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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: America's Choice: Archive through August 20, 2003

Xarph

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SLAP

Widowswalk

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 07:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you X

Ladytex

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 07:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I still don't think he should have won, and before I kiss anyone's hiney, they can kiss mine first.

Marie

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure his daughter would understand his reaction. Why her Dad didn't smile, laugh, or show happiness when he read her letter and saw her creations. I bet she would have giggled if he'd held up the butterflies to make them pretend-fly with a grin on his face. If he'd said "I'm thinking of YOU too!" That would have made HER happy. Instead he's crying to beat the band, reading the letter in a jagged voice, and covering his face a lot. Did he even crack a smile? He probably didn't come across as "happy" to a seven-year old. As a mom, I understand his reaction. But I don't think it's exactly what his daughter was hoping for.

Marymary

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 08:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It DOES seem that we have been had! (Could A.S. be a male chauvinist ?)

Cricket

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 08:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
YA THINK?

Spwisc

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack didn't seem that emotional about missing his kids. Robert needed the boost. The right person won America's Choice, even the hg's were routing for him! Has he ever mentioned going to A.A. on the outside?

Kalekona

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 11:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well everyone knows I like Robert and don't want to see Jee3 ended...But Robert was the right one to win AC, and no matter what you think of him that guy loves his daughter. (one reason why i think all his talk is just for show/to fit a character or cover a "weaker" side of him)
That being said, I didn't jump up and yell "show him the money" I think for any of the Jee3 to win or even make the final Robert must be the one to go. Justin has a better chance of controling his emotions and winning comp.
And while i'd like to think the HG would all think they could beat him in the end I doubt they'll take the chance.

Juiceman

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 02:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sad to see the Jee amigo's lose a member after tomorrow but it was inevitable one goes anyway. I really believe that at least one of the two 'floater' girls will be gone next time.. after that its very realistic Robert and Jee can make it to the final.
Rob impresses me more and more each day.. and I think this experience has begun to change him for the better.
I was very impressed with his reconciliation with Erika and thought it was extremely sincere on both sides.
Despite all his tough-talk, Robert is one of the most dedicated and loving fathers Ive ever seen and it really shows.

I will be sorry to see either Justin or Rob gone after tomorrow.

Philamom

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 02:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll withhold comment on Robert's abilities as a father. It's not something we can judge from a TV show. I have no doubts that Robert loves his daughter and thinks the world of her. But that alone does not make a good father.

Because, from a very personal perspective, I can tell you that alcoholics make poor fathers (or poor mothers, for that matter). Trust me on this one. I know Robert has been sober for about a year, but that isn't long enough to make up for the damage that years of alcoholism can inflict. Don't get me wrong -- I give Robert all the credit in the world for his sobriety -- it's a tough road. But Robert himself has said that he wasn't there for his daughter while he was drinking. So with only a year of sobriety under his belt, I think it's a little premature to hand him the father-of-the-year award.

Boberg

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 05:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Philamom you make a good point...yes Robert talks a good game about how much he loves his daughter, but does he walk the talk...does he give up his free time to do things his daughter enjoys, is he there for her 24/7, for the good things and the bad things she will experience in life...how many loving parents can walk away for 3 months willingly from their child to PLAY A GAME. Then what I hear him talk about when he gets out is going to Las Vegas..thats not something you do with your 7 year old! So we can not see from this show if Robert really walks the talk...seen alot of men who talk a good game but their actions say something else..just my humble opinion.

Maris

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 05:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Remember Dani walked away from her two children for a game. One daughter had to start High School without the support of her mother. I know how scary it is to change schools and to start high school and to do it without your mother? Lori left three children, Autumn left a child, Krista left a daughter, Sheryl left children, Tonya left children and Kent left children. Did they not walk the walk?

The difference between Robert and the other parents is that he didnt have full custody of his child, the other parents were full time parents 24/7 and left their children for a game.

I dont think anyone on a message board can have any idea of one players commitment as a parent or the nature of that persons relationship with their child. I personally cant stand Robert but I wouldnt go so far as to say his feelings for his child are not genuine. That is a bit of a stretch.

Sheilaree

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 05:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If he is such a good father, how come his daughter is living with his parents, and not him or the mother?

Maris

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 05:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe he said his daughter lives with her mother and he also said that her mother was an excellent parent. I have no personal knowledge of his abilities as a parent but I am not making the connection between my dislike of him to his feelings for his daughter.

If you have some personal knowledge about his abilities as a parent, I would love to hear it.

Sheilaree

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought I heard him say that his daughter was living with his parents.

Maris

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sheila, when he first came in the house he said that the daughter lived with the mother. She visits his parents on the weekend. I dont know if that changed over the course of the show. Regardless, it doesnt say anything about his parenting skills. He is a recovering alcoholic (a year and nine months alcohol free) and he has been separated from the mother for quite some time since he was divorced when he dated Erika. I would think he was not a good candidate for sole custody a few years back and he himself has said that he made many mistakes with his daughter when he was drinking.

I am just saying that there is a lot of judging going on about his emotions and relationships with people outside the house which nobody knows anything about.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good one Maris.

Philamom

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think most posters doubt Robert's love or concern for his daughter, Maris -- it's obvious that he adores her. My post was to simply point out that loving your child doesn't make a person a good parent -- even "bad" parents love their children. A couple of posters wrote that they thought Robert was a wonderful, dedicated father, and, like you, I don't know how anyone can judge Robert's parental abilities -- good or bad -- from a TV show.

Having said all that, I added a caveat in my post ... that alcoholics make poor parents -- I didn't say they don't love their kids, but the disease consumes them at the expense of their children. Just ask a child of an alcoholic. Robert wasn't there for his daughter during his alcoholism and made mistakes with her during his alcoholism (these are things that he has said). I believe Robert is trying to make amends for that, but it's a process, it takes time, and I think he has a way to go. This is not a judgment, but a combination of the facts, most supplied by Robert, and some personal knowledge of the behaviors of alcoholics.

Nutsy

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And then there's Robert's hair - how could a good parent possibly have a do (or don't) like that?

Philamom

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Nutsy ... thanks for lightening it up a bit. Your "name" suits you. :)

Marymary

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Funny...thanks for the chuckle Nutsy! I suppose this discussion will continue until BB is over. All we have to judge Robert on is his behavior and the editing of BB. Let's see, which do you reckon is more REAL?? I'm going to have to vote on his behavior being more real than the editing!

Lovelynessa

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am married to a recovering alcoholic and he is the best father in the world. Maybe we all shouldn't be so quick to damn someone for eternity based on past mistakes that they have acknowledged and are working hard to correct.

Nutsy

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Geez. And here I just gave my Dad his trophy mug emblazoned with "World's Greatest Dad" ... maybe I still have the receipt somewhere ...

Philamom

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lovely, I don't see where anyone damned Robert to eternity based on past mistakes. I certainly didn't do that in my post. And I'm truly happy for you and your children, that your husband is in recovery and that he is a wonderful father. Believe me, I've been there, done that, I know all too well what it's like. I don't mean to get personal, but my guess is that your husband wasn't quite so wonderful during his alcohol days, and that it took some time for him to become what he is today. I know first-hand that it's possible, that people do change, and I hope it happens for Robert. I just don't think he's quite there yet, based on what I've seen and read. I sincerely hope, especially for the sake of his daughter, that he makes it.

Marymary

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Then, Lovely, you have probably heard "Sometimes when you sober up a drunken ---, you just end up with a sober ---." (Put your own favorite word for Robert. For instance mysognist) NOT drinking does not mean that one will automatically become a paragon of virtue. And, gosh, most folks are upset with his PRESENT behavior.