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Lisad

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa said a few minutes ago that Amy would have the spray bottle set on a sharp stream and spray the lizards in their eyes with it. She sounded pretty adamant to where her voice got louder, etc. Like Amy would do this deliberately.

I'll have to go look for the feed transcripts, but Dani chimed in a bit on this in agreement but wasn't aware of the eyeball spraying.

If that happened, that's pretty disturbing. Don't know why I'm posting this - but it was something I just heard Lisa say and I thought it was a pretty intense statement. Yipes!

Lisad

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, I feel bad for the Lizards as they are totally ignoreing them and not taking them out of their 'pen'. I thought Josh wanted to bring them home with him. Perhaps BB will give them to Josh when it's over. I'd just like to see someone take them out for a few minutes. :( At least they get to hear their voices for some semblance of interest.

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw it happen one night on the feeds- it was mentioned in one of the threads. She deliberately sprayed one hard in the face and Jason got upset with her. It was recent- the night after the kiss stuff. He took the spray bottle away from her and made her leave them alone.

Oregonfire

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wasn't she the one frying ants as well? I'm not going to draw too many conclusions here, but anyone else is free to do so.

Jeeny98

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I heard her say, on the live feeds, that she if she had a gun, she'd shoot them. I was wondering myself, if Arnold heard her, or if he'd say anything to her. I guess not, because she continued to talk badly about the lizards and abuse them.

She also said something about frying them and eating them.lol
That's one of the reasons why I don't like Amy. Because early in the game, she had used that big magnifying glass to burn bugs or spiders. Plus, her family thinks it's okay to kill doves. A bird of peace. lol. Okay, I'm a Northerner. I just don't get it. We have grocery stores for our food here.

I know some people wouldn't agree with me, but I still think that was a pretty mean thing to do. And they way she would talk about the spiders. About wanting to pull their legs of or shoot them.

Pie_Eyed

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This really bothers me. People claim to be animal lovers and then they can be so cruel to a couple of reptiles. Why does BB think it is necessary to plant these poor beasts in the house anyway? PETA needs to get on Arnold Shapiro's case.

Trulyscrumtious

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I absolutely hate anything reptilian. If I was Amy, I woulda turned around and ran screaming from that house the first night! Geez, what's next? First they give them Pugita, a so-ugly-she's ADORABLE dog, that was pretty cool. Then they gave them a PIG?!?! What the? And now this year...LIZARDS? What's next, a big Boa for BB4?

Yeah, like I said, I'd be running for the hills the second I saw those things. Sorry, but like I said, I hate all things reptilian, those suckers wouldn't last about 5 minutes if I found them in my back yard, lol.

Trulyscrumtious

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, like I said above, those things freak me out, but I would have to agree with you Pie_Eyed. PETA should get on Shapiro's case about this.

Forcing people whom they have NO CLUE whether they are lovers of all Gods creatures (insects, reptiles, etc., etc., etc.,) or not, to live with and have to take care of a dog or a cat is one thing. Who could possibly resist a cute little dog or cat, if you have a heart it's virtually impossible not to fall in love with them! But expecting them to take care of, and be all lovey dovey towards lizards and pigs (and God knows WHAT next) is another.

As someone who is literally petrified (practically phobic), of anything insect-like or reptilian, I have a REALLY hard time believing that people care for such creatures. But it's quite obvious (from the booming exotic pet business here at least), that people do, and if I was one of them, I guess I'd be rather pi$$ed as well.

Countrymeadow

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes the dove is the bird of peace. I always enjoy seeing them in our trees. Did y'all know that they mate for life? So while Amy and her family is out killing innocent birds ( who really arent good for eating because they have very little meat on them )she's also destroying something very rare and precious in nature.

Trulyscrumtious

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I feel the same way about Lobster. Not really good for eating. Why anyone would want to go through all that trouble for such little meat is beyond me. But lots of people LOVE lobster. Who am I to tell them they are wrong. It's one of God's creatures just the same. Just not pretty.

PS...A lobster comes to a much crueler end than a dove.

Seamonkey

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree.. Shapiro is exploiting the animals.

I also find it amusing that something said in the house like this is repeated and amplified as gospel truth. I was also watching that night and Jason was finding fault with Amy's words, as if the lizards would have hurt feelings. I think the producers were watching out for the lizards since Amy(BB Amy) had lizards at home.

I've heard Lisa and Dani say mean things about the lizards as well.

The other night Dani assumed that Amy had taken some items from the house. If Jason hadn't fessed up, I'm sure there would be a thread a mile long about how Amy should be co-tried with Wynona Ryder for this act.

OK.. I'm in a sarcastic mood tonight, but just because on a night when Jason couldn't find one thing that Amy did or said to be right and took the spray bottle, now we have Lisa claiming that she put their eyes out.. and then someone acting like she had a gun in the house and was actually going to shoot and cook the lizards. Right.

Wendo

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I saw a couple of incidents with the lizards and Amy. And, I watched the one above where she was squirting them in the eye and Jason "scolded" her. However, I, too, found it rather disturbing when she was burning bugs and ants with the magnifying glass. I know they're just bugs, but, isn't that something kids do? Aren't you supposed to grow out of that? I didn't like Amy quite as much after that. I mean, I like her, but...it just bothered me.

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She did not put their eyes out but she sprayed them directly in their eyes with the hard spray of the bottle. I was watching and I also heard Lisa and Jason talk about it later.

This was not "saying mean things about the lizards". This was mistreatment of them. It might have been cool with some but it was not cool with me. I mentioned it in the thread I was in.

Sybilbb3oracle

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh how soon we forget! Do you remember the lizard trial with Judge Roddy? The trial was because Amy was petting the lizards and trying to make friends when the lizared just up and defecated on her. Don't blame her for hating the lizards myself. Lizards have protective eye-lids that close instantaneously when touched by anything,including a stream of water. Lighten up. Nasty creatures remind me of "Golum" in The Hobbit.

Onlyhuman

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep, that's Amy...alcoholic, abuser of animals, flasher of cameramen and innocent virgins.

Gee...I wonder why Amy doesn't want to vote for Danielle to win the money anymore?

Crossfire

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've said this before, I personally wish they would just keep animals out of the house period.

Lizards or whatever the heck they are, in my opinion do not need human attention, they should be tossed back into whatever hole they were pulled out of.

Unfortunately, these ones probably have no idea how to look after themselves anymore if they ever did.

Onlyhuman

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oops, my apologies, I just realized that it was Lisa repeating this.

I take back my dig at Danielle.

I better go to bed now, my aching head is causing me to post irrational things...

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Problem with your statement Onlyhuman is that it is Lisa who was talking about Amy and what she did to the lizards and not Dani at all.

Scorpiomoon

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Countrymeadow's post brought back memories.

When Amy would talk about dove hunting--and having to kill 15 just for a meal--I felt sad and disturbed.

Maybe it's just me, doesn't it seem a bit hypocritical that Amy treats her dog like a child yet has so little respect for all other animals?

Koh

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess it is okay to buy meat at a store or eat it in a restaurant, but God forbid you actually kill the animal yourself!!! People, the meat you purchase does come from animals, duh.

Trulyscrumtious

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When you say animals...do you mean ALL God's creatures? I mean, technically, is an insect an animal in your opinion?

To me, they are all one in the same. A big ole Black Widow Spider is still a living breathing God created creature. BUT...let me find one in my house and the thing would be toast in under 30 seconds.

I am a lover of animals, big time. My cats are spoiled beyond belief. They follow me from room to room and fall asleep cradled in my arms late at night. Not a night goes by that I am not woken at least half a dozen times with the feeling I am being smothered to death by one of them sprawled across my neck purring away. And there isn't a morning that I don't wake up to all 4 of em glued to some part of my body, lol.

I adore them and detest anything slimey, scaley or creepy crawly, and in my heart of hearts, I do not feel like a hypocrite. I guess some would think me one, but...well...I guess I can live with that, just so long as you don't ask me to let some freaky/scaley/cold blooded/creepy crawly/slimey creature move in too.

Scorpiomoon

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Koh: Doves are considered "threatened or endangered" (depending on the state). Chickens, pigs and cows are not.

Scorpiomoon

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Truly: I'm not saying someone who likes certain animals and dislikes others is a hypocrite.

The title of this thread is: "Amy Was Mean to the Lizards?????". My point is, how can Amy be "mean" to certain animals, yet treat her dog in the exact opposite manner?

Unless you are making a conscious effort to hurt or kill the "slimey, scaley or creepy crawly" animals you dislike, I'd say you have no reason to be offended.

Trulyscrumtious

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP

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I'd say you have no reason to be offended.


I agree. I wasn't offended in the least. I was just trying to use my behaviour (in regards to certain species), as a way to explain my reasons for not thinking Amy is a hypocrite.

In hindsight, maybe I shoulda just said "Nope, I don't think she's a hypocrite". Woulda saved me a lotta typing that's for sure, lol.

Bernie

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sorry, but isn't dove just another name for pigeon? It is, I've just looked them up in an animal encyclopedia, and they are far from endangered. In Europe they're pests, and right here in my back yard they've befouled everything, and taken over my bird feeders, so that the smaller birds I set out the seed for starve in winter. Since pigeon pie is mentioned in nursery rhymes, it seems that they've been on the menu for a very long time, along with pheasants, partridge, grouse, chickens, turkeys....and many more animals. We're omnivores.

The spraying took place once, and it was the infamous night of the so-called internet kiss, when everyone had something to drink, and was acting silly. Since Jason took care of the lizards every day, I seriously doubt that Amy ever had the opportunity to do much to them. She made no secret of her dislike for them, and avoided them, and both Danielle and Lisa hate having them in their bedroom. I've heard them on more than one occasion complain about the smell and the noise.
I'd rather take BB to task for placing the animals in harm's way. It's irresponsible to expect people with no experience of a particular creature to do a good job of taking care of them. How many times have they had panic attacks because they thought one of the lizards had died? At least twice that I heard myself on the live feeds.

Furthermore, since Amy is outside of the house, I would think that this thread belongs there also.