Archive through September 24, 2003
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Archive through September 24, 2003
Moderator | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:25 am     Steveh, we do the best we can. We don't claim to please everyone. However, remember that some of us have been doing this an incredibly long time (sometimes it feels like a really, really, really long time!), and we have some history for our decisions and predictions. If it's a busy time, and we have a lot going on, or speaking personally if I seem to be the only one around, I will pull a thread that is highly like to elicit flaming responses or that will require a lot of babysitting. As I said, we're human and we make the best decisions we can under whatever circumstances we have to work with. I'm truly sorry you were unhappy with our decision in your case. |
Steveh | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:26 am     Is being called "odd" and "obsessive" flaming? Is being accused of being a racist (based on NO evidence) flaming? Is repeatedly being accused of writing something you haven't or not writing something you have (generic troll behavior) flaming? If you answered yes to any of those questions, then this board is not flame free. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:28 am     ModK said, "We really don't play favorites." Oh great!!! So I'm NOT really special!!!??? Thanks for ruining MY day. Love ya Modk! edited to add: Man, that "odd" and "obsessive" thing is going to follow me for awhile, isn't it. LOL! To those that don't know, I was the one who used those words with regard to Steveh. However, I did realize that they were not appropriate and apologized for them in the same thread. I will say again, to Steveh and the posters, I'm sorry for using them. My boo boo. (Everyone makes mistakes. Even me, the Goddess. LOL!) |
Steveh | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:31 am     Dear Moderator - Am I in violation of your Kafkaesque guidelines by responding directly to you? I don't think it's a question of "happy"/"unhappy." Your decision made absolutely no sense to me in either a stand-alone or relative sense nor in the way you have endeavored to explain it here since several topic posts with far more provocative headings (one in particular incorporated a quote from another poster) went up and stayed up, at least for a while. Your perspective re. moderating/message boards in general is different and far more experienced than mine, but it seems to me that over the past few days there's nothing much going on at TVCH/BB. |
Woodpecke® | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:33 am     Thanks for not ignoring me, Wendo. *Adjusts posture to make myself appear cool when Wendo bats eyelashes*. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:36 am     "Am I in violation of your Kafkaesque guidelines by responding directly to you?" IMO, I don't think this was necessary (re: suggesting the guidelines are Kafkaesque.) Especially since they're taking the time to respond and explain. The mods do the best they can. They're human beings with lives of their own. |
Steveh | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:38 am     Wendo - My first post on this board--in the Chatters Thread--was critical of Alison and ended w/ a LOL and you popped in to tell me that you positively knew I didn't "really" mean the LOL part. Just for the record. I'd also point out that I reasonably answered your odd and obsessive accusations--completely w/in board guidelines--and that post was deleted, but yours--containing the accusations--stayed up and did so, as far as I know, until the entire thread was deleted. What I'm recounting here all happened a couple of weeks ago so it doesn't take someone with an odd and obsessive memory to recall it. The astounding insight displayed in your denial of my LOL was followed up by another poster claiming that I was lying about doing a post re. how Alison could get enough votes to win at the end, even though the post was up for all to see (and probably still is) in another thread. Again, just for the record. |
Teachmichigan | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:40 am     First....I love these boards, the debates, AND the "politeness" that usually prevails. Next...I have not read every archive on this thread, so if I'm repeating, sorry! Finally...Think of this as school....mods are like teachers...some will let you get away with more than others and give you the benefit of the doubt. Others will be strict. They're trying to "control" a wide variety of personalities and make it a safe place for everyone. Like teachers, they can't look at every "student" every second, and sometimes the "good" kids get punished because of the "bad" kids. Overall, they're here to "maintain" a classroom where we all learn from others' perspectives. As a teacher, I will say...it's easier to like some kids more than others, but I always try to treat ALL kids the same! (And I'm sure that I don't always succeed...I'm only human.) |
Goddessatlaw | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:43 am     Personally, I feel absolutely no entitlement to having my thoughts posted, maintained and/or responded to on this Board. I am just happy they let me post here at all, and free of charge no less. I like the moderation - it forces more thoughtful and respectful posting than any other site I've found on the internet. Do I like getting modded? Not necessarily. Do I always agree with it? No, but sometimes I do. Nonetheless, I certainly don't take it personally I just move on. Nor do I take the posts of other members of the Board personally - I mean really, who cares if Noodlehead from Somewhereelseville thinks I'm a ? Won't be the first, certainly won't be the last. Particularly in the case of posters who are less than civil, I find posting much less stressful if I just turn my back on them. Why let it drag down into the internet equivilant of subpoenaed dental records and gunplay? Today we'll disagree, tomorrow maybe we won't. In one thread we hate each other, in another we're best buddies. But it sure doesn't wreck my good time. I just relax and enjoy the ride, speedbumps and all. |
Bonzacat | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:44 am     Hi Teach! If this is like school, I hope everyone remembers to play kinda nice so we don't break our toy. I'd hate to see this thread covered in Raid before Finale showtime!  |
Moderator | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:44 am     Okay, let's not turn this into a personal thing, okay? It's really not. Steveh, I have agreed that it's somewhat subjective. I have agreed that sometimes we miss things. All I can say is that we're human, and we do the best we can, and it will never be perfect. There really isn't any attempt at being dictatorial. You can choose to perceive it any way you like, but that's the real and boring truth of it. |
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:45 am     I'd like to throw out my perspective as well. First, Mod K, you have acted like an a-hole before?? <ducking> Moderators aren't much different from the folks who are not moderators. Both are posters on TVCH. Yep, we belong to the same board and most likely for the same reasons. Both have the responsibility to post within the rules and guidelines of the board. The one thing a moderator does differently is look to see if others are doing the same. That is the part that most everyone sees in terms of our actions--editing a post, removing a post or a thread--things like that. Often times we also make "pre-emptive" moves--like removing a thread when it quickly degrades, instead of trying to pick out the bad posts and leaving the good ones--there are times when it would take too much time. Only so many of us to go around at any one time. As stated above, it's nothing personal. It can't be personal--this place would be a mess if it was personal. For the posts that stay when it's clear they should go--it's because we missed them. Either from a lack of moderators being available at any given time, or for how busy the board is--and of course a thread that gets posted to every couple of seconds will archive faster than we can review it. I am a moderator for only 1 reason--it's a way to give back to a place I get so much from. By being a moderator, I don't post nearly as much as I would otherwise. So it isn't about any power trip or a way to get at certain people. It isn't a way to change the way the posts are in terms of who I like on BB or Survivor or any other game. I don't care if you love the HG I can't stand. Post away and have fun with it--just do it within the rules. The thing I feel worst about at the end of BB is how many people go away. This is a place that has so many other areas of interest. Some deep and insightful, so mindless and pure fun. I see so many who have something really good to contribute go away till the next BB. Neil has let the people who use his site basically mold TVCH into what it has become--it started out as a place to discuss BB. It is now a place where just about anything is covered--any show, any movie, and game, and topic. A fake forum? Not for me, and not a for a lot of others. No matter if I am a moderator or not, I will always be a member of TVCH. |
Moderator | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:48 am     Lance: for you, dear!  |
Steveh | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:50 am     Teach - I teach too and know what you mean and agree w/ you. As a teacher allow me to offer up the word for the day "Kafkaesque" - regulations and situations that are often bewildering in a vague and inexplicable way; illogical entanglements with no discernible solution . . . I do not offer the examples of inconsistincies that I do here to imply that I am always the recipient of unfair treatment here or that I am the only recipient of unfair treatment here or because I think whatever treatment I receive here has any real impact on my real life, but because I am in a thread discussing Juiceman's original post which I mostly agree with and I was taught and teach to always provide examples for your claims, no matter how trivial the claim and/or how petty the situation. LOL (actually frowning?) |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:51 am     I don't recall the Chatter thread posts Steveh. Unfortunately, they're not archived as other threads (because it is just a chat thread,) so it's impossible for me to know what was exactly said or my responses. (I've posted a lot in the Chatters thread and so, I can't remember each and every post or it's topic.) As for the other posts, I don't know why your post was pulled while mine wasn't. Perhaps there was no mod there at the time mine was posted. Perhaps the whole thread was pulled because it was easier to do rather than go back with a fine tooth comb. Or, since I corrected said post later in the thread the mods didn't feel a need to pull it. Moderation and pulling of posts is not an exact science. I think what the mods are trying to say is that they do the best they can, they're human, and sometimes things get pulled (or stay) that shouldn't. And, let's remember that. "I'm glad to hear that you don't think the Kafkaesque suggestion was "necessary" which probably explains why I wrote it and you didn't?" Probably so. IMO, I found the comment a bit harsh considering the fact that the mods have gone out of there way to post their feelings in this thread. |
Bob2112 | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:52 am     GAL! That's Mr. Noodlehead!  |
Landi | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:53 am     something that everyone needs to learn from kindergarten... play nice with others |
Sanfranjoshfan | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:54 am     For the record, I have even seen Moderators get modded when they are posting under their TVCH usernames rather than the "Moderator" moniker! If other moderators aren't favorites, then it all must be fairly above board. I'll start to worry when John Ashcroft starts moderating my email! |
Goddessatlaw | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:56 am     GAL eyes grain-based drygoods suspiciously, searching for evidence of moisture |
Bob2112 | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:57 am     <...eyes GAL's Wheaties, ready to provide moisture...> |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:57 am     GAL, excellent post at 10:43am. You certainly have a way with words. Sanfran, oh golly, we're all in trouble if that happens! (re: John Ashcroft) |
Steveh | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 11:01 am     I'm worried that if he wanted to, Ashcroft (his office) has the capability to monitor my email, boards like this, anything and everything he felt like doing. How do we know he's not? Sure it'd be silly and bizarre he was, but I've seen tons of absurdiites committed in the name of the Patriot Act over the past year or so. |
Hamsterlady | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 11:06 am     Has anybody seen my knickers???? |
Secretsmile | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 11:06 am     I love this board, I obey the rules as I understand them as written when I agreed to become a member. I appreciate that the mods are just people volunteering their time, to try to make this board a pleasant place for all. I don't believe the mods play favorites, nor do I believe they are on power trips trying to make life miserable for one or two posters. I believe they have much better things to do with their time. JMHO |
Bonzacat | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 11:08 am     Hamsterlady, are they in a twist?  |
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