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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Finally!! A Gutless Houseguest Plays The Tearful "Financial Need" Card: Archive through September 02, 2003

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 07:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The game is supposed to be houseguests stranded in an isolated dwelling, no contact with the outside world. Last player in the house wins $500,000. In my opinion, winning should not be determined by who needs money the most. It doesn't matter to me if Jun owns 77 pairs of black shoes or if Danielle has a family to support. I couldn't care less if Will is a doctor or Eddie had a tumor and lost a leg. If this game had anything to do with needy people, they could comb the country for social workers making $14 K a year or widows with 5 children who lost their job and are about to be evicted. Allison has played a fine game, until tonight. Her catty remarks reeked of jealousy and hate. In fact, she throws the word "hate" around quite often. I don't normally root against a houseguest this vehemently, but Alison winning would reward behavior I find repulsive. This is a game, and her reasons for needing the cash should remain personal. Dragging her boyfriend's financial status into the discussion was tacky and embarrassing. I truly think it's time for her to get back into civilization and resume the rest of her life. She obviously doesn't appreciate the golden opportunity she received. See ya, Alison.

Jbean

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 07:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
she was just trying to get erika to feel sorry for her/stroke her ego, and it apparently worked. FAKE! i think even robert would beat alison in the final 2. ugh. sickening.

Ruskybiz

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 07:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ditto Wood.

Tobor7

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 07:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali can't win. Her only chance is against Robert, and she was smart enough to figure that out. But even against him she can't win the big money. She changed sides two too many times.

I hate the "poor me, I need the money" play.

My wife actually stopped watching with me tonight she was so disgusted with Ali. "I can't stand her so much, it is not even fun not liking her. I'm going to do something else."

And there you have it.

Smokey

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 07:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tobor--I can relate to your wife cause I start feeling that way many times. I can't stand her playing on Erika's compassionate side and I'm hoping Erika gets smart enough to see thru the bull.

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison has been told since she was a young girl that she is better than everyone else. Her immature outlook on life and other people should serve as a valuable lesson of how not to treat others. A pampered child used to getting her own way. Not this time.

Saggkl

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Tabors wife completely. It was disgusting. And to think she will probably win at least second place unless something happens to really stir things up. I can't even imagine what would put the skids to her now.

Bracken

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So true Woodpecker. These young people really should read Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged." Too bad they don't make that book required reading to get a college degree.

Anyway, on so many of these reality shows lately, it seems that people of a certain age make decisions based on the financial status of the participant. Remember when they voted out the Dentist on Survivor because he had a Porsche.

I also think that Matt's family financial status and his own had something to do with his second place finish on the last survivor. Don't forget Jenna played the sick mother card with hospital bills to pay.

Apparently, these folks are confused and see these reality shows as a government program to help the financially disadvantaged.

However, I do think Alison is smarter and shrewder than that and was looking for sympathy during this tearful speech, lol. She hasn't pulled the crying act out for a while now. Too bad, I thought she had retired it.

Tobor7

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When I told my wife that there are actually people on the internet that like Ali she couldn't believe it. She said... "See, you're right. There is an A$$ for every seat in America."

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"These young people really should read Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged." Too bad they don't make that book required reading to get a college degree." Bingo! Jackpot! Give Bracken the $500K.

Mrose4243

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bracken, I read Atlas Shrugged when I was 19, and it sure changed my view of the world. Oddly enough, I recently bought a copy and I'm reading it again right now!

Steveh

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm out of lurkdom to register this:

Alison is the most despicable houseguest EVER.

I don't mind a player who will do anything to win--e.g. Dr. Will--as long as, at least in the diary room, they say that's what they're doing. But Alison won't even 'fess up there.

No charm, no brains, no nothing, yet there she is. To the poster whose wife quit watching because Alison isn't even fun to hate anymore: ICAM. But your wife is apparently much healthier than I since I can't quit watching.

I'm a teacher at university and I "know" lots of young women like Alison--described well by Woodpecker in this thread--but most of them, nearly all of them have some redeeming quality, have shown some indication that they are capable of self-awareness, learning and changing. I haven't seen any of those qualities in Alison. I think she'll only get worse until her complete break with reality in 10 years or so. Ugh. Ugh. And argh.

Mrose4243

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Also odd that this book came up for discussion on September 2nd!

Tobor7

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Steve... she could have a break with reality when she has to face a week with the knowledge that she will be the last one to NOT make it to the finals.

Smokey

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I sure hope you're right Tobor--not sure I trust that though. She has pissed her way to where she is (HAH that's the only word I could think of to describe how she's played LOL)

Steveh

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tobor -

On the one hand I wonder if she WILL realize that even when she's walking out the door. On the other hand, it's gonna be some GREAT viewing if she does. I bought the live feed late and it's been a pain in the a** lately re. the technology, but Alison realizing that of the three left, she will be the one winning nothing and me getting to watch it . . . television doesn't get any better.

While I'm at it, I'd also like to register my opinion that Alison is NOT SMART, but she does have a profound animal cunning and the sharp survival instincts of an ultra-paranoiac, both character traits are shared by most sociopaths. LOL

Diacritical

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If there was ever a houseguest that epitomized objectivist sympathies, it's Ali. If she is willing to abuse Erika's subjectivist leanings, then all the better (and intrinsicly objectivist).

Frankly though, Ayn Rand never wrote a word that was worth the ink she abused to put it to paper. One of my major complaints about Ali is that she embodies objectivist materialism and greed (Peikoff's objections to the combination not withstanding).

That said, I do wish the HGs were a little more literate and curious.

R151996

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm shocked that several of the vicious comments against Ali in this thread haven't been moderated. Ali's comments toward Jun were totally part of her game strategy, and if you haven't figured that out yet then you're being played by her more than she's playing the HGs.

Ali's code for those who need translation:
"I hate ---" means "I have a secret alliance with ---." Ali's comments didn't violate any rules, and though her intention was to draw sympathy and nothing else she's right that 77 pairs of shoes is an excessive number.

If any of the HGs left haven't figured out Ali by now, then they don't deserve to finish ahead of her in the game.

Misslibra

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think anyone in the house right now will beat Ali. Ali is playing for second place even if she goes up against Robert. I hope she knows that.

That wasn't cool at all to bring up her BF financial woes. It's not the first time I have heard her mention this.

And she have done a lot of things in this game she is going to get pay back for. But I don't think she is the most despicable. I thought Robert won that award.

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When the producers, directors, and casting department of Big Brother are looking for potential contestants, I'm sure women such as Alison perk their interest and make them desirable for ratings points. With the focus this season on younger players and former relationships, I am personally satisfied that this installment of BB will be known forever as a complete failure. The entire game seems to cater to preening wannabes with no respect for morals, civility or family relationships.

Diacritical

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
R151996 -- you have it right. She's my choice to win after Erika -- and only because I do like Erika more. There is a reason that the few left are the mix they are -- and they are all fairly similar except for Erika. Jee and Robert have a toxic view of women and Jun just grates on my nerves. I'd rather Dana come in and replace any one of the three. Ali I can at least stand, even if she lacks Will's gleeful muckraking and Dani's ability to separate game from reality in the DR. She'd have been be a much better player were she about 35 or so.

Countrymeadow

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Talk about a twist.......LOL

Let's just assume that she won't use the Veto to save herself....and let's just assume that Robert and Erika see through her.....uhm.......

Hello Marcellas!!!!!! ROFL. Can you imagine the look on this girl's face if she is evicted tomorrow? <covering eyes>

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"I'm shocked that several of the vicious comments against Ali in this thread haven't been moderated." Very interesting. I see nothing "vicious" here. Alison's use of her boyfriend's lack of funds, combined with tears and her own description of her family's economic condition, seems destructive at first glance and completely embarrasing upon further inspection. Asking moderators to enter a discussion about a game show tactic seems trite as well. This board functions well without the help of tattletales.

Tobor7

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
R151--
Maybe the mods watched tonight's show and feel that the comments made are fully warranted.
Nobody said she broke any rules. She just turned a lot of people OFF with that terrific personality of hers. She has that great voice, I could listen to her read the telephone book and be riveted. Her facial expressions are simply darling. She phrases everything with such finesse. (How's that?)

Steveh-- as far as tech probs w/RealOne...I feel you pain-- So go to the tech section of TVCH. There is a link there for beta testers of RealTV. Go get it and install it. It is perfect. Changed the entire live feed experience. You will never use RealOne again. You can thank me in advance. (Plus, I hope to see you in the Chatters Thread tonight. Now that you are out of lurkdome you should toss a few in.)

Steveh

Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
R151996 -

So when Alison says she HATES Robert (she said it at least 100 times in the last two days) that means she has an alliance with him? I don't think so.

While we're at it, how about decoding these Ali words for me

A**hole
Creep
Creepy
Gay (said in a tone that implies there's something inherently wrong w/ being gay)
F***er

There was a vignette on the show today that perfectly encapsulates Ali. Jun told Ali that Jee said Ali was insanely jealous of Jun being at the VMA (I thought his recounting was fairly accurate) and Ali went ballistic (I think she may actually believe that she wasn't jealous of Jun) and then called Jee an--you guessed it--a**hole.

Oh wait, according to you, that means Ali and Jee have an alliance too?

LOL