How is Roddy secure for final 2?
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How is Roddy secure for final 2?
Yuhuru | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:00 am     Please help me. I must not be getting something. So many are saying that Roddy secured a spot in final two. How are you so sure? There are still 7 people left. |
Yuhuru | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:45 am     So, no one wants to answer this question. That's too bad. I would really like someone to explain it to me, seriously. |
Yuhuru | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:58 am     Anybody? |
Yuhuru | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:59 am     Yeah I know this is pathetic, but I gotta have somebaody explain it to me |
Yuhuru | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:01 am     Aw, c'mon |
Keiffer | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:05 am     Yuhuru... You might be new to the board or something but the answer is very simple. A large number of people on this board have decided that they have two opnions of Roddy. One is they dislike him, the other is that they hate him. What this means is that anytime something bad isn't happening to him then the game MUST be going his way, and now he has a clear shot at winning. It started some time back, but really started going when he was put up against Josh, and everyone thought if they didn't vote him out that the HG's were handing him the money. It continued last week with his nommination against Chiara. People seem to forget that Roddy must not be that great at the game if they look at apart from the hate of him. In the last three weeks he has lost Eric, Josh, and then Chiara. His three closest allies all gone 1,2,3. At this point he has not one person in there that will ever veto him, or vote for him to stay if he is put up again. You are right I do not see how with 7 people left that a guy that has been targeted as the biggest threat in the game can make it that much further. I think that people just like to have immidiate satisfaction, and having to patient for a week or two to get what they want drives them so nuts that they become gloom and doomers. |
Car54 | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:06 am     Yuhuru, I have no idea of the answer, but I feel bad that no one answered you! Sunday morning is a slow time...give people who stayed up all night talking about the show a chance to wake up and come reading! |
Secretsmile | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:12 am     Roddy winning the game isn't a sure thing. It's just that he's playing so well, other houseguests recognize it. |
Bohawkins | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:12 am     On the next Head of Household contest Roddy may compete furiously. It might be one where he could use his intelligence. If he wins this one he could put up Danielle and Lisa and eliminate one of his threats. He now owns Jason's soul. He has Gerry (my guess is Amy will go) and Marcellas in his pocket. Looks like Roddy has a chance. |
Kmjm | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:18 am     I'm not so sure that Roddy has Gerry in his pocket. So far, he is the only one who has had the guts to openly go after Roddy's allies. Gerry makes up his own mind- that's one of the reasons the others want him gone. |
Spygirl | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:40 am     I think Gerry will go this week, leaving Amy, Danielle, Jason, Marsellas, Roddy, and Lisa. Of those...only Lisa would nominate Roddy, IMO. She appears to be the only who not influenced by Roddy or afraid to do what needs to be done. Danielle has too many deals on the table to win HoH, so she'll continue to throw them. Therefore, she can't nominate Roddy. And her influence in this game has dwindled significantly -- she couldn't influence Amy's choice on who to vote out and she couldn't even influence her best-alliance-buddy Jason's choice on who to nominate. Amy doesn't appear to recognize Roddy for the threat that he is or else she would have listened to the BILLION conversations last week where people tried to convince her to get rid of him instead of Chiara. She let her own dislike for Chiara overcome the desire to win the game and eliminate a true competitor. Marsellas, while recognizing that Roddy uses his body to influence Marsellas, is still influenced by Roddy. They have formed such a bond that I do not think he'd nominate him anymore. And Jason. Well, Jason had his shot already. In fact, he'll have two shots to nominate Roddy. If he doesn't use the veto tomorrow and nominate Roddy, then there is virtually no chance that he would nominate Roddy if given yet another chance. That is why I believe Roddy has secured at least the final 3. |
Spunky | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:45 am     Easy!!! The Six Pack (formed again) in the Jury will likely vote for him and not for Danielle, should these two be in the finals. Roddy has lost friends in the house but they'll be back in the Jury and voila'. (It's better to have more friends than a few like Danielle has). Oh, but your question was why would Roddy make it to the Finals??? Oh well, that... I'm not too sure he will... |
Wcv63 | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:47 am     I guess we all feel that Roddy is dangerous because of the way he has of manipulating the houseguests emotionally. I understand that the show last night highlighted his abilities in that field. They are scared of him (and so am I) because of his "powers of persuasion". I don't know why or how he works. All I know is I have seen people rapidly falling under his spell. |
Kminfinity | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:48 am     Bottom line Yuhuru ~~~ If ya ain't nominated, ya can't be evicted. Very few people want to risk nominating Roddy AND HAVING TO FACE HIM if/when he isn't evicted. I think that plays into Jason's thinking as well. He couldn't be sure that, if he put Roddy up, Roddy would actually go. |
Weinermr | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:56 am     Jason, could take each HG into HOH and make a deal with each one - "I will veto someone and nominate Roddy if you agree to vote to evict him." Danielle would agree, Lisa would agree, and Marcellus might agree if Jason vetoes Gerry and Marcellus has to choose between Roddy and Amy. If the vote is tied, Jason can break it by voting Roddy out. Will he do it? I doubt it. But it is a sure way to get Roddy out NOW. |
Spunky | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:02 am     It's his "staying power", the longer he survives nominations the stronger he gets and the more he's feared... That's the Saddam Hussein syndrome... |
Theo17 | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:05 am     only 4 evictions to go after this week and he says danni cant nominate him so odds are in his favor. He thinks he has a deal with marcy and jason so that helps also. So if you have 5 people left other than yourself and you think you have a deal with 3 of the 5 left and theres only 4 evictions to go then you have the odds stacked high in your favor. |
Maryk | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:11 am     Keiffer, I agree with you again! He may have a lot of votes for him if he reaches the final 2 but I just don't see how he can survive that long, as his allies are now all on the jury. Last night even Marcellas and Amy have said that he and Danni are next so that the "underdogs" will get a chance. Danni and Lisa are already gunning for him. |
Jaysgal | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:14 am     Yuhuru, it is not a sure deal, but it is an increased probability. Here's a scenario I made where Roddy would not make it to the end most likely: Jason strikes a deal with Gerry (i.e., not to nominate Jason should Gerry ever be the HOH and to use POV if he had the privilege to save Jason). Jason then puts up Marcellas. Marcellas has made enough enemies. He's voted out. Then Amy wins HOH. She puts up Lisa and Danielle or Jason and Danielle. Danielle goes. If she puts up Gerry and Danielle, the story may go differently. Or say Gerry wins HOH, he puts up Lisa and Danielle. Danielle goes. And then Lisa wins HOH. She strikes a deal with Gerry not to use POV and to vote out Roddy. She puts up Amy and Roddy. There's a tie (because Jason may not break his word). And then Lisa breaks the tie by evicting Roddy. And then there's Gerry, Lisa, Amy and Jason left. Gerry wins HOH and puts up Amy and Lisa. Jason votes out Amy. He would have made a deal with Gerry by now, especially for sparing Gerry. Or maybe Jason wins HOH. He puts up Lisa and Amy. Amy goes with ORD agreement. Then it's Jason, Lisa, and Gerry left. Either way the game goes, Jason will still be in the game if he makes a pact with Gerry. Second scenario, say Jason does not spare Gerry. Gerry goes. Marcellas wins HOH. He puts up Danielle and Lisa. Danielle goes. He's said he won't, but I don't think that he means it. Amy wins HOH, she puts up Danielle and Lisa or Danielle and Jason. Danielle goes. Then there's Marcellas, Jason, Roddy, Amy and Lisa. Lisa wins HOH. She puts up Roddy and Amy. Marcellas votes to evict Roddy. Jason votes to evict Amy. Lisa breaks the tie and evicts Roddy. Then there's Marcellas, Jason, Lisa and Amy. Jason wins HOH. He puts up Amy and Marcellas. Amy goes The final three then are Jason, Marcellas and Lisa. It seems to me that Jason has a better chance with striking a deal with Gerry and keeping him than he does with Marcellas staying. Anyway, there's still chance for Roddy to leave if what people are saying is true that he isn't going to win HOH because he's decided to throw off competitions. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:16 am     Spunky yes! The Saddam Syndrome! How apropos! |
Sbw | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:31 am     If they get rid of Gerry, I think there is a good chance he may suceed and go to the final 2. Gerry is the only person with the guts it would take to put up Roddy and Dani. I think getting rid of Gerry, Roddy or Dani right now will make this a much more boring game, conversations between Marc and Amy might still be fun but a lot of the game will be over. Right now IMO the strongest players are Dani, Roddy, Gerry, followed by Lisa and then the rest of the group coming in playing when it is convenient. I would like to see the non-players go and the players stay and fight it out at the end. |
Jaysgal | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:37 am     Another scenario: Say Roddy has learned a lot and decided to win the next HOH. Well, he can then put up Danielle and Lisa. He doesn't owe either of them to the best of my recollection. He can tell Lisa that she's a decoy. And then Danielle is evicted. That leaves Marcellas, Amy, Jason, Lisa and Roddy. Lisa or Amy get the HOH title. Amy puts up Jason and Roddy or Lisa and Roddy. Marcellas votes to evict Roddy. Or Lisa wins and puts up Roddy and Amy or Roddy and Marcellas. Marcellas votes to evict Roddy. Or Amy votes to evict Roddy. That leaves Lisa, Amy, Marcellas and Jason. Jason and Lisa against Amy and Marcellas. I beg to differ, Sbw. Lisa has just as much guts. When she allows her logic do the job instead of loyalty, she is the most likely to get Roddy out. |
Keiffer | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:42 am     Hey I get that people on here do not want Roddy to win the game. Because of that they take anything he says and they put as evil a spin on it as they can. He crys and he is ating. He is nice to a person and he is manipulationg. He doesnt talk Chiara into putting up Jason (which she should have), and he is acting again. He talks about things other than movies or other pop culture and he is talking down to people. I can understand those types of spins because a person would rather a different person to win, but to compare him to Sadam? Come people this is a TV show that perhaps isn't that important. Surly a comparison like that is a bit unfair. As for people thinking he has a empty road to the finals I still maintain that unless Danny makes a serious error she has the easiest road to the finals. No way Marcy, Jason, or Lisa put her up. She doesnt have to guess, and doesnt have to plott to ge that. Only Roddy or Amy would do that. In my view Roddy is in danger of being put up no matter who wins HoH next week. |
Justshirley | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 10:07 am     Quote:Jason, could take each HG into HOH and make a deal with each one - "I will veto someone and nominate Roddy if you agree to vote to evict him."
Weinermr, THAT is brilliant!! PLEASE let this be Jason's plan! It's absolutely foolproof. He would even get a unanimous eviction of Roddy if he vetoed Gerry. Gerry would agree to vote however Jason wanted if he'll just take him off the block. Marc would vote Roddy out over Amy. Danielle? No question. I think Lisa would go with the flow. Jason was fully ready to do the difficult thing and vote out Roddy last week, right up until Danielle uttered that fateful word: "opposite." Jason is well aware of Danielle's ridiculous agreement with Roddy not to nominate him if she wins HoH, and he knows that he, himself, can't win HoH next week. I think Jason is smart enough to realize that he will never again have a chance like this. He knew that, with nominations, there was still the veto variable. Now that he controls not only the veto, but the power to name the replacement, as well as the ultimate tie-break authority, I think he will do what has to be done. Oh, gosh -- I HOPE he does. Weinermr, you just made my day! My heart is now filled with hope for our golden boy, Jason. Be strong, Jason, be strong. Repeat after me: "It's a game, it's a game, it's a game." |
Allietex | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 10:29 am     Did I imagine it or did not Roddy tell Jason in their pre-nomination HOH talk that he could not nominate Dani because they had an agreement not to nominate each other. I remember that when Jason reported that conversation to Dani she seemed surprised and said something like. "Oh you mean he acknowledged it?" Tell me if I imagined this. |
Wrat1010 | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 10:39 am     Roddy's security is based on the assumption that everyone will be keeping their word and that no one will want to do the dirty work for those people who made the deals and won't break them. That's why he doesn't like wild cards like Amy and Lisa who aren't making deals. I think if he wins HOH he will nominate those two. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 10:50 am     Keiffer...I think perhaps you are reading the post about Saddam literally instead of figuratively. He was not compared to Saddam personally but rather that his presence in the house (while he amasses weapons of destruction per everyone else's strategy) and left unchecked is dangerous to the houseguests chances of winning is similar in nature. I sure don't like Mr. Roddy but would never call him a world terrorist....more like a BB house terrorist!! LOL /-2{Laugh! It was a joke} Okay, a game threat to the others. Occassionally hyperbole and overexaggeration to make a point affects the best of us! |
Sbw | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 10:50 am     Allie, I think that agreement was made when Roddy was HOH. He would not nominate her that time and when she got HOH she would not nominate him. I think she had hoped that he had forgotten it. Jaysgal, if Lisa would play with her head and not her heart, but that hasn't really come out so far, she has talked it, but she hasn't done it. That is the reason I left Lisa just below the others, I think there is hope for her. Keiffer, I don't care if Roddy wins. I am not really sure I care who wins but I just want to see them playing the game. I don't mean hateful crap like this group unfortunately seems to be capable of (and it seems like that is more in the non-players), but just down in the trenches playing. FWIW... I think Dani had a great idea about making deals, but unfortunately her deal making has her tied up. |
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