Robert just told Jee to make sure sequestered hg NOT give ANY votes to Alison
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Robert just told Jee to make sure sequestered hg NOT give ANY votes to Alison
Eeyoreslament | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:01 am     I think I've said this in other threads, but it applies here too. Ali KNOWS she's not going to WIN the game, and she is now playing for the 50grand. To her aid, she has played such an evil game that all of the remaining HG's would be idiots if they DIDN'T take her to the final with them. So anyone who feels the need to "campaign" against Ali in the sequester house is clueless to their real position against her. As much as I hate it, Ali is pretty much guaranteed the second place prize. No more need for debates on her game-worthiness, or who should campaign against her, or whose votes would go where in the finals. Basically we just have to wait until the final three HOH competition to see who gets booted. That HOH will win the whole thing. My final comment: If Ali WINS the 500grand, based on people giving her kudos for truly playing the game, I will think that they cast the same idiots who voted for Jenna in Survivor. |
Spunky | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:07 am     What Robert doesn't know is that Ali is aiming at 2nd spot not 1st. She knows she has too many enemies to get the 1st prize. So, she'll be happy with the 50k. Robert may say that because he hopes to be in the finals with Ali and get all the votes.. fat chance. |
Crazydog | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:12 am     A nightmare final two for me would be Robert and Ali. Ugh. I don't think I'd even watch if it came down to that. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:18 am     Crazydog, Ali and Nate will vote for Erika to won over Jun. Ali's made that clear. Nate wasn't too fond of Jun. Rob has said he'd give Erika the money before Jun or Ali. Now, Rob could change his mind; but at this point, Erika would have Rob's vote. I think Erika would win if she were F2 with Jun. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:21 am     Arnold Shapiro actually made reference to Roddy influencing the vote last year( by campaigning ) in one of his interviews. It did happen. I think the most interesting aspect of this is that if Robert wins HOH he wil not nominate the person who promises to evict Ali. That will be his goal. |
Spunky | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:32 am     Can the finalists "annul" or "void" or "veto" one of the jury votes?? |
Sweetpea1994 | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:33 am     Sure and the fact that Danielle talked trash about everyone in the Diary Room had nothing to do with it right? Her Diary Room entries were mean and nasty and she admitted she was lying the whole time. That is why she lost, not because something Roddy said in an interview. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:34 am     They didn't do that last year Spunky- though they did when Will and Nicole faced off. |
Spunky | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:36 am     Oh shoot... I was wondering why Jun asked Jee if he was going to give his vote to Robert if he was int the finals. He said "yes, why" and she "just asking". |
Jdel | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:36 am     I wouldn't put it past Jee to half-heartly campaign for Jun if she's in the f2. And then hit her up for part of the prise money - I can picture him telling her she should do that because he "helped" her win it by getting her votes He's such a piece of work. |
Watching2 | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:43 am     Jdel - But Jee DID put his life on the line for Jun!!! What more could she ask from him?!! LOLOL  |
What555456 | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 10:12 am     What amazed me last year and will amaze me again this year if Ali is in the final two and loses because of the way she has manipulated the game is how personal the HG's take everything. If I were on the jury, I think the primary criteria I would use to decide who to vote for would be how well they played the game. To me, Jun and Ali have played the game the best so far -- with Ali coming out on top. Why do I think she has played so well? Because time and time again I have been sure she has made a fatal mistake and time and time again she has come out on top. She has won competitions when she has needed to and has aligned herself both overtly and covertly very well when she has needed to -- and has turned on a dime if she needed to in order to move on to the next round. I do NOT like Ali as a person and do not care if she wins or not. In fact, I have very little respect for her as a person. However, I think she has played one helluva game and if the vote were today, I think she should win it. Now, she could have a meltdown and screw up in these final three weeks, but if she keeps her wits about her and continues to play as she has, I think she deserves to be in the final two and deserves to win. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 10:16 am     Sweetpea- It was an Arnold Shapiro interview- Roddy's manipluation of the vote was one of the reasons they went to sequester this year.It was a factor, obviously not the only one. I am answering only that issue, I did not want a Dani debate, etc. |
Maryk | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 10:27 am     If Arnold did say that, then he is full of crap. Marcellas was already way bent out of shape about Danielle when he got out that he went to Amy's chat and told her about Dani's ways. Gerry already had his eyes open when he saw the show - he said so in his interviews. Maybe Roddy's influence got Josh's vote but the others were well on their way to judging Dani's behavior own their own. Maybe instead of 9-1, she would have lost 7-3 if not for the supposed Roddy influence and I think I'm being generous. |
Crossfire | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 10:27 am     I would like to see that interview. As it stands, I am not buying it except for perhaps one vote which would not have made any difference in the outcome. Through evicted house guest interviews, it was apparent to me that they came to their conclusions independently. I also read either in interviews or chats, where some guests were asked this question, and denied it. Finally, if collusion was really the issue, ASP's 'solution' of sequestering the HG's together is laughable. The one vote I cannot for the life of me explain though, is Josh who seemed to think Dani was the bomb, but then voted against her. |
Cricket | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 10:28 am     I have to agree with you What. Meggie, good for Arnold not to show the DR; however, the sequester is useless with everyone there together. Look at Robert telling Jee to get everyone against Ali. I think Ali's best chance would be against Jun. I do believe Nate would vote for Ali over Jun, as might Erika and Jack and Robert. Hey, if Justin was smart, he would too. Ali still likes him and she might buy him a car or something should she win the big money. Ooooohhhhh, wouldn't Donny just love that, lol...she'd have to buy both of them a car. Ha! Ha! |
Crazydog | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:45 am     I still don't believe that Roddy had any huge part in Danielle's devastating defeat. I agree - maybe Josh's vote, but everyone else was well on their way to voting against Danielle. It would be nice if we saw a link to that interview, because I could simply say that I read such and such and months later another board on the internet could be taking it as gospel. I still believe that Danielle fans are making excuses for her loss - it wasn't Roddy. It was her. And talking amongst voters on reality shows is NOT a new concept. The people on Survivor are all sequestered together, and there has never been any allegations of vote collusion. Why is Big Brother any different? If Arnold Shapiro truly wants the houseguests to avoid talking to and influencing each other's vote, then they should all be sequestered individually. As far as why BB people take things so personally - I think it has a lot to do in the manner Danielle and Alison have gone about it. They act like they are the sweetest things but then they are only too quick to bury the knife in your back. I think the houseguests have felt / feel utterly betrayed by these two women. Will lied to everyone and nobody took it personally, because he never pretended that he was their friend. |
Sweetpea1994 | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:23 pm     Well said Crazydog. You can't stab people while being nice to their face and expect them to vote for you. |
What555456 | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:31 pm     As far as why BB people take things so personally - I think it has a lot to do in the manner Danielle and Alison have gone about it. They act like they are the sweetest things but then they are only too quick to bury the knife in your back. I think the houseguests have felt / feel utterly betrayed by these two women. Will lied to everyone and nobody took it personally, because he never pretended that he was their friend. I understand this, dog. I realize this is the dynamic in the house. I just do not understand why. Except for this year when the pairs of exes knew each other, these people come on this show as individuals and know they each competitors for $500,000. This is why they are there, after all. Why is it everyone forgets this and decide their competitors are their great friends -- rather than just allies of convenience? Why do they forget that the purpose is to get to the end and win the money -- which by its very nature requires people to have to go after others? I cannot imagine these people make close intimate friends that fast in real life. Why would they expect it to be any different here -- especially with 1/2 million bucks on the line? Don't you think they would be able to put 2+2 together and see what the reality not only is -- but must be in this house? I think it is probably a matter of being sore losers pr maybe even embarrassed -- they were beaten fair and square but want to blame someone else for their losing, not blame themselves for being taken in. Maybe I would do the same thing. But damn, there has to be a point at which you sit back and admire a well crafted strategy and give credit where credit is due. |
Crossfire | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:33 pm     Exactly, that has been my theory as to what happened. People left the house cheering for her as a friend, then found out that things were not as they seemed. That would be a hard emotion to stifle. It's the people closest to you that can cause the most harm. |
Crossfire | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:44 pm     Why is it everyone forgets this and decide their competitors are their great friends -- rather than just allies of convenience? Well that is a lot of what this game is all about. It would be hard, very hard to be on your game for three months and not slip up. As a human, if I had to live with someone for that length of time, and its not just casual close quarters like at university, but confined together for that length of time, we either need to become friends, or else....(thinking nasty things) |
Muse | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:48 pm     Well, I liked Danielle, but I can't stand Alison. I think both really focused on playing the game. And you know -- I don't fault them for that. But while I felt like Danielle did have some reasonable limits (she was upset when Roddy made Amy feel bad, she turned on Marcellas only when she realized he had turned on her, etc) and had some loyalties (loyalty to Jason throughout), I can't say the same about Ali. I also feel like Danielle is basically a decent person who had some flaws (like the trashtalking), but mainly did what it took because she wanted to win the game. Alison's moves often seemed part game, part spitefulness and pettiness. I wouldn't trust her in or out of the house. My dislike of her stems more from her attitude and personality, not her game moves. I think of Jun being more like Danielle, actually. She's also the one benefiting from the sequestering of the jury, just like Danielle would have. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:22 pm     DUMB! Jee and Robert DUMB!!!!! ............ they're sitting there talking about how they don't want Ali to go to the final two because, essentially, they don't like her and how she must be the next to go. ANOTHER example of HGs playing with their EMOTION and not their heads! The SMART choice would be to take Ali to the finals because there is little chance that she would beat anyone else! DUMB GENTLEMEN!!! DUMB!!!! .......... ok, just had to get that out. I feel better now. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:26 pm     Well, Robert just said that he knows he can't convince Erika and Jun to dump Ali because of the very reason I listed above. So he KNOWS the logic in keeping Ali and STILL doesn't want to do it. (shaking my head in disbelief) |
Philamom | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:28 pm     I liked Dani, too, but I dislike Alison. I saw some redeeming qualities in Dani that made up for some of the things that she did. I've really been trying to find something good about Ali, but I don't see it. I'm looking for the "humanness" in Ali--some compassion, some concern, some loyalty ... anything. It's just not there. I think one of the big differences between Dani and Ali is that Dani, in my opinion, could have won last year if not for her DR entries. Ali, on the other hand, does not have a chance of winning even without the evicted HGs seeing her DR entries. As for Robert telling Jee to tell the rest of the evicted HGs not to give Ali any votes -- I don't think it matters what Jee says to them. They'll all come to that conclusion on their own anyway. |
Prisonerno6 | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:34 pm     Here's the thing as far as I'm concerned. You don't have to be friends with someone to treat them with respect. You can be in competition with people and still behave with civility. You can even lie about the game and not make it personal. Ali has done none of those things, in my opinion. She has been disrespectfuly, uncivil, and personally dishonest about everyone in that house. That ain't good sportsmanship, in my book |
Crazydog | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:34 pm     I don't think it was just the DR entries that did Dani in. It was also the things she said in the house to other HGs behind someone's back. I remember all those trash talking sessions she would have with Marcellas, particularly the ones where she cut down Tonya. And Amy. It wasn't just in the DR that Danielle ran her mouth. I would have been more sympathetic for Danielle if it truly was just her candidness in the DR that lost it for her, but it wasn't. It was her overall two-facedness in AND out of the DR that did it. |
Prisonerno6 | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:37 pm     "It was her overall two-facedness in AND out of the DR that did it." Yup, yup, yup. And that's what is doing Ali in as well. |
Bigd | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:59 pm     Please remember when you are comparing Alison and Danielle, there is a big difference in age, and obviously maturity and life experience. Perhaps Ali doesn't have the benefit of knowing how to treat people yet???? And yet her game alone on its merits is no different than Will's, we just liked him based on his personality and funny antics. I think Allison is a dumb, inconsiderate kid, but she does well at this game and I could give her my vote if I were there. Very well said What555456!!!!! Thanks! |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 02:12 pm     For me personally, a big difference between Ali and Dani is that Ali has no alliance that she is loyal to, whereas Dani was always loyal to Jason. You got to see a soft and more genuine side occasionally. Ali is always acting, always false, always plotting, always playing the game. That is the thing that has kept me from fully supporting her though I have to admit she has played one heck of a game. Thing is, the game is not the only thing I care about, I care about the person too. That is where she lost me. |
Scandalousplaya | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 02:31 pm     Right now the hgs can only go with what happened in the house. When most of the BB3 hgs left the house; they thought Dani was this great person. She fooled them all. They didn't have a clue how mean she was when it came to that game. Her bio stated perfectly, "I will be as fake as my implants." Unlike Ali's bio where Ali claims to be honest (rolling eyes). Dani was good at fooling the hgs, but Ali isn't fooling anybody now. Obviously the Dream team felt betrayed. There really aren't any surprises with Ali. They know she's devious, but yet she is still there. Yes Dani lost not only because of her drs but because of her trashtalking also. Because we all know that she was the only hg that trashtalked (sarcasm). Just know if Ali makes it to the end and the hgs decide to give her the money...they will have regrets. If they decide not to give her the money then they won't have any regrets. Time will tell. Im just curious if any of these hgs thind Dani should have won the game. If some of them think so then we may be in for a surprise. |
Pantageas | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:32 pm     Danielle lost because of her gloating DR sessions. Plain and simple. It was obvious to all that she was gloating in her DRs, and being so businesslike in her manner toward making final 2, that it was clear to all that most of her friendly overtures were 'as fake as her implants'. That being said, I thought she played the best game overall; but the winner is determined by those you play with. Just because you played the best, in and of itself, doesn't mean that you SHOULD win a game like this. The reason for the sequestering is to make sure the Jury doesn't see the DRs. After last year, who would EVER be honest and truthful about ANYTHING in a DR session if you knew the Jury would see it? And "fake" DRs would mean the end of BB. TPTB saw this and made sure the HGs could keep the DRs as honest and entertaining as possible. And Scandalousplaya, LOTS of the BB4 HGs said Dani should have won last year. But the difference is how much one appreciates "good gameplay" when you are the one BURNED by it...! |
Spunky | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:36 pm     And not it looks like Mastah Robert will make sure Ali doesn't even get the 50k..as he said earlier. He's HOH and he rules... Oh, how the mighty have fallen!!! |
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