How Long Will It Be Before Will Need Medical Intervention
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Bernie

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 02:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You're right, Trulyscrumptious, it was a theatrical movie, but I saw it on TV-I hate going to the theatres because when people talk I can't hear-I have a hearing problem. I recall the end, too, it was moving. They did a very good job telling the story, and it was excellent that they ended it that way, as a sort of tribute to the dead, who saved their comrades in the losing of their lives. (Makes Marcellas look like a real piker!)

Misslibra

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 02:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Listening to Danielle right now telling her devil story, that she said she will one day tell her Grand Kids, I am thinking that Danielle have maybe lost it in the house. And Marcellas wont be the one needing medical intervention.

Bernie

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 03:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't connect to the feeds noway, nohow, tonight, so would anyone care to do some LFPs pretty please? I'm on my knees guys, begging!

Letmeinthere

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 04:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sia, I really enjoyed reading that. Thank you. You just never know what you'll learn coming to these boards! =))

Sia

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 04:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry, Creampuff. They WERE the Sierra Nevadas; I got on a Roddy-roll and was just gushing 'cause it's such an interesting story. You wouldn't believe the hardships they suffered! (Ever see "Treasure of the Sierra Madres?" I found that one a stinker.) I did not proofread any of my posts--unlike when I post an opinion! LOL, I really double-proof before I post anything that I think might be "controversial!" rotfl! The kids in one of the cabins tore strips off an animal-hide rug by the hearth and toasted them over the fire just to have something to chew on--and they were sneaking these little pieces gradually no one would notice. I mean, those people were literally starving to death. An American story worth reading about; I recommend pursuing it. Glad I wasn't boring you all.

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 04:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The Donner Party decamped from my hometown, so we grew up hearing the horror story around campfires and in schools. So much misinformation gets passed around that way that most from my area, although educated in the essential facts, aren't really clear which of the "urban" legends are true and which aren't. More recent revisitings of the subject have clarified and expanded on the experience of the Donner Party, but unfortunately I'm still left with the campfire horror story feel for it. It's been a long, long time since I read up on it. Thank's for the update, Sia.

Sia

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 04:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess, I've been meaning to thank you for your advice in the diet thread; I think it's starting to work! Your image of a potato skin filled with sugar has really helped me!! Thanks so much!

True, Goddess, there are some things that just aren't going to be known as fact. It's been too long now and the many, many books on the subject of the Donner party vary wildly as to some of the details. Some families (among the survivors) really disliked one another, and some wanted to place blame on certain people within the party.

The story was sensationalized quite a bit, but the bare-bones of the story are true: they were stuck in the snow, lost their livestock, and to survive (and not all of them did, certainly), several groups were forced to resort to eating human flesh to survive. The grisly, gruesome stories you mention were many, and can't truly be substantiated. (The story about the Breen family stewing a heart, e.g., couldn't be verified for 100% accuracy.) Also, many survivors chose not to speak of their ordeal after their rescue.

Can't you just hear teenagers asking if the video footage were "real" or not? That's what got me started; kids can be *so* unable to put things into historical perspective.

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 04:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ya, the early stuff we read in late grade school was essentially a condemnation of the actions of the party. Most of it didn't show much compassion for the survivors, and the fact that there remain local families descended from survivors and those who succumbed tended to stir the pot a bit. I tend to believe there are likely written family records of the ordeal which have yet to come to light for fear of the fallout. Funny about your teenagers - out of the mouths of babes.

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 04:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
PS I haven't even sniffed in the general direction of a potatoe since that tip was handed off to me, Sia. Who knew? Just GAG!!

Sia

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 05:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seriously, Goddess, your telling me about the potato has been the single most effective DETERRENT in my carbohydrates-war. Until a week or two ago, I thought my dietary enemy was FAT. A nurse practicioner told me otherwise, & I'm trying to follow her advice. I do feel better, but I do have some questions. You're doing "Atkins," is that right? I'm just getting started.

Well, certain actions on the part of certain people in the party DID contribute to their being in the situation in which they found themselves. They brought too big a wagon (one family did), didn't have enough supplies, followed a "shortcut" route that was unproven, just piddled along the way in some respects, did lose people unnecessarily (the murder over the oxen-whipping), and should have abandoned the big wagon much sooner in the salt flats, imo.

I have to give them credit, though: the wagon train would have set my sorry a$$ by the side of the trail and just left me a-wailin' in the dust, because although I'm OF hardy pioneer stock, I'm nooooo pioneer and am soft and out of shape. I can't do one-EIGHTH of the work that those women did. They were tough, brave, determined, and incredibly courageous. One baby even survived the ordeal. Can you imagine trying to nurse a newborn at any point through such a journey? No, I'm not tough enough. If it's "survival of the fittest," I'd not last long! Sad, but true.

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 05:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, I'm on Atkins as are Earthmother and a number of other posters. I'm surprised at how easy it has been to maintain, but I don't have to worry about having a carbivore in the house to torment me with bread and pasta. If you kick over to latenight or the Diet Tips threads, we pass tips back and forth quite a bit. PS why doesn't Marcellas just eat bread if he's so opposed to PBJ?

Sia

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 05:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess, here's my Top-10 list as to why Marcell-ass doesn't just eat bread if he doesn't like pb/j:
1)BECAUSE MARCELL-ASS IS A CANDY-ASS WHINER, Goddess, LOL!
2)He loves to make everything bigger than it needs to be.
3)He loves to hear himself get dramatic.
4)Maybe he thinks his time in the BB house is one big, long screen-test.
5)Because just EATING bread would be too simple.
6)Marcellas won't restrict himself to a bread-and-water diet during pb/j week because he's afraid someone will mistake him for his prison-b!tch!
7)If Marcellas eats bread, he'll get crumbs on his nice white, fluffy bathrobe.
8)Marcellas doesn't like to follow rules.
9)If Marcellas just went with the flow and ate the bread, he wouldn't have anything to complain about--without starting rumours, gossip, and back-stabbing sessions behind other hamsters' backs.
10)Marcellas is worried that a bread-only diet might mar his perfect complexion, ruin his boyish-figure, or otherwise change his perfect self to something-less-than-perfect.

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 05:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ROTFLMAO, Sia. So basically, what it comes down to is "Look at ME, look at ME, look at MMMEEEE!!!!" Dang, I hate that crap.

Sia

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 06:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Me, too. I used to like Marcellas when the series started. I never dreamed he'd change so drastically; I'm disappointed.

Back to the thread, though: so he has resumed eating, has he? And how long did Mr. Drama-Queen's hunger strike last, anyway?

Twiggyish

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 06:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, we're discussing FOOD, DIET and CANNIBALISM in the same thead! ..LOL (chuckling!)

Marcieb

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 06:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ONE more thing about cannabalism...Matt Stone & Trey Parker ("South Park" creators) did a film in film school called "Cannibal: The Musical" that I would definitely recommend for the strong of stomach. It's hard to get (my son waited 8 weeks for Netflix to get it to us) but pretty darn funny if you like parodies.

Let's see, to keep to the topic, I can't see Marcellas having the iron ones to last two days without food. In fact, he didn't as I believe he was eating spoonfuls of PB yesterday. The only medical intervention needed here will be from the psychiatric ward. 'Nuff said.

Nimtu

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 06:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Everything with Marcellus comes down to "Look at me". He and Danielle are really p*ssing me off - they are making me question how bad I thought Roddy was and that ticks me off. :)

Ericka1012

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 06:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He started eating because of two reasons:

1. The Hg's weren't giving him much attention because he wasn't eating.

2. Dani finally said "Oh Marc you skin is looking terrible because you aren't eating. You better eat.

Attention is unacceptable. Changing his PERFECT looks is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE!

Earthmother

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 06:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sia, I should not have read your "top ten list" after just waking up and having nothing but coffee in my mouth....ROTFLMAO, still...

Sia

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 06:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ericka, you've just confirmed what I suspected! That Marcell-ass is a real. . .well, um, I can't finish that sentence because I'm a lady. (--quoting white kitten Marie from "The Aristocats.")

Creampuff

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 07:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If anyone ever finds themselves traveling over Emigrant Gap, which is close to Donner Pass, be sure to make time to visit the Museum there. It is filled with numerous artifacts and much in the way of info relating to the Donner Party.

Might want to bring a PBJ sammich too in case you get the munchies!

Ericka1012

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Creampuff...LOL..and if your bring Marcy only bring enough for yourself...it'll take him weeks to realize his skin is looking bad..of course unless you feel obligated to tell him