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Where's Jack's FBI training???:
Archive through August 01, 2003
Cute1073 | Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 11:17 pm     I have scrolled back and read comments and I really have to agree with maris here. Jack has certainly left me very unimpressed with his game playing. I didn't expect him to do well physically but mentally he has been all talk. Like on the show last night in the DR he's saying that he was a negotiator....well i've seen him talkin but I haven't seen him do much convincing. Plus his assessments of houseguests have only been the obvious stuff like that Dana is playing with emotion....well duh! and that it's like Jr High in the house...well they are all younger (and we know how TERRIBLE that is) I'm not insulting him at all but I don't see any magical wonderful FBI skills coming into play into the house. When would he have come across a situation like this one during his career, when I ask you?! Jack is doing the under the radar thing well and should just keep it up cause anyone that speaks out in this group seems to get their head cut off (or an attempt anyway) |
Costacat | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:16 am     I'm sorry, but I'm with Maris here. I do NOT see Jack as "having used his brains." EVERY single time he tried to sway the noms, he failed. He even managed to get himself nominated. I also don't agree with the comment that "he must've been good since he was there for 30 years." Many people in government positions stay there until they retire. That doesn't mean they are good at what they do. It just means they are not terrible. Finally, I think that Jack's assessment of the other houseguests did not require any particular insight. Most of his assessments could have been based merely on the fact that he is older, therefore has more experience with PEOPLE. I'm sorry, I just don't see any "proof" that Jack is a superior person because of his employer or longevity. |
Lurknomore | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:39 am     Now see I, on the other hand, am VERY impressed with Jack and how he is playing this game. He has managed to come in and convince folks he is NO threat. Did you see the faces the first show when he told them he was a former FBI agent...looked like he would be the first one out the door. He has dealt stayed friendly with all of them, when I'm certain he is losing his mind (as I would be) trying to cope with that very young acting (which is worse than just young) "like, you know," group. So far he hasn't made one enemy in the house, betrayed one person, or been a serious threat for eviction. If that isn't enough he has been America's most popular player each week. So call me crazy, but add that all up and it doesn't sound to me like he is playing that poor a game. And right now he is seriously the main reason I didn't nuke my feeds after David left. |
Grits | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:46 am     The nature of these forums is that we are looking at 13 lab rats. Unknown to 99.9+% of us. Critiqueing is the norm. Even the best liked hamsters, like Sheryl, got hit. Her son did the right thing here by not defending her against every bad comment. A good example for personal friends of any of the HGs. |
Jbfrommi | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:49 am     I agree with everything Lurk said. I hope Jack or Erika walk away with the $500,000 |
Twinkie | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:02 am     Getting back to the title of this thread. All FBI training is done in Quantico, Virginia. And don't ever judge a man's training or competence on being thrown into a TV reality show. How good do you think you would be at this? |
Lurknomore | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:08 am     Actually Twinkie I think I would be very good at BB (not so good at the FBI lol). Of course I've watched endless hours of the game, have seen what has repeatedly gotten HG's into trouble, and have an idea of how to play with a good strategy that won't alienate people. Not sure if my mouth would eventually permit this, but I would sure give it a college try and at least I'd know what I'm doing lol. |
Scorpiomoon | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:14 am     For the first (and probably only) time, ever, I completely agree with Maris. Maris, I'm sorry to see you taking such a bashing for your astute opinion. |
Minnyace01 | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:16 am     Lurk - I agree with you and think that I would also do a pretty good job in the game, based upon what I have seen work previously. But, don't you find it surprizing at how poorly Dana is at the game, considering that she has applied at least 4 times for the show (according to the LFP) and must have watched the show a lot. |
Lurknomore | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:22 am     Actually no Minny because she is out of her mind and one of the most annoying people I've ever seen or heard in action (I swear her voice has given me goosebumps on several occassions). She also seems clueless to how others view her. Just cause she was a fan of the game sure didn't make her a "student" of it. I'm only out of my mind occassionally LOLOL so think that wouldn't impact me in the game. The fact I would probably stand on the kitchen table one night (if I was in with this crew) and yell at the top of my lungs OMG SHUT UP ALL OF YOU...I NEED SOME SANE ADULTS TO DEAL WITH, might be my potential downfall lol. |
Creampuff | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:47 am     I know a guy who is a computer engineer (24 yrs.) and a noted authority at that. Because of his experience + knowledge he travels extensively, both nationally and abroad. He is absolutely brilliant both in his own particular field and otherwise. Those who know him and don't know who he is and what he does would never have a clue since he apparently feels no necessity to call attention whatsoever to that. He's friendly, cordial to all and fits in wherever he goes, with both young and older. I said earlier on, in another thread, that I feel that perhaps Jack is playing his role much as an undercover cop might. I can picture the guy I described above doing just that if he were one of the houseguests. He's very calm and seemingly laid back, uses no 'big' words and is just a real nice guy. Why does anyone think they could perceive what anyone such as Jack (or my friend) based on what they might say, or not say, may be doing? No one knows how the planned strategy may present itself. Because one cannot see it doesn't mean it's not there! Given Jack's background I would find it hard to believe he is just along for the ride! It took a long while before Will's strategy was known and if he hadn't told the HG's he was a doctor who would have guessed? My point is . . . just because Jack hasn't voiced much doesn't mean he doesn't have a method at work. I don't know if I explained my thoughts very well as I am in a terrific hurry. Hope whoever reads this gets the gist of what I am attempting to say! |
Cliotheleo | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:53 am     Creampuff, you've explained your thoughts very well! In other words, we're never gonna hear Jack make the mistake of announcing to the HGs that he's the "f-ing Alpha Male." |
Scorpiomoon | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:11 am     Minny: Are you serious? Dana has applied 4 times? This perplexes me. Last night, I heard Dana say to someone that the producers should give them a board game as a luxury item. You'd think someone who is as familiar with BB as Dana would appear to be would know they are not ever going to be givena freakin' board game. And that leads to the question: No matter what one might know or what your previous experiences are, when you enter the house do you lose all touch with common sense and logic? |
Maris | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:23 am     Exactly Scorpio. Dana is the only one in the house I believe that has followed BB from BB1. She was a major fan and yet, she has misplayed this game from the "jump". In an unrelated moment, the HGs were talking about how their competitions are much harder than last year's and Erika said to them, it is one thing to watch the show from the outside and another thing to actually be in the house. Time and time again we see houseguests make the same mistakes and we say, What are they thinking??? Erika said last night that Dana would go down in BB history as the most evil of all the HGs, I disagree with that assessment but I do think she will go down in history as having played the worst game in BB history. She is pure entertainment for me but a terrible player. Remember last year, who was the BB fan??? It was Lori and she was the first one out of the house. I am an avid BB fan and can see what they are all doing wrong but I suffer under no illusions that I would survive in the house. Part of the fun is watching these so called BB experts who are so sure their strategy will win them the game, crash and burn on the same strategy. I also think that the valuable lesson any long time BB watcher should learn is DO NOT APPLY FOR THIS GAME |
Cliotheleo | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:29 am     I dunno Scorpio, I've watched all four seasons religously and watched the feeds for the last three years .......... no, I think I remember watching the first season as well .......... anyway, I don't think I knew they couldn't have a board game. (Why is that anyway?) But I agree with your larger point, for someone who says she's watched the show a lot, she sure says/does some weird things. |
Lurknomore | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:29 am     But again Maris...Lori <> couldn't keep her mouth shut. Now I may come here and be fast and loose with the keyboard because I CAN be myself and I'm not trying to win half a mil. But if I was in that house I would KNOW how to play it and try my best to do so. BTW, I believe the biggest BB fan in the house last year was Jason and he did quite well...and probably would have won the thing if only he didn't let go of the key. (c) |
Maris | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:32 am     Lurk they all walk in there thinking they can keep their mouths shut. lol. I think Jason let go of the key deliberately, Jason never made mistakes. |
Lancecrossfire | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:32 am     Maris, interesting points. I think that I'd like to tweek your premise just a bit though, and get your take on it. I think that being a fan of BB (or survivor) can help. I think the mistake they make is trying to use what worked in one case for their situation. And since each group is different, a previous approach may be horrible for that given group of people. Richard Hatch played a great game--but wouldn't have won in any of the other shows becuase they were a different gruop of people. I think that someone like Dana needs to take ideas she learned from being a fan and applying them. Such as being a power monger during HOH run can come back to bit you. (not saying she did--just using an obvious example). I think using the idea to be adaptive to changes is something a BB fan would know. I think we've alos seen in these shows that making the right move can still get you punished (Rob from the last Survivor) and making a goof can still keep you in the game (Kathy and her first 3 weeks on Survivor)--sometimes chance and how others do in relation to you can affect what happens to you. There is one thing I completely agree with you about--being in the middle of it is a much different perspective than being on the outside watching. |
Lurknomore | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:35 am     Hey this is unusual Maris...I agree AND disagree with you on the same point LOL. I agree Jason let go of the key on purpose but I don't think he realized how badly he needed not to....so that WAS a mistake. |
Spunky | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:40 am     I think Jack was more of a diplomat or a mediator, he's so ready to agree with everyone and praise them for their performance. He knows that through praise he gets more info out of them and by agreeing he gets more cooperation as they feel more at ease with him. But I don't see strategy skills. All he says: Okay, I'll work on him (Justin). But when he is with Justin all he does is agreeing with him and praise him for his work and tell him he's the best player in the house. Then he comes out of the meeting and HE/we don't know....jack. |
Maris | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:42 am     I agree with you 100% Lance. The biggest lesson one should take away from BB is that what worked in the past may not necessarily be the strategy to use. Dana lost all sight of strategy after realizing she was being plotted against. She went into crisis mode and his been in it ever since. Flexibility is everything. Look at this year, how many HGs have talked about the HGs who are flying under the radar. I can think of at least four of this year's HGs who have said don't let someone squeak through. Admittedly their memory only goes back as far as the previous year's BB. I think this years final two will be very hard players but who knows. |
Frannie | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:48 am     People assume that being with the FBI is prestigious because they have top people with top training. Perhaps it's more likely the fact that they get to run around and beat people up etc. without having to answer to the police. Maybe Jack's double bluffing, and he's more intelligent than the rest of them put together (not too hard, admitedly). |
Creampuff | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:27 am     We shouldn't forget either that we get to see AND hear *all* of the HG's expressions, comments, plotting, etc. If any one of the HG's knew the full picture of what was happening, at any given moment, they might do altogether different. One has to work with what they have! Much easier to sit out here and critique their performance(s)/non-performance(s). How many times, after the fact, do we see and hear that HG's were lying to each other or plotting among themselves? |
Cliotheleo | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:29 am     Creampuff I agree, I don't claim to know the HGs real strategy until I see in confirmed in the DR. I know there have been a couple of times when I've thought one thing and the HGs have said another on the show. I just wish we could see the DR sessions for that reason. |
Creampuff | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:39 am     What you said Cliotheleo is so true! Wouldn't it be great if we could see more of the DR sessions? AT times what they say in there is just so enlightning, if not totally opposite! Great examples of that were Will and David. |
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