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Archive through October 11, 2002
Joyful | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:03 pm     To ryn, Your post on the first page here, You can't understand why we can't let it go? I've asked myself this question 100 times. I have no clue why I enjoy rehashing and discussing this stuff. No, none of it personally makes a bit of difference in my life and I have no clue why obsess over every shard of info on these people and about this show. My closest guess is that it is the analyzing of the philosophy and psychology of these people. Either that or we all need some serious therapy. |
Oregonfire | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:10 pm     That was a paraphrase, Itsallgood, which is why my comments were not in quotation marks. I tried to find the link to the article, but it's gone now from my "what's new" on Compuserve. Rats. If anyone can find it I'd like to read it again. Ed. to add: I see now that some folks were talking about this over in the Survivor area. I had a different source--Compuserve. |
Itsallgood | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:24 pm     Oregonfire I'll put the article (Interview) I read in the General Discussion area because it's really long to put here. Re: X-Survivor 2's Beating |
Ptomaine | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:29 pm     Inches and Life http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article2331.art&page=1 |
Oregonfire | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:32 pm     Thanks to both of you! I guess Compuserve is hopelessly behind the times. I don't really follow Survivor so missed the info on the board. Not exactly "breaking news" to those in the know. |
Jane | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:34 pm     Seamonkey all this public stuff wouldn't be happening if AMY hadn't said what she did in the chat and if it hadn't spread all over the internet. I like both of them too and I hope they make peace. |
Itsallgood | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:36 pm     YVW  |
Itsallgood | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:43 pm     LOL It's so nice that we can agree to disagree!  |
Shortnsweet | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:52 pm     Just an interesting note about timing of the "public" knowing about the argument. Amy's chat was posted at TVCH on Sunday night around 8:30 p.m. (Pacific Time?) and Dani talked about the incident in a radio interview that same night (if you scroll down in the thread about this argument you will see when the info about the interview was posted on another site - 9:00 p.m. Central Time, Sunday, Oct. 6) So I think it would be interesting to know who made this incident public first! |
Shortnsweet | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:26 pm     Looking a little closer, Amy's chat appears to have taken place Sunday, October 6 at 7 p.m. CST. Dani's radio interview, where she discussed the incident, appears to have been Friday night, October 4. |
Itsallgood | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:31 pm     LOL ty Shortnsweet. Info like that is always appreciated! |
Onlyhuman | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:44 pm     I think it's statements like these: Quote:No one will now convince the Danielle's supporters that "she wasn't robbed" and she played nasty. Just like they didn't believe that she yelled at Amy and maybe even now that Danielle admits she did..they still won't believe it
and
Quote:Just like I knew that some people would take the opportunity to bash Dani again.
that get people's backs up. At least they get mine up. It's frustrating to me that we can't have a discussion about a public event without it turning into an attack on each other. I'm sorry, moderators, I know it's your job to address this, but it's bugging me that I can't post my opinion without being accused of bashing, something I am especially careful NOT to do. Can we continue to discuss the topic without the comments about the "Danielle supporters" and "Danielle bashers", please??? |
Cmore | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:50 pm     Dani yelling at Amy only proves that she does have sour grapes over how the voting went and for that she needed to apologize. Amy had the right to vote any way she wished, for any reason. Amy didn't yell at Jason for voting her out of the house the second time, even though she was nice to him, called him sugar for weeks and gave him no reason to vote her out. In fact they are friendly and were seen together after they were both evicted. I can't feel sorry for any comments the Hg's had to endure, both negative or positive. No one twisted their arms to appear on a reality show. They chose to do it and along with that choice came public scrutiny. Finding yourself on the bottom of the popularity poll would not be appealing to anyone, but the odds of that happening are the same exact odds as winning, 12:1 Its a risk you have to consider going in. |
Itsallgood | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:59 pm     ONLYHUMAN....I too felt the same way when I read those but I wasn't going to take the bait and address those posts because it would of never ended. I respect the moderators too much after seeing them at work during BB3. But I agree with your post above. |
Ryn | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 04:31 pm     ok, this is my last post on this, I skim read the thread since I last posted just now and I need to clarify something. I guess my problem is that i can't understand why some people seem to have an axe to grind with a particular HG, thats all. I am not condemning anyone for it, but I really am amazed at how things are still lingering this year, maybe it did last year too, I can't recall (thankfully). As I said a couple of days before the last show (after the vote was recorded), its over, and you (not anyone in particular) are not going to sway anyones feeling about a particular HG at this point. The "Amy lovers" will keep loving and defending her, the "Danielle lovers" will do the same, its not going to change, and I just feel some folks are arguing their case like they think they will sway someone. I am in neither group, I like em all, and I wish each and every one of them the best, I really do hope they all have woderful lives from here on out, and I don't hold anything against Danielle for the way she played the game, nor Amy for the way she went about playing, and I had VERY strong feelings about both of them at one point or another during the game. anyways, nuff said, just like no one will sway opinions about the FORMER hgs at this point, I have now discovered that I am not gonna get anyone to let go of the issues if they don't want to - lol. just please keep it civil and no name calling - pleeeasseee??? ty  |
Misslibra | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 05:13 pm     Great post Ryn!! I think some of us just enjoyed the show so much this year, that we felt a strong connection with some of this years HG's. Maybe they reminded us of someone in our life. And with all the new twist and turns it's hard to let go. I know I find myself looking for any info I can find on the HG's just to see how they are doing and what they are up to.We just don't want to let go. I guess we all need therapy. I think everyone have been quite civil to each other in this thread. But I do have one problem and that is when other people call some people bash-er's just because their opinion is different of certain HG's that they may like. Can we please not do that, because that seems to be when the arguments starts in most cases. Back on topic... I think Danielle and Amy will do just fine working out any problem they may have with each other. And I wish them both the best of luck! Now can someone please tell me how Lisa and Eric are doing?! I know different topic, wrong thread.  |
Adrian | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 05:37 pm     "A couple of people have commented that she does not know what the net viewers saw - but we did NOT see everything either. Like the HGs we only saw the portion of the DR sessions that CBS showed, we did NOT see all the other interactions either, there were many times when danielle and amy were NOT on camera because the cameras were pointing elsewhere. I, like others, can't figgure out why some people can't let it go and seem to want to keep debating this like it matters anymore. And yes, its just my opinion, but damnit, I have to keep reading this stuff because people keep getting in fights over it. (pardon the minor moderator rant). I am not mad, just a lil frustrated with how this year some people can't seem to let it go." Great posts Ryn! |
Itsallgood | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 05:42 pm     Thanks for understanding Ryn! ADRIAN WROTE: "I, like others, can't figgure out why some people can't let it go and seem to want to keep debating this like it matters anymore". AND "but damnit, I have to keep reading this stuff because people keep getting in fights over it" Are you a moderator??? Just wondering!!! LOL  |
Twinkie | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 06:09 pm     I guess that since Danielle's email was dated Oct.8 she can't let it go either. Just a thought. |
Shortnsweet | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 06:21 pm     Do we have Amy's reply yet? |
Onlyhuman | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 06:23 pm     You know, I just realized that my response to this board indicates that I either have the biggest ego around or I'm totally insecure, because everytime someone posts something about "some people" I'm sure they are talking about me! So I would respectfully ask that anyone using that phrase for now on please include the disclaimer "some people (excluding Onlyhuman)..." Unless, of course, you ARE talking about me... hee, hee, I hope you all know that I'm just joking about the disclaimer...but I DO always think you are talking about me!  |
Misslibra | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 06:25 pm     Onlyhuman, LMAO !! I'll try to remember that.  |
Itsallgood | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 06:36 pm     LMAO Onlyhuman. I think I have the same phobia you do!! But I refuse to go there! LOL |
Shortnsweet | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 06:48 pm     I just want to continue to talk about the stuff that is happening after the show. This stuff is really interesting to me. I am more frustrated by the off topic posts than the squabbling. I find it interesting that someone asked why Dani felt she had to make such a public apology, and someone said they thought that Amy made the "incident" public, and someone found that Dani might have discussed it on the radio before Amy brought it up. I also thought it was interesting that Dani thinks she "gave Chiara" to Amy when Amy clearly thought that Dani had "promised" Chiara to her in exchange for Jason not being nominated. Isn't this stuff interesting enough to warrent a discussion? Do we have to stop discussing this stuff because some people (not Onlyhuman ;) ) get personally involved and feel they have to defend an ex-houseguest? |
Prisonerno6 | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 07:24 pm     To me, apologies are very important. If one truly feels one has done something wrong and, if given the opportunity, would not do it again, then one apologizes. After all, we can't really go back in time and correct past mistakes, so we do the next best thing and apologize for that mistake and try our hardest not to do it again. Inherent in that, however, is understanding what one did wrong in the first place, what was said or done to hurt someone. If that understanding doesn't exist, if you don't know what you did wrong (or don't really think you did anything wrong), then an apology is just lip service. There is no way to avoid doing the whatever caused the hurt in the first place, because there is no recognition of what that is. That's what bothers me about what Danielle has said in her email to Amy (and indeed, in most of the interviews I've read of hers). She doesn't really seem to understand why Amy (or the houseguests) would be hurt. She keeps blaming it on the diary room interviews without recognizing the hurtfulness of the comments to the other houseguests about Amy's drinking, her weight, her flirting, even, the flashing incident. How can you apologize for hurting someone *and truly mean it* when you don't realize you did anything hurtful? |
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