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Nimtu

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 03:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The point being made is that Danielle is presenting herself as Mother Teresa and putting down others cause she has judged them not to be. I'm just not crazy about that.

Car54

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 03:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For the second time today, Gramma, I LOVE YOU!

Rozmatoz

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 03:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Regardless of spirituality, Danielle has said some things about the houseguests that are mean, hurtful and may have negative repercussions outside of the house. She said these things to demote or degrade someone who was in her way of the '500 g's'. There has to be line that we as humans are not willing to cross, even for money. Danielle has crossed that line many times. I also felt that when Roddy asked the houseguests if they would stay in the house for a year for a million, he excluded Danielle from answering the question because she had children, but she injected that she would have no problem being in the house for a year for a million bucks. I could not leave my children for a month, there isn't an amount of money that could replace the time that I spend with my kids. Besides the fact, you never know what may happen and I could not imagine intentionally seperating myself from my family.

Denecee

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nimtu, I guess your perception of Dani is completely different than mine. I try to see more of her than just her strategy of playing the game. She has shown genuine caring for the other HG many times. I don't care if she wins at this point but if she does it will be good because she has made me laugh.

Denecee

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roz, what HG (besides Jason) has not said demoting things about other HG? You just want to pick on Dani. It's easy for anyone to say what they would do for a million $ but it's all talk and not very likely to happen. I would not leave my children for a year either but people do it all the time for different reasons. Who am I to judge?

Cassie

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 04:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dence: <<What you people who are bashing Dani need to realize is that she is playing a game
to win 500K.>>

What YOU need to realize is that the "game" being played here is based on interpersonal skills (not football skills or any such analogy). Most of the comments I've read here comment on just that: how she deals (and double deals)with the other people in the house. Her relentless and degrading backstabbing seem to go WAY beyond strategy but are still nonetheless, her interpersonal skills. I don't think it's any great stretch to assume that's just how she deals with people outside the house too. And BTW, why do you care if posters are Christians, let alone GOOD Christians??? Do you really think it's your business?

Maryk

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 04:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
San Fran - I like reading your opinions! Keep it up!
As far as opinions of Dani, she is getting no worse opinions than what Roddy got in that thread. Gerry got it right when he describes Dani - hypocrisy. She preaches one thing and turns around and does the opposite. She finds fault in others without realizing that she herself has those faults. She talks about not preying on the others weakeness but she herself has played the 'poor me' card to the other HGs in the effort to guilt them into not going after her.
She continues to bash the HGs that already have been evicted. She becomes a chameleon by bashing or planting seeds of dissent against a HG who she is not speaking to at the moment, then goes to the other HG later and does the same thing.
I really wish she gets shut out completely from the money positions.

Pie_Eyed

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 04:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
San Fran~ I enjoy your posts...keep 'em coming! I like what you have to say about Dani and Marcie. AND I really like your profile. Great picture....and whose feet are those?

Tresbien

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 05:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rozmatoz: "There has to be line that we as humans are not willing to cross, even for money. Danielle has crossed that line many times."

Rozmatoz, I just wanted to pop in and say I support you on this. I made the same point once in regard to Roddy's game-playing tactics. To me this isn't about religion but rather about generally accepted societal values of fair play. I'm disappointed that some of BB3's HGs think that anything goes in this game. Sad...

Bohawkins

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 05:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
posted in the wrong thread... and just edited it out for posting where I wanted to originally. I have nothing to say here, except I agree with SanFran.

Zeyna

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 06:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with SanFran too, as always..

Wendo

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 06:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cassie said, "I don't think it's any great stretch to assume that's just how she deals with people outside the house too."

Well, since no one here knows her personally, nor has anyone who does posted, we really don't know how she is outside of the house. We can assume, but we all know the saying about that...

Zeyna

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know how much I like that saying...it only applies when assumptions are made on little or no evidence. I think it's fair to assume that after watching someone's behaviour for months, you can start predicting it to a certain degree. Danielle has remained pretty consistent, and just for that reason, I don't buy that she's completely opposite out of the game. I do think that the HGs are in a pressurized environment, and are probably not identical in their personalities on the outside. But the core is still there...Afterall, can we say that Jason is a good guy? Would someone dispute that statemtent based on the argument that we don't know him personally? I very much doubt it.

Fuddyduddy

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 07:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a problem seeing where D has shown real concern for the HGs she is trashing behind their backs!

She obviously came in with her strategy and I think she could have played this game to get her to this point WITHOUT grinding her heel in their back either before and especially after they have been evicted.

She is now coming on to Amy, and poor Amy has NO idea what D has said about her. Wait until her friend Hadley lets her in on the news!!! I feel Amy will be devastated.....once again, betrayed by a supposed friend.

D can do all the manipulating she wants to, but why does the vicious gossipy name calling have to be part of that game?

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fuddyduddy...."D can do all the manipulating she wants to, but why does the vicious gossipy name calling have to be part of that game? "

Interesting choice of words...Dani was referring to Amy as "vicious" to Marce earlier today...somehow in the context of Amy talking about people. Hello?

Fuddyduddy

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 08:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep, she does work her magic.......has Marcellas now believing that Jason must go!!!

She is gooooood......and now J gets dumped.....
I really don't have a problem with that too much, although I wanted to see J win...

Like I said......if she could have worked her way to the end game without the bitterness she shows while talking with others....my hat is off to her.......

(I don't excuse any of the others for bad-mouthing, either)

And let me just add this to that!!!! I know they are beyond excited about knowing the plans for the remainder of the game.....but there is poor Amy sitting there having to listen to all this......how about a little consideration, folks?

Oh, I forgot...we're talking about the HGs!!!! Consideration is an unknown virtue to these people!!

Wendo

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fuddy, I don't know why she's gone the route of gossiping. Perhaps it was strategy to keep the others mad at each other and not her. (She said this once to Lisa, that the key to the game was making sure the others hated each other, it kept their attentions off you.) Who knows. But I do agree, it will affect her chances to win. No doubt.

Maris, perhaps, I don't discount your theories, but, for me, I'm not going to assume this is who she is in real life. (I don't assume ANY of the HG's are who they appear to be in the house. Josh would be a prime example. His Nazi comments about Gerry were awful. After seeing him on the show on Thursday, though, I can see he is nothing like who he was in the house. I think it's important to remember that.) As I wrote above, it could be one of her strategies. A way to demonize the others to keep the attention off her. A tactic or a tool.

Not a good choice, though, I agree.

Wendo

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meant to add about Josh...most people on the board seem to think he's a pretty good guy after all of it. So, who knows.

Wendo

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, it's not CERTAIN that Amy is leaving. It may be a for gone conclusion, yes, but ya never know! Still 3 days until Thursday. A lot can happen between now and then.

Bmh

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Wendo..I dont think anybody has a right to say that Dani is the same way she is on the outside..you dont know!..stop assuming she is..you aren't Dani and you dont know how she works..as Wendo said Josh seemed almost likeable on thursdays show..and I have never taken
Dani's name-calling seriously..I personally believe it is part of her stratedgy..but unless you actually know her dont say she is a evil woman in real life..thanx

Fuddyduddy

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 08:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
While D may not be an evil woman in real life, her strategy for winning the game is out here for all to see.

I just wish that she didn't have to make others hate each other to get to the end. It's because all this is seen on the internet (the back-stabbing, false accusations, etc.) that I think is not right.

I would assume that in real life, if there is something Dannie wants, Dannie gets!!!! And I think it makes one (at least me) wonder how far she would go to get it!! (LOL)

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 08:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No, we don't know what Dani is like on the outside...maybe she is wonderful, loving, forgiving, kind, nonjudgemental person....but after seeing her vile ways for the last two months, I doubt very seriously that she is not exhibiting personlity traits that were not already fully developed before she came into the house.

As much as I can't stand the woman, I do honestly believe that she is SMARTER than to just purposely trash people as a *strategy*, thus throwing 450K down the toilet. Her trashing of Tonya, Roddy, Gerry, Josh, Chiara...all AFTER they have left the house...is not the strategy of a smart woman....it is the behavior of a judgemental woman.

I'm not saying that she will take this behavior out of the house.... we can all hope that she learns how unkind it is and that she will NOT be this way when she leaves.

JMO

Fuddyduddy

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran...you said it more eloquently than I could!

I agree with you wholeheartedly!

Flyonthwall

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 08:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
HELP!!!

I know there are some good LFP'er in this group so if you can please please go leave a few lines in the LFP area!!

Thanks so much!!!
FLy

Bbfntic

Monday, September 09, 2002 - 08:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
as a mother myself (and one that had my children quite young also), i WAS hoping that dani would win - if not for herself then for her children. i did start to notice some things that bothered me about her from the beginning but i decided to put them aside for the time being. now, i do agree that we cannot judge her "behaviour" in the game as the true dani (because after all she is no doubt fighting for her family - and wouldn't we all?) however, things that she has said she has done outside of the house gives a better picture of who she is.

there are several things she has mentioned that have lost me as her fan:

1. she came into the house right from the start telling everyone she is there primarily to have fun and be on her own for the first time in her life. i don't care if this is strategy talk or not, my heart ached for her daughters who just wouldn't understand mommy saying she needed to get away from them.

2. she said that without the winnnings they could not buy a house. last week they were talking about buying cars. dani told the story about them having $16k and how they went shopping around for a minivan. couldn't they have bought a house with that and a used car maybe? i am not one to judge however, if they make a good enough living to save that money then can they not buy a house?

3. and finally, if they are that poor, where on earth did she get the money for her breast implants?

just my two cents.