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TV ClubHouse: Archive: ARCHIVE TWO: Marce and Lisa in new alliance against Dani and Jason?: Archive through September 11, 2002

Csnog

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 04:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason will NOT keep Amy!

He is not using his head but emotion.

Jason has been upset about Amy getting Chiara evicted and has been mad at Amy ever since.

Marcel also knows he will have no chance against either Jason or Lisa.

Marci is not happy with the closeness of Dannie and Jason and if Jason is gone he will have Dannie to himself in the finals.

This will also make Dannie happy.

Kitt

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, if Marc uses the POV and therefore Amy goes, then they're left with four people: Dani and Jason, Marc and Lisa.

Can Jason compete in the next HoH? I think the new rules said he could. But whichever person the new HoH DOESN'T nominate, gets to chose who is evicted (and remember there are no more POVs).

So it means all the pretence his over, they have to reveal their alliance this next round or it's all over. Jason and Dani can't nominate each other, Lisa and Marc can't nominate each other. They can't risk putting up a decoy because then their "enemy" has all the control over who goes.

Hope that made sense, got to rush off.....

Carole

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 04:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if a new E the U will throw a wrench into any stradegy that anyone is planning. Everything has gone right on cue up to this point (almost to the losing interest factor.) We NEED a twist that will throw everyone off guard (including us, as we seem to be able to predict everything that has happened so far) It would be fun to see all the HGs at this point have to squirm to play the game.

Draheid

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 04:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason can NOT compete in this weeks HoH competition. This weeks winner of HoH CAN compete NEXT week.

Mrdisguise

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So dumb to keep Lisa in the house.

Lisa and Jason- the two houseguests with the most friends on the jury.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 04:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran thanks, this is great news. I was thinking the action was grinding to a hault. Good catch!

Fruitbat

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 04:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have been rooting for Lisa and this shows she really is seeing the picture. Good for her.

Dani wants Jason up so no problem with her throwing another competition.

Oh, this is good.

Jaysgal

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 04:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason should consider his chances and do what what is right: Put up Danielle and evict her now.

That said, I would be shocked if Marcellas actually trusts Lisa, especially after she admitted playing Roddy. And I would equally be shocked if Lisa trusts Marcellas after he refused to uphold his deal with Roddy, put up his friend Amy, and he seems to have no problem evicting his supposed friend.

Hence, I think that both Lisa and Marcellas are "feeling each other". I think that Marcellas thinks that he can use Lisa a bit to get rid of Jason next, and then Danielle and he would get rid of Lisa.

I think that Lisa is also trying to get information revealing what Marcellas is up to. She said the Danielle line to get his reaction. Now that she notices that he's hardly interested in getting rid of Danielle, Lisa knows that she, Lisa, will eventually be targeted. So, I think that she will agree with Marcellas but will vote opposite (i.e., to evict Danielle) instead. That's Jason's only chance if he doesn't evict Danielle this time. Only someone else can save him without his realisation that he was saved. And then Marcellas will have to take one of them to the end (i.e., Lisa or Jason) or if Jason wins HOH, then he'll take Lisa [because of obligation].

Skol

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 04:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Marcellas wins hoh and puts up Jason and Dani then Lisa can make a deal with her vote. She can go to both of them and get their word if she keeps them they will take her to the final two if they win hoh the following week. I think Marc has a much better chance of winning hoh than Lisa does, so it would put her in a good position.

Sanfranjoshfan

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 05:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal - "I think that Marcellas thinks that he can use Lisa a bit to get rid of Jason next, and then Danielle and he would get rid of Lisa. "

Right....I agree, but I think that Lisa is thinking the exact same thing.. They BOTH want Jason out because they both know that no one will win against him in the final 2. They also BOTH want to go to the final 2 with Dani. They may work together if one of the two gets HOH tomorrow....but after that, when there is only Marce, Lisa and Dani remaining, it's every man for himself. I think they both realize this. All 3 will work like he11 to get HOH because that guarantees a place in the finals....AND it gaurantees that place with whomever the last HOH chooses.

Meggieprice

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 05:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lisa knows she has a better chance with Dani next to her(or Marc for that matter) than with Jason next to her. I also think she is not crazy about Amy and would like to see her leave this week. I could really see her voting to evict Amy, even if Marc doesn't use the GV(Dani will vote Amy out to keep Marc vote). Marc has given Lisa reason now to stick with him, at least for this all-important round. Nothing was said about next week!

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 05:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa or Marcellas. One of the two leaves tomorrow. Amy stays.

Meggieprice

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 05:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SanFran-took me so long to write mine you essentially said it first, and even better!

I have to say I was busy listening to them talk about past strategy. I never get tired of listening to them descirbe things I saw happen. LOL!

Cameltoes

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 05:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Looks like Danielle's little plan worked. She's been getting them thinking about how much of a threat Jason is. I think both Danielle and Lisa (no need to expose herself to Dani & Jason if Marc will do the dirty work) will throw HOH and Marcellas will win (assuming the comp is easily thrown). This puts Marcellas in a good position for the finals. Lisa will need to win the final HOH to get there.

Wrat1010

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 05:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting that Lisa believes Danielle is using reverse psychology in describing how much bashing she does in the diary room. But she also apparently agrees with M's assessment that D has worked people too hard. What we don't know is Lisa's opinion on who she thinks she has a better chance at beating in the final: Danielle or Marcellas. I don't think she has made up her mind yet on that.

Regarding the GPOV, I'm not surprised that Lisa didn't warn Marcellas to use it, because after all, she knows that she would be the one going up in his place, and does she trust Marcellas enough not to tell Jason and Danielle that Lisa is planning to betray them and should be voted out? He might just do that anyway on tomorrow's live show! Afterall, he and Amy could then go up against Danielle and Jason to take out Jason!

Now it's possible that Marcellas will not use it as a gesture of his trust in Lisa and Danielle, but Lisa could vote him out and then go to Amy with the same deal with Amy in Marcellas' place!

But it Lisa is thinking of telling Danielle about the plan, it is critical that she not tell her until after the veto ceremony and then only if Marcellas does not use the GPOV.

Gouraphik

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 05:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good for Marcellas & Lisa...baaaad for Jason. Like Jaysgal says, Jason has to get rid of Danielle. Actually, either her or Marcellas...if both of them are in the house, he's pretty much doomed. Now, Danielle may not rip him off, but her presence alone is a threat. She's just too attractive to Lisa & Marcellas (due partially to her unattractive negative traits :)).

Anyway, in order to survive, Jason should do the following (or something like this):

Step 1:
Convince Danielle to vote to evict Marcellas if he stays on the block, or Lisa if she gets on the block. If both of them are up, vote to evict Marcellas.

Step 2:
a) Tell Lisa (preferably shortly before the live show) that if Marcellas uses the Golden Veto, she's scheduled to go up. Danielle will vote against her, and if there's a tie, he's supposed to boot her.

She must also be told that confirming this with Danielle will be futile, as she'll deny it. However, if she makes a deal with him, and does as he asks, he'll not only spare her, but will ally with her for the duration of the game.

b) Instruct Lisa to vote to evict Marcellas if he stays on the block, or Danielle if she gets nominated. If both of them are up, vote to evict Danielle.

Then, Jason can do the dirty job of booting Danielle (if a tiebreaker is necessary), and move on to figuring out how to get to the final 3.

It's still risky, since if Lisa rips Jason off and keeps Danielle (and if Marcellas elects to do the same), he might be in even worse trouble. But that's a risk he's going to have to take, since the way things are going, he's a dead man walking.

Wendo

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 07:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You have to look at this, though, from Lisa and Marcellas's point of view. They're now looking at who they can beat at the end. At this point, with who's left in the house, both Li and Mar believe they cannot beat Jason. Sücks for Jason, but he's played it so well that he's an obvious threat. I'd boot Ja before Dani too.

Then, if you're Dani, Li, and Mar, you fight like heck to win that last HOH. That's when I think Dani will really try for HOH...the last one. And, if she's playing the game, she takes Mar.

For Lisa, she can take either Mar or Dani.

For Mar, he should take Dani. He cannot beat Lisa, imo.

Interesting turn of events.

While I think Dani did plant seeds about Jason, one would have to be completely blind to not see that he's the one that NONE of them could beat. I think Mar and Lisa would've figured that one out all on their own.

(Btw, is anyone's feed 4 on the quad cam stuck on a night shot of the girls sleeping? Cause mine is.)

Crossfire

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason is very lucky he has made it this far. If I were in the house slugging it out for Big mad bux, and was covered with dirt and wounds, and I see someone standing off to the side sporting a halo...well, thats it, hes outta there. Can't have anyone in the house cleaner than me. :)

Gouraphik

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey...it makes perfect sense for Marcellas & Lisa to do what they're planning to do. But if Jason wants to survive, he needs to acknowledge that the situation has shifted from a mutually beneficial Jason & Danielle alliance to a Jason vs. Danielle showdown, I'm afraid.

He's got to get rid of her before she does, or before somebody saves her at his expense. We'll have to wait until tomorrow to see if Jason has any sense...because he still has the ability to control his destiny (to a degree) at this point.
That's just the way it is.

Ericzj

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In Jason and Dani's pact/alliance didn' they say to each other that they would fend for themselves at one point? I would say that point is now.

Mom

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 07:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I missed this guys...did Lisa and Marcellas talk game strategy today? Are they planning this new alliance against Dani/Jason? Someone clue me in.

Thanks.

Draheid

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
MoM: Best to go look at the opening message in the archive of this thread. I believe it explains the story pretty well.

Jaxgirl

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 07:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really doubt Jason will be able to survive. He has just been TOO good, everybody knows it so he's the latest target, and now he will be helpless not being able to compete for HOH this week to save himself. The HOH rule should have started immediately, not next week. Quite a slap in the face to Jason for BB to tell them this now, and knowing it will be of no use to him this week.

Lisad

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 08:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm actually scratching my head as to why Marci didn't make a deal with Amy. LOL They could have hooked up with Lisa too. Oh well.

Looking forward to some late night strategy convos tonight. Should be interesting. It really stinks being here in CST though. Booo!

Auntkk

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 08:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really hope that this thread is true. Not for Marc' sake, but for Lisa's. She is my favorite houseguest- I just like her the most as a person. If she doesn't make some sort of deal, she will HAVE to win HoH to have a chance at this point. Danielle may come off as a friendto Lisa, but when it's down to the wire, it's every man (or woman) for himself. I know Lisa can pull this off. She's clearly an intelligent girl as shown by her choice to bring Amy back into the house as opposed to Eric.