Archive through September 20, 2002
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Archive through September 20, 2002
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:06 am     As this game comes to an interesting and strategic conclusion, I am constantly asking myself the following: 1. Why do they tell people when they throw HOH's? (Telling the Diary Room gives evicted players too much information; talking about this to players in the game proves nothing either). 2. Why would you sit around in a semi-circle and bash former players? 3. Why would you mention personal finances as a reason for being on the show and trying to win $500,000? 4. Why would you stay up all night the day before a huge competition? 5. When three people are left in the game and two of them have been aligned for almost three months, wouldn't it make sense for them to have a clearing of the air and disclose their strategy completely? It makes no sense to keep secrets at this point, and it would not change a thing about the outcome. These 5 points are only a small sampling of the things that players on this show do that I find incredibly stupid. |
Spunky | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:13 am     1. Why do they tell people when they throw HOH's? (Telling the Diary Room gives evicted players too much information; talking about this to players in the game proves nothing either). IT'S A WAY OF SAVING FACE. WE DON'T NEED THEM TO TELL, WE CAN SEE THAT FOR OURSELVES!! 2. Why would you sit around in a semi-circle and bash former players? STRESS RELIEF, BUT I AGREE, VERY DUMB !!! 3. Why would you mention personal finances as a reason for being on the show and trying to win $500,000? YOU MEAN, POOR OR RICH? IF POOR, IT MAKES SENSE. 4. Why would you stay up all night the day before a huge competition? OVERCONFIDENCE (These people have lots of that). 5. When three people are left in the game and two of them have been aligned for almost three months, wouldn't it make sense for them to have a clearing of the air and disclose their strategy completely? It makes no sense to keep secrets at this point, and it would not change a thing about the outcome. LISA KNEW IT. SHE JUST WANTED DANIELLE TO BETRAY JASON. |
Lisad | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:16 am     Part of what I feel is stupid relates to your #2. It really seems that they didn't fully realize they were being "watched" and the bashing is recorded and the evictees were able to watch. Often, I heard comments from Lisa & Dani such as "the feeds probably aren't on", etc. Not very bright and not indicating that they've got great knowledge of the show, nor did they do proper research. It does seem some were in the dark about the feeds, etc. Also the visible amazement when they got their Internet collage thingys. That's stupid! Now... Jason does! We know he's tried to tone it down saying things such as "only happy talk", or "let's not talk about that tonight". Here's what's been eating me: Has Jason flat out told Dani that the feeds are on constantly. Has he told her that everyone (perhaps evictees) are seeing her bash? Fully informing her she's cutting her own throat? I haven't seen it EVER and it bothers me if this is true because he should have. It's been bothering me. |
Spunky | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:19 am     No, Jason was convinced last night that the competition was not on the net.... he's losing it too... |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:20 am     This is the third year of BB. If ya don't know the feeds are on 24/7, you shouldn't be on the show. (By the way, Jason has spoken MANY, MANY, MANY times about what goes on in this game and how the internet works. They are too stupid to ask questions or listen to his words). |
Maris | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:31 am     The other night it dawned on Danni that she wasnt very nice to the evicted HGs and it might just bite her in the ass. She even tried to do some back pedalling and said oh I dont want to talk about people who are gone anymore. The downfall of every evicted HG except Lori in my mind was ego pure and simple, ego. Tonya, Josh, Marcellas, Roddy, Gerry. They all made the same mistake they let their egos get in the way and they lost sight of the fact that it is a game and you trust nobody. They watched Danni sucker others into believing that she was with them and they had her word but they never once thought she would screw them too. Until it was too late. Tonya thought she was in with the "cool crowd" so she could go after Amy -- wrong" She didnt learn from Lori's mistake because she thought she was special. Danni's ego got the best of her when she would go into the diary room every week and do her count down. Instead of waiting till after the jury's vote she had to make her point and let her pride get the best of her. That Jury is watched her count them off with glee one by one. Doesnt leave a good taste in their mouths to watch her every week, squint and look at the camera as if to say "GOTTCHA" |
Cablejockey | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:36 am     Also, I'm afraid, a lot of these people didnt go thru regular channels to get on the show. So they jumped in,probably for the tv exposure,not knowing what the show is actually about. So I say ha ha, you have gotten your tv exposure to the nth degree!! |
Jagger | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:37 am     The answer to almost all of those questions is ratings, CBS pushes these questions on the people in the DR and keeps pushing them until the say something they can edit to make it look good. The only thing that is not covered by this is the hg bashing, which at times is used for strategy, especially when they are still in the house, once they are gone it doesn't make much sence to do it. |
Lurkinginthedar | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:03 am     5. When three people are left in the game and two of them have been aligned for almost three months, wouldn't it make sense for them to have a clearing of the air and disclose their strategy completely? It makes no sense to keep secrets at this point, and it would not change a thing about the outcome. This is exactly what I was thinking. Dani is worried about backstabing Lisa. She should just say hey I went nuts after 4 and a half hours in the pool. I want you to know that Jason and I are going to vote to keep each other so if you want to make the final, you must win the HOH. This would be worth millions(or should I say a half a million) to the jury. |
Csnog | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:05 am     The only one of the 5 questions that is important is number 2. I am sure that the evicted HG's will be advised to vote on WHO PLAYED the BEST GAME. If they vote with their emotions then they themselves have not played the game. We are in this room voting with our own" emotions but the jury should leave their emotions at the door. This should NOT be about who they like or who they don't like and what was said. Everyone had the same chance in that house and everyone bashed other HG's. Some were worse than others. What is bashing? What is lying? Is this a game of morals? Dumb to bash? You betcha. But bottom line, should that matter when the question is who played the best game. |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:06 am     Exactly, Lurkinginthedark. I cannot understand why you wouldn't be upfront and tell. Especially now. |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:11 am     Always tell people you don't try in HOH's. Disclose all personal information and make sure to tell other players you are in need of $500,000. Say rotten and nasty things about people that aren't there. Make sure you stay up late and play games when you are not completely rested. And finally, when there are 3 people left in the game, be sure to lie to the person that helped you get to the final 3. (Heavy sarcasm here). |
Carolm | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:31 am     I Think Dani trashed HG's to justified why she voted against them or backstabbed. I know it sounds stupid but I think she thought that the remaining ones would understand why she did what she did. As for DR I don't think Dani thought that the evicted ones would see her till after the jury vote. I would hope if I was on the jury I would vote who played best game but.. If that Girl trashed me like she did Gerry I would vote for Lizards first. Also if someone backstabbed me like she did Marc I don't think I could be Nice..... |
Laffy | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:15 am     this year has been different than the past 2. somehow "giving your word" became an integral part of the game. i think roddy started that and the others have adopted it. it is not now, and has never been, a part of the game. the same thing applies for the "morality" of the game. jason brought that into play because HE chose to play that way. it is not a part of the rules but the others are now being judged by whether they played "morally" or not. last year will lied, cheated, backstabbed, and ignored both "word" and "morality" while following his strategy. he won. why are this year's HGs being held to a higher standard? |
Crazydog | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:19 am     I just have to say I love that term "diarrhea of the mouth". I'm going to make an effort to use it in everyday conversaion! |
Fruitbat | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:29 am     I have wondered the same things Woodpecker. Seems some of the same mistakes are repeated each season. |
Wendo | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:10 pm     Laffy, Yes, Roddy brought the integrity and honesty cards in the game, and the HG's foolishly bought into it. And, it's likely to be used with this years jury as well. Tell ya what, no way Will would've won with this years HG's. (I would even bet he's laughing at all of them right because of it.) Btw, anyone else having funky feeds right now? |
Off2cthwizrd | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:25 pm     Crazy - there is actually more to that phrase. The way I have always heard it is... "diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain" LOL - just in case you want to use that, too! |
Bb3junkie | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:56 pm     this year has been different than the past 2. somehow "giving your word" became an integral part of the game. i think roddy started that and the others have adopted it. it is not now, and has never been, a part of the game. I absolutely agree. This is not part of the game. If I were in there I would do whatever it would take to win. The only problem with giving your word, and not following through with it is that it makes you look bad to the other HG's. I don't think it's a refection of how good a person you are. You aren't going in there to show how moral of a person you are, you're going in there to win a half a million dollars. Anything Goes! |
Seamonkey | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:08 pm     Crazy.. my dad always used the term "oral diarrhea" so you have choices.. |
Kaili | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:15 pm     I can understand Danielle not disclosing the alliance. If Lisa knows that those two are that close, and Lisa is in the final 2 with one of them, then she would be stupid to not veto the other's vote (whichever of the two leaves next). If she doesn't know about it...say she is in the end with Jason. If she was clueless about the alliance, she may think she has Danielle's end jury vote and not eliminate Jason's vote. I don't see that happening, but it could. They should both be making Lisa think that they would vote for her if they get evicted- that way she may keep their vote active in the end and they could use eachother's vote then.yeah, it would be backstabbing but they could get around that by not coming straight out and promising her a vote...just making her get the impression that she would get it. Now would be the time for Jason and Danielle to stage a fight. Not that I want it to happen...of the three I would prefer Lisa to win, then Jason and Danielle have third. And that's my emotion vote based on personal opinion, not on game playing ability. In terms of game playing, I think Jason should win, then Danielle, then Lisa in third place. |
Queenfish | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:24 pm     I agree Kaili (except I do want Jason to win).I think it is safe to say that If Dani is in the final 2 she will take second place. |
Kaili | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:48 pm     Didn't we all say that about Will too..... |
Prisonerno6 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:53 pm     ast year will lied, cheated, backstabbed, and ignored both "word" and "morality" while following his strategy. he won. why are this year's HGs being held to a higher standard? Because Will told everyone right from the beginning that he planned on lying all the way through the game. This year's houseguests say they are being honest and loyal to a person's face and then go stab them in the back. When Will stabbed you in the back, it's your own damn fault for turning around in the first place. Besides, Will had three things these houseguests seem to lack -- personality and the two brain cells required to use it... |
Ginger1218 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:38 pm     Besides, there is not one person that was in that house this year that was honest and kept their word. They played little word games and made excuses why they did not do what they "promised" to do. They all lied. They just don't do it as elegantly and humorously as Will did. |
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