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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Erica OR Jack?: Archive through August 23, 2003

Whit4you

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 12:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well according to Allie and Jun they are now forming an alliance with Erika (their two votes against the one from Rob evict Erika) I guess they could be lying to Erika but what would be their point. If they evict Jack it'll be the three girls against Rob for the next HOH.

Spunky

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I will know for sure Ali is telling the truth to Erika and Jun when she will finally tell Erika that the stooges told her Jack AND Erika suggested Jee use the veto to put Ali up and evict her...
I understand she may not do so before the POV but afterwards she should by all means.. otherwise she's in with the guys...

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 10:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am worried about the angel alliance today- unless I have missed something Ali has not told the women about last night and she is viciously trashing Erika again this morning.

Spunky

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
for someone who's so smart she surely is gullible... believing everything Robert says...
unless that's part of the act...

Mush

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Jee were really thinking he would figure out the potential girls' alliance before the POV meeting and do what Babyphat says -- take Jack off and put up Ali. Since Jee and Jack have been talking that could happen. When is the POV meeting?

I'd prefer that Jee leave things alone and the girls suprise him and vote out Jack. This week could result in a lot of shifting of alliances -- 3 girls vs 2 boys, 3 boys vs 2 girls, erica/jack vs jee/robert (with jun floating), others I haven't even thought of. With all the talk and lies, I won't be sure until after the vote. Finally an interesting week!

Spunky

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 10:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know I think I'd be okay with both outcomes, either Jee not using the VETO OR putting Ali up, that girl is driving me nuts... I can't figure her out..

Spunky

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 10:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun and Ali are either VERY VERY GOOD or they're trying to save their butt just before POV and then we'll see.
Jun's tactic is different than Ali, Jun wants to play it safe by trying to convince Jee that Jack is really the one to go. Ali instead is playing Robert's game by badmouthing Erika...
However, you noticed that Ali didn't reveal to the stooges what Jun is up to, likewise Jun did not reveal what Ali is up to...
this can only show they're still acting ....

Spunky

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 12:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just realized POV meeting is not until tomorrow afternoon!!! I'm afraid that's just too long for the girls to keep up with their act... they'll blow their cover...

Philamom

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 03:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Initially, I thought Ali was sincere in aligning with Erika and Jun (LOL, the words "Ali" and "sincere" should probably never be put together in the same sentence). But now I think Ali is going to vote to evict Erika. Ali likes men around, she thinks she can control them better. I think she wants to be the only female in the house.

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Philamom- watching today I am afraid you are right. It would be a stupid move on her part because she cannot win against Jeebert in the final. I guess she doesn't care. I don't know how she can stand to even be around them like this. She is either a very good actress or she has no intention of sticking with the women.

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 04:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ack- Ali is really sounding like she is with Jeebert. I am disappointed. Not good news for me, or for my viewing.

C1mag

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 04:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meg you must not be paying attention. Ali is blowing so much smoke up these guys behinds right now that I am now fully convinced Ali will be evicting Jack. Didn't you hear what she said and more importantly what she hasn't said? She has said nothing about Erika trying to make a deal with her to keep her in. She even threw in that she is POSITIVE Jun will evict Erika as well cause she is pretty sure Jun has an alliance with Jack. She is not only protecting herself but Jun as well. Don't ya see what Ali is doing? She is saying to them everything they want to hear. She doesn't want them to use that veto. After that... she votes Jack out. Whenever you are questioning ali ask yourself this... How does keeping Jack benefit Ali at all? It doesn't. How does keeping Erika benefit Ali? in every way possible. I knew Ali was blowing hot air with the guys when she told Rob she is gonna get that next hoh. Hello? SHE DOESN'T WANT THE NEXT HOH!! She wants the one after that so that she can win back to back hoh. She is totally fooling these guys to make sure the veto wont't be used. I'm not worried at all about how she is gonna vote. Jack is toast. Ali gets an "A" for this performance.

C1mag

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 04:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anyone else make a note that Mr. Wonderful HOH is already eating meat? He took some turkey for his sandwhich and told Ali and Rob not to tell the others. Well I would have won a mint because I predicted this is what he would do. What makes him even more of a whimp is the fact that he has already had Mcdonalds this morning. Jee really is nothing but a <LC>. I didn't know where else to put this.

Mrose4243

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 04:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1, I knew Jee would not do the PBJ with the other HG. If he really meant it, he wouldn't be eating the McD's every day!

and..yes Allie deserves the Oscar for her performance with Jee in the HOH! I loved it when Jee and Robert said they wanted a BIG surprise on Wed. night and Allie enthusiastically says:

"YES, MEEE TOOOO" LOL

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 04:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh C1- I needed you ! I knew you would snap me back- but it has been really sickening listening to her in HOH with them.

Yes- I noticed that Jee ate- what a slime thing to do!

I need to hear Ali confirm with the women again to calm me down. She sounds so convincing with Jeebert and she is gong to have to make a real statement this week instead of seeing which way the HOH blows. Is she up to it? Or would she rather be the only woman left with those two <can't say it it would be moderated>.

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 04:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't even watch Robert spouting any more, and Ali chiming in everything...it is so hard for me to stay strong!

C1mag

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 04:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali gets the award for best performance. If anyone questions from here on out if Ali will boot Jack or not just keep reminding yourself of the following....

If she keeps Jack heres what happens.
1. Jun is betrayed and will be out after her.
2. She already knows if jack gets hoh he will put her up
3. She would have to definitely win the next hoh which is the one hoh she does not want.

Now if she keeps Erika heres what happens.
1. Erika is in her back pocket.
2. Jun is in her back pocket for at least 2 weeks.
3. She doesn't have to stress the hoh. It would be 3-1 for the power.
4. She can hand the hoh to the two girls and be able to get the next one so that she can go back to back hoh's

All she's doing is feeding the boys what they need to hear right now. She is definitely gonna boot Jack. It's not gonna change. BTW earlier today she asked Erika if her and Jack had tried to make a deal this week with Jee. Erika looked puzzled and said what would be the point. Jack and I haven't even talked strategy this week. Ali's eye's went wide and she said, " If you only knew what the guys are trying to convince me of" Then she said... "screw with me and you will get screwed" Like I said she is just playing these guys. She would be telling them everything about Erika and Jun wanting to get out Jack so she could get rid of one of them now with the veto. Instead she keeps saying that both girls aren't talking about the game at all they are too weak.

C1mag

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 04:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When she says to Robert she is gonna get that next HOH and cheer this is when you know she is lying. She does not want this next hoh. She would be too vulnerable the following week. The only way to get to the back to back hoh's is too keep Erika in the game and let Erika and Jun go for that hoh. Ali would be forced to get it this week if she keeps Jack because she would be on both Jack and Juns hit list and she knows Robert will not be trying for hoh because Rob doesn't go for anything. So there it is. She will definitely boot Jack. She can see the finish line with a little help from Erika. She is screwed if Jack stays in the game. Use Erika and let her get the next hoh. She gets the follwoing hoh after that and then the one after that and she cruises to the finals with whoever she wants with her. Bye Jack.

Wendo

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 05:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, glad to see you hear reassuring us. I'll tell ya, we needed you last night in the Late Night thread when Ali was in the HOH with the boys. However, I am glad to hear that Ali did bring up the deal Jack tried to make with Erika. I knew if she did it meant she was still leaning towards the girl alliance.

I know a lot of people don't dig Ali, but dang I think she's playing a good game (though I don't think she'll get the big money; but she said she just wants the 50 grand anyway.) If she does vote to evict Jack, the girl deserves an award for her acting; 'cause she had me fooled. LOL!

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 05:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok C1- you can't be gone from the boards ever again- ok? I have the faith again!

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 05:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think if she keeps Erika she is playing a good game but if she keeps Jack she is not. This is when we see how smart she is. She has been able to coast with HOH but this week she has to make a stand.

Spunky

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 05:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Ali gets an A in performance if she can keep it up until POV meeting, that is if she doesn't blow up their cover (the women's alliance). She's doing everything right so far.. however, I wonder if this excellent performance is because she got so scared last night when Jeebert told her someone wanted Jee to take Erika off the block and put Ali up and evict her, I think she freaked out for a moment and didn't hesitate asking "you won't do that.." and silly Jee said "of course not".
And thank goodness that the only reason Jee didn't buckle to that request is because Jee hates Erika with a passion and wants her out.

We'll have a deja-vu on Wednesday...

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 05:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just don't understand why she is playing it so strong- endlessly going over strategy and badmouthing Jack/Jun/Erika- does she think that will keep her safe? That's the problem- the minute she steps out of the safe zone for the first time she will not be safe with them- she will have betrayed them (not that they don't talk about shafting her whenever they are alone anyway...). So why this endless pow wowoing and cementing their status as the new dream team. (Gag me- I mean really- gag me!)Is she that worried about the veto? I guess so... I did notice that Spunky- the minute the thought even was whispered about putting her up she freaked last night- that was what worried me. That was Nathans achilles heel as well. It seems so clear to me that she would be better served sticking with the women.

Saggkl

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 05:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just for if's sake. what if Rob was to get HOH next week?

Spunky

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And that's what I said, she got really scared for a moment.. but she's lucky as well because Jee wants Erika out and so he doesn't want to put Ali up and risk the wrath of Jun or Robert for that matter because Erika will kick Robert out. And he really wants to break up J/E alliance. Ali's on the block wouldn't serve any purpose (This is why she really doesn't need to go overboard with the performance).

It will be easy for her to get back to the women when she'll explain how hard she tried to fool the guys and the women of course will be pleased since they'll have succeeded.
The means justify the end... (Machiavelli)

Let's keep our fingers crossed that she won't blow their cover before POV meeting..

P.S. the idea of saving Erika must have been Jack's, and imagine if Jee really did so, we'd have the strongest alliance still intact Jack and Erika and to tell you the truth I almost wished Jee did save her and put Ali up.
But Jee ain't that stupid.