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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: You know, BB should totally turn the tables on Jee: Archive through August 24, 2003

Cajundee

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This whole pb&j thing is ridiculous and the dumbest twist I've ever seen. Anyway, Julie specifically instructed that Jee he was not to discuss his vote with anyone until she announced the winner. Even though the house guests guessed it was him, he admitted it and told them the offer. Shouldn't he get a penalty or something for that? BB should throw the veto back up for grabs this week.

Puzzled

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, but they almost never enforce any of their so-called rules.

Sheilaree

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn;t think of that but I agree with Caljundee, but you knew they would have figured out who was the one who accepted.

Wgm

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that they should put the veto back up for grabs. They knew that Jee would accept the offer because they knew that he wanted the veto. It is not fair to the other HG's that HOH gets the veto.

Penpoint

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Since they all discussed how they voted, they all were in violation.

Dke1212

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
HOH always has the chance to get veto.

Stingerman

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Right Penpoint !!!!

The only fair thing to do now is remove the veto from this week.

Naja

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I listened to the instructions again. They were only not allowed to talk or communicate in any way "during" the competition itself. When Julie left, she said she will announce the winner a few hours after nominations. There were no instructions that they couldn't talk until she announced the the winner. Listening to the instructions, I in no way took it that they couldn't say who won once the comp was over.

Potterlily

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But Julie told Jee in the DR that he could not talk about any thing that was said in the DR.... So Jee should lose POV because he told about the deal he took.

Penpoint

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I imagine Julie's instructions in the DR were the same to everyone of the HGs.

Naja

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Julie said to Jee "Do not repeat anything discussed in this room until I announce the results"

Julie did announce the results to all of them while they were together on the couch. She said 1 or more of you have taken the offer. She announced the results, then they were free to talk. :)

Talon

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 07:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You could take it that way, or you could take it the harder way (pp) "outside of this room, do not talk about the things said, until have I make my announcment." To me, saying "One or more housegeust has accepted" isnt and announcement, it a leader/teaser. She then said "I will reviel the results several hours after the nominations.

My hubby things that they will twist it again, and give Jee a penailty of some sort.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 11:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, I just scanned the most relevent sounding threads and I saw no mention of Jee breaking the rule that Julie gave him....but he did!

After Julie finished her POV wheeling and dealing with the HGs and right after Jee took the offer, Julie said (and I quote) "Jee, your decision is final. Please return to your room and once again, I must warn you - do not repeat anything discussed in this room until I announce the results."

Then when they cut back to the HGs, Julie told them "I'll be back to announce the winner of the golden power of veto a few hours after the nominations".

When she told Jee in the DR, "Once again, I must warn you..." I took that as her being pretty firm that he was NOT to disclose that he took the deal and that the POV winner was NOT supposed to be known until "a few hours after the nominations".

Well, it appears to me that Jee did the exact OPPOSITE of what Julie *warned* him *not* to do....he fessed up that he that took the deal that gave him the POV and put the rest of the house on PB&J!

How come no one else pointed this out? Did I miss something?

Spunky

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 11:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, he sure did tell everyone and everyone else said they didn't take the bribe, so it's understood Jee has the POV.

Good catch Sanfran!!

Now I want to see if BB is going to do something about it or if they let it go!!

Seanflynn2003

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 11:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SFJ - this was discussed thoroughly earlier; this was after the EDT showing. I saw the show after and again it was clear that he violated the rules and BB was showing that he violated the rules.

Charvie

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 11:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee and Robert discuss the money deal. Jee clearly violated the rule Julie gave him. No penalty nominations. Robert eats a cookie. LOL Seeing how the penalty nomination is just a useless threat, why bother? I know that if someone kept threatening me and never followed through I would never listen to them about anything because I figured they are all talk and no action. And another thing doesn't this mean if there is another Big Brother the houseguests can make money deals, violate rules etc..since a penalty nomination is never enforced and no one ever made an example of?

Wendo

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 11:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, he only broke the rules depending on how the rules are interpreted. Julie said,

"Jee, your decision is final. Please return to your room and once again, I must warn you - do not repeat anything discussed in this room until I announce the results."

Now, she did announce the results. She said,

"That one or more than one of you accepted the deal, I'll be back to tell you who won the POV after nominations are done."

So, it's really a matter of how BB is interpreting the rules. They did get initial results. Just not who won or how long they were going to be on PBJ.

Anyway...

R151996

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 11:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Julie's exact instructions shown being given to Jee were "Do not repeat anything discussed in this room until I announce the results."

Julie announced the results the moment she said "Houseguests, one or more of you has accepted my offer. That means starting at midnight everyone but the veto winner will be on a peanut butter and jelly diet. I'll be back to announce the winner of the golden power of veto after the nominations."

The results of the deal had been announced at that point, just not the veto winner. IMO there was no rule violation.

But if any rule was violated then everyone except Robert broke the rule because Erika, Jack, Ali, and Jun were shown telling each other around the kitchen island that none of them accepted the deal. By process of elimination those four figured out that Jee accepted even before Jee told them.

Misunderstood

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
However, if this matters or not Jee admitted that it would be only 1 week of pb&j. So, in my opinion he blabbed and broke the rules.

Moderator

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The posts from another thread on this topic have been relocated and sorted into this thread.

Hope that doesn't confuse too much.

Mod hd

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
R151996 - But, if her saying that "someone" took the deal can be interpreted as her announcing the "results"....why would Julie say she would "announce the POV winner a few hours after the nominations"?

Confessing to accepting the offer is confessing that you are the POV winner, right?

Crossfire

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think this was mentioned earlier but I think it was a great point that I should probably properly credit, anyway, those who denied being the POV winner would be guilty of the same thing Jee is if anything, and I agree that there does seem to be a broken rule.

They were supposed to be whizzed off and paranoid for those few hours like Robert was wondering who sold them out, we were denied that after the confession.

Cathie

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We are assuming that Julie gave them all the same directions when they left the DR, but we only saw her give them to Jee. The others didn't take the bribe so maybe there was no warning for them. Regardless, I think it will be totally ignored by BB on the Tuesday show.

Dan

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 04:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Going back to the question of accessing a penalty nomination to Jee, there are two things that come to mind.

First, why did the producers decided to air the segment when Julie is giving those specific instructions to Jee. Evidently, similar instructions must have been given to all the others but those given to Jee were aired. Those instructions don't realy add to the show, unless ... the producers intend to used them in the future.

Second, while talking to Erika Saturday (04:03) "Jack says he can't help but feel there is something left...after the Veto. Thinks there will be somehting more to this week. Sounds like the DR told him something to make him feel that way...he says they stumped him in there when talking to him."

Put those two together and you have "a possible twist" coming up. But that's just my .

Naja

Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 05:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This thread is sort of funny. I mean why would BB purposely give ambiguous rules?..LOL They left it up to the HG's to confess themselves to create more drama! The only reason they couldn't talk "during" the comp is so that they wouldn't sway each other's decisions, or let someone know what's happening before they got to the diary room to get the offer themselves, and so all could show their real reaction hearing the results for the first time from Julie. I am POSITIVE none broke rules. This wasn't a BB trap.

"Let's give them ambiguous rules so we can say they broke the rules if we don't like how it all turned out"?..LOL!