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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Jun - Victim of Our Cultural Brainwashing?: Archive through August 23, 2003

Azriel

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 12:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sick of all the negative comments about Jun's figure and weight.I've seen people call her jiggly wiggly. I've even seen people say she looks gross.

I've been sitting on my balcony looking at all the women in their bikinis down at the pool. Yes, beside the naturally tiny Japanese women most of the women look bigger and curvier, but they still look healthy and attractive to me.
If I turned on the pool cam, I guess that these women would be ridiculed as much as Jun. That's so freaking sad to me :(

I hate what our culture has done to our perceptions. I think the media has brainwashed the vast majority of people into believing that a woman has to be as thin as Twiggy with 36 D rock hard boobs (in most cases artificial implants) to be beautiful.

I think Jun has a beautiful body and the negative comments about her figure are ridiculous.
Who else agrees with me?

Whoami

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 12:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
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OK, I've had this gif around for a long time, and is my "hello! Me too" kind of gif (or just hello). After posting it, I realize....stick figure!

I guess this gif would be acceptable in today's society! It's only the last couple of years that I've felt like I can wear shorts in public and not be arrested by the fashion police.

Fuzzyb

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 12:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think its been mentioned before- no one would say these things about Jun if she didn't sit around insulting everyone else.
Jun thinks she is HOT and will say as much. I think the before and after shots of what she looked like when she walked in and what she looks like now speak for themselves- she is jiggly. And Jigglywiggly is a member here!
I don't think she's fat, I'm fat! I think she is average but she dresses like she shouldn't.

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 12:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I find Jun attractive physically. But for me true attraction/beauty has mostly to do with the person. I have no problem at all with a woman who has round full hips and buns--big legs, or anything build like that. To me that is attractive.

Personally I don't see the need to put Jun down at all for her looks. Gerry got the same treatment last year by the board--he was over weight by hiw own admission, and a number of people tied his looks into his game playing ability. That doesn't make sense to me either.

Hi Az!!!:)

Azriel

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 12:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fuzzyb, she is being considered overweight because she gained weight? Does gaining weight always make a person overweight?

To me she was thin when she entered the house and she looks bigger than when she entered the house now. She doesn't look fat, gross or any other negative to me. She just gained some weight. Big freaking deal.

Since you mention it...this is nothing against the poster Jigglywigglyjun and I seriously don't want to hurt her feelings, but I have always wondered why she was allowed to have that name in the first place.

Azriel

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi Lance :) I might agree with people that think that Jun isn't that beautiful on the inside, but that has nothing to do with the outside. The same could apply to Ali.

Snee

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i think jun looks just fine.

Crossfire

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm, yes, I've always thought she was kinda cute, but then what do I know, I still don't know what's wrong with Ali's nose. :)

Fuzzyb

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 01:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I said I didn't think she was fat. I think she is about average for 'skinny' what I mean is she is not movie star/model skinny but for society she is average skinny. Ali is even curvy like Jun and you can tell Ali is putting on weight too. Didn't they all weight like 120's when they came in the house? That is just nothing!
It is an observation that since the have been in the house Ali and Jun have put on weight. Unfortunately BB has not zeroed in on Ali.
Ali has never been shown to say 'Jun is fat, Erika has nasty bb's, Robert is gross' on and on. Jun gave a huge list of everyone's faults once in the beginning so its easier to make comments about her.

Spectacle

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 02:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think everyone in the house is obsessed with physical appearances nd it is testament to our society values declining. Unfortunately BB is promoting this disgusting harmful attitude, like was previously wriiten...they weighed 120lbs. when they came into the house...FACT..On Figi Island they never had any eating disorders until cable and American TV (Ali McBeal) came to the island, now anorexia and bullemia are becoming a huge health crisis there!!!

Imz

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 03:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing that bothers me most about Jun, and believe me there are many things, is she’s always eating. I didn’t notice until someone pointed it out. At first, it was funny; now I’m genuinely disturbed by it. I’ve honestly never seen someone eat so habitually. I’m sorry, that’s just my inherent response.

I’m a man and consider her a relatively attractive woman. I admire her for losing weight. It’s healthier and she seems to be proud of herself for the accomplishment. She just needs to be a little less acerbic, manipulative, vile, insufferable, wicked… I could go on and on.

Brotherman

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 03:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Guys, it's not alright to be overweight. Excessive weight gain can lead to hypertension, diabetes, and other health problems. I lost thirty pounds on the Atkins diet and feel a lot better.

Jun is an emotional eater and that will always be a problem for her. She needs to find healthier ways to deal with her stress.

I think she's attractive also, but still needs to deal with her problem, not ignore it.

Bearware

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 04:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
June does have extra pounds, I would not call her fat. She is not as fit as she could be, and these pounds are pudgy. I think she's probably just fine and could be even considered thin with clothing that actually fit her. That is the crux of this problem. She insists on wearing bikinis that show the fat rolls, mini-skirts that are too tight, and that mesh top that covers nothing. I understand the mesh is gone, Hooray! With the correct clothing, she could be killer - but we don't have the opportunity to see her in clothing that flatters. She should also give up the illusion that she is the hottest babe on earth, and perhaps be a bit more forgiving of other's faults if she wants people to forgive hers.

Philamom

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 04:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Jun is fat, by any definition of the word. I agree that she isn't as "firm" as the other women, and probably needs to tone up a bit.

I took her DR entries as very "tongue-in-cheek." I think she was making fun of herself when she said those things, saying she had the perfect body, etc.

And I think she's cute -- not beautiful, but certainly not ugly.

Smokey

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 05:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've read more on the boards about how Jun dresses--barely--than her weight and/or jiggliness. The bikini she wore for the luxury competition last night barely covered her and that is no exaggeration. Some people couldn't even tell that she had anything at all on. I think that fact countered with her bashing people who are overweight is what gets people riled up on here. (Her comments about Ali's mom's weight was one of the worst)

I've never participated in this and am sensitive to eating disorders as I live with someone who is bulimic and it can be a life threatening illness. I agree that our society pays far too much attention to physical appearances and it's very sad.

If Jun wasn't a person who was measuring others by their weight and body type she may not be as harshly judged on here.

Azriel

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 05:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bearware, you are backing up what I'm trying to get across. You believe that Jun is not attractive or healthy because her abdomen is not 'the ideal', as in completely flat, can't pinch an inch abs. It makes me cringe to think that you think it's so ugly that she needs to cover it up.

Jun is eating a lot. She's stuck in a house with lots of stress and boredom and plenty of free food. As others have pointed out, Ali has gained weight, too. Jun is still a normal weight so I'm not worried about her 'emotional' eating at all.

Azriel

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Brotherman, if Jun lost 30 lbs she would look emaciated. We are talking about 10 or 15 lbs here and those few pounds make the difference between her being healthy or unhealthy? thin or fat? pretty or so ugly she needs to cover up?

Smoky, I don't understand why people would feel the need to say things they thought were untrue about Jun because she happened to say some ugly things about other people. During BB1 people said that Brittany was fat and she never ragged on anyone. I don't think the problem is what Jun has said about other people, I think that people have actually been so brainwashed by our culture and media that they actually believe that Jun is fat and unhealthy. And again I say that is freaking sad.

Cricket

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Azriel, wasn't it Jun who called herself 'jiggly wiggly' once refering to her stomach? I think it was in the DR. She said she knew she didn't have a perfect shape as she tore the other women's shapes apart.

I think she has a nice figure, nicely shaped legs and there is a sex appeal about her. My only problem is that she wears inappropriate clothes for her size. The handkerchief bikini bottom she had on last night made her look bigger than she probably is. I thought she was naked at first when I saw the clips, lol.

I'm sure the Jigglywigglyjun on our board heard Jun say that too, and since she is pregnant with twins probably thought it a great name for her right now. I think it's clever and cute. Jun would probably laugh about it too.

Azriel

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cricket, I haven't got to see the show. I've only had the feeds and the board. I never heard Jun refer to herself as such so it appeared to be a not too funny nickname to me. As I said before my objection to it was nothing against the poster and I don't want to hurt her feelings. I've seen her posts and she seems to be a really nice person. This explains why the mods didn't stop a name that seemed to me to be a subtle slam against one of the guests. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Kady

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My hope is that Jun gets some clothes in the shopping spree today that will flatter her and show off her figure. I think she is very attractive. Some of the things she said about others turned me off at first but now she has kinda grown on me. :)

Azriel

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 06:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kady! ~gasp~ You want to cover her up, too! There is no hope! We are all brainwashed!

Kady

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't say cover her up....I said flatter her figure.

Some people just don't have the body to wear a bikini. ~~cough~~ Az, who won't wear shorts in the hot LA summer~~cough,cough~

Spwisc

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 07:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun has the most beautiful female face in the house, the funniest personality, and she lost 70#'s which is awesome! If she gained back 20#'s while being in the house, so what. The only thing is that she probably picked those bikinis out with a friend that wasn't telling her the truth. She really should wear higher waisted, high cut bikinis and she'd look even better.

I'm one that thinks twiggy-like with giant breasts is comically gross, barbie like fakeness.

Beruthiel

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 07:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We know that Jun's gained a fair amount of weight in the house, but she also has only the few clothes that she came in with, which probably fitted her quite well at the beginning, so it's hard for her to look good in clothes several sizes too small!
I'm pleased that BB brought in the shopping spree right now, and I hope she manages to get something more appropriate for her current size, which will help her be more comfortable for the rest of her stay.
I said a while back that she might look chubby in her bikinis, but in everyday clothes she'd look just fine, a nice rounded normal woman!

(Beru, too pale and wrinkly to want to wear shorts at anytime!)

Smokey

Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 07:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Azriel--Like I said before, I think I'm aware more than most about society and fat vs. thin having dealt with eating disorders in my own household. Believe me, I've battled for *years* with it, in and out of hospitals, etc. and it was a huge learning experience. It's very sad because many young people value physical appearance above anything else and that's from learning from the media, TV, magazines, etc. It's there and that seems to be where we are as a society right now, for whatever reasons. As a whole, we're a pretty superficial society.

My point is and was, that due to Jun's bashing others about size and weight, it came back and smacked her in the face. I didn't say it was right or wrong--just that it happened. She drew more attention to herself with her comments criticizing others, IMHO.

I half-way like Jun and it has nothing to do with size. I do not like how she dresses and it again, has nothing to do with her size. I wouldn't like it if my 17 year old (who's a size 4) wore a bikini like that and I'm no prude, quite the opposite. I didn't take Kady's post as meaning "cover up" at all--she just feels the way a lot of people feel and that's that Jun's choice of clothing is very revealing. Some like that--some do not. It does nothing to flatter her, that's for sure. A few watching the feeds last night thought she was exposing pubic hair rather than wearing a bikini bottom (isn't that where Sponge Bob lives?), it was that small.