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Fragilethunder

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Charvie
you are the first to bring the meaning of this veto into some kind of understandable format.
So, there has already been an explaination of it somewhere? Where?
I really am curious about what it means. Must we wait until next week to find out? YIkes. I hope not.
I will watch the show, no matter what twists and turns they use to try to make us watch.
I need to know what this diamond veto means! Whats next? I do not want to see it be so simple, that the winner of veto just gets to vote out another contestant. That seems so wrong. I surely hope there is something wild and unexpected associated with this.

Charvie

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It was in the live feed posts. One of the hg's said that this is the Diamond Veto and can only be used in the final vote of the season.

The HGS interpreted as meaning the F4. But this isn't the final vote of the season.

Also Alison still has deal making to be done and had to get herself to the F3.

But this way, it doesn't render nominations useless by the HOH, it doesn't make the person not nominated who wins the veto stand around wondering what is she suppose to do with it and it gives bargaining room for the people nominated should one of them win it.

It would also be exciting and make people go for the HOH and the veto in the F4. Lots of strategizing and negotiations would happen. ANd would make Weds night a page turner because these hgs always assume and never ask for clarification when they win or comptete.

For example the food competion I understood the ultimate prize to be a dinner from any four star resturant they understood as dinner from any four star mexican resturant.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Jigglywigglyjun

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So charvie are you saying the veto cannot be used this week? HUH?

Darlingal

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
With the F3, the HOH doesn't decide who to vote out, he/she decides who he wants to take to the finals with him. More or less the same as F3 of Survivor. It's just a "positive" way of looking at the situation.

So this week with the F4 is considered the last vote of the season.

This Diamond power of veto is just a fancy way of saying "get yourself off the block and then you have the only deciding vote on who stays and who goes."

Grannyg

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just think that if this is the case then BB would have explained it last night to them before the competition. So they would know what was at stake. What's the purpose of Ali going on and on if there is still the chance she will be booted. If the Veto Ceremony is live like it was last week then no one will have time to make deals or anything else because it's live. So there goes the deal making. They have to know some time prior to the POV ceremony so that there can be time for making deals. Do you really think they would keep letting Ali think she has the sole power when in fact she doesn't? I just don't understand this whole deal. So that's why I question this scene. As a matter of fact, I can't see any scene at this point that would make sense.

Charvie

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Darlingal I understand what you're saying but there is still an eviction ceramony in the F3. And the HOH still has to state who he/she will evict. If there were no eviction ceramony in the F3 than I could say the F4 is the last vote of the season. But there isn't. Lisa casted her vote to evict Jason.

Charvie

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
BB only has to tell them what they told them, it is up to the HGs to get clarification or ask for it to be better explained if they don't understand. If what is said is used ONLY in the final vote of the season, this isn't the final vote of the season.
The HGS are assuming they understand and know. And Alison is assuming she understands.

Charvie

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And remember they also assumed that they would get Mexican food every night of the week. The only reason why they found out differently is because Robert had to order their food, and Robert asked you mean we can have any food from any resteraunt and than ran out and told the girls. BB didn't clarify it the night before when they went to the DR to discuss their reactions to the food comp. BB left them in the dark until necessary.

Grannyg

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 12:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But what if the Veto Ceremony is live? You know they will not run the risk of an uprising from Ali if she is not the only one to vote and gets to evict Ericka. She would say how unfair it was not to tell them this time the POV was different than all the rest. Food comp is one thing. Kicking somebody out of the game is totally different. Somehow they have to know what is happening in something as big as that. And it could be that BB will tell them POV will be Sunday and then when it's time for the "ceremony" BB will tell them the POV doesn't apply to this time but to next time if you manage to stay in the game.

Darlingal

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 12:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Granny. Food comp is one thing, POV is something totally different.
How do we know they haven't asked and recieved clarification in the diary room already? (we can't hear their diary rooms)
I suspect we will see veto comp live this wed night.

Justshirley

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 12:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What good does having Diamond Veto at the F3 do if you're voted out at the F4? That makes no sense. The only reason it's designated as "Diamond" is because you not only save yourself, you get the ultimate power of deciding who goes, by virtue of being the only voter. I would bet my next paycheck on it.

Okay, maybe I wouldn't. ;) But I'm still pretty darn sure.

Cricket

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 12:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
At one point, I thought maybe the Diamond Veto meant that whoever won it could replace themselves with anyone, including HOH, but probably not. At first Robt kept saying that Erika was going to Finals for sure and they were saying sorry to Jun. Jun said she had it for about 4 seconds. I don't know what happened...something about pictures and whose faces they were.

I think Diamond is more valuable than Gold. Only thing more powerful right now would be if Ali could put Robert up. Erika did ask her if she wouldn't vote her out and Ali said "I didn't do it the last two times, did I?" Geez, that girl has a way of getting around things. She didn't really say yes or no. If I was Erika, I'd be vewy, vewy, scared. Wake up Erika!

Darlingal

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they were saying they are sorry to Jun, not only for NOT winning the POV, but they assume Ali will vote Jun out and not Erika.
Little do they know about Jun and Ali's double secret alliance.

Bohawkins

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 12:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
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Darlingal

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 12:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hiya Bo! ::giggles::

I agree with you Shirley. :)
Golden vs Diamond is that with Golden you decide who goes up instead of you, but you are not the deciding vote.
Diamond you not only decide who goes instead of you, you also decide which of the 2 nominated leave the house.

Grannyg

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 12:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess AS could say that this doesn't take away the power from HOH because he/she stills get to nominate the 2 people he wants to. And only one goes anyway. So this is the same as before in that HOH nominates 2 people and instead of Ericka being safe, Ali is. But next year the HG's will know that no matter who is nominated at the F4 that could all change with the POV. AS stated in one of the interviews that the POV hadn't turned out the way that had wanted it to so maybe this is his way of making it bigger and better so that it would be the way he intended it to be.

Iscreamer1

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 12:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Justshirley, I thought the same thing and posted earlier but then I realized that if Robert won the "diamond" veto it wouldn't matter because he is already safe AND can't vote so I don't think that thats what it is.

Justshirley

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 12:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But, Iscreamer, HoH never gained any benefit from the "Golden" part of the Golden PoV, so I think it will be the same with the Diamond PoV. HoH winning PoV has always only benefited them by insuring that their nominations stand.

Iscreamer1

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thats true but then why change the name at all. By default the POV holder is the only voter (unless they pull a Marcellas) so whats the big deal. Again it's just BB trying to make something of nothing.

Beruthiel

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Next year it will be the platinum veto, and then what? AS had better hope they keep finding new minerals or he'll run out of superlatives

Hamsterlady

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LMAO @ Bernie! :)

Hey, maybe they could start on radioactive isotopes then....plutonium, uranium, etc.

Justshirley

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can picture it now -- the Plutonium PoV winner arrives at PoV ceremony dressed in a full radiation suit and hood, with the Plutonium PoV around their neck. The other HGs die of radiation exposure and the PoV winner wins by default.

Now THAT'S a powerful PoV!

Charvie

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Icescreamer, if all this is is a glorified Golden Veto, than call it that. Changing it to the Diamond Veto simply becuase the person nominated who saves themselves gets to vote is really something out of nothing.
Because really, this is the F4 there aren't a lot of options in who would go on the block if the nominee won the veto or who gets to vote, since it is always the one not nominated.
I do think that next year Shapiro should leave out the nomination ceramony until after the veto is decided.
That way they aren't just wasting time with a nomination ceromony that has no point to it.

Fan3

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
mzybe it is they get to change one of the vote in the very end. (the jury)????? after all that will be the final vote.....

Justshirley

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I posted this in the Q&A thread, but think it bears repeating here:

But it IS different from any other Golden PoV, because it puts the PoV holder in the powerful position of getting to choose who to evict.

Granted, this is merely power by default, since there is only one person voting, but it has never happened before. Therefore, they are pointing out the difference to the viewing audience by bestowing on it a new, impressive designation.