Why did Dani give Lisa her word? (Boat Competition)
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Gina8642 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:59 pm     Why did Dani give her word? Dani wanted to give up. Why was saying anything to Lisa necessary? She could have just let go. No 'words' were necessary. She would be in the same 'boat' so to speak, but without any 'gave my word' dilema. Jason lost after 45 minutes. I didn't see any problem with losing after more than 3 hours. Dani can't owe anything to Lisa. Dani was the person giving up. She didn't 'let Lisa win'. She didn't owe anything to Lisa. If it was the other way around (If Lisa gives up first, then Dani promises her final 2) it would make sense. But this doesn't. I already posted this in another thread, but I thought this deserved a thread of its own. |
Tobor7 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:25 pm     Her word is "gold" and she likes to spread the wealth. |
Bkmac | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:34 pm     What else could she do when pressed? We all saw how far Roddy got when he tried to be honest about not voting for Amy... |
Dagny | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:35 pm     It made Lisa give her word that she would take Dani to the final two. (don't know if that's worth anything...but it's WORD) So now Dani sits with promises from both...to take her to the end...and she can now throw the HOH...and still make it to the final 2. What Dani doesn't know, is that Lisa had planned to take her with her anyhow.. Dani has no idea "what a sure bet" she is in the final 2. Which I find kind of funny. I think she is under a false impression that all the former HG's really do love her... (like they did in the house, with the exception of Roddy) I think she is going to be shocked when hears the negativity about herself when she is confronted by the former HG's. I bet Dani thinks she will win...and that everyone is going to be amazed by her master plan...and that she pulled it off.. And hey, maybe they will...but from what evicted HG's have been saying about her...I doubt it. |
Gina8642 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:47 pm     Did Lisa make a reciprocal promise? I still reallly don't get this. It doesn't make sense to me. Dani didn't get anything for this. Lisa wasn't letting go of that key. So, Dani promises Lisa something and then loses? Clearly I'm missing something. Maybe I'm just being a dunce, but I don't get why Dani promised anything to Lisa in exchange for Dani losing?? Just doesn't make sense. It isn't like Lisa 'let' her lose. Nor was Dani 'letting' Lisa win. |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:52 pm     Be careful. If we say anything negative about Danielle's game playing, they will come in here and call us haters. There was no reason for her action except to try and get Lisa to take her to the final two. Family comes first. LOL! |
Phillymom | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:53 pm     Gina, Dani got a lot by letting go of her key. If Lisa wins HoH, she promised to take Dani to the final two with her. Up until that point, Dani wasn't sure Lisa would pick her over Jason. Dani guaranteed herself $50,000 by letting go of her key. |
Kminfinity | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:54 pm     I think the point also was that Dani was saying she "could have held on longer" and by letting go "early"(?) she was sparing Lisa further aggravation in the challenge as well as the possibility that she (Dani) could go on in the challenge, costing Lisa the victory. If Lisa didn't give her Word, then Dani could have played it differently. Mostly, though, it was a face-saving smoothe over-- "I coulda kicked your butt if I didn't have to go home for dinner right now kinda thing." LOL |
Gina8642 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:57 pm     So Lisa made a promise too? If she did, this finally makes sense. BTW I'm not saying anything one way or the other Dani - I'm just confused. |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:58 pm     "Mostly, though, it was a face-saving smooth over-- "I coulda kicked your butt if I didn't have to go home for dinner right now kinda thing." LOL......Kminfinity.....Her pride won't allow her to quit with dignity. I am still laughing. |
Wendo | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 05:00 pm     I think Dani wanted assurance, and the only way to get that, was to give a word. *shrug* Gina, apparently Lisa did promise. Whether she honors it or not (and she doesn't have to imo), we'll find out if she wins HOH. |
Spunky | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:33 pm     Dagny got it right... Danielle should now be the "manipulator" par excellence!! Not only did she extract a promise from Lisa that she will take her instead of Jason but she's using Lisa to get rid of Jason in a way. If it's Jason and Lisa competing tomorrow, she doesn't care what happens to Jason, if he wins the better, but if he loses she is safe with Lisa. Jason is gone at the hands of Lisa. If it's Danielle and Lisa she doesn't even have to try since Lisa will take her and not Jason. Now, it would be ideal if Lisa take Jason...eh, eh... the ultimate betrayal. |
Cricket | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:59 pm     Jason told Dani the only thing she did wrong was not to have Lisa let go of the key before giving her word. So he is playing the game too. I didn't think he had it in him, lol. To me that would have been more cruel. I think Dani did the best she could in the situation. She kept telling Lisa to hold on. She didn't have to do that. She wants to give Lisa every chance. That should have been a heads up to Lisa that Jason and Danielle were looking out for each other. Gina, I didn't see your post before I posted this. You are right in that Dani wasn't exactly trying to manipulate anything, just save herself. Jason said she didn't get anything out of it either, lol. |
Ptomaine | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:01 pm     Transcribed from Live Feed Clip courtesy of Citrona-X. DURING THE COMPETITION Lisa asked Dani for Dani's word (feed was bad, and had to tell by voices alone) Rain comes down. Dani's grip begins to losen. [undecipherable due to rain] L: Do I have your word? D: [??] [??] L: You have my word back. L: I have your word? D: You have my word. D: It's yours. Dani Lets go. LATER Dani explains to Jason. Jason and Dani talk. Lisa in DR. D: She called me. She knew it. (Talking about Lisa asking Dani for her word on the deal) J: Yeah... this makes for better TV. At this point one of us make it. ... J: It ensures that you're there (in the Final two). ... J: Don't ... Do this: ... at this point anytime she ask a question, ask another question back off the subject. Like, if she goes: So did you tell Jason what we talked about? Go: (with voice of disbelief) Why would I talk to Jason about... whatever. Don't answer just ask a question. Like, are you kidding me? Dani asks Jason if he thought she did not try to do that. J: But you made statement though... right? D: Yeah, yeah ... (annoyed with herself) J: Don't make statements. Ask questions. Get her talking. ... Now both brushing teeth. D: I should have held on! J: It's just a game... and for me making sure that you get there ... if you go there against (Lisa).. you will win this! D: If I go against her? (J: yup/yeah) I don't think I will ... I'll be honest with you, if I make it to the 2 with you or her, I ain't winning it.... I don't feel it. ... D: I'm just a scumbagging fiend in this house.. (explaining to Jason why she won't get the $500K) J: ... you're in a great spot. Don't feel bad for me... D: My question to you is Jason, as a friend would you have done the same thing? (make a deal with Lisa) J: Danielle (D: What?), I don't know. Because every situation is so different. But probably in that situation, I would have felt cornered... you were cornered... weak... vulnerable... you have been in that tub for whatever... yeah, I don't know if I woulda cut a quick deal. If I had been in there for a couple of hours, I would've tried to cut a deal to get somebody else to let go of their key. I think the only thing that was a mistake is that in order to make that deal with her, you should have had her let go of her key... cause it's just a negociating tool... then you let me win. Jason then points out that he would've been in the same boat and have to beat Lisa at the 2nd HOH. |
Abbynormal | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:05 pm     Ok, call me really dumb, but I still am not getting it! A few things I'm clear on, but don't understand why. 1. Lisa and Dani both promised to take the other to final 2. 2. Dani and Jason both promised to take the other to final 2. 3. Why did Dani promise Lisa? Why couldn't she just tell Lisa that she and Jason had a deal? Lisa had already told Dani that neither of them could beat Jason in the final. 4. Why is Dani still telling Lisa that she needs to go for it tomorrow? I think Dani doesn't want Jason to win, because she feels she has a better chance with Lisa. 5. Jason said he would compaign for everyone to vote for Danielle. Then why is it imperative for him to win HOH? If he wants her to win, why is he trying so hard, they both think she can beat Lisa in the final. Sorry, but I must be blind. I am just not understanding what Dani is doing right now! Could someone please explain it to me like I am a 4 yr old?? |
Ptomaine | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:09 pm     The above dialog should give insight into what Dani was thinking. Here she is being truthful to Jason. For people who have contended that Jason is Dani's puppet, you can see here what Jason tends to do in the partnership ... he coaches Dani on what to do, while Dani coaches Jason on who to nominate/vote (she knows where the threats are). Here, Jason tells Dani how to evade a lie through re-direction. Another sequence of Jason's coaching, can be seen in the episode where Jason and Dani thinks that Marc will not nominate Roddy, Jason tells Dani to threaten Marc, but Dani refuses. |
Ptomaine | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:22 pm     Abbynormal: 5. Both Jason and Dani want their alliance to be part of F2. Jason would only campaign for Dani if neither he nor Dani win HOH. Jason must win HOH to evict Lisa. 1, 2, 4. From the transcript, Dani felt that Lisa was calling her bluff. If Dani and Jason did not have a deal, then what is preventing Dani from making a deal with Lisa? Jason thought it would have been good strategy, but only if Dani got Lisa to let go of the key. Dani was at the end of her limits, and was desperate to get Lisa to let go of Lisa's key. After the "deal" was made. Dani made a last attempt to hold on to her key, but couldn't. Dani was hoping that Lisa would let go of her key after the deal was made. 3. I'm not sure at this point, why they are still keeping their alliance a secret... but that is what their game has been. Jason thought that this "deal" may be good because it gives Dani an insight into Lisa's state of mind. Dani will report to Jason what Lisa is thinking. We can see the fruit of keeping their alliance a secret today. Lisa is less prepared for Saturday because if Dani wins HOHp2 then Lisa can breathe easy. It will be interesting to see if Dani did actually go for HOHp2. If she does, that will lull Lisa into a sense of security, and Dani will scumbag Lisa. If Jason wins it, Lisa will definitely have her guards up. BTW: Dani is suppose to throw it, per their plan. |
Dagny | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:50 pm     I think we are really missing the boat here. Dani letting go made no sense at all...like the orignal poster stated. Had Dani held on to the key...then making the deal with Lisa would be considered "scumbaggery" when she doesn't fullfill her oath to take Lisa to the end. At this point..Dani has done nothing scumbaggery to Lisa...and probably won't since she will blow the HOH. I am starting to wonder if Dani's scumbaggery wasn't towards Jason..and helping Lisa win HOH to ensure that Dani doesn't have to go up against Jason in the end. (although I am sure Dani will never admit to this) |
Lisad | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:57 pm     Dagny - Tho'... Did you see the feeds of Dani in the boat? It was almost painful to watch. I think anyone who watched that (even Dani haters) would agree that she was in utter pain, purple & shivering uncontrollably. She was legitimately losing it and couldn't last much longer anyway. And Lisa initiated the talk by saying she'd take Dani to the final 2. At least SOMETHING was accomplished because there was no way in hell she was going to hold out over Lisa. It seemed clear to me. She was positioned wrong, etc. She was out. But sure held on impressively for a long time for Jay. |
Dagny | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:43 pm     Then why didn't she just let go...and GIVE it to Lisa? She double dealed. How is the deal she made with Lisa going to help her and Jason make it to the final 2? (this is what her goal has been all along) |
Dagny | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:59 pm     After 4 hours..turning blue...and it wasn't pretty..why not just walk away?? She did her best!!! But no...she has to make sure Lisa took her to the final 2...(and after 4 hours Jason wouldn't begrudge her for opting out)..and she also had to make sure that she pushed Lisa into the finals for HOH...so that Dani has better shot of going up against Lisa at the end..instead of Jason. And she told Jason about her deal..so she could back out of HOH...and have him agree.. AND on the surface everyone should be happy... except that was Dani's plan..TO OUT JASON! Of course this is JMO. |
Spunky | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:25 pm     Dagny right again..... I swear to you guys we're not the same person!!! It's exactly so, however... Hey, it took me a while to figure that out... actually I drew the same conclusions after Danielle explained what she did to Jason and how she agreed to let Jason handle the HOH part 3 with Lisa. Now Jason is in the same position Lisa was in yesterday before the HOH part 1. He has to win it to survive. ...and of course, Lisa is now where Jason was before, and Danielle...well, she sure can relax now and let Jason sweat it out... she's safe already.. |
Lisad | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:26 pm     Dagny - Lisa totally initiated the conversation. Lisa started it all by saying she always figured she'd take Dani to the final 2. Dani didn't initiate/set out to make a deal. Oh - you are saying Dani intentionally wanted it to end up like this so she has a shot at getting Jason out so she has some semblance of any chance to win the big pot with Lisa? Wow. OK - I see what you're saying. I disagree. I don't think this was the intent or planned. I think the show tomorrow might shed some better light on what actually happened. Hopefully anyway. |
Dagny | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:30 pm     Spunky...I totally missed it!!! It wasn't till I was trying to explain it to my DH...and realized what I was saying made no sense. LOL "And Dani let lisa have it because..." I had no answer... I sat here for the next while trying to figure out why Dani REALLY made the deal. At first I thought it was because Dani wanted Lisa to take her to the end...and have both basis covered. But when I verbalized these thoughts to my DH...it made no sense why Dani let go of the key. WHY...WHY...WHy...as Dani would say... LOL Same person...just 6 hours later...and my poor DH is still wondering what I was yelling at him about. LOL |
Abbynormal | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:38 pm     Dagny, yes that is what I was thinking exactly. I guess I needed someone else to agree with me, so I at least felt like I had an inkling of what I perceived to be going on. LOL Thank you! |
Dagny | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:43 pm     I think my problem was...I focused on Dani telling Jason how she was scubbagering Lisa.. I was focused on that...and not the bigger picture. Why was she dealing with Lisa, only to turn on her later?? And my only thought was that she wanted Lisa to take her to the end...thus she has a spot in the final 2. That still holds true... LOL.. But there was MORE!! LOL JMO...explained above. I think Dani has even suckered me into believeing her word is her word!! LOL |
Wrat1010 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:44 pm     Makes sense she would rather have Lisa than Jason next to her in the final 2... she'd have at least one vote-- Jason's. She's probably also thinking she would have votes from Josh, Chiara, Amy and Lori that she wouldn't necessarily get if it was D versus J in the final. |
Spunky | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:46 pm     I think Lisa may not deserve to win because of that dumb move.... she was winning, she didn't have to promise nothing to Danielle. Really dumb! Now if she wins she is stuck with that... I hope she'll pull a ....Danielle...(like she did to Marcellas). |
Maris | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:49 pm     Lisa can say she didnt shake, her hand was on the key. |
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