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Nowwhat

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have been listening to Jun and Ali quiz each other on potential questions the jury might ask them. Jun is really helping Ali with what her answers should be. I've been listening carefully to this to see if Jun is "pulling a sneaky" but I don't think she is. She is being honest and very insightful, and even telling Ali what certain HG's problems are with Ali and what to say to make the HG's feel good about Ali.

I'm not rooting for either Jun or Ali to win...although obviously one will....it's just that I can't understand why Jun is doing this. ???

BTW, Ali is really not "giving up much" (if anything at all!) in this whole conversation and is not helping Jun. She's playing smart and getting all the info out of Jun without giving Jun any info that would help Jun.

Looks like Ali is going to win it all!

Bohawkins

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah for Ali...if you are correct then the best player will win after all.

However, I think that Jun will win irrespective of any answers by Ali. I think she burned too many bridges.

Bohawkins

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah for Ali... if you are correct then the best player will win after all.

However, I think that Jun will win irrespective of any answers by Ali. I think she burned too many bridges.

Meggieprice

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't understand why she is doing this! She is far more articulate than Ali and is actually giving her things to say.

Her answers have been honest and Ali is lying to Jun in return.

????

Gidget

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So close to the prize could Jun be trying to sabotage her own win? It's looking more and more like it since the HOH last night.

Ark

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I posted about this same thing in another thread. I can't believe that Jun has quit playing the game before it is over. I didn't even hear Ali ask for help, Jun just offered up some insightful advice and decided to help her out. JUN, JUN, THE GAMES NOT OVER!!!

Angelsluv

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
With this game they are playing today, I can honestly say, "Now, I've seen everything!"

Demsome

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really wonder if it will matter all that much how they answer the questions. It seems as though the jury has had a long time to think about who they want to win. As well as watching the tapes of the show. My feeling is they already know who they each want to win. The questions are a formality.

Tresbien

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they are both grateful to the other for sticking to their alliance that got them to this point. I believe they truly know that there isn't much they can say at this point that will sway the jury to their side. I also think each respects how the other played the game and that they trusted in their alliance because it was to the benefit of both of them. They got each other to the end is the bottom line here.

A couple of weeks ago when Ali and Jun were talking, Jun strongly told Ali that she had to promise to use the money to go to law school. My sense from that conversation is that Jun will be fine with whatever she wins at the end.

Gidget

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tresbien-
I disagree. Ali is not capable of acknowledging Jun's help. She can pay lip service but in her mind it was all Ali.

Jun on the other hand is either susceptible to the Ali virus or as I more strongly suspect, Jun may be one of those people who deep down do not believe they are deserving of good things.

This is an amazing turn of events. I surely didn't see it coming.

Naja

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I tried to picture myself on the jury. I came to the conclusion I would know who I was voting for long before Q&A time. I would only be using Q&A to:

1. Try to put either of the last 2 that I didn't like in an uncomfortable position with an uncomfortable question as a little revenge.

2. Give the one I truly like and want to win the money a nice question where there was no way the answer could put them in worse light to any other voters. Something to make them shine.

My mind would already be made up before I asked. My opinion is that Jun isn't hurting herself.

Trinity63

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really don't think it's going to matter in the long run. I think Ali has been mean one too many times. And she should be darn lucky that the other house guests don't see the diary room sessions because if they did -- it would be no votes for Ali, all votes for Jun. I think it might be that way anyhow.

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It would be a hoot if they showed some of this on tomorrow's show and let the evicted HGs see it when they watch the tapes.

Remember when Julie pointed out to Robert that during Ali's eviction speech to Robert, she brought up the threats he made to both Jun and Ali, thus nullifying his threats to the jury since they will see that? Showing some of this rehearsal to the HGs would do the same thing. If they know that some possible (or probable) questions have been rehearsed by Ali, the "beauty pageant* expert, they may just give her answers the weight they deserve.

I just hope they will all remember what Justin told them back in the house....that Ali is a "pathological liar". Hopefully she will be judged by her ACTIONS in the game rather than her rehearsed answers (the verbal answers of a person purported to be a "pathological liar" by someone that has known her for years, that is.)

It will definitely be an interesting finale!

Tamalyn

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i think its because Jun already knows she has won,

she knows the other housemtates will not vote for ali, which i now realise after seeing the sequestered house again.

she is helping ali feel a bit better about herself as she is obviously crapping herself about leaving etc.

remember Jun is a tough new york chick and ali is from a small town - even though she has been in pagents etc, i think she is not as tough as she trys to act.

Tresbien

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From last night's lfp:
A: 9:48

A: i'm drained Jun thank you

J: thank you it was awesome

A: I needed that

It's not the first time Ali has thanked Jun.

Meggieprice

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I still think it is strange as Jun has given Ali some great well thought out answers to justify Ali's behaviour in the house as well as talking about her own- giving Ali the opportunity to perhaps counter. Ali has lied to Jun. Jun has not been lying about key things to Ali.

I agree that what I saw of the jury house has me feeling that Jun will win. I would still like to see her keep her thoughts close to the vest now.

But hey- lets look on the bright side- while they have been talking about this stuff they have not been bashing!

Gidget

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali says many things Tresbien. But think about what she says in the diary room.

Tresbien

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No argument with that, Gidget. Ali says what serves her game. I do think both she and Jun knew they needed one another for the stretch run to the finish line and trusted each other to act accordingly. So, while I understand where you're coming from, I respectfully disagree.

Wendo

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"If they know that some possible (or probable) questions have been rehearsed by Ali, the "beauty pageant* expert, they may just give her answers the weight they deserve."

Jun is doing the same thing, rehearsing her answers. Why would it hurt Ali and not Jun?

Additionally, I doubt the sequester house will see any of their talks regarding the Q&A session.

Queenfish

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 04:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ooooooooo Flashback---to Amy sitting in the nominee chair rehearsing her speech.

Question--Do we know exactly what the jury will see?

Jagger

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 05:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with those that think the jury has their mind made up, if I were on the jury my mind would be made up by now and it would take some serious a$$ kissing to make me change it.

Idolworship

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But, doesn't the jury vote, before the question and answer session....and before they watch the videos? I must be confused.

Angelsluv

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 08:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
From a beauty pagaent winner, why haven't we seen her answer "I would like World Peace"???

Charvie

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison has been lying for most of the game. THe game is over and she still is lying. She told that she never said she had Justin beat up, though it was Jun that she told the lie too. Jun confronted her with it and she said if she did say it that's not what she meant to say. Jun coaching Alison will not hurt Jun. Alison obviously doesn't remember the lies she's told and who she told them too and her answers will be perpetuating those lies and new ones as she feels necesary. Ultimately lying to the person she lied to first, like she did with Jun. The jury will be amazed and probably bewildered by it. Andit may cement Jun's win. I think Jun feels sorry for Alison because she knows how this all could end up.
Idol-the questions are today or tomorrow and they won't vote until tues or weds.

Imz

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 09:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The ways of the brilliant confuse the masses. I've learned not to second guess the mighty intellect of Jun. She's held the house in her hands since early on in the game. Oddly enough, the only HG who seemed to recognize the magnitude of Jun's dangerous cunning was Nate – the supposed brawn of the house. BTW, I’m one Jun’s most virulent detractors, so it hurts me to write this.