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Tdot

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 06:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I assumed this would be the topic of the Dumb and Dumber thread when I first saw it, but it wasn't. The highlight, for me, from last night's show was when the houseguests were given the first clue.

Ali says, "Erika came up with the idea that it could be New York, New York, a casino in Las Vegas. Also, Washington, DC - Washington being the Apple State. It's another possibility."


...wiping away tears of laughter...

Bracken

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I know Tdot, there was definitely no IQ test given to these people. Too bad you didn't catch the live feed when Ali was explaining the bombing of Pearl Harbor -- she saw the movie and thinks it was historically accurate, lol. Ben Affleck gives a history lesson. It's just a shame Jack had been evicted at this point.

How do you get Washington DC from Washington State, lol. At least Jee (as wrong as he was) picked Seattle because of the apple clue. Ali was also talking about the Vietnam Memorial and calling it the "big wall with names on it, haha.

As my father would say (and he always corrected my grammatical errors, so this was pure sarcasm) "These people don't know nothing."

It just amazes me that many of these people have College Degrees. What has happened since I finished school? I guess a good liberal arts education is hard to find. But then, Ali wasn't studying history, she was enrolled in Manipulation 101, 201, etc.

Rhett

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali and Erica are not brilliant but they did come up with the right answer.

Naja

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika to Ali while figuring out more possibilities: "Is there anything going on specifically like an event?"

Ali: "Monday Night Football starting, that's it.."

Erika: "Where?"

Ali: "It's starts everywhere."

LOL

Tdot

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bracken, what I find amusing is that I'm Ali's age and have just completed my University degree. But I'm Canadian.

So, with all other things being (relatively) equal, an American should have, at least, a better idea about her country's capital than a Canadian simpleton such as myself, no?

About Pearl Harbor, it is a shame, although I'm sure most moviegoers who don't know history took the film as the actual events that occurred. [insert sarcasm] I mean, movies are always historically accurate, aren't they?

Jee's guess wasn't that bad at all, but I didn't think he made a good connection with the video tape.

Marameko

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought this thread might be about Jee and Robert..........<giggling>.

Cliotheleo

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As inexcusable as it is, I'm afraid that Ali apparently not knowing the difference between DC and the state is not all that a-typical (I'm holding out hope that she just didn't explain herself correctly. She lives TOO close to DC to not know the difference.)

One of the ladies I work with is from Bosnia and she's taking her citizen ship test in a couple of months. I have a masters degree in history so I have little big of knowlege when it comes to civic stuff :) so I'm always quizing her to get her ready. SHE gets the answers right almost every time, our co-workers, who were BORN in this country, rarely do.

Just as an example, what year was the Constitution written? (no cheating!)

Cliotheleo

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mara, this is the "Dumb and Dumberer" thread, the "Dumb and Dumber" thread, which IS about Jee and Robert is down the page. :)

Costacat

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Clio, you posted what I was about to say. It's a very sad but true fact that MANY Americans do not know much about states, capitals, or even our own history. It's also a known fact that those who study for citizenship exams know much more about our history and stats than those of us who were raised here.

For those of you who have been out of high school for some period of years, pursuing regular jobs, marrying, and so on, well, how many of you can still recite the capital cities of all 50 states? I know I can't. I even have problems placing the location of Arkansas without looking at a map of the US.

That said, I do think Ali knows the difference between the Washingtons (DC and the state). I think she just misspoke, and it was caught on tape, and an editor decided to air it. I'm sure if she'd said it out loud in the house (and not the DR), someone would've laughed, she'd have realized what she'd say, and corrected herself. I'm not a big Alison fan, but I do have to give her some credit. She's seemed to be fairly intelligent and, on some level, we've all said thinks incorrectly. (Not to get into a major political discussion, but can you day "President Bush"?)

Tdot

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Strategery!

Cliotheleo

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mara, hope you don't think I was correcting you up there, I was being silly, but I see now it may have not come across that way.

LOL! @ Costa and Tdot!

What555456

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just as an example, what year was the Constitution written? (no cheating!)

OK, Clio, I will bite -- but am going to hedge as well.

The Constitution was written in 1787-88. Ratified in 1789.

Now, give me the right answer and make me look like a fool! <g>

Of course, I am one who does not think questions such as this are as important to know as understanding the sweep and influences in history. Rather than being concerned that people do not know the year in which the Constitution was written, I am far more concerned when I read about the periodic experiment where the Bill of Rights is written word for word (but without title) and then presented to Americans as a petition to be sent to the government for new laws. Almost every time, a large majority of those who are approached do not know what it is and will not sign it because it is too radical or they disagree with what it says.

But then, this is WAY off-topic.

Cliotheleo

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's correct What. I was a little vague in my question because I was having trouble articulating myself at the time. What I was looking for was the year the Constitution was signed, which of course was September 17th, 1787.

That's funny about the "petition" I hadn't heard about that one.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali knew Washington DC and state of Washington were two different things. I heard her talking about it on the Live Feeds. Never forget - Editing is everthing.

R151996

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good catch, Gina. On the live feeds Ali definitely inserted an "or" between DC and the state of Washington. And she was quick to admit her lack of geographical expertise.

I don't want to be too hard on Jee and Robert for their guesses. After being confined for eight weeks they (and even Ali and Erika) couldn't really make themselves believe that the producers would actually send Jun to New York.

The Pearl Harbor convo was one of Robert's better recent moments. At least he panned the movie for its limited historical accuracy among other things. And visiting the U.S.S. Arizona Memorial did leave an impression on Ali as she conveyed the solemn nature of the experience. It's still on my list of must-visit places.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One thing I'm certain of - Alison is NOT dumb. She may play dumb on TV, but she isn't in real life. She graduated a good school with a 3.5 gpa. She mentioned taking AP Physics in High School too. Keep in mind she was a nationally competitive figure skater in H.S. too. Not to be too stereo typical, but figure skaters tend to be extreme over achievers.

Does anyone know Alison's last name? Has anyone done a google to see what her rankings in ice skating were? Her mom said she was in dance and in singles.

I'm pretty sure if you did some testing, Jun and Alison would far surpass any of the other HGs currently in the house in any type of inteligence testing.

R151996

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, it's Irwin. Here is a link to Ali's primary fansite that includes bio information and pictures of Justin and Donny provided by her mother.

http://www.alisonirwinonline.com/

Bastable

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Dumb and Dumberer".... is this a thread about how Arnold Shapiro and Allison Grodner cast the lover of a former runner-up?

Countrymeadow

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My 2 favorite dumberererer things out of Ali's mouth:

"Women who live together get their periods at the same time because there are "hormones" floating in the air."

" Paul Newman? Who is Paul Newman? "

It's just sad.......

Gina8642

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 05:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
countrymeadow - what Ali said is a proven scientific fact. Many studies have confirmed it.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 05:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
it may not be hormones exactly, maybe phermones, but she has the point correct.

Jigglywigglyjun

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 05:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the reason Ali and Erika where having a little trouble ( they did say MTV awards a few times) is that they where having a hard time grasping the fact the BB would ACTUALLY let Jun go there...

As for the "dream team"... <giggles> Now they are dumb... And Jee even more given the fact that HE lives in NYC....LOL

Seanflynn2003

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 05:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Another factoid -- New Mexico's licence plates now say "New Mexico USA" because too many out of state drivers were being stopped to check to see if they are illegal immigrants.

Texasdeb

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 05:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My workplace of 16 only has 3 females. Our cycles are now all around the same time. It's not something you normally discuss until you get comfortable around your work team - We've commented that this is weird & always joke & feel sorry for the 13 guys that have to put up with one wk a month in h@ll!

Cangaroo

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SeanFlynn...when did NM start doing that? I grew up there and am disheartened to hear that "The Land of Enchantment" is not on there...or is it still...only they've added the USA part?