Danielle.. betrayed Jason?
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Meggieprice | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:54 pm     OT Car-Jason seems to be a reality TV junkie but he doesn't know that we watched the food competitions live last year (as this) and also watched the end of the endurance HOH on the water bed live too. He told Lisa last night that the comp wasn't on the live feeds. I am surprised he doesn't know more. Sagg- I totally agree. |
Bernie | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:02 pm     What I noticed and mentally wondered at was the fact that Jason was telling Danielle that she had nothing to apologise for, blah blah, when she was upset after the comp, and they had their post-mortem, but I never heard him say 'I'm sorry for blowing it myself, Danielle'. Since my feeds were giving me the night from RP hell, after being angelic all day yesterday, he may have said it and I missed it, but his demeanour seemed oblivious to the fact that he needed to bear some responsibility for her having spent 4 and 1/2 hours in extreme conditions! And his behaviour during their ordeal was positively surreal, but he did try to be as helpful as possible when they got out. Last night, Jason's actions were strange altogether, and I'm still wondering what the heck he was thinking. |
Rolandcat | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:15 pm     Last night, Jason's actions were strange altogether, and I'm still wondering what the heck he was thinking. There were a few FOTH for no apparent reason last night. I was wondering if BB gave Jason some instructions to go bother Lisa and Dani? |
Laffy | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:17 pm     jason never had a 2/3 chance to make the finals because of the 3 part HOH comp. if lisa won part one he has a 1/2 chance of getting to finals. he would have the same chance if there was no deal between lisa and dani and dani won part 2. since she is throwing it his chances of winning are the same. only one of he and dani could have competed in part 3 with lisa anyway, so his chance was still only 1/2. to have a better chance lisa had to lose last night and she had no intention of losing. so nothing has changed at all for jason. for dani, she assured herself of a place in the finals. but that deal did not decrease jason's chances at all. he probably would have won over dani in part 2 anyway and still had to go up against lisa in part 3. |
Bunyun | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:17 pm     You can bet that if Lisa wins HOH, Dani will literlly be in her face reminding her in not so kind words, you promised me, you promised, so don't you go breaking no promise,or I will be after you. It seems it's ok for Dani to break promises, but "God forbid" if anyone ever THINKS of breaking one to her. It's ok in her mind to lie and stab someones back, but not OK for someone else to do the same. Yes, Dani has played the game well. But she keeps forgetting that others can be the same way. I would like to think that Lisa is a very quiet but deadly type. Just my opinion. |
Bernie | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:26 pm     Rolandcat, I said something like that last night on another thread, because I recall it happening last year, so I agree, BB might have been stirring the pot. Jason's actions were out of character. |
Auntkk | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:26 pm     I'm still stunned that they evicted Amy instead of Lisa. Amy would have been so much easier to beat with the jury vote. |
Pugholio | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:32 pm     If your goal is to guarantee yourself the final, the only way is to show the guts to take whatever they throw at you . The two most gutless bailed out. |
Watcher | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:40 pm     Bernie, I was thinking the same thing. I never heard Jason apologize either for his part in blowing the competition last night when Danielle kept apologizing to him, even after she stayed with it for over 4 hours or however long, but maybe I missed it, too. I kept thinking about what a hard time he gave them all just for blowing the food competition that night and saying he could have done it if he could have competed...letting them know that he would have tried harder than they did. Guess I was surprised he didn't try harder last night for something that was SO much more important. |
Mkcwible | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:15 pm     I think Danny knows that if she goes to the final two with Jason that she can only win the $50,000, but thinks that if she goes with Lisa that she may have a chance at the grand prize. I know she has said that $50,000 is good enough for her, but come on, when you are that close to a half-mil?? I think she is throwing this HOH in hopes that Lisa will win it and take her, thus getting rid of her biggest threat (jason) without looking like such a scumbag. Her offering to take her hand off the key if Lisa takes her to the final two was a stab in the back to Jason, but it will be like twisting the knife if she throws the rest of the competition knowing that would put Jason out of the game completely. That would be totally crappy of her, I think. Jason's only chance here is to win HOH himself. If Lisa wins she will definitely take Danny with her to the end, and would be stupid not to because she couldn't beat Jason and she knows it. If Danny wins, she would have to take Jason or look like a scumbag, which is why I think she doesn't want to win. I think it would be so funny if somehow she won anyway. |
Spunky | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:25 pm     Well, it looks like. Jason will have to win tomorrow or go. Danielle is safe with Lisa. But if it's Danielle who has to play against Lisa she won't even try since Lisa will take her to the finals. Jason is gone. So, Jason has no choice but win. Danielle can't win otherwise she has to take Lisa instead of Jason....so she said to Lisa... |
Dfwteddy | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:20 pm     Some catch-all comments by a johnny-come-late-to-the-party! You pick the reason why Jason didn't stay in the boat: (1) He had a touch of the flu and wasn't feeling well; (2) He was distracted by a missile launch; (3) He was trying the Richard Hatch move (pole standing competition among the final three in Survivor I when Richard almost immediately gave up, leaving Kelly and Rudy to compete for immunity); or (4) He just screwed up! Most logical reason he kept bringing out food to tempt Lisa and Dani? He was told to do it by BB. Another reason you can tell Jason watched BB2 -- he held out for $15k for the phone call. BB always makes three offers. (Remember in BB2 when Bucky sold out the group for three days of PB&J in exchange for $5000? He wanted BB to take it back, and when they didn't he said he was going to donate the money to charity because he felt so guilty.) Dani going for the first offer showed she'd not watched BB2; Amy stopping at $10k showed she'd not watched BB2; and Jason suspected one of the others (probably Amy) would take the phone offer, so he held out for BB's third and final offer. (Like Bucky, Jason would have felt bad about the money if he'd actually won... or at least until he learned that Amy and Dani had both sold out the group, too.) [Lisa didn't accept the offer because she: (A) really wanted to talk with her family; or (B) was scared that accepting the offer might set her up for eviction -- best to let Jason be upset with Amy (the most likely to accept the offer) and vote Amy off that week. (I think this fear of winning too much was also one of the reasons Lisa was not initially all that excited about winning the America's Choice).] No Brainer Prediction: Dani will throw the next competition for HoH secure in the knowledge that whoever wins ultimately takes her to the finals. By throwing the second part of the competition, Dani is no longer in the running for the final HoH and the third competition will be between Lisa and Jason. I have no problem with the "deal" Dani made with Lisa. As I understand it, in exchange for Lisa's promise to take her to the finals Dani would take her hand off the key. Thus Lisa was assured one of the two spaces in the third part of the competition. (She still has to win the third competition against Jason for final HoH, and Dani is assured of making it to the finals no matter who wins HoH this week.) Dani has been upfront with Jason -- family first, Jason second. Dani's isn't the type to sacrifice herself for someone else she just met two months ago, so of course she's looking out for herself -- the way the game should be played. (Had Dani been the first to leave and Jason had been in the boat with Lisa, I'm not sure what he would have done to end the challenge -- at this stage of the game I don't see him making a promise to Lisa he knows he couldn't keep, and I don't think he would break his alliance with Dani. He may have been able to finess himself out of the situation, or maybe they'd still be there. We'll never know now.) Just my thoughts. |
Ptomaine | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:43 am     What the HG had to say. THE PHONE LUXURY COMPETITION Jason stated that he thought the first offer was too low, because all of them combined would yield $4K. Jason said that at $15K he knew to take it. [If you observe his interaction with Julie, when Jason said "Really" he was acting, so Jason probably knew the game from watching BB2] DANI TO THROW HOH part2? Jason tells Dani that Dani musn't break her word to Lisa unless they think that part3 requires memory. Jason thinks he can beat Lisa, but Dani has doubt. Jason gave Dani advice on throwing HOHP2, and if Dani follows the plan, it will be Jason v Lisa on Saturday. The advantage of Dani winning part2, is that in part3 Lisa may think she has a safety net with Dani being an ally. Dani tells Jason that she will have to break her word to Lisa. WHO IS DANI FAITHFUL TO At this point she is loyal to Jason first. She is not giving Lisa the entire truth, while relaying truthful information to Jason. Dani still maintain that she does not have an alliance with Jason (lie). Dani tells Jason about her deal with Lisa. Jason gives Dani advice on how to evade Lisa, if Lisa asks Dani if she (Dani) told Lisa about their pool deal. |
Spunky | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:01 am     Lisa by now should have guessed she will compete with Jason today and this should tell Lisa that Danielle never meant to honor her word to Lisa since Jason will have to evict her should he win. So, if Lisa wins she should tell Danielle, I saw through you and you didn't make any effort to save me since you let Jason sweat it out, so I won't tak you with me and I'll take Jason, not because he's any better but at least he didn't promise me something he never intended to keep. This would be great tv! |
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