Xarph | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:39 pm     Dave is making a deal Jun/Dana. He will put up Nat and Ali if he gets HOH. He is not promising who he would vote for or even how he would use a veto. All Dave has to do is throw HOH next week. If they keep him this week no one will put him up next week. |
Cinder | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:39 pm     I wouldn't mind seeing Jun and Dave in the final two- because they are the best players IMHO. |
Theo | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:39 pm     exactly kalekona..Jun is not going to budge and if shee doesn't then it's all over for dave...the "boys" don't have the "ba11s" to deal with both jun and dana if they screw this up somehow...Dave should have just been dave till voting started then pulled robert and justine aside and said " hey do this for me and i'll do this for you" without the benifet of the freggin debate team.. and i believe then he could have swayed a vote.. |
Spwisc | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:40 pm     I agree with you C1mag, they shouldn't trust Dave because he has proven that he will lie to go further in the game. |
Kalekona | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:41 pm     C1 your right about Daves plan. And Jun has said as much. can't wait to hear what they say when he leaves the room. |
Wendo | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:42 pm     C1mag isn't telling anyone what they can and cannot talk about. He's just expressing his opinion. Let's keep from focusing on other posters, K? |
C1mag | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:42 pm     If you realize how he would affect these two in the long run they should get rid of him. Because eventually he would serve a purpose if he played with them. He will at some point go after these two girls in both scenarios. He would either help Nate and Ali to get these two out or he would help the guys get these two out. I would be so into this that he'd never get another week from me cause if I were dana I'd realize he will come out after me in both scenarios. |
Xarph | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:43 pm     Dave just called Jun out in front of Dana. He said that the only person against him stayig is Jun. Dana has got to be effected by this thought. |
Wendo | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:44 pm     Yeah, we have to see what Jun and Dana say to each other once Dave leaves the room. Until then, there's just no way to know for sure. As far as them not trusting Dave because of lying before. So did Jack. |
Kalekona | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:44 pm     whatever wendo- your Point of view is clear. from where I am sitting that is exactly what he was doing. perspective-everyones is different. |
Wendo | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:46 pm     Yeah, but C1mag, Dana isn't you. She thinks and rationalizes emotionally. So, thinking emotionally, she DESPARTELY wants to keep Dave. I really believe that. And, if he can play on that, I think he has a shot of staying. The unknown factor, though, is Jun. |
Kalekona | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:46 pm     he's saying the right thing- "i have to stick with what I say or no one will trust me" which is true except that he really would only be screwing them not the originals. |
C1mag | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:46 pm     I personally think he's trying too hard and thats what makes it obvious that he is half lying. He would play their game if they get hoh next week cause he knows he's safe. If Nate and Ali get hoh of coarse he would vote on of Danas buddys off cause thats all that would be put up. He's trying too hard. |
Kalekona | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:47 pm     Jun is a rock.. he's not swaying her. |
C1mag | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:47 pm     But remember Wendo ... Dana doesn't vote. I think he's trying too hard and it shows. |
Wendo | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:48 pm     Kalekona, perspective IS everything. Like I said, from what I've read of C1's posts, they're about the game, not about the posters and what can and cannot be said. That's all. You have your opinion, I have mine. |
Wendo | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:49 pm     Yes, C1, Dana doesn't vote. But, she clearly has a certain amount of control over Justin and Robert and I think Dave knows that. (Especially from the convo with the 3 guys.) So, the person to work is Dana. So what if Jun and Jee vote Dave out, if Justin and Robert vote to keep him, he stays. |
Kalekona | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:49 pm     i hope in the end they see this. Jun is letting Dana do all the talking while she takes it all in... The more i watch jun the better she is at this. And as emotional as Dana may be I think over all she knows Dave has to go. |
Maris | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:49 pm     He is trying too hard. He told the boys he would get rid of Alison by putting up Ali and Dana and Dana was the pawn. He told the boys not to discuss it with the girls. The boys of course told Dana and Jun. Now he is telling Jun and Dana he would put up Ali and Nate. So he has already lied to one side of this alliance. I think Jun is going to stick to her guns of evicting Dave. |
Meggieprice | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:49 pm     When everyone here talks about Dave betraying the Stooges with the Michelle plan ...well, Dana and Jun did the same thing! There is always selective memory in the house about these things. And the 3 have all completely trashed Dana to others in the past and I have no doubt will turn on her. Suddenly because they are an alliance of 5 they are honest and loyal....NOT! I too lament that no one is making one on one deals because The Queen will not allow it.The nastiness and trash talking that already pervade the game are a drag for me. I am disappointed with this season, but at the same time that is the thing about BB- what happens when 13 strangers are locked up in the house? The dynamics of interplay, alliance, ebb and flow, are different every year. I comiserate with those of you who hate what is happening and envy those of you that enjoy it. |
Xarph | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:50 pm     Sexual Harasment! Dana is attempting to use her position of power to get sexual favors from Dave. This is a job for them. This is sexual harasment in the work place. If a guy was doing this to a girl, it would be all over for the guy. I demand equal treatment of men. :-) <---------NOTE |
Wendo | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:50 pm     Ok, here we go, he's leaving. |
C1mag | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:50 pm     His game is simple and I get it. He just won't try for hoh this week and he will sit back and whoever gets it he will vote accordingly. He's just buying time to restructure knowing the target is off him and Erika for two weeks and the one thing he is doing that works on Dana is too knock Nate. However, she doesn't vote and Jun may be the deciding factor that tells Dana no and then when momma says no the guys all vote him out although Justin might have a hard time letting him go. |
Kalekona | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:51 pm     Go JUN! |
C1mag | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 03:51 pm     Jun figured it out. He is just making himself SAFE for two weeks. He won't try for hoh. |