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Romans8_1

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a question before I head off to bed ... What would you say is the major turning point in the game so far ...

My guess is
1) Gerry nominating Lisa and Eric (this started the downfall of the couples including the betrayal by Kiki)
2) Gerry vetoing Marcellas (that sure has come back to haunt some people)

Maris

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eric not getting back in the house. If Eric had gotten the votes it would be a different game. Danni would be gone.

Groucho

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara nominating Josh and Roddy to get Josh evicted. She evicted an ally and someone who would have been a lightning rod for everyone else's dislike and mistrust. And she missed a chance to get rid of someone else who would have been a threat to her and Roddy, like Dani or Marc.

Lucas

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy not seeing the BIG picture...then Amy returning.
Roddy did not see that there were others more than his 'chosen' in the first few weeks. He truly belived he and the 'couples' would make it to the end...then he could do his magic....Then when that did not work...and Eric left, and Amy returned his work really went sour!!!

Jimmer

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Groucho, Exactly what I was going to post. Especially, Roddy not trying harder to convince her not to nominate Josh. Chiara herself later realized what a mistake that was.

Bmh

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow there are so many different opinions..I am not really sure..there are different turning points for different people in the game...but I agree with the Lisa/Eric nomination that was a big turning point that included Chiara's betryal that stirred a whole mess of problems

Bbwhiners

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry using his veto on Marc - imagine the house w/out him and Lori there to run herd on Dani's mouth.

Cameltoes

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with your two choices. Though, I would say Jason's vote to evict Eric moreso than the nomination itself. I think that and Gerry using the POV are the most pivotal thus far.

Csnog

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry vetoed Marcie and Lori was evicted.

If Marcie had gone maybe Gerry would have bonded closer to Lori and Dannie would have been gone.

Vanillarose

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmmm...so far I'd say that the turning points are Amy returning, and when the HG's all began to decide as a group (for the most part, anyway) to go after Roddy.

Niceguy

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As much as I personally like Lori I don't think she could build coalitions as well as Dani. On the other hand if Dani could have been caught red-handed at some of her treachery by Lori that would have saved her.

Niceguy

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara truly did have her head in the clouds. Imagining life with Roddy after the game with the money.

Lombadier

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry's veto of Marcellas.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The turning point of this game was when Jason and Danielle decided to unite. No eviction or veto has derailed them. No other moves in this game have mattered. They have kept this a secret and never told a soul. Every person they wanted out has been eliminated one by one. This is a $500,000 turning point.

Blossumtree

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree that the major turning point was Danielle and Jason's alliance, thus far it is the most successful alliance in BB history. if it will stay that way remains unclear but most of their advisary's are now gone. except for roddy, the rest of the HG's seem quite content to let dani win it. everyone is more concerned with making sure they get to the end with her, not knowing that that spot has already been filled by jason.

say what you will about dani but know one has played this game harder (except perhaps for Will) if she wins she's defintely going to need a vacation. :)

Csnog

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The turning point for Roddy was the eviction of Amy.

When Roddy played mind games with them for the 7-0 eviction he allowed the HG's to see how he worked.

It was all over for him after that.

Earthmother

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it was when they allowed an evicted hg to come back into the game. I didn't think it was right then and still don't think it's right. Whether she was liked, disliked, added to the game or what, by letting her back in it took the game away from those who were playing. I realize it was expect the unexpected but I truly felt it gave help to some while sealing the fate of others. I don't care who would have been put back in the house I just don't think it was fair-play.

I'm not unhappy that Chiara got evicted but I do not think it is right for someone to be allowed to come back after having 2 weeks to plot revenge on one hg and give another hg an ally.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The alliance of Jason and Danielle negated any chance that Roddy had. He played the game too hard too early. He has never been a factor for the $500,000, and people that post on this board often forget that the object of being in that house for 80 days is winning the money. Roddy has watched Eric, Josh, Chiara, Amy, and Gerry get evicted without once trying to save even one of them. His lack of any argument to save Gerry was paricularly stupid. Roddy is a self-centered motor mouth without the proper skills necessary to play this game at a winning level. It was over for Roddy the minute he walked in the door. Too smarmy.

Battlestar

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Chiara nominating Josh. He was an ally becuae they both were on the Roddy team.

Once he was gone, Chaira and Roddy were looking at the door.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There was never a Roddy team. Roddy never really cared about Chiara. Josh was a friend of Roddy only because it benefitted Roddy. Roddy has been playing the game for Roddy the whole time. I repeat, there NEVER was a Roddy team. Period.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think roddy and kikis nomination speechs brought out a real nastiness and set up the get roddy campaigns

Tre34

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh leaving the show.

Blossumtree

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree wood. roddy had faux alliances but nothing as permanent and lasting as that of D & J. if he was smart he would have latched on to J before Danielle got to him. roddy's major problem is that he tried to control their minds and ends up destroying an ally instead, danielle does a similar thing but she does it in a "motherly" way that is more acceptable and underhanded; and roddy, being a man, just can't compete with that type of tactic.

Bailey

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The Dani/Jason alliance wasn't a turning point.. it was there since week one. The turning point was when Eric was voted out and Lisa was swayed to the "other side". This happened thanks to Chiara trying to do Roddy's bidding for him while Roddy sat there confident that his friend wasn't going anywhere. Once Lisa was lost as an ally.. and Chiara made the most ignorant strategic move of all times when she nom'd R & Josh.. the tide flowed completely towards Dani & Company.
I'm a Roddy supporter here.. but can see when and where it all went wrong for him.

Blossumtree

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
that fact that the d & J alliance happened in the beginning makes it the major turning point. their alliance shifted the game and guided it to it's present form. after all, who are the 2 people still there who have never been nominated? it's no mere coincidence.