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Maesin

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As far as I know no one said it was when she was a child. This information has not been officially confirmed yet. My Mom and I were talking about the sign thread and my Mom remembered reading that Lisa lost hearing in her left ear due to a speaker. Again, no absolute confimation.

As far as jobs are concerned. You are right. People do have the ability to choose thier profession. Some people just don't have the freedom to do what they want when they want.

Always two sides to the coin, may yours always flip to the good side!

Moondance

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 10:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Maesin I completely agree!!!

Sometimes you don't have much room for choice when you need to pay the bills... geeezz I wish some people would lighten up and quit casting all of these stones!

Sia

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 10:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wouldn't it be nice if CBS provided more complete biographies of the hamsters each year? AS seems to love leaving the really super-interested fans, the Internet viewers, twisting in the wind.

Moondance, I hope you didn't think I was casting stones at anyone. I just was trying to point out that Lisa--and most of the other houseguests--use any excuse possible to make their own situations look as pitiful as possible to try and "guilt" the other hamsters into voting to keep them in the running for the money. They all complain about how hard their lots are in life and how much they "need" $500,000. It's the constant whining that they NEED that much money that just bothers me. What would these people have done if there weren't a game show like BB to be on in order to win such a big chunk of money at once? When the hamsters play that card, it sounds to me like they just want to make a big killing all at once with the least effort expended. No one "NEEDS" half a million dollars. The money would be nice, great, fun to have, wonderful to invest, etc., but no one NEEDS that much money unless he/she has huge, huge debts, a physical disability and no way to earn an income, a terminally ill family member, etc. See what I'm saying? I think the houseguests are greedy and are not being honest about their motives: they WANT the money, they don't NEED it.

Moondance

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 10:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sia, it is a game and they will say what they need to win the $ so I am not one to judge.

Sunrise

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 10:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
her ear was damaged within the past 5-10 years while she worked at a club. she said that she had to stand next to a speaker every night.

if this is the reason, then we shouldn't rag on her for it. but, it does changes differently depending on who she is talking to, or what she is talking about.

Willsfan

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She has hearing loss but could still hear Eric whispering to her at night? Wow! She's much luckier than most I guess, because I know a few people who worked at a factory that suffered hearing loss and they can't hear whispers. Or a tv program unless the volume is cranked up.

Jhezzie

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe Eric whispered in her good ear!

Lanzee

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 02:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agreed with Hermione and Landi!! Lisa's voice is better than my voice because I am deaf or hearing impaired. I can't tell if my voice is right or bad but the hearing people can tell that I speak different than the normal hearing voice because I am not hearing!! LOL!! But some people thinks I speak well. I disagreed with them!!! I always use ASL all the time because this is my language. English is my second language. I would easily be Lisa's big buddy in BB house!!! We definitely use ASL all the time!!! LOL!!

The information we still don't know how she lost the hearing loss on her left ear. I told you that I am deaf and you might jump and assume how I become deaf. You can't guess until the information is really offically confirmed. I rather wait until she will be out of bb house to ask her how she lost her hearing on left ear and why she did learn the sign language. I will tell you how I became deaf in Sign Language thread trw!!! I believe Lisa is a slightly hard of hearing but she looks like she's hearing to me.

One more thing to tell you that if I become BB HG and want to win the money for my deafness? My answer is NO!!! I never, never, never use my deafness in order to win the money. That is a wrong motive!! I am just like everyone who wants to win the money and play for fun game!!! That's it!!!

I am thrilled to see that BB did choose her to play the BB contest!!! That's awesome!!

\lm/

Hermione69

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 04:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why does it matter when or why she lost her hearing? Hearing loss affects your voice. Period. If the loss occurs at birth or as a child during the development years, it will be more obvious, but even if she lost it as an adult, after a time her voice will start to reflect that loss. How can it not? Does the fact that she may have lost hearing at work in a loud bar make it okay to make fun of her voice because that was her occupation by choice? What kind of logic is that? C'mon people, be a bigger person than that! And when did this turn into a debate on whether she is using her hearing loss to win the game? She doesn't talk about it that much! I have been following the boards from about week two and this is the first I have heard of it. Even if she is, that belongs in a different thread, not one created about Lisa's voice.

This isn't a very sensitive topic for me, is it?

Gotta go to work so I guess it is time to climb off my soapbox!

Moondance

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Hermnione & Lanzee!

Kalekona

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
hearing lose effects your voice ONLY if you loose your hearing prior to learning speech. If she was an adult or teenager she would still speak the same as before, the only difference could be her ability to control the volume of her voice.

Moondance

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
>hearing lose effects your voice ONLY if you loose your hearing prior to learning speech.<

That is not true!!!

Smowen99

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This thread was not started to BASH Lisa. I think there is a little bit too much drama from a few people. Who ever said that sounding like Rudolph was a "bad" thing?????? Remember all.....Rudolph was a kids show,not a freak show!!!!! The comment made was NOT to make fun of Lisa. Her hearing imparement wasn't even an issue until some of you made it an issue.

Kalekona

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well i hate to disagree with you moondance but after 16 years with a deaf child and 16 years with audiologists and speech therapists I do know just a little bit on the subject. A good example is that as we grow older we often loose our hearing but our mannar of speech does not change. The reason Deaf/and hard of hearing people have a different sound and tone to their voices is because they could not hear how the word/letter sounds. once you know that the quality of your voice will not change.
From the moment we are born we start to learn language-by hearing it. If you can't hear it you never know how it is suppose to sound. For the deaf to learn to speak is a crap shoot- some are able to learn to use their voice and some never do. There is no way to tell who will or won't but your chances are better the more exposure to language you have had. pre-lingual and post-lingual hearing lose are very different things.

Moondance

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As a person who has lost hearing out of my right ear (started at age 14 then in my 20s) Kalekona, I know a little about this subject myself ... my voice and speech has been effected. I have seen many speech coaches and therapists for it.

Crossfire

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting stuff. In my own case, I have never been totally without hearing, but I've never had good hearing either, and my speech has been affected because sometimes when I meet new people, they ask me where I am from...apparently, I have what they think is an accent of some unidentifiable origin.

Which always surprises me because I think I talk fine. :)

Maybe I should spring for a new set of hearing aids, but MAN are they expensive, and most health plans seem to cover everything under the sun, except for maybe 20 bucks on ears. Very annoying.

Bbfanatic

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
her voice reminds me of minnie mouse.
actually i think eric & her could pass for minnie & mickey mouse. they kind of look like them.

(dont worry , i am not bashing)

Minnietlm63

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've never noticed her sounding like she has sinus problems. What I have noticed is how she changes her tone and talks babyish when she's around the guys or when she's sucking up to someone. That has nothing to do with her lack of hearing.

Kalekona

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well moondance if you were already talking there is no logical reason why loosing the hearing in one ear would effect the quality of your speech, perhaps there is another problem going on. I have talked to many adults who lost hearing later in life and none of them have any speech problems.
Perhaps you are just a special case it is not a normal occurance.

Moondance

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually I would like to think I am special OK I am but the office and clinic that were full of patients like myself I went to would tend to dispute your claims.

If you hold your ears close or have a cold in your head and your hearing is effected... it effects how you hear your own voice so levels and dictation. And that is just the beginning ... not sure why this is so hard to understand ... see Crossfire's post too... I am not the only one here saying this.

Sia

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't posted anything about the quality/ timbre of Lisa's voice. I haven't heard ENOUGH of her voice to even make a judgment, LOL, and wouldn't DO that, anyway. Without live feeds, I have to rely on what I hear her say on the CBS show--and 90% of the footage of Lisa is when she's whispering in a bedroom somewhere! Drives me nuts because none of the hamsters whisper loudly enough to be heard clearly! Thank goodness for closed-captioning.

I do, however, remember Chiara criticizing Lisa's voice to Roddy; she openly mocked her! Do you all remember that? Chiara called Lisa whiny and said she used a "baby-voice," but the weird thing is I remember Chiara doing exactly that whenever she tried to sweet-talk Roddy into doing things she wanted him to do.

Cmc209

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm really surprised that there's a thread for Lisa's voice and nothing mentioned in here on Josh's voice - I don't know about the rest of you, but Josh's voice - there's something I'll never forget.

Bernie

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm hard of hearing, but not deaf. My Dad's mother was so hard of hearing that she had a hearing aid, and in his 30's and 40's my Dad began to get that way too, so he was the way I have been for the last 15 years.
I have to have the TV cranked so high it bothers my husband, and I have problems when people whisper, or when there's any background noise. It hasn't affected my speech, except in one way-I can't judge how loudly I'm speaking myself very well.
One of my sons sometimes tells me to speak more quietly, and at other times, people ask me to speak up.
If only one of Lisa's ears is affected I can't imagine why that would affect her speech at all, even if it happened when she was little.
All one has to do is turn the head to hear from the best ear, which is what I, my Dad and my Grandma all did and have to do, since we all had different levels of impairment in each ear.
It's also possible that Lisa lost her hearing not from noise, but from an ear infection.
A bad one can cause the rupture of the eardrum, as well as damage the inner ear, and that could cause deafness on one side.

Hermione69

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kalekona, I lost my hearing after I started talking and it totally affects my speech so I have to agree with Moondance on this one. I had speech therapy from pre-kindergarten through middle school and even today people think I either have an accent or a speech impediment.

Smowen99, the thread may not have been created to make fun of her, but that is how it came across, at least to me and apparently to others who wrote in after I did to thank me for addressing it. Granted, I have a sensitivity to it that others may not because, like I said, I am hard of hearing and I am sometimes made fun of for my speech (which probably sounds a bit like Lisa's.) That being the case, I wanted to let people know why she probably sounds like that so people could show some courtesy. And personally, I would not want to be told that I sound like Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer. I don't know many people under the age of ten who would. That would make me self-conscious and people with disabilities have enough obstacles in the course of daily living.

This is my last post. I can't make people understand who don't or won't.

Willsfan

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bernie that's exactly my point. The people I know with hearing loss would not have been able to hear someone whispering to them in bed. Lisa seems to be able to do this well which speaks well of the doctor that treated her.

I think she speaks nasally naturally like Willie Nelson. That accents any problem she may have, especially when she's flirting using babytalk.