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Archive through September 12, 2003
Wendo | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:48 pm     Fan3, they had to wear comfortable clothes for the endurance competition. I do agree that Ali was leaning toward evicting Erika, however, IMO, she wasn't definite. There were diary rooms on Tuesdays show, after she won the POV, and on the live show, where she stated that she didn't know FOR SURE what she was going to do. That she was Pro/Conning both Jun and Erika. So, perhaps you didn't see those diary rooms; maybe you stepped away. I don't know. Charvie, I was actually hoping to get your opinion regarding your comments about Marcellus and what I posted in response. |
C1mag | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:49 pm     Nope Wood I'm saying that this group of people are not going to hold Alis words against her when voting. Therefore they will not be a bunch of sore losers. Justin gave some good insight into that approach when Erika got hoh. His two buddys were starting to b!tch about it and he said.. "stop it. We did the same exact thing. We always do" They hushed up real quick and agreed. So they aren't going to be sore losers in the end. Ask any of them if they think anyone played this game harder than Ali and there isn't going to be one on that Jury that could honestly say she hasn't and if that is the case then vote accordingly and let the other stuff fall away. |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:51 pm     I don't see it that way at all. I see the sequestered houseguests plotting against Alison. Even if they happened to give her credit, their bitterness over being evicted will take over any thoughts of handing the money over to a person like Alison. She'll get little or no support. |
Busydizzle | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:54 pm     What about Richard Hatch and Will Mega? Shouldn't they have also lost by that thinking? |
C1mag | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:54 pm     And I don't see it that way Wood. I see them trashing her to let off steam but then I can clearly hear Justin, Nate, Erika and Jack saying... we may not care for her as a person but admit it... SHE BEAT US ALL IN THE GAME! and they will vote accordingly. I don't see this group thinking that "the nice one" must win. I see only Dana as this type of person and she will not hold the power to pursuade them against her just to get even. |
Csnog | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:55 pm     C1, I am heading for bed but, I remember that Jack said he was voting FOR Jun. While Erika said she would vote for the person that took her out of the game she may vote FOR Jun also. Dana will vote for Jun and so will Jee. |
Wendo | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:56 pm     Busydizzle, Rich Hatch, yeah. Will Mega, he lost big time. First one out. |
Charvie | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:56 pm     I said, "Now my response. (I am still giddy though.)Alison's behavior in the house has been the worst I've seen IMO. I don't think bashing is an ok past time, but in the game sense, it makes sense." Wendo says, "And, as we know, I disagree, I've seen worse." But in Alison's case it's not just the bashing, it is an overall behavior that has completely made me feel she is the worse. I should have been more clear on that point. "Even Marcellus apologized profusely to Tonya because he knew he went too far. I don't see Alison doing anything but make excuses and try to justify her behavior." Wendo says, "Yes, Marcellus did apologize...after the game was over. When he had an opportunity to see how his behavior appeared on tv. However, during his time in the house he did nothing but make excuses and justify HIS behavior. He apologized after he had the benefit of reflection. Ali hasn't had that opportunity." Well if Alison surprises me and actually after the show, displays humility and regret over the more offensive comments than I will be more than happy to apologize. I do hope she proves me wrong. I said,"And as for the bashing though I tend to find it to be in poor taste and the lowest common denominator among people. I still find those who do not stick to the person they are upset with, and bring in outside stuff(family, friends, profession,etc..) to be beyond low. I thought the same with Marcellus, Amy, Danielle(and she was my favorite), Erika(when she bashed Jun's profession as a reason she didn't deserve the money, and also my favorite) and anyone else who would stoop to such levels." Wendo says,"I agree. Like I said previously though, it does appear to be a rather negative by product of this game. " Though a by product of this game it is an easy out. Jason didn't take that root and made it to the final three. Coattails or not. There ya go. Well if Alison surprises me and actually after the show, displays humility and regret over the more offensive comments than I will be more than happy to apologize. |
Wendo | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:58 pm     Csnog said, "I remember that Jack said he was voting FOR Jun. While Erika said she would vote for the person that took her out of the game she may vote FOR Jun also. Dana will vote for Jun and so will Jee." However, if Ali wins the final HOH and BRINGS Jun to the finals, I could see Jack changing his mind as well as Erika. Dana, nope. I agree. She will certainly NOT vote for Ali to win. |
C1mag | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:59 pm     I listened to Jack say many times that he may not have liked certain ways the game was leading but when someone made a move that protected themselves he complimented them and said, "good game" Nate isn't going to hold it against her just because she didn't play the game for him. He wouldn't have played for her. She actually beat him and he will aknowledge that. Rob has already said to her this week that since he couldn't get her out himself she has literally earned the money with her ability to win when it counted. Erika knew the position that Ali was in. She said she wouldn't have liked it herself. She was actually thinking of voting her out last week. So she isn't gonna dock ali for doing what she would have done to her. They will aknowledge how she saved herslef. This is sorta a different story with Ali. She actually won comps and saved herslef. Will became the house jester and let the others play the game. Dani manipulated behind the scenes and also tried not to win things. Ali came center stage and stayed there all on her own. |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:00 pm     "I can clearly hear Justin, Nate, Erika and Jack saying... we may not care for her as a person but admit it... SHE BEAT US ALL IN THE GAME!" If this happens, I'll declare that C1Mag is the biggest clairvoyant on this board. I'll post an entire thread paying homage to his brilliance. |
C1mag | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:01 pm     Csnog. I don't ever recall Jack saying he would vote for Jun. Jack is the type of man that would wait til the final game move and then aknowledge the won who played the game. He will vote for Ali over any of the ones remaining as soon as she finds out that Ali again saved herself. |
C1mag | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:02 pm     Oh Wood stop! LMAO! |
Wendo | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:03 pm     Well, Jason didn't get into the bashing like Dani and others did. But he certainly laughed and snickered at times. His hands are cleaner, but not clean. Re: Alison, I doubt will see it during the live show since, at that time, she'll still have no opportunity to see herself as Marcellus did. But yeah, we'll see. And, it's obvious we view Ali differently for sure. LOL! (Although, I think you'd be surprised on how much I do agree with you regarding some of her less than attractive behaviors. However, I am able to see her competitive spirit and her game playing skill up to this point.) Thanks for the response! |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:03 pm     They all spew various forms of verbal garbage. You can't believe a word they say. |
Csnog | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:04 pm     The players who lasted longer on the jury have seen a different, immature and destructive side of Ali, while Jun has kept her emotions under control. I still think if it's between Ali and Jun, Jun will have the votes. |
Busydizzle | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:04 pm     Will went out first? I thought he was the winner. I don't know my BB history very well, so am I just confused on this? |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:05 pm     The display of respect between Wendo and Charvie is quite touching. If they decide to hug, I want to be part of the sandwich. |
Csnog | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:07 pm     I remember very clearly that Jack said he would vote for Jun over Ali but not over Erika during a conversation between the 2 of them. Whether he sticks to it or not will depend on what Erika tells him. |
Wendo | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:07 pm     C1mag, Actually, Jack did say to Erika one night that, at that point in the game, he would vote for Jun over Ali (because he felt Ali plays too emotionally. On this, I feel he, as well as Erika, is completely wrong.) However, he did say also that he couldn't say FOR SURE he would because the game wasn't over. Like I said, if Ali pulls out the last HOH and brings Jun to the finals, I think Jack would, at the very least, consider voting for Ali to win. |
C1mag | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:07 pm     I keep saying that for me I couldn't stand hanging out with someone like Ali. However, I can so appreciate her spirit in the game. Two big differences for me. I'm also not a big fan of Robs as well but if I honestly felt he had played the game to a point that said he was the winner I'd say give it to him as well. However, this year for me the winner of BB is Alison. I don't care what she does once this game is over. She has no affect on my life at all. She's been a pretty good hamster for me to watch and listen to in this game. |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:08 pm     Will Mega and Will the Doctor are 2 different players. 2 different colors. 2 different BB's. |
Busydizzle | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:09 pm     *shrug* Alright, then. "Will the Doctor". Just got the names confused. |
C1mag | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:11 pm     Ok Wen I suppose I could see jack saying that but as you said it was at a halfway point. I think in the end Jack will vote for Ali as the all around best player who kept going and didn't give up. I don't think csnogs idea that this group will sit around eliminating her chances based on things she has said is going to work in a final vote. |
Wendo | Friday, September 12, 2003 - 09:12 pm     Wood, would you like to be meat or cheese on the sandwich? Or the mayo? The thing is, we respect each others opinions, even though they oppose each other in certain respects. Nor have we told each other that our opinion is just flat out wrong. (Because, as I'm sure you're aware, no one likes being told that their opinion is wrong. It's just plain rude!) Busydizzle, Will Mega was in BB1 and was evicted first. Dr. Will was in BB2 and won the game. Hope that helps. |
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