Special K, acid, ecstacy and cocaine - who used what??
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Kaili

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fáilte ar ais! Tá mé ceart go leor.

*I am soooo cheating, using an Irish-Gaelic translator :) - but the Éireann go Brách I did understand all by myself.

Irish

Bohawkins

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You had me at Failte! (to borrow from Tom Cruise).

I must tell you that only my grandparents still speak any Gaelic at all... but now the rage is still to learn enough so that the language is preserved. It's fun and the more you learn the more natural it seems (maybe awakening some old DNA imprints).

Kaili

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I had a great time in Ireland with the roadsigns, and the people singing and fiddling away. If I were to learn a language, I honestly think I would rather learn a less known one than Spanish or French (though I know bits of both). In high school I took Russian instead- thought the alphabet was kinda cool. Always wanted to learn Latin too.

Sunshyne4u

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 12:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert sober for over a year???? Then why is he drinking beer/alcohol in the house?

I got slammed about 40 posts back when I described Rob's physical illness (he has claimed to be feeling ill at least three times so far) as probable alcohol withdrawl as he is used to drinking. HE IS DRINKING in the house. Anyone who is a recovering alcoholic tries NOT to have booze or the cravings start up again. I theorize that this MAY be what is going on.

Just a theory!!

Kalekona

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 01:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He is NOT drinking in the house and neither did Michelle, they had something non-alcholoic for both of them

He has allergies, as been on pb&j twice in 3 weeks, i really wonder why he's sick.

your theory is wrong.
he has been sober for a year and a half. Being with others while they are drinking can be hard but he's doing just great.

And his symptoms are not close to DT's or withdrawl.

Why is it so important for so many people to make this guy out to be a drunk and a drug abuser? What's next rapist? Child molester?

Sunshyne4u

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 02:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 02:26 pm FROM LIVE FEEDS-------Everyone is dispursed thoughout the house ...general chit chat...did catch Dana and Jun in HOH with Dana saying that she thought she had it and would have taken Jun....

Most everyone is rehashing about the competition how everyone looked (funny) and Burger King...Jee and Robert at Kitchen table drinking the sparkling wine....finishing the bottle.....(lol)...talk in living room (jack/dave/erica) about parties/playboy....

Jee talking now about not wanting to win....because he would have wanted to eat with either Justin or Robert and that would look foolish on national tv....(justin or robert said that they didn't either...)

Now discussion about the Ca sparkling wine vs. Champaign.....Jee keeps saying "it's champaign tho...right? ...what the cost? ...."... now about 'little blue pills" and that Robert is going to fed-x them to jee and justin....

Quick FOTH...and then back to Jee-3....jee talking about 'I'll show you getting crazy tonight"....(LOL - he sounds so immature!)..
LATER ON THE SAME DAY---
I've been watching the inside group for a while now. Absolutely nothing exciting going on. Playing cards, Robert and Jee teaching the group how to say "gummy bear" in spanish and korean.

Now, filling out BK lunch orders for tomorrow.

Beers just arrived in the storage room, but no one has gone to get them. They may do a drinking game (ed: I hope so, cuz this is pretty boring!).

Wait, they just got the beers (wine coolers too).
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ONCE again...Robert is drinking in the house....NOT TO THE POINT OF drunkeness though. HENCE the withdrawl symptoms. I know alcoholics who feel they are 'going without' if they dont drink hard liquor. The occl wine is okay <wink wink> The DTs would not be occurring unless someone is used to drinking HUGE amounts of alcohol then has it withdrawn.(I never said nothing about DTs previously, you have, not I) Robert's symptoms are exactly the same as any withdrawl whether it is caffeine, cigarettes or booze...NAUSEA, feeling lightheaded and headachey.3

But let's not argue about it. Dont take my opinion as fact. The Live feeds has caught him a few times...(unless they all were mistaken of course)

Omegabubbles

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 02:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Calm down Kale, everyone in there has been slammed. They called Scott nuts, Amanda a rather loose woman, Dave crazy, Jee was pictured as a power mad lunitic when he had HOH, Ali who is single kissed 2 guys and she was called a HO, Need I say what almost everyone thinks of Dana? Lets not forget that Nate is probably gay(not). Jun is possibly fat, and Michelle was considered rather dumb. As for Robert, people don't like him because he talks bad about Erica and even worse about women in general. What ever his nose problem is, it's disgusting to see on live feeds night after night. There are many pictures of him picking his nose all over the internet. He does do this.

C1mag

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 02:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That isn't allergies. He'd be sneezing if it were allergies. I haven't heard him sneeze once. When he starts twitching he even sticks his fingers in his teeth and picks them. Watch his routine, sometimes it's repetitive. He goes up the ridge of his nose slowly, goes to the outside of the nostrils and then down to his mouth then opens it and picks at his teeth all the while sniffing as if he has a desire to have some substance in that nasal cavity. Coke ( not the drink) causes a numbness around the mouth and gum area and he may be missing that feeling so he's feeling for it. All signs point to it being substance related. It' is most definitely a tick or twitch non related to allergies. I lean towards it being some type of withdrawl brought on by a craving. One thing for sure is that I'd be asking him what is up with all the movement and sniffing. It's too obvious not to notice it. I've yet to hear him personally say it was allergies and if he did claim it was allergies it's the first time I've heard of allergies causing you to pick at your teeth and lips and I still say that if it were that bad of an allergy it's time to get some sort of med to end that tick real fast. For the record anything Rob claims in general I would always question. He's got LIAR written all over his face. I've even heard him tell Erika that their past problems were all his fault but to the guys he swears she was the one who caused their past problems. Once again.... Proven LIAR!

Is he a drunk and and drug abuser? Well lets see... He is an Alcoholic. Isn't that a drunk? Just because you are in AA and not drinking doesn't change the fact that you will always be a drunk. So yeah he's a drunk and if there is a shred of honesty in the man he will tell you that as well. Is he a drug abuser? Well, he bragged to a 21 year old sexually healthy kid that he could hook him up with some viagra so he could "f" some sl!ts. Sounds to me like a drug abuser when he is giving out drugs to someone who doesn't need them and a drug that can be very dangerous to ones health. If he's advocating handing out Viagra likes it's candy then chances are he has quite a bit of fun with ( sniff, sniff) illegal drugs as well.

Frogichik

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 04:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk, I do agree that there is room for both and that's why I love this board. I do try to stray away from the heavy debate threads though. My life has enough drama as it is and I come he for escape. Ok, so I am addicted, whatever! <wink>

Squaredsc

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 06:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
isn't sparkling wine a non-alcoholic drink? i also thought they had non-alcoholic beer for him and michelle?

C1mag

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 06:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I will say this... I personally have never seen the man drink in the house. However, I try to avoid him when he's on the feeds so maybe I missed it.

Justareader

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 06:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The have odouls (non alcoholic beer) and sparkling juice provided for the HG's - not defending rob cause I don't like him, but trying to be fair. I watch the feeds late on Wednesdays and he is usually drinking odouls or bottled juices (appear to be wine coolers but has been stated by HG's that it is sparkling juice)

Laisey

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 06:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Square, sparkling wine is alcoholic. Champaign is a sparkling wine (sparkling = bubbles). There is sparkling cider (for one example) that non-drinkers will drink on occasions when others are drinking champaign.

Squaredsc

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 06:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ok thx laisey and justareader. just wanted some clarification.

Outlawout

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 06:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't stand Rob and would love nothing better than to have even more reason to think he's a sleeze, but it's just silly to use live feeds posts as "evidence". The posters can't tell the difference between alcoholic or non-alcoholic drinks. I know many recovering alcoholics (truly recovering, not these wine and beer only people someone mentioned) who drink ODouls or sparkling grape juice that looks exactly like wine and is packaged in a wine bottle, especiallly on occasions like New Years. Ive heard the other guys worrying about whether BB sent Odouls "for Rob" many times. He's a in a 12 step progam,where they beleive in total abstinence. And Erika is familiar enough with his recovery program to have asked him the first week when he was going to do the 8th step on her (apologize for hurtful things done while drinking) I think Erika would FREAK if Rob were drinking at all. My feeling is that he hasn't been drinking. Maybe he has, but the feed posts referenced as support aren't convincing to me. The posters may have forgotten Rob is an alcoholic, and so when he is drinking something along with others they naturally include him in the group or describe what they think they are seeing him drink.

This is a silly argument but I couldn't resist. There's enough to hate Rob for. Why reach?

Laisey

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 07:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Now if someone would come up with a 12-step program for men who brag on TV about cheating on every woman they've ever been with, maybe I could think about finding something to like about him.

Squaredsc

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 07:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
as well as one for the "other woman" who knows good and damn well she's the "other woman".

Sasman

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 07:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1, I agree - Robert has a very obvious tick and should be taking meds for it. But it is hard to look at on the feeds and I usually turn him off when he's picking.

Sunshyne4u

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting....in Canada our dealcoholized beers and wine STILL have a SMALL amount of alcohol in them. For an alcoholic this is enough to start the cravings again. JUST THE SMELL of the booze from the other HGS drinking would cause cravings.

I know a fair amount of alc-ies thru the years. This isnt a theory.

People with alcohol problems will try anything to make their problem seem less severe....even to the point of SAYING they arent drinking yet topping up their pop/sparkling fruit juice with booze so it isnt detected.

HECK, our Premier of BC (Canada) even socked back 16oz(18oz?) of pure alcohol in less than six hours and thought he was "fine to drive home". The hosts thought he was drinking water the last few hours......looks like it was more martinis but poured into a water glass to fool??

Crossfire

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 04:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He shoulda stayed home and enjoyed some hometown BCBud. Less dangerous.

Costacat

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 04:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just to clarify... sparkling wine is similar to champagne (and occasionally is called California's answer to champagne). To be called "champagne," the wine *must* be produced in the region of France known as Champaign, and produced in the methode champenoise.

You'll find many sparkling wines labeled "method champenoise". This means that they are made the same way that champagne is made, but they are not made *in* Champagne.

For you trivia minded folk, I think Dom Perignon was actually a French monk and legend has it he first created champagne (wine with bubbles) by accident. I think what really happened is that he devised the method to *produce* champagne by introducing the second fermenting (creating bubbles).

Costacat

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Forgot to add (on the subject of methode champenois)...

BELLINIS!!!!

Bluerose

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 04:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LoL

Sunshyne4u

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 06:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL TRIVIA!! The yeast used to ferment is also a special type. I have made 'at home' champagne (the people who built my house were from Barvaria and planted grapes) and you need the right kind of yeast or it is FLAT!!

OH YEAH......I had forgotten about Rob and his constant Bellini talk

Bellini...

3 ounces Champagne
1 ounce Peach Schnapps
1 dash Grenadine
Pour into a champagne glass.


ymmmmmmmm

Nexell2

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That sounds good.

Outlawout

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, yeah, I'll agree that drinking non-alcoholic drinks isn't the greatest choice for his recovery, but the question wasn't whether or not Rob has "good sobriety", as they say around the tables. The twelve step programs also recommend developing humility and doing a fearless and searching moral inventory, and Rob doesn't appear to be practicing either of those principles. He's definitely what they'd call a "dry drunk" rather than someone who is seriously sober.

But as they say, If you dry out someone who was an a**hole while drunk, all you get is a sober a**hole.


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