Emotion Vs Strategy - which is best
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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Emotion Vs Strategy - which is best

Maris

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 06:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Today the men and the women of the house and I might add on the board have made some observations that I find very interesting.

Dana and Jun are criticized for being emotional and playing the game emotionally. David calls them stupid because they are being emotional even though they say they arent.

Dana and Jun on the other hand today discussed why Dave had to go and they said that Dave was playing strategically and not emotionally. He could not be trusted because he is strategic and he will lie to them with no problem. He has no attachments as evidenced by his conversation with them indicating he promised Nate his alliance and was laughing about it.

So today the debate is Emotional VS strategy. Th

Which is the mistake or can there be a balance?

Kalekona

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think what Dana and Jun were talking about with Dave was that he didn't show his emotion so you couldn't gage what he was thinking.

I don't think you can go three months without getting emotional. But Strategy is the way to go.
Dana did use good strategy with her nominations, not putting up a pawn but let her emotions get in the way by not putting up Nate.

Marcellas let emotion rule the day last year and no stratagey what so ever and it got him no where (ok it got him out the door)

I think the best way is a lot of strategy topped with a tad bit of emotion.

Twiggyish

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 06:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the mistake is being emotional in this game.. Will was a good example of someone who was a master at strategy. Will made each of them feel he was on their side. (So, there was an appearance of emotion)
Erica is attempting this strategy, but she isn't succeeding.

Maris

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 06:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think you cant help but to be emotional. Will was a master but he also had some Ted Bundy characteristics and people like that are not found often.

I dont think you can help but be emotional. The HGs express it differently. I think I have seen every single HG be emotional when things did not go their way. Jack may not raise his voice but he can have a nasty tongue. Lets face it if Robert said she is thinking with her thong, everyone would go nuts. I dont think you can avoid being emotional. I know if I was in the house with someone that I knew hated me and wanted me out, I would put them up the first chance I had. Of course I would have put Nate and Ali up together.

Strategy is very important and is the only way to win the game but you also cant help but being emotional.

Xarph

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 06:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That is the worse, most stupid question of the year. I could ring you neck just for asking it. If this was real life, I would punch you out. It is disgusting that you should even think of the question. There can be doubt in the mind of any good person what is better. It is a good thing you are not in the game. You would be out faster than Scott for making up such a question. I just can not believe that you would even attempt to formulate such a lousy question in your head.

I do, however, think cold logic is needed to win this game. I would never get emotional. Never. YOU HEAR ME! NEVER.

:-) <--------- Note

Spunky

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 06:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nope, you missed a big link in all this: WINNING COMPETITIONS and PERSONALITY!

Lise did not have a good strategy like Danielle had and yet she won, why? Because in the end she won the competitions and was much nicer than Danielle.

Strategy over emotions is a must, but that's not the only thing to win.

Maris

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 06:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So you have an opinion do you X? I ahouldnt be surprised.

Costacat

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think you can be unemotional throughout this game. But I think a winner will be more strategic than emotional. Think of last year's finalists... although Danielle got worked up in the DR, she was pretty darned unemotional through most of her interactions with the others. Same with Lisa.

I think strategy is what will help get you to the finals. You need to be able to think through all scenarios, logically and without emotions.

Part of my complaint yesterday, though, was that Dana was complaining that people were making it emotional, yet she refused to recognize that's what she was doing.

I do think, though, that Dana's emotions *accidentally* helped her make good nominations (by nominating two in the same alliance). Unfortunately, her emotions backfired on her, since the two she wanted out most are the two that are safe. She never took the POV into consideration, assuming that her "power" would persuade anyone from using it.

Costacat

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 06:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG, I am totally LMAO! I just read Xarph's post, and totally got all freaked out... UNTIL I got to the end and saw the smiley face! Good example, Xarph! Emotions! Pfft! <grin>

Twiggyish

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 06:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Xarph, ...LOL You had me til the end, too. I was going to defend Maris's thread!!!

Nexell2

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 07:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Look where emotion got Nicole? Dani thought she was using strategy but did not count on the "emotions" of the voting panal. This will be the downfall of the jee3 this year. It will be nice to watch.

Cangaroo

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Xarph! And to think...I was gonna make fun of Xarph...then I saw the end. Sometimes one just has to make fun of someone who takes themselves that seriously...but that was one of those you had to wait for the punch line.

R151996

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 12:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A player can't be emotionless or their strategy will be too plain to see. If the emotions are directly properly that can help getting the strategy carried out. 2 or 3 parts strategy and 1 part emotion is probably not a bad recipe.

Everyone is dead on with Dana recognizing the emotions of everyone else but being totally clueless about the impact her own emotions.

(paraphrasing Dana) "I'm not being emotional in this game. I just hate them (Nate and Ali) so much."

Kalekona

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 12:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
R151996 - that's not emotional she is just stating the truth. lol :)

Bluerose

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 01:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Taxi!

Allietex

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 01:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Perhaps the best way to go would to use emotion strategically.

Wendo

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 01:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ah, Allietex, very good point. Two points for you! :)

R151996

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 03:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dana has eliminated any chance of splitting the remaining Elites after the disgusting behavior of her, Jun, and the stooges tonight.

Any plans Dana might have had to watch a 4 vs 2 HoH contest with Jack and Erika throwing the competition will not happen. Once again Dana's childish emotional reactions are causing any strategy she has been trying to set up to backfire.

Fuzzylogic

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 04:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Strategy.

Using emotion can be part of the strategy "I will present an image of quite restrained anger" or in Dana's case "I will be f***ing p***ed off all the time and try to make the others fear my unrestrained wrath and Karate kicks" Expressing emotion becomes a tactic, a way to get others to temporarily align with you.

IIRC, the winners of BB2 and 3 were those that won respect for playing the best game - not developing personal relationships with the others. Even Survivor seems to have often come down to the best game play (strategy), not emotion.

Cricket

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 05:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFL @ Xarph. You are on a roll today! :)

Strategy would be the way to go, I suppose. I think that's what Jack and Erika are doing. He said something about laying low and then get even. I'm just still not sure if 'waiting' to win HOH is the best strategy in this particular house. Better to be on the offense here.

R151996

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 08:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cricket, I agree with you on the offense better than defense HOH strategy in this situation. They have just seen the platform that will be used on the live show and Dana and Jun are talking about a possible knockout game format. If that is the case all members of each alliance have to be on board.

Before last night's spewing from Dana, Jun, and the stooges, I think Jack and Erica were totally content to let Nate and Ali fight the HOH battle alone. I still believe if Jack thinks that Nate or Ali are in position to win he will let them take charge, but he might not be as likely to simply throw the comp as before last night.

I'm not sure if Erika will be in any condition to compete if it is Dave that leaves, but who knows. Revenge against Dana might push her to another level if she really wants it.

Costacat

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 08:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fuzzy, d'ya, like, think Dana is exhibiting quiet "restrained anger"? I'm thinking she's exhibiting, like, she needs to BE in restraints! <grin>

Seriously, I think that showing some emotion, under control, is a good strategy. But I think taking that emotion to the extreme, or looking as if you've lost control of said emotion, can backfire. Look at Dana. She was almost evicted in Week 2 *because* of her emotions (her paranoia, too). But since she's HOH, she's got the power. I think the tide may turn soon (OK, I'm hoping it will). But Dana is NOT gonna make it to the final 3. I'd bet she not even make it to the final 4. She's dug herself into a hole so big, I'm not sure she can see daylight right now. (Unless, of course, BB is providing that nifty little drug called Xanax! <BIG grin>)

Fuzzylogic

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Costacat, no, I do not think Dana has restrained anything <G> straight jacket time when she gets nominated- and I do not think her being pissed is an act. She keeps talking about hurting people - if she were a guy, she'd be warned to cool off, but so far nobody seems to take her seriously.

I do think Jack is exhibiting some phoney "worry" when he's around Danas group - and they are buying it.

Dana is trying to define a strategy around her emotions, but its sort of a hindsight thing, that she hopes will turn out ok.

I think we are pretty much in agreement Costacat.

Costacat

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yay Fuzzy. I like being in agreement!!! <grin>

Buggles

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For whatever reason people in this house seem to feel VERY threatened by emotion I've noticed. I think it's because they're all trying to predict each other's moves & want to know where everyone stands, and when emotions come into play it's harder to discern. So being emotional at this point is a definite hindrance as you will become shi+listed by this group.

I do think the tide will turn though soon... maybe it's starting to already... and people will start fearing the ruthless calculating backstabbers in the house rather than those they perceive as 'loyal friends/allies.' Though the latter could be an outgrowth of strategy of course rather than an emotional connection. But an emotional bond at that point wouldn't hurt

Incidentally, I don't think it's 'dumb' or naive to connect with people as human beings in the house & conduct yourself in a way so as to maintain your integrity. Only one of the 13 will win the half mil and much of who wins is due to chance. In my opinion the rest may just as well not throw their moral codes out the window in front of the world... if you ask me they come out of the house poorer when they do this. They come out richer on the other hand if they played the game in a way that would not embarrass themselves or their families, actually enjoyed the time spent, made lifelong friendships, used it to forward their careers rather than dampen them, etc. Just as we wouldn't want to teach children to cheat or lie when playing their games, I personally don't find this acceptable or 'smart' in the bb house either.

Just my opinion Maybe that's why I'm not a HG (or white collar criminal )