Why hgs didn't explain their reasons at the final vote?
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Why hgs didn't explain their reasons at the final vote?
Sonia | Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 01:16 pm     In this same board, there is an interesting discussion about "Did Roddy influence the votes at the final?" Many interesting points have been said about our opinions of the real motivations of each member of jury for all voting for Lisa, without explaining their reasons, unlike in the BB2 final vote. It's something I was really disapointed at the final vote of BB3, comparing to BB2. At BB2 final vote, each hgs said his/her own reasons why he/she votes or didn't vote for Will or Nicole. For BB3 final vote, I was very curious to hear the reasons gave by each hgs explaining their reasons for their own choice. Instead of that, what did we hear, from each one, one after one? "I also vote for Lisa to win BB3." Hum... I would like to hear the little explanation of each one, right or wrong, rationnal or emotionnal, bitter or not, smart or not. Specially about Josh changing his vote at the last minute. Why CBS didn't organise it as BB2 where each hg gave their reasons? It was one of the most interesting part of the BB2 final. Your opinions about it please? Would you also like to hear the reasons of each of the hg at the BB3 final vote? Was it organised by CBS if they didn't? If it was, why do you think CBS didn't let them say it? |
Oregonfire | Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 01:26 pm     That's true, Sonia. Why didn't the HGs give their reasons? That would've answered a lot of questions, or at least satisfied my curiosity. Maybe CBS was afraid that the show wouldn't squeeze in to that one-hour time slot. The finale should've been two hours anyway. |
Shortnsweet | Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 01:43 pm     I figure they actually did give their reasons in the "diary room" entries when they cast their votes, but the producers wanted to keep the suspense up. They wanted people to think that maybe Danielle would win, so they showed each houseguest saying why Danielle might win, instead of why they were voting for Lisa. It made the finale less than final, as can be seen on this board! |
Bastable | Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 01:54 pm     Another brilliant production choice by AS. Increase suspense, decrease fan satisfaction. |
Sonia | Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 02:04 pm     You all make interesting points Oregonfire, Shortnsweet and Bastable. Finally, CBS make more editing than real live show during all season and until the end, even for the final votes. It's true than with all the DR comments of hgs, we could think than Danielle could have some votes. Yes, CBS probably wanted to create more suspense. It works, but as you say so well, we also would appreciate if our curiosity could be satisfied by earing the hgs said themself in front of each other their own reasons. Maybe it was also a question of not enough time in CBS schedule, very possible. |
Wendo | Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 10:29 pm     Bastable said, "Increase suspense, decrease fan satisfaction." The funny thing is, it actually *decreased* the suspense for me. Seeing the finale so slanted toward Danielle made it obvious, to me, that she *wasn't* going to win. I have to agree, I would've liked more explanation from the HG's on why they chose who they chose to win the money. Do it after the votes have been said even. That's why, imo, the finale *should've* been two hours. The shows were really edited well this year, even the live shows. But, imo, they did a poor job with the final show. |
Crossfire | Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 11:05 pm     Yeah, I agree completely, they got the pacing all wrong on that last show. Two hours with the winner revealed fairly early followed by frank commentary and discussion, both group and individual would have been much more to my liking. Skip all the phoney drama they were not kidding anyone. |
Shortnsweet | Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 11:24 pm     Here's an example of what might have happened: HG: "I'm voting for Lisa." BB: "OK, but if you were going to vote for Dani, why would you vote for Dani?" HG: "I'm voting for Lisa, because I don't like Dani anymore." BB: "If someone was to vote for Dani, why do you think they would vote for Dani?" HG: "Well I guess if someone thought that [roll tape] Dani played the best game in the house [end tape] then I guess that person would vote for her." BB: "Now why are you voting for Lisa?" HG: "Because I like Lisa." BB: "We need more than that." HG: "Because [roll tape] Lisa is nice [end tape]." BB: "O.K. Thank you we have enough information, you can cast your vote now." HG: "Don't you want to know why I'm NOT voting for Dani?" BB: "No, please cast your vote now." HG: "O.K." We will never know the truth. We will be left debating the outcome until we get totally sick of eachother. I see little hope of closure! |
Bastable | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 09:14 am     What a brilliant little play, Shortnsweet! Take a bow! That's what happens in a nutshell. We Live Feeders can never watch what we see on TV and in the news the same way again, can we? And thank goodness for that. |
Shadowkat | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 02:11 pm     I wish CBS would put the hgs entire DR votes on the internet after the final show. This way those of us with an interest in the "why did they vote that way" would hopefully get some closure, and CBS/ASP wouldn't have to worry about it being "too boring" to put on prime time. |
Sonia | Friday, October 18, 2002 - 08:14 am     Totally agree Shadowkat. |
Niceguy | Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 11:07 am     I can't believe you folks would actually prefer to see Danielle roasted over the coals by the evicted HG's than to what we had as the finale. Again, I'm amazed by how this year's show has brought out so much venom and vindictiveness. The woman got the 50G's that should be enough. |
Ozarktracy | Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 11:35 am     I agree with Shadowkat. I think it would have been better to see their diary room voting. At least the viewers, fans of the jury, and the jury members themselves, wouldn't have to defend their voting as having NOT been under the influence of Roddy. Maybe their unamious vote was based on something other than what Roddy himself wanted. Maybe it was based on how each of them were treated by the remaining two. I don't think we'll ever know unless there's a reunion show and they show us the DR voting sessions or the jury members just come out and say they did the unamious vote for Roddy (LMAO) or for whatever reason. It would be also interesting to see the chit-chat amongst themselves when they were asking Dani and Lisa their final, prevote questions. |
Shortnsweet | Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 03:47 pm     Niceguy, I think you misunderstand our position. We think they should have shown us the houseguests reasoning for their votes. I don't think any of us "would actually prefer to see Danielle roasted over the coals by the evicted HG's". We just feel like we could have had closure if the actual reasons for the votes had been shown. Also, I think leaving the whole thing up in the air was cruel to Danielle, because she is left with the same questions we are left with. That is why she "yelled" at Amy - she doesn't understand why some people didn't vote for her! |
Niceguy | Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 08:10 pm     Danielle needs to feel the sting of people who aren't willing or obligated to put up with her brand of meaness. If she never develops a conscience that understands why they voted against her thats really too bad. I don't think she ever will. |
Niceguy | Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 08:21 pm     Going back to the Sonia's original thread question: Why hg's didn't... I think CBS didn't like the visual impact of nearly an all white group coming down hard on one black woman. Even with Marcellus there it would not have made especially attractive television. There are clubhouse members who won't agree with that speculation and that's their right. Danielle was ready to raise a ruckus on anyone who wanted to lash out at her Susan Hawk style and when it was clear it wouldn't happen she was stymied, put in a stalemate situation. It was fitting. |
Sonia | Monday, October 21, 2002 - 08:56 am     Shortnsweet wrote: "We think they should have shown us the houseguests reasoning for their votes. I don't think any of us "would actually prefer to see Danielle roasted over the coals by the evicted HG's". We just feel like we could have had closure if the actual reasons for the votes had been shown." Totally agree Shortnsweet. The fact that many ones of us had would like to ear the hgs clearly saying their reasons of vote (as it was made for BB2) has nothing to do with our opinion of who could win. |
Marej | Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 01:35 pm     Did Josh really change his mind on who to vote for at the last minute? |
Risa | Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 02:15 pm     The HG's reasons were self explanitory for me. |
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