Archive through September 15, 2002
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Does Dani Have Any Chance at first place?:
Archive through September 15, 2002
Adrian | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:52 am     "So the question still remains... Do you think she has a chance at first place?" As of early this morning = NO But once Jason goes out of the house & do the explaining for her = YES j/k Back to my original answer , she is up against all odds! 1st place, no! Feeling co-winner (Jason winning it), yes. |
Tobor7 | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:57 am     No way. Take that to the bank. |
Bbholden | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:03 am     I'm a bit curious when it's stated that the HGs are not the way we see them on the LFs. Then who are we seeing if it's not them? IOW, I might believe that they are playing a role if it were not for the LFs. I might believe they are not themselves when on TV. But no one, not even a really good method actor can maintain a character 24/7. We see them in the morning, noon, night, sleeping, eating, bathing, and numerous other things. It's just not possible to not be yourself under these circumstances. They are who we see them as. If we see them as petty and foolish and evil, then although it may be exaggerated due to the game, it is still coming from inside them. What we see is what they are... exaggerated, but still the true them.. IMHO |
C1mag | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:03 am     It's interesting what she is saying right now. She will challenge the jury based on the game. If they take it personal then she still loves them. Her goal was to get to the end for her family so just getting there is her victory. I still think it is going to be interesting what she would say to them if she gets there. The idea of nailing her based on bashing is interesting to me because they'd have to concede they all did it as well. Marcellus especially. He may not like that she ended up voting to evict him but he pretty much did the same to Roddy. As I listen to her right now it's just interesting. She's being pretty hard on herself but admits to it which works. It also sends a message to lisa that if Lisa gets that last hoh she may want to take dani to the finals cause Dani herself thinks she has blown it. I sorta wonder if that is what Dani is up too right now. I wish her the best of luck and hope she gets to that final round. |
Dagny | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:05 am     C1mag...NO...Dani can't win against any of them. JMO (And it has nothing to do with Roddy) |
C1mag | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:08 am     Dag as I said when I started the thread I think she probably won't win against any of them either. Not just because of the Roddy factor. However, thats for right now. Who knows what could happen with a final speech by her. For now though I'd say she won't get the top money but second prize and bragging rights that you went the distance isn't too bad. |
Dagny | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:10 am     She is playing for her family...on the other hand she keeps telling them how "this is the first time she has been selfish" You can read the whole "not taking my family to the cast party" or the "disneyland trip" She has countless times said how she "missed" her teenage years...and she is making up for it.. IMO if I was HG I would have a hard time figuring out...is this for her family...or has this been a self journey.. ??? Which is it?? I am confused.. |
Dagny | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:15 am     C1mag...I really don't know what kind of bragging rights she is going to have...once the jury is done with her. I have a feeling they will be harsh. I have a feeling they will run her into the ground... JMO. Dani will be a shell of the person she was when she entered the house. I think Dani will suffer greatly (personally) from playing this game. Which is sad... but I can just imagine how bad the jury is going to treat her. |
Dagny | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:21 am     C1mag...pray for Jason to vote out Lisa... That would give Dani her biggest chance of winning .. Amy Vs. Dani. |
Tobor7 | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:34 am     Although Dani has been working on her finals speech for 2 months now I don't think it will work. She is not a good enough speaker to convince them. Certainly not against Jason or Lisa. And Amy will come across as so genuine that Dani will seem petty and greedy. Greed is never rewarded. Unless she has been hiding a PHD in her back pocket, she just can't pull it off. And if Roddy or Marci asks the 1st question--- then she is sunk. They will push her emotional buttons and she won't recover from it. Roddy will have a question w/comments that he has been working on for weeks! There will be no correct answer for the stuff he will throw. (Boy will it be fun to watch!) |
C1mag | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 02:05 am     Dag I guess that I don't see the things that she has done as being so harsh that they will be able to pulverize her on it. Asking her why she broke any promise or lied is asking her to aknowledge that she simply played the game and made a game move to get closer to her goal. It wasn't to their benefit because they got evicted but she wasn't playing for them. It resulted in her being in the finals and them sitting in the losers circle. Ya can't fault her for that. It would be useless to point a finger at any fellow contestant and accuse them of trash talking behind the others backs. They all engaged in it. Trash talking is trash talking whether you were compulsive about it or not. It would be insulting to ask anyone in the finals to appologize for evicting someone even if they had to lie to that person. You are allowed both of those things. The only promise she had to keep was to be true to herself and no one else. Thats something that an emotional voter on the Jury may need to be reminded of and also the fact that she would be in the finals and they are not. With the exception of Lori they all attempted to find the path to victory through deciete at some point so calling her on it would be useless. Tobor I'm not saying she could pull out a victory by a speech but Dani has just as much ability to be sincere in her responses as well. I'm a bit confused as to how she would feel emotionally pushed to the point of no return if someone confronts her on any issue. Especially Roddy. Whats he gonna say to her? Why did you target me? Why did you call me a devil? That will only help her case. She will explain both based on game play and the fact that the term devil was not literal. She could point out that Marcellus and the others agreed that in context Roddy did appear as the devil when it came to his charm, intellect and the ability to decieve based on those traits. They would all have to nod that they had agreed with her. Throwing her out some twisted riddle is just grandstanding on his part and may make him look worse than her. Like I said, I'm confused how ANY former hg could rattle one of the finalists to the point of making them emotionally lose it. I think only Amy would be a victim of that type of stuff. Roddy did a brilliant job making her mind jelly. However, Dani is not Amy. By the way you might be very surprised by what Dani is gonna say and how she presents it. She let it slip she did take some special class in pursuasive speech recently. She pointed this out to Marcellus so don't rule out her ability to verbalize herself properly. One thing is for sure... She won't be intimidated by anything Roddy throws out nor will she crumble under any preassure. Then again, the camera's will be rolling and Roddy may not want to look like a mean guy. We shall see. There has to be a concession by the jury... In the end, no matter how they got there, the final two deserve to be sitting there and they are owed that much respect. |
Cameltoes | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:00 am     I don't think she has a chance. Even removing the Roddy factor, many of the HG's evicted before Roddy clearly stated they wouldn't vote for her. I think Roddy's main influence would be in swinging the vote pro-Lisa if she was up against Jason. I would vote for Dani as I think she has played inside the house exceptionally well. Unfortunately, where she has screwed up is the aspect that both Jason and Lisa have played well - playing up to the jury. Lisa has been playing the endgame very hard for the past few weeks. Her DR's are markedly different and we know she's a good actress. So, if Dani doesn't win I wouldn't exactly feel sorry for her. She's perfectly capable of being phony in the house so why not extend that to the DR? I will never understand her reasoning (or lack thereof). I think the jury will concede that she played well and deserves her spot. However, they can all easily argue that DR sessions and such are also part of the game and say that she failed in that aspect. Some of them would be hypocritical to call her out on the bashing but they will do it anyway. |
C1mag | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:12 am     Camel it's interesting what you have said about the dr sessions. I agree that she probably won't win but what do you think about the fact that Dani is the only one going in the dr and admitting she is lying and then explaining it out? I just think that trying to over play the jury by sucking up may be just as negative for someone. It would be very tough to include your dr sessions as a form of strategy. Do the jury members have access to the complete sessions or just what we see on tv? That would be interesting to know because if that is the case and the evicted are only watching the tv dr sessions then she comes off pretty good with admitting to the truth. You can't fault her for being honest in those sessions. That is in strict contrast to Roddys admission to Chiara that he lied in his dr sessions. It's unfortunate but I agree they will villify her actions on issues that they have all been a part of and really don't think any decision will be based on dr sessions. |
Cameltoes | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:25 am     As a viewer, I like that she is honest in the DR. But, thinking from the POV of the other houseguests, I think sucking up is the way to go. Roddy was idiotic to actually tell them that's what he was doing. I think the only way being phony in the DR would hurt someone is if the DR niceness was contrasted against very different behavior in the house. I use the phrase DR as a catchall - I'm thinking of the DR's along with the footage where she talks about the other HG's - basically anything they would not have been aware of while in the house and anything they can find out by surfing online. I don't think they see anything besides what is shown on TV (I don't think there would be a fair way to give each jury member equal access given the time constraints) and what they find out by going online. I think it's the surprise factor that really hurts Dani. No one leaving the house last year would have been surprised by anything Will said in the DR or behind their backs. With Dani, they seemed to have thought highly enough of her in the house to be truly surprised at what they saw. They will definitely not take into account their own actions. Several of them seem to be in denial about anything they did as it is. |
Amy | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:54 am     I don't think Danielle has a chance to win. As I see it there is one fundamental difference between Survivor and Big Brother and that is in Survivor "playing" the game is a huge factor in the Jury decision but on Big Brother who you are, your actions, and what you said while in the house, not "playing" the game, matter more to the jury. Either way I don't see Danielle making it, there are just too many obstacles for her to overcome, and she made those herself. |
Grannygrunt | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 04:39 am     Just one thing to remember. All of the interviews were/are done immediately after the HG is evicted. Sure, there are sour grapes in that moment. But we all know that after a while those things that mad us angry seem to fade. Once you get out and look at things, sometimes things look different. When you are on the inside things are magnified and once you get out, they don't seem to be quiet so bad. So a lot of the HG's have had time to do something besides dwell on being evicted and what a certain HG did or didn't do. I think by the time voting comes around, several of them will not be as bitter about things as they once were. It would be interesting to see interviews with the evicted HG the last week of BB and see if they are still as angry as they were the night they left. Not saying Dani will or will not win. Just that "times heals all wounds." |
Floresmama | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 04:43 am     I don't really think Danielle has a chance of winning. But I would have bet money against Richard Hatch too. There are alot of unknown factors the speeches to the jury and the Q&As. Who knows Danie might pull out a miracle. I still think as I have said all along she will be happy with 50K which I think she has a lock on at the moment. |
Blossumtree | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:02 am     if "playing the game" didn't matter then Will would never have won last year. he said some really harsh things about everyone but, in the end, they decided he played a helluva game and gave him the money. of course it helped that he was up against nicole, who turned out to be such a basket case. dani's only chance is that the jury will do the same thing and put their personal feelings aside and consider that she worked this game hard and remained true to jason throughout, and that he basically just rode her coat-tails all summer. i'm not really a fan of dani but i don't think jason deserves the grand prize for letting dani be his foster mom for the summer. |
Woodpecke® | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:00 am     Odds to win Big Brother 3: Danielle: 3-1 Jason: 4-5 Lisa: Even |
Alaginger | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:41 am     I think if Jason wins the challenge and selects Danielle to be by his side, that he will speak to the jury in his favor for the $500K. But, I will not be the least bit surprised if Danielle wins the challenge and selects Jason to be by her side, if Jason speaks to the jury in terms of I think Danielle deserves your vote for the $500K. |
Gina8642 | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 06:44 am     Personally I don't thin Dani can win at this point. Does she have a chance? Of course she does, just because I know how I would vote doesn't mean I can figure out exactly how the evicted HGs will vote. I don't think many of them would, but I don't know that. Sure, Dani has a chance of winning the whole thing. |
What555456 | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:11 am     Dani will win. The evidence of who broguht she and Jason to the final 2 will be so overwhelming that it will be hard for anyone to deny her the victory. The separation of time and place will have cleared the evictee's minds and emotions enough that they will see the justice in giving it to her. As far as Roddy having any sway? Don't bet on it. If they have watched the tapes, they will have seen his actions for what they were. The evictees are going to be people with very different mindsets than they had when they were i the house. They will have seen a lot more than they had seen, they will have talked to a lot more people and have gotten a lot more input. To assume they will act in a certain way based on how they acted in the house denies the impact being cooped up in that house has on people. Dani will win simply because she deserves to and they will see that. |
Bmh | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:30 am     I think Dani's chances of winning are very slim to none..but I think her actually bringing Jason to the final 2 will open a few jurors eyes..seeing and knowing that Dani brought Jason even though..she knows he will be extremely hard to beat..she was loyal to him through it all..and that might play a factor in the voting.. if Dani makes the final 2..I just hope she at least gets 3 or 4 votes...cuz I would hate to see it be unamious against her or only Jason voting for her if he doens't make the final 2..that would be awful..and a complete embarrassment to her..but I have a feeling the devil has already rallied his troops and has both guns loaded and aimed right for Dani during finale night..I wish you luck Dani..you are gonna need it |
What555456 | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:38 am     To all who think Dani has little chance to win..... Expect the unexpected. |
Cousin_Jake | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:56 am     If Dani wins the final HOH and brings Jason with her to the final two she may get a couple of votes for her loyalty to him because at this point she must know she can't beat him. Also, many people seem to discount Jason's contributions to this alliance. He won HOH twice and had to make difficult decisions. The most recent being having to evict Marcellas on air, face to face. Those were two weeks when Dani could relax and know she was safe and still play the game with others behind the scene. Dani's best chance of winning would be against Amy and I think she knows that (they all do) but from the discussions on the feeds the plan is to keep Lisa. I don't quite understand their logic here as they have a better chance against Amy than Lisa. |
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