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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Editing - What makes the 'Cut' (ARCHIVES: Archive through August 01, 2003

C1mag

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ok Thorntara this is how I really saw her comment looking on tv. She thinks he's gay therefore she wouldn't want to play the game with him to the end. The way she whispers it like it's some freakin disease. Thats how I saw her comment the way they put it. Then the show goes real stupid and shows him shaving his arms like thats some gay staple or something. I just think they could have left the whole thing out and if they are gonna pull this then let the truth out completely. Show the tv viewer he is a homophobe but also show the entire house constantly calling every damn thing in the house "gay"

Bastable

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That would have been interesting! I would love to see him exposed on TV.

Figuratively. And, aw heck, maybe literally too, for the ladies and gay men of the world.

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag - Basically, yes....but it isn't actually "glee" I would feel. But I would feel satisfied that Nate could get a valuable chance to learn what it's like to discrimnated against for being gay (even if he isn't gay).

Yes, it could be hard on Nate to leave the house and reenter a homophobic home (if it is one) but I still think that's better (especially if he learns from it) than him just leaving the BB house to continue spreading his homophobia without having had the benefit of possibly getting a taste of what it's like to be on the receiving end.

Seamonkey

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting that they always show Erika snarking about everyone else.. maybe next week they can do one on why people can't accept their bodies and get implants.

I'm not and have never been a smoker but I CAN see that it isn't an easy addiction to quit and her sneering about Jee was pretty unfeeling for this woman who thinks she is the most mature female in the house.

Maybe they can do a montage of Erika hacking and coughing and saying over and over that the non-dairy creamer makes her "phlegmy".

I get the feeling that Jack and Erika are the darlings of the producers ..

I kind of understand Jun.. I've lost fairly large chunks of weight and when you feel really great about it and get clothing that is more revealing that's so cool but then if you gain back you may take a while to adjust to other clothes.. and I think she's in that place.. she brought her thin clothing with her.

Oprah did that for awhile, wore stuff that was way too small which made her look even fatter and miserable.

Ali's "Nate is gay" thing sounds like her sourgrapes way of "dealing" with him not wanting to hook up with her. If he can resist me, he must be gay.

Bluerose

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk- to answer your question, Sanfran and Maris to me, made excellant points. Was I saying that calling Nate gay is a bad thing? It sure sounded like it when I re-read my own posts. I still do not like what Ali said and never will but I can see both sides of this issue a little clearer now.

Snee

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sea, they did show erika making the racist (i think it was, but we don't have to go there again, do we?) comment about jee.

i thought the show tonight made ali look horrible in many instances (with mood music to match). when she told justin she thought nate was gay, she said twice that he Had To Be (or something very close). it seemed so obvious to me that she was putting moves on him and he didn't get aroused. perhaps it was meant to be obvious to other viewers. either way, it's win/win for bb because some viewers will be disgusted by ali and some will be disgusted by nate (and his possible homosexuality) and some will just be disgusted by bb and will want to see what kind of editing they'll do next...

Thorntara

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Perhaps the extra line on the CBS chart is Nate's ex, and they are just doing false foreshadowing (the way Survivor and Real World do)? I still think the comment slams Alison, not Nate. Nobody ever thought Hardy and Will were gay, but they shaved their entire bodies, and Nicole helped in parts that might be difficult to reach/see.

I maybe feel sorry for June...I'm guessing, and this is only a guess that the contract says that the women are required to wear bikinis. On the other hand, it's not like she didn't know the deal and didn't sign up for it willingly. I don't think I have a bikini body, and frankly, I would not sign any contract (BB#, Boat Show Demonstrator, SI Swim Suit Issue, etc.) that required I spend some time in public (or on TV) wearing a bikini! On the other hand, I didn't think Lisa had a bikini body either...hers being so thin and boney and unnaturally planal.

And, just an FYI, I don't get the shaving thing, anyway...I like a man with some hair on his chest, and I won't go into other places I find hair to be sexy. (Clue: not the back.)

Meggieprice

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
At least Justin's homophobia was revealed when he said he would not hang out with him if it was true. Zap- he falls even further down in my estimation. And Ali looked even worse. I do wish she had finished her thought "He has to be gay- he doesn't want me sexually". I am disgusted with the lot of them this year.

I have no doubt that Nate's parents will be on another show expressing outrage so we can find out just what kind of family he is from...or CBS will trot out some girlfriends to refute it.

Gay straight trans bi black white asian whatever...makes no matter to me- I am looking for some great true hearts in this house and i don't see a single one. Blech.

Zachsmom

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"But I would feel satisfied that Nate could get a valuable chance to learn what it's like to discrimnated against for being gay (even if he isn't gay). "

But SanFran..People have died from being discriminated for being gay.

C1mag

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can understand the gay person feeling a vindication if Nate has a moment of clarity once he gets out for his actions. I'm just saying that when it comes to editing it sure would have been great if they would have shown him saying all that garbage about basically hating his own son if he were gay.

To me the edit was so void of the potential Karma factor all it did was perpetuate the classic dislike for someone who is gay and then the stero type that a gay man shaves his arms.

Again, I'm more on the "edit" issue of this topic then what is right or wrong in all of this. For me it's easy. I don't see anything wrong in being gay. I don't even understand why in the house they call everything gay. I guess it's location for me. Call me gay friendly or just call me a friend in general I don't get the taint on his name for calling him gay.

Snee

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
have we ever seen a woman's one-piece bathing suit on bb?

Thorntara

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maggie,

Exactly! BLECH! I take back the almost nice things I said about June.

Lilycakes

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SFJF....Throuhout the two or three seasons I've hung around here I've always been impressed by your sensibilities. BY FAR, you're been an unequivical, rational voice for the gay community. I find it difficult to believe that you'd sincerely want a non-gay to be "outed". It smacks of venegance that you think of him as a homophobe. JMHO.

Bluerose

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to agree Meggie. After tonight's show, I don't know what to think anymore.

Thorntara

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Snee...

Yes. The beauty pagent winner from BB1. Lori from BB3. Amy from BB3, but that was when she was outside the house. Danielle had a Black and White one-piece that I loved. Or maybe that was actually exercise wear? Nicole had a one-piece. Someone else from BB2 did, too. Please don't get me wrong...it wasn't the only bathing suit any of them had.

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggieprice - Hey that's a point I hadn't thought of! Maybe CBS presented that storyline simply to have a dramatic followup by his parents being interviewed next week!

I remember Shannon's toothbrush incident being defended by her mother. I remember Chicken George's wife being interviewed about the story that she flooded CBS with votes to keep George in the house. Even Roddy's parents were on camera defending the nasty things that HGs said about him....as were Chiara's friends.

If CBS already knew that they were going to be interviewing Nate's and Ali's families tomorrow, they made a strategic move to ensure on-camera drama from their supporters!

C1mag

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Blue me neither and the irony is they are talking the gay talk in the house right now.

Lurknomore

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well Blue I certainly respect your right to rethink your perspective...but I think you were quite accurate and realistic to begin with and had a very good grasp of the reality of the situation, versus idealism.

Personally I still think the key to this being right or wrong is asking "are there any boundaries the Producers should not cross?" To me truth, reputation, dignity and a list of others count. If it is only to make up things or go with innuendo's then so be it. But I don't believe the HG's signed on for that. But tonight the Producers made me do the impossible...feel sympathetic towards these HG's. Maybe it was a stroke of genius on their part to conteract their horrid, unlikeable cast

Snee

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
thanks thorntara. pooooor memory here!

C1mag

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hahahaha since they are on the gay thing right now they just said... "we are gonna get called to the diary room" and then Dana says.. "yeah GLAAD right now is hitting the internet complaining we are bashing them" Well duh then shut the hell up already.

Beruthiel

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The only positive thing one could say about the editing on tonight's show is that BB is an equal opportunity production.
They showed a lot of the unpleasantness that the internet viewers always wish could be seen by the TV viewers.
At least one could say that they aren't faking the viewers into thinking there are saints and devils this year, because they're all getting hard knocks.

BUT: in an old thread asking if there would be a BB Five, I commented on the lowest common denominator factor, and boy, has BB come through on that one!

I was alternately amazed and appalled at the show tonight, because it was downright cruel.

Ali's personal revelation to Justin took the cake though, because although she did say it, BB's the power that aired it, and will have put the idea into every viewer's head.
The rest of the show revealed their personal weaknesses, but in revealing Alison's, they have exposed Nate, 'an innocent third party', to salacious gossip, and it has nothing to do with whether or not he IS gay.
What is sad is that it's something a person feels they need to hide - it doesn't say much for our tolerance for differences, does it?

It's getting easier and easier not to care whether I miss the show, and that also makes me sorry... Jerry Springer, move over, BB is usurping your place!

Lurknomore

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And um guys...I don't think Meggie was here then (GMTA) but about a hundred or so posts back I said I bet we will be seeing a follow up with Nate's parents or an ex-girlfriend, probably following a letter from their lawyer. Has it made more sense NOW? lol

Maris

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It is a common phrase with young teens these days say "Oh that is so gay" C1. I even heard my kid say it and when I corrected it, I was told Oh mom it doesnt mean "Gay". I said, that is ok I dont want to hear it in my house anyway and if I hear you saying it again I will kill you. lol.


I dont know where this new meaning of "Gay" originated but as near as I can tell, in my kids lingo it means "corny" or "passe"

Lurknomore

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BTW Meggie wish I had said this part of your post...it's GREAT and I totally agree;

"Gay straight trans bi black white asian whatever...makes no matter to me- I am looking for some great true hearts in this house and i don't see a single one. Blech."

Lilycakes

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Blue me neither and the irony is they are talking the gay talk in the house right now".....

I turned on the volume and heard brief snippets of high school. I'm just so disappointed this year--where's the intelligence?????