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Bmh | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 01:33 pm     I think Danielle has already figured out a new game plan..and knows exactly what she is gonna do..She is gonna kick out Amy this week(maybe making Jason do a tie-breaker vote)..then next week not win HOH and hope either Marcellas or Lisa win HOH and nominate herself and Jason..and then the lone-voter will get rid of Jason with the seeds planted in their head that Jason is too much of a threat to win the game as Dani has been saying..and then the final three will be Lisa,Dani,and Marcellas..then she hopes Marcellas wins HOH and takes her to the final 2..where she gives a great speech and walks away with 500,000 dollars..ta daa..Dani wins..it is so simple..but alot of ifs and ands and buts |
Wendo | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 01:40 pm     Bmh, I agree with your post that this is what Dani's thinking is right now. Once the PoV is out of the way, it will be easier to determine what will happen. Of course, there's still time for Dani to get found out. I do think she's playing a good game, but, like Roddy, could get outed. It's funny, with Roddy gone, Danielle's game playing is much more obvious now; in fact, all of the HG's game playing is more obvious. LOL! |
Spunky | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 01:45 pm     Okay, the only possible hg she may win with at the finals is Marcellas, but he will never make it. So, she can do all she wants to ge to the finals but she will not get the prize... |
Spunky | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 04:44 pm     Yes, yes, yes, she wants to be up next time thinking she'll survive the nominations. I want Danielle in the finals to let anyone else against her win!! She still gets the 50k, oh well...she did work hard although no one frome the jury likes her. |
Wigglepuppy | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 04:45 pm     Danielle would win against Amy, and I think that she should get close to Amy. That shouldn't be too hard because Amy is vulnerable right now. Simply find out who she wants out: Lisa or Jason, and vote with her. But D knows this. That's why she's voting to oust Marcellas this week. The Golden POV could mess all that up, though... |
Spunky | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 04:51 pm     Yes, Amy could be the only one Danielle has a chance to win since people in the jury may not like that Revolving Door business, they think Amy got an unfair advantage compared to the other players. Danielle believes she can also win with Marcellas, even with a tie, America may choose Danielle just because she's got two young kids. |
Gramma | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 07:04 am     Dani made a comment, not long ago, about how dumb it was for Colby to boot Keith and take Tina with him to the final 2. (Survivor) Then last night she was chanting 50K, 50K to M. As I 'coached' above , and others have also conjectured, the expected move at this point would be for dani to throw this next HOH and let Lisa or Mar nom. Jason, so she'd be up against someone she might be able to beat. Well, now I'm thinking she may well be thinking about taking Jason to the final 2 with her. Why? She may be thinking : 1. Since I can't win a final jury vote against anyone who is left, and therefore can't hope for more than the $50K anyway, I'd rather stay true to Jason and see him take the prize aganst me, rather than see Lisa or Mar get it at my expense. or... 2. By doing the sacrificial thing and taking Jason with her to the end, she may win some sympathy votes for having fought so hard and then stayed true to her word to Jason in the end. I think she knows she'd have no chance of winning the half mil, but must know that's true of her chances against Lisa and maybe even Mar. I think we'll know after Thursday when we see if she tries to throw the HOH or not. |
Cmore | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 08:40 am     Gramma, I simply don't understand your logic above, where you actually think Roddy will vote for Dani, even if she is up against Marc. After Dani's constant "devil" comments, I simply don't believe Roddy will vote for her no matter who she is up against. I know if I were Roddy, theres no way the "real devil" would get my vote. |
Gramma | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 11:01 am     Cmore, when you say my "logic above", I'm assuming you're referring to the post I made where I laid out my thoughts of who who the jury would vote for, if the final was between Mar & Dani..right? I actually made that post before roddys eviction. Since then, I've read the transcript of his interview with EW (in the out of the house area here in clubhouse) , and admit that one looks a lot more iffy for Dani now. I think it's a crap shoot. Marcellas is the one who put Roddy up and so why he's now gone. During his last week, Roddy said more than once that he wanted to stay so he could win HOH next week and nominate Marcellas. I'd actually like to revisit that list I made, since I'd forgotten to take into account that each finalist will get to void one vote. If up against Marcellas, my guess is that dani would void Amys vote, since she's a pretty sure bet to vote for mar. (Though once she hears and reads some of the things Mar has said about her, she could feel so betrayed.. but whatever) The big question is, whose vote would Mar void? Josh? Gerry? RODDY?? oh..never mind. He'd probably void Jason's vote. Again, as discussed above, the actions between now and vote time will be very important. People tend to recall that which is most recent in memory. It seems that dani has just very recently began thinking about how she's coming off to the jury. I also still maintain that dani might be able to change some minds with a kick-butt final speech/plea to the jury. I'm revisiting the jury vote scenerio: Votes for dani or Mar Probable vote voids - : Jason - Dani, vote voided by Mar Amy - Mar, vote voided by Dani?? None-voided votes, in order of how sure i feel about them: Lisa - Dani (as long as it's Jason or Mar who noms her) Chiara - Dani?? (Dani did give her her only vote to stay) Josh - Dani? Eric - Mar? (unless Lisa can change his opinion) Lori - Mar (cuz of the gerry hand-washing thing, though she's seen by now that Dani didn't vote to evict her and hasn't been as harsh about Gerry as mar has been. coin toss I think) Gerry - Dani? (don't think he can really abstain, and while he might not be happy with either of them, Mar was much more outspoken in his gerry-bashing and Gerry might see lean toward Dani getting the $ because of her family) Tonya - Dani? (cuz of the Tonya/Mar scream-fest- though she's been bashed heavily by both, though Mar is the one that nominated her, leading to her eviction) Roddy - Dani? (vote against mar for nominating him, and possible respect for her game focus. This one is a really tough call.) What this says to me is that of all the Dani combos, the Mar one is the least easy to predict. As such, with all those coin tosses up there, she has a chance of beating him ot tieing with him. Same chance as losing to him. Too many unknowns. From where I'm looking, the vote tally could be anywhere from a 7-1 for Dani to a 7-1 for Mar, with all other possibilities in between. Not nearly as many coin-toss guess against Lisa or jason. She'd def. lose to either of them. |
Kittykatt | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 11:15 am     IMO i believe Dani over did the " you are the devil" deal and no matter how much she tried to talk good about the jury now she cannot fix that , unless she standing with marc at the end I dont see her winning BB3 at all... |
Gramma | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 08:37 am     being so close to the end, has, I fear, effected Dani's thinking. I'm getting worried that she's talking too much. She already knows that Marcellas talks to Jason and is pretty up-front with him. She should be worried that they'll talk to each other and her conflicting stories will come out and she'll be exposed. She's obviously not listening to my coaching. LOL With all she's saying right now, I honestly don't know what she's planning. Does she still want Mar out this week? He's told her he doesn't intend to use the GPOV on himself (we'll see .. he's impulsive and may not actually make up his mind until he opens his mouth on live TV on Thurs.), but I haven't read that she's mentioned this fact to anyone else yet. She will vote for Mar to stay and has already told jason (& Lisa?) that she has to do this and at one point , when discussing this, asked Jason if he was OK with being the tie breaker, to which he replied that he was. But, since then, Jason has indicated to mar that he is safe. I didn't read where jason has told this to Dani, so I'm assuming that dani is underthe impression that, if Mar doesn't use the GPOV, that Amy will go. I'm SO confused! oops.. just realized I should be putting this in "be dani's coach", oh well. I'm too far into it now. <snicker> Does anyone have a clear idea on what Dani's strategy is at this point? As a fan of hers, I'm hoping Mar DOES use the GPOV so that Amy goes. Then in the best of all scenerios, Mar will win the next HOH, put up Lisa & jason and Lisa will go, leaving Dani, Mar & Jason. This has been Mar's plan and is the best plan for Dani as well. Dani should then throw the final HOH as well and hope Mar gets it and eliminates Jason, giving Dani a fighting shot at the half mil. . Worse case scenerio at that point would be that jason wins final HOH and eliminates Mar. At least Dani would get the $50K. Why, oh why, would Dani really want to eliminate Mar at this point? Can any of you explain what her thinking is, if that is, in fact, what she's hoping for? Finally, this is a terrible time for dani to be bashing evicted HGs. She's a clever girl. Why, oh why is she doing this?? Help me see what wheels are turning in her head at this point. Hs the pressure of being so close to the end, unraveled her focus?? help me understand her right now, please! |
Gramma | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 05:20 pm     shameful bump since this is almost at the end of the page and I don't want to lose it. Not to mention that I'd really appreciate some feedback from Dani's others coaches, since I have the gnawing feeling that I'm missing something. (referring to my above post) but even if ya all feel like blowing off said post, I don't want to lose this thread. ;) |
Alegria | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:05 pm     Don't ask me why, but Dani reminds me of Nicole at this point last year. Here are a few tips I would shoot her way: ease up on sharing your opinions with everyone and working the game so much (remember how people got fed up with Nicole's scheming & ranting?) don't be playing the game 24/7, take a break and give it a rest sometimes (remember how Nicole ended up needing meds because she took it too far?) cut out all the devil stuff & bad mouthing other players (didn't Nicole call Will the devil? it made people feel sorry for him) show some kindness toward Amy, have a nice heart-to-heart with her before Thursday's show confirm on the feeds whether or not you plan to stick to your original alliance with Jason (when Nicole ditched Monica she cost herself the game) really work everyone's funny bone from now on (don't get grim now) cut all the talk about you & the money (remember how Nicole's whining about her missed honeymoon did not work) no more sex talk, remember your girls are watching! |
Kendalia | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 10:18 am     Let me preface the following by saying that I DO NOT want Danielle to turn on Jason. I want them to be the final two. But. IF Danielle has no intention of taking Jason to the end, the smartest thing she could do right now would be to talk to Jason privately either right before the HOH competition or right before the live show Thursday night and lay everything out for him. Tell him that they made it to the final four together and she loves him, but now they have to start playing for themselves. Since he can't get HOH this week and will almost certainly be one of the nominees, thus not being able to cast a vote against her if she were up, he would have no power to retaliate against her unless he made it one more week (which he most likely wouldn't). At least then she would have warned him and it wouldn't be quite as ugly a back-stabbing. And he seems like the kind of person who might be able to forgive her for it and still give her a vote at the end--just as long as she is gentle and upfront about the dissolution of their alliance. If she's not and she does vote him out completely out of the blue, she will lose both his vote and his respect for her. Not smart. Not smart at all. BUT DON'T DO IT, DANI! KEEP JASON! I KNOW YOU CAN! I JUST KNOW IT! And if you do, I will have the utmost respect for you. |
Rabbit | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 11:02 am     Wow, you guys are really drawing your X's and O's here but there is one assumption being commonly made that may not be correct. The assumption is the voters will vote for who they like the most. While that may be true in a vehement hate situation as with Nicole last year, many players will vote for who played the best game. Remember Survivor I, or how respected Lex was in Survivor Africa? Personally, if I were a contestant, my jury vote would go to the player who took me out even if I liked the other finalist better. Many people share my sports honed attitude of honoring the player more than the person in a competitive event. (Yes, even if I disliked Dani and liked Jason I would still vote for Dani because she was the mastermind and did all the dirty work in their alliance.) |
Cousin_Jake | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 11:12 am     If Dani had played the exact same game but without the mean behind the back trash talking about other houseguests I think that she would have the respect of the defeated players including Gerry and Roddy and Amy, (when Amy reads the feeds). That is the major flaw in her game. As far as I can tell, the only way she can get rid of Jason before the final 2 is to let Lisa or Marcellus win Thursday's HOH and then ask them to put her up against Jason. Then either L or M would vote Jason out and her hands would be clean. I think that she feels she could win against Marcellus and so if M or D win final HOH, Lisa will be given the boot. As far as I can figure, Marcellus is the only one she has a chance against. |
Wrat1010 | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 11:15 am     Kendalia: Danielle's coach should not tell her to reveal that information to Jason before Thursday's live show because it could backfire big time. Remember that the Veto ceremony is part of the live show and there is a possibility that Jason will have to nominate someone else should Marcellas exercise his right to remove himself or Amy from the block with the GPOV. So it would not be smart for Danielle to essentially free Jason from the obligation of not nominating her or not voting her out. If Roddy had won HOH last week instead of Marcellas, Jason could have been put on the block if Danielle had agreed with Jason's naive plan to go to Roddy privately before the HOH competition and call off his deal with Roddy to watch each other's backs. So while Danielle would probably love to call off her alliance with Jason it would look much more honorable if the idea came from Jason, even if that idea germinated from seeds that she is planting now by her atypical behavior around Jason this week. |
Kendalia | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 11:15 am     I think the reason we tend to assume that is because this year as opposed to other years or Survivors or whatever, there has been SOOOOO much personal bashing, etc. of evicted houseguests. And knowing the nature of many of the evictees (just from what they showed us while they were in the house), and considering information gathered from chats or interviews with evictees (e.g. saying they want Jason to win rather than Danielle or Marcellas), I think it is logical to conclude that many of these people will hold the personal attacks against those still left in the house. Now, i'm sure CBS will try to coach them and push them toward voting for the best game player rather than who they like the most, but it remains to be seen whether many of them could actually bring themselves to give the money to someone they despise. I'm not so sure. You never know, though. It will be interesting to find out. |
Kendalia | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 11:34 am     Ok, Wrat, you're right that she shouldn't tell him before the live show. I forgot for a moment about all the live crap this week. But I still say that if she's going to get him out of the house, she should dissolve the alliance first. She could not count on the idea coming from him, no matter how many seeds she tried to plant. He won't turn on her unless he KNOWS she's turning on him, and then it wouldn't matter anyway because he would already know. And, I am convinced that no matter who gets HOH this week, Jason will be put up and Dani won't--since both Marcellas and Lisa have a deal with Dani (or at least feel they do) and would have a better chance against her in the end. If that's true, Dani will either be HOH (yeah right) or she will be the only vote to oust someone. Thus, she has all the power and Jason has none. She would have nothing to worry about, especially if she is the one in control of getting him out of the house. And the Roddy thing is similar, yes, but I don't think it applies in this case because there is so little time left now and so few people. And, remember, Roddy could have gotten HOH that week. Jason CAN'T get it this week. He has no power to turn on her this week. The only way he could is if Danielle is nominated and he isn't. And that ain't gonna happen. |
Ryn | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 08:39 pm     bump |
Gramma | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:13 pm     You GO GIRL!! You rock!! OK my dear. You're still on course. From the diary room chats I saw last night I firmly believe that you plan on honoring your original pact/alliance with Jason. Good for you! That will put a blush in all those dani-<dectractor's> cheeks! From where I'm sitting you're good for the 50K and who knows, with the right speech, and jury members who can overcome their frail egos and see what an honorable thing you're doing in standing by Jason all the way, who knows? They may just award you the big prize you've fought so hard for. I know you deserve it, and so does your family. OK,, down to business. Of course you'll be nominating Lisa and Amy. Talk to Jason and make sure he realizes that Lisa is the threat. She turned on you and Jason for goodness sake! She made Jason have to make that live tie-breaking vote! Don't you even think about taking her to the final 3. She's betrayed you AND Jason! What's more, even Jason would have a fight getting the majority of jury votes if he were up againt her. Once she's gone and it's down to you, Ja and Amy, you and Jason must fight like hell to get the next HOH as well,because if Amy wins, that girl is just as likely to take Jason to the final two as she is you. You know that Jason will take you, and you'll take Jason. Could you win the half mil against Amy? There's a long shot you could, but it's a very long shot. I think the jury will have more respect for you if you take Jason. Yup.. The old Colby decision. If he could do it, so can you. Now start working on that final speech dani! You can do it!! (c) |
Spunky | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:49 pm     Okay you have no choice but to nominate Amy and Lisa and Jason decides... Poor Jason, you keep putting him on the spot... |
Wendo | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:29 am     Well, Spunky, she does have to do the nominating so she's on the spot too. However, when it's down to so few people, you can't take it personally. If they do, then they shouldn't be in this game. LOL! |
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