The SMARTEST BB4 player
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The SMARTEST BB4 player
Fluff | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:04 am     Jun. I was totally surprised by her nominations last night. |
Jan | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:09 am     hmmm Fluff..then you haven't been reading the LFP's. Jun told Ali that she would do this as soon as Ali told J that the boys had asked her to try to save one of them. Jun told Ali and Erica that she would put Ali up so that she would not be pestered by the boys...so it was not at all a surprise to Ali, nor is she angry about it. and re who is the smartest player...my kudo's go to Jun (although I really like erica and would like her to win) |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:10 am     Jdel, I think Jee is rather pissed Rob is staying in the game while it seems like he's headed out the door tonight. Before Justin was evictiont was sure, Jee said to him on the couch that maybe they should cut Rob lose since he hadn't done much to get where he is. (And I agree, he hasn't. There's just been bigger targets.) And, I completely agree that he's arrogant when he wins and a complete sore loser when he loses. The worst kind of competitor. Smartest BB4 player? Too early for me to call with certianty. I think Erika, Ali, and Jun have been playing smart games. Jee, um no since he's about to exit. And Rob, see above. |
Deb833 | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:24 am     I too was surprised at her noms (not last night, because I read about them here)but I thought the speech she gave for her reason for nominating Ali was brilliant and right on the mark. I also didn't care much for Jun in the beginning because of what I thought at the time was her being conceited but I now realize was her weird sense of humor. She is very funny and her humor is most times subtle. Like last night on the show when they were eating the pie. Robert said to Jee, you can thank Jun she told them boysenberry. Jun then says, I told them poison berry....they f***ed it up. |
Jdel | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:28 am     I've noticed that Jee doesn't spend quite as much time with Robert these days and when he does he seems to try to get Robert workded up. Didn't June tell Jee that unless Robert does something really stupid...just the way he's been behaving lately. Like I've said before - it's too bad the stronger players get put out first - Justin was the "dream team" and he could have won it had he alligned with better teammates - ones that could keep it secret until later in the game. Dave never even got a chance to really play the game so I don't know what kind of player he would have been. Best player for me is a toss up between Erika and Jun (I just think Erika has been a classier act). Ali running 3rd - though I have to give her credit - she has positioned herself really well to get to the finals with any of them - they all think she is the best one to go against to win. So whether planned or not - good player or not I expect to see Ali there to the end. |
Spunky | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:30 am     I wouldn't use the word "smart" but "conniving", and that is Jun, absolutely. Ali's love for intrigue makes her excellent at this game... but you have to do it without making too many enemies. Jun succeeded in this but Ali didn't as she has more enemies who don't want her to win the big prize. The fact that she only wants the 50k may make her more daring than Jun. |
Bastable | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 10:29 am     Jun. On top of everything everyone has already said, she always remembers it's a game and she never takes it personally. When there's a horrid twist, she throws her head back and laughs. Not only is that healthy, that's very intelligent, since it keeps her head in the game. |
Romans8_1 | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 10:53 pm     1. June 2. Allie 3. Erika 4. Jee |
Charvie | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:12 pm     I with great dismay have to say Robert. He figured out his players, he played on their weaknesses, using them as shields. He made sure never to reveal how strong of a player he is and was soo obnoxious that they kept putting off getting rid of him. He also saved winning until it was necessary. Never once betraying that he has been paying attention. ANd now he is in the final 3. This irrates me to no end, but he is the smartest player(stress on player) in the house. |
Romans8_1 | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:16 pm     You might be giving Robert a little too much credit. I think he just stumbled his way into the final 4. I really can't figure out what his stategy was. Not as a person, but as a strategy, I equate him to Lisa of last year. Just along for the ride. Although like Lisa, maybe now that he is on his own, we will see some real gameship. Lisa came on at the end, and maybe by Robert winning this, we will see a different Robert in the next couple of comps. |
Jdel | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:19 pm     Charvie - I think you give Robert too much credit - he didn't win HOH - Erika and ali lost it and gave it to him - hmmmm on purpose? I just can't buy into Robert having a brain or using it that well. He has been himself - crude, rude and utterly distasteful. |
Charvie | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:22 pm     The reason I give it to Robert is because when I saw how well he did at imitating Nathan I realized he'd been putting on an act this whole time. He has been paying attention, he knew who to have an alliance with. He never switched sides even when it would have been in his best interest. He knew they would never get rid of him until they had to. Lisa to me had the smarts to switch sides at the right tie when Danielle let her know if she didn't she'd get voted out. |
Jdel | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:32 pm     I'll try to keep an open mind and see how Robert does - though I'll find it hard to overlook his behavior for the last 60+ days. |
Cliotheleo | Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 12:19 am     Robert's trying VERY hard to get rid of perhaps the only HG he can beat. Nope, definately not giving the award to him! |
Rainwoman | Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 06:04 am     The only reason Robert became HOH was because Erika missed a few questions. She REALLY wanted to be HOH. Robert is only in the final 3 because of luck, and that Jee was more of a threat to win HOH than he was, and got himself evicted because of it. Maybe after the show, we'll see Robert at Space Mountain with Barry Drewmore eating caramel apples! |
Bluie | Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 06:20 am     Smartest player ~ Jun - subtle, and goes with the flow second smartest ~ Ali - although too obvious 3rd smartest ~ Jack - gone only because Ali figured out how smart of a player he was and pushed to get him out semi smart and lucky ~ Erika - lucky to have Obi Won Kenobi Jack there to enlighten her on strategy semi smart and lucky ~ Robert - lucky to have 2 loyal guys like Justin and Jee around to float him through |
Boberg | Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:21 am     Bluie would love to hear you expound on why you think Jack was Obi Won Kenobi smart! Jack was not able to talk the three stoogies into putting up Dana when he tried, he couldn't talk Rob and Jee into putting up Ali when he tried. He did not read Nathan well. He never noticed the things missing around the house when BB took them. He did not win anything and I don't think that was his strategy if he even had a strategy. Where in the world do you get your Obi Won Kenobi impression of Jack? By the way I love Star Wars! |
Romans8_1 | Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 02:58 pm     Bluie, I have to agree with Boberg. Going in, I think Jack was going to be tough. I really wanted to give him the smartest player award, at atleast rank him high. I really like the guy. I think he is very perceptive knows alot, but he made some very major mistakes. I think he alienated the whole other side. Jun and Allie recognized early that it was going to shape up to a 2 sided fight and took semi-neutral ground. Jake's mistake (as a non-ex) was in taking a side. Even when he started seeing the writing on the wall, he stuck with his side. Is he a loyal friend and ally? Yes. Good player... not necessarily. We was not near devious enough to make it to the end. He tried a little, but he was not sincere enough and nobody bought it. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, he just wasn't willing to do what it takes to win this game. |
Spyder | Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 03:17 pm     I agree with the posters who have Jun 1st and Ali 2nd. Ali is not very educated but she has a conniving, "street-smart" that has taken her far in this game. I still don't believe the collective IQ this year comes close to last year. (Now that would be a funny trivia question during a competition!) If Jun and Erika are as smart as they they think they are-- they should definitely take out Ali if they get the chance. Everybody who thought bringing Will along to the finals was a great idea, lived to regret it. (It seems players only remember the lessons from the LAST season !) It's funny. I don't really have anyone I'm rooting for this season, but I find myself intrigued at the end. |
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