Archive through August 21, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
Jee takes a bribe!:
Archive through August 21, 2003
Sbw | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:34 pm     Not a thing Amari if that is your purpose. As Robert and Jun (maybe Ali) said, however, people were more important at this point than the money. So I guess it all depends on your character and what is important to you. |
Charvie | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:35 pm     It can't be immunity. He is HOH. It would be for him POV for the others not HOH it is immunity. That is where the confusion lies. But check this he takes the POv/immunity only for this week. What a crack move? It is obvious that he hates Erika soo much that he isn't even interested in making sure he doesn't hit the block next week only in making sure Erika goes. Ughh. |
Saggkl | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:37 pm     I can't blame him for that. It insures his HOH nom. More understandable than if for money. Beruthiel I give who is Winston Smith? |
Saggkl | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:39 pm     I mean only if it is for the saftey from NOm. not POV. |
Wilsonatmd | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:40 pm     Saggkl, Winston Smith- the book "1984"-which orginated the phrase Big Brother. |
Cliotheleo | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:41 pm     I'm confused, if the bribe meant that the whole house is on PB&J, why is Jun cooking dinner? Does PB&J not start until tomorrow? |
Cinder | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:41 pm     Immunity was the first word I heard. Later I heard Jee mention veto. I KNOW it is immunity- and think it is also -possibly- veto. That is the part that doesn't make sense- Jee was already immune- but as others have said- he insured his nominations will stand (assuming it is also POV) BTW- there are 3 threads talking about the same thing. |
Jag2000 | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:41 pm     Just heard Allie and Jee talking about the POV is tomorrow and Allie said no, Luxury Challenge, so maybe this was not for POV..I think it was for money. JMHO |
Beruthiel | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:43 pm     He's the hero/protagonist in the novel Nineteen Eighty Four, written by George Orwell, and in which Big Brother was invented. Winston Smith was a citizen who was guilty of 'thought-crime' and was tortured by BB until he caved and ended up loving Big Brother, as BB insisted every citizen had to do. Jee caved, so he's "Winston Smith". |
Chy | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:43 pm     Thanks for answering! "a pre-emptive strike", Wilson, that's the word I was looking for! Jee had a horrible experience when he was shut out by the house. The last time Jee was HOH, he put up ERica & Michelle. The majority of the HGs pretente that they were going to vote according to HOH's wish. We all know the rest, and here Jee has jumped on the chance to not let the history repeat. I'm not excusing him, just my take on the happenings. I never thought Jee has a chance for the big money anyway. |
Amari | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:45 pm     Come on Sbw, do you really think Jun, Robert and Ali care more about saving their fellow HG's from PB&J than winning a half million dollars? Those 3 feel safe because Jee has been pretty upfront about nomming Jack/Erika. Now if Jack/Erika didn't take it out of concern for each other, that's a sweet thing. But I'm just cynical enough to think Erika didn't take it because she thinks Jack's the one to go this week, so why starve. |
Gouraphik | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:48 pm     While it may not have been the most elegant way to shake things up, this twist did at least remove the dispassionate, rational, "it's only a game" mentality that was floating around this world-weary bunch of hardened HG's. I mean, which would you rather be (using BB3 HG's as an example): Marcellas (throwing away an opportunity to save yourself for essentially emotional reasons, namely fear or the desire to be loved), or... Danielle on steroids (willing to do whatever it takes to win, even more ruthlessly than the original Dani herself might have done)? It's an interesting dilemma, when you think about it...issues of integrity, honor, and character notwithstanding. |
Babyphat69 | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:49 pm     So who got nominated? |
Saggkl | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:51 pm     I mean only if it is for the saftey from NOm. not POV. |
Beruthiel | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:52 pm     I'd argue that Marcellas did it because of trusting unwisely, rather than fear. Didn't matter why though, same result whatever his reason. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:52 pm     I'm watching TAR, but Erika seems REALLY REALLY pissed.. seems like Jee must have said it wasn't revenge.. but not totally sure if the other is Jack or ?? Ali is cackling so it isn't her cuz you know she'd be caterwauling .. |
Widowswalk | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:55 pm     Great post Gour- Jee nominated Erika and Jack who to my mind both deserved to be kicked out right now for their utter stupidity. I'm off them. I now want Robert to win just to piss off everyone.Danielle on steroids? I knew it. lol |
Gouraphik | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:56 pm     Beruthiel: I don't want to nitpick, but I did say "...namely fear or the desire to be loved". It was mostly the latter (mixed with other emotions) in Marcellas' case, but as you said, same result, whatever his reason. |
Sbw | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 08:58 pm     Amari, think about moves that Jee has made in this game. Robert and Justin have made moves that protected Jee. And yes Robert leaving the cage made it hard on Jee. But if you think back to his first HOH it was all about Jee. I am not saying he shouldn't have done it. I am just saying it does show his character, if you like it that is fine. If I choose to think greed isn't a great quality, sorry, but hey I might have done the same thing. Jee is about Jee and he probably does need the money more than anyone else. Edited to add: Robert may have felt very safe about noms, but I don't see how Ali or Jun could have since the POV could have resulted in them being put up for eviction. And Ali wants to win everything. |
Wendo | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:03 pm     Ok, this is what happened today regarding the twist based on what I've heard on the feeds. The HG's were each offered a chance to take the POV, however, they had to sacrifice for PBJ. Since nominations hadn't been made, basically it was giving the person who took it immunity from being nominated (even though it's still POV.)However, no one took the offer except Jee. As HOH, he takes POV but it doesn't give him any immunity since he is the one nominating. However, it does ensure his nominations stand. (Or, should he choose, he could change them at POV meeting. Yes, there will still be a POV meeting.) Additionally, since Jee took the offer, he's not REQUIRED to be on PBJ. However, he plans to do it since he feels bad for the other HG's. Also, PBJ does not start until tomorrow. In a nutshell, POV was offered BEFORE nominations. Those in jeapordy chose not to go for it because of the house would be on PBJ. Oh, Jee nominated Jack and Erika. I don't think he'll use POV so Ali won't be going up this week. He seems to trust her this week. And, Jun seems to be annoying him more. *shrug* Hope that makes it clear. |
Cliotheleo | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:05 pm     Wendo, what do you mean by "Also, PBJ does not start anymore." |
Saggkl | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:08 pm     Thanks Wilson. It has been so long since aI read that. I had forgotten his name |
Cliotheleo | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:08 pm     ....... answering my own question, Jun is apparently cooking all the food that's left. So PB&J must not start until tomorrow. |
Xarph | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:17 pm     From the CBS BB4 site. This is how Jee sees himself: Q. What is your motto? A. Live by respect and honor Q. How do you plan to win BIG BROTHER? A. Gain everyone's trust and turn it around to bite them in the butt. =========== "They do not even have control over themselves! Do not believe them!" - Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, Retired Iraqi Minister of Information. Bahgdad Bob |
Beruthiel | Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:19 pm     No problem here, Gouraphik, we just disagreed on why Marcellas did it, and nitpicking is what we're all about here really, so do it whenever you want, I'm okay with it!  |
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