Archive through August 07, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Did Jack just throw HOH?:
Archive through August 07, 2003
Maris | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:58 pm     He wont say he blew it. He will blame it on the crazy kids in the house. |
Vskatefan | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 11:01 pm     Jack an old man? I guess in 18 years I will be an old woman.. He's 58 not 158! |
Lurknomore | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 11:02 pm     Let's not forget though, he may have blown the first question on purpose but did anyone but Justin really have a chance at winning? They ALL went out on something he knew cause it was a quote Ali had on a calendar. Can you say RIGGED?!?! |
Chai | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 11:36 pm     I think that Jack did throw the HOH comp tonight. It seems to me that after a career with the FBI he would have been trained to take in details and to observe people; not just what they look like, but what they say and how they speak as well. I really do think he could have won this comp if he'd wanted to. The thing is, I'm not sure why he would have blown it. It seems as if he would really need to win an HOH about now. I'm not sure he's safe with Justin up. I think Justin will certainly nominate Nathan, but he will, in all likelihood, nominate Jack or Erika as well. |
Bluerose | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 11:46 pm     But what about Justin saying in the HoH that he's putting up Nate and Jack and wants Nate out? I read it on the updates. |
Wendo | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 11:51 pm     Lovedana, I know you think Justin should put up Nate and Ali. But, Justin has already said, many times, tonight that he's putting Jack up with Nate. He's going to honor the deal he made with her; she didn't put him up, he won't put her up. |
Chai | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 11:52 pm     Blue, It's possible that he feels pretty safe as a "pawn", but we all know that it's pretty risky to be put up even as a pawn, as Michelle found out. |
Bohawkins | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 12:25 am     I think that Jack simply answered incorrectly. I saw his face and he just looked like he felt stupid to me. Did he say Alison as the one who obsessed about everything? Really any one of them could have worked for that except perhaps Amanda, because these were things the evicted houseguests had said about themselves. Perhaps he was thinking that Dana would not have been so self deprecating. Why anyone would think that anything was awry with Justin getting that Alison had some kind of elephant connection is a surprise to me. As the kids say: duh? I guessed Alison immediatedly. After all the shennigans where they carried on about Alison and her blue elephant the guys trying to kill it and her sleeping with it, the moment the presenter mentioned an elephant I figured everyone would say Alison. I think the others kicked themselves after that one. This seemed to be fair as far as the questions were concerned. All the questions seemed so obvious to me including the legally blonde one. |
Lancecrossfire | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 12:59 am     I don't see the motive for Jack to throw the HOH. He gains nothing by doing so. Also, should he decide to throw one, I would hope he could cover it up just a bit better--lol. |
Beruthiel | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:33 am     I thought he outguessed himself. I've done the same thing with crosswords, because the obvious answer seems too easy. Since he's a year younger than I am, I don't go for his age being the answer! The logic of throwing it is also beyond me. There would seem to be no practical reason why it would give him any advantage, and would leave him open to risk. It may very well be that he's just getting fed up with the whole thing and wouldn't mind going home at this point. He seemed distinctly without energy in his DR segments, on this show, so perhaps the gilt has come off the gingerbread for him by now. A lot of us have found it boring - how more so must it be for someone like him to be in the house with a bunch of kids with whom he can't even have a decent conversation? I'd be doing my darndest to lose if I were him! |
Philamom | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 03:03 am     Jack may not be playing the "smartest" game, but he's far from dumb. It makes no sense at all for him to throw that competition. No matter how you look at it, there are no benefits to his losing the competition. He had dumb moment, and I want to smack him upside his head. |
Scribe | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 04:33 am     I just read the thread - coming in I had no doubt that Jack answered incorrectly on purpose -now not so sure - |
John32070 | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 04:51 am     I wonder if Jack is becoming like Kent to where he's decided it's not worth the agrevation to stay anymore. I still remember when Kent walked out the door in BB2 and said "Thank God" LOL. |
Costacat | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 05:44 am     Although Dana has said many times that she is OCD (including the first night during the "introductions"), I truly believe Jack just guessed wrong. He had a look on his face like "I cannot BELIEVE I did that, I DO know the correct answer" as he walked away. And at any rate, why would you ever want to intentionally throw the first question? You *would* be accused of throwing the comp then (especially if, in his case, you're the only one who got it wrong). |
Jagger | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 06:26 am     I think he threw it on purpose, he keeps telling everyone how bad he is at the competitions, how he always loses them. He keeps telling people they need to get rid of the strong players. Hopefully his screw up will back fire on him and he gets the boot tonight. |
Sasman | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 06:54 am     I think that Jack was stunned that he had gotten that one wrong. Thus, this explains why he forgot to cover up his face thingy with the blue board and Julie had to ask someone else to do this for him. And Lovedana, I am about Jack's age and I certainly don't think at all that I am an old man. What are you, 15? lol |
Justareader | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 07:01 am     I think jack did throw it and then tried to convince his other HM's that he did not and that "he froze" and can't believe how he missed it etc. He knew this week Nathan is the target, thus not necessary for him to win this week - I believe he wants the opportunity to win next week - getting closer to crunch time and all. I have said before this may be a fatal mistake for him... But I don't think he could have gotten the last question anyway - I am sure that the personal pronoun referred to in the question was a "he" putting the only evicted male in forefront of peoples minds. Thus because of the quick nature of the game he also would have chose Dave and Justin because of the personal knowledge of Ali's calendar page would still only be the correct answer. mostly JMO |
Pantageas | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 07:14 am     Cricket: Jun was upset because for HER scheme to work, she needs both sides to remain as strong as possible for as LONG as possible. She knows she is the first one to go after one side gets totally "Pagonged". If the final 5 are her, Alison, and the J3, she's "dead girl walking". Jack and Erika need to wise up QUICK. In past year's BB, getting HoH meant drawing attention to yourself and choosing sides. In BB4, Jack and the "originals" DREW sides before the 5 "Xs" even entered the house! Anytime you throw HoH, you are making it easier for your enemies to get it and vote YOU out...! |
Mademoiselle | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 07:36 am     For what it is worth, I am 100% sure that Jack did NOT throw the competition. He wanted very badly to win for his alliance, knew this was a "make it or break it" week, and would not do anything to jepardize Erika as a few of you have indicated. He's not that old, but he's tired, and he blew it. True, I have the inside track when it comes to Jack, but I have 25 years of knowing him and loving him, and I will add my two cents. I hurt for him, because he is an honorable man, and he made a mistake. Plain and simple. I'm going back into the shadows now. |
Outlawout | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:14 am     Well, either way, I just can't understand what the deal is with Jack and competitions. He is my favortite guy in the house, the only one I find more interesting than objectionable. In day to day BB life, he seems smart, savvy, observant, an astute reader of others motives and personalities, physically fit, and generally coordinated. WHY IN GOD'S NAME DOES HE LOOK LIKE A COMPLETE FOOL IN EVERY SINGLE COMPETITION!?!?! I'm dumbfounded. He couldn't be stupid enough to have thrown this HOH. He KNEW the dangers of Justin winning. And yet, that question was a huge no-brainer. On the other hand, he's also gotten a lot of milage out of "I'm no threat in competitions" in his arguments. I just don't know, and it's frustrating the heck out of me. IF he's throwing comps. there's only one way I can make sense of it. He has never made a decent showing in any comp, beginning with the fish guts comp (except the ping pong balls where he had very strong motivation to win) Since Allison chose to preserve the J3 which keeps them very vulnerable, he might feel it behooves him to continue to look like "no threat" so that the stooges definitely go after Nate and (maybe) Allie or Erika first, and hope that he can regroup with Justin or Jee at the next shake up. But it seems to me that winning HOH this week would have been a much simpler choice. I just have this inkling that Jack's unexplainable strategy will turn out to be brilliant. Unfortunately I think the chances are better that he'll end up losing anyway and having fallen on his face literally and figurativley in a dozen competitions to do it. SHEESH! COME ON JACK. If you don't at least place in this game, I am digging a bomb shelter in my backyard, moving myself and the dogs in and throwing away the key because I cannot live in a world where shallow, vacuous narcissism is its own reward. ARGH Sorry. I'm really disillusioned. |
Jpgramma | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:21 am     I believe you Madem. As I've said before, I'm the same age as Jack, and well, sorry to say, but it's true that "the memory is the second thing to go". Momentary brain pharts are, unfortunately, a fact of getting older. Here's hoping Erika wins POV, breaks her word to Justin and uses it to take off Jack, that Justin then replaces Jack with Ally (as he told his mates and June last night he would), and that Jack & Erika persuade June to vote Ally out, making it a 3-2 vote to boot Ally. Madem..would you please send some telpathic message to Jack that this is their only hope? (As a long time married myself, I DO believe such things are possible) maybe?? ;) |
Seamonkey | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:27 am     Mademoiselle.. I am frustrated with Jack's performance in there but I agree with you, it was quite clear that he was quite upset that he blew that first question and while it did seem like a no-brainer that Dana would describe herself in that way, it could be that in Jack's mind, Ali is also quite driven (look at the way she studies for all the comps) and that Dana fit better under the title of irrational or crazy.. Ali was trying to sic Justin on targetting Jack instead of Nate last night.. but I think most of them want Nate out this week (given that Justin is HOH) |
Chy | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:38 am     I don't believe Jack threw the HOH. As someone pointed out in the spoiler thread, he was so nervous and out of it, he practically fumble off the platform w/o even follow through the instruction(about covering the face of his cube w/ a blue board, so it won't look confusing to viewer or the cbs person counting points). Perhaps he didn't hear the question well either. Don't get me wrong, I want Jack to do well, I like having him there. I've read about all his experience under pressure so on. But I bet he hasn't overcome stage fright/performer's gitter yet. I know that feeling, I had to give up a career on account of that. Now I just teach and cantor in church. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 08:55 am     Jun was crying about BOB.. she started tearing up when Julie asked the question about who they were missing. BOB and having finally made it through the week of being on the block and campaigning. |
Justareader | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 09:02 am     Mademoiselle - I am a fan of Jack's - I just don't think his gamemanship is as good as others but I am really, really pulling for him!!! Please, Please come out of the shadows more often!!! Go Jack!!! thanks for your perspective. |
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