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Scorpiomoon

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 02:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Excellent points, Sanfran. Thank you for always being the gentle voice of reason. You are one of the reasons why I enjoy coming back here for BB. :)

Paisley

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 05:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Sanfran too. I can't afford a two bedroom apartment so my 9 yr old daughter sleeps with me. We could get a 2 bdrm in a seedy part of town but that could be dangerous and/or unpleasant. I could sleep on my couch but the times I have done that I have had a sore back for days. The one bedroom we have isn't big enough for two beds so we share a kingsize bed that was handed down to me. (maybe I could sell it and buy two twin size beds but i am working on a two bedroom in the future and we are happy this way for now)

Also, if his daughter doesn't live with him then I think it is understandable that she might not have her own room in his home. Not everyone can afford to devote one of only two bedrooms to someone who is only there a few nights per month. My daughter's Dad does not have a room for her in his home and if he did he would have to furnish it with all of the same things that his child support money is helping me to get for her. If he was wealthy that would be no problem....

My biggest fear was that my daughters friends would bug her because she didn't have her own room, or that maybe she was childish for sleeping with her mom, or maybe they would see that we are poor....but it didn't occurr to me that people might think we are having sex! I agree that that is a huge and unfair leap to make.

Lostintheglades

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 06:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I need to complain...like...can I vent? (hehe..too much BB I guess.) Can't BB give these people more projects like the shirts or something? They really don't have anything to keep them active which would also give them something to talk about and maybe make them a little less boring. (Or will that come later in the game.) My usual posting time is in the mornings and I'm on the east coast so unless there is some late night strategizing it's pretty sad. Lately, it seems that even in the afternoons there is just simply nothing going on and it makes it so difficult to watch.

Zachsmom

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 06:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
if Robert was some sick pediaphile..it wouldn't matter if his daughter had her own room/bed or not.

Men love their children. Men love to snuggle,hug and kiss their kids as much as women do. I would hope no one thought my affection for my son would ever be construed as anything less than what it is. Anyone who has kids knows that one day...and it comes all too fast...their children aren't going to want to snuggle and cuddle..they'll be too "cool" for that.

Reader234

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 06:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Adding to the bedroom debate. Most young kids dont sleep thru the night. It is totally exhausting to keep getting up and putting our 7yr old back in her bedroom. We do, its a thing with me, but my dh sometims gives in, and she is in bed with us. I can imagine a totally different scenario if I was a single parent. Sleep is important for both, and sometimes kids REM sleep is just off. I also appreciate SanFran's excellent points, often on a bulliten board its easier to go for first impressions than the facts. Paisley, thanks for sharing, its not easy, but I think you are teaching your DD a valuble lesson... who knew it could be misconstrued???

Bohawkins

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 07:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert is a strange character, but irrespective of his quirky personality having a daughter sleep in his room is not irregular at all. I know a lot of single guys who have young daughters or sons who spend the weekend with them because of the custody situation after a divorce. Those kids often have a little bed in there with the dad because this is the only time they have to spend with him and to be sent off to a lonely bedroom would make no sense. Bedrooms today have televisions and really become like the "parlor" of yesteryear. People use the bedroom to relax and talk prior to sleeping, have snacks and perhaps enjoy a video or watch what's on. For kids it turns the weekend into a fun "sleep over" with dad.

Laisey

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 07:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As much as it hurts me to say anything about Robert that is not unkind, I have to ask if we might have misinterpreted his meaning. He may have meant that his daughter would sleep in his room if Justin were to use the second bedroom. Now I must give myself a penalty nomination for giving Robert any credit for decency.

Needmylifeback

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 08:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've got to get my complaint in before I go on vacation...I've been mulling it over and ...well, here goes:

I can't believe that Dana swears so much and that her attitude is so BAD! ...Here's why...

She claims to be a manager of a Karate School..from her little pics that they show she is a blue belt...which depending upon the school could be 1/2 way to Black...I wouldn't want my child attending a school teaching the martial arts and having someone who is 'prominent' in the school always swearing and having a bad attitude...Karate is not just about Kicking and Punching...there is the 'innerself', 'self-control', 'integrety' disipline and Dana isn't even close to attaining that...

My Son has taken Taekwondo for 5 years and is preparing to test for 2nd Degree Black in a couple of months. Back in January there was a Citywide testing...there was this 16 year old who was testing for 2nd degree...he missed one of his board breaks (a requirement) and under his breath said the "F" word. The only people who heard him were those particular board holders and maybe the floor judge...well, it got back to the owner of the school (and head judge) and the next week in the Black Belt class, even tho' this kid wasn't class, the Instructor told this story and informed them all that maybe they needed to remind themselves about 'self-control' ...they all did about 150 pushups during that class...and every class they had that week...that story was told and the Black Belts in class did push-ups...to show (prove) to the lower ranking belts that they were serious about their craft...

If they had Dana around...they'd be doing thousands of push-ups this Summer...Because it is understood that as a Higher Belt, you are responsible not only for your own actions but those on your team...and that is everyone associated with the school..

I just cringe every time they show that she manages a Karate school and then filth comes out of her mouth!

OOOOHHHH...now I can go on vacation with a cleansed mind!

Avrey258

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't understand why Jee and others alienate people so early in the game. Do they actually believe they will get HOH? Not Jee, because he must know he won't be able to get HOH but Robert, Dana and somewhat Justin.

I just wonder if it ever crosses their mind that Jack or David might win and put them up. They seem to be so sure of themselves.

Closetfan

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 09:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Needmylifeback! I used to take karate as well (got to green) and Dana does not display the discipline and self-control and respect taught.

Avrey - True! It cracks me up how the HGs plan to get HOH or Veto. Duh!! Each event is a 'contest' folks...and you obviously didn't win last time...what makes you so sure you're gonna pull it off this week? Oh, brother! Or should that be - Oh, big brother? ;)

Azriel

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran, that was an excellent post and my thoughts exactly. I can't stand what I've seen of Robert on the feeds, but this is just a huge mistake to equate being a jerk in his dealings with women to being a child molester. I was worried about his daughter's friends hearing this stuff, too.

If anything it makes me see some good in Robert, that he loves his daughter and seems to be very proud of her and wants to talk about her to people in the house.

Laisey

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
About Dana -- Please remember that the occupations listed are sometimes somewhat embellished. For all we know, her managing may be managing a vacuum cleaner at night and she has not contact whatsoever with the students.

Misslibra

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to do it I tired to stop myself but I have to say this Jun smacking and crunching in her mic needs to stop !

Needmylifeback

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Laisey,

O.K. so she may be "Managing a vacuum cleaner" but, she is still at a Blue Belt level...unless that was staged as well...and she sure as tooting is not displaying the Spirit of Karate at all!

Idlechitchat

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok if all 4 feeds are on something different and obviously people are talking on at least 2 of them, why we would be subjected to watching AND listening to Nathan shave his chest???

Iceprincess

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dunno where to put this and I don't wanna start a new thread...

But does anyone see the stupidity behind Jee's nominatinations? He knew there was an anti ex alliance so why put up an ex? There are more non ex's in the house. But yet they keep saying they have the numbers??? Where did they learn math? Fantasyland Academy??

Delilah

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 04:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What is up with the FOTH every five seconds? Is anyone singing? Someone please tell David to stop whistling! I know this has been said before but there are 4 cams, if someone sings or warrants a FOTH, then why oh why can't they just block out that one feed? Also, why the heck can they just go to FOTH without the awful music? It is so grating! You would think they would have sorted out the feeds by now, there must be 4 things they can focus on, not just one or two. I think those cameramen love to mess with us, grrrrrrrrrr.

Delilah is sure 50% of this thread is about this very topic so she is sorry for dragging it up again!

Costacat

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 05:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just want to express how much I dislike it when one HG says of another "He/she deserves to go, because..." Who are YOU to say who *deserves* to go? (This is a bit of a rant -- well, OK, more than just a bit -- on Jee's saying on tonight's show that Michelle is young 'n naive and is not playing the game and deserves to go. ARGH!)

Cliotheleo

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now THAT I agreed with Costa. I mean she's just sitting there, looking cute. She's doing a good job of it grated, but how is that playing the game? I mean there are people who TRY to fly under the radar (Jack) and there are people who aren't even aware there is a game going on (Michelle.)

BB4 winner Dave said something very similar on the LFs today and he's right. If you're not playing then don't let the door hit you in the backside!

Delilah

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 06:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ooooh Clio, I like "BB4 winner Dave said....." I am liking the way you think girl! Go Dave!!!

Cliotheleo

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 06:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah....... I've decided to call him that from now on. I believe in the power of positive affirmation! :)

Justareader

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 08:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, Clio!!! Go Dave!!

Costacat

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 08:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ARGH!!!! I'm not even gonna expand on my complaint. Just... ARGH!!!!

K9lover1

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 08:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well now Robert has gone from nose picking to adjusting his package every 30 seconds. Geez!!

Scorpiomoon

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 09:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I AM FUMING!

While Jun was talking to Robert, she said the reason why there were so many singe woman in this year's cast was becuase the guys from BB3 complained there were too many moms in last years cast and not enough of a selection of woman to hook up with.

HOW DARE SHE SAY THAT!

How freakin' ABSURD! The only two guys that could have complained were Roddy and Eric and they both hooked up! How dare she say that about the BB3 cast! Those guys were a MILLION times more classy than most of these people--more mature and EVOLVED than Jun could ever hope to be!