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Wendo

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seriously, how long do people keep picking apart the HG's after the show is done? Is it a month? Three months? A year? Will we be done by Christmas? (Would just like to set my schedule accordingly.)

I guess I'm just at a point where I just enjoy reading about the HG's now that the show is over. What they're up to? Are they happy? etc., etc.

Now that they're no longer on the show, I see no need in trying to analyze them, or judge them. I don't understand why it continues now that they have re-entered their lives.

One email has prompted so much negativity when, it's just an email. Posts expounding on how this HG should be behaving, acting, and feeling. Goodness, I don't even do this with my family and friends.

IMO, the HG's aren't fair game anymore. Yeah, we hear about them, but can't we just *enjoy* what we hear and read, rather than find fault with every detail, word, and sentence?

I dunno, that's just what I'd like to see.

Your mileage may vary. :)

Battlestar

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 02:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo---yep they are still fair game or people that we want to hear about. They were part of our lives for 3 months and they don't suddenly go poof!! They still exist.

Danielle decided to send an email which in effect put her to the head of the line for discussion. How people choose to discuss it is up to them (they can still have opinions) and those who wish not to discuss can refrain. nuff said

Trulyscrumtious

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 03:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was just about to say the same thing.

Danielle sent the email and agreed to have it posted on Amys web site. A big mistake in my opinion, but hey, not the first and probably won't be the last. Anyway, to expect no one to comment on it, is pretty unrealistic. No matter what Dani says, that is NOT it, and that is NOT all, lol.

...again, just this gals opinion. :)

BTW...I fully expect people who didn't quite take to Amy as most of her fans (of which I am one) have to pick apart any response she may agree to have posted. As long as people chose to carry out their personal business in a public forum, others will have something to say about it, that's just life.

Shortnsweet

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 03:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But Wendo, you joined in on the discussion! This stuff is interesting to me and I would like to keep discussing it. I hope we can continue discussing the ex-houseguests for a long time. Maybe over time our opinions will not be so polarized.

Azriel

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 04:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There are other areas of the board if you are tired of discussing BB, you can go discuss Survivor, Amazing Race and there is even a General Discussion area.

I just peek in here for tidbits about the HGs out of the house, but I think it's great that people are still enjoying the BB section of the board! Heck you guys, you can talk about it till next BB if you want. Nobody is forcing me to look so I'm not going to mess with your enjoyment. :)

Oregonfire

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 05:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My only concern is with Dani seeing all the negative comments and beating herself up over any of them. To me, I think that Dani's desire to defend herself in that e-mail was a perfectly natural reaction to reading hundreds of negative comments about herself. Yes, she is a minor celebrity, but most likely not used to being scrutinized to the tiniest detail. The other "disliked" HGs passed out of the collective consciousness of the internet rather quickly after they were evicted. We no longer obsess about the much-reviled Josh or the hated Chiara. Even Gerry's nasty feet barely rate a mention. They are all moving forward with their lives and that's a good thing.

I guess I'm the Paula Abdul of BB3 fandom, not the Simon Crowel, and want Dani to be happy, not hanging her head in shame. (But lots of people love the brutal honesty of Simon Crowel, so hey, whatever turns your crank.)

Scorpiomoon

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 05:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's a testament of how well this year's BB did. I don't recall us ever dwelling this much on post-show happenings any other year.

Itsallgood

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 07:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My opinion on this is NO, I'm not done yet. If I go to a thread ABOUT BB and it's something I have an opinion about I'll post something ABOUT THE SUBJECT, NOT THE POSTERS POSTING ON THE THREAD!

Anyone that is tired of discussing BB & the HG can quit coming to the Threads about them. No one holds a gun to peoples heads and makes them go read them. Jesus!!!!

Prisonerno6

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When the houseguests stop putting themselves in the public eye, then I will stop discussing their actions.

Danielle chose to post a message to Amy's fans explaining her actions rather than send a private email apologizing directly to Amy. When asked by the AmyCrews.com webmaster if she could post the message, Danielle said yes. She could have asked Willow to simply forward it to Amy (although it clearly wasn't addressed to Amy). She could have asked Willow for Amy's email address to send her a note privately. She could have...well, I can think of any number of ways that Danielle could have *privately* apologized to Amy. She chose to do it in public, so I choose to discuss her actions in public. If someone chooses to wade through a 100+ post thread about Danielle's actions and then complains about it, well, that's their problem.

Bailey

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm a strong believer in karma. Whatever Danielle put out there for 3 months is coming back to her now. No.. I don't feel sorry for her at all. I don't even believe she completely understands what she did that was so offensive. She seems to have no concept of the live feeds and things she said in the house (not in the DR).
I won't compare any of the posters here to Simon Crowel or Paula Abdul.. but if we were to compare which hg was most like Simon.. I'd pick Danielle in heartbeat.

Oregonfire

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm a believer in karma too--my own! When my own karma's clean, then I'll feel comfortable telling Dani how to live her life.

Gina8642

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would like the negativity toward other posters to be done and over. Clearly it is not. I am sooo sick of people passing judgement on other posters because their opinions do not exactly mesh with theirs.

I stopped lurking and actually starting posting on these boards about a year ago. Why? Because I thought people were so civil here.

The last weeks of BB proved that to be untrue. People have consistently chosen to misinterpret and often misrepresent what fellow posters have said. I don't understand why people find it entertaining to try to bash other people and to twist their words.

I find it upsetting and sad that this board has turned in such a way. This used to be the only place I could find that was a pleasant place to come post. Now, instead of honest disagreement, it is much more about just bashing fellow posters.

I know the bashers are outnumbered by the nicer posters, but everytime I see a bash post, I just feel sick to my stomach. I hope now that BB3 is over, the bashing type of stuff can stop.

Oregonfire

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope you continue to post, Gina, when the mood strikes you. I like what you have to say and enjoy reading your posts. :)

Lurknomore

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Far be it from me to be the voice of reason, but if folks stopped bashing the bashing, took that energy and posted something nice that would therefore encourage nice play, and avoided threads they didn't have any interest in, wouldn't most of the problems be solved?

BTW I find it interesting that this year there has been some follow up from the HG's so we can know how things played out after they walked out of the FOTH. One of the things that's annoyed me in past BB's is as soon as the feeds shut down and the show was over that was IT. We never heard the end of stories or relationships. I think it's pretty interesting they are allowing up into this follow up this year. And my personal choice is to follow it with interest and not stop reading because the show is off the air.

I do think if we respond more kindly to the HG's keeping us posted they might be significantly more inclined to continue to do it. But that's just my 2 cents not a directive. :)

Cmore

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 02:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, my own opinion is that discussion boards are here for people to mass and discuss issues and topics. How long people come to discuss certain issues or topics, should determine how long the topic thrives or exsists as opposed to a certain timeline.

If people still have interest in the Hg's interactions with the public or other Hg's, why should it not be discussed? Just because the show has ended, the interaction and public statements, chats, interviews, ect. continue. I am happy to see that as well as the discussion board still being active.

I have no more concern for how long Dani may beat herself up over anything surrounding BB3, than I do for how long Gerry may beat himself up for failing to wash his "nasty" hands after taking a leak or how long Tonya may beat herself up for people thinking she is a bad Mother.

These people made a free choice to put themselves under the evil eye of public opinion and they had to know not everyone was going to like and adore them.

Debating and bashing sometimes rides a very fine line on discussion boards, when two or more posters go head to head in a debate. While it may appear at times that people are debating or picking on you personally, most often they are only personally debating your opinion.

The Hg's aren't the only ones who need thick skins, we discussion group debaters who defend and exploit their strengths and weaknesses could often use thicker skins too.

Ark

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 09:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I quit posting here when BB ended, but I do check back every now and then to see if there are any updates on the HGs. I think all of this years HGs should take a lesson from Dr. Will and publically keep their mouths shut about their BB experience. There are too many people out here that got a big kick out of the nastiness in the house and continue to feed off of it. While the game was going on, we were naturally invited to participate and try to steer one HGs opinion of another HGs. (i.e. telling Amy she should never speak to Marc again). Now that the game is over, any relationships between the HGs should be private. It would be great if they were able to share them with the BB fans but I don't think that it is wise on their part. I know that Willow thought she was doing a good thing by posting Dani's email but detractors will pick apart anything. I hope that Amy decides to keep any response to Dani private so that the detractors don't have the opportunity to attack her also.

I've wondered if it would be easier for some internet viewers to let go of the HGs and their lives if they were allowed to follow all of the HGs together, to the after show party. I don't even think that I would check back here for updates on them if the ending of the show were more satisfactory.

Bmh

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 12:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo I agree fully..I couldn't wait to get away from this message board after BB3 was over..bc there was just to much negativity and the bashing on the hg's was gettin ridiculous..and having to constantly defend some of the hg's was tiring..I come back from time to time to see whats up..and I am not the least bit surprised that certain ppl are still caught up on bashing Dani..it's time to move on..and just post about what they are all up to..why do some have to keep on posting negative thoughts and opinions?..give it a break
JMO

Onlyhuman

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I said in the other thread that when people start posting about "some people", I take it personally. I have no idea if you are referring directly to me, but since I posted in the thread under discussion I have to assume I'm included in the group being accused of "bashing" and I need to respond.

Danielle wrote a letter to a webmaster. It was written towards "Amy fans" not towards Amy herself. Willow asked her for permission to post it, Danielle gave that permission. It became a public post on a public website.

We are now currently discussing the contents of that post. As far as I know, that's not bashing, that's discussing.

The only bashing I feel is coming from this thread. Interestingly enough, it's complaining about posters who have posted on this board.

So, we are not allowed to comment on Danielle's posts but you are free to comment on ours???

Doesn't seem very fair to me.

I would respectfully ask that instead of posting negative comments about "certain people" you read the threads you want to read, respond to the posts you want to respond to and leave the vague personal attacks out of it.

Thank you.

Risa

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Very good

Itsallgood

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 02:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Once again ONLYHUMAN, you hit the nail on the head!!. I refuse to take the bait! I'd much rather save my opinions on the Thread topic. LOL

Hummingbird

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 02:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, are you our censor?

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 03:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok folks, thsi is turning south. Just like any topic of the game, when to finish the game is a reasonable question. I haven't seen anyone here tell amnyone else not to continue talking to the game.

I've seen people ask wjhat the value is, ask why not just move on, that it's still going on so let's still talk about it, and a couple others.

It's pretty simple--if you don't want to talk about BB any more, go to the other areas on the board--there are lots:)

If you want to talk about BB, you are welcome to do so as long as you discuss the issues and not each other. One point of importance is that it won't be long before this BB section is buttoned up. Just to let everyone know, so you won't be surprised.

Lurknomore

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 03:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ark...know what I think would really add to BB? If they had a reunion show about two or three weeks after it ended, where the HG's had a chance to talk to each other outside the house, let the dust settle, then come together. They could sit with Julie on a set and discuss things, if they were smart they could take some questions from internet viewers given the nature of the show (but then Arnie would have to acknowledge we exist lol), and maybe even have them do one last DR that we could watch live.

I think it would add a very interesting element to the show, and give us the ending we crave for, as demonstrated by the fact that we are still talking not only here but all over the web, including HG sites.

I hope this forum doesn't close TOO soon as there still seems to be news regarding BB going on. For example Amy's site posted that they are waiting her approval to post her reply mail to Danielle. So stuff is still going on, and not just because we want it to, or don't want it to end :)

Oregonfire

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 03:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That sounds like last call at the bar, Lance: "Everybody out, folks! You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here!" :)

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 04:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not quite yet Oregon--but I believe it will be sooner than later. Just a heads up about that. As for now, it's time for everyone to order a beverage if they wish:)