9-11 and the pledge
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Crazydog

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Lisa's top. Dani looks like she is wearing a bib.

Secretsmile

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We may not know ALL, perhaps they were each told in the DR, that when they did the pledge BB wanted it to be a photo-op. How about we all just be alittle forgiving on this day?

Demeter

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I disagree that they were just doing it for the photo op. I heard their conversation last night when they discussed their reactions to 9/11. They have been talking about it off and on for a week and that they wanted to recognize this day.

They are in an artifical situation in which they are aware that they should be cognizant of the cameras. They know BB wants to catch a film clip. That does not minimize their true heartfelt feelings.

Dipo

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They did the pledge because a plane flew over with a banner that said "God bless America".

Crossfire

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting...did they look at it?

Lurknomore

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry, but I heard Amy's tone and it bothered me. Were you listening/watching when they did this? I usually cut her a LOT of slack and posted supporting her earlier, but this just didn't seem to come from the heart, especially her concerns with camera angles.

Secret, I'm all for cutting slack especially on days such as this when we are all moved and hurt. But I honestly was taken aback by her comments and her tone while saying them.

Aerojunki

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes they did..one flew a flag, one flew God Bless America & another one flew United We Stand. They circled around the back yard.

Kalekona

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is a TV show. And there are cameras everywhere BB is the one that put up the flag sure they wanted it right for use on the show.

Dipo

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Amy looked at it and told everyone about it. She explained later that she looked because the camera moved to it and she noticed the flag. I guess it had a flag and then the words. One she pointed it out everyone got up and ran out into the yard to look at it, that was when they decided to do the pledge now and still have the candlelight vigil later tonite. I think the original plan was to do both tonite.

Dipo

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BB didn't put up the flag, the HG's asked for it earlier in the week, or I should say they asked for things to use to commemerate the day. The HG's were going to put it on the barn door, but BB stopped them. Don't know how they actually got it on that pole since they went to foth.

Secretsmile

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dipo, The hg's hung the flag last evening. Amy was talking about the plane with the "God Bless America" banner flying overhead a few moments before the pledge.

Misslibra

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BB didn't hang the flag the HG's did. And also I want to add the HG's mention doing something special on this day a long ways back. They didn't know for sure what they were going to do but wanted to do something and all of them went into the DR at the same time to ask permission. So this was their idea not BB's.

C1mag

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I respect them for doing this. No one from bb suggested anything. This was all their idea. If it comes off fake I think it is possible that bb is trying to load it on thick with them once they saw their spirit. I just can't fault them on this issue. Their hearts are definitely in the right place.

Rig

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazydog, I like Lisa's shirt too. In fact, I looked at the picture for a long time

Romans8_1

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with SanFran ... Phony and rehearsed.

"Look at me ... look at how patriatic I am (can we rehearse the pledge and could someone get me the words to Star Spangled Banner)"

C1mag

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It only becomes rehearsed at the suggestion of bb for another sound bite. Something they have heard over and over for the last couple of months. Their hearts are in the right place. BB has taken advantage of their efforts on this issue. Thats why it looks phony too some. I doubt if they're were any camera's that anyone would have mentioned rehearsing the pledge or the star spangled banner.

Betty

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 03:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Off on a tangent, but Marc sure does look old in that clip. I've noticed in many clips that he appears older than his 3...<cough> 29 years. Would love to see his reaction to himself in non-posed and air brushed state.

Beegee

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The HGs don't know how may stars and how many stripes are on the flag? (Duh - How many colonies were there? How many states do we have?) Now they don't know the pledge of allegiance? My kids learned this stuff in kindergarten, as did I over forty years ago, and we certainly haven't forgotten it.

How could this be anything but rehearsed and insincere? They may feel sincere pain over the tragedy of 9-11, but they certainly haven't exercised too many brain cells worrying about the symbols of their country. No wonder Gerry and Roddy were so dissed. These people would have nothing to add to any conversation that's not about pop culture, money, or fame. Sorry, for the outrage, but this is embarrassing and disgusting.

Itsallgood

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 04:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I truly believe they were serious at an attempt to commemorate this day. However, they are on a TV show and have to have several takes to please the producers of Big Brother. If someone mentioned anything about "camera angles" then I would assume they want to get it right so they won't keep having to do it. Kinda takes the meaning out of it but it's Big Brother's rules and when you are under contract, you do what Big Brother wants.

JMO

Costacat

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 04:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just because they wanted to rehearse something doesn't mean they are any less sincere. In fact, that may mean that they wanted to get it right.

And just because they discuss pop culture a lot, is that any reason to call their behaviour embarrassing and disgusting? What could they discuss? The weather? (In California, the daily forecast is pretty much the same.) The news? (Oh, wait, they don't KNOW the news!) Religion? (I'm not sure *I* would open up this can of worms in this house.) Family members? (Can't if they didn't sign a waiver.)

What do they all have in common? Movies they've seen, songs they've heard, designers they wear. Big deal.

And FWIW, sometimes *I* get confused as to how many stars are on the flag. And I have to stop and think about the stripes. I don't think I could sing all verses to The Star Spangled Banner.

And finally, even when I was in school, I automatically deleted -- didn't say -- "under God" when I recited the Pledge of Allegiance. I still do. I don't believe in God. I don't believe in god. I don't display banners that say "God Bless America" and will go out of my way to find one that says "Protect America".

Draheid

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 04:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
IMHO: It may have already been said here, and it goes along with Costacat, that the HG's were merely wanting to rehearse in order to get the timings and intonations down for the best presentation possible. Not because they didn't know it, but because they wanted to give the best television performance, completely synchronized, they possibly could.

JMO - FWIW

Beegee

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 04:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What should they talk about? Well, Gerry and Roddy both tried to engage them in more interesting topics. The HGs labelled everything Gerry wanted to say a "so what." Chiara confronted Roddy about being too intellectual or some such. And Danielle sat and rolled her eyes.

Danielle is the one who really surprises me because she has kids -- elementary schools have assemblies and other programs that parents attend and the pledge of allegiance is always recited. Also,kids learn about the flag, the states, the colonies, etc. as part of their social studies work. Second grade and fourth grade classes traditionally put on some type of patriotic program where they sing patriotic songs. One has a catchy little tune with the lyrics "fifty, nifty United States from 13 original colonies." Then the kids go on to sing the names of all the states in alphabetical order. Both my kids learned that song for their second grade program, as have other kids in other school districts. And this is public school -- in California.

Idlechitchat

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 06:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm social studies teacher in a high school and I'm hanging my head and sobbing. Those are basic facts folks. Anybody and everybody should know them by the time they are old enough to compete for 50,000 dollars.

Ms_Snoodle

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 07:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure that Roddy and Gerry wanted to engage the hgs in various topics as much as they wanted to talk at them and appear intellectually superior to them. Wanting to practice The Pledge of Allegiance doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't know it and I thought it was only Lisa who asked about the # of stars so why are some of us now assuming that none of the hgs know how many stars and how many stripes on our flag? On this of all days we should respect each individual's need to remember in her/his own way?

Seamonkey

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 07:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was a wee bit more offended by Jason's American flag underwear.

Sometime in the last year, one of the stores like Target was selling beach towels that were an image of the American Flag and it raised quite a brouhaha about appropriate uses of actual flags and flag images..

I also found the general ignorance "interesting" and when Dani said she was registered to vote but has never voted.. well, I hate to tell her but she has been dropped from the rolls after missing some major elections.

As for their sincerity, to me that is a separate subject and I think they are sincere.

Letmeinthere

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they were being sincere. If BB wanted to get camera angles right then they picked the wrong time to do it. Pledging allegiance to our flag shouldn't be rehearsed, it should be done out of respect for our nation and its people. If I was one of the HG's and BB were making me say it over and over, I'd tell them to carry out some respect over what the day means and the reason we are doing what we are doing. JMO

Dagny

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 09:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They should let Amy sing "God Bless America"

Wcv63

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 03:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Beegee...do you remember the names of either of the songs you mentioned? My kids certainly didn't learn them but they sound wonderful and I'd like to find them and teach them to my children.

P.S. Public school Louisiana

Beegee

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 07:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63, the one I mentioned is called "Fifty, Nifty United States." They learned a lot of others for the program too -- old standards like "My Country
Tis of Thee" and folk songs like "This Land is Your Land." Yesterday, for Patriot Day, the 5th & 6th graders put on a program and sang "Your a Grand Old Flag," "God Bless America," and "God Bless the USA." They have only been in school for 1 1/2 weeks so they didn't have much time to put it together, but most of the kids had learned these songs back in second grade, and re-learned them in fourth grade, so it wasn't hard for them.

As a side note, for those who aren't clear that the nineth circuit decision on taking the word "God" out of the pledge of allegiance is not yet law (and it looks like it probably won't be -- the nineth circuit decisions are regularly overturned, and from the beginning it's looked like this one would be) -- this is a public school in California. None of the above is presented as having anything at all to do with religion. The songs are taught simply as traditional patriotic songs. The pledge is still recited as it was before the nineth circuit ruling.