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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: JUN wins POV will she save Justin or Robert ??: Archive through August 16, 2003

Jackensack

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 06:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
and risk having JEE go up on the block???

Mizinvanccouver

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 06:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nah...I don't think she'll use it.

Boberg

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 06:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No way Jun will save Justin or Robert..she knows she is low man on the totem pole in that alliance and this is her chance to get rid of one of them and make herself stronger with Jee..he won't have the guys to lean on, esp. if Justin is gone. But does Jun really want to go to the final two with Jee? I don't think she would win over Jee. I think her best hope for winning the 1/2 million is Ali. Big Question..will Jun take Ali with her to the end even though they hate each other?

Mizinvanccouver

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 06:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't see Jun taking Ali with her to the end but stranger things have happened. lol

I think it would be split pretty even between Jun and Jee if they were the final 2 left.

Jun does all the cooking and Jee is just layed back.

Twiggyish

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She can give Robert a taste of his own medicine. (He didn't save anyone when he had POV)

Boberg

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 07:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mizinvanccouver you seem to imply that some may give Jun their vote in the end because Jun did the cooking...Besides Jack, do you really think any of these people are grateful for anything anyone else does for them? I don't think so but again this is just my humble opinion. LOL

Marcie_B

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep, B: Jee & Robert were chatting on the patio yesterday about Jun using the cooking as strategy. All that work is to get an advantage and everyone knows she's just using it to get votes (paraphrased). Talk about unappreciative! Now cooking is contemptible and manipulative!

Mizinvanccouver

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 07:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point Boberg...I forgot how self-centered, brats the HG's are!!! LOL (Except Jack of course! lol)

I think once they're on the jury and contemplating votes between Jun and Jee that would come up. She really hasn't offended anyone except Dana because of the exit comment to her in the DR. Either has Jee.

Quite frankly I like them both and would be happy if either of them won.

Stro27

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 07:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The only vote Jun can be assured to get in the end is Jee, assuming she's not against Robert of Justin. Robert, Justin, Nate, and Alison will definitely not vote for her. Dana may vote for her, but probably won't after the goodbye lessage Jun left. Erika and Jack are maybe's.

Mizinvanccouver

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 07:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
How has Jun offended anyone else in the house other that Dana? Am I missing something here?

Kalihiwahine

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
in reply to first post above...

Jee was promised that he is "safe" during the cage HOH competition the other night...

Seamonkey

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jee would win over Jun.

(Now, I don't think that is right.. but..)

Robert, Justin, Nate, Ali all HATE Jun
because supposedly, she isn't playing the
game their way.

Erika has expressed that she thinks Jun is
playing a good game, even if different (and
unspoken to me is that Erika knows she played
an even more underground game until she had
to make her move to survive and got the perfect competition).

Erika said to Jack that right now, between Jun
and Ali, she'd have to go with Jun. Jack wavered and finally said Jun but frankly I think he'd vote for Ali.

I also think probably Jack and Erika would vote for Jee, unless they see his bad side before the end.

(Erika was very surprised that Jun thought Robert would stay in the cage no matter what to protect the Jee-3.. said how could Jun not know how horrible Robert is.. but remember the Jee-3 have done most of their terrible bad mouthing and foul mouthing within their group.. Dana and Jun heard lots of it, Ali may be hearing it but Jack/Erika really only see the "good Jee" ..

Jun/Jee at the end (unless Jee pisses off several people soon) would put Jee in the big money. To be honest, I think Jun would take that gracefully as possibly part of her promise to Jee's dying father that she would take care of Jee and his family, a huge burden for someone who was 23 at the time.

I know the other day Jack said that Jee needed the money more than any of them. And Jun has said that things were very rough for Jee's family since they had no health insurance when his father died.

Well.. this was the first place I came.. now need to find out more about what Jun did to win..

I wonder now if they'll accuse her of not playing the game if she uses it or not. I don't think she can win with her detractors.. Jee-3 should be ashamed; Jun combined with Dana and them or they'd have been dead meat.

The anti-cook thing is common with BB.. I've seen on this board that Jun won't "let" anyone else cook.. same was said about Nicole and was used as a negative thing about her too. Monica almost hated Nicole for cooking for her. Go figure.

Boberg

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I think Jun's offense has been running back and forth to both sides constantly and no one being able to trust her..I do feel she would have Dana and Jee's vote. I don't remember her goodbye to Dana being all that offensive, just that this game made Dana too crazy and to enjoy the relaxation of the sequestering. maybe I dont remember everything which is definetly possible at my age..LOL

Seamonkey

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee has been promised immunity but if Jun removed one of the guys (I don't think she will), why then Jack or Ali would have to go up.. heeee.

Cricket

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey, I think the reason people are mad at cooks like Nicole and Jun is that why should only one person in the house be the cook hero? Why should they be able to say "Look what I did..I fed you." They might think it's an unfair advantage over them.

I don't think she'll use the veto. If she does, Jee should go up. I sure hope Justin doesn't get to her because he can be rather convincing. If he convinces her to use it, even if Jee goes up, they have enough votes to vote Robert out and that would not bode well for Jack and Erika.

Seamonkey

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Boberg.. Ali runs back and forth and LIES to both sides, seems more offensive to me.

Kalihiwahine

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
marcieb...
the reason the cooking discussion...

the other night when Jee & Jun were alone in the HOH room, he ASKED her what her strategy was when she came into the house...

she TOLD him that it was to be the cook...and that from the kitchen she would be able to see everything that was going on

Johnnydollar

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee was promised he'd be 'safe'...he was told that if a veto was used he could be put up but as a 'pawn'.

Seamonkey

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Unfair advantage, pfft. Only if the others choose to give advantage. Erika rushes around and cleans in her bikini.. I'm sure she figured that would be an advantage. Ali uses seduction to get her way.. If you have someone who can actually cook, I'd say let them cook, don't assign them to clean the pool.

It is a real life problem too, some people resent it when someone else seems to be doing more, even if that person isn't asking for extra credit.

Part of Jun's strategy of cooking is that it keeps her busy, chills out her mind. So she cooks instead of shuffling cards for hours like Justin.. and provides a useful service too.. and for that she is hated.

Seamonkey

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But, Jun also has the ability to use that strategy.. not something Nate or Michelle could have coped with and several others might just run thru food with no planning or drop eggs like Ali.

Others took advantage of bedroom areas to plot and plan or flirt.. everyone has some strategy (well, not Michelle)

Mizinvanccouver

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok....very interesting perspectives from all of you...however...

How is Jun different than Ali with the going back and forth?

As for her cooking all the time, I don't hear any of the HG's saying directly to her that they would like to cook for themselves. So if they don't say anything I have no sympathy and therefore they should be grateful for her doing all the work. Just my opinion...but these HG's thing they deserve everything that comes to them with the exception of Jack.

What555456

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun may be cooking to stay on people's good side. But I would bet she also does it because it gives her something to do. It is one of the few things in the house that can be done during the day other than lying around and becoming obsessed with every movement and every word of everyone else. Plus, she does seem to like to nibble, doesn't she? <g>

I have liked Jun from the beginning. I thought then and think now she has a good chance of making it to the end. I don't think Jee does though.

As far as will she veto? No. She has nothing to gain by using the veto. Nor does it seem to me from the LF's that there is a lot of passion among most of the HG's for removing one of the two guys over the other, except for Ali. Some preferences on who should go, of course, but not a lot of real passion.

There should be, though. Removing Robert simply eliminates an annoyance. Justin can and will regroup an alliance. Removing Justin removes a leader who can create a counterpoint to Erika and Jack.

Robert may try to regroup an alliance, but he does not have the skills or the personality to hold it together. If Robert stays, Erika and Jack can create a power base with Jun, having Jee and Robert as the puppies who follow their lead. They can then remove Alison, another strong player, next week.

No, Jun will not use the veto. Erika and Jack need to make sure it is Justin who goes.

Earthmother

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert and Justin are only now badmouthing Jun because they are not in the driver's seat. They didn't have a problem with her cooking until this week or make comments about it. The problem here is that Robert is the doof who has no idea about the seperate alliences his buddies have so they can convince him of anything they want to. Jun has really done nothing to either of them but it's Justin and Ali's job to make her look bad so Jee, Erika and Jack might put her up over them. Every year the hgs have to find one thing to use as a weapon and the only one they can think of where Jun is concerned is cooking. I think it's pretty funny.

Seamonkey

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, I've started reading the live feeds from after the competition and I know I shouldn't be shocked but..

As far as I know they didn't get to watch each other..

But ALI and ROBERT are claiming that Jun somehow cheated and that Justin won.

I just got to where apparently Justin said Jun won because she is smart.

But.. as for Justin regrouping an alliance.. even when it seems he'll be out, he's pep-talking Jee and Robert that Ali will stick with them and they will win..

It will be three-three next week but unfortunately, even though Erika realises that Ali actually out-switches Jun, Erika seems to want to trust Ali more and that may well be her downfall.

I just cannot believe some of the outright lies Ali tells.. Jun went back and forth with actual information; I've heard Ali report things that are blatant lies meant to stir up hatred.

Anyway, Jun finally won something but they cannot give her credit.. big babies.

What555456

Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 08:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey,

Your comment about Erika wanting to trust Ali more than Jun rang a bell.

Early on, Erika blasted Jee in what some thought was a manner indiciating she might be prejudiced against Asians. I don't know if she is or not. But if she is, if she has a basic bias against AsiansAsians, she may find that her bigotry will be her downfall because it keeps her from looking at Ali and Jun objectively.

To me, Jun is the more secure ally, if only because she actually does keep a promise if she makes it. Ali does not, but tries to make it look like she does or like she is forced into breaking it.

I would not trust either of them, or any of the HG's for that matter, on any long term promises. But day to day, Jun is more trustworthy than Ali, I think.