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Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 01:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This thread is to discuss player strategies for winning the Big Brother game or predicting its outcome. No bashing of the character of the houseguests will be allowed in this thread. You may discuss houseguest actions and lies that can affect the outcome of the game, just leave out the value judgments on the character of the player

Spunky

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 01:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No one yet for Danielle??

Okay, looks like she has it all figured out but my advice to her is keep doing what your're doing best.....throw HOH and win POV.

Wendo

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
At this point in Danielle's strategy, I think she needs to EARN back the respect of the eventual jury. Her strategy playing the game has been right on target, however, I think her gossiping in the house will likely hurt her.

So, my question is, is it even possible for her to earn back the jury's respect, and, if so, how?

I honestly can't think of what she can do. Anyone?

Spunky

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She has to improve her DR entries with the intention of making the Jury see the purpose of her moves and sometimes of her lies.
Would they buy that?? Mmmmmm

Crazydog

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It may be a little too late for her, but Danielle needs to shut up with all her "devil" talk and her cockiness in the DR. She needs to stop acting like she already knows she has won the money. Her eviction countdown is particularly harmful. I agree that she needs to say something about how she knows she has played hard and may have said things that were not nice, but hopes they respect her as a player.

Spunky

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I never did like her keeping score in the DR and so she should stop doing that or it will jinx her in the end.

Hawaiiandew

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Danielle made a good start last night. She was talking of all the good things about Gerry and Chiara with Lisa & Amy. She was clarifying why she didn't like certain aspects of their game playing and rationalizing the whole thing out. If those evicted houseguests can see more of this from her, they may forgive her.

Also, she will need to stress to the jury that she was ultimately loyal to Jason. She has a fighting chance to win the whole thing if she is up against Marc or Amy, but she won't take either one of them with her to the top because of her loyalty to Jason. Hopefully, the jury will see that as good character.

I think too that she may never get HOH---hey it worked for Will.

Spunky

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And the Jury may just change their mind. Why?? Because they'll realize that Danielle worked harder than Jason...

Gramma

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 03:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I want Dani to win. That said, this is what I'd like to see her do.

Win HOH tonight and nom Amy and Mar. Encourage Jason and Lisa to evict Amy and let Mar know that's the plan. POV would be meaningless because no one but Amy would use it.

With Amy gone and a final 4 of herself, Jason, Mar & Lisa, she's golden whoever wins HOH. Even if she's nominated she won't go. 1 of the following will then play out ;

Mar wins HOH and puts up Lisa & Jason or Lisa & Dani. If Lisa & Jason are up, Dani evicts Lisa, who will sadly understand the hard choice Dani had to make. If Mar noms Dani & Lisa (which I doubt he'd do) , Jason would evict Lisa. I seriously doubt Mar would nom dani & Jason. He believes in the M-D-J end. This would not be a bad way for things to be for dani at that point. In fact, she should be trying for this scenerio. Leaves hers and Jason's hands clean.

Lisa wins HOH and puts up Mar & Dani. Jason votes to evict Mar, who sadly understands. Lisa wins HOH and noms Mar & Jason ( less probable, because Dani would ask her to put herself up against Mar).. Dani votes out Mar. This is a worse case scenerio. She needs to convunce Mar & Jason how much they need this one.

Jason wins HOH and wants to put up Mar & Lisa. Dani will ask him to put herself up against... LISA, so Mar can vote her out.

Why? Dani can win against Mar. I don't think she can win against Lisa.

Now we have a final of Dani - Jason - Mar , unless Lisa won HOH, in which case we have a Dani- Jason - Lisa.

If there is a D-J-L final 3, it will mean Lisa was HOH and won't be eligible for the final HOH.
Either D or J would win HOH and boot Lisa. Dani would come in second place to Jason. $50K's not bad pay for 2 months summer job.

If it's a D-J-M final 3 (twice as likely as the D-J-L final 3), Dani needs to throw the HOH so that it's up to M or J to make the decision. Either would choose Dani to go up against. If it's J & D, see above. 50K nor bad. If it's M&D, I think Dani has a chance at the big prize.

so.. Dani needs to set her sites on being in a final 2 with Marcellas for hope of a win or tie.

Any way you look at it, Dani has at least 50K.. but they need to boot wild-card Amy first! She also should want to win HOH tonight. Hope she wakes up and smells that coffee before tonights competition!

Jagger

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 03:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It will be really hard for Danny to win at this point, well at least take the big prize. The only way she can do this is have AMy win tonight, nominate Mars and Lisa or Jason, eliminate Mars. Next have Lisa win and put up Jason and Amy, Danny would vote to evict Jason, this would leave the final 3 L/D/A. Danni win final Hoh, eliminate L.

She would have to pray that the hgs give her the money just because they don't think it was fair to allow Amy back in the house.

Spunky

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 03:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mmmm
Granny... I like your scenarios.. but for now I'll concentrate on one week at a time...
I will have to re-read your strategies for later weeks later on...

It'be nice if she won't have a choice but to win HOH tonight, just to stir things up... however, she already said she'll dive another one and I don't think she needs to win HOH tonight for her later goals.

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 03:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gramma, last year you could win back to back HOH in the final 4 and final 3 rounds, to make it fair for the final 3 to have an equal chance to get to the final..

Here's my idea:

This week, anyone EXECPT Amy needs to win HOH. Doing that pretty much gurantees Marc and Amy are up. Even with a veto, the best Marc and Amy could do is tie, and HOH would toss one of them. Even if Amy does win HOH, she might still put Marc up, but best not to take that chance. Odds of that happening are 3 to 1 for.

then.....it gets messy. When do you want to turn on your allies? Do you get rid of Marc and Amy the next 2 weeks, then take your chances in the final 3? I think you have to make your move in the round of 4.


Let's assume Marc will go next week. If your Dani, you win HOH the week after, then say I have to do this for strategy reasons, and nom Lisa and Jason in the last 4, and have Amy make the decision on who to cut...

If Amy goes next week, and Dani wins HOH then you have to get Marc I believe....The final HOH last yeah was part skill, part physical, and part mental, and Marc has won HOH twice....

The best thing to do is keep Amy in the final 4, then turn on Jason and Lisa, having Amy make the choice of who to stay (my guess is there won't be POV in the final 4).....Dani then MUST win the final HOH (like I said last year you can win the last 2 HOH back-to-back) in order to stay in, then take Amy with her in the final 2. Most of the HG's then decide although Dani was manipulative, Amy was evicted once, and doesn't deserve to win on a second chance.....and Dani wins.

Cameltoes

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 03:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Gramma! She needs to ditch her plan to evict Marcellas. There is no one else she can count on winning against. She should have bought into Jason and Lisa's desire to evict Amy first (they both rightly think Amy would come after them first). After Amy goes, D/M/L/J remain and if Marcellas can win the last 2 HOH's, he would take her to the finals and she would likely win.

Redgirl30

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 03:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In my fantasies Dani's strategy would be to.....Hit the panic button and get out!!!!

Bbfanatic

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 04:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i really dont think she needs to do anything to get to the final 2. the dr is helping her with that by reminding amy the night before the veto meeting how goooood roddy is and basically how she needs to do whats best for her ( in other words pushing her to not veto roddy). true, she should vote however is to her benefit. the dr knew she had been unsure of what to do.
for dani to win---- well i think it stems alot on how she is portrayed the remainder of the game. bb was able to portray her in a certain way to get americas choice.

Bbfanatic

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 04:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
oops double post

Loppes

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 04:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why waste time creating strategies for Danielle. Fact is she will not win.
Lon

Gramma

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 04:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the feedback on how'd I coach Dani if I could. Wilson, I guess I'd forgotten the bit about being able to get back-to-back HOH's at the end. That actually complicates my wishful plan a bit. Cameltoes, your reply AND your nick made me smile. :)

The reason I want to see Dani up against Mar is because I fear he's the only one she could win or tie with. The evicted HGs are already in contact with each other, and the "original 6" see her largely as their undoing. (rightfully so.)

In another thread (that I just went looking in the archives for, but can't find), the possible final vote scenerios were being discussed. I added my 2¢ to that thread, copying a spred sheet of sorts I had worked up. In it, I saw Mar as Dani's only possible win. I'll try to recall..

Votes for dani or Mar
Lori - Mar (cuz of the gerry hand-washing thing)
Tonya - Dani (cuz of the Tonya/Mar scream-fest)
Eric - Mar? (unless Lisa can change his opinion)
Josh - Dani?
Chiara - Dani??
Gerry - Dani (don't think he can really abstain)
Roddy - Dani (vote against mar)
Amy - Mar??
Lisa - Dani (as long as it's Jason or Mar who noms her)
Jason - Dani

against Jason, Lisa or Amy her odds decrease quite a bit.

Turtlelvr

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 06:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She needs to find out who Jason wants to nom, feel out Lisa's wants, and figure out if it will be Marc or Amy going this week.

Wendo

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 06:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, I was talking to my sister, who's only a tv watcher, and she said that Danielle's chance at winning the game (assuming she makes the final two, and that's not definite) basically relies on her making a good argument at the end for ALL her actions within the house. She said it really is up to Danielle. If her argument is convincing, strong, solid, justifies her actions as well as earn their respect back, she's got a good shot.

In the end, it's up to her. It really is.

Gramma

Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 07:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Excellent point Wendo. Even though most of the returning HGs will already have made up their minds before re-entering the house to vote, if she presents her real self honestly, that could possibly sway a few last minute votes.

With all that's been said between the HGs about her pleas for needing the money, and their not buying into that, I think she'd better serve herself by sticking to why she played the game the way she did.

She reads people well. There are a lot of hungry egos that will have been voted out, and if she takes the time to feed them, that could help.

I still think her best shot is against Marcellas. I DO hope they all see the wisdom if voting Amy out this week. She's a wild card. None of them can be sure of what she'd do. Dani should realize that Mar really does have her and Jason's back.

Mar's M-D-J plan works best for Dani. Works best for Jason too.

Roamjotiba

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 09:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I said this in another post as well about Danielles strategy including what Jason does this week.

Jason will put up Marcellas and Amy. Amy goes.
Danielle wants next weeks HOH so Jason can decide since he will be the only one not nominated if Lisa goes or Marcellas goes. He says Marcellas then Dani wants Lisa to get the final HOH so Lisa can say bye bye Jason.
Standing in the end game 2 girls (what Lisa wants that will definitely allow a girl to win this year which is what Lisa has said)
Standing in the end game no Jason (what Danielle wants she knows she can't beat him)

Wendo

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gramma said, "Excellent point Wendo. Even though most of the returning HGs will already have made up their minds before re-entering the house to vote, if she presents her real self honestly, that could possibly sway a few last minute votes."

Good points Gramma. I was thinking about this while going to sleep last night and have come up with some more "coaching". LOL!

I think she NEEDS to state outright to the jury that she's well aware that many, if not most of them, have likely made up their mind to not give her their vote. Were I her, I would say something along the lines of what Will did, pose the question of "Why have you decided not to give me your vote? Are they emotional feelings? Are you angry with what I've said in the house? And, if so, I'm sorry, but I did what I did to get to this point, the final two. It was never personal, only my job in this game. I ask you to consider whether or not I've played the game well, despite your emotional feelings. Have I played it well, stuck to my strategy, and remained loyal to my true ally." Or, something along those lines. I think she needs to address head on the angry and possibly bitter feelings the evicted HG's feel. Take responsibility for them and explain that they were, in the end, part of her strategy to get to the final 2. And, also add, that she respects their vote, whether they vote for her to win or not.

"With all that's been said between the HGs about her pleas for needing the money, and their not buying into that, I think she'd better serve herself by sticking to why she played the game the way she did."

I agree, going this route would be an absolutely terrible tactic, and would only cause the jury to resent her.

"She reads people well. There are a lot of hungry egos that will have been voted out, and if she takes the time to feed them, that could help."

Agreed. Express that she was up against formidable competition, and played any way she could to advance in the game.

"I still think her best shot is against Marcellas. I DO hope they all see the wisdom if voting Amy out this week. She's a wild card. None of them can be sure of what she'd do. Dani should realize that Mar really does have her and Jason's back."

Yes, her best shot is Marcellas. But I think she will remain loyal to Jason to the end, if she can. I will be really surprised if she somehow "dumps" him through her action. If he gets evicted through no fault of her own, well, can't blame her for that. And, ditto about Amy. She is a wild card and Mar does have their back. Unfortunately, I think knowing Mar turned on her, even for just a short time, may play against this. However, I think Jason wants Amy out, so who knows.

"Mar's M-D-J plan works best for Dani. Works best for Jason too."

Agreed.

Gramma

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 09:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
From what I just read in the feeds from last night, it seems that Dani is finally thinking about the jury. She's mentioned to others that no one would win against Jason and I think she may also realize that her best shot would be against Mar. I hope so. She has no end deal with Amy and if they votes out M this week, she'll be making a big mistake. Hope those wheels keep turning in her head.

That said, as we've been discussing above, so much will rest on her final speech. As her <ahem> coaches, perhaps we should have our collective hand in composing her final speech here?

I'm seeing an introduction that starts with something about how they all had a one in 6 chance in being where she is now, and that she's no more deserving than any of the others, just luckier. perhaps she could add that each and every one of them probably feels they were more deserving than her and perhaps they're right. But fact is, luck fell in her favor and she'd be dishonest if she didn't admit she was very happy about that.

then she should move into an explanation of how she had a strategy before entering the house and never wavered from it. focussed on game etc etc

then, and all important, she should take the time to address each member of the jury personally, feeding their ego without it being too blatently obvious that that's what she's doing.

A closing could be what she'd do with the $. The security of owning a home vs renting, college tuitions for her kids and maybe herself, etc etc etc. Recalling how evilDrWill said he'd have fun and just blow the 4 last year, may buy her points. She should be careful to stay away from the poor me bit, hope she realizes that.

So.. anyone game for a joint speech writing session? lol.. round robin perhaps. someone starts and each poster adds the next bit. then we could all have a hand in editing the final product and figure out a way to telepathically get it to her. LMAO

oh..we also need to help her decide whose vote she's going to nullify. That of course depends largely on who she's up against in the end.

Spunky

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm afraid Danielle will find out soon enough she will never win the 500k and no matter with whom she will be paired off in the finals.

At best she will win second place with 50k, still not bad for a summer job.

So, no use giving her any advice how to get to the finals, she will lose in the end anyway. The jury will be merciless.