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Archive through August 02, 2003
C1mag | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:21 am     Red if you tell me in advance I'd shove a metal cup on and let ya kick away hahahahahahaha |
Whit4you | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:22 am     Ok behave this isn't the S/m thread!! |
Redstar | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:23 am     Oh, sure, C1, take all the fun out of it for me! |
C1mag | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:26 am     Not really Red you'd still get to kick me there it's just that I'd get to live through it |
Whit4you | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:26 am     Wondering how long it'll take for the 'USA today lurkers' to figure out that most of the posters here are posting from the computer center in their mental ward... |
C1mag | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 12:27 am     True whit. From bad editing to getting a swift kick in the boys is a sharp turn LOL |
Mrose4243 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 07:00 am     Got up this morning to read these opinions on the Nate thing. Before reading, I felt that Ali 'outed' Nate on Nat'l TV. I liked that a lot of you pointed out that it was Ali's OPINION and that Ali is a known liar. In that context, I guess the producers will get away with airing it, because I still thought it was in bad taste. Because of you thoughtful people, I now think that the Nate thing wasn't so bad, but what they did to Jun was horrible. Not a Jun fan, but I can relate, and I feed bad for her being shown that way. Just like they CHOSE to air Erika's comments about Jee a couple of weeks ago. I do wonder why they choose certain HGs to do this to? Why didn't they show Justin running to his buddies with Ali's opinion of Nate. Why didn't they do a 'montage' of Robert's nose obsession? They sure did a job on Gerry's lack of hand washing last year! BTW - C1, Red, Whit, thanks for the laughs first thing in the AM! t |
Outlawout | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 07:22 am     For what it's worth, there might be more homophobia in objecting to Allison's speculation about Nate's sexuality (and in CBS airing it), than in Allison's judgement. Being upset about the comment implies that she has accused him of something very wrong or objectionable. If Allie had said, "I think Nathan might secretly color his hair" or even "I don't think Nathan changes his underwear" we might think she's a catty b**** but we wouldn't necessarily have this sort of outrage and we wouldn't worry that Nathan's reputation had somehow been damaged. If being gay is a fine and valid lifestyle choice that we appreciate and accept as a culture, it would be no big deal for people to make such speculations about each other. |
Redstar | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 07:35 am     You said that perfectly, Outlaw. Thank you. |
Costacat | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:01 am     I'm not reading all the posts in this thread, but my thoughts are: I don't think there is a whole lot of "nice" stuff from which the producers can choose. These people have constantly badmouthed each other, and the house if full of negativity. In addition, every single one of these folks signed up for what they are currently living. Now, yes, I agree that Ali has no business putting a label on Nathan without proof. And I do think it was cruel to show Jun's eating disorder and the resultant weight gain. But Jun has babbled quite a bit about how "perfect" she is and how so very unperfect the rest of the women are. Sunshin, not EVERYONE bloats when they are having a menstrual cycle. I don't, and never have. Jun's weight gain is from overeating. That montage, cruel as it may have seemed, was pretty darned true. She is constantly eating. Even during yesterdays "quiet time" before the POV competition, she got up to get some snacks. She, herself, admitted her jeans don't fit. I don't know how Jun lost all that weight she did, but it appears (to me) that she didn't modify her lifestyle. Dropping poundage without changing your eating habits, your lifestyle, or addressing the need to overeat will pretty much guarantee failure in keeping the pounds off. The others have noticed her weight gain. What surprises me is no one is supporting her, and trying to help her avoid her constant eating/snacking/nibbling. Do I think these little montages will permanently "damage" the houseguests? Nope. No more so than I think Dana will be "damaged" by her constant cussing and derogatory comments. More than anything, I think their reputations were damaged the moment they first walked in the door of that house. I think what is more cruel is that these people think they will be rich and famous when they exit the house... they are in for a very rude awakening and *that* will also be in the public eye. All of the above is my opinion. You, of course, are entitled to your own opinion. |
Aus10 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:15 am     Costa said "Sunshin, not EVERYONE bloats when they are having a menstrual cycle. I don't, and never have." Costa....may I say.....in the nicest way.....PPPFFFTTT. *rasberry* I'm jealous!!! I bloat so much on my last vacation (why do I always plan my vacation for that week??) I was on the beach and just knew the people from Greenpeace were gonna show up because they thought there was a beached whale washed up on shore. |
Cafe976 | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 08:34 am     One thing we have to consider is that the producers read the boards to see what people are saying about what they see on the feeds. On this board and others people have commented freely on Jun's constant eating and weight gain... If they had not shown this on TV, would there not be some complainers asking where is the reality in this reality TV? Second thing, this show is all about what being locked in a house for a competition does to people. Some lose, some gain. Some get quiet, some become bullies. A very few can stop themselves from overreacting constantly in a way that causes them to make stupid game moves. They still have Allie makes out with Nathan, then tries to seduce Justin, then makes out with David... footage to use later if they want to lampoon Alison. Bet me money, that if Alison's intimacy with anyone who is willing becomes a topic of conversation in the house for any reason, they will use it. Yes, the editing is cruel... But they're not fabricating anything! This is all real stuff that real guinea pigs, who signed themselves up for this, have done and said. I think the Gay Nathan scene said more about Alison who seems to have a relationship with him but now guaranteed him safe only for the week and betrayed him by telling an enemy she thinks he is gay than it did about Nathan. JMO. |
Lurknomore | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:01 am     Ok for those that missed this "party" here last night (excuse me while I extricate my tongue from my cheek...POP) please take one thing into account. A group of folks started turning this into a "what is wrong with being gay" issue. I for one in no way, shape or form think that is the point here. The point is do Producers of a National TV show, on a major network, have a right to have someone announce to the world that someone else is gay, when that person never said they are, and the person saying it has NO knowledge on the topic? Is that responsible? Is it professional or correct behavior? I fail to see how anyone can say yes. We do not know Nate. We have no clue how he, or his family, friends, church, and community will take this. We can speculate and have at length. But the bottom line is why should he have to take this? All because he has no interest in Ali so therefore she assumes he's gay? Or because he's been prejudiced AGAINST homosexuals so therefore it's someone's right to falsely make everyone think he is one, so a lesson is shoved down his throat? Who actually learns lessons that way anyways? If they wanted to show comments HE made, such as his anti-gay comments ok, well, it's not really why I came to watch this show but since he said it I would allow it would be fair game. It is at least something he said or did, not, as they aired, mere speculation about someone else WHILE NEVER CLARIFYING IT WAS ONLY SPECULATION. They didn't even, as was pointed out above, have the decency to show Justin running to the G3 and blabbing all (after saying whatever they say stays between them) and then later flip to Nate making an anti-homosexual remark. What I continue to object to is 1)Nate did nothing to have America now believe he is gay, 2)They did not present a fair or accurate portrayal by not presenting it as an opinion and not a known fact, and 3)It's plain cheesy and in a quality of the supermarket tabloids. IMHO this isn't how any professional show should be run and based on the Jenny Jones deaths we have seen that TV shows DO impact people in real life and there can be sad and unneccessary consequences when Producers go too far for our "entertainment." Lastly 4)I wasn't entertained my this I was sickened as it was wrong, and has the potential to cause real life damage. So for all those busy now discussing prejudice,racism, etc ok fine, let's chat about it if that's what you all want to chat about it. But PLEASE realize that isn't the issue about the piece that aired in my perception. |
Cricket | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:04 am     Last night Nate yelled out "I'm NOT gay...I love wooomans" I wonder if they will show that next week? I agree with those that said this reflects worse on Ali than on Nate. She has a very weird personality. Regarding the producers reading these boards, there might be something to it. Dana said last night she hates going to the DR. She said they were p**sing her awf. (surprise) I remember reading right after Ali won HOH that Dana stated the DR asked her if she thought God had a hand in it. Oh.....I'd love to see them show her response to that. That might be why she said she was thinking of becoming an aetheist, lol. Think about it. What a better place to get ideas for the show than these boards, and it doesn't cost them a dime. |
Lurknomore | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:08 am     I agree Cricket..I always said we are a free focus group for them. BUT that said, given how the generally go AGAINST popular opinion here it, not to mention refuse to cast show fans but recruit people that have never seen it, you have to wonder HOW they use this board and others. Why they repeatedly disregard what the fan majority wants is even a better question....but I think that's a new thread lol. |
Xarph | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:19 am     It is not the editing. It is the script. In this case the script is taken from the theater of the real. These are real people acting the way real people act under stress. The producers are not forcing Ali to be promiscuous, Dana to be annoying, Jack to be witty, Jun to be chubby, Jee to be struggling with kicking the habit, or Scott to be disturbed. The producers are using the material provided by the cast as they live life under stress. I do not believe for a second that "it is just the game" that is making people act this way. It is the stress. Put any one of these people under stress in real life and they will act the same way. Put any one of us under stress and the result for most will not be pretty. Listens to these people describe their real lives (jobs, friends, activities, education, and achievements) and compare those lives to the stress personalities you are seeing. You will see for each of them that their stress personality is the career limiting factor just as it is a limiting factor on their ability to play this game. |
Maris | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:19 am     quote: A group of folks started turning this into a "what is wrong with being gay" issue. I for one in no way, shape or form think that is the point here. unquote Speaking for myself, I didnt see it as a what is wrong with being gay position but rather what is wrong with SAYING someone is gay. It really isnt a big deal and I think a lot worse things have been said by HGs about other HGs. On top of that as a live feed watcher I have watched Nathan make homophobic comments every single day and my view was well maybe he will see what it is like to be discriminated against. It might change his tune just a little bit. I do think the television show should have shown some of his "fruitcake" comments as a set up for the punchline, it probably would have made it more entertaining. I dont think that Nathan, is going to be killed over one little statement like this nor do I think anyone who knows him would even care what a bunch of nutty houseguests say about him. I think he is more likely to get into trouble when he gets home for the way he laughed, kicked up his feat and almost mocked the bible. I would be more worried about that if I were him. If anything that would probably embarrass and humiliate his parents more. |
Spunky | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 09:28 am     Wow Lurknomore, how beautifully said!! I too took Ali's opinion as a slander on her more than on Nate... BB aired Justin's telling the others (and to Nate as well) that Ali is a 'PATHOLOGICAL LIAR' and maybe were hoping the tv audience would take that in consideration when hearing what she said. My first reaction was not at all to wonder if it was true or not, I just wondered 'her reasons' for saying that, did she say that so Justin wouldn't be jealous of Nate? did she say that to make understand Nate is not a rival? did she say that so Justin would stop being in awe of Nate's looks, or did she say that because somehow she was jilted by Nate, or did she say that because she noticed Nate's conservative outlook and wanted to say the opposite... well, Justin should have known better than to believe her and run to tell the others as if it was true. He did say she is a pathological liar and yet he took it as if he was told some big secret... and here we are making a federal case on the whole issue because a liar said so. However, I greatly admired some of the posters for their upfront opinions and the overall discussion was quite interesting!! |
Mizinvanccouver | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 10:42 am     I just finished watching Friday, Aug 1st episode and was astounded how quickly Jun has gained weight. I guess because I don't watch the live feeds I didn't realize how much she has gained. She even said she hopes to lose the food competition in order to have a crash diet of P&J. I guess she'll be putting on more weight this week. I'm a binge eater as well and I would probably gain weight from sheer boredom. (Anyone get a freeze frame shot of the pic they showed of Jun on Friday with her in a bikini at 5 days and then this week? If you could post it that would be very cool.) |
Gidget | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:18 am     The picture is posted in TONIGHT'S SHOW ** AUGUST 1 SPOILERS. |
Mizinvanccouver | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:23 am     Thanks Gidget....I also found it in Jun's Montage thread. Actually that's where I think my post should have been moved to. |
Costacat | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:28 am     Hey Aus... let me, in the nicest way possible, PFFT! back at ya!!! <smooch> And oh, yeah, I think the montage of Jun eating was a bit in poor taste. But hello? Does she do much else in that house? Folks are on the couches playing cards... Jun is on the couch eating. Folks are outside working out... Jun is eating. Jun is cooking dinner... Jun is eating. We've all commented on how often she eats. Whether or not someone read the boards and thought I would bet lots of catnip that the camera folks and editors noticed her eating all of the time, too. I mean, if we noticed it, wouldn't they? In addition to constant feeds, they also have tape to review. (And aren't ya glad YOU don't have to sift thru hours of tape, watching and listening to THIS crew, just to make an hour's TV show?) I thought I said this somewhere, but I'm really disappointed in the others in the house. They've noticed her eating and weight gain, yet no one is supporting her or helping her in any way. If I were in that house, I'd probably try and steer her away from cooking and snacking. Or asking that the only snacks provided be carrot sticks, rather than potato chips. There are a lot of health conscious people in there, including fitness trainers. They should be more supportive. And oh, yeah... one more PFFT! to Aus! <grin> All of the above is my opinion. |
Gidget | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:29 am     It was IMHO cruel to for BB to show the two pictures of Jun. I did not have a problem with the montage of eating or the jeans being too tight thing, but the Day 5/Day 25 thing was just horrible. As for Nathan. I know a very religious person who went berserk when someone intimated that his sometime roommate was gay... and I don't even think they were serious when they said it. For some people, being gay is a huge issue. Sure that's their problem. But something with as large a scope as a national TV program should have had some sensitivity and countered the comment. Perhaps a little snippet of Nate telling Ali how disappointed he was in her behavior the night she got drunk and was all over Justin in the hot tub. The same religious person that I referred to earlier would have nothing to do with a woman who behaved as loosely as Ali has been behaving. I don't know if Nate is gay and I don't care. But he seems to take this Christian stuff pretty seriously. I think he was taken in initially by Ali's all-American girl act but he has since seen her more for what she really is and wants nothing to do with THAT, hence Ali's comment. I don't think she can conceive of a man with self control. |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:38 am     Interesting that Jun was shown on one or two early shows making her "I am perfect" remarks but if you listen to live feeds what you hear is her talking about feeling fat.. She's gained weight, that is clear but look at the issues.. she has recently lost a large amount so the fat cells indeed ARE still there. She probably did have some water retention.. especially after a week of sodium-laden Burger King items.. she's a stress eater.. she's the cook.. AND she just quit smoking.. YIKES! So what was shown on tv was true, if cruel. Yes.. it would indeed be funny to see them take on the scene of Robert's nose. And cruel. They could show how often Erika hides behind those sunglasses too. |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 11:43 am     I think the other women aren't trying to support Jun in healthy ways because they see it as a competition, body-wise. Just as the guys know that Jack can't use making a move on one of the women as a strategy (he's even said that)because he's in a REAL outside relationship, same with Jee, the women see Jun as not competing in that way. |
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