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TV ClubHouse: Archive: ARCHIVE THREE: Any Talk of HG's Trying to Sway Marc to Not Use GPOV?: Archive through September 10, 2002

Lisad

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 08:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We all know that M has repeatedly said he didn't want to use it because he's convinced he'd win against Amy and wanted to proove that to her. Make a statement.

But it seems most of us are in agreement that he'll use it.

Based on Feeds from a couple days ago, I was under the impression that D,J &/or L wanted Marci to not use the GPOV on himself and they'd take him down. Yet - I'm not reading/seeing anything at all going on to try to sway him into not using it.

Did I miss anything or am I correct in my thought that no one is trying to work him into NOT using it at this point? Or are they trying to convince him that Amy's gone - no question?

Wiseolowl

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The better tactic is to lull Marcellus into thinking Amy's departure is a forgone conclusion. Any hint to him that he should do this or that will put his r/gadar up to a plot. He's a little paranoid about it and rightly so.

Missy2

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 08:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What a cocky jerk, he wanted to prove that he could beat Amy? Ugh. Did he really say that!! I would love to see him do that and get evicted. I have not heard any talk about the GPOV. Dani asked Amy yesterday, had she won would she have used it on Marc. Amy said she considered but that she wasn't sure what she would have done.

Lisad

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's just that I'm not seeing any efforts to get Marci to think Amy's leaving no matter what.

This is bothering me and I wondered if I missed these efforts - no matter how subtle.

Ericka1012

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The only comment I saw was the morning after the GPOV comp. and Dani and Marcy were talking and she asked him something like if he wanted Lisa or Amy to go...and he said "If he used the GPOV..he thought it was time for Amy to go for the good of the house." or something on that line...But as I stated in another thread...I don't think Marcy is stupid...(not smart but not stupid) I think he'll use it just to make sure things go his way.

Ark

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisad, Dani & Marci had a conversation last night. I don't recall Dani saying directly that she would be voting Amy out but she did say that in the past she had reassured Amy that she had nothing to worry about but this time she couldn't tell Amy that. Marci seemed to assume that Dani, and Jason perhaps, would be voting to oust Amy.

Tabbyking

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
gosh, i would love for marcellas to use it and have jason get some courage and put danielle up! just to see the shocked look on her face...

Seamonkey

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd agree, Tabby, but fear that it would be such a shock that Marcellas and Lisa might not be able to quickly regroup on live show and vote Dani OUT!

So.. what I hope is that Marc doesn't use the GPOV.

But, I think he will use it.
Lisa will go up and Amy will go out.

Lisa and Jason are the biggest threats, but I don't think they know that for sure.

Amy is popular with many viewers but not with many of the jury.

Marcellas and Dani I believe have serious jury problems as well.

I'd like to see Amy and Lisa at the end, but the only way for that to be possible is for Marcellas to NOT use the GPOV and be voted out.

Lisad

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd love for him to NOT use it and everyone would vote Marci out. He'd be stunned! THAT would make for great TV.

Ericka1012

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tabbyking...unless Jason has a special jar PB hiden somewhere that gives him a kick in the pants...he won't do that he to loyal (blind) is to do anything...Dani has him feeling so sorry for her and her family...as Roddy said she thinks this is a "Make a Wish"...but it sure would make great TV...because in the same stroke maybe Lisa would have the nerve to vote her off, with Jason casting the Walking Papers for Dani...OK, I'm going to wake up now.. :)

Tabbyking

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
yeah, sigh, it was a good dream...

Allietex

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why should Jason vote Dani out? He could beat her in the final vote as well as the others. He still trusts her to help him get to the end. Should he trust her? Who knows? But it is sure that he can't trust Marc and I doubt if Lisa has any particular reason to get him to the end. And Amy would back Marc in a showdown, not Jason. The only way he has a chance to get to the end is relying on Dani's loyalty. It is all he has at this point. He would be a fool to turn against her. No matter how much anyone would like to see Dani go, if you are a Jason fan, you better hope she stays and stays loyal.

Spunky

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It would be the most arrogant behavior ever... to think he doesn't need any charity at this point after all the backstabbing going in the house, he's really delusional...
he needs to use it not only to save himself but to force the others to reveal their intentions more clearly, when either Danielle or Lisa are up Jason will have to decide. It's not only to save himself but for strategy as well...
To let it go because he thinks, no he "believes" he's safe and he actually has the game in his hands is the outmost of arrogance and should he not use it and loses, serves him right...

Espen

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What if Jason tells Marcellus that if he uses the Veto, he will have to put Danielle up, because he has a deal with Lisa? So if Marcellus does not want Danielle nominated he should not use it, and then they can vote Amy out as planned (and then they would actually vote Marcellus out). One can always hope... If he does indeed veto himself, he can say that he "had" to nominate Danielle, though I agree it is risky, as I doubt either Marc or Lisa would have the guts to vote her out, or Jason himself for that matter, if he had to break the tie.. Unfortunately, unless Danielle stays loyal, Jason is in trouble...

Allietex

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if Marc has really considered his situation. Of course many of us consider Marc delusional so he may not have condidered everything. We know he believes he can beat Amy this week, but does he believe he can beat Lisa, Dani, or Jason in the final 2. If he has doubts about that he needs to veto Amy this week and then try to take her to the finals with him. Of course we know that if he uses the veto, he is gone this week, but he does not. I wonder what he thinks about the end game if Amy is gone. I think that if he is smart he will veto himself and try to win the HOH next week, then try to take Dani to the finals, because she is the only one he might beat. I am not sure if Marc is emotionally capable of thinking things through to the end.

Krossd

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 10:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Epsen, in yesterday's conv. in the early morning, Marc asked Jason outright if he had a deal with Lisa... Jason hedged this question but Marc (smartly) brought that to his attention. Jason answered "No". However, with Jason - Dani and Lisa agreed not to vote each other out if he had to insert one of them.
All 3 gave their word. dlj
If Marc saves him self and Jason puts Lisa up with Amy - and Dani votes her out then Dani will have broken her word to Jason and Lisa, tho it would be too late for Lisa, :( )

Originally I thought they wanted Marc out but either M or A was fine (pov) I don't trust Dani to not vote Lisa out if she is put up, but Dani can't want to lose face with Marc and Jason at this point can she? I think she has to vote out Amy if this is what Marc and Jason both want or she will be in trouble with them both!

Watch the next 3 days ---> we should hear what they intend to do. Personally I hope he doesn't use it. If he does save himself, I hope Jason puts Dani up so she can't vote against Lisa (Lisa needs to talk to Jason, and Dani again, to cement this.... Can'tcha tell I am worried?! (for Lisa that is?)

Lyn

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The only person who can get Marcel not to use the veto is Amy. If she were to approach him just before the show and say "You are so lucky you won veto and can stay another week", she would tick him off. He'd tell her he was staying whether he won veto or not, and she'd say "sure Marcellas". He'd say he doesn't NEED veto to stay, she'd say ok...then he'd get really mad and say he'll prove it and NOT use veto. During the live show his butt gets booted and we get treated to the best hissy fit in tv history!

Ericka1012

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 01:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lyn, I hope you are a fly and can whisper that in Amy's ear...That would be the best TV of the 2002 season

Litafreak

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcel's thinking won't be straight from his lack of food this week.

Dani seems to be trying to convince him that Amy will be evicted this week.

If he doesn't use it I don't think Dani will vote to evict him (she wants his vote to win later) Lisa will vote him out.

Jason will break the tie breaker.... I would love to see the look on Marcel's face when Jason says in his sad quiet voice,"I vote to evict Marcellas"

Then I think we'll be in for a treat.... black gay man will turn ghetto....lol


(Come on, HG's give us something entertaining)

Kendalia

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 01:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Allietex, that is an excellent point! Since Jason is easily the hardest to be up against at the end for anyone in the house, no one has a logical reason to keep him around. The only chance he has of making it to the end is to hope that Dani is serious about taking him there, even if it hurts her chances of winning the grand prize. To turn on her would be absolute suicide, while sticking with her and waiting to see if she keeps her word to him is only possible suicide.

I'm sure he's not blindly trusting her--he certainly has doubts, how could you not at this point in that house? But both emotionally AND logically his best plan is to keep her around and not mad at him. She is his only hope.

Lyn

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 01:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can Jason go for HOH again this week?

Lisad

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lyn! - You are correct! That is exactly how Marci would handle it if Amy said that to him! LOL Amy won't do it though. :( But wouldn't it be nice? Please Amy - do this one thing!

Litafreak - Thanks for the info on D trying to convince M that Amy's going. I haven't been able to watch the feeds today. I'm hoping she keeps up doing this and the others get involved also.

If M uses his GPOV, Amy's gone. J won't put up Dani. Not gonna happen.

My dream? Marci doesn't use the GPOV. He's evicted. But allowed to stay in the house for a 1/2 hour while he freeks out for our entertainment. Then D or J get all HOH's & POVs for the rest of the show. Amy out after Marci.

Tho' honestly, Marci'd be crazy to not use the GPOV and I'm sure (as we all are) that he won't use it.

HOW HOW HOW was all this allowed to happen? Booo!

The 2 hour live show is going to be sooo huge! Gonna order some take out for it to sweeten the pot. LOL

Letmeinthere

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 03:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danni has been counting the evicted HG's pictures and knows that she can't beat Jason in the finals. I wouldn't be surprised if she tries to take Marc to the finals instead. That is the only way she's going to win the big $$.

Mags3

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No Lyn, Jason can't. But whoever wins HOH this thursday can go for it the following week.

I don't think Marcellas will use it. He might figure that he is safe anyway, but more importantly if he uses it, it might ticked someone off and he would get nominated again the following week if he doesn't get HOH.

I mean isn't that what the hg's talked about when Gerry used it the first week?

Mags3

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 03:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My post evaporated!

Lyn, no Jason cannot, but whoever gets HOH this thursday can go again. That when they are starting that.

I doubt Marcellas will use it. One, he thinks he is safe so he isn't worried. Two, if he uses it he might feel that it will tick someone off (like when Gerry used it) and he would then be afraid he would be put up again next week.