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TV ClubHouse: Archives: C'mon Arnie-if there ever was a right time for a twist-it is now: Archive through September 15, 2002

Snoopyenta

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle keeps telling Lisa "I got 50G's!" If there ever was a time for Arnold to do something to shake things up-this is it! C'mon Arnie-Do Something to wipe that smug grin off Danielle's face. She is SO SURE that she is in the final two. I would have been happy for her-if she had just kept her mouth shut. Can You imagine how Lisa is feeling hearing this?

Crossfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Me thinks she should not be counting her chickens so soon, no matter the odds.

Jan

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well that's not exactly what happened. They were talking about the fact that if either of them go up against Jason, they will lose the $500K...then Dani said she would be OK with the $50K..and went on to the "I got $50G speech".

It was a hypothetical ..if she was in the final 2 with Jason...not an "I have won the final 2 spot and am guaranteed $50G"

Ladytex

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yet another instance of someone manufacturing a reason to bash Dani ...

Lisad

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jan - You are correct. It's amazing how things get twisted. Thanks for pointing that out.

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, where's a thread about Danielle's gossipping with Lisa about Roddy, Chiara, Jason, and to name a few more? LOL! I'm looking for it. And then her further statements twisting facts or passing lies as facts?

I hope to God that Lisa is an unwilling participant in this conversation. If she's actually enjoying this and truly renewing her relationship with Danielle, I will be disappointed and will lose all of my respect and support for her.

I am still of the opinion that Lisa is participating in this activity unwillingly (i.e., to secure her stay this week; and to increase her chances, should Danielle accidentally win HOH next week) and it is renewing her determination to take Jason instead if she does win HOH next week.

Battlestar

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well---if you really want to think about the conversation---Danielle is just trying to secure the information from Lisa that Lisa will not be taking Jason to the final.

But at the same time Danielle is letting Lisa assume that if Danielle wins HOH--then she won't be taking Jason either

Guiltyviewer

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I heard the convo between Lisa and Dani and felt it was just them imagining what it would be like at the end. Lisa also said comments as if she had won $50k, and neither she nor Dani was acting like they were taking themselves seriously. I can see how someone could misinterpret their meaning if they didn't hear them and see their body language, but they are just playing around, having fun. It's not fair to either of them to characterize it otherwise.

Sunflowr

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
so are you saying she would pretty much just "let" Jason win?? ("let" meaning let him be in final with her).. she really doesnt stand much of a chance againest Jason and it feels to me like she is just "letting" this happen..

Jan

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well Jaysgal I just answered that self same post in another thread but here goes again.

It doesn't sound to me like Dani is forcing any conversation on Lisa here. She has lots of her own suspicion about Roddy.

and I don't think their conversation is all that wicked. They are just reviewing everything from their own perspective. I haven't heard any lies.

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal- as I sad over in the Dani Playing bad Game thread- Lisa is a full and willing participant in this conversation and they have been having a great time. Moreover, there is mild gossip at best about the others. Lisa has brought up her own things. It isn't always Dani!

The twist is what is happening to Dani by the people on these boards sometimes. Everything she does seems to be interpeted as bad.

Crossfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am curious...if they are having this conversation, and both have concluded that they are not going to win against Jason in the finals...have they made a deal to take each other?

That would be logical.

Snoopyenta

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is the text of the conversation

d - if i was to make it to the end. someone has 50g's!
l - 50,000 dollars in my pocket
d - i worked hard for that 50 g's. im stressed i dont eat. these things are happening to me. i got some perm! we dont have no toilet paper. we have to rely on people for TP
l - and water. this house is perfectly equipped for 12 people.
d - for 80 days. i got 50g's! this work was tough. but for three months i got paid with 50g's my mother didnt raise no fool. im not stupid - i got 50g's. i got 50g's thats all im saying

It may have started out being hypothetical; however, I believe that by the time she got to the last sentence-she was virtually putting the money in the bank. I am certainly entitled to express my feelings regarding my perception of Dani's behavior and I don't have to "manufacture" anything to prove my point. I just think she's a little too cocky about her position and would love to see BB throw a wrench into her plans. Please don't take it personally :)

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jan-we have to stop meeting like this!

Someone will start a thread about us...;.

Whit4you

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Impression I got was Dani wanted to make sure that Lisa doesn't forget that she can't beat Jason in the finals. She's gonna pull a Richard Hatch and I can't say it's not the way to play this game - she knows she can't beat Jason so she'll throw the comp to Lisa knowing Lisa will take Dani to the end. That's not bashing Dani just the way I see her playing it and well it's a game - and just as she feels she's kept her word to both Chaira AND Amy that week... her not personally voting out Jason will still be loyal in her mind.

But this is a game about winning not about loyalty in my opinion... don't think Jason would have made it to the final two without Dani - and yet Jason will end up winning because DANI was the one willing to make the nasty moves (though she did use jason to do some of them....)

So that's my take on this convo - her Dani going on and on and on about how she would win 50 g's was to impress upon Lisa that if she goes to the end with Jason - she'd be the one saying "I won 50 g's"

It's a game. Dani's playing it to win - no faulting her there.

Her yet again going off on dissing Amy however is pathetic and the more I hear this the more I worry that guys may think all women are like these women. Yes we do laugh about some women we see but at least myself and MY friends do not sit around dissing - making fun of and making a laughing stock out of a FRIEND of ours when they are not around. That's disgusting behavior... and to me appears to be petty jealousy - and yes Amy has done it to but NOTHING to the extent that Dani has.

Guiltyviewer

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wish I could transcribe this convo so folks who didn't have the feeds could maybe get a clearer sense of the tone and mood between them---this is a couple of females relaxing together, having the WHOLE PLACE to themselves for hours while Jason and Amy enjoy their evening away, too. They were looking forward to some wine, which was just delivered to the storage room (one bottle of red, for those who keep count or want to imagine they're getting sloshed :)).

They are remembering different things that have happened it the house, how they felt about it at the time, what they didn't know but later found out, etc...lots of laughing at themselves, and yes, at the others, but it's not vicious (IMHO).

They are also talking about a lot of other topics, including Tiffany's, modesty, shopping, jobs, old boyfriends, old bosses, how to make drinks, you name it...one thing leads to another which leads to another.

Jan

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
snoopy are you listening to the LF or just reading it? I am just curious??

and it's OK. I'm not taking it personally. I'm just with Guilty on this one.

Jan

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
and to show I am not taking it personally, I will even admit that now she is lieing about the veto and Marc and her trying to win it so she could veto him out!

I think, like whit said she is trying to secure herself as Lisa's choice if Lisa wins HOH.

Snoopyenta

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I understand that they are "joking"; however, did you ever hear the expression "True words are spoken in jest"? (or something like that:) ) Regardless of how the conversation about the 50G's came about...or why...or how they meant it-I still would like to see BB pull a REAL "Expect the unexpected" just about now. I also believe that even if people are intoxicated and say things in a joking way, that SOMETIMES it is something that the person was really thinking but now the "self censorship" is gone. Dani really does think she worked hard for the 50 G's (at least)and I have no doubt that she truly believes (with or without the effects of alcohol) that she deserves the money more than anyone else does. Just my opinion.

Jan

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well snoop I agree with you on that one. I also believe that she believes she has worked harder than the others (ie Lisa and Amy)for the final 2 and deserves the money. (I just happen to agree with her but that doesn't lessen the fact that I do agree with you)

JMHO FWIW

C1mag

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OH my God Dani just burped. I'm pretty sure it was some under handed move within the game. Yep, Yep I saw her blink a couple of times and that is morris code for, "I am gonna win" How cocky can this wicked evil creature be. Dang lisa is just so sweet. Oh man there goes dani breathing... lisa needs to smack her down for taking up that much oxygen. Holy crap Dani did it again... She's breathing! Dani isn't fooling us is she? All those kind things she is saying is just a suck up too the jury. She hates them look how her eyes are bugging out. I'm disgusted by her at this point... Lisa may have announced that Gerry is a pedifile but that damn Dani woman is just evil. Look at her she just cleared her throat. How condescending is that?... Hey this is kinda fun if you are really into creating a myth.

Snoopyenta

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Is it creating a myth to say that Dani did more than her share of lying and manipulating? Did she really work harder than anyone else? (oh yes, I forgot how exhausting it is to get others to do your dirty work) I believe that each of the remaining participants have worked hard in different ways to be where they are right now-it is all a question of perspective. Amy and Lisa had to endure being up for eviction. I for one, would have loved to see how Dani would have fared in that situation-do ya think she would have handled it gracefully? Here's what I see-I see Lisa's unselfishness in the phone challange, I see that Lisa, Amy and Jason did not knowingly fabricate stories about the other houseguests in an effort to influence anyone. I don't see the same overt,underhanded, sneaky tactics. So-in my opinion, I would like to see Arnold do something to level the playing field. It's just a game...It's just a game...It's just a game...LOL

C1mag

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She's just evil snoop she's just the spawn of hell!! In a game where lying and manipulating is part of the process she just did too much of it. She did it in her sleep I could tell. Right now she really doesn't like the food and drink she is lying I can tell!!! You are right she alone did so much lying and manipulating that it is the first time in reality game show history that such a level of lying and manipulating has been achieved. Damn her to the bowels of hell! ... Man this can be fun :)

Who do we do next?

Bailey

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Is it my imagination or is there an inordinate amount of bullying going on here from Dani supporters? Every thread I open lately, the same posters are mocking those who find anything negative about her. I thought this way an open and friendly message board where opposing points of views were not only allowed, but welcomed.
Am I the only one that is feeling this way lately?

Abby

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She has "GUILTY" in red on her chest! SEE! The Celebrating may be somewhat premature. But she did make it to the final 4, and that is something. And her chances are good to make it to the final 2.