Archive through June 30, 2003
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Archive through June 30, 2003
Keiffer | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 03:03 pm     I think that it is safe to say that we are all pretty darn serious BB fans or we wouldn't be here. The thing is though that BB has got to lure the casual TV viewer to watch in order to come back each year. The truth is that if BB had stayed the way they did it the first year there would not be a BB now. Last year with a couple of attractive women around they got the highest ratings of any year. Also, I know some continue to wish for more "normal" people to be on the show so that they would have people to root for. Well, to have a person to root for you ahve to have the bad guy. Jason carried the good guy banner last year, and was around until the last week. What do you want? There to be a whole house of Jason's? For this twist I am reserving judgement to see how they actually intigratethe merging of ex's into the show. I mean they must be in the house by now if they are letting this "secret" twist out in the news. There must be a host of new rules in connection with this, and they could make the show better. I think each year the show has gotten better, and if they improve it again this year it could be AWSOME. |
Goddessatlaw | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 03:12 pm     On the one hand I'm kind of digging it - I suggested about a month ago in the first Twist thread, I think, that they throw some of my clients and their exes in there for some real excitement. On the other hand, I deal with the shenanigans of divorcing and divorced people all day every day, emotional turmoil and all, and I'm pretty sure I'm not going to find a great deal of relaxation and enjoyment watching the same damned movie at night. I avoid law-related shows and movies for the same reason. I'm going to have to reserve judgment on this 'til we see what kind of exes we have here - good lord, please, none with children. That would be beneath contempt. |
Clp | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 03:14 pm     Here are some screen caps of the commercial Faerygdds mentioned courtesy of welovebigbrother.com.
"It's move in day.."
"...for the new Big Brother 4 houseguests..."
"...but what they don't know is..."
"...we're moving in some of their exes, too..."
"All new Big Brother 4, CBS, Tuesday, July 8th." |
Ginger1218 | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 03:27 pm     omg omg omg, hurry up, I can't wait!!!!! |
Keiffer | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 03:32 pm     One thought about the second house thing for evicted HG's. I used to like the idea that HG's had to continue playing the game for the evicted HG's in case they made it to the final two. It seemed to make the game tough. I mean now that they are only going to see edited scenes from the main house it seems that the producers are going to be able to sway too easliy opnions about what is happening. Also when a newly evicted HG comes into the 2nd house what is to stop them for leaking information to the group? I say let them have internet feeds, the TV show, and the talking to other evicted HG's to make their decision. |
C1mag | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 03:35 pm     Well I'm still shaking my head over this "new twist" especially after reading that at least one couple is in the category of ... "never wants to see each other again"... By The Way I don't buy that any departed couple is truly on lovey dovey terms and desires to possibly be together again. If that were true they'd be together already. All that will happen is they will lock them up together in the worst conditions and it will ruin what little "nice feelings" they had for one another. There is a reason why people seperate and move on. Now why would anyone want to see these types of a reunions and not tell both parties in advance? Especially that first scenario where they don't ever want to see each other again. I have long since said that if I were even in the same room with a certain ex of mine I'd have to leave very fast cause things would get ugly almost imediately. Especially since I have vowed I would never speak to her again in this lifetime let alone look at her. Now add to the fact that you are literally locked up with her all of a sudden. Is this scandalous or is it cruel? You know it's based on nothing but someones desire to hear dirty laundry and pray for the fur to fly. This is definitely the Jerry Springer show times 10 because you can't walk away from that ex that easily and he makes it clear that it's more than one couple that feels this way. Why does he think that America would be intrigued by this for a couple of months? He wants hookups, hatred and jealousy to rule the climate of the show and I found all three of those factors to be the most boring part of the show and that was with strangers. I'm actually not as excited about this show now that this has been revealed. I'm curious enough that I will get the feeds if they exist but I'm making sure I get them with the agreement of the 14 days free to try it out and see if this is worth it. Like I posted earlier I hate to listen to someones past drama it bores me to death. He tries to pat it over making it sound like the 4 people who won't have ex's coming in would have somewhat of a chance. I can quickly see that won't happen. The couples would definitely first get rid of non ex's and then go after each other. Those voices from the show in the DR will encourage the couples to stay together and mind screw them into keeping their ex's in the game a bit longer. Shapiro needs the ex's to remain in the game for a period in order for his Jerry Springer approach to work. What is even more disgusting is that the edited version on TV will be eaten up by the viewers but those of us who watch because of the live feeds will be ripped off. One last banner would be great right about now... I HATE YOU ARNOLD SHAPIRO!! I'm gonna keep an open mind as a long time fan of this show but I just don't know..... |
Shadowkat | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 03:40 pm     Keiffer, I would guess that as each evicted hg goes into the sequestered house, they WILL be telling the others about what happened. Of course they'll only be telling their side of the story, so depending on how pursuasive that person is, it could make this very interesting. There will be a captive audience for all the fodder that's sure to be told, so I'm excited to see how they handle both the clips that are provided to them, as well as what they hear from the other evicted hg's. |
C1mag | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 03:45 pm     OH and a p.s... Whats the point of having a second house of losers who gets to see "EDITED" versions of what is going on in the house? Thats total mind control. Is the show going to pick one person they want to win and then edit them in a good light for the sequestered to pull for? Sounds to me as if the show really isn't so much a game anymore and the prize is secondary. All he wants is a bunch of drama and he gets a chance to select who he'd like to see win the money in the end. Yeah this is sounding real fun ... LOL ... Still shaking my head. |
Keiffer | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 03:46 pm     Shadowkat, what you said made me think of last year. I still think if last year the evicted HG's had lived together that Lisa still would have won. I mean she would still have had Roddy, Eric, and Chiara as FOR SURE votes. I also think that given weeks to help sway votes that Roddy would have been able to get the one extra votes she needed. I will say this though. The evicted house will have the biggest chance of "hookups" happening. I mean they have no reason to hide their wish to hook up now, and there is no pressure any more. The thing is though, that even with this rule change Lisa would have been the winner, maybe just for different reasons. |
Ladytex | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 04:02 pm     I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, I know that this might cause some drama that is usually absent at the very beginning, but on the other hand, I don't like that there is history between houseguests. This gives them either an advantage or disadvantage. I don't want to see hours of them in bed together nor do I want to see hours of them tearing each other apart. I guess I'll have to reserve judgement on this one. I, for one, am surprised, that's for sure, and I don't think it's a pleasant surprise either... |
C1mag | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 04:12 pm     Whats more irritating is that I just realized that the reason they are sequestering them is to continue the drama. It has nothing to do with protecting them from Diary Room entries they believe we will want to watch these couples go at it for the entire run of the show even if they are not in the game any more. He thinks that we all dig Jerry Springer. Whenver I see that show I never desire to watch it but once you have it on it's like staring at a real bad car wreck. You want to look away but all the crap keeps you looking and when the show is over you say to yourself... "what a waist of time watching that slop" UGH! We shall see if this all works or not. I'm still reminded of Karen from season one when she was attacking her husband every day. Now picture him in that house with her. I would have clicked off every feed that had just him and her on it because it would have been too much to listen and watch. |
Bastable | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 04:14 pm     Well, the sequestering thing certain does lend credence to the argument that Roddy affected the voting last season! Maybe AS wants to avoid something like that happening again. I still think the final vote should be up to America. |
Shadowkat | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 04:17 pm     Picture Karen from BB1 in the same house with Nicole!! Nicole would have told her to shut up, and we would have another saga to watch! |
Ladytex | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 04:18 pm     There was one article posted in the other thread stating that Allison G. specifically said something about what happened to Danielle being one of the reasons for the sequestering ... hmm. |
C1mag | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 04:25 pm     Unless they sequester them in areas all by themselves I don't see how the results would be any different. They will all still get to babble amongst one another. If Roddy felt that Dani was the reason he got evicted and he was sequestered with others he would have still worked to make sure she didn't get the money. Have Marcellus enter the evicted house and he would have also trashed her approach to the game. I like sequestering them but I would have prefered sequestering them from each other as well. |
Meme9 | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 06:52 pm     This could be interesting, then again maybe not. I'm waiting until I see the feeds before I decide. As far as the sequestered, they should absolutely should get the live feeds, that is the only way they could really give a fair vote. (And it would make for some great viewing!) If they aren't privy to the feeds then we(as in feed viewers)should get the last vote...fat chance for that. |
Bbfan05 | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 06:59 pm     There are two news stories on Yahoo! news about Big Brother--one about BB Africa and one about the new twist for BB4. Here are the links: Story about BB Africa link AND Another link <fixed links> (22) |
Bearstuff | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 07:20 pm     I may be behind on this...... but I just looked at the official CBS site for BB4 and the "X" factor is posted there! |
Curlyq | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 07:24 pm     I just saw the promo for the "shocking twist". I'm confused, though. Why are they bringing in the exes of only some contestants? Shouldn't there be a level playing field? How did they get the names and contact info for these exes if they weren't supplied by the contestants, and shouldn't that have tipped them off? If they've noticed the current trend of including exes on other reality shows (Ex-treme Dating, Meet My Folks, etc.) it wouldn't be hard to figure out that BB was hopping on the bandwagon. This makes me suspect the contestants gave them the names of exes they are on good terms with. I can't imagine them supplying info on exes they truly despise. Keeping in mind the degree of behind-the-scenes manipulation we've seen in the past (like telling contestants what character they're supposed to portray), I wouldn't be surprised if the contestants already know what's up and are planning to play the roles of angry ex-lovers for "good TV". I don't know. This is a little too much of a departure from the original premise. I'll probably watch the first episode, but I think this season will finally break my BB addiction. Then again, I say that every year. |
Castalinas | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 07:38 pm     As I posted earlier, I love it, as long as they will be fighting and not going to bed for the whole season like Eric and Lisa did. The idea that it might get to be "too much" for me and I would have to turn it off makes me laugh. I'll only turn it off if Arnie bores me with uninteresting hgs. |
Tabbyking | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 07:52 pm     they may have had to give ex's 'info' on who would have to sign a waiver so they could be talked about. then the production crew worked with that list and recruited from it to find the ex's. they probably camped outside the buildings where people worked, etc., and pretended they were recruiting big time even if they had specific people involved. this is getting fairly contrived, which doesn't seem very 'random'. it doesn't appear they are using 'strangers' to me. (if it turns out all these couples originally met or worked at belly's however, i am turning the tv off!) however, it's their show, so we can either watch or not watch. i don't think it's right that some people are in the house for a few days before the others are introduced because friendships and alliances will have been started. i wonder if diary room production staff will get some of the people talking about their pasts and somehow getting the ex's brought up. this might have the effect of the houseguest talking to other houseguests about certain ex's. imagine saying, "well, scott, he was a real jerk, but the sex was great. i hated his hairstyle, but he had a nice ass and i could stare at it for days. too bad his brain was lacking..." and then the door opens on day 4 or 5 and scott walks in. |
Tabbyking | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 07:57 pm     and what does AS do with a houseguest he is going to throw in if the ex already in the house says, "he slept with my mother, so i booted his ass". or, "i found out he was gay so obviously, our relationship was going nowhere. his folks don't know, though. i don't think he ever told them, because it would kill his mother." |
Clp | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 08:00 pm     So according to the info we have, one of the houseguests is nineteen. I found a cached page of the eligibility rules.
Quote:...5)One contestant will receive the grand-prize of $500,000. (A weekly stipend will be provided for each contestant for each week that he or she remains in the Big Brother House.) 6)You must be at least 21 years of age at the time of application. 7)You must be a United States citizen and live in the United States...
So what's up with that?? Here is the LINK |
Bettyrubble | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 08:11 pm     Excellent question Clp -- that one has me stumped. |
Maris | Monday, June 30, 2003 - 08:14 pm     according to information I read at another site, they found this kid at a mall. Sounds like the old Chiara modus operandi. |
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