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Friktion

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 05:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
AND was in the FBI for so long, I'm seriously worried about America's safety ROFL ... 18 MINUTES!!!

I'm 44 and age doesn't excuse that slowness!

Wilsonatmd

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 05:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well there was a trick to doing that game....point a camera at a picture, then when you figure out what number it's for, move that camera to the right picture. Jack messed up because he pointed all the cameras at the same person, then moved the cameras again...it wasted a LOT of time....and remember he almost won the ball dropping HOH (2nd to Ali)

Tobor7

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 06:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He saw there was no benefit to him to win it.

Ambie

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 06:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack also said he did not read the directions, thinking he could figure the game out as he went. Big mistake!!!! I don't mean to diss men, but isn't that just like that generation of men - don't want to read the directions.

Cameltoes

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 06:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But there was a benefit to winning this one - keeping Erika's nominations as they are and preventing Justin from winning.

John32070

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 06:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Jack threw the Veto, jury is still out on him throwing the HOH's though. Just hope he don't throw the one tomorrow night.

Beruthiel

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 06:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe Jack's biding his time, throwing them off the scent by not winning. By gum, I hope so!

Meggieprice

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 06:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I also remember when Jack first ran over to the strawberry suit in the food competition he was moving really slowly and not motivating and they had to yell at him to pick up the pace- they were playing for food so there was no earthly reason to throw it. I hope and pray he has been hiding his strength because I badly want him to win tomorrow.

Cliotheleo

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 06:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He may have thrown competions before, but what reason did he have to throw it this time? Wasn't it in his best interest to make sure no one ELSE got it?

Bluejaxrock

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 06:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Friktion, I thought the same thing. I really expected more deductive reasoning on his part. I mean, golllly, if this is the caliber of our FBI agents, no wonder this country can't find BinLaden...lol
I don't think this is the first time he said he had trouble with the directions. Maybe he's dyslexic, and was able to hide it all these years. Maybe?

Mlt

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 06:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ambie, I think you hit the nail on the head. It was a typical male move - figure out what you're doing without having to read the instructions. (Or maybe it's just the men in my life ;)

Chy

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 06:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Ambie has the right idea. No dissing, but both my father & father in law are that way, don't read the directions before going on a diy project, and NEVER NEVER ask for direstions if they'd gotten lost while driving!

I agree that Jack had no reason to throw this POV. Ali & Jee needed and did that. But Ali is convinced that Jack threw it, told Jun that she's heard Jack talking about "laying low"--we know J+E say that to each other all the time.
I wonder what this little "seed" Ali planted in Jun will effect everything later?--remember that Jun is usually the one to plant seeds.

Whit4you

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack knows that those who win comps become known as strong players and a threat. Why would he want to win this competition and become known as a strong player or a thrat - when it doesn't matter in this case? He doesnt care if the POV is used just means getting rid of Robert. He's playing smart by not winning unless he HAS to win something.

Stro27

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He draws more and more attention to himself each time he performs so poorly. Doesn't sound like his plan of laying low is working. Everyone is already on to him and he'll likely be the one leaving if he doesn't win the next competition.

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 07:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For those who feel Jack is throwing the competitions, I have a question for you.

Why would he say in all of his DR session he is trying to win if he isn't rteally trying to win?? None of the HGs get to see them, so he has no reason to cover it up. What advantage does he gain by telling the TV world he is trying to win them, when in fact he is trying to lose them? Doing that makes him look more incompetent. Saying he is trying to lose would show us his strategy and would clearly indicate his intentions.

Also, losing in the fashion he has so far, if it were intentional, he would be be clearly showing his hand to every HG--and he doesn't sem like the type to think that would get him anywhere.

He has no reason at all to hide that. So, what leads you to believe he is throwing them? (other than the fact he isn't winning)

Puzzled

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 07:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think he's thrown the HOH competitions, but I really don't think he threw the POV. There's no way he would have taken that long if he were faking--much, much too obvious.

Friktion

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 07:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lance - I'm trying to give the man the benefit of the doubt. Basically, I like him, and would hate to think that he's actually losing these competitions so miserably. Remember the one that started with the question about who was the most OCD? Dana was the answer (and also so obvious) and he was the only one who missed it. AND this question was SO relying on the houseguests' deductive reasoning, that's why I found it so bad that HE of all people missed it. I guess I just expected much better. And please don't get me wrong, I do like the guy, wouldn't mind at all if he won ...

Grooch

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 07:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is what I am suspecting, and I may be totally off base here, but anyway, here goes....

I am wondering if Jack is suffering from a hearing loss, and may not even realize it, or not want to admit to it to himself.

I have certain hearing difficulties myself, even though when I got it tested, they told me it was perfect. At times though, I get my constantents mixed up so I think I hear different words then were said.

When Jack lost on the first question about the HG's, I thought immediately, he might have misunderstood the question. When BB asked the last question about the King of the jungle, I thought for the whole day, til I read it here, that BB said tiger, not elephant. I would have missed that question because I misunderstood.

Tonight, I was thinking he messed up because he didn't hear and process the explanation of the game correctly, and winged it best he could.

Just throwing that theory out there. I seriously don't think he is throwing the comps on purpose. I think he is an honerable guy and is telling the truth in the DR.

Smokey

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really do not think he threw that veto competition. He reminded me of me :( if I don't follow directions closely, then get in too deeply and try to fix it and keep piling things on top of each other in a wrong way. I am not as old as him (I'm 48) but I really have to focus and concentrate more than I ever have and I am a person who always had a strong memorizing capability. Anyway, when I watched him, I related, although I like to think I wouldn't have taken that long! lol That's another thing that makes me feel he did not throw this competition--he didn't have to overdo it to that extreme, so I don't think it was on purpose.

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Friktion--that is a great example of where it would be a disaster if he was throwing it. It's such an easy question that throwing it on that omne only brings suspicion upon himself--it would be about the same as him being on a stakeout and having a sign on his car with the words "stakeout" in large letters.

And the reports of him taking so long with the POV one tonight--another example of the same thing. I'd rather he did well too--and I believe iif he were throwing any of them, he wouldn't make it so obvious, and would at least admit to it in the DR.

Grooch, that sure is a posibility. Along with a number of others. He needs to win this week--not doing so is something he knows could well spell the end for him. If he doesn't win, I'm not going to belive it was because he threw it--there is no advantage to him doing that.

R151996

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 07:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I never thought Jack threw the last veto competition--he just didn't have a clue. And I believe Jack when he says he had a braincramp on the Dana question in Justin's victorious HOH competition.

But I am convinced that he has thrown other competitions, especially Ali's HOH win. Jack had six balls with about 20 seconds left to Ali's five. Julie then announced the leaders just as Ali tied him with six. And Jack didn't get another ball as Ali won with seven.

Nutsy

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe Jack's just covering up in the DR by not admitting his strategy - how can you be sure evicted houseguests on the jury won't see them?

Pengoh

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He's got a lot of pressure on him during the live shows and I know my brain would freeze in those situations. I think out in the real world, in the FBI, he would be better able to think on his feet.

Kaili

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali threw it, and she did so without being obvious. Jack just flat out screwed up. If you're going to throw something, you don't spend 20 minutes doing it while the others were only outside for 5 minutes tops. I think once he hit 7 minutes, he would have been best off just hitting the buzzer and getting done with it. He must have known at that point that he lost that one. Poor guy. I like him.

What555456

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe Jack is seeing this whole think as meaningless as we have all come to see it. Maybe he is just plain bored and does not care anymore. He can get some interest in the strategizing going on, if only because it adds some break to the monotony. But in reality, he cares as little about these people and who wins as the rest of us.

Or maybe this is Jack's way of signaling all of us that this is really all a big fix, so don't get too worked up about anything.

Or maybe he just sounds intelligent but isn't. <g>