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TV ClubHouse: Archive: USA 2002: General Discussion: Amy's remark re: Danielle yelling at Amy for not voting for her : Archive through October 08, 2002

Jane

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 04:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Joyful Willow posted an incident where she called him evil.
You have a good day too. :)

Espen

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 05:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just out of curiosity, which newsgroup are all these clips on? Sounds like I have missed out on that...

Itsallgood

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 05:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep, I had live feeds and heard EVIL come out of Dani's mouth over and over and over...! (Even after he was gone)

It got to where I turned down the sound cuz I'd heard it enough. But I'm not going to sit here and defend what I heard. No point! I know it happened and I heard it! Enough for me! :-)

JMHO

Ryn

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 06:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
if you go to the search function of this site and type inthe word "evil" and limit it to the BB area you will find 500+ references to the word. Un fortunatly the search includes "devil" in its results.

If you look JUST at the live feed posts in the results, it seems to me at least that the word of choice was "devil" not "evil" - I looked for about 10 minutes and got sick of re-hashing that stuff, but what I found was Dani said "devil" A LOT - and instances of Evil or varrients were much less common and were often used by others (Roddy saying people thought he was Dr Evil, etc).

Anyways - I tend to agree with Max, I wish the pettyness could be put aside and folks could move on, and I am saying this as a moderator because these topics boil blood and make work for me. :(

anyways - thats my feelings and no one is going to change them - lol.

I like almost every HG - including Danielle AND Amy. SO there!!!

Ptomaine

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 07:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Espen, regarding the clips, alt.binaries.tv.big-brother.

Crossfire

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, with respect to the search function pulling up devil when searching for evil, the solution is to put the search term as:

evil -devil

Works great, I had to figure that out because when searching for my own posts, I used to get a lot of results that included Lancecrossfire. So when searching for my stuff, I just searched for Crossfire -Lancecrossfire, which did the trick.

HTH.

Ryn

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ahh cross - I thought about it but didn;t plug it in - lol

I was telling myself that they would cancel each other out since evil is a part of devil.

I had tried " evil" (with a space) and it had not worked so I gave up.

And I had no patience, its a topic, that for me is long over, seems to me that BB ended 2 months ago. :)

Ryn

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ohh - i know why I didn't do it, because that would exclude posts that included both words. And I have a feeling that the two were most likely used together a lot ;)

Ryn

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ok ok.... I did the search in the BB area only for +evil -devil

Individual word counts: devil: 155, evil: 128

Of the instances of "Evil" int he live feeds - EVERYONE says it - lol - Marcel seems to actually say it the most but I found quotes of Jason, Chiara, Roddy, Marcel, Lisa, Eric, and yes, Danielle saying it.

I only looked through half the posts but from that search I would say that Danielle did not say it much, and the one post I recall was her talkign about Gerry I think when Marcel was moaning about the veto to her.

So, for what its worth, I dont' think Danielle said "evil" much.

Now DEVIL is another matter, she tossed that phrase around all the time ;)

Draheid

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey, folks, if you keep putting *those words* on the board, I'm afraid they may have dire consequences on the clubhouse. I mean, is it possible the board could begin to think of itself as *those words* because it is seeing them so often? I sure hope we don't become known as the *those words* board in social circles, ya know! :O

Jane

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 09:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crossfire! Excellent! Thank you for that. I did the search again - and once again didn't find a quote of Danielle calling him evil. So what that says to me is, if she did it (I believe Willow's update) she didn't do it all that much.

And Ryn you say you agree with Max. So would you like me not to post anymore? I think we've all been good. :)
I never understood when someone would post on a discussion board for people to stop discussing a certain topic. I mean, it's a discussion board.

Joyful

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rts? I have no evidence? you make it sound like I need a smoking gun. I'm not trying to prosecute her for a high crime. I just added to this message board my thoughts and that I remembered her calling him evil. It looks like there was some evidence provided today. So in keeping with the tone of the thread.
Joyful submits < the evidence > to the court. Let it be marked exhibition LOL
Now I need my tums lol

Rts

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No the conversation is why Dani would be upset at Amy. And that is on topic.

Amy was so critical of what Dani said in the diary room, when Amy was the worst offender. No one was as cruel to Amy as Marcellas and Chiara, yet Amy didn't seem to hold a grudge against them.

Meanwhile Dani according to a radio interview was under the impression that Amy wanted an apology! After Dani was the one who was responsible for keeping Amy in the house and did seem to have real concern for Amy, but like everyone in the house thought Amy was a <MOD14>. Lisa couldn't care less for Amy and called her a sad person.

Amy was just piling it on Dani after she just got out of the house. All evidence points to Amy being drunk at the time. But that is not the point.

Shakes

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 03:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OBJECTION!

We're going to need the transcript of said radio interview as well as proof that Danielle was intentionally keeping Amy IN the house rather than focusing on voting Marcellus OUT. Additionally, we'll need something to back up your "All evidence points to Amy being drunk at the time" claim.

Fanny

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am amazed.

Beruthiel

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 03:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I concur. WHAT evidence points to Amy being drunk? And if that isn't the point, then why bring it up?

Beruthiel

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 03:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, by the way, FYI, I used to be Bernie, but got tired of being taken for a person of the masculine gender-hence the new username-hiya!

Guinevere

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 03:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If by "all evidence" you mean "absolutely no evidence", I agree with you, rts.

As for Amy being "the worst offender" in the DR, that's certainly debatable. (As an aside, I don't understand why Dani and her fans think the issue is solely DR behavior - when it was in her conversations with Marcellas, et al. that Dani's behavior was at its ugliest.)

IMO, the worst "offense" committed by anyone on the show was the night that Danielle REPEATEDLY encouraged Amy to drink when Amy didn't want to. There was no strategic reason for it, that I could see, and in light of Danielle's many complaints about Amy's "drinking problem", it seemed egregiously malicious.

Rabbit

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dang Bernie, I spit all over myself trying to pronounce "Beruthiel". Now I have to put on a bib to read your posts.

Onlyhuman

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 04:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rts, I'd like to address your post...

If I am reading you correctly, from your perspective, Danielle is angry because 1) Amy was upset at Danielle for calling her names when Amy had no right to be because she called others names; 2) Amy did not appreciate everything that Danielle did to "keep her in the house"; 3) Amy forgave others who called her names but did not immediately pardon Danielle; 4) Danielle cares about Amy and doesn't understand why Amy can't appreciate that; and 5) Amy said mean things about Danielle outside of the house (I'm guessing that this is what you meant by "piling it on"). Oh, but I guess the most important reason for Danielle to be angry is because Amy didn't vote for her, and Danielle felt she should have, since she was obviously such a good friend to Amy in the house.

First of all, Amy was well aware of the name calling she did, both inside and outside of the diary room. She spoke of it while in the house and when she got out. She made a both a public apology and a private apology (as reported by Chiara) to those she offended, namely Chiara and Tonya. Amy did not owe Danielle an apology since she never said anything bad about Danielle as a person.

Second, Amy was rightfully hurt to discover all of the things Danielle said about her just as she was hurt by the things Marcellas said. Marcellas spoke to Amy and apologized. Amy forgave him, because that is the kind of person she is. Amy would probably forgive Danielle, but Danielle has given no indication that she feels she owes Amy an apology. In fact, she seems to feel that Amy owes her an apology for not voting for her.

If Danielle truly cares for Amy, as you claim, then why did she spend the last week making little comments about Amy every time she left the room? If that's caring, well...let's just say I would not like to see how Danielle treats someone she claims to dislike. How can Amy truly believes that Danielle ever "cared" about her when she has so much evidence to the contrary?

You spoke about Amy "piling it on Dani" after she got out of the house. If you mean that she was hurt and disillusioned and expressed this to people who questioned her, then you are right. However, I feel that you had a much more negative connotation, and I would appreciate if you could give an example of what what you mean by that phrase.

Finally, as others have already pointed out, there is "evidence" that Amy was drunk, as far as any published reports of the incident go. If you have some evidence, other than your own interpretation of Amy's basic character, please cite it.

What I'm trying to say is that, while you have cited reasons why Danielle might feel entitled to be angry with Amy, there are many logical reasons why Amy is entitled to be angry with Danielle and if Danielle did, in fact, yell at Amy then she needs to take a step back and look at her own behavior.

Itsallgood

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Double Ditto to what Onlyhuman said!

Beruthiel

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 04:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Excellent, Onlyhuman!

Rabbit, sorry! (hehehe!)

Breakdown of pronunciation:
Ber - as in Bernie;
Ruth - as in Ruth;
i as in ee;
el as in ell...
Beruthiel - from Queen Beruthiel, in Lord of the Rings, whose cats always found their way home

(cw)

Kristylovesbb

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 05:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In my opinion if Dani yelled at Amy it was because she was po'd and she is a coward. Never would she had yelled at Roddy or Gerry or Marci. She was venting and taking it out on the person that she knew would not fight back. I think she was probably mad at everyone and Amy was an easy target. She thinks Roddy rallied the votes against her and he may have but she caused her own loss.

Rain

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 05:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Although I liked Dani and thought she played a good game, I realize (after considering many posts since the finale) that the reason these houseguests were so disgusted with Dani was that she pretended to be their friend, to be "above all the manipulating". Betrayers whom you love are always going to be held to a higher account than your enemies. After all, you expect your enemies to betray you, hence its easier to forgive.

So Dani reaped what she had sown. She would have been better off acting a little more like Richard on Survivor I. Instead, she was true to no one, ultimately not even Jason.

Joyful

Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 05:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Forgive me but this keeps going thru my head, lame as it is.
< Order in the Court, here come da judge, here come da judge >
Okay so I have a warped sense of humor!