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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Is Nathan a metrosexual?: Archive through August 06, 2003

Missy2

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I love that Nathan laughs when they question his sexuality. I think its great! I love him if he's gay or straight! :)

Draheid

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting details about the term here: Wordspy.com: Metrosexual

An article on MSNBC.com here: The Metrosexual Makeover

Even Bomis' (the host of TVCH) Wikpedia says: Metrosexual

Note: this is just a couple found when using google to search for the term.

Hope this helps.

Laisey

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Draheid, Thanks. Urban life style, that explains it. Here's the definition if anyone else is curious:

metrosexual

(MET.roh.sek.shoo.ul) n. A dandyish narcissist in love with not only himself, but also his urban lifestyle; a straight man who is in touch with his feminie side.

Lovedana

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
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In any case, Draheid, that's a great link. I hope people click on the first link. The etymology seems very interesting. It fits exactly my suspicion. It didn't made sense to me that people would be formulating an all new vocabulary when one already exists to describe a guy that's "in touch with his feminine side." There's sissy, effeminate, etc. already. So I deduced that "metrosexual" likely had more meaning. I guess that goes to prove that words lose their originality when they're recycled over and over by means of circulation.

I'll take Mr. Simpson's definition. The emphasis on the word seems to be narcissism displayed through his urban lifestyle, not whether he's straight or gay or bi:

"He might be officially gay, straight or bisexual, but this is utterly immaterial because he has clearly taken himself as his own love object and pleasure as his sexual preference."

Using that definition, I am reminded of Marcellas. And Nathan very much fits that definition.

Max

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So it sounds like metrosexual is just a newfangled term for narcissist (however you spell it). Hmmm. come to think of it, maybe they created that word precisely BECAUSE no one could remember how to spell narcissist!

Delilah

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 02:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Max and Squared

Grooch

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What's wrong with the old word that they used to use? Fop.

Main Entry: 1fop
Pronunciation: 'fäp
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English; akin to Middle English fobben to deceive, Middle High German voppen
Date: 15th century
1 obsolete : a foolish or silly person
2 : a man who is devoted to or vain about his appearance or dress :

Maris

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 02:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can go with Fop.

Laisey

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 02:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Grooch, fops don't have to live in an urban setting, metrosexuals do.

Grooch

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 03:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, then that's discrimination then! Grrr.....

Charjo

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To heck with hand massages and foot therapy. Give me the man with the lawn mower and weed-eater. Now, that's the kind of metrosexual I want!

Ocean_Islands

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 03:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Are women narcissist because they go to the nail salon, Max?

Max

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 03:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's not what I was referring to, OI. I was referrring to the definition proffered of the term metrosexual and saying that I think the definition sounds pretty much synonomous with narcissist. :)

Personally, I think this whole labeling business is a bit over the top.

Beruthiel

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 04:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From a thesaurus:
Fop: dandy, dude, swell, buck, coxcomb, macaroni, exquisite, and 'gay blade'. Slang: toff, snappy dresser, Dapper Dan, Beau Brummell, etc.
The type has always been around, just the description changes with the times. Since Narcissus comes from Greek Mythology, the type has a very long history! Nathan would have been quite at home in classical Greece.
I'd disagree though that they aren't restricted to metropolitan life, because most rural dwellers didn't have the time nor the resources to fart about looking good all day, LOL!

Laisey

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 04:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK. One more time - urban lifestyle. (I thought the metro had to mean something.)

(MET.roh.sek.shoo.ul) n. A dandyish narcissist in love with not only himself, but also his urban lifestyle;

Grooch

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 04:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like the word dandy also. :)

Beruthiel

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 05:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But I thought Nathan was from a small town?

Laisey

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 05:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just be careful that the dandy is not also a cad.

Laisey

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 05:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Beruthiel, he is. Shall we have a vote on whether he is a fop or a dandy, since he can't be a metrosexual?

Costacat

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 05:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From Salon.com:

Quote:

The typical metrosexual is a young man with money to spend, living in or within easy reach of a metropolis -- because that's where all the best shops, clubs, gyms and hairdressers are. He might be officially gay, straight or bisexual, but this is utterly immaterial because he has clearly taken himself as his own love object and pleasure as his sexual preference. Particular professions, such as modeling, waiting tables, media, pop music and, nowadays, sport, seem to attract them but, truth be told, like male vanity products and herpes, they're pretty much everywhere.

For some time now, old-fashioned (re)productive, repressed, unmoisturized heterosexuality has been given the pink slip by consumer capitalism. The stoic, self-denying, modest straight male didn't shop enough (his role was to earn money for his wife to spend), and so he had to be replaced by a new kind of man, one less certain of his identity and much more interested in his image -- that's to say, one who was much more interested in being looked at (because that's the only way you can be certain you actually exist). A man, in other words, who is an advertiser's walking wet dream.


Beruthiel

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 05:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Laisey, I'm voting for dandy rather than fop, because then he can be a "yankee doodle dandy", while 'fop' sounds more British, if you know what I mean, LOL!

Seanflynn2003

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 05:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Nate is sequestered in Cancun, would he be considered a Mexisexual?

Laisey

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 05:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Beruthiel, LOL. I've been wondering if anyone would realize yankee doodle was a dandy.

Katlady53

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 05:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Heck, at this point, I'd settle for a total slob so long as he cut my grass and took out the trash.

Beruthiel

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 05:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL! I'm just wondering why no one jumped on that mention of 'gay blade', after all the chat on the topic!