Finally!! A Gutless Houseguest Plays The Tearful "Financial Need" Card
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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Finally!! A Gutless Houseguest Plays The Tearful "Financial Need" Card
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Lancecrossfire

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crank up Survivor every Thursday night. Of course I'll do that no matter who wins the 500K

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not attacking you, justboredwbb4. We aren't here to attack each other. We are here to give opinions. I misquoted no one and saying otherwise only furthers the argument.

Smokey

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Nexell :) Whenever I see you post something I always wonder if you know something we don't know? LOL

What CAN anyone do if they win? Do you mean as far as getting upset about it? I don't care a whole lot who wins but I would be more happy if it were anyone but Ali. Yes, even Robert would be better in my opinion. I am sure the mileage is gonna vary big time on that question.

Bracken

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey folks it's only a game, no need to get all upset about it. The well liked and favorites haven't been winning any reality programs lately so this is probably just going to more of the same at the end.

Anyway, somebody awarded me the $500,000 earlier cause I want them all the read Atlas Shrugged, lol.

At this point, I don't really care who wins, (well, not Robert, please) just how it will play out. There are so many mini alliances and comments about who is going to take who to the final 2 that my mind is just blown even attempting to predict anything.

Myjohnhenry

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali may not necessarily have money, but she has sure managed to meet her pageant expenses...it would be interesting to compare the costs of her gowns, bathing suits, shoes, personal care items, other pageant clothing needs to that of Jun's 77 pairs of shoes.
I did notice too that when she played the tearful drama the other night that she quickly back tracked from talking about her parents money or lack there of to talking about Donny and his families financial status.

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"I did notice too that when she played the tearful drama the other night that she quickly back tracked from talking about her parents money or lack there of to talking about Donny and his families financial status." Yes, she did. Totally unacceptable. If I were Donny and his family, she would be crossed off the list and referred to as a former acquaintance.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was the one who brought up the $130,000 a year and said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about that having anything to do with Ali's eligibility to win or lose..

It was ALI who said her family was poor and that several others didn't deserve to win because they, she thinks, have more than she does and her dad is a lawyer but it is a small town and he doesn't make much. In a different convo she said he didn't make any more than $130,000.

My bringing that up was to illustrate that what Ali considers poor is mightily skewed.

Of course that isn't Ali's money, but she claimed that her family is poor.

Just bored.. I've never heard any of the other HG say a thing about Ali's dad's money.. just ALI.. Ali, perhaps in a pre-emptive strike, brought up that people think because her dad is an attorney she doesn't need money.

But Robert's rich family has also been considered fair game by Ali, I do believe.


And Ali has mentioned that Jack has his retirement and his writing so he doesn't need it either.

Ali played the money card. But my quoting of her statement about daddy's income was just to give an idea of what Ali says is poor, not to say it should have any weight in her winning or losing money.

Beruthiel

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali's whole outburst occurred after she overheard Robert and Jun chatting, and thought they were dissing her, for earning $4.00 an hour. I have no idea if they were, as some have said that they were talking about Dana, but it was Ali's perception that they were talking about her that engendered her tirade against them for being rich. She was angry, and vented to Erika. BB CHOSE to show that clip, without showing WHY she was going off on the others, so once again we have editing causing a furore.
Blame it on BB! I always do, and it saves me hours of anguish!

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali has "rabbit ears" and "diarrhea of the mouth". A lethal combination in a game like Big Brother.

Myjohnhenry

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sea...I totally agree that Ali's perception on money is a bit skewed...at least that is what we have seen.

Bernie...of course blaming things on BB is always the best avenue of action! LOL

Seamonkey

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bernie.. Alison's outburst that was shown on last night's show was way before that convo she overheard .. it came after Jee and Robert talked to her about voting Erika out as she has promised them and she felt that they were threatening her.. she came outside, was walking rapidly around and around the yard, ranting, etc and when Erika was soothing her she went into this rant..

The convo she overheard when Robert and Jun were in the bathroom came almost a week later.

So, NO, can't blame this one on BB. Ali took that rant to where it went with nothing connected.. it was about them not respecting her (in her mind).

Seawall

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali should not be able to win the money because her dad makes $130,000 a year. She clearly doesn't need the money. Duh.

Seawall

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Who the he-double-hockey-sticks started this thread anyway. Dang.

Cricket

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lol, Smoky, I too pay attention to what Nexell posts. If Ali and Robt were the last two standing that would not be fun. Even though I feel Ali has played the game, it doesn't necessarily mean I am rooting for her to win. I don't want to see Robert anywhere near the money.

I'd like to see a Jun/Erika final to see how the jury would vote. Ali is dumber than she thinks if she takes Robt to the end with her, because he would win; whereas she may have a very slight chance against Jun. Not sure about Erika.

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I forget who started it. Blame it on Arnold Shapiro.

Beruthiel

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, I stand corrected, I thought there was only ONE tirade, LOL! Thanks, Seamonkey!
{But I'm still gonna blame BB, it's better for my health and peace of mind!}

Ezgoing

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's the Power of Jee. Definitely, the Power of Jee. (channeling Tobor doing Rainman :))

Steveh

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 04:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My only problem with the many passionate defesnes of Ali that I've seen in this thread is that they all start with, "She's playing the game . . ."

No, she's not. IMO, she's just being herself.

"Playing the game" implies that the player thoroughly understands the basic rules (you're miked and cameraed at all times), has developed an overall strategy with contingencies (not relying on minute to minute decisions, not having thought occur simultaneously in her brain and on the tip of her tongue), has realized the basic need to try and be fairly straight with one other player. Ali has done the opposite of all these things.

Unless she's really way smarter than I'd imagined and is relying on chaos theory to show her the way to the half-mill.

Until I see a shred of evidence that shows me otherwise, I'm going to read Ali as someone who is behaving EXACTLY the same way inside the house as she does outside the house.

And--I repeat--she's NOT smart. A smart person would know at least three of the following four: corn is a vegetable, gouda is a cheese, Washington the state and Washington D.C. are not the same place and "supposebly" is NOT a word.

LOL

Tobor7

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 04:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah. Jee's a good driver. Def-- definitely a good driver. <TPOJ>

R151996

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 05:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Steveh, NLOL here.

Since you DO NOT personally know any of the HGs, you are UNQUALIFIED to make blanket statements about their behavior outside the game.

As for as your four-question intelligence test where 75% a is passing score, I can eliminate three of the four straightaway.

Q2--Gouda. I hate cheese and would have no clue about that, and my intelligence has been objectively measured at least above average. Amy would have gotten that one right, but I don't think any intelligence conclusions could or should be drawn from that.

Q3--The word OR. That little word was conveniently edited out for TV purposes but Ali clearly said it on the live feeds. "Washington, DC, or Washington state". You should know this if you check this board thoroughly, despite several attempts by anti-Ali fans to the contrary.

Q4--Given the total "dumbing down" of our educational system, I don't consider any vocabulary used in the house as an intelligence measure. I am sure from watching live feeds that the whole cast this year does know (and has used) every possible variation of the F word ever created.

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 05:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison does not show the polish of a college graduate. Brie and Gouda are quite common varieties of cheese. Ali's use of the F-word would be a crowd pleaser in any trailer park located in the secluded mountain areas of Central Pennsylvania.

Crossfire

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 05:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm a cheese hater as well, and I am glad to know another of the many names that evil food parades under. Dangit, trying to trick me all the time, making a list, keeping it close.

Zachsmom

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 05:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You hate Cheese Crossfire? <faints>

Crossfire

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 05:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, all this time, I thought I was the only person on the planet with a faulty palate. Let me say this though, I wish I did like it, it seems to bring great pleasure to others, and I don't get to enjoy that.

Steveh

Wednesday, September 03, 2003 - 06:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
R151996 - You are correct. I only know what I see. I saw the live feed where Alison CLEARLY confused Washington state and Washington D.C, for example.

Your argument seems to be this. I (SteveH) can only go by what I see of Alison inside the house (she's vain, she's petty, she's fatuous, she's ignorant, she's callous, she's oblivious, she's profane, she's a serial liar, etc. etc.). So how can I conclude that this is how she is outside the house? (We'll set aside things we've heard Donny and Justin say about her outside-the-house behavior or the grisly glimpse we caught of her parents [that explained a lot to me]).

I would only add to what I've already said that Alison's patterns of deceit (she tells everyone that the guy who saved her is "gay") and discrespect (the oldest guy in the house is "creepy") and duplictousness (her "alliances" w/ the other two women) seem VERY familiar to her, not like "strategies" one would have to concoct to play a game, more like patterns she's been practicing for a long, long (like forever) time.

You, on the other hand, have been able to deconstruct (see it as the opposite of what it is) Alison's behavior and formulate some kind of inner vision that envisions her as the sweet, lovable, smart co-ed, "just playin' the game."

Tell me, what do you base your conclusions on? Tell me about one human moment Alison has had since she's been in the house. I haven't watched 24/7, so I could have missed one, or even several, but I don't think so.

Even tonight she exhibited her inability to be anything but phony when she bade farewell to Jee. That intense hug and peck on the cheek made me want to puke.

And please don't point out her "clever" vamp w/ the veto as either human or intelligent. That was just another example of her animal cunning; she didn't rationalize how to put the screws to Jee, it just happened.

Even Robert has had a few human moments in the house, as have all the other houseguests save Alison.

Just my opinion o' course.

P.S. Alison's ignorance re. gouda has little to do w/ cheese appreciation and everything to do w/ multi-cultural awareness (or "Hey, the world doesn't stop at the end of my nose!") and is just one of many examples of Alison's complete lack of any awareness of a world w/ multiple cultures and multiple perspectives.

Sorry you think my test is unfair. I've spent the last 25 years developing tests and I try always to be fair.

As to my last question: What does Alison think the root word of "supposebly" is? Supposable?

Justboredwbb4

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 08:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"And please don't point out her "clever" vamp w/ the veto as either human or intelligent. That was just another example of her animal cunning; she didn't rationalize how to put the screws to Jee, it just happened. "

I saw Ali on the live feeds give Birth to this statement.
She birthed it, practiced it, flaunted it around to the women and then she played with it.

The other night while watching the live feeds Ali had hurt her big toe and went on about it for a bit. I laughed and thought out loud...Oh no Ali is now playing the I hurt my big toe card.