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Chance

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 03:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother and Wood & Bandmom
I agree 1,000,000%. Marcellas was/is the major reason I did not buy the live feeds this year.
He was verrrrrrry cruel and vicious. I only read the live feed posts this year around 1/2 the time due to the never ending nastiness. Nasty sells ...so I have no reason to believe it will get any better.

Watching2

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 03:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFLMAO Wood & Wendo. Wood, when you think of Wendo does it "make you touch it?" Hehehehe

Luvmyjrt

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 03:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Let's put this in perspective: CBS/BB decided to have a battle of wits with each and every player arriving UNARMED! They were all nasty, yes, even Jack (buzzard crotches?), said things they shouldn't have for pure shock value and all had their 15 minutes of fame. IMO -- it's over! We really need to quit celebrating and creating energy around something we all absolutely despised (but had to watch!) You will never convince the "he/she wasn't any more sexist/homophobic/limited in their use of the English language" public anyway. It was all just a really bad dream and JR isn't really dead!

Watching2

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 03:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh and about the topic. Oh yeah, that! :)

Big Brother is supposed to be an exercise in watching people in a contrived environment where a high money prize is thrown in and to see just how low someone will go for money or if someone can be "nice" and actually win. I agree the casting they're doing will turn away a lot more nice people than nasty people. Who wants to sit around and watch everyone being nice to one another? What would there be to discuss? A is far nicer than B! No, I disagree, B is the nicer one!! yadda yadda :) I think you all know what I mean.

That being said, I do think all the factors would come into play, especially being forced to live with strangers you would never choose to live with yourself. Can you hold your head high and take the high road and remain in the game? Or are you going to drop to the level of the other players and say, "It's just a game?" Maybe you might fall somewhere in the middle and people just may say, "Hey they played a good game and were nice MOST of the time."

I must admit, I don't use language like any of them did repeatedly, but sometimes when I get super heated, a nasty word or two may fly from my mouth in the heat of the moment. Would I be embarrassed if someone heard it who I knew would judge me for it? You better believe it! I'd be embarrassed even if they wouldn't judge me if I thought it would offend them in the slightest bit.

Do I think I could make it through 10 wks w/o saying anything bad? Probably not. But I would hope I would have the character to just let some words fly and not make any character assasinations or unfair attacks toward another houseguest and especially, someone in their family.

I really enjoy the psychology of it. It would be far more interesting if they didn't scew the cast so much though.

Gidget

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Living in the house does not cause the nastiness. As much disdain as there is for AS on this board, give him some credit for screening. Only this year he accidentally OD'd on mean.

Several guests are selected for balance and contrast. This year they were like deer in the headlights.

Take some naturally agressive, slightly dysfunctional people and give them $500K to go for. No mystery to me at all.

Monalisahi

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 03:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can somebody point out a few things that Robert did or said (other than the ranting at Jun and Ali) that makes people think he hates women. I seriously never got that impression. Sure, he used the words b@thces, s*uts and wh9res, but so did Ali and she's a feminist....lol.

I honestly saw Robert as somebody with a huge heart. When the girls were down, he was there for them to cry on his shoulder and he would offer words of encouragement to them.

I didn't even like the guy, but I thought he had a big heart and never understood where people say he didn't like women. I do think women confuse him.

Jee, IMO, was the one who didn't like women. Aggravated the devil out of me that he couldn't call Carmen by name, always had to be "my girl," as though she had no identification other than her attachment to him. And the comment that women shouldn't even be educated.

I'm just wondering if there was something I missed with Robert to give people that impression.

Puzzled

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 03:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't help wondering what Curtis from BB1 thought of this group. He was nominated over and over again, but he took the high road.

Vealprince

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 03:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
People expecting civility from this show and its contestants always amaze me. There is NO way to win without this without purposeful deciept somewhere along the road. The cast is a bunch of hypocrits and looked it. Each and every one of them bashed and lied along the way. They ALL made obnoxious comments in the diary room. Their attitude was just sour grapes against those who bested them IN A GAME!

Coffee

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 03:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In the game you do have lie at times to get through however Jun and Ali's worst remarks were when they already knew they were the final 2. That was not part of the game like the rest did.

Jun and Ali trashed Robert and his daughter when they knew there were kicking him out. Ali called Nathan gay the last day in the house and called Jack a pervert the last day in the house as well saying she should have called him a child molester. There were alot more but these are some.

These are just mean, vicious remarks and had nothing to do with the game.

Efilon

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mona, I ask myself the same thing a lot. No, he might not have been the nicest guy there but he was the one who was always encouraging or trying to cheer up a person that needed it.
A few things I can think of
Saying to Justin, come on let's carry this table outside for Jee.
Talking with Erika and apologizing to her for all the things he'd done when they were together.
Talking with Jun when she was lying in the hammock feeling down and worrying about Bob.
Yes, he said some things that made my skin crawl but he did some things that redeemed him in my mind.
Alison and Jun just really didn't ever do anything that made me feel good about them. I'm sure they were sweet and compassionate to others at times. Those times must have been when I wasn't watching feeds or written in posts I missed.

Chippy

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Excellent post, Efilon.
The couple times I thought Ali & Jun did something nice, it turned out they were just kidding as per their own DR confessions. So, I never saw or heard a thing to redeem them.

Woodpecke®

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was just thinking. I wonder what Alison would have called Jason from BB 3?

Earthmother

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG Wood, I'm getting out my Rosory Beads and pretending you didn't ask that question..

Penpoint

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A few comments I feel compelled to make:

1) Monalisahi, I agree with your opinions about Robert.

2) This year's "vileness" was no worse than that from the two previous years. I think we tend to forget about past HGs such as Nicole and the woman who came in second last year (she acted so vile, I've blocked her name from my memory). BB1 was a completely different animal--those HGs didn't know anything about this game--they thought they were suppposed to be nice.

3) Calling someone a Korean or a Cuban is not racist. Unfortunately, Julie Chen made that mistake last night. It has to do with national origin, but it has nothing to do with race. If one were to refer derogatorily to racial characteristics of Koreans or characteristics of one of Cuba's racial groups, that would be racist.

Woodpecke®

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hail Mary full of grace...

Bonzacat

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A Big Brother prayer group, founded by Wood® and Earthmother. Amen!

Woodpecke®

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
2) This year's "vileness" was no worse than that from the two previous years. I think we tend to forget about past HGs such as Nicole and the woman who came in second last year (she acted so vile, I've blocked her name from my memory). Wrongo. The verbal blasting was prevalent throughout the show and continued until the end for no apparent reason. In the cases of Alison and Jun, they trashed not only the houseguests, but family, friends, associates, boyfriends, ethnic heritage, penis size...etc....

Woodpecke®

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amen. May The Peace Of The Board Be With You Always...

Earthmother

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That is the right Wood, and it's been pointed out more than once..What a hg says about another hg I look at as fair game. They knew when they came into that house it was no holds barred. I take complete exception to bringing in none game players used as ammo. This is the first year we have had that happen and I hope it's the last.

Bonzacat

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 04:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why didn't we think of this earlier in the season? We could have prayed for someone's salvation or for the mime to win the 500 Gs...

Brothers and Sisters, we shall pray for good casting in BB5.

Woodpecke®

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 05:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rule One for potential BB 5 players: "Thou Shalt Not Trash Thy Family."

Bonzacat

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 05:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rule Two for potential BB 5 players: "Thou Shalt Not Take The Name of Another Houseguest's Child in Vain."

Earthmother

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 05:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
AMEN!!! Don't make me open a can of Mother Mary on your a**..for pickin' on a kid.

Woodpecke®

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 05:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rule Three: "Thou Shalt Not Have Festering Lesions And Speak Of Them."

Bonzacat

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 05:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rule Four: "Thou Shalt Not Swing Furniture, Wield Cutlery or Drink To Excess."