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Cathie

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lance, it just struck me as interesting that it seemed greatly reduced since Marc left. Was he the one responsible for starting most of it in the past? Not excusing those who participated, just curious...

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thinking back to the past, I have only two things to go by--the LFP and remebering what's been on the board. I don't have the live feeds myself, so I msut rely on those two-and admit those are factors that are not the same as having the live feeds right in front of me.

Marc did indeed start his share of the bashing sessions. Often timse with Amy, and for quite awhile there were a lot of people who found them humorous and funny. I never did.

Josh started a lot of them, although almost all of his were about Gerry.

Dani started her fair share as well. They were about most anyone, just as the Marc/Amy efforts.

It seems they have slowed, but not stopped. I find that unfortunate, because any of these people could have competed in this game without turning it to the personal side--they chose not to.

Gouraphik

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
While I agree that most, if not all of the HG's have bashed at one time or another, Marcellas turned bashing into an art form.

His style was loaded with vivid, vicious imagery. Danielle may have rich imagery, too (the "devil" mantra), but she was more of an artisan who was skilled at the craft of bashing. Marcellas, however, was a bonafide artist, who took the genre to a different level...aesthetically speaking. It was an ugly, dark aesthetic, but also somewhat impressive and awe-inspiring (as in, "aw, why did he go and say THAT for?" LOL). Marcellas was the Michelangelo (Marcellangelo?) of bashing this year...for good or for ill (and I'd venture to guess the latter:)).

Ok...that's it for this lecture on "The Art of Bashing in BB3". Back to strategic analysis for me! :)

Gina8642

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Personally I have found Dani's bashing to be the most vicious and cruel of all the HGs, especially her bathroom exhibition when she was going off on Amy for 'flashing' Jason, something Jason says he never even noticed. It is the most disgusting example of human behavior I've seen on the BB feeds. If I had a vote, that exhibition alone would lose Dani my vote - that is how disgusting I thought it was.

Marcellas comes in second in the bashing. He too could be very vicious and cruel. And like Dani he frequently targeted people who he was very nice to in person. This type of bashing seems worse to me. I see it as two faced and hypocritical.

There is no person from this season who is innocent of bashing but these two stick in my mind as being several levels worse than any of the others.

(Actually I have no idea 'bout Lori I didn't watch the first week).

Wendo

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 04:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think several of them have been equally bad. However, Lisa's "pedophile" comment about Gerry was, by far, the worst attack this season. Mar, Dani and Amy's comments don't even come close.

Bohica

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Didn't Marcellas say that he wished that Gerry would have a stroke and die? How can you say that doesn't come close to Lisa's comment?

Krossd

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I found the converstation fairly close to most of what I was seeing on the threads. I think there was a bit of a slip with Amy's telling of her conversations with Josh (once she knew she was leaving 7-0) about shaking things up. Lisa even looked over to Dani to see if Dani may have been thinking what she was. Amy caughht herself, stumbled, and quickly regained. Dani did a bit of investigating (it was a 3 hr conv.) and there was a general and heartfelt sharing. I was most intriged by the story each told about how they saw this 'change' that happened when Roddy was near... I'm going to the LF's to see if one of the good,quick typists there caught it, and hoping so.

I thought it wasn't bashing, but how they have experienced the game.

Eden

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The Josh Nazi tirades and the Lisa "pedophile" comments were the worst. imo

I guess we could sit here all day an BASH the BASHERS.. Ummm.. What's wrong with this picture? Could it be that WE are no more judgmental than the HGs? Hmmmmmmmmmm.. Sure seems like it.

Crossfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No, defending decency by pointing out wrongs when they occur is not equivalent.

I bet BB4 guests behave themselves a bit more than this years did, especially if Danielle gets to the end, and loses.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I take the outrageous and patently false, and only once or twice said statements (Like Lisa's re Gerry and Josh's re Gerry) much less seriously than the on-going, repeated subtle digs Dani gets in on all the HGs. (How many times did she call Roddy the devil compared to how many times did Lisa bring up Gerry reminded her of a pedophile? How many times did Dani bring up Gerry's (supposed) bad hygiene compared to how many times did Josh call G a Nazi.)

I think it is these repeated subtle cruelties and falsehoods that really have the ability to affect HG opinion. (For example: Lisa really had a positive attitude toward Amy after she came back until Dani made her repeated attacks against Amy's morals.)

Once again, I'm going to state that none of the HGs are innocent of bashing. They've all done it. But, IMO, some have been crueler and meaner than others.

Bcandscott

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What continues to irritate me about the things that Dani was saying about various people is that she would take something that MIGHT have happened and turn it into something very very exaggerated that DID happen and then repeat it over and over.

Yes, I think Lisa's comments about Gerry were inexcusable. I also think it is reflective of some deeper issue that Lisa had with an older teacher named Gerry outside of the house and her apparent fear and loathing of certain types of men, etc. I think there may have been some abuse in Lisa's past we are not privvy to. This does NOT excuse her making such horrible unfounded accusations, but it does explain it a bit.

Josh's Nazi comments were VERY offensive to me in that he was using something about his heritage and therefore the heritage of all Jews and a HORROR in their past to play a GAME with someone who had done NOTHING on a level to equate him with NAZI. I find "nazi calling" offensive for the way it diminishes and trivializes something as momentous as the holocaust. But, Josh isn't in the house anymore. If he were still there and had any chance of making the final two, you better believe I would be commenting on his bashing techniques as one of the reasons why he should NOT win.

I can't find it in MY heart to forgive Danielle for her portrayal of Gerry as filthy or her characterizations of Amy as vulgar. NEITHER case was accurate. I don't believe Gerry was that horrid, and I think many of the things they accused him of were things EVERYONE was guilty of. As for her LYING about Amy. Well, yeah, I think lying is a part of the game but this type of personal crucifixion of someone who is so completely trusting....call it whatever you want, it's more "evil" than all the machinations of her "arch nemesis", Roddy.

If I ruled the universe, Dani wouldn't get a penny and would be exposed for what she is on TV, sent home to figure out what it might be like to really be a "GOOD" person.

Wendo

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, Josh called Gerry a Nazi constantly. They only showed it once on the show. But, it was ALL THE TIME on the feeds.

Kristylovesbb

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bcand, I'll co-sign everything you said!

Secretsmile

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 04:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani and Lisa are rewriting Roddy's bio! LOL! They are really going on and on !

C1mag

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 04:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey when is Amy and sugar getting back?

Csnog

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 04:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hopefully after she changes sugars mind about the vote on Thursday.

Ericka1012

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 04:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I bet Amy doesn't even try to change Jason's mind...Amy wants to stay but will not try to change Jason's mind...the only way she could do it is for her to tell him if she wins HOH next week she will take him to the finals...that way he has two people willing to take him to the finals...But his problem is that he needs to convince Dani to let him keep Amy...then if Dani wins HOH she will dump Jason...thinking she can beat Amy in the finals...I think Lisa is the wrong choice for both of them because of the loyalities of the orginal 6...

Mom

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle talks about Roddy every single minute of every day. I think perhaps something about him really bothered her...had nothing to do with the game. Could it be her own...? Oh well.

Trulyscrumtious

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bernie, Letmeinthere, Mak1, Maryk, Earthmother, Bigsister & Bailey...

Thank You & You're Welcome.

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Calico

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gee! You are all bashing Danielle because of her diary room talks? ok now supposedly Jason and Danielle is in the final 2. Jason wins because he is so "nice". Danielle lost because of her diary room confessionals. fast foward to the future. BB4. You betta you will see some arse-kissing in the diary room. is that entertainment? is that their true thoughts?

Costacat

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bcandscott, I am 100% in agreement with you. So I'll cosign right after Kristy!

And I'll add one more thing. I don't like how she's always had other people do her "dirty work" for her. Throwing HOH comps so she wouldn't be the one nominating someone for eviction (although working very hard on the reigning HOH to nominate *her* selections); starting little "rumors" of another HG (such as Gerry or Amy) and then sorta feeding the flames of nastiness; out 'n out lying (such as telling Gerry it's OK to wash his clothes in the kitchen sink and then telling everyone what he's doing as if it's so bad); constantly calling Roddy a devil (even still, and he's not in the running to win any more)... on and on and on.

I've been pretty glad to read that some of the HGs have changed their opinon of her after they've gotten out of the house (Gerry and Roddy for sure).

Finally, I don't think it's necessary to bash a HG continuously and for no reason. It's just bad gamesmanship, and I think it's lousy strategy.

Bcandscott

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 08:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ah, finally, someone else who noticed Dani telling Gerry it was OK to wash stuff in the kitchen sink ( I happened to have the feeds on that morning and SAW her say, oh, OK, that's fine) and then making a HUGE deal about it when they were having a bash session and she ran out of things to say, there was a lull in the bashing and she suddenly brightened (lightbulb went on) and she said "OH and would you believe he's been washing his workout clothes IN THE KITCHEN SINK" and everyone shrieked in horror. How pathetic is it to do that to another human being, game or no game.

Ripley

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope bb has a great twist coming up to keep Amy in the house. Dani and Lisa sure had a great time making fun of Amy last night, DISGUSTING!