Archive through September 18, 2003
TV ClubHouse: Archive: Elena was there - fair or unfair?:
Archive through September 18, 2003
Crazydog | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:16 am     Am I the only one who thinks that bringing Elena to the studio is a little unfair? Yes, I know she's a seven year old girl who wants to see her daddy. But the entire season, the voters have been sequestered and cut off from outside influences on the game. I feel that they made a special exception for Robert and Elena, just because BB loves Robert and BB loves Elena. Even a seven year old can be coached to tell him things. What if she said to him, "Grandma wants you to vote for Jun because she hates Alison." I remember that video they shot of Lori's kids last year where they were throwing rocks at bottles with Josh's picture (or something like that). The bottom line is I feel that all the evictees should have been treated equally. None of them got to see their loved ones, so I think it should have been the same for Robert. Erika missed her mom dearly, and I believe they live on the same street, so they could have easily brought her mother in last week. |
Ryn | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:19 am     Fair I was happy they did it - and I don't think it changes the outcome of the game one bit. I would have felt the same for any other HG that had children under the age of say 16 or so. But none of them do. |
Wendo | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:21 am     Oh Crazydog. I see BIG can 'o worms with this thread. LOL! Don't you know? Children are sacrocant on this board. LOL! Btw, I see your point. (Even though I did enjoy the moment.) |
Tresbien | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:24 am     Clearly, Robert is not spending a week in the luxurious, tropical Jury House. In past years there was always someone awaiting the evictee, so I think it was absolutely appropriate for Elena to be there for her dad. He lived that experience and no daughter, grandma or anyone else is likely to sway his vote now. Whatever else you can say about Robert, he has a mind of his own and will make his own decision. |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:25 am     Last year, Lori and Tonya were sequestered. They didn't get to see their kids. Just sayin'. And I don't see why just because the child is young, they should allow it. Every single one of them have loved ones that they miss. |
Pbnj | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:25 am     I'm with Ryn on this one....I would bet all the hgs would agree......Elena was a part of the show (rightly or wrongly) and it was a warm and fuzzy moment for a 7 yr old and the rest of us who feel for her. I doubt they left Robert alone with her....they probably talked for a few minutes and then swept him away for 'deliberations' I seriously doubt anything sinister went on. And I'm sure that if she were much more than 10 yrs old, they probably would not have had a reunion. Besides, whoever said BB was fair? LMAO that's an oxymoron if there ever was one....just look at the editing |
Atjoybell | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:27 am     While I can see your point Crazydog and I was a little surprised when they brought her in, it was good to see them together. I was glad to see it. I guess that's one part I miss - the evicted HGs being reunited with their loved ones. |
Ryn | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:32 am     Crazy - I can only speak as a parent of 3 children 10 and under - I realize peopel will say it was unfair (I mentioned it in my comments last night on my site as soon as I saw it). I just cannot fathom how much he missed her - and there is a difference between say Jack and his grown daughters and Robert and his child. Last year the HGs were not sequestered - they got to leave the show and see their kids. |
Idolworship | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:34 am     Crazydog, Erika went to the jury house; I would imagine that Robert will not, but will stay with his child, for the week, sequestered locally. I doubt that BB would rip the kid out of her dad's arms again, so quickly after reuniting them. Even the BB producers aren't that dumb...(she said, hopefully ). |
Csnog | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:34 am     The phychiatrist on the show may have suggested it. She may have needed" to see and hug him. |
Sushigirl | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:36 am     Crazy, I think it was unfair. If Robert had not had contact with his daughter for the whole time he was in the house, maybe I would feel different but that wasn't the case. |
Needmylifeback | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:38 am     After watching the show...It was nice that they did that...but, IF they then "Swept Robert off to the Sequestered House" then THAT was unfair to Elena! What's he going to say...'Sorry Mama...I'll see you in a week!"...that hug looked like she would never let go. If the assumtion is that he's not being sequestered like the others...then, I'll conceed that it was the right thing to do...but, then will he get to still influence the others on the jury? |
Juiceman | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:38 am     Wait.. dont all the houseguests always get to visit with the family at that moment in the show? I might be wrong but Im sure Ive seen many children that werent over 18? I probably would have disagreed with it - if they had zoomed in for minutes and turned it into a segment. They just kind of show you the family is there and then go back to Julie right away. |
Sushigirl | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:38 am     One more thing..It was his choice to leave his daughter. |
Gidget | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:41 am     I do not think it was fair BUT, I think it was one of the nicest moments this season on BB. I enjoyed it, as did many others I think, not to mention Rob and Elena. |
Juiceman | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:43 am     uhhh. Yes. I guess that apply's to anyone on the show and family? Im not sure if this is just because of the region and background of my area but men (and women) leaving for 2-3 month jobs is very common and not just acceptable but 'the right thing' to do to support you family. Im guess this isnt common in other cultures and regions, classes etc because it always surprises me to hear it 'thrown in' the critisisms of Robert? |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:46 am     Ryn, last year the first four evictees - Lori, Tonya, Amy and Eric - were sequestered until that competition that brought Amy back in the house. Juiceman, in past seasons, the evictee has been greeted by a loved one, but this year from the time Dana has been evicted all of them were sequestered. I think it would be unfair to Robert (and to the other voters) if he doesn't get to go to the jury house. That's part of the game - as each one is evicted they bring a tape of the competitions and new perspectives. Robert's perspectives about Alison and Jun may be the most important of all - I am sure they will want to hear what went down. |
Jpgramma | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:52 am     BB would have been nuts to miss a great TV moment like that. I say fair and very smart move on BB's part. What's a 7 year old going to do to sway Robt's jury vote? Whisper into Daddies ear (while in a tearful bearhog embrace), "Daddy! Don't vote for Alison!" ?? LOL.. actually, I kind of wish she had (smirk) but I think BB felt confident that the moment would be all about warm and fuzzies. And it was. It brought a tear to my eyes and I am in NO way a Robert fan. Fair, yup. But really, fair never entered the equation. It was all about ratings and A/S does know a thing or two about ratings. |
Rhett | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:53 am     CBS can effect the out come of the game anytime they want to. I don't think Robert getting to see his daughter will effect the outcome. I thought it was a nice thing for CBS to do. I enjoyed seeing them reunited. It made great TV. |
Bastable | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:56 am     She's a seven-year-old girl! The no-family-contact rule is there mostly so that the jury pool won't be tainted with people whispering DR secrets in their ears. (Remember when Brittany was booted, and the first thing her mom did was tell her all about George's wife's phone campaign?) Elena was not going to do that--she's seven! The rule was never there to punish the HGs or to make them suffer. I think allowing her to see Robert was within the spirit of the game and within the rules. I think that if someone wants to get upset about it, then they really just want to get upset about something today. It's not important or scandalous. |
Pbnj | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:57 am     Guess it depends on how they prepped Elena for the reunion. I'd bet they told her that her dad isn't done with the show yet but they'd let her see him for a minute. That he'd be home in a week. Seven yr olds are not toddlers...they understand more than some think. It would be no more cruel to 'sweep' Robert away than it is to 'sweep' our troops (who went to Iraq) away from their little kids. Loss is part of life and life has never been fair. She'll be happy to see him in a week and will not be permanently traumatized. JMO |
Pixieduster | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:58 am     Fair? I thought it was great for Elena but consider this...Robert now is so softened up by getting to see her that he leaves with the warm fuzzies for everyone - including Ali and Jun. His "threats" were thus possibly neutralized and he'll go to the sequester house (if he does in fact go) and tell the rest of the HG's he loves both of them, he doesn't care who wins, he has nothing bad to say about anyone, yada, yada, yada. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:58 am     Fair, unfair? Of all the unfair things that happened, this was simply humane. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 07:00 am     Pixie, I don't think Robert will lose his "edge" so easily as that. |
Pbnj | Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 07:07 am     Pixie...that was tongue in cheek, right?? sounds like a post in the 'dream ending' thread ;-) Robert only has a soft spot for Elena (as far as I can tell) |
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