Prisonerno6 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 04:36 am     We know from the "fan sites" CBS gave the remaining houseguests that someone in production reads this site. What message would you like to get to CBS? Here's mine: Hey CBS! You called Robert on his b!tches, sl^ts, and wh*res comments. You also showed Jun and Ali expressing outrage over the fact that he would call people such names. How about a montage showing their hypocrisy? You know, start off by showing their outrage over his name-calling, and then show them calling Robert a fukcing Cuban fa**ot, or Jack a child molestor, or Erika a b!tch. I mean, you could fill a whole hour show with their invectives and vituperation. Don't use them calling Robert's daughter a b!tch or threatening to destroy the present he made for her. After all, you don't need to stoop as low as they do. There is plenty of other material to pull from to show them engaging in the same behavior they complained about from Robert. |
Kristylovesbb | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 04:48 am     Great idea I would love to see it!! I agree with leaving the comments about Robert's daughter out. |
K9lover1 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 04:53 am     I second that thought. Show all sides and stop editing in favor of one or the other. |
C1mag | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 05:33 am     Morning all! And once that they do this what will it prove? That all three are trash talking socially inept adults and yet one of them will still walk away with half a million dollars? I don't see the point. It's not like the average adult or even child for that matter, hasn't heard all this garbage before. I don't see society holding a town meeting each week to kick any local trash talkers out of their neighborhoods but all of a sudden America is going to be upset at all of this? LMAO!! I've yet to read anywhere where the average viewer thinks anyone playing this game is a saint. In fact, even after Rob was asked about calling the girls these names he still won an AC vote. Theres a message in there somewhere and I thinks it's real clear... NO ONE CARES! Are we suppose to feel sorry for Rob because he personally got nailed? I sure don't. The man has been trashing the female gender since about week 2. Not just these two particular females. If he's getting a dose of his own medicine at this point for calling them these names then perhaps he may not want to tell all of america that he thinks most women are b!tch's because some of them are gonna bite back. These two did just that. Are we STUNNED that some female said she wanted to deck him? I'm not and in some courts of law if a woman did deck a man for calling her these names they wouldn't award the man one penny. They'd say he provoked the response. I'm not so sure what they said would be considered rascist in text either. Robert is indeed a Cuban. He has made that clear. Do we FREAK out because they said he was a Cuban f@ggot? Did the name calling generate because he was a Cuban? These are things to think about before crying rascism. I think it's ironic that a sexist person would be experiencing some form of alleged "ism" ( which I don't feel applys in this case) and that we are to feel some sort of compassion. Before they would call just these girls on calling someone a b!tch or f@ggot they'd have to do a recap of the entire house. Whats even worse is that these girls did attack his adolescent daughter with the word b!tch. However, Dad has been noted as saying that all women are b!tch's so unfortunately his own words suggest that he believes his daughter is indeed that word. Are you beginning to see something here? I'm beginning to think that what some of the "fans" want is to see if Jun and Ali can be humiliated with their own words. I don't think that would happen. rob sure didn't seem humiliated. First, I don't see any racial remarks being made. As I said the man is Cuban. He has let the house know this over and over. Second, all the girls would say is that the man trashed them and the female gender in general so what goes around comes around. I personally don't advocate any of this behavior but if humiliation is what the fans want at this point I don't think these two females would be humiliated. Running a shot of them attacking his daughter does what? Hurts her even more. It was going too far but showing that on TV would only hurt her. Those who said it still walk away with at least 50k. Nothing you can do about that and America in general could care less. If they run it I wouldn't be surprised if they stuck behind their words and simply said, "yeah I said it and I meant it at the time, but I'm not really like that or really feel that way" Thats basically what Robert said and life has went on just fine. The world didn't crack and disappear into a cloud of dust. Relax and just hope that next year a more mature group will approach this thing differently. |
C1mag | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 05:39 am     Now if they did run them saying it you can bet that Arnie would first show him calling them names and then their response to his words. You'd have a portion of America saying, "yeah girls give it to him good" and they'd stick behind what they said with some sort of pride perhaps. They won't run anything about his daughter because they wouldn't want to hurt the childs feelings on TV. I don't think the outcome would be what some had hoped if they do run it. I think the women would be cheered on for calling him names after he called them these names so it's best to let it die. |
Friktion | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 05:43 am     C1: Does that mean that anyone's child can be reviled and/or called names because of the parent's actions? I'll tell you right off the bat, anyone comes after my son for stupidity his father's done and they'll have to go thru ME first. And I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to say that most people would feel the same way. Also, his daughter is not an "adolescent", she's a child of 7! |
Cablejockey | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 05:44 am     The best way to get even with these folks is to ignore them especially when they are out of the house. If nobody walks up to them gushing about their stay on BB, asking for autographs, or showing up for their chat nights; maybe they will be upset or shocked--unfortunately, they will still have varying amounts of money from being on the show. |
C1mag | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 05:50 am     Friktion I don't think there was any call for attacking his daughter at all. Whether a child or adolescent. My point about the comments were that America could care less and lets not freak about it too much. Yes it's wrong however it happens every day and we all know it. Somewhere right now Mrs. Jones is saying that Mrs Smiths daughter is a b!tch. Society didn't turn over in it's grave. What the girls said was wrong, but it would be even worse to give it any air time. In this case the name in general was used by the little girls father and he did say that all women in general were b!tch's. Until he could explain that one away he sure wouldn't be heard to loud if he complained. He basically called her the same thing. These were my points. There is no justification in it but the desire to see these girls "humiliated" for their words would not happen even if they ran it. They would appologize as he did and move on. In fact why would society even freak about it? It happens all the time. I don't see where they have made these two out to be saints. |
Marej | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 05:53 am     I wonder about the hometowns of these 2 girls; are the people PROUD of what venom they spew? |
Eliz87 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 05:56 am     C1mag, I couldn't agree more with what you have posted. I posted something similar in the "Jun and Ali blasted by the press" thread, but I didn't word it as eloquently as you have. Thank you for trying to bring some clearheadedness to this situation. |
C1mag | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 05:58 am     I agree with Cable. If you didn't care for them in the game then avoid them like a disease if you ever run into them on the streets. The only person satisfied in calling someone out on this show is the person who has allowed their comments to hit them personally when they have never met them nor will they touch their life in any way. |
Smokey | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:00 am     C1mag Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 05:55 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Morning all! And once that they do this what will it prove? That all three are trash talking socially inept adults and yet one of them will still walk away with half a million dollars? I don't see the point." Hi C1. Maybe there isn't anything to "prove", but maybe it's more that the people who are outraged about Jun and Ali's mouths just want to see balanced editing instead of the show we saw last night. I think another point that needs to be made is that Robert voluntarily told the girls what he'd said and how Julie called him out about it. He didn't have to tell them and they would never have known until after the show is over. |
C1mag | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:10 am     I mentioned that Smokey about Rob telling them. Ali herself said he should never have told them. I understand the fans desire to see fairness in editing but lets be honest here.... they shouldn't air anything about his daughter. The other stuff they said "might" be praised by some who "might" feel he deserved the name calling. I still think it's more interesting who is actually "outraged" America in general who lets this type of garbage flow daily or some disgruntled internet fans who have allowed these folks into their homes via the internet and they have conjured up personal feelings? One could even test how touchy some are about Jun and Ali by suggesting that when these two pass gas it's the loudest and most foul they have ever heard and smelled. It's not like the internet has not allowed the TV viewer the alternative to read up on the daily events going on in the house and as we know America is connected to the internet. |
Missapril | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:14 am     guess it doesn't matter that ali and jun are someone's daughters, too, huh? there's more hypocrisy on this board than anywhere in the bb house. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:21 am     I think they have been showing some of Ali and Jun vile actions. From the CBS website synopsis for yesterday's show: While Robert answers America's questions about his alcoholism, misogynistic remarks, and constant nose-picking, Jun and Alison enjoy their favorite pastime, slamming Robert and calling America's Choice "Robert's Choice." Anyway - I will not be surprised at all if some of Jun and Ali's viler comments regarding Robert and his daughter aren't shown tonight. They were only made very recently and BB cannot edit new stuff in that quickly. You need to give them a few days. Personally, while I think the comments are vile, I don't really get mad or outraged - I really don't see the point. I feel pity for Jun and Ali that they are so small minded that they attack a child. If I was Elena's mom I wouldn't even feel offended by the comments - I wouldn't take anything folks like Jun & Ali seriously enough to let my emotions get involved. Let CBS show them. |
C1mag | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:22 am     Missapril makes a valid point. We are too feel "outraged" that they called his child a b!tch but it holds less hatred if it's directed towards them? As I said it's sooo ironic that his daughter unfortunately would be called this name because if her dad did complain about it you could preface his own words which clearly state he thinks all woman are indeed that word. Yes, there is some hypocrisy in there. |
Prisonerno6 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:24 am     "America could care less" Last time I checked, I was an American, and I care. Calling someone a fa**ot as an insult is wrong. Accusing someone of being a child molester "as game play" is wrong. Calling all women b!tches, sl^ts, and wh*res is wrong. Calling a 7-year-old child a b!tch is wrong. You're right, this goes on every day in America. It's still wrong. And the only way of changing the fact that it goes on everyday is to point out to people that it's wrong. That's the only chance to get people to think about the harm their words do, whether it's to the person to which those words are directed or to themselves. Yea, I'm outraged at their behavior. I'm even more outraged that in this day and age there are people who think it's just fine. |
C1mag | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:25 am     I can relate to what Gina has stated. I don't feel outraged at all. I went through all the name calling when Robert was on his rampage about women. Didn't care for it but never allowed it to give me any type of "rage" We have all known as die hard fans that their are tow shows with BB. The real one we pay to see daily on the internet and then the edited ratings catcher that Arnie puts together to keep people watching. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:27 am     C1 - to further that idea Before Ali or Jun ever called Elena a B!tch - they wondered aloud how Robert would feel if people called his daughter what he has been calling them. Perhaps it's just payback to them? Still wrong to call Elena that sort of stuff(two wrongs don't make a right) - but I'm trying to understand their logic |
C1mag | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:29 am     I also feel it is not right. However, since you don't live in the environment where it took place then I don't see how you can allow yourself this outrage. If you don't like it you can do something about it... Don't pay to listen to it. From here on out keep your personal environment free from that type of filth if this has really enraged your life. I personally don't really think it has. I think it probably has added fuel to an already unpleasant feeling about this years house guests in general. Lets also be honest. The players in Big Brother are not the poster children for our approach towards society. |
Smokey | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:34 am     Good points, C1, and I especially agree about not showing anything that could possibly hurt his daughter. I have a two myself, and would never want them hurt like that. I just thought last night's show was very imbalanced in what they showed--bringing up Robert's derogatory crap about women again. It could be that us internet fans have heard it so much that it's old news, I don't know. You're right about which fans are feeling what. I know for sure that the TV-only fans see this in an entirely different way. My neighbor taught me that because she's watched all four seasons and just got the feeds for the first time about 4 weeks ago. She said she really sees them differently than she did before. |
C1mag | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:36 am     Gina again I agree. I'm stuck at the same point. It just ironic ( which is an understatement) that the man who refers to all women as b's now has to listen to his daughter being called that. Him being called anything is also ironic because he hasn't just called these two girls those three now famous words. One night he said that when he gets on the talk show circuit he's gonna say that all the women in the house were sk@nks, pigs, and ho's. It's all just ironic. These two women bit back unfortunately. There's nothing right in any of it but the irony is more interesting. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:38 am     CBS brought up 'the derogatory crap' because it was integral to what was going on in the house right now. Jun & Ali just found out about it, it is a frequent topic of their conversation, and it is affecting their opinion about Robert and effecting who they decide to evict. It isn't old news in the BB house. |
C1mag | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:40 am     Smokey I agree. There is no need to hurt his daughter. Thats all that would be accomplished. Perhaps some die hard fans would hope that Jun and Ali would some how be humiliated for being called on it but that wouldn't happen at all and in the end the little girl would be the one hurt. Well, unless she hears her dad calling women this all the time. Who knows? I just think that it's best not to air it and let this year play out and move on. I honestly don't think that average viewer is walking away from the tv show thinking... Jee that Jun and Ali are Golden citizens of our society LOL |
Bastable | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 06:56 am     I find it very ironic that some of the people who are the most disgusted about the language and attitude in the house are the very same people who are begging CBS to put it on the air!! What gives with that? |