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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: So predicatable...Segment on Nate as a stud: Archive through August 05, 2003

Lurknomore

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 05:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I called it last week...I knew they were gonna turn the tides of the BS they showed last week and show Nate as a Lady's Man. So darn predicatable.

Oh brother rollingeyes

Justshirley

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 05:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spoke a tad too soon, eh? The "Nathan's Feminine Side" montage portrayed Nathan more as a Lady than a Lady's Man.

Lurknomore

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 05:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL I couldn't believe it...but they did go back to predictable when they showed Nate yelling I LIKE WOMEN!!!!!

Boy the production staff has it in for Nate. Wonder why?

And they made Robert look HUMAN....nice and caring. I didn't think that was possible.
BLECH good thing I wasn't eating.

Sunni

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 05:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I missed that one I have to rewind my tape when it's over. I thought they showed Alison to be the "stud". I was laughing so hard when they were teasing her about her kissing every guy. :)

Laisey

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 06:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tonight was sort of equal opportunity embarass the HG.

Smokey

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 06:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I sure didn't get that it was a segment on Nate the stud. I think he was portrayed more as Nate the studette. :)

Cameltoes

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 06:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seemed like damage control. As if the whole Ali thinks Nate is gay thing is just part of the whole house teasing him by questioning his masculinity. Then purposefully showing him asserting his heterosexuality.

Lurknomore

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There were 2 segments...the first showed Nate as a stud (then I posted during the commercial). Then there was a 2nd one that was just odd...the one about his feminine side and how he was ogling Jee etc, then ending with him saying he likes women.

I expected the first segment as a rebuttal to last weeks gay insinuations, but not at all sure were they were going with the second segment. Tonights show was pretty lame all in all...about as boring as the feeds.

Least you New Yawkers (sorry the old accent pops out) didn't miss much IMHO.

Lakegal

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 06:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm just glad I have the feeds or I would be thinking Robert is a nice and caring man. He was there for Jee, friendly with Erika. Likes Dana because she is Cuban. The lies go on and on...

Cameltoes

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 06:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep Lakegal.. they didn't show that he HAS been going after Erika even after he told her that he wouldn't.

Maris

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 06:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert is the one person who will make me barf if he makes it to the final two. He has a real sleazy character about him. Perfect as a used car salesman.

Pannie

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 06:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, yeah, a car salesman sounds 'bout right. Smarmy.

Wonder when he'll backstab his Jee3 buddies?

Twiggyish

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That was my take, too Cameltoes. I thought it was damage control, too.

Maris, are you bashing used car salesmen? ..LOL

Maris

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 06:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont know Twiggy, I just keep thinking of Herb Tarleck (sp) from the old WKRP in Cincinnati show. He is so herb. I could call him a radio spot salesman.

As I have watched the feeds today I am seeing Jun and Robert working very closely together. They are using each other and my bet is they will turn on Justin.

What555456

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am very uncomfortable with what BB is doing with Nate. From everything I have seen, I think it is possible Nate is gay. I am NOT saying he is. But there are signs there -- more than just the montage of him getting in touch with his feminine side. (Hell I know of very few gay men who are feminine.)

The problem is, Nate is a fundamentalist Christian. If he is gay, the becomes a real problem for him. He also has been taught that homosexuality is a choice. Hence, he denies it, even to himself and even while he is drawn to men, because he believes he simply has to make a different choice. If he does not, he may see himself as condemned by God to hell.

Thus, his internal struggle is immense and the consequences of forcing him to deal with it before he is capable of doing so, can be tragic, i.e. think suicide. It is not that unusual among fundamentalist Christian homosexuals to attempt it, if not achieve it. After all, if you are going to hell anyway....

Add to this his right to inform his parents and friends, who likely have the same views as he has about this, in a way that he needs to inform them and only after he has come to terms with it himself. He knows how they feel, and probably expects even his mother is likely to condemn him to hell if he is gay. (I'd bet she wouldn't, but he does not know that).

If he is gay and needs to tell them, it is going to be very delicate and very difficult, more so than for most gay men who come out to their parents because of the religious beliefs they have.

The problem we have is that the people putting on this show are from LA -- and the entertainment industry to boot. Homosexuality, to them, is not that big of a deal. They know it may be hard to come out, but they figure it is just a process every gay man needs to go through. So, no doubt in their minds they have no trouble pushing Nate a little to see if he is gay and if so, whether they get him to come out on national TV.

They have no idea, though, of the serious -- very serious -- consequences if he is gay, is not ready to deal with it and the conflicts his religion causes for him, is placed under the stress of these circumstances and comes out publicly -- or even privately just to himself.

Again, I am NOT saying Nate is gay. But I think the producers may be playing with a fire here that they do not really understand and that can be very destructive if they keep fanning the flames.

Twiggyish

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, I agree. I was thinking about the poor used car salesmen of this world. Surely, they're not as sleazy as Nate.

Honestly, I don't care if he is gay or not gay. I just wonder why the show keeps going on and on about it.

Lurknomore

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
EXACTLY Twiggy....why is it such an issue, especially when Nate has never said or done anything to bring such intense scrutiny on his sexuality. What is up with these producers?? It's not even interesting the way the presenting it....just potentially embarassing and confusing IMHO.

Sunni

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What is wrong with a heterosexual man shaving his chest hair? Actors have been doing this for years. I don't think it should insinuate that Nate is gay.
I wonder if there was a female HG who did not shave her legs or arms and bit her nails would she be a lesbian?
I don't care for the "Does this make Nate gay?" montages that BB made.
I want to feel like Robert is not a mutant, but when he thought Jee was crying over his girlfriend I just rolled my eyes, he should have just asked Jee what was up.

Twiggyish

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Will shaved his body, too.

Sunni

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Twiggyish-Will shaving his body was an event that I enjoyed :)

Omegabubbles

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nate is very good looking. If he were a girl they'd be calling him a ho. Good looking people make others nervous or something so they always have to put them down. I don't think Nate is gay, just too good looking for the group.

Neciefranklin

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I honestly don't think Nathan is gay. I just don't think he has any interest in any of the women left in the house. Michelle, the sweet thing that she is, seems to be his type. I believe, had she stayed, that things might have progressed further. I also think that most of the hg's are just teasing him and don't really believe that he is gay either. Just a thought.

Seanflynn2003

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What
Your analysis is incisive, thoughtful and very humane.
I disagree about the thought of recklessness on the part of the producers.
Though they may live in LA, they are smart enough (and if they aren't, CBS lawyers who would vet the program are) not to mess with someone who is sexually conflicted -- I don't think they are the insensitive, or even if they are, reckless enough -- to do what you suggest.
They have shrinks talk to the HGs before, have a pretty clear bio on them
I believe one of two things is true -- either that Nate's preference for women is clearly established beyond any doubt
OR
he has been fooling us and is already out in real life, and this is something that is going to come up on the program soon
BB does not want to be the first reality show to have blood on its hands.

Laisey

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My biggest problem is that these people are not actors playing a role BB has created. They are in there as themselves. I'll admit AS is producing a pretty good TV show; unless, of course, you follow the feeds and realize these guys are bored out of the minds and reverted to high school locker room humor.

To me the sad thing is that BB is presented as "reality" TV and I expect that to the average non-nerd TV show only viewer what they are shown on the show is what they believe to be the real HGs. They have no idea how much is taken out of context or how many leading questions are asked in the DR.

These people have to go back home to family, friends, and, possibly, romantic relationships. They're not just walking down the street to look for another role to play. Even if their loved ones did follow the feeds, what about their friends? I wonder how pleasant Nate's parents found chruch last Sunday. I'd be willing to bet they got some side glances.

AS could have backed off the embarassing aspects of this, but didn't. His portrayal of Ali certainly didn't present a great picture of her, even though it was true. It just really gets to me that this is the type of show AS wants or he just doesn't have the ability to edit in a way that would correct the mistake he made originally with the X factor and casting. I doubt any of these people signed up to have this type of image displayed to the country.

Maris

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Laisey that is what people are looking for. Pick any HG and read some of the stuff that is written about them on these boards alone. I am guilty too, didnt I call Robert sleazy today. Everyone forgets that these are real people and may actually one day be stupid enough to visit websites.

Regardless of what you think about Dana, I would hope that she never comes to a site like this with some of the horrific things written about her. Robert is the same but I doubt he would come to these websites because he never watched the show.

The producers are just fulfilling the desire to see people humiliated.