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Shrike3000

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason could beat anyone he is put up against, so his opponent doesnt matter, he need's to just make it there.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm a weird combination I guess. I like Jason/Dani/Lisa and don't like Roddy so much. However, I look at how each one is individually playing the game as well as utilizing their alliances. As some point the alliance becomes a more of a hindrence than a help and no longer serves its purpose in the game.

I'm not saying that it has happened but a 4 person alliance (which is where it currently stands with Jason being a silent partner) will eventually have to cannibalize itself.

I want Roddy as much (if not more) than the next guy. (Sorry CindyluvsRoddy) But I also want Jason to win. Jason is doing what needs to be done to get that accomplished.

Theo17

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
luvs jason is a likeable person, you could even make a case for roddy being likable( although I disagree) but to say roddy is sincere is crazy. Was he sincere showing outrage to jason after "all he has done for him" when the prior 2 weeks he tried to get him nominated?
If thats sincerity this world is in trouble.

Blossumtree

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
shrike, i used to feel the same way as you but as the game progresses i feel that jason isn't an automatic win if he gets to the final 2. so many of the HG's have remarked about how strongly she's playing. and the jury will also know that she played a hard game, a good game, and brought jason all the way with her. if it's dani and jason in the final 2 then dani may be the victor. and i think she may think the same thing.

Theo17

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
strike how will jason beat roddy? you have kiki, eric, josh, amy all voting for roddy for sure. That would leave roddy with very good odds among the rest of the voters. By the way if jason doesnt win the last hoh no way roddy gives him a chance to beat him anyway.

Cameltoes

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point Blossum. Seems to me this group will likely be leaning towards voting for who plays the hardest. I don't think Jason did himself any favors by coming across as weak.

Zeyna

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But Dani is as strong a player as Roddy (if not stronger), and even though she's strong, it wouldn't be in Jason't intereste to nominate her. Same idea with Roddy. Next week if one of those two is nominated, he'll have to choose which one will serve his interests, but for now he's made a good choice. He won't have either campaigning against him next week should he go up on the block.

Dulcedelychee

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok here's what I'm thinking about all this today

What I think maybe happened with a lot of people (because I wondered this too) is the shock that someone who had seemed so good and loyal could have turned his back like he appeared to do. maybe it made a lot of people think they misjudged him in a lot of ways.

But you know, I've been watching to see any signs of anything and I think he's still committed to Danielle. I keep remembering his statement to her that he played the game for the two of them all the way through. (said right after his noms.) Maybe he saw further along than the immediate threat, maybe he had a weak moment -who knows. One thing I am thinking of is how they edit things. We know how they can show someone as one way or another.. how does anyone know that they didn't just make it seem like Jason was broken at the end of the show, only to reveal things later with more effect. Maybe that's wishful thinking for me, but it's something I thought about.

I also saw him and Danielle whispering in the hot tub last night, and while I couldn't hear a lot of it, it shows at least that he is still with her. He doesn't discuss plans with Roddy. And I don't think he fully trusts Roddy either, but I feel he does trust Danielle (did he tell Roddy how he would break the tie? just wondering)

I'm sure he's not fond of big blowup confrontations either but that doesn't make him spineless, especially if he can see that the confrontation might actually make things worse. If he was afraid of confrontations, he wouldn't have called Roddy out on a lot of things he did during their discussion.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Guiltyviewer!

Edited because when I just used Guilty's first name it looked like I was announcing a verdict!

Theo17

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If jason ws playing to win all he had to do was get rid of roddy this week and then let somebody else get rid of danni next week. That would leave him in the final 5 with 3 very un likeable foes.

Crazydog

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bottom line is that people have turned on Jason for the sole fact that he did not put Roddy up for eviction. People don't like Roddy and they are upset with Jason because they had felt Roddy was a lock to get evicted.

I am glad that Jason did not nominate Roddy. One, because I like Roddy, and two, I think the game is much more interesting with Roddy in it.

Theo17

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
dulce he let roddy beat up on him in that meeting. I felt sorry for jayson. He blew it plain and simple. much better to be left with amy gerry and marcy then danni roddy and anyone else. 10-1 if roddy danni and jayson are left at the end roddy choses danni to go against and dumps jayson if roddy wins hoh.

Cindyluvsroddy

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
a lot, not all, but alot of Jason fans put him on a pedestal because he was a born-again christian type who reads the bible...so they jumped on the Jason bandwagon

that is not fair to Jason

in my experience, people believe that if u say "im a christian" or "i read the bible" or claim your very religious - that u must be a morally superior person .....

Life doesnt work that way ....

its not what u say, its who u r.... talk is cheap ..

funny, that the people who claim to be christains are the first ones pointing fingers...

Now that Jason may not be that morally superior human being - but just a nice guy playing a game -people r jumping ship ....

I say to jason - "rock on brother!!"

Let the games begin!! :)

Theo17

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
crazy a lot of roddy fans like jayson now but you have to admit that roddy does turn on his friends and jayson would have a better chance in the final vote against amy or gerry not roddy

Romans8_1

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, why didn't J nominate R and accept the wrath of R's faithful followers? Doesn't J know that he can win in the end without any votes?

Really!! I think it was pretty smart. Everyone wanted J to be the one to put him up and take the heat. J is smarter than ya'll think. If anything, Kiki, Tonya, Eric and Josh will like J more for keeping good ol' Roddy.

Smart move J.

Theo17

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He wouldnt have their wrath. A month later if its jayson vs amy who do you think they would vote for? could you see tonya or kiki voting for amy? come on. it was a dumb move and I hope he can still win but I doubt it. If I'm roddy I nominate danni and jayson and if I'm danni I nominate roddy and jayson. Jayson didnt accomplish anything but put a target on his back. gerry and amy could never beat him in the end.

Cameltoes

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Theo - I don't think Roddy would nominate Jason. He is more clever than that. He knows people want him out and will nominate him against someone viewed as his ally. Roddy helped put that target on Jason's back because being nominated against Jason gives him good reason to campaign against him. The more I think about it, the more I think Jason got suckered big time.

Romans8_1

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cindy wrote "because he was a born-again christian type who reads the bible". The key word here is 'was', better yet 'is'. For the record, I understand what Cindy is saying and I agree and this post is not directed towards Cindy. I just wanted to use the line to make a point to some other readers. They seem to constantly bash Jason for being "holier-than-thou" when he has never taken that stance. He 'is' a Christian, he doesn't proclaim it vocally or flaunt it. I think Jason is more of a Christian than most Christians because he doesn't talk up his own Christianity ... what a minute, I think I just confused myself. :)

My point is there are some that judge him for things he is not doing. He has never used his Christianity as a crutch and has never beat anyone over the head with it. I think, given his views, he has done an excellant job in becoming part of the group. I would think even the "Jason-Haters" :) would be able to give him a "kudos" for they way he as presented his Christianity.

I don't see anyone in the house have a problem with his Christianity. In case anyone remembers, he did pass Roddy's "Christianity" test, so that should be good enough for the Roddy-Lovers.

Remember I said the key word was "is". He is persecuted not for what he says or does about his Christianity, but because he "is" a Christian.

Love me, hate me, JMO

Theo17

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
cameltoes you dont understand. Both roddy and danni have no choice at this point but to nominate jayson if they are serious about getting the other out. When you only have 3 people voting its imperitive that you nominate a person that is a sure vote to save. If roddy wants danni out and he thinks jayson will definitely vote to keep dani he has no choice but to take that opetion out of jaysons hands. Same for danni. It isnt a nomination to evict jayson but to get the other person when 3 people are voting you have to get rid of the sure vote

Theo17

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Also while everyone is delusional about roddys loyaltys to jayson or anyone else do not forget that roddy was trying to save gerry this week against jaysons wishes and also that last night roddy reaffirmed his final 2 deal with marcy that they made in the hot tub.

Shrike3000

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's Jason not Jayson.

I should know, I'm a Jason.

And btw, I think Roddy's deal with Marc means about as much as every other deal in the house.

Zeyna

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Romans, I agree with you 100%. Jason has never used his Christianity as a way of showing he's better, more worthy, moral etc. He's just an all around good guy (from what I have seen). People have put him on a pedastal because 1)He's a Christian 2) He's a virgin 3) He's a big fan of the show. The standards are so high that he's got nowhere to go but down.

Cindyluvsroddy

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Romans8_1 .... i was talking about SOME jason fans ... not jason himself ...

"is" or "was" ... just english typo lol

Cameltoes

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why would they have no choice but to nominate Jason? Amy is still around as an easy decoy. Any HOH can once again bring up ORD.

Eden

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Amy as much as Gerry would be a good choice to have next to you in the final two. She was voted out unanimously. She was allowed to return for a second chance, while the others weren't. She isn't very well liked. I'm not sure even Marcellas would vote for her to win the money over someone else. If the strategy is to keep someone around you are sure to win against, isn't Amy a great choice?