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Wendo

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer said, "<snip> Would Roddy still be the big threat? Of course he would because he would be the figure head of the only remaining alliance in the house. That is what Danny is now... the figure head of the only alliance left which makes her more powerful than Roddy has ever been, and for sure more of threat than Roddy is today."

Yes, from the outside we can see that. But you have to put yourself in the game players shoes with the information THEY have, not what WE know. Danielle has been careful to not let on to Mar that she has alliances with anyone else in the house. (She even reiterated that with Lisa, it was only for a short time, that she never promised Lisa anything; and, I don't believe she has.) So, while we know things, he doesn't. In his mind, she doesn't appear all powerful as she does to us, the watchers. She appears to be scratching by, surviving week to week. Because, afterall, with the original six she (and Mar) were just players to pick off.

That's why in BB, it's really not good strategy to be all powerful and strong in the beginning of the game. You might as well paint a big red target on you forhead.

Msnapsnap

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It will be Jason and Lisa who are nominated.

Minnyace01

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer - I posted similar thoughts on what you said earlier today. If Dani was to be voted out, how long do you think that it would take Lisa to tell him about all of the fun things that the four of them (L, E, R, C) could do together?

Jadeygurl39

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can someone tell me when nominations are and when we will know? Thanks...

Cameltoes

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now I'm thinking it will be Roddy and Lisa. Marc likes to be willing to lose both of his nominees (thus no decoys). If Roddy manages to get Jason and Amy to save him, then so be it. He will have eliminated one of Danielle's allies and potentially rides Roddy to the end (I don't think he believes Roddy will hold a nomination against him). If Roddy leaves, he rides Danielle to the end. Clash of titans but in a more round-a-bout way.

Gouraphik

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo said: "But you have to put yourself in the game players shoes with the information THEY have, not what WE know."

If you want to predict what they're going to do, that's true. However, if you're analyzing what they SHOULD do, if they want to get to the top 2, then that's just not so.

If they happen to stumble upon the ideal combination for noms, that's great. But crawling into their heads isn't necessary to see what they should do to get to any particular goal. We can only do a so-so job of it in any event, and some of the HG's minds aren't really worth visiting! :)

Anyway, I'm more interested in finding the ideal strategy for the HG in question at any given moment (depending on their goals, the most important one being getting in the final 2) and seeing how it meshes with what they actually end up doing. That's just me, though. Others may beg to differ. :)

Jaysgal

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that it will be Danielle and Lisa. But if Danielle is not included, it will definitely be Jason and Lisa. Danielle seems to have trouble winning HOH, so can easily be eliminated at anytime, provided she didn't have her good players like Jason or possibly Lisa. So, he would most likely put up Lisa and Jason. But Jason would be a goner if that happened, I think. On the one hand, it would save Danielle and Roddy from any commitments, and it eliminates a fierce competitor. However, I don't want to see that happen!

So, his best bet is Danielle and Lisa. If he wants Lisa out, he can tell Danielle that Danielle is a decoy.

Ministryoftruth

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I predict Roddy and Lisa. Marcellas said Dani would be pleasantly surprised. He knows she wants Roddy up, he said he knows she is close to Jason, and he won't put up Amy. That leaves Roddy and Lisa.

Ericka1012

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer, You are so right...If Marc doesn't break that group up NOW next week unless Amy wins HOH and forgives him for putting her on the block...he's the next one up and more than likely the next to go...because what will be left is Dani, Lisa, Jason, Amy, Marc...anyone but Amy would put him up against Amy Against Amy this time he'll be gone...that would leave the final four as Dani, Lisa, Jason and Amy...unless Amy won HOH...she'll be next...Dani in the finals with Lisa/Jason...Marc PLEASE PLEASE...THINK BEFORE YOU PUT THOSE KEYS IN THIER SLOTS...Roddy side at this point is your only hope to make it to the end...

Ryn

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It will be 2 of these three:

Roddy, Amy, Lisa

simple enough ;)

Cameltoes

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But what would be the surprise factor? I don't know that either Roddy or Lisa as nominees would surprise Danielle. Unless he means surprise at who he doesn't nominate.

Marv

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Roddy is nominated, he's gone - no ifs ands or mind melds. No one will veto him and he has two votes against him no matter who else M puts up.

His smartest play for his long-term survival would be Lisa and Jason.

Jan

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
too true ryn but which two..that is the anxiety!

Ministryoftruth

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point, Marv . . . but when has Marcie ever done the smartest thing?

Seanflynn

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Roddy side at this point is your only hope to make it to the end."
That is hardly the case.
There a many, many other ways he gets to the end.
Here is just one:

He nominates Roddy and Lisa
Roddy is voted out
Next week Amy wins HOH.
She nominates Jason and Danielle.
Lisa votes out Jason, Marcellus votes off Danielle.
Amy breaks tie, votes out Jason.
Marcellus wins HOH.
He nominates Lisa and Danielle.
Amy votes off Danielle.
Lisa wins HOH.
She eliminates Amy.
Lisa and Marcellus in final two.

There are so many imponderables, and so many combinations still. No one can say on any side the only way one person can get to the end is with either Roddy and Danielle.

Jaysgal

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What would be surprising about Roddy if that is what Danielle expected in the first place?

His statement wouldn't make sense in that case. I am rather inclined to believe that it would be Amy amongst them than I would that it is Roddy.

We'll see, I guess.

Danielle exploiting race here. :roll: It would be cool to see two Black people at the finals? As if she really cares for that....

Seanflynn, count in probability. That without a doubt is possible. But what is the probability with 3 persons with a pact vs. 1 person (Amy), since Marcellas cannot participate?

Ministryoftruth

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal, Cameltoes . . .I think he might just mean she will like his choices when he says "pleasantly surprised".

Spunky

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Still no nominations???

Okay, then I've got time to post my prediction:

Danielle and Roddy

Wendo

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal, Marcellas has said the "two black people" at the end many times too. It's not just Danielle.

Marv said, "If Roddy is nominated, he's gone - no ifs ands or mind melds. No one will veto him and he has two votes against him no matter who else M puts up"

I could see Amy using the veto to get Roddy off the block. Even if she were on the block with him, though it would seal her fate.

Jadeygurl39

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Please could someone tell me when noms are?

Ministryoftruth

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think at 5:00 bb time, Jade. hey what happened to your blue letters?

Theo17

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Its kinda strange that roddy hasnt made his weekly mind meld trip to the hoh and instead took a nap. Could he be sure he is safe? He sure looked nervous last night. Man anytime this guy seems relaxed it is cause for alarm

Grannygrunt

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mar said early this afternoon that it would only take him 2 minutes in there. So I don't look for a long drawn out thing. Go in there, put the keys in and he is out. Hopefully soon before we all go insane. (insaner??)

Jadeygurl39

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Ministryoftruth. I was about to go into an "Amy pout mode" ...LOL. I appreciate you responding. My blue is back but my black got your attention. :)

Theo17

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
jadey how do we change the color of our font like you did?