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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Is CBS trying to FORCE us to like Robert? ggrrrrr!: Archive through August 21, 2003

Kalekona

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Everyone is so hung up on what Robert says that you can't see anything else.. Why is he a hit with the ladies? Watch him with them, while he spouts of (all air in my opinion) when face to face with any of the females he is very respectful, attentive and engaging.
As for playing the field.. so what. He's honest about it and not every woman wants to settle down with a ring on her finger. If he was leading some girl on who thought he would marry her or be faithful to her then that's a problem but he makes it clear he doesn't want just one woman. Bill Maher is the same, will never marry enjoys a different woman as often as possible. Your only problem with Rob is his choice of vocabulary.

As for why the big push for Robert, good question. I have no idea. Unless you think everyone else in the house is as dull as shoe leather.

Laluna

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
His salsa dancing sure wouldn't do anything for me. The guy doing it would have to have alot more going for him than that. I don't find anything attractive about Robert's personality, values, or appearance. BB can try and twist things with their editing all they want but it will not change my opinion of him. I find him repulsive.

Boberg

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lorry you spoke most eloquently while on that soap box...lol

Tabbyking

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 11:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
it was his saying he 'cheated on every woman' and intends to 'cheat on every woman' during a 'relationship' that is weasely, IMO. i also recall him saying 'all men' cheat...he can play the field all he wants but he shouldn't be in a 'relationship' if he can't be faithful.

Lorry

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bo.... yep, sometimes I get a tad full of myself.. hehe I like to think I am eccentric, but my kids sometimes laugh and say it is senility.

Kalekona

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well Tabby it sounds like as far as relationships go it's only really been Erika and his Ex. He's not looking for one. And there are plenty of women out there who feel the same. A night or two of pleasure is all they are looking for. It doesn't sound like he's out there taking advantage of innocents like Michelle.
As for the "every guy cheats" I think men who do want to believe any man would have done the same.

Lorry- you are so very right!

Boberg

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lorry you need to inform your kids that insanity is hereditary...you get it from your kids...LOL
Thanks for the laugh, enjoyed both your posts.

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But Kalekona - I read some mention about Robert bragging to the other guys that he "de-virginized" the *sister* of a "friend" of his:

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If this is true and if Robert really does not want to get serious with *any* woman, then it seems to me that he actually has indeed "taken advantage of innocents like Michelle"....at the very least one innocent. I don't think most female virgins are women just looking to get "de-virginized" for "a night or two of pleasure".

JMO...

Marej

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
CBS has been showing the "good" Rob on the TV show and not the Rob that we see on the live feeds. So guess who CBS wants to win.

Crossfire

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We don't have any say, so what we see on TV will not have any effect on the eventual winner.

Kalekona

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
has he taken advantage? Or was she a willing partner? Just because she was a virgin doesn't mean she was an innocent or that she expected a life long relationship with him. (i also do not believe we know when this occured and it could have been high school or college)
We don't know. And so far there aren't any women screaming out about his treatment of them.

Tishala

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SFJF, just because a young woman is a virgin does not mean she is innocent. Some of us young women were indeed deflowered in/for a night or two of pleasure.

not that i am thinking of anyone in particular, mind you

Meggieprice

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
CBS should show Robert talking about what he will do with the money- his daughter's name never comes up-just taking the other two to Vegas to party and find women.

Robert said he has cheated on everyone he has ever been with. To cheat on someone implies they thought you were going to be faithful.

I am too sick with the flu to think about him any more- my husband and I were speechless last night at CBS's sugar coating of someone we find reprehensible. Blech.

Kalekona

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggie maybe Robert doesn't talk about the money and his daughter because it is already a given that she will benifit from it. So he talks about the fun stuff he'll do.
I know I would.. it would go without saying that my family would reap first and then the fun would start. And it is more interesting to talk about the fun stuff you'll do with the money instead of just saying "i'll pay bills and start a trust fund"

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kalekona, Maybe he did not take advantage of her and maybe he did.

In any case, I understand that you have a view of Robert that is inconsistent with my own. However, I do believe that my views are legitimate as well.

Prisonerno6

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 01:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've finally realized why I don't like Robert -- I'm not a mind reader.

When he calls all women c*nts and says they're good for only one thing, I have to assume he means it, because I can't read his mind to know he just being a boy and they're just words he doesn't really mean.

When he mentions spending his money on Vegas and ho's, I have to assume he means it, because I can't read his minds to know he means with what little is left after he pays his bills, sets up the college fund with his daughter, puts enough aside for times when he's unemployed, etc.

When he says he cheats on every woman he goes out with, I have to assume he means it, because I can't read his mind to know that he's upfront with every woman he dates (except Erika) and makes sure they know he's going to see other women.

I thought BB was on CBS, not the Psychic friends network...

Widowswalk

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've said this before on another thread but have o repeat it as this topic is way too good to pass up. While like most people, I find Robert repulsive, the evil side of me wants him to win. I love nothing better than to see good, honest people in a state of outrage. I know, I'm sick and as I said before, I've been this way for over half a century. The board would stay alive months after the show ended with long winded posts that take up most of the page, people writing CBS, the whole nine yards. In this age of political correctness, a win for Robert would be an outrage to the good people of the planet. I love just thinking about it. He such a low life.

Kalekona

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh but widoswalk is he REALLY a low life or does he just play one on TV?

Scarlet

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kalekona: Oh no...what you see is what you get.

Ladytex

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 01:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't like him, nor can they make me .... so there!

Kalekona

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Scarlet how do you know that? That's the point we don't know. Everyone that has talked about him says good things about him, even Erika to an extent so we really don't know the real Robert, or the real Jee, or the real Ali etc. We only know how they are locked up bored and playing a game for 500 thousand dollars. That's not real.

Kalekona

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
and your right ladytex they can't make youulike him, they can't make anyone who watches the live feeds change their minds. They can only "make" those people not watching like him.

Maryk

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you Prisonerno6, I am repulsed by Robert's behavior because of his words and actions that I've observed and I am not convinced that in his heart and mind he doesn't feel that way. I can only judge based on that since I'm not psychic. Arnold and his friends will never convince me otherwise by their biased editing.

Mlt

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In response to the original question: Yes (IMO)

But it does beg the question: How much can television producers effect our views of right and wrong? I find it interesting that although from live feeds, I have come to the opinion that Robert is vile, I find that their editing of Robert makes me want to like him.

Csnog

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If BB would EDIT the show fairly and show the other side of Robert maybe the posters would not be on Roberts case.

Robert will always be known for the rest of his life as a cheating, woman hater and vile man to those who have seen him on the internet. He will attract the same kind of women who are attracted to men on death row. They think they can change his ways. They feel sorry for him. No one understands him but them. Robert is this years mind bender Roddy. Is Arnie shoving Robert down our throats? Yes!

Arnold wants a male winner this year and he is going to make him look good to the TV audience.

Julie should distance herself from this show if it is indeed fixed in any way.