What strategy was Lisa talking about last night???
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What strategy was Lisa talking about last night???
Vanillarose | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:49 am     In last night's show, referring to Marcellas' eviction, Lisa said that it messed up her strategy, and left her stranded. I can't believe I missed something so strategically important, but I have no idea what strategy she was referring to! Can someone enlighten me? Thanks!!!! (edited for better clarity.) |
Secretsmile | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:52 am     If you are talking about the DR entry on the show, I believe she meant to take her and Marc to the final two. She probably believes Jason and Dani are threats. Which in my opinion they are. |
What555456 | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 07:59 am     As I recall, right before Marcellus was evicted, he and Lisa and reached an agreement (I don't know how strong) to watch out for each other against Dani and Jason. They both sensed, but did not know, that Jason and Dani were closer than they thought. Someone else may remember this better than I do. |
Crossfire | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:06 am     That sounds right to me. They seem to have clued in a bit late, that there was a sneaky power of two staring them in the face for the last two months and formed a block to look out for each other. Of all the people in the house, they should have figured this out one heck of a lot sooner. Instead they spent their time executing Dani's plans. I've been asking for at least a month, with posts like 'When is everyone going to smell the coffee' type posts when they would clue in. Not to say they were too late, but Marc the dipstick...he was soooo unreliable, he could not even rely on himself to vote properly to save his own ass. I knew all along he could not be relied upon, but that was exceedingly capitol S stupid. He has obviously never heard that a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. |
Jan | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:14 am     Marc actually figured it out and approached Lisa before last Thursday.(I can't remember which day..maybe Tuesday or Wed???) He told her that there was some kind of alliance between Jason and Dani and he felt that Lisa and Marc should form a team and oust Jason. Lisa wanted to know why he thought Jason was a bigger threat than Dani. Lisa seemed to insinuate that Dani was using reverse psychology on them...that she really has not been as bad in the DR as she says she has been. Lisa really seemed to believe that Dani was a bigger threat than Jason. But Marc won the issue and they agreed to win HOH this week and dump Jason. (so much for MArc saying he was betrayed by Dani and Jason. They were 100% right as he had every intention of dumping them!) |
Wcv63 | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:18 am     It was a last minute strategy. She waited till zero hour to get one and now that Marc has left the house she basically has only herself to rely on. |
Jan | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:23 am     true wcv but did you notice how suspicious Lisa is of Dani lately? When Dani mistakenly told her that Marc was furious that he had been nominated by Jason instead of Lisa...she said why would he think Jason should nom me and not you or Marc?? immediately perceiving the alliance that Marc had alluded to in their talk. I think Dani is doing stuff to make Jason look equally as guilty as Dani (eg making Jason cast the tie vote against Marc instead of telling the plan to Lisa)but Lisa is taking it personally. I no longer think Lisa will take Dani with her if she wins HOH. |
Secretsmile | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:23 am     IMHO Lisa looks scared half to death these past few days. She watched Dani and Jason vote out Marc, she's on the block and Amy gets time alone with Jason. To me she looks on edge and is constantly looking at Dani to judge her every statement. I thought it was rather telling last night on the feeds when she told Dani she would need to spend alot of time with the shrink when she leaves. |
Justshirley | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:29 am     It certainly was last minute strategy. Last-minute Lisa reactive-instead-of-proactive strategy. This girl just always seems to be one step too slow. But the strategy might well have worked if Lisa had just taken one moment to impress upon Marcellas that nothing must be left to chance at this stage of the game, that he MUST use the GPoV. |
Ptomaine | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:39 am     To clarify, At the point that Marc approach Lisa about a deal at F4 for them to get rid of either Jason or Dani (at that point, it seemed Jason was the target). Marc thought that Dani was in an alliance with him, and that Jason just have a preference for Dani over him (Marc). Marc did not realize that Dani and Jason were allied until he got evicted. Lisa suspects that Dani and Jason may have a deal of some sort, only after Marc left. She has yet to figure out that they have an alliance. There are recent transcripts that indicated that Dani informed Lisa about her alliance with Jason (I think this is inaccurate). From other transcripts on other site, Dani was telling Lisa about their alliance of 3, and not her alliance with Jason. Jason and Dani had a discussion about how they are still keeping their alliance a secret from Lisa and Amy. And we see Dani confirming this on Saturday(9-15)'s show, saying that she and Jason make the decision together. |
Cricket | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:43 am     Justshirley, you just hit it on the head regarding Lisa being one step too slow. That's what has been at the back of my mind. Thanks for putting it into words. When she was saying how surprised she was that Marci was to go, I couldn't believe it. For a few weeks now, she, Jason and Dani have been talking of putting Marci up as the decoy and voting him out. Sometimes she just seems a little dense. I can't always figure out her thought processes. I like her fine, but she does seem to be that one little step behind. |
Earthmother | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:49 am     Lisa made a deal with Marc. Her strategy (a little too late) was to have her and Marc go to the end together. He's the one who told her about the Dani/Jason bond, she didn't figure it out on her own. Now with this new info she's starting to pay attention and catch little things, but it's too late. If she doesn't win competitions she is gone, they aren't going to give her any info to help her. She isn't athletic (at least she hasn't proven it so far) so she isn't going to fare well against Dani or Jason in that department either. It's going to be 2 against 1 and odds are not in her favor. |
Jan | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 08:56 am     but I keep thinking Lisa may have been throwing those HOH comps. She did state early on when she won one that she was very good at memory games. She may just surprise us all..maybe with her, we need to expect the unexpected. |
Earthmother | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:00 am     To be good at memory games you have to know your subject. You also need to know when it's time to stop throwing competitions (if that is what you think she's doing) and know that this was the TIME to go for it. |
Jan | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:02 am     I'm not sure that I agree as,even though she lost, she is still safe Earthmother.Dani promised her the final 3..the next one (this Thursday)is the time to go for it. |
Earthmother | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 09:23 am     I agree Lisa is safe to come in third, Jan. I have no doubt that Jason will send Amy home this week, but I base my opinion on "who's the bigger threat." I don't see Lisa as much of threat to Dani or Jason at the end. Jason has made a point of getting to know each and every hg. He infiltrated their camps. I remember one time when Roddy and Eric were talking strategy and Lil' Ol' Jason was sitting right there in a chair listening to every word, and they totally felt safe...lol Jason has had heart-felt talks with almost every one of them..he's made a point of asking personal questions and been the voice of reason. This is what Dani can count on if the final comp has to do with knowing others. If by some stroke of luck Lisa gets into the finals with Dani I think she will take first, but if she gets in with Jason, I don't think she has the votes. She should have Roddy, Eric and Marc. If it's Lisa or Jason I think Chiara will vote for Jason, as will as Gerry, Tonya, Lori, Dani, Josh, and Amy. |
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