Archive through August 20, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
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Archive through August 20, 2003
What555456 | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:46 am     There has been discussion on other threads about BB's manipulation of emotions on last night's show in the Robert/daughter segment. Was anyone else as bothered as I was with the exploitation of a little three year old girl? I saw it as extremely blatant and uncalled for, except for ratings. Little girls should not be exploited like this. (I also found it interesting, btw, that she did not cry or seem at all visibly upset about missing her father. If he were that important to her, wouldn't she have shown some emotions rather than the proud little smile 3 year olds get when some adult has told them they have done a good job?) |
Smokewilliams | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:48 am     She wasn't crying because her Mom bought her a cute little puppy. Plus Robert is <MK>. |
Maris | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:52 am     She is either eight or nine years old. I am sure she was thrilled at the idea of being on t.v. I can remember when my 7 year old was intereviewed for a news show it was a huge thing. Last week, I had to sign a release for him to appear in a movie. He was holding his breath in case I said no. He was on the phone all night telling his friends he was in this movie and his name would appear in the credits. It is a big thing for kids. They have done this on previous bbs. They showed Danis children, Kents children, Loris kids. That is part of the show and the mother could have said no if she thought it would harm her daughter. She looked like she had on her best party dress and was happy. |
Halfunit | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:53 am     The only emotions I'd be having, with a huge camera shoved in my face by a stranger, at that age would be fear and anxiety. Ed. - Maris, you made me think of something else. Does anyone think that (non-professionally acting) kids really "act themselves" when they are in front of a camera like that? I've seen kids not talk at all, and then some that run around like crazy maniacs, lol. Who can really say if that was a true representation of Elaina? |
Jubale | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:02 am     Agree Maris. It is a big deal to kids. And because she did not cry on camera doesn't mean she doesn't miss her dad. Many girls that age do not like to show too much true emotion openly in public. |
Bluejaxrock | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:02 am     Isn't she older than three? I thought I'd heard him say that she was six. If she's only three, she is much more advanced than my 4-year old. It was kind of a cheap shot to play on the emotions of viewers by using her instead of grandma or grandpa. Why should I be surprised, though? This is, after all, BB4 and I should "expect the unexpected", which to me means to expect the kind of tacky behavior I've seen so far this season . |
Squaredsc | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:07 am     no i wasn't bothered at all. |
Sherri | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:13 am     no, I wasn't bothered - just intrigued that so many people would vote for Robert to win and seem to feel sorry for him. |
Kaili | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:15 am     Hmnmmm...I thought she is 7- maybe it was that they were divorced 7 years ago though. |
Brenda1966 | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:17 am     As a mom, I was not bothered by it at all. The kid was fine. Being on TV was probably a huge thrill for her. I, too, am surprised America voted for him to win. Just goes to show that most don't have a clue about what happens on the live feeds. |
Charvie | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:20 am     I am not surprised he won. In spite of his ignorant behavior, he is the one with the youngest child in the house and he does talk about her in a very favorable and loving light. |
Squaredsc | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:20 am     and that is a good thing, not having live feeds. |
Crossfire | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:22 am     "Was anyone else as bothered as I was with the exploitation of a little three year old girl?" No, it seemed fine to me. Parental/guardian approval would have been given in any case. "I also found it interesting, btw, that she did not cry or seem at all visibly upset about missing her father." This is a low blow. We have no way to know what has really transpired by viewing the final edit of a clip on TV. Anyway, I think to call it exploitation in the negative sense of the word is a bit too strong. |
Penpoint | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:24 am     Wow, this is a non-issue! |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:26 am     What, she cried when he was "kidnapped." If you happen to have the tape, go back to the episode where he talks about how much he misses her. There's footage of him hugging her goodbye and she's whiping away tears from her eyes. And Kaili is right, she is 7. I think the fact that the child's mother is allowing her on the show means that Robert, despite all of the things he apparently does that bother you all so much, is a good father and gets along well with her. From what I've seen the two of them are very close and apparently her mother knows and encourages that. |
Teddysmom | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:28 am     She is seven. I'm not surprised she didn't cry this was a great adventure to her. |
Serene | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:32 am     I think America's vote was for Robert's daughter more then it was for Robert himself. |
Mak1 | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:37 am     She's 7, and I thought she seemed thrilled that she could read her letter on tv. My husband is in the merchant marine. Our daughters always missed him when he was away, but they didn't sit around and cry about it. Writing letters and sending pictures is a positive, happy thing for a child. Like someone else just said, her mother would know if her daughter could handle it or not. No, it didn't bother me at all. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:37 am     Well and you also have to consider that the original question was heavily weighted to help Robert win. He was shown being very emotional about missing his daughter (as well he should be) and his "plea" was one of the last that was shown in that montage. Immediately after it was shown, the thread about it here on the board was HEAVILY in Robert's favor most likely because he had just seen this footage on the show. Go back and check it out. Later on, when more posters (who I'm sure have seen a lot of the LFs) began to post, there were fewer and fewer people wanting Robert to get it. My point is, I would guess the majority of those participating in the vote only see the show. Add to that the way the whole thing was done, showing Robert being so upset, then it's no surprise to me that he won. And I'm glad he did. |
Lauram | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:48 am     She is 7. and what a cute little girl she is!! Does anyone know when/if Robert was divorced? Then when and how long was he with Erika? I am guessing that the alcholism had something to do with the divorce and he has only been sober for a year. So does that mean that Erika was with him during what was probably the lowest point in his life? (not that he is walking too tall these days) |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:53 am     I'm pretty sure that Erika was with him AFTER the divorce (does that answer your question?) She seems to be too familiar with the little girl so I'm guessing she knows her too. She cried when they were all reading the letter (but I guess that doesn't mean anything so was I! LOL!) but she also talks about how much Robert loves his daughter etc. So I get the impression that she's seen them interact. |
Crossfire | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:53 am     My understanding based on a conversation Robert had with her on one of the TV shows, is that she only experienced the beginning of his troubles. |
Julieboo | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:57 am     I don't think she was exploited at all. I was not bothered either. She is 7, not three, if you thought she was three, then you don't know what little kids look like at different ages. (maybe you thought three cuz that was the age that Robert said he told her that everytime she saw a white butterfly that it was him thinking of her) And isn't a white butterfly a moth? |
Kaili | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:57 am     I thought that he has been divorced for 7 years, and Erika was with him for 2 years, 2 years ago. I can't guarantee that I'm right about anything though |
Bb234finalist | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:58 am     My niece is 7 and she's as close to me as she can be without being mine. She lives with her mom, she loves her dad. She has a great relationship with her dad, but she is content just talking on the phone with him, seeing him for 15 minutes here and 10 minutes there. She (Roberts daughter) SEES her dad, she knows where he is, I'd be very surprised if she cries over not seeing him in person. Little girls love to hang out with their moms, and stay very busy at that age. Robert can't SEE her, which is hard for him, but for her, I think she is excited her Daddy is part of a big tv show, and she knows he'll be home soon. I personally think the nose picking chauvanist is appauling, but I voted for him...for his daughter. She is very sweet and has obviously been through a lot and I knew it would be very exciting for HER to have her Daddy get a letter. She's been through alcoholism, a divorce, now another separation....she is an amazing, cute child. I'm glad her dad got her letter, could you imagine if she had written it and he didn't win? Although, we have no idea if Robert really won, I found that surprising...BB could have picked whoever they wanted, how do we know? Anyway...just my 2 cents. |
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