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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Would you want Dana teaching your kids?: Archive through July 30, 2003

Costacat

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 07:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, and those who won't be named include those whose names begin with M and end with S???? <snicker>

I think I'm glad that that little expression is one of the few that hasn't come outta Dana's lovely mouth (the one that she herself just called "big").

Jhezzie

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 07:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"NY attitude?" Would that be different than, like, L.A., dude or like, dudette?:)

Max

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 07:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is definitely a difference in social approach between the west and east coasts.

IN GENERAL:

West coast folks are more worried about being nice, smoothing over the rough spots, and generally having a good time first and foremost. Folks from the west coast will usually act nice and polite to your face, even if they think you are an idiot.

East coast folks are MUCH more direct and much less worried about being nice. They are more concerned with getting their feelings and thoughts out on the table. They are generally more confrontational in the sense that if they think you are an idiot, they will let you know it fairly quickly. Because they are so much more direct and open in this regard, they are more likely to get frustration and anger out of their system and move on.

DISCLAIMER: This is based on my experience only. These are, as stated, generalizations -- there are exceptions on both sides. And, as Dennis Miller would say, this is just my opinion and, hey, I could be wrong! :)

P.S. I prefer the more direct approach often seen in east coast folks, even though I've spent my life on the west coast. I'd rather deal with someone who is being open about what they are feeling, get it discussed and over with, and move on. :)

Bluerose

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dana wouldn't be good around children, period. She reminds me of someone on speed.Both her and Robert do.

Twiggyish

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
North east coast.

I like a direct approach, but I think it's going to get Dana in trouble. She needs to be less confrontational with them.

Costacat

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Max pretty much described it (and this time Costacat isn't secretly thinking "idiot!"). Although we tend to be direct our here, we are, like, totally laid back, like, y'know? I mean, I live in paradise, and it's supposed to be all pretty and nice and sweet and sunny and never rainy and blue skies and butterflys, like, y'know? And totally, we like, don't really ever dis anyone, like, y'know? We do a damn good job of muttering under our breath, though, y'know!

<ALL IN FUN!!!!>

P.S. Interestingly, there is a vast difference in management of east vs west companies. Having recently worked for an eastern (DC area) company, I have to admit that I much prefer the west coast's management style. Much more open, more communicative, more touchy feely (without actually being touchy feely, cause like y'know there's that sexual harrassment thing).

Jpgramma

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Boston is East Coast. I'm in Boston. Like Jack, I believe in civility. Honest can be done in a civil and unoffensive manner. honestly.

Ark

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 08:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wouldn't let Dana near my kids as a Karate instructor or any other kind of instructor. She has little discipline or self control, two things that most people try to teach their kids at a young age. I remember Dana telling a story about spreading peanut butter and other foods all over the walls when she was about 8. That's a behavior that she should have outgrown by age four. If I found that my child was in a class with a teacher as undisciplined or foul mouthed at Dana, I would definitely remove my child from the class and let her boss know what my concerns were. If she lost her job because of it, too bad. If you want to work with kids, there are certain standards that you need to live up to in order to keep your job.

Maris, do you have kids?

Maris

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 08:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ark, I am the parent of a very well adjusted and happy child who is a straight A student and has a heart of gold.

I think it is a bit of a stretch to assume that because Dana talks trash in the house (along with everyone else) she starts her karate class with Listen you MF'ers put your F'n belts on now or I will smash your faces. Just as I cant imagine that Jack would tell a fellow FBI agent she is thinking with her panties.

I have been a birthday parties at Tiger Shulman karate schools. These are not what you think. It is a place where parents take their kids on saturday morning for an hour to have some fun. The kids go and have a good time. There is no rush in getting the belts. you pay your membership and that is that. The people are very nice and most of them are pretty young.

I would let Dana teach my kid karate anytime but then again, I am just a New Yorker and I dont find her nearly as offensive as some. She makes me laugh and she entertains me.

As I said, I wouldnt do background checks on my karate instructors I would be more interested in the actual teachers who have my kid from 9-3 everyday not someone who has my kid for one hour a week. That is just my opinion.

Chy

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 08:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Excuse me, all. But are you even sure that Dana teaches karate? Every where I've been, her bio only say "karate school manager". Her last name is not the same with that one instructor listed on tsk site who also name Dana. "Our" Dana is a Varela from Quenns, correct? Not Eldrige(sp?) from PA.

Max

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 08:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd let Dana teach Maris' kid.

Seriously, I wouldn't hold Dana's BB4 behavior against her when it came to deciding whether or not she was qualified to teach karate. Personally, I'd hate to be scrutinized and judged in a similar situation. Hard to tell how I'd react to the stress and boredom. :)

Bluerose

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 08:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd have the woman drug tested before she got near a child, any child.

Ark

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Congrats on your straight A student, that's great Maris. I just asked because I was much more liberal in my views before I had kids. Once I had kids, I started expecting everyone that I exposed them to to live up to a certain moral standard. I was shocked to read that any NY kid can here F***er or MFer bandied about on the street on a daily basis. I've lived in several towns in several states and I can honestly say that I rarely heard a curse word in an area frequented by children and grandmothers. I'm not sure that's something I could or would want to get used to.

Maris

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good thing you dont live in NY then. I dont expect people to live up to my moral standards. I have standards which I pass on to my child but I dont demand or expect others to comply with my views. I also dont consider pot smoking a morality issue. If one raises a child properly the child will make a determination for themselves as to what is appropriate, based on their teachings at home.

Costacat

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, Chy has a good point. I've not seen anything that specifically says she's an instructor -- even the CBS site says she's a "manager." And didn't someone say she was not black belt at all? I would think you'd want a black belt (or whatever they are) to teach.

Ark

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't say that I expect everyone to live up to my moral standards, just people that I choose to exposed my kids to. It's hard to teach a kid not to curse or use drugs at home and then expose them to so called "role models" that do those exact things. It's kind of like saying "Do as I say, not as I do". Nine times out of then, that isn't going to work.

Dana's drug use isn't that big of an issue with me. I assume that she isn't smoking a doobie during class or coming to work stoned so she really wouldn't be exposing my kids to that. My problems with her have more to do with her maturity level, self discipline & control. I don't believe that you can swear like a sailor and just turn it off when you want to. I don't believe that you can be vengeful in one area of your life and turn that off in all other areas. She's just not the type of person I would willingly expose my kids to.

Costacat

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bellinis!!!!

Bluerose

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't believe I'm agreeing with Maris on anything but I don't expect people to live up to my standards either and have no use for people who do. It's like people insisting that sports and rock stars set an example. They are there to entertain, not be roll models for your children no matter what you might think. You cannot protect your kids from bad words their entire childhood. You can tell them certain words are wrong but they will hear them, no matter where you live. However, I think Dana is just too nasty mean to be around anyone, let alone children. I'm probably wrong but she looks like she needs a fix.

Chy

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm already stuck with a sis-in-law who talks and acts like Dana. I'm almost happy my junkie pc could not take the lifefeeds. From what I've read here and other sites, I'm pretty sure I would never pick Dana for a friend. Though I shall never have to worry about that either!

Let's be fair here. Since Dana is not putting herself out there to win my friendship, I won't wonder if I'd ever want to be her friend. By this same logic, why should you all even discuss about your desire for her to be your child's instructor before it's even certain that, Dana is teaching karate?

Could some one please show me solid proof about Dana being a karate teacher?

Ryn

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Max - what about us folks in the middle??? lol

Now I am not defending Dana - well - ok - I am a little but she is not going to be this years WILL for me - no way no how.....

There are A LOT of people that are teachers who can seperate their work from their non-work life. Heck, this applies to most people.

But - I would say after having this side of Dana I would not want her working with my children. With other adults? Hey they can take care of themselves.

Having said that, I am 100% sure that my children are exposed to people every day that I would not let them around if I knew how they acted when they were out of the public eye.

What surpises me about Dana is that she has said she was such a huge BB fan before going into the house, yet she seems unconcerned about what she says with a few exceptions. I did hear her self-censor herself a day or two ago because she didn't want to say something bad that might go out on the net.

Ryn

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chy - she manages a Karate School (link at the beginning of this thread) - I guess she might not teach - but chances are she does both (teaches and manages).

Chy

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryn, I did follow the link. It was the instructor profile over there which started me thinking.
That school seems big enough an operation to have a whole separate talents for business and the actuall teaching duties.

Thanks for your time though.

Fluff

Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 07:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dana is crazy.

Bariztr

Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 08:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe that Dana not only is the school manager but also holds a green belt, which depending on the system denotes someone who is about midway to their sho dan or first degree blackbelt.

I would be extremely surprised that someone who is holding such a rank would be teaching a kids class or any class. Teaching martial arts to kids, as I do, is something that is usually given to a higher ranked student, nothing below a brown belt or the equivalent of a 1st or 2nd Kyu holder.
If a brown belt were to teach a kids class it should be under the supervision of a black belt.

If she were to teach a class i think the parents need to watch the class and make the decision if she is the right teacher for their kids. Unless her personal life is part of the class it really is irrelevant. Although having seen her work on the bag I am not impressed by her "rank".

Watching2

Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bariztr- I totally agree with you. Anyone less than a black belt in my son's school would be supervised. I'm sure it's that way in most schools. And you're right, I know a lot of small kids who have higher than green belts. My son was close to getting one when he quit at age 12 and he had only taken karate for a year. Also, there was always a place on the side where parents could stay and watch the class. Lots of really little tykes start out at age 4 or so and parents aren't always ready to just drop them off someplace at that age. For me it was great. I took kickboxing on one side of the dojo while my son took karate on the other and sometimes during our exercises, our paths would cross.

Oh and by the way, I am in NY STATE and I think you need to distinguish NYC from the rest of the state. I live in western NY in a pretty large city, but we're nothing like NYC folks. You can drive 15 mi. and be in farm country here, so let's not generalize on all NYrs. :)