Did Alisons Father Really Tell Her To Use Her Body To Win The Game?
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Did Alisons Father Really Tell Her To Use Her Body To Win The Game?
Cagri | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 06:48 am     Catfat, your post cracked me up! On a more serious note, while I certainly wouldn't be surprised to learn that Alison's father told her that, we must also keep in mind that this may just be another one of Alison's attempts to justify her actions to her housemates. I wouldn't put it past her to make this up, just to show that SOMEONE approves of her actions. |
Maris | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:28 am     I remember when Alison was telling the HGs that her father said to do what she had to to win. Alison also said he was money hungry and all he thought about was money so his view was that she should do whatever she had to. |
Bracken | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:31 am     Closetfan, I have to take issue that because her father is a lawyer he is sleazy and condones her behavior. Just can't go there as my brother is also an attorney and so conservative he wouldn't even let my stunning 5'11" 17 year old niece wear any clothes that showed her mid-section unless it was a bathing suit and then he would have preferred she wear a one piece, lol. I think her family priorities have centered around the world of pageants. Consider the mentality of that type of person and you have someone uses their body (i.e. physical appearance) much more than we mere mortals, lol. I'm surely hoping that she is misreading her father's intent when he spoke with her, if not, it is a sad statement about her family's values. |
Iscreamer1 | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:03 am     Was Ali successful in these beauty pagents? I just don't see it. I cannot find one redeeming quality about her, not looks or personality. She is smart I will give her that but the rest of it I just don't get. |
Cliotheleo | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:09 am     Iscreamer, meet "Miss Greater Juniata Valley" http://www.misscentralpa.org/irwin.htm |
Kaili | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:29 am     Hmmm...some of those pictures are good, some aren't. From what I have noticed, and I'm not into pageants at all but I see the pictures in the paper now and then, they aren't always the most beautiful girls in them and most of them have about a 2 ton block of makeup on. You don't have to be model material to win a pageant. And Alison is actually a lot better looking than the other girl in those pictures, in my opinion. Not model material, but not ugly either (except when that personality gets in the way...) |
Cliotheleo | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:35 am     Since when have models been attractive? |
Tabbyking | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:37 am     every time i read costacat's 'ewwwww', i picture the scene from 'animal house' where all the girls say it! come to think of it, i really loved animal house, it's the big brother house that isn't that great! when i was at my mom's this summer, several of us piled on her bed to watch bb, because we had been camping and missed a couple of episodes. my mom was disgusted with us grown-ups. "how can you watch this garbage?" and a minute later, as she passed through with a load of towels, "i really hate alison." okay, mom. do you watch this, or not?! |
Cagri | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:47 am     LOL Tabby, great post! |
Kalekona | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:48 am     Why does Ali think she needs to use her body to win? As it hasn't been necessary in the past.. yes lisa had a thing with Eric but that wasn't to get ahead in the game. To date none of the HG to make it far in the game has used sex to get there. This says a lot about ali's own self estem... She says she is smarter than anyone in the house and yet must use sex to get farther along, how very sad is that. Is this what the pagent life taught her? I know it is why she can so easily turn on the tears and stab you in the back while telling you how much she loves you.. Ali is nothing but a sad spoiled child, who is wasting her chance at ever being taken seriously as a lawyer.. |
Cliotheleo | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:51 am     I'm sorry, apparently I've been living in a cave. I didn't realize Ali has had sex with anyone in the house. I thought that was Dave and Amanda. And before you say you meant she was using sex APPEAL ('cause I realize that's what you mean) let me remind you that it was MICHELLE who mentioned the same thing a LONG time ago. So this was not an idea unique to the former Miss Juniata Valley. |
Kalekona | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:56 am     Well i don't remember Michelle making out with or coming on too every guy in the house. |
Curtisahahahaha | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:01 am     Hey! We're talking about a half-million dollars here. Come on! You gotta use what you've got! |
Cliotheleo | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:05 am     Ali has come onto EVERY guy in the house? She came on to Jack? Jee? Scott? She's made out with Dave and Nate and she's TRIED to make out with Justin. I think we're stretching the truth here just a leeeeeeetle bit.  |
Kalekona | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:05 am     if she has the brains she says she does why not use that instead of her sex appeal? |
Cliotheleo | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:06 am     Because she's SMART enough to use her sex appeal. |
Kalekona | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:11 am     but she wasn't SMART enough to think about the jury.. so the only thing her sex appeal did was get nathan to veto her. (a smart move, but one she almost screwed up because she didn't think about what nate would do when she tried to seduce Justin in the hot tub... not so smart) |
Cliotheleo | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:20 am     Well, while the game isn't over yet, I think her lack of votes will be due to her "floating" more than her flirting. (not clear if that's what you're arguing or not) |
Goddessatlaw | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:37 am     Did you guys have an "Allison is so SMART, according to her" conversation? If so, I missed it and I'm sorry about that. I'm so sick of hearing her talk about how smart she is. In my experience, I've learned that anyone carrying on about their goodies are the least likely to be packing. The defensive "I am TOO smart." It's like saying "Trust me, blankety blank blank yaddabling." You may as well be wearing a sign around your neck saying "I am truly a dumb*ss but you're too stupid to live if you don't realize it" (the former) or "I lie for a living and I think you're too stupid to realize it" (the latter). Allison may go to law school, but I'd wager she'll go just to find a husband and then drop out right before she's asked to leave for cause (poor grades, shagging a prof in the library study room, whatever). |
Charvie | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:39 am     She did sit on Jee's lap in her bikini and let his hand rest on her upper thigh near her butt. |
Cliotheleo | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:45 am     Oh well THAT changes everything, I agree with you Kale, what a ho that Ali is! (ha ha, kidding) |
Wendo | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:49 am     ROTFLMAO at Clio! Good one!!! |
Seamonkey | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:51 am     GAL.. I think others in the house say Ali is smart, but, as Jack points out, what she has is a photographic memory for details (and we can observe that she is almost obsessional about anticipating potential questions and cramming answers into that busy head of hers. She also quizzes the others for life details. |
Kalekona | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 10:24 am     but seamonkey she is so focused on Ali that she doesn't know the other HG.. look at the HOH she lost because of her own self centeredness..It shows us something huge about her.. While also showing a side to robert noone wants to admit.. the guy took the time to really know these people and what they are about.. he may not remember the details about things that have happened but he knows the house guests.. Ali spent to much time on the surface stuff and didn't bother to get underneath it all and it might cost her the game. |
Seamonkey | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 10:30 am     Tis true!! To her, when she asks about someone's family, it is just to catalog data. But Erika and Robert broke the tie with a question where Erika was within 6 and Robert was off by 600.. not a huge mental win.. |
Steveh | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 10:52 am     Justalittlebean & Sea Monkey - THANK YOU. I'm not the only one who strongly believes that Ali is not "playing the game" at all; she's just being herself. Her ex-boyfriend--who seems like a fairly decent person?--has told others in the house that she's a "pathological liar" and she certainly has behaved like one in the house. Yes, all players do (or probably should if they don't) lie to further their BB agendas, but the great % of Ali's lies are completely gratuitous. Check out her avowed plan for "playing the game" at her bio page at CBS and then look at what she's done. She's careened around the house, acting in the moment, she's good at self-preservation and self-centerdness, but that's not a strategy. Much of the nasty things she's done and said were not necessary to her staying in the competition. She's said she "hates" every other competitor at least 10 times, for example. Puzzled - sorry, but I disagree about Ali's circumstances not giving her a chance. I think most people have it in them to rise above their home lives, no matter how dire. But you are right: the parents have contributed greatly to who she is. Their few minutes of screentime last week was very telling IMO. Her parents (probably) haven't given her a chance, but that doesn't mean she can't make her own chances. Just from the few minutes I saw of him, I'd have to say her dad struck me as a person who could say something like he supposeBly has to his daughter. Iscreamer - I can't find any redeeming qualities about her either BUT I also don't think she is "smart." I am not saying she's stupid, but she has, in my opinion, fairly pedestrian intelligence that can sometimes be enhanced--esp. in a BB like situation--via complete self absorption coupled w/ total amorality. She's also obsessive and able to fixate on details that others typically find trivial (in the BB house, sometimes the latter are, but sometimes they aren't & this has worked to her advantage). Goddessatlaw - I don't think Ali has what it takes to get into law school. For favorite book at her bio page she lists "None." (I'm wondering if she listed "Cosmo" and then someone told her that wasn't a book?) I don't think she'd do well at those logic puzzles featured on the LSAT either? Her powers of concentration and focus are sometimes sorely lacking. She has claimed that she's thrown a few competitions, but it looked more to me like her mind just started drifting, she gave up and then floated the idea that she "threw" it (cf--the past HOH comp.). Her repeated RL police blotter appearances won't help w/ her LS admission applications either. It's been my experience as an educator that people who feel compelled to announce/pronounce over & over "I'm smart" usually aren't. In the same vein she seems to have more of a sense of the dynamics of BB or what they should be and seems to be aware of successful strategies in prior shows, but it's like if this information were in a book, Ali has only looked at every other page (there's that attention span issue again) so she offers us--as regards recent HOH strategy and her repeated mantra to other players: "you can't lose to me in the finals"--instead of Will II, kind of a mini-Will or half-Will "strategy" w/ important components missing. I find utterly fascinating her various tics, pathologies and outbursts that others perceive as intelligence and/or game strategy. |
Cagri | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 12:36 pm     You summed it up well Steveh. I got the same impression from her parents as well. I felt her comment regarding the location of Jun was telltale. "I am thinking maybe Washington D.C, because Washington is the Apple State."
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Iscreamer1 | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 05:22 pm     Thx for the link Cleo..I still don't see it. Steveh maybe instead of intellegent I should say she is quick witted, which in the real world can compensate for allot. I think what they allow us to see of her diary room is very telling and I am sometimes surprised at just how astute she is. I am often surprised at just how vulgar, cruel and mean spirited she is. I wonder if she'd lend me her magic mirror. |
Earthmother | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 06:06 pm     A girl who behaves the way Ali does had to learn this behavior from somewhere..no surprise to me that her father would tell her something like that. |
Cowgirldiva | Friday, September 05, 2003 - 11:05 pm     Hi all! Have been reading most of the season and decided to finally post on this thread. Ali has actually represented 3 counties in PA, so I loved her getting makeup hints from Erika on tonight's show. Our hometown paper is featuring a column on her after the airing of shows. I am sure when it started they thought she would be representing Meadville in a much better way. As my hubby says, Sharon Stone, you and Alison - what is in that water? |
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