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Moderator

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Debate your opinions pro and con of the character of the Houseguests. Keep in mind that we are discussing the one named characters being portrayed in an artificial environment, keep the real life person out of it, we don’t truly know the real person. No bashing of fellow posters will be tolerated. Language standards will be enforced. This thread is more loosely moderated but is not moderation free. Excessively harsh posts may be moderated. If you choose to defend a favorite houseguest in one of these threads don’t let yourself get emotionally hammered. Every houseguest has at least one defender who can emotionally detach themselves, if you can’t do that, stay out of these threads.

Earthmother

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 07:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle to me is game player. I don't doubt that she is a game player in many aspects of her life. She sees herself very differently than we see her. I don't think she is much different than many people I know in my life who think that because you believe in God and go to church that somehow you have a direct ticket to heaven no matter how you behave on earth.

She irritates me because she has yet to realize that your children grow up to be a mirror image of you. The things that she says about others is an indication that she feels superior as a mother and as a human being, which is the exact opposite of what her religion boasts as being without sin.
Putting on nice clothes and walking through the doors of a church are not what makes you a good person.

This game though it may benefit her financially may have cost her the respect of family and community. Personally if given the chance to avoid her in real life..I would. I could never trust that she would not be hateful and cruel behind my back for whatever petty little reason she chose to do it. I would not trust her in the workplace. How would I ever know what kinds of rumors she would be starting and flaming when I wasn't looking so she could get that promotion? She could very well have ruined her own reputation for a few bucks.

I realize this is a game, but I also think the behavior of these people is indicitive of their true personalities. In the beginning they play a role, then as time goes by they become more of themselves than they care to believe.

Spunky

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What I never liked about Danielle is this "brainwashing" the others about Roddy, with "He's the devil". If you repeat over and over "he's the devil" you almost start to believe that and question all the things Roddy did against them... She reminds me one of those puritans in the 17th century who cried " Down with the witches, to the stakes!!!"

Otherwise, she did have that strategy since the beginning and she never waivered, so it could be her strength, but I'm afraid the Jury will grow tired of her...

Deirpg

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 09:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I used to really like Danielle and she was my number one choice for a winner, but I've recently changed my mind. My reasoning is mainly because I'm sick of her calling Roddy a devil, when in fact, she's more cunning and two-faced than he is. The whole "devil" thing is getting old. Also, some of the comments she made about Gerry were just outrageous. She needs to stop judging other people, and begin looking at what changes she needs to make to herself.

At this stage of the game, she is my LAST choice as winner. I would rather see ANYONE win other than Danielle.

Badabing

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 09:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Both Danielle and Roddy are the best players in the game, but Danielle is mean spirited

Seamonkey

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't liked the attitude that she's somehow better than.. but that is just annoying

I didn't like the "poor me, this is for my kids" stuff at all.. very annoying but people got real tired of it and haven't heard it so much lately.

Those are tactics in the game.

I really really dislike the way she pits people against each other.. she cannot tolerate it when Lisa or Jason get close to Amy and like her, or stick up for her.. she just works and works to stress the negatives about Amy. This is really cold. But when she makes stuff up and spreads it around, that enrages me.

I don't like her passive-aggressive personality.. the talking about someone, bashing them and not just talking TO the person.. she did it to Gerry; Lori called her on it publicly and we know what happened to Lori. She's definitely done it to Amy and commanded Jason to NOT talk to Amy about it.

She's done it to Marcellas.. I'm thinking she may be trying to "out" him on his age.. noticed a convo where she asked his age and he avoided it.
She's definitely sowed seeds of distrust with Lisa and Jason about Marcellas.

Yes she demonized Roddy, but he did give her fodder for that and others also realized something was wrong there.

I don't like the masquerade with people.. being the "mom" to Amy.. often what she is doing is basically telling Amy that her feelings are not valid, or giving her advice that is in Dani's best interest more than Amy's. (I'm not saying she doesn't also give Amy good advice, becaus she does). But telling her she loves her and simultaneously spewing the bitterest of venom about her.. bad bad stuff.

She worked Gerry.. getting up early, lying in wait, getting what she wanted expressed or found out, calling him "papa bear" and then trashing him. And as he pointed out, she wasn't the only one with kids but somehow only her kids were important.

Way back the day she told Amy she was "nipping it in the bud".. the first big Amy/Marcellas fight.. the nipping was not necessarily to allow Amy to have her feelings but to tell her to suck it up and deal (and be evicted like a good "baby girl") and then Dani talked about her older daughter and how they clash at times and how she COMMANDS her daughter not to dare cry. That really made my blood run cold.

So while I think Dani had herself "together" to play the game and definitely has been a survivor for herself.. I don't want her to win anymore.

Wendo

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Earth, you make some interesting observations, though I disagree with many of them. However, I won't respond since according the the first post in this thread we are to "Keep in mind that we are discussing the one named characters being portrayed in an artificial environment, keep the real life person out of it, we don’t truly know the real person" and it seems to me that discussing Dani's family, her friends, her communtiy, and workplace are not appropriate for this thread. JMO.

However, Dani in the game has made some very obvious tactical errors. Her diary room entries don't help her, and her use of gossip in the house detracts from her game playing as well. Her other game playing strategy has been very effective though. But, like most of you, I think the other poor tactics will cost her the money should she make the final 2. And, I question whether she will even get that far.

Bridgetlovesbb

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 11:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I do NOT like Danielle the player. (dont know how she is in real life)
She uses people and she is very mean spirited. And its not so much that she IS those things as the fact that she LOVES to call others on the same things that she does! Everytime she calls Roddy the devil I want to scream. It is getting to the point now when i hear her voice or see her I want to shut off the feeds or TV. She is UNBELIEVABLY hipocritical! JMHO

Danimom

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay someone help me out here... help me understand where Danielle has done things that are just so unreasonable or nasty that she shouldn't win. I just don't get it.

To me, the most appalling thing in the house was Josh and the butt slapping. Or Josh and his comments about race/religion, his disrespect for women.

Everyone talks about everyone. Everyone lies. Everyone manipulates. Everyone decieves. Everyone name calls. Everyone is hipocritical. Everyone has shown some form of mean spiritedness. Everyone is in the DR talking about each other. Everyone vents. That's how you make it this far in the game.

Where is Danielle going wrong that what she does is so far worse than everyone else????? I really don't get it. Help me understand please!

(No I'm not her mother, not related to her, don't know her. My daughter's name is Danielle.)

Dee723

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 12:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think danielle's behavior in that house is VERY indictive of who she is outside that house. The nastiness comes too easy and it's got to be an ingrained part of her personality. I agree with Earthmothers post 100 percent. It's interesting because Danielle had a conversation with Roddy where she was stating that sometimes the worst ones are the ones who are in the church.

Danimom, I agree everyone lies, manipulates, deceives and yes that's the game. However, Danielle puts a new spin on the nastiness. The classic example is with Amy's drinking. The night with the white dress Danielle was making fun of her and so on and so forth, the thing that made me the maddest was the very next night. A bottle of wine was opened and Amy refused her glass and Danielle did her best to try and get Amy to drink that wine. She simply would not take no for an answer. It's diabolical. Jason was praising Amy for not drinking and Danielle was egging on her on. She professes to be worried about Amy's drinking problem and then practically trys to pour it down her throat? I've lost any sort of respect for her.

Meme9

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Earthmother, I could not have said it better.

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you all the way Earthmother.

I don't see how the "inside the house" Dani can be totally opposite from the "outside the house" Dani. Maybe the house is a pressure cooker and maybe the situation exacerbates her flaws until they come bubbling to the surface as judgemental and backstabbing.

The thing is....that behavior could not come TO the surface unless it was *already* BENEATH the surface! I'm not talking about the gaming....I am talking about the trash talking and gossip.

I don't think people enter a place like the BB house and adopt en entirely new personality and behavior pattern. Their basic behavior patterns have already been established for years and years. They may attempt to repress their more unattractive behavior urges..... or not....but people (and leopards) just don't change their spots for a whole new set overnight.

Katlady53

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You said it, Earthmother! IMHO, her smug holier-than-thou attitude is a reflection of the kind of person she is outside of the house. I would not trust her further than I could throw her, as my mother would say.

Moderator

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why can soldiers kill viciously in War and then never do another violent act in their life?

Why is a reflection 180 degrees from reality?

Why is it so important to try to relate how a persons actions inside an isolated, dehumanizing, high stakes cut throat environment is a reflection of ones true character?

Dont bother answering I dont care.

How about this one though. Why is it you can provide people with something really cool, free of charge, ask for very little in exchange for it and they must immediately do one or the other of the two simple things you asked them not to do?

(DVader)

Wedge

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 04:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont know Mod...but I think temptation and human nature must play into it. Curiosity perhaps..but of course selfishness because if ya asked them not to and they did it...well thats purely selfish...ANYWAY
I also was wondering how the "devil" comment given 200 times by Dani in the last week ,would go over...she is sounding a bit "nuts" with that..I think its hurt her big time...makes her come off bad. Maybe she is just too type A for me, but I think she is a bit tense lately..:)

Wendo

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 02:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Excellent point Moderator.

Perhaps one cannot resist the urge?

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I would assume that a soldier kills because he HAS to....even Jason could kill if he was in the military, trained to defend himself and sent off to face another soldier in battle with a gun aimed at him. But, even that wouldn't make him a person that enjoys the character assasination of his "friends".

I think the behavior that Dani exhibits regarding trash talking of people that she pretends to respect is indicative of a pattern already in place....she wasn't trained to do it in BB boot camp.

JMO

Spunky

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 01:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm afraid Danielle will find out soon enough she will never win the 500k and no matter with whom she will be paired off in the finals.

At best she will win second place with 50k, still not bad for a summer job.

So, no use giving her any advice how to get to the finals, she will lose in the end anyway. The jury will be merciless.

Maris

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 03:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Her language is absolutely disgusting. I cannot believe that woman is using words like Motherf'er so many times. I want her to go. She goes on about racism in the house and Gerry and his racism and all I hear out of her mouth is you dont want to deal with an Angry Black Woman. What is that about? She said that Gerry brought race into the house, well if he brought race into the house she is making sure nobody forgets it.

C1mag

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris I am shocked she is running off at the mouth and finally cussing but I wouldn't fault her for that. It's been a f_ck you contest with all of them from the beginnig. Her anger seems to be directed towards what Roddy pulled on Amy and the rest. She's just venting. I'm not so sure about the Gerry and the race card thing. She could just be in a bad mood. They are all allowed to have one of those days every once in a while. I agree with the names she is calling Roddy. I think he was a full on jerk for what he pulled on many of them. Of coarse that is my opinion.

Costacat

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 03:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I pretty much agree with both Earthmother and Seamonkey. I liked Danielle, in the beginning. But she rapidly started to irritate me, and has steadily fallen out of my favor. I do very strongly think that her character in the house is a reflection of her character outside the house. Game or not, she just too easily mimics people behind their backs, persists in being the center of attention (yes, she does -- have you not seen her talk over all the HGs to get attention?), sic each HG against the other. I, personally, think she is a small minded woman. I don't know Danielle outside of the house, and I have no desire to do so.

All of the above, of course, is my opinon, to which I am entitled.

Aunt_Bob

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 10:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The first line in the first post (generic post by a moderator and in all threads of this type) of this thread reads as follows: "Debate your opinions pro and con of the character of the Houseguests."

FACT: This is NOT a debate, there are no *pros and *cons. A debate is a forum from which a minimum of 'two' opposing points (opinions) are discussed. Here, there is NO opposition . . . YOU ALL AGREE --- you DON'T LIKE Danielle . . . This thread is a copy of, what seems to be, incessant others, run over & over like so many notices through a Xerox machine.

QUESTIONS: What's the point??? Why start another "I DON'T LIKE Danielle because . . . thread"??? Why do (some of) the same people, like hungry vultures, go from post to post looking for new Danicarrion to feed upon???

NOTES: 1)You know that was not the originator of this thread's intent for it. 2)I know there were a few that were not negative (CON), but they were not PRO either, they were just kinda sorta 'neutral'; this does not make for a DEBATE.

***So, what's my point? HECKIFIKNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gidget

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 10:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really hate the way Dani is playing but you have to admit it is a masterful plan, means to the end and all. Her biggest mistake from a game point to view is her DR entries. I think they will cost her the win no matter who she goes up against at this point.
I guess what goes around comes around really does.

Wendo

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have no problem with people debating the character of Dani IN THE HOUSE. But geez, read the first post, this thread is not for discussing her character or who she is OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE. Why is that so hard to follow? Is it really so hard to follow the intent of the moderators request?

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe there are so many "con" posts and so few "pro" posts because Dani is not very well liked...or not easily defended...

This is much less intense than the plethora of Roddy bashing that went on in dozens or threads....ESPECIALLY the "HG-DEBATE: My OPINION of Roddy" thread.

JMO