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Woodpecke®

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Turnipbrain's overly confident and totally odd refusal to save himself with The Golden Veto completely nullified any prior agreement that Jason had with him before Thursday's show. Jason would have been completely stupid NOT to get rid of Turnipbrain.

Tresbien

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What: "Add the fact she is showing tremendous loyalty to how well she played the game, and the jury may likely see everything else she is accused of doing in a very new light."

Thank you...it's nice not to feel alone in my opinion for a change!

Jimmer

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why would T's decision not to save himself with the golden veto, nulify any prior agreement with Jason? The two are unrelated as far as I can see (other than by believing Danni, Marcellus thought he was safe).

Muse

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah...Jason never gave his word to Roddy. Roddy actually never approached him about the vote, no doubt assuming that he had Lisa and Danielle voting to keep him in. Jason did promise Chiara that he wouldn't nominate Roddy if he won HOH the day she left, which is a promise he *did* keep.

And as for Marcellas...I don't think he promised to keep him. No reason to, since Marcellas kept saying that he knew there was no way anyone would vote to keep Amy. From Marcellas' EW interview, it's my impression that he wasn't surprised at *all* that Jason evicted him - just that Danielle did. She promised to keep him; Jason didn't. Unless I missed something. :) I don't think saying things are "okay" necessarily translates to "I promise not to evict you if there's a tie".

I don't see Jason breaking his word to Lisa. He has only lied (or misled people - whatever) in the game when he felt pressured to, and then only with much guilt. In this case he willingly gave her his word, and seemed to feel fine about it. It would take something major (Lisa doing something reeeally awful) to make him want to break it...and I don't see that happening.

Woodpecke®

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Muse worded it perfectly. My reason for saying any prior agreement(there wasn't one) that Jason may have had with Turnipbrain was definitely suspect when TB chose to ignore The Golden Veto. His action threw everyone into a different mindset. Jason had an agreement with Danielle to vote out Turnip if he didn't use GV. The Bill Buckner of BB.

Krossd

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Muse too.... I don't think saying things are "okay" necessarily translates to "I promise not to evict you if there's a tie".

It should be obvious in this game if one is pressured one has to hedge, and that should tell the pressuree that the HG isn't in his corner. Roddy believed what he wanted to believe of Jason. Jason handled it as good as he could without giving an actual 'word'. I think FORCING someone to give their word is the worst thing in this game.

I also agree with Tresbien too, Dani went out of favor with me, and has come back because of her keeping her word to both Jason and Lisa. I would vote for her over Jason in the end, but not Lisa. While we can't see how Lisa played the game (not as blantent) we can't assume she hasn't been playing or wouldn't have taken a course of action for her benefit.... and altho Dani has done a lot of the 'work' - it could be Lisa saw this in her favor, and why not stay low if that is the case. Other than the Gerry 'thing' being overboard (tho Amy is agreeing with Lisa about it, it makes me wonder what went on and the extent of it)... Ihave liked the way Lisa has been to every other HG.

So, Yes, Dani fell out of favor with me big time, but has gained points in this last round.
I would vote Dani over Jason for the sheer determination she's used. Of course I'm not one of the evictees either!

Jimmer

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's interesting that most people think that Danni can't win because of her tactics, but that her ally and sole beneficiary of her tactics (Jason) is likely to win against anyone else.

Lyn

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I haven't read this whole thread (I'm so far behind in my reading) but this is what what I'm wondering

About Lisa being nominated

D to J: I told her it's a trust issue, and I told her she would be OK

J to L: Trust me you are ok

I don't think they've promised Lisa NOT to vote her out, they've only implied it. Don't they usually say "you have my word that _____ is going this week" or something to that effect?

The way I see it, Jason and Danielle can STILL evict Lisa.

I'm not ready to count Amy out just yet :)

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I, too think that Marcellas used the brains of a turnip when he didn't use the GPOV.....but name calling (calling him "Turnipbrain" over and over and over) seems a bit over the top to me. I don't think the mods would allow *me* to directly call Dani an insulting name over and over.

Although....if it's permissable, then let me know, Mods!.... have a few names I'd like to attach to Dani.

Becca

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If your voting on who played the game the best. I personally think that between DAni and Jay (its slightly questionable, Jason did a lot of the work too. he was executionar and his six membership helped too. He plays differently then Dani but he has at times made the dangerous moves. Marc eviction, Eric evicition two glaring ones. Put him in very bad spots and helped Dani.

As for Lisa there is no doubt in my mind that boht Jason and Dani played the better game. Lisa does not deserve to win this thing, and Roddy thinking she does shows just how clueless he really is. (Amy doesn't deserve it either). Jason and Dani may now have more enemies but that's what happens when you play the game well. They controlled this game. No doubt in my mind that they are the two best players in this game.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
All in fun San Fran. A descriptive term for an amazingly stupid move in a game where saving yourself is paramount. I don't think that Turnipbrain is meant to be an insult. (Quit being a tattletale). LOL!

Ginger1218

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I would not trust anything that Dani and Jason say. So Lisa better beware. Thankfully she is wise to the two of them. I can only hope she wins HOH next week. If she takes out Jason, she wins the game, hands down. Dani cannot win over her. Actually I don't think Dani can win first place over any of them. Not that I am that concerned over it, but just my opinion.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep, Ginger. That sums it up. Yes indeed. I like your thinking.

Sweetbabygirl

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ITA, Ginger.

No way will Opie evict Amy this week, he will eliminate the biggest threat to the game.

Demeter

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jason will evict Amy because he gave Lisa his word.

However, I was uncomfortable with how that happened. Danni "announced" to Jason that she had already told Lisa that they would be keeping her and then wanted validation from Jason that they would and told him to go tell LIsa the same thing. She put Jason on the spot.

I don't think he will go against Danni's decision.

Battlestar

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason will want the person who will take him to the final 3 if they win HOH.

Danielle will want the person who will take her to the final 3 if they win HOH.

soooooo......if Danielle finds out that one of the girls favors Jason to and not Danielle...will she convince Jason to evict her and therefore put Jason in harms way.

Or--is she just convinced that the odds are in their favor that either her or Jason will take HOH

Ginger1218

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<Laughing> I like your thinking too Mr. Wood!!! In the immortal words of CSNY from 4 Way Street
"Right Between the Eyes"

Romans8_1

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It all doesn't matter.

Lisa has no control over if she leaves or not. I doesn't matter if she believes them or not at this point about getting to the final 3. Either Jason will or will not take her and there is nothing she can do about it at this point.

The are only 2 question on the table
1) Who is the lesser chance of winning HOH ... Amy or Lisa
2) Who has the great chance of winning the votes ... Amy or Lisa

This will dictate who gets to the final 3 and then it is simply a free for all to see who wins HOH. Everybody can talk all they want, but only the stubborn will not accept that Dani will take Jason and vice-versa. If either Dani/Jason do not win HOH, then it doesn't matter to them if it's Amy or Lisa except in the sense of which one they have a better chance of beating.

My prediction ... Amy gone, and either Jason or Danielle will win HOH and take each other. Then Jason will win 7-3.

Draheid

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
IMHO -
Sarcasm ON
Lisa should feel about as safe as a $100 bill in an 18yo boys pocket while visiting the Chicken Ranch!
Sarcasm OFF

Battlestar

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Romans---Danielle will not TRY to win HOH

Groucho

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Romans, I think there's a third question on the table too:

(3) Who will Amy or Lisa choose to take to the final 2 if they win HOH next week?

In fact I think this is the most important question, at least from Jason's point of view, since he will likely win against anyone in the final jury vote.

From Danielle's point of view, it makes sense to keep Lisa, since it looks like Lisa would take her to the final 2. Dani's been closer to Lisa during the game than Jason has, and she probably figures that Lisa would not want to go up against Jason in the final vote. Plus, Amy's a bit of a wildcard and Dani probably doesn't feel safe with her getting HOH.

But Dani has no vote this week. Jason has all the power. He's got to think about what happens in case the survivor this week (Lisa or Amy) gets HOH. He probably knows that Lisa would boot him, but what would Amy do? I don't think anyone knows for sure. If he were smart, I think he'd go to Amy and make a deal with her -- I'll save you this week if you promise to take me to the final two if you win HOH. Or, at the very least, if he doesn't want to look like a scumbag to the jury by making this deal, he should at least figure out where she stands on this issue.

I honestly don't understand why he seems to have quickly decided to boot Amy this week. It seems like he should be thinking a lot more about this decision instead of just sticking with Lisa as an alliance member. He's got all the power, why not leverage it?

Krossd

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think it really matters which one he takes to the final 3. Either of them could make a deal with him.... and there is more likelyhood that Dani or Jason could win the HOH, than Lisa anyway. Plus Amy has to annoy Jason much more than Lisa, who in his mind has to be more deserving since Amy has won so much.

So, I really don't see that it makes a huge difference if he gets this agreement with either of them (I wondered why he didn't at least get a hint about it, other than not wanting to tip his hand to Dani and look like he wasn't with her in their alliance). Jason has already given his word to Lisa. He usually keeps his word. I hope he does this time too :)

Fruitbat

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I see no reason why Jason would go back on his word. He gained nothing by telling her this. He could have just kept his mouth shut and allow both Amy and Lisa to sweat it out.

Why not just put it on the table and have an enjoyable 6 days.

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Jason gave his word. And according to him, his word has a huge value. However, if you watched the DR excerpt of Danielle, the story is different. Although she told Lisa that Lisa was safe, she said in the DR that she's watching for any signs of dissention. Once she detected that sign, Lisa is gone (instead of Amy). So, the answer is not so clear-cut. I do think that Lisa conceals her feelings quite well. Danielle herself is being fooled by Lisa, since Lisa's not very easy to read. So, I think that Lisa is safe for now.

"In fact I think this is the most important question, at least from Jason's point of view, since he will likely win against anyone in the final jury vote."

I disagree. Jason vs. Lisa would be a clear win for Lisa. Jason vs. Danielle would be a close vote. Jason vs. Amy may be his best shot.

I also think that Lisa would boot Danielle, not Jason, should she win HOH next week. She's just nodding her head to make Danielle happy, lest Danielle has her head on a silver platter soon.

Jimmer

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Jason was playing well, he would have stalled as long as possible with his decision on who he will evict and hope that Lisa and Amy would come to him and offer him deals to keep them. That way, they would be making the offer and he wouldn't look bad at all. In fact, he wouldn't even have to agree to the offer. Now of course, Danni did her best to avoid that situation by forcing Jason’s hand as early as possible.

Battlestar

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
what dissention is Danielle looking for in Lisa???

That she'll try to win HOH??

That she'll take Jason to the final 2 if she wins HOH??

How can Danielle's best interest be Jason's best interest and will Jason change his mind on who to evict on Danielle's say so???

Wendo

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jimmer, I disagree that Dani forced his hand. As they've both said in their DR's, they make decisions together when they are in these positions. And, Jason made it clear that Lisa was the one he wanted in the final three when he put Mar up last week instead of Lisa. He said during the show thurs. that he and Dani had final three scenarios with both Li and Mar and it was time to make a decision. Hence, Mar going on the block.

Also, Lisa and Dani are going to spend the day together. Unless Lisa is SURE she wouldn't choose Dani if she won HOH, them spending the day together may sway her toward Dani to the end over Jason.

Ginger1218

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal, I disagree, I absolutely do not think Lisa would take Jason over Dani to the finals. She would have a much harder time against Jason. I think she is a breeze to win against Dani. If she does not know that - then she is as much a turnipbrain as Marcellus (Sorry Mr. Wood - had to borrow the phrase :) But, I do not think that is the case. I think she knows what she has to do.

Groucho

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly Jimmer. Why did he give his word so quickly? I can't see any reasonable endgame scenario in which this makes sense. He's got the power, he should be trying to use it to his advantage one way or another. Can anyone explain what he is thinking?

Groucho

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Battlestar -- yeah, Dani's comment about dissention from Lisa cracked me up too. Of course Lisa is gonna try to win HOH, and Amy would too. So the only thing Dani can be worried about is that Lisa would take Jason to the final 2 instead of her. Then what is she gonna say to Jason -- evict Lisa because she's on your side, not mine? I almost want to see it happen just to watch how Dani would play it.

Wrat1010

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Jason votes out Lisa and Amy stays and wins HOH and takes Jason to the final, it's not necessarily a given that Jason would beat Amy.

He would be in a similar position that Nicole was in when she faced off against Will in the final. In BB2, Will was always on the block or else voted to save the person who ended up getting evicted -- the only exceptions to this were, I believe, Autumn and Hardy's evictions. Nicole, on the other hand, was a major contributing factor in the evictions of every other houseguest.

As for Amy, she played a role in the evictions of Tonya and Chiara, but other than those two, she never even had a say in the vote, because she was always on the block. Jason has been a deciding vote in the evictions of Eric, Marcellas and Tonya -- and he voted to evict every other evicted houseguest except Gerry (who he nominated) and Lori. It's easy for the people who are in the house to say Amy doesn't deserve to win, but the people outside the house might see things differently -- and they may resent how Jason has twice (and possibly thrice if he evicts Lisa) used Amy as a decoy; just as Nicole and Hardy used Will as a decoy to evict Kent, Bunky, and Monica.

This is why I think that Jason, as a student of previous Big Brother shows, will not take a chance that history will repeat itself should Amy reaches the final. And as others have pointed out, Amy has been a strong competitor in the competitions and is more likely to win the last HOH than Lisa.

Wendo

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wrat, she was HOH when she got back and put Chi and Roddy up. I'm pretty sure she wouldn't get Chi's vote, and possibly not Roddy's because the PoV debacle.

Onlymytulips

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see the connection of Danille and Nicole. Plus, I do not think that Danille would go as far as Nicole did with Will in the hottub. Nicole was vile and rude towards alot of houseguests, getting in thier faces over and over again. That is how Will won, being truthful about his lying and having the guts to put up with a woman that was using him. No one is using Amy or Lisa in this game.

Wrat1010

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo... I think I have reconsidered my position on Amy being able to beat Jason. I wasn't thinking about individual jurors -- and now that I have, I realize that the men are unlikely to vote for Amy because they don't respect her strategy, with the possible exception of Eric and Marcellas, and even with them it is more for anti-Jason reasons.

But to keep this thread going... will Jason keep his word to Lisa once he finds out that Lisa has won the America's Choice internet chat? I think it will stir up some jealous feelings, enough for he and Danielle to contemplate it, but that ultimately he won't break his word.