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Meggieprice

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Minny- Ali is playing a dangerous game. Not for a minute do I think Justin will really stick with her and in Nate/Jack/Erika I think her chances are better. Jack and erika probably will not win comps but they are smart. I think Ali will regret this, though there is time for her to figure it out.

Keiffer

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 11:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But hasn't Dana actually won to challenges? If Ali had put Justin up with Dana then it would have been justin leaving and not Dana. And while her agreement with Justin may not be honest on either part, at least he has not shown an anger towards her, and nomminated her for eviction like Dana has. If the goal is to get Dana out, which I think it should be, then she couldn't put Justin up. Add to this that if he happens to win HoH at least there is a small chance he wont put Ali up... if Dana wins I think it a no brainer that Ali goes up, there is no chance of it not happening. For Ali this was good...

If she did not need Dana out so bad maybe she would have been better off with a Jee/Robert nommination, but I take issue with the idea that Justin is a stronger threat of winning things because he is a guy.

Minnyace01

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 12:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer - the only disagreement that I have in your assessment is this. If she would have put up Dana and Justin, I believe that she could have convinced her allies to vote out Dana. The problem that I have with her strategy lies with the veto. I still think that Justin will save Dana with it if he wins it and that puts Ali in the same position as before and weakens her alliance. If Justin does not win the veto and he abides to the agreement that Ali feels that they made, Ali comes out smelling like a rose. Just to many chances in that scenario for me.

Kalekona

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 12:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Justin is NOT going to use the veto.. that puts up one of HIS allience. The 5 of them already talked about this and agreed they understood-the guys would use the veto to safe one of them as would the girls but would NOT use it safe the other since their core allience would be put up in place of whoever was saved.

Rissa

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not convinced that Justin WOULD save Dana. Doing so would send the message to Ali that whatever links them together in this game is over. I agree with all of you who think Justin would oust Ali in a second, but I am not sure if he would feel this is the right time to be so blatant. Whatever he does, or anyone does... SOMEONE within his group of five is going, he can't change that. Would he rather lose Dana or Robert/Jee? In the long run he might feel more secure maintaining the boys club.

Clio!!! Don't go getting logical when I am trying to play amateur psychoanalyst. :)

Keiffer

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 12:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Minney, I am not seeing how Ali talks her side into voting off Dana instead of Justin. They would bot be this upset with her not putting him up if they didn't know they were going to vote him out if given the chance.

Cliotheleo

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 12:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL! Ok Rissa, I'll behave. :)

Minnyace01

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 12:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer - IMHO, which apparently isn't highly thought of here, if she would have called in Nate, Jack, and Erica into the HOH after putting up Dana and Justin, and explained to them that she wants them to vote out Dana because she is out to get her, I think that they would have. She would have had to convince them that Dana is just as big of a threat to win the competitions as Justin is, and convince them that take out Dana now and Justin next. Would she have succeeded, probably not, but worst case, the other side would have probably voted to keep Justin, so she could have voted out Dana.

Keiffer

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 12:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Minny, would the other side have decided to vote out Dana instead of Justin? Is that for sure? Seems to me Dana might have been able to convince people on her team that David was a longer term threat to win physical challenges, and since she was so disliked she would be better at the end to be against, and convinced them to vote Justin out. Then with Jun vote for Justin to leave, Nate, Erika, and Jack there would have been four.

Dana would have stayed for sure if Justin had gone up.

Minnyace01

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer - if the guys in the Jee3 had stayed together and voted to keep Justin in, then it would have been Jun as the deciding vote. Would Jun have kept Dana over Justin, possibly but she is really wishy washy, and could have went either way on it. I also think that she could have sweet talked Nate to keep Justin in. She can be pretty persuasive when she wants to be.

C1mag

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 03:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The problem I have with this nomination is the promise Ali made before Nate used the veto. From the second Nate got POV Ali said.. "When you get me off and I get HOH next week the nominees are Justin and Dana and even though we are pissed at Dana, Justin goes first" That same line was said daily. You'd have to be an idiot not to see how she played Nate to use that veto on her. All she had to do was say that she would target the person that he wanted out first. That woman could give 200 excuses why she didn't do it but the fact is she screwed her team and knew right from the beginning she had no intentions of putting Justin up. She was so blatant about it that after both Jack and Erika gave their argument for putting up Justin she finally said in a round about way... "I'm the hoh and I can do what I want" You can debate every variable how Justin or Dana could have been saved had she put them both up but the fact still remains that she promised over and over and over and over that it was Dana and Justin with Justin goin and in the end she didn't even nominate him. She knew well in advance Dana didn't care for her but in the end all of a sudden it just mattered too much that Dana didn't care for her. I don't buy it for one second. She simply said what Nate, Erika, and Jack needed to hear to support her being taken off the block. We all saw her in action. Why she has decided she wants to play the game with Justin makes no sense to me at all because there is no way she will get passed all three of those guys.

C1mag

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 03:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
and what makes it more gross is that she will help the guys get rid of Jack, Erika and Nate. If she ever gets put back up she will campaign very hard to save herself over them.

Bluerose

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 03:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Too bad. Dana is toast. And that's the name of that tune.