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Trinity2525

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How funny that we see erica asking the question to Jun about badmouthing and then we see her telling awfull things about Jee lol

Bastable

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A small victory for diversity in America, by the way--an Asian-American reality show winner with an Asian-American host.

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cs, NOW you are talking!!!!

(how sad is it that Dave's been out of the house for two months and he's getting as much hype on this thread as Jun and Ali are .......... not sad for us, but sad for the show)

Neko

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dave in anything would be hot. LOL
Either way, he didn't win, should have, but didn't.
Maybe then I actually would have paid attention and watched Big brother, instead of watching it between the commercials of West Wing

PS - Hype from us two Clio., and we don't count ^_^

Cangaroo

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No, no no...Dave in tux undies...I've seen them at the mall at Vickie's secret...

Donut

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i guess no one was listening to FOTH anyways since noone answered my question..

I thought tonite's show was a very satisfying ending to an unsatisfying season..

btw I actually think that Julie's focus on noone congratulating or hugging the winners was backwards. I saw it as more of Jun and Ali running off really quickly to see Bob and the parents without thanking or acknowledging the jury. I dont think the jury got a second to hug them..( not to negate the fact that they probably didnt want to anyways)

I posted here that I didnt like the showing of the tapes because they had such great friendships in the sequester house and i hated to see it poisoned. However, I realized tonite that they were going to see it anyways at home, so they might as well do it now and deal with it while they are together, and let us see the results.

So, I thought it was handled really well. The producres didnt shy away from the tough comments.
Ali and June's win was shown as the bittersweet event that it was, and they gave us as best resolution as they could without as many loose ends as these show sometimes leave.

And I thought that it was great, almost touching, that June seemed to feel the sting of realizing how much she hurt people, more than she felt the thrill of winning, and it was also touching that her excitement over love surpassed her excitment about winning or money..

It was an honest ending and not having Donny show up was a big bonus.. I hate to be mean, but Allie's fake smiles and horrible glaring looks tonite were just so hard to take. And I was also really satisfied to hear June put the truth about Allie out there..

So, i went from not caring at all about tonite's show, to really enjoying it and even tearing up a drop..

Dram

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wait until Jee finds out about the stuff he said that was not on the show...mainly the stuff about the women. How come not one person took Robert to task for calling the women those nasty names?

I also think someone, perhaps the BB producers must have told/warned Robert about the things Ali and Jun said about his daughter as he commented on it. I am estatic that it was a cold and frosty win for Jun and Ali..."you live by the sword, you die by the sword."

Delrok

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Trinity,what erika did out of anger, 99% of us do. What Jun did in compliance with ALi day in and day out was the key here. These two woman are horrible people. Period.

Ark

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think the HG remembered half of the crap they spewed about their fellow HG until they saw the tapes. If they did, don't you think that Erika would have mentioned to Jee at the sequester house that she said some mean things in anger and she was sorry? They were all buddy buddy there. Likewise, I doubt that Jun & Ali remember all of the things that they said but since the jury had just seen the tapes, the F2 statements were fresh in their minds and none of it had been apologized for yet. They all shared a unique experience and I'm sure after they do some hashing out and apologizing, many of them will remain friends.

Bmh

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree donut this was a VERY satisfying Finale!! CONGRATZ TO JUN SONG WINNER OF BB4!!!

Loveyouless

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hooray for Jun!!

Katlady53

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anyone see any irony in the fact that Ali was holding a bouquet of roses in the end? Lol

Jimmer

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked the final show far more than I thought I would. At least this was an honest ending to a show, instead of last year's junk ending where a bunch of people said horrible things about each other all summer and then all was lovey dovey at the end. There's nothing that's good about congratulating the "winner" simply because they are the winner. The congratulations should be sincere and heartfelt or else it's pure hypocrisy. I respect the other houseguests a lot more for showing some honest feeling at the end.

Whoami

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Best part of the show tonight was the Mime watching on the Plasma screen at the end!

Donut

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I so agree about the Nathan thing..I was so shocked.. It was the Christy Factor.. he is unbelievably impressionable. first he falls for ali's crap , then he falls for the producers convincing him that the winner should be the strongest player.. the one that f's you over the worst... Poor guy,I dont know which thing he will get worse crap for when he gets home.. he wins for having the way biggest sachel of embarrassment to deal with..

and i SO agree that the show ruined any surprise by making all the pro Ali statements.. that was the low point of the show...

seamonkey, sorry i said noone answered my question, i didnt see your post!

Donut

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
oh yeah, agree with the mime comments! hubby says it should win an emmy for best use of mime!

Sthncmft

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, I agree - the chill was WELL deserved. Jun was a bit flabbergasted at just how icy everyone was, but I'll be willing to bet she forgets the lesson learned when the money hits her bank account. Maybe she can use it for therapy to learn how to be a better person. Yes, everyone at one point or another made harsh comments - however, Jun & Ali took it to a level that showed their true colors. Ali lied to Julie when she said those comments were a strategic part of playing the game - they WEREN'T. The final two still could've gone far, and won, without the vitriol.

This was a HORRIBLE BB season. I think it will influence how BB5 will be played...perhaps more confrontation and less back-stabbing because everything will be more open.

In the end my favorites will remain friends: Jack and Erica.

Jee's final comment summed up the BB4 season perfectly:
"I wouldn't be able to sacrifice respect for others to win any kind of money."

Coffee

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Glad to see the worst of the two won tonight. After Ali complained that 50,000 minus tax wasn't enough that is exactly what she got. The one that said she should go from one reality show to the other winning and didn't win this one. I am glad about the ending even though I wish it would have been two different people at the end.

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, but Jee DID put his "life on the line" for everyone. :)

Meggieprice

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Katlady- I thought that too when i saw the screencap- Jun was the winner and Ali was standing there with her roses like a pageant winner, lol!

Hamsterlady

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We mustn't forget that Clio!

As if we could ever forget that.....LOL

Squidward

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I also loved the mime at the end. Great ending to the best episode of this year's BB.

Andysmojo

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Could anyone hear what Bob was saying to Jun?

Csnog

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If you want to be respected be prepared to be the first one voted off.

Jee respected everyone so much that he sold it for control of the veto.

Remember that none of them are/were perfect, thats why its a game that they play within the house.

Jack understood that.

Caycaye

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All I can say is......The best woman of the two won this game, and for the EXACT reason Jun gave the jury...that she may have lied for strategy's reason, but atleast she did not get in bed and try to seduce men to have her way. Jack was right....Jun was the most intelligent player in the house. Her quiet alliance with Jee was brilliant as well as her moves right down the line. And as for the few people who "jumped" on us "supposed" Ali-bashers.....well, atleast the 6 out of 7 jury members (7 out of 7 if Nathan had seen the tapes) had the same opinion as us and were willing to give Jun the money to prove it!!

As we all said all along...and Jun and Jee recapped tonight...there was NO NEED to give up all of your self-respect to win this game (Ali), and your self-worth is NOT improved by lowering yourself on national TV and showing no respect for other human beings (Ali and Jun) to win any amount of money. I hope it was worth it to Jun and Alison, but I KNOW they will feel guilty for quite a while after viewing themselves on the tapes. And I have a feeling that if they allow it...this will be a BIG move toward their GROWING UP!