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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Editing - What makes the 'Cut' (ARCHIVES: Archive through August 01, 2003

Bracken

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Agreed Xarph, but she has said so many two faced and nasty things that show her true colors, I thought they might not use that particular comment.

As far as the editing goes, whoever said least common denominator is so right. I'm just really disappointed in the season for so many reasons and tonight's show just brought that home to me. Very few of these people were portrayed in a good light. The editors have left very few houseguests unscathed and there are very few people to root for to win this competition. This has pretty much disintegrated into a show where they are concentrating on negative traits only.

I wasn't crazy about BB1 because of the love everyone situation, but in hindsight, BB4 could use a little compassion and kindness right about now.

Aus10

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Doesn't that include just about all of them snee?

Sbeachy

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I missed the Justin/Ally convo on the feed's, but read the LFP's. Did she not ask him to keep his mouth shut before the gay convo? And didn't Justin run out and tell Dana/therefore everyone, that Alli thinks Nate is gay? Why the heck didn't they show Justin flapping his trapp!! That is what made me so mad! He told her he wouldn't say anything about anything-then proceeds to do just that. What did he think that, just because it wasn't game talk he could tell everyone? I guess what is really making me angry is that they didn't show Justin telling anything, so therefore doesn't he look like a sweatheart to the tv audience.(sarcastically said)I need to go take a deep breath now.

Aus10

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
compassion and kindess might be asking a bit much from these houseguests Bracken.......I'd even settle for a little civility. :)

Trinity63

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My thoughts about why they are airing all the dirty laundry so to speak is simple -- dirt equals ratings. Would America rather watch boring house guests for controversy. I am thinking that a little spice goes a long way for ratings. So yes, poking fun at Jun and her obession with food makes America sit up and take notice. The crack about Nates sexuality is another tid bit that's going to make tongues wag. Erica's remark about Jee and his race was another bit of controversy that caused a lot of conflict. So I look at these shows like a soap opera. People stop watching day time television if its boring and not full of drama:) And this is all about drama:)

Twiggyish

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for compliment Aus

Snee

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sbeachy, one thing with this kind of editing is that it is not equitable. they may Never show justin doing anything bad. remember krista?

Theo

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They did show Justine saying "No way. Then I not hanging out with him anymore." So he come off like a hater.

Aus10

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL @ Twig! Your welcome...:)

Snee

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 07:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ah, thanks theo. i didn't read that part (haven't seen the show yet, just reading...)

Theo

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Welcome Snee ; )

Aus10

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If dirt=ratings all the time....I'm beginning to wonder about the general public. I'll be the first to admit that alot of the "goody twoshoes" programming that's been on TV the last twenty years has been boring. I'm still can't stand to even hear the theme to "Little House on the Prairie." But the dirt/shock TV is getting a little old now too. How bout we make the next BB cast full of intelligent folks, regardless of age/size/gender/sexual preference/nationality. Personally, I'd find it refreshingly different....

Lancecrossfire

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lst BB, they looked at the weight loss by Gerry--which is a positive thing. In the process of doing that, they showed him in some very "unique" looks.

I wonder if this year they are showing us what's available--most of it being negative. They showed Dave acting like a clown and having fun--that was something postive. Last night they showed a fair amount of weight lifting. I'm wondering if this group is giving them either fairly negative things or nothing much at all?

It does sound like they went a bit too far though--which is unfortunate--and even more unfortunate that it gets more people to watch it and increase the ratings.

Snee

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
aww, i LOVED 'little house'! (of course i was half-pint's age, hehe)

well, i've been on vacation for a bit and have had the 'pleasure' to check out some daytime t.v. some is okay, but i clicked onto the jerry springer show the other day. i was horrified, absolutely horrified. i had heard about this show before, but actually seeing what was going on was something else. it was bad enough seeing that the show shocked someone with a personal relevation from her twin sister, but the audience response was repulsive. i watched for a little while because i could hardly believe what i was seeing and hearing. the segment was gross and the audience was even grosser. EWWW! and these springer shows are reruns, aren't they? that there's a big enough audience for it is depressing.

i agree with aus that bb doesn't have to go the dirt/shock route to be interesting.

Nathalia

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I felt awful for Jun tonight...it was just cruel what they did. Ok..show her stuffing her face..show her not being able to fit in her pants..but the close up of her in the bikini..that was just not right. Especially because I believe Ali has been packing on the pounds too. Have you seen her arms lately? Or what about Dana telling Justin he had a "bubble butt" and then him asking around if others thought he did. Jun knows she is eating all the time..Jee points it out to her! I'm sure she will laugh about it all..but what about showing Robert talking about his coke problem and then showing him pick his nose constantly. Oh and the way Ali has been around Robert lately..watch for them in bed together next..lol

Laluna

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't like Jun because she seems so full of herself. However, tonight I actually felt sorry for her. I know she signed up for this but I think the close up of her in the bikini was in poor taste.

Katlady53

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Laluna, I don't really care for Jun either, but I DID feel more than a small pang of sympathy for her tonight!

Tobor7

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm on the phone with the editor right now!
She is calling (yes! a SHE) from her house, so it is safe to talk and BB can't hear.

She is one of the "A" editors and has the weekend off.

She doesn't have a working computer at home, but wants me to say to you all that she was nothing more than a "pin boy" for the producer and had to do what he wanted as far as story lines were concerned. She does not have a cruel bone in her body and is sorry if anyone is upset with her.

"Not cruel editing-- but cruel producing." She just spit out.

She says the producer is a divorced 350-pound gay atheist who feels "fully qualified and enabled to edit the show the way he sees fit..." and "...that the American TV viewing public knows it is only a game and all in good fun. Nothing personal." (sic)

So there it is.

She is now ready to get off the phone, eat her Burger King happy meal and watch the WSOP on ESPN.

I bid her goodnight from all here at TVCH, and she assures me that she will do all she can to keep the cruelty to a mere 10 minutes a show if she can.

Katlady53

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"She says the producer is a divorced 350-pound gay atheist who feels "fully qualified and enabled to edit the show the way he sees fit..." and "...that the American TV viewing public knows it is only a game and all in good fun."

Is this for real, Tabor?

Bastable

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah... and the Burger King makes me suspicious! I noticed the sponsorship switched to McDonald's on Wednesday! LOL

Laluna

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Katlady, me too. I am one who has had to struggle with keeping weight off all my life. So, I can certainly empathize with her on this point.

Lurknomore

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought it was classless, even moreso than usual, most especially for Nathan. I expected there to be some follow-up/rebuttal at the end, like an interview with a drop dead gorgous girlfriend laughing about it.

What BB did was put the seeds of doubt about Nate's sexuality into America's mind and that is just wrong. I still feel Ali ONLY said that because he has expressed less than no interest in her and in wittle brain that equates to being gay. But what did Nate do to warrent a rumor being spread about him? That was just plain wrong. Of course does Arnie really care if he ruins someone's life or reputation as long as it helps his falling ratings and popularity?

As for Jun, much as I don't like how she has handled herself (or the fact that she didn't bring a one piece in the house) they didn't choose to show how nasty she has been but rather went for the buldge factor. More meanspiritedness. And I think that's the kind of thing that will really hurt to see and hear about from other people, and can really affect her after the show.

The Bible stuff I didn't mind so much cause no one was directly hurt...a person could make up their own mind about who was blowing smoke...though the blank look on Ali's face when Nate asked her about tithing was PRICELESS.

Mostly I think they sunk to new lows with the piece on Nate, and I'm betting we see a follow up with his family or someone denying it after CBS gets a letter from a lawyer, though we'll never hear the details.

Gina8642

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Xarph that Allie's comments speaks poorly about her. However, plenty of viewers will blow right past that and start speculating about Nate. He has said he wants to go into politics, and he sounds like a republican. It won't help him any to have folks speculating. Although, I guess he signed up for the show.

If they wanted to show Allie in a bad light, they should have showed her making out with David, but they gave her a free pass on that one. I guess it doesn't fit with their (BB's) storylines. It was pretty unnecessary to bring Nathan into Allie's gossip issues.

BTW - I thought Justin was reacting the only way he knew how - with humor. I did not get any impression that he was being hateful. All his expression said to me was - why the he$$ is she saying this to me on national TV?? How do I get out of it?? Personally, I've had people joke to me before that they thought someone was gay - what is the proper response that won't pi$$ someone off if overheard??

As far as Jun goes. I was worried that they would do a cruel montage pre-show based on speculation here. BTW - I'm also someone who has battled my weight. I know that once you start eating again, it can be nearly impossible to stop. (For those that haven't battled your weight - you just don't have a clue how hard it is to keep weight off!!) However, I didn't feel bad after I saw the show. It just showed that she's gained weight. She knows it. It (suprisingly) didn't seem that cruel, more factual - here's something that happens to a person when cooped up. I hope she can get it back under control. Too bad they don't have an eliptical trainer this year. Again, she signed up for the show, she knew that there'd be food and nothing to do.

I thought airing Jack's attack on Dana's personal appearance and sexality was WAY more cruel than anything I saw this week.

Hamsterlady

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Tobor7 but I have some problems with your last post....

First, an editor of a major reality TV show doesn't have a working computer at her home?

Second, this 'A' editor would tell someone all of this and allow it to be posted on a public site.

Third, she's calling the producer (a boss) "a divorced 350-pound gay atheist who feels "fully qualified and enabled to edit the show the way he sees fit..."

Fourth, she's eating a Burger King happy meal.

If only you could see me, I'm literally laughing my a*s off. :)

Good one Tobor7.

Sunni

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 08:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought the editing was a bit much. I get it, she is an emotional eater, what else is there to do? I'm wondering why Erika and Nate are not holding "classes". That has always been a way to stay in the house.
I think Erika should offer to teach Jun Pilates so she can stop feeling the need to eat b/c of stress.
Despite some of her comments Jun seems to be the one I favor besides Jack to make it to the final 3.