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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Does One HG Deserve The Win Over Another?:
Archive through August 20, 2003
Texasdeb | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 04:34 pm     I was not a Dani fan in BB3 either but, she played a hard thought FULL game whereas Lisa played towards the end. I like Erika alot this yr but the same Lisa thing could be said about her. It's just dif. stratagies. Lay low & let several of the strong personalities get themselves booted seems to work no matter what angle you look at it. The X factor threw that off though - Jee3 couldn't lay low & just let themselves be picked off one after the other. |
Widowswalk | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 04:34 pm     What a can of worms to open. No1- I feel Robert deserves nothing for his horrible attitude towards women, but that's just me. No2- Ali earned her place by getting rid of the cocky little girl from Queens, even though her trearment of Nate was imo just terrible. No3- Justin and Jee do not deserve anything but a ham sandwitch. No4- Erika and Jack have conducted their game in a somewhat decent manner despite their occasional remarks, compared to the others they look like saints at this point.NO 4- Jun may be sneaky but she fed these twits for weeks and for the men to say "all she's done is cook" takes alot of guts. Jun has earned her place just for feeding these people. Finally, did Lisa deserve to win over Dani last year?-no, but then Dani certainly didn't deserve it either. Lisa did nothing but stay in bed and talk in an annoying baby voice half the time. Dani's behavior went way beyond the pale and sicked me. JMO |
Texasdeb | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 04:49 pm     I'm with ya Widow concerning Jun: I'm not rooting for her to win or lose. I think her contributions in the house far out weigh many of the others. However, she's my 3rd choice. I just wish she would drop the whole Jee anything. As long as she ties herself to him in any way, she has a target. Ja/Er don't want Jee near the final 4. I can't stand the thought of my least fav. HG winning (Ali). I guess at this point anyone else would do. |
Whit4you | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 04:55 pm     Well I'm with the seeming majority here - in that I believe whoever manages to WIN the majority of votes by the jury at the end - under all the various rules, changes, manipulations, luck and so on does desere the win - that doesn't mean I'd be happy they won though. This new "floaters" strategy though I personally don't like it, is just as fair play as say those 8 making a fast alliance to vote out those who happened to join the house 2nd (the x's) Being a floater is also no worse then flying under the radar really - letting everyone else do all the work and you winning by default because you are the least hated. There's only one goal in this game as I see it - to get the majority of final votes - the person who is able to do that deserves to win because they DID win. Period. Now if the question were who *I* personally would vote for should *I* be on the jury the answer would be different of course. But I'm not sure I should open that can of worms up in this thread hehe. |
Crossfire | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 04:55 pm     Amari: I tend to sorta-kinda agree with what you said. People perhaps should step back a bit and think for a couple of minutes before casting a vote, making sure to take everything into consideration, but at the same time, when playing the game, you also need to consider the me, me, me people you are playing with, and not give them too much to hold against you. I've always thought that Dani played the best inside game, but she lost it on the outside part. What to do, the inside bits won't help if everyone on the outside is honking mad. I'm not the worlds biggest Lisa fan either for that matter, but what she did worked in the end. Jason would have made for an interesting winner as well, but he is a bit tainted with the skirt riding label, my other fav got his butt kicked well before the end. Anyway, back on topic, who ever wins, wins. I suppose Jee is entitled to think in terms of deserving as he is in the game, and will face the decision at some point, but once it's done, the final vote will justify the end result. |
Csnog | Monday, August 18, 2003 - 04:55 pm     There was talk of a phone campaign by Roddy. Whether it is true or not I don't know, but Arnie did change the juror's HG's eviction this year. I hope we get to see the sequestered house this week. Then we will have a little more knowlege. |
Crazydog | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 07:12 am     I don't believe that Roddy called everyone to tell them to vote against Danielle. He didn't need to. Everyone went home and watched their tapes and got on the internet and realized how two-faced and backstabbing she was. The "Roddy campaigned" theory was put forward by fans of Danielle who were bitter that she got beat so badly. As far as "the diary room made her lose", no, the diary room did not make her lose. She made herself lose by what she said in the diary room. She was familiar enough with the show that she should have understood how it worked, and that people would be seeing these comments. Danielle has nobody to blame but herself. Also, Xarph, the fact that sequestered houseguests will talk to each other and opinions will change.... that's nothing new. That's how it's happened on Survivor for six seasons now. |
Needmylifeback | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:58 am     I think that Cuff and Link deserve the prize money this year...they haven't complained one iota this year about their other houseguests! They've had to listen to plotting and scheming without being able to voice an opinion and they've had to live in much worse conditions than any of the others! |
Kaili | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 11:00 am     I'd give my vote to Cuff. Cuff has been the most loyal- I saw Link the other day looking suspiciously like a floater! |
Funnyfarm | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 11:36 am     Very, very funny Kaili! A ten-pointer! I have to agree, he just sneaks around and listens in on everything!! |
Csnog | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 11:38 am     Wonder if BB has a bug planted on him. |
Sherri | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 02:15 pm     I'm with Whit - whoever gets the votes in the end deserves to win. I didn't want Lisa to win last year but she deserved to win because she got the votes in the end. To deserve is to be worthy of or merit, which are both things which are different to each individual. Just MHO |
Crazydog | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 02:44 pm     The other thing is I think Danielle thought she was doing a "Will" by being all confident and cocky in the DR. The problem was that she said nasty things in the DR and in private to other HGs but then she would turn around and be all sweet and nice to whoever she was bashing. Will never pretended to be nice to anyone. It was the fakeness that did in Danielle. So yes, Lisa deserved it, because Danielle played horribly with regard to some of the things she said. |
Scandalousplaya | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:45 pm     You can say what you want about Lisa and Dani, but lets just know that Lisa won and there's really nothing more to say about that. What I find interesting is that everyone including myself think Dani was two-faced, but weren't all the houseguest from BB3 two-faced. For us to sit here and blame only Dani for saying bad things about people really baffles my mind. Did not Amy call Chiara "?" Why would we think that was something we should take lightly? Did we ever ask how did Chiara feel when she knew that was her nickname? Regardless, what we may felt about Chiara, I'm sure that name was really hurtful. Amy also called Tonya a . Did not Gerry announce on TV that he was a racist with his POV speech? I do believe that is when Dani turned on Gerry. Wasn't Chiara two-faced when it came to Lisa? Wasn't Marcellas talking about everyone? Did he not wish for Gerry to die of a stroke? Also don't forget the song Amy and him made up about Tonya. Didn't Roddy admit that he used Chiara for his own benefit in the game? Also let us not forget how he made authors and title of books just to humiliate Gerry. He also encourages Gerry to do the ape impression. Browbeat and berated Amy and made her cry for a game decision she made, even there the decision could no longer be changed and it served no game purpose. Didn't Lisa smile in Chiara's face in order to further herself in the game, when she knew Chiara betrayed her? Lisa stated in the very first segment on BB3, that she really didn't see no one as a threat. You know what? She was right! Because she won the $500,000. Don't get me started on Josh. What I'm saying all of the houseguest on Big Brother 3 did something. Danielle was mean and cocky, but she played the game. She played a great strategic game, but a terrible outside game. I always wonder if she was a man would we see her different? I do know that Danielle is probably a nice person outside the house. You can tell she took a big piece of humble pie during the finale show, so lets stop blaming just her for things that all of the houseguest did also. We really don't know exactly about the Roddy phone campaign. We do know that everytime he was up for nominations, he did lead a campaign against someone in the house. So why not do one against Dani? Lisa won and that's it. She deserve the win, because it wasn't our decision but the houseguests decision. Big Brother is not a game about good or evil, it's a game of raw human nature and you can say what you want, but there are times when we as humans talk bad about people, but act nice in their face. We can say, "not me." Then I will end with this...did you ever have a boss that you couldn't stand? |
Cliotheleo | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:47 pm     If I'm remembering correctly, the thing that bothered me about Danielle was not her being two-faced, I don't have a problem with that in the context of the game. But the whole deal about Roddy being the devil (I mean just take one look at him and it's evident he's an angel from Heaven! ) and therefore implying that she was Miss. Perfection. Un-uh, you can't have it both ways. |
Widowswalk | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:56 pm     Clio, I agree with you about Dani but I can't co-sign Roddy being an angel. |
Cliotheleo | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:07 pm     That's ok. Zachsmom and I don't mind having him all to ourselves. |
Cliotheleo | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:12 pm     LOL! And maybe I should explain that ........ by "angel" I mean he LOOKED like an angel, not necessarily that he ACTED like one. |
Costacat | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:07 am     To answer the question, no, one houseguest does not "deserve" to win over another. Playing specific cards (such as "I need the money for my family" or "I need the money so I can go to school") should not have a factor in deciding who wins. Although opinions may vary, the person who wins should be chosen based on how he or she played the game, how he or she was perceived in the game, or how well he or she was liked by the other HGs. Saying one person "deserved" to win is, in my opinion, a slightly mindless thing to say. If that were the case, why even bother putting people in a house for 3 months? Just take 12 or 13 people, put 'em in a conference room, and have them decide who deserves the most to win. Oh, wait, yeah, there wouldn't be any advertising revenues for that! In my opinion, the person who wins is the person who deserved to win. I may not like who won (I didn't really like Will, but it was entertaining to see HOW he won), but that person won the game and there's nothing we can do about it. I, for one, get really tired when people say that he or she does not deserve to win. This game is played by people who may (or will) do anything to win. If the other HGs allow that person to do the things necessary to win, then kudos to the winner. All of the above are my opinions. You, of course, are entitled to your own. |
Sherri | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:28 am     Scandalous - how on earth do you figure that Gerry announced he was a racist? |
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:27 am     Gerry said he was a racist??? Huh?? As far as Amy and Marc, I didn't want them to win any more than Dani because of the things they said about other people. What many of those folks didn't get was that if you trash talk, you make it about the game and about people in context of the game. The biggest trashj talkers on pro sports know enough to draw the line to that point. And as far as what some of them did in the examples above, it was done face to face. That's a lot different than calling someone a child molester or saying that they hope someone dies behind their back. |
Scandalousplaya | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:27 am     Sherri, during his POV speech he indicated that he had deal with his own demons within himself. Also, he did refer to his nephews who are bi-racial. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:30 am     Yep, Scandalous is right. Don't you all remember his "let he who is without sin cast the first stone!" remark? He said that he felt he and the other HGs were ganging up on Marcellas because he was black (that is what got everyone so mad at him, they didn't agree that was what they were doing.) And he said that he had to Af-Am nephews and he should have known better. Josh felt he was exploiting his nephews. |
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:41 am     I don't know that saying you have your own demons means you are something. I think people can have the potential to become alcoholics, for example, yet still keep it under control and don't drink too much. And comparing someone admitting to a problem in front of everyone to what many of those folks did behind the backs of others is pathetic. And as Scandalous said, don't even get started on Josh. He was as bad as anyone with his antics. Well, if Gerry felt that others were ganging up on Marc because he was black, at worst Gerry was guilty of mis-reading things, and at best he had insights that were indeed correct and no one else was or could admit it. Oh no, that makes Gerry a very bad person--better lock him up. Back on Topic--the person who wins deserves it by definition. At least in the context of BB. |
Scandalousplaya | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:43 am     That's right Clio. We all knew that the hgs nominated Marcellas only because he had a bad attitude in the beginning of the game. He was quite abbrassive. Then all of sudden Gerry starts yelling sexual orientation and race discrimination. I do believe that is when Dani lost all respect for Gerry, because he was using that to benefit himself in the game. Gerry knew he would be the last man standing in the six alliance. |
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