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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Special K, acid, ecstacy and cocaine - who used what??: Archive through August 04, 2003

Omegabubbles

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 01:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they are just plain stupid to admit any drug use on tv. It sounds like bragging to me. What a ignorant thing to brag about. It makes them look like idiots.

Peachie

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 01:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would imagine Jack would have alot of stories to tell if someone would sit down and really ask and listen to him. Jack and Rob were talking a little yesterday but not alot of what I would ask about the FBI, I have always been pretty interested in it. My biggest fear has always been to go to jail so as I have gotten older and smarter I dont drink and drive or do drugs, maybe some unprescribed xanax or something once in a while but I am in my own house. LOL

Maris

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Everyone except Jack and I think Nathan has admitted to smoking pot.

They had a discussion early on in the game about the last time they smoked pot. Dana was the only one who hadnt smoked the few weeks before the show because she was told they would be tested for drugs and not to smoke. Robert, Erika, Jun, Jee, Justin, Alison all admitted to smoking. The heavy pot smokers are Jee, Dana and Justin. Jee was even busted down in Mexico for buying pot and had to bribe the poiceman who arrested him.

It isnt surprising with Jacks age that he doesnt smoke or hasnt smoked pot. He likes to knock off the beers and is usually the first one to ask if there is beer tonight. He doesnt over drink but he likes the beer.

Johnnydollar

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"I don't think lack of drug usage has anything to do with being "class acts."

I do. It amazes me that they would manage to find 13 people and all but one or two are drug users. That's not a class act in my book. Maybe Jack could arrest them and he'd be the only one left to grab the prize! On top of that, it's even less classy to talk about it on national television. Yuck.

Seanflynn2003

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Smoking marijuana at one point or another, or even occassionally, does not make one a drug user
If so, the large majority of Americans b/w 20-55 qualify
The other stuff is more serious, and I don't think it has been established the 11 or 12 of them have done so

Charvie

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I am old fashioned. I believe in the quality of the experience, not the quanity of it. And I don't see how sexual enhancements when you don't need it and are young will make things better.

Omegabubbles

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My thoughts exactly Johnny. It is so ignorant.

Willsbills

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I can imagine doing any drug you could find if you knew you'd have to be stuck in there with Dana, but since they didn't know each other that's not the excuse...


Don't get mad, but...

It doesn't surprise me that any of them would do drugs except maybe Nathan and Jack. Usually people who have tried "everything" aren't people that are "open-minded" they're people who have self-esteem issues and are looking for something whether it be peer acceptance, looking cool or trying to avoid life. To me just about everyone in the house has some self-esteem issues.

Seanflynn2003

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Charvie, it has to do with the pressures society and media put to do on men to "perform"
It is sad, but the effect is out there
Then the next fear is that the next guy is using it, will outperform, etc etc
This is what also comes from allowing drug companies to advertise new drugs on TV as openly as they do

Johnnydollar

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Smoking marijuana at one point or another, or even occassionally, does not make one a drug user"

?!?!? That's the most puzzling thing I've read in some time. It's like saying logging on to read my email occasionally doesn't make me a computer user. I guess I just don't get it.

Maris

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 02:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It is all a matter of opinion. Some would have the opinion that cigarette smokers who inhale nicotine all day long are drug addicts. I dont smoke pot but I see nothing wrong with sharing a joint with someone in a social setting. It isnt my thing but no big dea as far as I am concerned.

Seanflynn2003

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Johnny the consensus among a wide variety of medical experts is that marijuana is not a drug, or if it is, it is in a class similar to nicotine and alcohol, and distinct and different from cocaine, heroin, LSD and other far more serious substance

That has been established for 40 years or more; we are not in the hysterical 1950s anymore

People who use marijuana are not commonly referred to as drug users since the days of Reefer Madness

Johnnydollar

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 02:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I doubt many medical experts will claim marijuana is not a drug. How serious it is is another question. But using marijuana and then saying "I'm not a drug user" is preposterous. And it is not in the same class as nicotine and alcohol in one important aspect: it's against the law. You can drink a beer without being a criminal.

Zachsmom

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
alcohol is a drug
nicotine is a drug

there is a difference between a drug user and a drug abuser.

Seanflynn2003

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 02:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That it is against the law in this country is a testimony to hysteria and the economic and political power of the liquor and tobacco industry.

There are tens of millions of Americans who you consider to be drug users if using marijuana qualifies as drug use. Most of us correctly would be offended by being called that.

By your definition, during Prohibition any alcohol consumer could be called a drug user.

Part of the problem with equating marijuana with real drugs is that when the distinction is not made, those who use marijuana and find it is not addictive, find it harder to believe real drugs are so bad. Then the real trouble begins.

From world book encyclopedia:
Drug abuse is the nonmedical use of a drug that interferes with a healthy and productive life. Drug abuse occurs at all economic levels of society, from the wealthy to the impoverished, and among young people as well as adults. Any drug may be abused, including tobacco, alcohol, medications, and substances that give off intoxicating fumes. Drug abuse is often called substance abuse or substance dependence, which together are called substance use disorders.

Omegabubbles

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I see nothing wrong with sharing a joint occassionally either but to talk about your private use of any substance on tv is just bragging and ignorant beyond belef. If I get drunk later tonight will I be bragging about it tomorrow? Duh.

Johnnydollar

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"There are tens of millions of Americans who you consider to be drug users if using marijuana qualifies as drug use. Most of us correctly would be offended by being called that."

I don't know the statistic is accurate, but even it is, so what? Because "most" drug users are offended being called drug users, then that means they are not drug users? If I am for some reason offended at being called a computer user, does that mean I do not use a computer?

I agree that there is a difference between a user and an abuser, though I'm not sure how that applies to this discussion. I said that all but two of the BB cast are drug users. That is demonstrably true by their own admissions.

Maris

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Depends on who you got drunk with.

Sunshyne4u

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To add my 2 cents worth. In Canada Marijuana seems to be on its way to decriminalization. WHY?? well for years Pot has been prosecuted under the NARCOTICS act...and it isnt a narcotic. I think that is what the SEAFLYNN was trying to say he had seen written by scientists. THC is a different type of drug, more similar to other 'legal' drugs.
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I know younger men who use Viagra. It is about 'increased size and endurance'. Some guys actually get a high from it as well since it affects the circulation of the whole body not just the genitals. another side effect is seeing "pink" as caused by the eye changes. This drug is great for paraplegics and others who have had back injuries therefore have 'unreliable' erections. (Frankly, I can see any young guy who has felt inadequate wanting this drug)

Seanflynn2003

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Then all 13 are drug users since all have used alcohol.

My point -- and we can agree to disagree -- is that most people make a distinction between those who only have used tobacco, alcohol and marijuana from those who have used more serious drugs.

If you have used alcohol, then you too are a drug user.

The term drug user as you intend it to mean for most Americans under 55 does not include marijuana.

Crossfire

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think both opinions are probably common for reasonable people to hold.

I tend to lean strongly to the side which does not bat much of an eye at pot usage (I think it compares favorably with alcohol), but I can see how others would have a problem with it given its legal status in the US.

What I don't like, even a little bit, is seeing people tossed in jail for possession.

Squaredsc

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
puff puff pass.

Seanflynn2003

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crossfire, you are right about reasonable people holding either opinion

The common thread for most of us who have experience with marijuana is that, unlike alcohol, tobacco, as well as cocaine, heroin, etc, few if any of us know anyone who has experienced death, disability, addiction from it.

I have known people who died or have had their lives ruined by cigarettes, drink, as well as cocaine and heroine, but not marijuana. That distinction is the most important when I have a problem with lumping marijuana in with other non-alcohol or tobacco drugs.

Ark

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would be surprised if Jack has never tried any illegal drugs. He may not be stupid enough to brag about it on national TV but I bet he's at least smoked a joint or two in his lifetime. He seems like an adventurous guy and he was young in the 60s so if I was the betting type, I'd bet that he's used something but knows how to keep his mouth shut so as not to appear stupid on TV.

Omegabubbles

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My whole question is still"why talk about it at all?" Even if you were a big substance abuser, if you find yourself on tv going for 500k wouldn't you despense with any thing that might put you in a bad light or cause you to act stupid in front of the camera and would you find the need to brag about past drug experiences? Whats that about?