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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Now this is going too far!: Archive through August 24, 2003

Crossfire

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hehehe, I have EVERY intention of being a middle age peeper, and then graduating to Dirty Old Man™. Maybe not quite to the point of having a mission statement, but if someone is sharing...be sure to count me in because I know I will.

Fruitbat

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Atta boy Crossfire.

Saggkl

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If they REALLY felt this way, why did they wait until they wanted an excuse to vote out Jack to voice them? allie talks to rob all the time and june talks to jee when she gets a chance. if these things were true, they would have been mentioned. it is sick.

Meggieprice

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Background for those that did not see this-Jun and Ali had a talk last night to reconfirm their plan to keep Erika and how to approach it- i.e. tell the Jeebert before Wednesday- surprise them on live show, etc. They decided they should have separate reasons for voting Jack out so that the guys would not know they were allied (this I do not understand- it's time to play the game ladies- the lines must be drawn- are you afraid you will be nominated? Well look around you-there aren't many to pick from!) Anyway Ali immediately said whe would say that Jack had been creeping her out and was off and running to sow the seeds with jeebert so that it would not be a surprise to them. Jun provided some back up but it did blow over pretty fast and hopefully will not come up too much again. I wonder though, given Ali's tendancy to overplay and overamp everything.

Fruitbat

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It is time for Jun and Ali go against Robert and Jee with a Jack vote and they are being cowards! This is disappointing. I want a Jun/Ali F2 for the excitement of it. Now is the time to come out as a team with Erika. The opportunity to float is gone. Long gone.

Buggles

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In the eyes of a young woman... Jack can ogle at women his age no problem. But it is creepy for him to ogle at young women who could be his daughters. They expect to walk around in bikinis with the same comfort level they would have walking around their dads.

I don't think it's a double standard. It's about age-appropriate behavior.

Fruitbat --- I did not condemn Jack for looking , I LAUGHED when he said that but I would not characterize him as 'honorable.' Sheesh Let's get real - an honorable man WOULD have looked the other way.

He IS eyeing them sexually & is old enough to be their dad, that's enough to make most any young woman uncomfy - just a FACT sorry

Personally I learned to enjoy it when I was oh about 25 but I'm just precocious

Fruitbat

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Simultaneous post Meggie. :)

They are being transparent and sure to over work this, it is only Sunday. sigh

Whit4you

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's funny Hugh Heffner is what 70? And he's got a dozen girls 25ish as girlfriends - hundreds around him are fine with that... (oh ya because he's a mulitmillionaire...) and yet people imply it's not ok for Jack to look at girls who are walking around in skimpy bikini's? They are over 21 they aren't children. I see nothing abnormal about a 50 year old guy looking at a almost nakid 25 year old gal - it's not like they look like a kid they don't look any different at 25 then they will at 30 you know.

Gina8642

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ummm...

I've only skimmed this thread - but it seems like there is a massive overreaction going on here. As far as I can tell almost no one posting here witnessed this conversation. I was watching last night and heard Jun and Ali make a few comments about Jack being a dirty old man. These jokes were made IN AN EXTREMELY JOKING MANNER. What I heard was NOTHING in comparison to comments made last year about Gerry.

I don't do live feed posts because I can't type that fast. But I've heard on many occasions Jack making comments to Jun that include WAY TOO MUCH sexual innuendo. While I know, they are meant to be joking, they go over the top. I actually don't blame her for mentioning it.

All that said, Jun and Allie, need an excuse to vote out Jack. This is a good of reason as any other. Jack is a big boy, he knows how this game is played. He won't be offended by this. Especially because nothing was ever said that even begins to deserve the level of outrage I'm reading here.

These houseguests have never done anything but joke about this. No one has ever been seriously complaining about this or serisouly doing it.

Vskatefan

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But Jack is NOT their dad! I guess because I am not as young Ali and Jun are I have a different opinion. Honestly,however, I don't think a guy of any age should run around making sexual comments to females unless the female has shown she wants these comments made to her.

Maybe they were joking, but I still don't see this as a legitimate way to go about their reasoning. There are plenty of game-related reasons for their vote. Why use a personal/character reason for it?

Sushigirl

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just heard Ali tell Jee she ignores Jack because he scares her. She is a whack job!

Crossfire

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"But it is creepy for him to ogle at young women who could be his daughters."

At Jacks age, there aren't a lot of women that couldn't be his daughters. It is a rapidly diminishing pool of ogling candidates.

Bonzacat

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Crossfire!

Penpoint

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why are Ali and Jun using this tactic? Because women know it works! We've seen it on Road Rules and previously on BB4 with Scot. All that women have to do is say they fear for their safety, and the over-reaction hysteria starts.

Justshirley

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If it is, indeed, a "fact" that Jun is uncomfortable with Jack eyeing her in a sexual way or making sexual comments to her, perhaps she shouldn't engage in the kind of conversation she had with Jack yesterday where she told Jack that she was so hungry right now, she would give somebody a bl** j*b for a Big Mac.

The overt sexual manner in which both Ali and Jun have conducted themselves in this house leaves them ABSOLUTELY NO ROOM to claim being made "uncomfortable" by the actions of anyone else.

Fruitbat

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
God, that is funny, Crossfire.

Sushigirl

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They have both been sexual in front of Jack in their actions and their vocabulary. So to use this tactic now is sickening.

Cathie

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, I did see & hear it on live feeds and it was not in a joking manner. Ali said she would use it as an excuse to vote Jack out and then started planting seeds for this excuse with Jee and Robert.

WHY do they need an excuse??? Nobody else has felt the need to offer excuses when they vote someone out. They didn't ask Ali for an excuse as to why she voted Justin out--seems like they would wonder why she kept Robert instead of Justin. An excuse for voting Jack is not necessary.

Catkey94

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am a woman in my late 20's and I think what Jun and Alison are doing is inexcusable. Alison and Jub walk around that house half dressed, saying sexual comments to anything male in that house, and now they want to call Jack a pervert!!

Jack has carried himself with dignity and has not in my opinion done anything to merit these accusations.

You have people like Jee telling Ericka to make sure that she wore something low cut, and the other guys making comments. Meanwhile these two do whatever they can to get attention from the guys.

If Jack has been looking at them...what do you expect? He is a healthy man. It isn't like Allison and Jun have not been putting themselves out to be seen.

Sushigirl

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Catkey, Well said!

Demsome

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I must be really out of it cause when I heard Ali and Jun make those comments about Jack being a pervert and ogling them I thought they were serious!! I was beginning to think BB should take him out of the game for being so preverted! I am so disgusted with those girls for lying about Jack like that. Thats the worst thing yet.

Buggles

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 10:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"At Jacks age, there aren't a lot of women that couldn't be his daughters. It is a rapidly diminishing pool of ogling candidates."

Crossfire - thanks for the laugh! Well hmm likewise there probably aren't a lot of men out there who couldn't be Ali & Jun's dad either but they probably manage to stick to their age bracket (except for the Jun/Jee thing yikes )

JUST KIDDING around In all seriousness, I really don't blame Jack for looking & I'm not opposed to May/December romances etc etc.... just pointing out that Ali & Jun sound like typical 20-somethings, not necessarily being heinously malicious here. They seem to be milking a trait for game strategy like any other (like Maris said) though I haven't heard them firsthand so I'm keeping an open mind

Boberg

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 11:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
JustShirley, Sushigirl, and Catkey94 you all said it well. Don't advertise the merchandise if you don't want it looked over. "Just because there is snow on the roof doesn't mean there's not still a fire in the furnace/basement." I have not seen every minute of live feeds but from what I have seen, jack has not been inappropriate with these two. Justshirley your example of how Ali and Jun keep putting it out there is perfect..re..what Jun would do for a Big Mac ( I know she was joking, I think..lol)
Cathie you asked "Why do they need an excuse?" Ali and Jun are using this excuse so maybe Rob and Jee want be so mad at them Wed. when Jack is voted out just in case the HOH comp is about nose picking or slandering the opposite gender whereas Rob might be the next HOH.

Tishala

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah it seems that if Ali is willing to do what she says for a Big Mac, she'd be getting a double dose of special sauce. But what do I know?

Anyhow, after Jack's "thinking with her panties" comments, I don't think it's inappropriate to say that Jack thought with his boxers a bit. What's sauce for the goose and all that.

Cathie

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Boberg, I know this is what they are rationalizing, and if Robert gets HOH they know he will put Erica up with one of them. Well, even if Robert thinks they had a good excuse to vote out Jack he would still put one of them up with Erica becasuse we know he wouldn't put Jee up. An excuse doesn't change anything.