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Azriel

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whatever is done in the name of TVClubhouse, I think Neil should okay first, too.

Those of you who are thinking about sending individual gifts, like the Bible to Jason, I think it's a wonderful thought, but I don't think it should be officially from the TVClubhouse.

There are people on this board who have different belief systems and it would be just as uncomfortable for them to send Jason a Bible as it would be for a Christian to send Gerry something that has to do with his Buddhist beliefs.

Theowl

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I love the T-Shirt idea. I'm in!!

What555456

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spygirl

I am not attacking, I just don't understand.

To me these are people doing a job and have no more impact on me persnally or my life than cartoon characters. I am just surprised that people have become so connected to them that they will take their time, energy and/or money to show affection for them.

I do not see my post as criticism so mush as just wondering what it is that causes people like you to give your time, energy and money to these people as opposed to someone in your own life? Even if it is only an hour of time or, say, $10. is there not someone in your life that would be pleased to get an extra hour of attention or a small, unexpected gift?

What is it about the BB experience that has led you to be bonded so much to people you have never met that you would go out of your way for them?

Again...not criticizing. Just wondering.

Flyonthwall

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurknomore...{{{Hugs}}} to you for whatever personal issues are bringing you distress.
I sincerely send my wishes to you for better days ahead.

What, I show appreciation to each person I come in contact with each day.
I hope it is taken as it is ment, very sincerely.

You both made your points clear, you don't like this idea and you think we that do, are caught up in some fantasy land of make believe.

I don't think anyone here is overly crazy about any of these HG. But we are about the CLUBHOUSE.
As memebers of this clubhouse we express our appreciation the way fan clubs do from time to time.

Sending some type of gift, in this case t-shirts with the logo of this Fan site on them, to me is a rational way to show support for the entertainment value of the show.

Weather it be bad or good, it has entertained us year after year.
If watching the show brings out more bad then good, then maybe the person watching should find another show to be a FAN of.

I don't think sending other gifts are appropriate IMHO. T-shirts are the best idea and show both this site and the members in a positive light.
Even the fact that they talked about us in a negative light, it does not mean we have to in turn be negative to them.

Isn't that what we're all doing here?
Being a fan of the show for entertainment value?
I don't come here to be bashed or bash others.
I come here because you are all my friends and the show is a pasttime for me. Not a reality.

If you lose that ideal then maybe it's time to move along and find another hobby.
For me, this is exactly what a FAN club should do.
I'm in, no matter what I think of each HG, Arnold S. or FOTH!!

But yes you guys make your points. We listened, and we still want to be FANS and show we support this hobby.
Nothing wrong with that.
FLy

Flyonthwall

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What, to answer your questions:
I don't look at the HG as friends, nor am I interested in connecting with them on any level except thru this fan club base.

I am not bonded with any of these HG in any way that would make me go out of my way to do something for them. Unlike last year.

I do things for others on a continual basis. Thing that make ME feel good about myself and for resons to bring ME happiness for giving of myself.

I donate things to my church on a regular basis. I donate my time when I'm able to this clubhouse doing LFP's or posting in folders for folks who are having a hard time. Giving encouragment to others.
I donate my time to posting in several health forums to others who are going thru test or proceedures that I have experience with.
I post my success or failure on different medications on medical boards that offer help to others starting on some new medical treatment.

I cook for my neighbors when they are sick.
I also donate to the humane society in my neighborhood...cleaning products for the kennels and food. Also a gift basket for the workers, because I appreciate their time and energy that they freely give.

I send card to internet pals, have a card shop on line so others can send them for free.
Make graphic's for webservices that need help for free.

I could go on but it would appear I'm bragging.
That is not my point here.
Just wanted to let you know there is a lot in my life that I do when I can.

To me this is just one more thing I can do that shows my appreciation for THIS site, which has given me so much support and enjoyment over time.

It does not matter to me what the HG have done or who they are. This to me is about the show concept and what it has brough to my life.
Being shut in much of my time, it is a source of pleasure even when it's frustraing.
But this site is always a joy, and I think others should know about it.

So lets change it and say advertise this site and send the HG and others T-shirts.
Either way I think it's a great idea and I'm still in for it!

Thanks for your questions, hope I gave a complete answer. Sometimes I don't express myself as well as I'd like to.
I didn't take you post as criticism.
FLy

Pcakes2

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What,
I really don't understand what your problem is with this. I started this thread just because I felt like doing something nice for these folks that have entertained me.

So what if they are doing their job. My mailman delivers my mail and gets paid to do so, same with the newspaper delivery boy and the milk man (yes, I get milk delivered in thick icy cold glass bottles). It's their job, but I give them all a Xmas gift, and a nice note or some baked goods a couple times a year. Have I "bonded" with these people, no, not really, it's just a kind gesture.

Oh, and I go out of my way for a lot of people.

BTW the title of this thread was not WHO WANTS TO BUY THE HGS GIFTS...it's for those wanting to do something nice. Why do many of you all associate that with money. I tossed out some ideas like collecting recipes from everyone and putting them in a book. Sending a used book to help out Gerry's school. Writing an inspirational thought in a bible for Jason.

I did not do this to get exposure for TVCH, although it would be nice. Yes, I know they made unpleasant comments about internet viewers, but that would be even more of a reason to participate (imo) and show them how great our online fan club really is. On second thought, I've seen so much crap posted lately, are there still fans at this fan club?

What555456

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 09:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fly

Ok, that I can understand -- fans expressing themselves. Thank you.

I guess what it sounded like to me was that these people had done something extraordinary or become personal friends or family members and they should be treated as such.

I understood the Monica thing. She had lost a loved one and, while no one had ever met her, because of the nature of the show there is a sense of "knowing" her. But I really was at a loss as to why someone would want to send something to these people.

But if it is just an expression that a fan shows for someone they find entertaining, this makes sense. May not be something I would do, but I can understand others doing it.

Guiltyviewer

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
First off, please understand that I've not taken the time to read the entire thread so if my comments are redundant or irrelevant, that may be the reason---don't flame me :)!

From several years' involvement with charitable organizations, I've learned there are better ways for those who want to contribute to a cause to do so. With that in mind, I have some tangible recommendations that I think would be appropriate in this effort.

Instead of sending actual books to Gerry's school, or Bible(s) with personal inscriptions to Jason, etc...it would be more of a worthwhile contribution to send whatever monetary amount a person would have spent on such items (plus shipping, postage, etc) to an already established organization accustomed to properly handling donations.

For instance, Gerry is a teacher at Wilson Middle School in Glendale, CA. His school already has an account set up to legally and appropriately receive donations on behalf of a designated person and/or cause----such as Band Boosters or Drama Club events. IF someone really wanted to make a difference in a tangible way and as a fan of Gerry (or teachers in general, or Shakesperean actors, or bald people, whatever) they could send a check to the school directly, designating it as on behalf of Gerry, and it could be used by the school under Gerry's direction. All donations as such would be accounted for, so later on an official tally of how much money was generated from BB viewers could be known, whatever items were purchased because of those donations could be photographed or somehow documented so that any who made contributions could see where their money went.
Gerry would only be able to use the funds for appropriate programs within the school, but it would be his preference---if he wanted to get new Special Ed equipment, books for the library geared towards 'his' kids, or help defray costs for a field trip, etc. That way, the school benefits, Gerry will know that it is a direct result of HIS participation on BB, the students will see how supported Gerry was---win/win/win.

I have the relevant information to properly make a donation to the school but before I'd put it on here, I think it should probably go thru an Administrator first???

Similarly, I think it wouldn't be too hard to find out from Jason's family what organizations they support (groups who distribute Bibles to those who dont' have them, food pantries, etc). A fan who wanted to show support of Jason's participation on BB could then send their check to that organization on behalf of Jason, allowing their contribution to be properly recorded and with a TRUE benefit that can make a difference.

For those who suggested sending Bibles to Jason with personal inscriptions written, please do not feel I am in any way diminishing that idea---it's just that from what we've learned of Jason, I think he would prefer any contribution to go to a worthy cause near and dear to his heart rather than to him personally. Just my opinion though, so please don't feel the need to argue the point if you feel differently---I thought it was a lovely and sweet idea myself, just felt there was more that could be done by those interested in doing 'something'.

It would be easy to list several organizations that folks could make contributions to on behalf of their favorite hg-----Marcellas LOVES museums and has been a volunteer at one of the Chicago museums for a long time--either a donation to a particular museum or the one in your own neighborhood in his name would be worthwhile. Possibly a scholarship fund could be established thru a designated bank in Danielle's daughters' names for those interested in showing her support. Or maybe her father's church. A possibility for Roddy fans would be to contribute to an agency doing research for the disease that killed his childhood friend (Roddy might even change his opinion of Internet viewers if he saw the good they can do.)

Lots of options for each houseguest if we do a little creative thinking and minimal research. It's just that a CONSOLIDATED, organized effort will usually make a bigger, more effective impact than a happenstance one, regardless of how heartfelt it may be.

Okay, I am rambling waaaaaay tooo much here --- I apologize. Taking some pain meds that make me feel like I've taken a coupla swigs of Hillbilly's Happy Jug and so I'm especially chatty! Please don't judge me or if you must, 'grade on the curve' :).

Good thoughts to all the generous folks who are the BB 'family'!! PEACE.

Lurknomore

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spygirl...you would like to ask "offically"??? Sorry but I thought that's up to the Neil and the mods. Like all threads I hope we all would be welcome to toss in our 2 cents and if it differs from yours then just ignore me. But can't I give my viewpoints?

Guilty, I think you raise some EXCELLENT points, ones that I would tend to go along with. Again, it's my personal philosophy, but I'd like to see my donations do a greater good when possible.

I'm not putting anyone down for their personal choices...that most certainly is your right. I just still don't get the idea of buying fan gifts for some HG's who repeatedly mocked the fans.

But I think I've said all I have to say on the subject beyond another thanks to Fly...I'm so hoping this black cloud moves along and SOON! I'm getting quite worn down. I'm off to find a nice happy thread now :)

Cassandra

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not a basher and if you want to give your money for the T-shirts then go for it. I just believe that that money could be used for a better cause than giving the house guests T-shirts that they will not wear and will not appreciate. Go ahead and pool your money together but why not donate it to a worthy cause in this fan club's name or put it in the houseguests' names. In the long run I think that would make everyone feel better.

Pcakes2

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Boy, am I sorry that I started this.

Let me clear some things up. This was not meant to BUY something for the houseguests. If your going to put your 2cents in, then read the thread. We were not going to send multiple biblesto Jason...just one Bible with everyone writing a note or inscription. Pieces of paper with peoms or recipes or whatever. If you have a used children's book, send it to a school. NOT making charitable donations in someones name. I envisioned more of a craft project thing than buying gifts or giving money. This has gotten totally out of control. And finally, this was just an idea that I tossed out. No one is required to participate, and we don't even know if this will be done...I just started this thread to see if anyone would be interested. Do I now need Neil's permisssion (no offense, Neil)to start a thread to ask about something.

Wedge

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Pcakes2, check your email. I sent ya a few ideas. :)

Flyonthwall

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
{{{{Pcakes2}}}} I feel ya!

I'm out of this thread, but still here if you need me, email me K?

I think the "FAN" has left this club.

FLy

Theo17

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 11:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The hgs should be looking to do something for us not the other way around.

Ruditoo

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said Fly(all of the above post). As a BB Fan I'm in Pcakes2. GO Go Go

Spygirl

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 04:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll ask this one more time as nicely as possible, although my patience has long left this thread.

The purpose of this thread was not to house a debate on whether or not someone wanted to do something nice. Instead, it was started for those who wanted to do something to discuss what we might consider doing.

So, when I respectfully asked that all other OFF TOPIC posters avoid this thread, I did that with full-on rights. It is not okay to go into an "I like Danielle" thread and post why you dislike her and this is no different. The title of this thread is not "justify why you feel it necessary to do something nice".

SOME people have now turned this thread into a debate requiring those of us wanting to do something nice to DEFEND, EXPLAIN, and JUSTIFY our personal feelings to you all who clearly couldn't care less about our answers. Your agendas were simply to attempt to make the rest of us feel like crap for wanting to do something. I do not need to justify my desire to do something nice and I most CERTAINLY do not need to provide a resume of my charitable contributions (as Fly so patiently did in her above post) for you to review and deem "sufficient" enough to be able to spare my time to the houseguests.

This thread is NOT the place for a debate about the issue of doing something nice. So again -- please leave this thread alone if you have no interest whatsoever in contributing constructively to this project.


P.S. I do not believe it is necessary to have Neil or a moderator come into each and every thread to remind everyone to stay on topic. We as long-time posters should have the good sense to be able to do that on our own. Everyone is welcome to toss their "two cents" into any and all discussions when they are relevant to the thread in which they are posted. But if you're trying to shop in France with two cents from Canada, you're S.O.L.

Maris

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 04:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Psst, Spygirl do me a favor and run into that Good Riddance Gerry thread and tell all those off topic people to get the heck out of my thread. Thanks. Much appreciated.

P.S. Pcakes you can count on me for a little contribution (except for a bible)

Twiggyish

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 04:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
PCakes, you're only asking those people who WANT to contribute. If anyone doesn't want to be involved, then they don't have to do it.

I think it's a nice gesture.
(I like the T-Shirt idea)

Seamonkey

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 04:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd be happy to go in on Tshirts, or any other small item that would be equal for each houseguest.

If that project develops, I'll donate happily to that. Hopefully a thread will appear with specifics.

After I see who walks away with money, and if any of them do set up funds or whatever (I'm mostly thinking of Jason's youth group idea and Gerry's school kids, well, that will probably be an individual thing.

I consider TVCH itself to be the cause of much pleasure in regards to BB and so many other topics, so I'd hope people would feel generosity in that direction.

But that is just me..

Moderator

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 04:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, let's make this the "Should TVCHers Do Something for the HGs" Thread.

I'm starting an alternate thread for those who wish to discuss what they would like to do without it being debated.

(K)

Classycassfan

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 05:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Someone just tell me where to send the 20 bucks I usually spend on a banner to who ever in the past has been my favorite HG since there are no banners allowed (grrrrrr ASP) I might as well still spend it on my favorite ... So Gerrys has said he wants a fund raiser for his school... who was it that had his schools info... please post it in my members file... that is where my 20 bucks is going...

Spygirl

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 05:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's the link to the new thread where those who WANT to do something constructive and nice can contribute to the discussion:

What should we do for the houseguests?

Guiltyviewer

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
CLASSYCASSFAN: I couldn't FIND your folder unless I'm looking in the wrong place maybe?? Isn't it in the TVCH Members Only and then would be under your name? Sorry I'm not that familiar with communicating that way--don't even have a folder myself :). Will be happy to send you the school info given to me by the school principal on how best to donate on behalf of Gerry to that school. Might take as long as 24 hrs for me to get back with you depending on when you post your reply to this---could also be right away, too. Promise I'll reply though...peace!

Scorpiomoon

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
NO! We should not do something for the hgs!

Scorpiomoon

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And this is post #100!

Theo17

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
it was moved. sorry

Twiggyish

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Guilty, I think Classy is listed with her sister Bbdiva. You were at the right spot!

Bernie

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 03:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Flyonthewall, thank you for your response to my post.
The original question in the thread referenced Monica's quilt, then asked:
"Would anyone like to do anything for the houseguests?"
I replied to the question, and my answer was 'no'.
I then explained why my answer was 'no', and made suggestions as to what, in my opinion, could be done for the houseguests. Therefore I feel that my post was completely on topic, and was not in any way intended to be disrespectful to the original poster.
I will honour your suggestion and stay away from this thread henceforth, and also any others referring to this topic.
Your reminder that this is the BB Fanclub was unnecessary. I wouldn't be here, if I wasn't a fan, but I was under the impression that all our opinions are welcomed, and have equal weight. If that isn't the case, then I'll just go back to lurking.
God bless.

Guiltyviewer

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 03:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Twig! I can get lost so easily ---found it just as you said. :)

Ginger1218

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a better idea, how about if everyone here buys me a present? Hey, I am nice and I can be vicious and I can talk about my sex life, and I can drink and eat cheese all day, and I can quote the bible and then talk about people viciously. I want a present (throwing a tantrum) :)

Moderator

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 04:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A member here at TVCH took it upon themselves to gather information for donating to Gerrys school. Here is the letter:

I contacted Gerry’s school yesterday and spoke with the principal, Richard Lucas, explaining that I was acting in NO official capacity but was a BB fan and TVCH member. Some members had expressed an interest in showing support for Gerry by donating money to the school and/or sending used books for the school library. Mr. Lucas was very appreciative of this and asked we encourage our members to do so in a way that makes it easier on his staff as well as provide easy accountability for all donations. Anyone wanting to mail books should clearly indicate “Book Donation” on the package---in our current security aware environment nowadays, you can appreciate his valid concerns for receiving unsolicited packages. He emphasized that donors might want to insure the book titles are appropriate for middle school ages (7th, 8th, and 9th grade at his school) so no donated book might be deemed ineligible for library circulation.

For any check donations, he will use the already established account used for fund-raising proceeds so that a correct tally of fans’ donations can be done very easily. Once the donations are finalized, whatever funds are involved would be used to buy items chosen by Gerry and most likely with his students’ input. It may result in the purchase of books, equipment, field trips, etc…Mr. Lucas said Gerry was one of the most popular teachers on campus, beloved by faculty and students alike. Knowing Gerry, he felt certain Gerry would prefer to incorporate the kids into the selection process as well as sending thanks to the donors. He thought it likely that once the donation is used, a group photo with Gerry, students, and the item(s) could be added to the school’s website for anyone who donated to see where their funds were used.


If you are interested in donating or have questions regarding donations please email Donations4GerrysKids@Hotmail.com . This account is in no way shape or form related to TVCH/BBFC. Please only use this email if you are interested in donating.


We at the TVCH moderating staff want to thank the anonymous member who took time out of their day to collect the information. This member is what sets TVCH above all other fan sites! This person is a true "Fan" and a wonderful caring human being!

Thank you,

Moderator staff

This message will also be posted in Gerry's Fan Mail Folder.