Archive through August 31, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Jun just said she will nominate Robt & Alli so veto can be used:
Archive through August 31, 2003
Gvandeli | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:26 pm     I respectfully disagree. There is no way that Erika would believe that if Jun evicted Erika that Alison wasn't aware of that possibility. She would be burning bridges with Erika...and therefore Jack and Nathan. There is no way that Dana or Justin or Jee will vote for her...that's why I said there is no way for Alison to win..unless people acknowledge that she played a good game, and leave their personal feelings for her behind. Jun has the most to lose by dumping Erika at this point. |
Lauram | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:27 pm     why would Erika agree to that?? |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:28 pm     Jun CAN beat Robert in the final 2. She could have Dana's vote, if Dana still wants her to win. That's the biggest problem, since I'm sure Justin will be telling Dana all the things Jun has said about her, including the fact that Jun told them that she was never really Dana's friend and wants nothing to do with her. I'm SURE that Justin & Jee won't tell her the things that Robert has said, though Jack might. I'm pretty sure that Jun will get Ali, Erika & Jack's votes over Robert, so it's just a matter of getting Nathan or Dana's vote. If Jun already has Nathan's vote, which Jack might get for her, then Jun has it no matter what Dana does. The hardest thing for the women is that if they don't have Jee or Robert in the finals, chances are the Stooges & Dana control the final vote, since they'll probably vote as a block. Jun is worried that that vote will go against her, since she openly went against the stooges and never tried to get back in with them as Ali has done. Depending upon how Robert ends up in the finals, I think Ali could beat him. He would need either Jack, Erika, Jun or Nathan to vote for him and none of them like him. In addition, he's hindered by the fact that he has not appeared to do anything to get to that point. If he somehow sucks it up and wins the final HOH, he may get Nathan's vote, since Nathan would be inclined to vote against Ali anyway, but if she wins and takes him along, he could lose. |
Seanflynn2003 | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:29 pm     No way is it delusion to think that Jun can't beat Rovert in the finals. Apart from a generic who knows what will happen yet, which none of us can answer, let's review the jury if it is Robert/Jun. Jack -- likely Jun unless she has lied to Erika Erika -- likely Jun unless she lies to her Allison -- ditto That's 3 out of 7 Dana -- who knows, I think more likely Jun Nathan -- who knows, will hold his nose, but not close to Robert Justin -- more likely Robert, but his friendship was an in-house thing, nothing more than that Jee -- either way; to vote for a stranger against a member of his own community with mutual friends is an awful hard thing to do; on the other hand he may think of how Carmen will react Bottom line -- 7-0 for Jun is as plausible as 7-0 against; we just don't know. I think Jun figures if it is against Robert, her play in the next 3 weeks will clinch it. I am not sure she is wrong. |
Seanflynn2003 | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:29 pm     (sorry for reposting - thought the first one had not gone through) |
Gvandeli | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:34 pm     Your point about "unless she has lied to Erika" is exactly what I'm talking about. There was an agreement among the 3 girls that they would get the 2 boys out next. That is everyone's understanding...if Jun goes back on her word...that could be bad for her. Dana and J3 will vote for Robert...doesn't matter what Nate, Jack or Erika do. She has lost. Jee has always made it very clear that his first loyalty lies with J3. Jun can't beat Robert. |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:38 pm     The worst part for all of them is that there is no way that any of them can win against Erika at this point, though they might not be aware of that. That could be the ONLY reason that they take Erika out this week (which I don't think will happen because Jun is not one to do something like that suddenly and without a lot of support.) The DO need to get Erika out next week, but I think they won't have the guts to do so. The ONLY way I see a flip happening this week is if they decide to do the Veto ceremony live. In that case, Jun would only have to nominate and evict Erika really fast and wouldn't have to deal with the results. In theory, Erika has said she will respect game play, so she SHOULD respect a move like that, but I doubt it... |
Gvandeli | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:39 pm     I actually think the closest F2, in terms of votes, would be Erika and Jun. That would be an exciting finish, I think. |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:40 pm     Gvandeli, with Robert in the Final 2, there's only Dana, Jee & Justin to vote together so they don't control the votes. |
Fan3 | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:40 pm     I still think she will put up Erica when Ali uses veto her alliance with Jee is too strong. otherwise why not put up Ali & Jee at the first? Remember the cono in HOH room last week between her and Jee where she told him she would get hoh (at this point she knew the girls were going to let her have it) and get Rob out but he would have to have her back? |
Gvandeli | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:41 pm     I realized I miscounted...however, I do think Nate would vote with them against Jun. Especially if Erika let him know what she had done. So...same results. |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:43 pm     I think Erika/Jun final 2 is a 7-0 or 6-1 win for Erika.. Erika easily gets Nathan, Jack, Justin, Jee, Robert, & Ali mainly because Justin will be influencing the Stooges vote and he respects the way that Erika has played and that means the other guys will as well. Ali will vote with the majority, as she's always done. Dana is the only one who might vote for Jun and that's only if she still truly believes she and Jun are tight. |
Seanflynn2003 | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:48 pm     I agree with Gvandeli to the extent, and only the extent, that I can see Jun vs. Robert as a final happening only if Jun somehow crosses Erika or Jun, unless Robert wins the next 2 HoHs and takes Jun to the finals. My argument is totally that if the game plays itself out without Jun doublecrossing Robert, she has 3 likely votes (Jack, Erika, Allison), then needs to pick off one of the remaining 4. And again I strongly challenge anyone to say that Jee is a certain vote for Robert in that scenario. They have way too many common ties to say that, far more than he has with Robert. Not to stereotype, but in a recent emigrant community, in the same city, with likely common friends, for Jee to go down as someone who cost his ex-girlfriend $450,000 is not an easy choice. I am NOT saying he would vote for Jun, I am saying it is naive and premature to say he is certain the other way. And Nathan, Dana are toss ups; Justin is likely Robert. It could go either way. Jun's best hope is frankly to surive next week, have Erika voted off, then win HoH the following, and select Allison to be with her. In the meantime folks, who knows what twists may come up to throw things topsy turvy. |
Jpgramma | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:52 pm     Huh? Check out latest livefeed : by Morning_Magic, 12:42 Just before FOTH she heard Robt say, :If you want the money vote for Michelle." yikes..the return of an evicted HG??? |
Gvandeli | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:53 pm     I think they would be a lot safer in voting Erika off as the last eviction...that way, no pledges have been broken and Jun can still go to the F2 with Ali, whom she is sure to beat. |
Jpgramma | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:56 pm     byw, re my post above, Robt was saying that to Gee. if indeed they have to or choose to bring back one of the evicted HGs, that would change up all the voting strategies. Erika might choose Dave or Jack. Ali might choose Nate. Who would June choose? editing to add With jury votes so on their minds right now, I can see why Jeebert would want Michelle. If they were the only two to vote for the same person, they might get their wish. Ugh..what a waste of time it would be to bring Michelle back. I hope that comment meant nothing..but makes you wonder! |
Kmjm | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:58 pm     Noms are over. Can't be sure, but looks like Jee and Ali. |
Pengoh | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:59 pm     THey can't bring back one of the first four because they've had outside contact (Scott, Amanda, Michelle, Dave) |
Lauram | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:59 pm     Jee said good move putting Ali up. But we don't know the counterpart. Jee or Robert?? |
Pengoh | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 01:00 pm     Everyone keeps asking if Jee is 'okay' so i guess it's him |
Lauram | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 01:03 pm     Maybe this will take him down a knotch or two. |
Polypody | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 01:12 pm     Just heard Jee say to Robert that it was a good move on their part. Ali will use the veto on herself and put you (Robert) up! |
Jigglywigglyjun | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 01:13 pm     Robert just said he thinks Ali didn't know she was going up....LOL he is clueless... |
Snogrl | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 01:14 pm     Robert is so easily manipulated. He is saying Ali must not have known she was being put up because her face was so surprised. Next week is gonna be fun watching with the girls with him. Just desserts. |
Jan | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 01:16 pm     actually having the veto before nom's is the same thing as having no veto at all.In this "veto first" scenario, it is only common sense to nom the one with the veto so they will use the veto on themselves and you can nom whom you wanted in the first place. The only way it would make any difference at all in this "veto first' scenario is if one of the originally planned nominees were to win the veto. so this week, it will play as though there is no veto at all. |
|