Best and Worst BB4 Game Moves So Far...?
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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Best and Worst BB4 Game Moves So Far...?

Pantageas

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just skimming the live feeds and saw a comment between Nate and Jack, almost regretting how cocky they were during Week 1. I'm curious to see what everyone else thinks the best and worst moves so far in the game have been. My choices:

Worst Move" The 'Elite 8' - do the players in these kind of games ever stop to think about what they do BEFORE they do it? People, the top 8 finalists don't win SQUAT. Only the last 2, and the big winner is decided by popular vote of... THE EVICTEES! And by creating a group of 8, you IMMEDIATELY create an opposing alliance of 5. If you do the math on that in the way HOH competitions, nominations and voting breaks down - the odds aren't that great.

Honorable Mention(Worst) - Jee's nomination - You KNEW that the originals had an alliance. You KNEW they outnumbered you. You KNEW they planned to evict the "Xs" first. So when it comes time to plan someone's demise, you give the majority the choice of someone they already allied with(Erika), or someone they planned to eliminate anyway(Michelle)? Not only that, Michelle had the potential to be an ally of YOURS...! Foolish, foolish little man...

Best Moves(Tie) - Dana's Nominations - Seems odd to call these two seeemingly diametrically opposed moves a tie, but they were BOTH excellent in key respects. Dana realized that the rest of the 'originals' were going to eliminate her as soon as possible(after assuring the demise of the Xs). Dana turned on that alliance in hope of getting better numbers for her finish. She just shouldn't have let her wishes get as personal and as OBVIOUS as they did. If she hadn't, she might not have had to deal with...

(Tie) Allison's Nominations - The only player with Allison high on their radar was Dana. Allison put Dana up against a co-nominee who would garner no more than EQUAL the number of votes for/against; ensuring that Allison gets to decide who goes. Nominate one of the J3, and the other 'originals' may decide that Dana is a better choice to remain(leaving Allison at risk). Instead, Allison is making personal inroads w/J3, is still in with what's left of the 'originals'(because they DESPERATELY need her), is eliminating her biggest threat, and only had to lose the support of Jun, who she knew was playing the field anyway. Well done!

Muse

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Worst move: Jee's nominations. They showed that he had no real read on the house. He eliminated someone who wasn't really a threat.

Honorable mention (worst move): Everyone badmouthing Dana. People should realize that trashtalking tends to get back to people. Dana, who acts on emotion, could have been manipulated for some time if they hadn't hurt her feelings. If it wasn't for her personal grudge against Ali, I think she would have nominated two of the stooges.

Best move: Alison's nominations. She's removing the biggest threat to her (Dana, who will never forgive), while building in-roads with the stooges. She will most likely be safe next week, no matter who wins HOH.

(I don't think Dana's nominations were that great -- she is gone this week because of them. It would have been smarter to nominate Alison/Nathan, rather than using a decoy.)

Bohawkins

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Best move - Jee's nominations. His not understanding the original 8 alliance allowed him to nominate Michelle. The subsequent breakdown of the original 8 was inevitable with Dana being targeted already. Michelle as one of the blondes was already being groomed as a Nathan minion. Getting Michelle out served to eliminate a very strong future combination.

When Jee wins this, getting rid of Michelle will be seen as the pivotal move.

Worst move - Alison's nominations. Dana was a throw away. She would have been gone eventually, because she was an eventual target of the Jee3 group as well as Jack and Nathan. She should have used her nominations to break up Jee3. She wasted what could have been a strategic move.

Lurknomore

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Worst move I think is easy...the original alliance of 8 made by people who had known each other for about 30 seconds. People choose their sides WAY too soon. They needed to size up other HG's, find out who they liked and didn't, who they could work with and TRUST, not just jump into their main strategy based on knowing folks for 30 seconds.

So far I think the best move is the G3. They have a SOLID alliance based on trust even and some genuine liking of each other. I feel confident they are not going to backstab each other. Which is why it is SO important that they break this group up.

Funny thing is I was debating if I wanted to go into what I thought the major bad moves were but decided it was too LONG a list...whereas for the good moves way too SHORT a list.

If only the gave Jack some intelligent people to work with he. I may never forgive Dana's stupid move that resulted in Dave leaving because he not only was fun, but I always said knew just what was going on (and his exit interviews proved that) and I think he and Jack would have been great fun to watch. So to me Dana made a huge mistake not only for ruining the game as I wanted to see it, but if she stuck with her original alliance and didn't flip flop I HIGHLY doubt she would be leaving this week. Ironic but true. But IMHO she's played this game ONLY based on emotions not smarts. That never works.

Whit4you

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Worst move IMO was the stooges not practicing non-stop for this last HOH, they needed it, and if one of them doesn't win BB4 it's because of that blunder.

Zachsmom

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Worst Move- BB for putting together a cast with X's. Think of how different the dynamics of the game would have been if the X Factor wasn't in place. I am sure that there would have been 10 different HGs if there wasn't an X factor. It is my belief that the 10 who have X's in the house were only chosen because they had X's willing to go in.

Best Move- As much as I hate to admit it, I think Ali made a good move by putting up Dana (her biggest threat) and Jun. She ensured that Dana would leave.

Johnnydollar

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I just heard Nate telling Jack all about Ali's plans to ally herself with the "three stooges" to put up Nate and Jack. I don't know if that's a good move or bad, but once you make such a deal, letting it slip out the next day is one of the WORST things you can do.

Rainwoman

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Worst game move - Everything Dana did. She ruiened everything for herself by betraying both sides of the house, and running her mouth to where nobody trusted her anymore. Her fatal mistake was not putting up Alison and Nathan together. Lastly, Dana's relationship with Justin. When are players going to understand that you become an instant target when you become boyfriend/girlfriend with someone in the house?

Best game move - Jun's secret alliance with Jee. Jun is playing the best game, because she is quiet, smart, and weak in the competitions. Nobody sees her as an obvious threat, which is why she is dangerous.

Whit4you

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zack's I hated the X Factor idea at first, especially the fact they didn't have an even # and that the first group had a chance to make an alliance first. Should have been equal #'s in my opinion and each group would think they were first. I do hope they don't ever do this x factor again, but it has turned out really intersting and dramatic this year, since the first group of 8 splintered off so quickly etc.

Justshirley

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I simply do not understand those who say Alison's nominations were a bad move, unless they are saying that they were bad for her alliance, as opposed to bad for Alison's OWN furtherance in the game.

Alison is the only person in that house right now who has NO chance of "immunity" next week, since she is ineligible for HoH. She needed to make her nominations with that in mind, and keep around the people who had the least intention of putting her up if they won HoH.

If Dana stayed in the house and she or one of her minions won HoH, you KNOW that she would rectify what she considers to be her biggest mistake in the game and would nominate Alison and Nathan. If Nathan wins veto, Ali knows she would be gone.

Ali has made a deal with the 3 Stooges that they will not put her up next week (they will nominate Nate and Erika/Jack). Jack, Erika and Nate are hell-bent on nominating Justin and one of the other Stooges if they win HoH. That leaves only Jun as a possible threat to nominate Ali, and chances are that Jun has no intention of becoming HoH for at least a few more weeks.

I am no fan of Ali, but I do believe that she did what absolutely had to be done this week to insure her own safety. It pains me to say it, but I've quite admired the way she has handled herself as HoH.

Sasman

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Worst Move: tie between me ordering the live feeds and the elite 8 alliance - who in the right minds makes a pact with people they do not know. Stupid, stupid, stupid me and them.

Best move: Jack laying low & flying under the radar. That man did not spend 30 yrs. in the FBI without learning how to handle a bunch of mostly immature genxers.

Maris

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Worst Moves:

Dana not putting up Nathan and Alison
Nathan not putting up Jee and Justin
Scott revealing his little problem on the internet
Amanda, not having better judgement the night before eviction
Alison not having better judgement the night before Daves Eviction

Best Moves:

Alison ensuring that she keeps Nathan and Justin apart and suspicious of each other and then playing up to each of them.

Justshirley

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Amanda, not having better judgement the night before eviction
Alison not having better judgement the night before Daves Eviction "

Another swipe at the "loose morals" of the women, and again, no mention of Dave.

I know I just woke up from a nap -- didn't realize I woke up in 1953.

Maris

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 01:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wasnt saying they had loose morals I said they exercised poor judgement. Alison because she just yesterday was saying what was I thinking. I never even connected the thought that they were loose women. She is crying about her boyfriend Donny not forgiving her. I think if she had a boyfriend on the outside that she really wanted to keep well the thing to do was not to fool around with a ton of cameras down on you.

Amanda, I said it because she seemed clearly embarrassed and she showed poor judgement because David was just a party boy and two weeks later was jumping on the next girl Alison. I think Amanda's choice of men leave a lot to be desired if you look at Scott and David. It isnt so much about what she did as it is about who she did it with.

So it isnt 1953, and it isnt about loose morals of women. Its about what I consider to be stupid moves.

Pantageas

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 05:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually Maris, I think Nathan's nominations were fine:

1) He didn't know yet how any of the 'Xs' would fare in the game, but still managed to pick two of them.

2) His nominations/speech was so innocuous, he didn't even seem to upset anyone('cept Scott!). At that time, the Pre-Jee3(Hee hee!), didn't know about the Elite 8 and the plan to "Pagong" them.

3) If the Elite 8 hadn't been so snarky, they could have just told Jee "sorry about your nomination choices, but we all prefer Erika to Michelle...no offense", rather than lying to Jee about their intentions - and might possible have kept the J3 from becoming so cohesive and determined.

But being the 1st HOH,I think Nate did ok.

P.S. - 'Nother bad move - Jun's overplaying. She keeps/kept attempting to play off both sides while she stood in middle ground. But unless she can find two allies to take her to the end, someone sooner or later is going to compare notes and find out what she is really all about...

Countrymeadow

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 05:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Worst Move - Shapiro for BB4. I hope the people who cast the houseguests for this year are now saying " you want fries with that? "

Wgm

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Best moves: Alison's nominations and Nathan's double alliance's with the elite 8 and Justin and Robert.

Worst moves: Dana turning her back on the elite 8, her nominations, her alliance with Justin putting him in danger of being a target, her attidude.

Crazydog

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Worst move - Dana and Jun bolting to Jee3. Dana and Jun were sitting pretty when Dana won HoH. Neither of them had a target on their back. Jee3 was bent on eliminating Nathan or Erika. They should have stuck with the plan to eliminate Jee3 first. Then they could have floated between the Nathan/Alison or Erika/David/Jack alliance. As it is, Dana is out and now Jun will be left to find a new alliance.

Best move - Alison winning HoH. She knew she needed it, so she practiced long and hard, and she did what had to be done.

Maris

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack just put a big target on his back with the J3. If they get HOH he is in deep doo doo.

Mlt

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Worst moves:

The original 8 (after all, they didn't know each other well enough to know if they could trust each other - and they had last year's example of how well those immediate alliances work)

The alliance's decision to vote out Amanda over Jee.

Jee's nominations (shouldn't have put up an ex)

Dana's nominations (should have put up Ali and Nate if she was going to betray the allinace or, better yet, she should have stuck to the original alliance since her betrayal is, in my opinion, the main reason she is leaving this week)

Ali's nominations (she should have put up Dana and Justin with Justin to go)

Best moves:

Have there been any good moves? ;)

Oh, wait. The deal that Ali and Nate struck with Justin and Robert during the first HOH comp. After all, it ensured that one of the original eight was HOH and, since there were still three exs to choose from, it ensured that two exs would be nominated. That is as close as I can come to a good move. (on the other hand, it kept Nate from nominating two of the stronger exs so maybe it wasn't a good move. Oh well, I tried ;)

Weinermr

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think the original 8's alliance and agreement to vote the exes out first was "the worst move".

The minute any one of the 8 suggested that they form an alliance, how could ANY of the others object without instantly being marked as a turncoat, and untrustworthy. Once it was mentioned, they HAD to agree.

I don't remember who suggested it first. THAT is the person that made a wrong move, certainly a hasty and thoughtless decision.

Spunky

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The worst was Dave's not seeing it coming... he should have known better and worked harder to prevent what happened to him.

The best was Nate saving Ali which triggered the eviction of Dana. Brilliant!!

Xarph

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 06:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The very worst move in this game by anyone was when Dana first put pen to the BB4 application. The Big Brother House is no place for someone who has been diagnosed with OCD.

Pannie

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 06:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
worst move:

Grodner & Arnie for dumping Brandon and retaining Scott for the first week. They should've worked harder to cinch in the surfer-boy and ditch out the knit cap man.