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Maris

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 09:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe the twist is they tell the HGs that the evicted HGs will not see diary room, will not see the show and will be sequestered. That way the remaining HGs think they are safe and those who were evicted have no idea what is going on or what was said about them.

The evicted HGs meanwhile can watch to their hearts content. I do think the audience should get a vote in the final two.

Sbw

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 09:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if the surprise twists are the live voting and the "7 people" vote only or if there is more.

Star291999

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I keep reading thing where people think that 7 person jury thing is new this year. How many ways can I say this for everyone to understand?

1. Since BB2, it has always been a 7 person jury.

2. After BB1 when they took us out of the voting process for the evicted person and the winner, it became a 7 person jury.

3. For BB2 and BB3, it was a 7 person jury.

Thus, having a 7 person jury is NOT A TWIST or change. The change to the 7 person jury is that they will be "sequested". It has been like survivor since BB2 in that the last 7 people vote on a winner.

ROFL!

DK :p

Shadowkat

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
According to Reality News Live

"RNL's sources reveal the following information:
CBS will reveal ONLY 9 of the Houseguests on July 3rd, on CBS.COM
The exciting new TWIST will be revealed on JUNE 30th
The new look of the BB House will also be revealed on JUNE 30th
Stay tuned for more!!"

Mware

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 10:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Star,

As memory serves, last year Lisa beat Danielle by a vote of 9-1. If 12 houseguests go in, and 2 of them are in the final 2, then 10 people are on the jury that votes.

Jason voted Danielle.
Lori voted Lisa.
Tonya voted Lisa.
Josh voted Lisa.
Eric voted Lisa.
Chiara voted Lisa.
Amy voted Lisa.
Marcellas voted Lisa.
Roddy voted Lisa.
Gerry voted Lisa.

10 votes cast. Which means that the 7 member jury is new this year.

Lurknomore

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 10:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Star..how many ways do we have to say this for YOU to understand WE KNOW. (Edited out where I was thinking the numbers were different...thank you Mware). The problem is, at least in my eyes, that with each passing year it becomes more and more like Survivor and other Reality shows in a variety of ways.

What I believe we were discussing was not just the "jury" but this new concept of not letting the evicted HG's get back to their own lives, watch shows, talk to people who had watched the feeds, read boards (such as this one) and overall find out what was REALLY going on in the house.

So I'm not sure what exactly you are laughing at, but you seem not to be following the conversation we were having. Glad to help clear it up for you.

Laisey

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk, I agree with you about the direction the show is taking and it's sad. Since the beginning of TV (and I'm old enough to remember that) it seems that every time someone comes up with something successful, everyone else tries to do something similar. After that, the public gets tired, ratings drop and shows are cancelled. I think they could have made BB something different instead of turning it into Survivor the Less -- less money, less people, less physically challenging, and less scenery.

Shadowkat

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 11:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Earlier today I posted a quote from Reality News Live website. I went back to that site later and saw that the post had been deleted from the main page. They had also posted the "information" on both their News message board and their General Discussion message board, and both posts had been deleted. When I posted on their message board to find out what happened, my post was also deleted.

Sorry for passing along information that wasn't accurate.

Faerygdds

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Star - Since BB2 the entire cast has voted. I can remember being stunned that Sheryl voted for Will and NOT being shocked that Lori voted for Danielle. Most of us were polite enough not to correct you, but if you would like to keep shouting at us ... we'll be happy to correct you. :)

this is from the CBS BB3 homepage from last year:
Lisa, the bartender from Los Angeles, ends up winning BIG BROTHER 3 by a vote of 9-1.
That's 10 votes + the final 2 = 12 people, all HG from the beginning!

So yes, this is new -- proceed with "copycat" ranting...

Jooleechenlvr

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As a wise man once said: " If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

Star291999

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey all,

Sorry about that. Sometimes I just get confused when I am trying to work but want to be somewhere else doing something else. I was thinking that I only saw the last several voting, but I remember now I played the ElitesTV ASS game and came in 2nd only because I missed who I thought Lori would vote for, I said Dani.

Today has been a nightmare at work, and I took a few minutes off to check the boards and came to the conclusion that I did. By the way, the ROFL was a kind of "giddy" or "please get me out of here before I go crazy" laugh.

Gotta go back and work for another hour, then I am out of here for the day.

DK :p

Faerygdds

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 01:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No problem.. we've all done it.. I just figured you'd forgotten and that you'd realize the error late.. thus why I didn't mention it last night when I saw your initial post. :)

It happens! Humans do not have infallible memories... look at me.. I thought Lori voted for Dani, but now I remember that she didn't! Jason was her only vote! Anyway.. no biggie! Just didn't want you to keep shouting from the rooftops when you weren't quite correct.

Grannyg

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just got this tidbit in an email from one of those bb4 sites I signed up for. Interesting.....

So who is the 13th face...perhaps an alternate houseguest that comes into play later, the new pet, a "mole" contestant sent in to modify the game and perhaps the audience can control by voting how the mole would behave or vote. Or my best guess is that one of these new houseguests is two-faced.

Laisey

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Grannyg, Thanks. That made my day. I had never considered that the 13th face might just be the 2nd face of one the HGs.

Grannyg

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 04:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like the idea of a mole!!!!!! Like the one from the other tv series.

Lurknomore

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 05:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ARRRRRGGGHHHHHHHHH!!! Granny you know I love ya, but this is EXACTLY my point. I want BB to come up with some nice, new ORIGINAL twists specific ONLY to BB. People will watch something different and tune out more of the same...this has been proven over and over again in TVland.

Sigh....one big huge SIGH.

Grannyg

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 06:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk, I know it's not original but just think what a plant in the house could do? I mean talk about creating havoc among those who think they can trust only to find out that they can trust no one. Think about the whatevers behind the scene telling that person all the plotting and planning of various groups. so they would know everything about the house. just maybe that person would be the one we would end up rooting for. Ok, I know I'm dreaming. I just want something besides them sleeping till 3 in the afternoon. And Lurk, you know I love you, too. More than my luggage!!

C1mag

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 06:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sequester the 7 is AWESOME!! Had they done this last year the right person would have won. Instead a bunch of hypocrites got together and all of a sudden decided that the woman who got them all booted and never got nominated once was just too "mean" to take home the first prize which she had worked to get. This is not a journey in ethics this is a game that includes the right to backstab, put down, and manipulate in order to get the prize. Lisa sat around like a lump of mold and won by default. It was a lousy ending to an otherwise very interesting group of players last year. Same applys with Wills victory. Will was NEVER a puppet master as the tv version wanted the viewers without the feeds to believe. That man jumped around that house as Nicoles <> in waiting and again because of a bunch of sore losers the wrong person won. Nicole played the game the hardest and should have been rewarded not docked. The sequestering now makes it ok to play the game the way they have wanted it to be played and then rewarded for the effort. Love the fact that it is also suggested that it will be much more emotional and stressful. Again, this isn't a journey in ethics. It should be as stressful and emotional as possible. Half a million bucks is at stake. Make them EARN it! I'm pumped and ready for this show to begin. It's looking like this is the year for BB to finally have all the flaws and kinks worked out. Haveing a married couple or even divorced couple in there would be BRILLIANT as well.
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Bettyrubble

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 07:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag - I couldn't agree with you more! As a matter of fact, after reading that the 7 will be sequestured I told a friend that if they had done it last year Dani would've won as she should have. Of course, he just thinks I'm obsessed with BB... and I am. hehehehe I think the sequesturing is an excellent plan.

Ladytex

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 09:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I, too, am liking the sequestering bit...maybe then they will really play the game instead of playing to the eliminated houseguests.

Tabbyking

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 10:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
or, as someone mentioned several posts back, tell them they will ALL be sequestered upon leaving the house, so the others don't play to them, but don't spend the bucks to sequester them. it's 'real-time', not taped 6 months back, so it's not like they can't go home to family and friends...we all know right away who is voted out; it doesn't spoil the end of the show to know who is gone. thinking they will be sequestered will also make a hampster think twice about walking out or leaving because they are missing their family too much...if they aren't going to be with them anyway.(at least as far as they would know...)
i don't think lisa should have won, but i wasn't a dani fan. there wasn't anybody i liked very much on the last BB except for gerry and karen (was that even her name? her accent drove me nuts at first, but then i found she was really likable...but she was first out). and personally, if nicole had won, i would probably have never watched again. she was horrid! did will deserve to win? over nicole, i think so. IMO, some of the groups haven't given us much to choose from! actually, i don't think there has ever been a winner on here or survivor who was who i would have wanted to win! sometimes there are people i 'liked less', though, such as boogie, krista, shannon, nicole, chiara, etc., so the good thing is none of THOSE people won!

Momiee43

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 06:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
{I like the idea of a mole!!!!!! Like the one from the other tv series.}

Ok didn't Josh play a mole in BB1 for some comp. remember he kept setting the clock back. I keep reading post after post of how BB is becoming more like survivor and other reality shows. The reality is we had a lot to say on the boards about the voting process last year as well as the year befor. And it sounds to me like someone down at CBS hjas been listening. The fact that only 7 will vote is proble due more to the cost of keeping the HGs seguestered rather then a copy of Survivor.
I also read yesterday that they are looking for people to do live feeds at the CBS site so I think AS is paying attentions to the fans and we will be plesently suprised.

Lurknomore

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No...Josh was the Saboteur (spell check, my friend and yours LOL). It was one of the week long challenges they had. One HG was randomly chosen to mess with things--I forget how, just be impressed I got Saboteur right even with spell check LOL--and the rest had to figure out who it was. It was really fun to watch.

One of the good parts of the week long challenges is there was stuff going on beyond the 10 minute ones they have now, with the 3 hour producer led rehearsals we usually get the beloved FOTH for. This was one of the better ones, and a good example of how BB1 had a lot of better ideas than 2&3, they just needed to refine them and learn from what worked and what didn't.

PS...I will faint into a dead heap if Arnie is really listening. We've asked for some fan role in voting even if only one vote or a smaller percentage. If he does that I'll believe he actually gives a hoot. I don't think stealing aspects of a fan site, while eliminating fan participation (unless you call that useless America's Choice participation) listening to the fans. Though it should show the powers that be at CBS that we have a better clue about this game than their eye candy guy. JMHO

BTW, we have the BEST LF posts here...especially the funny ones. Why in the heck would I want to go to the CBS site? By the way, is CBS going to pay folks to transcribe and promote their show on their site? hehehe

Kaili

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 07:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I loved that challenge! I wish they had done that again at some point- Will should have gotten that job in BB@ and Amy should have had it last year because she would have given herself away by giggling. That was a fun one. :)

Lurknomore

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 07:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Momiee I just went to the CBS site...I couldn't find any mention of them looking for LF posters (didn't sound right to me). You sure this wasn't just a rumor from another board?