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Earthmother

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 09:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd give him one hell of a going away party..We'd go in the kitchen and cook up all the food, while periodically scratching our butts. They would have to go on a self induced pb&j diet tomorrow...

Allietex

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 09:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think next year that BB should not cast anyone under 40 for this show. After all it might be uncomfortable to listen to all the filthy talk the young ones do and all that skin showing might make them feel sexually harrassed. That could all be avoided if only BB just doesn't put any of those horrible twenty and thirty year olds on the show.

Lucas

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 09:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Do you really think they are bashing Gerry because of his age...or just because it is Gerry...I am not convinced it is his age, many things said about him over the past few months talk about his behaviour...not JUST his age..

Lombadier

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 09:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gbr, was that guy's nickname Nasty Nick (from UK BB)? I thought he was caught cheating as well? Also, from what I've heard, BB is THE big reality show in Britain, instead of Survivor.

Draheid

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 10:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
FWIW - Lombadier there is so much more audience participation in the UK including perks like BB news on your cellphone and such, it's no wonder the show is more popular ... we won't mention the 'shagging' factor!
[edited to add] And the schemes of the show, like the splitting the house into 'Rich/Poor' seperated by bars down the middle of the house. I wish they'd bring some of those types of challenges to this show. Would be much more interesting, IMHO.

Hosewater

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 10:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it was Lisa who said it best at the very beginning of their stay in the BB house... She commented on the "age gap" between Gerry and all the others.

His behavior is of an age. He just doesn't talk, act, think, or behave like these 20-somethings.

Gbr

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 10:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nasty Nick Yep that was him, he made it to America then ???? LOL

BB is REALLY BIG over there, they don't have Survivor, they had Castaway that lasted 1 whole year (more of a social experiment than a reality show, left on a island etc etc)....

I left 4 years ago so I haven't personally seen what shows are on, but BB IS BIG.

Gbr

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 10:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd like to see Shapiro have the balls to do more in BB4 like in the UK (eg games and segregation etc) instead of the nasty editing. It would be much more appealing and I think it would attract a larger audience if they allowed the US public more of a say just like Draheid said, it rains all the time (well not ALL the time but enough to keep them inside a lot) hence the shagging factor.

Saggkl

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 10:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They are bashing Gerry because Marcellas started it and they all jumped on the bandwagon. Its called I want to be one of the cool ones, therefore I have to find someone to put down so I can be superior. I don't know what kind of contract that poor man signed but it sure sounds like defamation of character to me.Pedophile a terrible label to put on someone just to be with the innies

Maris

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 10:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sagg, FYI, Marcellas did not start it. Danni started it with the handwashing, then she moved on to his washing his underwear in the sink and finished it with his wiping his hands under hs underarms. Danni planted the seeds with the germophobe and that is all that needed to be done. Marcellas would never have noticed that stuff on his own because he is too self involved.

Just like now she is starting in on Amy, little things about her gaining weight, etc. just watch.

Allietex

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 10:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Someone has said that the guests haven't been any worse this year and Gerry hasn't been treated any worse. One thing thought that I have not seen in any BB or other reality show is how he has been isolated. I have seen kids in school like that, completely ostricized by their peers. It is so sad and I hurt so for them. And I have not heard people sit around and wish someone was dead and provide graphic details of how they wish it would happen. Gerry's behavior has been no worse than anyone else's and not nearly as bad as some. Gerry is guilty of being old enough to be their father. I think they see him as a wet blanket on their party. The hygene thing, the butting into conversations, the boring talk, everyone of them has done the same thing. They just got down on Gerry and nothing he could do was acceptable. The talk by the girls about his leering and sexual harrassment behavior is patently absurd. He could claim the same thing because of the way they have talked in front of him. What if he started talking about how uncomfortable they made him with their graphic sex talk. Their answer would be well leave the room. Why doesn't Gerry have the same rights. And btw I have been disappointed with Roddy and Jason. While they have not participated in the worst bashing, they have been present several times while it was going on. The looks on their faces reveal that they don't think it is right but they have not objected at all or in a couple of cases only mild objection. Abraham Lincoln said "To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men."

Whit4you

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 10:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What is so amazing to me - is the fact that these people talked about things even *I* and I'm very very open minded - was shocked about. I have no doubts if some of the conversations they had made me feel uncomfortable that they definately made Gerry feel uncomfortable. These girls sit around talking for example about a guy not choking on the string during oral sex in front of other houseguest - and the entire world yet are 'uncomfortable' with Gerry singing a song that's been around forever and was a huge hit at one time. "You like it, you like it on top' it's a song I've heard dozens of times at the nightclubs over the years.

The truth and reality about all this is these guys have made this entire show about sex/ sexuality from day one - and anytime Gerry opens his mouth to be a part of the group in any way it's 'perverted' - Mel Gibson is about the same ages as Gerry - wonder if Mel Gibson walked in that house - and said and did everything that Gerry has said and done that had any sexual connotations in any way - how these girls would act/ react lol. They'd be all over Mel I have a feeling - :) People can say what they want about the 'age' thing but I don't think it's about that at all - I think because THEY find him so physically unattractive THEY will not accept him saying or implying anything with sexual connotations.

Lisa has some serious issues I believe - she goes to extremes to be looked at in a sexual way - I've watched her preparing for the live shows and so on - she keeps pulling down her hip huggers and up her shirt...(she even does this AS the show progresses) When I was her age I did the same thing (wouldnt have done it so obviously but...I did do the same thing ie wanting to look hot...making sure you know my cleavage showed and my jeans were tighttttt etc) The thing is I never ever took offense to any guy noticing - what I was going out of my way to get noticed for. Regardless of their age or their look. It was always a compliment to me :) My guess is that Lisa has had some issues in her past with an older male and that's what's causing this. Either that or she's just plain strange (remember here freaking out over the "hi" LOL)

Amy on the other hand - her comments were pathetic - Gerry was giving her a nice compliment. I can't remember how many times someone said "You look great without makeup on" I can't ever imagine me using that AGAINST the person. Shame on her - but it's par for the course for Amy - she is after all so much better then everyone else.

Sia

Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 11:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Reading this thread, a couple of things occurred to me: we're all raised very differently and need to realize that we all have different expectations. We aren't at all freaked-out at my house over nudity or walking into the bathroom on a family member. My husband and I and our two young children can take baths/showers together with no discussion or comment. It's just no big deal. We freely dress in front of each other. My cousin has said to me that my son will go to school this fall and say to a classmate, "What? You mean your parents WEAR clothes?" Now, my Mom was not so free. If I'd walk in on her in the tub, she'd grab a towel and try to cover her hound-dog's-ears-with-raisins-on-the-ends and shriek at me to close the door! LOL The freedom to dress in front of other people and to walk into a bathroom while it's in use extends beyond my nuclear family, too. I can walk in on my sister, her kids, my Mom, Dad, my cousins, aunts, etc. Not a big deal here. And we're not a family of beautiful hardbodies, either. It's not like we're exhibitionists is what I'm sayin'.

Regarding the issue of knocking on the bathroom door before entering it just strikes me as absurd. If the HoH room had its own tiny private bathroom, I could see a need or reason for knocking. The only bathroom in the hamsters' house is a huge, communal bathroom. Nobody in any dormitory I ever lived in ever knocked on the door before waltzing in! That's because a communal bathroom is just that: a common area for people to perform their normal bathroom routines. It's open to everyone at all times. If someone needs total privacy to attend to a grooming matter that can't be performed in front of others (oh, let's not get toooooo graphic), that person might want to announce his/her need for privacy, take care of the problem and then get outta the bathroom. It does strike me odd that the BB bathroom has its own sitting-room area. The design of the bathroom seems to invite visiting there.

Mrs_Taz

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just got through reading these posts and figured I'd put in my two cents.
-Dani said her father would fit right in, I'm quite sure he would have loved being in the house with Kiki and her talks.
-Josh smacking butts was not sexual harrassment but Gerry's comments are. Good thing it wasn't him doing the smacking!

These are two things that come to mind. I am not a Gerry fan but no one deserves to be treated the way he has been. I wish they would take each one of them into a room a let them see themselves in a few of their bashing sessions. It is interesting how they felt that how Josh treated Gerry was so bad. I wonder how they would feel if the bashing was about them. The only nice thing they have done for Gerry is pool the money for an anniversary present. At least when he looks at the tree he will have one positive thing to remember about them, to bad it couldn't be more.

Bigbrotherbelle

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 12:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, this may or may not shed some light on the issue, but this is how I feel about the whole Gerry is a pervert thing. In these times, we are taught as children how wrong it is for old/older men to look at you in a sexual manner. Gerry is 2 years older than my father. I am 22, it wasn't that long ago that it was considered sick for someone Gerry's age to look at me in a sexual manner. However, even at the age of 16 or 17, I was used to males my age being sexually attracted to me. I have been approached by VERY older men (which to me is late 40s or early 50s) when out and it does make me feel a little weird. I am just not used to that being deemed OK. While I would not gossip about it on national TV, some of the things that Gerry does would make me feel funny. As I said, I am not used to that being ok. However, I am accustomed to crude or suggestive jokes from male peers. Now, I'm not saying that they have a right to put that "out there in the universe," BUT I can see where they are coming from, and just wanted to share my perspective.

Allietex

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 01:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Belle, I see your perspective, but you have enough intellegence to understand that the feelings you have are your issue not the men who may make you uncomfortable. The people in the house have no such intelligence so in their eyes it must be Gerry's fault.

My best friend married her husband who was 17 years older than her when she was 15. They were happily married for 38 years before he died. She still mourns for him. If a girl is uncomfortable with attention from a man who is older than her, that is her issue not his. His age should not be a factor. If she is uncomfortable tell him so and ask him to cool it before accusing him of inappropriate behavior. That is a very serious charge.

Lipservice

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 04:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The basic thrust of this thread seems to be "the houseguests have nothing to complain about". I couldn't disagree more.

People who behave in a slovenly, boorish manner in the company of strangers, as Gerry has, are expressing their CONTEMPT for others. Having to live in the company of such a man gives the HG's every right to verbally express their CONTEMPT for him.

Sexual banter between people who have a mutual attraction is part of the mating dance - and sometimes it appears vulgar, or inviting, to those only observing. Someone trying to "join in" without being part of the dynamic is the same as having somebody say they want to make-out with you because they saw you give your honey a kiss - where do they get off thinking they can just be part of whatever is going on between you two?

Younger women rejecting older men as mating partners - unless they have some signs of virility or attractiveness that would make them good breeding partners - is simple instinct. And yes, we exalted animals can over come our instincts - if the old, ugly guy behaves in an attractive way. Obviously Gerry hasn't.

The idea that the HG's are being unreasonable in their criticism seems off-base to me. Most people observe several instances of something they don't like before they express their disgust, or anger. After 6 weeks in the house I have to wonder how many times they were grossed out, and subconsciously felt Gerry's contempt, before they decided to vent? And before anyone comes to Gerry's defense by saying he has a right to have contempt for THEM, let me point out he came to the house in his slovenly condition with his piggish behavior as part of the package he presented. He could have won them over, but obviously didn't.

I trust the HG's reactions as participants over our interpretaions as observers.

Earthmother

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 06:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There is a difference between his (piggish, as someone called it) behavior and morality. We have all seen some pretty gross hygenic behaviors from all of them which includes, sitting on food areas, picking zits and talking or with your mouth full or chewing with it open, graphic sexual convos, etc. are these things immoral?

IMO slandering someone with words like pedifile, bad mother, wh**e, and other comments which assisinate someone's character are immoral, because they denote what a person is.

In the context of the game do I think they have a right to be petty and childish, lie to each other about who said what, or manipulate for the vote? YES .. Do I think they should do it immorally? NO!!

Making public allegations about someone without proof is just as bad as someone who is truly perpetrating an immoral act.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 06:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with Mother on this one - a simple "I don't like him" would suffice. I'm sure there's plenty of goings on in the house Gerry finds offensive or repulsive, but I have not heard him utter a seriously unfounded or derrogatory word toward the other HG's. And if it were that big a deal to him, I'm pretty sure he would handle it by going directly to the source rather than launch a character assassination designed only to go out into the universe for very public character assassination purposes. There's no excuse for it.

Jasper

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whoa, very harsh.
IMHO - Gerry make look "slovenly" (I prefer unkempt) only because of the weight issue and the oversize baggy clothes that he wears to try and camoflouage(sp?) his belly. He has really tried to shape up while he is in there and I think he deserves a round of applause, an hour on one of those elliptical machines when you have never worked out before is rough.

As for "piggyish", my goodness, all over one not washing the hands instance, and like someone said, no one could see if he washed them in the kitchen before making the salad. From there everything he has done has been way over done, no one complained about Roddy's snotty nose when he was cooking!

My point is everyone has some crappy habit that someone is going to hate. This bunch just dislikes Gerry, period. Had he been younger, and more attractive, I'm sure Danni, who was in the shower and saw the whole hand washing debacle would have yelled out joking hey buddy aren't you gonna wash those hands.

I think these people are all just petty, acting like their in highschool hanging around at their lockers dissing people.

Cajunrambler

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddessatlaw,

If, in the event, Gerry would lose his job as a teacher, due to the perception of him being a pedophile, can he sue the HGs, AS and CBS for slander and defamation of character? His employment and character can be severely damaged as a result of their charges.

Unsupported allegations of this nature, even in the context of a game, can lead to serious problems.

Mollywood

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
they should just shut up, and get him out of the house..whats the point of constantly putting him down, its not like someone doesnt know how the others feel..i watch the feeds..he seems creepy to me..but no more than anyone else who met their wife on a nude beach..

Jasper

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cajunrambler - I certainly hope so!

The guy is just going to be crushed when he sees what his "friends" have said about him.

He seems to genuinely care for Danni and Marcellus

Mollywood

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe its just me, but i dont consider a man who makes eye contact, even in a sexual way with grown women, who talk about sex openly and wear almost no clothes and have openly had some kind of sex with guys they just met in the house..i dont consider that a pedophile..these arent kids...these are grown women who put themselves in this house

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cajun - I have no answer to that - their contracts are a thick as Bibles and I don't know what's in them. I would find it odd, however, if they did not include waivers for this type of behavior. If the houseguests had to worry about getting sued for everything coming out of their mouths, they wouldn't say much at all. My suspicion is they've waived all claims of liability against the show and each other on allegations of slander.