Danielle playing a "Will" or doesn't have what it takes?
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Danielle playing a "Will" or doesn't have what it takes?
C1mag | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:28 pm     Lovely I agree... Dani hasn't went after hoh cause she knows everyone so far has her back. It's brilliant! Too many are going off on the devil comment. She has made it clear.. In this game Roddy was soo slick and deceptive when playing people he would be like the devil. Too many are taking it literal! She has also made it clear that outside of the game he is a great guy. I think she has done a great job watching her back and controling the votes. Unfortunately the former housguests will penalize her for playing the game so hard. It's like I said, it will take about a year for them to realize that it was just a game and she played it the hardest. It still makes me laugh that name calling would be a concern of any of them when they all sat around and let Josh trash Gerry and his family to his face and laughed right along with it. Boy when some people take a fall the finger pointing always starts. |
Redgirl30 | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:31 pm     DFWTEDDY....Well sometimes might not be strong enough word!! His being so mean and bashing Amy just seemed to be so much more in the spotlight because they claimed to be such great friends, and "love" each other etc....He trashed Gerry so bad the week that Gerry was evicted, and even avoiding him....still of all the hGs left in the house Danielle takes the prize for bashing on other HGs! Are there any remaining HGs that you think Dani can beat in the jury vote??? |
Nemesis | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:39 pm     Crazydog, are we talking about the same Will? All he did is pretent, remember the whole Nicole thing? At one point you would have thought Will and Hardy were best of friends! Oh the memories! About the "Devil" thing. I have never heard Dani call Roddy the Devil without referencing the GAME. She always has said it with a somewhat laughing tone or very serious game face. I would think that Roddy would consider it a compliment that someone thought he was such a great player of the GAME? In the same breath Dani calls him the Devil she compliments him on how smart he is and how he is one of the finest human beings she's ever met! I call my husband worse things when we are playing cards!! |
Nemesis | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:43 pm     Crazydog, are we talking about the same Will? All he did is pretent, remember the whole Nicole thing? At one point you would have thought Will and Hardy were best of friends! Oh the memories! About the "Devil" thing. I have never heard Dani call Roddy the Devil without referencing the GAME. She always has said it with a somewhat laughing tone or very serious game face. I would think that Roddy would consider it a compliment that someone thought he was such a great player of the GAME? In the same breath Dani calls him the Devil she compliments him on how smart he is and how he is one of the finest human beings she's ever met! I call my husband worse things when we are playing cards!! |
Nemesis | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:44 pm     oops. boy I musta wanted yall to read that! Help Mods! |
Tabbyking | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:48 pm     i think danielle is using the others more than will did lsat year to get where she is. she has been very good at manipulating them into making the moves she would...without her being the bad guy. i don't care much for danielle, but i can't say she isn't playing an 'oh my heck' of a game. if she wins, it's the other players' faults! if will had been up against a jason, jason would most likely have won. being up against nicole? chiara or joshy would even win! |
Tabbyking | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:49 pm     whoops! 'lsat'?? can you tell i am helping my son fill out his college and testing applications!? |
Shakes | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:52 pm     Everyone on BB2 heard everything Will said in the DR and not one of them denied him a vote because of it. Why? Because Will never led any of them to believe he was anyone else but that guy in the DR. As I recall, Will never led a group bash session either. Danielle, on the other hand, has bashed her way right out of 500K. |
C1mag | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 01:02 pm     Shakes... You are forgetting the Nicole factor as to why Will won. She was a loon! It's already been pointed out that someone like Josh could have beat her in the end. Thats the real reason Will won the game. Don't think that they weren't disgusted by his comments, but unfortunately she was just repulsive and pathetic. You are forgetting it really was Kents call and that is how Will won the game. At the time he was a sore loser. Sherry allowed Kent to tell her who to vote for. Kent was getting even with Nicole and Hardy by giving his vote to Will. Ask him now what he thinks of Will and it's funny. He trashes him to the ground yet to get even he handed him half a million. Last years group were a bunch of idiots and sore losers. The same thing is about to take place. By the way I really think Dani is getting a much harder rap about bashing than she deserves. Like I've mentioned... That house all sat back and let Josh rip into Gerry and his family in the beginning and said nothing and now all of a sudden bashing is the reason to deny the best player the money. It's a childs approach. If they couldn't have the money then the person that helped to get them out shouldn't get the money either. Even if they are the better player. It's grasping at straws. She'd still walk away with a ton of money and bragging rights that she beat them all to the finish line. They all talked about one another behind their backs. |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 01:27 pm     Will may have acted like he was their friend, but I interpreted that as making the most of the situation. He is stuck in the house with people, I saw him as being cordial. I did not see him going around telling people that he would watch out for them and then stab them in the back. Danielle told Chiara that she had her back but then went around and told her allies to vote out Chiara. She told Roddy she would ally with him and then voted him out. She is trying to get Marc not to use the Veto so she can vote him out. There's a big difference between her and Will. I also don't recall that Kent had so much influence as to singlehandedly determine that Will would be the winner. I don't remember him telling Sheryl how to vote. All I remember is him trying to make himself look like the moral pillar by saying something about September 11 and looking like a pompous a$$ by saying something about how trying to decide between them was like choosing between a wart or an ingrown nail. Bottom line is that Will won because he was up against a player many people felt was conniving and backstabbing. The same will happen for whoever goes up against Danielle. |
Bigd | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 01:28 pm     The problem with the Dani - Will comparison is that Dani has been so busy looking out for #1, she didn't realize she stepped in #2.....that would NEVER happen to Will. |
C1mag | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 01:43 pm     Dani NEVER told any of Chiaras "allies" to vote her out. Dani ended up voting to keep her in the game as promised. Her goal was not too evict Chiara it was too evict Roddy at the time. There is nothing wrong in that game play. Unfortunately, Amy forced her to keep her word and go after Chiara in the end. Uh, by the way, Chiara had support only from one person and she was up against that person. Chiara had no other allies in that house at that time. Dani NEVER told Roddy she would form an alliance with him. Not once. She said she would think about it. She NEVER promised she wouldn't vote to evict him. She only pormised one time she would not nominate him. She never did! Dani has not once said to Marc NOT to use the veto. She is letting him decide and if she supports not using it and he buys that and then he gets evicted and that was her goal then BRAVO to her she nailed another one and never bullied or forced them into doing anything they didn't want to do. If this is her current goal then he wasn't paying attention. Wow are you over playing Dani! Kent did in fact spear head a campaign to make sure Nicole wouldn't win and the best revenge would be to give it to Will. Well before the jury vote Sherry was asked who she would give the money too and she said before she made a choice she would have to talk to Kent. If he didn't have any influence why in hell would she have said that? His vote was NOT based on the best player it was based on being a sore loser. All of his campaigning was done before he appeared on the final show. As I said you are REALLY over playing Dani in this game as the villian. She has outplayed them all so far. It's going to be votes based on hurt feelings and jealousy that they didn't get to the end. The excuse that she trashed talked her way too the finals is pathetic. They all did it! |
C1mag | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 01:51 pm     Will would never step in number #2? Hahahaha Oh please! He did every second he opened his mouth! Thats the reason Nicole and Hardy kept him as the decoy! He was suppose to go at a certain point because of stepping in all that poo! His victory was a fluke. He never structured a plan that would get him the prize. Had Nicole kept her hand on that Key William the classic poo stepper was going home! It was all pure dumb luck and some sore losers voting in the end. The man was so convinced he had lost the top prize even after making the finals that he gave this pathetic in your face speech trying to tell them all off in advance! He had no idea that the others hated Nicole so much that even someone like Josh could have beat her. Lets not deify Will cause his victory is so tainted it isn't funny! Poor Dani is getting way too hard of a rap for playing this game out! She needs to be proud of the fact that at least she stepped it up and beat them all so far. |
Nemesis | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 01:53 pm     Bigd, the #2 line was so funny! Crazydog, how true your statement of Kents moral pillering is! Did any of yall watch the mole> is the guy who won it some uncontrollabe liar? a back stabber? a theif? It's the name of the GAME to be the last one's in the house... Whatever mean possible..... IMHO, some of us are just as bad/good as the HG's. We think one thing of them now, and as soon as the GAME is over, we will have different opinions on who they are and how they played the GAME. As we sit and watch them hemmed up in a little house we critize their words and actions, yet when the game is over we all will be saying how great the WINNER played the game, never ever to see or hear from most of them again. |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 01:53 pm     OK let me try again without using "she" so I am clearer. LOL. I didn't mean that Danielle told Chiara's allies to vote Chiara out, I meant that Danielle told Danielle's allies to vote Chiara out. Danielle told Chiara that Danielle had Chiara's back. But then Danielle went ahead and had Jason and Lisa vote out Chiara. Danielle wanted to ensure that Chiara knew that Danielle was looking out for Chiara with the one vote while at the same time making sure Danielle got Danielle's way. I saw Roddy tell Danielle he wanted to work together with her if he stayed in the game and Danielle told him she was going to hold him to that. That says to me that she agreed to work with him, but you can interpret that differently. Danielle is trying to convince Marc that he does not need to use the veto because everyone is going to vote out Amy. She is telling him he is absolutely safe. She is trying to do this so he is still on the block and then she and her allies will arrange for his eviction. She is preying on his trust of her. If that's not being deceitful and backstabbing I don't know what is. I do not feel I am overplaying Danielle as the villain. I think it's pretty clear cut that she is the villain. Look at the CBS polls, her popularity has enormously tanked in recent weeks. I don't think they are going to vote against her based on jealousy, I think they are going to vote against her because she is two faced. |
C1mag | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 02:01 pm     I would never use CBS polls as a counter of her popularity. The game is structured so that you can lie and backstab. The challenge is to reward the best player. It's a challenge to the loser to over look hurt feelings. I agree that in the end they will dock her for it, but the truth is she played it the best. She's still in the house and they are not. I still disagree with your feelings about her control on the Chiara vote and the Roddy conversation. It's a take on appreciating her game play or hating her for the way she plays so we will see it differently which is cool. In the end we both agree that they will most likely not give her the money but as I said, she still walks away as one of the winners with a whole lot more money then some crybaby who crys foul cause she said some mean things and might have lied. I'd lie real fast if it were in the rules for at least 60,000 smackers. Knock me all you want I've got the cash and all you had was a waisted summer with next to no money! |
Nemesis | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 02:02 pm     All I have to say is if Marcellas does anything on anybody's word in that house than "boo on Marci".. He knew when he signed up for the game the end goal is to be one of the last two. You can't blame anyone for PLAYING THE GAME and if you're in that house NOT PLAYING THE GAME, then you are foolish... |
C1mag | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 02:03 pm     Amen Nemesis!! |
Cmore | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 02:07 pm     Comparing Will and Dani is about exactly the same as comparing Will and Nicole. Will the light hearted comedian and Dani/Nicole the heavy, B**chy, backstabbing, I hate everyone personality. Remember that Nicole made it to the end too, so she played a decent game, but people like her and Dani, just don't have the attitude/grey matter to win, nor do they deserve the "big" money. |
Nemesis | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 02:07 pm     Hey C1, if we both get chosen to go into the BB4 house, how about setting up an alliance with me now. I promise never to vote you out...never never never....hehehehehe.. |
C1mag | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 02:10 pm     Nem I'll take that!! And of coarse I swear on my parents grave that I will honor that... Side note: My parents aren't dead |
Nemesis | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 02:12 pm     I love my family, I have 6 siblings, but you know, If I was hemmed up in a house with them, no entertainment to speak of, no outside news, have to compete for food and luxuries, and such, I'd be talking all kinda smack about them. I'd be trying to do whatever it took to get my oldest sister outa the house, she would drive me nuts. My Mama might not even be safe....shew..did I just say that about my Mama??... . We all have to take what is happening in that house in perspective... |
Bigd | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 02:24 pm     Well to clarify my point, C1mag, when I refer to #2 I think in metaphorical terms, in that I mean Jason is the pile of #2 she has stepped in. She was smart (in looking out for herself) to make a strong alliance with Jason (the likeable one), without realizing there is no way she can beat him in the jury vote, thus stepping in a big ole pile of #2. Not that I think Jason is #2 (pooh), I don't, It was just a manner of speaking. I think Dani has played well, and I would vote Amy first (but we know that won't happen) and Dani next. She has played hard, but not as well as Will. Will did a good job of fooling everyone and that was his plan all along, and apparently you are still fooled by Will, the ulimate player, IMHO. I will also be applying for the next Big Brother, and may the best of us two win. Lot's of luck! I'll be glad to take you to the final with me. The way you'll know it's me is I'll be saying "mornin glory" every morning, so you'll all know it's me. |
Eden | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 02:27 pm     Danielle is the best player. I haven't seen her manipulating so much as leading. I've never seen her demand an action of anyone. People talk about the other HGs as if they are automatons. They DO have brains of their own. The fact is, they spent most of the game not using them but relying on the strategic thinking of Danielle to get them to this end game. If Jason is in trouble now because his strategy of being "Mr Nice Guy" is backfiring at the finish, so be it! That was Jason's game not Danielle's. I agree with CMag about the HG bashing. The evicted HGs need to realize this is a game. They lost. Have the guts to give the glory to the person who played the best game. If Danielle is one of the final two, she should win. |
Wendo | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 02:46 pm     C1mag, I agree about your comments re: everyone joining in and allowing the trash talking when Josh was calling Gerry the Nazi and criticizing his family. There were many times that Eric, Lisa, Chi and Roddy laughed right along with that. That they are now claiming hurt feelings in light of the latter, well, imo, it's sour grapes that they were evicted. And, I agree re: Dani too. She's supposed to lie, backstab, and the like. You don't get to the end without doing it. (ie: Jason and the Eric/Lisa vote.) That the evicted HG's are likely going to penalize her for doing what the game requires, well, again, sour grapes. They should've played better. Period. (Most of them came in there thinking it was MTV Beach House. How wrong they were. Only Ja and Dani seemed to understand they were there to play a game.) Regarding the Will/Dani comparison, you can't compare the two. Will had no strategy, Dani has all along. And, like C1mag said, some of Will's DR's were awful. He was terrible to the HG's. I remember the countless negative Will threads last year. Anyway, long story longer, Dani is likely not going to win. And, imo, it's a shame because she really has, up to this point, played better than everyone else. But, hurt feelings, emotion, and bitterness will more than likely keep her from winning first place. |
Kristylovesbb | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 02:50 pm     I do not want Dani to win because of her bullying and intimidation tactics. She has told everyone in the house they had better not nom. her because if they do they will see the real Dani and the devil she is. She also told them she will get ghetto and put them all through hell. She also told them much earlier that they had better not evict Marci or she would show her a*%. I can't believe she allowed to get away with this and believe she has not been nom. because of this. I do not think it is fair and I do not think she should win because of it. |
Marvez | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 03:15 pm     Wendo, I agree that Dani's lies, strategizing, and the like are the game....but so is the DR portion of the "show." If she was smart, she wouldn't have needed to start the whole "one down, 11 to go" remarks OR call Roddy a Devil. If she had kept to saying he was a threat, as opposed to making little horns on her head in reference to him--THEN the jury might still vote for her. As she's played it, she seems phoney everytime she's in the main part of the house. Dumb move. Didn't she think about the jury? That is the game. As it is, she has a very good chance of walking with 50G--not a bad summer paycheck--but I can see why former HGs wouldn't give her a vote. She played well, but in a mean-spirited fashion--whereas Jason and Lisa, for instance, kept their mean opinions to a minimum. JMHO |
C1mag | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 03:16 pm     Kristy name one contestant that has avoided nominating Dani because of some bully tactic? Once again waaay too much over play on Dani. My God, if they could put up with Josh bouncing off the walls while nominated they could handle her. She has made these comments if someone puts her up that has said they wouldn't. You and I would react the same way. If they did it out of the blue they better have a good damn reason behind it. Thats what she meant. Dang why are people taking her comments as literal? |
Wendo | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 03:31 pm     Kristy, who has she bullied? I think some are giving Dani more credit than she deserves. In addition, if they chose not to nominate her, how is that her fault? Marvez said, "As she's played it, she seems phoney everytime she's in the main part of the house." Go read her bio Marvez. She said she planned on being phoney. If they fall for it, is it her fault? She's playing exactly the way she said she intended to play. As far as Jason and Lisa having little mean opinions. I disagree. They had no problem joking along with Josh and his Nazi comments. Lisa called Gerry a pedophile for, imo you can't get more mean spirited than that. They've all participated at one time or another in the trashing of HG's. None of the HG's (including the evicted ones) have clean hands. That's just how I see it. The others in the house are adults. They've allowed themselves to be played and outwitted. It's not Dani's fault that they didn't play the game very well. |
Cmore | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 04:00 pm     C1mag wrote: "Kristy name one contestant that has avoided nominating Dani because of some bully tactic?" Ummmm Did she not go to jason and say " don't put me up" on more than one occasion this week? She didn't "ask" him not to, she "told" him not to. Sounds pretty much like a bully tactic to me. |
Wendo | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 04:06 pm     Cmore, when I heard her say this to Jason, it sounded like she asked him. (Can't say about other times.) (Everyone has their own interpretation though. LOL!) And, I heard her say "Please, don't put me up." |
Niceguy | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 09:46 am     This has been mentioned before I'm sure but I think Will is the better player of the two by being able to be up on the block and sliding by eviction. One thing that isn't mentioned too much around here is BB2's riotous first week. Sheryl's and Justin's leaving created such a huge void. That helped Will out as well. The game's still on and BB hasn't unleashed the final twist yet. It would be too much to hope for a balancing beam endurance for Danielle. Staying tuned. |
Gina8642 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:11 am     I haven't read much of this thread yet, but I don't think Dani is much like Will. Will was very unpopular early, and it wasn't until the end of the game that his popularity picked up. Dani is the exact opposite. People thought a lot of her at the beginning, but slowly but surely the majority have turned against her for one reason or the other. Amy is closer to Will than Dani (or any other BB3 HGs), but even that one, doesn't fit well. I love Amy, but she isn't nearly as charming as Will was. I think that, just like with Survivor, every BB winner will be unique and win with a unique strategy. It doesn't help us to look for 'The New Will' when trying to determine the winner. |
Yuhuru | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 04:16 pm     there's a slight difference why Dani and WIll both threw competition. Will was vulnerable because of his chill town alliance. He couldn't when challenges in order to appear less of a threat so that they would keep him around till the end. I think Josh was trying to do the same. Dani seems a little more agressive. She doesn't want to win because she doesn't want to become the executioner thus drawing attention to herself and possibly reaping someone's revenge. She and Will are really very different. I believe she's a much better game player. Nicole's breakdown really helped will out a lot. Also I think Will would have been fine not winning where I think Dani will be upset. She's really worked her butt off to win this thing. It'll be interested to see if she can pull it off. If she makes final 2, she'll need one heck of a speech. |
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