Archive through August 09, 2003
TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: Big Brother USA 2003 General Discussions Part 1:
I'm starting to like Robert......do I need psychiatric help??:
Archive through August 09, 2003
Kaili | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 12:02 pm     Somehow I haven't heard Robert's derogatory comments myself- only have heard a lot about them. Maybe that's just because I don't watch him often though... |
Smokey | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 12:04 pm     Same with me, Kaili. I've heard it here on this board, but seems like whenever I watch my feeds (which is less and less all the time and normally this time in the season it increases) he isn't shown a lot. I hate derogatory comments about women, probably more than most. |
Earthmother | Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 12:57 pm     Wood, he's seen picking his nose every night!!! |
Tameh | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 06:02 am     I'm surprised people express such disdain for Robert due to his nose picking.Does anyone watch the news ? I applaud him for his incredible strength to successfully battle his addiction. Which guy would you choose? Guy#1 - Picks nose, recovering alcoholic, is emotional Guy#2- doesn't pick nose, is a disgusting drunk, expresses little to no emotion |
Demeter | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 06:18 am     Guy#3 - Picks nose, recovering alchoholic, disgusting misogynist Guy #4 - None of the above |
Marymary | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 06:35 am     I agree that no one is ALL bad! But here's Robert in his own words last night....I clipped this out of the live feeds. I'll let him speak for himself: Jee goes out to living room. Rob: Jee is actually thinking about proposing right now. We can't tell him we were only joking! Robert telling Justin they are alot alike. In America people think getting married and having kids is the way to live but that isn't true. He doesn't regret getting married, she is beautiful and nice but the divorce just sucks to go through. Jee walks in and asks what they are talking about. Robert tells them divorce. Something Jee will never go through. Robert says he will not marry a broke bi*ch. If he does it again she needs to have money. Justin tells him he should be picky next time. Ro: 90% of people, even people out there (points to living room) settle. I'll never do that. What keeps a woman is sex and money. Love has nothing to do with it. You want a woman you have to pay for it. They just want money, the bi*ches I want I'll have to pay for. I don't want a w*ore, I want a slamming girl I have to pay for (ed. is he for real??) |
Bobbie_552001 | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 06:57 am     I didn't like him before....and I don't like him now. What a sad thing to say...thanks for sharing Marymary. |
Beachmama | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 07:18 am     I'd have to say that if you still like this guy after the things he said last night.. yes, you need help Smokey. |
Smokey | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 07:32 am     ok ok ok ok. I have to accept the fact that I like no one in this house. ugh. This has never happened before. I would go back and forth between liking 2-3 or them. I do agree with Tameh and the nose picking stuff. That isn't why I don't like him, although I find myself looking away every time he starts heading in the direction to do some of that. |
Costacat | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 07:50 am     I don't like him. Period. I have moments of empathy for him (during last night's show as he was talking about his alcoholism). But every single time I start to think he's maybe not as bad as I think he is, he opens his mouth and says something completely derogatory and humiliating towards women. As I stated in another thread, I don't know if he's a misogynist, but he's definitely sexist. (And I self-moderated myself there!) Someone who has no respect for women does not deserve MY respect. |
K9lover1 | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 08:08 am     I agree Costacat. Robert's thoughts on women are so disgusting they wipe out whatever "nice" things he may say. I personally wouldn't give him the time of day. |
Delilah | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:02 am     It is one thing to learn something from a failed relationship, "one bitten, twice shy" and all that. It is good to come out of a failed relationship having learned something about yourself (good and bad), what you want and don't want etc... But what he has learned is very sad. If he truly feels this way about women and what women want (and what men want) from a committed relationship then I feel very sad for his daughter that he is the male role model in her life. I commend him on his life changing attitude towards his addiction(s) (He said he was a cocaine abuser also, hence all the sniffling...) and I am sure it must be very difficult to fight the urge to drink every day. His ephiphany when he saw the bum on the street has changed his outlook on life but unfortunatley he doesn't realize what makes life so beautiful and special -the bonds we form with others. I can't really see him having a successful relationship if this is the way he feels about women. Yes I am sure he was hurt and his divorce was tough but his attitude is just all wrong. He needs to do some work on himself, hopefully with the help of a psychologist. His journey to turn his life around has just begun, methinks he has a long way to go. JMHO |
Tatyana | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 09:09 am     Costacat you summed up what I think about Robert myself but I couldn't find the words to express myself last night in chat. Thanks. |
Kalekona | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 11:06 am     I watch the live feeds and i too have only heard limited comments by Robert about women, and none much different than things said by ALL the other guys in the house. As for his cimments last night, it is clear he is putting up walls a defence. Many things people condem Robert for that I've actually heard him say have been taken as fact when much is nothing more than bravado talk. Jee3 gets slammed for acting like "jerks" in hoh but if you really watched the other night they were joking, and having fun with it (unlike Dana) even Jack understood that and played along. There is nothing wrong with liking Robert he isn't the devil some would like to make him out to be and the nose picking talk is about worn out. Yes he has his hand around his nose often, but i have never seen him digging like people say. Between allergies and a very large nose of which he could be self conscious i think it's understandable why he has his hand around his nose a lot. Doesn't mean he's picking it everytime. many people on these boards sound like elementery school kids with the whole "robert is picking his nose" obsession. Does he need sensitivity training? Yes. But do i think he's a serial killer or abuser? No I like him, he's a loyal friend and i believe with the right woman and feeling 100% secure in the relationship he could be a loyal partner too. (but it would have to be the right woman not just anyone) He might also be one of those guys who feels he doesn't deserve to be happy so he self implodes with all his relationships. |
Gina8642 | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 11:16 am     The way I kind of see it is - There is sooo much to dislike about Robert, so why to people need to create more stuff? However, I've been posting here for awhile and every season there are wild conspiracy theories on some HGs and all the horrible things they are/have done. By now I'm used to it. Just like in real life, you just need to use some common sense to ferret out the real from the exaggerated. |
Csnog | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 11:29 am     Kalekona, I do believe that you are somewhat related to Robert or know him personaly. It is plain to me from your writings about Robert that you know him or someone like him very well. |
Kalekona | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 11:34 am     Right i know Robert... that's pretty funny. I don't find him a monster and can see good in him or possible reasons behind why he is like he is and i must be related to him. Sorry to dispell your belief but i do not know Robert or anyone else on the show. I just have an open mind and look at all sides, and do not follow the crowd just because it is the popular thing to do. Sorry to disappoint you. |
Csnog | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 11:41 am     I'm not disappointed at all. Just find it interesting that you seem to like someone who degrades women. I have tried to look at all his sides but he puts his worst side in the house but they don't show it on TV. 99% of the posters don't lke him either so there must be something you see that we don't. |
Kalekona | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 11:47 am     And there must be something Erika saw and all the other women he's been with. Would i date the man? Heck no. But i'd love to educate him a little. I just think it's an interesting view of human nature that so many people must villify someone to have a good time, It was very clear that once Dana was gone Robert would be the target, followed by Jun and Ali. No one is all bad and half the stuff he says is all for show and self permotion so it goes in one hear and out the other. I find it odd that so many people find Jacks buzzard comment funny when I thought it was tastless and showed little class. It's all perspective. |
Beruthiel | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:05 pm     Kalekona, I've hesitated to openly disagree with you about Robert, because you obviously feel that he is misunderstood, and cannot understand why most of us do not like him, but just because you feel that way, does not mean that our opinions are any less valid, or well-considered. I have seen you post innumerable times that Robert has allergies, and that is why his hands are always at his nose. Allow me explain to you why this does not change my opinion. I have severe allergies, so much so that catching a simple cold causes me great discomfort. Even when I don't have a head cold, I still have blocked ears, sinuses, itching eyes etc, heck, even my ears itch. But I've never had to have my hands at my nose as Robert does. It doesn't help, it can't possibly help him, if indeed he has allergies, and, in fact would cause him more discomfort. So, from personal experience, and because of other family members similarly afflicted, I don't believe that Robert fiddles with his nose all day because he has allergies. You have described Robert's unpleasant talk as bravado, he's insecure, etc., and that a good woman would set him on the right path, but how can you possibly know this with such certainty? Can you read his mind, or his body language so much better than anyone else here who watches him every day? Do you honestly believe that a man of his age would change his character just because a woman wanted him to? I do admire your certainty, if so, because it's hard enough trying to change a teenager, never mind an adult male who's set in his ways. I have two adult sons in their thirties, as well as a husband of almost forty years, so I think I can speak with some experience in that respect. I'm sorry that you are in the minority, and that you feel obliged to defend Robert every day. Just because the majority have a different opinion does not invalidate the majority opinion, and we do not jump on the bandwagon. We each judge for ourselves based on what we see and hear, and on our moral values, and on our own life experiences, as I assume you do. That we come to different conclusions is not a fault, nor is it something to be condemned. The term agree to disagree has become almost a joke, but in fact, when people cannot agree, it is a valuable tool that allows everyone to retire from the field of battle with a clear conscience. Each person has made his or her point, and ensured that they have been heard, and, since minds cannot or will not be altered by discussion, it avoids the constant repetition of the same arguments over and over with no effect other than to cause ill-feeling and upset. I sincerely hope that you can agree to disagree with me about Robert, because we will not change each other's minds, and it's so tiring to go over and over the same subject to no avail. Peace, Kalekona. |
Tishala | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:33 pm     Well, if that is Robert's opinion about the women in the house, it seems like he should find friends on this board. After all, we cannot wait to denigrate Dana, Ali, and Jun for whatever "mistake" they make on the live feeds. [This reminds me of a story about a woman going to a butcher who asks the butcher to see a chicken. The woman looks under the wing, in the neck, at its breasts, in its cavity...and finally says "oh, I don't think this is such a good chicken." The butcher replies, "lady, if anybody looked over you like you looked over that chicken, you wouldn't look so good either!"] |
Costacat | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:35 pm     Kale, I don't know why you insist in denying the rest of us the right to our own opinions. But let me just say this: Generally, if someone is "throwing up walls" there is someone THERE for whom the walls are built. Robert is in a very protected environment. He is not developing a relationship with anyone in the house. Why would he be throwing up walls? There is no need to do so. Also, how do you KNOW that the things Robert has said are "bravado" talk. Without actually being there with him, and talking to him, you cannot, with any certainty assert that claim. You also claim you "don't know Robert" and therefore I really WOULD like to know how you make that claim. I can, and will continue, to avow my intense dislike of Robert. His attitude towards women sets us back 30 years. I won't go so far as to call him a <M>(cause, heck, that's name calling and not allowed here!). But you can draw your own inferrals based on my comments. And please allow those of us who do NOT LIKE ROBERT to voice our own opinions. |
Demsome | Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:35 pm     I have noticed alot of ugly guys are actually the worst in their attitudes toward women. Maybe it has to do with all the rejection from them (beautiful women) they had in Middle School and High School. |
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