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Wendo

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
After watching tonight's show, a question popped into my head. Are the producers being fair and accurately portraying each HG's as they really are? As as game players, and their strategy?

I have to say, after tonight, I really don't think so.

As a live feed watcher, I see quite a bit that never makes it on to the show. (Work from home, so my feeds are on constantly.)

As far as the game, IMO, certain game players are portrayed as more "saintly" than others. In this case, Danielle versus Roddy, where Roddy has been portrayed as the "honest" player over Danielle. During tonights show, we saw a segment that showed Danielle lying to Roddy when he confronted her about the accusation she's going after him. And, she said she wasn't, though she admitted she lied in the DR and is going after him.

Roddy, on the other hand, is not being shown as a liar. They showed a flashback of him in the HOH with Jason telling him he trust him and never said he didn't trust him. But, those of us with the live feeds are well aware that he repeatedly told Marcellas, Lisa, Dani, and Amy that Jason was untrustworthy. In addition, he has not protected him, even mentioning his name as a person who should go on the block. Showing a clip with Roddy saying he doesn't trust Jason and suggesting he be put on the block would be giving an accurate portrayal of Roddy as a game player.

I have no problem if the HG's lie or deceive, it's part of the game. However, I don't think it's been balanced for all the game players, only for some, and imo, that's not fair to the other HG's. The jury will see the tapes when making their decision as to who they feel played the better game. How can that be balanced if the producers show one HG lying and not the other, when we (the live feeders) are well aware that most, if not all, have lied?

Just curious as to others thoughts.

What555456

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It sounds to me like Jason should be one of the producers. They all look at Roddy through rose colored glasses.

Lisa_Or_Dani

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, I think they're saving all of Roddy's "doozies" for a big montage and it will be shown when he gets to the final 2. That will slant the votes against him and he will LOSE.

Cindyluvsroddy

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
omg!!!! did u see tonights show????

Every house guest used the word 'Devil' or 'Evil' when talking about Roddy!!

Every house guest also said they didnt trust Roddy!!!

thats doesnt sound like they r out to portray roddy as the "honest" guy ..

Battlestar

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
---them using the words Devil or Evil only shows how much influence the 'Real Devil of the House' has on all of them.

Cameltoes

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy has said that he doesn't give them what they want in the DR. I think that is why he is very much a non-entity on the TV show. I really don't think they are trying to slant things against Danielle (I get the impression they really do like Danielle and Marcellas because of how open they are in there). I just think they don't know how to flesh him out as a player without help from DR sessions. I think they rely on the DR as an expository tool and Roddy is not helpful.

Also, I noticed early on that Amy wasn't accurately portrayed and she has admitted to having not given most of the DR people what they want. She says she's only able to open up with Amy in there. I think she is better portrayed now because they are getting better DR sessions with her.

Car54

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, I think we saw a lot of the real Roddy in the past two shows. He was scary in the scenes where he totally hypnotized Jason, and tonight I thought they made it pretty clear how Lisa and Danielle see him.

I think the producers see him being there to the end, and are setting him up step by step.

I felt like they did the same thing with Will...week by week building the picture of him.

They have to fill 3 hours a week...they are laying out the plotline.

Secretsmile

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The producer's job isn't to be fair, it's to plot a show. If they were truly unfair FCC would be on them in a hearbeat.

We just get caught up in the editing 'cuz we care about the hg's

Gina8642

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Personally, I didn't like the way the showed Danielle. I thought they made her out to be way nicer than she is on the live feeds.

Perhaps we are all just so biased already, that no matter how the show is edited we are sure they are slighting our favorite HGs and showing our disliked HGs in a favorable light.

Cameltoes

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I disagree with the Will comparison. His DR's were central to the show even early on. One of his earliest ones was when he declared himself "the puppeteer". When I didn't like Will it was mostly because of his DR entries and when I started to love him, it was also because of his DR entries.

Theo17

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do not think they have been fair to gerry. They make marcy look like this funny adorable guy and leave out all his nastiness but have taken many shots at gerry.

Ramrod

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, were we watching the same show tonight?? They portrayed Dani as the mother playing the game for her family ad naseum, and portrayed Roddy in a bad light. Did you not hear the music in the background whenever Roddy was shown? I thought it was unfair and disgusting. Also, Marcellas gets off looking like the jolly clown, Amy as the sweetheart looking for love. What a load of crap.

Bailey

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, I agree with you. I think our impressions of what is fair will always be skewed by who we like in the first place. I don't think the producers are as unfair to Dani as they are to some others.. obviously, Gerry being the first and foremost. But I don't think Roddy was portrayed in a good light at all. I think the show gave thumbs up to Dani a lot more than it did Roddy.
Tonight I felt like they portrayed Marcellas very well.. they didn't show any of the ugliness he has displayed this week. Of course, for entertainment purposes, he gives them a lot to work with.. so I'm not sure I totally fault them for that. But more and more, I'm getting the impression that the producers have their obvious favorites to win.. and I haven't seen evidence of Roddy being one of them.

Cindyluvsroddy

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
thank you RamRod .... i watched the same show u did!!!!

Csnog

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have said from the begining that the show is "FIXED"

Because of this I have written to the sponsors of the show.

Miller Brewery
Dunkin Donuts
Subway

BB knows who they want to win and they portray the HG's as they (BB) want them to appear.

Marcie is still shown as cute while he is disgusting and ugly inside.

Dannie starts every mean thing about a HG and gets the others to do her dirty work. She would have received things from home but she has thrown HOH.

Lisa is a better player since Eric left but is now listening to Dannie to much.

Roddy plays mind games but he doesn't bash very often.

Amy is listening to Dannie's crap about other HG's also.

Jason is playing both ends against the middle.

Gerry is going home.

Maryk

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
IMO, the show was slanted toward Danni and Marcellas. But as others have pointed out, our perceptions might skew our opinions in favor on who we liked in the first place.

Wannabb3

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know what though......they (the houseguests) know that the show can portray them in any way they choose. It is written in the contract that way.

Hippyt

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well,I hardly like any of them,and I think the producers love to edit comments the HGs make to fit whatever image they want portrayed for that show!
I agree Marci is shown as some cute,sweet little
guy,no mention of him sitting around all day talking trash about everyone else.
I wrote a message to this effect last week,but I guess I was a little 'bashy' cause admin deleted it! Bad me!

Battlestar

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Make ya wonder what the contestants of other 'reality' shows are really like

Car54

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would agree that Will was always a central player last year, but it wasn't until about mid-way or more that I began to realize (from the show, not the board or feeds) that he was a serious contender.

Roddy too has had a lot of air time..but has not been featured much..he talks a lot..when they start a segment, most of the time it is either Danielle or Roddy or Marcellus who narrate the opening...

The past two weeks, tho, we have really seen more of Roddy. The big difference in Roddy and Will is that Roddy is not revealing his thoughts in the DR, and Will, entertainer that he is, spilled it all. Much more fun to watch. Roddy is keeping it honest...he says nothing in the DR that he would not want on tape.

I feel like this guy NEVER forgets for one second that he is on camera and that he is in the game. He must be exhausted.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This show was set up for the "Clash of the Titans" expected next week. Marc even used those words in the DR.

I agree that Marc has not had his "ugly" side revealed. But to do that would also be unfair to Gerry and Gerry's family. They have to balance out the pros and cons of that type of manuever.

Still love Jason. I don't like the characterization that Jason is weak (and I truly don't think he was portrayed that way) and I'm dismayed at Jason's fair weather fans. However, when Jason begins to shine I'm sure they will all come flocking back and board the Jason Express once again!!

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The stunning difference between the show and the feeds is how Marcellus is portrayed as a spoiled 14 year old girl on T.V. but in reality is a mean, backstabbing, rude, and insecure 14 year old girl on the feeds. He scares me either way. The backstabbing of Gerry throughout this game has been largely ignored. It is the house sport.

Eden

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I did think they portrayed Roddy in a malevolent light tonight, even slowing down his reactions to make them seem more sinister. While they didn't actually show instances of his lies, they did not make him look like a nice guy who is just misunderstood by his fellow HGs. I think they made it clear that he is playing the game but in a much less forthright way than everyone else.

I agree, Car, Roddy is never OFF. He's aware every moment of what he is saying and what he is doing and how it might be perceived. This is one controlled, cold guy.

Nimtu

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did you guys see that one shot of Roddy (at the end of one of the segments - looked like he was outside on all fours) right after Dani said something about him being the devil? He really did look evil - eyes kind of slated up - put little horns on his head and it would be really funny (or maybe I am just real tired). In any case..as a member of Cindy's Roddyhaters club..I still would have to agree that Roddy was portrayed pretty evil tonight (even though I think it was accurate :) ). Waiting for Marcellus to get his day (think Amy has had many turns!) Any I like Jason all the time (well the Roddy thing has me concerned...but here's hoping :) )

Annitar

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My biggest problem with the producers is the way Marcie is being portayed on the TV shows. His actions time after time are mean, hurtful, and spiteful and none of that has ever to make even one of the shows.

While they have raked Gerry over the coals time and time again. It makes me sick that people out there that don't have the live feeds think Marcie is this really funny, cute gay guy. When in REALITY he is more often than not just downright mean in his actions.

The convo between Amy & Marcie talking about the ways Gerry could die should have made the show. I am confident if it had been between any of the other HGs on the show it would have!