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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Jun just said she will nominate Robt & Alli so veto can be used: Archive through August 31, 2003

Cameltoes

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 08:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like that she is doing Jee/Ali instead of Robert/Ali. Ali, in particular, did seem very suspicious since she didn't want to put Jee up initially. All of this Robert and Jee butt-kissing is hilarious to watch.

Meggieprice

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 08:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, I will like Jee/Ali too. Delicious!

C1mag

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 08:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meg I'm gonna bring it home for this entire board if I get on this show. There are some superior armchair players on this board. I'd be wearing tvch tshirts every eviction day as I walked someone to the door LOL


One of many key moves is to obviously look for the true Alpha female and align with her. Sit back and look for her though. Don't jump on the one that is trying to be the Alpha female. Watch the true one emerge and keep her close.

Kmjm

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 08:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Meggie, so much of what the women were saying is just what we have been saying here- all of us, men and women. It's very satisfying to hear.

C1, if you ever get on BB, promise you'll talk to the cameras and let us in on things!

Kalihiwahine

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 08:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When I started this thread earlier, Jun had just told ali/erika the title of this thread...

now Jun has told the girls that she will put up jee/ali...

I wonder how many times she will change her mind.

oh well.

... either way, hope half of jee-bert goes

Wendo

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I also want to add one additional thing. Even though Jun does have the "power" this week and is basically nuetering Ali's control of PoV, Jun is well aware that she is VERY exposed next week since she cannot go for HOH. If she kept both boys, she's well aware that Jee and Rob would stick together. And, we know Jee would based on his DR entries. Yes, he's been aligned with Jun, but in the end, it's all about the "Dream Team".

Say it was a final three of Jee, Rob, and Jun. And say Jee won the final HOH. Would he really take Jun to the final two over Robert? I don't think so; he'd be betraying the Dream Team and both Rob and Justin would be on the jury; he could lose their votes.

Thorntara

Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun is smart. She will put up Ali and Robert so that Ali will use POV, with the assumption by Jee that Robert is the target. When Ali removes herself, Jun will put up Jee. Ali and Erika are the only voters. If Jun can't get them to both vote Jee, then she breaks the tie and votes Jee.

What has snotbert won since being in the house? He isn't just flying under the radar...he's just dumb and incompetent. Jee is the guy to get out, and Jun knows that, and she's trying to do it without angering too many people. So, one of three things happens:
1) She puts up Jee, and Erika and Ali vote him out. Jun keeps Jee's vote in the finals.
2) She puts up Jee and Erika votes Rob out and Ali votes Jee out, and Jun sends Jee out. Risky, since she angers Jee, but Jee is apt to win something (like HOH) so it is safer than voting Robert out.
3) She puts up Erika, and Jee votes Erika out and Ali votes Robert out, and Jun sends Robert out. In this case, there is real danger in that Jee can win something (like HOH) and then, Jun is at risk.

I think Jun thinks the way to go is number 1. Jun knows Jee is the threat, and she knows that it is best to put him in a position where others vote him out. I give her credit. From reading live feeds today, I think Jee knows.

Then, next week, unless Robert can win HOH, he's gone, leaving the three girls.

Just MYOHB.

Rhett

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 07:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think if Jun is against Jee in the finals Jee will win
Ali will be mad and vote for Jee to win
Erica the same and vote for Jee to win
Justin will vote for Jee to win
Jack will vote for Jun to win
Nate will vote for Jee to win (Alison will convince him, plus he never liked Jun when he was in the house)
Dana who knows
Robert will for Jee to win.

Wgm

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chy, Its starting to look that way.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if the POV meeting will be held at the eviction like it was last year? I seem to remember Marc not using it and then instantly getting the boot. Is this right?

Lurknomore

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But Jun is not going to win unless she makes it to the finals (soft DUH lol). So she needs to ensure a way that will happen. She also needs to think who she wants left to go up against.

If she hasn't totally lost perspective she will manipulate this to get Erika out this week, or she may not have another chance. Right now no one in the house could win against Erika, whereas it becomes a crap shoot after that. Also, the only girls to have only spoken about the final 2 is Ali/Erika (not that I trust a thing out of Ali's mouth). I still think that Jun trusts Jee more than these girls (especially given how much she hated Ali until their desperation Alliance of late). If Jee would chill out and take it down a few hundred notches I think she would find a way to keep him...but if he keeps at Jun he's gonna blow it.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk - I totally agree, but I think Jee already blew it. He could'a stayed up until he decided to threaten Ali Tuesday night. Since then he's only added insult to injury. (Also, Robert's incredibly lame attept at HOH helped seal the deal.) However, things change and Jun is very good at this game.....

Although, even Jun's patience with Jee may be gone along with Erika's and Ali's....

Rhett

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 10:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurknomore what you said "If she hasn't totally lost perspective she will manipulate this to get Erika out this week, or she may not have another chance". I think she hopes Ali will do that. If she puts up Jee and Rob and Jee goes, and if Rob wins HOH next he would put up Erica. She doesn't need to trust Ali she just needs to believe Ali would rather face her in the finals than Erica.

Eeyoreslament

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The only thing I would add to this, is that Jun won't want to be the one responsible for Jee getting booted. Or....maybe she WOULD want to be the one responsible and the bitter EX plot finally works!!

Good point about the POV Gina1234555668989034873, that would be a great twist.

Happycamper

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 12:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why are nominations so late this week? (not that I am complaining....since everyone seems much happier)

Kappy

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 01:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1 ~ When you do get on the show, put some shaving cream on the two-way mirror late at night and write notes backwards to us!

Bb234finalist

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 01:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun and Jee are still aligned, watch and see...but she is going to be very careful about it. No matter what they have 7 years history together, through his dad's death and all, and no matter what they want to win, problem is they both want it as badly. I think they BOTH are smart enough to figure out Big Brother controls this game so I think even to them they are keeping their alliance under wraps. I could be wrong, but I think I'm right. Only time will tell. G'night all!

Wanderer

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 07:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that she will put Erica up this week. She and Jun have been keeping something from Erica. I don't think they are talking about next week. I still think Jun wants Erica out this week, Ali out next week so the F3 will be she and the boys. I know I've said this before and it is just a gut feeling I don't want to happen. I think this may be the time that Jun outsmarts Ali. The only thing to watch for is if Ali gets HOH and she will take out Jun and then Jee. I hope Ali fails to use the veto and not put Erica in danger.

Lauram

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We have so much speculation. "If this" "maybe she feels that" I wish they would be more open in the DR.

Justalittlebean

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you Wanderer, I think that Ali will use the veto to save herself and Erica will go up. Of course Robert will vote for Erica to be evicted, and Ali will vote to evict Jee, leaving Jun with the deciding vote. So it will be goodbye Erica. I think there is to much history and bond between Jun and Jee for Jun to evict him now. I hope I'm wrong. If I were Erica, I would be worried.

Maris

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 08:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jun has a flair for the dramatic. She knows that BB would love nothing more than the final two to be a pair of exes which means Robert and Erica or Jee and Jun. Jun would like to help big brother along with this and that would be her motivating factor in keeping Jee with her to the end. Big Brother can use the ex factor in its promotions for the season finale and Jun would love to play along with that. We dont know what suggestions are being made in the diary room to Jun and if I was a betting person I would say the Diary room is definitely playing up the idea of an ex finale to Jun.

That would also be a motivating factor to getting rid of either Erika or Robert so that She and Jee would be the only exes remaining.

Wanderer

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 08:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My hope now is for Ali to really be as smart as she claims to be and see through Jun's plan. Why so many people here believe that Jun will not go against Erica, I don't know. Someone a while back called her sneaky. I think that is a good word. She is quite the actress. Just look at her on the MTV awards. She acted like a movie star. I do give her credit for playing a pretty good game and think it is for her history with Jee. She is still crazy about him and the badmouthing is partly out of hurt and partly to convince the girls that she don't want him around. Watch out Ali! Are we really to believe she will do what she says? Is she that trustworthy?

Seamonkey

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 09:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think last week was a big step for Jun and Ali to trust each other. Either one of them could have been hung out to dry at voting time and been the only vote to evict Jack, but both came through as promised.

Jun usually does do what she promises. Last week she did tell Jee how she was voting. She didn't tell JEEBERT because she's tired of Robert being stuck, leechlike to Justin and Jee when they get HOH. Jee was HOH, and she told him how the vote was going.

I still think Jee will go this week. Jee or Erika are the threats at F2 but Jee seems to be a stronger foe. Also I think Jun can count on Jee to give her a vote at F2.

I know Ali and Jun seem to say they plan to evict Erika before they dump Robert and I think ALL of them find Robert repugnant but know he needs to stay around for awhile.

He's dangerous either way.. Any one of the three girls could think keeping Robert for F2 is the best way to win.

Stardust

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 09:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My first post ever!!! aaahhh! (I'm out of the closet, as you guys say. lol)

I too believe Jun will not evict Jee, she has said before that Jee needs the money, and they have had the only really "secret" alliance in the big brother house, I still believe they have that, although Jee's actions last week with the PB&J got to Jun, I don't think it affected their alliance in the least bit. I predict a Jee/Jun F2. Do you think Jun would beat Jee in the end? I think it would be close.

Lurknomore

Sunday, August 31, 2003 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Welcome Stardust!

I do have a question. It's why I came to the boards yesterday but got sidetracked lol. Has Jun said anything to anyone indicating who she is gonna put up to replace Ali? Also, do we know when all this is going down with the convoluted schedule from Jun's road adventure?! lol

Btw Rhett you do have a good point. But like Wanderer I have a guy feeling that SOMEHOW Erika not one Jee is going...but I don't mind as much lol. I would be ok with Robert going as well. But I'm still sticking my my sense that she has not given up on her alliance with Jee for a variety of reasons; history, ability to control him, who she trusts over others (I'd go for a man I dated 7 years over someone I hated and had a working 1 week alliance with), and the ever important how to get to the end and who she can win against.