Archive through August 07, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
How unfair was the HOH competition?:
Archive through August 07, 2003
Philamom | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 03:28 am     I know there's been talk about the HOH competitions being rigged. I'm not sure if I believe they are or not, but last night's question about Ali really bordered on it for me. The question about the elephant ... Ali said that quote is written on her calendar, and that Justin has seen it. Ali told Nate that Justin had the advantage in that question. Justin himself even said something to the effect that the comp was bent in his favor. In comps like that, BB should avoid questions in which anyone's ex is the answer ... it gives an advantage to the ex. Anyway, I just wondered if anyone else saw the blatant unfairness in it. I'm off to e-mail CBS with my complaint (LOL, I know it doesn't do any good, but somehow it makes me feel better). If anyone wants to complain along with me, here's the link to CBS complaints. (hey, maybe if we bombard them with complaints ... probably won't work, but what the heck?) http://www.cbs.com/info/user_services/fb_global_form.shtml |
C1mag | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 03:55 am     Best of luck to ya but I don't think CBS give a hoot. I say let it ride. As viewers we are suppose to just enjoy the journey. It's not like we're gonna win the money. If it was a setup for Justin then apparently the show wants the guy around. Nothing we can do about it. Who knows.. Maybe the veto will be something Nate is extra good at. I know it's hard to not get passionate about it but the truth is this season was created for drama and less about the game. Nates not out of the game yet if that is what you are worried about and if next week they are gonna start voting live we may see a surprising eviction. |
Tasia | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 04:03 am     I felt the HOH Comp gave Justin a definite edge, but to face facts, except for last weeks HOH, Justin has been coming in 2nd everytime. I was terribly disappointed in Jack though, the first question was a "gimmee" for everyone and he blew it. Whether on purpose or not I don't know. I know theres another thread for that so I won't go on about it here. Ali does have that stuffed elephant she keeps on her bed in the BB House so that should have been a clue to someone else as well. Too bad David wasn't there . He would have got it considering how many times he tried to kill the darn thing. |
Philamom | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 04:16 am     LOL, C1, I'm not worried about Nate. I don't care for him -- in fact, I'll be quite happy when he walks out the door. And I like Justin. (In the thread about who do you NOT want to not win, my answers were Nate, Ali, Robert, Jun, and Dana.) So the outcome of the HOH competition isn't the basis of my complaint. I do think, though, that there should be a certain fairness to the questions. The question about the elephant gave Justin an obvious advantage, and I think questions concerning exes should be avoided. That's all I was trying to say. I know CBS won't give a hoot, but complaining to them makes me feel better ... it's a mental thing. Or possibly I'm mental, LOL. |
Debcakes | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 04:18 am     I don't think it was fair but that last question was kind of obvious even to me, especially with all the stuff that went on with Nate and Dave hiding Ali's elephant. The questions shouldn't have been so personal, though, in my opinion and the "ex's" did seem to have an advantage.... |
C1mag | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 04:22 am     Glad to see you are having fun with it Phila. I do think it was a bit one sided and even Justin said it was but thats the way it goes. As long as someone is watching I'm sure CBS will brush it off and move on. I still keep saying that something is missing this year. Now I would definitely write them a letter if I could figure out what it is that they are missing LOL At times I feel like I'm watching a dang frat house or something. |
Tdot | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 04:30 am     Shouldn't Nate have had an advantage after all the time he's spent with her? Seriously though, he has spent way more time with Ali than Justin, you'd think he would be the one who had the advantage, no? |
Scribe | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 04:31 am     Is there even a doubt that CBS inserted the question on purpose. Doubt it. |
Philamom | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 04:40 am     Tdot, the impression I got from the live feeds last night was that the quote about the elephant, which Ali gave on her questionnaire, wasn't an original quote. She took the quote directly from a calendar she has at home (it must be some kind of elephant calendar, was the impression I got). And Justin has seen the calendar and read the quote. He even said so. So that's why he had an advantage, not Nate. It doesn't matter how much time Nate has spent with Ali, there's no possible way he could have known the quote on her calendar. |
Tdot | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 04:48 am     Wow, I didn't know that. That's a little bit much, no? It's one thing to say, "Which HG said this: ___?" But to take a quote from something back home? Now I can see that Justin had a clear advantage over the others. Plus, the question was loaded towards Dave. |
Dogdoc | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 04:49 am     How could the producers have know that the quote was from an elephant calendar in Alison's house and thus Justine could have seen it? I think the stuffed elephant should have been a clue for all of them. |
Philamom | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 05:01 am     True, Dogdoc, the producers couldn't have known where Ali got the quote. That's why I think they shouldn't have used any questions involving anyone who still has an ex in the house, just because of something like this. Just my opinion. (And I thought the answer to the elephant question was Dave, too ... LOL, it just sounded like him to me. I even thought of Ali and her stuffed elephant, but then I thought, no, that's too obvious.) |
Lostintheglades | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 05:33 am     Yep...the producers don't care. Last nights HOH just prooves that BB does in fact rig the comps. |
Catkey94 | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 06:06 am     I sent in a complaint because I think that it was unfair to put that question in about Alison. That quote actually sounded like something David would say, and nobody would have known that Alison said it unless they had seen the calendar. Stuffed elephant or not. |
Philamom | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 06:16 am     Thanks for jumping on the complain-to-CBS wagon, Catkey. This is pretty funny ... I belong to several other internet groups (nothing to do with BB). In a postscript to an email I sent to the groups today, I voiced my complaint to them about the HOH competition (as if they care about BB, LOL). Anyway, to make a long story short, I told them I wrote to CBS to complain, and someone suggested that all the members of the group send a complaint to CBS, even though they don't watch BB. One group has over 500 members, I think, although the other groups aren't as large. I don't know how many will actually send emails, but it'll crack me up if CBS is flooded with complaints (and from people who don't even watch the show). |
Jagger | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 06:19 am     I see nothing wrong with the question, I got it right and I have never been in Alisons home. It should have been pretty obvious the way she has the elephant on her bed, the way people have been hiding the elephant. |
Crossfire | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 06:22 am     It seemed fairly straight forward to me as well. I thought it was a throwaway question that everyone would get. |
Cricket | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 06:33 am     Interesting posts. I too heard Ali and Justin talking about the calendar at her house. They definitely were giving questions so as to make it easy for a certain person. J, E & Nate were talking later and they were saying the next person would probably have been David (pictures on those blocks) and that Erika knew Dave best and probably would have gotten the question about him right. It seems the order BB went in mattered. Had they done a question about Dave before the Ali/elephant question, there was a good chance Erika may have won. It does seem contrived. I don't know how I would have answered that question. Yes, Ali has the stuffed elephant, but she also got a stuffed cat from home. Don't know if that fact would necessarily correlate to the question they asked that Justin won. The guys are just too goofy and cocky for me when they win. Very predictable and boring. |
Jpgramma | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 06:47 am     Thanks for posting that link Philamom. I used it. Suggested they needed to do some damage control to rectify their obvious rig. Told them it was time to come up with a creative twist to fix their big goof. |
Justareader | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 06:48 am     to be clear: The calander is one which she is in...(it was said last night and been mentioned before - it is with her dance squad) and it is a quote she said that is on the calander on her page. That is why it was on her BB questionaire. She is the originator of the quote and justin saw it because he was dating her at the time the calander came out. The way the question was stated gave the elephant a male pronoun leading most of the HG's to assume it was david and that is why only justin got it right. There was discussion in the house the entire night how it was geared for him. The HG's agree, yet it was also mentioned about her and her stuffed elly and they shoulda known ( hind sight and all that) some of this is JMO some is just the facts... |
Kaili | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 06:53 am     My first thought with that question was Dave because of that conversation about what you would take to a deserted island (or whatever it was- the time when he said something ridiculous like Tiger or Lion). You have to excuse me- I just woke up andI'm not thinking straight yet. Anyway, then I thought of Ali and the elephant but by the time I thought of that, I would have had the question wrong. I think it's a lot easier for us to get the answers right from our couches than it is when you're standing there with the pressure on you to win. That said, yeah, it totally favored Justin. I'm okay with that as long as it works out this way: Nate and Erika nominated, Jack gets veto and takes Erika off and Justin has no choice but to put up Ali or Jun. Hopefully it would be Ali and she would go. |
Whit4you | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 07:04 am     Damage countrol would be easy, just feature a segment with the 500 hours she's spent holding that ELEPHANT the past 3 weeks, and then repeat the quote. My first guess was Alison, had their been more time I would have probably 2nd guessed myself and thought Alison was to obvious and possibly changed my answer. If the comp was 'rigged' - it was rigged to Nate and Justin, not just Justin. |
Crazydog | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 07:11 am     I am not one for saying the competitions are rigged to make a particular HG the HoH, but I do think that question was unfair. Especially the placement of it. They had two easy throw away questions and then this third one was so hard. I remember an HoH last year where everyone went out on the first or second question except for one person. They really should have had questions about Amanda and Dave before Alison. Actually I think BB is quite stupid in that regard, I would completely mix it up and have one person be the answer to two questions. I was sure the elephant question was David. It sounded completely goofy, and come on, who really thinks the elephant is the king of the jungle? Lions, tigers, black panthers - all of them seem more likely answers. It's true that Ali has a stuffed elephant but as pointed out, she also has other stuffed animals. |
Maris | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 07:14 am     I agree, it should have been rigged for Jack and Erika. Not fair that this week it was Justin's turn. |
Philamom | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:08 am     I guess it just boils down to if you think it's fair when one HG has specific knowledge about another HG. In my mind, seeing or reading an exact quote on a calendar is not the same as seeing someone carry around an elephant. Kaili, I like your scenario with Jack winning veto and saving Erika (or vice versa, if Jack is nominated), but the only way it might possibly work is if Justin replaces whichever one is taken off with Jun. It would probably go something like: If Jun goes up: Votes to evict Nate: Jee, Robert Votes to evict Jun: Ali, Erika, Jack (and Ali's vote may be questionable) If Ali goes up: Votes to evict Nate: Jee, Robert, Jun Votes to evict Ali: Erika, Jack That's how I see it, anyway. |
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