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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: How would they WIN?

Rob_Robe

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison - there is no chance in hell she can win the 500 G even if Hitler walked into that house.

Erika - wins it by bringing either Jun and Ali to the end. will loss to Robert and Jee.

Jee - can beat anyone even if Jesus Christ himself walks into that house.

Jun - wins it by bring Ali. will loss to anyone else.

Robert - wins only if he brings anyone BUT jee. everyone else he wins.

Lisad

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika will lose to Robert & Jee. Boy - I sure strongly dissagree with that. Mostly with Robert.

Actually according to what you said above. If Jee can't win against anyone including Jesus - then Erika can beat him, but you say she'll lose to Robert & Jee. :)

Rob will win over anyone but Jee? Wow!

Imz

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a feeling Jun will win, if she makes it to the F2. Jeebertindan will provide the 4 votes needed, assuming Jee and Robert are on the jury (seems to be a safe assumption.)

Rob_Robe

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually according to what you said above. If Jee can't win against anyone including Jesus - then Erika can beat him, but you say she'll lose to Robert & Jee.

I said ... Jee will beat anyone .... can beat anyone ... huh? where did i say can't????

Jagger

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Erika will win against anyone
Jee will win against Robert or maybe Alison
Alison may win against Jun but no one else
Jun may win against Alison or Robert
Jun and Alison are a 50/50 split
Robert I don't think will win against anyone, except maybe Alison

I guess it all depends on if people vote by who played a good game or by who they liked or disliked.

For example Nate would probably not vote for Ali because he feels she played him, yet Ali did just what the game calls for, to out play the others.

Rob_Robe

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A Case for Robert

Robert VS Alison
Vote for Robert - Justin, Jee, Dana, Nate/Jack/OR Erika

Robert VS Jun
Vote for Robert - Justin, Jee, Dana, Nate/Jack/OR Erika

Robert VS Erika
This the only one where possibly could go either way...
Vote for Robert - Justin, Jee, Dana,

Rob_Robe

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika beats anyone? wow!

just realized, she could possibly beat jee, that one would be a close one too

and by the way, PEOPLE DO VOTE WITH EMOTIONS, you would be insane to think people will vote according to who played better because if that was the case.... Dani from last year should either had WON OR if anything would had lost with a closer margin ... she got what? ONE VOTE??? please give me a break

Eeyoreslament

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Personally, in the Erika Jun matchup, I could see Jun winning, solely because she managed to befriend more people than Erika. Erika was too closed off and only friendly with Jack. So I think Jun has the upper hand in that pair.

Also, I could see Ali winning if people step back and go "Well....you played the game, and that is what you were in here to do, and I respect that". They did it with Will, however there is NO WAY I put Ali in the same league as Will. But sometimes people vote for the evil game players out of respect for them playing it so hard.

Rob_Robe

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun VS Erika
Vote for Erika - Nate, Jack, EVEN JUSTIN would vote for Erika due to the fact he did not like Jun. And Robert would vote for Erika because why would he give the money to a strange PLUS a person who he dislikes too. Even Ali might vote for Erika. I see no way how Jun wins against Erika.

Gina8642

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think if Robert/Jun in final two, Dana will vote for Jun. One good-bye comment does not a relationship make.

Robert v. Jun
For Robert - Justin, Jee, possibly Nate
For Jun - Allie, Erika, Jack, Dana

I don't think Robert will earn a vote from - Erika, Jack, Allie, or Jun - no matter who he is up against. These four have come to fully dislike Robert for his attitudes.

Jee and Robert will not earn Dana's vote if they are against Jun.

Jee and Robert probably killed their chance of getting Ali's vote after their 'threat' session with Allie Tuesday night.

Anyway - I think we cannot call the votes of the folks still in the house. If any of them get scr$wed over between now and the end, votes will change.

Neko

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison - No way is she winning against ANYONE.
(If she does, it's the end of my BB watching for good.)

Jee - He could win against Alison and maybe Robert but no one else.

Robert - Could win against Alison but no one else.

Ericka - Win against everyone except perhaps Jun.

Jun - If she was F2 against anyone, I think she'd win it.

The best thing for anyone to do. Imho, is to take Alison to the end with them. Since I don't think anyone will vote for her.
Not even Nate.

Gina8642

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think a more interesting question is who has the best chance of making it to final two. Here I think Alison has the best chance. If I assume the women make final three (and I admit that is a HUGE assumption):

Erika - probably wants to take Allie, easiest win, closer to Allie than Jun. She may take Jun, but she is a slam dunk winner against Ali, taking Jun is riskier.

Jun - wants to take Allie, best chance for her to win. I think her chances against Erika are much slimmer.

Alison - wants to take Jun. I don't think she has a chance against Erika.

So - Allie goes no matter who wins final three.

Katlady53

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't see Robert beating anyone other than Ali.

Trinity63

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali - She's Danielle from season three. She couldn't win unless she was put up against Scott, and he was ousted for being a freak. No one is going to vote for her, she lied, and played both sides against the middle and got caught.

Erika -- if she's smart and Ali's in the house, she will win against ali. However, I don't see her winning against Jun.

Jun I see her winning against Jee and Erika, and Ali, and Robert.

Robert the only person I see him winning against is Ali.

Jee he might win over Robert -- but he has alienated (sp) himself against the girls over the food thing. They don't forget that.

In all the BB's it's Ali I can't stand more than I really didn't dig Will, or Danielle. And I am trying to figure out why. And it's bugging me.

R151996

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with those who say Ali can beat Jun and possibly Robert.

Unless Jee wins the veto this week and if Jun still wants to keep Jee, she cannot nominate him. Ali and Erika will vote Jee out 2-0 if he's on the block.

If Jun backstabs Erica to take Ali to the finals, Ali could easily get votes from Erika, Jack, Nathan, Justin, and possibly Robert. Ali might even get Jee's vote if Jun does nominate him and he goes this week.

With four weeks left two years ago many thought Will had absolutely no chance of winning. Much can still happen before September 24.

Eliz87

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm so confused by Jun and Ali that I can't even predict who will get to the final three this year, much less the final two or winner. Honestly I'm not really rooting for anyone either -- I guess Erika would be my choice to win, but I've noticed her acting rather immature lately. I don't know if that's just to fit in better with "the girls" or what, but ick.

All in all, the show has been more enjoyable the past couple of weeks, though. I suppose I don't care who wins, so everyone is equally deserving IMO.

Buggles

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually think Ali could possibly win this thing. Here's the way I see Ali v. Jun:

Robert would definitely vote for Ali. He hates Jun & has been fearing her 'sliding thru' to the finals for ages. He likes Ali & respects her as a player despite her last vote.

Erika doesn't appear to have any more allegiance to Jun than Ali. In fact she & Ali have been getting fairly close lately & I think Erika respects Ali as a tough competitor. I don't think she thinks a whole lot of Jun.

Nate clearly saw Ali as one of the strongest competitors in the game. He never was fond of Jun. He seems to have gotten over any hard feelings towards Ali as last night he said he'd like to have her in the sequestered house to they can 'snuggle.'

Justin may well vote for Ali. When she was HoH she was pressured to put him on the block but didn't, no small favor. He wouldn't fault her for not voting for him to stay (as it wouldn't have mattered anyway). He definitely thinks of her as a strong player & would be one to take that into consideration when casting his vote. He didn't like her two-faced ways, but he did place more trust in her than Jun.

Jack saw Ali as a tough competitor as well, case in point, she headed his hit list after Justin left the house. It seems he was a bit closer to Jun & I could see he found Ali's lack of integrity distasteful, but Jun was not much better (maybe not at all). I do think it's conceivable he could give it to Ali for being the 'stronger player' in the game.

Jee it would seem at first glance would vote for Jun, but it's not so clear. Lately he's been tighter with Ali. Jun was not 'loyal' to him with the last vote and he was quite angry with the way she showcased his decision to put them all on PB&J. He could be jealous of Jun winning, feeling she does not deserve it, whereas he considered Ali a strong enough player to be worthy of joining 'the dream team.'

Dana obviously is the strongest vote against Ali though even she might surprise us & give Ali props for being a 'stronger player' than Jun.

So there you have it! A case for Ali

Realbiz

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dana votes for Ali - would just like Christy voted for Jenna in Survivour 6! Ya never know...

Kalekona

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
that was a real shocker real.....

Onlyhuman

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If it comes down to Ali vs. Jun, it's going to HAVE to be a popularity contest, because there is NO WAY you could say that one played better than the other. Actually, I could make a case that Jun played a stronger game, because she played more of a role in getting the people she wanted out of the house in addition to keeping herself safe. Ali just kept herself safe.

But anyway...

Given that they both played a similar game, if it's these two, I really believe that Jun will win based on popularity.

Dana: Jun. No brainer. Ali will not be getting her vote, despite the horrible message Jun left. Dana would have seen the POV competition with the cameras and all of the nasty names Ali called her. Add that to everything else and I think Dana will vote for ANYONE over Ali.

Nathan: Jun. Again, no brainer. Though Nathan said he wouldn't mind having a snuggle bunny, notice that would mean that she was OUT of the house. He does not want her to win. When they were watching the highlights, he was very bitter while Ali was talking, yelling "Do we believe you, Ali? NO!" Nathan will probably vote for Ali ONLY if she is up against Robert.

Justin: Probably Jun. Justin doesn't like the game that either has played but I think he will be more comfortable voting for the person who openly switched sides rather than Ali who continues to play all sides. Also, it will depend upon how Robert/Jee present Ali's "betrayal" to him when one of them gets to the Jury House.

Jack: Jun. Jack has said that he prefers to see Jun win over Ali. The ONLY way Ali gets Jun's vote is if she is the one to win the final endurance HOH and picks Jun. I think that kind of stamina will impress Jack. However, if Ali is taken into the finals after appearing to throw the contest, Jack will not have respect for that.

Robert: Probably Jun. While Robert rants and raves to blow off steam under stress, he eventually calms down enough to be somewhat rational. He will appreciate Jun more for her open strategy, her willingness to admit to her game plan and because he can't stand to see a woman like Ali win this game. All Jun has to do is have one of her non-game conversations with Robert before he is evicted and the vote is hers.

Jee: Jun. Jee appreciates good game play and he knows that Jun has been masterful. Ali really bothers Jee on a personal gut level and I don't think he will be able to see past that and give her the money.

Erika: Jun. While Erika appears close to Ali, it's all a ploy. Erika feels close to nobody, it's all part of the plan. However, I think that Erika respects Jun more as a person and as a game player. Unless Jun does something wild this week to completely set Erika off (i.e. nominating her) Erika will vote for Jun.

Buggles

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a quick note to Onlyhuman

I understand what you're saying, that by definition both players in the finals MUST have played a good game or they wouldn't be there. However I'm not so sure the HGs see it that way & that's what matters. There is this element called 'luck' in the game... a BIG factor that cannot be denied and is all too real to the HGs. I don't think they want to see anyone 'luck their way' to the 500 g's. No one can reasonably say that Jun plotted the cards to all fall the way they did, she didn't control who won the comps (no one can), though she certainly made some strategic moves in her own right. Most notably, she kept a fairly low profile & didn't make any big enemies. Just the way I see it

I'm not rooting for Ali over Jun btw. I was simply speaking as to what I perceive the viewpoints of the HGs to be. I have no idea who I'd choose to win personally... my faves have already been evicted

Jpgramma

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
looking at all the possible combos, I'd guess that the only F2's that could have a pretty predictable outcome would be:

Erika vs June - Erika wins
or
Erika vs Ali - Erika wins
or
Erika vs Gee - Gee wins
or
June vs Gee - June wins

I think all the other combos are more uncertain as to the outcome. The real unknown factor here is how the remaining HGs go out. example, If Ali got next HOH and put up Erika and June instead of Robt, she'd probably lose E & Junes vote aganist almost anyone. Other scenerios like that could also come into play.

Erika vs June: Erika wins it:
Jack : Erika
Nate : Erika
Robert : Erika
Justin : Erika
Dana : June
Gee : June
Ali : ??? her vote wouldn't matter anyway. muahahaha

Erika vs Ali: Erika wins
Jack : Erika
Robert: Erika
Gee: Erika
Dana: Erika
June: ??? give edge to Erika
Justin: ???? said it would be Erika, but who knows?
Nate: ??? I think Erika has the edge, especially with Jack in his ear.

Erika vs Robert: too close to call because of Ali
Jack: Erika
Nate : Erika
June: Erika
Justin: Robert
Gee: Robert
Dana: Robert
Ali: ??? as always, the wildcard.

Erika vs. Gee: Gee wins with June's vote
Jack: Erika
Nate: Erika
Ali: Erika
Dana: Gee
Jusin: Gee
Robert: Gee
June: Gee

Ali vs June: Too close to call
Jack: June
Dana: June
Gee: June
Nate: ? Ali ??
Justin: Ali ??
Robert: Ali??
Erika: June ?

Ali vs Robert: actually may be too close to call
Dana: Robt
Nate: Ali
Justin: Robt
Jack: Ali ?
Gee : Robt
June: Ali
Erika: Ali?

Ali vs Gee: again, may be too close to call
Dana: Gee
Nate: Ali?
Justin: Gee
Jack: Gee?
Robt : Gee
Erika: Ali
June: Gee

June vs Robt: could be close, but edge to June
Dana: June
Nate: June??????
Justin: Robt
Jack: June
Gee: Robt
Erika: June
Ali: June?

June vs Gee: I think June would take it
Dana: June
Nate: ?? June?
Justin: Gee
Jack: June
Robt: Gee
Erika: June
Ali: ??June??

Onlyhuman

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My point is, that the two played a similar floating game, convincing all sides that they were with them. Jun's game was riskier, because what she did was OPENLY side with one side, while maintaining a secret alliance with the other side. Ali pretty much kept all sides in the dark about her true alliances.

What Jun did do is have a HUGE influence over almost every nomination and eviction. She won POV when it was critical to get Justin out. She made sure that she made connections with every person and that she had a strong say in the decisions that were made. She convinced the others to vote out David, Nathan, Justin and Jack, all strong, well liked men that she knew she would have a tough time against in the finals. This week she has won HOH and will once again get rid of a strong competitor.

In comparison, Ali has NOT been very influential. She has basically floated along with the majority, all the while making sure to keep the other side believing in her. She got HOH but put out Dana, which was a good move for her but didn't take a lot of plotting, since Dana was hated in the house.

Do I think that they will all reason this out? No. But I think the ones who are going to judge on "game play" will have a hard time determining the "better" player between those two because they played the game the same. It will come down to a popularity contest and I think that is one that Ali will probably lose, though I could be wrong.

That's just my two cents. I have no vested interest, I just think that Jun will win this battle fairly easily. I also think that Ali is deluded enough about how wonderful she is that she won't see it coming, so I'll have that to look forward to.

Buggles

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey, good comments Only

My mom & I were just noticing that Ali seems (in our estimation) to have a much better status with the HGs than we as outsiders feel she deserves. Her skill in the comps is a big part of this though Jun has been proving herself lately to be a real contender as well.

I really do think that the HGs might give Ali more props & be more forgiving than we might expect. Like my mom noted last night, they don't seem to be aware JUST how badly she is lying to them. They know themselves how hard it is to be entirely truthful in this game, so I wouldn't be suprised if cut her some slack. Funnily enough if you *really* look objectively it seems that for whatever reason that there's always a part of them that wants to believe her even though they all know she's a liar. They won't be getting the benefit of her DR entries until later... then they'll get to see what a Dani she really is (as we all know too well)!

It's all opinion of course Nice talking.

Pantageas

Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually Jun is poised to jockey for better position now for a win now against most of those left. She could make a deal with the J3(2?) that she has BOTH their votes if she gets to final 2 -the nominaten the women. Or vice versa. or something in between....