Archive through August 01, 2003
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Archive through August 01, 2003
Indenial | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:58 pm     Gay people have a lisp?
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Katlady53 | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:00 pm     Lurknomore, thanks for saying what I was thinking. Lol "Now let's say he is. IF he wanted the world to know then it's his right to choose to share this info." Amen! If he is, it sure wasn't Ali's right to make the announcement. If one of my co-workers/friends/famiy members/acquaintances was purported to be gay on national television behind that person's back, I'd be irate and terribly hurt for him/her. Once the words are put out there, they can never be taken back. It doesn't matter whether or not Nate is gay...the point is that Ali opened her big fat mouth on national television behind his back about an issue that she doesn't even know to be true. |
C1mag | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:01 pm     Ok I guess what Maris said would make sense but shouldn't they have shown Nate on TV talking smack about homosexuality? Anyway, it was just stupid editing. They actually made it look like being gay is nasty and one of the worst things another person could be. Thats the only thing I got out of it. It was a cheap shot. It's like this season bb went anti gay or something. For two years they picked two gay dudes that could have sprouted wings and flown all over the place they were so gay but now this year it's a curse to even be considered gay on this show. Dang, isn't there a parade for the way I'm feelin for gay people right now? Maybe pride empathy or something? LOL |
Lurknomore | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:01 pm     Maris I'm sorry but I don't understand your way of thinking...what if this ends up ruining his personal life at home? What if he is shunned by church people, family, friends? What if women won't date him because they believe it? I'm confused...are you saying he should learn some lesson from this? And if I'm understanding that right, the producers had the right to make sure he learned that lesson? That All In The Family was GREAT...it was also actors playing a scene. This is a REAL PERSON, with a real life and real reputation to live with, who did NOTHING to warrent this. No matter how I look at it, it was simply irresponsible of the Producers and IN MY OPINION unconscionable. |
Bastable | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:02 pm     Maris, you're probably not far off. These things often have simpler explantions, more human explanations, than we ever expect. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:03 pm     If a str8 man's reputation can be tarnished for life for people thinking he may be gay....then that is sad for the people doing the hating not for the "outted" homophobic guy in question. I am so grateful that nobody has told other people that know me thatI am *str8*!....that would be so humiliating I'd have to sue somebody! (see how offensive that sounds?) If a gay guy goes on a BB, he should expect to be outted. If a homophobe goes on BB and leaves the house with others thinking he's gay and he is subsequently discriminated against, well that is simply divine retribution. Let the homophobe experience homophobia! LOL Like I've said before....that boy needs to learn some empathy(!) and if he isn't learning it through the bible (which he apparently only uses to justify putting down his BB opponents rather than to learn how to love others)...then he needs to learn empathy through *experience*! JMO... |
Bastable | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:05 pm     I agree with the empathy question, SFJF. Nate has said some dispicable, homophobic things. It's only proper karma that he should have to deal with this. True or not, it will be interesting to see the shoe on the other foot. Reminds me of an old play called Finian's Rainbow, in which a racist senator wakes up one day as an African-American and has to feel the effects of his own hate. |
Hellokitty | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:05 pm     Indenial, I am sure not all gay people do, and not all people with lisps are gay, but Nathan's speech pattern has a feminine quality to it, better? ;) |
Lurknomore | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:05 pm     Bastable, regardless of whether that's true or not, does the end justify the means??? IMHO NO! Besides even if that is true these folks are getting paid to be professionals at their various jobs NOT play with HG lives or get even like it's high school. |
Bbfanatic | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:05 pm     maybe the producers have nates permission for it to be used, if it would come out (no pun intended). that is, "if" he is gay. if one goes on reality tv, you have to expect that things may (will probably) get out one way or another. |
Maris | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:06 pm     Because Lurk, it will teach him a lesson from his own precious bible, Judge not lest ye be judged. He had no problem bashing gays for five weeks without any thoughts to any insults he might be giving to gays and I should feel sympathy if he is on the receiving end of what he has been dishing. Nope no sympathy there. Further, I doubt that Nathan's first foray into homophobic comments occurred in front of 80+ cameras. Sorry, I think he deserves to see what it is like to be discriminated against. It might make him think a little bit with that headcheese. |
Minnyace01 | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:06 pm     C1-I'm from Minnesota and you're from California, these parts of the country don't worry about what other people are doing sexually. But Oklahoma, is another story. It is a major issue down there. And regarding his speech pattern, all he has is a southern drawl, nothing unusual from someone in that part of the country. |
Lurknomore | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:08 pm     SanFran that is NOT the point. The point is every person has a right to choose whether or not they want the world to know WHATEVER their sexual preference is. To put a rumor out there..and that's all it is...to me is wrong. |
Bastable | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:09 pm     To subscribe to that point of view, one has to believe in some way that an admission of homosexuality is damaging or negative. |
Hellokitty | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:09 pm     If people from his church are so blinded by their interpretation of the Bible and their sheer hatred for anything that is a tad bit homosexual then maybe being shunned by people like that is for the better. But it is a bit odd that he is a cruel homophobe and all of a sudden he is being looked at as gay...karma if you ask me. I can remember last year when they were implying that Gerry was gay upsetting me more than a childish dim wit mentioning that someone might be gay because she more than likely can't figure out why he hasn't been talking their 'relationship' further. |
Maris | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:11 pm     Exactly Hellokitty, it is karma. |
Zachsmom | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:11 pm     I don't think anyone..gay or straight should have to deal with homophobic hatred. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. |
Lurknomore | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:12 pm     I give up...as usual those that see things one particular way here are unlikely to change and this is going in circles so I for this discussion but NOT for my point. We all have lessons we need to learn, but to have it done in front of all of America when it can cause serious harm to you reeks of that Jenny Jones incident yet again. I'm not ok with that, I'll never be ok with that, and it's not the quality of TV I like to watch. It's pure trash IMHO again. I feel I, as an intelligent viewer, deserve better than what they showed tonight (the segments with Jack notwithstanding...he actually made me LOL). |
C1mag | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:13 pm     Dang you actually think that the way a person talks denotes their sexuality? hahahahaha sooo funny! Oh brother I'm not gonna go there cause my aunt sounds like a man and she even sounded like that before she went through menapause and I'm pretty sure her husband would tell ya she aint gay. I'm just at a loss cause all that I saw on the editing was that it was a cheap shot in general. and after they showed it they suggested that shaving his body "might" be considered a gay thing. What about Justin and his mosturizing routine each night? I just think it was a useless edit, but I never thought of it as ruining his image, whatever the hell that is. I don't recall them airing Nate saying anything negative about homosexuality so if this is to get even only we daily viewers would get it if that is what they were trying to do. It just seemed odd and childish. |
Maris | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:14 pm     Is that the Finnish flag? |
Sanfranjoshfan | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:14 pm     Maris - "He had no problem bashing gays for five weeks without any thoughts to any insults he might be giving to gays and I should feel sympathy if he is on the receiving end of what he has been dishing. Nope no sympathy there." Exactly! People are worried that a rumor might hurt poor Nate when he spouts homophboia like stating that he would throw a gay child out of his home because it is wrong? I think you reap what you sow. If Nate is busy planting seeds of homophobia around like he does, well...he should learn what that kind of hateful bigotry does to people! Thank you for an excellent post, Maris! |
Bastable | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:16 pm     These are the things one has to consider and anticipate when they agree to be a player on Big Brother. No privacy! Cameras 24/7! It's the name of the game. I can't feel bad for him because he signed up for this. He also put himself on a holier-than-thou pedestal. |
Minnyace01 | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:16 pm     Lurk - I agree with your points. They should have, at the very least, had Ali on in the DR explaining why she said what she did. |
Babyruth | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:17 pm     Gueth I better find a good thpeeth therapitht to thet me thraight. |
Bastable | Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:18 pm     No, Maris, it's the French one.  |
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