The Alliance Game--What A Tangled Web
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The Alliance Game--What A Tangled Web
Almatad | Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 01:48 pm     This was taken from tvrules.net and was written by Pammi. Quite funny and a very intresting review of the alliances:. We've watched alliances crumble and change up all over the place. There is always a new angle and a new plan. The plotting and scheming in the house continues every waking moment in the house, literally 24/7 unless they are sleeping and even then, the alliance groups are in the same room, so it helps make some of them very clear. Please note that this article will contain Spoilers. Last week, and post nominees and eviction, we saw Dana put up Alison (no shock) and Jack (as the pawn) I called the two she would most likely put up as Alison and Nate and at the end of the week, it was her big mistake not to do that. Nate won the POV and shock shock..not, he removed Alison and Dana put up Dave. Dave went home after the group of her bandits decided he not only could not be trusted, but could win challenges and was the bigger threat. This week picks up after the vote and before Alison nominates her two on the block, that will happen later today. Let's see how the alliances held up after Dave's eviction. Here they are and some of the alliance highlights *Originals 8*Alison, Nate, Dana, Scott, Erika, Jack, Dave, Jun The plan for this group from the beginning was to remove the exes. This group is now defunct after the line that Dana drew and putting two of them up (Alison/Jack), then the third (Dave). Alliance is OVER. Dave went home and they have no alliance any longer. *Group A of the 8*Non Turtle Room*Nate, Jun, Alison and Dana This alliance is also gone, gone, gone. While they voted to remove Michelle, Dana put up Alison and Nate saved her. Alison and Dana have established that they hate each other..Not good for any alliance, so Alliance kaput. *The Blonde Hotties*Nate/Alison Nate and Alison have a plan and it is to stick together. Nate has saved Alison and she has stood by him. She may toss him later, but for now....all things indicated that they will last a lot longer. (They did vote opposite in the Dave/Jack vote, but it was a done deal that Dave was gone) *The Non Blonde Chicks*Dana and Jun Jun and Dana are tight as a pulled rubber band. Jun is the calm for Dana and does set her up and off when needed. I don't think the alliance is as strong for Jun as it is for Dana. Dana see Jun as her flunky. Do I think this alliance will last? It will be around until the day that they don't see the need for each other any longer. (Jun voted to remove Dave as Dana wanted as the HOH) *Group B of the 8*Turtle Room*Scott/Jack/Erika/Dave (Scott gone, down to just Jack/Erika/Dave) With both the guys on the block after the POV, it wasn't a good thing for the alliance. The alliance continues with the pair remaining (Erika and Jack). They are watching the others in the house go after each other hard, and that will keep them safe this week. Alliance looks good for at least a couple more weeks and it may last a little longer since they proved last night they were able to come close to a HOH win. *Dad and Son*Jack/Nate While there hasn't been a ton of plotting, Nate and Jack remain very close. They will be around for a while longer with Alison's HOH win, they are both safe. (Nate voted to save Jack, remove Dave) *Sports, sports*Justin/Alison What started out as I'll watch your back...turned into a total dislike when the two girls trying to keep Justin's eye became green with jealousy. Justin chose Dana, had words with Alison and that helped this Alliance go Kaput. *Huey,Dewey and Louie* Jee/Robert/Justin. What a great thing when the person that has the hots for one of your members win HOH. What a bad feeling when it's lost. (Alison won HOH) They are in cahoots again, last night deciding that if two of them went on the block (by Alison) that they would play hard for the POV and hope that with removing one of the nominees, Dana would be put up. (So much for a tight relationship with her) Alliance will stick together tight. Problem will come in the nominations later today...See why I think one of these boys will be going at the end of this article. *Blabbermouth Alliance*Dana/Justin/Robert/Jee When Dana won the HOH, thinks looked good for the boys in this group. They lasted, but after last night (see Hewey/Dewey/Louie Allliance above) Dana again is now in trouble. There was an addition to this group when Jun was added after Dana's HOH win. Alliance now: Dana/Justin/Robert/Jee/Jun. This alliance will crash in itself when the nominees and deal making starts. Not sure who will remain. Time will tell... *Dana, Dana Go Away Alliance* Jee/Justin/Robert/Jack/Nate/Alison/Erika/Michelle(Gone) Non members or iffy members: Jun/Dave Well, this alliance is put on hold for sure, since Dana won the HOH. She is not going on the block and their plan will have to wait one more week to see what happens with her not being allowed to compete in the next HOH. The plan was to put up Dana if Dave used the POV and vote her out. He didn't so the plan was put on hold. -Well after last night, seems there is a continuation of this plan. Dave is gone now, Alison has HOH and things might get interesting, interesting... *Ditch Nate Club* Robert/Jee/Justin/Alison What started out as Alison trying to play all sides, this alliance self destructed after problems with Justin/Alison and problems with Robert/Alison and the realization that Alison had Nate's back. Alliance Kaput. *Never In A Million Years Alliance*Jee/Jun These two sorta morphed into the larger alliance last week. They will stay together for a few more weeks and will not break up for a while. Jee is not a threat to the others so he's under the radar and Jun cooks. Things are still looking good here (Voted alike) *You Have to Like Turtles, Newbie* Jack/Dave/Jee What started out as a plan to get Jee to maybe convert, ended when Dave went home. There has been talk of converting him again or maybe Robert...time will tell. Dave is gone...only Jack remains but talk to Erika about the plan. *Keep the Girls Alliance* Jun/Dana/Erika/Alison This alliance is like when good things go bad, horribly bad. Dana hates Alison; Alison hates Dana; Jun hates Alison and it all starts over again. Dana broke this alliance by putting up Alison...another alliance Kaput. New Alliance this week.. *The Nerve of Her to DO that Alliance* members: Nate/Alison/Jack/Erika and Dave (who is gone) They were not thrilled with the nominees that Dana made. They vow to remove her, alliance is in great shape with Alison's HOH win. This alliance should stick together until Dana is removed. Alliances are:--Bold Indicates they remain-- *Originals 8*Alison, Nate, Dana, Scott, Erika, Jack, Dave, Jun-big kaput, Dave put up, Dana did it. Alliance over. *Group A-Non Turtle Room*Nate, Jun, Alison and Dana -Dana HOH; Alison put up..kaput *The Blonde Hotties*Nate/Alison-Alliance stands *The Non Blonde Chicks*Dana and Jun -Alliance stands *Group B-Turtle Room*Scott (GONE)/Jack/Erika/Dave (GONE) Alliance stands with only Jack/Erika remaining in the house *Dad and Son*Jack/Nate-Since Alison won HOH, this pair will remain for at least one more week *Sports, sports*Justin/Alison -Big Kaput *Huey,Dewey and Louie* Jee/Robert/Justin-after last weeks HIGH, they are in a LOW, one of them more than likely will go, but they are still allied. *Ditch Nate Club* Robert/Jee/Justin/Alison -another big kaput. *Dana, Dana Go Away* Jee/Justin/Robert/Jack/Nate/Alison/Erika/Dave?/Michelle (gone) on hold due to Dana's HOH. If the boys (Jee/Robert/Justin) go on the block without Dana, she is going up by them hoping to win POV and egging her nomination to Alison. Alison is HOH and would be happy to see Dana gone..time will tell. *Never In A Million Years* Jee/Jun -Still allied *Like Turtles, Newbie?* Jack/Dave/Jee-on temporary hold. Dave out Erika in. Jack and Erika are discussing who would be better to add...Jee or Robert. *Keep the Girls Alliance*Alison/Dana/Jun/Erika-Another big kerplunk. With Dana/Alison and their dislike for one another...this is gone gone gone. *The Nerve of Her to DO that Alliance*-Nate/Alison/Jack/Erika and Dave This one looks good, alliance continues..Alison has HOH. *Blabbermouth-Dana/Robert/Jee/Justin/Jun-this group won't be together much longer with Alison as HOH. Alliances, past and gone, but not forgotten: Alliances Kaput: Post Michelle Eviction *Quiet and loud* Amanda and Scott (over after eviction one) *Exes*Michelle/Amanda/Jee/Robert/Justin -(over after eviction two) *Love Hate*Dave and Michelle-(over after eviction two) Post Dana HOH; Dave Eviction Alliances Kaput: *Originals 8*Alison, Nate, Dana, Scott, Erika, Jack, Dave, Jun-big kaput, Dave put up, Dana did it. Alliance over. *Group A-Non Turtle Room*Nate, Jun, Alison and Dana -Dana HOH; Alison put up..kaput *Sports, sports*Justin/Alison -Big Kaput *Ditch Nate Club* Robert/Jee/Justin/Alison -another big kaput. *Keep the Girls Alliance*Alison/Dana/Jun/Erika-Another big kerplunk. With Dana/Alison and their dislike for one another...this is gone gone gone. Who is in what? -underline means the alliance is still in existance- Evicted: Scott: Original; Quiet/Loud -he is gone-booted Amanda: Exes; Quiet/Loud-she is gone-eviction one Michelle: Exes; Love/Hate-she is gone-eviction two Dave: Original; Group B-Turtle Room; Love/Hate(gone); Like Turtles, Newbie?; The Nerve of Her to DO that Alliance Still in house: Erika: Original; Group B-Turtle Room; Keep the Girls; Dana, Dana, Go Away; The Nerve of Her to DO that Alliance Jack: Original; Group B-Turtle Room; Dad/Son; Dana, Dana Go Away; Like Turtles Newbie?; The Nerve of Her to DO that Alliance Nate: Original; Group A-Non Turtle Room; Blonde Hottie; Dad/Son; Dana, Dana Go Away; The Nerve of Her to DO that Alliance Jun: Original; Group A-Non Turtle Room; Non Blonde Chicks; Never In A Million Years; Keep the Girls; Blabbermouth Robert: Exes; Huey, Dewey, Louie; Blabbermouth; Ditch Nate; Dana, Dana Go Away Jee: Exes; Huey, Dewey, Louie; Blabbermouth; Ditch Nate; Dana, Dana Go Away; Like Turtles, Newbie? Justin: Exes; Huey, Dewey, Louie; Blabbermouth; Ditch Nate; Dana, Dana Go Away; Sports, Sports Alison: Original; Group A; Blonde Hotties; Sports, Sports; Ditch Nate; Dana, Dana Go Away; Keep the Girls; The Nerve of Her to DO that Alliance Dana: Original; Group A; Non Blonde Chicks; Blabbermouth; Keep the Girls Well, so much changed this week. Dana and her nominees really shook up the house and the alliance game. So many were lost this week (alliances). After Dave's eviction and Alison's HOH win, things are looking up for the house not being calm, yet again. What will Alison do later today? She won't put up a pawn, that is a done deal. They know pawn things do not work out. Well she has some options. She would nominate Dana/Jun but that will probably not happen. Alison realizes that the thing do do is put up a couple (which is where Dana went wrong last week not nominating Nate..only Alison and then Alison was saved by Nate after POV) That and they need a cook and Dana/Jun have taken those roles. What is most likely? Dana/Justin This alliance really can kill two birds with one stone so to say... Justin is in an alliance with the guys (Jee/Robert) if he is evicted, it helps with numbers. Dana is going up no matter what. Alison has an intense dislike for her and she knows that Dana is after her. If one of them is removed by POV, the other goes, simple as that. Nominations are later today and the split in the house will only grow. One perk is they will be mixed up for the food competition (not in alliances, but mixed up) Time will tell what happens, Check back next time for The Alliance Game |
Jazzzy | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 03:34 am     Now thats good reading !! I'm gonna read it again, right after i drink a pot of coffee, I need that caffine to keep up with this. |
Bracken | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 06:25 am     Great find Almatad. Jazzzy, I think it might be Pammi who needs the coffee in order to keep up with the ever-changing alliances, sub and sub-sub alliances. Tactically, this year is has been the most crazy. Thanks again. Almatad. |
Tdot | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:22 am     I think it's interesting because after last night's events there seems to have been a revival of the *Sports, Sports* alliance and the *Ditch Nate Club*. Moreover, it looks as though *The Blonde Hotties*, *The Non Blonde Chicks*, and *The Nerve of Her to DO that Alliance* may be developping some cracks... And it goes without saying that the *Jee3* alliance is stronger than ever. ***Go Jee3! |
Spunky | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 06:00 pm     Oh my god, my head is spinning... all I really understood is: Kaput. Anyway, I admire the original poster for such an in-depth analysis of the so called 'alliances' which everyone in the house is aware of. The alliances are pointless when they are not kept secret (see the other thread about...cards..). But it's interesting to see from the original post how things have evolved in the house and this thread needs to be updated. For sure another 'kaput' for the 'non blonde chicks' as Dana is gone and Jun will be next. Keep it up... |
Spunky | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 07:13 pm     Well, this one needs an update... apparently someone on this board said that Erika and Robert do have an alliance.... let's see what happens to this one.. |
Jpgramma | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:44 am     my headache is back. I just read (from a Jokers 8/05-12:32AM livefeed post), that Jee and June had a little tete a tete about their alliance. June told Jee that she knew that he honored his alliance with the Jee3 more than he honored the alliance that the two of them shared. (That's an important tidbit to file away all by itself) Then she went on to tell him that she assumed it would be Jee and her(Jun) 'when the numbers were there". Jee asked her what she meant by that. He said "What do you mean the numbers? The Final Four?" now here's the part that has given me my headache. June answered "Five". Jee said OK and walked away. and I'm left thinking, huh?? five?? Could this mean Ally is in solidly an apendage to the Jee3 at this point and that June knows about it????? Can anyone with the livefeeds that saw/heard this exchange verify this? |
Tdot | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 08:20 am     Good question, JP. I've been wondering for a while now about the inevitable Ali switch. But would Jun know about it? Did Jee tell her? Does she mean someone else? She couldn't mean Erika, could she? There are rumours that Erika and Robert might be getting back together for a bit of a reunion to keep themsleves alive and in the game. I would say it's more likely she meant Ali since Alison's the one who has seemed more loyal to the Jee3 than anyone lately. Furthermore, if I were Jun, I would have a backup plan, I don't know how safe she is... Ali seems to be in a better position than her right now. |
Maris | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 08:45 am     Robert is very chummy with Nathan. He has been talking to Nathan a lot and he was filling Nathan in on the whole blow up yesterday with Dana. I have said all along that Robert is the bridge between the originals and the exes. He may bring Nathan in. The exes dont like women in the group. Their view is that women are too emotional, and cant be trusted. We saw that conversation again last night between Robert, Jee and Justin. I would look for them to bring one of the men from the originals in and cut the strings with Jun. Robert is playing behind the scenes a lot. He and Jun together worked this whole Dana campaign thing and has been determined to dump Dana since Nathan had the HOH. Robert can make suggestions to Justin and Jee and he brings them in. |
Jpgramma | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 08:46 am     If June does know about Allys deal with the Jee3 Tdot, I guess it's safe to assume she knows it from Jee. I too have heard ever so slight rumblings about a possible alliance between Erika and Robt but I've seen no hard evidence of it and rather doubt it's true. I believe that Erika is solidly with Jack. Erika and Jack have been talking about alliance moves they may make once Justin is out of there. They're none to happy with or trusting of Ally (thank goodness!)... but I did see last night that in a talk between Nate, Erika and Jack, where the subject of Ally's trustworthiness was being discussed, Nate told both Jack & Erika that they could count on him for NOT making any deals with the other side at all. And ya know what? I believed his sincerity and thing that Jack & erika may have as well. Provided that Jacj, Erika or nate win this next HOH, Justin will be gone and then I wouldn't be at all surprised if Nate, Jack & Erika didn't decide to cut Ally lose in favor of a player(s) that were less emotional in their game. Might that be Robert?? They've talked about courting both Jee and June for their side's purposes, but they're well aware of the June/Jee alliance and know how sneaky and untrustworthy June is. It will be good TV watching how it unfolds. Of course, if one of the Jee3 wins the next HOH then the game is all but over for the sandbox alliance. I'm very anxious to see who wins this next HOH. As they've all been saying, it's a crucial one. |
Spunky | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:05 am     It was funny to read that Erika would evict Justin if both Robert and Justin were up... (this could be interpreted both ways, her alliance with Jack and her alliance with Robert). Jun should know better than to trust Ali's loyalty to Justin's group... She may have said 5 to Jee but could she have referred to the votes for Dana... Mmmm |
Puzzled | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:20 am     I think it's fascinating that J3 is one of the tightest trios ever seen on BB, yet week after week, no one puts up two of them. If two of them make it to the final, they can thank Dana and Alison. |
Jpgramma | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:56 am     true enough puzzled, but they can also thank themselves. While I'm firmly in the camp that wants to see Jack, Erika (and now nate) make it to the F3, I have to admire the loyalty and strength of the Gee3. Of course, if they don't win this next HOH, everything is subject to change. |
Tdot | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:23 am     I don't think it's a given that if either Nate, Jack or Eirka do win HOH and do put Justin up against someone (specifically another memeber of Jee3) that Justin would go. Ali would be the swing vote, no? |
Jpgramma | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:33 am     hmmmmm.. do you think she'd REALLY be that obvious?? Let's see, with Justin and Robt up (assuming no POV changes), June seems to already have a relationship of sorts with Robt, so she'd probably vote out Justin. The 2 sandbox members that weren't HOH would vote out Justin. that's 3. That leaves just Ally and Jee. Jee would probably listen to June. That's 4. Nah.. Ally would go with the numbers, She wouldn't dare expose herself that much. Add to that the fact that Robt would be looking to make deals to save himself and Justin seems to be as resigned as Nate that if he's put up he'll be out. |
Tdot | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:53 am     Unless Jun and Jee would rather have Justin around. Or Jun and Rob would rahther have him stay. The longer he's there, the longer he takes the heat off of them. That gives two for Justin and two against him with and Ali left in the middle. Furthermore, don't forget people aren't that bright when they nominate. I wouldn't be surprised if they put up Jun against Justin. |
Jpgramma | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:17 am     "Or Jun and Rob would rahther have him stay.".. Even if Robt did prefer to go himself, he wouldn't have a vote as the other nomineee. but of course you're right, it could be that June and Jee would opt to keep Justin around since he's better at challenges. I'm just guessing that there's a tighter bond with Robert (June's partner in crime re the dana stir-up yesterday) since both Robt and Jee have been concerned about Justin's frame of mind with Dana in the house. Also, June was pretty pi$$ed awf yesterday that Justin shared with Dana the fact that June was upset with Dan's campagning. June made it clear that she thought it should have been her decision, not Justin's to have shared that info with Dana. Could go any of many different ways, but bottom line is one of them would be gone, and even if Ally and June were openly and firmly entrenched in the Jee3 camp, they would still have a weak 4-3 majority after the boot, with Nate still able to win the physical challenges and Erika and jack at the ready for mental challenges. My guess is that Ally and June would prefer to keep their options open than to blatently out themselves so early. |
Maris | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:23 am     I think if the originals get HOH next that they may go after Robert. Erika wants him out very badly and as the numbers go down she realizes there is apossibility that either she or Jack will go. Erika does not want Robert in the house after her. I can see her getting Jack to convince Nathan to put up Robert/Justin. Ali votes out Robert Erika votes out Robert Jun votes out Justin Jack will vote Robert Jee votes out Justin If Erika gets HOH she will nominate Robert/Justin. Jack nominates Robert/Justin. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:30 am     I heard Jack and Erika talk about people going in this order.. Dana, Justin, Nate, Ali.. so I think they feel that they are using Nate and Ali. Nate and Ali were speculating within the last hour about Jack and Erika's bond to them and Nate said he thought they'd stick for now because Nate and Ali are more likely to be targetted so Jack and Erika could still slide along. I love that nate and erika keep calling Jun a snake but erika slides along even more silently, waiting to strike without being seen.... |
Spunky | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:33 am     But Erika said between Robert and Justin she would vote for Justin out.. (she was telling this to Jack). |
Maris | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:49 am     Lets see what Erika really says when it comes to crunch. I just dont believe she is willing to risk Robert being in the house longer than she is. |
Jpgramma | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 12:32 pm     ah.. we hear more about the deal Aly has with the stooges. Just read in the livefeeds, in a conv between Robert and Justin that the deal they have with Ally is that she doesn't go intil after Nate, Jack and Erika. They're discussing whether or not they should clue June into this deal. sigh.. I SO want to see Ally go sooner rtaher than later. I hope Jack, Erika and Nate figure out to what extent that girl can't be trusted soon. I actually feel quite badly for Nate. |
Spunky | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 12:36 pm     oh gramma, Nate is fully aware of Ali's switch, although she kept telling him it was for their own good... Nate is looking after himself as well...gets friendly with Jee.. |
Jpgramma | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:07 pm     I'm sure he is Spunky, but I still feel kind of bad for him. I think he really wants to believe the bunk Aly dishes out to him and, unlike her, I think he really does intend to stick by Erika and Jack until it's no longer feasible. Not sure about this, but I think Ally told him her deal was just for the next HOH and she did it so they wouldn't be up against each other and she could win the POV and save him. Nate thinks she's so smart, I think he's wants to believe she's solidly in his court. On another note, I just read in the feeds that June thinks she's the only girl in the J3 alliance. Earlier Justin and Robt were talking about whether or not to fill June in about their deal with Ally. Justin sais he already kinda had, but I'm not so sure about that. If and when they DO tell June the extent of Ally's deal with them, I can just see June running to Nate, Erika and Jack with the full story. Hope so anyway! |
Cliotheleo | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:16 pm     Can somebody clue me in as to how we KNOW Ali switched and isn't just BS-ing Jee3? I was watching the feeds at the time and she went back and told Nate/Jack/Erika everything Jee3 had told her and how she'd supposedly made a deal with them. I'm confused! |
Kaili | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:20 pm     I'm confused too. She's the double agent- not Dana! I can't keep up with her and I have no idea who is playing who anymore. |
Minnyace01 | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:22 pm     This girl has middled the field and has yet to play her cards. The Jee3 are content to let her ride along until after all others go and I still think that Nate believes that they will stick together to the end. It is my guess that she will play the middle until she is forced to go in one direction. I really think that she would like to end up late in the game with Nate, but she will not commit to it until he does. |
Jazzzy | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:12 am     But Erika said between Robert and Justin she would vote for Justin out.. (she was telling this to Jack). SHE SAID THIS after Jack told her, HE wanted to get rid of Justin, first. So she was agreeing to his plan. (I watch that on the LF) As for the Ali-Jee3 alliance, it was in the LF Aug 6, 1:53am a Starr post: First time poster so bear with me..Just a lil important tid bit I thought should be reported since noone has posted in awhile.... After studing for sometime with Jack,Erika and Nate for the HOH comp.tomorrow.. Ali just stepped outside and told Jee and Robert that somehow Nate knows that she has some kind of deal with Jee Robert and Justin.First she suggest that maybe somehow that Justin may have let it out..but Jee and Robert dont think so..they think Nate is just parinoid or that Dana may have said something to make him think that..She also told them that Jack and Nate have an alliance and have had one for a long time and also Jack has Erika on his side.. She told them not to stay up to long that she needs their brains tomorrow that they have to win HOH.. (This may not be word for word but best as I can remember its 4:48am here on east coast I should be in bed..lol) |
Spunky | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:19 am     Yes Jazzy... even before the POV the 3 went to Ali telling her that she'll be spared next week if as soon as Dana left the house she'd go to their group. I believe she did let Jack and Erika know what the 3 stooges suggested but told them she'll never betray them.. or something like that. Nate was not present at that time. However Nate told her he knew... (how, I still don't know). I'm glad she told the stooges Nate knows, as if they could keep that a secret. What a laugh! |
Jpgramma | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 11:43 am     Spunky, I read what you did, which is why I'm puzzled. What we heard was Ally making a deal with the Jee3 for just this coming week. She doesn't put any of them up, and they promise not to put her up if they win this next HOH. She agreed that the deal was for herself only, not Nate. (at which time she took the the opportunity to dis Nate royally.) WE also found out at that time that Aly had a deal with Justin since the first week that they wouldn't put each other up. When Justin told this to Dana, she already knew. As she explained to June later, Ally told 'them' (assuming Dana and June) about her first week deal with Justin a while back when they were all still chummy. Now throw into this mix that yesterday the Jee 3 were talking about this deal with Ally lasting until Nate, Erika and Jack were evicted. They were discussing this while deciding whether or not they should let June know about this arrangment. At that time, Justin told his boys that it wasn't necessary, that he already kinda did. sigh.. then there's the exchange between Jee and June yesterday, where Jee reminds her that his allegiance to Jee3 is stronger than the one he has with June. June acknowledges that she was aware of that . see my post above from 7:42am yesterday : "Then she went on to tell him that she assumed it would be Jee and her(Jun) 'when the numbers were there". Jee asked her what she meant by that. He said "What do you mean the numbers? The Final Four?" now here's the part that has given me my headache. June answered "Five". Jee said OK and walked away. " FIVE..not four, five. June obviously knew Dana wasn't part of the F4, so one has to wonder why June sees herself ad final 5 with Gee instead of F4. Now, late last night we have Ally talking with Jee3 again, telling them Nate knows about her deal with them, asking how he knows, and telling them that Jack is key in that he has deals with both Nate and Erika. If the final 5 ends up being Jee 3, Ally and June and then June goes, I'm gonna be more than a little sceptical about just how spontaneous and 'real' this reality show is. There's a lot we're not hearing methinks. |
Spunky | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 09:22 am     oh boy gramma!! According to your post the web just got more tangled... Thank you for this ample explanation. However, it's now obvious that there is no more room for manoevering... the game is set. Unless Nate wins POV it will be so easy to predict who goes. With Nate gone, we'll only have one alliance and that's the 3 amigos. The others will be just feeding from the 3's hands.. So, when it gets this predictable the fun is over for me. |
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