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Onlyhuman | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 02:27 am     Can I just say that Dani was not betrayed by Marcellas first. Marcellas was betrayed by Danielle, even though he didn't know it. At 3 am on the Saturday morning when Amy was HOH, Jason and Danielle sat in the hammock, strategizing. Danielle told Jason that she didn't trust Jason, that she was sure he had a deal with Roddy. She wanted it to be her, Jason & Lisa. Jason agreed with her. At this point, Marcellas did not have a deal with Roddy, yet Danielle had already replaced him! The HT conversation between Roddy & Marcellas took place after the Dani/Jason conversation. You can check this link to the live feed archives if you want to read it for yourself. D & J Plot - R & M Agree |
Onlymytulips | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 06:54 am     In my book......true friendships overcome a lot of diversity and this has been shown with Dani and Jason's connection. When it comes to the way Dani told Marcellas that she wouldn't vote for him, but did....or the way she continued to watch Roddy, keep him in check and finally watching him leave...at that point in the game those two both lost their friends and were trying to find new ones QUICK. Roddy and Marcellas were trying to find a coattail or two to ride on to the finals, like little boys that lost thier lunch tickets and were looking for milk money. They got into that predictment since they did not seem willing to stick out their own necks like both Dani and Jason are for each other. Too bad for them, since the bond between Jason and Dani had been established and was stronger than anything they had started in the house, due to the fact she and Jason both understand what true loyalty is. So, to answer the question if Jason will take her to the finals...I say yes!
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C1mag | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:10 am     Marcellus had begun to trash talk Dani before the agreement with Roddy. As soon as Amy got back Marcellus wanted to make sure that Amy understood that Dani was a witch as he put it. He had come up with a new plan to use Amy and they would jump on board with Roddy. Durring this time Dani could not understand why all of a sudden Marcellus switched gears about getting rid of Roddy once Amy got back. Thats when she talked to Jason about Marcellus. She know something was up. He had been so on fire with the Roddy boot. She started having questions. At this time Roddy had come to Dani to ask why she didn't care for him. He said things to her in detail that only Marcellus would have known. Her suspicions were confirmed the following when Roddy was put up with Chiara and Amy had come back. Once again Marcellus was avoiding a Roddy boot. This was enough for Dani. Marcellus made the first attempt to pull back from Dani. I think he thought he didn't stand a chance with her in the game and came up with an alternative plane. He would be nice to her. Lie to her just in case things didn't work out with Roddy. Sometimes you will not find a live feed post to back up comments. It is a true statement that Marcellus did betray Dani before her and Jason reluctantly let him go. Saying she didn't trust Marcellus was not a betrayl at that point. She was feeling odd about his behavior. Even when she made that decision she said, " I love the man but something is not right. I don't think I can trust him anymore" Chiara confirmed this and if you recall Roddy and Marcellus were making that deal right around the same time. Dani's feelings were right on target with Marcellus. I might have considered it a betrayl on her part had she let out his game or even outted his crap to Roddy after she knew they had a deal but she kept it quiet. Up until the week Marcellus left she never campaigned against him. Even he says that up until he walked out he thought she would never vote to evict him. However, by then she knew he would have evicted her. She may have said to jason and only jason, that she didn't trust Marcellus but his actions would later confirm it. She gave him repeated chances and every time he blew it. Once Roddy was gone he came running back to her. By then he had talked to both Roddy and Chiara. She had no choice but to go after him. She was actually forced to evict him by his own actions. |
Phillymom | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:20 am     I'm surprised that there is still so much debate about Jason and Dani's loyalty to each other. These two have remained true to each other from the very beginning, and I can't see either one of them suddenly betraying the other one. As for who is going to win and who it would be smartest to take to the finals, we have no idea how the jury is going to vote -- even if we think we have it all figured out. I was amazed when I read the recent chat with Eric and Josh ... Eric wants Lisa to win (no surprise there), followed by Amy, Jason, then Dani. Josh wants Dani to win, or Amy. Josh said he might consider voting for Lisa if she's in the final two. So Josh obviously doesn't want Jason to win (even though Jason was the only person besides Roddy who Josh requested walk him to the door when he was evicted). So I think we may be surprised at how the jury votes. |
John1971 | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:45 am     C1mag- All she has ever said was she cared about the money. I don't think she would ever be happy with the $50k. She wants the $500k! |
Pesto | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 08:13 am     A few thoughts: 1) Someone get Roddy to read this thread!! It contains all the reasons that Danni deserves the HGs final votes. 2) C1mag: You defend Dani so logically and accurately that you are starting to take away my enjoyment of reading the Danni-haters' (Oops, sorry moderators...) Danni-dislikers' rants 3) Eden: Thanks for continually posting my thoughts and saving me keystrokes. It's getting eerie Full disclosure: I want Dani to win because I think she deserves it, not because she is my favorite HG. A few times she has crossed "my" line of fair gameplaying (e.g., Rod's agnosticism, Tonya bashing) although the other HGs have done this as well. |
Jade | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:12 am     Because daniel keeps talking about how she wants HOH I don't think she does. Reminds me of past weeks when she would put on that game face knowing she was going to throw it so others wouldn't be suspicious of her motives. I think she is SO confident that lisa and jason will pick her that she'd rather they win it (preferably jason) so she doesn't have to make the choice that will have her judged. Jason has promised her and she's played out the "i just wanna get to the end and buy my family a home and have a baby" routine. She's drilled into lisa several times how hard it would be to beat jason and how daniels trashed people in the diary room so she doesn't appear to be tough to beat. I don't think she'd take jason, she wants the money and she sits staring at the wall of pictures..i'm sure counting who has what votes. She may think her chances are better with lisa, that would mean she'd have to break that promise to jason and drop him like a hot potato and that would look bad for her. I think she likes to win without looking bad at it. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Obviously her chances are great winning against amy but she isn't confident enough that amy would take her to the final 2. BUT, she knows amy can be influenced..and amy has stated to her it makes more sense to take someone to the final 2 that you can actually beat..it's not about morals and who's a good person. Which may be why daniel has acted very wild since she made that comment and ranted about her bad diary rooms. If amy were smart she'd make a deal with jason if she got HOH next week she'd pick him (he should..if he's smart enough, pick up on how tight daniel and lisa are)...but unfortunately if he did pick amy that would automatically give daniel a reason not to pick jason (if she got HOH and in that case i think she'd go for it hard) and she'd looking for a way out of taking him to the final 2. In fact it makes me wonder if she didn't make that deal with jason..being so adament on him voting amy out this week and keep lisa, knowing jason is all about "it's a game, nothing personal". And daniel always preaches about trust and loyalty, so much so that I don't think she cares..I think she wants to put that out there so if someone breaks the trust it plays into her hands. It was the ONLY way of getting rid of marcelles, by claiming he had a deal with roddy from the get go and betrayed her. If Jason broke that promise, maybe she wants him to so she can finally have a reason not to take him to the final 2..because she knows he's all about game and there's always a chance he may go with what's going to make it easier for him to win. She wouldn't say anything to him, because she'd still want him to pick her, but she'd explain it during her selection. |
Beserkknight2 | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:28 am     Lisa doesn't need to be "convinced" by Dani to take her (Dani) to the finals; she is smart enough to figure this out for herself. She *would be better off against Dani than Jason. Dani is already putting the spin on justifying how coming in second is "winning." Funny. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:29 am     C1mag - "Again I do understand your feelings about Dani just a bit surprised at the reasons why. I feel they are unfounded but for you they are real and that is cool. " I started out cheering for Dani when I first saw her doing all her behind the scenes manipulating and plotting. I thought the same thing you did....strong woman, great strategist, etc... It was after watching the rest of her behavior over the next several weeks that I changed my mind about her. I would still say she is a great strategist....but I also think she is not a nice person and that I could never trust her. My reasons are NOT "unfounded" at all. If you have ever met someone that you had an initial good impression of but then found that he or she exhibited characteristics than you found both distasteful not to mention, downright hateful, you might change your opinion of that person, too, right? Sorry, but you cannot tell me that *my* feelings are "unfounded" because I feel that people who hatefully trash talk and gossip and who look down on others that do not believe their religion are not people that I could respect as friends. Meggie - as far as Roddy and Marcellas...I said they THEY trusted DANI's "word". I didn't mean to imply that Dani had any reason to trust them....just that THEY believed DANI...big mistake for them. I know that Roddy's mistake was simply trusting that what she said was honest....he did not understand her rules of semantics that she had to say the magic words in the right order ("you have my word") for it to be the truth....and even then, she retains the option to discard it "because it's not personal, just business". Roddy and Marcellas believed the *spirit* of what she conveyed to them....they believed her fake loyalty to them was real....within the deals they made with her. I'll tell ya....no one is more disappopinted in Dani than *I* am. If you go back and find the Limericks thread, you'll find that I wrote PRO Dani limericks and I was rooting for her. I didn't just "decide" to change my mind....Dani changed it FOR me. |
Victoriafla | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:35 am     The only reason I would like to see Dani win the 500gs is because I'm sure Jason probably thinks he can win over Dani. She doesn't think she can win the big money after listening to the lf last night.I want someone to win who truly thinks they cannot. I still am all for Lisa, but Dani comes in second. I don't want Jason to win! Sorry Jason fans. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:47 am     Good morning San Fran.-beautiful day in our neck of the woods, eh?..No, I knew that you meant Roddy trusting Dani's word- I just don't feel he ever did. When he agreed to not nominate her early on she gave her word that she would not nominate him. She never did. That was the only deal they ever had. During their conversation when he cornered her in the morning during his final nomination he said "If I stay in the house I'll support you until the end (PP) and she agreed. He didn't stay. She did not ever say she would vote to keep him. I do want to add that some of Dani's behaviour has disappointed me also, and I often wince and think "you don't need to do that!". I think she doesn't realize what a strong game she has played and she overplays and overdoes. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:57 am     The thing is that of all those already out of the house the only ones that would have a legitimate gripe against trash talk would be Lori and Gerry. The only reason those are the only two I included is because those are the only two never to indulge in the past time of trash talking themselves. The others may want to point fingers at Dani's trash talking because it takes some of the heat off of their own involvement in the "sport." Some may want to argue "degrees of trash talking." I say if it was trash talk it probably hurt somebody's feelings. No one has the right to be self-righteous about this topic except the two hgs mentioned above. (Oh and Jason.) That was for you SanFran! |
Wigglepuppy | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:00 am     There is no doubt in my mind that Danielle and Jason will stay loyal to each other. I think that Danielle has prepared herfself to take the 50, and she has said she's happy with that. I personally find their loyalty endearing. |
Pajomu | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:56 am     Endearing...that's the word I was looking for! Thanks, Wigglepuppy! I've been a Jason fan since the beginning and a Dani/Jason fan since we found out about their alliance. Some of my favorite BB3 moments are their whispering conversations. Their loyalty to each other and the fact that they've made it this far together is absolutely amazing to me! I read on the live feeds yesterday that Jason told the DR that if he and Dani make it to the end then he has already won and Dani agreed (pp). What a great attitude to take into the last week! Go Dani and Jason!! |
Becca | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:22 am     Danielle and Jason deserve to be where they at. However, both will have a hard time in the end, if they aren't up against each other. Jason's secrecy was key in Dani's plan. Without him and his spying, and then his executionar role Dani wouldn't be where she is. A partnership with Roddy would have never worked. Jason worked because he purposely (he's admitted this) pretended to be weak to fool the others. Honestly, I think there were will be mostly a lot of anger at Jason and Danielle because there is no doubt that they controlled this game. (I don't think people give Jay enough credit. Danielle has never given Jay any reason to doubt trusting her.) IT's not like Jay has trusted everyone in this game, the only person he's trusted is Dani (and really vice a versa). Obviously seeing as she could have easily thrown this weeks' competition ,his trust is very much founded. Think how many evictions Jason caused, apparantely it was more than any other house guest. Jay quite literally was a lot of people's downfall. Many people seem to think Lisa should win. I vehmentely disagree. Lisa basically rode alliances in this game. I've never seen her really have to make a tough vote that put her out for the world to see. (None of her votes were crucial to Jay or Dani.) She did what others told her to do, and when she finally had her eyes opened (by Marc, it was too late). Jay's had more of a role than Lisa has on why the house is the way it is. Lisa is only there because Jay and Dani want her there. She will basically if she wins be capitalizing on all of Jason and Dani's hard work. It's pretty obvious that if its Jay and Dani, that Jay will probably win. IN some ways I do think that the argument could be made that Dani should win. However, I think that the diary room is just as much part of the game as anything else. MOst of the houseguests coming out of the house were rooting for Dani, until they heard her comments. Making the houseguests like you is just as important as staying in the house. Jason and Danielle (in many ways) did the same thing (game wise) so, there enemies would have been equal, I think if it weren't for the diary room comments. Danielle shot herself in the foot, and because of it, I do think you can make the argument that keeping his mouth shut won Jason the game. Let this be a lesson to the rest of the house. Roddy's game plan was to remember this always. I think Jason had the same game plan *(but executed it a lot better than Roddy.) He realized that you couldn't be well liked and also viewed as a threat. Of the two, Danielle was more manipulative. However, Jason did manage to convince the entire house (at one point) that he was not playing the game. (It was a brilliant play on his point and deserves some credit.) Without the diary room, the points between the two of them were close. Add Dani's big mouth and well you just make the points higher in jay's favor. |
Becca | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:25 am     As for Roddy. Roddy in some ways was very hypocritical. I remember hearing him say that a lot of people in the house think they have his word, but only a couple of people actually do. He was the king at giving people the impression that they had his word. However, when Jason, Danielle, and others did it to him, he would argue that their impression was actaully their word. I'm not saying that Roddy is awful for giving people' impressions. I just think he is wrong for thinking he is the only person who is allowed to do so. |
Jade | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 01:45 pm     If jason wins HOH he may pick danny (at least this is what she's counting on and sure of) so she'd be happy with that. However i'm very strong in believing that daniel is either going to throw HOH and have someone else win - hoping the "third party" will win and pick her or if she wins have some reason that can justify her not choosing jason. She tells everyone she just wants to make it to the end - i don't think that's it. She wants to win, it's not about making it. She lives in an area where property value is very high and 50K (less after taxes) is not going to buy the home she keeps going on about. I'm really interested in seeing how the vote goes this week and how "loyal" she'll end up being to jason if she gets HOH. She knows he'll be the hardest to beat which is why I think she'll throw HOH hoping the 3rd party gets it..she's pretty secure that they're all going to take her to the top 2. She's played the "family" violin enough and preached loyalty and trust up the gazoo making everyone feel they'd morally damn themself for not picking her. |
Phillymom | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 02:07 pm     I don't think Dani will throw the HoH competition. She's played the game so hard, and it makes no sense to take that kind of chance now (on someone NOT taking her to the final 2). She'll go for HoH -- I think whoever is left will go for it. I did hear Jason say something the other day about giving HoH to Dani if it was just the two of them left (in other words, if Amy or Lisa was eliminated first). But I didn't hear the entire conversation, so I'm not sure what Jason decided to do in that situation. |
Gramma | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 02:13 pm     Dani KNOWS she can't win the jury vote and would rather have Jason get the big bucks rather than Lisa. She knows the best she can do is the $50K and won't risk not even getting that. She'll try hard for HOH, and if she wins she'll take Jason. She's pretty sure (rightfully so) that Jason will take her if he wins and she can only guess who Lisa would take. Dani will try very hard at HOH. She's just now had a convo with Jason about knowing she can't win. She listed off her lies etc. She really DOES know and is speaking truth to Jason. Dani will see $50K as a nice Summers pay. I'd love to see her take it all, but am glad she's being realistic. This way she won't be overly disappointed. |
Bbholden | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 02:23 pm     What I don't get is this. How do they see Lisa as deserving to win more than Amy? What has Lisa contributed to the show? Amy has been the show, and been used by the HGs, AS, and even her best friend Marcellas. That girl has gone through emotional and verbal hell. Yet Jason thinks that Lisa deserves to win? She was out of the picture for most of the show... first it was a sore on her butt then she was up Eric's butt... so where has Lisa done anything to be worth winning? I think Amy deserves her chance at the three final people left. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 02:24 pm     Gramma, and, did you just hear their conversation? Dani said that if Lisa gets HOH, she's going to tell Lisa to take Jason. He then said the same back to her, tell Lisa to take Dani. She said, Listen, if I don't make it, I want you and Lisa to win the money, that's cool with me. Or something along those lines. I don't know, I know she's done a lot of the Colby talking, but I really think that was done to throw Lisa off Dani and Jason's alliance. It sounded sincere. But, who knows. Oh, also, she realizes she did a lot of scumbag things, and she admits it. That's a lot more than a lot of those evicted HG's who are now speaking up about Dani. (Heck, remember Eric, he was going to sell out Josh, his ally.) |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 02:25 pm     Bbholden, it's likely the fact that she was evicted once and came back. It's not fair to Amy, but I do understand their thinking. Also, Amy hasn't played the game at all. Lisa, while not playing like Ja and Dani, has played the game since she was almost booted. |
Cameltoes | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 02:26 pm     From Dani & Jason's perspective, Lisa has been a trustworthy ally. She switched allegiences and made difficult decisions (not voting Eric back in). She has been scheming with them for weeks. It's natural that they would see her a gameplayer as compared to Amy. |
Phillymom | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 02:27 pm     Wendo, I heard some of that conversation, too. Both Jason and Dani sounded really sincere. They definitely want each other to be the final 2 ... Jason even said something to the effect that he doesn't want to be in the finals without Dani. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 02:33 pm     Phillymom, yes, and she said the same thing as well, if she's not in the finals with him, she doesn't want to be there. I so love the alliance they have. They've been so true and loyal to each other. I wish they both could win the big bucks. |
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