Archive through September 12, 2002
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Explain to me how Lisa thought that Marci could stay:
Archive through September 12, 2002
Ryn | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:08 pm     Changed the thread title, please try to make thread titles that are not vague - thanks |
Puzzled | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:09 pm     Jason may be in for a surprise, because Amy might win. She overcame the obstacle of being returned and has not stabbed anyone in the back the way Dani and Jason have. Tonight she was very gracious in telling M that whatever he did was o.k. She's been up 5 times and not voted out and that is telling. Ho-ho if she gets to the final two and wins. |
Ark | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:09 pm     I'm not sure that voting Amy out next round is the smart thing to do. When it's down to three, whoever wins HOH gets to pick who to take into the finals with them. Amy has proven that she can win HOH. Lisa has only been HOH once and that was when she was picked as HOH. She's never really won it. |
Cindyluvsroddy | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:15 pm     wendo, i think she wanted to make jason squirm on live TV ... so....that would mean more than just amy Amy - ever think it was exposing him to all the other HG's who have the power of votes in the end of the game??? hmmmm.... also to expose him to Marcy - so marcy knows what Jason planned when he nominated him ... making jason lose Marcy's vote in the end |
C1mag | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:17 pm     No matter how it turns out does everyone realize that Dani and Jason never got nominated this whole game and tonight they proved to be the only alliance that has stayed true to the end always protecting one another? They deserve the right to the finals. Wouldn't be surprised if Dani challenges the voters in the end speech against Jason. She stuck by her man and played her game exactly as she said she would before she entered. She has done something that Jason hasn't done. She watched his back. When he didn't nom Roddy as promised he left her a bit exposed. I don't think Jasons victory is a solid bet but even if it is against her it's time to admit...Without her he would have been toast long ago! The others would have never kept him in the game. He needs to thank her. |
Sheila494 | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:18 pm     in tonights hoh competition julie asked the question that of all the remaining houseguest how many have held the power of veto? lisa and amy said 3 and dani said 4 dani got it right according to julie but i cant recall lisa ever holding pov. does anyone recall if lisa ever held pov? |
Bailey | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:21 pm     Was Lisa in on the plan to vote off Marc if he didn't use the gpov? I only remember hearing Dani and Jason deciding that.. I didn't think Lisa was in on that at all. If she was, I must've missed it. |
Tobor7 | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:23 pm     Yes. She did. She could have used it to save Josh, but didn't. She voted her "heart". |
Bigbrotherbelle | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:24 pm     "does anyone recall if lisa ever held pov? " Lisa had PoV when Chia had HoH and Josh and Roddy were up... remember Josh crying to her to try to get her to use it to save Roddy? |
Sheila494 | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:25 pm     thanks tobor |
Ptomaine | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:27 pm     LISA KNEW DANI & JASON WANTED MARC OUT #1 Lisa knew that Dani and Jason planned to evict Marc. They all discussed this prior to nominations. #2 After POGV, Dani personally approached Lisa telling her that Jason thought that Marc may not use POGV, and if that happens that they will have to vote Marc out. Lisa told Dani that it wouldn't make sense for Marc to not use POGV. Lisa stated in her DR that she threw the POGV because she needed to retain Marc. LISA UNDERESTIMATES JASON Lisa had confided to Dani that she didn't think Jason had the balls to win HOH, and that Jason will always throw HOH. She was immediately proven wrong when Jason did win HOH. When Jason (1st time HOH) needed to make his nominations, Lisa told Dani that Jason won't have the balls to put Roddy up. Jason did not put Roddy up, partially due to friendship, and partially due to Jason having given Roddy his word to not nominate Roddy. Lisa interpreted this as Jason not having enough courage to do the dirty work (Marc also agreed in DR session). When Jason did make his nomination, Dani told Lisa that she (Dani) didn't want to make it hard for Jason by bringing the votes to a tie-breaker. This reinforced Lisa's view that Jason can't make the hard decision. By these observations, Lisa probably thought that Jason would not be able to evict Marc if it came to a tie. She took a risk. But Lisa misread the situation. When the votes were tied, Jason knew that Dani had revealed her cards to Marc, Jason had no choice but to evict Marc. If Jason didn't evict Marc, Jason and Dani would be on the block. Additionaly, Lisa was probably hoping that Amy or herself would win HOH. By not voting with Jason and Dani, Amy would know that Lisa was not with that alliance, and possibly Amy would in turn not nominate Lisa. Did Lisa betrayed Jason and Dani? Yes. Will there be repercussions? Maybe. |
Kuchi | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:28 pm     C1mag: totally agree and have been saying the same myself. Everyone thinks she cant win against Jason but I see her as carrying the two of them to the end---if it plays out that way and that the evicted ones will have to give it to her in the end for her game playing. |
Missy2 | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:31 pm     Didn't Lisa mention to Dani that she was getting sick of Jay? Or he was getting on her nerves? Something like that? I don't know. But Lisa is going this week that's for sure. Did anyone else see the smoke coming off Dani tonight she was working so hard to win that HOH - oh my that was just crazy. I still can't get over it! |
Ptomaine | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:37 pm     Missy2, Yes Lisa did mention to Dani that she was getting sick of Jason. Dani agrees that since Jason has been on PB&J diet, she has seen a different side to Jason. Jason doesn't care who is at F3, either Amy or Lisa. If Dani feels that Lisa had betrayed their alliance, then there might be repercussions. To Dani it is all about loyalty and who you can trust. At this point both Lisa and Amy has betrayed her trust to some extent. |
Eden | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:42 pm     C1mag, as usual, you see the situation so clearly! There were two MAJOR bonehead moves tonight. Marcellas failing to save himself. Lisa, after seeing Marcellas was still on the block, going ahead and voting for Amy! Lisa is completely exposed. Will Danielle and Jason realitate? Ummmm.. YEAH! This is the END game! I don't know that keeping Jason is the smartest move for Danielle, it certainly is the most honorable. Jason owes his very being in the house to Danielle. I don't think he can say the same. She has saved him from nomination more than once. She has worked to cover any of his vulnerabilities. I think the vote against Marcellas tonight elicited real tears from Danielle. This was the only vote that she truly regretted and she did it for Jason and his safety. Lisa will be nominated this week and ousted. She should never have tried to think on her feet, obviously not her best angle. |
Ptomaine | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:48 pm     Eden, Jason also takes the risks in the partnership as well. More on this at a later point. But in short: 1. Jason votes out Eric (Jason could've been on the block) 2. Jason nominates Gerry (veto used, Jason on the block) 3. Jason throws HOH when Amy came back. If Roddy got HOH the following week, Jason on the block. 4. Jason nominates Marcellus. If Marcellus had stayed... yup, Jason is out the door. |
Cameltoes | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:48 pm     Lisa's big mistake was not telling Marcellas that he HAD to use the POV. If she bailed completely on Dani and Jason and exposed them to Marcellas, he would have used the POV and would still be in the house with a good chance of winning that HOH. Dani and Jason wouldn't have even known about it since Marcellas using the POV would not have surprised them. |
Krossd | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:48 pm     Lisa was, or could have been confused diliberately by Dani in who to vote for, or she could have done it on her own... either way. Lisa can still make it - she HAS to remind Jason that Amy will take Dani to the final 2 and not him (if she should win HOH next). Lisa can guarantee she would take Jason if she stayed and won. Either way he is assured to make it to the final 2 WITH her, but not without her. Jason would be smarter to vote Amy out this time, ORD if he has to.. he has been playing stragegy all this way, and he needs to cover his *ass without breaking his word to Dani. Don't count her out yet. She's only out if he votes for her to stay and she doesn't win HOH. (Can't see Dani or Jason not taking each other.) |
Muse | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:59 pm     I agree that Danielle has protected Jason at times. But to be fair, he's also looked out for her. He won HOH twice, and made nominations that worked to both of their advantages (yes, Danielle wanted Roddy up the first time, but she agreed to getting rid of Gerry first). He stayed under the radar up until Eric's eviction, which made it difficult for the other HGs to catch onto their alliance or want to nominate the two of them together (until this week, that is...). Jason also befriended Roddy, Chiara, and Eric while Danielle worked on Marcellas and Amy. I think that if the M/A alliance had gotten the upper hand in the game (as opposed to being nominated together), Jason and Danielle would have sided with the people Jason was "assigned to". And additionally - I think Jason has done a lot of Danielle's dirty work. He took the heat for voting to evict Eric, he won HOH when she didn't want to, he nominated Marcellas, etc. Danielle has done a lot of manipulating and scheming, but this is the first time she's really had to step up to the plate. It's about time, too. She owes him. He would've have been a target for Marcellas if he hadn't done what was best for Dani, IMO. Anyway, that being said, I think they both played a great game. I hope they make the final two, since I'd be okay with either one winning. Btw - Danielle's biggest mistake, obviously, is badmouthing the HGs in the DR and after their eviction. She typically gives nice good-bye messages, but other than that...she's slipped up big time. I really don't understand it, since she's *so* good at manipulating people to their faces. As for Lisa - her vote for Amy could be her undoing. Of course, she was only destined for third place if she had voted for Marcellas, so maybe she thought it was worth the risk. If she manages to sneak through this week, she still has a good shot of making the final two. And we *know* she'd have Marcellas' vote in that case. |
Tab | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:20 pm     Dani just threw the game like she did all those competitions. What was she thinking? The only person she had a chance to beat was Marcella. Lisa told her earlier that Dani's diary entries must not be so bad because Dani did win AC. Maybe Dani thought her bad mouth wasn't being aired? |
Charlesfk | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:23 pm     I'm with Cameltoes. Why would Marcellus would vote for Lisa. She knew that Dani and Jay wanted him out. She should have make him realized that he NEEDED to use the GPOV. She didn't say nothing. |
Misslibra | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:26 pm     Lisa was, or could have been confused diliberately by Dani in who to vote for, or she could have done it on her own... either way. Lisa can still make it... I agree with this comment. Also after the show tonight on live feeds, Dani told Lisa she was hoping when they both passed each other to vote, that they could of did some sign language to each other so that they could be on the same page voting. I think it will be chalked up as they didn't communicate enough with each other to be on the same page. But It could of also been deliberate on Dani's part. And the way she's been playing this game that is very possible. But as far as Lisa voting for Marcel, I remember it being discussed between Dani, Lisa and Jason that if it's a tie it would be good TV. I think Jason was the one who said it, and he was right. So I doubt Lisa voting for Marcel will make any difference in Dani's or Jason's mind. I think they will keep Lisa in the house just like they said they would, because if they get libations this week by the time they get ready to evicted Amy or Lisa, Amy will be in the hot seat with everyone. Of course that is if Dani nominates Amy or Lisa. I don't see her nominating Jason. Don't count Lisa out yet she's still in the game! |
Misslibra | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:28 pm     Lisa couldn't say anything, because she didn't know if she could trust Marcellas enough not to go back and tell Danielle what Lisa said. So I clearly can understand why Lisa didn't warn Marcellas. It just wasn't a smart move on Marcellas part not to use it. That is his fault not Lisa's. |
Annitar | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:29 pm     I think Dani and Jason have both done right by each other in the end. Jason not nominating Roddy did leave Dani vunerable... however I gained so much respect for Dani when that all went down. She could have totally beat Jason over the head with that fact when he told her of his decision but she didn't. In the end she told him it was his decision and walked out of that HOH room! I think that is the big difference in the way Roddy played the game and the way Danielle is playing it. Danielle has never tried to make any of those guys feel like crap over their decisions in playing the game. Roddy constantly beat people up for playing the game and Dani always understood it was a game and it had to be played. I actually think that is the reason they are NOT going to hold it over Lisa's head too much for voting to keep Amy. They realize she was playing the game. I think it's fair to say that Amy will go next. I may be wrong, but I don't see Jason saving Amy over Lisa. He still takes Amy being evicted once into consideration a lot. I think that will be the determining factor in the next evicition as well. |
Misslibra | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:32 pm     Annitar said> I actually think that is the reason they are NOT going to hold it over Lisa's head too much for voting to keep Amy. They realize she was playing the game. I think it's fair to say that Amy will go next. I may be wrong, but I don't see Jason saving Amy over Lisa. He still takes Amy being evicted once into consideration a lot. I think that will be the determining factor in the next evicition as well. Annitar, that is what I'm thinking to. |
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