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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Special K, acid, ecstacy and cocaine - who used what??: Archive through August 04, 2003

Scorpiomoon

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can someone please tell me why this kind of heated and intelligent discussion doesn't happen in the house? Granted, if they all use "drugs" they probably would agree with each other on this issue. But damn it! It would be so refreshing to see people vocalize their opposing views and then see the aftermath of what happens to relationships because of it.

Zachsmom

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well Omega..that's the thing about drugs..it's cause brain damage and you don't think logically. The more people brag about their drug use..the more brain cells that are fried.

Seanflynn2003

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Scorpio
It's almost like BB makes sure they weed out potential HGs who might be vocal
The HGs obviously are reasonable intelligent, well-educated people
But this year like the past it looks as though they specifically don't want this
For me, not spending my time discussing/learning/sharing with the others would make an already difficult situation worse

Seanflynn2003

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To add to above:

If I were stuck there, I'd ask Jun if she could teach me to cook (I've never learned)
I'd ask Robert to help teach me Spanish
I'd try to share some of my skills with the others interested
Has anyone every done anything like that except when it involved weight training? (talk about the exception that proves the rule)

Zachsmom

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No offense Sean..but that would be really boring to watch

Sunshyne4u

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe I just live around too many pot smokers but I disagree completely with SEAFLYNN's comment about death, disability or addiction from POT. I know a fair number of people who are very lethargic and cannot concentrate well due to YEARS of smoking pot(disabled). They cannot stop because they are addicted to the action(like cigarettes)..People are regularly killed in car accidents or are burned, maimed because they are too stoned to respond properly to a situation(like a campfire out of control).

I will tell you that many boarders (snow and skate) get really 'wrecked' before breaking their necks/ backs and being paraplegic for the rest of their lives.
Sorry if this seems like a lecture. I work in a Hospital with a ski hill near. I am repeating FACTS. (this isnt a theory)

Kalekona

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just to clarify things if you've ever taken an antibiotic , motrin, vitamin or cough drop etc. you are a drug user.

Sunshyne4u

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
oops Sorry for the name being mispelled Seanflynn....no offense meant.

Bastable

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd love to debate the merits of marijuana with you, but I've got a serious case of the munchies.

Maris

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So in a hospital you are seeing abusers of Alcohol, I am sure you also see people suffering from emphasyma and lung cancer, not to mention alcohol related deaths and accidents. Excess in any form is bad and will hurt you.

Frogichik

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 03:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Is it my hit yet!?

Seanflynn2003

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Notice how we all seem to be avoiding the subject of addition to Big Brother? <g>

Kizz

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hahaha Seanflynn, you said "weed" out! So here's my two cents on smoking pot...I had to do a pre employment drug test a few years back. It was a third party that does these tests for many different companies. After I peed in the cup, a guy asked me some questions including "have you ever used illegal drugs"? I told him I smoked pot in college (which was some years previous to this test!) and the guy kind of waved his hand dismissively amd moved on, sort of like it didn't count. I got the job so I guess it didn't.

Omegabubbles

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well. I'm still not impressed with people talking or bragging about past or present drug use. Do it or don't but I'm not impressed and don't want to hear it. It just makes the talker appear really stupid.

Sunshyne4u

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My addiction to Big Brother doesnt exist this year. I cancelled feeds and half heartedly check the Live Feed Posts for any resemblance of interesting dialogue. SIGH!! Even the TV show does nothing for me anymore. (used to wait eagerly to see how the TV would splice together unrelated days to 'fake' an incident)

Sunshyne4u

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
KIZZ The guy needed to write down your comments to go along with the Urine sample. Of course, smoking pot years earlier in college would not show up in the sample....that is why he waved his hand dismissively in my opinion. If you had said LAST MONTH, you would have got a different reaction. Interestingly, I found out that the N.B.A. in the USA had to elevate their "Low limit" of THC content....most of the players were testing positive as the test is so sensitive. It has now been increased to a high level so almost everyone passes each time LOL>.......They dont do that for the Olympics!!!

Happypixie

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just read thru the whole thread and wanted to point something out. Gidget said:
"Your neighbor could be growing pot hydroponically. One wrong spark and everyone is annihilated."
Hydroponic growing means that you are growing plants without using any soil. The roots of the plant are in water. This means no manure based fertilizer, and the dangers that go with it. So it wouldn't be an issue...
just wanted to clarify :)

Okiekerriella

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It really bothers me the way the HG trivialize the use of drugs. Drug abuse is a serious problem in the US. Kids are doing it at a younger age than ever. Social use of pot may not seem like a big deal, and for the majority of people that use it its not and not and never will be. However, to condone or even joke about drug use is to underestimate the ability drugs have of taking control of peoples lives.

When a person takes drugs you might say they are only effecting themselves but in my experience our family has been deeply hurt because of srug use and abuse.

My Uncle started using drugs at a very young age and was arrested for possesion at only 19. He went to prison for 3 years and completely pulled his life together. He left prison with a fabulous new job in the computer industry, made new friends and had his life on track for the first time since he was 10. Until he met a woman that used drugs recreationally. They hooked up and he stayed away from the drugs for awhile but eventually started back up again.

They married and she became pregnant. During her pregnancy their drug use became an addiction and by the time my cousin was born he started robbing convienance stores to pay for their habit. When my cousin was only 3 months old my Uncle went back to prison and is still there to this day.

He threw away his chance at EVER being a father to his daughter for drugs.

Unfortunately thats not the absolute worst of it. His wife continued to use drugs and eventually started prostituting herself out to other men. My cousin lived most of her life with my greandparents but would occationally want her mother so badly they would relent and let her go spend some time with her. As a result not only was my cousin deeply emotionally and physically abused by her mother. One night her mother was so stoned she had men coming in and out paying to have sex with her and she was pretty much oblivious to it. One of the men decided they wanted something a little more lively and raped my then 8 yr old cousin.

So I don't care what arguements ANYONE has for the pros of drug use. My uncle came from a very loving upeer middle class home. My Grandparents tried desperately to get him help many times over. If you met my uncle you would think wow what a great guy how did he end up here? He is intellegent, funny, and very loving.

But the fact of the matter is that his drug use and abuse led not only to his incarceration but also to my grandparents raising their grandchild (which in itself was a huge burden as neither was very healthy) and his daughter being abused in every way possible.

Costacat

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whooosh.... thanks Squared! <wink>

So, then you would also call my friend, who died of AIDS-related complications, a drug user because he used marijuana. Which, in fact, WAS PRESCRIBED BY A DOCTOR for medical reasons.

I still want to know why the original poster wanted to know who'd been using drugs. And yeah, OK, they've talked about it. But who cares? Are they using drugs in the house right now? Nope. Does their past drug usage have any impact on you right now? Nope. Does the fact that they have indulged in recreational drugs affect their potential worth to society? Nope. (Actually, I think less so than their exposure on BB, but that is a whole 'nother thread!)

Costacat

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okie, there is a difference between drug USE and drug ABUSE. One does not necessarily lead to the other.

P.S. This is another one of those threads where there is going to be absolutely NO agreement ever. Period. We should just all agree to disagree. And anyways, this is no longer a thread about BB.

Okiekerriella

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree as I said in my post, Social use of pot may not seem like a big deal, and for the majority of people that use it its not and never will be. BUT there are ALOT of people out there that are adversely effected by drug use and to see the HG trivialize it just makes me sick.

Woodpecke®

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 04:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bragging on national T.V. that you've tried almost every illegal drug is not only stupid, but classless and embarrassing.

Kalekona

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okiekerriella - sad story, but try this one..I was raised by my grandparents and my mother never did drugs. She was still a terrible mother and I was better off. It was a burden on my grandparents as well... and as I said she didn't use drugs at all ever.

And costa I'm with you my brother has aids and smokes his "salad" to help with the effects of the perscribed drugs he's on, and to give him an appetite so he'll eat.

Big difference between "use" and "abuse"
I've seen more lives ruined by alcohol than I care to count.

When my husband was in the navy they started UA's I watched as good men were punished for smoking and at the same time you could watch the guys come off the ships for lunch and head right over to the club...

Costacat

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point, Kale. Good parentage does not have anything to do with drug usage, or not.

And yup, the only way Sean could keep any weight on was with the marijuana. It also helped to alleviate some of the nausea associated with the 20 or so meds he had to take daily.

I've lost more friends to alcohol than I have to drugs.

Woodpecke®

Monday, August 04, 2003 - 05:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The comparison between alcohol and other drugs is always a weak argument. When I encounter people in my every day life that use drugs or abuse alcohol, I instantly feel pity for them knowing how much better life is without using those substances as a crutch. I'm just thankful I don't waste my time looking for ways to kill brain cells.