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Archive through October 12, 2002
Onlyhuman | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 07:25 pm     Shortnsweet, I, too, am finding all of this stuff interesting. We are getting lots of contact from the former HGs and it's fascinating to try to relate to them in this more interactive format than in the observer format that went on for three months. I don't recall this much contact in BB2. Sheryl & Kent, yes, but not a lot from the people who made it far into the game. We got a TON of this type of thing after BB1 (ahhh...memories) and it was terrific. I hope all of the HGs continue to provide updates and opportunities to interact with them. But if the HGs DO choose to stay in contact, they have to be prepared to have all of their words analyzed by the rest of us. It's probably not fair to them, but that's life and it's not going to change. If they want to enjoy their flash of "fame" they have to develop a pretty thick skin. Back to my own observations...Someone needs to tell Danielle that yelling at someone "I was your frined" does not make it so. Actions speak way louder than words in the relationship realm. ***thanks for the disclaimer, Shortnsweet! |
Onlyhuman | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 07:29 pm     EXACTLY, Prisonerno6! I would totally admire Danielle for realizing that some of her personal behaviors were part of her downfall. Acknowledging that, apologizing and trying to change such behavior in the future would make her a true winner! |
Oregonfire | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 07:46 pm     I have yet to see such a degree of dislike expressed for Dani, and for such a duration, for any other previous BB HG. I would not want to be in her shoes and don't think she deserves it at all. No, she should not have e-mailed a public apology, because now the fires are stoked even more. She should've walked away. |
Alegria | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 08:02 pm     Nicole was waaaaay more unpopular but since she was in really bad shape at the end of bb2 the critics were kinder. Dani is made of tougher stuff |
Itsallgood | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 08:09 pm     Uhm...Dani made her bed....now she has to "lie" in it. She just doesn't get it and she never will. Yes she should of kept her EYES opened and her MOUTH shut. Would of been in her best interest I'd say!!!! That's It That's All! |
Misslibra | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 08:21 pm     Alegria, I have to agree with you when looking back on former HG's. Nicole was talked about pretty bad. And I don't think she even had as many supporter's like Danielle does. Or maybe she did and I just didn't hear from them as much. |
Prisonerno6 | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 08:52 pm     Thanks, Onlyhuman. I compare it to what Marcellas and Josh said to Tonya and Gerry respectively on the lasst show. They both knew they said hurtful things to those two, but took responsibility for it, said they were wrong, and gave what seemed to me to be sincere apologies. To be fair, Amy's "if I said anything hurtful to anyone I'm sorry" seemed a little forced, and had the same lack of understanding (IMHO, of course) that Danielle's does in her email. I think privately Amy sincerely apologized to people (based solely on things that have been said in inteviews about them making up), but the one on TV seemed very hollow. |
Oregonfire | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:06 pm     I just worry--I don't want anybody getting attacked in a bar over this stuff or committing suicide over it like happened on some other BB in another country.(I know--the sky is falling!!)Okay, maybe Dani can handle the pressure. |
Shortnsweet | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:30 pm     I understand your worry Oregon. I too hope Dani isn't reading all the stuff on the internet. And I think that the internet was not the best way for her to address Amy. I am struck by the fact that Dani was so controlled and controlling in the house. I only remember the one time when she got really upset with Lori, otherwise she seemed cool as a cucumber. It seems out of character for her to "yell" at Amy. It makes me think that the "pressure" has gotten to her. |
Cricket | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:46 pm     Some of these posts are cracking me up! And yes, I'm talking about you too, Onlyhuman, lol! I thought Dani's e-mail was nice and I posted previously in another thread that she was clowning when she imitated Amy and that she had done it in front of Amy. She was probably hurt and somewhat humiliated to only receive one lonely vote. Many times Amy went to Danielle like a Mother figure and Danielle comforted her and tried to give her encouragement. I agree with others that if Amy could forgive Marcellus, for sure she should forgive Dani. However, don't forget folks how horrible Marci and Amy were together about the other houseguests. My only problem with this year's houseguests is they all seemed to attack one person at the end and that's usually not how life is. I think Dani thought Amy liked her and would understand. You can rest assured that if Marci or Roddy were in that winner's seat, they would have gotten Amy's vote. That only tells me that Amy has a rough road ahead, as she puts her faith and trust in the wrong people. Roddy and Marci are not her friends and never will be. I don't know what happened last year, but it is interesting this year that the houseguests stay in touch, especially in the public forum, via the internet. |
Risa | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:49 pm     Dani should feel hurt and humiliated over a 9-1 vote. Her actions did speak louder than words and that's what happens when you act like she did which was way beyond anything Amy ever did. |
Cmore | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 01:19 am     I don't know that Dani should feel humiliated over a 9-1 vote. She was one of the last 2 standing and that is an accomplishment that 10 other people failed to pull off. It was the one aspect of the game she managed very well. I think she is hurt, but that hurt stems from not really understanding what she did to deserve such a lopsided vote. Its not easy to see things about yourself that others may find offensive, because only you fully understand in what context they were done or said, while others "from the outside" often take them at face value. Dani certainly (in my mind) did no worse to Amy than Marc. or some of the other houseguests, but (also in my mind) Amy also seems to be more forgiving of the Male gender than the Female gender. Roddy also hammered Amy pretty hard, but it seems she forgave him immeadiately without any such apology. Dani seemed to have some knowledge of BB2 and the way Will played the game with success, but if she modeled her gameplay after Will, she really oveplayed her role. The first few times of the "devil" thing with Roddy I found amusing, but after the 200th time and refusing to let it go, I found it repulsive. If she would have took the time to let everyone know that her actions were only intended for dark humor and goofiness, instead of the "real deal" and quickly "Let it go" after someone was evicted, the outcome of the game and people opinions of it may have been much different for Dani. With Will and his actions, although some were very rude and mean, the guy just came off to me as not being serious about anything. I saw these same traits in Dani, but her body language ect., lead me to believe they were anything but a joke. Those are the key differences in my mind of why I liked the BB Will and disliked the BB Dani. |
Keiffer | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:19 am     First concerning Danni being one of the most hated BB contestants, and people not letting it go. Well part of it is because she lasted the second longest, and part of it is because this incident with Amy took place only a week ago. Rest assured had any type of story good or bad had been put out about Roddy that the Roddy hate club would have been in full swing on this site. Second Danny will soon realize that it was not that she was the only honest person in the DR that cost her the game. The DR is where Will was his most evil self. In the DR room he made fun of just about every person he was up against. The difference between his DR's and Danny's is simple. She behaved in the house is if she was trustworth, serious, all about the game, and allways could be counted on to say what she means. One last thought. She was able to play peoples emotions to get what she wanted in ways of evictions while playing the game... she just never considered what those emotions might have done once it was time to vote. YOu can't have it both ways. Play on peoples emotions for three months, and then expect them to turn them off like a light swith the last day. |
Ptomaine | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 08:36 am     From alt.tv.big-brother: "Amy was on the locat news here in Memphis. She said that she had talked to all the Houseguests and that Dani had emailed her and she returned it. She said that she has forgiven Dani and is planning on seeing her in the future. All this week Amy was on local news and talk radio. I didn't get up off my ass at all this week so I didn't see her. I guess she is pretty easy to contact. The next time I find out where she is going to be I will go and meet her and tell her that Dani is <> . I hope she agrees with me in confidence." 007 |
Boberry | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:51 am     Since I'm into Survivor now I seem to be able to separate myself from the emotional part of BB3, which is nice (it was driving me crazy!) I see both sides of this argument and don't choose to come down one way or the other. Two things came to mind while reading this thread. I haven't seen them addressed elsewhere, but if they have been, my apologies to all. 1) I haven't seen it specifically said anywhere by A/G that Danielle didn't try to contact Amy by other means than email first. 2) Yelling/causing a scene is subjective. Every person has a different definition of what that is to them. I've been over at the main discussion board and Survivor. Hope everyone has been doing well! Bo |
Loralyceallen | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 11:06 am     My opinion, and it's =just= an opinion, is that Amy will accept the apology for it's face value and then move on. It's obvious that Danielle does not realize why she lost the big money, and I doubt she ever will... just my opinion. At any rate, Danielle might just as well move on also. It is senseless to lock the barn after the horse has already gotten loose... Danielle said it more than once, that she was not there to make friends, and she didn't make friends, as I see it... so I see no reason for her to be upset now. Amy was there to make friends, and have an adventure, and she did... and she ended up the real winner according to her many many fans. |
Wendo | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 12:31 pm     Re: From alt.tv.big-brother: "Amy was on the locat news here in Memphis. <snip>" I just find this so pathetic. That someone will actively search out someone from a REALITY TV SHOW to express how they feel about one of that persons housemates and HOPE that the person agrees with their negative assesment. Don't people have better things to do? |
Shortnsweet | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 12:48 pm     Wendo & Ptomaine, that wasn't a poster on this site! |
Gina8642 | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 01:20 pm     I said a long time ago that I didn't want Danielle to win because I didn't want to see her behavior rewarded. It wasn't. The other HGs made it clear with their vote. I am pleased now to see that Danielle appears to be recognizing that her behavior affected others in a negative way. It is very easy to continue to continue to cast stones at Danielle for her actions in the house, or for perceived flaws in the method and content of her e-mail. However, I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth. Again, I'm very glad Danielle is beginning to realize what affect her actions had on others. This can only make her grow as a person. |
Beruthiel | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 01:20 pm     So, it seems that the truth is that Danielle mentioned the hotel encounter publicly first, Amy acknowledged it in a chat afterwards, and then Danielle sent an email to an Amy website, trying to set the record straight, from her point of view? Subsequently, Amy has been in contact privately with Danielle, and has 'forgiven' her. It seems to me that if someone is sincere, they try to make amends in private, and not in public for effect. A true philanthropist is the one who gives anonymously, and not with great fanfare, in order to tell the world how wonderful he or she is. Danielle's letter reads to me more like self-justification, and damage control, than a true attempt at apologising, and reveals that she still doesn't understand why what she did was hurtful. I'm not at all surprised that Amy has forgiven those who were unkind to her, because she has a big heart, and also had the decency to apologise unconditionally for the wrongs she was responsible for, in the house, as well as the courage and self-understanding to acknowledge that she acted unkindly herself, which is the biggest difference between her and Danielle. Now that the houseguests are out of the house, and the game has ended, I wish every single one of them well in their lives, and sincerely hope that none of them will have lingering ill-effects from their experiences. I also hope that we will continue to hear about them, because they were part of our lives for a summer, and being human, we can't help but feel that we know them and are interested in their continuing experiences. I STILL want to know about the houseguests from BBs one and two! Once they put themselves forward for the game, they gave us permission to become involved in their lives, and as long as they make public statements, we will continue to debate. That's it, that's all! Beruthiel, formerly Bernie ;-) |
Shortnsweet | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 01:30 pm     Well said Queen Beruthiel! |
Realrealityfan | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 01:45 pm     Danielle, by her actions seems not that happy about coming in second but would one vote make any difference to her..Just as each of Danielle's votes in the house were her choice..then shouldn't Amy's be the same way???Wasn't there times when some asked for atleast one vote when they knew they were being evicted and it wasn't given..What about Danielle's vote to evict Marcellas when she told him to his face that it would be the two of them..She claimed she was his friend..and then voted him out...At this point the HGs are scattering all over the country and either back home or looking for their 15 seconds of fame..Maybe in 50 years they can all get together and re-hash BB3.. |
Wendo | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 02:08 pm     Shortnsweet, I know it wasn't from this site. But, it was posted here, so I commented on it. Irregardless of how I or we think Danielle should act, behave, or feel, I'm amazed that one email draws so much criticism when we don't know any of the circumstances behind it. We don't know if Dani and Amy already had private contact. Nor do we know if Dani asked Amy if she could send an email to her fansite. Can't we just "read" the email for what it is, rather than call it sour grapes, justification, etc., etc. It could go on and on when, in reality, we don't know the full scope of anything behind it. We maybe know 10% of what's going on but were drawing conclusions as if we're fully informed. I guess it's just easier to point out the flaws in people rather than see positives. *sigh* |
Scorpiomoon | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 03:02 pm     woo hoo! |
Scorpiomoon | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 03:03 pm     100th post! |
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