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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: ** When they say things are “Meant To Be…”: Archive through August 21, 2003

Tobor7

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 04:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems many of the HGs (and Robert more than most) say things are “Meant To Be…” and I have some strong feelings about saying that and the people that say that.

See, I believe that Good Luck is that unique situation when Preparation meets Opportunity. And nothing is meant to be.

People that say things are “meant to be” do not want to take responsibility for their own life, their actions, and their failures. They do not want to face the truth that they are the master of their own lives—they do not have what it takes to control their own lives so they want to feel like it was all figured out for them and they have no responsibility or obligation to make things as they want them to be. It certainly is easy and liberating to think that everything is mapped out for you, but it is not. “Meant to be” is a cop-out response.

Free Will baby! That’s what we got. You can be what you dare to be. Nothing is meant to be. Make it happen for yourself and stop making excuses.

You can disagree with me, but then I guess that it was “meant to be” for you to do that and you had no choice in the matter. LOL

Seanflynn2003

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 04:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tobor, ITA with you.
When someone says "everything happens for a reason," I cringe.
I prefer the idea that out of any circumstance you adapt and do what you can with the new opportunities.

Kalekona

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry free will does not explain somethings that occur in life.
Changing an airline reservation and then learning the plane crashed.
Turning left instead of right and meeting your true love.
trying to have a child and being told you can't so you adopt and low and behold you find yourself pregnant.

There are so very many things in life that we have no control over, much more than what we can control.
Too many times things happen and there is no logical explaination for why except "It was meant to be"

your view does not take into account the many variables in life.
We can not control everything, I'm sorry if you think you can but i'm here as living proof you can not.

Crossfire

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 04:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe those other issues can be scooped up under the category of coincidence.

Creampuff

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 04:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The answer to the question posed can, in some cases, be quite complex or extremely simple in others. In the context of playing this game I think when someone says it was meant to be, it means "Hey, it's not MY fault"! OR "I can't believe that happened", meaning it was not within my control so don't blame me.

Missy2

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 04:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
TOBOR - well said! I completely agree with you!

Seanflynn2003

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 04:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kalekona --
Randomness leading to action is a completely. acceptable explanation -- it doesn't prove some master plan.
Free will is what we do with events that occur, not that we cause those events to occur.

Mich

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 05:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
kalekona, i completely agree with you. for us to believe that we have control and/or are responsible for everything around us would be not only egotistical (sp?) but would mean that there is no "higher power" in this vast universe of ours.

now, thanks creampuff for re-posing this question in the context of bb for me as before your comment, my mind wandered alittle off course (not hard for me to do though LOL). i believe there is a reason for everything including why each person within the context of their lives is involved in the game.

am i readying too much in to it all? maybe.

Kalekona

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 05:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Mich... and think a good example is Erika and Robert. The conversation they had together the other day clearing the air would have never happened on the outside.
So saying it was meant to be for both of them to be in the house to allow this to transpire is not off the mark.

Seanflynn2003

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 05:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The whole universe is based on random events occuring; evolution came about that way.

It was never "meant" for Erika and Robert to have that conversation. Some master force didn't work through Arnold Shapiro to make him decide to go with the ex factor this year so these two would have a chance to meet again. Circumstances just came together. There is no fate involved.

Weinermr

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 05:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But we don't really know there is no higher force guiding the events of our lives. Just because we cannot sense or touch or make sense of it, whatever it is, does not mean it doesn't exist.

I'm not saying there is or there isn't. I'm just saying we can't know.

Individuals can decide for themselves whether to believe or not believe. There is no right or wrong, there is only belief.

Some of you will point to something as "proof", one way or another. That is still your opinion, your interpretation. It is not proof in the absolute.

Seanflynn2003

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 05:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We clearly do not know the answer to the forces behind the creation of the universe; to start off with no is no scientific explanation to explain time, which can neither begin nor end.

But in the absence of any proven explanation, we have to go with that for which there is evidence. Otherwise life is based on false pretenses, and that leads to denial and excuses.

And whatever the greater force is, I can;t believe it is remotely interested in Big Brother 4.

Mich

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 05:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
seanflyn..maybe the "greater forces" aren't interested in big brother but instead what it represents and those and to what degree it affects (the bigger picture one might say).

i think its best if i stay out of this one now but i have to thank Tobor for starting such an interesting topic

Xarph

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 05:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Proof of God

Beruthiel

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 05:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Xarph, you're sooo naughty! But I love ya anway! LOL!

Beruthiel

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 06:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Funny" things have happened to me, and I'm sure have happened to many of us, that make us feel that someone had a hand in them, and it is comforting to think so, but we can't know, and although I sort of hope that there's something out there greater than us, I can only hope, because believing without evidence is only assumption, and there is that saying, never assume, because it only makes an '*ss' out of 'u' and 'me'.
[Hope this doesn't double post, because I got filelock]

Marymary

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 06:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
THAT is what faith is...believing w/o evidence.

Creampuff

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 06:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Every type of comment. To the Nth degree!

Now I know why I like this board so much. It's totally mental exercise, thought provoking at the very least and oh, so interesting!

Widowswalk

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My pal Kale. I have to agree with you again. Not because it makes more sense, it's just more fun thinking hidden forces can change things. I also know a few mojo ladies down in New Orleans that bank on this idea every day. But that's a whole other story. lol

Seanflynn2003

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 07:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, if people say that things are meant to be they can't pick and choose which events apply.
It was meant to be that Jee accepted the offer and the rest are on PB&J.
I think not. It happened because Jee made a decision.
Either all things are meant to be, or life is a combination of random events and human choice. No middle ground.

Widowswalk

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 07:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seanflynn, you ever been to the City Time Forgot? lmao

Beruthiel

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 07:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know Marymary, coming from a Catholic family as I do, but I didn't want to go there!

Beruthiel

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a by the way, Widowswalk - I've been busy over the last couple of days, and so I missed your comment to me in the 'nice guys finish last' thread until today, but if you're interested, I did post a reply earlier tonight.

Tobor7

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just got back in and I want to thank all who took the time to post a thoughtful response here.

((Xarph, quickly-- I think there is an error in the third variable in the second equation, right side. It seems to not be flanted.))

And in honor of the US Open Tennis starting next week, I'll smack a few balls back over the net to you a little later on this issue.

Widowswalk

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Beru- I answered you just now on that thread. Yes I did. lol