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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: I'm liking Jee more and more...........: Archive through August 06, 2003

Spwisc

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It makes sense, Chy, and good points made in your post.

Aus10

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm finding Jee to be much more tolerable than earlier...and that's a good thing because tolerance was something I was losing earlier with these folks....

Perhaps I should post this in the happy thread...
Is this the first positive thing I've said this year?

Cliotheleo

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I'll admit it. He's growing on me too. It all started with that "high and tight" Dave gave him. Two weeks I'll be saying he's the hottest guy in the house .............. of course he may be the ONLY guy in the house........

Tobor7

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I felt so bad for him when he said, "Can anyone please help me..." in the haircut scene.

Kalekona

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee has always been my favorite, I like Jee3 period. Wasn't sure about Justin at first but he's growing on me.

People need to remember Jee is not American, and his cultural views differ from ours. That doesn't make him a bad guy, while his "old fashioned" male perspective may not be in fashion here, in Korea it has worked well for generations and there are some women who like that. It's not like he is disrespectful toward women he respects them he just comes from a more male dominate society.

Go Jee!
Hey Dat Phan won Last Comic Standing maybe this is the year of the Asian guys!!!

Auntiemike

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kalekona: I thoroughly agree with you regarding Jee and the Korean culture. He is so "Korean" based upon my travels and experiences. (I have been to Korea numerous times, have an adopted Korean daughter who takes Korean language lessons from a Korean gentleman who has similar characteristics and perspectives.)

He is pleasant and seems genuine. Go Jee! Wish I could be so generous about Jun and her representation of her culture. Oh well...she is American all the way.

Kalekona

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Jun is all American, but it is interesting to watch the interaction between the two cultures.

Chy

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
May I please have permission to go a little "off topic"? It's still about Jee. I can't find the thread about the ceremony he performed in order to honor his father. (Back when you all were talking about it, my keyboard wasn't working thanks to the "drink of milk" my daughter served it!)

I can't say I know just which ceremony he conducted, but pretty certain that it was simply a way to remember the relatives who past on. We used to do that at least twice a year in my father's house--Chinese New Year's time and Moon Festival(15th day of 8th month on Lunar calendar). The fact that it was his father who'd only passed on for a few years and, the fact that Jee is the oldest son (well, isn't he also the only son?) made it a very important affair. My father used to only forced my two brothers to memorize names of three, four generations before us. The women used to slave for days preparing food for the feast. My father along with his brother, will teach all the male in the next generation and carefully write all ancestor's names to whom we were remembering at the time(for some reasons some got off the list eventually), on to big red envelopes with black ink and brush pens--seem to recall father wrote it once in gold for newly passed grandfather, his father in-law who was real good to him. Other than giving helping hands in the kitchen, us girls were only good enough to fold origami's shapes like silver nuggets, and filled them gently in those big red packages. Unless--please don't laugh-- you are in the middle of your menstrual period.
Choice of food for the feast is simply whatever the best that you can afford. We place piled high rice(two bowls of steaming hot white rice pressed into a magical round mount, that is one of my earliest childhood memories) and warmed rice wine by each seat as if they were really there! (Children were so taken by the atmosphere, we usually don't need to be told to stay quiet. In fact, we used to think we would be able to communicate with these ghosts once we were of age.)
Before serving, my father or uncle will hold a cup of wine with both hands, bow and humbly pray/invite our guests to "come to the Banquet". When father claimed they are all seated, then we all take turns, by age and Male-Female order, with insence in our hands, go to the pillow infront of the dinning table to great them and place your wishes(don't laugh, mother really believes that we are doing well because our ancestors always watch over us.)
After some time, my father/uncle WILL bow again and humbly DRINK the wine and bit our Honorable guests farewell. We all take turn bow, kneeling and kowtow at the pillow again. They will then tell us to bring the never touched rice & wine back in the kitchen, pour them all back into pot and jar, all dishes had to take a turn to the kitchen as well. Then and only then, we will reset the feast for ourselves.
Ooops, forgot the very important part. When our honorable guests are at the table, the guys will go to the back porch, in a fireproof tub, they will burn the jammed-packed red packages for ancestors to use in the other world. They even burn some loose "silvers" as well as some in nameless ones for ghosts who do not have offspring. Wine spilled on the ground for that purpose also.

At the graveside or whenever you want to do a small one on certain person's B-day, passing day or any significant day, you could set up what Jee did: fruits, wine, incense(the uncooked rice in a bowl is just a thing we do to secure the standing of those incense) and the most important thing would be a clear and sincere heart. Some people even offer cigarettes, JonnyWalker, Hennessey...(left burning and pour by the grave)...
Paper made Harley, BMW, Jaguar, piano....(whatever the dead loved) gets burned in these ceremonies too.

Again, I'm not sure which type of ritual Jee performed, but I tend to think it's pretty much each person's choice. And, by far, the most important part is to do it with total sincerity. From all your reactions, I trust Jee was oozing of that.

BTW, someone wondered if it should have been a private thing. Absolutely not! Emperors used to do it right in the open along with his officers--although not privy to all people--, leaders today do it with tv cameras around. I don't know how to explain it, but there's no need to do a private one.

Sorry if it's TMI as my girls would say, but I've been bottled up! If Mods see fit to move it, I understand.

Cliotheleo

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Learning/Sharing about other cultures is NEVER TMI Chy, not to worry.

Thanks for reassuring about it not necessarily being a private event. I felt a little uncomfortable watching it for that reason.

Kalekona

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not TMI at all, very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
I think it's beautiful thing to do. Every culture has it's rituals and ways to deal with those who have already passed.

Yes Jee was oozing sincerity from every pore, and watching Jun help him (well everyone really) was wonderful.

I told my daughter.."Guess whose poularity is going to sky rocket by morning?" And I'm glad too...
I love Jee.

Chy

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you, I'm glad it's not wrong for me to post it. Didn't know it'd be so long though!

I still can not whole-heartly root for Jee. Like I talked about before, I've learned from girl friends the crude ways Korean men can treat their wives.
I'm trying to give Jee the benifit of doubts, but reading what some posters refered the way he talks about his girlfriend, I'm a bit worried that he could've been brain-washed by that part of the culture, too.

I like Jun's game-playing, too. At least she's always doing something, trying to control her own fate. I don't like to be around rude language though, I guess I may not be her best friend then.

Cliotheleo

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But shouldn't we treat him as an individual?

Kalekona

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chy..Whatever Jee has been taught about women a really good one can train him right, don't worry.
you can't go into a relationship thinking "I can change him" but there are ways to "Train" them. :)
Sat. is my 23 wedding anniversary and while not perfect I did train mine pretty well. ;)

Chy

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know, Kalekona. I have an Italian Mama's boy, going on 18 years. On bad days, I often have to catch myself not to have certain thoughts about my ma in law.

Congratulations to your 23rd! Nice to hear about success stories.

Clio, I want to. But then I read about what he says about his girl. A lot of it is probably talking big or trying to say things to please his new-found true friends. I think Kale is right that Jee could be trained--if he's lucky enough.

Sunshyne4u

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 12:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting.......I thought the TV show did a real good job of showcasing Jee this week. I come online to check feeds and here a thread has started about how wonderful Jee is.

On feeds he is just as connieving and backstabbing as the others. This week the Jee3 has pulled back from the constant badmouthing of the others but last week, woohoo, it was FOUL!!

I am hoping Jee will go further than some other HGs but he is very sexist and makes demeaning comments about women. I wonder about the legalities of having a landed immigrant (not a USA citizen) even on the show. I know they wont let Canadians apply....so why allow underage girls and non USA person in??

Just my opinion

Cameltoes

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 12:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee is a Permanent Resident (said so on the feeds) and Michelle is 19 (not underage legally). They bent their own rules (Over 21, US Citizen) due to the X-Factor, but there is nothing legally wrong with employing a Permanent Resident. Once you have this status, you can legally live and work in the US.

Kalekona

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 12:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Name one of the guys in the house that hasn't made sexist comments. Or for that fact said nasty things about the others.
at least Jee is as honest as you can be in that house and really cares about the feelings of the others. He's loyal to jun and the Jee three and loves is girl without question.

Sunshyne4u

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 02:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Is permanent resident the same as Citizen? I have no idea how you do stuff in the USA. Can you be a "permanent resident" for your whole life and never get to be a citizen?? I would love to have someone explain, thx.


Camel........we agree/ Michelle was underage for BB own set rules/ also was underage for the drinking.

C1mag

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 03:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can stomach him when he is not HOH. I actually thought as he set up his thing for his father that he went totally OCD. We were laughing so hard at how many times he moved those damn oranges and apples to get them just right. Then he would straighten the towel. Go back inside and look at his hair, come out and straighten the oranges and apples again. I think he actually spent more time getting ready and obsessing over setting the whole thing up than he did in remembering his father durring the whole ceremony. He really isn't one of the hg's that I enjoy much but as I said I can stomach him as long as he is not HOH. He went totally Godfather durring his time in that room. Not a pretty sight for this viewer.

Philamom

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 03:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Permanent resident" and "citizen" are not the same things. Citizens have more rights, etc. And you can be a "permanent resident" for your whole life and never become a citizen -- it's up to the person if they decide to apply for citizenship or not. A person is issued permanent resident status (also called a "green card"), which is good for 10 years. They simply have to renew it every 10 years.

You can only become a permanent resident if you meet or qualify under certain conditions -- I don't know all of them. I think the easiest way to become a permanent resident is to have a relative in the U.S. who agrees to sponsor the person. There are also political reasons, like for asylum. There's a violence-against-women program, too. Long-term employment is another reason. There used to be a "permanent resident lottery" for people who didn't qualify under any other conditions -- I'm not sure if that's still in effect, though.

Sheilaree

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 05:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't know there was a snake in the house, I knew there was turtles there, was that a real snake that Jee was carrying? I think he can be cocky

Aus10

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 05:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My understanding of permanent resident vs. citizenship was told to me from a friend who is a permanent resident but still a citizen of Mexico. He said the only thing that he could not do here in the states was vote. The reason that he would not go get his citizenship was that as the oldest son of a property owner in Mexico he would eventually inherit his fathers land. But that if he gave up his Mexican citizenship he would also loose that land and would not be able to inherit it. He has dreams of him and his wife, retiring there some day, knowing that their pensions and US savings will allow they to live very comfortably on a piece of ocean side property down in the Yucatan Pennisula....I can understand where he's coming from.....Retirement in the Cancun area doesn't sound like a bad thing.......

Wanderer

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 05:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Jee but don't like the way he is playing. Think Jun is making his decisions. Alley Cat! will now start playing him.

Justareader

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 06:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee's humor has grown on me. I like him but not as HOH.

Bonnyswan

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 06:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Justa....his power trip was painful to watch when he was HOH. But I think when he realized he had no idea what was really going on that gave him the jolt he needed and in turn became more likeable, to me anyway.