Cards Close to the Vest ... Not!
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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Cards Close to the Vest ... Not!

Vasewist

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think one of the reasons the show is boring this year is that the HGs blab everything to everyone. Where are the secret strategies? Why are they not keeping information to themselves - to use at just the right moment?

The only person I see doing this is Ali. She reported some of her conversation with the J3 but kept quiet about the alliance offer from them. Still even she lets go of too much information.

When Jack and Erika made an offer to Jun to return to their alliance, Jun told about the offer the first chance she got. It would have been better strategy to keep it quiet until HOH was decided this week. But then again, Jack and Erika will take her back - no matter how much she blabs.

These HGs know everything about everyone. It's hard to build suspense that way.

I miss the great BB strategists - Dani, Jason, even Will!

Jamaum

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Agreed. I think that reflects the level of maturity and possibly life experience in the "cast". It could change as a few more are voted out.. but by then it will be over...

Maris

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree. I couldnt figure out what the motivation was for Erika and Jack to spill the beans about everything Dana told them. They cant be that clueless and actually believe they have an alliance with Nathan. Can they? You can bet if Any of the exes get up next week he is going to pitch very hard for them to put up Erika and Jack. They all seem to suffer from some sort of memory loss and only live for the week. Obviously the way to play this is to go fom week to week and not play for the end of the road but they have to stop spilling to the HOH.


Each week they go and spill their guts to whomever is in the HOH and whichever alliance that is, forgetting that they could have HOH the following week and all their strategies are blown. They reveal that they know exactly what the other side is thinking when in fact, knowing what your enemy is thinking should be a closely guarded secret. Jun played this way in the beginning and it seemed like she was going to be a brilliant player but she moved way too early.

Marameko

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
These people have too much free time, they need a backgammon board, checkers or dominos, even a rigged slot machine to win luxury items.
They simply run their mouths way to much.
While this season is disappointing I am too nibby not to watch.
Hasta la vista Dana...........

Vasewist

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I had high hopes for Jun, too. I can't understand why she has dropped the strategy that was working so well for her in the beginning. Too much time with Dana? Does she actually think that the Jee3 are going to protect her? If it comes to a choice between Jun and another of the Jee3 - Jun will definitely be toast.

I am wondering how far Jee will go to protect Jun. Maybe that is one secret yet to be revealed.

Sasman

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Vasewist, if it is, it is surely the only secret left in the house!

Socky

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, except Ally has figured it out. She has mentioned it to a couple people

Philamom

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually think Jun is sticking to her strategy .... I think she's planning to follow whoever is in power right to the end of the game. That's how she seems to be playing it so far. And she's positioned herself so that she's able to do just that ... she's remained fairly friendly with both sides, reported conversations back to both sides, etc. I think that's why she opens her mouth. She can be closed-mouth when she wants to be ... remember, she didn't even tell Dana that the the original alliance of 8 was voting out Michelle.

If Nate, Jack, or Erika win HOH this week, I can see Jun jumping ship and aligning herself with them. (Of course, we'll never know for sure if that would have happened if one of the 3 stooges win HOH, because in that case, she'll definitely stay with them.)

Jagger

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree these people are all living week to week, no long term strategy from any of them.

Lurknomore

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The biggest problem is they way the jury will be split 4-3 IMHO. This means that unless 2 folks from the Jack group somehow manage to survive then the the prize automatically goes to G3 and friends. The who has to be determined but seriously does it make any difference? There is no suspense at all. And at least in past years we could HOPE that when the HG's saw the bs from the DR's things could change.

BTW am I the only one wondering what removing the DR's and sequestering has added to the game? The only one that seemed to speak freely in the DR was Dave and he's gone :( Ok they show some funny snippets of Jack but it's not like they are in there letting their feelings rip. So either the rest are not capable of such complex thoughts (highly possible) or they don't trust it's really private and keeping their mouths shut in the only place they should be running them.

Mystery

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I love the "rigged slot machine" idea, especially if it paid off more or less according to something that the internet viewers controlled. If the HGs interest us, we give them more of a chance to win! If they bore us, we give them less of a chance!

Lurknomore

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 11:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mystery, how do we rig the machine against everyone???? LOLOL....Ok maybe a tilt towards Jack, but I still like my idea from the earlier thread of buying out these BORING people and getting new HG's NOW while there is still time. If you missed it they were talking about this and almost all said they would do it. Let's see if they are serious!

Spunky

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, it's obvious these people can't keep anything to themselves...

Jun/Jee alliance discovered by Ali... (still don't exactly how)

Ali/Justin alliance is now all out... Justin told Dana, Nate somehow got wind of it and it's no secret anymore with Ali's recent nominations..

Ali agreeing to align with the 3 amigos.. How did Nate find out? Sure she told him but he knew before! So, who told Nate?

Of course everyone knows Jun is still playing both fields... no secret there

Jack/Nate?? How did Ali know??

Erica/Jack... well, that's so obvious..

but Erica/Robert, nah... that's just hilarious

anyawy, it's so silly that they keep talking about their strategies as 2 separate groups when minutes later all of them know what the others want... This is a circus!!

R151996

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 06:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Erica/Robert...hilarious?

They have had at least two secret conversations that I have seen on the live feeds and least one other time didn't talk because they thought they were being observed.

Expect the unexpected.....

Gina8642

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It stuns me now that Dani and Jason managed to keep their alliance quiet as long as they did. These guys (BB4) can't keep anything quiet longer than 30 seconds.

Spunky

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 06:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, it looked to me as Robert's badmouthing Erika non stop was a way to get her evicted... I did notice he stopped his viciousness against Erika, limiting to some mildly offending remarks, but if it's true they have an alliance, well it's the only one that's secret...