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Amac

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In another thread I was reminded of the Colby/Tina alliance in Survivor Outback. Colby could have taken Keith with him to the finale and surely won the $1,000,000. But he felt Tina was more deserving of the spot and they'd had a secret alliance all along anyhow. Colby faced Tina in the finale, lost the $1,000,000 by one vote, and in the judgment of many was a fool for bringing Tina with him.

If the money is as important to Dani as she claims, should she remain true to Jason? Is Jason not more likely than her to win the million if/when they face the jury? Jason seems to be more respected and better liked by the former HGs (as well as on this board). Would Dani not have a better chance at the million if she were up against, say, Amy? How important is one's word at this stage of the game if it could cost you the big winnings? Solicing opinion here--what does everyone think?

Auntiedotcom

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
dani has made it very clear that she is a huge survivor fan. she is well aware of what happened to colby, and you can bet that is in the back of her mind all the time.

if she really wants to win, she should get rid of him, but it doesn't really matter if she does or not at this point.

she will not be able to win against ANY of the final four.

jason + dani = jason wins
nobody will vote for danielle against jason, it'll be a bloodbath.

lisa + dani = lisa wins:
SURE votes for lisa:

roddy
gerry
marci
amy
jason (he'll have been scammed to leave)
eric
josh
chiara

amy + dani - amy wins

SURE votes for amy:

lisa
jason
marci
gerry
eric
roddy

dani is gonna be lucky if she makes it to number two. amy is gonna spill her guts to jason tomorrow on the cruise, and lisa and dani are prolly gonna get into an argument and dani will tell jason to keep amy

Dagny

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What is Amy going to spill (her guts) to Jason? I must have missed something...cause I can't think what Amy would tell Jason..

Wendo

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Auntiee, what could Amy spill to Jason about Dani that he doesn't already know? Just curious.

As far as Dani honoring her alliance with Jason? No, I don't think she has to. That's the game. However, I honestly don't think she'd dump him if she won the final HOH. At least, not as of today.

Re: Lisa and Dani alone in the house tomorrow. They both said they were actually looking forward to it. Just relaxing and hanging out with no pressure or stress. Who knows though. I don't see them fighting though.

Wendo

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just to add, I'm surprised that after all this time, people still don't believe that Jason and Dani will stick together, no matter what people say to them about each other. *shrug*

Gouraphik

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why? Because nothing is certain, and skepticism is a virtue in a game like this. As the Boy Scouts say (or at least, as I think they say)...be prepared.

Loriwillwin

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani said at the beginning - and she keeps saying repeatedly - "just when you think you know me, you don't." She intrigues me! Everyone keeps trying to squeeze her into the backstabbing mold. She stated at the beginning of the show that Jason's faith in God is what drew her to him immediately. If I "know" Dani (and I probably don't!), dropping Jay at the eleventh hour isn't what she has in mind.

It's something else (equally clever, mind you).

NUMBER ONE (keep this mind): if she TAKES Jay to the finals, then she'll earn everyone's respect and admiration right then and there. I'D give her the money in that scenario, rather than giving it to a young kid who still lives with his parents (?).

NUMBER TWO: maybe the two of them have an endgame scenario mapped out where Jay urges the houseguests to vote for Dani (?).

She has fooled everyone - Marci - Roddy. What makes you think that she hasn't fooled YOU?

Krossd

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, Lisa wants a girl to win... it is in Dani's best interest to NOT go for HOH next week if Lisa remains because either Jason wins and takes Dani, or Lisa wins and takes Dani (which helps Dani get rid of Jason without actually betraying him).

Tomorrows converstations between Dani and Lisa should be revealing. Dani will want to fish out if Lisa is taking her, maybe without actually making a deal so she doesn't betray Jason. I hope Lisa gives her word even without asking, altho it is Jason that actually votes, Lisa is more stable a choice than Amy is for this round, and Amy is better at winning competitions, obviously).

Question is.. will Jason and Amy come to an 'agreement' on the outing. I don't think so... Dani and Jason have given their word to Lisa, and I don't see him backing out of that.

It isn't over yet, for those who still care.

Adrian

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo,

It's going to be a no-win situation for Dani next week (if and when she wins HOH again), for the Dani <detractors>, SHE WILL BE MORE STUPID THAN MARCELLAS IF SHE'LL BRING JASON WITH HER IN THE FINAL 2 (don't forget that everyone is expecting she is going to lose with anybody) OR SHE IS INDEED THE REAL DEVIL IF SHE BETRAYS JASON.

(c)

Cricket

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think she will honor her alliance to Jason. She does have a chance, even up against Jason. She has played the game the smartest and that's what counts in the final vote.

Adrian

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The best strategy for Danielle (and I think this is what she is going to do), is not even try to win HOH next week. Let J or L do the final dirty trick.

She will be true to her word which is "not to do the stupid thing" i.e, bringing the nice person into the Final 2 (re: her conversation with Lisa about Colby & Kim bringing with them Tina & Ethan into the Final 2).

Of course Lisa/Jason will pick her into the Final 2 with her/him.

Fabnsab

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She has never for one moment wavered from her alliance with Jason. I cannot wait for this show to be over so I can stop typing this in every thread, it seems. That woman is faithful and true to the one person she said she would be- Jason. She has kept him from being nominated numerous times. She has said in the DR that she would not mind losing to Jason but it must be them two in the end. Why would she lie about that in the DR? She doesn't lie about anything else, thats whats costing her this game. Danielle and Jason are the real deal, people. She will not betray him. Of course she will go for HOH because she knows Jason is out if Lisa wins. Or she may be out. She had to learn from Marcellas that nothing is set in stone so don't be overconfident. I give her credit. She played fair with Jason, even respecting his need to vote differently from her and to not nominate Roddy. She was never highhanded with him as others have stated. She and he have a mutual respect for the other in this game and they will stay true to their word...stepping off my soapbox now. I should just start cutting and pasting this message.

Wcv63

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fabnsab I knew if I waited long enough to post in this thread you would do all the typing for me. :O

Needless to say, I agree with your post 100%!

Battlestar

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Danielle will try to win HOH. She is fairly confident that everyone will take her to the final 2 (though I'm sure she wants it to be Jason& her)

Jhezzie

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani will never win against Jason. She's doomed either way. If she dumps him, she's toast with the jury for backstabbing her boy. If she keeps him, the jury will choose him.
She should have dumped him long ago and kept Marc or Amy. At least she would have had a chance.:)(I would still want Amy to win, of course!)

Eden

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle bashed other HGs! GASP!

Who has been as honest as Danielle in the DR. Maybe, Marcellas. He's gone.

Who has played this game with the same savvy as Danielle. No one.

Who has been as loyal to their NAMED ally as Danielle. No one.

Who deserves to win the game more than Danielle. No one!

Crossfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If getting to the end was the only qualification to winning this game, Danielle has a really good shot at winning, and with that criteria, she would be deserving.

Unfortunately for her, this game is not that simple. Getting to the end is not enough.

I personally, don't think we can make the call on how good her game is until we hear her final comments to the jury. Of all the moves she has made, this is going to be the most important one.

Getting to the end, is worth 50 grand, and if she gets there, bravo, she has 1 million percent earned it.

Getting to the end without everyone hating you, is worth 10 times that much, and is much harder.

If nothing, that house was loaded to the hilt with hypocrites, her included, so I don't think they will have any trouble at all ignoring their own faults when casting votes.

Kae

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually think that Danielle, Jason and Lisa have all played a very good game. Each one has some plusses and minuses, but so far I think Jason has played the best.

Danielle - she was really great at making all those "spider" alliances. I think she was going to be in the final three with just about everyone in the house and they believed her. :) I think the biggest drawback is that she spoke too much trash in the diary room about the evicted HGs. She's either not thinking about the end vote or she's thinking that anything in the DR is not on TV. I wonder if there is anything in the LIVE FEEDS with Jason telling Danielle that the DR is a safe place to unload or some misleading info on the final vote. If so, that may be a calculated move by Jason to allow Dani to hang herself. I think Jason was an avid bigbrother fan, so he knows the ins and outs. With Dani trashing everyone that's gone, she might just make too many enemies. The Jury at the end might forget how skilled she played the game and not vote for her because of the trash talk. The trash talk is the only negative thing that Dani has done in playing the game. In all other aspects, she has played very well; excellent in fact.

Jason has been really good at not making enemies. Very few times has he slipped into some "not so nice guy" behaviour. Almost all of his behavior has been to be the good guy that everyone likes. I think he's done that with the end vote in mind. He knows that he can't make anyone in the end angry at him. I think that's why he's not trashing people. I think he's played the game the best overall, but he seemed to ride dani's coat tail aliances. I'm not sure if that was calculated or not.

Lisa wasn't playing at all with Eric in the picture. I'm not certain that she knows Dani is stringing her along, but she's certainly suspicious now. I think she might win if placed against Dani. She might even win if she's up with Jason. Wasn't she a part of the original six? Lisa/Jason is a toss up. The six might take Lisa over Jason. Won't know until it happens. Most of it will depend on if Jason gets rid of her. Convenient for Dani because Dani isn't voting and if Jason votes Lisa out, then Lisa might support Dani instead. Depends on whether Dani trashes her in the DR after she leaves.

Just being in the final four is a big plus for Amy. She could be in the final three, if Jason votes for Lisa instead of Amy. The jury might count Amy's original eviction against her. Amy is like BB2's Will, but without the blatant coniving. I don't think she'll win, but anything can happen.

Oh the suspence is killing me. I can't wait to see what happens.

I think the winner will be:

Jason/Dani winner Jason
Jason/Amy winner Jason
Jason/Lisa winner Jason, but possibly Lisa

Dani/Amy winner Dani
Dani/Lisa winner Lisa

Lisa/Amy winner Lisa

I think Dani will realize that she might not have a chance against Jason and she'll try to drop him next week if she win's HOH.

I think Jason will stick with Dani, because I think he'll win with anyone except possibly Lisa.

If Lisa is still there for the final three and she gets HOH, she'll probably dump Jason.

That is if they're playing the game and not just making friends.

Krossd

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 02:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I still think Danielle may not be as gung ho for HOH this week, (unless something happens from how things are 'set' right now, there still is 5 more days till Thursday) regardless (of who stays) they all will take her with them to the final 2.

To quote thought from above: "Nothing is set in stone so don't be overconfident." & the theme of, "Expect the unexpected!"

Fabnsab

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 02:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63, I'm glad to see there are a few of us trusting souls out there.

Ya know, I never give Lisa much thought but now that so many people are saying what a good game she has played, it made me stop and analyze her. Gamewise, she was comatose for the first 4 weeks or so. She didn't do anything but snuggle and cuddle with Eric. She would never take her emotions out of the picture concerning Gerry nominating her and Eric. She got on the Dani train and rode that to the final 3. She wanted badly to give Roddy a sympathy vote, knowing it could backfire. I think she has played with too much emotion and not enough smarts. Yeah, she is waking up now but come on...the groundwork has been laid. I do give her credit for going against Chia and Roddy, then voting Amy back. That took guts but other than that, I am not impressed.

Cameltoes

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If she was going to turn on Jason, it would have happened already. She is fully aware that she's in trouble against either Lisa or Jason because of her DR's. If this was her primary concern, she would have engineered Lisa's eviction last week and kept both Marcellas and Amy around. As it is, she wanted Marcellas gone since he was a threat to Jason and now she wants Amy gone. These are the 2 people she had the best shot of winning against. This indicates to me that she has no intention of turning on Jason.

Texastillie

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I love Jason, Amy & Lisa. But IMO, this has been the Danielle Show from day one. Although some of the things she says in the DR seem to be meant to be funny, I really do not believe Dani knows or remembers that some DR convos are made public.

Dani has truly protected Jason all along. He has never protected her. After Eric left, Lisa, too, rode her coattail. (Poor little Amy has always been on her own.) Danielle has manipulated the game masterfully.

I believe Danielle will stay true to Jason to the end, as he will to her. I also don't see Jason going back on his word to keep Lisa. That puts us to Dani/Jason/Lisa for final 3. Lisa has obviously become aware of the D/J alliance and realizes that Dani is the lead, but she is much closer to Dani than to Jason and if she wins HOH, I believe she will evict Jason.

It will be impossible for the evicted HGs to be impartial judges of the final two. But, I really think that if I was one of them, I would vote for Dani to win - she deserves it.

Bluie

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani loves to point out the foolish. But she's a complete fool if she thinks she can win and have Jason at her side. She's been dissing the HG's right and left in the DR. Why would they vote for her ? Jason has been sucking up since day one in the DR. Some of the HG's might be able to see through this but alot of them will fall for his phony compliments.

Personally I don't want either Dani or Jason to win. So I hope she takes Amy to the end with her and the HG's all vote for Amy while Dani wipes up her chin from the floor.

In other words, no! ~ she should not stay true to the alliance. Jason would dump her in a hearbeat if he thought he couldn't win over her.

Angelwings

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One of the good qualities about Dani is that she has stayed true to Jason. I am not sure what would be best for her to do. I would not mind her coming in second but I do not want her to win. If she does not pick Jason, I think that will be the last straw and she will end up in second, no matter who is with her. But if she does pick Jason, will everyone look at that as one good honest thing she has done and will that be enough to vote her the winner. BB is one of the hardest ones to really stay on top of the winner. I love BB but I am looking forward to Survivor. If there is a BB4 I will be sure to watch that one also.

Mrdisguise

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Colby faced Tina in the finale, lost the $1,000,000 by one vote, and in the judgment of many was a fool for bringing Tina with him."


Colby lost by ONE VOTE?
So if Colby was nicer to JERRI- he could have gotten her vote since she was in lust with him?
Jerri asked Colby a question at the jury vote- and Colby gave her a rude answer.
So if Colby had given Jerri the answer she wanted to hear- Colby could have won.