Why have so many turned on Jason for finally playing the game?
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Why have so many turned on Jason for finally playing the game?
Kendalia | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 02:45 pm     I will say again, just because he didn't nominate Roddy does not mean that Jason won't vote to evict him. Mark my words. He will. |
Janekat0629 | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 02:55 pm     I agree with you Shrike and Bailey. Jason has finally stopped being Danni's puppet and is playing a good game. The controlling and demeaning way she has treated him is finally coming back to bite her maybe.... In addition to disliking anyone who disobeys Danni, they also hate anyone that is the least bit friendly to Roddy. |
Gentoo | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 03:05 pm     Romans8_1, I agree with what you posted. And speakin as one of the original "Jason-haters", I do admire the way he potrays his christianity. I find it quite uplifting. He is reserved about it and doesn't seem to be claiming that it makes him morally superior. I myself have not disliked Jason because his is christian, nor because he isn't living up to being what I expect of a christian, but because he was such a non-entity for so long. He is still, even though he's HOH, not taking much of a stand on anything, having nominated who he did simply because they seem the weakest. He has no spine and he isn't terribly entertaining. Thats why I dislike Jason. He is a fantastic ambassador of the christian faith (I wish more christians were like that) |
Wrat1010 | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 03:29 pm     I think Jason is in a much stronger position because of not nominating Roddy, because now neither Roddy or Danielle will nominate him. That leaves only 3 people left to do the dirty work. Gerry was definitely the most likely person to nominate Jason, followed by Amy. Jason also needed to put some distance between Danielle and himself, if only because of what happened the previous week with Danielle yelling opposite to Jason in front of Amy. A final reason for keeping Roddy is that Danielle's energy is focussed on finding ways for the others to get rid of Roddy instead of get rid of him. |
Lowteg | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 03:37 pm     Wrat1010, you may be right but that is not what Jason was thinking...Jason didn't nominate Roddy because he didn't have the balls to do it, there was no strategy behind what Jason did last week. |
Lowteg | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 03:43 pm     I think its also worth mentioning that just last week Jason kept mentioning to Danielle that Roddy had to go but when it came down to crunch time this week Jason couldn't do it, even though he knew it would hurt his chances of winning the game. What he did do was take the easy way out and put up Amy and Gerry. |
Dulcedelychee | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 04:35 pm     (gah! leftover stuff on my screen and it posted again when i refreshed) |
What555456 | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 04:39 pm     I am not so sure people have suddenly turned on Jason so much as Jason has finally had to make some public decisions rather than hide behind what others are doing. This is the first week he has not been able to just sit there looking beatific, but has actually had to state his position loud and clear. Hence, this is the first week anyone could actually say something of substance abut him and his effect on the game. The fact that what he did seemed to contradict what he felt was the best thing to do simply gave people fodder for more criticism than might otherwise have come his way just because he is HOH. |
Shrike3000 | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 04:47 pm     Lowteg, You don't know that! You have no way of knowing whether there was strategy behind that decision or not. It appears that way because of the DR entries, but he knows that the jury gets to see those, how valuable is it for people to think he could not nom Roddy because of friendship. That earns him major points with the voters in the end. |
Romans8_1 | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:07 pm     Gentoo, I can respect that point of view. It's well thought out, logic and based on your interpretation of the facts. Well said. |
Ocean_Islands | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:37 pm     I'll get on him for playing the game badly, not just playing. |
Lilliegirl | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:16 pm     You see one thing in the DR and then its turned around when you finally see it again on tv, I was pulling for Jason but he has no spine to stand up to Roddy that really piss** me off and to look at the tv and see Roddy hiding his eyes for the POV I can not pull for Jason anymore I think he will be the next to make the famous walk. |
Wendo | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:33 pm     Shrike3000 said, "Jason could beat anyone he is put up against, so his opponent doesnt matter, he need's to just make it there. I disagree. Were I on the jury with Jason and Roddy as the final two, I would vote for Roddy to win. I think most would as well. (And, I'm not even a Roddy supporter.) I also think that he could very well lose Danielle's vote if she votes under the premise of, Who played this game best? As of right now that's Roddy. Janekat0629 said, "I agree with you Shrike and Bailey. Jason has finally stopped being Danni's puppet and is playing a good game. The controlling and demeaning way she has treated him is finally coming back to bite her maybe.... In addition to disliking anyone who disobeys Danni, they also hate anyone that is the least bit friendly to Roddy." I disagree. If Jason just did EVERYTHING Dani says, then I could agree with this argument. But, time and time again, we have seen Jason make his own decisions in the house. Jason is not Dani's puppet, if he were, Roddy would be on the block this week. In addition, Jason was telling Dani what to do during last weeks Roddy vs. Chi nom. The facts just don't support the puppet argument. He chose not to vote Roddy out when he was on the block with Josh and he chose not to nominate Roddy. Dani and Jason have had a working alliance, where they discuss options etc. However, they both realize that each needs to make their own decisions for their own benefit. As far as turning on Jason. I haven't turned on him necessarily, but I don't have the same feelings for him as I once did. IMO, Dani has gone beyond the pale to be loyal to Jason, saving his a** several times, letting him know what Roddy and Chi said about him, and always getting his opinion on decisions. IMO, I don't think that's been reciprocated, despite Jason's comments of his loyalty to Dani in the DR. IMO, in the end, his decision to keep Roddy was a tactical error. I don't believe Roddy has any intention to protect him or not campaign for him to be on the block. As far as nomming him, I don't think Roddy would, but I also don't think he's going to try for HOH in the forseeable future. In addition, he comes across as weak in his DR sessions. Whether he is or not is moot. It's all perception. That's why, as I said above, I would vote Roddy before Jason were they a final two. |
Carigsby | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:41 pm     I think that loyalty is very important. However, one thing I have noticed in this game is the dynamic between Danielle and Jason that doesn't seem to be noticed. They both are playing this game to win for themselves - not each other. When Jason said "the only person that is safe in this house is Danielle", I think he meant in the fact that he wouldn't nominate her - not that he would weigh every single possible thing that would keep her in the game. Yes - they have said they want to be in the final 2 together - but that doesn't mean that if push comes down to shove that they won't sell each other out in order to progress (I personally see Danielle kicking Jason out for her own personal gain than the other way around, but that's just me). Jason is not playing this game for Danielle - he is playing it for himself, however he sees fit. He has not nominated her. And, even if by not nominating Roddy that means that she is in danger, that is not his responsibility. He has a responsibility to himself and I think he is a doing a damn fine job. I agree with what Lisa said on tonight's show - Jason made his own decision and that is admirable (and in my opinion, wise). He is not Danielle's puppet and if he had nominated Roddy, this would be a thread about how he does whatever he is told. None of these houseguests can do anything right it seems. (except of course for Danielle who is absolutely perfect - and I mean that in the most sarcastic way possible). |
Wendo | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:08 pm     Nimtu posted this in another thread about Eric's online chat tonight: "Still believes that Roddy is great, honest and does not manipulate (stated that the others believe this too, however, will not admit it (note to self - Roddy's telepathic abilities are transferable))." And THIS is why Roddy is dangerous in this game to ALL of the players there. If they do not evict him, he will win against ANYONE he is up against, even Jason. No doubt about it. Carigsby, I have no problem with each HG playing their own game for themselves. Just because I'm disappointed about something doesn't mean I think their decision is wrong. However, strategically, I believe Jason made an error. That's it. In addition, your blanket statement that people feel Danielle is perfect is absolutely wrong. I do not believe the woman is perfect. I feel she has made many tactical errors as well and would have a difficult time winning the game, depending on who she is standing next to. |
Carigsby | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:12 pm     Wendo - I agree with your statement about Danielle. However, I don't think what I said was wrong because there are many people on this board who think she can do no wrong. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:31 pm     Carigsby that same sentiment could be transferred to any other player's fans just by changing the name of the houseguest. It's all perception and interpretation and we are likely to have a bias that influences our opinions. I like Jason/Dani. I will defend them when, and if needed. It doesn't mean I don't see their flaws but a good defense means playing up the positives and downplaying the negatives. Every fan does this with their favorites. Not just Dani fans. |
Carigsby | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:40 pm     I agree 100%, Wcv63. I am in an unusual position this season because I don't have a favorite (conversely,I don't have a least-favorite). And to that point - there are fanatics on all sides who have blinders on. Those people are to whom I was speaking. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:46 pm     Well Carigsby...you were talking to me then. I readily admit to having blinders on (I see but I don't see) when it comes to my favorites. |
Nightwatcher | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 09:38 pm     Jason is still one of my favorites. I just feel that he should have backed off trying to win the HOH if he wasn't going to go with the alliance plan. I understand that his not nom. Roddy is possibly a strategic move on his part (as far as the jury votes) - however, if he just wanted to continue to ride the strategic/alliance fence - why even try to win the HOH or POV. As it is, he's left his alliance partner (from early on) wide open for possible eviction. |
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