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C1mag

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So Miss you think That instead of Lisa thinking she could beat Dani in the finals for the bigger money that she will spank her for lying and try to take on Jason in the finals without knowing for sure how the evicted would vote? I don't know but I would think Lisa would be playing for the big money if she thought she had a legit chance and since all she knows is that many of the evicted liked Jason she may want to play it safe. Who cares how much money dani gets if you think you can actually win the whole thing against her.

Sbw

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I should keep my mouth shut but..... I don't think there is any way that the rules say specifically to lie, trash talk, etc the other HGs. If someone can prove me wrong, fine, I would love to see the rules. The way each person plays from what I can see is up to them. Face it, if the evicted HGs do not "like" the way Dani has played they have ever right to vote against Dani. Geez, just because they don't vote for Dani doesn't mean they are sore losers. This game is what the players make it, not what we want or what one player wants. If Jason thought Dani's "out there" way of playing was so great, I am sure he would be doing the same thing.... Josh did. That is why Josh will want Dani to win, she is playing the game the way he thinks it should be played.

Has Dani crossed the line? I have no clue, ask the jury, they will tell us what this game of BB3 was about in a few nights.

Oh well..... I won't darken the doors of this thread, again...... OK if I peek in I will be quiet.... :)

C1mag

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have no doubt they will base their votes on hurt feelings and negative comments. However, if they had made it too the finals how were they suppose to win if that was the sole criteria for the grand prize amount? Let me guess... Danis comments were of coarse more vicious than the others? Yeah right! However, they will definitely fault her for it. Gerry is gonna have a touch call if its dani and lisa though. Dani rags on him for poor hygiene while lisa calls him a pedifile. Phew wouldn't want to be in his shoes...

Misslibra

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, I just think we should expect the unexpected. Lisa might be willing to take her chances with Jason and if she don't get the first prize second will still be quite nice.

Punkin

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is just my opinion...it boils down to being a good sport vs. a bad sport. There's being a good winner, and there's being a bad winner. Bad winners--even after they have clearly beaten their opponent, will still put down their opponents, trying to humiliate the loser...it's like winning was not enough - they have to demoralize their opponent to boot. Good winners shake hands at the end and say "good game".

C1mag

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would think that if they fault Dani for the same actions they produced in the game then that would be called a "sore loser"

Sbw

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And FWIW I wouldn't have spanked any of the HGs, I would have put them all in "time out" many times and they would have spent about 75% of the last 3 months thinking about their actions. :)

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
With Dani making the comment about his kids possibly being as stupid as Gerry, (among other comments she made about Gerry well after he left), he may go for a Lisa vote, especially if he believes Lisa was really calling him "only" a pervert.

Now if it was Dani and Josh he had to pick between....Dani might have a chance.

It all depends on hwo each jury defines "played the best game" no matter who the final 2 are.

Tallyho

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1Mag: YES YES YES I have said IF Dani kept her big fat mouth shut she WOULD have won. That IS MY POINT it does not prove your point.
If she was smart she would have kept her mouth shut and NOT been like others (in fact she was WORSE-far worse than others) with trash talking.
The fact that she HAD THE GAME WON then blew it is my point.
You just want to focus on the first half of what I said.
You also want to fault house guests for feeling insulted by Dani's repeated cruel words (as opposed to a FEW times by others)
Dani has a right to say these things a player but the guests don't have the right to change their opinion of her based on the insults.

Sbw

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1, with a different set of HGs, I believe Dani's way of playing would have given her the prize hands down. But.... since there is no set criteria and this group of HGs chose to play a different way, you can't fault them. Saying if you won't let me win, you are a sore loser? Kids play games like that, small kids, when they make up the rules as they go. :)

Punkin

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do agree with Cmag on the point that Dani is not the only one...all of them were very bad sports to a degree, even Jason. Just some worse than others.

Punkin

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, I agree Sbw...if they were my kids, they ALL would have been in time out at one time or other.

Trisha1

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A fitting outcome for me would be Danielle-0 bucks. BTW- Definately not the sharpest tool in the shed to alienate the people who were taken in by her in the first place-helloooooooo.

Pcnot

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As I have stated before, coulda shoulda-ect. Dani has to put it bluntly, publicly stuck all ten of her fingers up her butt. She is just clueless.

Tallyho

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag: Did you ever think that maybe the reason these house guests were rooting for Dani to win was that they thought she was NOT LIKE THE OTHERS and insulting and talking trash about people.
But when they find out she is FAR WORSE than the others they should vote for her because she "suckered" them into thinking she was a nice person??
Its one thing to deceive people into thinking you are a weak player or a follower but to deceive people into thinking you are a nice person when in fact you are the nastiest meanest person in the house is NOT THE SAME and not being a sore loser.
And for the 5th or 6th time I ask
what was the purpose of trashing these people??
Because others did it????
It made no sense.
It has cost her the game.
EVEN IF THE HOUSE GUESTS ARE OVER-REACTING well Dani should NOT have given them something to over-react to.
She took part in mean spirited and insulting behavior that had NO STRATEGIC PURPOSE in the game and that ONLY alienated people who loved her and were rooting for her.
It MADE NO SENSE
she could have played the most masterful and intelligent game in the history of Big Brother it does not matter AFTER doing that she cost herself the money.
So she HAS NOT played a smart game.
Has nothing to do with how I feel about Dani.
How she played in OTHER aspects of the game.
She did something that TOOK AWAY votes she had in her pocket.
There is no way to explain that as smart play.
No matter how desperately you or others try to defend it.
She blew it.
She played a bad game.
If you don't like that expression, I'll change it.
She played a good 2nd place game (only because the jury can't take 2nd place away from her)
But as far as winning it all.
She failed to look at the big picture.

Punkin

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know this is off subject. I would have likes to see a show down between and Dani, Will, Nicole and Roddy. Now THAT would have been really interesting TV.

Monalisa

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Do you think it is possible to play the game and end up in the final 2 without backstabbing?

I don't see how it would be possible. That would mean if you don't like somebody you either tell them about it or ignore them. Guess who's nominating and/or evicting you? For the people you like, if it is more than one, you have to nominate and/or evict them. If you are up front about it, then guess what, you are next if they make it through. All of this is also assuming everybody is playing the same way.

Tally, I don't think they have to say "so what" to what Dani said about them. But, to avoid being a hypocrite, they should choose another criteria to base their vote on. They sure were enjoying the trash talk while they were in the house. Every last one of them trash talked, laughed at other trash talk, name-called and/or backstabbed. If they want to base it on Dani's talk, then they are all hypocrites, every last one of them.

And yes, Danielle and Jason did outsmart the others. None of them caught on to the alliance. Lisa has just recently begun to suspect it and after 3 months, she may have finally figured it out, but we don't know for sure. And to say that Danielle played a stupid game doesn't say much for the 9 (soon to be 10) evicted guests.

Punkin

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, Tallyho! I agree... She played a good 2nd place game.

Sherbabe

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
punkin,

Pay Per View

Csnog

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Some do not think Lisa should get the top prize is because she did not play the game until now.

She was handed HOH the first week then spent 5 weeks in bed with Eric with part of that time either sick or with a broken toe.

She was not playing the game.

After Eric left, Dannie took her under her wing and Lisa coasted along until Thursday.

If this is Lisa's way of playing the game so be it, but I don't think she had to make tough decisions to get to the final 3.

Other people did it for her.

Punkin

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Monalisa...that's the whole point, isn't it? Those others are no longer there because they did not play as strategically a good game as Dani did, even though they partook in the trash talking. Dani played the game way more strategically, but she didn't play the game seeing the whole picture. She didn't play the END game...the jury voting. She played a second place game. Yep, you're right, they all trash talked...but Dani is still there because she played strategically better in spite of the trash talking. I just don't think she will win 1st because of it...I think that will be the deciding factor between 1st and second place for her. Whether it's right or wrong...that's human nature.

Tallyho

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I said that ALL ALONG Mona Lisa
It was a case of OTHER guests being dopes not the smarts of Dani.
Like Lisa even as recently as about a week ago saying "she can't put her finger on it" something is wrong.
If it was NOT OBVIOUS by then with only Dani voting and Jason breaking the tie than Lisa is pretty stupid and YES that plays into Dani's hands.
But it is NOT about wanting the jury to be "bigger" and vote for the real winner.
Why give them a reason to change opinion about you.
I would have more respect for Dani if AFTER these people voted for her she threw it back in their faces.
Tonya-I think you are a bad mother
Gerry-you are nasty and stupid
Roddy-you are the devil
Amy-you are a drunken tease
Chiara-you are a cheap s!ut
but wait until AFTER these people vote on who gets $500K to insult them
to do it before is just STUPID.
You are trying to tell me why others should NOT penalize her for doing it.
I am just asking WHY DO IT????
what purpose did it serve.
Be bigger than everyone else.
Then tell them how you really feel AFTER they give you first prize
THATS A SMART PLAYER.
Had the other house guests voted against Dani because she out-played them I would AGREE thats bull.
But Dani has given them a reason to vote against her EVEN when these same people WANTED HER TO WIN.
Can someone please stick to my question?/
HOW IS THAT SMART PLAY????

Maris

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
it isnt a smart play. It is stupid. So what else is new.

Monalisa

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Punkin, I agree, I think she will get 2nd place. None of the evicted hg's (except for maybe Josh) are going to look in the mirror. So then the question may be, which is better....a trash talker with $50,000 or a hypocrite trash talker with $0, oops, one of them did get $10,000.

Tallyho

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whats better is $500K
and all those house guests who WANTED Dani to win the $500K now DO NOT WANT HER TO.
SO is Dani smart for making $50 grand?
Or is she stupid for blowing the $450 grand more that she had in her pocket before opening her mouth.