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Scorpiomoon

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 06:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why? Because, sadly, we live in a world that has become paranoid and hyper aware and sensitive to child abuse. As much as it may be a hinderance, to some, I don't see this as being a bad thing.

You're right re: cuddling being taken out of context. But we're talking about Robert sleeping in the same bed with his 7 year-old daughter. That's a little different and definitely exists in a grey area.

Lurknomore

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 06:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd like to complain that I finally get home to my computer, from a weekend out of town not only to find the 4 feeds of Jee eating and sitting gazing BUT to find (from what I can read on the boards) that NOTHING has happened since I left.

I figured in 4 days I would miss SOME news other than Dave not using the Veto.

Of course there was the thread that showed Moonves trashing his own program...hey there is a PR genius at work. How does this network even stay afloat? lol

Scorpiomoon

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 06:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dipo: I remember that room! It was fabulous! Let's hope Robert has the good sense to have a similiar setup with some sort of partition (like that room had) or, as you suggested, another bed.

Ok, I will stop beating this issue to death. :)

Iceprincess

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 06:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is no different then a woman sleeping in the same bed with her child. Point blank, our society looks down upon a man taking a loving interest in their child. They are either gay or a pedophile. It is sad that our society has come to this.

Cricket

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with those who don't think it is right. She is 7 years old and the father is divorced and it's Robert. Enough said.

Just his opinion of women is enough to make me cringe and feel sorry for that little girl.

Bleubull

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with both Maris and Iceprincess. Fathers should be praised for having loving relationships with their children. And afterall, who are we to say it is wrong for Robert and his daughter to share a bed? I would not want people telling me how I can raise my children.

Sara123

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 06:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I sure hope she's not sharing his bed when one of the many women he claims to hook up with stays over!

Zachsmom

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I find that causing a man shame because of societies perceptions ultimately hinder the young girls relationships with men as they grow older. Women who have had loving nuturing relationships with their fathers ultimately have loving relationships with men as adults. My sleeping with my son is no different than Robert sleeping with his daughter. To suggest otherwise, without cause is very very sad.

That's all I am going to say on this...I like too many people that I am disagreeing with to pursue it further

Laisey

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To begin with, I don't like Robert and this only reinforces that opinion. This is a seven-year old little girl. He has two bedrooms -- one of those should be her room, decorated for a little girl, a room she can bring her friends to, where they can play with dolls, etc. She is certainly going to notice that her friends have their own rooms or share with a sibling. To say nothing of what her friends' parents are going to think when they hear the child is sharing a room with her father. Any and all speculation aside, this situation is really not fair to his daughter.

Teachmichigan

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's another possibility on the sleeping issue. We are building a house, but have had to live in a trailer for 6 years. It's 80' long and my son hates being at the opposite end of the house as us. He goes to bed in his own room, but when we go to bed, he usually comes in our room. After a couple nights of this (at age 4) I asked why. He was scared being so far away. He's now 8 and still almost sleepwalks into our room every night. However, we have a sleeping bag on the floor set up. Soo...he's in our room, but he's not in our bed. As soon as the house is done, he's in his own room, but since it's right next to ours, there shouldn't be a problem.

Ok...I'm hoping beyond hope this is similar to Robert's arrangement, because that man makes my skin crawl!! I truly pray he's a caring father and is just fostering a close relationship.

Cliotheleo

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG! I'm getting to where listening to Nate and Ali talk about ANYTHING drives me INSANE!!!! It's like a REALLY BAD fraternity party. I just want to bash my head into a wall it's so mind-numbingly boring. THEY HAVE NO SUBSTANCE!!!!!!

Mrose4243

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why oh why must all 4 feeds be on Nate and Ali in the hammock having the most boring conversation I've heard so far.

Why do they brag about having 60 cameras when we only get to see one scene.

I hate to keep complaining about this, but they do this ALL THE TIME...oops now we have 4 feeds of Dana and Jun in the kitchen...well at least they're talking about the game...I think....

Sbeachy

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
UMMM, can anyone tell what Dana is eating right now!!??

Zachsmom

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hopefully her words Sbeachy

Cliotheleo

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ANYTHING!!!! I'll take ANYTHING besides Nate and Ali's conversation about who's football stadium is the coolest!

Cliotheleo

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And where in the heck is my David? I haven't seen him on the feeds for the whole three hours since I've been home.

Iceprincess

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok I am gonna complain now...Who in the HECK is Dana to tell Michelle to go put underwear on??? WHO IS SHE??? Her MOTHER??? grrrrrrr

er: Continuing my rant...Sryup is ok to eat as well??? I thought PBJ meant bread, water, coffee, tea and pbj....grrrrrrrrrrrrr....garlic, syrup....what else are they going to give them....grrrrrrrr

Mrose4243

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Zachsmom!

Maybe they heard you, Clio, David is now on in the kitchen..... but again 4 feeds on the same room! Grrrrr....

(I love David, too!)

Laisey

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not paranoid, but I know everyone on this board is out to confuse me. And now my non-paranoia is kicking in and I have to ask -- Do we know Robert has custody of his daughter, or is this something he is putting out to give the impression that he is wonderful or he wouldn't have custody? Has anyone heard anything about who is caring for his daughter while he is in the house? Could it be that he's been lying about having custody and got caught when he offered his second bedroom to Justin and Justin asked about his daughter?

Cliotheleo

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mrose, sometimes I swear they have someone monitoring these posts. :) (of course the fact that he walked into the shot helped)

I don't mind four feeds of Dave, I'll take 16 feeds of Dave!!!! 32 FEEDS OF DAVE ALL DAY LONG!!!! WHOOPEEE!!!!!!!! :)

Who cares if he's had on the same clothes for three days! (ha ha)

Mrose4243

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Clio - he's the only one I'm rooting for at this point.

I wonder if Dave's shorts will win the same fame and recognition as Will's shorts?

(Loved Will, too!)

Trinity63

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Only in the United States are we hung up on co-sleeping. Many other countries practice family bed and co-sleeping without any issue, or any concern about child abuse or in appropriate sexual issues.

Cameltoes

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am so SICK and TIRED of not being able to understand them with all the whispering they do. All they do is whisper and most of it is incomprehensible. It was never this bad in years past. Heck, I could understand what Dani was saying while she was brushing her teeth. I hope they implant mics into their teeth - it's the only thing that might help.

Maris

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Speaking of clothes, did you see how many of them said they werent wearing underwear under their jeans last night?? There was Jack, Michele, Erika. I am sorry with laundry involving washing your jeans in a bucket (translation - rarely washed), why wouldnt you wear underwear. That grossed me out. How could you put them on again without washing them?

Cliotheleo

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 07:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
M, I've wondered the same thing. Gotta find a shot of Will's shorts so we can compare............