Ali won the veto! What to do, What to do.
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Ali won the veto! What to do, What to do.
Stro27 | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:06 am     I don't think it is as easy a decision as it seems. If Ali uses veto, it would assure her of being in the final 3. Let's say Jun nominates Jee and Robert. Ali vetos Jee. Jun has no choice but to nominate Erika. Ali and Jee vote off Erika. Since Jun is HoH this week she can't compete next week. Thus, one of Ali, Jee, or Rob are guarenteed to win HoH and Jun is gone that week. If she doesn't use veto, yes she would be getting rid of one of the stooges, but the remaining stooge would still be there and if he wins HoH, Ali is screwed. |
Cousin_Jake | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:18 am     Ali is safe. Much as they all dislike her, every single one of the remaining HG know that their best chance of winning is to be in the final 2 with her. The only way Erica can win is if she wins the final 2 HOH competitions ... and she knows it. |
Csnog | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:18 am     Jun and Ali MUST remember the voters. If Jee is in final 2 he might have the votes. If Robert is there he might have the votes. Jun and Ali may not want either one of the guys in final 2. A lot depends on how well Jack does in his conversations with both Justin and Nath. |
Helgapataki | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:19 am     I think that is what I was trying to say, Stro, but thanks for clarifying! |
Tweety | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:20 am     I wonder if they will tell Jun who won the POV before she makes her nominations? |
Marameko | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:30 am     Helga brings up a very scary scenario. In my fantasy world of BB, since Jun missed the POV competition, she would get to vote for the nominees.As you can tell I favor neither Jee or Robert winning nothing, nada, zip. <el> |
What555456 | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:34 am     I would not assume that Ali is the ONLY one who might break the women up or even break the Jun/Ali tenuous alliance. Let us assume Jun does as we expect -- nominates the two guys. Then let us assume Ali does not use the veto and let us assume Robert gets evicted to please Erika and because he is such an a**. Then let us assume Jee or Jun (who if I recall will be able to compete for HoH this time) get HoH. Would any of you really be surprised if either Jun or Jee nominated both Ali and Erika? I wouldn't. Jun and Jee have had a secret (for the most part) alliance since the beginning. Not unlike the Dani/Jason alliance of last year. Lot's of assumptions in my scenario, I know. But it seems to me there remains a powerful alliance in the house -- Jun and Jee. And none of the others have seen it clearly yet. Indeed, most of the posters here forget about it most of the time as well. I though have seen nothing to indicate it is not still there and thriving. |
Csnog | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:39 am     Whatt, Both Ali and Erika as voters know that Jee is a stronger player than Robert. They will take Jee out if both guys are nominated and Ali doesn't use the veto. |
Maliboo | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:48 am     Didn't Jun promise Jee's father on his deathbed that she would take care of Jee and his family? You gotta honor something like that. So yeah, Jun must be thinking about getting Jee to the final 2. |
Sheilaree | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 07:52 am     I would like to see Erika and Ali nominate I like that and Ali to go But I have a feeling that Robert is byebye. |
Talon | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 08:17 am     If Jun was smart, she'd nominate Rob and Ali - That way Ali would be forced to use the veto on herself and not the guys. Then Jun could put Jee up. |
Gina8642 | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 08:38 am     Talon - you are the second person I've seen suggest this. How is deliberately manipulating the sitution better than simply putting Robert and Jee up together? Either way the decision is out of Jun's hands. Forcing Ali to use the veto may just engender bad feelings all around. |
Saggkl | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:01 am     Best idea I have heard to date Talon. |
Fruitbat | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:18 am     Brilliant, Talon. |
Fruitbat | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:20 am     I do think Ali is sticking with the women however, but this would be a safe guard to be sure. Ali must know she is the one to take to the finals. Robert and Jee are too shaky for her and she may not trust the boy bond. AND Jee is not well liked, or so she thinks, so he would be a choice for Robert. |
Crazydog | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:25 am     Gina, Talon's suggestion is better than putting up Robert and Jee. Assuming Jun knows that Ali has the veto (and I believe that they should tell her - Jee knew who held the veto before he made his nominations), if she were to put up Robert and Jee, Ali could veto Robert. Then Jun is forced to put up Erika. Robert and Ali vote out Erika. OTOH, if she puts up Robert and Ali, Ali will veto herself, and Jun puts up Jee. By nominating Ali, Jun ensures that she will get the nominations the way she wants them. It protects Erika, and for that matter, gives Jun a better chance next week. |
Surreal_Badger | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:28 am     i agree, nominating ali seems like a good move. but i thought the person with POV was exempt from being nominated? |
Dan | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:30 am     An even better approach would be for Jun to nominate Jee and Ali (instead of Robert and Ali). This way, if for what ever convoluted reason known only to her she decide to pull a Marcellas and not use the veto, than Erica would still be able to vote Jee out, Robert would vote Ali out and Jun would have to mate the tiebraker vote to evict either Jee or Ali. Now that would be interesting. It leaves all her options open untill the final live vote. I sure hope she was told who won the PoV so she had ample time during the flight back to think it over by herself. |
Crazydog | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:47 am     Surreal, the person who exercises a PoV cannot be named as a replacement. It's reversed this time, because PoV was held before nominations (like with Jee last week) but I don't think it grants the PoV holder immunity. If the holder gets nominated, she can just remove herself. |
Talon | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:12 pm     Dan, I agree - putting up Jee and Ali would be even better. |
Shoegalnj | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:32 pm     Sheilaree, I'd go to the VMA's in a heartbeat but that wasn't what it was about. I don't recall Julie telling Jun that she wouldn't be able to participate in the POV if she left. I just think its strange that the HoH wasn't able to partake in this weeks POV. Regardless if no one guessed it Jun would have won it - I don't think that was a fair shot. It should have waited till she came back. I think Jun would be best to put up Ali and one of the guys up. This way Ali would def save herself and Jun would have to put the other guy up for eviction. Ensuring one of the guys will go. |
Vskatefan | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:46 pm     Gina asked how is deliberately manipulating the sitution better than simply putting Robert and Jee up together? Well, if Jun wants Jee out, she can do it in the manner said(nominate Robert/Ali or Robert/Erika, Ali uses veto, Jun puts up Jee) and it requires little effort on Jun's part. She has a "secret" alliance with Jee and has said she would protect him. If she gets rid of Jee this way, Jun can lay the blame for Jee's ouster on Ali and/or the eviction voters and it looks like Jun had nothing to do with it. She still might look good in Jee's eyes this way(Jun tells Jee she was forced to put him up because Ali used the veto). |
Justalittlebean | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:50 pm     Is it official that Ali won the veto? |
Crazydog | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:52 pm     Yes. Alison has the veto. It was shown on the plasma screen that she won it. |
Nothing2do | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 01:34 pm     I just heard Jee say, he thought it was The Space Needle, and Robert said, he thought it was Space Mountain... |
Helgapataki | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:40 pm     Jun just said she was going to put up Ali with the expectation that Ali would veto herself, then she would put up Jee! Ali agreed- so it looks like a safe bet that one of the guys will go. I, for one, am relieved! |
Beruthiel | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:46 pm     That's a clever move by Jun. She covers her back from Jee by being 'forced' to nominate him, and Ali's back is covered also, since she is 'forced' to use the veto on herself. I'm liking Jun a lot. |
Crossfire | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:50 pm     It's a pretty thin cover. Nominating the POV holder has no risk, and Jee would obviously wonder why not nom Erika. Jun may get brownie points from Jee for at least leaving the door open as it does buy him a little wiggle room, but ultimately, Jun has the power so it is really risk free to everyone in the girl alliance except Erika. |
Beruthiel | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:58 pm     Yeah, you're right Cross, and I'm feeling a little nervous for Erika, since Jun has been away there's been no opportunity to see how this threesome is going to ultimately pan out-no secret talks between the various pairs to let us know how each is thinking. |
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