Tobor7 | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 02:48 pm     As I said. The final jury speeches are too late. The jury will already know who they want to vote for and the speeches will not matter. To play for that moment and think you can win it in your speech? I don't think so. |
Naja | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 02:50 pm     Robert and Jee just noticed the X and the bathroom stool are missing and quietly shared the info with Ali. Now if ALi shares the info with Erika, we will know where Ali stands |
Tobor7 | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 02:53 pm     Now if they were smart, they would hide some other things in case Erika starts to notice. Just start moving a lot of things around so she won't know what is up. |
C1mag | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 02:57 pm     Gina for me what I have been doing is playing a hypothetical in that "IF" I were on that Jury. I would definitley want to hear why someone was voting the way they were and if it was just too stupid for me I'd have to challenge it. I'd give them every opportunity to convince me that their way of thinking is the correct approach. The one thing we know about Jurys in general is that you hope that all the members can come to a mutual agreement. Thats why they all meet and discuss. If done properly ( which it has not as of yet) the crazy idea of popularity or hurt feelings may get the shaft after an honest discusion. If this were suppose to be a mere quick vote there is no reason to meet as a jury. Just cast your crazy vote and go on your way. I just think that the show has not made it clear to them yet but they are literally nudging them in the right direction where petty crap is not an earmark in considering who should get a vote. Should we not talk about it just because we aren't on that Jury? Shoot there would be no board if we didn't play hypothetical now would we This has been one of my more funner days on this board because one of the things that intrigues me is why certain ones would vote a certain way because I feel so strongly that you can win this thing all in a solid address to that Jury no matter what lies you have told and who you backstabbed. I want to see that played out so bad. |
C1mag | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 02:58 pm     Tobor you'd have to see it played out first. I think it can be done. Until we see someone try it I'm still thinking it would work. |
Tobor7 | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 03:06 pm     It is a huge gamble to put it all on thinking you can sway things at that point. What if you only have 2 mins to talk? Wouldn't it just be better to read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" before you got on the show? |
C1mag | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 03:14 pm     2 minutes is all I would need trust me. If that speech was a key part of my game that sucker would have been written in my head months earlier. I have so totally enjoyed this debate. I find it interesting. the key to this game is reading people and then playing them both to your advantage and then right out the freakin door LOL No book can teach you that. It's instinct. |
Onlyhuman | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 04:03 pm     C1, I actually think your idea MIGHT work. The problem is, not only has no one tried this, no other finalist has had enough self-awareness to see the repercussions of their actions and honestly address them. See, if Dani said to Amy "Yes, I trashed you behind your back but you trashed other people" she would have completely missed the fact that she told Amy to her face that she would NEVER do something like that. She would be trying to equate Amy's dislike of say Chiara, to her own dislike of Amy, which just would have lost her more ground, because Amy thought that they were closer than that. Amy did not vote against Danielle because Danielle talked about others behind their back, Amy voted against Danielle because Danielle trashed AMY at every opportunity, something Amy NEVER did to Danielle. So Danielle's excuse or justification for her behavior would have backfired. I may not be phrasing this correctly, but what I'm trying to say is that in order to address the concerns of the jury, you have to understand and have honest reasons for your actions. Saying, "it's just a game" is not good enough. Telling others that they are hypocrites is not enough. You have to be honest with them about your strengths and flaws within this game and not give excuses. And then you have to present it in such a way so as not to offend the jury that you are trying to sway by making them feel attacked. It would take a very skilled and self-aware person to pull something like that off and those are not the kind of people you normally find on BB! |
R151996 | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 04:08 pm     BTW Ali did share the info from the Stooges with Erika and Jun. Ali did give some info to Jee and Robert, but not everything--another very smart move. I disagree that Ali is playing only for second place. IMO Ali would have a decent chance to win against Jun in the finals, especially if Jun says a few things to the jury similar to several of her goodbye messages. Ali's pageant interview experience could swing a vote or two in her favor if she is forthcoming. |
C1mag | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 04:22 pm     I agree that they haven't found the right player to pull that off as of yet. I think Roddy might have been that player. I don't think you'd have to make the challenge personal for each one. The bigger challenge is to make it clear to all of them. Again there's that self-aware approach. Assume that some will pull this and be prepared to challenge it articulately. Challenge the idea that they wouldn't vote for you because you trashed talked but somehow they should have been rewarded and yet they trashed talked. It would be so damn interesting to see someone try this approach. The only person who could never get away with this challenge is the one person who would be downright cruel in the game. You'd have to clearly know what is cruel though and not be petty about it. Ali comes close to that in my book with the Jack issue, however as I pointed out Lisa got away with it thanks to Dani playing them all out. I would never do what Ali is gonna allegedly do in regard to the jack boot and suggest something this negative about him but I may have in the game trashed some of them out of anger so I would cover that. As for the lying and backstabbing you can bet I would be the freaking king of that portion of the game with a cute smile on my face LOL Truely hurtful I would never be. |
Ark | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 04:25 pm     I think Ali has a very good chance of winning if Jack goes this week. I have no doubt that the evicted HG will discuss who they would & wouldn't vote for to win. Once Jack is there, I think he will make a case for voting for the best player as opposed to who you like or dislike. I really think that will work for most of the Evictees. Rob is really the only one that will hold a grudge. At this very moment, Ali is sitting in the cat birds seat and she is playing a great game. |
Xarph | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 04:28 pm     Poor Ali. She is so afraid of the boys being mad at her. She is now making a case for keeping Erika with them. |
Misslibra | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 04:51 pm     Xarph you have to admit it was nice to see Robert squirm when Ali was making her case, a good case I might add because she is right If Jack stays no one can win against Jack at the end. I also want to say she did not mention Jack's name when pleading her case as to why Jack should go over Erika, so glad she didn't use the tactic she talked about using against Jack. Robert has his head so far up Ali butt right now. She can hardly walk anywhere. He has been following her around the house, and he keeps calling her name asking her what else is missing. Gawd, he must be getting on her nerves. He knows she holds the key. When she told them she wanted Jack out instead of Erika, he told Jee we're F***! I must say Ali rocked Robert's world there for a sec. LOL She told Robert he was going after Erika for personal reasons, and she is right. Robert of course denied this. Said it was not personal. He told Jee and Ali in fact Erika already told him she would never vote him out. (Newsflash Robert she wants you out next Sherlock) Ali was in the bathroom telling Jun that the guy's think she is with them what is she going to do ??!! Asked Jun to please don't screw her over if she gets HOH. she is sticking with the girls but have pleaded with them both not to nominate her or use her as a pawn if they get HOH. Ali is making a good double agent in this game, you have to give it to her. For best Actress and Double Agent in BB4 the award goes to Ali. Ali also just told Erika what Robert said about not ever voting him out the game. Erika said I just nominated him what is he talking about??!!! |
C1mag | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:00 pm     Miss if Ali doesn't use the "Jack creeps me out" thing then she has played this game golden in my book. The guys won't like her betrayl but again she looked out for Ali. |
R151996 | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:07 pm     Robert is running scared. He is convincing Jee now to tell Jun to vote Erika out, LOL. |
Xarph | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:10 pm     Ali has been playing such a good game that I am not totally sure how she will end up voting. Ali has asked Jun several times to re-assure her that Jun is not out to cross her. Ali is so worried and unsure she may ultimately decide to vote Erika out. Now she has alerted Robert and Jee about wanting Jack out. They may create a scenerio for her that would make her vote Erika out. Ali's vote is not a sure thing in my opinion. Edited to add: And now the Stooges will be less surprised if Erika does stay. This may help Robert win HOH. |
C1mag | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:16 pm     and keeping Jack works for Ali in what way? and since she has layed the cards out in a subtle way that she isn't keeping jack she can't turn back now. I'm totally convinced she is gonna do it but she is so scared she is being screwed by Jun. |
Misslibra | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:16 pm     Robert just told Jee Ali is worrying the F*** out of him. LOL Robert wants Jee to talk to Jun, and ask her to vote to evict Erika right before they vote. Robert said he don't trust Ali and if he wins POV he wants Ali out because he don't trust that b****! Jee said he believes Jun will vote to evict Erika. Robert tells Jee he made up that stuff about Erika not ever voting me out of the game. Robert is pleading with Jee to please ask Jun as a personal favor to vote out Erika. Jee said he will talk again to Ali and tell her in their group everyone sticks with the plan of the group and she should stick with the plan of voting out Erika. Ali's game playing have Robert so nervous I'm loving it. Now they think after treating Jun like they have, saying she isn't with their group anymore to say to her she should vote out Erika and think she will do it. Jun might get insulted that they would even try to use her like that. |
R151996 | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:19 pm     Robert's lie to Ali about Erika has gotten Ali's wheels spinning again. That's why Erika had to swear she would not backstab Ali. But that's also why Jun told Ali we (Jun or Ali) have to win HOH. |
Xarph | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:21 pm     You are very perceptive, Misslibra. I'll bet our newest cat, Steve, would like your Tasha.  |
Misslibra | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:23 pm     Ali and Jun out in the living room talking, and Jee and Robert in the HOH peeking out of the room window at them. Now Jee is worried about those two getting together. Jee call Ali a conniving B****! Jee is going to tell Ali Jun and Robert voting out Erika and she should do the same. LOL Now Robert and Jee in HOH room worried that Ali is telling Jun about the votes. LOL Ali has these guys on the ropes. No Ali is not playing the worst game. Jee just said if these f******* girls dick us man... now Robert want to try to make a deal with Erika if she stays. LOL Oh this is just to funny. LOL |
Misslibra | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:24 pm     Xarph. LMAO !! I bet my Tasha would love your Steve. |
C1mag | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:27 pm     Ok Rob tried real hard to throw in a "are we cool for the vote" and she simply said oh for sure. Trust me she is voting him out. |
Misslibra | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:29 pm     C1mag, opps I mis-read what you said thought you said Ali told Rob she was voting him out. LOL |
C1mag | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:31 pm     hahahaha Miss wishful thinking |
C1mag | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:32 pm     This night will be long because they will keep on Ali and if she does keep Jack it is the dumbest move a player could make. |
C1mag | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:33 pm     hahahahaha ok so I guess Ali easily convinced Robert so maybe they will leave it at that. She has such a way of looking right at them calmly and looking so honest. Does Rob have SUCKER on his forhead or what? |
Misslibra | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:36 pm     C1, he has something that ryhmes with sucker on his forehead. LOL |
Misslibra | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:38 pm     Yes that was to easy Rob believe Ali and told Jee it's ok Ali said she would vote to evict Erika. I think the poor guy just want to believe her because he don't want to have a melt down. One of his melt downs would probably be him doing 200 of his many tics a minute. LOL |
C1mag | Monday, August 25, 2003 - 05:38 pm     hahahahaha too funny |