There must be a new twist!
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
There must be a new twist!
Crazydog | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 02:55 pm     Interesting. How can there be a veto if there are only 4 people left? Say Erika is HoH, she nominated Robert and Alison. Jun wins PoV. She can't use it because there is no one left to put up. I didn't think there was a PoV when there were only 4 left last year - Marcellas had the last veto. With only 4 people left, whoever holds the PoV essentially becomes the only person who is going to vote (unless the HoH has the PoV). Maybe there really isn't going to be an eviction. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 02:56 pm     Gabby- I believe they said that veto will be after nominations this coming week as opposed to before, as with the two most recent vetos. It is really a twist that there will be a veto this week- really unusual! |
Grooch | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 02:57 pm     Crazydog, if you were nominated, you could take yourself off. |
Darlingal | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 02:58 pm     Veto basically becomes immunity. If you are put on the block and win the veto, you can take yourself off, saving yourself from eviction. |
Haerpino | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 02:59 pm     I think they said the POV will be AFTER nominations this week. A POV with 4 people makes no sense, since if the non-nominated person wins the veto and uses it, would the other nominated person be automatically evicted? There's no one else HoH can put up.. which leads me back to the POSSIBLE eviction that the announcer said last night, and I believe at the end he said (not sure) that "any one of these three people COULD leave," so I'm thinking that maybe no one is leaving or maybe someone's returning (I know, they said no one would be returning, but you never know). |
Jpgramma | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 02:59 pm     sure is Meggie. It means the POV holder gets to choose the replacement nom, if used, not the HOH. Actually means the POV holder, if one of the nominated players, gets to be the one who chooses who will be evicted as well, since there will only be one voting next week. VERY interesting. Unless HOH gets the POV herself, it means the POV winner will really have all the power next week. |
Crazydog | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:00 pm     Yes, I understand that. If you had the PoV and were nominated, you could veto yourself, and then you become the only vote. So this essentially takes ALL the power out of the HoH hands. If Erika was HoH, and Robert wins the veto, then Robert decides who goes home. If there was no veto, then Erika could at least ensure that Robert would not be the decision maker. |
Cameltoes | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:00 pm     This is a terrible twist. Winning HOH this week is meaningless since your decision can be complete undone by the POV winner. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:00 pm     However, the instructions that were overheard on feeds told them what to do tonight after they escort the evicted houseguest to the door... |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:02 pm     No kidding Camel- I hate this. If Robert, for example, wins and nominate Jun and Ali, Ali would mostly likely win POV and veto herself and then Erika would be evicted. Yuck. |
Gabbyone | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:03 pm     Yes you're right Darlingal. The golden veto will be the normal time during the week. Oops...I kind of jumped the gun there. Sorry.... |
Cameltoes | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:04 pm     and what if Erika wins and nominates Jun and Robert (as per her agreement with Alison) but Robert wins the POV. He will evict Alison because he hates her and is not thinking strategically and Jun and Erika's plans to drag Ali to the end are shot to hell. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:06 pm     I can't believe they would do this! It sure means no one would dare throw HOH- the only safe position next week. |
Zelindar | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:08 pm     Maybe the twist will be that only ONE person is nominated by HOH. Then the veto becomes very important! Go Erika! I'm worried about her being the target next. How can she be so quiet and calm under this pressure? You can see the wheels turning all the time now. Do you think she believes anything Ali or Jun say to her at this point? I hope she isn't counting on Jun to have her back! |
Darlingal | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:09 pm     No problem Gabby, I was confused myself there for a second. ;) That would be a great twist Zelindar! |
Cameltoes | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:10 pm     One nominee? Then, they might as well just let HOH choose who to evict two weeks in a row. I find it very odd that there could be the equivalent of two immunities when there are only 4 people left in the house. |
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:10 pm     No, there is another safe position--winner of POV. Actually the winner of POV will have more power than HOH--if nominated, they would get to remove themselves AND cast the only vote for who goes out of the two that would be up. So not only would you not want to throw HOH, but you also wouldn't want to throw POV. |
Bastable | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:24 pm     Lance, didn't they stop with the vetos last year after Marcellas? Was that the last one in BB3, which is why it was the best one/the Golden Veto? Something tells me it was, so it would indeed be a twist to have a veto when there are just four people in the house, for the reasons you've just explained. |
Nancypj | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:39 pm     Right - Marcellas held the last (and only "Golden") veto last year. Then it was just Dani, Lisa, Jason and Marc in the house, right? Amy was gone by then. Dani was HOH, she nommed Lisa and Marc, they persueded Marc not to use the PoV, and he was ousted. Had he used it, Jason would have had to have been put up. Right? Maybe the twist is that this last veto can ONLY be used on yourself. So, if there are four in the house, it would be in the best interest of everyone to get it -- the two noms so they could take themselves off, the non-nommed HG so he or she WOULDN'T get put up, and the HoH so that they would be sure the noms stood. Of course, I'm still kinda thinking that NOBODY will be going tonight. How else will they make it to Sept. 24 without keeping too few HG around for entertainment? At least I have one less hour to wait this evening for the live show... |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:42 pm     Right except Marcellus left BEFORE Amy. Remember her shocked little face? I am SO mad because I can't find my tape of that episode. I've got all of last year's shows recorded but I can't find my tape for the last part of the season. Grrrr! |
Nancypj | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:47 pm     Did she? Wasn't sure...Thought it was imperative for Dani to convince Marc not to use it so she wouldn't have to get rid of Lisa. It's all a fog... Then, that last PoV was with five left? Hmmm... Oh, the suspense! |
Crazydog | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:47 pm     Marc didn't use the golden veto when he and Amy were nominated. Dani voted to evict Marc and Lisa voted to evict Amy. Jason, as HoH, broke the tie and evicted Marcellas. "You should have used the veto." Then Danielle won HoH. She nominated Lisa and Amy. There was no more veto. Jason, as the sole vote, evicted Amy. Then we got the final three competition with Lisa winning in the swimming pool. As far as how to fill the time.... not much has changed, it's just that they could extend how much time the third place person remains in the house. Last year, Amy was evicted on a Thursday, the final HoH was a two-part competition. Lisa won on live TV on Saturday and evicted Jason. Then on Tuesday all the HG came back for the final vote. They could simply extend the stay of the third place person a few days, or just leave it down to two people for a whole week. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:48 pm     Nancypj- You are right that there was no veto at four. However,your scenario was a bit off- Jason was HOH, with Marc and Amy up for eviction, and Dani and Lisa voting when the last Golden veto happened. Marc did not use it, if he had used it Lisa would have been nominated and Amy most likely would have gone. Instead, Dani voted Marc out, Lisa voted Amy, and Jason broke the tie and booted a shocked Marc, leaving four, and no more vetos. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:50 pm     jinx crazydog! |
Nancypj | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 03:54 pm     Thanks guys -- that makes more sense. I was confused there, obviously. So, regardless of what happens tonight, it'll be a "twist". Either the final veto will be with four left in the house, or all five will be thrilling us for another week |
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