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Breezy

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Early on I liked Dani, but have become disllusioned with her as many have in recent days. One thing that amazes me is that she seems to have a different opinion of herself than others do who watch her behavior. She comments on how trust is such an important factor in the house, and yet she routinely betrays the HGs behind their backs. She mentions that she is a kind person and never name calls or mocks people. The tapes of her ridiculing Amy prove otherwise.

Also knowing that she comes from a religious family, with her father being a preacher, I am amazed that she has progressed to this inferior level, used the most horrific language, and participated in slander and verbal abuse of fellow HGs. Was she never corrected at home? How could they have ignored her obvious problems? I feel so badly for her family now, knowing that they will face a lot of criticism for how she has portrayed Christians in general. I feel sorry for her children and the poor role model that she has exhibited for them nationwide.

Even more puzzling to me is the fact that she has a alliance with Jason, one of the kindest, loving and truly Christian guys you will meet. He has, for the most part, been a good example of how a Christian should behave. Why hasn't she benefited from his example?

One thing I noticed on the written feeds today: Amy was saying that she is worried about the effect that some of the things she has said will affect people. Dani says that she is not at all worried, because that is the REAL her (paraphrased). I think she will be SHOCKED to see the level of criticism that is being directed toward her. I honestly think she doesn't have a clue about areas that need to be changed in her life.

Wendo

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ppurr, Dani's bulging eyes are a result of a thyroid condition. She mentioned yesterday that she takes thyroid replacement. It's a physical disorder that she has no control over.

Cassie

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 08:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I found it amusing tonight on the show to see how jealous "Devilwoman" became when Jason was complimenting Lisa. She looked like she wanted to scratch someone's eyes out. Yowza! And before all the RABID Dani fans jump in for the attack--I don't care!! Don't like her one bit and nothing you say will change that :)

C1mag

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 08:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cass What would she be jealous of? Someones lookin at things that just aren't there...

I'm surprised you didn't mention the part where she floated above all the others and gave them the finger and yelled, "The money is mine" bwahahahahaha!!

Avrey258

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cassie,
I've heard Danielle tell Lisa many times how beautiful she is, so I don't really get your point. I thought Dani was reacting to the flirting between Lisa and Jason, not in a jealous way but a curious way.

And by the way, calling a woman you really know nothing about a Devilwoman says alot about who you are, more that anything else.

Lynnann

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My take on Dani is- I am not going to down her for leaving her children for 3 momths- come on people, I'm sure they are well taken care of,she is doing this for them and men do this all the time. I really hate double standards. However ,Dani has a few double standards of her own. She goes on and on about Tonya, yet she herself got pregnant at 16 and ran away from home? I did not like Tonya either but I would never be petty enough to bring up her morals or Chiara's either. It was they way they treated and made fun of people- that is as low as it gets in my book. Jesus Christ himself went to the woman at the well when none of the other women would speak to her. What does that tell you? Dani is a mean person- far worse than even imorality imo. I also think Lisa is the same way and I think the show tonight proved it with the two of them once again imitating and making fun of Amy. I know Amy has bashed with Marc but for the most part it was of people who had already raked her over the coals. Dani is the one who has many life lessons to learn and I hope she does.

Mom

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Me too Ppurr. Bashing evictees (and Amy too, with her still in the house), seems to be Danielle's favorite thing to do. When she and Lisa were alone in the house last weekend, she took that opportunity to have yet another bash fest. Never misses an opportunity. (Although she does seem to keep it all very low-key when Jason is around.)

Lisa asked her today, "Have I done something to upset you?...You've been acting a little different lately." Dani offers up some excuse. Fact is, she hasn't been the same with Lisa since Lisa reported to her that she'd said on the internet that she found Dani intimidating. She (Dani)'s been worried about that ever since.

Since Roddy's eviction and the major-league bash-fest that followed for days after, Danielle has started rethinking her DR entries, and what the evictees are thinking. There was a lot of talk a few days after Roddy left (Marcellas, Dani, etc) about keeping quiet about the evictees from now on, not saying their names out loud anymore. (It has quieted down slightly, but she really doesn't seem to be able to quite put a lid on it). She seems very very worried to me, since she realized the evicted hgs are watching and judging. Much quieter these days (although she does perk up when she and Jason talk about getting to the final two).

When they were watching clips tonight, did you guys see her when Roddy came on? "OK Girls! Devil (pointy horns)!" (ed. ENOUGH with the devil horns!)

She did not seem to enjoy these clips. I think she's beginning to realize the money is bye-bye.

And...I've seen these threads somewhere...she NEEDS the money????? (There was a time when most of the hgs were talking about that.) And she can afford implants?

I think she's worrying worrying worrying these days. Knows Jason will win against her. I will be really disappointed if she gets $50K.

Mom

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She is evil.

Jeeny98

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't understand. Most of the people criticizing the things Dani has/is doing, are doing the thing. Judging others when you don't know the whole story. Or as if you live a pure life and have done nothing wrong. It's the worse critics who feel and have done more wrong, than the other way. I hate to do this, but as Gerry said, (too bad he spoiled it) Those without sin, cast the first stone. ANYWAY! This is a game.

Dani was a child at 16, it just so happened that she got pregnant. She was immature, and not to be judged for THAT behavior as if she were an adult at 16. She was a child. There are a lot of 16 yr olds having sex, just not all of them get pregnant, or worse, have an abortion.

At least she married the man that was the father of her child. And has been with him every since. That's GOT to say something. Not many, in that situation can.

Tonya is 35 years old. A mature (supposedly) woman. Her children are young, so she had them when she was a lot older than Dani.

Wendo

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mom, both Lisa and Dani were ragging a bit on Amy on tonight's show. How interesting that you only point it out for Dani though. They both participated. Plus, Lisa has done it in the past. None of the HG's have clean hands with respect to the trash talking.

And Lynnann, Amy and Mar's bash sessions were quite harsh, and not just against people she "thought" ragged her first. (The Gerry bash fest in the hammock comes to mind.) Heck, just a bit ago, she bashed Chiara...again.

Also, as far as Dani's comments about Tonya, Tonya told Dani and Chi one day that she was high on coke the five times she became pregnant. That's why she had "issues" with Tonya. (Frankly, I think it's pretty sad that she was on coke while pregnant.)

Yes there's been trash talking. It's been the theme this year. And Dani is not the only HG this year to partake in it. THEY ALL HAVE.

IMO, Marcellas was the worst, for gosh sakes, he wished that Gerry would trip, fall, and have a stroke.

Cassie

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Avery258 <And by the way, calling a woman you really know nothing about a Devilwoman says
alot about who you are, more that anything else.>

So Avery, by your very flawed reasoning, what does ALL Dani's name-calling of Roddy (Devil, Lucifer, etc.)say about her? And what about all the vicious cut-ups she's done and comments she's made about ALL the HG's? What do THOSE say about her? I think calling her Devilwoman is being KIND. And BTW, I know as much about Dani as you do...so what does your salivating adoration and rabid attacks on posters (posting in the correct file, I might add) say about you???? I could elaborate but in the interest of good taste, I'll decline and leave it up to your imagination (if you have one!)

Lynnann

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Marc was the worst, I think most of us would say that and I would also agree about Lisa's behavior. Let tonight's show speak for itself for Dani and Lisa.

Cassie

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<I will be really disappointed if she gets $50K.>

Look at it this way, MOM. She'll be losing $450,000. <grin>

Dagny

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think I have to stand behind Cassie...and support her decision to call Dani a devilwoman. I think her reasoning is substantiated..

Onlyhuman

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, to me it's not just the trash talking. It's the fact that she will be all nice to that person's face and the minute they leave the room, she starts in, like she's just been holding it in.

Believe me, I understand that they all trash talk. I understand that people in real life trash talk. But Danielle just seems to be waiting every minute for it.

The talking about the people and what they did in the house doesn't bug me so much. It's just that the minute someone's back is turned, Danielle seems to be talking about them.

I'm trying really hard with Danielle. I like that she is an intelligent, strong woman who can relate to people in many different ways. But I also find her overbearing, self-righteous, and just plain mean. And it's frustrating, because I think those traits, in this house, overshadow her more positive ones.

Cassie

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Dagny!

Jeeny98

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cassie, what Dani's name calling says about her is that she needs to work on that. That she is not perfect. She has things to work on. Doesn't make her evil. But, I agree it makes her look bad.

I don't agree with her bash talking, but I'm rooting for her to win. I like her. I just think she may be a little immature and insecure that causes her to concentrate on other's imperfections. Also, this being a game, it is stressful, and it could be that is her way (I'm not agreeing with it) of making it easier on her to evict people that she's helped kick out of the house. She's all keyed up, being so close to the end. She did say, she's not one to take risks.

That does not mean she's never TAKEN a risk before, it could be that she's learned to not take big risks somehow, in her life.

Jeeny98

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So, Cassie can call someone a name, and it's okay, but Dani cannot? Do you not see the double standards in yourselves?

Cassie

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Jeeny98, as your personal quote is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" you must agree that Dani is begging for some nasty comments, no? Let's not talk about double standards, huh?

Dagny

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 09:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For all of you who think Dani has just done a "little name calling" I disagree. We all watched Roddy degrade Amy...and sat speachless (well not really...we all had a lot to say about that)

I want you all to think about the effect Dani's words will have on Amy when she leaves the house. Amy will be crushed. At least Amy was able to see through Roddy...but Amy is being "yanked" even more by Dani...and Amy has no idea. Think of the emotional harm Dani will do to Amy. Think of the emotional harm Dani has done to Gerry, Chi, Marc., Roddy, Tonya...and I am sure more of them feel that way.

The problem with Dani...is she doesn't just diss people...she backs it up with the "word of God"...and some people believe that Dani is a good person...and will believe all the trash talk she does.

The same could go for Jason...he is suppose to be a "christian" so people would tend to put more "faith" in his word. He wouldn't lie...he wouldn't embelish...ect. So alot of people put alot of stock in Jason opinion...warranted or not.

"Opposite"...Amy and Marc...they trash talked all the time about Tonya...but no one took it seriously.. (just gossip queens) And while I will admit Tonya could be hurt by Amy's words...it's nothing that Tonya already said about herself...and for the most part the same for Chi.

Cassie

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dagny I couldn't agree with your post more. You have put it so succinctly. When I watch Amy respond to Dani, and tell her so sincerely "Oh, I love you too, Dani" (after she's been stroked up and played by the Devilwoman, of course) I can't help but think how crushed she'll be when she sees some of the vicious ways she's been degraded by that woman. Especially knowing how hard it has always been for Amy to reach a point of trust in anyone. I just can't conceive how ANYONE with a shred of decency in them can do that to another person. She's disgraceful. Masquerading as the "mother hen" but all the while setting the course for some really serious damage. No, I don't think calling her "Devilwoman" is too harsh.

Lynnann

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dag- thank you so much for that post. You said what I tried to say. I can over look someones' immorality because unless it affects me directly it is really none of my business. But someone acting like Dani affects peoples' soul. This is a painful and horrible way to behave. I firmly believe it is behavior like Dani's that results in a lot of school shootings by students who have been"trashed" one too many times. You can change immoral behavior but hurting someone's soul may not be that easy to undo.

Dagny

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Cassie...I had meant to explain why Amy will be crushed when she does see everything Dani said about her. I think you pointed that out.. Here are a few examples.

1. Amy is worried about her weight. (wait till she hears what Dani thought about her "weight gain")

2. When Amy finally reads about Dani talking about her spreading her legs for Jason to see..

3. When Amy finally finds out why Dani changed her mind about evicting Chi. (remember Marc. warned her what would happen if she didn't keep her word to Amy?)

There are more...someone help me out.

Bottom line, Amy trusted Dani without borders...and she is going to be crushed. Chi had to be crushed to when "Dani kept her word" -(I vote to evict Roddy...but Jason..Lisa...etc...you vote to evict Chi.)

Sanfranjoshfan

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellas was a really nasty trash talker, too...and maybe he WAS worse than Danielle....but so what? Using that as a defense for Dani is like defending the Boston Strangler by saying Ted Bundy was worse. Before anyone freaks out, let me say that I am not claiming that either Dani or Marce are as bad as actual serial killers....I'm just making the point that if one believes "A" to be a nastier and more hateful trash talker than "B"....that doesn't lessen the offensiveness of "B's" actions in any way.

As far as the folks complaining about people "judging" Dani....Isn't this thread about people's OPINIONS of Danielle? Is it even possible to form an "opinion" without making a "judgement" call?

Yes, I am judging Dani...just as *everyone* here that has ANY opinion of her is. My judgement of the behavior I have seen from her is simply less favorable than some others'. That's just the way I see it.

JMO

Cassie - great point! "Winning 50k" vs "Losing 450k"...a valid distinction that should ease the pain for some of us seeing her in the finals! LOL :)

Cassie

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lynnann hit the nail...Roddy might have a crushed ego about all the devil crap and the childish (and overdone) finger wiggling stuff, but the personal comments about Gerry must hurt in a deep place, and what she's doing to Amy could be soul destroying. How can one as insecure as Amy, yet honest enough to admit her difficulties in trusting, live through such a betrayal (on national tv for all to see, no less) and come out the other end stronger and healthier? I think it will have a long-lasting and very detrimental affect on her. I truly feel very sorry for that girl. What Dani is doing to her is very cruel. She is so self-serving at ANYONE's expense.