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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Real player not on real time tionight: Archive through August 16, 2003

Seanflynn2003

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thought this was worth a new thread.
I am in PDT, so not so big a deal, but Real Player comes on just after midnight, HGs eating, as though it is live;

BUT -

Allison makes a comment about how they have to eat all this food in 45 minutes (a reference to PB&J starting at midnight; this is on Real Player at 12:10 PDT;

AND

One poster told us two hours earlier that Jun won the PoV; says he heard it from a cousin on the set

OK - what gives? Did the further east people really need to be get waiting this long?

And do they time shift regularly?

Draheid

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seanflynn, this is only a guess because we have no way to verify it, possibly BB gave them an extension on the cutoff for food because of the time it took to complete the PoV competition. It makes sense if they didn't properly factor how long it would/should take and these HGs took longer then anticipated.

Just a thought, FWIW.

Seanflynn2003

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's possible; just that combined with the earlier tip off seemed oddball

Nexell2

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 01:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They do all kinds of things, you'd be surprised. lol

Spear

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 01:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee just said that it's 1:00 in the morning.

Spunky

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It seemed fishy to me as well... I wondered when the person who posted Jun had won 2 hours or so before the end of FOTH... Mmm, a cousin on the set? Wouldn't they be bound to secrecy??
And then Jee mentioning the time, as Spear said, which totally matched my computer time (I never changed it to 1 hr daylight saving time as soon it will change again), so it matches California time.

But it is really suspicious how that person knew for sure it was jun, it said: confirmed. And how could it take that long?? But then again how Jee could have said the exact time it was... Mmmmm

Maybe that was just one lucky guess!

Spunky

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh yeah! About that cousin on the set... UNLESS, there is some fishing business going on in the DR and someone fed instructions to Jun on how to do the competition so that the cousin knew 2 hours ahead that Jun would win...

Where's that Conspiracy thread....

Bonzacat

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I read in LFP from last night that BB gave them a 1-hour extension with food, as the POV comp. took so long to complete.

Ryn

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If you check the live feeds -= the HGs commented on how long it took. It seems they each took quite a while getting and understanding the instructions. Each HG had to be instructed individually while all the others sat in the dessert room waiting.

Ryn

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seven HGs, if each took 30 minutes (including instructions, etc) that would be 3 1/2 hours right there. I know the times they reported were fast, except Jack, but I am sure a lot of time was spent with each HG in the diary room reading the instructions, asking questions, clarifying, etc.

Crossfire

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spunky, I thought that odd as well, but from reading the sequence of events, there seems to be enough wiggle room for someone on the scene to make a credible guess while the competition was in progress, which is apparently the timeframe in which the information was shared.

It would appear that the potential was still there for the guess to be wrong, but 'cousin' got lucky this time, and saved face for our intrepid secret sharer.

Also there were claims of some technical troubles at the time, which are probably quite common, but we normally would not hear about them and by the time it goes to tape, it will appear to have run as smooth as baby's bottom. But that would have added an unknown amount of time to the clock making the guesser appear to have pre-guessed the outcome when it was not in doubt at all.

Jpgramma

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Ryn, I just finished reading all the livefeed posts from last night, both ours and the ones at jokers.

It's confusing. On the one hand we have the houseguests estimating that the comp took 3 to 3½ hours to complete. (Ref TCH 12:39AM LFP by Lordcirque. )

In other posts we hear the individual times, with Jack's being, by far, the longest at 18 minutes, 49 seconds. The others all seemed to clock in between 3 and 4 minutes.

Even if we use 4 minutes each for all the other HGs, that adds up to, on the long side, 49 minutes.

What could they possibly have been doing for the other 2¾ hours? ????

Perhaps BB set up the 'course' for each HG differently?? That might account for extra time, but that hardly seems fair. Wonder how they set up the waiting game? Initially we have them all being directed into the sand box. Wonder where they went after they completed their turn at the comp. Back to the sandbox or to a different room? Back to the sandbox seems unlikely, unless BB DID change the course for each HG.

I dunno. Whole thing seems a bit odd. Especially if we throw nexels post into the equation..that June "WOULD" win the comp, 'confirmed', 2 hours earlier.

surly there'll be some more speculation on this,

Spunky

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
All conspiracies add spice to the mystery of how that person knew it was Jun so ahead in the comp and I liked to read your thoughts on this.

When Ryn said they were spending a lot of time in the DR...asking questions, clarifying, etc... whoa! that leaves a huge question mark for our conspiracy theory... it must be that Jun understood exactly what to do right there in the DR and said: "So do you mean that if I do this it's the right move or..." and we know how well Jun can put the questions, right??? She may have duped the guys in the DR as well... eh, eh..

Jpgramma

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, in Spears's 4:27am LFP, we're given the order the HGs went in, and June was 3rd to last, with only Jee and Robert left to go after her, respectively.

Nexel's post would indicate that someone knew June 'would' win 2 hours prior to the completion.

If that info was based on how june had performed compared to those who had gone before her, it would indicate that the 'missing 2½ - 2¾ hours occured [i]after[/i] June's turn. Surely Gee and Robert wouldn't have taken that long to complete their combined 8 minute course.

If we totally ignor Nexels info (for the sake of looking at all possibilities), and used the missing time for each HG's DR time prior to their runs, that would mean that each HG were in the DR for an average of 23-24 minutes prior to their run. That's a mighty long time to explain the instructions.

I'm still perplexed by the timing issue, and will remain so I fear.

Spear

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It looks like it really did take a long time to explain the instructions. Erika was the worst case -- they said she was gone for about one hour. She couldn't understand what to do and was asking them to explain it to her again and again. Jack said that's what he should have done because he didn't completely understand what to do and ran the course in the wrong order. They were all laughing about the fact that he thought his time of 18:49 was great because Erika was gone for an hour!

I'm guessing it also took some time to "reset" the course after each HG was done. We'll have a better idea when we see the competition next week.

Justareader

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We may never know, but the show may tell. I think that the competition involved some kind of video scavanger hunt and they all got to watch each other's run after they all got done so that is where Rob can claim she cheated. So if you include the time it took to explain it to them and then run it and then them watch it. That could easily run 4 hours. No one would have been satisfied to hear "Jun won" without seeing the actual performance of the competition....

Spear

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't get any indication that they saw each others' run after they were all done. Rob claimed Jun cheated because she said she studied the course (something about the camera placement) before her time started. Only Rob thought she cheated. Even Justin and Jee thought it was smart.

R151996

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Live feeds were on FOTH for 3 hours and 38 minutes (8:30 pm to 12:08 am BB time).

The HGs were just being sent to the desert room when feeds went to FOTH, so figure 5-10 minutes in lag time before the first HG was called to get instructions. The HGs were already eating when feeds returned, so figure another 5-10 minutes at least in lag time after the competition was completed and results announced. That gets the actual time for the competition and results much closer to three hours.

Jee talked about going back into the DR after competing. If each HG spent time in the DR both before and after their turn, a 25-minute average turn per player could easily be explained (7 x 25 minutes = 2 hours 55 minutes). If Erika was gone for an hour as has been hinted, the average for the other six could have been less than 20 minutes and we know Jack's time just on the course was that long. Tack on a few more minutes to prepare and announce the results, and with the lag times at the start and finish the full 3:38 FOTH would be accounted for.

Resetting the course probably took 5-10 minutes between runs, but that could have been done while debriefing one player and instructing the next.

Seanflynn2003

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 03:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the careful recounting of the time.
As I said when I opened this, the fact that they were eating after midnight (when they had been told earlier that would mean PBJ) + the board being told two hours earlier that Jun had won by an inside source made the whole thing seem suspect, but I am willing to believe there was nothing untoward about this.

Bonzacat

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 03:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Has anyone wondered about the 2-hour-early Jun announcement? I still do!

R151996

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 03:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I still wonder too--probably just a lucky guess.

Otherwise Arnie's mole is outside the house, not inside.

Bonzacat

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 03:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe it was Nexell2 who started the 'Jun won' thread that was later deleted. Nexell also hints earlier in this thread that he/she might have inside info. Mole? Cousin on the set? Or psychic TVCH member? C'mon, Nex, tell us more!

Xarph

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 03:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe this site will help with this sort of issue.

Bonzacat

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 03:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Xarph!!!! This will keep my mind off 'grassy knoll' theories for quite a while!

Seanflynn2003

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 03:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bonza
Nexell initially reported it being reported on another site (this was around 10 pm PDT).
Apart from his brief message in one of the other threads (either POV contest or late night) which was left on, no other trace of this was left, since it was moderated for seeming lacking in credibility.
After Jun was confirmed as the winner, he came back on, said see, I was right, and said his source was a cousin or friend who was working in the house, and he had called him from the set and let him know.
There was a brief blurry of mentions that he had not done his source a favor, since he now was going to lose his job; Nexell said his source's uncle was head of the union.
Whether is was a lucky guess or really an inside source, I don't know.