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C1mag

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert needs for Scott to go to extinguish Erikas strength with Jack, Dave, and Scott. I know what he's doing when he is supporting this idea to veto Scott into nomination. They are saying that the hoh is the only one that picks who would fill the seat of the person who they veto out. I thought the winner of the veto gets to do that? Hmmm...

Ryanc829

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cute1073 - Any time Michelle is getting attention from the men Dana seems to go out of her way to embarass Michelle. I wouldn't have had an issue with the jacket thing if she had taken Michelle aside, away from the group and TOLD Michelle about the problem. She didn't do that. She physically put Michelle's jacket on her, in front of Nathan and the entire group.

Curlyq

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I noticed on tonight's show that Ali was also commenting to one of the guys that Michelle doesn't put more clothes on at night when it gets cold like the rest of them do. She must've given them the impression that she doesn't have the sense to cover herself when her body gets cold. Either that or they suspect she's doing it on purpose.

Cute1073

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
you know I don't think its just dana doing that to michelle....I was irritated that everyone is treating her like a little girl. Jun earlier made a comment not to say stuff in front of her....common now 19 is young but it's not like she's 16! she can vote...make her own decisions...it seems like a lot of the girls are pretending to be her moms...and I always hate that...although I'm not into defending michelle either she has left kind of a blah impression on me. Not the best conversationalist.

C1mag

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I so get this conversation and why Robert wants Scott out now. So that they target Erika next week if they get hoh. I'm telling you Robert is gonna do very well in this game. He knows exactly who to play off of to get what he wants. He tells Mantroll to tell Nate he'd be a hero if he nominated Scott so they could vote them out.

Ryanc829

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Curlyq - I didn't get that impression. I got the impression that it wasn't actually cold, it was actually that Ali was offended by Michelle's choice of clothing.

C1mag

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ahh they were just jealous of the young beautiful nippelite region showing in front of a very drunk Nate and dopey Justin.

Ryanc829

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cute1073 - I agree. It's not just Dana but I've seen Dana do it very publicly at least twice.

Curlyq

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Michelle's the only teenager there, she's the only one who can't drink, and she's the only one who's allegedly a virgin. Fair or not, this is going to give a group of older people the natural instinct to treat her like a little sister they have to watch out for, especially if she presents herself as a very girly girl. Earlier tonight on the show Jack referred to her as the house mascot, which means they're not taking her very seriously as an adult.

Cute1073

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
they are feeding off eachother...one does it so another does it....the guys seem to like the whole deal too...they get silly little grins in the DR when talking about how other girls feel about michelle....classic hoping for cat fights

Curlyq

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryan, I'll have to check the tape again to be sure, but I thought it was because it was nighttime. Ali had her sweatshirt on at the time and her disbelief seemed to be that Michelle didn't know to put some clothes on.

Cute1073

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well lets see if michelle is smart enough to use her postion in the house wisely....I think the jury is still out on wether she is just quiet or actually ditzy....i'm not even sure which it is

Ryanc829

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Curlyq - I'm sorry, but IMO after 18 the term "teenager" doesn't apply anymore. And I don't think they're "watching out for her" as you said. Who cares if the rest of the house takes her seriously in the game, they should at least treat her with basic common decency and respect.

C1mag

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok the nipple thing again... my impression was its colder in the house at night so they figure she would be on a sweater like some of the others. Not because of the cold but because of what the cold can bring to lite :) I got what she was doing and it was ridiculous. She's 19 not 2.

Curlyq

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think she's quiet or ditzy, but just trying to employ Tonya's strategy of using sex appeal to win the men's favor and last longer.

I agree on the cat fight thing. Guys love to think women are all jealous of each other and clamoring for their attention. It never occurs to them we might have other real reasons for disapproving of another woman's actions.

Fabnsab

Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 12:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She condescends to Michelle every chance she gets. Michelle said something tonight about not being five , and dana said, yes you are, while patting her. Those are the little things she continues to do. She is jealous and her way of combatting the "enemy" is trying to make them look stupid. She is the only one looking stupid. i would rather listen to Michelle over dana anyday. Michelle went out with dave, dana wants dave. michelle has nates attention, dana craves his attention. I hope michelle starts in on justin next. we'll have the trifecta going.

Scott reminds me of bb3 josh. They rubbed lots of people the wrong way but I see an endearing quality to them both. They are insecure men who try very hard to fit in with brash NYer humor and it comes across as rude. I won't excuse their bad actions but I think they are more sensitive than given credit for.

C1mag

Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 12:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have yet to see her as ditzy. Quiet at times but far from ditzy. She is in one of the best positions. She will be seen as a pawn and if she is a smart cookie at the right time she will make a definite alliance with the right group where she benefits in the game. Jee sorta told her that today by the pool while he was hitting on her.

Curlyq

Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 12:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry, but 19 is still a teenager, especially to people who are old enough to be able to look back at 19 and remember what they were like at that age (people like those in the house).

Saggkl

Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 12:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Has anyone won the veto yet? I am hoping somethign changes when they get the veto.

C1mag

Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 12:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
compared to this group she doesn't seem so far off in age when just comparing personality. I've seen her carry herslef better than some of these 20 somethings so far.

Ryanc829

Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 12:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, so if they are remembering what they were like back then I would think they would be understanding of her situation rather than looking down on her.

BTW: Hey guys, guess what? We're arguing over this "boring" show. Is that a sign that things are getting better?

Draheid

Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 12:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Saggkl, there is a thread with spoilers about the veto over here

Ryanc829

Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 12:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Score one for C1mag!

Fabnsab

Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 12:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am Danas age and would never dream of talking to any of my 19 yr old servers the way dana talks to Michelle. I had 3 19 yr olds on my staff and they were bright, articulate, and youthful. Michelle has a natural charm and Dana cant stand it. I see her as a young woman, not a teen. I think the BB guys agree with me.

Cute1073

Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 12:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag the big question is IF....i've seen her ditzy....or at least gave that impression in the DR on the show tonight....her answers to anyone's questions are very superficial and doesn't seem to 'get' things around her...but it maybe just my first impression. It may be because she speaks quietly...i'm trying to reserve judgement and being an outspoken person i gravitate more toward people like ali and dana (and chiara...and got shot down for it last year) although I absolutely hate condencention and I haven't see Dana's anticts towards michelle so I can't judge but from what I've heard it sounds like what you guys are calling it.