HG-DEBATE: My OPINION of Roddy
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HG-DEBATE: My OPINION of Roddy
Whit4you | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 09:00 pm     Ok I'm biting - obviously people want to discuss this and it moving to the outside the house area as long as it remains civil doesn't need to end. Wendo - Someone comparing Roddy to a toxic personality or implying in any way that he is - could be taken as offensive to Roddy or those who are not blinded-by-their-dislike of Roddy. Perhaps if I were to say I'm an expert on the internet, and understand the behavior of a Troll. Then I were to go on to say that YOU remind me of a Troll...listing all the points that a Troll exhibits which would enclude a # of points you exhibit. WOuld that not be OFFENSIVE To you and implying that *I* think you are a troll, and because of my expert credientials it might carry some weight? Especially for those who are biased against you? Think about that. Even me sighting this as an EXAMPLE without going on to list off all the behaviors you've exhibited in and of itself is enough to make it seem that I believe you ARE a troll and am siting proof. I thought Reenie was a very articulate person however - she's um judging a contestant on a game show for 500 grand? Based on her criteria I'd have to say that any nice person would fit right into her description of a toxic personality and while he/she may not be intending it to be taken that way - it does belittle those who've been through a truely toxic persons wrath which is beyond the scope of this BB discussion. If I had the time or inclination I could 'tear apart' every arguement I've read above of yours but personally I really don't care what you think about Roddy or how biased your take on him may be. Why should I? If everyone here agreed on everything this board would truely be boring. As far as my Troll comment ... well - I'm not just blowing smoke there but unlike your inability to see any good in Roddy - I do see good in some Trolls |
Whit4you | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 09:07 pm     Well I've had several men in my life like Chaira and the anti-Rod people who seem to think that *I* should have to be X because THEY think I should. Screw that. Just cause I hang out with a guy..am nice to him.. and gawd for bid kiss him... does not mean I belong to him! But this hole Roddy/Chaira thing is just another visit to the TVCH Rabbit hole. Guy meets gal on TV Game show for 500 g's. Guy likes gal. Ends up not so interested. Doesn't dump her on national tv (he's a bad guy for not doing that...um ok) Doesn't diss her and make it totally aparrent she doesn't own him for life, with 500 g's at stake. What a jerk!!!! I know that most men would give up a chance at 500 g's to make sure some chick who's clingy and acting like he's her property would be happy to toss 500 g's out the window rather then lead her on. After all we KNOW that the majority of men in this country have NEVER lead any gal on for say 500 g's or sex or anything like that. Alice? Mind if I sit for some tea? |
Wendo | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 10:57 pm     Loppes said, "Wendo, Just admit you can't stand Roddy, and this conversation can be closed. I mean come on Wendo, think about it for a bit, Would you be interested in a man if He went around exposing his rash riddled crotch for all to see, and insisted on plucking his armpits? I'd be interested in knowing, which man from BB3 met your standards?" I'll admit I don't like BB Roddy, I've admitted that in the past. But what I didn't like was how he played the game and his tactics. As far as closing this thread, that's not up to you. It's in the Outside the House area and it's an appropriate topic for conversation since this is a BB board, and Roddy was on BB. As far as your question about what man on BB met my standards? None of them. I do not get emotionally attached to people on a reality tv show. Hope that answers your question. |
Wendo | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 10:58 pm     Whit, he wouldn't dump her on national tv. I agree. Then he would have lost her jury vote. |
Azriel | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 05:38 am     Wendo, I don't think he was worried about her vote. I think he was worried about hurting her feelings and looking like a jerk on TV. He didn't have to dump her because the seriousness of their relationship was all in Chiara's mind. He was flirting, joking and having fun and all the sudden Chiara was naming their children. He was in a no-win situation. |
Mellbell416 | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 07:46 am     I dunno - if you want my definition of a kind person, that would be Jason. I have never seen him tear down someone else, make them cry, say, "I forgive you" and then walk off. Rod has done a variant of this multiple times. I've never seen him examine his own behavior or admit his fallibilities (and saying 'I trusted people when I shouldn't have' doesn't count!) He never allowed himself to be human. I would have liked him a lot more if he had been less judgemental and more human, and the HGs probably feel the same way. Of all the evicted HGs, he handled his exit with the least amount of classiness. And of course he has reason to feel bitter - he got kicked out of the game. But it's not all about what gets thrown at you. It's also about how you handle it - with grace or not? He had no strategic reason to be nice anymore, and that's when the nastiness came out. And why is it ok (i.e. 'not against the rules') to manipulate people's weaknesses - which he freely admitted to doing - but NOT ok to lie to them? I can't see how one is better than the other. |
Loppes | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 10:38 am     Wendo, I didn't mean close the folder down, I just meant, the banter between you and I. Lon |
Wendo | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 03:33 pm     Loppes, Well, you're the one who keeps posting! Mellbell, good points all around. |
Krossd | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 07:02 am     You know - It works in reverse too. No matter what logic is shown or explained to a person who has fallen for a character like Roddy, in real life or on TV reality show, they can't or do not want to see past where they are hooked, or blinded. Once you've fallen (for the charisma, intelligence, etc) it is difficult to believe anything but what you want see is there, much like Chiara couldn't see during and when he tried to switch it to a non-relationship (gently for the outside vote, but not strong enough to get her past her illusion that there was something more.) It is a tactic used by both sides, you like him so much you can't see what I see. Or you are blinded by your dislike for him so you can't see past that. (Personally I'd pay attention to the little things that send off alarm bells, or give me an uncomfortable feeling. Gut feelings are there for a reason. Trying to point this out to someone who doesn't have this si quiet difficlut as you have seen - and they are the people who stay around such characters in RL.) I do, however disagree that a professional with 25 years experience, (and others who HAVE had personal experiences such a 'character') can not give an unbiased assesstment on what they are seeing on a reality program about a 'character' in the house. What some of us are saying is - if he has these characteristics in there, and he has them outside, then this is what it is called. But it seems for those who love and admire the character/personality of BB Roddy, the 'bad' things apparently only relate to the game, but wouldn't relate outside, while he 'good' things all remain inside or outside the BB house. (Sigh) And you know, while real life may not be that intense 24/7, that house DOES bring out behaviour that already exists, or potentially exists - it does not makes it up for the house only. Anyone who has had any RL experiences, especially a long one, with such a personality (or character) KNOWs no one will believe what you are saying about such a charming, intelligent, funny, all-together person (surely it is you that has the problem.) You just have to walk away knowing that unless experienced it is difficult for them to believe it is so. I still say he's likely to be fun, interesting to be around in RL - AS LONG AS you don't get too personal, are super careful, and watch for the tell-tail signs you've seen on with 'character' played by Roddy. Who knows, maybe a few people will benefit from witnessing this personality type on TV, even those who disagree right now. |
Abigail1970 | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 10:13 am     I have tried to stay out of this.. I really have.. How can anyone lump Roddy with "the rest of them" and compare him to every guy that has ever done a girl wrong? He is not that guy. How stereo typical and judgemental. Roddy is Roddy and not many of us know the 'real' Roddy. Including me. It just kills me how people can go on and on like they know Roddy and his type and blah, blah, blah. He was on a TV show for goodness sake. Face it folks, we don't know him or what he would be like outside of the house. |
Krossd | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 10:34 am     It isn't just about doing the girl wrong.... |
Reeniehere | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 11:03 am     I was gone for a few days after I posted my last message, and have been updating myself on the posts. Sorry I wasn't there to respond to the requests for comments by a couple of posters. I appreciate the nice comments and have no problem with the negative ones. I'd just like to clarify a few things. I made a point of saying I realized the house is an artificial environment and my thoughts were being presented as an emotional reaction, not factual. One of the reasons I took so long to post this season is that I'm aware that words can be powerful, and some of the houseguests are vulnerable and under a lot of stress. Even the slightest possibility that they might someday read my words and be hurt was of concern to me. I thought long and hard about my posting, and if I would have thought for a second that Roddy would sob or cry or become overwhelmed with hurt or confusion or guilt, as some of the house guests have when he enlightened them about their flaws, I wouldn't have done it. My motivation was similar to several of the other posters who'd witnessed this sort of inflicted pain and wanted to prevent it from happening to others. If we are wrong, which is always a possibility, I doubt if we'd do much harm. It seemed clear from my observations that Roddy would decide we were just more stupid vipers who were incapable of realizing how kind and honest and wonderful he was. Then, most likely, he'd forgive us because he, unlike us, is wonderful. I can live with that. Can't have too much forgiveness in this life is my theory. However, one of the truths that research has found is that when someone says over and over and over and over how kind and honest and wonderful they are, you can bet your psyche they're not. Kind, honest, wonderful people have no need to convince others--they let their behaviors speak for them. Words are powerful, but when there is a conflict between the words a person speaks and their affect (facial expression), body language, tone of voice or behaviors, the words are always the lie. Whatever your opinions, I can't thank you enough for this summer of mental stimulation. I left the social work profession a few years back because I got burned out on the pain I was witnessing. I'm now into graphic arts which is mostly visual, but will never get over my fascination with the human condition and you guys are great to hang around with--even if I'm just lurking in the background. |
Mellbell416 | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 12:15 pm     Amen, Reemie! I always have said that when the words and someone's actions don't match up, look to the actions to tell you what someone is really like. And Roddy's 'I am a nice, sweet kid' rant makes me think of that quote - "The lady doth protesteth too much".... What kinds of deals was Roddy setting up? Ones in which he got something for nothing, really. He promised everyone that he wouldn't put them up for nominations, but he deliberately avoided getting HOH and veto power, and never had to do anything for anyone else. And this whole supposed 'sacrifice' for Lisa in the last eviction doesn't ring true either. So far we posters have not been able to uncover any evidence of a deal with Lisa or Eric to protect Lisa. He made it seem that way to Amy, that he was being 'honorable' by doing so, but that was a bit of a misrepresentation. Instead, it looks more like he was trying to set up an alliance with Lisa - she was the most likely convert. He just underestimated the other HGs, and they voted him out anyway. I haven't seen any evidence of Roddy truly protecting other HGs (as Dani did with Jason)or looking out for others. He never got angry at people for slights against other people, only against himself. All of the above add up to someone who is far more selfish and less honorable as he would like others to think he is. |
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