Is this game fixed?
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Is this game fixed?
Blink | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 07:51 am     Am I the only one who is getting a sense that this game may be pre-arranged? BB's choice of competitions, the dialogue of the announcer and Julie Chen, who they focus on when they show diary room entries all lead me to suspect it is. Comments? |
What555456 | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:02 am     BB will do whatever they need to do to grab the audience and keep them. Truth and fairness is not high on the list of criteria to do this. Giving the audience a reason to tune in so they sit through commercials is. |
Kellirippa | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:43 am     Pretty hard to fix that bowling/golfing contest. |
Cliotheleo | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:44 am     I HOPE not, if they're fixing the show and this is what they've given us, I'm not very impressed. Where are all the interesting people? ........ quick, someone make sure Marcellas isn't still hiding under the bed in the desert room.......... |
Bohawkins | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:00 am     Please excuse me for cross posting (I expressed this concept in the thread about Jack possibly throwing the contest), but I think this thread is a more valid one and these observations are relevant here. It seems apparent that the TV producers have a pattern of using magician's devices. They seem to resort to carnival type constructions. It seems obvious that they do this for events when they want to control the outcome of a competition. I take note of the ones with the taint of possible mechanical manipulation They could easily do competitions which are straight up and fair. The one I had given my opinion about previously was the contraption with the ping pong balls going down the tubes, which would have been so simple for to control with simply a vacuum pulled on the ones you wanted to win and outward flow on those you wanted to lose. The results on that one looked very skewed. I think the Bocce-like event was just another rigged competition. For some reason it was important to the producers that Jee won again. This was again another unnecessarily complicated side show apparatus. The beauty of classic games is that they have evolved over the years and remained popular because they allow for fair competition. Why would they have not played it in true bocce ball style, like it is in Italy or in Central park in Manhattan? In case you are not familiar with it, Bocce is usually played on a hard, level surface of packed dirt, something very easy to construct. It is a game with standard rules. It is very easy to learn and it is very difficult, if not impossible, for anyone to cheat. For their game they created a specially constructed platform, but not one that made for a more interesting game. It just added a level of complexity to the course that was not necessary, but which allowed for hidden mechanical controls to be used. Using a regulation Bocce course would have created a fair game without a chance for any producer manipulation. Plus, the classic simplicity of it would have made for great television. They simply would not have needed a raised platform unless there was a need to have some way to control the balls. Those balls most likely had steel cores. Probably, underneath the platforms were very strong electromagnets. The winner and the losers, in my opinion, were determined by the way the electro magnets were tripped. It does makes for fun television if you just accept it as entertainment the same way you accept a Seigfried and Roy Las Vegas magic show. You know those guys have engineers creating the illusions, but that is all part of the fun. Here I would like to see real competition. I would guess the producers feel that there is too much at stake to allow the story line to unfold differently than they have planned. It is possible that in the endurance event was meant to be a real event and they thought that Jee had the moral fiber and sense of loyalty to win that for the "dream team." I would have bet money on Jee, based on his previous affirmations. However, Jee had the moral substance of a petty crook. Jee's lack of character probably threw the producers for quite a loop. The Jee3 alliance was the strongest alliance ever in reality history the way the story line was previously unfolding. It had been building towards a wonderful crescendo But, Jee's shallowness and disloyalty blew it for them. So this week they scrambled to recover and what you saw was their attempts at damage control and preservation of the Jee story. |
Kellirippa | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:09 am     Excellent points Bohawkins, I hadn't thought of things in that way. The person that it would be most advantageous to have win from a dramatics point of view, does seem to have won HOH each time. |
Teddysmom | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:09 am     Bohawkins, I have an observation that plays into your thinking. There were two separate lanes. Wasn't Jee the only person to use the right side lane? Were the lanes actually identical? Who knows. |
Csnog | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:10 am     YEP!!! |
Scarlet | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:16 am     If the game is fixed....perhaps BB will have some comps that involve targets???? It seems to me that Jack might possibly (?) had some gun practice while in the FBI....something to watch for in the future comps.... |
Cliotheleo | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:17 am     No! At the rate he's going Jack would screw that up too and shoot all the other HGs!!!! |
Crossfire | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:19 am     I'm not buying it, if there is any rigging, it would be very subtle in the form of leading conversations in the diary room. With a team of 200, and camera's all over the place, the risk of getting caught, and the potential damage to the networks reputation and legal consequences is not worth it for the relatively small potatoes that this program is. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:25 am     "Is this game fixed?" No, it is broken. |
Saggkl | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:28 am     Thats a good one Sanfran. |
Saggkl | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:30 am     But I do agree, I think they do stir things up in the diary room. with the questions they ask and the way they ask them. |
Jagger | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:32 am     I don't beleive this comp. was rigged, if it had been I think the balls would have been closer, it would have made for better TV to have several people with in inches of the hole. I don't think playing a regular game of Bocce would have worked very well, or at least not with each player only getting one turn. If I remember the rules of bocce playing you take turns throwing your ball at a smaller ball and who ever is closer wins, they also have the opertunity to knock the other persons ball out of contension. This would not have been fair to the first players throwing, it would have only been fair to the last person. Now if they actually played a tournament where they played one on one against each other than it may have been fair. |
Weinermr | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:36 am     I don't think the game is fixed per se, but I do think they use the DR to direct people, planting ideas in their minds, leading their thinking in a certain direction, planting catch phrases in their heads. Everyone uses the phrase "in this game", and "in this house", and there are many other examples. Those DR speeches people make don't come out of nowhere. Many of them are in direct response to leading questions. |
Friktion | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:37 am     Bohawkins, I love your take on Jee, and agree 100%. I don't care how much people say "he had no other choice" he DID have a choice and I was incredulous that he took the deal. He should feel like a rat, he let down his team that he keeps saying was so important to him. |
Gidget | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:39 am     I like the fact that they gave them some new polo shirts to fill in their wardrobes. They even gave Erika, pink. Do I think the comps are rigged? Nah. But I am very naive. |
Bbfanatic | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:44 am     i agree with bo on it being rigged. teddy - that was my first thought after the competition (ha ha). jee is the only one that used that lane. i think all of the competitions are rigged. actually, most everything about the show is rigged. i just keep watching like an idiot. cant help myself. |
Cliotheleo | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:48 am     Does anyone know the order in which the HGs would throw was determined? Did they draw balls like before or did BB decide? I think there's your answer right there. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:01 am     Bbfanatic - " jee is the only one that used that lane" I don't think they had any idea who would use which lane after the first two HGs took their shot. I assumed they had two lanes for a simple reason based on logistics....so that the lane with the ball closest to the hole could be left alone while the next player took a turn. Ali went first, then Jee. Jee was closer so they asked Erika to remove the ball on Ali's lane (so they could leave the ball in Jee's lane so it could be compared to the next player). The only reason Jee's lane was not used again was because Jee's ball remained the closest to the hole for the remainder of the competition. |
Laffy | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:08 am     exactly !!! |
Cricket | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:17 am     Interesting, Sanfran. I'm curious as to why they still didn't use both lanes and just put a marker where Jee's ball was. Also, I thought part of the game would be if someone knocked your ball (closer or farther away.) I'm not sure about the magnet things, but did some of the houseguests discuss that yesterday also, or was it just on this board it was being discussed? It makes me think, because Jack's ball hit the side with a very loud THUNK! |
Blink | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:18 am     Good points Bohawkins! Even if competitions are not rigged to the extent that you suggest, I think that they choose the competitions based on the strengths and weaknesses of each houseguest; depending on who they want to win. |
Blink | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:24 am     Another thing that bugs me is why the show ALWAYS features Ericka's, Jack's and Jun's opinions! This does not seem to stand out as much as it used to when they had a full house, but it did early on when I wanted to know what others were thinking.(actually I was hoping to see more of the guests that I thought of as eye candy) Also the calling of Jee, Justin and Robert the three stooges. They called themselves the Dream Team more than anything else, yet on the show they always called them the three stooges. Is BB trying to shape our opinion for who THEY want to win? |
Bbfanatic | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:29 am     i think it is a degrading to the actual stooges for these three to be compared to them. i dont think justin, jee, or robert are worthy of the name. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:31 am     I think the three stooges refer to themselves as the "dream team", but the other HGs refer to them as the "three stooges"....I believe they even made that distinction on last night's show. Add to it and that they are also referred to as the "three amigos". Personally, "three stooges" is funnier, therefore better, IMHO. |
Bbfanatic | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:33 am     i keep watching even though the show is rigged. i guess it doesnt bother me too much. |
Kaili | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:39 am     Actually- yesterday morning they were talking about the competitions and saying this one didn't seem like it could favor anyone. Jun made a comment about magnets at that point- it made me laugh because of the same speculation being done here. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:42 am     The other HG called them the Three Stooges first. Jack calls them the Three Amigos. Dream Team was dreamed up by the guys later on. Jack's ball hitting the side was what killed him, but maybe he did that on purpose or maybe not. What I noticed with not one modicum of amusement was just how much time was spent this week on Robert, Robert's ex wife, Robert's daughter.. Robert and Erika dancing.. (that was even used as a big promo spot on CBS.. showed the two dancing and posed the question would he dance his way into a win?".. TONS of time on Robert.. Justin was the other nominee and did they show Justin's family? NO.. They used to at least pretend to be even handed. |
Justalittlebean | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:50 am     I agree with Seamonkey 100%, why all the time on Robert and his ex wife and daughter. Nothing about Justin. BB seems to be making the rules as they go. I hope Roberts daughter isn't watching the live feeds. She will see the lack of respect her daddy has for females. What a wonderful role model. |
Csnog | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:52 am     I feel the same way sea. It's turned into the Robert as the father knows best show. Yuck! |
Bbfanatic | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:53 am     after spending all this time making robert look like a saint, they will probably say the new twist is the public will now have a vote when robert is up for eviction in the future. |
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