** When they say things are “Meant To Be…”
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Beruthiel

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wid- And I replied, hon, lol.

Oh, and it's interesting to see a tag-team technique on the boards lately.

Helgapataki

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for this conversation! I remember the conversations we used to have during BB1, about socialization and the impact of isolation on group think. I thought those kinds of convos were loooong gone, replaced by arguments about which hg is more reprehensible (or statements of the sadly misguided belief clung to by Jack fans that he is actually "throwing" these competitions)

I believe that circumstances exist, choices are made and opportunities are taken and lost, and whatever comes of that is "meant to be" only in the sense that we choose what to make of it.

Tobor7

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 09:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kale--
Two words...
Statistics and probability...
Someone wins the lottery. It is going to happen. It was not meant to be for someone. But the person who wins still has to buy the ticket! Huh?

It was not "meant to be" that Justin is out. They MADE it that way. They could have done it another way.

You said: "Turning left instead of right and meeting your true love."
Just means you are a romantic. How do you know it is your true love? By turning right you may have prevented a major traffic accident and saved 12 lives. People do what they do. Brave people take responsibility for the outcome. And some say, "It was meant to be" as if it is an excuse for the poor outcome they now have to live with as a consequence of their actions.

Does anyone say it was "meant to be" when it rains? Most of the time the weatherman can't even get that right. But when it does rain, (and you can't control that) it is still your choice to go out in it or not-- to take an umbrella or not.

See, I'm not talking about controlling everything. I'm talking about taking RESPONSIBILITY for the things you can control (by your choices and your actions) and not making excuses and saying; "it was meant to be."

I hope this clears this up for you.

Tobor7

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sean said:
"The whole universe is based on random events occurring; evolution came about that way."

I say-- yup, nail on the head.

I'm sure Xarph knows how they determine the probability of getting hit by lighting. (Has something to do with # of people and number of sq. feet and num of times lightning hits and amount of people movement... etc)

Widowswalk

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Another contestant for a free trip to the Big Easy.

Tobor7

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sean said:
"(1) Either all things are meant to be, or (2) life is a combination of random events and human choice. No middle ground."

Great line!

Which of the two would any of you want to be true? I would take #2 any day of the week. To really believe #1... how boring would that be? We would be nothing more than robots acting out someone else's story line.

I think it was in the movie "City of Angels" where there was a great line... "God's greatest gift to us was the gift of free will."

I always loved that. It is an empowering thought. And you must exercise that free will at every chance. Don't let anyone exercise it for you.

Kalekona

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tobar I disagree.
Yes we have free will and choice but many things are out of our control and they can lead to some amazing things occuring.
I won't try to convince you of my point of view because clearly this does get tangled up in the high power debate.
But i do think your view is kind of sad really. And that is just my opinion.

Seanflynn2003

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the kind words Tobor.
My Lutheran minister father would be so proud if he knew <g>

Widowswalk

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kale- you know what you know. You don't have to explain yourself. Trust me.

Seanflynn2003

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tobor
BTW, to give credit where credit is due, the line is from the magnificent German film of which City of Angels was a pallid remake, "Wings of Desire"

Tobor7

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't want to get into a higher power debate.
(There is never a winner. People believe what they believe when it comes to that.)

I do believe that the mods really exist. I see their work every day even though I have never met one, seen one or even talked to one. LOL

But Kale--- what of the people who make poor choices and then cop out by saying "oh well, it wasn't meant to be."
Don't you just want to respond-- it wasn't meant to be because you didn't buy a ticket. It wasn't meant to be because you didn't study for the test. It wasn't meant to be because you applied for a job that you are not qualified for.

I do admit there are circumstances (in all our lives) that seem to defy all concept of coincidence or probability. But still-- someone has to hit a hole-in-one every now and then. When I see a player hit 18 holes-in-one on network TV, then I'll say, "Wow! What are the chances of that." But we all know we will NEVER see anything like that, don't we.

Tobor7

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't know that Sean, thanks.
Is "Wings of Desire" available?

Kalekona

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tabor when people have to help themselves and also take responsibility for their wrongs without question. But sometimes it simply does come down to "it was/or wasn't meant to be"

(I'm still waiting to see a someone bowl a 300.. if they do it on TV i'm never watching and it goes without saying if i'm watching and they get close they blow it..)

But I am a big Denver Bronco fan, I sat and watched like 4 super bowl loses.. but when that win finally came it was the most emotional and sweetest victory that you just knew if it had come before that night it could never have felt as good.. so you can say it wasn't meant for them to win before, because it was meant for them to win that night!

Zachsmom

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think bad things happen to good people.

I think good things happen to bad people.

It's what we do with those situations that determine "What is meant to be". It defines our character (or lack of) and determines the paths in life in which we "choose" to follow and the continuous decisions that we have to make from 1 particular event.Every action has a reaction (whether it's good or bad) and life is a series of continuous choices. Nothing is "meant to be" for nothing is set in stone.

Tobor7

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I lost so much money on those Broncos in all those Super Bowl loses. hahahahah

Does it bother you when players on the winning team think God had something to do with it?

My mother always told me that God doesn't bet on sporting events.

Tobor7

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nice one Zachsmom.

Seanflynn2003

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tobor -
Wings of Desire (from the mid 80s; it was a successful specialized release at that time) came out on DVD last month.
Unlike City of Angels (LA), Wings was set in the then divided Berlin where the angels hover over both sides of the wall

Kalekona

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 10:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do think God has more important things to worry about than a ball game... But i've also been known to shout "There is a God and he's a Bronco/Mariner fan" (depending on the season) LOL

I think if anything God gives the win to the team whose fans have bothered him the most with all those prayers clogging up the network and he does it to shut them up.. Squeeky wheel and all that :)

Bohawkins

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 11:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If someone has never experienced even a glimpse of the enlightenment of cosmic consciousness then they simply lack the tools to be able to comprehend that possibilities exist beyond conventional frames of reference. Any explanation which does not correspond with or is irrelevant to their present cognitions regarding something beyond physical laws has no basis of understanding and is pointless to even consider.

As the song goes, "Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see." I was there once. And now I could take you down strawberry fields if you were open to it and ready, but not here, not on a silly bulletin board where sad desperate egos and locked mindsets prevail and where nothing could be gained by shallow fragmented debates.

So those who lack understanding will continue to rail and protest because they can only know what they know now in the fashion of a blind man arguing that light cannot exist because he has never seen it.

Only by circumstance did I come to a place where I was afforded the experiential phenomenon to be able to gain an understanding so far beyond the simple plane I once knew that now I would say that to gain this sort of awareness I would have been willing to travel to the ends of the earth and sacrificed all I had, but paradoxically without the understanding such a pursuit would not only have been impractical to me but the height of folly.

So perhaps only those can find who are meant to know and meant to seek, and while I would have turned a deaf ear to the same advice I offer now, I would tell you to open your mind to the possibilities and find someone who knows who might show you the way... that is if it's meant to be.

Beruthiel

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 11:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just keep remembering that God gave us free will, according to the experts, so that we can make our own decisions, and thus EARN eternity in heaven or hell, which strongly implies that it's up to us what happens, besides sheer chance and coincidence.
I'm inclined to think that He would also be more worried about wars, starving kids, and the destruction of His creation than who wins a game of sports. But of course, if He can do anything, who can say what He'd put His mind to?
[Caveat: using the masculine nouns does not mean that I believe that God is a He. He may very well be more of a She. I simply abide by the conventions of the language]

Widowswalk

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 11:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bohawk-great post, I totally agree.

Beruthiel

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 11:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And that's a thread ender if ever I saw one, Bohawkins!
[Your post wasn't there when I started mine!]

Beruthiel

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 11:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oops, spoke too soon...

Laffy

Friday, August 22, 2003 - 12:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
what bohawkins said

Tobor7

Friday, August 22, 2003 - 12:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nice one Bohawkins. Bravo.
I can always count on you to post a well-written and well though-out comment. Good on you. Perhaps you and I shall meet someday and we can really discuss this.

Now...

I knew this thread would draw you out, and here you are. Of course, it was just a clever rouse to get your attention and ask if you would consider posting the thoughts you and your friends had during the cage comp. Your previous, cryptic post about it got a lot of people interested-- and I just wanted to ask on behalf of us all... would you share? We promise to participate.