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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: 3 weeks later- has it gotten better??: Archive through July 29, 2003

Crossfire

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
3 weeks later...yes it is better if only because we are getting to know the real house persona's of the cast. Things are churning now, tension seems to be building, I personally look forward to seeing how they resolve their current situations, and what events will lead us down the various paths.

As compared to other BB's. Well, they are all different so far, I guess that is the distinctive feature of BB USA.

I don't have a favorite yet, and I actually prefer it that way. Once I get hooked on someone, I start treating the game differently, less objectively.

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was completely riveted to my screen the day Wally attached the tow chain to Lumpy's axle and ripped it clean off the undercarriage of the car. BB 4 could never match that for pure entertainment. When Beaver got his head caught in the fence....

Bohawkins

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Remember in BB1 how it turned into such a love fest that they all banded together and for a brief moment they were all going to walk out together? Maybe after all the division and tension has been spent that will happen here.

But first, first they would have to get rid of Nathan, Dana, Allison, Robert Jun, Erika and Justin.

Then Jee and Jack could have that love fest.

Cinder

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Zachsmom. I like the drama. It is the same with Survivor every year. It is more about the game and less about the cast. Amazing Race is a different story.

Sheilaree

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is boring I did get rid of my live feeds waste of money. I have a feeling this will be the last year for Big Brother but they are signed up for 2 more years. Boring year get rid of everyone and start over.

Bastable

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 09:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's definitely better! I don't need to have "good" people and "bad" people to make this show interesting. It's fun watching these folks flip-flop and it's a blast to see them gradually take things more and more seriously as the game goes on. It's what I watch for.

This show is definitely better now than even a week ago!

The Clubhouse, though, is filling up with negative threads. It's almost like there's a campaign by a few of us to make everyone hate the show. It is worse than it was a week ago.

Scorpiomoon

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it has marginally gotten better.

I think Arnie went wrong with putting too much emphasis on the X-Factor. Unlike past years when they cast many charasmatic people who were truly riveting to watch, this year they were willing to overlook lack of that "certain something" with the hope the X-Factor would make up for it.

Instead they got a house full of really miserable people.

It's hard to watch people you don't have respect for, don't feel a connection with and just don't like.

Maris

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bastable are you saying there is a good side and a dark side to TVCH????? lol.

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Even if we think the show is juvenile, poorly devised, boring and without merit compared to the orginal concept, the TV Clubhouse is still here and just having the group together is something to enjoy.

Bastable

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just think it's hypocritical that when some people disagree with the bashing and negativity going on among the HGs, they turn to their computers to these threads and post... bashing and negative comments! Hello, can you say ironic?

Zachsmom

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ironic

Lurknomore

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bastable I don't think it's in any way a "campaign" here. I just think for many of us we anxiously waited all year for our favorite addiction to be back, and rather than get it, we ended it with one massively huge disappointment.

I thinkt he fact that so many here are speaking in a unified voice about how horrid it is versus our usual HG debates, etc speaks volumes as to the dire situation the show is in. And I think this reflects America's viewpoint...if you go to the CBS site and look at the rating you have Jack, Dave and Justin getting high marks and everyone else is just miserable. Last I heard rating were plummenting. So I don't think this is just a group mentality join the bandwagon deal....I think it IS the deal REGRETFULLY :(

Bastable

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I respectfully disagree. I think negativity is contagious.

Lurknomore

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
PS...if I could wave a magic wand. I would bring back day when we sat here laughing at HG's when they annoyed us. But the difference is they did things that may not have been our style, but they didn't (with some exceptions--two words; Shannon, toothbrush) repulse us with their behaviors.

There were enjoyable moments. Poignent moments. FUN threads. I even tried to join in the things I like about BB thread this year and after massive brain wracking I came up with what 2 or 3 things?

If you give me ground turkey to prepare for dinner, regardless of being the excellent cook I am (she says modestly) I will not be able to serve you filet mignon.

Edited to add: I respectfully disagree back!

Maris

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert walks around naked???? Thank god I missed it.

Scorpiomoon

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
WHAT????

Did Robert actually SAY THAT?

Oh man, don't let me rehash the: "Are Robert's parenting skills inappropriate" debate again!

Does he not have a brain in his freakin' head?

Crossfire

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope this does not turn him off the show, but I am finding myself agreeing with Bastable quite a bit lately. :)

Bastable

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 11:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crossfire, you know I love you.

Sbw

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Who is putting what in the water that is causing all of these "feelings"? Crossfire and Bastable expressing mutual admiration and I agree with BOTH of them.

Gemma120in2002

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think what I miss is the funny nastiness. Remember Marcellas and Amy? They were a howl! And when Marcellas got into a fight with Tonya, that was high drama. Gerry using the power of Veto on Marcellas and getting melodramatic in the process. Roddy and Chiara secretly plotting to seduce Jason and Amy in order to manipulate them. Eric talking in his sleep. Dani grinding her teeth. Dani showing one face to the houseguests and then being completely candid in the diary room. Too funny!

Before that group, Chilltown and TOP. There were things we gasped at in disbelief, there were things that caused us to laugh our heads off.

I think that there is a difference in the overall feeling in the house. There is a very strong hatred running through this show because of the X-factor. People split up for a reason and the houseguests being put into the house with their ex-boyfriend/girlfriend has been extremely cruel. The most interesting thing is that Dana is the most vocally spiteful person there, now that Scott is gone. But she's caught up in the X-factor too because of her attraction to Justin.

Muse

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 01:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Once Dave's gone tomorrow, I think I'm done with watching the show. I'd like to say I'm done with the show completely, but I've said that before and know I'll hang around here and follow the major happenings. I might even start watching again if Jack and Erika somehow turn things around and make a comeback (which I highly doubt, but you never know...). But watching the show regularly? The feeds? Nope. I really think I'm okay with not having them. I missed an episode last week and found that I didn't really care. These people are just *so* hateful that I don't enjoy watching them. I find myself getting annoyed with the show since it tries to make people like Robert and Jun likable (ick!). Does the show think they can be like Will? Because while Will could be despicable at times, he had tremendous charisma, a great sense of humor, and (arguably) a good side. He was a rare find -- manipulative yet relatively likable.

Arnie seems to have decided that a show can run on "villains" stirring up drama alone. Personally I REALLY like having someone to root for. It was fun having ChillTown and the Six Pack in BB2 and BB3 since they caused drama and then ultimately got their comeuppance because they were outnumbered. This time around, the "good guys" are outnumbered. I don't really care to watch them being eliminated, or to see this nasty bunch turn on themselves. It's just not fun for me.

I'm all for the idea of scrapping this season and starting over. :)

Lurknomore

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG Muse that was so me...I messed up taping a show last week and actually turned down a few gracious offers to send it to me. I found I really didn't care that I missed seeing it. How pitiful is that. Now I gotta get out of here. I did set the VCR for tonight but mostly cause I want to get what's likely the last of Dave time :(

Bbfanatic

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i cant wait for dave to be gone. mainly, because i already know what he is all about. he is a guy who tries to be jim carey. i am still curious about jack. i am wanting to see "the other side". sure, i dont know if he has another side. but then, i wont find out if he leaves. i dont necessarily dislike dave that much, i just dont see him bringing anything new to the table in the future.
i do think it is better now. i did not have any faves at that time. i do now.

Beruthiel

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 04:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've also often noticed how the mood of the house infiltrates its way onto the board, and it happened during every other BB, not for just this one, and it says volumes about BB4, that the general atmosphere is one of negativity.
Personally, I know I'm full of resentment at Arnie, for spoiling a good idea, and resentment towards these houseguests for being such unremitting nuts, and I know I'm being bitter, but I can't help myself! I'm so disappointed, and I agree that the best idea yet would be to cancel and start over!
I keep trying to look on the brightside, but it's uphill work, and only the cheery banter here keeps it bearable. I find I'm trying to ignore what the HGs are up to and to concentrate on the wits on the board - vastly more entertaining and nice to be around!
The only way in which I can agree that it's perhaps better than it was in the beginning is that yes, we do have some drama, but it's not the kind I'd go looking for, and the suspense factor is lacking, since everything is being locked up by monomaniac HOH's!

Bastable

Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 04:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To be fair to Arnie (gasp!), it's not just the X Factor that spoiled this one. It's the fact that this show requires players that are very comfortable with themselves--giant egos are necessary to survive this show. All of the Houseguests have egos so massive that they can't see past their own noses. They can't think of alternate scenarios--they can only believe that everyone would play the game as they imagine it.

This is a danger of casting these shows. To get good footage, Arnie goes with big egos. Often, the biggest egos do not translate into good game playing. It's the fault of the show's format.