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Crazydog

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Dixiebelle that Danielle will throw the final HoH. Danielle knows that she would have a better chance in the finals with Lisa than with Jason. Jason would surely take Danielle to the finals. Lisa knows she would have a better chance against Danielle so she will take Danielle. Jason is eliminated, but not by Danielle, and Jason's vote for Danielle is preserved.

At this point however I think Danielle would score more points with the jury if she won HoH and stuck by her word to take Jason. Then they might possibly see that it was not personal and it was just business. Interesting that in her last few eviction countdowns she has apologized, saying it's nothing personal and it's just business. I think she realized they looked bad and is now trying to tone it down a little.

Cousin_Jake

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder how Dani would feel to be on the receiving end of one of those "Nothing personal - just business" speeches from Lisa next Thursday night? She might find it small comfort as I'm sure those who Dani said it to did. It's always personal.

Crazydog

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Jake and I would love for at least one of the evictees tell Dani that it is "nothing personal" as they cast their vote for the other finalist. Too bad Dani was never nominated so she could have understood what it was like.

Skol

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe Lisa has known the answers to the questions all along, but decided to drop out of competitions. This could explain her confidence. I thought one of the questions she got wrong on the last hoh competition was suspect. It was the question about how many of the remaining hgs had surviving gnomes. She put 3. That was obviously way off.

Niceguy

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Let's see if Lisa really is the "Princess of Darkness."

Terryb

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ya know if it was me I would take Amy with me to the end. First off she is a sweetie despite being a pain in the butt, but secondally and most importantly - Due to the fact that she has already been voted out - NO one will vote for her to win the $500,000. You could just breeze thru. Uh.. at least I think so.

Kittykatt

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Lisa wins the next HOH ( which I think bb will put something she is good at so she can win) I have a gut feeling she will vote to evict Dani and keep jason, I really believe she sees her as a bigger threat then Jason!

Draheid

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe BB will put together a really sucking contest ... no REALLY a sucking contest ... I mean, isn't Lisa a self-professed (and occasionally demonstrated) toe & cigar sucker (and we won't mention the other lessons she's given! LOL) ... so maybe the next competition could include some of her 'hidden' talents? (Ok, maybe not so hidden to *US*)

Whew, it was hard talking with my tongue in my cheek! LOL
Ok, I know this was REALLY bad, but I couldn't resist!

Jagger

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Lisa does win and gives Danni the boot it may give her a few extra votes, just because she was the person that finally took down Danni. I think Lisa would probably win over either of the other two, just because she was in the original group, I think those five would all give her their vote with the exception of possibly Gerry and Josh, plus she would probably pick up Mar's vote.

I have a feeling she has been blowing most of the hoh comps, but than again so have Jason and Danni, so it should be a very close ending.

GO JASON!!!!!

edited to change the first name to Lisa, it was stated as "If Danni does win and gives Danni"

(cw)

Meggieprice

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wanted to start a thread about who people think Lisa would take to the finals. I think she would take Danielle.I think she has some doubts because she doesn't have the insight about Dani that those who have left the house have gained. But I think she knows Jason would be really hard to beat. Perhaps we can include that here.

I go back and forth about Lisa's game playing. She definitely has been strong in terms of knowing where to allign to get here. But sometimes I think she has a slight learning disability- I really do not think she threw the GPOV challenge, but misunderstood the instructions. I have said elsewhere that she has an odd air about her like someone who has been asleep for a long long time and woke up to be out of synch with the world around her. I do want her in the final 2, but I don't know what to think about her chances.

Hope everyone knows it was Costacat of our own TV Clubhouse who said that to lisa about hoh in chat!

Onlymytulips

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Last year the HOH contest at this time in the game was an endurance one. It was...who could stay on the bed the longest. Danielle doesn't seem to do good in endurance tests. So, Lisa is going to hafta dig real deep to outlast Jason. I have a feeling that Danielle wants him to win it next week over her, giving her only once being HOH.

Crazydog

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tulips, no, the HoH contest with the bed they all peed on was at the same point in time as the one that they just had that Dani won. Monica won that HoH and nominated Nicole and Hardy, leaving Will as the sole vote and he evicted Hardy.

Last year's final HoH as reported in some other thread (not sure which one) was a three parter: trivia, physical stuff, and more trivia. I expect it to be about the same this time around. I thought they were told it would be a three parter. Or maybe that's just JAson speculating, based on what he knows from last year.

Draheid

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Onlymytulips: Actually, the final HoH was a 3-part competition (as was pointed out to me several times in a thread I stared on this! LOL) Monica was eliminated in the first round and Nicole finally won in the third. The waterbed was the one that Monica won and resulted in Hardy being ousted. Just FYI! :)

Meggieprice

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tulips,The waterbed one was the one before this point. Hardy was outgoing HOH and could not compete. Monica, Nicole, and Will were on the bed. Nicole was so sorry to Hardy when she blew it-and ultimately he was gone. The last one was several parts and included the obstacle course in the house doing tasks like eating a PB/J, washing windows, etc. with best time getting points and also a memory/fact test.

Krossd

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggie, I keep fluctuating too. I think she would take Danielle for a couple of reasons such as her wanting a woman to win, and in her mind she may be easier to beat (she used the word "scary" in her chat, intimidating when she relayed that to them after chat, so she is aware of Dani, jurors may be too).

I think she really likes Dani, and would like to see her get her house, and she wouldn't have a problem not winning against Dani.

Now there is Jason, of course! How do we know that there isn't going to be an agreement between him and her for his vote this week? It may be quickly said in passing, and no "words" even having to pass. They have both given their word to choose her, she could reaffirm. He has to be thinking why hasn't she offered that? Mayb they've made her feel she doesn't have to since they gave thier word.

Between Lisa and Amy, Jason has to prefer Lisa' company (he's irritated with Amy a lot, and either one of them appear as they'd take Dani to the final 2 should they win HOH). And as Jaggar said above, If Lisa takes Dani down, she may gain points on the jury (Good Point btw). Still I think Lisa may go with her heart, and that would be to take Danielle.

Yep, back and forth on this one. That is why we like to watch so close (plus the time we have). Sometimes you can get a feel by the type and tone of a conv. This is the most interesting aspect of BB, for me.

Meggie - You need a folder girl! How come you don't have one?

Pajomu

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 11:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I would love to see Dani or Jason win the final HOH and go to the end together. It's been fun being on the Dani/Jason train this whole time. It is amazing to me that both of them have never been nominated for eviction. I admire that and hope they get to the end together. If that happens either one winning is fine with me! Go Dani and Jason!!!

Jaysgal

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Krossd, she actually said "threatening" and "scary".

So, I do think that she distinguishes the two words. "Threatening" can be swapped with (is synonymous with, that is) "intimidating", but I don't think "scary" can necessarily be swapped with "intimidating".

I really suspect that scary to her was at a more personal level, but "threatening" was at the game level, where she feels intimidated.

I'm still of the opinion that she would not take Danielle. And her use of the word "scary" seemed to reveal an indepth and personal feeling.

Beagle

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal, when Lisa was relaying what was said to the HG's in tha back yard after the chat, did she actually tell Dani she used those words to describe her? If you don't know, maybe someone else here knows.

Meggieprice

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Beagle- she didn't tell them the words she had used. She said intimidating.

I do have a folder, Krossd. And I left a message in yours

Jaysgal

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 01:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Beagle, Meggieprice is right. Lisa just told the houseguests (including Danielle) that she said she found Danielle "intimidating". She didn't use "threatening" and "scary" as she had told the internet folks.

Beagle

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ahhhh many thanks to you both for clearing that up for me. :)

Wendo

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 01:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, I was surprised how Lisa said in the chat that she fully expects to win HOH. Doesn't she realize that there are two other people who are going to be vieing for it as well? However, it could likely be her giving herself positive reinforcement, and that's a good thing. See the goal, know the goal, get the goal.

I do think Lisa's been throwing competitions. But, I don't think she threw this last HOH. As she admitted in her Sat. DR's, when Mar got the boot, she felt vulnerable. HOH was just after his eviction, so I do believe she went for that HOH. Losing by one point tells me she went for it. (About the gnome question, she mixed up by thinking Mar was still in the house.) And, she said she felt "set up" too. If that was, indeed, the case, I imagine she went for last weeks HOH.

Either that, or the girl is one heckuva actress. If she was thinking that she was safe with Dani and Ja, then why was she worried? Unless it was jury play in the DR's for Mar's vote. I dunno.

As to Lisa being in the game because of Dani, I agree to a certain extent. One, she wouldn't even be playing today had Dani not clued her in to what was going on in the house at the time. By just Dani telling her, watch yourself, helped Lisa immensely. Also, as Jan (I think), pointed out, Dani did a lot of work the week Lisa and Eric were on the block.

As was pointed out, she talked with Mar and Jason about keeping Lisa over Eric since, in the game, Eric was the bigger threat.

AND, lastly, remember that one or two nights before the eviction, Dani went and talked to Gerry in the HOH room about what would happen in the event of a tie. She didn't tell him HOW to vote, but she did get him to realize that Eric was the bigger threat of the two. That was a pivitol conversation. Because, I think, had it not happened, Gerry would've been more inclined to evict Lisa over Eric.

So, I do think Lisa's been playing a good game, keeping low, under the radar, and letting others get the business done. But, she's still in that house due to a lot of effort on Dani's (and Jason's) part as well.

Wendo

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As to the "intimidating" and "scary" words.

If Lisa is really playing this game and thinking of jury votes with respect to the end game, she should take Danielle.

Think about it. The words she used are not positive ones. They're negative. (Though, I do think she means them in relation to Dani in the game, not how she feels about her outside of the game. She did call her beautiful.)

As a player still in the game, if she feels this way, then she should be able to extrapolate how the evicted HG's feel since they're not in there anymore. (I know, I'm not being very clear.)

Basically, if she feels this way IN the game, then imagine what the HG's OUTSIDE of the game feel. It really depends on whether Lisa is able to put two and two together.

Wendo

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, I also meant to add...I know some are suggesting that Dani intends to throw HOH. Personally, I don't think she is. In fact, I don't think any of them intend to. All three will be going hard for that last HOH. Why lessen your chances for the final two when the last HOH ensures your place?

Should be exciting.

Bigbrotherbelle

Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope DANI wins HoH, because I want her to have to pick Jason over Lisa.