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Bbnan

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I watch the live feeds..not 24/7..but I do know that there is a lot of over-blown speculation on this board. None of the houseguests are half as bad as they are made out to be.

That being said, what I have seen of Roddy, I don't like. The thing is, I don't think he thinks in his mind he is being a jerk. He really is smart in so many ways, but he is not smart in reading people. I actually think he is socially backwards. Some people in the Clubhouse think he is so good with people, but people can see through all that stuff real quick. True friendship is not giving only compliments. True friendship is someone who can gently talk to you about the good and the bad.

Bbnan

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Efilon, drinking does put on weight. That is not bashing, that is the truth. Amy has put on weight, and Amy has a drinking problem. I know! I come from a family with drinking problems and I know all the signs.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Efilon: "Change the she/her to he/him and leave out the family part and I could say exactly the same about Roddy."

Yes you could Efilon if that is what you truly believe. I simply don't like Roddy. I don't like his tactics and I don't like his mindgames. You could say the same about Dani. Who can say why I give Dani a pass and hold Roddy's feet to the flames? I think it's because Dani is basically a good person and Roddy has some personality characteristics that are repulsive to me.

Personally I agree with Dani's assessment of Tonya however I believe that saying these things on national television was the wrong thing for Dani to do. But, it certainly wasn't mentioned on the show and Dani may have assumed that since Tonya said they "turn off the internet" so that should could tell those things then any repeats of those same stories would receive the same treatment.

Either way, we have our favs and our own reasons for supporting certain people. Good luck to both of us!

Theo17

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sorry but rooting for roddy is like rooting for darth vader, the grinch who stole xmas, and that old lady who is after the dalmations. I couldnt root for this guy as long as I still had a heart and a soul.

Solidsnake

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
darth vader was always the best man..

Efilon

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"drinking does put on weight. That is not bashing, that is the truth. Amy has put on weight, and Amy has a drinking problem. I know! I come from a family with drinking problems and I know all the signs."

Bbnan, I know all about alcoholism also, there are several recovering alcoholics in my family. That being said, it may be the truth that Amy has put on weight and drinking may be the reason, but the way Dani put it to Marcellus and the actions she used when saying it were what I would consider bashing/trashing.

One other thing, Amy may well have a drinking problem, but many 24 year olds just out of college do a lot of partying and drinking. Even with all the alcoholism I've seen with my brothers and sisters I can't say that Amy's drinking is because she's alcoholic, especially since all I know about her drinking is from live feeds, these boards and television shows.

Ddr1135

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani and Marci did have a bashing session on Amy's weight this week. They talked about her weight and both were a little harsh in their words. I watched in on the live feeds and my opinion of them changed that day, since they were particularly cruel and harsh in their wording.

I love the fact that Amy can't keep a secret. It blows all their strategies. That's why Dani campaigns against her. They all talk about playing an "honest" game, well, isn't Amy doing that by not keeping a secret, LOL?

Hermione69

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, gosh darn and slop the chickens, I looked here to see some people say something positive about everyone's favorite villain of BB3 and didn't find that at all. I am going to brave the wrath of the clan and say I can't help but admire the man for his smooth talking and if he makes it through this week he deserves to win it all!

P.S. Theo, Darth Vader and the Grinch were good guys in the end. Be careful of your analogies or they may be self-fulfilling and then you would have no one to dislike!

Theo17

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
herm I wsnt speaking about the end. Actually the name darth vader really only applied when he was under the dark side of the force. Before and after that he was atticus Skywalker I believe. Sorry I find nothing admirable about this man. He could be the worlds greatest con artist and bs shoveler but its still bs he is shoveling. The funny thing is I really liked eric and would have liked to see eric have a chance at winning. I look at roddy as just a huge bully and they have every right to play the game. He acts like they do not and that he is somehow being robbed because they nominated him.

Mollywood

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Roddy very much...it p*** me off to hear him being faulted for playing the game his way..who are they to judge what is the proper way..i think they are all in love with him, including marci..and most of this stems from jealousy when he talks to anyone..they each feel cheated on..

Mollywood

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It would be just like queen marci to turn on his best friend cause she gained some unsightly weight. i think he sealed his fate with that nomination...i hope so..i dont like dani either but she hasnt turned on anyone...its just her desperationg makes me nervous..but she is a good friend to some,

Hermione69

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Theo, I guess I just see that as his strategy and I don't hold it against him. If it gets him far, more power to him, if the other see through it and kick him out, more power to them.

Earthmother

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy herself is the one who told Roddie she was selfish and spoiled even before his nomination of her and he agreed with her and told her so. He used the information given to him. When did Tonya say "I'm a bad mother"? When did Gerry say "I'm a letch who is after the young girls in the house and I want Marc too"? For you to point out faults in yourself and others to agree is a far cry from making things up that you have no proof of and spreading it like a disease through the house in way of gossip.

All the hgs like Roddy and they say so. It's not his personality they fear it's his game playing, the manipulation. This is how they should all be playing. If you look at what has happened so far in this game he will probably go down as the most liked hg other than Jason by the hgs themselves. Not one of them has said a vile thing about him except in reference to his religious beliefs and that has been minimal.

I don't feel any of them so far feel bullied by him, just outplayed. If they were that afraid of him they would have gotten rid of him the two times they had a chance and not cared what Amy thought. How would getting rid of Amy hurt any of them? He has campaigned for himself using the strong approach which makes them second guess themselves.

Ddr1135

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw the hot tub scene with Roddy and Marci and I got the impression that Marci HAD sealed a deal with Roddy. His justification to Amy last night about the hot tub scene was he was feeling ANTI MARCI VIBES in the house, blah, blah, blah. Roddy did not lie about that. IMO they had a deal.

Wendo

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually Earthmother, I don't think Amy digs Roddy so much anymore. She felt his comments and compliments to her Thursday night (when they stayed up late talking) were nothing more than him playing and using her.

Mollywood

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
yes, as Roddy says, its survival of the weakest.

Reader234

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I keep thinking that in the context of a game, I may make my mind up about a player. BUT I think its important to add that I dont know the people playing!! Just like in tv, movies etc, we see what an actor's PR lets us see, however in BB we see 24/7, it is easy to assume that means we "know" them. This constant strategizing by the hg makes me think they often show the sides they want to be seen. When something like a pie challenge is given, its fun, and it shows.

I couldnt stand up to this 24/7, and I would certainly keep some things private. (or secret!) And in doing so hope that would lead to a victory!

I think Roddy is using every means possible to "play" the game. I think there are sides to Roddy (and every hg, jsut like in people at work etc) that I would like, and dislike. BUT far be it from me to judge his character, unless its only in the context of this game?

better find Adven, 'cause I want to sign this "dazed and confused" lol

Jagger

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I still like Roddy and I like the way he is playing the game. All the hgs like Roddy and admire the way he is playing the game, that is why they want him out, he is just too good at it and they don't want to fall victim to him. I have not heard any of them say he was not a good person, or even a bad player, just that he was a dangerous player that needed to be eliminated.

Earthmother

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No one trusts him Wendo, but they like him. There is a difference. They don't trust each other either, but do they like each other..hmmmm I'm not so sure.

The way I see it people don't like Roddy because he is manipulative. It's the form of manipulation used that I question.

Did Roddy bully Jason with his manipulation? Yes he did..Was Jason crushed by it and feel Roddy despised him for it..NO

Did Dani bully Amy by making her apologize to Marc twice for hurting Amy? YES and I see that as a form of bullying in the form of manipulation.

Did Marc bully Amy to stay away from Roddy? Yes, and in my mind the worst of all bullying and manipulation (if you are going to be my friend you will do what I say, when I say it, or I will have you tossed out on your ear. (I will treat you like the child you are and make you see it my way, and I don't care how that makes you feel.)

Therefore I base my decisions on who I like best on who has been the least offensive to others and shown the most respect for the other hgs. Marc has made it quite clear that Roddy needs to be punished for treating Gerry kindly in his last week because the perception was he was making deals with him. Too bad he never seems to see the perception that maybe someone just knows how to respect other human beings.

Theo17

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Herm i dont hold anything against roddy once he leaves the house. I just find him to be the least likeable person in his methods. I find them selfrightous, hypocritical and condescending. If thats the way he plays the game thats is not a problem but that doesnt mean I should want him to be rewarded for it. I find him to be a bully and I would rather jason win. He lied repeatedly last night and then while lying he says i have never lied. I just hope the other hg's can play the game clean once he is gone. The more I see roddys reaction to being nominated the more I respect the way Gerry handled his.In fact other than Jason I find Gerry the best of the bunch even with his ridiculous veto speech.

Maris

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy was making deals with Gerry in the last week. Roddy was doing every thing he could to keep Gerry in the game because he knew he would be on the block this week. That said, I would offer that Roddy is probably the most trustworthy person in that house. He did not attack the HGs behind their backs, he negotiated deals and worked the HGs. That is called playing the game.

Roddy also showed more loyalty than any HG. When it would have served him better to cut Josh or Chiara loose, he didnt do that. He stuck by them, probably to his detriment. The HGs claim he is manipulative and is the devil but he has played the game more honestly than any of them and their problem is that he is bright and throws their words back at them. They cant take back their words. They all with the exception of Danni did deals with Roddy to stay to the end, including Marcellas.

My hope is that Amy realizes she is going anyway and she should make the decision to go this week. Veto Roddy, force Marcellas to nominate someone else and leave Roddy in the game to force Danni, Jason or Lisa to nominate him next week. Then she can walk out of that house with her citrona and a piece of cheese.

Earthmother

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, I'm going to hate myself for this; but I agree with you Maris..lol

It is Roddy's job to make deals, just like Dani and her deal with J or the one she has with L or the one she has with M. No different than the ones Marc has made with Gerry, Amy and Dani. It's no different than the original 6, or the deal Lisa made with Eric to avenge his eviction, or the one Chiara made with Jason.

These people are being paid!!! to play a game. It is their job, and if you can't make deals and then lie about making them then why the hell are you there? If it's for the social growth then I'd say from what I see most of them got jipped.

Theo17

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
earth mother if that is the case then roddy has no reason to be outraged. the same deals he was making with everyone else they all were free to make with others. I just do not get how its just a game when everyone else is nominated but its some major tragedy and "scumbaggery" when roddy is. Why is he untouchable. Why can he play the game to win but nobody else is allowed to try and win. Why is it ok to vote out lori, tonya, amy, gerry and eric but not roddy. I just do not understand that.

Bailey

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Roddy and am saddened that he will be leaving this week. I think he's going to be blown away when he goes home and watches the tapes and sees how these people really operate behind the scenes.
I don't understand how any of them can feel more threatened by Roddy and yet are practically handing Dani the 500g's on a silver platter. It is sooooo absurb!

Theo17

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
baily nobody is handing anyone 500k. actually thats impossible since they only have 1 vote each at the end. Getting rid of roddy opens the game to all of them. With him there none of them were safe. Now they all will have a good fair chance to be in the final 2.