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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Special K, acid, ecstacy and cocaine - who used what??: Archive through August 05, 2003

Bbfan88

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think people should be ashamed for their drug background. It's something that they did a long time ago and it shouldn't be held against them now if they no longer have a problem.

Woodpecke®

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 06:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think people that use drugs and brag about it are embarrassing. Anyone that decides to use drugs now, in 2003, obviously doesn't care about the risks. I am also sick and tired of drug users that get help and quit the habit. They are held up to society as heroes. They receive applause. I'm not impressed.

Frogichik

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 06:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Such a small number of addicts are actually able to quit using and stay clean, I think those who are able to should be applauded. I had two relatives who are recovering addicts and I went through the rehab process with second one, going to facility and attending the meetings. Most of the addicts there had been to rehab more then once. Those who are able to stay clean do have a right to be proud, but I wouldn't go as far as to say they are heroes. Fighting any addiction is a battle whether it is drugs, gambling, food, alcohol, etc. I just think we should support those who are trying.

Friktion

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 06:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess it depends from what point of view you're coming from - I cringe anytime I hear people bragging and/or joking about their past or present drug use. My 16 year old is listening - and he's really easily influenced. Unfortunately, he already knows what a "pothead" is - he has a few friends already who've fallen deep into it.

I really don't want him to hear from older, "cooler" "grown-ups" on the TV how much fun it was sampling all the drugs out there.

Outlawout

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wait, isn't watching Big Brother a way of killing brain cells?

<<J/K I just think we all have our escapes>>

Woodpecke®

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 06:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Big Brother falls into the catagory of useless entertainment. It doesn't cost money and certainly won't wreck your liver. You can live as a productive citizen and raise your family while viewing BB. When I sit down and think about BB objectively, the whole show is ludicrous and I really should find better things to occupy my time. It's a guilty pleasure. Nothing more.

Sunshyne4u

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okie....thx for your input. I, for one, appreciate what you have shared with us.
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The HG bragging about drug use is typical of the 'college kid' mentality these people have. I would like to suggest that Dana's paranoia could be caused by excess drug use (coke makes you really paranoid) Robert has admitted to being an alcoholic. His kinda scrawny build with a little plump belly is classic hard core 'alc-y' body. I dont think Rob has really been sick these last few times as he has suggested. It could be he is in serious withdrawl from the usual large amount of alcohol he usually drinks per day. That would be one way to force yourself to DRY OUT.....go in the BB house!!


Just a theory!!

Maris

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert said today that tomorrow is his one year nine month anniversary of freedom from alcohol. I sincerely doubt he is going through withdrwal more than a year and a half later.

Zachsmom

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sunshyne...Robert has been sober for over a year and a half. I think his nasal problems are from his past use of cocaine. Not positive..but I have known people who were tweekers and stopped and their nasal passages have never been the same.

Omegabubbles

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Talk of the drugs someone "use" to use is still to me ignorant bragging. It's like saying "I am a daring person who once did this, aren't you impressed?" When I hear someone like this all I'm thinking is what a stupid turd they are for even mentioning it in any context.

Willsbills

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No matter how minor you think it is drug use is drug use and it is bad. Someone, somewhere gets hurt in the long run and yeah, that includes "medicinal" reason too.

Kalekona

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The term "tweeker" does not refer to someone who uses coke. A tweeker is on meth. The term is used to discribe what someone does when they use meth, and stay awake for days on end. They start projects but jump from one to another, taking things apart, organizing things etc.
Cocaine use does not produce the same high, nor the same ability to stay awake as long.
With cocaine the high wears of pretty fast, with meth it last for hours.

Robert has allergies, anyone that has them can see that. The runny nose and sniffling associated with coke use is present while you are using not when your not. (although long term use will result in getting nosebleeds very easily.)

I have a 20 yr. and an 18 year old, and my husband and i have always been open and honest about our pasts. They have seen people they care about loose everything in their lives because of their choices. They have been told the truth about drugs..they are fun, it does feel good. But the payoff isn't worth that limited enjoyment.

My kids have never tried drugs, because they already know what happens.

Hiding things from kids is not protecting them it's giving them a false sense of the world, it is those very sheltered kids that go off to college never knowing anything and die from Alcohol poisoning or over dose.
Just my personel experience. And I'm the first one to say it could have been very different, and I am not advocating using drugs with your kids or glorifing them, if you try and tell them it isn't fun they're going to know your full of it.

Be honest with your kids, don't try and change your past mistakes to impress them or make yourself look better to them, use your past (whatever it may be) to help teach them so they don't have to go out and make the same ones you already have.

ok sorry off my soap box.... just my humble opinion. (opinianted opinion but still humble :) )

Omegabubbles

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh good Lord.

Maris

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you 100% Kale. I use the same approach myself.

Willsbills

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just because it felt good to you doesn't mean that if someone says it doesn't they're full of it.

Zachsmom

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"tweeker" "cokehead" what's the diff? Still snorting stuff up you nostrils which burn the nasal passages and forever have nasal problems. I "know" people like Robert who have the same snort and sniffles.

Kalekona

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
the "diff" is pretty simple, they are two different drugs, that have completely different effects.
And as a life long allergy sufferer i'm telling you it is easy to see roberts problem. Former drug use does not cause constant sneezing.

as far as saying someone is "full of it" you don't do drugs to begin with if you don't enjoy them..plan and simple they are fun or no one would do them a second time. (until they allow the drugs to control them, then it isn't fun) kids aren't stupid they know when an adult is lying to them or talking down to them (why do you think the "the just say no" campiagn was a bust?)
Honesty is always the best approach. Because once your kids find out you lied they will never take anything you say seriously again.

Wendo

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, prolonged Cocaine use CAN damage the nose permanently.

"Prolonged cocaine snorting can result in ulceration of the mucous membrane of the nose and can damage the nasal septum enough to cause it to collapse."

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofax/cocaine.html

Nexell2

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 12:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I feel like I'm reading "How to be a guest speaker at rehab". LOL

Lurknomore

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 12:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wasn't gonna jump in but I just gotta...this must be controversy night at the TVCH lol.

I respectfully have a different opinion about "plan and simple they are fun or no one would do them a second time."

Regretfully I have seen several friends mess up their lives with drugs and alcohol. While for some there might be a fun factor, I think for those that really get into problems it is less for fun and much more for the "escape factor." They want to block out this world, escape from it, forget about it...etc. I don't know about you but that sure isn't my idea of fun.

Snee

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 12:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
lurk, i was just going to say something about the escape factor. someone might not be as interested in feeling a fun high as in feeling nothing at all.

Kalekona

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 12:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My point was simply people do not start doing drugs because it isn't fun.
Until you've done a certain drug you do not know if it will be an excape from your problems or not.
everyone does it the first time to have fun. It's what you do after that first time.

Yes prolong use causes nasal damage but it does not cause sneezing. It can eat away the nose period, but what robert is experiancing isn't from drug use it is from allergy.

Nexell2

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 12:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<LC> Go after or comment on the issues--not the other posters!

Snee

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 12:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kalekona -- 'My point was simply people do not start doing drugs because it isn't fun.
Until you've done a certain drug you do not know if it will be an excape from your problems or not.'

in that same vein, kalekona, someone wouldn't know if a certain drug would be fun or not the first time. all they have to go on is what they've seen/heard.

no, not everyone does a drug the first time to have fun. many i would say, but not everyone.

Willsbills

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 12:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Lurk, yes, it must be.