Loyal or Opportunist?
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TV ClubHouse: Archive: ARCHIVE THREE: Loyal or Opportunist?

Adrian

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Strategically, Lisa did the smart thing of not accepting Julie's $ offer,

BUT SMART FANS ON THIS BOARD, DO NOT LOSE YOUR FOCUS & GOOD ANALYSIS OF THE GAME, THAT SINGLE ACT IS NOT ABOUT HER BEING LOYAL, BEING HONEST & OR SHE HAS INTEGRITY IN PLAYING THIS GAME,

Fact: Julie's $ ($15K) offer that she refused is so small as compared to Marcellas possible $$$ ($50K to $500K) offer that she accepted in their failed coup plot alliance (HER BIGGEST ACT OF BETRAYAL & DISLOYALTY TO Jason & Dani)

Theory based on facts: Lisa refused Julie's $ offer because of their group's very open & close relationship, Lisa knew that J & D will know eventually. Marcellas' offer is something that she had been waiting in a long time and she knew that secret is safe since Marcellas is so mad and determined to beat J & D in their own game.

Jan

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It is certainly possible adrian. I am beginning to suspect there might be more to Lisa than she has shown so far.

But I do think she plays with her emotions as well...so maybe it was one part opportunist and 1 part loyal HG???

Wcv63

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Perhaps it was one part clueless?

Earthmother

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
or two, Wcv63..lol

Blossumtree

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
since eric left and we've gotten to know lisa better, well, as much as she will let us, i've come to feel that she is a sensitive and caring person, perhaps a bit naive at times but that doesn't make her dumb. as many people have said, she goes on emotion, cross her and she will react in kind but for the most part she doesn't appear to be a naturally aggressive person.

perhaps she really wanted to believe that the other hamsters wouldn't accept the cash. if so she had a rude awakening but if her intentions were truely honest then i feel it wouldn't be a bad thing to have more lisa's in the world today.

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that Lisa is a clear person to read, though it takes time, but she's a loyalist.

However, I do not know if her decision here was solely loyalty as much as it was that she also felt as she stated about putting a price on a loved one.

The fact that Lisa operated by loyalty and also her statement about "the good people deserving to win" tells me that she's very much a believer in collectivism. And that idea of collectivism makes it clear why she had no problem standing on her ground, counting what such decision would mean to others.

Crossfire

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not certain the right question is being asked here. Or it seems one question is being asked, but a different one argued. Something is not sitting right with me here. :)

This is what I think. I think the phone deal, was just plain honour or stupidity. (your choice) :)

Lisa's deal with Marcellas is an unrelated issue, and I don't see is as an 'upper case' hehehe, instance of betrayal & disloyalty.

Dani and Lisa had planned all along that they would start playing for themselves at some point.

Lisa intuitively or luckily (your choice), realized that waiting until the final three was too late, something was wrong.

The betrayal if any, is Dani offering people to join her in the final three while having a final two plan in place. But I am not going to hold that against Dani, that's just business. :)

The ultimate betrayal, would be Danielle having promised a final three finish to a group involving four people. She was really stuck on that one, there was no clean way out. Again, I don't hold that against her either. If all those people could not find the time over the summer to compare notes, then that is their own damn fault.

Dani left some evidence of double dealing out there in the open, but no one was smart enough to find it. What is really amazing, is that Marcellas, Jason, and Lisa all had questions as to what exactly was going on, but they all went to Dani to find out. Duh! Hehehe. In that respect, I don't know if she is amazing or even luckier than Amy. :)

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Adrian
Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:42 am "BUT SMART FANS ON THIS BOARD, DO NOT LOSE YOUR FOCUS & GOOD ANALYSIS OF THE GAME, THAT SINGLE ACT IS NOT ABOUT HER BEING LOYAL, BEING HONEST & OR SHE HAS INTEGRITY IN PLAYING THIS GAME."

It was about her being loyal and honest, and it does prove she had integrity when she chose to ignore the money. It says nothing about the other players, it speaks about HER sincerity.

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Isn't this a duplicate thread?

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Meggie. Some people on this board get a big thrill when they see their name at the top. They think it makes them look smart.

Krossd

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Adrian.... Marc did what he did out of arrogance, there is NO comparison to that and Lisa's thought process of wanting everyone to have a call. I'd call this a fact (too) but it is more of a gut feeling, an observation from having watched, and listened to her closely.

Of course she considered Marc's offer to align, why shouldn't she??! But it is also a 'fact' that she was thrown a curve by Dani in voting that week. (This is backed up, and not denied in her conv with Dani immediately following M's eviction. Dani basically admitted by what she said, and didn't say, in that conv. leading me (and others) to believe she hoodwinked Lisa to have that result.)

Tresbien

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Krossd, what you are saying is accurate as far as it goes, but I'd add one thing. I don't think Dani deliberately misled Lisa; I believe that Dani was truly shocked that Marc didn't use the GPOV. When the unlikely thing happened, Dani took advantage of the situation to do what she needed to do knowing that Jason would happily break the tie since he was the one in jeopardy from Marc.

Wendo

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tres, I agree, I think Dani (and the others) were STUNNED that Mar didn't use the veto. I think she was being honest with Lisa. Seriously, we all thought he would use it. Who in their right mind wouldn't take such an opportunity?

Adrian

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have no problem with Lisa winning this thing. After, Dani and Jason, Lisa deserves to win.

She has been playing this game very very well. In fact, Danielle may be the best player of the game but Lisa & Jason are doing all the right moves and look to be the smarter player than Danielle (re:their DR entries comparisons/strategies).

Whether she is an opportunist or loyalist, it doesn't matter because she is being at it at the right time and circumstances and for her own good to win the game. BUT PEOPLE, SHE IS NO DOUBT, "ACTING LIKE THE LITTLE DEVIL SISTER of THE OTHER BB DEVIL". :)

Anyway, Danielle and Jason are the masters of being both opportunists & loyalists at the right time. Lisa is learning a lot from them. :)

Again, GO JASON!Win it for DANIELLE!

Moderator

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This Topic is being discussed hereLisa mades some points last night with this Jason fan,,,
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