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Bohawkins

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that one of the problems when you cut off people from starting new threads is that they just end up bombing threads which otherwise could be good ones. Last year the Ewing conspiracy threads were excellent.

Here we have a few serious posters, and then those that just want to use it as a chat room with personal exchanges, and then we have those who want to post their comedy routines. I ask that you show some respect for your fellow posters (as Ryn asked in the start of the thread), and refrain from ruining the thread.

My suggestion is that Ryn create a thread (since the privilege is denied to members now) for comedy conspiracy theories, and yet another thread for people who wish to use the board as a chat room.

Caddoh

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Perhaps, Bo, you could publish some sort of Posting in the Conspiracy Thread manual, listing your rules and regulations for grinless posting?
I sure wasn't aware of the need for serious examination of verified conspiracy; it seems, to me, that the very words Ryn used (gossip & rumor)
gave permission for fun and speculation. I'll be happy to join the others who have been relegated to standing in the corner, until the serious poster guidelines have been published:)

Jimmer

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Caddoh, You mean that Huck and Boo don't really have two way radios inside? Darn!

Caddoh

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
mfffle mfffle.....'can't talk, until I read rules. sorry:)

Bohawkins

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Caddoh... I love the comedy threads. That was not my point. My point is that serious conspiracy threads are fun, in and of themselves. Comedy threads are a riot! I just propose to keep them separate. This way you see some really intriguing concepts get developed, as they did last year.

This situation is not the fault of the comedy posters, it is the fault of the over-moderation policy of cutting off the creation of new threads.

Auntiedotcom

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, if you watched Marcellus do the lazer thing, it was pretty obvious he was the only one with legs long enough to step OVER the lazers. The competition took something like 14 hours to set up... no way did it actually take that long.

What TOOK THAT LONG was having two stand-ins with heights and leg lengths the approximate same as Amy and Marcellus run the course so they could make sure Amy could go UNDER easily, Marcellus could go over, and Danielle and Jason could not do either one easily.

Danielle has a BIG butt, at least 3 inches higher when laying flat than Amy has. Marcellus has legs at least 3 inches longer than Jason's legs.

AND... I believe the DR influenced Marcellus to either not use the GPOV or to use it on AMY - which he SHOULD have done if he really wanted to be a star.

If he'd thought about it enough, he would have realized he couldn't make it to final two, and saving Amy would have insured him more press than anyone else in the house.

AMY and JASON are the most beloved of the houseguests any given moment. BB is planning another "unexpected" twist, one that will hopefully put Amy against Dani at the end of the show.

Bohawkins

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, it was just too convenient that Marcellas won the GPOV. They just didn't count on his stupidity in not using it.

I would be interesting to find out if, in fact, it would have been impossible for anyone else to have won it.

Caddoh

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sooo, Bo, there is no comedy in "serious" conspiracy threads... I guess that I've not seen one, because I can't imagine actually and seriously ~believing~ that there is a serious conspiracy problem, in an escapist "reality" show. I can see that contestants conspire to close others out of contention. That's part of the entertainment. But, the idea of ranking BB3 anywhere near the territory of, say, the JFK "conspiracy" theory, would lead me to believe that I needed serious and immediate counseling.
Is there a middle-ground area here, which I'm not seeing? (serious question. 'sorry to "converse" here, but I must definitely be missing quite a bit.)

Ryn

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bo, in case u missed it the option to start threads is back on :)

Caddoh

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Aauntiedotcom (cute name): Why couldn't Jason just go under, like Amy? Size definitely didn't matter, for him, in this area.

Jimmer

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason came very close to winning. Having said that, I think it's obvious that they do design challenges to favor certain houseguests.

Mollywood

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that they set things up to get the outcome they hope for...i think i may have said this somewhere else, but dani, was a sho in , i thought for the hoh, because it was all about things that someone who played the closest attention to the game would win...like how many times so and so got hoh...that would be Dani..and i hope a car isnt given to anyone but amy..they are sitting there so smug now...we need a torture not a wrap prize. i want my mtv!!

Bohawkins

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Caddoh - I think that big brother discussions are all humorous (who could really take this seriously), but the idea that there could be producer manipulation to cause the show to go the way the producers want is not "beyond the pale." So, talking about how that could happen, and citing evidence that it did (circumstantial or otherwise), is a source of great amusement.

This board is all about fun, and if you missed the Ewing conspiracy threads last year, then I can understand your not knowing the difference between a "serious" conspiracy theory and a comedy posting.

The use of the word "conspiracy," or the term "serious," does not imply that it must approach the level of the JFK conspiracy. All here is just for fun.

Sorry to have caused you so much confusion. I don't want you to have to seek any counseling.

Jimmer

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Briefly, since you mentioned it twice, what was the Ewing conspiracy last year? I don't recall it.

Caddoh

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yup, Jimmer and Mollywood, after BB1, which had all of the power and drama of "whitenoise," the Shapiro bunch snapped to attention, and added more interest to the show, by devising situations and contests with almost guaranteed outcomes. No doubt. It must be difficult, during these last couple of weeks, to make an interesting show. The sponge game should be cute, but the show has lost a lot of the drama contributed by the likes of Marcellus and Roddy.

Caddoh

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No, Bo. I have an appointment, with "Dr. Phil," on Monday. He'll be able to help reconstruct my sense of self worth, and clear up my confusion. Keep workin' on those rules, now, ya hear?:)

Tobor7

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hate to say this, but I don't think they are making the comps up at the last second. Many of them involve props, art dept. people and the like. They have to test the comp to make sure it can be done-- safety, etc.
I'm sure all the comps are made before the show ever goes on the air. There are probably a few extra ones as well that they don't use.
The best manipulation they might have is selecting WHEN a certain comp is used... but of course some take longer than others-- some designed for THREE people... plus many of them have to be able to be built inside the house in case of weather problems.
It also seems to me that the actual HG's are not selected until 2 weeks before the show starts, so they only have limited time to design comps to favor a certain HG.
The less time you have to make this stuff... the more it costs. So they are WAY ahead of the curve on prop rentals and building.
The best we can think, is that the questions asked in comps are rigged. Hints given in the DR etc.
I know there is a betting office pool at ASP for the winner thought!
Think about that.

Bohawkins

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jimmer -

Ewing was a poster last year, who came up with some rather detailed, but quite plausible postings which posed theories, and gave believable evidence that the show's various outcomes week by week were indeed fixed.

Other posters, took the bait, and advanced more theories with other evidence. Still others, debated the topics, and attempted to logically impeach the testimony of the conspiracy theorists.

The Ewing debates were some of the fastest and most furious threads on the board, and they were riotous fun. This year, many posters have asked the question, "Where is Ewing?."

But, Ewing didn't come back this year evidently. I sense some kind of conspiracy there.

Jimmer

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's great that BB is manipulating the game and making it more interesting for us. And they have every right to do so because they are "Big Brother".

Good point about preparing the games re. props etc., but some of them are a little suspicious in their favoring certain houseguests. The ones that come to mind the most are the bathtub and the obstacle course balancing the book on the head.

Caddoh

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bo: 'just curious, here, but did some of the theories still seem plausible, ~after~ the show, based on who actually won?

Jimmer

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've followed this board and all the shows very closely. I think it's a conspiracy that I missed the Ewing posts! Seriously, it does show how things that are noted by some people are missed by others (I still can't believe that I either missed or don't remember the conspiracy theories last year - it's such entertaining stuff)

Tobor7

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems like a lot of the games are ripped off from small home versions of the game in question. Some are ripped from other shows like Survivor. Shows a lack of imagination on the part of the producers.

Tobor7

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Evidence that people from ASP read all these posts:

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Wendo

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mollywood said, "I agree that they set things up to get the outcome they hope for...i think i may have said this somewhere else, but dani, was a sho in , i thought for the hoh, because it was all about things that someone who played the closest attention to the game would win."

Actually, this weeks HOH competition was a shoo in for all three who participated if they paid attention to each other this entire time. That's part of the game in BB. Pay attention as you go. (Other competitions that ask such questions are the same. ie: evicted HG questions.) I honestly don't see how this HOH was geared more for Dani than Lisa, and even Amy. All the questions asked related to times when all three were in the house. Dani only won by one point.

Tobor7

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
After seeing the footage again tonight of the HOH comp, I could see the HG's reflections in the windows. If I could see them, then they could see them.
Anyone look to see of Dani was looking down or up when she was "thinking"?