A Kiss..or two..or three?
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Watching2 | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:53 pm     Didn't anyone catch Danielle tellling Amy to look at what they were signing? She said something to the effect of, "you know the alphabet!" I don't think they were trying not to include Amy, at lesat at first. It almost seemed to me it was more of a joke on Jason - making him think they were signing something regarding him and teasing. It seemed to me Amy jumped to the conclusion they were talking about her, and perhaps they did after she hid. I do believe it was first about Jason, tho! Maybe, I'm losing it from watching this stuff too often, but I'm almost certain it was said Amy knows the alphabet, which is all Danielle knows as well. Also, earlier on, Lisa was teaching letters to anyone who wanted to see and learn. I remember when she was teaching Roddy, Danielle and others were commenting regarding certain letters, etc. I doubt we're going to get "closed captioned" live feeds, but haven't they put the words on the screen when they were whispering and signing during the actual show? |
Laffy | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 12:08 am     if i didn't know better i'd think i was listening in to a bunch of jr high girls talking about who was kissing who. is it really all that interesting to adults? it was just a kiss or two. they're adults, what's the harm? why is it even interesting? |
Lynnann | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 12:22 am     Thank you Only Human for clearing up what many seemed so confused about. It is very interesting to see the underlying pettiness of Dani and Lisa. |
Onlyhuman | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 12:43 am     Laffy, I kind of agree with you. My impression from all of this is that people are trying to figure out what this situation says about the people involved. Some interpretations lead people to conclude that... Amy is jealous, selfish and needs to be the center of attention at all times. Conversely, Amy is a victim and is struggling to fit in with people who are subtly (or blatantly) insulting her. Danielle is a manipulative and petty basher. Conversely, Danielle is a straight talker, playing the game but enjoying her time in the house and bonding with others. Lisa is a petty, sly, jealous woman. Conversely, Lisa is a smart, attractive woman who is just playing the game. Jason is a nice guy who is being victimized by the women in the house. Conversely, Jason is a little slimeball, trying to play the girls for his vote. The truth is, the people are probably all of these things. As Allietex pointed out on another thread, people are complex and capable of exhibiting the opposite character traits at various times. But our view of them tends to be more one-dimensional, skewing our observations of their behaviors. ***** Lynnann, I kind of agree with you on the pettiness, but I also think that some of it is just the normal gossiping that people do. Amy just happens to present as easy subject matter. Looking over all of this, it's notable that Amy does not have someone to gossip with like Lisa & Danielle do. If Amy did, we might see some of the same type of behavior from her. But, I must say that, for all her negative talk about Chiara, Tonya & Gerry, I have never seen her say bad things about Jason, Danielle & Lisa, even when Marcellas was in the house. Those three CANNOT say the same about her. Even when Marcellas devastated her with his comments, she didn't join Roddy in trashing Marcellas. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 01:50 am     Onlyhuman, Actually, there was one night when Amy and Mar were in the HOH (don't know who WAS the HOH) where they both went on a long bent about Danielle. It was pretty harsh, yet interesting at the same time. Not the nicest of things I've heard come out of their mouths, though not the worst either. Maybe someone with a better memory can recall when it happened exactly. But it did, I watched it. C1mag might recall... |
Onlyhuman | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 02:07 am     Wendo, I remember that conversation, but what I recall is it was really about the game Danielle was playing, not about her as a person. They were talking about how Danielle is many things to all people...like she will be "ghetto" with Marcellas and then like a "mom" to Amy, a girlfriend to the other girsl, etc. They also spent quite a bit of time talking about how Danielle was always saying she needed the money, that she was using that to get people to vote for her. They spent a great deal of time talking about how they were going to have to get Danielle out and, yes, I believe they slipped in some other comments (though I can't remember what.) However, I really DO think that was, at the time, a strategy session more than anything else. I really can't recall that they called her any names or put her down as a person, but I could be wrong! It's happened before...(believe it or not ) |
Laffy | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 04:45 am     i think it's funny that, for all the postings deriding the bashing in the house, we are much worse at bashing HGs than they are. maybe we should clean up our own house before attacking others. they are just people, playing a game, for a half mil. that's all. |
Gidget | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:11 am     I don't care who gets Jason. I don't think Lisa even wants him. But I wish one of two, Amy or Lisa would grab that boy, give him a real kiss, the kind that leaves no question that I want you NOW and then tell him to deal with it. I'll bet we wouldn't hear another word out of him for the remainder of his stay!!! |
Jagger | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:26 am     Did anyone ever think that maybe they are all just bored out of their minds and are just having some good clean fun. They are trying to make the time go by a little quicker, I see nothing wrong with anything that has gone on the past few days. You don't see any of the ladies getting extremely upset or running to the DR to complain. If the hgs get out and read this board they will probably be LTAO at some of the comments about if they should have or shouldn't have kissed, is it being fair to the other to say one thing about this or that. They are having fun, let them do what they want. |
Bkmac | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:26 am     geez, all this drama and there wasn't even a little slip of tongue?? What were the "kids" thinking?! |
Jaysgal | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:36 am     LOL, Gidget. I agree. I'm so sick and tired of him being pampered. He needs to be a real man for once and be held accountable for his actions. That said, what's with Amy too wanting to have her cake and eat it too? I'm quite confused here. Since when did she own Jason? I thought Roddy was supposed to be her "stolen" bf. She isn't content with that one? She needs more? All this while, I thought it was just Jason who had interest in her but she was teasng him. So, how did she suddenly get upset with him or anyone, provided it is true that she got upset? LOL! Here's it in summary: Jason is leading them on. He pretends to be all innocent but promotes any flirting with him. He wants them to be the aggressor and do the approach, so that, unlike Roddy, he would seem innocent in women fighting themselves. On the other hand, Amy is all about drama and competition. She may not have feelings toward Jason, but the fact that he was leading her on to believe that he admires her or finds her attractive made her feel special. She didn't really care for him though. But once another female becomes the eye candy, she gets upset because she's no longer special. I mean, how could you be special if the same thing is said to another woman or the same attention is given to another woman? Basically, Amy's beef is with the attention getting off her and seeming not to imply that she's special. It isn't really the act that bothers her or that she's in love with Jason. It's that Jason's attraction is no longer limited to her. Jason is playing it himself. Simple as that. I won't even blame Danielle for anything, except this is her good strategy opportunity. Sometimes Jason just plain disgusts me. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:43 am     Jason disgusts you? A little innocent flirting and you're ready to condemn him? Gee you're really tough. |
Jaysgal | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:19 am     LOL, Wcv63, I thought this while that you were tougher than I. Seriously! :D It's just the whole acting like a kid thing that's starting to irritate me about Jason. That's why I thought this while that Jason was the last born in his family (I always wondered what little brother he spoke of, thinking that Josh was his older brother). Jason and Amy are very identical in level of maturity, except Amy is very blatant when she exhibits hers and her form of acting is drama. Jason's form of acting is pretending to be naive. I think they would fit each other really. LOL! Sorry, Wcv63, I don't mean to be harsh. I just get irritated at some point [with the houseguests]. It's all funny at first, but the antiques get too old and repetitive. :P Gosh, if only I could change my nick.... This is the worst I have ever picked. Okay, I'm not serious about changing my nick, but I wouldn't mind having another one. :D |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:53 am     Here I am again-have to go on record saying that Only Humans' accounting of what happened Monday night re: the kiss, etc. is not the same as what I heard. Many of us were listening and posting as we listened in the thread Dani Said She has to Go (PP) so read those accounts. Amy started whining and complaining the minute Jason kissed Lisa. |
Lynnann | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:53 am     onlyhuman saw it as it was happening, so did I , so did many people with live feeds. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 12:02 pm     So did I,and I was posting about it. I have a different view on what I saw. The account posted here leaves a great deal of what happened out. |
Lynnann | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 12:18 pm     onlyhuman 's account was the first intelligent, objective report I read that night. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 12:24 pm     Lynnann, You do not need to infer that I am stupid and biased. Onlyhuman's report does not sound like what I heard. There were several others that agreed with me. We have different perspectives. Onlyhuman is an Amyfan. (So are you) I like her, too, but she is not my favorite. In any case I will not trash my fellow posters. |
Moderator | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 12:28 pm     Different people have different views. Please respect each others different perspectives. This is a case where no one is right and no one is wrong. Let's get the topic back to Kisses! and off of each other. thank you (cw) |
Jaysgal | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 12:37 pm     Okay, I think that I should chime in here. Now, as much as admittedly each of you have your favourites, I understand what Only Human's objective was. It was to report events exactly as they happened without mention of body language (interpretation), which would be a subjective aspect of accounting events. And she did accomplish her objective. I liked it. However, I do understand on the other hand what point Meggieprice may have, despite her reasons for this. Basically, Meggieprice is saying that in the process of reporting the story "objectively", as in factually x made statement y, Only Human omitted relevant information about events that may otherwise make one who is reading her account of events perceive things differently. Although I did not witness the events, but I do think that there's a point there. It may be an unintentional suppression of evidence. And I highly suspect from all appearances that it was unintentional. Only Human's report hardly interprets events she accounted of. Nonetheless, I do get what Meggieprice is saying. I don't think that ulterior motives invalidates the points that each side has. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 01:03 pm     Jaysgal, I'm pretty tough when I need to be. No harm, no foul. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 01:09 pm     I truly apologize Lynnann but I felt that you were implying that my posts regarding the same events were not objective and were not intelligent. I think you might be able to see how I might have drawn that from your words. I love these boards, I love our different voices, and I know we have differing opinions. I left a picture of Amy on the I love Amy thread last night as a gift to all you guys just to show you I know how it feels to be a fan. edited for typo |
Onlyhuman | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 01:20 pm     Whoa.... Actually, the report I submitted was NOT my straight observations. I watched, but my feeds were spotty due to some computer problems. I tried to figure out what happened based on the thread Meggieprice referred to, but there was a few conflicting viewpoints. Same with the live feed reports. Next thing I knew, everyone was arguing about the events and who was at fault. But it was difficult to debate motivations when the order of events was unclear. What I did was try to piece together what had happened in order to give us a jumping off point to further the discussion. I used our live feeds, as well as this thread, the Dani Said She Has to Go Thread, and reports made by watchers on other boards. I specifically went back to the cruise because it was referenced several times on "the night of the kisses" (LOL). I tried to list the facts that were corroborated by several people in several places. I tried to keep the terminology as neutral as possible, as I indicated, because I wanted to be neutral myself. I have never denied enjoying Amy in the house, but I am not blind to her faults. If you want the honest truth, I think she did get jealous, and I think she overrreacted. I also think she realized this and was trying to figure out why. I also think some of it was a planned stunt that got a little out of hand. And I also think that Danielle and Lisa like to bait Amy, because she is such an easy target. I don't think it's done maliciously, but I don't think they realize how cruel they can be. If they really thought they were hurting someone, they would stop. So, Meggieprice, I agree, there are reports that Amy's "whining & complaining" started as soon Jason kissed Lisa. There are also conflicting accounts. I tried to note that in my summary. Lynann & Jaysgal, thanks for understanding what I was trying to do. I'm glad you liked my post. |
Dntx4bb3 | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:03 pm     Hummmm...I wonder why Lisa is complaing about Eric kissing Tonya on the lips...The other HG's said what was the differance with her kissing Jason on the lips. |
Jaysgal | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:18 pm     Eric kissed Tonya on the lips? I was never aware of that. Honestly, Lisa seems to believe in her body as the reason she merits something. She's basically a spoilt brat sometimes. She behaves maturely most of the time, but she acts childish sometimes when she's in love or needs affection from a man. She has some complex with men and relationships. |
Dntx4bb3 | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:20 pm     I hadn't seen it either...but was watching LF's and it was when they did the Food comp..eating the brownie house. |
Dntx4bb3 | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:20 pm     I hadn't seen it either...but was watching LF's and it was when they did the Food comp..eating the brownie house. |
Dagny | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:26 pm     I LOL-ed when Lisa complained about Eric kissing Tonya. But Lisa passed off the others comments about her kissing J as "the internet fans requested it" What a hoot! Jason said "when I was in the DR they told me something else the internet requeseted" LOL Not sure if it was a dig towards Lisa...or if he was actually pushing the envelope. |
Meggieprice | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:55 pm     Well, if you are watching the live feeds right now Amy is doing the same thing (In MY perception!) she did around the kiss the other night- sulking, whining, making everyone pay attention to her and driving them up the wall. Jason just said "It's time for Amy to go to bed" BTW, the quad cam is AWESOME tonight! One on each of them for the conversation. REally great watching. |
Cliotheleo | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:04 pm     Did anyone actually SEE the kisses that Amy says Roddy gave her? I mean did anyone see them happening on the live feeds? Other than hearing other posters saying that Roddy had Amy's red lipstick on his lips, the discussion of them the over the past few days has been the first I've heard about them. Not saying they didn't happen, I just don't remember them. |
Cameltoes | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:12 pm     I saw a few of the kisses. While they were on the lips, they were no big deal. Barely more than a peck. She would immediately go to Marcellas and brag about them. |
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