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Star291999

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 04:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The Africa house has something that's called The Sin Bin. Here is the description:

Begin Quote: Positioned in the left corner of the Garden, the Sin Bin has a sober off-white interior. The Sin Bin is the punishment spot where misbehaving Housemates will carry out punishment chores decided on by Big Brother. It could range from repairing damaged shoes to ironing a mountain of clothing. The guilty Housemate will be assisted by a volunteering Housemate to do the chore. If there is no volunteer, Big Brother will select a Housemate to help the guilty Housemate with the task in the Sin Bin. :End Quote

This would be a very interesting addtion to the US house.

As a side remark, what color do you think "sober off-white" is? The first time I read this I thought it said "Slober"...ROFL.

DK :p

Star291999

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 04:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Germany would be great to switch with, also.

I would like to be able to watch the German house with either sub-titles or English voices dub over since I don't know German.

They do have peanut butter there at the Army PX's around the country. My friend is there (her husband is in the Army) and I called her last weekend while she was eating a PB & Syrup sandwich (she uses Maple syrup, I prefer Cane Syrup Yum).

DK :p

Shadowkat

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
From the TV Guide listing

"Big Brother 4
60 min.
The reality series begins its fourth edition with the promise of a “shocking twist” that could mean that some of the 13 houseguests won't be sticking around. “It will be mentally and emotionally taxing for them,” reports executive producer Arnold Shapiro. “It will be interesting to see if by the end of the first show all 13 are still in the house.” Another change is that “the last seven people who are evicted will be sequestered at a secret location where they will not have access to the show,” Shapiro adds. Only those seven will vote for the winner. He hopes the change encourages the players to be more candid since there will be no fear of angering a voter. Julie Chen hosts."

I'm shocked they gave us this much information ahead of time! At least we know one of the twists now... I can't wait to find out more of them!! :)

Lurknomore

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well this is stupid. (Oh what a shock for Arnie lol..btw though Alison was now exec producing...guess not for the press LOL) Unless they are sequestered AWAY from each other the last one out of the house will blab all to the others. What an intelligent and exciting plan/twist.

Can't CBS just come here, read the board, and get some REALLY decent and interesting ideas vs this foolish waste of money that will be as exiciting as them paying to send the first what was it 4 evicted HG's to exotic locations last year, vacation in style to bring one back in. YAWN.

And I'm not sure I like the idea of people leaving the first night, just cause no one has any idea of who they are. What if the 2 best people go before we even get to know them. Of course, will this be BB time or our time? By the first time we get to see them, they already have been in the house a few days. Probably the BB change I hate the most since Arnie took over, since it deprives us a chance of getting to know them, hearing who they are, and watching friendships/alliances form beyond those snippets we are shown on TV.

Aiza

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's a twist .. although not too amazing .... I just read on the CBS site that the winner is gonna get $500,000. Is my memory fading, or did Lisa get one million last year?? Is CBS going cheap on one of its 'franchise' shows?????

And just where, pray tell, did the other $500K go??!!!

Gee, it's hardly worth all the peanut butter now! LOL

-AizA

Star291999

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 12:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's always been $500,000. The first year it was $500K (Eddie), $100K (Josh), and $50K (Curtis) for the prizes. In BB2 the changed it to $500K and $50K. This is the way it has been for the last two years. So there isn't any change there.

DK :p

Debbied

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is the description for the first show.

Big Brother 4
60 min.
The reality series begins its fourth edition with the promise of a “shocking twist” that could mean that some of the 13 houseguests won't be sticking around. “It will be mentally and emotionally taxing for them,” reports executive producer Arnold Shapiro. “It will be interesting to see if by the end of the first show all 13 are still in the house.” Another change is that “the last seven people who are evicted will be sequestered at a secret location where they will not have access to the show,” Shapiro adds. Only those seven will vote for the winner. He hopes the change encourages the players to be more candid since there will be no fear of angering a voter. Julie Chen hosts. (VCR Plus+ 90040)

Monkeyboy

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Might as well call the show "Survivor"...

Bbrock

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 01:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oooooo starting to get excited now. Sounds like a nail biter this year. At least I hope so!!! I wonder if they will be sequestered together to compare notes? Hmmmm

Moderator

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Moved previous three posts in from another thread. :)

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Diva

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the final voting would be more interesting if the final 7 DID have access to the show. At least they'd be making an informed decision :)

Tabbyking

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 03:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
this has been suggested, i am sure--i am too tired to go back and search!...but keep the voted out hampsters in the house a la 'the family' to create havoc...just don't let them vote.

Laisey

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 04:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm still suspicious about the 13th person. The CBS ads I've seen say 13 new faces, not 13 new houseguests. The TV Guide blurb refers to 13 houseguests, but the phrase is not in quotes so it may be their assumption. Arnold's quote says all 13, he is not quoted using the word houseguests. What if they send someone in as a HG who stages a blow-up or something on the first show and walks out? That would go along with Julie's statement regarding the casting being so important because it related to the twist. If anything at all like that happens, I'll never be convinced it wasn't staged. But I gotta admit it would leave the HGs in a dither.

Star291999

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 05:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think that TV Guide makes up their own show summaries. I think they get them from the producers or the networks for the show.

DK :p

Therlin

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 05:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Last year they let whats-her-name back into the house for another round of votes. So in a way, that also made it 13 HGs in BB3. The show this season is going to last just as long, so they'll have 13 HGs. This also means that no HG will re-enter the house.

In other BBs around the world, if anyone walks out of the show (without being voted out), an alternate is sent in. I'm not sure why they didn't send an alternate to replace Justin, I think it was explained, but I don't remember.

Sbw

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 05:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The 13th new face could be that of a pet. Maybe they are going to use someone's kitten and the other 12 HGs have listed cats as an allergy. :)

Wilsonatmd

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know how I feel about the info we have......If they lose a person on the first show (which is actually about the first 2 or three days, we're hearing they would go in sonetime between the 3rd and the 5th), it's a bit of a wasted journey (the UKBB had noms the first night this year, and the person who was evicted basically had one bad night from nervousness and never did recover).......and having the last seven people have the final vote smacks of Survivor, but if they really do mean the last seven will have no access at all, it's different (as the Survivor jury had the TC's at least)...and if they sequester them seperately, it makes it more intriguing, since they'd only have the info from the final questioning and ther impressions of the time they were in the house to work with....and I have a gut feeling that 2 of the HG's might be married to each other...have a legit couple in the house.....

Deedee

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 09:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wilsonatmd said

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I have a gut feeling that 2 of the HG's might be married to each other...have a legit couple in the house.....




This is a very interesting theory. AS has set things up repeatedly to try to get someone to ... uh ... ummmmmm.... consumate a relationship in the house. Making sure there couldn't be all male/female bedrooms, last year including a bed that had to be shared. A married couple would be the next step to trying to intice someone to ... well, you know ... in the house.

Tabbyking

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i think it would cause more fireworks to have a separated couple in the house! like wil and tara, or frank and margaretta.....and neither one knows until they get into the house!

Star291999

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 05:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wilsonatmd said
.......and having the last seven people have the final vote smacks of Survivor...
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Well what I have to say to that is that ever since BB2 when they cut us out of voting for who would be evicted and who wins, it has been just that, the last 7 people voting for the winner, which is like Survivor. Where have you been? LOL!

Not only do the Survivors get to watch tribal council, they also get to talk among themselves as they live in the same camp. I don't think that they are sequestered from each other, because if they were, we would have heard about that by now from someone.

They should sequester the evicted HG together and let them share among themselves. Let them watch the Live Vote but none of the taped stuff until after the show has ended and a winner announced.

DK :p

Spygirl

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 05:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Star, in Survivor, the players are not allowed to discuss the game at all. They are sequestered together, but are forbidden from talking about what happened. At least that is my understanding.

Lurknomore

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 08:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a question? Granted the first year of BB it certainly has some problems and could have learned from them and GROWN into quite it's own show.

But why, each year, does it seem to try to be more and more a carbon copy of other reality TV show?

BB has it's own niche, the internet audience, it's own rules, it's own way of voting etc. The entire premise of Big Brother is that they/and we ARE watching. By letting 7 people in the dark vote is just absurd..and not at all what this show is about IMHO.

Draheid

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 08:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a guess, Lurknomore, but I would speculate it has to do with money. The show(s) they are apparently trying to 'imitate' may be more popular and therefore more profitable. Most likely they are still tweaking to try and duplicate that success. Even though we feel it doesn't always translate given the type of show we think it is supposed to be, the bottom line is always going to be the bottom line.

Something else to consider, we here at TVCH probably see these shows in a different way then the general viewing public. Since we practically 'participate' in the show, we have a unique perspective that the general viewing audience doesn't share. By having people talk about 'well it's like survivor' may be their way of trying to get another segment of viewers to watch the show and thus increase it's popularity/profitability.

JMO - FWIW.

Bbfan05

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk, I AGREE with you for once. It seems like it's getting more like Survivor. I liked the new format for BB2 because I think it saved BB. Now, with a 7 person jury, like Survivor, seems a little too familiar. Also, keeping them in the dark is wrong...them watching the Diary Room entries and then getting offended and holding it against the final two is classic, that way BB is supposed to be! I also don't think it's fair that only the last 7 can vote, and not the rest.
:(

Lurknomore

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 09:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ah but Draheid, name me one "copycat" show that equal or more successful than the original? That happens seldom times, and certainly not long term. You actually confirmed my point...that BB had a totally unique forum, and by becoming more and more like all the other shows and less like itself, my gut tells me it will only diminish it's success. And they are copying a show (Survivor) that currently has been rapidly losing it's audience share. I can't see the sense in that.

It's like taking The Amazing Race and instead of having the last team in eliminated, have all the teams vote at the end who played the best game/race. That's not what TAR is about, and luckily they don't have AS producing or it probably would be...that and a LOT of young, scantily clad folks with no personalities. Sigh. JMHO.

And BBfan....for ONCE????? Sniff.