Archive through September 16, 2003
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Archive through September 16, 2003
Iscreamer1 | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:56 pm     I haven't read this anywhere so I'm starting this thread. I am NO Ali fan but I think everyone here has it all wrong. Everyone is so sure that she won't get the votes from the jury but I have heard Nate say twice that he wishes Ali would show up at the sequester house so he could get some cuddling. Now if Nate can get past what she did to him enough to cuddle than I think the others will also see, that though it was way down low and dirty, she played one heck of a game. I hope I'm wrong but I think she has a good chance. |
Lori | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 05:59 pm     Ya never know...cuddling is one thing and $500,000 is another! LOL! |
Chelle | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:18 pm     I agree. I think there are those who will see her as a game player. I am not sure that Jee, Justin or Robert would vote for Jun to win. Then again I am not sure that they would vote for Ali to win. Dana is mad at Ali and Jun probably moreso at Ali. I really do believe that Erika and Nate will vote for Ali to win. We have seen it in other years. People vote on a game player. People vote for who made gutsy moves. IMHO, Ali is the one who had guts this year. |
Idolworship | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:18 pm     I can only hope that Alison goes home with nothing but her forked tongue, and her split ends. Unfortunately, she will win cash. Here's hoping that Nate is thinking with the correct part of his body, when the vote comes down. |
Sunshyne4u | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:19 pm     i think Nate was joking because he was the third wheel, Dana and Justin were hanging out exclusively. He seemed to feel 'left out' of the cuddling so made a flip comment. I really think that ALI might win, but only against Rob. |
Ketchuplover | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:49 pm     I wish the jurors could just boycott. |
Jimmer | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:50 pm     It will either be a close win or a big defeat. I think there tends to be a lot of "group think" in these jury sessions so it depends on how that swings. I really think that the person who could swing the most votes to Ali is Justin - but who knows how he would vote in a Jun/Ali final. |
Wendo | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:52 pm     Well, there really are no other options than a close win or a big defeat. I think Ali has a chance to win the big money as well. However, I view it this way. For Ali, she has to win it. For Jun, it's hers to lose. |
Bastable | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 06:59 pm     I think Ali has a great shot, too. It should be an exciting finale! |
Bondmaiden | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:01 pm     Great posts. Surprisingly even though I'm a big Ali fan, I will not be upset if Jun wins. I like Jun too. If Robert somehow won I would be very happy for his daughter, not so much for him. As to votes, I do know that Dana and Jack really don't like Ali so they will vote against her, and i thought Erika said something about talking to the others in the seq house about Ali? I have no idea about the other 4. |
Bastable | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:30 pm     It's pretty simple: If the jury goes with emotion, Jun wins. If they reward game playing, Alison wins. |
Ric_Munoz | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:31 pm     I wouldn't be surprised if the jury rewards Ali for pulling off the unthinkable: persuading Nathan to use the veto to save her all those weeks ago. I'm betting the immensity of that singularly thunderous act will factor significantly into the jury's decision-making. However, if Jun wins I'll be equally satisfied, especially now that the horrific aspect of Robert winning has been successfully squashed. |
Keiffer | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:45 pm     Sort of looks like this vote could come down to the whole reason why we have a sequester house this year. We have a the game player that had to play people to get where she is. She mislead people, flirted with people, and lied to people to help her win the game (Ali). Then we have a player who flew under the radar. While she was not always 100% honest she will be looked upon as the nice one. Now with the jury not seeing the diary rooms, or getting outside people talking to them will the "game player" actually win? Myself I had no problem with Danny not winning because I thought what made the game hard was balancing the inside game playing with keeping the outside people on your side. But if the rule change this year was to fix some supposed problem then Ali should be the winner. |
Bastable | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 07:50 pm     It's a tough call! Everyone hated Will Kirby, but they had to hand it to him for playing a tough game. Everyone hated Danielle Reyes, and they chose to punish her for it. You can never tell which way the wind is blowing until the final night. |
Monalisahi | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 08:28 pm     I'm thinking it's possible for Ali to pull off a win also. Unless the evicted hg's are in sequestration comparing notes (and I don't know why they would since they didn't in the house), they won't know about most of the lies Ali told. |
Gina8642 | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 08:45 pm     I definately think Alison has a chance to win. I doubt she will do better than 4-3 - but so what? Four votes is all it takes. I still give Jun a slight edge, but this is by no means a done deal. I'm really, really glad that it looks like a Jun/Ali final. This is not an easy vote to call. Not by a long shot!! |
What555456 | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 08:53 pm     I also think Ali has a chance to win. I think there are many on the jury who may have been miffed at what she did, but I am not sure they harbor the anger that the HG's harbored against Dani last year. I don't think they have any reason to. She hurt no one. She only played the game -- tough and agressively, but all she has done is played the game. I agree with Bastable -- it will depend on how the jury is motivated. I have wanted Jun to win from the beginning. I don't like Ali as a person. But I think she deserves it more. |
Kellirippa | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 08:56 pm     I don't think that all the players hated Will or Danielle, I think that they wanted to hate them, and felt duped by them...but I don't think they hated them. They both had a certain charisma.. Ali...not so much.. |
Sbeachy | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 09:21 pm     Ali has said repeatedly that she thinks that whoever wins the final HOH will win the money. Well, she seems to have talked Jun into throwing the HOH so she can take it all! I don't know if it is true about the final HOH winning the whole kitandcaboodle, but she sure has tried to make sure that Jun will give it to her! She even asked Jun HOW she was going to throw the comp! (Ok, I actually hope that Jun was on to that, and was just giving her a line about throwing the comp!!) Time will tell!!! |
Wendo | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 09:26 pm     Kellirippa, you make an interesting point. I think for Danielle, the biggest thing that affected the jury vote so that it would be against her is that many felt duped by her. And, no one likes to feel that way at all. Now, could this years jury make a case for feeling "duped" by Ali? Nathan could, I think. But the others, they were well aware of what she could do and what she was capable of. So, did she dupe them, or were they just naive to think she wouldn't dupe them as she did those before them? Interesting question... |
Spunky | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 09:51 pm     I think it was Jun who told Ali she was going to throw Round 3 so that Ali could win and be the one to do the dirty work for her: kick Robert out. This is so Jun that doesn't surprise me. I was rewatching the tapes up to the point when Jun wins HOH and I could see again how Ali managed to figure out where Jun went and winning POV and then again other wins until the Diamond Veto and then Round 1 of the last HOH. You could see that Ali is a strong player but then I noticed how Jun got rid of exactly who she wanted by letting Erika and Ali evict Jee and then letting Ali evict Erika. Now she will let Ali evict Robert and she will come out smelling like a rose to the Jury. |
Missapril | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:27 am     ANything can happen. IMO she's the least deserving of winning of the remaining and all eliglble houseguests from the onset of the game. She hasn't played the game,she's played people - the winner should be the winner based not on how s/he was able to use others' weaknesses, but how s/he was able to accentuate his/her own advantages and minimize his/her own weaknesses. The whole point of having a jury of one's 'peers' decide who wins is based on the human nature factor - what goes around comes around. If it weren't so, the jury would be a panel of completely objective people who didn't have anything to go on but observation. To deny the element of human nature does and by the rules of this game should play into the outcome is to deny the whole intent of the game in the fist place. Play it to win, but remember to whom you're ultimately beholden. |
Pixieduster | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:32 am     I posted this in the Ali Debate thread but thought it had relevance here. Do I recall correctly that Ali promised to buy Nathan a car if she wins? I figure she's got his vote locked in. He may have been making those nicey-nicey comments about cuddling with her expecting that she will see them. Could be his subtle way of letting her know she has his vote to ensure she remembers her promise...if there was one. |
Kalekona | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:44 am     In all honesty it was Erika who figured out where Jun was... Ali just rang the bell first. |
Nmbeach | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:51 am     If Ali pouts & shows her true self during the questions, she can't win. If she turns on the charm like she did with Nathan in the bedroom, she has a chance. I think Jun will do a much better job at answering the questions, but I don't know if Jee will be able to vote for Jun, which might influence Rob & Justin's votes. It could be close or it could be a blowout on either side. It will be interesting. |
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