Gerry's tearful morning
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Gerry's tearful morning
Kailas | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 03:16 pm     Thanks for clearing that up, Draheid. My apologies to CBS.... My point was, and still is, they have enough footage on them commenting in their boredom about ANY of the HG to make any one of them look unlovely. |
Csnog | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 04:35 pm     YIKES!!!! I can't believe it!!! I agree with you Maris. Dannie has been the person that starts the trouble. She puts that wedge into the other HG's minds. |
Costacat | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 04:54 pm     To respond to the title of this thread, can you really blame Gerry for tearing up? I mean, he has to know how much the rest of the house regards him -- they are not that friendly to him at all. And I know the HGs can hear what's going on in other rooms (or, for example, if someone is outside talking the HGs in the house can hear). He may be crying cause he thinks he's gonna evicted Thursday. Or he may be crying cause he feels picked upon. Or both. And to be honest? I'd be crying, too! |
Nanarobin | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 05:06 pm     Thanks Dra for the link. I just send a nasty email to ASP concerning the Gerry-bashing editing of the tv programs. We, on the boards, know the truth ( even though for me, is only from the gracious LFP, as I do not have the live feeds). I suggest everyone who is disappointed with the editing of Gerry's habits vs. other hamsters...should also go to the link and give their feedback. Hoping ASP listens to us!!???? #$%^()(*&^%$#@ !!!!!!!!! JMO...FWIW .....NanaRobin |
Allietex | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 05:55 pm     I suspect that all the houseguests will be ok. They all will be assured by their friends and family that they were the best on the show that anything they did that was "not so nice" was just the result of stress, that they were provoked by the others, that they really deserved the money and no one really appreciated them. Few of us can look at ourselves objectively. I doubt that even Marc when he sees himself spewing his hate will do anything but laugh and say "Wasn't I cute. Everyone wanted me." I think Amy and Lisa may a little uncomfortable with some of their actions but they'll convince themselves that it wasn't all that bad. Roddy and Dani will tell themselves they were only playing the game. I think only Jason will feel bad about anything he has done and it is ironic because he has certainly done the least "unacceptable" stuff. I do believe Gerry is the strongest person in the house as far as character goes. He will be ok. I think he will be angry for his family especially his daughter who said in an interview that she could no longer watch the game because of the way her father has been protrayed. Gerry will be fine. Life will go on. |
Woodpecke® | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 05:57 pm     His only problem will be trying to explain that veto speech. |
Chance | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 06:09 pm     Nana, I zipped off a nasty note to ASP productions as well. I hear they don't respond and I even think I read last yr that they deleted posts without reading them. But it made me feel better anyway. |
Sherbabe | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 06:15 pm     woodpecker.......i am a lurker 75% of the time and poster 25 %. Just have to say that you crack me up. Love most of your posts. You are right about that veto speech, but, that is about it. by the way, did jason use his veto power? obviously not, according to the posts. p.s. GO WINGS. |
Maris | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 07:39 pm     Csnog, I am sure everyone will forgive you for your lapse in judgement in agreeing with me. You defend yourself with the old Temporary insanity defense. |
Allietex | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:33 pm     I guess Gerry's veto speech has taught us one thing. If you ever do anything you think is wrong don't try to right it or apologize for it because you won't be remembered for trying to do the right thing but by how poorly you spoke doing it. I wonder if the Gerry haters ever thought that it would have been easier to just sit back and not use the veto and stay in everyone's good graces. I'm sure not because it is easier to just say he did it for himself. That's absurb but so be it. Gerry has been critized, second guessed, and bashed as a homophobe and racist. To me his speech showed he was just the opposite and totally ashamed of the fact that he even for a moment allowed himself to give to the group (mob?) mentality of ganging up on the person who is different. In doing so he turned their ire on himself. Could the anger and resentment against Gerry in the house be the result of a guilty conconscience? Oh well, the old saying goes No good deed will ever go unpunished. |
Catfat | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:38 pm     Maris and others who have posted on this topic....For sure, Danielle is absolutely the manipulating person behind every outburst against Gerry, starting with the hand-washing incident. He came out of the toilet and she was in the shower, and when she said something (like I am in here, don't remember the words) he quickly averted his eyes and left the room. He seemed a little embarassed at walking in on a woman in the shower, as any man would be under normal (underline normal) circumstances. Danielle made such a huge, squawking deal over it, she even managed to involve Lori, who was subsequently voted out. I don't like Danielle's eye-rolling leer as she counts off the ousted houseguests. She is lying and manipulating, all the while hiding behind a veneer of religious piousness. Thank you Jesus, I'm done now. |
Theo17 | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:39 pm     allietex most people took the speech to be totally phony grandstanding. marcy was not nominated because of his color or sexuality. Gerry was playing for the cameras. |
Bigd | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 08:57 pm     I agree with you Theo, and that's the moment I started feeling bad for Gerry. |
Allietex | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 09:49 pm     I disagree. It may true that the others who nominated Marc did not do so because of his race or sexuality, but Gerry believed they did. That is the issue. The fact that he might have been mistaken does not change what he believed. Gerry would have to have been a complete idiot to have chosen to go against five other people in an alliance unless he felt very strongly about it.He even talked to Marc about what a risk it was and hoped the others would understand why he did it. Gerry's speech was awful, but I think he was very nervous, knowing he was taking a huge step. I think he was sincere but misguided. He is the only one in the house who has expressed remorse for his actions. And no one has explained to my satisfaction why Marc did not say something before the nomination if he objected. Earlier that morning Gerry told him pretty much what he intended to say in the meeting. He encouraged Gerry. He even praised Gerry's speech in the DR afterward, calling it beautiful. Why did he change his mind? And futhermore even if his speech was phoney and he was playing to the cameras (which I don't believe,) was it any worse than everyone else has done? It pales in comparison to the things Chi, Josh, Dani, and especially Marc have done. Was it sufficient to shun and bash him so disgustingly behind his back. Give me a break. Gerry has been treated shamefully and everyone in that house should be ashamed of themselves. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:10 pm     The only problem that I had with his speech was that even though he said "I" and on face value I accept that he meant "I".. I think he's bright enough to realize that he was not only embarrassing Marcellas, but everyone else in the house, or at least the original alliance, especially Lisa and they felt accused on national TV. I do think he was sincere, but sincere doesn't always work. And since then, he's patted himself on the back over and over and over. And the use of the word "protege" referring to Marcellas as HIS protege.. that just sounds creepy and condescending. He could never have anticipated just how far the backlash would go. The bashing isn't acceptable. I think Marcellas had some reasons for a small % of it. I find the other bashing.. what Josh did, what Dani started about handwashing, clotheswashing, showering, etc.. to be more demeaning by far. I mean, have you never dried your hands on clothing? Often that clothing would be way more sanitary than a shared hand towel.. Anyway, I think there will be plenty of people, not just here, who will be just as unwilling to buy that Gerry is anything but a less-than-perfect man (as are virtually all men.. women as well being imperfect).. in other words, he's human. He hasn't said disrespectful things about his wife, as Kent did. So, among people who count, I think he'll be just fine. I think Shapiro has taken the low road.. guess I'd better fire off an email too. |
Lancecrossfire | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:26 pm     Correct Seamokey--most have forgotten or choose not to believe Gery said "I" when making his speech. He was talking about himself and no one else. Selective listening has hit this board for awhile now. |
Maris | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:34 pm     "Remember, people will judge you by your actions, not your intentions. You may have a heart of gold -- but so does a hard-boiled egg." -Anon. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:34 pm     Yes, it is selective, BUT.. since Gerry was part of a so-called alliance, he was alienating them right and left. And if he'd just stopped talking about it, that would have been better. Someone in another thread just mentioned how Gerry sees everything in "TV moments" resonates with me.. it is too bad he wasn't able pull back a bit from performing. |
Allietex | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:54 pm     Wonder why if everyone including Marc felt so strongly about it why they did not say something. They had enough to say behind his back. I imagine it is because they saw what happened to Gerry when He brought something out into the public and none of them had the courage to do so. It was easier to talk about him behind his back. And I have heard all kinds of excuses for the behavior of the other houseguests ranging from being homesick to being under stress or once in Marc's defense, "Oh he's just being Marc." Why can they all be forgiven for anything but Gerry even when he publically expresses remorse can't? And is his taking credit for what he did any worse that Roddy's taking credit for improving Chi, Amy and Jason? And Dani presumes to correct Amy before the group as though she is a child and Dani is her mother. Oh give me a break. No matter what anyone says there has been a double standard applied to Gerry. I'm not even saying they should be his best friend but they have shunned him and isolated him whenever possible. Disgusting sex talk was more acceptable to them than boring stories. they preach tolerance but they sure don't practice it. Well sorry but I think I would have chosen the boring stories. |
Allietex | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 11:32 pm     I just read on another board that the live feeds were not on the first week and so I went back and checked. They were not on until after the first tv show aired. Then how do we know that what Gerry said in his speech was not true. Maybe they really did nominate Marc because he was a gay black man. Perhaps Gerry saw and heard enough to realize what was happening and was ashamed of his part in it. After all it was a drastic and dangerous step if he did not have reason to believe what he was saying was correct. Of course the other members of the alliance were not going to admit that Gerry was right because it would put them in a bad light. Without the live feeds how do we know who to believe? Could that be why no one has ever called him on it? Because they know he is right? If Gerry was right in what he said, maybe we should be applauding him for his courage and sacrifice rather than bashing him for a poor speech. At least think about it. |
Wcv63 | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 11:51 pm     Allietex it was a tactic. He called Dani into the storage room and told her what he was going to do and the whole point was so that with the issue on the table they wouldn't be able to nom Dani in Marc's place without looking racist. At the time she on board. Since then it seems like she and Mar are among the most offended. |
Somelight | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:26 am     I totally agree. I believe that Gerry was trying to correct a wrong. I think he may sound preachy because that is the way one communicates with "special needs children." If you spand several hrs a day teaching correct behavior, it creeps into your other conversations too. I know the year I work with these children I was telling my family several times how to do things and they had to tell me I was not at school. I dislike Marc, and find his bashing others esp. Gerry distasteful. I wish he'd leave instead! |
Csnog | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:26 am     I don't think it now has anything to do with the speach. Just the fact that he went against the original nominated people made some of the HG angry. Not one person has used the veto since. This is a gang mentality depending on which group is in power. Roddy made sure Amy did not receive one vote when she was evicted because of the gang and wanting to be in complete control. Now Marcie is using the same thing by making sure nobody votes for Gerry. Not being able to vote as you want without being up on the block the following week is beyond me. This show is about being back in grade school and I think I have finally grown out of wanting to watch. Why can't BB give them something (A Challange) to do or give them a question of the week to discuss? We would then at least see something other than the same meaness. This is just plain boring after week 4. Do any of you have suggestions on what BB could do to make this a more interesting show next year? |
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