Archive through September 19, 2002
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Archive through September 19, 2002
Maryk | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 08:14 am     I probably will be do the same thing as Twiggyish. I will be diplomatic. As I said before, I have little problems with her lying, manipulating, and backstabbing to win the game but I have big problems with her behavior that are not really game-related. You don't have to do character assasinations and personal attacks to play the game. You don't have to be a hypocrite to play the game. Bashing evicted houseguests is something that is not necessary to play the game. |
Itsallgood | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 08:22 am     I would absolutely say everything that I've said here. I don't like what she said about the other HG on their situations OUTSIDE the house, in some cases made up. To me that wasn't strategy of any kind in playing this game. It only hurt her in the end. I think she let her mouth overload her on this one. However, I'd have to go with Maris on this one. I'd prolly do what Maris said because I'd prolly say things that I didn't say here. oops! With NO regrets whatsoever! JMHO |
Monalisa | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 08:24 am     OK, I have hinted a question twice now, with no answer, so here it is directly. Why do Danielle haters hate her so much? Please, something which is different from anything the other hg's do. As far as her impersonations go, I think she does it because it entertains the others, they love it. If they were so offended by it, she wouldn't still be doing it....b/c she would be gone. She has done her "impersonation" of Amy to her face, and Amy was laughing....why can't you, it was funny. The night of the cruise, both Lisa and Dani were telling pros and cons of evicted hg's. Why is it that only Dani disgusts you? The only person I feel she has been mean to was Gerry, but who wasn't? Lisa called him a pedophile, Amy and Marc were reveling in ways in which he could die, Dani didn't go that far. Some are "offended" by her lies....again, who hasn't lied? Roddy is still telling them. I wouldn't doubt but what he doesn't contact each evicted hg and try to sway their vote....very poor sportsmanship. Another of her so-called "offenses" is that she is away from her kids for 3 months....yet Gerry and Tonya planned on doing the same thing. OK, not Tonya, she don't even have her kids. But yet Dani is the one who is a terrible parent. Then their is the questioning of her Christianity. I am a Christian, and I know better than to question somebody else's salvation. Some religions are OK with drinking. Jason has even said he drinks, but basically won't do it on the show b/c of the kids he works with. If you are looking for the perfect Christian, you can stop wasting your time, they don't exist. The one that gets me the most is that she is a "hypocrite." But yet those calling her a hypocrite support another player doing the same things.....isn't that also hypocritical, the pot calling the kettle black? It seems to me as though Dani haters tend to blow things out of proportion, make a mountain out of a molehill, but perhaps my opinion is colored because I like her....hmmmm could that be the case with the "haters?" |
Itsallgood | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 08:35 am     This is an Opinion thread and I think Dani fans need to take it for what it is and not try and make us feel guilty or question our opinions. I have seen in the past couple of days people hurrying to get websites done for Danielle and to me looks like kinda begging people to go leave her some mail. All this stuff is kind of sad. You need to go do this stuff in the I Like Danielle thread, I think this is why the moderators made those type of threads so that we all could go into the ones we choose and voice our OWN opinions . No one questions people about their opinions of the other HG and I just think it's not right to do it for Danielle. There are threads for every HG and every opinion of each and if you don't like what is being said about a certain HG then don't go in that Thread. Simple as that in MHO. It's what I do. Again, JMHO ;-) |
Gramma | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 09:15 am     This thread is titled "HG-Debate - My Opinion of Danielle." It's not called My negative opinion of Danielle, it's not called my positive opinion of Danielle. Nope. There's room for all opinions here, and suggesting that folks who may have other than a negative opinion of Dani don't have as much right to express it here as others is, well, it's wrong. |
Itsallgood | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 09:18 am     That's not what I meant Gramma...sorry you took it that way. :-) This is why I love this board so much. Everyone has an OPINION and can DEBATE it. |
Niceguy | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 09:31 am     From reading the LF's from yesterday I wondering if Danielle is cracking up. She thinks Jason and Lisa should be final two. She says that she has been diabolical. These are her words. I don't want to see the woman really crack-up. She's been ugly and mean but I don't want her carried away. This is the weirdest sympathy ploy I've ever seen. |
Monalisa | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 09:39 am     This thread is on the opinion of Danielle, to me that means good or bad. Why can't Dani supporters post here? I can't post my question in the "I like Danielle" thread, b/c it is a question for those who hate Danielle.....surely they don't frequent and post to the "I like Danielle" thread, do they??? Feel free to question me on any of my opinions, I have reasons for them. If I don't want to be questioned, I'll keep my opinion to myself. I am just wondering why people are sooooo offended by Dani's behavior, yet gloss over that same behavior by other hg's....or worse, display it themselves? I have asked on a few sites, and have yet to get an answer. I am only curious, and do not intend to make anybody feel guilty about their opinions. But something about Dani is rubbing some the wrong way. I'm just wondering what it is....it has to be something different from what the other hg's are doing to warrant such repulsiveness. |
Foodbunny | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 09:54 am     I would have no problem telling Danielle to her face that I did not appreciate her and Gerry agreeing that Roddy can't be trusted because he's not religious because I am a non-religious person. Furthermore I wouldn't have any problem telling her that I am not amused by her impressions of the houseguests and that I don't appreciate her bashing the evicted houseguests after they left the show and that I'm basically rooting for anyone but her to win the game. Monalisa, for me it has everything to do with Gerry and Danielle saying Roddy can't be trusted because he's not Christian. I've been actively rooting against both of them since then and I'll keep on doing it. I've suffered an outrageous amount of persecution for being atheist and I just can't tolerate that attitude that non-Christians are lesser humans at all. Say he can't be trusted because it's a damn game that you're all trying to win, leave his religion or lack thereof out of it. |
Maris | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 10:05 am     I dont agree with these controlled threads and didnt agree with them from the git go. Everyone should be able to post and offer their opinions. I dislike Danni but I do not hate her. She is just a character on a tv show, put there to entertain me for the summer. She has rubbed me the wrong way for a very long time and for quite a few reasons so I will offer them up. Some of the reasons are nothing more than dislike of her personality. 1) It got on my nerves big time that she would use race with Marcellas and tell him we will be the two blacks at the end. She would talk to him all the time about getting "Ghetto". She used her race with him to appeal to him on that level. It is interesting that he hated Gerry for using race (which by the way Danni instigated that one) and even in his exit interview he said he was disappointed because Danni told him that they would be the two african-americans at the end. 2) The way she trashed and tried to Destroy Amy every chance she had. She drank as much as Amy and also got tipsy quite a few times but she kept harping on Amy's drinking and Amy's laissez faire attitude. Danni was the one screaming Libations all the time not Amy. Danni was the one feeding amy liquor and also when amy didnt want wine Danni was trying to push her to drink. 3) She kept calling Roddy the devil and evil and he wasnt. Roddy maybe lied once, cant even count how many times Danni lied. Danni is far more evil than Roddy was. She turned everyone against Roddy by telling them they couldnt trust his being respectful of them. 4) She would tell people, I got your back. You got my word, you will be fine, I am so glad you are in this house and then she went around trashing them in the worst way. 5)She called Tonya a terrible mother for leaving her babies (Tonyas kids didnt even live with her),she made enough comments about Tonyas fake boobs and lying about her age. Well hello, Danni left her daughter to start highschool without her, Danni's boobs are as fake as Tonyas and pretty ample as well. She made how many comments about amy not wearing underwear? None of them true. She said Amy flashed the cameraman, not true. She made Amy out to be some sort of , the girl was a flirt and young. My view is Amy isnt the one walking around with a 9 year old child at 24!!!!!!! 6) Her superior attitude about herself as a mother and a christian makes me want to throw up. When she was talking to Marcellas about how black people know how to raise children and comparing herself to white parents who were not as good, that was pure racism in my book and I think Danielle is a racist and I was offended by it. Just as I would be offended if a white person said blacks dont know how to raise kids and arent good parents. She seems to forget all the mistakes she has made in her life but picks on every little thing someone else does in their life and judges them for it. 7) I didnt like the way she talked down about her husbands job and she didnt sound like she respected him too much. 8) Her screaming she had needs and talking about how many orgasms she had with her husband normally would not be a problem but she seemed to call Chiara a HO and Tonya a HO for talking about their orgasms. People talk about how horrible it is for her kids to read the mean things said about her. Well she has a teenager who is watching her mother scream that she has needs and has reached orgasm 9 times in one night with her husband. 9) She told Chiara she would have her vote but she neglected to tell Chiara she would tell everyone else to vote against her. 10) When Amy won HOH she told Danni she wanted to get rid of Chiara. She was going to put up Chiara and Danni insisted that she put up Roddy. Danni wanted Roddy out and she made a promise to Amy that if Amy put up Roddy she would deliver three votes to get rid of Chiara. Meanwhile Danni had no intention of keeping her word until Amy found out and she told Danni she had to vote Chiara out. Danni was so annoyed about this she wanted to make sure that Amy was gone next, she talked about Amy only wanting to get rid of Chiara for revenge. What was her irrational motive for getting rid of Roddy and making him out to be so evil? That was personal for Danni, very personal. Danni was just mad because she got caught in her lie and had to keep her word to vote out Chiara. Danni still did not vote out Chiara but she did deliver the three votes. 11) She strikes me as a supremely selfish human being who is only interested in what she can get for herself. A classic was when Amy and jason got back from their luxury, Danni was in the bedroom. She made sure she and Lisa went to bed early and she didnt want to hear any of their excitement or fun. 12) I would like to see her lose. |
Beserkknight2 | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 10:09 am     "What I don't understand is how everything she has done is treated as vile and reprehensible....especially when all the others have done the same thing." Why does everyone feel like they have to justify their dislike for Danielle? I just don't like her period that's it. I don't need to justify why to you or anyone else. Opinions are just that...opinions, based on behavior, gut feelings, whatever. Since they are only opinions, feel free to disagree. I do. |
Niceguy | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 10:16 am     Beserkknight2 they have not all done the same thing to the same degree. Either your not watching the feeds or you're in denial. At this time Dani seems to see that she's really messed up: in her DR sessions and in her conspiring and mean misinformation campaigns. |
Carigsby | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 10:19 am     Okay, Monalisa, I'll bite. The reason I think Danielle is a hypocrite is because of the way she turns other houseguests' actions around. She is scheming and manipulating argueablly more than any other houseguest; however, whenever she catches wind of or sees someone scheming or manipulating, she labels them as evil and makes fun of them. I'm all for playing the game and going after your game-enemies, but she acts apalled and disgusted because other people are trying to win, as well. And, I don't think that her impressions of Amy in front of Amy are the same as impressions behind her back. Someone that I've known and become quasi-friends with for 2 months can make fun of me to my face - but if they then turn around and do it behind my back, it is no longer funny. Her impressions of Amy that were shown on last night's program were not in good fun - they were hurtful and mean. Even when Danielle point-blank asked Amy if she flashed the camera and why she leans back in the hottub, she was not appeased by her answers. She talks about her, gets drunk enough to ask her about it and then totally disregards her answer. She looks down on Amy and she is condesending to all of them (and she's not the only one - but Danielle is the one we are referring to here). |
Itsallgood | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 10:31 am     Well put Maris. I understood it and saw everything you posted. To this day it has never ended. |
Suzsmarmie | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 11:06 am     Amen, Maris. May I come out of lurkdom to add a #13???? 13. The arrogant, smug "counting down" of the evicted HGs. Gets on my last nerve. They're gone; no need to rub salt in the wound. Have just a little class. |
Thedunit | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 11:32 am     Gramma, to respond to your question that if Dani was at my house. You bet that I would say anything to her that I have said on this site. Whether it is right or wrong if I am going to have the nerve to write it then I would say it. I would not be like her and back door everyone. I would also tell her that the impression that I have of her may not be correct but it is the impression I have of her from seeing her act the way that she has. Once again it is my opinion but IF they came to my house is it not my opinion they want? |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 11:54 am     C1mag - "SanFran do you find justification in Roddys comments about Dani being a scumbag and a b@tch?" I was talking about DANIELLE's "MF-ing roostercucker" comments being unjustified, which IMO, they ARE. I have not commented on Roddy's above mentioned remarks because I did not witness them. This is the DANIELLE OPINION thread and I am expressing my OPINION that Danielle was unjustified when she called Roddy those names and said she wanted to SPIT on him. "Too my recollection I have never said your opinion is wrong but your willingness to form an opinion without explaining when and why it was said remains wrong on several issues concerning both Roddy and Dani" Since you already seem to know when and why Dani made the remarks that *I* believe were UNJUSTIFIED, it would be a waste of time to explain it to you....but you asked, so I will. Dani called Roddy those things because she was angry at Roddy for being angry with Amy for lying to Roddy. YOU can form the opinion that Dani's name calling appropriate and that expressing her desire to SPIT ON RODDY was appropriate and was justified if you want, but *I* do not see it that way. "and that it would be great if we were able to pull up cuts from those moments because then it would be about the moment and not just words taken possibly out of context and misinterpreted." There you go again....implying that *I* "misinterpreted" something because I "took it out of context". I simply see it differently than you do. If you think that her words were justified, I accept that you see it that way. It's funny that you cannot seem to accept the FACT that *I* do NOT find the same thing thing as "justifiable". |
Nimtu | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 12:06 pm     Wow Maris!! You go!! I love it - summed it all up and I agree with every word. Thanks for saving me a great deal of typing. Just an aside - I think the mods have said before that calling other posters "haters" is not cool - I wish that could be reinforced again. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 12:11 pm     C1mag - "Yep sanfran sometimes I read your posts and all I can say is ... Huh? Where did he pull that one out of? You do a lot of under the table attack of posters in a subtle way." Sorry you feel that way but I continue to support your right to misintepret whatever you want. "<snip>...and all I keep asking for is referrence on that position." Asked for and given. "In the future maybe you could do less of that! It's just a suggestion... Either way it's cool." No thanks....I honestly don't need posting lessons from you. "I've been told that as you get older you get more set in your ways and become quite unmoveable. Applying that lesson I think I understand why you throw things out there with a little twist of the knife. Does that remind you of.... Nevermind!" Uh....what was that all about? Was that supposed to be a dig at the fact that I have twice the life experience that you do? That just sounded like a personal attack to me.....what has that got to do with your opinion of DANIELLE? Let me remind you that this is a thread about OPINIONS of DANIELLE. I have expressed my opinions but in response you attack my posts, you bring up RODDY's remarks about Danielle and now you seem to think that age has somehow become a factor. Let me add....in keeping with the topic of this thread....my opinion of Dani has steadlily dropped for weeks. It wasn't one single incident....it has been an accumulation of everything she has said and done that rubs me the wrong way. My dislike of her grew just like my dislike of Marcellas grew. I used to sit here with the feeds running all the time I was at the computer....then I found that I had to start muting the sound because I just couldn't stand listening to Marce's nasty trash talking any longer. With Marcellas, it happened rather suddenly. With Dani, my attitude evolved more slowly because she was more subtle than Marce. But the more I heard her trash talk and judge, the more I came to dislike her. Those are my OPINIONS. I don't have to wrap them up in a little bow for you to understand. Just accept that I am entitled to my own opinions of what I witnessed whether or not you share them. Your "logic" cannot wash away the foul taste I get in my mouth when I listen to Dani's hatefulness. |
Twiggyish | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 12:15 pm     In all fairness, I've always found Mr. San very direct with his opinions. Trust me, we haven't always agreed, but he's always been respectful. |
Maris | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 12:18 pm     I agree with Twig I have a lot of respect for SanFran and we do not always agree. |
Nimtu | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 12:28 pm     I have always enjoyed reading SanFran's posts! Well thought out, good humor and respectful of other posters. (even though he was rather misguided with that whole Roddy thing ) |
Monalisa | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 12:31 pm     OK, I understand why people may not like Dani. We all pick our fav and pretty much stick with them, everybody else is worse than our player. It's that dreaded "perception." For instance, one thing that "makes me go hmmmm," is that Amy is considered "classy" (what was her nickname for Chiara, and I don't think she ever said it to Chiara's face either)while Danielle is evil and vile. <This is only 1 example, I could come up with 1 for each hg....other than possibly Lori, she wasn't there long enough> What I was hoping to find out is what has Danielle done to warrant some of the REALLY bad comments I have read about her. For example: I hope her husband divorces her. I hope CPS comes and takes her kids away. Behavior like hers is the reason for school shootings. These are just a few. And then there is all the name calling which I won't even repeat. Granted, the worst stuff is on other sites, but I can't get any response there. I personally think Amy has been terrible to her mother. If I were her mother I would be heart-broken. But I don't use her as a poster girl to promote child abuse. I simply consider the source. She is spoiled....and admits it. Dani has disappointed me, not as a person, I don't know her and have no vested interest in her behavior. I was rooting for her to win, and it seems as though her talking about other hg's will cost her the game. She played the game perfectly otherwise. I still believe she is the best player in the game, but I don't think any of the evicted hg's are mature enough to realize that. |
Secretsmile | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 12:32 pm     (((((SANFRANJOSHFAN))))))) |
Monalisa | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 12:36 pm     Sorry about using the word "hater," I was simply trying to distinguish between the ones who are just rooting for another and those who are really seem to despise her. I didn't mean for it to be derogatory. |
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