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Mystery | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:24 pm     "It is just logical that it is easier for someone who is an Atheist to not worry so much about the feelings of others because there is no consquences for them." I guess we have a difference of opinion on the meaning of the word "logical." |
Brenda1966 | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:29 pm     Mystery, maybe this is like "Roddy logic"?! |
Kminfinity | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:41 pm     This is a great thread~This is why I come to mesage boards--to read interesting and intelligent analysis, even that which is different from my POV. POINT-OF-VIEW--not, you know. Anyway, I have been a serious "disliker" of Roddy for a long time. When he was evicted, I expected to have that opinion modified, because traditionally, when seeing the HG's or the survivors "out of the game" it usually becomes clear that they had a "game face" and/or there is more to their personalities than was reveled in the show. With Roddy, however, I did not have this sense. If anything, the short visit with Julie only made me less of a fan of his. He stated 2 things that indicated to me he had that "toxic" personality Reenie mentioned on the first page: 1--He deliberately was playing to the ousted HG's in order to curry their favor. Of course, there is nothing "wrong" with that, but the way he worded it (always the semantics with Roddy.....) indicated, IMO, that he didn't truly care for anyone. 2--When chatting with Julie about his strategy, he was very concerned that he had never lied--yet was casually open about the fact that he played mind games and played on emotions. Fine. All part of the game, as Julie said. BUT--don't act as if lying is a worse crime, or that the mind games were somehow more respectable than lying. IMO, lies aren't as bad as the mindgames because the lies can be "accounted" for, named, and forgiven or begrudged. The mindgames go unacknowledged by the victims too often. It's hard to pin down, but there is a difference between following the "Spirit of the Law and the Letter of the law." In the case of the "law of integrity", Roddy may have followed the "letter" of the law, but not the spirit, IMO. |
Mystery | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:48 pm     Please, Brenda, don't make me think about Roddy logic! |
Twiggyish | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:58 pm     Doing happy dance!! (not saying why) Cross, you have a valid point and I know why you are saying it. No offense to the Christians in this thread, but it isn't fair to make blanket judgements of Roddy's belief or nonbelief system and then apply them to others. Also, this isn't about being Christian. My opinion of Roddy hasn't changed, especially after reading Reenie's post. |
Gramma | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:01 pm     Brenda, you mentioned the Golden Rule. One does have to wonder whether Roddy believes the old "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.". I'll bet he'd say he does and could/would do a good 2 hours soap box on that one. It's all in the perception. I once came upon a wonderful site about the Golden Rule. It explained how "there is near unanimity of opinion among almost all religions, ethical systems and philosophies that each person should treat others in a decent manner." No one religion can lay claim to it. There are many sites that expound on this. Just do a google search on : "Golden Rule" religions Whether or not the folks who compete in these reality games can actually live by this rule and win is fodder for a whole other discussion. Survivor's motto is to "Outwit, Outplay, Outlast". Could be used for BB as well. Tough to do that while treating others as you'd want to be treated. Jason sure is coming close to being able to pull it off, but that's due in large part by his association with Dani. He owes her. She owes him. Theirs is a true alliance. Did Roddy abide by the rule? Not in my opinion. Hey KM!! What a kick to see you here! As for your post.. ITA of course, but then GMTA. ;) Who is John Galt? |
Crossfire | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:03 pm     Is it safe to comment in here again? I was keeping quiet while the mini war was running, I did not want my comments to land in the line of fire. For those who agree or at least understand though, I do appreciate it. I am looking forward to seeing an interview or two with Roddy to see if he can provide any extra information regarding his gameplay. |
Duchess | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:08 pm     Gramma, I agree, Roddy overestimated himself and underestimated others. He won't accept the fact that people will disregard his ideology, for in his mind, only his view deserves merit. |
Moderator | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:09 pm     It's safe, Crossfire. Er, mostly safe. (K) |
Gramma | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:26 pm     TY Duchess. I like simple explanations. "He won't accept the fact that people will disregard his ideology, for in his mind, only his view deserves merit. " falls right into the personality description Reeniehere gave us. Yup.. now, wouldn't ya just love it if Roddy showed up in this thread to give us his impressions of our assessments? > |
Shyguy | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:33 pm     Wasn't Roddy in here earlier, Crag or sumthin'. Sorry Moderator, that just kinda blurted out. |
Observerx | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:35 pm     There is an interesting interview with Roddy in "Outside the House". Just wondering if anyone here has read that? |
Kminfinity | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:43 pm     LMAO @ ShyGuy... I kinda skipped over the religion stuff.. Being a very religious Christian don't like to get into shouting matches about religion. But I would like to comment that : The nicest guy I know is an agnostic. The second nicest guy I know is an atheist. One of the most evil persons I know is a Christian. One's belief structure doesn't always affect one's behavior. Being a self-professed Christian doesn't mean one will be "good". Being an atheist doesn't mean one will be immoral. By immoral I mean... oh hell, I'm not gonna define all my terms and explain all my words...... ***Hey Gramma--I wondered if that was you! |
Yuhuru | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:45 pm     Obs, Just read that interview. It's interesting all right. They should have waited a few days. Wow. I like him less. I thought that it was stratetgy for him to play with Amy's head, but I see that just the way he is and he doesn't even see it. wow |
Crossfire | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:48 pm     OK. I read the interview...It is not quite the ammo I was looking for to mount a defense. In fact, he sounded downright agitated. I almost get the feeling he learned more about what was going on in that house in one evening than all the other evictees have learned total since they left. Interesting read though. |
Observerx | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:49 pm     He still sees nothing outside of his own little bubble of reality... Which, of course, is way above our little heads. If we could only see the world the way Roddy does it would be such a better place (sarcasm - but he would agree). |
John316 | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:50 pm     Thanks kalekona, I just got back and realized apparently I/we started a bit of drama. I really appreciate your defending me, you said it better that I could have! I never intended to offend anyone or "preach" I just wanted to witness/share my personal experience because it related to my post and this topic and thought I said that clearly. (By the way, John316 refers to a scripture I like, not my name, I'm actually a she, not a he - no big deal, just wanted you to know who your posting with I guess! I chose it last season and wanted to keep the same name this year, but forgot it can be confusing with the John in it...sorry!) kalekona, I also understood your comment about Atheism relating to R.(same would apply to agnostic if thats the case - can't remember which he is myself)and I didn't feel that you were generalizing or steretyping that all atheists have personality disorders in any way. You were very specific to R. and I was surprised to see so many take it that way. Amen to all you said in defense of your point. Also, thanks to the moderator(s) for sticking up for me too - I'm glad not to have to read posts that attack me, or anyone, personally for opinions that anyone is free to take or leave. How can anyone call it censorship if we are all able to state any opinions on the related topic as long as we follow the guidelines and not go after the posters personally? That just takes away from what has been a great thread! |
Janebear | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:52 pm     Roddy is one of those guys who feels that they deserve anything he wants. His behavoir toward Amy was awful. He had no thought of her feelings. Personnally, I am glad that he is gone. It is a good lesson for him to learn that people are not around you just for his personal benefit. I guess that he is now reaping the consequnces of his behavior!! |
Observerx | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:52 pm     BTW -- I am going to miss Roddy. Sometimes this game is all about getting your adrenaline up (like a roller coaster ride) and he sure got mine up quite a bit. But there is always Marc |
Vanillarose | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:54 pm     John316: Just to let you know that what some people call witnessing others call preaching. It's all a matter of perspective. |
Twiggyish | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:57 pm     Yeah but Observerx, Marc just doesn't evoke the same feeling. I'll hand it to Roddy, he was interesting to discuss. |
Mystery | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:58 pm     I don't see anything specific to Roddy in the sentence "It is just logical that it is easier for someone who is an Atheist to not worry so much about the feelings of others because there is no consquences for them." To each his own. |
Crossfire | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:59 pm     And if I might add john316: it was the second ignorant comment about Atheists that got most people upset. It was a wide ranging sweeper that did not limit itself to Roddy alone. Most Christians I know would not go that far, at least not in a public forum. |
2addicted | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 05:03 pm     My husband predicted that I would miss Roddy, just because he kept things stirred up. OK OK I miss him! Can this house get any duller?? |
Crossfire | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 05:04 pm     Back to Roddy though...I think part of his problem, is his delivery, it is very flat, very blunt, he does not beat around the bush at all. Which is too bad as it comes off as very defensive. |
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