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Maris

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If she puts up Justin, she has to deal with Erika, Nathan, Jack and possibly Jun might vote out Justin. She wants Dana out and will put someone in there to guarantee that. She might put in Jee or Robert, people her alliance can use later on.

She will make sure Dana is gone and putting Justin in there will not guarantee it.

Bmh

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah but IF Dana wins the POV and vetos herself..Unless Alison wants to piss off Nate,Jack,and Erika even more than she did when he was not nominated to begin with she will nominate Justin...Alison would be stupid not to nominate Justin if Dana wins POV

So this is how I see it

If Jun wins the veto...She will veto herself and Alison will probably put up Robert because if she puts up Justin...He would probably go over Dana

If Dana wins the veto..She will veto herself and Alison will be basically forced to nominate Justin..And he will go.

Rissa

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It would be dumb for her to have nominated both Dana/Justin at one time... since she wants Dana gone more, put her up against someone weak. Which is what Ali did by putting Dana/Jun up together.

If POV results in Dana off the list then I can see putting Justin up in her place. A Justin/Jun ticket gets Justin out (keeping in mind that a tie means Ali decides). If POV gets Jun off the list then no way would I put up Justin... I would put up Jee, keeping in mind that my #1 target is Dana and I don't want her on the list with anyone who might split my alliances voting.

This way Ali is guaranteed one of the two (Justin/Dana) is gone. My only question is whether she would risk everything to keep playing mind games with Justin rather then nominate him. I understand her current choices but if Dana comes off through POV and Justin does NOT go up.... then Ali is clearly in LaLa land and not playing the game, not THIS game anyway. LOL

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't know if anyone mentioned this
Isn't one of the reasons Allison put up Jun vs Dana is that she knows that in the eviction vote Jun likely would cast hers to keep Dana in?
If you want someone out, don't you put a vote to keep the person in from voting?
If Allison has figured that out, then give her credit for thinking smart

Cinder

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sean- That has not been mentioned this year by the houseguests. That was always the #1 reason last year to put up the "couples"

Minnyace01

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I still contend that if Justin wins the POV, he will take Dana off the block and then Ali has nothing for being HOH.

Jagger

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Ali has an alliance with Justin so I don't think there is any way she will nominate him, at least I hope she doesn't.

My guess is if either of the 2 get the POV that it may be Robert who is put up in her place.

Zachsmom

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jagger...that alliance is one sided . Justin would boot out Ali in a heartbeat.

Spunky

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, I was saying between Robert and Jun, Ali should evict Jun. But of course, Robert shouldn't be in there in the first place...:)

When you say if she puts Justin up the majority would vote for him to go...supposedly with Jun saved? Yes, of course, they'll get rid of Justin and not Dana because Jack, Erika and Nate want Justin out... I'm afraid she'll not put Justin up.

Keiffer

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am still not getting something here. I keep hearing people say that if she was playing for her alliance she would have nomminated Justin. WHY?

Dana is the one who WAS in their alliance and turned on them in the worst way possible (by nomminating two of her alliance), she has one more then one compitition, she nomminated Ali already once, and she is pretty irritating to ahve around. I think had Ali put Justin up with her that some of the stooges would have looked at it as a chance to get Justin out without having to do it themselves, add to that nate, Erik, and Jacks votes and Justin would ahve left not Dana.

ALSO: Why is Justin so much more of threat that Jun, Robert, or Jee? Have I missed some sort of scary talent he has for winning things? In the long term would you have thought Ali was a stronger competitor that Nate, but she is the HoH not him.

Cliotheleo

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Rissa because that's ALWAYS a good strategy when you want someone to go, put a decoy up with them. Works EVERY time. Look at how well it worked with Ali and Dana last week.

Spunky

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer,

Since day one Justin has been calling the shots, first when Jee was HOH then with Dana as HOH and he's stoo smart for Ali's own good...

Minnyace01

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer - the thing is this, the 2 strongest players in the other alliance are Justin and Dana. If they were put up and the veto not used, she would have the votes to vote out Dana. But, if Justin wins the POV, I believe that he will use the veto and pull Dana off the block, leaving both of the stronger players in the game. If he does not win the veto and Dana stays up and is voted out, it will be a wash and one of the other teams stronger players would be out.

Cinder

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
DANA (or Jun)must win the veto because Minnyace01 puts it as clearly as Jack was (finally) able to make it sound to me.

Oh yeah- and Ali must put up Justin (even though I like him- I do not like his alliance)

Kalekona

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with an Ali/justin allience how strong it is, is another matter. I think that's why she is so "positive" Jun and Jee have one..because yesterday she said Erika and Robert have one.. I think she knows nothing for sure about Jun/Jee but thinks if she can do it all the other eX's will too.

Keiffer

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Is Justin calling the shots or is Jun?

They had almost decided to keep David last week until Jun stepped in and got them after David again. Also who did Dana rely on more before her nommminations? Jun or Justin? I would say Jun there too. Add to that when Jee was HoH he listened to what Robert wanted by putting up Erika for eviction.

SO, what great influence had Justin really had? Any examples?

Keiffer

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Minny I get everyone's strategy position if it is true that Justin is truly one of the two strongest players for the other side. I am just not seeing his great power.

Cinder

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer- no- no examples. I am upset that Jack does not know that Jun is the one who decided Dave would go- but Justin is better at getting close to winning competitions.

Kalekona

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
None, justin is a threat to Nate as the only buff good looking guy left in the house, nate has transfered that into "justin is the strongest player" Jun is the brains, Dana the mouth, but the stregnth is the Jee3's together...

Meggieprice

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer- I agree with you- I have not yet really heard the level of gamesmanship from Justin that we heard from Dave and definitely from Jun last week. However he is a serious threat in physical competitions, and the way he played Ali yesterday was something to watch. He also easily lies to both Ali and dana to manipulate things the way he wants them to go. I think the thing that I saw as interesting was Ali's willingness to defy her own (admittedly weak) alliance and not nominate Justin. That could come back to bite her.

There is no way Justin will really stick with Ali.

Cliotheleo

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You don't think Justin's smart Kale? I think he's just being quiet. He hasn't shown me a dumb move yet.

Keiffer

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cinder while Justin has gotten close to winning some things, it has actually been Dan (twice), and Jee (HoH) that have actually HAD wins.

Plus Ali proved last week you do not need to be the strongest player to win. Lisa proved the same thing last year in getting the last HoH.

I say the real threat is the person who has already tried to get you out.

Minnyace01

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer - my opinion on it is based upon who can win the competitions. I don't believe that Jun or Robert are any threat to win anything. I kind of think that it was a fluke that Jee won a HOH. On the other side, I'm not sure that Jack or Erica are ever going to win anything. That leaves you with Ali and Nate vs Dana and Justin. Getting out one of the stronger players on the opposing sides is essential, unless you falsely believe that you are in an alliance with one. That's why I think that she would have been much better off staying with Nate, not bad mouthing him, and voting off one of her stronger opponents. Though, I still think in the long run, that a Justin-Nate alliance could come down.

Kalekona

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
no i think justin is smart i was just talking about where they all fit in as part of that allience. (justin has made some really smart moves but would have made the dumest if not for Jun)

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Methinks a number of people are confusing those who have not won competitions with those who have chosen not to win competitions

There are downsides to winning HoH and PoV, and several of the HGs likely have figured that out

Many said 2 years ago that Will was not a threat because he didn't win contests; did Lisa win much last year?

Please note that when not eating PB&J was the issue, Jun has been on the winning side both times