The effect of sequestering on this game.
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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: The effect of sequestering on this game.

Xarph

Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 01:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This year, the HGs have two goals. One is the final prize and the other is to become one of the sequestered final 7.

The idea that they will be sequestered together in some cool resort without cameras or obligations is a big draw. It is such a big draw that it is taking the edge of their need to win.

This is making them play the game very differently. Dana would be almost as happy to get sequestered with Justin as she would be to win. This possiblity has helped her make her "bold" nominations this week. She knows she will be sequestered and really does not care (very much) if she is booted next.

In my opinion, the sequestering of the last seven is hurting the game.

Closetfan

Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 01:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree. And since the game is now 'awwwn', I'd like to know if the 'house' will be in the US, cbs lot, or in Mexico.

Scorpiomoon

Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 02:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Closetfan: From what I have read, the house is on the CBS lot--near the BB house.

I just don't get these people. Why do they always assume that just because something happened last year that it will happen again? Aren't they aware this year's motto is: expect the unexpected? Geez.

Bracken

Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 09:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great analysis Xarph. I never thought about how the sequestering of the jury affected their game. I was more interested in this issue as a viewer having footage and access to the jury deliberations (at least I hope they show us some of that.)

I wholeheartedly agree that they are attempting to prolong this game into a job that lasts the entire three months and thinking that they are going to vacation while being paid.

It's a double edged sword, the sequestration helps the final tv shows by providing a secondary plot to the game, but changes the game itself. If they don't sequester everybody will play "Nicole" in the diary room (I'm so sorry to vote for you type of thing.) Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Do you have any ideas about how to achieve good diary room entries and not reward the jurors? I can't think of a good way to accomplish both.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 04:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wish they would be sequestered on "Paradise Hotel". Toni would make mincemeat out of the lot of them! :)

Xarph

Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 04:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Toni is one very scary girl.

Costacat

Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 04:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Toni scares the daylights outta ME and she can't touch me!!!

Quin11

Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 04:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wouldn't it be awful to be sequestered with people who backstabbed you and voted you out?

Jan

Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 05:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
great analaysis Xarph! Oh to be a fly on the wall when they discover they will be in a house on the same lot and will have to live with all the enemies they have made! (Dana with Nate and/or ALi, Robert with Erica). Basically they have to go through the same Sh#t but with no hope of any big money prize.

Thorntara

Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 06:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Xarph, great thought!

It's really interesting...maybe the only thing interesting about this group to think about who is there for the 3 month paid vacation and who is there to win the 500K. Seriously...$750/week is better than unemployement pays anywhere, plus, no food expenses, no rent/mortgage, etc.

What is scary is that a cast of young people who can sublet or give up an apartment to go on the show then live expense free for 3 months (more or less) accumlating money whether or not they win the game. And, if they believe they will be living this life in some Mexican or island resort, then where is the drive to actually win?

I think too many of them have the goal to get the paid vacation. And, Jan, yes it will be so interesting when they find out what the actual sequestering deal will be! I can't wait!

Spunky

Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't understand why they were told they were going to be sequestered together and not in separate locations.
If they know they are going to be sequestered why not tell them where and how. They can't repeat what they've done last year because then they'd know, so it won't be a resort or out of the States. Even if it is a house next door, they could not be allowed to mingle together...but they think they are going to be together and so they are playing accordingly.. dumb! :(

Bastable

Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 03:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Are the Survivor jury members allowed to mingle? I think they are. Once they come back to watch Tribal Council, they seem to be instantly bitter and knowing. If so, it hasn't affected their ability to come to different votes.

Laisey

Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spunky, AS has stated to the press that they will be in a house and will be filmed while there.

Bohawkins

Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't you think that one of the first three evicted houseguests will have a chance to come back? Michelle, Amanda or this weeks?

It seemed to work ok last year with Amy returning, my guess is they will do it again. Has anyone seen Michelle in her home town?

Theo

Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 03:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope they are all sequestered on rykers island in a 6x6 jail cell.....

Spunky

Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 03:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bo... the Twist has to be something NEW or else it won't be a twist..:)

Maris

Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree. It is hurting the game. They are all thinking about laying back for two months and collecting 750 a week with no expenses. They want to win but it doesnt mean as much they will be just as happy collecting their 7 grand or whatever.

They should not have told them they were being sequestered, just as Amy, Lori and the others didnt know they were going somewhere else. Maybe it will be different after this week when they have it sealed who will be in the sequestration house. I hope that they at least film the houseguesgts as Julie says to them upon departure, "Joey here will escort you across the lot to your sequestration house.

Puzzled

Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 03:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point, Xarph. It really does take away from the tension of BB. They lose and get a paid vacation.

Costacat

Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
FWIW, the Survivor jury members are no longer allowed contact. They were in the first couple of shows I think (sequestered together). But I think the last couple anyways they've been kept apart.

Allietex

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 01:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it is great. Think about how bland the diary room entries would have been this year if they had not made this change. The houseguests would have all been worried about the evicted houseguest seeing their entries. I think even the shows would have been less open. You think they did not see what happened to Danielle last year? After playing such a great game, she got only one vote; even her "buddies" voted against her after seeing the tapes.

Of course they will get some information as the newly evicted houseguests join them but they won't be able to see EVERYTHING even the live feeds. It will be more like suvivior. And I like the idea of the jury because those people spent more time in the house and will be better able to judge than one who was only there one or two weeks.

I really believe that BB had to make this move or lose the openness that makes for good reality theater.

Cricket

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
With the hatred being spewn from one side to the other in this group, I think sequestering won't do anything good. I thought they wouldn't be able to talk to each other, but it doesn't seem like that's what will happen.

Dana will rant and rave until she drives people so nuts they will agree with her in the hopes it will shut her up. Same as Roddy 'persuading' everyone last year how evil Dani was. It won't be a fair vote. Dana rants how she is not making 'personal' decisions, yet all her decisions have be personal. She is too hot headed for this game.

Everyone who is sequestered should be locked in their own room, lol. That will teach these brats who the real boss is...umm, that would be BB.

Roamjotiba

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 11:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wish they would sequester the evictees in the Big Brother House, wouldn't it be great next week when one of them get's booted only to have them come back and ring the doorbell an hour later? They should be able to live right there with them only they don't get to compete in any challenges and the evictees always eat.
It would be only right because if they were sequestered away from the game they are basing their end vote on very old info.
JMO

Scarlet

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 11:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't imagine BB sequestering the first jury member by himself....I'm guessing that the FIRST member will get a trip somewhere...then go into the "second" house with the second jury member.
IMO

Maris

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 11:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I would like to be the first member sequestered especially if I know I dont have a chance in hell of winning. . Hopefully, I get to pick MY bed and I have solitude for a week. If it is Dana, I think it would be great if the following week it is Justin. They will have a nice relaxing time before any of the originals come into the house.

Scandalousplaya

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they should keep the houseguest separated. Everyone should make their own separate decision for the winner.

We assume that if the houseguest were sequestered together last year, Roddy would have infuenced the votes against Dani. However Roddy wasn't aware of the Devil comment, so who knows.

Crazydog

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 11:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Scandalous, but last year people still asserted that Roddy manipulated and influenced the final vote. There were claims that Roddy called everyone up and told them to vote against Dani. I think this was not true, I thought I read an interview, maybe with Josh, where he said Roddy had no influence.

Together or separate, there is room for a vocal evictee to influence the vote. The same thing happened in BB2, some people claimed that Mike Boogie, Shannon and Krista influenced the vote in favor of Will.

Scandalousplaya

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 12:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know if Roddy had an influence on the final vote. However I do believe he did express his opinion, which he was entitled to and I'm sure all of the hgs had opinion on the final vote.

Josh never gave a reason why he changed his vote, which didn't make any sense. Josh was so vocal about how Dani should win and all of sudden...?
There was interview w/ Eric and Josh and I do remember Eric stated he will convince Josh to change his vote in favor of Lisa.

It was my understanding that one of Dani's faults (one out of hundred) for not winning the game was her ruthless attack on Roddy (Devil comment).

I just think that all of the hgs should be kept separate until voting day.

Let the hg make their own decision because who is to say that some of the other hgs will create lies in favor for the person they want to win.

Cathie

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wouldn't it be fun if the sequestered HG were dependent on the "still in the game" HG for their food supply? If the "still in the game" group wins food for the week the sequestered group gets PB&J, and if the remaining HG get PB&J the sequestered group gets food.

Maris

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 02:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The conversation between Dana and Justin is a riot. He is telling her if she gets to the sequestration house before him to get some dope because it has been so long since he has smoked. She promises him she would. Then she says she hopes they are going to Hawaii, they have great weed there.

Darkhorse19

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone else think that someone from the sequestered house is going to be coming back into the BB house like Amy did last year? They do have an extra week to spare...

Crazydog

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Supposedly there was an interview with AS where he definitely stated that this year, there would be NO returning houseguest. The lack of sequestration and the greeting of the evictees by loved ones seems to confirm that.

Mlt

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Dana goes this week and Ali goes next week, I want live feeds into that house ;)

One problem I see with sequestering the jury is that, if I recall correctly, BB has said that they will be shown 'portions' of the shows. That to me means that BB has a lot of power in deciding what the jury gets to see. And therefore, BB will decide who the winner will be. I think the only reason the houseguests are being sequestered this year is because Arnie wanted Dani to win last year. This year, he will try to decide the winner.

Willsbills

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 12:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
These guys are so disloyal and waivering in their opinions and views that the minute even, Dana and Ali get in the house together they'll be the best of friends. Meanwhile, the people left in the house are thinking there's fighting and disharmony in the sequestering while all the people that have been evicted are cussing the people that are still in there and have a chance. You watch if Ali and Dana wind up evicted there will sit Robert and Nate (for example) thinking I've got her vote and those two will have made amends and who knows what will happen. I think that's when the real lying and deceit and confusion will begin. Yes, Monya it AWWWWN! Do we get to see footage from the sequestering house? How much can they discuss the voting and show with one another?

Kalekona

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 01:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
With all the talk about penelty nominations it got me thinking, what if someone hit the panic button or was forced to leave the house now..what does that do to the jury? you would have an even number of members and a possibility of a tie.

I think they should have sequestered all the evictees but end up drawing straws or something to find out which ones vote.