Archive through August 15, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Do you think you could compete effectively without lies?:
Archive through August 15, 2003
Timewaster | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 05:06 pm     Do you think you could compete effectively without lies? Would you even want to, even if it WERE possible? Justin disappointed me with his justification for putting up Nate and Jack when he said they had lied to his face. Just when I had been talking hoe effective he was being, he comes up with a comment that made him seem far more naive than Nate could ever hope of being. What about all the lies coming from your trusted 'friend' Ali I thought. At best, I thought he was just being a hypocrite. Then, in his comment to Julie, Justin maintains that it is possible to get through the entire game without lying. I MUST be a resident of the dark side, cuz if I had had any doubts to that point, they vanished at that moment. In my mind, that comment shows that Justin has no reason winning this game. In my opinion, if you did happen to make it to the end of the game without lying, it would only be because you rode on someone elses skirt, allowing them to do your lying for you. If anyone in your core alliance lies to further your cause, you are a liar by association. So get down off that high horse of your's, Justin, and give it a rest. What about you guys? Am I alone in this thinking? |
C1mag | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 05:12 pm     You're not alone in this thought. It's in the rules and it's allowed. I'd try to be careful with my lying but I'd lie and if I was fortunate enough to reach the finals I'd say of coarse I lied I was told I could. |
Wendo | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 05:18 pm     Timewaster, nope, not alone. What Justin said to Julie last night was nothing more than a hot, steaming pile of cow manure. |
Xarph | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 05:21 pm     Yes. I am telling you that it can be played without lies...but...then I would be lying. |
Cameltoes | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 05:21 pm     Exactly Wendo. I remember the second Dana got HOH and the feeds went back up, Justin was the one who grabbed the other two and told them to deny, deny, deny ever agreeing to get Dana out. I guess based on his definition this was a "change of situation" and not an actual lie. |
Goddessatlaw | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 05:27 pm     If I thought it would win me $500,000.00 in a game where it was fair play, I'd be the lyingest freaking liar you ever saw. Ya'll would think of hundreds of new phrases to describe me every day, all amounting to "mendacious sack of shit." |
Sherri | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 05:28 pm     Justin is not a bad guy, but young and idealistic. What I can't figure out is if he really believes that Jack and Nathan are the only two people who have lied to his face, or that he has been completely honest and not told a lie. If he really believes that, he is also very naive. I almost fell off the couch laughing when he said that the other night. And since he repeated it, I lean toward believing that is how he really sees it. Since it's in the rules that its okay to lie, its unrealistic to hold that against your housemates. Gosh, I'm glad some days that I'm getting to be an old fart |
Sherri | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 05:30 pm     Goddess - mendacious sack of shit - that is going to be my new phrase for tomorrow LOL |
C1mag | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 05:30 pm     Goddess "mendacious sack of..." ROFLMAO!! Now that is funny!! I love it! |
Cricket | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 05:38 pm     Could I play this 'game' without lying? Absolutely not. Doesn't mean I'd have to be sneaky and vindictive or cruel, but a certain amount of lying would have to be done. People go on the block every week and deals are made. This couldn't happen if no one lied. Justin is very naive to think he and the others haven't lied. I hope he realizes that when he sees the tapes. |
Xarph | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 05:39 pm     "mendacious sack of ...." !!!!!
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Earthmother | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 05:44 pm     Hell no I couldn't compete without lying. I'd even lie about my weight and age for a cool mil...of course I'd lie about my weight and age for just about anything.. |
Timewaster | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 05:45 pm     It gives me a warm feeling being surrounded by agreement. Or is it more the heat coming off the steaming piles of horse pucky? I "honestly" don't know what disturbs me more, the idea that "I, Justin can do what you lesser types can't"; or hearing yet another contestant in effect saying that they are not willing to go the distance in their quest for the cash. I would use every tool available (ineffectively, I'm certain), in getting just as close to the cash as I could. Even if it were one of my own crew making statements about what they "wouldn't do", I'd be looking to trade them in for a more efficent model. |
Squaredsc | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 06:43 pm     i would do whatever it takes short of getting naked and screwing another hg to win that money. so yes i would lie my azz off. |
Spwisc | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 06:57 pm     My husband seen the comment Justin made and said that it didn't make sense, but I think it made total sense. Jack out and out lied boldly in Justins face, as did Nate. What Justin was saying was yeah, you might say to someone that you won't put them up and then 4 days later, after the person did something negative, you change your mind and put them up, that is not a blatent lie. It's a change of mind. What Jack did especially was a total lie to his face (about Michelle). Yeah, what Justin said made total sense. |
Woodpecke® | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 07:55 pm     I had a comment for Squaredsc, loaded it and went to click it for posting, thought better of it and sent it to the cyber trash can. I may have a future as a moderator. Ya think? |
Squaredsc | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 07:59 pm     that bad wood? lol. now im wondering what it was. can you email it? |
Cliotheleo | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 08:03 pm     And I'd do all the stuff that Square WOULDN'T do! Anything short of punching another HG, but that's only because I know I'm a whimp and would get my butt whooped. |
Buggles | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 09:03 pm     OK all you liars!! You're scaring the good honest people here away One thing I've noticed both inside the house & in life.... NO ONE likes being lied to, even if they lie themselves. And I think you look like a fool in the house if you don't nail people who have clearly lied to you.... you 'lose' power. So personally, I thought Justin looked strong when he opted to do this in his nom speech, not naive or weak. Everyone will play the game differently though & that's what makes it so cool. I know 'it's a game' & lying's permitted in the rules, but imagine if everyone lied their a$$es off w/o any repercussions & no one getting mad... it would be totally ridiculous not to mention unrealistic imho... there has to be some degree of trust where alliances are concerned & people WILL get miffed if it's breached... how can you play this game & not. I think it's perfectly fine, admirable even, for Justin to try to play with integrity & expect it from others. Personally I wouldn't want to tolerate liars & cheats in a game of CARDS let alone a game for a half mil. I would expect lying in this game yes... if it's in the rules it's every HG's prerogative... I just think you can play the game however you want & that's what makes it so interesting. You can admire good liars or hate them. You can take the risk of lying or of playing too honestly. It's a great social experiment & exercise in judgment. Just my honest ramblings  |
Needmylifeback | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:07 pm     I am a very honest person....but, I can LIE really well....because everyone knows me as being honest and ethical...It would be hard in the house tho' because they wouldn't know me as the honest person I am "outside the house". I participate in a "secret pal" type activity and once I took the package to the "pal" and told her that her secret pal had dropped the package off to me and asked me to deliver it....I became the "deliverer" of my own packages and she never had a clue...because she knew that I "NEVER LIE!" (It made everything easier for me..because I didn't have to do any stealth missions with a flashlight to deliver her packages! LOL!) |
Puzzled | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:15 pm     Yet, I had to laugh, because Jack got saved because he told Justin the bald truth. Jack saw how Justin reacted to being lied to (like everyone wasn't lying that week), told him the truth, and Justin was stuck. He had to go with the "truthful" one. Ha-ha, hoisted on his own petard. |
Bluejaxrock | Friday, August 15, 2003 - 08:55 am     I wanna be "hoisted on his own petard" too, lol. (BTW-what exactly is a petard? Is it dirty? Will it feel good?) Seriously, what I would do in the house is what my 4-year old does...whenever she's told me a "story" and I call her on it, she says, "but I was only joking!" |
Gemma120in2002 | Friday, August 15, 2003 - 09:13 am     Word History: The French used pétard, “a loud discharge of intestinal gas,” for a kind of infernal engine for blasting through the gates of a city. “To be hoist by one's own petard,” a now proverbial phrase apparently originating with Shakespeare's Hamlet (around 1604) not long after the word entered English (around 1598), means “to blow oneself up with one's own bomb, be undone by one's own devices.” The French noun pet, “fart,” developed regularly from the Latin noun pditum, from the Indo-European root *pezd-, “fart.” LOLLLL! Ooops! Excuse me! |
Philamom | Friday, August 15, 2003 - 09:47 am     It's probably not possible to be completely honest in this game, not if you want to win, anyway. I don't mind the occasional lying of the HGs to advance him/herself in the game. I'd probably do the same thing. What I don't like, though, is those who call others liars, and then claim that they're playing with integrity and honesty (yeah, I'm talking about Justin here). I can't stand that sacramonious BS. And, to top in off, his justification to Julie that, if he changed his mind after already promising something, then it wouldn't be a lie. Duh, what else would it be?? In Justin's little world, it's lying if someone else does it, but apparently not if he does it. I liked Justin until last week's nomination speeches, but then my opinion of him took a downward spiral, and he's doing nothing to make it any better. |
Puzzled | Friday, August 15, 2003 - 10:24 am     ROFL Bluejax and Gemma. Didn't know about the fart part--that's hilarious. Learn something new every day. Anyway, Bluejaxrock, it wouldn't be any fun--at all. Well, it is fun to see someone else hoisted on his own petard. |
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