Archive through August 20, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
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Archive through August 20, 2003
Lauram | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:02 am     another ?? -- do we know that Robert was ever married to Elaina's mom? She is 7 "divorced" 7 years. Seems like really bad timing |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:03 am     <<<I personally think the nose picking chauvanist is appauling, but I voted for him...for his daughter.>>> Bb234, I LIKE that attitude! |
Earthmother | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:07 am     1st of all that child isn't 3, and secondly I don't think she was exploited at all. Children are on tv all the time and I don't see anything wrong with her talking to her dad. I may not like Robert on the show but I don't think there was anything wrong with his daughter being on the show. |
Floridagirl1010 | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:07 am     No it didn't bother me....it showes how sweet of a relationship he has with his daughter...she's adorable!! I'm so glad that she got the opportunity to be on tv and to be able to send her dad a "butterfly letter" (that part had me bawling!) |
Realbiz | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:10 am     Agree,it was a sweet moment indeed. Nothing wrong with that. Simple as that. |
Ark | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:12 am     The only thing about it that bothers me is that most kids would be very excited that they were going to be on TV. They'd tell their friends and be on pins and needles until they got to see theirself on the TV. I'm hoping that this little girl's mother and her friend's mothers don't let the little ones anywhere near the TV when BB is on. It's not exactly a childrens show. So what bothers me is that this little girl got all hyped up about being on TV and then won't be allowed to see it. |
Smokey | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:13 am     There's a lot that I think is phoney on BB, but I don't think Robert's feelings for his daughter are in any way fake. He's never swayed from being very emotional whenever he talks about her and Erika backs him up completely on how he feels about her and the relationship he has with her. He may act the scumbag in a lot of ways, but to me he just acts like teenage boys in the locker room act--all talk and self-inflating talk. I think he's a windbag and loves to make himself look like some hot stud but I think he's got a lot of good in him, too--with a lot of his good in his fatherhood. ugh. Should I run for cover now?? It's not too often I read anyone saying any good about Robert on here. |
Nonconformist | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:17 am     Julieboo, Here is what the encyclopedia said: White Butterfly any of several members of the cosmopolitan insect family Pieridae (order Lepidoptera), which also includes the sulfur and orange-tip butterflies and contains more than 1,000 species. Adult white butterflies have a wingspan of 37 to 63 mm (1.5 to 2.5 inches) and have white wings with black marginal markings. |
Emdanzma | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:35 am     If his daughter were only 3, she's pretty tall for her age and advanced to write a letter like that ;) |
Floridagirl1010 | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:38 am     I guess I'm in the minority to...I like Robert...I don't remember any racial remarks (sure I missed it) just alot of cursing. He's shown a sensitive side and has worked on his feelings with Erika...loved the salsa dancing...that was great! I also liked the conversation he had regarding their relationship and how she apologized for how she acted...they both need to grow up...maybe as friends they can help each other? So all in all compared to other HG's he's not so bad Just remember how Justin said that he has relationship issues...this after leading Dana on...and how David (everyones favorite??) slept with 1 woman on the show and fooled around with another...Ali sleeping with everyone! lol June chasing anything that talked to her etc ect ect...Robert hasn't done any of this...not that he's not guilty of other stuff but for some reason I'm still rooting for him, Erika or Jack to win Ok...don't throw the eggs to hard...I bruise easily |
Sherri | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:02 am     No eggs thrown here Floridagirl. I just can't seem to believe anything that comes out of Robert's mouth with respect to Erika because they have these fantastic, mature discussions where they apologize to each other, etc., and then each time he has turned right around and gone back to his buddies and trashed her behind her back. That said, I think all of the houseguests except for Jack have alot of growing up to do. |
Floridagirl1010 | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:07 am     I need to read the feeds better! LOL Ok so he's a sensitive schmuck Maybe he and Erika have a secret alliance and he has to be that way? Am I reaching here? hehe |
Bbfanatic | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:25 am     i just get tired of how people that chose to have children get treated differently than someone who doesnt have children. the reasoning that they should get a letter because they have a child. if i were in the house i would love to hear from someone and just because i dont have children (my puppy cant write yet) doesnt mean i should be overlooked. i watched sex in the city right before i watched bb and the subject was similar on it. it would have been better to see jun talk to bob or ali talk to her guy. dont get me wrong i love children, but it reminds me of when someone brings up who deserves to win and need is always brought up. oh, to stay on subject, im sure she will survive her tv experience. im done , thanks !!! |
Novajet | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:38 am     I don't think she was exploited at all. I'm sure she loved the experience. I don't like Robert, but I'm glad he won. He seems genuine about his love for his daughter. Does he deserve the letter more than other houseguests? IMO, yes, he does. A bond with your child is so much stronger than a bond with a boyfriend, or even a parent (if you are an adult). But, maybe you have to have children to understand that point of view. As a parent, I could never deny him that letter. |
Mystery | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:50 am     I couldn't agree with you more, Bbfanatic. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:53 am     Well, as much as I dislike Robert, I think he needed the letter more than the others. It seems to me that in his home, Robert is the child and the daughter is the parent....*He's* the one needed to be shown that he was loved. *He's* the one that has the insecurity issues and needs the constant reassurance. *He's* the one that depends upon his daughter in order to feel needed or important. I think that his daughter might be the one thing that validates him as a person. I'm not saying that he doesn't actually love her...on the contrary, he does....but she may be the only one in his life that loves him unconditionally. I don't think Robert functions well under adverse conditions...at least he didn't in the past, since he turned to alcohol as a coping mechanism. It takes a lot longer than a year of sobriety to learn how to cope with adult situations like an adult and to unlearn that childish behavior of avoidance that hiding in a bottle produces. JMO.... |
Nutsy | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:54 am     You're right Bbfanatic - society does seem to sway more sympathy to those with kids - be it America's choice, company sick days, whatever - if you don't have kids you never get the same treatment. Not a complaint - just an observation. |
Kellirippa | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:55 am     Children that go through divorce turn into tough little monkeys. I'm assuming Robert is not her primary caregiver and that she lives with her mother, who probably works, so she's probably been partially raised in daycare or some similar situation and visits with Dad on alternate weekends or some-such arrangement. She probably misses visits with him when she's going to grandma's or her best friend is having a sleep over. Mom and Dad have probably had relationships over the years and different people have come in and out of her life. It's just what happens and it makes these kids a little less "disney movie" and a lot more resilient. She probably knows exactly where Dad is, it's probably thrilling, she'll see him when she see's him and was just real happy to be on TV. (and if she can't watch the show, I'm sure she's got her segment on tape). |
Floridagirl1010 | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 12:01 pm     Things we might not know...what was his dad like? Was he an alcoholic and treated his mom badly...hence the reason he's like he is? There are so many things that we don't know about him...there are alot of men that treat woman as a secondary in the house...they cook, clean and take care of the kids...opinions are not heard...it's a very sad way for someone to live but maybe that's how he was brought up...just guessing here but I know people (can't call them friends) that do treat their wives like that. Maybe that's why he doesn't stay in relationships too long...Erika knows more but it's something we'll probably never hear about. I just hope the little girl gets a better view on life and that it's not ok for men to treat her the way he treats woman...yes I just read through more of the feeds and he does bash woman...something is deep seeded there! |
Sherri | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 01:07 pm     Nova - What about Jack and his daughters? |
Kalekona | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 01:11 pm     I think the difference is that Jacks daughters are grown, (while mom and dad are always important as they grow you separate a little more each year, so being away from a parent is easier as teens than as elementary school age.) and elaina is only 7. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 01:18 pm     Once I knew that the other houseguests wanted Robert to have it I was fine with him having it- but I have to admit I think they just gave it to him. I do not think America did. For some reason this is the persona they have chosen for broadcast rather than the hatred spewing misogynist we see. I would prefer they show both sides of him, but it isn't my show. |
Sherri | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 01:25 pm     I agree Kalekona (I have a 21-year old), but if the criteria is just that someone who has a child deserves a letter more, then it doesn't seem to me that age should matter. It seems like Jack's daughters still live at home and I think they are teenagers, but I could be wrong - they might be early 20s but no older. I couldn't stand to go a week without hearing from my daughter even now. We talk almost every day even though she is halfway across the US from me. It just touched me that Jack really wanted to hear from his family, but was very gracious and genuine in wanting Robert to hear from his daughter, too. He is a good guy, in my book. |
Misslibra | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 01:55 pm     I was bothered by the fact that they showed the same flash back of Robert saying goodbye to his daughter right before it was time to vote on america's choice. This same flash back had already been shown once at the beginning of the show. What was the purpose to show it again right before america's choice. At that point It had nothing to do with the game itself other then to sway the AC vote. Gave Robert a unfair advantage in my opinion. So I was bothered some by the swaying of that vote. Just because you have a young child who I don't even think he is raising I think her Mom is, don't make you any more deserving of anyone else to win the prize. The one thing I love about BB is that we have live feeds. Once the edited taped version of the show is off the air we can watch what the HG's are really like, and not some edited version of what the producers show us. People who only watch the show on TV are only getting half, maybe one third of what is really going on. Which is why BB is the number one reality show for me, out of any of the other shows, because of the live feeds. I like Survivor, but again we are only getting what producer's have sliced and diced up for us. I do realize the reason they can't show the real Robert in the TV version is because the hatred this Man express about Women is so repetitive and vile at times, BB probably would not only lose ratings, but they would probably have so many Women's groups up their butts it wouldn't even be funny. Not to mention all the bleeps they would have to do on Robert. So I'm thinking that is why they are not airing that side of him. I cry very easy, but was not moved at all by Robert's crying DR. As someone said a lot of Robert's crying I think has a lot to do with his guilt not being there for his daughter, then him missing her. Was touched by seeing his daughter and the white butterflies. Did cry when I saw Robert and Erika's convo forgiving each other for the pass. And I would hope that most Men don't agree with the statement someone said earlier that a lot of Men talk this way when they are around other Men, and Women aren't around Because the things I have heard Robert say about Women is pure hatred toward Women. This is the sort of attitude that leads to domestic violence. Being a women I don't agree with the statement that Women make these same kinds of statements about Men, when Men aren't around. I have never heard Women spew this type of hatred toward men, the way Robert does toward Women. Even in domestic cases where a Women have been abused, one of the first things out of her mouth when ask why don't she leave the guy is that she loves him, even after she is beaten you don't here this type of hatred against Men. I guess it depends on what type of people you keep in your company. I find it low class myself, to put it nicely. And if you do fine that you yourself say these sort of things or are in someone else's company when you hear these things being said, I hope you will for now on challenge yourself and the people who are saying these kind of hateful things, be it Man or Woman. And god forbid you have children and they are listening to this type of hatred. Childred are listening when you think they are not. And they learn from us as well we all know. And just a note on what Robert said he will do with the money if he won, as someone already said not one mention of his daughter all he could talk about was flying the stooges to vegas partying and (repeating Robert here)> finding them some b!tches and hoo's. His beautiful daughter having a college education so far I haven't heard on the list of things he wants to do. Partying flying his friends around and B!tches and hoo's come first on that list so far. I know if he wins, it's his money he can do want he want, but you would think a caring father as BB is trying to portray of him out to be his Daughter would come before anyone. I also want to say the last maybe 3 days Robert has been less vile. Maybe the talk with Erika, letter from daughter, shut his vile mouth up for a while. I hope it will last but knowing Robert's track record it wont. But I'm keeping fingers crossed anyway. Just remember to say I talk this way with my male friends of female friends is no excuse for giving yourself or Robert a pass for spewing hatred against any sex, be it male or female. And if you say well what I say isn't hatred, then I say don't compare yourself with Robert because what comes out of that man's mouth is nothing but hatred against Women. And you can't put bows and ribbons on it to make it try to look ok because it's ugly. |
Kalekona | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 02:15 pm     Do you watch any sitcoms on TV? They degrade men in so many more overt ways than roberts locker room talk. Not sure how old you are but woman do talk this way about men. And it has nothing to do with low class, or the company you keep. I've known upstanding citizens and great mothers say the most horrible things about men because of an Ex. Words are cheap, if Robert acted the way he talks about women i might agree with you but everything we see is talk. (mike Boogie on the other hand treated woman the way he talked about them much nastier than Robert) Ever been to a Chip N Dales show? or something like it? Well let me tell you woman are 100 times worse than men, nastier, raunchier and bolder. Pretty funny actually how a mostly naked man can make even someone like Sandra Dee turn into Linda Love Lace. |
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