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C1mag

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Those that are offended by Ali are forgetting that the house has allowed her behavior. There's a reason for it. You don't want to cause a problem with an encounter because you never know if that person will boot you if they are in control and the second thing is that if you can push that persons buttons then perhaps at the end of the game you can sucker the jury into believing you played a cleaner game than the person who popped off at the mouth. I think Jun is aware of this and thats why she stirred the pot amongst the house. She brought out the worst in everyone to keep it going. Nate saw what Jun was doing and it irritated him but privately he wished he could have been in that position. I think this year though that the outcome is gonna be different. I think this group of people are going to award the large money to Ali no matter who she is sitting next too. This house did see this as a game first and she was right up front in their faces when it came to protecting herself in the game. All the other fluff that seems to irritate people watching it isn't going to matter in the end to them. Well to Dana it will but ask Dana who beat her in the game and she would have to admit Ali personally walked her to the door.

Charvie

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Welp, Alison has played the game like no other and I pray no other ever will. But, if she wins than that is how the cookie crumbles. I just hope there won't be anyone trying to do one better or even come close to what she has done in this game to get to where she is in it.

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison will not be winning the big $$$$$. Zero chance.

Wendo

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dram, I do believe Dani used some choice words such as s!ut when talking about Amy. (And, there was that whole lack of underwear bruhaha.

Woodpecker, yes, modern toys. Exactly. I'm cool with a "Donny" and friends, as long as they wait on me hand and foot. Gotta get something out of it.

(On a side note: I did not understand your side note.)

Mkcantjump

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
God Bless you C1.

C1mag

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well Charvie she played every hand based on the rules. The badmouthing was encouraged and if you think about it she'd be in a much tougher position right now if she didn't have that badmouthing to fall back on. These other two ( Rob/Jun) wouldn't be thinking that Ali is the one to take to the finals cause everyone "dislikes" her so much.

I hope that next year the same type of player will emerge as a front runner for the prize because they dare to play the game. This girl did it all. Made alliances and broke them. Dared to save herslef multiple times by actually winning things even though it made her look very competitive. She knew how to save herself when she wasn't even in control of her destiny. The badmouthing and bashing has only made it easier to take her to the finals thinking the others will vote based on emotion and lets face something. If Ali wasn't in this game still I doubt some would still be watching.

So lets hope they bring in a whole house load of Alis next year and let the fur fall. What a concept. No coattail riders. Just a whole house who will play it out to the end and not worry about anything they say because they are aware that the entire house has engaged in the bashing, trashing and foul talk.

Chiparock

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would like Ali but for one particularly repugnant trait that she displays in the diary room, which is the tendency to gloat over whatever "victory" she achieves, whether it be a competition or getting the better of someone in other ways. The "nyah, nyah" syndrome annoys me no end.

Wendo

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, a voice 'o reason. I will watch the master.

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
(Side note wasn't directed at you, Wendo. You've never whined about anybody posts).

Wendo

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Awe Charvie. Here I responded to your response and I get nothing back. Nuthin'. *sniff*




ps. why is the quad cam not a quad cam???

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I will take side bets for those who are rooting for an impossible Alison victory. 2-1 payoff. Imaginary, of course. I don't think T.V. Clubhouse allows betting.

C1mag

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chip I agree the gloating is annoying but put yourself in their position. The DR is a safe heaven to them. At a certain point you forget it's going to be edited for TV and you are to let yourself go as if you are letting someone into your mind. I know if I had saved myself from eviction in a game that I had played real hard I'd be in that room pumping myself up as well. We all gloat but we do it privately and the DR is suppose to be private.

Busydizzle

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Isn't whining about whining about posts the same as whining about posts? : P

Bondmaiden

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1, where were you earlier this evening when the Ali haters were ripping me apart?LoL

Wendo

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ah. See, I knew I didn't get it Wood. LOL!

Chiparock, see, now I'm not bothered by Ali's pleasure in winning things. She worked hard for them and is proud of herself. I mean, to be honest, when I played Lacrosse and we won a game, we weren't sitting there talking about how the other team lost on the bus trip home; rather, we were pumped up about our win and enjoying our success. Dare I say, gloating. (In the bus, not in front of the other team.)

Remember, Ali isn't gloating in front of the other HG's but in the privacy of the diary room. IMO, perfectly acceptable.

Fan3

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
my 2 cents worth her popularity started going down when she treated Nat after he saved her, I know this is true for me up until then I liked her but how can you like someone when they stab their "brother" in the back? she just seems to get worse and worse. and another thing Erica ask her point blankly about 2 hours before live show please if you are going to evict me let me know so I can wear something pretty. pure meaniness if you ask me.

Wendo

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bondmaiden, I believe C1mag said he had just come home from work a bit ago. So, I guess work. LOL!

Wendo

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fan3, they're technically not allowed to tell the person they're evicting them. Additionally, it's possible that Ali didn't know what she was going to do up until that moment. Her diary rooms before the live show indicated that.

C1mag

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood I'd take on a side bet for the fun of it. I definitely think Ali can beat Jun. Nate, Jack, Erika, Justin, and Rob will all vote for Ali over Jun. Dana is not going to talk anyone into voting her way simply based on hatred. Justin is a cool guy when it comes to being honest. Ask him who played the hardest and he will say Ali played it the hardest no matter how much you despise her as a person.

Ali against Rob would be interesting. I think Jun would be the swing vote and I think she would give it to Ali based on the realization that Ali actaully played the game from beginning to end and saved herslef many times throughout. So in this sceanario Erika, Jack, Nate, and Jun would give Ali the bigger money. The only reason Justin wouldn't vote for Ali over Rob is because the dreamteam promised each other they would vote for one another in the end and he keeps his promises.

So yeah I will take a side bet. I think she is going to win the whole thing. This group isn't hitting me as a bunch of sore losers.

Fan3

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali not know what she was going to do???????? okay if you say so. she still could have said Erica you don't look so good in that outfit, I must have saw different Diary room session because she made it plain in the ones I saw she was going to vote Erica out.

Charvie

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh wendo I'm sorry. I thought I kind of did, but I didn't directly because I don't disagree with your post in general. I think bashing is horrible. But, I can't stand ALison and to me she is the worst. Also I realize we have some differing views and I respect your opinion and so I am not big on battling back and forth. I'd rather respectively disagree than risk offending anyone. But don't think I didn't pay attention or read or like it I did immensely.

Bondmaiden

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to get some sleep. Good night C1 and Wendo, please hold the fort.

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So, you're saying that if they vote for Jun or Robert, they are a "bunch of sore losers"? A stretch at best.

C1mag

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nate her brother? Uh this is a game and she had never met Nate before the show. She owed no one nothing except herslef. She made a move that helped her not Nate. She got rid of the person that would target her and in the process got safety from a person that wanted her gone the week prior. Excellent game move. She wasn't there to protect Nate and make sure he won any money. People forget this isn't about holding someones hand. Your gonna have to get dirty and keep yourself as number one. Nate was too much of a target and she needed to look out after herself. Af far as not telling Erika she was the one going you can't really fault her for that as well. They encourage them not to discuss how they will be voting on eviction day. Erika isn't a child. She should dress nice every week while on tv live. She simply wanted to know if she was going and Ali decided not to have to pull out the emotion wheel a couple of hours in advance. Erika was the best choice to evict and she did it without a lot of drama and hours of crying and anger in advance.

Busydizzle

Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood, the way I took the "sore losers" comment was this: The reason that most people give for thinking Ali won't win is that she ticked off the HG's. I think that C1 was just saying that some of the HG's might give Ali credit for beating them in the game rather than just being bitter.