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Ryn | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 12:48 pm     Danielle and Lisa talking noms a bit..... water running in the sink and you cannot make out audio at all... The jist of it seems to be things that Chiara said to Lisa about Jason. (Jason asked Danielle about this earlier) Lisa is confirming what Danielle thought, the things Chiara told Lisa.... (ed - this is nothing bad, and would go along with what Jason already feels) |
Ryn | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 12:56 pm     Jason in HoH talking to Amy.....
She says she talked to Marcel..... then says she does not know if she could come up with 2 people... amy says - there is always Gerry.....but then you have to nominate someone else too, and Gerry is an "easy out" - and that anyone nommed against him would probably be safe.... She says that gerry does do a lot... Jason says - do you have a second? Amy - no - the second would have to be a decoy if thats the way you were going to go - they would have to be "safe" Jason, who is not a good decoy? Amy - Danielle - amy thinks she is the strongest. Amy thought Roddy was going to go at the "end of my reign"
Amy thinks if she is put up she will go because she just came back... Jason says some may suggest that, he's not trying to scare her, but he will let her know beforehand. Jason says "don't make a scrathc on your key and see its not there" (Jason makes is sound like some have - so they can see if its not in the box). Amy thinks jason will hear amy/gerry a lot. Amy says Jason is being a politician (complimenting him).
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Maesin | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 01:00 pm     4 feeds on Jay and Amy on HOH. Amy sitting on bed, Jay in the corner chair. J-i am going to talk to everyone. I want to know what your thoughts are for this week A you are such a good leader J i want to be your rep. A i talked to Marc and we dont really know. do what your comfortable with J i am not comfortable nom any one a it's so hard, Ya know. sigh J say it. A if I were in your position, i dont know what I would do. No easy way. I would like to stay. I really would. J thats why I got HOH. (going to pp) Amy talking about decoy against Gerry(?). Decoy is getting harder because it has to be a person you like and not threat. Amy doesnt think Dani is a good decoy, Amy thought Roddy would go at the end of her reign. If you put me up I will probably go cus I came back. Jay doesnt know what people are going to say. Talks about ORD. Jay is not trying to scare her. Cam volume down. half foth missing amy/jay convo due to split FOTH. BB-Lisa pls go to DR. Amy talking about how Chiara mocked her. Made her uncomfortable. The person she was least close to. (if i could get my hands on the bb camera ppl...) Amy did what 4 of the ppl wanted her to do. Tells Jay that Dani was hard on her, preasure wise. Says all the preasure comming from Feed goes to Marc and Dani in hammock. |
Ryn | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 01:03 pm     All cams cuts to Danielle/Marcel on the hammock - talking about Chiara Roddy apparently saying Jason gave his word not to evict Eric and broke his word. She says Jason swears he never gave his word.
Now they discuss Amy teling Roddy everything last week, and Marcel says he cannot believe she did that (he already knew - just a comment that he could not believe it). He says thats something he keeps to himself he can not "open that door." Cam cuts back to Amy/Jason |
Maesin | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 01:08 pm     Back to HOH. A I wouldnt vote to evict Marc J what do you want A I want the six ppl to feel comfortable with each other, i want a happy house, I think what i hate the most about this is the badgering. I dont want ppl badgering the HOH. you are lucky you havent had that J I have made myself unavailable for that. Back to D and M D have to worry about the POV. Talking about Roddy. Marc says Gerry has to go. D says if Rod is HOH then she would be gone. Marc says Gerry hates him and much as he hates him. D who ever gets HOH next week is crucial. Dani doesnt like the memory stuff. she wants game or a stand off type thing like the tub. Talking about the things they would do in the tub if it meant staying. Dani tells Marc that she told Jay to do what's best for him. D says people underestimate Jay. Marc is going to take the lid off the hottub. Back to Jay and Amy in HOH. A my dad would bring the keg. He would bring the liquer/booze. Think they were talking about who could be mystery guest. FOTH |
Maesin | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 01:16 pm     Amy says it's scary. Jay agrees. Amy wishes she knew what happened to Chiara, because no one knew what was going on with the exile. J just a quick A you know school's getting ready to start. J school? A yeah school J oh yeah.. Amy says she went with the house, but just becuase you do what the house want doesnt mean it will do anything to you. Amy thinks Roddy or Chiara would have put her up. so that's why she did it. Jay thinks, but no guarentees. If i do feel that there is someone to put up, if I pick you, it's because you left and came back, but I would try for votes. Jay thinks it's his best interest that Amy stays. Amy says she and Marc want Jay to stay there because he is positive. Likes the way he plays the game. Amy talks about Roddy nom and how she felt bad. Jay says it was a tough week. He expects the same thing, even if he does what the house wants. Talks about how things are better when the food comes after evictee leaves and Friday is much better. both of them are up and moving. Jay asks if amy needs cheese or anything. Jay thanks her. amy tells him to do his best. Leave hoh. |
Maesin | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 01:40 pm     Jay goes outside and asks to steal Lisa. tells Ger that he wants to talk to him alo. Lisa- You just want to spend some time alone with me. Have a seet whereever Lisa is on bed and Jay in Chair. J- i just want to find out what everybody is thinking , best interest of house. what are you thinking. L i am so lost in this game, if I were you I think i would be even worse. I am going out of my mind. the Roddy and Chiara thing, I wanted them as friends, after the whole eric and her on block, they hurt her feelings. the past week was hard for her cus, she couldnt look at kiki. she wanted to cry. says she was doing it on personal thing. roddy didnt do as much to her. I dont know what to tell you. J i am glad you brought that up. everyone feels things happened. different perspective. eric got me in trouble. rod and kiki dont like me very much. L heard that eric and rod came up to you J yeah, i just nodded and didnt say much to eric or rod. he doesnt remember much of it. he cant wiat to see the tapes. eric said he thought that everyone was voting to save eric. jay thinks that they thought he was in on it. Jay is trying to recall the situation. telling about kiki's POV. he didnt feel he gave a definate deal answer. Jay feels like he has no credibility with them because of that. He felt like he was being bullied. (mouse error! some missed convo! sorry!) Jay asks if L would feel like she had to honour someone if they asked if they would not nom them. L says she would not honour it if someone wronged her, but she hasnt really given her word. Back to past weeks convo. Rehashing noms, votes, josh, kiki, roddy. L i dont know who I would put up if I were you. Rod and Kiki kept comming to lisa and said that jason broke his word. J so they did come to you. L yeah they love you to death, but they cant trust you. Roddy is hurt and doesnt know what to do with it. J That hurts me because I know what happened and I didnt feel like I had a locked in deal. the thing that is hard, Roddy said he would look out for me and i think that's okay, I am cool with that. Then things started to change and told roddy if he couldnt make a deal he couldnt. Jay told kiki that she had his word and he honoured it. He wants to do easy thing and put Ger against, whoever, amy, make it easy. L i didnt really want HOH cus i didnt know if i wanted to do the easy thing or not. J wishes Kiki was in the house right now Knock on door. Dani enters. says she needs to talk to him. Dani sits on bench thing. |
Maesin | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 01:51 pm     J talks about Josh evictions and Roddy thought for a moment that they had voted roddy out. Jay says that Roddy doesnt trust him any more. Lisa gets up to leave, gives Jay a hug. Jay says he will tell Roddy before he puts him up that it is because Roddy started a smear campaign. Said Amy with him, but still maybe Ger. Feels good if he puts Amy on block, thinks he has votes. Knows if Roddy stays Jay is screwed. Jay is worried about POV. D ask Ger about POV. J no one else would use it? you dont think Marc would use it? J it's not going to be fun. I will hide out in here this week. Roddy is going to be. Dani leaving. Jay has to use WC. Cams to L in hammock. Dani doing laundry. Ger is gathering towels. |
Ryn | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:15 pm     Marcel is now in talking to Jason.... (ed - I just got on..) Jason relaying to Marcel that he is learning a lot and he wishes he knew some of these things before. (posting and will try to get more) |
Maesin | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:17 pm     Marc in HOH with Jason. Missed beg. Marc is talking about Ger and his dislike for him. Doesnt like being told that the only reason he is in the house is because of ger using veto. Knock on door, Ger looking for cards. Marc is in chair and Jay on floor. Talking about Amy being put up and that Jay is not sure what he is going to do. Marc says he is happy and the only problem he has is with Gerry. Doesnt like all of Gers deals. As far as Roddy, Dani is scared of roddy and I usually follow what Dani thinks, but he doesnt scare me. What scares me about Roddy is how other ppl relate to him. Everybody does things for him. M I did buy into the couples against the house thing. I thought they were all a threat. J if they were in the house we would all be gone. M picked off one by one. J that's why i went the way I went with eric week M can i ask you a question. brought up the handshake by the sink and everyone thinking they had made a deal. How things get so twisted around. if you overhear a convo the think you are part of it and have made a deal. M that's why I think, that's why Chiara had to go. Marc didnt like the whole Chiars thing. Roddy told M that Jay lied to him. J I cant believe he told eveyrone in the house that I lied and didnt tell me. Talking about Ger HOH week and Jay being told that he could be put up. Everyone felt Jay was in on a deal with the Eric vote. Marc looking out of HOH window for gerry. Says he doesnt trust him. Back to Josh/Roddy week. Jay told Kiki that he would vote to keep Roddy. BB-Gerry pls go to DR. J let me ask you this, I dont mean to get into your head...if you cant answer, that's okay...is there anyone in this house that you dont think you could evict? M no, the only deals i have on the table is, and I dont think you me and D is a deal, it's just watching each others back. I was never a member of any of the clicks that's when I came to you. So that's why I told you you had to work. the only person I wouldnt vote agaisnt is Danielle. I have caught her in a couple things, she has worked her agenda, sort of tired of that, but when I look at everything throughout the game, thats the only person I wouldnt vote agaisnt. J this is where it gets sticky, in the final four or three. Talk about final games rules. the final four HOH. J doesnt like being HOH, but I like the bedroom. I dont like this part of job. M i think you know I nor Dani nor Amy would put you up. J i told amy i might put her up, but I will try to make sure it's okay, it's not for her to go, but not going to load votes. Talks about all the vote loading and Marcs Tonya/Josh week. Marc talking about Amy/Marc week. Then the vote loading that Chiara did. On feed 4, dont know what's going on the other feeds right now. J what a game M it's a crazy game. talking about what Chiara did to Lisa. (eric/lisa week) Jay and Marc say they wish they knew more of what was goin on, but on the other hand they are happy they dont. M i dont think anyone's is going to walk away unscathed or walk away without growth. Jay is nodding head. M most of the ppl in game have been on tv before so it couldnt just be about being on tv. Jay saying that ppl wouldnt do it without it being on tv. M the frolic for today is over Both leave HOH. Go outside. |
Ryn | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:21 pm     Jason says he still has to talk to Roddy & Gerry
(ed - sorry - I have no sense of what he and Marcel discussed) The only bit I got from Marcel talking to Jason was that Marcel was discussing how Chiara was acting, how she seemed so close to Lisa and betrayed her in a sense. Jason is outside - and has now grabbed Gerry to talk to him. Roddy was paged to the DR Jason will talk to Gerry in a few minutes I guess - Jason goes out to talk to Lisa, now in talking to Gerry.
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Ryn | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:30 pm     Gerry implies Amy should be the one put up - he said if it were him he would. He also implying possibly putting up Marcel as well. Amy would be the sure one to go out, Marcel would be put up to keep him from saving Amy. jason is just listening, kinda agreeing, but not commiting. Jason says everyone (including Gerry) has told him to follow his heart. Gerry says he pondered just for a joke to put up Roddy - because its pretty sure he would not go. Laughing and joking about the Susan Lucci thing. Jason continues to listen. Gerry goes back to the fact that its not fair that Amy got out and back in, not fair to them. Jason says he has learned some things talking to everyone individually. Jason says its tough because everyone is a family now and he has to put someone up to kick out someone they like. Jason brings up the POV - to see how he would feel. Jason says "I am not cornering you, now hoh powering you" Jason, is there anyone you feel you HAVE to save or could not see put up - someone you might use POV on? He keeps sayign "You don't have to tell me" Gerry says this week probably, he says if you put up amy and put up me I would not save amy (as an example). Jason indicates it might be amy up - he feels pretty strong about her and he is not sure who else (ed - jason is not being totally honest here - he has already told Danielle he wants to put up amy - he is just feeling Gerry out to see if he will save Roddy if he is put up against amy). gerry now talking again about Chiara and how she really reminds her of her daughter and how he still tears up talking about her. Jason wants to make sure that Gerry will not mess with his noms if he gets POV, at this point Gerry implies that he would not, but has yet to "give his word" (posting) |
Maesin | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:41 pm     D and L outside with laundry. Jay wants to talk to Ger. Jay grabs muffin and drink. They go looking for roddy. Jay thought he was in WC, but he is sleeping in HRD. Jays asks Roddy to come find him when he gets up. Jay goes back outside. Tells L about deal thing that he never finished in the HOH. J I hate this thing. L it's tough J thanks for your time earlier. I appreciate it. Ger and Jay to HOH Ger in brown chair. J on floor at end of bed. Round 5. same speech, different person. G i think you have an easy out. We love her to death, but it's just not fair. Had I won head of household that's what I would have done. Talking about different scenerios. Talking about tie breaking and how hard that was/is going to be. J everyone says "here's what i think, but follow your heart" G i dont want you to put me up, but if you do no hard feelings...this week. Laugh G put roddy up for third week in row. Susan lucci reference. saying as a joke. Ger wants Amy out, tells Jay the dilema is who Jay would put agaisnt her. J i could have an easy week. talking to everyone i have learned some things. Go with the heart. We are like a family, kick someone out that I have grown to love. J let me ask you this, not make deal, not cornering you, just get a feel, if I put something up there is there anyoen you feel you just have to save? if you can't answer that it's okay, I'm just trying to find out. Strategic, I dont want to have this person come after me. G chances are that I would, unless you put me up. I would not veto amy if she were with me. J i felt very strong about it being amy, I think she's the one and I think it may be someone else. I just want to make sure that it would stay that way. G i think as the house goes, we feel that we went through two awful weeks and now she's back and has a chance to win. Amy came back and Chiara went out. There's a big empty spot with Chiara out for me. She reminds me of my daughter. (he is getting emotional.) G whatever you do I support you. J i dont want to nom anyone. I just want to party. It's a tough spot I am in. I look where everyone in the house stands. Talks about a threat he hasnt seen. Wonders if he makes a strategic move and make a scumbag. Roddy knocks on door. Jay tells him soon, like two min. J i hate this game. G I have thought about putting everyone on the block. BB-Amy to the DR. G you gotta do what's best for jason. J i feel like if I make a move, I think it would be in everyone's advatage. I dont know that it will make me a wonderful person, but G it's interesting how things play out. I think Lisa is a stronger player with eric gone. J i was pleased to see that. the safety of Eric will take care of things. G mean of me, lisa thought I was going after her, but I wasnt. J i am going to put it out there, dont let it leave. I think I am going to put Roddy up against Amy. Would you feel like winning POV to save him. If you cant answer dont G i dont think I would play POV in that case J i just heard somethings today. Both nodding heads to each other. G the other thing you can do, what I advise. After noms throw your door open J i am going to stay out there. G that played into my decision, Lili came to me right away. I am still happy with my decision. J that may all change. G tells Jay about amy's angel vs. devil plan J yah I know all about that. G that wouldve been a tough vote. G i think M is a stronger player when A is not here. J cus he has to be on top of things Ger is talking about how marc is more comfortable with straight females than males. Relating to his personal experince. J whatever happens happens G you have my blessing. if you put me up I understand. J i just hope you dont use POV. Pls keep to yourself. I told you cus I dont know if you would save him and that would effect me. G the only reason I want POV is because it would be for the third time. Hugs. Exiting. i am toast for now. will go beg for help! |
Ryn | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:42 pm     Jason says to Gerry that he has told Amy she is going sooner or later so he is still considering using this to get rid of someone that he had not considerd before.
Roddy knocks - jason says 2 minutes.... Jasons says he has considered everyone, Gerry says you gotta do what you gotta do. Jason says he feels he has to make a move that will benefit everyone left in the house even if its not a 'nice' thing to do. Gerry says he thinks lisa is a much stronger player with Eric gone. and might not have been to his benefit. Gerry goes back to using the POV the 1st week, that he felt so bad. Jason says "I am gonna put it out there and please keep it to yourself...." He tells him he is considering putting up Roddy against Amy...... Gerry says he doubts very seriously he would use it. Jason says he has heard some things today and he feels Roddy has had others do his dirty work, and that he is a very strong player. Ans if amy ends up going so be it. Gerry says "here is what you should do - after noms, throw your door open, that in part played in my decision, because Lisa came right to me" Jason says that may all change...... Gerry tells Jason that Amy said she might have put up Jason vs Josh, Jason says that amy told him already. Gerry says talking about couples he feels Marcell is a much stronger player when Amy is not there. Then Gerry talks about how he has discussed in the DR that gay men are much more comfortible with straight women than straight men and therefore with amy in the house Marcel does not have to play as hard with her in the house. Jason again talks about POV, says that he has not told anyone else aobut putting up Roddy and he hopes Gerry will keep it to himself, gerry says "I keep my own council" - he implies he will not share the info. They stand and hug, meeting over... Jason calls Roddy and says "whenever you have a sec...: jason goes to the bathroom..... |
Ryn | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:47 pm     Jason and Gerry are feeding the lizards..... no talk with Roddy yet...
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Strawberry | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:49 pm     Feed 1 - Gerry and Jason in HOH J I have considered everyone G You gotta do what you gotta do J I feel like I have to make a move that will benefit everyone left in the house even if it's not nice. G I think Lisa is a much stronger player now that Eric is gone J I was pleased to see that because yeah it was a safety and you knew E was going to take care of things. G It was a mean scum baggery thing for me to do. I'm with you. I'm not about that. Josh was into that. I am so ashamed that I got into that the 1st week. It goes against everything I stand for. J I don't want to put you on the spot. Please don't let it get out this door. I think I am going to put up R against A. Would you want to win POV and save him? G I doubt very seriously that I would play the POV in that case. J I feel he is a really strong player in this game. Some people have done his dirty work and they have gone. I don't know who is next. He has done everything to a tee. It's a very tough day. G Here is the other thing I advise you to do. This is what I did. After noms come in here and throw your door open. That in no little part played into my decision. Lili came to me right away. I still stand by my decision. I think it was the best thing to do. She thought I was mad at her, but I said no. J That may all change with putting A in a safe spot. G I don't know if you know but A came to me and told me that she was going to put you up against C J I think I would've probably went out that week then. It's a game G It would've been a tough vote for me. J For everyone. Especially since it was Roddy against Chiara because they were connected. G The perception of couples, I think M is a much stronger player when A is not here J That's probably true. He has to be on top of things G This is a whole other personal thing, something they discussed with me in the DR. I have alot of other gay friends and alot of times they are more comfortable w/ straight women than straight men. It is a problem because society looks down on it. When she is gone he has to relate to the rest of us. J Whatever happens happens G No matter what, you have my blessing. Do what you have to do even if you have to put me up J All I ask is if you win the POV, I don't want you to use it. I don't wanna put anyone up, but I feel that A is going to be a safe thing to put up. Please don't say anything G I keep my council J I'm not telling everyone. I just didn't know if you feel that you were going to feel like saving him. G The only reason I would want to get POV is J If you were on the block G Yeah and to have it for the 3rd time. I have silly little goals in this game. Beyond that, it's all in God's hands. If God wants me to win fine and if he doesn't I'm taken care of. Getting in this house...Lori won by getting in this house J I enjoyed it G. I appreciate it. Here let me give you a hug leave HOH and general chit chat about feeding crickets to lizards Now G and J are feeding the lizards |
Draco | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 03:02 pm     Roddy and Jason in HOH. J - I would like to talk to you about noms. R - I am at an all time low in playing the game. More prepared to leave yesterday than anything else. If you are leaning a certain way and you want me to say yes or no I can give an answer. Part of me wants Amy out of here because of chiara but it's not up to me. J - Thinking Amy/Gerry and then the house decides but there are alot of things/undercurrents in the house that I learned today that are a little tough to deal with. R - Things for your friend Roddy to deal with? J - Quite possibly. Almost everyone in house has had tons of questions on what happened the Eric week. Kiki/Roddy both said I love Jason but I can't trust him. That's been really hard to hear that today. (ed: Very nervous...not making much sense here...) It's tough because I'm voting to save you to evict Josh and it made me cry. When you said that you thought it was 5-0 for you it made me feel badly that you didn't trust me. R - Chiara and I had talked about that. I said to you that day and I stick by that. I've talked about it... J - With what intent? R - I said my trust in Jay is gold. D and L bulls**ted her way out of things last week. You were put in a corner and reacted rather than doing something bad. I've said to everyone who asked that I trust you more than anyone in my life. Maybe I'm a bit angry but I can't go back in time. J - There have been a lot of grey areas. R - What? J - You said 2-3 weeks... R - No, I said specifically 3 weeks. if you questioned it I don't understand why that had been changed around? R - We can't go back on the tape but I've been clear J - I was wrong. R - Chiara's risk turned against her when Lisa stayed. Lisa isn't gone and it's obvious what's happened and Chiara was very upset for along time and if anyone wants to say C/R said that and said that it's....when someone is lobbying like that they want to stay in the house. What do you think Jay....if you let gossip make your choices for you...(angry here)....if you pick A/G that's one thing but you could put up the one who lied to her to her face... J - Who's that? R - This is so frustrating...it's like Josh is back in the house....to plant a seed in your head. Chiara brought it up a bunch of times in the house about trust. I don't recall when this conversation happened who was present. I don't know. It's so annoying...if we are going back into this crap. jay there are plenty of things difficult for me with you...I've given you much leeway as possible and to think that this will backfire on me...then I should have been more of a pr**k and if that's going to make me go home it's a terrible reason. J is quiet. Long silence. R - don't you think it's in everyone's best interest to go home. They think I'm smarter or something. This game is survival of the weakest. Whew...this was my first post since BB1. |
Draco | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 03:08 pm     Feeds froze. R and J in a heated discussion still. J - I don't know what kind of deal you have with people here. Do you have deals with anyone? R says he had one deal but doesn't give a name. R - I've been so straightforward with you. Have I don't a thing?? J - I feel like you've talked about me behind my back. R - I was pi**ed off and she was and we were just talking about trust. (angry and swearing a lot) J - I felt very uncomfortable at times. Walked out of live show and as HOH and in the position of throwing deals around. R - I don't understand...there is a special friendship between C you and me. You don't forgive mistakes? If you don't think that the way I treated you and you treated me hasn't been straigtforward and caring..what are you talking about?? That day of the 5-0 thing I didn't mean anything I was just upset. I was scared. J - Me too. I'm terrified in here. R - If you were to say you thought I didn't trust you because someone said on the gossip vine... J - I've heard things here and there and somebody...today i was like give me the story...when they brought it up R - I think it's highly suspect that it was brought up today....C was upset and perhaps I supported her but I said that I though Jay was getting bullied and I haven't lost faith. |
Ryn | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 03:10 pm     Roddy is in with Jason and Jason has implied that roddy has not been straight up with him. Roddy is understanding the implications and saying that Jason should believe him, not all the rumors. Roddy is pretty upset. Roddy now saying that if this what the case is then perhaps he should have been more of a 'prick' to Jason and not given him as much leeway as he has. R - don't you think it is to everyones advantage if I go, that they all think I am smarter? R - its survival of the weakest, if you don't have people that you can trust then you won't be here in the end. Roddy says that Jason and Chiara promised amongst themselves not to nominate each other. J - here is another thing, you go around just before HoH and secure a promise not to be nominated by everyone else if he would not put them up if he won. R says he has not done any deals but once when he was HoH. (ed - big tim PP - they are talkign fast) R - I have been so straight forward with you, have I done a thing? J - I think you have talked behind my back... R - is blaming that in Chiara... R - if you don't believe me then jsut say it... J - then I guess I don't R - says that the more you deny it the worse I feel (even though J just said he didn't deny it). J - says he feels that Roddy was throwing deals around. R - do you realize there is a special friendship between you me and chiara R - do you not think I have made mistakes? J - I have made mistakes..... R - that day after the show, I was scared that there was a 5-0 against me, I was just scared (ed - I am getting confused) R - if you were to say because you heard I said I didnt' trust you, to trust gossip...... J - I have heard little things, then today I was like "gve me th estory" when they brought it up. R - I think it i shighly suspect that it came up today, I think its because of things Chiara said and I supported her...... R - if i said things with Chiara out of anger and it came across that way..... J - that person said all kinds of things..... J - we've made some quick fast deals and every time I feel like something is going to come up. R - I won't do that anymore Jason, with eric we did things that way, I won't with you.... (posting) |
Draco | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 03:15 pm     Lost feeds for a minute....still more R/J discussion. R - the deal I had with you... J - I broke it. R - Whatever....those people are gone and the only people left are C and you and I'm floating in the wind...I went from doing quite well in the game until it was revealed we were a power group and it makes me a target...I keep getting put up....all the allies that made it a group are gone. J - Don't you feel like you control this house? R - What? J - Everyone does what you say. I see that. I'm telling you... R - All I did today was take a nap for 3 hours! J - I want to see what everyone is thinking and don't want to make waves but I hear lots of stories.. R - I can't imagine it being lots of people... J - No, talking about other things.. R - Not fair..don't pull a Josh on me...these are things I can't refute. J - You broke my credibility down to other people in the house. They said they were doubting me. All Roddy has to do is say something and everyone believes it? R - I feel I can't believe you'd do so much forgetting and let the first moment of someone lobbying to do their dirty work for them come ahead of our friendship. Do you know what goes on in this house. J - I'm kind of blissfully ignorant. R - I thought G and the couples had a deal but that's gone...last thing was with D.... |
Ryn | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 03:18 pm     Jason... Don't you feel lik eyou control this house? R - how? J - everyone does everything you say.... R - I went and took a nap for 3 hours.... jason talks about his day....how others said things... Roddy says its not fair to "pull a josh on me" to say things he can't refute... J - i feel like roddy has to say the word and people do his wishes... R - continues to lay a guilt trip on jason that he can't believe jason would think all this of him, that al his 'friends' are gone. Roddy says that the only favor still left is that he only has a deal with danielle, not to put her up.
Roddy also said he feels like jason has said he felt just after he wakes up and he was blind-sided, Jason apologizes. Roddy is going through all the game options, that Roddy stuck up for Jason when it was suggested that he be put up (by Gerry?). Roddy says he believed in Jason, he said that Chiara suggested putting up Jason and that roddy talked her out of it. |
Draco | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 03:21 pm     There's so much discussion...this is hard! R - I believe in you that you made a mistake. I absolutely believe in you. No doubt. I said to C I trust the kid. You don't think I could have gotten C to put you up on the block and have a beautiful story about you to tell J - Well you did tell it. R - Josh told everyone that Eric had your word and told it to every single person in the house and did his best...I said J was in a corner and was pressured and lashed out because you didn't know what else to do. J - Yeah. R - It has been asked if I trust Jay I said I believe in you. I completely completely trust you. If you make a mistake that's fine... J - It's human and I'm faulted. R - Maybe you listened to Josh and were backed in a corner and had to make a decision. I've made a thousand good comments about you. I've been consistent and straightforward. Jay not getting the chance to say much. Roddy talking quickly and repeating himself. |
Seamonkey | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 03:26 pm     Came in after Roddy/Jason convo started, so hope someone else is typing it up already. Roddy was being pretty aggressive, saying that LONG silence.. Jason is steady. Jason breaks the silence and then brings up hearing Roddy say several weeks, including this one, right before HOH comp that "if you get HOH, you won't put me up.. right??" Sounded like he did it to Jason and he knows Roddy did it to others. Roddy again, aggressive.. talk about Roddy and Chiara telling people to beware of Jason, that Jason lied and betrayed them, etc. Telling Jason he's putting Roddy into a bad place. Jason apologizes (ed. not sounding a bit contrite), Roddy "accepts" the apology. He mentions Roddy coming in with deals and I think talking about Roddy bringing out the Woobie? Roddy is saying that jason cannot say there was a special relationship between jason/roddy/chiara.. a definite whine in his voice. Roddy claims to be terrified in there, etc. Jason says him too. Jason says he's felt bullied.. Roddy says if jason thinks he lied he's making a mistake, also says that some of what Roddy did was support Chiara, misinterpreted. Lots more being said, hope several posters are getting it. Jason says lots of quick words/nods.. but no promises. Roddy says he and Eric were like that, didn't think Jason required more. Jason suspects Roddy has deals with everyone.. Roddy mentions the deal Roddy had with Jason was for 3 weeks. All other people gone. Has deal with Lisa and Jason. (ed. not mentioning any deal with Marcellas) Jason, don't you feel right now, Roddy, that you control this house. How do I do that? Jason says everyone does everything you say. Jason doesn't want to make lot of waves, talking to people, lots talking in his ear (about Roddy) Marcellas says emotionally charged with Chiara. Roddy implies couldn't be lots of people.. then says Jason shouldn't bring up things Josh said. Jason says things that were said by Roddy and Chiara said about not trusting Jason.. that ruins Jason's credibility in the house. Roddy's now whining and saying Jason caught him fresh out of bed, and he cannot believe Jason is agreeing with lobbying. Do you think if everyone was at my beck and call, it wouldn't be clear to everyone? Jason says he's been "blissfully ignorant".. Roddy says there was something with Gerry but that was about couples and they are gone.. then mentions having something with Dani.. she told Roddy if he didn't put her up, she owes him one.. he says could mean nothing.. Jay, you have to go by how you feel,... if you think I'm doing something bad. Jason says he doesn't trust his own emotions in the house. Roddy says what about the hundred thousand good things I've said about you and you just talk about that one? Jason says Roddy is using his feelings toward Roddy. Roddy says he came to Jason and said all the guys are behind you.. (Roddy earlier said his alliance is all gone) Roddy says he told Jason he believed in him, on game level ... and brings up Chiara again and that HE said keep Jay in the house.. the girl was doubting everyone else's feeling. Josh told everybody and said Eric had Jason's word. That set Chiara off. Roddy is saying that Jason was put in a corner and lashed out.. and that Roddy stood up for Jason with Chiara and others.. Roddy says he has approached Jadon since and said he knows Jason made a mistake but Roddy still trusts him. Roddy says if he made a mistake and didn't tell people that, "kid made a mistake, put in a corner" if I didn't tell them that, I'd be lying. So frustrating.. that you thought Chiara was your friend. Jay says yes.. then if I said Chiara didn't think you were a friend you'd be like "what?". This is like that.. Roddy is amazed.. Then says nobody was safe with Chiara's nominations.. but Roddy saved him.. "she put ME on the block"..' Jason.. feels like it is a manipulation when you come to me and say "I saved you". Maybe Kiki told me.. I knew that you supposedly "saved" me. Part of Roddy knows Jason has skepticism.. I hope you believe in me, like I believe in you.. wish I had this place wired.. people said they'd do their best.. do you think I have any juice here, would those people be gone??? You have my word on being straightforward with you, that I trust you. How could you doubt it, considering the way I feel about you. Roddy says if that isn't enough for Jason, he doesn't know what to do. (something about a "man's man). If I tell you I'm gonna do something, I'm gonna do it. I have not deviated. I know you are worried and in a strange spot. more in here.. basically that Jason is misunderstanding, misinterpreting, Roddy's words. |
Draco | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 03:27 pm     R - Jay you have my word that I trust you and believe in you. I don't know how you could doubt it considering how I feel about you. If you don't think I've been honest with you I have nothing else to offer you. I've been myself, straightforward, and honest...and if people think I'm Dr. Evil and making plans behind their back...well there's nothing I can do. I completely trust you...I told you that day and I'll tell you now but I do. I've never met someone like you. J - Character is important in this game... R - The less you play the game the better you do... J - That's what I've been doing... R - Everyone has been playing at certain times. I'm very upset right now. Jay I completely completely trust you (repeating himself again, nothing new, blaming Josh) You have an Oliver Stone thing going where you think I have plans in 9 different languages. C is gone. How could I have something set up here? Silence. |
Ryn | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 03:28 pm     Roddy is going on and on and on....... still talking about how he trusted Jason, how he defended Jason when he didn't vote to evict Eric, that he was bullied into a promise..... Now talking about Chiara - how Jason would feel if chiara stood up and said that Jason wasn't really her friend. Once again re-hashing how twice he helped keep Jason off the block Jason says that he feels Roddy even telling him was an attempt to manipulate him to feel like he owes Roddy... Roddy says he never told Jason about Chiara possibly putting him up, Jason said that it must have been Chiara. R - Jason you have my word about being straight forward with you, if you don't feel I have been, if thats not sufficient, I've been straight forward, honest, if I am seen as Dr Evil, I can't help that, I completely trust you ........ (ed - on and on and on) Jason points out that roddy brings in character, that thats outside the game..... Roddy says he will stop.. Jason says sorry his feet are dirty... Roddy (with his sarcasm) - thanks for telling me about your feet Roddy says Jason has an "oliver stone going" with his conspracy theories... he pauses, breaths, talks about friendship, rtc etc.....level of honesty, being a good person, that he does not mean to distract from it. R- I'll say for the third time I completely trust you..... (ed - on and on - posting - sorry he is talking in circles) |
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