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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Has the get rid of Justin plan changed?: Archive through August 15, 2003

Jigglywigglyjun

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok last night I heard Ali talking to Jack and Erika... about the stooges wanting to get rid of Jun, blah blah blah...

Has Ali really convinced Erika and Jack to keep Justin? OMG if they do this they will be walking right into Justin and Ali's plans!

This whole plan was cooked out by Ali just so she could keep Justin... I thought J&E where smarter then this.. I hope they do get rid of him!

What do you guys think?

Ryn

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
nope - Erika and jack won't change their plan.

But I think Ali will be working to get rid of Robert over Justin.

It may come down to votes, Erika needs at least 2 for Justin to go - then she can break the tie.

Problem is Erika only has Jack that she is 100% sure to vote her way. Assumeing its Robert & Justin up - Jun/Jee might decide to vote to evict Robert, Ali as well and boom - Robert goes.

Sasman

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ryn, if you are correct then E should nominate Justin and Jee. then jun will vote to evict justin.

Ryn

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Problem is Sasman that Erika THINKS Ali is solidly with them ;)

and they promised not to nominate jee.

What555456

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When is Ali going to realize that her relationship with Justin is OVER? He has made it clear he does not want her back. Would you? But she keeps living in this dream world, it seems.

Erica could get rid of Justin if she can get some of the others to tell Ali what Justin has said about her -- although her fantasy ridden mind might just discount it as something he said because of the game and not something he really means.

I cannot imagine Ali's boy friend is going to be waiting for her when she is out (unless, of course, she has $500,000 and he wants to enjoy it for a while. If she has it, then he'll wait to dump her).

Chy

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Ali is trying to get Jun on the block knowing that Erika is 100% going to put Justin on.

Ali probably knows that she can't control Jee+Jun's two votes if Jus+Rob are on the block. But if Jun can not vote or even "campaing" against Justin, then Ali may convince J3-1 to keep Justin.

I'm begining to believe that Ali, at least in her own head, has an alliance with Justin. If only out of: See, you shouldn't have dump me before. I'm good for you, I'll show you!!

Sasman

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
as i see it, the most important thing for E/J is to get one of the stooges out. it would be nice if it were justin but IMHO getting anyone one of them out is far, far more important.

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is where Jun can have a big impact, save herself perhaps for a couple weeks and earn her way to $500,000.
She needs to be the one to go to Jee, tell him that one of the three of them is definately out; Jack & Erika want Justin out, but the best way to do it (explain the Allison factor on PoV) is to have Jee & Justin up.
She will promise that she and Jack will vote off Justin, with if necessary Erika breaking the tie.
Jee will get a promise that if Jack or Jun gets HoH next week, Jee will not be nominated, and will be targeted by Jack & Erika only after Robert and Allison are gone.
Only problem I see is that Jun and Jee don't like to strategize together much (smart of them) so it could be difficult to discuss this. I believe Jee would keep quiet one way or another at least for the time being.

Crazydog

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There is no way Erika would nominate Jun. If she did that, Jun is out. Jack and Erika want to get out one of the stooges and the only way they can do that is to nominate two of them.

If I were Erika and Jack, I would explain to Jun that one of the stooges is going to go, and that Justin is a bigger threat than Robert. There is no way Robert or Justin would keep Jun over one of the rest of them.

As far as Jee, I don't know, I don't think they should have made that deal with him. It was obvious that Jee wasn't going to last that much longer anyways.

I hate Alison. I hate how she is flittering from alliance to alliance and I hate how she feels so influential in the house. She is the one they should trust the least.

Chy

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But perhaps Jee would vote to keep Jun if she were on the block along with Justin!

Boy! Now that there's only 4 votes left, it is pretty tricky to play the game. She might really become the easy target/excuse next week whatever she chooses to co now.
Erika better be careful. We know a lot more than she does about all the undercurrents and we don't know what to do either.

Nanc

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well now Allie ( the snake) is saying she is going to go with Jee and Robert and they need to get Jack out NOW. At first she was for the truce and to get Jun out, but now she is wanting to get out Jack and Erica.

Unless she is feeding them some b.s...but she sure is convincing Jee and Rob

Chy

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wait a second, Jun and Jee both have E+J's words not to be on the block this week. Stupid deal it may be, I have a feeling Erika likes being able to say: I have been honest..blah blah..

Was there a promise made to Ali?

Crazydog

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chy, yes. Ali said she would step out if Erika didn't nominate her this week, and that if Ali is HoH next week, then she will not nominate Erika. Of course, Ali's word is worthless. If Ali was HoH, I could definitely see her nominating Erika and Jack in a heartbeat.

Kmjm

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Who knows with Ali. Erika and Jack are hoping that they can convince Ali that the only way she has a crack at winning is if she doesn't go to the finals with any of Dana's allies, since they will dominate the jury. They have a good point, but whether they can get Ali to think rationally about it is questionable.

K9lover1

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Totally agree KM, ali doesn't think rationally. Lately she is worse than Jun with her waffling. It's almost impossible to know when she is telling the truth because she had me convinced she was one side and then on the other. So at this point, when it comes to Ali, I don't have a clue.

Pengoh

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Erika should use Jee as a pawn against Justin until after veto. What if Robert uses veto and saves Justin? Then she has to put up Jun or Ali and one of the girls will probably go.

Chy

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Crazydog.
I went back to the thread about the HOH comp. amd still wasn't sure. But different people talked about Ali & Jee's promise to not to use POV. Jee even okayed to be use as a pown should POV was used by others(Rob is the only possibility?).

So, Yay! Go ahead E+J, nom. Justin and Robert. J+J wouldn't veto them. If Jus got POV, they could still get rid of Rob. Not too bad.

As someone else suggested, Erika could simply say: Well, guys, since you two are the only two left yet to experience the taste....

Ryanc829

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I disagree with the statement that Erika thinks she has Ali solidly. She made at least one comment to Ali last night when talking about Jun that "When you play both sides you can be sure that both sides are playing you.", and then later hinted to Jack that she wasn't just talking about Jun.

Meggieprice

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali knows she will fare better against Jun in a final than against Erika or Jack. However, I think that is the only one she would fare better against because the stooges and Dana will decide who wins.

Meggieprice

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can someone reference me to when Jee told Erika he did not think he promised not to veto?

Kaili

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh! My! God! Why does anyonyone trust Ali!?!?!? This drives me buts watching her outside telling Jee to use the veto then telling Erika that he probably won't so they only have to make sure Justin doesn't get it. We need Jun to catch wind of this and blab! I just don't get why they trust that girl!

Cameltoes

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think anyone trusts her except for maybe Robert and that's mainly because they both desperately want Jun gone.

Meggie - not sure the exact time but it was earlier this morning.

Kmjm

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Ryan, during Erika and Jack's long discussion yesterday morning (before my power went out) it was clear that they are totally on to both Ali and Jun. They hope they can control Ali through an appeal to her self-interest. They don't think that they or Ali can win against Jun, and I think they are right. Dana and the boys would go for Jun over Ali, IMO.

Kaili

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Except outside Rob and Jee were telling Ali taht she's played the game and Jun has slid by so Ali deserves to win over Jun- the only vote they think Ali wouldn't have would be Dana.

Ryanc829

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kmjm - They made similar statements last night. But for some reason Jack is convinced that because Dana is in the jury and David is not, he will lose against one of the Jee3.