No one listens to each other.
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No one listens to each other.
Allietex | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:55 pm     I started this thread yesterday and it got lost. The moderator says if we lose a thread we have to start it over so here goes. I have noticed that when the hgs talk to each other they don't seem to really be listening. For example when Gerry was talking to Jason in the HOH after POV when he was suggesting Jason veto Amy, Jason did not seem to really be listening. Granted Gerry is not the clearest talker around but if it had been me, I would have been asking for clarification and trying to see what deal I could have gotten. Jason just nodded and went no futher. Maybe he had no interest, but I have seen the same thing over and over again. I am not sure if I am making myself clear, but I was wondering if anyone else had noticed. |
Wcv63 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:01 pm     I answered yesterday but have no idea what I said. Actually, I believe this is a defense mechanism to keep them focused and not be swayed from their chosen strategy. The listening comes in when they overhear others talking of strategy and then go back to discuss their observations with their alliance members. Sometimes the talk gets past the walls of defense and you see something like Jason's nominations. BUT, I believe that Jason wasn't making the huge tactical blunder that others say he is....I think he is working a strategy but one that is a bit risky. It's my theory!! Don't disillusion me!! Anyway, they listen when they hear something worth listening to....they go off into space when there is pontificating, or strategy that they don't want to entertain. |
Jan | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 04:48 am     I don't know that Jason listens well. He keeps saying that he will protect Dani as she has protected him..yet in his last long talk with Roddy (before the POV meeting) Roddy was hinting that Dani was a danger to him (roddy)..ie saying that he has heard about one female in the house who was constantly talking about Roddy as a danger to the others. He could only mean Dani by this statement. Yet Jason did not pick up on it at all. In fact, he changed the subject. Either he does not want to know that he needs to protect Dani from Roddy or he wasn't listening. |
Blossumtree | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:00 am     jan: or maybe jason was listening and was afraid to go any further with that conversation with roddy because he knows how roddy can charm the hair off a gorilla. |
Puck1021 | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:18 am     Hmmmm, Gerry Bald and does Gorilla Dance Roddy can charm the hair off a gorilla, Hmmmm is it a conspiracy or coincidence, is it an X-File? The truth is out there, I want to believe....
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Scorpiomoon | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:28 am     I want to extend this "they don't listen to each other" observation to non-game conversations as well. It continually annoys me how these people (with maybe the exception of Jason) don't listen and really get to know one another. Blatant selfishness rules that house. Amy is the worst. She has no clue how to just stop and listen to someone--she's always thinking about what she is going to say next to get attention from the group. Marcellas is just as bad. And good God, if Roddy had, for one second, stopped and really listened to Chiara, he would have seen her for who she really is--a woman with many relationship issues. Gerry even has some interesting stories to tell, but no one takes the time to listen to him. I'm done ranting. |
What555456 | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:32 am     I am not sure whether anyone, other than Roddy, knows how to *really* listen to someone anyway. Roddy seems to know how to size up a person from how they act and what they say. He remembers small tidbits of conversation and then using them to throw thing back in others' faces to make them feel guilty, question themselves, think he has it all figured out. But the rest do not seem to listen very well, and almost none know how to really listen to what someone is saying -- hear the message behind the words. Of course, few of them seem to have the guts to say anything direct anyway. Everything seems to always be in code -- a code only the speaker knows and the listener never seems to quite understand. |
Bigsister | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:07 am     I think it takes a mature person to be a good listener - to be able to put yourself in someone else's shoes and really care about what they have to say. Needless to say, most of these houseguests are extremely immature. They don't listen to someone else because they are far more interested in their own concerns than anybody else's. If/when they grow up emotionally, they will come to understand that other people's concerns are just as important as their own and will become better listeners. |
Marcieb | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:29 am     This comment may come off as a bash but it's not. I've thought the same thing as Bigsister about the maturity it takes to participate in a conversation by "actively listening." Gerry doesn't do that; he merely waits for his turn to interject one of his experiences and it maddens the heck out of me. He, being the eldest--and an educator, to boot--should be the best at this but he's as bad as some of the others. Amy is the worst by far, never asking one question or responding in an inquiring manner to anyone, just one personal anecdote after another. Lisa, IMO, is pretty good as is Roddy (some of the time), Dannie (if it's not about the game when she speaks in half-sentences and code), and Jason actually thinks up questions to ask others to start a conversation. This may because he doesn't seem all that comfortable with the spotlight on him so prefers to let others shine. Whatever, it's just one more facet of the "psych experiment" the hamsters are putting on for us 24/7. |
Ophiliasgrandma | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:34 am     LISTENING: THE LOST ART |
Sonia | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:30 am     Curtis and Cassandra from BB1 were both strong listeners to other hgs, no matter if they liked them or not. Jamie was an good listener too. Frequently, she didn't react to what people said, but at least, she was listening. |
Wedge | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:29 pm     Totally agree MarcieB...I believe Lisa and Rod are by far the best "listeners". And no slam on over 40 folk, but it is kinda common among my friends that are older to interject with stories etc...of when they had the same prob...whatever. I think thats natural. What I think is not good is that Amy and Marcellas and perhaps Jason somewhat dont really seem to "listen" and certainly dont care about what was said. I remember Chia getting bashed for that and I see Amy as much worse... as Ophillia says: Listening the lost art! ( hit the nail on the head there friend.. |
Onlyhuman | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:38 pm     In order to listen, one has to CARE what others have to say. None of these people care about anyone other than themselves. It's interesting, because I believe they all THINK they listen, but they don't. I can't be the only one who saw the irony of Roddy and Danielle standing in the kitchen commenting on how they can't stand listening to the "so what" conversations of the others when they were just as guilty of trying to dominate the conversation with trivialities as everyone else. One other interesting note about listening is that Amy explained to Marcellus when they had their AC dinner that she was raised believing that asking others questions is rude. That you learn about each other by taking turns sharing stories. They tell something then you tell them something. Of course, Amy still has to learn the art of giving people TIME to say something before she continues on, but it made me understand her a little more because I was taught the same thing. |
Wcv63 | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:58 pm     Jan...I believe that Jason changed the subject because he doesn't want Roddy to know how much he knows about Dani's strategy as that would expose him as being in an alliance with her. IMO As far as listening is concerned, it seems to me that Jason is by far the best listener because he sits back and observes a lot without participating. That is why he won the HOH...he knew which people had said what in the house. Jason has also taken the time to sit with each and every hg and talk to them one on one. He doesn't feel the need to dominate the conversation. He spends most of his time listening and every once in a while will make a comment or ask a question. The others have varying degrees of listening skills with some more focused on listening only for game purposes...strategy and gameplay. I rate the houseguests for "listening skills" in the following order: Jason Lisa Dani Gerry Marc Amy |
Zeyna | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:02 pm     Wcv you forgot Roddy...or are you still pretending he's not there |
Costacat | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:04 pm     The lizards are good listeners! grinning, ducking, running real fast! |
Wcv63 | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:13 pm     Zeyna....must be something in my subconscience. I knew I forgot somebody but for the life of me couldn't figure out who. |
Sisalou | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:15 pm     I thought this thread was referring to us posters. |
Jan | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:57 pm     wcv I thought that at first too. But then, I figured since Jason is sworn to protect Dani and now knows Roddy is starting to gun for her, he will use his veto and nom Roddy. When that didn't happen, I started to wonder if jason changed the subject so he would NOT know about the threat to Dani and NOT have to veto and nom Roddy? or maybe he just didn't hear? So I was giving him the benefit of the doubt on that, I guess. |
Saggkl | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 04:01 pm     I think Jason is in a very hot seat right now. He probably wants to protect both Roddy and Dani and that is immpossible. He is going to have to jump on one or the other side of the rope and soon. |
Fabnsab | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:40 am     In the same vein, I am sick of them interrupting eachother all the dang time and I will tell you what- Jason does it alot. They all do it though. I hate listening to convos sometimes because they keep chiming in when the other person is making a point. |
Trillian | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:12 am     Might be that people who find themselves exceedingly interesting and think everyone else must too would be the sort most likely to apply to be on BB! If that's the case it's a house largely filled with people who would rather listen to themselves speak than have a real conversation, or listen to what others have to say. |
Dulci | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:14 am     LOL@Sisalou I hear you! |
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