Archive through September 14, 2002
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Archive through September 14, 2002
Adrian | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:21 pm     Everyone here will be in for a shock. In this BB3 season's of expect the unexpected. (Amy winning it all is the next shocking ending possible) And I wish ... I would be able to capture the reactions of all anti-Dani here. To all anti-Dani here, please do not forget to set your videocams. I won't be so shocked if she lose.  |
Bearware | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:27 pm     I'm not anti-Dani, actually, just the opposite. I think she played a great game, but I don't think the other 'alpha-dog' personalities are going to lose graciously. I don't believe their pride will let them actually look at all this logically, recognize that they were outplayed, and vote for her, as they should. I think Dani will get the second prize money, but I'll be amazed if she wins. NOT because she doesn't deserve to, but because I don't believe in the other houseguests. The other person I believe should win is Jason, and I won't be hurt if either walks away much the richer. |
Bmh | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:31 pm     I agree I dont think any of the jury members have the guts to admit the black married mother of 2 played ALL of them..and slide right into the final 3 without getting nominated once!..She is a amazing game-player despite some of the mean things she said(which was stratedgy and meant nothing anyways)..if this game turns out right..Danielle will walk away with 500,000 dollars..sure Lisa and Jason are nice and cool..but they were under the radar..and Dani's b*tches the whole time..I want the best player to win..and that is Danielle Reyes |
Justshirley | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:31 pm     I believe that both Danielle and Jason have played the game the best. However, part of playing the game the best is remembering that, in the end, you need to secure the votes of those who went before you in order to win it all. Daniells seems to have forgotten that. And that is why Jason will beat her. |
Kellirippa | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:32 pm     When Richard won the first Survivor, and Will won the 2nd BB it was because even though the other players felt that they had been back-stabbed or lied to, once they had a little distance from the actual competition they were able to respect good gamesmanship. Therefore, I believe that we need not count Danielle out yet. She outplayed everyone and could well be rewarded for that. |
Shyguy | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:34 pm     I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Dani WILL NOT WIN 1ST PRIZE! She's played a brilliant game, but has blown it in the DR. I doubt any of the "Jury" will give her any votes after listening to her DR entries. Jason or Lisa will win. |
Kellirippa | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:38 pm     ...lest we forget Will's diary room sessions! I say it aint over 'till it's over! |
Battlestar | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:50 pm     Remember that Nicole DID NOT WIN because of the same feelings that some of the evictees have towards Danielle. Kelly lost Susan's vote for exactly the same reason. Surviovor is a different game then Big Brother--the jury has only the game to vote on--BB's jury has the game and also outside information to utilize. Danielle will not pull in enough votes |
Blossumtree | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:51 pm     yes, but will was evil in a lovable kind of way. a lotta people just loved to hate him. dani is just hated. |
Maryk | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:02 pm     People forget who Will was up against - Nicole! By the time in the end, Kent & Monica "hated" her more because of her betrayal than what Will has ever done to them. Kent & Monica knew who Will was but felt betrayed by Nicole. |
Adrian | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:03 pm     "dani is just hated." A lot of people here do. I'm not sure if all the evicted HGs despise her. Just do not speak in behalf of all evicted HGs. I heard Gerry initially hates her. But in the end let's wait and see, if most of them see her as a bad person. If all of them are watching the LIVE FEEDS, they would get the better understanding of Dani and why she deserves to win. Based on their relationships inside the house, it's possible that Danielle will not get a single vote in the end but that's my point, the odds of her winning it all is so huge that this (D winning it all) is got to be BB3's fitting end to a great season. BTW, Dani has similarities to both Nicole and Will (and Eddie ... like Eddie she keeps on telling everyone that she needs the money most than anyone of them). |
What555456 | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:03 pm     Shyguy You may be right that she has blown it based on what we have seen of the DR which is likely as carefully edited as everything else on the TV shows. Though, I am not convinced that what we have seen of the DR will come back to bite her, but..... Even so, don't assume what we have seen in the DR is everything there is to see or everything the jury will see. There is a lot of DR time we have never seen and have no idea what has been said. We only have the image BB wanted us to have about what was really said in there. |
Adrian | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:07 pm     What555456 is right. The evicted HGs know for sure that BB will mostly air the controversial things a HG would say in the DR. Most HGs know Dani's personality (a hoot, riot and scandalous). She has been mostly very truthful, candid & accurate in her DR entries though.  |
Punkin | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:09 pm     There is such a thing as "gamesmanship". Will and Richard from Survivor used it. They told people to their faces what they thought and that yes, they would lie...that is gamesmanship. Dani, on the other hand, has done those very same things but in a hypocritical manner...that is poor gamesmanship. That's why, in the end of those games, the jury did not hold it against them and voted for them to win...because they were honest in their duplicity (if it is possible to be "honest" about one's dishonesty). Dani has seemingly not been honest about being dishonest not only with the others, but with herself. That's the big difference...JMHO. |
Kellirippa | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:16 pm     I just think that once you're back with your real family and friends and have cameras out of your face, you would tend to put things in a much more realistic perspective. Although Danielle is possibly not in the dire finacial condition that she would have the other hg's believe, I still think that this would be life changing money for her. Jason is a young single guy, living with his parents. Danielle still has a chance.... |
Maryk | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:16 pm     Also, as I said in another thread - strategizing, backstabbing and even lying can be accepted as part of the game. But excessive bashing, meanness, and character assasinations outside the context of the game to me should not be rewarded with a grand prize victory. |
Punkin | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:18 pm     Maryk...my opinion exactly...you just worded it much better and more succinctly that I did. ;D |
Battlestar | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:25 pm     ----young single guys living with their parents can quickly turn into young married guys wanting to buy a house for the family they intend to have. Just because Danielle's children are conceived and alive, does not make Jason's future children not in need of money. It's not the DR entries that will sink Danielle, it is the bashing and trashing |
Romans8_1 | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:26 pm     IMO, I don't see anyone of the final 4 that Dani can beat. I think even Amy could beat her at this point. She'll get 50K and that'll be better than 10 other HG. |
What555456 | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:31 pm     MarK and Punkin To me, character assassination is very different from image assassination. I see character assassinatio a something that would damage someone's reputation both inside and outside of the House. Image assassination, to me, is simply altering the image the house guests have tried to portray to each other and will have little or no bearing on how the person is perceived outside of the house. I have seen a lot of image assassination going on by lots of the HG's. The only thing I have seen that even comes close to character assassination was Lisa's comment about Gerry being a pedophile -- especially because he is a teacher. Had she pursued that, his entire career could have been in jeopardy. To me, Amy's references to Chiara as a wh*re were close to character assassination as well, but as I recall, Chiarra used that same reference herself -- although she was joking and Amy was serious. |
Adrian | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:33 pm     To Dani <detractors>, Bring it on. Let's wait and see if that's how the evicted jury HGS are seeing and interpreting these things. (c) |
Adrian | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:36 pm     What555456, exactly. It seems that a lot of people here are taking more seriously (than the Hgs themselves) what the HGs are saying and acting in the house. |
Battlestar | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:40 pm     adrian---I don't hate her, but I still don't think she can win because of the simple fact that she only played the game to the people inside the house. |
Punkin | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:41 pm     What...I agree in your distinction between character and image assassination. I am giving the benefit to all the ex-hgs that they will see the difference. My point is...Dani saying those things makes herself look bad...she has assassinated her own character AND image by the constant bashing. Adrian - I think most of us are not Dani <detractors>. I admire her strategy and I also think she deserves to be in the final four. I just think there are those still in the house that are more deserving because they've played a game that has been just as strategic, but "cleaner". (c) |
Fabnsab | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:41 pm     Ok, so what I have gathered in this thread is that it is ok for men to be backstabbing and manipulative and mean because they're just playing the game but when women do it, they're b*tches who don't deserve to win. Examples... Richard Hatch-won Will-won Kelly-lost Nicole-lost let's not forget the Tina win but she was villified and Colby was made to look like a martyred hero. and the consensus seems to be leaning towards Dani not winning because she played a good game but people expect men to be strategists but women to be nurturing innocent souls so when they're not, it is not accepted as good gameplaying. I am not saying that the people in this thread say this. It is merely an observation. |
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