Won't she nominate Jason?
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Lisad

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani's played a great game from the get go. And she's taken Jason right with her and never waivered from him. Seems determined & loyal so far and I expect that to continue. Even if she thinks he'll hurt her in the end.

I think besides her bashing - she cares about people and isn't evil. Did you see the look of pain on her face when Marcy gave up the GPOV and started crying? That vote against him wasn't easy for her. She's playing and she's playing hard. And I think Jason would be gone by now if not for her. Period.

And let's not forget what the instructions will be to the jury. Who played the best game. Why is this never brought up here?

Bcandscott

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, I think Dani will put up Amy and Lisa and Lisa will go. Lisa went against the plan by voting Amy to go this week and she put Jason in the position of having to sit there and say Marcellas, I'm sorry, but you are evicted, which he HATED. He will be the only vote. Lisa is gone.

That leaves Jason, Amy and Dani.

A) Dani wins HOH and chooses one of them to go with her to the end. If she is LOYAL, she takes Jason, if she wants to have even a remote shot at it, she takes Amy. I think either Amy or Jason will beat her in the final.

B) Amy wins HOH and gets to chose who to take with HER to the final two. It's a toss up at this point, but her date to the fair might be more extravagant if Jason has some extra cash so she MIGHT pick him. He will win. IF she picks Dani, I think AMY will win.

C) Jason wins HOH. He's got it made. He's won the game. I don't think either Dani or Amy can beat him. I do think he'll take Danielle to the finals and she will take second place.

Jason's chances are slightly better than Amy's chances because IF he wins HOH, he wins easily against either of the other two.

Letmeinthere

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 09:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Danni wants the $500K she knows she can't beat Jason. Her only hope is taking Amy to the finals. It'll be interesting to see how she acts as HoH. Maybe she will try to get rid of Jason this week but I think she'll wait and let someone else do it next week. She'll start planting those seeds this week. Wouldn't surprise me if she makes an alliance with Amy sometime soon.

Trulyscrumtious

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
While I wouldn't have said it quite so forcefully, lol, I completely agree with Woody.

The best thing about Dani is her steadfast refusal to go against Jason in any way, shape or form. She loses that, and she's got less of a chance of winning than a snowball has of surviving Hell. At least this way, maybe some of the evictees will feel that she has indeed played the better game and give her the money.

Who knows, I don't particularily want either one of them to win, lol. I am a HUGE Amy fan and want her to take it all. I can think of no better justice for her over those who couldn't find anything better to do with their time than sit around and bash her...INCESSANTLY!

amy

What555456

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The one constant in all of Dani's actions has been her alliance with Jason. Over and over again she has said it, acted on it, focused on it. She will NOT nominate him.

And the idea he can beat her in the finals? I don't think that is such a foregone conclusion as some of you think. First, everyone will see her as perhaps the best player this game has ever seen. Second, they will see her complete and total support with Jason. For any of those who place a premium on loyalty -- this can sway their vote.

At the same time, while I believe Dani, like all the others, wants the $500,000, I also believe she will be very happy with the $50,000. Taking Jason to the finals is not as big of a threat to her as many of you seem to think.

Eden

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle will take Jason to the finals to her demise. 2nd place will be sour when she is the one that GOT him to this place. She has taken all the brunt of the effort while he played "mr nice guy". Jason doesn't deserve to win. The ONE time Danielle asked him for something he didn't deliver because it wasn't easy. To my mind she is the one player who has been TRUE the entire game. Her allegiance was to JASON and has NOT wavered! If Danielle doesn't win this game is all about USING and not playing! It will be like "The Weakest Link", which was no fun because the BEST player rarely WON! jmo

Cathie

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 10:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Unless Amy/Lisa wins the next HOH. Don't rule that one out yet.

Northstar

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cathie, I was thinking along the same lines. It seems Amy slightly edges out Lisa in comps. Jason needs to keep that in mind with his vote.

Goddess146

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shortly after the feeds came back on after Dani won the HOH, Jason wispered to her "Don't put me up." She did NOT give him a firm response in either direction.

Janekat0629

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani has only played better than the rest of the knuckleheads - which isn't saying much!!!

She is very good at dealing with people and manipulating them but is only good with short term strategizing. She screwed up by not thinking about the votes in the end. This should have been somewhat easy by just keeping her mouth shut and not harping about the evictees. If she were really that brilliant she would have pulled a "Nicole" - acting upset about all of the evictees and saying nice things about them.

Muse

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Danielle's allegiance to Jason has never wavered, I don't think she would have told all the HGs that he's a threat in the final two this past week. And I think she would have at least tried to win HOH before this week, rather than leaving it up to him to do all her dirty work.

But while I think Danielle has pushed a lot of responsibility onto Jason and said a few things to others that might hurt him in the game, she's never outright betrayed him. So I don't think she'll nominate him this week, and I think both of them would take each other to the final two if they win the last HOH. Of course, I'm not positive that Danielle would try to win if she thought Jason was winning, or if she felt confident that the other person would take her to the final two, so...

Wendo

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 11:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"If she were really that brilliant she would have pulled a "Nicole" - acting upset about all of the evictees and saying nice things about them."

Well, this isn't very good advice since Nicole didn't win. LOL!

Muse, I think she did that because she was trying to put distance between them (Dani/Ja) with the other HG's if she didn't win HOH, in the hopes they wouldn't have been nominated together. If only one was nominated, then the other would be casting the vote (keeping each other in.) JMO.

Groucho

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just can't see Dani nominating Jason this week. Not because she's loyal to him, but just because it's bad strategy.

She has to know that Lisa is almost as big a threat as Jason for the final vote. So getting rid of Lisa is just as good a move from that point of view.

Plus, I think she's more assured of being in the final two if she keeps Jason than if she gets rid of him. She knows Jason will take her to the final two. Can she really be sure that Lisa will, especially if Lisa is choosing between Dani and Amy as her final vote competition?

Plus, as others have pointed out, a flat-out betrayal of Jason would look horrible both to the jury and to the remaining HGs.

So I think she'll just get rid of Lisa and hope for the best.

Mrdisguise

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
QUOTE:
"Danielle will take Jason to the finals to her demise. 2nd place will be sour when she is the one that GOT him to this place. She has taken all the brunt of the effort while he played "mr nice guy".


I disagree. Danielle and Jason are an alliance- they worked together. Danielle has also played Ms. Nice Woman.

Danielle is the one who told Josh and Amy not to give up, etc. Danielle has been supportive and funny in the house. but then she goes to the Diary Room and talks bluntly.

Jason or Danielle both deserve to win.

Twnkltz425

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 05:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dani planting the seeds of doubt the in the other HG's eyes is just her way of ensuring she is one of the Final 2. I don't think it matters who goes this week. I think she will throw HOH, because if she doesn't, she will be forced to take Jason to the Final 2. If Jason gets HOH, he will take Danielle. If Lisa/Amy get HOH, they would be smart to take Danielle also.

Bkmac

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 06:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I doubt she'll put him up- even her vote to oust Marcellus comes back to protecting Jason.

50K is nothing to laugh at- Im sure she knows theres a LOT of risk in going against Jay in the final 2, but really- who wouldn't be happy about collecting 50k as a worst case scenerio??? (not to mention all the stipend money thats collected by then!)

Efilon

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 06:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"And let's not forget what the instructions will be to the jury. Who played the best game. Why is this never brought up here?"

Do the jurors really get instructions? I could be wrong but I didn't think so. Are the reality shows getting mixed up? BB is more of a popularity contest than a survival show. I don't think there's anything about outplaying or outwitting in the BB logo...although it's kind of a given. But! I really think on this show they can vote for whomever they like better.

JMO

Crazydog

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 07:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Is Lisa gone? Don't Dani and Jason have a deal with Lisa to bring her to the final three? But I'm afraid that both Dani and Jason think Lisa is more dangerous in the HoH competition and will eliminate her. Unfortunately, since only Jason will be able to vote, Lisa will blame Jason. Danielle will apologize, saying that someone had to go up and it wasn't her fault.

Pesto

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 07:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that Dan and Jas will ATTEMPT to get to the final 2 together. And I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that Jason will beat Danny. No one is out of this yet though. Depending on whether Lisa or Amy gets the boot this week, the remaining one can win HoH and doom Dan or Jas, right? That's why it will be important for both Jas and Dan to continue to play Amy and Lisa.

Regarding the jury vote:

In BB1, Eddie won on sympathy, not game play
In BB2, Will won on game play (allegedly :) )
And in survivor contests you had a mix also (e.g., Hatch for gameplay, Tina for luck/gameplay). No matter what we have heard from outside the house, on chats, etc., we really can't be sure how the evicted HGs will vote until the end... (I have a strong suspicion though that if Dan makes it, she will get credit for good game play, but I'm biased by now.)

Romans8_1

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 07:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani has 2 hard fast "words" going on right now

1) To take Jason to the final 2
2) to take Lisa to the final 3

I think she will play on these 2 promises with Jury. She say she only gave her "word" twice and kept both of them. She evicted and lied in the context of the game and that she played the better game

Will this win it for her? Who knows, but I think he final speach will go something like that.

Does anyone remember Danielle ever giving her "word" to Marci about taking him to final 2/3. She said she would, but did she give her "word".

I'm not defending her, I'm just trying to follow her logic.

Poser

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 07:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
All of the hamsters are obsessed with their "word".

This is ridiculous. The whole idea of the game is to back-stab you way to $500K. You can't get to the finals without ejecting 10 other players.

Will won because he didn't keep his "word". Nobody trusted him and they all figured he couldn't win because he was untrustworthy. Bunk, I say, Bunk! All of these reality show juries seem to respect craftiness and sneakiness that succeeds.

If Dani stabs Jason in the back (by nominating him), she might actually gain some votes. Jason has been the sneakiest of them all. They all have known that Dani was a manipulator for some time. Jason was just a nice guy, until last night.

Pesto

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 09:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Some food for thought for all the "Dani/Jason til death do us part" posse (of which I am a part):

The one thing I am sure of is that:
DANI IS NO COLBY. [Mental note: great name for a new thread.]

Assuming Lisa gets the boot this week, and Dani wins the next HoH (2 big if's), Danni will have to think through the decision of who she should take to the final 2: Jason or Amy.

Dani has already stated: "[pp] I am here first and foremost for my family and I want/need the money." I think she will clearly pick the person who (she thinks) she has the best chance against to win the whole thing. I make no judgment yet whether this person is Jason or Amy, not withstanding the fact that many people on the board think that the best choice would be Amy.

On one hand she could bring Jason to the finals and say "I played this game first and foremost for the benefit of my family. From the beginning, I played this game well by choosing an alliance with Jason and I have stood by him from the beginning. I love you all and have not taken or done anything personal in voting because this is a game and that is how I played it. In my DR sessions I have been open and honest and I hope you can respect that. I love all of you and am looking forward to continuing our relationships on the outside. Inside this house, I feel I can say that I played the game well and strong and that I deserve to win. Thank you." (or something similar)

She could also pick Amy and say "I am first and foremost playing this game for my family. I love Jason and we were allied from the beginning, just as all of us tried to make alliances in playing this game to our advantage. This is a game and not personal, but I have to choose the person I feel I have the best chance against in winning this game and that is Amy because she was not in the house as long as us, and she has done well already (hint hint the $10k). I feel I have played the game well and deserve to win. Regardless of what happens, I look forward to continuing our relationship on the outside, especially with you Jason. Thanks." [keeping Jason's vote. :)]

She will pick based on whatever she thinks her best argument is. Jason or no Jason...

I still think her best chance is with taking Jason to the finals...

Duchess

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with the person who said Dani is sticking with Jason due to the fact that she knows no one can win against Jay. No one, including herself. Based on the way she has engineered the two of them to be in the final two, I believe that they're planning to split the money. Dani has ferociously outlined her focus and goal to get the money, I don't think she will settle for second prize and consciously place herself in a position to be beaten by Jason IF there was no hidden arrangement for a fair reward in the end.

Battlestar

Friday, September 13, 2002 - 11:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
after the taxman has their part of the winnings--there will be only around $250,000.

If she gives some to Jason (not allowed in the rules) that taxman will then take part of that also.

I don't believe she'd be willing to feed the taxman