Ali wants Jun as final two ??
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Ali wants Jun as final two ??
Scovanbar | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 07:28 am     Rob told Ali that anyone that wasn't in their alliance would lose. Ali already knows that everyone likes Jack, and the stooges don't like Jun. Erika, she is not sure how they feel about her, especially since she saw Rob and Erika talking, so I think the deal that she made with Jun to be together in an alliance is a real deal for Ali, as she feels thqat she can win against Jun. |
What555456 | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 07:36 am     I don't think either Ali or Jun can make any lasting alliance, even if they say they are making one. It is not how either are playing the game. At least I think Jun can be trusted to stay the course from week to week, but not long term. I don't think Ali is capable of staying the course from one conversation to another. |
Scovanbar | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 07:39 am     True What, but I think that in Ali's case she would like to take Jun to be up against her. |
Meli456 | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 09:02 am     If this is what happens in the final, I would be impressed. They really should make a final two alliance, since they are both "playing for second place". It would make a great ending, IMO. |
Philamom | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 09:16 am     I don't think Ali could beat anyone in this game -- not even Jun. I think Jun would definitely have Dana and Jee's votes (and I can already hear Dana pestering Justin to vote for Jun, LOL). Erika said she would vote for Jun over Ali, if the finals came to those two. That's 3 votes, and it only takes one more. I think Jack told ERika he'd probably vote for Jun over Ali, too -- but he sounded sort of uncertain about it. And Nate ... hmmm, I know he has no great love for Jun, but I think he's probably still pretty angry with Ali. So he could go either way. |
C1mag | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 09:53 am     No one is paying attention. Remember that old saying, "keep your enemies close?" Thats all thats happening in this case. Both fear that each will nominate the other for eviction so why not suggest an alliance when in fact there will never be a true alliance? We all know Alis alliance promises last for as long as she feels safe and until the next one comes along. It's called trying to see how safe you will be so that you don't have to try for hoh this coming week. That is all thats happening. They realize that the most vulnerable position to be in is the week after you are hoh and right now none of these girls wants hoh if they aren't forced too. These two gal pals are convinced the two remaining stooges will target Jack and Erika. Jack would target the two remaining stooges if he happens to get hoh. So no need for Ali or Jun to get that hoh now that they have their prime enemy as an "alleged" alliance. They figure they aren't the target for eviction yet. Now if these two floaters don't get hoh because they thought they were safe here's a funny little twist that could happen to them....If someone uses the veto next week on either Jack, Roberts, or Jees nominations then one of the crafty girls will be going up and oh the temptation to evict one of the female snakes will be so high!! Oh that pesky veto can really cause a problem can't it? BTW.. the only way they may ever get rid of Alison is to throw her up on the block using the veto. That way she is cooked. |
Seanflynn2003 | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 10:18 am     Don't presume Jee doesn't vote for Jun against Allison, or maybe anyone left. In the case of all of the ex-couples, there could be pressure to vote for the other -- shared communities, friends, likelihood of seeing each other. I suspect in Jee and Jun's case (and this works both ways, this would be particularly strong. Beyond that, anyone who heard Jee talk about how much he owes Jun in life, how great she was to him when they were together early Saturday morning would realize there is still real affection between the two despite the break up. The mitigating factor is if Jee is concerned that this could affect his relationship with Carmen. In all these analyses, including mine, presume that in most case very very few of the final votes are definative. |
Bmh | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 10:21 am     Jun and Ali are fantastic players they deserve alot of props IMHO. It would be cool to see these two ladies as the F2 |
Gina8642 | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 10:26 am     Jee is fed up with Allison lately. Whenever he gets Jun alone he starts complaining about Allie to Jun. Jee rarely vents, so I think his vents to Jun have been genuine. I'm nearly positive the Jun would get his vote over Jack/Erika/Allie in final two. I'm less sure about Justin/Robert. Keep in mind, there is a lot of game left to play. Folks are going to have to start making some tough decisions. If Allie or Jun win HOH, they are going to have to pick sides, which may affect final voting decisions. I think it is too soon to determine folk's final votes, especially in regards to the two 'floaters'. |
C1mag | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 10:27 am     BTW... I don't know if this is the thread to put this in but since we are talking about Jun and Ali I thought I would add this... If Jack really is targeting the strongest players then he needs to WAKE UP and realize that Jun and Ali are the strongest players left in the game. Jee and Robert ( if he remains) are much weaker at competitions. The only time Rob wins anything is if it is handed to him. Jee just goes with the wind. Right now Jack should target the two females who have brought together this so called alliance. Maybe he will wake up here soon and realize this. First take out Ali then take out Jun one right after the other. Erika and Jack would have a cakewalk to the final 2. No one is really a loser at final 2. You both are winners. One takes home more money but you both remained to the end. That should be the goal. I keep saying... 50k should be the goal and anything after that is icing on the cake. Don't think about who you can beat in the final 2 until you are at the door to it. |
Wilsonatmd | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 10:50 am     Ali right now knows there are two main pairs left after this week: Jack/Erika and Jee/whoever doesn't get evicted this week, probably Robert. Those two pairs are pretty solid...I don't know about Jun/Jee, that could be a wildcard in this. Ali knows that there probably will be a shift in power this week (or THINKS she knows....we have no idea how this supposed twist is going to pan out) towards one of the pairs, depending on HOH. She wants to make sure that she's not a target, os she's trying to make a deal with Jun, who seems to have the ear on both sides to a point. Ali's biggest danger is not HOH, but veto....if one pair puts up the other and then one of them is vetoed out, she's the likely replacement. Then, she thinks, with Jun as her ally, she wouldn't vote for her, which would probably save her (3 votes next time around barring anything, so one sure vote is big). I don't know if Jun trusts her enough to deal with her, but Ali is a wildcard in the two pairs, and could be a helpful person in knocking numbers down. Also, Ali has won HOH before, so she is a threat to win again....better to have her as an ally than as an enemy, and thus be able to help her decide which pair to target (or avoid, if her partnership with Jee is strong and she wants to protect him). With so few people left now, I think it's prudent to keep in the back of your mind who the jury might vote for in various scenerios...so Ali is playing pretty smart. |
Cameltoes | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 11:00 am     C1... I really think they should stick with the floaters for now. Something tells me that if they are in the final four with Robert and Jee that one of them will end up in the finals with Jee and come in 2nd. With Ali and Jun, I see one of them making it to the end and winning. My feeling is that a Jun/Jee/Jack/Erika final 4 gives the best chance of both in the finals but right now, I don't see a very good possibility of both of them making it to the end. I think the only way to get Ali out right now is for Jee to win HOH. I think his annoyance with her has alot to do with the fact that he knows she keeps pushing her suspicions about his alliance with Jun on everyone in the house. |
Vros | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 11:14 am     Jun has her foot on Ali's throat this week. She's the one with the power to decide which stooge goes and which two stay. Ali's deal only lasts until Jun casts her vote. Ali will do and say anything to keep Justin in the house. If she succeeds Wed, I expect Ali will throw some huge fit having to do with Jun before the day's out. Unless Jun wins HOH of course. |
Cricket | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 01:47 pm     If Ali and Jun were in the finals, Jun would win over Ali. She has made too many enemies with all her lies. |
Seanflynn2003 | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 01:50 pm     Allison's best hope is to get Robert in the finals with her if she wants to win $500,000. If her strategy is to get to the final two, her best hope is to keep Justin in. If I were her, I would base my vote this week (and strategic action before) on whether I would be content with the $50,000 or wants to risk that to win big. |
R151996 | Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 04:34 pm     Ali's vote this week will have no bearing on who is evicted. Jun and Jack will vote Justin out, and that's enough to get it at least to the tiebreaker where Erika would vote Justin out. So Ali will vote to evict Justin since that's going to be the end result regardless. To reach the final four Ali probably needs to get an HOH win this week and continue with the plan to evict Robert. Jee would then likely be Jack and Erika's main target the week Ali could not win HOH. I disagree that Robert would be the best matchup for Ali in the finals--he would almost certainly get votes from Jee, Justin, and Erika, and Dana would be unlikely to go Ali's way. An Ali-Jun final is IMO the only one where Ali would have a realistic shot at winning, and even that would be no sure thing. |
R151996 | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 02:01 am     The Stooges' late night conversation mentioned the "worst-case" scenario of an Ali-Jun final. Justin, Robert, and Jee all said they would vote for Ali in that situation. Nate's dislike of Jun potentially could give Ali the fourth and deciding vote over Jun. Then Nate should remind Ali to buy him the car she promised him. |
Countrymeadow | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 06:57 am     What's making me crazy now is that they keep " flip flopping". Ali's now thinking she wants Robert gone this week instead of Justin and is campaigning for just that. Just when you think you have these brain dead HG's figured out, a new twist. GRRRRRrrrrr |
Bmh | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 07:18 am     I think Jun has a good chance of winning actually...If Ali/Jun are the F2 then that would probably be the closest vote we could see Votes for Jun-Jack,Erika,Jee,and Dana Votes for Ali-Robert,Justin,and Nathan However I think Nathan,Jack,and Erika's votes could go both ways. |
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