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Uniblab

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Anybody else remember a conversation when Roddy was still in the house about Bunky selling out the others for PB&J and money? They all discussed what they would do in a similar situation and pretty much agreed not to sell each other out. (I don't think Amy was back in the house at this point but I could be wrong.) After they all agreed, Roddy wanted everyone's "word" right then and there,and Jason kind of backed away saying something like, well if they offered $50,000, well he might be tempted to take it. And Roddy said something like see, you just said you wouldn't do it and now you are already going against you word. Anyway, I think Lisa was remembering this discussion in her refusal to take the money. She said she wouldn't do it, and she kept her word.

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Last night in the long girl talk session Lisa indicated she tried to make up for not voting for Eric to come back in the house by trashing Gerry in her goodbye speach.

As usual, waking up and reading this, you all have made some great points! I love this site.

Csnog-I think you are right- Lisa didn't understand the competition and then said she threw it. If she was going to blatantly do that she would have walked straight through but she did try to get the order of eviction. All along I have felt that there is something a little odd and outside the group about her. She may have a learning disability...or something. She seems a bit like someone who has been asleep for a long time and is out of sync with the world she woke up in.

As I mentioned elsewhere last night I was really impressed and moved by her refusal to cave in the phone bribe. I really saw the core of Lisa the person right then, and I liked what I saw. I do agree with others here though that it doesn't add a lot to her playing stock with me. I too feel she has coasted on coattails and basically just kept her mouth shut to get here.

It did occur to me, though, that she is trying to be sure she is kept for the next round, so doing something that took those calls away from her fellow players might have been stupid! She was shocked that they all caved!

What555456

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"And during that part of the game Lisa's ONLY role in the house was girlfriend."

This is one of the areas in which I feel sorry for Lisa. She was playing the role of girlfriend, while Eric was simply using her for his own satisfaction. Sad when men do that. Sad when women allow it.

A couple of Winter Olympics ago (I don't recall which one) a minor figure skater made it to the finals. Everyone was shocked she got there, because she had never shown herself to be of world class caliber.

During her performance in the finals she fell several times, missed jumps, etc. I felt very embarrassed for her and just wanted the thing to end.

I feel the same way about Lisa. She is where she is not because of any skill or ability, but just because she has. And everytime I see her "deer in the headlights" look and hear her talk about "something is going on here, I just can't figure it out" I am embarrassed for her.

Earthmother

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sea, I'd have to concur on the "clueless" part.

Lisa seems to be playing this game one week behind everyone else, which has worked very well for Dani and Jason. She seems to get it but only after it already happens. lol

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eddie won BB 1 because he was missing a leg. That didn't take any skill. Every time he opened his mouth I was embarrassed for him. He won $500,000 and he couldn't care less about what I think of him. Lisa being naive is somehow endearing to me. Loyal and genuine last night.

Krossd

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's about time she got some points with some of you... I've been watching her closly and I think she is the MOST genuine HG in there. A lot of people have missed the finer points of this quiet woman. She is in NO way dumb because she is quiete and doesn't need the spotlite. Whenever I see her on camera I go to it, and listen, and watch. You can learn a lot about a person from silences too.

In the telephone competition she was genuine in wanting them all to have the call. I'll admit she didn't think stragegy there - for jury votes or considering (as Dani did) who would accept (or she'd have known Amy was likely to, Dani would have figured that out and also taken it. Jason never considered anything but knowing at 5T they'd offer more - Jason isn't really about how the others feel, more focused on the big bucks, and evidently the smaller bucks too.)

It is too bad that Lisa has slipped under a lot of peoples radar, in there and out here...(look at poll on CBS, who is 2nd fav?) Sure she has made some tactical mistakes, but at least she IS playing - in her way, being true to herself as things become apparent to her.

I said waaaayyyyy at the beginnning she was/is mysterious, a bit of an oddity, intreging, and seemed to be a very gentle soul with some backbone when cornered. To be in there with all the spotlite hoggers, the vipers, the control freaks, and the meanspirited.... and to have handled herself without going off the deep end, complaining, not participating and so on - well she has done AMAZINGLY well, and hasn't sold herself out at all. She goes along with just about everyone (who knows what went on with Jerry, but even Amy agrees he was learing), and has gotten to know just about everyone (by listening and being supportive and caring).

It really distrubes me when nice and interesting (if you care to pay attention to the smaller seemingly less important goings on and moments) people are overlooked, thought to be dumb or said to be not playing just because they are quite. I feel I know a lot about this young vivacious, caring but stand up women (she was able to chat with Roddy for hours on end without loosing herself). I hope she makes it to the final 2 with any of the others - and WINS. She truly is a nice person in the house and out!

Go Lisa! (win some more )

Bailey

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa, by her own admission in the cbs bios stated, "I may not be the smartest cookie in the cookie jar, but I'll be the tastiest". I have noticed thruout the summer that she was right, she wasn't the brightest by far.. but when it comes to loyalty, she can give anyone of them a run for their money.
I wasn't surprised she didn't take the money.. I think this is exactly who she is, and wants desperately to believe people she loves are the same way.
I would be so thrilled if she ended up winning in the end.. whether she got to where she is today thru sheer luck or because she remained loyal to her word is up to the jurors to decide.
I just think it would be a breath of fresh air to see honor and integrity win in the end.

Breezy

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal, I agree with your interpretation of Lisa. And don't forget she is still here, so her strategy has worked for her.

She may not have provided the drama and entertainment that some of the other houseguests have, but she has also not been as offensive. There is much to be said for someone who doesn't run off at the mouth. Dani and Amy have been guilty of this. In my opinion it is a sign of wisdom that she carefully weighs what she says, and doesn't reveal too much. She may be harder to read, but it puts her in a better position in the game. She has not participated in as much HG bashing, has not been seen to be openly manipulative as has Dani.

Whether it was sincere, or a game ploy, I don't know, but her turning down the $15,000 showed her to be a team player, and not focused on self or greed.

Eventhough I personally like Amy, Amy has not fostered much respect with her drinking binges and emotionalism. Lisa is more credible and respected in the long run. I think she deserves to be in the final two.

The only suggestion I have for Lisa, is that she would cover up that belly button, and wear a blouse that doesn't expose everything!

Weinermr

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<This is one of the areas in which I feel sorry for Lisa. She was playing the role of girlfriend, while Eric was simply using her for his own satisfaction.>

This is pure speculation and character assassination being presented as fact.

Lisad

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
About this competition. Let's not forget what Dani said in the room. She said that she's got Lisa & Jason and essentially implied that if it was just them in the competition, she'd let it go. She said that since Amy was in the mix - she's going to grab the cash.

This is based on Amy's previously self-centered history in the house and the clothing grab, etc. She accepted the offer because she felt Amy would do it in a heartbeat.

I was very surprised Amy passed on the first offer. She said she was trying to not be so selfish. :) At least she's working on it! LOL

But it does appear from Dani's statements, that Dani would have passed entirely or held out if Amy wasn't there.

Wendo

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood, actually, last night she relayed to Amy and Dani her outgoing message to Gerry again. And, she again said she was happy she made it. *shrug*

Not offering an opinion, just lettin' ya know what I heard on the feeds.

Wendo

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bigbrotherbelle said, "Sorry, but they only had 2 weeks left in the house. She just wanted to look good for the final vote."

This is how I took it as well. Not saying it's true, but this was my impression.

Brownie points, no more, no less.

Csnog

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No matter what happens, Lisa has Gerry to thank for her being there.

And Lisa had the oportunity to get Eric back and she didn't.

Lisa still owes Gerry AND his family an apology. Right after she learns how disasterous her name calling can affect a person's life.

Groucho

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Dani's statement to the effect that "I know Amy will take it, so I'm gonna take it too" was incredibly self-serving. It allowed her to justify actions to her own benefit by trashing someone else. Which is pretty much standard operating procedure for her.

I was glad to see Amy at least held out longer than Dani did.

Peachy720

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I TOTALLY agree CSnog..Not only did I think her farewell message to Gerry was classless (if it wasn't for him, she would be at home), but she continued to make references to him as a pervert, molester, etc. AFTER he was gone..and, excuse me, Lisa, when have you EVER actually worn anything that actually COVERED up some skin??

Puck1021

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, I posted in another thread that she moved up a big notch in my opinion of her when she refused the money and every one else moved down. She showed great compassion to the others by wanting them to have time to talk to their families. The others especially Dani, showed they had no compassion for the others. Jason highly disappointed me by taking 15,000 and Dani was predictable at 5,000, she should have known that BB would offer more, they always start low and bid higher in these types of challenges. Then Dani lied and said she did not take the offer and her partner busted her in front of everyone, will she let that one go, I do not think so, even thought they made a big joke of it at the end, it will be in the back of her mind that her alliance partner busted her and made her out a liar in front of everyone.

Curlyq

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, I hadn't even thought of that. Jason did bust Dani when she was trying to act innocent, didn't he? LOL

Personally, I think anyone who didn't take that deal was either hoping to score brownie points or just foolish. And there really wasn't a whole lot of points to be scored here. As Julie Chen pointed out to Amy, they're all going to be contacting their families over the next two weeks anyway, and Lisa could've used some of her $15,000 to buy gifts for the other families if she really was afraid of looking selfish.

Whit4you

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If I was in this exact house - with these exact people and were say Lisa... I wouldn't have taken the 5,000 and probably wouldn't have taken the 10,000...but to decline the 15,000 was in my opinion totally foolish. Even if I personally had no need for $15,000 I would still have taken it to donate to a charity I find most worthy.

Jason didn't surpise me turning down the 10,000 showed his selflessness, accepting the 15,000 showed his intelligence. He isn't a fool he knows somoene would accept 15,000 - so why not take the chance of being the one to accept it.

I did not understand in listening to them talk why they were NOT upset with Amy taking the 10 g's because I was not aware that Dani and Jason had both accepted it. Can you imagine their outrage had they NOT accepted it LOL.

Basically everyone BUT Lisa took a huge chance there. I swear I could not believe she turned down the 15,000 though - pretty shocking TV moment for me. I believe her reasons however were not just 'selfless' I think she knew if she accepted it and nobody else did ...she'd be a goner. She's on the block and if she'd been that selfish and the others had not - well good chance she'd lose alot more then 15,000 grand.

I remember when Will turned it down last year - he did that out of sheer strategy and it was a very good strategy.

But 15 grand? Geez that's alot to turn down just so other houseguest MAY possibly get to make a 3 minute phone call when they will be out in a few days to 12 days! Especially knowing that someone else will probably take 15 grand!!

Anyhow turning down that 15 grand may be a deciding factor in a split vote and one of those who was on the fence may choose her over someone else because of that... so it may turn out ot be a good investment for her.

If she didn't do it partially for strategy then..she's a fool lol.

Whit4you

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpeck doubt this belongs in this thread but since you brought it up... Eddie won BB I because the American public voted for him to win. You can speak for yourself as to why YOU voted for him if YOU voted for him but you can NOT speak for me and why I voted for him. You can make your presumtions but they are not based on fact. Like Will I couldn't stand Eddie at first but as time went on I grew to luv him - he had a positive attitude and did not let his handicap hold him back - the way he got around was amazing to watch for me. His sense of humor while it took a long time for me to get it was too funny... the 3 legged pug... but the thing that won me over to Eddie was his chicken chats... they were so funny and he entertained us.. he earned his money I felt because he single handedly entertained us the last few weeks - all his chats with the camera .. and the camera people... all his chats with the chickens for our amuzement and so on. You think if he'd had Mega's personality and one leg he would have won? NOT. Ya think if he'd had Mike Boogey's personality he would have won? NOT. He won because we voted for him to win not because he had one leg. I'd take Eddie's chicken chat cam over the endless hours of card playing last year and this - any day of the week.

I think it's funny though that years later people don't want to believe that Eddie beat out their pick to win and still use his handicap against him - to each their own. :)

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He was crude, vile, not at all amusing. I don't like people that act the way he did. He did win because of the handicap; Curtis and Josh all but handed him the victory. You may choose to rewrite his actions in the house and make them fuzzy and cute. He was rude. He won $500,000.

Whit4you

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Naa Wood - I felt just as you do the first 4 or 5 weeks about Eddie - I don't think much of your average 21 year old male and the way they act - him included. I'm sure you were a saint at 21 but your the exception not the rule lol.

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker, haha! I cannot believe that we agree on something there. I am also convinced that the American public voted in favour of Eddie because of his disability.

Funny, he kept demonstrating to us and telling us that he didn't need any sympathies for his disability. And I do have to commend him for that. And thanks to his request, I could so chew him for his impudence, laziness and despicable comments and actions. I disliked him, but I wasn't so bent on it as I was about George. I didn't mind seeing Eddie win. However, based on character and merits, my choice would have been Curtis. Nonetheless, between Eddie and Josh, I preferred that Eddie won.

Basically, I do agree with your perception of Eddie and why he won.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I talked to many people that voted for him because of his handicap. If he wasn't missing a leg, his rotten behavior would never have allowed him to stay in the BB 1 house long enough to get the money. To be fair, he never pandered to people about being handicapped, and it was the viewing public that handed him his victory. Just because I didn't like him winning doesn't mean I have a bad taste of sour grapes. He won according to the rules. (I was not a saint, but I do have some degree of class. Eddie lacked any social grace. Very annoying and selfish.)

Kathyb

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As I recall, Eddie also frequently brought up that he really needed the money and that was why he was there. Something about paying off his parents' mortgage, and his brother's college costs? There were frequent mentions both by the other hgs and posters here of Eddie "needing the money the most". I don't remember him being criticized for expressing his "need". Because Dani has stated several times that she came on BB3 to win the money to fulfill her dream of buying a house for her family, she is vilified for crying "poor" and being greedy. I wonder what the difference is?

Costacat

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 04:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Taking the 100th post (away from Goddessatlaw)!

Edited to add something on topic...

Actually, I'm still hoping Lisa makes it in to the final two, and I'd be really happy if she won! I think she has a good chance to win the whole shebang if she wins HOH next week.