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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Editing - What makes the 'Cut' (ARCHIVES: Archive through August 01, 2003

Hellokitty

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, I don't think the way people talk denotes sexuality, what they do in the bedroom does, plain and simple and it is no ones business.

But there is a speech pattern that is common in the gay community, stereotype or not, it exixts in a large number of gay men, if you have ever spent any time dishing with them over cheesecake like I have you would notice it.

...but again, like with everything, it is not an exact science. ;)

C1mag

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok again... When did they show the tv viewer that he had bashed homosexuals? We all know he did but we have also known that Ali thinks he's gay. Why didn't they first show him bashing? Again I thought the topic was about editing. They edited it all wrong if the goal was to nail him. I don't have sympathy for any of them cause I'm still asking how it will ruin him to even suggest it.

Crossfire

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"as usual those that see things one particular way here are unlikely to change"

Hey, that's you too. :)

It doesn't matter if we change, as long as we listen to the other side, allow the alternate ideas into our minds to get chewed on. For what it's worth though, I do get your point, but think in a smarmy program like this, it is to be expected.

Bastable

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just bristle at the idea that the suggestion of homosexuality should ruin anyone in this day and age. People mourning for his parents... this is 2003!

Jadar

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Besides Jun gaining weight, Ali's looking a little heftier lately too. Is it just me or are the HG's really looking uglier as the show progresses?

As for cruel editing, I think they've been too nice. It's about time for some truths...and reality.

I have been kinda sick of seeing Nate and Ali being portrayed as the golden couple out to right the wrong done to them. That is not what I saw on the internet. I'm glad they showed Alison and Nate's Bible sessions. Their bible readings always *pissed* me off. I think Nate's on the wrong show to be using the Bible in such a sanctimonious way. He's sullying it.
Instead of coming off as clean and wholesome (as was his intent?), he and Alison look like hypocritical jerks. As I watched tonight's show, I could almost see horns growing out of Alison and Nate's heads.

Lurknomore

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Since you asked I'll explain Maris...that is a white flag, what people raise when they GIVE UP trying to get those with closed mind to hear other viewpoints (amongst other things).

And Bastable so your line of thinking is that just cause someone signed up to be viewed 24/7 it would be ok if they did a segment where Nate said Ali had a sex change operation and was really a guy. That's what they did tonight...air one person's opinon/gossip and put it out there for America to hear.

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bastable - "To subscribe to that point of view, one has to believe in some way that an admission of homosexuality is damaging or negative"

Exactly.

Lurk - I did *not* miss the point. I will honor your white flag and I will not attempt to change your mind on any of this even though I know what I am talking about. I know you will not convince me otherwise, as well.

Bluerose

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now I see both points. It does take me awhile.Yes, Nate made jokes about gays early on in the show so if he is not gay but because of Ali's remarks, his home town think he is, it would be devine karma. However, I still don't think Ali has any right to question anyone's sexuality on national tv. I'm really thinking more of Nates' parents than Nate. Nate may have asked for this but they sure didn't. And C1- I know what you are saying. I was born and raised in SO. Cal and none of this is a big deal but in buttslap Oklahoma it sure is. It shouldn't be but it is. GOLLY.

Maris

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The only gay I knew that had a lisp was Truman Capote and he was a hopeless drunk too (I cant tell you how many times he crashed his car every summer near my house). So one could also say that a lot of gays are drunks too. (just kidding)

All kidding aside, I really dont see the big deal on this. Ali said "I think Nathan is gay", that is all she said. I hate to say it but I said the same thing at the beginning of this show. It was just an observation on my part.

It isnt a catastrophic event in ones life if someone says I think you are gay. Its fun to debate about it, but it really is pretty meaningless.

Lurknomore

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jadar I think they are looking uglier since we are getting to know them.

And while I'm posting, Bastable it's the probability that IT IS A LIE and he's not gay and he and his family will have to live with that. Take something you firmly believe in...I don't care what it is...but something you totally 100% believe in. Then picture BB doing a segment on YOU on national TV presenting you the complete opposite. Would you be ok with that and say, hey it's just a TV show??? I think not. Food for thought.

Amari

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone really think Nate will return to the Bible Belt anyway? Noooo, he'll be going to open calls, auditions, and hanging out at Belly's like all the other reality show wannabes.

Lurknomore

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We have no idea how meaningful or less this is to Nate and his family. It might be much ado about nothing...or it might be as serious as some of us perceive it to be. Again...remember Jenny Jones. Was that right?

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amari - Maybe he'll be hustling on Sunset Blvd in a year or so!

Thunder

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't believe I'm writing this, but wasn't Jun menstruating this week or last?

I know when I'm OTR, I balloon up to six-months-pregnant size. Am I the only one who thinks CBS exploited Jun's period?

During my off-weeks, the bikini fits OK and the curves are visible. Like Jun, I have a "real woman's body." But during the on-week, I poof, and I can't help it.

We all complain about how there are no "real people" represented on this show, that it's always Barbie dolls and beefcakes, but then they cast someone with >0% body fat and then make a spectacle out of that person.

Tonight's show just reaffirmed my decision to not let my preteen daughter watch BB.

Hellokitty

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Being on the show opens them all up to anything...just look around this board, we can say anything we want and speculate.

In a way when you sign the waiver any 'right' you have to cartain privacy's is taken away Bluerose, I mean, they are in a house being tapes 24/7...it would be nieve to think that they wouldn't be 'smeared' in some way or another.

If you want a chance at $500,000 have thick skin and realize that a lot of stuff will be said about you.

C1mag

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Blue it's true. I am lost on thinking any of it would tarnish his life. Someone said if you ever hung out in the gay community then you would see certain traits in gay men. I live in a gay mecca. I live in Laguna Beach. They have their own spred of beach here and I don't see any trait in them as well. Thats like saying all african americans dig watermelon and fried chicken hahahahaha

I guess if it's a problem in Oklahoma he could always move out of that area and go someplace else, but who knows.

I still keep saying... when did they show on tv his bashing of gays? Then it would all make sense to snag him on it. This way it didn't look like that. We internet viewers know he was smackin on gays but do the tv viewers know it?

Bastable

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
" Take something you firmly believe in...I don't care what it is...but something you totally 100% believe in. Then picture BB doing a segment on YOU on national TV presenting you the complete opposite."

Like Amy being a drunk? Like Krista being white trash? Like Gerry being a pervert? No better, no worse. Not only did Nate have fair warning from other seasons about the kinds of things that might be said about him, but as Maris pointed out, it's pretty meaningless. If anyone thinks that being portrayed as gay is some kind of life-destroying nightmare, I am not prepared to agree, because I don't think it is. Like I said, this is 2003.

Besides, we don't know if it's a lie at all, do we?

Zachsmom

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
" I live in a gay mecca. I live in Laguna Beach."

LOL C2nate! When I was in HS my cousin & I would ditch school (sorry mom) and go to Laguna Beach! We went there because that's where all the good looking men hung out..lol! Couldn't for the life of us figure out WHY we didn't get any attention!

Bluerose

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You are right C1- like I said. If he isn't gay it is devine karma. I just don't think his folks signed on for this.

Maris

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If CNN reported that I was the gay lover of Chastity Bono, it really wouldnt bother me that much or affect my life other than it probably would be the only way I get my fifteen minutes of fame.

If I was his mother, and if people asked me about it, I would just say ask him yourself. It isnt that big a deal.

I cant imagine that it is worse to call someone Gay on tv than it is to call someone buzzard crotch. Which is worse for a parent to hear said about their child?

I think there is way too much drama about this whole Nathan might be gay thing and a double standard about what is acceptable to say about women HGs versus Men HGs. So far there is no sympathy for Jun about the way her weight gain was portrayed because she is just a mean person, Dana deserves everything because she is Dana but Nathan, the vicious homophobe, oh the tragedy that is to befall him because someone said they think he is gay.

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think if Nate's family are homophobes, then they should also be put on the spot. I don't feel sorry for them being ashamed of their son getting pegged as gay. Why would I? Wouldn't that simply buy into the whole aspect of being gay as a shameful thing?

If Ali had told Justin that Nate had a black great great grandfather and it turned out that Nate's family were all KKK members, would anyone be worried about how ashamed the parents would feel? (whether it was true or not?) I don't think so.

The problem is that too many people still think of being gay as a shameful secret that must be kept in order to not humiliate the parents. That is just sad.

Tobor7

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I enjoy seeing the people work their strategy.
Not cheap shots from BB.
If Ali's comment was part of her strategy, they should have put it in context. Asked her some DR q's and GIVE it some context.
Jee's smoking will be a problem once he runs out... Jun's eating MAY play off the other HG's comments, but the tummy shot was just cruel. (Despite anything bad she ever said.)
Put the bible thing together with Ali's line and it is like a cruel hatchet job on ONE player.
I'm certainly no Nate fan, but cruel is as cruel does.
I'm just glad to see that others out there felt the bump in the force during those segments. (Or at least one of them.)
All very interesting comments.

Pirate

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is a show where people will say or do anything for the money. And who's watching this show? Those of us who know that people will say or do anything for the money. Wait, I forgot about the person channel surfing who just happened to stop on CBS at the exact moment Ali said Nate is gay.

I don't believe anything that Ali says. I think Justin is right on about her.

Katlady53

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"I just bristle at the idea that the suggestion of homosexuality should ruin anyone in this day and age. People mourning for his parents... this is 2003!"

Bastable, I hope you don't think *I* personally believe that an admission of homosexuality should ruin a person's reputation! Oy, nothing could be farther from the truth.

And I don't think anyone is "mourning" for Nate's parents. I think some of us are simply sympathizing with the uncomfortable position they might find themselves in. My parents are in their mid-70's and trust me...if someone alleged that my brother or I were gay on national television, there would be ambulances at their house. Lol

C1mag

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ZM hahahaha... It's so gay here you dream in the rainbow colors hahahahahahahahahahaha!