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Flyonthwall

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 08:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sawyou: "That said, I really dislike it when live feed poster edit content such as flyonthewall. Although it will just make Dani look better to the houseguests in the end if they don't see she has said that."

First of all If you feel you can do better a job posting, please do! We are always short of GOOD LFP'ers.

Secondly, Dani has nailed her coffin shut with all she has said and there is no reason to keep beating a dead horse like she does.

Actually all I really would have to do to post her words is just to copy and paste from any number of posts that have been made on her spewing the same verbage over and over again!

It really hurts my feelings when someone make the comment you have about me editing LFP's and how you "dislike" that.
I respect your opinion and understand you dislike anyone editing what you read, but being a giving person it does hit me a bit hard.

If I had never told you I didn't edit myself, you would have never known unless you saw it with your own eyes or heard it with your own ears.
I'm honest.

I never side with any HG or try to put words in or take them out to make anyone look better or worse in my LFP's.
I stand by my accuracy on every word I've ever posted, and also by my own rights on ever word I passed posting.

Since my illness, I have learned I can't get it all anymore, so therefor I pass on doing them because of the respect level I have for this site and it's accuracy.

Forgive me if I limit what I post in my LFP's
But having this possible brain tumor does slow me down more and now the only time I step in is when NO ONE IS POSTING, so I don't see reposting things that have been repeated at every turn that big a deal.

So if you want it verbatem...I suggest you do it yourself.

FLY
{sorry to OT for this, and appologize to all for speaking my mind, but I get really ticked off when anyone says anything about the credibility or value of the LFP's, and my RIGHTS to do or not do something I give of myself so freely.}
End rant.

Sbou

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 08:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani "has got to go!" For all the talking she does about everyone else's lying, she sure does her share.

And then when she goes on her rampages about people being "mean, just mean", I'm wondering to myself... does she even notice the amount of talking about people behind their backs she does?

She is absolutely the biggest hypocrite in this game!

And she used to be one of my favs...

Bailey

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Flyonthwall.. I for one appreciate all that you do.. and how much you add to all that is good about this site. You know what they say about one bad apple... please don't let it get you down.
My prayers are with you.

Lisad

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani's played a great game from the get go. And she's taken Jason right with her and never waivered from him. Seems determined & loyal so far and I expect that to continue. Even if she thinks he'll hurt her in the end.

I think besides her bashing - she cares about people and isn't evil. Did you see the look of pain on her face when Marcy gave up the GPOV and started crying? That vote against him wasn't easy for her. She's playing and she's playing hard. And I think Jason would be gone by now if not for her. Period.

And let's not forget what the instructions will be to the jury. Who played the best game.

Ryn

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a reminder on the guidelines of this thread (reposted from the top):

Debate your opinions pro and con of the character of the Houseguests. Keep in mind that we are discussing the one named characters being portrayed in an artificial environment, keep the real life person out of it, we don’t truly know the real person. No bashing of fellow posters will be tolerated. Language standards will be enforced. This thread is more loosely moderated but is not moderation free. Excessively harsh posts may be moderated. If you choose to defend a favorite houseguest in one of these threads don’t let yourself get emotionally hammered. Every houseguest has at least one defender who can emotionally detach themselves, if you can’t do that, stay out of these threads.

Crossfire

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Man, that was unfortunate, of all the people to pick out, you pick on Fly. She has been the most amazing person here, helping, chatting, sending people nice uplifting messages in the member folders, and God knows how many hours upon hours of live feed posting for at least two years running, and from what I can tell, should probably be resting more than squinting at zillions of rows of type.

Fly, you have my deepest respect and admiration for the things you do here.

Ryn

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sigh......

Please get this thread back on track, what was posted was nothing new to Fly, or any of us live feed folks.

If you don't like the live feeds, read them elsewhere. Fly ROCKS

now back to the Danielle Discussion

further posts here about the other topic will be removed and will make me grumpy

Eden

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Danielle has played a great game. I don't see posters griping here about her behavior as any different than her bashing HG. Admittedly, I don't watch the LF all that much. I just pay attention to strategizing, all the rest bores me. That being said, Danielle is the only player who has had ONE strategy and stuck to it. I don't see lies in this game as any different than bluff bets in poker. Are those lies? Just because you don't say them out loud doesn't make the intention any less false. This is a GAME. I get so tired of all the sanctimoniousness talk about who "deserves" to win. The person that deserves to win is the one that has played the best game to get to the final two. PERIOD. And that doesn't include the ones who have clung to the coattails of the players who have done all the thinking, strategizing and work!

Flyonthwall

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

Quote:

RYN:
"don’t let yourself get emotionally hammered"




Right you are Ryn, sorry about that last post.
I did take it a bit to personally and it was off topic to boot.
Please delete my post if ya want to.
I don't want to make you grump! It makes me sad!

Bailey, and Crossfire, thanks a mil for your kindness. Means a lot.
and RYn,,,,,thanks tons!

Crossfire

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cut me a little slack here, I thought Fly of all people deserved a little support, and I did not see your post until after I posted mine, you just beat me to the punch.

Sorry about that though.

(Delete this is you need to, just wanted you to know I was not being so bold as to post that right after your message in defiance. Oh, and that sigh seemed rude.)

Again, very, very, sorry.

Wendo

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sbou said, "Dani "has got to go!" For all the talking she does about everyone else's lying, she sure does her share."

But that's the point. Point out others lies while keeping yours "hidden". I don't understand why people have such difficulty understanding the necessity of lying in this game. By pointing out others "indescretions" it keeps the focus, and target, off you.

Eden, ditto.

Bohica

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not a fan of Danielle. Her attempts to demonize Gerry and Roddy made me dislike her. However, I have to give her some props this week. She had the chance to save Marcellas from eviction but Danni stayed true to her promises to Jason. Good work Danielle.

Eden

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WOW! A "ditto" from Wendo!! This season of BB is now complete for me! LOL

I have long admired your thoughtful, insightful posts, Wendo! Consider me a fan!

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's obvious that I am not a fan of Danielle (duh) but I was also not a fan of Marcellas. I have to give Dani credit, though....her betrayal of her friend Marcellas, guaranteed that she missed her last chance to win in the final 2.

Of course, that depends upon whether or not all the evicted HG have learned how nasty she has been behind their backs,, but I think it's already a probability from Julie's interviews plus the other radio interviews and internet chats that most likely... Lori, Tonya, Eric, Gerry, Roddy, Chiara, and Marcellas would not vote for her in the final 2.

LOL

Eden

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<Edited> The game is to the last "man" standing. This whole moralistic approach is so ridiculous! This is a game. A game that includes bluffs and slights and misdirection. The same strategies one usually employs to win with the added courageous bit of it being face to face, eye to eye. People who put moral values on gameplaying must equally badmouth those that win at Poker, Pontoon , bridge!

Danielle is the best player. Period.

Please make your comments without baiting or flamming other's for their opinions. That kind of behavior only turns into fights between poster's, and wont be tolerated.

007

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eden - I do not believe that I fell "victim" to anything at all. I started out liking Danielle but then I got ENTIRELY fed up with her. This is not a "soap", it is a game that real people are playing...they are not just characters in a script. I simply do NOT like the Danielle I see in that house. If I were a religious man I might even believe that she was the devil. :)

The "bluffs, slights and misdirection" are one thing....the nasty side that Dani shows when she calls Roddy truly hateful names AFTER he is gone and says she would like to spit on him....well that isn't strategy, that's just judgementalness and it is hateful. If it's bourgeoise to not embrace and want to reward that kind of hateful attitude, then I am proud to be bourgeoise.

Please note... the way to WIN this game is to be strategic as possible while NOT being as hateful as possible....you gotta be strategic (or just very lucky) to get to the finals....but if you are hated, you are nothing more than first runner up. So far, Dani and Jason has played the most strategically, but luck (and the next HOH) will play a huge part in whether Jason makes it to the end. If he does, he will win....and that will point out how Dani's strategy will be done in by her judgemental attitude.

Lynnann

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 12:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eden- I totally agree with you. This is not a popularity or "nicest HG" contest. It is a GAME, period dot.

Maryk

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 10:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm getting tired of arguments about its a game and morality is out the window. Even in sports, you have to conduct yourself in a sportsman like manner. Respect your competitors. Bashing people and spewing hateful remarks in my opinion is not conducting youself properly even in a game. For that alone, she should be penalized and not win the grand prize.

Ryn

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 03:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
maryk

perhaps you have not heard the trash talking that goes on on Football fields on on the basketball court? Or the punches flying on the ice at hockey rinks?

Of course in hockey is more smashing than bashing....

:) just being silly.

btw - amy has bad-mouthed, danielle has bad-mouthed, for the most part Lisa and Jason haven't done that (although lisa admitted she said some very mean things about Gerry in the DR for his farewell message).

Who is gonna win? My money says Jason or Lisa - so they get their reward for playing 'nice' :)

and Danielle gets second place.

Bridgetlovesbb

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 03:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle isnt even worth an opinion in my honest opinion. LOL

Lisad

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 03:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Although Lisa has technically bashed less, I felt when she did bash, it was particularily hateful. Especially the Gerry thing. And her cuddling sessions with Roddy in the last days before his eviction and her subsequent nasty bashing of him seemed particularily disturbing to me. Her bashing seemed more intentional than others to me. Deeper.

I'd like to see Lisa go next with Jason coming in 2nd and Dani in first place. I hope.

Avrey258

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would like to see Danielle win. I don't always agree with her or even like her for that matter, but then I have felt that way towards most of the houseguests at one time or another.

About the devil thing, I guess I must have taken that in the spirit of the game because honestly I always thought it was said in jest or a joking manner. Now, some of the things said about Gerry definitely crossed the line and I also think the things they said about Tayna's personal problems crossed the line, however, I do go back and fourth on the Tanya thing because she did tell everyone about her drug use/marital problems first.

Costacat

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't like Danielle. I never have. I don't like her personality or how she's "playing the game." I hope she lands in third or fourth place!

Cassie

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eden posts: <Danielle is the best player.Period.
(Then bolded): Please make your comments without baiting or flamming other's for their opinions. That kind of behavior only turns into fights between poster's, and wont be tolerated.>

Well, if your comment above re Danielle is not baiting, please post an example of what would be. Thanks.

Bbholden

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't believe in rewarding people who can only play a game by demeaning others. I would have gladly given Danielle my vote, had she played the game fair, but instead, she knew she could not win unless she made up lies about people and then extended it into their real world. She has damaged both the reputation of Gerry, a school teacher for learning disabled students, the reputation of a young 23 year old girl living in a rather small town, with a business to run, and the reputation of Lori, a Mother and Homemaker with children. That is not being a winner, nor is it, IMO, earning the reward.. it is simply being a bully and cheater.

To reward this type of behavior is, IMO, to consent and approve of same behavior.