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Auntiemike | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:16 am     I agree Katlady. I think Erika will be behind Robert if he is in final 2. |
Kaili | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:17 am     You never know- a lot of the end votes have surprised me. Look at Christy in last year's Survivor- I never, ever would kave thought she would vote for Jenna to win! If they are able to share the right info with each other in the jury house, minds could be changed. |
Kaili | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:19 am     I don't think Robert will be in the final 2. Alison and Jun will take each other. Rob's only chance is to be HOH. And he probably won't be. Jun will probably beat him in round two, and even if she doesn't, Alison will probably beat him in the final round. He hasn't exactly been the strongest competitor in the house, especially in relation to those two. |
Shonda | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:20 am     Erica said that she understood why Ali voted her out. It was self-preservation. Everyone knew that Ali did not stand a chance going against Erica (The Three Stooges and the Originals would all vote for Erica). However, with both Rob and Jun, she actually stood a chance. You also have to remember what Erica knows and what we know are VERY different. If we were Erica we would vote for Rob over Ali. But Erica (not knowing what we know) will vote for Ali over Rob (that 9th inning flirting will not take him as far as he thinks). If we were Erica, we would have a very tough time picking between Jun and Ali. But Erica (not knowing what we know) will feel a closer kinship to Ali. |
Kaili | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:25 am     Unless, forget the flirting campaign of Robert's, Erika just felt that she wanted Robert to have the money because of their new/rekindled friendship. She may care enough to not jeopardize that by giving Alison her vote. Hard to tell. With and Alison/Jun final 2, Alison will 99% have her vote. I'd like to hear what Robert tells her when he gets to the jury house though. |
Shonda | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:35 am     I would so love to be a fly on the wall each and every time someone new walks into the jury house. There is probably as much gossiping and backstabbing happening there than at the BB house. And you may be right about Erica and her old/new feelings for Rob, but I would be surprised if she voted Rob over Ali. Maybe we can count on Justin to cast a vote for Ali .... ;) |
Beruthiel | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:45 am     Missapril, thank you for kindly giving me carte blanche to think what I like. Believe me, I do, and will continue to do so, your comments notwithstanding. Your understanding of the facts differs from mine, and that's your prerogative. Since a post made at 11.03pm yesterday already expounds on the points you disagree with, I suggest that you backtrack and read it, because I decline your invitation to repeat them. I've presented my interpretation already and I have no desire to bore everyone by discussing it any further. |
Bb4ever | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:56 am     I don't agree that Justin would throw his vote to Ali. I think Dana has him just where she wants him, and it wouldn't include a vote for Ali. But then Ali mentioned several times that she will be happy with the $50K, and that will be what she will get...obviously to spend on Donny unless he doesn't want to be a kept man! |
Pengoh | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:02 am     Robert has also agreed to pay Erika $20,000 worth of bills if she wins.. I don't think Ali has said the same ;) Not saying Robert would be true to that, but it could be a motivating factor in making her decision in a rob/ali final |
Earthmother | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:02 am     Am I mistaken or is greed, self-interest and the desire to win not the premis for this whole game? I AM NOT AN ALI SUPPORTER, but she is getting paid to play this game to win...What hardships of others? In this game no one is more deserving than anyone else, and if you manage to beat out everyone then you win. It is survival of the fittest as ugly as that may be sometimes. The only difference I see in Ali and Danielle is that Ali is younger and not quite as smooth with her delivery of nastiness. They both were very good at making their opponents trust them..a skill very few bb contestants have been able to pull off. With both of them "it's all about game!!" |
Buzzelda | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:02 am     I don't know nearly as much as all of you about strategy, motive or intent. I love reading what everyone has to say, though. I don't like Ali. I find her uncouth and grating. Wouldn't want to hang out with her or be around her longer than necessary. My observation, though, is that since the F4, Erica, Robert and Jun have not played a "do or die" game. If you were Robert, wouldn't you have held on to that key until hell froze over. When Alison said to him that she could hold on for another 3 hours, wouldn't you have said, "Babe, if you want to win you will have to do just that." Where's their tenacity and perserverance. |
Shonda | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:25 am     BB4Ever - The crack about Justin was sarcasm at its worst (I thought the wink would give it away). I know, without a doubt, that Justin will not throw his vote to her (not with Dana being his personal cardio trainer). |
Bb4ever | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 08:53 am     Sorry Shonda, just got past me. I am still reeling from the lack of "endurance" in Part 1 from last night. I would hope that Nat wouldn't buckle and give his vote to Ali! He couldn't possibly forgotten how she betrayed him! Just hope his comment last night was from a physical need! Sorry getting away from the topic. |
Justboredwbb4 | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:08 am     To all those who asked if Robert got a deal from Ali before letting go. Ali told Robert something like.... " I am 99% sure I am going to take you, Robert, to the finals. But you realize that is not 100% right" and Robert let go. I am going to try to find her exact quote on the live feeds. OMG Robert.. Why does everyone believe this girl. |
Justboredwbb4 | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:18 am     Ali - can stay for 3 or 4 hours Rob...I'm not going to take J no matter what Ali - you know I don't like her... how about this, if I win the last year...99% I'll take you... that's not a 100% Rob - I'm not asking you to make me a promise, cause I respect how you play...I'm just saying I"m taking you no matter what... I think the last year thing was a typo from the live feed poster. |
Tamalyn | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:20 am     I think Justin will vote for Alison, she has played the game better than rob, and justin does not like jun, justin should not be influenced by Dana, those are not the rules. They know when they vote, that it should be fair, and it would not surprise me if dana voted for ali in the end too, if its ali v rob. i mean rob has not really played the game has he? |
Shonda | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:34 am     Tamalyn - I hope you are right. Not because I want Ali to win, but because I would like for it to come down to who played the better game. Unfortunately, I think Dana was already poisoned Justin against Ali. And if Dana votes for Ali, then I believe everyone needs to get a fur coat, because hell just froze over. Everytime they show Dana watching Ali on the videos, she is rolling her eyes and throwing up her hands. |
Cliotheleo | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:57 am     Yep, just call Dana the "Paradise Hotel Toni" of the BB Jury house. |
Miggles | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:03 am     Robert ought to make it sound like the jury loves Jun and hates him! What Robert could tell Alison is that Jee felt bitter during his final week and said he was disappointed in Robert's lack of contribution to the dream team and that Jee plans to vote for Jun and lobby Justin to vote for Jun as well. Robert should also say that he talked to Erica and could not sway her to ever vote for him over Jun/Alison and that Erica knows that Jack/Nate hate him and will never vote for him. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:04 am     I think if Ali took Robert to F2, Jun would vote for Robert. Jun commented a week or so ago that Robert having a child might tilt in his favor. Of course things do change. Erika would vote for Ali over Jun but I suspect she might indeed give Robert the nod over either Ali or Jun. She has much more chance of getting her bills paid by Robert; he has tons of guilt over his past treatment of her. Now what I wish is that at this point Jun would realize that Ali can no longer call the shots. Jun should bust a$$ to beat Robert in part two and absolutely try to beat Ali in part three. If Jun is HOH, she can call the shots, take Ali to F2, which means Ali cannot vote against Jun on a Jury. And if Jun is HOH, I think then, arguably, she played the best game of all. Robert should feel WAY more played by Ali, since I don't remember Jun promising anything to anyone except to Ali. Jun did agree with Robert and Erika that Ali should go, but Ali winning POV made that impossible anyway. So, that is what I wish for.. Jun to step up and take control. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 10:07 am     Rob HAS been feeding "Jun is strongest; Jun is least deserving" to Ali for a long time, but Jun and Ali both agree that they cannot beat Robert because of his Dream Team connection and being a father.. remember, Robert has won two America's Choice awards and that must make them feel at least one jury member would be swayed by the Elena factor. But Robert has talked about him being the best person to take to F2 to everyone. And, he may be, but they don't know this. Ali and Jun in F2, to me, puts two who have played the game in reach of the big prize. |
Cameramanbob | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 11:02 am     "It is survival of the fittest as ugly as that may be sometimes. The only difference I see in Ali and Danielle is that Ali is younger and not quite as smooth with her delivery of nastiness. They both were very good at making their opponents trust them..a skill very few bb contestants have been able to pull off. With both of them "it's all about game!!"..." I would like to wrestle a little with your take, Earthmother... I think Alison has a strategic method but it is not as cerebral as Danielle's. I think it is safe to say that most viewers of contests are anticipating the pleasure of watching a cleverly crafted ploy. If that doesn't happen - well then, a little rule-bending bad behaviour will tide us over! I feel - at this point - Alison's method of playing the game is disquieting to many viewers but is difficult to pinpoint exactly 'why'. My own version is that Alison is absolutely comfortable and at home in the 'survival of the fittest' strategy. Her skills are very instinctual and well-honed, but more than that, her will to prevail is absolutely striking. I get the feeling (only from this game - I know I have no idea who she really is) that when she really wants something, she goes after it not like it is a pleasureable challenge to be played for fun and prizes, but more like she might lose her Self if she fails. For me her 'persona' or 'mask' in this game is 'bloody in tooth and nail' as the philosopher wrote. "Survival" indeed. It's a game? For me, a little less so at the moment. I do agree that she has broken no game rules, but the rules of human civility now have battle-fatigue! But this may be the best reason of all to create games like this! Personally I'll wait and see what the jury thinks, and go with that. |
Miggles | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 04:30 pm     Yeah, Robert has talked generally about Jun being stronger, but he hasn't gone into specifics. He should just make up stuff about how people hate him and how they told him they are leaning towards voting Jun instead of just leaving it at "Jun is so strong." Jun and Ali have been so good at this in other areas, putting forth a lie and then backing it up with plausible sounding details. |
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