BB5 ideas to prevent another Ali/Jun disaster
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Lurknomore | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:09 am     To me this is about a bigger issue...why do we watch BB and other TV shows? Obviously to get enjoyment out of it. Now I am only speaking for me, but I didn't enjoy this year's BB even though I LOVE the concept of BB. I didn't like it cause I didn't like the vast majority of the people on it. They weren't interesting. They weren't funny. They never tried to make it interesting for themselves or us. And they complained about everything they got...nothing was ever good enough. I paid for feeds I hardly ever watched cause they were so boring. And now we are near finale time and to feel good I would have to be rooting for someone to win. Ok I am rooting for Jun, but not cause I like her, but because of how much I dislike Ali. And I actually feel sorry for some of these folks when they see her DR's...not to mention how sorry I feel for Donny who has always come across like a decent person. I agree with Maris on the casting. I didn't mention that because I thought at this point that issue was a given. All I know is I want to tune into the finale of ANY show and really want someone up there to win. That is my idea of getting enjoyment. Last Bachelorette I WANTED to see Ryan win, even though I didn't think Trista was worthy. I enjoyed not only seeing him win but thinking that it wasn't all staged and they do actually care for each other. In BB1 I WANTED Curtis to win. Even though he didn't at least I didn't hold such distaste for anyone in the final 3 that I couldn't stand the thought of them winning. It's like a football game. Yeah you can watch 2 teams you care about play and maybe it's a good game, but unless you are rooting for one team you just don't care the same way. |
Sunshyne4u | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:37 am     Well, being a fan of the original premise of BB1 and other countries, I would like to see some major changes. I love the idea of at least ONE public vote sometime during the season...maybe half way thru, just to shake up the house involking paranoia! hee hee The challenges and comps are LAME...and easily manipulated for certain people to win. This year the comps have been predictable. Make HOH comps more difficult to win. ie More endurance type challenges(involving simple concepts not elaborate SETS!) or multiphasic challenges over a couple of days. Alliances change sometimes DAILY....this constant uncertainty about WHO is going to ultimately TAKE HOH will give lots of footage for the TV show. The VETO should be something that comes with a Benefit.......maybe the USER of a VETO will face off against the ultimate winner of the HOH comp....therefore WHEN a veto is used, the VETO holder has a 50/50 chance of becoming NEW HOH!! I like this idea better than the remaining nominee becoming automatic HOH as it could become too predictable. Get rid of the pathetic attempts to make the show a "skin" show...cast REAL people with varying backgrounds. Its California.....people will wear bathingsuits!! Most of us have complained about the same thing. The cast this year were so much the same type of person. |
Sunshyne4u | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:48 am     oh and the PB&J thing is just tooooo lame.....get rid of it. Winning team get great dinners brought in from nice restaurants(so they eat separately and No cooking!!).....kinda like the remaining HGs are getting. Losing team get extremely rationed food supply..not just PBJ...maybe Eggs/ Bread/ Milk/ margerine/ and that is IT! They also loose the microwave and other EXTRAs that are luxuries. They must USE THE STOVE for cooking LOL. ALSO.......do the "you want warm water? get up early" thing again!! This ridiculous set up of these HGs taking multiple showers and baths is a WASTE OF WATER!! For instance, I feel Rob is just bored and wants to do something....therefore he is taking 2-3 showers a day and often a bath too. |
Earthmother | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 12:15 pm     I still like the idea of America being part of the game, but don't like the total control given to them. I'd like there to be 3 expect the unexpecteds during the game. 1. NO HOH WEEK Nominations done by all hgs like in BB1 No POV and all hgs vote. 2. AMERICA NOMINATES WEEK veto given to the HOH 3. HOH NOMINATES America votes. These should be totally random and hopefully thrown in when the cocky stuff starts...or the game starts getting toooooooo predictable.. |
Maris | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 12:42 pm     Sunshin, the only difficulty that I see with your idea of making the HOH competitions more difficult is that right now the HOH competition winners are based on who tried to throw it and failed. Every HOH except the last competition between Jun/Ali/Robert has been thrown by at least two players and sometimes as many as four. The HOH competitions need to be structured so they cant throw them. I also dont like the fact that the HGs all know if they are being evicted well in advance of the show (with the exception of Michele). Maybe they need to have a new HOH rule that the HOH cant tell anyone who he/she is nominating. Let the HGs campaign with the HOH for who they think should be nominated but the HOH should not be allowed to give any idea of their intentions. Another option is if you want america to have some input, let America decide one of the nominations but the HGs do not find out who the nomination is until after the HOH puts in their nomination. If the HOH nominates the same person as America does then the next popular america vote goes in. |
Vealprince | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 03:04 pm     I also don't agree with the premise. I think players need to be put in situation where they need to lie and backstab even more to stay in the game. The last thing I want to see is a housefull of Jasons all summer long. Even worse, a return to the rules of BB1 that produced the most boring results ever. So I don't think this final is a disaster. The only disaster is if Robert makes it. Anyway.. I would like to see every evicted houseguest get to cast a 'blackvote' against someone still in the house. This vote would only become active the immediate next time that person is on the nomination chopping block. The HG's of course, would not ever know if there are any dormant black votes against them until voting night. Another twist to this could be x amount of black votes can prevent a POV for being effective? |
Wilsonatmd | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 03:33 pm     if you want to put America in charge to a point, let it be, after the first eviction and the new HOH is determined (so we can get to know them first), tell them that the rules for noms will change. The home audience gets to pick three people for nomination (other than the HOH, who's immune), but the HOH gets to save one of them (and it can still keep with the schedule on Wednesdays, Fridays, and Tuesdays; give the public 3 hours after the show to vote on Wednesdays, have the vote revealed, as well as have the HOH pick the saved person on Thursday for the Friday show, and then Veto can be for Tuesday). Veto can then go as planned, being able to save yourself or someone else, and HOH gets to pick the replacement. So every week, at least one person who America doesn't like gets nommed, but it's up to the HG's to evict. |
Texasdeb | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 04:08 pm     I don't want America getting any kind of vote other than America's Choice. I would like them to restructure & here are my ideas: 1) No HOH for 2 or 3 wks - instead, do it like BB1 (ea HG nominates 2 HGs in the DR, they tally all the votes & the 2 HG with the most votes are up for eviction that wk). They would be informed of how many inital nomination votes they ea got even if they weren't the 2 with the most. Would stir up some good TV with HGs scrambling around trying to figure out who gave them that 1 or 2 vote/s. hee..hee. 2) BB should deside how many comps will be a)mental, b)physical, & c)endurance prior to the start of BB5. It could be set up like a bingo/lotto deal & the HOH could "drop" the ball to determine which type of veto comp. they would have & the veto holder could "drop" the ball to determine the next HOH comp. These "drop" of the balls could be done in a ceremony type setting allowing BB enough time to prepare for which ever type of comp. would be next. 3) Surprise Twist - When the 6 HGs are in the jury house, have an unknown HOH type comp. for them with the winner advancing back into the orig. house to compete in the final HOH as if they were never evicted (this would keep fans from dropping like flies towards the end). 4) Keep final HOH 3 part with 1 change: each remaining HG plays all 3 parts - to win you must take 2 contests (in the event of a tie - a 4th contest could be held). 5) Don't spend so much $$ on the evicted HGs! Use the BB5 budget on the stuff WE see. Sorry about the long post - I've put alot of thought in this & hope the producers at least will read this thread when planning next yr. |
Whoami | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 04:46 pm     How about the two lowest placements in the HOH comp end up being that week's nominees? Then, the HOH has the responsibility to name a replacement if the Veto is used. |
Maris | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 04:52 pm     Very good whoami,I like that. I might change it to the HOH has the power to replace one of the nominations. The person who wins the power of veto can either take themselves off the block or veto and replace one of the nominees. The POV should include both the veto and nominating the replacement. |
Texasdeb | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 05:07 pm     Whoami, good idea but to allow HOH some kind of power why not let the HOH "replace" (prior to veto) either of the nominees. |
Charvie | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 05:37 pm     What I feel has probably already been said. But here's my views. 1-Give people an incentive to win the competions, Not throw them or be tepmted to throw them. 2-If there is an extensive process to be on the show, apply the process equally,accurately and fairly to all the participants. 3- Come up with activities and chores that gives the HGS something to do besides bash each other. 4-Give them a washer and dryer. 5-Get rid of the PB&J diet. It's annoying and doesn't provide any added drama. That's all for now. |
Niceguy | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:49 pm     Well it was a total whitewash tonight. No mention of Ali's comments no mention of Jun's comments. Ali grandstands so that the jury gets to see Robert's last move in the ugliest light. I would like to think CBS will edit out that moment so the jury won't be affected but that's very unlikely. At least Justin and Jee made those two look a little silly by giving answers that seem to reach out and smack the two of them upside the head to keep their heads from getting bigger than they already are. |
Bastable | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:55 pm     Niceguy, the evictions are fair game to show to the jury, and all the HGs know that. It was very shrewd of Alison to reveal that during the eviction. GREAT move--it totally paralyzes Robert's power. |
Cinapoo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:03 pm     I don't think it paralyzes Robert's power at all. I just hope that he really doesn't go for the one who deserves it but rather live up to what he said to Alison. That means Jun wins! Although I wanted both of them out the first week. |
Carrie92 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:05 pm     To respond to the topic of this thread: The Jun/Ali thing is HARDLY a disaster. The show is loving this. They know we are pissed off and they love it. They know that the more upset we get the more we will tune in. They know that we know the jury sees only what airs on TV. They know that we wanted certain things we have seen on live feeds to air on TV tonight. They know they can keep us hooked until that happens. It won't. Otherwise, why would anyone tune in for the finale? They know what's on the other networks that night - it will be a ratings bonanza if more people watch BB than the Bachelor or West Wing. I know one thing. I'm watching The Bachelor. I'm ready for some real entertainment. |
Monalisahi | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:53 pm     How about if they had America vote each week for the strongest or best player. Then that person could not be evicted. That way we could keep some strong players in the game, and those trying to "keep under the radar" are not safe. Also would make the hg's compete in each challenge to go for America's vote. Each year we hear talk about so-and-so being the best player because they made it to the final 2, when actually that player has at some point voted for, nominated, or campaigned against the person they viewed as the strongest player in the game. We are left with people who "got by." |
Squidward | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:56 pm     Carrie, I don't think people are tuning in. Only last Wednesday's show placed in the top 20 of the ratings, whereas Tues and Wednesday episode used to both be in the top 20. I missed tonight's show and don't really care. I came here to see who was evicted, although I knew it would be Robert. I am a reality tv addict that loves to tape all my favorite shows, but at this point, I haven't taped BB in two weeks. I knew I wouldn't be home for the show tonight and could have set the vcr, but frankly, I just didn't give a darn. This season was horrible, and the only reason I am here is not because of the show, but because I love this board. The casting people need to be fired. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:04 pm     Bastable said, "Niceguy, the evictions are fair game to show to the jury, and all the HGs know that. It was very shrewd of Alison to reveal that during the eviction. GREAT move--it totally paralyzes Robert's power." I agree Bastable. It was a very good game move to neutralize Rob's supposed threat. (Even though he admitted after that he wouldn't do it.) I'm still surprised that people think Alison is playing emotionally. Far from it, imo. She's been very calculating; as evidenced tonight. Squidward, people are tuning in to BB4. It may not be in the overall top twenty show, but it IS winning (coming in first) it's targeted demographic, 18-30 year olds. The demographic that networks use to set advertising rates. |
Sia | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:00 pm     I haven't had time to read this entire thread, but the first thing I thought of when I read the subject was: first offense (total trash-talking), warn the houseguest; second offense, literally muzzle the hamster for 24 hours; third offense, evict the monster from the house! |
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