Roddy Article
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Roddy Article
Shortnsweet | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 08:57 am     Wow, Lurk, I think you have Roddy pegged. I also thought that the manipulation of others seemed too easy for him. It seemed to me that he does it naturally. That is why other people thought he was still trying to manipulate them and his response was, "Huh, me? No, I wouldn't try to manipulate you!" Human interaction is so interesting! |
Suitsmefine | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 09:07 am     Lurk, in defense of Curmutt, I must say you must have skipped some of the posts.....That is exactly what Cur and I tried to say....We were simply giving our opinions which do not seem to go along with others here.(Which is fine Like I said It's a free country and individual rights are important) but some who were simply trying to state their opinions were out right being asked to PROVE IT, at every turn and quite frankly it was getting really frustrating.....Carmutt was not referring to the discussions simply the manner in which a few were trying to force us to carry on the discussions as if we were in court!!! |
Curmutt | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 10:03 am     Suitsmefine, thank you. What I objected to in my post was the insistence on proof that Jason called Roddy the devil, or implied as much. That one point is what I referred to as beating a dead horse. The psychology and life of Roddy is infinitely fascinating, which is why I came to this thread. To read 6 posts by one person demanding proof that Jason insinuated that Roddy is the devil is excessive, IMO. Lurknomore, do you get it now? I wasn't objecting to the thread, just the insistence by one poster on talking a minor point to death. As you point out, "this article is brand spanking new;" it shouldn't be too much trouble for you to read ALL the posts in this thread. |
Jane | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 10:13 am     Lurk I agree with your post from start to finish. But Roddy DID fess up on the show when he was evicted and Julie asked him point blank about his strategy. (Love how after he admitted it he said "That's not against the rules is it?" No Roddy neither is lying.) What he doesn't seem to get is the implications of preying on people's insecurities(Amy, Chiara) and creating false intimicies(Chiara, Jason) for the purposes of manipulation. I like how on the last show she asked him again but this time her question was more pointed. She asked if what he did was also a little dishonest. Of course he doesn't think so. That's where his cluelessness it. It's like as long as he didn't tell an outright lie he can retain his moral superiority over the rest of them and keep spouting off about what a good boy he is. Nevermind what he put Amy through, nevermind pretending to be Jason's lifelong friend just for the game, nevermind leading Chiara on. Does anyone else get the feeling that the staff was ... intrigued... by him? When Julie asked him about his strategy the night of his eviction she said Everyone is wondering, our STAFF is wondering... what was your strategy?- And I read an update near the very end where it was just L and Dani and Lisa said that one night everyone was in bed but Roddy - and she heard one of the guys in the wall say to himself (but directed at Roddy) "Stop plotting and take your as$ to bed." lol |
Meggieprice | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 11:16 am     Bastable,Lurk, Jane-well said! |
Ptomaine | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 12:22 pm     Curmutt, Seriously, I don't understand the problem you have with the "one poster" What if I were to say: Curmutt is evil, Curmutt more than once called some posters the devil, and glorified satanic acts such as sacrificing babies. Curmutt even claimed that Curmutt had sacrificed a 3 cats during last Halloween. |
Curmutt | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 12:33 pm     Ptomaine, you seem to fixate on an extremely miniscule observation, that of Jason possibly calling Roddy the devil. I haven't before mentioned your screen name because I wanted to avoid any semblance of bashing. Now, however, I will mention your screen name as you have chosen to fill a post about me specifically, with a string of absurd, disgusting hypothetical examples, carefully prefacing it with: "What if I were to say" in order to avoid the moderators editing your post. You truly have a problem. |
Lancecrossfire | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 12:35 pm     Address the issues concerning the HGs, not the poster!! |
Ptomaine | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 12:42 pm     Curmutt, I don't mind "bashing". I think you were expressing your opinion, and there is nothing wrong with that. I provided an exaggerated example to try to illustrate a point about what is wrong when an opinion is supported by "facts" that are not verified, or asked to be proven. This is clearly off the topic of this post anyhow, and I will stop here. |
Oregonfire | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 01:00 pm     Agreed, Ryn, about Amy. When she was curled up into a little fetal ball with her arms over her head in that papa-san chair I felt really bad for her. I had a lot of respect for Amy for not using the POV on Roddy, and saving herself in the process. She's the only one who really had the guts to publicly deal Roddy the eviction blow, and it obviously cost her a lot of emotional angst. |
C1mag | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 01:11 pm     For such a smart guy Roddy has got the worst case of amnesia of all the evicted hg's. Interesting article. The man still remains one of the most dilusional of this years players. |
Bastable | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 01:45 pm     Lurk, I am with you all the way. One could argue that in the end, Roddy did win the game, because he managed to sway everyone his way. But what did he REALLY win? Nothing. For me, it's a delicious irony to note that the biggest take-no-prisoners player, the guy who just HAD to win or else the world wouldn't spin, is the guy who got his way but ended up with nothing. Congrats, Roddy--you're the bankrupt winner. Roddy stabbed Danielle in the back harder than she ever stabbed him, by costing her the game. Maybe, just maybe, he will see how nasty and vindictive he was, how he took the protection of his peacock vanity way too far. He will realize how there is no dignity in revenge. And during that moment, he will finally mature to be the ripe old age everyone thought he secretly was. |
Zachsmom | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 02:02 pm     "One could argue that in the end, Roddy did win the game, because he managed to sway everyone his way" I disagree Bastable..there were people who were evicted that stated in their eviction interview that they wanted Danielle to win. After reviewing tapes and speaking with family and friends they changed their votes to someone other than Danielle..they did this all on their own before Roddy himself was evicted. I have read lots of assupmtion that Roddy was the one who swayed everyones opinion, I have yet to see one shred of evidence that could be construed as even a remote possiblity that he did attempt to sway anyones votes. If you have any evidence besides your obvious contempt for the guy I would love to see it. You are not only assigning so much power to one man..but you are belittling 9 others in the process.. |
Richardfan | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 02:07 pm     Hate to burst your bubble but Roddy didn't need to exact revenge. Danielle sealed her own fate. All the subscribers to the "Roddy controlled the vote" theory give Roddy WAY too much credit and at the same time give the other HGs absoultely NO credit for being able to make up their own minds. Even Furry, a friend of Josh, posted here at TVCH that Roddy in no way influenced Joshs vote. |
Romans8_1 | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 02:23 pm     Who would really admit to being under Roddy's control? |
Shortnsweet | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 03:26 pm     I just want to clearify one thing: when I agreed with Lurk about Roddy's manipulations being natural for him, I was not saying that I think Roddy influenced the outcome of the vote. Although trying to manipulate others seems natural to Roddy, I think that most of the houseguests had their minds made up to Not vote for Dani before they spoke to Roddy about the final vote. And I believe Furry when she says that Josh voted for Lisa because Lisa refused to take the $15,000 if it meant others would not get a phone call. |
Adrian | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 05:21 pm     Bastable,Lurk, Jane, Ryn, Oregonfire, C1mag - I agree with you guys 100%! Roddy? ...sigh... |
Bastable | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 08:01 pm     Richardfan, I assure you that my bubble is intact. You didn't make a dent. |
Lurknomore | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 12:49 am     thanks for all the nice posts...I love aggreement As for the icky stuff here I'll keep my nose far out of it this time. I will admit to choosing to skip posts that aren't talking just about the topic at hand and going at people. So I certainly could have missed something. But just one point to add...if I recall right Furry said she didn't speak to Josh about the vote and just got Merritt's opinion. Sounds very 3rd hand washed down. Personally I'd be more taken by this if Furry had spoken to Merritt. I still say the key thing I Roddy is so genuinely maniplative that some of those influenced by him probably have no clue they were, so they would/could never admit it. I will say he is quite the interesting study in human nature and I do bet the staff there were intrigued. Wouldn't you all just love to hear their comments throughout the show...like that camera man etc. Bet it's a riot. |
Cricket | Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 06:49 pm     That interview was pure B.S. and scripted, just like Roddy 'scripts' his life. That comment about imagining his grandfather sitting next to him made me want to run to the bathroom and hurl. He is just so very phony. Bastable, you hit it on the head with the 'lemon juice.' So very true. His constant forgiveness of his lowly peers was nauseating. The man is into porn and not into intimacy. I think he will find it very difficult to sustain a one-on-one relationship, unless she is a wimp whom he can make bend to his will constantly. My own opinion of his stand-offishness at the parties and in public is because he really thinks he should have been the winner. |
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