Do you think Lisa knows that Danelle is going to scumbag her?
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Mlt | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:12 am     Okay, so here's how it goes. Lisa wins the final HOH. She then has to choose who to take to the finals. She tells Jason and Danielle that this game is about trust. And, although she never told them this, not only does she know sign language, she also reads lips. And she knows that Dani lied to her about her alliance with Jason. As a result, and knowing that it will probably cost her the game, she feels that she needs to take Jason to the finals. Then it comes down to a tie and we get to decide who wins. Talk about an exciting final! |
Katlady53 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:18 am     Mlt, I like your thinking! |
Beocca | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:20 am     yeah I like that too! And who would we vote for?, prolly Lisa? |
Biloxibelle | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:24 am     Moe, I could be wrong but I think I remember from a while back Lisa mentioned during an evition that she was reading Julies lips to make sure she heard it right. I can't remember which one it was but I'm thinking it was either Josh & Roddy or Chiara & Roddy. I think maybe she can read lips. Now that would be a kick. |
Krossd | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:29 am     In the pool - Dani was failing at that competition, and had been for almost an hour. Lisa is observant enough to know this. IMO Lisa was smart on the timing of telling her that Dani would be her pick. When Lisa affirmed to Dani that she was going to choose Dani if she won HOH, and when BB turned the water spray on, just as Lisa and Dani were making a (supposed) deal - Dani giving her word to take Lisa if she won HOH...here is what I heard: Dani: Ok, I will give it to you. Lisa: You will have to, because I am not letting go. Lisa knew Dani was trying to make it sound that she (D) was "giving' it to her - Lisa corrected her on this. If BB hadn't put the water on jus then we'd have likely heard more. (I understand that Dani may have timed it that way too. Maybe we will see that in the show tonight.) Point here? I think Dani made it sound to Jason that SHE (D) made the deal. Why? Because Jason's reply to Dani telling him about it was (PP) - You made a mistake in not getting her (L) to let go of the key to finalize it. If it was Lisa who was making the deal (because she couldn't hang on) then Lisa would have let go. It wasn't Lisa who was failing, we and D knew that. If it matters, or IMO I do think Lisa will stick to choosing Dani for several reasons: -- Because she likes Dani more (notice Lisa hasn't been able to have one on one with Mama Dani's constant hovering.) -- She would like to see Dani have some money -- She knows Dani was more instrumental in getting the 3 of them there -- She has no reason to stoop to Dani's level of backstabbing, and double dealing since she's likely to win over Dani anyway. About the lip-reading query. I heard Lisa on at least 2 occasions literally mention lip-reading. Within the last week I heard her mention something about it - that she was reading their lips (not D and J, at that time), but it was too short - or something to that effect. So it does appear that she is somewhat capable of doing that. I would like to point out that you can't read lips if the people are talking covertly, as the movement and facial expressions are altered, so it would be most effective if it were in a normal conversation. Anyway, I hope BB shows the last conversation in the pool, including what was said as the water came on AND how Dani related this to Jason. It definitely stuck out in my mind because I did catch - and was applauding - Lisa for correcting Dani's attempt to make it seem that she was 'giving' it to Lisa. |
Dixiebelle31 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:42 am     I don't want to see Dani win 50K, I wanted Lisa and Jason in the finals. But the more I thought about it, I really want Dani in the finals because I want to see what the evicted houseguests have to say to her. |
Mlt | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:44 am     Krossd, How dare you destroy my pleasant fantasy of a Lisa and Jason final with a pesky little thing like 'the facts?' <vbg> Ah, well. I guess it was a nice fantasy while it lasted <sigh>. I just think that a Danielle/Jason final is so utterly predictable that the only question will be whether Dani gets a 'sympathy vote'. A Lisa/Danielle final has a little more tension. But a Lisa/Jason final would have us all on the edge of our seats. (With Lisa winning the $500 K, of course <g>) |
Monalisa | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:47 am     Then do we get a thread about the trustworthiness of Lisa? LOL I know, I know, everybody would think she should lose because she broke her word. |
Cmore | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:49 am     What I find really odd is that Lisa has never asked jason if he has an alliance with Dani, to see how their answers match. I have not even seen her ask Jason who he would like to see in the final two. She has had the opportunity to do so while Dani was in the DR, but for some strange reason has chosen not to discuss it with Jason. |
Krossd | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:28 am     I know Cmore, it has bugged me that Lisa and Jason have not talked. I do think that Lisa is is going to choose Dani... and in the meantime she may be showing what Dani is made of as far as her words. Is it possible she doesn't want to tick Dani off - Still, too bad they hadn't announced the winner of yesterday's blocked competitions. Ah, so sorry to dampen your hopes Mlt Who knows tho..... I'd like to see Dani be justly rewarded, and I think the $50T's is about right for the work she's done, and not winning the Big Bucks because of how she did it ... Dixiebelle31 has a great point - I, too would like to see what the others have to say to Dani's face! Especially Amy, Marc, and Roddy! |
Jaysgal | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:40 am     Lisa is no fool. Although she once fell into the trap of Danielle, perceiving her as a mother kind of figure, Lisa has seen the light. She wasn't the first to release that hand. Lisa is doing to Danielle what she did to Chiara and Roddy: playing to the tune of the music. Danielle probably said she had lost $450, 000 because she had every intent to win round 2 and then fess up to Lisa. She expected that striking a deal with Lisa would make Lisa see no need to compete for round 3 if Danielle was the one against her. And in that case, Danielle would win. So, Danielle was probably thinking this way because if she won, then she would put the knife (figuratively) through Lisa's back. That's probably one of the things Danielle was thinking. She and Jason have a habit of finding a way to weaken someone so that they cannot or will not be aggressive in winning a competition. However, when Danielle took this to Jason, Jason instead told her to throw the competition to him so that she would not be in that dilemma. Again, I'm afraid Danielle is underestimating the very woman, Lisa, that she used. Lisa knows Danielle's tricks. And Lisa is very good at undercover/informant work. What she was trying to do was obtain knowledge of what Danielle was up to and get Danielle to commit herself to Lisa [in case Lisa lost], even though Lisa would not dare allow the game go without all of her efforts to win the HOH. Her interrogation of Danielle was to pretend she had no knowledge of the alliance and to test Danielle's honesty. She has not bothered asking Jason anything because she knows how committed Jason is to Danielle. She already figured that out when she was interrogating Jason about the whole Marcellas eviction. Jason had difficulty explaining the discrepancy with the Danielle vote and his vote. Why do people keep thinking that only Danielle is good at fooling people or no one would have caught up with her? People must really have ignored Lisa's many demonstrations of her skill. Gooooooooooooooo Lisaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! |
Earthmother | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 12:44 pm     I am not a Dani fan, but Lisa is in that house right now because of Dani, so I don't think Lisa has been scumbagged. This is a game of deception, look out for number one and lie till it hurts. Wasn't it Lisa who made a deal with Marc (a little too late) to get rid of Dani? If a house guest doesn't scumbag they are on the jury....."Scumbag, thy name is Big Brother".. |
Jaysgal | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:15 pm     Okay, speaking of grammar, this one was bugging me since yesterday: Is there any such word as "scumbag" acting as a verb? I thought that it might be the error of the live feed poster, but other people and other live posters were posting the same thing. So, it made me for a moment question my knowledge. Now, I have it pretty much verified: Since when was the verb to scumbag created? As far as I knew, it was a noun. Sorry, but some things just bug me. LOL! Seeing the English language terribly abused is one of those cases. Although Danielle acts ghetto, she also pretends to be proper sometimes. I mean, scumbag is a slang, but it never was a verb (to the best of my knowledge). Is it just I that was affected by this abuse? LOL! :D |
Victoriafla | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:18 pm     I just hope Dani and Jasons plan to make Lisa nervous for tonights HOH falls through! |
Jaysgal | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:23 pm     Lisa is the most composed person in that house, especially as she no longer relies on anyone to tell her what to do. They are picking on the wrong person. They'll end up being too nervous when their plans fail. The only way they can make Lisa nervous is if they bring in her personal life. But they hardly know much about her, at least not something damaging. Goooooo Lisaaaaa!!! Sail on,far, and to the end!!!!! |
Earthmother | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:41 pm     My bet is that if nobody is telling Lisa what to do then she's calm because she probably thinks there's nothing to do....lol |
Oregonfire | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:45 pm     Wasn't "scumbuggery" or "scumbaggery" originally a Roddy creation? I don't think Dani invented the word in its verb or noun form. |
Chiparock | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:59 pm     Dani won't "scumbag" Lisa because she WILL throw the HOH competition and let Jason do the dirty work, as usual. The use of "scumbag" as a verb isn't nearly as offensive to me as the constant use of "medal" as a verb at EVERY Olympics. "He/she/they medalled in the event." Arrggghhh! Stuff a sock in it, announcers!  |
Jaysgal | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:59 pm     The noun form is fine. It's the verb form that is non-existent. I haven't heard Roddy use it as a verb before. I could be wrong. Oh well! LOL! It just bugged me since yesterday, especially as people were using it without questioning Danielle's usage of the word. Earthmother, I actually think that Lisa gets nervous when people are telling her what to do than she does when she's thinking for herself. Since she has no alliance to absolutely rely on, she's thinking for herself. She's usually composed in such scenario because she hides it within herself, even if she is nervous. |
Earthmother | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:06 pm     Well, Jaysgal as soon as she starts thinking for herself (she hasn't done it so far)I might change my mind, but time is running out...lol |
Jaysgal | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:33 pm     You could be right, Earthmother, but I hope not! I want my girl to win!!! LOL! It just dawned on me ... remember that day Jason asked Lisa how she voted, exactly a few seconds before they started the HOH competition when Marcellas left? Remember? Now, it's dawned on me that Jason may have been trying to make Lisa nervous and take her attention off the HOH competition. I say that because he's spoken on occasion about making people edgy so that they would perform bad on the next HOH. Now, I'm wondering if that was his aim when he questioned Lisa seconds before the last HOH competition. They showed it on TV, and Lisa was wondering why he had stopped suddenly to ask her that kind of question. If that was his method of making Lisa nervous, again, it's not going to work this time because she already knows her position in this game. Initially, she had to worry about what people were up to, but now she doesn't have to. She can make it to the end by herself. And she doesn't have to answer any questions about her votes or standing. |
Tazman | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:48 pm     I think the "scumbaggery" thing started with Gerry. |
Maris | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:00 pm     I believe you are right Tazman, Gerry did the scumbaggery thing. |
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