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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Vilification?: Archive through August 04, 2003

Gina8642

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm just wondering why all the HGs have to vilify the person who is about to leave?

Right now, Dana isn't even allowed to speak without the other HGs jumping all over what she said. It doesn't matter what she says, she could say "look the sky is blue today", and her fellow HGs would accuse her of trying to manipulate them and campaigning against Jun. (Not just the Jee3, all of them, except to small extent Jack.)

To me, they all come accross as such hypocrites. What, Dana isn't allowed to breath?

I saw the same thing with Dave. Dave listened as the Jee3 offered him a deal to avoid nom-ing them for two weeks in return for staying. I've heard them (Jee3) say "that's why he left - he was campainging"

I saw the same thing with Michelle. She's too young, she'd too clueless. Blah, blah, blah...

I've seen similar stuff on Survivor, but to a lessor extent. I suspect because the worst of it was edited out.

Why can't they just vote someone out on these shows with out complete character assasination? Why don't people just say, "well, she's/he's just trying to stay in the game"???!!!???

They all just come off as soooo hypocritical.

Maris

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They want to justify in their own minds that it is good to kick this person out of the house. They want to dislike the person as much as possible before they evict them.

Kind of like the mother pig, pushing the runt of the litter away to die. Time for Dana to expire and they can go on till the next time.

Spunky

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For Dana is a lesson to be learned. She was too cocky when she was HOH, thinking she had made friends for life! Hellllllo???

But wait to see the treatment Ali will get...oh that'll be something... She'll run to Nate for consolation only to be rejected and be told: "I told you to watch out!"

Nate will be crossed so often that he'll just sleep his day through...

Justin and Robert will be happy just thinking of the resort house they'll go to..

Jun will eat non stop...

Jee will keep thinking of his girlfriend as consolation...

Erika will sleep his day through as well...

Jack will be thinking of his next funny thing to say on tv...


Oh this is a fun thread! :)

Katlady53

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Even though I don't like Dana, it is kind of ironic that the Stooges were all buddy-buddy with her last week...but this week they barely want to talk to her.

Sunshyne4u

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WHY?? the answer is very simple. HUMAN NATURE>!!

When someone has made a decision and feel sort of uncomfortable/unsure of their choice, they will try to vilify the person so they can convince themselves they have done the RIGHT thing. It is about giving yourself Peace of Mind.

Dana, unfortunately, has made her own bed!!

Costacat

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've not been watching the LFs, but in Dana's case, I'd think the reason is because she's asked for it. Karmic retribution and all that.

Although, also in the case of THIS current crop of BB houseguests, I don't think ANYONE is allowed "to play the game." Oh wait, except for Dana! <grin>

My opinion...

Nexell2

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good one Costa.

Kalekona

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't agree with that.. what was the reason for Jack to say that Jee3 didn't really try for HOH? The only one I can think of is to rub salt in the wound. I thought Jack was more of a man than that. Sghe can talk all she wants to she's not changing the outcome of the vote.
She knows she's going and everyone else knows she's going, that should be enough.
The are all vindictive, look at Ali and Nate-they weren't going to happy enough just having Dana on thje block they wanted her on PB&J as well, not for anything to do with the game but to make her miserable. Leaving the house and loseing 500,000 isn't punishment enough?

Maris

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wasnt surprised Kale. Jack hasnt shown much class in my opinion ever since he made that comment in the diary room. Any man that could say something like that, ewwwwwwwwwww. That is ok he just put a big fat target on his back.

Kalekona

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Glad i wasn't he only one offended by that comment. (or some of his others) But i didn't think he would be hurtful to someones face like that. And for no honest reason.

Costacat

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
First of all, didn't Dana herself say yesterday that she wants to go out in a 6-0 vote? So why is it "being mean" if Jack tells her she's going out in a 6-0 vote? Isn't that what she asked for?

And the campaigning in the house goes both ways. Because the voting contingent want to be sure that the others don't do a "mercy vote" (which could backfire if they don't communicate and actually end up voting out the wrong person).

Why would anyone be surprised at anything that comes out of these HGs mouths? And why would anyone be surprised at anything that Dana says or anyone says to her? Negativity breeds negativity.

Gina8642

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
IMO - the only thing Jack comment just accomplished was for Dana NOT to vote for him if he makes final two.

I agree with Jee that Jack did it to stir stuff up and create some distrust between the three and Jun. However, I think it backfired in his face if he just guaranteed a non-vote by Dana in a possible final two. Up to this point, I think the Jee3 and Dana liked Jack the most out of the other side. I agee with Dana that it was a cheap shot.

Cameltoes

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack has speculated about the HOH since it happened. The convo started with Jack telling her the truth - it was never going to be a tie (she had approached Erika about not wanting a tie and trying to get an idea of how she and Jack were voting) and the Jee3 was leading her to believe it might be. Right now, Justin is lying his butt off trying to cover up the fact that they decided days ago that Dana would not get their votes.

Tensai

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just curious...

I can't find any point in the LFP's where Jack said that HoH thing to Dana. Did this really happen, or is Dana just saying this to stir up trouble (as she was doing with Erika last night)

Regardless, I think the issue with Dana is all of her own doing. Just look at the things she was saying about Ali and Nate a week ago, and is still saying.

(nevermind on the above, I think I see when he said it from the previous post to mine).

Costacat

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Jack is gonna make it to the final two. And I find it interesting that Justin said Jack was using his "interrogation skills" on Dana and that they backfired.

Dana created a lot of distrust in the house, and now it's coming back at her threefold. A lot of her problems are her own doing. Why would anyone trust her? She was part of one alliance, and then she betrayed them.

Puzzled

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems to me that Jack let her know that J3 had turned against her, and if she believes him, then she may not automatically vote against an Original if one of them makes it to the end.

Kalekona

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
costa this has been debated to death but the Fact is they betrayed her first. The minute they lobbied for her eviction she no longer owed them any loyalty. So say whatever else you like about Dana but do not say she betrayed them because it isn't factual

Cameltoes

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I say Dana made the first turn against the OA. When she got that veto, she lobbied for Nate to put up Erika if she used it. She's been against the "Dark Side" from day one so I have no problem with the fact that they tried to get her evicted.

Costacat

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Kale, I disagree. She started hanging with the Jee3, but never even bothered to let the others know why. I think she decided she liked the "younger men" better than the others and, as the story goes, the rest is history. She could've been friendly with all and hung with the original alliance. The reason they lobbied for her eviction was because she caused them reason for distrust. And I don't blame them. She started feeding Jee3 info before they started lobbying for her exit.

This is my opinion. You, of course, are entitled to your own opinion. So please do NOT tell me what I can or cannot say. I don't tell you, and I expect the same courtesy in return. (And honestly, I don't understand why 99.9% of anything I say is something that you have to disagree with.)

Gina8642

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What did Justin say that was a lie? I listened to nearly the entire convo and didn't hear one inaccurate statement.

Lurknomore

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You guys raised a good sub-point. Ordinarily I would have been quite offended rather than amused at many of the names Jack has called people in the DR or what he said. I actually wondered to myself why I was enjoying them rather than being offended.

I decided it was because I see him as I would be in that house right now. Having to blend in with a bunch of young, immature, two-faced idiots who frustrate me every single waking moment and probably a few sleeping ones. I can't say a peep to their face, I can't let my expression betray me. Well it's got to come out somewhere, so where is my only refuge...the DR. Also remember we are only seeing the snippets the editing/production team want us to see. Unlike the live feeds we have NO clue what he said before or after he said certain things or what prompted him to make any of his comments.

I could clearly see him in there expressing his frustrations, after being asked something like "how hard has it been to blend in with this group," "do you have a lot in common with them," "do you feel you fit in," and similar chat for a long time. Then when he's venting ask something like "so, if you were with your FBI buddies what would you guys call Dana?" Not saying that would make it totally right, but I think it might be a lot more forgivable.

And I clearly thing that man deserves some reward for surviving in that house with only those people to talk to. Clearly his intellect and maturity are on a different stratosphere.

Maris

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But she obeyed Nathans request and did not use the veto. She said that she would follow the HOH's request. Interesting Nathan didnt return the favor. But its a game. She bought herself a few weeks by moving over to the exes. If she didnt she would have been out in week two.

Cameltoes

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Justin claimed that Erika said that Dana threatened her. Never happened. He said that Erika was the one saying that Dana was campaigning. Erika reported her conversation with Dana accurately. She even initially said that she didn't take what Dana was saying as campaigning. However, other people interpreted what Dana said differently. Both Nate and Jun thought Dana was campaigning using reverse psychology and Jun perpetuated that idea with the stooges.

Basically, Justin was leading her to believe that Jack's entire conversation was based on the fact that he believed that Erika was threatened and he was getting back at Dana for doing so.

Gina8642

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if we will see ANY of this on the TV. To explain what is going on, you'd have to explain where the votes lie. The show seems to care WAY more about creating a 'who goes tonight? question then showing the dynamics of the house.

Both for Michelle and David's evictions they (the editors) had to completely obscure what was going on in the game to create some suspense to the who goes tonight? question. If they do it again, they can't show this sub-plot.

P_Gunslinger

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Welcome to life in the Big Brother house, where people are so busy looking for the knife to be stuck in their back they don't see the head-on assault.
As for Dana, pay backs a *itch.