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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Jun & Allison want to be final 2 with each other: Archive through September 01, 2003

Seanflynn2003

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 08:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The two are now discussing that because no one is angry at Erika they don't want to be in the finals with her.
They sound like they wouldn't mind Robert winning HoH next week since they are sure that Erika will be put out,and whoever has the vote will vote her out.
Makes sense, now we will see if they keep their secret.

K9lover1

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 08:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Are you questioning whether or not they will tell Robert that he can get the HOH? I doubt they would do that. I think they are assuming they will be safe if he wins it, but I dont' think they'll propose that to him. My question is whether or not he will put up Ali and Jun?

Cameltoes

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun seems really confident that Rob wants Erika out next but he told Jee that he wants Ali out next. He avoided Ali's question when she asked him who he was going after. He just said "I don't know.. any one of you three girls and that's all I care about".

Seanflynn2003

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 08:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think they are proposing it per se, just making each other understand they both will vote off Erika if it is a Robert HoH and either Jun or Allison against her.
Nothing is totally predictable, but my guess is that it is pretty likely that Robert would have Erika as one of the two.

Kuchi

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 08:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
if I remember correctly Rob told Jee that "I hate those two even more than erika..I want them out" So if he wins I see him putting JUN and ALI up.

K9lover1

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 08:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really want Erika to win this and if anyone says she did not play the game I totally disagree. Everyone has a strategy, and if hers was to get along, what makes that any less of a valid strategy. Why is it that lying and being sneaky is always valued more as a form of strategy. If Jun wins I'll be ok with it (not happy, but ok) but I really would be disappointed if Rob or Ali takes it.

K9lover1

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And the fact that no one is angry at her (Erika) is a commentary to how well she handled herself during the game.

Charvie

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 08:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing is they are jealous of Erika. Why? I don't know. Yes she is attractive, has maintained a cool head and hasn't flashed or hit on any of the men. But they had the same option as well. Robert has been pretty vocal about putting up Ali and Jun if he gets HOH. To him they are more scummy than Erika. It to me is a sad state of affairs. The women are letting their insecurities get in the way of playing the game. Alison and Jun no more stand a chance winning against Robert than Erika so why the get rid of Erika campaign? And haven't they learned their lesson from Jee?

Shoegalnj

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 08:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They certainly can't be jealous of her choices of boyfriends.

Cameltoes

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 08:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well... at least not until they meet Josh

K9lover1

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Are you hearing Ali telling Erika that it will be ali and erika in the finals?

K9lover1

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Please Please Erika DON"T fall for Ali's crap.

Kmjm

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That Ali- she can't stop playing both sides! What a piece of work she is!

Shoegalnj

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope Ali gets in the final two so she'll see just how well everyone thinks she played the game when she doesn't get one vote in her favor.

K9lover1

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Makes you want to hop on the next plane and throw messages over the wall. I'd like to see everyone of them hear what each other said and then watch the free for all to the finals. That would be easier than watching this.

Cameltoes

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She's been saying that to Erika for weeks. I'm sure there is an emotional part of her that would rather be at the end with Erika (Robert skeeves her out and she hates Jun) but logically, she is too much of a threat so I'm sure she's being honest with Jun about getting Erika out next week.

K9lover1

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Shoegalnj but she still would get 50. I want Erika and Jun to get the top two.

Misslibra

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well after Ali's picked Robert's brain earlier, and he wouldn't tell her who he would put up if he got HOH, she realize then he would come after her before Erika. He didn't do his usual I hate that b!tch Ali, and I want Erika out next. Ali didn't get that from Robert. She was smart to pick up on that.

So this might make Ali say hmmmm... Robert is a threat to me he is no longer after Erika he is after me. And anyone who is a threat to Ali in the house she usually does her best to get them out of the house. It's Jun's idea to change plans and get Erika out, but Erika isn't a threat to Jun like he is to Ali.


Also Ali have to know she is playing for 2nd place anyway, so why take the chance of keeping Robert in the game over Erika. It wouldn't be worth it for her to take the chance of him winning.

I also think Ali will hold the music awards against Jun, and wont want to keep Jun is there because she don't want her to win the big prize. At this point I really do believe Ali would only get 2nd place if she is up against anyone remaining in the house, even Robert.

K9lover1

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Camel - I agree that she will probably go with Jun, but it hurts to see her lying so to erika.

Gina8642

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They don't want Erika out because they are jealous of her, they want her out because they cannot win against her in the final two. Erika has shown a great ability at endurance competitions. Robert has shown himself to be poor at endurance competitions and quiz comps. Anyone would prefer to go against Robert at final three than Erika. This has zip to do with insecurieties and everything to do with strategy.

K9lover1

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sad but true Gina.

Shoegalnj

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
K9 I forgot about that! Darn!

Puzzled

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Erika doesn't win HOH, and Ali and Jun are in cahoots, then OMG--never thought I'd say this--then I hope Robert gets HOH.

If he did, I think Erika would vote Ali off, because she whispered to Jack that she hated Ali.

Misslibra

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I heard what Ali told Erika. The question I think we all should be asking ourselves who is Ali lying to ? Erika or Jun ?

We all know how Ali have lied in this game. Ali could be acting like she is going to go along with Jun's game plan, but she isn't. Jun is a threat to Ali, because she is smart. And also because like I said before don't mean to keep repeating myself but Ali I'm telling you, don't want Jun to get the money because she went to the music awards.

Ali just told Erika out of anyone she would want Erika to win, and that is because she don't want Jun to have it, and she definitely don't want Robert to have it. I think Jun might be the one leaving the house before Robert if anyone leaves.

I think Ali also didn't tell Erika the truth about Jun wanting to take out Erika because she don't want Erika to get upset with Jun or risk the chance of Erika going back and telling Jun, or Erika acting or changing her behavior toward Jun.

The would give Jun the tip off that Ali told Erika what she said. Ali didn't want to take that chance I'm assuming. That would blow her cover that she has a alliance with Erika.

When Ali found out Jun was at the music awards mingling with the famous she said there was no way she wanted Jun to win after getting a reward like that.

I think in Ali's head the plan for her is to still take out Robert next. Robert might help it by flipping out on the girl's once he is in the house alone with them. Maybe Robert will do a Scott on them, since the girl's plans are to drive Robert up a wall.

Gina8642

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika, Jun, and Alison have consistently kept their eyes on the prize of final two. I don't think any of the three are going to kick anyone off because they 'hate' them. They are going to make decisions based on being able to (a) get to final two, and (b) being able to win against the person they are against in final two. I think Erika would be very happy to face Alison at final two. The only person left in the game that Erika has any real animosity for is Robert, but even that won't prevent her from playing a smart game plan.

All three of these women have played the game hard. I would be very pleased to see them as the final three. If Erika doesn't make it that far, it is only because she is a huge threat at final two.