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Shrike3000

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There are so many here who have turned on Jason and I just cannot figure out why. So many of you posters are just constantly trying to find something to complain about. If anything does not go exactly how you planned it, you turn on the HG who did not follow your plan.

Alot of you guys are just like the HG's themselves. Scandalous!

Jason is playing the game, and making friends. In playing the game, he has to always look out for himself first, and having both Roddy AND Danielle both on his side, is HUGE. Now no matter who gets HOH next week he has angles to play to stay in the house. If he had put up Roddy then the line in the sand would have been drawn, and unless things went perfect, D/J/L wouild have been picked off one by one. Now he can keep playing no matter what happens, and he has garnered support with Chiara, Josh, and Roddy for votes in the Finale if he makes it there.

Jason is darn smart, and even things he says in the DR are smart. So he cried and talked about how he could not nom Roddy his friend, and now all you Roddy haters say he is his slave. Well you know what, he just bought some finale votes with that little crying session, and it might have been real or not, but it was a great strategy move. And so what if he really did become friends with the guy?

First you all call him Dani's puppet, then he doesnt do her bidding so you call him Roddy's puppet. Have you ever considered that he may be no ones puppet?? Just playing the game for himself like he is supposed to? AND playing as good and genuine and honorable game as possible?

You posters can backstap and turn on people even faster than the hamsters! :)

Djgirl5235

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You go!!!!!! I'm with you all the way!!!!!!!

Theo17

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
its not a real nice thing to say you are going to protect danni then not do it.
danni helped stop jason from being nominated the same 2 weeks that roddy tried to get him nominated. People are disapoointed the he would turn his back on a friend and help a person that has been out to get him.

Cameltoes

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If I believed it was strategy, I would have no problem with it. However, his tearful DR did not leave that impression. I would feel the same way about anyone crying in the DR in the same manner. If Marcellas goes in there and cries about not being able to nominate Danielle, I would also see him as being weak. If it is strategy, then good for him for keeping it super secret even from the viewers.

Bbrules4ever

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
jason wont admit he is playing the game!!! that would compromise his pure, precious christian image.

Theo17

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
strategy to leave a player who has tried to knock you out 2 weeks in a row? The only person in the house that has told everyone else that jason was a liar? This wasnt strategy or loyalty. I like jason but its apparent he is scared to death of any confrontation. He just choose the 2 people that would not give him a hard time. I dont like him making excuses either like he was afraid of gerry using the pov. Well what was the exucse when he won the pov himself? He is just afraid to be confronted.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shrike! I am 3000% behind you on this one. Although I also fall into the catagory of Roddy-Dissenter, I am firmly in Jason's corner. He was the FIRST one in the house to recognize Roddy's strategy, he has offended no one, he has managed to successfully straddle two of the strongest alliances and his strategizing is so quiet and unassuming that he's not a target.

Brilliant!! I was just saying on another thread that Jason's fans were fickle. :)

Not me! Even if I'm the only Jason fan left on this board I will defend him until the curtain closes on BB3.

Shrike3000

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Anything the viewers see the Jury see's as well. He would be stupid to not be kind and sincere and emotional in the DR just like he is in the house.

Guiltyviewer

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You should be hearing from Wcv any second now.....:)

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BBrules...that is unfair and untrue. :(

Blossumtree

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
jason cried because he knew that he was too weak to do what he should have done. he couldn't stand up to roddy's psychological onslaught, yes he tried but roddy got to him and scewered jason with words like friendship, honest, morality until jason just broke down.

If i were jason i would have told Roddy that if he wanted to pursue a friendship after this is all over then i'm all for it, but this is a game and i have to do what is strategically in my best interest, i told all the other HG's that i might put them up and they all understood, you're the only one who has a problem with it.

Bailey

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shrike.. great post.. I totally agree!
I believe some people who now have a problem with Jason, saw him as a package with Dani. They are strong Dani supporters and will back up anyone that is on her side. Crossing Dani is a big no-no for those who have dropped their support for Jason. Personally, I think he made the best decision for himself in the game.. he has 2 strong players promising to take him with them to the end. How can he lose?

Mrdisguise

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Debdo wrote:"Roddy is valuable in the fact that most of his friends/allianances will form the core of the voting group for the final. Showing some restraint at this junction quite possibly ensures Jason more votes than if had acted solely as Dani's hand-puppet. I believe since Jason is wised as to how the game is played he did this as a strategic move knowing those voting are seeing & have seen all shows to date."

You are right. Why piss off Roddy and his friends (Eric, Tonya, Chiara, Josh) and lose their votes?

Jason should wait and let Danielle, Lisa, Amy, or Marcellas nominate Roddy.

Getting rid of Gerry or Amy is just as good as getting rid of Roddy. It's good to get rid of Gerry because people seem willing to keep him around. Gerry could end up in final 2 since it would be good strategy to go up against him. it would be good to get rid of amy because she is attached to Roddy & Marcellas. And people want to get rid of Amy because she was evicted and vacationed in Mexico.

Theo17

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
you dont try to befirend the strongest players. This isnt a popularity contest. You try top eliminate the strongest players. Jayson was really myopic and will be out within 3 weeks. Dont call me a jayson hater either. I have rooted for him almost from the start. This was a dumb dumb move. If he got rid of roddy danni would be aligned for him and so would lisa. Now he doesnt have any 100% friends because roddy preys on his own

Zeyna

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I sometimes feel that people are viewing all HG strategies in how they relate to Dani winning the game. If the strategy favors Dani, than it's great, if it favors Roddy, it's weak. I may be biased in my asessment as I do not want Dani to win, but I do think that Jason has made a good choice this week for himself.

Shrike3000

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63, don't get me wrong, Roddy is on the bottom of my list. I just thing some here seem to dislike him so much that they turn on anyone in the house who acts like they like him or does not vote for him or nom him. To play the game you have to get people to support you, and even though Roddy has done some Jason bashing, after this save that Jason just threw out, I think he bought alot of Roddy points, and from a powerful player like him, it could really help him win.

Also, Jason may actually really see Roddy as a friend, but consider that he does not see all we do, and he is also in a strange enviroment. So holding onto something he sees as a little bit of normal life (a buddy) is not strange.

All of our disdain for Roddy comes from stuff we see, but the other HG's dont. They dont have the facts like we do, and anything they "hear about" they have to take with a grain of salt.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bailey I thought we were on opposite sides and yet here you are agreeing with me! What fun!!

Guiltyviewer

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Wcv, I knew you'd hear it and come running!

Blossomtree, I'm still hoping that Jason will do just that---he was simply overcome by his emotional response, and seeing how deftly Roddy sways people's opinions, and especially because Jason probably hasn't met too many folks like Roddy before so was understandably unprepared, I can overlook his DR reaction. But NOW he has to do what needs to be done. Your speech would be PERFECT!

Cameltoes

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How can he lose? Even if it is strategy, there is risk. His allies think he's susceptible to Roddy. Prior to his nominations, they never mentioned putting him up but now they have mentioned a Roddy vs. Jason nomination. That could backfire royally if Roddy campaigns successfully against him. This is not a win-win proposition. Roddy is not reliable as a "protector". Danielle hasn't been on the block yet. Roddy has been up twice and is at the highest risk of being up again next week.

Jagger

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Look at Jason in a different aspect, if he had nominate Roddy and someone won the veto and saved Roddy look at the position he would be in, he would now have to nominate someone else, which would mean he now has 3 people out to get him, Roddy and the two nominees. This way with out nominating him he still has Danny support plus he has Roddys support and there will only be one person out to get him, and with the way he nominated that person telling them they were safe that person may not hold a grudge against him.

I also think Jason wants Danny to do her own dirty work, he doesn't want to be the one that got Roddy kicked out of the house, he will loose numerous votes in the end if that is the case, besides he did give his word to Chi that he would look out for Roddy. Jason has never heard Roddy bad mouthing him, others have told him that, but he has yet to over hear a conversation where Roddy is saying anything bad about him.

I thought it was an excellent move on his part, but than again I am not only a Jason fan but a Roddy fan also.

Theo17

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
you have to put jayson up if you put roddy up. How can you not when jayson is an obvious vote to keep roddy.

Shrike3000

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think targeting the strongest players instead of befriending them is the best strategy. Look how far Jason's alliance with Dani has taken him. Now his alliance with Dani is weaker than is was b4, but still there, and he has made his connection with Roddy stronger.

He can use these players to get to the end, and probably beat anyone he goes up against.

Don't get rid of strong players, USE them.

Blossumtree

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
good point theo, i hope that's how it goes this week cause roddy would obviously be out; at least on the surface it would seem so but we all now how the weather changes in that house every few minutes.

Theo17

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
shrike you only have 4 evictions left. you run out of time. You need to get rid of the stronger players. jason should want marcy , amy or gerry in the end with him not roddy or danni. I rooted for jason for a month. He shot himself in the foot and not for strategy. He is just afraid of confrontations. Name 3 arguments jason has had in a month

Luvsreality

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I am a weirdo. I love both Jason and Roddy. Maybe I have fallen for Roddy's schmoozing, but I see him as a sincere and really likeable guy. I think Jason has really struggled to play the game and maintain his ethics to the best of his ability - a TOUGH row to hoe! He did, blinded by infatuation, make a promise to Chiara, and even though it may come back to bite him, he felt it was the honorable thing to keep that word. I don't think this means he has turned on Dani, he just didn't do what she would have preferred he do. Even Lisa has not always gone along with Dani's bidding, ie Dani's idea of Lisa going to Roddy and pretending to make a deal, etc. I haven't read anywhere that people are accusing her of betraying Dani. Anyway, just my 2 1/2 cents....