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Jane

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm talking about the APOLOGY too. The email we just read.
1. Amy says in a chat on the internet - Danielle yelled at me for not voting for her. (pp) (Public)
2. Danielle responds in an email that is posted. (Public)

Public claim - public response.

Itsallgood

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll agree to disagree.

That's It...That's All.

Jane

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If someone made a claim about you in a public forum wouldn't you want equal time to respond to that claim in the same public forum?

Costacat

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jane, please reread my post. I never said that Marcellas was a true friend. I said he was a friend. I said Danielle was not a "true" friend because I THINK she acted patronizing and condescending to Amy, did not seem to care about Amy's feelings, nor ever really tried to comfort her. Marcellas would always make up with Amy after having it "out" with her. That's a friend. The time that Amy was hysterical after Roddy was evicted, Danielle never went up to comfort her. LISA did, and then eventually, Danielle sauntered over. That's not a friend.

I think the difference between Marellas/Chiara and Danielle is that the first two realize what they did wrong and latter one doesn't. I think the first two apologized for all of their actions and the latter one didn't (the email above that Danielle posted to Amy's Web site is the first apology I've seen from Danielle to Amy, and it's not even a direct apology TO Amy).

Edited to add: And yes, I would MUCH rather have Marcellas as a friend than Danielle as a friend. I think that having Danielle is a friend would better suit your "with friends like these..." statement.

Jane

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I can't imagine Danielle ever nominating Jason, because he irked her (or for any reason). (Which is basically what Marcellas did.)

I don't really understand your distinction re: true friend and friend.

She did care about Amy's feelings. She sacrificed her own game pland JUST FOR AMY. That's what she means when she says "I gave you Chiara." She did that for one reason. Because Amy wanted her to. She cried and said that if that causes her not to be in the final that she would hate herself. (This is one of the chances they had to get rid of Roddy.)
She was also horrified when Marcellas nominated her.
And it sounds to me like Danielle realizes what she did wrong:
"When Amy drank I hated the way she acted. There are times when friends do things that annoy you. Should I've kept my mouth shut? YES! Not for the game, but in respect for Amy's feelings. "

I believe that she truly cares about Amy. I mean she's mentioned her in every post show interview I've read of hers.

Missy2

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Its all a matter of opinion ... :)

Onlyhuman

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
First of all, Ryn, I love you to pieces, but this is one instance where I don't agree with you. We are not rehashing something that went on in the house, we are discussing a current event, the letter Danielle wrote and how we interpreted it. Since it was directed at the public, it seems like a public discussion of our responses is appropriate.

Second, I think the letter was very nicely written. I think there are still some issues of friendship between Danielle and Amy that will have to be settled privately. I think the fact that Danielle explained her actions and still managed to get in a dig about Amy's actions does not bode well for a long term friendship.

One thing that bothers me about how this was handled is that Danielle took it took her case to the public before talking privately with Amy. Yes, Amy mentioned publicly, in direct response to a question, that Danielle yelled at her. She then dropped the subject and said she didn't want to talk about it. Personally, if I was someone interested in maintaining a relationship with Amy, if I had heard about this I would have then approached Amy directly to offer an apology and try to work things out. After that, a public explanation and apology would be appropriate.

I'm well aware that people handle situations differently, so I don't assume that my way is necessarily the "right" way. It's just that this way seems more of a public justification of her actions than an attempt to truly maintain a frindship that she claims to want. Why write to Amy's fans before writing to Amy? Isn't she more important than us?

Maris

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As a point of discussion Danielle did not give Amy Chiara. Amy was going to nominate Jason and not Roddy but Danielle begged her to put up Roddy. Amy did not want to do that because she wanted Chiara voted out and Danielle made a deal with Amy that she would deliver three votes for Chiara if Amy would nominate Roddy. Danielle tried to back down from that because she really wanted to evict Roddy but she had to go along with Amy because she gave her word. She didnt want to be exposed at that point in the game as a liar.

Fact is if Amy had put Chiara up against Jason as she had originally planned, Marcellas, Lisa and Dani would have voted Chiara out anyway. Dani didnt give it to Amy. Amy gave Danielle Jason.

As far as people not wanting to read these posts, they seem pretty civil to me.

Jane

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Onlyhuman did you get a chance to see the chat? Because the way it's posted it doesn't sound like it was in response to a question and I didn't see anywhere where Amy said she wanted to drop it. Maybe it was edited?

"Cocopuff: I really did not like dani at all
MissAmy: I saw her in the hotel lobby. I was going to be nice, but she started yelling at me for not voting for her
Willow: are you kidding??
Frasier: Really?????
Amys_Number_1fan: DANi did that?
MissAmy: Yep
MissAmy: So I didn't talk to her any more
DeemaModesta: Life sucks. . .she should have been nicer. . .Too bad for Dani. . .lol
Scoobs: yeah 50,000 minus taxes doesn't go very far in California!

Onlyhuman

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jane, for some reason, I thought she asked to drop the topic because people wanted more details but she didn't want to go into all that. I may be remembering incorrectly. If that is the case, I apologize.

So my post above should state that Amy dropped the subject after briefly stating that Danielle yelled at her for not voting for her.

Itsallgood

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The post was edited! Amy didn't want to discuss it. Shows alot of class to me.

Edited to note: I guess Willow said this in chat room because I remember her saying that Amy really didn't want to talk about it. But she did not edit the chat with Amy!

Cameramanbob

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like both Amy and Danielle. I think the most endearing thing Danielle ever said about Amy (when a lot of people in the house had been dissing Amy and getting distance FROM Amy) was, "Amy is Amy". I forget D's exact words but I took her meaning to be that Amy is out there. Amy is trusting her vulnerability - no mask, nothing hidden. Amy is herself, take her or leave her, and in Dani's case she knew, accepted and loved Amy as Amy. It was one of the most satisfying moments for me in BB3.

Itsallgood

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Then my question is, Cameramanbob, Why did Danielle CONTINUE to mock and make fun of Amy behind her back if she "accepted and loved" Amy.

That is one thing that I will never be able to understand.

No need to reply because we will never know why she did it.

JMO

Cameramanbob

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wouldn't pretend to know what's in player's hearts during a competition, and it's hard to average out the number of times people are hard on each other versus the times they are good to each other, but that moment - to me - was one time Danni seemed sincerely enamoured with Amy and I like to remember that.

Machellewatches

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Frankly, I liked both Danielle and Amy. I like to think there is something in everyone that we as individuals can take from other people. Everyone is special in their own way.

I seem to remember an old saying "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". All of these houseguests are guilty of trashing each other, yes that even includes Roddy.

I just think that if you are going to forgive, you should forgive everyone and give everyone the benefit of the dobut. I loved Amy, and I would respect her much more if she did forgive Danielle. I am glad Danielle has taken the first step.

Ryn, totally agree with all your posts. Thanks for a great year.

Battlestar

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sure Amy does forgive Danielle ---but as any good Southern Woman would do--'when someone starts yelling and making a scene (in public--HORRORS!!)--one removes oneself from said scene

Seamonkey

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jane.. no, Dani wouldn't have put Jason on the block.. she manipulated it so that Lisa had to do it. In fact, she managed to avoid having to personally put anyone on the block except the one time and she put Amy and Lisa up.

As for giving Amy Chiara, it was only because Amy called her on her word given to Amy in order to "save Jason". And Dani herself voted to keep Chiara so I'm sure she feels Chiara owed her a vote for that, while Amy owed her a vote for the opposite.. and it didn't work, did it?

Had Dani privately talked to Amy and apologized, all this public stuff probably wouldn't be happening at all.

Joyful

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This apology from Danielle was pure Danielle. This is her personality. She is a strong, some may say overbearing personality, but she did apologize. I'm very pleased that she took the time to do this. Maybe she was worried about our perception, I don't know. But the fact of the matter is I don't think this was easy for Danielle to do. And I really think Danielle is reading these posts. So I say thankyou Danielle. And Marcellas If you are reading these posts I want to say < pffffffft > I didn't like you preaching to Amy because I think for a 34 year old man your behaviour was much more immature than Amy's at 23. I'm hoping someday you learn how to look for the positive in people instead of the negative. You are handsome and funny but your behavior makes you ugly.

Realrealityfan

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle still doesn't get it..We saw how she planned the evictions and when she felt it was "her friend" Amy to be put up..Also, someone mentioned that Danielle stayed true to Jason..but we will never know if she had the opportunity in the final 3 if she would have "had his back" like she promised Marcellas..(unless jason and Danielle had a pact to split the money under the table)..No one will now convince the Danielle's supporters that "she wasn't robbed" and she played nasty. Just like they didn't believe that she yelled at Amy and maybe even now that Danielle admits she did..they still won't believe it

Oregonfire

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, considering that we are all one brainwashed mass in the Dani cult, of course not. She has us all programmed to think alike, you know.

Sbw

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy and Marcellas and Amy and Chiara happened within the context of the game. After they were out of game mode, all was forgiven. The Amy and Dani discussion was outside the game. HOWEVER, since it was so soon after Dani had left the house, I am sure she was still in game mode, but Amy was past that point. I am sure when they have a chance to discuss it OUTSIDE the game, all will probably be fine, just like all the others. I am sure Marcellas, Chiara and Amy all did their share of apologizing to one another.

Ladytex

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, my ... I knew I would find you in here Oregonfire...lol. Just like I knew that some people would take the opportunity to bash Dani again. I thought this was a very nice email and wish both ladies all the best.

Loppes

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 12:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Looks to me like Danielle is having difficulties accepting that she lost. Pure and simple, that's it that's all.

Oregonfire

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It seems to me what Dani is struggling with is having massive amounts of people talk about her online. If people were talking about me online and how much I stink as a human being, you bet your *ss I'd be tempted to get in there and state my point of view. I hope Dani learns that she'll never be able to satisfy all of her critics. I hope she turns off the computer and goes about living her life without the self-loathing that reading the all negative comments may induce.

Somewhat related: I read the other day that a guy who was on Survivor Outback was beaten within an inch of his life in a bar because he was accused by his tribe of stealing beef jerky. The guys at the bar said, "Aren't you that Indian from Survivor?" and piled on, causing massive injuries about the head, but luckily causing no brain damage. Scary.

Itsallgood

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I read that article and it had no where in it that he: "was beaten within an inch of his life in a bar because he was accused by his tribe of stealing beef jerky". LOL