Who do you want to win BB4, and why? Jun or Alison
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Monalisahi | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 05:47 pm     Ali's nomination by Dana forced her to work to survive and then actively work to evict Dana the next week. Way I remember it, Dana was a goner the next week anyway. All Ali did was nominate her, all the other hg's said she was out next anyway. |
Lakegal | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:01 pm     If I was on the jury, I would be in the same position as most of them. I don't really like either Ali or Jun. But I would vote for Alison. I think she played the game harder and deserves to be rewarded with the win more than Jun. Jun got lucky alot of the time and just hung out in the kitchen while others did the dirty work. Alison had to be clever and fight for her wins. She won the comps when she needed to in order to save herself. I didn't really see Jun ever being in that same position. |
Notorioussun | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:11 pm     Just the fact that neither Justin or Dana won makes me happy. It was a good year. |
Stingerman | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 07:02 pm     Hmm Scum and Scummier, gee that's a hard one to decide. (you should be able to figure out who is who). I think I will leave it up to those fine honorable people that are on the jury to make this hard and wise decision. (in case you are missing the sarcasim I really don't care who wins this year) |
R151996 | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 08:44 pm     In response to Monalisahi-- If the Stooges had wanted to and managed to win the HOH that Ali won to evict Dana, the nominees would likely have been from the Jack-Erica-Nathan-Ali group. Dana would have been the least of the Stooges' problems for another week or two. |
Meggieprice | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 08:46 pm     Jun. SeanFlynn did a very good job of saying many of my reasons why. |
Gidget | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 08:56 pm     I am so glad I don't have to vote. But if I did I guess I would go with Jun as I did often find her entertaining. And to quote Ali earlier, Ali can kiss my ..., never mind, those lips appear to have been too many places, I don't want her touching any part of me. |
Efilon | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 09:29 pm     I'd have to vote for Jun. For the simple fact that if BB hadn't thrown in the "new and improved" diamond veto, which completely negated the HOH nominations, Alison wouldn't even be one of the finalists. JMHO |
Tide | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:46 pm     I'd vote for Jun. As others have said, she played with more wit, humor, subtlety, and a whole lot LESS DRAMA than Ali. |
Muse | Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 12:04 am     I'd vote for Jun. I think she played a smarter game. I think Ali overplayed things...she made her lies too obvious (and often lied when it was unnecessary), alienated the jury with her decisions (huge mistake, IMO), made herself into a big target in a variety of ways (and *really* lucked out with the diamond veto, which I thought was unfair), and so on. Jun, meanwhile, manipulated others without them even realizing it, and knew how to keep things low-key. Alison relied on challenges to stay in the game on several occasions, but Jun didn't really need them. I personally see BB as being more about interacting with others than a series of physical and/or mental competitions, so I tend to think more highly of Jun's gameplay than Alison's. I think Alison has played great if she was just looking to be in the final two, but terrible if she wanted to win. I also think that personality and behavior can be part of deciding who "deserves" it. While I would keep who played the game the best in mind (and would make it a major part of my vote), I would want to see someone I actually *liked* win the game if at all possible. I also think a good BB player wouldn't be openly obnoxious if they want to win votes (well, unless they have the charisma of Will Kirby and are up against someone less appealing, at least ). Unfortunately I dislike both of the final two this season...but if I had to pick one that I dislike less, it'd be Jun. So she'd get my vote on both counts. |
Monalisahi | Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 12:19 am     This game is just set up to be a popularity contest, IMO. Each week they get rid of the "strongest player." Then at the end it's "who betrayed me the least?" I want to see it come down to some strong players. I want to see them competing to win....not hoping to slide through. If you are going to be mean to somebody, I want to see it done to their face. If you are going to stab somebody in the back, I want to see you there twisting and turning that knife and laughing the entire time. That would make for good TV. Stop the whispering and come out from behind closed doors. With that said, I don't want either one of these girls to win. Note: Here's the answer in advance, I watch BB just as I watch all the reality shows. But I can still hope it can get better. |
Eliz87 | Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 07:57 am     I have been thinking about this, posting about this, then thinking about it some more. I am just tied on this issue and I really don't care who wins this year. BUT, if I DID have to pick someone to win, it would be Alison. I just think she's played the game harder, and I find it admirable that she hasn't let her emotions rule her throughout the game. I have to give props to Jun, too, though, because she has also played the game hard, and it seems that she has cooked a lot in the house (that's always a plus for me), but for whatever reason I just prefer Alison. Maybe because Alison is more of the underdog here, or because she's so young, or because she's from a small town...I don't know. I guess I would settle on voting for Alison, although I wouldn't mind seeing Jun getting it either. |
Guinevere | Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 11:52 pm     I would vote for Jun; in addition to finding her more likeable, I think she's played a better game. About the only thing Ali has done better is win competitions, and in most of the cases she won, it was because she HAD to. It's been pretty clear that both woman have thrown competitions more than once. Ali won more, because she had to win more, because she'd antagonized so many people. Jun was never anyone's main target in the house, not even the times that she was nominated. So I do think she's been the better player. |
Sweetbabygirl | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 06:42 am     Hands down, Alison should win. Although I did not like her, you've got to admit that she played one hell of a game. It is unfortunate that her enemies will not vote for her on that angle, preferring to vote on a more personal level. As for her 'dumb' act I didn't buy that at all, even she said that she would milk that angle for as long as she could. Jun - Absolutely can't stand her! At least Alison was in your face with her lies, going back and telling others, etc. Jun was a sneaky gloating b!tch about it. She also rubbed me the wrong way with her mean comments about houseguests SHE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YET. And if I had been a houseguest, her insistence on being the only cook would have gotten her ass out of the house; I can't believe that none of them remembered how Nicole used her culinary skills to remain in the house. While I didn't care for Nathan either, I like the fact that he called Jun on her ish before he was shown the door. Definitely Alison should come out as the winner. |
Murph | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 06:45 am     Efilon, Muse, Monalisahi, I agree with the points you made. One more thought, IMO the producers have manipulated the game more in Ali's favor than Jun. In addition to the Diamond Veto which negated the power of the HOH, the final HOH competition with the snow falling would certainly favor a former figure skater who also grew up in the cold weather area of the country. So if forced to pick, I would vote for Jun because Arnold and company appear to want Ali to win. |
Cassie | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 07:00 am     Couldn't care less which one of those despicables wins! This whole season has just been a bust. I can only think that the producers' goal was to repel and disgust us, given the choice of houseguests they made. Survivor looks promising though... |
Twiggyish | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 07:08 am     GOOO JUN!!!!!! I'm going to miss seeing the show on Wed..dang. Good thing my husband is taping it. I REALLY hope Jun wins. Cassie, I am starting to agree with your point of view. It's been expressed by a lot of people. Hope they cast a few more nicer people next time and no more ex's! |
Smokey | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 07:23 am     I would vote for Jun. She is slightly easier to digest than Ali. Ali could cause stomach cancer. But, I lean towards what Cassi and Twiggyish have said. I don't care who wins if I really think about it because I don't like them and didn't like most of this cast. I liked the Jee 3 for entertainment value and laughs. They took me a lot of miles. |
Cassie | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 07:28 am     Gee, Smokey, your profile picture looks just like me |
Surreal_Badger | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:00 am     this time last year, i was wishing that the hgs hadn't been able to watch DR sessions. i thought that dani had played a much better game and deserved to win. i saw her as a central figure in controlling the house --whether or not one likes her "style" in doing so. interestingly for me, this year i am hoping jun wins, and i find myself feeling that if the hgs were able to watch the DR sessions, they'd most certainly chose jun over ali, the former being IMHO a lot more eloquent and poised and quite frankly more intelligent than the latter. (i just couldn't get over some of ali' comments -- her hypocritical criticisms of others during the clam-bake-from-hell, her feelings about nate and erika, etc etc). (badger realizes she's in for it with admitting that she likes dani AND jun. presses the 'post message' button, and backs quickly away from the computer) |
Chippy | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 09:21 am     Jun. I agree that Big Brother gave the game to Ali with the Diamond Veto. That was the dumbest thing I've ever seen and I've been watching BB since the first show. HOH that week only meant that you were safe. Robert didn't even have to nominate anyone. All three were essentially nominated. Lousy twist IMO and the only reason (besides Nates lack of gray matter) that Ali is still in the house. She should split the money with AS. |
Jbfrommi | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 09:24 am     June of course, that's the only person left in the house, isn't it? |
Meggieprice | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 09:33 am     Chippy my son and I were watching a clip of Dani winnning HOH at final 4 last year and I felt a lot of disapointment(watching the power of that moment) that it was ruined by diamond POV this year- I really feel that there should not be a POV at that point. The show went south for me then because the power of HOH was taken away. Hope they do not do that next year. |
Gidget | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 09:47 am     Clearly AS wanted the "baddest" girl to win this year. Maybe they felt guilty about Dani losing last year. I did not personally like Dani's game but she did kick butt. Lisa barely played the game, she was so occupied with Eric and she walked away with the dough. Jun and Robert had enough negatives to fill the bill, too, if Ali didn't make it. They COULD not have Erika or they would have an under the radar love fest on their hands next year. In fact, now that I am thinking about it, females are easily id's as beaches if they are down and dirty. Maybe that's why Ali and Jun were never called out. It wasn't necessary. Robert on the other hand, was too precious with his Elana, so they HAD to villify him and emphasize the BW&S thing repeatedly to make sure everyone got the point. |
Boberg | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 10:03 am     Jun..for all the same reasons expressed by Onlyhuman, Carrie92, Spike763, Naja, Seamonkey, Vskatefan, and Bomom. Monalisahi..have you checked out the pictures of Dave in his uniform..have a napkin ready you will drool! LOL CAUSE DAVE IS HOT HOT HOT! |
Sisalou | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:47 am     I agree with Boberg about agreeing with everyone else. |
Wendo | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:56 am     Actually, one could argue that the Diamond Veto was for Jun. She was in the lead and should've won. However, she erred on her own nomination and put her name up instead of Jee's. How one can argue that that veto was for Ali when Jun was in the lead is inaccurate to what happend. (Jun herself admitted as much, that she blew it.) edited to add: In fact, one could argue that the veto was meant for both Jun and Ali. However, as everyone knows, the veto was announced BEFORE Rob won HOH. Had Erika won POV, would this even be an issue? I'd argue no. |
Meggieprice | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 12:01 pm     For me personally- I felt it was wrong when it was first announced, before noms and before pov. I love the fact that that HOH at four is the way it was before. Watching last years HOH at that point made me feel even more strongly that way. |
Chippy | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 08:04 pm     I agree, Meggie. AS has stated more than once that the veto holder shouldn't have more power than the HOH. There really was no need for nominations that week. Whoever won the veto had the one vote. They decided F3. I never said the veto was meant for Ali. I said that it kept her in the house. |
Sunshyne4u | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:32 pm     LOL I agree with all of you who said that AS and the rest of the BB producers seem to want ALI to win....and frankly set up the 'first part' of the HOH to make sure she was most likely in the final two. After watching The Joe Schmo show I am thinking that ALI may indeed win regardless of the jury votes. After all, no where have we seen how the vote is taken and whether the container is sealed etc! If I recall correctly the HGs do not let each other know WHO they voted for in the Finals. Maybe it will be another setup.......HOW would we ever know?? |
Wendo | Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 11:47 pm     Sunshyne, the jury pulls their key in front of the final two. I imagine if the key they pull isn't the one they put in the box they would take issue with it. |
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