Mizinvanccouver | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:45 am     Just finished watching Friday, Aug 1st episode and was not impressed by Nat and Ali using the bible for their own entertainment. For once I agree with Dana that they're using the bible in wrong way. I'm not religious at all but why do people use religion for their own benefit rather than for what it's really for? (I've noticed that with other people I know who are religious too; not just one kind of religion but various.) |
Willsbills | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:52 am     Most people who read the word do use it to find how it applies to their particular situation. What I found even more offensive was the way Dana was talking about going to church every Sunday. Hasn't done much good. Speaking of that I think the way Jason BB3 handled his faith was great. He read his Bible, he stuck by his convictions, but didn't make a Pahrisee of himself. Live it if your gonna read it. But that's just me. Not trying to start a religious debate. |
Mizinvanccouver | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:04 am     I agree I really liked the way Jason handled his faith in BB3. Nat and Ali were making jokes about the bible. That's what I found interesting. Nat's laughing and "Oh my God" comment. I just found it inappropriate. As for Dana's going to Church on Sunday's well I know some (note I said some and not ALL) people who practice only certain parts of their religions but then are hypocrites with other parts of their religion. Being non-religious I just try to be true to myself. This is not meant to become a religious debate. I am just noting their habits in the house. |
Maris | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:11 am     Could someone explain to me how Dana has gone against her christian teachings more than say....Nate?? I mean come on. The woman says she goes to church every sunday and that is put into question???? I dont go to church, I dont practice any religion per se, but I found Nate and Alisons actions with the bible offensive and disrespectful. |
Bbfanatic | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:16 am     ali & nate didnt offend me at all with anything they did with the bible. i realize there isnt reading material in the house and they are feeling stressed. there are worse things that are done with it. the deacon in a church in town got caught sleeping with the preachers wife last year. many hide behind the bible. they are up front on sunday morning and doing all sorts of awful things the rest of the week. ali & nate look like they were just trying to lighten things up and relieve a little stress. no harm intended. |
Willsbills | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:18 am     When you are a Christian you are so supposed to be consumed by the Holy Spirit God asks that we walk in that Spirit. We are to respect one another, be pure in our sexuality, not allow foul, abusive language or nonsense to spew from our lips, we are not to gossip, we are also not supposed to preach in the streets for the respect of man, we are to worship God for the sake of God. The bible say that we should be hot or cold but God hates lukewarm. When you pick and choose but call yourself practicing then you are being lukewarm. That's why it is tough for a practicing Christian to really play hard in this game and stick to the word of God because there is a lot of sexuality, backstabbing and deciet in this game. |
Mizinvanccouver | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:21 am     I totally agree that they were reading the bible out of sheer boredom; but is that right on a religious path? That's my question, being that I'm not religious I'm curious. By the way I think I heard Dana say she was Catholic? |
Mizinvanccouver | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:25 am     That's what I thought too WillBills but because I'm not religious I didn't feel it my place to say that. Was just curious what everyones thoughts were on this matter. Thanks for your input. |
Willsbills | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:33 am     No prob, glad that you understand. So many people just want to argue religion because they don't practice. It's cool that some people can be open minded. I really want to be on BB but find it hard to figure what my strategy would be and keep to the word. It's hard when you are around all that not to get sucked in. |
Willsbills | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:34 am     Another question. Did Nate bring the Bible in? |
Cajunrambler | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:41 am     As a Christian minister and Bible teacher, I found the actions by Ali and Nate blasphemous and sacriligious. They virtually made a mockery of a book that millions hold very sacred and precious. The Bible to the true Christian is a guide to be able to cleans the soul, instructions on how to love and forgive others and to be able to live your own life in a way that is pleasing and honoring to God. Mishandling of the Bible can be very dangerous by those who are of faith as well as those who aren't. Mishandling by those who are of faith, even the moreso. |
Mizinvanccouver | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:43 am     Yes, I believe he did bring the bible into the house. I guess you could say my religion is: * Treat others the way you want to be treated * Be consciencious of what you say * Believe in yourself * Try not to be excessive with anything (This one's a tough one for me. I love food, drinks and smoking) * Embrace everyone's individuality Hmmmm I'm sure I could think of more....but those are the fundamentals I go by. |
Willsbills | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:45 am     My problem is that it is not Holy or spiritual the way they (Ali, Nate, Dana) are acting. It is a problem because they are professing belief but not living it. this can cause a real problem for other Christians because this is being viewed by millions who will get the wrong idea about what it means to honor God and live according to His word. |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:48 am     What I got from Dana that raised my brow was her giving some kind of indication that since she goes to church on Sundays, she is a good Christian. It seems how you live your life everyday determines that--not just the short time you spend in church. I think that most people seem to try and fit what they hear or read about religion into their life situation--all through history people have made interpritations on what the words of the bible mean. Some to fit the situation they are in for BB, and some to lock up Galelio for the rest of his life for saying the earth revolves around the sun instead of the earth (and humans) beiong the center of everything. That ends up being an issue of degree as far as how it affects yourself and others. Also for me, I get more frustrated when a HG or Survivor player says that God gave them a challenge win, or wanted them to win. They need to step back and take a look at what that implies about God and the other contestents. Talk about putting yourself up higher than anyone else! A lot of folks have made reference to Jason from BB3 and religion. I think those comments are born out of the fact that at least from what was shown on feeds, Jason was the one who most closely lived what he said he believed in. |
Willsbills | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:51 am     That's it Lance. Jason (from what I saw) tried to live closely to what he believed in. |
Maris | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:52 am     Agreed Lance and I dont ever recall Jason using the teachings to justify why he should win the game. His religious beliefs encompassed who he was as a person and he didnt talk about it. Everyone else talked about Jasons believes but I dont recall him saying too much. |
Willsbills | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:55 am     I think that the producers probably HOPED that Jason's beliefs could cause alot more conflict than it did, because as far as I can remember they teased him a little but it was never a problem. |
Mizinvanccouver | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:55 am     Lancecrossfire--I agree that I don't like it when the HG's or Survivor people say," God helped me win this challenge.." ect Isn't religion about the 'greater good for everyone'? Not about me me me. Isn't self indulgent not accepted by most religions? I know people who go to church on Sundays but don't practice what they preach on weekdays. Is it their fear of God? Is it that they worry they will not go to heaven? You're right about Jason, he practiced what he preached which I respect him for. Maybe that's why I haven't choosen a religion for myself is because I don't want to live up to all those standards. As I mentioned above, I made my own standards to live by. (Again...Dana is not Christian...she is Catholic.) |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:06 pm     Jason didn't say much at all--he just went about playing the game. I think it's these actions on jason's part that has folks saying that they were most comfortable with Jason and his religous views. As with other aspects of life, the people who just go out and do it without talking about it get the job done the best and are most affective (although may not get the notoriety). It hasn't been till others have talked about religion, or shown not to really live their beliefs that Jason has gotten the most attention about his approach to his religion in terms of the game. But I think that is typical for folks who don't shine the spotlight on themselves and just "get the job done". Point taken about Dana being Catholic--my definition of Christian is anyone who believes in God. (although I know that is not the accepted definition) |
Willsbills | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:11 pm     The thing about Nate and Ali was they sat there and read "the LOVE of money is the root of all evil" never seeing that if it weren't for the love of money they wouldn't be there. |
Mizinvanccouver | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:11 pm     Thanks for acknowledging Dana being Catholic. I'm not religious but I know each person's religion is important to that individual and they take pride in the religion they have choosen and don't want to be known for a religion that's not their own. Quite frankly for most of the religions are so similar with only slight alterations. Sometimes I feel religion divides people more than uniting them. Look at history....and present (Middle East) for that matter. |
Maris | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:21 pm     I always thought that Catholics were christians. I thought Christians was a generic term for any religion that believed in Christ. |
Mizinvanccouver | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:25 pm     People who I know who are Catholic really disagree and don't want to be known as Christian. I see what you're saying Maris and I agree they all beleive the same story line with slight alterations. |
Ocean_Islands | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:28 pm     Dana is not Christian she is catholic? Hello? Who is that hanging up on the cross in Catholic churches? |
Twiggyish | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:28 pm     Where does it say...Thou shalt not open the Bible and find amusing verses? I don't think they did anything wrong. Of course Catholics are Christians!!! |