Archive through August 03, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Nate hate must stop.:
Archive through August 03, 2003
Gidget | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 02:43 pm     Oh my, Carteret does not have a Walmart. But I hear we may get one in Woodbridge. |
Miggles | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 03:03 pm     BBfanatic, what I am getting at is how Nate's watching of Fox News really clinches the deal. Watching a right wing biased news station in no way challenges his already narrow minded views and fails to expose him to other perspectives. Also, multiple studies have refuted the so-called liberal bias in the media, CNN included. I'm wondering what will happen when Alison's rumor about Nate gets back to Nate's family. He can never live down this rumor; it will keep resurfacing no matter how many times he disproves/disclaims it. Maybe being on the receiving end of this (even though totally undeserved), he will appreciate the challenges that face gay youth. |
Proudtobeanokie | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 03:40 pm     JMM--I'm craving(I'm 7mths pg) a Braum's bacon cheeseburger w/ only sauce with a shake(haven't decided which kind)and that's probably the first place we hit since we get in town at lunch time lol! I've found it distressing that CT and GA don't have a store similar to Braum's where I can get a good burger, a REAL ice cream shake, and a gallon of milk all in 1 place lol. At least, the small towns the Navy chooses to put submarine bases don't. |
Earthmother | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 04:33 pm     No one "hates" anyone on this show, since we don't even know them...I just hate it when people use the word hate..lol |
Cricket | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 04:45 pm     "Sarcasm is lost on some. The use of bronze, in my post, was intentional; but I will admit I have no talent for clarity." ROFL, Imz. Sorry, now that you 'clarified' it, I get it. I agree with all those defending Oklahoma. When the Okies came to CA during WWII to the Kaiser Shipyards in Richmond, CA, they were treated pretty badly at first. My sister-in-law was from Oklahoma and she called herself a CRO (CA Refined Okie) lol. She has more class in her little finger than many people. There are many, many people from Oklahoma in the San Franciso Bay Area. I think it was the accent some of them had is why they were teased. When that horrible OKC bombing took place, I was so very impressed with everyone in that city; with their dignity and pulling together. They are articulate, intelligent people and good representatives of America. |
Earthmother | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 05:02 pm     Every city, state, region, township, and village has an idiot..we hit pay dirt this year on bb...lol |
Angelbleu | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 05:17 pm     Thank you for sticking up for the Okies....my husband was born there and he is a wonderful man. I once heard him say (and believe me he means it) a sucessful day for him was a day he got to help someone. I am a New Englander and he taught me how to interact with people because I was a bit standoffish. Where ever he goes he brings people together... |
Bluerose | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 05:44 pm     Golly! The Walmart stays open passed nine? I'm impressed. Just kidding. |
Whit4you | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 06:13 pm     My in-laws were raised in the deep south, by parents raised in the deep south. When I met them in 1980 they were 'racist' - they really were. They would not invite black people into their house, and said they would disown a child of theirs if they married a black person. That was in 1980. They have since over the past 20 years changed their views. To label Nate a racists, and he may well be one, may not be fair. What he may be is someone uneducated and raised a certain way. We are the product of our upbringing and till a certain age we tend to believe in the beliefs of our parents, and their parents. I 100% disagree with what Nate says of course, but please remember most of OUR grandparents (if not our parents in some cases) felt similiarly. It wasn't that many years ago they had sepearate drinking fountains in the deep south for 'coloreds' - my X husband was raised by my in-laws and when I met him he had some residual racial tendencies... deep down I think he is still slightly racist (and he would not disagree with my take on this....) but it's not because my X husband is a 'bad person' - it's because he was raised from 6 months old to believe a certain way and all the educuation and enlightenment in the world can't completely wipe that out. Rather than hate Nathan for the fact he was born into a certain family and environment - hope he learns and is enlightened as well. Luckily it's getting 'bred' out of the population. For example my in-laws had 7 kids, and all were raised beleiving that way but only a couple had some racist tendencies and those couple have overcome them through enlightenment by their siblings etc. (so all 20+ of their chlidren are being raised totally non rasist.. there is an end in site to all of this, with just rare exceptions left) Now I'm absoultely NOT saying what Nate thinks is right, or that it's cool that he appears to be a racist, homophobe. I'm just saying be greatful for how far we have come that today he's the exception not the rule. And he's pretty much the last generation that was raised that way. My in-laws were as racist as they come and all 7 of their kids are razing their children to not be racists. I don't hate Nate, I wouldn't have him as a friend if he were to remain close minded on these things... but I don't hate him - I could have been the one born in his family instead and been just as clueless as he is. I see from him what I saw from my in-laws, in-bred ignornance - not personal hate (as I see from many blacks and whites - those with the true problem) |
Lurknomore | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 06:26 pm     Earthmother said "No one "hates" anyone on this show, since we don't even know them...I just hate it when people use the word hate..lol " I would agree that I don't hate any of these people, and that hate is a very strong word. But I do hate many of their actions and I strongly dislike many of their personalities. I am most of all annoyed by basically all of them except Jack, and even he annoys me by showing little personality except in the DR. |
Bastable | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 06:30 pm     Whit, I agree with your portrayal of Nate. And I have the same history in my own family. My grandfather was a die-hard Good Old Boy from Georgia who even voted for Lester Maddox. Up until I was about 15, he used the n-word and nothing else when he referred to black people. But I'm not like that. I could have been, but I learned about the world and decided his so-called Christian outlook was in fact hateful and unholy. Yes, it's getting bred out of our society (not fast enough, if you ask me, and sometimes I think the old guard has all the control), but ultimately, ignorance is one's own responsibility. Nate is ignorant. I don't have respect for that. I don't hate him, either, but I can't let him off the hook for refusing to learn what the world is really about. He is a grown man now, he is nearly a quarter of a century old, and he has had as many opportunities to learn and grow as he he's had days on this earth. So although there may be a reason for his ignorance, there is certainly no justification. There comes a point where if you're ignorant, you have only youself to blame. You reach point that with time. The world is big and wide and it's zipping by, all around us, every day. When someone chooses to stay ignorant about it, ultimately it stops being the fault of upbringing or class or geography and starts being the fault of inertia, laziness, and self-obsession. I don't think Nate has ever had a day of adversity in his life. I think people have always fallen at his feet. I think he's gone through nearly every relationship unchallenged. None of that is, perhaps, his fault. But if he hasn't picked up a book, traveled to a new place, learned basic geography, understood difference...well, that is his fault. At least, it's certainly no one else's. |
Cangaroo | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 06:32 pm     Oh, I don't think Nate must stop. If he stopped, then I would have to go to the complaint thread to complain because there would be one less person saying and doing ridiculously moronic and ignorant things. He gives us fodder. |
Cangaroo | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 06:36 pm     Besides, he reminds me so much of of people I grew up with...until they left and experienced the big world. Not to excuse his behavior, I just don't think he's been around much. His feelings on things he knows nothing about is just because of that--he really knows nothing about those subjects...same as Allison, Dana and Jun making fun of Southerners and referring to them all as hicks. Most Southerners are not hicks...but I'm willing to bet that the NE has its share of hicks that live in small, rural towns too...the big city gals have just never been out of the city to know that there are hicks up there too. They're all ignorant with the exception of Jack. |
Lurknomore | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 06:43 pm     Come on over to the complaint thread Cang...we got a party going in there!!!!!! |
Ricki23 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:00 pm     I'm glad there are so many nice people defending Oklahoma. Yes, there are some racist/homophobic people here, but that's true everywhere. I am very political and love to debate, and if someone makes a racist/homophobic comment then I will call them on it. I'm only 23, but having been born and raised here I can tell you that Oklahomans are changing their attitudes. I have hope for Nate. I think being on BB will open his eyes. It would have been nice to have a little more diversity in the cast though. |
Gina8642 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:12 pm     When did this change from a thread about: - we gotta stop hating Nathan - to - Nathan has to stop hating - ?? |
Omegabubbles | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:17 pm     What's Anita Bryant doing these days? Was'nt she Miss Oklahoma in the late 50's? Didn't she get fired from her orange juice commercial for making anti gay remarks? Haven't heard about her in awhile. |
Costacat | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:29 pm     Omega: Anita Bryant has MS and is pretty much out of the limelight these days. Miggles: You wrote "He can never live down this rumor; it will keep resurfacing no matter how many times he disproves/disclaims it." Actually, I disagree with this. Why would this be something he'd have to live down? First of all, so what if he's gay? It ain't no big thang, and some of the finest people I know *are* gay. In fact, many of the gay couples I know are more "settled" and "married" than many heteros. Secondly, even if it were something that he'd have to live down, there will never be that many people watching this show who will have heard that statement. It wasn't in the papers this a.m. ("Big Brother Contestant Nathan Accused of Being Gay"). Really, this show ain't all that, and being gay ain't no biggie. All of the above are my opinions, some of which are supported in fact. |
Nanc | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 07:28 am     Omegabubbles...don't know exactly what you are getting at bringing up Anita Bryant. But I will list some famous Oklahoma liberals..just in case anyone wants to make a judgment about Oklahomans based on ONE person. ( Of course Oklahoma has their share of right-wing fundie haters, just as every place does) Ralph Ellison ( author of Invisible Man) Daniel Patrick Moynihan Will Rogers Bill Moyers James Garner ( big Hollywood leftie) Woody Guthrie Wilma Mankiller and I might add the largest Unitarian Church in the US is located in Tulsa, Oklahoma On edit.....the biggest lefty of all Gore Vidal. His grandfather was Thomas Gore,the blind senator from Oklahoma He was also the great-grandfather of Al Gore. |
Johnnydollar | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 08:30 am     "BBfanatic, what I am getting at is how Nate's watching of Fox News really clinches the deal. Watching a right wing biased news station in no way challenges his already narrow minded views and fails to expose him to other perspectives" This is inaccurate. Fox News has as many, if not more, different viewpoints as any other source. I wouldn't blame them for Nate's, shall we say, peculiar viewpoints on some things. |
Earthmother | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 10:24 am     Then again he might only be watching Fox news for the commercials.. |
Kyline | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:25 pm     Proudtobeanokie wrote: "Edmond(my hometown) is actually a big town, not a little hick town...But I definitely wouldn't consider Nate to be a "hick" because he's not from some small little town out in the middle of nowhere." Sigh. Can we take this one step further and point out that not ALL people who live in SMALL towns are HICKS? I'm an Oklahoman, I live in a town of less than 2000 that is an hour from any large cities, I'm an attorney, I'm politically moderate, and my 3 best friends are all gay. Geez, I've almost stopped reading the boards because I get so ticked off at all the Oklahoma comments, and now I even see some from people who *are* Oklahomans LOL. Can't we all just recognize that there are idiots everywhere, and intelligent people everywhere, and there are sophisticated people in small towns, and narrow-minded bigots in large cities? |
Kellirippa | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:35 pm     well said Kyline. |
Peachie | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:38 pm     amen kyline, we have all kinds here in Florida and I admit it. |
Willsfan | Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:42 pm     I agree Kyline and that's one reason I have been making myself on the boards this year. I am a native Oklahoman. |
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