Archive through September 01, 2002
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Archive through September 01, 2002
Curious1 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 06:11 pm     I just hope that Amy doesn't deny how much that had to of hurt her, what M said during nominations. That was just CRUEL! I suspect that this is a common trait of M, cutting down those close to him and not feeling like it's the wrong thing to do. |
Observerx | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:58 am     I love Amy to death, but she is a little naive. Personally, I like that about her... kind of an innocence, but it can be a serious weakness in this house that is just exploited. I'm hoping that with all her innocence she ends up winning the whole enchilada. Marc is all about Marc. Maybe it's a defense mechanism that comes about having to deal with being persecuted by a majority of society (for a being gay and for being black). I'm not sure but I don't like it at all. I'm so happy that I'm with someone and don't have to deal with all the Marcs that are out there (and there are plenty, especially in the Gay world). Though I try to undertand, I find myself just wanting to throttle him. I've found it very sad to watch what could have been a really good friendship being wasted to this game and Marc's incessant need to be the center of attention and always right. Anything could change in the next few weeks, but right now I don't see Amy waking up to Marc anytime soon. She appears very loyal to him and it would probably take something extremely severe for her to turn her back on him. I think his little speech did hurt her, as he has hurt her before, but she is very forgiving. She is being wasted on him. I would love to have a friend like Amy. He should be so grateful and proud of his friendship with Amy and he's not. I wonder how many of these he has thrown away for the sake of his own ego. The only thing I did/do not like about their relationship was the need to hunker together and bash others for their own entertainment. I don't agree with that, though I've seen allot of it in the gay world too. It's actually a ritual with some to go out together, drink and bash anyone and everyone that walks by. I've been known to fall into it before, but I always felt bad about it after awhile. I'm very conscious of it and avoid people like that like the plague. You never know when they'll turn on you or what they say about you behind your back. They really are the biggest kind of coward in my opinion. For some, I think it's the only way they can feel good about themselves; bring everyone else around them down. It's just not right. Being a gay man, I'm ashamed of Marc and his portrayal of the typical catty, know-it-all queen. It can be funny, but when it's all that your about it's just sad. Unfortunatly, there are allot of Marcs around, but we're not all like that. |
Secretsmile | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:07 pm     Observerx... I don't think Marcellas's attitude says anything one way or the other about him being gay, black, or a man. It says alot about him as a person. Not many men act that way, not many blacks act that way, not many gays act that way. Just him. ( I'm hetrosexual, female, mother, WASP, and Republican, LOL! We're not all evil either.) |
Catfat | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:10 pm     I can't keep up with events, as I don't have live feeds. Did Amy sleep in the HOH with Marcelass last night? |
Secretsmile | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:14 pm     Yes Catfat. A better place to ask this would be in Quick Questions thread. |
Blossumtree | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:19 pm     secretsmile, given your background let me speak from experience and say that i've met many, many gay men who are like marcellus. who turn on a dime against their friends. being gay myself I'm pretty sure it has a lot to do growing up not being able to develop the trust and loyalty that most people do. as a kid everyone was a threat, even my parents. when you're gay and raised in a society where parents would rather disown or kick thier children out of the house than accept who they are then as an adult you sometimes lash out at those who really do love you because, sub-conciously you feel unworthy of thier love given that those who were closest to you would've preferred you dead rather than accept who you were. |
Secretsmile | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:23 pm     I guess I missed my point! LOL, I just meant that, as a person, I've seen that trait in the general public, I wasn't thinking you had to be a gay black man, to get those characteristics. |
Theo17 | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:27 pm     I dont think Marcy represents all gay men but many people only see gay people on tv and will view marcy as a gay man and not as a man who happens to be gay. His actions will be viewed by some but not most as typical for gay men. I frankly think marcy is just camera hungry and thats his way to play for the cameras. I find many of his dr's to be the most entertainment of the show. I think they are hillarious. Him and his boo and also his speaking to himself was really funny. I would take marcy talking to boo over roddy speaking at anybody every single time. |
Observerx | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:29 pm     Secretsmile: "I don't think Marcellas's attitude says anything one way or the other about him being gay, black, or a man. It says alot about him as a person" I agree to an extent, but people are influenced by their upbringing and circumstances in life, no matter what they are. I guess what really says something about a person is how deal with or overcome these things. I'm really not sure how you took what I said... "Not many men act that way, not many blacks act that way, not many gays act that way. Just him." I can only speak from personal experience, but there are quite a few (especially gay men) out there like Marc. Maybe not even a majority (within the community), but enough for that persona to be recognized. "( I'm hetrosexual, female, mother, WASP, and Republican, LOL! We're not all evil either.) " I didn't say anyone was "evil"... Anyway I'm not exactly sure how I came across in my post. |
Secretsmile | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:31 pm     I'll post more in your message board ok Observerx? It's not personal but not the subject of the thread. |
Demeter | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:33 pm     They've been good buds as always when they fight and then kiss and makeup. Marcellas apologized, Amy let him know how much the speech hurt her and they both tearfully hugged each other and told each other how much they loved the other and they want the other in their lives for the rest of their lives. It will be interesting to see if any of Roddy's Marcellas bashing last night had an impact on Amy. As he was trying to get her to use the veto, he consistently turned to everything being Marcellas's fault. |
Ministryoftruth | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:33 pm     I agree with Theo. I think a lot of what Marc does is for TV time. He often makes comments about others taking away HIS TV time. Secret - I got you beat . . . I'm hetrosexual, female, a mother, Republican, AND CATHOLIC! -- LOL |
Observerx | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:35 pm     Ok, Secretsmile. Where is my message board? |
Theo17 | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:36 pm     Blossum and anyone else that is gay do you find marcy being gay in any way pushing you in any direction of who you are rooting for or against? I know some white people that would never want a black person to win and vice versa although most people are not racists. I'm currious if on this show or other reality shows that commonality plays a role in how you view the hgs. |
Bigsister | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:37 pm     It's hard for me to read Amy and understand how she could so quickly forgive and forget what Marcellus did too her. If I were in her place I might act as if everything is okay but I would be hurting inside and actually wishing I could get out of that house and away from that situation. It will be interesting to see if she really seems to want to avoid eviction this week. |
Observerx | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:38 pm     Ministryoftruth: Unfortunately, for a lot people like Marc TV time is all the time. I have no doubt that Marc is very much in the "real world" like he is in the BB house. My ex use to live like he was ALWAYS on stage. Drama, drama, drama... |
Theo17 | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:40 pm     big if she could forgive roddys speech, roddy booting her, roddy voting for eric not her, roddy campaigning against her last week then hopefully she could forgive marcy this one time. I frankly thought marcys speech was stupid. I think gerry and marcy like to make grandious statements sometimes to the tv world and arent really as much pointed at the hg's. Amy has been marcys friend. Maybe she doesnt do everything the way he says but she is his friend not his dog to be trained. |
Secretsmile | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:42 pm     Observerx, at the very top of the page, click topics, then members room, then message boards, and scroll 'til you find your name. I just set it up for you. |
Barefootdyke | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:43 pm     Observerx says ... "Being a gay man, I'm ashamed of Marc and his portrayal of the typical catty, know-it-all queen. It can be funny, but when it's all that your about it's just sad. Unfortunatly, there are allot of Marcs around, but we're not all like that. " Amen. |
Ericka1012 | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:43 pm     What is sad about this whole Marc's thing is that anyone that comes to his defense is the bad guy and he's the good guy...Gerry veted him, so Gerry was a bad guy...Josh told him the truth, so Gerry and Josh were the bad guys (Josh was but in that situation he was telling him the truth)...Now Amy who has nothing to him but be his true and dear friend no matter what was going on is not the bad girl...I would make bets that Marc's doesn't have many friends because if they get to close he pushes them away so he can be a GOOD GUY...I understand that he's had a hard life because he's gay and grew up in a world where gay people let alone black people have been done wrong by the gerneral population...But this is a 30 year old man it's time for him to give a little to people that have done NOTHING WRONG TO HIM...ie. Gerry and Amy...Marc's throws people way like paper towels...He will end up a very Lonely Sad Man and the only person he won't blame is himself. That has nothing to do with being Hetro or Gay it has to do with being a human being. |
Observerx | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:43 pm     Theo17: I'm gay and I feel more of a commonality with Amy than I do with Marc. I think that's why I'm such an Amy fan. I feel that I'm mostly influenced by how someone is as a "person" more that their color or sexual orientation. But it still comes down to being based on who I am as a person too, I guess. |
Rain | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:44 pm     Marcellus is not a friend of Amys. No friend would treat someone the way he treats her, even in the context of that house. Observerx, in what way has Marcellus ever been persecuted? Saying Marcellus is persecuted is just "too much" (sort of political correctness run amuck, lol). Marcellus just doesn't have a very good basic character, and as time goes on it shows more and more. In contast, I love Dani and Roddy. People diss them for the way they play the game--but that's what they are doing--playing the game. Marcellus has actually played a very poor game, and the only reason he's still there is because Gerry's little veto speech. |
Observerx | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:45 pm     Thank you Secretsmile!! |
Theo17 | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:46 pm     ericka a lot of what you said is true. Marcy does turn on people very quickly then later he has second thoughts. His relationship with gerry was like that as is his deal with amy. Josh did tell him the truth about 6 people not just josh but marcy made it seem like it was just josh and so did kiki. I dont know why josh let kiki bully him like that. He should have just said lie all you want but you were 1 of the 6 that said to kick him out and you were as mad as anyone at gerrys veto. |
Theo17 | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:48 pm     observex thanks for your honest answer. I couldnt have blamed you in either way. I hate to see gay people bashed and I wouldnt blame them for sticking together since almost all of them have faced it at one time or another. You must have very good honest judgement and thats very commendable. |
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