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Sbw

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Anybody can say Dani played a more aggressive game and should win, BUT the HGs are not given a list of criteria the winner should achieve. They are just told to vote. What one person thinks is the perfect thing to do may not be what the ousted HGs consider. I am sure a lot of them doi not like having their personal lives trashed. It will be interesting to see if Dani and Jason are in the end who Marc will vote for. Dani is the one that wanted him out the most.....but Jason actually evicted him.

Stingerman

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sbw Marcellas already stated that he wouldn't vote for Danni if she was in the final 2!!!

Wendo

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 04:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Also, though, one has to consider the final 2's last argument. There's really just no way to know for sure. While some evicted HG's may firmly say now, NO WAY WILL I VOTE DANIELLE, if her final argument is convincing and she satisfies their questions, she could get some votes.

If Dani gets to the final two, it'll definitely be the hardest for her to win. Where Lisa and Ja won't really have to explain away anything, Dani will have to earn the jury's respect back. It's certainly an uphill battle, but not impossible. There is a remote possibility...but it is remote.

Sbw

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 04:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Stingerman, I missed that. I had heard he would vote for Lisa, but I didn't know about against Jason. Marc and Lisa got together just a few days too late. :(

Guess I better go to the Out of the House section and do some reading!

Niceguy

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 06:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
'never willing to sacrifice, never willing to risk, use whoever, whenever and never take a chance on being nominated.'

Safe won't get the big prize.

After seeing the luxury comp it confirmed the above statement. She remarked,"her momma didn't raise no fools," but she shouldn't blame her mom for her lack of foresight to hold out for the better offer and not settle for 5 grand. When she loses she goes into blame and accusation mode. She needed to know who outwitted her and it was her true nemesis: Amy.

The only way she can win is if she can connive or degrade. There's more to the game than that.

She won't win this game.

Bkmac

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani is clearly the best strategist in the house, and certainly isn't evil or nasty or any of the other silly things Dani-bashers try to dream up.

That said she screwed up in one major way- she completely let her guard down in the diary room. She should have kept up the fake nicies like Roddy or Jason instead of actually being honest. Her act in the house has been impeccible but her lack of an act in the DR will cost her the game.

My "prophecy" is that Amy goes this week then BB will try again to remove some predictability by making the last HOH game one that favors Lisa. Lisa will win and is astute enough to know Jason is tougher competition on judgment night than Dani- therefor she evicts Jason.

Dani vs. Lisa in front of the jury nets a Lisa win. Dani will be satisfied with the 50K- its one heckuva down payment on a house afterall, but she will feel bad Jason wasn't sitting there with her. We the viewers will find Lisa to be a gracious and spirited winner and will feel good all around because the mom figure walks away happy, the young spunky girl in the cute bathing suit walks away happy, Jason will no doubt be all hugs and smiles for both ladies and walks away happy, and we'll get to see Roddy pout again. So sayeth the bkmac.

Wcv63

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 07:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bkmac...how does one slant a contest in Lisa's favor? Make it a bartending contest? I can't think of one area where Lisa would have an obvious advantage.

Bkmac

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 07:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe they'll have a teeny tiny pipe and whoever can fit in it and crawl through to the other side wins....

Punkin

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 07:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFL Bkmac

Woodpecke®

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 07:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa's refusal to take any money in the Luxury competition was amazing. $15,000 and she said no. She instantly became a factor with the jury and with many of the viewers. The most selfless act in 3 years of watching this show. She was sincere. I am very impressed.

Woodpecke®

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 07:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If you count Lisa out of this game you are making a huge mistake.

Kathyb

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 07:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Every time someone makes the observation that there is a double standard when it comes to these reality shows, many people rise up in indignation. I don't think people realize their own biases sometimes. Behavior that they excuse in men (Will, Roddy, Richard Hatch) they deplore in women. I wonder what woman in any of the BBs would the majority of viewers have supported winning? They will say Sheryl, but she was only there for a short time. The majority hated Brittany, Karen, Jamie, Krista, Shannon, Nicole, Autumn, Chiara, and Danielle. They don't seem to hate Lisa - she's very quiet, non-aggressive and "ladylike". She has not played at all aggressively. Except for her one bold move of not voting Eric back in, she has done nothing of note. She relies on others to tell her what to do. Nor do they seem to hate Amy who has not played the game at all. I would love to hear someone make a case for any of the women on BBs 1,2 or 3 deserving to win the whole shebang.

What555456

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa's ONLY hope is to win HOH next week. If she does, she is obviously one of the final 2. But she will be up against both Dani and Jason in the competition.

Assuming that it is a competition that does not favor one over the other two, she likely will not win. She does not do well in the competitions.

However, this is an assumption I am not prepared to make since i think most of the HOH comps have been set up to favor one HG or another. BB may want to stay out of it now, so it does not appear they chose the Final 2, but I would not bet on it because I think BB wants to make sure it presents the best final show it can -- and will skew the compeition to hopefully get what they feel will generate the ratings.


No, I would not count her out of the game -- but I see only one way for her to get in the Final 2. Winning a comp designed to favor her skills.

What555456

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
KathyB, many of us have made the case for Dani to win -- specifically because of her agressive, strategic and hard ball playing skills. Those are generally not considered "feminine" attributes. But I and many others on here have commented on them, have been impressed by them and feel that she clearly deserves to win.

Kathyb

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What, I didn't say everyone, I said some. I know there are some staunch Dani supporters here. But it seems to me that the majority of posters do not like Dani and don't think she deserves to win. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my sense.

Niceguy

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Brittany was fine and she could have gone further under the new rules.
Jamie would have been alright as well.
Krista could be annoying but not downright nauseating.
Shannon was cunning but not smooth enough.
Nicole...too desperate.
Autumn...in over her head.
Chiara too trusting and too smug.
Karen...see Nicole.

I find it interesting that you omitted Monica. Monica is the one female player so far that I truly believe deserved a better deal. She was womanly AND aggressive.

I omitted Cassandra because she wasn't playing a bare-knuckle game either.

Niceguy

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jordan would've been well suited to the newer rules as well.

Kathyb

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I disagree about Monica. I don't see that she played the game at all. She sat there and played cards and uttered catch-words. She barely contained her anger most of the time. I don't remember a single strategic move she made. It's interesting that you would consider her a good player.

Niceguy

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do. Sometimes the best move is no move at all. She was in the Final 3.

Niceguy

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That contained 'anger' was well directed energy.

She seemed like a Aikido master in some ways.

Woodpecke®

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If I was sitting on the jury and saw Lisa refuse $15,000 because of her loyalty to the other players, she would get my vote in a heartbeat. I have rooted for Jason this entire game. I have enjoyed Danielle and had no problem with her getting to the final two. Lisa declared boldly what this experience on this show really meant to her. I thought when I was posting this I may have been a bit excited, but I quickly decided that was an error. The one player in this game who defines honesty is Lisa.

Kathyb

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So let me get this straight: the best way for a woman to win BB is to not make any moves? Just sit there and hope for the best? Monica did get very close to the final 2, that's true. Maybe that is the best strategy for a woman if she wants to win.

Lizardsamongus

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Recently we had a thread which said, use 2 words to describe Danielle. My 2 words were runner up. She can't win and I don't think she knows it. Jason has refused to badmouth evictees. Danielle calling Roddy the devil was way overdone. I hope Lisa wins the next competition and takes Jason. Jason unfortunately looks bad by his association with Danielle. Danielle's strategy has been excellent but she lost the game in the diary room. The only definite vote I can see for Danielle is Amy.

What555456

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker

I saw that and my thought was --what a fool! This has nothing to do with friendship of everyone. It has to do with winning. Why does she not get this simple concept?

Niceguy

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Will didn't do a whole lot either. He didn't run around like a mad rhino telling people how to vote.

Monica directed her energy better in not appearing threatening and focusing on the endgame. She would've been far more respected than either Will or Nicole. Will new that instantly when he won HoH that's why he dumped her.