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Yellek

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Foodbunny. I'm also not religious, but I would be offended if someone called me the devil (unless in a joking fun manner). It has to do with what the person insulting means by it, not with what I believe in or not.

Itsallgood

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryn I sent you an e-mail...have you received it yet??

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Foodbunny - ""Roddy is an Atheist, so why worry about being called a devil?"

Because we live in a predominately Christian society and that kind of label sticks in a very, very bad way."

Exactly!...imagine if you were an atheist in an Islamic controlled country and you got labeled a "good christian". The beliefs of the person in question has absolutely nothing to do with the perception and treatment of him by others...expecially ones that DO believe something that he does not.

In fact...Dani proved that already. She bashed Roddy right and left for believing something different than what she does.

Crazydog

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Uhoh and Wendo. If he says she promised him three times, until she says otherwise it's the only version we're hearing. There are plenty of conversations/things on the feeds that no one has seen or reported. I want to know who peed in the garbage can - Chiara was quite upset about it but no one ever confirmed who did it. Obviously this was not shown on the feeds or reported in the recaps, so I guess we are automatically saying it didn't happen.

Somehow I am betting that Roddy saw Tonya because he happened to take a trip to Vegas, and not the other way around.

Roddy may be an atheist but his parents and grandparents are probably not. It hurts him that it hurts them to hear him being called the devil.

Mom

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryn--where is Roddy's Las Vegas interview? Thanks

Fabnsab

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
For the record, Roddy is NOT an atheist, he is agnostic. I know there isn't a difference to some christians but if you are agnostic, there is a big difference.

ag·nos·tic

: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

:atheism
: a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity

I know this thread isns't about this but I am agnostic and I hate when my friends and family go around calling me an atheist.

Bohawkins

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We should always protect anyone from religious persecution. An atheist (or agnostic), like anyone of any belief, should never be subjected to ridicule. I am a Christian, (and I understand that atheism or agnosticism are not religions), but I believe that freedom "of" religion means freedom "from" other people's religions.

I maintain that anyone who states that they are an atheist or an agnostic should be afforded the same dignities and privacies as anyone who states any belief. Branding someone with a term associated with evil is damaging.

I would welcome Roddy into my home, and would enjoy his friendship. His acceptance of my way of thinking is immaterial to my acceptance of him as a person. My guess is, he would think the same way.

Kalekona

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly!...imagine if you were an atheist in an Islamic controlled country and you got labeled a "good christian". The beliefs of the person in question has absolutely nothing to do with the perception and treatment of him by others...expecially ones that DO believe something that he does not.

Isn't it true though that most atheists belive that Christians are nothing but mindless sheep and that they can't think for themselves and are just not logical? <i did say most, maybe not all but those are things I've heard said by atheist over the years> so why would "our" perception of him matter since we do know Roddy at least feels far mor intelligent than everyone else.

Ptomaine

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
http://www.religioustolerance.org/

Atheists, Agnostics, Christians... you can even look up Satanism!

Ginger

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I, too, find it odd that Roddy states that Chiara is upset about "how she was portrayed." This has always been the most comical thing about BB--the notion that we fans form our opinions about houseguests based on what we see on the TV show...NOT! I agree that Chiara was shown in a more positive light on the show than she actually was in the house. There are numerous examples of ways the producers could have made her look WAYYY worse than she did, simply by showing what went on. I don't wish ill upon Chiara. In fact, I wish her well. But I think she'd do well to take a deep breath and be honest with herself about what she means when she claims to not be the Chiara we saw 24/7 for weeks on end.

Crossfire

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Isn't it true though that most atheists believe that Christians are nothing but mindless sheep and that they can't think for themselves and are just not logical?"

My hope, is that this is not true. But within any group, you will find intolerance, and no matter which side it comes from, it's still wrong.

"so why would "our" perception of him matter since we do know Roddy at least feels far mor intelligent than everyone else. "

The problem with the intolerant perception as always, is the consequences.

Zachsmom

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Isn't it true though that most atheists belive that Christians are nothing but mindless sheep and that they can't think for themselves and are just not logical? <i did say most, maybe not all but those are things I've heard said by atheist over the years> so why would "our" perception of him matter since we do know Roddy at least feels far mor intelligent than everyone else.

I don't think Roddy has ever expressed that he is far more intelligent than everyone else..perhaps he felt on a different intellectual level than the other houseguest..and I do find that to be true..

but there is a large difference between a mindless sheep or thought of illogical than to be labeled evil incarnate..

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Isn't it true though that most atheists belive that Christians are nothing but mindless sheep and that they can't think for themselves and are just not logical? <i did say most, maybe not all but those are things I've heard said by atheist over the years>"

I have no idea....I really don't know "most" atheists and there is no atheist bible to check, so I suppose each atheist would have to answer that question individually.

"so why would "our" perception of him matter since we do know Roddy at least feels far mor intelligent than everyone else. "

This country is mostly Christian....therefore, "most" employers and lawmakers are most likely "christian" and being labled as a devil (the very antithesis of christianity's "good guy") can make a person's life socially and financially miserable.

As in my example....why would an atheist accused of being a good christian in an extremist Islamic country care what those around him think, if he believed he was smarter and knew what was really the truth?...Well that's easy... because they might just decide to imprison him or behead him because he doesn't believe what they think he should. In this country, I doubt if a christian would behead Roddy, but I can see some of them refusing to rent to him or respect him because they feel he is "godless" and therefore deserves less respect.

Amac

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani should probably have substituted the word "politician" for "devil." Considering Roddy's family background, it would have been less hurtful while meaning the same thing.

Maryk

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy might be an atheist/agnostic but his parents and his grandparents I believe are Catholic since he told a story once about he was with his parents and they visited the Vatican and he met the Pope.

In any case, I would believe he is offended and deeply hurt but what Dani said because of the connotation that the Devil is an evil-doer. IMO, I don't think he has ever done what I could call evil in the house.

I wish Dani gets a taste of her own hatefulness in the final show.

Floresmama

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As I read Roddy's interview I was struck once again by how much he considers how every move every word might look to people. It makes me wonder when was the last time he really expressed himself without that consideration. It seems it might have been years if ever. I guess that is the hazard of being raised by a Politician. It makes me feel sorry for all politicians families. I am glad I don't have to live like that.

As for the devil comments he doesn't believe in God so I am not sure why being called The Devil should bother him. It part of his 15 minutes of fame. I am sure lots of people called Wil Dr. Evil. Roddy knows he is not The Devil didn't anyone ever teach him sticks and stones...

Wcv63

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy's version of the "truth" is based on an alternate reality....his. Yes, Zachsmom, Roddy on more than one occassion asserted his superiority not only above his houseguests but also above women in general. That is when my dislike for him took root.

How any self-respecting woman could continue to defend this man after he said that NO woman was his intellectual equal is beyond me. Perhaps it wasn't heard. Perhaps it wasn't believed. Perhaps they thought he misspoke. Perhaps it seemed a small thing in the big picture.

Ryn

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry - I thought Roddy was an Athiest, I do know the difference btw....

moving this thread to "outside the house" now as I said I would.

There is no posted interview, this thread was started by someone relaying what they heard on a radio interview. If you look in the archives above you can read the earlier portions of this thread.

Avrey258

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63,
I remember Roddy saying that too. Among other choice phrases. Remember when he told Chiara if she was his girlfriend she would have to be at his beck and call? He would go through her checkbook, give her a pager and she would have only a few minutes to check in with him? There is so much more. Many things he said regarding women bothered me.

The problem I have with Roddy is that I never knew if this was all a joke or if this is the real Roddy. His friends said he has had alot of girlfriends, yet Roddy says he is always getting dumped so maybe he is to obsessive, who knows?

Zachsmom

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How any self-respecting woman could continue to defend this man after he said that NO woman was his intellectual equal is beyond me.


hmmm by that statement you are calling all women who defend Roddy as having no respect for themselves..that's a pretty broad brush to paint a picture by..and quite insulting to say the least..and yet you make comments about Roddy??

Roddy didn't state that NO woman was his intellectual equal..he stated that he hasn't met a woman who was his intellectual equal..I have yet to meet a man who is my intellectual equal..does that mean I feel I am far superior to ALL men? No..it just means that I haven't met a man who is my equal..and when looking for a lifetime compainion..some of us would like to be on the same wave length in intellectaul,spiritual and emotional levels..

I think a lot of people assigned characteristics to Roddy that just aren't there..yet they want to believe that they exists..

Wcv63

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually no Zachsmom, I was giving reasons why a self-respecting would continue to defend him...i.e. misspoke, not heard, not believed, etc. I certainly didn't mean to insult but rather open up a conversation about WHY he would still be defended. I'm very sorry if you were insulted and chose to take the statement personally. Conversely I find your statement "and yet you make statements about Roddy" incredibly insulting.

I personally didn't find Roddy's intellect so staggering that any number of woman in the general population wouldn't be able to either meet and/or exceed his own abilities.

Zeyna

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 05:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For the record, Roddy did state that he has a woman friend who is far more intellectual than him. He talked about her quite a bit one day, describing how much she read, how much knowledge she had, etc. He said they were only friends. Anyway, like Zachsmom, I also took his statements to mean that he hasn't found someone at his intellecutal level to have a romantic relationship with.

Angelwings

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 07:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I also thought it was not right for Dani to call Roddy a devil. I was not upset when he was voted out,but it was not right to give him that label. I am Catholic and live in a very strong Baptist area. There are alot of them that think the Catholics are on the wrong track and need to be saved. So I know what it is like for people to think ill of you and they should not. Everyone needs to remember that they as an individual will have to answer to God in the end. Well wait a min. I guess if you do not believe in God you would not think that. Oh well. I wish Roddy well and hopefully this will not hurt him to much.

Romans8_1

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 08:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
JMO

If ANYONE says they have not found their intellectual equal, then they have a pretty inflated view of themselves. Come on!! How egotistical is it to say that you are the smartest person you know? One must realize that that view is probably only held by them. They should ask their friends to rate how smart you are. It could be quite an eye-opener. It is a sad case when we think more highly of ourselves than we should. It is no wonder so many people don't know God when they don't see themselves as they really are.

JMO

Zachsmom

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 09:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Romans..

If I said that I wish to find my emotional equal..would I have an over-inflated ego about how "emotional" I am ?

If I said that I wish to find my spirtual equal..would that mean that I have an over-inflated ego about how "spirtual" I am ?

If I said I wish to find my physical equal would that mean that I have an over-inflated ego about how "fit" I am ?

When a person states they want to find their intellectual equal it means that they wish to converse and connect with others on an equal footing intellectually..

I know very few people who wish to have relationships where one person is talking over their heads. I know very few people who wish to have relationships where they feel they are dummying down..

equal means the same..equal does not mean superior..