Archive through September 17, 2002
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Archive through September 17, 2002
Fabnsab | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 07:45 pm     As Bernie said a few posts back, this IS confusing for we who missed it all. The 1st kiss was Amy and Jason in the sr, the 2nd was Lisa and Jason for the chat room promise. When and how did the 3rd happen and why did the 1st happen? Thanks, guys, you never let me miss a thing. This thread should be called a "Tale of Three Kisses" ps, Jason needs to quit saying that Lisa is a better kisser and prettier than Amy. That is just plain rude. |
Draheid | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 07:50 pm     Apparently the 1st (SR) kiss with Amy was 'spontaneous' and *sounds* ?mutual?. The 2nd was the planned kiss just before bed, after Amy & Lisa were both in a shirts and boxers of Jason's. The 3rd was Amy 'complaining' that she wanted another kiss after Lisa kissed him for the internet...and here we are. |
Lynnann | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 08:00 pm     If anyone had a giant buzz on last night it was Dani, but then she is allowed I guess. Amy did not spoil anything- without her the house will be a tomb with walking stiffs. |
Dixiebelle31 | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 08:08 pm     Don't know about anyone else but I am getting tired of reading about Lisa continually talking about wanting more kisses from Jason. Granted, I don't have the live feeds so I can't judge it very well but it sounds like she is just trying to make Amy jealous. Like kids in high school do. Ya know "I already have a boyfriend but I don't want YOU to have so and so, so I will keep flirting with him". Make sense? lol I think Lisa is tired of Amy winning stuff and doesn't want Amy to win more of Jason's affections. I like that he said that he had a really great time with Amy outside the house.  |
Jaysgal | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 08:25 pm     Okay, is it just me or is there anyone else willing to hold the man (or "boy" as some act) accountable in this case? I'm so sick and tired of women fighting amongst themselves when a man does some crap. Roddy was to blame for the whole Amy/Chiara saga, but hardly anyone faulted him. He is the one present twice, and the one connection of the the two women. The same should apply here. Jason needs a huge spank on his behind. Grr! What the **** is wrong with him? Today he's in love with x, tomorrow it's y, and then next week it's w, and then a week after it's q. Gosh! Will he ever stop having or pretending to have feelings for every single woman? Grrr! Okay, I exaggerated a bit. LOL! Seriously though, people generally blame the women and the women fight amongst themselves whilst the man is just enjoying himself, being considered cool; and once in a while chimes in a "don't be upset". Grr! But what makes this case worse is, people already assume Jason's position as "innocent". That man is not innocent. He's an actor and his true colours have been shining the last few weeks of the show. He should be held responsible for his conduct <period>. He's not a kid, despite how much he acts it or pretends to be. The same applies to Amy: She's not a kid. People should stop defending her every move. I'm younger than Amy and hardly do I come close to her behaviour. Amy's formula is simple: Drama. Those of you who sympathise with her perhaps have never had to live with drama queens. They thrive with being the centre of attention. And they don't mind if they are hurt, so long as they get the attention they want. They would even stage it for attention; the hurt is not as painful to them as is the lack of attention. If Amy truly for one moment felt hurt by Jason "kissing" Lisa, then she needs to be rebuked for her hypocrisy, not sympathised with. The same defence came about the whole Amy/Roddy/Chiara saga. People jumped to Amy's defence and justified her mean statements about Chiara and condemned Chiara for her conduct. Yes, Chiara went overboard, as did Amy. When will we all learn after events occur with seemingly same patterns? Amy is a drama queen, no ifs or buts. She makes the drama herself and would be unhappy with anyone who attempts to save her from any drama the whole day. She'll stage another drama for one trying to save her from being "hurt". By her own admission, she loves drama. She even sees drama in natural disasters and loves it. I'm not criticising her formula for enjoying life. I'm just saying that when dealing with Amy, you must use her formula to judge when she's truly been hurt versus when she's simply exaggerating a situation for attention. I get simply tired of drama people. I learned to turn off drama queens in my life. At first I was fooled, but I learned. The drama folks stop and get serious when you show them that you know their antiques and won't waste your time with them. Amy will be all smiling and merrying a second later. That's just the way it is. It is the whole self-centredness concept that's running through their minds. About Lisa, well.... There's one problem I have: People are saying she was simply fulfilling her promise to the internet folks. Fine. But did she really have to commit herself to the request? There was another request made by the internet participants but Lisa indirectly declined. And as someone else asked: Would Lisa really have committed herself to pleasing the internet folks if, say, they had requested she kissed Josh? :roll: LOL! Oh yeah, one more thing: Why is anyone surprised by Lisa's willingness to "kiss" Jason despite her supposed bf, whereas her so-called bf is a used bf? In other words, why would it come as a surprise when Lisa had no problem hooking up with a guy who was disrespecting a gf he had in real life? Hardly is that discussed at all or it is often justified with, "oh, they've (Eric and his supposed real life gf) only been together for about two months". Sorry, but I really had to express myself here. I'm sick and tired of men getting away with things like this; and people generally getting away with stuff because they are liked. |
Ozarktracy | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 08:26 pm     That's just too immature if Jason is saying one girl is prettier and a better kisser than the other! ROFL And of course it would be Amy that's getting these insults thrown at her from him (even if he's teasing... why constantly tease Amy? Sling some sweet innocent teasing Lisa's way too, ya know?). What will they do when she's gone? Who will they pick on, tear down, mock? Jason's such a nice boy, huh, saying such nice things about Amy (and even if he is teasing, it's still rude). I don't know how he continues to be viewed as such a sweet wonder child-guy... didn't he egg Lisa and Dani on last night into another mocking session about Amy? Nice. Maybe Lisa will manage to sleep with him, too, (hey, I mean like she slept with Roddy!!! *Innocently*, on the floor under a blanket!) that would really be a coup, I don't think Chiara even managed to do that. |
Misslibra | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 08:44 pm     Just for the record Lisa never slept with Roddy on the floor, they talk and did sign lauguage and tapped out some codes under the blanket but that was it. And after their conversation Lisa would get up and get in her own bed. Lisa slept with Roddy one time, in a bed in the HRD and they never slept together since then. And that was before her and Eric hooked up. When it comes right down to it this kisses don't mean a thing. Jason, Amy and Lisa are all friends, just having some fun. There is nothing to read into these kisses. IMO |
Misslibra | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 08:56 pm     I take that back about nothing to read into the kisses. Lisa and Amy are in competition to get Jason's to not vote them out. Not sure how much all this kissing will help Amy though. |
Lisad | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:01 pm     Ozark - Jason never said one was prettier than the other. He also did not say one was a better kisser than the other. Lisa gave him a kiss and he remarked that Lisa was a good kisser. Simple as that. It bothered Amy and the party came to a crashing halt. I was up till the wee hours last night watching this and I think I'll only read about the "party" from those names that were posting with me last night who were actually watching the feeds. The events are getting really twisted. |
Misslibra | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:10 pm     Lisad I agree I hope people get their facts straight before posting things that are not true. And when in doubt check out the live feeds. I watch the feeds last night or I should say this morning until they went to bed myself. |
Jaysgal | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:12 pm     Miss Libra, I hope you are right that that's what it is ... just keeping it simple (kis(s)). However, even if Lisa or Amy meant it in good spirit, it seems Jason (or Danielle) is using it as a strategy. So, I think that it is fair to view it from a strategic point of view. Causing enmity between people helps one win a vote in some sense (e.g., Amy gets so upset with Lisa; so should Amy leave, she won't under any condition vote in Lisa's favour). That's simply an example. Oh yeah, about the sign language: I have to say that it's totally unfair, in my view, unless they would permit all systems of coding or language or assure that every player in the house knows sign language. The condition of the viewers is irrelevant as far as the issue of "discrimination". So, what if a viewer signs? Well, accommodation has been made with use of closed captioning and other systems available to television. About the internet, well.... It is simply, to me, unfair to let signing with privileged knowlegde of it before entering the house, unless BB is censoring what is signed so it has nothing to do with the game or they allow others the privilege of communicating in any language or code. None of these houseguests signing are deaf, even if they might need hearing aid. That's my opinion. If just one houseguest knows it and tries to teach it in fun to another houseguest, that is fine with me. It's fine with me because I don't think that anyone can learn it overnight. But when more than one person knows it, it should not be allowed, in my opinion, under this game condition. Sometimes it could work to the disadvantage of the players even if someone who did not understand the language caught them signing. The natural assumption is that they have something going or they are discussing others, so they would be easy targets to be nominated. |
Whit4you | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:13 pm     Lisad dunno if he did say she was THE BETTER KISSER - from what I know he said she was A GOOD kisser .. big difference. But he did say she was the prettiest gal in the house - which isn't the nicest thing to say.. but the gals have all said that Roddy was the best looking guy so - none of them have any tact lol. |
Misslibra | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:14 pm     I agree about the sign language and the code tapping. Roddy was probably saying something to Lisa he didn't want Eric to see. |
Jimmer | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:21 pm     Good grief! So Jason said that Lisa is the prettiest gal in the house. Not diplomatic, but it's not like he said the others are dogs. Think of the Gerry bashing that those women did earlier and compare it with this. |
Sam222 | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:22 pm     Jaysgal...I really liked your post above I feel like I am on the same page as you, I am now in my late twenties and try to avoid drama in my life like the plague, I had way too much of it in my teens and early twenties, I think that is why I have such a bad reaction towards Amy, she is the type of person who I will not let into my life, I have already had my fair share drama queens in my life. |
Whit4you | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:26 pm     Jaysgal - well what's the difference between signing - and whispering? or talking in private anywhere else. I may be misunderstanding your post but I get the impression your meaning that they should not be allowed to say anything without all other hg's being able to hear it? That'd be tough to accomplish. I mean signing to each other is no different then whispering to each other or talking alone on the hammock is it? If your meaning it's different because they can do it IN FRONT of the other HGs with them not understanding - cause it's a different language.. well basically they all spoke a different language then Gerry did - or Kent did lol. |
Cricket | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:27 pm     Secretsmile, absolutely no offense taken regarding your post on the kiss count. I didn't know if Marci and Amy had kissed on the lips or not and I was just goofing too. It is really confusing to try and keep track of all the kisses, isn't it, lol? |
Jimmer | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:31 pm     The houseguests are not allowed to write messages to each other. I view signing as writing a message with your hands (maybe I'm naive and I don't fully understand so I apologize in advance if I have offended anyone by saying this). |
Willsfan | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:38 pm     To me signing in front of my face would be like two people speaking in a foreign language that I didn't understand. Then if afterwards they both laughed like hyneas I would feel like odd man out. Whispering is different. I can't explain why, but it is. It's just part of the game. |
Jimmer | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:43 pm     We have friends who speak a language we don't understand and frequently they will speak it in our presence. I find that incredibly rude. |
Lynnann | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:45 pm     As Amy would say-"BOOM,I GOT YOUR BOYFRIEND!"LOL |
Highdesertgal | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:45 pm     From last Saturday's show, at the end of Danielle's nominations of Lisa and Amy... Danielle-I just wanna say...ya'll are single, he's single...do what you wanna do. (Wink to Jason). that bein' said. Amy-OK Lisa, the competition will begin. Lisa-You better hope that key is a key to the household, boy. BB Voiceover-With Jason having the only vote, how will Amy and Lisa convince him to keep them in the house? I dunno...by kissing him? |
Curlyq | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:51 pm     What are the BB rules about talking in code? I kind of figured Chiara was busted because by the time the staff caught on to what she was saying she had already sent out info about someone who hadn't signed a release. Then there was the thing about Jamie pointing to a book which I could understand them disallowing since they probably couldn't read what she was pointing to and wouldn't be able to convey it to the viewers. Writing messages would also be bad because the camera may not be able to zoom in and catch every word. However sign language is something many people know. They taught us the alphabet when I was in grade school, and I'm betting at least one of their staff is able to tell what they're signing when they do it so I don't see it as quite the same problem. It shows up on camera, and they put up subtitles to explain it on the show so we know what they're saying. I don't think it should be a BB rule that they can't sign, but it should be up to the HGs to know that it's rude for them to use any obvious code to talk about somebody right in front of them. |
Wendo | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:19 pm     Actually, I have no problem with signing. It's a form of communication and can be translated on screen during the shows. That way, we know what they're saying. I don't think they should be allowed to hide their signing (nor do code tapping), but I have no problem with using signing as a ways to talk. In addition, what if two of the players knew French (or another language) and talked strategy that way? Are you going to tell them, NO FRENCH!? As long as they're not hiding it and it can be translated for the viewers, I say go for it. IMO, writing notes is very different that signing or using another language because the note can be written, read by another, agreed upon, and then destroyed, thus BB would not be able to know what's going on. And that defeats the purpose of the game. |
Onlyhuman | Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:34 pm     There seems to be a lot of discussion over the events of the past day and their significance. I've spent the day trying to piece together what supposedly happened yesterday with all this kissing stuff. I'm going to try to lay out the facts and general timeline as it seems to apply. I'm going to TRY to avoid judgemental words like whine, jealous, and manipulative, as these tend to be in the eye of the beholder, and we've had many different eyes watching. Anyway.... Sunday: Amy & Jason go on the cruise. Report being seasick. When asked by Lisa, Jason says that he kissed Amy on the top of the head. During the cruise, Lisa & Danielle remain in the house discussing past events and HGs. Monday morning: HGs see their "web sites", Lisa wins AC internet chat. During chat, Lisa is asked to kiss Jason and to wear one of his shirts and she agrees. Lisa is also questioned about her and Danielle's "dissing" of the HGs the previous night. Monday afternoon: Lisa relays chat information. Some concern amongst HGs about the "dissing". Lisa mentions the shirt/kiss and says she will do it tonight. Jason mentions to the others that he is very concerned about Amy's singing. At some point, Danielle and Lisa show Jason their Amy imitation. Jason asks them to repeat it. Monday evening: Jason kisses Amy in the storage room, on the lips. Amy tells everyone about it, saying Jason is a better kisser than Roddy. After dinner, alcohol is consumed in the HT. From all accounts, flirting occurs between Lisa & Jason and Amy & Jason. Sexually suggestive conversation also takes place. Lisa and Danielle ask AMy about "flashing the camera man" and arching her back in the HT. Amy says she didn't do the former and does the latter because she is hot but doesn't want to sit on the edge because she thinks she looks fat. When Amy goes inside, Jason asks Danielle to do her Amy imitation again. Danielle also mentions when Amy leaves that they are the 3 she promised to take to the final three. Early Tuesday morning: Lisa and Amy put on Jason's shirts and his boxers (unclear if they both did the boxers or just Lisa). They appear to be discussing Jason's upcoming kiss with Lisa and Danielle appears to be encouraging their game to tease him. At this point, things get a little fuzzy...to the best of my knowledge, this is what happens... Lisa & Amy are in Jason's bed. He comes in and sees them, they try to send him away. They are all back in their own beds. Jason gives Danielle goodnight hug, gives Lisa the kiss she requested. Amy may or may not say something in reaction to the kiss (this is unclear if she said something here or after next thing.) Danielle (?) asks Jason how the kiss was and he says Lisa is an excellent kisser. Amy says something to Jason. He asks what. She sits up, says to think about what they talked about in the Limo. He says he can't remember. She lays back in her bed. Jason says something about how all his relationships end up with him not knowing what he did wrong. (Some accounts say that Jason goes to Amy at this point and whispers something to her.) Amy pulls covers over her head. Danielle signs something to Lisa. Jason wants to know what they said. Amy wants to know what they said. Says they are talking about her. Amy puts on glasses so she can see. Amy continues to talk about the kiss between Jason and Lisa. Lisa tells Amy that she got a kiss in the storage room that was spontatneous, while Lisa's was planned. Amy continues to talk about the kiss. Danielle tells Amy to "save the drama for your mama." Amy apologizes for getting upset saying something about being hateful. Jason comes over and hugs Amy, then kisses her again. Danielle says that now Jason has to kiss Lisa again. Lisa asks Jason to come cuddle with her. Jason refuses. More discussion. People talking all at once. Everyone finally goes to sleep. Tuesday mid-morning: Lisa and Danielle discuss Amy's jealousy (their word). Jason tells Danielle that he really enjoyed getting to know Amy on the cruise. He said something about her being different outside the house. Tuesday afternoon: Amy doing laundry, sees a spider on the wringer. (Camera actually zoomed in on the spider) She either asks Jason to kill the spider or to move her jeans (reports of both) Jason can't find spider. Some report that he puts the jeans in the dryer. Danielle tells Jason that there wasn't a spider, that Amy just wanted him to do her laundry. Jason says that he didn't do anything with them. Lisa & Danielle discuss how they don't believe the things Amy said about not flashing the cameraman. ****** That seems to be just about everything. It's clear that there is plenty of opportunity to read all kinds of things into the motivations/behaviors of each of the HGs. Personally, I want to see the film from the cruise. It may be interesting...or it may not. |
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