Does Dani Have Any Chance at first place?
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Does Dani Have Any Chance at first place?
Battlestar | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:18 am     Colby didn't get extra points from the Jury for staying with his loyalities |
Woodpecke® | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:23 am     The worst reason for saying someone will win BB 3 is because they DESERVE it. I hate that. |
Beserkknight2 | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:27 am     As for Dani and the jury, remember how she has reacted when confronted...the hygiene problem with Gerry when she went off on Lori with VERY little provocation. She can't hold her own against this jury if they probe at all. Anyway, I don't think she could win against any of them including Amy. |
Jimmer | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:31 am     With respect to comments that “Danni played the best game so she deserves to win”. Isn’t that rather circular logic? |
Earthmother | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:37 am     The only mistake Dani has made in this game is demoralizing hgs. IMO that's one big mistake. She can say "it's not personal, it's just business" all she wants, but she took it to a personal level and they won't forget that. Dani would have difficulty taking 1st place against any of them. People are people and when you attack them personally, they will keep it personal. The one reason I want Jason to go to the finals with Dani is that it will be a landslide for Jason and I don't want him dinged by the jury for his allience with Dani. |
Smowen99 | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:40 am     NO NO NO NO NO!!!!! At the end, everyone will see just how manipulative and back stabbing Dani is and they will nominate the other. In my opinion I hope it is Lisa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Alaginger | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:44 am     I don't agree that at this point it is better to keep Amy rather than Lisa. Amy has proven herself over and over and over again to be very competitive, very talented, and very Gawl-durn lucky!!! I think Danielle and Jason both have a better chance beating Lisa when the 3 finalists go head to head. Of course, Lisa could come out of that shell and surprise a whole bunch of people...as long as they don't do a motion-sickness thing. |
Maryk | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:47 am     Exactly Jimmer, the game doesn't end in getting to the final 2, you should have played the game of not burning your bridges with the evicted houseguests. She has made many personal attacks against the evicted houseguests after they already left the house. That will be her undoing. |
Wrat1010 | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:09 am     I don't think it's going to be easy... but I think she could very well pull off a win if a "necessary evil" argument. Hasn't her strategy all along been to be the "bad guy" in her partnership alliance? There have been a few hints during the game that she is aware of how she will be perceived, and not just recently, but from the start. Weeks ago she made some comment that her father (the minister) told her that some of the most evil people in the world are the ones sitting in church. She could also ask each of the jury how many of them would be courageous enough to face off against Jason in the final, which was her strategy from the start. Tell them all to look into their hearts and admit that they would have voted Jason out at the first opportunity. I dunno -- it will be a hard sell -- but I think she has a slim chance at eking out a victory over Jason, if the jury rewards her for her bravery and risk-taking, and if her speech succeeds in absolving her of the hypocrisy that she practiced because it was a necessary evil. |
Bailey | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:12 am     There's not enough words in the universe to change the juror's mind with a final grandiose speech. Her sum and total of it will be "nothing I ever said was personal, just business". Dani calling Roddy the devil ad nauseum was personal. Dani calling Tonya an unfit mother was personal. Dani calling Gerry some of the most vile names is personal. I can go on and on with each houseguest.. but you get the point. I can't see how anyone of them could admire her "game play" after she got so vindictive.... and she's the one that made it personal.. not them. |
Wendo | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:32 am     Cousin_Jake said, "Dani's best chance of winning would be against Amy and I think she knows that (they all do) but from the discussions on the feeds the plan is to keep Lisa. I don't quite understand their logic here as they have a better chance against Amy than Lisa." Because Dani gave Lisa her word that Lisa would make it to the final three. That's why. I think Dani is well aware that she has a very little chance at the half mill. You can tell by the way she talks about it and the evicted HG's. She knows that she has made enemies. But she promised Lisa and she's going to honor that promise. But, it's always been about trust and loyalty for Dani. With Lisa, she trusts her and feels she's been loyal (though she wasn't the last week with Mar.) Mar would still be there today had he not betrayed Dani's trust and confidence. That's why she voted for his eviction. |
Jan | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:37 am     well said, wendo. |
Zeyna | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:50 am     Dani said on the show yesterday that she'll keep her ears open when it comes to a decision between Amy and Lisa...Amy is going for the moment, but if anything changes Lisa may go - this is what I understood from her comment. But this is very funny because Jason is the one with the vote, and really, at this point, Jason needs to pick the third person to best serve his interests. The common goal Dani and Jason had no longer exists. The only reason Dani would choose Amy to stay over Lisa is if she feels Lisa is less likely to take her to the finals, but this ultimately means that it's less likely for Jason to be in the final. I hope that Jason does not let Dani influence him one way or another this time because anything that benefits her at this point will hurt his own chances. Edited to add...should have posted above in another thread. Just to keep on topic..Dani will have a very hard time winning first place. If most vote based on strategy, she may have a chance, but personal feelings will outweigh strategy IMO. |
Niceguy | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:50 am     If that was her whole plan to help someone else to the grand prize then she did very well. |
Puck1021 | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:16 pm     I just watched a movie titled "A Knights Tale" I highly recommend it to anyone. There is a line in the movie that applies to Dani. "You have been weighed, you have been measured and you have been found absolutely wanting." The only person in the house she could have beat she voted out last week, if she had taken Marc to the last 2 she might have had a chance, but with the ones that are left she has no chance at first, very little chance at second and a good chance at third, no money. |
Earthmother | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:50 pm     That's exactly right Puck...she got rid of the only one who has been more demoralizing than herself. Her strategy for getting them evicted and making it this far is exactly what will be used against her at the end, no matter who is sitting next to her now. I just wish she could have found a better way to get them evicted than by the negative comments she made, and by continueing the nasty comments even after they left, seems to me a good game gone bad. |
Wendo | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:28 pm     Zeyna, LET Jason decide? They decide things together, they've both said so many times now. And, when Jason has made his own decisions (His first noms; not nom Roddy) she didn't even get on his case. She said she respected his decision. Jason is not some schlub who is a shill for Dani. Give the guy a little more credit. |
C1mag | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:50 pm     Earth I love your comments and you seem to watch the feeds as much as I do so I'm gonna ask ya... What demoralizing comments has Dani made? Please don't use the devil comment as an example. It has been a joke and never literal. Marcellus and a couple of others have laughed at it. She has repeatedly said she admires and respects Roddy. She was disgusted at what he did too Amy. Thats cool with me because on the flip side he called Dani a scumbag and a b@tch just for getting Amy to nominate him instead of Jason. The comment about Tonya being a bad mother has also been misunderstood. She said it after Tonya told her that she concieved all 5 of her children while under the influence of drugs. Now what parent wouldn't think that was the stupidest thing a parent could say while the world was watching? I myself would tell her that. Don't forget that Gerrys wife has already said that she too had a problem with Gerrys hygiene habbits. I sure have heard many of them take a jab at Gerry for his lack of hygiene. Just not Dani. It was nice but she sure wasn't the only one. Marcellus is the one that viciously attacked Gerry. In fact she told Marcellus to let up on it several times. Lets not forget Lisa and her commment about Gerry being a pedifile. Now that is demoralizing as are Marcellus' comments. I hope people do realize that it was not Dani who brought up that Roddy wasn't a man of God. It was Gerry. Anyway... It's like I said... I'm still trying to find something demoralizing she has said. That she generated all on her own. I think maybe a non fan or two of hers took it upon themselves to give her comments a twist. Sometimes that happens. Also, how could playing the game ( any strategy to get someone nominated and evicted other than yourself ) be heald against her as a bad play? Simply because she didn't suck up to them she played it bad? Isn't that just a deceptive? Did she spit on someone when I wasn't looking? Is she suppose to appologize for getting people evicted? Was she suppose to play for someone else? Was she suppose to walk up to the person targeted for eviction and say... "hey, you're going this week" Yeah that would have been accepted by someone like Marcellus who had every intention of getting her booted. I'm just curious how her game became so bad on issues that have either never happened or have been over played. Negativity within this game has occured and been delved out by all of them except maybe Lori. The issues that should count seem to be underscored. Plane and simple she has controled many evictions her own destiny and that of her fellow alliance member yet it's all underscored because she was negative at some point. I dont get that reasoning at all. She Did it so well that some are coming out of the house shocked at how hard she has been playing. What was she suppose to do? What could she have done differently. She learned early on that no one wanted to form an alliance with her. She sat back and waited. She explained this too Roddy. She assumed she was going at about number three. She then had a choice. Play the game for herself which would include lying or sit back and wait to be evited. She chose the first one and she is still in there headed for top 3. Seems like she played better than most of them. I swear I'm not targeting you in a negative way but rather a positive one. I enjoy your posts and find them always direct and indepth so I just wanted to know if I missed the moment where she has sunk so much lower than the others. Sorry for the ramble  |
Zeyna | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:50 pm     Wendo, all I'm saying is that this particular decision cannot be mutually beneficial, and should not be decided together. But Dani did imply that she has some sort of say in who stays or goes...good for her, but may be bad for Jason. There is a huge difference in respecting Jason's decision a few weeks back vs now, it's a difference between Dani getting to the final 2 or not. Do you believe that Dani would not try in any way to influence Jason's decision IF she thought Lisa would take Jason to the final? |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:12 pm     "Please don't use the devil comment as an example. It has been a joke and never literal." I've read variations on this "joke theory" over and over and I have made an observation about it a couple of times that has never been addressed. If this was just a joke in Dani's mind....was Dani joking with God in her prayers when she prayed for God to "help her defeat this devil"? Since she is supposed to be a devout christian, I find it odd that her prayers are considered insincere "jokes". Which is it....are Dani's devil comments about Roddy and her prayers to god a joke...or are Dani's devil comments about Roddy and her prayers to god serious? I kind of doubt that Dani would make her prayers to god a joke,, unless her christian claims are just a strategy... Just askin'.... |
C1mag | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:15 pm     Hmmmm... I've never heard Dani do that. I've seen her performing for people and making a joke about praying to God in regard to her devil but I don't think she has ever sat there alone, clasped her hands and done that. Could be wrong but can't verify she did that. Maybe you thought it was literal and she was just joking. |
Landi | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:17 pm     danielle has a 3-1 odds of winning, as do jason and whomever he picks to go with the two of them into the final 3. interesting odds for $500,000. i think i'd take them any day. should she or jason win the next head of household, her odds go to 2-1...wow... |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:20 pm     I read awhile back that Dani did indeed kneel at her bed and say a prayer like that one night. It was in a thread, not a LF post, but it was weeks ago and I don't remember which thread I first read it in. I have read a few mentions of it since then and it was never disputed.... Anybody know the exact origin of this statement? I did not see it myself and I'm curious.... |
Gina8642 | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:23 pm     I've never seen her kneel at her bed, but I've seen Dani pray many times. She is rather 'traditional' in her poses. I wouldn't be surprised if she kneeled at her bed. Every one prays in there own way. If it works for her, why not? |
Jaysgal | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:47 pm     "I hope people do realize that it was not Dani who brought up that Roddy wasn't a man of God. It was Gerry. Anyway...." C1mag, please can you cite your source? I have not read or seen that before (per Gerry's words). Can you please give reference to what live feed date it was? I would like to look it up. I'm really curious. Thanks in advance. C1mag, it still puzzles me that you go to any measure to defend Danielle's every action. I mean, it's fine. What I just cannot understand is the inherent inconsistency when it came to Roddy. You argued that Roddy's code of ethics in playing this game (i.e., that it was okay to screw with people's mind) was absolutely, under all circumstances, unjustified and that he merited name calling (e.g., "emotional rapist"), yet any attachment to Danielle as a control freak, gossip, etc. is tramped on and called illogical. When it comes to Roddy, there's suddenly a code of ethics. But Danielle's moves are seen as fine and intelligent because it is simply a game with no ethical boundaries. Danielle's critics are asked to mention a fact such as x, to justify why she's a control freak. But when x is given, it is still said that the conclusion that she's a control freak is irrational and stems from no basis at all. Basically, you are asking for some abstract or divine truth about Danielle. Again, it would seem to me that every opinion about Roddy and Danielle are simply opinions and speculation. There is no such thing as truth at the moment since we cannot be in each of their minds to read them. The same applies to opinions about Roddy. He admitted that he plays minds, but if you wish to base your conclusions on what the suspects say, then we would never know the truth. And despite his admission, he never defined himself as a sociopath or found his conduct unethical. The same applies to Danielle. She's admitted before about her true nature of "delegating" activities to people ... but she never explicitly described herself as a "control freak". Once again, it boils down to opinions. Opinions about people are subjective. We could all witness the same event but interpret them differently, according to our personal experiences. There's a truth somewhere there, but it is not one that we can independently confirm. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:54 pm     Jaysgirl all that is very true. Perception is everything. Life experiences also brings something to the table when dealing with individual interpretation and perception. I didn't like the way that Roddy exploited people emotionally and mentally. I also find some of Dani's trash talk indefensible but because of other qualities I admire in her I am more willing to let it go. Personally I didn't admire much when it came to Roddy. I did have a healthy respect for his abilities...but admire...no. So my opinion is nothing more that. My opinion. |
C1mag | Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 04:44 pm     Hmmm Jay look for the time when Josh and Roddy were on the block and Dani was out back with Gerry thinking about evicting Rod over Josh. If they have recorded it you will find the god comment there. Now as for your take on me defending Dani and the suggestion that I don't think she has been a gossip. In fact I do think she has been a gossip. I do think she has been verbally harsh. However, not at the level some are suggesting. Roddy on the other hand to me was vicious. He had his own rules to the game and was demanding that the house play by his rules. He kept saying he was the most ethical and honest in the game and therefore should remain in the game. It was too much for me to take. Especially after telling many that Jason was a liar and then never admitting to it. The man was diabolicle when he picked his target. He actually told Josh not to campaign against him when they were up on the block together. Had the nerve to play with amys emotions so that she would fall on the sword for him and couldn't let up on it as if she owed him something. His attempt to suggest that anyone who lied in the house would be branded a liar in society was eye rolling to me. I found it hella nervy. These are all specific things he did. That dude even would ask people to go in the dr and say something nice about him if they had said negative things about him. Now you want a definition of a control freak theres one right there. Dani does something Roddy would never do. In her dr and now on cam in front of the others she admits to trash talking and lying. Roddy still feels he was the most honest and ethical in the game. There is the difference between the two. As I just said... There is no question that Dani trash talked but to my recollection not at the level being protrayed by some. I keep asking for proof that merrits the level of negativity she is recieving and yet there isn't any. I can give direct examples of Roddys crapfest. Thats the difference to me. |
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