Archive through August 29, 2002
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Archive through August 29, 2002
Kendalia | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:36 am     Cajunrambler-- Jason absolutely has stood up for Gerry when the others were bashing him. How have you missed this? I just think lately especially he has realized that him saying something to those who are doing it never makes them let up anyway, so what's the point. Mostly now he just walks away or stays out of it. That doesn't mean that he condones it, just that he knows by now that he can't really stop it. And the only thing I've seen that could be even remotely taken as actually participating in the Gerry bashing would be an occasional comment about him not washing his hands or something (not necessarily an unreasonable issue, IMO). Everyone in that house has said something bad about everyone else in that house, and the occasional negative comment does not constitute participation in the "Gerry bashing." He's just doing the best he can in what is obviously an uncomfortable situation for him. |
Dee723 | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:36 am     Well FWIW I'm a Christian and yes I have participated in gossip and have been around immoral behavior and have just shrugged it off. We're not perfect. However, from what I've seen he's also never once come out and said, you know, this is wrong and we shouldn't be doing/saying this. You'd think he'd be a little more vocal about his beliefs. The same thing goes for Danielle only she's worse because she is the master deceiver, manipulater and basher in that house. I am disappointed that he was so easily manipulated by both Roddy and Danielle and yes I do consider him to be weak. |
Romans8_1 | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:38 am     thanks for the clarification. I was gone and missed the first 45 minutes (turned out I had the wrong channel recording), when I got home I caught the last 15 minutes. I still don't trust that Gerry would not have nominated Roddy. In all other agreements, Gerry gave definate yes/no to his deals. He didn't do that with Jason, so that's what made me think he would have used it (and Jason too I guess). |
Bomom | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:39 am     I'm disappointed in Jason because of his change in focus. I thought he had a better grip on the concept that they are playing a game to win, and in order to do that, you size up the competition and eliminate them. He went from being just about the only person in that house who had a grip on reality to joining the "popularity contest" mentality of the rest of them. |
Cindyluvsroddy | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:40 am     It isn't Jason who many of the posters are referring to when it comes to his religion.. It is some(not all)of the posters in here (not jason himself) - who are the ones who put jason on a pedestal the moment they found out he read the bible and declared himself a christian ... Not fair to Jason... I've said this many times ... being relgious IMO has no impact if u r a good person or not .. Jason is just a nice guy playing a game ... people had all these expectations because they saw the "bible" in his hands .... I think it was in Jasons favor not to nominate Roddy... if "Roddy Haters" would take off their "Roddy Hater" glasses and give it a little more thought .. they might see it that way ... If you want Roddy out - better look for Dani or Lisa to do it..... Jason, at this point (IMO) is arguably playing the best game right now ... he is doing this by not making enemies ... which means possible votes in the end .. Think about it, if it is Jason or Dani in the end - who do u think Roddy and his crew would vote for?? i think Jason |
Luckhunter777 | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:42 am     I guess I am having a bit of an issue with this statement posted by Bbrules >>> if he was a true christian you would think he would be more "on fire" for god ...more upset at the pervasive amorality, marcellus' homosexuality, Roddys Atheism, ....things that should concern him as a *moral* person......in the game....etc. I dont agree that to be a christian you are neccessarily 'on fire' for God. Are those that are less outspoken less christian? Not all Christians would/should have issue with the homosexuality or atheism as there are religions that do NOT consider homosexuality a sin. Christian covers such a broad range of religions that a statement like this makes no sense at all. It is also possible that he may not agree with the above mentioned behaviors but chooses to say little to nothing about them as he knows that it is not his job to judge... or that his being outspoken would not really have an impact on Marc being homosexual or Rods Atheism, (more likely agnostic from what I have heard him say) I think he realizes the only possible result of him condemning these behaviors or judging housemates based on his religions beliefs would just make enemies, and that simply makes no sense in the context of the game ... or in life in my opinion. Expecting others to live according to your personal belief system - whether christian or otherwise is not rational. I am more than a little disturbed by the insinuation that being a christian makes someone a *moral* person -- I personally feel that morality and religion are not even remotely related. This not meant to say that the original is wrong -- just my slant on it. (I think I better go find my flame proof underwear... wonder where I left it ... hmmmm.... ) |
Dee723 | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:43 am     Well, Jason was dead set on nominating Roddy until Roddy got him alone, turned on the charm and lies and Jason fell for it hook line and sinker. He fell hard for the manipulation, stated in the DR that he should have nominated Roddy, got the POV, and STILL did not do it. |
Whineandroses | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:46 am     Here Here! Cindyluvsroddy - you nailed it on the head. |
Theo17 | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:47 am     dee nice to see you are such a clear thinker. it was all right in front of our eyes. Dont forget roddy had his all night talk with jason once again right before pov meeting. Once pov was over roddy moves to his next tragets. He isnt speaking to jay or gerry. He spent all night suckering amy and lisa. Jay is a good guy religion or not. He just got suckered and doesnt have a back bone. He isnt the first. |
Theo17 | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:49 am     By the way I do think jason is out of line telling danni not to nominate roddy last night. Its one thing for him not to do it but after roddy told him he would nominate danni how could jason tell danni not to nominate roddy? That was his lowest low in my opinion. |
Crossfire | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:52 am     Jason got put into a certain category practically the minute the program started. He was filmed in front of his church for his introduction. Viewers took that, and ran with it..it was how he wanted to be known. If ever he played the card, that was when. With that, comes certain expectations. So far, I don't think he has done much that anyone would complain much about, at least not from that angle. He has been pretty quiet about it during the game it seems, although last night, I did read in the LFPs that him and Danni both agree that their faith is what has kept them in the house, and God is in control of the rest. But I don't consider that playing the card as it was talk between them. Danielle on the other hand....I think she has some serious work to do cleaning up her 'soul' when this is all done. |
Theo17 | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:53 am     How can jason be danni friend, hear roddy tell him that he would nominate danni, and then go and tell dani not to nominate roddy? How is that a friend? |
Kendalia | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:00 pm     Jason HAS been vocal about his beliefs. Just yesterday when Lisa and Danielle and Marcellas were in the bathroom involved in a mojor bashing session, Jason walked through, said a couple things not related to their conversation, then when they started up again left, saying something like, "I'll leave you guys alone, you know how I hate this. More than anything." Someone please tell me how that's not sticking up for Gerry. |
Cindyluvsroddy | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:05 pm     Some people just want Roddy out .... and Jason didn't do it, so they r bailing on him ... Jason is thinking a step ahead .... the boy is allowed to chance his mind .... all of the HG's have changed their mind about something ... I think he found himself with 2 alies .. Dani and Roddy .... and he is in the middle of it.. and trying not to upset each camp ... cause if he did .. he will be on the block..... As the game moves along, he should be allowed to change his mind and make adjustments in his game plan .... |
Crossfire | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:08 pm     I suppose its worth mentioning that having two strong allies was his plan from the start. It's not like he is not doing what he said he would. |
Crossfire | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:12 pm     From the CBS website: ------- How do you plan to win BIG BROTHER? Build relationships with all players, align myself with two key people, stay in the game at all times, and adjust to any changes thrown my way. ------- And imagine...he is aligned right now with two key people. He never said the two people had to be on the same team.  |
Lovemarc | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:12 pm     "I am more than a little disturbed by the insinuation that being a christian makes someone a *moral* person -- I personally feel that morality and religion are not even remotely related." Luckhunter777, exactly what I was thinking. Some of the nastiest people I've ever known were Christians. Some of the best were not religious at all. Whether or not you are a good person has nothing to do with religion, but what is in your heart. |
Auntie | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:15 pm     I'm disgusted with Jason because he wanted an "easy week" as HOH and nominated & kept 2 easy targets so the house could have some peace & quiet. The result: the most boring week ever on BB! |
Cindyluvsroddy | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:16 pm     very good crossfire .. excellent point i agree with lovemarc as well |
Saggkl | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:24 pm     What kind of reason did Jason give Danni for not nominating Roddy? If he didn't have a really good reason, then Danni should know that he is Roddys second instead of her's. |
Kendalia | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:27 pm     Yes, Christianity = morality is a generalization. But, like most generalizations, it does come from somewhere. Because most religions preach things like tolerance, integrity, compassion, etc., it stands to reason that if you are truly a religious person, you will agree with and attempt to follow your religion's teachings on such things. There are a million and a half passages in the Bible that talk simply about being a good, caring person, while never mentioning God. It is just a part of what Christianity teaches about life in general, so it is something that most real Christians strive for. Not that they don't sometimes fall short. Humans aren't perfect. And yes, many "religious" people are not very moral. But most that I personally know are. It goes both ways. |
Jagger | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:30 pm     Great quote from Jasons bio on the cbs website crossfire, it looks to me like he is still on his game plan. I won't even get into the religion part, this is a game show and I refuse to lower myself to the point where I insult people because of their religous beleifs or actions because of their beleifs. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:33 pm     Luckhunter777 - I agree with you,too. I had a thought as I was reading this thread and the Christian topic came up again. I wonder....if Jason had been the atheist and Roddy had been the Christian but their reactions and behavior had remained exactly the same as it has been...would they still have the same fan base? Do you think all the Roddy haters would still be Roddy haters if he had proclaimed himself a Christian? Would all the Jason lovers still be supporting him this much if he had proclaimed himself an atheist and skeptic at the beginning of the game? (Remember...in this hypothetical scenario, their repective behaviors and level of kindness and/or manipulation remain exactly the same, just with their religious views are reversed) I'm just wondering how much of the board's feelings about the HG are subconsciously tainted by such things as religion. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:37 pm     I will add that *one* of the reasons I like and respect Roddy is because we share the same disbelief in religion....but I still really like and respect Jason *in spite* of his religious beliefs. |
Jagger | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:38 pm     SFJoshfan, my views of both the hgs would have stayed the same, to me religion or lack there of is your own business. When I read or post something the religion part has nothing to do with it. |
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