Archive through August 16, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
JUN wins POV will she save Justin or Robert ??:
Archive through August 16, 2003
Marcie_B | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:02 am     A lot of the HG's came in with a preconceived notion...I clearly recall Jun saying to Jee, 'Before I came here, all I thought is not to piss off the white girl.' (I'm thinking her brother advised her of this.) Does that mean she's untrustworthy? No, just vocal in her distrust of someone not in her ethnic profile. |
Kmjm | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:02 am     Erika and Jack want to take Ali to the finals not because they trust her more, but because they think that they have a better chance of winning against her. They feel that Jun's alliance with Jee and her friendship with Dana would give her more pull with the jury. Since Ali has lied to everyone, they think that she has more enemies. I truly don't think the fact that Jun is Asian has anything to do with it. I heard them discussing this in a long strategy discussion a couple of days ago. They also spoke very positively about Jee, but want to get him out too because they don't think that they could beat him in the finals, he's too well liked. |
Amari | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:10 am     If Jun doesn't use the veto, how will the voting go? Erika, Robert and Justin can't vote. That leaves Jee, Jun, Allison and Jack. Obviously Jack will vote to evict Justin and just as obviously, Jee will vote to evict Robert. (I say obviously, who the heck knows with these people). How do you think Ali and Jun will vote? Will Ali honor her "alliance" with Justin? Will Jun hold Robert's going off on her against him or will she think it's better to try and keep Erika/Jack happy? |
Vros | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:12 am     Jun now has complete power over the next eviction. She, and she alone, will decide who goes. Whether she is perceptive enough to grasp this point is another matter. If she doesn't use the veto, Ali and Jee vote to keep Justin, Dave votes to oust him. Jun casts the deciding vote. (Robert out by 3-1, or it goes to Erika for the tie-breaker, Justin out.) If she uses the veto, Jee goes up. Jun casts the deciding vote against the other stooge. |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:12 am     I think Erika is more drawn to Ali because they have dancing in common and because, even though Erika sees thru Ali, Ali does do an appealing type of kissup.. Jun is way more direct in that regard - more adult - not the "little sister" Erika may want in there. It could be that Erika is less comfortable with Asians, but just between Jun and Ali.. well remember Jun was associated with Dana, Ali wasn't. Ali is more "like" Erika. But Erika did say the other day that she thought Jun actually was playing the back and forth better than Ali because Ali was so obvious and she said if Ali and Jun were in finals it would be hard but she would vote for Jun as of now. Jack wavered more and I think he has said that Ali reminds him of one of his daughters, so that's a hook in Ali's favor with Jack. Jun has NO chance of reminding anyone but Jee of a relative. Not prejudice, just a fact and a factor. They actually think they could beat Jun in finals. They do NOT think they could beat Jee. But feel they "need" Ali. But I think they have a need to believe her more, which could be their downfall.. like if Jack were to actually throw HOH in favor or Ali, guess what? Ali has said even though she hates Jun more than life itself, Jack has to go. Ms Ali knows she wouldn't beat Jack or Jee, feels better in finals with Erika or Jun, except she personally cannot tolerate Jun winning even second place, same as Robert (as if it is entirely up to either of them, and to me if you take your eye off the prize to worry about someone who you consider beatable getting second, you may just be in deep doodoo) |
Trinity63 | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:13 am     No way she will use it. She would be a dummy if she did. She has to know the three stooges don't like her. |
Amari | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:18 am     Excellent points, Seamonkey. I've watched Jack/Erika (who seem to know on some level that Ali can't be trusted), struggle to believe and trust her. I think because they really want to. I don't like Ali but I think the girl is good at this game and she may very well be the downfall of the Jack/Erika alliance. If that happens, they will have no one but themselves to blame. |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:19 am     Jee and Ali and Jack of course will be happier if she does NOT use it since one of them would go on the block and pawn or not, they all know that is where they do not want to be. Jun knows Nate, Ali and now Robert hate her, but I think Justin has done his badmouthing in private and so has Jee, plus she and Jee have this bickering thing set up as a smokescreen, though I do think Jee speaks the truth in saying he will be ashamed if Jun beats him or stays longer.. we know from one of the clips on an early show that Carmen resents Jun mightily so Jee would be worried if he didn't beat Jun. |
Spunky | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:38 am     The only reason I could think Jun wanted this POV is to make sure no one else won and used it because Jee would have gone up. So, she wants to make sure the nominations remain as they are. She'll vote Robert out. Jun, Ali, Jee : Robert Jack: Justin |
Philamom | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:39 am     Just a quick note about Erika and Jun and the Asian factor ... Erika said to Jack (last night, I think it was) that if it were Jun and Ali in the finals, she'd vote for Jun to win. Jack didn't seem as sure, but I think he said he'd go for Jun too. Kind of interesting, in light of what's being discussed here. Back to the subject at hand... no way is Jun going to use that veto. That would be foolish, and she's not a fool. |
Demeter | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 10:23 am     Erika listened closely yesterday in the HOH room while Justin was talking about the game. He seemed to be being direct and honest with her in general and he said he would not vote for Jun in the end and that he didn't think Robert or Jee would either. Erika casually said "really?" but went on to something else. I think she took note of what he said though and may be rethinking about whether she would rather have Ali or Jun in the end. I don't see Jun using the veto. Votes will be: Justin: Jack, Jee, Jun Robert...maybe Ali, but she could vote out Justin if she thinks it is better to vote with the group. Jee will vote Justin for "strategy" (because Jun tells him to). Robert and Justin both have said they do not want Erika to make the decision and do not want a tie, so just vote with Jack. We'll see how much that changes over the next couple days. |
Gina8642 | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 10:25 am     I think it is to Jun's advantage to NOT use the veto. By not using it she guarentees that Robert or Justin goes. If she used it either Jee or Allie would go up in the vetoed persons place. -If Jee, she risks losing Jee. And she will generally upset everyone by changing what is going on a la Nate using it. -If Allison, Allie might go, which would make the Jee3 even stronger leaving Jun even more in the cold than she already is. If Allie doesn't go, Jun still faces the general upset caused by using the veto and the remaining Jee2 will be upset at her for playing favorites. So, Jun needs to decide who to vote out. I really can't decide which eviction would be more in her favor. Personally I hope she votes for Robert to go due to all his bad-mouthing of Jun. A few days ago, I thought a Robert eviction would help Jun because it would remove the person bringing down her 'status' via bad-mouthing. However, now I think the damage is done. Justin has also started to bad-mouthing Jun (before he just listened in compainionable agreeance when Rob went off.) Justin seems to think Allie is a better ally than Jun. Jee is even starting to bad-mouth Jun. Allie always has bad-mouthed her, so no change there. So, I think the damage is done. Jack and Erika don't want Jun in the final three becasue they don't believe the can win against her in final two, so they want to keep Allie. Both sides don't want Jun now. -Justin wants Allie over Jun. Allie has proved herself to Justin by not putting him up. Justin is sick of watching Jun float and she has yet to 'prove' anything to Justin. -Robert thinks Jun is a b$tch, W$ore, sneak and a snake. -Jee wants Jun gone before him. I'm still not sure if he takes the Jee/Jun alliance for much, or is just taking from Jun what is offered and offering nothing back in return. -Jack wants Allison for final three because she doesn't think Ja/Er could beat Jun final two. Appears to want Jun in final four. (but would vote Jun over Ally at final two.) Erika also wants Allison for final three because she doesn't think Ja/Er could beat Jun final two. Appears to want Jun in final four. Allison - I have no clue where this girl stands. I really think she is allied with no one but herself. I actually think she could beat Jun in the final two, but she bad mouths Jun at every opportunity. She keeps quoting things Jun said to her - things I never heard or read Jun say. So, she appears to be trying make Jun a target, so I suppose she doesn't want Jun there, but I find Allie impossible to read. So, no one seems to be on Jun's side right now. Maybe by voting to keep Justin - Jun can 'prove' something to him and up her status in Justin's mind over Allie. |
Wendo | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 11:26 am     Based on how Jun has been playing this game to date, she will not use the veto and she will vote out Justin on Wednesday. Jun's about getting the strongest player (or the perceived strongest player) out, just as it was important to get Dave and Nate out. To her, Justin on the block is an opportunity; she won't pass it up. |
Spunky | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 11:33 am     And yet Robert won more than Justin did.. so I can say Robert is a stronger player than Justin. However, Robert has shown his dislike for Jun and she may vote him out because she doesn't want someone who can call attention to her double dealings... at least Justin doesn't blow up like Robert does. And by keeping Justin she may show that her loyalty to Jee and Justin was genuine. If Justin goes it seems to me that everyone who has enjoyed HOH and kicked out who they wanted is next to go.. The only exception was Ali and only because Nate saved her. |
Wendo | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 11:44 am     Spunky, Robert won the first veto because Jee gave it to him. The second time was at Quoridor against Jee, who wasn't very good at Quoridor. As to Jun keeping Justin for loyalty, she doesn't want their loyalty. She already told them yesterday (the Jee3) that she's aligned with Jack and Erika now. Lastly, when one wins HOH, they tend to make themselves a target, especially if they get rid of someone on another alliance. Just how the game shakes out. That's why Jun HASN'T gone for HOH yet. |
Spunky | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 11:47 am     I understand Wendo. The best solution would be a tiebreaker and let Erika decide. I hope she'll go with her gut instinct and evict Robert. At least she'll know he left the house before her (this seemed to be her concern). |
Cricket | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 11:51 am     "If Justin goes it seems to me that everyone who has enjoyed HOH and kicked out who they wanted is next to go.. The only exception was Ali and only because Nate saved her." Exactly, Spunky. Darn that Nate for saving Ali. Does this mean Erika will be the next to go? I sure hope not, but that is how it's been going this year. If Jack doesn't get HOH, Erika's only hope would be the veto, but she and Jack will probably be up, so she may go. Oh..what about Jee? Did he not get put up because he didn't get out the person he wanted out? Hmmm, does that mean if Robert goes this week instead of Justin, Erika might have more time in the house? Seamonkey, regarding Jun's cooking, both Erika and Dana were rudely run out of the kitchen by her. I still don't think that's right. She does not have exclusive rights to the kitchen like she thinks she does. I'm still waiting for her to have to do a week of PB&J. I'd like to see her play the game w/o the cover of the kitchen. |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 11:54 am     Ali and Justin have been in an alliance since week two.. He is not going to go up against Jun if he can help it . There is no good reason for Jun to keep Justin there. Also, though she may not see it, Erika is warming to Justin, Jack also admires Justin. Both dislike Robert, so better for Jun to leave Robert in where he isn't spewing his filth, yet, to the jury.. Justin tends to be more honest, like agreeing with Erika that Jun just has a different strategy and it is actually not evil. Robert will never say that. Jee is loyal and Robert has supported him, but now he's heard from Ali, Jack, Erika and Jun that Justin considers his alliance with Robert to be primary .. (and this is true, came from Justin), so Jee may soon be ready to step away from Robert. Jee has said his trash talking is only for strategy and he's not that comfy with it. Robert is the worst offender. Hopefully Jun and Jee will pledge to vote Justin out and Ali won't want to be the odd person out, plus Justin said no sympathy votes. And.. DANA is waiting for Justin |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:00 pm     Cricket, I'm not going to spar over Jun cooking.. I never saw on feeds Jun being rude but if that is the case I think if DANA wanted to cook, she would have cooked, period. Erika was pretty freaked early-on so she spent time hiding behind hat, glasses and Jack. I don't buy it just because they say it. But if she was rude, I daresay she isn't the only one in there who's been rude. They love to say Jun does nothing but cooking but I notice she's been a big part of every winning food competition team and she won her day of food for this week. I don't think this week's PB&J is going to affect any of them all that much.. just two days, spread out. So far Jun is handling it just fine, as are most of them, except Robert who is on a hunger strike for today, he says and refuses to take vitamins. |
Wendo | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:02 pm     Spunky, Erika has already said that if Wednesday's vote is a tie, as much as she'd like to evict Robert, she'll vote out Justin because of his perceived strength. I know you want Justin to stay. But, it's looking highly unlikely; especially if Jun does not use POV, which she's pretty much intimated to Justin she won't. |
Watching2 | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:03 pm     Just a little note on the "cooking part" of this thread on Jun's behalf. I do remember other houseguests saying they would cook or asked if they could help and she told them she didn't want them to cook. She lets people help with preparing some of the ingredients at times and I believe she let one of the guys make pancakes in the beginning, but she has made a strong point that she WANTS to do the cooking and doesn't want the others to do it. As a matter of fact, she might have even said in a DR session which was shown on the program that she only "trusts" her cooking. She joked someone else might poison her or whatever. I think that's part of the reason the others aren't all that grateful to her for the cooking and know this is her strategy. I don't think she'll use the veto either. She want to look strong to her "new, old alliance!" and she won't want to risk Jee going up as the pawn. FWIW |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:05 pm     i agree that Erika isn't letting emotions run her game, so as satisfying as it would be to send Robert out now, she knows it has to be Justin if it falls to her to break a tie. She also laughed with Jack just yesterday saying so sad too bad that Robert wants to leave, he has to stay at least another week. |
Stro27 | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:05 pm     Justin is a much more forgiving person than Robert. If Jun saved Justin this week, whether it's with the veto or voting to keep him, Justin would be much more likely to forgive her and focus on getting Erika and Jack out next week instead of her. Whereas Robert is guaranteed to go after Jun next week no matter what, even if she does vote to keep him. Alison will also be going after Jun and knowing how much influence Robert has over Jee, Jee might as well. Jee may not be happy that Jun didn’t vote the same way he did by voting to keep Justin. Obviously, this is not going to please Jack and Erika, but chances are those two will not be in power next week since Erika can’t compete in the HoH competition and Jack is a poor performer in these competitions. Jun has to do whatever she can to please the other houseguests. If she votes to keep Justin, he’ll owe her. Knowing how much influence Justin has over Alison, he may be able to persuade her to not go after Jun anymore. And Jee obviously will be happy with Jun for voting the way he wants her to. |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:13 pm     I love this.. of course we don't all agree and in the house they face the same dilemma.. trying to predict what is best without really knowing what will happen next week. Jack and Erika firmly believe that Robert will just fold without Justin in the house, so they don't see him as a big threat.. And Justin and Ali are allied tightly, so this breaks that up a bit too. ALI has stated that she hates Jun, BUT JACK must go next. And she's right, not that I want him to go now.. but Ali must know that she wouldn't beat Jack at F2. He's more respected. Same with Justin.. Ali couldn't beat him at F2.. even among her supposed original allies, Justin is way more respected. Robert and Jun are probably the most beatable. |
Wendo | Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:42 pm     Jun's strategy of being the cook outplays Justin's brute strength!
Yeah, ok, I need help... This has been a drive by image post! |
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