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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Alison & Jun are making me embarrassed to be female!: Archive through September 05, 2003

Reichenfan8

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
avery, erika's comment wasnt said in the diary room, it was said in the backyard. And it' wasn't said the first week, it was said the second week, after jee nominated her. However, even if it was said in the diary and said a week earlier, that wouldnt make a difference in my book.

im not saying that ali and jun talking crap about erika is acceptable, im just saying that erika isnt a saint herself, and that was the piece of evidence that came to mind first.

and yes, i might be trying to be a little p.c., but i take a lot more offense from any sort of racial slur than i would from a remark like "••••." personally, racial slurs would never ever some out of my mouth, no matter the situation, so that is why i was totally put off by that.

but again, i'm just trying to say that all three girls have, at some point during this game, said things that i dont find acceptable.

Texasdeb

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hate for Ali - Any of the other 3!

Reichenfan8

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
avery, erika's comment wasnt said in the diary room, it was said in the backyard. And it' wasn't said the first week, it was said the second week, after jee nominated her. However, even if it was said in the diary and said a week earlier, that wouldnt make a difference in my book.

im not saying that ali and jun talking crap about erika is acceptable, im just saying that erika isnt a saint herself, and that was the piece of evidence that came to mind first.

and yes, i might be trying to be a little p.c., but i take a lot more offense from any sort of racial slur than i would from a remark like "sl**" personally, racial slurs would never ever some out of my mouth, no matter the situation, so that is why i was totally put off by that.

but again, i'm just trying to say that all three girls have, at some point during this game, said things that i dont find acceptable.

Mkcantjump

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You can clean Erika's comments up all you want but she still said them about Jee. Jun is a differant story, she was wrong also but she is also Korean. Calling down someones heritage is far worse than anything the others have said. Can you imagine if Jee were an African American? The whole show would have been off the air real fast.

Reichenfan8

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
oops, i accidentally posted twice!

caycaye, i didn't watch the feeds of when erika said that, but i did read them, so i do know that it was edited to look worse than it was portrayed on tv. and i know she's not the only one to have said such things. but still, im just trying to make the point that erika hasn't gone without saying something rude herself, much like everyone else in the house has.

Misslibra

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother and Fabnsab, I agree with your comments 100%. :)

Erika has definitely showed more class compared to the last two females left in the game.IMO

Ali and Jun remind me of the two evil step sister's at times.

Friktion

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina - the name of the thread refers to the backstabbing comments Ali and Jun are making about Erika behind her back - NOT kissing up to the HOH.

Caycaye

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Reichenfan8< I do see where you are coming from. That is true, about all of the houseguests, but when I SAW the incident in question when it happened, and what went on before and after it...it was edited TOTALLY devoid of the true way it happened. I was VERY angry when I saw that tv show, because it was done in jest and a COMPLETE repeat of Jun's tirade on Jee from 5 minutes before. I didn't care about Erika one way or the other at that time, but it was wrong enough of CBS editing to make me root for the underdog, Erika.

Friktion

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BTW, I'm not going to comment on what Erika says on the live feeds - I don't get them and only read the live feeds off this site, so I don't think I can comment. However, the only ugly moment I've seen (on TV) or heard about with Erika was the Jee-bashing moment. Ugly, yes - but she was upset about the "personal" comments Jee made that "she made everybody uncomfortable" and -what did he say actually? - that everybody wanted her out? Anyway, it WAS very hurtful and personal and I haven't heard or read any other racist remarks from Erika since then. So I'm assuming that one outburst was uncharacteristic - she usually shows much more class. Anyway, I won't defend the remarks - I wouldn't say anything like that no matter what the cause. I just think she's not in the same league as the other two.

Mkcantjump

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Listen. At this point it really doesn't matter. Erika's entire comment was recorded for posterity and quoted in TV guide to boot, and probably other places. If Erika wins, the entire Korean community should protest and probably will. No, I'm certainly not a Jee fan but you just can't get away with this kind of thing.

Reichenfan8

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
caycaye, i get where you're coming from too. :)

i know anytime i see something shown totally out of context or portrayed in a much more negative light then that in which it actually took place, i get upset too.

Amari

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Getting back to the title of this thread - I'm female and I like to know why in the world should I be ashamed of being female because of something 2 people who are of the same gender did? Do many men feel ashamed of their whole gender because Robert referred to the female HG's as wh**es, sluts, and b**tches?

Sunshyne4u

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika is an actress. She will be to say after the show that her antiKorean comments were just "acting the part" that was expected of her at the time.
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Erika is no saint. She has been playing both Jun and Ali. Frankly, they are all playing each other!! ROTFL

I dont feel that the rantings of Jun/ Ali are truly malicious. They are just saying what each thinks the other wants to hear.
In the beginning of the show I agree that Jun and Ali made some inappropriate comments about Erika's gigantic fake boobs, and I think we all agreed with what they said. Someone as tall and skinny as Erika looks like a stripper with those silcon balls put in her chest. It isnt healthy to do, and I often wonder WHY!! do it and get them OBSCENELY big>?? You lose credibility as a person, imho.

Gina8642

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, what do making backstabbing comments about people behind their backs have to do with being female? Let's see, I've heard David make them, Jack make them, Nathan make them, Justin make them, Jee make them, Robert make them.

Never heard Scott say anything - of course I didn't start watching until after he was gone.

So, what exactly does this behavior have to do with a person's sex again?

Very offensive to try to say only a female would do this - or maybe the point is that's it's only offensive when females do this, and it's ok for males? Wait - that's offensive too!

Mkcantjump

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You are so right Gina.

Seamonkey

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 07:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No, I don't consider Erika to be classy.. in fact she overacts to the cameras all the time in a most annoying way.

Cassandra was classy. Not Erika. Gigantic fake boobs are not classy.

She also has a mouth on her.

Tonight's show doesn't prove a thing about who said what first.. EDITING, remember??

But none of them makes me ashamed to be a woman..

Misslibra

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Friktion I agree with you about Erika's comment.

Mkcantjump, No racist comments are excusable in my opinion, but I have news for you, there have been many comments by all the HG's that can be considered racist. So I guess there will be a lot of protesting going on who ever wins.

The Korean community have not been the only ones insulted in the house. The disable have been insulted, Italians, African Americans the list goes on. You should write CBS and asked them to air all the sexist, racist, insulting comments made by all the HG's.

And then TV guide can jeer them all in one big swoop. Then you can be equally angry at them all as you are at Erika's comment. And as far as I'm concerned just because the other HG's comments weren't aired or quoted in TV guide does not make them any less hurtful then Erika's comment.

Whenever I see someone continually bringing up Erika's comment about Jee, it shows to me that they dislike the woman and that is the only bad thing they can think of to say bad about her.

I believe after the show Erika will apologize to Jee for the comment. Jee has made some nasty comments about Erika too, so maybe he will apologize to her as well, and you know what, I'll bet they both accept each other's apology and move on. Instead of beating the same dead horse over and over again. :)

There aren't any saints walking around on this earth that I know of. Have not met one yet. I don't like Ali's and Jun's catty behavior either. But they are who they are in this game. As a female I think I'm more frustrated then embarrassed, because females seem to be the most catty. I guess it's our nature, but I don't like that part about us. I think it holds us back in a game like this.

Dawner

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
amen, misslibra

Saggkl

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ditto Misslibra

Polypody

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bravo, Misslibra

Mkcantjump

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't like or dislike Erika, or any of the remaining HGs. To me, they are simply the remaining 4. My opinion still stands. I believe Erika will live to regret her Jee comments big time. If I were her I might even be a little scared. Maybe someone hearing her comments took more than a little offense, Just something to think about.

Friktion

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess you said it a lot better than I did, MissLibra. For the record, I also think Robert's an embarrassment to all men. (Ducking and running for cover)

R151996

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 08:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Much of Jun and Ali's venting against Erika has been game-playing. Excessive--yes, but within the context of the game.

One valid point that Ali and Jun have--neither of their exes openly asked them out on a date after the show like Robert has done to Erika.

Nexell2

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Agreed R1

Misslibra

Friday, September 05, 2003 - 09:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One valid point that Ali and Jun have--neither of their exes openly asked them out on a date after the show like Robert has done to Erika.

Ummm... don't understand your point could you please explain?