Archive through June 04, 2003
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Archive through June 04, 2003
Diva | Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 05:04 pm     Feed them Spam. Make them do something! Anything! Install a lie detector, and make the HoH wear it when they're explaining the who/why of nominations
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Lammy | Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 04:26 am     OK. I looked it up. What does eggplant have to do with BB4? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks for the welcome people. |
Grannyg | Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 05:03 am     Square is our aubergine expert and you have to love that color because we love Square that much!! oh by the way, don't call that color purple or eggplant.......it's aubergine!! |
Peepinagain | Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 06:52 am     I know it upset Nicole but it does add to the show. Remember how boring the end of last year was to watch? Can you imagine how things would have gone if there were beware of Roddy banners flying!!! |
Chio_Ik | Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 08:35 am     I am also new to the website, but have been a lurker for awhile. I only watched BB3, so I am confused about the banner thing. What is this all about??? Can't wait for July 8!!! |
Lurknomore | Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 11:42 am     Ok before I get to my post Welcome Lammy and Chio! The first season (oh you missed Curtis, you poor thing; a HG who was intelligent, funny, charming and always played with class and was actually a nice person even though he is a lawyer lol) people payed to fly banner planes over the house to get messages to the HG's. Some were stupid, some quite meaningful. They broke up plans, warned of lies, some were just lovefests, and one was from Nicole's rightfully PO'd hubby lol at a really really bad time lol. Season 2 the man I hate to hate (I don't love him I want him GONE I hate his impact on the show), Arnold Shapiro took over as Exec Producer. He hates the internet audience, his goal is produce a "real" life soap opera, and wants no fan interaction. He pretty much views us as some dog caca he stepped in and has been scraping us off. I guess it hasn't dawned on him he could find a happy medium, but that is a rant for another day. Some loved the banner planes, (especially the banner plane companies LOL), some hated them as they did interfere with strategies in the game...but they did make it interesting! |
Keiffer | Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 04:50 pm     For a new twist I would like to see them open up the side of the house in a way that allows them to set up more physical challenges. Some sort of area they only open up for challenges. It can be fenced with a high fence so they still don't see out, but this would do two things. First, it would allow for challenges that are not just HG's being asked questions, and second they could set up the challenges without disturbing the house, or putting the viewer on the front door for half an afternoon. |
Keiffer | Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 04:53 pm     BTW, just thought about the public voting, and I don't think that would work for more than a week, because even if you didnt tell the HG's they would figure out that their votes didnt matter, and they would all just start acting all nice to each other trying to get the public vote. BUT, you could have the public vote when it got down to the final 3 people for the winner. The game plays the same the whole way through, but when it gets to the final three America votes who wins. |
Lurknomore | Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 05:40 pm     But if the public was only responsible for HALF the votes then HG votes WOULD matter...they just wouldn't have full control. It would really stir things up, make it unpredictable, and most likely very profitable (gag me) for CBS. The key to this working is for the HG to have NO idea that any votes count other than theirs. This way the same strategies would be played. Since the HG's would be in the dark about any votes counting from outside the house, even if they had alliences etc and swore up and down who they voted for they would have NO way to know what was going on. Think how interesting this would be to watch versus the BORING pretermined votes we have watched week after week. Plus viewers would be far more intested if they were playing a role. To be really nauseating, they could make it so only those with live feeds could vote. I would think that would increase subscriptions. I think some interesting BB twist is LONG overdue. Why is it that we can think of excellent here, yet their production folks can't? |
Lammy | Friday, May 30, 2003 - 04:11 am     I happen to like the color aubergine, it matches the color of the bruise on my leg. :} I think I would like to see "Evil" Will to do the commentary this year. I know some people didn't couldn't stand him, but I thought he was funny. |
Grannyg | Friday, May 30, 2003 - 04:42 am     Lammy, you are now officially a member of TVCH!! Welcome to the Club!! Of course, I'm referring to the bruise on your leg!! |
Faerygdds | Friday, May 30, 2003 - 05:48 pm     OK... here's a "public phone in votes" idea... What if instead of a certain percentage of votes (ie 50%) being decided by the public, we counted as additional votes. For example: Week 1: 12 contestants - 1 HoH - 2 nominated ----------------- 9 votes from HM + 2 votes for "America's Choice" ----------------- 11 votes total Week 2: 11 Contestants - 1 HoH - 2 nominated ------------- 8 votes from HM + 1 votes from America ---------------- 9 votes total This would do 3 things: 1) there would never be a tie that put the "ultimate control" in the hand of the HoH 2) because of the way it's set up, they would NEVER figure out how it worked and how thier plans failed, and 3) It would cause endless suspicion between HM's With 50 % it's too easy to figure out that your votes don't matter THAT much, but do what I suggest above and you opena whole other can of worms. The caveat is that Julie would not be able to announce X got 6 votes, Y got 5 votes (which would give it away), but rather she would have to say, "separated by only n votes -- ______ You are evicted from the house" What do you think? |
Bastable | Friday, May 30, 2003 - 08:10 pm     It looks complicated on paper, but I think it's a very good idea. I posted earlier (it was lost in the crash) another idea: The Golden Key. HGs would compete for it. If you won the Golden Key and you were nominated, you could decide whether your eviction was decided by a HG vote or by an America's Choice vote. That way, if you thought the deck was stacked against you, you could cross your fingers that America liked you. But I think I like Faerygdds' idea more than my Golden Key brain fart. One important question: Do we think that Arnie is going to want audience voting? He's been so adamant about keeping us locked out of the process. Then again, American Idol was such an immense success, he could reconsider--I peg him not as his own man, but as a guy who goes with whatever is popular at the moment. |
Lammy | Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 07:21 am     I have decided I don't care WHAT they do to them, I just don't want any more cry babies around. Bunky bawling was not a pretty sight, Amy sniveling, I can't stand a sniveling drunk either. I take an obnoxious Eddie any day, or Will. Grannyg... I bruise like a banana. My Lammy name comes from my Grandson,so that makes us alike in the name dept. too! Nice to meet you. |
Peepinagain | Monday, June 02, 2003 - 09:59 am     I still think a great twist would be that whoever DIDN'T get voted out of the house would be HOH the following week. Of couse the hg's wouldn't be told this until it happens. |
Whoami | Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 01:10 am     I agree with ya there Peep! That would involve a lot more strategy in nominations. But, you'd have to have some sort of thing in place so someone like Chill Town wouldn't just keep nominating one of their own up against the one they really want out. That would give them too much control. My main complaint on this thing now is the wannabees and eye candy. I'm sick to death of them. Wouldn't it be kinda cool to have, say 50 finalists. The first show or two is about meeting these folk, then the TV audience votes who they want to let into the house. The first "in the house" show could have all this suspense and stuff, where finalists are standing around the FOTH, and Julie Chen announces who has just won a spot to go in the house. The rest get to grab their duffle bags and go home. Or maybe have challenges mixed with audience vote to win a way into the house. Sort of like Boot Camp. The contestants won so many points from the challenge, then the rest of the points by votes within the Boot Campers. Let the viewing audience show Arnie and company whether we are really demanding eye candy, or real people. |
Emeraldfire | Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 01:27 pm     That is a great idea Whoami! |
Whoami | Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 04:53 pm     Thanks Em! I thought about it some more, and refined it a bit.... 50 people is a lot to try and get to know. So, we start on-line (a certain amount of time before the first show), with bios or whatever of the 50. Maybe see their audition video. The first show has us meeting the 50 "live." Maybe they do a "dating video" type thing. Or, maybe we have a spot on the website where the audience can submit a question to the contestant. The contestant answers that on air during interviews with Julie or whoever (with a shout out to the viewer who submitted the question--that way you entice people to watch the first show to see if their question makes it on the air). Maybe the 50 are split up into groups of 25 (maybe even 25 women and 25 men). The men's group competes in a physical challenge to earn so many points, plus they earn the rest of their points from the viewers (episode 1). The top 10 men make the semi-finals. Same scenario for the women, next weeks show (episode 2). Now we are down to 10 men, 10 women. Now we start to really get to know these people (episode 3 perhaps). Maybe we hole up each group in a hotel or mansion, to see how they interact with others. Do we spend episode 3 one the men, and episode 4 on the women? Or do we combine them? If we take too long to get them into the house, we will probably lose interest. These first 2/3 episodes can even be considered "pre-episodes" if you will. At any rate, through viewer voting and points won during challenges (Physical and mental please, so we don't have all athletes), we get to the episode where the semi-finalists are all standing outside the house with their duffle bags, hoping to hear their name read. 6 men and 6 women win the right to go in the house. THEN it's all Big Brother. No more viewer votes, etc. It's all about how they interact with each other and plot and plan. But, at least we have had a say on who goes in the house. If someone we picked makes it in, we already have somone to cheer for from day one. |
Mrose4243 | Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 07:35 pm     I am only hoping Arnie reads this board! What an awesome idea....Look at how many episodes they could do with this scenario, not to mention additional revenue from the increased net subscribers! This 'show' is what it is because of the internet support. Personally I think the TV show is terrible! No other reality show has 24/7 internet access(well almost 24/7, considering FOTH) If you can't see it 24/7 (almost) - it ain't REALITY! |
Dee | Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 10:06 pm     Definitely change the "Power of Veto" so that if one of the nominees for expulsion wins a challenge then they can veto their own nomination. It was so stupid not to allow them to do this - why even participate in a challenge if you can't take yourself off the block? |
Lurknomore | Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 10:38 pm     I love your idea too Whoami! Might work better with less people, but awesome concept!!! And Mrose, I fear Arnie already has his set vision of what this show should be (a real life soap opera filled with eye candy, jiggles and wiggles). I think the only hope is that the CBS brass sees this and realizes that if a board full of fans can come up with intelligent and interesting twists that would distinguish their show and get interest and ratings higher, than they should be employing some people that are capable of the same. |
Ohsillieme | Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 11:13 pm     I like the idea of letting the viewers have a part of voting out the houseguests. I also agree that they shouldn't know we are voting. This will keep all of them wondering about each other all the time. If not having us vote, then maybe using the houseguests from the other 3 shows vote them out. But again I don't think the houseguests should know this until they are out of the game. Maybe they could think that they are actually voting to evict but in reality someone else is doing it. Boy I can imagine they will be really talking about each other being traitors in this game. Can you imagine if they had done something like this in BB2? That would have been great. I found last years game got a bit boring at times |
Whoami | Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 12:12 am     I need a job. Anyone willing to be my agent and start negotiatng my ideas to Arnie? /clipart{happy} |
Lammy | Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 04:08 am     Hi Whoami... I also think you are on to something. I hope they have thought of some new twist to this show, I need to justify to myself the "need for feed". I wonder what they will charge this year???? |
Laisey | Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 02:17 pm     The HOH gets to nominate one HG and the viewers nominate the other. The HOH would be immune from nomination. This could make the HGs suspicious of the viewers' nominee, wondering what we knew that they didn't. And let's bring Nichole back once a week as a housemother. She would inspect the house for cleanliness and if it meets her standards, she would stay and cook them a great dinner. |
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