Jun & Allison want to be final 2 with each other
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Jun & Allison want to be final 2 with each other
Misslibra | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:33 pm     Mlt, Ali found out today Erika is no longer Robert's target. Ali knows Robert is going after her before Erika. Like you said she is smart and read Robert well today when she talk to him about the game. |
Jpgramma | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:34 pm     Earlier today (about 3:30 bbtime)there was a post in Jokers livefeeds. Ali was standing at the picture wall talking to herself and the poster 'thinks' she said ".. Damn, gotta hope Erika gets this sh*t" She then says "F'n Robert" I'm hoping this means that Ali IS being more honest with Erika than June. but who knows.. Ali probably lies to herself as well. |
Charvie | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:36 pm     The thing is Alison doesn't do well with game plan changes. She does feel closer to Erika and she doesn't like to make anyone mad at her or they feel that she betrayed them. ALison is going to throw the HOH. 1-she promised Erika she wouldn't put her up. 2-she told Robert she would rather get rid of Jun next. For her to than win HOH and put up Erika and Robert she'd be betraying both of them and that would be two votes she could of had that she won't have. Also if she does the math she needs Erika's vote and the fact that Jun voted Erika out is not enough of an assurance that Erika still won't vote against Jun. Never change plans with Alison because she doesn't handle change very well. Look what she did to Robert and Jee. All along it was Jack that was suppose to go. After Jee won Hoh there became this "new" focus on Erika. And we all know what she did in that situation. |
Wendo | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:37 pm     K9lover1 said, "Good point MissLibra - the big question is... who is ali lying to? One of them for sure. I can't help but believe that ERika really is backing Ali." I would say that she's lying to them all, and telling them all the truth, depending on who has the control and power. Does that make sense. She tells the other person exactly what they want to hear. I also think that if Rob won HOH and put Ali and Jun up, Erika would keep Ali. Erika recognizes that Jun's played a good game and hasn't pissed anyone off as much as Ali. I think Erika and Ali are also just a bit closer than Erika and Jun. However, if Ali gets HOH and she puts up Erika and Rob, it's Jun who'll cast the vote to evict Erika, not Ali. Personally, I don't want Jun and Ali to get Erika out, however, I do agree that it's a smart strategy. Jun and Ali would have a difficult time beating Erika at final 2. Ah well, such is BB. LOL! |
Misslibra | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:38 pm     Jp I hope your right, because Ali really cannot stand Robert and sure don't want him to win this game by some fluke, and because of that i think ali realize it is just to dangerous to take that chance and keep Robert in this game. And I don't think Ali needs Jun's advice on who to take out next Ali has her own game plan. |
Mlt | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:43 pm     Thanks for the update Misslibra. I haven't been around much today. |
Mlt | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:52 pm     You know, in some ways, right now Jun and Ali have opposite interests. Jun knows that Robert would take her to the final two over Ali. Ali knows that Erika would take her to the final two over Jun. So Jun wants Erika out before Robert and Ali wants Robert out before Erika. Boy, this game can sure make your head spin ;) |
Misslibra | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:55 pm     Mlt, Yes Ali told Jun she didn't think Robert is after Erika anymore. This was after Ali talk to Robert, which is the main reason Ali talk to him today to feel him out about the game. Robert knew this and wouldn't tell her who he was putting up if he got HOH. The first name out of his mouth without hesitation was always Erika but not this time. And that sent off warning flags to Ali, the smart girl she is, and this was without Robert telling her anything right out. It was more of what he didn't say that warned her and right she was. Jun thinks Robert is still after Erika which shows how out of the loop Jun is right now. Jun have been having so much fun torturing Jee before he goes she hadn't realize Robert's target has change and that Ali and Jun is now on Robert's hit list not Erika. Ali tried to tell Jun but Jun insist Robert is out for Erika. Now Jun just told the girl's Jee is trying to convince her to keep him in the house because he has her back and that Erika and Robert have a alliance now. |
Jpgramma | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 10:57 pm     I think you've hit the nail on the head Charvie. I was thinking the same thing. I've known people like Ali. With a deep seeded need for approval, she'll tell each person she's talking to what she thinks they want to hear at that moment. Problem for her is, how to do that and not get caught up in her own web of lies? This is why she spent so much time in the HOH last week trying to convince Jee and Robt that Jack was the one that should go. It went against her whole 'game' of trying to convince them she was one of them, same as she does with June when she's with June, and Erika when she's with Erika. As much as she wants to win this game, I really do think she may throw the comp rather than be caught publicly in her own web. She HAS made a pact with Erika that neither of them will put the other up as a pawn. So..how would she expain herself to Erika, and conversely, if she didn't, how would she explain herself to June? I think she really may hope that Erika wins this one. If Robt wins it, she knows she's going up but HOPES that Erika, who would be the only voter, would keep her safe. It will be a VERY interesting HOH. btw, Ali may realise that the best she can do is 2nd place, in which case she may actually be thinking of you, among the other 3 that will be left, she'd rather see win the big one. Erika has spent a great deal of time stroking Ali's ego. I'm hoping those efforts will pay off. |
Charvie | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 11:02 pm     And now Jun is doing the warn Erika trick. She has changed her mind about getting rid of Erika now. And now she will have to figure away to tell Alison with out telling Alison. Jee sent her a red flag and now she is at a lost because she has created this mess herself. So she is doing that Jee said to warn Erika of her own plan and in hopes Alison will catch on to what she is doing and change gears with her. |
Misslibra | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 11:02 pm     Yes Ali just might throw HOH and let Erika have it, because she knows Erika wants Robert out, that way Ali can still take out Robert and stick with her game plan, unless Robert wins HOH then Ali and Jun are up, with Jun leaving. I still wish Erika could make a secret alliance with Robert without the girl's knowing it. It would give her some extra protection. |
Songbird | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 11:05 pm     Jun knows she can't trust Ali, and doesn't really trust Erika either. She can't compete for HOH this week and figures that Ali will win HOH. By telling Ali that she will vote out Erika this week, she not only keeps herself off the block, but also can look better in Erika's eyes when she votes Robert out. Without this plan, she can't be sure Ali wouldn't nom her & Robert, taking the chance that Erika would vote her out over Rob. If Erika gets HOH, look for her to tell Erika that it would better to put Ali & Rob up since Erika can't trust Ali to not keep Rob. |
Misslibra | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 11:06 pm     Charvie, what did Jun say that made you think Jun has change her mind about evicting Erika. I missed it... Now Jee is stirring the pot with Jun, told Jun that Erika and Ali have plans to take out Jun, after he is evicted. Ali swears it isn't true. LOL |
Charvie | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 11:12 pm     I look at it this way, Jee has been saying all kinds of backdoor plans to Jun all week. Now, she actually feels the need to tell Erika after deciding with Alison to get rid of Erika before Robert. It's supicious to me. I think she thinks Alison told Robert about their plan and is doing the backtrack. I could be wrong. But this is Jun's modus operendi, remember what she did with Dana the week they wanted Jee to use the veto. |
Misslibra | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 11:12 pm     I'm glad Jee is stirring the pot I hope the DR encourage Jee to stir the pot some more before he goes. The DR always tell the HG's when they are on the block don't go without a fight. Jee I guess is going to put up a fight. I think Jun might believe Erika will vote to take out Robert and Ali will vote to take out Jee. If Jun is the tie breaker she might just keep Jee over Robert for her own protection, if Jee keeps filling up her head with this stuff. That would throw a ringer in Ali's plans big time. |
Misslibra | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 11:14 pm     Jee is very pissed off right now... |
Wendo | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 11:14 pm     Jpgramma said, "Problem for her (Ali) is, how to do that and not get caught up in her own web of lies?" She will get caught up in her lies. Unfortunately, in the game of BB, eventually your web catches you too. If Ali gets to the F2 it will be a matter of how well she untangles the web to the jury; and if they buy it. Oh, and Jee, he's definitely trying to create doubt in Jun, for sure. LOL! Too little, too late, imo. |
Seanflynn2003 | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 11:40 pm     Any HG who wins HoH next week has the chance to go the one person he/she is not going to put up and get a commitment to vote the way he/she wants. For example: if Robert wins HoH, and prefers to keep Erika, and wants Allison out, he should go to Erika and say just that: you aren't up if you promise to vote off Allison. To not do so is to blow a huge chance to maximize this HoH. |
Misslibra | Monday, September 01, 2003 - 11:49 pm     Sean, I have no doubt Robert would do that, but I wonder if Erika would keep her word to Ali ? That would be very interesting. |
Charvie | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 12:15 am     Got to love Alison and her paranoid ways. Jun and Robert talking shit about her in the bathroom with her eavesdropping. Ahhh Alison will have a hissy fit about this one. Jun may be screwed. |
Cameltoes | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 12:16 am     Really? I wonder how much she overheard. Jun better watch herself with that Ali cuz she would not hesitate to boot her next week if Erika wins HOH and puts her up against Robert. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 08:42 am     Jun's style isn't to run to each player.. as for Robert and Jee, they come to her and she and Ali talk. Erika and Jun have never talked all that much and as reported on one of the shows, Erika says she is "playing" Ali by treating her as her little protege/sister but mostly to keep Ali under observation, and Ali said she's letting Ericka treat her as her Barbie doll, but she doesn't need a sister.. still, with all this playing at closeness, I think they have developed some measure of.. closeness.. maybe. Jun will strategize but she won't kiss butt and she won't run around making promises.. just her style and we won't know what works until the end. She's lied less and she's still there, Ali's lied more and she's still there.. Erika's played "nice" and she's still there, Robert's played ugly and <gag> he's still there. Jun pretty much had to get the last hoh to stay in and that puts her in jeopardy this week, not being able to compete for HOH, but since she cannot compete this week, I think she sees little purpose in obsessing constantly. Jee's "warnings" are simply to portray himself as the protector, which is bogus because he was most vocal in telling everyone how unbeatable Jun suddenly was after going to the MTV awards show. It is like The Carousel on Crack now, and who will grab the brass ring???? Erika has never once said she threw HOH last week. I think I believe her, plus even if she had gotten that question right there would have been another question since they would have been tied.. so not a throw. And I don't believe Ali will throw HOH this time, either. She wants to see if she gets another sign from Donny  |
Reader234 | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 09:53 am     Has there been talk on the last HOH comp its usually a long outlast type of comp (ie the 'jail" comp?) or will no speculation thus far? Have the girls figured out they need to get rid of Robert ie the jury vote block? Am I asking too many questions that people already know the answers to? It seems to me Jun is the weakest in an endurance comp. be interesting to see who will be the last 3 standing, it sounds like it changes - about as fast as all the alliances!! |
Gvandeli | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 10:34 am     I think Jun's plan is pretty strong. Obviously, Erika has the strongest chance of winning..at this point. Which is why I hope Robert wins HOH (Heaven help me, I gag just saying that!) this week. He will put up Jun and Alison and Erika will make the decision...and Jun will be gone. I want Erika to win...but if she or Robert doesn't win HOH this week, I think she is toast! |
Fabnsab | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 10:48 am     I don't think Alison should play merely for 2nd place. We have learned in past BBs that the one we think doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell actually wins. Some are assuming that noone can win against Erika but we must remember that she was the hated one for so long in the house. Every week someone wanted her out in the beginning. Who knows if Justin, Jee, and Dana will stick to their hatred that Robert caused in them for her. I think the people in the sequester house already know who they'd vote for. It's up to the people left and what their opinions are of those in the final two once they walk out that door. Anyone can insult anyone right now and its an open game. I don't think anyone is a sure bet over the other yet. |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 02:46 pm     Presuming Jee goes on Wednesday and Erika makes it to final two, I think Erika would win. Erika v. Ali Dana - Erika Nathan - Erika Justin - not sure, but maybe Erika Jack - Erika Jee - Erika Robert - Erika Jun - ?? not sure, maybe Erika Erika wins with four plus votes Erika v. Jun Dana - Jun Nathan - Erika Justin - not sure, but maybe Erika Jack - Erika Jee - not sure, but maybe Erika Robert - Erika Ali - Eirka Erika wins again Erika v. Robert Dana - Robert Nathan - Erika Justin - Robert Jack - Erika Jee - Robert Jun - Erika Ali - Eirka Erika wins again So... both Ali and Jun have a good motivation for getting Erika out. |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 03:02 pm     I think an Ali/Jun final would be the least predictable - That's why I'm hoping for it. LOL Ali v. Jun Dana - Jun Nathan - ??? too tough to call. The snake he hates, or the woman he thinks betrayed him? Justin - ??? again too tough to call. The ex lover who he never considered a GF, who he thought was nearly stalking him, who uses sex to manipulate, who is very fake (which he hates) - but made an alliance with him which she didn't really betray and he has fond memories of? Or the women who betrayed his alliance, was also extremly fake, badmouthed the woman he likes in the house behind her back while acting like her friend, played a good game and was very, very sneaky. Jack - Jun - but could think twice about it. Jee - ?? Probably Jun - but maybe out of spite would choose the woman who is NOT his ex. Perhaps hoping Carmen will get less mad if he chooses Ali? Perhaps not wanting to listen to Robert b$ttch and moan about his decision. Erika - ?? Maybe Ali? But so hard to say. Acts like Ali's friend, but badmouthed her constantly to Jack, Nathan, and Jun. Didn't commit when Jack asked her who she'd choose in a Ali/Jun final. Choice may depend on how she leaves the game. Robert - ??? So tough to call. Hates them both with a scary passion. Most recently betrayed by Ali, but gettins sick of Jun picking on Jee - too tough to call. Who wins? I haven't got a clue. I think some may need to resort to tossing a coin. LOL I will give Jun a slight edge here, but I do think Ali has a chance. |
Cameltoes | Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 03:08 pm     Jun told Jee that she would vote for Robert over Erika or Ali. She may have been feeding him a bunch of crap.. but it makes ya go "hmmmmm". This is how I think Ali vs. Jun would go: Nate - Ali Erika - Ali ? She could go either way Jack - Jun Dana - Jun Jee - Jun Robert - Jun Justin - Ali ? When he left he hated Jun more than Ali but the DT will fill him in on Ali's actions and then there is Dana's influence so who knows. I think Jun would win since I think Nathan is the only solid vote for Ali. |
Charvie | Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:15 am     I think Alison will change her mind. It's just she isn't until she is certain that Jun can't do anything to her when she does. She enjoys being a floater and she has no intention of winning HOH. Than she'd have to chose sides. And Alison doesn't like to chose. She is really upset with Robert not liking her and that is really, really getting to her. Jun doesn't understand this about Alison. |
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