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Jigglywigglyjun

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Ez...hahahahahha...

Naja

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jiggly, I think it's just her sick way to keep herself safe no matter who wins HOH next week. I don't thinks she thinks any of the Jee3 would ever go back and tell Erika and Jack she spilled the beans on their conversations. By coming back and telling them the Jack/Erika stuff, maybe she thinks she looks loyal to J3. Icing on her phoney J3 loyalty cake, so to speak. When in reality, her loyalty is no one's but her own.

Puzzled

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Jpgramma. Jack and Erika BLEW IT big time by opening their yaps to Jun.

All they had to do was win HOH and put up Jee and Justin and Jun and Ali would have been begging to make a deal.

They know what a blabbermouth Jun is. What were they thinking???

Crossfire

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Could still happen.

Thunder

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's like this, Jiggly:

Jun tells Jack "we are with you." She knows that Justin is the primary target.

Jun then blabs all to the stooges, making Jack their primary target (after Nate, of course)

Jun may be thinking about the endgame. When she was approached by Erika/Jack, she had to find a way to do the switch plus pull off a win with a Jee3+Dana+Ali jury, most of whom she will have betrayed in this switch.

I wonder if her solution was to come clean with the stooges, but present it in such a way that suggests she would never consider switching sides. "You wouldn't believe what Jack suggested..." She rams her point home by sprinkling in some venom and swearwords, really getting the guys riled up about Jack.

Then, when the time comes that Jack or Erika win HOH..."well, sorry guys, but obviously I had no choice. I told you that Jack DID approach me, and I had to do it for my own survival. You guys would do the same thing."

It will be Jack's fault that Jun had to switch sides.

Let us not forget Jee. The whole time Jun was blabbing in HOH, Jee is silent (or absent??). Jun (and Jee) knows that the Jee3 will not make a move without a Jee3 meeting, sans Jun. Enter Jee, who talks dumb and dumber out of confronting Jack and Erika. "Don't let Jack take the focus off Nate, guys. Get Nate this week, then we'll take care of Jack."

This way, Jun remains on the fence. She has both sides gunning for someone other than Jun/Jee. She has a perfectly good excuse for taking whatever side she takes on Wednesday (survival), leaving the other side to hate the catalyst for her switch even more (Jus/Jack).

OR

Maybe I'm giving Jun too much credit.

Stro27

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 02:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's hilarious that Jack and Erika are trying to get Jun to do their dirty work and be a mole for them when she's doing the exact opposite and being a mole for the stooges. I expected Jack to know better than trusting Jun.

Misslibra

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm surprise that Jack trust anything Jun say as well. At least Nate knows Jun can't be trusted. If the stooges are dumb enough to save Nate, I hope Nate come out with both barrels blazing and take out the stooges. That would make my day.

Wendo

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 06:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok...so I've caught up on the live feeds since left while Nate was BEGGING Justin to stay. (Basically, doing a switch to the Jee3. Ironic really, considering that's exactly what he's mad at Ali about. She just did it before him. LOL!)

Anyway, is there any indication as to what's been decided re: Nate? Are they going to keep him and boot Jack? Erika is definitely going to vote Nate out over Jack. Ali may now too since she's not too happy with him after today's events. Plus, Jun does want Nate gone first.

(Ok, Jun just told Erika about Robert's offer to take Justin down from the block even if he's on too. And that they went against Justin today so the other boys feel they owe Justin. I'm assuming Jun is talking about the still evicting Nathan.)

Sheesh, this is exhausting keeping up with everything.

Ezgoing

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 06:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, the latest status is it's still Nate going out the door. Jun did a good job of reminding them (Jee3) that keeping Nate was riskier because as things stood, he was going home, leaving Jack and Erika as the sole threats. If they voted Jack out, Nate just might waffle on his promise not to go after them--why risk it when they had a 'sure thing' with their original decision to make Nate the evictee. They decided to not tell Nate or the others what they'd decided, just to keep everyone else wondering.

Of course, with the way these folks handle things, that could change before the live vote :).

R151996

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 06:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In that same convo, Jun and Erica discussed the potential of a Justin-Ali alliance and they both incorrectly dismissed the idea. IMO Ali is appearing to be "emotional" intentionally to disguise her secret alliance.

Cameltoes

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 06:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Missed Jun/Erika but earlier, after the Justin/Nate conversation, Nate then talked to Robert and Jee alone. Then Jun, Justin, Robert and Jee all discussed it. Jun and Jee were pressing hard for Nate's eviction. Robert seemed most likely to sway to Justin's opinion but by the end of the conversation, they all seemed pretty well convinced to stick to the plan and get Nate out this week. Robert offered the veto to Justin since Justin felt vulnerable with both Jack and Erika remaining to get HOH.

Seanflynn2003

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 07:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just had a thought.
The HGs may end up being afraid of having Jun in the sequestered house for fear of how strong her influence would be there with the fellow jurors.
At this point, Jun is either going to win, or decide who will win by her influence and what she decides to say.

Chy

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 08:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Give Jun some credit. I like Thunder's (8/11, 1:23pm) explaination of the logic behind her action.

Jun is not in there to find romance, make life-time friends, launch an acting career or get a cooking show.
Jun is not in the house to have Summer fun, be popular, get some once-in-a-life-time experience, be a raod modle for students or looking for book-writing materials.
Jun is in that Big Brother's House to play the game! She may love the $500,000.00 or she may treasure the satisfaction of being the winner. I don't know what's more important to her, but Jun is definitely putting herself through the grind!

Please give Jun some credit for playing the game.
I hate to say it: would you rather have Jun play it "with class" like Erika and Jack has been?
Think about how much Jun gave us to talk about. Today alone.

I really prefer if Jun would not use so much ugly words, but I think may be she just has to talk to J3 in their level/lingo. (I still feel bad for Jun's parents.)

Seanflynn2003

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Chy all the way.
To add one more thing: she is not there to win the Miss Congeniality award from BB board posters either.
My guess is that she couldn't care less about that, nor should she.

Twiggyish

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 08:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree she's strong! She's not my favorite, but I also give her credit.

Chy

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 08:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sean-, (in response to your 7:18pm post)
I am not sure if those hgs in the house even know what kind of soul-dizzying soup Jun is feeding them! We have the distance and the unfair adventage over them.
We long have discovered Jun's special talent of twrilling the three blind mice around. But Jun, being a real woman, always allows those guys to think that, whatever she wanted them to do, was their original intent! (I watch MIL perform the exact same art every day)

This could very well backfire on Jun when all evicted get to compare notes before casting their Jury votes.
I still do not understand why AS won't go all the way. Not only should BB sequest the jury members, keep them away from DR, they should not permit each discussions with fellow evictees!

(Please pardon the bad spelling and English...)

Seanflynn2003

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 09:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chy ---
Your spelling and English rank with the best of the posters here -- no need to apologize

Justareader

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 09:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chy - great observations and I have thought similiarly about Jun!! ( i also think that the rules of grammar, spelling, puctuation and other such things are set aside for this (and most) board!! Especially when doing LFP's!

Chy

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 09:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wasn't fishing, but thank you very much, Sean.

Some times all the words look strange to me and I'll have to take a long time to fix the spellings. Some times I couldn't even understand my own post days later! Tonight I need to go to bed earlier so I put the disclaimer in.

Jmm

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 10:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chy, Please go to your new folder Chy's Folder