Archive through September 07, 2002
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Jason is the real mastermind- write the cheque out now!:
Archive through September 07, 2002
Jan | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 10:13 am     It occurred to me today that Jason has not been wishy washy after all! On the contrary, he has known exactly what he is doing. He is friends with every person who is , or has been, in the house. He has never really said a bad word about anyone. He has played Roddy's game of charm and added a big dose of innocence. When he is considered part of the final 2, there is only one person who could ever have beat him...you guessed it, Roddy. He has let Dani do all the dirty work of getting the two of them to where they are now without ever getting anyone really mad at him. Last time he was HOH, he knew that only 2 housemembers would nominate him...Gerry and Roddy. After his conversation with Gerry, he was still uneasy. After his conversation with Roddy, he knew there was no danger of a nom in that quarter, so Roddy was not an immediate danger to him. So Jason knew that , for his own safety (not for Dani but Jason was his first priority), the better move was to oust Gerry and leave Roddy for another day. He wasn't manipulated by Roddy. Hindsite shows us that he read the situation properly and acted accordingly. He got Gerry ousted first and then Roddy. Now there is no one between him and the money. If he can make the final 2, he will hands down beat every other person left. There is no combination that leaves him in second place. He is in charge now. He even won HOH (although he said he would throw it) to ensure he gets to decide the final 4. He has complete faith in his partner Dani's honesty. The only way he can lose is if Dani acts on her new found realization that she can't win against him. How she never realized that before is beyond me. Will she betray him or should they write him the cheque now? |
Jaysgal | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 10:20 am     Jan, I will agree with you only if Jason wises up and puts up Danielle and in a way that guarantees her departure. If he doesn't, he is doomed. It will be another Hardy/Nicole going on. People see him as a threat too, as he's proven capable of winning HOH often. If he doesn't wise up, he's gone. |
Jan | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 10:28 am     But Jaysgal, Jason's personality (assuming the one he has shown us is the real one) would never allow him to nom or vote out Dani. He made an agreement with her at the beginning. He cannot be seen to break that agreement. It would not go with his professed beliefs at all. The best he could do would be to allow someone else to get rid of her but I think that it is too late for that. The only way she can be ousted, since he can't nom or vote to evict her, is if the HOH at the final 4, noms him and Dani. (He can't nom her if he is HOH, he can't vote to evict her if he is the sole person to vote as part of final 4) But if he is nommed against Dani, why would anyone keep him? They know they can't beat him but they can beat her. He has to control the noms from here on just to ensure he is not nommed. Other than that he has no reason to care who goes. |
Draheid | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 10:35 am     Just a thought: With the accusations by certain former HG's (and a few mentions by current HG's), Jason winning could be conceived as UNFAIR since it is perceived that he is much more of an expert at this game than anyone else. I wonder if this couldn't end up working against him in the end? JMO - FWIW |
Secretsmile | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 10:36 am     Draheid, you just like stirring the pot! LOL! |
Draheid | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 10:43 am     Secretsmile: Not trying to stir the pot. IMO, the attitudes exhibited by most of the HG's both current and former seems to me that they might not think logically in the final vote. Scenario #1: The jury resents that they were played by Jason better than anyone else, blame it on the fact the he had an UNFAIR advantage on how to play the game, and therefore vote AGAINST him... Scenario #2: The Jury resents it, but logically conclude that this was the best gamesmanship and votes FOR him... Based on the overall attitudes by the HG's thus far, I fear they will go with #1. JMO - FWIW |
Jaysgal | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 10:45 am     I really think Jason has not fully recovered from his decision to evict Roddy. I think that it's getting to him. On Thursday even he was starting to criticise Danielle and a few others. I think he is second guessing himself. He is thinking he didn't make the best of decisions. He may be starting to realise the similarity between Hardy/Nicole and Jason/Danielle. Again, the only way to redeem himself would be to put up Danielle. The best way to secure it is to put up Danielle and Marcellas. If Marcellas wins POV, then he'll save himself. If Amy wins POV, then she'll save Marcellas or no one. If Lisa wins POV, she'll leave it as it is. He would also play hard for the POV so Danielle doesn't get it. And then Lisa will vote to evict Marcellas and Amy will vote to evict Danielle. And then Jason breaks the tie: vote to evict Danielle. Then next week if Marcellas wins HOH, he'll be less likely to nominate Jason. He'll probably nominate Lisa and Amy. Jason can vote to evict either Lisa or Amy. It won't matter that much. Or even if Marcellas nominates Jason, he'll nominate Lisa too. Marcellas does not like Lisa and she would have voted to evict him, so he'll talk Amy into evicting Lisa. Amy also knows that Lisa was the supposed reason that Roddy would not have voted to save her. Amy also knows that this means that if she makes it to the end with Lisa, Roddy would persuade most houseguests to choose Lisa for first prize, instead of Amy. The last competition, they all get to compete. I expect Jason to win the competition and pick who to evict. I suppose he would choose to evict Marcellas. But either way, he would have a better chance. This is the best gave Jason could play. But I'm not sure he'll do it. P.S. Jan, mind you, he also made an agreement with Roddy but still had no problem evicting him. He's also acting irritated around Danielle. His move would be justified since she's been planting seeds and has different alliances with different people. |
Patman | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 10:54 am     Supposedly before Jason went into the house, he and his father went through mock situational workouts so he would be able to withstand the emotional/psychological pressures inside the house. Plus, he's a wannabe actor, so I think he's been doing quite a bit of acting for each houseguest's sake. Add that to his easy out as a virgin to keep himself sequestered (playing cards) to pass the time, he hasn't had many chances to really piss someone off like others in the house. Having Amy in the house is a godsend for Jason because it takes the spotlight off him and others. Jason's played a good game. He and Lisa are the two I'll be rooting for because the other 3 are just not worthy. |
Jan | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:08 am     more to the point of his not being a puppet but rather the puppet master, this from life feeds when Jason is talking about his anger over the loss of food in the food competition: "Jason says, That’s the most difficult thing ever. It’s part of human nature. I’m a control person— " |
Jaysgal | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:12 am     Yeah, I saw that, Jan. I thought that was weird coming from him. If he's a control person, then he should have the guts to put up Danielle. Or maybe the real control freak, Danielle, has convinced him that he is the control person. He could be revolting slave. |
Rolandcat | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:22 am     jan, I said the same thing in another thread. Earlier in the game, he showed his frustration with hoq Dani played some card game. he said he had to walk away so he would not yell at her. As i said in another thread... IMO Jason is an Alpha-Male, control freak with Christian beliefs and southern manners. Push him hard enough and he will lose it. |
Janekat0629 | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:25 am     Jason had better come to the realization that Danni is not very loyal and that he may be on the block. I think he may be lunch meat next week. He will most likely be nominated next week and perhaps voted out. |
Blossumtree | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:31 am     if jason is indeed letting dani do his dirtywork then she is also doing the same to jason by intentionally throwing HOH competitions. this is jason's second time at bat as HOH and I'm sure dani couldn't be more pleased. |
Secretsmile | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:35 am     Draheid, I was trying to tease you, I in no way meant my comment to belittle your thoughts, I apolgize for any insult! Liz |
Rolandcat | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:38 am     I do think they will keep thier word to each other (Jason & Dani). I also thought that Jason said when they both won the firswt question of the HOH game that they both looked sideways at each other (thinking what do we do now?) since they had agreed they both were going to lose. Jason thought that Dani did not want it so he said to himself, OK I will go for it. I do think Dani realizes that she will not win the $500,000 against anyone. She went down the picture wall last night saying, NO..NO..NO..NO. I wonder if in some way J&D have a deal to share the end prize. For tax purposes, you can gift $10,000 a year to anyone. BB cannot control that and how would they know? |
Jan | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:41 am     so do you think 1)Jason is a control person who has done an excellent job of manipulating Dani and the game...and making the right decision to oust Gerry first and then Roddy (ie was not manipulated by Roddy at all) or 2) is he Dani's wishy washy puppet whom Roddy dazzled with his footwork for a short time or 3) somewhere in between? If so, where in between I don't so much care in this thread about what happens to Dani ...I am more interested in Jason's characteristics. |
Maris | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:44 am     I think Jason likes his world to be orderly and doesnt like the idea that his destiny is not in his control. He is by no means Dani's wishy washy puppet. I forget which vote it was, but early on Danni wanted him to vote one way and he would not do it. I remember her saying to Lisa we cant control Jason. He has always been very much unto himself. If he agrees with Danni he will work with her but he does not go against what he wants. And he does know what he wants!!!! |
Draheid | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:47 am     Secretsmile: Nothing to apologize for, but thanks for thinking of me!  |
Jaysgal | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:49 am     Well, Jan, Jason has said on occasion that had he been outside the house, he would have called people on their behaviour, but he couldn't because they were in the house. So, I guess that might be consistent with a control freak. Jason may actually be a control freak, but one of a different kind. I mean, he may be the Southern, traditional type control freak. But when he came into the house, he ran into bigger control freaks that crossed gender line. Roddy was a controlling of both male and females and Danielle too was controlling of both sexes. So, maybe why we didn't see much of it in Jason, except toward Amy, was for those reasons. Also keep in mind that he's 25, single and a virgin. That may explain a lot. I mean, it may be confirming that he is controlling and is hardly a puppet. I am guessing that he felt intimidated with stronger alpha-males. |
Rolandcat | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:50 am     number 3-somwhere in between I think he wanted to get rid of Gerry first but I think Roddy did bedazzle him. His tears in the DR room saying he might have given the game to Roddy were genuine. WAs it in the house or an interview but I remember jason saying that he practiced with his Dad and brother all the possible senarios that someone could ask him to do something he did not want to do. So I think he just was up against a great mind manipulator (Roddy). He also has watched BB1 &2, watchs the live feeds and has read these boards. He has just waited to make his move which is now. Go jason! |
C1mag | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:54 am     I don't think Jason is in control of this game at all. there will be 3 other people next week who are aware that he is the one too beat from here on out. He is most vulnerable next week sense he can't win hoh next week and there is no pov. All three have to be thinking that it would not be wise to have him in the final 2. He's controling nothing and as of lately has showed a side that isn't too pretty. Dani handed him this hoh to trim some fat by the name of Amy or Marcellus. He's doing just what she wants at this point and come next week she may get him out. I think Jan has over analyzed how good she thinks jason is at this game. The kid would have been toast weeks ago had it not been for dani begging for him not to get nominated. She has just enough info to turn on him at the right time. The promise to evict Roddy when he was hoh last time was bad enough. Last nights little b@tch fest about not getting food this week was ridiculous on his part and made him look like a spoiled child. All bets are off as too him having an easy cruise to the finals. He's the next one too get rid of if you don't want to face him in the finals and allow the jury to hand it to him based on an emotional vote. Instead force them to pick the best all around player and the best manipulator. |
Sheila494 | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 11:55 am     danielle if given the chance will double cross jason..she wants the money very badly and she will crush anyone who gets in her way including jason. to her its buisness. |
Bmh | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 12:04 pm     I dont think Jason is a mastermind at all...I have been saying for weeks..that if it wasn't for Danielle..dragging him along..he wouldn't be in the position he is in now..as c1 said he almost got nominated 2 weeks ago..and could have easily been picked off because he is so likeable..Dani saved him..Simply put he is Dani's b*tch along with Lisa too..Dani and Roddy have been the 2 people in this game pulling the strings.. and I personally think it is quite disappointing to think that the 500,000 is going to be handed to someone that hasn't played the game on full tilt like D or R..Roddy is already gone..and I am sure D will soon follow and she doesn't have much of a chance of winning if she does get to the final 2 anyways..I feel the winner should be pick based on who played the game the best..the winner shouldn't be picked by the bases of who is nicest left(Jason) or who is the sweetest left (lisa)...this is a GAME and the money should be handed over to Dani and I would have been content with Roddy winning too..they deserve it and worked the asses off to get where they are |
C1mag | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 12:06 pm     I think it would be awesome if she gets rid of him. It would be just as stupid to allow Jason to get into the finals if you know he would have an easy victory. There is nothing wrong in getting rid of him. It's just strategy and in a final speech you cover it. Besides if Lisa get hoh next week have her put up who is ever left out of Amy and Marc along with Jason and then Dani gets to cast the only eviction vote. Simply evict Jason and say it is for strategy reasons. If he doesn't understand point out you saved him twice from getting nominated and on the eve of his nominations the first time when he had hoh he screwed you over when he promised he would put up Roddy and then didn't do it. So if ya want to call her a liar you could call him a liar and let as he leaves the house just say... The game plays on!! |
Jaysgal | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 12:11 pm     Well, Danielle can now evict him next week using the excuse that he was mean to her and disrespected her. She doesn't have to worry about finding an excuse, despite his apology. Let's hope that he sees the light. If he doesn't see the light, I would be pleased to watch him walk out the door for foolish decisions he made. |
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