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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1: Erika's JA is BB1 Josh?: Archives: Archive through August 30, 2003

Smokey

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is amazing and great job all you guys who figured this one out!

I doubt there are many, if any similarities in how they play the game. BB1 was so totally different in how it was played. We voted for the person to be evicted so they weren't all working each other over and scheming to stay in. Remember how we would get upset to see them even hinting at some sort of plan to win over another? It was soooooooo different. Now it's accepted that they scheme and form alliances.

It doesn't bother me that these two are connected so much as it bothers me that it's been hidden. It just makes you go "hmmmmmmmmmmmm" about the casting practices and about how much is staged and controlled by CBS.

Lauram

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't understand how Robert is keeping quiet. He came into this house hating Erika and he has done everything possible to hurt her. Why wouldn't he tell her secret??

Bbrock

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
http://www.realitystars.com/BB4/bb4home.html

I know it's nothing, but I noticed that when you click on each of the BB4's photo's, a larger photo appears. Erika's doesn't coincide with the others as far as background goes. Even though many are different. Erika's is totally different, like it was taken in front of someones house??

Cliotheleo

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lauram, at first I thought maybe Josh simply didn't sign the disclosure agreement that all the other friends and family members of the HGs sign so that the HGs can discuss them. But then no, we'd just get FOTH if Robert decided to talk about Josh. Hmmmm........

I agree, BB1 and BB4 are totally different games. But I think it's just too simple for the two of them to be SO close and his experience not affect how she is playing the game. There's got to be more to it than that.

Justshirley

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can totally understand why Erika is keeping this info to herself. Granted, WE all know what a different game BB1 was from what it is now. But remember, more than half of these HGs were either recruited to apply (David) or are only there because their exes applied (Amanda, Michelle, Justin, Robert, Jee and Ali). I don't think any of them were even fans of the show. Wasn't there mention made that they were given tapes of BB3 to view before they came in the house? I think the only ones I've heard talking about any season other than BB3 were Jack, Erika and Dana, all of whom admitted that they were HUGE fans.

In other words, I don't think that they would understand just how different the game was.

Anyway, as far as Erika keeping it secret, she's smart, in that ANYTHING that could even potentially make you appear more threatening should be avoided at all costs.

What an interesting piece of information this is to come out. It really makes me look at Erika's whole experience in this house in an entirely new way, with the whole X Factor. I mean, she obviously decided long before entering the house that her strategy, for whatever reason, was to keep this relationship secret. Then, 3 hours after the game starts, in walks her nightmare of an ex, who KNOWS!!

And Lauram is right -- that really is the biggest mystery here -- why in the world has Robert not told?

Bonzacat

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I missed the pre-BB4 speculation about the subject, but couldn't Erika be The Mole??????

Kidding. Great detective work, all. Play on, Erika!

Thetruth

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 08:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was banned by Josh Souza.

Or at least by his webmaster. I posted in the forums at Realitystars.com (a site josh co-founded) and joshsouzaonline.com asking him to address the Erika situation and explain how he can publish 'objective' reviews with his girlfriend in the game.

Within an hour of posting, the messages were deleted and I was banned from both forums. Apparently someone doesn't want the truth to be made public on those sites. What a sad way to deal with the situation.

This morning a new thread was started on realitystars, and it has not been shut down yet. I guess you can't silence everyone.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Some Random thoughts...

-Erika has said the relationship has been 'on again, off again' for a few years. I think since her break-up with Robert.

-I'm certain CBS is behind Josh taking the pix off his website and the fact that all parties are keeping quiet. Erika won't want to say anything because it might bias other players against her. CBS doesn't want to say anything because, amongst other reasons, it highlights their casting methods are nothing like they advertise. Clearly there was a very coordinated effort to keep this out of the press.

-I love the internet - because nothing stays secret for long here. LOL

-This explains Erika's in depth knowlege of how BB works, including the internet. Perhaps it explains her extreme modesty. She knows better than the others.

-If she wins a money prize, will they be the first couple to go on the same reality show and win money? or at least a big time, full season one like BB or Survivor or TAR?

-How many of the current HGs actually applied? Dana and... anyone else? Maybe Jun?

-How long before the entertainment press gets a hold of this story? Will they (the press) care? What will CBS say?

Jamisinc

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just for the sake of information,,,someone mentioned Josh being sencond place and therefore getting $50,000. BB1 had 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Josh won $100,000 and Curtis, 3rd place won $50,000.

As far as Erika getting any help from Josh,,,BB4 doesn't really have anything in common with BB1.

Squaredsc

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
it boggles the mind how producers pick cast members that know each other. there are connections btw bb, survivor, and tar. how is this possible? out of the millions of people that i am sure apply. do they intentionally look for people who know each other? i find this very sad and feel kind of bad for the people who try out for these shows and get turned down and instead they cast people who know each other.

Seamonkey

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun applied. Jack applied. Dana applied. Scott applied. and Erika says she applied. All of the others were recruited, either directly, or as exes.

Alison has said she was recruited because of her ex but they dropped that ex (maybe the abusive relationship mentioned in an interview with her parents) and then Justin was brought in as her ex.. then Ali turns around and claims that she practiced for this, so it sounds as if she knew she was coming in longer than many of them.

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Josh won $100,000, not $50,000. Curtis, in third, won $50,000.

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I'm completely with Wendo and posted in the other thread last night about that.. The only thing that matters to me is that Josh is posting comments AS IF he is starting out the season unbiassed, but this isn't true and it isn't revealed and his writing is definitely Erika biased.

I sent the following to Josh and the webmaster of realitystars.

Isn't it interesting that Josh is allowed to comment on BB4 without revealing just why he comes off as so pro-Erika?? Of course he is highly prejudiced and thus his writing should be considered as Erika fan club material, not as reasoned commentary on the entire cast.

Bad journalism.

Lynn Duncan
Fountain Valley, CA

JoshSouza@realitystars.com webmaster@realitystars.com

In case anyone else wants to write :)

Puzzled

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Erika has a relationship with Josh, then I'm glad for her.

Ha-ha, Robert's "connection" with show-biz is probably Erika.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Everyone 'applied', but many after being asked to do so. I thought Jack was recruited after his publications were noticed.

So we have Jun, Dana, Scott. 3 out of 13? LOL

Seamonkey

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, if the person is approached and asked to apply, then I consider that as being recruited. By Applied I meant that the person went to the website, got the application, filled it out, made a tape and sent it in.

Earthmother

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Who cares how they got there...Lisa didn't apply either last year. She made it perfectly clear she was recruited..

Squaredsc

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i think it matters to all of the people who applied thru normal channels. but its their show so they can do what they want to i guess.

Earthmother

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The first year all were applicants and everyone said it was boring, so maybe they had to start recruiting for entertainment purposes.

Squaredsc

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
possibly. lol cause i too thought bb1 was very boring.

Bbfanatic

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i dont care how they get on the show. great, if erika is josh's girlfriend. i dont think his knowledge of playing bb is going to help her any more than someone getting on the show who has watched bb every year. bb1 was played differently and remember josh didnt come in 1st.
i would think by now it is obvious reality shows dont necessarily get contestants from applications all the time. its nothing new. i dont care personally. this is entertainment for me. it would have been fun to have had josh come in as her ex instead of robert for bb4.

Friktion

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I totally agree that Erika's taste in men has improved 100%, BUT -

Does anyone else think she might have a mothering complex with her men? Josh was very needy, certainly not a Macho-man type (hence the totally unwarranted gaydar jokes) and I'll always remember him as an incredibly sweet, naive childlike boy who was crying in his beer that night (anyone remember)? He seemed to me to be so incredibly vulnerable and defenceless that you wanted to protect him. And Robert - don't get me started! If anyone ever needed rescuing it's Robert ...

Smokey

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, this knowledge made Erika go up a few pegs in my opinion. :) I couldn't figure out how a girl like her was with a guy like Robert in the first place. Thinking of her with Josh makes me feel better! Of course I must admit that Josh is one of my all-time favorite BB players along with Eddie.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I really don't mind that the cast is mostly recruited, since it does make for a more interesting show. What I mind is the dishonesty of how that cast is promoted. They make it sound like it's an honest cross section of America and that they all applied. Instead it's a bunch of folks with Hollywood aspirations.

A side point - this cast has bothered me too, because off all the early 20 something college students. All but one being given a misleading title, when they really are, pretty much college students. (Nate, Justin, Ali, Jee) None of the titles were lies, but none defined them as well as 'college student' would have. I suppose Nate and Ali could have been called 'recent graduates'.

It all smacks of false advertising. That bothers me!

Seamonkey

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well "everybody" didn't think BB1 was boring. Any number of people, including me, still liked that one best. Just saying..


And considering all the discussion, it is pretty clear that many people do care how they got there.

Erika was complaining loudly the other day that most of the people this year didn't apply.

Seanflynn2003

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 10:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina - how is the cast promoted like a cross-section of America? I have never gotten that impression.

Bbfanatic

Saturday, August 30, 2003 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree seanflynn, i have never gotten that impression either.