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What555456

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Each of the Final 2 can remove one juror.

Assuming the Final 2 will be either Dani, Jason or Lisa, who will each choose to remove from voting and what impact will that have in the final vote. (i.e. on another thread, many seem to think Roddy will influence the other jurors against Dani --but what if Dani removes him and he cannot vote?)

Wcv63

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Even if Dani removes Roddy's vote his "meetings" with the evicted will have already spread his influence. You can't get rid of his influence simply by throwing his vote.

I don't think Dani would choose his vote to throw out. I think she will throw out Tonya's vote. IMO

Grannygrunt

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, even if Roddy's influence lives on, I would at least get rid of one sure fire vote against me. She knows Roddy will vote against her, the others she probably thinks she can win them over in her final speech. As for Jason, he should get rid of Mar's because Jason always thought Mar didn't really like him and he is the one who evicted Mar.

Edit to say: Lisa will get rid of Chiara's because there is just no telling what that girl would do.

Crossfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think it matters who Dani removes, so we can forget about Roddy in that case, he would be a non issue.

Lisa removes Gerry.

Amy removes Chiara.

Jason/Lisa removes Eric. (Edited to fix this)
Jason/Amy removes Marcellas.
Jason/Dani...Does not matter.

I'm not ready to discount Amy yet since she will have the day to bend Jason's ear.

Mack

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If the other jury members talk to each other...assuming Roddy still has this amazing control...before the vote then Dani eliminating him won't do much other than get rid of his vote by itself. So....

Dani/Jason: Dani eliminates Roddy, Jason eliminates Marc.

Dani/Lisa: Dani eliminates Roddy, Lisa eliminates Marc. (Marc is the surprise because I think all in the house think he'll vote Dani over anybody.)

Lisa/Jason: Lisa eliminates Dani, Jason eliminates Eric.

Lisa/Amy: Lisa eliminates Marc, Amy eliminates Eric.

Amy/Dani: Amy eliminates Marc (this is a hard call), Dani eliminates Gerry.

Amy/Jason: Amy eliminates Dani, Jason eliminates Marc.

It's too early in the morning but I think that covers it....maybe. :-)

Crossfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One other thing...Dani removing Roddy might not be so smart.

Of all the people, he is the one most likely to appreciate Dani's work, and is also the one most likely to think with logic vs emotion.

He might surprise us yet.

Mack

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Could be Cross but the "devil" comments are going to really bug Roddy. I don't think he will overlook those.

What555456

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I happen to agree, Crossfire.

Crossfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It could be a problem, he has already indicated in interviews that he is not too keen on it all.

My statement also really only applies if it is Dani vs Amy, and especially Jason. I think he might still be bitter about the perceived double-cross on the Eric eviction.

If he has a chance at voting for Lisa, I imagine he will take that vs anybody.

Mellbell416

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cross and What, I don't agree that Roddy would vote for Dani! He was spitting when he left, when he realized that Dani had called him the devil and had smeared him. His reputation seems to be the most important thing to him, and he will be out for blood. He will also want to reassert that his strategy was the 'correct' and 'right' one and what better way to do that then to oust the one to wrecked it all for him?

I personally don't agree with Roddy having 'meetings' with the evicted HGs. Aren't they allowed to have their own points of view and a right to vote with their own conscience? Let the chips fall where they may, I say. What a control freak!

What555456

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Melbell -- it may be true that Roddy will stick to his loyalty and honesty test. But how, then, will he choose between Dani and Jason (if they are the Final 2) since both acted in concert?

Mellbell416

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What, Roddy will vote for Jason - Dani was the one that instigated the 'devil' campaign and did the most work to get him out. Jason didn't nominate him when he was HOH, and participated var less in the backstabbing. Both actions will help him in the long run.

Justshirley

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, if Lisa is there against either Danielle or Jason, they both obviously nullify Eric's vote.

If Jason is one of the final two, Danielle should get rid of Roddy's. However, if it's Lisa up against Jason, I think she would negate Josh's vote. There is a possibility Roddy might vote for her, but she knows that Josh didn't much like her, while he was quite fond of Jason.

Now, as far as facing Danielle, this is more difficult. Lisa will probably toss out Gerry's vote, thinking that he still thinks as highly of Danielle as he did when he walked out the door and, of course, knowing that he might be upset with some of Lisa's comments about him. I know that Gerry has said that he wouldn't vote for Danielle, but he just might if she's up against Lisa. This is probably the smartest choice for Lisa.

Jason could do the same, because he never felt that Gerry liked him much, and he knows that Gerry admired Danielle. Of course, we know that this would be a bad move for Jason. IMO, the vote that Jason should get rid of is Amy's.

In the end, though, I don't think the negation of votes will have much of an impact on the game, because I really do believe that Danielle will be one of the final two, and I think she is easily beatable by either Jason or Lisa. Easily.

Edited because duh on me. I'm so set in my mind on Danielle and Jason being the final two that it didn't even occur to me that, if Lisa is ONE of the final two, then either Jason or Danielle gets to vote. So, if Lisa is in the finals, she negates the vote of whichever of Jason/Danielle she evicted.

Crossfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
With respect to Roddy's 'meetings', lets be fair here. He is not the first to talk to other jury members. Should he not be afforded the same opportunity as the others? I think so.

With respect to everything else...Roddy being so protective of his image, might want to yet again rise above the crowd, and not be a sore loser. I think he is a wild card so long as Lisa is not an option.

Mellbell416

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cross, interesting points - I don't really have a problem with ex-HGs talking to one another, but we've already seen the lengths that Roddy will go to to strongarm people to do what he wants, and that is what I don't agree with. It's fine to put forward your arguments to someone, but to use all kinds of psychological techniques to bend them toward your will, that's crossing the line.

And you may be right about him keeping his comments toned down - but he may try to inflame others to do the damage for him! :) Sorry Roddyfans, I just don't trust the guy!

Crossfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hard to say what power Roddy has when working to save or evict other people since we have never really seen him do either.

The only thing we have really seen him try to do, is save his own butt. And some of his techniques in that matter might not be as persuasive when campaigning for others. Lines like 'You know I love you', probably don't hold as much water when trying to sway a jury vote to than as a ploy to save himself.

The other thing I imagine, is that the HG's/Jury might have a better BS detector in place since they left/he left as they have either had a chance to compare notes or watch tapes to see the pattern.

I kind of like him, but I personally think he has been given more credit than he is entitled to.

Mellbell416

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Man, you just keep me thinking, Crossfire!

Yes, HGs may have a better BS detector once they leave, but I don't believe that his power has been underestimated - he has reduced three of them to tears, and the HGs have talked about being 'mesmerized' by him.

All Roddy has to do is switch strategies - the hackneyed phrases of 'I forgive you' and 'I love you' can be dropped, and instead he'll probably work on their sense betrayal, rejection and sense of fustrated entitlement. There's a hell of a lot of emotion there that would be very easy to manipulate.

Bailey

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle already did all the flaming herself.. she won't need Roddy's help to turn the jurors against her.
There's no way Roddy will ever vote for Dani.. at this point, I can't think of anyone that would (except of course Jason if he's not in the final two). I think even Amy will turn against her once she's outside the house and watches some of the tapes. None of the jurors will need to be "strongarmed" against Danielle.. each of them will have their own personal reasons for not wanting to see her win this game.

Wcv63

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mellbell, I agree with you. He will go the route of inflaming emotions and pointing out injustices in order to further his agenda.

Cameltoes

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Dani will cancel out Tonya's vote if she is in the finals with Jason. I think Roddy would vote for Jason. I think he will view Jason as the craftier player. He was more clueless about Jason's gameplaying while in the house and he will appreciate Jason playing the endgame better than Dani has. This was part of Roddy's own strategy and it's just the kind of compliment he likes to give.

Jason/Dani - Tonya and Gerry (Jason may wrongly assume Gerry would vote against him but it depends on the questions asked)
Jason/Lisa - Eric and Dani's votes cancelled
Lisa/Dani - Eric and Jason's votes cancelled

Anyone up against Amy would cancel Marcellas's vote and Amy would cancel Chiara's.

Penpoint

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What is the source of the information that Roddy is having "meetings" with the other evicted HGs? Or is that just some poster's assumption, which has now been assumed to be true by other posters on this board?

Wcv63

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Penpoint it is in the exit interviews by the houseguests in the "Outside The House" section of the BB forum. It was reported that Roddy went to meet with and speak with Tonya in Vegas, Marc talked to him via telephone.

This particular premise is based on facts in evidence.

Letmeinthere

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa should def veto Chiara's vote.
Jason doesn't have to veto anyone's.
Amy should veto Chiara's
Dani should veto Marc.

JMO

What555456

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Penpoint, I suspect, though, there will be lots of talking among lots of combinations of the evicted HG's before the final vote. Will Roddy have any more influence with them than someone else? Who knows? And in reality -- who cares?

Maryk

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All 10 of them will be in the jury, even Bunky and Shannon were present in all the meetings when they were vetoed last year.

Saying that it will depend on the match-up on who gets vetoed. Last year, I thought Will was going to veto Hardy for sure but he didn't.

As for Roddy "campaigning" with the jury, he has been out less than the others. Others could have done the same. Plus, its not really against the rules, since they have not been explicitly been sequestered.