Sisalou | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 07:45 pm     Meggie - go watch Columbo! LOL I shouldn't even get into this but I do think his attitude may have more to do with his religious beliefs than which which part of the country he is from. The scariest part is that he really thinks he is right. Hopefully after life has knocked the wind out of his sails he will change his thinking. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 07:46 pm     but truby in order to keep Jee in line you have to destroy his current alliance and the only way to do that is with numbers fighting against the stooges and with Erika and dave and jack you have the numbers to destroy that alliance and still keep Jee for later use. Here's a thought about where Jun is at in this. I recall right after the nom's that Nate pulled her asside and he said where are you with all of this? he never said to her.. "ok here's what we're gonna do. She came back real fast and said... " I don't want to play this game with both Jee and Justin so lets stick to the original plan and get our Michelle. I hate losing her but we gotta have the numbers" She knows logically where it should be and right in the beginning she wanted Michelle out. It's all about numbers right now if you are playing the game to win. If you are looking for who you want to hang out with then you will lose the game. Jun plays a great double agent but she has displayed logical thinking ocassionally. I'm still pulling for logic to win out here. I will know for sure come Tuesday evening durring conversations with Jun, Ali and Nate. I'm watching Robert and he is way to quiet and not acting like he has the game today so Dana must be running to him telling him that something might be up. |
Saggkl | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 07:46 pm     If June doesn't have a deal with Jee now, she seems to think she can have one with him later or at least get him to do what she wants. Hence the reason she wants him to stay awhile. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 07:48 pm     Worst case scenario is that Robert offers Nate and Ali a deal if they vote to evict Erika and they take the deal at the last minute. Now I could see that happening and they would feel that all the "cool people" will be in the house. I could see that happening cause I'm watching robert and the wheels are turning. I'd say monday night will be interesting for deal making to seccure a vote. Jack and David are gonna have to be on point tomorrow night. |
Kmjm | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 07:50 pm     I feel sorry for Dana, she is genuinely suffering. However, she created this situation by going nuts with the alliances. So I guess I also don't feel sorry for her. Does that make sense? Mainly, I can't wait until Roberto is voted out. I want him to go out before Erika. I hope that Justin doesn't go down with the rest of his alliance. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 07:52 pm     If Nate gets what he wants this coming week the noms will be Roberta and Justin and he will work like crazy to get Justin out. That has been the guy he personally wants out the most and I really feel Robert is the bigger threat of the two. He's the perfect sleaze for this type of game and very soon they will all have to adjust in order to go after one another and Robert could easily sleaze right into the back pocket of someone like Ali or Nate in order to turn against Jack and Dave. |
Cameltoes | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 07:53 pm     I can't feel sorry for Dana - she does not take responsibility for her own actions. She complains that no one tells her anything anymore - of course they don't, she's made her double dealing too obvious. She accuses Nate of doing the same but can't see that she's digging the same hole for herself that she thinks Nate has. At least Nate didn't completely cut himself off from the original group and he still has people giving him reliable info. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 07:56 pm     Here's another potential problem in saving Erika. I know body language and Jun simply Does NOT like Erika for reasons that are very petty. She doesn't like "that type" of female and as I said jun has one weakness. She thinks in terms of who would be fun to hang out with further down the line but she is conflicted. She can't give control of the game to jee and the stooges so she has to keep the one girl she hates looking at to destroy jees alliance and get him back in line. She needs jee but she wants to control him not have him tell her what to do. I'm sure she's thinking... "damn Jee, why did he hook up with those two idiots" |
Meggieprice | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 07:57 pm     C1 Robert was trying to look like mister reasonable and nice to Jack and David all day and it almost made me think he is reconsidering his best chances. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:00 pm     I would NEVER trust Rob and I know Jack can't stand him. Not after Erika made him completely aware of just what he is really all about. I heard Jack refer to him several times as nothing but a con artist and actually they were thinking about telling Justin to think twice before moving in with him because the man won't be able to get him a job at wb as he promised. Now here's a crazy theory... Michelle stays. Now think about who she would nominate. She is so out of the loop she has said she would go after Jack and Dana. You just don't want to play the game with her. |
Sisalou | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:00 pm     Also wanted to add did you hear Allison say she was proud of herself because she has slept by herself the whole time she has been in the house. Excuse me, but hasn't she been rubbing all over Nathan and didn't they make out one night? |
Gvandeli | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:01 pm     C1--I agree, but I think Jun is a very calculating player and she realizes that, right now, her best interests are in staying with the original plan. I think Jun has the best chance, at this point, to go all the way. She is a really smart player and just really smart. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:03 pm     Gv I totally agree that right now Jun would be a definite pick for the actually victory and I base this on something real easy. No one has mentioned her for nomination and no one has mentioned when it would be best to get rid of her. She's the only one that has never been mentioned as someone leaving the house. This was a big sign to me that Jun is sitting real pretty. Right behind her is gonna be Jee because the rest of them are all targeting strong players and again Jee isn't being mentioned as a boot any longer. However, as I said, Jee must be controled by Jun for her to feel comfortable with it. In order to do that the stooges have to go. |
Cameltoes | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:04 pm     If Jun votes based on reasons that petty, she won't go as far in the game as I thought she would. What "type" is Erika anyway? The woman is extremely harmless and has no friends among the other women in the house. I feel bad watching her on the feeds since she obviously hasn't clicked with any of them and it's just painfully awkward when she's around the other women. So even if Jun hates her guts, she knows she's not well liked except by Jack and Dave so who cares? All I know is last night she seemed very firm and her gut was telling her to keep Erika. Today, she was clearly reconsidering for whatever reasons. Maybe is fearful of the fact that Erika has 2 strong alliance partners who will have shown their ability to save an ally if she stays and that gives her an advantage over Jun? Because who can Jun be sure would go to bat for her in the same way? |
Spyder | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 05:37 pm     Ali drags Dana off to the restroom to make SURE Dana isn't planning to nominate her if Dana gets HOH. Does a huge drama about "the rumours she has heard" that Dana would nom Ali & Nate. Too funny. FINALLY ends up extracting the promise she's searching for-- both promise not to nominate each other. But Dana swears "that's all I'm promising. I gotta cover my own butt." Can't wait to watch Ali hang herself. |
Mrsmel | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 07:55 pm     You and me both....OMG that seemed so fake. Dana is a lot smarter than they give her credit for. Her downfall is she yapps too much. If she could just chill out a little and hang around, the others will self destruct, BUT she may not be able to do it. Ali will surely blow it, I just have a feeling. |
Trubycat | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:06 pm     These are my thoughts about Jun too. She's smart enough to know that if she goes against the originals she'll have a target on her back just like Dana. If she goes against Jee's alliance, Jee will not be an immediate threat since he is neutralized for a week. Just enough time for her to work back into his good graces with her in control of him. Robert & Justin will go after the threats like Nathan & Dave. The only one she'll have to worry about is Dana. Allison is working on controlling Dana by cluing her in. Jun will be less of a target than any of the other originals and safe from the originals as long as there are exes in the house. |
Meggieprice | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:07 pm     I did not mean Jack would ever consider it- just that Rob weasel was trying to angle his way.Listening to him talk to Jack about Erika and portray himself in a rosy light was stomach turning. So many wrote since C1s post -this is an answer to talking about Rob trying to switch. |
Kmjm | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:09 pm     I agree Gvandeli. I also don't like Erika a whole lot, but I can't stand Robert. I don't want him to win by Erika leaving first. Jun is the most intelligent one in there. She is playing very well IMHO. She will vote Michelle out now and get Erika later. |
Gvandeli | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:10 pm     Plus--I think they are all getting a little tired of Michelle's "neediness". That wears out pretty fast. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:11 pm     Could Jun play the wabble game to see what the others reactions would be? She has that ability to test the others and see the reactions. She has been screwing with Dana all week for no other reason that to see her freak out. I honestly think Jun knows the numbers and knows what it should be but she is playing with it to get a reaction to see how strong Ali really is. If Ali is over there making deals with Dana I look at that as someone who is thinking too far in advance and trying to cover herself for the next nomination. She hasn't told Dana too much for me to think that Ali is definitely voting Erika out. Does Ali really trust Dana? I posted in another thread that I don't understand why these fools run to someone they know they can't trust and ask if they would put them up. It's not like that person is gonna say.. "uh yeah I'm gonna put you up" LOL |
Cameltoes | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:14 pm     Exactly C1 - it's so absurd. Plus, if she does vote Michelle out with the rest and Erika stays, Dana will immediately know it was a bunch of crap she was being sold and I doubt she would stick by any promises. Now Dana is going right back to the stooges with everything. |
Gvandeli | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:18 pm     Dana was going back to the stooges before the nominations even happened. If the original 8 are not loyal, it's her own fault. She started playing the "back and forth" for her own gain and now it's come back to bite her. I don't feel sorry for her. |
Saggkl | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:20 pm     is anyone getting the conversation in the hot tub right now. All I could really make out was Dana told them about seeing Erika, Justin, Jack and David talking together. Jee said they are plotting about the game. But I could not tell what else Dana was saying because of the bubbles. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 08:21 pm     Camel I think she is trying to protect herself and not even thinking about the vote. You gotta figure whoever walks out the door on wednessday that the tide turns imediately either way. There will be new promises and any power play this last week will have no power this week and Ali is trying to start playing for the coming week. Again, she knows the numbers. It's up to her. Maybe she is thinking how she could beat Nate in a nomination and maybe she thinks that Erika would evict her over Nate and Michelle would keep her over Nate. Maybe thats why she will keep Michelle. Hell now I'm playing both sides here. |