Jun - Victim of Our Cultural Brainwashing?
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Jun - Victim of Our Cultural Brainwashing?
Bohawkins | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 10:28 am     This weight thing is ridiculous. It is really a matter of overall health. The more beautiful person is always the one who is in good health irrespective of the weight. Good health glows. I can illustrate with two girlfriends I had in years past (not at the same time). One was a gal who carried some weight, not quite Rosie level, but close, the other was lean like an Erika. I must tell you they were both attractive, but the difference in beauty was that the gal with, what most would consider, "excess" weight radiated a gracious beauty that the other gal did not. The trim gal was constantly on a diet and she was often irritable, a "nervous nelly." The other girl was far more balanced. The reason for the differences between them is simple, the girl who was heavier ate normal, healthy meals and was active, but she was at her normal weight. It was apparent that her weight fit her. I must tell you that I have had it with being around people who constantly diet (especially the protein powder crowd) until they are living in self-induced psychotic states. So, I am an advocate of "normal" weight, which comes from eating healthy meals and being active. I love to eat, but for me the result is that I am a naturally trim person (by the way, I chose thin parents). Some people, with the same habits I have, come out trim, and others appropriately heavier than the so-called societal norms would dictate. I prefer a healthy, naturally heavier, well-balanced girl everytime over a abnormally thin one whose life and personality has become centered around keeping the pounds off. |
Bbfanatic | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 10:51 am     Before bb started, i kept reading were people wanted "REAL" people on the show. It has happened and so many are now putting them down. I think Jun is great, but im not hung up on looks.<mk>. Wonderful people come in all shapes & sizes. I admire her for being so comfortable with her body. I am about 10 lbs more than what i prefer to be, but right where charts say i should be, but 20 lbs more than i should be by the Hollywood Idiot standards. Well, we have a "REAL" person on the show and look what happens. <mk> I dont care because I happy to be able to embrace people of of shapes & sizes. My good friend worked out hard, kept in great shape, spent many hours a week working on her body and died in a car accident a year ago this month at age 33. I see other people who are much older, dont try to watch their weight and are happy. I am done, thanks!!! |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 11:28 am     I think Jun is beautiful. Yes, I sometimes wonder why she wears a bikini bottom instead of shorts during non-competition times, but, heck, for a number of years I wondered why Oprah (and she did this when she was at her top weight and then for several years after losing ) would consistently wear unflattering, tight clothing.. and Oprah didn't have any constraints budget wise. But in both cases, I don't see that as a reason to demonize the person. And for those who say "I don't wanna see her". <MK> Those people are being far more harsh than Jun could ever have been, back at the beginning of the show, in the DR, having been asked who knows what question. She is, to me, the most well-rounded (pun not intended, but.. ), intelligent, interesting, non-cookiecutter woman in that sad house. |
Way2prissy | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 11:35 am     I really love this message board but I need to vent. I have been a long time lurker but this topic has gotten on my last nerve. I think it's very sad to read the criticism of Jun's body. She's not my favorite houseguest and I don't like the way she dresses. However, I don't think it's right to analyze her body and judge her personal choices like this. She may not be the nicest person in the house but I'm tired of reading about every bite this woman puts in her mouth. I think all of the houseguests are brave for even putting themselves in this position...I know I wouldn't want MY body up there for the whole world to see. No one is perfect and all imperfections are maximized when the camera lens zooms in on them. I haven't seen anyone address the fact that television camera add at least 10-15 pounds to your appearance onscreen. To Brotherman: the Atkins Diet IS A GREAT diet and it has saved many lives. Thank you for defending it. |
Queenfish | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 12:32 pm     hmmmmmmm.....let's see, do I have this correct..... 1.Jun puts herself on a reality show 2.Jun makes crude remarks about the physical appearence of the other girls in the house 3. Jun Runs around in an unflattering bikini bottom 4.I am "shallow" cause I don't wanna see that. And the Atkins diet worked wonders for me and others in my office. |
Costacat | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 12:59 pm     Without having read the entire thread, in defense of a statement I made several weeks ago... I referred to Jun as "jiggly" because THAT IS THE WORD SHE USED to describe herself. |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:09 pm     Costacat, when used in such a context, "jiggly" isn't a bad thing to say when talkking about Jun. There are lost of examples in the past where the same word or phrase is ok and not ok to use. It depends on the contect of hwo you are using it. If it's used a slam or a put down or attack, it's not ok. If it's used in reference as descriptive (but respectful of the person) or a quote by the pseron, or reference to what the person conveyed, then it's ok. |
Gidget | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:14 pm     Oh goodness, not this again. Clearly anyone who can pinch more than an inch should be issued 5 yards of fabric with a draw string around the neck and 2 slits so they can use their arms. And while we're at it, let's sew a great big letter on the front. How 'bout "F" for fat. And while we're on the topic. If your face is not as smooth as a newborns bum, you should be issued about 2 yards of netting to cover that up too. Sew a "U" on that for ugly. Boobs too small, feet too big, nose crooked. Let's shoot 'em all. How dare these less than perfect people pollute the gene pool and offend our sensibilities!
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Whit4you | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:21 pm     ^5 Gidget!! My X used to say I'd look good in a gunny sack (25 lbs ago) - now I sometimes feel from reading this board that I belong in one 24/7  |
Gidget | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:28 pm     It's funny you say that Whit. When I was young I was "all that". I was slightly underweight, but not skinny, being one of the roundy kind of girls. Even then, a perfect size six I had slightly large upper arms and thighs. I never went sleeveless. Nope, cap sleeves for this girl. And no daisy dukes either. Gosh I wish I had that body now! Underweight is no longer a problem for me in middle age. But middle age brought me something so much better. A realization that I am not my body. I am so much more. And my clothes should be as much about comfort and functionality as style. This is the first summer ever, I have regularly gone around in tank tops. They are WONDERFUL. |
Nanc | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:35 pm     I got so mad at the post about forcing everyone to live a healthy lifestyle that I had to go outside and have a cigarette! |
Nanc | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:38 pm     I think I read here ( but maybe on another board) that -- Life for a woman is just one continous beauty contest. Sad but true. It sucks. |
Ark | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:38 pm     Go Gidget!!!! |
Whit4you | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:39 pm     Well I'd have to suggest 'superficial' is a more appropriate word (based on the fact the dictionary doesn't really define shallow the way I think of it, whereas superficial does so) |
Way2prissy | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:40 pm     If the shoe fits... |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:45 pm     Superficial works for me, too, Whit!! but.. def 3 works for me too. Main Entry: [1]shal·low Pronunciation: 'sha-(")lO Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English schalowe; probably akin to Old English sceald shallow —more at SKELETON Date: 14th century 1 : having little depth <shallow water> 2 : having little extension inward or backward <office buildings have taken the form of shallow slabs —Lewis Mumford> 3 a : penetrating only the easily or quickly perceived <shallow generalizations> b : lacking in depth of knowledge, thought, or feeling <a shallow demagogue> 4 : displacing comparatively little air : WEAK <shallow breathing> synonym see SUPERFICIAL - shal·low·ly /-lO-lE, -l&-lE/ adverb - shal·low·ness noun |
Whit4you | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:53 pm     Reality is the majority of posters and lurkers on this board are probably around Jun's size or larger, so my whole point is that saying things about Jun and how she's gross, repulsive or so on - could probably be offensive to the majority of posters and lurkers here as well. To use the excuse that it's OK to say mean an hurtful things because Jun does, just makes no sense to me. Clearly those perfect people with perfect bodies have never walked in Jun's shoes so don't have the same excuse she does (ie having been teased / made fun of all her life she thinks it's 'the norm') Superficial: 1. Of or pertaining to the superficies, or surface; lying on the surface; shallow; not deep; as, a superficial color; a superficial covering; superficial measure or contents; superficial tillage. 2. Reaching or comprehending only what is obvious or apparent; not deep or profound; shallow; -- said especially in respect to study, learning, and the like; as, a superficial scholar; superficial knowledge. I usually think of it as 'shallow' (ie when Shannon was being shallow when she was dissing on Autumn's looks - Jun's being shallow when she disses on the fellow HG's minor imperfections etc) but the definition of superficial actually fits my concept better. But both definitions refer to the other term - so it's just a matter of minor semantics. |
Puzzled | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 02:37 pm     LOL, Gidget!!  |
Brotherman | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 04:02 pm     Personality counts, doesn't it? When Jun won POV, she was absolutely glowing. At that moment, I'd take her over Erika, Dana, Alison, Michelle, and Amanda. Well, maybe not Amanda. Or Michelle. But personality does count. |
Queenfish | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 02:02 pm     so by calling people shallow or superficial for disagreeing with you aren't you slamming those people just like you accuse folks of slamming jun? Really kinda like the proverbial pot calling the kettle black I would say. |
Moderator | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 02:27 pm     Folks, let's keep the posts about the tv show please. And NOT about each other. Reminder: bashing other posters is against the board rules and may result in the loss of your account. Thank you. (MK) |
Gemma120in2002 | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 03:36 pm     Everyone seems to have an opinion on obesity. Jun is unfortunately a person who is struggling with obesity and it is a medical problem. No it's not her thyroid, but it is definately a hormone imbalance. The hunger hormone Ghrelin is responsable for her constant eating. PYY, which stands for peripheral hormone peptide YY (PYY 3-36), is the hormone that is supposed to trigger the feeling of fullness in people, and unfortunately in some people it is very late in coming. We have a national epidemic of obesity and it must be acknowledged as the medical problem it is. People can and do lose weight, but unfortunately there is only a 3% chance that those people will maintain that weight loss. Eventually 97% of those who have lost weight will not only regain the weight they've lost, they will gain even more. Here are some links you might find informative. http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/Living/hunger030527.html http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/dailynews/hunger_hormone020523.html http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/346/21/1623 |
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