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Texastillie

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do believe that Jason will honor his alliance with Dani and, if he wins HOH, will evict Lisa.

I "think" Dani will stick with Jason but she is worried about the votes, especially after the "bashing" question to Lisa on the internet. She may think that she and Lisa are looking pretty bad and Jason is looking like a saint. Dani wants the money - PERIOD! "Nothing personal, just business." Although I "think" Dani will stay true to Jason, it really would not surprise me if she evicted him if she wins HOH. Her best scenerio would be for Lisa to win HOH.

Lisa must realize that she needs to evict Jason if she wins HOH.

So...Jason had better go after HOH with all his might.

C1mag

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know so many are thinking that dani only see's the 500,000 grand. I honestly don't think she see's that as the connection to victory. I honestly think her goal is the finals and that she is at least assured of 50,000. If she is fortunate to get the big one then that would be a bonus. I know that many see her as this vicious evil entity who just drools over the top prize but I don't. Her goal is to sit in the finals and know that she finished the game and the perk is going home with at least 50,000. I have been listening to her as well and I believe her when she makes it clear that she probably won't get the top prize but in no way does that mean she is a loser. The reality is... If you finish the game you have accomplished the game. No one, not even some sore loser who also trash talked and lied could take that moment away from you. I honestly think she see's Jason and herslef in the finals. Whoever gets what amount will be up to the jury.

Wendo

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, I thought a lot about how some posters think Dani's going to "dump" Jason based on her Survivor Colby comments. (The nice guy winning and Dani's not stupid.) It was questioned that she was indicating that she planned on dumping Jason, or wanted someone else to.

After more consideration, I wonder if Dani was trying to throw LISA off. By that, I mean, give Lisa the impression that Dani would take Lisa if Dani won HOH.

Dunno, thoughts of BB drift through my brain.

Sanfranjoshfan

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Prisoner - "Will that be enough for Jason to rethink who he wants with him in the final two? Would someone as Christian as he is really want someone who would lie to win a game in the final two with him?"

*I* don't think Jason would rethink his promise. I think that Jason "walks the walk" of the beliefs he espouses....so I do not believe that he would find it conscionable to break his word to Dani just because he judges her to be less than honorable in HER promises to others. Jason is a pretty much a "what you see is what you get" kind of guy. Jason's word to Dani is JASON's word and it doesn't depend on whether Dani's actions were honest in regards to her promises to Marcellas...it just depends on whatever Jason had in his heart when he gave his word to Dani.

Bottom line - Jason will keep his word to Dani because, according to the observations that *I* have made on the live feeds, Jason is honest...besides, he can still win even if he takes her the the final 2.

I'm not so positive that Dani will be as honest....her actions on the live feeds have shown me that she cannot always be trusted when she gives her word. I'm not claiming that she WILL betray Jason....and I have seen no evidence that she WILL betray Jason....but I HAVE seen her betray others.

I am not Dani-bashing....I am just comparing the integrity of these two that have made promises to one another as is the intent of this thread, I believe. Personally, if my life depended on one of those two giving me his"word" and if I HAD to depend on one or the other, I would trust Jason in a heartbeat, but I would not even *consider* trusting Dani.

JMO

Closetfan

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with C1. It will be interesting to see what 'reality tv' brings us this week, huh?

C1mag

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thats a thought Wendo. It was either that or she was suggesting to Lisa that if she took Americas sweetheart to the finals she would be a sure bet for the lower amount of money. Maybe some subliminal message to Lisa that if she wants the top money she should think about not taking him. This way she couldn't exactly say she had campaigned against Jason if Lisa won and did the final pick. She simply put a bug in her ear so to speak. What ever Lisa chose would be her choice. It's a smart move. Almost damage control in a way.

I really have come to the conclusion that if Dani gets hoh she will take him all the way. In some ways it almost protects her from hearing any backlash. He would be a shield if they wanted to dock her for the top prize based on what they called dirty play. They could just vote for him and no one would complain. She wouldn't have to campaign that hard for herslef and they wouldn't mind at all. It would also make better since for him to get the majority of the votes based on the nice guy image so that she isnt hurt to much if it were someone like Amy who beat her. I just think she has resigned herself to being in that finals with him at this point and the fact that she made it to the end and she goes home with 50k. I admire her so much for playing this game the way she did. She made some mistakes but she actually controled this game without holding hoh. She not only protected herself but the guy she had an alliance with. There is no way she will taint that one thing in the end.

Closetfan

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree again, C1. Dani 'could' subtley convince Lisa to take her with her vs. Jason as J is so unbeatable...but if D has the power...I think she will honor the alliance. And I haven't liked everything Dani's done/said (but I'm not so sure I was always loveable this week either and I'm not watched 24/7), but I do respect how well she's played the game...in my opinion...she is the one who MOST 'played' the game. I'd like J to be #1, D to be #2 and L #3 and A #4 based on what they have 'invested' personally and sacrifically (e.g. bashing/not bashing, being under the radar, shielded by an 'group', or in Mexico). :-)

C1mag

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SanFran I know you are not Dani bashing but I really believe Dani is a woman you would want as a friend. Remember in this game her first alliance was too Jason. She also was aligned with Marc but he betrayed her early on and from that point on could no longer trust him. He was playing her so she played him. It was a very smart move on her part and very perceptive.

If you think about her actions she has protected Jason all the way and did the same for marcellus when he was put up with Amy. Jason would have been toast weeks ago. She literally begged both Gerry and Amy to keep him off the block. She didn't have to do that at all. She wasn't a target for nomination and yet she put her neck out there for him coming across as a control freak which puts a label on her as the bad player.

This past week she did the dirty work to make sure that Marc would not use that veto and then on national tv stepped up and evicted the man. Again willing to look like the bad guy.

I really believe she loves Marcellus but within this game early on she found out that Marc could not be trusted and since Jason feared Marcellus would target him she knew it was time for him to go within the game. Thats loyalty. Thats the type of friend I would want. She knows in the process she lost yet another vote for the top amount of money because Marcellus would never admit that he had betrayed her early on and had every intention of evicting her or Jason. Her moves within the game have not been bitter moves they have been game moves. Her goal is to get her and her guy to the end. If you really thought about it you'd want this type of loyal friend. If not her friendship you would want to be on her team. You'd get much further in the game and she would even be willing to look like the bad guy on your behalf giving you a better chance at the larger amount of money if you both make it to the end.

Wendo

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmm, I don't think Dani broke any promises or betrayed anyone until they broke their trust with her first. And, like C1mag, I would be her friend as well. She looks after the people who've been loyal and honest to her. In fact, of the evicted HG's, who could claim they've betrayed by Dani? Seriously.

C1mag

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did ya hear what Dani just said? She knows she has probably made enemies with the jury memebers, but she had a goal. If they don't want to give her the larger money then so be it. She did what she thought she had to do. She may not be in the house right now if she had played it differently. I like her more each time I hear her because I have understood her all along. She just wants to get to the finish line.

In this game you were toast if you just sat back and the way she played she controled her destiny and when she knew it was time to get rid of a person she had to do it. Roddy had to go in order for her to stay and she knew it. Calling him the devil wasn't the brightest Idea but Marcellus opened the door to bash him long before the devil comments were made.

If you had to trash talk to be a part then reluctantly she did it and hates herself for it. The irony in that is the fact that she still sits in there feeling bad and the ones that are out and who have done the same thing still won't admit to that type of play.

No she is not sucking up. She keeps saying they don't have to give her the top prize she will understand. She doesn't give one reason why they should hand her the top amount. That would be sucking up with a purpose. If she gets to the end she at least made it to the end and this was the only way she could make it. No one will be giving her 50,000. She will have EARNED it. I dig her!

Wcv63

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good post C1mag.

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She won't be winning the top prize. But I do like her. And, I must admit...........Excellent post C1Mag.

Wendo

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Agreed C1mag. Excellent post.

Sanfranjoshfan

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag - I gotta disagree with your choice of words..."I really believe Dani is a woman you would want as a friend"

I would not "want her as a friend". I just plain don't trust her. I also would not want to spend time with a person that does so much judgemental trash talking. I also would not want to invest my time and effort in someone that believes I am inferior to her because I do not believe in her religion.

I will admit that I do respect loyalty in friends and I would respect loyalty in team members in a cutthroat strategy game like BB....but I would much prefer Jason's or Roddy's loyalty over Dani's....mainly because I would not know whether I could trust her loyalty or not. Jason trusts it because Jason is a trusting soul. Marcellas and Roddy both trusted it and they are both gone. Jason has lucked out because out of all the HGs that had deals with Dani, Jason is the only one she hasn't betrayed yet.

The problem is....I couldn't have the loyal part without all the other parts that I don't want in my friends or in my life. And there is something about her that simply makes me NOT trust her. Maybe it's just how she can always find a loophole to retract her "word" when she wants. She may very well be an extremely loyal friend to the bitter end....but that does me no good if I am always suspicious of it.

I suppose my distrust of Dani is just an emotional, gut feeling.

JMO

Wendo

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Want to add. Your second to last line, she wants to earn the money. And, if she doesn't get the top prize (we all are realistic here, 99% she won't), she'll be fine with it because she realizes that she didn't earn it. Period.

I like her more and more everyday too.

Also, I thought her talk with Amy at the kitchen table was so nice. I do think Dani cares deeply for her.

Texastillie

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have said all along that Dani has played the game the best and, IMO, should win the $500K.

I think that saying things to make players dislike each other can be strategy.

That said, I do not believe that Danielle bashed/made fun of the other HGs for strategy - it was VERY ugly.

Dani has completely protected Jason throughout the game and brought him along with her -- and now we are at the finish line.

Danielle has been upfront about her motives in the game - she wants the money for her family. That is not an evil goal just because it isn't spiritual. She wants the money for her family.

I'm sure Dani loves Jason (and Lisa, too). But I don't think this is about her feelings for them.

She has taken Jason to the finish line. She could go either way now (Jason or Lisa) and I would understand. She has played a great game and I hope she wins first place.

Wendo

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting, your feelings about Dani are my feelings about Roddy. All his "loyal" friends in the house were gone before him, often times because he did nothing to protect them.

I would have difficulty being friends with BB Roddy because I would always be wondering if his trust was sincere.

edited to add...Marcellas would have had Dani's loyalty had he not betrayed it many weeks ago.

C1mag

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can appreciate your response because how you feel about Dani I feel about Roddy. However, I would hope he has so much more substance then what he showed on the show.

I still think you have totally misinterpreted her. As a strong and competitive woman she is an easy target. They have all been judgemental. Not just her. I'm not so sure about that religious inferiority thing. That was Gerrys thing. In fact it was Roddys thing as well. He made some negative comment about christians early on, but damn her if she countered how she fealt about someone who didn't believe in God.

Again I do understand your feelings about Dani just a bit surprised at the reasons why. I feel they are unfounded but for you they are real and that is cool.

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Roddy and Dani are really 1 in the same--they just played the game a "bit" differently.

C1mag

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo I don't think that Dani feels she wouldn't have EARNED the top amount if they don't actually give it to her, I think she will walk away thinking she earned the right to be called one of the winners no matter what amount she recieves. If she goes to the finals both her and the other person will have automatically earned 50,000 dollars. If the jury wants to give them a bonus of 450,000 then what a cool bonus that would be. I hope that made since. I don't think that her not taking the larger amount is gonna convince her she didn't earn it. I think it will be understandable to her. Now ask Marcellus which he thinks he should have got and although he pulverized Gerry and Tonya he still feels he should have taken it all. Go figure that one.

Meggieprice

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SanFran, I disagree that Roddy trusted Dani's loyalty. He never had any reason to expect her loyalty. He is not out of the game because he did trust it mistakenly. There was never an agreement between them that was not kept.

Marc did trust her loyalty, somewhat. I think he definitely trusted her ability to get him to the end but he made a wild zig zag away from her trust in him mid game. His swing to Roddy, for one thing-and the betrayal of confidences that came back to Dani, and the famous night before the Roddy/Chia vote when it was his realization that they needed to get Dani out(his words to Amy at 4:30am) that caused him to swing Amy back to interfering in the morning. He lost her trust in him and there went his chances with her.If he had not made so many big tactical errors like that Dani and Jason might not have turned to LiLi as their third. (I am not certain of that because I do think Dani really had to maneuver to keep Lisa and Marc voting with her and Jason)

I think that if you really look at the game Marcellas was the only person that Dani broke trust with.

Wendo

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, yes, I understand and I agree. Thanks!

Meggie, agreed. Roddy had no expectation of trust from Dani nor did she of him. He never gave her his trust, so why should she give him hers. (Remember, he was part of the six.)

I agree that Dani broke trust with Marcellas, but only when he broke the trust first.

Meggieprice

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Definitely Wendo. I remember wincing and doing some talking to my computer when I saw Marc blunder and blow it with her. I knew he was done.

C1mag

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 12:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What was even sadder was the moment Dani realized he had given her and jasons game away. She was sitting alone and she just kept saying... Oh marcellus what have you done?
She knew from there on out she could no longer trust him. It was sorta sad.

Eden

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 01:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle genuinely cared for Marcellas. This portrait of Danielle as heartless has been unfounded, to my perception.

Marcellas abdicated his place as 3rd when he betrayed Danielle with Roddy. He wanted to deny it, but all he had said to Roddy went before him. Danielle knew what had happened.

Danielle has not been punitive unless betrayed or threatened. I think if Gerry had ever allowed himself the vulnerability to be HONEST with Danielle, to show how he supported her, she might have chosen HIM as her THIRD ally. Lisa's best move was never having a strategy of her own. It made her allegiance easier to give since she had no game-plan. Now, people think just because Lisa is there she is worthy of the top prize. I couldn't disagree more. I would rather see Amy take the money than Lisa, whom I see to be the least worthy of them all.