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Bastable | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:24 pm     Nah, Nate signed away any and all rights to sue over what other HGs say about him on this how. They all sign contracts that are a fist tall. Only Tom Cruise sues anyone who calls him gay. It's not like calling someone a murderer. |
Bluerose | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:25 pm     Lurk- understand that I just came from reading live feeds and read that both Nathan and Robert would not let their daughters date black men (I think it was Nate). These people are all beginning to depress me. i don't even care who wins now. |
Meggieprice | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:26 pm     Oh yeah, San Fran, I knew there was no way they would drop a piece like that without capitalizing on it fully. Meanwhile Nate apparently further revealed just how fully a racist he is too tonight,completing his image in my eyes. Double blech. On that note, I will go to bed cause we have an early wedding tomorrow and I do not want to have BB exhaustion! A Chinese/American Indian ceremony- can't wait! Rock on, TVChousers.... |
C1mag | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:27 pm     Bas thats what I was saying earlier. To be called gay seems to me to be no big deal but to some it seems offensive, but if you think that then you believe being gay is something dirty and I don't think that so all I think of the gay talk is what Lily just said. It's childish and the show elevated it tonight when they made it a joke. Again I was leaning on the editing issue on this thing. The tv show edit blows. |
Amari | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:28 pm     Nate (along with Robert) just said they would never allow their daughters to bring home black boyfriends. (Kudos to Jack for saying he trusts his daughters' judgments and would welcome them). Didn't Nate make some sort of comment about all the different races/nationalities that Ali has dated? I wondered at the time what that comment was all about. Methinks the Golden Boy is more than a homophobe. |
Thorntara | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:28 pm     Lurk, No, the only boundaries the producers are prohibited from crossing are the ratings boundaries. They already have a real problem...consistently losing to reruns of Law & Order on Wednesday nights. Reruns are a whole lot cheaper than any new production....maybe CBS should just run CSI reruns every night of the week during the summer? If you were the budget manager for this show, it could be a real alternative! Especially since CSI tends to beat Law & Order for new shows. AND, cable networks do very well with 2-3 reruns of Law & Order every night of the week. Cheaper, with same audience means same advertising dollars and better profits. The only right and wrong in this situation is the ratings. Thus the emphasis on creating situations that will bring the audience back for the next episode. |
Bastable | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:29 pm     Oh.... I see what you mean now, C1Mag. It was like Alison saying "poopie." Appealing to the lowest common denominator who actually believe this would be a horrible revelation. |
Spunky | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:29 pm     Whoa, Whoa people!!!! You are all like Justin.... and yet you too believe Ali is a born LIAR!!!! The editors were showing how Justin repeatedly told Nate and the others in the hottub what LIAR Ali is... she would lie about anything, lies, lies, and lies.. this according to Justin, and yet he was mesmerized at the 'revelation' by Ali that Nate is gay...why would he believe Ali? He looked stunned and said "I don't believe it", but he sure bought the lie and supposedly told the others. Now how come nobody told Justin... "You said she was a liar, how can you believe such a thing from her??" Aren't you people going to ask this question? You are smarter than those hamsters...  |
Tobor7 | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:31 pm     Snee, my wife said the exact same thing you did when we were watching the show tonight. "He must not be getting turned on when they are making out." |
Sanfranjoshfan | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:31 pm     Lilycakes - " It smacks of venegance that you think of him as a homophobe." But Nate said that if he had a child that he discovered was gay, he would *throw him out of his house*! He said that god has no reason to make people gay so it must be a choice. Nate IS homophobic. Don't you think that a few decades ago, it might have been a good lesson for Gov George Wallace to have woken up black for a few days? (He was the racist governor that wouldn't allow integration to take place and the Nat'l Guard had to be called up) I just think people that spout bigoted remarks about a whole segment of the population that they don't understand should get an idea of what that kind of prejudice does. That's all. Homophobes don't suddenly see the light because someone tells them to. In fact, often times, a homophobic parent only realizes that being gay is not an evil sickness when they discover their own child is gay. It sometimes takes a personal connection to this issue to make some people stop and think. |
C1mag | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:32 pm     Yep Bas thats what I was saying They need some thumbs up for graphics here but you got it! |
Lilycakes | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:32 pm     Okay, time for bed.....I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt but I was wrong per Blurose's post "both Nathan and Robert would not let their daughters date black men (I think it was Nate)." Maybe "Straight Nate" should have been outed on National TV. I'm disgusted. Bedtime. |
Maris | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:33 pm     Nate is now yelling, I am not gay. I like women. |
Cliotheleo | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:34 pm     The fact that he keeps deflecting the joke onto Jee is interesting. ............ Man I wish I'd paid more attention in Psychology 101 |
Tobor7 | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:36 pm     To get back to the CRUEL EDITING issue... If YOU had the power of editorial control for this show, would you keep: 1) The close up tummy shots (yes/no) 2) The Bible story line (yes/no) 3) Ali's line about Nate being gay (yes/no) I will now duck down and let all the stuff fly over the monitor. |
Bohawkins | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:39 pm     To think that for someone to mistakenly label a heterosexual person as gay is some kind of horrible stigma is thinking which simply escapes logic. One poster even called it slanderous. Because of today's standards of understanding and tolerance along with better education, it is a label which won't affect anyone adversely in these times in any kind of a normal surroundings. If it does then that reaction can serve as an indicator of whether such is a place you would want to stay. As a rule, if being known as gay would cause people in your community to disrespect you then you really don't want those people as friends. If that is the environment in your community then the best advice is to "get out of Dodge," because that place would be a gossiping, narrow minded, back biting, rumor mongering and generally just a horrible place to live. I have had the good fortune to be able to use just such a perception as a litmus test in exactly that fashion. I have had a business partner for the past twenty years. We are both slender and fit. He is from England and I am from Ireland and although we have both lived here for the past 20 years we still have our respective remnant accents. I have long hair, he has very short hair. Many times we hang out in coffee shops and bars talking about our business and we take long walks together on the beach or up in the hills, rather than sit around in a stuffy conference rooms or offices. We have both found that having girlfriends around while we talk about our business is just simply counterproductive with unneccesary conflicts which hinder our creative thought processes. However, with the accents, being slender and hanging out so much together, many times people have pegged us as a gay couple (because of stereotyping). We, however, have found it to be quite amusing and have never bothered to correct anyone's perception when it happens, primarily because we agreed a long time ago that if that would cause someone not to do business with us, it would be a good indicator of a serious character flaw on their part. Any time that mistaken identification has occurred it has never, ever affected us adversely in any business situation. In fact, the few times we did see some seeming disrespect, it served exactly as I described to allow us to have greater discernment in avoiding any further dealings with those people. Of course, we live in Santa Barbara which is a more informed and enlightened city than many other parts of America so we have had that negative experience only very rarely. But, also because of our unique situation we have had a chance to gain an unusual perspective to know what true homosexual hatred is like. One instance occurred one evening just after dusk, on a beach walk. A group of college age boys starting harassing us, saying, "look at the fairies" and other frightening things, all the while closing in to cut us off in an isolated, secluded cul-de-sac area of the beach as darkness was rapidly falling. Fortunately, we made it to some wooden steps which went straight up the cliff and we managed to escape without harm. But we both came away that night with an understanding that neither of us had never had known, along with a new empathy for those who might experience similar a horrible situations perhaps many times in their lives. So, as others here have postulated, Nathan can grow from this experience several ways; he can gain a new understanding of the malice and evil of gay hatred and upon returning to his community if he is discriminated against then he can appreciate what kind of people you don't want as your friends and how a whole town's attitudes and traditional culture can be wrong. |
Snee | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:39 pm     i hope they air the 'no black boyfriends' thing. |
Sabbatia | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:39 pm     Okay, time for my two cents. While what Nate has had to say about gays was uncalled for and hateful and all that stuff, he's just repeating what he's heard all of his life. Ya'll aren't considering he's from the south...deep in the Bible Belt. His comments are a direct reflection of what I"VE heard all my life, living in the same general area. Living in the Bible belt isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's just different. I agree with a lot of the things I've been taught on other issues all of my life. I can't agree with teaching people hate and intolerance. The girl that lived next to me in the dorm was a lesbian. My parents totally didn't approve. The problem was, they didn't take the time to get to know her for the person she is instead of her sexual preferences. Nate has obviously never taken the time to get to know someone that was gay...to learn that sexual preferences are not the issue unless you plan to have sex with them... otherwise, the person is the same as everyone else and should be treated as such. As for Jun....she had a lot of "movement" in that bikini when she came in the house. She just didn't see it because she looked so much better than she did before she lost weight. She appears to be doing the emotional/stress eating thing. I feel sorry for her. It was hard losing it the first time, and it will be harder to do it again. Okay, I'll get off of my soapbox now. |
Lurknomore | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:39 pm     Have fun kids I'm off for beddy bye too. And since it's easy; 1) no 2) maybe 3) NO! nitey nite...see you at the playground tomorrow |
C1mag | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:40 pm     I still don't understand why they mentioned nothing about the warts on tv. You would have thought they would have been all over that. |
Cliotheleo | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:41 pm     I don't think the network censors would have allowed it. |
Bastable | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:42 pm     Maybe Scott asked them to agree to it as a term of his departure. I'm sure there were major legal issues there. |
C1mag | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:42 pm     You can't talk about genital warts on network tv? |
Cliotheleo | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:43 pm     In primetime? I'm thinking no. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:44 pm     Excellent and insightful post Bohawkins! |
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