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Iceprincess

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ok... :) I emailed my complaints to Shapiro's production company. I feel better now...I was nice, made my comments, pointed out what I thought was good, then thanked them. I am so proud of myself, no 4 letter words!!! LOL

Costacat

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not FOTH either, Ice?

Iceprincess

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You caught me Costa! I did use FOTH just once. LOL

Lurknomore

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How long was the letter Ice? LOL I'm scared how long I could go on for about how Arnie has destroyed this show.

Costacat

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know. Seriously, I don't know if I'd really wanna get started. I may not be able to STOP!!! <grin>

And Ice, if you wanna, how's about sharing some of the high points? Just a brief bit, if you wanna... <hint hint smooch>

Iceprincess

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 08:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is a copy of the email I sent the company...My main beef with the show is the food...LOL


Quote:

Mr. Shapiro and Staff,

I have a few questions concerning this year's season of Big Brother.

1. While I understand that the peanut butter and jelly only part of the game is tough on houseguests, why are you allowing this group of people to eat syrup, cinnamon, garlic and oil? To me, this seems like you (the producers) are catering to the houseguests whining about no food. They should be reminded that they signed up for this and it is part of the game and if they don't like it, there is a door to walk out.

2. I have heard numerous conversations on the feeds regarding Justin, Jee and Robert splitting of the prize money, is this not infact a violation of the rules?

Mr. Shapiro, in the past I have enjoyed the show and its many twists, however this year I am disappointed with the dynamics of the cast. They are all the same, and honestly make me sick with their potty mouths and whining. I thought the ex factor twist would be very interesting, but instead in my opinion it has come up flat. I don't want this email to sound so negative so I do want to praise you and your staff on some things. I thank you emmensley for giving the houseguests a good orientation to the game, this year by far there are fewer front of the house shots (FOTH), and the house design looks good. I enjoy the motif and a few of the changes made.

I am still looking forward to this season and hope it does indeed pick up.

Thank you kindly,
My name withheld just incase someone wants to hurt me ;-)


Msreiziger

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 08:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Iceprincess, what an intelligent, articulate letter! The praises and complimentary comments at the end ensure that it will be read. I am thinking of sending one as well. It REALLY annoys me that Shapiro is unable to find people who are not shallow, egotistical, boring or profane. I suppose it may make better television, but dumbing-down the houseguests also is an insult to the viewers.

Good Job!

Lurknomore

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 08:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You complimented Arnie? That shoulda come with a warning label before reading.

Iceprincess

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 08:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Lurk...Good point!

Thanks Msreiziger....I figure honey gets more flies then vinegar!!

There is more I wanted to say and my first email was quite nasty...I am disappointed in BB this year...the whining bugs me...There is more whine on the show then Napa Valley, Ca.

Closetfan

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 08:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Very good stuff, ICE!! Thank you!! :) Let us know if you get a response. (haha!) But seriously, maybe they'll listen. :)

Costacat

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 09:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ice, you rule! Great email. Very articulate! And... heck! I totally agree with all your points!!

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 09:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just caught up on this thread and thought I'd comment on the remarks of Robert sleeping with his daughter.

First off, let me say that I cannot stand Robert! I think he's just nasty and immature and I hope he's evicted very very soon. BUT....the implication that he *might* be behaving inappropriately with his daughter is way over the top.

For one thing, if he was guilty of such a thing, he would KNOW that it is wrong and he would be very careful to keep it a secret. Pedophiles usually don't go 24/7 on live internet feeds and tell the world that they are sleeping with 7 year year old girls. A loving father might, but a pedophile probably would not....he would most likely be more careful about disclosing things that might cause suspicion by the authorities. (Michael Jackson is the exception to this rule.....they don't call him "Wacko Jacko" for nothing!)

My second point is this. That girl is 7, so she is in school, right? All this talk about Robert sharing a room with her hints at something going on, and now it's on the boards for her school friends to see. If her father is on BB, then you can be sure that she has told all her friends and they are watching. Yeah, most of them probably don't have the live feeds, but I'd bet that a great deal of her friends have computers and internet access and they very well may be lurking right here. In any case, it wouldn't surprise me if her friends start asking or teasing her about this in school tomorrow! I'm not saying they *will*, but it's a possibility.

Yes, if something bad was going on, we would all want it to come out and for the girl to be made safe. BUT....if it *isn't* happening, how great is it to put her through the ordeal of having her father's love questioned? I doubt if anyone here with children would want their kids interrogated over a wild untrue rumor that accuses a parent of molestation.

It just seems to me that questioning Robert's relationshiop with his daughter is not a good thing, especially when all anyone has to go on is that he picks his nose and treats his ex like crap and engages in too much locker room talk! If that's all it takes to be suspected of child molestation, then I would guess that a HUGE number of fathers and other adult men should be suspected as well. Robert's abysmal behavior towards women in general and his ex in particular is not indicative of pedophilia...it is only indicative of his being a jerk.

JMO...

Maris

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 09:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BRAVO SANFRAN!!!!

Cricket

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 10:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Great e-mail, Ice Princess. The points you made have really been bugging me too. I wish they would fine them $.25 every time they said the "f" word. It is getting old very fast. No need for it.

San Fran, I understand what you are saying; however, a 7-year-old should still not be sleeping with her father. If it was a boy, it would be different. They both have the same bodies, but this little girl is getting old enough to have her own space. My granddaughter is only 6 and she would want her own room if it was just she and her Dad. She is very private about her body and we recently had to set up seperate sleeping arrangements for her and her 12-year-old brother. That is not to say her brother is a pedophile, for gosh sakes. It's just to say that little girls need their privacy too.

It's possible Robert's daughter has her own bed in their bedroom, but my question is who sleeps in the 2nd bedroom? Why isn't that her bedroom? The more I hear Robert talking, I'm not sure the ex-wife has custody. He was telling Jack that his daughter goes where he goes, even on dates. Could be only weekends or 50%, but it's hard to tell.

OOohh! Just thought of something Erika could do to him instead of 'killing his family.' She could call Child Welfare and they'd be in there to check out the bedroom situation, lol! (Just Kidding)

Angelsluv

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 10:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I caught that convo about Robert sleeping with his daughter. I would hope to the higher powers that the room had 2 beds. What did bother me was his jumping afterwards to say, "yeah bedroom, wherever" like he was about to change his answer..

But then, the way he was talking about that place, I would suspect he's just telling another lie, like he's been doing all along..

Remember, last week he was telling Jack what he does on his job, and then we find out he was fired from it.

Cliotheleo

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 10:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, getting back to my Will/Dave shorts comment, this is the best I've come up with........

Will in shorts.........

Will in Will's shorts......

Cliotheleo

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 10:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
......... and Dave in shorts.......

Dave in Will's shorts

Did Will leave his shorts behind and Dave found them two years later? I THINK SO!!!

Angelsluv

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 10:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hahahaha!!!!!! Clio

The evidence is now on record.. Exibit A and B.

Are we the only one's who remember those dang shorts Will wore?? *LOL*

Cliotheleo

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 10:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Too bad that site dedicated to Will's shorts is down. I think that has to be my all-time favorite BB site.

Scorpiomoon

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 11:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I need to complain (read: vent) about Robert.

As I have tried to get stuff done today, I've listened to the feeds on and off. At one point I heard Robert brag to Jee and Justin. He told them, just before the show, a woman came to his door selling something. He invited her in and was sure he was going to get "some". The only problem was, he had one of his "girls" coming over. Before he got a chance to call the woman coming over to cancel, she arrived. Robert urged the girl he just met to stay and invited her to come back later that night (after the girl he knew left). Robert described this as a "once in a lifetime opportunity".

I can't get that conversation out of my head! Does this guy have any respect for women AT ALL? Are we all merely "meat" to be conquered?

And then I come here and get involved in the Robert paranting debate. And now I can't stop thinking about whether Robert deserves to be scrutinized or not.

I'm tired of his voice, I'm tired of people talking about him and I'm tired of reading about him. I won't even look at him when he is on the live feeds.

Can someone get him out of the house, PLEASE?

Cliotheleo

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 11:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm all about getting him out of the house because he's boring as all get out, but I'm afraid if we start chastising all the men who'd like to have a threesome .......... well, we wouldn't have any men left to NOT chastise. :)

Scorpiomoon

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 11:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Clio. Good point. :)

BTW, the Will's shorts Web site was undoubtedly the funniest BB-related Web site EVER!

Cliotheleo

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 11:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a very clear memory of that site .......... right after 9/11 .......... I was about to go insane from all of the coverage, the disruption of my routine, the tragedy, just the whole thing. I remember that Will Shorts site as the ONLY relief to the madness. I remember the web designer debating over whether or not to continue her (I think it was a her) daily "will's shorts updates." She decided she WOULD continue that and I remember how appreciative I was because it gave me just a little bit of a respite from everything around me (a friend of mine was killed when the first plane crashed into her office on the 98th floor.)

about my friend

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 11:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Scorpiomom - "Does this guy have any respect for women AT ALL?"

Being a man, I hate to admit it, but a lot of men think like this...I have met lots and lots of guys like this (both gay and str8) and the main difference between Robert and lots of other men is simply that Robert is a LOT more immature and still has an adolescent need to brag about his conquests. Most men start to outgrow this as they mature but I fear that the road to maturity is one option that Robert has yet to explore.

I can't wait until he's booted outta there!

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 11:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cricket - "It's possible Robert's daughter has her own bed in their bedroom, but my question is who sleeps in the 2nd bedroom? Why isn't that her bedroom? "

Exactly! Those are questions for which we have no answers. Maybe his daughter is scared of the dark and feels safe with her dad. Maybe she saw a guy peeping in her window one night. Maybe she's having some really strong separation anxiety with the joint custody (or whatever it is). Maybe she DOES have her own bed in the room. Maybe the "second bedroom" is a tiny little room and Robert just embellished to make his home sound more impressive. Maybe it's used for strage because Robert can't afford a large enough apartment.

My point is that none of these questions are answered, but there was an immediate suspicion of molestation. It's a huge leap to assume molestation when there are no facts available whatsoever. (Even Robert's statement is not "fact"....the guy seems to be pretty proficient at tooting his horn and trying to make himself look better off than he is by bragging about his many conquests, his great job, and his wonderful WB contacts.)