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Muse

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually don't think Danielle and Will are playing the game the same at *all*. They've both lied, but that's about it. Danielle has played much more aggressively than Will ever did (particularly after Shannon and Mike were voted out). He kind of went with the flow, allowing his easy-going nature and the fact that he was nasty in the DR to carry him along. I think Danielle has actually played more like Nicole in some ways....after all, Nicole also lied (swore up and down to get rid of Chilltown, insinuated to Monica and Krista that they were safe, told Monica that she'd like to take her to the final two, etc). She manipulated others and used Will along the way. She also felt extreme loyalty to someone who might very well have won against her in the final two (Hardy). Winning the game became very important to her, especially after he was voted out. Unfortunately, things didn't work out for her the way she wanted them to. And I'm guessing that the same thing will happen with Danielle.

(Btw - this is *not* to say that Danielle is anything like Nicole in terms of personality, because that's obviously not the case...and the thing I like about Danielle is that she admits that she lies and manipulates others, while Nicole never did.)

Wendo

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Muse, yes, I see your points.

I was more equating Will's trash talk of the HG's vs Dani's trash talk of the HG's.

I know it was last year, but I remember a lot of what he said about the HG's and some were really awful and mean.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani seems more aware of the feeds now and has been paddling like a driven duck to say nice things about people who are on the jury :)

Suddenly she's saying nice things about Tonya!

But, hey, if it gets her votes, I suppose it is all good, right?

I'd guess too little, too late.

I don't think any of the evictee's vote predictions are cast in concrete, but I sure trust them more than my speculations or any of our speculations.. they ARE the ones who will actually vote.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
paddling like a driven duck......oh, I love this.

Cmore

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani doesn't deserve to win! She simply hasn't played the best game. This game is a two pronged game, one inside the house and one outside to the evicted HG's. Dani has played the inside game well, but failed miserably in playing the outside game.

If she is hoping that people vote by "good stategy" and not personal feelings, then she should have never brought personal feelings into the game. She crossed the line and made personal comments about HG's, so they have every right to vote based on personal feelings.

I can't understand those people who think the evicted should put personal feelings aside and vote simply on stategy, when these same people have not held Dani to the same standard.

She made it personal FIRST, by name calling, degrading and even attacking thier age, personal hygene and anything else she could think of. Now she can reap the rewards of a "personal" vote IMHO.

Jason has by far played both sides of the game very well and deseves the win, based on game play both inside and outside the house.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A manic mudhen?
A terrified teal?
A lunatic loon?
A mortified mallard?


Hi there MsBat!

Becca

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think people have really given Jay enough credit in this game. Jason managed to convince the players in the game that he was weak, and not even playing. Dani played very hard (obvious sometimes too). But Jason played a very subtle game. He was a lot of people's downfall, and did it with a smile on his face. He deserves to be where he is at. I think the question when playing the game/ and riding an alliance? Has the player ever had to put himself/herself no the line for the game. Make a hard play to turn the game around. I think the answer is that both Jason and Danielle have done this (Lisa vote not to bring ERic in was moot, he was never going to come back in the house.) Jason really jeapordized his standing in the house for Danielle and his alliance many times. (the eric vote, marc nomination, etc. etc.)

I honestly think that he and Danielle deserve to be in the final 2. They have played the best games in the house. I think sometimes people don't like the players who have played hard and controlled the game. However, both Jay and Danielle very much came from behidn (not in the big alliance) and kicked butts. They deserve to be in the final two.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey darlin' :) I am sticking with driven duck. That is too good.

C1mag

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cmore... When has she ever suggested that they should reward her with the larger amount of money if she gets into the final 2? and who in that house didn't make personal comments about the others while playing the game? Yes Jason has as well....

I've not heard Dani campaign for the larger amount once nor has she given a reason why she should recieve it. I do think that the jury should put trash talking asside as a reason to deny someone of the top amount of money because they've all engaged in it. Simply because someone didn't say as bad as things does not mean that it has been right.

Her goal is to get to the end and by doing so she will have earned at least 50,000. Anyone that ends up in the finals deserves to be there. Within this group there have been no saints when it comes to trash talking and I sure wouldn't over play dani as the one that authored the trash talking. She's just been the easiest target to suggest that. I wish her the best and hope she gets to the finals. She played this game beautifully. Her goal has been to go to the end for 50,000. Thats the amount that is earned no matter what. She controled her own destiny and in the process protected her alliance with Jason. No one in this game has played it any better. She has already earned 50,000 easily. If they want to give her some more then cool. If not she still made it to the end. It would be interesting to actually see footage of this so called horrid trash talking that she has done that makes her in eligable for the top amount of money. Her negative myth is much bigger than who she is in that house.

Cmore

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, I certainly have no clue what game you have been watching. In the beginning Dani made a VERY BIG deal about how badly she needed the BIG money and how her poor family needed the money, so much in fact that a few HG's made comments about how they were tired of Dani constantly voicing how badly she needed the money.

Its obvious that if you have not heard Dani discussing HER need for the big money, you didn't pay much attention, because she did Make a BIG deal about it in the beginning. She is here for her family first, remember?

C1mag wrote: "She played this game beautifully"

Well if you consider alienating every evicted HG by trashing them, a good game, she has certainly done a beautiful job of that.

Playing the game as she has, is anything but beautiful if she had any aspirations at all to win the big money. She made a major blunder by letting her real personality shine through too many times.

In fact I find it real hard to find anything at all beautiful about the HG "Dani", from her game play to her bug eyes, foul mouth, backstabbing and general self centered personality.

Sorry but thats just my opinion and I am not a sour Roddy fan, in fact i was not really a fan of any of the HG's, although I did like Lori.

Davey

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 04:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As much as I don't *really* want to see Danielle win - I do think there is the *remote* possibility that she could win against Jason.

Strange things have happened when these people come back to the house to cast their final votes - and frankly - this whole group has been so neurotic about keeping "their word" - Danielle may actually earn points amongst the jury for sticking to her plan to bring Jason with her to the end from Week 1 - even though it clearly is not in her best interests to do so from a potential voting perspective.

Just one way of looking at it I realize - but stranger things have happened in that house.

Wendo

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cmore, Dani has never referred to herself, EVER, as poor. She has stated why she's there, to win money for her family. Big deal. As to the HG's comments about it, they asked her why she came on the game, she told them. (It was a convo in the HRD.)

As for the trash talking and "foul mouth", everyone seems to have such selective memory. All the HG's have done it to some degree. Some more than others, some less than others. But she was not the worst, by far. That prize goes to Marcellas (and Amy for somethings.)

Has Dani gossiped and trash talked in the house. Yep. Will it affect her winning the money? Probably. But if they don't vote for her to win based ONLY on the trash talking, then they're hypocrites.

Phillymom

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 12:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The problem with Dani's trash talking is that people tend to remember the hurtful things. I'm sure it would be difficult for me, if I were Roddy, to look objectively at Dani and think, "Well, she called me the devil and other not-so-nice things, but she's played a really good game, so I'm going to vote for her to win." And that's where Dani has hurt herself in this game. Some of the HGs are going to be hurt by what she's said, and others are going to feel used or manipulated by her. These feelings sting, and they are hard to forgive, and to forget. That's just human nature.

Gina8642

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
After last nights show (Amy's eviction) I see Dani getting up to three votes

Josh - seems very positive toward her.

Jason - if he isn't in the final two.

Amy - She is really positive too. I don't know if her opinion will change when she finds out what Dani has been saying about her.

So that is a potential of 3 out of 8.

Demeter

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 05:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The only sure vote for Dani would be Jason if he is not in the final two.

Amy is likely to change her mind as soon as she talks with her family and they tell her how Dani has consistently bad-mouthed her and made fun of her. She is going to be hurt because she was so strongly in Dani's court.

Josh said he thought Dani would win, and he seems to like the kind of strategy that Dani has played, so he may vote for her. But, his buds will not be voting for Dani and they may convince him to go their way.

Dani doesn't have much chance at the big prize no matter who she is paired with.

The pair that is less certain is Jason and Lisa. That would be a close call.