Jun's Debate Thread
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Efilon | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:18 pm     Wendo, I do have faith in most of my fellow human beings. But there are some people who don't earn my faith and Ali is one, with Jun a close second. I have more faith in Jun having remorse than Ali. Time for me to hit the hay and reflect on the relative goodness in most humans.  |
Wendo | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:20 pm     See, Efilon, that's where you and I differ. I don't require people to "earn" my faith. I give it irregardless. |
Monalisahi | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:23 pm     Wendo said: "He's had some time to reflect on what he said; even having Julie ask him about it. Jun and Ali haven't had the time for reflection as he has. When they do, I think they both will have regrets as Rob did." Wendo, I would agree if it were calling the other hg's names......oh wait, they've done that all along and have had as much time as Rob to reflect on that....and still they continue. Actually, I think going after anybody's family is crossing the line, period. But there is positively no excuse for going after a 7 year old....I don't care what the circumstances are. That's it, the money should go to Elena. She's won 3 AC comps and has remained true to herself. Hey, there's a question for the Final 2....Would you give your winnings to Elena for the juvenile and grossly uncalled for attacks you made on her? |
Bondmaiden | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:27 pm     Well one of the girls is going to win so take your pick. |
Wendo | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:28 pm     Monalisahi, I think I said this in another thread, but it bears repeating here. Unfortunately, (and I don't agree with it), HG do attack other HG's families. It has happened in the past and it will likely happen in the future. Again, I don't agree, only that it's something that does occur. Additionally, as I said, I don't disagree that it's wrong to make comments about a child. I merely stated that I do understand the reasons and circumstances behind it. But that's not saying I excuse it. |
Ezgoing | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:28 pm     Umm, has anyone seen Wendo or Wood lately? I was just looking for them (the Mod sent me to keep tabs on Wendo's whereabouts cuz she's starting to get suspicious and might catch on about being followed). *EZ wonders what all that noise is coming from the closet???...* |
Bondmaiden | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:31 pm     I don't think the HGs get to hear Jun and Ali's comments before they vote. They just get to watch the competitions right? |
Monalisahi | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:38 pm     Bond, true. I just think that calling a 7 yr old little girl a....well, a not so nice name...is something that ranks low enough to make an exception for. Hey, look at it this way, it could at least make the finale interesting. |
Wendo | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:38 pm     Just competitions. And of course the comments when the jury interviews them. But no, nothing unless it was said in front of an eventual evicted HG. |
Bondmaiden | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:43 pm     In all fairness to Robert, I can't imagine what his reaction will be if he ever finds out what Jun and Ali called his daughter. Of course he should never consented for her to be part of this, if in fact he did. I think Juice said on another thread that no good can come of this. He may be right. Yikes! |
Meggieprice | Monday, September 15, 2003 - 10:45 pm     I think that this year Robert's daughter has a much higher profile than the children of past houseguests, so that perhaps it would be seen as more negative by BB. Who knows. What I do know is that the feeds have me exhausted today- it is really hard to listen to the bashing and anger go on and on and on. |
Efilon | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 05:15 am     Wendo said: "See, Efilon, that's where you and I differ. I don't require people to "earn" my faith. I give it irregardless." Now that I've had some sleep I can say that I misspoke there. What I think I really meant to say was that Ali has lost any faith I had in her by her actions in the house. And instead of faith I should probably have said respect. Ali was my favorite in the first few weeks. Her constant belittlement of her fellow houseguests changed my mind. Jun's and Ali's behavior last night was over the top. They are very poor winners. They have the game so I really don't understand why they can't be decent to Rob. Or the other houseguests as far as that goes. If either of these girls were my child, they would get an ear full when they finally got home. If any of my kids talked like that, especially about a child, I would rake them over the coals. Of course, I know for a fact that my kids might gossip about other houseguests but they would never have gone so far as to threaten to tear up a child's gift from their parent or call the child names. JMO...Have a good day all. |
Atjoybell | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 05:37 am     The language on this year's show has been by far some of the worse. The namecalling has really gotten out of hand. But when I read what Jun said about Elena, I thought I was reading a misprint! That was the cruelest thing a person could have done! If I were Elena (or her parents), I would definitely think about sueing Jun and CBS (for allowing it). As bad as I hate Ali, if it's between J and A, I hope Ali wins. |
Naja | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 06:45 am     Did you ever notice that Jun purposely brings up things about other HG's that she knows will set off Ali? It always works, too. Jun knows exactly what to say to send Ali off on one of her potty mouth tirades. To me it looks like a little game Jun plays with Ali to amuse herself...LOL Sorta sick. I am rooting for Jun, but only because Erika is gone, and Robert and Ali just rub me the wrong way more often than Jun does. If I hear Robert say "no no no no no no, that's not what I mean..." one more time in a place where it doesn't even fit in the conversation, I may scream. |
Marej | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 06:53 am     IMO Jun knows that Ali is gonna be ripped to shreds by a lot of people when they get out of there. So she's egging Ali on (in her own subtle way) and Ali spews all this venomous crap and Jun knows the jury hates Ali and is having fun. |
Monalisahi | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 07:13 am     Geez, these girls make it harder and harder to choose the lesser of the 2 evils. After last night, I'm going to have to root for Ali (still assuming it will be the 2 girls). I guess I'd rather the money go for Ali's form of birth control (pill) than Jun's (she's had 2 abortions - 1 using the morning after pill and she didn't go into details on the second - and I'm assuming when she said "couple" that meant 2, but could be 3 or more). |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 07:56 am     Jun said that? I only browsed the LFPs from last night. I never saw that. She said she made mistakes - that can mean nearly anything. BTW - you don't know if you are pregnant when you take the morning after pill - the whole point is to prevent something that might happen. As anyone who has tried to have a baby knows - just because you had sex does not mean you got pregnant. |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:33 am     I guess Jun did indeed say this. I'm shocked she did since she knows full well about the dreaded internet and I'm sure she knows how judgemental many folks are regarding abortion. BTW - RU-486 is different than the morning after pill. RU-486 is taken diring early prenancy (the woman knows she conceived) and causes an abortion. The moring after pill is taken within a day or two of sex - before a woman knows if there was conception. It is often used after rapes or contraception mistakes. |
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