Bbrules4ever | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:02 pm     no one is perfect of course....but i think marc is an important breakthrough for gay tv charcters, reality or otherwise. He is the first gay reality charcter i can recall who is: 1.Strong 2.Confident 3.Self-loving not self-loathing 4.Attractive 5.Proud! i hope marcellus inspires other young gay people to be proud of there sexuality....go marcellus! |
Maris | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:05 pm     I love Marcellas but I dont know that I would call him a breakthruogh for gay tv characters. He reminds me of Charles Nelson Reilly. Very funny but a total b**h. I would call someone like Jason a breakthrough for gay tv if he was gay. A guy who doesnt do the stereotypical queening out our bawling if things dont go his way. I am not saying Jason is gay but marcellas is very much a stereotype. |
Draheid | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:05 pm     IMHO - NO. He is, in my oppinion, often times 'over the top' with his comments toward people who are, again in my oppinion, forced to tolerate them, for the sake of the game. <self-moderated> JMO - FWIW |
Oregonfire | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:09 pm     Marcellas isn't a character; he's a person on a reality show. And he shouldn't have to be a poster boy for the gay movement. He is who he is as an individual. |
Zachsmom | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:09 pm     Why "Gay" role model? Can't he be a role model for Men? |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:12 pm     I don't like Mar enough to call him a role model for any group. |
Maris | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:12 pm     I would hope that Marcellas is not a role model for anyone. I dont know that I would call him a character but to me he is a caricature. I am sure I will get slammed for this opinion. The guy belongs in Zoolander. |
Chiparock | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:21 pm     Bbrules4ever's list of attributes more closely describes Richard Hatch, the original Survivor winner who also happens to be gay. In personalities, there is no comparison. Richard is the ultimate reality show player. He set the benchmark for playing the game and never allowed emotion to cloud his judgment. Marcellas, on the other hand .... Well, you get the picture. |
Lancecrossfire | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:23 pm     This thread will be moved to the outside the house area later this afternoon, as it doesn't pertain to the BB game in anyway. It's merely an evaluation of a person within the house. |
Muse | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:25 pm     I don't think Marcellas should be expected to be a good gay male role model. Because people don't expect Gerry, Jason, or Roddy to be good straight male role model, right? And I haven't really seen Marcellas say that he's striving to be a role model, either, so it's kind of unfair to pin him to that. That being said, though, I don't like Marcellas much these days. He has some good qualities, and I liked him a lot in the beginning. I even think I'd like him in real life, but in the house - no. Not a fan. |
Wedge | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:26 pm     I had asked my brother what he thought of him the other day ( and I am proud to say I have many gays in my family)...he didnt like him. Thought he was performing more of an "act"...but then this is just his opinion. Role model? I hope not...I prefer role models to be a tad bit more positive and not quite so condesending (but thats just me) |
Lovemarc | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:27 pm     It would be unfair to expect Marc to represent anyone but himself. Maybe the other HG's should be considered role models for straight people...at least as far as their open mindedness towards gay people. |
Nemesis | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:29 pm     IMHO, I don't think Marc is a good HUMAN ROLE MODEL.....Gay or Not! |
Zachsmom | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:30 pm     Lovemarc:Maybe the other HG's should be considered role models for straight people <shudder>Chiara a role model?<double shudder> |
Lurknomore | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:45 pm     Now Zachs don't be so quick to judge here. I actually think Chiara is an EXCELLENT role model (of everything I would want a daughter NOT to be) |
Woofy | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:02 pm     As a gay man, I think that some of the things that Marcellus does are hysterical ... but he certainly isn't a "special" role model for anybody or any group. What he is, however, is an example of the diversity of types within the gay community, and within the black community, and within the community of men, etc., etc., etc. I guess we could say he's a role model for certain types of people ... perhaps the slightly (to extreme) pissy types, the opinionated types, the self-involved types ... he does show people that "they are not alone" in their thinking, their behavior, and their appearance. But I wouldn't classify him generally as a rolemodel. |
Tweepee | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:08 pm     Thanks for moving this thread away, Lancecrossfire. It's just asking for trouble. |
Seanflynn | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:11 pm     If you go into nearly any gay bar in the any US city on a weekend night, those who unfamiliar with gays would not "suspect" that 90% of the men are gay. There are far fewer examples of the old stereotype these days. Far more typical of contemporary US gay men is the nurse from the bay area on the last Survivor. |
Ericzj | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:15 pm     "Far more typical of contemporary US gay men is the nurse from the bay area on the last Survivor." I didn't know Omaha Nebraska had a bay. ;) Signed, Nebraska resident |
Woofy | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:21 pm     Ericzj ... I don't care where Survivor said that John was from ... he was more recently from the San Francisco bay area than from Omaha ... Remember folks, they still haven't mentioned that Roddy and Josh are both residents of Studio City, California (just blocks from the BB House as a matter of fact!) |
Earthmother | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:26 pm     I don't think he is a good role model for the human race. His behavior has been less than humane. Is anyone questioning whether Chiara is a good role model for young women? It's not thier job to be a poster child for any group. It's ridiculous, his sexual preference has nothing to do with it. |
Woodpecke® | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:27 pm     Marcellus over the course of this game made himself seem scummy and hypocritical. When he leaves the house and Julie asks him why he hated Gerry so much, his answer will not only be nonsensical but downright pathetic. He is not a nice or sexy or even alluring person. Just plain mean. (There was a message in there for someone and I hope she noticed, lol.) |
Curlyq | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:28 pm     I don't think anyone would be looking to the Big Brother house for role models. I'd rather look at people who have their lives together and are making a difference in their communities, rather than looking to people who are simply trying to win a jackpot in a game. Gosh, that sounded a lot more self-righteous than I meant it to. Anyway, I just don't think the HGs care to be thought of as role models. Remember when Amy brought up to Roddy how she felt she needed to watch what she did now that she knows children are watching the show? Roddy's oh so sensitive reply was "That's not OUR responsibility." |
Wedge | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:29 pm     Bingo, Earthmother. Well said! |
Woodpecke® | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:32 pm     This thread is kinda silly. Good thing it is only a TV show and the people on it mean nothing to me except cancelling plans on Thursday nights so I can be home and watch this crap. That makes sense doesn't it? |
Auntie | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:36 pm     Marcellas was cast to fit a certain stereotype, the gay diva IMO. So, if you're someone who uses stereotypes as your standards for role models, then he probably is a "good" role model. If you think stereotypes are stupid to use as role models, then he is probably a "bad" role model. |
Theo17 | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:38 pm     I dont view marcy as a role model for anything. he is a person thats it. we dont all represent our religions, nationalitys or anything else because thats getting in to stereotyping. Kiki might be trash but she isnt a role model for italians or nyers. |
Woodpecke® | Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:46 pm     Jason is a role model for any male that vows to remain a virgin while bikini clad babes flaunt their goodies in his shocked yet determined face for 80 consecutive tantilizing and grueling days! |
Goddess146 | Friday, August 23, 2002 - 01:22 am     let me put it this way... is Chiara a role model for young women? is Roddy a role model for middle aged men? is Gerry a role model for teachers? . . is Arnold Shapiro a role model for dot com success? . . |
Chance | Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 08:48 am     Macellas couldn't model his way out of a paper bag in terms of anything positive. |
Toolhound | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:11 am     Marcellas isn't a good anything!!! |
Yellek | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 04:08 pm     Aaaah!!! Roddy middle aged?? I hope that was based on how old his bald spot makes him seem rather than his stated age of 30. Can you tell I turned 30 this year? hehe |
Breezy | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:01 pm     Didn't Marcellas say that "whenever I look in the mirror, I am never disappointed"? Amy said that Marcellas was commenting upon how he always said he was "perfect". How in the world did such in imperfect person achieve such a high opinion of himself? |
Wcv63 | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 04:05 pm     I agree with the self-affirmation aspect of Marc's character, I just wish it wasn't at the expense of others. Many of us would benefit from a healthy dose of Stuart's Daily Affirmations. I am good enough, I am smart enough, and dammit I deserve it! |