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Dahli

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said and I agree completely What!...vindictive bitter and petty behaviour combined with that smooth smug superiority just creeps me out. I'm just so glad he didn't win and hopefully will not benefit in any way from this.

Bmh

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 04:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I cnat say for sure if he actually influenced the vote but he is manipulative and sneaky he could have

Cindyluvsroddy

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 05:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
what said --- "I would bet that what Danielle said about them is nice compared to what they say about each other to those who were not involved."

Are u kidding me?

Face the facts, Danielle lost because she was the one who got personal with all the HG's ..

Lisa biggest game skill during this show was her ability to "tone down" any trash talking of others when Dani was turning her trash talking way up!! .... yes, lisa was involved in some of those conversations ... but her game skills picked up on the fact that Dani's downfall was her mouth ... so she quietly adjusted to those variables ... and let Dani Talk her way out of $500,000 dollrs ....

She used that against Dani ...

And it paid off...

Get Over it, will ya!! lol

Countrymeadow

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 11:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Arrgghh.....it's been a month. Are y'all still talking about these people? Geez.....i enjoyed the show but when the show was over, it was over. Anything we chat about is pure speculation.

I just can't believe people are still talking about 12 people who don't know you're even alive. LOL

Shortnsweet

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 11:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If we want to continue talking about it and aren't hurting anyone, we have every right to continue.

Alegria

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 04:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
someone doesn't have to know of my existence to be interesting :)

<sniff> we have barely scratched the surface in our 'post game' analysis. <g>

I have wondered how easy it is for HGs to reintegrate back to their lives. For some, it seems to be totally different, they move and start new jobs. What would dealing with people's reactions be like 24/7?? I can understand why some would touch base with each other at Belly's, connecting with someone else who has also gone through it would be helpful.

I bet they miss the house :(

Cmore

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 04:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What555456 wrote:
"What scares me is that these people cannot only vote for the winner of Big Brother, but they can vote for our nation's leaders. But then, I guess that's how we get people like Dubya."

Nicely said, just goes to show you that the best person gets the most votes. Kind of makes you wonder how Lisa managed to pull off such a landslide victory and Egore found enough brain cells to make it close. Then again if Egore would have took the time to say Bush is the "devil" a couple of thousand times, a landslide for Bush would not have been out of reach. I guess Egore took the jury into account. :)

Scarlett

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 05:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What and Cmore


What is even funnier is that I guarantee all the "dumb" HG's are Democrats. Heck, I was watching a news program one day, and a democrat actually used this as their position on that voting fiasco in Florida...and I paraphrase because it has been a few years now "and our voters are not the most educated, so those who did not vote with the machines correctly were probably democrats". I about fell out of my chair, watching the man admit their party boasts the dumbest of the US.

I should also add that Roddy influenced at least two HG's as far as I can tell. Chiara and Josh. Both of them wanted to do anything that would please Roddy. The rest are questionable.

Joyful

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 03:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Scarlett? Are you saying democrats are stupid?
Surely not. :)

Risa

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 04:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Harry Truman and FDR were democrats, just thought I'd point that out.(lol). Cindy, you have convinced me. As much as I disliked Roddy, in the end I too believe Dani's big mouth did her in. My very final vote is no- Roddy did not sway the vote. But he probably has done lots of other creepy stuff.

Twinkie

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 04:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
CountryMeadow, we all know why we came to this thread. To talk about the show. Why did you come to this thread?

Scarlett

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 07:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No Joyful. I noticed that some seem to call into light that idiots had to elected George Dubya Bush. All I was pointing out is that if you take both parties as a whole, Republicans have always had a more educated group. So I do not understand why people would imply that idiots had to elect ole George.

Joyful

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 07:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Scarlett :) thanks, Honestly doubt many of the houseguests are registered voters. They are too busy partying and getting out of DUI tickets.

Battlestar

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 07:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
---if Roddy is so influential (as so many believe him to be)--and Danielle is so smart (as many believe her to be)

THEN----it's just too darn bad that she wasn't able to use the RODDY influence to her advantage rather then to her disadvantage. It cou

Tough break--too bad--soo sad

Reeniehere

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 08:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Scarlett,

I think if you did a little research into history and sociology, you'd find that intellectuals tend more often to be liberal and drawn to the Democratic party to align with the working class. It is corporate business types, inherited wealth, and fundamental right-wing Christians who are more often drawn to the Republican party--some of whom are well educated, and some of whom aren't. Just because Daddy has the bucks to make sure junior can get into a good college doesn't mean junior is intellectually superior to a middle or lower class person who has had to work for everything they achieve and deal with the real world, or a liberal university professor whose studies and intellect have led them to support the working class.

Bastable

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 09:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Scarlett, besides what Reeniehere said (which is true), Dubya wasn't actually popularly elected. He was selected by the Supreme Court.

And Countrymeadow, you said you can't believe we're still discussing this. It's a BB fan site! What else would we be talking about? Besides... if you really think that, what the heck are you checking out these pages for? Just to make fun of us? Give me a break.

What's with all the cheap shots? Democrats are uneducated? Anyone who posts on this board is deluded? HELLO? Where'd all this come from? Let's get back to the real topic: All the ways that Roddy influenced the vote to rob Danielle's children of their college fund.

Cmore

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 09:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Scarlett, I agree with you 100%. My comments to what555456 were intended to be a sarcastic response for him implying that idiots elected Bush.

Reeniehere wrote:" It is corporate business types, inherited wealth, and fundamental right-wing Christians who are more often drawn to the Republican party"

Nothing could be farther from reality than that statement. Its what democrats would like us to believe. I am none of the above, nor are most of the republican people I know. There are a lot of common people who are just sick and tired of tax,tax,tax and "big government" which is at the heart of the democratic party.

Reeniehere

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To get back to the topic of Roddy's influence--and my memory may be faulty here--it seems like another clue of Roddy's hand in the 9-1 vote is that he presided over the first unanimous (and purposely humiliating) vote--back when most of the guests where still in the house--Amy's eviction. (I know he blamed that on Chaira, but blaming others was his modus operandi and he's the one who delivered the speech about how she deserved to be evicted because she was so flawed.)

And to say it was demeaning to the houseguests to suggest they were influenced by Roddy is wrong in my opinion.

There are a number of reasons people can be influenced by manipulative personalities. Sometimes it's because they aren't as bright, or are they insecure or needy, but just as often it's because they are young and naive, or have had a sheltered life, or are just too decent and honest to even conceive of the sort of personality who continually talks about how good and kind they are, yet causes the mental anguish that Roddy so often did.

As far as saying that if Roddy were so powerful he would have won the game, I think there are some people very vulnerable to being influenced--such as being brainwashed into joining a cult--some who might be influenced under certain stressful circumstances, and some who wouldn't be vulnerable under any circumstances. I don't think it's a coincidence that Danielle, Jason--he once used the word "dangerous" about Roddy--and to a lesser degree Lisa, were most aware of his manipulative, exploitive pwers and were also the last ones standing.

Crossfire

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 10:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hehehe, they got robbed of a bigger home, not a college fund. Let hope they give their mommy heck for being a meanie thus turning the vote against her. I am sure if they need help getting books or materials, Lisa would be more than happy to help out....if they asked nicely.

Billhere

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cmore wrote:
Nicely said, just goes to show you that the best person gets the most votes. Kind of makes you wonder how Lisa managed to pull off such a landslide victory and Egore found enough brain cells to make it close. Then again if Egore would have took the time to say Bush is the "devil" a couple of thousand times, a landslide for Bush would not have been out of reach. I guess Egore took the jury into account.

Gore got the most votes nationally. Are you saying he was the best person?

Back to BB3. IMHO Roddy may have influenced Josh but he was not the cause of Dani's losing.
So, count me as a "no" for Roddy influencing the ultimate outcome.

Zachsmom

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 10:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"There are a lot of common people who are just sick and tired of tax,tax,tax


a lot of our Taxes go for corporate welfare..those who recieve corporate welfare are mostly Republicans..if Republicans want less taxes..give up their welfare!!!

Reeniehere

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 10:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cmore,
You are right. I misspoke. There are a lot of common (and good--my mother, for instance) people drawn to the Republican party. But, it is corporate business types, inherited wealth, and fundamental right-wing Christians who "control" the party. And it is still a fact that "intellectuals" (meaning better educated because they love education, rather than their fathers were rich enough to buy them one) are more likely to be liberal and Democratic than Republican.

Shortnsweet

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 11:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's great that you all have political opinions, and I think it is wonderful that you can express yourselves freely, but this is Big Brother 3!

More BB3 dirt please!

Scarlett

Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 06:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Reenie

We can move this discussion to another place. It is an interesting topic. I just researched the parties using hotbot and google. Just type in Republican Democrat and demographics. Every one I saw had Republicans much higher in college degrees.
I am not sure one can make a value judgement that learning for the sake of learning makes one smarter than those learning to achieve a goal. I also note that calling oneself an intellectual is not generally what business owners and entrepeneurs do. Even though they are extremely visionary and put plans into action, they tend to hold the theoretical in disdain. Those people are virtually 100 percent Republican.

How are we "defining" intellectual? My friends all call me that term. Does that mean I am one because they call me that? Does it mean I am one because I enjoy learning for the sake of learning? Does it mean I am not one because while I enjoy learning for the sake of learning, I understand there are far more brighter, pragmatic people out there who are more goal oriented than I am and focus there energies to accomplising something with their knowledge? Does it mean I am not an intellectual because I am not a Democrat? Please define the perimeters that makes one an intellectual versus a very bright person.
I simply added my input because I noticed a tendancy of some on this group to put down persons who would vote for George Dubya, when statistically, those who did would constitute the brightest of the voters. No more, no less. Next time you want to put down an entire group of people as intellectually deficient, perhaps you should look around at the group you are standing with first.
<-----off my soapbox

Joyful

Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 11:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
borrowing Scarletts soapbox for one moment, then back to the topic I promise. There are exceptions to every rule. I am a Democrat that doesn't believe in abortion and I am fairly conservative. I think all here can agree that an education doesn't make one more intelligent. Intelligence is an inborn gift that one uses in many different ways. I wouldn't think that because Republicans are generally more educated in Universities would mean that as a whole they are a more intelligent group. Nor would I think that all Democrats are liberals who can't read ballots correctly. These are generalizations that most of us don't like. I guess what I am saying is this. Don't associate me with anothers statements. I didn't vote for George Jr. but I'm not displeased with his record. I do wish he would end PBA like he promised tho. That would make this conservative Democrat very happy.