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Flyonthwall

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Pcakes...getting 12 ppl might be all you'll get from this group! j/k

I would think anyone could donate any amount they want.
A shirt is $15.00
We would also need to bump in some for shipping IMHO
So more could participate in that case.

This is called a Club house.
We are here to show support for the Show we enjoy and the people on it.
That's is the theme I think anyway.
So best way to do that is let those who want to join in do so.
Those who don't, don't have to.
I'm sure you'd get enough to join in to get 12 shirts sent off.

Don't take it personally, I got the same responses when I was trying to do Monica's quilt.
There are a lot of folks who didn't care for her.
But the one's that wanted to joined in and we all had a great time.

Spygirl

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good advice, Fly. Pcakes, I'm in for whatever doesn't require me to do anything crafty or creative. I didn't send a square in because I can't do anything remotely like that, so I left it to those who wouldn't screw it up :)

Pcakes2

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
that's okay Cyn. I would really like this project to work out. I will try to rally support from some others in the morning. We'll see what we can do. Do you know about Gerry's school?

Spy, can you help me with this with some of the others? And also spread the word?

Anyone interested in a little something other than a tee shirt can email me directly with any ideas/suggestions. If anyone is interested in sending a book, I'll email you my address. If you want to do the bible, email me also...we'll find a way to work it out.

pcakes2@yahoo.com

Spygirl

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sure will, pcakes!!

Draheid

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Flyonthwall & Pcakes2: How about anybody who wants to donate, do so. A few days before end of show, Neil can total it up, divide by # of shirts + shipping, and let us know how many got sent. I'd bet the HG's families would love a shirt too, if there are extras. I just HOPE ASP & CBS will acknowledge our contribution so we know it's worthwhile.

JMO - FWIW

Pcakes2

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't worry Spy...I'm not asking you to pull out a glue gun or anything!

Flyonthwall

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Spygirl! You silly thang!

Pcakes..email me if you decide
My mail is in my profile click on my name.

Good luck!

Draheid, I'm not in this one, it's all Pcakes.
If she decides on the t-shirt thing I'll go with a donation.
(Need to get with Neil though to see about the shirt's he has and if he's willing to send them and all.)

Ya'll can let me know when and if I need to donate for the shirts.
FLy

Spygirl

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL -- i'm good with a staple gun, though...just ask the chatroom

Lurknomore

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Any book by John Edward, or any other respected Medium for Roddy (And Twiggyish...I'm NOT kidding) :)

Cyn

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
me, too. i'm up for whatever is decided – let me know what to do. i'll help with cash or fingers.

i think it's a lovely idea to think of them as people. many times during the game they become characters to me and not a person. this humanizes the whole show. PLEASE include me on what's decided.

Draheid

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurknomore: How about the Sylvia Browne collection ... she's a hoot and would have a blast in a room with Roddy for an hour! :O

Crossfire

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Be careful about what you send to Chiara and Roddy. They tend to be pretty picky about gifts from what I have seen.

Maris

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not to put a downer on it but you need to check with the network, p.r. department about sending a gift. A friend of mine works for Court TV and they dont even accept resumes in the mail anymore because of the antrax epidemic last year, particularly since the media and networks were targeted.

Lurknomore

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 11:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dra...I actually like her books but truthfully (and let me preface this by saying I'm a real Medium snob) she isn't my fav medium. Her evidence isn't always great and she generally doesn't let the person acknowledge whether or not they understand the info. And so often the best proof comes out of what appears to be a miss or a "no".

All that said, I might pay $ to see her let it rip at Roddy LOL.

Lurknomore

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 11:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One thought to what many are talking about here...the T shirt idea. I truly don't want to be a wet noodle (and if you have followed the Zen thread you know my mood is not currently the best), so maybe it's just me and my mood so take this for what it's worth.

But do we think these folks, the majority of whom have referred to us as "300 lb internet freaks" and Arnie and crew, who have done all they can to remove us from the equation and openly hate our guts...well would they appreciate us or the shirts??? Maybe a collection for Jason and his family, and any other FFOHG (friends family of HG) who have posted here. But you guys really want to reward those that trashed us over and over???

Ok my foul mood and I are leaving soon. But felt this was a fair party pooper comment to make.

If we want to do something more meaningful how about compiling a "best of" posts for each HG. A realistic mix of good and bad, what was being said, and we could even add screen caps for artistic value :)

Bernie

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have no wish to put anyone down, and of course everyone has the perfect right to do as one wishes with one's time and money, but, I tried to say this tactfully in my first post and I don't think my point was clearly understood.
I had nothing to do with Monica's quilt, but doesn't anyone consider that this idea trivialises and demeans the significance of Monica's quilt?
It was meant as a memorial and condolence gift for a departed family member, and by its very nature, symbolises all the other victims of Sept, 11, 2001.
I lean very much towards the same opinion as Lurknomore.
These houseguests have undergone no deprivation other than having to eat PB & J for a few days.
Yes, they miss their families, and are undergoing some stress, but it was by their own choice.
They're being paid $750 per week to essentially laze away their days, and play a few silly games to earn their keep.

If one must make any kind of contribution, I believe Draheid's suggestion of a charitable donation is a much more fitting and useful course, whether to Gerry's school, or to the charity of one's choice.
Personally, if I felt I absolutely must, and had the time and inclination to make any kind of gift to these people, I'd donate to something like UNICEF, the SPCA, or my local Food bank, or even my local Zoo, or Homeless shelter.
Help someone or something who needs help, and would would appreciate the help, and then send the houseguests letters, stating that "in your name, I have donated a certain sum to such-and-such a charity".
I'd rather feed a hungry child or save a stray cat than enlarge the stipends of the houseguests.
Write them letters of appreciation, if you must, but please save your energy for something worthwhile.
I first read the responses after my original post a few hours ago, and it's taken me this long to put my thoughts into words, and to have the nerve to come back and post again, but I'm sorry, I feel strongly enough about it to take the chance of ruffling feathers.

Flyonthwall

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 04:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Pcakes, first of all you asked a question here and got mixed answers, but please don't take it personally. (I got a few post blasting my idea out of the water too! LOL)

Lurknomore, poor thing, hope your mood does improve! LOL Go for a walk! Back away from your monitor! You're on BB overload! ROFL
I think we've all been there!

Bernie, a lot of what you write is true, but the main reason we started the quilt was because we LIKED Monica's ideals. Christian ideals as they were. We started the quilt because of that, then it went on into the memorial thing. At the time we didn't know if Tam would be found or not.
It was a very trying time on them all, but some of us wanted to show Monica our Fan support.

Just because others did nothing for their fav did not make Monica more important. If others had wanted, they could do something for their fav hg too, it just didn't happen.
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All that said, this is a fan site.
We like or dislike a particular HG and we post about it.
But it's also a fan site for each other.
We show support to each other in our posts back and forth. Sometimes posts are not always supportive.

If someone doesn't want to join in on an idea, then it is not manditory.
You can move on to another thread where you can talk about that HG in any way you want.
Since this thread started by asking a question, the posting reflected that.

If this thread was started saying "Join me in sending the HG's gifts"
Then the only one's who should have replyed should be one's really interested in the idea.

Pcakes, is trying to show fan support to this years HGs.
Whether or not you agree the HG are what make the show. We are members of a FAN site supporting that show.

Maybe we need to rethink things and see this thread for what it is.
SOmeone wants to do something nice for someone else.
Is that wrong?
I don't think so.

If you disagree then it's your right not to participate. But I think as fellow members we should show support of Pcakes or anyone else that takes time to show FAN support and this site in a positive light.

Yes you could do anything you want, and do it in the name of the HG of your choice.
Pcakes only asked a question and had an idea of what to do.
She asked for help deciding what to do from those who were interested.

I can respect your posts if your not interested, but I give credit to any member who has an idea about this site.

Like I said, it's a FAN site. We need to show support for the show and for each other.
Pcakes deserves that respect even if you don't agree of your like/dislike of any HG.

Sorry to ramble, but sometimes I think we word our posts a little harsh, considering we are all here to enjoy the show, good or bad, and show support for each other as members.

It's difficult to organize something like this, and I pointed that out, but I'll still participate, because it's a representation of what this site is all about.
Showing support for this site, our fellow members, and the show...good or bad HG aside.

Just my humble opinion...
FLy

Spygirl

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 06:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
These houseguest have provided me with a summer of entertainment. If nothing else, I would like to thank them for that. I do not plan to do anything to enlarge their stipend, and I think that was pretty clear by the suggestion that we donate a book in Gerry's name, for example. We haven't thought of all the ideas yet, so please don't assume we're giving them something of monetary value.

In addition, I think it is best not to overanalyze this situation and make it into something it is not. This is a fan site and if people want to do something nice for the houseugests -- go for it. And I, for one, am going for it. If anyone feels it trivializes anything, you have that right, but just don't participate. Simple as that. No offense intended, but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.

Duncan

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 06:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
PCAKES - I'm in. Let me know what you guys decide. Personally, I like the T-Shirt idea. My e-mail address is in my profile.

Chelle

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 06:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I would love to help. Let me know what you intend to do. I think my e-mail is in my profile. If it isn't I will e-mail you.

What555456

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I really do not understand this thread or why anyone would do this.

Do you people really feel that close to these people? Like you know them personally? Like they have given so much to your life that they are worthy of you sopending time and energy for such a sign of affection in your life?

And if so, why?

Are there not others in your life who have given you far more and who might, perhaps, be more deserving of this extra effort of showing appreciation?

I mean, if you are going to the effort of showing someone affection and appreciation, why would you do it with these people who are nothing more than images on your TV screen and pixels on your computer and who you have never even met or talked to?

Isn't this thread just an example of the power of TV and the Internet to create a reality where none exists?

Pcakes2

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spy and Fly, thanks so much for your posts. I really appreciate the support and also Duncan, Chelle, Willow and others.

Please email me with the houseguest(s) you would like to represent.

Still racking my brain to come up with 10 other ideas.

Lurknomore

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fly...thanks for the nice words, but alas my mood has to do with some serious real life problems NOT the board or the show. If anything I have BB underload cause I haven't had time to watch much last few days.

That said, I think most folks missed my point. I know in my real world I do nice things for people who treat me well and do nice things for me. As a majority these HG's have repeatedly insulted the internet fans. Arnie has directly said that he just wants us all to go away. I guess I'm missing the rationale of presenting them presents for that.

Have they amused me at time? Yeah. They are paid to do that...it's literally their job now. But who has amused me more...the HG or most of the posts on this board? I've personally had TONS more fun here than listening to them. I'd rather do something nice for some posters here who have had real interaction with me and treated me with kindness than strangers who put me down.

So bad more and all I think I raise legit points. I certainly respect what anyone else wants to do, and wish them the best with it. That said, I STILL think I made some points worth considering.

Spygirl

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What55456, I do not feel it necessary whatsoever to justify my desire to do this to you nor do I feel anyone else needs to. Thank you all for your concern, however.

I would like to officially and as respectfully as possible ask that all the people who do NOT want to do something NICE for the houseguests to head out of this thread and continue to enjoy the rest of the board. Please don't ruin this for others, make this into something bigger than it is, or question our judgement.

Pcakes -- my email will come later tonight. I have to go to work now :) Have a great day and thanks for starting this thread!!

Azriel

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think sending the HGs TVClubhouse Tshirts would be great. This is the Big Brother Fan club and we would show them that we really do support and appreciate the show.

It won't cost each individual that wants to contribute much and it will advertise our site and help Neil sell some more tshirts. It sounds like a great idea all around.

I think if people want to individually send other stuff that would be great for them, but I think some people would be unhappy with the choices for each guest and it wouldn't feel like a gift from the whole board then.

Noone can object to a tshirt, so I think officially from this site the tshirts would be the best.