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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Editing - What makes the 'Cut': Archive through August 06, 2003

Earthmother

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 04:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Unfortunately the truth is cruel..lol
Does Robert pick his nose (a lot)...yes
Does Jun eat (a lot).....yes
Does Dana say "Pissed off" (a lot)..yes
Does Nate act dumb as a stick (a lot)..yes

So what editing are you referring to?

Gidget

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 05:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Are you speaking to me?

If so I think the show vs. the feeds speaks for itself.

The show can be about comps and alliances and generally house goings on. Or it can make a whole segment out of Jun eating complete with close up body shots in case you are so blind as not to see that the girl has gained quite a bit of weight.

And last year with Gerry. Eating like a barbarian. Picking at himself and not washing his hands. Gerry did all those things. We saw them on the feeds. We could have easily seen unglamorous shots of him with context of other stories in the house. But BB made absolutely sure no one missed the point and chose to create a montage of him.

I'm not saying hide the warts. I'm saying do they really need Kleig lights?

Weinermr

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 05:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The point with editing is not WHAT they show, but HOW they show it.

They could choose not to show anything regarding Jun's weight gain at all, and not show Jun or the other HG's discussing it.

OR

They could show the HG's discussing Jun's weight gain, and show Jun trying on her jeans and they aren't fitting.

OR

They could show a 20 second montage of Jun eating, and eating, and eating, and eating some more, then show before and after pictures like they did on the show last night.

It's not just what they show or don't show at all, it's how they emphasize what they're showing.

Earthmother

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 05:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes they do need to show it...that is what this show is all about and these people are getting paid to display themselves any way the editors choose. If you notice they make a point of dispelling all the crap that these people spew in the DR. They also make a point of showing exactly what we talk about on these boards. It's part of the show and granted if the HG is our favorite it makes us mad, but we find joy in watching our least favorites looking foolish.

Ric_Munoz

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 05:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Jun gains weight to the point she can't fit into her clothes, maybe she can take the topsheet of her bed and turn it into a muu-muu. At least that'll kick-start a new (free) wardrobe.

Gidget

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 05:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother-
I can truly say that my reaction to the editting is in no way tied to how I feel about a particular HG. At least not this year. I don't care about any of them. Well maybe I favor Jack a little, a bit of the least of all...

Tobor7

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nicely stated Weinermr.

Bohawkins had a very interesting story to tell. (Worth going back and reading if anyone missed it.)

Now...
I'm unable to make a quantitative summary because most of the responses are so complex... but by tone it seems that a good majority of you don't have a problem with the editorial choices made in the past show. The debate was interesting and the personal insights heartfelt. Thanks for tossing them in.

Now I gotta go find out what happened in the house today...

Tobor7

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The Bo story is in the 9th Archive at 11:18pm.

Lurk, maybe the consensus was closer than I thought. Really hard to tell with all the posts, that's why I asked for the short yes/no answer after all the debating about it.

Gidget

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a question Bo. Can you phonetically pronounce the word Sassenach for me, the way the Scottish would pronounce it?

Marcie_B

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd like to know that too Gidget. Did you read "Outlander" series by Diana Gabaldon, by any chance, where Jamie calls Clare that throughout 5 books? I've stumbled over that word for years.

Beruthiel

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sass-unn-ack... and you're welcome ;-)
(From an expat British Northerner)

Beruthiel

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, and by the way, that's what the Scots call the English, meaning non-Scottish, and it comes by way of the name Saxons, from the days when the Angles, Saxons and Jutes from the continent of Europe invaded Britain, which was mostly Celtic, made up of what are now Scots and Welsh, and once upon a time, Cornish too.

Twiggyish

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've read the Diana Gabaldon series! Bernie, thanks for clearing that up for me, too.

Beruthiel

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Welcome, Twiggyish

Teachmichigan

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 07:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gidget and Marcie and Twiggy....this has NOTHING to do w/ BB>..I'm just a HUGE Diana Gabaldon fan! Davina Porter reads the unabridged tapes and she says Sassenach...like

Sahsahnahhk (all vowels like "a" in father).

Have you ever been to the ladies of lallybroch site? It's fabulous!!

Ok...back to BB! :) (and thanks for your patience)

Bastable

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 08:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother, I agree with you on that--I'm beginning to think that we are doing Arnold Shapiro's story editing for him! All he has to do is come here to find out the hot topics in the house, and then edit the shows to suit.

Gidget

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You guys are absolutely the best. I started the series of books at the beginning of July and have been entranced since. Luckily I read fast, I am 3/4 of the way thru the 4th book.

Several women in my office are reading them as well.

I'm going to start a thread over in general discussion if anyone wants to talk about the books.

They are so much fun.

Tobor7

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 04:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So... let's see if they qualify Ali's gay line about Nate on tonight's show...
OR
If they let it drop.

Any early bets?

Maris

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 04:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They will let it drop.

Tonight will be about Jee's grief over his father's anniversary, juxtaposed with Alison crying in the HOH room for cheating on her boyfriend.

Texasdeb

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 04:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We'll see Jee's grief, Jun's eating, Rob's coniving, Ali's stratigy, Jack's humor, and oh yeah - Dana's b!tching.

Tobor7

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, they gave Nate a backhanded chance to say on TV "I'm not Gay. I like women." And to make all the gay talk from the others seem like "kidding."
So I guess that's something.

And... how can you NOT like Jee after tonight's show? Clearly the producers like him a lot.

All in all, a bit more fair-handed than last week's episode.

Maris

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 08:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont suppose they mentioned how they wouldnt let him taste the frut or the wine as the ceremony called for because he is on PB&J?

Tobor7

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 08:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm glad they didn't use any of the HG's commentary about what he was doing when he was out there and they were all inside.
(The scene actually brought a tear to the eye.)
Jee's voice-over had a lot of emotion in it that you could clearly hear.

Tobor7

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No cruel editing in tonight's eviction show.
I guess the weekend "B" editors are a bit more kind-hearted.

Not sure if this is the place, but I'm feeling the DR stuff is so FLAT. If they thought the sequestering would result in better DR-- then they were wrong. The DR lines feel so staged and over-prompted. They are trading away DR insight in order to build false suspense with the vote. Wouldn't it be more interesting to reveal WHY they are making their vote-- and inter-cut that with Dana explaining who she thinks will vote for her and why... or SOMETHING.

All done now. Thanks for your support.

Tobor7

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe the Mods can change this topic thread name to something better now since the cruelty seems to have subsided... and editorial choices are still interesting to discuss...

Maybe:

"Show Editing Hindsight"

"Show Editing Prose and Cons"

Thanks in advance.