Archive through September 09, 2002
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Archive through September 09, 2002
Sanfranjoshfan | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:58 pm     One can't *totally* separate a HG between who they are inside and outside the house. The personality traits that they display in the house are traits they brought in from outside...after all, they weren't *born* in the house. They each have a previous life experience that makes them who and what they are. If that were not true, then Marcellas and Jason would behave identically...after all, they are both in the exact same ruthless citthroat enviroment. I don't think people are stating that Danielle is lying to her husband and children or scheming to trick her friends out of money. But Dani's penchant for trash talking behind people's backs is something that she came in with....she was doing it the very first week regarding Gerry. Jason has been in the house the same amount of time and he has NOT done that kind of trash talking....HIS personality is based on working hard to not do that kind of thing. Hopefully, Dani will learn that her behavior is hurtful and possibly change it...so there is a chance she would not take that same behavior back home. Watching the tapes could show her how unnatractive it is. JMO |
Wendo | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 12:41 am     Sanfran, that's fine, but according to this threads guidelines, talking about who she is outside the house isn't appropriate here. Any other thread, I say fine, have at it. But in this thread, can't we abide by the moderators request? Since it is, afterall, their board. We are only guests here, I don't think it's too much to ask. |
Snee | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 12:56 am     mod-vader, i agree with everything you said. now, after wandering around the thread for a bit...*shrug* i like her. |
Tab | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 01:17 am     Danielle is a great actress! She portrays her character as a expert manipulator and deciever. She shields her personality so well that I can't tell how she is as a 'real' person. Although I don't particularly like the character she is playing, I do think she is clever and has a good chance to make it to the final two.(better?) :-) |
Alegria | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 04:34 am     Dani is very smart and soooooo good at using the correct approach with a person she wants to influence that she must have practiced that skill a lot. She does not seem to have any self doubt about her methods and seems super focussed on the end-game. She has helped others when they can do her good as well and if she perceives that someone has lost their usefulness, buh-bye. Her dr entries, as edited for the show, have mainly been Roddy bashing or about how Jason is her boy, while also showing her countdown of the departed. Since that is a clip used every week it sure does build suspense about whether the producers expect her to be in the final two. To me it looks like a done deal. The only reason I would like to see Daniell in the last couple would be to catch her expression when the other person wins. Better than that would be for her to be in the final three and then pushed off the raft. I'd rewatch that bit of tape a few times <evilgrin>. If the others don't wise up to her soon their clulessness will hand it up to Dani on a platter. She definitely is looking more tightly wound these days and I think as it heads towards crunch time she might have a mini-meltdown. The fact that her alliance with Jason is so secret has served her perfectly as Dani never gets the blame for any of his choices. The tapes will out her on that and affect the final votes. I would avoid her in rl and would really be uneasy if she were my boss or colleague. Her methods of career advancement would likely be at the expense of others. Just to keep the world safe, she should stay in the house <nervousgrin>. As a side comment, her saying she missed sex most instead of her kids, weeeell - I'm sure the girls appreciated that. Bet her husband took a lot of ribbing. Dani does not behave like a typical role-model-mom but that could be because she was so young when she had her first and she is still very young, herself. Considering her age, Danielle has come far in life and played well the cards she has been dealt. She has also kept the game hopping. It would be a lot more boring with out such a cunning schemer on board. Her I.Q. is probably high. |
Gramma | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 09:45 am     A reality game exists that has an end prize of $500K that is awarded to the one HG who can out-wit and out-last all the others, after having spent over 2 months living in a confined, artificial, stressful environment with 11 other people who also want the prize. A married woman with a family who has worked hard all her life to provide a good home for her family sees this and decides she'd like to go for it. That $500K could be life altering for her and her family and she thinks she has the chutzpah (sp?) to maybe pull it off. It's worth giving up 2 months of her regular life and living under stressful conditions to give it a try. So..she goes into it with one fixed goal in mind. Make it to the end at any costs. Stay focussed on the game.. don't forget it's a game, don't forget "it's business", don't slip and let your emotions rule your intelligence, hope like heck that others WILL slip and forget what the game is about. Hope like heck that they have enough personal issues that they'll become entangled in their emotions and self-esteem issues with the other 11 strangers and lose their focus. Stay true to yourself and your goals and don't forget that your aim is to be the last person standing. Never forget why you're there. You're not there to make friends. You're there to win the prize. You don't need those people in your life. You need them out of the game. That's the game. Dani has focus. Dani knows and loves herself and so doesn't need validation from 11 strangers to stay focussed. That's her winning card. She's a gamer. I say good for her. If the other HGs are also gamers and don't fall victim to their own emotional egos at the end, they'll tip their hat to her ability to stay true to her goal and vote her the money. If not, if their egos are too fragile to deal with the bruises they've received, she'll have to settle for $50K which still will be a nice tidy little sum for a summer job. None of us are perfect, and under the circumstances of being in the BB environment, we'd all probably be a lot less perfect than we were to begin with. With no access to outside influences or stimuli, we might even find ourselves slipping into a situation where we gossip. This isn't R/L. It's a contrived situation that's designed to unravel the emotions of the players self-esteem and cause them to lose their focus. BB sees that Dani has a will of steel. I say good for her. She'll make it to the end because she's played the hardest and smartest game and deserves to. She hasn't played anyone else's game. She's playing her own game. I hope her final speech to the jury knocks their socks off and sends them all into a last minute moment of clarity and therefore, change of heart. You go girl. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 10:39 am     Tab - I think if Danielle was simply "acting" and staying in character 24/7 (an extremely difficult job, especially for an amateur), then she should get the Emmy for ALL-TIME best actress in the role of evil manipulator. Of course, as far as I know, she has no acting experience and this is the first time she has ever been in a situation like this. She seems to have totally nailed her character for a first time, amateur "actress". <sarcasm> I just think her hurtful trash talking comes way to easily to her to all be an "act"....she must have had plenty of rehearsal time to be that "gooooood".  |
Wendo | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 10:58 am     Gramma, EXCELLENT! Perhaps you should write her speech to the jury. |
Gramma | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 12:19 pm     Why TY Wendo! I'd rather see her speech be a group effort, put together by all her "coaches". LOL. I suggested as much in the dani coach thread. If no one has started off a speech for her yet over there, I guess I ciuld repost part of this there, as the beginning of her speech. once again, TY. Even if we feel we don't need validation, it still always feels good to get it. |
Costacat | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 12:38 pm     Why can't I post what I dislike about Danielle here? That's MY OPINION, and I'm entitled to it. Why can't I post what I think her behaviour is like outside, based on what I see inside? Again, that's my opinion. I don't like Danielle. I think she thinks she's better than anyone else there, and the pity family card ain't cutting it with me. Yeah, duh, $500K would help anyone (but that is not enough to "change the life" in this day and age). I agree with SanFran... she ain't acting. This is Danielle, pure and simple. Maybe a bit overblown on occasion. But there is no way she would be "acting" like this 24/7 without having a meltdown. For three months. All of this is my opinion, to which I am entitled. And since this is an opinion thread, I am entitled to post here. |
Mollywood | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 12:39 pm     THIS WOMAN HAS NO SHAME!! she just said to j and l. "i dont know if i told you this, but if i win i might have another child" (all meanigful) thank heaven J said, NO you did tell us that..tee hee...ok, race card/played god card/played poverty card/played poor me i missed out on things cause i had kids early/card...now it heavy full on motherhood...honestly i feel as sorry for her kids as for tanyos..chances are tanyas kids dont even know she was on the show..i know i would have to really think if i wanted to keep the money if i want, i think i would be tempted to make sure there would be more little danilees in the world" NOT |
Mollywood | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 12:41 pm     Now she is saying how Javier always wanted a boy..and she felt bad she just had girl, girl. bla bla...im having a telethon..lets all give money to enable dani to have a boy!!! and lipo suction too!!! |
Llkoolaid | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 12:44 pm     I think Danielle is playing the best game. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 12:47 pm     Mollywood - I caught that too...it's like she was subtley saying "If you don't let me win, the result will be the loss of a beautiful child in this world." Jeez....talk about preying on others' weak spots! Luckily Jason didn't buy it...he told her "Oh you might have another baby anyhow." But Dani said that she wouldn't....that another baby for her is dependent upon her finances (meaning the 500K prize). What a piece of work! |
Puzzled | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 01:00 pm     How low can you get? Great thing for a daughter to hear, too... |
Mollywood | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 01:05 pm     Danielle creating the calandar is almost more than i can bare..she pictures l. straddeling a chair with her hair thrown to the side and color color on her lips... Sanfran, this is the first time i have felt sorry for lisa, if she is an artist, she must have been jumping out of her skin at danielles playboy/bible concepts. please lord..strike the devil down..and not the cute hunky one..the other one actually i think this is getting biblical..i feel jason is rising up to expose the true satan and take that b down!!! . |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 01:16 pm     Mollywood - Well, ya gotta give Dani credit on one thing...she is supposedly an ad exec of some kind, so her calendar ideas might actually sell....although they do sound really tacky and cheesy (no offense to Amy! LOL). In this country, tacky and cheesy often win out over substance and meaning in the market place. |
Chipster | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 01:19 pm     I don't believe for a minute that you can separate the hg's inside/outside the house. They are who they are and fall into character after the initial few days. Dani is Dani. The hateful stuff she has said about other hg's has not had a thing to do with playing the game. And, she uses people for her own benefit while convincing them that she really likes them. I doubt she likes anyone in the house. She is a great actress though. She must get whiplash getting called to the DR for a warm/fuzzy farewell speech in the middle of trashtalking the same person. Smart? I don't think so or she wouldn't have alienated the evictees by her condescending attitude in the DR. What? Did noone tell her she's on candid camera? She doesn't deserve to win IMO. |
Wiseolowl | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 01:38 pm     Hopefully , if they wish it these young singles on the show will marry, have families ,get a decent home furnish it , educate their children bla bla bla. Danni certainly has a head start on them . Seems they could choose to remind her of that and the money would help them do it. The fallacy of her argument is that they are all frozen in time and only she needs it NOW. |
Wendo | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 01:42 pm     No one is saying that you can't post your opinion about Dani here, even if it's a negative one. All the moderator (and owners of the board) have requested is that we "keep the real life person out of it, we don’t truly know the real person." It's one thread out of how many on this board about Dani. Can't we as a group respect the moderators request? On topic, it seems Dani is pulling out every card and tool she can to try and win, for sure. Don't know how well it will play to the jury though. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 07:59 pm     I just saw Dani dancing in the HOH room....she DOES remind me of Elaine dancing (Seinfeld) like someone posted on the board earlier! LOL |
Squaredsc | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 08:59 am     since the other thread about dani and a quilt was moved here, i will comment bout that here. i don't think dani cares about not getting a quilt. a lot of people didn't like monica from last year. yes she generalizes about "black folk". to be honest i do also. but i don't know the context of her statements since i don't have the feeds. rozmatoz i am curious to know what you felt about sean from the last survivor and his statements regarding "black folk". and dani's version of "going ghetto" is totally different from my version of "going ghetto". 'cause to me, imo, it means getting straight gangsta. i am a dani supporter and think she is representin ok. jmo fwiw |
Cathie | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 09:00 am     I'm late in responding, but I also heard the conversation yesterday about having another baby if she won the money. What struck me was the way she emphasized the word 'might'. I immediately thought she was creating a way out of actually having to go through with the plan if she won. In a year or two when the other HG are looking for Javier Jr (who she pointed out would be the only male child to carry on the family name) she could remind them that she just said she 'might' have another child, lol. She's always thinking, that Dani... |
Marcieb | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 09:51 am     Rozmatoz -- In all the confusing images portrayed in movies & TV, it was terrific to read how a "real" American woman of African heritage feels about all this. Thanks for telling it straight; it's given me a lot to think about. My opinion of Dannie is that she'll do anything for this money including compromising what we hope her morals would be. She has such a great story behind her (finishing school despite a very young pregnancy, bringing what seems to be a greaty girl into the world, marrying a man she loves and giving him a daughter, working hard...) that she could be a true role model to many young girls. Wanting the American dream is what we all teach our kids to strive for. Maybe it just shouldn't be at all costs. |
Rozmatoz | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 10:45 am     Square, I thought Shawn was upfront about his feelings toward the other contestants and did not smile or fake friendships with people and then stab them in the back. Survivor is all about editing and so what we saw was not the entire picture so it is hard to compare the two. I work in the judicial system and getting 'ghetto' and 'gangster' has landed quite of few people behind bars. After 40 years on this earth I have yet to have a confrontation with someone that evolved in me losing my self-esteem and self-control. If I can't work a situation out with productive communication then I walk away. And since Danielle proclaims her spirtuality as often as possible, I don't remember Jesus having to get 'ghetto' when he was faced with adversities. |
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