Editing - What makes the 'Cut'
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Tobor7

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 08:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack's talk in the HOH has come up many times in convos. It was a great moment. I bet they use it with a lot of context in the next show.

Tobor7

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sat - August 16th 2003

Tonight's show was great! Only one fluff piece on working out.
They did a nice job on telling the cage deals. They did leave out a few things... Jee said that he wanted to be in the final cage-- they left that out. They stayed off the POV deal. They really played down Robert's migraine.

In the Dr-- how could they NOT ask Justin; "Could you hear them talking in the cage?" "Did you ever fall asleep?" "Did you fake being asleep?" "When you saw Jee starting to get out, how could you NOT have run over to the cage and pushed him to stay-- seeing that Jack had already left?"

They must not like Erika too much. They didn't use her little psyche-out dance in the cage and they didn't play up her HOH. For an actress wanna-be she certainly didn't make the most of her speech time.

Good show over all, but they did leave some chips on the table.

What else did they leave out that should have been put in? Anyone?

Mizinvanccouver

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 07:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good points Tobor7....can't contribute yet as I haven't seen the episode but from what I've read it sounds accurate.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
-I know I've been harping on this a lot, but I wish they'd show Robert misogynistic comments. I'm sick of him being protrayed as a saint by BB. (This reminds me of BB's early protrayal of Dani last season - didn't she get a letter from home? They finally showed a small bit of her ripping on fellow HGs, because they had to show why she was going to lose in a landslide. Otherwise the regular viewing public would have been flabbergasted why such a nice, sweet, funny lady lost.)

-They also missed whatever blow-up happened between Jun and Robert. I'd like to see it, since it doesn't seem to be in our LFPs either.

-They missed Allie telling Justin about Jee's deal (which would show Allie's alliance with Justin better).

Tobor7

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes. Good points Gina.

I think this year, they are trying to make all the HGs likable it seems. They must think... what if Robert wins? They would still have to market him somehow, no?

The Jun/Rob blowup will be used in next week's show as part of the POV story line I bet.

They sure use a lot of Erika crying huh?

Oscrapit

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tonight's show showed Jun peeing in the cage, but not Alison. I don't understand why they showed one and not the other.

Spunky

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 10:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tobor, sometimes a silent scene is worth a thousand words. So when you say:

In the Dr-- how could they NOT ask Justin; "Could you hear them talking in the cage?" "Did you ever fall asleep?" "Did you fake being asleep?" "When you saw Jee starting to get out, how could you NOT have run over to the cage and pushed him to stay-- seeing that Jack had already left?"

Didn't need that all, as the camera kept going from the cage to Justin and back and forth so we could see the expression on Justin's alert face as they were coming out of the cage and especially when Jee came out. It was very well done.

I did enjoy the Food competition and I was again surprised at the beautiful set up outside, they must have a great designer/decorator.

Unfortunately the rest was too predictable as the nominations lacked any suspense whatsoever. No drama, nothing at all. They didn't show Robert's bitching about the women and his blowup with Jun, obviously they'll reserve that for Tuesday.

But why does Ali look so fat around the hips now, those pants are truly unflattering.

I also noticed how careful they are when showing the girls working out, the camera angle is rarely full frontal like we see on those pics on the net. They reserve the zooming on their legs apart for the internet viewers, I guess. There were some very unflattering pics of Jun sitting outside, if you check Joker's pics.

I can't wait to see the POV comp and the AC and then of course the live eviction, although predictable I still hope thing turn around for Justin and Robert is evicted.

Tobor7

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 10:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes. I thought the editing was nice, cutting to Justin on the hammock. But they use Erika's V/O to say they are going into the 3rd cage when I can see that they are doing it... but I really wanted to hear Justin's side of what was going on. He looked like he didn't.
If I was there-- I would have been standing right next to the cage the whole time. I would have shamed Jee into NOT leaving.
When Rob started to leave, Jee should have called out to Justin to try to talk him out of it.

Plus Jee looked like a wimp. He could have pushed a little better. Pointed out that he was younger and much more fit than Jack or Erika. He should have shown some game.
And Erika giving him credit for his "honor"-- more like LACK of honor.

Spunky

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 08:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tobor,

Jack knew that Jee wouldn't leave unless he left first, he was tactful enough to realize how embarrassed Jee felt to lose to a much older guy and I was grateful to Jack for doing that, he knew that Erika would hold the fort anyway.
I thought they covered Jee's pain and embarrassment quite well, but also how much he cared about the others, while these "others" were stuffing their faces and offer no support whatsoever to poor Jee trying hard to protect them. Jack and Erika were right in telling him the 'others' wouldn't take him to the finals, Jee has to think for himself first.
By the way.. I was surprised they did show how Jack told Jee.. I will leave before you so then you can leave... So they didn't leave the impression that Jack was weaker than Jee, Jee was portrayed very realistically, especially when he admitted in the DR how much he was suffering and it was doing it for the others but failed.
Now, if they could increase the tension in the house by showing Jun and Robert before the POV and the when Jun wins the POV showing how dejected Robert and Jun evicting Robert instead of Justin and creating a tiebraker with Erika going with her guts and evicting Robert. Well, that would be my kind of show...but it will turn out as predictable as it could be.

Tobor7

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tuesday Aug 19th 2003 Show

Seems the producers really like Robert. They continue to omit most things he says that put him in a bad light, while showing his better and more sensitive moments whenever they can.

The America's Choice was nicely done--- especially the inter-cutting between him reading the letter and his daughter reading it. Helped break up the long crying pauses. They failed to use Robert yelling at Jun AND they didn't use the very next scene of Robert leaving Erika at the table and then telling his boys what he was talking about. His version to the boys seemed like he was playing Erika, but they chose to use only the part that makes him look better. The producers must be in a real bind with Robert. He is the only one that has a young kid watching the show. Too young to really understand, but old enough to watch her daddy on TV. They must be in a moral dilemma on what to do. All they have to do is imagine her watching. And that is why they are putting him in the best light. I'll bet they made a new rule for next year's HGs-- NO PARENTS WITH YOUNG KIDS!

The POV contest was stupid. Fair but stupid. I was not entertained by the presentation in any way.

All in all, they did a good job of explaining the strategy of the game playing. Only half the music this week sounded like a cheap porn soundtrack.

Oh... Robert said to Jee that it was OK for him to go back on his word because "they don't give a **** about you." Interesting that he thinks you can only keep your word to those who care about you.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Spunky

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That part was so sugary I felt I wanted to change channel. Maybe it's because I don't like Robert and even his tears seemed fake to me. And that part where Erika apologizes to Robert, again making me feel she was the mean one and poor Robert the victim, made me almost puke.

I don't understand why they're bent on portraying Robert as the good guy. About his advice to Jee to lie, they even made it look like good strategy and Jee's loyalty to be ridiculed.

Anyway, it was clear the show does reflect the boredom in the house, even the producers are looking for something to make it look better with that American Choice portion, but it was exactly this one that turned me off completely.

Gina8642

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think they are avoiding Robert's worst traits because he has a daughter. Last year they were really, really mean to Gerry in the editing and he had fairly young kids.

I don't know why they keep giving Robert a free pass on all his mis-deeds. I know a misogyny montage probably wouldn't have fit in very well with the America's choice one. However, I do think they should show it next time. It isn't very fair to highlight Allie's bed hopping and then protray Robert as the perfect guy. Ick!

Maybe his worst rants are so filled with profanity that they'd be unintelligible with the swear words silence.

I'm still curious exactly what and how bad Robert's blow up at Jun was. Jun seemed pretty chastised afterwords, yet on the TV show they just showed Justin and Robert a little perturbed - was that all there was?

Spunky

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They did show a bit of a squabble between Jun and Robert just before the POV, when nobody thought Jun could win POV, it was necessary to see how Robert's attitude towards Jun would change afterwards. But it didn't work. He kept badmouthing her as before and the fact that Justin was so obviously the one to go Robert felt confident that he could behave as he wished. These people should have made him squirm, instead they let him understand that Justin was the one to go, so the nomination didn't affect him at all.

Tobor7

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thursday Aug 20th, 2003 Live Show

The producers decided to SHOW us why they show Robert as they do. They SHOWED us his daughter watching the show. Ok. Now we know. I'm sure there is at least one CBS exec who wouldn't allow Rob's kid to be undone by a poor portrayal on the show. This exec does not care about the live feeds... just the approval cut of the show he HAS to watch THREE times a week for a show he does not even follow. "Don't ruin the kid's dad over a summer show. If you can't show anything nice, then don't show it. Next case."

Hey Erika? Julie asked you a direct question TWO times. Did you throw any comps? You lost for real? You had someone's back? What are you talking about? Don't make me ask THREE times! Bad girl."

The balls comp was feeble. To have such a big hoh on one roll of a ball... c'mon. Feeble, AT LEAST make it a double elimination.

The dream team montage was a nice try. The editing for the DR votes was also nice. Had me going. Julie pressed Justin and I suppose he answered why he didn't try to stay in the house. He will be the Roddy that sways the jury from here on out. He cut his deal with the others when they were wrestling outside and the mics came off. He is now the one working on the INSIDE. As he said. "The game isn't over just cause he is in the other house."

All in all-- I'll give this show 7 Bees.
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And that's all I have to say about that.

Niceguy

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina8642, I think the producers learn from each season of the show. Gerry was skewered quite a bit on the show last year. Maybe it was convenient to paint him as a kind of pompous buffoon. Maybe they thought he would be solid enough a personality to not let it bother him once the show was over. Robert isn't that stable a personality. It could be dangerous to send him back into the world with the tv audience have a really negative attitude towards him. Its not about compassion from CBS but simply good PR to not have a ex-contestant do something horrible shortly after they leave the show.

Gina8642

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with trying to be nice the HGs OR their families. I've realized that Robert's favorable protrayal has everything to do with ratings.

For example - They show Allie being a tramp. This is also for ratings. Our society, especially the male segment, has a facination with these type of women. They condemn them, call them sl$ts, etc. But then they go out and buy Penthouse, Playboy, and Stuff magazines. That sort of stuff sells to an important part of viewing demographic CBS wants to attract to this show. (Not the type I notice here at the clubhouse however - LOL). They don't sell large numbers of magizines with pictorials of non-trampy women. Notice even out saintly Jee, who condems Allie for being annoying and tramping around, starts asking about her about her sex life occasionally, clearly getting some vicarious pleasure from the questioning.

Robert's misogyny on the other hand is simply repulsive. Showing it in it's full form wouldn't increase viewership any. On the other hand - Robert's love of his daughter warms the heart. The tear-jerking segments on the loving dad missing the sweet little daughter increase viewership more than misogynistic rants. Tonight they showed the bit on Robert not wanting to settle on a single woman, but the made it sound all-in-good-fun instead of repulsive. A little happy music, a laughing ex-wife, BB put a happy face on all of it. (BTW - ICK!!!)

It really is extremly annoying - but CBS and the BB staff care WAY more about ratings than the accurate protrayal of any of these folks. If accurate protrayal wins them ratings - great!!!! If not, creative editing is used.

Gina8642

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Because the show is truly happing as they go along BB can't veer too far off of reality in their editing but sometimes they do.

Remember last year they completely avoided showing any of Dani's less kind attributes (that many here at the clubhouse were screaming about). The TV viewing public had no clue. All of a sudden the last episode or two that had to do major back pedeling to try to explain why she was going to lose in a landslide.

This year they had to spend a portion of each Friday's show explaining what was actually going on in the house which lead up to whoever's eviction on Wednesday. Why - because the work so hard trying to make the eviction suspensful, they completely obfiscate what actually occurs alliance wise prior to the vote.

Spwisc

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Are the ratings 'that' much better with BB showing Robert as 'father of the year'? I don't think so at all. Just more people have been bored with re-run comedies and they decided to check out BB4.

I thought his ex (I don't believe they married?) on the outside being happy for him and even Erika was great.

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep Spwisc, that was nice to see his ex-wife (she said they married briefly) being supportive of him. It's exactly how I predicted earlier this afternoon. I like being right (insert evil laugh here.)

Tobor7

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I forgot...

Justin told Julie that he felt Jee knew he was safe 20 mins after he went into the cage but he stayed in there over 6 hours anyway.

Julie missed the follow up...
"So... he stayed in 6 more hours because he wanted to make it LOOK GOOD? or do you think he was really trying to win?"
then...
"And do you really think he could not outlast someone that's 10 years and 35 years older than he was?"
then...
"Why didn't you cheer him on and see if you couldn't give him a little more strength to stick it out." Jee IF YOU WALK out of that cage you are in effect throwing me out of the house. Is that all you got boy?

JULIE? You missed the best questions.
Watch and learn.

Crossfire

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In the past I've been somewhat easy on Julie, but this year she does not seem to be on the ball. I think she was dialed in a little tighter last year. Her knowledge of the house seems to be fleeting, and often dated. I'm almost ready to toss her overboard for someone with the time to really get involved.

Also, did I hear wrong, or did he say 10 minutes? That's what I thought I heard, in any case, I think he has been greatly misinformed as I don't think wheeling and dealing started until Robert left the scene.

Gina8642

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They told Jee he'd be safe if he tossed it before he ever entered the cage. I can't remember when the dealing inside the cage started for sure, but Robert leaving definately broke the dam. I think Jee did try. He refused the deal for quite awhile. I also think he gave full disclosure to his 'team'. Neither Justin or Robert were bothered by it.

I agree that Julie really seems out of touch this year. Justin really shut her down with his answer. It was as if she didn't know about the six hours.

Tobor7

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, his answer was good. Not good enough for me... but good enough for Julie-- who has scripted questions and no follow-ups on her own.

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I can't be hard on Julie. She handled it better than I would have. If I had been in her place tonight all I would have been able to come up with would have been "gosh you're hot.........."

Crossfire

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Isn't that strange, because I'd have been thinking the same thing if I were Justin.

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL! Yeah, Julie did look pretty hot tonight didn't she? There's another reason why I couldn't be her, I would have fallen right off of those hells, yep, right on my butt when Justin walked in the door.

And there I would have been laying on my back with my legs flung up in the air............ what a scene.

Crossfire

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Heh, you are going to have to come up with a fresher move than that, I believe its already been done on BB last year by what's her name...Roddys fling on the lazy susan. :)

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
...... and let's not forget Amy falling out of the hammock for him. :)

Spunky

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, definitely it explains why we see this great "daddy" show instead of Robert's dark side as seen on the Live Feeds. There is the child to consider and better make sure not to traumatize this child with scenes we all shuddered while viewing on the net or reading about it.
Well, it's getting too annoying for me and if Robert stays longer than Jee I'll scream!!!

The reunion of Dana and Nate was actually quite nice to see and I envied Dana the solitude in a paradise that could have been quite healing after her ordeal (however deserved) in the BB house. Now, I just want to see what will happen when Justin joins them... it makes me feel I want to watch that house more than the BB house.

The HOH competition was such a rip off, compared to the last one this one was really an easy effort, and I don't know if Jack being the last one was an attempt by BB to make him win, he was the last one and knew no one else was going to beat Jee, it was just him and could have made it but he blew it again!

Now we are faced with the opposite of what went on this past week. The pattern keeps repeating and getting boring...

Unless, they'll finally show how Robert quickly betrays Erika after they made a deal to protect each other by keeping Jack and evictin Erika on Wednesday. The woman hater will show his true colors.... please tell the daugther to go to sleep.

Spwisc

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 06:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spunky, both Erika and Robert knew the 'deals' could and would be broken in the "game", but I do believe their talk about their relationship was real.

I'm sure you've read this before in the threads but Erika did indeed say to Julie about their relationship inside the house..."it's war". She would turn on him the very first chance she got and don't forget she nominated him!

Tobor7

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Saturday August 23rd 2003 Show

I'm glad they included the JFK segment. I heard most of what he said at the time he said it and I'm happy they covered that over another fluff segment.

They covered the strategy stuff very well.

Closing the room off was overdone. Who cares.

They balanced out Robert a little more without totally turning off the dinner crowd. They have a long way to go.

The POV deal needed a few more follow up questions... like; "That's your only reason? You don't want to deal with people on PPJ for a week?" COME ON! This is a game for serious money. I would have taken it when it was 3 weeks! Make it tough on them all. Wear down the weaklings.

With that said, they did drag the POV on a bit too long. Robert's reaction and then his turn around was great. When he said vote me out now-- I can't eat PPJ for 2 weeks really showed he has no staying power at all. Jee should have been more stern with him.

I'll give this show 7 Bees just because of the JFK thing.

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And that's all I have to say about that.

Spunky

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 10:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That part with Robert telling Jee how pissed he was that someone took the bribe was the best BB segment so far.

The Kennedy segment by Jack is becoming so repetitive that I think BB showed it to compare it with Robert's ticks.

All in all it was a good show but I expect Tuesday's show to be much better.