Now this is going too far!
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Now this is going too far!
C1mag | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 02:45 pm     It's a lousy game move that I wouldn't pull, but I don't think its gong to wreck the dude. If the show didn't televise the whole warts issue I'm sure they aren't gonna take the time to edit these childish remarks. Besides, whats so perverse about a man looking at a woman? It's not like he was hiding in one of the rooms while the females changed clothing. I agree with sean that it's more of "much ado about nothing" what he did was a normal hetrosexual male thing. He looked at a woman through a window. WOW I guess I'm a perv as well if thats all it takes to be called one. |
Kappy | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 02:45 pm     Bearware, I somehow don't think either of these two girls will ever feel bad about what they do or say. They take too much pride in it and feel very justified in their actions. I know we always say we realize the HG's are probably very different in their everyday lives from how they are in this game. But when it comes to Ali and Jun, I don't think that's the case. I think these two are just very use to functioning in this manner. If they want something that someone else has, they figure out how to make that person look bad to get it. I work in a place with 200 employees and there are two women in their 40's who both function this way and have for years. And no matter how many lies they fabricate about others, no one ever calls them on it. Some people just go through life this way and Ali and Jun are too good at it to have just begun doing it for the 'game'. |
Bearware | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 02:50 pm     Kappy - You're probably right, and isn't that sad. C1 - I don't mean that Jack is a pervert for looking, or even commenting. I'm concerned that they have taken this a step further into the "I'm afraid" stage. THAT is where the damage would be. AND if that makes you or him a perv, then I am also, cause I'd certainly be caught looking at some young stud! :-) |
C1mag | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 02:54 pm     It's like you said Kap about your co-workers. If someone were to call these two girls on this behavior I think Ali would bat her eyes and appologize for it and I think Jun would express that she didn't mean it "that way" it just sorta creeped her out. Of coarse this is the same girl that asked Nate to grab her breast and then said, " I'm ovulating" Sorta tough for her to cry some type of sexual harrassment. |
C1mag | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 02:56 pm     Bear I can totally see where you are coming from but the whole suggesion of "im afraid" could be debunked so fast by Alis actions after she mentioned this alleged fear. She sat in the ht wearing a bikini with him sitting right across from her for well over an hour after saying she was frightened of him. |
Kappy | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 03:00 pm     "this is the same girl that asked Nate to grab her breast and then said, " I'm ovulating" Sorta tough for her to cry some type of sexual harrassment. Exactly. I just wish BB would call them in and say something. I know it's not that big a deal but wouldn't it be nice if BB felt some responsibility to speak to them? |
Texasdeb | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 03:01 pm     I agree about Ali going through life the same way she is playing the game (remember the things Justin had to say). However, IMO Jun is playing to win at any expense. I don't think she tries to distroy people who get in her way in the real world. |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 03:02 pm     Honestly, I don't think this will have any effect on Jack after this game. That was never a concern of mine. What bothers me is that we have two women who are so quick to go to this place to win this game. I tend to look at BB from a larger world view (and yes, I know that it is a game) and what strikes me is how these are the exact type of women that make it sooooo hard for other women in this world. As a woman, I am disgusted that other women would find it so easy to make up lies of this nature about another man. There is no reason to do so, since they have the power in this situation but they are CHOOSING to do so anyway. These same women complain about the other men being sexist, and yet, by their very actions, they are reinforcing the stereotypes about women that foster such prejudices. We don't exist in a vacumn in this world and we are all affected by the actions of others, even in those we are simply observing. The media has a huge impact on the development of cultural biases. Broadcasting this type of action just makes it more difficult for women who DO have to deal with predatory men, since it puts into the minds of people that women will make up accusations such as this in order to manipulate others. Edited to add that I'm not saying that people will be shouting.."See, I told you women can't be trusted" due to this one incident, but that it just adds to the collective mountain that women must climb over in daily life. |
Kappy | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 03:09 pm     You hit the nail smack on the head, Only! |
Tobor7 | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 03:13 pm     Nice post Only! |
Tishala | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 03:27 pm     Sorry, I just don't buy it. Yes, Alison perpetuates certain stereotypes about women and that, perhaps, is precisely why she was cast: AS saw her as valuable because she is precisley the dichotomy of a certain kind of attractiveness combined with a certain kind of intelligence (although I am suspicious of both assertions, but that is beside the point for now). It is not her job to be on there but to fulfill exactly that role. And big deal--she is delivering. So far AS has not "Broadcast[...] this type of action," but if he does, I am sure it will be because it is easier to "reinforce[...] the stereotypes about women that foster such prejudices" than to pose an alternative, more progressive or more complicated version of women. By the by...I still believe that jack himself perpetuates this stereotypical ideas of femininity/sexuality when he says that Dana has as much sex appeal as a buzzard's crotch. It plays into exactly this same set of conventions. But we overlook it in players we like and kvetch about it in players we don't. |
Tobor7 | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 03:38 pm     ...and now she is doing it again in front of Jun and Erika. AND Erika is just laughing and playing along like she agress. I just feel like she should say something... |
Beruthiel | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 03:42 pm     Neither Jack nor Erika like Ali. They're both doing the 'play along with them until I can do something about them' game with their respective groups. |
Maris | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 03:48 pm     Exactly Tishala. |
Widowswalk | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 04:08 pm     I don't disagree with anyone but I kind of feel like poster Gina in that it is being blown a little out of proportion. No nun like creature would sign up for this show in the first place. I find the men's behavior much more offensive. If the women can get the men out then Jun and Erika can concentrate on getting Ali out. Right now they need her to get the chauvinist men out of the house. Jee first. I want that little "man of honor" to lose face and be "shamed" as he says in front of his family- big time. |
Texasdeb | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 04:18 pm     I like what you say Widowswalk - do you think Jun is ready to be done with Jee! I sure hope so. I've picked Jun to win & I DO NOT want Jee around after the next 10 days. Jun can beat Ali - hands down. It might be harder to beat Erika though. Erika would have Nate & Jack after this. |
Widowswalk | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 04:33 pm     Thank you Tex, so few people ever like what I say on this board, it's refreshing. Yes, Jee has gone power mad once again. I thought nothing could top his last HoH but he has manage to do that as well. He says he must not go before Jun or he will be shamed. lol |
Texasdeb | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 04:40 pm     Well, Widow - He IS going before Jun! He will be shamed by his family - oh, whatever. I'd really not have Ali around - but, she can't beat Erika or Jun. She has to be there. I only hopt that Erika & Jun are the $$ winners. I don't want Ali to walk out of there with anything (except a little her in the making he,he,he...). |
Widowswalk | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 04:50 pm     Yes Tex, I don't want Ali to win and would be happy with either a Jun or Erika win. I have also said this before, the dark side of me would be really happy if Robert won. I don't like him any more than most ladies on this board but I love to see moral outrage gone wild. This would cause the board to explode. I would love that. |
Seamonkey | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 06:09 pm     Erika not only didn't say anything she talked about having some of the same feelings at times, like when Jack answered some question early on about having fantasies of hooking up with someone in the house. and i've heard him talk about Erika's bikini dozens of times and the old saw that he is counting the polkadots. So he's fed the stereotype. As for Ali seizing upon that excuse.. her problem is that she's playing all sides and she knows that Jee and Robert want Erika gone and has agreed to go with them. As for Jun, she doesn't know this, she has asked more than once, they have brushed her off, Robert continually tells Jee that Jun isn't with them and not to tell her anything. I think they planned to tell her how to vote at the last minute and no matter how she votes, she's out on a limb unless Ali votes the same way. Ali says she will but no one can or does trust Ali. |
R151996 | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 06:15 pm     Don't think for a second that Erika and Jun would just automatically dump Ali if those three are the final three. Both Erika and Jun should realize Ali would be easier to beat in the finals than each other. It could be a $450,000 emotional gamble to keep Ali out of the finals just because they may not like her. |
Widowswalk | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 07:17 pm     That too R- you are right |
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