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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Arrogance in the Houseguests: Archive through August 09, 2003

Bluejaxrock

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What was up with all that, "Justin will see you now, you have 5 minutes" crap? At first I thought it was a joke (maybe it was meant to be), but I immediately flashed to the Godfather, when, at his daughter's wedding, the Godfather grants requests, but only if he receives loyalty. (sorry for the run on sentence)

Twiggyish

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Didn't they have a Godfather segment last year with Roddy?

Gina8642

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Someone in an earlier post said Jack and Dave lied to Justin about an all guys alliance early on. I think everyone but Justin knew it was BS - but the fact is, Justin didn't. So, Justin feels lied to, right or wrong. I'm not sure, since I wasn't watching early on.

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bluejax --
That's what made it funny.
It was self parody for effect.
Jee's playing of his part was quite entertaining.
It made me laugh, and except for Jee I don't like any of the stooges.

Woodpecke®

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa voted her beau out, made friends with everyone while alienating no one, won the boat challenge with an extremely gutty performance, then voted out Jason. She was a great player. Much better than smart aleck Will or anyone else.

C1mag

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok now I don't think they have earned this at all. Thats why I say it's hilarious! They were handed all of this. Two weeks ago they were toast. They all slumped in the house and said, "I don't care. Get me out of here" Then Dana comes along hands them a bone. Robert was even saying to her, "put me up I wanna leave" They didn't even ask her to save them. She forced them to stay. Then when Ali gets hoh the same thing. Bottom jaws to the ground. Imediately Bashing nate saying they know one of them is going but they don't care. Imediate crying in the back room. Then out of nowhere Ali comes along and saves them all! None of them went to her saying, "please save us" just like Dana she hands them the game. Did they earn it? Hell no! It was handed to them. I've never seen anyone get this lucky and it's not one person it's three of them! Three dudes that have done no wheeling and dealing at all yet you'd think they have controled their own destiny from day one. It's a bust! Their arrogance is ok with me because they felt everyone betrayed them when Jee was hoh but even that was a bust watching. However, when just one of them goes watch the biggest cry session yet. Those that boast fall the hardest.

Lancecrossfire

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That is my point about them--things don't go their way and the want out and can't handle it. Yet the second things are going their way, they are saying how great they are and just about everything else possible to say about themselves.

Character is shown under adverity--and so far under adversity the J3 haven't shown much character at all.

C1mag

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina I think the lie he is talking about is when the whole house lied and said Erika was going. Justin kept telling Dana they wouldn't target her and the second she would walk away they said when michelle goes Dana is next. It's impossible to use "lying" as a reason to nominate someone. Just keep it simple. He nominated Jack cause he knows Jack has him as a target. No need to suggest one is any greater of a liar than yourself. Do I think Justin has played the game as a good guy? He hasn't played it at all thats the funny thing. He's stayed in the game cause some girls had other agendas. Wait til he's up on the block and lets see how he plays it.

C1mag

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 08:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lance .. EXACTLY! These guys haven't even really played the game at all. Everyone else has and everytime they are in a pickle they want to go home and they don't care anymore.

Costacat

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 09:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So that's why I don't like the Jee Three. Too much testosterone! Those "boys" need a woman to teach them how to act like real men!

The fact that they were "handed" this is irrelevant. Gloating is not attractive on anyone.

Bellinis for Wood! Costacat is in total agreement!

C1mag

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 09:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Wood as well. Lisa woke up after Eric was sent home.

Scandalousplaya

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 09:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
These 3 Stooges need to realize that they are not only dealing w/ inside game, but they need to be at least conscience about the fact they are being rude to the people who will decide the winner.

Lisa did play a great under the radar game, but she was no strategist. I know people keep saying that it was a great move for her not to vote Eric back, but she didn't have to vote against Eric. Gerry, Dani, Jason and Marcellas wasn't going to vote Eric back in for obvious reasons. Lisa made an error about the count. The vote would have been 4 to 3 in Amy's favor, because Chiara, Roddy were voting to bring back Eric.

I do believe Lisa even admitted that she made a mistake. Dani questioned her why didn't she give Eric the vote? Lisa admitted that she counted wrong, so Lisa was no strategist. She was very Lucky and I'm glad she won the $500k.

I do want a woman that doesn't play under the radar to win some kind of reality show, because I get tired of the female under the radar players winning. It set a precidence that you can't be a strong woman to win a reality show. I'm not saying Lisa is weak, but she represented what society wants women to be...sweet, sexy and submissive.

Hopefully, if Jun makes it or even I hate to say Ali makes to the finals they will win, because they were gameplayers. Selfish, but strategist and gameplayers.

Jpgramma

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Scadalousplayer, I like your nic. It makes me think of my favorite all time BB HG, Dani.

Zachsmom

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 09:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That all depends on who is up there with them. I don't think they would win if Jee,Justin or Robert is up with them. They (the men) would be considered "master players" and Jun or Ali would be called "<self moderated>" players. Ali would be accused of using her "feminine wiles" and Jun would be accused of "flying under the radar" No one will give them props for the changes they make in the game. They don't even acknowledge it NOW..they won't acknowledge it later.

I don't believe our society has evolved that a strong cut-throat woman is seen in a favorable light. I wish it were true, but we aren't there yet, especially on a Reality TV show.

Scandalousplaya

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 10:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
JP thank you for the kind words, but believe it or not Dani was not my favorite person. However that girl played that game full tilt boogie. She was a b*&^%, but she played hard from day one, not waiting for her boyfriend to finally leave. She played from day one.

C1, Lisa woke up when Dani told her about Chiara turning against her; not when her boyfriend left the house. It was Dani who encourage her to really start playing the game.

Zmom, it's really too bad. I love Will, but come on guys the guy was diabolical and he loved being so bad. Yet, everyone loves Will.

Spunky

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 11:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The only two who could break them up are Jun and Ali, now if these two would get their heads together they may chop Justin first and then Robert, bang, bang... then Jun will be ready to get rid of Jee as well... unfortunately Jun will not align with Ali since she wants Ali out before Jee...

Jhezzie

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 11:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the Stooges are still the Stooges. This isn't arrogance. They're in the tree fort, waiting for the super-secret knock. Now, if you want arrogance, look no further than Ali. Her head is so swelled, it might pop. She's been so busy knowing it all that she hasn't caught on that she has no way of winning.:)She's ticked off too many.

Wendo

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 11:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zachsmom, I think you make a very good point. Female strategists are viewed very differntly from male strategists. It's a perception seen in boardrooms and managment offices still to this day. (Though, I do think it's important.)

I do want to make clear a quick thing. I LOVE Big Brother. Just because I find some HG's more arrogant than others doesn't mean I'm going to stop watching. LOL!

However, when I see such blatant arrogance, it certainly turns me off as a fan of said HG.

Additionally, my comments didn't refer to tonight's show, it was about what was going on on the feeds. However, after seeing the show...they could apply! LOL!

C1mag, completely agree. The Jee3 boys are being handed the game. What I find interesting is how much Jack and Erika complain that Justin is still in there. Yet, neither one has stepped up to the plate to get rid of him; they want others to do the dirty work. So, I don't feel any sympathy for Jack; if he wants something done, he should do it himself.

Anyway, anyway, it's only half way. And during that time on the feeds the Jee3 boys basically were saying to themselves, We've got it LOCKED up! It'd be one thing if there were only one or two weeks left; but dang boys, there's still almost seven weeks to go. You just want to see them knocked of that huge pedastool they're lounging on. LOL!

Zachsmom

Friday, August 08, 2003 - 11:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo- In my line of work I have heard constantly that they are amazed that women are in the field...because women don't think logically.

Penpoint

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Justin, Robert, and Jee--to me--are not so much arrogant as they are insecure. They can't believe it when they're on top; they have to keep telling themselves they are. They are sort of amusing, but they are also somewhat pathetic.

Bbwannab

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 01:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have listened to the 3 stooges for most of the day on the live feeds. All day long, they have done nothing but walk around and talk about how dum and stupid the rest of the HG are, and how famous they are going to be when they get out of the BB house.
I think the only words they know is the *F* word,
they say that word about every other word.
It's really driving me crazy.

Robert and Justin are trying to talk Jee into asking his girlfriend to marry him, on Live tv, at the end of the show. They were making all kinds of plans and ect. the someone, I didn't catch who, I think Nate, but he said, you guys need to stop talking about it, cause now, BB will put it on tv next week, they will send a camera crew to her house to get her reaction to it, then what??
That would be the perfect revenge

Corriecat

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't like poposals done because someone is on tv. I always think of Joe making a big a$$ of himself on the Real World in the middle of graduation. I want to see a woman that gets proposed to on a reality show tell the guy no, but ask me again sometime in private when it means more than showing off on tv.

Maris

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It just shows once again how clueless Robert is about relationships. Proposing to someone is meaningless to him because he has so little respect for women. Jee is resisting because he does have sensitivity and does have an understanding of the moment. Justin may egg Jee on but you could bet that he wouldnt propose to the woman he loved on tv. Robert is just a <el> version of Mike Boogie, if you can imagine that.

Laisey

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Corrie, I figure that a man you would think it's a great idea to propose on TV would only be interested in a woman who also was looking for her 15 minutes. After all, that would give them a total of 30 minutes as a couple.

Laisey

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, I have no trouble imagining that at all. At least Mike Boogie didn't try to get someone else to act on his misguided ideas.

Twinkie

Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 10:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert makes me so sick I could puke. When he was talking last night on the live feeds about women he keeps around just for <hd> and the fact that he said very early in the game that he has cheated on every woman he has been with, well isn't that special. And he has a daughter!!! I wonder if his low opinion of women is actually a low opinion of himself. I think he is a total <hd> and I can't imagine what Erica ever saw in him. I can't wait til his daughter is dating.

BTW, when the J3 were talking so much crap about women, Justin and Jee were drunk. Robert has no excuse. That is his true nature.