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Seamonkey

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Full name for search could be Alison Kemerer Irwin.. so far I'm getting pageant stuff, not skating.

Seamonkey

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
http://lewistownsentinel.com/news_07013.htm

Story of how close she cut it and left the Pennsylvania pageant in the lurch..

K9lover1

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What I found interesting is the following:
"How do you plan on winning BB4?"
"Not lying, not cheating and not talking behind backs." She sure didn't stick to that theory very long. <mk> Just the sound of her voice is irritating and nasally. And anyone whose boyfriend cheats on them 5 times (that she knows of) and still says she can't wait to marry them should make an appt. with Dr. Zachary IMMEDIATELY.

Seamonkey

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
http://lewistownsentinel.com/news_07043.htm

And how they had to almost sue her, but didn't.

Tobor7

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 08:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh brother! So now we know she has trouble to living up to actual contract obligations.

Cliotheleo

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 08:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No, she gave up one contract that was going to COST her money in favor of one that was going to PAY her money.

Sounds like a smart move to me.

Tobor7

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If she didn't want the first contract, she should not have signed it. (I have a thing against people that pull out of signed contracts.)

R151996

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali's "not lying" strategy has been discussed before. In one of her first aired DRs after the X Factor was revealed, Ali said that her whole strategy went right out the window. A "not lying" strategy is very unrealistic for this game in general anyway.

Unless she pulls a Marcellas (which she won't), Ali is in the F4 so she's doing many things right. And if she makes a final three that includes either Robert or Jun, her chances of winning the $500K are better than Dani's chances last year from the F3 with Jason and Lisa.

K9lover1

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 08:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that ali does appear to have a good chance at winning, but from my viewpoint that is about as sad as Robert winning.

Tobor7

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 08:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Would serve them right. Maybe they will cast better people next year.

Wendo

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 08:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wouldn't say the last article says they were going to sue Alison. The word "sue" is not even there.

Whoami

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 12:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Finally got a little info on Alison's skating career.

I posted a question on the USFSA message board, and someone finally said she never got farther than novice in freestyle, and not very high in dance. They didn't think she ever made it out of regionals.

USFSA Message Board

Now granted, even at the Novice level they do some amazing skills. But, she still didn't go far with it. Maybe that's for the best. Like we really need another Tonya Harding!

Gina8642

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She gave up her title because she couldn't fulfill its obligations. Something she could not have known when she signed it, since CBS contacted her AFTER she started her reign. They never had to sue her or anything close to it. Sounds like Ali was just following CBS's rules and let CBS do the talking for her.

Can we condem people for stuff they are actual guilty of, instead of just making stuff up?

Spear

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison: "I am the biggest floater."

Somehow, that made me think of an annoying t*rd that won't get flushed.

Can't fault her strategy though. Right now, Jun, Erika, and Robert must be seriously thinking of taking Alison to the final two so she has a strong chance to get at least $50K. And she's probably correct in thinking that she has the best chance against Robert so if she manages to pull that off ...

Gina8642

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just thinking it through...

Alison v. Robert
Dana - Robert
Nathan - ??? Hard to say... Maybe Ali, maybe not.
Justin - Robert
Jack - Alison
Jee - Robert
Erika - Alison
Jun - ?? Robert (just because Ali will probably have to betray Jun to get Robert in the end)

Hard to say for certain - but I think Robert has a decent chance against Ali.

I still think Alison's best bet for final two is Jun.

Reichenfan8

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 11:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE for Ali to decide to take Rob to the final two and end up with him beating her. I didn't have too much of a problem with her before (despite all her flirting and her floating back and forth and back and forth and back and forth), but after she played the "im so poor" card, I do not want to see her win.

Cliotheleo

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 11:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"end up with him beating her"

You mean like physcially? :)

Gvandeli

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 10:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Anybody seen CBS's page and Alison's fan rating? It looks like the stock market...way up then way down then way up again! What's up with that?

Busydizzle

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
(I'm not putting this in the fan thread since it warrants discussion from all sides.)

If I have to stand alone, so be it. I'm cheering for Alison all the way! Floating was her strategy and it has worked, plain and simple. If people go on the show to play nice and make friends, they shouldn't be surprised when they don't get to the finals.

I understand that you should be a decent human being since the people kicked off will be voting. However, compare the two "evils": Alison and Robert. Alison lies, but it's in the context of a game where nobody trusts anyone anyways. Then there's Robert who says terrible things about women. "Wh*res, b*tches, and sluts?" That's just out of line.

Nobody in the history of BB has been completely honest and nobody SHOULD be if they're intelligent. I don't understand why we're expecting a Mother Teresa to be on this show, much less to win it. This isn't the real world, it's a TV game show. Lying is practically necessary and I'm sure every contestant realizes that going in. Especially after so many seasons.

Like they say in almost every nomination ceremony, "It's nothing personal, this is a game."

Busydizzle

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 12:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
GO, ALI! I'd love to see her win the veto today. Gotta love a BB house in turmoil. And knowing how she handled her veto speech, we could definitely expect a lot of drama during the eviction. And there's nothing wrong with that. : )

Seamonkey

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 12:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo.. no, the word "sue" wasn't in the article..


Quote:

Metzger's hands were tied most of Thursday, while he waited anxiously for Irwin's resignation - and finally went through the "Big Brother 4" legal department for assistance.

Only then was Metzger able to contact Bell to confirm her participation in the state pageant. A special crowning ceremony will take place this Saturday evening in Metzger's back yard.

Metzger was relieved he did not have to proceed with costly legal action to get Irwin to relinquish the crown.




But they had to go through the BB4 legal dept and were relieved that they didn't have to proceed with legal action.. sound sort of like not having to sue her to get her to relinquish her crown..

As for Ali following CBS' rules.. no one said she didn't follow them, what she didn't follow, presumably, was the rules of the pageant organization and the contract she had with them.

Gidget

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is all Nathan's fault. If he had been thinking with his teeny weeny brain, instead of his sexual organ, Ali would be home watching this play out on TV.

Instead, it looks like <> will be taking home money.

I am so disheartened. I could take a win by anyone BUT her. The girl disgusts me and I have seen more than I ever hope to see again.

cw

Avrey258

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So Alison calling Erika a s!ut and Jun a B!tch many times is O.K.? She will actually speak with one houseguest and turn around and call them NASTY and VILE things. What makes it worse is that she doesn't have to do this. That is what is so baffling to me. If she were speaking about Dana then that is one thing. We all know that there was no love lost between those two.
It is not even necessary for her to say the things she does. I guarantee that when these houseguests see these shows that they will be disgusted by her, like Michelle and David have already alluded to since leaving.

Also, calling Jack a pervert? What did the man ever do to her? Nothing. Dream on Alison. I think she is going to be in for a RUDE awakening when she leaves the house.

Lostintheglades

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 01:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol Gidget....I had to quit posting the LFP's....I really want to hit something right now.
Erika is trying so hard to lighten things up right now. Talking about wanting a movie...anything. Ali's "I'm all that" attitude right now is a bit more than I can take. I'm tired of watching her watch herself in anything that remotely looks like a mirror I could just puke. Ok...I feel better now.

Lori

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do not like Ali at all. Her "floater" strategy most likely is the way she lives her life. It comes very easily to her. Can you imagine having her as a friend? LOL who needs enemies!