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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Can Justin survive another week?: Archive through August 15, 2003

Darkhorse19

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Justin going to get evicted. Jee told him he'll vote to evict Robert. Jun will go with Jee and Ally and Justin has a secret alliance. Does anyone agree with me?

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 02:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert so far is playing as bad a post nomination strategy I have ever seen.
He is giving Allison no reason to have him stay (I'll vote for you in the finals if no other J3 here! - well that makes her want to kick out Justin and Jee earlier too, no?).
He is solidfying Jun's vote against him OR putting her in a much better negotiating position with Jack & Erika (well, if you want out, you must promise me that Jack doesn't nominate me next week if he is HoH).
He is letting Justin play it cool.
He is likely making Jee nervous; he'd still like to have room to maneuver with Jun for his own safety.
DUMB DUMB DUMB

Kalekona

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know he said he was alright with going, could this be his way to insure that he goes, thus saving Justin?

Ark

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 03:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kalekona, I was wondering if that was his ploy too. It's hard to believe that anyone in this game could be a stupid as he is appearing to be.

Denecee

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 03:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's a good possibility that Justin will not go.
senario #1: Nobody gets the veto, Jack is the only solid vote against Justin, other 3 vote Robert out.

senario #2: Justin gets veto and uses it thus saving himself from being evicted.

senario #3: Robert gets veto, saves himself and Erika puts up Jee,Ali or Jun and if it's Ali that gets put up she will probably be evicted.

Misslibra

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 03:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Justin will still be there and Robert will be evicted.

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My take is that if Justin or Allison don't get POV (meaning that Justin is still up), and Jack and Erika want Justin to go, they will make a deal with Jun for her vote to oust Justin.
So under this thought, the odds still slightly favor Justin's ouster.
However, Justin will bide his time; if he is still up, I would expect him to bargain with Jun as well.
If Jun plays her cards right, she should be safe from nomination next week.

Puzzled

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 03:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It must be killing Robert that he was put up by Erika.

Ah, the mighty Robert, brought down by his ex.

Xarph

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Has Robert done anything, any little thing - even the smallest little thing, to indicate that he is smart?

I see some smart people here fantasizing that Robert might be thinking this smart thing or that smart thing but I have never seen Robert realize any these fantasies.

Trinity63

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 03:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If they are smart they will bounce Justin's butt out of that house. He's too good of a player. And it's poor poor playing skills on their part of they don't bounce him.

Kellirippa

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 03:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does Ali actually have a "secret" alliance with Justin?? I really thought that they had just made a one time deal..

Bonzacat

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 03:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Xarph -- no, no evidence presented that would indicate brain power of any kind.

Wilsonatmd

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 03:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the only way Justin stays is if he wins the Veto and takes himself off. Jun is smart enough to know that Justin is more of a threat than Robert to win HOH comps (Robert has won 2 comps, but in at least one case, it was given to him-Jee basically threw the battleship grid Veto comp to him because he didn't want it) and Robert might be a person you can take to the finals and win against. Jack will definitely vote for Justin, so all he and Erika need is one of Jee,Jun, or Ali to vote for Justin and he's gone-Erika would eliminate him in the tiebreak. Jun I think is the person who can best be talked into it by reasoned analysis. But I will say this. If Justin does survive this week, I think he has a good shot of making the final two....

Seamonkey

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali and Justin have been alllied since the first week.

Today Jee and Robert asked her to join their alliance, guaranteed that Jun would be out of the program and their alliance

Jack and Erika are well aware that Ali is playing both sides and that she hates Jun because only she should be allowed to play both sides.

Hopefully, Justin will go this week.

Ali won't go, she's allied with everyone in some way or other.

Tdot

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see any way Justin will leave.

If he wins veto: He's safe.

If Rob wins veto: Jun or Ali goes up. Jee and Rob vote that girl out with whichever girl is voting.

If Jee wins veto: I'll bet he'll take one off - again, they'd vote out a girl.

If Jun, Ali or Jack win: Who knows, but I think they have reason enough to keep Justin.

Sure he's the strongest member of Jee3 but that's a reason to keep him. Jun, Ali and Jee are safe with him - Justin will carry them. I don't see Jun voting against him especially if Jee doesn't - they're together, no? Jun and Ali buy two weeks while they get rid of Jack and Erika.

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tdot
He goes if Erika and Jack make an alliance with Jun, if getting him off is that important to them

Tdot

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But why would Jun go against Jee?

Vros

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The only was Justin goes is if Robert gets taken off the block and Jee goes up. It's not going to happen. Erika just blew away 500k. All of Dana, Alison, and Jun's strategy since day one has revolved around getting other women out of the house so they can have the cute guys to themselves. Robert takes up way too much of Justin's time. Those girls are beside themselves with joy at the prospect of getting him out of there. Jun vote against Justin?! If you want to get Justin away from Jun you'll have to pry her cold, dead hands off him.

Zachsmom

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun does her own thing..she voted out Michelle and that was against Jee!

Guinevere

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why wouldn't Jee go up if Robert or Justin is vetoed? I thought part of the agreement he made with Erika was that he was willing to be a pawn, if it came to that (though I didn't understand that - why would Erika have to get Jee's agreement? It's not like he'd have any control over it one way or the other). I thought he'd also agreed not to use the veto if he got it. Maybe I misunderstood what I read?

In the same vein, I thought I read that Jun had extracted promises not to be put up when she left the cage. But maybe that didn't cover the possibility of being put up if someone was vetoed?

I think Justin will go, because more often than not, the original target does go, and usually unanimously, despite all the jockeying that goes on during the week. Also, I would think that the other players would take the opportunity to get rid of someone who is good in competitions, and might do well in the final two. It's getting to be the time that players should be thinking about the end game, I think.

Tdot

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think one of the big problems is what exactly was said in the cage. It's not clear how safe Jee and Jun are, especially if the veto is used...

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tdot
Has Jee indicated he prefers Robert to Justin?
And if she can bring Jee into the deal with Erika and Jack (they all promise if Jack, Jun or Jee -- hey, that's the new J3!) gets HoH next week, Allison and Justin are up next week; Jee then doesn't have to try for HoH.
There are 5 days until voting; plenty is going to happen before then

Lyn

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack and Erika need to win veto, take down Robert and put up Jee. Jun will vote Justin (saving her Jee) and so will Jack. Ali will vote Jee...and even if Robert votes Jee, Erika breaks the tie and dumps Justin.

This is about the only way they can be sure that Justin goes

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lyn, they know if they get Jun to agree to vote off Justin (we'll see what she bargains for) they can trust her, so that is another way they can be sure Justin goes

Lyn

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 04:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmm, hadn't thought of that - it's a good idea. But if I were J/E, I don't know if I would count on Jun...she's so unpredictible