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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: America's Choice: Archive through August 17, 2003

Spwisc

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 06:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, I didn't mean you in particular. Just the whole feeling of this last page of this thread. So negative toward one person. I don't get live feeds but it would be annoying for all four feeds to be on one person. Cricket, I've never been moderated before but I understand why they did it now. <ModSD>

Livinnafishbowl

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 12:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yeah! i voted for robert!! so did my hubby!

Seamonkey

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sp if you don't get live feeds then I can imagine it is hard to understand, even if you read the live feeds, it doesn't portray Robert totally.

I still have no problem with him winning the letter.

I do think he is staying.. althought Erika has gotten MUCH closer to Justin AND Robert this week and seems to be dealing with Robert, I think she wants Justin gone because he had more hold over Ali, she thinks, and she thinks Justin would win if he goes to F2.. also thinks that of Jee.. but thinks Robert is beatable.. though she also thinks Jun and Ali would be beatable. Erika knows Jack wouldn't be beatable except she thinks Jee or Justin could beat him.

Ali continues to TRASH Jun but Ali actually has floated more, snaked more, sneaked more and allied more than anyone there. She also is out doing Dana on paranoia, meaning that pretty much anyone having a conversation can count on Ali showing up soon enough..

Pattie555

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BB has not shown any of the garbage Robert says with the stooges. I have feeds and feel violated by the way Robert talks. I have NO respect for the man.
As far as him getting the letter I totally agree with Xarph, the show is rigged for Robert winning it.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think that *Robert* won America's Choice....I think his *daughter* won it! How many of the other HGs had a bio video showing a young daughter with tears streaming down her face when saying goodbye to her dad for the whole summer?

Zachsmom

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What they should do is have two separate "America's choice"

One winner how they do it now
One winner from those who subscribe to the live feeds.

Same award

That might get more people to subscribe.

I still don't know why he won. If he won for the sole basis that he has a young daughter at home..well..in my opinion that a crummy reason to vote for someone. If I were in the house and people only voted for me because I have a small child I wouldn't feel like I truly won anything.

Robert doesn't deserve to be rewarded for anything.

Juiceman

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good!
im glad Robert won!
<sd>

As for this livefeed vs the show's presentation - I think a lot of people are basing opinions on 'Reading' the live feeds NOT watching them.
Robert's comments come off very bad when read them but much much funnier and 'cheeky' when you see him make them live.

A great example of this bashing has been all these comments about Rob 'slamming coke' and how 'disgusting that is etc etc'.. Then it turns out he was talking about Coke COLA!

He used Coke (the drink!) to replace booze and because of peoples bias it was immediately presumed to be something worse.

[and for everyone who keeps playing the 'daughter card' in here - do you think Roberts daughter will be affected by internet comments about Daddy being a coke-head??]

-Oh.. and far from being a 'race card' I absolutely do believe in America many will vote for the 'cute goodlooking white' over 'the cuban guy'. I think less than Robert believed but I am sure there is some truth in that.

Look, I'm not saying Robert is any kind of angel.. while he is rude sometimes, he also is the rare one in the house that openly expresses deep and profound emotions,
-quit alcohol (and drugs!),
-admired and supported Jee closely during his Fathers death anniversary
-seriously threatened to leave if he could not talk to his daughter
-made an amazing and truly honest reconciliation with Erika (credit to her too)
-Has shown amazing loyalty to Jee and Justin
-Doesnt care what people think about him (that should be admired these days i think)

So lets get a grip on all this villianization and put some perspective on all this Robert-bashing - he is hardly 'the devil' and has many great qualities to counter his bad ones.

Well thats my rant for the day lol!

Jan

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
while I have not liked Robert, juiceman, you make many very valid points and I am going to take them under advisement. Thanks for your perspective :)

Zachsmom

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 02:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
1) I hope Robert's daughter is not reading anything on the internet about her father. This is something Robert should have thought of if that was a concern and conducted himself in a manner where any comment about him would be positive.

2) I don't base my opinions on Robert from what I have "read" I have based my opinions on what I have "seen". I have the live feeds and Roberts actions and verbal comments are deplorable.

3) I don't recall the comment about slamming coke. He did state while they were discussing drug use about his frequent cocaine usage. I watched and listened an this had nothing to do with "coca-cola".

Robert has no respect for women. I have no idea if his reconcillation with Erika is true or not. By his past actions I don't believe a word he says.

I am disappointed that Robert was given America's choice.

I voted for Jee.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dunno if all the girls would consider his constantly referring to them as w****s, and c***s, and b*****s in his convos with his cohorts as "cheeky". It's not cute or anything of the kind....it's mysogynistic and it displays a supreme lack of respect for women.

I base my adverse opinions of Robert on his behavior which I have witnessed on the live feeds. If I had never viewed the live feeds and had only the tv show to go on, then my opinion of him would probably be completely different.

In any case, I don't think he is actually "playing the daughter card". I think he genuinely misses her. However, if one of the other players had a child that looked even more miserable at his or her parent leaving for the entire summer, then that HG would have likely won.

JMO....but it's based on what I've *seen* on the live feeds.

Kmjm

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Juiceman, I think I've read all the negative threads about Robert here, and contributed to most of them, but I don't recall anyone accusing him of being a drug user- except perhaps for viagra, LOL.

I've watched Robert plenty live and I can't see any humour in most of his statements. Guess I just have a thing about a man who blames everything on women, including his own failures, and calls them f'n b*t*hes and wh*res all the time. Perhaps I'm just oversensitive.

Pattie555

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 02:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have live feeds and base my opinions on what I hear. I do not hear anything "cheeky" out of Robert's mouth unless it is about one of the girl's ass looking good today lol

Twiggyish

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 03:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Could it be argued that a lot of young males refer to women in those terms? (I should say immature males?) It could also be said the other guys are also guilty. They refer to anything bad as being gay, which is a slam against gay people.
I'm just thinking on the other side of this issue.

I should add as a women I find his comments offensive, too.

Tishala

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 03:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Of course, Twiggyish, but that is a heresy to suggest, donchaknow?

My students--college kids--have this annoying phrase, "Bros before hos," which means something like "stick up for your guy friends instead of a girl." Whatever. I initially found it offensive (and I had majored in Women's Studies as an undergrad!), but I realized that it was not about women per se, but about male bonding. I guess this is the one way I actually agree with conservative hegemony: men and masculinity have become so demonized that young men, especially, are almost necessarily assigned a near criminal status. That is why the vast majority of Ridilin users are male, why boys are considered anti social, etc.: it is largely a function of their maleness not being reigned in.

Sherri

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 03:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Sanfran - if another HG had a child that looked more miserable at his/her leaving for the summer, they would have won. I think the vote came down to that alone, just IMHO

Twiggyish

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 03:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point as usual Tish!

In the past, didn't Kent also win when they showed his children, too?

Sherri

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 03:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't remember if Kent did or not. Who won last year? Gosh, I need to go get a brain transplant or something. The memory is going, going, gone.

Cinder

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 03:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know Monica got the video- not sure about a letter- if there was one???? Hardy got a phone call(or a lettter)?? Jason got a phone call- I think.

C1mag

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
didn't Dani get a message from her family on video? I'm pretty sure she did. I know Jason also got a letter as well.

Juiceman

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 04:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tishala makes a good point about the 'street talk' and although I think its a stupid fad - it is a 'new slang' to say 'beatches and ho's' etc.

in my opinion Robert is trying to use the terms 'not very well' with Jee and Justin to try and fit in with their age group. Just my opinion.

I really do believe a lot of older women viewers are getting confused by this and taking offense needlessly.

A second point on this - Robert is refering to whoever is the subject in his convo's as biatches.

Robert never refered to 'All women' as ••••••• or 'Hoes' or whatever the slang is. Lets be fair about that - He is rude to 'Certain' women. NOT all women.

Thanks for the insiteful post Tishala. I agree totally. I also point out that when girls on BB make really derogatory comments about 'men' (and believe me Ive heard some doozies!) everyone takes it as outrageous 'girly sleepover chatter'.

For some reason when Robert makes similar casual 'guy talk' blurbs they are taken super-seriously?

By the way - amongst the young crowd, 'Gay' also refers to things that are needless or unwanted,silly etc.
ie. 'That foam hotdog costume was gay!'

It has no relation to homosexuals in that context.
(yet i suspect some in here will conclude that the guys are hatemongering homophobes lol)

Hmm I wonder if Viagra is considered drug use anyway? Technically I guess it is a drug?

Twiggyish

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 04:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<sd> Just because it's street slang doesn't make it right. There is a reason older women (or young women) take offense. Our generation fought hard to gain respect for women. It wasn't too long ago when women were second class citizens. There are still countries where women are still treated this way. So when you say "older women" might take offense, you're right!
(Geez, I'm getting radical in my "old" age)

Zachsmom

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 04:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
34 makes me an "older woman"?

sorry this type of talk always been offensive to me.

and Robert didn't deserve Americas choice.

Wendo

Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 04:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert is 33, hardly a kid. To say a 33 year old man who's been married, divorced, and has a child is utilizing "street talk" is utterly ridiculous.

The man has issues with women, plain and simple; he's a chauvenist and mysoginist. Period.

edited to add: Oh, and Juiceman, Robert HAS referred to all women has wh*res, I heard him say it.