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Wrat1010

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Lisa wins veto and vetos Roddy's nomination, then Marcellas would have to choose between Danielle and Amy as to who he prefer stays in the game. Because Marcellas would have no choice but to put up Danielle or Jason. If he puts up Danielle, the "traitor" Lisa and Roddy would vote out Danielle; if he puts up Jason, Roddy's promise to watch Jason's back means that Amy is history.

But that would be an opportunity to get rid of the strongest player, Danielle.

Fruitbat

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Somehow I think Lisa will stay with Danielle. She is a good bet to win a jury vote against anyone remaining and I think she knows this. Rocking the boat at this point, could cost her votes.

Jagger

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The only thing that can save Roddy at this point is if someone saves him with the veto, either by vetoing him or Amy. If things stay how they are both Jason and Danny have given each other their word to evict Roddy, so he is gone. Come on someone win veto and save Roddy, we need several more weeks of good entertainment and strategy talks.

Letmeinthere

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa told Marc that Roddy is working her over. I don't think she'll bend. I strongly doubt she wants an enemy in Dani right now. Rod might persuede Jason to vote for Amy.

IF that happens and Jason goes against Dani/Lisa he knows that if M/L or D gets HoH that he's history.

POV won't be used, Amy won't save Roddy and Roddy won't save Amy.
I think Roddy is gonna go this week 2-1 vote.

Theo17

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think he is going 3-0. danni is a lock. I think lisa and jason will stay strong if they realize they will only have 3 more evictions

Fabnsab

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't understand why so many people here are so sure that Dani will drop Jason. She has never done anything to warrant that, I believe. She has kept him off the block when Amy was HOH, she always reports back to him. She respected his wishes and didn't speak to him about voting out Roddy the one week and didn't try to bully him into nominating him. Whenever she is in the diary room, every week she counts down... 6 gone, 4 to go,5 gone, 5 to go, etc...When doing the math, it is always ten people she wants out which leaves two people left- her and Jason. She has been and will continue to be loyal to him.

Bmh

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Fab..Danielle has been so loyal to Jason that it is amazing she has protected that kid alot..When Amy was thinking of putting up Jason..Danielle talked her out of it..She protects that kid and believe it or not would rather go to the final 2 with him than anyother person..She said if she cant win she wants Jason to..she was very sincere in her words..and hasn't shown even once that she doesn't trust Jason..has always been on his side..I am confident in saying that Danielle wants the final 2 to be her and Jason no matter if she wins or not..I respect Dani alot for that..I will be very surprised if Dani turns on Jason but I doubt it

I dont know how people can assume Danielle would turn on Jason with no evidence whatsoever..just because she wants to win doesn't mean she is gonna turn on Jason with a snap of a finger..I just dont get it

Maris

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I take it you missed that conversation last week when Danni was talking to Lisa about dumping Jason?

Wcv63

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Fab. I think D/J are a solid alliance.

Bmh

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris obviously you dont know how Dani works..she tells these things to Lisa so it will throw her off about how solid D/J are..i cant believe you actually believe what Dani tells people other than Jason..if Lisa ever found out how solid D/J are she would freak..Dani needs to keep her in the dark about it

Bastable

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep, as I said in my original post in reference to Lisa, it's sometimes hard to tell what the HGs are really thinking by the way they act on the LFs. Danielle and Lisa both humor Roddy and act like he's making a connection, when secretly they're counting the minutes till the can vote him out.

I saw the same thing with Jason last week when Roddy went into the HoH room to talk him out of nominating him. I watched the whole conversation live and although I could tell that Jason was just letting Roddy *think* he was bending, he was in fact playing the whole thing strategically. Some posters on this board thought Jason was buying Roddy's line, but in fact (as the DR sessions proved) he knew exactly what was happening.

So it's sometimes a hard call to tell what the HGs are *really* thinking. Either you are so familiar with them that you can read between the lines (as I could last night with Lisa as she expressed "pity" for Roddy on the hammock) or you're held in suspense until the HG runs off and reveals their feelings about Roddy behind his back (Jason in the HoH last week).

In my mind, the ones you can't always tell for sure (like Jason) are the ones who are playing the game the best.

Lombadier

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In other words, Bmh, Dani is manipulating and lying to Lisa. That's how she works, she is a manipulator and liar, as well as the instigator of HG bashing. Lisa needs to wake up and help rid the house of Dani.

Bmh

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
that is exactly what DAni is doing Lombadier..and she never said she wasn't going to lie and cheat to get the money..Roddy lies and then tells everybody how important people's words are and being honest..he is the phony...at least Dani has the guts to say she is going to lie and cheat and she doesn't give a damn..I remember her saying that way back when the BB3 promo was airing

Seanflynn

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is what, above everything else there is to respect and admire about Danielle --
She WORKS with Jason, doesn't CONTROL him. He felt it was important to not put up Roddy last week as she would have preferred. She acted like an adult, went along, was supportive, bided her time. She played it exactly right.
She is a great game player as well as a very admirable and accomplished human being, a class act in this group.

Bernie

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 01:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seanflynn, I would agree with you wholeheartedly about Dani, except for one thing. She has been a ringleader in the demonising of intended nominees throughout the game, right back to the beginning with the Gerry handwashing complaint fracas. I've noticed that since Gerry left she has been very circumspect about what she says about him, and has actually said some positive thngs, like he's a nice guy, and such, yet, when he was in the house, she never stopped ragging on his supposed 'disgusting' habits, and was usually the one who started them. I saw this happen on the feeds all the time.
I don't for one moment believe that Amy was flashing them in the hot tub the other day, either, but even Marcellas bought that, and has brought it up several times since. It's so totally out of character for Amy, who goes to such great lengths to avoid being seen undressed that she changes in the toilet. That's just mean of Danielle.
Still she has played a great game. I just wish she'd done it with less cruelty towards her targets.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As much as Dani is a manipulator, liar, basher, etc. It is not to Jason's and Lisa's strategic advantage to get rid of her. Dani has shown repeated loyalties to those two. She will do what she has to to make them (Li/Ja/Da) go to final three.

I also think both of Jason and Lisa have a decent shot of winning if matched up with Dani at final two.

So, as much as I don't want to see Dani win, or even be in the final two. I think both Jason and Lisa would be stupid to try to oust her now.

Gidget

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 02:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa and Dani are both Aquarians I believe. I don't know about other sun signs but I know I bond very strongly with my own kind, Aquarian. I am not proud to say this but I would have been swayed by Dani, too. Though that devil stuff gets on my nerves.

Keiffer

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
First, Danny wasn't protecting Jason when she talked Amy out of puttin him up a couple of weeks ago. She was manipulating Amy to put Roddy up for her own reasons... none of which was protecting Jason. Jason wasn't going anywhere if he was up against Chiara. Let's not make her into a saint for that move becauase it wasn't some sort of selfless act just for Jason. SHe wanted Roddy up and even told Amy she would make sure Chiara left if she did as she was told... then five minutes later was getting the troops ready to vote out Roddy. That whole thing actually shows how manipulative Danny is.

BTW, when did she say she was going to lie or do anything she had to to win the money? I missed that one. The way she has vilified Roddy and Chaira for not being loyal and truth tellers is nothing but BS because she has done as much or more than they ever did.

I say again up until this point it has been easy for DAnny to sit back and bash others for how they did things as HoH or as nomminies because she has never had to go through that stress.

The best move for Lisa is to get with Amy or Marcy next week and try to get Danny and Jason nomminated. It wont happen because Danny has convinced Marcy Lisa, and Jason that she wants them in the finals, and she will never vote against any of them. The time is coming when Marcy or Lisa are going to learn the hard way they got played this week, and should have stayed with Roddy for a decent chance.

Niceguy

Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What I'd like to see is Jason and Lisa flip the script on Danielle. She's believes she's moved her little bear cubs right into a corner so she can come back later and devour them. But then they do a topsy-turvy move on her with them topsy and Danielle turvy.

But that would be so unlike those two trusting kids.

Bigbrotherbelle

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What I don't understand is why Lisa says during the day she doesn't even want to be around him, yet wakes up in the middle of the night with him and says stuff like "give me another compliment."

Krossd

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
BBBelle, I see that as genuine caring, AND a scouting mission (to find out what is, or may be happening. She's been working that side for her and Dani (and Jason) since they told her about Chiara's vote. Good for her.

She should just sit back and see what happens next week, then decide what side she will go with. Dani could be setting her up to nominate Marc by giving her 'info' about his having and breaking his word to Roddy. OR Dani may really want it to be Lisa and Jason in the final 3. (Tho I have a hard time believing she'd take or even help take, Marc down. I am waiting to see which way it pans out on that one).

Personally I hope she goes with Lisa since Marc hasn't been as loyal to Dani (in words), as Lisa has been since 'waking' up to the game.

Bastable

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe the bigger question is "Will Jason or Lisa break AWAY?" It's the only way they could survive against Danielle.

Jason wouldn't do that. But Lisa? She's gotta go into survival mode sooner or later. Third place just gets a pat on the back! And D/J/L are already discussing, in private, which person they want against them in the finals... doesn't take much arithmetic till you realize you've gotta get nasty.

Phatcat

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep, BBBelle, I have my suspicions about that also. I believe that Lisa will vote Roddy out, but she is going a little overboard in her 'scouting mission', in my opinion. And there is also a hint of Chiara when she sees Roddy spending time with Amy. I get the sense that there is just a little tooooo much concern, bordering on...jealousy. JMO

Wendo

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 01:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, since I can't find the "Lisa and Roddy Convo" thread, this is the only thread I could find to post in remotely close.

Anyway, what's up with Lisa talking to Roddy to the wee hours of the morning??? And, they seem to be talking in some sort of code with each other. Something with taps and writing on each others bodies under the covers.

????

Why are they allowed to do this? And, is Lisa giving away secrets??? I'm worried......

Sunrisedd

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 01:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This code talking is so wrong :(

Wendo

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 01:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't understand why Roddy and Lisa are allowed to persist in this code talk. WTF. They're still doing it. Lisa is doing it now and then she says, "I think from way back when..."

Hello?! BB should not allow this to continue. They should have to talk out loud, even if it's a whisper. This is not 24/7 access imo.

Phatcat

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 02:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo...check out what Cross posted on the lfp's. I think Eric could tell us a lot about what Lisa does with her hands under the covers. I will be very disappointed in her if this turns out to be true.