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Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
True Snee, although someone who makes homophobic comments and turns out to be gay would be a delicious subplot and in my mind less objectionable
I don't think Nate is gay BTW

Bearware

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think she thinks he's gay because under the covers that night she was trying to get him aroused, and it just didn't happen for him. There are quite a number of reasons that could be true, and gay doesn't have to be any part of them, but she's such a princess that she feels that all men should respond to her feminine wiles. mho-fwiw

Auntie

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i really think there are very few instances that can justify outing someone, whether you are doing so privately or on national teevee.

my husband was in the army for 20 years, and he now works for the dept of the army as a civilian.

over the years i have known more than a hundred or so gay men and women, some of them have chosen to marry each other in order to protect themselves and advance their careers, others have chosen to marry in order to enjoy the possiblities of parenthood.

i would never tell ANYONE, including my husband, who i adore, which of his friends and coworkers is gay.

he doesn't have a need to know, and i don't have a need to tell.

there are lots of reasons why some gay people stay in the closet. their reasons are their own, and nobody else's business.

Katlady53

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amen, Auntie!

I wonder if Ali will have any second thoughts or regrets over "outing" Nate on national television? If she has any conscience at all, she will apologize to him on national television.

Bluerose

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I don't know what to think. I really can't disagree with anyones comments about tonights' show. If Nate did make homophobic comments, why would Ali think he's gay? The whole show was horrible. The editing was tasteless. It left me quite confused about everybody.

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Auntie, you sound like a terrific person, and your attitude is so decent

I was closeted for years; if I had been so stupid as to go on BB4, then I would have deserved to be outed there. In this case, it goes with the territory.

To repeat myself, I doubt Nathan is gay

Snee

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sean, there is something about a homophobe getting an object lesson that is appealing, but i think the fact that the orientation is an issue at all is just plain sad.

Twiggyish

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Excellent point Grooch about Jun and the editing. I also think Ali forgot about the cameras and was letting Justin know her personal opinion.

Bastable

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bluerose, often the people making the most homophobic comments are doing so because they fear their own natures.

That said, Nate did say some pretty horrid things about gay people. There is a teeny bit of karma at play here.

And Grooch, you should head over to the "Cruel Editing" thread, where we're talking about that very thing!

Auntie

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree with you seanflynn, my gaydar does not go off for nathan at all.

i think he's one of those church-y guys with way too much sexual guilt, and also very discriminating.

he knows what he wants, he wants a virgin who will worship him, and he has said so on more than one occasion. that may not be the politically correct desire, but everyone floats their own boat with whatever oars they need to get them out to sea...

Grooch

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh good lord, Bastable. I promised my husband I would go to bed by 11 (est) tonight. lol!

Bastable

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Grooch, let's see what damage you can do in 14 minutes, then!

Wendo

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Do you think that the reason this is possibly a topic in the house (other than Ali bringing it up) is because of Julie Chen's question during the first food challenge. It was something like, Are there any openly out gay HG's? Instead of just saying gay, she said openly gay. Which, in a way, makes a "suggestion" that someone in the house is gay, but not out.

I don't know if I'm making it clear or not. I guess what I mean is, would this be an issue if it weren't for that original question?

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo that is exactly why this resonates so much

Maris

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is about Ali not getting the proper attention from Nathan, hence he must be gay.

Bluerose

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe Nate is a virgin. I have thought of this before. Maybe Ali is mad and thinks he's gay because he hasn't tried to make love to her and her feelings are hurt. Nate might not know how to do this just yet , I don't know, I'm just rambling, thinking of anything that would make Ali say these things on national tv.

Cangaroo

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Maris...that's been Ali's opinion all along.

Knightpatti

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And what is Ali? not a nice word, either!

Grooch

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
huh?

Katlady53

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pardon my poor short-term memory, but has Nate said anything about how much he misses sex like the other guys have been saying?

Grooch

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
huh? (#2)

Willsbills

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Nate just doesn't want her (Ali) and because she thinks she's so beautiful that it would all play out. Also, I think she's wanting to make sure that Justin doesn't think anything is going on so that he knows she's free. I think she still really likes Justin and would stab Nate in the heart if meant getting Justin the bone head back. I liked her before but after tonite I wish it were her and Dana on the block. Man, that would be SWEET!!!

Maris

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Willsbills, I disagree with one of your assessments - that she really likes Justin. There is only one person that she really likes and that is herself. She will use all the others and Nate just didnt jump high enough for her.

Willsbills

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that she loves herself but something tells me she's still got it for Justin. No wonder that didn't workout. they were in love it was just with themselves and actually I don't find either of them all that appealing.

R151996

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And the producers have to take a portion of the blame for the obviously loaded question using OPENLY gay HGs in the first food challenge. The word "openly" was totally inappropriate--the producers do not have the right to "out" anyone or to plant a seed of doubt if in fact no HGs are "in the closet". A blatant case of producers trying to sensationalize an issue.

What Ali did was wrong, but I do think there was an element of strategy to maintain ties with Justin. I still have to wonder whether Ali would have ever entertained the thought without the food challenge question.