Is Danielle mad because she is having to finally pull the weight
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Bomom | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:03 am     If I were Jason, after pressing upon everyone how angry he was over the HGs not trying hard enough at his week's food competition, after tonight, I would NEVER EVER bring up the subject of the Dinner Party from Hell again! |
Cmore | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:22 am     Actually I don't think either Jason or Dani could beat Lisa. Jason has probably racked up some serious guilt by association points with the jury. Of the remaining 3 Dani is the most disliked by the jury, based on the interviews i have read and I do believe that Jason's alliance with Dani will be frowned upon by the jury, leaving him the second most disliked person of the remaining 3. We all know the smack that Dani has talked in her DR's, but Lisa is not aware of that. She is aware that Jason has been HOH much more than dani, therefore responsible for more evictions than Dani, coupled with the deciding vote to kick out Marc and Amy. If she thinks clearly based on the information that she has ( not the info that we have) I believe that she would think Jason is the weaker of the 2 when it comes to votes, based on Jason being more directly responsibe for more evictions than Dani. He did in fact do more of the openly visible dirty work than Dani did and she has no clue of the behind the scenes role that Dani played or what kind of Info Dani's DR's really contained, other than what Dani has told her and she can't really be sure about that info. Dani would really be her weaker opponent in the end, but i think Dani stressing that point over and over and Lisa knowing jason and Dani have an alliance is making her a bit uneasy about Dani. |
Wendo | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:26 am     Weseeall, While I'm sure Dani wants to make the final two, I do think she feels really bad. She said she feels like she let him down. Bomom, good point. |
Mags3 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:32 am     I don't think Lisa believed Dani when she told her she would take Lisa to the final two. If you remember, when Amy and Jason went on their cruise, Dani told Lisa she had an alliance with Jason from day one of the game. Lisa is not going to believe that after all this time that Dani would leave that alliance with Jason. And in saying that she would, that just confirms to Lisa how she can outright lie to the HG's and that the jury would be more prone to vote Lisa's way. However, Lisa may feel that Jason deserves a shot at 50g's verses giving anything to Dani and she may take that chance figuring that the jury will see that Jason was as much a backstabber in this game, but under the hypnotic orders of the she devil- Dani herself. |
Phillymom | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:39 am     Dani has guaranteed herself a place in the final two, but she pretty much had that sown up before tonight's competition. I think Dani will throw today's competition, so she doesn't have to evict Lisa. So Saturday's comp will be between Lisa and Jason, and both will take Dani with them to the final 2. Jason doesn't seem really upset by anything that happened, except he seems to feel bad for Dani. I honestly don't think the boy cares that much whether he wins or not. I think the only thing we can be fairly sure of (not positive, but fairly certain) is that it won't be Lisa and Jason as the final two. I know some people thought it would be a shoe-in for Lisa if it came down to that, but I thought Jason would still win fairly easily. Jason would take: Dani, Gerry, Josh, Lori, Chiara, Roddy, and probably Amy. Lisa would take: Eric, Tonya, Marcellas. |
Phillymom | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:45 am     One thing I forgot to put in my last post -- Mags, I didn't hear Dani tell Lisa (when Amy and Jason went on the cruise) that she's had an alliance since the beginning with Jason. If that's true, why would Lisa have asked, when they were in the pool tonight, if Dani and Jason had an alliance? She wouldn't have asked if she already knew. I think Lisa is still clueless about the Dani/Jason alliance. |
Wendo | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:35 am     Mags3, Dani hasn't told Lisa about her alliance with Jason. They're still keeping it under wraps. They talked a lot that day Ja and Amy were on the cruise, but she didn't tell him how close she was to Dani. Philly, Jason wants her to throw the competition today. He wants to win it to compete against Lisa. She said she was willing to compete and dump Lisa. But Jason wants to win it tomorrow. *shrug* |
Letmeinthere | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 03:09 am     Dani only got out of the pool cause Lisa gave her word to Dani to take her to the final. She's in a no lose deal here. Both Jason and Lisa have promised to take her to the final two. Dani probably thinks she has a better chance against Lisa than Jason to win the $$. My guess, she's going to throw the HoH comp. She's laying the guilt trip on herself to Jason so that Jason understands why Dani can't win HoH cause she promised Lisa she'd take her. She played this game with Roddy already and threw each HoH until he was gone. |
Letmeinthere | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 03:19 am     I agree with Phillymom's post. Jason wants Dani to win this money and probably knows that Lisa won't take him to the end. He agreed that Dani should throw the next stage of of the comp so she wouldn't have to keep her promise to Lisa, thus keeping face. I believe Jason is keeping with his alliance to Dani but it looks like Dani doesn't mind if Lisa wins since she promised to take Dani to final 2. |
Eliz87 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 06:23 am     IMO, Lisa's "word" means nothing at this point. Remember last year when it was down to the final three and Nicole told Monica she would take her to the final two if she got HOH because she didn't want Will to win anything? I think Lisa will see the light and take Jason. I'm hoping so anyway. (!!) |
Phillymom | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 06:31 am     I have to agree that Lisa's word doesn't mean all that much -- she hasn't made many deals, but she did make a deal with Dani for it to be her, Jason, and Dani as the final three, and then she made the other deal with Marcellas that they would be the final two. If Lisa wins this final HoH competition, I think she will definitely take Dani to the final two -- not because she gave her word to Dani, but because she realizes that she stands a better chance of winning against Dani than against Jason. |
Eliz87 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:09 am     You are right, Phillymom, about Lisa having a better chance of winning against Dani. However, I feel that Lisa's standards are a little higher than taking the person she feels she has a chance of winning against. I think this was proven during the cell phone competition. I believe Lisa will think, "Well, at least Jason held at for $15,000." The lesser of two evils, so to speak. I could be proven wrong, but I hope I'm not. |
Lisad | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:10 am     Letme - After Dani's near death experience in the pool During the convo between D & J while Lisa was showering, Dani flat out told Jason everything that Lisa said. She told him Lisa said that she'd take Dani into the final 2. So he knows. She then reiterated to Jason that he's her boy and will take him. Like Dani or not... I for one am damned impressed with her sticking with Jason like this. I didn't doubt it - but it's nice to see it happen. |
Letmeinthere | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:15 am     Lisa, I agree.. Dani will probably stick by Jason's side but she must be confident to know (or at least believe) that Lisa will take her to the final as well as Jason. Jason also supported Dani throwing HoH today so that she wouldn't have to keep her promise of taking Lisa with her to the finals. IMO, Dani played last night very well with Lisa. If Lisa sticks to her word then Dani doesn't have to worry about winning HoH on Saturday. The only loser here is Jason cause at this point he's playing for himself - Dani isn't going to even try to win HoH thus ensuring Jason is in the final 2.  |
Redgirl30 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:21 am     I think Lisa just might have a shot against Jason. Lisa votes: Marcellas, Eric, Tonya, Roddy, Josh(?) Jason votes: Gerry, Chiara, Lori, Danielle, Amy Ifthey both veto the right votes, Lisa has a chance, and who knows if it's a tie, cause then it's up to us! |
Eliz87 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:32 am     I think Chiara might actually vote for Lisa, out of guilt for what she did to her. Tonya and Chiara will vote together -- I have no doubt that they will talk about it beforehand and agree to vote the same way (they are both codependent-type personalities). There's a very small chance, too, that Amy would vote for Lisa after finding out about the D/J alliance. |
Victoriafla | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:49 am     I also think Chaira will vote for Lisa. Just a guilt thing. Is there a competion today and then another one on Saturday, I'm a little confused? Thankyou. |
Beserkknight2 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:39 am     All Danielle needs to do is throw the HOH's and hope that Lisa wins, then Lisa will evict Jason for her and take Dani to the final 2 - her only hope of winning BB3. (I hope she does NOT win - that Lisa takes Jason instead. |
Cassie | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:33 am     Victoriafla, yes there is a comp tonight and then the winner tonight vs Lisa on Saturday. |
Cricket | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:39 am     Lisa said in DR she'd take Dani to final two. Like many people, she doesn't feel she has a chance against Jason. If that were to happen, I'd like to think Dani would win. I am concerned about Jason/Dani discussing that Dani should throw this part of the HOH, though. They should both just go for it and see what happens. Jason has more to lose than Dani (although I'm not sure Dani realizes that.) |
Jaysgal | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:56 am     I think most evicted houseguests are underestimating Lisa and thought she was just riding on the so-called secret alliance's coattail. They were giving all of the credits to Jason and Danielle. Hence when they answered who they would vote for, they said either Jason or Danielle. But when asked who they wanted to win, they (e.g. Marcellas, Eric and Roddy) said Lisa. So, from all appearances, the repeated responses are coming from a presumption that Lisa will not be in the finals. Ask who they want to win, not who they think will win, they will most likely pick Lisa. As I said, once again, I am playing according to the inside game. Lisa has said inside how she was very sceptical about Danielle's claims with the DR enteries and how she thought people would be more willing to vote for the mum (Danielle) than the single lady (Lisa). Lisa said this too whilst conversing with Marcellas about forming a pact. Lisa saw Danielle's true colours and repeated attempts to justify her conduct. Marcellas stated the closeness between Jason and Danielle. And just when he was planning on breaking the two in bed, he was stabbed. Lisa witnessed it. She knows what is up. Jason was not nominated by Danielle, so it is clear what is going on. Danielle could have nominated Jason since she supposedly trusted Lisa. So, either she didn't trust Lisa to evict Amy or she had an alliance with Jason. From Thursday's show, we know that Lisa knows there's something between the two. Marcellas gave a big revelation to her. She's seen the light, even if not completely--sufficiently. As also stated by another poster, Lisa has spoken of the good people winning. Lisa has implicitly and explicitly revealed her belief in justice. I am convinced that that is her true belief. Loyalty comes first. She doesn't talk much but she thinks a lot in her mind. If Danielle was not loyal to Marcellas, even if it was in Lisa's interest, she will not be any more loyal to Lisa. Then justice takes over loyalty for Lisa. Funny Lisa also described Danielle as "threatening and scary". The reason I mentioned the external part of the game is because people were arguing that she has no chance against Jason realistically. As I said, she has every chance against Jason. Read previous post and first paragraph of this post. She would definitely score high for defeating the person people disliked and didn't figure to take care of much earlier (i.e., the dangerous player). That alone gives her complete merits. Jason would still be perceived as Danielle's agent, for he made no effort at any point to get rid of Danielle and he's said he was willing to sacrifice himself for Danielle (meaning he isn't so serious about winning the game). The only way Jason would win against Lisa is if the guys are all bent on a guy winning the game instead of a girl. As for Gerry, he would easily forgive Lisa. Her use of terms indicates that she doesn't necessarily know the meaning of things she says. And I'm sure she would be willing to apologise for her comments. About the whole female winning thing: There are two females in the final three. One female is guaranteed to advance to the final two. So, Lisa has nothing to worry about if she's the one female unless she assumes that she wouldn't win. If she does not assume that she would not win, then the subject of a female winning is moot. |
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