"LIttle B***h . . .Cuban F****t," question.
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Doodlebugg | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 10:21 pm     Maybe, just maybe, Julie will chat privately with the new HOH on Wednesday night before the live eviction...just like in prior weeks. That is when Julie confronted Robert on his off color remarks about the women in the house. Let's see Ali back-pedal on that one. |
Carrie92 | Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 10:23 pm     Juiceman, not sure about the incident you are referring to. Didn't see it on any of the live feed posts on this site. However, it was posted here (on LF posts) that Ali did say she would drown Robert in the bathtub if she had to, and that she wanted to crack his skull. That, including the racist and homophobic comments she has made should be aired. I'm on the fence regarding the Elena comments - BB should definitely take the appropriate steps mentioned here if they do plan to air it. What gets me is that she makes these comments so casually. Robert was definitely angry when he said what he said. It took him about 3 hours to calm down after the girls turned on him/Jee and voted out Jack instead of Erika. Ali can be laying on the couch, half-asleep, spewing her filth. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 12:33 am     Doodlebugg, in the past, the third part of the HOH competition ocurred toward the end of the show. After which, the new HOH has to immediately evict the final HG. We then see an interview with said evictee, a final word with the last two, and the show ends. Unless this year follows a different template, I doubt this subject will even come up. Juiceman, I neither saw nor read anything pertaining to any sort of incident where Ali threatened Rob's daughter. I question whether anything like this happened; especially since it wasn't noted here. Carrie, just to clarify, Robert has made comments about women in general when he's not angry too. In the house, he has displayed an over all disdain for women, especially when other men were around for him to talk to. Ali does make many of these negative comments casually. And, I don't think she means them in the literal sense. She seems unable to express her anger appropriately. Instead of saying, I'm mad at him or He upsets me, she says things like, I hate him, I want to crack his skull. It's an inability to express anger in what most people would consider appropriate ways. I honestly do not believe that Ali wants to physically harm anyone or would physically harm someone. From what she's displayed in the house though, she certainly could use anger management classes. |
Bogiesgal | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 01:13 am     I was appalled that Ali called Rob's daughter a . I am appalled that she continues to call homophopic names. I am appalled that she calls Jack a pervert and child molester. I am appalled that Ali has verbally threatened to do harm to Robert. But most of all I am appalled by BB/CBS's refusal to show any of the endless hours of crap these girls have said about Robert. Again on tonight's show Ali & Jun said something about how dare he (Rob) call them names....and not one clip was shown of their 5 day endless spewing some of the most derogatory epethets towards Robert. I am not apologising for Robert - he said horrible things too - but always in the context of loosing an event and within a few hours his anger left. These two pathetic jerks have been doing the same thing nonstop since last week. CBS is determined that Ali is going to win so they only show the "cutsy" annoying things about her. Not the disgusting amoral hateful stuff....If BB does not bring back the jury houseguests for the last week to redeem themselves I will never forgive them. |
Missapril | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 07:53 am     uh, robert has far more often run down the female hgs and women in general in casual conversation than "in the context of loosing an event". Those were few and far between, but his ranting about the inferiority of women, specifically and generally, is evidently one of the only two or three topics of casual conversation both jee and justin noted they'd observed in their time in the house with robert. <dh> |
Monalisahi | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:00 am     Actually, I thought Jee was more of a woman hater than Robert was. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:01 am     Interesting Mona, how so? |
Mel123 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:11 am     The one thing we all have to remember, is that America knows. Look at the two who have never won an America's choice award. When they get out of the house Jun and Ali have a lot of explaining to do. Ali is always talking about decking someone, my bet is she is going to run into someone disliking of her racial slurs, and they will deck her. I am not sticking up for Rob either, his degrading comments are insulting, if they were toward any other women I might be insulted. However, they are towards Ali and Jun, both in my opinion deserve it. They have not had a nice thing to say about anybody, and both think they are better than everyone else in the house. Thank goodness we know better. It just makes me sick to know that they are going to win the money. I always hope that they will pick better people to be on Big Brother every year. No, they get worse! |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:21 am     Hah? They deserve physcial violence?  |
Monalisahi | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:39 am     Clio, wasn't it Jee who said "women shouldn't even be educated" |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:48 am     If he did I missed it. |
Monalisahi | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:26 am     Clio, I caught it in the LF's, I don't know if it was aired or not. They (the Jee 3) were standing in the kitchen fixing something to eat. He made several other comments but that is the main one that sticks out in my mind. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 01:44 pm     Hmm .......... I wonder if that made it into the LF posts, I'd like to read that. |
Lillyross | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 02:23 pm     I think Ali makes those threats because she knows she's safe. One of these days, she'll be out of the house and make that sort of threat to the wrong person and she may get more than she bargained for...I don't know about showing all the threats and name calling on t.v., but I'd love for all the other hgs to hear what Ali said about them...LOL |
Kalekona | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 03:32 pm     wendo <Juiceman, I neither saw nor read anything pertaining to any sort of incident where Ali threatened Rob's daughter. I question whether anything like this happened; especially since it wasn't noted here.> And if it did happen are you going to make excuses for it? <Carrie, just to clarify, Robert has made comments about women in general when he's not angry too. In the house, he has displayed an over all disdain for women, especially when other men were around for him to talk to.> Yes he has a frat house view of things but when confronted he did admit he is wrong to use those words, it is a problem he has and he's trying to correct it. (granted that isn't going to happen in this house but perhaps in real life it will) <Ali does make many of these negative comments casually. And, I don't think she means them in the literal sense. She seems unable to express her anger appropriately. Instead of saying, I'm mad at him or He upsets me, she says things like, I hate him, I want to crack his skull. It's an inability to express anger in what most people would consider appropriate ways.> Ali doesn't mean it but Robert does? |
Steveh | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 05:14 pm     I'm wondering why people are discussing Jee and Robert in a thread that asks a very simple question about a subject that neither of them has the slightest connection to? You may reasonably argue that other hgs have said things equal in vileness to "Cuban f****t," but no other hg (in any season of BB) has called a 7-year old child a b***h or said the equivalent. Whether those guests who used the epithet were REALLY directing it at the child's father is also fodder for another topic. Perhaps at the PSYCHOLOGY TODAY website? Here's the topic head: Is Elena Merely An Object of Transferrance? Me, I'm going to take what was said at face value as I've been often instructed to do by Ali's many defenders here and following that process--I heard Ali (and Jun) refer to the kid and the kid only as a b***h. Period. Why speculate about what was "implied" when we know what was clearly and forcefully and repeatedly expressed? |
Monalisahi | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:12 pm     Clio, I'm trying to remember what they were so upset by at the time to perhaps give you a time reference....it may have been after the Michelle eviction. It was definitely before Justin was evicted, because he was involved in the conversation also. |
Gidget | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:29 pm     Transference in the psychological definition does not at all apply. You cannot transfer feelings about one person on to another. You can only transfer your own feelings about your reality onto another. Perhaps displacement. |
Bondmaiden | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:39 pm     In all of this I haven't heard Jun mentioned along side Ali. Jun called Elena the B word too and Robert a Cuban something. The girls are not excused from dragging Elena into this but neither is Robert or Jee for their anti women views. In defense of little Elena, the girls both better stay out of South Florida which has a huge Cuban communitee. They might take offense, Wouldn't surprise me. |
K9lover1 | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:44 pm     Regarding America's choice Jun said "why him". Duh could it be the majority of people don't like you two? Do you think it will dawn on them. THink not. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 08:52 pm     Kalekona said, "And if it did happen are you going to make excuses for it?" And exactly WHERE have I made excuses for Jun and Ali's comments about Rob and his daughter or their behavior Kale? No where. Trying to understand why they said and the reasons for it in no way condones the behavior. "Ali doesn't mean it but Robert does?" I was specifically referring to comments that implied Ali would hit someone. However, I wasn't clear. I do not think Ali would hit Robert. As far as Robert meaning the things he does, I've never said he has meant it. I've commented on the fact that he does use the words, not that he means them. In fact, I don't think he means them at all. And, now that he's aware of it (as well as those that watch BB and his parents), I think it's something he'll work to change. Steveh said, "Whether those guests who used the epithet were REALLY directing it at the child's father is also fodder for another topic. Perhaps at the PSYCHOLOGY TODAY website? Here's the topic head: Is Elena Merely An Object of Transferrance?" It is a discussion board where one debates in threads such as this one. I'm sure the moderators are able to decide what is and isn't appropriate discussion for threads such as this one. I suppose if one wants control of a thread topic they'd have to run their own board. Anyway, I think all the posts in this thread have been interesting and related to the topic at hand.
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Dram | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:18 pm     I still luv ya K9. I know how disheartening it can be to have things said about the person you are rooting for, however, Ali and Jun did make those comments. I've even seen people try to deny they said it or make an excuse for it. It didn't wash with Erika's comment, nor Roberts so they will each have to live with it. It is out there now for all to see. At least Alison and Jun still have "some" fans. Maybe they will tone it down a little this week. People do have short memories. Not me, but some people... |
Max | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 09:56 pm     I haven't read this whole thread, but I just have to say that I think the fact that CBS made such a point of all the bad things Robert said about the girls while completely ignoring (on the TV version of the show) all the bad stuff Jun and Ali spewed about Robert completely betrays their bias regarding the molding of public opinion about the contestants. I guess they haven't learned yet that we really notice this kind of stuff. Why they chose to repeatedly highlight what Robert said in an angry moment and completely ignore what Jun and Ali said is a mystery to me. The only thing I can think is that Jun and Ali interlaced Elena's name into their diatribes enough that it would have been hard to edit out, and they didn't want to cause her undue pain. Of course, that's a BIG benefit of the doubt to CBS -- one I'm not totally convinced they deserve. |
Pixieduster | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:00 pm     I absolutely think they should show Ali making the Cuban comment on the live show - as well as those made this past week by Jun. Reason? They've got Robert's comments on air, the comment Erika made about Jee on air which mean that they'll be preserved on the DVD's of the season. They've taken Erica's and Robert's most defamatory comments and put them on the show so it's only fitting to show Ali and Jun at their worst. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:59 pm     Dram said, "I've even seen people try to deny they (Jun and Ali) said it or make an excuse for it." I don't think it's really necessary to be negative towards those on the board who are fans of Jun and Ali. Nor those that defend them. Also, the majority of posters here (and in other threads) haven't defended their comments, only have tried to understand why they said them, where they came from, etc. Additionally, I haven't seen anyone on this board deny that Jun and Ali said what they did. Perhaps elsewhere, but not on TVCH. |
Steveh | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 12:37 pm     Yes Wendo, posters here at TVCH have said that Jun (don't know about Ali) didn't really say the things that she has. |
Juiceman | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 01:49 pm     Anyway. I guess Im just one the people that draws the line at Jun and ALisons behavior. Yes - Jack made derogatory comments about Dana's sexuality and Robert uses stupid 'hip hop' catchprases (and a few others said some crap too) but I guess its just my own 'moral meter' but Jun and Alison went too far and stepped over the line. Im not 'attacking' or using it as a way to 'get them' on anything. I honestly cant stand for it anymore. I havent missed an episode of BB since BB1 started (and BBUK for that matter) and suddenly I can not even make myself get interested in this weekends episodes or bother turning on the feeds. I will probably tune in to watch the final hour in the season finale. Even then I just feel .. disapointed now. Sorry but that is the way I feel and those are my standards. |
Murph | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 02:04 pm     For the record, on another site I found a link that you can play a clip of Jun and Ali's remarks regarding Robert and his daughter. If anyone is interested it is the following: If you want to listen.. go here, http://www.mortystv.com/big_brother.shtml Look for where Morty gives a link for "Spread a little sunshine".. it will bring you an audio clip. (scroll down to 11:30AM: Rob Plays his Only Card or under Monday, September 15, 2003: Another Day 9:00PM BE WARNED there is MUCH MUCH MUCH SWEARING.. so do not listen to it with minors in the room..." Enough Said!! |
Sanfranjoshfan | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 04:18 pm     I can't play that file...needs some realplayer update that is "not available" for Mac OSX....anybody got a fix or know how to convert it to something that is cross platform (like interent files should be)? |
Onlyhuman | Friday, September 19, 2003 - 04:34 pm     SFJF, my understanding is that all clips on that site are in Windows Media Player format. I believe that there is a version for Mac OSX, if you don't have it. If you do have it, if Real player was installed AFTER Media Player, it takes over all of the files types. I have had a hard time getting Real Player to let go. What I found was that installing an updated version of Media Player helped me override the Real Player control, if that makes sense. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 02:16 am     When I click that link, it downloads a ".ram" file which is a Realplayer file. It doesn't play in either Realplayer or Windoze Media Player, even after reinstalling Windoze Media Player. Oh well....doesn't matter, since I already don't like or respect them even without hearing that particular evilness! |
Moedog1 | Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 03:28 am     To make your Windows Media Player the default for one or more types of files... Open your Windows Media Player Go to Tools--->Options Hit the tab "Formats" You can select any or all files and WMP will be the program which plays 'em. I just listened to the recording and for the record it was Jun who called Elena a b!+ch. Jun: Elena's butterfly? I'm sorry; that b!+ch is never going to see that butterfly. Alright? Oh, I'm serious. I still can't believe anyone would refer to a seven year old using that term. Pathetic. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 04:32 pm     Moedog - There is no "Tools--->Options" on a Mac...that's a Windows thing. They seem to have created a new codec or something that works in Windows, but have not created a compatible component for the Mac version (neither OS9 or OSX). The file that downloads from that link has a ".ram" extension. The files that are compatible with Windows Media Player for OSX are: File name extensions Windows Media .asf, .asx, .wax, .wm, .wma, .wmd (audio and video only), .wmp, .wmv, .wmx, .wvx |
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