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Guinevere

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If you don't like the thread, how about just not reading it, instead of posting mesages complaining about it? I ignore the Danielle groupie thread. You can hardly claim you didn't know it was an anti-Danielle thread - the title was pretty clear.

Smrtass

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One of the things that irritate me about many (not all) of the people on the juries on these shows is that they suddenly develop a different moral code after being evicted and hold the remaining houseguests to a higher standard than they were willing to maintain themselves while they were in the house.

Excellent point, Jimmer.

Tallyho

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What strategy is it to mock and make fun of people who are already evicted???
What point does it serve.
In a word it is STUPID.
Had she gone in the diary room and said "Hey, it just a game, nothing personal" or "Roddy I dont think you are the devil, I just had to figure out a way to get a great competitor out of the game"
NO
instead she continues calling the guy the devil and bashing him after he is gone.
I am sorry
that is not a good player.
People left that house HOPING Dani would be the winner they were not "sore losers" when they left, they were just annoyed and insulted when seeing the way Dani talked about them both while they were in the house and AFTER their evictions.
It was a $500,000 error she made
So she has NOT played the game smart.
All she did was COST herself votes that she already had in her pocket!!
This is not an I hate Dani post
Its a Dani played this game very foolishly and had she kept her mouth shut she would be $500,000 richer.

Shyguy

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Battlestar said it best above "anyone who reaches the final two deserves some money" It's irrelevant
how they got there.
Bohawkins- lol

Battlestar

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bmh---it really doesn't matter that Lisa is where she is because of Dani--because that is NOT what will give or not give Danielle the votes.

iii

Bmh

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Battlesatar---I love Lisa to death but personally..I dont feel she deserves to win...by just hanging on the coattails of Dani for the majority of the game..she was completely UTR..and just did whatever Dani told her to do for weeks..that isn't good gameplaying..Dani played the game every week she was there..and worked her butt off to get where she is thats why I believe she deserves this money..she played the game..end of story

Earthmother

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You are right Battlestar, that just gives Lisa a chance to kick her butt out the door...lol

I don't think Lisa has played this game at all...she is truly where she is because she is a weak player and Dani preyed on the weak..I'm not saying that was bad strategy on Dani's part, but it was Roddy's too and he sure got hell on these boards for it.

Battlestar

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bmh---but the gameplaying is not the only thing that wins Big Brother. If Danielle had only remembered that SHE would be taking home $500,000 with little dispute.

So--she played an awesome inside game but a terrible oustside game and the result is minus $450,000

In bicycle races, it is frequently the person who rides in the slipstream who wins the race. The lead racer did all the work but ran out of energy for the final push.

C1mag

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They were never considering evicting her? I guess you missed it at the half way point when Marcellus made it clear he wanted her out becasue she was a mother and he didn't want to be standing next to any of the mothers. This is why he tried for a while to keep Roddy in the game so he could go after her. Another person who had her on his target list.

I wouldn't exactly call them morons but perhaps suckers... Anytime another player can talk someone into playing the game their way ( when marcellus didn't use the pov, and jason not holding anything against her) then they are playing the game brilliantly. The word is called manipulation and it's in the rules.

Did she really alienate them by evicting them? Get real!! Thats the game! Yes she laughed at some of them behind their backs. We could stand them in a room and go from person to person and point out the same behavior by all of them but Lori. This really should not be the reason to deny the better player the top amount. You'd think that it would be so simple when voting for the winner. You know the better player is the one that got you evicted.

If you were to eliminate all the words and just vote based on the one who controled the destiny of many of the evicted Dani would be this years winner. Thats really Roddys last game move. Too make sure they all vote based on hurt feelings rather than looking past the words. The rules made it clear... You can backstab, manipulate, and lie. She did all of those things better than they did. That is why they were sent home and she remained in the game.

It's odd... Last years winner was brutal when talking about the others and yet he was praised for the approach. This years best player does less trash talking and more strategic game play and is villified.

It really all comes down to a bunch of sore loser that trashed talked as well, but now that they are out of the house seem to have amnesia about their own behavior. Like I said... 50,000 isn't too shabby. For all the complaining those sore loser will do about hurt feelings they still go home with next to nothing and Dani walks away one of the winners.

Tallyho

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can someone tell me what week Dani was in danger of being nominated???
What skills did she use to avoid being nominated?
These are people that on the way out said they were rooting for her to win it all.
Now they no longer feel that way.
why is that?
Because Dani played the game so well they no longer like her???
I thought from the beginning her aligning with Jason strategy was even stupid.
Because she picked the only person in the house who might have beaten her in the end (back then)and chose to align with him.
Playing a good game means the people come back at the end and vote for you.
Not that they leave wanting to vote for you and then see you trashing them (FOR NO STRATEGIC PURPOSE JUST TO TRASH THEM)and then come back and vote against her.
The game is about winning $500 K people
getting to 2nd place and managing to blow a victory that was in the bag is not smart play.
Call it bull
call it Dani-bashing
call it whatever
she alone cost herself votes of people who WANTED her to win.
That is a dumb player.

Niceguy

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Even I think this thread is a bit gratuitous.

Battlestar

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle will be going home as one of the winners---and good for her, she earned it. But I doubt she'll be going home as the 1st place winner. She is wearing Nicole's knickers--and Monica's footprint is still showing on it

Katrina

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't feel terrific about Danielle getting any of the prize money, but I feel better about it when I think that the money will also be going to two young girls who are dreaming of their own house and their own backyard and a man who very much stood by the girlfriend he knocked up in high school. Danielle doesn't deserve to win for them per se. However, they have very much sacrificed this summer for her to be there, so any money she does win will be a nice reward for them. I feel good about that part, even though I'm not personally high on Danielle herself. It's not a reason for her to win any of the money in the game, but it will be a nice result of her winning any of the money.

Tallyho

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Please don't give me the remember Marc speech
YES I remember him saying that he KNEW Dani was just using him to get rid of Roddy and that after he did her dirty work she would get rid of him.
He told the diary he KNEW she was doing that.
yet he still nominated Roddy and helped Dani.
Why?
because Dani was so smart?
no because this is the same dope that did not use PoV on himself.
And there is NOTHING odd compared to last year.
Will kept telling the others and showing the others he could not be trusted, yet they kept him around because they thought they could beat him in the finals WILL USED A GOOD STRATEGY which was to be hated and kept in.
Dani was LOVED inside the house then hated when they saw her from the outside.
Will had a strategy in the house of acting that way to stay alive.
What strategic purpose did Dani have for pissing off people who WANTED HER TO WIN??

Niceguy

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I'm o.k. with Dani getting 2nd prize cause I've a new target on the horizon: Ghandia Lewinsky...er hummf, cough cough. I mean Ghandia Johnson. Heh Heh Heh Heh Heh.

Its all about the love.

C1mag

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Battlestar I agree with you...Someone has to be the villian in the end and this year Dani has that title.

Tallyho: From week one they were all in danger of eviction. You don't go in that game thinking that you are safe. Thats really how Roddy lost this game. He kept assuming that everyone was watching his back.

You think that aligning with Jason was stupid? Then you have missed what her goal has been. Yes the top amount of money is a GREAT bonus but the goal was to get to the end. What better person to align with than a person who had an ear with the other side of the house. It was excellent!

You keep singling out Dani as the lone trash talker.. My God Lisa called Gerry a pedifile. Marcellus wanted the man to die of a stroke. We won't even get into what Chiara pulled on Lisa and Eric flat out said he would lie to stay in the game if given the chance the week he was evicted. If you are convinced that Dani was the queen of trash talking in that house then you singled her out.

Lets face it... The real reason many of the evicted are no longer standing in her corner is because she snowed them into believing she wasn't a tough competitor. They can't believe she was instrumental in their departure. She could have been the most saintly in the house and if she had gotten them evicted they still wouldn't give her the top prize. Thats usually what happens.

Earthmother

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OH NO YOU DIDN'T Niceguy...You mean Rob,had to bring my skateboard to the jungle, don't you?


At this point in BB...Dani, Lisa,,,Lisa, Dani...second place, it's all the same to me...lol

Itsallgood

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
GO AMY!!! (oops...that's right she was EVICTED!)

GO LISA!!! Take it to the end girlie!!!!

Oops, is this not the venting Thread? LOL

Ok I'm kinda bored....

Cindyluvsroddy

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
whoever wins the money deserves to win ...

that includes dani ..

and trust me - im no fan of that woman

Niceguy

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robb(Ball-bearing brains)is small potatoes.

Ghandia is about to give jungle love its true meaning.

C1mag

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tallyho go to the official website and read danis strategy before she entered the house. She hasn't faultered in it.

By the way I don't think Dani is hated outside the house by the other players. Some where just surprised how hard she was playing. Roddy has even said he doesn't hate her.

Tallyho again... Anytime another player can sucker someone into not nominating them and their fellow alliance member then they are playing beautifully! Espcially when that person is saying they need to go. She played Marcellus right out the door. He had every intention of doing the same to her. She did it first. His parting words even say that she did nothing personal to him. He too was just shocked that she lied to him. Thats covered in the rules.

Danis comments about the others was a mutual house conversation many times over. Did they all do it with the intent to piss someone off? It was an unfortunate decision for all of them to engage in trash talking. Because they all did it you shouldn't be faulting one person for it. Especially when the house allowed Josh to humiliate Gerry to his face early on.

Wills comments were no act. They were brutal. Danis does not compare. Maybe Marcellus actually matched Wills comments.

Niceguy

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh C1mag I don't want to get into this.

Unfit mother is a below the belt comment. You can shrug that aside?

Niceguy

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Especially with how she's been flirting with Jason?

Tallyho

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When did I ever single Dani out as the lone trash talker????
The difference is that people like Gerry and Marc and Chiara were out of the game and WANTED Dani to win.
These are people who while in the game did not even have Dani in their sites to evict.
Dani talked trash behind their backs and CONTINUED to talk trash after they were gone.
WHY????
FOR WHAT REASON???
If Dani is so smart and such a great game player why did she do that???
Just answer that.
Don't tell me what others did.
Tell me why she trashed people who loved her inside the house and who still loved her and wanted her to win as they were walking out the door of the game.
What was the strategic purpose (since we are being told how she played it so great from week 1)
of offending these people???
She ONLY wanted to make it to the final 2???
The taxes on 500K are a lot more than 50 K so she wanted to save money.
Just please someone explain why Dani said things about people who were already gone and who were obviously watching her????
Don't tell me what others have done or what happened in previous seasons.
Just explain what the hell she was thinking and how it was intelligent strategy??

Penpoint

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 02:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag: "It's odd... Last years winner was brutal when talking about the others and yet he was praised for the approach. This years best player does less trash talking and more strategic game play and is villified."

The above bit of revisionist thinking sure made me laugh! Will told everyone he lied, and then he lied. Above all, he was always polite and respectful of the other HGs even after they left the house. On the hand, Danielle has done more bashing (trash talking) in conversations than anyone else she was talking to, and for the most part she has been the one to instigate any bashing conversations.

Of course, I may have made the wrong assumption, C1mag--perhaps your mention of this year's "best player" was a reference to Roddy, who didn't participate in trash talking, was involved in strategic game play, and was (and is still being) villified unmercifully.