L.A. Times Interviews Lisa and Danielle.
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Oregonfire

Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 05:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Myriads, if I'm ever looking for an armchair shrink while visiting New York, I'm all yours. A very insightful post.

Sia

Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 06:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregon, you make an interesting point: I, too, hope that no one holds onto bad feelings after this season's BB. I don't know which side of your line I fall, however; after Jason was so ignominiously booted, I was completely ambivalent about BOTH Danielle and Lisa. I didn't think either of them "deserved" the $500K.

Rosa, I found Dani's hunkering by the wall in the hallway positively freaky! It was like she was expecting to be physically attacked by the returning hamsters or something. I cannot explain her behaviour at all!

Cindyluvsroddy

Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 06:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
****** white flag *********

its over, Lisa won ...

We can debate until the cows come home .... both sides of pro-dani and anti-dani camps have equally made comments about the other camp ...

i'm as guilty as any poster ...

we can disect on who said what and when ...

kinda catty, eh?

congratulations Lisa!

Seamonkey

Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dunno about next season, but i can tell you Nicole fans have gone thru a second year of bashing, so far.. Maybe next time we can stick pretty much to the actual season.. or not.

<fade to black>

Rosa

Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow Myriads, I hereby dubb you resident shrink of this board. You put everything in perspective for me.Sia, I also agree with you. Dani's behavior at that door was freaky. Myriads, I hope you are here next year for 1st impressions of bb4 hg's. Again, thank you for your amazing insight.

Myriads

Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 08:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rosa, and Oregonfire, thank you for your kind words, this pair of posts were my first 'serious' ones to the forum, and it's nice to have a warm welcome. I wish I was able to be active earlier while the show was still on, but better late then never. :-)

Why has the Dani/anti-Dani split has been so bad this year? Of course I have thoughts :-)

I think that it comes down to the very basic way that Dani played the game.

Her supporters respect her for playing a solid game in the house. It's hard to dispute that her place in the final two was a direct result of her own efforts. She did that all on her own. Add in her high degree of loyalty to Jason, and her dedication to her family, and you have some compelling reasons to like the woman.

Her detractors dislike her for same basic reason, her play style, only the coins other side. They found her play to be the 'negative' side of reality games, and often point to it as a reference to her overall character. To them she made it to the finals for all the wrong reasons. Using morality as a measure to game play, one can't dispute she manipulated and played some aspects 'dirty'.

So we have the same actions taken by one HG being interpreted in two totaly differently ways by the two groups. They each saw the same things but gave different weights to the actions.

Not in any BB before has one HG been seen by so many in two such solidly distinct ways.

And thats what I think fuels this conflict.

Hopefully without new Dani info it will fade, new HG's next year will fuel new fun.

Myriads
"Our deed know our fashion."

Monalisa

Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 09:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cmore posts: The jury had the right to vote ANY way they chose for ANY reason and the people who attack them and call them hypocrites are only being hypocritical themselves of a fair and just voting system, simply because the vote didn't go their way.


Cmore, I am one who calls them hypocrites if they based their vote on what most here say they did.... trash talking. (Although I have been thinking of another reason for their votes which would not make them hypocrites.) I would like to know how I am being hypocritical.

If the ehg's voted against a person based on a certain behavior which they also took part in.....then yes, that makes them hypocrites. They are trying to display a virtue which they do not have.

Now, how does that make me hypocritical?

Trulyscrumtious

Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 10:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

Quote:

Originally posted by Myriads:
(which Lisa suffered to until Eric was brought into the DR mike to calm her the night before...



Ummmmm...Eric was brought into the DR room to speak with Lisa the night before?????

Myriads

Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 11:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I based this statement on my memory that it was noted somewhere on the feed transcripts that Lisa said that they had gotten eric to say somthing to calm her... or that she and Dani spoke about it in generalities that strongly implied this.

Perhaps I'm totaly wrong, but I sure picked up the impression someplace in the last three days of transcripts.

My impression was that Eric, or someone who could relay information from Eric to Lisa was brought in to talk to her (the psychologist on hand?), and able to speak to Lisa's worries that related to Eric and hers relationship, and help settle the root of her deep upsetness. Some form of contact that didn't contaminate the game, but allowed for Lisa to escape the sadness that was pounding on her. Not unlike the contact that was allowed to Nichole from her husband when she was loosing it last year after the hottub incident with Will.

My wording in the quote in the above post is too specific. It makes a big assumption based on what was probably only my interpretation of what happened. I should have said somethign like the above paragraph.

Myriads
"Our deeds know our fashion"

Monalisa

Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 11:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Myriads, that was probably the AC chat she won. She spoke with Eric on that.

Myriads

Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 11:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mona,

You may be right, but my memory about the event comes from the Lisa/Dani talks in the closing days once they were alone in the house. Perhaps I misinterpreted a comment that Lisa made about Eric and the internet chat from that period. When I have time tomorrow night I'll go transcript spelunking and see if I can find where I read it.

Rosa, Thank you for the kind words above (I meant to say so in my last post, my bad) and I do plan to be about here for next years show. But I'm not sure if my first impressions will be all that useful. The Lisa/Dani stuff I'm talking about here is based on months of feed and TV observation, and is also of a time when we are able to get a lot of info about only two houseguests. Those last few days provide the clearest pictures we ever get of HG's and most of my opinions were formed there, it's one reason I like the final days so much. When there are more in the house it's so hard to get solid impressions because the screen/feed time is so choppy as it's divided so many ways. We'll see what happens :-)

Myriads

Rosa

Monday, September 30, 2002 - 12:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Myriad, those last few days were a wake up call and more than startling behavior, at least from my arm chair viewing. I however do think first impressions can be valuable as I changed views of a lot of hg's throughout the game but ended up with my first impressions being the truest for me in the end. Sometimes I find little warning signs people give off in the beginning are very telling later but that is just my opinion. I hope we see a lot of you next year Myriad.

Llkoolaid

Monday, September 30, 2002 - 07:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a comment about the topic, the interviews, I always liked Lisa, but she slipped in my opinion, with the "happy a good person won" comment. Someone should tell her that although it is important to be a good sport when you lose it is even more important to be a good sport when you win.

Oregonfire

Monday, September 30, 2002 - 07:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And not too self-delusional. I didn't care for that comment either, LL. Don't believe your own press too much, girlfriend.

Trulyscrumtious

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the response Myriads. :)

Myriads

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As promised, I went spelunking in the archives this AM, and Mona was right, I crossed up Lisa talking about the internet chat and the time she had in the DR with the psychologist. It's clear that by the evening of the great drunk, she was still in the dark about Eric's true feelings. My bad!

I'd still be willing to bet dollars to donuts that the shrink spoke to the issue directly somehow though. It's clear that between the FOTH's when L and D disscussed the DR psych sessions, that the doctor was providing solid info to help calm them, as both mellowed down a lot after the sessions. (excepting Dani's wine fueled upsetness that evening)

And Rosa, yes the first impressions can indeed be on the nose. I liked Lisa from the start, in spite of her "I'm evil and it's gonna come out' promo's (which still mystify me). I liked Dani also, though it was hard to know, as her early screen time was almost zilch, it wasn't until later that I truly 'knew' I liked her.

So, I'll try and share my early gut feelings after the first week of feeds and shows next year, once I have the smallest bit of info to work with.

Myriads
"Our deeds know our fashion"

Rosa

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 12:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The 1st impression of Dani that I got was the 1st night when they were all in the trees and Dani said something about Amy having gone to Old Miss. Then she started in on Gerry and the hand washing and that was enough for me. I was very proud of Lori for demanding an answer for this behavior even though it probably sealed her fate. I know Lisa had already nominated her. But the whole hand washing thing could have been done privately, there was no excuse for that.

Hockeymom

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 12:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, its neither here nor there now,BUT, in Danis defense--that conversation was private until Lori walked into it and blew it into more than it should have been.
As you can tell, im a Dani fan, and think she played the game excellently!! She knew how the evicted Hgs would vote, and was happy to place 2nd for 50gs,,although 1st place would have been a nice surprise!! Now i could be wrong here,,hey, its happened before,,but from the testimonials we got, and the votes we saw,,Id guess that the final vote was all Roddy based. Everyone just wants this mans attention, and to vote for Dani would have ticked little Roddy off. Amy and Josh especially. Josh has been all over the place saying Dani played just like he would have-then votes for Lisa?? Even throwing Lisas key as he read his vote, showed he really wanted his vote to go to Dani.
As someone stated before, we all like different things about people-it doesnt make us right, but it doesnt make us wrong either for supporting that person!!

Rosa

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 03:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You are right HMom. we all should respect eachothers' opinion. I really felt that Roddy and Dani were two of a kind and they both knew it. It is over and the jury sent a message,as to just what that message was will always mean differant things to differant people. I had bad vibes for Roddy and Dani from the beginning but that is only my opinion.

Seamonkey

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 05:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How could a conversation which included most of the houseguests, held in the middle of the living room in front of a jillion internet viewers and many cameras, producers, etc., be considered
"private".

Dani started talking about "nasty hands" before the show even started.. she was looking for someone to single out. She managed to embarrass Gerry and used the confrontation with Lori to stimatize Lori as well. Maybe it was good "game-playing, but hardly what I'd call "people skills".

Seems like a matter of judgement rather than just opinion.