Archive through September 16, 2002
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Archive through September 16, 2002
Puttergirl | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:20 pm     Cassie, the bolded text was from the moderator, I think? Wasn't it, mod?? |
Misslibra | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:23 pm     Cassie that was a edit from the Moderator in the bold print. Danielle is not my favorite, but over all I think Danielle is a good person. And I'm glad she kept her word so far to Lisa and Jason. I'm also like the fact that she help Lisa out so much when Lisa was in the dark about a lot of things. |
Cassie | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:54 pm     I thought the whole post (including the "baiter") was from a moderator. That's what confused me. Thanks for clearing that up--just recently started posting. Good board and great LF posts. You guys (Ryn, Fly, et al) do a terrific job. Thanks |
Mom | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 08:19 pm     Fly...You are the BEST. Don't let em get you down. And take good care of yourself. (What would we do without you?) Now...Dani. Anyone notice how she's being all nicey nice now that she's figured out evictees are watching LFs? (She figured this out the Friday after Roddy left.) She makes me.........oh nevermind. Hang in there Fly. You help keep all this on track. Don't let em get you down.  |
Allietex | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 09:13 pm     I have two conflicting opinions of Dani. In the game she has played brilliantly. She made an alliance with a person who would be loyal and helpful. She has pushed her ideas without dictating re: giving in to Amy on the Roddy vote, and not insisting Jason nominate Roddy. She is usually very aware of what is going on in the house and picks up quickly on other possible alliances. I think her only goof was Gerry. I think if she had approached him early, after the veto incident, he would have made a valuable contribution to her and Jason's alliance. Instead she made an enemy of him. On the whole she and Jason have gotten out who they needed to when they needed to. As for the lying, that does not bother me at all. I have not been offended by any one's lying. I do have more respect for Dani about it because she does not lie to herself about it. She admits in the DR that she lies. She knows it is part of the game. Someone mentioned this was not a soap. Funny I used that same analogy on another thread. No, it is not a soap, it is a game show. And lying and deceiving are not only allowed, they are a necessary part of the game. Someone else used a sports event as an analogy. That is a good one. They have rules. As long as a person follows the rules they do not have to be polite and kind. They may be universally disliked for being a poor sport and not a nice person, but they do not take the game away from them because they called an opponent a bad name. The other opinion of Dani concerns her trash talk about the other houseguests. She is by no means alone in doing this. I truly believe Marc was worse that she, and as far as the severity of the trash talk goes, Lisa's talk about Gerry was the worst of the bunch in its seriousness. But saying that; the talking Dani does really disturbs me. It was mean and cruel. It was not part of the game and was of no value to the game. On the contrary it will probably lose her the big money. Just consider her situation if she had not done the bashing. She would have been unbeatable. Now having two conflicting opinions about Dani, do I want her to win. If I don't want her to win because of the bashing then logically I have to say I don't want any of the remaining to win because they have all been guilty of it. Of the four, I really believe Lisa's was the worst because of its seriousness, and I also do not see where she has played the game. She went from riding on the power of six coattails to riding on Dani's coattails. She has not contribited much. Do I want her to win. No. Amy usually only did it when she was with Marc, but she was guilty of bashing also. She said some really vicious things about Tonya and Chia. Hers was not as bad as Dani, but she has not played the game like Dani has. She has been a passive player. Successful but does not earn my respect like Dani and Jason. Do I want her to win a half million dollars because she was nicer than Dani. No. Jason's bashing was mild and not very hurtful when compared to the others. He has played a good game and been respectful to his opponents. I hope he wins. Dani? She has been guilty of some very mean and spiteful trashtalk. She has also been a brilliant player. Do I want her to win. Not the top prize. I would like to see her second to Jason. If I am honest, I have to admit Dani has played the best game. To take away the prize because she has been a poor sport is really against the spirit of competetion, but like everyone on this board, I do not have to make the selection, so I can just hope my favorite wins. I don't want to lie to myself though so I will acknowlege Dani has played the best game. |
Flyonthwall | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 09:20 pm     ((((MOM)))) don't worry...I don't let it get me down...I have more important issues! LOL I have to give it to her. Playing the game, she got a long way. No matter the method. No worse then anyone else. But did she win with respect? That is really questionionable to some and it won't keep her from some kind of money unless something unexpected happens. Truthfully, I really don't care anymore. LOL |
Gramma | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 10:22 pm     Allitex!! That may just be the most astute post I've read on this board. You walk in clarity. BRAVO! |
Allietex | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:41 pm     Thank you Gramma |
Beserkknight2 | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 05:43 am     From the live feeds, Dani and Jason's latest (?) lie: "Danielle says Jason didn't have ANY alliances...he just ran around like a tumbleweed. Jason: I got included in a lot of things..they would just tell me, we're looking out for you kid and I would say okay, thank you."(laughing) |
Wendo | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:29 pm     Beserk, well, they're not going to out their alliance at this point. LOL! |
Adrian | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:33 pm     Beserk, to win this game, you cannot tell the truth all the time. If you do not want to tell a lie. DO NOT EVER JOIN A GAME LIKE THIS. LOL  |
Becca | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:37 pm     Dani has played a great game, and I certainlly don't think she's as horrible as she's made to be. I"m afraid her loud mouth mind do her in. I think though that people don't give Jay enough credit. He's taken a lot of risks that have put himself in danger, to further their goals. (The vote out ERic thing, especially) This is why he became so close to getting nominated. Without Jason's key votes (and people's underestimating him Dani wouldn't be this far in the game.) The brilliance of their alliance was their different playing skills. Dani would not have done so well with a player like roddy (it would have been to obvious.) Dani is where she is because of how Jason voted and who he evicted. Jason is where he is because of Dani too. HOwever, if Eric would have stayed. Jason would have been in the game a lot longer than Danielle. |
Wendo | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:00 pm     Becca, yes, if Eric had stayed Dani would likely have been gone before Ja. However, Roddy and Eric both said they would dump Jason at the final five or six. They had no intention of keeping him over Josh, Chi, and Lisa. |
Hermione69 | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:34 pm     Someone on another post made a really good point about Dani's game playing and whether or not she has played the "best game" as many think she has. This person pointed out that part of this game is realizing you have to get the jury vote in the end and thus not alienating the people who vote and Dani has NOT done a good job of that. She had done very well in strategizing and all that, but she has done too much negative and personal talking about the very people who ultimately decide who gets the money. And that, to me, makes Jason a better player. He hasn't seemed to lose sight of that. |
Wendo | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 04:01 pm     Herminone, to an extent that's true to this point. However, if Dani makes the final 2, a lot will hinge on how convincing her argument will be and how well she answers the questions from the jury. So, it's possible that the jury will believe her argument and give her a vote. Until the end, it's hard to say, I guess. |
Gramma | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 10:06 am     OK, Donning my trusty asbestos suit for this one... I can understand the Dani-<detractors> need to vent. I may not agree with their opinion of her (in fact, I don't), but is it really necessary to have SO many threads that are really just the post starters Opinion of Danille and a chance to rant? The same posters and the same views are being posted over and over again. Here's a thread that was started a while ago with the express purpose of creating a place where folks who felt the need to share their opinion of dani could collect and get things off their chest. Surely, Dani has NOT played the game well. and Dani needs to go NOW!!How??? and Why doesn't dani sleep in the HOH room? This one may have been an interesting enough topic as it's titled, but the initial posts opening sentence is "is she that much of a control freak that she's afraid ... (sounds kind of like an opinion to me <shrug> and Dani doesn't want to share glory at rap party with family! are really just opinions of Danielle, aren't they? Couldn't they have just been made in this thread? (c) |
Lancecrossfire | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 03:19 pm     Probably for the same reason that when Roddy was in the spot light there were usually 10-20 threads on him at any one time, typically negative in nature. Same thing when Josh was having his bad times too. (but that was awhile ago) While both take place is beyond me as well. If the idea is to lay blame just because it's Dani, that isn't the reason. |
Twiggyish | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 06:18 pm     Yup Lance! I am not a Dani fan, although I don't totally dislike her, either. It bothers me how she uses people and makes promises to all of them. Ok clearing way for Dani fans.... |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 06:59 pm     Good point, Lancecrossfire - I was thinking the same thing. Another thing to coinsider is, the longer she's in the house and the fewer other HGs there are in the house....the brighter the spotlight that shines on Dani's behavior becomes. I also think the since that her main partner and ally is so universally loved and thought of as such a kind person and "all around nice guy", Dani appears even more unpleasant by comparison. Some anti-Dani attitudes could be accentuated by context, also. I think if Jason or Roddy had hatefully trash talked the others as much as Dani has (as *I* have seen her do), they would both be registering a lot lower on my own personal "like-o-meter". On a bell curve like that, Dani would probably not appear as nasty as she does....even to ME! JMO |
Twiggyish | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 07:07 pm     Exactly San! She has trashed the others. Her conversations regarding Gerry are a good example. There are archives of these conversations. It's also true that Roddy wasn't as vocal about the others, too. (It doesn't make me like him any better, though) She does take the prize as the worst trash talker. I do believe this is being duly noted by the evicted jury. |
Bbfanatic | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 10:22 pm     give it up!!! who your mamma!! give it up!! who your mamma!! someone please put a muzzle on dan |
Maris | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 10:23 pm     I have been waiting to say this: She is a drunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFL |
Max | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 10:44 pm     BBfanatic, you forgot... "Mother Effer!" ARGH! How many times is she gonna say this stuff. LOL |
Wendo | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 10:44 pm     I posed this question in another thread, but thought it would be an interesting topic for discussion here so..... Do you think that Dani's tendancy toward gossiping could be a result that she entered "adulthood" so early and didn't outgrow it? I guess I'm wondering because, if we all admit it, we all have probably gossiped and "bashed" when we were young, like in high school and college. But, as we aged and had life experiences, we learned to drop these traits as we learned and realized they were not appropriate. Since Dani became an "adult" when she became pregnant at 15, she didn't have the experiences one would normally have to outgrow certain behaviors. Just want to add, in no way am I excusing Dani's gossiping and "trash" talking, just posing a question as to the reason for it. I'm curious what others think, Dani fans and non Dani fans. |
Max | Monday, September 16, 2002 - 10:49 pm     I know plenty of adults who gossip like crazy. Has nothing to do with becoming a parent at 15 or 16 or whatever. It's just something some people get in the habit of doing and never stop. |
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