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Scarlet

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nutsy, I thought of that too, Jack is constantly "on guard" he seems to think too much before saying anything - he is'nt showing his true self, he is playing the game....I hope he goes far.

Boberg

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, we can throw anything out here,right?
Well, Jack is throwing the competions as long the power isn't held by one side too long. The New Twist is that Jack has been put in the BB House as a "Mole" and his job is to break up alliances and keep things from getting one sided. Jack appears to be on one side but has been very ineffective in helping that side. He pretended to try to persuade (sp?) J3 to put up Dana..Jack has been well trained in persuasion and could have been much more effective if he had wanted to be. He has won nothing so has not directly guided the game. Jack is a mole planted by BB to keep the HG off balance,not knowing which way things will go. The HG have said it themselves this year..."in this house you never know."

Nutsy

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd be very happy if Jack won the whole thing, Scarlet!

Jagger

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know if Jack threw the POV or not, it seemed like he did, but he may just be that stupid. No wonder our criminal justice system is as messed up as it is if he is an example of a FBI agent.

Jigglywigglyjun

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Jack doesn't win today I will be ticked!

The man better start winning something!

Lancecrossfire

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure how a couple of timed tasks can be an indicator of the value or worth of the FBI or the entire justice system.

I have days where I'm really off with things--a little slower, less coordinated, things just don't go as well. I would hope others don't see those as an overall indicator of my changing worth for what I have to offer.

Bbfanatic

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
uhhhhh, i didnt get the camera thing until the competition was about finished. i dont care if he threw it or not, as long as he stays in the game. go jack !!!!!

Jigglywigglyjun

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bb, I also want Jack to win BB.. I've said since the beginning,if ever an older person was able to win BB this one was it!

Scarlet

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He's is after all.....RETIRED FBI!

...does this mean past his prime?

...not the sharpest crayon in the box?

....a few fries short of a happy meal...?

Lisad

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
On Feeds, Jack just told Ericka he's been experiencing short-term memory loss since he's been in the house. He even tested his thinking - trying to remember things. He's concerned so much so that he said he was going to get checked out as soon as he leaves the house.

I can see this because he IS darned smart. Maybe this explains things?

Please let him get HOH tonight! I sure do like Jack & Ericka. The most genuinely likeable HGs yet (IMO).

Chy

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm still convinced that Jack has a big case of STAGE FREIGHT. He simply can't function when he knows he has to be in the center stage and most likely making himself a joker for the whole world to see.

His DR clips are probably procduct of multiple rehearsals and takes, which are a lot more under his control. Even in those you could see all different shades of pink and red going through his slightly contorted facial muscle. His voice also sounded like he was doing all he might to not to have a crack down.

With all that said, even though I don't think he intentionally throw the POV, I also do not expect him to ever do well in one of those live results-in-two-minutes HOH competitions.
He could have taken the cage one but did not have the need, imo.
Who knows, it all depends on what kind of comp. it'll be tonight. But Jack better try to phych himself and overcome whatever that's stifling his performance or else!

Spunky

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't believe Jack could actually survive another week because now Robert wants Erika out before Jack.
If the others could be convinced Erika should go before Jack, then I believe Jack is really a cat...

Nutsy

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack is the Will of this season!

What555456

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisad

You said this about Jack

"I can see this because he IS darned smart."

I haven't seen this. He seems to be of just average intelligence and not particularly insightful. He IS more mature, that's for sure, and so reacts differently to the various crises in the house. But I have not seen anything indicating he is particularly smart.

Why do you think he is?

Ray

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that Jack's every move is intentional. You couldn't be an FBI agent if you weren't extremely tricky and make it look like your natural behavior. Jack plays each HG differently and uses their individual strengths and weakenesses against them, allowing him to fly under the radar the whole time. If that isn't smart then I don't know what is.

Lisad

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What - Maybe not "darned" smart, but smart. I get this impression after listing to his game talk with Erica. He's got a good assessment of people in the house (for the most part), and is pretty good at formulating plans. Not saying he's the smartest in the house, but he's doing a good job of planning & assessing situations/people. IMO where he fails is in sharing those plans/thoughts with others besides Erica. I.e.; Jun/Ali. Goes into too much detail, who he wants to target the following week, etc.

Maris

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He is great at formulating plans. Just like Ensign Pulver.

Castleexplorer

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 02:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think that Jack being retired makes him any less intelligent. If what you said is "tongue in cheek", Scarlet, then forgive the post. It's hard to tell without voice inflection. Anyway, I think that a person who thinks before he speaks is EXTREMELY smart, or has a lot of self-control, anyway. (Says Castleexplorer who spends much of her day removing her foot from her mouth.)

Surreal_Badger

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i wonder if folks are giving jack the benefit of the doubt BECAUSE he is a former fbi agent. i mean, if he was a "plain ol" retiree, without the supposed talents being a fed would provide, would anyone even be thinking twice about this guy?!? would we even be having this conversation if he was a retired barber, or a retired ski instructor, or a retired flight attendant?

Kitt

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 03:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Jack blew the camera game on purpose, why would he have made it so obvious? If he thought he could have done it in a few minutes, then I'd understand him taking a few more than that, to be on the safe side, but 16 (18?) minutes is ridiculous! He couldn't have assumed that not one person could have done it in half the time. I think he couldn't get his head around it at that particular moment, maybe at another time he'd have done fine.

Twiggyish

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 03:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't care if he is throwing them and they can't prove it anyway. GOOOOOO JACK!!!! =)

Grannyg

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 04:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
GOOOOOOOO Jack!! Please win this and show those kids how to really play this game!!

Maris

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 04:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have been saying Go Jack for weeks but he is still there.

Amari

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 04:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Maris - every time I see that "go Jack", I think yeah Gooooo Jack - home that is!

Costacat

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 04:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In my opinion, Jack absolutely did not throw the POV competition. He just plain failed at it. He even had to stop to reread the directions once. I don't think that Jack is any smarter than anyone else, nor do I think he is that effective at making plans. Many of the people he wanted to evict were NOT evicted according to *his* plan. I do believe that Jack has wanted to win many competitions and has failed to do so due to his own lack of ability.

I will add, however, that I think his age has allowed him to better assess the PERSONALITIES in the house. But I don't think his assessments have gotten him that far. I think he is still there because he is not a threat. Most of the rest have been too intent on evicting those that they, personally, don't like. He's definitely been under the radar in that respect.

All of the above is my opinion. You, of course, are entitled to your own.