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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Is it really Nate's fault that David is leaving?: Archive through July 29, 2003

Rob_Robe

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i just can't help notice that Dana keeps blameing nate for David's eviction. was with this? is it really Nate's fault???

1. Dana's "crew" [jee3+jun] are in the majority, and are the one who is voting him out.

2. For all we know, Dave could had throw the HOH competition ... if not, he lost the HOH competition

am i not the only one who is becoming increasingly[sp?] , by Dana rambling/bashing of Nate ...

Spunky

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We understand your confusion.

Dana has admitted making a big mistake by not putting Ali and Nate together but she wants to blame Nate for it. One of those people who can't be humble enough and say "mea culpa, mea culpa".

There were 6 other people to choose from, but she had to put Dave up because Jun wanted so.
If you really want to know the real culprit, it's Jun.

Maris

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nates fault.

1. Nate concocted that brilliant plan to blindside Jee, Justin and Robert - never even imagining that they might get HOH the next week.

2. Ali concocted the Paranoid Dana view after her ex starting making friendly with Dana which resulted in Ali, pushing Nate to go after her and decide that she would be nominated next week.

Nate and Ali's loose lips is sinking their ship and David went along for the ride.

3. Nate of course used the POV to save Alison which resulted in Dana putting up David, which everyone on that side knew she would do. That is why Nate did not tell anyone he was using the POV.

Ultimately, unless you are a pawn it is your own fault for being on the block. David jumped on the trash Dana bandwagon without even thinking that the exes might just get the HOH next time around. David would have played it a lot smarter if he played it a little closer to the vest.

So ultimately it was David's fault

Peachie

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She is just showing that her moves are not indeed strategic but "Personal" but she has convinced herself in her OWN MIND that they are strategic. Her day will come and I really hope it is soon. I dont have a favorite yet but my least favs are Dana, Jun and Robert. Dana and Justin think that all of America will hate Nate because he pulled Ali off the block. I laughed when I heard that because I am part of america and I dont hate him. LOL

Is it Nates fault David is leaving? No, it is Danas cause she made it personal and put Dave up but it is part of the game.

Guinevere

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes. Nate vetoed Ali. Ali would have gone had he not vetoed her. So I do think it's Nate's fault.

Plus, I don't like his hair.

Nexell2

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No it is not Nates' fault. The Jee3 and Mt wanted Ali out because she will not kiss Dana's a$$ and then put Dave up to teach the dark side a lesson.Nate was very brave to help his friend. I have to put some of the blame on Dave too as he has done nothing to win HOH in the past and we would not be putting up with (MT) Dana right now if he had won HOH or even tried for it. Also, after Dave went on the block he started kissing up to the MT and it was too little too late and all too obvious.

Bunyun

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I take it if someone has POV, and uses it, then the HOH cannot choose that person to be voted on to leave?
I guess I may have answered my own question. Or else Dana would have put Nate up when he took Ali off.

Kk4

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I love David. I'm not sure how much I will be watching once he's gone. He is the only person that has me turning on the feeds.

Now with that said. Good for Nate. He's playing the game the way HE chooses to play it. Not following blindly what the power of the week demands of him. Could it cost him the game..... of course! As he struts to the door you can hear him sing......... I did it MYYYYYYYYY way :)

ps. If the rest are THAT upset about David leaving...... duhhhh...... vote for Jack!! I'm tiring of the Mob mentality.

Crossfire

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nate is partially at fault, but he is not alone in that regard.

Twiggyish

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dave has only himself and his stupid antics to blame.

Maryk

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Its a shared blame between Nate, Dana, Jun, the Stooges, Dave and Arnold & the CBS clowns.

Spunky

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, if we want to blame everyone else BUT Dana or Jun, then blame BB, they're the one who allowed the POWER OF VETO. What the heck do they give it for then?? Somebody, sometime will have to use it!

Bbfanatic

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i am not a nate fan. i dont believe it is his fault. if jack would have made others angry with him or made himself look like a huge threat, he would be going. jack is back, woo hoo !!!! (i hope)

Ministryoftruth

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Dana wanted Nate or Ali out, she should have nom'd both of them. These people never seem to learn that the decoy ("pawn") plan is stupid and almost never works out as planned.

Xarph

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nate did exactly the same thing Dana admitted she would do. Nate used the veto to save his friend, Ali. Dana said she would use the veto to save Jun. It is hypocritical of her to blame Nate for doing the same the thing she would do.

Nate did not choose to put Dave up. Dana made that choice. Nate did not choose to vote Dave out. Jun did.

This attempting to blame Nate is just the Rat team's way of making themselves feel less guilty about screwing Dave.

Meggieprice

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It is not Nate's fault. He did what he wanted to do to play his own game.

Dana nominated Dave. He would not be going otherwise. She is an expert at blaming others for her own actions.

Jun made sure it will happen.

Hindsight is no sight but Dave should have tried to win HOH and he might not be going.

KK- I so agree with you. This is the year of the Mob and i do not like it. It is also the year that one of my favorites leaves way too early for me. Blech. The only thing that keeps me from flat our grieving is that he disappointed me with his homophobic remarks. I hope it can be ascribed to immaturity.

Bigfan

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is a game, Nate won the power of veto. Nate had the power to do whatever he wanted with the power of veto and he used it. Part of the game, part of being the winner of veto. This is a game, there are several people in the house that Dana could have put on the block. This is a game, Dana was HOH and could deside who went on the block. I see it as Dana's choice. It's a game, Dave could have hung out with anyone in the house and he choose who's side he was on. Who David picked to play with was his choice.

This is a game! Life isn't fair, someone wins, someone loses. It's a game!

Cafe976

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I still don't understand why Dana couldn't just nominate Erica? (sp?)

Nope, Dave leaving is not Nate's fault. Dana could have nommed Erica and still preserved her alliance. They could still vote Jack.

But isn't this why the show is fun? They're under so much mental pressure, they can't think straight anymore! LOL.

"BB Logic" at work

Ocean_Islands

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dana nominated Dave, so it is her fault. If she did not want him nominated, she should not have nominated him.

Dave's fault comes in having been the master-mind behind the Great Humiliation of Jee3. It was not discreet. It was not nice. It was not wise. It was very fun.

Jadar

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 03:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
CBS is at fault for giving this season a lousy start. If they were going to bring in the exes, they should've brought them in together and leveled the playing field.
And they should've have picked people that were less shallow and had more to talk about than pageants and HS.

Cliotheleo

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 03:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's the fault of both of them. Everyone knew that David would be the first choice after Ali (or anyone else) was taken off the block yet Dana had other people (at least one) she could have chosen. For that matter, if Dana had put Nate AND Ali up we wouldn't be having this problem and I'd be a happy girl now because at least ONE of them would be out of the house tomorrow. So I agree that it's Nathan's fault and it gives me yet another reason to despise him but I wish Dana would shut up with her "poor Dave" routine.

Frogichik

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 03:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I see it as this is all Dana's fault to begin with with. If she would have stayed true to her alliance, then Dave would still be here. Although I'm glad she didn't! He really annoys me, always playing for the camera. To me it just seems fake. I like that Dana has created some drama this year.

Also, if she didn't want Nate to veto Ali, then she should have put them both up as others have stated. Dana says she didn't use the veto because Nate didn't want her to, but that's crap, she, at the time, was sticking with the alliance.

Smokey

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 03:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Clio. I was really hoping for Nate and Ali to be up together so one would go.

Oh, and I don't like Nate's hair either. :)

This Bible reading and trying to find reasons in the Bible to justify hateful behavior *really* makes me sick. Seems to be rampant everywhere these days, unfortunately.

Rob_Robe

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 03:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
this thread just proved that... if you don't like someone, is all their fault !!! LOL ... love the BB frame of mind ...

Xarph

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you Rob_. If you don't like someone, it is all their fault.

It is clear to me that Dave's banishment is the fault of no one other than William Jefferson Clinton.