Jun montage?
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Jun montage?
Cangaroo | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:43 pm     Oh, I'm the same age as Wadsters. Good year. |
Wadsters | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:46 pm     1959! We have gone thru over five decades! Somebody get me my cane.... |
Katlady53 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:48 pm     "Course, feelin them to young can land ya in jail!" Don't tease me, Wadsters! Lol |
Fuzzyb | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:48 pm     Who wants to be 16 again??? lol |
Katlady53 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:50 pm     Fuzzy, I can honestly say that I would not want to be 16 again. Twenty-five? Yep. Thirty? Yep. Not 16, though! |
Cangaroo | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:51 pm     Not me.....I'm enjoying the age I am now way too much. Yeesh...16. |
Fuzzyb | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:24 am     Me either. Looking back 16 sucked. However I would love my 16 year old body with my 30 year old mind. |
Carlie | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 06:09 am     Her stomach looked like she either lost alot of weight, or had a baby (looked like stretch marks all over in those pictures. |
Lostintheglades | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 06:39 am     lmao Fuzzyb...couldn't have said it better myself. |
Bohawkins | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 07:38 am     Kira - Your statement (that the current thinking is that being 30 pounds overweight will increase chances of longevity) is simply not in keeping with current scientfic data. Instead, the accepted studies which have scientific merit are consistently confirming that maintaining a lower weight in relation to one's height is a predictor of longevity. An indicator called the Body Mass Index (BMI) has become the scientific standard which is used statistically to serve as a measurement concerning weight in relation to health. The BMI is determined by using this equation: BMI = (705 x Body weight in lbs) ÷ Height in inches squared. Example: A person who is 5 feet 6 inches (66 inches) tall and weighs 155 pounds has a BMI of 25 5 ft 6 in = 66 inches BMI = (705 x 155) ÷ (66x66) = 25 BMI is generally related to body fat. Higher BMIs mean higher proportionate body fat. As BMI(and therefore the body fat) increases, from 30 upward, then health risks increase. Multiple studies show that being obese (having a BMI of greater than 25) lowers one’s life expectancy. When people achieve a lower BMI through diet and exercise, they lose weight and they also lower their blood pressure, total cholesterol, LDL (bad) cholesterol, increase their HDL(good) cholesterol, improve their blood sugar levels, and reduce their amount of abdominal fat. The health benefits from lowering the BMI to levels around 25 have been shown to result in longer and more enjoyable life spans. The data on this is overwhelming. If you are interested in the more info about these BMI studies, here is a link to a usda.gov publication which compiles data and conclusions about health, longevity and BMI. Click here to read USDA compilation |
Snowflake | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 08:43 am     I'm not of fan of Jun's because I think she's one devious not so young lady. Jee mentioned earlier in the program that Jun was a little on the heavy side when he was dating her but I don't think she is now. I just think her choice in swim wear leaves alot to be desired, maybe she should try an all in one bathing suite. |
Prisonerno6 | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 08:55 am     "My friend at work's sister died this year from complications due to a stomach stapling." I'm waiting for one of the many celebrities who are going this route to have the same complications. Then maybe the 1 in 200 (or 1 in 100, depending on who you read) death rate will get the same amount of press. "The data on this is overwhelming." You know, for years I kept hearing that the data on weight-loss was overwhelming. Then the first New England JOurnal of Medicine issue for 1998 came out and for the first time I heard the evidence wasn't all that overwhelming. Yes, people with lower BMI's have a longer life expectancy *on average* than those with higher BMI's. But, at least according to the NEJM editorial, there was little evidence to suggest that losing weight (and therefor lowering your BMI) would lengthen your lifespan. In fact, there was as much evidence that weight loss could shorten your lifespan. The editorial also pointed out the vast numbers of people who lost weight only to gain it and more back (or as I like to say, losing weight is easy. Unfortunately, it keeps finding me and it brings friends). Most "weight-loss programs" have failure rates above 90%. The focus should be on fitness, not weight. It is possible to be fit and fat, believe it or not. It certainly is possible to be thin and unfit, and at just as high a risk of heart disease as a fat person who eats well and exercises. Ssomeone who eats high-fat, high-carb food and sits on their butt all day can have a low BMI thorugh genetics, but that sort of living is still just as deadly. What does this have to do with the Jun montage? It's just another example of our country's fixation on the outside, not the inside. I don't care whether Jun is fat or not. I don't care if she has lost weight only to gain it back. If she's healthy, it's none of my damn business -- and even if she's not, it's none of my damn business. I'm offended by the ugliness of spirit she (and most others) have shown in that house, not by her belly. |
Lovedana | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 09:07 am     To be honest, I actually enjoyed Jun's description of each female houseguest. It was so funny and ironic. However, it was true what she said. She sounded like a fashion stylist. When it came time for her to describe herself, I just kept laughing, thinking of the irony. :D During her first description, she did somewhat admit to her jiggly belly. It sounded to me like she was teasing herself. The second time they played her diary entry was when she sounded convinced of her own appearance. But I'm so certain that it was all a tease and she knows she doesn't have the sexy appearance. I still give the credit to her for playing the Marcellas roll this year in terms of fashion and nitpicking. As for people mocking her appearance, I think it's okay for them to do it. Come on now! She was making jest of the houseguests too! I guess the difference is she did it in jest; whereas folks here are doing it with resentment. I think I prefer Jun's style. She's so funny, albeit pathetic too. :D |
Lurknomore | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 09:39 am     I'd like to jump in with a comment about weight and longevity here. Maybe some statistics show it, and I lost weight cause I wanted to look better, but personally in my many experiences I've never seen it have any impact. My Grandmother, who carried a good extra 50 or 60 lbs (at least) her whole life lived to be near 90. My Dad, who was pretty average in size died when he was in his early 50's. My boyfriend who was a professional athelete and built as such died when he was 30. Another dear friend who was either average or slightly thinner died when he was 28. Now I have an Aunt who has weighed over 300lbs for pretty much my entire life and I hear quite a few before then is somewhere in her 70's and aside from knee problems she is doing great. So I'm not sure how much stock I put in that chart Bohawkins, based quite unscientifically on just about everyone I know. Personally I think lifestyle, environmental concerns and exposures, and fate play much bigger factors. Just my humble based on life experiences. |
Bohawkins | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:14 am     Well, Lurk, anecdotal data can always be cited which will conflict with scientific findings, however, the BMI studies are quite conclusive. Many of those overweight people who hang on to advancing years, going past the averages, simply are not healthy for the last twenty or so of their lives. This illustrates another beneficial factor of keeping an appropriate BMI (and, by the way, too low a BMI can shorten life as well) known as the "quality of living." Truly, those high BMI individuals have more heart ailments, high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, osteoarthritis and the other chronic diseases associated with a high BMI. They combine to reduce the enjoyment of life. Many overweight older people endure miseries which are avoided by people who are more fit. |
Lurknomore | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:10 am     LOL yeah but let's not forget how frequently "data" and studies change. First alcohol will kill ya, now they say a couple glasses of wine increase longevity. Then eggs will kill ya and raise your cholesterol now they are saying that they might have had that one wrong. Then oils will kill you...now we have good oils and bad oils. Fish...best food you can eat. Oh wait new study, too much fish will give you mercury poisoning. ARRRGGHHHHH STUDIES! Give all studies a few years and there will be some study out that definatively proves the earlier study was wrong. I try to stick with common sense, which is any excess be it weight, alchohol, etc etc is not healthy and moderation will GENERALLY be the best path in everything. After I posted my first post I thought of an uncle, in great shape, who dropped dead of a heart attack very young. Everyone on that branch of the family has been riddled with heart trouble, though nearly all are fit and take very good care of themselves. (Ironically he was married to my very obese Aunt). So go figure. |
Lovedana | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:33 am     "LOL yeah but let's not forget how frequently 'data' and studies change. First alcohol will kill ya, now they say a couple glasses of wine increase longevity. Then eggs will kill ya and raise your cholesterol now they are saying that they might have had that one wrong. Then oils will kill you...now we have good oils and bad oils. Fish...best food you can eat. Oh wait new study, too much fish will give you mercury poisoning. ARRRGGHHHHH STUDIES!" You're right, Lurknomore. My mother and I were discussing this last night. They said protein is good for you, then later they changed. The yoke of eggs, fish, vegetables, you name it.... I think the lesson to be learned is that anything in excess is unhealthy. Moderation is what will make your life a comfortable life. Eat anything edible but in moderation. |
Bohawkins | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:41 am     Lurk... your comments bring to mind the Woody Allen movie, Sleeper. Woody played a character, Miles Monroe, who was the owner of the Happy Carrot Health Food Store. He was cryogenically frozen in the 1970's when a routine operation went bad. He was then thawed out in the year 2173. Twenty-second century doctors told him that the whole health food craze had been discovered to be destructive to the body, telling him that "deep fat and hot fudge are known for their health-giving properties." Another doctor offered Woody a cigarette to calm him down, saying "Tobacco is is the very best thing you can do for your body." So maybe, Lurk, you are onto something. |
Lurknomore | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:47 am     LOLOL too funny Bo...I'm not a Woody Allen fan so missed that. Would have found that scene funny. I have said many times that eventually they will find that Yodels and Ring Dings are actually the only safe foods to eat  |
Crazydog | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:07 am     Seriously, a BMI of over 25 is considered overweight? Does it take into account muscle or bone density? Some people just seem to have lighter bones, I thought. I am 5'9" and 165 pounds, that gets me to a BMI of about 24.43. So just a little more and I would be considered overweight, but I am not overweight by any means. I have a hint of the beginnings of a tiny bulging stomach (but nothing that can be seen underneath a shirt), but other than that, I'm a little surprised that I could be considered fat. Because if you saw me, you'd probably think I was too skinny. |
Bohawkins | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:38 am     Crazydog. The actual quote from that usda.gov report is as follows: BMI values between 18.5 and 24.9 are considered “normal” or “healthy” weight. BMI values between 25 and 29.9 are considered “overweight” and 30 and above are considered “obese.” BMIs above 25 are unhealthy and have been shown to increase the risk of certain chronic diseases. BMIs under 18.5 are considered “underweight.” |
Prisonerno6 | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:42 am     Someone on a newsgroup I read once in a while calculated the BMI of members of major sports teams. A couple of notable ones: Kobe Bryant, 6-6, 210#, BMI 24 Shaquille O'Neal, 7-1, 315#, BMI 31, (Obese) So Kobe Bryant, who looks like a beanpole to me, *barely* fits into the "healthy" range, while Shaquille O'Neal is labeled obese. G'head. Tell Shaq he's fat. I dare ya. ;) (BMI doesn't take into account fat distribution, the old apple vs. pear debate, not does it account for the difference in muscle mass vs. fat...as the link Bo provided points out.) I doubt the Jun montage has anything to do with her BMI or "concern" about her health. It was mocking her eating and alledged weight gain and nothing else. |
Lancecrossfire | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:43 am     Arnold (in his prime of being in shape for movies) and The Rock (a professional wrestler) both have BMI of over 31. Most people will never be in the physical condition of these two. Neither have much fat one their bodies. Folks in superior shape and high muscle density will have a high BMI, although still be in great condition. |
Bohawkins | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:50 am     The BMI researchers postulate that people who build large amounts of muscle mass are not healthier. That is the crux of the premise of the BMI research, that the best indicator of health is NOT percentage of body fat but instead the Body Mass Index. Do a search on Body Mass Index on Google if you are interested in learning about the concept. It has gained tremendous favor (they think it's valid) among physiologists. |
Lancecrossfire | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:58 am     I'll take looking like The Rock or Arnold or Shaq over the way I looked when I weighed 310. I agree with the idea of being within a typical range though as being a healthy way to go for a life long approach. It's also possible to have a very low fat percentage, and not a huge bulk of muscle--and that person would have an exceptable BMI. |
Lurknomore | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 12:21 pm     I'll just look in the mirror and if my skinny clothes fit stick with that as my test. When they get tight I'll diet. |
Konamouse | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 12:40 pm     BMI is a "tool" for risk assessment in large population groups. Because it does not differentiate between fat & muscle, nor body type, it is not an indicator of individual health, but just "risk". Other heath indicators to consider: physical activity/exercise tolerance (i.e. VO2 max), age, smoking, family history of lifestyle diseases (cardiac, type 2 diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure, osteoporosis), and stress. (In case anyone cares, I'm a Registered Dietitian and Certified Diabetes Educator, so I deal with this stuff on a daily basis) 'squeek' |
Prisonerno6 | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 12:48 pm     Applause for Konamouse! |
Costacat | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 01:03 pm     Well heck then! I'm probably gonna live forever! I've got a very low BMI, low body fat percentage, no history of much in the way of diseases in my family, no stress, I work out 3x a week and walk lots other times, I eat healthy, I rarely drink... Dang! You guys are gonna be stuck with me for a very LOOOONG time! <wink> |
Bohawkins | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 02:05 pm     Another thing to remember for good health and longevity is to choose your parents wisely. |
Costacat | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:47 pm     LOL, Bo! Reminds me of the old saying about relatives... "When I think of so-and-so as a relative, I long for a blood transfusion!" |
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