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TV ClubHouse: Archive: USA 2002: Outside the House: According to Amy's website she thinks now that Danielle is the devil.: Archive through September 21, 2002

Loppes

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris,
All I can say is God has 20/20 eyesight and he sees (like Dani would say) people's true colors. Of course God listened to us because there are hundreds of thousands of us and only one of her. Money talks, and we know what walks. :)
Lon

Bigbrotherbelle

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, sanfran, she was the third evicted.
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She did not say she watched the first 10 episodes, she said she watched 10 episodes. Maybe her family picked out some and said, "these are very relevant, watch these."
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I am from the south and say "ya'll" everyday, but I don't use it every time I make a post. Maybe I'm a fake.
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Didn't Amy say she has a friend in L.A.? I think her name is Angela.
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Her dad is in contact with the owner of amycrews.com.. which leads me to believe they would know if it's a fake and also leads me to believe that Amy has more info than what's only on the shows. Maybe she made her decision not only based on the 10 episodes, but also based on the internet sites and the live feeds.

Onlyhuman

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bigbrotherbelle, I think you are probably right. I intially assumed that she had watched the first ten episodes and was basing her dislike on them. But, with Beagle's help, I realized that she may have seen the most recent episodes, not to mention she would have gotten input from her mother, so I'm comfortable that she has become aware of the personal nature of Danielle's attacks on her.

BTW, I don't think that Amy will be all that angry with Marcellas because he often mentioned those things in the house and she forgave him for it, so they won't be a shock.

Danielle, on the other hand, would pretty much blindside her, since Amy believed that Danielle really cared about her.

Wendo

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Onlyhuman, You know I disagree with you. The behavior is still the behavior. And just because someone gossips, doesn't mean they don't care for someone. Hurt? Well, she ragged on Danielle in the HOH with Mar one night, talking about Dani's home, finances, etc. That's what I'm talking about. Same behavior, that can hurt someone.

In addition, so what if Amy wouldn't be hurt by what Tonya, Chiara, and Gerry would say. What she said was maybe just as hurtful to them.

Loppes, Anti-Christ? Really? *rolls eyes* Now you sound like Dani yourself.

Chrissie

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I heard that the last guests to leave would be sequestered and not be able to see the tapes. If that is true, it could not be Amy. And I agree with Onlyhuman it is very painful when someone you trust talks about you behind your back and especially when they didn't even have to.

Onlyhuman

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, I know you don't agree with me :) But I still think I have a valid point.

Amy made comments about Danielle one night in the HOH and they were mainly talking about how Danielle appeared to be using the "I am the most in need" strategy and the "mirroring" strategy (i.e. playing race with Marcellas, the parent with Gerry) in the game. They made a point of discussing how they needed to get her out because of this. Name one specific line that was trashing her or her family???

On the other hand, this past week, while spouting off about the "love" she felt for everyone, including Amy, she made a point of repeatedly mocking Amy almost every time Amy was gone from the room. What purpose is that, other than to hurt Amy?

I happen to believe that if you tell someone that you love and care for them, you don't trash them behind their back. You ESPECIALLY don't do that when you've told them that "If I want to say something about you, I'll say it to your face."

My own personal belief is hurting others is never right. But hurting others you claim to care about is despicable. It's why I didn't like Marcellas', Roddy's or Danielle's behavior on a personal level in this house.

Jaysgal

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gosh! First off, I don't know whether or not this is Amy. But is not at all irregular of Amy's nature. Amy could definitely do something like this. It also does sound like Amy, in my opinion. I mean, people don't necessarily write the same way as they speak. I haven't seen any sampling of Amy's writing style for us to affirm or deny this.

Secondly, suppose it is Amy, I'm afraid people are reading too much into her message and failing to apply the same standard to her case.

Here's why: Amy calling Danielle the devil is not any different from Amy calling Roddy the devil. Amy called Roddy the devil but yet did not begrudge him. She didn't call him the devil maliciously. The letter there absolutely shows no body language, emotion or anything like that. If you recall, Amy responded with amazement to the alliance statement from Julie. She praised Danielle. Yet, if one was reading a transcript, one may have read into Amy's words.

But most importantly, if it is justified for Danielle to use the word "devil" or if it is perceived as a mild word used jokingly, why would the rules change with Amy. If anyone should have little criticism, it should be Amy. Why? Because Amy has not professed to be a religious person, nor did she bring in religion into the game (except those instances where she said she had prayed about the POV), so her use of the term devil would have no significance on how much she detested Danielle's practice.

Lastly, it is a game. Part of the game is serving as a juror. We cannot be in each juror's mind to know their true reasons. Amy could easily make a case against Danielle, masking her true intent. Amy's an intelligent woman, though she resorted to drama to play the game.

Trulyscrumtious

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whether people who are less than thrilled with Amy like it or not, the girl is entitled to her opinion, just as they are...just as I am...just as, heck, anyone with a brain and a mouth (or in our cases, at least one finger, internet access and a keyboard), is. :)

Regarding the validity of the note; I have not seen anything from the webmistress to indicate that she would post anything that is deliberately misleading. She's even posted a link to Amy's arrest record at The Smoking Gun.

That, plus the fact that she has an ongoing relationship with Amy's father, and has Hadley's e-mail addy, leads me to believe that it would have been incredibly simple for her to check the validity of that e-mail (Amy's) before posting it on her site. So, I've chosen to believe that's exactly what she's done. And until I am proven otherwise, I've chosen to believe that the note is in fact from Amy.

That said, I'm both tickled pink and saddened that she now knows the truth when in comes to Dani. I believe she (Amy) really cared for her (Dani), and no matter what kind of a brave front she'll put on for the cameras (and given her tendancy to believe she is all the bad things that people say about her), she's gotta really be hurting inside.

My heart not only goes out to her tonight, but aches for her as well. :(

Loppes

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo,
Yes you heard me right on Dani being the Anti-Christ. I've learned a lot from Dani and took a page out of her own book of bile. For example, there are some who quote from the bible and others just spew bile. This is how much I despise the woman.
Lon

Machellewatches

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Loppes-seems they have an anti dani thread going on, have you visited it. Seems it is getting heated over there

Loppes

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Machelle,
You bet, I've been there too. This thread was here prior to the other. If I copy my posts from here, it will be considered double posting.
I was just answering someone who posted to me. Believe it or not, I even stop in the Dani lovers folder, but I think I'm an identified terrorist in there now, so I don't post there. :)
Lon

Lisad

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Loppes - Yea, we realize how much you hate Dani. Trust us! LOL

Machellewatches

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Loppes-not a terrorist-you just have your own opinion. America the beautiful

Hotty_Toddy

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BBBelle is right. Amy's very good friend Angela lives in LA. She was interviewed on the show, remember? I believe Angela's mother has emailed the webmistress of amycrews.com as well and it is on the site.

Loppes

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisad & Machellewatches,
:)
Lon

Kendalia

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I understand how Amy might be feeling about Dani right now, and she has a right to feel hurt. But I do think it's sad if she chooses to focus only on the bad she sees in Dani right now. I honestly and truly believe that, while Dani may have said some things behind Amy's back that she shouldn't have, she really does care about her a lot and meant it when she said she loved her. I think Amy just exasperated her sometimes and she may not have dealt with that in the best way. It doesn't mean all the nice things she said about her weren't genuine. We've all said bad things about people we love, because even with people we love there are going to be things that annoy us.

Yes, she has a right to feel hurt about some of the things she's heard about or seen from Danielle. But I really hope Amy also remembers the affection that was there and doesn't discount it as anything less than genuine--because I think it definitely was sincere.

I'd hate to see their friendship outside the house not develop because Amy couldn't forgive Danielle for some things she said in a very high-stress, unique environment.

Y'all just have to love each other a little more! ;)

Itsallgood

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 07:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The Danielle and Amy friendship was ONE SIDED. Danielle took Amy to the bank with Amy trusting her. Obviously anyone that loves Amy can see this. Amy won't change one bit, you can only hope that Danielle does.

JMHO

Maris

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 07:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
a leopard does not change their spots. I believe with Danielle, what you see is what you get. If I was Amy's mother, I would tell her to stay away from that woman.

Kendalia

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, that's your opinion. Just not mine. I guess I just allow myself to see the good in people while others may not.

Seamonkey

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I often wonder what people who only watch the show on TV think of Dani..

Last night i got a rare email from my brother.

He and his wife life in Fairfield, which is where Dani lives. His comment was:

Been watching Big Bro 3 ? We are rooting against Diablo Dani even if she is from Fairfield.

That was unsolicited; we haven't communicated in anyway about BB.

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As for evicted HG.. IMO they are free to concentrate on anything they want.. Amy is hurt by what she's seen since she left and there is no rule or law that says she is supposed to vote for the person left who hurt her most.. or that Roddy must admire the one who "got him out" and vote for that person..

The game here is to stay in the house and to win over those who don't. Period. Dani's done a great job of staying in the house and seems to be a lock to stay in, but she's failed miserably in part two..

Amy didn't come up with the Devil stuff on her own, just using Dani's words back at her.. oh well.

Kendalia

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just for the record...

I did not mean to imply that I think Amy should still vote for Dani to win the money--I know I wouldn't. Dani did blow that part for herself all on her own. She won't win and she probably shouldn't.

But I am a very feeling person and I feel very strongly that Dani truly cares about Amy. Do I know that for an absolute fact? No. But no one else knows that she doesn't, either. I have seen many sides to Danielle on the live feeds, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Just because the "bad" and the "ugly" are there doesn't mean the "good" isn't too. People are complicated creatures and no one is that one-sided. I think she deserves a little more credit than that.

Why on earth would Danielle "fake" affection towards Amy when she never bothered to fake it towards anyone else she didn't like (can you say Roddy?)? It's not like she ever needed Amy on her good side so she would do what she wanted--the girl never had a vote! The closest thing was when Amy could have used the POV to save Roddy, and they all pretty much left her alone with that decision. So I just don't get it.

And don't tell me it was for her vote at the end, because we all know Danielle hasn't been catering to that crowd.

Katlady53

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kendalia, I think Amy brought out Dani's maternal instinct because Amy is a fairly needy girl. I am not sure I could call Dani's attentions to Amy "affection," though. I think Dani's advice to Amy was not much different from that she would give any other younger woman who she perceived as being insecure. But I don't think Dani would have devoted nearly as much attention to Amy over the past few weeks if there had been more people in the house.

Jaysgal

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Uhmm ... unless you're sceptical about Danielle's own claim, she said she did not care about anyone in that house, except Jason. And then when she brought Lisa into her pack, she told Lisa that she did not and does not care or give a rat a$$ about anyone in that house, except Jason and Lisa.

Kendalia

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal, I took that to mean as far as the GAME was concerned. It doesn't mean she doesn't care about them as people. Give her a break! The woman has feelings!

Marymary

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 12:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You sure,Ken????