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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Jee's New Plan: Archive through August 29, 2003

Lurknomore

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A HA...told you the Jun/Jee alliance was still going strong and she would twist it around some way. Glad to see I haven't lost my perceptive abilities. And Tabor...her deal with Jee has been longstanding. Nothing new there :)

Seeing the post I missed when I put this up edited to add, I think Jun thinks she can beat either Ali or Jee in the finals...especially after how horrid Jee was during his HoH week. I think her ideal is to make this the final 3, make sure both with take her if they have the power, and she sees that as the way to win.

Hamsterlady

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun telling Erika & Ali how she's gonna put up Ali & Robert. Ali will use the POV on herself and she'll put up Jee. Erika says she's nervous about that. Then Ali says she's not f***ing stupid like that and do a Marcellas.

C1mag

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What Jun is doing is keeping her word. She was FORCED to put jee up after Ali takes herself off. She will not keep both guys and the one too go will be Jee.

Cameltoes

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee is history. If anything, she is tying Ali's hands but there's no way Jun wants Jee in the house anymore. Whenever Erika and Ali have moved in the direction of getting Robert out, she insists Jee has to go first.

Lurknomore

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika should be nervous...if Jun didn't have any twist in mind she would just put up the boyz, have Ali not use the veto and that would be the end of it. Clearly that's NOT her game plan :)

C1mag

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Camel excellent point. Jun is making sure that Ali won't even toy with making a deal with one of the guys with that veto because as Jun pointed out weeks ago about Ali. She's scary in this game. So she will make her use it only on herself and jee goes home.

Meggieprice

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmm- she told Jee she will nominate Jeebert so there is no word to keep- I wonder about this... but I do not in my gut think Jun wants Jee in the house any longer.

C1mag

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk I disagree I think that Jun is tying alis hands so Ali won't make a deal and turn on her along with Erika. She won't betray Ali cause Jun can't compete for the next hoh and ali can and ali would turn on her in a second. This is Jun controling ali to make sure she doesn't make a side deal and then talk Erika into voting her way to gang up on jun the following week. Bravo JUN!

Jigglywigglyjun

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG i cannot believe Jee tried to threaten Ali again......

Who the hell does Jee think he is Bruce Lee or something??? Jee must go this week!!!!!

Lurknomore

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ah but C1 I disagree as to her motive. First we have her longstanding alliance with Jee. Second, as I posted in some other thread now she is looking towards the end and who she wants to be with not to mention who she thinks will take her there. I don't disagree that she is controlling Ali, but my money is on Jee being there after the next nomination after a few promises and swears etc. The only think that I think will chang this is if he doesn't shut up soon and keeps overplaying this hand and pisses Jun off. He needs to have a private, one on one with her for this to work.

At this point everyone, whether they admit it or not, is looking towards the end and who they think they can win against. And I think they are all smart enough to know no one can beat Erika at this point. And it's a big risk to leave her to the end in case she wins that last HoH and chooses who goes to finals with her.

I say no matter how this plays out we will see Erika or Robert going this week (unless Jee doesn't shut up lol). That's my prediction...time will tell if I'm right or not.

Meggieprice

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I disagree Lurk- any stooge in the final two has a guaranteed win. Jun will not keep Jee. They have said alliance ends at final five.

Kmjm

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Trust Jun to mix things up! The house was just too peaceful the past two days!

Tobor7

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If you tell the truth and the news is bad, then why is it a threat?

He is telling her that she will not get his vote at the end. That is the truth. He is also telling her that she can't win the big money-- no matter what. This is a truth we have all come to agree with as we have all talked about the various options. We viewers know it to be the truth.

So how is this a threat? It is the truth at this point in time.

He's not even saying for her to do something in order for her to get his vote.

If he was really playing hard (or to the mats as C1 says), he would tell her he would use All His Powers to convince Justin, Rob, and Dana and Nate to vote AGAINST her as well. (But he has not done that yet. And I certainly would have.)
His only shot is to convince her that he is more dangerous to her outside the house than inside the house. He knows he is gone anyway. So he has nothing to lose. Get her emotional and maybe she will think irrationally.

What else can he do at this point? (Well he will work on Jun of course-- but he should do it in front of them all and in front of the wall-o-pictures. Talk it through with all of them standing there and show them all that Ali can't win no matter who she is up against. Use this as a subtle way of telling them that Rob/Jee/Dana/Justin will vote as a block. 4 votes controls it.

This is all he has to trade with. This is the only real thing he KNOWS he gets to do.

Kmjm

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is great hilarity in the HOH right now as Ali tells Jun and Erika about her conversation with Jee. I don't think he convinced her to support him.

Lancecrossfire

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's a game--Jee is supposed to try to stay in!! Geez--and what is it with this threat crap Ali comes up with. He's not going to vote for Ali--not a threat--as Tobor said, just telling her ahead of time.

What's he supposed to do--stand there, say nothing, bend over and take it?

Crossfire

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I love Tobors plan, I'd love the drama such a presentation would create.

Tobor7

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Each person would have to try to COUNT four votes for them in the end. They will see that if both Rob and Jee are out of the house the 4-block vote will be the one to get. Keep either Jee or Rob for the final 2, then the block changes...

Plus Ali is saying things in the HOH room... she is saying things to them AS IF she she said it to Jee... but she did not. She WISHES she did, but she didn't. Why didn't she actually say these things to Jee? Because she somehow thinks she can get his vote? And this whole POOR thing... why she should get the money? Please. (We all know you can't ever have enough money. LOL)

Csnog

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not so sure that Justin is in the pocket of Jee or Robert anymore

Justin could be THE key vote and he respects Jack.

Tobor7

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Once they start hanging out again the bond will be there. Ali will be trashed. Do you really think they will not vote as a block? Dana & Justin will be so tite.

This is like watching a football game between 2 teams I don't even care for. All I want to do is see a good game that comes down to the last play of the game. I don't really care who wins.

Tobor7

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah Lance. I just don't get all this use of the word "threat" as if he used some ethnic slur or something. All I can think of is that there is some BB rule that you can't make a "threat" to another HG. Maybe that is why Jee keeps saying it is not making a threat to her.

Interesting dictionary def #1 of THREAT:
"An expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage."

Tobor7

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee and Rob should not have left Jun alone with either of the girls. They should have made a plan for one of them to always be around her so she could not talk to the other girls alone at any time before noms. It would have driven them nuts!

Hamsterlady

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tobor, the only thing with that is that Jun's HOH. She can go to her HOH room any time she wants to. She can also decide who's in there if she wants. So, if Rob & Jee made that plan to always have one of them around her, eventually Jun would just go to her HOH room, tell them to leave, and invite the girls in anyway and shut the door.

Tobor7

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 03:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah Hamster. She would have to be that obvious about it. But if I were Jee I would press it up. "C'mon Jun. You got something to say, then say it to all of us." He has nothing to lose. He has to shake it up and hope something falls out.
or say... "Let me talk to you first Jun..." then take her outside and run through hours of memory lane about their relationship... start fake crying... just tie her up... hope for a lockdown... another delay. Keep pressing.

Hey... its gotta be better than just sitting there talking to Rob about the same crap.

They should have made a plan and they didn't really.

Myjohnhenry

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Jee is playing the game and my own humble opinion on the "threat" is that it is a level of a "threat" in the context of game playing that people do all the time. It is not a "life threatening/endangering" threat, but nonetheless is still easily construed as "I am going to do this to you if you don't do what I want" threat. (again a game players move)
That said, Ali is drama queening it as a game move for herself.

C1mag

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Erika goes she has both guys still playing for themselves and Ali gunning for her if she gets hoh. Yeah those wonderful dreamteam brothers will let Jun in the game. NOT! and she knows it. Jun has looked both girls in the face and said JEE GOES THIS WEEK. She doesn't play any different with comments like that. If she's trying to make a move she is always vague and says lets ride it out or lets go with the majority and then she trys to change the majority. She is being direct with this game move. jee will be out. It won't change. If she puts up Erika against Rob and yet she still boots Rob thinking it would be cool all of a sudden the Jun and Jee alliance sticks out like a sore thumb and you can bet both girls would nail jun if they got the next hoh. Jun does the numbers and the numbers say Jee goes this week. Whatever alliance she "thought" she had with Jee it's a done deal. She will even give him a fighting chance to make a deal by not initially putting him up. Then when she uses the veto and he is put up she will tell Jee it's in the girls hands. She even said she would put him up last week but said as far as she knew he was safe. It won't be her choice it will be the girls. She covered herself on every move. She controled the veto, and she was honest who was going AND she was FORCED to put up Jee and THEY voted him out not her. Jun gets my power play award for this week. Very well thought out move.