Archive through August 02, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
What is the Ritual Jee and Jun are talking about?:
Archive through August 02, 2003
Peachie | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:45 pm     They are talking about a ritual that Jee has but BB wont let him do something. Anyone know what it is? |
Seanflynn2003 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:46 pm     A Korean ritual remembering a dead family member Jee's father passed away four days ago today |
Jiggyjosh | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:47 pm     Since Jee was so concerned about Nate's "tomatoes", Not sure I want to know what the ritual is. |
Kuchi | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:47 pm     I heard her say they wont let you eat something or even taste it...is he on the pbj diet..I cant remember. |
Twiggyish | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:48 pm     awww I think they should allow it. |
Costacat | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:48 pm     Is it a Korean ritual, or a Buddhist ceremony? |
Peachie | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:48 pm     Yes Kuchi he is and I did hear that part about eating, still havent figured it out yet though. Jun told Justin that it lasts about 10 to 20 minutes. |
Sbeachy | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:48 pm     Jee's father passed away 4 year's ago today, I think they are Buddhist, and there is a ritual they do on the day of death. Perhap's to celebrate the life of the one who has passed. Not sure, but I keep begging for more LFP's because this could be very interesting. |
Cinder | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:49 pm     He has been upset over this all day- since - ahem-BB reminded him by relaying a message fromhis family. He was more upset that he forgot- because he has not been keeping track of the days since he has been in the house. Robert has been very supportive to him all day. Sean meant 4 years ago today. |
Kuchi | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:49 pm     he did tell her they could all watch when she asked if they will be in lock down |
Starr | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:50 pm     Yes Jee is on the PBJ diet but I think BB should give in for the ritual this one time if all the others on PBJ diet agrees ..has something to do with setting fruit out an some kind of drink an Jun said he is suppose to have a taste or something along those lines in honor of his father.. |
Cinder | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:50 pm     If he were celebrating with his family he would have his father's favorite foods and some liquor. Glad someone finally started a thread on this. |
Seanflynn2003 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:51 pm     Sorry, years not days The food thing is so easy to compromise on - he just goes one more day on PB&J BB you don't look good on this one |
Bbwannab | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:52 pm     I think they should let him eat the food. It's not like he's going to eat a big feast! |
Gidget | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:52 pm     Jun knew the family well. Could she not perform the rite in Jee's place? |
Cinder | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:53 pm     True Sean- But BB did give him the message from his family this morning. Hmm- no outside contact. But I am sure everyone would be satisfied with substituting a different PB & J day. |
Puzzled | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:55 pm     That is really horrible of BB. What is the matter with them?? |
Tishala | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:57 pm     They have such a perfectly honorable record on things that really matter, doncha know? Remember Monica and 11 September? But if it were some stupid "wish"--like seeing an agent--BB would figure out a way to accomidate them. |
Peachie | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:58 pm     If it is a ritual that his family does ever year it would not hurt BB to let this happen and let others join if they want. Jee seems ok with it but kinda down too. |
Costacat | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:59 pm     I don't know what Buddhist sect Jee and his family belonged to, but generally, you give offerings such as rice, fruit, and water. A gong is sounded, and candles and incense is burned. Prayers are chanted. Edited to add: I've never heard of anyone eating the offerings during the ceremony but, again, I don't know what sect they practice. The offerings are intended to honor Buddha as well as the dead (initially, they are to help the dead on their way towards enlightenment). |
Cinder | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:59 pm     How could I have forgotten about 9/11. I was so worried that they had not been told- regardless of whether or not Monica had a family member missing- they should have been told. Ed- told earlier than what they were. |
Maris | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:01 pm     The family has to perform the rite so Jun doing it would not be the same. Jee said it is to honor his father. Jee said he will lay fruit out and the liquor. Big brother said he cannot taste it and Jun got angry about it. Jee said it was ok at least he honors him. Jack said Big Brother couldnt accomodate him because then they would have to make accomodations for every religion and every family death. Robert just looked at him and said what do you mean every family? Jack said no way Big brother can accomodate a request like that. Jack not in agreement with everyone else that it is F'ed up and BB should let him do it. Dana asked well couldnt he do a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Jun said it is supposed to be the fathers favorite foods not just food. lol |
Lurknomore | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:03 pm     That will forever live in my opinion as the worst thing Arnie has EVER done...and most heartless. All of America was crying with their family, friends and TV and they sat there oblivious, all the more horrific because of Monica's cousin. That was just WRONG! |
Wadsters | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:03 pm     I say Jee should do what he has to do, force them to act and watch the negative reaction of the viewers on BB being foolish. Robert can eat a cookie by mistake, but Jee can't eat a bit of fruit to honour his father. Give me a break. |
Weinermr | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:03 pm     Korean Religion A common religious practice throughout East Asia, the veneration of clan and family ancestral spirits has permeated Korean society at all levels and is ritually manipulated by Confucianism, Buddhism, shamanism, and more recently, Christianity. In all its forms it is the ritual basis for Korean clan and family solidarity and the minimum standard of ethical behavior. At the local and national level Korean ancestral veneration has broadly included the semiannual rites to Confucius and his Chinese and Korean disciples (Kor. sokchon) offered at the Shrine to Culture on the grounds of the National Academy in Seoul, South Korea; the worship of Tan'gun, the mythical founder of Korea's first kingdom and guardian spirit of the Korean people, the worship of Kija, founder of another ancient kingdom and teacher of Chinese civilization; the devotion offered to royal ancestors by each ruling house on the peninsula; and the memorial and feasting rites offered to the teachers and founders of Buddhist, Confucian, and other religious lineages. In modern times it includes government-sponsored memorial rites for military victims of the Korean War and worship at the government shrine to General Yi Sunsin (1545-1611), a defender of the peninsula during the period of Japanese invasions and a model of absolute loyalty to civil authority. In its most common form, Korean ancestral veneration was and still is carried out through use of the Confucianized ritual feasting with the souls of the dead (chesa) either at the graveside or at a shrine set up for this purpose. This ritual feasting is normally performed on the death anniversary successively for three years. Thereafter, a smaller version or memory rite (kije) is performed twice a year at the time of the New Year (Sindan) and the Harvest Festival (Ch'usok). At such times family members gather at the gravesite or clan shrine, clean the site, and then make a food offering before a spirit tablet or, in more recent times, a photograph of the departed. Before the table of offerings a small incense burner is placed and incense and cups of wine are offered by the male members of the worshiping group. The order of the rite, whether large or small, usually involves an invocation and welcoming of the spirits of the dead, a series of prostrations and wine libations, an acknowledgment that the spirits have feasted well and that all merits and blessings of the worshiping group are due to their graciousness, and the consumption of food by those present. In Korean Buddhist variants of ancestral rites Buddhist clerics read prayers and scriptural passages for the final liberation of the dead in other realms. Water, candles, incense, and strips of paper on which are written prayers may be placed on a temple altar before a photograph or spirit tablet, behind which is the urn or box containing the ashes of the deceased. Buddhist memorial rites for the dead may be commissioned as needed (on anniversaries of birth and death) or commissioned yearly at the time of the Festival of All Souls. Buddhist memorial rites for lineage personalities (teachers, patriarchs, former abbots and abbesses) are usually held daily or yearly at a shrine within the monastery compound or at a reliquary site. Korean shamanistic rituals for the dead (ogugut, nokkut, and paridegigut) manipulate and send forth the spirits of the recent dead, helping them turn into ancestors and establishing them in a paradisiacal afterlife. Finally, Korean Christian rituals for ancestral spirits, reinterpreted as a memorial rite, tend either to follow the traditional Confucian feasting rituals or Western forms of memorial masses and prayer services conducted at a church |
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