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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Editing - What makes the 'Cut' (ARCHIVES: Archive through August 01, 2003

Tobor7

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The show was funny enough... but...

Is it me or was tonight's show editor cruel?

First there was the Jun eating/weight thing.

then

There was the Ali thinking Nathan is gay thing.

then

There was all the God/bible stuff. (Not even sure what they were going for with this.)

Any thoughs?

Bastable

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well... yes, but they have done it before. Remember Bunky and his crying? Nicole and her breakdowns? Amy being a drunk?

I think it's certainly worthy of discussion, but it has to be said that it's one of those things you sign up for when you agree to go on Big Brother--or any reality game show.

Kalekona

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
don't forget gerry and the handwashing and Kent being a pervert.

Bastable

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Or Gerry being a pervert while Marcellas was washing!

Cathie

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One of the many reasons why I would NEVER want to go on a reality show--a profile in a bikini that no one should be exposed to!!!

Tobor7

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess we know what they (the editors) had to choose from-- and what they decided to use. Ali saying Nate was gay will be a big problem for him (either way). It was a cruel editorial choice.
I'm not complaining. It just stuck out to me and I wanted to see if anyone else feels the same way.

Aus10

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As someone who's battled a weight problem on and off since..forever, I felt bad for Jun tonight. And I don't like much else about her. I know that alot of people probably felt like it was funny, but when you've walked in her shoes there's truly nothing funny about it. Us weight challenged people always feel strange about the least little gain in weight. We're made fun of when we gain, we lose the weight but are still generally self conscious about it, and it never fails that someone will come up and say..."yea, you used to be fat right?" I just want to say yeah...and your still ugly why didn't you do something about IT? Unfortunately Jun will forever be known as fat now just from those pictures....

Scorpiomoon

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to admit, the before/after close-up of Jun's tummy surprised me.

But Bastable is right. The producer get a kick out of mocking and making fun of the hgs and do it often.

It almost makes you wonder if these jabs are done in fun, to make the show more interesting (boost ratings--hopefully) or the production staff get sick of the hgs--their egos and their whining--very quickly and this is their way of releasing their frustration. :)

Midji

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you Tobor7. What I don't understand is, why did CBS choose to air Ally's comment, but not the fact that Scott admitted to having genital warts? If you protect a HG's privacy, you should protect it for everybody.

Aus10

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Other then Gerry has any other houseguest been overweight? I can't think of any.

Bluerose

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like to see people eat and enjoy it so Jun's eating is fine with me. But awhile ago I was seriuosly trashed when I remarked she shouldn't ever wear a bikini. I still feel it is fine to be what ever weight you want but for goodness sake, look in a mirror to see how you are dressed. I also felt the editing was bad. They made Amy and Jerry look terrible last year also.

Theo

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i think the editors still need to show more of the mean spitefulness of all these people. They have IMO be way to nice in the way they show this group. The Jun thing was a little rough because it obvious she has a problem and even she knows it so instead of show that they should make her come to the DR for some counselling everyday...but she did sign up for it..still they should hep her...

Scorpiomoon

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Aus10: I agree with you, but only to a certain extent. My guess is, because of your weight issues you have become compassionate toward other people. You would probably never trash people because of the way they look because you know how much it hurts.

But to me, as much as seeing that piece was surprising, I thought of it as karma coming back to bite Jun on the butt. She has said really cruel things about the women in the house, Jack's daughters and Ali's mom's weight. I believe she deserved what she so easily dishes out.

Max

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's the "Jerry Springer SHow" effect. They go for the lowest common denominator of "entertainment." It must work for ratings, or there wouldn't be so many shows that do it. :( The show hasn't aired here yet, but someone called it the other day about them putting together some kind of Jun montage. I noticed today during the POV thing when they were all sitting quietly on the couches for so long that they did a slow crawl all the way up Jun's body starting at her crossed legs. Figured that might be part of the "show," too.

Maris

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Aus, there is another thread also about how Jun is classified as fat and all the food and eating jokes about her. I dont care for the humor.

As far as the cruelty of the comments about Nate being gay, I think it is richly deserved. This is a guy who has spent the last five weeks making homophobic comments and saying some pretty nasty things about gays (lets not forget his conversation with Jack, David, Robert and Jee about homosexuality) so why not let him deal with being on the other side of the coin and experiencing a little homophobia. MAYBE just MAYBE he might change his way of thinking and get that superior smug attitude taken right out of him.

All that comment meant to me is they could have said anything it just showed that Ali will betray anyone and do anything to get ahead.

I thought the laughing and cakling over the bible was pretty bad.

Hamsterlady

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Watching everyday I certainly hadn't noticed Jun's weight gain so obviously. But when CBS put the pics up side by side I was kinda shocked. It was only a 20 day span between the pics. I feel bad for her but then again, she DID sign up for the show.

She had to have known she would be subject to scrutiny so if she gets mad about it I don't want to hear it from her. (BTW, I highly doubt she would be mad at CBS about this.)

And BB is a show for ratings and publicity and money. They're gonna show what they think is shocking and exciting and titillating.

While Jun's montage was not titillating it was shocking.

Xarph

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
re: Ali saying Nate is gay.

This says far more about Ali than it does about Nate.

Tobor7

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really think the gay story line was wrong. If the producers know he is gay, then it is wrong. And if they don't know he is gay... then they are really wrong. I watched the Ali/Justin convo on the feeds live, and I thought it would be interesting to see what they would use from it.
If they had a convo with Ali and Nate planning it as a planted lie-- then that would be one thing. OR if they had Ali in the DR explaining her comment as a lie to stop Justin from being upset with her sleeping with Nate all the time. OR some sort of strategy by saying it. Bet there was nothing.

Snee

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
from what i have read, jun has been (quite?) overweight in the past. if so, this montage thing has the power to really hurt her. i agree that she has been mean about others' appearances, but...

Bastable

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Aus10--I think Kent was. And Bunky lost a ton while he was in the house. And the Autumn issue, of course, will live in infamy.

Tobor7

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm just trying to imagine the editor and producer in the room making the decision of what to use...

"naw... don't show Ali making out with Dave. Let's use the fat thing... and add more bible stuff. That's good. And I can't wait for that $%@#$ Nate to get out and have to fight all the gay questions!"

Not every week has the same cruelty in the editing. I just think tonight's editor was in a bad mood.

I must say the Jee cig thing was a good public service.

Aus10

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Probably true scorpio....Perhaps if the editors had scrolled back to her saying these mean things and then showed her weight gain perhaps. But the way it was presented was just plain mean spirited. Granted, Jun is always eating but some of us don't. Hubby says I eat like a bird, but I can still gain weight very easily (it's not the amount of food, it's the kind of food - carboholic here). I know they don't want un-attractive people in BB and understandably so, but you can't tell me their arn't some folks who even though they won't look like Twiggy (oops, showing my age) may not be beautiful in every other sense of the word. One of my good friends is overweight, but she has the most beautiful face/complexion/personality/intelligence ever. She'd also be a perfect houseguest for this show, but would she ever apply. Absolutely not, for reasons just like tonight.

Catkey94

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Aus10--Chicken George from BB1 was overweight too.

Lancecrossfire

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tobor--I agree completely with your 7:13 post/assessment.

Snee

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i wanna say something about hgs with 'fat heads'...