Bastable | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:11 pm     Yes, Mranon. As I posted earlier, BB rules explictly allow for religious observances, even if they technically counter a few minor rules of the game. |
Gidget | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:11 pm     Please don't start an indictment in this thread. Let's give it the respect it deserves, please? |
Ezgoing | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:11 pm     It is the deceased family member's favorite foods if available, plus the fruit and usually wine. The setup on the table and all the steps are very structured and hold symbolism. The reason the living partake of the drink at the end of the ceremony is based on the belief that the ancestors are connected to the living, and by sharing the offering, they share one another's spirits. |
Seanflynn2003 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:14 pm     During Prohibition churches were allowed to serve real wine That is precedent enough for me |
Jennywa | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:15 pm     I agree, Gidget |
Iscreamer1 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:15 pm     Thanks for the explaination EZ. I'd be very interested in any more info about the cermony you might have. |
Mranon | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:15 pm     well.. lol.. he did cap it off by trying to enter the house and saying "sh*t".. overall, I think he was happy to just be able to give his father his respect. Very nice to see. |
Thunder | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:15 pm     For the first time in four seasions of BB I feel like an intruder watching the feeds... No doubt BB will be exploiting this on Tuesday. |
Twiggyish | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:16 pm     I can't see how the show can capture the quiet simplicity of the moment. I just hope it's handled with some respect. |
Thunder | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:18 pm     Jee is done his ceremony and says he feels much better now. |
Jhezzie | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:19 pm     Also viewing pics no problem with dial-up and a smokin' Pentium II. |
Whit4you | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:19 pm     Thunder I agree I felt like a total intruder, wished he'd requested a bit of privacy.. as much as I would like to see the cultural thing and how someone else might grieve - I would have respected it.... sorta wishing I did but I dunno it honestly makes me feel a lil better to see someone live .. dealing with it like I do. (His small talk before and after etc are so typical me...) I hope he had his emotional needs met though, not being tied to a religon I don't know how he might be feeling if he had to comprise his beliefs for this show tonight. |
Ezgoing | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:20 pm     yw, Iscreamer. I only became aware of this very significant ceremony from dear friends in Hawaii who included me in their own family's annual observation for their grandmother who I loved as well. They honor all ancestors back to four generations--very respectful of their elders, their roots, connections. It is an honor to observe this folks...Jee most likely did not mind it being aired so that his family back home might be able to share it. |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:20 pm     I thought of my mom and dad, even though they weren't Buddhist, no matter. I left the feed where Nate was acting all uncomfortable. Jun couldn't have substituted.. she said she's Christian not Buddhist and sounds like Jee's mom wouldn't have liked that. Thanks so much for the screen caps!! |
Seanflynn2003 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:20 pm     Any sign of Jun? She shared Jee's father's passing with him; is she perhaps wanting to be alone with her thoughts? |
Cinder | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:23 pm     No Sean. She spent the time exercising and talking to Dana. at one point I switched to the audio and she was talking about how Erika would get fat. I did hear Jun say she was not allowed at other religious ceremonies because she is not Buddist. |
Jennywa | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:24 pm     Jun was doing leg lifts during the ceremony...and then gossiping with Dana et al. |
Squaredsc | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:25 pm     very touching ceremony. i don't have feeds so thx to those who provided the clips. |
Iscreamer1 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:27 pm     I really respect that and I really respect the fact that Jee shared this with the nation. It will be in education to many and a little insight into Buddism and the Korean traditions. I'm glad I was able to witness this moving tribute. |
Whit4you | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:27 pm     We need a dang after-care area here sigh.. |
Ezgoing | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:28 pm     I am not Buddhist nor Korean but have attended three such rituals---I believe it is intended that all present should have cared for the ancestor being honored (which is why I was included). Jun may not feel it appropriate for herself nor Jee--the family did not approve of their relationship (per Jun early in BB) so her attending would not be 'respectful'. |
Wadsters | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:30 pm     The moment belonged to Jee and Jee alone. What anybody did or didn't do, in the house or on the internet in a discussion group, had nothing to do with it. Wow, a couple of beers and Wadsters posts what he thinks!  |
Twiggyish | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:38 pm     A very insightful post Wadsters! |
Ezgoing | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:38 pm     I'm glad they showed the ceremony so Jee's family could witness it and feel part of it as well (this is normally done as a family group). I'm happier still that they have not tried to follow Jee now--give him his private time. |
Ryn | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:43 pm     I moved the 8 clips Mranon posted to the live feeds area sin no one posted any there (in case anyone is looking for more) |
Seanflynn2003 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:47 pm     So there is no confusion, my question about Jun was whether she had any emotion showing while she was doing whatever she was -- when I went to Quad cam after the ceremony, she wasn't on Just curious about her - I am rooting for her to win |
Wadsters | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:54 pm     Thanks Twiggyish, Seanflynn2003, sorry if my post seemed like a hit against questioning what Jun was doing. It was more a response to giving a thread respect on the net. The only exception being Dear Fly. |
Seanflynn2003 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:01 pm     No problem Wadsters Was concerned I might not have beeb clear Welcome to the world of posters - stay with it |
Rainwoman | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:53 pm     I must say that it is quite touching to see Jee honor his father like this. It is something I have never seen from that culture, and I am glad that BB chose someone from this ethnic group. I hope it will teach many others to respect their parents more, and to respect and learn from someone else's culture too. Jee looks so very nice in his dress pants, black dress shirt, and black belt, kneeling down on a pillow in front of his father's photograph. Very respectful, very touching to watch. |
Mranon | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 06:11 am     Ryn... good idea.. thanks. |
Kellee | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 09:18 pm     For all who were commenting on how BB will exploit this on Tuesday...somewhere in this thread it was posted from live feed that Jee wished for it to be shown ...so his family would know that he was sharing this with them...I am going to assume he meant on the show as well as on the internet feed... |
Thunder | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:55 pm     I heard that too, Kellee. But showing it and exploiting it are two different things and Jee wouldn't realize that since he's on the inside. I think that if they use footage from Jee's ceremony on the show, they will find some way to trash it up. Even if it means adding sappy music. The poignancy that I witnessed on the feeds was due in large part to the utter silence in the backyard while Jee celebrated with his father. CBS will use it and abuse it. |
What555456 | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:25 pm     While I think this year is the worst of all four BB's.... I think this was the most touching and beautiful event that has occured on any of the four BB's. Should it be shown on TV? Assuming it is given the respect it deserves and they show Jee's explanation of it, yes. Definitely. It would not hurt the average viewer to become just a little more educated and see some of the beauty of one of the great religions of the world -- one we know little about here in the US. |
Kaili | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 06:47 am     If I made the show and were to show it, i think I would show Jee in the DR talking about it- show maybe a few seconds of him doing it, and show others in the house saying nice/supportive things to and/or about him. I would keep the segment between 3-5 minutes. They probably will cheese it up a bit- but maybe they will be more understanding with it knowing that his family will be affected by how they edit it. If they show anyone making any negative comments- it'll really make them look like jerks. |