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C1mag

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm curious if anyone feels that Dani has a chance at winning the whole thing? I'm not asking what you think of her or what negative things she has done. There is enough of that all over this place. What I'm asking is simple.. Do you think she has a shot and why or why not?

Obviously I believe she played the game the best but I think in the end she will be docked by sore losers that will use hg trashing as a means to deny her of the actual victory.

I would have no problem with denying her the victory for that if they all had not done the same thing.

If it's true that Marcellus is calling someone like Roddy then it's obvious Dani is already the target to lose first prize no matter who she is up against so I guess she is not gonna get half a million. The most important thing is getting to the end so if she gets there she is a winner no matter what dollar amount she walks away with.

Do you think she has a chance?

Gidget

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is not my opinion but how some of the other hg may see things.

Lisa has been a non-entity for most of the game.

Amy has caused a lot of pathos in the house plus she was voted out once.

Jason has used his niceness in much the same way Dani has used her survival skills.

If the jury thinks outwit outlast outplay, they just might vote for Dani.

But I hope not.

Draheid

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag: It will really depend on who she's standing next to as to which way the jury will go. If they vote PURELY on gamesmanship and she's against anyone except Jason, IMO, she could take the prize.

However, my perception of this year's HG's is that they will vote with their emotions and discard the logic of the fact that it's a game and the reward should go to he/she who played the game the BEST.

It also depends on how they are briefed by Big Brother as to the latitude they have in determining their final choice. Much like a Jury Trial in our legal system, a great deal of the decision process can be effected by the Judge's instructions.

So, in answer to your question, yes, she has a chance. Do I think she will get that chance? No, not with this year's cast.

JMO - FWIW

Wcv63

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1...I see a coalition developing among the jury members that does not bode well for a Dani win no matter who she is up against.

Battlestar

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
no she won't. The jury is not under instruction to vote for the 'best' player.

The jury will vote for the one they want to have the money and that will be based on many things.

So though Danielle played the best game in getting rid of everyone else --but she did not play the best game in keeping them as supporters for her when they have the power in jury votes.

Dagny

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag...sounds like you may have bought Dani's scenario of Roddy "manipulating" former HG's on the outside.

Marcellas is pissed, because Dani did him wrong. Roddy had nothing to do with that.

C1mag

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wc I see that as well. Marcellus said in his interview that Dani will NOT win no matter who she is up against. Unless he is the new Miss Cleo he knows something is up. Especially after talking to Roddy of all people and we already know that Roddy doesn't want her to win as well.

Battlestar

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Marcellas does NOT need any input from Roddy to be pissed at Danielle. Marcellas doesn't handle betrayal well

C1mag

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dag I have no doubt that Marcellus' anger he has for Dani is all his own but I do feel that Roddy will give his very early opinion about her fate if she gets into the final. Anyone who is mad at her will eat that up and jump on board real fast to help make sure she doesn't get the bigger money. Within that house they always went to Roddy for the final word of approval. I think this will happen on this issue as well. If they let it happen then this is their choice. We all know they are gonna want to blame someone for their departure and it looks like she's gonna be that sounding board.

Dagny

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And BTW C1mag...NO I don't think Dani has a chance. (JMO)

Dagny

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag...you really think Roddy can "control" the way the jury votes?

Goddess146

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Most of the departed HGs are gone because they were weak minded enough to be Roddy's pawns. You can bet your keyboard that Roddy will have a significant influence upon this particular jury.

Dagny

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How about Dani againts Amy?? Who would Roddy manipulate towards?

Wcv63

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Word Goddess146.

Battlestar

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess-----you are giving far too much power to him.

Danielle will lose this game on her own steam

Jhezzie

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think they will give it to Dani. Most of these guys didn't really play a strategic game. It was a popularity contest to most of them. "Good" people vs. "Bad" people. People who "deserve" to win.
If they see the tapes and read the LFs, you can bet it will be more of the same. I don't think most of them will see the difference.

Adrian

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Star Wars -> As of today, Dani is up against all odds.

Empire Strikes Back -> Roddy (re: his immediate conversation with Marcellas right after his eviction) is obviously lobbying for a sure Danielle's loss.

BTW, I'm just wondering if this many posters' here Wonder Boy (Roddy) is campaigning for Danielle's SHUTOUT LOSS (reminiscent of his 7-0 campaign for Amy's eviction). IF THAT's TRUE WHAT A LOSER TO THE END! j/k :)

Return of the Jedi -> A miracle (the evicted HGs will find out who the real phonies are) plus Danielle's dramatic & convincing performance in front of the evicted jury HGs (which I think will happen) = a fitting end (Danielle's win + Jason in the Final 2) to a great Big Brother season.

Unless something happens that we don't know, I expect a grand confrontation between Roddy & Marcellas (WOW! What a tandem) VS. Dani & Jason (WOOHOO!) in the end!

Wcv63

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Battlestar...the houseguests who followed Roddy blindly and/or never questioned him give him that power. How many "fell on their swords" for him even to the point of telling others that Roddy did not deserve to be in the position of nominee?

Dani made some tactical errors BUT Roddy will make sure that HIS agenda is the one that plays out in the end. You can be sure of that.

Dagny

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
IF I were a former evicted HG's...I would be offended by this topic. I think they have a brain... (JMO)

C1mag

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dag I think he can control a conversation when they talk about her being the winner and he can lay it out in a slick manner that all but challenges them NOT to give it to her. So yes I do think before they actually vote he will have a lot to say and anyone who is already angry with her will take those words of his as a justification to deny her of first prize. They will say, thats how I feel also but he just makes it better to understand.

To my knowledge it doesn't look like Amy is gonna be around for the possability of a final 2 so I don't think it's gonna be a factor.

Dani's only chance is one hell of a final speech and then if they are allowed a question and answer moment that should be interesting.

Wcv63

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dagny...Josh all but begged to be nominated because Roddy didn't DESERVE to be up there as he is this wonderful blah blah blah person who inspired him blah blah blah.

Chiara was willing to take a bullet for him because she cared for him so. Since then even though he has made it quite clear that there is no future for them other than friendship Chiara still holds onto the belief that a romance is possible.

Amy flip flopped so many times under the weight of Roddy's opinion. He had her in tears a number of times with his mental manipulations.

Eric was willing to follow Roddy whereever he led them.

The facts speak for themselves. He has a lot of influence and knows how to manipulate these people.

If they have brains now would be a good time to start using them independently of Roddy's approval. I doubt it will happen though. Roddy may be out of the house but he isn't out of the game.

Battlestar

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
they are no longer in a closed environment----what occured in the house is not what will automatically going to happen outside the house.

Roddy is not Lucifer---you've been listening to Danielle for too long LOL

Scorpiomoon

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 11:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The sad thing is, obviously, Danielle played the game well. But I don't think many of the evicted hgs will see it that way. I think she left a bitter taste in many mouths.

Here's what I am damn curious to see: If it is her and Jason left, will the evicted hgs unanimously vote for Jason? Can you guys just imagine if that happened?

Adrian

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think both Roddy and Marcellas will campaign very hard against Danielle. But Jason (and the good guys among the other evicted HGs) will prevail. If Jason does not make it to the end (Final 2), he will be Danielle's savior & credible campaign manager. JASON WILL BE MORE CREDIBLE AND WILL CONVINCE A LOT OF OTHER HGs THAN YOU KNOW WHO! :)

If it is Jason vs. Danielle, there is no chance that Danielle will win (as far jury voting is concern). I DO FEEL SHE WILL STILL WIN IN THE END BECAUSE JASON WILL SHARE TO HER THE $$$ (WHICH IS REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT FOR DANIELLE AND HER FAMILY). THEREFORE, DANIELLE MAY NOT FINISH 1st BUT SHE WILL STILL END UP THE CO-WINNER.

Battlestar

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
---I think some of the posters here need a Roddy deprogramming---I too think they all have brains of their own that will work just fine all by themselves.

They've seen the tapes, watched some shows, probably gone to some of the boards. I think they will do as Danielle always says "Go with their hearts'