Archive through August 18, 2003
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Jpgramma | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:07 pm     For someone who thinks (and keeps telling everyone) she's so smart, Ali sure does some dumb things. She may have a good memory, but that's not what smart is all about. Pavlov's dog, yanno? Monkeys can be trained to remember things. So can caged rats. So can beauty queens I guess. |
Twiggyish | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:11 pm     LOL Jpgramma..Pavlov's dog. |
Jpgramma | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:13 pm     well, if I said she was anyone else's dog.. oops. never mind. ;) |
Onlyhuman | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:13 pm     So, do you all think that this had been Ali's plan all along and this is why she initiated her "alliance" with Jun? Or is it a desperate attempt to keep Justin in the house so she has more time to try to get back in his bed? This just reeks of desperation! |
Seamonkey | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:13 pm     What a hoot .. I just knew Ali would make a play to keep Justin in there.. And of COURSE Ali and Justin needed to be split long ago but she remains thanks to NATE. And of COURSE Ali needs to just GO but that isn't happening yet, or maybe or who knows?? BUT.. Erika IS wanting to keep Robert there for her own devious purposes, so splitting THEM up would be delicious too. I think Justin would be more focussed on Jack/Erika and keep Jee possibly focussed.. which is also good for Jun and Ali. Of course Ali cannot be trusted and Justin will continue to influence her if he stays. Robert is so blindly incensed at Jun/Ali that for them he's better gone. For Jun if she really wants to be allied with Jee, one=sided as that seems, better to have Robert leave because then Justin would be a bigger target than Jee. Interrrrresting, verrry interrresting. |
Roamjotiba | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:15 pm     May have been talked about before but have you seen on Ali's Bio: BB: How do you plan to win BIG BROTHER? Ali: Not lying, not cheating and not talking behind backs Too funny |
C1mag | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:16 pm     Bmh.. There's no need for Justin to be the target every week anymore. Jun knows who the next targets are for a couple of weeks and it's not her so no need for Justin to be the target anymore. Jun needs control of Jee NOW and she needs for Ali to be a target instead of a floater. She can't stand her. She sure isn't gonna play into her hands and hand her Justin. Getting rid of Justin now assures Jun she actually has a chance to literally earn her way into the finals with the remaining players instead of wishing, and praying that later on Justin will depart and lets face it the thought of getting out both Ali and Justin later on is too tough to deal with when you have the chance to start killing it off right now. Justin serves one purpose for Jun right now. She destroys Alis game right now and has complete control of Jee from here on out. She's safe with Jee, Jack, Erika, and Rob for the next couple of weeks. Ali's game runs out of steam after this as well. something Jun wanted back when Dana was hoh. |
Philamom | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:19 pm     Roam, LOL, I read Ali's bio when the show first started, but I had forgotton what she said. It's really funny when you read it at this point in the game. Or maybe she was lying from the very beginning, when she filled out her bio, in which case she'd be telling the truth about how she's going to play ... ooops, nevermind, that's another thread. hee hee |
Widowswalk | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:21 pm     Dana/Marty Feldman(Jokers)? Oh thats funny, and very true. |
Scovanbar | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:21 pm     Justin did tell Robert & Jee that after Jack goes to bring in Erika and not Ali or Jun. Also during Jee and Jun's conv., Jun told Jee that maybe she should not go for the next HOH and Jee said you must go for it. He said we all need to go for it at this point. |
C1mag | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:24 pm     Sea the only problem with all your scenarios is that Jun will not give Ali the control she wants in this game. Therefore Justin will go. Jun has her mind set on how the game will play out with Justin already gone. There's no need to hand Justin to Ali and say... "ok you guys go and try to boot everyone and I'll be sure and give it a try at the end when you boot me as well" Thats just not gonna happen. Jun probably is getting rid of Justin for the purpose of destroying Alis game. Ali is scarry in this game. She can just fly all over the place and so Justin needs to go. All the others know Alis game and all of a sudden ali is twisting in the wind. I also wouldn't want to keep playing the game with both ali and Justin in their at this point. I sure wouldn't trust her and together they would be too good at winning things. |
Seamonkey | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:27 pm     I do agree that Justin still is the one to go. |
C1mag | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:28 pm     OH and this last ditch effort of Alis is proving again that she can't be trusted. Jun has been present when Ali has promised that she will evict Justin this wed. Now all of a sudden here she comes not keeping her promise again. Sure go ahead and keep Justin for her and know in advance she is gonna screw you over again and again and again. Get him out and she is at your mercy because she has no one to hide behind. And thats the real key for Ali as well. She is the one who needs Justin to hide behind the most in this game. Not Jun, jee, or any of the rest. It's ali who needs him the most and Jun knows that as well. |
Seamonkey | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:29 pm     However, Jun won't beat Jee, Jack or Erika in F2, but could possibly beat Ali.. and that would be touch and go for sure. |
Jpgramma | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:30 pm     What's maddening is that with long a FOTH, we may miss hearimg June tell Jack & Erika about this latest Ally gem. If BB is going to keep us at FOTH for the HGs whole mid-point party, who knows how many chances June may have. I don't want to miss the way she'll tell them, nor their reactions. |
Seamonkey | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:31 pm     Oh yeah, and of course the only reason Ali can even suggest this is thanks to Jee and his stupid sympathy/respect/vote for me at the end vote to keep Justin. I have to say it WOULD be fun to see the faces on Jack, Erika and Robert, even Jee.. but agree Justin must go. |
C1mag | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:41 pm     Basically Ali has run out of people to play in this game and her last hope is hiding behind Justin and that is going down real fast as well. I said that her decision to screw Nate over and not put up Justin would come back to haunt her and here it is. They all watched her screw her prime alliance member to his face to stay in the game by promising that Justin would be the one going and then she didn't even nominate him. Some said it was good for her. I said it was too early to play the "me" card and especially against your prime alliance member. Now because of that bold lie they all know she can't be trusted so it's not like anyone left in the game is gonna play the game for her and give her what she wants now. She's desperate to save this guy and it sorta looks funny if you ask me. Hey did she just have this GREAT epiphany that it would be better to keep Justin in the game over Rob? Why not ask Jun to use the veto? We all know why. She never asked Jun to use the veto because she thought that maybe she would go up herself? I know some would say, "Oh but Erika wouldn't do that to her" Don't forget that someone lying as bad as Ali in this game is probably telling herself that they are all lying to her so Erika probably would put her up and we all know Ali just doesn't even want to tempt them to put her up at this point so she waited for this day and came up with this ridiculous idea that Justin would save the game for Jun, Jee and of coars Ali... LOL Like I said, now why didn't she think of this before the veto ceremony? Can we say... "megga crapfest!" This was not a steller Ali moment. |
C1mag | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:47 pm     Sea I dont think that Jun thinks like we do when it comes to a final vote. She would assume that if she was the last one standing next to say Erika that her old buds Jee, Robert, Justin ( he holds no animosity in her voting him out) and Dana would give her the money. Pay attention to her DR sessions they show on the tube. She keeps saying... "they all love me in the house" BTW I think she could beat Erika by one vote. And look at something else too. She knows she can't beat Justin and Ali both to get into the final round. However, she has a real good shot at taking on Erika and Jack in final 3 and getting to the final round all on her own. |
Jpgramma | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:55 pm     I agree. I don't think June realizes how much higher Justine, Robert and Gee's opinions of Jack and Erika have been raised since last week. She may still be stuck on all the hooplah they've been spouting since Dana was HOH, about how 'they' have the jury numbers and noone could win against them. Other than Nate's and each others, and maybe Ally's, June probably does think she'd have the rest of the votes. |
Cameltoes | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:57 pm     What is so funny about all this is that Justin has shown no interest in saving himself and here is Ali working overtime to save him. I can't wait for Jun to spill her guts. |
C1mag | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:59 pm     Gramma I honestly do feel that she thinks this way. She figures that she will use Jee to get to four. Then sacrafice him by letting the other side get rid of him since he would easily win the money. Then she'd take on the final 2 and it has to be 2 very weak players in her mind and that would be Erika and Jack or even Robert and NOT Ali so she can walk into the finals herself and then all that alleged love from the others will give her the money. |
R151996 | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 08:03 pm     I'll defend Ali on the bio question about her strategy. Remember that all answers were given BEFORE the X Factor was revealed. And Ali did say in an aired DR clip that her strategy went completely out the window with the X Factor. And Justin did say that Ali's actions would prove to him if he would trust her. Hard to think that Justin wouldn't if Ali pulls this off. I still think Jun will string Ali along and try to force a 2-2 vote so Erika has to kick Justin out. |
C1mag | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 08:06 pm     Camel but you know this is how Justin has stayed in the game. Every time he thinks he is the one going he says real fast, "Oh well I'm gone and I don't care. I don't even want to be here anymore" and then out of nowhere someone has salvaged him? Will it happen again? I don't think it's gonna happen this time around. Jun has already covered her bases with him and told him she's evicting him. He said he would do the same move because it's a good strategy. He appreciated her honesty to him. He cracks me up because he never really did try to play this game. Even he says that the week he got hoh was handed to him with that crazy question. I do think he wants to stay but I don't think he wants to come off as a crybaby about it. I think this game exhausts him. Some are built for this game and others just aren't. I don't think he's built for it. Sorta like Dana. She thought she could handle it and it ate her alive. Someone like Jun was born to play this game as well as Ali. |
Onlyhuman | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 08:09 pm     The thing is, these people are soooo easily swayed. To impress them, all Jun has to do is win an HOH and evict someone. If she gets rid of Ali, the others will LOVE her and her so-called non-existent game. Suddenly she will be a fighter. Look how impressed everyone was when she got POV over Justin. Justin is actually reasonable about all this and will be easily swayed by Dana. Even though Dana was hurt by Jun's parting comments, she still said in her parting words that she is hoping for Jun or Justin to win. Jack is just too fair and he knows that there are lots of ways to play the game, so I don't see him holding Jun's floater status against her, though Jack's ties to the others would probably mean that Jack would only give Jun his vote against Ali and MAYBE Robert. With Erika, I don't know, because I can't really get a feel for her. Nate is the only one who will NEVER vote for Jun. He is just too bitter and angry about her beign a "traitor". |
Cameltoes | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 08:19 pm     Yep C1 and that's why it's so funny. He just sits back and these women decide to keep him around. What's interesting about this is that if it plays out as I think (with Justin leaving), the entire episode shows how different the 2 so-called floaters are playing. Jun considers the consequences of her actions. She has weighed her options and has expressed concerns that saving Justin would be dangerous for her in the long run (jumping sides twice in one week, giving Ali a shield, strong player, etc.). Jun sneaks around giving information but she doesn't lie outright about what she's going to do. Ali seems completely uninterested in the consequences of her actions. I can just see her now swearing up and down to Erika and Jack that she is totally devoted to the 2 of them and their alliance and she only wanted Robert out for Erika's own good. |
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