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TV ClubHouse: Archive: USA 2002: Outside the House: HG-DEBATE: My OPINION of Roddy: Archive through September 06, 2002

2addicted

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 11:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Krossd-- Thank you, thank you for reminding me of the eye-snot comment!!

In my house we have been debating Roddy since
the beginning of the show. My husband completely
focuses on all of R's positive qualities and refuses to see his insidious behavior.

It was sly digs like the one you posted that alerted me to Roddy's darker side. As I've said before, Chiara was one of my least favorite HGs, but I was appalled at the way Roddy treated her. I saw similar patterns in his relationship with Josh, and again (painfully) with Amy.

I think the only way that Jason and Lisa are able to deal with Roddy's two sides are to believe in "Game Roddy" and "Real Roddy." But Marcellas and Dani see him (IMHO) for the person he is. Marcellas is saddened by it, because he truly liked Roddy and wanted him for a friend.

Roddy seems like a person with many positive qualities, but if you genuinely care about people
you do not take advantage of those who are weaker than you.

2addicted

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 11:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And I meant to give credit to Reenie for an excellent post. I've known one other person in my life who exactly fit this pattern.

Amazing how you nailed it!!

Katlady53

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 11:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the insightful post, Reenie! You nailed my ex-husband right along with Roddy. Lol

Wendo

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rheenie and Krossd, Excellent posts! In fact, all the posts here have been great. What interesting opinions about BB Roddy and his game playing.

Carry on!

Kalekona

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 12:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
dee- that was my point, she is a caring person. Roddy may not think he ever said anything behind the others back but he did. Danielles gossiping isn't my favorite trait in her but I do think it is possible that a lot of her talk is "group" bonding not that it makes it right. I just think as a human Dani is miles above Roddy. When someone can sit there and do to Amy what he did, allow her to feel such pain and not offer any compassion shows a severe lack of heart.
But I don't think Marcellas is emotionially abusing Amy- I think he's over critical of her but he's not saying things to just hurt her, and he's there with a hug when it's all said and done.

Twiggyish

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's also possible that Danielle is highly competitive and almost ruthless in her quest to win.
Roddy recognized this in Danielle. But, he could not fight it or perhaps, he realized it too late. (Too bad, too sad)

On a side note, Danielle has a lot of good qualities. Of all of them, I believe her to be the most intelligent.

Brenda1966

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<< And I have to say is thoughts on God are telling as to his ability for compassion. Most Atheists think it is about them, that their want and needs are primary. >>

Wait a minute here! Don't paint all atheists with the Narcissistic Roddy paint brush. That's completely unfair and not accurate. Other people I've met who've had personality problems like Roddy displayed have not been athiest. It has nothing to do with religion. Would it be fair to say that most Christians believe they can act as immoral as they like as long as the ask the lord for forgiveness? No, not a fair or accurate statement either.

Probably the only thing I do admire about Roddy was his willingness to admit to his lack of belief when it would have been so easy (and favorable) for him to go along with most of the house (Dani and Jason) and let them think he was a believer.

I've really enjoyed reading the arm-chair psych evaluations of Roddy. You guys put exactly into words what I was feeling about him. Everytime I heard him say "I forgive you" to someone I wanted to run from the room screaming. He's a nightmare, but he's charming so he can easily fool others. Scary guy.

Crossfire

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was an ignorant statement of the highest degree.

Twiggyish

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can understand that, too Cross. Think how Christians and Jason's behavior are discussed this way, too.

Roddy cannot be said to represent all Atheists.

Moderator

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crag, defend Roddy, dont go after the other posters.

(DH)

Cragantler

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<> See above post

(cw)

Kalekona

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh so if you don't like an opinion Cross it's ignorant? That hardly seems an adult response.

I NEVER said all, and there are reasons behind my statement, we have no prayer in school because an atheist felt her rights were more important than everyone elses, same goes for the Pledge of Allegiance- God was taken out because an atheist didn't like it. I also never said everyone with a personality disorder is and Atheist. It is just logical that it is easier for someone who is an Atheist to not worry so much about the feelings of others because there is no consquences for them.
As for Cragantler being offended by John316 isn't this a forum for different opinions? I have never read anything I'd call preaching, john is witnessing nothing more. And sorry to say it's his right to do so and it's your right not to listen.

Shyguy

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with with Brenda1966, all atheists should not be painted with the same brush. Not fair at all. Like any other group of people, some of us are bad, but most are good.
Crag, don't give yourself an ulcer. Everyone has their beliefs(or non-beliefs). Doesn't mean we can't be civil. Probably best not to respond to posters who offend you if they upset you so much.
I'm not being mean, just practical. :)

Moderator

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mr Cragantler..IF you have issues with a certain poster..Please contact a moderator at tvchmoderator@hotmail.com .


Thank you
(cw)

Shyguy

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oops, this is a Roddy thread and I forgot to even mention him in my previous post. I guess I'm getting senile.

Don't you think it's amusing that an atheist like Roddy acts like he believes he's God's gift to the world.

Sorry. Had to say it.

Crossfire

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

Quote:

It is just logical that it is easier for someone who is an Atheist to not worry so much about the feelings of others because there is no consquences for them.




Another ignorant statement.

Shyguy

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crossfire. That quote sounds like someone is being "holier than thou" lol

Turtlelvr

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Holy smokes, so if its "easier" for an Atheist to be uncaring towards others,your logic would say a kind Atheist would have a better shot at heaven than a believer who was only kind for fear of religious consequences.....ohh the irony. ;) I usually don't get involved in such debates, but this one gave me a chuckle.

Moderator

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
MrCragantler..PLEASE refrain from addressing posters on a personal level.

Thank you,
(cw)

Gramma

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Perhaps all this dialogue about Roddy being an atheist is a moot point.

I believe Roddy stated he was an Agnostic, which is different than an Atheist. Am I recalling this incorrectly?

Observerx

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"It is just logical that it is easier for someone who is an Atheist to not worry so much about the feelings of others because there is no consquences for them."

So one of Roddy's main problems is that he doesn't have the fear of hell and brimstone to make him a more thoughtful person? Makes it sound like all Christians are only kind and thoughtful because of fear of retribution. How genuine can that be?

It's like all the houseguest and their phoney kissing up to the HOH because they don't want to be evicted... It's selfish not genuine (though sometimes I guess it could be both).

"we have no prayer in school because an atheist felt her rights were more important than everyone elses, same goes for the Pledge of Allegiance- God was taken out because an atheist didn't like it."

It's because there is more than one way to believe (or not believe) in this country and no one should be needlessly forced to participate (or be subjected to) someone elses religious belief - one way or the other in a public forum.

You have a right to believe what you want. It is selfish to expect everyone to accept your beliefs as the norm though.

Observerx

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gramma, I think you are correctly recalling that.

Shyguy

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oberverx - well said.

Brenda1966

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<< It is just logical that it is easier for someone who is an Atheist to not worry so much about the feelings of others because there is no consquences for them.>>

I'm almost too speechless to respond. Yes, there are consequences, maybe not hell or damnation, but there is this thing called a conscience. There's also a respect for humanity and feelings of empathy. The "golden rule" is not a Christian rule. Some could argue that there is more reason for an atheist to pay attention to how their behavior effects others -- there isn't any one for them to go to for forgiveness and to have all their sins taken away. They have to answer to themselves and their fellow human beings for their behavior.

Whether Roddy is atheist or agnostic, they are often lumped together as non-believers. There's a great quote about being an apathetic agnostic : "I don't know and I don't care." Wish I could find that quote!

Observerx

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanx Shyguy :) I've been getting so afraid to post lately... wonder why? Censorship sucks!