Is Justin Jack's Roddy in this season Big Brother?
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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Is Justin Jack's Roddy in this season Big Brother?

Scandalousplaya

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 09:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack has been trying to get this guy out, but unfortunately no one seems to be concerned about him. Marcellas stated it beautifully when he talked about Roddy...it's just not him personally that made him a threat; it's his influence over people.

Justin does have that same appeal in this seasons Big Brother. He turned Dana against her original alliance. He has Ali where he wants her. Is it just me or did you have a flashback to BB3 when you compare the dialogue between Justin and Ali w/ the same effect of Jason and Roddy (When Jason was HOH - debating to nominate Roddy). Justin was brilliant in letting Ali know that if she was to nominate him, then he had every right to nominate her when he became HOH. I think that scared her. Justin is the big threat and unfortunately, Jack is the only hg that sees it. If you ask me Justin looks pretty safe for a long time. He has Jee, Robert and Ali on his side. We will see if Jack is able to get rid of Justin. I'm sure if Jack was HOH he may nominate Justin w/ Ali. We will see.

Katlady53

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 09:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Scandalous, Nate also seems to view Justin as a dangerous player. If he gets HOH, I bet he'd put up Justin in a heartbeat.

Seamonkey

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 09:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think others know that Justin is dangerous.. of course his allies don't want him out yet.

Ministryoftruth

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 09:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jack would do better to put Justin up with one of the other stooges instead of Ali.

Scandalousplaya

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The question is who will Nate put Justin up against. He may be able to beat everyone due to the fact that it appears that Justin may have at least 3 votes to stay in the house. Ali may save Justin with the POV or worst she may vote to keep him. I think it may be too late to try to knock him down. If I was playing this game, I would go after his supporters first just to weaken his stronghold.

Scandalousplaya

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If I was Jack I would nominate Jee and Robert. Take them out one at a time. Then it is apparent that Jack isn't gunning for Justin directly. Justin will be so distracted to realize that Jack was stragetically gunning for him.

Lovedana

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think so at all. I would rather compare him to Eric or Hardy.

I wouldn't say that he turned Dana against her original alliance. Dana independently reached her conclusion, as they were conspiring to have her put up. If anyone had an influence, I would say it was primarily Jun. Funny Jun at some point advised her to go with the original 8.

The only reason Justin is feared is because of his physical strength. I think Jack really thinks of him as Hardy. He honestly wouldn't think that Justin has all of the mental strength. He's really afraid because Justin is charming and has physical strength, so he doesn't need to be intelligent. The reason Jack is trying to portray Justin as someone higher (i.e., intelligent and manipulative) is because he couldn't convince the other houseguests based on physical charm and strength alone. Alison would protest the idea that Justin is physically strong and charming the most, as would Nathan. You know the whole ego thing.... ;-)

Spunky

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The problem with Big Brother's evictions is that there are 'other players' you want out of the house first.. and Justin made sure not to alienate himself like Dana did and he's hanging in there without having won any competitions.
Roddy was a much stronger player, in my view, by now last year didn't Roddy already win something?

Xarph

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We can only hope the comparision is a good one. Roddy only made it half way through the game. If the comparison holds, Justin will not last much longer.

Earthmother

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They need to get rid of those <LC> girls who can't seem to function without a man first (ick, gag, puke) so no one will save his sorry a** when he finally does get put up...

Maris

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I would be very surprised if Jack stuck his neck out to get HOH. He is hoping he can slide through to the end. As it stands now. Jee, Jun and Justin will nominate Nathan and Jack if they get HOH and will evict Nathan. Robert will nominate Erika and Nathan. Nathan and Erika are the only shot for nominating Justin.

Jack and Erika I believe have made a big mistake which was to hold themselves apart from everyone. The exes and Alison even discussed it last night how neither Jack nor Erika have participated in the game, they are always sitting at that table in the backyard and it is time for them to go. They all said after Nathan goes, Jack will go next then Erika.

It will all come down to this weeks HOH. Jack and Erika may learn that last years strategy does not work two weeks in a row.

So I Justin, Jacks Roddy? No I dont think so. Jack's downfall will be to try and sneak to the end without lifting a finger. Of course we can anticipate his response to his being nominated, "these High School kids just dont know how to play a game. I mean look they nominated me, that just proves they are playing with their emotions and not strategy..............."

Seamonkey

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bottom line is if "jack wants" or "erika wants" then they need to get HOH and put it on the line.

My hope this week is that Jun wins HOH.. no one is considering that :) (probably not even Jun)

And Jun said last night she would nominate Nathan and ALI.. because Ali is capable of winning Veto and if she isn't on the block she might take Nate off.

Gina8642

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
oooh I like this question.

When I saw it, I was thinking Jack as Danielle. Is Justin his his Roddy? In this way I completely agree. Justin is like Jack's fixation. Everyone seems to have the person they dislike (for strategic or other reasons) the most and want out. It is different for every individual. However, the way Jack brings up Justin every two seconds as a threat, reminds me of Dani's 'He's the devil' convo.s.

Maris

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This week I would like to see a genuine HOH competition. Whether it is questions, or a skill, I would love if Julie doesnt announce the scores as the compettion goes along. Then they will all be too scared to throw the competition and will compete to the last second.

I am getting tired of these HGs throwing competitions. I remember in BBs long ago where they couldnt even talk about throwing competitions.

Lovedana

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"This week I would like to see a genuine HOH competition. Whether it is questions, or a skill, I would love if Julie doesnt announce the scores as the compettion goes along. Then they will all be too scared to throw the competition and will compete to the last second."

I so agree with you, Maris. I thought it was so wrong for her to mention the scores in the last HOH. People would do what BB2 folks often did: Throw the competition if they knew who was leading. It could also be distractive to some and make them panic too; hence affecting their performances.

Bohawkins

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Maris, and I would like to see a genuine HOH competition that does not include magic trick devices and pre-arranged houseguest positions. That last thing of putting ping pong balls down tubes with vacuum suction for those they wanted to win was almost identical to something I saw on the carnival circuit in Europe from my hippy days. I do hope that when the producers reach a certain stage in the show they will let real competitions occur.

There was just no way they were going to let the Dana/Jee group have HOH again last week, not after they had just had gone to the trouble of contriving that other ping pong ball shoot at Nathan to let him win POV.

Don't you know they hated to have to use two ping pong ball events in one week? But when you are fixing a competition you just can't beat ping pong balls for easy control.

Zachsmom

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
First of Scandalous I want to thank you for giving me 2 threads to speak about Roddy...you are well on your way to being my all time favorite poster (sorry Delilah). You know what they say "Three times is a charm".

I don't really see Justin as a Roddy. He's not that good and has not shown any ability to manipulate another HGs without them not knowing he's manipulating him. They see through him. Yes he is a threat, but I don't see him as a major threat...He just may be a threat that slips by.

Also, comparing Justin to Roddy is kind of like comparing Nate to Jason and well...that's just wrong on so many levels.

But..you're still well on your way to being my favorite poster..even though I disagree with you

Toolhound

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jack would put up Justin and Jun. Justin would be out because Jee will not vote out Jun.

Scorpiomoon

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ooops...I misread the title of this thread...um...ignore this post and carry on...

Slg21

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
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Cricket

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Scandalous, yes I think Justin just may be Jack's Roddy.

I think you answered your own question about who to put up with him when you said Ali would veto him. That's who Nathan, Jack or Erika should put up. Justin and Ali. After the way Ali has treated Nate, she deserves to be put up again.

Scandalousplaya

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jack and Erika really need to bring a third person in...it is apparent that they are out numbered...the most trustworthy person at this point is Nathan.

Like I said before they should not go after Justin directly, but take out his supporters one by one.

It's time for Erika and Jack to strike now. It is too bad that they didn't try to do a secret alliance. I find it very funny that everyone knows the alliance breakdown. I thought these people watched BB3.