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Jpgramma

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
PLEASE..please, please, please, DON'T make the same mistake as last year and leave your viewers with no feeling of closure by showing only the jury votes and not their reasons for their vote.

Want good TV? Ask each Jury member to explain, in a limited number of words/time, WHY they voted the way they did as they pull their keys from the box!

Last years show was sorely lacking because it of this. Their vote keys will already be in the box, so their voiced reasons will not sway any of the others votes. please, please, please, PLEASE!

Bastable

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 07:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Agreed! The final questions they ask are too guarded to indicate their true emotions (like Roddy's PB&J question last year). Make them explain their reasons before voting--it will build the suspense and explain everything in a satisfying way. And we may get a memorable Sue Hawk speech in the bunch!

Jpgramma

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One can only hope Bastable. I recall that not hearing why each jury member voted the way they did last year was a real source of contention. Particularly Rob's vote. Many, and I mean MANY viewers voiced their concern for why he voted for Lisa when his DR entries all stated that he was so about game play.

Some posters were so disenchanted by not hearing the reasons that they vowed not to watch this year. It did make for a very anti-climatic and no-closure ending.

My hope is that enough posters will agree with this, thus keeping this thread near the top with a large enough number of replies for the BB folks to actually take notice. We KNOW they read this board, as was evidenced by the 'fan letters' that appeared on the fan boards they gave them. (They did the same last year. One of my letters that I posted here was among the ones on danielle's board) :)

So..I'm agreeing..and in doing so shamelessly bumping.

Crossfire

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 07:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with you guys. This is a good point, and I hope they got the message about what it is we want.

I think the natural impulse of television production, is to take the big moment of the show, and stick it smack dab in the final 15 minutes to force people to watch while enduring continuous "And when we come back, we will reveal the winner" about fifteen times.

That is wrong, wrong, wrong. Get the vote out of the way el-pronto, use the time to explain it, and go in-depth with the jury. Wipe away all the BS, such and such played a great game that Jack (who I otherwise like) will want to spew, and get dirty up to the elbow with specifics.

Crossfire

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 07:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Last year we were left with unexplained events like Josh voting for Lisa following a segment of him praying at his Dani shrine. I want that stuff explained.

Monalisahi

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Absolutely agreed. If we don't know WHY they are voting they way they are, what's the point in watching? Geez, I can come here and find out results.

Gidget

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Does it really matter? We will invent a million reasons all in our fertile imaginations. :)

Perhaps the mystery and speculation is part of the fun.

Nah, I want to know to. I want more "Sue"

Llkoolaid

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, yes, I agree, this is one of the things I complained about last year. I thought Danielle played the hardest and I wanted them to explain why they voted for Lisa and not Danielle. I think we would see people voting for the players rather than the floaters or at least answering why. It would be pretty hard for them to say I am voting for the other guy because you outsmarted me.
It would make much better TV.

Jagger

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree I would love to know why each person votes the way they do. Wonder how many of them would admit they were outplayed by the person they thought they could trust.

Spunky

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
People, people... have you watched the show last night??

Julie said the Jury is already discussing their selection and I believe on Friday we may get a taste of what their thoughts are and why they're voting for Ali or for Jun... Then of course, the votes will be totally opposite of what they said... eh, eh...

It will be all edited.. of course and on September 24 you'll see the revealing of their votes only. When Michelle, David and Amanda join the group then they'll let go of their frustrations because by then they'll have seen the whole 4 tapes of BB4.

Jpgramma

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ah.. but wouldn't you love it if they had to state their reason in front of June and Alison as they pulled out their key?

Heck, might even keep them a bit more honest. If they had done this last year, there might not have been so much speculating on whether or not Roddy had led a behind the scenes campagne against Danille.

I can just hear it now :

Dana : "I vote for Alison just because I hate it when prople say I'm predictable. That just pi$$es me awf!"

Nate : " I vote for Jun because she's the lesser of you two evil biaches. You shouldn't have tried to convince everyone that I was gay and then bragged about how you used me Alison. You skank."

Justin : "I vote for Jun because I really, really can't stand you Alison, and if I ever voted for you I'd NEVER be able to get you out of my life."

Jee : "I vote for Jun because maybe she'll continue to help out my family the way she promised my Father she would when he was on his death bed."

Jack : "I vote for Jun because she was the better player between you two. There was a lot more luck involved in your making it this far Alison. Jun was actually far more focussed."

Erika : "I vote for Jun because I really, really, really can't stand you Alison. Oh, and this IS personal."

Robert : "I vote for Jun, because Justin told me to."

oh, one more thing. I DO hope that Justin and Dana are sitting next to each other all cuddly and mushy with each other while they're all sitting in the LR looking at Alison & Jun.

Spunky

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah gramma,

that's exactly how I would like to see it as well... LOL.. You put Dana as the only one who votes for Ali...

Spyder

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jpgramma-- FANTASTIC!

I LOVE your reasons. LOL

Bracken

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL JPGramma. We do need more drama and information than was given to us last year.

Bump for this thread, too.

Crazydog

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Jpgramma. I do want to see the HGs give their reasons for how they voted. But I'd have to disagree about being completely in the dark last year. I'd say I knew exactly why everyone was voting the way they did, except for Josh and Lori. Josh's vote was odd and as far as Lori, who knows what the woman thinks, she is a bit off her rocker.

We need to see some reasoning as they are in the DR casting their vote by inserting their key into the box. I doubt we will get it though. Earlier this season when we had the live voting in the DR, there was no explanation. I don't understand why they couldn't have said why they were voting the way they did. Time? It takes 30 seconds each. Cut out some of the inane chatter and they would have had time.

Jpgramma

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
shameless, shameless bump. Cuz I reaaly hope Shapiro's people will see this.

Woodpecke®

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I already have closure from this year. Hope next year is better. Hope that Donnie is there on Wednesday. I want to see an old-fashioned trailer park brawl. Hope we don't hear the phrase, "Here's your butterfly, B*tch."

Italiana

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jpgramma...Right on and thanks for the laugh...I laughed out loud at...Robert : "I vote for Jun, because Justin told me to." ! Perfect!!!

Sampatsfan

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So funny jpgramma.....sounds great....bump

Beruthiel

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree completely with this plea, and Crossfire's post of 8.19am said it right on the nose.
I'm SICK of fillers and five minutes of what happened last time, on every show. There's so much which we'd be fascinated in hearing about that BB doesn't touch on, and for no good reason that I can fathom.

Give us some DEPTH, give us some REASONS, let us see WHY, and let us see REACTIONS!

ARE YOU READING THIS, BB STAFFERS?
Read and LEARN from us, the FANS!
Okay, I feel better now

Spyder

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 05:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know that there is a lot of levity in this thread but I hope the producers know that
WE ARE SERIOUS!

I can't believe how diluted the voting shows have become. Beruthiel said it all:

Depth-- Reasons-- Why-- REACTIONS!

Don't they realize that a dramatic conclusion will create buzz for future seasons.

Don't let us down!

Sheilaree

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hear Hear I agree with you I hope Shapiro learns from this year group for next year too. I would like to see a mix of people for next year not just young people either. Do you think anyone from Shapiro's group look at these boards, maybe and they will take some ideas I hope

Onlyhuman

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The biggest problem is, I don't know that many of these people will have alot of depth.

Once they leave jury paradise, my guess is that the jury will just want to get this over so they can go home. How much real thought and effort will they put in?

Dana: "I vote for Jun because she was my girl in the house and I said I'd always have her back."

Justin: "I vote for Jun because there's no way I'd vote for Ali."

Nathan: "I vote for Ali because I don't like Jun."

Erika: "I vote for Jun because she played a better game."

Jack: "I vote for Jun because she played a better game."

Jee: "I vote for Jun because she controlled the house."

Robert: "I vote for Jun because I liked the talks we had."

End of night, everyone goes their separate ways until Saturday's wrap party, where everyone pretends to be nice to each other's faces while they talk cr*p behind their backs.

Puzzled

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 06:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Great post Jpgramma. Thanks!

The Survivor people seem so much more honest about their reactions--what's the difference, that makes them less fakey?

Carrie92

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 07:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tomorrow night's show is going to be outrageous BB moments - per the promo.

Don't know if the jury will be able to watch this episode, but if so...

THIS IS THE LAST CHANCE FOR THE JURY (and most of America) TO FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ALISON AND JUN REALLY ARE.

If they want to show outrageous moments - what could be more outrageous than the comments made by those two last week???

Pleeeeaaaasse, AS! I might watch the finale if I know the jury isn't unfairly biased by believing the very tame footage that has been shown of Alison and Jun. You don't really want me to watch The Bachelor do you?