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Archive through September 20, 2002
Craziel | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:17 am     Hi, Was just reading the posts here and in the LF's.. it appears Danielle has betrayed Jason, though not in the strictest sense. In the pool she gave her word to Lisa to take her to the final 2. She told Jason she lied. It makes no difference, however, since she has no intention of actually winning the final HOH. The betrayal comes in that she elicited a reciprocated promise out of Lisa. Lisa promised to take Danielle to the final two. This means she can now throw the final HOH, safe in the knowledge that whoever actually wins have given their word to take her to the end. IMHO this is a betrayal of Jason in spirit, if not deed. Then again, it's not like she's supposed to tell Lisa to take Jason to the end of Lisa wins HOH, is it. *shrug* |
Battlestar | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:21 am     I agree with this----she is scumbagging Lisa but lying to her about taking her to the final BUT she is also scumbagging Jason by cutting a deal with Lisa that will assure that Danielle goes to the finals. This will make impossible for Jason to make any deals with Lisa in the final HOH competion if he is in it |
Crazydog | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:22 am     Yep. I agree. Dani doesn't have to win the HoH now because someone will take her to the finals. If Jason wants to go to the finals, he must win HoH for himself. He had a 2/3 chance of being in the finals and now it is reduced to 1/2. Dani could have won HoH and took Jason but she made a deal and now she feels she can't win it. She was looking out for herself. |
Bunyun | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:27 am     Kind of wondering if Dani said that to Lisa in order for Lisa to "mellow out" in other words so Lisa may feel she does not have to compete so hard, let her guard down. Thinking that Dani would do the same for her? |
Wendo | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:29 am     Well, Jason had all of last week to make a deal with Lisa. Why didn't he. Both Jason and Danielle said a long time ago that, while they would always be protecting each other, they were still playing for themselves. And of course in the end she's going to look out for herself, just as Jason has many times before. Jason flubbed big time last night. He had all the opportunity in the world to win last night, and didn't make it even an hour. Dani gave it over four and a half hours for their team. If she was going to cut a deal with Lisa to betray Jason from the start, do you think she would've gone that long? I don't think so. She realized that Lisa wasn't going anywhere. She wasn't going to win, Lisa KNEW she had to. |
Itsallgood | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:30 am     Lisa isn't buying this for 1 second. Lisa is playing for herself. Bet she's wondering what all Dani has said behind HER back. JMHO |
Beegee | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:30 am     It seems she wants to technically stay true to her alliance with Jason, but at this point in the game, it has to be every person for him/herself. Danielle has distinguished herself by being two-faced toward just about everyone in the house so far. Now it's finally time for her to be two-faced toward Jason. |
Monalisa | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:32 am     What has she said about Lisa behind her back? |
Wendo | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:05 pm     Itsallgood said, "Bet she's wondering what all Dani has said behind HER back." What does this have to do with the topic at hand, other than to serve a dig at Danielle? |
Phillymom | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:12 pm     I don't think Dani betrayed Jason. She told him right after the pool competition what happened with Lisa. Even though I'm not a Dani fan, she has every right to look out for herself first. Jason should be doing the same, but I don't think he has the cut-throat mentality that Dani has. |
Jagger | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:14 pm     I see nothing wrong with what Danni did, she has to look out for herself, I'm sure that if by some chance she does win the second round and advances to the final comp and wins hoh she will take Jason along. She was just trying to secure a placement for herself in the final. I know I would have done that. |
Floresmama | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:14 pm     The game is on Jason's racket so to speak. Danielle never needed to win this HOH to get to the finals. Lisa and Jason however did. Jason screwed up and let go of the key in less than an hour. Close to four hours later freezing and shuddering in spasms trying to will herself to go on longer for Jason she new she couldn't go on any longer. She at the final breaking point verbalized a deal with Lisa that wasn't even necessary to take her to the end. Jason didn't have a problem with it. So why do all of the rest of you. |
Bb3junkie | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:40 pm     I have to side with Danielle here. I'm not her biggest fan at all, but the whole point in the game is to win. I have never had a problem with the way she played the game. I just don't care for the way she handled herself in the DR. I think it would be wrong for her to win HOH and then not take Jason, but nothing wrong with making sure Lisa would take her if she won! |
Phillymom | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:44 pm     Flores, Dani stayed in that pool for herself. Up to that point, she had no deal with Lisa to take her to the final 2. She may have thought it would work out that way, but she wasn't certain. So she made the deal with Lisa, and then IMMEDIATELY got out of the pool. I don't have a problem with her doing that, Dani's in this for herself, and rightfully so. She stayed in that pool for "close to four hours freezing and shuddering in spasms" for herself -- Dani is just not that altruistic. I'm not saying she wouldn't have liked to stay longer and beat Lisa, but the number one priority in Dani's mind is Dani, and once she had her place secured, she bailed. |
Wendo | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:49 pm     Philly, But Lisa started the probing and questioning. Just because Dani bit at the offer doesn't negate the fact that she stayed in that pool for Jason. If Dani's intent was to get a deal from Lisa, do you really believe it would've gone on for over four and a half hours? Dani could've tossed out a deal at the two hour mark. Why go over four hours? |
Loppes | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:58 pm     Phillymom, Yes, typical style for Danielle, me first, let the other's swim on their own. Lon |
C1mag | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:07 pm     But in this game shouldn't it be about putting yourself first? These people were strangers when they came in the house. It would be foolish to play the game for someone else other than yourself. We chatted about this last night... There is no sympathy for Lisa if she does get screwed over in this situation. She was going to have no problem keeping Marcellus and scumbagging both Dani and Jason so turnabout is fair play. You may not like what Dani did in order to get 50,000 but If any of us were in that house when it got down to this moment we would do the same thing to seccure ourselves in the finals. It's a game not a journey down ethics lane. |
Cmore | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:08 pm     Why go on for four hours? Because Dani knows there is a chance that Lisa could act just like Dani....... Lie to her face and stab her in the back. As Dani has displayed several times in the house, a "deal" or "word" is not "all inclusive" in her world. She didn't stay for four hours for Jason, she stayed for four hours for Dani. If Lisa wins HOH, Dani is still at risk and she knows it. |
Phillymom | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:11 pm     Wendo, I agree that Lisa asked the first question about whether Dani had a deal with Jason, but then Dani took the ball from there. Maybe we heard the conversation differently, but I heard DANI bring up the fact that neither of them could beat Jason in the finals, and I heard DANI say (lie) that she thought Jason would take Lisa to the final 2, and I heard DANI make the offer of a deal. Although personally I am not crazy about some of the things Dani's done, I think she is a great game player and deserves at least 2nd place. But she still hasn't stopped playing the game, and she stayed in that pool for herself. She's said it herself -- it's her back first, and that's the way it should be. The label of alruistic really doesn't fit Dani very well. |
Jagger | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:14 pm     I really don't think Dani is worried about Lisa not taking her along, after all Danni knows what she has said about the others, she knows Lisa knows that she has lied and stabbed people in the back. I think Lisa has already figured out who she thinks will vote for who and she would be better off with Danni. Danni only wants her or Jason to win so that they can say that their plan worked out from week one. She would rather be in there with Jason than Lisa. |
Lurknomore | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:16 pm     This is the way I see it...Dani has now guaranteed herself a place in the final 2. She has also guaranteed herself 2nd place and that the person taking her is the winnner. Remember, the jury has seen all this too. Bad move Dani. She worked so hard and played so smart till now (too hard sometimes). IMHO she blew any chance she had at all by doing this. |
Kae | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:16 pm     I was waiting for Dani to sell Jason out and I think making a deal with Lisa is part of the plan. If Dani has a chance to let Lisa win HOH, I think Dani will let Lisa do it. I think Lisa will send Jason packing, because I think Lisa knows that she has a better chance against Dani than Jason (she said that on the show). If Jason wins HOH, I think he'll still take Dani to the end. If Dani wins HOH, she's stuck. I don't think she can send Jason packing without losing his vote and the same for Lisa. Ohhhhh, I can't wait to see who's leaving. |
Saggkl | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:25 pm     I am sorry to say this guys, but Jason should have stayed in the pool for his self. He is the one who messed up. It wasn't Dannis place to hold on for him. He's a strong young guy. Why didn't he stay in for Danni? |
Car54 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:43 pm     Being the reality junkie that he is, did Jason try to pull the same trick Richard Hatch pulled on Rudy? He really messed up if that is what he was trying for. |
K9lover1 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:44 pm     I don't think Dani betrayed Jason. IMO she held on for four hours for both her and Jason, to try to ensure they would both go to the finals. As I watched Dani in that boat, she clearly was suffering after about 2 hrs. She couldn't sit still, her lips were blue and her jaw was trembling, her bicep kept getting spasms and on top of it all, the way she was sitting in the boat had to make it harder for her to hang on. Lisa was very quiet and Dani was the one to start talking to her and ultimately making the deal with Lisa. I think Lisa would have stayed there as long as necessary. Dani had to do something to try to expedite getting out of that boat. Lisa seems to know about the alliance but wanted to see if Dani would confess. The fact that Lisa continued to question Dani in the bedroom later proves to me that she still doesn't trust Dani (rightfully so). Lisa scares me when she says things to Dani like "thank you for trusting me" but I think that Lisa has a Poker Face that won't quit. Lisa often sits and watches people intently and I think she listens to what they say very carefully. IMO she realized that Dani didn't answer her question in the boat, and that is why she asked it again in the bedroom. Also, in the boat at one point Dani made a comment (referring to Jason) "he's in there all warm and I'm out here". That statement implied they were a team. |
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