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Maris

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
not yet, but he is mad at her and he just told her he was done with her. I bet he is feeling all warm and fuzzy for saving her.

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shall we start calling Nate Gerry jr? Using the veto may be something that quickly leaves the memory of the person it's used to save. Unfortunate too.

Seanflynn2003

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Particularly if he really prefered Dave <g>

Lurknomore

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WTF is wrong with BB (boy that's a loaded statement lolol). But it FINALLY got semi-interesting. Ali called Nate in and wanted to explain why "he didn't get her." And maybe we would have seen/heard if there is any strategy going on we don't know about but BB calls for a lockdown and throws them outta the house. WTG BB, interrupt a potentially rare semi-interesting conversation.

Cricket

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just figured out what Ali's attraction to Justin is. He is the only one who has said NO to her. The other night she asked if he got the veto would he save her. He said NO. She just can't believe that she can't win his love somehow. What a wrench in her heart/gut it must be to see him with Dana.

What a silly, silly girl she is to even think she has an alliance with him. It is one-sided for sure. For her to dis Nate now after he saved her is just wrong.

Nate is not gay. Just because he doesn't come on strong to all the girls does not mean he is gay. Maybe he actually has to have feelings for the person. He did kiss Michelle and said he would date her outside the house. He just said he is bashful. My brother was very very handsome. Think Mel Gibson with darker hair/Rory Calhoun combo. He rarely dated and met his wife at 23. She was probably his first real girlfriend. They had 3 sons. Nowadays everyone would probably assume he was gay. Oh no, he wasn't; he was just very bashful. He died of cancer at 44. His passion as a young man was cars, not women. Ali is so very wrong to A S S U M E. Ya know what that makes, lol.

Missy2

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe ali was testing justin by telling him that she thought nate was gay...

???

Maris

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am sure that Nathan would have approved that plan Missy. Ali is doing as Lancecrossfire is doing, she is doing a Marcellas. Turning on the person that saved her because she resents him and any idea that she might owe him. Men are supposed to owe HER.

Sbw

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nate was not a target for Dana until he saved Ali. Guess he should have left that target off his back and let her go......

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would love for Justin to holler out loud right now to Nate and Ali in the hammock that he didn't think that Nate was gay like Ali claimed. LOL That would help her placation of Nate....NOT! :)

Watching2

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I'm just reading this thread for the first time and have no idea what's gone on since I signed off last night...but.... remember Nate making OUT with Allie when he was HOH? Of course, just because he does or doesn't, doesn't mean he's gay. A lot of my gay friends say they acted like horrible homophobes before they accepted themselves. If Nate was, he's probably full of a lot of self-hate because of the type of religion he's involved in. I've spent far too many hours & years helping people who have been through the experience of thinking God will hate them, some of them even tried "ex-gay programs", getting married, and contemplating suicide at its worst, because they just can't stand living with the belief that God will hate them.

One of the things I do with a good majority of my time (esp. when I'm not here :)) is helping people who are going through this own personal hell. I've cried with enough people, honorary adopted a son, and spent all night, somtimes for months talking to people who've been in this situation and helping them believe God does love them, just as they are. They're not a mistake, they're not evil, they're not disordered, there not........ you name whatever you can think of gay people have been told.

When I said in another thread I've been known to "take to the streets" for my friends, what I was talking about is a national ecumenical group who goes to different church conferences trying to get them to at least tone down, if not stop, they're anti-gay rhetoric. It's REALLY killing people, either by their own hand, or by those who use what they've "heard" even though they practice no faith of their own, as an exucse to beat and often kill GLBT people.

The fact is, only Nate knows for sure and it's his business. I don't believe anyone has the right to "out" another person. It's a personal decision. I just like to help those who are struggling with it. (And yeah, I'm a het mom married mom of 3, but I'm dedicated to helping stop the hate and misinformation.)

Ok...stepping off my soapbox now..... :)

Seanflynn2003

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You sound like a saint Watching
The world would be better if there were more like you

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Watching2 - I applaud your efforts with this issue in the real world! The world needs more people like you.

I think Ali's remarks that started this thread was not so much whether or not Nate is gay, though....but rather that Ali was saying he was gay *to a houseful of homophobes*. It appears that Ali is always going around and saying things that are untrue for reasons that few of us can fathom. Whether he is gay or not, Ali has consciously gone out and attempted to undermine any respect that the rest of the HG may have had for him! (Not that being gay is bad or deserves disrespect....but the house is full of homophobes, so her making such a statement could have no effect other than making her appear like a liar or to undermine Nate!)

Why would she do that? She's just plain twisted. Nate is her best ally and now she has said things that will make him distrust her even more.

Btw, does Dana know what Ali said? You know for a fact that Dana sure won't keep it a secret to protect Ali! LOL

Waitaminute....I just remembered something. Didn't Ally and Dana each say something yesterday about BB telling them to tone down the cursing? Didn't Ally say this to Nate and even remark that they (BB) were really scaring her? It just occurred to me that Ali may be trying to use the HG's homophobia to incite them to call Nate a f#ggot. If so, she might just be trying to get the others to say something unnacceptable in order to possibly get a penalty nomination....? Ya think?

If so, she is even more detestable that I already thought.

Watching2

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sean & Sanfran,

I'm no saint, believe me! All it takes is having an open mind, an open heart, admitting your own mistakes and doing what is right and just. I didn't really "pick this ministry", it kinda picked me. I just said OK... and my life has been better ever since. Who I applaud are the gay people who still have faith despite all the rotten hateful things which have been said to them and done to them in the name of religion. I'm truly blessed by them. They made me a better person and a better mom. I can quite honestly say, I am inspired by them to keep on keeping on. :)

I really need to go read the feeds and see what has gone on all day and what the heck Allie is doing. Sheeeeeeeeesh...she is an idiot if she's turning on her best ally so far. And I was about to admit I liked her. Check that... LOL

Minnyace01

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is my opinion on the Ali-Nate fiasco. I really feel that they do have an attraction for one another. Early on when Nate was HOH, they were making out for quite a long period of time and they agreed that they could not be seen as a couple. This went on ok until Nate hit it off with Michelle. When Michelle told Ali that she and Nate had a make out session plus, this really hurt Ali. Everything stayed status quo until after the romantic dinner the other night. Remember seeing Nate watching Ali in the hot tub with Justin, besides giving away their plan, he was seething that she was trying to seduce Justin. This was Ali's way of getting back at Nate. Well, it didn't work for Ali, and Nate scolded her pretty good later that night. Things were a little bit calmer but then the other night Ali had her little fling with David. Nate must have known about it based on the conversation that he had with Ali earlier today. When she tried to give him a hug, he told her to get away, that he knew where she had been. Earlier today, while playing cards with the Jee and Jack, Nate told them that he loved Ali but could never date her because he could never trust her. So, there it is. Ali wants Nate, but Nate doesn't want Ali because of what she does. It could have been good, but she screwed it up, pun intended. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

Xarph

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It seems to me like one of America's favorite passtimes is to attempt to out gays. Half the world has an active "gaydar." Even in this closed little world of BB fans, gaydar talk has been going on since BB1. There was speculation that Curtis was gay, that Josh was gay and some even thought Eddie was gay.

This gaydar speculation is carried on not only by homophobes but also by gay supporters and gays themselves. I don't like from any source but I do acknowledge that it exists. It has sadly become a normal thing to do.

So, what's the big deal if Ali is operating a gaydar?

Xarph

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
errr...I think SFJF may have answered my question...

Ali is attempting to out Nate in a housefull of homophobes. I would have to agree that the operation a gaydar in such an enviornment is not helpful.

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 04:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Xarph - But if Ali is just lying, it isn't gaydar at all....it's just lying.

Minnyace01

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 05:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali is having a temper tantrum because she can't have Nate, simple as that. She thinks that all men should be glad to have her, but she ran into one with a little bit more class than she usually finds. Justin was right-this girl may be a pathological liar.

Secretsmile

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 05:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just my opinion, but I don't think Ali had any background in her reasoning for saying she thinks Nate is gay. I personally think that Ali says alot of things without thinking about what she's saying.

For someone who brags constantly about her intelligence, she seems to spout off with no forethought what so ever.

Max

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 05:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali seems to like to stir up trouble by saying things she knows will inflame the emotions of others. The gay comment about Nate is just one of those. Either that, or she's a genius and was testing to see if Justin would keep his word and be quiet about it. (I doubt the latter is true, though.) To me, she acts like most of the other folks in the house -- a self-centered drama queen who will do whatever it takes to feel like the center of attention. I think Jack and Erica are the only ones who don't do this on a regular basis (but of course, Erica does have the crying thing down pat!).

Minnyace01

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 05:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Secretsmile - her reasoning was this, he doesn't want to f**k me, he must be gay.

Maris

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 05:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it was a calculated move to drive Robert, Jee and Justin away from Nathan. She knew that Jee and Robert were hanging with Nathan and what better way to ensure her security if she turns the men away from Nathan. It was a nasty game move and he has no idea she did it.

Bluerose

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 05:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It takes someone like Ali to get rid of someone like Dana because nobody else has the guts to do it. I am not defending Ali's comments but if it's a tie vote between Justin and Dana,Ali said she would boot Dana and that is exactly what she should do. How quickly we forget life with Dana as HOH.

Minnyace01

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 05:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bluerose - I don't think that the problem is getting rid of Dana, the problem is not putting up both Dana and Justin, because if Justin is not put up and he wins the veto, he will take Dana off the block, agreement or not.

Secretsmile

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 05:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Minnyace01, I accept it's your OPINION that Ali feels that way, my opinion is that Ali has said many things spitefully that is not grounded on anything other than she is spiteful. For example, Justin is not a midget. I can respect that you have your own views.