Archive through September 03, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Finally!! A Gutless Houseguest Plays The Tearful "Financial Need" Card:
Archive through September 03, 2003
Seamonkey | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 11:24 pm     What is ironic is that while Jun may actually have a few thousand in shoes, she also worked for the money and takes three classes at the same time. I'd wager good money that Ali's parents put magnitudes more money into skating lessons, outfits, skates, pageant dresses, dance lessons and so on for Ali. The other day, Jee suggested that if Ali worked full time she could start to pay off her loans Ali snapped that she DOES work full time, so he assumed she had saved a little money and she said no way, she has NO money. Ali has said her dad makes "only about $130,000 in the small town.. I don't think they are exactly destitute. BB bleeped out what she really said Jun would spend the money on.. they bleeped out the word "drugs" and left in "garbage". I know Jun grates on people but Ali grates way more on me. Jun snarks about people, but so do the others. However Jun usually tells the actual truth 100 times for every time Ali does.. Ali just makes stuff up out of whole cloth and is extremely proud of it. As Jun said in the DR, one of her nominees will be losing their chance at the money , and that isn't fun. For Ali that knowledge is definitely fun. And as for poor Donny, who Ali thinks deserves to be on the show instead of most of the others, tonight she said he'd better meet her with a big diamond ring.. guess that's more important than for him to get a car?? I'm always interested in Erika.. when Ali goes too far, she sometimes just cannot support her.. this morning Ali said she wanted to make her own eggs, Jun asked why and Ali said she didn't want a fatty breakfast. Erika explained that what Jun had made was actually extremely low fat, so the pouting pageant princess grudgingly decided she'd deign to eat the eggs and ended up liking them. But she never misses a chance to slide in criticism of some sort. And as she said on the show, Jun stole HER spotlight, oh my! Capital offense! I have a feeling that her fellow figure skaters, cheerleaders, and pageant queens would have a thing or two to say about Ali's tactics. I swear if she and Robert go to the final, I'd almost rather he'd win, but if I had to actually vote between them on the jury, I'd be in distress. Jun or Erika.. Jun is my favorite all along, but Jun or Erika winning is fine.. Jun and Erika in final two with the jury deciding, cool. This show just revealed Ali, as she is day to day on the feeds, like the last show revealed Robert as he is.. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 11:26 pm     Oh yeah and Ali has flown the "my mother is sick" card as well.. or might be sick, I think it went. |
Meggieprice | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 11:29 pm     What Sea said. I wont try Gina, but I personally do believe she has been worse. |
Tobor7 | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 11:38 pm     Very detailed post Seamonkey. You should be a lawyer. (And I say that in a good way.) What Meg said. I trust my "reaction" to thinks I see and hear, amd my "reaction" says Ali was worse than the others. |
Reichenfan8 | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 11:39 pm     wow, seamonkey, you said it all. and i totally agree with you. as i was watching ali complain/whine/cry to erika on tonight's episode, i really really wanted to laugh. if ali think she's the most deprived person in the house, she's dilusional. i think a rob/ali final 2 would be hilarious! it's gotten to the point where i'd love to see her face if he beat her. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 11:49 pm     Yeah. but unfortunately that would feature her getting $50,000. |
Cliotheleo | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 11:50 pm     So who WOULD be the most deprived person in the house? They seem all pretty deprive-less at this point. Of course there's Jee, but I'm not sure if my positive opinion of him is clouding my view at the moment. |
Jane_Bond | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:17 am     Ali's family poor? What a crock! Daddy obviously didn't show Ali the bills for the ice skating, cheerleading and pageant going! You have to make a comfortable living to afford those kinds of activities! My granny (grannygrunt!) paid for my school trips! So, I deserve the half mill! |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:19 am     LOL! I just had a feeling such a topic would be here after tonight's show. That Ali, she sure can rile people. It didn't upset me at all what she said on the show. I just laughed out loud. I laughed because I knew she wasn't jealous of Jun going to the VMA's, just peeved Jun stole her thunder at winning POV. I laughed at her crying bit because I knew she was playing on Erika's emotions and it was so transparent. (Though, I think Erika bought it.) And I laughed because even though she's been reviled by some HG's, as well as here, she's still in that game plugging away. LOL! I find her just so entertaining. Hahaha. To address some comments: Tobor7 said, "When I told my wife that there are actually people on the internet that like Ali she couldn't believe it. She said... "See, you're right. There is an A$$ for every seat in America."" Well, I like her, yet I don't consider myself an a$$. I'm quite entertained by her. To me she's playing a part and dang if she isn't playing it to the hilt. Steveh said, "Alison is the most despicable houseguest EVER. I don't mind a player who will do anything to win--e.g. Dr. Will--as long as, at least in the diary room, they say that's what they're doing. But Alison won't even 'fess up there." Fascinating. Will was going to pretend he had cancer, until it was foiled by a banner. Yet, Alison is despicable. They both are using tactics, ones you may like or not. And, if it's someone you like, said tactic may seem less despicable. Depends on ones perspective I suppose. However, I do disagree that Alison doesn't fess up in the DR when it was clear on tonight's show that she does. She said in the DR that she was playing on Erika's emotions. Sounds like fessing up to me. LOL! R151996 said, "Ali's comments toward Jun were totally part of her game strategy, and if you haven't figured that out yet then you're being played by her more than she's playing the HGs." Yep, I agree. Steveh said, "You know Woodpecker the funny thing is that IMO Alison is fairly oblvious to what swine (and they really are) Robert and Jee are. She "hates" them and thinks they are "a**holes" for typically petty reasons; she overlooks their flagrant sexism (Robert) and general pretentiousness and duplicitness (Jee) and focuses on relatively minor things she's heard them say about her or, in the case of Robert last night, things she only THINKS they've said about her. " I disagree. Ali has commented several times to Erika on the feeds about her ex (Robert) is a women hater. How Robert puts down women and doesn't talk nicely about them. Additionally, she has commented about how Jee was very arrogant during his week of HOH. She may not comment them in the DR nor do we see them on the tv show, but we have seen it on the feeds. Smokey said, "As far as people seeing through her, I think in that environment, and being someone who has some compassion, it could very well be so that Erika believes her when she sobs to Erika about how she feels about Robert and others in the house. I was putting myself in Erika's place, being with a much younger girl who is really upset and I think comforting Ali is only logical in that situation if you are a compassionate person." And, as Ali said, this was the goal of that conversation. To gain acceptance from Erika and for Erika to want to give Ali the money over Jun should she and Jun be F2. Again, it's just a tactic, a tactic that many find undesirable, but a tactic nonetheless in a game with no rules. Jag2000 said, "Isn't it too bad that we (TV viewers) do not have the opportunity to vote out this weeks nominated HG like we did on BB1? Ali's crying about being soo poor and her father being a LAWYER and doesn't make any money makes me sick. Lawyer's in small towns and big cities all make money." Actually, to be clear, she didn't cry about being poor. She stated that her family is not as well off as people assume just because her father is a lawyer. And, your last line in the above comment illustrates the assumption. I know lawyers who do not make a lot of money. Lawyers who work as public defenders, as prosecuters, or who do pro bono work. Tobor7 said, "Ali may be the type of person who uses a "death in the family" as a late excuse for work-- as opposed to "I over slept." She seems to take the low road when other roads are still open and without traffic. Plus she seems to enjoy doing it." I think you're assuming how she is in real life based on the tactics she's using in the game to win. In real life, for all we know, she would never use tactics such as lying, betrayal, etc. There's no way to know for sure. Misslibra said, "What bothers me she seem to really get off on the things she has done in this game. Now that is a bit freaky. If I were a friend of hers, I know I would never be able trust her after watching her play this game." Like Tobor's comment above, I think you're assuming her friends wouldn't trust her. She may have explained to her parents that she may have to do things in the game that would be viewed less than desirable; play a part. And, her parents, once Ali was on the show, talked to Ali's friends to explain to them. Again, no way to know. Also fascinating about how she seems proud of herself in the game. Will showed the same emotion in his diary rooms and people loved it. I suppose it's a matter of charisma and whether that translates. With Ali, it doesn't. "I know some say the jury should put personal feelings aside but that isn't going to happen. Only thing Ali should be working for is getting to the F2 she can forget sitting herself up to win the big money, which would save her, and other people she use embarrassing moments like using how poor her BF is." As each day progresses, I think Ali realizes she's a long shot to win the big money. She may be annoying but she's certainly not oblivious to how she's viewed by her fellow HG's. For Ali, it will be up to her to win where as for a player like Jun, for example, it would be for her to lose. Seamonkey said, "I'm always interested in Erika.. when Ali goes too far, she sometimes just cannot support her.. this morning Ali said she wanted to make her own eggs, Jun asked why and Ali said she didn't want a fatty breakfast. Erika explained that what Jun had made was actually extremely low fat, so the pouting pageant princess grudgingly decided she'd deign to eat the eggs and ended up liking them. But she never misses a chance to slide in criticism of some sort. " LOL, well, all the HG's have complained that Jun makes fatty meals. They've just never said it to Jun's face. Heck, if Ali wants to make her own eggs, so what. LOL! Whew...sorry for the length! LOL! |
Misslibra | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:24 am     Wendo, if I was a friend of Ali's, after seeing her in action I wouldn't trust her as far as I could see her. And if Ali knows she is playing for 2nd then she needs not to over play her hand so hard in my opinion. Over playing meaning to continue to lie, back-stab, sympathy card, using the hell out of people. She can tone it down some now she is sitting pretty for 2nd. Her comment didn't rile me up but I bet her BF's family didn't appreciate her putting their business out of front street. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:27 am     GAME ......... it's a GAME. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:29 am     Wendo I want to like Ali- I really do- but there is a coldness and cruelty about her that I just can't stomach. I admire many of the things she has done to be where she is but I just can't go that last step to full support- I just find something lacking there. The way she is handling the home stretch she lost me. |
Misunderstood | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:33 am     I'm coming out of lurk mode to say that this is absolutely the worst season of BB. I waited on pins and needles for a year for this? I don't watch my feeds any longer and tonight's show made my stomach churn... I say just give Allison the grand prize for all her(multiple personalities) acting and alligator tears and give Rob second prize for not actually emploding(yet) and managing to have some skin left on his nose. Dragging this show out for 2 more episodes? please... I'm counting the days for survivor to begin so I can rid my brain of BB4. Yell at me if you like, but ask yourself if this BB even has personality or game? |
Tobor7 | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:37 am     Wendo... a few too many cups of coffee today? LOL You want me to print your post out for the wife? I'm not really sure... if it says why you like Ali? I mean, without comparing her to other HGs... is there a case for Ali to be likable? Likable to a viewer? Like what are her best qualities... the ones that you maybe can see in this limited setting? Anybody? |
Misslibra | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:39 am     I don't dislike Ali, she is playing the game the way she thinks she needs to, even though I don't agree with a lot of things she have done in the game. I just hope she don't have a break down when she gets to the end and the jury gives her second place. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:44 am     Miss, I said long shot to win the money. That doesn't mean I think she should give up playing altogether. LOL! Ali will really have to earn 1st place whereas the others would not; by that I mean, earn votes from the jury. If she over plays, she over plays. And she may lose because of it. Regarding her boyfriend and his families business; well, he obviously signed the disclosure agreement since he's even been interviewed on the show...twice. LOL! If you're willing to sign the disclosure form, you should be aware that anything and everything may be said. *shrug* ***edited to add: About Ali and trusting her after watching her on BB and you were her friend. If I were Ali's friend, I wouldn't base my friendship on how she's played the game because she's in a game with no rules; a game where she may have to lie, betray, and manipulate. It's a contrived situation and I wouldn't use it to decide whether or not I would remain friends with someone. JMO. Clio, LOL, exactly! (Ps. Loved your comment in the other thread about no camera on Dave's house. LOL!) Meggie, hey, you can't like 'em all. Just like people you meet in real life, some you'll like and some you won't. As far as coldness and cruelty, well, I would agree about coldness to the extent that she's extremely focused on getting to the end. She's clearly not in the house to make friends. As far as cruelty, well, that's subjective. Personally, I haven't found anything she's done necessarily cruel. Things I wouldn't do, sure, but not cruel. I believe if she actually were cruel, she'd be out of the game by now. Misunderstood, well, you can't please all people all of the time. However, I've enjoyed this year. It won't rate as my favorite season, but I've enjoyed it nonetheless. Sorry you haven't. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:46 am     Tobor, I like Ali because she entertains me. There ya go! Miss, we'll see for sure, eh. I don't know if Ali would have a breakdown. With her skating and pageant experience, I'm sure she's had experience with rejection. But, we'll see soon if she makes the F2! |
Misslibra | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:49 am     Oh darn, Ali wont be having a breaking down with second place... I so wishing to see that. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:50 am     Miss, I added this above, but I'll post it separately. About Ali and trusting her after watching her on BB and you were her friend. If I were Ali's friend, I wouldn't base my friendship on how she's played the game because she's in a game with no rules; a game where she may have to lie, betray, and manipulate. It's a contrived situation and I wouldn't use it to decide whether or not I would remain friends with someone. JMO. |
Luvtrash | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:54 am     Steveh, you asked "Oh wait, according to you, that means Ali and Jee have an alliance too?" Where have you been??? Don't you know they all have an alliance with each other? No one will be voted out ever again and BB will eventually have to go in an forcefully remove them because none of them will be able to break their honorable vows! |
Ric_Munoz | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:55 am     Misunderstood has it right...this is, by far, the worst of the four BB seasons. With (very few) exceptions, this has been a ghastly and revolting cast. This better be the last we ever see of that fiasco Ex-Factor; it's been nothing less than a crashing bore and a dismal failure. It's going to be a mighty long wait til July and the unveiling of BB5. |
Misslibra | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:14 am     Sorry Wendo but I wouldn't be able to trust her. Justin said she can't be trusted, and coming from Justin and the type of guy he is compared to Robert I believe him. Justin knew her outside the game. And so far what Justin said about her is true. Ali has proved his point so far. When a person plays the way Ali have and get so much joy out of lying and back stabbing other's... I mean the girl have showed no remorse just cold with her stuff, some of that have to be the real Ali. Of course this is just my opinion. Come on Wendo admit it, that was tacky of Ali to put her BF's financial situation on national TV. I'm willing to bet his whole family didn't sign releases. The HG's could probably give a rats behind about how poor Donny's family is. Moves like this she makes that is not even necessary, can't see how her exposing this info makes her game any better. She is sitting pretty now, that move just made her look tacky and desperate, and right now she isn't in a bad position to be feeling so deperate. |
Mkcantjump | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 02:27 am     Jun is also my very favorite but I cannot hate Ali for playing her game. It is fasinating to me to watch one after another HG dismiss her as a young, possibly cheap, bimbo. No, Ali is a great game player, perhaps one of the best. She explained on the show that she was playing on Erika's sympathy with the tears. She knows the same thing would not have worked with Jun. For Jun, she probably has another specially designed tactic. I think she approaches each HG on a differant level. She is not one demensional as other winners have been. Will she win? I doubt it but CBS should hire her and give her - her own show. This girl has played the game 24/7 since she first walked in the door and began crying. I really want Jun to win because Jun hardly smiles and I love watching her face light up but I will always think of Ali as the ultimate player. Much better than Roddy or Dani and alot more devious. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 04:08 am     Jun is my choice to win and I am enjoying Ali to the hilt! She is giving us some good entertainment. No way did Erika buy Ali's tears.........NEVER. Ali's rap was ludicrous. Erika's body language and tone of voice indicated it was all she could do to offer some emtpty words of support. Now the big question is........will Jun put Erika up when Ali vetos herself? |
Bronxie | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 05:04 am     What a thread! But here's another thought from left field. I think what Ali wants more than the money is the fame. She wants to be a working actress, and has used this opportunty to demonstrate all facets of her dramatic ability...just in case some manager or casting director has been, or will be, contacted to view her tapes. And when comparing her to the typical Hollywood crowd ("look at me", "I'm the best", "See my smile, hear my laugh, I cry real tears, I've got a great bod") .. she fits right in. |
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