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Eliz87

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow, I was gone last night and looked what I missed! The thread title reminded me immediately of the Michael Moore Academy Award acceptance speech..."fictional" this, and "fictional" that.

Anyway, I'm very sorry you and others feel this way, Juiceman. I think that ALL posters here get a fair chance at posting their opinions. It's so nice to be able to post to a board where children and child-like people aren't flaming posts left and right.

I post an average amount (maybe a little below average) and have been here since BB1 and have only been modded once to my knowledge, and that wasn't even in the BB thread. Although, come to think of it, I usually agree with Bastable and Wendo, and think that Woodpecker is hilarious so maybe that gives me an edge...JUST KIDDING!

Please don't leave, Juice. I'm sure anything that has happened with your posts must have been a complete coincidence, or perhaps you could just ask the mods via e-mail precisely why some of your posts are being modded. I can't speak for the mods, of course, but I'm sure the last thing they want is for people to leave this board!

Demsome

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think when people start bashing other posters the moderation is fine. I think bashing houseguests should be allowed... within reason. I have been moderated but not for bashing just for responding to a fellow posters comment. And it was on topic and was not bashing. I still don't know why it was removed. It annoyed me at the time cause I couldn't figure out why. But whatever.I have noticed some posts are allowed and others aren't and have never figured out why.

Spike763

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think questionable posts should be voted upon by the community to stay or leave. That way it is not one person's judgement or opinion to determine if it is "right" or not. We know that opinions are like a$$holes, we've all got one and they all stink.
I personally spend more of my time in "another" forum that does not discriminate as harshly. When I wish to speak my mind, they let me. Nothing against you guys, but I don't like to be policed when stating my opinion, as RIGHT as it is.

Needmylifeback

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I come back from one night of Reality of my own...and I missed all the excitement! But, I almost choked on my watermellon (the last of the season) this morning reading it all...now I have to take DS to school! THANKS FOR THE LAUGHS!

Earthmother

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow!!! someone started a party and forgot to tell me what time to show up..let us not forget Woodpecker always touches it, and he will use any excuse.

Juice (if you are still around)everyone loves a good debate, and yes some actually take every opportunity to turn it into a battle, then cry foul when the going gets tough.

Just last week many of us were modded, not for what we said but for responding to the baiter. That person's posts were removed and so were the responses (and there were many).

I have never felt there was an elite group who are given special liberties here, (there better not be), but I know what you mean when you say it appears that way.

There are some posters who have a special skill that allows them to be rude and patronizing before you know you've been slammed...BUT MOST OF US KNOW WHO THEY ARE and will turn their threads into a joke or lovefest, Or we make a point of responding to them in an "oh so sweet" way or find words that can hopefully shut them up. They tend to generalize their comments but you know who they are talking to and when you hit a nerve they usually get modded. They usually then start trolling around the boards looking for you..lol

Squaredsc

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
on a serious tip (and yes there are moments when even i can be serious), i think some of you all have a legitimate beef but it should be taken up with the mods. and as was mentioned before when you do have questions about what's going on you can email them. and they actually do respond. god knows ive been modded plenty of times, some i take personally and some i don't. but if i do have a problem with what was modded ive always just asked them what was up and ive always gotten a response.

ok my serious time is over.

Philamom

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Darn ... miss one night and look what happens.

I've been coming here for 4 years, and I've personally never been modded. OMG ... does that mean I'm one of the favorites?? Oh, goody!! I'll have to dig out my old decoder ring so I can send secret messages to the rest of the in crowd.

On a serious note, I'm having some trouble relating to all of this. (And I don't post that often -- I probably fall into the medium-poster category.) I'm not trying to say that some of you don't have valid complaints, but rather that I've never had a problem. I respectfully give my point of view, then move on. I don't get bent out of shape if someone doesn't agree with me or doesn't like what I've said.

Secret message for the in crowd: A8*N N*AJ *N Y7J4A.

Grannyg

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<granny stops in to see if square is really being serious and to make sure she gets over it quickly!!>

Squaredsc

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<im over it now granny, thx for looking after me, you know i need you to keep doing that>

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok. I am going to give an example of how a person gets "modded". This may be what Juiceman is trying to say. Ready? Here goes. "Ali says she doesn't care about this game anymore. It's over and the cast can lick her a** crack...twice for that matter." A poster sees this and says: "She's a stupid pig, she has no couth, she's vile, disgusting and rude." Another poster says: "She lives under circumstances that make her utter things she would never say under normal conditions. It's just a joke. She shouldn't have said it, but I can understand why she did. Anybody that criticizes this should just find another show to watch." There you have it. Poster #1 gets deleted and poster #2 laughs at the result.

Bonzacat

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No graphics, I'll try to be serious for a moment...

I believe that all posters have an equal chance here at TVCH, and I believe that if one attempts to play by the rules their posts manage to live long and meaningful lives. I also believe, and have learned through doing, that it's easy to cross the line and be modded when you are in a hurry to make your point. Wow, is it easy to phrase your words in a way that is, well, mod-worthy!

Juice, I hope you'll reconsider your exit. TVCH is an interesting place to play and you will be missed if you leave.

Wendo, Batman took a short break but if this thread lives, lookout for a fun Afterparty tonight!

Chiparock, LOL LOL LOL.

And, oh, shit... I can't resist:

raid2

Crazydog

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I tend to agree with Demsome and Spike, I have no problem with moderation when posters are bashing other posters. But I'm not really sure where the line is on bashing houseguests. These people have chosen to put themselves in the public eye and thus in my mind they invite commentary, good or bad.

I remember seeing someone get modded for saying that Roddy's lips were so thin it looked like he had no lips. I've gotten modded for saying that Evan Marriott is dumb as a box of rocks. For saying I thought Kent was sanctimonious. As well as countless other harmless comments. I'm not really sure what the problem is.

It seems to me that the reasons for moderation are always given as "these people have family members who may be reading the boards". It doesn't really make sense to me, but that's why I do spend a lot of time at other boards where I can feel free to comment at will.

I don't think it's right that I have to "hold back" when I am here at this board, but I am a guest of this board, and if I want to post here I have to abide by the rules. I don't necessarily agree with the rules, but as I said that's why I frequent other boards as well.

Smokey

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Way to go, Wood! That's exactly my experience with a couple posters (who I choose to leave nameless). I don't so much see a problem with the mods--more with a few posters who tend to bait people. I don't even think they would feel they were baiting, but maybe more feel that they are correcting the other poster.

I've had this happen a lot. There's even one or two that it feels like they stalk me to correct me or call me out on anything I say, in a very condescending way. I do what Earthmother says (for the most part) and either answer sweetly or just plain ignore. It's the best I can do without freaking out over it. LOL

Crazydog

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, the other explanation of moderation I've seen is that you can't criticize a person, but you can criticize their behavior.

So if that's right, you can't say "Alison is the biggest jerk on the planet, what a vile person" but you CAN say "Alison is behaving like a jerk, her attitude is very vile"? I don't see the difference. Both posts to me communicate the fact that the poster thinks Alison is a vile jerk. It's semantics.

Lancecrossfire

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazy, it is more than semantics. We will use you as the example. Let's say I see you make a mistake--in an area well within your knowledge and abilities.

If I say you make a stupid mistake, I'm talking about what you did at that moment. I'm not talking about you, the person.

If I say you are stupid, I'm judging you as a person based on the fact you made a mistake.

You may very well be a very intelligent person who just happened to make a mistake.

That is not semantics.

Puzzled

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that it's semantics.

But if you say that Ali is "behaving" like a vile jerk, it leaves open the possiblity that she isn't on, just acting like that on this particular occasion. Of course, if someone says I'm behaving like a vile jerk, I'm just as offended. Oh, well.

Spunky

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm late too, I was away... and no one noticed!!!!!

Well, now that I'm here watch this thread vaporize...

Don't feel bad Juice, I've got a couple of posts... no threads, poofed as well.

Or maybe they'll let me have the last word :)

Prisonerno6

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Golly, I get a real life* for one night and look what I miss.

I don't know if some people get special treatment or if they've just learned through experience exactly how close they can get to the moderation line. I've seen some things get modded from one person while getting through from others, when they seem to be expressing the same thought. I agree with Crazy that it seems to be a matter of semantics -- simile is accepted but metaphor is not. :) I also agree with Earthmother. Often the best reaction when someone is trying to poke you is to ignore them.

*Went to see The Order last night. It was...odd. One of the last lines uttered by Heath Ledger's character was "I finally understand." More than one of the seven people in the audience said essentially, "I'm glad someone does." We're all waiting for the sequel...

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 09:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
To summarize, we are all commenting on a show where the players can say just about anything, while the posters MUST give the players the respect they deserve as participants on a game show; the main reason being that the players are under conditions we cannot fathom and their comments are influenced by factors that make their statements inflammatory and understandable.

Moderator

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
From a moderator point of view:

You all are right, in some ways it is subjective. We can't hear your tone of voice, we may not get your joke, we miss some subtleties perhaps. Sometimes we're trying to scan a lot of material in a small amount of time, and we miss things too.

Try to remember that this a *fan* club, which is part of the reason that we don't allow excessive bashing of contestants. There are plenty of places out there where you can flame them to your heart's content. Our niche is a place that you have to try to be more civil.

In my opinion, it's not semantics, it is the difference between calling someone a name, and calling them on their behavior. I'm not an a&&hole, but sometimes I act like one. Maybe it's an arbitrary designation, but it's the one we've decided works best for here, to try to have some kind of guidelines to follow in moderating the site.

We really don't play favorites. Most of the time when I'm reading thru posts, I don't even notice the names, except in retrospect. And because there are more than one of us, often in grey areas we consult each other about how to handle a particular situation.

So there you have it! No conspiracies, no favoritism, we're just human beings doing the best they can (albeit imperfect) to help out here. I hope you all will try to keep it in perspective that way. If you do get moderated, write us and we'll try to get back to you as quickly as we can (which isn't always all that quick!). But also try to move on. Reframe your post another way, or review the rules to see if you can figure it out. We're not trying to drive anyone away, just trying to do our part for TVCH.

ModK

Steveh

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't been here that long, but I'd just like to weigh in and say that I feel Juiceman is mostly correct. In my few weeks here I have often felt many of the things expressed in his post (not necessarily agreeing about all of the names he named in a subsequent post) & I have noticed many deletions lately that can't all be explained away through technical problems.

I had a topic post deleted a few days ago and when I questioned the mods about it they did quickly respond but it was to say that not one word in my post was outside the guidelines but they (TVCH PTB) were anticipating bad responses so they deleted the thread. My response to that is that by deleting the thread the mods are pandering to TVCH's lowest common denominator and when you start doing that at a message board or anywhere else, nothing good can come from it. JMO

Bob2112

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<...votes for more pandering by the mods...>

Squaredsc

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<shaking my head at evil twin bob...>

Catfat

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was modded for saying that Andrew (from Survivor) had called Ryan S. a "limp noodle" and therefore I didn't like Andrew anymore.
I think that was really so unnecessary for Andrew to do and that I should not have been deleted for saying so.
I think what a lot of us object to is that moderating seems to be uneven, some mods are heavy-handed and some let things slide by.
However, I do appreciate being on a board that is relatively flame free, and especially doesn't allow filthy language.

Wendo

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker, so you don't feel ignored *wink*, good points in your 9:31am post! *bashes eyelashes*

I agree with Lancecrossfire, it is not semantics. It's commenting on a specific action or incident rather than commenting on the person as a whole. IMO, there's a big difference between the two.

Saying one is acting like a jerk is referring to a specific time and place (even if that time is spread over 3 months.) Calling someone a jerk implies that the person is jerk all the time. Since we don't know the people outside of the time and place we see them, imo, it's a blanket judgement that's not appropriate. (I should add, this applies to this board, TVCH. There are other boards where such distinctions aren't required.)