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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Is CBS trying to FORCE us to like Robert? ggrrrrr!:
Archive through August 21, 2003
Chief1 | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 07:35 am     Someone please shed some light on last nights' show. I am REALLY pi$$ed that BB4 is turning out to be the ROBERT show! They haven't spent that mush time on any of the other HGs, and it's getting old fast and furiously. Maybe they're trying to use his daughter's cuteness to boost ratings or something. Whatever the reasons, it's high time they started delivering the so-called exciting BB goods, or just admit to the public that their creative geniouses have fallen short on the job! |
Animaldr | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 07:56 am     I thought the same thing. They did a long segment on him and another showcasing the 3 Stooges. I was wondering why TPTB didn't profile Justin, especially since they knew he was the one walking out the door last night. As a side note, I was watching the live feeds when dinner arrived last night. Once again, Robert started shoveling food in his mouth while the other HG's were still setting the table. The cameraman was having fun doing closeups on his voracious eating style. I wish they would show some of that on the TV show! |
Boberg | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:10 am     Why isn't Robert being portrayed as he is on the live feeds? Does he really have connections as he kept telling Justin and Dave? The TV only audience is getting a squed(sp) picture of him..Why is BB so partial to Rob? Why absolutely no segment on Justin's family and friends last night, yet we were treated to yet another (the 3rd one I believe) of the WONDERFUL, LOVING GUY Robert. RYN you have connections and are all powerful...please find out for us what is going on! LOL It is driving me nuts..I sat there telling my husband last night what a misleading portrayal of Robert that BB is giving us on TV! WWWWWHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYY? and stop it! |
What555456 | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:21 am     <> Put yourself in Arnold's shoes. What sells better to the type of audience he is trying to attract -- showing Robert to be the jerk he is? Or showing him as a loving father being separated from his child? If you go with the loving father, you cannot make him a jerk in all other ways. Think along these lines, then watch the way BB uses selected footage and the carefully selected dialogue (even when the show is supposedly live with Julie) and you will understand how Hollywood creates images and why they do it. It is a fascinating process and worth watching it unfold. If you learn it, you will never again look at a celebrity's image and consider it any where near the truth. You will understand how well a false image is created and how many people accept that image as truth, or even close to the truth. While you may not have the insight into the truth that you get from BB because of the live feeds, you will at least know enough to always recognize that celebrity images are as phony as a $3.00 bill. (sd) |
Csnog | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:39 am     Arnold, Mike Boogie and Robert are connected. This smells to high heaven. Wonder if that has anything to do with it. Arnold is pulling a scam on the TV audience. The American public hates being lied to. What they are doing is manipulation not a true interpretation nor a true look at the personality's of the HG's. On the other hand Arnold is laughing all the way to the bank. |
Gina8642 | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:43 am     I already posted this in another thread, but some may not have seen it. I too was constantly bothered by Robert's editing. On the live feeds I've been incredidbly ofended by his extreme misogyny. But I realized that the protrayal has everything to do with ratings. They will not show Robert in misogynistic light, unless they think it can improve their ratings, or if they absolutly have to to explain what is going on in the plotting/decision making of the HGs. From my other post: For example - They show Allie being a tramp. This is also for ratings. Our society, especially the male segment, has a facination with these type of women. They condemn them, call them sl$ts, etc. But then they go out and buy Penthouse, Playboy, and Stuff magazines. That sort of stuff sells to an important part of viewing demographic CBS wants to attract to this show. (Not the type I notice here at the clubhouse however - LOL). They don't sell large numbers of magizines with pictorials of non-trampy women. Notice even out saintly Jee, who condems Allie for being annoying and tramping around, starts asking about her about her sex life occasionally, clearly getting some vicarious pleasure from the questioning. Robert's misogyny on the other hand is simply repulsive. Showing it in it's full form wouldn't increase viewership any. On the other hand - Robert's love of his daughter warms the heart. The tear-jerking segments on the loving dad missing the sweet little daughter increase viewership more than misogynistic rants. Tonight they showed the bit on Robert not wanting to settle on a single woman, but the made it sound all-in-good-fun instead of repulsive. A little happy music, a laughing ex-wife, BB put a happy face on all of it. (BTW - ICK!!!) It really is extremly annoying - but CBS and the BB staff care WAY more about ratings than the accurate protrayal of any of these folks. If accurate protrayal wins them ratings - great!!!! If not, creative editing is used. A note on editing: Because the show is truly happing as they go along BB can't veer too far off of reality in their editing but sometimes they do. Remember last year they completely avoided showing any of Dani's less kind attributes (that many here at the clubhouse were screaming about). The TV viewing public had no clue. All of a sudden the last episode or two that had to do major back pedeling to try to explain why she was going to lose in a landslide. This year they had to spend a portion of each Friday's show explaining what was actually going on in the house which lead up to whoever's eviction on Wednesday. Why - because the work so hard trying to make the eviction suspensful, they completely obfiscate what actually occurs alliance wise prior to the vote. |
What555456 | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:44 am     Everything Hollywood does is a scam on the American (and world) public. They make no bones about it and even give university courses in how to do it. It is not dishonest. They are very upfront and truthful about it. It is the public that chooses not to see it for what Hollywood openly tells us it is --fantasy. Therefore, it is the public that is at fault when we become incensed that Hollywood is not telling the truth. |
Tabbyking | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:45 am     well, the booger connection has been pretty clear all along: robert cannot keep his fingers out of his nose. i am surprised that he supposedly is a casanova and women fall for him once he salsas. sheesh...he lisps, has hair like he just got out of bed, picks ad "nose-eum", and i don't find him attractive at all. |
Spunky | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:56 am     And yet Robert is very low on the CBS popularity poll...that should tell Arnold something. I wonder if his daughter even understands the magnitude of this public judgement of her own father. Arnold should not have concerns about tramautizing a child since it's her father who chose to run this risk. Enough of Robert, he'll go soon... |
Cliotheleo | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:59 am     Hah? You think the kid goes to school and her classmates kid her saying "The Internet's making fun of your father, they say he's a nose picker!" Somehow I can't imagine that happening. |
Lakegal | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:29 am     I am only worried that BB may find a way to manipulate Robert into being the winner. Ewww! It is getting tiring trying to explain to people who watch the show and don't have the feeds that this is not the real Robert. I wish they would just ignore him on the TV show if they can't be honest. It was terrible that they went on about Robert again and didn't show anyone from Justin's background and yet they knew he was the one leaving. We know Justin has a supportive family because they sent nice things when he was in the HOH room. Where were they lastnight? |
Saggkl | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:37 am     Cleo that would depend on how often the parents make the comment in front of her classmates. |
Cliotheleo | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:39 am     And I'm guess that happens almost never. It's a big deal to US, but it's not like they're talking about Robert's nose picking on CNN. The show's not THAT popular. |
Friktion | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:42 am     OK, ladies! How many of us would fall for Robert just because he's a good Salsa dancer? NOT!~ That would work for about a day or two until you figured out his personality stank! |
Chief1 | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:44 am     If Arnold is showing Robert to be a loving father being separated from his child, that's fine. BB already spent too much time proving that over, and over again. But what's really happening here, is that Arnold is underestimating the intelligence of the viewing audience. CBS has to realize that we are far from stupid, as we can both read and watch live feeds. It's okay, I guess if Hollywood puts it's spin on storylines when the viewing audience doesn't have the inside scoop. In that case, we wouldn't know any different. CBS is probably only doing it to protect themselves ... so they wouldn't be portrayed as home wreckers. They know Elaina watches her dad and wants to be proud of him. It won't affect my opinion of him, though, or my decision to kick CBS to the curb! |
Saggkl | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:47 am     I am talking about the parents that watch the feeds. If they make comments about Robert like they do on these boards, in front of their kids. Kids pick up on those things. very quickly and would comment if they knew it was her father. |
Gina8642 | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:48 am     Justin's family was probably not interested in appearing on TV. Justin has said, while he loves them and lives in the same area, he only sees his parents about 3 times a year. Not everyone wants to appear on TV. Robert on the other hand is a total LA boy. He thinks there is nothing better than being on TV. Also, he's said his daughter does some 'work' (not sure what - print ads, commercialas are a good guess). Elena (Rob's daughter) appearing on TV may help Elena get work. I think she's totally cute, and comfortable with cameras. Rob and his ex-wife are probably thrilled that their daughter is getting so much 'face' time. It's like a mini audition for future work. She may even speak spanish, which would make her even more marketable. |
Cantremember | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:02 am     Gina--that is exactly it. BB can only interview/edit people who agree. Robert's segement had more to do with NO JUSTIN FAMILY and less to do with the editor's loving him. Someone can surely go back and look at past interviews with evicted house guests to see when they had support and when the did not. Of course they had a segment with robert on tuesday, he won America's choice (who stuffed the ballot?). The three amigos tribute was just that--focusing on the break up of these cute little 8 year olds just before the big bad wolf blew their clubhouse down. |
Maris | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:05 am     Nobody can force me to like Robert. Will never happen. |
Tabbyking | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:05 am     i think his daughter probably already knows her dad picks his nose. it's a fairly constant occurence. no biggie. aside from his little mannerisms, he is not very likable IMO, mainly because of his attitude toward women. i just wonder who all these women are that supposedly find him attractive, so that he can sample all of them til the day he dies? i mean, his ex-wife is very attractive, erika has some nice features (although i sometimes find her kind of 'horsey' looking...not as bad as princess anne, lol...) i just keep thinking that when his daughter grows up and falls in love, if she falls for someone who cheats on her, dad will want to skin the guy alive! |
Cricket | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:12 am     I too posted my disgust at BB making Robert look decent in another thread. I'm wondering if he'll take sides with his daughter's husband when she grows up. It seems he doesn't like women much. |
Katlady53 | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:13 am     I don't care how many tears Robert cries or how many times he expresses love for his daughter. I don't like him. I cringe at the thought of what kind of advice he'll be giving his daughter in the future when she starts dating... |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:21 am     Okay _ I will agree totally that CBS is editing in such a way as to show Robert in a light that is inconsistent with his true behavior as witnessed by us live feeds watchers. My point it "so what?". As I read somewhere in another thread, it doesn't matter anymore. The viewers getting to know the true nature of the HGs in BB1 mattered.....because the viewers were the ones that voted. It also mattered to some degree in BB2 and BB3....because the evicted HGs got to see what was going on on the live feeds and the entire broadcasts shown several times a week, which showed a lot of behavior and remarks evident only in the DR sessions. But now, it's BB4....the public doesn't vote. The evicted HGs don't get to see the live feeds, nor do they get to see the full brodcasts, but rather an edited version that, as I understand it, does not include the DR comments. (Who knows what else is edited out of the versions the evicted HGs get to see?) So....CBS has edited the presentation of Robert as a nice man for one reason....to make for a more entertaining show. They paint him with a flattering brush because it makes for good tv to have a loving, overly emotional father in the mix. The bottom line is that it makes no difference in the game. It doesn't matter how CBS shows them at all....except as to how it affects the ratings. It doesn't matter how truthful the editing is...it doesn't affect the progress of the game or the final outcome. It *only* affects the sensibilities of us live feed watchers because someone we see as despicable is portrayed as a hero. But hey....it's Hollywood! |
Mamie316 | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:21 am     And what in the world do all of these beautiful women see in Robert? I am truly at a loss...I mean WOW, he can salsa dance. That's always the first thing I look for in a man.. |
Lorry | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:30 am     I like Robert.... I like them all to be honest. The important thing about people is, that you either accept them as they are, or you don't accept them at all in your life. What Robert is, who he is, how he thinks, it's all what he has seen and heard and learned from his family, friends, and environment. Any child raised in an atmosphere that is negative, or has been treated negatively, will grow up to hold those ideas firmly in mind. What we see on our TV is not the sum of Robert, but parts of Robert. We are focusing on the bad, suspicious of the good... No one can be themselves in that environment... and if his real life is somehow different, cruder, harder than our own... we cannot discount him as a person. Robert did not grow up in a bubble... his personality, his attitudes are simply reflections of his environment. If he is tainted, crude, and uncouth.... he is still doing his best to try and get through his life... and he certainly will make mistakes.. we all do. Pulling oneself up from a bad environment takes a lot of inner strength... I have a feeling Robert is trying just that.... a little encouragement, a different environment.... I have hope.. Hope for Robert... hope for my children... hope for all of us. Negativity breeds negativity. The world has changed... the family has changed, morals and ethics have changed.... and sadly it does not appear to be changing toward the better... but it will get better... society will complete this cycle and the next cycle will change society and how we think and act. JMHO |
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