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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Finally!! A Gutless Houseguest Plays The Tearful "Financial Need" Card: Archive through September 03, 2003

Sheilaree

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 05:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So Ali isn't poor please don't use the poor card again I am sick of it. I don't consider $130,000.00 being poor. I hope Jun wins over Ali, She doesn't deserve to win, I think maybe Erika,does because she hasn't been sneaky has Alison and Jun and Alison is the sneakiest.

Jan

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 05:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
oooohhhh Fruitbat...I really hope that doesn't happen. Do you think Erica will be the one to go today? I don't want it to happen but on the other hand it is perfect for Jun to do it.

Rob would, for sure, vote against Erica to save Jee. Even if Ali votes against Jee to keep Erica's final vote, Jun can still get E out as she has the tiebreaker.

If she does it, Jee has promised to have Jun's back and get rid of Ali. If she does not do it, she can't go for HOH and is at the mercy of the other 3. She has a better chance if Jee is there to go for HOH and protect her.

I think Jee would want to take Jun over Rob to the final 3

It has real potential as a gamewinning plan for Jun

Seamonkey

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Erika goes up today, only Jee and Ali can vote and I think they'd both want to keep Robert.

I think Jun would put up Erika in a real NY minute but she knows Jee and Robert must be split up and Jee will only be loyal to Robert. So for Jee to be marginally useful, Robert would have to go first, but then Jee would be the biggest threat to win.. HOH and to win if in F2. Jee must go.

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About Will considering using the Cancer card.. Ali has also considered same.. remember all the hoopla (well only if you watch feeds) when Ali suddenly found a lump in her armpit and Erika swarmed all over it and told her she must see the doctor. Ali then "revealed " that her mom has had lumps and in fact implied that when Ali came into the house, mom had a pending biopsy result, or maybe actually had something. But Ali hasn't brought up worrying about mom since then and never heard a word about what the doctor said to Ali. Jee did request a doctor in the DR for her.

Ali has used the following cards:

-- might have cancer
-- I'm poor
-- Donny's poor
-- Daddy's poor
-- I never knew I was poor until I met these shallow people and they hurt my feelings
-- Jack's rich
-- Jun is shallow
-- Jee is poor and an immigrant therefore he could get scholarships, while I have to get loans
-- Robert hates women (of course, Ali also hates other women)
-- Robert's family is rich
-- I don't know why <Robert/Dana/Nate/Jack> hate me
-- I had to give up my pageant career to come in the house
-- I'm terrified of Justin; I'm terrified of Donny
-- I still love Justin; I love Donny
-- Race card -- Donny's race -- Ali dates other races so she's better
-- Instant tears card
-- Student loan card


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Dad is a Divorce lawyer; he isn't in it for charity. Wife is a teacher and a coach.

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As for Ali's friends, what friends? When Erika and Jun and Dana talk about their girls, Ali doesn't..

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As for Ali cooking.. she seems to have a penchant for spilling, burning and forgetting.. the other day Jun asked Ali to set the timer on the microwave and start the cooking of the food that was in there and Ali just started the timer, but not the microwave.

And as for fatty cooking, of course they have to take the passive-aggressive approach and snark about but then devour the food or maybe just say something? Nah!


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Kaili

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 07:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I honestly didn't think Erika bought it when I watched that. They showed her face- to me, she looked at first like she was going to laugh. When she was making all those comments to console Alison, she never looked up, couldn't look her in the eye. Erika, I think, is playing Alison too. We just don't get to see into her head as much because she no longer has Jack there to talk about it with. That was when we heard Erika and Jack very clearly aware that Alison is a liar and that they don't like her.

I also am so annoyed with Alison at this point that I agree- she isn't fun to watch. Everytime I see her, I am beyond sickened. Honestly. And she reminds me of someone I know now and then- but I can't figure out who (only when she's playing nice and I think it's more her voice than anything else). I was groaning and nauseated luistening to her last night. Poor girl...those were the FAKEST ytears I have ever seen- I was laughing at her and her crying for about 5 seconds- then I was just disgusted.

BTW- I agree with Seamonkey- excellent assessment :)

Sheilaree

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 07:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison is poor little rich girl act.

Prisonerno6

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 07:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ijust about spit out my nachos when Ali said Donny is poor because, "he doesn't even have a car!"

I didn't hav a car until I got out of college, and that was a stripped down, manual transmission, no ari, no radio, get me where I need to go on a teacher's salary car. In the intervening 23 years, I've had exactly 2 other cars, one of them used. I never considered myself poor.

My parents had to put four kids thorugh college. My mother went back to college when I was two and my youngers brother one to get her teaching degree. Her teacher's salary put us all through college (no scholarships or loans), and then set my parents up for their retirement. They even helped ut with grad school for three of us. We never considered ourselves poor.

Four kids, two professional income family, and we all had clothes on our back, shoes on our feet, and food on the table. We traveled every summer, had great Chirstmases and birthdays, and only worked for extras. We never considered ourselves poor.

Poor just ain't what it used to be, I guess.

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 07:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo said: "Regarding her boyfriend and his families business; well, he obviously signed the disclosure agreement since he's even been interviewed on the show...twice. LOL! If you're willing to sign the disclosure form, you should be aware that anything and everything may be said. *shrug*." Amazing analysis Wendo. Because they signed a disclosure agreement, they should be prepared to have Alison chip away at their character and economic status. She's already put her relationship with Donny in peril because of her less than proper behavior toward the male players. Donny has been completely embarrassed by Alison. I'm sure he dreads attending school every time she opens her mouth.

Jdel

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 07:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
it may be a game that ali is playing but I think she had to have some practice out in the real world to be that good at lying, sneaking, back-stabbing, conniving, and changing horses mid stream. It just seems to come from her too naturally for me to believe that it isn't part of her normal personality outside the house.

do you think her friends are different than she is - I doubt that - and I'm sure they are cheering her on - though I'm also sure that they are jealous that they aren't the ones there in the spotlight.

So far all she's really done to be there this long is to hop to whoever is in power.

The only game move she made was when she had the HOH she played to get rid of dana instead of justin, who was a much stronger player. Dana saw through her, knew what she was doing and had no problem calling her (or anyone) out about it. So ali had to get her out before she exposed her as the two-faced lying witch that she is.

I thought it was great to see how worried ali was that jun might talk to someone when she was out of the house - what she really meant was hear what ali was really saying and doing.

I think its a shame that the stronger players got dumped first, leaving the weak, whiny, shallow, neurotic jerks to watch on the feeds and claim the money.

I'd love to have a feed at the other house - all the interesting people are there now.

Demsome

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 07:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Think about it.Of course the shallow, whiny, weak ones are left. That is the point of this game. To vote OUT the strong, winning, personable ones, so the compitition is whittled down.If BB wants strong,happy, personable players left at the end they need to change the whole game.

Lostintheglades

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 07:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Kaili. Erika didn't looking like she was buying it at all and I kept waiting for the eye roll and smirk.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey yo* left o*t the big one. Ali is afraid of Jack!

(my keyboard is s*ffering from a coffee s*ill, I am missing some letters)

Crossfire

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fruitbat, I see you are missing some letters. I have a few extra I can let you have.

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ttttttttttttttttt

Just copy and paste those into your messages. If you run out, just give me a shout, and I'll see if I can't dig up a few more.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Crossfire. I have a t, I am missing the letter that is slang for wee wee, the yellow water.

Thank you! I co*ied and *asted that u! LOL!

Crossfire

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Not a problem Fruit, I just got these bulk from ebay, they look like they might have been used, but I've had no problem so far.

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Justboredwbb4

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
To everyone that has said Ali has 130,000.
" " " " " " should not win because she does not need the money because her Dad makes 130K a year.

NO she does not. Her parents do. That is their bank not Ali's.
My parents have bank from their own business'. And the only time it is mine is Christmas, Birthday's and when Mom decides she wants to shop, has nothing else to buy for herself, and buy's for me. :)

Ali's Dad money has no bearance on her financial stability. This should have nothing to do with someone winning the game or not. Ali playing this card was wrong but she has played many cards. She should win the game as she has played everyone almost to a T.

I cannot stand her in this game. I would love to see Erika win because I just like her better.

But, this is a game and Ali is obviously not in here to make life long friends so she is just PLAYING the game. Good for her. More than any of us can say for Robert.

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"To everyone that has said Ali has 130,000.
" " " " " " should not win because she does not need the money because her Dad makes 130K a year." Once again, we have somebody posting a statement that has absolutely nothing to do with anything said in this thread. I see no printed evidence that anyone thinks Alison shouldn't win because of her Dad's income. Not one person uttered that desire. She hasn't played everyone to a "T", either. Nobody is buying her act, and her chances for winning this game are nil.

Wendo

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker said, "Amazing analysis Wendo. Because they signed a disclosure agreement, they should be prepared to have Alison chip away at their character and economic status."

Well, I'm not saying that it's a fun thing for Donny and his parents to hear. However, anyone even remotely familiar with reality tv shows knows, things get said. A lot of things, embarassing things; things you wouldn't want others to know. When one signs that disclosure agreement you open yourself and your business up for public consumption. Had Donny not signed the disclosure, the feeds would've gone FOTH and it likely wouldn't have aired. Donny made a choice. And, as I said, he's been interviewed...TWICE. The second time occuring AFTER Ali's game playing was quite visible.

As to character, I don't recall Ali saying anything about Donny's parent's character. Donny is an adult, he made a choice to sign a disclosure agreement. At that point, his life was fair game to be discussed. Not saying it's fair, only that it's a fact.

Justboredwbb4

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey woodpecker "Once again, we have somebody posting a statement that has absolutely nothing to do with anything said in this thread."

Continued over from the other page people were talking of who in the game was destitute.
You need to do more research before attacking someones opinion!
Right at the top of this page someone said Ali has 130,000.

My thread, wich I defend, has everything to do with Ali playing the Financial card.

I DO THINK ALI HAS PLAYED EVERYONE TO A T....THIS IS WHY SHE IS STILL THERE AND MAY WIN THE MONEY.
WHY DON'T YOU COME UP WITH YOUR OWN OPINIONS INSTEAD OF ATTACKING SOMEONE ELSE'S

Bracken

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 10:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whoever posted that Alison is attempting to show her dramatic range to find an acting job is right on. Did you see the Sarah Bernhardt act the week before when she was lying on the bed in the HOH room listening to music and crying -- now that was so contrived, I was hysterical watching her.

I can't believe there are almost 90 posts about this subject, but then, the remaining HGs have given us little to watch on the live feeds so we must analyze what little we get, haha.

While I agree that whoever wins this show deserves it, I do think it would be wonderful if the jury chooses the one who has done to least damage to others. In this regard, Ali wins hands down. While Robert is a full on misogynist, nobody takes his rantings seriously or thinks less of the women in the house because of his horrific attitude. Personally, I can't stand him, but think all his nastiness about Erika, too, has been dismissed as sour grapes.

Ali, on the other hand, hit below the belt when she told Justin she though Nathan was gay. Sorry, that was inexcusable and puts her in whole different category. There is game play and then there is Alison.

Cricket

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 10:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to kind of agree with JustBored. Ali doesn't necessarily have money and when she was crying, she said she was angry that Jun has so many possessions (when they were showing Jun saying she has 77 pairs of black shoes.) Ali stated if Jun won the money she would just spend it; whereas I think Ali will be happy with the $50,000 to attend law school. In her mind, she probably is thinking she would put the money to better use than Jun.

I have no clue at this point who Ali really wants to go to the end with. I've been gone over a week and have been reading for 2 days to catch up. On last night's show, she even mentioned Robert and that would be horrible. However, from reading, it appears after that was showed, that Ali now hates Robert.

I too believe Ali has PLAYED the game, as has Jun and to some degree Erika.

Seamonkey, I don't understand something you said about if Jee and Ali vote off Erika tonight. Jee is on the block and Ali can only take herself off, so Jee would still be there, right?

Puzzled

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with those who don't think Erika fell for Ali's fake tears. Her face and body language were telegraphing--what cr@p.

After all, she's a bartender and her mother doesn't have a house--and she's supposed to feel sorry for Ali????

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"To everyone that has said Ali has 130,000.
" " " " " " should not win because she does not need the money because her Dad makes 130K a year." Once again, nobody in this thread said that. I repeat, nobody said Alison shouldn't win the money because her father makes $130,000 a year. As far as having opinions of my own and only commenting on other posters, you are really off the mark. I started this thread. It was my title and my opinion at the beginning.

Denecee

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope Ali doesn't win any money because she is way too immature to handle it. I don't hate her, I don't know her. The way she portrays herself on this show just makes me think that she is very immature for her age. She thinks that she is playing a good game but really the others are just keeping her around so that they can win the 500g's.
Alison reminds me of my son's ex-girlfriend. Thank goodness he came to his senses.

Justboredwbb4

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow wood pecker you must only read what you want to see because I Never said, and I repeat, I never said that you only post to other posters opinions.

People have assumed Ali has money because of her Dad. Maybe no one actually said she should not win because her Dad has money. But alot of people are assuming she has money because of her Dad's income. So I retract that one comment that you chose to focus on and people have said that Ali does have money because her Dad makes an income of 130K


We are here to give our opinions and not attack each other! Even if we "started the thread".
So therefore this will be my last response to your misquotations and attacks on my opinions.

Nexell2

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What will everyone do if Ali or Robert wins the 500 thousand? Just curious.