Tunape | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 02:28 am     Has Danielle been trying to copy what WILL did last year by never being HOH or is she truly lacking in memory capacity to win the contests? I think that she does have the ability to remember the facts, but chooses to never win HOH, then people won't nominate her in revenge. She mentioned watching some of the tapes from last year. She has succeeded in getting others to do what she wants with the nominations without being HOH. |
Toolhound | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 03:18 am     I think Dani has thrown every HOH and all but 1 POV so she can lay low.Even the POV she won didn't cause her a problem because she didn't use it. She has talked of watching all the other Big Brothers even the overseas ones. She has studied this and found that is the best way to win. Unless it comes down to her and Marc it didn't work. I don't think she can beat anyone else in the house for the top money. |
Cornie | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 03:46 am     Danielle doesn't even come close to Will. At least he had a sense of humour(who could forget his hysterical DR's),and didn't bash people into the ground.He was also honest with his statement..."I'm going to lie my ass off" Beats the heck out of..."One down eleven to go"...bla bla bla |
Letmeinthere | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 06:24 am     Dani doesn't have the personality that Will had in BB2. Will was hilarious in the DR. I remember taping the shows just so I could play his DR parts back and laugh more. He told them he was going to lie to them and he did!! All the HG's knew that. That was the beauty of Will! LOL Dani is not nearly as charasmatic as Will. I don't think she's played a good game either. Her belittling evicted HG's and slamming the likes of Amy behind her back isn't strategy, its just plain nastiness. Will was upfront by telling everyone that he was going to lie to win and guess what - he lied and won! At least he was funny about it too. I didn't get the impression Will was that sort of person outside the house but I do think Dani is the sort of person outside the house as she is in the house. JMO |
Redgirl30 | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 07:04 am     Dani borrowing Will's strategy probably wasn't a bad idea. However, Dani has talked bad about EVERYONE in the house at one time or another, including Jason, and that is BAD strategy! She still to this day will sit and go on and on about some HGs, Just yesterday she sat in the BY with Amy and Lisa ragging on all the past HGs. I think she just can't stop herself. She thinks she has played the game sooooo much better than anybody else!!! She wants to point out what everyone else did wrong in this game! She really thinks highly of herself! I am convinced that she can't even win a jury vote against Marcellas at this point. Marcellas has been mean but it has been mostly directed at Amy (and she'd probably still vote for him) and sometimes directed at Gerry....But I think in the end Dani's Nastiness is going to rob her of the money! Much to my delight! 3rd place for Dani (and NO MONEY)would be perfect! |
Itsallgood | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 07:15 am     Will was ENTERTAINING. Dani is Disgusting to watch...she never lets up...always there to start the bashing sessions. |
Litafreak | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 07:25 am     Will was 100% original.... Dani, nor any of this years HG's are anything like him. Josh tried, but not even close. |
Carigsby | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 07:50 am     Stealing Will's strategy of not winning anything is fine. However, Danielle is so transparent. She can't shut up - everytime she mentions not winning HOH, the HGs have to know what is going on. Week by week she has tried (most of the time successfully) to dictate what happened - all the while not having to come out and do anything herself. I actually thought it would all blow up in her face long before now - but after this week she is done for. With a final 4, she will not be able to cover her tracks and she better start trying to win. |
Jaxgirl | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 07:51 am     I don't see any similarities between Dani and Will, except that they have both been on Big Brother. IMO, to compare the two is an insult to Will. |
Dfwteddy | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 08:22 am     Redgirl30: "Marcellas has been mean but it has been mostly directed at Amy... and sometimes directed at Gerry...." SOMETIMES directed at Gerry? |
What555456 | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 08:25 am     I don't see a connection between Danielle and will at all. Two different people. Two different types of play. Danielle has orchestrated all of this. Will did not. Rather he played week to week -- saving himself from eviction each week primarily by convincing people he was the one they wanted at the end because he would never be able to get the votes. This is not at all the way Danielle has handled the game. |
Kristylovesbb | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 08:37 am     First of all Dani cannot be as smart as some think she is, any fool should know you have to play the game inside and outside the house. She may be playing the inside game good but outside, she fails miserably. She may have street smarts and ghetto savy but she is no Will. |
Blossumtree | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 08:44 am     i agree with kristylove, she has street smarts and ghetto booty but that doesn't make her Will. |
Betty | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 08:55 am     You're giving her too much credit. She may have thrown some comps, but there's no way she's smart enough to have won them all. Nope, she's not that intelligent. Her lack of intelligence in not realizing the number one rule of 'don't bad mouth your jury' is proof in itself. I witnessed Will. Dani, you're no Will. |
Niceguy | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:16 am     Danielle prays to a very generous deity. Will didn't do anything like that. Maybe that will work. I hope not. |
Nemesis | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:36 am     How quickly some forget....Will's DR!!!...OMG..he called everybody stupid and many many many more unkindly remarks...don't yall remember???!!! they were mean but funny remarks at the time...Kinda like Dani's are today. Don't get me wrong I liked Will, I like Dani...You just can't compare without using the real facts...Maybe some need to go back and read some of the message board postings from BB2. |
Onlyhuman | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:44 am     Here is the biggest difference between Will & Danielle... Will had a core group to whom he was very loyal. He NEVER said anything bad about Shannon or Mike, even when the other HGs were trashing them. He even defended them at times. The HGS that Will trashed disliked him as much as he disliked them. They thought he was scum, he thought they were idiots. They probably expected Will to say the things he said. Danielle has said things about HGs who considered her a friendly competitor. They liked her until they got out and saw all of the stuff she was saying about them. That has always been the problem with utilizing the "Will" strategy. You can't be an angel in the house and a devil in the DR. You have to be consistent or people will hate you for not being "honest". |
Zachsmom | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:48 am     LOL..Nemesis..do you remember Will in the DR with the Nicole doll? LOL..that had to be the funniest moment!!! zachsmom smacks her head for not recording bb2- could really use a laugh right about now  |
Bigger | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:51 am     Nemisis- I agree. I thought my memory was failing, but Will's DR were mean, too. He dissed alot of the HG's. That's why I was so surprised they voted for him even though they said he played the game better. They were impressed because he said he was going to lie and kept his word about that when he didn't keep his word about anything else. They called it "honest". IMO I think some of them didn't want to vote for Nicole because she was an emotional player, thus out of the two picked Will as a better player. I don't think this strategy will float for Dani because she will be perceived as emotional since her use of Devil references. She really hasn't done anything different than Will, except maybe keep a couple of her promises. Will kept none of his, but continued to stay because he was a good liar. I hope she loses, but perception is everything. The HG's have to make that determination and they are the players. They have a completely different point of veiw |
Kittykatt | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:54 am     Dani another Will???? Will never called ANYBODY a devil 100 million years! 'NUFF SAID |
Showmemoney | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:56 am     I look forward to the NEXT BB when we can talk about how GREAT Danielle was... because I still can't believe how much everyone ADORES Will this year. Everyone hated him last year. Nemesis, thanks for bringing up Will's DR sessions. I know he was mean. And he lied. And he did NOT tell everyone to their face he was lying, he just told us in the DR that he was lying, just like Dani does now. My rants over... (sheepish grin) |
Crazydog | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:03 pm     I agree that some of Will's DR entries were mean and spiteful. I recall him saying that Krista and Monica were two of the stupidest people he has ever met. However, the biggest difference bewteen him and Danielle is that he never pretended to be nice to others. They kept him around because they were so convinced he was so disliked that no one would ever vote for him. On the other hand, Danielle has made remarks in the DR that can be considered insulting. She trashes people behind their back to no end to other houseguests. But then she turns around and acts all nicey nice to them. It's very two faced and fake. She acted like she was their friend but then stabs them in the back. Will never did this, he made it clear he was never their friend in the first place. I recall reading a conversation where Danielle told Lisa to tell Eric that she (Dani) always watched out for him and was good to him. To me it looked like Dani was trying to get Lisa to tell Eric how much Dani deserves to win and was trying to secure both Lisa and Eric's votes in the end. Disgusting. We all know how much she looked out for Eric. |
Bmh | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:03 pm     No..Will didn't call people the devil..but he called people stupid, ugly etc...he was very demeaning but funny at the same time..just like Dani..no-one even dare argue that Dani is any worse than Will was..that is just crazy..they are very similar..except Will had no allies..because his were evicted early in the game..while Dani's allies are all in the final 5 |
C1mag | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:11 pm     Sorry but Will was even more brutal and hateful. He called bunky a Gay Ronald Mcdonald and stated that if he ( Bunky ) won it would be an embarassment to the show. Said Nicole was Thursdays garbage, and Monica was intellectually STUPID! Will had plenty of things to say about many of them and also added he could care less what he was saying as he hated them all!! ( Wow he was kind to the two people that worshiped him, Mike and Shannon) We better be clear on what Dani has and has not said. She has made sure Marcellus did the vicious talking. She simply instigated it and laughed at it. She has been careful not to cross the line and has reprehanded those that go too far! She has even clarified the devil comments about Roddy. She has clarified her feelings about Tonya. I think the problem many have with her is her strategy in general. She kept herself safe by being overly nice to everyone but then plotting behind their backs. Thats what is shocking all of them when they get evicted. They didn't realize she was playing the game so hard. Give them more time and they would appreciate how she has played this. I think she would have beat Will easily because she would not have kept him in the game to use him like Nicole did. As for her obvious desire not to have hoh it's been a perfect plan. If you are gonna make deals with a ton of people the best thing to do is to never nominate anyone. Will on the other hand got off on how obvious Nicole and Hardy lusted after hoh and using Will as the decoy. As soon as he saw that he let them take the lead. He didn't see it as a way too victory he thought it was hilarious that they were keeping him there out of their own lust for control. He never thought he was gonna win. I still don't consider Wills victory to be all that great. He won based on a fluke. He shouldn't have even made it to the finals. The second Nicoles hand slipped off that Key Will finally saw his way too the finish line for what he thought would be second place. Prior to that he was nothing but the house b@tch. Will was playing this game with a bunch of idiots. I think this year the contestants all played this game much harder and that is why Dani needed to play the game the way she has. I could point out how controling Dani has been but then I am quick to recall that the second she has thought that she went overboard she has stepped back. I've yet to hear her say she has "HATED" any of them and I don't consider her desire not to take hoh a mock of Wills plans. It's a smart move on her part. I think this next hoh and the following she should be able to go after and not feel guilty of the outcome. |
Lovelynessa | Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 12:21 pm     I actually think in some respects Will's DR's were a lot more cruel than Daniel. He mocked the houseguest in a mean and taunting way, personally attacked their intelligence, and was especially cruel to Nicole- in much the same way Danielle consistently focuses on Roddy. The one thing that Will has over Danielle was his humor. He had a brilliant way of coming off as humorous even when he doing his most vicious bashing, that is a gift that Daniell does not possess. I do find it interesting that hardly anyone wants to equate Danielle's (obviously great) game playing with intelligence. I find it very telling that she can only be assumed to have "ghetto smarts".....very telling |