Archive through September 19, 2002
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Archive through September 19, 2002
Bbfanatic12345 | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 06:37 pm     First time poster..I've lurked for weeks...This is just my opinion but I think the evitcted HG should vote on their own perceived experience in the house and not be permitted to watch the tapes, feeds and message boards because it will throw everthing off. The comments in the DR room should not be reviewed until after the show is over because that is for us(the VIEWERS EARS ONLY). This way the HG get to vote on THEIR experience only not what they've learned aterwards. Just like on survivor they are secluded until the end without any other influences not ever each other. This makes sense to me... Why should the HG by influenced by any other things?? Do the remainding HG know that the other evicted HG are watching them??? No flaming please....JMO.. |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 06:41 pm     I am undecided on this. On one hand I agree with you and on the other I think that if they don't watch the tapes they really won't know who played the best game and it will just be a popularity contest. I would really like to hear some other opinions to convince me one way or the other. |
Auntkk | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 06:41 pm     Heya, BBfanatic. I tend to agree with you, but like stopping music piracy, it's very hard to enforce. Until the day when the MP3 police go door to door looking for pirated copies, nobody can do a darn thing about it. CBS would be equally powerless to stop the evicted HG's from having a relative tape the shows unless they pack them all off into hotels for the remainder of the season, and that's just not feasible when it comes to people having to earn a living and go about their daily lives. Would be interesting to see how such seclusion would affect the outcome, however. Your vision intrigues me. I'd like to see it if such a move were possible. |
Draheid | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 06:41 pm     Bbfanatic12345: In the context of the GAME, I disagree. I think it's important that they see everything since that is the only way that they can truly decide who played the best game and vote accordingly. However, given the oppinions I have personally formed about this year's houseguests, I doubt that they will give much consideration to the 'context of the game' when casting their votes. Rather, I expect they will vote 'emotionally' for the person they personally want to win, irrespective of their game skills. JMO - FWIW |
Itsallgood | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 06:44 pm     Oh well, too late, the evicted HG I'm sure have already seen the tapes and the shows up to now! I think they should see them. |
Costacat | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 06:45 pm     I'm with Draheid on this. As part of the game, the advantage of getting kicked out and losing the big bucks is you can make an informed decision. Whether that information forms an emotional (I like this person better) or rational (I like the way this person played the game better) decision is not relevant. Costacat is still pouting cause Draheid didn't include her in his list! |
Curlyq | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 06:50 pm     I agree that they should have access to all information to make the best decision. If they vote emotionally, then that's part of the game too. The idea is to get the others out of the house without making enemies out of a majority of them, and if you weren't able to accomplish that then you didn't play the best game (at least not in my opinion). According to the the original Survivors, the jury members that season did share information and had a lot of discussions before the vote so that everyone would be up to speed on everything that happened when they weren't around. It was only in the seasons that followed that the jury stopped talking about the game. |
Pesto | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:09 pm     BBfan, In a perfect world, it would be cool to witness that rule and would probably make for some good dramatic television too, especially if BB could edit the juicy DR pieces to show the HGs AFTER they vote. That is also the reason I was really curious this year as to how the sequestered HG would fare coming back into the house (not too bad apparently [high 5 to Amy ]. I also felt this way, UNTIL Cassandra (who I loved) got booted from the BB1 house and stated she was not going to watch the tapes until after the votes. AHHHHHHH!!!! What discipline! If it were me, I would be have run to this site with a keg of coffee and a trunk of amphetamines and read every LFP word until I knew every last detail! (OK, well maybe just the coffee.) Also, I think the biggest "outside" influence in BB is the DR facilitators who question the HGs. One of their primary roles is to "stir the pot" for better tv and that can't help but alter the game. Roddy really impressed me with his comments about what he gleaned from the questions he was asked in the DR. (Just giving the devil his due ) |
Cindyluvsroddy | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:22 pm     i think Dani fans would not want the other HG's to view tapes of the shows etc ... lol |
Bbfanatic12345 | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:30 pm     I still say they should be secluded until the end. I think I read somewhere were Marci and Roddy were compaining against Dani....This just shows what sore losers they are....I don't know if Roddy still has influences on the evicted HG...seclusion would prevent things like this from happening...Okay...my question still was not answered...Do the remainding HG know that the evicted HG are watching them??? I guess they do since Eric was able to contact Lisa thru the internet....just checking to make sure I am correct.... |
Costacat | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:34 pm     BBfan, they may not KNOW that the remaining HGs are watching (they've not had anyone confirm) but I am sure they SUSPECT they are. I am also sure that they know most of 'em have watched the tapes. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:37 pm     I think the game where they don't get to watch the tapes before voting is called 'Survivor'. This is Big Brother. Different game. Part of winning this game is being able to get former HGs to vote for you even after they view the tapes and read the LFPs or whatever they want to do. That is this game. If you want to completely alter the nature of this game you can - but then it wouldn't be Big Brother. |
Bbfanatic | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:49 pm     hi, this is bbfanatic that has been here for bb1,bb2,&bb3 and i agree with you gina8642. it is part of the game. |
Loppes | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:56 pm     Sounds like they are watching clips from different competitions. Lon |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 08:01 pm     And of course there ARE no tapes. They can see what we have seen, assuming someone taped the shows for them.. and they can see anything on the internet. They always think they will get some sort of set of tapes, including ALL the Diary Rooms but this isn't true.. Kent and others have verified that. I think that the final two should be scrutinized by the jury.. even on Survivor the jury members come to the tribal councils which apparently consist of more than we see on the shows, so they aren't totally in the dark.. not to mention that they may be sequestered with other jury members so they hear what has gone on each "week". |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:57 pm     Not permitted to watch tape? Isn't that Survivor? Personally, I think they should be able to watch the show tapes. Helps to make a better informed decision on who to give the money to. Cindyluvsroddy, and I'm a Dani fan, so, I disagree with your assumption. |
Luckhunter777 | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:17 pm     I believe that watching the tapes is an integral part of the game and here is my reasoning ... This is Big Brother ... In 1984 - Orwell's book that the name came from the whole point was being watched, and judged. Once a HG is no longer a contestant they become part of Big Brother - the watchers, judges. The point of big Brother is you are being watched, all the time by someone somewhere -- And it just might be someone that holds your fate in thier hands... it holds the concept together... my point of view ... |
Eden | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:28 pm     I have to agree with Bbfanatic. What is the point of the DR if it is not private, as advertised? What will the show be for us when NO ONE shares their true feelings or thoughts in the DR because they know evicted HGs will race to tapes of the show? No... Evicted HGs should vote on their experience in the house. How they FELT when about the game when they left! That is the game they played or at least their perception of it. BB needs to find some way to make the DR a true refuge for the players and the viewers, not fodder for ousted HGs with a grudge. I for one don't want to see a lot of Roddy like DR entries or even Jason... Someone who said nothing about something for the entire game! |
Sanfranjoshfan | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:29 pm     Of COURSE the jury of ex-HGs should be able to converse with one another, discuss their votes...AND they should be able to see all the tapes and all the internet they want. They are called a "jury" because they are the peers of the finalists....they are the ones that get to evaluate the evidence (tapes) and consider the witnesses (their observations of statements made to them while they were still in the house AND any statments and observations made by live feed watchers on the internet). Just like a real JURY in a courthouse, the BB JURY should be allowed to discuss the evidence among themselves and lobby one another for their votes on the final outcome. That's why they call it a JURY. If they weren't allowed to have those options, then why should they even be included in the final vote? The BB producers could just flip a coin instead. |
Jeeny98 | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 01:04 am     Luckhunter777: Great point! So true. It's so Big Brother 1984. Makes it that much more spooky and interesting. Any other way, it would be like Survivor, would be a different game, and they'd have to rename the show to....um...something else.  |
Duckie24 | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 07:46 am     Excellent point sanfranjosh, but a real JURY cannot discuss the case until it has been given to them by the judge, after all testimony and closing arguments. So, according to your analogy, they should be able to view evidence and not discuss amongst themselves until voting night. I agree with whomever pointed out that Rod and Marc shouldn't be lobbying others against Danielle right now. |
Cousin_Jake | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 07:52 am     The people who have been evicted are still in the game until the votes are cast, they're just not in the house right now. I have no problem with vote discussion outside. This is as much a part of the game as the interactions within the house. People lobby others for votes inside the house and it continues outside. This is the aspect of the game that some of the houseguests just never seemed to get. Staying to the end is 3/4 of the game ..... getting there and having players you evicted feel like giving you their vote is the rest. |
Costacat | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 08:12 am     Seamonkey, the "manual" they get states specifically that they (CBS or ASP) will NOT be providing tapes of any shows, and they are on their own in making arrangements for said tapes to be made (presumably by family/friends). So I think when the HGs refer to "looking at the tapes" they are talking about stuff that people have recorded for 'em. |
Spunky | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 08:25 am     They should watch the Live Feeds and base their votes on what they see. But the tv show is edited and may be hiding important facts for the Jury, they shouldn't base their vote on the edited show but on what they see on the Live Feeds. I doubt, however, that they take the time to watch the Live Feeds and they may just browse the net and see what people say and watch the tv show. That may condition their voting. |
Jagger | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 11:19 am     I think they should be allowed to use what ever means they feel are needed to come to their conclusion on who they want to vote for, they are all part of the game and under CBS's control until after the show is over,or longer for publicity reasons, therefore they should still be allowed to play the game their way. Some have said they will only watch the show, others I would assume have people watching the show and the live feeds and will have them voice their opinions. If I were in the house and got the boot I would want to know who was strategizing behind my back. |
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