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Mellbell416

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 05:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani wasn't snowed by Roddy because she is a strong person. She has strong self esteem and who genuinely likes herself. You may fault Dani on other levels, but those two traits are definitely there - and are part of the reason why she can be a lot of fun. Someone like that gets completely turned off when other people try to pass judgement on them or treat them as though their perceptions or opinions are not valid. Roddy knew that she wasn't all that vulnerable to his charm - she wouldn't let him play those games, refusing to confide in him or show her vulnerabilities.

Duchess

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 05:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From what I gathered, Any Christian has a chance to witness, and encouraged to do so, but not all of them have the gift of preaching.

Cameltoes

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 05:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That interview with Roddy was kinda scary. I suppose it makes sense that he would be defensive considering the negative reaction to him both inside and outside of the house, but to not be able to step outside of himself even for a moment and see why other people might not look at him as being the nicest, swellest, most amazing guy on the planet? Say what you will about Danielle but I think she will be able to accept people thinking badly of the things she has said and done.

2addicted

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 05:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I said it before and I'll say it again.

I don't trust people who can't laugh at themselves.

The most real emotion Roddy demonstrated in the house was the shock and hurt he felt when he knew everyone had voted against him.

I would have written off *most* of my criticisms (not the sadistic way he treated C,Jo & A) but some of his other behavior if he had accepted his eviction with humor and grace.

I'm sorry. Roddy's interview scares me too!

Tracy

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 05:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My opinion of Roddy - hmmm. I think Reene's psychological evaluation was pretty accurate. Too many characteristics seem to fit too well.

Maybe Roddy was the baby boy of somewhat older parents and was the apple of their eye as well as his older siblings. Could account for some of his self-absorption and why he always thinks only he is right.

The thing I've wondered about a long time is why everyone seems to think he is so highly intelligent. Don't mean this to infer that he is unintelligent, just that I don't ever recall him saying anything I thought was brilliant or profound.

His rambling discourses about amphibians and the spawning cycle of the salmon were things easily learned in high school biology or an episode or 2 of Nature on PBS or the Discovery Channel.

He frequently bitterly complained about all the movie/celebrity convo's but I don't ever recall him initiating any convo's like what's your favorite book or what type of art do you like. Was he so condescending he just assumed the other HGs wouldn't have anything to say on those topics?

As far as I'm concerned, therein lies one of his major mistakes. He way underestimated the intelligence of the other HGs and way overestimated his own.

Wendo

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 05:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gramma said, "now, wouldn't ya just love it if Roddy showed up in this thread to give us his impressions of our assessments?"

Would there be enough server space?

Camel, dang, I'm gonna go read that interview right now....

Goddessatlaw

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ooooh, just read the interview. Himself sounds bitter and p*ssed. Kinda glad to hear it - I feel the same way toward him, I think. Glad to hear him express something that seems real, though.

Wendo

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Some interesting quotes from Roddy's interview that I want to comment on:

"What was your strategy? I know that being good or attempting to be good is the best I can do. I can do that better than lie, so why not go in with your A game? I did and I got voted out. What's funny is I got voted out for the thing I was not doing. There's definitely going to be a bit of ''Oh, my God, I can't believe the kid was so nice'' when somebody was calling me the devil."

Interesting. He still believes that he NEVER lied in the game. And, I doubt he ever will. He thinks he got voted out for being honest; No Roddy, you were voted out because the people in the house were tired of you manipulating them.

In addition, his comments about Chiara are just blantantly mean, cruel, and, dare I say, evil. I watched on the feeds one night as he DID toungue kiss her above and under the covers in the HOH room. Chiara should slap that man. What a cad.

But then he goes on to say:

"What hurt you in the house? Being in the relationship hurt me. It was the same with Eric. I think anytime you get seen in any type of alliance, that instantly draws attention to you."

Wait a minute Roddy, I thought there WAS NO relationship?

And, on to Amy:

"Do you think you were mean to Amy when she didn't use the power of veto on you? I couldn't have been nicer. I told her to her face I forgave her."

Uh, ya made the girl cry Roddy. You don't think that was mean? Ooookkkk.

About him being manipulative with Amy:

"That wasn't manipulative? Bulls---. I'm not in this game anymore. I have no reason to lie. I forgave Amy. I know maybe we live in a world where that's not possible. I don't f---ing care what I'm supposed to feel. For everybody to keep questioning that -- like they can see through me -- is crap. I cared about those people. I stuck up for them when I could have blasted them. I was a good person."

Wow, lots of swear words there Roddy. Bitter much?

And, about the game:

"Who do you not want to see win? You really don't want to write a check for a half million bucks to someone calling you the devil in front of the planet. I think Lisa has played the game extraordinarily well and she should win this game."

Notice, Jason is no longer mentioned. Why? Because Jason "betrayed" Roddy. And, Roddy just can't stand this kind of thing because of his ego.

You know, I was certainly hoping that outside the house, my opinion of Roddy would change for the better. However, after reading that interview, I can honestly say that my opinion of Roddy is even lower than what it was before he was evicted.

Roddy needs to grow up and realize that the world does not revolve around him. What an arrogant son of a "B". (Ya know what I'm saying.)

Gee, I guess with Roddy, De-Nile IS just a river in Egypt.

Twiggyish

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Read Gerry's interview and then read Roddy's.. quite a difference.

2addicted

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo--

Congrats on a great analysis of Roddy's interview.

I say it is a must-read for all fans of the show.

(However I do acknowledge that there will be differing interpretations of it)

Observerx

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
John316, Please check your member folder when you get a chance.

Wendo

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
2addicted, Oh, I don't doubt that there will be differing interpretations of it. It's expected since Roddy was certainly a fan favorite with many here.

Personally, I found his comments about Chiara really awful. They seemed so cold; and about a woman who gave him something so important to her.

I believe he could've been nicer about Chiara in his interview.

Twiggyish

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, first he says they don't know each other, and then, talks about being touched about her blanket. He MADE Chiara to believe there was more.

Cameltoes

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah.. that really made no sense. I don't see why you would be touched by that gesture if it was made by someone who all you can say about is "I don't know her, and she doesn't know me". I feel bad for Chiara. She thinks they have an amazing friendship and hopes to pursue more. He also seems to blame it all on the producers for turning it into this grand romance but what exactly did he expect to happen after he jumped into bed with her night after night?

Loppes

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Twiggyish,
I disagree. Roddy never made anyone believe there was more. I'm sure Chiara sees him as a good friend and not a potential boyfriend. The truth is, the viewers assume there was more, but when you really look at it. Roddy never gave expectations to Chiara, she invented them in her head. I find it incredible how people berate Roddy and his relationship with Chiara, when Eric would have sacrificed Lisa to stay in the house. People's imaginations have gotten away from the truth. One truth, about Eric and Lisa is they were together far less in the house. If Lisa has expectations of Eric, I have a feeling he doesn't hold the same anymore. It wouldn't surprise me if Eric's been out dating other women, while she pines away for him in the house.
Lisa, who I was rooting for before, has become very naive and influenced by the Destructive Danielle. She's allowed herself to become brainwashed by Danielle. There is no reason for Lisa to have such hate for Roddy.
Lon

Maryk

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 07:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Loppes, I agree with you completely.
I'm disappointed at Lisa, she allowed herself to be influenced by Dani yet again.

Wendo

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 07:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Loppes, I disagree, Chiara absolutely sees Roddy as a potential boyfriend. Here's a quote from her chat the other day:

"<Kristiii> <marcihastogo> #bbchat -> Chiara - are you planning to persue a relationship with Roddy?

<chiarabb3> I hope so, Roddy and i have a very special bond and have tried to maintain that through the show, that house is hard to develop true feelings in, but i know we are going to see if it can work outside of the house. he's an amazing person, i would be very lucky to have him in my life."

Compare what she says about Roddy to what he said about her. Tell me that Chiara wasn't lead to believe Roddy that a relationship was possible after they left the house. And, that his "relationship" with her hurt him in the game. Chiara says she'd be very lucky to have him in her life. Roddy says he barely knew her. Argue that.

I found this comment by Chiara interesting as well:

"<chiarabb3> they hurt my chances b/c amy really liked him and didnt' like the attention i got, roddy told me to vote out lisa which hurt me, so those are the only things"

Roddy TOLD her to vote Lisa out. Seems that Dani was right all along.

Loppes

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 07:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo,
Fact: Roddy said he barely knew Chiara. That is absolutely true. He has known Chiara a total of 1.5 months in his whole life. Let alone closed up in a house.

Fact: Chiara and Roddy do have a special bond as friends. You neglect Wendo, to look at Chiara's words, "I hope". That is Chiara's "hope", it doesn't mean it will happen.

Fact: Why shouldn't Roddy tell Chiara to vote Lisa out? Every houseguest has told others to vote people out. Does that make Roddy bad? Look at Danielle, she has ordered people around like the Gestapo, on what to do, who to vote out.

Fact: Chiara lead herself to believe and hope. If she's stupid enough to think a serious relationship can result, then I say she's plain stupid. I have no doubt she and Roddy will be friends, but she's not his type. I say this being a man who can sense the "thoughts" of another man, more than a woman.

Fact: Roddy told Chiara a number of times about some problems he has with her character. At least he was truthful and honest. If Chiara wants to fantasize then I suggest at this point she and Lisa get themselves a place together, so they can both pine for two men whom they barely know.

If they went into the house looking for love, they are dumb to think so.

Fact: People can't handle the fact that Roddy was truthful and played the game honestly and with sincerity. Its great for them to sit in the house right now and bash him to no end. I think their time would be better spent looking in the mirror at their own actions against others.

Lon

Azriel

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 07:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I came over to this thread to see what all the ballyhoo was about. I tried to read the whole thread, but after the second archive my head was spinning with psycho-babble.

I think saying Roddy has a toxic personality is going waaaaaaaaaaay too far. He is a charming man and he tried to use what he considered his greatest asset, his charm, to win a game. I don't think he intentionally hurt anyone in this game.

I prefer Roddy's personality to Dani's by far. She's the Love Canal of personalities if you ask me.

Wendo

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 07:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To address your "Facts".

Fact 1: He gave her the impression that he liked her and was interested in pursuing a relationship outside the house. I watched it on the feeds. Barely knew her? The man saw her naked and wrinkled the sheets on occassion with her.

Fact 2: Apparently there wasn't a special bond, if you go by Roddy's words in his interview. Her "hope" came from him. Again, I watched their talks quite often.

Fact 3: I don't dispute that Roddy told Chi to vote Lisa out. However, I was pointing out another instance where he lied, from the man who continues to insist he never lied in the house. After Chiara left, he insisted to Dani, Lisa and the other HG's that it was Chiara's decision, that he NEVER told her what to do.

Fact 4: No, Chiara was lead by Roddy. Again, there were many times where he gave her the impression that a relationship was a definite possibility outside the house. Roddy should have been a MAN and ended it with her properly. But, he still wanted that jury vote, so...

Fact 5: He certainly told her a lot about her character didn't he. And, got her to apologize for it. Truthful and honest. Please. Then why did constantly sleep, kiss, and snuggle in the HOH room? And, as far as Chiara trying to talk to Roddy about his character, well, he wouldn't even go there because, well, he was the best most awesomest guy in that house. What could've been wrong with his character.

Fact 6: Incorrect. There are now numerous lies and deceits out there proving that Roddy DID NOT play the game truthfully and honestly. I point one out above. There are others.

I disagree with each and every one of you "facts."

Wendo

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 07:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Azriel, actually, in Rheenie's post, she compares Roddy to a toxic personality and says he exhibited similar characteristics. But, from what I read of her post, she didn't call him a toxic personality.

Though, I could've read it wrong.

Loppes

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo,
Just admit you can't stand Roddy, and this conversation can be closed. I mean come on Wendo, think about it for a bit, Would you be interested in a man if He went around exposing his rash riddled crotch for all to see, and insisted on plucking his armpits?
I'd be interested in knowing, which man from BB3 met your standards?

Azriel,
"Love Canal of Personalities", I've been scramblin my brain for a perfect description of Danielles character, you hit the nail on the head. :)
Lon

Azriel

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 08:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, if I said in a post that you exhibit characteristics of a toxic personality I don't think you would appreciate my observation very much even if I told you that I wasn't 'saying' you were one.

I don't see the reason to put out that strong and damaging a supposition about a person. It gave me flashbacks to the 'Eddie is a woman abuser' threads from BB1.

Costacat

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
MY opinion of Roddy is he is one angry and bitter man. MY opinion is that I am scared to death of his personality and his self-perception. MY opinion is, well, heck! I'm joining Twig in that funky little happy dance.

P.S. Roddy LET Chiara continue to believe they were BF/GR. He led her on. Oh, and uh, would you spoon with someone like that if you "didn't know" that person?

P.P.S. Thanks mods!

Azriel

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 08:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Costacat, it looked to me like Roddy was trying his damndest to let Chiara down gently and she was too bone headed and starry eyed to understand.