Danielle sobs
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Danielle sobs
Battlestar | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 10:57 am     Having the 2 'token' blacks get to the final 5 was awesome---but if they both could have made it to the final 3 or final 2 would have been stupendous. As Danielle was really the instrument of Marcellas eviction, do you think there might be any backlash from some corners of the black community???---or will there be kudos for taking care of her alliance with Jason?? With her strong alliance with Jason and her stated protection of him--she had no choice but to take out Marcellas |
Pesto | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:05 am     Tears of Joy!! Tears of Joy!!
Honestly, I think it was a mixture of alot of things posted above... |
Lombadier | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:09 am     I don't like Dani but I do believe her tears were genuine. I don't know why, I grew to really dislike Marc, but even I was sad to see him go. Go figure! |
Oregonfire | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:11 am     I like Danielle, but I think that crying was completely fake. Punging her face into Lisa's chest, hmm? A great way to show that there are no actual tears. Remember Nicole's teary DR entries? I don't think Danille is above shedding a few crocodile tears for a jury vote. There have been a few times that she seems to have shed some real tears: --When Chiara left --In the DR about the AC video from home (which she won) --the bawling in the bedroom after(Jerry?)left and Roddy comforted her. And the fake tears: --In the DR over the AC letter from home (more of a catch in the throat, but still some suspect acting) --When Marcellas left!!! She wanted him gone, stated it several times over, and consequently felt no remorse about evicting him. That doesn't mean that she's not sad that he's gone, but still. All that said, I like Danielle and hope that she's in the final two. |
Seamonkey | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:13 am     What bothered me most was (stated on live feeds) when Lisa gently prodded about why was she left out of the loop and that Jason then had to take the fall and put Marcellas out.. Dani basically shrugged that off, in fact implied that Lisa had somehow missed something. Then said that SHE had told Marcellas that he should use the GPOV to save himself!! She NEVER told him that. She was very careful.. in fact first nailed down that he wasn't wanting her to take him off the block if she won GPOV (boy was she relieved) and then strongly suggesting that Amy would go anyway. Of course it still was his mistake to not use it, but he had been convinced that he was safe and he lost out. Dani's tears.. They all had tears, but the sobbing seemed a bit over the top, especially after the trashing she's done about Amy's crying. By the way, did Jason seem almost blonde in many of the shots last night?? |
Alaginger | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:15 am     I think Dani did what she had to do in order to be a winner.......and I think she felt like a scum-bag doing it to Marcellas. IMHO she truly cares for Marcellas, and hated having to do that but it was necessary to stay true to her alliance with Jason and to win the game. What I watched was true emotion --- get the emotion out, get it over with, and get on with the game. There isn't much time between the eviction and the HOH comp...and Dani needed this win! |
Groucho | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:40 am     Seamonkey -- regarding the convo last night between Dani and Lisa, I thought what Dani said was "I told him not to do it" and I think what she meant was she told Marc not to confront Jason about the noms, because it would upset Jason. In that sense Marc guaranteed his eviction once he didn't use the veto. But I could be wrong |
Letmeinthere | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 12:20 pm     Dani has manipulated people throughout this game. She lied to Roddy by saying she didn't say she wanted him out of the house. If she was playing so well then how come Roddy, Chiara, Gerry, Tonya and Marc aren't rooting for her? Cause she has backstabbed people. That is why she's there today. She has an alliance with Jason but he'll be the next one she stabs in the back. She isn't going to sacrifice $500K out of friendship. Hell no. |
Janekat0629 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:20 pm     Dani and the rest of them sure seemed to be relieved and happy (giddy almost) after Marce left. Usually they are kind of sad for at least an hour or so... I was a little surprised. |
Allietex | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:21 pm     If Dani and Jason had not voted out Marc last night the talk on the boards today would have been how stupid they were, not how honorably they played the game. What is with the people who talk about how they "betrayed" Marc. Come on, he had already made a deal with Lisa to "betray" them. They just got there first. No one is any better than the other. There is no honor or integrity involved here no more than there would be a game of poker or old maid. It is all built on deception. Dani and Jason did what they had to do. Would it have been more honorable to vote out Amy or Lisa? Do you think Amy or Lisa feel they deserved to go more that Marc? Pick a side, be a fan, but as long as they play within the rules, realize this is a game not real life. The thing that bothers me is not the lying, betraying, or plotting. That is the way this game is set up. It is the stuff that is no part of the game. The bashing,the bullying, the character assassinations, the belittling, and hypocritical complaints about behavior. That makes me angry. |
C1mag | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:32 pm     Allietex... EXACTLY! |
Becca | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:52 pm     They would have kept marc in the final 3. However, he did a number of things that scared them. His deal with Roddy. When Marc told Roddy that Dani was aiming to get him out, he endangered both of his allies. This very much was a double cross, there is no doubt about the fact that it was a double cross. dani and Jason realized they weren't going to call him on it. I won't be suprised if Jay and Dani both see this in the diary room, as a message to Marc. WE started to question our ability to trust you. They felt they couldn't trust him, and they were right. (Marc himself would have put up Jay if Amy had vetoed Roddy. He addmited it.) Nominating his best friend in teh house also scared Jay and Dani. Basically it came down to them, that they couldn't trust marc. (They were going to keep Marc because of the final 3 deal (figured let Lisa and Marc fight it out.) However, they realized Marc was angry, and they couldn't trust that. There is no doubt that Jason was right, Marc was going after Jason next week. What Jason and Dani did was for self survival. Alliances are all about being able to trust people. Dani and Jay felt Marc proved (and he did that he was untrustworthy). They made the smart move. We all know Marc was going to nominate both of them if they won. Even if Amy would have done the same thing, her ability to play the games are less than Marc's. Marc is very hypocritical to be angry with Jason in Dani, when he gave them more than enough reasons not to trust them. He played two many people and made too many deals. |
Sheila494 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:27 pm     danielles croc tears are only for the evicted house guest to think she is really sorry about their eviction..YEA RIGHT |
Patman | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:33 pm     Dani's tears remind me of Nicole's tears in the DR vote entries. Fake fake fake, just like <>. |
Gramma | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:36 pm     Alaginger stole my post. ;) ITA with you Alaginger. |
Mrs_Taz | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:44 pm     If Danielle was so sad to see Marc go, why was she plotting that he needed to be the next one to go even before Roddy was out of the house! |
Adrian | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:51 pm     "I think they were real too. C'mon people, Danielle, does NOT pull a "Nicole" in the DR and on goodbye speeches, crying puppy dog tears. Until tonight, have we ever really seen her tear up and get this emotional?? ....... "he's the devil" doesn't count as emotional! " Exactly. Patman, now tell us, what Dani DR Nicole like entries are you talking about? |
Seamonkey | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 06:01 pm     I have way more faith in Nicole's tears (yes some of us liked her) than in Dani's. I'm not arguing that they shouldn't have seized the opportunity to boot Marcellas. I'm upset that Dani told him Amy would go if he didn't use the POV and that she then told Lisa she had warned him (Groucho.. I'll concede that there could be alternate "perceptions" to mine) and I've heard Dani do this before.. not only lie, but then rewrite history to someone else. I guess it is that extra layer of lying that doesn't seem necessary. But now, in keeping Lisa, they will NOT be doing the logical thing!! Go figure. Go Lisa. Go Away Dani. Nothing personal. Just the game. Just business. |
Allietex | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 08:22 pm     Dani lied to Marc and she lied to Lisa. Marc has lied, Lisa has lied, they have all lied. It's allowed. There is nothing wrong with it. The secret is to lie the best while making the least people mad at you. That is the way the game is played. Anyone who can not stand to lie will not last in the house and should never have agreed to go on the show. When she lies like that she is only playing the game. She acknowledges in the DR that she lies. She is not happy about it but she knows she has to. It is no different that lying in a card game or a murdery mystery game. IT IS A GAME. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO LIE! Remember the old game show What's My Line? The mystery guests lied to fool the contestants. No one worried about whether they lied. Everyone understood it was part of the game. I think that is the problem with Big Brother. Many people do not really look at it as a game show. Because of the format they look at it as a real life soap opera. |
Jimmer | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 08:34 pm     Yes the game is largely about lying. However, if we and the other houseguests watched and played the game based on the premise that everyone should always lie through their teeth all the time, then it really wouldn’t be much fun to watch. The idea of the game is to try to get other people to trust you and decide whom you can trust (within limits). One of the things that make the show interesting and emotional is when that trust is betrayed. Like it or not, game or not, it still hurts. At the very least, it shows you’ve been outplayed. Yes everyone lies and yes everyone betrays, but there are different levels of lying and betrayal. |
Llittlesister | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 08:53 pm     Lying in response to a question is one thing, or even just lying. Saying you are or are not in an alliance, or who you are or are not going to vote for...that is lying. But feigning emotional interest in people's welfare, pulling them close to you as a friend so that you can get a better shot at stabbing them in the back, that is reprehensible. Leading them to believe you "love" them and care about them and are looking out for their best interest, so that they will trust you when you steer them down the wrong path...to me, that crosses a line. Marc does it to Amy, so he reaps what he sows. Dani does it to EVERYONE, and then smears the good name of other HGs who DON'T do what she does. That is why I don't like her or respect her or the game she is playing. Just because there are no rules doesn't mean that you should trade on false compassion to hurt others. |
Braveheart61901 | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 09:11 pm     My opinion, fwiw, is that she was shedding tears of relief. She realized at that moment that her "plan" was coming to fruition. I think it was just a big, emotional relief. |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 09:18 pm     I think that Danielle and Jason get double the criticism that any other houseguest receives for their behavior. Danielle and Jason also get less than half the respect Roddy received for being a sixth place loser. Danielle's tears were far more real than Turnipbrain's reason for not using the unprecedented and most generous Golden Veto. |
Wendo | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 09:28 pm     Littlesister said, "Leading them to believe you "love" them and care about them and are looking out for their best interest, so that they will trust you when you steer them down the wrong path...to me, that crosses a line." Why must it be one way or the other? Isn't it possible that these people CAN care and love the others yet still play the game? The two things aren't mutally exclusive, black or white. As far as leading someone to trust you so that you can then gain the upper hand, well, that's a part of a lot of games. BB is no different. I can completely believe that while one HG can see another as a game player, a threat, and even not care for them IN THE GAME, they still like and respect them outside of said game. Heck, we the audience get emotional about BB and often times forget that there is a game going on. I admit that this has happened to me on many occassions this year, as well as years past. But, when you come right down to it, it is nothing more than a game they are playing, emotional baggage and all. IMO, once the game is done and over, leave the baggage at the door. JMO, though. And, Woodpecker, I agree wholeheartedly. |
Cricket | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 10:17 pm     I truly believe Dani's tears were genuine. She felt bad, but she knew (and rightly so) that she could no longer trust Marcellus. He was going to nominate her, remember? He blabbed everything she said to Roddy. I so respect her for keeping her alliance with Jason. As far as Lisa not being in the loop, that's just not true. For 3 weeks now, Dani, Jason and LISA have said that Marci has to go. It's like Lisa is sleepwalking some of the time and only wakes up occasionally. |
Krossd | Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:32 pm     I agree with those of you who think the tears were genuine (this time) and a mixture of having to do it, and relief, and release. Alaginger stated concicely. I think Dani did what she had to do in order to be a winner.......and I think she felt like a scum-bag doing it to Marcellas. IMHO she truly cares for Marcellas, and hated having to do that but it was necessary to stay true to her alliance with Jason and to win the game. What I watched was true emotion --- get the emotion out, get it over with, and get on with the game. |
Beserkknight2 | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 05:59 am     Dani doesn't give a rat's *** about anyone in this game. She lied to Marc and betrayed him. Period. |
Ocean_Islands | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 06:14 am     Marcellus betrayed Danielle, and was the first to do that. Danielle was with him until he did that. |
Earthmother | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 07:08 am     He betrayed Dani when he went to Roddy and told him what she said. She didn't forget that for a minute. I think her intent in the beginning was to go to the finals with Marc, and he blew it. Let's face it her chances of winning were much better against him than it is against Jason. I didn't see any of them falling apart and crying 5 minutes after he walked out the door. Maybe she was crying for what could have been. |
Secretsmile | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 07:21 am     I for one think Dani's sobs were real, she was tired, she was hungry, she was stressed to the max and she voted out someone she liked. I'd be sobbing too, for all those reasons and probably she herself doesn't know exactly the 'single' reason she was. I still think it was a great cleansing stress reliever, not a premeditated action for the cameras. |
Earthmother | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 07:43 am     I agree Secretsmile, I think Dani has probably been the only one who hasn't played for the camera, but played to win this game. When a week of stress is finally over, you probably feel drained. I cry when I'm really tired or when a stressful situation finally ends, it is a relief mechanism. For Dani I think a lot of it is that she is one step closer to her goal and she works this game so hard that she can't just relax and her only outlet for that moment is to cry. Don't get me wrong, I still don't like the woman and for personal reasons would rather see Amy and Jason get money over her. Last year I wanted Monica and Bunky to win for the same reasons, not because they played better, but because I liked them better as human beings. I guess I am not much different than the jury when it comes to rewarding poor behavior. |
Sheila494 | Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:45 pm     braveheart..i think you absolutely right..i never thought about it that way. |
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