July 19, 2002 - Day 14 - Food Competition - Josh & Tonya Nom.
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Cyn

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 10:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
jo - mentions that it’s his baby’s birthday . he’s a bad dad.
ta - one of those days they’ll have the disclosed veto
ro - the veto is the thing tomorrow. / Out of 30,000 they spent $3,000
(many hgs at once. They better give us a vacation, a mini van.)
jo - M asked me to vote him out two days before the veto. i went to mar and said do you understand.
am – no
ro - is aid to him, "mar you have to know that I love you. if you’re not comfortable, we’ll vote you out. but, in the beginning he looked me in the face and said he wanted to go, but before jerry did that stuff. jo was do this and do that let’s go a couple of weeks and protect ea other. Before je f----d us off. I tell someone that we’re going to keep him no matter how much he screws up.
am – it was hard.
ro -But, you never had to face up to that. I loose the game the way that I planned on playing. I could have some close calls ./…IF IT.. missed it (sorry)
je – I was just wonder what you were doing
ro – just checking out the moon

Cyn

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 10:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ch – ...like not really like me. I knew that I probably scared you, but I knew all along that you liked me. I knew I was probably someone that you never had seen before.
Ja – absolutely not. never met anybody like you. i ...
(amy and roddy making antics off screen)
ja – i’m making you uncomfortable, aren’t i?
Ch – you wish. if you made out w/ me. here, try to make out with me. here, kiss me.
Ja- let’s save that for wk 4 or 5.
Ch – ok.
Ja- i like that i made you uncomfortable. let's go over there.
(they get up and go stand by amy and roddy on a lounge.)
ch does some 'ole miss cheer. and asks a if she was a cheerleader. a says" i was a baton twirler." amy gets up and proceeds to demonstrate the 'ole miss cheer.

Max

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 10:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy and Jason "take a walk" to talk about strategy. They're in one of the bedrooms by themselves.

Roddy says Chiara is the person he's closest to. Idle chat about that.

Roddy says he really wants to hang out and chat with Jason 'cause he hasn't done that. Jason says "yeah".

Roddy: Talks about the night Jason said grace before dinner and how he's a cynic about people, but that night gave him hope that there are good people left in the world. Says he really is genuine and means that. Hpe is something that's not celebrated. People don't care about how important it is to be a good person and stick by what's important.

Jason: And that it's beyond me.

Roddy: Literally. I'd say you deserve credit for that because everyone has access to that, but you take it.

Jason: thanks, that's a high compliment.

Roddy: just seems like people love to hurt people and when someone screws up everyone jumps on the band wagon. Seems like you've taken a path in life that's so admirable. Talks about how Jason has taken 100% responsibility for his life (equating thatto how Jason has managed to remain a virgin). Says he's spent a lot of time alone in the last year and a half that part of him has almost mourned people because he's seen so much sad stuff and peoplehurting each other to get ahead. <ed: I don't buy this sincerity bit, but maybe that's me> Talks more about how he's cynical.

Interrupted by someone coming in, but cam stays on Roddy. Oh, it's Josh. Roddy gives a bit of a recap. Talks about how there's no such thing as a "typical" jew or Rembrandt or Michael Jordan.

Roddy goes on more about how he's impresed with Jason.

Jason: Says being here feels so disconnected from the rest of the world and hopes he brings something amazing (whatever that would be) to the house. Every person in thehouse has done something to influence him.

Josh: The fact that Jason and hehave a relationship at all shows how much influence Jason has on him. He looks forward to interacting with Jason and that says a lot about who Jason is. Especially when they were in the hot tub. "Part of a life-changing night for me." Then starts talking about how Gerry has brought out such a bad part of things for him. No one can stand in his shoes because they don't face what it is to be a Jewish person, not even Marcellus and Danielle. Dealing with people being like that behind your back. Talks about comments like "Jewing down" on pricing. Inbred stereotypes. He's kicked people out of his car pool for calling him a Jew even though he never asked them for a penny. Says what Gerry did made him stop playing the game because he took it so personally. As a Jew, you have to stand up so much more for things. <ed: blah, blah, blah, same Gerry gripes we've been hearing over and over again.> Says he feels happy with Jason and Roddy.

Roddy says the vibration is good. Worse case scenario, Josh gets booted. How does he feel about it?

Josh says he has to admit it's been great, basically. The one thing that will effect him really and truly is that Gerry will be there longer than him. He will have major issues with that and will need to take getting over that as his next task. He didn't come in thinking hewould ever win,but he would feel horrible being knocked out in the 2nd week due to circumstances that have to do with Gerry. Gerry is the true root of Josh being on the block. He feels he's put himself "out there" to alleviate other's fears, Jason is one of those. He thinks Gerry has worked and worked on Jason about his being a virgin, etc.

Jason says all he's really done is play a few hands of cards with Gerry and not really had conversations. Says some of the things he's heard have gone in one ear and out the other.

Josh is worried about Jason's vote. (I think Roddy left) Jason says he's not thought about how he'll vote yet 'cause there's still more to come with the veto.

Jason wants to know what Josh's thoughts are about it. Chiara comes in. Jason says it's boys only and Chiara says she just needs a pair of pants. Gets them and leaves.

Josh says again that he won't campaign against Tanya. Tanya has gotten from Marcellus that if Josh got vetoed out, Gerry would take his place. Jason is surprised by that.

Roddy returns.

Josh says if he had to say where he thought he stood, he would think that Roddy, Eric, and maybe Jason would vote to not evict Josh. Jason says he doesn't know. Marcellus was smart to put the two of them up. Josh tells Roddy that Tanya got from Marcellus that if Josh was vetoed out,Gerry would be put in (Roddy wasn't there when he said it before).

Jason says the power of veto changed every single thing in the house. Josh and Roddy agree. Jason says anything could change. What if it were Josh vetoed out and it wasn't Gerry, but any other person against Tonya? Says he hasn't even thought it through because he doesn't know what will happen. Says he'll let Josh know one way or the other before it all goes down 'cause Josh has done the same for him. But he doesn't know. Says it's anyone's game right now.

Chiara comes back again.
<posting>

Kuchi

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 10:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara told Tonya earlier that they (the 6) need to work on getting Jason on their side as they would be losing one next thursday (prob Josh).

NOW on cam 4:Roddy told Jason he wanted to talk to him and they walked into the HDR leaving Amy and Chiara outside on the bball court.

Roddy first compliments Jason big time. Saying that "I will talk about you for the rest of my life" just now. Telling him that the first time he prayed at the table Roddy almost cried. Jason just saying thank you. ROddy said apart from the game I just want to spend an evening talking to you at the beginning of the conversation.

Josh entered and Roddy said are you alright. He said yah. Roddy saying they were talking about the first night Jason prayed at the table.

Jason wants to bring something amazing to the house whatever it might be. Josh now complimenting Jason. (Laying it on thick if you ask me) Josh says the night these three were in the hot tub was an incredible moment in his life!

Now Josh talking about being Jewish. Saying Marc and Danielle will not face the stuff he faces. Talking about being called a Jew as in stingy. Upset with Gerry's speech (dont know which one). Josh: "as a jew you have to stand up to things"
Again saying Gerry walked away from him when he tried to talk to him. Josh said he is clearly bitter and angry about Gerry and that is his personality. Saying he is glad to have met these two men. Jason says he believes his sincerity.

Roddy: what are your feelings about having been here.
Josh: really truly affect me that Gerry will be here longer than me (sounds like the Mike speech about Kent being in longer than him) Would feel horrible to be knocked out in 2nd week and blames Gerry for it. (while josh speaking they showed chiara and amy doing cheers on bball court).

Jason: Gerry not communicating with jason they are just playing cards. no communication usually. Jason said Gerrys comment about being avirgin went in one ear and out the other.
Josh saying to jason i am worried about your vote and jason said things can change with the veto.
Chiara walks in to change her pants. Jason says those are great pants if you ask me. CHiara leaves. Roddy leaves for the bathroom.

Josh says that Tonya told him that Marc told her that if Josh is vetoed out Gerry will be up on the block. ( I believe he is lying--I havent read this in the lf) He repeats the abvoe to Roddy who has returned. Jason keeps telling Josh that he does not know how he will vote upon Josh asking him again and again.

Jason: I am very torn to think it through. I will let you know JOsh before it goes down which way i will go as he feels josh has had the same common courtesy with HIm.

reboot

Dale3forever

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
R, Jo, Ja in bedroom talking

Jo is trying to convince them that Tonya told him Marcellas said if Josh is vetoed, then Gerry goes up on the block.

(this is not so, M said if a veto, then another member of alliance will be put up)

Jasone explains he doesnt know about his vote and will not think about it until after veto, but he would for sure go to Josh and tell him, because Josh has treated him with the same curtesy

C and A ust came in the room, they are practicing the Ole Miss cheer and will preform it for the guys later.

Now they left (c, A)

Jason- I'd really hope that G was on the block, that would have kept things moving along nice, and back to on track
R depends on tomorrow
Jason- is tomorrow the veto
Josh is now telling them that it has to be Josh that is vetoed out he will put up Gerry, but if it is Tonya who is vetoed, it will not be Gerry put up. josh days this is the gist of what he got from Tonya (ed: lies!!!)

Jo- I've either gotta take my chances with the vote or hope I'm vetoed out and that puts Gerry on the block. Clearly he wants Gerry out, but he feels more lyalty to Gerry than he does to me.

D just came in.

posting

Chance

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 10:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am (pp) this as no one is covering it(it seems)
Roddy Jason and Gerry in bedroom.
Josh is going on about how he suffers such prejudice as a Jewish guy. He says that he's not saying he suffers more than danelle and Marcellas but then in the next breath he says he does suffer more. That people ride in his car and he never asks for money but they call him a jew or say people are jewing him down etc.
Josh is now saying that Marsellas told Tanya that if someone gets vetoed out that M will put Gerry up. ??????(I can't believe this)
Josh says he has been there for Jason and really cares about him. Josh says that Gerry really hurt Joshs heart and for that he deserves to be put up on the block. Jason won't commit himself to who he'll vote for but says he will tell Josh one way or the other. Jason is acting as tho he is not fond of Gerry and would have voted him out if he were up.
POSTING (before I am ill...sorry)

Kuchi

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 10:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason said that he thought it would be Gerry and then that would be easy.

Josh: take my chances with the vote or hope to be vetoed out and marc puts up gerry. marc wants us both out. Gerry deserves to be on the block.

Danielle walks in without knocking and the boys rib her. Danielle says eric farted, tonya fell asleep, someone playing with the sand/ they are laughing. gerry woke up and sat down. chic and amy are cheering. they change cam to chiara and amy for a few seconds.

Now tonya comes in the room and gets under the blankets on her side of the bed she shares with chiara. she is cold.

Max

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 10:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<refreshed feed - same convo>

Talking about tomorrow being veto competition. Josh says he's not really involved in that. Reiterates AGAIN that Marcellus would put Gerry in. Says that if Marcellus puts Gerry and Josh up, Gerry would be out. Says that Marcellus is thinking if he can't get Josh out, he'll get Gerry out. Says Marcellus knows flat out that if Tanya isn't nominated, she will vote to keep Josh in the house. Says it doesn't benefit him to win the veto power. Has to either take his chance with the vote or hope he gets vetoed out and Gerry gets "on the box."

Says he told Marcellus that he expected he would be put up, but if he really looked into his heart, he would know that Gerry needs to be on the block. Marcellus didn't see it that way.

Danielle comes in. Asks if they are having a "Greek moment."

She says she was playing with the sand and Eric farted a couple of times. They make jokes about that being a journal entry in a ship's journal. "Eric farted. Hope to see land."

ROddy says this is one day the house is DYING forthe jacuzzi. Now Tanya comes in. The one night everyone is stressed and the hot tub is out. Talk about how the blowers cool the water down faster.

Thanks to Amy for making brownies. The Peanut Butter and Brownie Crew. One healthy diet! Roddy says they might as well just drink bacon fat.

Tanya says tomorrow she's going to wake up and have coffee (no cream),dry piece of toast...

<posting since they are just having idle chat now>

Aremid

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 10:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh and Jason are talking.
Tonya has told Josh that if someone vetos he Mar would put Gerry up. He thinks if he can't get Josh out he will get Gerry out
He knows flat out if Tonya isn't nominated, she is going to keep me in the house, and I'll do the same for her.
It isn't going to do me any good to get it (the veto)
Josh- said he told Mar he expected him to put him out, but if he really looks in his heart, that Gerry deserves to be put on the block
(Josh and Jason keep getting interupted)
Danielle came in this time, (they told one of the girls while ago it was guys only,but they didn't say this to her)
Tonya comes in
They talk about the temperature

Kuchi

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 11:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cam3: lisa and eric finally on camera. they are laying in bed together discussing the noms.
Eric said he will vote for Josh to stay and then he said CHiara, roddy, lisa and himself will vote for josh to stay. Lisa did not agree or disagree.
Eric and Lisa say that the others will put up eric and lisa or roddy and chiara just like they put up josh and tonya. they are putting up the duos. They realise that Jason could be the swing vote in this round. Eric does not want to get veto as he will be targeted the next round.

Eric and Lisa saying maybe they should not sleep next to each other every night. Says people think its cute and expected though.

Now talking about Gerry being left out. Eric thinks Gerry next to go after this round. Thinks Gerry feels threatened as he is not paired up with anybody. Only here because of Marc. Lisa feels Marc felt an obligation this week to keep Gerry.

Gerry came in to go to bed. Gerry says everyone chatting outside.

Karuuna

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 11:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
late night convo between Eric & Lisa about Josh' nomination.

Eric talks to Lisa about not "crowding" each other. They ahve a friend in each other, but maybe they shouldn't sleep in the same bed every night, it weakens their position in the game.

Eric is sure Gerry is the next to go. He's not paired up with anyone. Amy is advocating against Marc. It's jsut a matter of time before Gerry goes. Marc will get fed up with Gerry, but feels an obligation to not put him up yet.

Gerry comes in, and Eric asks when the veto challenge is. G replies it will be tomorrow morning.

Eric to Lisa - you do have to mentally prepared for this game. You have to be tough. <yawning>

Kuchi

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 11:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cams 1 and 2 are on full view of backyard.
cam 4: you can see Gerry and the bed next to him
Cam 3: was Lisa and Eric in bed talking about david letterman now cam 3 switched to hoh room after going to foth 2x.

Cam 3: Dan and Marc talking about Josh and Gerry.

Marc: intellectually it was big on marc for Josh to come to marc and lay it all on the line. Marc wants his noms to stand...foth....Marc thinks Tonya may go now instead of Josh as he thinks now that more may be aligned with Josh.

Eric I guess told Danielle that TOnya expects things from everyone. SOunds like Eric was putting Tonya down.

Dan saying LIsa may be more endearing to them than they think and does not think that marc will be put up by lisa again. Dan seeing Roddy going to the end. herself to week 5. marc: the only way jason will go to the end is if he nominated otherwise he will make it to the end. Roddy too smart for his own good according to Marc. Eric playing it low, under the wire. Marc said he would not have a problem if roddy or eric won this thing. He would if jason did as it would be too easy for jason.

Josh interrupts.

Karuuna

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 11:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani & Marc -

Josh wanted to get the most negative person out. Well, who's the most negative person now?

M - Josh came to me and made his plea. He said what he wanted to say.

D - I told him to. Even tho you may not believe him, at least you say what you need to. Tell Gerry how you feel, whatever. Don't talk to me about it.

M says it was big of Josh to come to him, and it showed balls. I appreciate that. And it wasn't lost on me, but, I told him, ultimately, it was about the people that couuld beat you. And I had to get rid of someone I could not trust, someone who was a wild card, and someone who sseems to be popular and under the wire - that was Tonya. I want my nom to stand.

FOTH

M - I thought people would be more aligned with Tonya, and that threw a monkey wrench in my plans.

They talk about something Tonya did that showed her true colors.

D - talks about Eric saying that Tonya doesn't do anything, doesn't help, isn't appreciative of what others say. Roddy thinks that too.

M - I could not put Lisa up.

D - I think you got Lisa more than you think you do. This is why. she came to me, she wanted to know why she shouldn't put Gerry against Lori. I think she might be more endearing than you expect her to be. Not that you should trust her. I don't think she would put you up again. I don't think so.

M - I'm just running by as many mixes as I can. I won't make it to the end game, the final 2 or 3.

D - If I can make it to week 5, that's pretty good. I see Roddy going to the end.

M - the only way Jason willgo to the end, if he never gets nominated. everyone is just waiting for someone to have the balls to do it. once he's up, he's gone. And Roddy's little show he put on with the water today - dont' eat the food, it weighs more. That MFer is too smart for his own good. he has the brains to win this.

And eric is playing udner the wire. Eveyrone's hero and champion, not making alliances. And I wouldn't have a problem with roddy or eric walks away with it. I woudln't have a problem if Jason won. That Chiara thing would drive me up the wall.

I don't sleep with men because I wanna be a woman, I sleep with men because i wanna be a man.

Convo interrupted by knock on door.

Kuchi

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 11:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh came in and is talking about noms: is fine now but was angry about Marc not getting his name right. calling him jason instead of jos

Josh seems to be getting emotional--i thought he was going to cry. now swearing alot and saying stuff about Gerry and him not letting Josh talk to him. Now he is talking about discrimination again and facing it for 23 years. Josh says hurt that Gerry has Marc's ear.

Danielle and Marc are just listening.

Josh agrees he was disruptive in the house. Takes responsibility for what he does. He is hurt for the reason he was nominated.

Karuuna

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 11:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh comes in to speak to M.

He says he's insulted that M got his name wrong.

M laughs and says he's really sorry about that. But if you ever win HOH, you'll see that you get inundated by so many things.

J says that's not why you got my name wrong, and M jumps in and says I apologized.

J says I think you got things wrong that I'm disruptive in the house. I did stop playing the game, and trying to stay in the game. I feel more ... self -pride than to give in to what Jerry is doing. And I tried to talk to that mfer when no one else was around, and he just got up and walked away from me. I felt the only way to deal with him was to be an a**hole, and force him to deal with it. And I've been discrimianted against for 28 years. I don't take it. I take it so much more personal than an effing game. I knew you were hoh, and he does have your ear, that mfer. That angered me. Not that you should take a stand. I felt even more so that I should. And show who he is. But yeah, I was disruptive. I've accpeted respon. for what I've done when I'm confronted.

I dont' know that should have been sued against me. It does hurt me to think that. If Gerry was man enough to be a man, if he had a backbone, and I know he's lied to my face and other people. You don'tknow who's getting played. I"m basing it on what I know. He ahs liked to my face. I don't believe him any more.

When other people have a problem,they come to me. Like whenLisa had a problem she came to me.

Dani agrees that's the way problems should be dealt with.

J agrees, that's why we'll be okay with each otehr when we get out of here. J talks about the deal with AMy earlier, and says I will deal with her directly.

J says he has no hard feelings against M, he did what he had to do. I know you want me out.

M laughs nervously. It's true, but listen. Because of the veto, and when you break things down, and because of hte alliances, I go into the diary room, I'm saying this is a nest of vipers, you can't trust anyone. My first instinct is to trust eveyrone. I'm not playing the game well because of that. When you came in today, and yousaid what yousaid. It changed my view of you and the game, and it made me think am I doing this for the right reasons? Am I being vindictive? Can I trust him?

And then what I said to you before still stands. Gerry is not fooling me. His day of reckoning will come in this house and outisde of this house.

J - I know that for a fact. That man has to go out and live his life. He can only be in ehre for so long. It can't be that long as it is. In my heart, I feel like he's going home to an empty house.

M - iwth the power of veto, I can do only what I can do in that moment, what I think is right. There's a chance you can come out of this and survive.

D - anything can happen josh.

J - If i do come out of this, I'm not coming after you. If I make it out, and I am HOH, I can nominate you or not, but I"m not coming... I can say this now because you have already nominated me. I did make you the one promise I can make you. If I do get vetoed, what I said to you will stand true.

M - I will say to you in front of Danielle. I will not do anythign past what I did already to try and sway any votes. I was the complete underdog and the power of veto saved me. Tonya does not have a cakewalk. If someone is working some agenda against ehr, she could very easily. Lori waas supposed to be the safe bet, and she's out.

D - you came to me and I told you I don't know whatI am going to do.

J - and I did take that back. I'msorry, I'm emotional person. I knew your name would be said, so I didn't have to say it.

D - we know you put Marc's name out there. and someone grabbed it and ran with it.

J - and the person who ran with it, is now benefitting from it.

M - and we see it.

D - I see it too, it's just a matter of time.

J - I never thought that anything that couuld happen in this game would effect me and I would take it home. But that may effect me. And it's arleady done.

D - your emotions are upfront. we know what we see is what we get with you. you've been straightfoward.

J - I've never tried to be anything but me. I never thought I was gonna win this game. I kept saying, six weeks max. I am somewhat shocked Im' in this position. You were too, largely because of me. What really kills me is that he did get udner my skin enough to make me stop playing the game. That speech. If the vote comes down, I am gone, between me and Tonya. I am also trying to get vetoed.

everyone laughs.

M - even if the veto stands, it's not guaranteed. We learned that from Amy. I'm not saying come out against tonya and campaign against her.

J - it's not worth it to me to campaign against her.

D - expect the unexpected.

J - even since you nominated me, I am a fighter, I'm goign to do what I have to do. When the dust settles, I'm going right after the effing nazi.

D - if he's on the block, he's on the block.

J - you know from the beginning, I can empathize with you more than anyone else inthe hosue.

M - I said it to you from the beginning, I thought I was nominated. If there were two people putting it out there from the first night, it was you and me. Followed closely by Amy. Trying not to go under the wire. We play the game up here, not down here. We were playing it crazy.

J - you stopped playing for a while, and I got so wrapped up in him, and I stopped playing.

M - that was the thing that did it for me. You cannot like Lori, just get out of here. Lori became this wounded animal.

J - yeah, me and Roddy were thinking about changing our vote, before the veto. Because of Lori.

posting

Cyn

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 11:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
(josh’s talk to/with dan and mar in hrd.) this is taking place somewhere in the middle of the above post.
----had more, but, lost it with computer goof up. Oops.------
Josh - you know how I fu--in feel about that man. The reasons that I was willing to… and, I told everyone since Monday, actually since Tuesday., since I found out what he said behind closed doors. I did stop playing the game. I definitely, definetly stopped playing the game on trying to stay in the game. I feel more. Just, agh.. you know what, I feel just more self pride to give in to what jerry's doin.and the fact that I’ve tried many times to talk to that mf'er as a man to man with noone around and he’d get up and fu—in walk away. Or go up w/ some bs comment or go and try to pull someone else out into the conversation, so that he wouldn’t have to face a man to man talk. About the only way I could go about it is to be a total fu—in a.h. and try to force him into being a man. And say that I never had done those things.. I was completely over the top. I don’t say i was out of line considering what I’m defending. My personal pride, and, ah, you know a lot of it is – is 28 yrs of discrimination that’s been thrown in my face that I don’t have to take it. Like, I know, that you don’t take it?
Dan – no.
Jo- The way that you wouldn’t take it. But, I take it so much more personally than ajust a fu—in game.

Kuchi

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 11:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marc told josh and danielle that if josh is vetoed of the block he marc will not put up Gerry in anyway. he wont say who he will put up but it will not be gerry.