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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: The SMARTEST BB4 player: Archive through September 03, 2003

Rainwoman

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 05:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
JUN smilie_winner


I have to give it to her. Kudos to JUN! I admit that I didn't like her at first. I thought she was Queen Conceided with her, "You're going to love me as much as I do" attitude in the very beginning when she introduced herself. She has been sharp throughout the whole game and played SMART! SMART! SMART! She didn't cave in, not even when it was time to get rid of Jee. I have come to love her wit, her flaws, the heart she wore on her sleeve for Bob. She's the only one who stood out in this game and PLAYED it and was still likable, unlike Alison. I hope Jun wins it, because she certainly deserves it. GO JUN!

Jan

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 05:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am beginning to agree with you Rain. I think she has played a great game while not stooping quite as low as Ali. At least when she makes a promise, she tends to keep it.

Kennyb

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes I also agree--I was a Dave fan out of the gates but Jun has managed to get where she is with out spilling alot of blood unlike Ali (or playing under the covers like Ali) she did it by playing smart and not letting anyone really know the real Jun. I think when she read the note from Bob last night was the first true emotion she's showed in the house.She deserves to get to the finals and I know people will respect her game alot more than Ali's.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun.

Lostintheglades

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep...she was the one I disliked the most in the beginning...with all the "They looked up my skirt..." remarks and "I'm beautiful"....however, IMO she has truly played a great game and has managed to keep her emotions pretty much out of it. She and Ali have played the same type of game but Ali as far as floating but has managed to keep her dignity while doing it.

Rob_Robe

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun ... because she pretty much have a 100 percent chance of being the final 3 or 2 and not having to many enemies ... unlike Ali .. who swears she is the best player ever... um... sure... but you got like everyone hating you... i give Erika and Robert notable mentions because.. they got into good Aliance especially Robert where they are the last target ... great shield method

Boberg

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun or ALi...it is a toss up for me..I liked Jun better till she started harrassing Jee non-stop since she got back from the MTV Awards show..she has been relentless on that boy..not that he doesn't deserve it and it is the only interesting thing that has happened in that house in the last 72hrs. Jun's game has not been as openly dirty as Alison's but Ali has stayed focused, able to talk out of both sides of her mouth at the same time..able to turn on the water works when needed, able to manipulate, and floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee (nathan using the veto) That girl (ali) has pulled off some incredible game play..her only downfall will be that very few on the jury will now vote for her..so no way will she win the big money..I am hoping it is those 2 in the finals just for the suspense of the vote.
Kennyb..many thought when Jun cried after Dana was evicted that the tears were about Dana and Jun let them believe that for the most part but I beleive those tears were ALL about Bob as that was the first time he had been brought up and even Julie commented on it being the first time..I'll bet the DR questioned Jun on that and that is what caused the tears. My point? I believe Jun has showed real emotion before but hid the reason from everyone there. Like you..I was a Dave fan and think if he had stayed the house would be so much more interesting!

Sushigirl

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 07:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rain, You took the words right out of my mouth. I felt just like you did when I saw Jun's intro. to the show. However, my opinion of her quickly changed. I think she has by far been the smartest and most interesting player this season. Jun all the way!!!!!!!

Demsome

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 07:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think its Erica. She has annoyed the fewest jury members. She has managed to swich a few sides and yet not anger many people. It even looks like her ex wants to get back with her. I think shes the BEST!
ERICA all the way!!!!

Katlady53

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 07:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've gotta go with Erica for the same reasons Demsome gave. :)

Wanderer

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Densome, She was a force behind Jack and when she had to she cut loose and went where she needed to go. I don't think she gets credit for playing a good game because she doesn't try being the drama queen. Seems everyone in the house must see something as they don't want to be in the finals with her.

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 07:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd have to go with Jun and then Ali (who is playing the same game as Jun but p*ssing people off in the process) with Erika a far distant third simply because it's already apparent that she's a "threat" which is the LAST thing you want to do in this game.

Theo

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Have to agree with Clio and add Ericka didn't even real start playing the "game" till last week.

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And I have to DISAGREE :) with Theo, I think she's been playing the game since the beginning, she just doesn't QUITE have the "flying under the radar" thing mastered as well as say, Jun does. She did before, but her "shields" have been evicted.

If she's not careful she'll have to go live in the Threat house. (ha ha)

Demsome

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hummm for someone who didn't start "playing the game till last week" she sure got far in the game!I think she has been "playing the game" the whole time... Very well I might add. I don't think she is viewed as a threat as much as Jun is, to the other houseguests. Ali maybe playing the "game" but has made so many people mad she has no chance.

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmm....... You think Jun is perceived as a bigger threat than Erika? Last I noticed, Jun was a more popular choice to take to the final two than Erika ........... does ANYONE want to take Erika with them to the finals?

Of course I know perceptions change on the half hour. :)

Kaili

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Erika has been playing- she just hasn't be as vocal as the rest. It seems to me everything she does, all of her game oves, are done in her mind very quietly. She's been nominated twice and made it through. that's a lot easier in the beginning of the show (against Michelle) than toward the end. Erika is playing well, but it seems at this point her game may end soon. She's lost her alliance and is left with people who won't take her to the end. If she is going to get there now, it's going to take some careful manuevering and I'm not sure she can do it at this point. Alison has the alliance market flooded and no one will want to go to the end with her. They have two HOH's left- Erika needs Robert to win this one and nominate Alison and Jun with Erika taking out Alison, then she needs to win the next one to choose who to take to the end. This *might* be her only hope- I see the other girls wanting her out.

Robert is the one who I don't think has played the game. I think he's gotten lucky. There was always someone they needed out more. Jee and Justin both were more of a threat than him. But for all we know Robert has been playing, laying very low and losing stuff- and will make his move now tat he doesn't have a choice. He isn't there to lose, no matter how much he says he wanyt out. I just cannot see living in that house for sooo long and being so close and not trying to win.

Alison has played a good game to get her to where she is- she should have been voted out weeks ago and everyone has missed that chance. But she isn't playing the jury well and that will cost her. That makes her not the best player. She can easily get to the end right now, and as much as I hate it, I think she will. But to be the best player, you have to do that without having everyone hating you. She;s not accomplishing that.

Jee has played a good game, riding along with Justin until Justin left. After that, Jee stepped up and played for himself. I don't think it makes him a great player and I have little to say about him.

This brings me to Jun- I think she's played it the best. She's made people mad, but hasn't been as bad as Alison. Her moves have been quieter and less offensive. She has a good chance of getting to the end, and she has friends on the jury. Will her role in getting rid of Jee hurt her? I don't think so, really. A lot of her game now is dependant on who she's in the end with, so she's in a tough spot. Especially as outgoing HOH. She's a smart girl, no one suspected she would be such a strong player, and she's coming out of it relatively clean.

Jdel

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Erica the most - she hasn't offended anyone, gets along with all of them (even the unbearable ex Robert) and doesn't talk like a truck driver or act like a •••••. Unfortunately that may be her downfall with the girls since they know and acknowledge that she has no real enemies which could turn into votes - ali keeps pushing it at jun that erika is the strongest in the house now and needs to go.

I like Jun next - I think she has done some good moves gamewise - I loved her putting up ali so she'd be forced to use it on herself. Jun knows what a weasel ali is and how she'd switch sides for the best deal for herself. Jun's language turns me off though - she's been getting cruder and sloppier as the show goes on. I think she's been carrying around a lot of anger for jee and as the time for him to leave gets closer she gets worse toward him. Can't blame her there.

I think Robert has been the worse player - pretty much jumped onto justin and jee's coattails and rode the wave with them. He's there because he was the weakest link and got left for last. It would be a shame to see him in for the finals. I hope the girls give him what he keeps asking for and send him packing soon.

I'd call ali the most ruthless of the players - she has no problem making an alliance and then slitting that person's throat if a better offer comes along. I think any one of the other three figures that taking ali to the f2 with them is the best way to win since she's pissed off just about everybody.

I can't see why ali would want to go to f2 with Robert. If I were her I'd want to be sure the dream team didn't have one of their own to vote for.

I'd rather see jun and erika up for it myself - I think they've played the best game and deserve the money over the shallow, whining, two-faced players left in the house.

Theo

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
O.K. should have clearified that by playing the "game" i meant no-longer "flying under the rader" which is a game plan i do admit but one who's price is appauling to me. Also do you really think she would be in the game still had dave not come up with the plan to save her..she was doing nothing when she was on the block to save her self.

Sweetpea1994

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My hope is that Jun and Erika are in the final two. I think those two would be too close to call. I could not stand Jun at first, but she is very smart. Also, she hasn't been vicious in her game play. I have liked Erika from the start. Robert walked into that house spewing all that venom about her and she has proven to me to be a decent person. (Won't say what I think of Booger Boy.)

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
How is flying under the radar a bad thing? People win on these shows all the time using that strategy.

........... awww jeeze! Why did you have to go and mention Dave's name!!!! Now I can't even think straight............ :)

Pantageas

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee has been a strong competitor, but poor at nominations and "reading" the other HGs. Erika has been at the mercy of the other HGs every week since Week 1, and has been lucky that other HGs had bigger fish to fry than her. Robert was lucky that his other 3 allies won 4 HoHs between them. Alison has made calculated moves to stay in the house each week that caused all her one-time allies(now on the Jury) to dislike her.

Jun, however,has been apart of every nomination/eviction process. She has also made calculated moves that benefit her without over-promising anyone and alienating herself too much with any other Jury members(except maybe Nate). If Jun makes final 3 with either Erika or Alison, she will have 3 sure votes - Jee, Dana, and Robert. She will only need one more convert to win $500K. I think it's easily stated that she's played the best.

Gina8642

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Depends if you're talking game smart, or just inteligence smart.

Game Smart? I think Erika, Jun, and Alison have all been playing absolutely amazing games. I think it is too close to call with these three and I will wait to see who ends up on top, and what moves got them there before I decide.

General smart? I think it is a toss up between Alison and Jun. Both these women are clearly brilliant. They just bowl over the others in mental contests. They understand complex situations completely and much faster than the others. I think Alison has gone out of her way to hide her smarts, making deliberately stupid comments to throw people off. Jun hasn't been able to hide as well, partially because Jee will tell anyone who'll listen about how smart she is.

Theo

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL...sorry about that..but i thought it was worth pointing out...to play the flying under the radar role you have to be willing to sacrafice everyone and everything...until you actually have to make a move...that's what Ericka did. She let dave sacrafice himself for her...she never really had nate's back and thus didn't "convince" him enough to not use the veto thus sacreficing him...she got in with the girls at the last second when she had to start playing the"game",thus scraficing Jack....in her wake the elite alliance rests...

Jdel

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 08:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee has neither won or lost well. He's arrogant as h@ll when he wins and totally miserable and whiny when he loses.

He got his game plan from Justin before he left and hasn't been able to follow through on it by himself. Robert has been of no help at all. I'll be he's pissed at having to leave with Robert possibly in a position to get the money instead of him.