Why is Roddy in such a bad position??
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Mellbell416 | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:37 am     Every one of these 'reality' competitions is a chess game - you move one piece, someone else moves a piece, an event comes into play. Sometimes you can look back and say where it is that someone lost the game. Roddy may be a great player, but he really has no cards left to play with, no alliances anymore to rely on. All he has now is his amazing ability to mess with people's mionds, and even that tactic has grown old. You compare that to Dani, who has almost all the ex-HGs and present HGs rooting for her, and she is often able to influence other people's actions. Roddy hasn't been nearly as succussful. So what gives? Is it because he was obviously a strong player from the beginning, so that others knocked out his supports? Is it because he was part of an early and obvious alliance (with Tonya, Eric, Lisa, Josh etc.)? Is it because of the 'couples' stigma? Where did he go wrong? |
Maris | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:42 am     Not making an alliance with Danni. If he had made an alliance with Danni, it would have been the two of them running that house. Putting it all down to a power struggle between the two strongest players was his mistake. He thought he could win it with his version of chilltown. |
Ocean_Islands | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:42 am     Because he hung out with the 'cool' people who thought they were entitled, just like last year. And he lost out. |
Theo17 | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:44 am     while I agree with ocean I just think he was too competitive and came across as intimidating. Didnt know when to pull back a bit. I'm a hockey player also and I'm like roddy in that sometimes we let our own need to win overtake what we want to accomplish. |
Mellbell416 | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:49 am     Yah, but Dani's pretty competitive and aggressive too, and it has only benefitted her, whereas Roddy is pretty much toast. |
Loriwillwin | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:51 am     The same thing happened with Will. Will just stood there helplessly while his landsmen, Shannon, then Boogie, then Krista, went away. Buh bye, Chilltown! Yet the remaining HG's kept Will around because he just wasn't a threat. He couldn't win an HOH competition (or any other competition) to save his life - or so everyone thought. You yelled at him. He hung his head and took it, later blowing off steam in the DR. Guess who won the game? In some respects, Dani resembles Will (mostly in her refusal to win any of the challenges). I honestly believe (and Dani's winning will bear that out) that NOT being HOH is one of the ways you win "Big Brother." |
Bbrules4ever | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:52 am     he was too fake. |
Earthmother | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:53 am     Dani is a better manipulator, she knows how to keep her people in line..lol They are afraid to buck her. Roddy manipulated but wasn't willing to smear others or treat them like they had leprosy. |
Theo17 | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:54 am     Mel being competitive is great but dani has been able to know when to pull up. She didnt force a roddy vote for many weeks. She saw that the numbers didnt work so laid off the throttle. Its like a race. we all want to go full speed but if you do in the corners you end up hitting the wall. |
Bastable | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:56 am     Like Oceans said, he lorded his power with the cool kids who thought they were 'entitled.' Since no one likes to re-live high school, he squandered his options. |
Mellbell416 | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:00 pm     Bastable - it's true that it did start out feeling like high school with the 'cool' couples and all the geeky ones on the side! LOL But Dani is just as nasty about those outside of her 'cool' group. I think it's just that she stayed below the radar for longer - Rod's alliances were out there for all to see, and her position of strength was hidden for a long time. |
Bastable | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:04 pm     I dunno... Danni can be unkind (heck, they all can, except Jason) but she, unlike Roddy, doesn't remind me of those nasty jock types who made everything miserable for all the high schoolers. She's more like one of the smart girls who hang out together, have everyone's number, and do what they can to eke out a sense of power. Don't you agree? And like you said, she flew below the radar. But then, because there was such as backlash against Roddy's crew, it worked in her favor. People flocked to her. Ta-da! Remember "Heathers"? One nice Heather replaces another and becomes mean. |
Groucho | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:09 pm     I think Roddy's biggest problem was he just couldn't read the house very well. He never caught on to the fact that Danielle was his biggest threat until just recently. I'm not sure he even understands now the strength of the D/J/L alliance. And remember when he said something to the effect that "There's no way Jason is playing this game"? He's done great at forming personal bonds and using these to convince individual HGs to do his bidding. But you need more than that in this game. You need an offensive strategy to outflank your enemy. He never seemed to have this, he was just playing week by week and assuming he'd get by on his charm and ability to manipulate. Meanwhile, his allies were getting picked off one by one and his enemies were growing stronger. Even recently he wasn't in that bad of a position. If he'd gone to Marc and Amy and said, look, these guys are out to get us, we need to work together, he'd be in great shape. Instead, he effectively decided to rely on his ability to influence individuals -- Marc not to nominate him, Amy to veto him, etc. Sooner or later that was bound to run out. |
Bbnan | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:12 pm     Roddy underestimated the other people in the house. He not only underestimated their intelligence, but he underestimated their will and determination. He especially didn't count on the team of Danni and Jason. One has to admit that their alliance is strong. They have never doubted each other or each others decisions. |
Kalekona | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:22 pm     Roddy for such a "smart" guy choose his alliences poorly. his extreme ego made him believe that no one would ever NOT think he was the nicest, greatest person in the house. He ignored Lisa and pushed for her to be evicted in facor of Eric and no thinks she is still in his back pocket Danille hasn't "run" the others each one has made their own decission on who to vote for and who to nominate. Marcellas did as he wanted, Jason went against her and Amy made her promise to vote her way before she would do what Dani wanted. She is the leader no doubt but she is far from a dictator. Unlike Roddy who felt if you didn't do what he wanted it was a betrayal , like Jason. |
Goddess146 | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:22 pm     Dani's power has been derived from being the anti-Roddy organizer. Without Roddy to oppose she will have no power. Just watch.... |
Cameltoes | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:40 pm     Roddy mistakenly joined up with wrong half of the house. He looked at the original 6 and saw a bunch of people he could use instead of looking to the other side of the house to find true allies. He said he initially thought Lori would be a strong person to align with in the house (he voted for her to be HOH over Lisa) and when that didn't pan out, he didn't look for someone to replace her in that role. Instead he got caught up with Josh and the others and assumed he could easily manipulate everyone in there. He, Danielle and Jason could have formed a very powerful alliance. |
Ministryoftruth | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:44 pm     I think part of Roddy's strategy was to allow his allies to be evicted one by one so that he could pad the jury with sure votes for himself. He thought he could control the people in the house while playing the game with what he considers integrity (not directly lying, not dissing others etc . . .) and continue to escape nomination, or at least eviction to the end by being everybody's friend. He just underestimated Dani's power and failed to see all of Dani's alliances. JMO |
Zeyna | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:48 pm     I've seen a few posters mention the padding of the jury votes. But, how could he be padding the jury when eventually everyone but the last two will be voted out? So in the end, his friends and his enemies would be all on the jury. |
Gouraphik | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:50 pm     Roddy's flaw is that he hasn't realized that he needs to adapt to the new circumstances in the house. Either that, or he can't bring himself to do what it takes. So far, he's been trying to convince Amy to martyr herself for him. He has at least two other options, however: 1) Confess to the other HG's, act contrite (convey shame over what he did), and admit that he is indeed the "devil" (or that he acted in a dishonorable manner) in order to regain credibility, and gain sympathy. The other HG's want him to apologize for what they believe he did. He doesn't need to believe that he did anything wrong...he just needs to give them what they want. He needs to co-opt the message of "Roddy is the devil" and make it work for him, in other words. 2) Demonstrate how Danielle will eliminate the other HG's on her path to the top 2, causing them to lose faith in her, doubt her motives, and view her with as skeptical an eye as they currently view him. Whether Roddy survives or not, if he wants to have "the last laugh", he needs to give the other HG's the tools (or the bias) needed to view Danielle negatively. Now, he doesn't need to slander Danielle in order to do this...sly observations and tame satirical jokes will suffice. He may not do this...either because he won't come up with the idea, or because he just won't want to do it. He also may not have enough time to pull it off. But the fact that he hasn't yet adapted to the new situation, and continues to use "brute force" manipulation tactics, reveals why he's still in trouble. |
Bohawkins | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:52 pm     I think Roddy's mistake was his alliance with Chiara, which turned out to be his undoing. Chiara, instead of realizing that she, Roddy and Josh were a strong alliance of three, nominated the very two people who could have voted together to eliminate, whomever the three of them agreed would be their biggest threat (perhaps Danielle and Jason). At that stage of the game Gerry was very much easily influenced by Roddy and could have been counted on to vote with them. Roddy's mistake was aligning with Chiara. |
Blossumtree | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 01:04 pm     instead of playing the martry all roddy needed to do was convince Lisa, Marc, and Amy that while they may be fine with dani going to the end the second slot has been filled by jason since the first week and that there is no way they will be going to the end with her. and he should state that if they don't believe him then confront jason about it. jason would crack under the pressure and spill the beans about the whole thing. |
Allietex | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 01:22 pm     Roddy's downfall was that he could not control his alliance. There was disension in the ranks and he was unable to pull them together. And then he just ignored Gerry. Sure he gave him a little attention now and then, played chess with him, and engaged in intellectual conversations. He discounted Gerry as a nonenity. What he should have done was draw Gerry into his group. Gerry was there ripe for the picking for whichever group reached out to him. He didn't and when Gerry became HOH he began the dismantling of Roddy's alliance. Then he could not control Josh and Josh alienated everyone in the house, including his own group. Chia got him out and there was two of his group gone. Think back and consider how different this game would have been if Gerry had nominated say Dani and Marc. Eric would have not gone and they would have probably controlled the vote on who came back in. If Chia had nominated two of Dani's alliance instead of Josh, the enemy would have been another person short. Roddy's downfall was at the hands of his own alliance and his own shortsightedness. Perhaps if he had been the original organizer of the group things would have been different. There was no clearcut leader until too late. In Dani's group she was the leader from the git go. |
Mellbell416 | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 04:59 pm     God, I am just blown away by the thoughtfulness of all your posts. I find it easier to see why he failed in the end now. Although some Rodster fans -like WCV (you know you luv him, WCV) - are probably still hoping against hope! |
Seamonkey | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 05:27 pm     Much of the above is excellent.. and then there is so much that is simply not under his control.. as in that's the way the cookie crumbles.. but I'd say his quick exit from the bathtub at the entry of the eels may have had a major influence on things. |
Csnog | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 06:01 pm     I think his biggest mistake was the week he was HOH. Roddy allowed all the HG's to see how his mind worked and what his methods were. Chiara was his achilles heel. He could have formed so many alliances. For all his intelligence he has let a street smart person (Dannie) out think him. |
Wink | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 06:29 pm     The alpha-male has simply been outplayed by the alpha-female to this point. He does not have the advantage of having been a mother and doesn't seem to be able to think outside the box. And he's a <>. |
Creampuff | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 07:25 pm     When the other houseguests had the realization that Roddy was using pretty much the same tactics on all of them, at different times, it had to be dealt with! Most of what he said to each of them was way too predictable and when he started having convos they absolutely knew when they were being played. Since he tells everyone how intelligent he is I would have thought he could have been more clever. Did he really think they didn't notice? This is my interpretation as to why he is in such a bad position. |
Costacat | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 07:34 pm     I think Roddy made several mistakes: 1. He underestimated the other HGs 2. He overestimated himself 3. He made a poor decision in aligning with Chiara 4. He made a poor decision in aligning with the 6 I think Roddy came in to the game with a preconceived notion that he was so superior -- mentally, physically, emotionally -- to any other HG, that he would naturally gravitate towards the top (cream rises and all that). I think he also had plans to never say anything negative about any HG, so that if/when the evicted HGs saw the "tapes" they would know he never badmouthed them. But mostly, I agree with BBnan. He totally underestimated the other HGs. He also has misread alliances of others (thinking there were none and there were). |
Bailey | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 08:01 pm     I agree with what most everyone has said so far.. but I also want to add that another big downfall for him was encouraging Chiara to vote out Lisa. By doing that he not only lost Eric, but he lost Lisa as an ally as well. IMO, that's when it all started to unravel for him. |
What555456 | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 08:36 pm     Roddy is also not the leader that Dani is. Dani forms a team, of which she sits as chairperson of the group, not as queen. She listens to her disciples and will not push them further than they want to go. And she listened closely to their advice. She also kept her team small -- just Jason for a long while, then added Lisa, and will drop Lisa in a couple of weeks Roddy formed individual alliances but never brought them together as a group. he also saw himself as the King to be listened to and obeyed, not the leader of a team. He did not listen to advice, but mandated what was to happen. Thus, no one else had a vested interest in the decisions because they were made for them, not with them. Thus, when things began to unravel, he was the only one to blame and the only one to scamble to pick up the pieces. Unfortunately, he was not enough. |
Kmjm | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 09:03 pm     What, that was an excellent analysis! Although I really hate Dani's nasty comments behind people's backs, she is a much better leader than Roddy. She empowers others to make their own choices, with no recriminations- she was upset with Jason but didn't let it throw her off or destroy their alliance. She cried a bit, regrouped and is back on top. She knows there is more than one way to get to the goal. For Roddy, it's his way only. He doesn't empower, he disempowers his allies. Not a winning strategy. |
Sybilbb3oracle | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 09:22 pm     Birds of a feather flock together and all Roddy's flock were buzzards that had to be controlled. |
Avrey258 | Monday, September 02, 2002 - 09:34 pm     Great thoughts everyone..wish I could have said it as well. I do have one small thing to add. I always thought that while Roddy took the time to stroke the leaders of the moment ie. HOH/Veto Holder, he always forgot about the others in the house. Yes, he did try to work Marcellas via the "hot tub" night but it did not go far enough because he couldn't possibly stay up all night stroking Chiara's ego and then sleep all day. There just were not enough hours. I also think he fell into the belief that certain housguests were not smart enough to have deals, for instance, Jason & Danielle. I really believe he thought until recently that these two were totally independent of each other. Basically, he did not give certain people enough credit for being independent thinkers/game players. I think that is why he is so frustrated with Amy. He really thought she was stupid and could be manipulated. She almost was. The only relationship I am having trouble figuring out is the Lisa/Roddy one. Does Lisa like Roddy? She must like him somewhat, or is she really just playing him... |
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