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Jamisinc

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 04:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have always been pulling for Jason, and although I was saddened at some of Dani's ways because she was true to jason I pulled for her. I had little or no opinion of Lisa until she dissed Gerry so. I felt like she was mean spirited and didn't like her after that and didn't want her to win at all. But yesterday when she turned down the $15,000.00 so everyone could get the phone call and $1000.00 gift she made a major dent in my dislike. She either showed herself to be quite a player or very loyal. I am still for Jason and Dani to win, but now if Lisa does that will be ok too.

Willsmom

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I couldn't have said it better myself. That's exactly how I felt!

Angelwings

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I still like Jason, at least he held out for $15,000. But I must admit with Jamisinc, Lisa came up a notch in my book. I wonder also, if it was a great game play or honest. It may of been both, but I still think it was great of her. I was really pulling for Jason not to accept but I was not that upset that he did. I bet Dani could kick herself for just accepting $5,000. When she is in the final two, I believe this will be part of their decision making.

Blossumtree

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
well, i knew jason could be bought and i don't think it weighed on his conscience all that much. did you see the big grin he had on his face as he left the DR after he accepted the 15K? i think he could almost taste the money. and he continued smiling until Julie said someone would be getting 10K...boy did that smile disappear fast. i could almost hear him thinking, "waitaminute, is julie on crack? i accepted 15K not 10"

Cajunrambler

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't forget Danielle and Amy also accepted the offer.

Cmc209

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's so close to the end of the game, I'd probably accept the $10k - it's better to walk away with something then nothing, and let me tell you, I wouldn't mind an extra $10k in my bank account. <g>

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa's refusal to take any money in the Luxury competition was amazing. $15,000 and she said no. She instantly became a factor with the jury and with many of the viewers. The most selfless act in 3 years of watching this show. She was sincere. I am very impressed. If I were Jason or Danielle, I wouldn't want Lisa going against me in the final vote. Her stock is rising.

Faith

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They "love" each other,right? Like "family" right? They each knew how much a phone call meant to the other but look how fast they sold each other out. LOL! Jason was right, this is just a game but I have to admit, I gave Lisa a couple of points for this one. Now, if anyone wants to offer ME $5000, I'd be open to taking my couple of points back. (Well, maybe I'd hold out for $10,000) :)

Patman

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa showed extreme amounts of self-control and signaled to the other 3 houseguests that she's in it to win it, and that she wasn't going to be bought, even for $15 large. The other 3 showed their true colors as well, they'd sell each down the river if the money was right (and that's important now that we are at the end of the game, and Jason has to choose who goes into the final three with him and Dani, and which person he has a better chance to beat in a final two).

This is the true motivation of the luxury competition at this late stage in the game: to instill doubt in the minds of the remaining houseguests and to see if each person's mind changes based on how they "performed under pressure" of money, and showing how loyal they could be to one another. Lisa was the only one who had the intestinal fortitude to give up the money for the good of her housemates.

I think if Jason is smart, he should only work a deal with Lisa, asking her that should he boot Amy (keeps Lisa in the final 3), and if Lisa wins the final HoH, that Lisa takes Jason to the final two, otherwise, Jason boots Lisa, and takes Amy into the final 2. Lisa has shown that when she makes a deal, she will honor it. I don't think Jason can trust Amy enough to make that bargain with Amy (this is the distrust that the luxury competition will instill in Jason).

Guiltyviewer

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was very impressed with Lisa's comments, and believed them to be genuine expressions of her own feelings, not playing to the final jury. She is to be commended for being the sole refuser of the tempting offer. And not that I've had any doubts that Dani and Jason will take her to the final 3, I believe this insured her place and not Amy's since Lisa demonstrated her loyalty and generosity by such a selfless choice.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see Jason or Danielle making a change and asking Lisa to align with them. Patman's post was right on target. "Lisa was the only one who had the intestinal fortitude to give up the money for the good of her housemates." Her refusal to take 5, 10, and 15 thousand dollars for the sake of her friends in the house will play well with the jury. I predict: IF LISA WINS HOH THIS WEEK, HER SINCERE REFUSAL OF THE MONEY GRAB WILL RESULT IN A VICTORY AND A $500,000 REWARD. Game-breaker.

What555456

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought what she did was dumb.

I think it showed a complete lack of understanding of the purpose of why she is there and was the act of someone who actually believes that these other HG's are friends as opposed to competitors.

I certainly would not want her runnng any business or having any position of authority. Clearly she lets her emotions get in the way of achieving her goals.

If she is not there to play the game and win money, what IS she there for?

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She is there to get exposure AND to win the big money. She is clearly the second choice to win this game, and her chances against Jason are far better than you may realize. If she wins HOH on Thursday and evicts Jason, Lisa wins $500,000. Goal achieved.

Mack

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Regardless of Lisa's motivation, though I think it was sincere, she certainly had to make "brownie points" with the jury. I would think she'd have most, if not all, of the evicted members (5) of the 6 Pack on her side as it was. If Marc was being honest and not just emotional then she's got 6 pretty strong votes. Assuming she makes it to the final 2 she should have no worse than 4 votes. She'll lose 1, probably Eric's, and could lose a second if she doesn't realize Marc is, if he really is, pulling for her and she eliminates him. Seems to me she can easily pick up another couple of votes from the remainder. In other words I think Lisa wins the whole thing if she makes it to the final two. She was great last night! Dani now has a big problem.....she'll probably lose against anybody but Amy....and even that isn't a for sure. Of course, $50K ain't all that bad but she's obviously not thinking that way right now.

Faith

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Mack, regardless of the motivation it will score "brownie points" with the jury. She already has so many of their votes and this would only serve to strenghten them. I believe IF she can get to the final two, she can win this!

What555456

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If you are arguing that Lisa did what she did to win points with the jury, then she is as big of a hypocrite as anyone else and not sincere and honest at all. You are saying it was all an act just to get votes because of her greed to get the $500,000.

I don't buy it. I think she did it for exactly the reasons she said -- loyalty to people who will become memories for her in less than two weeks.

Emotion, all emotion. No logic at all.

For those of you who have complained on this Board about the ability of women to win this, Lisa's actions is the perfect example of why so many women cannot. They do not act in their own self interest --which is what this game is about -- but listen their emotions about relationships, in this case relationships which are temporarily intense but will have little impact in their life once this game is over. (This is not a critcism of women, btw -- more an observation).

Mack

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Lisa did what she did just to win points. I'm not saying that at all...I simply mean that she won points with the jury. I was hedging my statement that she might have had other motives but I don't really think so. And, to a point, I agree with your observation.

Wcv63

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What555...funny that sounds like a criticism of women when in fact you are talking about one very specific woman.

Dani is also a woman and has played this game on par with Will from BB2 and Rich from S1.

I agree that Lisa acted on emotion alone and did not consider what her housemates would do. Dani on the other hand considered her housemates, figured that at least one would take the money and made her decision from there.

Wrat1010

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What... suppose Jason and Danielle and Amy had refused the money while Lisa had accepted? Lisa's actions showed loyalty -- but that loyalty is also for game purposes. Being on the block with Jason the deciding vote, of course she was going to refuse the money. She didn't want to be judged as selfish.

If, as others have pointed out, this will also win her points with the jury down the road, then all the better. But the main purpose of her decision is to not give the Moral Majority an excuse to boot her out.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It is a criticism, What. No one in this thread has stated that Lisa played to the jury with her refusal of $15,000. I will say this so you can understand. She showed her true soul when she decided to play for the team. The relationships in this game cannot be measured against life long friendships or family ties. Lisa is on a television program that millions watch every week. She will be defined forever as the person that did not take the money and thought of others when it would have been far easier to try to bank some cash. YOU CAN WIN THIS GAME AND BE LOYAL TO STRANGERS.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As an added thought, I would like What555456 to defend, explain, or prove his statement from above.

"You are saying it was all an act just to get votes because of her greed to get the $500,000." What555456.

What555456

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv -- No, it is not criticism of women in general, which should be obvious since I have been one of the most ardent admirer's of Dani's skills since the very beginning.

However, if one looks at the women on BB3, almost all of those who were in the house long enough to observe based their actions on emotions and relationships or felt intense guilt when they went against that feeling.

Last year, even as emotional as she was, Nicole used Hardy for what she needed him for and then jettisoned him because she understood the ultimate goal. She focused and stayed on a logical course getting rid of people as she needed to, no matter what she felt about them.

As long as women players in these games play on emotion and relationships, they have no chance to win. When they use logic and strategy, they have as much chance as the men.

Lisa is where she is only because she was a useful pawn for Jason and Dani, not because of anything she has done. If she is in the Final 2, it will be because Dani and Jason had to take a risk on her and the risk failed. So be it; that is part of the game. But Lisa will not be there because of her own actions; she will be there because Dani and Jason cannot control not everything in this game.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Lisa goes to the final two, beats Jason or Danielle, then walks away with $500,000, are you saying that it is because of Jason and Danielle that she was popular with the jury and she was merely a pawn?????????????????

What555456

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood, I did not say she was playing to the jury. In fact, I said the exact opposite. I think what she did was emotion driven, illogical and dumb. All I said was that IF that is why she did what she did, then she is a hypocrite. Nothing for me to prove, because it was comment about a hypothetical situation.

Wcv63

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What555, I mentioned in another thread that there is a general perception that holds women to different (if not higher) standards in this game. You have just proved my case for me! Thank you!