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Nexell2

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shannon doesn't even come close to this piece of work.

Wendo

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah C1mag, I was just thinking the same thing, how there is SUCH a clear division. One group outside, the other inside. It's never happened so early in BB before.

My feelings about Dana are similar to yours as well. And, I, too, am tired of people throwing around f#g, f##got, etc. How about a group sensitivity seminar. I'd watch that!

And yeah, I agree, too, that Dana is not allowing people to play the game. So frustrating.

They are all just so frustrating.

One of the Original alliance members needs to win this game to get it balanced again. LOL!

Wendo

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kalekona, I was posting last night and I didn't see any name calling of the HG. Much of what was posted was what the HG themselves were saying and us posters commenting on that.

C1mag

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok I'm gonna take on your suggestion that "they are all just venting"

Only I have been watching this show every year and today I am officially pissed off at what is, and what is not going on in that house and it all comes from one side in there. Dana has put a stop to this game. No one can make any deals. She's constantly throwing out anger and hatred. They are constantly divided. In all the years I have watched this show I have never seen so much mocking and petty behavior. I watched in the past when one or two would have a moment of venting but it was never one side verses the other and the game played on. This woman has divided the game and the house. Layed down how it will not be played and those she has aligned herself with have made her game THE LAW! I'm stunned that no one is contacting the show and telling them either lose the homophobic comments or they are gonna yank it. People wondered why Jun was in the hoh alone sleeping. The real reason was because Dana demanded it of her. At one point last night Dana asked Jun where she was gonna sleep and she said she was gonna sleep with Nate. That didn't sit well with her royal b!tchness and she got antsy because remember... NO ONE who is with Dana is to go to the other side of the house except for meals or when the house is drunk. It's ok with Dave cause he's going anyways and he's allegedly stupid and cute. So since the numbers favor Dana right now Jun did what Dana suggested cause she could tell it bothered her and to make sure she'd sleep in there she gave her the entire bed. This is how bad Dana has taken over that house and ruined this show.

Her game is simple. GET REVENGE! She said she sees alison as that girl in highschool she hated her whole life. So her HATRED for the woman goes well beyond this game. Justin sees Nate as the pretty golden boy that got all the girls in h.s while he sat around trying to beef himself up.

The real reason Dana did this was because she wasn't in control. She needed to call the shots and they weren't letting her do that. However, they were letting her play the game. She could make as many deals as she want but they were allowed to as well. She didn't even get what she wanted this week. If she really thought her game was all that good this week she'd be relaxed but all she keeps complaining about is that Ali is staying. I'm sick of her and I want her and Justin out! They've ruined a show that was an awesome summer journey.

Wendo

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with Nexell2, Dana is, to date, the worst HG I've ever watched on BB. There are still many weeks to go and that could change. But, as of right now and at this time, it's her. Dana, as HOH, set the tone of the house this week. Her actions that first night are why the house is the way it is right now. She single handedly split the house - as she promised she would.

Heck, this is the "drama" she was going for. She just blew it by not nomming Nate and Ali together. And, now, her plans were ruined. As a result, she's acting like a spoiled child who lost their ice cream.

Onlyhuman

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, let me try to stay calm.

Everything in the house is NOT Dana's fault.

People on this board act like the Jee3 should be running around trying to strike deals, trying to form new alliances.

Why??????

They got burned BADLY from these very same people who now want to make deals with them. The SAME people who have already privately said that they have NO INTENTION of keeping any deals they make.

Why would it be in anyone's interest in the 5 to try to strike out now, 5 days after they were betrayed?

If anything, this situation is the fault of those who thought they could have multiple alliances and then blow them out of the water with no repercussions.

I'm sooooo tired of hearing how it's Dana's fault that these people are not setting themselves up to be suckered again this week.

What I hate the most is that if it was Dave, Erika & Jack in power and they were refusing to make deals, you all would be laughing right along with them at the pathetic attempts of the Jee3 to try to cut deals.

C1mag

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is no way that Shannon was worse than Dana. She took a toothbrush of one person and put it in the toliet. No one applauded her except Will. She carried on civil and sincere conversations with those who were going to evict her. It was her problem.

Dana on the other hand has the entire house divided. <sd> She's getting even with all the people that have hurt her in life and she sees the otherside of the house as those people and she picked the perfect patthetic foursome who does the same exact thing. I never thought I could deck a female but I want to see someone deck her hard and tell her to put and plug in it and get the hell out of the house NOW! I swear that the second she is gone the division will end.

C1mag

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hold it Only.... Making deals is allowed and that is something Dana is saying is not allowed. She mocks the attempt as if to say "how dare they play the game. Whereas, if her group was running around making deals no one on the otherside would mock it. They'd snicker and allow it to continue. Right now if someone attempts it, it's trashed. I'm telling you those four <LC> she is grouped with will all make deals the second she is gone. She's a wicked woman and I do blame her and her <LC> mouth for the tempo of the house right now.

Maris

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I disagree. Nathan and his group set the tone by lying about who they were evicting. They set up an ambush of Jee and did it with glee. It is a game and that is how they played it. They wanted shock. They have to expect the results which was the polarizing of the groups.

Dana also was plotted against by and lied for REVENGE because she associated with the exes but she isnt supposed to feel in anyway vindictive? Erika can call Jee horriffic names because she is emotional but Dana cant? Alison from the get go had a problem with Dana's relationship with Justin and was pissed that she couldnt control Justin anymore. She believed that she had Justin in her back pocket and when she realized that Justin was in with Dana Alison single handedly went after Dana. Nathan turned against Dana because she wasnt one of his groupies and he couldnt control her. If you dont bow down to the god that is Nathan then you gotta go. Nathan to me is the worst person in that house. I turn him off in the feeds. He just grosses me out.

I don't blame Dana. It is every man for himself in this game and she is doing what she wants to do for herself. Yes her accent can be annoying but she isnt doing or saying anything that anyone else hasn't said about other HGs. She isnt the only one who acted like a spoilt child when they didnt get what they wanted. Nathan and Alison are the biggest babies in that house.

I honestly dont understand the intense hatred for her.

Maris

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1 Shannon was absolutely horrible to Autumn. She was vicious.

As far as deals are concerned, remember when Nathan was HOH and she got the POV Nathan made it very clear that the house had to abide by the nominations and not use the veto. It was Nathan that made it very clear that nobody should upset the HOH's nominations.

C1mag

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But she was allowed to suggest the idea of using the pov. With her don't even mention a game move. She was allowed to continue suggesting as much as she wanted and for the record Nate was going to put up Scott for his behavior but he got booted. He listened. Digested it and gave it a thought.

Shannon was on her own when it came to her problems. This house is one side verses the other and it's every day and when it's not happening Dana STIRS it up to make sure it stays at that insane level.

Onlyhuman

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But Dana is only saying what all of them are thinking. None of them can believe that the others are coming to them NOW and trying to make deals.

The five of them made an agreement to be loyal to each other and NOT to strike deals. That was the commitment Dana got from them in order to switch sides. She is right to make them stick with it. She put her b*tt on the line for them, because she trusted them. Their alliance is only strong as long as they don't try undermine it, which is something that the O8 did not truly understand.

Kalekona

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shannon was also openly hostile and in others faces, so much so that she was warned by BB.

As for Dana stopping the game play.. use some common sense and you'll see DAVE and the originals did that when they lied to Jee and voted Michelle out. Why would anyone make a deal with any of them after that? They showed they can not be trusted and that their deals mean nothing.

Dana did what she had to do to stay in the game, just as nate did to keep Ali.
If you'll remember Gerry got hell for using the veto on Marcellas, because he messed up the hoh plans. Dana's reaction is no different.

I agree that the slurs run rampent this year and it's disgusting but that goes for both sides.

And the house was divided the minute that all 13 were not put in the house at the same time, that made it us against them before the show ever hit the air.

C1mag

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She could have used them all and literally made deals on both sides. She should have sucked it up for the money. She BLEW it and ruined the game. GET HER OUT NOW!

Bastable

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh come now. That's so melodramatic. She did not ruin the game. Relax and enjoy the ride!

Nexell2

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh please- just keep thinking a good thought for lovely little Dana untill they drag her out and return her to the nether world she came from.

C1mag

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Only I see four followers and one bigmouth broad. I don't think they are all thinking what she is. The second she is gone they won't be acting this way so that tells ya that they aren't all one mind.

Dana did not make a move for the game sake so she didn't do this based on "having to do it" she did it to get even and to divide the house.

Her brilliant move would have been to fake it. Be a follower, play along with them and use them and pop them off one by one while she sat back laughing at all of them.

Instead she chose revenge. It wasn't the only option.

C1mag

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She has definitely ruined this game. The division is too deep. You can't make a move. You can't play the game. She's got one side of the house so pissed off they'd like to actually see someone get clocked. They are constantly calling them childish homophobic names. You can't move without getting her approval if you are on her side. I'd say that pretty much has ruined the game for the time being.

Onlyhuman

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1, she did what was best for HER at that time.

In your book, the only way that anyone wins this game is by making deals and alliances.

Well, that's true in a house where you can trust the people to keep their agreements. But Dana could not trust the others because she knew they were out to get her. She could have made deals all over town and Dave would still be hating her and relishing her moment of eviction, calling her names behind her back, Ali would be setting her up for betrayal, and though she doesn't know it, Jun would have been the first to put a knife in her back.

For Dana, her only hope right now is to keep her group together and to get lucky enough for them to win a couple of HOHs. That's her only option.

What possible deal could she have made with those people who hate her so much that they were willing to evict her last week IN SPITE of her alliance with them?

C1mag

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When those three guys thought their days were numbered they all said... "i don't care if I go I wan't out of here" She comes along and all of a sudden they are a bunch of name calling children. This tells me they don't think like her. She's a bad apple in this game and has to go.

Delilah

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree C1, also Dana has the numbers to spread her hatred around, Shannon, while mean and horrible, did not have any power in the house, she only had Will and Booger. I think Shannon thought of herself as superior and better than everyone else, Dana is just a hater IMO.

Lancecrossfire

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Getting back on track to the topic--I think Jack will end up going. (not saying it's what I want--just what I think will happen)

Nexell2

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't worry C1- even her own little trolls won't keep her.

Onlyhuman

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Dana or Justin goes, they probably will start scrambling a little because they will HAVE to. But they don't HAVE to do anything right now, so why should they?

It's so funny that you see Dana's side as the only one with anger issues. Have you listened to the things the other people have said? And they say it with such intensity and passion. Dana and her group say it loudly, but then, eventually, they calm down and get rational. The other side is just a seething mess. That's not Dana's fault, though I realize they don't believe it.

Costacat

Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't have any problem with "game moves" (lying to cover your back, or whatever). I do have a problem with one houseguest telling the others how THEY can play the game.

I don't have any problem with "creating drama" in the house. But when you create drama, don't then walk around and moan and groan (both of which are much nicer words than I'm thinking) and say that you only wanted it to be "fun" in the house. Cause it's a game, not a paid vacation.

I don't have any problem with wheeling and dealing, but I do have a problem with the amount of division inside the house. OK, so Nathan used the POV to take Ali off; is it really necessary to treat the two of them like total pariahs? And to continually mouth off about that person who used the veto (including the constant "I hate him's/her's).

I don't have a problem with badmouthing others. I do have a problem with continual badmouthing of others, including the use of derogative terms to describe those with whom you disagree. Along with that goes the constant cussing (which I could overlook if said cussing wasn't constantly surrounding all the other derogative terms).

I don't have problems with alliances. I do have a problem with how these alliances feed on themselves, and heaven forbid you should go talk to someone on the other side. As far as I know, the hot tub is open to EVERYONE.

Once again, this is an issue with which we all will never agree. We are as divided as the house. The difference, of course, is that we CAN and DO talk to each other, even when we wholeheartedly disagree.

And oh heck! This is the wrong thread.

I still vote to evict JACK!