Bush speech on Thursday
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Bush speech on Thursday
Ginger | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 01:20 pm     No no noooooo....please don't call Ginger1218 "Ginger." That's my name! And I REALLY do NOT love George Bush. And I love the USA. But more than anything, I love the whole planet EARTH, (which in some manner includes George Bush). |
Maris | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 01:40 pm     I think this emotionalism really cranked up during the vietnam war and after watergate. Before watergate the press pretty much left politicians alone and their personal/private lives were of no importance. I think up until Nixon people trusted their presidents. They may not have agreed but they trusted and looked up to their leaders. Nobody talked too much about special interests because you didnt need ten million to win a congressional seat. After watergate, the press was always looking for the next great story. The parties were looking for the next conspiracy or scandal to blame on the other party. Republicans and democrats became more polarized as the moral majority came into being. You had politics, religion and sex all rolled up into one. Then came Clinton, the man republicans loved to hate but the country loved. He wasnt perfect, he was a redneck with a nickname of bubba but he was brilliant. Our stomachs were full, and we bought new cars every three years. The market was flying, the debt was being reduced and all was well for us. Then came Kenneth Starr. Henry Hyde screamed outrage over the affair with an intern, while at the same time glossing over his 7 year youthful indiscretion with another woman when he was in his forties. Bob Barr was screaming outrage while trying desperately to explain the check to the abortion clinic he wrote for his ex wife. You had Al Gore, probably the worst politician ever who said no thanks to Clinton for campaign help tongue kissing his wife at the convention. To me American politics is like a barroom brawl. It is crass, loud, angry but like siblings - attack the family and we will somehow come together and put the fight off to another day. |
Dallasbbfan | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 01:58 pm     We Americans are like a big diverse family. We have quarrels and sometimes hate each other. But if an outsider hurts one of us we come together as a family to do what needs to be done. Since I was a small child when Nixon resigned the only politics I know is what we have now. It doesn't stress me out or make me think that my country is falling apart. It is just a couple of my brothers and sisters having a disagreement at the family reunion. We even have some relatives that do hate our country and have tried to disrupt our way of life. But no matter what they have thrown at us we bounce back and hopefully always will. God Bless the U.S.A! |
Marysafan | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 02:03 pm     Well said, Maris. I would just like to add that with the advent of television. Our perceptions of our policiticians changed. When the politician looks into the camera and speaks, we get the impression that he or she is speaking directly to us. Therefore, it tends to generate a more personal response. So for example when they look into the camera and say things like "I am not a crook"...or "I never had sex with that woman"...and it is later found to be less that the whole truth of the matter. We feel "lied to" or "betrayed". These things tend to generate a more emotional response. Just this morning I watched Mrs. Laura Bush being interviewed. She was asked if her husband ever discusses Saddam Hussein with his father. Her eyes widened innocently as she sweetly said, "Oh, no. He doesn't do that." Trust me...that got a VERY emotional response. |
Wiseolowl | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 02:21 pm     Blame it all on Nixon? don't buy it. He was a very complex - maybe weird person - But very smart and in the global context was very effective. He didn't choose the Vietnam War - what a mess to deal with. Domestically - that's another story - the problem is - he got caught -no doubt his administration went way beyond the pale - but they were extrodinary times and his enemies exploited his mistakes to the fullest. In any event that was 30 years ago. Can't accept Mrs. Bush's dodge as a reason to justify the hate and despise words. |
Marysafan | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 02:32 pm     Never said I "hated or despised" her...just said it generated a emotional response. I truly love very few people...truly hate even fewer. Many people use those words casually. I do not. It takes way too much energy to hate. I can barely manage contempt. |
Kaili | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 02:36 pm     I have no doubt that GW is advised by his father. Of course he is- who better (in his mind) to go to, especially on this subject. The man has experience with that part of the world and with that particular nation/Saddam. The media is huge- would we ever elect a disabled president today (Roosevelt)? Will we ever again have a really ugly president? The media didn't make an issue about Kennedy's affairs although everyone seemed to know about them. The media was a lot easier on presidents than they are now. |
Beserkknight2 | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 02:51 pm     I don't want any disasters or anything like that, but I would LOVE for the live show to be pre- empted for a speech or something similar. Just to show the hamsters their place in the scheme of things...how disappointed they would be. Love it!! |
Wiseolowl | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 03:11 pm     Presidents often consult former Presidents for advice and boast about it. Why wouldn't GW ask for his father's advice? As a father and as a former President. The question is why the hate and despise words? Nobody's given me an answer yet that I can understand. |
Kaili | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 07:37 pm     Wiseolowl--I don't know why. We're just very emotional I guess. I hate what he does, therefore I hate him- kind of a screwy way to think but we do it. Same as we hate certain HGs on BB even if we really just don't like what they do. I think a lot of it is personality- if the person is charismatic and does something we don't like, we are a lot less likely to say we hate the person. Also we see them on TV so much that it's easy to make judgements. I don't like his attitude/how he comes across on TV so I hate him. Maybe it's just one of those things where it is a word that is thrown around too easily, too loosely. |
Calgaryperson | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 08:11 pm     Moderator, I think this belongs in the General Disscussion area of the site. And seeing as the speach won't be at 8et when BB airs, this won't affect the show at all. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 08:17 pm     Wiseolowl... 'tis a puzzlement, indeed. |
Bigfan | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 08:45 pm     I just wanted to say that I love America! I love George Bush! I love the First Lady! I even love the Vice President! And, if that ruffles your dimpled chad than thank God in America you can feel that way! If I knew how to put a waving flag in this post, I'd do that too! God Bless America! A free country! |
Bob2112 | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 08:56 pm     Here you go, Bigfan.
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Bigfan | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:06 pm     Oh Bob- That is a much better flag than I would have ever of thought of in here. Your the best, thanks! I also love the flag!! |
Janekat0629 | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:28 pm     I DISLIKE but not hate GW. He was the least qualified man to ever run for President BY FAR. In my opinion, he didn't even have any business running for President with his record. And we all know the reason why he was elected... his name. No-one that makes under $300,000 a year should have voted for him. He is corrupt and dishonest - many things from his past have NOT been brought to the attention to the general public. Everything he does is motivated by either being re-elected or towards rewarding his contributors. I still cannot believe that people actually chose to vote for him over one of the MOST qualified candidates (Gore). It's really revolting to me that people just vote on the basis of how nice someone's personality is. I guess we are now reaping the results of people's foolish choices. A horrible economy, deficits (30% of it is due to the tax cut), all of our allies have lost respect for us, he has set this country back majorly as far as the environment, womens' rights go. And if I had a few more hours I could go on and on as I'm only scraping the surface here..... |
Janekat0629 | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:31 pm     Oh, and for the record, virtually of of George Sr's advisors are against going to war with Iraq at this time. |
Observerx | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:35 pm     I don't think it's fair to judge and/or insinuate that someone is unpatriotic if they don't fully support/believe in the current president. That's the only thing that ruffles my chad and I do thank God (not GW Bush) that I can feel that way in America... Otherwise I support everyone in their rights to have an opinion. I love the USA. I stand behind the USA. I am proud to be an American. However, I do not have to blindly follow any leader (aka tyranny/dictatorship), even if he happens to be the current president of the United States, another great reason I love this country... and I would like it to stay that way. The man scares me. He just does. I'm afraid of what he'll do. I'm afraid of what he may have already done. Do some research... Bush Body Count Bush Family Values George W Bush, Jr - The Dark Side I know this has gotten way off topic and I'm really surprised that it has been allowed to go on, but as long as it is, I wanted to restate my OPINION in response to some of the posts. Thank you, and God (however you see God to be) bless us ALL.... |
Kahluacream | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 05:35 am     Oddly enough, I recall similar claims and accusations made against President Clinton: Clinton body count: http://www.etherzone.com/body.html And I could easily include dozens and dozens of additional anti-Clinton sites accusing our former president of all kinds of nefarious activity but I won't waste time or bandwith doing so. For the record, I am a Bush-supporting Republican who didn't particularly care for Clinton but doesn't believe that either Bush OR Clinton have had people killed to further their political careers or that either is an inherently evil man. Wiseolowl, my response to your query is simply that when you see "hate", "despise", or a list of sites that accuses someone of either party of hideous activity, you're simply seeing political extremism. My guess is that those self-described Bush-haters here would be loathe to vote for any Republican under any circumstances simply because the party doesn't promote their personal political agenda. They no doubt hated Reagan and Bush, Sr. as well. The personal demonization of Republican or Democrat icons is often simple fodder to reinforce the opinion-holder's long-held position. Extremism exists on both sides of the political spectrum. Thankfully, the vast majority of our country is made up of people who don't hold extremist views on either side. Because of that, you just don't hear from them very often. I am curious, however, if one's political and social bent has any relation to how one perceives BB3. Who are liberals more prone to support? Which HG does a conservative think should win? Is there a correlation at all? |
Ryn | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 06:32 am     Closing this thread, question asked and answered and the discussion has veered way off topic. Anyone is more than welcome to start a discussion on any topic in the TVCH General Discussion area. thanks |
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