Lisa mades some points last night with this Jason fan,,,
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Jaysgal | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 04:39 pm     KathyB, as far as my recollection, it was George who was said to need or deserve the money the most and drew the most sympathy supposedly amongst the houseguests. Even Eddie often spoke of how he would look out for George. I could be mistaken, but that is my recollection. I do believe that Eddie mentioned something like what you stated before, but not often (perhaps once or twice). And it most likely was because he was asked or their discussions led to that subject. I do recall Eddie emphasising and often stating that he was there for the money, without details. I hope someone with a better recollection can verify or deny this claim. |
Curlyq | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 04:42 pm     I remember it as the other way around. George even went on camera in the red room and told the viewers to give the money to Eddie because his hospital bills had been so high. George was hoping to get money for his daughter's future education, but Eddie's family was already deep in debt from his medical bills and George felt he needed the money the most. |
Lipservice | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 04:53 pm     For those of you who are trashing/criticizing Lisa for not taking the 15 G's, just listen again to her comments from Saturday's show after being told by Julie that the cash would be awarded and the others had lost their phone call and gift: "My heart just dropped, it shattered...I think you all suck...I really thought that this house had a stronger bond...I didn't want fifteen thousand dollars. I wanted to talk to my Dad and I wanted to give my Mom a gift...I was looking forward to just talking to my Father. I couldn't put a price tag on it and I honestly didn't think that anybody in this house could either." On the one hand people are saying her brain doesn't work vary fast, and in the next breath there are arguments that, while being offered ever increasing amounts of money, she calculated the effect she was having on the final jury by turning it down. Well, fellow viewers, which is it? Or is it possible that Lisa is a genuinely honorable person who couldn't imagine taking away an important perk from the other HG's for a few pieces of silver? She says as much in her final statement and I take her at her word. |
Curlyq | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:01 pm     Which is it? Both. Some people believe she did it to score points, and others believe she was just being foolish. She could've talked to her dad and given her mom a much bigger gift had she taken the offer and won. I don't see the point in making it sound dishonorable that the other 3 had the sense to take the money offered. It's hardly "thirty pieces of silver" when you consider the point of being in this game is to beat everyone else out of half a million dollars. Beating them out of a thousand is child's play compared to that. They're all going to be reunited with their families over the next 2 weeks anyway. It's not like they're in jail or they've gone off to fight in a war. If this challenge had happened only halfway through the game I would have considered it a selfless act, but since the game is all but over it just seemed foolish to me. |
Eden | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:15 pm     I agree completely with What and Curly. Lisa didn't think it through. But that's pretty much the way Lisa has played the entire game. No one was in the room with her to help her reason it out. She came off appearing magnanimous but ultimately dumb. My opinion of Lisa is not altered one wit. |
Crossfire | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:23 pm     There are a few ways to reason this out which are a bit more charitable. 1. She actually is not the some think she is, and would have been happy to see everyone get the call and cash. (nice) 2. She is on the block, not a great time to get three other people pissed off at you. (smart) 3. Maybe she like Dani just knew that Amy would take it, and wanted to pass the heat onto her to make sure she was around for another week. (smart) Maybe she is nice, foolish, and selfish all at the same time. Who knows. Personally, I think Dani came out of that looking the worse though. |
Jasonfan | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:33 pm     I will reserve judgement on all the HGs on this one. I'd like to think I wouldn't do it, but. . .$15K? That's half a year's salary for me and knowing there was only two weeks left before everyone would see loved ones anyway? I'm sure I would have taken the offer too. Good for J for being honest, though, and for exposing D. |
Sherbabe | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:43 pm     Breezy...........You said Lisa doens't run off at the mouth. Yikes, which show have you been watching. She was absolutely brutal to Gerry. |
Krossd | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:30 pm     Not often mentioned is there was also only 1 chance in 4 you'd have the lowest # on the head set to factor into this. What if it was taken and not won! That had to factor in to the decison. Personally, being on the block is not a good time to peeve anybody. Smart - but in a different way than regular smart. I think it is *possible* Jason may have busted Dani fast, before she got in too deep with saying she didn't take it - not smart on Dani's part to have started, but smart on Jason's part for figuring it out quickly and nipping it before she'd get tottaly dug in. |
Trulyscrumtious | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 03:04 am     Quote:Originally posted by Lipservice: ...listen again to her comments from Saturday's show... "My heart just dropped, it shattered...I think you all suck...I really thought that this house had a stronger bond...I didn't want fifteen thousand dollars. I wanted to talk to my Dad and I wanted to give my Mom a gift...I was looking forward to just talking to my Father. I couldn't put a price tag on it and I honestly didn't think that anybody in this house could either."
UUUUT-OH. Me thinks I missed something. Did she actually say those exact words? Cause if she did, then that one got right by me, lol. The only thing I can remember her saying was "...I think you all suck...". |
Costacat | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 05:39 am     Krossd, the challenge with the cell phones took place BEFORE the noms. So Lisa had no way of knowing if she was gonna be on the block (although I'm sure she suspected such). If that was your reference... I, personally, think she was being honest. She really didn't think that anyone would take the money -- she thought that they all would want each of 'em to talk to a loved one. |
Spygirl | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 06:00 am     She did say those words, but not all strung together. I think that Lipservice mean for the "..." to indicate the breaks. Most of that speech was from the Diary Room (except the "suck" line). |
Lipservice | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:41 am     Trulyscrumptious: Yes - I transcribed those quotes from the tape in the order she said them. At the end there were tears in her eyes because she obviously felt betrayed that the other HG's had screwed her out of a sure thing. |
Pesto | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 08:39 am     Thought I'd weigh in on a few points: Grouch wrote: ["I thought Dani's statement to the effect that "I know Amy will take it, so I'm gonna take it too" was incredibly self-serving.] Exactly, and Bravo(!) for Danni for figuring this out. Again it demonstrates her ability to think logically through this competition. You would recommend she shouldn't take the deal if she thinks Amy would? In the context of BB3, to be "self-serving" is not a character flaw, it is THE POINT. The only thing Danni miscalculated is that if she turned it down, the money offered would have gone up. (Nobody else figured that out either though, in my mind). Separate the player on the inside from the human on the outside. I also agree for the most part with Eden, Curly, and What on Lisa. I would add that if one values good games(wo)manship over luck, then Lisa winning would be unfortunate (and I'm not saying that luck should play no role; clearly it does with whoever wins). |
Wcv63 | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 08:50 am     Pesto...very good points. I agree with your post. |
Pesto | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 08:57 am     And Wcv63, I wholeheartedly agree with your earlier point that Josh is an overly emotional woman. (just joking, no flames please ) |
Secretsmile | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 09:00 am     Did anyone eles have deja vous when Lisa and Dani were in the hot tub last night? I felt like the Roddy/ Marcellas thing all over again. |
Wcv63 | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 09:08 am     Ahhh Pesto, I see you've noticed my posts on the board. Although I don't recall Josh as being very womanly. |
Moonaberry | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 10:22 am     Hi, I'm a lurker who is really not supposed to post from work, but I had to chime in here. My niece is a waitress at the largest nightclub in Orlando. On a really good night, she can take in $1000 in tips. Several hundred is the norm. On occasion, she has received $3000 in tips over a special event week. I think Lisa was able to easily turn down the offer of cash because she doesn't have a real grasp of the importance of money. Like my niece, she probably thinks more money is just around the corner. I think the HG's took the money in ratio to how important having money is to them. Danielle grabbed the 5 thousand because she could visualize how important the cash would be to her family. |
Charlesfk | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 12:16 pm     To refuse 15,000$, she must have absolutely no idea of the value of money. It was like making a 5000$/min long distance call. It make no sense. |
Lipservice | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:24 pm     "To refuse 15,000$, she must have absolutely no idea of the value of money" She DOES understand the value of money - it was worth more to her to talk to her father and buy her mother a gift, and more importantly not to cheat the other houseguests out of their perks. It seems some people can't grasp the "value" of that, but for my money that kid has her priorities straight. |
Breezy | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 10:20 pm     Sherbabe, that is the only time I can remember her doing that (her words to Gerry). She hasn't made any similar mistakes that I can think of. She generally weighs her words before she says them, don't you think? |
Trulyscrumtious | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 12:14 am     Thanks SpyGirl and Lipservice for clearling that up for me...  |
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