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Suitsmefine

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 02:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, Theo, ROTFLM-BIG OL'-AO, I agree I do not think Roddy is capable of having a relationship with anyone - He is in love with himself he is just too"awesome" for a mere mortal.....

Bohawkins

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 04:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Stay tuned for the Roddy/Jason showdown:

Porn again vs Born again

Cindyluvsroddy

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 04:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol Bohawkins ....

Romans8_1

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 06:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cunuckgirl,
FYI, the Gideons do not mind if you take the Bible. Their mission is to spread the word and if you need a Bible, they will replace it. It's not stealing.

Kendalia

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 06:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's what I think...

First of all, I wish Jason had nominated Roddy, since that was easily the smartest choice for the good of both Jason AND Danielle (my two favorites). It was so obvious that Roddy was playing him and I still hold out hope that he might decide to use the veto and put Roddy up--he could use the excuse that after thinking about it more, he decided that, no matter how much he likes Roddy, he is just too strong of a player and too much of a threat. Period. Then Gerry or Amy can go next week.

BUT-- while that is my opinion, neither I nor the rest of us know what it is really like in that house and how hard some of the decisions in the game are. Basically, we are really in no position to judge what Jason chose to do. We can't know exactly what was going on in his head or if he has some kind of strategy we don't know about. He was obviously extremely torn and under a lot of pressure from a lot of different people, as well as his own gut. He had to make a final decision in a short amount of time and probably just went with what he was feeling at the time.

There was really no way Jason could win this week--he doesn't put Roddy up and he's weak 'cause he let Roddy play him; he puts Roddy up and he's weak 'cause he let Danielle and the rest of the house tell him what to do. No matter what he had done, people would still be saying he was weak and couldn't think for himself. And that's not fair.

Anyway, if Roddy doesn't go this week it ALL depends on who gets HOH next week. If the HOH's go right, Jas and Dani *could* still be the final two...

Cindyluvsroddy

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 06:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
kendalia --- thats why we speculate in here ... nobody really knows what Roddy or any other HG is thinking either ..

Romans8_1

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
First I want to say I have so enjoyed reading the conversations since last night.

I find it amazing that some have tried to tear Jason down to justify what Roddy has done. Read my original post and this might make more since now.

My original point also was that in order to understand Jason (and his decisions), you must understand that winning the money is not the most important thing to him. If you don't understand this, then you might as well go to another thread, because the rest of the debate is pointless. You don't have to agree with it, but if you are curious as to why he does what he does, remember ... Jason is not governed by material things.

Also I have been intriged how some have gotten onto Jason for claiming to better than anyone else. Could someone please post when that conversation happened? Sorry, you can't. Jason doesn't hold himself higher than anyone else. As someone leading a surrendered life, he is actually placing himself lower than anyone else. During Kiki's sex talk, did he ever judge her. Marc homosexuality, did he condemn it. Roddy's athiesm, did he fight it. No. No. No. Don't you see, the only ones quilty of judging are his critics. Yes, they are entitled to their opinion, I'm just pointing out a fact.

As far as Jason's latent homosexuality .... I think that is just some wishful thinking of some Jason-haters. Go back and read some of the postings by Spygirl.

I understood that some would be shocked by Jason's nominations. To be honest, I was too. I would have so nominated Roddy. Not because of anything personal, it just seemed to be the best strategic move. The more I think about it, the more I like his nominations now. I've had a chance to analyze it and I think it will work better for him in the long run. (that's another discussion).

My point was to give some insight to the confused. There is a saying that goes ... "To those that believe, no explanation is necessary. to those that do not believe, no explanation is possible." In my egotistical mind, I thought that I could explain his motives, and that people would understand. They may not believe, but they would understand. After reading several of these messages, I think the saying quoted above has held true.

I'll leave this message by once again stating that Jason may loose the money, and he does really want to win. Badly. But I think it is because he wants to see if someone can play a morally, compassionate game and still win. If he can't win, then the question becomes will he save his soul and forfit the money. I gotta tell you, out of all the houseguest, he is playing the most dangerous game. As Christians, we often teach that we should put ourselves in positions that may lead us to fall. Jason is doing just that. He is looking straight in the face of the enemy and is challenging him. Some say he is boring, I gotta tell you, I find his personal game the most interesting of all. I am so rooting/praying for him. Not for him to win the money (although I think he would do the most good with it), but for him to beat the enemy and keep his soul.

This is not about Roddy vs. Jason. It is about Jason vs. Jason. Think about this, don't feel obligated to answer, are you rooting for Jason to fail? Are you rooting for him to fail in winning the money, or fail in his personal battle, or both? What lesson can you learn from that and what does that tell you about yourself. Can you root for him to loose the money ... I have no problem with that, we all have favorites. Can you root for him to give into the darkness ... I would find that sad.

We should lift up our brothers and sisters. Build them up, not tear them down. Yeah, if they are stumbling, we should point it out. But always with love, not malice.

Costacat

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe I missed something... but Roman, why do you say "winning the money is not the most important thing to him" (Jason)? How do you know that? Do you know Jason? Has he explicitly said that the money is not the most important thing to him?

Curlyq

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Romans, that was very well stated and I think your second sentence is the clincher. In another thread a poster used the expression "You don't have to break other people's furniture to make yours look good" to explain why they felt some people criticize Roddy in order to make their favorite look good. I think the same thing is now happening with Jason.

All day I've been checking in and out of this post and a few others, and I've seen some pretty amazing revisionist history regarding Jason's promises to Roddy and whether or not he kept them. I've even seen Jason referred to as "evil personified" and I think that's just sad. It's great if people want to pick favorites, but to rewrite history and malign someone that badly just to make another HG look a little less guilty is to me a sign that some people may need to consider taking a break from the feeds for a while.

Kmjm

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What bugs me is not Jason thinking he is better because of his religion (I've seen little evidence of that), it is some of the posters on this board thinking he is better because of his religion. I want Jason to play the best game that he can, and IMHO, he isn't doing that. He has allowed himself to be pushed around by Roddy and I would have hoped that his faith in a higher power would have helped him to withstand that kind of pressure. Either that, or he is playing a duplicitous game, planning to throw his support behind either Roddy or Danielle, depending on what is to his advantage. Only time will tell which is true, or if there is indeed some third possibility.

Cindyluvsroddy

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well Romans8_1 ... nice speech ... i simply don't agree with u .... can u handle that?

peace ... lol

Romans8_1

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Costa ... How do I know that the money is not the most important thing to him?? I don't. All I have to go on is his actions and what little information he has given to us (how ever truthful that may be). If we assume that he is being honest (which I do), then he has several times said "this will give him (Roddy) the win". If he was in it for the money, he would not have done that. It is also important to look at what he is not doing as much as what he is doing. We have seen (in past shows) that those ruled by winning/money almost always revert to some type of devious (in a malicious sense) behaviour and get caught up in lies and webs of deceipt. I'm no expert at this, so please give me a little rope. It's like what one of our supreme court justices said one time "I can't define what pornography is, but I know it when I see it."

Everything I see about Jason (actions and words) tell me that he is not only about the money. Does he want to win the money? Of course. He wants it very badly. But I don't think it is only for the sake of winning the money. I think he wants the money to see if it can be honestly one without maliciously hurting others.

Christians don't have to go around telling people they are Christians. This much I have agreed with his critics. But they go too far in saying that because he walks around with his Bible that he is flaunting his religion. Sorry, no cigar. He just happens to love God very much. Watch his behaviour, watch his honest compassion.


Cindy, Yes I can handle that :) I'm not asking us to agree, just that we understand each other. I don't think one can have true peace without understanding (No Jesus, No Peace ... Know Jesus, Know Peace)

Romans8_1

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
kmjm, "no evidence of his religion". Christianity is not about flaunting religion (regardless of what some people say or do). Christianity is about personal relationship with Christ and leading a surrendered life to Him. I hope this next part doesn't come across wrong, but I could have picked Jason out as a Christian if the TV/boards/him had never said anything. It sounds weird, but there is an air about him and other Christians who have that level of relationship with Christ. I can't pick out the weak Christians, but the strong Christians can be seen a mile way.

Regards to being pushed by Roddy, Christianity does not ask us to fight everyone. We are to show love and compassion to all.

As far as stretegy, I think this will work out for the advantage of Roddy. I didn't see it at first, but the more I think about, the more I think it was a great move.

Cindyluvsroddy

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Romans8_1,... i got the e-mail from jesus ... but thanks anyway! .. hehe

besides, you seem so peaceful bashing Roddy ... lol

Onlymytulips

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am confused.....weak Christians, strong christians? Strong christians do not want the money first. They show up on a game show where the prize is a big whopping $500,000. Then they make alliances, try to keep people liking them and I am to beleive that the main reason they are there is not for the money?

Kendalia

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cindy--I know that and I wasn't saying that speculation is bad. I speculated in my message too. I just meant people should be a little bit cautious in what they say about someone, saying they made a stupid decision or aren't being smart in playing the game or whatever--because we really don't know. But there's nothing wrong with saying what we think we would have done in the same situation (given the information, or lack thereof, that we have on the outside), as long as it's clear that it's just speculation and you aren't attacking the person. That's all. No biggie. :)

And no, we don't know what Roddy's thinking either. Boy, wouldn't it be interesting to get inside that guy's head... ;)

It seemed to me like Roddy wasn't terribly genuine in his talk with Jason. Actually the way he was talking so fast and repeating himself and acting a little overly irritated seemed more like he was scared and a little bit desperate to keep from getting put up for a third week in a row (not that I would necessarily blame him for that). But who knows. I could be wrong. Maybe he really meant all the things he was saying and Jason actually can trust him (though I would be surprised). Time will tell.

Romans8_1

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cindy, I'm still waiting on my email :), maybe you can put in a word for me. His email address would be great.

As far as the peaceful bashing, I alway tried to live by the rule "Say it with love". I fail more than I'd like to, but that's what I shoot for.

Onlymytulips, weak vs strong christians is a long explanation. I will try to give the short version. Suffice it to say that strong Christians (IMO) can be thought of as more mature Christians. As in anything in life, we grow in areas. Just because a person becomes a Christian, doesn't make them perfect (not that they will attain that here on earth). When you become a Christian, that is the starting point, not the destination. We will stumble and fall more than we walk in the beggining. We Christians believe that God (as the good Father) teaches us and helps us become the person we are meant to be. As we learn these lessons and grow in our relationship with God, we learn that it doesn't matter if live in a trailer down by the river, or if we live in a manson on the hill. Material possesions are temporary and fleeting. They also will not comfort you in times of trouble. Only one's relationship with Christ is important. Strong Christians are closer to this realization. Weak Christians beleive and are on the right path, but they are still close to what the world deems as important. I don't mean to sound like I am putting them down, we all start somewhere and then we grow. I am more mature than some and less mature than others. Nothing to be ashamed of, just fact of life.

Spygirl

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Romans, I appreciate your posts today. Thank you for sharing. I think you've nailed some people right on the head and it is apparent by their need to continue posting snide comments after you each time

Cindyluvsroddy

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Romans8_1 isnt making snide comments as well????

oops! thats right, as long as u say your a christian, its ok .... lol

its so funny how people cant stand that not everyone thinks Jason is as wonderful as they think ...

regards,

the devil (hehe)

Magikearth

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Romans,I also appreciate your posts! Keep them coming and I will keep reading!

Spygirl,I also love reading your posts!
You make great points so often that I think of you as a voice of reason on many threads.

Thanks to both of you for all the heart and wisdom you bring to the board. :)

Romans8_1

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm ... "snide comments". You maybe right. If I did, I apologize, it was not intentional. The hard part with writing is that you cannot hear the tone in which it was intended. I have no malice toward anyone or their comments. I just want understanding, agreement is not necessary. I go to great lengths to always understand the otherside of thought behaviour and I guess sometimes I expect the same. It doesn't make me better, it just makes us different. Sometimes I work too hard to make those understand it may come across wrong.

Can you root agains Jason as a contestant, of course. I have no problem with that.

Even though I know humanity is inherently sinful, I still hope that people would want others to succeed in personal battles/challenges and that we uplift others instead of tearing them down. That is subject that I may get testy on and I aplogize. Until I die and meet my Creator, I will continue to pray that people (including myself) will show compassion for all and to all.

Theo17

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I knew a guy that was very dishonest with me and others in business. No matter what the topic he would begin his sentance I'm a christian and I think.......
scared me to death how many people he lied to with that line. It was all about gaining trust. That isnt a knock on any christians. That was probably his most used lie. He probably wasnt a Christian

Spygirl

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Magi, I really appreciate your compliment, but I'm really not being the voice of reason today. Look to Romans for that in this particular thread. I'm not even gonna suggest that I am playing that role in this case :)

Romans8_1

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Theo, You're probably right, or a very weak Christian at best. It's amazing that alot of Christians think that Christianity is about religion. Religion is what we have made it and is what we use. Christianity is not a religion, it is a relationship. It's also interesting how people view Christians. My mother use to gossip about all the Christians that she deemed as "hypocrits". I think that is very overused word. It is very difficult to explain to non-believers what Christianity is really about. We are not perfect although we are called to be. Should we be held to a high standard, I say yes. To borrow from Spider-Man "with great power, comes great responsibility". Unfortunately we are still of the flesh and the flesh is weak. Unfortunately this may cause others to be turned away from God, but as Romans tells us "No man is without excuse".

Romans8_1

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to disagree with you SpyGirl. I so enjoyed reading your posts and you articulated things so much better than I.