Is Allison this season Danielle?
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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Is Allison this season Danielle?
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Scandalousplaya

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Ali is a flat out liar. Dani lied, but she was able to manipulate as well.

Scandalousplaya

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know one thing for sure if Erika and Ali make it to the finals they should bring Dani and Lisa in the house to pay them a visit. Wouldn't that be something.

Mkcantjump

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali is just playing the game. The other person was a horrible , horrible woman and was not just playing the game. I hated her like many people did.

Zachsmom

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WOW! I may dislike some of the players actions (all BB seasons) but I have never "hated" a player.

I didn't like some of the actions that Dani made, but I could tell what type of person she was outside of the house, and I imagine it was a totally different Dani than what she was inside of the house.

I can tell that Ali is young and immature. I don't like a lot of things she has done and said in the game and I do believe she is pretty much the same in real life.

Dani & Ali are not the same in sooooo many ways.

Texasdeb

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dani was basicaly a good person. I liked her & even picked her as my fav from day 1. When it got down to the final 5 I lost "BB3 respect". Marcelles is/was my all time fav BB person & Dani totally screwed him. I do NOT think Ali is basically a good person (on my terms). Dani stayed in her own bed my gosh!

Jpgramma

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If I had to compare Ali with any of the players so far, Nicole comes to mind. She was also a great one for crocodile tears and for managing to somehow keep herself in the house, even though almost all other HGs despised her. They both brought out similar emotions from the viewers as well. Oh! And let's not forget Nicle's constant whining and worry about what her husband would think about her behavior in the game. Now THERE'S a real similarity. lol

Scandoulous player! I LOVE the idea of dani and Lisa paying the final 2 a house visit. so would they! One thing I have noticed about this years cast, I think they've ALL mentioned that they though dani played a great game and should have won/would have w/out the DRs available.
What I'd find fun about that visit is that Dani would get the fan treatment from the F2, whoever they may be. Most, if not all, aspire to play the game Dani did. They'd be polite to Lisa.

Bondmaiden

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope Dani is never in the house again.

Scandalousplaya

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bondmaiden I'm sure Dani wouldn't step foot into that house again even if Arnold asked her personally.

Misslibra

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Allison is this seasons Allison. :)

Hamsterlady

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
here here Miss :)

Mkcantjump

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 10:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
right Miss

Spear

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 04:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think they're playing the same way at all. Dani was liked by most of the jury members at the time they were evicted. Alison is hated by most of the jury members and the ones still in the house do not like her either. And yet, Dani lost the final vote by a huge margin. If Alison makes the final two, who knows what will happen?

Oh, and Dani *did* step into the BB4 house. There are even screencaps here.

Justshirley

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 06:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Marcelles is/was my all time fav BB person & Dani totally screwed him."

Marcellas screwed himself.

Llkoolaid

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 06:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I loved Danielle. Best player but screwed by drs. She thought she could say what she wanted in drs and was encouraged to tell how she was playing the game and didn't know she didn't have the advantage that this years hampsters have. I think that the reason the format was changed this year is because the producers realized that showing the evicted hgs the drs was not fair and it effected the outcome of the game. Any new players were not going to spill what their plan was after what happened to Danielle. Danielle outplayed them all and her game was exposed by the drs, thus robbing it from her. Had the houseguests voted on game play sweet little Lisa would not have won the big prize, but they voted on emotion because Danielle got the better of them and they got even. A bunch of whiney poor sports IMO.

Beruthiel

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 06:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But didn't Danielle know that the outgoing HGs would see her DRs? If I recall correctly she was knowledgeable about previous BBs and thus knew that DRs were revealed during the shows. She also knew that they are filmed all of the time and that anything said or done in the house, even her backstabbing behind people's backs, might be shown too.
I'm still of the opinion that it wasn't her DRs as much as her backstabbing that lost her the game, since, in the DR, she was talking about her strategy, even though she did it in a gloating way, and everyone talked about their strategy in the DR - remember Will?
She just couldn't stop her spitefulness behind others' backs in the house and that, IMHO, is how she screwed herself. Part of the game is ensuring that you don't make yourself hated, and in that, she failed. Alison already knows that, and that's why she tries to justify herself every time she screws someone.
As to Alison being this year's Danielle, no, she isn't. Her manipulation is blatant and not behind the scenes, and she tries to make up for her treachery by sucking up to her victims afterwards. Danielle's victims didn't know they were victims until they got out of the house.
The only similarity to Danielle that I recognise is that Alison gloats in her DRs too.

Costacat

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 08:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think you can compare Alison to Danielle. It's like comparing apples to oranges. Alison has *played* the game. Danielle let everyone *else* play the game for her.

As to the lying and manipulation... isn't that an expected component of this game? It's the rare player who makes it to the halfway point without having lied or manipulated anyone. Even Jason last year "manipulated" others in a less direct fashion (mainly by never admitting his alliance with Danielle).

I didn't like Danielle last year. I thought her DR confessions were completely uncalled for. She had no reason to spout some of the stuff she did last year, and I was glad to see it come back and lose the game for her.

I don't really like Alison either. Yes, she's lied. Yes, she's manipulated the HGs (mostly the men). But I also blame the men for that -- they were allowing her to play her games.

I do not think Alison is Danielle. But I do think Alison has played the game.

Jpgramma

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dani's one big mistake last year was deciding to take Lisa to the F3 instead of Marcellas. She could have won against Marcellas, who was, at the time of his Golden veto moment, actually loyal to Dani and would not have voted her out if he'd gotten any subsequent HOHs.

Wudda, shudda, cudda. Dani's fatal mistake was deciding to drag Lisa to the F3. sigh. Had she really been diabolical, she wouldn't have made that decision.

Ali wouldn't make a decision like that. Ali is ALL about Ali.

Catfat

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 10:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielles fatal mistake was bad-flapping everyone behind their backs, both in the DR and otherwise. For instance, she had Gerry's vote until he saw the tapes and all the gross things she said about him. She just managed to cover up her venomous comments until the end, when she was finally revealed for who she really was.

Jpgramma

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Do you really think her comments were any worse than the ones Marcellas and Amy made? I still think that she could have won against either of those two, DR or not. Theirs were just as insulting, if not worse.

Rob_Robe

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 11:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani is a better person than Ali PERIOD both as a player AND as a person. i just can't stomach ali... and i don't know why so many people hated Dani? maybe had to do with her race? who knows? beats me, :-X

Gina8642

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Her comments hurt people more because they were unexpected. Everyone is that house knew Marc and Amy were catty and loved to poke fun at people. Danni on the other hand gave everyone the impression that she was this very kind, loving person that was on their side. When they found out the stuff she said about them it really, really hurt. When they found out what Marc/Amy were saying, they weren't suprised at all, because they already expected it.

Sushigirl

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 11:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There were qualities in Dani that I liked. I don't like anything about Ali.

Bondmaiden

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is nothing about Dani I liked. Ali is not my favorite but she does make me laugh once in awhile. Dani just made me cringe.

Xarph

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing I really liked about Dani was her personal honesty outside the game play. One fine example of this was Dani's converstation with Amy in the BY.

Amy was sunning herself. She heard Dani say something about her but was not sure what Dani said. Amy asks Dani, "Are you tallking about me?" Dani replies, "If I had anything to say about you, I would say it to your face."

This, off course, followed a period of several days where Dani had been making all sorts of nasty comments about Amy behind her back. It was also followed by more days of Dani ripping Amy behind her back.

Yep. Dani was a stand up gal much like Jee is honest and honerable.

Reichenfan8

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The difference between Dani and Ali, to me, is that I wouldn't have minded Dani winning the money, but I will scream if Ali does.

Catfat

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle's acid comments were interspersed by her constant references to her religion, the bible, what a good god-fearing person she is. She was one of the most two-faced people ever on BB.
Amy, Marcheeus, Nichole, Alizon and others have said bad things about others, but not while hiding behind a veil of religion and bible-thumping. That is why I loathed Danielle so much.

Tobor7

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 03:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know the true answer to this, but if I did I'm sure it would have something to do with Jee.

Pantageas

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle had an alliance with another player from the start of the game and was true to it ALL THE WAY until the Final 3. Then she made a deal to ensure she was in the Final 2 to take home $50K as a down payment on a house. Which player, praytell, has Alison been true to from the start of the game? Uh huh. Right.

Ginlei

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does Ali really know what it means to have an true alliance???

Cangaroo

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think so. I mean, she's admitted herself that she cheated on Justin with Donny and then cheated on Donny with Justin and then got back with Donny. If one can't even keep true with the person they supposedly love and want to have babies with, how can we expect them to know how to have a true alliance?

Katlady53

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 04:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali's only alliance in life is to herself. She's a <LC>. I hope for her sake that she finally grows up.

Scandalousplaya

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Very good points from every one. I do think that Dani is a different person outside the house compared to inside the house. Ali on the other hand...who knows

Dani clearly admitted her wrong. Dani was quite nasty in the house, but so was every other hg. Dani did her best to get her and Jason to the end, which is an amazing feat in itself due to the fact Jason and Dani were never nominated.

Ali is only thinking for Ali and if it gets her to the finals, then she's a great game player. Will this year hgs blame Ali for their downfall or will they blame themselves for trusting her?

Xarph

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Man, I would hate it if someone called me a ellsee. Not that Ali does not deserve it, it just... well, you know.

Tobor7

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 04:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
El Caboom?