Archive through September 20, 2002
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Archive through September 20, 2002
Letmeinthere | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:20 am     Good point Gidget.. anything is possible! |
Pesto | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:36 am     I will never forget how shocked I was when Richard Hatch won Survivor. I couldn't believe some of the votes he got. Any of the remaining three could still win it... |
John1971 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:44 am     Wasn't it Danielle who said a few weeks ago she could win any endurance test? What happened to her Dani fans? Lisa has been sick and still beat her. Maybe she should stop running her mouth all of the time. |
Victoriafla | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:51 am     It's nice to wake up reading these boards, so glad Lisa one! I hope she can hang in there. |
Costacat | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:52 am     I'd just like to get this thread back on topic... Lisa, YOU GO GIRL!!! I knew you'd be the last person holding on to the key! And now, to borrow Danielle's words: One (HOH comp down), One to go. Costacat is fervently hoping that Danielle loses today and it'll be Jason and Lisa competing for the final two but even if it's not Costacat STILL thinks Lisa is gonna win HOH! |
Laluna | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:57 am     That "Thing" in the sky last night... Air Force Test Missile Out West Fri Sep 20, 1:25 AM ET VANDENBERG AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. (AP) - An Air Force missile test Thursday provided a spectacular light show seen over California and much of the West, as far away as Utah and New Mexico. The colorful contrail was seen soon after the unarmed Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile blasted off at 7:36 p.m. from an underground silo at the Vandenberg military base north of Santa Barbara. "The smoke went up in spirals as the sun was setting and turned into an orange, amber color. It was like a flower going into bloom pretty quickly," said Simon Cox, who saw it from a restaurant terrace in Santa Barbara. The missile traveled about 4,200 miles in about 30 minutes, striking a predetermined target at the Kwajalein Missile Range in the western chain of the Marshall Islands, the Air Force said. Vandenberg spokeswoman Kelly Gabel said clear conditions were responsible for the spectacular light show. "We do this two or three times a year, but because the weather was so perfect we decided to launch it early," Gabel said. As a result, people were still awake to see it, and although the sun had set, sunlight below the horizon glinted off unspent fuel particles and water droplets. "Suddenly we're getting calls from people as far away as New Mexico who saw it and want to know what it is," Gabel said. The mission was directed by the 576th Flight Test Squadron at Vandenberg and the 341th Space Wing and the 341st Space Wing, from Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana. The purpose was to test launch systems and the missile's accuracy and reliability. link: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=519&u=/ap/20020920/ap_on_re_us/missile_test_3&printer=1 To see a picture of what it looked like, try here... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/020919/170/2ackq.html |
K9lover1 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:05 am     Lisa was amazing in Part I of the HOH competition. I do believe she would have stayed there all night. I also believe that she had been coasting along and just started playing the game. Dani and Jason have been playing the game since week one. I think the jury might take that into consideration. My fear is that Lisa will trust Dani and if the competition on Saturday comes down to Dani and Lisa, Lisa may not put forth 100% because she trusts Dani to take her to the finals. |
Deeya | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:27 am     My feeling is Dani set up that "deal" with Lisa... don't forget they sat there for about 10-15 minutes talking about how Jason "couldn't" get to the finals because they couldn't beat him. Dani reiterated this several times to Lisa saying I know if Jason gets to the finals, he will win. Then the dealing was done. Like Meggie, I don't understand Dani's need to have the deal spelled out because Lisa had already said that her plan had been for it to be Lisa and Dani in the finals ever since the Chi vote.. Finally, after she took her shower, Dani said to Jason, I just gave away $500,000 because I had to tell Lisa I would take her to the final 2.. and I was lying to her.. what should I do.. So my first question is one already stated before: why did she have to make the deal she calls a lie at all.. the only reason to lie to Lisa would have been to get Lisa to let go.. i.e. if you'll let go, I'll take you to the end if I win.... not "if I let go, I'll take you to the end".. Second question: How convoluted is her logic? She tells Lisa that Jason will win the $500K.. she tells Jason that because she lied to Lisa she just gave away $500K... It makes no sense... While I don't doubt that if Dani were to win the HoH she would take Jason to the finals.. I doubt she will win it.. why should she... she's set up to get at least $50K either way... and while she might beat Lisa (doubtful in my opinion).. she was right.. I don't think she can beat Jason. |
Gina8642 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:40 am     Thank You Laluna!!! Years and years ago I was driving in California and saw one of these launch. At the time we had no idea what it was and we concerned it was a nuclear weapon. It scared us sooo bad. People pulled off the highway. It was very scary. Finally we started driving again and pulled off at the first stop which was a rest area. Someone there, who was local, told us about Vandenberg and their tests launches. It is scary, it looks like something out of the nuclear annihilation movies. (This was more than 15 years ago, long before the cold war had ended.) |
K9lover1 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:40 am     IMO Dani was definitely not thinking clearly at the end. I feel she wanted out of that boat soooo bad but couldn't let go until she knew that Lisa would take her to the final two. I think her agreement back wasn't thought out, just an "auto" response, kind of like "yah, me too". Just a wild guess but maybe when she said she threw away the money she was thinking forward to when she would break that word and possibly alienate some jury members. Not real sure what she was thinking. |
Lisad | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:45 am     My thread.. "LiveFeeders! Need Clarification From Last Night" was just closed. I was referred here and to the "Last HOH" thread. Yet I'm not seeing my questions answered & I'm dissapointed it was closed. Like I said - I was up all night and heard every word of the pool comp. I did NOT hear Dani promising to take Lisa to finals. We know she told Jay that while Lisa showered, but it doesn't mean it actually happened. Lisa told her she'd take her to the final 2 and D ran out of that pool so fast. I saw no quid pro quo. I didn't hear it. It's not on the feeds. And there are many here that didn't hear this. Is there anyone out there that was on the actual feeds in the wee hours that actually heard this Dani promise to Lisa? The way it sits now with me... Dani bluffed Jay into THINKING she promised. Perhaps to get him riled up to win the next HOH? |
K9lover1 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:50 am     Lisad, I have the live feeds, through cable, and watched until all DR's were finished. It was extremely difficult to hear, but Dani definitely gave Lisa her word. |
2addicted | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:54 am     Lisa impressed the heck out of me with her composure and strength last night. WOW. I just really, really hope that she was right when she predicted that BB will not slant the final HOH competitions to favor one HG over another. I am so afraid that BB will do anything to have Jason in the final 2 (he is so overwhelmingly popular) that they will skew the competition between Jason & Lisa Saturday night. And yes, I will go on out on a limb today with a prediction that Dani will talk Jason into letting her throw today's competition. She will convince him that she *deserves* it after yesterday. She doesn't want the pressure of choosing someone and she has both Jason and Lisa's word that they will take her to the finals, so why stick her neck out? Please please BB, let it be a fair competition (like last nights!) so that the most deserving person wins. Don't make it a "tailored competition" that plays to one HG strengths. |
K9lover1 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:06 am     I also think that Dani will throw the HOH competition today. I agree with 2addicted .. no reason for her to win today. She's in the final two and I think she feels she has a better chance with Lisa than with Jason. So if it turns out that Jason loses today, it works in her favor ..Jason is eliminated and once again, by throwing a competition she gets what she wants. I have to give her a lot of credit for holding out for over 4 hours last night - truly truly awesome. And Lisa ...wow, what can you say .. really came thru. |
Lisad | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:21 am     I assume we'll have Foth tonight when the comp is on? Yes? |
Laluna | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:33 am     You're welcome Gina! I thought some people who watched late last night might be curious about what the HG's were seeing....and I got curious, too! Thanks for telling your story about seeing one..it does seem like it would be a freaky thing to see! |
Duncan | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:16 am     I really got the impression last night that Danni realized that she has painted herself into a corner. She knows she can't win against Jason, and she is not positive she can beat Lisa. Right now I think her main concern is to make it to the end of the game, no matter what. I think she would probably rather be there with Lisa than Jason, so I believe there is a very good chance she will throw today's competition, so that she is not faced with having to evict Jason over Lisa. If Jason wins HoH, I am sure he will take Dani with him to the end. If Lisa wins, I am not sure how she will go...she knows Dani has played her, so she may very well take her chances with Jason by her side. *IF* Dani were to win, I think it is quite possible she will evict Jason, and take her chances with the jury. Saturday and Wednesday they will be looking at not another week in the house, but the $500,000 prize. There are no points for third place in this game. |
Meggieprice | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:22 am     Lisa D Specifically, when jason was in DR last night Dani and Lisa were talking- she said "I'm so glad you gave your word" (pp) and Lisa said "It was what I always wanted" and then questioned Dani about an alliance with jason AGAIN-only to have Dani deny it again. Up till then, like you, I did not know for sure that a deal had been made as it never was heard during the competition. That talk verified it. And Jason just told Dani to be sure to lose today. He knows what happened and he needs to win HOH for himself. |
Jaysgal | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:27 am     I think most evicted houseguests are underestimating Lisa and thought she was just riding on the so-called secret alliance's coattail. They were giving all of the credits to Jason and Danielle. Hence when they answered who they would vote for, they said either Jason or Danielle. But when asked who they wanted to win, they (e.g. Marcellas, Eric and Roddy) said Lisa. So, from all appearances, the repeated responses are coming from a presumption that Lisa will not be in the finals. Ask who they want to win, not who they think will win, they will most likely pick Lisa. As I said, once again, I am playing according to the inside game. Lisa has said inside how she was very sceptical about Danielle's claims with the DR enteries and how she thought people would be more willing to vote for the mum (Danielle) than the single lady (Lisa). Lisa said this too whilst conversing with Marcellas about forming a pact. Lisa saw Danielle's true colours and repeated attempts to justify her conduct. Marcellas stated the closeness between Jason and Danielle. And just when he was planning on breaking the two in bed, he was stabbed. Lisa witnessed it. She knows what is up. Jason was not nominated by Danielle, so it is clear what is going on. Danielle could have nominated Jason since she supposedly trusted Lisa. So, either she didn't trust Lisa to evict Amy or she had an alliance with Jason. From Thursday's show, we know that Lisa knows there's something between the two. Marcellas gave a big revelation to her. She's seen the light, even if not completely--sufficiently. As also stated by another poster, Lisa has spoken of the good people winning. Lisa has implicitly and explicitly revealed her belief in justice. I am convinced that that is her true belief. Loyalty comes first. She doesn't talk much but she thinks a lot in her mind. If Danielle was not loyal to Marcellas, even if it was in Lisa's interest, she will not be any more loyal to Lisa. Then justice takes over loyalty for Lisa. Funny Lisa also described Danielle as "threatening and scary". The reason I mentioned the external part of the game is because people were arguing that she has no chance against Jason realistically. As I said, she has every chance against Jason. Read previous post and first paragraph of this post. She would definitely score high for defeating the person people disliked and didn't figure to take care of much earlier (i.e., the dangerous player). That alone gives her complete merits. Jason would still be perceived as Danielle's agent, for he made no effort as any point to get rid of Danielle and he's said he was willing to sacrifice himself for Danielle (meaning he isn't so serious about winning the game). The only way Jason would win against Lisa is if the guys are all bent on a guy winning the game instead of a girl. As for Gerry, he would easily forgive Lisa. Her use of terms indicates that she doesn't necessarily know the meaning of things she says. And I'm sure she would be willing to apologise for her comments. About the whole female winning thing: There are two females in the final three. One female is guaranteed to advance to the final two. So, Lisa has nothing to worry about if she's the one female unless she assumes that she wouldn't win. If she does not assume that she would not win, then the subject of a female winning is moot. |
Laffy | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:31 am     fruitbat, my point is that dani only has to break her word to lisa if she wins both remaining HOH comps. she won't win against jason so it becomes a moot point whether she would have broken her word to lisa...she will not have to ever face that. i believe that was the point of the convo with jason last nite. i don't think she gave her word to lisa in the first place, she needed a way to justify throwing today's comp to jason so she wouldn't be in the position of throwing either of them out. it's how she has played thus far, why would she change her strategy now? "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" |
Jaysgal | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:45 am     Ooops! Sorry! I didn't mean to post that in this thread. I meant to post it in the 'Danielle's mad because...' thread. Pardon me please. :o Can a mod please delete or transfer my post to the "Is Danielle Mad..." thread? |
Meggieprice | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:46 am     Laffy, I was thinking that too until I heard Dani's convo with Lisa later. She did give her word. I don't think she had to but it's a lot easier to see from out here then in there battling hypothermia. Lisa said Dani was shaking so much it rattled both of them. |
Gina8642 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:58 am     Why did Dani give her word? She wanted to give up. Why was saying anything to Lisa necessary? She could have just let go. Jason lost after 45 minutes. I didn't see any problem with losing after more than 3 hours. She didn't owe anything to Lisa when Dani was the person giving up. If it was the other way around (If Lisa gives up first, then Dani promises her final 2) it would make sense. But this doesn't. 'Course I wasn't freezing cold holding on to a key for 3+ hours. |
Laffy | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:07 am     it simply will not make any difference, that's all i'm saying. i was amazed at how many posts there were regarding something that won't make any difference in the game at all. dani just wanted an excuse to throw today's comp vs jason and now she has it...strategy. now she doesn't have to be the bad guy again. i don't think it's good or bad, it's just her strategy. and it won't make any difference what she promised to anyone if she doesn't win HOH, which she doesn't want anyway. last night she assured herself that she doesn't need to win it...strategy. jason gave up too early last night now he has to win HOH, that's all. dani is now irrelevant to the final decision. strategy. |
Thehamricks | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:12 am     Go Lisa, Go Lisa, Go Lisa. Hang in there, you are so close. You are kickin butt in the end girl! I am not hooked up to the live feeds, but I was so excited to hear you won!! Can anyone give me a quick run down of what happened last night? Who went first? I thought Jason may be tough because he was able to sit out that disgusting tub competition. |
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