Archive through August 30, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Is Allison this season Danielle?:
Archive through August 30, 2003
Scandalousplaya | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:16 pm     Okay, we all love to hate her but the fact of the matter she is playing the game. Thoughts anyone? |
Brotherman | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:21 pm     Alison is not as clever, perceptive, or sneaky as Danielle, but she's the closest heir to her throne. |
Katlady53 | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:23 pm     What brotherman said! |
Xarph | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:23 pm     I really, really do not like Dani, but I see no need to insult her by comparing her to Ali. |
Cliotheleo | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:24 pm     Ok, I'll take up for the gal. In a cast of non-game players, she's done one of the best jobs. She flipped more than an Olympic gymnast and is still in the game despite being such a hard-to-like personality. So there. |
Scandalousplaya | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:26 pm     I agreee Clio. She's bad, I mean really bad to the bone, but she's playing the game. |
Earthmother | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:29 pm     I will say she has played the game...whether she plays it good enough to win....hmmm hard to tell. |
Texasdeb | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:30 pm     Dani would have had to play THIS BB house in a different way. Ali would have had to play BB3 different than she's playing in BB4. I think they both came in with their game heads on & tried to figure out early on there best way to make finals. Dani did it & it sure looks like Ali will do it. Gotta give them both credit. |
Wgm | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:33 pm     Ali reminds me more of Monica on BB 2. They both go back and forth between alliances and they create secret alliances. |
Cangaroo | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:36 pm     I agree, she's a player alright and she's gotten farther than over half of the others, so I grant her that. In my own defense, I refuse to state exactly what type of player. |
Marameko | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:43 pm     Alison wishes she were as good a player as Dani. She is not worthy of the comparison. |
Texasdeb | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:51 pm     Alison has not played as consistantly as Dani. If BB3 would have had the same forum (sequester voters, no DR comments seen), Dani would have taken the $500 gran to the bank. Ali has known from the get go that this is the way the voters are kept & she is only going to the finals because everyone else thinks (knows) they can beat her. That's the dif - Dani, by far is the better BB participant. |
Seanflynn2003 | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:51 pm     I really, really like Danielle and see no reason to insult her by comparing her to Allison. |
Gina8642 | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:53 pm     I think they have both been very distastful. However, Dani didn't have any reason to smear people all the time. It never really helped her in the game and in the end it lost her the game. Ali, on the other hand, has done just as much smearing, but I do think it has helped her get further in the game. By smearing people, she has done a very sucessful job of hiding her agenda and alliances. It has been highly relavant to her 'game'. Is this a 'good thing'? - I guess everyone can judge that for themselves. |
Texasdeb | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:03 pm     Ali has gotten far with this "group" by being the way she has been. That's why I give her credit for coming in with her game head. A group more like BB2 or BB3 with the BB4 forum would be great for next yr. I will not judge Ali as a person because this is just a game. However; last yr, I realized Dani was just playing the game. It kind of seems like we're seeing Ali for Ali (remember some of Justin's comments). I think, with Ali, what you see is what you get no matter what the circumstances. |
R151996 | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:28 pm     Ali could not play as consistently as Dani, both because of the nature of the game (X Factor) and the threat from Dana so early in the game that Ali had to overcome. Dani cruised through pretty much unscathed to the final three last year and then still couldn't win the $500K. Dani had one constant secret alliance partner basically the whole game, while Ali had to survive to get into a position to form such an alliance this year. Ali would have been smarter in the DR in last year's game than Dani was. Dani's maturity would have prevented her from making some of the mistakes that Ali has this year. Who has played the better game--this year's game has to play out first, though I give Ali the edge comparing the final fives. If Ali makes the final two, she will have played the better game since she was forced to take more actions out in the open to get there. If Ali is evicted before the final two, Dani will have played better overall. |
Texasdeb | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:36 pm     R151996, you have made a good point - I'm with you. |
Scandalousplaya | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:55 pm     The only reason why Ali will make it to the final two is because the remaining hgs know they can beat her in the end. Due to her actions in the house. We can't say that Ali would have been smarter in the dr than Dani because her mouth and her actions have gotten her in trouble via the Dana threat. It seems in this season there really isn't any strategy involve. We all know everyone's strategy. We know who will be nominated. I still for the life of me don't understand why Ali didn't give Nathan a vote. Her betrayal of Nate is apparent to the other hgs. Also why would she go against Jee and Robert when we all know that she just lost two more votes. This season is about this deal and that deal...to the point we pretty much have everyone's game figured out. Dani was never nominated. Ali was out the door, but if it wasn't for Nate she would have been home. |
Wendo | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:04 pm     I agree that Ali has made some not as nice comments, however, I disagree that her comments have been anywhere near as mean spirited as Dani's comments were to the HG's in BB3. (And, I'm a fan of Dani.) Dani was a constant bad mouther, constant. I agree with that completely and believe it played a part in why she didn't win first place. And yes, Ali's done some bad mouthing, it's been much less than last year. In fact, it's been about the same as other HG's in to past seasons. The five left in the house, as well as those on the jury, all participated in bad mouthing. Not unusualy high though, imo. |
Hamsterlady | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:11 pm     First, let me say I'm not a big fan of any of the 5 left. But if I had to choose one it would be, um, not Ali. But I have to give to Ali. She's played a great game and BTW she's nowhere near a Dani. Nothing even close to it. But Ali's playing the game and for that she gets kudos from me. But, again, she's not a Dani in any sense of the word. |
Jpgramma | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:14 pm     I dunno about the bad-mouthing comparisons. I think Marci and Amy won that distinction hands down last year. But back to thread subject, a hearty no. I think ali would like to think she's playing a game like dani's, but she lacks the maturity and the focus Dani had. I think Justin called it well when he was speaking to his boys about Ali. He said she's playing it week by week, with no real plan past that. There isn't a Dani in the house, but if I had to pick someone who was the closest, I'd pick June over Ali. June keeps her focus, doesn't let her emotions rule her intelligence and keeps to her plan, always a long range plan. |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:26 pm     I don't think Ali is playing a lot like Dani. Dani was good at getting others to do the work she wanted done--Ali is just going back and forth between whoever is in power-and not really hiding that she is---yet it is still working for her. To her credit, that is really what counts--what works for you, given the people who are still in the game. Ali uses flirting as a science almost--Dani didn't really do that at all. Also, Dani had people pegged really well--she knew how to relate to them. Ali is just plowing through, but hey, it's working for her. They both have said personal things about other people that have nothing to do with the game--although most of the Hg's seem to do that. Gerry didn't really do it, and neither did Jack (with the exception of the buzzard crotch comment--not game related) I'm not sure if Ali is flying under the radar or not--she doesn't make waves really, but she makes her point known to a few. Dani held that very closely to herself for the most part. A lot of people mae comments about getting the 50K instead of the 500K--many of the comments being negative. One thing that can't be argued with--in order to get second place, you have to be there to begin with. Only 2 of them will be able to say they made it that far. |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:31 pm     No. She's this season's Alison. |
Texasdeb | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:34 pm     YES, I agree Jpgramma, Jun is playing the game the most like Dani. Jun knows what kept Dani from winning - Jun, Jun, Jun wins $500 gran (Erika wins $50 gran). That's just the way "I" want it to happen. |
Brotherman | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:38 pm     Danielle was the best at controlling the other houseguests while Alison simply tells people what they want to hear so they will let their guard down. Nicole was actually a better manipulator than Alison but she simply got drunk with power. |
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