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Crazydog

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the evictees should be able to do whatever they want to make their decision. Frankly I think some of them, especially Lori, probably couldn't care less and wouldn't even bother watching. I think last year after they were evicted some of the houseguests said they weren't even following the show because they didn't like anyone left in there.

If they were not allowed to watch tapes or access the internet then that would defeat the purpose. If Danielle had snowed them into thinking she supported them and they came back unaware of that and voted for her to win, that would be a poor result. Part of the game is surviving until the end without making people turn against you. It forces those who want to win to think about the consequences of their actions. Which Danielle obviously did not do.

Breezy

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In order for the game to be played as "perfectly" as possible, I think it would be best if the HGs DID NOT see any video clips at all until the voting process had been completed, and did not fraternize with any evicted HG until after the show.

Initially the BB house experience is based upon a "controlled" environment, no external influences at all. The whole idea of Big Brother is to see who can play the game, make alliances and last the longest based upon their performance and ability to stay in the house.

When a HG is evicted and allowed to see the videos up to that point, the "controlled" environment theory is destroyed, allowing external sources, i.e. other evicted house guest's opinions, videos of DR entries, etc. to influence the voting process.

At that point, an unpopular HG who has successfully played the game, may be evicted based solely upon the actions and words of the evicted houseguests, and viewings of unpopular DR entries.

But, despite my opinion on the BB theory and process, I am personally glad that the BB this year has allowed the evicted HGs to view videos and DR entries. I am strongly hoping that Danielle does not win. With the policy that BB has in force now, I think that that video viewing may be the undoing of Danielle.

Breezy

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Another thought that came to mind...if the evicted HGs are routinely allowed to view DR entries and videos before the final voting has taken place, BB will have inadvertently caused the HGs to not verbalize their true feelings in the DR in the future.

I don't know about you, but part of the entertainment I experience in the show is seeing how the HGs are truly feeling and thinking, and then to see how they subsequently behave. But to allow these sessions to be available to those who will judge them and decide on a future winner, will greatly hinder the "game playing" that we the audience are able to experience.

Eventhough I am not a Danielle fan, her DR entries have been very entertaining, because she has been honest enough to reveal her true thoughts and strategies.

Crazydog

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was the same last year, the evicted houseguests were able to go home and watch tapes and browse the internet. Any houseguest on BB3 should have been aware of this. Some were. Roddy said he was very careful about what he said in the Diary Room. Danielle obviously was not. I agree that Danielle was honest in the DR and it was entertaining, but it's not just the DR entries that have hurt her.

Mygetaway

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it would be pretty hard to try and go back to the beginning of this and see everything you might have missed.
We know that this sight is pretty reliable, and the info is usually correct, but if I were a houseguest who didn't know about this place, how could I be sure I was getting accurate information? When I got out of the house where would I go first? Do they all have computers and internet access? We know that Merritt and Josh didn't.

As for the tapes. I've been trying to tape every show, just in case I wanted to go back and rewatch something. I will have all the shows on 4 8hr tapes. About ½ of them are edited commercial free, but I sometimes missd a word or two coming back. If a family memember or friend did that for them, it would be pretty easy to at least watch all the TV shows.

I agree that to get the whole picture of the true GAME playing they need a balance of all things. They need to see some live feeds, with ACTION on them, they need to read some transcripts, and they need to watch the shows. I think that this is fair.

Breezy

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazydog, you are right about the DR entries not being the only thing that will hurt Danielle.

Spongebob

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Not only should they be permitted to watch tapes, but I would love it if they were able to play some edited video from the shows just before they cast their vote. They could pick out some choice clips that support their vote and it could be played up on the plasma screen for the final two. Think of it as sort of life review...:)

Battlestar

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the evicted HG access to the shows, tapes, live feeds, and the other sites is the 13th HG.

It is an important part of the game and Danielle would be going home with $500,000 if she had remembered this. She completely ignored this or stupidly forgot it, with the goings on in the house being her only game.

Costacat

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Watching the tapes is part of the game. And has been forever. If you don't like that part of the game, why don't you submit a treatment to any of the studios for a different take on BB? One where the HGs are sequestered after they are evicted and so never see or hear anything about the game. And based ONLY ON THEIR experience in the house, vote on who wins.

Slighly sarcastically... good luck with that.

I think Battlestar is right. It *is* the 13th HG, per se, and Danielle WOULD be winning the big bucks (I'm assuming she isn't gonna win against either Lisa or Jason) had she remembered that as Roddy did.

Kellirippa

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
the jury being able to see what went on behind their backs is another layer of the game. They can use the strategy of working the jury through their DR entries. Remember Nicoles (crocodile) tears in every goodbye speech last year. It didn't work, but Roddy was doing a good job of it this year. I think it's an important part of the game, I even think that CBS should provide tapes, not only of the show, but of all DR sessions of the final hg's, unedited. If jury members wished to not view it, so be it. I think not paying attention to what she said about the hg's is going to be Dani's downfall, and that's important to the strategy of the final HOH. JMO

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ducky - "Excellent point sanfranjosh, but a real JURY cannot discuss the case until it has been given to them by the judge, after all testimony and closing arguments. So, according to your analogy, they should be able to view evidence and not discuss amongst themselves until voting night. I agree with whomever pointed out that Rod and Marc shouldn't be lobbying others against Danielle right now."

Good point....but I believe that the BB producers are using their own BB version of what would constitute a "jury". Although it is based somewhat loosely on the actual idea of a "real jury"...the BB jury is not the same as a "real" (in the legal sense) jury.

If they were making is exactly the same, then after the final 2 were left in the house, the jury would THEN be sequestered with all that evidence (the tapes, live feed transcripts, final testimony of the last 2 HG) and then they would debate it and lobby for votes and come to a decision soetime down the line....AND it would have to be unanimous.

The thing is...BB is just *loosely* basing the BB jury on an actual jury. The similarities are defintely there, but unless they want a long drawn out jury deliberation (not very good tv) then they need to "tweak" the process a little and allow the BB "jury" to start their deliberations as early as possible so as to make for an exciting finale. After all....it IS an entertainment show! But since they are using the term "jury" I think that's what it is *based* on.

JMO

Breezy

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Costacat, that is a good suggestion. If I had a specific address..I might do that.

I still feel that having the DR videos available to evicted HGs greatly hinders the entertainment value the TV audience experiences. Knowing they will be viewed, the smart HGs will keep their mouths shut about their thoughts and strategy. They will say just enough to make BB happy, but not enough to provide real drama in the show.

Battlestar

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran---you're right, a 'REAL JURY' would have access to ALL the information.

So the idea that evicted HGs not have access to anything is silly.

Even on Survivor the evicted castaways on the jury have the other evictees to compare notes with.

Breezy

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Costacat, that is a good suggestion. If I had a specific address..I might do that.

I still feel that having the DR videos available to evicted HGs greatly hinders the entertainment value the TV audience experiences. Knowing they will be viewed, the smart HGs will keep their mouths shut about their thoughts and strategy. They will say just enough to make BB happy, but not enough to provide real drama in the show.

Battlestar

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought last year one of the HG said they had no access to the DR tapes except what was shown on TV.....

Ericka1012

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they, the evicted Hg's, should have access to all the tapes Live Feeds, Chat from Us, Broadcasted Shows...and yes DR's (accept for the DR's have to do with personnal matters, like medical problems)...
The point of the show is that THEY the HG's are being watched...the evited Hg's should have that information if they chose so they can make the best choice. Yes some will make it on emotional grounds, some on moral grounds, some just because they don't like that person...BUT that's life in the world of BIG BROTHER...

What I think would be even more interesting is that next year as the HG are evicted that they would each vote in all evictions from that point on...so for example if: Kiki and Roddy were up the first week for eviction and Kiki was voted out from that point on she would have an eviction vote with all the information listed above...(YES, CBS could afford to keep them on stipen and room and board...this is a tv show that make alot of money with viewers and live feeders and AC voters)...THEN BIG BROTHER REALLY WOULD BE WATCHING THEM :)

Earthmother

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's very important that the evicted get to see what was done behind their backs..How else are they to base their decisions on who played the best game in the way the evicted thought it should be played. If they didn't get to see then their vote would be nothing more than who was their buddy inside the house. I thought the whole premis of this game was to play to not only the remaining hgs but also those who were evicted. I don't think it would be much fun at the end if the evil-doers (lol) didn't get caught..