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Solitaire30606

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am at a loss. Amy and Marc are probably the only safe people this week. Dani and Lisa? Dani and Jason? Rod and Jason? Jason and Lisa? Lisa and Rod? ROD AND DANI???

Blossumtree

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
most likely scenarios:

roddy and jason (bye bye roddy)
or
roddy and dani (clash of the titans)

and if r goes up then i don't see pov being used by anyone to save him.

Theo17

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I would like to see roddy and jason. I dont think even amy is for sure safe. Marcy is always a loose cannon. When are nominations. I'm hopping they dont leave marcy and roddy alone for one of his mind melds. Heck I'm waiting to see roddy convince a hoh to nominate themselves.

Costacat

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd *love* to see a "clash of the titans" with Marcellas putting Roddy and Danielle up together. But I suspect if he thinks about it, he'll put up Roddy and Jason -- since they'd be votes for each other. I'm just hoping that, either way, someone doesn't use the POV, and "save" Roddy. I really really want to see him get evicted.

What555456

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think a better strategy for him is nominating Jason and Lisa. I cannot imagine him nominating Amy, but she would be the best to go from his angle, I think. Her leaving keeps him from being tied to someone the other HG's don't really like very much, but just tolerate.

While I don't think his ego allows him to see reality, he is just a second tier player. He needs to get rid of the other second tier players so that he can be one of the last two standing and then, maybe, he could win.

It seems to me this is his only chance of getting there. As long as Dani and Roddy have other options for #2, Marcellus does not stand a chance. His real opposition are Amy, Jason and Lisa. Dani and Roddy will fend for themselves.

Romans8_1

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Prediction ... Lisa and Jason are up.

Here's why.

1) helps break up the L/J/D alliance (as long as D does not get veto)

2) this is key *** - keeps both D and R in the game. This is guaranteed to keep D/R focused on each other and off of Marc/Amy. D will always perceive R as a bigger threat and vice-versa. If D gets it next week, then R is up and vice-versa. Then if A/M get it the next week, they pick off the other D/R that didn't get evicted. This will put A/M/(L/J) in the final 3.

All this will work barring the veto being used.

Only 2 people would use the veto in this scenerio
1) Danni to save Lisa (knowing those 2 could save J)
2) R to save J

Blossumtree

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
the clash would make for some exciting moments in what is becoming a pretty dull house. what makes it so interesting is that roddy and danielle are each other's polar opposites in so many ways yet each has managed to be recognized by the HG's as the 2 strongest forces in the house...yin and yang i suppose.

Solitaire30606

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow Romans... That is exactly how he should be thinking.

Blossumtree

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
oh i hope he's not thinking like that; roddy must go. he's messing up the live feeds, everytime i see him i get the overwhelming compulsion to change to another feed but he's everywhere these days. oh what i would give for a roddy-free house. surely marcelus must have some insecticide whch will vanquish this roach for all eternity.

Theo17

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He is going to nominate roddy to help roddy grow as a person ala amy. lol

Wrat1010

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think he should put up Lisa. He should put up people that he thinks are a threat to beat him in the final. He should put one of these couples:

JASON/RODDY
RODDY/DANIELLE
DANIELLE/JASON

Even if Roddy goes, he still can gamble that Lisa will team up with him and Amy against Jason and Danielle.

Keiffer

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You guys Marcy plays with emotion not logic. Logic would tell a person that Danny is way stronger that Roddy because she still has friends in the house. Instead every decision he makes is based on emotion and based on that Danny wins because she manipulates bassed on emotion, where Roddy manipulates based on logic. Given that Roddy will go up this week, and no matter who it is against he looses.

More than likely Marcy is going to loose the game today if he doesnt put up a combo of Danny and either Jason or Lisa. The problem with putting up Danny is she will hold a crudge for it even though she knows she was safe, and it will give her all she needs to put him up (or should I say have another person put him up) next week. The only way to put Danny up is if you know she is leaving because you do not want her in the house the week after being up.

Gina8642

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I already posted this in another thread but it pertains to this one more.

I hope he puts up Roddy and Dani.
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Likely Result:

I figure Roddy will go.

-Jason will have a tough choice, but his first loyalties lie with Dani.
-Lisa will easily pick D to stay
-Amy could go either way, but it doesn't matter, Dani will have majority to stay.
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Justifing his vote:

Marcellus can justify his nomination of Dani by saying D has never gone up before, and it is her turn, and that she is safe anyway.

Marc can justify his nom of Roddy by saying he is a threat at the end, and by this point in the game people you like must be nominated, so it's time to eliminate threats even if you like them.
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POV use:

I don't think anyone would Veto out Roddy at this point. And there would be no point in taking D out. If someone did then Marc could put up Li or Ja and Roddy would still go.
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Strategy:

Dani will freak out to some degree with being nom.d and will probably go overboard a bit with showing her hand to Ja and Li. Therefore possilbly weakening her bonds with them a bit, which may increase Marc's chances in a final 2 vote. Even if it doesn't sway Li or Ja's final vote, it may persuade the votes of other former HGs who also vote in the end.
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Alternatives:

If Marc's doesn't have nerve to do this, I think a Roddy/Jason nomination is the second most strategically beneficial to Marc and the result will be similar.

Crazydog

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mods, is there a way to combine the two nomination threads? And there is also already a lot of nomination talk on the "Marcellus HOH" thread. These multiple threads make discussion hard to follow.

Maryk

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellas will choose the easy way out for a "quiet week", that will be Jason and Roddy. That will seal his fate unless Amy wins HOH next week, since he will be the target of D, J, and L.

Theo17

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If roddy gets nominated vs jason will jason be persuaded like kiki and josh to tell everyone to keep roddy at some point?

Azriel

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
His best bet would be Dani and Jason. All he'd have to say is that he liked everyone that was left and so he picked the two that have never been nominated. That's what I would do. I think Dani would be sure to be gone if he put up that pair. :)

Theo17

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Then he gives up on getting roddy because there will be only 3 more nominations and roddy has a chance to win 2 of the 3. If they let roddy go this week they think there is always time but there isnt. roddy is smart. He sees the numbers and knows that right now they will all have a 40% chance after this week of getting to the end and with only 3 more hohs after this week the odds are even greater because you can win the hoh 2 of the 3 times.

Lurknomore

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it depends a lot on what Marcellas we get. In the beginning of the game he said his purpose in nominations were to remove his biggest competitors. If that is the case I'd say the noms will be Roddy and (sniff) Jason.

The problem is he HAS been playing with more emotion and less smarts lately. If that is the case I think they will be Lisa/Jason, because Lisa nominated him and he sees Jason as a threat and he doesn't really like him.

The wild card is Dani. She is CLEARLY one of his biggest threats, but they never officially broke off their alliance did they? So depending on how fickle he is, she might factor in my first scenario.

One thing is for sure...gonna be interesting noms this week, and a really long annoying FOTH wait (when aren't they but especially this time!).

Jagger

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mars has said on several occasions that if he won hoh he would put up Danny and Roddy, lets see if he has the ba!!s to do it. Love to sit back and watch them both work the 3 voters for the week.

You could pretty much guarantee that he would be nominated the next week by hoh unless if Amy won it.

Cafe976

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But on Wednesday night's show he said of Danielle and Roddy "whoever gets HOH is who I'm going to the end with," basically implying that he has deals with both. It seems to me that it would be in his best interests not to narrow down to one of two alliances this quickly?

If he really trusts Dani, then he'll just put up Roddy and it will be an easy decision. If he's playing both sides or realizes that Jason and Lisa are more loyal to Dani than to him, then he may nominate Dani. But he's not going to want to pay the price for that move if Dani doesn't go. So his best logical option (if he won't nom Amy) would be what Romans said, to nominate JASON and LISA because he won't completely ruin himself... (We think alike! I had worked this out last night.)

However, he could put Roddy up against Danielle, which would be verrry interesting. I'm afraid that this might be his worst option because Danielle has 2 votes in her pocket with Jason and Lisa and would then be out to get Marcellas sooner rather than later...

Dee723

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL. Yeah but like it was said Marc is playing by emotions and I bet he would love to see the clash of the titans and not even worry about being nominated. Plus if Dani gets HOH she's putting up Marcellas anyway.

Romans8_1

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Cafe... it will be J/L or R/D. The R/D nom will put him on the the block the very next week unless Amy wins it so I doubt the R/D.

Gina8642

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like the idea of a Jason/Lisa nomination. What would poor little Dani do?? LOL

I doubt it will happen. But it sure would be fun. I think it would definitely turn Dani 100% against Marc. I don't think Marc wants that, but I'm not sure.

Theo17

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
roddy just sat down in the nomination chair and told jason to sit next to him. More of his reverse mental crap