Archive through August 02, 2003
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Archive through August 02, 2003
Sunshyne4u | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:35 pm     I agree MIZ. For me the hypocrisy is evident when people profess to be Christians yet go to bars, get loaded, have regular premarital sex with various partners THEN GO TO CHURCH ON SUNDAY!! Yikes. There is no doubt they can't be even fooling themselves...however, I understand that the Catholic religion believes that you can do almost anything and as long as you confess it is "erased". Isn't it true that many Mafia are strong Catholics? ie you can even kill someone as long as you confess it later then You're okay. |
Mizinvanccouver | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:36 pm     Hi Trinity---Please....don't "hate to break it to me".....by all means speak....I opened this thread to find out about peoples perception on religion. Doesn't "break" anything of mine to hear what you have to say. I'm open to everyones input. Good to know Catholics are Christian in some eyes, I was just saying SOME don't want to be called Christian. Thank you for breaking down the religions for me, that's very interesting. I didn't know that. |
Twiggyish | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:39 pm     hmmmmmmmm...laaadddeeeedaaaaa keeping quiet..... |
Ocean_Islands | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:40 pm     I think they should put a Koran in the house. |
Puzzled | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:42 pm     Miz--that depends (doesn't everything?). If a person preaches against adultery and then runs into someone they just can't resist, then they may still believe adultery is wrong, but had a weak moment. If they continue to preach that it is wrong, but habitually "adulterate," or think it's o.k. for them, then IMO, they are hypocrites. If they keep up the bad behaviour, they should at least say something like, "Adultery is wrong, wrong, wrong, and I wish with all my might that I could overcome my impulses." Well, that's probably as clear as mud, but the best I can do. |
Mizinvanccouver | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:46 pm     Sunshyne--Yes, it makes me wonder why they go to church and act completely different during the week. I guess they're hoping going to church will help them feel grounded? Or they have a fear of going to hell? Sometimes I wonder if fear sometimes drives people to the church?? (Please note this is a question not a statement.) Yes, from what my Catholic friend tells me you feel less stress by making your confessional since you can leave it to rest at the church. I can understand this as I have been to therapy and basically you do that there too. You say how you feel your remorse, you learn your lesson and move on. Hopefully you won't repeat that lesson and learned it the first time. (I don't think the Catholic church condones killing people though. It's all how one percieves their religion, I think it's an individual choice how you want to read it.) Going back to imperfections, some people never learn but keep going back to "try" as others have mentioned on this thread. I guess religion to some is a light at the end of the tunnel. It's interesting what motivates people to adopt religion. People are so interesting *smiles* I love it!! |
Gina8642 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:50 pm     Wtacher - I too got the impression that they were laughing at everyone in the game, including themselves. It isn't a game the really brings out that christian values in anyone (which is why they were laughing, IMO). I don't think they were hypocrites. Nor, do I think Dana was being a hypocrite. She's a christian and she's trying. That's the whole point. And Yes, Catholics are chirstians. But no, there arn't only catholics and protestants. There are also Russian Orthodox. And, I believe there's another christian sect in Ethiopia that can't be characterized as either of these three. And another I heard about in Iraq. Sorry can't remember either's name off the top of my head. I sure there are probably others. I will agree that Protestants (including the thousands of sects that make up this general term), Chatholics, and Russian Orthodox make up the vast majority of christians. |
Gina8642 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:54 pm     O I - I think the Koran is supposed to be read in Arabic. That'd probably be hard to read. LOL |
Gidget | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:56 pm     You beat me to that one Ocean. And I would even have time to read it, though from what I am told there is no good translation of the Koran from the original. The language is as much a part of the mystery as the book itself. |
Puzzled | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:05 pm     Yes, there are Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Copts, Anglo-Catholics aka Anglicans, Old Catholics, and a few others I can't recall. |
Weinermr | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:17 pm     I believe there are many Chatholics that are members of this board, but I didn't know they comprised a religious sect.  |
Scarlet | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:23 pm     I consider myself a "recovering" Catholic! |
Queenfish | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:34 pm     As A person with a masters degree in Christian Education, I will add my two cents worth. The thing is this, most people who think they are Christians have no idea what Christianity is. The road is narrow as the Bible says and unfortunatley we have a nation full of people who think they are Christians but are not. I could sit in a chicken house all day long and I would never lay an egg. Just because someone sits in a CHurch on Sundays, doesn't mean they are a Christian. |
R151996 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:35 pm     I agree with the point raised earlier that Nate and Ali were making fun of themselves, and they have done so in several other instances. One that happened late last night in HOH was when Ali told Nate that she had only met one bigger brat than him--and that was herself. The editing of the entire Friday show segment I dub "Vices and Virtues" might have made what the producers think was a good storyline, but all of the elements (except maybe Jun's eating) were disproportionally out of context with what is being shown on the live feeds. |
Gidget | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:35 pm     I'm not good at quotes but it goes something like this: "judge not lest ye be judged" |
Mizinvanccouver | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:38 pm     ohhhhhhhhhhhh very well said Queenfish. I'll be interested to hear what others are going to say about that. P.S. I'm still going to call Catholic's, Catholic, Baptist, Baptist...ect even though they fall under being Christian. lol |
Queenfish | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:43 pm     Yes Gidget the Bible does say "judge not least ye be judged". In than particular passage, we are told not to judge those outside of the Church, but we are told that those who are professing Christian, are to be judged accordingly. |
Cajunrambler | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:47 pm     Gidget, That verse is often quoted as a pretext to say that we have no right to judge others. However we have a right to judge righteously (according to the law) and not to judge others based on our own self righteousness or else we will be held to that same standard. Dont forget "By there fruits, ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:15-20). If you want to tell who is a Christian and who is not, look for these fruits (characteristics or Christlike qualities) in their life: "...love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance:" Galatians 5:22-23 These characteristics go contrary to natural human desires, but are only produced through a personal relationship with the Lord. |
Karuuna | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 03:07 pm     I've always found it a bit of a contradiction to practice meekness while at the same time professing oneself to be one of the only true Christians, and everyone else not to be. JMO |
Gidget | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 03:13 pm     Thank you Queenfish. I would be interested in where it says specifically "those who are professing Christian, are to be judged accordingly." I'm sincerely interested. I admit I was being ascerbic with the first quote. I am Roman Catholic by the way and take exception to the King James bible but hopefully I can match your quote to my book. |
Philamom | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 03:26 pm     About the confession thing and Catholics ... I do think some people have some misperceptions about confession, which is quite understandable, if you are not Catholic. I know that I don't have a lot of knowledge regarding the practices of other religions. The confession tradition is much more complicated than it is being portrayed. You can't just do whatever you want (lie, cheat, steal, murder, adultery, etc), and then go to confession, and it is "erased." LOL, it would be nice if it was so easy. For a confession to be "true," there must be real repentence and the desire and commitment not to commit the sin again. Otherwise, it's not a valid confession. Some people may fool themselves into thinking it is, but I guarantee you they aren't fooling God. |
Costacat | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 03:28 pm     I thought fruits were only found in California. The land of fruits and nuts, y'know. And before any of you jump on me, I'm a native Californian. So that was a joke! |
Cajunrambler | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 03:32 pm     No Costacat, you will find a few fruitcakes down here in Louisiana too. I'm a little on the nutty side myself. |
Queenfish | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 03:36 pm     Sorry Gidget, it took me a couple of min. to find a King James Version (haven't used one of those in a while) I usually use the New International Version. But I did look it up in the KJV, because both are exceptional translations. 1Cor. 5:11-13 |
Puzzled | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 03:45 pm     Mark 2:15 And as he [Jesus] sat at his table in his house, many tax collectors and sinners were sitting with Jesus and his disciples; for there were many who followed him. Mark 2:17...I [Jesus] came not to call the righteous, but sinners. So I guess if us sinners are good enough to sit with Jesus, we are good enough to call ourselves (if we wish to) Christians. |
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