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Hardyscute

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
why do they want to keep Lisa. They are so dumb. Keeping Amy would help them strategy wise. The best would be for Amy and Jason to be the final 2 and Danielle to lose completely!

Bcandscott

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's the dilemma I THINK they are facing....

Lisa has votes outside the house. This would make winning in end difficult with her in the final two. Keeping her to final three means she COULD win HOH and end up in that final two, therefore she is a threat. This assumes that she wins HOH though because otherwise, it's a non issue as Jason and Danielle plan on taking each other to the final two. Lisa hasn't shown any real ability as far as winning the HOH games.

Amy can not only WIN HOH competitions, she's often FAVORED to win.

Keiffer

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have said this before... but Danny I think thinkgs that she will be rewarded by the jury for "playing the best game", and she isnt worried who she goes up against in the finals. She thinks she is a Vecepia.

Add to that Danny knows Lisa is more in her corner than Amy is, because Amy has a thing for good looking guys to be around, and what with all this sugar talk Danny thinks that Lisa will pick her for the finals over Jason if Lisa is given a chance more than Amy would. That means that Danny will convince Jason that Lisa being around is better for both of them.

In Danny's mind all she has to do is make it to the final two and she has it won. Lisa gives her about a 100% chance of that.

Stingerman

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danni is making a "HUGE" mistake by taking Lisa to the final 3. Lisa has already stated that she thinks that Danni is lying about her DR's being so bad and that she would be a hard person to beat at the end. If Lisa stays, and gets HOH then I think it will be Jason that she picks to go to the final 2.

If she would've picked Amy then if Amy won HOH she would take Danni to the final 2 for sure.

This is just one more of Danni's "BIG MISTAKES"!!!!

Bcandscott

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer, the "Amy has a thing for good looking guys to be around" is, I believe, part of the Dani propaganda machine and has NOTHING to do with reality. Dani has SAID that Amy is like this but knows also that she has lied continually about Amy's behavior and character. If she believes this, then she has fallen for her OWN propaganda and will LOSE the big money for that error.

Mack

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I don't want Amy to win so that's probably clouding my judgement but you're absolutely right Bcandscott. IMHO Lisa beats anybody in the final 2, Jason beats Dani, and Dani beats Amy (maybe...a Dani versus Amy is not my idea of a dream final 2 nor is there a clear cut winner between the 2). I think Dani and Jason will carry each other into the final 2, assuming one of them wins HoH. The surprise next week could be Jason evicting Lisa with Dani and Jason coming around to realize she's the biggest threat to both of them. I say surprise because I just don't think it will happen. Jason has got to think that he'd weaken his voting block...hard call.

Mrdisguise

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason has a good point when he said Amy seems to have GOOD LUCK. Amy could possibly win against Jason and Danielle if there was a backlash against them.

Mrdisguise

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle likes LISA better than Amy because she thinks that Lisa will take her to final 2. Amy is unpredictable.

Fruitbat

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa is not strong competition for the final HOH. Amy is. That is all that is on their minds. They intend to win and take each other. They are not choosing who they could win against. They are going to the end together, absolutely.

Earthmother

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think it has anything to do with like or dislike. I think it has to do with interpersonal intelligence.

Lisa has not paid attention!!! She does not know most of the hgs past or present well enough to answer questions about them, therefore in games of hg trivia she is lost.

The final competition will most likely be based on what you know about all the people in this game. She will not fare well, just as Monica didn't last year. She spent weeks only getting to know one person and that was shallow information based on admiration. Lisa made the mistake of only playing on a personal level of who she liked and who she didn't based on very little more than their appearance and who she perceived as "good."

I really don't think Lisa can play this game, meaning she can't talk to someone to extract information about them unless she likes them. Those evicted hgs that she didn't like she avoided convos with, or completely ignored so how can she know what they said or did. If she likes them she only talks about how they relate to her. You have to get to really know your enemy if you plan to finish in the final 2.

Dani and Jason have a much better chance going to the final competion with Lisa than with Amy and they have to know that. Dani, Jason and Marc gave Amy a lot of info on things the other players said and did, so they could use her to get rid of the problems. This enabled Amy to have a lot of information.

Amy is a smart cookie and though some say she has been lucky, I disagree. I think she is more athletic and has paid better attention, therefore I think she is playing the game, only it's her way. Like Will who admitted he was a liar, Amy admits she is selfish and therefore she is seen as someone who can be played based on her flaws.

If they keep Amy she will give them a run for their money. If they keep Lisa, unless all the questions are based on her hometown or Eric she will more than likely go home in 3rd. place.

Wcv63

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother although I don't disagree with the sentiments in your post, I believe that the last HOH competition last year was an endurance competition. Holding onto the box while on the bed if memory serves.

Cricket

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Excellent post, Earthmother. You have described Lisa very well. I truly feel she would be long gone if Dani's protective wing wasn't covering her.

I don't think they will oust her as I've read Dani say more than once that Lisa will be in the final 3. She gave Lisa her word and I think she intends to stick with it.

The jury will watch the tapes and hopefully will realize that Lisa just kind of floated along and had no real game plan.

Dani said something about being able to look at people and instinctively know who to trust. I have that too and it is a wonderful gift. Dani zoomed in on Jason and has not been proven wrong.

She put her 'faith/instinct' in the right person.

Earthmother

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If memory serves me correctly (I do have Sr. moments) the endurance test to get to the final 3. The finals consisted of a 3 part test with the majority of the points based on knowledge of hgs, one part was knowledge of the house itself, and I can't remember the 3rd part. It was a two or three day challenge.

Kellee

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The endurance one was the second last HOH..cause I remember Will handed it to Mon on a silver platter once Nicole was out...basically said dont nominate me and I will vote out who you want...and he got that huge jar of peanut butter as the incentive to leave the bed and Nicole felt played...

I thought it was one of those quizes about fallen comarades ...but I could be wrong..

I dont think it is that Lisa hasnt been paying attention..she has had her eyes open and mouth shut...I think she has known that she is not a traget so why win HOH and paint a big bullseye there....I think she will win the final hoh if they take her along to the final three

Oregonfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Which competition was that odd "which HG said what about whom" one? I remember Bunky said something nasty about Will, and Will was surprised. But that wasn't the pee in the waterbed competition (the best ever for drama, BTW). What comp was it?

Amy does have more will and stamina to win those kinds of comps than Lisa, it's true. But Amy is more in Dani's pocket that Lisa is, so either way there's a risk. It's a bit of a crap shoot.

Nevermind, I see that someone answered my question! :)

Jan

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you 100% kellee. As I have stated in other threads,I am beginning to suspect that Lisa has been throwing all the HOH's

Wiseolowl

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Agree Earthmother Amy unlike Lisa paid attention, she's smart and physically more adept than most of the HGs. Most importantly she is very competitive in competitions. She focuses and is hungry to win . Lisa is not any of these things. Either Danni or Jason goes if they lose next HOH and their odds are better competing against Lisa who until she came to the house seems not only never have been in any competitive situations but her personality seems to be one that actively avoids them.

Sam222

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I also don't think either Lisa or the other houseguests assume she has the 6 packs votes. Lisa definitely doesn't think she has Chiara's or probably even Roddy's vote-she thinks that they feel she has betrayed them, even though on the outside they have said they would definitely give her their vote over Dani though probably not over Jason. I know nobody thinks Lisa has Josh's vote they had major problems in the house. Finally Lisa has said some really bad things about Tonya along with the others. The only 6 pack vote she can count on is Erics. She won't get the majority of the 6 packs votes against Jason but she will against Dani and that is the situation Dani probably is in against anyone. So the biggest threat to Dani and Jason is who will win HOH and Amy is obviously a bigger threat. Although I can see BB slanting the comp in Lisa's favor to provide some drama for the final two.

Earthmother

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think at best Lisa will have Roddy, Eric and Marc's vote if she's up against Jason. That original 6 broke up long ago and I don't see the loyalty to Lisa. She never gave them loyalty. She went after, Chiara, Gerry, Josh and Roddy.

Beserkknight2

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lisa could win against any of the HGs
left, BUT I don't think she will make it to the
final 2. She isn't good at HOH competitions and
no one else will carry her to the finals. I'd be
very surprised if she won a competition.

Niceguy

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother that is definitely the thing about this game. Interpersonal Intelligence.

Dani is good at seeing who she can deceive and control but is lost when she has to turn the reins over to someone else in the decision making process.

Her naive belief that everyone is supposed to 'rollover' at the genius of her playing is what will keep her at second place. People's egos won't stand for that. It may not seem fair but everyone has an ego. They don't like having it stepped on.

Lisa needs to battle hard on Thursday. She won't remember a lot what Gerry said but I think neither will Danielle. Actually I hope they use a number of Roddy quotes to really scramble their brains.

Twiggyish

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani isn't seeing the whole picture. From her point of view, the only people who count, are those inside the house.
This could be a major mistake on her part.

I think either Lisa or Jason will win. (If Dani takes one of them to the final two)

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One part of the last HOH in BB2 was that obstacle course through the house- getting balls out of the pool, toasting and eating a PB sandwich, etc. Monica couldn't choke down the sandwich- I think because it was chunky PB.

Floresmama

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that Gerry wouldn't vote for Lisa up against any of them. Even though they all talked bad about him hygienewise. Lisa is the one who put out the pedophile/pervert agenda that could be the most hurtful to him careerwise. I don't think Chiara would vote for Lisa against anyone but Amy. I don't think I need to explain that one. I don't recall any bond at all between Lori and Lisa (or Amy for that matter) but I think that Danie or Jason would have her vote against Lisa for sure. Josh the creator of the sixpack never liked Lisa from the moment she turned on him and so I don't think he votes for Lisa up against any of the others either.

Niceguy

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If they are going to be running through the house Dani will be dead last. Lisa has a better shot.