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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Vilification?: Archive through August 04, 2003

C1mag

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No she didn't exactly tell him she'd go after Dana and anything she said to him he said imediately, "YOU CAN'T TRUST HER" He didn't trust her and also turned down any offer she had to protect him. He kept saying... We have to get that hoh next week.

And although you agree with her choices I don't. She should have shut her mouth and sucked it up and stayed with the alliance. The idea that at week 3 that you would even play the, "I trust this one over that one" is useless because look what happens. Play the game with the majority of the house, keep your mouth shut and then at the right time..... STIKE! It's a classic game that works well. Ask Will, Dani, and Lisa. All sat back and let others call the shots and all of those three were control freaks but they laid back in the beginning and just made sure they weren't the target. She was suppose to have known this game. You don't do what she did at week 3. You just don't. The majority of long term fans of the game on this board all said the second she made her choice she literally gave up all money and sure enough she's packing the following week. She wouldn't even be up this week had she played with the majority. She would have showed solidarity with them and they would have went after the stooges as planned. All she had to do while Nate was hoh was sit back and shut up. She never stopped talking game. Way too early. Last week she was so full of vengence because justin kept filling her mind full of crapola that he pressed the perfect button in her.

Omegabubbles

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lori was a nice woman. I have no idea what Dana is, but I know it isn't good.

Wendo

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Speaking of Jun...anyone notice how she's gotten herself back "in good" with Erika and Ali? They're laughing with her, joking with her, Jun's pointed out things about Dana's supposedly not campainging against her. Smart move by Jun, she appears "less threatening", becomes more of a friend, etc. Thus, slowly removing whatever target was on her back. LOL!

I'll give Jun credit...she's workin' it GOOOOOOOD!

C1mag

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Omega I honestly think Dana is a good person outside this game. She is just too high strung to play this game. This game is not won in weeks one two and three. Sit back should have bene her game plan. She was in with the majority and thats how you want it. All the freaking out was her own added stress. She makes for good tv but she was a lousy game player.

Lovedana

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, from my recollection, the houseguests repeatedly called Lori a nutcase because of the incident with Danielle (i.e., calling Danielle out). It had nothing to do with her nomination. If anything, she was well behaved about her nomination.

I do agree with you though that there's a parallel connection between Dana and Lori. And guess what! I actually liked Lori too. However, I felt, or feel, Dana was a stronger woman and would play it better though. Actually, I do think that if anything Lori and Dana are good individuals. They are only called nutcases because most people, at least in the USA, detest confrontation, love rumors, gossipping and hardly have the guts to openly state what disturbs them about someone else. As I said, if other houseguests were good players, they would have seen Danielle's true colors and nominated Danielle immediately. If I were in that house, I would have been after Danielle from the start. I said it when the show began and Danielle exhibited her behavior. It seemed clear to me that would be her tactic in the house if she failed to openly confront someone about a habit that could affect the welfare and health of every member (i.e., Gerry's failure to wash his hands). If the houseguests were smart and of course if we didn't get a twist, the results of the show would have been very different.

C1mag

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo I do think it's funny what Jun is pulling. They are all aware of it thanks to Dana. She sorta outted her plan to play the fence. They all predicted Jun would do this. We all know whoever gets the next hoh thats who Jun will sit with at the end of the day. And now you see Jun going and fueling Dana. I'm tellin ya Jun really cooked herself in this game. Another lousy player that had a good plan but got thrown off by Danas emotional game of " you must not talk to the other side"

Omegabubbles

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1- I respectfully disagree with you.I do not think Dana is a nice person outside of the house. She is simply the "controlling broad" of this season. They never win the 500k and never will because they act the way they do, but every year we have to put up with some type of nija woman. At least this time she's leaving early.

Maris

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
a broad?????

Wendo

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lovedana, I think I'm going to have to disagree about how Lori handled her nomination. She stopped sleeping and really lost herself in the game. Had she been more calm, she might've not gotten evicted.

As to the term "nutcase", it's not that I think she's literally a nutcase. I don't. I like Lori...outside of BB. But, her "behavior" in the game, especially after being nominated, was very nutcase like.

C1mag, yep, Jun goes in and continues to fuel Dana against Erika and Ali. Basically, keeping Dana's "end vote", yet staying good with the other players. But, you are right, the original alliance people are aware of Jun's manuevers.

Jennywa

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dana seems very self-centered to me. Always talking about herself. I don't think that personality trait changes outside the house.

C1mag

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Love that whole situation with Lori about Gerry was actually started by the three other girls. Dani happened into the conversation. They had all decided they did want to confront him but privately. What Lori did wrong was FREAKED out and FORCED them to do it in front of everyone and when she snapped her fingers and started yelling Dani said, "alright I'll do it, bring him in here" By that time Lori had already been a lose canon. You think it's great when someone is confrontational. Thats all cool except this is a game and you want to avoid that. I don't blame Dani at all for the incident. She was forced to confront him but by the end of the game some how she had become the author of the situation. I gave her credit for doing what she said she would do when all the others had been talking about it. Lori begged the house to humiliate him in front of everyone. Dani actually gained points with the majority of the house for dealing with what Lori DEMANDED they do and Dani spoke to him respectfully. What Lori pulled is a real good example of finally putting the noose around your neck. Again another reason to understand how Dana played herself out of the house. By herself she took the rope and with her mouth put it around her neck. I can't stress enough the theory to shut up and let the others play this game and sit back. I disagree that Dani would have been an early target. She played with the majority early on. She understood all of them and realized who the wanna be leaders were and let them believe they were in control. She watched those who hated that leadership and knew who to go to at the right time to plant the seed to take control of the house. Dani was so good at playing the game early on that the woman even kept her promise to Lori and voted to keep her in the game that first week and she told all the others she was keeping her in because of the promise. Dani sat in the background durring the game and all the talking she did about others was repeating what every one else had first said. To date I think she was the best player of the game. So good in fact that she was never even nominated and also protected her true alliance from day one. The d.R. which should have been a safe heaven was what did her in. I think that sucks and apparently the show thought so as well as they have changed the rules to try to avoid that.

Wendo

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL at broad!

Found this in the dictionary:

Main Entry: broad
Function: noun
Date: 1659
1 British : an expansion of a river -- often used in plural
2 slang : WOMAN <---------- ****

LOL!

Scandalousplaya

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's so funny how everyone keep saying that Danielle was the one talking about Gerry's handwashing incident, but it wasn't just her. Chiara, Lisa and Tonya were the ones right in the middle also Josh and Eric. It was Danielle that went toe to toe w/ Lori. I do believe Lori is a great person for sticking up for Gerry, but who knows what kind of player she would have been if she stayed longer in the game. She was the first evicted and personnaly the first spared from Big Brother psychological torture. Don't get me wrong, I do Danielle was very mean and nasty about Gerry, however do I think she's a bad person? Absolutely not....she's a nice person that did horrible things in that house. She wasn't the only one.

C1mag

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The reason that I think Dana is a good person outside this game is because I think she would be a loyal friend. She may be off the hook with the mouth but you could take a time out from her if it got like that. She really did play this game so wrong. Her demise is so textbook that ask her in a year if she should have remained with the originals and she is gonna tell ya.. Yes!

Nexell2

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Who cares? At least Nicole and Dani didn't win the big check and Dana do right is leaving. Bye Bye.

C1mag

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now if you wanna talk about someone just being cruel that would be Jun. She isn't just sharing strategy with both sides she stirs up the hatred with insignificant crap that only causes stress and won't ever change the outcome of the game. Well, other than she is played out and both sides know what she tried to pull. Her time will come as well.

C1mag

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
but Nexell the big difference is that both Nicole and Dani actually walked right into the winner circle. 50k should really be everyones goal when they enter. Anything above that is icing on the cake. Both of those women were winners in this game. Dana flat out gave the money away. As Erkia put it in the D.R. She held her hands up and blew the money in the air.

Lovedana

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess the lesson to be learned is never to trust anyone. I mean, let them earn your trust. The way events have uncovered so far has made me think about this and it's saddening. It seems to me that human nature isn't good. In any case, I'm also surprised and somewhat disappointed in Dana's emotional responses. I never understood the constant statement that she was an emotional person because I didn't see it (based upon what I saw on TV and how she described herself).I can also understand though. Unlike Amy, whom people ironically loved, Dana's emotional responses seem genuine (not just that of a Drama Queen). I guess you can't please anyone? I mean, if she remained cold and feisty, she would be called a ruthless woman and a witch. If she cried, then would be called mentally unstable, emotional, psycho, etc.

As for Jun, I expect her to last for as long as Josh did. Remember Josh would spread news, even when false. The difference is Jun's voice isn't so loud. Jun cooks. And I'm not sure Jun explicitly makes many deals as Josh did. Basically, Jun is a combination of Nicole (taking over cooking for her own advantage), Danielle (gossipping but not as strong as Danielle's) and partly Josh (leak out).

Maris

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
YOu have a point there C1. Remember Dana told Jun all about her conversation with Erika right after she had it. So Jun acting all shocked about Dana with Erika is all hot air. Dont also forget that Dana found Jun alone in the desert room with Erika. When Jun came out, Dana was in the shower and Jun said it was strange, she and Erika never talked about anything. So Jun is playing it her own way, quietly, a word here and there. She is going back to her original game plan which is the winner's game plan.

Nexell2

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1- Nobody can ever take away the joy I felt at seeing Nicole and Dani lose the big check. These two women could not envision themselves as coming in 2nd but they did. Dani living in California made it even better, a place where 50 thousand is not a lot of money. I'm also glad Dana is leaving now. I can't take anymore.

Wendo

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lovedana, in the game that is BB, I would agree, the lesson to be learned is..Never Trust Anyone. (Remember Ali said that in Friday's show. She doesn't trust ANYONE, only herself. I'd bet Jun feels the same way.)

But, in the game that is LIFE, nah. You have to sometimes put yourself out there and trust people, even if you do get hurt sometimes. If not, it could lead to a lonely existence.

Also, don't be disappointed in Dana. She's really not reacting all that differently than other HG's past. As much as she thought she was suited for BB, she wasn't. No biggie. It's not like she lost half a million dollars. She only had a 1 in 13 chance. Basically, you can't lose money you never had in the first place. Once this show is over, and the HG's have time to decompress, she'll be happy she did it, glad she has the experience. And, she's likely to have gained new friends as well.

Anyway, anyway...it's just BB...when all is said and done, it's just a game.

Lovedana

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL! I was just as happy, Nexell2. However, Wendo, C1mag, Bastle(?) and a couple of others really loved Danielle. There was so much controversy than there is this year. (Those fun days are missed.) I think it was a combination of Roddy and Danielle's presence. At first people ignored Danielle's presence and focused on Roddy's hypnotic character. Then when Roddy's power gradually seemed challenged, people began to see Danielle's strength, albeit not in a conventional or an intellectual way.

I was so pleased to see her come second on an almost unanimous vote. I really disliked Roddy, but, as time went on, I came to appreciate him and would have voted in his favor if I had to choose between Danielle and him for first prize.

This year, I can't really say that there's anyone with such strong and distinct personality, except Dana. Jun is passively aggressive, but it doesn't stand out or seem unique.

Maris

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As much as Dana kept saying you cant trust anyone in this game, she did. She was gullible and just believed whichever alliance she was in. Even when they were plotting against her she just so wanted to believe them. Jack certainly told her the truth about it was always going to be 6-0 and she looked for any excuse really not to believe it.

I think she does work on emotions and is extremely impulsive but I do think she is probably a great friend to have. She was just not cut out for this game and she even said so today. In a way I feel sorry for her becuse Jun is punishing her and promoting this whole campaigning thing when Jun herself knows it wasnt true. Jun is playing the game. Dana wanted friends and game. That cant happen.

Zachsmom

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Dana is probably a great friend to have. Extremely loyal. She's drive me bonkers though.

Wendo

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, I totally agree. 100%.

I also agree with C1mag that, outside this game, she's probably a great person and a very loyal friend.