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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Jack and Dana? War of Words?: Archive through August 05, 2003

Mssheila

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 07:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am missing something HUGE today. On the feeds, Dana has been complaining all day long about how RUDE Jack was to her, he made her feel so bad, like a W**** for messing around with Justin, personal attacks, etc.... But I've looked everywhere for this "attack" on Dana, and I cannot find it?!? If anyone knows what is happening here, please fill me in! I'm dying to know! I hear her speweing all day about this, and I'm reading about her freaking out and telling J3 that they "threw the HOH comp to get her out of the house". Even Justin has gone ice cold, and I have no clue why! HELP! LOST FAN! LOL! Sheila

Spunky

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 08:16 pm
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Of course she doesn't want the tiebreaker. I just hope Jack has merci on her and tells her "Don't worry, it was going to be 6-0 even before you told us that's what you wanted. It's not only us but your three 'friends' had already agreed to vote you out".

But I guess, someone will spare her this sadistic revelation and will simply tell her: "Okay, as you wish, 6-0".


Someone just read my post yesterday...that's all.

Teachmichigan

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 07:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From another site's updates, Dana was told by Jack that the 3 stooges threw the HOH competition. Dana (of course) flipped out so then the 3 stooges really did get ticked off. In the last hour or so, Dana has apologized and the three said, "Hey...if you hear stuff...come to us with questions, not accusations!"

Hope she doesn't let the door hit her in the butt on the way out.

Spunky

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Finally someone on the Live Feeds wrote what Jack told Dana, as he was telling Erika all about it. I'm still curious to hear the way he said it... But from the words it doesn't seem to me he was being vicious or vendictive... just honest. He should have known better though, that Dana could only take it the wrong way and that's going to hurt him in the end...

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 02:24 am
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Jack and Erika in their beds in turtle room

Jack: I said Dana, I don't know what the vote is, but there are cracks in the group.. think about how many ping pong balls they got, you saw them practice, look how they did when it came down to it... those three guys are not together, they are telling you something that isn't true... she spent the day grilling their asses... ends up mad at us after she talked to Jun

Erika: she wants to believe Justin because she likes him.

Jack: as much as Justin slobbers all over her, he wants to vote her out.. the history of this game is that if you hook up, you are doomed, you don't want to be sleeping with somebody... Dana said I appreciate your honesty but you could be lying to me, couldn't you... and I said, but I'm not.. she wants you and I to save her when the guys she trusts the most are stabbing her in the back, I wanted her to know.

Nanc

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
and....according to Dana, Jack's final words to her were....."whatever happens Dana, go out with your head held high"

Of course Dana didn't take that as good advise.

Mssheila

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She said jack made her feel like a tramp, (not her word) for hooking up with justin, etc. It sounds like Jack really laid into her? Anyone else know anything? And Spunky.. I didnt understand what your post had to do with my question, could you clarify? Sheila

Naja

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I missed the conversation live, so I only know what I have read. To me it just sounded like Jack was just being honest to her. As to his motive, the only thing that makes sense to me is that since Dana will be part of the Jury, Jack wanted her to have the full picture before leaving. Why would he want her to have the full picture before leaving? If Jack makes it to the final 2 against a Jee3 member, he wants Dana's vote. He won't have it if Dana leaves thinking the Jee3 were truly honest and always supporting her 100%. Only it backfired on Jack because Dana didn't see it Jack sharing a truth, she saw it as him trying to hurt her. I hope that makes sense.

Spunky

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Right 'o.. Naja!

Mssheila... I'm sorry..sometimes I don't even know what I want to clarify...eh, eh...

Seamonkey

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Jack will be getting Dana's vote.

Kalekona

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack mixed little bits of truth with little lies. He didn't do it to be honest with Dana, he did it to make her pop.
There is no way Jee3 threw the HOH, it was to likely to be Justin up on the block.
And lets face it they all want each other out..

Maris

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack did it as part of their plan to split up the exes. Jun now doesnt trust Justin, Robert keeps asking Justin are we still cool, Justin doesnt trust Jun. Watch them all blame Dana. They are all too dumb to play this game. The only one who saw it for what it was is Jee and nobody is listening to him. He keeps saying jack did this to split us up and that is the only thing we have going for us, the trust.

The fact is Jun and Robert are responsible for this mess to begin with. They gave Jack the ammunition.

Mssheila

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
kalekona- did you hear what he said to her? I'm still trying to figure out WHAT exactly he said, not really what he's telling Ericka, because that's his version of what he said. What he REALLY said sounded like it was much more of an attack, not just telling her what "she needs to know" about j3. I wish I had heard it myself, that would have been GREAT, but I'm still hoping someone caught it, not just the recanted version he told Erica. ANYONE KNOW? PLEASE FILL ME IN! LOL! Thanks to everyone who has helped so far, you have definetely filled in some blanks for me, I am suprised, actually, that this isnt a bigger deal than people are making it. Jack going off on Dana would be a huge highlight for me, I'm suprised that more posters havent chimed in. Thanks to all who have, Sheila

Jigglywigglyjun

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Someone please help me out here.. Why doesnt Justin trust Jun anymore and why is robert questioning Justin? Please anybody? I ve been away two days..

Cinder

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am thinking that it may not have been on the feeds at all.

Maris

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok Jiggly.

Justin doesnt trust Jun because Jun accidentally revealed last night that she doesnt tell her alliance everything and that she and Dana did share secrets.

Robert is questioning Justin because Justin told Dana something and revealed a confidence that Jun told him. They had all agreed not to tell Dana anything and Justin not out of any meanness told Dana that Jun knew she was campaigning against her and the biggies is that Jun repeated a conversation to Justin that she had with Dana where Dana warned Jun to keep to herself and trust nobody. Justin then repeated to Dana that Jun told him about the conversation. Robert is beginning to think that Justin isnt that loyal. Really it is just Robert sowing the seeds to deflect any attention away from him in case the elites get HOH. He is setting up a Justin eviction in case he is against Justin.

Jigglywigglyjun

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 02:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank You Maris your a gem!!!! So I see that alliance is starting to unravel huh.. I wonder If Jun will jump ship to the dark side alliance again... Im sure she will!

Reader234

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 03:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, I think I need pictures to go with that statement!! Thank you for trying to clarify, I do believe I need to pay more attention.

The one thing I'll be curious is whether Dana will be able to "see" tapes and really get a dose of what was going on behind her, or because of 'her' actions!

I'll bet she will leave with her head held high, because I'll bet its in all of the hg best interest, and that they are somewhat clued into that aspect in the DR - if the DR wanted Drama on their exit, I think they could encourage that too.. will be interesting!!

Mssheila

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 04:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if the J3 alliance really would unravel. These three act like they've been the best of friends all their lives, they act like they trust each other completely, and that NOTHING could ever come between them. If this is all it takes, you gotta wonder if it ever was strong to begin with. It would be very interesting to see who the J3 alliance members gravitate to if they are separated. I always thought they would split up if Justin went out, but I almost think now... if it is already weakening, losing one member would break the whole thing up. Just to point out the topic again (like I need to) I still have no clue what exactly Jack said to Dana. If anyone knows where I could find that conversation, *not the conversation where Jack REPEATED the convo to Erica* but the actual conversation, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee post it here, or email me with a link where I can find it. I really hope maybe they will put it on the show tonight! I would think they would, considering the drama that Dana splattered everywhere after the J&D convo. I h ope so, but in case they dont, PLEASE give me a link if anyone knows where else it might be. My email is sh2satt@hotmail.com
My quest is still on! LOL! Sheila

Maris

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 04:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they will unravel after Dana leaves. Right now they have someone to blame, that will go away tomorrow night. Everything will hinge on HOH and then watch them scatter like cockroaches when the lights are turned on.

Laisey

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 04:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sheila, I have checked our LFPs an Jokers and it's not to be found. This is not surprising considering the extremely limited feed coverage they are providing. The HGs could be planning to storm the DR and take control of the show and we wouldn't know about it. But let Nate and Ali or Dana and Justin lie down on a bed and we've got all four feeds on it.

Mssheila

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 04:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
trying to clarify for Maris... and myself..
1. Justin doesnt trust Jun- she said she doesnt tell her alliance everything and that she has secrets with Dana.
2.Robert questioning Justin- Justin told dana something that broke confidence of JUN? who had told him it to begin with
3. Justin told Dana- A. Jun knows she is campaigning against her.
B. Jun told Justin about Dana telling JUN not to trust anyone
C. Justin tells DANA about the convo DANA had with JUN about not trusting anyone.
4. Robert starts to question JUSTIN'S loyalty- Justion has blabbed almost everything he has been told in CONFIDENCE right back to Dana. Robert wondering why Justin would do that if he were really pllaying the way they said they would.... IE: voting dana out without telling her ANYTHING before she goes.

Hope I didnt botch it, I was trying to straighten it all out for myself too. I think I understand a bit now. Sheila

Maris

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 04:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That is it in a nutshell and will all change again tomorrow. If I were Justin, I would approach Nathan for a secret alliance.

Mssheila

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 04:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, you are probably right. IF ANYONE KNOWS- LET ME KNOW. But the more likely scenario is that all 4 feeds were on one of these 5 things.

1. Justin and Dana- making out, him rubbing her belly button sending her into the throes of orgasmania.

2. Two or more members of the J3 alliance playing.. WHAT ELSE? CARDS. Blech...

3. Nathan and Ali in their silly little mating ritual which MUST be under the level of FOURTH GRADE MATURITY.

4. Dana giving Justin a massage or ravishing his body in some way or other.

5. The Tortoises.

Have I left anything out? I dont think so, I watch this stuff enough to remember..... Do I sound angry? LOL! It just gets Soooooooo old..... BLAHHHHHH Sheila

Laisey

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 04:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm going to watch the show, the last half of Last Comic Standing, and go to bed early. When I get up in the morning, unless I find Erika in bed with Robert, I'll know nothing unexpected happened.

Slg21

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 06:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Maris!
For the first time, I agree with you! I've thought for a while that Justin and Nate should form a secret alliance.

Seamonkey

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From what I understand Jack says that he just told Dana that her own alliance wanted her out and that Justin was just using her.. supposedly he was telling her to warn her or for "her own good" but especially the part about Justin just using her, Jack had to know that would hurt ANYONE.

I sort of doubt Jack's sincerity but in the past he went to Dana to say "all is forgiven; we want you back; you'll go far with the original alliance" and Dana wasn't having any of it.

I'm guessing that what he wanted was either to get Jun out because she is calm and keep Dana who is scattered, or even to get Dana on his side and get his side to vote Jun out and even if it was a tie, have Ali put Jun out but Jack was dreaming if he doubted that Ali wanted Dana gone and wasn't backing down.