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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Jun & Allison want to be final 2 with each other: Archive through September 01, 2003

Bb5wannabe

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As odd as this sounds, doesn't Rob have an secret alliance with Erica (or vise versa) if they should get to that point? I thought they made one way back.

Misslibra

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's Jun's idea to change plans and get Erika out, but Erika isn't a threat to Jun like he is to Ali.

I meant to say Robert isn't a real threat to Jun like he is to Ali.

Cameltoes

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert is now telling Erika that he will NOT put her up if he wins HOH. Saying he wants to be in the finals with her.

Misslibra

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No Robert didn't have a alliance with Erika but right now on the live feeds Robert is telling Erika if he wins next HOH he will not put Erika up. Robert said what he is saying to her is genuine. Robert just said he don't want Jun nor Ali to win it. Now I hope Erika don't go back and tell Ali and Jun what Robert said. Erika please keep this info to yourself.

Meggieprice

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Puzzled- I am with you- I NEVER- and I mean never, thought you would hear the words "I want Robert to win HOH" come out of my mouth because loathe isn't even strong enough to describe my feelings for him but if Erika buys into Ali's garbage enought to throw HOH thinking Ali will keep her safe then I hope Robert wins HOH. There, meggie said it. I do think Robert will nominate Ali and Jun- Erika never betrayed him in this game and was always upfront about where her alliance was- I want him to nominate A/J and I want Erika to get Ali out of there.

Misslibra

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Puzzle, never thought I would be saying this either but I hope Robert get the next HOH to, and I'll go one step further, if Jun and Ali take my girl Erika out then it's Awwwwwn !! I hope Robert wins the game ! Be right back need my barf bag after saying that. lol

Cameltoes

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Meggie and Miss... I don't think Erika will throw it. It's just too bad Robert is so bad at everything. I'm glad he won't put her up but it doesn't do her much good seeing as how he chokes under pressure.

Misslibra

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggie you saying the same thing to ?! How quickly we turn. LOL

Meggieprice

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL MissL! I mean- really, the guy makes my skin crawl but I am really mad that the two floaters are going to take Erika down- yes, it is good game strategy- but I don't have to like it! Camel- you are probably right- and all I can say is Go ERIKA GO!

I mean, really, can you guys imnagine watching the feeds with a Jun/Ali/Robert final three? Gag me!

Seamonkey

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do believe that Ali has "final two" deals with Erika, Jun AND Robert... Robert has tried to convince her that she might beat him, but no one else.. but actually he'd have Jee, Justin and Dana, only needing one additional vote.

I think Ali has only mentioned a secret allliance with Jun THAT WE HAVE BEEN SHOWN in the DR, but it really is difficult to say which way she'll flip if she has control (gets HOH).

Face it.. two of them WILL take out a third at some point. What else would they do?


No WAY is Erika going to throw HOH! Or Ali. If Jun was competing she also wouldn't be throwing it.

Seamonkey

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmm well, I don't want to see Robert at all, but Jun and Ali have been playing good games so I see nothing wrong with them working to win.

Rob? Wrong, just wrong.

Mouse

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We don't have to worry about Robert winning anything. After Jee leaves and he is stuck in the house for a week with the 3 women he loves so much, he will freak out and be either drown himself in the hot tub (or shower) or be dragged out of the house after having a tantrum and having his head spin around.

K9lover1

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 09:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point MissLibra - the big question is... who is ali lying to? One of them for sure. I can't help but believe that ERika really is backing Ali.

K9lover1

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd like to think there is a lot of thinking going on in Erika's brain right now. Just so she doesn't get blindsided. If she doesn't try hard for HOH and lets Ali get it, then unfortunately her game playing is lacking.

Bbaddict

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to agree with the above...Rob...please win HOH to get my girl E closer to the win....

*sigh*

Never thought I'd ever say that.

*bigger sigh*

Misslibra

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Sea, it's so hard to tell right now who Ali will keep her word to if she get next HOH.

I'm surprise at Erika and Jun knowing how Ali plays this game they haven't traded notes on Ali. Jun have not even bother to think to ask Erika any questions about Ali or to try to find out who all Ali have made deals with while Jun was in NY.

Jun have not even ask Robert anything since she been back. Jun should be smart enough to realize while she was out Ali got busy. Perfect time for Ali to do some willing a dealing. But no one is keeping close tabs on Ali, which is how she gets away will all of the scheming and multiple alliances.

So far Ali is running this game and the HG's is setting by letting her do it, by not keep tabs on her knowing her track record. I think that is very bad game playing myself.

Charvie

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Erika plans to win HOH because during the last hoh I saw Erika say the clock and Jun has...and than decided not to answer the rest of the question.
She threw it and knows she needs to win this week, also she has been telling Alison she plans on going for the hoh.

K9lover1

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I heard Jun say she is feeling the most confident right now - I think that may be why she isn't asking Erika questions or checking up on Ali.

Jpgramma

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems to me, most of this "Erika next" talk is indeed being instigated and kept alive by June. I am SO glad that June can't get the next HOH. We're 2 for 3 at the very least for Erika being safe. We're safe if Erika herself wins it, and safe if Robert wins it. (Yes, I too have amazed myself in hoping that Robert wins this one, if Erika can't).

I'm 50/50 on whether to believe Ali's bs with June. Mostly because it IS June who is starting those E next talks. Somewhere, deep down, really, really, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally deep down, I think that Erika may be the one person that Ali DOES feel she can trust in this game. She DID tell Robt that she would vote for Erika if E was in final 2 because E was her one true alliance. Of course, she may have been telling him that just so he'd be sure to want to get rid of Erika too. LOL

damn. With no one there for Erika to talk truth to, I sure wish she'd start talking to the cameras when she was alone! lol I want to know what's in her head!

Ladytex

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's why Ms. Jun needs to be put in check. I'd love to see her put up next week. I bet if Erika wins hoh she puts up Jun and Robert.

Misslibra

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sea, I agree it's rather sickening to think Robert could even win this game. But if Ali and Jun keep Robert over Erika, Robert might squeak right on by and win, by some miracle, ya just never know. And if he does I'll be *gag* rooting for *gag* Robert... ugh!

It would be funny if Erika got the next HOH and put up Jun and Ali. I hope some how some way Erika will get vibes that something is up with Ali and Jun and she's on their hit list.

I also wish Erika would do what Ali did and cover her butt and make a secret alliance with Robert. She approach him once and in light of the conversation Robert and Erika had tonight she should ask him again about forming a alliance. Erika knows she can't trust Ali.

Gina8642

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Like Seamonkey said - the only alliance Alison has confirmed in the DR is the one with Jun.

IMO Ali would prefer to go to final two with Jun, because she has a better chance with Jun than any other. However Ali also knows Erika's top choice for a final two opponant is probably Ali - so Ali may feel a bit ambivalent about getting rid of Erika right now because an Ali/Jun/Erika final three guarentees Ali a place in final two. Jun definately wants Erika gone sooner than later because Erika will not choose her to go to final two with and Erika will be harder to beat in a competition than Robert.

I do tend to believe the women when they say they don't like Rob, and want him to go. I hope this means they don't want him in final two no matter what. I fully admit that my reasoning here my be affected by my biases against Robert.

Misslibra

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jp, I think Ali told Robert that to turn him against Erika. Ali has picked up on Robert not hating Erika anymore. Me think the girl's especially Ali don't like that. It don't fit into her little game plan. I wonder if the girl's will start telling Robert lies about Erika so he will turn against her...

Misslibra

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I honestly don't think Ali could win against Jun or anyone not even Robert. Dana I'm sure is working on that by poisoning the jury pool against Ali, which wouldn't take much. Ali have betrayed a lot of people in this game and karma is going to come back and bite her in the butt with a second place no matter who she goes against.

Mlt

Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just had a crazy idea. Is it possible that Ali might throw the next HOH? If she thinks that Robert wants Erika out and that Erika wants Robert out, maybe she plans to just let the two of them battle it out. Then she makes a deal with Jun so that if she is the second going up with Erika or Robert, Jun will vote to keep her.

Ali's a smart girl. She must know that she is playing now for second place - regardless of who she is up against. I think she just wants to try to ensure that she has an alliance with all three of the others so that regardless of who wins the final HOH, they will take her.