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R151996

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gidget, there has been only one act of "explicit sexual conduct" during the game, and Ali was not in the same room when it happened.

Gidget

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I will not get into a debate with other posters no matter how much they try to bait me. I have only stated facts from the game. They are what they are.

Hamsterlady

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought this was the debate thread Gidget? Why would you post this comment over and over and over here then? You don't want anybody to debate here? Perhaps everybody should hold their hands over their ears and ignore everything.

BTW, I'm not baiting but you did repeat your phrase multiple times. Thank goodness you're not a spammer.

Hamsterlady

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
600! :)

Gidget

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What does 600 mean?

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nice job, Gidget. You carefully and factually pointed out what many of us were trying to say earlier. Your statements about Alison cannot be refuted by anyone interested in an honest debate. Seeing all the facts lined up in a tidy row is painful to read. Debating is your forte. Thanks for posting.

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali was definitely not beyond using her sexuality in the game. Explicit or no. Remember her and Justin in the hot tub? (Wish I could forget!) The way she talked Nathan into the veto? Nuff, said, don't need to go on. She is not the first to use it and will not be the last.

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So then, that just puts us back to the age-old debate, does the "nice" person of sound moral character deserve to win, or does the person who "played the game" doing whatever needed to be done to get to the finals deserve to win?

Since this is a tv show and not a presidential race, I'm gonna vote for the latter.

But it's something that we will NEVER come to an agreement on.

K9lover1

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it was the 600th post to this thread.

R151996

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali clearly used her sexuality to her advantage. More power to her. But sexuality and "explicit sexual conduct" are VERY different.

Gidget

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggieprice, I have nothing against Ali using her physical wiles in the game. Nothing at all. Her seduction of Nathan was necessary in my opinion. If he was naive enough to fall for it, well he is in the jury house, not the F3, nuff said.

I also think flirting for the purpose of gaining favor with the male contestants is completely valid.

But I draw the line at crawling all over several men and rolling around in bed with them. Especially one who was being evicted!!??!!

Busydizzle

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"But it's something that we will NEVER come to an agreement on."

Huge AMEN to that one. I personally think Ali has been debated enough. People who support her are most likely in favor of her strategies as part of a game, while those who don't are repulsed by her behavior. I think either opinion is just fine and I hope that soon enough we will all just agree to disagree.

Caycaye

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
R151996 - In TOTAL defense of Gidget....

EXPLICIT, according to Webster's Dictionary, means - fully revealed or expressed without vagueness; leaving no question as to meaning or intent.

So, by meaning of the word, explicit, Gidget was correct in stating Ali had explicit sexual conduct with all of the men mentioned. Gidget did not say EXPLICIT sexual intercourse. OK?

And also in solidarity with Gidget, I agree that Ali has gone WAY above and beyond what was NECESSARY to play this game well and win. I do not think Ali deserves a PENNY, and am disappointed already that Ali looks to win something.

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, mine is the other way 'round. I don't like her personality as much as I like the way she's played so her STRATEGY has caused me to like her.

............. a little. :)

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gidget, I totally agree. That is one of the many things I did not like in Ali's game play.She does not seem to know when to stop- be it trashing others, using sexuality, lying- however, that is just my opinion!

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<<<But I draw the line at crawling all over several men and rolling around in bed with them.>>>

You should try it some time, it's fun! Would totally change your perspective. Actually, I think to-be-evicted guys are the best ones to roll around with, that way you won't have to deal with them later. (ha ha, kidding)

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My biggest problem with Alison in this game was her decision to discuss Donnie and his family's financial status. I found it embarrassing and instantly thought it was out of line. Busydizzle says: "I think either opinion is just fine and I hope that soon enough we will all just agree to disagree." If you truly mean what you say, you wouldn't be posting messages in my private folder and then trumpeting that fact in this thread.

R151996

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I totally agree with your first two points, Gidget. And you confirmed my point with your third--crawling all over men and rolling around in bed with them is not explicit sexual conduct unless something else also happens.

K9lover1

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In the case of Nathan I do believe she used her sexuality to try to get him to do something. Besides that one motive, her sexuality is the way she is. That is the true Ali coming out there. Any man that would show interest she would reciprocate. IMO

Caycaye

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Webster's dictionary disagress with YOUR definition of explicit sexual conduct R151996....I choose to believe THEIR definition.

Gidget does too, I'm sure.

Hamsterlady

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I'm not for or against any of the 3 remaining really. I think all 3 (and yes that includes Ali) have their own redeeming qualities and their own bad qualities as well.

I believe that the person you're seeing in the house isn't totally representative of what you may see outside of the house. I believe that in the case of all three remaining houseguests, it is a combination. Some of the character traits shown in the house are true and some of them are false.

With that said, it doesn't really matter a whole lot of nothing what 'we' think about them. When it comes to 'us', it doesn't matter who played who, who said what to whom, or who acted what way to whomever.

Only the sequestered houseguests matter when it comes down to deciding. Not us. And who knows what they're going to decide the winner on? Game play? Alliance? Both? We certainly don't know.

BTW, I think Ali has done an excellent job playing the game. I never expected her to make it this far. She wasn't one of my favorites but if I had to score her in PLAYING THE GAME, I'd give her a 3.

Just kidding, I'd give her an 8.

Gidget

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ah Cliotheleo, you sweet young thing. I did more than my share of crawling and rolling. Then I married my dream man. Wouldn't think of spreading myself around at this point when I have the perfect partner.

R151996, as I just mentioned to Clio, I did my share of crawling and I know explicit from innocent flirting. Men are NOT made of stone.

Busydizzle

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker, I wasn't trumpeting anything. I simply didn't know how else to tell you. It didn't seem as if you checked it often and I was hoping you'd see it. Besides that, my message to you had nothing to do with my last message in this thread.

As for posting in this thread, that WAS going to be my last one until I saw my name and came to defend myself.

BTW, do NOT tell me what I mean and what I do not. I'm not a liar and will not stand to be called one. I'm sorry if you were offended by the private message I left, but I was trying to be civil. I guess that kind of thing doesn't work around here.

Well, thanks for ruining what I thought was going to be a good time. Goodbye, all.

Gidget

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Busydizzle, come back. It IS just a game. None of us really know each other. Some of us like each other more than others. BB is just a big snore without TVCH friends. Come back and play little one.

R151996

Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 07:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gidget, we'll just agree to disagree on this point. But just flirting doesn't qualify in my book either. Explicit to me means there must be direct sexual contact (skin-to-skin) of some kind.

Ali's reaction to this theme of the thread would probably be "NAAAAASSTY".