Is BB really so stupid that they didn't realize Lisa's farewell message was a major diss to Gerry?
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Creampuff | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:05 am     Ya' know, Lisa really proved her immaturity to me tonight. Someday when that maturity does kick in she may think back and wonder why she ever said anything like that in that particular situation. Happens to the best of us at times. As for honesty, one does not have to be dishonest but to be honest when you know that you are going to be hurtful is not commendable. There are those though that seem to have a burning desire to lash out under the guise of complete honesty, knowing full well that that is their way of getting revenge. Does she feel fulfillment in having done what she did? She may feel better about it than we do and I do hope that she doesn't lament whatever votes she may lose because of it either. |
Wendo | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:29 am     Just finished watching the show. Dang football! I have to admit, I cringed a bit with what Lisa said to Gerry. I found it rather harsh. They are in a game, and there is such a thing as sportsmanship. Never kick the loser of the game when they're down. |
Snee | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:39 am     dra: [Front closeup] "What I really have to say to you" [Profile view ] "And what I really have to say to Eric" dra, i took it to mean that she was including eric with gerry, and that just didn't make any sense. i'm glad you heard it the way i did though. anyway, it was odd. |
Duchess | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:41 am     I think that Gerry has been the object of Lisa's mirth since the first week. She was the first one to foster the aura that Gerry was the outcast in her DR entry. I really don't get why she never gave the poor guy the benefit of the doubt. To speak to Gerry with such dramatic bitterness over Eric's eviction was just cruel and juvenile. She needs to grow up! |
Sia | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 01:57 am     Serena, you're absolutely right: maybe it's a good thing that Gerry and the rest of the jury saw Lisa's meanness on tonight's show--and I do hope it works against her. Nobody said they had to be "nice." We just expect it, I guess. |
Toolhound | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:19 am     Everone in that house has called Gerry horrible names for weeks and Lisa has the guts to say how she feels about him and that is bad????????? The rest are a bunch of back stabbers that talk nice to his face and that is good???????? No couple out there would not be mad at a person that split them up. |
Braveheart61901 | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:10 am     When I started this thread, my issue wasn't with Lisa but with BB/CBS. Lisa is entitled to say what she pleases, though what she said as a farewell message showed a lack of maturity. What P****s me off is that BB/CBS chose to air it. I can't recall them airing any other negative farewell message this season. Just one more way for the show to "stick it" to Gerry. |
Car54 | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:37 am     When I was posting the show, I noted that ALL of the comments from the HG's were very brief and pointed. I don't think there was more than one sentence at a time from anyone. It made me think that none of them had much good to say and that the producers had to cut a lot and edit it together to make it work. Usually they kinda ramble and go on and on...I think most of them were trying to be polite but did not have much effusive stuff to say. |
Luckhunter777 | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:22 am     Curly - No, absolutely not, my comment I made earlier re:hypocrisy was not aimed at you. Was more general a comment on society, or rather our little capsule of society. I apologize if I miscommunicated. Just for the record it was not my intention to call you anything - Yours was just last the comment I saw that mentioned hypocrisy. My only point was that they are really in a no win situation, as we all are at times. For example at work there are probably people that we care less for, cowoorker, client, boss - whatever. The fact that we have to deal with them every day would cause most people to think twice about being truly honest to their face - wedo this to avoid makeing every contact with them uncomfortable, and we need them for what ever reason. We all have that dream of winning the lotto and going to work one more day - just to tell certain people what you REALLY think of them. That is probably how she saw that chance. Granted she still needs his end vote (which she wouldn't have gotten anyway) but she no longer has to face him daily and was asked to make a statement - that is the statement she chose and we will never know if it was aired in context. I do think it was a bit tactless for CBS to air but it made contraversy - and that is thier goal. I am not really a Lisa Fan and I am not saying that she was right wrong or indifferent. I am one of the silly ones that watches to observe little things like this that is just a picture of society in a petri dish. I think I need more coffee. |
Mack | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 05:45 am     My wife, who is not a big BB3 fan, just happen to join me last night for the eviction. First, she was surprised by my almost rock solid opinion that Gerry was going to get evicted. Her take of the DR clips was that Amy was out. Secondly, she thought Lisa's comments to Gerry was at the least a bit strange. Her take was that Lisa had promised Eric she'd nominate Gerry so that part of her message was basically a "Sorry I didn't do it....but he's out". The message to Gerry was "Sorry I didn't get to nominate you 'cause I wanted to get even". I only put this in as my wife does not follow BB closely so her observations are not particularly colored by watching the live feeds, the TV show, or visiting this site. Once the show was over she felt BB had edited the you-know-what out of the DR clips to string on the audience and that Julie's little "Amy you....." was all planned as part of that editing. While there are a lot of people watching the live feeds or coming here or, heaven forbid, other sites we still represent a small portion of the viewing audience who rely totally on the TV show. |
Mjpinvt | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 07:02 am     I was in tears last night when Gerry was evicted. I fear for him to watch the tapes. He never said a bad thing about anybody in that house. I'm glad Mar is worried about Gerry seeing the tapes. He deserves to be. My take on the Lisa quote is two things... 1) I've lost all respect for the girl. They talked about Amy's revengefullness but she has NOTHING on Lisa! 2) BB keeping her comments in the "goodbye reel", as crappy as it felt at the time, may have been for the better. It gave Gerry a real taste of what he can expect watching what his "wonderful" fellow Hg's said about him behind his back. |
Cmc209 | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 07:17 am     Just a thought - I thought the same thing when I saw the tape last night - that she was making a cheap shot at Gerry and Eric - "I didn't have the pleasure of nominating you this week". A friend who was watching the show with me thought that maybe she said that because she wasn't HOH this week, and she's glad she didn't have to be stuck in the position to nominate either of them.... any thoughts on that? |
Nimtu | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 07:25 am     I have no idea what that comment meant. Both my husband and I thought she made the comment to Gerry and Eric - which seems that it would make no sense if taken in the way that most seem to feel it was meant. Lisa sometimes seems to mangle what she's trying to say. |
Bcandscott | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 07:31 am     I think Lisa was saying that she regretted not being the one to nominate Gerry because she promised Eric she would. She was saying it to BOTH Gerry and Eric to let Eric know she regretted NOT being the one to oust the person who sent him packing. It was a cheap shot, but similar to the one she threw at Chiara on her way out about how she remembered well what she did to her a couple weeks before (voting against her) but she "still loved her". If you notice, the comments to Gerry were cut off very abruptly as if she might have said something else immediately after that was cut off by the producers. She MIGHT have said something like, "however, Gerry, you will be missed and I think you accomplished a lot while you were here..best of luck" whatever. |
Nimtu | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 07:38 am     You know Bc, I realized as soon as I pressed post that I was being pretty stupid (wow, I guess just like the title of the thread). Of course you are right about the meaning and I don't know why I couldn't figure that out before being such an idiot on the board (won't be the last time I'm sure ) |
Crazydog | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 07:44 am     Good for Lisa. She was honest about her feelings, unlike some of the other fake goodbye messages people leave to try to get final votes (I'm looking at you Danielle). I haven't gone through this whole thread but for some *odd* reason I have a feeling it's very anti-Lisa and a sobfest for Gerry. In case it hasn't been said, remember that Lisa doesn't know that Eric has forgiven her. She wanted to send a message to him that she tried to do him right. Gerry was the one to have broken up her and Eric. He was out to break up the couples, but there were a number of ways he could have done that. He could have nominated one from each pair, but he chose the combination that was the most hurtful to Eric and Lisa. She had every right to feel hurt by that and I am glad that she was forthright in her message to him. |
Bcandscott | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 07:48 am     Crazydog, I think she had every right to say basically what she said, but I DO think she probably said something AFTER her comments that were aired that the producers CUT which isn't very fair to her. Again, she made sure Chiara KNEW why she voted her out, but told her that she still "loved her" in her goodbye message. It would seem logical that she might well have done the same with Gerry but the producers cut it short making her seem more vindictive than she really is. |
Crazydog | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:11 am     OK, now I've gone and read all the messages in this thread. There have been negative goodbyes - Amy in particular said she told Tonya goodbye in ten different languages, Lisa and Chiara were upset they could only come up with seven - that have not aired. There have been some that were a little less positive - I remember Krista telling Kent that he turned on her and Monica telling Kent that he didn't trust her. For those of you saying that Lisa could have voted Eric back in, Eric might never have needed to get voted back in had Gerry not done what he did. Her vengeance was the result of a promise to Eric, and I believe the only reason why it aired was because they wanted to show us (and Eric) that she was doing so. It made for "good TV". Since Gerry was so conscious of "good TV" all the time, with his constant characterization of things as such, he of all people should understand that. I agree BC that things were probably edited out of Lisa's message to make for that "good TV". Not fair to Lisa. Now there are hordes of people hating her because she dissed everyone's favorite socially inept hygienically challenged houseguest. |
Thefan | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:16 am     Lisa has issues with Gerry that go beyond the show. My theory is that he reminds her of someone in her life that did not treat her well, probably in her childhood. Several times it has been talked about on this board that Lisa fits the profile of an abused child. I believe this and feel she projects her pain onto Gerry. Gerry did nothing wrong in their relationship, but she can not disassociate herself from her feelings. I don't think it was fair of BB to air those comments from Lisa when they have never done negative comments before. I believe the whole editing of Gerry has been biased. I think Roddie and Jason did mean some of the things they said. Danielle and Amy, of course no one believes. I don't even remember what Marc said. To sum it up though, once again Gerry was treated unfairly by his former HG's and by CBS. |
Shyguy | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:06 am     I wonder if anyone else will agree with me on this. BB has tainted the game. By showing Gerry Lisa's negative comment and not doing the same for any other evictee, they have most likely guaranteed that there's no way in "oh my heck" that Gerry will vote to give Lisa the money should she make it to the final two. Trust me, I am not a big fan of Lisa's, but, fair is fair. None of the other remaining hgs have been given this handicap. BB has crossed the line on this one. |
Crazydog | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:13 am     I don't necessarily agree. Gerry has a computer. Within the next month he is going to see that Marc, Dani and Amy were much worse to him than Lisa ever was. Gerry would vote for Roddy or Jason over any of those four, but he would have done so regardless because he got along with them much better than he did the rest. I don't think Lisa's comment will affect her should she happen to get to the finals. |
Jasper | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:41 am     I'm sure that Gerry's family has been faithfully taping the show and will fill him in on all that has been said live and live on the feeds behind his back. Last night, along with Lisa's petty little remark, which they could have cut, everyone else did not get good byes from everyone, they aired Marcellus, as usual knocking him, saying they should have made the show about esthetics(sp?) then he (Gerry) definitely would have been first to go. Unneccessary on CBS's part, obviously they have been fostering these bad feelings all along, who knows what little seeds they plant with the houseguests in the diary room. Even Julie seemed to be trying to get Gerry to say....something...she seemed to be dancing around something in her interview and looking for a reaction. Kudos to him for not even batting an eye at the message from Lisa. |
Jasper | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:45 am     PS/ Yes Lisa is entitled to her opinion...but did CBS have to be cruel enough to throw it in his face? Especially since they know he;ll be slapped in the face by all the crap soon enough. They all just seem unneccessarily cruel, yes it's a game, yes there is going to be lying, backstabbing etc., but there really is no need for the level of viciousness and glee for that matter that these people exhibit while raking Gerry over the coals. Even now after he's gone I'm sure they will still go on and on about him, it seems to be the only thing they have in common. |
Gina8642 | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:55 am     Lisa was just being honest. She said what she thinks. Unlike Dani who was completely two faced toward Gerry in her comments. |
Rose_City | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:58 am     Well said, Jasper (and everyone here!) My husband and I were appalled by both Lisa's comments and Marcellas's crude, disrespectful comments. They turned our stomachs and I feel terrible for Gerry, his family and friends, too. While watching, I felt as angry as Elmer Fudd after he again has been duped by "that cwayzy wabbit." Grrr. |
Silversamba | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:11 am     And if anyone thinks that the hgs that are out might feel for Gerry, too, that might not be so. I read an chat transcript with Eric and when asked about how he felt about the way Gerry was treated in the house, Eric's response was that Gerry deserved everything he got. |
Bmh | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:14 am     They were all two-faced in their comments towards Gerry..Lisa was being brutalily honest and I respect that more than lying and trying to look good |
Allietex | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:56 am     So if Gerry had not nominated Eric and Lisa he would have nominated someone else. If one of them had remained would they have had the right to say something negative on his way out. If Roddy gets evicted should Amy dis him. If Jason gets evicted should Amy dis him? Why do so many people think Lisa and Eric were entitled to a by just because they were a couple? That does not make sense. And even if Gerry had nominated one from each couple someone would still have been broken up. Other people have seen people go that nominated them and did not act like that. And Lisa needs to remember that while Gerry voted Eric out he saved her. Her actions were immature and selfish. I wonder how she would feel if she leaves before Marc and he blasts her for nominating him the first week. I bet she would be all indignant and whine that he shouldn't be so mean. And that was not being honest. Being honest would have been confronting him face to face and then declining to leave a message. She was too cowardly to do that. It was the easy way to bash him just one more time when he could not defend himself. |
Beegee | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:20 pm     Somebody please help me. I missed last night's show. What exactly did Lisa say? And who's tapes did they show saying nice things? Finally, who walked Gerry to the door? I'm sorry to be asking these elementary questions, but I'm so upset I missed the show and I feel so bad for poor Gerry as I read these posts. |
Kitt | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:36 pm     What she actually said was (courtesy of Curlyq who quoted it above): "What I really have to say to you...and what I really have to say to Eric...is that I'm sorry...that I didn't have the pleasure of putting you up this week." I think we should give BB the benefit of the doubt. We're all confused about what it means so they probably were too, and as she says it to Eric and Gerry, it's possible they thought it was a good thing. The only sense we could make of it last night was that she meant this coming week, and she was saying she wished both were still there so it would be possible to nominate them. And as for Lisa, if what she said did have a less than kind meaning, I bet she's not the only one to say something negative this week or any other. It's just that this time BB chose to show it. |
Curiouscat | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:58 pm     Shyguy, I agree with you. I posted the same thoughts last night in this thread, and am surprised only you and I have written of it, because I really do think BB has tainted the game, as you put it: Curiouscat Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 06:22 pm It seems like BB loaded a vote against Lisa if she's one of the final two by showing that to Gerry. How many other evicted houseguests would think twice about who they'd vote for in the end if they were shown the negative farewell messages also?!? |
Marameko | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 03:36 pm     Bravo, Bravo Allietex..........someone has to go each week. They ALL knew that from jump street.Lisa was rude and I hope it bites her in the behind later.......I do want her to win. |
Pamy | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 05:30 pm     <Lisa was rude, hope it bites her in the behind later>....it's happened before, let's hope it happens to the other cheek this time!
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Ginger | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 05:53 pm     Allietex! Yes, yes, yes! I agree completely. I was starting to (somewhat) like Lisa until last night. What a creep she (again) proved herself to be. Why on earth do these people think they are entitled to NOT be nominated is beyond me. ESPECIALLY by people such as Gerry, whom they have been mean to all along. Lisa has a lot of growing up to do (which she has in common with many of the HGs!). As for BB's decision to air her comments, I too thought it a bad one. Though many folks have surely said not-so-nice things in the DR during those farewell tapes, they have not aired them. Poor Gerry is in for a very difficult few weeks, as the news that all these people despise him sinks in--people, I might add, about which he has had nothing but good things to say. Why did BB not let him have this one moment of positive affirmations from his fellow HGs? EVEN if they were being rather dishonest given what they've all said behind Gerry's back? I understand the value of honesty, but only when one is honest with integrity. That is, directly to the person about which one is being honest. I think that Gerry would benefit from hearing both the good and the bad from his peers. Why not let him have a shower of good on live television after he's been booted? My heart hurts for him. He may not be perfect. He may be annoying, and self-congratulatory, and not much of a hand washer, but for goodness sakes can anyone deny that he is essentially A NICE GUY? |
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