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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Jee's New Plan
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Myjohnhenry

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 04:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<eeeeekkkk...I posted in the BB area...<running quickly back to BB lurkdom>

Helgapataki

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 06:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As I read over these posts, I am really struck by how much faith some posters put in the supposed Jun/Jee alliance.

They have both admitted privately in DR and HOH conversations w/Julie that it is an "alliance" of convenience only, and totally expendable to each of them. It is nothing like the Dani/Jason alliance, which was secret from the other hg but not from feed watchers. We KNEW they were working for and with each other. As for Jun and Jee, I can't think of one significant instance in which they assisted one another which would lend credence to this belief in their "alliance".

For some reason, some LIKE the idea that they might be working together (WHY some like that idea might make for an interesting convo) but face it- Jee has served whatever purpose he might have had for Jun and he is toast!!! And that doesn't bother me a bit.

Wendo

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to agree with C1mag at this point, until we see Jun say differently. I think she's thinking exactly that. Not put up Jee initially, then Ali pov's herself off, then puts up Jee because she "has" to. Then, it's Erika and Ali voting Jee out, not Jun. I can see Jun thinking exactly this.

We'll see, of course. But it is interesting. Yep, C1mag, Jun gets the power play of the week award in my book too. LOL!

Rhett

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't you think Jee and Rob might ask why would she put up Ali when she knows she has the power of veto? Ali is going to take herself off. If she is planning on putting up Jee don't you think he will know that it is the same as nominating him in the first place. Maybe she plans on putting up Erica. Maybe it is as someone has already said she is making sure Ali can't use the veto on anyone else. It will be interesting to see what happens. If she turns on Ali and Erica and takes Jee she won't get their votes even though they hate Jee. Who other than Dana and Jack would vote for her?

Fan3

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 08:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jun will put up Ali & Rob and when Ali used veto she will put up Erica so will be a tie and have both Erica & rob to see who is most loyal to her. just hope she see that Jee is playing her and if she doesn't get him out she is coming in 3rd

Bastable

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It seems like the hamsters never learn:

When you name your alliance something egotistical and you prance around pronouncing your power, you will always fail. Hello, Chill Town? Hello, Couples? And now the "Dream Team"? Stooges away!

Wendo

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 08:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rhett, you know, I was just thinking the same thing and I was coming here to post that.

Since Jun knows Ali has the POV, as well as the others, it's going to be a bit odd that she's putting her up.

I think she's going to have Jee and Rob up in the end. But it's just hard to know for sure with Jun. Jun's one of those HG's where we need to see her DR entries to know exactly what she thinking.

But, Jun has to know that if she puts up Erika and Erika goes, she alienates Ali. And, whether she believes it or not, Jee and Rob will always do for their alliance first before Jun. I just think Jun has a better chance of winning the game if she sticks with the girls. If not, and she ended up in the final two with either Rob or Jee, she'll have a tougher time winning imo.

Lovedana

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In regards to Jee's comment: It constitutes coercion by definition.

As far as Jun's proposition: I find it hard to believe that Jun really wants Jee out. She's been talking nonsense this week about how she says one thing or the other to cover up an alliance. But through out, I noticed her statements are contradictory and don't sound like something someone would say to support an alliance. Remember the case of Jee getting cocky and greedy? Remember Jun confronted Jee about it in the open? Remember Jee was upset about she putting him in the spotlight? Well, she kept saying in the diary room that she was doing it for his protection. I couldn't see how exactly she was protecting him with that kind of behavior.

In other words, I am saying Jun has been consistent with this contradictory front in order to mislead the others. I see every reason for Jun to keep Jee. On the other hand, the only reason I see for her to keep Robert instead is if she's convinced that Robert would go after Erika. But I'm afraid she would be mistaken in assuming that. Robert would go after her, Jun (i.e, he would nominate Jun and Alison with intent to get rid of Jun; or Jun and Erika with intent to get rid of Jun). He’s played this game with his emotions. She also voted contrary to what Robert wanted (re Jack vs Erika). He's made it clear that he doesn't like her. The other way would be if she were convinced that Erika would go after Robert instead of her. This could be, but what's Erika's chance of winning HOH?

Basically, I think it's just a game. She really wants Robert out. Perhaps she has plans to tell them last minute that she had a change of heart. Or maybe she knowing Alison and her flaky nature expects Alison to go opposite the plan. She's trying to act so determined to get rid of Jee, so the girls would act opposite and won't get suspicious of an alliance. I don't know, but that's the way she's been acting so far. Maybe she has the reverse psychology effect in the palm of her hand.

Pirate

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
At the beginning, didn't Jun say something to the effect that she would use Jee for as long as she needed him and then get him out of the house?

Sounds like this may be her chance to do just that. If she waits any longer, it may not happen.

Costacat

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was just gonna say that, Pirate. Jun has said, on several occasions, that she would keep the alliance with Jee as long as it served her purposes.

Of course, *I* think that NOW is a perfect time to break up the Jee/Robert alliance. I would love to see Jee go first, since I suspect Robert will have a less than fun-filled week left with only women in the house. I also doubt that he can win any HOH comps, so Robert would be next to go.

I do agree that both Jee and Robert need to be out of the house as soon as possible. If either of the two are in the F2, no one else will win. There are too many who will be on the jury who will vote the X Factor alliance, rather than anyone else. I do think Nathan would vote for one of the males, too.

Costacat

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Come back, Myjohnhenry! You HAVE to post some more! Now that you've done it once, well, heck! You can't just do it once! <grin>

Shoegalnj

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 01:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jeebert isn't going to be too happy when Ali gets nominated. They are going to know what the plan is for her to veto herself and then they both are up. I'll be glad to see the back of either of them.

Fruitbat

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 04:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Helgapataki, yep :) I agree.

Lexie_Girl

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Pirate and Costa. I was starting to think I was the only one who remembered a comment Jun made a couple of weeks ago in the HOH bedroom to the J3 when she said she would stick with them until it got down to the last 4 or 5 houseguests... then it would be every man (or woman) for himself or herself.

Wanderer

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Ali is crazy to take a chance as Jun may put Erica up. Ali has to know that there is a chance that Jun is still hung up on Jee and is using all the badmouthing against him to throw the others off. She may want to take him to final 2 thinking (correctly so) that she can win and she will be doing him a favor by getting him the 2nd place money.

Lucymac

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I too think Jun knows the alliance with Jee has probably run it's course at this point. She might prefer getting rid of Robert, but she'll settle for Jee because she knows she has to get rid of one of them. And Robert is probably easier to oust once Jee is gone than vice versa. Jee might win HOH next week, where odds are Robert won't. She knows they would take each other to the final two and her only hope is either Ali or Erika taking her. And she has a better shot in the voting against one of them rather that against one of the Jee3. I think it's smart to put up Ali and force her to use the veto on herself. Ali has shown you can't believe her word, so I don't think she could be trusted to not use the veto on one of the guys. The interesting thing is I don't think Ali realizes the real reason Jun is doing it and instead is buying what Jun told her about doing it so Ali can't be bugged by the guys to use it on one of them.