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Wendo

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood, I guess you and I view that phone comp. differently. I wouldn't knock someone because they chose to go for the phone deal money. It is, still, a game. And, going for some money in the process doesn't bother me at all. Had it been a food competition (PB&J deal), I don't think any of them would've done it though. Five, ten and fifteen grand is a lot of bucks. I bet several of the already evicted HG's would've gone for it. (I think they talked about going for money at one point if it was offered.) To me, no big deal

Woodpecke®

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That would be what most people would say. She has declared on numerous occasions that she is in the house to WIN. Winning to Lisa includes being ethical and not being a person other than the lady that came into the house in July. If she wins HOH on Thursday, I will boldly predict that she will walk away from this game with $500,000 earned exclusively because of her genuine personality. The SIMPLE CONCEPT you fail to grasp is that she is 100% sincere and ALL the players have seen it.

Adrian

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Honesty is Lisa"

Why she would'nt tell Jason and Dani the real reason why she voted to evict Amy?

Loyalty?

In the DR, she said she was quite diasppointed that she's had out of the loop with the vote to evict Marcellas. The real reason why she is so sad is because their (Marcellas) plot (coup against J & D) has just failed.

Okkie

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Say it isn't so...Dani to win. She has never been on the block or ridiculed like any of the others. Even Jason was talked about. She trash mouthed everyone one time or another. I hope it will come back to haunt her. She talks about the devil in people but she said she will lie if that is what it takes. And did you notice her hesitation in admiting the luxury challenge? She needs to relook her critism of others playing the game and lying. what a total hypocrite. Yuuuck

Bkmac

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wouldn't vote Lisa to win because she turned down the money- while I felt for her because I believe she was completely sincere in wanting to talk to her father, I don't give her game points for it. I think Amy and Jason were smartest- they held out for decent cash amount and made a play for the money. That's what this game is about- not the experience IMO.

As to former and current females....

Jordan- unknown, 1 week wasn't long enough to judge her play ability. Ditto for Sheryl and Lori.

Britt- I think she would have fared VERY well because the house loved her. Her only real threats would have been Eddie (becuse he was too on the ball to be snookered) and Jamie (because she wanted to be the princess)

Karen- not stable enough.

Jamie- she was a good player, lip gloss and all. Did she deserve to win? Hmmm.... possibly. I think Eddie played a VERY good game so I am not sure she deserved a win over him but I would have called her game better than Josh's or Curtises (and I was a Curti fan *sob* )

Cassandra- decent player... had an understanding of some of the dynamics of the house and game. I would have been comfortable with her winning.

Autumn- too nuts.

Shannon- she isolated herself too much to just being Will's girlfriend. Had she worked on other relationships in the house as well she might have done better...

Krista- too cheap and obnoxious to make it all the way; same exact reson Chiara failed- only the accent differed.

Monica- yawn. Glad she didn't win.

Nicole- youch, obviously she played a strong game but honestly- Will played THE ultimate game.

Tanya- boobs will only take you so far in this game, she didn't have a chance.

Amy- this year Monica I think. Its sheer luck she sits where she sits.

Lisa- shes been a good player and has at times made difficult decisions to ensure her place in the game. Is she the ultimate BB HG? Possibly- she has a quality about her that makes her easy to like, by both men and women... so it's very possible.

Dani- great strategist, funny personality in the DR, knows how to kiss up to the right people in the right places. Those qualities are what have brought her this far- and those qualities are what might doom her to 2nd place in the end. Does she DESERVE to win? Yes, as much as Lisa and Jason at least. Will she? we'll see...

Bmh

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I loved Monica last year..dont get me wrong..in-fact she was one of my 3 favorite houseguests..

but she didn't play the game simple as that!..She sat around smoked,played cards,and had a couple of emotional outbursts..she was not a strong gameplayer at all..I think the only strategy sessions she had were with Krista..and they were not even that strategic..just playing around..so yes I agree with some here..Monica didn't do much..and didn't have anything to add to the game-playing aspect to BB2

Lisad

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope Dani & Jason come to their senses and boot off Lisa.

Woodpecke®

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not knocking anyone that chose to take the money. I probably would have taken the cash. She didn't. That is amazing to me. Her reasons were genuine. She meant it when she said that she wanted everyone to get a call, especially Danielle. I know she wants to win this game as badly as anyone. She likes these people and even though she knows the game is almost over she decided to be true to her friends of less than 3 months. It is a very BIG DEAL to me, Wendo.

Wendo

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa may be sincere now, but the girl was totally clueless before. Nor did I find her sincere until the last couple of weeks. I wouldn't vote her the money primarily because I DON'T think she's earned it. She is sitting there today becasue of Jason and Danielle. Had she been playing this game all along, then yes, I'd say she earned it. But for the first month of this game she was on an episode of Blind Date, not BB. Of the people left, Lisa has ridden on the coat tails of the two stronger players. They've done all the dirty work while her hands are clean. That's a fine strategy. But, for me, were I on the jury, wouldn't earn my vote. IMO, she's earned third place.

She may get to the final two, and then win the whole shebang. Fine. I'll applaud her. But I don't believe she's earned it.

edited to add...I'm not saying it's not a big deal to you. I just disagree. Please don't take my debate personally.

Kathyb

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Lisa is probably the nicest houseguest. Not perfect though, she was very much in the Gerry-bashing group.

Woodpecke®

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"She is sitting there today becasue of Jason and Danielle." There is no bigger fan of Jason than I am. Lisa truly cared about Eric and she has admitted that her romance kept her from focusing on the game. SHE REALIZED THIS AND DID NOT WANT HIM BACK IN THE HOUSE. She has been invaluable to Jason and Danielle and the record shows that she was instrumental in many evictions. She had to actually change strategies midway through the game and has done it perfectly. All by herself.

Niceguy

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You don't get past nine people on sheer luck folks. Monica was canny and perhaps her game was too subtle. Nicole and Kent attempted to distract her from it. To no avail.

Amy is a different story but I think we're going to find out something different than what has been seen either on the TV show or the live feeds after the show concludes.

Woodpecke®

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They all have faults Kathyb. Would you like me to judge Gerry on his ridiculous veto speech and decide that because it was full of crap that he must be also?

Llkoolaid

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, I have to disagree with you but only on one point, I don't think Lisa earned 3rd place. I think Amy deserves it more than her.

What555456

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I could not support Lisa to win because, like the post said above, she has not earned it. She has gotten to where she is because of Dani and Jason, not because of her own efforts.

In addition, her accusation of Gerry as a pedophile was the only truly vicious and unacceptable thing I have seen this year. Such an accusation can destroy a man, especialy one who is a teacher. Most of us men are well aware of how easy it is to be accused of such a thing and to have the accusation stick whether it is warranted or not.

The very fact she could think it and then say it tells me that she is not this sweet, young thing she appears to be. She is either very ignorant and does not understand how this world runs or she is truly mean. I hope it is the former, but I am not convinced it is.

Wendo

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Llkookaid, actually, you've got a point there. Amy has over come quite a bit, eviction, Chiara, Roddy, etc. So, yeah. How about, third place for both, if it were possible. :)

Punkin

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
People here keep saying how Amy and Lisa have done nothing strategically. Why can't "doing nothing strategically" be considered a legitimate strategy? Sort of like Will's strategy of admittedly not winning anything last year. I realize this is way off...but think of Gandhi's strategy...strict passiveness...he was interested in the end result (aka the big picture). Immediate results in one's favor does not necessarily mean that person has won the war...just that particular battle.

Woodpecke®

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Her comment about Gerry was retracted almost immediately after she said it. I agree that comment was mean, and I have commented on it many times; I posted about it as recently as THIS AFTERNOON. Gerry being a teacher has no bearing on that statement. Her definition was incorrect. She has earned it as much as anyone in this game has, Jason and Danielle included.

Jeeny98

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Llkoolaid, Amy already has third place. Well, financially wise, anyway. She's won a two week vacation in Mexico, some clothing, $10,000 cash, and a luxury cruise with Jason before she's evicted on Thursday. The offical 3rd place (Lisa)only gets another $750 and an extra week of bordom.

Lisa only has a 1 in 3 chance to win HOH and making it to F2, after Thursday. The other two are in a strong alliance, so her odds are even less.

Woodpecke®

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecke®
Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:37 am
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Calling someone a pedophile without justification is crap. (For proof of my convictions)

What555456

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood

There was no need for you to "prove" your reaction to Lisa's comment. I have read many of your posts, of course, and while I know you have a higher opinion of Lisa than me, I would have never thought You would have supported or approved her comment. You and I may disagree of how pivotal it is in judging her, but I would have been shocked if I thought you condoned it.

Eden

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa doesn't deserve to win the game any more than the sofa in the living room. It has been in the house the whole time too, and played the game about as astutely!

Danielle deserves to win. All these people whine about honesty, well, Danielle is the ONLY one that has been HONEST in the DR. The fact that they don't like the truth is more their weakness than hers. As far as bashing of HGs, not smart, but they have had no other input for so long. These are the kind of people that talk about the superficial, the immediate. That's obvious from their continuous pop culture chats. Not hard to follow that they would tear into each other with the same gusto, given that has been the only thing for them to feed on in weeks!

All that being said, I don't think Danielle will win. I think these people are too petty to be able to admit they were just outplayed.

I hope Jason and Danielle catch on to the fact that Lisa was betraying them with Marcellas and take Amy with them to the end. Lisa deserves NOTHING.

Woodpecke®

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I not only don't condone it, I totally was revolted by it. She did take the comment back. I haven't been much of a Lisa supporter until tonight. I saw something in her response to "the money grab" that was highly unusual and very refreshing. I am not expecting you or anyone else to suddenly change your opinion. I can sum this all up in one sentence. Lisa showed a tremendous amount of loyalty and ethics by refusing $15,000 in the name of friendship and I thoroughly applaud that behavior when it is obvious that she was completely sincere in her actions. Made me happy.

Zachsmom

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just wanted to be 100..:)

Woodpecke®

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 09:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"I hope Jason and Danielle catch on to the fact that Lisa was betraying them with Marcellas and take Amy with them to the end."


Let me get this straight. You are saying that Lisa has done nothing in this game to help Danielle and Jason, and that the alliance these two had is enough for Lisa and she should be content with 3rd place and do absolutely nothing to win the game herself. Baloney! To say that Lisa should lie down and let the game go by her without a fight and allow the two allied players win is a stupid idea and unrealistic. She has had to change her whole game since Eric and the rest were booted and actually was instrumental in all recent evictions.