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Whit4you

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tally

"The taxes on 500K are a lot more than 50 K so she wanted to save money."


LOL!!!! Your cute :)

Sounds more like Krista logic then Dani logic that line.

C1mag

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe thats why Dani didn't think that trash talking would be her downfall from the house. They were all doing it. However, because she became the chief player in the game all of a sudden she was the author of it. It's unfortunate but that happens.

It's really odd for me as a viewer because I keep saying that although I didn't care for Roddys game if he had remained I would have voted for him in the end if I had been in the house. I really can overlook certain things. I just wish those in the house could do that but it probably won't happen and that is cool.

Sawyou

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tallyho,

I read all of your "reasons" and actually those are all reasons she SHOULD win money! It's a GAME! She didn't leave her hubby and kids for three months to frolic and look like dork on TV like most of the HGs.

Thanks for the laugh!

Tallyho

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag: you keep saying that Dani "suckered" or did something to prevent people from nominating her.
Who??
The people in HoH were not even thinking about nominating Dani THEY LIKED HER
The people were either worried about Josh's behavior or concerned with couples (R+CH or L+E)
people like Gerry or CH or Amy were NEVER considering putting her up. Dani "suckered" nobody.
Marc was just an idiot
like I said anyone who does not have the common sense to use PoV on himself is just an idiot.
Its not a matter of being "suckered" because he had to worry about 3 different peoples actions when he chose not to veto himself.
He was just stupid.
I just think if she was as smart and a great game player as SHE thinks and as others here think she would have kept her big mouth shut.
And I am not talking about one or two comments I am talking about constant trashing of houseguests that actually liked her.
I am still waiting for someone to explain to me what purpose it served.
Has Jason said nothing but kind things about everyone? NO
has Jason gone out of his way to constantly trash others? NO
it makes no sense to do so and is NOT smart play.

C1mag

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Penpoint.. Come on now did you miss Wills rude comment about the others in the dr?

He flat out said he hated them all. Called Monica a stupid idiot. Said on more than one ocassion that if Bunky wins the game it would be an embarassment to the show. He was vicious about Nicole as well calling her thursdays garbage. Gee if that is polite I think I'd pass on him as a buddy in life.

Roddy calls dani a scumbag and b@tch for simply getting him nominated. Now I don't know about you but isn't that trash talking? Early on he told eric that Tonya was a walking joke just by how she looked. Is that trash talking?

Was Roddy the best player? Well he got evicted so I don't think he can have that title :)

I still say that if he would have made it to the end I would have voted for him. I may not have liked the way he played on emotions but if he got away with it I'd reward him.

Tallyho

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sawyou: So by Danis behavior she has not looked like a dork???
She has looked like a mean spirited person.
And when she alienates people who were going to vote for her to win the $$$ she will look like the biggest Dork in the game.
Because the prize was in her hands
these people were NOT sore losers
they left the house and stated they wanted Dani to win.
Now because of Danis big mouth they no longer feel that way.
AGAIN
please someone tell me what her strategy was???
If your reason is "everyone else did it" all the MORE reason for Dani not to do it.
She is not a smart game player.
She cost herself the grand prize.
had she kept her big fat mouth shut she would be the hands down winner against ANY of the other house guests.

C1mag

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tallyho Marcellus was going to nominate her durring his last hoh.

If you are asking for a reason why people talk trash there really isn't one. Unfortunately it happened. You'd have to ask them all why they did it.. Was her mouth any bigger than the others? Not really but it's like I said... If you are the chief player in the game anything you say and do will be magnified.

I still think that the real reason she lost the support of the evicted was because she outplayed them and they can't get over it. She snowed them so damn good they had no idea. Everything she had done is backed up by the rules. The trash talking was not her's alone. They all did it.

Cmore

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tallyho, you hit the nail on the head and C1mag or no one else is not going to have a good answer for why Dani trashed the people who liked her as they left the house.

I think prhaps the best answer may be that its just Dani, doing what she does best....trash talking about people. VERY, VERY DUMB in the context of a game.

They can all rattle about second place and 50K, but at what cost? The money aside, second place is only the FIRST LOSER.

Punkin

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whyd doesn't anyone see Lisa as a gameplayer? Isn't flying under the radar a legit strategy? I mean...granted...she was playing on the wrong side to begin with, but she knew when to jump ship and switch sides. Who's to say she just isn't someone who holds her cards close? My impression is that she sees Dani for who she is and doesn't fully trust her. Her internet chat displayed this when she said she felt Dani is threatening and intimidating. I think she just has not played the game as openly aggressive, but that doesn't mean she hasn't been playing. Haven't ya'll heard of being passive-aggressive? Many times quiet patience wins in the end...not necessarily the loud aggressive player. JMHO mind you.

C1mag

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tallyho thank you, thank you, thank you for proving what many of us have been saying...

You said, "had she kept her big fat mouth shut she would be the hands down winner against ANY of the other house guests. "

Many of us have said that if the Jury ( who also engaged in vile conversations about the others) would suck it up and put asside her words then she would definitely be the winner. Thats all we've been saying.

The challenge should be to not point a finger over words. Especially if that person has done the same thing. They walked away thinking they should win and yet they had trash talked as well. Now all of a sudden she should be faulted for it. It takes a big man or woman to look past hurt feelings and words and just look at the game and once you do then you arrive at the same conclusion you have. She was the best player.

Ericka1012

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani doesn't deserve to be rewarded the grand prize because of her DR entries not her actions in the house...I don't like the way she acted there but if she would have been kinder in the DR's...I wouldn't be so upset that she's getting anything...I don't think you have to bash people to get to the end...Jason and Lisa didn't for the most part...even if she used that as leverage to other HG's it's much differant than to say those things in the DR...I think she is a cruel person...so I'll be praying for Lisa to get HOH and make Dani walk out the door...I know I'm dreaming but I'll still be hoping....

Tallyho

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag: Marc told the diary room when he was HoH that he KNEW that Dani wanted him to nominate Roddy and do her dirty work. He said she wants me to do it and then she will get rid of me after I do it. He was not "suckered" he had it right on the nose. Yet he chose to do the stupid thing and do exactly what she wanted and then he chose NOT to veto himself.
Marc proved he was just an idiot
it was not Dani being some great player Marc was a moron.
But using your theory these players LOVED Dani and WANTED her to win and they were NOT OFFENDED by her talking trash about them (even AFTER they were evicted) they did not care about that.
They were just mad that the person they loved and wanted to win was playing the game so well???
Does that really make sense??
Tonya: "call me a bad mother, that is fine but oh wait Dani is playing such a good game NOW that makes me angry I was rooting for her all while she was insulting me but now that she is playing so well I have to vote against her"
Gerry: "I love Dani, I want her to win, she calls me nasty makes fun of my appearance, my grooming, laughs at me thats OK I still love her WAIT she is playing the game well grrrrrr. how dare she!! Now she has lost my vote!! Its one thing to be nice to my face and insult me behind my back but to play the game well, thats unforgiveable!!!! she has now lost my vote!!"
Chiara: "Dani is like a Mom to me, I love her, I hope she wins. She is calling me a wh0re thats OK, she is calling me a cheap nasty s!ut, thats OK shes like a Mom to me, I will always love her. WAIT A SECOND Dani is playing the game well!!!! I cant stand that, I wanted her to win before but she has gone too far. How dare my "Mom" play the game well. My Mom can call me a wh0re but don't play the game well or I will disown you!!!
Should I go on with more examples??
because your "theory" is about as foolish as Dani's strategy.

C1mag

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
cmore can anyone explain why the others trashed talked? Were they all a bunch of hurtful malicous people? Unfortunately sometimes things like that happen. It's not a good thing but when the entire house engages in it they need to be big enough not to punish just one for doing it.

It really is stretching it to call either one of the final two losers. The fact is if you get to the end you are one of the winners. The amount of money you recieve for your efforts is just a bonus.

Punkin

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they trashed talked the others to alleviate their own feelings of guilt for those people being nominated...they were trying to make themselves feel better about remaining in the house. Sort of like "survivor's guilt" that people have when they survive a catastrophe and others don't. It was their way of convincing themselves that they deserved to still be there while the others didn't by putting them down. I chalk it up to human nature (albeit a not so pretty aspect of it).

C1mag

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tallyho... If Dani were the only one trashing them then I could see faulting her. That was my point and you came to that conclusion.

As far as Tonya being called and unfit mother... She needs to suck that up real fast. She told Dani she was loaded on drugs when she concieved all 5 of her kids. Now I don't know about you but I'm thinking that comment wasn't exactly made by a fit mother.

Gerry being called "nasty" was not an exclusive right by Danis. Even Jason got in some good digs about the mans hygiene.

Chiara called herself a wh_re. I really wouldn't fault anyone else for calling he what she feels she is.

It's like I said... You admit she played the best game you just are holding her words over her head. In your theory NONE of them would have deserved the grand prize.

Sorry but right after Marc won the gpov he said he was gonna use it. She played on his dilusional belief that he would stay based on popularity. She suckered him right out the door. He NEVER said she would go after him. Look at his parting words. He believed she would never vote against him. His departure was the best move in the game. He had no idea he was the real target.

Bmh

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree C1mag the 2 people that make the final 2 are actually the best no matter what they did in the house..they did something right and either one of 2 deserve to win the grand prize for making it that far

Tallyho

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag: I NEVER said Dani played the game the best, I said some of the people you feel she has "suckered" were just flat out dopes.
The others I said actually liked her
and because of her being a Mother of 2 children and what they thought was a nice person they were rooting for her to win.
Because Dani chose to continually trash them (not just a remark here or there as you like to hint at) but because she trashed them (even after they were gone CONSTANTLY) she has shown that she is NOT A SMART PLAYER and is in fact a terrible player.
Part of the game is "suckering" the houseguests once they are outside the house too.
Because Tonya or Gerry is out of the house does not mean they are out of the game.
A good player realizes that and realizes that evicted players will watch both past and future events in the house when they decide who to vote for the grand prize winner.
Just making it to the final 3
final 2
does not mean you played some strategically genius game.
In fact most of these Survivor type games the most mediocre player wins (the dopes and smart ones get evicted)
You then have to get people you made walk out that door come back in and say you deserve to to win.
Dani has never grasped that fact.
and therefore is NOT a smart player.

Bmh

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tallyho I disagree with just about every single post you have sent on this thread..You obviously dont have a good handle on what happened in the house..I think you need to go over your facts a bit
Go C1..tell this him/her whats what

Punkin

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dani played the most strategic game out of them all, but she did not play the smartest game in that she would have played for the end (meaning the jury vote)...she wouldn't have just played for the final two. I guess that means I agree with Tallyho. ;D

Bkmac

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Every single player that was in the house would have DESERVED the money if they made final 2. I'm waiting for a single intelligent argument for why Dani would somehow be exempt from the entire premise of the BB game (be one of the last two standing and win a bunch of moolah) Since she is not in the final 2 yet we don't know if she "deserves a dime" yet or not, we'll know tonight.

Sorry but "Wah I'm a viewer and I don't like her" isn't a legitimate reason to disqualify her (or anyone else), next time you are in the BB house with her you can vote her off early on and then you'll have a say :)

C1mag

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tally you did say that if she had kept her big fat mouth shut then she would be the hands down winner.

What many of us are saying is that if they challenged themselves too look beyond words they would see what you have aknowledged... Hands down, minus the words, she has been the best player. It would be diferent to fault her if she alone trash talked but she did not.

If it was played your way then as I said none of them would be worthy of the grand prize amount. I could give you comments from the remaining house guests that weren't too nice as well. Does the jury decide which words hurt them the least? What a waist of time. Just put the words asside and aknowlege the one that played you out of the game.

Tallyho

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BMH: what do you disagree with? That people who would have voted for Dani now are not going to??
that the "smarter" thing to do would have been to NOT trash people?
that for $500K it might be smart NOT to insult people?
you disagree with that?

Bmh

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree C1..I hate people that pretend to be all nice and goody goody just for face and appearance..Dani was blunt honest the whole time she was there..she spoke her mind and played the game..hel Roddy couldn't even be honest in the DR..thats why he was so boring on the show..Dani said and did what she wanted without caring what others thought and that is a tough thing to do also

Misslibra

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Dani gets any money I feel it should be second place, because of the way she has played the game. I don't want to see her get first place.

Punkin, I agree with your post about Lisa. I think she had played a good game because you could never read her. And her being quiet and patient in this game has also been a good strategy.

I think she is on to Dani and Jason alliance. And that lie Dani told Lisa about there not being a alliance with Jason might come back and bite Dani in her rear end. And leave her with no money. Because as Dani would say I see things, well my friend I think Lisa sees things to and she can see what is up between Jason and Dani.

Misslibra

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That people who would have voted for Dani now are not going to??
that the "smarter" thing to do would have been to NOT trash people?
that for $500K it might be smart NOT to insult people?
you disagree with that?


Tallyho, I agree with that and I'm sure the evicted HG's will agree with that to.