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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: The Bible in the House: Archive through August 02, 2003

Willsbills

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
the Bible can provide all sorts of knowledge, releif, insight, guidance, but they don't seem to be getting exactly what they are reading again isn't money why most people would put themselves through this. I also thought,it was interesting that Ali didn't answer the tithing question.. The look on her face was like she didn't even understand what he meant.

Willsfan

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is a Bible in the BB every year. Does BB give it to them?

Maris

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wills that was the point. She had no clue what tithe meant.

Where I had the problem was when I watched the live feeds and she read the thing about the roote of all evil and money she and Nathan were laughing because they were reading it as it described Dana and the exes, not as it related to them. My problem with the whole thing is that they were laughing and looking for passages to justify their hate and as support for why it was ok to despise these people. I would have a problem if someone did the same thing with the koran. Maybe because I am not a religious person I just feel all religions need respect and they werent being respectful in my view.

Twiggyish

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's the irony.. They're all in that house for money.

Chio_Ik

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A couple of things:

1. Catholism is part of Christianity. Christianity is a religion that believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Messiah. Catholism is a denomination of Christianity in fact almost all denominations (such as Methodists, Baptists, etc...) of Christianity are derived from Catholism.

2. I believe that there is nothing sacreligious about reading the Bible. I will admit that Alison's motivates do not appear to be pure, but who am I to judge someone's heart. I believe that they are turning to the Book in a time of stress much like many Christians do. Now, I also do not want to turn this into a debate, but I wish everyone would accept the fact that we do not know what Allison or Nate are thinking or feeling when they turn to the Bible in that house and we never will.

By the way the Bible also says that we all fall short of the Glory of God, meaning that no one is perfect. So I do not think we should be judging someone for them not always meeting up to the "standards" of their religion. Only one person ever has.

Sorry this is so long. Once I got started I couldn't really stop.

Philamom

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe I can clear up something ... I didn't see anyone who is Catholic responding in this thread. As a Catholic, I have to emphasize that Catholics are first and foremost CHRISTIANS, then Catholics. I have never heard or known a Catholic who didn't want to be known as a Christian.

Having said that, learning that Dana is Catholic is enough to make me want disavow my Catholicism, LOL.

Moondance

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
1Chio_Ik

Cajunrambler

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Philamom,

So was Chiara. I'm sure the priest was sweating during her confessions.

Justareader

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's my 2 cents: I don't think that it is right to take any portion of any religious book and attempt to use it as a weapon against anyone or justification for anything, especially when it comes to Big Brother! I am sure the writer of that psalm was having bigger problems than nomination and eviction! I find it interesting that any kind of perspective is lost in the BB house every year.

Philamom

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Cajon, and I didn't know Chiara was Catholic. I think Roddy was, but I'm not positive. And I think Robert is. Geez, Dana, Chiara, Roddy, and Robert ... not very good representatives.

Puzzled

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to say that I get upset when people blast people for going to church because they're not perfect.

No one is perfect and every Christian denomination that I know of teaches that. A person who goes to church is not a hypocrite just because he/she isn't perfect. He/she is a sinner trying his/her best to be better and to aim for sinlessness.

A hypocrite is someone who pretends to believe something, not someone who believes but is trying--sometimes unsuccessfully.

Twiggyish

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do believe Roddy was an atheist.

Cinder

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
RE: Alison not know what "tithe" was. Was anyone watching the live feed. Yes her face looked as if she did not know what it meant- but I wondered if that was editing and she was really wondering what she would really do.

RE: Does BB give them the Bible. I think someone different brings one every year.

Watching2

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Am I the only one, who when watching the show last night, thought Nate and Allie were laughing at THEMSELVES?! I could swear Allie said something to the effect of - "And WE'RE doing just the opposite." My take was how hypocritical they ALL ARE fighting for money, when the bible said it was the root of all evil. I completely got the impression they were making laughing at themselves. FWIW! :)

Philamom

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Twiggy, thanks for the info on Roddy. I'm not sure where I got the impression he was Catholic. Maybe I heard him say at one point last year he was "raised" or "born" Catholic? LOL, darn long-term memory won't cooperate. Anyone else remember anything like that?

Grooch

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe Allison knew what it meant but she doesn't do it and was trying to decide whether to lie or not about it.

Must have been a tough decision for a "religious, pathological liar." ;)

Watching, I thought they might have been including themselves with the rest of the house.

Mizinvanccouver

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Twiggy--I wasn't trying to say I knew anything about being Christian. That's why I opened the thread...was my curiosity. I'm not religious myself..even though growing up I was baptized Baptist, went to Lutheran Sunday School, went to Catholic church on Sundays if I spent the night at that friends house and finally my summer camps were Christian. Really baffled me how similar all these religions were.

I had someone who was Catholic correct me when I called them Christian so that is why I make a point of calling people who practice Catholicism "Catholics" because I don't want to offend anyone. I always wondered why the person was so admant; the religions seemed so similar to me.

I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone reading this, that was not my intention.

Twiggyish

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mz, I had to go back and see what you are referring to in your post. I wasn't posting to you in particular.

(A bit confused here)

Mizinvanccouver

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Puzzled-- What if someone 'preaches' a verse to you but then goes out and does the opposite? Is that then a hypocrite?

I see what your saying that religion brings some guidance/structure to people and I think that is what it is meant for and is good in most cases.

I just find it curious how people sometimes preach things and go out and do the opposite. I'm not arguing about people and their inperfections, of course nobody is perfect. Again...just curious...I should have choosen the name "Curious" LOL

Wanderer

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As a christian, I too, thought Nate and Ali were laughing at themsleves. The one thing I know for sure is that "Judge not that ye be judged" We don 't know what is in anothers heart and I like the way Ohio puts things. I myself am protestant but condemn no ones christian beliefs.

Mizinvanccouver

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Twiggy....didn't mean to confuse you. lol I kept trying to put my post in earlier but for some reason my computer kept freezing up so only got it in a few minutes ago after the thread took off.

P.S. Regarding my post prior to this one...I feel I should give an example of what I "wouldn't do" as far as saying and doing things --I would never say to someone," You should eat less." And then go stuff myself shortly there after.

Costacat

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Watching, that was sorta my impression too (which is why I'd popped in here, went oh heck, can't deal with this, and left). I thought they found it amusing that they were in the house, fighting for $500K.

FWIW, I don't find it at all hypocritical that they are reading the bible. I don't know of very many people who practice what they preach 100% of the time.

Mizinvanccouver

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Costacat...which is why I find religion so interesting.

It really is almost like a life instruction manuel to help guide people through life wouldn't you say?

Trinity63

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For Mizinvanccouver: I am Roman Catholic, and I hate to break it to you, but yes, Mizinvanccouver I am a Christian:) Just because I am Roman Catholic doesn't mean I am excluded from being Christian.

It's broken down like this:

Jewish

Christian - and if you are Christian you are either Protestant or Catholic. That's where the division comes in to play. Is this what you meant?

Agnostic

Athiest

Buddhist

Muslim

and so on....

and each faith has it's own branches.

Trin

Twiggyish

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's true Costa!

Mz, I'm not Catholic. But, I can't stand when people (not anyone here) make judgements about whether or not a person is Christian or not Christian. In fact, I edited out most of that message, because it was a bit strong. It wasn't directed at anyone..just my opinion.