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Prisonerno6

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Does Ali really have a photographic memory, or does she just say that?"

There is no such thing as a true photographic memory. Ali probably has a good memory or has learned some skills to enhance her memory, which anyone can do. Frankly, I haven't seen any evidence of her having a spectacular memory. Yes, she had to remember the order in which people were nominated in the veto competition, but I believe we also saw her rehearsing that in the past.

Scbookworm

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Anyone who has watched the live feeds while Ali is going over past events, comps, details in the house with another HG would recognize that Ali has ENORMOUS skill in this area. I used to participate in psychological studies and test for memory function and I can tell you that her abilities are beyond refute. Far better than any of the other HGs, past or present.

Realbiz

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i'd agree she's indeed above average.

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Who won round 1, holding onto their keys in the snow?

Scbookworm

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfanjoshfan,

Ali won part I

Spunky

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 04:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun let go first, soon after Robert. Of course, if he couldn't go any longer there is no use struggling...

I must say that Robert has beaten the odds a few times... especially when he was with 3 girls all ganging up on him he ends up HOH. Now again the underdog, with 2 girls ganging up on him, all alone fighting them... For that alone he should win!!

Aus10

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"There is no such thing as a true photographic memory. "

I can't help but disagree with this statement. Perhaps there is no such definition, but I've dealt with a person with a photographic memory. I was told by my son's teacher when he was eight that he had a photographic memory along with what she told me was an auditory photographic memory as well. If he sees something once, or hears it once, that's all it takes....It's in like glue. Guess that's why he never brought a book home or studied. If Allison does have this "gift" then I agree it makes it an unfair advantage for her..

Mandeeh

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
IMO: I think this stuff about photographic memory has been too much. The girl is just smart, athletic, and conniving. How would big brother "know" if Ali has a photographic memory or not. They are not looking for smart people, they are looking for people with personalities that make the people like us want to talk about them all day everyday for 3 months. And everyone here has to admit that Alison has done a better job at that than anyone else in the house this year.

Bomom

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's how we'll REALLY know if these competitions are pre-ordained:

If the second round involved marathon eating, it's slanted towards June.

If it involves anything to do with one's nose, it's slanted towards Robert.

Sunshyne4u

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Photographic memory explained"The most convincing and unique documentation of eidetic imagery was a case study done by Charles Stromeyer in 1970. The subject of their study, a woman named "Elizabeth," was able to write out poetry in a foreign language years after seeing the original text. She was also able to project her images onto a blank canvas or over the top of other images. Moving her eyes allowed her to scan the projected image, which remained entirely stationary. Her images would break apart instead of fading away slowly(3).

Although Elizabeth is an extreme case, a study done by L. R. Haber and R. N. Haber (1964) documented similar behavior in children with eidetic imagery. The subjects were exposed to a detailed picture placed on an easel for thirty seconds. When the picture was taken away, the children scanned the blank easel in order to describe the image. Their descriptions were given in the present tense, as if they were still looking at the image. From various studies, Haber and Haber found that it is vary rare; approximately 2-15% of elementary school age children are capable of eidetic imagery. There was no connection between gender and incidences of eidetic memory
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The reason I must say that there is such a thing as Photographic memory is I have it most of the time. If I concentrated on something....such as many pages fo text needed for a test coming up, I sometimes was able to call up the pages, one by one during the test.
My problem always has been that I would blank out under stress.
At work , people were disbelieving that I had every manual in the place memorized...and Usually I could tell them what page to check on (since they didnt believe my instructions on how to fix an instrument or check a policy) I am now mostly "burnt out" so it doesnt work well anymore.

Aus10

Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Sunshyne!! That explains alot to me and it just hit me like a brick...when son didn't do as well on the SAT as what everyone expected his reply was "I couldn't see it." This is the kid that can read a book once and remember bibliography numbers and quotes verbatim, but sometimes struggles with material he's never gone over before. Wow......who say's TV clubhouse isn't educational :)

Prisonerno6

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 06:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"'There is no such thing as a true photographic memory.'
I can't help but disagree with this statement."

Note the qualifier "true." There is such a thing as eidetic memory, but even that is not the "perfect" memory most people consider to be photographic memory. Eidetic memory is rarely, if ever, a perfect photographic picture of something -- details are changed based on the person's memory construct all ready in place.

Let's ask the experts...

http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=0001148F-EAB0-1E3A-82FC809EC5880000

http://www.memory-key.com/MemoryGuide/faq.htm

http://www.wooster.edu/news/qa/gillund.html

(My doctoral work was how technology affects memory and cognition...)

Spunky

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So Jun is so sure she's going to beat Robert in Round 2, so is Ali, that they decided right after the comp to tell Robert he's out.
And this all after Robert's angry take on Jun telling Ali how much he wants Jun out.
Wasn't this a dumb move by Robert?? He should never never show Ali how much he hated Jun, now she knows for sure Robert won't be voting for Jun and so Robert means another vote for Ali.

Go Robert go!!! Win Round 2 and show them he's down but not beaten yet...

Kalekona

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This must be what my mom saw last night.. she called asking if Robert had already lost round two.because ali and jun where talking about telling him he's out so they don't have to pack.

Spunky

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I still don't understand how Robert can change his mind so many times... he was so against Erika, than Dana, than so against Ali when Jee was still there, and now it's Jun.

I know he can't stand them but it seemed it was for sure Ali, Ali, Ali, he didn't even want her to win the 50k. Now it's no longer Ali, but it's Jun.

I find awful to hate somebody so much and being forced to favor one to win the 500k. It's like, which lesser evil you have to pick to win the big prize. Tough job.

Sunshyne4u

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
PrisonerNo6- I havent checked your links yet but I do agree. Most people who have this gift find that it can be altered by how our Brain analyzes things. For instance, under stress I will "see" the page, know where on the page my answer is, but it will be all blurry so I cant read it.

ALSO, memory is affected by our history/outlook on life....however, Ali is young and concentrating of every detail of the game. This gives her a great advantage. We shall see what the final comp will be.....maybe I'll be surprised!

Kalekona

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wasn't going to jump into this but guess i will.

My daughter has a "photograhic" memory. Which simply means that she can read, see or hear something and have perfect recall even months later.
So whatever you want to call it, it does exsist and it is real. Is it infalible? No.

Spear

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 10:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Alison has photographic memory in the strict sense of the term. Doesn't that refer to visual memories? I think she just has a very good memory. For example, just now, she was reviewing HG trivia as she was walking around the yard and she was reciting the names of Jack's and Erika's family members, things which she wouldn't be recalling from a visual image.

Juiceman

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 02:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont know anything about photographic memory but my mother can recall anything that she concentrates on as a 'picture'. That can include a page of 'text'.

I have a very poor memory in general but recently I was accused of having a 'gift' for literary memory.
I was taking courses and according to other students they are stunned and amazed that I can recall phrases or comments in books I had read 2 years earlier.

In fact - I can find myself quoting obscure lines from books I read almost 25 years ago. I can usually recall the approximate place it appeared in the book.

I can ONLY do this 'off the top of my head' and can almost never do it 'on purpose' hence never passed all the exams. I also had to have been interested in it.

Sorry to ramble on about myself but I would really appreciate anyone commmenting if they have heard of this before?

I honestly never thought this was anything unique or special (I still dont really) but according to other people this is 'amazing' and 'wierd'. ??

The fun part - if you have an interesting comment then you will permanently imprint it on my memory for about 40 years lol!

ps - I believe Robert will win the next comp IF it is a cognitive comp. .especially if it is strategic. I notice Rob was 'all over' Quoridor and had it mastered and Jun seemed baffled by it.

Spunky

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 08:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Juice,

it's not so unusual to remember exact paragraphs and pages in a book, especially those school text books. I can never forget the page of an art text book where I underlined every single sentence and I had to come up with my onw version of that particular art piece. However, I don't remember all of the pages, just those who really affected me.

So, nothing weird about that...

Anyway, I'm so glad Robert won again (the chat) so that those two girls will start thinking why is so, maybe it will give them a signal that something is not quite right with them in front of the public and they are not picked... I know they couldn't care less, but if they're a bit smart they'll figure it out...

Mizinvanccouver

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So did they have part 2 of the HOH competition yet? I just jumped in here to have a look but it appears mostly just talk of Alison's photo-graphic memory. Can anyone tell me if they had the 2nd part of the competition?

Spear

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Part 2 is supposedly on Sunday. We're just passing time.

Bmh

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 08:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I really really hope Jun wins

Earthmother

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 09:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I only hope Robert wins because I don't want it to be the girls running away with it..TOOOOO BORING

Juiceman

Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My little 'memory' thing is not normal if Im to believe everyone else.. i.e. I heard Jun and Alison jokingly say 'we must ..we..must increase our busts' and instantly I can recall reading my sisters book (I think called 'are you there GOd ..its margaret') and wierder yet I can see the exact place i was standing and what distance I was in the book and visualise reading that exact sentence. (this is 25 years ago too)

It must be a 'version' of photographic memory because I dont actualy know a page number but I can recall the exact font, paper quality and guess page by the thickness of pages in my hand.

Other than that I have a very poor memory in general

Sorry but Im rambling again but based on my little abberation I would agree there is such a thing as 'true photographic' memory. Im not sure that Alison naturally has one but she seems to be training herself to have one.

She doesnt seem to do that well in cognitive competitions though.