Archive through August 25, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Allison is playing the worst game:
Archive through August 25, 2003
Catkey94 | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:26 am     She has to be the dumbest player in BB history. The way that she is playing, there is no way that she can win the money. She is doing too much lying and backstabbing to even be a contender for the $500,000. The way she is playing, nobody would vote for her to win, and this week if Robert wins HOH she will be out. I wonder if after all of this is over with will she think that her actions on TV were worth it. Because all that she has managed to do is is look like a lying <edited> on national tv. |
Jan | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:36 am     While I agree that Ali's actions have been of the lying, backstabbing kind and I don't like the game she has played at all...I keep wondering why people are so down on her but so many people LOVED Will (not me..but lots of people). Aren't Ali's actions totally mirroring what Will did?? |
Duncan | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:36 am     LOL - I would love to be a fly on the wall when she is reunited with her boyfriend....that is IF he wants anything to do with her after this. I know that if I were him, she'd never find me. LOL |
Duncan | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:39 am     I don't think so, Jan. Will would lie to your face, tell you he was lying to your face, and yet people still believed him for some reason. Ali will lie to your face, yet maintain that YOU are the one she is telling the truth to. |
Deb833 | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:42 am     The other difference between Ali and Will was that Will was funny! Ali is just annoying. |
Auntiemike | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:44 am     I cannot even think of Ali in the same league as Will. He was cunning, deceptive and very intelligent but had a quality of charm about him too. He knew what he was doing but in a "nice" way. I truly feel he was PLAYING the game and knew exactly what he was doing. Having said that, I think Ali is deceptive, mean spirited, totally untrustworthy, and so full of herself she will never have the charm to get away with it like Will did. She will destroy herself in the BB house with the process she is using. There is something about her attitude that rubs me the wrong way and makes her very unlikable. Will, on the other hand, was likable (to me) at least. I would really like to see Ali gone. Will was pure entertainment because it was fun to see how he was going to manipulate next. Ali doesn't seem to be that well put together. She deserves to be in the sequestered house with Dana for a while. :-) |
Tobor7 | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:47 am     Ali must not have much because she "swears on EVERYTHING!" |
Marameko | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:49 am     Ali is a Will "wanna be", no comparison. Duncan summed it up correctly up above. Will had a funny yet bearable attitude. Ali on the other hand is useless. And she talks wayyyyyyyyyy to much. I will be glad when she is gone. |
Gina8642 | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:49 am     Jan, I agree with you that Allie's game mirrors Will's. (It matters little to me whether she insists she is telling the truth or not.) But - I don't think Will ever used sex as a weapon quite like Allie has. Sure Will used his good looks and charm. But I've seen Allie rolling around in bed with 3 of guys so far (Nathan, Dave, and Justin) I didnt' see Will do that - and not for strategic reasons. Anyway - I think Allie is playing a pretty good game. Yes, it can really repulse a person, but that doesn't mean she's doing a bad job of it. I have no problem if someone says 'I don't want Allie to win because of the way she played'. But I think the fact that she's made it this far is a direct result of her deliberate strategy. |
Jan | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:50 am     hmmm charming people who can manipulate you and lie to your face but still be totally likeable.I used to be married to someone like that. Maybe that explains why I have never been able to warm to Will. It's different when it happens to you , I guess. But I do agree that WIll was more grown up about it all and Ali is totally immature and whiney in her actions, IMHO. |
Gina8642 | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:53 am     And you all made a good point about Will's charm. That really took him a long, long, way. Allie's charm wears off after someone spends about 1 hour in her company. These folks have been in a house with her for 7-8 weeks. |
Surreal_Badger | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:55 am     i don't like ali at all, but i do think she's playing a "good" game -- or an interesting one to say the least. the part where i think she's mistaken is her belief that she can WIN. i don't think there is anyone left in the house who she can beat, with the possible exception of robert (and frankly, i just don't see robert making it to the final 2). ali seems to think she can beat jun, but i highly highly doubt it. jun has also been lying etc etc, but i think the other hg's (again, with the exception of robert) seem to have a bit more respect for her |
Riviere | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 09:58 am     Glad folks remember Will, who was true to his alliance start to end (with himself) and the entourage he collected and used along the way! He was the most openly manipulative player BB ever saw before or will again.. Alison is a something else who pales in that shadow. She's a whatever way the wind blows type and I hope it blows her right out the door soon.. |
Whit4you | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 10:05 am     A huge difference between Will and ALlie is that Will let everything slide right off, Allie gets uptight often over little things. I remember one night Hardy and Nicole literally screaming at Will, Nicole threatening to rip his throat out (or something to that effect) and so on, he just smiled and took it. I really don't see Allie and Will having the same strategy at all, Will won - I don't think Allie stands a chance of winning. Personality wise, Allie reminds me alot more of Nicole then Will. |
Onlyhuman | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 10:08 am     Ali and Will are in no way playing the same game... 1) Will was nominated repeatedly. He handled every nomination with humor and charm, leading others to keep him. Ali has been nominated once and she whined and pouted and then seduced a guy into saving her. 2) Will claimed to be a liar, but never actually broke a promise. Ali claims to never have lied but has done so repeatedly. ("I promise to nominate Justin if you keep me, Nathan. I'll do whatever you want." as an example.) 3) Will spoke badly about many of the HGs, but he also spoke well and honestly about them once they were evicted. He also NEVER said a bad thing about those in his own alliance, which allowed him to retain their loyalty for the final vote. Ali has spoken viciously and negatively every HG and has continued to do so on a regular basis. 4) Will repeatedly assured everyone that he was a weak player. He set aside his ego and embraced that role. Ali can't stop telling everyone how strong she is and how much of a threat she is. Her ego won't allow her to accept the lesser role. her arrogance is going to be a major strike against her if she makes it to the finals. Regarding Ali's game: I think she has played a good one in terms of surviving but a bad one in terms of winning the grand prize. I just read Justin's parting comments and he is very clear about honesty being important. Others have also made similar statements. Even up against Jun, I don't know that she would win. I think others would accept Jun's honesty in openly changing sides better than Ali's duplicity in claiming to be loyal to all sides at once. |
Chelle | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 10:12 am     I feel a need to defend Ali. She is 23. I think that a lot of the mistakes she makes are because she doesn't have the life experience to know better. It is easy to sit here on the outside and judge how those on the inside act. If Ali really does have Jee's side duped, and she is going with the girls then good on her. I really do think she is for the three girls going to the final three. I can't say if she has a chance to win or not. You never know what people might think about being duped. Some may feel like she deserves to win, because she was able to fool them. Others may just be mad. She has managed to remain in the house this long. I try to give her the benefit of the doubt sometimes for being young. I made some really stupid decisions when I was her age. Let us hope that looking back she realizes that some of the things she has done in the BB house weren't wise. Then again if she walks away with $500,000 or even $50,000 it will be hard to say that she made any mistakes. |
Brenda1966 | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 10:20 am     Great post Onlyhuman. Attitude is one of the many things that separates Will from Ali. Will laughed his way through the game, Ali has snarked her way through it. (Is snarked a word? LOL) Will was fun to watch. Ali grates on the nerves. |
Tobor7 | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 10:26 am     Great Ode To WIll, Onlyhuman. I really liked him too. The funniest ever! |
Beruthiel | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 10:27 am     Snarky is a good old Northern English dialect word, Brenda! Amazed and chuffed to see it here, LOL! Excellent analysis, Onlyhuman! There's nothing more frustrating to an angry person than an antagonist who doesn't react - that's why Will was 'diabolical' and drove Nicole to a frenzy!  |
Csnog | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 10:28 am     I'm not fond of Ali but She is still there!!! |
Spunky | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 10:44 am     Cat, have you followed the feeds??? What Ali is doing is a big cover up of the Jun/Ali alliance to evict Jack and not Erika and she's letting the guys believe it will be Erika as they want her to do that. If she can hold on to that act until eviction night, then to me she played the best game. However, if she blows their cover before then.. well, she deserves to lose. Just be patient and watch on Wednesday... |
Kmjm | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 10:51 am     What I also loved about Will was that he never forgot about the viewing audience. He was totally aware that he was being watched 24/7 and he played to us. He worked hard at being entertaining. I think he'd be a scary person to be involved with in real life, but I would love to see him on TV again. Alison seems totally clued out about the reality that she is live on the internet. |
Catkey94 | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 10:52 am     Even if she does manage to pull off evicting Jack, she promised Jee and Robert that she was with them. If she goes against them and votes out Jack, she will lose any chance at thier vote. Also if Robert wins HOH next week, she is out of there. I never thought I would say this, but I hope Robert wins HOH. |
Kmjm | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 10:55 am     Let me add about Ali that it amazes me that she can lie so effectively to Jee and Robert and not gag on her own b*llsh*t. I think someone said here earlier that she deserves an oscar for some of her performances, and I agree. It's been fun watching her dupe them, and you have to give her credit for playing a very effective game in that respect. |
Spunky | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 10:56 am     Cat, it's a gamble.. but they had to take it...as Jack is totally useless to them. Promises don't mean anything at this point in the game. They know they will never have their votes anyway. If Jack, however, keeps telling Jun that he may nominate Robert and Jee, things could change... |
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