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Archive through September 14, 2002
C1mag | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 02:38 pm     I'd have no problem with voting for the person with the most Integrity but then who is that? Jason? This would be the whimp that boldy lied to Dani when he promise her on the eve of his first hoh that he would nominate Roddy after telling her over and over that he should go and then he didn't step up! Well I guess his integrity is shot to hell. We won't mention how many rude things he said about Gerry like, " Wouldn't it be gross if Gerry took that nasty green toe of his and started rubbing your back?" What about the times he allowed the others to put down christianity with no defense on his part just for some money in a game? Gee I guess the kid wasn't so golden all the time. Let see what about Lisa? Lisa has probably lied more in this game than the remaining contestants. As first hoh she knew Marc was the one going no matter what. Even after Lori's melt down. Yet she still lies to Marc and says he could have beat her. Roddy has been the only honest person about that crap. Josh asked Roddy to tell Marc the truth and he let Marc know he still would have went. Uh oh Lisa's integrity is slipping... What about that crap about calling Gerry a pedifile? That statement alone can cost a person their job! Oh my God Lisa isn't golden either.. Maybe Amy is the angel of this game? Amy being an angel? Lets not even go there! How about Marcellus for the integrity vote? Oh man we can't do that either. Of coarse there is no way in hell that the evil wicked Dani who gave many a shoulder to cry on. Brought some sanity at times durring tense situations, and who has literally looked out after Jason would get that integrity vote cause she called Roddy the Devil, laughed at some of Marcellus' comments about Tonya and Gerry and God forbid she actually played the game and controled her destiny by whatever means it took. I think it's best in this game to not vote based on the integrity of others in the game. The game itself takes that from you in the end. The challenge still remains to vote with your own integrity based on who played the best to get to the end and not point fingers for some trash talking. That won't happen though! |
Gouraphik | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 02:57 pm     C1mag said: "The challenge still remains to vote with your own integrity based on who played the best to get to the end and not point fingers for some trash talking." I'm sorry, but there is no written or unwritten rule in BB (or any other reality game show) that the jury needs to "challenge" themselves to vote based on who played the best. This is not a chess game, and voting for "petty reasons", like revenge, is not equivalent to turning over a chessboard when you get put in check. It may be a case of "sour grapes" if they use spite as a reason, but it's not forbidden. I'm afraid that the criteria that you (and many others) have cited is an oddly idealistic wish, given the nature of this game, and nothing more. Certainly, it would be nice if the jury evaluated the finalists based on rational reasons, and allowed the brilliance of the "best" player to shine through in this regard. But it is nothing more than a dream. The jury can vote anyway they wish, just like the HG's can play the game any way they wish. They can be assertive, passive, nice, nasty, honorable, or diabolical. Anything that's not illegal (and even some "illegal" moves, given that BB doesn't seem to punish offenders that often) is A-OK. The game, and its rules, end only when the show ends...not once the finalists are securely in the top spot. So if the "best" player gets kicked down to the $50K level due to the vindictiveness of the others, tough. Take your money, pay your taxes, and grumble about their petty jealousy if you must. But don't delude yourself into thinking that they were required to vote for the "best" player...because they weren't, and that's that. |
Wendo | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 03:04 pm     C1mag, on board with everything you're saying. The evicted HG's, such as Chi, Roddy, Eric, and Tonya, had no problem with Josh's Nazi comments and insults of Gerry's family. Heck, I saw many occassions where they laughed right along with Josh. That they are now hearing things about themselves and are "appalled, hurt, etc."...whatever. They didn't seem to have a problem with it before when it wasn't directed at them. Frankly, they're pissed that Dani was playing this whole time and "wasn't their friend" like they thought. Well, I say, TOO FRIGGIN' BAD. You should've been playing the game better. Dani said from the beginning, she wasn't there to make friends, she was there for her family. Even her bio says she was going to be phoney. Hello!? That they gave her their so called "trust and friendship" is their fault, not hers. But, as you said, they'll penalize her for it, and she won't win. But if she does make it to the final two, that's something she did that the other evicted HG's didn't accomplish. |
Wendo | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 03:08 pm     Gouraphik, actually, if you think about it, the challenge lies with Danielle (should she make the final two). She needs to lay her case out there and make the strong argument. It's then up to jury. So, yes, I agree the challenge lies with the jury to make a reasonable "verdict", but, Danielle has just as much a challenge too. She will have to earn her win from them. Plain and simple. (Honestly, it's an arugument I would love to hear.) |
Gouraphik | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 03:13 pm     All the hardhearted epithets that have been used here to discredit the concerns of the HG's, such as "too bad", "tough", etc. apply to each and every HG...whether they're in or out of the house, until the game has ended. The only difference is that people don't want that harsh reality to apply to them when they're vulnerable. Unfortunately, there are no exceptions to this brutal fact, and being in the top 2 does not shield you from this. In the end, there is no immunity for the finalists...both will be judged, and one will end up with the lesser sum. Don't hate the players on the jury, hate the game. |
Yuhuru | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 03:24 pm     This whole group has been pretty bad about trashing. Most have already mentioned losh & ger. amy and kiki were pretty bad regarding each other also. I'm not surprised that a group like this shows bad behavior. I think that's how they're supposed to behave (or i think that's what the producers go for) |
C1mag | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 03:26 pm     Gour no one is saying DON'T vote based on hurt feelings or jealousy but there is the challenge to vote simply on who played the game the best. The hope would be that they would challenge themselves to admit that although they didn't like the things said by someone like Dani they would have to admit she controled the game and structured the departure of many of the evicted. Thats the moves of the best player to get to the end. Thats the challenge but it's not demanded. However, it will be based on emotion and hurt feelings and in basic terms..."Being a sore loser" I have no doubt that she will not win but if she does then I applaud them all for being good sports about the game. It wasn't life. |
Gouraphik | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 03:46 pm     What I'm saying is that there is no "challenge" to begin with. The "challenge" is not a rule. It is a personal desire of some people, and nothing more. All of the HG's, in and out of the house, are still playing the game, and can use whatever tactic they wish to get the outcome they desire. Again, the game ain't over until it's over, and in the end, the jury has the power. They can do whatever they wish with this power, and the person who gets the consolation prize needs to understand this. They can attempt to influence the jury if they want, but the jury owes them nothing. That's the way the game is set up. Now, if you want to talk about "good sportsmanship", realize that the while it would be nice if the jury & the finalists could be good sports, it isn't a one-way street, and neither group is duty-bound to be a good sport. The finalists owe the jury nothing, and vice versa. |
Crossfire | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 03:53 pm     C1, I tend to agree with you...but: If we are not going to permit emotion, or heavily diminish it, why bother bringing it down to two for a cast vote. Just have one final competition between the last two, and be done with it. I think being a good sport goes two ways. Instead of trying to get your jury to ignore a bunch of crummy stuff you did, she should have made a larger effort to be consistent. Lets say the game is 50% strategy, and 50% social. If you blow half your score, and people notice, then that's just too bad. This also applies to Jason, I think he is at serious risk of playing it too nice, and that may be held against him. I have no idea how I personally would vote, I'd have to try the game to see how it would affect me. It probably looks easier from the viewer side than it really is, which is a consistent theme I hear from past HGs. |
Trulyscrumtious | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:27 am     Okay, new threads have been disabled (wouldn't ya know it? I've never created one and the one day I actually WANT to, I can't, lol) and this thread deals with what this parody is about, so I'm posting it here. I don't know about anyone else, but I laughed 'til I cried and then laughed some more while reading this, hope you all enjoy it as well. "A typical conversation between Marcellas and Danielle: D: Roddy is the Devil. M: Gerry is so gross. D: I have to protect Jason. M: Gerry is a fat pig. D: Chiara has to go. M: Gerry has huge knockers. D: I pray every morning and every night that God gives me the wisdom, strength, and discernment to compete in this game. M: I hate Josh. D: Roddy is the f****n Devil. M: If Gerry comes in here I'm going to kick his a**. D: I was reading the bible and praying this morning.... M: If Josh comes in here I'm going to kick his a**. D: If they put me on the f*****n block, they better hope I go thru that f*****n door. Or I'll f****n get them next week. M: I'm going to tell Gerry he is gross. D: If I get put up on the block, I'm just going to enjoy the week, and if I go so be it. M: Josh made me cry. D: Tonya is such a bad parent for leaving her kids and coming to play this game. M: I want to <> Roddy. D: Chiara is the devil. M: I want to <> Jason. D: Roddy has to go. M: I hate Gerry and his feet. D: I have to protect Jason. I prayed this morning that God gives me the wisdom, strength, and discernment to compete in this game. M: Oh no that troll Gerry is coming in here, I'm going to kick his a**. D: Lisa this is what you think. L: OK M: Josh is vile. D: Now you remember what I told you what you think, right Lisa? L: No what? I'm the princess of darkness you know. M: Roddy is so fine. I'm going to kick gerry's a**. L: So this is what i think... D: No Lisa this is what you think.... L: Oh yeah I forgot, I'm the princess of darkness you know. D: Whats worse a wolf or a wolf in sheeps clothing. L: A cow. Hey Dani, when i talk tomorrow what should I say? M: Man I am sick of Gerry and his big club feet. D: I have to protect Jason. We are going to evict Josh, no Roddy, no Josh, no Roddy. Yes we are going to evict Roddy. M: Josh made me cry. D: OK we are going to vote to evict Josh. They all better watch out for me, cause I'm going to win this f****n game. L: OK so we are voting to evict Eric? M: No Lisa, Josh. Eric isn't in the house right now. L: Oh yeah. Want me to show you how to give BJ's? M: Gerry is so gross. D: So I was praying and reading the bible this morning. I have to protect Jason. F*** roddy, F*** Chiara, F*** Gerry. Roddy can't win because he doesn't have God, like I do. L: I'm the princess of darkness you know. M: OK lets go to bed. 5 minutes pass and then the same exact conversation starts over again." 007 |
Bernie | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:44 am     Trulyscrumptious, you the devil, LOL! That's hilarious!  |
Letmeinthere | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 05:00 am     OMG, hahahaha, I laughed so hard I actually woke someone up! LOL.. oh Trulyscrumptions, you are too funny!!! I loved it! Bravo! |
Mak1 | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 05:58 am     Oh, Truly! I'm laughing so hard, thank you. What a riot!! |
Maryk | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 06:43 am     Trulyscrumptious, that was good! Thanks for the laugh! Thats why I'm so adamant that Dani should not win the grand prize. Lying and backstabbing are part of the game. I'll give her that, but outright character assasinations, bashings and meanness should not be rewarded. |
Earthmother | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 06:43 am     Very funny Truly...lol |
Gina8642 | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 06:44 am     Ditto on what MaryK said. That is the exact reason I don't want Dani to win. |
Earthmother | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 07:00 am     As I have said before, we see the game being played by all sides, but the hgs don't. They have a very small window of reality to base any facts on. The perception that they are being played by others or that others are scheming behind their backs is sometimes not true, but they are unaware. The jury will vote for who played the game best when leaving themselves out of the equation. They will vote on a personal level when they have been the victim of defilement. This is human nature. The old saying "It isn't whether you win or lose, but how you played the game", will more than likely decide who will take the number one spot if it comes down to Dani and Jason. I think they have both played the best game. Jason was smart in the very beginning by taking the role of good cop to Dani's bad cop. He sat back and let her make the enemies while strateging just as hard as she did. He is the one who managed to infiltrate every pact in the house, and report back his findings. He has made very good decisions for himself as well as Dani (she really hasn't had to make any decisions only given ideas as to what needs to be done). Her job was to break them down (in the eyes of others) and his was to get them out. How will the jury perceive this? Dani said mean things about me..and Jason didn't. |
Bigsister | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 07:07 am     HaHaHa, Truly. I knew there was a reason I don't have the live feeds. Thanks. I'm glad I stuck with this thread to the end. |
Cathie | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:15 am     Has there been much trashing of past or present HG since Marc left? I haven't watched feeds a lot, but what I've seen was pretty nice conversation, no bashing. |
Bailey | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:29 am     Truly... hilarious!!! |
Gina8642 | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:39 am     Cathie - Yes, there has been some. Especially stuff coming out of Dani's mouth. |
Abby | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:29 pm     Where in the rules does it say they have to give the vote to the player that played the game best? They can vote because Dani is wearing blue and they LOVE BLUE. Being the best player "Got them to the final 2" Sooooooooooo they can vote whatever they desire. between the final 2 |
Wendo | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:37 pm     Cathie and Gina, I've been watching the feeds and, other than some talk about prior HG's strategies, imo there has not been much trash talking or gossiping as there has been in the past. But, JMO. |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:08 pm     And a slowing of those kinds of conversations about others justifies what has all ready taken place? |
Wendo | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:15 pm     Lance, No, just answering a question and reporting what I've seen on the live feeds. That's all. |
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