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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Jee's New Plan: Archive through August 29, 2003

Pengoh

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 11:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee just discussed a new plan with Robert to tell Ali that if she doesn't use the veto to save him she won't get his vote in the end. He wants her to veto him, Jun will put up Erika, and Ali/Jee vote out Erika. He kept repeating to Rob 'I'm not threatening her, I'm telling her the truth'. Comments? Anyone think Ali's going to flip again?

Pattie555

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No veto change.
She wont flip, but she will lie and tell him she will vote his way.

Earthmother

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Ali knows that Jun has the same reputation with the jury that she does and wouldn't risk it. I don't see her staying with Erika but I do see her trying to go to the finals with Jun.
Personally I don't see Ali beating any of the remaining hgs in the finals. We have to remember that the jury doesn't get to see the DRs where a lot of stuff is said that could make the difference. Unless they start showing some of the really nasty things Jee and Robert are saying the jury only has what they are allowed to see and hear as the basis for their decisions.

Tobor7

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is his only play at this point in the game. We went over it in Chatters last night. It is still in there.

Gina8642

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She isn't getting his vote in the end anyway - how is this a deal? Everyone wants to go to the end with Ali, she doesn't need to make deals. She only needs to try to keep someone she can beat.

Realbiz

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It would be to Alison's advantage to vote out Erika - she can't win aganst her. So she should take J2's offer to oust Erika, when she still has a chance.

Maryk

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And Alison has a chance against either of the stooges? She has more of a chance against Erika than either of them.

Kellirippa

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is no chance of anything other than an Ali and Jun final at this point is there??

Csnog

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder what part of the word "Threaten" Jee doesn't understand.

It means to endanger and /or harm.

Maybe BB needs to tell Jee about the use of the word.

Oh I forgot, BB threatens the HG's with penalty nominations. lol

Gina8642

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee has a better play, but he might be too blind to see it.

Jee asks Jun to save him. In return for the save, he promises to take her to final two if he is still there and wins final three.

How Jun can save Jee:

Jun puts up Ali and Robert.

If Ali does not use veto (unlikely)
- Jee votes out Ali.
- Erika votes out Robert.
- Jun breaks tie, and votes out Robert.

If Ali uses veto on herself (more likely)
- Jun replaces Ali with Erika
- Ali votes out Robert (or Erika)
- Jee votes out Erika
- If needed, Jun breaks tie and votes out Robert.

Result - Jee doesn't go.

IMO - Jee should stop badmouthing Jun and telling everyone she will win in the end. Jun is his best hope for saving himself right now, NOT Ali.

However, also IMO, Jee isn't this bright and needs Jun to clue him in. He's digging his grave deeper everytime he opens his mouth.

Rhett

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think any of the remaining HGs would take Ali to the final two except Jee. She needs to make sure Jee goes.

Csnog

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun knows that Jee has the votes on the jury to win. Jun wants Ali in final 2 not Jee.

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't presume Jee beats Jun at this point; if that's the way it ends up, he probably has Robert's and Justin's, but as of now I think she has a shot at the rest to one degree or other. I doubt it is locked in stone.

Pengoh

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee now said it's not like he's asking Ali a favour.. oh my goodness. Someone get this guy a dictionary

Shoegalnj

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL @ Pengoh. Jee's not playing this game well if he's using threat tactics IMO

Justareader

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jee fails to realize that Ali thinks she can beat any of the girls and robert to become the final HOH...Jee has won 2 HOH and other comps which may give her pause. He forgets that he has shown himself more able to win comps than any others. So, why would she keep the boys and hand them a chance at the end game????
He should further know by experience that she does not take well to pressure/threatening tactics. She may feel she can win the jury over at the Q&A if she is up against a girl. Jee is well liked by the jury, so far, she can't win against him....He is grasping for straws and I just keep thinking: is that the best you have to offer to be in the final three with him and robert? further, she knows that he would take rob to the finals should he get HOH...she aint gonna risk it...gotta give it to him for trying, its just too weak.
edited to add: and this big move that Rob keeps referring to??? She is already in a group of 3-2 and when one of them leaves it is gonna still be a 3-1 for the girls...And they talk about the girls not thinking straight...they think their plan is the best over all and why shouldn't these _______ women follow it? give me a break.

Onlyhuman

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In this house, the ONLY power you have is the "threat" of nomination, eviction and the final vote. That's it. There is no other power.

Whether the "threat" is made directly or indirectly, it is always there.

This is pretty much Jee's only hope. He actually would have been better off using this technique in the Erika/Ali eviction. He should have just told her straight up that if she went against them, neither of them would ever vote for her in the finals, no matter who she was up against. Losing 2 votes (actully 3 because the DT is probably going to vote together) would kill her chances considering there is no way she will ever get Dana's vote.

Ali has been worrying about the boys' vote for a while. Why do you think she is still trying to convince them that she never betrayed them and that she's on their side? Because she wants their final vote.

If this is the only power you have, you should use it.

BTW, I don't think that it will succeed but Jee has nothing to lose by trying.

Unlike most people, I DON'T think that Ali is playing for second place. She honestly believes she has a shot at first and that Nathan, Jack and Justin will all vote for her against Jun. I think she's counting on the fact that the guys supposedly hate Jun more than they hate her. Letting her know that she is wrong would be a VERY smart move.

If they used the appropriate technique, they could really get her thinking and dwelling on this. Unfortunately, Jee has the subtlety of a sledgehammer and will keep harping on her. What he needs to do is plant the seeds and walk away. Yes, she'll probably get mad but then she'll start trying to figure a way out of it. They need to make it clear to her that her baby-talking and crying won't save her this time and if she wants their vote, she better give them something in return!

Meggieprice

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I came in late to Jee and Ali- did he try this?

Rhett

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OnlyHuman, you got it right with "Unfortunately, Jee has the subtlety of a sledgehammer and will keep harping on her. What he needs to do is plant the seeds and walk away." Jee however is not the sharpest knive in the drawer.

Rhett

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
neither am I that should be knife

Lurknomore

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well while here trying to see if Jun is back in the house (and just stopped typing this post when I saw she was back) there is one point folks are forgetting. None of us really know where Jun stands with her gamelong alliance with Jee. While she might have been Miss "Girlpower Alliance" last week, I'm not convinced she is had totally abandoned her alliance with Jee. I think she trusts him a lot more than the girls. So I think she wants Robert gone this week and will come up with some twist or way of convincing the girls he should go. Maybe tell them she can control him better than Robert or something. But given how strong he's been in comps it will be a tough argument. But I'm thinking now that she's back we'll see her brainstorming with Jee and get a better idea what she has in mind. We'll see.

Cousin_Jake

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun just told Ali in the kitchen that she's going to put her up with one of the boys and then she can veto herself off and Jun will put up the other guy. Way to go Jun - she just took the power out of Aki's hands and back into her own. That girl can think straight.

Tobor7

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"That way Ali will take herself off---" and Jun will put up Erika after she makes a deal with Jee. Ali will not see it coming. Erika will be gone and Jun will have the deal that Ali didn't take.

Crossfire

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That would be fun just for the firestorm it would create here.

C1mag

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not even close Tobor. jun keeps both guys while she can't compete for the next hoh? YEAH RIGHT! One of the guys is going and Ali and Jun to the finals.