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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: How could Jack and Erika be so blind???: Archive through August 19, 2003

Spunky

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Especially Erika believing her nice talks with Robert make her safe, at least from Robert, and Jack believing Ali and Jun are a bigger target than him, when we have practically everyone wanting to split the Erika and Jack alliance.

Jack may suspect he's going to be up but he really thinks Jun and Ali are the targets, when in fact he should worry about going up if he doesn't win HOH. Erika thinks she could be up but as a pawn with maybe Jun or Ali.

Erica and Jack even said" We'll be sitting pretty".. hello??????
How could they not see that they are BOTH targeted, and going up TOGETHER?

I'm not sorry for Jack if he doesn't see it coming...

Cameltoes

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, in Erika's case, she knows it is Jack they are going after and she can't win HOH next week so he'll be fighting for his own life. I hope Jun gives Jack a clue before Wednesday. The last time he thought he would be safe, she was the one who told him otherwise so they knew they had to get last week's HOH.

Gina8642

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack and Erika know they are targets, they repeatedly say so. They are 'sitting pretty' because Erika won HOH this week. Jack knows he is the biggest target. They try every day, every way they can to try to deflect that, but they know, all they do is talk about it. They frequently discuss other scenarios because that helps them plan and see possibilities. However, there hasn't been one delussional moment with these two that I've seen lately. It's to Erika's advantage to build friendly relations with everyone in the house, including Robert. Just because she is friendly doesn't mean she is blind.

Duncan

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Personally, I am pulling for Jack to win. Don't know that it will happen, but he is the only hamster there that I like. I will be sorely disappointed if he is indeed that blind. As far as Erika goes, any 33 year old woman who would go on National TV and say "I wanna be just like JLo" deserves whatever she gets.

Spunky

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But then why aren't they more concerned about their alliance ending as of next week and plan to avoid that. Even if Jack is the one voted out Erika should discuss with him the possibility of being left alone and maybe ask him advice on how to go about it. Instead she makes deals with Robert!!!
Jack's FBI skills should make him doubt Erika as well, instead he never once doubted her... not even in the DR.

Funnyfarm

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they know they are going up together, but one wlll survive - that person will join with Robert and Jee to get the floaters. I gather the being nice to Robert is perhaps to get him to nom Jack and Jun or ali, then one of the girls will go. I thought it strange when I read they were "sitting pretty" and wonder if that means they think they have a better chance at HOH this time with the girls "supposedly" on their side.

I agree ... sometimes I think they are clueless, then say something that seems like they do know what is going on ..... then it seems right back to clueless. Frustrating, isn't it.

Jack needs to get it together!

Cameltoes

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's too bad they didn't hear the Stooges' conversation more clearly. Justin suggested they get the alliances together to go after the floaters (as he would rather have Jack or Erika win than Jun or Ali) but Robert was totally against it. Would Jack have considered changing his vote if he knew he could work with Justin next week?

Kmjm

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Duncan, LOL, I think she was joking!

I have heard Jack and Erika discuss what would happen if one of them was voted out. In fact that's exactly why Erika has been friendly to Robert.

Spwisc

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika and Jack are acting similar to Justin/Jee when they were HOH in the fact that they feel totally safe. Anything could happen, it all depends on who wins HOH from week to week. Even Jee isn't safe from Robert.

Not sure if anyone has brought this up yet but who are you all hoping wins HOH Wednesday night and who do you think that person will put up??

Charvie

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have noticed that Jack and Erika have been clueless every week. It always happens every week, Jack comes up with some wacky off the wall never going to happen idea. Erika with hesitation goes along with it. And due to some big mouth, accidental way they find out the truth in the nick of time. It happens every week.

Cliotheleo

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spwisc, that's one of my favorite questions. I actually wish we had a whole thread devoted to "who do you want to win HOH and why?"

I'm always for the person who'll shake things up the most. Change the current flow of the game. Right now I'm thinking that person is Ali, maybe Jun.

Truth be told, I really want either Dave or Justin to win HOH, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that's not gonna happen. :)

Charvie

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jack needs to go. It was his fantasy plan that week that had David making stupid deals that didnt need to be made and resulted in him being booted that following week. It was Jack who instead of winning HOH to keep himself off the block let Erika do it and thus making her a target next week. It was Jack's bimbo idea that Erika cozy up to Robert, thus Alison is running around like a lunatic. I use to be a Jack fan, but so far all the man has accomplished to do was get everyone on his alliance booted. Maybe that is his strategy.

Gina8642

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure what they should be doing if they were more concerned - hide in the corner and cower? What exactly are folks supposed to do? What is the appropriate way to show concern on being voted out?

Spunky

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 11:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, the least Jack could do is to give Erika some advice... instead of keeping telling each other "I'd like to be with you in the finals", they should talk more about how to survive when the alliance is gone.
Erika never mentioned to Jack that she told Robert she wants him in the end and not Jack. Would Jack have told her to go to that extent to ingratiate herself with Robert?
They should be 100% sure their alliance is kaput next week and yet they keep dreaming...

Stro27

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They are blind if they think they can count on Ali or Jun to help them out in any way. All signs point to both of them throwing the next HoH competition, meaning it's Jack versus Robert and Jee. Unless it's another endurance competition, Jack is in trouble. It would be just the funniest moment ever if Jack, Ali, and Jun all threw the competition expecting the other to win it. That's what happens when you surround yourself with people expecting you to do all the work.

John32070

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 12:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Alison and Jun are more of a danger to Jack and Erika than what the remaining members of the stooges will be. Only way out of it for sure is for Jack to win the next HOH then hope for Erika to win again. If Jack wins tomorrow I hope he will consider putting up Alison and Jun and becoming more friendly with Jee.

Stingerman

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 12:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think so John because Jack knows he can't win against Jee in the end so if he gets HOH he will put up Jee and Robert.

Both Jack and Erica want either Jun or Ali at the end so they have a chance of winning the big prize. With Jee or Robert they won't get the votes they need to win.

Spunky

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 12:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Aaaaaahhhhhh, it's a vicious circle... I appreciate what John and Stingerman said, however Jun and Ali DON'T want to end up with either Erika or Jack knowing they'll lose to them.
So, it should be Jack and Erika trying to get Jee and Jun out and forget about the stooges for once, they need them in the end for a sure win. UNLESS the stooges' group outnumbers the original alliance in the jury and either Jee or Jack, or Jee and Erika, or Jee and Ali in the end Jee would win. Jun would lose to Jee as well because he was liked by both groups more than Jun.

Unfortunately the Erika/Jack alliance is doomed if Jack doesn't win HOH. So it could leave only Erika from the original alliance as Ali and Jun will no longer be floater but with Robert and Jee. Erika will be left all alone and out the window after Jack.

Beruthiel

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All this is making my head hurt!
All I know is, if Jack doesn't win this next HOH, they're both toast, and it doesn't matter what else they do and don't know, as long as they know he has to win!
That's as logical as I can be today, my brain's been fried by yesterday's record temperature.

Philamom

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 01:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Regarding the title of this thread, I don't think either one of them is blind. Jack clearly knows he is the next target. He also realizes he has to win HOH tomorrow to stay in the game ... but knowing he has to do it and actually doing it are 2 different things.

Not to put Jack down (cause I like him), but even with his being in good physical shape, there is no way to compensate for competing against people who are 30+ years younger than him. That's a huge difference. The aging process takes its toll, both mentally and physically (I'm 46, and I have "forties moments" more often than I care to admit, LOL).

Katlady53

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Philamom, while I totally agree withyou regarding the aging process (LOL), I think Jack's in a helluva lot better shape than I am, and I'm 8 years younger. Lol So far, none of the challenges really seemed so hard that Jack couldn't win them...did they??? I guess that's easy to say when you're on the outside looking in, though, huh? Lol!

Spwisc

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jack was throwing competitions just as Will did. He's in too good of shape to lose everything!

I'm hoping that Robert wins HOH tonite (just to get the house jumping) and he could put up Ali and Erika and either could go.

Kellirippa

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 03:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
(or tomorrow night?)

Philamom

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack is in wonderful shape ... I know a lot of men in their late 50s, and none of them are in the kind of shape that Jack is.

Even so, you can't fight mother nature. I'm in fairly good shape for 46 but, physically, I don't think I could beat my kids in anything (they range in age from 13 to 25). My youngest (a girl) can now beat me at arm wrestling ... it's rather humiliating, LOL. In my own defense, all my children are bigger than me, so I'm at a disadvantage.

And mentally, while I "know" more than my kids, their brains just work faster. I'm more likely to know the answer to a question -- however, if the kids also know the answer, they will be able to come up with it faster. My synapses just don't fire like they used to.

Anyway, I think these things affect Jack in competitions more than people realize. Yes, he's in great shape, and yes, he's smart -- but a 30-year age difference is hard to combat. Just my opinion. :)

Beruthiel

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hate having to say this, but, being Jack's age, have to agree with you, Philamon, especially re the physical part!