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Allietex

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 06:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wouldn't her revenge be sweeter if she stays in the game and wins at least second place? They couldn't take that away from her no matter how they feel about the second chance. I had forgotten that the last few weeks that they can win HOH every week. How many weeks is that and are they doing it again this year. Have they said yet? Lord wouldn't that be sweet? And I am not too sure she might not win against Marcellas, or Dani when the other houseguests see their tapes, but even if she only got the 50,000 wouldn't that just tip their hats in the creek!

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 06:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Using the veto on Roddy would be like if you had a tie on Weakest Link and you had the choice to pick yourself to leave or pick the other guy. There aren't enough Citronas in BB's cellar to make her go completely crazy.

Sam222

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 06:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If it is like last year the person who wins HOH next week will not be elligible for the next HOH it is only the last 2 that someone could be HOH back to back, next weeks HOH could actually be in a weak position because of that. Last year the person who won the HOH with 5 people left was Hardy and then he was voted out the next week

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually feel sorry for Amy if she thinks that she can get the house guests to like or love her by turning against Roddy. People obviously never learn. The attention she is getting won't last. She can keep dreaming.

But on another subject, Theo17, you keep speaking of her chances. Her chances are only there hypothetically. Practically, if Amy does not use vetoing power and she gets the praises of the house guests, she would be misled to believe that she is now on their right hand. So, she is most likely not going to make any effort to win the next POV. She is resorting to love one side or the other, instead of the possibility that neither can be trusted. Also, she's indicated how she does not like to be in a position of power to make decisions amongst people she happens to like or have no animousity toward. Under such delusional perception, Amy is likely to give it to whomever wishes to have it. She will then have a rude awakening because no one will have his or her ears open to her cry. Amy's a crybaby. If anything should happen within this span where she gets a harsh treatment from Marcellas or others, she will be running to Roddy once again.

Bmh

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Omg..I just read on the LFP's that Amy told Lisa that Roddy said if Amy didn't keep her word and veto him that the whole house would vote to evict her what a crock...but not to worry Lisa told her that wasn't true..and Amy is still not using the veto..I cant believe Roddy would make those assumptions..grrr this guy really gets on my nerves..and he knows for a fact that if Amy doesn't use the veto he is a goner..I wish he would leave now the sooner the better

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
First off, Bmh, since when did hearsay become admissible? So, Amy says Roddy said that, therefore it is true?

Have you checked the record for whether she is telling the truth or not?

The same thing applies to Marcellas' allegations against Roddy. Almost everyone assumed that because it was not Roddy making the charges, it must be true what Marcellas said. They did not call to question his recollection. Not everyone has a machine type memory. Sometimes we rephrase people's words unintentionally in a manner that changes the entire meaning of the statements in question.

So, maybe we should first have Amy's [indirect] quote of Roddy substantiated?

Zeyna

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah Bmh, I heard him say that last night to Amy...I don't know what he's thinking, unless he's still so out of the loop that he doesn't realize everyone is allied against him, or just expects everyone to use his no lie policy..Very strange.

Dee723

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jay I think he actually DID say that. He was trying to get her to honor her "word" last night pretty hard. Amy is many things but I've only seen her stoop to lying the one time when she wanted Chiara out.

Allietex

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep this should really be BE NICE TO AMY NIGHT. It is no time for Marc and Dani to decide they are just "fed up" with Amy and ignore her. It is time to stroke and pet her. Will they be smart enough to realize that? I really believe Amy will not use the veto for two reasons. First she is royally pissed at Roddy. She feels she has been used. Second she is not completely stupid. She knows if she does veto him she is going in his place. I think she wants to stay as long as possible. And remember last year they started offering prizes to the houseguests for certain things. Can't you just see her taking $20,000 and making the other houseguests would eat PBJ for a week. I hope she stays. It could be even more interesting than Roddy because she is a walking time bomb. She just may get tired of being sh@t on and blow up.

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No, that's essentially what he told her last night, although it wasn't said as a threat, more like friendly advice as he was trying to get her to understand why it was in their best interest for her to use the veto on him.

But then again, me telling you this is also heresay. :)

Maris

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes he did say it. He told her that everyone in the house witnessed her promise to him and if she broke her word they would vote her out.

Zeyna

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I confirm the hearsay :) And I agree, it was not said as a threat at all...just "fatherly" advice.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
jays gal it boils down easy. use the pov and have no chance. Dont use the pov and have a minimum 2 in 5 chance. If you would sacrifice your chance for roddy more power to you. I dont think most people would especially roddy himself.

Wcv63

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Very stern fatherly advice said with a voice of authority that defied contradiction.

Duchess

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow! this thread is racking up some serious mileage. Didn't Amy already honor her promise when she was HOH when she refused to win POV at the time? But then she told this to Dani and Roddy is still banking on that get out of jail card.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
why is anybody surprised that roddy would say that. His game all along is get people to agree to something then blackmail them with the "then everyone will see you are a liar and want you out" card. He knows he is full of crap and nobody wants amy to use the veto. Big surprise roddy distorts the facts once again. Can I put this under the jason my only deal has been with danni folder or the jason I have stuck up for you time and time again folder?

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This thread merely indicates we are bored with the present situation and long for some stupidity. She ain't that stupid. No Veto. See ya bald guy.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
truly is the rodfather once you make a deal you are in it for life. "Everytime I think I'm out they pull me back in"

Bmh

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The best part is that even if Roddy starts whining like a little baby and starts yelling because Amy and him had a deal..everybody will defend Amy..because Roddy was going no matter what and he needs to be gone..the sooner the better..besides Amy already saved Roddy once when he was up against Chiara

Zeyna

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually wish Amy questioned him on that, just to see how he would respond. He's very much playing this game like there are set rules to follow and if anyone breaks a promise then the eviction is guaranteed. I don't see why Amy just brushed off his advice.

Wendo

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal, Roddy said it late last night during the convo with Amy. He said she should keep her integrity within the house and veto him off the block.

Jaysgal said, "I actually feel sorry for Amy if she thinks that she can get the house guests to like or love her by turning against Roddy. People obviously never learn. The attention she is getting won't last. She can keep dreaming."

Oh, so if she DOES veto Roddy she'll get love and attention instead? Let me tell you. The minute she would veto him off the block, he wouldn't give her the time of day. He'd give her just enough attention to get her jury vote, but that would be it. I've heard Roddy say before Chi left he didn't like Amy. If you think this guy even likes Amy one iota, then you haven't been paying attention. Frankly, Roddy only likes one person, and that's Roddy.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would just flat out tell him any deal I did or didnt make with you was null and void the minute you gave this nasty speech telling everyone to evict me in your nomination.

Wendo

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy may not have said that to Amy in a threatening manner, but it was still a threat. He's threatening her position in the house, threatening her with disapproval from the other HG's, threatening her ability to play the game. It may have sounded all nice and father advice like, but make no mistake, it was a threat.

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's what I got from the live feed:

Amy implies that she don't want to use the POV because she will be out.
Roddy says she made a deal in front of everyone
(when she got the box on the other POV and said she would take him off noms)
If she breaks it she will be breaking her promise and will go the next week for sure.


Amy says she'll go either way she knows.
Roddy works on her about her word would mean nothing if she breaks it about this.

Roddy asks who would Mar put up
Amy not sure, says Mar didn't say, but she thinks Lisa
Roddy seems surprised
Amy says she's pretty sure
She knows she would go


That's the closest I found to Roddy's statement. Granted, this is a transcription, but it is fairly reliable. I have checked other sources too and no where have I found any with the exact same meaning as Amy has claimed that she will be voted now if she does not stick to her words. Instead, I have only seen implicit statements where Rodddy essentially says that she would be doomed because then people would not trust her credibility. He made no reference to her leaving this very week because she would have proven to be incredulous. Hearsay is simply unreliable. Amy may unintentionally have mistated him. Besides, gauging truth by subjectivity makes no sense. You cannot use truth or falsity for an opinion. What he stated was his opinion and perspective, not what the house guests said or he claimed they said.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy should just ask what about all the lies you have told? You told Marcy 2 nights ago you voted against Josh. We know that is not true.