Archive through August 06, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Did Jack just throw HOH?:
Archive through August 06, 2003
Teddysmom | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 08:45 pm     C1mag, I agree, the competition seemed to favor Justin. I don't really think Jack is dumb enough to throw the competition on the first question. If he was going to throw it, I think he would have waited for the second or third question. JMO |
Cameltoes | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 08:46 pm     I don't know C1. I've pretty much expected the HOH's to be traded back and forth but my interest has been dampened ever since the house division happened. Last year we had stuff like Roddy negotiating safety with Gerry, Jason's pseudo alliance with the boys and then voting Eric out, Chiara putting Roddy up. More mystery. I don't think I will find this game to play out in as interesting a fashion as others but we'll see. The alliances need to be shaken up. Jun and Ali joked that if Nate and Jack left, it would ex vs. ex. Ali/Jun/Erika teaming up would be intriguing but Ali and Jun have standing deals already. I don't think there were enough questions to tell how fixed it was. They probably do want the HOH to flip flop between the alliances though. |
Tobor7 | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 08:53 pm     I don't think a fix was on. This is not good for the producers. It upsets the balance of power. The HOH comp was sort of lame. Just a best guessing game. No skill. |
Kellee | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:20 pm     Tobor...though...it depended on knowing people well enough to know what they would have put on their application stuff...Justin had a very intimate and close relationship with two of the five people on the spinner...he had the upper hand on that one... |
Hoosiergirl | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:27 pm     Wishful thinking about Ali getting put up if the POV is used. But, Justin promised her he wouldn't. Was he being sincere? Maybe we'll find out. |
Lovedana | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:28 pm     "If I was Erika I would be thinking real fast because she knows that either she or Jack are on the block this week and Jack did nothing to help the cause out." I have to disagree with you here, Maris. Except if Justin is playing without common sense (which isn't difficult to see, I guess), he would be making a mistake putting up Jack or Erika against Nathan. Jun doesn't care for the stooges. She has her own plans. Alison is also playing her own game. So Nathan would have Jun, Alison and Erika's (or Jack's) vote. Erika is likely to sacrifice Jack, since Jack doesn't seem very useful and everyone would be after Nathan if he misses HOH again. On the other hand, I wouldn't be sure of Jack if he isn't nominated. He may vote to keep Erika, since she seems persuasive. He may see her as easier to handle or use than Nathan. But if Nathan makes it, without any deals with Justin, Justin would be a dead man walking. And that's supposing Alison doesn't win HOH again or POV. Nathan's side will likely win the next HOH because Jee and Robert aren't very strong players. And if Jun wins HOH, she will split the 3 "stooges". |
Maris | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:29 pm     It was between Justin and Nathan and Nathan blew it. Just like last weeks HOH was between the two people on the block Ali and Jack. Nathan knew about the elephant and blew it, pure and simple. BB doesnt set up the winner but everyone at some point gets an advantage in a competition. In the luxury competion it was Erika and Alison. Jack is convinced that Erika will be put on the block and not him so that was his motivator he figured he was safe no matter what and he sacrificed his group. If Jack wasnt dumb enough to throw the competition on the first question, then it just means as he said he had a case of the dumbs. He is deadweight on any alliance and Erika is out of luck. |
Jhezzie | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:31 pm     Of course it's fixed. Isn't it remarkable how the biggest target magicly gets HOH? Every week? Without fail? What's funny is how blatant it is this year. |
Wendo | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:33 pm     I agree Maris. Jack is dead weight either way. Not a good enough player to win, or not helping when he should. So, if he goes, he goes. Actually, if he gets put up, I think he'll be surprised. But, I don't he expects to be evicted if he's up against Nate. (Which is likely, unless something changes over the course of the week.) |
Maris | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:37 pm     Well Ali is working on everyone about how Jack has it in for Justin. She told Nathan not to worry. So lets see what Ali does. |
Misslibra | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:38 pm     Maybe that is Jack strategy to act dumb so that he will seem not so much of a threat. I don't know but Jack or Erika needed this HOH. Erika and Nate at least made it to the end. |
Lovedana | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:40 pm     Again, if it's Jack vs. Nathan and nomination remains the same (i.e., power of veto isn't used), I'm afraid Jack is toast. Nathan has Erika, Alison and Jun's vote. Justin would be making a mistake if he does it that way, and if luck isn't on his side with POV to remove Jack and put maybe Alison. I mean, even with Erika against Nathan, Justin is taking a huge risk. I wouldn't feel sorry for him if he made such foolish decision. |
Maris | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:46 pm     Who should Justin nominate? |
Bmh | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:52 pm     Justin has confirmed with Jun,Jee,and Robert that Nate and Jack will go up on the block |
Wendo | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:54 pm     He also confirmed that, should Jack get POV'd off by Erika, he would put up Alison. But he really doesn't want to. Additionally, I think the Jee3 posse suspect Jack of "playing dumb". And, that doesn't bode well for him. |
Maris | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:58 pm     Yes Wendo, they were discussing how he threw the competition and they thought it was disgusting. They were not impressed by it. Then for good measure Jun threw in the lecherous old man comment. She said he is always touching her and then he came up behind her and said something about her thighs. Sounds like she is doing a Marcellas, just driving that nail in . |
Bastable | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:05 pm     Jhezzie wrote: "Isn't it remarkable how the biggest target magicly gets HOH? Every week? Without fail?" Well, to play devil's advocate, the biggest target also has the biggest incentive to win the HoH competition and stay alive. With some HGs, like Jack, throwing the competition (which increases the target's chances of winning even MORE), I think that fact counts for a whole lot. Besides, you can't say the POVs are very slanted--they almost always fail. If the scripting is so good, why would BB rig the HoHs but ignore the POVs? It just doesn't wash. I really think the reason the HoHs happen the way they do is because the biggest targets play the hardest. I don't doubt that BB slants certain contests in the hopes that certain HGs might win. But I don't think BB has it all wrapped up. |
What555456 | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:16 pm     Jack's out next week. No doubt in my mind. The only person he has any value to is Erica, and she will decide he is NOT the one to be tied with. She will do better being alone for a week or two, but playing nice with the other. He has no value to anyone else -- and has threatened Justin. No loss to anyone if he goes; a safer place for Justin and the stooges if he does. Nate and Jack will be put up. No one will use the veto. Jack will go. |
Lovedana | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:18 pm     I think he should nominate Alison and Nathan. This is the best vote. But if it failed, then consider Jun and Nathan. If he really wants to get rid of Nathan and he nominates Jun, then he should send Jun making pacts with Alison. Then Alison would sacrifice Nathan for the deals. That makes three votes against Nathan. |
Yoyo | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:37 pm     I thought Jack was a little too obvious tonight by blowing it on the first question. We all know that he and Erika go over all of this stuff all of the time. hell, I'm not in the house and knew all of the correct answers ~ lol! i think his stragegy is to lie low and look ineffectual. However, this may really backfire on him because he, Erika or Nate really needed that win tonight. I still think that they will get rid of Nate first because he is more of a threat. His fatal error was saving Ali because she'll turn against him in a flash. What I do want to see is where Dana is right now! Is she in an empty house screaming that she is pissed off because there's nothing to eat? Hahahaha! |
Zachsmom | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:45 pm     My understanding of the questions was what did they write on their questionaires BEFORE entering the house. Jack probably didn't figure that Dana wrote that about herself. I don't think he blew it on purpose...he wants Justin out too much. |
Maris | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:46 pm     Dana said in the house she had OCD about a million times. She said it every day. Jack knew the answer. |
Cameltoes | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:47 pm     Yes, but they all know that BB is not going to give some far out question that they could not have learned about the person based on what they said and did in the house. Dana called herself obssessive in the house - they all did. I just can't believe he wouldn't have guessed Dana. It's the most logical answer and the one that he had to know the rest of them would also guess. |
Lovedana | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:52 pm     Hey, but Alison acts obssessive too. She lost Justin since, but she doesn't want to admit it. She still wants to act like she still has him at the tip of her finger. So maybe it was possible that Alison thought of herself as obssessive. Don't shoot me. I'm only playing the devil's advocate. I would be critical of Jack and sure that he really did setup the others if he were much younger. He's an old man. I don't know how sharp his memory is. I don't care if he was an FBI agent, employee or whatever. He's an old man. |
Zachsmom | Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:56 pm     I still won't think he blew it until he says so himself. I think he didn't choose her because that would have been the obvious choice. They had the trick question about Ali, why could it not have been a trick question about Dana? Sometimes the obvious choice is right, sometimes it's not. Just my opinion and will change when Jack himself says that he blew the competition. |
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