Nate hate must stop.
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Nate hate must stop.
Didi8367 | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 08:26 am     Hi All: Another Okie lurker coming out to defend my state here. Am I the only one who can see the irony in all of the stereotypically negative Okie comments about Nate's stereotypically negative racial/sexual identity comments? Hello, kettle, this is the pot . . . you're black! I mean, it really doesn't lend much credence to comments when using a negative stereotype to criticizy someone for furthering negative stereotypes! btw, great post nanc! Didi |
Sasman | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 08:50 am     I for one have no idea if Nate is racist or not. I do know that many Jews, including myself, are not happy when Jews marry outside of their faith. This also may or may not be racism but for me its about maintaining a Jewish tradition in this country and not completely assimilating. We are such a small minority that we could easily for the most part just disappear. The second reason for me is that marriage is so difficult that spouses should be as close culturally as possible to give themsevles the best shot at a successful relationship. So, on this one, I'm giving Nate the benefit of the doubt. And as a New Yorker, I love the Oakies; they were some of the first to respond to the 9/11 tragedy. |
Chelle | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 08:54 am     I am a member of the "I love Nate" fan club. I will also join those in the "can't wait to see Dana go" club as well. |
Didi8367 | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:03 am     OK, I wasn't going to bring this up, but Sasman brings up a good point. (btw, Sasman, As an Okie, I love the New Yorkers! Ha-Ha! Actually,I lived in NYC for 5 years--went to grad school at NYU--and was pleasantly surprised to find that the people there are really much warmer than they are (again stereotypically) said to be.) Anyway, when I was college (at the University of Oklahoma), I dated a black guy (I am white) for about a year. My parents were not (as far as I ever knew, anyway) at all concerned about this. However, it really did bother some members of this guy's family--especially, it seemed, his mom and twin sister. They were never outright rude to me, but they were very stand-offish on the few occasions I was around them and they flat out told him (not in front of me, of course) that they did NOT like him dating me. It really had nothing to do with me, personally. It was more because they felt that it would be a "waste" (their exact words according to him) if a "successful, intelligent, well-educated, guy like him." were to become seriously involved or marry a white girl. They just felt that it would be better for their community if he married a black girl. ALSO, they also brought up that they mixed race children often encountered problems growing up due to the fact that they wouldn't "really be black OR white." Let me reiterate, THEY had those concerns. Not me. Not my Okie family. I am honestly telling you that it NEVER came up with anyone in my family and we are, like, 5th or 6th generation Okies. btw, my boyfriend (and his family) was from California. He was at OU playing on a football scholarship. Now, I can't imagine many (if any) of you would call this family or Sasman a racist for expressing their concerns. But you're very quick to label Nate for doing the same. <mk> I'm MUCH more disturbed by Erica's flat-out derogatory comments about Jee being a "fresh of the boat f*****g immigrant." Now THAT'S racism. Expressing concerns about the cultural identiy of children born of a black/white relationship is not. Didi |
Lurknomore | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:11 am     What an excellent and intelligent post Didi...I'm so glad you delurked It's a good reminder how many layers life's complicated issues come with, yet how often we get stuck on just the outer one. (all that said I still think it was wrong for the producers to do a segment on Nate that way based solely on Ali's comments and never clarify how he felt). |
Way2prissy | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:10 am     Personally, I like Nate. I think he has some growing up to do (like a few others in the house). I am sure some of his prejudices will disappear as he matures and learns more about being a adult. I know a lot of my opinions changed once I was in the "real world." Nate appears to have a good heart. I think that is the most important trait in life. I hope he has a strong heart too...I am sure he will encounter some nasty anti-homosexual remarks when he leaves the house--courtesy of his "friend" Allison. This thread reminds me of that peom "Children Live What They Learn" Anyone heard of it? |
Didi8367 | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:13 am     Thanks Lurknomore. I'm glad I did to. Maybe it will spur me on to post more! |
Sasman | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:16 am     Didi, you went to my favorite school. I've always say that if I could do things differently, I would have gone to NYU. I just love the energy of the Village. Don't you miss it? |
Crazydog | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 12:48 pm     Watching FOXNews makes you part of the right-wing? I've never though of Fox as particularly biased. Now MSNBC, on the other hand, I feel is very liberal leaning. Or at least Brian Williams is. I remember watching on 9/11, and the only thing Brian Williams kept repeating over and over was "where is George Bush, why has he gone into hiding, he should be making a statement." Maybe it's because the country was under attack and it was important to move the president to a safe location. |
Nothing2do | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 12:55 pm     You might as well have had named this thread "If you hate Nate, post here!!".... |
Omegabubbles | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 01:00 pm     Nates ok. When I look in his face I still see a young kid. I think he has a good heart too. I hope Ali doesn't turn on him. They remind me of siblings. |
Didi8367 | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 01:58 pm     Sasman: I do miss New York a lot. However, I go back and visit 2 or 3 times a year so I get my fix! The choice to move back to OK had a lot to do w/ my family being here AND the fact that I got a job offer here that gives me the ability (financially, I mean) to travel back to New York pretty much whenever I want. The jobs I was being offered in New York barely gave me the ability to pay my rent, much less travel home to see my family! I feel like I've made a pretty good compromise. btw, when I first moved out there, I worked at the American Friends of the Israel Museum (a non-profit that raises money to support the Israel Museum in Jerusalem.) I was one of two non-Jewish people that worked in the office. It was absolutely one of the best experiences I have ever had. I learned SO much. I had no IDEA how much I didn't know! I was 24. That experience is another reason I, like you, am willing to give Nate the benefit of the doubt. Didi |
Mystery | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 02:21 pm     I hate Nate and feel no need to stop the hate. |
Lancecrossfire | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 02:26 pm     Wow--I don't know him well enough to hate him. Others must have known him before he went into the house to have such strong feelings toward a person. |
Maris | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 02:27 pm     I dont hate Nate at all, I do think he is ignorant. His accent gets on my last nerve, kind of like Dana's accent annoys a lot of you. I cant even listen to Nathan talk I have to turn off the feeds. Same thing with Jack, cant stand his accent either. Its funny because Amy's accent never bothered me |
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