taking credit from Alison's veto wins but just saying Robert won comps AND played well in the house.

Caycaye

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Juiceman..and I would have to vote ROBERT to win...how anyone can "respect" Ali...a young woman who can not even respect HERSELF enough to refrain form showing how classless she is at every hour of the day...is beyond me!

Carrie92

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 12:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd have to go with the lesser of two evils and say Robert. I don't think any of the F3 deserve to win (I was rooting for Jun until she jumped on the "let's call a 7-yr old little girl a b*tch" bandwagon today).
I really doubt the jury will give any votes to Ali. Before they left the house many of them were talking about not wanting her to win because they didn't want her to think her behavior is acceptable. Don't remember exact words but Jack/Erika discussed it a lot, as did Jun, Jee...