Archive through September 10, 2002
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The "devil" bed time story...is it going too far??:
Archive through September 10, 2002
Spunky | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 08:56 am     (The devil thread has disappeared, so I had to open a new one). I don't know if it really happened but I read the longest post ever about Danielle's telling the others a bed time story of how she lived in this house with the devil and what she did to get rid of him. The story seemed to me very well thought out and makes me think Danielle is used to concot this kind of stories and that she grew up with similar stories told by her father or someone in the family storytelling just as she did last night. It seems to me that there is an obsession in Danielle to think of some people who necessarily are competing against her (in life or in a game) as the devil and that her conviction is so strong that she fully believes it. I find this quite disturbing and very strange indeed.... I'm surprised Jason didn't try to evaluate with her this idea she has of the devil.. |
Twiggyish | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:01 am     I agree Spunky, it does seem like an obsession. It makes me wonder if the devil doesn't symbolize something to her. (Such as sin) Is it possible Roddy represented the devil, because she was tempted by him? He is handsome and CAN be charming. By using the word sin, in this case, I mean HER conception of it. |
Secretsmile | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:01 am     Spunky, Jason was not in the room for story time. And when asked, she would not repeat it for him. |
Spunky | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:06 am     I thought Jason would have been in the HOH room when she was telling the story, but he knows of her frequent references to the "devil" since she openly admitted of saying that in the DR... and since this is becoming too repetitive I expect someone telling her..."enough with this demonization.." but I guess all the others are becoming used to it as she must have got used growing up with that idea.. |
Wcv63 | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:10 am     Also, I can't see Jason trying to evangelize or moralize. He doesn't strike me as the type to try to push his own beliefs on anyone. |
Wiseolowl | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:15 am     Nice way to lull the kiddies to sleep. When that popped up on the live feed posts, I just scrolled down the page. Been there - done that....This lady has a problem |
Ark | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:31 am     Dani's father is a minister and when I first started reading (I had gone to bed) it sounded like a sermon, like many I've heard in the Baptist church. I don't have any idea if her father is a Baptist minister but that's what I thought when I started reading her story. I'm sure Dani has been her father's sounding board when practicing his sermons but even if she wasn't, what parent hasn't made up a bedtime story for their kids, using real life situations and people but giving those people different names. |
Bohawkins | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:54 am     Following is the live feed posting made by Alegria at Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 02:46 am Danielle, Lisa & Amy are talking in bed. When I came in they were talking about Roddy, rehashing his voting out. Then Danielle starts talking about him being the devil and talks about the bible and how 1/3 of the angels followed the devil and when she saw Roddy she could see his charisma and thought "I see you". She also mentioned the sign language and thinking "don't teach the devil, D-E-V-I-L". She talks about how often she has referred to Roddy as the devil in her DRs. "he has a vcr for a brain and thinks of how he should say things and comes back to you". "when I got my America's Choice and Roddy came to me and said 'I was praying for you' and I thought 'the devil is afraid of God' [laughter] his family is going to hate me but you know who is going to appreciate this? Josh. He is going to think 'you are calling my man the devil'" D: are you tired yet Lisa L: no, I'm enjoying this Danielle starts playing a role, looks like she is holding up a mike to her mouth and talking into it, being a narrator talking about the devil being locked into the house with 11 people. She starts talking like a biblical prophet, 'for 30 days and 30 nights I prayed. I even fasted on peanut butter. Now the devil had other demons in the house, some were stinky...some were beautiful...and some tried to tempt you!...and then there was a war against good and evil in the house and the devil he was good, so one by one, the smelly one, the pretty one and the one with feet, the feet devil made noises as his feet scraped across the floor... you knew that demon was coming but you did not know what to do...but the biggest one...one of the angels, a confused one, went to the devil but granny prayed 'dear God, let her see the devil'...so, he was very charismatic with words, words that would put you to sleep....so we prayed for the angel...finally she saw it but, of course, good natured as she was she felt sorry for the devil...so we prayed, but we didn't say anyting to the devil. One night while talking to the devil she saw his horns growing in front of him...as his tongue grew she saw it...but even thought she saw the devil her compassion was still there. Could she be strong enought to get rid of the devil?...we all held our breath...as a united front we got together...and the devil walked out the door...we reminded ourselves that we are all good people...as we grin and laugh and as the angel with the broken wing and the big heart mended herself she realized that with love and friends...Amy enjoyed the rest of the week in the house.... the END" Danielle floped back in bed and they giggled. D: I almost said something about Chiara but I couldn't do it. Jason pops his head it and Amy tells him that he missed the best ghost story. D: I can't do it again. Jason heads back to bed. What Danielle was doing was obviously a comical "send up" about the people in the house. I am amazed that so many would post here without, either having read the live feed post, or if they did, without having understood it. |
Spunky | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:08 am     Bohawkins, that version would not have shocked me as much as the other one I read which I think was more detailed and here it is, if it's okay (otherwise Mod delete). Dani's bedtime story Author: DD (12.235.55.158) Date: 09-10-02 04:16 After Dani was telling Lisa and Amy(Jason was asleep) about how she was calling Roddy 'The Devil'. Amy and Lisa were laughing. Dani says that her girls will probably be scared of Roddy when they see him. Amy said Danielle will tell ghost stories to her grandchildren. And that give Dani an idea. She does a granny voice and tells a bedtime story. "One night in the year 2002. Granny went away for the summer. I was locked in the house with eleven other people. What made it more difficult... the devil was part of them. The only thing is that granny didn't know who was the devil. But then the devil came one day. In front of the devil's gift--playing cards. And as we played the card, the devil looked me in my eye. And he said 'Dee, I don't know were I stand with you?' Right there. That is where the devil wanted my soul. He wanted my word. Listen children, your word is your gold. Never give it, especially to the devil. But I asked the spirit of god to come upon me. And I said Lord give me the wisdom and discernment you gave King Solomon. And I saw right through that devil and got his number. And for 30 days and 30 nights I prayed. I even fasted on peanut butter on some days. To have a clearer conscious, just so I knew what he was up to. Now the devil had other demons in the house. Some were really stinky. Some were really smelled bad. Some had bad feet. Some were beautiful. But you knew who they were--and they tried to tempt you! But you had to stay strong and you had to hook at people who were light and beautiful. They were angels. And then there was a war between good and evil in the house. And we had to decide to be strong. And the devil oh he was gooood. But the way you get to the devil is you take out the demons. One at a time. So one by one. The smelly one, the pretty one, and the one with feet. Ah the one with feet. The feet that would make scraping noises as walked across the carpet floor. And he was a trip because this demon had a tickle in his throat and would cough.(makes gross cough) You knew that demon was coming but you didn't know what to do. So, granny and the group of other angels, we plotted and worked together as a team and took one demon at a time. One by one. But the biggest one, was Satan himself. Now as we sat there and said this was the time that we could get rid of the devil. One of the angels, a golden angel with a voice that was so beautiful went to the devil like a moth to a flame. And the devil almost had her. But granny and the other angels, we prayed. And we asked 'Dear God, let her see the Devil.' Because unbeknownst to you little boys and girls, the devil is a very good looking man. He had a six pack. You don't know what that is but you will know in due time. He was very charasmatic, he spoke words. Words that will put you to sleep. Where you say like 'I want to be your friend. I want to do everything for you. I don't want to leave the house. But I will leave the house for you.' He was the Devil. So we prayed for the little angel with golden hair. And finally she saw it. But of course good natured as she was she felt hurt..for the devil. Because she and she alone had a very good soul. So the obstacle for the little angel was should she not try to save the devil? Or should she give it up and get rid of evil forever out of the house. So we prayed but we didn't say anything to the little angel. Finally one night when she is talking to the devil. Enticed by his charisma, and mesmerized by his grace. She saw his horns grow right in front of her. And his slit tounge slink out of his mouth. And as his tounge grew. She saw HIM and she was horrified. But although she saw the devil the compassion in her heart was still there. Could the angel be strong enough to get rid of the devil? All the other angels waited to see. But we didn't know what was to happen. But the day came when the quivering little angel stood up. She was very scared. But we wondered if she could be strong enough? And she looked at the devil--and then she looked away. And she made that decision not to save him because she knew--The Devil can never be Saved. And as a united front we got together and the angel we embraced, her wing was broken, but we helped her fix it. We embraced her and she weeped with a compasionate heart. And the devil walked out the door. And we all sat there with anger, but we reminded ourselves that we are all good people and we're here to enjoy this house that is ours. And as we grinned and laughed. And as the angel with the broken wing and big heart mended herself together and became herself again. She realized that with love, friends that the devil must be expelled. And we enjoyed the rest of the summer with glee. Because the devil was out of the house. The End. " After the story Dani said she was going to say something about Chiara but she could do it. She was going to make one of the demons have a rash. |
Bohawkins | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:18 am     You know, Spunky, I have to agree with you. I am the one who drew conclusions without having read the detailed accounting you just posted. Danielle is quite frightening. She truly believes that she was (and is) battling demons. I really think that she honestly thinks that Roddy is Satan, personified. The insane asylums are full of people who have that kind of dementia. This is a dangerous woman. |
Maris | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:27 am     I am not surprised that she is so caught up in satan and evil. Think about it, she got pregnant as a young teenager and her father was a minister. I would not be surprised if she hadn't been accused of being weak and succumbing to the devil. It does not surprise me that she would blame the devil for anything that does not go her way in life and that makes her life difficult and in this case it was Roddy. I have no doubt that she believes it 100%. She can explain away her own bad behavior by rationalizing that she was fighting the devil and had to use his tools to get rid of him. She is definitely not somebody you would want to get involved with that is for sure. I would give that lady a wide berth. |
Wcv63 | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:32 am     You know what. That is a story. A fanciful story that weaves fantasy into the BB house reality. Nothing more. Nothing less. A story. And no, I don't believe that Dani thinks it is anything more than an amusing bit of storytelling to while away the hours and create a bit of entertainment. |
Twiggyish | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:36 am     I still think she's obsessed with the devil right now, because of issues within herself. I'm not a mental health person, so I don't know. Perhaps, she's sees Roddy as evil, because he was a temptation, he was an opposing power in the house, he doesn't claim to be Christian and he tempts other people away from herself. There are probably a lot of other reasons, as well. With the Devil being now gone, she freely talks about it. I would be concerned if she sees those traits in someone else. Plus, she doesn't seem to recognize the very traits she attributes to Roddy in herself. This could lead on to other areas..
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Seamonkey | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:37 am     Somehow I don't think Gerry, Josh or Roddy would consider it amusing. And while Amy isn't likely to take offense, it is pretty demeaning for her too. Yes, it is clever, but clever can be negative as H^ll and I find Dani to be a negative force, unfortunately. |
Marameko | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:45 am     I agree Wxv63, a story, and while not using her best judgement, this was simply a story. Oh how I wish BB would give these people something to do to keep them busy or at least not dissin each other.......Dani is big time bored.Did they use the soap making kits ? |
Guinevere | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:49 am     I think it's an insight into how Danielle's mind works. I often wonder how it is that people (and I'm not necessarily excluding myself) can treat others so badly and yet still consider themselves "good". Danielle considered Roddy the enemy because he was her main competition in a game she DESPERATELY wants to win. In order to justify destroying him, first she had to demonize him. They've all done it to varying degrees - to Gerry, to Josh (though he deserved it more than most!), to Amy. Danielle is just a little more, uh, literal, in her demonization. (The above should not be construed as a defense of Danielle, just an observation. I find her "devil" stuff annoying and sometimes, as in the story above, downright creepy.) |
Twiggyish | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:51 am     Good point Guinevere. So, it's her way of justifying her desire to win. |
Spunky | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:56 am     "simply" a story.... what struck me was the length of it and the topic... she could have made it much more lighthearted but it disturbed me more as there was a too close connection with her own fears in the house... Not something I would disregard as a "mere" bed time story... |
Meggieprice | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:58 am     I thought it was a cute and funny story- it's not like this was the first time she portrayed R as the Devil but in this particular context it was all in fun. |
Secretsmile | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 11:01 am     I for one, was glad to have a break from movie trivia! |
Squaredsc | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 11:03 am     i do not take dani's devil comments seriously. i thought the story was very creative and read nothing into it. |
Maryk | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 11:10 am     I would dismiss this as a story but her previous statements don't support that fact. At other occassions, he has called Roddy - untrustworthy because he doesn't believe in God, "rooster+one-born-every-minute" and then says she wants to spit on him, he is a "scum of the earth", and "f this, f that." There are probably other ones that I've missed, since its been going on since he left Thursday. |
Sunrise | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 11:11 am     Danielle said that everyone, including the DR, would think that she's crazy for this behavior. It makes sense that this is an influence from her upbringing. And, btw, Jason was there, but he was asleep in a bed off cam. He woke up after the story and asked what was going on. Danielle couldn't repeat the story and he went to the HOH and immediately turned the light out and went to bed. |
Cameramanbob | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 11:31 am     Bohawkins and Spunky - Thank you so much for posting both of those takes on Dani's story! Both are great reads and totally funny just as printed text. I must say I have no feeds (Woa is me I have no feeds - but even if I could get feeds, then it's Woa is me I have no time to watch feeds! LOL) So I am doubly appreciative of these interesting nuggets and their accompanying controversies. Having no feeds I mused constantly over the heat on this board about Roddy. Soooo puzzling... what are they all going on about... But then CBS finally showed Roddy in the hammock with "Ams" (how dare he call her "Ams" and say, 'Ams - your NOT being hard on yourself - you are taking the EASY way, Ams' - or words to that effect) and he really CREEPED me out! OHHHHH - So THAT'S what everyone is so hot about! Now it's the same with Dani - in print she seems so harmless, but that's what I thot about Rod. So all I'm saying is I can't wait to see what you are all going on about with Danielle! |
Dogdoc | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 11:31 am     I got the same feeling reading Daneille's story that I get from reading Revelations. I am not comfortable with either one. |
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