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Draheid

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tobor7: First, the most of Daniel's contemplation of answers was with her head bowed deeply in thought, IMO. Second, the angle of the cameras and the angle of the HG's view is considerably different. I doubt they could see the same reflections we were seeing on the show.

JMO - FWIW

Wendo

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tobor, but, Amy, Lisa, and Dani were in the dividers. Honestly, I'm sure the BB people probably checked that to make sure they couldn't see each other.

Ditto what Draheid said. (Don't think I've forgotten about my "special sauce" Dra. LOL!)

Gramma

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I read the EW Marcellas interview (in the outside of the house forum) that occurred right after mars eviction, and it caused me to raise an eyebrow when I read his answer to the question as to whether he had spoken to any of the other evicted houseguests.

He said, just one. Roddy had contacted him!!!!
Now..I also read (in same forum) in a Roddy interview that he said the evicted Hgs were all going to be sequestered for the last 2 weeks.

so I sez to meself..why? I mean they've had all this time to talk to each other (and Roddy contacting Marcellas of all people, tells me that's exactly what they've been doing).

Conspiracy theory.. Roddy is playing his game just as hard, if not harder, outside of the house as he was while inside. Dollars to donuts he's working hard as he can to ensure that Dani doesn't get any votes at all.

Can't see the value of this final 2 week sequestering. The barn door was already left open. The prize mare has already been boffed by a marauding stray ass. What's the point in closing the door now?

Draheid

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gramma: I took the Roddy comment about being sequestered as a misstatement in that he considers it being sequestered when ASP brings all the HG's back to LA for a few days to complete the Jury process. I suspect it's merely that he is required to stay in a hotel for a few days, maybe even a week, for the express purpose of preparing for the final show. I would imagine there are a lot of details to be ironed out that would require all the evicted HG's to be available for several days.

I don't know how Roddy was able to get in contact with Marcellas so quickly after his eviction, maybe Roddy left a # for Marcellas to call. Maybe ASP arranged the call. Who knows.

But the sequestering, IMO was just Roddy's misinterpretation of his obligation to ASP/BB.

JMO - FWIW

Zachsmom

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gramma..here is a the quote from Marci's exit interview..no where does it state that Roddy is the one who contacted him..We don't know who contacted who..

Who have you talked to from the house since you’ve been out?

Roddy. We talked about the deal he thought we had. But I didn’t think we had one. I was waiting for him to come and firm it up because we never shook on it. He wanted to start an alliance [in the jacuzzi], but by that time I so distrusted him and knew he had so many other alliances…. He was looking amazing. I’m sitting there in my bathroom and pajamas. I got every single second of that [Roddy in his bathing suit]. It is burned onto my retina. I close my eyes and see it.

Tobor7

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ok.

Mollywood

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If it were truly just big brother, they wouldnt have pshychologists working to cast the show, and probably devise some of the stunts they use in competition. My tiny bit of show biz knowledge tells me that these psychs are either part of a really strong union, or they are needed for the show to be good.lol

Mollywood

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What happens in a case like Dani and Jason going to the final two...do you think they have made some sort of deal between them that once they are in the final two, they will split the money,since both shared equally in the alliance to get them there? and is that permitted?

Crossfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Newp.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's against the rules Molly.

Grannygrunt

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Jason wins, can't he use some of the money to "buy" or "give" Dani something? Seems like I remember Tina buying a motorcycle for what's his name. Couldn't Jason if he wanted to give Dani a down payment on a house? I know they can't split the money but I think he could do something for her if he chooses. Maybe there is a limit on how much the winner can spend.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think any of that is allowed Granny. 'Course I've never read the rules.

I thought that there was only talk of Tina promising Colby a bike, but she never bought one. Rosie O'Donnel bought Colby a bike as one of her 'gifts' she gives out at her show.

It seems at the end of survivor Sean made a lot of comments about wishing Vecepia could give him money but that she couldn't. BB is a whole different show, so we can't be sure, but I don't think they can share.

Interesting tidbit: During the last MTV Road Rules/Real World competition the contestants agreed to to share, and later on when interviewed they all said they had without incident.

I think CBS wants BB3 and Survivor to be more cut-throat.

Secretsmile

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What about Roddy, all the evictees have spoken with Roddy, that man is still playing the game on the outside. ROFLMAO, he's gonna win the game by choosing the winner!

Draheid

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Listening to Danielle & Lisa right now, I think Jason & Amy are NOT on a cruise, they are in the control room watching EVERYTHING going on right now!!!

Tobor7

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Draheid--
Now that would make it REALLY interesting!!

Tobor7

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 04:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The TV Clubhouse is really owned by CBS.

(If this post is gone then you know it is true!)

(But then again, if they don't take it off it could be reverse psychology.)

Corriecat

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 04:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Shhhh Tobor! You don't want everyone to find out that Ryn is Arnold Shapiro.

Ruditoo

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 05:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've wanted to get this out ever since it became known that Roddy had met with Tonya in Vegas. Dime thru a donut Marciellas and Tonya aren't the only ones Roddy has approached. GRAMMA and SECRETSMILE I agree Roddy could not stop playing the game and never has. And most of us Know he has an agenda with everyword that comes out of his mouth(pity). He can't let Danielle beat him! He considers Danielle his Nemesis and he wants to beat her anyway he can. Choosing who the others vote for is Roddy through and through. Nameing him a JIM JONES as one of the HG did was right on. He's the kind of politician that has given politicians a bad name. I've had to question his level of sanity watching and listening to his interactions with 'everyone'. The good part is all the HG in the H now deserve to be there and winners.

Kador

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A few more examples of biased competitions...

Marcellas' first HoH win. All the questions were about the decorations and furniture in the house. Hmmm.. not wanting to stereotype, but we KNOW that Marcellas would notice these things more than anyone else. He does claim to be a "Stylist". It was a pretty dramatic win, having him saved from sure eviction by Gerry's veto and then goes on to win the next HoH.

The "surfing" competition for the cruise. Just last week we had Amy and Jason easily beating everyone else in a "balancing" competition (the board on head thing) and now they have ANOTHER competition that requires a good sense of balance. Who wins? Of course it's easily Jason and Amy once again.

Ruditoo

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kador, I'll add one more. Who was the only HG with a high or long enough straddle to step over the light beams? Marcellas

Costacat

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 06:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
*I* think there's a big conspiracy going on somewhere. WHY did CBS let MY question -- with the trailer "you've GOT to win HOH" go thru in the chat? And then they didn't show it on TV tonight? Coincidence? I think NOT!

LOL, Meggie! Beat ya to it! <snicker>

Meggieprice

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yesterday our very own Costacat/SueH had her question given to Lisa on the AC chat.(Yay Sue!) It was the one about there being female fans, but it included the line "YOU HAVE to win HOH" and Lisa said, "I know I have to and I will be surprised if I don't"

Well, I was thinking about it, and I am surprised CBS let that through as it implies that she has to win because Jason and Dani won't take her to the final two. We know that is likely true, but that came pretty darn close to confirming it to Lisa. It is possible that CBS wants her to win HOH and let that through to give her even more of a nudge in case she was thinking Dani or Jason might take her.

Meggieprice

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Costa, that wasn't the conspiracy I meant. Though your question not being on the show tonight would make sense if they are trying ot hide the fact they let some outside contact re:strategey get to one of the HG.

Meggieprice

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 03:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Am I paranoid or is it all this time in bed?

The pool we have seen in the backyard with the three boats sure looks like an HOH comp stacked against Lisa to me. She gets motion sickness, sea sickness.

Sassylady

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 03:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Didn't Dani say earlier that Black people are uncomfortable in water? Have they seen the pool in the backyard? Or were they discussing the Tub comp? From what I read it came out of the blue... Trouble with reading and not seeing and hearing.

Auntiedotcom

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 03:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yeah, both dani and lisa have problems with boats. dani has said if swimming is involved, she is in trouble.

i think CBS knows AMERICA wants Jason to be a SURE member of the final two.

i am beginning to wonder if amy and jason cut some sort of secret deal on the sunset cruise, and amy is not going out tonight.

Auntiedotcom

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 07:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
foth and then suddenly jason in shower? what's up with that?

Flyonthwall

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason let go just before the last rain shower, he was reaching to grab his hat.
I saw him on cam 4 as did several others.
The rain had started and was loud, so maybe they waited to go FOTH until it stopped.
I was wondering if they would or let it slide.

He was out of the pool and told L and D he was going to take a hot shower...then said Sorry, I'm an idiot!

Bohawkins

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The final HoH competition was a set-up.

The producers positioned each houseguest where their key was going to be. That was prearranged. The result was that whenever the wind machine blew, it was actually a rest for Lisa, because it blew her boat toward the key box. Jason and Danielle were being blown away from the key box. Arnold Shapiro obviously rigged the competition so that Lisa will get in the top two scores for Saturday's final eviction.

When the wind machine was turned on, the direction of the gale gave Lisa's boat an advantage, because her boat hit the key box, while the other boats where being blown away from the key box. A lot less resistance was required by Lisa, and therefore much less strength was used, and less energy had to be expended. Consider from your own experience, if you have ever done any kind of repetitive exercise, like lifting weights. If you were to add an extra ounce, with enough repetitions, you'll notice it. You will definitely be able to do more of a lighter weight.

These are TV producers with no integrity. For Saturday's show they need Lisa in the top
two competing for HoH. The producers will do whatever is necessary to make sure
that happens. In setting up the boats this way, they fixed this competition, similar to the way they fixed the Amy balancing act and the Marcellas laser grid events.

Meggieprice

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 07:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK- Now I really do think CBS does have a hand in things. My thought about letting our very own Costacats question in the chat with Lisa, which included "You HAVE to win HOH" has borne fruit tonight. Lisa never told the others about it.During their tell each other everything talk a little while ago Lisa told Dani about it, and that they had said HAVE to, all caps. It told her that J/D were a team and that she was on her own. They let it through to the chat!

Bbnana

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Glad there is this topic. I was reading the LFP's and saw the following two posts and am convinced that this game was scripted/setup or whatever and that Lisa is a CBS plant in the house and no matter what, Dani will when by at least 1 vote. It makes me sad, we have been rooting for Lisa from the beginning.

<first post from auntidotcom>
lisa says, at the cast party, i will tell you something. this is how it was going to be.

i know it doesn't make you feel any better, but it will.

trying to catch more, i am only here for about ten mins until someone else can come

This post from Alegria

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 07:21 pm
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D: lisa did you have plans to take someone to the end with you
L: yes, you!
d: from when
L: from before I walked into the house [pause]...quick FOTH...[subject dropped]

what do you all think?

Lizardsamongus

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
On the credits tonight there was a credit for a Terry Donahue. That is Lisa's last name also. Maybe a coincidence?

Crossfire

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa's father perhaps? He was on the show.