Archive through August 14, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
This HOH competition....:
Archive through August 14, 2003
Stro27 | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 07:25 am     If Jee tells her how much Robert hates her, Jun will vote to keep Justin. She wants to keep around the people that will do her dirty work for her by winning the HoH competitions and getting rid of everyone for her. Justin is much better at the competitions than Robert, so she'll keep him. Same with Alison. |
Puzzled | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 07:36 am     Many, many thanks to all of you who gave us a blow-by-blow description. Great reading. :D |
Marameko | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 07:36 am     Ah.........life is good. I have had a great time reading the boards. You all did a good job while I was snug as a bug in my 4 poster bed. |
Cricket | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 07:52 am     Poor Nate. I bet he so wishes he was in the house right now. Think about this...if Justin goes, not only will Nate have a week alone with that 'charming' Dana, but next week, he'll have to be a third wheel with those two hanging all over each other. How much punishment does one guy deserve? Would have been better if Ali had gotten the heave ho and she would have had to watch Justin and Dana. |
Wanderer | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 07:54 am     I don't know if Justin is the strongest. He could not convince the others (most of all Robert) that Nate should stay to win comps. I really think Rob is a very hardheaded person and would be the most persistant one there. A lot of this having to do with getting rid of Erica, (My personal favorite) gives him the incentive to go. I think Erica is smarter than anyone has given her credit for and she and Jack were purposly holding back. |
Eeyoreslament | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 08:00 am     I don't know Cricket....I think there are a lot of people who would LOVE to see Justin in the house with those two chicks. Remember, the competitive part of the game is over for the girls. Perhaps their more SHARING side might have shown its face in the sequester house. <snicker> I guess we'll never know.... |
Csnog | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 08:05 am     The sequestered house will be nothing but talk of "shouda". I shouda and you shouda. lol |
Smokey | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 08:07 am     I agree with you about Robert, Wanderer. I see him as the strong force in the Jee3. Justin has the muscles, but Robert has a way of making them listen to and take on his opinion. |
Wanderer | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 08:16 am     I really do look at him as a driving force. We tend not to like him so I think we turn our heads at some of his habits and therefore discount what he is REALLY doing |
Ruditoo | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 08:50 am     Just a foot note: Jack was the first one to name Justin as the smartest one, biggest threat,would make a good FBI man(in essence),and hasn't stopped saying it anyway and everyway he can. I just think he's the best looking guy in the House, Justin that is, as Michel was among the females. Both have very winning smiles. IMHO I don't think the HG want to be standing next to those two in the end. One down and one to go. |
Marameko | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 08:58 am     The sequestered house will also have Dana using her fav term " I was SO PISSED". Poor Nate......we should pray for him, being stuck with Dana.Last night on the tv show "The Family", Aunt Donna < Dana looks like her > said she "was PISSED". Was so funny |
Sbw | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 09:00 am     Robert may have won 2 Vetos... but obviously Jee could have won the face one and didn't want the hassle. Robert won the first game of Quoridor becuase everyone else was blocking Nate. He won the second game but it was against Jee.... sounds like the previous veto competition. He is doing a good job of moving the other 2 in his direction but if they aren't there to win the competitions or hand him the competitions, he would be in a world of hurt I think. |
Earthmother | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 09:08 am     I agree Sbw. I don't think Robert won any of those comps without the help of his buddies. They feed him what he needs to win and then sit and watch him set himself up as a good competitor. I think Justin and Jee are much more dangerous. Not only can they win comps, but they have two distinctive alliences in the house that they haven't revealed to Robert. |
Mrsmel | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 09:14 am     I still don't think Justin going is a "done deal" just yet. Ali, June and Jee could be persuaded to keep Justin just because they like him more and they may think they can use him to win the next competition (Robert caved before anyone else on this one) and Justin will put up Jack/Erika just tne same as Robert would. Justin ain't gone yet!!! |
Seanflynn2003 | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 09:16 am     Justin is also a much bigger threat in the final two than Robert, which at this point should be part of the equation |
Sbw | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 09:29 am     Seaflynn - I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out how once voted out of the house or off of the island how they would vote. |
Brenda1966 | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 12:19 pm     I hope you're right Mrsmel -- I would think Ali would trust Justin more than Robert and want to keep him (same with Jun). With Jee's vote that makes 3 to keep Justin. I hope it works this way. Robert leaving is fine with me, Justin leaving is not. There'll be NO more eye candy in the house if Justin leaves. |
Jigglywigglyjun | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 12:38 pm     ALI WILL WIN VETO AND TAKE JUSTIN OFF... THE <hd>  |
Pghparrothead | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 12:55 pm     Jiggly, If she does, I say put her up there and SEE YA! |
Prisonerno6 | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 12:57 pm     If she does, she can't be put up this week, but she pretty much does guarantee eviction next week, since she proves no one but Justin can trust her. |
C1mag | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 01:05 pm     yeah she sure would be brought forward as a complete liar if she uses the veto. She promised she wouldn't. The way for her to save Justin would be convincing Jun to keep him. Ali also promise Erika she wouldn't nominate her if she got the next hoh so who is left for Ali to Nominate? We all know it would be Jun and Jack and although she'd tell each one they are the pawn in the end Jun will go because Ali wants Jun out and Erika and Justin ( who also doesn't trust Jun) will vote to evict Jun. |
Bohawkins | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 01:08 pm     If I were Arnold or his partner Allison (not the houseguest Alison) I would fire the person who was put in charge of conducting the endurance contest. The competition was well conceived. Although, as some have pointed out, it did favor short people, meaning that the women had an advantage, but it also favored men. The natural design of a man's physical apparatus for urination, coupled with social conventions, gave men an advantage in that they could relieve themselves more easily without risk of embarrassment or getting themselves wet. What is most significant was that an important part of the design of the event was discarded, changing the nature of the contest and the eventual outcome. This was that one simple rule which was stressed at the outset; the contestants had to be facing outward. The key to this is that they would be unable to make deals easily. Any whispering would have been prevented. My guess is that whomever went to the trouble of establishing that simple rule (there were only a few others, like keeping your feet on the rails) did it for a reason. They wanted the contest to go on and not be highjacked like so many others on this show and on other reality shows have been. I think they wanted the fun of a true battle of wills, a contest where true determination combined with physical resolve would decide the outcome. Instead, there was only brief admonitions, begrudgingly offered, advising the participants of the rule, but there was no enforcement. The result was that instead of a true endurance contest we had the usual, duplicious negotiation and shallow deal making. Participants folded based on the same kind of alliance making we see all the time, on a daily basis, week after week. Six hours they went? Please. My cousin is a surgeon who does reconstructive facial surgery and stands literally ten hours without a bathroom break. My dad was pinned down by enemy fire in a wet foxhole for 6 days, clothing sopping wet, without food or drinkable water. Many years ago, I stood on line for tickets urinating right on the sidewalk for 29 hours in 17 degree (F) weather waiting for tickets to Deep Purple. About a year ago, I played craps for six hours, standing up the whole time, never leaving the table during the entire time (that was quite a run). So, we didn't see an endurance contest, we saw something else; we saw plain and simple alliance making, something we can see everyday. Sure, it's fun, but, I would love to see what the designers of the event evidently had in mind, and we would have seen something remarkable, had only the constructs of facing outward been followed. I would love to have been able to view behind the scenes of Arnold's staff meetings this morning, hearing and watching the screaming and yelling going on there. Now that would be some reality TV. |
Cameltoes | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 02:35 pm     Jee telling Justin that the deal was that Ali and Jee would vote Robert out. He's telling him that he (Justin) shouldn't campaign much but that he would work on getting Jun to also vote Robert out. Justin brought up Jee using the veto to save one of them and force Erika's hand but he didn't confess to promising not to use the veto. |
Kk4 | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 02:38 pm     Was that the deal? Voting Robert out? hmmm.... I didn't think so. What was the real deal? |
Cameltoes | Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 02:41 pm     It was hard to tell but Jee and Ali were definitely whispering something and when Erika and Jack first went into the HOH they mentioned something about Robert and how Erika "just had to say that" to cut the deal. So, I'm thinking that she agreed that that Ali and Jee could vote Robert out but not sure if she made promises about what she would do in the event of a tie. As always, it comes down to what Jun wants. |
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