Archive through August 30, 2002
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Archive through August 30, 2002
What555456 | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:55 pm     It seems the consensus on here is that Marcellus will nominate Roddy. Perhaps he will, perhaps he won't. We don't know and neither does Roddy. So, let's give this a try, staying serious and strategic in your thinking for this exercise.... If you were Roddy at this juncture, given all that has happened and who is left in the house with you, what strategy would you employ to stay off the block? Remember, you only have about 36 hours until the nomination. |
Zelindar | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 08:01 pm     Roddy will gently sway Marcellas that if he (Roddy) must be put up, he wants to go head to head with Dani. It's his only chance at working his spell on the others. He spins his magic just enough that Dani starts appearing as a threat to a couple of them. Maybe. |
Sbw | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 08:02 pm     Roddy needs to show Marcellas how he will be #4 in Dani's group. |
Twiggyish | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 08:06 pm     I think he should first align with Jason. He's a good ally. Together, they'd have a serious talk with Marc about who might be the real power in the house. He has to be careful about not mentioning Dani or Lisa, specifically. Then, he should try to convince Amy to stick with him. All the while, keeping a positive attitude. Somehow, he has to work on breaking the alliance and loyalty Marc feels towards Dani. I think Marc's two choices would then be Lisa and Dani. |
Snogrl | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 08:07 pm     I think Roddy is pretty happy that he has that HT strategy with Marcellas. He's been spending alot of time with Lisa. Last night Amy sought him out, and I think he feels pretty secure with her. Jason didn't nom. him last week, so he knows he can work him even though he doesn't completely trust him (since he came so close to being nom'd) The only one he is totally 100% threatened by is Danielle. He'll leave her alone and work on the rest. I think he will appeal to them privately that it's better to be in an alliance of 2. If you have too many people together not all will make it and you won't have that worry with me. His wheels are turning. |
Crossfire | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 08:10 pm     Marcellas cannot win the big bucks unless he gets to the end. That is job #1. In order to do that, he needs to string along ANYONE but Dani...so she can go up. Against the Jason/Lisa/Roddy/Amy, I think his best chances are to take Amy since she already got booted. In order to get Dani booted, he should take away a vote for her and if at all possible, someone who would be a threat to beat him in the endgame, and that would be Jason. So I think he should consider Dani and Jason. |
What555456 | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:04 pm     Let me answer my own question... Roddy is very good at working individuals, but he needs time to do it. Each time he has been nominated, he has used the time between the nomination and the eviction VERY effectively. So, I think he has to concede that he will be nominated. The question is how to handle that as a given. I think if I were him, I would work on Marcellus to nominate Dani along with him. Tell Marcellus it is time for the house to choose. Then I would use the time to get the votes I needed to have Dani booted out. My feeling are that Amy and Lisa are doable for him. And Jason probably is too. It would be a risk, no doubt about it. But I think Roddy could do it. If he figures he is going anyway, he might as well take the risk. (Note: I am a Dani fan, not a Roddy fan) |
Wendo | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 10:48 pm     However, if your Marcellas, you have to consider "Who can I stand next two as a final two and win." If you consider that, can Mar win against Dani (he's well aware she's alienated people), or can he win against Roddy (I don't think so, since most of Roddy's friends are on the jury already.) At this point of the game, as a player, you have to consider the end game a bit. If I were Marcellas, I'd keep Dani over Roddy in a heartbeat knowing that I have a chance at winning against her. |
Crossfire | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 10:54 pm     I dont know, every time I read an exit interview, it seems to me, everyone wants Dani to win. I think she is snowing them just as much as he is. |
Draheid | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 10:56 pm     Would it be enough for Marcellas to have two prizes ... $50K and a week alone with Roddy in the house all to himself? Hmmm...how would that play on Marcellas' vanity? |
C1mag | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:04 pm     Wendo I agree that Rod is the better target right now. It has been proven that the longer he stays in the longer he gains control of the game. The longer this happens the more his chances increase as the underdog and the overall winner. Once one power is gone then at any given time the focus can be shifted to the other power. You need to have that other power under control and close by. Roddy doesn't allow that type of relationship. Dani does. Marcellus does have a bond with Dani that does not exist with Roddy. Marcellus knows that Dani would help him get through the last portion of this game. He knows that Roddy will use and then toss all of them to get to the end. He also knows that to play the game with Roddy is suicide. Look at where his followers are at. All have been sent home! He's going after Roddy for obvious reasons and he's giving Dani his head on a silver platter. He will nominate him with Jason and Dani, Lisa and Amy will evict him. Lisa already knows what Roddy shovels out there. Amy has said this is payback too Dani. We all know where Dani stands. I really think Roddy is going and Jason will be the decoy. What should Roddys strategy be? We'll what it always is... Try to spin his magic on people like Lisa. BEG Jason to save him with the veto. Remind Amy what he has done for her. Will it work this time? Not a chance in hell!!! They were dumb struck at how he got to Jason. That won't happen again. There is no strategy left. On Thursday we will say.... The mighty Roddy has struck out!! |
Annitar | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:09 pm     I think the best thing Roddy could do at this point is to keep his mouth shut. I do not think Marcie would react favorably to the tactics Roddy pulled with Jason. I really do not see how Marcie could not nominate Roddy. He has too many people around him that want Roddy out. His alliance with Roddy wouldn't be strong enough. They would be only a power of two. It's not worth it for Marce. |
C1mag | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:10 pm     Wendo I wanted to add on your question about.. Who would Marcellus want to stand next too in the finals? The answer is Neither of them! The question is... Who does he trust to get him to the final rounds? The answer is definitely Dani! She's shows loyalty. Roddy blew it this week trying to get Amy evicted and then lying to Marcellus about a deal with Gerry. Marci is looking for a stooge that the rest are not targeting as a potential booted house guest. He wants to ride the coattails of someone everyone feels safe about. Again this is Dani. when the time is right he is hoping that the game will play out that she is eliminated based on the theory that she would be a threat for the grand prize. In the mean time she is the one to use to go on in the game. If he gives her Roddys head she will NEVER nominate Marcellus, and as long as she is safe he knows he is safe! There ya go. |
C1mag | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:12 pm     Well lets look at it another way... If he doesn't give the house Roddy then the house will come after Marcellus.... ( man I need some of that creepy music for effect ) |
Cameltoes | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:14 pm     Oh the thought of it brings a tear to my eye C1. I hope you are right. I'm trying to figure out if Marcellas can work a Marc/Dani/Amy final 3 (which would be to his and their mutual benefit). Given the J-D-L alliance, it would be hard. He & Amy would have to alternate HOH's. |
C1mag | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:23 pm     Camel I think Marc's is aware that Dani doesn't like to win hoh to do the dirty work. He and Amy know how to win those suckers and all he would have to do is keep on telling Dani over an over that he would take her with him when in fact in the end he would take Amy to ensure his victory. Well at least I think he would beat her. Yeah he would. If the others recognize he played the game the hardest and avoid his crude comments about the others. Dani is the better choice for a final 3. He knows Roddy would drop him in a second and move on to someone else. All Marc has to do is give Dani Roddy and she will keep Marc safe. It's actually a pretty damn good plan! |
Annitar | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:25 pm     I think Amy's pretty good and the trivie HOH comps so if that is what next week's comp is she will have a pretty good chance. Otherwise I'm sure she knows she's toast. Marce has already sown the seeds of dissention from AMy to the others... so he won't look like such a huge creep when/if he has to bail on her. Marce likes Amy but he isn't going to risk losing the game for her. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:31 pm     Apparently Lisa and Dani are convinced he'll put up Roddy and Jason with Roddy to go.. Too bad he doesn't get some promise out of Dani first, but I don't think he will. |
C1mag | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:35 pm     Sea basically Marc has already gotten promises from Dani. Too be honest if she every tried for hoh she would NEVER nominate him. What Marc needs to do is go to Jason and tell him NOT to try for pov. Tell him it may do him in! Remind him that the house wants Roddy out and if you don't do what the house wants this time the house may revolt so just stay away from POV. |
Gouraphik | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:38 pm     Could Marcellas depend on Danielle's loyalty once Roddy's gone? Nope. I don't think so. Even if it's true, it's better to hedge your bets. If Marcellas wants to survive, the best plan is to MAKE SURE that Jason & Lisa aren't closer to Danielle than he is. They've got to go, or he's putting himself at risk. With Roddy gone, he'll be a sitting duck. Just because they say they won't get him, or because he (or we) think they won't, doesn't mean that they can't. The opportunity would be there. D/J/L would have the advantage. They'd have a 3:1 chance of getting the HOH next week. The possibility of being nommed next week is too great at this stage. Objectively, he would be better off with Roddy around and either Jason or Lisa gone. He could slide into the spot of the fallen one, and Roddy would shield him from Danielle's wrath (if only as a distracting target). He'd likely live another week, and reduce the chances of getting nommed the week after that. He wouldn't be "safe", because nobody is safe. But he'd be safer. |
C1mag | Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:47 pm     I have to disagree gour. Dani has shown loyalty and honesty with him. When she gives her word she keeps it. Roddys eviction is a gift that she will be sure to pay back. Even if Jason got hoh next week and nominated Marc along with Amy then Amy would go and Marc is all prepared for that. In fact he expects that. Remember this would get him to the final four after they evict Amy and he would be free to get hoh and go to Dani and remind her that she said she would approve of losing Lisa at that point. Roddy only said it would be the two of them together at the end. How does Roddy plan on doing that? All marcellus knows is that Roddy is a constant walking target and it would be best not to associate yourself with the house target. All his allys seem to go before him and he quickly moves on and makes more deals. I'm telling you the better choice for coattail riding is truly Dani. She's not gonna betray him the following week! Amy is next on the pecking order if the house has a say so not Marcellus. |
Eden | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:01 am     I agree completely, C1. The key for Marcellas is to not end up in the final two with Roddy or Jason. If he delivers Roddy for Danielle he can move from #3 or 4 to #2 on the Danielle's final 3 hierarchy. Marcellas should try to distance himself from Amy and sacrifice her if need be, but if he wants the money, Amy is the one to be sitting next to on the Money Night! As to Roddy's strategy. I agree, I think you could tell by the look on his face after HOH that he knew he was going to be nominated. He knows he made a HUGE tactical error approaching Marcellas about possibly evicting Amy instead of Gerry. His only hope is to try to work his "magic" on Lisa and Jason. I don't think Jason would risk helping Roddy again in any active way. Lisa would alienate herself from the rest of the people in the house should she turn. Amy might be swayed (I don't think she would flaunt the will of the house that way), but he needs two votes to be saved.I think Roddy is out of luck this week. But, hey, I've thought that before! |
Wendo | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:03 am     Crossfire said, "I dont know, every time I read an exit interview, it seems to me, everyone wants Dani to win. I think she is snowing them just as much as he is." Well, at least from reading the interviews of Eric and Chi since they've been evicted, I wouldn't say Dani is high on the list of Chiara, nor are Jason AND Dani high on the list of Eric. I don't believe they're snowed. In addition, I can't see Lori or Tonya voting for Dani to win either. Who knows though... C1mag, interesting thoughts. Perhaps you're right, he doesn't want to stand next to either of them. Didn't look at it that way. So, your theory of which of the two (Roddy or Dani) will take Mar further in the game is an different way of looking at things. I have to agree, I do think Dani would take Mar further than Roddy would. Unfortunately for Roddy, most (if not all) of the people he was "aligned" with are gone. (Though, I still wonder if that's been Roddy's intention all along, to get his ally's on the jury. He certainly hasn't disclosed his strategy as of yet.) Marcellas is aware of this. Where, with Dani, the people she seems to work with are still in the house. Hmm. Something to ponder. I do agree with many who say it would be not good strategy for Marcellas to put both Dani and Roddy up at the same time. One would still be left and could possibly gun for him. He needs to really think, who is my biggest threat. I just DON'T know which way he'll go. I've finally seen the show, and part of me thinks, based on his DR comments, he'd LIKE to put both Rod and Dani up. But will he? Also, didn't Dani tell Mar a few days back that if she got HOH, she wouldn't put him up? Does he believe that? And, has Rod ever given him the same promise? *still have a headache. can't figure these guys out!* |
Eden | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:11 am     I think Marcellas has an good chance of beating Danielle if they both make it to the final two. He could not beat Roddy or Jason or possibly, Lisa. If Roddy's strategy was to create a jury pool of votes for himself, then his strategy is flawed from the start. Doesn't he realize that at some point in the game everyone will be counting the jury votes too? Now is the time you NEED real allies. People you can count on to keep you safe and support your decisions when you have the power to make them. Roddy is doubly vulnerable now: he has no real allies and he has the majority of votes outside the house. What is the incentive for anyone to take him or go with him to the final two? |
Wendo | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:20 am     But, Eden, Roddy thinks he's made allies with the people left. So, he sort of feels protected that way. He's got Jason's protection. He's got Amy's crush, which he feels is protection. He's got his deal with Dani. He feels Lisa is on his side (slid into Eric's spot.) He's told Mar, you and me to the end, so he thinks he has that protection. So, even though his original allies are on the outside and now on the jury (in support of him), he's worked to make allies on the inside as well. |
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