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Wendo

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Dani has seemingly not been honest about being dishonest not only with the others, but with herself. That's the big difference...JMHO."

If this were, indeed, the case, then she wouldn't even admit in the diary room that she is lying. However, she has admitted, on several occassions, to herself and BB that she is being dishonest.

So, I disagree with your statement that she hasn't admitted it to herself when we've been shown, on the tv show, she has.

Tresbien

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maryk and Punkin, I agree with both of you about Dani. An example of the type of thing that gnaws at me is Dani's story about Amy not wearing any underwear told again and again. I believe that even in a game like this character counts. I am not impressed with Dani's character and don't want her to win.

Battlestar

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fabnsab---then I guess a REALLY GOOD game player would understand this double standard and even though it may be unfair---it may be necessary for a woman to always be aware of it if they want to win.

Yes it sucks---but as Curtis would have said
"Suck it Up and Deal"

Punkin

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fab - Richard and Will won and they both admitted to being dishonest DURING the game...they were honest in there dishonesty (if that is possible). Dani, on the other hand, has not been forthcoming about her dishonesty. I do admire her ability to strategize and play the game. I just think that if she would stop denying that she has lied, etc. that some of us could more readily accept her dishonesty as part of her game-playing strategy. Otherwise, it does make her many bashing comments seem very petty.

Adrian

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fabnsab good point. I did miss what some previous posters had said.

"Will and Rich had gamemanship" ... and they did not bash & trash their competitors? Are you kidding ourselves?

Punkin

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo...to further clarify my statement...
Richard and Will were honest with their fellow players in the game about being dishonest. Yes, Dani has admitted in the DR to being dishonest...but she has not to her fellow game players. I still think that is the difference.

Punkin

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ohhhhhh, as Marcellas would say, "We all gotta just love each other!" :D

Wendo

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't recall Richard in S1 being honest about his dishonesty to the players while the game was going on.

As far as Dani admitting now to the HG's left that she's lied, why would she do that now when she could still get bumped out for it (in this BB.) You admit at the end, but not during.

Wendo

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, I thought some of the things Will said about his competitors in his DR's were rather harsh. Calling Monica stupid was one of them. There were others.

IMO, Will won because some didn't want to give it to Nicole. It wasn't so much they thought Will played better and the like, but that they were pissed at Nicole. Just my take on it though.

Battlestar

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Survivor is a completely different game---the evicted contestants do not have the ability to go back and look at tapes or live feeds or read the public's opinion on what has happened in the house.

That aspect of BB is the 13th HG and has a HUGE effect on the final jury vote

Punkin

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL...Wendo, you make some very valid points and I will partially concede. ;D (Pride won't let me totally concede...I should learn a lesson about pride from Marcellas, lol).

Fabnsab

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No matter what the game is, dishonesty is dishonesty. It is not a bad thing in these games. I just feel it is a bad thing when it is the women doing it. Yes, she has said some mean things but so did Will like Wendo pointed out. He admitted in his DR that he lied to everyone just like Dani does. Jason knows she lies and so does Lisa. They also know it is for the good of her game. They know she told Mar he was safe. It is survival of the fittest in there. I just think they are quicker to forgive the men than the women is all. I guess I should get back to work now. What am I going to do at work on sept 26? lol

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Will never whined when others lied though. He knew it was part of the game and "took it as good as he dished it out".

Dani has lacked in that ability. She has pulled a "Lex" in that respect. She's gotten all ebnt out of shape for others doing or trying the very thing she has done.

In competition, there are two things not respected between competitors--someone who can't take what they feel is ok to dish out, and someone who is a poor winner.

Dani has shown both of those in this competition, and her fellow competitors are taking note of that.

Wcv63

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually Lance I have just seen Dani using the others' insistence of personal integrity against them. Roddy claimed throughout the game that he didn't lie, Dani used this assertion against him as he most certainly did lie.

I agree with FabnSab and Wendo on this one. Dani has played the game agressively and I believe that as a woman she is a lose/lose situation.

Had she played it like Tina from S2, she would have been vilified as having coasted into her position. But she played it like Rich and Will and because she is women is considered has somehow "betraying" the other houseguests by her very ferocity.

I hope she wins because she deserves it. And I hope Jason is standing next to her at the end because they made a formidable team.

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani has called more than Roddy on lying and not being honest. She has called other people on not sticking up for their friends (recent example was her comments about Marc turning against Amy).

I was a Dani fan in the beginning because she was playing hard--just as I was a Roddy fan.

I have no issues with either gender playing hard, and take it as an insult that someone would say I do.

My issue that caused me to stop being a Dani supporter was the facts she crossed the line about making so much of it personal, and not being able to take what she was dishing out.

I also originally liked Marc, but for the same reasons stopped rooting for him.

Punkin

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Lance. I am not putting Dani down for playing aggressively because I admire the way she has strategically played the game. She's put Roddy down for sending out others to do his dirty work while having done the same thing--I don't mind that because that's part of of the game. I just see no reason why it is good strategy to STILL be slamming ex-hgs in the manner that she does. Playing aggressively and strategically does not make her seem like a $itch as someone earlier posted. It's the trash talking that does. I suppose that's the thing that bothers me the most and it bothered me about Marcellas and Chiara as well. They can trash talk all they want about someone else and it is seemingly okay, but when someone does it in return, suddenly they are victims. It does not bother me EXCEPT when they can't take it in return. I would not mind so much if she could take as good as she gets--but she seemingly can not. Will played by the rules he set, but for Dani (just in my opinion), what goes for herself does not go for others.

Ziggystardust

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the difference between Will and Dani is that Will didn't really care, he always had fun and was really just seeing how far he could take it - worked out well for him. On the other hand Dani desperatly wants the money to provide security for her family - therefore it is personal and I think she is doing anything she can to win it! I think it is a strategy as much for herself as to the other HG's to diss people, it makes it easier to make the tough decisions.

Wcv63

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lance I certainly did not mean to imply that your stance is slanted against one gender. Only the very first paragraph of my post was directed to you. I also believe that Dani's comments to Marc re Amy were based on the notion that those two have a genuine friendship that will transcend the game. I too believed that and as such the things Marc said to Amy cross the boundaries of the game.

I do believe that there is general perception that holds women to a different standard in reality games.

Wendo

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Punkin said, "LOL...Wendo, you make some very valid points and I will partially concede. ;D (Pride won't let me totally concede...I should learn a lesson about pride from Marcellas, lol)."

Nah, pride can be a good thing. Debate and discussion (especially here at BBFC) are 95% of the reason I like BB. If "this" aspect didn't exist, I don't think I'd like this show half as much. :) Keep on keepin' on Punkin!

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63--if your last statement is correct, (which I hope it isn't), then in general, competition isn't considered to be equal. That is a very disheartening thing if true.

I would hope I'd never say something like "I wish a man would win", or "a man deserves to win". I hope I'd never say it the other way around either.

I admit I can't understand why anyone would decide their beliefs about how someone is playing based on gender.

Niceguy

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the jury will look at Danielle's tactics as, 'never willing to sacrifice, never willing to risk, use whoever, whenever and never take a chance on being nominated.' I don't think this game is so unique from other games that the jury will recognize that as the highest form of gamesmanship.

Safe won't get the big prize.

Tunape

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The ultimate deception: Jason wins and announces that he is not a virgin and not that religious (although does have beliefs and tries as many of us do to follow them). Danielle comes in 2nd.

I thought Jason said earlier that he had never exceeded the highway speed when driving, but lately admits to several accidents and speeding at least 100+ (no ticket for it though). I'm sure that other things may also surface in these final days. He and Danielle did play a great game (except the frequent bashing of evicted houseguests)!

I am glad that Amy has at least won some substantial prizes, since she really took a lot from most of the house guests. Without everyone being negative about her drinking, she seemed to handle it very well last night.

Lisa is trying to play the game, but is still trying to stay under the radar... perhaps a little too much!

Wcv63

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lance I agree. What a disheartening fact if true. However I am only stating my opinion based on my own observations of both contestant and viewer attitudes from the past.

I think one of the reasons why Colby was called stupid is because Survivor never chose to show Tina strategizing. Perhaps she did luck into her position. But perhaps she was instrumental in getting Colby and herself into the final position. We will never know.

I have never picked my favorites based on gender. Last year I was rooting for Nicole/Hardy. The year prior to that I was hoping for a Curtis/Eddie finale.

Punkin

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was brought up with parents that were always telling me "It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game." Well, we all know that's not quite true...it does matter whether you win or lose. I like to still believe the part of "It's how you play the game" holds true. To me, it's the difference between winning with class and winning by being tacky. That's all.

Stingerman

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's very simple just do the math

Danni in the final 2

Marcellas = no
Roddy = no
Chiara = no
Gerry = no
Eric = no
Tonya = no

These 6 are sure no votes already stated in chat's and interviews.

Josh = Maybe (who he hell knows with him)
Lori = Maybe (Mother factor)
Lisa = Maybe (if Jason wins HOH and boots H)
Jason = Yes (if Lisa wins HOH and boots him)
Amy = Maybe (Probably no after exit)

There is no way in the world that Danni can win the half million.!!! NON WATHSOEVER!!!!!!!!