Archive through August 04, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
The Bible in the House:
Archive through August 04, 2003
Sunshyne4u | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:08 pm     Interesting LINK Twiggyish! Those type of mistakes in translation is what has me worked up these days!! For instance: The exact Hebrew used in reference to animals throughout the Bible is "nephesh chayah," or "living soul. Yet animals have been treated horribly through history. Pope Pius IX of the 19th century forbade the formation of an SPCA in Rome, declaring humans had no duty to animals; Pope Pius XII of World War II stated that when animals are killed in slaughterhouses or laboratories, "...their cries should not arouse unreasonable compassion any more than do red-hot metals which make noise while undergoing the blows of the hammer;" Most Protestant churches are anti animal as well. I was very surprised at this and all because of some "mistranslations" from way back when. |
Moderator | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:24 pm     Cajun, thank you for your comments, but please do not take it upon yourself to determine what is "bashing" as determined by TVCH rules. As far as we can tell, folks here have only been offering their opinions, not bashing. Sometimes opinions are negative, and those are allowed. If you have any questions about what bashing truly is, please refer to the rules of the board, found here: ../2710/506.html?965888870 Thank you! (MK) |
Lurknomore | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 07:52 pm     WTG Mod! Trust me I've been bashed and this is NO bashing lolol. All kidding aside I didn't see anyone, myself included in any way, shape or form put down the bible or anyone's religious choices. Rather we presented some personal opinions respectfully. I can't see how anyone would reasonably be offended by this, any more than my saying I like purple more than blue personally and here's why. I put out MY opinion. I didn't tell anyone theirs was wrong, nor would I ever do that. If someone holds something sacred then they should realize that is THEIR choice, and I respect it. But that does't mean I can't have another viewpoint, and perhaps one that is equally sacred to me. And I would hope we are adults enough to share and exchange in what was a very interesting and intelligent discussion without being told we had best not say something for fear of offending someone. Personally these are the kind of interesting talks I wish there was more of in the house...and thank goodness we can have some hear before we all lapse into coma's from the feeds |
Puzzled | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:33 pm     I've really enjoyed this thread. There was a lot of interesting information, and I don't see that anyone was bashed. There was a variety of opinions and it was very interesting. This is how we learn from each other. |
Lurknomore | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:19 pm     So true Puzzled. I learned an interesting lesson during a very sad time in my life. Being raised Jewish, when someone died, and on the anniversary of their death, you bought a candle, lit it, said a prayer and made a donation. When my boyfriend, who was Catholic died, I wanted to follow his traditions as a sign of respect for him. So after consulting friends I finally found a church that still had candles, went and made a donation, and said a prayer. BOY those differences in tradition were just mindboggling. Seriously, I learned a very interesting lesson. Where I thought most all facets of these religions were different, what I discovered was here this part was virtually identical. And when I later did some reading and studying on comparing religions, beliefs, traditions etc I was blown away by the vast similarities, yet it seems all folks ever hear are the differences. So the point I'm getting at is that I too love conversations like this cause you get to expand horizons, hear different viewpoints, and sometimes see how similar it all is. And even if you don't believe parts of others faiths, at least you can understand it better. Ok, jumping off soapbox now Ok it's late my back hurts I'll just get down nice and slow. |
Willsbills | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:26 pm     Thank you for holding to what WE believe Cajun. The Bible is 100% the word of God IMHO. |
Lurknomore | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:28 pm     OH Cajun forgot to add one thing in response to something you said earlier: "I am just trying to nudge the discussion back to the original topic." If I've learned nothing here it's that when you start a thread, no matter how clear cut the subject may seem, it will somehow end up twisting and turning like Lombard Street in San Francisco. Guaranteed...every time. I used to get riled up about it, then I figued I had best mellow out about it cause either way it was gonna happen  |
Bluerose | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:42 pm     I just want to know why everyone can't believe what they want and not bother others with their personal beliefs? I find it very interesting there are some people under the mistaken impression that they have some duty to enlighten everyone else. I have very strong beliefs but manage to keep them to myself and respect other peoples cultures. I don't think my beliefs are more important to me than -say a Buddist's beliefs would be to them.ect. |
Cajunrambler | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:44 pm     Sorry folks for my knee-jerk reaction and I do apologize. I don't mind discussions and learning about other religious beliefs, however the trend in society is normally to attack the fundamental bible believing Christian. However many of those Christians are very compassionate and loving towards others, desiring to live a true Christlike life. It only takes one bad apple to give those of us who really love the Lord a bad name. To me, if someone is as committed, steadfast, unmoveable, unshakeable to his beliefs, they are just as committed in his relationships as well as on the job. I don't change my beliefs just because it is unpopular with society. Jason of BB3 always stayed true to his beliefs and he definitely made a difference in the house. I doubt if you ever heard him curse or compromise his convictions. |
Bluerose | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:52 pm     Yes, but why is it our business to know how someone else believes? I think a person that makes a point of telling people their beliefs is either arrogant or has a hidden agenda. |
Willsbills | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:00 pm     It's Bibical. It is part of the teachings Christians are supposed to follow. The Bible to a true follower is not pick and choose. BTW, did Jee have a hidden agenda when broadcasting his beliefs all over the world. There was tons and tons of respect over how touching and moving his ceremony was and it was belief based. |
Cajunrambler | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:02 pm     Bluerose, It is called "evangelism." It was one of the last commands Jesus gave his disciples before he ascended into heaven in the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19-20). If we are to be true to Christ and our faith, we must be obedient and keep his commandments. |
Spygirl | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:02 pm     I think it is possible that people who talk about their beliefs are just happy and wanting to share Every time I find a bargain on clothes or a had a great experience with something, I make it a point to tell others about it. No one seems to object then - and I'm not forcing them to run down to the store and buy what I found. I just wanted 'em to know <shrug>. Seems to be the same concept here. |
Cajunrambler | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:11 pm     Good analogy Spygirl. If your blind neighbor is heading into the road and a car is approaching, would you warn him to stop so that he would not get killed, or would you mind your own business and stand idly by and watch him get killed? You had the opportunity to save someones life but choose to respect his privacy and didn't get involved. We have that opportunity to share a loving gospel with society as commanded by the Lord, why should we be disobedient and keep our mouths shut. |
Bluerose | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:17 pm     I believe Jesus was talking to his diciples period. He wanted them to start the churhes spoken of in the New Testement. I find it highly offensive and more than ignorant to push your beliefs on other people. It's disgusting. |
Willsbills | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:21 pm     I agree BlueRose so stop. |
Cajunrambler | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:24 pm     If this command wasn't continual, the church would have died off in the first century. The command was given to all of his disciples. |
Maris | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:25 pm     This is going to end up the way of the Erika and the racist comments ---- News and Views folks. lol. |
Cajunrambler | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:27 pm     I agree Maris |
Wendo | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:29 pm     Er...uh...um...religous discussions...er...uh...um... No offense, Cajunrambler, but to equate someone being killed in a car accident to saving someone based on your religous beliefs...is, well, I dunno...just something I find uncomfortable. Perhaps another analogy would suffice? |
Willsbills | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:31 pm     I take the word to be 100% true. I will go back to the Jee analogy. No one was offended by that. I did not feel he was arrogant or had an agenda. So, please explain how displaying your beliefs in a internationally televised ceremony is different than posting a view here. For us to honor God by evangelizing is just as important to us. |
Lurknomore | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:37 pm     I think the difference here is the MAJORITY of us were not preaching, we were sharing different backgrounds, beliefs, viewpoints and THAT is what many of us found interesting. I think if any has no interest in the topic they should just not read it. On the other hand if some folks feel they are "saving" others or trying to get them to change their beliefs I feel that is nothing but disrespectful. And btw Cajun, we all are going to end up in the same place...that is MY belief, so to ME the only saving that need be done is of this seasons Big Brother. |
Cajunrambler | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:42 pm     That may be a lost cause Lurk, maybe a returning houseguest to stir up the pot like Amy did. I say let's get Amy back! |
Willsbills | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:42 pm     Lurk, Thanks for your answer and yes this season does need to be saved. |
Lurknomore | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:45 pm     Ok let me take a whack at what Will posted while I was writing my other post. I fully believe you should honor God as YOU see fit. However, in a public forum whose topic is not whatever YOUR specific religion is, I think you have to be open to the fact that there is a diverse group, with diverse backgrounds and beliefs, most of whom belive that either their way is right, or their way is right FOR THEM. I think all religions have fascinating truths and philosophies in them. I think if people looked into other religions they might grasp how amazingly similar they are. A rose is a rose. Now if anyone here WANTED to hear why I believe in Spiritualism, why I believe we can communicate with the dead, and why spiritual healing works I would be glad to share what I have learned and explain MY beliefs. However I would recognize it is not my right to try to convert anyone, nor would I personally ever behave that way based on my own feelings of what is right or wrong. And I 100% respect people are on different paths, sort of like taking different highways to the same destination. So I don't think anyone is saying that displaying or sharing beliefs is wrong...just that trying to say one way is right and others wrong is what is objectionable. It certainly is to me. |
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