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TV ClubHouse: Archive: BB producers better do something about Robert!: Archive through September 15, 2003

Mizinvanccouver

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You're the BEST Seamonkey....thanks for taking the time to post in the LF area! kiss

Bastable

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ahhhhh!!! Killer mouth coming to eat me! Ahhhhhhh!!!!

Sunrvrose

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, boy oh boy, do I want to comment on this thread, but if I do, I'll be in so much trouble.
I'll just say that I think somebody missed their nap today.

Theowl

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SeaMonkey, I just checked my tape, and what Julie said to Erika is "You are the second to the last member of the jury who will vote on who wins BB4. You'll be joining in the jury house (all the names) and we'll bring you all back here on finale night to vote on Sept. 24." I didn't hear anything about being the last one to the house.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 09:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just gotta say that the jury is *supposed* to influence the outcome of the game. That's what juries do.

Now if somehow Amanda, David or Michelle were trying to affect the outcome of the game, I'd have to say that was wrong....but anyone in the *jury* is free to say whatever they want in order to influence whomever they want. In fact, I've noticed the anti-Ali remarks that Dana has made while watching the HOH tape that each evictee brings with them into the sequester house....her anti-Ali comments seem to me to be obviously trying to affect others' attitudes towards Ali. Dana does NOT want Ali to win, and you can be sure that she has been diligently lobbying each evictee to see that she doesn't.

As long as Robert or anyone else that's been evicted is in the sequester house, on the jury, or voting for the winner....their job IS to "affect the outcome of the game"...because they are still playing the game.

Laffy

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A FELONY !!!, give me a break

Willsbills

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought the thing about the jury, the scary part was that people would influence others. I always saw that as a given. they all comment on it in the DR, saying that when it comes down to it these people will vote this way or that. I would assume that if I were going to the sequester house that there would be talk of voting who deserves it and who doesn't and who did what. I've watched every show since BB1 and since they started the jury thing I always assumed the big threat was people talking voting if they were together. Isn't that why they used to have them all separated? Am I wrong?

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Do something about Robert? That's up to Jun and Alison.

Juiceman

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 11:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Doing something about Robert will be up to the winner of the HoH.

A jury is supposed to decide who to vote for?!?

He absolutely has the right to do his best to influence the jury.

What is next.. a call for Alison to be ejected for lying to someone with intent to influence the game?

Rob is making a perfectly legitimate bluff and/or threat to secure his position in the game.

Im kinda surprised that this is even being put up for debate?

Wendo

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 12:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have no problem with Rob threatening both Jun and Ali that he'll taint the jury if either evicts him. He definitely wants some of the money and, while he's not strong at competitions, he's not stupid. He's aware his chances got real slim when he lost today. However, while I have no problem with him doing this, I do think it's just plain pathetic. Does Rob really think he has that much control over those in the jury house? (They're not that meek.) Additionally, both Ali and Jun could bring up his lame threat with the jury. That they chose not to take him because of what he said. (That's what I'd do. Take the power away from him.)

It's a pathetic move by a drowning man who did not know his competition as they knew him.

Brotherman

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 12:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's a great strategy for him, but either Jun or Ali would be foolish to take Robert to the finals because he would definitely win. He hasn't really done anything negative to any sequestered HG. He'll get sure votes from Justin, Jee, Erika, and Jack, and if Ali's a finalist, he'll also get Dana's vote.

Miggles

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 12:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why should Robert be muzzled just because he is the last evictee? The whole purpose of juries is to deliberate and influence one another. In other words, another part of the game is going on at the sequester house (even though none of them can win). The neat thing is this adds a dimension to the calculations. Each player in the BB house has to approach an eviction candidate based on how they deal with that person while in the BB house as well as how that evictee will interact with others in the sequester house.

I can't think of a worse, more contrived arrangement than if the evictees were forced to live together and arrive at vote between the F2 based on zero discussion.

Tamalyn

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 01:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i think when ali eveicts him, she sholud say you have been threatening both of us, to take you to the finals, which is a very bad game plan and thats why I have evicted you!!

hopefully then the jury will see that, and cancel out any of robs bad doings.

Seamonkey

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just said I hoped he wouldn't go to the house, but of course I didn't think he'd be kept on ice.
Just hate to think of him spewing venom and I suspect the majority of the jury would be happy to pass on hearing it.

Jack vote for Robert? I don't think so.

OWL, as usual, you are excellent :) So that was someone's wishful thinking about Julie saying Erika was the last to go to Mexico.

Wendo, I also thought it would be a good idea for Jun/Ali to mention in front of the jury that Robert had threatened them both. Of course Ali hasn't told Jun he threatened her.

Jimmer

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Um … maybe it’s different in America (inject sarcasm here), but aren’t juries supposed to discuss and debate the issues before they arrive at a conclusion?

Seamonkey

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Juries discuss and debate, but they are also to only consider the facts, and come to a group decision.

The "juries" for Survivor and BB are not juries in that sense because they do not reach a group verdict, but vote individually. No unanimity required.

Alexia

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Personaly, I think Robert's acting like a little spoiled brat who didn't get his way. I just have this picture in my head of him sitting in the corner pouting with his lower lip stuck out and saying "You're not playing with me! I'm telling Mom!"

What kind of example is he setting for his daughter whom he specificly told to "watch Daddy on tv"???

I think its pathetic for a supposed "grown up" (and I use that term loosely with these 3) to resort to such childish tactics.

Of course this is just my opinion.

Kaili

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There's no reason they can't talk.. deliberate.. with each other- they just don't want them to see the diary room time because those are supposed to be private thoughts/conversations (at least until the game is over).

Gidget

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Monday morning quarterback. Robert has gone about this all wrong. What he should have done was made Jun an offer of a guaranteed win. She is not 100% sure she can beat Ali since she thinks she has played a similar game.

Robert should have offered to instruct the jury to give his votes to Jun. 'I have helped Jun get rid of the undeserving and I gave her my WORD that I would ask you to vote for her. Please honor my word and my wishes. Jun played a great game. More than anything I wanted to be sure the nastiest player on BB did not take home an extra cent. I will be very happy with the 2nd place prize. It will make a nice trust fund for my little Elana. Please honor my wishes and vote for Jun.'

He could convince Jun that this will work by convincing her the jury is seeing the show and will know that he has given her his word. Also, he could tell her his 2 main supporters, Justin and Jee are honorable men and will abide by his wishes.

I think this tactic would have had a better chance than the threats.

Stardust

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rainwoman, a FELONY!!! LOL!!!!!

(sometimes you people are just too much lol)

Jimmer

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
“The "juries" for Survivor and BB are not juries in that sense because they do not reach a group verdict, but vote individually. No unanimity required.”

Good point. Then let’s consider that they are similar to Congress. Same thing as I said earlier still applies. The idea is to debate and discuss issues and try to convince your fellow members to vote the way that you think best.

Emdanzma

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well it sounds to me like he is telling the same story to both Jun and Ali (from what I've read--maybe I'm wrong). Maybe Ali knows this since I think he was hinting the same thing to her??

Rainwoman

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If I am Robert, I can discuss my feelings about how I feel the Final 2 have played the game. That is what juries do, discuss how they feel. They talk about who played best, and why, and they also discuss what made them upset during the game. But, I CANNOT TELL THE JURY HOW TO VOTE. I CANNOT TELL THEM TO "FIX" THE OUTCOME OF THE SHOW BECAUSE I AM PISSED OFF! and that is what Robert wants to do, and SAID he will do. He said he would MAKE SURE that the person who evicts him, won't win in the end. What a man.

After the quiz show scandals of the 50's, the FCC passed a NUMBER OF REGULATIONS, intended to maintain integrity of the shows.

Section 509. Prohibited practices in contests of knowledge, skill, or chance.
(a.) INFLUENCING, PREARRANGING, OR PREDETERMINING OUTCOME. It is against the law, and it carries a $10,000 fine/jail time.

BB has rules on this as well. I visited a site.


At this point, I don't care what anyone else says.

Lori

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not convinced Rainwoman. Robert does not have any more power than any of the other jury members. He can talk until he's blue in the face but that does not mean they will listen to him.

Now if the producers of the show were in there threatening the jury, Section 509 would certainly come into effect.

Ginger1218

Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
allrightyyyyy