RealOne Player for OS X is OUT - download link
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Therlin

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 05:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The beta for the RealOne player (OS X only) is out.

http://www.real.com/realone/mac/index.html?src=020717realhome_mac

Therlin

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 05:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm using it as I type this. The video is smoother than using the RealPlayer 8 but it looks like it's not interpreting things properly, hopefully this will be fixed soon. Also keep in mind that this is a beta.

I recommend copying and pasting the following links into RealOne (File/Open Location)
rtsp://start.real.com/rd?pid=bb3&url=bb3_1.smil&rpcontexturl=_keep

If you want a different camera look for the bb3_1 and change the 1 to the camera you want, so bb3_2, bb3_3, bb3_4

At least that's the only way I can get it to work right now. I have to leave now but I'll keep playing with it later.

Fuddyduddy

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 07:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am so confused! Downloaded the beta version, signed up and paid......now how do I get to Big Brother?

This is the first time I have tried this, so am a complete novice!

Tried the url from Therlin, but it keeps saying that the url is wrong.

Help?????

Sanfranjoshfan

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Therlin - "hopefully this will be fixed soon"

I'm not holding my breath for quick updates....below is an email I got from a friend on the 14th (I wonder if this helped prompt a release of a not-ready-for-primetime beta version):

From MacDesignOnline.com

RealNetworks real nasty toward Mac OS X

If you're using Mac OS X, and you've tried to find an OS X version of RealNetworks RealPlayer, you probably alreadyknow you're out of luck. Even though Real posted this notice on their Web site, "RealNetworks is fully committed to the Macintosh and we're actively working on bringing our latest technologies to the Macintosh platform," so far there's no RealPlayer for OS X in sight.

Jon Gales, our MacDesignOnfine News Editor and newshound with MacMerc.com, started following up with RealNetworks, and Jon was shocked to read RealNetworks' response, which included this: "Unfortunately, Mac versions, although very important, just make up such a small amount of the computer universe that they are often the last to be focused on," and they noted, "Real makes their technology compatible with over 10 different Operating Systems, and the other platforms are in much higher demand unfortunately, so we have to get to them first."

I'd love to know which other platforms RealNetworks is working on (since all the Windows RealPlayers are already available). Hmmmmm

Jon and the gang at MacMerc.com aren't taking this sitting down, and they've set up a form for you to contact RealNetworks to share your displeasure that after 14 months, there's still no Mac OS X version of their RealPlayer software. Join their "revolution" at
http://www.macmerc.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=27

Bastable

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Therlin,

Does downloading the new RealOne conflict with/uninstall/alter RealPlayer 8? I want to try it but I don't want to find I can't go back to what's already working!

Therlin

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 10:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It didn't conflict with mine. RealOne is an OS X only program.

As for why that address doesn't work for you, I don't know, it works for me.

The realone page is at http://home.real.com

Johnnydollar

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I'm not overwhelmed by Real for OS X. For one thing, none of the on-screen buttons seem to work for me. Click on "I Agree" and nothing happens. You have to paste in an URL as noted above. So you can't switch the feeds by clicking on 1-4 either...again, paste in an URL. Finally, no matter how I get the thing playing, I'm only getting the low-bandwidth feed, with the smaller picture and muffled sound.

It's back to RealPlayer 8 for me!

yours truly, johhny dollar

Bastable

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Therlin, didn't you say that it was impossible for RealNetworks to program an independent OS X program without an accompanying OS 9 version? What happened--did they decide public pressure was too great and to issue what they could?

Therlin

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 03:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's not impossible but when I talked to my contacts at Real they made it sound as if they wanted to release a version that would work on both, OS 9 and OS X.

Me thinks that Apple has been pushing hard for OS X only versions of software and Real is going along.

At this point I'm glad they got SOMETHING out. It's beta 1, the bulk of the work is done, now it's time for bug fixes. I have a project at work that was on hold until Real would release the OS X player, so I can finally move on. You have no idea how hard it is to get any concrete info out of the people at Real.

Bastable

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 05:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Therlin, Ooooooo....but I do! (grrrrrrrr....) You know how much I don't respect the way that company operates...

Yeah, the in-window buttons don't work for me either, and I'm also in the bandwidth ghetto. I'm going to stick to RealPlayer8 till a patch comes out.

Thanks all! Good to know we have options now.

Sanfranjoshfan

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 07:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shhhh! This is a secret I just discovered....and I am probably really stupid for posting it here.

I have been usiing RealPlayer8 plus (registered version for MAC OS9x). I remember last year when I registered it and got the "plus" version, the screen was bigger and it had some brightness/contrast controls, etc...

So....I d/l the OSX version to try it. It works but not all that great. I, too had to cut & paste the urls to access the 4 different feeds (from the location field in Real8+ to the "Open location" box in the pulldaown menu of RealPlayerOSX). Also, the feed buttons in the OSX version do not work for me....after I cut & pasted the urls for all four feeds, Real for OSX remembers the most recent urls. The RealOSX video screen is about half the size and the feed is 80Kbps rather than the 200+kbps I get on the Real8+. (Last year when I had the regular8 and not the registered 8+, it was similar in quality)

Now here is the "secret"....I can run the OSX verison in OSX at the same time I can run the RealPlayer 8+ version in OS9 in Classic within OSX! I can get two different feeds AT THE SAME TIME! I can even hear the audio for each one simultaneously

Granted, the OSX one is smaller, crappier and a lot more cumbersome to use, but even so...while the OSX version is running, I still get the great screen from RealPlayer 8Plus!

I have a feeling this won't last. If not, I will definitely go back to 8+.

In the meantime....it's kinda cool!

Moondance

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Very cool Sanfran!

I love my Mac... just sayn'

Wink

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
xoxoxoxoxoxoxo Don't have a clue what you two are talking about but it sounds interesting.

Fuddyduddy

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 05:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, folks.....got the url Therlin posted to work correctly (had omitted the colon)

But.....which is the best way to get to Realone?
Do you get there by clicking on the icon in the Dock? I find that I have to keep typing in the urls....and I always seem to lose camera 3.

Understand that the beta version isn't that good, so don't expect a lot, but I would like something for my money!

I know it's mainly because I don't understand my new iMac that well (got the hang of the other iMac much better)

A dumb question: where can you store or save the urls for the different cameras so I don't have to continually retype them?

Thanks!!

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 08:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fuddy....in the OSX RealOne, as far as I can tell, there is not place to save favorites...BUT after you cut and paste in a url, RealOne "remembers' it as a most recently played clip. Look in the pulldown file menu at the top of the screen...you should see the last 4 or so urls you used in RealOne of OSX...

Just select a feed from that "recent" list. Of course, you must type in the url of each feed, one after another manually and actually visit the url (feed) in order for RealOne to "remember" it...

Hope this helps.

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 08:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One more point about this buggy OSX beta RealOne....it doesn't seem able to get feed 4 for me at all. If I cut and paste the url for feed 4 from RealPlayer 8 to RealOne....RealOne still just goes to feed 3. I can only get feeds 1, 2, and 3 in RealOne.

Freydnot

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 11:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"One more point about this buggy OSX beta RealOne....it doesn't seem able to get feed 4 for me at all. If I cut and paste the url for feed 4 from RealPlayer 8 to RealOne....RealOne still just goes to feed 3. I can only get feeds 1, 2, and 3 in RealOne. "

This is a bug at the real servers. I see it too using windows real player 8. There are a few other threads about it in the technical board.

Fuddyduddy

Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 07:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Sanfran....I just get so disgusted with this...have all these "ram2.rxml and ram.rxml " sitting on my desktop...can I just trash them?

I thought maybe there was a place you could save the urls in order to cut and paste. It does remember the last one visited, but then I have to type in the other two when I go back into Realone the next day.

Know I am not making much sense.......

And yes, I had noticed that feed 4 was impossible to get. It's the same as feed one, I believe.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 12:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fuddy - "Thanks, Sanfran....I just get so disgusted with this...have all these "ram2.rxml and ram.rxml " sitting on my desktop...can I just trash them?"

I dunno....I don't have that problem. Do you have to sign in at the real networks BB site each time? I think the FIRST time I signed in, it d/l some file, but I have cookies turned ON in both my browser and in RealPlayer and that apparently remembers that I have a BBfeed subscription.

A lot of this is just guessing for me...I really am no expert...I've just learned how to do a lot through trial and error...although I don't understand a lot of the "why".

Bastable

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have found that I can throw away all but the most recent ram.rxml file. Now and then, the computer forgets I'm a member, but I sign in and it downloads a new one, a number higher. Doesn't seem to follow much rhyme or reason, and afterward I don't need the previous one anymore.

Meggieprice

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 08:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm doing fine with BB on classic on my powerbook so is it worth it to download the X beta? I wont bother if you guys dont think it is!

So- sanfran-you're a mac man! we have even more than our quotes in common...

Sanfranjoshfan

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 08:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggieprice - I found that the Classic version and the OSX beta run at the same time....two video feeds, two audio feeds...on one screen at the same time.

The Classic version has a better picture but the OSX beta version loads a LOT faster and runs a lot smoother. The classic version gets a little (to a lot) jumpy after awhile. (I have G4/450 with 1GB of RAM running on a DSL line)

I'd recommend it....just to try, and if you have a DSL or cable modem, you can run both at the same time when things get exciting! :-)

Go MAC! Go OSX! :-)

Karuuna

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 08:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Help! I'm using Realplayer8Plus on my Mac, and accidentally deleted that little Ram download file, and never saved BB3 to my favorites. When I go to Real.com, to try to reload BB3, I can't find any BB3 links. Everytime I try to find "now playing" or such, it tells me I don't have RealONe and tries to force me to order it.

Sanfranjoshfan

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 11:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Karunna - did you get this fixed yet? I haven't checked this section since before your post.

I initially had the same problem you did, and now I don't remember what I did....but at some point I remember getting a dialog box saying that I needed some updated component for RealPlayer8plus and I clicked okay and it d/l-ed and installed and then real8+ worked.

I know I've read about some other people that had the same experience, but don't remember where exactly...maybe that came up as I was signing up to subscribe to BB3 for the $24.95 deal.

Sorry I wasn't any more help than this. :-(

Karuuna

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran, thanks for your help! All I needed was the URL location of the feeds to paste into my RP; and someone was kind enough to Email that to me. Now I'm back to yelling and screaming at my monitor as if the HG's could hear me. And to think I used to make fun of folks who watched football.

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Karuuna - "And to think I used to make fun of folks who watched football."

EXACTLY!!!!! When I mention BB or Survivor to a non-fan of the genre, they look at me like I'm crazy. I explain that for years I never could understand sports fans, watching the same tired games (baseball expecially boring) and getting so excited and involved.... Then, when "BB" and "Survivor" started and I finally GOT it!

Reality Games like "BB" and "Survivor" and "Amazing Race" and "Lost" are simply "sports of the REST of us'!

Btw, I'm glad you got the RP issue resolved....

Meggieprice

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 06:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey all- I finally down loaded the Beta Real One-now how do I get Big Brother? I don't see the URLs watching my basic...I am probably missing something obvious...

Cwoody222

Monday, August 05, 2002 - 08:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Click on the link on www.cbs.com/bigbrother

You won't be able to switch cameras using RealOne for OS X. Find the direct URLs for each four cams and place shortcuts in your Dock or something...that's what I do.

Meggieprice

Monday, August 05, 2002 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks! I finally realized theproblem was that I had my Real Basic open (getting greedy and ready to test what SanFran told me about being able to run both!) As soon as I quit the basic and clicked on my BB desktop icon it took me to the website and I got the four feeds downloaded to my desktop. So far I find it really smooth and even decent on expanded picture- but it slows my system way down- and I have lots of RAM on my t-book....

Thanks for the dock idea CWood! Thank you all for helping! MACs rule! We have four and are about to get the new imac with the 17" screen- for our business.

Fuddyduddy

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey fellow Mac users! Have finally got the feeds to stay in "memory" on my realplayer.

But still cannot get a separate feed 4. Has this been fixed by anyone else?

Also, saw a link to get quad cam, but when I typed it in, messes everything up. Is there a url for quad cam for Mac users?

And finally, do any of you have trouble with a screeching sound, then no audio? This happens to me all the time. My best and longest-lasting pics are of FOTH!!! (Not what I bargained for!)

Thanks for any and all input!

Bastable

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Same question. The new Mac OS X page on the CBS BB3 site has helped me vastly improve the Real One for OSX player... so much so that I can now abandon my 9.2 player! Hooray CBS!

But I still can't figure out how to access the Quad Cam with my Real One for Mac. Anyone?

Fuddyduddy

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 10:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bastable, only after calling tech support at Real did I learn that I needed to access the site through CBS.com!!!! He told me the urls I had typed in (from info on this board) were for the PC....I would get the picture with the buttons on the side.

All that has changed now.....But I told the tech person that NEVER had I seen any info regarding how to make things work for the Mac.

He said the "fix" for OS X had been made recently...ie..that we could get feed through CBS,com BB3 site.

Forgot to ask him about quad cam......

Also asked about screeching sound I get...he said it was in my sound card.....(do Macs have sound cards?)