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Draheid

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Csnog: I apologize for my typo. What I think I meant to say is I don't think she had any more of a chance at the competition than anyone else due to the fact that her 'memory' appears to be one of a 'chronological order of events' type ability rather than the exact events themselves.

I don't believe she threw it, she just may not have recalled the exact event in question. Maybe she was looking away, as she does seem to have a tendency to look down quite a bit when she's not engaged in a conversation or the events occuring don't directly affect her.

JMO - FWIW

Crazydog

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nessa, to me the difference is that Lisa has followed the under the radar strategy consistently. She is relying on her threesome alliance to carry her to the final three and then will do something about it. She has never pretended to be the leader of the alliance and has never had others do the work. She is simply part of the alliance.

Danielle on the other hand is throwing the HoH but then she puts on a lot of pressure to try to ensure that the outcome is the way she wants it. During Jason HoH Round 1 when he did not put Roddy up she complained to no end in the DR about it. She could have done it herself.

Costacat

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jinx Crazydog! You're in my head!

Alaginger

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You guys might find this kinda cute!

http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=298199

Lovelynessa

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually Maris Lisa does do something. She let's Danielle set up the strategy, plant the seeds, and carry out the dirty work. She let's her do that because she believes that they have an alliance that will get them to the final three. So really it could be said that Lisa is having Danielle do her dirty work for her.....

It's really just all perception.

Curlyq

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lovelynessa, I don't have a problem with them throwing HOH. It's the same strategy Will used last year. Josh tried it and so did Roddy. It's a matter of trying to keep yourself from making more enemies than you already have. Danielle may be getting criticized for it because she then influences the HOH to nominate who she wants. If she chose to throw the HOH away, then she really didn't have the right to suggest who to nominate. That goes for anyone who throws the HOH. Of course, that's just my opinion. And you're right. Lisa is using Danielle too.

Wendo

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is no difference between Lisa throwing competitions and Dani throwing competitions. It's a strategy, no more, no less.

As far as Dani getting who she wants nominated and evicted? When has that happened? Seriously. When Chi and Roddy were up, she wanted Roddy gone, Chi was gone. When Ja was HOH she wanted Roddy nominated, Gerry and Amy were. When Mar was HOH, he almost put Dani up with Roddy. (If Amy hadn't pissed him off, that's what would've happened.) Doesn't show much control to me.

As to Mar and Amy's nom last week, Jason and Dani worked together since they are, afterall in an alliance. Had Mar not reacted to being nominated like he did to Jason, he would probably still be in that house right now. Mar screwed that one up when he became a threat to Jason (as well as betraying her weeks ago.)

You all give Danielle more credit than she deserves. She couldn't control Amy, nor Jason, nor Marcellas and their nom decisions. Where does this control come from when really, the last several nominations and evictions were not what she was hoping for.

Crazy, yeah, she did complain when Roddy didn't go up during Ja's first HOH. But she didn't complain to him nor did she make feel bad or put any pressure on him. She said she respected his decision.

As far as winning HOH, how do we know there haven't been some HOH's she has tried for. We don't know for sure until she says so.

Curlyq

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, I'm reading the lfps now and it sounds like Lisa really needs to keep her chat answers to herself. For those who are watching, is Danielle really surprised to hear she's intimidating?

And was Jason really getting irritated with Amy?

Wendo

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Curly, yes, Jason is irritated with Amy over her constant singing today. He's now mentioned it a couple of times.

Re: Dani, no, I don't think she's surprised to hear that Lisa and Ja think she can be intimidating. However, I do see her point when she says that they sometimes misread her based only on a facial expression.

Dani is an agressive woman. Lisa especially should appreciate that since she would've been gone long ago had Dani not clued her into playing the game.

Csnog

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yesterday during Lisa and Dannies all day chat Lisa said the DR asked her if she threw the laser comp.

She said NO she didn't because she didn't UNDERSTAND the game.

Bbnana

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone know if Lisa told them about the HOH competition for the last HOH? I really hope she isn't that excited or dumb enough to give that exchange with them all...but you never know.

Thanks to Costa for the excellent transcribing of the chat!

Jaysgal

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazydog, you just reiterated my concerns. I was very concerned that Lisa's communication with the real world would scare Danielle and have her running after Lisa this week. Lisa should watch what she reveals. She shouldn't reveal the game questions that were asked. I was even surprised that BB allowed those game strategy questions, because they did not allow it in the past.

Is not it interesting Lisa's description of select houseguests? She said nothing about Jason. Interesting. I hope those of you who didn't believe that Lisa was intimidated by Danielle did read where she gave positive views about Danielle but proceeded to say how she found Danielle threatening (perhaps gamewise) and "scary". She didn't even describe Roddy that way. No one except Danielle got that deep of a description. Interesting. I think that once again it verifies my suspicion that Lisa's seen the light.

Also, recall their conversation where Danielle said how she always thought that she, Danielle, was cold-hearted until an event on this game (I forget which event).

I still think that gamewise she shouldn't hold Roddy and Chiara's actions against them. If it was a Lisa vs. Jason situation, for instance, I would agree that it was a backstab. But it was not that. It was Lisa vs. Eric. They were supposed to be lovers. The bad that Chiara did was to speak negatively of Lisa. But her move was not unwarranted or mean.

Curlyq

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So did she lie to Danielle yesterday about the laser comp? I could've sworn she said in her DR entry on the show that she did throw it because she didn't want to have that veto. I'll have to watch the tape again. I can't believe she'd really be that foolish to not understand the directions, especially since they usually go over the instructions for the comps with them to make sure they're clear on it.

It's going to be interesting to see how this week's vote turns out, because it sounds like they're all trying so hard not to look suspicious or make enemies.

Shakes

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo - are you related to Danielle?

You seem to take anything/everything said about her so personally and discuss her as if you know her.

Maris

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She did say on the show that she threw it but if I remember she said it was because she wanted to give Marcellas a chance.

Crossfire

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Heh, I've often had the same question Shakes. :)

If I ever get into trouble, I want Wendo on my side. Outstanding fan even if I'm not terribly happy with Dani myself.

Csnog

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She said one thing on the show and another thing yesterday to Dannie.

Krossd

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal - what Dani was referring to, or at least what she told Lisa in their chat session... was the first time she cried in the house, was when the couple (L & E) were nominated... she knew then she did have a heart. She had said that she thought she'd come in there all business. (Interestingly enough, far earlier in the talk she said she hadn't cried at all, till Marc. Wonder if Lisa caught that. I do believe she did cry when the couples were busted up, real or not, who knows.)

I watched the whole converstation and didn't find it a bash session at all, it was as they were thinking and have said it was, a memory, and their fondest memory of each HG, when it happened yes there were a few negative comments, but not much and not long. I actually thought that BB may have given them the suggesstion (with the bottle of wine before dinner) to have this conversation, more like a review of each of the HG. They literally went down the list, first Dani answering and then Lisa. They glanced over (to the door where the list was (?) to keep them on track.

(That dissing question on Lisa's chat goes to show how some people perceive things other than it was in total... or how they can take a few comments from an 4 and 1/2 hour talk and make it seem (to others) that it was (all) that way, or seen that way. I'd say 95% was good, honest, and real as THEY experienced it in there - with an occassional negative - but even that was what they experienced. They didn't stay long on the downer type of stuff.)

Krossd

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 03:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani's look is one of ? - worry, dejection, what? Her expression seems to be terribly sad, like she isn't 'loved' like the others. What do you think is going on in her mind?

To me it is as if the website stuff the got today shows the other 3 are more liked out here. Did she think she'd be more liked?

Please don't bash here, I'd like to hear what Dani fans think is going on in her mind. Thanks ya all. ;)

Angelwings

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is really off the title of this posting, but regarding CSNOG about Lisa and Dani talking. Lisa did throw that competition. She even said she did not want to win to give Marc and Amy a chance. But in CSNOG, she said she did not throw it. Maybe I misunderstood her during that competition.

Loppes

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 03:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Krossd,
To the contrary, the moderator in another folder told us to come here. Dani isn't loved? Where was her love last night when Jason and Amy came back? She barely lifted a smile. She is realizing she's not in the running for Top Prize.
She realizes she has been caught in her lies, and her putrid bashing of Roddy. She realizes she is evil, manipulative and it has cost her the game. She's nervous and I'm loving every minute of it. By the way, there is "Dani fan" folder.
Lon

Maris

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am waiting to see how Danni is going to get Lisa to dump Jason. She knows today that she cannot win all the money with Jason there. Lisa is funny, she keeps talkinga bout how much everyone loves Jason. Danni has figured it out.

Keiffer

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 03:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was at work all day and was not able to go to the chat. I was wondering if anyone knew of a transcript or posting of this chat?

Jan

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer the whole chat has been wonderfully transcribed in the live feeds. Check at 3PM BB time

Curlyq

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 03:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There's also a transcript in "Lisa Wins AC".