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Eliz87

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't understand how so many think that Danielle has played this game well.

Reason #1 - She has been basically a non-player, throwing the HOH competitions and making others do her dirty work, even up until the END (this week she's making JASON do the dirty work). Call it strategy if you like, but it's a foolish one when it comes down to being in the bottom two.

Reason #2 - She's a FOOL for being happy about winning HOH this week, because that means she cannot win next week; thus, she is not guaranteed a spot in the final two unless Jason wins HOH next week. She apparently did not think this out while she was dancing around after winning HOH. Foolish, foolish girl.

If, God forbid, she does make it to the final two with Jason, I hope Jason wins. And I also hope that Jason doesn't share ONE CENT of his money with her, because she's used him as a pawn by making him do HER dirty work all along. Some friend.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle is eligible for HOH this week. Reason #2 in your analysis is null and void. The last HOH is a free for all.

Eliz87

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ohhh.....NEVERMIND. ;-)

Guiltyviewer

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eliz87, I can understand why folks think throwing a comp is somehow not playing 'fairly' especially when the hg goes thru the motions of saying they want it so much and acts upset when they lose, etc. But think about this---even the hgs who've won HOH have said time and time again how much risk they put themselves in the following week when they cannot compete for HOH again (until this stage of the game as Woodpecker so ably pointed out----Guilty waves a big howdy to Wood!!). Even when an HOH has nominated someone as a decoy, that nominee has felt vulnerable and goes thru a lot of stress the week they're up on the block. Some have sought to get even, directly or thru their allies by targeting the HOH who nominated them.
I think Dani factored this in when she decided to throw comps---it is just as effective and a smarter choice to let someone else get the job done without having to get your own hands dirty in the process when you are in this strategic environment. Why paint a bull's eye on your forehead for the sake of a basket of snacks and a little privacy?

Alaginger

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
HeHeHe ....... why do I feel like Gilda Radner is in the building???

Csnog

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dannie IS allowed to compete for HOH on Thursday.

Dannie has done a great job as a player and it shows in the fact that ALL the evicted HG's had no idea about the alliance between Jason and her.
That is a great accomplishment in a house full of gossip.

Jason did his part by being in both camps and sharing the information that he learned with Dannie. Thus Jason is not an angel in the relationship and his hands are not as clean as you would like to believe.

Being HOH puts you in the eye of a hurricane and Dannie has not wanted to be there. Also there is no shame in being not noticed in the begining of the show.

Danni will have to overcome the bashing of the HG's she has done, some of it not called for, and Jason will have to overcome the fact that it appeared he did not play the game and road her coat-tails.

After all the name calling it is going to come down to voting between what the evicted HG's think they perceive.

Is Jason the Saint?
Is Dannie the Sinner?

I think it's a mixture of both.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle decided long ago that going to the final two was her goal in this game. (Throws a box of Krispy Kreme doughnuts to Guiltyviewer). Her strategy remains intact. Her chances at winning the big money are slim when she is pitted against Jason or Lisa. Stranger things have happened, however. I look forward to the end.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I may not like the unnecessary cruel bashing Dani has done in this game, but I do think Dani has played this game well. All of the remaining HGs have. That is how they are the remaining HGs. Simple as that.

Guiltyviewer

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Juff bakuv she dnt wnna win diznt men it wsnt smart
(Guilty should know better than to try to talk with a mouthful of doughnuts! Will come back later when the box is empty :)--hugs to Wood)

Mack

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spot on Gina! Amy probably is the only one still standing that hasn't had to really play the game well....at least not as well as the others. Dani has done a great job. I think throwing the HoH contests, letting others do the "dirty work", and then not getting caught doing it is actually great game playing. Dani's downfall will be the DR tapes if the jury gets to see them. IMHO she messed up big time and should have kept her mouth shut. Dani loses to everyone in the final two exception possibly Amy....and I don't think Amy is going to be around for that.

Bcandscott

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Every so often someone points out that the people left MUST have played well, simply because they are there. I'm not sure that is completely valid. Sometimes people end up where they are NOT because of how well THEY have done but perhaps how poorly someone else has done or through chance.

I'm thinking about a short track speed skating competition in the winter olympics, where American Skater ONO was favored. Coming around the final turn, another skater collided with ONO, they went down and an Australian who had skated dead last all through the race sailed across the line for a gold medal. To add to the amazing quality of this event, the Australian (who was there primarily to promote his ice skating boot company) had achieved the final in a similar race where the front runners fell and his placement was so far back, he avoided the wreck. In an interview after his surprising gold medal finish, he was asked what his strategy was, and he said "well actually, I hang back and hope everyone who is a better skater than I am falls down."

Nothing is ever simple.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Winning is all about the last person standing in this game. Whether the strategy was accidental or thought out for months in advance, whoever gets to the end is the one with the 'best' strategy.

Because the game can be rather random (IMO) is the reason I don't go in for the 'who deserves to win' discussions. Because there is no deserving IMO in a game like this. First off it is a game, not a morality test and second, too much of the outcome is rather random. Too many of the HOH competition questions are bizarre, and there aren’t enough of them to really test anything. Same goes for all the POV competitions.

So, whoever wins, wins. I don't ever think it is because some perfect strategy a winner used. I don't think any player deserves to win more than another.

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I so agree with you, Bcandscott and Gina8642. People give too much credit where not due. Because Will won the game, for instance, people credit him completely for an excellent game. Will had so many factors going for him, one of which is the subjective belief that Nicole had feelings for Will and Nicole did not like Monica. She knew that Will was at a better advantage than she, but she would not mind him winning as much as she would Monica. Also, the jury may have considered: Who was the lesser of the two evils? The answer was clear to me. The same applies to Survivor. My question at the end was, who was the lesser of two evils? I disliked Richard so much and didn't want him to win, but when I looked at option number two, it was not a pleasant thought to see her go home with the first prize.

It all boils down to luck and many times the poor game of the average player. In BB 3, we have too much luck and poor game of other players going on. Does that make the other player who's still standing an excellent player? I don't think so. What it does establish, however, that whatever it be, their play was better than the other party's at the end. However, it does not make them independently excellent players.

Making such argument of how it makes them [independently] excellent players is like arguing that the houseguests so much wanted Amy back in the house because she got a 4-2 vote. That argument is flawed once again because it presumes that the houseguests in the first place wanted anyone at all into the house. It disregards the fact that the houseguests were given a dichotomy and never a third choice to choose to have no one return. From all appearances, the houseguests expressed unhappiness about having anyone.

So, once again, there are so many disregards to other factors playing in the game. We cannot look at the game individually. We must look at it hollstically, because each individual's success is dependent upon other players and external factors beyond the control of any player.

Mrdisguise

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa never won HOH on her own. The only time she won was because the other houseguests voted for her.

Fruitbat

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Anyone standing in the final four has done something right. What constitutes playing well is determined by the outcome.

Cindyluvsroddy

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani could of been a great game player, but...

the in-your-face lies - i mean, the point blank lies - will hurt her in the end ...

she didn't have to lie as much to Marcy as she did .... she could of played that alot better ..

She also should of laid of the calling of Roddy the devil .. but she went to far and didnt know when to stop ...

there is no need to call other HG's names behind their backs ... why she would do that is beyond me ...

every move in the house is so calculated with her .. however, does she did think that evicted HG's would not know about what she says or does?

she has been in command for quite some time - but because she is a bit anxious - she went to far on some things ...

her game playing methods are good, but not great .. great would mean that she has a real shot at the $500,000 .. which she doesnt at all .. but she will be the best $50,000 winner BB has ever seen lol

Jan

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
cindy and all Dani fans I think maybe Dani realizes that she may be in a spot of trouble up against Jason. She has done the manipulating while he kept his hands relatively clean and she probably knows this.

I believe 100% that, given the opportunity, she will take Jason with her to the final 2 ...and that she is trying to even the boards a bit by letting him do some of the visible dirty work:

1) she let that become a tie vote against Marc..she could have told Lisa to vote out Marc but, if she had done so , then, to Marc, she would have been the only betrayer .Making it a tie, made Jason equally guilty.

2) the way she worded her nomination speech..she nommed both girls and threw it to Jason to decide which one should be evicted...again making him the fall guy for Amy.

So she was doing the best she could to secure those two votes for herself.

I think she will also let Jason win HOH (ie only try to beat Lisa) so that he can oust Lisa and she can try and secure that vote.

It's a good strategy. If it worked it would give her 3 of the needed 5 votes plus she figures she has Gerry's (he told her so often enough)....so only 1 more needed.

Unfortunately she doesn't know about the reaction of the ousted HG's to her.

Cindyluvsroddy

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
jan - its a little to late for dani ..

she cant win the $500,00 ...

Jan

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
yeah I know cindy but what I am saying is that SHE doesn't know that and is still working to try and win it all even while taking Jason with her.

Earthmother

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dani has played this game very well!! She has been able to (through others) get rid of those who were her enemies. She has thrown competitions when they wouldn't help her and won the one she needed to win.

She will definately be in the final 3, not by hanging on coat tails, but by giving those coat tails power to do the job for her. She knew when to make deals and when to break them. Do I want her to win? NO..but that is based on a personal dislike for her, not because she hasn't played one heck of a game.

Nicole played a great game last year and I felt the same way. They have intuition that is needed to play a game like this, too bad they lack integrity, it was Nicole's demise and it probably will be Dani's.

She deserves to be in the finals, her game was that good. Will the jury vote for good game playing or for the same personal reasons I said I didn't want her to win? That is the question that can only be answered on the last show.

Jan

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
yep earthmother, when you're right, you're right!

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle played hard. Danielle played to get herself and Jason to the final two. She is almost there. She is almost assured of $50,000. If Lisa wins the final HOH, Lisa wins $500,000 if she evicts Jason. If Jason wins HOH, he beats Danielle and wins the cash. If Danielle does not succeed in getting Lisa evicted this week, she has no chance at the big money. Danielle against Amy is her only shot. I have a feeling she may try to do this before the week is over. We will see.

Cindyluvsroddy

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
like ive said, Dani has played a good game .. not great through ...

great would mean she would have a shot at the $500,000

Wendydarling

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Of course she hasn't played well. She was too wrapped up in TV time in the diary room to conceal her true agenda...had to brag...without realizing that every comment would be seen by evicted houseguests.

Even if she did realize that the comments would be seen, she underestimated their probable anger at being "played".

She's no Survivor Rich....and she's no Will BB2. She might have won if she could have controlled her outrageous desire for TV drama in the diary room.

Throwing the HOH comps was smart play, and staying underground with Jason was smart play, but she should never have come to the Final Four with 2 of the most beloved contestants in the house - Jason and Lisa. That was more vacuous game play.

And don't tell me she'll be happy with $50,000...she came to win it all. Wake up and smell the perm.

Maris

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Her only hope to win it all is to get Jason to evict Lisa, let Amy win HOH and evict Jason. Amy is the only one Dani has shot at winning the game against.