Beachmama | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 07:43 pm     Here's my plan.. now if only Nate could hear me. He goes to the 3 girls and tells them that Jee3 are coming for them next. If the 3 girls all vote Jack out and keep nate he'll form an alliance with them to get rid of the Jee3. He'll do his "I swear I can win HOH next week" speech and convince them to vote for him to stay. What do ya think? |
Sanfranjoshfan | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 07:51 pm     I think Nate doesn't stand a chance....unless Robert uses the POV, which he won't. |
Aerojunki | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 07:53 pm     I agree Sanfran! |
Beachmama | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 07:54 pm     I know SanFran.. I'm just hoping for him to stay and looking for a way out for him. I agree it's probably a lost cause at this point but thinking of ways out of it for him is more entertaining for me than watching him Erika and Ali play cards. I do think though that his key to having any chance at all lies with the girls.. turn on that charm and work it Nate! |
Gina8642 | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 07:55 pm     I think that's a great plan for Nate. Unfortunatly it really isn't such a good one for the women. They have no incentive to go for it. Kinda like last week it would have been great for Dana if Robert vetoed, and Allie put of Nate. Would have worked great for Dana, but wasn't in the interest of any of people who'd be needed to do the votes/vetos. |
Beachmama | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 07:58 pm     It is in their interest though because Jee3 isn't going to keep those girls around. The three girls need to team up if they plan to stay in there till the end.. who do they think J3 will come after as soon as nate and jack are gone? Let Nate be the one to point this out to them and maybe they will vote for him to stay as he is stronger at winning the comps than Jack. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:01 pm     At this point, the best chance Nate would have is to build a time machine, go back in time a few weeks and nominate Ali for eviction when he had the chance. None of the girls will believe him now....he's desperate and it shows. None of the guys would trust him either, nor should they. He has a huge bullseye on his back, placed there by his better half...Ali. As Bb2's Krista would have said, "Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!" |
Beachmama | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:03 pm     Yeah.. his desperation is showing a little isn't it SanFran. I guess I'm just wishful thinking.. I really want him to stay. He just never should have used that veto.. darn that Ali! |
Lurknomore | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:04 pm     That would be a great plan except; 1) Jun would be in informing and laughing with the Jee3 about it <> <> 2) Erika is in too deep with Jack to risk such a drastic change in alliances with someone who has already shown he doesn't always stick with the plans. Mighta worked a few weeks ago. Of course a lot of things would have LOL cw |
Nmbeach | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:05 pm     Actually this would work well for the women. They have a better chance of being there at the end if they form an alliance with Nate, because the 3 stooges are going to stick together to the end, so they don't have much of a chance to make it any father than 4th if they stick with the stooges. |
Cameltoes | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:10 pm     I don't think Nate can offer anything to the women that would make him a better ally than Jack. They know Jack wants Justin gone and they know Nathan has already offered the Stooges safety in order to save himself. If they did want to team up next week to get the guys out, they can just as easily do that with Jack around. |
C1mag | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:11 pm     Each woman sees the game differently and it doesn't include having Nate in the game any longer. He's toast. Jun would run to the guys to get some drama going. Ali "might" consider it and Erika would never sell out Jack. He's gonna keep her safe next week when both of them go up together and she knows he's the definite target. She's a FOOL if she honestly thinks Ali is the next target. |
Scorpiomoon | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:12 pm     Here's what I want to know: Does Jee3 realize, if they do end up in the house last, there will come a time when one of them will have to go? They will eventually have to turn on each other. Yes, I know Robert has some idiotic idea that they will split the money. But come on, there is going to come a moment when greed is going to overshadow this great bond they have formed, isn't it? |
C1mag | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:14 pm     It's easy Scorp. You don't want to be in the finals with Jee. There's you're answer. |
Beachmama | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:27 pm     I've kinda felt all along C1 that Robert and Justin are the real alliance, they keep Jee around as long as they need him but yeah.. in the end it will be Jee they turn on. |
Scorpiomoon | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:30 pm     Thanks, C1. |
Spunky | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 10:17 pm     It could have worked but with different girls, and don't forget that Nate already promised the 3 stooges and he can't double deal when there is Jun who spies on them all. I thought the other way was for Nate to make a deal with Robert to save Jack but getting a promise from Jack to not put Robert up if he wins HOH and put Ali up and for Robert to convince everyone that Ali will surely win (not Jack) a comp and Justin will go for sure, so the best thing to do is to eliminate Ali and not Nate. The fact that Nate is still up could mask Nate's real campaigning to stay in the game. Risky but it's better this way. Even Jack and Erika will eliminate Ali before Nate. Jun may be the only one who really wants Nate out because she can't forget Nate's rejecting her in the beginning. That's the only way I could see the 3 stooges could be convinced. They will never convince Justin that Jack is a threat because Jack just can't win a fart and Erika's days are numbered anyway.. There's only Ali and Jun, but if you eliminate Ali now 2 of the 3 stooges will be in the finals. But how can Nate convince Robert that Ali is the one who must go now... Nate is not that gutsy and he's got a sense of honor that the others don't have. This is the only move that would make the game exciting for me to follow, otherwise see ya next Wednesday. |
Xarph | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 10:20 pm     Nate is getting just what he deserves... A week alone in the sequester house with Dana. Those two really, really deserve each other. |
Cricket | Friday, August 08, 2003 - 10:42 pm     I threw a similar idea out earlier today Beachmama. I was hoping Erika and Jun would talk and decide to keep Nate. All they have to do is get Ali to go along with them. They'd have to keep it quiet though, as it would be awesome to see the Stooges reaction again when the wrong person leaves! Nate should not have made a deal with the Stooges not to put them up. That was his mistake the first week when he made the deal with Justin. However, if the girls do keep him, I hope he will remember Jack's advice and don't keep his word; just put them up anyway. Otherwise no one will have a chance against them. As far as the end if Nate, Erika, Jack and Ali go, I see a possibility of Jun and Jee making it. Jun can fool those guys. |
Sunshyne4u | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 01:32 am     The girls are basically jealous of his looks and his refusal to get "more intimate" with them, (especially Jun who tried constantly) The guys also are jealous of his looks and confidence so this is a lose-lose situation. He will not be able to stay because he doesnt "blend" well. Sad but true, imho |
Sunshyne4u | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 01:36 am     OH yeah, I forgot. The producers DEFINITELY want Dana and Nate alone together in the sequester house. This show is such a set up....I really have lost interest in who wins. I think that it has been predestined and the next few weeks will not change anything. |
Beachmama | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 07:12 am     I guess I need to face it.. Nate is walking out that door next Wednesday isn't he? Sigh... That really leaves me with no one to root for.. just people that I want to see get evicted. Starting with Ali, then Robert, then Justin.. after that I guess I don't care who wins. |
What555456 | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 07:34 am     Nate's best chance of staying is for the non-Jee3 players to realize it is time they stop playng week-by-week and start playing long term. Now is the time. Next week is likely too late and the following week will definitely be too late. Up until now all of the non-Jee3 players have simply tried to cover themselves each week -- make it one more week and they are fine. Yea, they have to continue to play this way but they also have to now start looking at the long term. They are in the stretch drive and must make their move now. Now is a good time because of the arrogance of the three stooges. Every other person in the house has got to now realize these guys have no lasting alliance with anyone but themselves. To stop them from eliminating everyone else one by one, the others must bind together. This means the three women and Nate or Jack -- Nate being preferable because he is a stronger player in the competitions -- one someone other than Jee3 MUST win HoH next week to stop the sweep and then MUST put up two of the Jee3, ensuring at least one goes; it does not matter which one. They simply have to break the over confidence of Jee3 and make them vulnerable. I am not sure the women will do this though. Why? All three, especially Jun and Allison, are bonded too closely with their respective ex and will not believe that their ex would turn on them. Far too much emotion on the part of the women to match the cold calculations of the three Jee3 guys. These emotions have been the downfall of every attempt to stop Jee3 so far and, I suspect, it will be the downfall this week and next. But it is either now or never. |
Spunky | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 10:12 am     What.. Obviously they're not wasting any time "thinking" but will simply eliminate competition because it suits them at the moment, never believing they'll be in trouble again. That's their arrogant way of thinking... and by golly they'll win this way because in effect there's no competition left... |
Cricket | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 11:30 am     What stated: "I am not sure the women will do this though. Why? All three, especially Jun and Allison, are bonded too closely with their respective ex and will not believe that their ex would turn on them." You hit the nail on the head. Ali still acts somewhat possessive of Justin and Jun thinks she can still control Jee. Wrong way of thinking, as the guys have no alliance to the women. |
Beachmama | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:14 pm     That's what I'm trying to say.. the 3 girls and Nate (or Jack I guess..) could still have a chance if he could just convince the girls to go for it. But.. I don't think he's thought of this and as What said.. the girls are playing with too much emotion for the ex's. It's just killing me because it's so clear to me that this could work and they are all just not seeing it. Sure wish we could send a banner. |
Wgm | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 05:05 pm     I think that Nate will reach a deal with Robert by saying that alliances are part of the game and that sooner or later those alliances will not last untill the end of the game, and that Justin would turn on Robert and Jee in a heartbeat. Robert gets scared and takes Nate off the block and gets himself on the block and Robert gets voted off. |
Spunky | Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 07:29 pm     I can't believe Nate had the same idea I had posted here, telling Robert: Save Jack and put Ali up and then get rid of her. Of course the dude wouldn't do it and he didnt'. That goes to show you they don't know how to play this game... |
Wendo | Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 08:17 pm     Spunky, Robert (and his boys) already has a firm deal with Ali for protection. Nate just didn't offer him anything worthwhile. Too little, too late, for Nate. |
Suitsmefine | Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 08:36 pm     The only way Nate stays in the house is if he waits til all the other HG's are asleep and shoves their beds out the front door...locking it behind them. |