Contrivance or Coincidence?
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Contrivance or Coincidence?
Duncan | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 05:08 am     During last night's vote, isn't odd that the first two votes left things as a tie, leaving us 'in suspense' over who would be evicted? I realize there were only three votes, but it was just as likely that the first two votes could have been for Jack, leaving no need for the third vote at all. So....BB knew in advance how people were going to vote, which means that the last minute pleas aren't worth much. |
Kellee | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 05:11 am     Pretty well much useless but we already knew that and so did the guests... I on their side though they did do it in reverse Alphabetical Order so I guess they could justify it that way |
Kaili | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 06:04 am     Robert was pretty unlikely to vote to keep Erika. I think they knew Alison was the most likely of the girls to keep Jack (as Julie said, which of her many alliances will she honor). Maybe it worked out well with the alpahabetical thing... I think they may have tried for suspense knowing that if there would be a surprise, it would be Alison. |
Gidget | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 06:30 am     I'm not good at details but I remember for the last live vote, the eviction was decided before the last person voted. So I vote coincidence |
Auntie | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 06:31 am     they have to tell the diary room in ADVANCE who they will be voting for. |
Bracken | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 06:40 am     True Auntie. So Rainwoman's theory that Julie wears skirts when men are evicted and pants when women are, holds true, lol. I was really torn this time as I liked both nominees. I really liked Jack -- but he just lost too many competitions and will now have a nice vacation and Nathan will have someone to talk to as I think Justin/Dana will hardly interact with him at all. On the other hand, after witnessing Robert's tirade last night, I am so glad that Erika is still in the house to make him miserable. |
Bastable | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 07:32 am     I think everyone who watches the feeds knew that Robert would vote Erika and Jun would vote Jake and that Alison was upredictable. So any good producer would put Alison last since there was the most drama surrounding her vote. |
Gina8642 | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:17 am     Ummm.... This is a TV show... And they want to make it as entertaining as possilbe.... So, ummm, they try to make it suspensful to THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of viewers who don't have live feeds and have no clue how Ali might vote... I guess we should shoot them for trying to do a good job... Please read with a great deal of sarcasm and incredulity!!! |
Duncan | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:21 am     No worries, Gina.....I had many grains of salt! LOL |
Mzcruella | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:29 am     <<I really liked Jack -- but he just lost too many competitions and will now have a nice vacation and Nathan will have someone to talk to as I think Justin/Dana will hardly interact with him at all. >> Bracken, I think Justin likes Jack and would like to talk to him...and that's gonna P$$$ Dana awf! At least she doesn't know Jack said she has the sex appeal of a buzzard's you know what. |
Crazydog | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:40 am     I don't think they did anything on purpose to make a tie so as to make better TV. Last time, Nathan was evicted unanimously in a live vote 5-0. It was kind of pointless after he got three votes against him, but they still have to go through the other two. I did not know that they have to tell BB in advance who they are going to vote for. Has it always been that way? What if they change their mind at the last minute? Something Jack or Erika said touched a cord and they want to change their vote. Doesn't seem fair to the HG that they are locked into that vote, since it presumably is live. If it's not going to be an actual live vote, then why bother to have it live at all? At least it is not as blatant as Survivor, where they rearrange the votes so as to get the maximum effect of a tie. |
R151996 | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:02 am     I think the producers DO try to arrange the live voting order when there is a possibility of the final vote being the deciding vote. I will never accuse the producers of not trying to create suspense even when none actually exists. Last night Robert was always voting to evict Erika. Jun and Ali likely were going to evict Jack. So by having Robert vote first, if any suspense was possible it would automatically be created. In Nathan's never-in-doubt eviction, Ali was placed late in the order to create the sympathy vote angle after the issue was already decided. |
Trinity63 | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:17 am     I wonder what would happen if a houseguest changed their mind from the time they told the DR who they were voting for, and then the actual vote? I think the voting was set so we would be in suspense. |
Kmjm | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:47 am     Of course they tried to structure it so that it was a tie! Why do you think they did a live vote at the last minute- they were certain that it would likely play out that way. I think they know pretty well from listening to them in the house and talking to them in the DR what is going to happen. |
Justshirley | Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 10:55 am     I also believe that they just arranged the voters in the order that would generate the most suspense. But, according to this post by Genius at TWoP, the producers were apparently pretty confident that Ali and Jun would both stick with the girls: "Also, where my boyfriend works, he can get raw footage off satellite for the live show, up to a half-hour before the show goes live. So last night, he saw Julie on the set getting make-up put on and running through her opening monologue. They were also testing graphics up on the screen (like 'Floater' for Alison, and whatnot), and they showed the HOH competition set-up in the backyard with the score-keeping graphics featuring the names ROBERT, JUN, ALISON, ERIKA. This was before the live show started. If it was a live vote, how did the producers know that Jack wouldn't be there? Do you think they force the voting houseguests to do a dry run on Live vote nights and make them reveal their vote?" |
R151996 | Friday, August 29, 2003 - 11:45 pm     I heard one of the HGs joking about voting rehearsal for the first live vote, and when they said "I vote to evict ----", whatever the ---- was apparently made Julie crack up laughing. So I don't think they require the HGs to simulate their actual votes, even though some might give it voluntarily. And since the producers have all feeds to watch and see more than we do, if we can tell what the vote likely will be the producers should know too. And they also have the full DR sessions that we don't get to see. |
Gina8642 | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 12:05 am     All true, but the HG can always change their mind. It is live. Marcellus last year changed his mind. He told the producers he'd use it (golden POV) and didn't. Julie still did well in the interview. They (the producers) think they know how it will go, but no guarentees. LOL |
Jazzzy | Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 10:47 pm     Just Shirley, I want your boyfriend or his job ! ("Also, where my boyfriend works, he can get raw footage off satellite for the live show") I would pay alot for this type of feed ! Is this available to the public? I bet he gets the DR feeds if hes there at the right time. Now I feel like my live feed is a rip-off ! thank for that bit of info, now i understand how some folks got there inside info last year, and their web site is shut down this year, |
Bracken | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 06:12 am     I agree with Auntie, I think the producers do ask and they tell them in advance of a live vote what their vote will be. While there is some back-pedaling like Marcellas with POV, the producers pretty much know how the vote will go. Remember, in past BBs they had to know who would be evicted (forget about BB1) so they could fly in their family to meet them. This year with the sequestration issue, it is not necessary to know, but this is BB, and the concept is BB knows everything and the HGs don't, lol. I see nothing wrong with staging the live votes to take provide suspense. It is part of the genre. At least they don't play the game of the other reality shows that make the contestants wait until after a slew of commercials whether they are going home or not, now that is pure manipulation of the audience and the contestant and it really grates on me. I'm still amazed at Rainwoman's theory of the pant/skirts issue regarding the gender of the evictee. I'm looking forward to seeing her theory prove to be true for the rest of the season. Hopefully, we will be seeing Julie in skirts for the next two evictions. |
Justshirley | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 06:29 am     Jazzzy -- not my boyfriend, not my post. It was posted over at TWoP by a poster named Genius. And I don't believe he sees the feed all the time, just when they're prepping for the live show. The various stations start receiving the feed awhile before the actual show, but they're not supposed to show it until the show actually starts. Kind of like that time President Bush was getting ready to make an address to the country and some British TV station showed the feed before they were actually supposed to go live, and we saw President Bush getting his hair coiffed. Caused quite a stir at the time. |
Jazzzy | Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 10:55 am     Sorry for that Shirley, me baad. thanks for clearing it up |
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