Can Justin survive another week?
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Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun has never broken a deal like that, and it would be suicidal for her to do so.
Actually, I think she should deal with Justin.
Next week, Erika can not be HoH, so a deal with them means only one person; she can make a deal with Justin and Jee, then she knows 3 of the 5 potential HoHs don;t nominate her.

C1mag

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I still believe that if Jun wants control of Jee and to take away power from Ali she will vote to evict Justin. Playing the game with him further doesn't help her at all. Ali will gun for her and Jee will continue to side with Justin. Jun knows that Ali is full of Poo and the only one left in the game that will play with ali to the end is Justin. Will she willingly give Ali power? I'm gonna say no. If Robert stays in Ali runs to Jun and plays with her for a while to get rid of Jack. Then they target Robert. Then they target Jee. This way Jun doesn't see a target on her for a while. With Justin in the game I think she senses a target on her.

Widowswalk

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 05:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All I know is Jun is damn stubborn. The only way to handle her is to demand she vote Robert off. That is the only way she will vote Justin out. You have to play opposites with someone like Jun.

Tdot

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 05:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Seanflynn, no matter who goes, it's Jack against the rest at next week's HOH competition. They'd all be smart to stick together.

Sara123

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 05:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know who will go, but I don't think it matters that much to Erika either. Unlike most HG's she put up 2 people she would like to leave the house, not one and a pawn. Whether Robert or Justin goes, she's still happy. Good for her!

Tabbyking

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 06:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i hope robert just sweats and connives and wheedles and whines and begs...all the things he made fun of nathan for doing. you know, that he "takes it like a man"....lol

Lovedana

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 06:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Justin can survive.

Erika is lucky that a tie is possible. If not, the Jee3 could all remain intact, even though less likely. Here's a scenario: Jee wins POV and saves either Justin or Rob. Then Erika is forced to put up Alison or Jun. If she puts up Alison, then Jun, Jee and Justin (or Rob) will vote against Alison. If Jun votes against Justin or Robert, she knows she'll be the next target.

If Erika puts up Jun, then a tie is possible, depending upon how Alison votes. So Erika better be thinking, hoping and playing hard for the veto this weekend.

C1mag

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 06:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Love you are forgetting that if Jee even goes for that Veto he might be the reason Jun gets nominated and evicted. He simply won't go for it. Too much preassure. He will find a way to eliminate himself and hope Justin saves himself.

Catfat

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 06:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope Justin stays, I think he is a cutie and I like looking at him.
Is he part Native American, perhaps one of the Plains tribes? (It takes one to know one)
Work it, Justin!

What555456

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 06:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One of the things I have never understood about the dynamics is the house is why, when a small alliance works hard to get power to do something they know needs to get done, they do not stick with the game plan and do it. Why, once the nominations are made and the POV is used/not used do they allow themselves to sway from their goal, a goal they worked out while they were calm and seeing things clearly?

Erika and Jack have known for a couple of weeks that Jee3 needs to be broken up. They have had time to think about this, analyze it and understand why. Erika won HoH knowing with Jack that one of the three guys has to go.

Yet (and this happens every year and seems to be happening now) once the chips are down, they doubt their strategy and, rather than staying the course and doing what they know has to be done, they start rethinking everything and so often, the HG's in this situation, end up making a last-minute decision to change course.

I think if Erika and Jack were smart, they would stick to their plan to get rid of Justin (for their own safety, the power of Jee3 HAS to be broken and Justin is the power). To guarantee this, since they do not control enough votes, they should make the deals needed to get Alison out next week. If Robert, Jun and Jee realize that a deal will make them safe for two more weeks, they will go along with it.

Make this a two week strategy. First Justin, then Ali. Five people -- Jack, Erika, Robert, Jun and Jee could basically relax and not feel the stress of fearing eviction for the next two weeks. Then, in two weeks when the dynamics of the house are in flux, they can each decide what to do the week after.

Lovedana

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, you're right that he's less likely to play for the POV. However, it would be helpful to him if he saves someone like Justin rather than sacrifice him so Jun survives. Alison is a pretty good competitor, so they need someone to counter her threat.

Justin could also survive if the POV isn't used. He has Alison's vote. The question is whether or not Jun and Jee would choose to save him. They would if they wanted to further their positions in the game, since he's pretty good with competitions. They could also use him to take off the target from them, in case Jack wins the next HOH.

I still think it isn't a bad idea for Robert to leave. As I said earlier, he seems to be the leader of the group, even though he isn't assertive in the competitions. He's won two POVs though for being the least target/weakest link. The group crumbles if he leaves. If he stays, Jee will still be in alliance with Rob and Jun. Then there's Alison who flip flops and may stick with Robert's side. If Justin stays instead, then the Jee pact breaks up. Justin is allied with Alison and Jun is allied with Jee. The house is then split into 3 rivals. The suballiances are revealed. Jee and Jun would try to take down Alison/Justin; and vice versa. Erika and Jack get another week under the radar.

What555456, although I haven't read the live feeds, Erika may have decided to pick Robert for fear that he might win the POV, since he's won twice so far, and save Justin. It could also be for fear of Robert being an assured vote for Justin.

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 07:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert is the most outspoken of the group, but I think Justin is the true leader. He just lets Robert be the lightning rod amd spokesman.

C1mag

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 08:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Love but I think that Jee would play right along with Justin until he is out of the house. He has already stated he knows that Rob is the weakest link in there threesome. If Justin stays I see Jee, Jun, Ali and Justin teaming against Jack and Erika. Not three little sub alliances. Jun and Erika like numbers and they like to be carried so do the guys. Get Justin out and you've got two sub alliances with Jee and Jun with maybe Robert on board with them and Ali running all over the place back and forth and Jack and Erika working together. This works much better. The key is to get out Justin and I know Jun is smart enough to realize this may be the only time to get him out. It takes Alis power away and gives he complete control of Jee. Rob comes along for the ride til he is eliminated. All this being said I still think that Justin is either gonna get the veto or that by wed he will be salvaged without little work on his own behalf. Thats been his progress through this game. A little helping hand.

Jag2000

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 08:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would love to see Justin stay and see Robert
evicted. I know this is wishful thinking but I
think that Robert does not have a mind of his own
and only follows the rules set by Justin and Jee
and I think that Justin & Jee are comical in their interactions. JMHO And please guys, get rid of Allison soon because my nerves are frayed
by that girl's actions and lies.

C1mag

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 08:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I honestly think we are about to hear Justin has won the veto or that he will be salvaged on Wed.

Charvie

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 10:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I look at it this way if Justin wins the veto he deserves to stay. He will at that point finally did something to save himself instead of Dana, ALison and the gang saving him. I think Justin is looking at it that way as well. Like Marcellus he doesn't want to be saved, he wants to play on his own terms and not be indebted to someone he may want to nominate next. If that is the case than Robert or Jee goes. That would be Jun's decision and power for a bargaining chip. Next week I see if Justin staying, Justin getting rid of ALISON because she's bad for the game.(this last bit is wishful thinking on my part).

Cantremember

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
With only 4 people voting the eviction could go either way.

We know Jack will vote against Justin
We know Jee will vote against Robert

Once again, the women leave us wondering what will happen.

Although Robert has been pretty rude to Jun, is she smart enough to see that the true leader of The stooges is Moe. . .er . . .Justin? On the other hand, Jun may think the verbal stooge is better to kick out because Justin has a brain and may take Jun back in the fold if she needs that out.

Ali may have a deal with Justin, but she has had deals with so many in the house and has left them hanging. She left Nate swinging in the wind (not even a sympathy vote) maybe she will leave Justin hanging too. Of course, she has a history with Justin, but not with Robert.

If it ties (Jun votes against Justin and Ali against Robert) Erika is the swing vote--wow the women have somehow kept power even as the minority--and she will KEEP ROBERT.

Remember, robert is one of the "older guys" and the robert and erika are getting along.

I predict (ie hope) that robert stays and joins forces with Erika/Jack. That gives an alliance of 3 elder statespersons vs. the young crowd of Jee, Jun Ali. Could be interesting to see which one of those 3 break and run for the mamma/pappa group first, or if the kids can hold their own and bring Robert back.

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert is playing the game based on 1) the j3 alliance and 2) his distain for women (if his words are any indication of how he feels).

All the other players see Justin as playing the game by such things as competition, loyalty, respect--things like that.

If women want to stay in the game and have any sanity while doing so, they will want Robert out. Jack wants Justin out because he knows that Justin is the person who will provide the toughest game against him. Jack probably feels he can have a greater affect on Robert by just "pushing his buttons".

I predict Jack will look for a way to get Jee on his side--and to do so, Justin has to be gone. Once that happens, Jee would be willing to get rid of Robert. But as long as justin is there, so is the J3 alliance--even if only 2 remain.

Mizinvanccouver

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point Lancecrossfire!

Ministryoftruth

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jee probably wants Justin to stay because he is the stronger player and while Jun and Jee have an alliance, Jee will want Jun to evict Robert. I'm just not sure Jun will go along with that. She sees how much influence Justin has over Jee and will want Justin out so she can better control Jee. Robert shouldn't have mouthed off yesterday with Jun. I think she could go either way at this point.

Mizinvanccouver

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmnmm interesting perspective too Ministry.

Note to Ministry: I wanted to send you a message in your folder but noticed you don't have one, so I'm going to say it here.

Sorry about your loss of your kitty this year. I lost my kitty this year too and she was nearly exactly the same age as yours! If you look in my folder in the Members area there is a picture of her. I would love to see a pic of your kitty too if you could put it in my folder please, if you have one. I love cats!
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Ministryoftruth

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 11:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Mizi. I'm sorry about your kitty too. I'll try to put a photo in your folder . . . not sure I know how.

Mizinvanccouver

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ministry...if you go into my folder in the Members area all directions for formating and adding a pic are there. If you type in my message box forward slash (\) and the word Image it once you post it will allow you to browse and insert a pic.

Mods...you can move this if you want...sorry

Ministryoftruth

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mizi - I did it!

Sorry for being OT mods.

Lulu

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 10:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Rob is a jerk to Erica this week, she might get rid of him instead of Justin. He's probably smarter than that tho. He'll be nice to her face at least.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 10:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Everyone is already talking like he is past tense. Even Robert seemed to be asking Justin about how Rob & Jee should handle things after he is gone. Justin is just accepting it. When he said he wouldn't campaign, I guess he meant it.

Starr

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 10:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika is not gonna get rid of Robert she has been working on making deals with Robert all day..they talked about if he an Jee get put up she'll vote Jee out over him he if will promise to save her over Jack if she an Jack get put up together then they join alliance together.