Archive through August 24, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
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Archive through August 24, 2003
Jhezzie | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 10:53 pm     Sean's right. Jun cracks wise about everyone, including herself. Ali, however, thinks her s*it don't stink. It will all come back to bite her in the end, though. |
Onlyhuman | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 11:31 pm     When I heard about this plan, I was completely nauseated. I realize that everyone is excited about the girls overthrowing the guys, but this "plot" is reprehensible. This is not game play, it's character assassination. This is Ali unable, once again, to take responsibility for her actions. It's disgusting. If Erika knows about this and allows these women to use this excuse to save her, then I hope she loses. |
Wendo | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 11:45 pm     Actually, Jun is the one who started this kind of "talk" about Jack a couple of weeks ago. And I disagree that all of Jun's comments about this regarding Jack have been smart ass comments. Because, imo, they haven't. Some have been, but not all. Jun planted this seed awhile ago and is now fertilizing it with Ali's help. I do agree, however, it's a pretty shady tactic and one that I wish Jun and Ali weren't using. I don't think you can point the finger at Ali and not at Jun. They're both responsible. |
Vskatefan | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 11:50 pm     Well, I am not excited about the girls overthrowing the guys pretty much because Alison is a part of it(although I know Jun has said her share of crappy things about Jack and others). I am not a huge fan of J2 but I almost want to root for them with this development. There are plenty of game-related reasons to do what the girls are doing. Why bring anything else into it? |
Kappy | Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 11:53 pm     Tobor: "So? It doesn't make it right does it?" Um, no where did I say it made it right, okay? It just reminded me of one of the reasons I didn't care for Lisa last year either. But as crossfire said, let's not re-air those issues from last year. Like Onlyhuman, nausea is a common reaction I have whenever I watch Ali or Jun but with Ali especially. I doubt Erika knows what they're doing. I think she's fond enough of Jack that she would be outraged if she knew. God, I hope she sees through Ali! |
Nexell2 | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:00 am     I'm not going to be posting here anymore, I don't think. This night has just been too much for me and I don't mean what's going on in the house. Sometimes you just have to say enough! For the record, America was founded on certain principles and amendments. |
Tobor7 | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:03 am     Sorry Kappy if I read into your statement. At least we both on the same page. |
Tobor7 | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:06 am     Nexell-- I know how you feel. But take a deep breath. I've been to other boards, and without some sort of moderation it really becomes a cesspool. Posts with such venom I got bored with it. A total waste of time. At least here, you can actually learn something from some of the members. I can't say I understand all the censorship, but I will say that this is the best place around. |
Cathie | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:08 am     From what I heard this is a way to justify to Jee & Robert why they voted Jack out on Wednesday. Why in the world do they have to make up something to justify it? Can't they just tell the truth--"we want Jack out for strategy reasons." |
Tobor7 | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:09 am     They can't handle the truth. |
C1mag | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:10 am     Cathie thats what I keep saying. |
Nexell2 | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:16 am     Whatever Tobor- I'm done with this. |
Wendo | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:19 am     I agree, they don't need a justification. I do not think they should be doing this either. I will say, though, that Jack has made some sexual comments and innuendo to Jun. And, if a 58 year old man made some of those comments to me, I would feel uncomortable. But, I do want to make it clear, it's not a good route to go. It's nothing like what Lisa said about Gerry though. Lisa went way overboard with what she said about Gerry. Hopefully, this explanation idea Jun and Ali have will die tonight and not go any further. It's just not cool. Oh, and just to add, I find it interesting that most people are calling Ali out for this when Jun is participating just as much; in addition to making comments about Jack for the past couple weeks. I think that since Ali is less likable, it's easier to vilify her. Whereas Jun can be funny and not so psycho, so it's easier to excuse. Anyway, just an observation. |
Zippo | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:20 am     The reason Ali wants to justify it is in the off chance Robert gets HOH then they want be mad at her. |
Tobor7 | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:23 am     Wendo... when Jun started it I wasn't sure if she was or was not onto something. I sort of thought it was to get Jee against Jack. BUT-- when Ali did it... she was talking train-of-thought and was trying to come up with a reason to say she voted out Jack and just came up with it as her first choice. A far more sinister action as far as I am concerned. Maybe if I think about it more I'll be more eloquent. |
Wendo | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:27 am     How is Jun wanting to turn Jee against Jack any less sinistar than Ali using it as a reason to vote out Jack? Neither action is better nor worse, just equally inappropriate. However, it seems that the older guy in BB gets this kind of talk. Gerry last year, and Kent did a bit during BB2. |
Tobor7 | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:30 am     I think it sucks for the both of them to do it. I don't know why Jun did it. That is in her head. Maybe she really thinks Jack is up to something with her. But I KNOW why Ali is doing it. That is why it is worse for me. I condemn them both though. (For the record.) |
Wendo | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:49 am     I think Jun is doing it for the same reason, imo. She's just not as blatant. |
Tobor7 | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 12:54 am     Perhaps she is. But I don't KNOW. With Ali she told us. |
Vskatefan | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 01:02 am     I guess I am the oldest person here since I don't think Jack is sooooo old. I just don't get why CBS even bothers with houseguests that are over 35 anyway. They put mostly young, shallow people in there and no matter how "perfect" the older person behaves, every comment(even if similar comments are made by younger people) are taken to be "dirty old man" comments. Jack may not have acted perfectly in the house, but he has overall, been about as good as one is going to be in this situation. When you are older, you can't "go along with the guys" for fear of being labeled a perv, but acting "their age" gets them labeled as sonmeone who is trying to parent the others. They can't win for losing. |
Tobor7 | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 01:05 am     Well put VS. |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 01:07 am     Wendo & Tobor, I see both of your points. I think Jun gets a little bit of a pass because people like her. I don't agree with this, but I can see how other people could take this viewpoint. Tobor, I agree, what was particularly disgusting with Ali is that she stated blatantly that she was going to make up things about Jack to justify her actions. She doesn't have the guts to stand up and take an action and live with the consequences, so she's going to justify her behavior with slander and lies. Jun has made comments about Jack in the past, but I could see how she might have been uncomfortable about some of the things Jack has said. However, if she is now doing this ONLY because of the vote, I think it's wrong, because she has been pretty up front about her voting strategies and has pretty bluntly told people why she did the things she did. Personally, I don't like this line of attack AT ALL. And like I already said, if Erika knows about this and allows it to continue in order to save her own butt, then I hope she loses. This is why I hate the sequestering of the jury. People should be held accountable for deciding to use tactics like this and they won't be. Still annoys me.... |
Philamom | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 03:51 am     I went to bed early last night, so I'm just waking up to all this Jun/Ali slander stuff. It's truly nauseating. And, being female, I'm embarrassed by the conduct of the women in the house. Ali, especially, is vile. |
Brotherman | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 04:19 am     Ali and Jun didn't want to subject the house to a whole month of eating PB&J for POV, but I guess they have no problem with slandering a man's reputation on national tv for a possible half mil or 50 grand. I'll take Dani and Roddy with their mind games any day. |
Bracken | Sunday, August 24, 2003 - 06:18 am     I went over to the live feed postings to see exactly what Jun and Ali were saying about Jack and can't find any reference to the "dirty old man" comments. There is just a post stating that Jun says he sometimes makes her feel uncomfortable and that is all I can find about this issue. Did the live feed posters miss this entire conversation? |
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