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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: America's Choice: Archive through August 17, 2003

Kmjm

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 05:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Juiceman, I disagree with you. I'm entitled to my opinion, and I believe it is well founded. <ModSd>

Robert does not confuse me, he offends me.

Jpgramma

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 05:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't read this whole thread (and, to be honest, can't be bothered to), so this has probably been mentioned a bunch of times already, but on the (very) off chance that it hasn't;

It's quite possible that the majority of the AC voters only know what they see on their TVs. Why CBS chooses to show what they do is beyond me.

They were so quick to show Erika's comments the 2nd week when Gee put her up for nomination (after he said she had been nommed because she couldn't be trusted?????), and they were oh so sure to get anything said or implied that made viewers wonder about Nates sexual orientation.

They've had no problem showing Ally's wicked ways... (justifiably so in that case) but some of the others?

I thought they were VERY soft on Dana. She was Hitler reincarnated during her week as HOH and what did we see on the broadcast? A pensive Dana on her HOH bed, by herself, with a tear or two trickling out of her eye. I watched with a dropped jaw, wondering who knew who on the BB staff. (eh..dats my niece on dat show. You better show some respect or you'll find a horse's head in yer bed)

As for the way Robert has been shown. Puleeeeeeze! CBS has chosen to depict him as the sensitive, caring father. Why have they decided to totally ignor the venom he spews about all of womankind on a daily basis? ?????????????????!!

sorry.. didn't mean to get on the soapbox. Only point I really meant to make is that the votes may simply be a result of how CBS has chosen to depict this man. As I said, it's probably been said a few dozen times already in this thread. <shrug>... stepping down from soapbox now.

Xarph

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 05:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My very, very low opinion of Robert results directly from things that I have heard on the live feeds.

To be fair, since I am getting my opinion from the live feeds, Robert has been a lot better in the last 18 hours. I have heard a different side of Robert and it is not all that bad. If he keeps this up I may change my opinions but I will never forget all that has he said in the past weeks.

Tishala

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 05:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Juice, with all due respect, I think you believe I said things I never said, even though I don't think Robert is the demon misogynist some want to believe him to be.

Scorpiomoon

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 05:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Xarph: Don't get your hopes up. We all know Robert has multiple personalities.

Spwisc

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 05:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's great seeing people discuss this thread with good points (both sides) and respect each other so nicely.

I doubt highly that CBS 'rigged' the America's Choice but yes, they do indeed sway the TV audience with all the guests.

Something else I've noticed is that age has a little to do with it. I like Jee4 and Jack but my parents like Erika and Jack and not Jee4 at all.

I've never seen Robert say the 'c' word but my question is did he refer directly to a woman in particular when he said it??

Xarph

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 06:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know the outcome was rigged. I set up a votebot to vote for Jack. It ran for 11 hours. There is no way Robert could have won unless some else ran a votebot for Robert. The votebot for this vote was very easy. All one had to do was set up a small browser simulation program to execute the following link over and over and over:

http://poll.cbs.com/poll?event_id=234&q1=4

Try it. Click on the link and vote for Jack. The link still works.

Pamy

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 06:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WOW! I didn't know that could be done. The computer whizes here never cease to amaze me!

Iceprincess

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe CBS has something set up to read the IP# where the vote came from and any that were coming in on a regular basis, like a bot were not counted.

Woofy

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 06:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Most probably what Iceprincess suggested is correct.

Wendo

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 06:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spwisc, no, Robert didn't refer to a particular woman when he used the word c**t. Instead, he called ALL women c**ts.

Tishala

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Great! Now we can discuss the value of the universal versus the particular and see which is better. It's a crazy, mixed-up Kantian world.

Wendo

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 06:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Tishala, good point.

Xarph

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 06:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Most likely CBS does not read IPs. Very, very few poll site check IPs. Storing and looking up IPs is server CPU intensive operation when you have ten of thousands of people voting. It is almost never done for polling.

If the poll site really cares, they will set a Cookie. Setting the Cookie stops 99.99% of all re-votes and uses the client CPU. You can get around this by clearing your cookies after each vote, but that is labor intensive. Of course if you can create a synthetic browser you can avoid the cookie issue too.

CBS uses the same poll URL for all of its polls. None of these polls are important enough for CBS to go to the trouble of stopping re-votes.

Costacat

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In response to Wendo... And that's why, no matter what anyone says, my opinion of Robert will never change. The fact that he has a daughter does not change my opinion of him either. When HE changes HIS opinion of women, then, and only then, will my opinion change.

Spwisc

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 06:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Xarph, I didn't know you could do something like that automatically. Your probably right though, other people figured it out and did the votebot for Robert. I voted for Jee 5 times, I thought that was a fair amount since that was the amount of votes that "Fame" let through on their phone voting.

If you've ever looked at the Big Brother Updates site, there was a poll about America's Choice and when I voted for Jee and looked at the results and Robert was about twice as much as the other HG's, I thought Robert would win in the CBS site also.

Philamom

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 07:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Xarph ... so could that votebot thing be done with the BB popularity polls at CBS, too? Cause Ali's popularity scores have doubled since Friday (I posted somewhere else about this, looking for an answer), and I didn't think her popularity could have possibly increased that much (she went from 3.6 average on Friday, and she's now at 7.4). I've been looking for an explanation ... maybe a votebot is doing it? I watch those polls at CBS on and off, and before this the biggest change I've ever seen is two-tenths of one point in a day. So it's got me wondering.

Kmjm

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, let me try to say this in a less inflammatory way so I don't get modded again. I am disturbed by the stereotyping of those who don't like Robert's language and attitudes as confused older women. I would never assume anything similar about Robert's supporters- I expect they represent a range of types of people with different views and experiences from mine. (Even though they're wrong and I'm right, LOL.)

The mods on this site do a great job of keeping the discussion on ideas and opinions rather than allowing it to get personal, and I like it that way.

Ryn

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 07:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
FWIW - I voted for Robert - I am NOT a fan of Roberts, but I am a father with 3 young boys. He obviously cares A LOT about his daughter - and thats why I voted for him, and franly I think thats why he won, there are a lot of parents out there who know how he must feel. While Jack does have children, they are much older.

I'm very glad he won.

Costacat

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bellinis for Kmjm.

Kmjm

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now that's what I call service, Costacat- I request them on one thread and you deliver them to me on another! Many thanks! And now I think I really need to down one fast and then... move on!

Xarph

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 07:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Philamom, a votebot could be created for the popularity vote, but it would be much more complicated. The polularity vote is not binary. It is weighted. They use some interesting Javascript to step you through the evaluation of each HG.

It could be done but it certainly would not be worth the effort (to me)

Juiceman

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I cant believe no one is chiding and booing Xarph for vote rigging?? Thats not fair man.
Let it be a fair vote regardless of who wins please.

[It is possible CBS found ways to filter those auto voter progs -but in any case it is not fair.]

I guess I am in the minority but I watch Robert on the live feeds and the show and he is one of my favourite BB guests of all time.

I don't like his juvenile 'street talk' and he says things in very graphic and 'unattractive' ways but I do not believe he is a woman-hater (though I sense some superficial bitterness).

I happen to think he is one of the most sincere and 'real' guests Ive every seen.

It isnt glib comments that 'prove' what kind of person Robert is - its Actions.

His actions prove to me he has a lot of respect for everyone and especially women.
-Michelle said Robert was one of the only people who was nice to her in the house
-Rob showed Erika so much genuine respect yesterday I almost got choked up.
-Rob even consoled Allison when she would start crying (man.. I know I wouldnt!)
-If you stop and think about it, you cant think of a single incident where Rob was disrespectful to ANY of the women in the house???


Im talking Actions and Conversations with women -NOT 'BSing chatter' with Jee and Justin.

Well, in any case its subjective favouritism and we all have our favourites and dislikes.

At this point anyone in the game should get some credit for playing well enough to get this far.

Zachsmom

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 08:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
any man who respects women would never spew the filth and venom that he does..even in jest.

Spwisc

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 09:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Juiceman, I agree with you. I wouldn't be proud of using artifical means to vote for someone unfairly. We can only hope some of the CBS producers see this and find a way to prevent it from happening.

I just watched Craddle to Grave with DMX and if I took the words/songs to heart I could be offended too, but I don't. Actions speak louder than words and your right Juiceman, he hasn't disrespected any woman in that house.