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Prisonerno6

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 05:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A lot of speculation has flown around about whether Danielle will honor her alliance with Jason. That got me wondering...will Jason honor his alliance with Danielle?

Jason, by all accounts, is a very religious person -- he not only talks the talk but he walks the walk. Danielle, on the other, claims to be religious, but her actions (in my opinion) in the house have been fairly un-Christian, between the lying and the bashing of fellow houseguests.

I had to look it up to make sure :-), but the 9th commandment is "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." This is generally understood to mean you shouldn't lie. Everyone else who has made it to the final four have done it with a fairly clean slate, except for Danielle. Her betrayal of Marcellas last week was the clearest example. She told him she wouldn't vote to evict him, Lisa told him the same, so he didn't use the GPOV feeling he was safe. Danielle lied to him and that meant Jason had to break the tie.

Will that be enough for Jason to rethink who he wants with him in the final two? Would someone as Christian as he is really want someone who would lie to win a game in the final two with him? Or is his word more important to him? I suppose it depends on whether he realizes how much she has lied.

Secretsmile

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 05:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
IMHO Jason loses nothing by sticking with Dani to the end. Dani kept herself seperate from the others so they will have more good memories of Jason. Jason may want to rethink the Lisa alliance because she also was popular in the house.

Bbnan

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 05:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh good grief. SO what if she lied to Marcellus? Jason knew all about Dani and Marcellus. Marcellus told Roddy and Chiara all about Dani. Marcellus blabbed and therefore Dani didn't trust him. And she shouldn't have, as he was making a pact with Lisa to split up Jason and Danielle. Since Jason and Dani planned to stick together, anything that threatens one, threatens the other. ( Threat is a game sense..not real threats)

Jason knows how to separate game playing from real life. Get over it people. Jason and Danielle are in it together and they will NOT go against each other.

Jagger

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 06:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've heard Danni mention several times it was Jason and her in the final two, but I have never heard Jason say that. The other day J/D were outside talking and again Jason said they lived up to thier original plan to make it to the final 3. Makes me wonder if they do really have an agreement to pick each other for the final 2. I do beleive Jason would pick Danni, but I'm not too sure if Danni would pick him, I'm hoping she would, but I have never heard either one of them say to the other that they would take them to the final.

Wcv63

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 06:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jagger, Jason has said that the only person he is obligated to protect aside from himself is Dani. He has said on more than one occassion that he and Dani are a team.

I believe that if luck falls on their side and the HOH competition is won by either Jason or Dani then they will be standing next to each other in the end.

Prisonerno6

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 06:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, I'm sorry, my mistake. I must have been looking at an outdated edition of the Bible. I didn't realize the 9th commandment had been updated to read, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor...unless thou art playing a game in which thou hast a chance to win a half million pieces of silver."

Wcv63

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 06:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Prisonerno6, lying, bluffing, and strategizing are a part of this contest. There are many games that people play that incorporate those elements and good christians can play those games with as much impunity as any one else.

Prisonerno6

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll give you strategizing as being a part of the contest. Good bluffing can also be a part. Neither of those are lying. Has Jason lied in this game? Not that I recall. I would be very interested to see what would happen if anyone asked him a direct question about his plans, but they don't.

Strategizing: "Marcellas is the bigest threat right now. He should go."

Bluffing: "Danielle, just don't vote to evict me." "Marcellas, you know I'll do what's best."

Lying: "Danielle, just don't vote to evict me." "OK, Marcellas, I won't vote to evict you."

Costacat

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, I think Prisoner has a good point. Danielle has been doing all the talk about "you 'n me in the final two" to him. I've never heard him make such a promise. And Jason is a bit of a wild card: he didn't nominate as Danielle wanted him to when during his first run as HOH. And Danielle is also a bit worred about him; didn't she very specifically ask him to NOT nominate her during his second HOH?

I do think the fact that Danielle has claimed to be such a good Christian but has not acted it will come back to hurt her. I'm not saying it's good or bad strategy, but I think the others may be looking for the "good people" who played an honest game.

And, of course, I'm hoping that if Jason wins HOH this week, he takes Lisa with him to the finals! I think that would pose an interesting dilemma for the jury as to whom to give the $500K grand prize. Jason, who essentially played a pretty honest game. Or Lisa, who was part of the original six and who pretty much played under the radar most of the game.

Gidget

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good grief and good lesson. If I ever make it into the house, I am going to claim I belong to some obscure religious sect so none of you can figure out how I am supposed to behave. Heck, I may even make one up just for the fun of it.

Jagger

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There is no dought in my mind Jason would take Danni along, as well he should. They formed an alliance the first week in the house that they would work together to try to be in the final 3, Danni has helped Jason get there and Jason has helped Danni get there, so I am sure the two will stick together if it is Jason's choice.

Jan

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
prisoner, don't you remember that that was what all the fuss with Roddy was about. Roddy said Jason lied to him. He said he would vote to keep Eric then did not follow through. Jason's defense was that he did not give his word and only answered because he felt cornered.

How does that differ from what Dani did?

Every person in that house has "lied" in that context, even Jason. Without lies, they would be evicted by now.

Wcv63

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gidget!! Love your response! :O

What555456

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Prisonerno6

If we are going to bring in the Commandments, do not forget the 10th which says you shall not covet your neighbors goods, etc.

If Jason reneges on his promise to Dani he will have broken the 9th for lying to her (and many others during this game) but also the 10th -- by coveting what he thinks Dani will have. Would not make him a very good christian, no would it?

Having said that, I think using the 10 commandments or any other Sacred admonitions to judge any of these people makes about as much sense as thinking Paul Crouch has built his media empire by folloowing Chrstian principles. They all agreed to become part of a TV show that is based on breaking the 10 commandments. None of them would ever be considered for sainthood based on that decision alone, much less on how they have acted in the house.

Will Jason hold to his agreement? Yes, just as I think Dani will. They both know that the agreement is limited to getting each other to the final 2. After that...its a crap shoot for both of them. They know it and while both want the $500K, both will also be happy (albeit disappointed) with the $50k if that's how it goes.

Wouldn't you?

Costacat

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gidget, I think Danielle brought it on herself. If she claimed to be something, she sure ought to "walk the walk".

The difference, Jan, is that Jason doesn't do it with any regularity and regrets doing it. And as far as I know, he's only done it once and that was because he WAS cornered. And he shouldn't have been. That was plain rotten of Roddy to pressure Jason that way. At that time, if you recall, whoever was HOH constantly pushed his/her own agenda. Remember Chiara talking to each HG before her noms, to ensure that her "choice" was going to be evicted?

Wendo

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amazing, another thread that's turned into a negative Dani thread. The woman can't win at all.

Costacat, well, one could argue Jason lied to Marcellas because, as he said on the Thursday show, he, Dani, and Mar were in a final three deal. He broke that deal and lied to Marcellas.

There have been other instances too. Who cares. You have to eventually lie in this game to win.

Thefunnyfarm

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 08:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It is a perfect alliance, and will probably stay that way. Danielle is a controlling person who likes to call the shots, and Jason is a Mama's boy who is used to being led around by the nose. He's used to being told what to do, and she is used to telling people what to do! So - they work well together. I think it's funny that D treats him like a child, yet seems jealous if he pays any attention to the other gals. She is also always the first to say ... he would be all over me except I'm married, etc. Just my opinion.

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 08:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't need someone to hit me in the head with a brick to understand that the Danielle and Jason alliance is real and will be honored for the duration of this game.

Lombadier

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason would be a fool to dump Dani. He already has her beat. Heck, everyone there could beat her.

Closetfan

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani and Jason will honor their alliance. I think their bond is real and will be so disappointed if they don't stick to it. I don't think this limits Dani (or Jason) to not subtley convincing the next HOH (if not them) to take them to the final with them.... But if J and D can get to the final two together, I believe they will.

Whit4you

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo
Monday, September 16, 2002 - 11:55 am
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Amazing, another thread that's turned into a negative Dani thread. The woman can't win at all.

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Curious since I keep hearing this - just what about this thread prior to your post would make you classify this thread as a "negative Dani thread" - I have seen nothing that would lead me to that conclusion and been reading it since post 1.

Wendo

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit, proabably the "anti-Christian" comment.

And, that Jason's problems are really Dani's fault. No biggie.

Whit4you

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
k - have a good night Wendo :)

<--off to get some zzzzzz's - someone keep tabs on these houseguests tonight LOL

Victoriafla

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jason and Dani will both take each other to the finals. I would like to see some action though and have one of them have to leave. It's just to predictable if Lisa doesn't win this HOH.

C1mag

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He'd be a fool if he didn't honor it. How does he know that Lisa would take him to the finals. Dani has so far proven loyal. No need to question it. Besides, I think he thinks he can beat her in the finals.