Archive through September 24, 2003
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Archive through September 24, 2003
Ketchuplover | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:30 pm     Did anyone else get frostbite watching the finale? The good thing is I won't need to use my ac next summer (I taped the show) |
Scorpiomoon | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:32 pm     No kidding! Ouch! It's going to be awhile before these people really take the "it's just a game" mantra to heart. |
Sweetpea1994 | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:38 pm     I agree. Maybe next year the HG's will understand better that playing the game is one thing, but name calling and character assassination is uncalled for. |
Nmbeach | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:39 pm     Just imagine what the party afterwards must be like. I bet Ali didn't even go. She is probably in her room with her only friends--her parents. |
Katlady53 | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:40 pm     Lol Nmbeach! And I thought Danielle had it bad last year! |
Zgoodgirl | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:41 pm     Them pouting and snubbing those two, who beat them at the game, only shows us that they are just as bad and as low as they think Jun and Ali are. It kinda shocked me. I was waiting for them to throw themselves on the floor kicking and screaming! |
Flamingo | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:41 pm     i agree, ouch! |
Puttergirl | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:41 pm     Unfortunately, no lessons will be learned. Rationalization is an amazing thing!!!! Ali and Jun had already decided that they were no worse than anyone else so it was ok! But there will never be enough justification for bashing Robert's child. |
Scorpiomoon | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:43 pm     I agree Sweetpea. You know, the thing that blows my mind is when Erika tried to convince everyone that she wasn't being herself when she made the harsh comments that she did. What a crock. I believe in the theory that we see people's true character when they are most under stress. Who was she kidding? |
Angelbleu | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:43 pm     I don't think it was sour grapes...they could have won that without all the name calling and bashing that they did...no way was that part of the game...that is just an excuse they are using to make themselves feel better about it. Did you hear the two of them bashing when the game was OVER??? That should tell you something... They deserved all the ice they got IMHO |
Spike763 | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:51 pm     I thought that was the BEST show of the season. I know they ALL are guilty of name calling and back-stabbing, but I think that for the finale, we see that these people really do despise each other. Not for for winning or losing, but HOW the game was played. We saw much more respect in the past BB games for the winnners. You all will say, "well they played this way in the previous BB games", but not to this low a level. Jun did feel bad tonight despite winning. Jun stated she listened to the comments more than the votes. She took it to heart. Good for her. Of course it won't last long. Heck, knowing them, they're already probably over it. But I loved the chill..... made the show worth watching. Well Deserved. |
Keiffer | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:58 pm     I thought the best line was from Ali being interviewed at the end. Ali said somthing to the effect that: They all have seen diary room talking... I am sure that once Jun and I get to see them that we will be a bit upset as well. I agree. I think that once all these high and mighty LOSERS are watched through all their DRs by Jun and Ali that it will be seen that Jun and Ali were also called names, talked bad about, and put down. Heck they spent how long "forgiving" each other for the lies and name calling they did to each other? These losers didnt even stop to think that perhaps the winners deserved the same chance that Jack, Erika, and the rest were given. |
Aremid | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:58 pm     Yes, it was very cold in there. Jun just seemed stunned by it all. I think Ali expected it somewhat, but not to that extent. Nate, bless his heart, stood by her and voted for her. I know he hadn't seen the Diary Rooms when he voted, but despite all she'd done, that he DID know about, he gave her a sympathy vote. Jack was a gentlemen. Michelle surprised me a little bit, showed a little spunk when she told them how she felt. I bet that was some wrap party. I'd love to know what was said between Nate and Ali, if anything. I do wish there had been a little more time for the former HGS to talk to the final two though, after they'd seen the DR. I also found Donnie's message interesting. I don't think it will take Jun and Ali long to get over it though. They'll be back to their old selves by morning. |
Sthncmft | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:09 pm     Yes, I agree - the chill was WELL deserved. Jun was a bit flabbergasted at just how icy everyone was, but I'll be willing to bet she forgets the lesson learned when the money hits her bank account. Maybe she can use it for therapy to learn how to be a better person. Yes, everyone at one point or another made harsh comments - however, Jun & Ali took it to a level that showed their true colors. Ali lied to Julie when she said those comments were a strategic part of playing the game - they WEREN'T. The final two still could've gone far, and won, without the vitriol. This was a HORRIBLE BB season. I think it will influence how BB5 will be played...perhaps more confrontation and less back-stabbing because everything will be more open. In the end my favorites will remain friends: Jack and Erica. Jee's final comment summed up the BB4 season perfectly: "I wouldn't be able to sacrifice respect for others to win any kind of money." |
Katlady53 | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:10 pm     I loved Jee's final comment, too! Perfect! |
Keiffer | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:13 pm     PS: I also agree that if the JURY is going to get the watch the all the shows, and get the time to forgive each other, and talk it all out what do the producers think is going to happen? Once they have given each other a pass (because they all have one thing in common... they LOST) they all generate a "group think" that the last two people are now the bad guys. IF the producers are going to set up the jury like this then they ought to give more than 2 minutes for the jury to be brought back into the house. In fact from the previews I thought they would get the chance with the final two to hash things out. I just think that it was WAY unfair of the producers to set up Ali and Jun like that, and it spoiled what should have been a fun show for them. |
Countrymeadow | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:16 pm     And what do you wanna bet that "letter" from Donny may have been fabricated from her parents just so Ali didn't look like a complete fool on national TV? ROFL |
Goddessatlaw | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:20 pm     What Keiffer said. All of it. (OMG, I need a DRANK). |
Keiffer | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:21 pm     You know just sitting here thinking that I was going to sign off for the night, one last thought hit me. From some of these comments from posters just in this thread the posters who posted them from their own arguments would deserve what happened tonight. For example: "She is probably in her room with her only friends--her parents. " "Maybe she can use it for therapy to learn how to be a better person" Just an opinion of mine of course, but I am glad that we do not have to post based on the standards we set for the HG's. |
Fan3 | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:23 pm     maybe someone from cbs dicated it for him..... |
Jimmer | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:37 pm     The juries in previous seasons were able to watch all of the shows before the final. I really got much more satisfaction out of watching some seemingly sincere emotion on the part of the players than if they had acted like they are all in love with each other. It's not a like a football game where the players play hard and respect each other and congratulate the winners. Ali and Jun led the way with their mean-spirited and unnecessary nasty remarks about the other houseguests. The reaction was not sour grapes but very deserved. I did not want Ali and Jun to have a "fun" show and enjoy the ending. Why should they? |
Paisley | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:37 pm     i thought the frostbite was well deserved. The comments made in the house by Ali and June were really vicious. To call Jack a pervert and child molester was really really hitting below the belt. Although I heard Ali say the child molester comment today and i think she WAS just spouting off with that one. She did thou repeatedly call him a pervert, and i think she meant that. I don't think the fact that she is not aware of the seriousness of such an accusation is enough to let her off the hook. I mean at least she desrved a little frostbite for that one. I was dissappointed that Erica alone took the fall for the most un-pc comment televised, when both Ali and June said much much worse than that. I do feel bad for both Ali and June thou because I think they felt pretty stupid. I also agree with Julie that the letter from Donny was very ambiguous. I think he will stay with Ali but wrote the letter that way so he can put whichever meaning on it is required to save face. all in all, i enjoyed the finale and i imagine that on the early show tomorrow the chill will have melted a bit. the mime was awesome....a very nice touch |
Kailas | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:38 pm     Alison and Jun had no reason to be so rude, crude, and vitriolic as they were in the last week when they had nothing to gain. They cannot say that it was strategy this late in the game. That was their true selves showing. They deserved everything that happened tonight. I feel better that we did not have to watch a lot of mindless hugging and fake talk. In fact, this was the most honest episode of the season. Thanks for that, Arnold and Allison!! |
Steveh | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:15 pm     Man, just think if the jury would have seen those 28 minutes from the LF that will live in infamy. What Erica said about Jee was inexcusably nasty, as was Robert's b/w/s blathering, but in Erica's case it happened once that I know of and while Robert did have more than one outburst, those outbursts pale in comparison to the 28 minutes where between the two of 'em, Ali & Jun must have said the f-word over 500 times, usually in reference to one of the other guests. Or Robert's daughter. It seemed to me that they hadn't? They may have just refused to vote for either of them. As it was, the voting seemed very reluctant, as if someone from CBS told them, "Either vote or you don't get your stipend & you find your own way home." LOL |
Carrie92 | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:25 pm     The frostbite was well deserved. Jun at least admitted that her win was bittersweet. Alison is just clueless - she thinks she has done no wrong. But it's not entirely her fault. Her own father justified her bed-hopping. Pathetic. |
Hoosiergirl | Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:25 pm     Anyone notice that Robert couldn't even look at either of them when he came into the house? And I was a little disappointed that he had no words for them about their comments of he and his daughter. He apparently had seen it since he commented on it earlier in the show. I thought this was the best episode of the entire season. Just watching both their faces as the votes were revealed. And Ali's budding realism that she was NOT going to win...by a landslide. Can't wait until both of them rush to the internet to check out their fan sites. (Can we extend the live feeds for that?!) |
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