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Lisad

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wish Ericka and Jack didn't negotiate. If they could have held out like they said - then I wish they would have held out.

I don't have a problem with them making a deal with Jee (I'd trust him). But I do have a problem (worry) about the deal with Ali. She's not trustable. Just look what happened last night. I watched the whole thing and it seemed to me they had a plan. Ali would leave, then Jack, then Jee & Erica in the final cage - Erica to win. Did that happen? No - Ali made comments that she was staying forever, etc.

I distrust what Ali will do so much that I wish Erica would have stood it out with her. Or made a better deal with Ali.

Is something wrong with my logic?

Cameltoes

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Erika did have her promise not to use the POV. It really doesn't make much difference. Ali would be trying to save Justin whether she cut a deal or not. If Erika just outlasted her, she could have left without even promising not to use the POV because she knew she wasn't going to be put up anyway.

Lisad

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Camel - Yes, true. I guess I'm rooting for the E/J alliance and am concerned about the Ali factor and her connection with Justin.

It's late and I'm not thinking. Help me out here... Justin & Robert are going up. If POV isn't used, isn't it possible for the voting can go thusly?

Jack - justin
Erica - Justin
Jun - Rob
Jee - Rob
Ali - Rob

Is there anything I'm missing (negotiation-wise) that prevents the above scenario?

Cliotheleo

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nothing prevents that scenario. As a matter of fact, that's basically what Jee told Robert would happen today.

I can't figure out why in the heck they'd be dumb enough to keep Justin around, but you won't hear me complain!

Lisad

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Clio - That bothers me because I semi see Jee as being relatively honest. Can't see Jun not voting Justin out though. Shoot - And that POV is coming. LOL - This week is going to be intense isn't it. No matter who you are rooting for.

Cliotheleo

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh yeah, I totally think Jee was being truthful in what he was saying to Robert. Why would he need to lie about it? "I just wanted to let you know what was going on" he said.

I'm stumped as to why they'd keep Justin. Unless of course they're doing it for MY benefit in which case I appreciate it! :)

Cameltoes

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When Jee first talked to Justin he was hedging when talking about the POV. He was talking about how if it's used, he is sure to go up. Justin reminded him that if he won it and used it he wouldn't be, and Jee was caught off guard and kind of stuttered. He couldn't tell Justin about his deal not to use POV.

The first time he talked to Robert, he avoided telling him outright that he made a promise along with Ali to vote him out. Instead he repeated what Justin told him earlier about "letting the chips fall where they may".

I think Jee may be saying things about using the POV but I really think he will throw the competition.

Cliotheleo

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh yeah. Anyone in their right mind (other than Erika, Jack, Justin or Robert) would try to throw it. The rest have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Widowswalk

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I don't trust Jee. On live feeds about 4:22pm on thursday, Jee went to Robert and told him in so many words that he(Jee), Ali, and Jun were going to vote him out and keep Justin. Robert said he was ready to go and didn't care. Erika needs to put Jee up with Justin, not Robert.

Cameltoes

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, from what Jun has been saying to Erika and Jack, I find it hard to believe she would vote to keep Justin. She most definitely doesn't want Ali to have whatever safety net Justin gives her.

Cliotheleo

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When did Jee, Jun and Ali have the conversation to keep Justin and boot Robert? Did anyone catch that?

C1mag

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I gotta chime in real fast.... They don't have Jun's vote to do that jut yet. she hasn't said she would do something like that. Of coarse I think they will tell Jun that Rob has her as a target for next eviction and that will do the trick. She didn't want to keep nate cause he was considered stronger so why would she want to keep Justin? Screwing Erika and Jack over isn't gonna exactly make you bud's with Erika as Jun and Ali had promised her that it would be those three in the final 3.

Meggieprice

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Camel (and there has been quite a discussion about...well...cameltoes of all kinds over in late night chat...) I am watching AR with my DH right now- can you tell me what J/E/Jun are talking about?

C1mag

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Clio this conversation from Jee was Jee guessing how it would turn out. He said he would work on getting Jun but in the end Jun will vote for what is best and Ali already tried to hint about keeping Justin and Jun said ... "no it's time he goes." It's for the best so lets see how the play jun to get her vote.

Meggieprice

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for telling me on the other thread, Camel.

I agree C1, now that I read the LFP it was not said that Jun would vote Robert out- Robert said that, not Jee.

Charvie

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee was shispering to Justin that Ali made a deal with him that she'd vote Robert out with him and he told Justin that he would try and convince Jun to do the same. That is where it began. It has been snowballin' ever since.

Widowswalk

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope you guys are right. From what I got out of the Jee/Rob convo was Jee giving Rob a heads-up and not to get mad or be surprised. I hope I'm wrong as I can't take one more week of the smirking Justin. Rob is no favorite either but that j man has to get the boot now.

C1mag

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 12:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Widow I am with you in wanting Justin out because the man never asks anyone to save him every time he is the one who is the target. He just sits there and all of a sudden he is safe. This time around I think it's gonna be harder to save him unless he gets the veto tomorrow because in the end if he is on the block Jun will get rid of the person that would give ali too much power and the one that would control Jee. Both points to getting rid of Justin. Like I said she was the hold out in not keeping Nate and in the end they listened to her. Ali even tried early to put the idea in Juns head that Justin might stay cause it would be for the best and Jun cut it down real quick and said, "no he needs to go" and of coarse Ali said, "you are right he doesn't care if he goes now and we could easily beat Rob for hoh" I don't think they could ever convince Jun it's best to keep Justin other than if they convinced her Rob would target her for eviction if he gets hoh but she doesn't buy ali's game at all so maybe she would not listen.

Charvie

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 01:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jee was just covering his butt with Robert. Just in case Robert stays and finds out that Jee was campaigning against him behind his back.

Mack

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 06:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Without Justin neither Jee or Robert have the brain power. Robert's statement about "going down in BB history" is working out much different than he thought. For the first time this year I'm actually truly interested in this week. Watching J3 "suffer" will be fun!

Demeter

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 07:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, however delusional Robert is, he is correct, they will go down in BB history. All participants do. Heck, we even remember Will Mega who was the first booted from the US Big Brother house.

Anyone remember Will Mega and Brittany having their big blow up?

Sadly for Robert, unless he has some miraculous turn around, our memory of him will not be of the stud he'd like to think himself to be.

Puzzled

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If they only knew they will be remembered as the Three Stooges!