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Minnyace01

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris - we don't agree often, but this time you are right on the mark. Nate did not show enough interest in her, brushed her off, and in her mind, that means he's gay.

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's my take on this outing issue

If so many things in people's private lives get revealed on BB, to say that if one is a closeted gay, that should be protected, but other things are fair game, suggests that being gay is worse than all the other things we learn about the HGs

This is BB -- any HG leaves him/herself open when appearing on the show

Again, I think this is theoretical in Nate's case, but I am uncomfortable with the idea that this is the love that dare not show its face position that it should not be revealed

R151996

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does Ali still have something for Justin--I believe she at least wants him to think she does.

Pamy

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does Nate know she said it yet?? I was glad they showed what a little biddy she is on tonite's show. I actually like Dana better!! Dana doesn't seem to use people they way Ali does.

Happycamper

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just wanted to note tonight, that Ali based her "outing" on a particular shirt Nate owns...as well as wearing a chain around his neck. Just thought I would point out that Jee seems to have a very similar gold chain that he wears around his neck. So does Ali think Jee is gay too? How rediculous are her justifications!!!??

I noticed the camera did a close up of Jee's chain, which is why I mentioned it. I think BB may show this on a future BB show.

Cliotheleo

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
*I* think she does ......... but I don't think she wants HIM to think she does. Although if he did .......... she would.

Get it? :)

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Nathan is gay....and I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ali didn't truly believe that either.

Ali using this statement to get Justin to distrust Nathan even more is not unlike many of our political leaders that present gay people as the boogeyman in order to rally their homophobic forces together. Ali was most likely simply making a despicable political move in order to attempt a "plan B" alliance with Justin.

It's too bad that "being gay" is so easily used as a rallying cry to turn people against one another....but then, this IS America! That's the nature of politics here. And, no, I'm not trying to take this thread into the political arena....but truth be told, BB is a political game....the winner is playing back room politics in order to make alliances and bring down the opposition.

Ali is detestable to be using homophobia to try and undermine anyone. (And this is what she is doing whether she believes that Nate is gay or not.) The bright side of this episode is that they finally portrayed her for the kind of person she truly is. THIS time it wasn't the editors that made a HG look bad...it was Ali!

Knightpatti

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali has a boyfriend. She has kissed Nathan. Played around with David. Yet, she is calling people names. She was showing off for Justin in the hot tub one night. Nathan could call her a few names himself, but he would not do that. I think he will be very hurt by her comment. She would have lost his vote in the finals if she is in that position in the end. If the hgs, were not sequestered this year.

Bastable

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From a legal standpoint, the producers had to say "openly gay" in the first challenge. It was not to plant any seeds. It was so that no one could come to the producers one day in the future, should any of the HGs happen to come out of the closet, and say that they lied by just saying "gay." You'll hear the same terminology used on the news and in other places--as in now, as the Epsicopal church debates its first "openly gay" bishop. It's because so many people are gay but say nothing. It's a way of the producers covering their butts so that there is only one right answer to the question.

Seanflynn2003

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bastable, I thought of that, but the question was raised in the food challenge, not for anything of great value
There was no concern that a HG would sue over that
Or that a gay HG afterwards would sue BB because they called him straight!

Jhezzie

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali's painfully obnoxious. I wonder if she's the princess that can do no wrong at home. After all, she knows everything. She evidently knows who will win, as she knows who has no chance, she knows the Bible, and who's really gay. I don't know how she keeps that big ol' brain, full of knowledge, from busting out the back of her head!:)

Maris

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jhezzie, I think the brain expanded to her nose. (sorry I couldnt resist)

Auntiemike

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Maris. Having a brain and knowing how to use it are two separate issues. ;-)

She gets on my nerves.

Bastable

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seanflynn, you have a point, but I actually used to write questions for a TV game show, and they always made us put a very fine point on all the wordings so that no one could ever come back to us and say we misled them. At the moment they held the food challenge, no HG was openly gay, although someone could very well have been gay and not telling. It was the only way to guarantee that there was only one correct answer at the moment they held the challenge.

Otherwise, if someone were to come out of the closet in 3 weeks' time, anyone could go back to the producers and accuse them of marking an answer wrong that should have been right, thus affecting the game's outcome. Trust me, these questions and answers are gone over with a fine-toothed comb by both CBS's lawyers and by Standards and Practices to make sure there is always only one right answer. On Jeopardy!, they can invite back the guests who come up with alternate correct answers. In a game like Big Brother, where it's all live and one competition affects the rest of the game, there are no do-overs.

Gina8642

Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kinda like how Survivor made sure only one Survivor had no piercings?

LOL

R151996

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The Nate issue has been discussed jokingly while all HGs were around the sofas just after 11:00 pm BBT Friday.

When what was shown on Friday's episode is compared to HG real feelings after this convo, TV show editing now appears to be totally out of context. But as usual, TV only viewers will probably not get proper context since this convo includes Nate being teased for having his "little red garden tomatoes" hanging out of his shorts while all HGs were on the sofas during the POV comp.

Spyder

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have been trying to sort all of this out. Here is my (highly opinionated) analysis:

1) Nate is not actually gay
2) Ali genuinely suspects that he is
3) The reasons for her suspicions are a)the fact that he doesn't fall all over her when she tries to seduce him (like most guys) b) some hurtful comments he has made to her (IE "get off me woman, I know where you've been") c) stereotypical ideas about dress and habits (colorful shirt, vain about appearance, shaving arms, etc.)
4) Ali is a <M>, and part of her motivation for telling Justin Nate was gay was a) to stir up trouble, b) to connect with Justin, c) to get back at Nate for his perceived slights and d) a ploy to isolate Nate from the other players
5) Things will get really interesting if this explodes in Ali's face

Justareader

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good points Spyder - we shall see.....

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Let's not forget one of Ali's sure for certain reason he is gay was his wearing a Hawaiian shirt.
Huh?????? My husband has a whole collection of them. Nate is/is not gay- whatever. That is his alone to know. I would say Ali definitely *is* ignorant and immature and dishonest.

Can't wait to see it explode Spyder.

What555456

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm Meggie...

All those hawaiian shirts, huh?

Puzzled

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
BB didn't have to ask that stupid question. They probably thought by asking it, it would arouse speculation and add "spice" to the show. Ho-hum.

(As to the Episcopalians, they're using "openly gay" to mean that the bishop has a partner, not just gay. A whole new meaning.)

Lardbrick

Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 05:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe we should consider the source. Justin said that Ali was a lying, manipulating, Bee-osh and he knows her better than anyone in the house. This is great strategy on her part to keep Nate on her side so he can protect her while planting seeds of doubt so the other HGs will eventually vote him out.

Bbwannab

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Anyone hear Ally say that she thinks they are smarter then last years HG? *~not~*

Cjr

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Bbwannab, I was ROFL because she was so serious.

Bbwannab

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I personaly think this years HG are all kinda boring.
Last year we had crazy Marcellas going aroung flaunting his gayness and talking/yelling back at the BB voice. That was very entertaining.
Then there was Amy, very crazy with her cheese and booze, then Gerry, he was interesting to watch. Don't forget the Lisa/Eric late night watching.
This years HG don't really do anything entertaining or intertesting.

Spyder

Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 06:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I must admit that I although this year is growing on me (OK, OK, I'm hooked) I am not FANATICAL like I was last year, glued to my monitor until 3 am. I have a real soft spot for last year's cast because they were SO entertaining. I was riveted. I do think it had to do with the fact that last year's crew was so intelligent.(MO)

Plus, Marci should collect royalties for Bravo's new hit show. He basically invented Queer Eye! (LOL) The producer says he got the idea in an art gallery, but I suspect he hatched it while watching Big Brother! :)