Why does Lisa and Jason listen to Dani about taking her to the end!??
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Luvhubby | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:37 pm     Ok, this has been bugging me. Dani goes to Jason and says no matter what it will be them two at the end. Dani goes to Lisa and states that as long as she gets to be one of the two, and Lisa will promise her, she will let go of the key. So here we sit... Dani with Jason: (WE WILL BE THE FINAL TWO) Dani with Lisa: (MAKE ME PART OF THE TWO WITH YOU) How stupid is Lisa and Jason..all Dani has said around all of them is I want to be part of the final two? Everyone in the house has heard this from the longest time. Don't they relize..meaning Lisa and Jason, that they could be the final two, and tell Dani "It's Just a Game" I mean come on Jason get some B*LLS and Lisa win the HOH and toss Dani A$$ out! |
John1971 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:41 pm     Danielle told Jason about her deal with Lisa. I think Lisa will toss Danielle out if she wins HOH. She turned down the money during the last luxury comp. so I think the money isn't even that important to her. She knows Danielle is a liar. She may loose to Jason in the end but Danielle would be gone. |
Oregonfire | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:41 pm     I think on Lisa's part, taking Dani to the end is partially strategic. Lisa has a better chance of winning against Dani than she does against Jason. Jason would take Dani to the end for more loyalty reasons, plus he has to know that he would also fare well against Dani in the final jury vote. Dani did offer Jason an option to being Roddy's boot licker, which I have to give her credit for, and maybe he does too. |
Dottiesue | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:44 pm     I wonder though, if Lisa thinks she can win against Jason in the end? I think I've heard her say that she doesn't think she can beat Jason. I think she'll take Dani to the end with her, then Lisa wins. JMHO |
Jaysgal | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:48 pm     Luvhubby, Lisa was "stupid" before, but she's now seen the light. Lisa has said and will say that she will take Danielle to the end. But if every word in that house were stamped with gold, then every houseguest would still be in that house. Hence, it is relevant to read a houseguest's past pattern when they say something. Recall that Lisa had given her word already about evicting Roddy. Yet, she later came back to them and kept enquiring about giving a sympathy vote. And in the DR, she still expressed doubt. Recall when Lisa went to Chiara and said that she would give Chiara her vote? Did Chiara get it? No. Lisa kept saying in the DR that it was 50/50 for her. Recall when Lisa was all agreeing with Danielle but then told others and the DR how she didn't believe things Danielle was saying about her DR enteries? There are many more examples, some of which were stated by other posters. Lisa basically still sorts things out even when she's "given her word". What Danielle did to Marcellas and Danielle's constant bragging has made Lisa see the light. She knows Danielle's game now, because Danielle clued her on several things. And Lisa hardly seems like someone who forgets things. In my opinion, she will not take Danielle. Again, her philosophy is, loyalty and justice. Dropping Jason and taking Danielle would not be justice. |
Cupcake | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:48 pm     John1971 - from your lips (or should I say keyboard?) to God's ears (unless Dani has a monopoly on them)... GOOOOOOOO LISA! |
Phillymom | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:49 pm     Dani has 2nd place locked up, both Jason and Lisa will take her with them if they win HoH. Dani's gooood (as she used to say about Roddy), people really believe her when she tells them something. I don't think it's stupidity on either Lisa or Jason's part, but rather that they are more trusting types. And the truth of it is, neither one of them has had a reason to doubt Dani until this point, so why should they start now? |
Wendo | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:55 pm     Jaysgal, but you're forgetting that Danielle expressed to Lisa weeks ago about her doubts in Marcellas; that he possibly made a deal with someone. (Roddy, etc.) When Marcellas admitted it, and Roddy confirmed it, Lisa knew that Dani's reasons were valid in dumping Marcellas. I don't think this is a valid argument on why Lisa wouldn't take Dani to the finals. In addition, Dani kept her word to Lisa that they would make the final three. So, another example of Lisa seeing Dani as trustworthy when it comes to her. And, as much as it would be nice to think Lisa is all about loyalty and justice, there's a half million dollars within her reach now. She went into BB to play the game and to possibly win, if she made it far enough. I think, in a sense, it's asking too much. She's not stupid. Taking Dani to the finals would be in HER best interests. |
Jaysgal | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:10 pm     "Jaysgal, but you're forgetting that Danielle expressed to Lisa weeks ago about her doubts in Marcellas; that he possibly made a deal with someone. (Roddy, etc.) When Marcellas admitted it, and Roddy confirmed it, Lisa knew that Dani's reasons were valid in dumping Marcellas. I don't think this is a valid argument on why Lisa wouldn't take Dani to the finals" Huh? Marcellas and Roddy were already out of the house, so there was nothing for Lisa to confirm. The question is, did Lisa believe Danielle? I say, no, she did not. Danielle's words somehow are passed as divine revelation. Unless Lisa is worshipping Danielle, there's no way she believes Danielle. The signs were still there: Danielle didn't trust Lisa enough to tell Lisa of her intent to evict Marcellas. She came after the fact. And as I said, Lisa didn't bother sharing with Danielle what Marcellas had come plotting. Lisa usually did that when it came to past houseguests. And Danielle has repeatedly demonstrated her ties to Jason, which is consistent with what Marcellas said and was plotting with Lisa to break the alliance. Basically, Lisa no longer sees Danielle as "her Majesty", though Lisa's intimidated according to Lisa. If Danielle can be content with $50, 000, so can Lisa. Not every human being is greedy. Some would be content with that amount because integrity takes precedence in their lives. |
Halloween | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:11 pm     At this point, if the two last houseguests ARE Lisa and Jason, Lisa still might win if the two are allowed to speak before the banished houseguests vote. All Lisa would have to say is that Jason was in an alliance with Danielle and it was Jason who did the dirty work and Danielle was the mastermind. |
C1mag | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:16 pm     The idea that Lisa would try to get even with Dani for any lying by not taking her to the finals is ludicrous. Within the house Lisa is only aware that the many evicted noted that Integrity would be the key to victory. As far as Lisa knows Jason would be the one to recieve the votes based on that. Is Lisa stupid enough to hand Jason the money? Hell no! She's already said that no one could beat Jason and she said that last night. So what if Dani gets 50,000. Shoot you may not like her but the woman did earn that amount. Lisa is playing for Lisa and at this point if you think you have a shot at the big money you go to the finals with that person. You don't try and get even and in the process give up that big money. Lisa will take Dani to the finals if she gets hoh. |
Dagny | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:16 pm     Using the excuse that Marcellas had a deal with Roddy as a reason for eviction doesn't hold water, when Dani herself had a deal with Roddy...not to nominate him. Dani admitted on the show the other night that she didn't want HOH because she couldn't nominate Roddy. How many other HG's did she have that same deal with?? Is it possible that is how she was never nominated? |
Jaysgal | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:21 pm     "Hell no! She's already said that no one could beat Jason and she said that last night." She also said that people would give the votes to a mother if it is Danielle vs. She. And she did not believe the DR claims Danielle was making. Eliminating that statement is eliminating something's that critical to answering this question. Yes, she said it last night, as she had said it in the past too about Jason, but so did she consistently speak of a mother getting the sympathy vote because she's a mother. Isn't Lisa supposed to be the Princess of Darkness? If the Queen of Darkness would not abdicate her throne, then the Princess must throw a coup. Simple as that. |
C1mag | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:21 pm     Jaysgirl you are wishing too much for Dani to get nothing and in the process creating a fairy tale that Lisa would not jump at the chance to take the bigger amount. Dani is content with the 50,000 only because she knows she blew it a long time ago. If she ( Dani ) thought for one second she could come up with a scenario that could get her the bigger money she would play with the idea. You keep suggesting that Lisa would take the time to get even with Dani for lying... Don't you get it? That is even more reason for Lisa to take Dani to the finals. If she suspects the woman is a liar then all the others voting would probably feel the same way. Again I will say... Lisa is going to take Dani to the finals and don't be surprised if Lisa gets hoh if Jason doesn't flat out tell Lisa to pick Dani to make sure Dani goes to the finals. |
C1mag | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:24 pm     Sorry jaysgirl but Dani is getting 50,000. Either she will get it standing next to Jason or she will be standing next too Lisa. If you are a Lisa fan then give her some credit. She isn't dumb enough to take Jason with her to the finals. Lighten up a bit... Your desire to have dani win nothing is getting to you. Just think of it as Lisa getting the big money and then maybe you will be able to accept what is going to happen. Dani has seccured herslef 50,000. It was a great move on her part and nothing is going to change that. |
Jaysgal | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:29 pm     "Jaysgirl you are wishing too much for Dani to get nothing and in the process creating a fairy tale that Lisa would not jump at the chance to take the bigger amount." I agree. It's just a fairy tale, as yours is until the hour and day comes for eviction. I am still sending my positive vibe toward Lisa's direction because it's not all over. She needs the spirit to win this game. And if she doesn't, all of this talk would be a wasted talk for what was not. So, I'll just keep hoping at least for the first level and then we can witness who she takes at the end. One step at a time. It will all happen on Saturday, according to what I read. |
Pulk | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:29 pm     Lisa would get a lot of brownie points from the Jury if she axed Dani. I wonder if she will figure this out. |
Kalekona | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:33 pm     Dani didn't turn on Marcellas because he made a deal with Roddy- It was because Marcellas ran his mouth to Roddy and filling him in on Dani! She told Lisa about that before Marcellas was evicted. Lisa isn't stupid she'll take Dani and like it or not Dani earned it, she worked it hard the entire time right down to the wire, if she throws HOH she keeps her word to both Lisa and Jason and can say she played with integrity keeping her WORD <when really given>. |
C1mag | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:34 pm     Pulk if she could know that then maybe she would do it but that is something Lisa is unaware of. If you are a lisa fan the cool thing to think about is that if she does take dani to the finals then she wins the whole thing. Just centeralize on that and stop worrying about Dani taking home 50,000. Wouldn't some of you dani dis likers like to see some of those jury memebers nail her on national tv? I would think you would love to see that happen. |
Pulk | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:37 pm     Haha C1, yes the jury nailing her on national TV would be great but would CBS let them do that as it would take away all the suspense of the final vote? |
Prisonerno6 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:48 pm     Dani is content with the 50,000 only because she knows she blew it a long time ago. If that were true, then why did she say to Jason last night that she threw away $500,000 making her deal with Lisa in the pool? While she may have told others that she would be happy to get second place in order to secure their alliance in taking her to the final two, I think she's really been playing for first place all along. She just hasn't realized exactly how much her bashing of evicted houseguests (and not just in the diary room) and her double-dealing has hurt her. That cost her at least two votes (Gerry's and Marcellas's); it may have cost her more, but I don't know how people like Roddy planned to vote before seeing and reading what she did behind their backs. |
Saggkl | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:49 pm     Lisa said days before the water deal that she would take Danni if she won, because she didn't think she could beat Jason, ( which I am not so sure of). I am pretty sure that Danni strongly thought that Lisa would take her. Danni has been pretty much assured of second place every since Marci left. |
Sonya10000 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:02 pm     Why would either Jason or Lisa take anyone to the end but Danny is the real question. Contrary to what everyone seems to think about these 3 CONTESTANTS (its a game folks) None of them are stupid. Jason and Lisa both know taking Danny is an easy win. Danny did not need to give her word to either of them. They both will take her or I will retract my statement than neither of them are dummies. Personally I wish there was a way for Danny to win this because I think she has played the best game. (3rd time poster ...........in 2 years) |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:12 pm     Danielle is going to get second, unless Lisa gets HOH and gets mad at her. If Danielle has played the best game, she would have a chance to win half a million. Jason played the best game with the least drama. |
Wrat1010 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:48 pm     Pulk: Lisa taking such a big risk (axing Dani) for some brownie points is akin to Marcellas not using the veto to get brownie points with Lisa. |
C1mag | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:51 pm     Very good point Wrat. |
Wendo | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 03:08 pm     Jaysgal, I understand your thinking about Lisa. And, as I said, in a perfect world and a perfect scenario, it's a nice thing to think that Lisa would take Jason. But, Lisa is playing a game, she has to do what's best for her based on the information she has. Based on this premise, for her to win the game, she takes Lisa. I think C1mag explained it better than I could've, so, I'll just defer to his posts. |
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