HG-DEBATE: My OPINION of Jason
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Jagger

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Breezy, I agree with you 100 percent, he has been a very moral person throughout this game, and yes this is a game where you do have to deceive people in order to move onward in the game. He has deceived people, but he has done it in a very good way, he isn't going behind their backs calling them names. He has tried to play this game with integrity. He has very rarely brought up religion in the house, if someone asks him about it he will talk about it, he has not preached to anyone about his religous beleifs or that there was anything wrong with their choice in religion.

He has had to do things in this game that I'm sure he would rather not have done, but it is a game and there are things you have to do in order to try to win.

Beegee

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 02:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bbholden, I gotta ask ... when has Jason preached? If anything he has kept his convictions in the very distant background, and tried to fit in with the group without compromising those. The reason we know he's a virgin is because Chiara asked, then danced around the room when Jason shyly admitted it. He is religious, and not ashamed to admit it even though it has meant being subjected to some ridicule both in the house and on this board, but that hardly means he has "preached."

Kearie

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 03:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I got to say that just because Jason is a Christian...it doesn't mean he's not a man.

He's 25 and been locked in a house with very attractive females. Do you think Christianity has some kind of nulling effect on humanity and sexuality? Perhaps it should dull the hormones raging through the body.

Likewise, I suppose Christianity should make him perfect...strong, and void of ANY human weakness.
Why heck, if Jason is a real Christian, he isn't human anymore. That's why it's okay for us voyuers to throw stones at him for lying in the context of this game and for laughing at another's expense.

We can compare him to all those priests who horribly misused their authority to abuse children.

Jason doesn't need to hide his sins under a cloak, he is perfect...just like every Christian is.

Those who see it differently are just jealous of him and his perfection.

(Pardon my sarcastic vent)

Most Christians don't claim to be perfect...and they aren't. Jason is a young man...trying to make it in this world and in this game. I'm proud of the way he has played as a Christian. I find him very strong in his beliefs and his actions tend to speak volumes about him and his faith.

Kudos to Jason for playing this game in as Christian of a manner as he has.

Bbholden

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason preaches about how he himself is a moral person and a Christian. However, a Christian does not stand by and let someone (Dani his partner) lie and slander people... but Jason did, and does, and did again today. A moral and ethical person that say "hey, I'm a good and moral and ethical person" does not then turn around and say he is only kissing someone for strategy reasons, after he told that person he kissed her because it was real and he wanted to. That lying. Jason lied more than once to Amy. A good and moral and ethical person who claim he is one, does not then make that person feel bad on purpose.. just to please someone else... but Jason did just that more than once to Amy.

Jason who is a good and moral person according to himself... thinks Jimmy Baker and Tammy Faye are good and moral people. Now please someone tell me they are good and moral people.

I did not say or rather, did not mean he was preaching the bible.. I'm saying he preached (loosely used) that he himself was a moral and ethical person, which he has shown he is no more moral or ethical than anyone else in that house.

Wcv63

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason has never preached that BBholden. He has only said that he is striving to live his life as best he can. He has made certain choices that go with that and he has not once PREACHED that others that do not follow his example are immoral or are in some way inferior.

He has made an effort to get to know each person in that house and has made friends with them WITHOUT BEING JUDGMENTAL. How refreshing!!

In addition, although he is in a very strong and strategic alliance he is an equal partner and has never once COASTED on the coat tails of anyone. He stepped up when needed, strategized when needed, played contests to win and managed to maintain his pleasant attitude 95% of the time.

Whit4you

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BBHolden - few things are more irritating then a 'good christian' who tries to push their morals and values and such on others... you seem to like that type though - you can have them. I prefer someone like Jason who lives his own life a certain way but does not demand those he associates with to do the same.

Ryn

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 05:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From simple game-play perspective, if Jason had scolded any other house member for acting "un-christian" he would have been voted out long ago.

Beegee

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ya know, just because someone is Christian does not mean they think they are perfect -- rather, they know they aren't, and that's why they need Christ as a saviour. That's what the whole religion is about, plain and simple. Christ taught "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" -- moral of the story -- no one is without sin so no one, especially Christians, are in a position to judge others or hold themselves up as being perfect. Sadly, some Christians do put on a facade of already being perfect, and that understandably irritates and annoys. Happily, I have not seen Jason do that. People seem to be projected others' behavior onto him.

Jason has not held himself up as being perfect. He has only said that he wants to live a moral and ethnical life -- big difference between wanting to and preaching that you already do.

Bkmac

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 07:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"However, a Christian does not stand by and let someone (Dani his partner) lie and slander people"

Umm sure they do. Even Christ' apostles stood by and allowed Pilate to slander Christ himself.

Christians are actually followers of Christ teachings, they are human and fallable with quirks and sin. You seem to be mistaking the term "Christian" with "Christ". He's the only one who was able to resist human temptation.

Wcv63

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 07:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"However, a Christian does not stand by and let someone (Dani his partner) lie and slander people"


I also think if Jason had asserted this issue it would have been seen as pushing his morals and beliefs on others and he would have been called down for preaching.

Breezy

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
JAGGER, BBFREAK, BEEGEE, KEARIE, WCV63, WHIT, BKMAC, I am so impressed with your comments. Awesome!

One of the most pleasing things about Jason's personality I think is that he is not ashamed about what he believes, yet he respects the rights of others to make their own religious and moral choices. And as Ryn also mentioned, coming off in a "preachy" manner would have put him out of the house in the first week.

He could have really gotten things stirred up with the issues of Marcellus' homosexuality, Amy's excessive drinking, and the obvious sexual life styles of some of the houseguests. Yet, instead of judging and condemning them, he only showed them love and acceptance.

I read somewhere that even Roddy, an agnostic, felt that Jason was the "real thing" as far as being a Christian was concerned. What a compliment.

BBHOLDEN, thanks for taking the time to give us your honest response. Your feelings are understandable. I just wanted to mention that even Christians with strong commitments, make mistakes and fall short of what they would like to be. Please don't judge Christianity based upon the failings of imperfect human beings. There is a quote I have seen, "Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven".

Phillymom

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have never heard Jason "preach" -- not once. I don't watch the feeds 24/7, but the only time I've ever heard him talk "religion" or his beliefs is when he's been asked something by one of the other HGs. I never heard him "declare" that he was religious, a virgin, or anything else like that. He was asked by Chiara if he was a virgin, and he answered. Then he was asked about his views on virginity, and he answered. Answering questions and giving one's views is not preaching.

Christians are not perfect, nor are all the other members of any of the world's religions. Atheists and agnostics are not perfect, either. We're all human, we all make mistakes, we all sin. BBHOLDEN, I don't think Jason is in the BB house "preaching," or trying to represent Christianity or its tenets, and I think he would be the first one to be taken back by the idea that he would be so presumptous as to do such a thing.

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Christ taught "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" -- moral of the story -- no one is without sin so no one, especially Christians, are in a position to judge others or hold themselves up as being perfect. "

Sadly, though....some christians who claim that they believe that passage actually use the words in the Bible itself as the "first stone" that they hurl at others. (example - Leviticus - Man shall not lie with man , etc... is the stone that *some* christians use to judge all gayfolk and condemn them to hell)

Bottom line - I say Christianity Shchmistianity....it doesn't matter what particular religion anybody identifies with...what really matters is their kindness to others, their compassion, and whether or not those VALUES are reflected in their ACTIONS.

I like Jason because he has generally been a very kind person...he has managed to make it to the final 3 without acting out in hateful ways. His christianity (believing that Jesus is son of god, etc...) has nothing to do with my respect for his behavior as a person.

I do think that some of his behavior that he attributes to his faith...like his chastity and shame regarding his naked body...are things that are keeping him from experiencing the life that "his god gave him". I mean....the poor guy is already 6 years past his sexual peak without ever having had "the big O". Why waste the hormones that god gave him? :)

Just sayin....I like Jason because of his kindness...and in spite of his religion.

JMO

Babyruth

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said, San Fran! I agree completely.

Queenfish

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When Jason let it be known that he was a Born Again Christian he new that he would be persecuted for that on the web. There is allways, allways, someone out there picking apart every single little thing a Christian does. And, I am sure he won't mind but will find it pure joy that he was persecuted (verbally) on websites like this one when he reads it. Just like the Book of James says, "Consider it pure joy, my brothers when you are persecuted in anyway for your belief in our Lord."

Sheila494

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i like the guy but i must say he is a wimp and a coward..i absolutely hate the fact that he has been so controlled by dani..and for that reason alone i hope he doesnt win this game either..im rooting for lisa.

Mysticalmom

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have been reading all what you all wrote and I have a thought of my own. Has anyone else heard that he use to be very overweight. That could be the reason he is a virgin. I understand that he just lost all his weight and now with his new found religious believes he really hasn't been tempted yet beyond his control.

Beegee

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mysticalmom, I don't think his religion is new found. His whole family seems to be quite religious and quite well-established in their church. Didn't he say something about putting on weight whenever he's in a relationship, and he lost some weight after he and his last girlfriend broke up?

As far as temptation goes, I would think the situation in the house would be as tempting as any.

Mysticalmom

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BeeGee, you are probably right. Sometimes I only get part of the chat right. Thanks for clarifying for me.

Phillymom

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Queen, I can't imagine Jason taking "joy" in persecution. The kid gets nervous if someone in the house looks at him the wrong way. He wouldn't do well under that kind of pressure, and I'm sure "joy" would be the last emotion he'd feel. Just because the Bible tells him to "consider it joy" doesn't mean he's going to feel that way.

Kearie

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 03:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure Queen meant "joy" as in elation, nor do I belive the Bible means that. I think Jason will find peace in his "persecution."

How could he not feel good about witnessing for his Lord in such a public game? The way he has played the game has touched and reached everyone of us at TVCH along with many others. (Not all positive) However, Roddy saying he thinks Jason is the real deal. WOW.
Isn't that enough to negate some of the negative words people say about Jason?

Jason hasn't preached, but he has been one heck of a witness for many.

Ya know, being a Christian means following the teachings of Christ. I believe Christ's main focus of teaching was Loving and Forgiving. I trust Jason is being Jason, kind and loving.

Phillymom

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 05:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm a little confused about something. But since no one else has mentioned it, I thought maybe it might be true, although I'm having a little trouble imagining it. BBHOLDEN said in her post that Jason thinks Jimmy Baker and Tammy Faye are good and moral people. I'm wondering where she got that info. I've never heard Jason say that, nor have I read about him saying anything like that. But I may have missed it ... did anyone else hear this? Could you direct me to the post with that conversation? To me, it just doesn't sound like something Jason would say.

Breezy

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Phillymom, I hadn't heard that either. Maybe BBholden could enlighten us?

Phillymom

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
BBHOLDEN? Could you direct me to where you found that info? Thank you.

Krossd

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 12:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am dissapointed in Jason. He was one of my 3 favorites, but last in that now, and I'd almost prefer Amy in there! What is happening to me!

I thought he'd be more entertaining - not over the top or anything, but he could talk to the cams knowing we are watching.... he seemed like he could be funny, he could do more of his radio things without being drowned out and interupted by the me-me types in the house, etc. He is a genuinely nice young man, don't get me wrong, I like him, but I am finding myself thinking Dani has 'earned' at least 2nd for her entertaining value alone, and Lisa has been just as 'nice'.

Victoriafla

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason is boring. Him and Dani are plotting on Live feeds to make sure Lisa is nervous so she won't do well tonight. I really hope he leaves tonight!

Toolhound

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just read this on the live feed posts
"Jason tells Dani to play on Lisa's emotion. That they must find a way to make Lisa nervous to get her off her game. Jason tells Dani that he will act nervous but internally he is really calm. "
maybe money is the root of evil!!!

Ptomaine

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Toolhound,
If you need another reason:

Jason and Dani had planned to get rid or Marc, but not tell Amy. Jason tells Dani that the shock of having Marc leave the house will cause Amy to lose HOH, and that it would be good strategy to keep both Amy and Marc in the dark (this is before Marc won POV).

Just to be clear: I don't find anything wrong with this tactic.

Maris

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Is this guy for real. He is worried about what his mother is going to say about him and Amy. I am betting his mother will be calling him a fool for sticking with Dani.

Onlyhuman

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, I was wondering if I was missing something, because I couldn't figure out why his mom would be upset about his relationship with Amy. I mean they flirted and they did those two little kisses, but there was nothing to indicate that it was anything more than some innocent flirting, which is how he describe his relationship with Lisa.

Maybe something happened on that cruise that we don't know about????? Or he figures a peck on the lips is a bad thing?? Very strange....

Maris

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It is bizarre that a 25 year old is worried about his mothers reaction to a peck on the cheek. Danni of course brought up the no underwear thing but changed it to say she looked like she didnt have underwear on.

I cant imagine the kind of relationship this guy has with his mother if she controls everyone he deals with. He even said she wouldnt want him seeing these women again. Very bizarre.

Phillymom

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I find it a little strange that he's so worried about what his mother would say, too. But doesn't Jason live in New York now? I'm not sure about that, but I thought I read that somewhere. So Mommy can't have too much control over what he does. I think, what with being a virgin and all, that Jason is easily embarrassed by things with any sexual overtone. Maybe he thinks his mom will just react worse than she really will, because I can't imagine any mother with a 25-year-old son being upset by a kiss. And I remember when BB interviewed his parents, his mother didn't seem extremely weird or uptight to me ... I know she wasn't thrilled about his crush on Chiara, but I wouldn't be if I was his mom, either.

Wcv63

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason just didn't want to embarrass his family with his behavior in the house. I find that to be commendable that he knows his actions don't effect only him and can be a reflection on others. His parents and his family have every reason to be proud of him.