Archive through September 13, 2002
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Archive through September 13, 2002
Babsbunny3 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:14 am     Last night Lisa sealed the deal with me when she stated that she figures "Lisa fans consist of guys." Huh? So she thinks so highly of her body and sexiness that she believes women would be jealous? Is that it? No, Lisa. Actually I am a woman and I was fond of you. I was a fan. I'm so sick of her high and mighty, "I look too good to be liked by women," attitude, paired with her "I look so good that men turn into pervs around me." Now I realize many people get mad and say "OH YOUR JUST JEALOUS." No. I like Lisa. I enjoy her beauty and her smile and her sensitivity. But I feel duped, how can she be sensitive when she makes a comment like that? When she said it, I thought to myself about all the girls on this website defending LIsa and her clothes and her thong, etc. and I thought to myself gee, that was nice Lisa. You have no faith in other women? Other women can't possibly like you? Why? Maybe because of your idea that your body is so gorgeous it must be on display at all times and yet no one better look. ???? Im just disappointed thats all. Why can't Lisa see that some women may be fans of her because she's pretty and fun to watch and we all saw a real romance w/ her, etc. I feel bad for her if she thinks all women would naturally hate her. What an ugly attitude. I still like Lisa but if I were her friend I'd call her out on this one. JMHO |
Oregonfire | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:20 am     I thought that comment was a bit suspect too, and wondered at her reasoning. It sounded a bit conceited. I've always liked Lisa okay, but when I haven't it's because she kinda boring. On the other hand, maybe she was fishing for a date, and imagining all the possibilities when she gets out? Oh well, who knows? |
Lisa_Or_Dani | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:27 am     I'm a chick and she was initially my favorite. I thought she would be a stronger competitor. Damn! Wrong again. She ended up riding everyone's coattails instead. She stuck with the strongest person in the house, whether it was Roddy and the gang or Dani. |
Justin42 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:30 am     Ok.. I'm a guy ... but came a little late to the Lisa party (I didn't really care for her until after Eric left)... but I didn't read that as her dismissing women-- especially since she's said on the live feeds multiple times that she's never felt that she's THAT pretty and that her friends are so much prettier than she is (which, I would question the extreme she's stated that given last night's show).. It was probably semi-prompted by the DR ("Do you think your fan base is mostly men or women?")... she's said the "crazy bartender" thing for the ad was totally scripted. |
Bbfanatic | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:30 am     i heard it but didnt take it "serious". no big deal to me. the "only" thing that bothers me about lisa is what she has said about gerry. when i say the "only" thing that is not to be taken lightly. |
Beegee | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:31 am     The comment did sound a bit arrogant to this much less beautiful female fan. However, a lot of pretty girls don't realize until later in life that they have more to offer than their looks. The comment may not be all arrogance, it may also reflect some lack of self esteem. |
Crazydog | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:31 am     I think perhaps you are being a little too harsh. I'm sure she was asked something along the lines of, how do you feel about possibly chatting on the internet with Lisa fans? The girl did not apply for BB and I think the only thing she knew about it is the from watching the tapes that were provided to her. She probably has this concept of BB as people at home sitting at the computer and watching on TV waiting for the houseguests to take their clothes off. Naturally, she thinks the people that would most like to watch her are male. I only heard the very beginning of her snippet about how a Lisa fan is likely male, so I am not sure if she said the part about women being jealous of her or if that was just your interpretation. |
Gina8642 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:32 am     I think Lisa has a low self opinion/esteem of herself. I'm not entirely sure why, but I've seen it exhibited several times. She knows from experience that guys react to her very nice body, so she knows guys like her but she is much less secure in how women perceive her. She has said she's had problems with women thinking she is a b*tch. I don't think she is, but she clearly thinks/worries that women don't like her. Lisa clearly (IMO) doesn't have a very good radar to figure how other people perceive her. She is clueless about Gerry, and was clueless about Chiara. She also fails to realize that Amy might make a better ally than Dani. Anyway, I like Lisa most of the time, and I'm female. And, I'm not disappointed in her for thinking this. It shows her self esteem is low, not that she has low character. |
Bigger | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:35 am     They just showed a snippet of her DR. How do we know she wasn't asked leading question by BB and it just sounded conceited by the way it was edited? I'm just saying.... |
Wedge | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 12:41 pm     Lisa...low self esteeem? I am clearly watching a different live feed and TV show as you. Seems mighty confident in her body to me. But then again, to each his/her own. BB just has Lisa still playing a "role"...obviously they want Jason to win this AC...being that we are not all 13 to 25 yr old boys as Roddy had thought. |
Crazydog | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 12:53 pm     No, I agree with Beegee and Gina. Lisa does have some low self-esteem problems. I watched a long chat between her and Roddy in the HoH one night where she talked about how when she first got into the house several people complimented on her hair and she was utterly amazed because she never thought much of it. She also replayed something Roddy said to her early on that was very complimentary and she was so moved by it. She was not used to people finding her interesting or attractive. |
Simoned | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:01 pm     I'm a female Lisa fan and I didn't take her comment too seriously. She might feel like she is often judged on the basis of her looks/body, but it doesn't mean that she likes it that way. After all, most of the complimentary things that Eric said to her were about her body. I'm a Lisa fan because, as her friends said yesterday on the live show, Lisa has a good heart. I think she's a caring person. I remember how upset she was after she felt she hurt Chiara by not voting for her. Lisa's comments in AC didn't offend me also because I do think they were taken out of context and edited by CBS. |
Curlyq | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:01 pm     I think Lisa assumes that a Lisa fan would probably be a male because that's the market she's been targeting. She's been walking around in skimpy attire for the male viewers, not for her fellow HGs. I think she's what you'd call a "man's woman". That was the role she went in to play and that's the audience she is assuming she has reached. For the most part she's probably right. There are some female Lisa fans, but I'm sure there are even more male fans. I also don't believe that Lisa is assuming all BB fans are men watching to see people take their clothes off. When Amy returned she went on and on about the different fans she met and how surprised she was that children were watching. They know the fans aren't just men. |
Cameramanbob | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:02 pm     Lisa is going to really benefit from having been in Big Brother. Her awareness (of herself, oh, heck of pretty much all things human!) will go way up from this trial by media. The cool thing about Lisa as she is now is that you just know she ain't spinning ANY kind of image on you. I like that about her (& Amy, too.) |
Richardfan | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:03 pm     Babs- Your interpretation of Lisa's statement reminded me of a conversation between a husband and wife that I found amusing and illustrated how statements can be interpreted in different ways. The couple were bowling and he picks up her bowling ball and says "Gee hon, your bowling ball is really light", and she, without hesitation said, "What do you mean I'm weak?" I'm not saying your wrong, just thought I'd share... |
Babsbunny3 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:05 pm     Crazydog, Lisa did not say anything about jealousy, I was just interpreting her comment in my own way. None of the other houseguests must have gotten the "leading question" about whether their fans were male or female because no one else came up w/ a comment like that. Am I being too hard on Lisa? Well maybe, but like I said in my post, if I were her friend, I wouldn't just hate her, I'd talk to her about why she thinks women don't like her. Sheesh we are all on here defending her and she has this assumption...I'm just saying, it was rude. Of course that is my OPINION and not a fact. Thanks to all of you for the discussion, and your honesty. This is a great group of people! |
Babsbunny3 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:09 pm     Just have to add, I am still a Lisa admirerer. I still don't like the comment and I would definately ask her about it if given the chance. |
Yellek | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:20 pm     "Lisa...low self esteeem? I am clearly watching a different live feed and TV show as you. Seems mighty confident in her body to me. " I agree she's confident about her body. But that is only one portion of her total self esteem. I think she has a low self esteem as a whole person. |
Jeeny98 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:24 pm     Babs, I felt the same way when she said that. I was a fan, and I'm a woman. So, I took her comment personally. LOL I thought it was a little snotty (catty) to say, that men will be her fans. Heck, she is confident of her body or she wouldn't be wearing the clothing she does. Maybe that's why she thinks that men will be the fans, not women. Because her low self-esteem is based on her personality (not her looks), or her perceived lack of being uninteresting. |
Sheila494 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:26 pm     i didnt take lisas comment in a negative way toward women and we must admit that she is an extremely beautiful woman and i can imagine a lot of women are jealous of her..wouldnt suprise me. |
Jeeny98 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:27 pm     My last sentence didn't make much sense. Sorry. I think she thinks she's not all that interesting, but knows men find her attractive, so therefore her fans will be men, not woman. Because she doesn't think she is interesting enough. |
Jeeny98 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:32 pm     Sheila, you're right. But I did take offense, because I said to myself, "hey, I'm a fan" I may be a little envious of her age, but I also really appreciate her looks too. I was young once, and got a lot of attention. I'm just envious that I didn't know how hot I was at her age. I would have taken advantage of it. lol I'm fighting middle age to the end! No, I don't want to go!! So, I wish I was young again. |
Justin42 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:33 pm     Yellek-- Agreed-- it sounds like she has been discouraged from having any internal self esteem. She knows she's attractive, but she's talked repeatedly about how her parents strongly discouraged her from ever opening up, or talking about herself-- basically she's said that they said people won't find her interesting ("what makes you think you're such an interesting person that you should be talking all about yourself?"-- I remember that line as I did the LFP, it was in the HoH w/ Chiara and Dani). I think it has a lot to do with her upbringing... She doesn't seem to view herself in a favourable light against other people under ANY circumstances, and I don't think it's part of her "game". (if it is, then in Dani's words, "she's gooooooood") I think the way she views her looks is completely separate from the way she sees "herself". Some of the things she's said about herself have been almost heartbreaking about what a low view of herself she really has... (don't get me wrong-- I don't think she's the most beautiful woman ever-- but I think she has a lot more to give than looks, but she doesn't see that in herself) I'm probably a 'fan' of hers since she really reminds me a very good friend of mine-- she's gorgeous, comes across as a bit self-obsessed when you first meet her, but is an incredibly sweet and good person when you get to really know her. |
Yellek | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:53 pm     Justin: Wow, I didn't know she said that about not talking about herself. No wonder she's so quiet a lot of the time. Sheesh. I know a lot of people have complained about all her skimpy clothes. (I'd wear the same if I could get away with it!) I'll bet she focuses on that so much because she's views her good body as her only asset so she feels she needs to play it up as much as possible. |
Crazydog | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:55 pm     Yellek, yes, her parents raised her not to talk about herself. When she was in kindergarten everyone was supposed to say something about themselves and she said something the teacher and her parents considered inappropriate. From that point on her parents reiterated to her over and over again that she is not to talk about her personal life unless someone asks her directly. |
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