Archive through August 26, 2002
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Archive through August 26, 2002
Crazydog | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:20 am     I want to first off say I am not trying to start an anti-Gerry thread. Some of you might know that I am one of the few people here that does not like Gerry. I am simply trying to understand his actions so I hope this thread does not get moderated. I know it was discussed when it was on the feeds, but now that it's been aired on the show and I've actually seen it, I wanted to hear how people will defend Gerry for this. No doubt some of you think CBS is going out of its way to portray Gerry as creepy, but the fact is, this shower scene with Marc has already been seen on the feeds. Moreover, CBS cannot create a scene that did not happen. The fact is, Gerry had his arms on top of the shower and was openly staring into the shower at Marc. He knew it was weird so he asked Marc if Marc was OK with it. If it was a perfectly normal thing to do there would have been no need to ask. Then there was that other scene of him lying on the bed while Marc was trying to sleep and telling him he could be his sugar daddy while staring at him and patting him good night on the butt. If someone could please explain to me how these actions can be perfectly normal, I would appreciate it. This may be Gerry's way of trying to feel close to Marc, but it is a little odd. I don't think he has any concept of personal space. |
Romans8_1 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:23 am     Honestly, I found the shower thing creepy. I'm not bashing Gerry ... I just found it weird. Since I don't know him, I really can't give any motive either. |
Theo17 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:25 am     I didnt like the question how would you like q white sugar daddy. I think cbs has basically outed Gerry. |
Wcv63 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:29 am     Perhaps Gerry has heard some of the vile things Marc has been saying about him and this is an attempt to intimidate him a little? I don't know. I've seen lots of the other hgs standing around talking to other hgs while they shower (which is strange) but not many go up and lean on or over the shower door. Maybe Gerry is just trying to get Marc to like him as much as Gerry likes Marc. Not in a sexual way but in a buddy buddy way. Men shower together all the time in lockerrooms so perhaps that is how Gerry thinks of the communal bathroom? |
Minnietlm63 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:30 am     Crazydog, I personally didn't see the shower scene but I've read alot of talk about it. I do agree with you (something I never thought could happen...LOL) that its just Gerry does not have any concept of personal space. I don't think that he means anything by it. There are ALOT of people in this world that don't have any concept of personal space. Ever stand in line at the store and have someone up all in your space and you just wanna say, "BACK OFF!" I don't think Gerry is what you would consider a "social butterfly", but it doesn't make him a bad guy....weird yes, but not bad. |
Mr_Bozack | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:36 am     It was soooo creepy. Hilarious, and creepy. I don't think it's like Jerry is attracted to Marcellas, but more like Marcellas is his mascot or something. His pet. Someone he'd like to be able to shrink down, put in his pocket and carry around with him to pull out every so often and say, "Look at what I've got: A black, gay, attractive man. Isn't he adoreable?" It's more like that than sexual. It's demeaning. Don't be staring at the guy as if he was a painting on the wall. He's a human being for God's sake. |
Cliotheleo | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:37 am     My question is, (and I like both Gerry and Marcellus the same) is what is the difference between Gerry asking Marc. if he wanted a sugar daddy, and Marc. constantly flirting with Jason and Roddy? For example, I remember yesterday, or maybe the day before, Jason told everyone the HOH door was open for anyone who wanted to come in. Marcellus responded by saying, "Well maybe I'll just find my way in there at 4am!" (paraphrasing) Implying that Marcellus would come in at 4am to make sexual advances toward Jason. I don't see a lot of difference in the two incidents. |
Theo17 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:41 am     I think marcy and cbs have been terrible to gerry but gerry has been making sexual comments to marcy since the very first week. Dont sell Marcy short here. He knows when he is being hit on. Gerry doesnt tell roddy or jason how stunning or sexy they are verey week. I feel badly for gerry because the whole world is seeing it. |
Draheid | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:44 am     IMHO - The scene that you saw was somewhat staged by ASP in their attempts at good television. Here's my scenario: 'Standard' fare, a HG is showering, in this case it happens to be Marcellas. Another HG, in this case Gerry, goes to the shower to discuss whatever, strategy, the current lunar phase, the weather, whatever. Now, ASP staff see this and, while on a 'train of thought' of editing things to highlight the Gerry/Marcellas relationship, they ask Marcellas in the DR, "Do you remember when Gerry came over to you in the shower? How did that make you feel?" And of course, Marcellas has his way of 'reacting' to questions that made for good TV. Throw the two clips into the editor, trim for effect, and you have a TV segement that turns out to be, IMHO, bordering on inflammatory. AND I don't believe this is the only instance of such editing/scripting/plotting by ASP to get the most out of the show's TV appearence. Again, just my oppinion, for what it's worth! |
Wydy | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:44 am     Mr_B what an excellent post! I'm smiling from ear to ear. I think you're right too! |
Auntiemike | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:45 am     No one got so "hot under the collar" when the ladies were in the shower together and actually touching each other and making sexual inuendos. Come on, folks! Gerry is just of a generation that would not interpret his "shower talk" the same way as many of you have. He is innocent. Marcellas, on the other hand, has a real focus on sexuality....his constant comments, reaction to Roddy in hot tub, etc. Let's see who is really hitting on whom! |
Mr_Bozack | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:46 am     Cliot: The difference is, in Gerry's case, he's doing it to tease Marcellas in the desperate attempt to receive more attention from Marcellas. Marcellas' flirting with Roddy and Jason is so light and subtle, as well as totally respectful towards their own sexuality as he never makes any blatant passes, that it doesn't draw all kinds of unwanted attention towards them. What Gerry's doing is passive-aggressively trying to get attention from Marcellas by making him feel uncomfortable. In a Bizarro-world kind of way, he's actually lightly trying to bully Marcellas into showing him more attention. Marcellas should be thankful that the Big Brother house isn't a true cell block, because if they were all doing hard time and caught up in that mentality, Gerry would make Marcellas his in a hot second. |
Auntiemike | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:48 am     No one got so "hot under the collar" when the ladies were in the shower together and actually touching each other and making sexual inuendos. Come on, folks! Gerry is just of a generation that would not interpret his "shower talk" the same way as many of you have. He is innocent. Marcellas, on the other hand, has a real focus on sexuality....his constant comments, reaction to Roddy in hot tub, etc. Let's see who is really hitting on whom! |
Pattie555 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:51 am     One thing to remember Marc craves attention. He argues with Amy all the time about who the star of the show is. Who is americia's choice. Maybe Gerry is trying to give Marc the attention Marc craves. OK the shower incident was a bad choice. |
Maris | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:52 am     Gerry has said on more than one occasion that Marcellas has difficulty accepting his sexual orientation and that Marcellas feels like he is carrying a burden. I was reminded by a comment someone on the board made which is descriptive of Gerry's actions. I think this is a case of Gerry projecting his own feelings and emotions concerning his sexuality identity. The shower scene was more of an issue for Marcellas because he gets a vibe from Gerry that he is uncomfortable with and there exists a sexual conflict between the two of them. Marcellas jokes with Roddy and Roddy jokes with Marcellas about being attracted to each other but it is a friendly banter because both know there is no truth to their repartee. This is true of the joking around between Jason and Marcellas. Unfortunately, what Gerry says in jest to Marcellas rings a little to true for him and it isnt a joke. Look at Chiara, when Chiara made a joke to Jason about sharing a bed with him Jason didnt joke back because it was too uncomfortable for him. He didnt joke with Chiara the way he would with say a Marcellas. |
Theo17 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:56 am     marcy and lisa have both made comments they hate gerry leering at them in the shower. Lisa even spoke to bb about something and gerry. A lot of things can be coincidence but in my mind if it walks like a duck, quaks like a duck and looks like a duck, then its a duck. 1) Gerry makes sexual comments to marcy since the very first week and saves him with pov. calls him sexy and stunning often. Not to mention so cute I could eat you up. 2) Gerry slaps a gay guy on the butt. 3) I'm straight and it would make me feel weird as hell to have another guy sticking his head over a shower to talk to me. 4)asking marcy if he wants a white sugar daddy. I dont think gerry is gay. I think gerry is bisexual. many people in the theater are liberal about sexuality. |
Rain | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:59 am     Lots of people have a "crush" on people of the same sex without being gay. I think its normal to look at people who are beautiful or sexy, no matter what the sex of the person. (I do agree that its not polite to leer or stare, however!) The shower scene was blown way out of porportion--if it was Roddy so close to the shower, Marcie wouldn't have had a problem with it, now would he? And didn't the shower scene happen after Marcellus was nude in the hot tub? I can't remember if Gerry was there, but life in that house has been very free-spirited, so I don't think its fair to suddenly want to out Gerry on the basis of such flimsy "evidence". |
Rissa | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:04 am     Minnie, good comment about Gerry not having the same personal space needs. My hubby frequently hangs over our shower while I am in it, or vice-versa in order to relay information or ask a quick question. When you are down behind the shower door, you cannot hear any conversation without raising your voice. The BB house is not the place you want to be raising your voice to discuss other HG's. I think anything can be made to look creepy if you give it enough buildup and narration. Gerry asked Marc. if it made him uncomfortable and Marc. said NO!!!! So Marc. has no-one to blame but himself. I know that I am SUPREMELY uncomfortable when women get undressed in public pools. I would rather sit and wait half an hour for a changing room then take my clothes off in the locker area. I stare at walls, play with my nails, etc. LOL But I know that most women (on this board)will think this is overreacting and they have no problem with stripping down in a crowded changing room of other women. We all have our boundaries and it's up to us to enforce them, not leave it to others to guess. I think the bottom line with Marc. is that he HATES Gerry and everything the man does is fodder for that emotion. |
Draco | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:04 am     I found the shower scene CREEPY too. I don't think Gerry is gay but I do think that he is trying too hard to let Marcellus know he doesn't have a problem with his sexuality and is comfortable as a straight man to have a gay friend. Although this might be his motive I think he's going way over the top and some of his comments are very sexually charged. I can see how Marcellus would find it incredibly uncomfortable and annoying. |
Rose_City | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:05 am     I, too, don't think Gerry meant anything lascivious when he stared at Marc in the shower. Gerry is the "outsider" because of his age and perhaps he just was trying to fit in and show he wasn't prudish. Who knows? Gerry just seems to have an unusual personality and probably didn't mean a thing by his actions and if he knew how they came across, he might not have done it. Unfortunately, it did come across as more than strange, especially the way BB edited the tape. I was wondering if BB edited it this way (including showing him staring at Marc, while Marc was gong to sleep, to "prepare" the audience for his possible eviction this week, showing how his personality sticks out from the others. Frankly, I feel for Gerry. He often appears ignored and lonely in the house. (I enjoyed all your comments, posters, by the way!) |
Theo17 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:07 am     Take Marcy out of the equation. Do straight guys say these things? I dont like marcy and I feel gerry has been abused by cbs but I would be shocked if he wasnt bi sexual. I just do not go up to gay men every week and tell them they are sexy, stunning, so cute I could eat them up, nor ask them if they want a white sugar daddy. Who did he have in mind? why make the sugar daddy white? |
Bernie | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:09 am     Gerry reminds me of a lumbering clumsy bear who wanders around inquisitively bumping into things - a bull in a china shop, perhaps, with no idea of the effect that he's having on those around him. Based on what has been shown in the house, I can not see how anyone could possibly infer anything about Gerry's inclinations. Picking at straws, I think, on this one! |
Mr_Bozack | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:12 am     "Many people in the theater are liberal about sexuality." Aaaaa-ha-ha-ha-ha!!! That's priceless! What a stereotype. I can agree with the fact that many people that come from an artistic background aren't threatened by alternative lifestyles, therefore, homosexuals within creative industries tend to feel a little less threatened about being out than they would be in, say, a law firm or a marketing agency, but can you explain how kidding around makes you bi? Damn man, where's SanFranJoshFan when you need him? Someone start the countdown... |
Rissa | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:16 am     Lots of good points being made. Another thing to consider though is that Gerry has said he has many gay friends (and didn't he even say queens?). If this is true then maybe he is just interacting with Marc., the way he does with other gay men he knows. Also, like someone mentioned (Rain), the exact same behavior would be accepted without question btn two women. |
Squaredsc | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:17 am     i can't say if gerry meant anything by it or not. but gerry wasn't just talking to marcellas while in the shower, he leaned over the shower door. im sorry but there was no editing for that one, and it was bizarre. i wouldn't have a problem with holding a convo while im in the shower and someone is by the sink, toiled, whatever, but you do not lean over the wall and stare at me. im sorry but thats going way too far, we aren't on that kind of time. and we would have been fighting(after i had my clothes back on). now i do happen to like gerry but that was going too for to me. |
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