Luxury Competition (9-12-02) Discussion Here
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Luxury Competition (9-12-02) Discussion Here
Azriel | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 09:23 am     Chichi, Amy's father was in her chatroom at her fansite right before the luxury challenge. He was not flown out and he was told to be there because a film crew was coming by at 10pm to film something for the show. He didn't know what it was all about, but when he left the chatroom he told us that he had a phone call from out west so he had to go. |
Zachsmom | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 09:29 am     Crazydog..phone call and 10,000 smackaroos..I'd say that is a nice reward!! |
Crazydog | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 09:34 am     Right, I didn't realize there was money involved until Guiltyviewer answered a question in the Q&A thread. I hope Amy has shot herself in the foot with this and that the others will view her as being "rewarded" enough. It's time for her to go. She is arguably the worst player of the 12 (the only one she compares to is Tonya) and doesn't deserve even the chance to win HoH and get more money. I want Lisa to stay! |
Allietex | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:03 am     Some people say Amy is still in the game because of luck. Oh really? Let's look at what she has done. She has made some critical decisions in the house that have made a great impact on the outcome. People who think she is not playing the game forget she saved herself against Roddy. She has won HOH and POV, and has been competetive in several of them. Dani has not won HOH until this week and everyone talks about how hard she is playing because she lets everyone else take the heat. Why is it great strategy for Dani but just dumb luck for Amy. And she is the only one so far who has assured herself of any money. Looks to me like she has been the most successful player so far. She did not make the rules, she is only playing by them. If any of them had been in her shoes, they would have come back into the house and expected to be given the same chance to win as the rest of them. And if they really felt that she should not be in the house they would have voted her out the first chance they had. That is only an excuse to be pulled out when they decide she is no longer of any use. Why does she not deserve to be there just like the rest of them. Eveyone plays the game diffently. Her style was to make herself less a threat than anyone else in the house, so she is always nominated but not voted out. Whether or not it was a planned strategy or something she just fell into, it has worked. And she has recieved more than her share of ill-treatment than anyone in the house, even Gerry. She has been critized, riciculed, put down, and ignored as being of no importance and all of this to her face. And much of the critizism is for things that they do just as much as she does. The others talk openly in front of her about how they should not have been nominated but never show any concern that she also has been nominated. Amy has been their virtual punching bag. I think if anyone has earned a chance at the money it has been Amy. If I was on the jury, her winning the money would just make me think "Wow! she is playing the game after all and is as worthy of winning the big one as any of the others," then I would make my choice on who my personal favorite was, not because she had a vacation or won some money or got a second chance. That was the rules this year. Do you think if Marc had use the veto and then had had made it to the final two, he would have thought he did not deserve it because he was still there due to a new rule this year? I don't think so. |
Bernie | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:21 am     Bravo, Allietex! Hear hear, I quite agree! :-))) |
Realfan | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:54 am     EXCELLENT post, Allie!! ITA completely. I don't think the $10,000 should play into any decisions at ALL. It's chump change--$6,000 or less after taxes. |
Itsallgood | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:59 pm     Excellent Post Allietex...everything you said and more! I couldn't of said it better myself!!! I hope she goes after everything she is able to because IMHO she has been playing the game HER way and that is why she is still there! GO AMY!!!!!! |
Knightpatti | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 06:05 pm     I agree Allie! Amy has been a real survivor in the house when even her best friend was not a friend to her at all. She has been all alone and she is still funny and gracious. I am so glad that she won the money!!! |
Cliotheleo | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 09:45 pm     Allie, I have to disagree with you. But before I go any further, let me say that I ADORE Amy and TRULY want her to win, not because she's necessarily the most deserving, but because she's the most entertaining! With that said, I fail to see that Amy has actively tried to "play" this game, the only exceptions being when she was more or less backed into the corner and was FORCED to play. You mention the POV. The general concensus in the house was that everyone (with the exception of Chiara and possibly Roddy) ALLOWED her to win that game. They all wanted Roddy and Chiara out, they knew they could convince her to nominate them, all the blame would go on her and they could get rid of her the next week. Of course even if they hadn't handed it to her, she did say that she had made her mind up to win that competition no matter what. She had been told by the producers about "Operation Revovling Door," and they told her that if she did not win the HOH, she'd be out of the house again just as fast as she'd been sent back in. As for the POV, I find it highly suspect that the competion was slanted in her favor. I don't understand all of her biography, but I believe she's been active in the pageant circuit and the game required her to have a great deal of poise as one might except a beauty pageant verteran to posses. It was as if the producers sat around and tried to come up with a competion that she could win. Factor in the possibility that Dani (and perhaps others) threw that competion because they wanted Roddy out of the house and her "skill" in winning the game doesnt' seem as impressive. No, Dani did not win HOH until this game but she did that on purpose so that she would not appear to be a threat to the rest of the house. That in itself is game play. Amy has mentioned not wanting to be HOH, but her reasons were more along the lines of "not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings." Other than being very close friends with Marci, Amy never (to my knowledge) made an alliances with anyone and only strategized when she had no other choice. Again, I love Amy to death, she's my girl, but she's simply not been an active PLAYER in this game, she's just there, being her ever-entertaining little self! |
Bernie | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:41 pm     But think about it, Cliotheleo. Danielle hasn't up to now won HOH and so never had to nominate anyone, and thus upset potential voters, but she has voted every time, and has been in the thick of all the action. Amy has only voted once, against Tonya, nominated once, causing the eviction of Chiara, and did not use POV, thus effectively ensuring Roddy's eviction. Only those three evictees have valid reasons to deny Amy a vote in the end-discounting their friendships of course. Amy might be said to have had one of the the best strategies of them all-don't make alliances, don't try to make deals-she did before her first eviction and got stomped on by her buddy-and let it be known that you don't care about the money. It's gotten her to the final four, and in spite of having had to endure a lot of cr*p, she didn't really have to work as hard as either Danielle or Jason did to get there. She has shown that ineffectualness is just as much a valid strategy as vigorous action. Monica got to the final three last year in just the same way. Both of them however have failed at the last because of not having a partner in the house to rely on in the crucial endgame. Edited to say, that I also love her because she's just Amy :-) |
Allietex | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:30 am     Cliotheleo, you're correct. Amy is a passive player. I think I indicated I did not know if that was planned or whether she just fell into it. But whichever, she has still played it out. And yes they handed her the HOH and maybe the POV was geared to her, but she did not have to win. Others have thrown them. Amy did not. She took what was offered her and did what she felt she had to do with them. And if you think back, even when she lost, she was very close in the competitions. My argument was not that Amy was an agressive player, on the contrary, I think I indicated she was passive but effective. My point was more about whether she had the right to play for the money. So many of the houseguests seemed to expect her to just accept that she had no right to compete for the money. She was just supposed to be content to be in the house, and be their virtual punching bag while she was there. Well, I don't think that is right. I did not even say I wanted her to win. It isn't important whether I want her to win or not. My point is that she has much right to try as anyone else. |
Ark | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:20 am     From a conversations last night, Dani, Jason, and Amy all accepted the money offer but evidently Amy held out for the most money and won. Lisa is the only one that didn't take it. |
Spygirl | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:34 am     Actually, I think Amy held out for the least money of everyone else and won if it works like last year. The person who accepted the lowest offer of money won. |
Ark | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 08:41 am     Well that's what I thought too Spygirl. But I could have sworn that Dani said, last night, that she took the deal for $5000.00. I thought that Jason held out for $15,000, so I'm really unclear about the amounts they took the deal for. |
Scorpiomoon | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:23 am     Post #100! Yay! |
Grove | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:18 pm     If Dani did take the deal for $5000, and Jason held out for $15,000, it's likely that they determined the winner in the same way that they did last year when Bunky won: random chance. Last year, they all had to find a peanut butter jar (all hidden in separate rooms). Then they made their deals with Julie, and then they all removed the lids of the jars. Under the lid there was a number. Bunky had number 1, so he won. If the person with jar #1 hadn't made a deal, then the person with #2 would have won, or down on the line until they found the first person to have made a deal. Bunky didn't win because he made the cheapest deal; he won because he had the right jar. This time, after they made their deals, I imagine they all turned on their cell phones, and whoever had the one with phone number 555-1111 won, or something along those lines. This would explain how Amy's deal, which was neither the highest nor the lowest, would win. Either way, I'm happy that someone took the deal; I think that four teary phone calls home would have made the Saturday show really really dull. :-) |
Jhezzie | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:15 pm     I'm glad Amy won. Why people are thinking it was a bad move is beyond me. Amy has been on the block for most of the game. The HGs have made it plain that she is living on borrowed time and I think she should try and win every last thing she can. They aren't looking out for her, so she needs to. Go, Amy, Go! |
Pottedplant | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:33 pm     I am also glad Amy won, heck I am still holding out hope that she will win the game (passive or not LOL ) |
Seamonkey | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:45 pm     Interesting because Jason has said over and over that he didn't want to lose everyone the calls, etc. sounding like Amy was the scumbag.. guess we will see on the next show.. when IS the next show, anyway? Not til thursday? |
Finqwik | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:50 pm     Because it's taking so long to fix the thing maybe they should forget about the surfboard contest and have them play cards for the cruise prize. |
Cupcake | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:55 pm     Hi Seamonkey! There is a show tonight at 8 pm. PS Thanks for all the great posting you do. I love your sense of humor. Do you suppose the lizards are still holding out for the sunglasses and hats from the shopping spree? |
Spygirl | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 04:11 pm     Oh! Good call, Grove! I forgot all about that part of the competition. |
Cinder | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:14 pm     Anybody think the competition was geared for Dani NOT to win. COrrect me if I am wrong. Wasn't he phone she found in the HOH room. She was the most likely person to look in this room. Also, didn't she have the highest # on her phone. Again I could be wrong because I did not tape the episode. |
Puck1021 | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:33 am     Dani Agreed to take 5,000 Amy agreed to take 10,000 Jason agreed to tak 15,000 Lisa said no to all three offers, Since 3 agreed to the money they had to open the phones and the lowest number on the phones won, Amy had 17 there so she won the money and the call. Lisa was the only one who thought of everyone else not getting to talk to the famlies. This brings Lisa up a big notch in my book. Even the perfect Jason agreed to take 15,000 and the 3 minutes. |
Bernie | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:46 am     After seeing the show, and seeing where the phones were, it's interesting that Amy, who hates those lizards, found her phone in the lizard tank. Lisa found a phone in the bathroom, Dani's was in HOH, and Jason found his last in the kitchen. I had a 'hmmm' moment, wondering if BB thought Jason would be the most likely HG to find the phone in the lizard tank. I had to smile too, when Danielle took the money because she thought Amy would, and Amy never dreamt that Danielle would, and felt guilty as heck, while Danielle never turned a hair. Interesting... |
Fruitbat | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:26 am     Cinder, I think the person placing the phones did not know what number was under the sticker. |
Weinermr | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 05:47 am     When it was announced that the winner had won $10,000.00, someone asked Danielle if she had taken the $5,000.00 she said "No". You could see the wheels turning in her head, as she was thinking that since she had taken only $5,000, the person that won $10,000 would take the heat for ruining the phone calls for everyone else. But then Jason turned to Danielle and realized that she had to have taken the $5,000 or else she would have known about the higher offers. Only then did Danielle admit to having accepted the $5,000. And no one said anything about the fact that she lied originally and denied having accepted any money. I wonder if the remaining HG's will keep this in mind, and I also wonder if the jury members took note of it. |
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