Danielle sends e-mail to amycrews.com
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Danielle sends e-mail to amycrews.com
Shortnsweet | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 11:58 am     Willow, I too think this should have remained a private matter between Dani and Amy. But I also thought the e-mail was worded as a public e-mail, not a personal one to Amy, because there were statements like, "What you guys didn't know" and "Regardless what you Amy fans think about me". I am glad you posted it, but I am not glad that this has turned into another excuse to bash Amy and Dani. It would be great if Amy's reply was short, sweet (like her) and ended this whole thing. |
Kristylovesbb | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 12:09 pm     Spot, I don't believe for one moment that Dani was able to stay in the house because of her trashing people. I believe she could have won the game had she not done this. Her trashing COST her the game. They all talked about each other, to some degree, but Dani went way overboard while pretending to be their friend. When the hgs got out of the house they realized how two-faced Dani really was and that is why they did not vote for her, IMO. |
Gina8642 | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 12:09 pm     Willow, don't beat yourself up over it. I think what you did was fine. I was very glad to see Dani's response and I took it as a positive. It left me with a more positive opinion of Dani than I had previously. Personally, I would also love to see Amy's response. However, I do believe no matter what Amy says, a few people will take the opportunity to rip it to shreds. Oh well, I guess that is human nature. I guess you should leave the choice up to Amy. Anyway, thanks for posting Dani's letter. I personally enjoyed getting the opportunity to read it. (And, thanks to Dani for sending it!) |
Realrealityfan | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 12:10 pm     Willow - Or maybe it would be best to let this whole thing be finished and not publish Amy's reply...Some seem to forget that what occured in the chat was a reply to a question that was asked of Amy.. She didn't bring up the subject..She just answered truthfully what happened.. This was not a prepared statement about Danielle by Amy BUT Danielle's reply was!!! Since we know that Kent has been able to have personal contact with BB Staffers, if Danielle really wanted to contact Amy she could have found a way to do so without doing it on the internet.. |
Risa | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 01:02 pm     I agree with whoever pointed out the differance between Amy and Dani's drinking in the house. Amy is not someones'mother, that is why Dani's behavior iratated many more viewers. Also spending the whole time in the house reminding people what a bad mother Tonya is, then acting that way on live feeds. Yes we knew you had "needs" Dani but we didn't need a demonstration. |
Avrey258 | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 01:26 pm     Just because you're a mother you should behave yourself better than someone who is not? I totally disagree with this concept. Why are mothers constantly held to this higher standard? Amy and Dani are both adult women. They made the choice to drink and both acted poorly at times. I am certainly not going to bash one and give the other a pass because one gave birth and the other didn't. What century is this???? |
Risa | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 01:37 pm     The differance should be obvious. Amy did not have a teenage daughter watching her mother then going to school the next day and facing her school mates. A new school at that. Even if the girl missed the live tapes , I'm sure there were plenty of kids to tell her about it. That is the differance. |
Scarlett | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 02:13 pm     I agree a lot with Cmore's post. I think Dani tried to model her gameplay after Will. The only thing she did not understand is that Will did not affect the evictions. He was never a determining factor in the sequence of evicted HG's. He just rode whatever wave he needed to in order to stay in the game. Dani, however, was instrumental is most of the evictions. That, by itself, would lend itself to those taking it more personally. I honestly think the second thing that affected Dani is that she let a youth slip by with an early family. I think she honestly had a few jealousy issues with Amy that caused her to make digs at her. She could have with Lisa and Chira, but they had supporters. It was not "PC" to bash them. If you notice, her criticisms of Amy were those of a "woman". She flashes, she flirts, she drinks, she jokes. That is what most young unattached women do. This does not mean I do not like Danielle. I think she is a very bright woman. I do however think she has issues in "mocking" people. The way she goes about it is very YOUNG. By that I mean, when you are young you tend to make insults, jokes, jabs....just a tad more personal.'= I just think Amy was a lot of what she perceives herself to be: Youthful, funny, clever and endearing. No, I am not a die-hard Amy fan. She had her faults. But I think she was an EASY scapegoat for the jealousy and insecurities of others because she gave credence to any of the personal observations the HG's had about her. By doing this she became an easy target for their frustrations. That leads me to why Danielle felt she could yell at Amy versus the others. Amy took it in the house, so she should take it outside of the house. Danielle would have never gone up to ANY of the others with this hostility. But she had plenty of pent up hostility. From her perspective she played a good game. From her perspective, she played like Will. But no one save Jason voted for her. Because she could not get satisfaction from anyone else, she decided to go after the good ole scapegoat HG. Some of you find that wrong. But remember, it takes to to set up a unhealthy relationship. Amy has set many of these up herself by allowing the HG's to abuse her as they have. One may call it a strength to forgive easily and often. I think, in her case, she may need to learn to cut loose those who use her so casually. Sorry for the ultra long post. |
Cmore | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 02:18 pm     Avrey258 Wrote: "Just because you're a mother you should behave yourself better than someone who is not? I totally disagree with this concept. Why are mothers constantly held to this higher standard?" Who did Amy have to embarrass besides herself? On the other hand most mothers want to protect their children from seeing lewd acts of behavior by adults. So I do believe that most mothers are held to higher moral standards, than single women are. That is something determined by society in general. For example say a single woman goes to a bar and spends the entire day, while a married or divorced woman drops her children off with her sister and spends the entire day in a bar. They both did the same thing, but from a moral standpoint they are on two different planes. Along with being a mother, comes the added responsibility of caring for and protecting your children. |
Risa | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 02:33 pm     Thank You Scarlett for putting into words what I have thought so often. I screamed at the tv so many times"Amy stop forgiving these jerks". I will never understand how Amy could say she knew how bad Roddy, Mars and Chiara treated her and then hang out with them outside the house. But then again that is her choice not mine, I just looked at her as kind of one of my daughters who are the same age and it bothered me.Just because you don't have sense enough to not become a target does not give others the right to make you one. |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 02:34 pm     I have to disagree, maybe because I don't think either of the housemates being discussed did anything "wrong". They drank too much and acted silly or even a little pathetic. Many times in the house they, as well as the other HGs, acted silly or pathetic without being drunk. To me, it was never all that big of a deal. Could Danielle's daughter be embarassed by her behavior? Sure. But teenagers are sometimes embarassed by the fact that they have parents at all, so it's nothing all that traumatic. She won't be scarred for life. She may even get a better understanding of her mother as a person. The ONLY thing that bothered me was that Danielle chose to judge Amy (and, from the contents of her letter, is still continuing to judge Amy) for exhibiting behavior she too exhibited. To me, hypocrisy is what's wrong with the situation, not their behavior while drinking. |
Risa | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 03:12 pm     This is wise thinking OH. I find nothing wrong with drinking either until it becomes public fodder, then I have a problem with it. I would never have even mentioned Dani's drinking if she did not continue to remind us all through the series what a great mother and christian she was and how shameful Amy and Tonya's behavior was. Since Dani made it the issue to talk about them, she got talked about in return. In other words, if you start something , you should be prepared to finish it. |
C1mag | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 03:49 pm     Thats odd Risa.. Througout the series she mentioned how "shameful" amy was? Dang I watched it religiously and I only recall one night when amy was slinking around in a white dress acting ridiculous that she imitated her which was hilarious. The next night she did the same imitation to her face. So she hid nothing from Amy in regard to that and I don't recall anytime that Dani knocked her. Thats another mistake many have made. You've over blown that enigma called Dani. Even the night she herself got drunk. It was close to their final days in the house. It was late at night. They were in bed. The lights were out. Unlike amy She wasn't hanging on some man nor begging for everyone elses alcohol. She was talking about her husband. There was a big difference. Not the best moment for someone but never deserved the over play it got. What Amy pulled everytime she had a drink in her hand was a true embarassment. Even her buddy Marcellus slammed her for her behavior. I believe he even called her a fat ass pig. Something Dani did not call her. Now as for Tonya... The woman told the world and Dani that she was loaded on drugs each time she concieved her kids. Uh... I think that merrits some type of negative response. It isn't exactly the words of mother of the year. There was NOTHING that Dani did that would make a person question her parenting skills. Tonya on the other hand opened the door to criticism as a mother based on remarks such as that. It has amazed me how Dani snow balled to be this wicked woman with a tongue full of venom and the truth is she wasn't half of what she was made out to be. It's over. She won second place. She stayed to the end. My suggestion is to let it go. I still can't believe this started out about a discusion about an appology and it became some viewers right to slam the woman who won second prize from a bunch of hypocrites. |
Seamonkey | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 04:11 pm     I guess I have a slightly different definition of what is "hilarious". I felt sickened and sad and angry that night. Amy was everyone's goat that night and nothing about the mocking seemed the least bit amusing to me. That was also the night that Lisa and Dani decided that Amy flashed the cameraman, even though neither one of them could have seen it. I thought it was humorous when Amy fell out of the hammock, which she took in good grace, but the mockery didn't give me a giggle. C1, seems like you just slammed 11 people as hypocrites.. so what is the difference? |
Cmore | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 04:41 pm     "C1, seems like you just slammed 11 people as hypocrites.. so what is the difference?" C1, I have to agree with Seamonkey, why is it ok to slam 11 other houseguests, but unfair for anyone else to state their opinions about 1? Its just as unpleasant for Tonya fans to see and read negative remarks about Tonya as it is for you to read negative remarks about Dani. I see no difference at all. |
C1mag | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 05:11 pm     Sea you thought it was humorous when Amy fell out of the hammock while Roddy sat there and didn't help her up because she was making such a blithering fool out of herself? And not once in your lifetime have you EVER imitated one of your friends that was sooooo drunk they probably couldn't even tell you there own name? <mod> She was no ones scape goat that night. They were BEGGING her to go to bed. She deserved every last word they said. If they thought she flashed the camera guy who's to say she didn't? Can you say for certain she didn't? I saw her more than once give a boob shot without realizing it. <mod> I still am questioning how a thread that was intiated for the comments about an email became a slam on Dani. Now did I say it was WRONG to slam the woman? NOPE although it's repeatitive so you might as well open up a slam thread for her, but in this case Amy was the Furthest thing from an angel while in that house.... Just wondered how it ended up in this thread.... and Tonya being upset for something written on the internet that was truth? hahahahaha Marcellus called her a almost every night she was in the house. Let her fans deal with that issue lol!!<mod>. The mail is the issue in this thread or it was. |
Risa | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 07:13 pm     Please, you can rationalize Dani's behavior 'till the cows come home. Nothing ever"merits" Dani's kind of behavior. Amy did nothing to Dani or Marc to deserve the treatment she received from these two yahoos. The idea Amy would even talk to them now is beyond me. Falling out of a hamock hurt no one but Dan's constant bad bashing and imitations did. As for Tonya, Dani should have let it go after the woman left the house but she didn't, she kept reminding viewers week after week on live feeds and the show.Tonya talking about herself is her right not Dan's. I'm so disgusted rehashing this pathedic woman. |
Seamonkey | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 07:28 pm     Nope. I can't remember one single time imitating a friend (or anyone) who was drunk, and I don't know of anyone mocking me either. Why would I? I'm not kidding, I'm truly puzzled. Yes, I did think it was funny when Amy fell out of the hammock (and I thought it was funny when Vern Yip, undoubtedly sober, was dumped by a similarly tippy hammock). Since they didn't see Amy, why should I believe them?? Amy said she didn't. It certainly wasn't shown on any of the quadcams, I was watching. So the benefit of the doubt says she didn't. Amy was already being dissed by Lisa and Dani about the clothes shopping. Yes she asked for drinks and people gave them to her. This was also at a time when Marcellas and Dani especially were TERRIFIED every time Amy talked to Roddy, and Lisa was a bit jealous, it seemed, since she was having long long undercover talks with Roddy. So.. I think their "concerns" were more along the line of Amy doing somthing that might rock their boat with the next veto/eviction. I didn't bring up Tonya and I gather she told them about being on cocaine when she conceived her kids. I missed that on live feeds and in live feed postings. The first time I heard of it was after she walked out of the house, evicted, and Dani was on the basketball court and I guess felt like she needed to justify voting Tonya out and started telling the story to others and talking about how awful it was for Tonya's kids to know they weren't wanted (Dani's word.. I think they were unplanned, just as Dani's first daughter was, but..) . Just because Tonya had told the story didn't make it a good thing to repeat it, but it is correct that Tonya has only herself to blame. I can't remember ever saying Amy was an angel, far from it. Yep, the mail was the issue that started the thread. I read the mail and commented that it went a long way in helping Dani to start communicating with Amy, but I couldn't see where Dani really got what might have hurt Amy. I think Amy will deal with any issues she has with Marcellas; she doesn't need anyone else to help. I just wonder why 11 people are hypocrites?? |
Risa | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 07:42 pm     Exactly Smonk. The hg's have a perfect right to vote any way they want without explanation. |
Realrealityfan | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 08:12 pm     AND 10 BB1ers, 12 BB2ers, and 12 BB3ers..and out of the 34, only 1 made a drunken spectacle out of themself by making out with a pillow (a polite way of saying exactly what she was doing) in full view of all the people in the control room and all those watching on the live feeds. Lest we forget how she embarrassed Julie C by the "sex" remark on the live tv show... |
C1mag | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 08:24 pm     Realfan...hmm... I saw Chiara hump a chair, moan like a b@tch in heat and scream.. do it...do it.. over and over. I watched her turn to Dani and tell her she wanted to eat her box. All in front of the camera's. Chiara was allegedly stone cold sobber at the time. Many more times I could point to where this particular hg was just absolutely repulsive with no excuse other than thats just who she is. Cast the first stone please... Again the enigma of dani is much bigger than what she was all about. Sea.. Dani did not need to tell the house what Tonya had said about the coke and the kids. Tonya told it to all the girls in a gal chat fest. Dani never started the rumor. Risa you are right... However they did give their reasons and they were completely hypocritical as sighted by many critiques of the show. I'm sorry but I don't recall Dani starting one bad conversation about Tonya after she left. It was always someone else bringing her name up and then she explained what she too thought of her. Thats basically what Dani did. Marcellus would illicit the trash talking and if Dani joined in then she became the author. Many times I heard the woman tell Marcellus and Amy to lighten up on both Chiara and Tonya. That goes over with a thud and is a subject that is moot in most debates. Again I will say.. The enigma called Dani is much bigger than what it was. If she had been a man and played the way she did she would probably have won the game. |
Maris | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 08:46 pm     Actually tonya said she did Coke on one of her pregnancies not all of them. Dani frequently made remarks about Amy's drinking andthe fact is dani got drunk much more frequently than Amy did. Another night Dani was drunk in case you forget was the night the women were comparing sexual experiences. There was Dani's 9 orgasims in one night, Dani doing it on top of a car with someone. Yes there was the night she talked about having needs oh no.....she said that quite a few times. None of this would mean anything except for the major fact that Dani criticized others behavior and she more than matched all the behavior she criticized. She had no problem moralizing about others behaviors and yet made excuses all the time for her own. Tonya was a yet she got pregnant at 15. Amy was a drunk yet she was the one screaming for libations and embarrassing herself far worse than Amy ever did. She dissed Roddy for using people and being untrustworthy and she did the same as he did. So she reaps what she sows. if she couldn't take the heat she never should have gone into the fire. |
Trulyscrumtious | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 08:55 pm     I'm sorry, but just because a critic says something is hypocritical, well...that don't make it so. Critics are human beings with their personal opinions, nothing more, nothing less. No different than every single one of us here. Their opinion holds no weight with me, no more than the next guys anyway. You could line up a thousand critics who all feel like the ex-houseguests were hypocritical, and I could find just as many people who give these critics opinions no more significance than 'Joe Shmoe's' from Kokomo. Also, and I'm sorry, but I just have to say this...I've self edited myself up the wazoo around here making sure I don't comment on any poster as a person while trying to just debate what the issue at hand may be. Yet, I am becoming increasingly fearful of even doing THAT now. I feel I have every right to discuss this e-mail in this thread, as that is what this thread is all about. But now, I am too afraid to do so in fear of being told there is something ungodly wrong with me for wasting my time with this any longer. Well, sorry, but it's my time and if I feel like discussing this and am being civil to everyone involved in said discussion...well...why am I being made to feel like there is something wrong with me as a person for wanting to do so? There's nothing wrong with me, simply put, I am interested in anything Amy related and just happen to have an opinion on this. I thought this was the place to discuss this without being told to get over it already. There is nothing to get over, I have an opinion, so sue me. |
Seamonkey | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 09:21 pm     C1, the conversation I'm talking about was after Tonya left the house and was between Jason and Dani on the basketball court and Jason hadn't heard about it previously and was pretty obviously embarrassed, so.. yes, Dani did pass along the dirt. I didn't say she started a rumor in THIS case but she definitely broadcasted the dirt on Tonya, and, from what Maris just said, may have magnified it by three. But, more important, it was cruel, it embarrassed Jason, and it was TOTALLY unnecessary since Tonya wasn't in the house any more. |
Risa | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 10:12 pm     I love the postings and agree with almost all. I really don't care who humps what and who drinks what or sits bare ass naked in a tree for that matter. But don't do all that and then have nerve enough to talk about others.I also cannot to this day believe Jason did not see some of Dani's behavior in and out of the house. I lost a great deal of respect for him as well as Dani and Roddy. |
Moderator | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 11:21 pm     Closing this thread now, since it has gone way off the topic of what it was intended for. 007 |
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