Archive through September 20, 2002
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Archive through September 20, 2002
What555456 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:11 pm     There have been a lot of comments about some of the losers actively campaigning against some of the winners. Most of it is very negative -- saying that one loser should not try to influence the vote of the other losers. I do not see a problem with it. Part of the game is the final vote of the losers. If some of the losers want to influence the votes of the others --and if those others are willing to be influenced -- this is simply part of the game. It may not seem fair; but little in this game is fair. I don't see it as an issue of fairness. I don't see it as an issue of what is right or wrong. It simply is part of the game that the winners need to deal with -- no matter what the motivation is of the losers who want to do this. |
Machellewatches | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:22 pm     Not to have a meanspirited convo What, but IMO, the game should be based on living in the house and their experience. They should not be allowed to view the diary sessions, because where i come from, most diaries are private, for noones eyes other than your own. It taints the game. The final vote is given to the losers, but they are voting with emotions and not picking the player with the best strategy to get to the end. |
Curlyq | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:22 pm     Personally, I don't have a big problem with it, as long as the influencer doesn't accomplish his/her goal by using a certain technique of toying with someone's affections that takes it out of the game and into the influencee's heart. To me that's out-of-bounds, if you will. Aside from that, I have no problem with them contacting each other to compare notes or complaints. Real juries deliberate, and I'm sure this one will as well. |
Jimmer | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:24 pm     I think that it is totally fair for the jury members to try to influence each other's votes. And if they want to vote based on emotion, that's all part of the game and the players in the final two should have recognized that as part of their strategy. |
Seanflynn | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:29 pm     It's perfectly acceptable. It also just reinforces what a loser Roddy is, so I'm happy to see it. |
Onlyhuman | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:31 pm     Curlyq...I'm glad I read the Amy chat thread or I would have no idea to what person you could be oh so subtly referring. The truth of the matter is, once they took away all the rules about scheming, plotting, code talk, etc., within the house, it was only natural that all that stuff was going to spread outside of the house. I hate the fact that once again, a certain HG may be falling for a guy's charms, but, really, at this point she is just floating in the wind. Her trust has been shattered by essentially every single person in the house, so she might as well just ride this thing out til next Wednesday and then deal with all her heartache then. Ooops, I think I'm getting the thread of track...sorry, What. Let me just reiterate that I have no problem with them playing the game outside of the house and I fully expect Jason to begin a PR campaign for Danielle if he gets evicted Saturday. That may be her best bet for getting the top prize. |
Seamonkey | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:34 pm     I don't see why they shouldn't talk to each other. |
Hypermom | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:40 pm     If it were your 3 favorite HG's left in the house, would you still feel that it was okay that they are all talking outside? |
Sanfranjoshfan | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:40 pm     " What Is Wrong With Losers Campaigning?" Absolutely nothing! I think that's what makes the game exciting. Remember BB1? I liked it....but let's be honest, the ratings were in the toilet and compared to BB2 and BB3, it was a the borefest from hell. The first BB had different rules...no HOH, NO strategizing or talking about votes... and the final winner, like all the evictions, was selected by a viewer call in vote. Strategy was not a part of the game at all...it was just a popularity contest. The BB1 HG tried to be likeable so the other HG would want them to stay, and they tried to be likeable so the viewers would want them to stay. It was interesting, but not *exciting*....at all. Chickenman's antics were often funny, but there was absolutely no suspense and well....it was BORING. The newest versions (especially weekly HG evictions of a house guest BY the other house guests, and the finale "jury" vote) is the twist that made all the difference in the world. Just like in Survivor, allowing the folks that the finalists had previously thrown off the island to decide their fate...well, that is truly inspirational! If they remove that aspect of the game, they change it from a game of chess back to a game of checkers....<yawn> |
Kappy | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:42 pm     Ditto what Curlyq said. But that said, if any one of these HG's cannot make up their own mind after having viewed tapes, etc., then they deserve to be manipulated by that, um, other person. |
Onlyhuman | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:47 pm     Kappy, I don't that, um, other person, would be as successful if he didn't have so much material to work with! But you're right, I think they will have an easy time making up their minds, especially if they are online! |
Wendo | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:53 pm     Personally, I have no problem with the jury "deliberating". However, I think it's each jury members responsibility to, in the end, form their own opinion on whatever criteria they plan to use. What I would hate to see is one HG telling the others, this is who you should vote to win. Don't use underhandness and manipulation to make the person you want to win the winner. Let each jury member make their decision without any pressure. I don't think that would be fair to the final two, nor the other jury members. |
Jimmer | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:57 pm     Just when you think that "other person" is gone, he returns to haunt. I think some of the people posting here are going to have nightmares about him.  |
Cricket | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:02 pm     IF they all read the live feeds and saw the videos, I guess it wouldn't be so bad. But IF they are only watching the tapes of the show and a certain 'loser' is still campaigning against a houseguest, that just seems wrong. I think someone is out of control. Uh...and it's not me, lol! Maybe next year they'll let the INTERNET people vote for the winner. Ya think? |
C1mag | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:08 pm     I see no problem in it I guess but just wonder why they would want to do that? You'd think they would just respect the others vote in advance and not feel the need to control it. When you keep talking about one player hurting other peoples feelings, obviously you are trying to make the jury vote on hurt feelings and keep their eyes off the actual game play. It's a subtle control on the voters emotions. Gee who played the game like that in the house? Hahahahaha! You would just think that the only vote you should be concerned about would be your own. Well... Unless your goal is too make sure one house guest doesn't win... |
Monalisa | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:08 pm     I have been saying for awhile now that I bet Roddy would campaign against Dani. He just strikes me as that kind of person, and probably feels as though it is his responsibility to enlighten others...lol. The one thing that bothers me about it is that while they are in the house, they are on a level playing field. All have the same access to the hg's. Remaining hg's don't have access to evicted hg's. I don't think it's really about talking or comparing or sharing thoughts. It's more about outright campaigning, making it a goal to make sure somebody wins or loses. |
Bohica | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:13 pm     >>"What I would hate to see is one HG telling the others, this is who you should vote to win."(Wendo)<< Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Danni, the lone week she was HoH, tell Jason that she was nominating Lisa & Amy and that she told Lisa that she was safe? So was it okay for Danni to tell Jason that he had to vote Amy out? If so, how does this differ, other than the fact that the 9 final voters are out of the house? IMO, if it's acceptable for HGs to lobby or instruct each other on who to evict each week, it's then also acceptable for them to do the same in final vote for the ultimate winner of the $500K. |
Maryk | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:17 pm     I haven't seen Roddy actively campaigning at all. But thats just my perception. But I don't find campaigning to be bad at all, juries delibarate, ponder and debate. Each juror tries to make the other juror see the issue from their point of view. (Also, I saw in one of the transcripts that Eric is still working on Josh to get his vote for Lisa and to convince him not to go with Dani. I see nothing wrong with this either.) |
Monalisa | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:18 pm     Bohica, didn't Dani and Jason work together? When they did differ on votes or nominations she told him to go with his heart. Remaining hg's are trying to win $500,000. Evicted hg's can't so why keep playing? |
Chrissybean | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:22 pm     I know the "other person" is Roddy (obviously!!), but what is the Amy chat people are referring to? BTW, thay are all adults and ultimatly have to make up their own minds who to vote for, influenced or not. Same as voting in the house. |
Zachsmom | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:23 pm     WOW!!!! I cannot believe that sooooo many people are assinging all this power to Roddy.. GET REAL FOLKS!! For all of you *speculating* that Roddy is *manipulating* the evicted HGs.. show me PROOF!!! The evicted HGs ALREADY had an opinion formed before Roddy was even evicted!!! My goodness..I hope whenever Roddy reads these boards..(if he does) I hope he is laughing his butt off!! Yes..Roddy is talking to the evicted HGs..big deal..no one and I mean no one can bond and relate to the experience that they shared in that house than the HGs themselves..They became friends and I do believe honestly care about each other..so they talk to each other..Yea for them..I think it's great that they were able to form relationships with each other outside of the house.. Amy is a very intelligent lady..she is the ONLY one who stood up to Dani to make Dani keep her word..that alone I give her kudos for! Amy will vote for whomever she believes she should give her vote to..and I don't believe anyone can convince her otherwise..Amy WILL vote with her heart and do what is right for AMY! Come on people..let's show the evicted HGs some respect..respect them enough to know that they can make their OWN informed decisions.. |
What555456 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:27 pm     "If it were your 3 favorite HG's left in the house, would you still feel that it was okay that they are all talking outside?" Hypermom, I have been a Dani supporter since almost day 1. I would like to see her win. But the campaigning by the losers is, to me, acceptable. If Dani or anyone else loses because of it, then so be it. That's the game. I guess if I had my druthers, the campaigns would be for someone to win, rather than trying to stop another. But I think it says more about the loser who campaigns against someone at this point than it does about the person being attacked. |
Hypermom | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:34 pm     What, fair enough. I don't remember evicted BB2 HG's campaigning, so that is why I asked. It adds a new element to the game this year...if it is happening, imo. I don't know that I care for it, but my favorites are still in the house. So, I'm biased about it. |
Snee | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:35 pm     'loser'. hehehe! |
Bohica | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:38 pm     Monalisa Evicted HGs are still in the game. Yes, they can't win the money but they are the final decision makers in WHO wins the money. The same is true in Survivor. Evicted players in Survivor are allowed to "compare notes" with each other as their former tribesmen continue to play the game. It's allowed in the rules. Don't like it? Write a letter to Arnold Shapiro. |
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