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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: What is campaigining??: Archive through August 07, 2003

Maris

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One of the biggest criticisms HGs have about any nominee is that they "campaign". They have the nerve to try and stay in the game and ruin the plans.

Last week Dana was the villain for asking the J/E alliance to think about their votes and bear in mind that she is pretty good at competitions. Campaigner!!!! came the accusations, sent to coventry she was for breaking the cardinal rule. "Campaigning, Moi?" I would never do that is the indignant protest.

Today, Nate Hello J3 minus one can we talk? I just want you to think about something. I am not campaigning, mind you, just think about this. Evict Jack and keep me.

So my question is, what is wrong with campaigning? What is campaigning? What will Jack do when he finds out Nate is "NOT" campaigning against him?

Will Jack "campaign" or just give the J3 something to consider?

Spunky

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's his right to campaign, just as Dana had the right to campaign... She just couldn't tell Jun: Hey, I've got to do what I've got to do, go ahead and do the same. She was gutsy, but not that gutsy.

The mistake Nate is making is to campaign the wrong way... and too soon. He should wait the POV before promising of not using it. He's really desperate and it's pathetic... and the stooges are laughing but admitting the dude had to try...
This looks to me like a useless week. why not just go straight to live voting and spare us the bulls.hit of "campaigning".

Kaili

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The whole thing is silly- who in their right mind wouldn't try to stay in the game?!

I can see where campaigning for oneself can be seen as dirty playing when you are up against someone who is your close ally- but still- should anyone be expected to just sit there and cross their fingers and hope to stay? Obviously they all seem to think so, but the same people who yell "Campaigner!" like it's a dirty word do the exact same thing when it's their turn. It's a game to win money and they're fools if they don't try to stay in. they should be out for themselves.

Chy

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, he needs to plant ideas in their heads. If only one of them will all of a sudden agree with Ali & Jun to keep Nate and oust Jack, he'd still have a chance!

But Justin(Moe the leader) must have thought of it, too. I guess this campaingning wouldn't get Nate any where then. How do you think it will effect his Jury vote though? 'think he vote for Ali or Jus supposed those two were in the final?

Spunky

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack knows they're after Nate and so he will stay quiet or as he said...."stay out of their way..."

Spunky

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, knowing that it was Justin who wanted him out so badly, he will vote for Ali to win the prize even though she didn't do jack to save him...

Chy

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Didn't Erika campaign to stay?
Didn't Ali do everything in her might to save herself?

Maris

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The reason he is a lousy campaigner is that he let his ego get in the way AGAIN. He wouldnt even give Justin the courtest of a teensy bit of grovelling, nope not Nathan. He approaches Robert and Jee and asks them to talk to Justin. If I was Justin I would have said to Robert and Jee if he wants a deal he comes to me.

I think Nathan would vote for Justin in the final. Nathan just got burned by a girl, mind you Justin warned him about Alison. Two weeks ago Justin told Nathan she is the best liar in the world and dont believe one word she says. Nathan says to Justin, well you know he better than I do and, he went ahead and vetoed her.

Nathan what was your biggest mistake in the game? Using the veto on Alison.

Katlady53

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The whole "campaigning" or "not compaigning" concept in the BB house is a joke. Lol They act like campaigning is a dirty word or something when they *all* do it. Lol

Crazydog

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with campaigning. Of course the nominee should be able to try and convince people to keep him/her in the house.

The problem with Dana is that she was nominated alongside her supposed closest confidante Jun. And then she had told Jun she wouldn't campaign against her. Then whenever she was campaigning, she had to insert a disclaimer by saying things like "I'm not trying to campaign against Jun, but..." Jun was right. Campaigning is exactly what Dana was doing. Dana was trying to act like she was taking the high road to make herself feel better about stabbing her friend in the back. I loved Julie's question to Dana about "well then, what would you call it".

Chy

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nate sort of have to veto Ali.
At the time he wasn't that included by D+E+J.

Nate's biggest mistake is not to make HOH this week. Could have gotten rid of Justin or one of the Jee3.

I still can't figure out Nate's Jury vote. Justin might even void his vote. Maybe Ali would not want his vote counted either, then WE get a chance!

I won't know who to vote for either.....

Spunky

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But it was wrong of Jun to expect Dana not try to save her butt and Dana was not the gutys girl I thought she was.

Anyway, looks like Nate did go to Justin and repeated what he told the others 2.
I'm sorry, but Nate is either too dumb or too desperate. UNLESS, he will not keep his word...which it would be grrrrrrreat by my book!
Alas, I can't ask for the moon...

Chy

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, calling Dana out was Jun's passive way of campaigning.

No one was wrong. Every one had to do what they had to do.
Julie was great, but she's lucky Dana took the High raod last night. I've wondered if cbs did not have a mental-health expert guiding Julie through the interview with the self admitted ocd (via ear-piece).

Chy

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spunky said:
"...UNLESS, he will not keep his word...which it would be grrrrrrreat by my book! "
(sorry, punch the key by accident)

I thought so too, but Nate has to keep his word or he's lose at least 3 possibly 4-5 votes!

Crazydog

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spunky, I recognize that everyone has to do what they have to do to stay in the game. I just think it was wrong of Dana to tell Jun that she wasn't going to campaign and then did just that. I view it as a betrayal. And then trying to act all high and mighty, like she wasn't campaigning. Ridiculous.

If they had simply said from the beginning, even though we are nominated against each other, we both should do what we can to stay in the house. Nothing personal.

Spear

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The reason "campaigning" is such a bad word is because nominees are almost never up against someone from the "opposite team". It's usually someone in your alliance or a pawn. When you campaign, it looks like you're stabbing someone in the back.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with fighting to stay in the game. Therefore, the trick is to campaign without making it obvious, like Jun did to Dana (as Chy said), or like Roddy did to Josh. Try to claim the high ground and accuse the other person of campaigning first. :-)

After the game, though, be honest and admit to Julie that of course you were campaigning.

Spunky

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazy... that's what I would have expected from Dana, but she fell under Jun's spell, making Dana believe that since she was not campaigning against Dana, Dana shouldn't do so either...

I agree with that poster who said Jun's calling on Dana was a subtle way of campaigning...

Anyway, back to Nate, I hope he'll go on believing he made a good deal, this will spare him a week of grief. He should just keep on making the best of his last week and he'll look less a fool.

Bmh

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 02:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The reason Dana got some much shit for campaigining was because she did essentially campaign to stay in the house yet denied it everytime someone confronted her about it..I mean geez at least admit your trying to save your ass

Xarph

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 02:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If you want to see some real campaigning, listen to CA Gov. Davis' press conference at 5:00 PM PDT today.

Spunky

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 02:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Arnold Shwarzennegger was trying to campaign... :)

Woofy

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 02:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You want campaigning ... OH MY GAWD!

http://www.msnbc.com/news/949247.asp

Costacat

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 04:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think campaigning is an integral part of the game but, for some reason, the houseguests think it's a bad word. Dana campaigned, although she denied it at every opportunity. EVERYONE who has ever been up on the block has campaigned in one way or another. I mean, have you (at least in this season) heard anyone say "Please vote for me. Evict me please." There is nothing wrong with campaigning. What IS wrong is to deny you are doing it (that old pot/kettle/black thing).

If Jack is nominated, I expect he'll campaign. I believe he'll be pretty subtle about it, but he'll campaign.

Crazydog

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 04:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The HGs seem to get hung up on certain phrases every year. Last year it was "I have your word". This year it is "I'm not campaigning, but..." Makes not much sense to me as to why they put so much stock into these beliefs.

Costacat

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 05:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ANYTIME a sentence includes a parenthetical phrase that starts with "but" you just KNOW that what they say is not true is really and truly true.

I'm not stupid, but...
I'm not fat, but...
I'm not campaigning, but...

Bertha's "but" is all over the place in this house!

Maris

Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 05:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol, Costa. I am not agreeing, but..........