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Redgirl30

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ark...I don't think anyone is condoning the trashtalking behavior of ANY of the HGs, we just find it particuliarly offensive from Dani for the reasons that many of us have already posted.

Wendo

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecke® said, "Nope. Not excusing it at all. But Danielle and Marcellas live and die by the bash. Sweet in person and all flowery and complimentary in good-bye messages. Lisa saying that to Gerry was horrible, but not a fatal statement. We do not agree here."

Ok, you're not excusing it. Just as many have stated they're not excusing Dani's gossiping. As to the bashing, yep, they did it. A lot of them did. Some, over and over and over. It was the theme this year. (Last year, it was hate your fellow HG's.) Had Tonya or Josh remained in the house, I'm sure we'd be condemning them as well. They were just as bad, we just didn't see it go on longer since they were evicted.

As to their goodbye messages, I found them sincere. Just because one is a gossip, it doesn't mean they don't care about people.

Regarding Lisa's comment about Gerry, I call that a fatal statement. And, as you say, we disagree. But in my mind, to call someone that with no basis whatsoever is egregious.

Cindyluvsroddy said, "so wendo, if dani made remarks about u behind your back, would u still supprt her? lol"

Cindy, this is a hypothetical. However, to answer you honestly, if I were in that house playing the game with Danielle and she was trash talking me, then yes, I might be upset. Unless, of course, I trash talked too. Then who am I to point a finger? But, would I give her my vote? You betcha. IMO, she's played this game the best. And, I wouldn't use emotion to vote, I would vote on who I felt played this game the best from start to finish. IMO, that's Danielle.

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know if I have this correct....(I never saw the "pedophile" remark being made by Lisa)...but from what I've read here (in various threads on the board, not just this one), it sounds like she apologized to Gerry for it (did she?)...and that possibly she had not understood the actual meaning of the word "pedophile", having possibly mixed it up with the word "pervert" in her mind...a word that a lot of people use without the seriousness that is usually attached to "pedohhile". (Is that true also? Did she really not know what it meant?)

I know that I have also read that Lisa didn't know what a plum was, she had never heard the word "crass" before, and she had never seen people eat spare ribs. It seems likely (or at least very possible) to me that a person that had somehow never run across plums or spare ribs and had never heard the word "crass" before...could very well have made such a mistake on the definition of "pedophile".

If that is indeed the case, comparing Lisa's pedophile remark to Dani calling Roddy "the devil", "Satan", and "Lucifer" over and over and over.....well, it seems to me that Dani knew EXACTLY what her words meant, so the comparison is sort of an apple vs oranges thing.

Just wonderin'...since I never learned for sure what the actual intent and result of Lisa's "pedophile" remark was.

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She was gossiping in a group and called him a pedophile and quickly retracted it. I was and still am a leading critic of a false comment like that. I posted about it at the time. She still has a huge black mark from me and many others because she said it, even though she took it back. I will be anxious to see her reasons after the show.

Monalisa

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To me, if you participate, it's all the same. The other hg's were always laughing it up and egging Danielle on. They are just as guilty. And yes, even Lori did this in her short stay (with Marc). Jason was the only person who let any of them know that he was uncomfortable about the conversations.

Pedophile vs. devil. I think pedophile is much worse, and it's a label that sticks regardless of whether it is taken back or not. Just think if the parents of any of his students seen this. They have never spent as much time with Gerry as Lisa has. I think Lisa should personally go to his school and make a public apology when this is over. That is a remark which could affect his career. I don't think ANYBODY thinks that Dani thinks that Roddy is LITERALLY the devil.

Cindyluvsroddy

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
part being in the realm of playing the "BEST" game as people of stated goes further than just lying to people, making alliances, and voting off people one by one ...

those r needed qualities, i agree ...

but to be a "Great" player u have to PLAY the game to the evicted HG's as well ...

the reason? simple: you need their votes.

part of the game is that as u r picking off people and voting them out each week u must balance a fine line at not losing thier vote in the end ...

that means beat them at the game .. not degrade them on national tv.

people keep saying how great of a game dani has played .. i say she played good .. not great

i really feel she missed the boat on the jury voting....

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know of no one that thinks Gerry is a pedophile. Not one person.

Jaysgal

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Pedophile vs. devil. I think pedophile is much worse, and it's a label that sticks regardless of whether it is taken back or not."

Good talk. In Gerry's kind of setting, pedophile is a dangerous word to use than devil is. However, there are several factors playing here: CBS did not play it on TV, so we would have to assume that Gerry's entire city/town is watching live feed or reading the posts in order for his work to be in jeorpardy. Secondly, Lisa retracted her statement. Thirdly, from Lisa's other statements, she clearly has limited vocabularies. From all evidences, she did not clearly know the meaning of the word she used. I remember an occasion where I used a word I had heard for the first time and I used it wrongly. It could have been damaging to the party involved, but they understood that I was just learning a word. Instead I was teased about it. Lastly, Lisa is a very willing person to sincerely apologise to Gerry and in front of others so no one would take her statement seriously.

Contrast that with Danielle's many actions.

I know I shouldn't be responding to this because it's like giving in to red herring, but say we accepted it, there is a case for it. If anyone questions Lisa's limited knowledge, play back all of the tapes and listen to her every conversation.

Gina8642

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The whole Gerry thing is just something for people to hang on to. No one believes it, not Lisa and not Gerry's school system, not anybody.

I tend to agree with those who said Lisa came up with the wrong word when speaking. She does this frequently. It is just rediculous to hold something like this against her, like she is the most evil person ever. To each their own I suppose.

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"I don't think ANYBODY thinks that Dani thinks that Roddy is LITERALLY the devil."

But on the same hand....I have not seen ANYBODY that thinks that Gerry is LITERALLY a pedophile. Some people are saying that although Roddy is not literally "the devil" that they still agree with Dani's characterization of Roddy as evil in the same way that the devil or Satan is evil....but no one has ever taken Lisa's pedophile remark as having any kind of basis "in fact" in any way, shape, or form ...as far as I have seen.

Is Gerry still being referred to as a pedophile both outside and inside the house like Roddy is still being referred to as the devil? (Or has Gerry, in fact, EVER been referred to as a pedophile outside of that one time Lisa said it and then immediately retracted it?)

It looks to me like Lisa's offhand "pedophile" remark carried absolutely NO weight whatsoever....but Dani's repeated "devil" references are STILL following Roddy around. I see that as a big difference.

Btw, I am not excusing Lisa for being intentionally cruel and slanderous, IF that was actually her intent....but if she really just had truly simply "misspoken" and chosen a wrong word because of a brainfart or something, then I wouldn't hold it against her.

JMO

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
San Fran said it right.

Gina8642

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't really even know why I'm bothering. People will say what they will say. I just think it is sooo sad.

Bernie

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Useful addition to my lexicon - brainfart - thanks Sanfran!

Abby

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My Problem is with Big Brother on most of this damaging Bashing. Like last Year they made Shannon admit to the Washing the toilet with the toothbrush, because that could have harmed that person. Though this is physical...Still the basis is the same. Some of the remarks that the houseguests had said could harm the person's reputation. Big Brother Should have stepped in, But they added to it by covering some of it on the show. Adding to the injury.

Gina8642

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just don't remember bashing like this last year. Does any remember?

Maris

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The other difference in the pedophile comment is that Lisa said it in the wrong context. She called Gerry a pedophile for leering at her which of course nobody would take seriously. Lisa is over 21 and ran around in a peanut butter bikini. Lisa herself didnt mean it literally. Danni means it very literally that Roddy is the devil, she still talks about him as evil.

Jag2000

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 03:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember when Gerry was still in the house and
Lisa was afraid to go to sleep at night because
of him...I think she made that comment a night or
two before he was evicted. I never really under-
stood why she was carrying on like that. She
walked around butt naked a few times and he is not
supposed to look. I really, really, really wish
that I had someone to root for.

Wendo

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Monalisa said, "And yes, even Lori did this (trash talking) in her short stay (with Marc)."

Actually, we saw it on last nights show when Mar made the stripper comments. Lori was in the next bed laughing her a$$ off.

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I'm reading a lot of "excuses" for Lisa's comment (pedophile), and continued comments (he stared at her, he's icky), about Gerry. Generally, I see a willingness on this board to give certain HG's a pass on bad behavior, while other HG's are held to the mat. It's an obvious double standard.

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I see no evidence of Lisa getting a free pass on her comment about Gerry.

Bettyrubble

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I did not have the live feeds for BB2 but I read somewhere that even Will was infamous for trash talking evicted and current HGs. For those of you that watched -- was he as bad as these HGs?

I can't see where any one of them is clean in the area of trash talking. Jason has been the only one that has avoided it to the best of his ability. Within the last couple of weeks I've even seen him participate. I'm not excusing them but really, what else is there to do but talk -- and the 1 thing they all have in common is the other HGs.

Onlyhuman

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, I think that there is not a double standard, just that some people's standards are different than others.

For instance, some people base their standards solely on the the harshness of the statements.

Others base theirs on the frequency and repetitiveness of the statements.

Others may base theirs on the intended target and the validity...i.e., they may feel that Danielle's comments about Amy were acceptable because Amy is spoiled and selfish and Danielle was "just telling the truth".

Others may find the two-faced nature of some of the statements offensive, i.e., talking behind Amy's back about Amy having a problem with alcohol but then encouraging Amy to drink when Amy has chosen not to.

Given all these different parameters, it is only natural that there will be differing viewpoints. It's not a double standard, it's multiple standards.

Monalisa

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 05:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pedophile vs Devil

Since one was not meant (intended to say pervert instead) and the other was not literal....don't they cancel each other out.

Let's take it in context then. Lisa meant pervert (although a common word, as is evil, devil, etc,), her actions added validity to the word. Danielle meant it in the sense of the game. On many occassions Dani has said she liked Roddy, he is "marriage material," etc.

Do I think Lisa should lose over this...absolutely not. It's not a factor for me. But, if I said that is the reason Lisa should lose, then I must also be fair and not support any player who participated in this behavior....which would pretty much rule them all out.

That is what bothers me, if you are SO offended by her behavior, then why do you support somebody who did the exact thing, or found that behavior so entertaining?

An added note: Lisa has also referred to Roddy as the devil. She even saw those horns growing.

Phillymom

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 05:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, thanks for your post. I was trying to remember the circumstances when Lisa called Gerry a pedophile ... and you're right, it was when she thought he was ogling her. Although I like Lisa, I don't think she's the brightest crayon in the box (there's another thread concerning this, so I won't give examples). I think she meant "pervert" rather than "pedophile" -- maybe in her mind, it's perverted for a 50-something man to be ogling a 20-something woman, but I don't think it's that unusual. In fact, I think it's probably par for the course.

Phillymom

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 05:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I forgot to put this in my last post -- Will did talk some trash last year, too. I wish my memory was better and I could remember some examples, but the only one that springs to mind was that Will called Monica "stupid" in his DR entries.

Mrs_Taz

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All of the HGs have trash talked to different extents. The biggest problem I have with the trash talking and bashing Dani has done is because she is a mother. What is she showing and teaching her children by the way she is talking and acting about the other HGs? That it is OK to treat people this way and make fun of them. Maybe because she is a mother we have different standards for her than the others. Other HGs are up there too with their bashing. I agree with what others have said before, it is the extent things are taken outside of the context of the game where the problem lies.

Ark

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe that Shannon & Boogie did quite a bit of trash talking last year. If memory serves me correctly Shannon probably would win the award for biggest trash talker. I don't think she ever said anything nice about Hardy or Autumn.