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Lauram

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lance: I do agree that it's harsh to judge Jack by his ability to play bacci. But I certainly can tell a lot about someone by a single act involving a ball .

Scorpiomoon

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, I'm sure Jack is a great guy--a decent human being, a great father and husband. But come on, you guys! He SUCKS at this game! He deserves to leave next week simply because he is such a weak player.

Pulk

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jack hit the ball off the lane with far too much angle. If you are gonna mess up its more likely to be by throwing it too hard than going too soft.

You also have to wonder if Jack is trying to do a Will Kirby.

Dipo

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But Scorpio, isn't that the ticket, if you are a weak player, then you are not a threat, need to get rid of the stronger players first. And Will never won anything!!

Maris

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Was Jack playing here. He tells Jee that he figures he and Erika are on the block so he is making a pitch for Jee to keep Erika because she is a better player. He has said that at least four times, Erika is a much better player and can play the game well but I have played this game badly. Erika deserves to stay based on her gameplay. Jack tells Jee he is a terrible player and doesnt deserve to stay. So is Jack trying to get Jee to dump Erika?????

Stingerman

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well Jack will be put up but he will end up being the Pawn unless Erica wins the POV (if there is one?). Both Robert and Jee have already stated that Erica would win a long endurance test against any of them and they don't want to take a chance and would rather just beat Jack since he doesn't win anything.

I think Jack is safe this week.

Too bad I'd love to see Ali get the boot.

Saggkl

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did we just lose a bunch of posts on this thread?

Wendo

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris said, "Come on guys admit it. This guy is the worst player in BB history."

No need to admit it. Like you, I've been saying all along he stinks. One of the WORST BB players I've ever seen. Horrible alliance teammate. Not able to back you up or compete in competitions.

Either that, or he's just royally screwing up purposefully. And, maybe. He sure sounded like he was intimating to Jee that Erika was the stronger player. He may have been saying, vote me out. But, like others, he could be doing reverse psychology.

Puzzled

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've got to say, I'm totally confused about Jack. Even if he's laying low, who would want to be in the last two with him? Even if he hasn't done much, he doesn't seem to have made any enemies.

If he threw this on purpose, then I think he made a big mistake.

Lancecrossfire

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll ask again since no one whas been able to answer this: for those who think Jack is throwing the competition, what is his incentive to do so??? If he gets nothing out of it, he has no reason to do it. He gets something out of winning--another week in the game. By losing, he has a good chance of getting tossed. So, why would he throw it?

Sherbabe

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What is crazier that Jack not winning this competition, is Robert raising his arms in victory like he just accomplished an amazing feat. He has not done squat.

There are others that should have won this. Alison may have just dug her own grave. The boys know she is playing both sides of the fence and so do jack and erica.

Maris

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert has won two POVs.

Wendo

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lance, he gets to look weak. While Erika, in comparison, looks strong. (She won the endurance HOH for instance. And, we know that one of the last tasks to win is endurance.) By appearing weak, he may hope the others will want to get out those who win competitions.

However, this year, it seems the targets are obvious alliances. So, the fact that he's in a visibly strong alliance, appearing weak may not help him; even if that's his tactic.

I suppose we'll find out more of what he's thinking during Saturday's show.

Wendo

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sherbabe, but, Ali actually may have helped herself tonight with Robert and Jee. She came in second after Jee. They may perceive that as her trying to win HOH. And, she told them if she won she would protect them. So, she may have earned points for coming in second, ya know.

Pulk

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Robert has won two POVs"

Both were handed to him on a plate.

Stingerman

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Easy Lancecrossfire it's all about the endgame and who you think you can get votes from.

Jacks plan seems to be not to piss anyone off and be everyone's friend.

If he doesn't seem like a threat then maybe he won't go. At least that's what Jack is trying to get accross to the others.

All most like hostage negotiations you don't want to piss off the person with the alleged power so they do something harsh.

Lancecrossfire

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
By losing, he has no chance for controlling his destiny. By winning he does control it. I still don't see why the former is safer for him that the latter.

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack is saying to Erika, "It's killing me that I let you down tonight, I'd have done anything for you, it's the worst day I've had here."

So to think that he tonight's competion means that he just lied to Erika.

Un-uh. Ain't happenin.

Stingerman

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Again Lancecrossfire Jack doesn't want to win HOH because he would then have to put up 2 people and risk pissing them off.

He is basically playing the same strategy that Danni played last year except he is being extra nice to everyone in the house. (BECAUSE HE WANTS THERE VOTES IF HE MAKES IT TO THE END). I don't see how this could be made any clearer.

If you recall Danni didn't get HOH at all last year. Her big problem was her BiG MOUTH.

Now is this the greatest plan in the world? Well maybe and maybe not. Time will tell.

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, but Dani was much more successful in flying under the radar than Jack is.

If you look at the back of the shirt he's wearing right now there's a big word on it and it says "threat!" :)

Fruitbat

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lance, it is not safer for him to throw it. That is the confusion. It looked as though he did.

The question is.....what was his logic if he did duck it?

The only reason that question has come up; it looked like he did and his dialog with Jee supports that theory. I think the lady(Jack) doth protest too much. He is jamming the information that he is a lousy player down Jee's throat. That has raised a red flag in many of our minds.

Scorpiomoon

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 08:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A request to all Jack fans:

As a personal favor to me, could you guys please stop comparing Jack to Will? There really is no similiarity between the two of them. Will was a mastermind. I don't know what word to use to describe Jack, but I do know he is not even close to playing this game with the same brilliance Will did.

Yoyo

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Time will tell, Scorpio. I'm having a hard time figuring him out also. How can an ex FBI agent be so inept at everything? It just doesn't make sense.
Either way, Erika will have second thoughts about continuing their alliance if they survive this week. He's not helping her at all.

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can we compare Ali to Will? (kidding)

Fruitbat

Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 09:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
:) Scorpiomom. I am with you there!