Archive through August 02, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Nate hate must stop.:
Archive through August 02, 2003
Lurknomore | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:18 am     SUN....Costa you are somewhere there is SUN????? Can I come visit PLEASSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Today is an upgrade to gray and humid from rain, storms and humid, with Tstorms which is pretty much the forcast for the entire week. My aching back and I are quite unpleased about that! |
Costacat | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:19 am     Clear blue sky, balmy breeze, temp in the low to mid 70's right now at 11am... Come 'n visit any time, Lurk! I'll save a sunny patch for you. Purr! |
Seanflynn2003 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:22 am     Lurk At least you have an excuse for being inside! Here in LA it's 71, no humidity, cloudless, a slight breeze Like nearly every day b/w May and October |
Costacat | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:28 am     Except for June this year, Sean! We had LOUSY weather down here for the entire month of June! |
Fuzzyb | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:35 am     Reason # 1 to like Nate is he's an OKIE! Boomer Sooner Psalm 64 (just kiddin') |
Gidget | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:49 am     I am glad that Nathan speaks his mind. It gives someone like Jack, with the guts, to perhaps plant some new seeds there. If Nathan hadn't been honest about what he felt, he would never have had the opportunity to consider a different point of view, Jack's. That is my problem with political correctness. People are so busy walking on egg shells around everyone else that their misconceptions are kept secret and hence never challenged. And in my opinion, for the most part, that is what bigotry truly is. Misconception and a willingness to generalize. It is a lot harder to hate a person who is different from you, once you have the opportunity to know them and discover you aren't all as different as you thought or were taught. |
Squaredsc | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:56 am     darn its hazy hot and humid here. fuzzy, the sooners were my fav football team back in the 80's and early 90's. oh and as far as the topic, i don't hate any of the hg's. |
Maris | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:59 am     What did Jack say? As I recall a conversation way back on the sofa that Jack participated in with Nathan, Robert, Nathan was talking about gays. he said he would throw his son out of the house if his son was gay and he further went on to say that being gay was a choice and he didnt believe that you were born gay. As I recall Jack agreed with that assessment about gays. not the point about throwing a gay son out of the house, but the view that being gay is a "chosen lifestyle" and Jack added to the conversation about psychological reasons for being gay. So I am curious as to how Jack swayed Nathan away from his views. |
Gidget | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:10 pm     I was referring to his other conversation about mixed race marriages and knowing his daughter would bring home a good person so he was not concerned about race. I missed the conversation to which you refer Maris. And Nate's unpopular expressions.. and some of the other guests as well, may not have benefitted them but it opened up conversation amongst ourselves. Maybe a few lurkers out there, with bigoted feeling of their own, may be reading our comments and thinking, hmmm, some people seem to see things differently. It is not so conscious, necessarily. I don't know what to do about bigotry and hatred. I do personally believe that sweeping it under a carpet and not acknowleging it's existence does nothing to eradicate it. I am old enough to remember when racial slurs were not so guarded in conversation. And now when most people are careful about what they say to whom. Either way, there is still an awful lot of hate out there. |
Twiggyish | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:15 pm     Getting ready to rain here. We were outside earlier today. Wondering if there are any Bellinis left?  |
Miggles | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:16 pm     Gidget, PC in the broad sense is about giving other people dignity and respect. How can two people of different backgrounds ever have a constructive discussion if they continue to **thoughtlessly** spout expressions and attitudes which the other side finds demeaning? I agree that maybe there still is hope for Nate since he is young and possibly for the first time interacting with a diverse set of people. And Bbfanatic, are you suggesting that Fox news is **not slanted**? |
Costacat | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:20 pm     Hi Mom!! I'll *always* have a secret stash of bellinis just for you! You just whistle, and I'll deliver! |
Gidget | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:30 pm     Miggles- I totally agree that the original intention of PC is exactly what you describe. But it went from being PC is a way of being, to PC is the way everyone must be or they will be driven from society. To express a socially unacceptable opinion is to be ostracized if done generally. To express it where you think it is safe is still quite fine. For example. I was in a meeting a few weeks ago. The only woman present. Being lower on the totem pole than everyone else in the meeting, it is understood that I will not buck opinion (if I wish to continue and further my career). Well this good ole boys club made comments about the dedication of another female executive because she had to take time from work to attend to something with her children. This same woman, generally works long hours and late into the night. Yet these creeps could jump on the one afternoon she was being a mother instead of their work donkey. I was seething but could say nothing. I have bills to pay too. It was an ugly horrible feeling. As I am of a different generation than most of the HG, I am a little surprised by their lack of PC. Clearly the last couple decades of PC did not create a generation of accepting people. The same exact prejudices that existed when I was young are still alive and apparently thriving. We have gone wrong somewhere. PC has not produced the effect it was intended. |
Bastable | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:34 pm     Gidget wrote: "We have gone wrong somewhere. PC has not produced the effect it was intended." Amen to that! I'm a pretty big lefty but I agree with the most conservative among us that PC is not healthy. (I don't know if it every was.) Instead of diversity, we've got segregation. Instead of tolerance, we've got hidden, seething resentment. Instead of dialogue, we've got blame. Basically, you can't force enlightenment simply by altering your vocabulary. PC hasn't really worked because it's behavior-based, not attitude-based. Maybe that's OT. Maybe not--because these HGs don't seem to have sensible behavior or attitudes. |
Imz | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:42 pm     Sarcasm is lost on some. The use of bronze, in my post, was intentional; but I will admit I have no talent for clarity. As a Texan, I feel for you Okie’s. That was uncalled for. One note: Nate’s position in the discussion of race was he felt the children of bi-racial marriage’s, in this case black and white, may have some difficulty with issues of identity. I know this won’t appease Nate haters, but I appreciated Nate’s candor in the discussion. |
Costacat | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:50 pm     Imz, the problem with posting on boards such as this, or in email, is that you cannot tell what the tone of voice is that is being used. If your original post was sarcastic, then yes, I would agree that I missed your sarcasm. |
Sugarplum | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:59 pm     Ditto to what Costa said. Our keyboards just need more personality! |
Koh | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:09 pm     At least you people haven't called Nathan a liberal. That would be a real insult. |
Puzzled | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:13 pm     Good posts, Gidget. Too bad you have to put up with those misogynist idiots. |
Jhezzie | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:27 pm     Wow...is that any reason to use the "L" word?!? |
Rudy | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:32 pm     I agree that PC hasn't produced the effect intended. Liberal or conservative, makes no difference, I've heard inappropriate comments from each. We attended mandatory 'Diversity' classes at work and I and another diverse co-worker were never so offended as in that class. My take on it is if someone says something that unintentionally offends you is for you to tell them (in a nice way) to stop. For the intentional stuff, it is much better just to ignore it. I think wearing a chip on your shoulder just aggravates the situation. |
Bbfanatic | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:36 pm     miggles, did i say that? No. It is no more slanted than the Clinton News Network. I was just saying you cant automatically judge a person by what they watch on tv. I watch CNN also. it is no different than judging someone by what state they come from. |
Gidget | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 01:38 pm     Thanks Puzzled- The interesting thing is many of us have to put up with them but are not as lucky as I was to hear them put words to it. Now I know what I am dealing with. As mad as it made me, I found the knowledge useful. I can a. tread carefully and b. be on the look out for opportunities to plant better seeds in their weedy minds. |
Proudtobeanokie | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:39 pm     Ok I'm surprised at how many people on the boards and in the house don't seem to realize that Oklahoma is still part of the USA. Okies aren't that much different from everyone else. 75% of the state is not racist, and we aren't a completely white state that has never seen a black person before. We even have several different churches(contrary to the girls comments that Nate must be Mormon since he reads the bible a lot = ) )! Edmond(my hometown) is actually a big town, not a little hick town. They have 2 24hr Walmarts(one of which is a supercenter), a SuperTarget, a college, and all other kinds of things. As a Navy wife, I've lived in a town in CT whose Walmart closed by 9pm, so I've started classifying how big the town is by the Walmart lol. Now there are some small towns in OK that I would call the residents hicks. But I definitely wouldn't consider Nate to be a "hick" because he's not from some small little town out in the middle of nowhere. I'm just curious as to why so many people make comments about Nate being an Okie and a hick???? His opinions and actions do not reflect on all Oklahomans. As I hope that Dana's opinions and actions don't reflect on all New Yorkers--yikes! BTW, does anyone remember Shannon Miller, Olympic Medalist? She's also from Edmond Oklahoma--just a little tidbit for ya! I'm actually excited because we are flying home to Oklahoma tomorrow, and I can't wait to eat Braum's and Taco Bueno. Yum! Those of you from the area will know the places I'm talking about = )! |
Jmm | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:42 pm     Proudtobeanokie, When you get home, eat a Braum's vanilla ice cream cone with a cherry on top for my oldest DD. That's what she used to love when we lived in Edmond. BTW my youngest DD was born there. LOL |
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