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Archive through September 17, 2002
Yellek | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 02:01 pm     Oh man, I so want to say nasty things about her parents for that! But I won't. Cause I'm sure they 'thought' they were helping and didn't know any better. *sigh* I can't stand it when kids are discouraged from being themselves. There's definitely a need to keep some things to yourself, but you learn through others reactions what is and isn't ok. (ok, so Chiara may have missed a few cues on this one... hehe) I wonder what she could possibly have said in kindergarten that was so bad... |
Bernie | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 02:55 pm     I'll apologise if I'm wrong, but wasn't it AMY who had that kindergarten experience with her family? [I seem to recall Amy also saying that she doesn't ask people questions about themselves either because she was taught that it was rude, and that's ironic because it was that facet of her behaviour that cause Chiara among others to criticise her.] Feel free to point out my error, if I'm wrong! |
Costacat | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 04:20 pm     Whyever would you assume that she "thinks so highly of her body and sexiness that she believes women would be jealous"? Why would you read a meaning into something she said that may not be her intent? Maybe she just thinks that more men will root for women? I think Lisa is a lot smarter than most give her credit for. Also, she's mentioned before that she does not think she's all that. She was raised not to talk about herself. And she is always surprised whenever anyone compliments her. |
Weinermr | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 04:31 pm     Costacat, I agree with you 100%. |
Gina8642 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 04:57 pm     Yeeesh. I finally watched last night’s episode and I can't believe this whole thread popped up from Lisa's one comment. I totally regret what I wrote before, because I was making assumptions based on earlier posts.. Lisa spoke about half a sentence there. My take on it was maybe she was being flirtatious (i.e., like wouldn't it be fun to chat with some cute guys). It sure wasn't a comment that slighted females. Or a comment that indicated self-esteem one way or the other. It was half a sentence taken from we don't know what. You can't analyze something like that and get offended by it. You can't analyze it for self esteem issues. You can't anything to it. It wasn’t even a fully formed thought. |
Misslibra | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 04:59 pm     Costacat, you said it so well I guess there is no need for me to add anything to it. Other then to say I agree with ya! |
Misslibra | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:08 pm     Gina, I agree with you to. I don't understand how anyone was offended by it either. I sure wasn't and I'm a straight female. I think people are reading WAY to much into her comment. |
Bailey | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:08 pm     I agree with those who think it's a self esteem issue with Lisa. I'm a woman, and I didn't take offense at all at what she said. Rather, I took it to mean that she's having a hard time believing she has fans out there.. being a layman all her life.. that's a pretty big leap to come to terms with. I think the men comment was just her way of saying she's almost embarrassed to admit she'd have a broad fanbase.. and at this point they'd probably just be a bunch of horny guys. |
Momiee43 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:20 pm     I really don't see the problem with what Lisa said. Women tend to be harder on other women, men do not judge each other the way women do. Yes with a SN like momiee I am a women. I think Lisa is a great girl, she has played a good game. |
Cameltoes | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:29 pm     I am a female Lisa fan and I had no problem with her comment. She has always joked in the house about how she doesn't say very much so it make sense that she would also joke that her fanbase would be male (since she doesn't say much, her looks would have to be her only appeal). I'm sure she will be pleasantly surprised at her popularity among all viewers. |
Oregonfire | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:30 pm     Why is it that any woman who thinks that Lisa's comment was a bit off is now a jealous harpy? She's obviously got her priorities, which she's entitled to. But if a guy, say Roddy, had said something like, "well, I assume most of my fans are women," I'd think he was conceited too (as if there wasn't already enough evidence of that.) Maybe she was asked a leading diary room question. It's entirely possible. But Lisa seems to have a history of revealing the way she really feels in the diary room, even to her own detriment votewise. I still like the girl, buts she's not a saint just because she's usually kinda quiet. |
Misslibra | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:46 pm     Oregonfire, if someone ever calls you a jealous harpy I'll sock them one for ya! j/k The only person I think who is even close to a saint in the house is Jason. |
Costacat | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:47 pm     Ah, but Oregon, Roddy often called himself "the cute, smart guy." I'm not sure if Lisa has NEVER called herself "the cute girl" (and if she did, she probably didn't say it on a weekly basis). Slight exaggeration but you know what I mean! <grin> Thanks Misslibra and Weinermr. For once I managed to correctly articulate my thoughts! <snicker> |
Bigbrotherbelle | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:48 pm     It came off as being conceited to me. I have heard her make comments about how other girls in the house were jealous of her, so it was easy to believe. |
Bernie | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:10 am     I don't agree that Lisa is surprised to receive compliments. I've heard her self-deprecating remarks, which inevitably result in compliments, and which she always acknowledges with that 'little girl' voice. She knows exactly how to trigger compliments, and does so all the time. Last night was particularly sickly sweet. I like Lisa, in fact I think she's a very nice girl, but she knows exactly how attractive she is, and uses it too - good for her. Does anyone here think that a girl who thinks she's ugly would dress the way she does? Did anyone notice the exposure on the live show? This girl has plenty of self-confidence! |
Trulyscrumtious | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:40 am     About what Lisa's parents supposedly said to her when she was young, regarding her looks... I'm the mother of a 12 year old little girl who's been told her ENTIRE life - even from complete strangers on the street - how beautiful she is. It's a sticky situation trying to keep her grounded I tell ya. I've simply tried to stress the fact that while beauty may be the thing most people will notice in her first, her brain is her strongest and best attribute and should be what she makes her top priority. Will this one day come back to haunt me? Am I costing the child thousands of dollars in future therapy bills? I sure hope not. |
Sunflowr | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:57 am     when I heard Lisa saying about her fans being men.. I thought "well, what about us *women* fans"??! ;) I thought the same about Amy when she said similar. Well girls... sorry to disappoint ya but you have some women as fans too! ;) ps: I too think it may have been in response to a question BB asked them about their fan base.. and then of course the question was edited out... |
Sobaditsgood | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 06:14 am     Costacat said: "Ah, but Oregon, Roddy often called himself "the cute, smart guy." I'm not sure if Lisa has NEVER called herself "the cute girl" (and if she did, she probably didn't say it on a weekly basis)." She probably wouldn't say it in the house because we've all seen she plays things very very close to her chest there, which is shrewd. However, in her CBS bio prior to going IN the house, isn't she the one who said something like "I may not be the sharpest cookie but I am the tastiest"? Sorry, nobody will convince me this girl is blind to the fact that she is conventionally beautiful. It may be perfectly true that she has been conditioned not to TALK about being beautiful or to otherwise talk about herself spontaneously - I'm not saying I disbelieve she may have been taught this. Just saying the thought doesn't necessarily follow that "therefore she has low self-esteem." Maybe I'm imagining it, but I swear I don't think I have ever seen Lisa walk the hallways or otherwise pass mirrors in the house without "checking herself out" in a very particular way. They *all* do this from time to time, do a 'hair check' or tug at a shirt or whatever when they catch a glimpse in the mirror, and I'm not talking here about when they deliberately go to a mirror and start inspecting their own appearance... I mean the more subtle stuff, like when they head to the door to see off an evicted HG, or leave one room and adjourn to another, having to walk past rows of mirrors. Please note: I'm not saying it's automatically conceited or anything "bad" to check one's appearance because some may be much more concerned/hyperaware of being in public view all the time, therefore want to look their best so take every opportunity to look at themselves. But there's just something about the *way* Lisa looks at herself that is a bit different in those fleeting moments, a look on her face of self-approval or self-satisfaction that seems to fly in the face of what some have suggested about her being self-conscious, having low self-esteem, being insecure about her looks, etc. Fwiw, in general I don't like Lisa any less than some of the others and like her quite a bit *more* than a few, notwithstanding that I wish she'd talk more about something substantial so I could get a better idea "who" she is (or wants us to think she is)... but it might actually be a blessing that she doesn't, since alas her voice drives me up a !@#$% wall.....! Yeah yeah some people are never happy... |
Wcv63 | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:06 am     I've vacillated with Lisa. Sometimes I really like her and other times I am really put off by her. This particular statement pushed me in neither direction. It's a non-issue for me. There are many things about Lisa that I like. There are also many things about Lisa that I dislike. I'm on the fence with her right now and could go either way. |
Babsbunny3 | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 11:55 am     Well I started a discussion based on one of my favorite houseguests who made a comment that I had to question. I didn't come on here and say, LISA said this and I hate her for it!! This is like one of 2 or 3 posts I have ever made on here, and already I'm supposedly "jealous?" Women are the ones who set women back hundreds of years. Arrrgghh! I JUST POINTED OUT THAT SHE IS BEAUTIFUL, and I love her for it! Hello? Communication breakdown or what? Nevermind, returning to lurkdom...thanks a bunch folks! |
Misslibra | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 11:59 am     Babs, please don't go back to lurkdom. Your comments are just as welcome as anyone else. Whether someone agree or disagree with you. |
Trulyscrumtious | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 12:28 am     YoooooHooooo...Babs...COME BACK!!!! At least you have the courage to start a thread, I just can't bring myself to do it here for some reason. I belong to other boards where I've practically dominated the place and here I'm afraid to fart sideways, lol. Go figure, anyways, what I'm trying to say is, Git-Yer-Butt back here and post. We all can't be the Belle of the ball everywhere we go, places need people like us who virtually go unnoticed, I just keep posting away, and every now and again someone says something (anything) to me and I squeal with delight like a freakin' two year old, lol. Hope to see you post again...SOON! Truly,
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Oregonfire | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 12:39 am     Babs, I humiliate myself here on a somewhat regular basis. I think it's an initiation of sorts, sometimes an ongoing one. I agreed with your original post, and I wouldn't feel to badly if I were you! We're just an argumentative bunch that takes it all a bit too seriously at times. Truly, is a sideways fart where you physically turn sideways, or is the fart itself a contortionist? |
Trulyscrumtious | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 12:58 am     *SQUEAL* It kinda looks like this... ...so I guess the fart itself is a contortionist?  |
Meggieprice | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 01:10 am     Well, this thread got an answer today of sorts when Costacat's question got to her in chat! She seemed aboslutely thrilled that she has female fans. |
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