Marcellas says Amy isn't playing KINDLY????
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Bernie

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lance, you just freaked me out-I edited my post above before I hit enter because I agreed with everyone else, but I said those exact words before I deleted them! Great minds think alike, LOL!

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bernie, I'm good at freaking people out, it would seem:)

It's an idea we may or may not get to see if comes true for Dani--I think we have for Marc.

Bernie

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL! It wasn't you personally, just the timely coincidence of both of us having the same thought and turn of phrase-but then, so many of us are of like minds on what's going on in the house, I guess it's not really THAT surprising!

Maryann

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I figured that Marc was jealous because he wanted Roddy and it appears that Amy has Roddy (at least for the moment)
That whole tirade against Amy hurt,embarassed and
disgusted me. I also do NOT understand why Marc thinks that he has a right to change ANY human being-especially someone who, in fact, IS kind!
And now he's poisoning the others HGs against her.
This is TOO much!

Earthmother

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Marc wouldn't know "kindness" if it grew fangs and bit him!!

Draco

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to add my two cents. I agree with many of the posters. I felt so badly for Amy and am amazed that she forgave Marcellus so quickly. Marcellus did not act as a friend when giving that hurtful speech. If there was something that bothered him about Amy he should have dealt with it one on one with her. From what I've seen Amy has never said anything cruel about Marc but all Marc has been doing lately is bashing his so-called friend. He does not deserve her in his life imo.

Fluffybbw

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The problem with Marc is that without mirrors, he doesn't exist. It's what's on the outside that matters to Marc, he can't see any further than the surface of others, because he doesn't have anything but surface.

Dee723

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I feel sorry for Marc, He must be one unhappy individual to constantly have to find fault in others, even his so-called best friend to make himself feel better/superior to others. Honestly, if anyone has been worked here it IS Marcellas. He's been listening to Dani who is the key root to all the this garbage. She poisons everyone against everyone and sits back and smirks in the background. She is playing the game well, I have to give her that, but she's a horrible person.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ditto on what Dee said.

That said, I am giving Dani the benefit of the doubt on how she is outside the house. Let's just say we don't know what kind of a person she is outside of the house. Clearly she loves her family. But inside the house she has done all the unkind/horrible things to the HGs that parents are supposed to teach their children not to do. She is using a pretty nasty strategy to get her to the end. But there are no rules against it, and I guess $333,000 is worth it to her.

Bailey

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a feeling Marc walks thru life doing this over and over again. I think he must have such a low opinion of himself, that if anyone dares to think well of him.. they must be bad as well.
Maybe the people he loved in his life rejected him and convinced him he was not worthy of love... therefore, if anyone goes against what he's been taught about himself.. he ends up rebelling against them.
I agree that he wants to fit in better with who he perceives to be the "in crowd".. and I don't think it's a coincidence that they are the same ones that show him the least amount of love and kindness. JMHO... fwiw.

Screeminmeemie

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess the thing that made me most angry at Marcellas "lecturing" of Amy in front of everyone was the total look of bewilderment on her face; kind of like if your best friend slaps you across the face. There is no anger at first, only hurt and bewilderment. As he said in the DR, Amy is young. That explains a lot of her antics in the house. BUT, Marcellas in not young, so what is his very good reason to say hurtful things in front of a viewing audience. He has no sense of when to keep quiet. I go back to the cowardly things he said behind Gerry's back and the obscene name calling. He expects that no one confront him on it. Marcellas the Cowardly <>.
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Maris

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont think you can excuse behavior as that is just how they are inside the house and how they are outside the house. That is a cop out and one I imagine a few HGs are going to use. Your personality and character allow you to behave in a certain way. Danni has the ability and willingness to behave this way and I dont believe she discovered this new trait when she walked through those doors. She is a horrible person who will rip someone to shreds and fabricate stories about them to turn everyone against that person. Her behavior certainly in the last 24 hours has disgisted me totally.

Marcellas is no different, he is, someone who has no loyalty to friends and will viciously attack someone who has been loyal to him through thick and thin. He is that spoilt child we ahve all seen at the mall who whines and cries because he doesnt get what he wants.

Everyone of the HGs have done something that they will regret, the difference I see in Danielle and Marcellas is that they will have no regrets. They will justify all their actions. Danielle will say "its just business" and Marcellas, well Marcellas will claim he queened out and OMG I cant believe I did that. When they get on the outside I think they will be shocked at how people have perceived them. I just hope neither one of them has any money to show for their ugliness.

Rissa

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's great that Marc. said what he did. Because as long as Amy can keep herself in check (easier once Roddy is gone) then Marc. just handed her fourth place at least. Dani had to decide which 3rd place alliance to keep (Marc. or Lisa) and this little rant of Marc.'s just gave her the perfect excuse to get rid of him. I see a Marc/Amy nomination if any of J/D/L win HOH and if Amy wins, I can see her putting Marc up as #it-for-tat. Either way I think he is gone next week, with Amy the next week (as long as she doesn't win HOH or implode of course). The only interesting thing coming down the pike is whether Dani will keep her alliance with Jason or take Lisa. I know a lot of people think she can't win with Jason but I disagree. If she can make a good enough "Richard Hatch" type speech then she can claim to have played the game better and since that's what this was all about?

Maris

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danni and Marcellas have already agreed that Amy has to go next week. The only thing that might stop that would be Jason stepping in and saying no. Lisa wont defend Amy, not her style. she just waits in the background.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dani will avoid the decision altogether. She won't win HOH. Make the others decide. She knows she is in good with all of them. (That is, she is overextended, as Marcellus said.)

Rissa, you could be right. If the next nom is Marc v. Amy it is possible the remaining HGs will take pity on her and get rid of him first. I don't see it happening the way things lie now, but things change fast in this game.

IMO, Amy has to keep taking the high road, and make sure Jason and Lisa see her doing it. I'm not sure she can do that, she loves to make her 'speeches'.

Minnietlm63

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The joke is actually on Dani and Lisa. Marci and Amy set this whole nomination scene up. Marci's speech was planned with Amy. Yesterday morning they were laughing and high fived each other saying, "Its on".

Amy even told Jason about it yesterday while everyone was taking a nap.

I have to give Amy and Marci some credit, it was a brilliant plan.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Minnie - are you watching the same feeds as everyone else??

Bmh

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lmao Gina!..I was thinking the same thing..or was I out when this happened?

Ladytex

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Minnie, about what time was this conversation with Jason yesterday? I'd like to go back and read this in the feeds. I missed it ...

Dee723

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Minnie when exactly did this happen? I watched the live feeds yesterday and saw none of this.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I watched every second of that Convo Ladytex

All she said to Jason was that she had a great speech planned, but she couldn't tell Jason what she was going to say.

There is no secret conspiracy. Exactly when did Amy and Marc 'plan' this? And how would they have managed to do it out of earshot of all live feed watchers and cameras? And why, in every convo they have had since the nom.s do they act like it never happened?

This would be great conspiracy theory for a show like Survivor, where we don't know what 'really' happened. But here, we do. There are no 'secret' plans between Marc and Amy, as much as I wish there were.

Ladytex

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Gina for the infomation. I was out yesterday and was afraid that I'd missed something "really good" ...

Secretsmile

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone know what Marcellas just said to Dani when he got up? Were the first words outta his mouth this morning a snide remark about Amy?

I thought she said something like " I can't sleep in there with that thing."

Mollywood

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy is the new Gerry to Marci...i dont believe for a minute this was set up by amy and marci..i hope it was..if not she really ran into a snake. i wonder if even one of those three in the dani alliance doesnt feel that amy got a raw deal..get him out..he doesnt deserve anything..he has made the most cruel coments and as someone earlier said, particulately to the ones who say they love him...i also think hes jealous ..he knows from camera time, to roddy time, Amy does it better he is the unkind one my heart is with her all the way

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought the high fives that Amy did yesterday morning was after Amy won power of veto and when she told Dani and Lisa that she was NOT going to use it. (The noms were actually made the day before). At one point, Marce left the room and then Jason came in....so this convo was taking place among all five of them in 3 and 4 person groups as people came and went.

Amy was telling both Dni and Lisa about how she was not going to use the POV and all about her POV speech when she would announce that. Dani asked her for her word and Amy gave it immediately (without even making a deal to not get nommed next week in return)

Spunky

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And this will be (I'm referring to the thread title) the stroke that broke the camel's back...Amy's back that is..
If Marcellas doesn't stop hammering Amy before he knows what she'll do with POV it will be the end of him...Amy will use the veto, Roddy wins HOH and Marcellas and Danielle will be up.

Marcellas is gone next Thursday..

Secretsmile

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Amy should show them MEAN...win next HOH and put up Marc and Dani! <evil grin> They have all painted her as one of the BAD PEOPLE anyway.

Snee

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i am so disappointed in marcellas. i was a huge fan of his at the beginnning of the show, a charter member of the fan club. and...then he started getting nasty, bashing the other hg's. and now he's humiliated amy whom he called--even during the speech--his best friend on the show. he told HER that she wasn't playing with kindness and it wasn't about the game (it was about life, i suppose.) HE hasn't been playing this game with kindness. i really think that he believed what he said when he said it and his nastiness was completely gone from his head. he doesn't reconcile these two sides of his personality. it's really a shame.

i cried during that speech. (snees can be mushy like that.)

some people are saying it was a marcie/amy set-up. i hope it was!!! dang.

Earthmother

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The only agreement I know they had was that she was going to play Roddy and make him think she was going to save him. Then Marc turned around and trashed her for talking to Roddy again last night when he knew what she was doing.

I felt so bad for her too, Snee. Unfortunatly though I think she has so little self confidence that she will internalize this as yet another growing experience on her part and have Marc to thank for helping her...extremely dysfunctional..

Duncan

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy isn't doing want Marcellus wants her to do...therefore she isn't playing 'kindly'. I told this to my girlfriend during the show....Amy isn't doing it Marcellus' way, so she is now a 'bad person', and has to go. She won't let him tell her who she can and cannot talk to, and he just doesn't know what to do about that, so he lashed out in anger...which is the way he plays this game...on his emotions at the moment rather than thinking things through.

IMHO

Mimi4fun

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 02:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In a very weird way I think Marcellus is mad at her because she has been flirting with Roddy.
Even though he may not want her, he wants her to want him. He wants to be her boyfriend. Think about it for a minute,when I suggested this to my son (and fellow BB fan) he said YOU GOT IT!!

Abby

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 02:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<If there was something that bothered him about Amy he should have dealt with it one on one >lol that is funny, Marc and the others including Amy made it the house project to trash a person. None had the courage to say it to the person's face... seems strange that you are now shocked at Marc behavior... He is just running to form. This is where it gets dirty, the Vipers having rid of the pet project, turn and eat each other.

Maris

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Marcellas anger towards Amy goes back to when Amy was HOH. Amy stood up against Danni and reminded Danni about her word concerning voting Chiara out. Danni started calling Amy your girl to Marcellas which sent a very strong message to him, you better control her or you are in trouble next.

He just wants to dump her and the best way to do it is at the nominations speech for all to see. He thinks it will buy him some points with Danni and it probably did not buy him anything because next week it is going to be Amy and Marcellas on the block together.