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Cindyluvsroddy

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Dani was truly smart, she would of kept Marcy around a bit longer ...

There is no way that Dani can win against any of the remaining HG's ...

I am rooting for lisa ...

Fruitbat

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani and Jason have not been keeping Lisa abreast of *all* of their plans. I am not sure they see her voting for Amy and anything disloyal. She is in the loop but only on the edge.

I see Lisa as the one more likely to take Dani to the end. Amy has a soft spot for men and she is emotionally hooked on being loved by them. She wants to have a date with Jason to go to a fair. She is easily swayed so not a sure bet, even when she gives her word. I like her, just stating the facts as I see them.

She is strong competition to win the final HOH as well. A very good and determined competitor.

Bohica

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ericka1012

I didn't see that but I would assume that if there was an agreement to have a tie vote, Danni would have wanted to be the one to vote to keep Marcellas. Danni and Marcellas have had a "deal" for a much longer time that Marcellas had with Lisa. Unless Jason and Danielle were worried about Lisa double crossing them and retaining Marcellas.

Wendo

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bigbrotherbelle said, "I think that Amy will be evicted because Jason does not believe that Amy deserves to be in the final 3."

Actually, he said the other day that he felt Amy does deserve to be there. She got back in, has been up countless times, and has proven that she can survive. I was surprised he said it, but he did say that she deserves to be in the game.


Bohica said, "After Danni's nominations, Jason would also be smart to make a deal with Amy."

He won't do that. No way. Her winning HOH proved to him that she was doing everything she could to protect him. He knew he was exposed and knew his hope of staying in the game rested squarely on her shoulders. No way will he make a deal with Amy.


Puzzled said, "It's one thing to lie to those who don't trust you anyway, but she *used* his trust, the most precious thing there is."

But he sold out her trust to Roddy weeks ago. What did she owe him? Nothing. Had he not betrayed her weeks ago, I think Mar would still be in that house tonight. You can't pin this on Dani, Mar has no one to blame but himself. He played the game poorly. (And stupidly since he didn't use the GPoV.)

Bigbrotherbelle

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, I did not hear Jason hear that myself, but I did hear him say that she did not deserve to win. Was he talking to Amy or to others when he said that?

Wendo

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly Bohica. I think that's why Dani voted for Mar's eviction, they thought there was a chance that Lisa would double cross them.

Did you all notice how many times Lisa apologized tonight? (And in front of Amy no less. LOL!) She knows she screwed up royally. I'm sure she's kicking herself now.

Wendo

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BBbelle, he was talking to Danielle.

Lizardsamongus

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No matter how Lisa voted she was going to go next. Danielle is loyal to Jason first and foremost. When Lisa came on board she said to Danielle there will come a time when we will be on different teams. Once they get to the final 3 it is each person for himself.

Cindyluvsroddy

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
bump

Bigbrotherbelle

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 09:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh well, Jason said again last night that Marcellas deserved to be there over Amy... I guess he keeps flipping, but I do think he would rather take Lisa to the final three cause "she deserves it."

Allietex

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 10:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gee, Jason has two women who are going to be trying to get his vote this week. Think they are going to be giving him some extra TLC? LOL

Spear

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 10:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone else think Lisa was lying when she said she wanted Marcellas to win GPOV? I'm pretty sure that DR entry was done after the competition and I think she really did misunderstand the rules (as she said on the feeds). I thought the DR entry was just to avoid looking too stupid and instead look brilliant by "predicting" Marcellas' win.

I guess it's the same way I feel about Vecepia claiming to have orchestrated Hunter's eviction on Survivor IV.

C1mag

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've not had too much negative to say about Lisa's game up until last night. She pulled a Chiara and I don't mean by voting to evict Amy. It was her suck up afterwards. It's the crap about feeling bad and misunderstanding that Marcellus was the one too go.

She is lying through her teeth and she looks pathetic trying to cover her cute little behind. Dani, Jason and Lisa had a conversation in the bathroom on Sunday that clearly pointed to a Marc eviction if he stayed on the block. They all agreed and so did Lisa. There is no way Dani is buying that she misunderstood it. Will it cost Lisa a shot at final 3? I'm still on the fence over that and need some more time to see if it did any real damage. I'm leaning towards Lisa reluctantly getting that third spot as promised by Jason and here is why...

Jason will be the lone person to evict and so it will be his call. He's into keeping his word and he did give his word that Lisa would be in the final three with him and Dani. However, that could change if Dani points out that Lisa broke her promise to boot Marc. Then there is the problem with keeping amy in and taking her on for that fial hoh. They all know she has the ability to win it. That could really screw things up for him and Dani. Lisa on the other hand has not done so well in those comps. Of coarse in this game you can't alway underestimate someones chances. It's like I said it's gonna be a tough call for Jason because he has too look at how it will set up a final two for him and Dani. In the end I think the one staying will be Lisa.

I still think that what Lisa pulled after trying to keep marc for her own benefit was a very very stupid move on her part but even worse in trying to cover it all up and play dumb. It just makes her look stupid appologizing for it. Dani and Jason already know what she was trying too pull. You have to admire her for giving it a shot but then you also wanna smack her because it makes her look stupid.

I know that many keep coming out of the house saying they want Lisa to win but I still say she is the biggest liar of the remaining players and has probably said the most damaging comment about any houseguest thus far when she called Gerry a pedifile. It should be interesting how she does in this game from here on out. I just wish she would stop appologizing and stop playing dumb.

Kellirippa

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 12:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone recall, I thought about a week, maybe a little more ago, that Lisa made a comment to Danielle (now that I think of it, I think it was just before Roddy left) that maybe they should just play the game for themselves now. Does anybody remember that?

C1mag

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 12:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kell Lisa did make the comment that once they got to final three they should play it out for themselves. They had two tasks left... Get out Marc first ( Which Lisa was fully aware of ) and then Amy. Then she had no promise to anyone about who she would pick for the finals. No problem in that. Big problem in trying to play dumb over trying to keep Marcellus.

Becca

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Everyone keeps on saying Jay screwed over Dani by not nominating Roddy. I don't think so at all. Dani and him talked it over, and she said she'd be okay, because she had enough support in the house to stay. Jay knew that Gerry would most certainly nominate and have him evicted if he stayed in the house, there was no doubt in Jay's mind about this. He knew that he was more in danger than Dani of going if he was ever nominated because of the type of person he was.

Jay voted to evict Roddy the next week, a pure sign that he DID have Danielle's back. There was no doubt in Jay's mind that Roddy had to go. IN fact, Jay would have voted out Roddy over Chiara if he had a choice but Dani made him see how important that is. He also voted to evict Eric which put him in danger as well with roddy and Chiara. He was very close to being nominated because of it.

Jay and Dani have very different game playing styles, but don't think Jay hasn't played his part. Joining the six, put him in danger, as soon as he had to double crossed them, and he double Crossed them for Dani and his alliance. He was the one who joined an alliance and played double agent. Jay hasn't been just carried by Danielle, he's done his part.

People here truly aren't giving Jay enough credit.
Lisa's going this week, I think her vote to evict amy, freaked Dani and Jay out. They will vote her out.

Bernie

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa has been so coochy coo with Jason since last night-rather obviously IMHO, but the compliments have been flying fast and furious regarding her fab looks. She's been doing the little girl thing, so her campaign is well under way. Since she told Dani the other day that Jason was getting on her nerves, it may not help her, if Dani sees through it and gives Jason a nudge against her. My radar was quivering last night doing LFPs and listening to Lisa-sickly sweet, blech.

Misslibra

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 04:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa is playing a game just like the rest of them, and I don't fault her at all for using what ever she can, and to do what ever it takes to stay in the game. Just like everyone else has done. Also both Danielle and Lisa were complaining about Jason being snippy. Lisa wasn't the only one.

Lisa also said maybe it's me and not him because she is PMSing. And during that time take it from me little things that people do gets on your nerves, or should I say your a heck of a lot more sensitive during that time. You also have to remember they all were on PB&J, so maybe Jason was a little more irritable, heck they all were.

Lisa better be sweet in fact she should pour a little honey on her tongue when she talk to Jason to make sure it's even sweeter. She's no fool and she knows to stay in the game Danielle and Jason are the two in power, and she needs to do everything it takes to keep them on her good side.

Lisa voting for Marcellas to stay have been discussed between Jason, Danielle and Lisa. And it wasn't the big deal everyone has made it out to be. Besides the the smart girl that Lisa is she covered her tracks well with them. In this game you have to be a good actress. Lisa is playing her part well. And I think she playing a good game. I'm sure Lisa felt Gerry's comments were very disrespectful as well since he was the father figure in the house. So if you want to blame someone blame them both.

Dani and Jason have told Lisa she is safe with them and they are the final three... YAY!! I hope she wins this game. If not her then Jason either one would be fine with me. And Jason kind of like Lisa, you can tell by him always telling her how good she looks, so if Lisa uses that to her advantage and flirts with him a little, so what!

I hope she pulls out every trick she has in her little bag and use them all. I see nothing wrong with that in a game like this. I say to Lisa make your game moves, and work it like you never work it before. Can you tell I'm a Lisa fan? :)

Cindyluvsroddy

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
bump

Adrian

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I see nothing wrong with Lisa playing this game and beat Danielle & Jason in their own game.

But what is funny is the obvious biases (& double standard) of some posters here against Danielle and making Lisa as the pure & innocent HG and who is totally honest & loyal to everyone (or short of declaring her to be a saint in this game).

Strategically, I do admire her for not taking the $$$ bribe. But I'm not buying it that she did that because she is an honest and loyal person. She knew that the four of them are already a close group and very open to each other thus everyone will eventually know who took it and who did not (which was basically what happened).

She is as dishonest & disloyal (her failed coup with Marcellas is one of the proofs) like the other players.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying Lisa should not do that or she is a bad person, in fact, she is playing a great game. Let's just state facts.

BTW, the HGs are dishonest & no real sense of loyalty only in PLAYING THIS GAME (NOT IN REAL LIFE).

Meggieprice

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I gained a lot of admiration for Lisa the person in the phone/bribe comp.

However, if Lisa the game player really thought Marc was her hope- why the heck didn't she tell him to use the veto? I just don't think she is playing a great game.

Adrian

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa refused Julie's $ offer (because for sure J & D will know), she did not refuse the possible $$$ offered by Marcellas (because for sure no one will know that because Marcellas is so mad at Jason).

Adrian

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa did not know that Marcellas is that STUPID.

LISA IS NOT THAT STUPID TOO, IF MARCELLAS USES THE GPOV, JASON WILL SURELY NOMINATES HER IN PLACE OF MARCELLAS. SHE WOULD'NT RISK THAT CHANCE BEING EVICTED TOO RIGHT?

Wcv63

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe the only one who has a lock on being in the final two at this stage of the game is Dani. Lisa and Jason both NEED to win HOH in order to assure themselves that second seat before the jury. It's all a matter of luck and circumstances from here on out. The time for strategy has come and gone.

I really don't have anything against Lisa. I just feel that Jason and Dani have played a better game from the beginning and therefore are more deserving of being 1 and 2. Lisa truly did just exist in the house until Eric was evicted.

Ginger

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not understanding why so many have interpreted Lisa's vote to keep Marcellas as a betrayal of her alliance with Dani and Jason. Clearly, it was the OTHER way around--Lisa felt betrayed that they hadn't kept her in on the loop about voting Marcellas out. It was clear that their agreement was to evict Amy (they were assuming Marc would use the veto on himself and Lisa would be put up). Even Dani admitted this when she told Lisa that she didn't have "time to sign" on the live show before the voting. Dani and Jason made the plan to boot Marcellas. They didn't need to keep Lisa in the loop. And now Lisa has picked up on this fact--as we saw on last night's show--and she knows that there is something between Dani and Jason.

I was glad they ran that whole segment last night. Ever since Thursday, when Lisa's "betrayal" has been discussed here, I've been thinking...WHAT?