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Wendo

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 04:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy is empowered now. She will not use the veto to save Roddy.

And, it's Roddy's fault. After talking to Amy for over an hour last night, he led the conversation to the PoV competition and brought up her deal to remove him if he's ever on the block and she has PoV.

(pp) Roddy asked her, "Will you remove me? Amy says, "Yeah, I guess. If you win PoV, will you remove me from the block?"

Roddy says, "Amy, that would be suicide for me."

****Mistake number one for Roddy.

Amy then says, "Well, if I remove you, will you at least vote for me to stay in the house?"

Roddy says, "I'll have to get back to you on that. Put some thought into it, because, what if it's Lisa put up?" Roddy then goes to the bathroom.

****Mistake number two for Roddy

Amy sitting in bathroom green chairs thinking. (Her lightbulb moment.) As Roddy comes out Amy says out loud, "Well, that's just not right."

Roddy says, "What's up?" Amy passes it off and says "Nothing, just thinking out loud."

They head to bed. Amy to lizard room, Roddy to Tiki room. Amy then gets up and goes to HOH for convo with Mar. (That's discussed in Roddy Blows Gasket thread.)

Roddy tried to play Amy, but didn't do a very good job of it. And, she saw right through it. He basically wanted her to sacrifice herself for him. First, he says he wouldn't save her if he got PoV, even though he expects her to do it for him. AND THEN, he wouldn't even vote to keep her in! How is that supposed to make Amy feel? If it were me, pretty sh*tty.

Roddy had this one to win with Amy and he blew it to bits. He has no one to blame but himself. He played TOO HARD yesterday because he believed he could control the people he thinks have weak minds in that house. (Roddy's words, he called them weak minds.)

However, he underestimated many of them. And, he underestimated Amy the most.

Basically, he expected her to blow a 1 in 5 chance for a half million bucks for him even though he wasn't willing to do it for her. If that's not playing someone, I don't know what is. He wanted her to lay down just like Josh and Chiara. To sacrifice herself, for him.

So what if she "might" get put up next week, all five of them could be put up. She has the same chances as the others by saving herself. She still could win HOH. If she saves him, she will DEFINITELY be gone. How arrogant of Roddy to expect that.

And, I applaud her for not doing it. It takes strength and balls.

Solidsnake

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 04:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
seems from everyone its pretty solid he is out this thursday..

Cameltoes

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 04:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Great post Wendo. I didn't hear much of the Amy/Roddy conversation as I was listening to Marc/Lisa more but when she went off in him in the HOH with Marc, I was cheering. It is amazing to me that Roddy expects people to lay themselves down for him. This is the integrity he goes on and on about? If he had any shred of "integrity" (and I do not fundamentally believe the game has to be played that way but it's something Roddy has claimed to believe in respect to the game), he would have told Amy not to use POV to save him because he could not make her the same promise.

Jaysgal

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 04:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, it gets on my nerves when someone makes a promise to me without any strings attached, and then when I remind them of their promise, they start to ask me what I would do for them in return. Hello? You made the promise to me without any strings attached.

If this request were made for the first time, then 'yes' Roddy would seem very selfish and stupid for giving her such a response. But since Amy made a promise since without any strings attached, he does not owe her. If he started some deal with her on that one, then she would owe him one additional one still.

From a strategic point of view, Roddy should have told her what she wanted to hear. But he has done no wrong on the subject of sincerity and selfishness there. Amy owed him one if she was to give any credence to herself and her promises.

As I said, Amy is a wildcard somewhat. All it takes is for the others to upset her, hurt her feelings and Roddy open up the door for her. And then he should expose all of the deceptions of other parties. Remember, that was the same Amy who had planned her speech in advance for her eviction day. It was going to be a harsh but she changed her mind and wrote a sublte speech. Amy is known for changing her mind, except when terribly hurt.

Roddy can also hang out with Lisa more. That would get Amy more envious because Roddy had indicated that Lisa was the lady he would rather save if up against her. So, then Roddy can approach Amy and she would appreciate his attention finally. Besides, if she vetoes him, she will get all of the attention she loves to have. If he's evicted, no one would give her any attention, sympathy or pamper her.

Dagny

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 04:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But what's Dani going to try? From reading the LF's it looks like Rod gave her his word that he wouldn't evict her.

If she starts campaigning to get Amy out, after Amy doesn't use the POV...I will scream!

Jaysgal

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 05:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"But what's Dani going to try? From reading the LF's it looks like Rod gave her his word that he wouldn't evict her."

I'm confused, Dagny. Who did Roddy give his word to, not to evict? Amy or Danielle?

Tmleafs4life

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope Amy takes what Marcellas said about her personally and uses veto to save Roddy. That would throw a wrench in his game. I think she should realize that she could never win this game because of the way she got back in, and may as well do something to stir the pot.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani and Roddy promised each other that neither would nominate the other. The phrase "gave his word not to evict" isn't really accurate....

Solidsnake

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
im hopin she will save him but i think even if she does save him and pays the ultimate sacrifice for herself.. rod will still be voted out next week if he does not win the hoh..

i see at the lfps that amy is watin for rod to chit chat with.. lets hope somethin big goes down but i do also think amy will not win any dough..

Cliotheleo

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What in the heck is Amy talking about right now with Jason in the bathroom? What did she find out??? Who did she find out about? HELP!!! I can't go skimming the live feeds because I'm too busy listening to what she's saying! :)

Bigbrotherbelle

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She found out that Roddy's playing her like a piano.

Cliotheleo

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
DARN IT! ...... I was hoping she'd had some revelation about Danielle. :(

Thanks anyway belle!

Lawyerman

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She's being very cryptic with Jason, so cryptic that I'm not sure she even knows what she's talking about with him.

Bigbrotherbelle

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo explained it all very well in this thread. Here is the time of her post: Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 04:09 pm

Bigbrotherbelle

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think she trusts Jason as much as L/D/M because he was formerly so close to Ch/R.

Bbrules4ever

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
AMY is telling jason in confidence right now that she is going to totally rake roddy over the coals with her speech at the VETO meeting. She is brimming with excitement at the chance to tell Roddy what a heartless cad he is. She has had an epiphany. She finally realizes he has been playing her. Amy also feels bad about Chiara and realizes she misjudged her. She says she sees now that the "devil" is not chiara but Roddy. Her + Jason cant wait for The VETO meeting now!! She also says one of the lines in her speech to Roddy will be be - "Liberache could not play the piano as well as I've been played by you , Roddy."


GO AMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cameltoes

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She is preparing a speech for Roddy that she will deliver at the POV meeting on Monday. She says it's going to be really long. She even wants to apologize to Chiara. Last night, she was saying that she wanted to win POV so she could not use it and her not using it was for Chiara, and Josh and Eric and Gerry and everyone she thinks was played by Roddy just as she has been. Girl is on a mission.

Saggkl

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Like someone said on a post the other day. Southern ladys aren't called Steel Magnolias for nothing. I am glad she is mad instead of hurt. The lady was really smitten. She's right he played her better than Liberace played the piano.

Wendo

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal said, "Wendo, it gets on my nerves when someone makes a promise to me without any strings attached, and then when I remind them of their promise, they start to ask me what I would do for them in return. Hello? You made the promise to me without any strings attached. <snip post above>"

However, is Amy still required to honor such a promise when she knows that Roddy has been using her? She put together the information she had about him campaigning for her eviction last week with his actions towards her last night and the night before. And, we know Roddy's been playing her. We've seen it on the feeds. Before Chiara left, he said to her that sometimes, you have to be nice to people even though you dislike them, like Amy. He does not like her, he has never liked her, and it's apparent in his comments about her when she is not around him. IMO, she owes him nothing since he has not been sincere. Had he been sincere, then I could agree with your argument.

As far as Roddy hanging out with Lisa. Amy will not mind since she and Lisa spoke earlier today about Roddy and what he's been doing between the two. They sat down, compared notes, and both realized that he was playing each off the other. So, I don't think Amy will give a rats a*s what Roddy does with Lisa.

Her mind is made up at this point. (And, who knows, things could change. Roddy's an excellent BB player.) However, at this point, she does not trust Roddy and disrespects him for "manipulating her emotions and weaknesses." It's a lot harder to close someones eyes once they've been opened. And, Roddy opened them for her.

Theo17

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
way to go Amy!!!!!! After seeing roddy doing a lot of seduction on tonights show I think its a miracle that amy woke up. roddys ego is amazing that he even told amy he might not vote for her if she saved him. Thats mind blowing.
Amy I want you to save my butt and I hope you understand I'm not going to lift a finger for you.

Theo17

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
when roddy comes to amy for his usual mind screwing amy should smile and say buddy I'm way ahead of you. We dont have to talk about it. Its going to be great tv and it will be remembered for a long time. roddy will assume she will save him and leave her alone.

Bigbrotherbelle

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hoo, hoo, he's working her again.

Bbrules4ever

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
this is going to be DELICIOUS!! for the next 2 days AMY is going to make roddy THINK she will VETO him ...then *BAM!*.....she will devastate him at the VETO meeting......Ohhh I'm giddy with excitement!!!

Bigbrotherbelle

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's so funny that he's trying to use Marcie's speech to show how much he's on her side, when he did the EXACT SAME THING when he nom'd her. I love it.

Theo17

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
marcys speech was stupid. Anything personal should have been kept private but he was playing the game and tried to act like her dad at same time. Marcy was out of line but I'm still happy with his picks.