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Fruitbat

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Fabnsab.

Jan

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with everything fab & Texas have said.

But I do think that Dani is now fully aware of the Dani/Jason alliance (thanks to Marc). I think she is now highly suspicious of Dani..and I am very afraid that she will take JAson with her when she wins HOH.(based on her last conversation with Marc when he wanted to oust Jason..she thought Dani was the better target)

And yes, I said when she wins HOH because I really think that Lisa has been throwing the HOH's knowing she was safe on Dani's coattails.

Lisa won one of the very first memory competitions (the one about sequencing events..was it a Veto Comp?? not sure). Anyway, at that time she said that, as soon as she saw it was a memory event, she figured she would win it as SHE IS VERY GOOD AT MEMORY GAMES! Well, all of the HOH games have been memory ones and she hasn't even been close..ergo I think she hasn't been trying.

Both Dani and Jason have said that they are NOT good at memory games as they haven't really paid attention to everything.

As a Dani fan, I am afraid that Lisa will win the HOH and take Jason with her.

Adrian

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great post Fabnsab.

Lurknomore

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh but Fabnsab, think of all the typing you save me :) It's much appreciated!

Betty

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani should dump Jason. I agree with those who feel Dani will not win against Jason or Lisa but for somewhat different reasons. Lisa will have at least the 5 six pack and Marc's votes. Jason will have the good guy vote. I feel Dani's only chance of winning is to be against Amy in the end, though even then it's not a given. Amy has had to play this game single handedly. Amy's been evicted, survived ORD, and been on the chopping block six times with NO ONE to lend a helping hand, and she was smart enough to win so many lux comps. Dani has made a fatal error in not playing the jury and they will (should) remember. Instead of honoring Marc's alliance, she handed his vote to Lisa and Amy on a silver platter.

Loyalty and honor rarely win at this point of the game. Survivor I's final 4 (Richard, Kelly, Rudy, and Susan) knew how this game should be played. They knew they would have to turn on each other in the end. Colby didn't understand this aspect of the game so deserved to lose. Lisa understands and told Dani that at one point they will have to end the alliance to which Dani agreed only because she knew her stonger alliance is to Jason and Lisa had just given her permission to dump her at the final 3. Dani's skill at getting this far will be over shadowed by her bad mouthing the jury and taking Good Guy Jason or 6 Pack Lisa with her.

Romans8_1

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Dani can win. But I do think her best chance is against Jason. Like others stated before, she will get more respect if she stays true to her original alliance. Look at Marcellas, he turned on Amy and bam!, what little respect people had was gone. I think Dani also knows she is going to have a hard time beating either Lisa or Jason (face if folks, Amy is gone this time) and she would rather Jason win than Lisa (since Jason has been her loyal ally)

Side note - why is Amy gone? Jason sees Amy as lucky and is scared of that. Nuff Said.

Guiltyviewer

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What Fab said.

Kellirippa

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When Marcellas declined to save himself with the GPOV, my reaction, "what a bonehead". If you're going to play this game, play hard and play to win. If Danielle doesn't find someway to dump Jason before final 2......"what a bonehead".

Fabnsab

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kelli, I think the bonehead thing would be TO dump him. The evicted houseguests all left believing Jason had absolutely no strategy. When they find out how he and Dani played this game and how she stuck by him and saved him a few times, I truly think they will look positively on that. No matter, they all love Jason. I think she redeems herself to them because of her loyalty to the one person everyone loves. She looks like his protector which shines a better light on her. If she screwed him over now, look out. I do not think she would get one vote. They would stone her. She will never dump him. It's not in her heart and its not in her strategy.

btw, Lurk, Adrian, fruitbat, and Jan. I am glad I could help your typing hands get some needed rest:) I think in my 3 years at this board my longest posts have been on this subject. We will all be the ones laughing at the end when our girl stays true to herself.

A woman who has been with the same man for over 10 years since she was a teen, gone through bad times in the marriage and can still come out and say how much she loves him is a loyal person in my book. She knows how to stand by her man and Jason is lucky enough to be her BB man.JMO
OK, let me go ice my hands. I am the Michael Flatley of typing today :)

Jan

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
fab you go girl! :):)

Crossfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Saved him? I don't think so. Seems everyone wants to claim the title of Jason saviour, Roddy, Marcellas, and now Dani?

About the only saving he has needed since the day he stepped foot in the house, was from an evil PB&J sando, and they all failed him on the one small challenge.

Hawaiiandew

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think this is even a debate in Dani's mind. She will definately keep Jason to the end!
I think she would do the best with him anyway.

Kellirippa

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 02:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle could win going up against Jason in the end, but I think going up against Amy is a better strategy. I think less jury members would want to see someone that they had already kicked out beat them for the money. Danielle has played a good game to this point, I would just like to see her stick to "nothing personal, just business" right to the bitter end.

Bmh

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is what I respect the most about Dani..she is going to stay loyal and true to Jason..no matter what the cost..and I think she knows she screwed up..but even though she has a better shot up against Amy..she will do the honorable thing..and just maybe we will all go into a state of shock as Julie announces Danielle the winner of BB3 (hey I can dream can't I?)

Crossfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 02:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What? Where did Dani screw up?

Secretsmile

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do think Dani will stick with Jason as her final 2.

I am not sure it's her best chance for the 1/2 million, but she stated that Jason is the only person she could stand losing to, and that $50,000 was enough for a downpayment on a house.

That being said, Dani's first and most important alliance is to her family. She sees her being away for the summer and not coming home with the money as letting them down. She has told Jason this, many times. I think her accepting the $5,000 for the phone call shows exactly where her heart is, her family.

As always, this is JMO!

Ptomaine

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Today's conversation with Lisa indicates that Dani does intend to bring Jason with her to the F2.

Dani stated that she knows that she stands the best chance with Amy. But that Amy will not be part of F3 because Amy does not deserve it.

Dani also said that no one can win against Jason.

Dani pointed out that her mom didn't raise no fool, and that $50K for a summer of hard work isn't bad.

She is lying to Lisa about her alliance with Jason, which means that she is still protecting their alliance. Jason does the same. This AM Dani-Jason game chat shifted focus when Lisa was present, which means they are still trying to mislead Lisa and Amy. Additionally, from Saturday night episode we see that they are still keeping the alliance a secret.

The question is why at this point do they feel that their alliance must still remain a secret, since at F3, Lisa won't be able to put both of them up. The only possibility that I can come up is the lull Lisa into the sense of security. Lisa would compete with more determination if she knew that Dani and Jason have an alliance.

At this point, Lisa may thinks by what Dani is telling her that she (Lisa) only has to worry about Jason getting HOH at F3. Ofcourse, by telling Lisa that Jason will likely win against anyone, Dani is also securing her place in F2.

Finally, it's a partnership. Dani may not have made it this far without Jason. She might not have even gotten $50K. It was Jason who informed Dani that people are forming an alliance and she maybe out of the loop. It was Jason who clued Dani via Marc that Chiara will vote out Lisa. It was Jason who voted out Eric, threw HOH to Amy to get Chiara evicted etc...

Without Jason, Dani may not made it as far. Greed is tempting. But at this point, I think that Dani will try for HOH, and if she does win it, be true to what she has repeatedly stated in her DR... and take Jason with her to the F2.

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe she will, although have nothing to prove it (as so many folks talk about solid proof for what's said).

Should she honor it?? That is a question only Dani has a right to answer.

She has already said in alst week's show "I lied--so be it."

She can do it again or not. If jason does the same thing, Dani has NO room to complain, as she dd the same exact thing.

I have no idea if he would though, given the chance. That is what makes the end game so good this year--it seems things should progress a certain way, yet it's not set in stone yet.

Bohawkins

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Since Danielle has no honor whatsoever, she should follow the directions of her own corrupt moral code. She has played the game by lying and breaking her word. If she does not break her word to Jason, then her entire method of game playing will have been in vain. I think she is both evil and smart. She will dump Jason, believing that she would win with either Amy or Lisa.

She might be surprised, because Jason is just as much of a child of the devil as she is. He is a master liar and deceiver too. She may have met her match.

Whit4you

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Depends on which comes first to Dani - her family and friends or being loyal to someone she met on a tv game show. All depends on her own personal ethics and morals and so on. What some people don't think about is Jason is not forced with that same decision - ie he isn't faced with losing 450,000 by staying loyal to Dani... if he would be then it's a different game all together. Jason wouldn't be making a huge sacrifice to stay loyal to her - she on the other hand would.

There is one possible strategy she MAY be using here - and that is the way she keeps talking over and over about hwo she'd lose by taking Jason to the finals. She might be doing this to get her some votes IN the finals. In other words - if they KNOW that I knew I'd lose by taking Jason they mnay give me votes because after all was said and done - I remained loyal to him. And that if it is what she's doing is a pretty effective strategy. If she didn't make it so clear that she's making the ultimate sacrifice for him then THEY - the hg's may not have thought of it...

I personally don't think she's obligated to give up 450,000 for someone she met on a game show..especially someone young with no family and tons of potential. Jason has made it clear that god and religion is the most important thing not $$$. So it's not - at least to me the same thing as if he were married with 4 kids and really needed the money for happiness and such.

I personally won't look down on her if she does pull a Richard Hatch and hands Lisa the HOH so Lisa can dump Jason for her. I would not like to hear her imply she kept her loyalty to the end though - because having someone ELSE get rid of Jason for you - is no different then doing it yourself. So call a spade a spade and it's all good - you came in this game to win and if you do you should take pride in that and not pretend you didn't have to do whatever it took to win and that includes playing the game smart and getting rid of the one person gauranteed to beat you.

The more I think about it though - the more I think part of her strategy IS to look like she's pulling a Colby... making the ultimate sacrifice so that people give her a vote for doing so.

Gina8642

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 04:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
IMO Dani doesn't have a very good chance of winning against any of the remaining HGs. Why on earth should she change her alliance? If she turns against her alliance to Jason, that would give jury something else to dislike about her.

Dani, IMO, has been a very consistent player. She's had certain goals and strategies and she has stuck to them very closely. One of those was bringing Jason with her to the end. I don't see her possibly changing that. She knows she will have a tough time beating Lisa or Jason, but if she can't win, she has stated she wants them to win. I haven't seen any reason to doubt her.

Personally the only thing I don't like about Dani is her cruel mean spirited bashing; I don't see much else wrong with her. (Of course, IMO it is a VERY BIG THING wrong with her and the reason I turned against her weeks ago).

Jagger

Monday, September 16, 2002 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Danni has a chance against Jason in the end, if the hgs leave their personal feelings aside and vote for who they think played the best game she has a chance of winning it all. I am hoping Jason wins, if he makes it to the final 2, but I'm not sure the votes will be there for him.

I think Danni also thinks she has a very good chance of winning against Lisa, although I don't see any chance of that, Lisa really never played the game in the aspect of playing, she just sat back and agreed to do what others asked ( which was her own way of playing the game), she really never upset anyone, except Gerry and maybe Chiera. She would have a real good chance of winning it if she makes it to the final 2.

Amac

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
bumpity bump

Kendalia

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 12:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani will absolutely try for HOH this week. She's not going to take ANY chance of not making it to the final two, and while letting Jason win wouldn't be a risk for her, letting Lisa win would. After all, Dani nominated LISA, not Jason. That shows Lisa where Danielle's true loyalty lies, and as a result she could choose Jason to take to the end instead of Danielle.

Dani knows it's a sure thing that Jason will take her to the end; she only THINKS Lisa would. She won't take a chance like that now. She will not settle for even the TINIEST possibility of third place and no money. She will go for HOH and assure herself the $50K. And if she gets it she will take Jason with her, and I think she will get more votes at the end for staying loyal to him than she would against Lisa.

She ain't stupid.

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bohawkins
Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:29 pm
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Since Danielle has no honor whatsoever, she should follow the directions of her own corrupt moral code.


This is very harsh, Bohawkins.

Wcv63

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bohawkins...neither Dani nor Jason are "children of the devil" as you have proclaimed. Remember, we can't judge them from a place of total understanding because of our very limited viewpoint.

Don't you just hate it when somebody uses one of your philosphies from another thread to make a point? :O

Eliz87

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't understand how anyone could think that Danielle has been a true friend to Jason. She has gotten him to do her dirty work several times, even to the bitter end!!!

She wants him in the final two with her because she thinks that she will have the votes from people (i.e. Marcellus) who Jason has ousted (at her urging!). UGH. She FORGETS that the evicted HG's can look at the feeds and taped t.v. shows and expects them to begrudge Jason of their own losses.

Spunky

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She would lose to Lisa as well (she'got the 6 pack).

However, in a dream I had (can you believe it) Danielle was a big winner...hope it was just a silly dream and won't come true.

Beingblonde

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani has played the "family" card for the win, ad nauseum...why does this make her more deserving to win than one who does not have children?? IMO this is unfair. Look at it this way...Dani, as a mother, chose to be away from her "family" for almost 3 months, and we almost never hear her talk about her children or family, except to blurt out to Julie that she misses s*x,...not her kids... rather telling wouldn't you say?

Wendo

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eliz87, have you watched tonight's show yet? If anything, the show proved tonight that for all intense and purposes, the decisions made through out this game were made by the BOTH of them. Jason AND Dani. Gotten Jason to do her dirty work? Hardly. It's been discussed before, no point in going over it again. They both made moves to protect themselves, and the both made moves to protect the other.

It's been a joint operation from the beginning.

Beingblonde, she has hardly talked about her family these past few weeks. In addition, it's why she's there...BIG DEAL.

Lisad

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amazing how film can get twisted. Jason said himself Marcellus will come after him and he's got to go.

Lisad

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 10:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK - Now Dani and Jason are "children of the devil?"

Are you kidding me? How bizarre and hateful. Glass houses. There's really some nasty people hanging out on these boards.

And now Dani is also a bad mother for leaving her family for a couple of months?

No wonder the world is so screwed up. Does it ever occur to any of you judgementals that you are doing the same thing and being the same was as you accuse others of? Evil.

Jag2000

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I feel that Danny has played the pity me game
just as Eddie did in BB1. He wanted the money to
move his parents out of the toxic neighborhood
and it worked. Don't everyone jump on me, but I
did not feel her deserved the money. I really
think that Danny has been her own worse enemy on
the show. If she would have just kept her mouth
shut in the DR she would have had a much better
chance at the big bucks but she has had soo many
deals. Marcy was first, then it was the girl
thing, and now Jason. She has not kept her promise
to the first two so I do not think she will keep
her promise to Jason, but it all depends on who
goes tonight. Lisa is on to her and I can only
hope and pray that Amy goes and Lisa wins HOH.
Danny can not win against either Lisa or Jason. I
don't have any qualms about Danny leaving her
family for 3 months, but to have to borrow money
to go on the show and possibly not have a job when
she goes home does create a major problem if she
does not win at least 2nd. By the time she repays
her loan and pays taxes, she would have better off
staying at home.

Wendo

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 11:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jag2000, her alliance with Jason was the FIRST, and only alliance she's been concerned with. That's been established by the tv show even.

As far as Mar, Dani and Ja had every intention of going to the three with him, had he not turned on them. He discussed Dani's strategy with others, he made a deal with Roddy (hot tub), and turned on her with Amy when Amy came back in the house. When Mar broke her confidence and trust, she no longer owed him a thing, imo.

As to the "girl thing", she was NEVER on board with that, nor did she say she was. If Chi and the other women felt that way, then they perceived errantly. That's not Dani's fault.

As to her job and family, big deal. They all left jobs, families, and the like. Why should we care? It doesn't affect who they are as game players or their game playing.