Gentlemen, leave chivalry(and the way of the samurai) at the door of the BB house.
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Gentlemen, leave chivalry(and the way of the samurai) at the door of the BB house.
Niceguy | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 05:49 pm     I thought this would be a good time to make this announcement. Actually, Will was very courtly to Shannon and Eric tried to be with Lisa. You never know about love. I guess. In a practical sense, however, chivlary really needs to be left at the door. At least with this group things would have been markedly different. Some of the female opponents definitely used it as a weakness to be exploited. Let me get this asbestos suit on fast. |
Goddessatlaw | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 05:54 pm     I have yet to see any of them fall on their swords for the women in the house (actually, quite the contrary), so I don't think chivalry's an issue as far as this game goes. |
Zachsmom | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 05:56 pm     I don't think the HGs even know what chivalry is..much less use it.. |
Costacat | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 06:06 pm     I'm with Goddess on this one; I have seen no evidence that chivalry was even an issue as far as the game goes. --Eric very clearly said if he had to he'd vote to evict Lisa. -- Roddy swears he and Chiara weren't a couple. -- Marcellas has never shown himself to have an ounce of chivalry. -- Josh, if anything, was exactly the opposite of chivalrous. -- Gerry never really showed any evidence of chivalry, but then again he never showed any evidence against it either. -- Jason may actually be the closest to chivalrous of all the HGs, but I've not really seen him prove it one way or another. I don't think chivalry hadda be left at the door. I don't think this group HAD it to leave. And anyways, whyever would chivalry even be an issue in a game that someone intends to win? What would YOU do, Niceguy? Say "Oh, I'll throw my jacket to the ground and open the door so you can win?" <JOKING!> |
Draheid | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 06:08 pm     Speaking of Chivalry, Goddessatlaw: Have you made your weekly visit to the doghouse yet?  |
Goddessatlaw | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 06:11 pm     I spent yesterday waterskiing with my longtime onandoff BF as opposed to Mr. Marriage Material. This is what happens when Mr. Marriage Material tells lawyer jokes. Let him live and learn. PS see Niceguy? I have to be right, because Costa agrees. It's the Good Housekeeping seal of approval. |
Earthmother | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 06:12 pm     There is no place for chivalry, honesty, candor or any other gallant gesture in a game for big bucks. It would equate to stupid, stupid, stupid and just plain STUPID.. |
Zachsmom | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 06:14 pm     Hey Earthmother..ya think if they use chivarly..it might be kinda sorta stupid? |
Niceguy | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 06:26 pm     Men play harder against other men than they do with women. Thats an uncomfortable statement for me to make but history backs me up. This is a game show. Its not armed combat. Yet. The girly-girls:Tonya, Lori, Amy to a lesser extent Chiara weren't taken down by the guys(manly guys E,R,G & J) but by other women. Lisa got rid of Lori, Chiara pushed out Amy, Amy reversed booted Chiara. Amy and Marcellus got rid of Tonya. Marcellus booted Roddy, Gerry got rid of Eric and Chiara weirdly got rid of Josh. For all their talk in that house most of the evictions came down to same gender nominating and then expelling. Yes Roddy did nominate Amy but at the electric cattle prod insistence of Chiara. He went to great lengths to ease his conscience about that. Marcellus is the only one so far to switch hit(so to speak). |
Earthmother | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 06:34 pm     yep I sure do Zachsmom..Did I make my point clear enough? I didn't want it misinterpreted..lol |
Vanillarose | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 06:48 pm     Chivalry, schmivalry! I agree with Earthmother and her genteely-worded opinion.  |
What555456 | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 07:06 pm     Niceguy -- True enough. Men play harder with other men than they do with women. At least until.... I recall when one of my sons was playing roller hockey. Tough, rough game. He loved it -- typical boy. It is also co-ed, although few girls play it. The first time a girl entered the game with these youngs guys, it was obvious all the 10 yo boys were not quite sure how to handle this situation. They played hard against her, but held back hitting her too hard. At least they did until she blocked one of them as hard as any of the boys had ever done. I laughed to myself and thought "Good for you!" Believe me, from that point on, the boys were not reticent in the least to treat her as just another player. Nor was she reticent to fight back as hard as they fought. By the next game, no one cared who was male or who was female. All they cared about was playing well, hitting hard, having fun and winning the game. Just as it should have been. It was good to see. And proves that once the men realize they are up against a woman who will give them a run for their money, they will respond accordingly. |
Niceguy | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 07:25 pm     I'll completely believe that when I see a female NFL quarterback. I'm not trying to be a smartass. Progress comes in increments. |
Goddessatlaw | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 07:27 pm     Cragantler? Is that you? |
Puzzled | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 07:40 pm     Got to say, Niceguy, my daughters and I watched the women destroying each other with amazement and gnashing of teeth. |
Draheid | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 07:42 pm     Here's my image of chivalry!
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Willow_Woman | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 07:46 pm     Interesting thread. Actually I hadn't thought about it, but, yes, it was the women giving the other women the boot. Was it like this in BB2? Goddess, Mr. M. Material makes lawyers jokes---in front of you?!?! Sheese! Can you say tactless? |
Costacat | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 07:55 pm     Goddess, two things: 1. ROTFLMAO at your Cragantler post! 2. Of *course* I agree with you. You're always RIGHT! (But it's nice to know I'm the Good Housekeeping Seal! <snicker>) Niceguy, one thing: I don't think it's chivalry that comes in to play when it's women. And in the case of these women, I don't think it's really "get all the women out" strategy. Lori went cause Lori caused a scene. They get rid of people who make 'em uncomfortable first thing. Chiara and Amy had the Roddy-in-the-middle thing, so that's just plain jealousy (in my opinion). And Tonya? Well, since my momma told me not to say anything if I can't say anything nice -- and since the mods are watching -- I don't think I need to say any more. Tonya *needed* to go home! |
Niceguy | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 11:53 am     If they really were that uncomfortable Josh would've been gone first. That butt-slapping business. C'mon. Unless that's acceptable again and no one told me.LOL. I'm thinking about how Roddy went after Josh and Jason but knew Danielle was the Queenpin. He was tough on those two. He didn't want to look abusive to a woman. None of the guys do. That's what I'm getting at. When Roddy tried to work Marcellas, Danielle stayed to listen to the bulk of the conversation. It was like Dani suspected that Marc wouldn't be able to withstand Roddy's full court press interrogation. In the process Roddy had to soften his approach. JMO. |
Jello | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 11:58 am     I think the fact that the majority of bootees were initially women (er, more women went first; I don't mean anyone transgendered on us) is an indicator that chivalry was not a constraint on house behavior. That being said, I think there is a certain reluctance to hold Dani in the same light as Roddy, both on the part of the houseguests and the viewers, perhaps due in part to her motherhood. BTW, does chivalry mean behavior patterns of males, or does it refer to a more general, courtly mode? Curious. |
Curlyq | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 01:25 pm     Jello, I think chivalry in this case refers to the practice of giving special courtesy to women, though it also is a term for the old knight's code of honor (gallantry, courage, etc.). In regard to Will being courtly with Shannon, I don't think it's very chivalrous for the knight in shining armor to stand back while the fair maiden takes the blow of the lance for him. Roddy was trying to go after Danielle for weeks before he left. He just did it in his usual Roddy style, planting seeds of negativity in the others' minds and hoping they'll turn on her. I don't think he neglected to nominate her to avoid looking abusive. If that was a concern he would've been a lot more mindful of how he was treating Chiara and Amy. I don't think Roddy was forced to nominate Amy, although he knew it would please Chiara. Chiara expected him to get rid of Gerry that week, but he got all insulted when she dared to guess what he was planning, so he kept Gerry and went after Amy. Eric never had any qualms about getting rid of the girls' alliance, either. Jason has put up Amy twice. The men had no trouble voting Tonya out over Josh, and Roddy had no problem with trying to vote Lisa out in favor of Eric. I truly don't think chivalry is a problem here. |
Niceguy | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 05:11 am     We'll see next year. |
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