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Ryn | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:46 am     Inserting this post for the big gap. According to another part of the board there was a LOT of FOTH during this time, the one comment by posters was that Lisa and Roddy were seen talking when the foth was not on, apparently Lisa was talking about an ex-bf and that was causing the FOTH. Lisa was also teaching Roddy American Sign Language so some saw them making a few signals (nothing too secretive implied - just teaching). Another bit was Amy and Marcel posting. From a thread in the General Discussion area, it does have some editiorial comments but I wanted to fill in the blank so take this post with a bit more tolerance than a normal LFP. Bbnan Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 03:27 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Interesting convo between Roody and Amy. Amy has thought about things more is is now mad again at Marci. Roddy is bad mouthing Marci too. One interesting thing is it is apparent that Roddy still doesn't realize how strong Dani is. He said that Marcellus is pulling the wool over Danielle's eyes. Amy told Roddy ( she is telling him everything!) that Marci told her that it was going to be Dani vs Roddy. Roddi says Dani would be really upset about that...etc. Of course Roddy doesn't know that Dani knows all about it and is okay with it and actually understood. He still doesn't get Danielle's position of strength. Another thing is they both are saying...Let's don't talk about the game..and then they keep talking and talking. Amy says she is glad she is nominated for one reason only...that she won't have to vote against Roddy. |
Grannygrunt | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:05 am     roddy tells dani if he is around she is not going anywhere. roddy working dani. (I hope someone caught that last comment from dani because of the noise of the camera, it is distracting.) roddy thinks there is a blurred line between what you think personal level and game level. roddy hates being 100% ethical coming into this thing. roddy now talking about mar not saying a real good reason why to put him up. everything mar said was "he said, she said" not a real reason. gave no reasons at all. mar lectured roddy about being HOH and giving GOOD reasons and then he doesn't give GOOD reason for putting roddy up. roddy back to HT with mar. and how mar used that. dani said yes he did. good thing that all the info is old now. ( i have to go now be back later) |
Krossd | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:08 am     Same old Roddy dissing Marc (to Dani in kitchen) He told Dani "as long as I am here you aren't going anywhere." D replies, understood. (think at first she thought it meant not going anywhere in the game,but then realized he meant he wouldn't vote her out). R asked, you clear on that? D - yes. (ed. looks like she is trying not to grin, or grimace). Feed switched to Mash room, where nothing is happening! |
Bbtimes3 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:09 am     8:50 BB time - Feed 3 Roddy out of shower, dries off, gets dressed and goes into LR. Dani in the kitchen. R - We got any rice? Roddy just standing in K besides Dani while Dani is washing dishes?? R - Like what we were talking about last night. The thing that's strange to me today is I couldn't imagine or consider before I came in here that the possibility of being played being portrayed on TV. I am the world's biggest sucker. I n ever thought that would happen. I just sat up and worried about that last night. D - Don't you think we're all being portrayed like that? R - No. It's just that one thing is I think I've been so cool about giving a doubt. What does is really mean until the very end? Screw someone over on the way to end but you're not going to win. And what's sometimes me being extraordinarily patient w/people has turned out to be a bad move. D - Did Marc give you his word about not voting for you? R - Yeah he did. Will you keep this convo a secret? D - Yeah I will. R - In the first moment he panicked and he gave me his word. That's what's so weird he gave nobody would expect a smart cute boy and a model boy to be together. Jay was sceptical out of his mind. Marc comes to me with a deal. Nobody else. Before things could even get re-said I was like allright! He said you better get HOH. I said why is that? He said you better get HOH. Apparently, this is now secondhand info, that he had this plan for awhile to get me out of here. If that's the case why did he give his word? All of this is strange because Amy gave me the same deal that Chi gave me. Ch was like don't talk to Amy because it looks bad. Chi said one night when me and A were talking don't talk to her. I said this last night to say I look like a doctor doesn't mean I can perform surgery. Last night on the BB court, there's nothing I can do. All the true talented people in the house will see. I told him that's the only deal I got. He said are you going to trust him? I said I have to because...??? I was so unbelieveably sceptical. For him to say I had to get HOH why on earth would he want me to go do his dirty work and ??? D - I don't??? have a deal with Marc. R - I was assuming that. Sometimes I am too trusting and you're probably the same way. It was really hard for me not to say... I have a feeling when I get out of here and look back I'll have a feeling...??? Chi said trust Dani. Yeah, he promised me that he wanted me to get there. Like a pack of jackals, world's greatest distraction. You want to talk about image? He needs to ???? the smart cute boy and smart model boy but we're together. I was thinking maybe something today was gonna stir up. If I'm around you're not going anywhere (this to Dani) D - You said it. Done talking and Dani back to dishes. Roddy sitting on counter. R - It's a lot to think about. D - Yeah. R - Did you have a suspicion about us? D - HUh? R - me and him. He was just worried that oh me and you were up talking all night. D - I haven't even seen Marc in the hot tub so I.. R - That's the thing. I trust Jay to death but (something about Eric) Something about trusting people on game level. Even though he told me straight out I just don't feel that and I wish I did. I understand that and so ther'es a part of me that regrets being 100% honest and ethical. But if I got to be a prick ???? And you know, so that's what's so strange. Last night I just thought about how I have been put to sleep like everybody else and you can't talk about the game and the jackals and .... You have to give a good reason when you put somebody up. Last night he didn't cite anything when he putted me up. He recited some make believe things that makes it sound like a conspiracy. Trust is the biggest word thrown around in this house. Too hide behind the emotional side is not even relevant. If you did one thing and you told me something else then but to send me home because I'm not a hockey? fan is not true. He lectured the shit out of me. That whole Chi and the HOH thing .... For him to say last night about everybody wanting you out. R - He kept telling me that night in the HT that you're so smart you can win games and win HOH. He wanted me to get HOH to take care of the things he wanted done. Then he used it against me. D - Yep he did. R - Hm Hm. Hey, good thing you know how comfortable I feel right now about telling you anything. To have that here and to get somebody to say you're clear with me and I'm clear with you to break the tension. It makes you feel nauseous. D - The whole situation. The anti-Roddy campaign and I think he started it. R - The thing last night with the chess strategy it's in your best interest to say things at certain times. Guess what guys, it can't go on record and you can't promise something here when that's all you got. You can toss it out the window. Dani making her drink and Rod getting milk. Rod talking about how his Dad gets mad at his mom about switching whole with 2 1/2 milk. R - I'm gonna get crazy today! D - Did they give you the advil? R - Did they say houseguests don't go outside? D - Basically. She says, "I know I know, I can hear the hammering outside!" Dani going to bathroom. Roddy in LR Posting at 9:12 BB time (sorry for typos guys...talking fast and hard to hear) |
Grannygrunt | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:13 am     try again:
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Krossd | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:14 am     after R and D conv. in kitchen
Seems like everyone's got his # |
Caro | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:23 am     R: One other thing...we never said to eachother that we wouldn't say anything... In M's debate over who was going up... D: It was me? R: Yeah D: I hear a lot of things. He said, right now, what did he say, he would put up the biggest threat. Knew he was talking about me. R: And what he told A, don't decoy it with the honesty thing. D: He asked me who I was friends with, aren't you stretching it pretty thin. R: (missed) His words were if you and I go up it would be clash of titans. D agreeing R: Funny, she said (A) if one more person says perception I'll run out the door. laughing. (lost RP) |
Caro | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:52 am     R: And if I do leave here I think you are magnificent. D: Thank you. You are a good man. D: I'll say this. I love Ch R: You know what, I might save you the sound bite on this one...yeah. They both laugh D: And I said in the DR and she can watch the tapes. When you listen to people and hear their life story your eyebrows go up. R: Absolutely. Like the convo on bb court, the kids. D: There's two sides to every story. My brows went up. The dating stories, public executions..to me a person's character on the outside...whatever they say in the house is how I judge them. R: Because you are full of baloney then. This is an aside. I'm not a bible literasit (sp), but I am christian. I was afraid here of letting people know I doubted stuff. D: I like different opinions. I wouldn't judge you on that. R: But like you said of judging of what you hear about people's lives outside of here... D: My daddy says sometimes the worst people you see are in church, because of the politics etc. R talking about really good priests who got pushed out because of pressure and pushing of the powerful people in both the school and the church. One good priest got sick of it and left because of politics. I didn't get into this for politics but to praise God. You are right. Anywhere people have that human tendacy. D: You're right. We went to a church with 2 pastors. One into music, family into instruments music. The other pastor you went to for a straightforward answer and when the church split it killed me. I had to do research and realized that all that mattered was my faith, not the pastors. I always rely on myself and my go. Pastor's behavior has nothing to do with my fate. R: I think that is great. God knows...you can't fool the big man. D: That's right. R: A strange thing happened to me between you and J. The first time Ja said grace I almost fell down on the floor. D: Really? smiling R: Someone with genuine, old-fashioned faith that is not celebrated in this world. It was the only emergency DR I ever had. Sometimes the world sucks and to see someone like that gave me hope for the first time in a long long time. And some of the things you said in here...don't think those things go unappreciated. D: (happy) Thank you. Something about don't get calls from the saints. R talks about friends behavior at diner re: coffee. Friends who are engineers. Both getting coffee. D: Going to change my clothes. Is that enough? (re coffee) R: Yeah, going to get a stirrer. D leaves, R looks out window and heads to ottoman and sits. Quickly looks deep in thought, rubbing mouth and chin. Cam goes to close-up of face. He gets up goes to K, then picks up something off floor by chair. Hums. Looks like holding a black box. Looking for something under chair. (chess pieces?) Opens lid on box and places back on the floor. Picks up box again. Walking with it back and forth between K and chair (ed anyone know what this is) R: Second amazing thing that happened today? D: What is it? R: The cigar box? What did you try to put in it? D: A cricket. R: I was sitting and it just leapt out and under my feet while I was drinking coffee (ed: aha!) D: Nasty critters. Both in bathroom R: They have spray deo hear? And you can dryclean our shirts, talks about pit stains. D: Don't you wonder about the budget? R: Yeah, it's CBS - up and coming, may catch on. D talking about finally realizing she's on tv when she saw her tape on tv. D: I knew coming in that the cameras show every thing. Never tell them not to show anything. R: Ever say anything you regret? D: I told Ch something very intimate. She can be persistent. Had to tell her due to a comment I made to explain it to her. Oh and smoking cigars and cigarettes. R: I've said some pretty dumb things here. You know when you talk to someone and a thought comes out and you say, f*ck I shouldn't have said that. Best case scenerio is that when someone goes into DR pp that they are honest. I've been unbelievablly consistent with honesty. Things can be misconstued as bad. And I've gone back and...like if you say you hate Italian people..but it was said in the context of a story. I went back and say guys, you know why I was saying that and they said they saw that and do not show things out of context. D: The contract doesn't say they will not edit. R: But I've seen the show. pp saying that people don't care about my political views. But in my mind I want everyone to read everything that I say. D: On the internet they do. Last year Monica had a breakdown and they had everything. Down to every sigh (she's snapping her fingers). Halfway through I couldn't follow it. I think it was when she took the peanut butter deal. Something about black culture, people are about emotions if they are wrongfully accused (lost feed) D: Like with the noms. A looks so sad. It broke my heart so I had to hug her. But when someone stands there and states facts, boom boom boom. Like I could say you are a f*g liar. (talking about Josh?) R: Like when Joshie did the noms. Let's talk about it. D: OK. Power of Veto, why didn't she use it. If someone accuses me of something if it's not true, I'm going to go off. And he would have to say it, be a man. Let's talk, bring it on. Someone accuses me of doing something and I didn't do it I want to talk about it. R: (changes subject) Your coffee is getting cold. micro R: I think you need some love. D: I can't remember when I've been up this early. |
Caro | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:59 am     R: You know one thing I was thinking about..your letter from home, A leaving and coming back. Any outside info is important here. If people have fanclubs and letter, it shouldn't be here. D: I talked about a phone call and M's letter at the end. I didn't understand what it was. I didn't read that book. The p.s. and dadadada (talking about a p.s. in M's letter that seemed cryptic to both of them.) R: There could be a character names Danielle. D: Could be anything, he wouldn't say. R: Could be about a horse, anything, but if they had a conversation about that a year ago (M&mom). And something else is interesting, took me a while to realize it. A said she was happy to be here, if she's voted out, she'svoted out. Said no info exchanged. I find it tough that no one told her anything. Some guy could have come up to her on the beach and said, "Watch out for Gerry." Whatever.... Foth D: ....and I said it. R: And that day when Jo talked about being a scam salesman. How could you tell someone? D: Like when you are hungry and you use someone's feelings to get fed. R: There's a lot of other stuff...at the cast party I will sneak you aside and tell you. D: I caught on. FOTH |
Bcandscott | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:01 am     Roddy actually said: I am not a Bible literalist but I believe in Christian ethics. He has said several times he is agnostic. |
Caro | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:08 am     D:...every few months I go in for a sonogram. R: When you are brushing your teeth. Aloe? D: I go to the internet to find out. An apt. that should take 15 mins takes me an hr to hr and a half because I ask questions and other dr. come in. I have lumps and bumps. I find them and go to the dr. Asked if I wanted x-ray. Got it, took it back to him and he said it's a calcium deposit. R: How long have you had it? A thousand years? D: I noticed it in 2000 (?) Standing with hands on hips. You can feel it. R: Wow - you have like an extra rib. D: And my granfather died of bone cancer. Talks about family's sadness. Mom concerned that he died alone. Grandparents are so important. R: I've been lucky because mine live close. You can't force your parents to talk about it when you are a kid. There's an imp. lesson to be learned. D: If it works out that I do win I want to move out of CA, but only if my parents come with me. R: Dayton, Ohio? Friend plays hockey there (?) D: Yeah. I know you associate everything to remember things. R: You know I had that moment, like taking food from guys at dinner, but the salesman thing with Jo. Remember when I told that story about my friend dying. D: You should hear my DR about that. R: Yeah, that was very difficult. I told L the other day there have only been a few times when I really wanted to go. I can't believe that was happening (ch's reaction to R's story) D: That told me a lot. When someone doesn't have compassion. When someone is telling something important and you don't pick up on that. R: Not hard when there are tears there. D: pp She said she didn't like that and didn't want to deal with that. (Gotta go - anyone else here???) |
Gina8642 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:15 am     Came in in the middle R and D in bathroom. D - I think it's ok (D's coffee) R - I think it needs some love (heats D's coffee in Microwave) D - I haven't been up this early R - It's pretty eeiry isn't it? R (gives D her coffee) D - Thank you (I swear they were talking Strat when I turned it on!!) D (doing her hair at sink) R (sitting in green chairs drinking his coffee) No talking R - know one thing I was thinking 'bout - with your letter from home; Amy coming back. Any info from outside is powerful. D - remember M's letter. People speak in code. That stuff about the book. We donm't know what it means. I haven't read that book. R - what if their was a character named Dani? D - right. that shouldn't be allowed. Roddy gives analogy of a book about a horse. R - Amy told me awhile ago that she was happy if she was voted out. I am leary that no one said anything. That guy on the beach comeing up to Amy on beach and saying 'Gerry can't be trusted' And FOTH 1-3 minutes(No surprise) (Ed - Missing stuff - I can't type as fast as R speaks, let alone get down his stories.) Back 10:01am R - you know what Josh said about being a scam salesman. (I think they were saying Josh worked as a scam salesman on the outside, so how can we expect to trust him NOT to do that on the inside.) D - or when you are hungry and using peoples's feelings to get fed. If you did it on the outside... R - I'm sure someone will pull you aside in a cast party and tell you a trick or two... FOTH (ed - lots of time to go back and explain stuff in post) Back 10:04 D - give you a pill. Every 6 months I go back and they do a sonogram. (Ed - it's something about her teeth or mouth) D - I have lumps and bumps all over me. I went to the doctor. Made them take an X-ray. It was just a calcium deposit. R - How long have you had it D - not that long, since 2000. (Make Rod feel it) R - oh yet, you got 9 ribs down there. D - My grandfather .....(died?) D - that is tragic to me, I had no relationship with either grandfather. A loss to me. We live out here. So sad when he died for my Mom - she was his favorite (wispered - guess her aunts and uncles can't hear when she wispers?) R - I was lucky, they grew up within a few hours D - If I'm luck and I win this game. I want to move out of California 'cause it is so expensive. But I have to take my parents with me. (apparently to Dayton Ohio R (remembers it was Dayton. D and R talk about memory tricks for Roddy in his special school) R - Remember me telling my special story about my friend dying (He is obsessed with that moment, I've heard him bring it up sooo many times) D - you should have heard my DR on that one R - I was so close to leaving at that time. (the house) D - that says something about someone - no compassion (re Chi's reaction to R's story) R - when there are tears. D talking about teasing, teaching her daughters to pay attention to people's faces. Not to hurt them. More on Chiara - too confused to type it, but basically D is siding with Roddy, telling him Chi was wrong. D says she said it in DR. R - I know it might be uncomfortable - but it was important for me to let you know... R - sometimes being strong isn't flexing muscles. D - yeah, you need to listen. Don't just jump in. If they keep interupting and saying 'I gotta be right, I gotta be right!!' R - that is why I couldn't say anything. I couldn't allienate the one person in the house. R - as badly as I wanted to. I told her I could say something, but I didn't. She wanted me to say it, but.... R - 'let's have it out with that guy. D agreeing with all R is sayiing R - there wasn't a point in having it out. R - There are probably 35 more of those (stories like that) I'm not going to get up and have a bih 'Rikki lake show' type argument with her. D - Chiarisms. The lies. Says alot. when they use words to compensate. The cheating. R - That morning - I was surprised how much it hurt to reveal that. I almost can't believe that was the reaction. I said last night - if you back out to a comitment here, it makes it look like you'll back out of any commitment in the house. (I think he is saying he couldn't back away from Chi because he's look bad.) D - She (ch) can't ever reason. She may hate my guts after the show. But I just stated it. I'm out 10:19 |
Krossd | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:20 am     D & R in BR - Dani (unafraid of him, or) taking charge of the converstations as she is right now. (He pulls on her children heart strings.) She's even getting him to say things about Chiara's childishness, and telling him what she (lovingingly) told Chiara about taking the time to love herself. Roddy just told Dani that he would love for Jason to win. SO that is who HE will vote for. Hmmmmmm And we have FOTH (no surprise there) |
Moondance | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 11:20 am     (My connection sticks and I need HELP) J - in bed L - getting dressed R - in K D, A M in HOH talking about being dupped by Roddy A to D - I was worked over by him D- making gesture of him with horns there is so much being said... good stuff... can't get it all... help RP just crashed |
Dipo | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 11:20 am     Marcellas, Amy and Danilee in HOH talking about Roddy and how amy figured out that Roddy was really working her. Hard to hear. they are whispering. M telling how Roddy really worked him and how roddy worked him so much he became his father, my lover everyting. D he is so dangerous. Everyone that he goes up against they always try to save him. M I'm not scared of Roddy I am afraid of his effect on people. (BTW, Roddy was called to the DR when this conversation started. |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 11:48 am     Amy went to DR, Marcellas and Danielle have continued the convo, which boils down to "He's GOOOOD". A bit more complex but that's it.. seductive. Marcellas says Lisa does realize.. she talked Marcellas through it (when she pointed out that Roddy is a psych major). He needs to go! Dani mentions Jason, but nothing really said |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:01 pm     Marcellas says Roddy went too far telling Marcellas that he threw the HOH competition because he trusted Marcellas.. Marcellas finds that specious. Didn't give me a da*n thing. Comminicating, trying quadcam to see what is happening outside HOH.. but.. all four feeds are on HOH anyway. Marcellas talking about being frustrated with Amy.. Marcellas wants to go have breakfast; Dani wants to pee. I can hear Amy saying "Sugar's in the shower".. Marcellas says didn't he tell Jason she had to schedule showers with me. Marcellas lets Jason know, that he hasn't e en been called into DR about the POV competition. Lisa's sitting at table too. Marcellas says "tired of being on the psych couch" Lisa says emotionally drained. Amy says she's going to have a good day (but wishes they'd give them a time so she'd know if she had time to shower).. Amy is "singing" WAH WAH WAHWHAH.. Marcellas says "it won't make the cut". Amy says she gave them plenty in the DR. Says sometimes you just "wake up" (pp cannot remember her exact wording, a pity, since it was very clear, and then you could see Roddy sitting behind Lisa and the camera zoomed in on him...) Roddy asks if Amy slept well; she says Very Well!.. he says he didn't, she says that is too bad. Amy and Jason talk about aftereffects of workout . Lisa at table looking very tired. Roddy sitting close to Lisa. Marcellas says what he wants back first is his watch, before he even talks to Julie. His watch and his mama) (ed. well, not likely) Amy tries to tell him you don't just get "stuff back" right away. M expands to his watch, his mama, his ex-boyfriend, ?? Amy says Jason's out of shower. Roddy says "you have alot on your mind today" Amy says YES, all good! Very cheery (ed. Roddy must be freaking out, if Roddy ever freaks out). Amy and Jason doing lots of cheerful humming. Roddy says he barely slept last night. Jason brushing hair, Amy gives him quick hug. Roddy is eating at the table, Marcellas has cards at table, Lisa in Green chair in BR, getting ready. Jason at sink, AMy? in shower? Dani..? Must be dressing, not showering. |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:12 pm     All just bustling about getting ready for POV competition. Marcellas says they should just be ready to have to wear swimsuits. M earlier said to Roddy after BB closed the HRD it is like being in a cage, especially when on lockdown and cannot see outside. Marcellas still playing cards, Roddy may be in BR, Jason, Lisa, DAni in BR M talking to self about sizes, being a model.. Jason had announced his biggest size and M had shouted a comment. size 36. Amy in shower stall. Going to feed to seek BR audio. Jason saying "2 liter real coke" all sugar.. how he ate a clean diet, etc fell off.. might have been Roddy. Lisa lost 35 lbs in 2 weeks.. chicken and water.. Amy in towel, fluffing hair. Roddy says he was doing spin classes felt awful, broke up with gf then had to lose weight. Jason says when he gains wt is always when in relationship. Roddy says ran into 80 year old doctor, who told him at the chinese diner, "Roddy, you are fat and you look like sh!t" Roddy says if this old guy (ed. Roddy seems to know lots of 80 and 90 year olds Amy puts on a tank top (I think the black one Lisa had planned to give to Amy).. Lisa says that looks good on you, girl!! Amy giggles. Lisa says had to get back in shape at home/Billy Blanks, then go into gym. Roddy says yeah if you just go to gym, couple of classes and never go back. Roddy asks Jason if he sees a big improvement here. Jason says not really.. he isn't eating well here.. at home was eating big breakfast, reversing thru day, balance bar before bed. Here he's eating small breakfast, etc.. sleeping heavy but not well. At home just doesn't have icecream, keeps it far away. Desserts are his downfall. |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:18 pm     Talking about restaurant "serendipity" and meanings of the word.. Amy getting coffee, Lisa back out in main part of house too. Lisa says that is a somewhat cheesy movie, somewhat predictable. Things as they should be.. there was a brief FOTH in there..ad Going to quadcam.. Two cams on Amy at the mirror in the hall, well now all four.. Amy says they knew she wanted to get dressed for this one Discussion of some song now. Amy's wearing jeans, black tank top, putting on makeup. Dani suggests hamburgers and "fresh fires" tonight.. Amy says yummm FOTH!! |
Grannygrunt | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:37 pm     quad cam check: all four feeds still FOTH (just so everyone knows that there is someone still listening and watching) |
Dipo | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:58 pm     Still foth - POV competition |
Wargod | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:59 pm     Still FOTH on all cams. |
Rod | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 01:21 pm     still FOTH |
Dipo | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 01:22 pm     Still foth. |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 01:26 pm     and James Blake wins a game at love, takes the match to a fifth and final set against defending champion Leyton Hewitt! The crowd goes wild! oops.. and FOTH on all four feeds, sigh.. the crowd is comatose. |
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