Does Ali even realize???
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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Does Ali even realize???

Trinity63

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That regardless she isn't going to win. Everyone hates her. Jack won't vote for her. You know Justin and Dana won't. That's 3 votes right there. Nathan sure in the heck isn't. Jee I doubt will. I think the only one who would is Erika. Does Ali really think she played with skill, or does she even recognize that she had a lot of luck on her side?

I think if Jun and Robert go up -- Jun will win.
I think if Erika and Robert go up -- Erika will win.

If Ali goes up against any of them -- any of the others will win.

Can you tell I just really don't like her.

I almost hope she wins the America's choice -- I want to see her squirm as Donny her boyfriend reams her a new you know what.

Bbaddict

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 09:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She knows...she totally knows...Robert had a convo with her all about it.

I think all she cares about is winning any amount of money and thinking she's the greatest because she's such a "floater."

I also agree...I would actually pay money to see her get a call from Donny and watch her back pedal all to heck!

Tvduck

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 06:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think she doesn't know. She thinks Justin and Nathan are on her side and with Erika that's 3 votes.

Keiffer

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 07:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that getting into the final two would make anything possible. Ali did win a HoH, a veto, and did manuver well enough to stay while Nate left. She was able to position herself so that others seemed like larger targets, and did all of it while everyone in the house KNEW she couldnt be trusted 100%.

If she had a funnier personality she would be the Will of this year. No one trusts her, but continues to feel that they need her to be around to help them for some reason or another.

If she makes it to the final two I think she has got a shot at convincing people she deserves some votes.

Closetfan

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 07:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She knows...but PLEASE don't let her be in the F2!!

Boberg

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 08:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali knows and I think she has been playing for second place for the last several weeks. Nathan's vote is hard to predict as he keeps wishing to snuggle with her..ok that is not the same as voting for her but he seems to not be thinking with his big head..LOL
Ali is no Will..he told people he was going to lie to them and they kept believing him anyway that is what made him so great a player..Ali lies to everyone and everyone knows it and she has no chance of winning the big money as Will did..JMHO

Cliotheleo

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 08:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Closet, I don't think there's ANY plausible way for Ali to NOT make it into the final two. And you're right, she does know, she's said it over and over, used that in her argument to get Robert to try and get him to keep her.

But I agree Keiffer. ANYTHING could happen.

Neciefranklin

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the jury should vote for Allison to win because it is a chicken way to play, keeping her for the final two so you can win for sure. I know it is the smart way, but still the chicken way. It would be funny if she got the most votes just because the jury wanted to spite the other finalist.

Shakes

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 08:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Clio-I agree that more likely than not Ali will make it to the final two but I don't see her as the winner. She tried to play Will's game - a proven successful strategy to get you to the final - but she lacked the humorous finesse that Will had. I don't think she played an original game at all.

In regard to her knowing about jury votes or the lack thereof - she didn't even consider it until Jee brought it up. At the mere mention of her not having a majority vote for the win, Ali shot back with how well she played the game. (It wasn't until after her conversation with Jee that she even considered an alliance with Robert, the only player Jee (conveniently)pointed out she had a chance against.)It seemed to me that prior to her conversation with Jee, Ali assumed she would be forgiven all (by houseguests and Donny alike)in favor of supposed good game play and granted a win. Can't see that happening. If I were her, I'd thank my lucky stars that she's disliked enough to be used by other players and given 50K for the favor.

JMHO

Whit4you

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I still haven't figured out why people think Jun would beat her in the final 2??

Justshirley

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali SAYS she knows that there's no way she can win, but I do believe that part of her truly believes that she COULD pull out a victory in the end. And she may be right. I doubt it, but you just never know.

All Ali wants is a chance to make it to the finals and be able to plead her case in front of the jury. So she's making sure that everyone else in that house believes that she is well aware that she can't win so they'll each pick her to go up against. But again, I do not believe that Ali has given up on taking home the big prize. I think that she thinks she can (and should) win it all.

In any case, I'm sure that Ali is telling herself that, even if she doesn't win the $500K, fifty grand ain't a bad consolation prize.

Snogrl

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali may tell the others everyone hates her, but this is only to increase her odds of them taking her to the F2. And Ali is all about the odds. The odds are a strong player, either well-liked or strong in competitions (or both) could beat her by getting to the end. Both Ali, Jun and Ericka understand this better than any of the others. They do not play emotionally. IMHO these are the strongest game players and each of them deserve to be where they are now. Doesn't matter what they did to get here because bottom line they are here. Ali knows she's pissed off alot of people, but she kept saying last night she was surprised Dana was still holding a grudge. She's playing the odds maybe some of the jury will judge her on her gameplaying and not if they like her personally. If she makes it to F2 she'll probably find out that was a huge mistake.

Marej

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Aren't they told to vote for the person who played the game the best? Ali played Nate and everyone else and if she is F2; I'm afraid she'll win.

Gina8642

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali knows her chances are slim. And, I think they are getting slimmer. IMO - Her best chance at getting votes was by convincing the jury that she was the 'master player', manipulating and causing all sorts of going ons in the house. However now that she is not in control, she just looks like another weak pawn. Even if she does make it to the end now, Robert's position has been slightly strenthened by winning HOH, which weakens Ali's.

At this point, I'm not sure Alison can win against any of them. I seriously thought she had a chance against Jun up until Robert won HOH.

If Ali wins POV and boots Erika, her chances will go back up a little (because she appears once again 'in control', but she is still desperate. And, if she wins the last HOH, I think she should take Jun not Robert. By winning this HOH, I think Robert ensured himself a fourth vote over Ali.

If Ali does all the power plays between now and the end (win POV, and win last HOH) she has the potential of winning swing votes like Justin and Nathan if she goes against Jun.

Gina8642

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Marej - they can vote for either person, using any criteria they desire.

Final votes are not based on 'best game' unless that indivual jury member decides that's the criteria they want to use.

Sushigirl

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali keeps telling everyone they can beat her in finals. She is the female version of Will. However, I liked Will and I can't stand Ali.

Seamonkey

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they can speculate all they want, but once they get to F2, anything can happen..

One thing.. I don't think anyone but Ali will fault any of the other three for getting Ali out..

Seamonkey

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Heck, I didn't like Will that much, but Ali makes him look so good

Surreal_Badger

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
it seems, based on the lf summaries from last night, that erika and robert may have realized that taking ali to the f2 might not really guarantee them 1st place (that is, using the logic of many of the above posts, they fear that taking ali will be seen as the "chicken" move and ali might win for "playing the best game"). do you think they can/will get rid of her this week?

Justshirley

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just don't see Justin as a swing vote when it comes to Ali up against ANYONE. I do not believe that he will vote for her under any circumstances.

Justin was all about playing this game with honor and integrity, acting with loyalty to his alliance and civility to his opponents (which is much the way I imagine he conducts himself in the real world -- he seems like a genuinely nice guy). He has stated numerous times that Ali is a pathological liar. Not just in the game, but in real life. So Ali can plead to the jury 'til she's blue in the face about how it's "just part of the game," because he is well aware that, in reality, it's just part of who Ali really is.

So, no way is Justin voting for Alison. And, as Justin votes, so shall his minions. This is why Ali is so intent on taking Robert with her to the finals. She knows that she can't afford to let Robert have a jury vote, because with ALL of the Jee3 + Dana on the jury, that's four votes Ali knows she loses. And that's all it takes.

Sushigirl

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sea, You got that right. She makes Will look like an angel and that's a hard thing to do.

Justareader

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
justin may vote for her against jun or er but not rob he is loyal to the DT and she did protect him that one week, although she hung him out to dry on that weeks veto comp when he was nommed.....

Pantageas

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Justshirley, you are exactly right. What I'm going to curious is to see what Aki does this week to keep herself off the block, and if not, what she does to escape eviction once she IS on the block...

Ericzj

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Anybody else remember Will telling the house he needed a kidney transplant? I almost fell over when I heard it. My point is that no matter how much Will lied he was funny and never overtly mean to anybody like Ali. Ali doesn't have the smarts that Will had in his pinky to pull off that kind of game. Go Bunky! kidding.

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 03:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Variations of Ali's name used as a slam and name calling have been deleted--please discontinue the practice.