I love how Roddy plays the game, and how he doesn't give up!!!
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Ginger1218 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 02:05 pm     Bastable, I don't know what New York you live in, but to say that there is more anti-war sentiment in NY than most other places is absurd. You must live in the liberal part of town. Cause I am a New Yorker born and bred, and everyone I talk to is pro-doing what we have to do to protect ourselves and get the people that would kill us. |
Ginger1218 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 02:09 pm     oh and Bastable, one other thing, I didn't just view the devastation, I lost a close friend and a family friend lost a son. So, I don't know where the anti-war people are, but they need to stay in their holes. |
Saggkl | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 02:29 pm     Roddy is going to be like a whirling dervish trying to keep it together. But I am sure ole Roddy is up to it. |
Tweepee | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 02:40 pm     ginger1218, i am sorry for your loss.. it's truly terrible and no one deserved it. none of us are quite over it. but also no one wants a political argument in here so let's get back to something that makes us happier: bb3!! |
Trisha1 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 03:10 pm     yes, I also believe Roddy has played a good game and of course, he isn't throwing in the towel. Well played Roddy! |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 03:15 pm     Actually Bmh, she does indeed tell people she is ethic and honest. She tells people the most important thing is to keep your word. Well, atht is what she says to their face. The she tells 3 different people they will be with her at the end of the game. She has chosen to play the game by not dealing with anyone direcxtly, and by using character assinations. Roddy has played by trying to get people to believe he is a wonderful person and they should follow him. He is completely upfront in everything he does. Dani is just the opposite. They both play the game well, just with different styles. I'll take someone stabbing me iun the heart any day as oppsed to someone who stabs me in the back---because the person who stabs me in the heart would be someone I see coming and can chose to do something about it. |
Goddess146 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 03:15 pm     He played a good game but he, much like Josh, overplayed the game. |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 03:17 pm     Lance if roddy is completely upfront and ethical why does he swear every person he talks to to secrecy? Sounds like a man with a lot to hide. |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 03:22 pm     Theo--he is upfront and honest with those he talks to--asking they keep his words a secret maens he doesn't want other to know what he has said. If he has something to say about Amy, he says it to Amy. If he has something to say about Gerry he says it to Gerry. When Dani was calling Gerry all those names, she said it to everyone else but Gerry. When had negative things to say about Amy, she said them to others. And her issue with others are clouded over by character assinagtions. She isn't trying to get rid of Roddy by saying he is a theeat asa good game player--she is telling people he is evil and the devil. There is no one in the house with more to hide than Dani. |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 03:29 pm     Lance I'm not excusing dani. I was speaking specifically about roddy and I disagree. Last week he was saying a lot of trash behind amys back trying to save gerry. If you like roddy more power to you but he has lied more in the last 12 hours than anyone. By the way saying he is the devil is a joke. She has called many people the devil or satan. Thats just her word. I always find it funny how people say roddy is honest but when shown his lies go after danni. There were 12 people in that house. Danni didnt make roddy who he is. Neither did kiki, josh, tonya or gerry. He has blamed all of them at one point or another. |
Wendo | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 04:51 pm     Cindyluvsroddy said, "exactly chelle .... Roddy does something, everybody jumps down his throat!! but it is ok when other Hg's do it" The problem with this statement, though, is that Roddy has set himself as the standard in the game as a trustworthy and honest player. He has repeatedly reminded the HG's (and we viewers) of this standard. By setting this standard, and then failing to meet it, only focuses the attention on him. On the other hand, other HG's haven't done this. Dani has been upfront in the game and her DR entries that she plans to lie, has to lie, and knows that lies are necessary in a game such as this. Roddy comes across as hypocritical because he goes against his own "rules." Dani comes across as only playing the game. Roddy shot himself in the foot by trying to play an upfront game in a competition that typically requires one to be, at times, dishonest. |
Wendo | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 04:56 pm     Maris said, "Danni is worse than the rest. She is judgemental and seems to think she is above everyone. <snip>" And Roddy doesn't? He continually reminds the HG's of how GOOD he is, how AWESOME he is, how he's been the BEST in the house. He also takes many opportunities to point out character flaws in the other HG's and how they're not behaving to a set of standards all his own. I'm not saying that Dani doesn't use judgements and the like to keep her in the game. However, to say that Roddy doesn't isn't supported by the facts we've been given and/or seen. |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 04:56 pm     Dani may have said those things in the DR, but to the folks she is playing with, she's set the same standard of saying she keeps her word, tells the truth, talks to someone face to face when she has an issue with them. So from the perspectives of the HGs, she's set herself up to the same standard. At this point her name calling of others has exceeded Josh. |
Wendo | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 05:28 pm     Gouraphik said, "<snip> If Roddy wants to survive, he needs to adapt his Reality Distortion Field to the new circumstances in the house. Ever since he got nommed by Marcellas, he's been using a "brute force" strategy. <snip> Roddy needs to surrender and be contrite. He needs to "fess up", as it were. He doesn't need to believe this...he just has to make the others happy. One of his strengths is manipulating the emotions of others. They want him to admit his faults. He should do so." This is an interesting tactic Roddy could possibly employ. However, I don't see it as likely because of Roddy's ego. Nor do I see it because he doesn't feel he's done anything wrong in the house. To admit he's done wrong things in the house would go against the many things he has said about himself to the HG's. Would they really believe it? Or, would they just see it as yet another attempt to manipulate them? Now that they all see him as a Master Manipulator (Lisa and Amy's words), they're eyes are open and acute. I'm not saying it WOULDN'T work, only that it would be a tough one to pull off for Roddy and pull over on the HG's. There's four days to go until voting, we'll surely see what happens. |
Gouraphik | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 05:39 pm     In regards to Wendo's comment on my earlier post: <snip> Gouraphik also said: "If he doesn't do something like this, or can't bring himself to do it, then he's probably toast." It's imperative that he deals with his own ego and emotions in order to pull this off. That's obvious. I may have said it in a concise manner, but I'm afraid that the excerpts you chose implied that I left that part out. I'm not accusing you of trying to "twist my words"...just clarifying things for those who don't know. Edited to add: Roddy's needs to be sincere if he wants to make this work. He can't just have an epiphany (a la Josh) out of the blue. He can't start babbling and crying like Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Bakker did when they got caught. He needs to put his Reality Distortion Field skills to work, only in reverse. Instead of forgiving others for their transgressions, he should allow them to forgive him (and not by saying "you forgive me, right?" LOL). Instead of distorting reality to show how he wasn't at fault, he should allow them to show him how he was at fault (whether it's actually true or not). It would be more credible, and make it easier to sympathize with him. The rest would be up to them. |
Wendo | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 05:47 pm     Lance, the difference is, I suppose, Roddy's been caught. Dani hasn't. That's not to say she won't be, but as of yet, she hasn't. As far as equating her to Josh, I'm sorry, I don't agree. Josh called Gerry a Nazi. That's about as vile an insult anyone can say. I don't disagree that Dani has made inappropriate, nasty and negative comments. How much they hurt her is yet to be seen. |
Wendo | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 05:49 pm     Gouraphik, I'm sorry, I didn't intend to leave out important parts of your post. I really was just trying to keep the post short. My apologies. And, yes, it would be imperative for Roddy to deal with his ego if this tactic is used. But, from what I've seen of Roddy via the live feeds, I honestly don't think he can overcome his own "awesomeness." |
Mindspin | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:47 pm     Roddy = James Brown The hardest workin' man in Big Brother (Show Biz) |
Scorpiomoon | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:56 pm     People! People! People! This thread is supposed to be about Roddy and how superb he is! No more Roddy bashing or talk of war!
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Bastable | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:33 pm     I LOVE Roddy! He's one sexy mo-fo. I thought he was pretty ideal when he came in the front door, but he's done some serious work and now his body is incredible. I wish I had abs like that! And lats like that, or biceps that perfect, or...come to think of it, I'm blinded with jealousy. I HATE Roddy! |
Jimmer | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:45 pm     I like Roddy a lot. He's made the game very interesting. Yes he manipulates and attacks the other players, but his attacks don't have the random meanness of some of the other houseguests (i.e. Marc, Josh, Lisa, Amy and Danni). |
Okkie | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:52 pm     I have never heard Roddy say someone is the devil, evil, prison b***ch, Hitler, and on and on. The words that come out of M,D,A and L just send me up the roof. Gerry never deserved the abuse he got. I hated the generation gap and just plain meaness. Yes, G was pompous but not a cruel person. The only person not cruel has been Roddy. Manipulative YES. Cruel NO. |
Marcellasfan | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:43 pm     The way Roddy manipulates IS cruel...insidious and, yes, evil. |
Gouraphik | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:48 pm     OK...let's split the difference: Roddy is the devil who needs to be exorcised from the house, and Danielle is the priest(ess) who needs to be defrocked. (Just 'cause I'm non-partisan it doesn't mean that I can't make a l'il jokey-joke at their expense! LOL!) |
Marcellasfan | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:52 pm     I'll co-sign that Goura. Although, I don't think Dani is even a bit like Roddy. She has played the game for the games sake. I think Dani is basically a good person and seems to have some empathy for her co-hg's. What I don't like about Dani is that she hasn't put herself in the line of fire, i.e., HoH. She just gets everyone else to do the dirty work. |
Maris | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:52 pm     Marcellas said it best to Danni, who thought we would be in holy war when all I wanted was to go on tv. Now I am fighting for my soul. And danni is going yea, he the devil. Why is it her grammar goes out the window when she is talking about Roddy? |
Gouraphik | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:28 pm     <analysis mode> As I've said before, Roddy needs to adapt to the changing circumstances in the house. Right now, Roddy is perceived to be a rogue, a hypocrite, and a master manipulator. He can't use his old tactics anymore...the "Roddy is the devil" mantra is simply too strong to overcome that way. So he needs to implement a 3C strategy: Confession, contrition, and co-option. Confession: He must admit that he is the "devil", and lay it out in full detail. Who he lied to, when he did it, etc. Contrition: He must convey a sense of shame and guilt over what he did. Co-option: He must agree wholeheartedly with the negative perceptions of himself floating about the house, thereby neutralizing their power. At the time of this writing, it seems that Amy is planning to call Roddy on his wicked ways during her speech at the POV meeting on Monday. If she does this, it would be a perfect time for Roddy to step up the 3C campaign in order to redefine his image in the house. Instead of being "Big Bad" Roddy, he should become "Weak, Sad" Roddy. Actually, he should be redefining his image right now. The era of the "brute force" Reality Distortion Field is over. If he wants to live, he should forget about trying to get Amy to martyr herself for him (it makes him seem too self-absorbed and "Roddylike") and get on with his much needed makeover. Again, this is what he SHOULD do, not what he "will" do...I'm not a psychic! . </analysis mode> |
Tracy | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:46 pm     Gouraphik - extremely interesting analysis but I think it's too late now - maybe a week or two ago. The other HG's seem pretty well convinced he's a master manipulator and such an abrupt about face would probably be perceived as just more manipulation (which in fact it would be - lol). |
Rain | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:55 pm     I agree, Okkie, Roddy has never hurt anyone with cruel words. And neither has Gerry. I like to watch Roddy, and find him fascinating. Looking at his face, you can almost see the machinery going around and around, thinking, thinking, thinking! ---------------------------------------------- Scroll alert--for those who don't want to read about the war Sunrise, it wasn't mean-spirited at all, please don't make it into more than it is--an expression. I've been through enough tragedy in my life that I understand everyone has to cope with these things in their own way, but its such a waste of energy for you to rail against such a little thing. Its more important to support our government in their fight to defend us against another attack. Bastable, if the anti-war movement had had its way during WWII, we'd all be living within the Third Reich. Maybe the pacifists are content with being sitting ducks for another attack, but most of us aren't. When I was younger I was much like you, but with aging comes a brutal reality: that human nature is not going to change; that evil exists; that its a kill-or-be-killed world. I wish I could say it was not. ------------------------------------------------ Scroll alert over. Thank you for your kind indulgence. |
Tweepee | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 11:02 pm     plllleeeeeeeze stop with the war stuff rain!!!! |
Kotasmommy | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 11:13 pm     Funny, I think we'd all act in the same manner that the hg's have. They want to win. You have to lie and be sneaky. That's what they signed up for. Roddy is absolutely no worse than Dani or anyone else for that matter and we are no better than him, either. You never know what you'd do til you walk in their shoes; that crazy place would bring out the worst in anyone. I'm just glad I'm not in there, having everyone who's watching me, hating my guts just because I'm trying to play to win. GO RODDY!!!!!! |
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