The least Allison could do is .... save Nathan
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The least Allison could do is .... save Nathan
Meggieprice | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:18 pm     Is there any substance to the things I have heard about the HGs being told there is a twist coming? |
Misslibra | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:18 pm     Ali has so many times said wants Nate gone. Now she is sweating Nate about his comments to her. They hurt her feelings. Ali is trying to tell Nate what he should say to the stooges to get himself out of the position he is in. I think Nate tried that earlier today Ali and it was so weak. Nate stop listening to Ali. That is what got you where you are now. |
C1mag | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:22 pm     It's gotta be that Sean. Jee is obvioulsy trying to divide the house. I've seen him do it every day. |
C1mag | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:24 pm     Miss I agree. The man said exactly what I said about him and what he needs to do. Just save himself. It's time for this girl to stop lying to the man that kept her in the game. She knows he is the one going. |
Misslibra | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:27 pm     OK Ali fakeness talking to Nate is getting under my skin right at this very moment. |
Suitsmefine | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:28 pm     I wish Freddy Kruger would come into the BB House tonight via Ali's dreams and just take her away...OR... I hope that Jee and Robert are loyal to Justin and tell him all the stories Ali has been rattling off about him tonight...then Rob or Jee wins POV and Justin makes them use it on Nate and he puts Ali up!!!! |
Misslibra | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:28 pm     Oh look at her fake hug Nate. LOL Ali your a good actress. |
C1mag | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:31 pm     Miss it was more interesting to see his body language. He didn't let his hands touch her. He knows he got screwed by her. We all said he was gonna feel like an idiot. He was even granted the knowledge that she would sell him out prior to that veto meeting. Can you see her actually asking the guys to salvage him? What a useless conversation. |
Misslibra | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:32 pm     Very useless she only did it to make Nate think she cares, when she don't. And yes I notice his body language to. |
Funnyfarm | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:32 pm     She is practicing for all her acting jobs that will be coming up soon. |
Seanflynn2003 | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:33 pm     Good for Jee - he's campaigning. If it comes down to him and Jun in the final 2, he's like her vote, and putting down Jun helps. Nothing wrong with that. And nothing wrong if he is still nice to Jun to her face. Doesn't make him a bad guy either. They are all playing the game. |
C1mag | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:34 pm     It would be hard to be in his situation right now or for that matter any of them because you can't walk away from someone that is irritating you. In this case I'm sure he'd like to tell her to give it a rest and that she is very insulting to his intelligents. He knows what she's all about. I think it takes a hell of a nerve to ask the one person you know you screwed over to not be angry with you at this point. |
Misslibra | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:36 pm     That is what gets me the nerve of her to say her feelings were hurt by something he said when she totally screwed him over. |
K9lover1 | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:38 pm     Ali wants absolution as she's stabbing him the back. |
Bonzacat | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:39 pm     Meggie -- no substance confirmation that I know of. I've been keeping any eye out for any "twist" info, and other that the HG having a few converstaions this past weekend - nothing. Anyone feel free to add to this if they know anything. |
C1mag | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:40 pm     yeah sean Jee has decided today that he see's himeself in the finals all of a sudden so it's time to get those votes and in a masterful move of manipulation he has decided today to tell Alison that jun is spiteful, hateful, and will stab him in the back to get alison to give him the money. Hahahahahaha! Did I tell ya I saw a pink elephant today? UGH! |
Seanflynn2003 | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:51 pm     Using Jee to back up your dislike of Jun begs a couple of questions: 1) she and Jun have a secret alliance; good to bad mouth the other to throw people off 2) they had a bad break up, and aren't each other's best friends Jee's comments prove nothing |
Seanflynn2003 | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:53 pm     that of course was "he and Jun...." |
Amari | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 09:00 pm     Ali is working Nate because she's already lost juror #1's vote if she makes it to the final 2 and she'd like to have juror #2 on her side. Ali made it very clear in the DR that Nate was completely disposable to her. |
Misslibra | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 09:03 pm     Ali has lost juror number two's vote as well . She can try to work Nate all she wants but I really do not think it will work. At this point Nate would probably give his vote to one of the Stooges instead of Ali, due to her betrayal. |
Ministryoftruth | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 09:07 pm     And who would blame him? |
Misslibra | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 09:08 pm     Not I. |
Amari | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 09:11 pm     If we were talking about anyone but Nate, I would agree with you Misslibra, but I will be mighty surprised if he resists Ms. Ali's charms. He had a happy grin on his face when she was laying on top of him just a little while ago. I never cared for Ali, still don't, but I think she's playing a good game for herself. |
Misslibra | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 09:28 pm     Nate's body language to me when Ali hugged him a while ago was not a warm hug in return. I think Ali just might have did herself end with Nate this time. It might have been the last straw for him. I'm sure Nate also don't want to do anything to make her mad at him just in case he might get her vote for him to stay. I think that is the only reason Nate is playing it cool with Ali. I bet he would really like to tell her to stay the (self moderated) away from him. |
Scandalousplaya | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 09:57 pm     Hopefully Nate is just playing it cool just in case he survives this week. It's best not to burn any bridges in this game. So, he's doing right thing by appeasing her unwelcomed charm. Maybe Nate will pull a Susan Hawk on Ali if she makes to the final two? Who knows? |
Willsfan | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:04 pm     I loved that speech. Susan Hawk was also the only one who didn't lose any body weight during her stay. (I think every one else did) LOL <edited to add that after Richard won the first Survivor show I never watched that show again and never will. And if Nate gets voted out this time I will never watch BB again either. I guess the novelty has worn off and it's just not as interesting.> |
Scandalousplaya | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:15 pm     Oh come on Willsfan, you're telling me that it for reality tv...I'm no Survivor or Big Brother? What will you do? Nate should not blame Ali for making plans for herself however he should be mad that he knows that she won't try to win the POV to save him. Ali has no alligiance but towards herself and that's ok to some extent. She owes Nathan and if not for the good of it at least for strategic reasons. I mean, when you jump around like a tumbleweed you have to ask yourself where do I stand in the alliance? It is obvious that Ali is the low man on the totem pole when it comes to the Stooges. Or is she? Let me bring it to your attention that her and Justin had the secret alliance prior to Jun and Jee. I do remember seeing Ali plotting w/ Justin in the early stages of the game. "I won't nominate you if you don't nominate me." So, if I were the remaining four of the Elite 8, I would team up and kick the stooges out one at a time. Most likely go after Justin first...Erika and Jack need to win HOH next week. In fact it would be perfect to nominate Jun and Justin and let Jee decide who to save. |
Willsfan | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:20 pm     Well let's see I watch AI, Real World and there's about a dozen other realty programs on besides BB. LOL I guess I can live without BB. |
Lovedana | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:34 pm     You know, earlier, I was thinking Justin might be the Jason and Hardy for this year. However, seeing his choice vs. what Rob wanted, I will withdraw that view for now. I am starting to think the Hardy/Jason for this year is Nathan. On that basis, my guess is that Nathan will survive. He'll be fooled however to remain committed to Alison, in spite of her behavior. This means he'll be eliminated at the 3rd or 4th position. And sadly it would mean Alison would be the only Original 8 member to survive to the end. Happily, she'll just get second prize. The weirdest result would be if Justin came first place and she second. LMAO! Anyway, I said Nathan because he seems to like Alison a lot. He says one thing but does another because he seems carried away. I don't see anything in Alison, but he seems to see something in her. She's disappointed him, but no he'll still stay committed to her. The reason I hadn't assessed Nathan as this year's Hardy/Jason was because Alison wasn't the outright control freak, as was apparent in Danielle and Nicole. And I have heard Nathan criticize Alison, whereas I don't remember Hardy or Jason criticizing Nicole or Danielle. It wouldn't be Jun/Jee either, since Jee has said he's just using her to his advantage but is committed to his pack (i.e., Jee3). Whatever! This is basically my assessment, using past data. Things may be different this year though. By the way, I still think Justin made a poor choice if he really wants Nathan out. Nathan will survive this one (except if Alison or Jun is put up), in all likelihood. |
Whit4you | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:39 pm     I haven't quiet figured out why people think that because Nathan was a total fool - that Allie should be??? She's playing a game for a half a MILLION bucks, she's willing to do whatever it takes to win that million (Here in Spokane a Pizza guy was KILLED cause some druggie wanted his small bills, less than 50 bucks) All over the world people are robbed (been through this it was beyond tramatic...) for a few hundred bucks at convience stores, all over the world people are robbed, and/or killed for just a few thousand bucks etc.... She's playing a game to win 500,000 bucks, if men want to be idiots and fall all over her feet to hand her the prize, why do people think SHE should owe them for being such fools? I do have morals and I do think in some cases right is right and people should play fair, even in this game. But Nate was a total fool for saving her, and most in the house told him so. He's known since day one she had a boyfriend and has been all over him, David, and Justin... he's seen her in action and seen her scheming and lying and backstabbing ways and yet trusts her? Here's the deal, Nate made a deal with the J3 that if they save him he wouldn't put them up, in a case like that *I* would honor it (but wouldn't totally diss someone else for not doing so in this game) but as far as the Nate/Allie situation, I don't think she owes him anything for him being such a fool. |
Willsfan | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:55 pm     In this game if someone does you a favor you should do them "one" thing in return, but after that it's no holds barred. Nathan should have listened to the other HGs but Alison kept saying, "Trust me, Trust me" and in real life sometimes you trust the wrong person even though all your friends are cringing and yelling NOoooo. That's just my opinion. |
C1mag | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:58 pm     it is funny when you look back on that night before the veto because Justin wanted so bad to talk to Nate and tell him do not trust her she will screw you over buddy. He was gonna tell Nate about the deal she tried to make with him but Nate kept throwing him out of the room. It's like I pointed out... Nate knew what she was all about yet he still gave her the veto. All of us watching her that night said... "wake up Nate and don't use that veto" but he didn't and this is what he got. |
Whit4you | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 11:10 pm     I am not sure I made myself clear, Nate KNEW she was a snake in the grass, she'd told him so in so many ways. She'd told him she had made a deal with Justin but had no qualms in screwing Justin over. She'd told him she had a boyfriend, yet he knew she was cozying up to him, Justin and David.... he KNEW she was a snake in the grass yet voted to keep the snake IN. If the snake bites him in the buns then it's shame on him not her. She doesn't OWE him anything in my opinion. As I said in some cases keeping your word is something you should do. But when you've made it beyond clear to someone you are coniving, lying, and a snake in the grass, and they choose to ignore it...shame on them, not you for being the snake you'd already proven yourself to be. It's a game for 500 g's not pocket change. She's in there to win. I don't like her, but I think she's playing a dang good game, and anyone dumb enough to be played for a fool by her, doesn't desrve the 500 g's. I don't think she can make first place, I think she can and may get 2nd place, and she'll deserve it, she's not sitting back and letting others play, she's playing it for all she's worth. I'd be thrilled to see Justin win, and hook up with Dana (ie they together get to enjoy the 500 g's) and Allison has to live with that... but I'd also be happy with Allison, as much as I dislike her, winning - cause if she does win - she's earned it (and sold her soul in the process) Allison will do fine in life, she's an attractive gal, has a seductive personality, can put a man under her spell (but there is no antidote, trust me that's something I've learned lol) she can have what she wants in life regardless of what we might think of her and her willingness to do what it takes to make the 500 g's. I honestly don't think she's in this for the 500 g's though, she appears to me to be the kinda gal who could land a man who makes half that a year... I think she's in this for something else, the win.. the challenge... the exposure... or ? Anyhow she doesn't owe Nate a single thing. HAD she NOT let him know in any way who she really was, what she was really capable of then yes I'd feel bad for him for being 'had' - but he knew, clearly knew her abilities, capablities, of her lies, and so on... and he kept the snake in the grass in the house, if the snake bites his buns then he bared the buns for her to bite. (Just my 2 cents) |
Hellokitty | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 11:57 pm     I remember Ali telling Justin that she wanted to put him up last week to get Dana out, but he was uncomfortable with it so she didn't. BUT whenever the convo came up that Robert would use the veto Ali kept hinting that things would get worsxe for Justin. She made it clear that if Robert took anyone off the block, Justin was going in the place of whoever was taken off. If it was fair game for her why not for him? She would melt down and freak out I bet if she knew there was no hope for her to be taken off again, lol. So, I say to Justin (I know, lol...he can't read this, but the producers might *crosses fingers*) MAKE the veto winner take someone off and put Ali up and send her to be sequestered ALONE for a week with Dana, I might not cancel my feeds if I can see that train wreck. |
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