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Gindog

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
that Amy nearly had him on the block and Dani talked her out of it? Last night when he was telling JC how Roddy has gone to bat for him - convincing various HOHs not to nom him, it made me wonder about this. Seems like he doen't know this, and I just wonder why Dani hasn't come right out and said. (Or maybe I missed this!)

Cameltoes

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle told him that Amy was going to put him up. Then they came up with the plan to doublecross Amy in order to get her to nominate Roddy with Chiara. As far as Roddy going to bat for him, Jason has been completely snowed.

Gindog

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok thanks Cameltoes, I watched all that but my head gets so full of who told who what and who knows what I can't keep up. Just seems like he was emphasizing how much RODDY did for him, and forgot that others have done the same, or more.

Ocean_Islands

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well he was talking specifically about why he did not put Roddy up, so it's logical he wouldn't have talked about others.

Kmjm

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Earlier, Jason was beating himself up about his wimping out last week by not nominating Roddy. He said that hindsight is 20/20 and if he had only known then what he knows now, then things would have been different. What exactly does he know now that he didn't know then, does anyone know?

Mollywood

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
does jason know d. is molving away from jason..hes b ecoming an after thought..and its mar and d. on the feeds planning to be at the end together, and they hi fived that two black people winning would shock everyone , be great tv..i dont like them anymore..they are so racist

Mcraig2

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle is jumping on ANY bandwagon she can...which is exactly what she has accused everyone else of doing, only calling them the 'devil' or 'demon' or whatever else she can think of. I wish Marc would grow a brain and get her out. I think she's afraid of Roddy because he's the only one intelligent enough to figure out what she's doing. If it suits her purpose, she'd make a deal with Roddy too, and if he doesn't go this week, watch for that to happen. She's already alluded to it to Jason. And...I really don't think Roddy would get rid of Jason over the rest of those people in that house. Danielle has to make Jason think that though in order to achieve her purpose. She manages to plant the seed of mistrust..and so far, has let others do the 'dirty' work..like she accuses Roddy of doing.

Cameltoes

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kmjm - I think he was worried about Marcellas not putting Roddy up. I guess last week he assumed that whoever got HOH next would put Roddy up.

Theo17

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
jason is a wimp. He doesnt know anything more now then he did a few days ago. I like jason but he has talked tough regarding roddy before. Roddy tried to get him nominated twice and jason for some reason believed roddy saved him. I think Julie even had to hold in the laugh. Sounds like marcy might go roddy and amy or roddy and lisa

Bluie

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
...that he his is a total hypocrite. He'd be better off as a Buddhist.

Lovemarc

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
...that Marcy doesn't like his undies?

Scotia_Nova

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Watching the feeds right now I'm wondering if anyone else notices how Jason's whole demeanor changes when Roddy enters the room. He doesn't seem to have the stutter/fidget thing when it's only him and Dani - but when Roddy gets any where near Jason he starts to stutter and even his tone of voice changes to that of a school boy.

I think Jason is very young and always been taught to be "respectful of his elders" ...

Playing this game with people like Roddy must be very difficult.

Letmeinthere

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dani is realizing that there is no way she'll win the big bucks in the final if its between her and Jason or Lisa. She's calculating every move. If you notice, she's been part of every nomination eviction choice so far. Keeping her friendships open to everyone.. even enough to get Chiara to tell Roddy who to nominate. They've all been in her favor so far. This way she stays off the chopping block and makes side deals. Having Jason on her side was her best strategy yet. However, I don't think she'll carry through with that plan - nor the one with Lisa.

Wendo

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mcraig2 said, "Danielle is jumping on ANY bandwagon she can...which is exactly what she has accused everyone else of doing, only calling them the 'devil' or 'demon' or whatever else she can think of. I wish Marc would grow a brain and get her out."

You have to remember though, Dani doesn't trust Marcellas. He spilled her strategy to Roddy and she knows it. She won't dump Jason, I haven't seen anything in her DR entries to even suggest it. I'm not saying it can't happen (and I'd be shocked) but at this point, nothing supports her dumping Ja at this time.

Romans8_1

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bluie - sound like you got some real anti-Christian sentiment going on.

Bohawkins

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would really love to see two black people winning this thing.

Now, I don't really like either Marcellas or Danielle, but I like them as well as any of the other houseguests (they all are repulsive in each their own way). But, I just like to see more barriers come down. It is a good situation where black people can win a contest in which white people are the ones who voted them to that final place. Of course, if they get there they are not being put in that position gratuitously, they will have to had played the game very well to do so, but it means that race was never a factor in eliminating anyone.

Events like that become milestones in race relations, and it will show that race is not the factor it once was. There will be no more comments like, "no way a black person could have a chance, with a bunch of whites being able to vote them out on a whim."

I love to see other events turn out like this. I like to see black beauty pagent winners in a field of whites; I like to see a black talk show host like Oprah lead the market. Over the years I have found that my own business and personal relationships with blacks have become easier and far more natural, because the blacks I associate with are much more accepting of dealing with whites than they were twenty years ago. They have their defensive guard down, and feel more a part of the mainstream. I attribute this in large part to the success of literate, admirable sports heros like Jordan, Emmitt Smith, and so many others, and entertainers like Cosby, Samuel L. Jackson, and Oprah.

So, if two blacks win big brother, voted by their fellow contestants who are all white, I feel it will be just one more step in establishing that better society which we all are hoping for.

Kalekona

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 05:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason stutters and figits when he is nervous he said so. He feels safe around Dani and doesn't have to worry about what he says or how he says it. With Roddy he is not open or totally comfortable.

Mrdisguise

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
maybe Jason's STUTTERING and wimpiness is all an ACT.

Jason's brother can clarify this:

does jason stutter in real life or is he imitating EDWARD NORTON in the movie "Primal Fear"??

Ellenkats

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 07:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, not to accuse my fave guy of lying, but.... I don't think Jason really meant he was supporting Roddy because Roddy had supported him. I think he just needed to say something to explain why he didn't nom Roddy. It seemed clear he was pressured in DR to give a reason. Seems he stuttered a bit explaining how Roddy 'looked out' for him. Just my take.

Shrike3000

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 07:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani does whatever it takes to survive, her main alliance is still with Jason. She just does what she needs to to get ppl to do what she wants. He alliance with Ja is still strong, from what I see on live feeds.

In fact I just saw Dani talking to Jason about Marcellus and how he trusts her. She is still playing Marc for the J/L/D alliance.

Ellenkats

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 07:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I forgot to explain why I thought Jason didn't nominate Roddy (g) I think he didn't want the confrontation or a jury vote against him in final two. Jason nommed people that he thought would handle it well, make no enemies, and let someone else do dirty work. I can't completely say I blame him. I do NOT think he is buying into Roddy's pal rubbish.

Stingerman

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Is Jason aware that he just got screwed over by Danni???

My god this women would sell her soul for that money!!!!!!

Shrike3000

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Stingerman, he didnt get screwed over by Danni! She is still in the game with him, she is just telling other ppl what they want to hear.

She goes and tells Jason how things are going, they are still THE alliance.

Ellenkats

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bluie >>...that he his is a total hypocrite. He'd be better off as a Buddhist.<<
Bluie >>If he had any kind of "Christian" sensibilities<< (from "Disgusted With Jason")

I am disappointed at this anti-Christian sentiment. If comments were made about Marc based strictly on the fact he was gay or black, no one would tolerate that. Or if comments were made about Dani based strictly on the fact she is a woman, it would cause an uproar. Or if Josh's game were criticised based strictly on the fact he was Jewish -- folks would have been outraged. But Jason's game is all to easily criticised based strictly the fact he claims to be a Christian. I think it's safe to say *most* people aspire to be honest and would say it is very important to them. And these '*most* people' come from all walks: Athiesm, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.. Why is it if Jason plays this game the exact same way everyone else in the house does, he's called a hypocrite? Shouldn't anyone who claims to be honest be held to that same standard? Everyone in that house claims to be honest, but none of them are called hypocrites so easily, only Jason. Does Christianity really value honesty higher than all other belief systems? Hmmm, what does that say about other belief systems? Or let me ask it this way: if Jason were anything other than a Christian, would lying somehow be more acceptable? Why?
In conclusion, I have to ask, why is it politically correct to tolerate pretty much everything except for Christianity? I'm not even a Christian, but I always wondered about this Christian backlash.
climbing back down off soapbox

Maris

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not a christian either Ellen and it is beyond me how religion somehow enters into the fray of a realtiy tv show. What it has to do with anything is beyond me.

Bohawkins

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe that if anyone aspires to and states that they are pledged to any particular philosophy, such as Jason has maintained, that he is a Christian, then that person should be expected to embrace and defend the principles sacred to that philosophy.

Essential to the Jesus teachings are that truth in spoken word and deed are the characteristic of being one with God. Jesus taught: "Satan is the father of lies, the truth is not in him, he was a liar from the start. I am the Truth, know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free. There will come a time with the true worshiper will worship in spirit and in truth." In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. That word was Truth, not lies. Spoken word can be truth, lies or idle speech according to the teachings. When the truth is spoken it is the very Spirit of the God of Truth, and lies are from Satan. These are the tenets of the faith.

Yes, truth in spoken word and deed are the very cornerstone of the Jesus belief system and code. Prevarication, deceit, mendacity, bearing false witness, lying, telling falsehoods, misrepresentation in one's speech, having the "truth not in you" all are characteristics of someone who's father is the devil. A child of God is someone who lives for the truth, speaks the truth and has the holy spirit in him (known as the Spirit of Truth).

In fact, the simplicity of the religion is that it is a religion of truth versus lies.

You cannot represent Christianity (or, at least, the religion of Jesus, which may or may not be everyone's version of Christianity) and be a party to deceitfulness and the compromise of the truth.

If I went on the show saying I was a follower of the Church of Satan (only an example; I'm not), and followed Anton LaVey's teachings, and did not adhere to utilizing the power of the lie, but championed the truth, then I would be a poor representative of that faith.

Also part of the Christian philosophy is that if you identify yourself as a follower then your every deed must be so that you do not lead others astray and that you always represent the faith.

So observers are correct in calling Jason to task if he has indeed lied or used another to lie on his behalf. If the game requires the lie to win or to survive elimination at any stage then the game is one which no true believer could play without compromising his beliefs.

Countrymeadow

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Is Jason aware that the "deal" he has with Dani about going to the end together, is also the same "deal" she has with Marcellas???? I think NOT!

Today Marc and Dani were outside together. Marc specifically asked Dani if the deal about the 2 of them going to the end still was true. She said absolutely.

However, doesn't she have the same deal with Jason? LOL!

Where are will's shorts when we need them?

Ellenkats

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bohawkins -- if you'd read my post more carefully, then perhaps you would have addressed the point I raised about the other HGs who have also professed to a philosophy of honesty, and aren't living up to it either. Yet no one seems to call them hypocrites for it. Explaining how honesty became a part of Christianity doesn't really address my point, imo, especially since honesty wasn't a new teaching of Jesus' but rather had already been included in the Torah given some 1500 years earlier.

Bohawkins

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ellenkats - my post was not meant to be a rebuttal of your post or even an answer to it. I am happy to let your very well stated post stand on its own. I actually had written my post yesterday, and meant to post it, but had to go away for a while. So you can consider my thoughts as totally insular. I am happy to let your good discussion, and the fine points you made remain that way as well. And, you are correct about the continuum thread from the Hebraic writings to the Jesus teachings. Jesus made the affirmation that he would not add or subtract anything from the ancient scriptures. So you are right on. Keep on truckin'.

Ellenkats

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
oh, sorry lolololol

John316

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ellenkats - BRAVO! you make an excellent point about the backlash against Christianity in this game - and you're right Bohawkins didn't address your point at all, in fact imo they missed the mark in what they did address about Christianity and honesty - i'll explain...

first about the backlash, it is sad but it happens everyday in society and the media, the fact that it has come into this game is no surprise. I believe there are many reasons and I can speak to them from personal experience because I used to be a big "bible basher" calling all Christians hypocrites... but what is so sad is that I was so "open minded" about ANYTHING else that came along... I found it easy to believe in anything but the Bible and fight vigorously for everyone's right to believe in it too. Would have argued about how offensive you were being too bring up every other belief/lifestyle choice in a negative way or not- but because I grouped all Christians as "hypocrites" I guess it allowed me to justify not protecting them!
Christianity scares us because it has standards and says there is TRUTH - we would all rather live in our own world of whatever is right for me and doesn't hurt you - no accountability to God...

Anyway, I had a radical experience and got to know Jesus and found out He was real and it changed my life so I can speak from both sides. I was like Roddy ("people are Gods" basically living with your own thoughts/intellect as your God, etc) and became like Jason (Praise the Lord!) Now that I'm a Christian,I find another reason for backlash could be that because (like Jason) I try to live with a different set of standards than many in our society choose to, no matter how loving and non-judgemental I am toward people, many feel ashamed convicted by their own choices and feel bad attributing it to me/other Christians when it's about them...
(Ellenkats - Congratulations, you are a lot further than I was before I was a Christian, at least you recognize the disparity in treatment of Christians - I was so "open" to every cause but couldn't extend my open mindedness to "those people" How open minded is that?!)
Thankfully, I now realize that everything I thought about Christianity was wrong (i, like most, criticized it without ever bothering to see what Jesus really said or meant for myself!) Christians aren't perfect, far from it, we're forgiven. We can't be honest, pure or anything else righteous without the grace of God, we fall short daily but Jesus paid the price for our sins and judges our heart/motives not our actions if we believe in Him. The one thing that separates true Christianity from all other religions is that it is not based on doing "works" to earn anything, it's not about us at all but our dependance and belief in Jesus.

I'm trying not to be too long... I care a lot about the topic and haven't posted since BB2!
Last thought on BoHawkins criticism (and others) of Jason being a Christian and playing the game.... THIS IS A GAME! If you played the card game "uno" against a Christian would you expect them to reveal their Strategy to you as you play so they aren't "being dishonest" Certainly not! Would you expect a Christian to let you know they were strategically making a chess move to get you to move so they could then win? NO!
This is no different - its a GAME! he has always been honest and kind in his personal dealings and smart and strategic in playing the game. Jason is a great example of Christianity that I admire and pray for!
thanks for bringing up the great points Ellenkat!
Go Jason!!

John316

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
had a file lock - tried to post this quickly as soon as I saw my error!

Bohawkins - you are exactly right on that we are to represent Jesus as witnesses in our words and deeds - I was worried about being too long and didn't say that and should have! I only wanted to disagree about Jason on this point because of the game issue...didn't mean to seem as if I disagreed on anything else you said if it did! Also, now I see your post and that our points about the rebuttal being off point were irrelevant as it wasn't a rebuttal! I'm really sorry for both!!

You did a great job expressing Jesus teachings, keep it up! God Bless

Feels like an amy/marcellas make up moment here with all the love and apologizing! :-)

Stingerman

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shrike > I do believe that she told Jason she wanted to take him to the finals. This afternoon it was Marcellus that she now wants to take to the finals. So she can't take both of them since there are only 2 prize amounts.

Who do you think she is going to screw over Jason or Marcellus?????.

Lets just wait and see if she tells Jason about the convo she had with Marcellus. That's why I said she would sell her soul to get that money.

Muse

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Danielle's ultimately loyalty is to Jason. She's already said she doesn't trust Marcellas, and she shares everything with Jason. I think she lied today because she felt pressured to. If she hadn't, she probably would have been nominated.

That being said, though, I wouldn't be surprised if Danielle threw the final HOH if it was her, Marcellas, and Jason in the final three. Then she's not breaking her word. If for some reason she *didn't* throw it, and she won...I'm almost positive that she'd take Jason. But it'd probably be in her best interest to throw it.