Archive through September 02, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Finally!! A Gutless Houseguest Plays The Tearful "Financial Need" Card:
Archive through September 02, 2003
Woodpecke® | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:48 pm     Thanks, Steve. (Prepare for someone to comment on Robert's profane descriptions of women and Jee's selfish behavior and backstabbing. Many on this board will not address the negative characteristics of their favorite houseguest without bringing up another to compare. It's the old "he does it so she is justified" ploy.) |
Tobor7 | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:53 pm     My wife wants to know... what is it that is likable about Ali? And if you know Ali... or are related to her, or are her mom or anything like that... then you can't answer. My wife can't believe that there is a single viewer out there that actually likes her. I will print out your answer and give it to her to read, so make it good. |
Steveh | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:54 pm     You know Woodpecker the funny thing is that IMO Alison is fairly oblvious to what swine (and they really are) Robert and Jee are. She "hates" them and thinks they are "a**holes" for typically petty reasons; she overlooks their flagrant sexism (Robert) and general pretentiousness and duplicitness (Jee) and focuses on relatively minor things she's heard them say about her or, in the case of Robert last night, things she only THINKS they've said about her. Ali is all about Ali in any situation, the shortcomings and failings of others are not a factor in her behavior nor should they be a factor for those who defend her. |
Tobor7 | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:59 pm     Now Steve, if you figure out a way to say that in a positive and sarcastic way, then you get your membership card. Plus a 25% off certificate for the hard-to-get Super-Xarph ball shooter! LOL |
Meggieprice | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:00 pm     Watching tonight with my husband I decided that if Erika does leave next week my only desire will be to see Ali evicted as soon after that as possible. She may have played a good game in terms of manipulating her way to this point but I find her tactics despicable. I never thought I would prefer Robert to her but I do. |
Tobor7 | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:02 pm     Hi Meg! How is your back feeling? Better I hope. |
Smokey | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:04 pm     Steve, I think you have her pegged real well. R151996, I don't much relate to what you've posted. I didn't think anyone was viciously saying things about Ali that were not shown on tonight's show. To me, it is more like reporting what they see her do or hear her say, period. As far as people seeing through her, I think in that environment, and being someone who has some compassion, it could very well be so that Erika believes her when she sobs to Erika about how she feels about Robert and others in the house. I was putting myself in Erika's place, being with a much younger girl who is really upset and I think comforting Ali is only logical in that situation if you are a compassionate person. |
Riviere | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:05 pm     Alison has tried about every ploy I can think of on a reality show with almost every other guest to see what works at whatever moment! I've got a fantasy of Ali being chosen as Joe Schmo to see her schemes all backfire and her head really get messed with. But she'd probably go too ballistic and have a meltdown when she learned the show was all a fake and she was the only hamster. Would be funny watching her in that scenario instead of BB though! Playing the money card to Erika was nothing more than I'd expect, Ali's desperation is really showing now... |
Meggieprice | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:14 pm     Thanks for asking T7- my back hurts a lot- but it is on purpose cause the shots I have are supposed to make it flare up so it heals completely (www.prolotherapy.com). So I have my pain meds and hope for the best. And it twinges like crazy when I see Ali's self satisfied diary rooms. |
Zachsmom | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:17 pm     oh crap..need to get my dictionary to read this thread..
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Jag2000 | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:17 pm     Isn't it too bad that we (TV viewers) do not have the opportunity to vote out this weeks nominated HG like we did on BB1? Ali's crying about being soo poor and her father being a LAWYER and doesn't make any money makes me sick. Lawyer's in small towns and big cities all make money. I live in a small town in PA and the lawyers get at least $150 an hour and they are all very busy. Her boyfriend has no money is another excuse for her needing the money..give me a break..Riv- you are so right, her desperation is really showing now. |
Woodpecke® | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:19 pm     If I were pressed, I could actually make statements about Alison, Jee or Robert that WOULD deserve moderation or deletion. Steve makes an excellent point. Alison focuses on things about others that are secondary personality flaws. If she had entered the house waiting for others to make mistakes and capitalize on them, her drive for 500k would have been a snap. She admittedly couldn't beat anyone in this game at the end, save for possibly Robert. |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:21 pm     Each HG on the jury can use any criteria they desire to decide who gets their vote in the end. It is not wrong to use finacial need to judge, nor is it wrong for Ali to try to manipulate Erika into thinking about financies when making decisions. Frankly and finally (!!!!!) I'm starting to find Ali slightly easier to read. When she gets all passive and agreeable and starts saying "you,re right, you,re right, I know, I know..." - that's generally when she is bs-ing someone just keep them from realizing she may have a different agenda. The whole "I hate so and so...' I think is generally a bit truthful, but that doesn't mean she doesn't want to work with that person later, it just means she wants everyone to hate that person too. |
Woodpecke® | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:31 pm     I beg to differ, Gina. Discussing the financial situations of others while proclaiming to be caring and altruistic isn't against any written rules of this game, but many would correctly define it as condescending and completely tactless. While watching Alison tonight, I'm certain Alison's friends and family were angry and hurt by her naive dismissal of their pride and character. |
Tobor7 | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:35 pm     Gina--- No one said "wrong." I searched the page and you are the only one who used that word. I think we are saying that it is not an admirable or honorable trait. Actually rather slimy. Ali may be the type of person who uses a "death in the family" as a late excuse for work-- as opposed to "I over slept." She seems to take the low road when other roads are still open and without traffic. Plus she seems to enjoy doing it. |
Misslibra | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 10:25 pm     What bothers me she seem to really get off on the things she has done in this game. Now that is a bit freaky. If I were a friend of hers, I know I would never be able trust her after watching her play this game. Let's face it some people who play this game think the only way to get a head in it is to play in this way. There have been a moves in this game that Ali have made that I like, and some I hated. She feels she have play in this manner to win the game, no matter how many people she hurts along the way. I think she needs to stop trying so hard, because if she get to the F2 she isn't winning anyway ? How do I know Karma told me. So all of the things she is doing like bringing up her BF's money problems (which has nothing to do with her in reality) and thinking if she keeps Robert or Jun till the end isn't going to work, she'll never win it. She's betrayed people on the jury who thought they could trust her, and the other people on the jury don't like her period. Playing the style of game she is playing makes to many enemies in the game, and when you have to depend on their votes to win the game it isn't a smart move. I know the jury members are comparing notes on Ali and talking about how she played the game big time. That will definitely have a effect of the out come of the voting. Why they sequestered the jury all together still poisons the jury pool.IMO They might as well let them see tapes from the shows. I know some say the jury should put personal feelings aside but that isn't going to happen. Only thing Ali should be working for is getting to the F2 she can forget sitting herself up to win the big money, which would save her, and other people she use embarrassing moments like using how poor her BF is. |
Tobor7 | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 10:28 pm     AH-MEN! |
Spunky | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 10:32 pm     I don't care how conniving Ali is but if she wins the game it means she outplayed and outsmarted the others somehow. If she can beat Jun, she must have done something right... or not as bad as the others. There are worse people than Ali in that house and in the world as we know it. |
Meggieprice | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 10:33 pm     Yes- exactly- that self congratulatory smirk in her DR has led me to dislike her so that even though Jun has done some similar things I do not feel the same way about her... She actually could earn some points, and maybe even votes, if she actually kept her word with someone for a change. Robert is the only one she has not allied with so if she takes him she will have betrayed every other person. My hopes? ERIKA 1ST JUN SECOND ROBERT THIRD ALI FOURTH I know it probably wont be but I can dream... |
Misslibra | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 10:47 pm     Spunky you really do think she could beat Jun in the F2 ? I'm thinking once the remainder of the jury pool (the last people evicted from the house, if Ali isn't one of them) are not going to give it to Ali. She screwed Nate over, and I really don't think she will get his vote at the end. Oh, wait a min forgot she promised him a car if she won, so he might give her his vote. ( I wouldn't hold my breath for that car if she wins if I were Nate) Dana hates her... end of story. Justin I think once he hears how Ali screwed over his buddies wont vote for her to win. He asked Ali before he left to watch out for them since he was leaving. (not her job but I guess she was suppose to take Justin's place with the boy's). Jee is another one she betrayed. If she betrays Erika like I think she is going to do, I don't think she will get Erika's vote. And Jack don't like her, don't think he will give her his vote either. And if Robert leave he sure wont give her a vote. If Jun leaves she might get a vote from Jun. And since they are all sequestered together I could see the majority winning, once they get together and compare notes on Ali. |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 10:50 pm     IMO - all the remaining HGs have used some pretty despicable tactics to get where they are. Erika, who likes to act all nice and compassionate never passes up a chance to bash Dana. I don't care if no one on earth likes Dana - it doesn't make it ok to bash someone, just because she is unpopular. Jun last night, after listening to Jee poor out some of his frustrations, went straight to Ali and Erika and called him a sore loser and worse. Jee's already out of the game, but she couldn't hold back she still had to kick him while he was down. Robert? Well, everyone knows about Robert, the misogynists rants, the failing to mention his daughter when it comes to winning the money. I think all these actions (Erika's, Jun's, Robert's) are pretty disgusting and shamful the same as some of the actions Ali's been guilty of. However unlike in past years, I don't see any one HG as being more guilty of these reprehensible activities than another. This year, they've all done it (both in quantity and ill quality) - BIG TIME!!! So, in the end, I'm not going to judge on this, because everyone of them has done it. Using the I need the money card is the least of my worries in this game. IMO - Completetly within the realm of fair play. |
Spunky | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 10:58 pm     Misss... you asked "do you really think????" I only said... "If Ali wins..." that's a long shot! I do not "really think" Ali is going to win.. I was only making the point that no matter how conniving Ali is "if" she wins she deserves some credit. I wouldn't fret about Ali...she's young and will soon learn that she can't always win... |
Misslibra | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 11:04 pm     I think the difference is Gina the other HG's aren't using a excuse like "my BF is so poor" that is why you should vote for me to win. Like you said not even Robert has used his daughter as a reason to win the money. I don't think anyone is arguing that fact that they all have did some tasteless things during the game, although some more then other's have went way over board with some of the things they have said and done. |
Misslibra | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 11:07 pm     Ok Spunky, that is why I ask wanted to make sure I was reading what you said right. See it's always good to ask if your not sure, and I did mis-understand you. Thanks for responding. |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 11:15 pm     Sorry, no one can convince me that Alison's actions are somehow worse than the others. I'm completely disgusted by all of them. IMO There is NO WAY what Alison has done in this game is any more appalling than the other players who remain. This clears me to simply look at the game. IMO, Jun, Erika, and Alison are all playing the game very hard and very well. Whoever comes out on top out of these three in the end, will IMO be the best player this year. |
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