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C1mag

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Allie I really didn't see them acting like a pack of wolves. It wasn't nice to watch but sometimes it's hard not to make a comment when something like that is happening.

I'm sure she is under stress but she has sorta created some of that stress herself. As i recall she hunted down the house on her own to tell them she wouldn't use the veto on Roddy. Perhaps she shouldn't have done that, but they did not ask her or preassure her. I have no problem with a beer or two to take the edge off but it just kept going to the point of asking for others beer. Thats when it got out of hand and just got even worse. I still didn't see them acting like a pack of wolves. They all kept saying to her.. hey maybe you should lay down. Hey maybe you should tone it down. They tried.

I still consider the most brutal comments in this game to have come from Amy and Marcellus directed at Gerry his family and Tonya and her family. If amy recieved some verbal bashing tonight it was bound to happen.

C1mag

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know I will give this much to Amy... She rises to the ocassion! She's out there and you would think nothing had happened. She's a funny girl that is for sure. Hey at least she is doing this viewer a favor and she is not using the veto which she just mentioned so I'm cool with her she can stay another week ... Well done ya little drunk :)

As long as Dracula is gone I don't care who wins the game from here on out!

Cameltoes

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey C1! I am thrilled that he'll be packing his bags for the last time come Wednesday night. I do have some sympathy towards Amy (and towards most of them) but when it comes to trash talking, she has certainly done more than her fair share.

Wendo

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not a fan of the bashing the HG's do. It goes overboard quite a bit. However, I also see things from their point of view. They're stressed, trapped in a house, little space to move around, constantly in each others faces, and the game is constant. I think the game is much more prevalent this year because of the PoV too.

At times, you're just going to get fed up and blow. With these HG's, it appears to be bashing.

C1mag, yes, she's not using the veto, as of tonight. (Still gotta get to the meeting. Until it's done, I won't stop being nervous.) She and Mar were talking in the HOH and she told him "Roddy is Goooood". She said she wasn't sacrificing herself for him.

Finally, as far as the Amy bashing, well, the girl has done quite a lot of bashing herself...even in the diary room. (Lest we forget Chi-Wh*ra.) Turn around is fair play.

Bashing each other seems to be the theme this year.

Saph036

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Who the (blank) cares about peoples weight? Who cares if they like to drink? Who cares if they like to eat? Who cares if the are an exceptional manipulator? Who cares that poor suckers like us watch these hamsters?

I'm scaring my own self now. Why should I want or feel the need to defend or anaylze a person to death... Well, this has been an enlightning night because however you look at at, it's a losing situation.

I'm not GOD and I'm tired of judging and listening to people that judge. I am done with this show and I feel bad for watching and participating. Why not bring back the old days of slaves, christians, and criminals vs. the beasts? for you youngins that don't understand, check out the history channel or read the Bible.

Personally, for me this game has turned into a kangaroo court. Who should we demoralize first, then second and so on.
You would think that after 9-11 we could somehow find ways to love eachother.

Instead it's the same old superficial crap.
for example: she or he is fat, he or she is ugly, he or she is balding, he or she is too dramatic, he or she is manipulative, he or she is an alcoholic, he or she is a homosexual(or a closet one), he or she lies, he or she is wealthy,
he or she is poor, he or she has a criminal record, he or she had sex... blah, blah, blah.

I'm done. Getting off my soap box now.

Wendo

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 01:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Saph036, sorry you feel that way about BB and it has changed for you. I guess I just look at it this way. It's just a tv show. These people will get over the comments, bashes, etc. Who cares. I find it, for the most part, entertaining. And, if something is going on on the feeds I don't like, I switch the feeds. *shrug*

Bbfanatic

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 01:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
bye bye

Saph036

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 01:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, how do you know these people will get over the bashes, etc.?

My point is if this is what society finds entertaining then what does that make us?

CBS lures us with voyeristic capabilities and we desire to watch. Yea, you can shrug and stop the feeds for a bit. However, you(we,all) in a sense
start to judge...

Allietex

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 01:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I love BB. I am addicted like most of you who are sitting up here at night watching. I guess the part of BB that bothers me is the unnecessary bashing and everyone has done it some more that others. I don't mind them talking about what the others are doing in the context of the game, who is lying, who is plotting etc. It's the personal attacks that bother me. Some of the attacks have been mild and even amusing but some has been vicious and just plain mean. Sorry about my rant in my earlier post but it just makes me furious when I see mean and vicious personal attacks.

Wendo

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 01:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Saph, Oh, you're still here! I thought you had left. My mistake.

I don't know for sure they will get over it. But, based on past reality tv shows and the like, it's a pretty safe bet.

So what if we judge. I try to limit mine to the game playing skills and tactics of the HG's, but sometimes, people slip into gossip. Personally, I think you're taking a bit too seriously. But that's your choice.

Anyway, as Bbfanatic said, bye, bye.......

Bbfanatic

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 01:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
wendo
im hooked to bb, how about you? every year the same thing happens. as the hgs bashing gets worse during the course of the show, the boards also get more harsh. im still here and hopefully i will be next year. i get pent up reading them sometimes (well, everyday), but for the most part i really enjoy the show & the boards.

C1mag

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 02:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
bbfanatic... I'm with you all the way. I feel the same way. I love it, get pent up reading it, and watching it. I wouldn't miss the journey at all. This board is awesome and for me this year has far surpassed last year. We are actually down to just 3 more evictions after this week and then it's all over. These people have played this game out hard.

Wendo

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 02:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Of course I'm hooked Bbfanatic. LOL! Can't you tell. I'll be here as long as there's BB, for sure.

Feel the same as you and C1mag.

Tracy

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just keeping wondering if the folks who get so upset at the HG bashing each other really never do it themselves. I work in an office of about 15 people all stuffed in little cubicles. We don't have enough staff to do all the work and so it's stressful. I know I have been guilty of sniping about various co-workers and I'm quite sure I've been on the receiving end. And I'm just shut up with them 8 hours a day - God forbid 24/7, there would probably be murder and mayhem. I guess I just don't get so bent out of shape about gossiping, etc. behind someone's back. I'm not saying it's right nor am I proud of myself when I indulge. I just think it's a not so pretty part of human nature.

Missy2

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know why the other hg care if she is drinking? Whats the big deal? They are just bored and want to complain about somebody.

Bbnan

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 04:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy is powerless over alcohol. She has all the signs of an alcohol problem. Her body/brain can't tell when it is time to stop. She is sneaking drinks and is often thinking about when and where her next drink will come. Alcoholism is not a moral failing or a sin. It is a disease.

Friends of alcoholic need to do what Marcellus is doing. He may not be going about it just right, but he is on the right track. To let her drinking slide by with no comment is enabling. A true friend or love one will complain and intervene. Although the alcoholic will need to make the decision for themselves, friends need to not enable the drinker.

What Amy is doing is not funny, or youthful partying. She is placing herself in jeopardy by drinking. Alcohol is more important to her than keeping her wits about her, fostering good relations in the house, acting foolish on national teevee,or the $500,000.

Amy is not to the point where her body is totally addicted to alcohol, i.e. she doesn't get the shakes if she doesn't have it, but she is well on her way to that stage. Again, it is not a moral failing, it's in the chemistry of her brain.

As an aside, "my alcoholic" is a fanactic chesse lover too. I wonder.....hummm.. perhaps a study is in order about the chemistry in cheese...

Bernie

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 05:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Forget the cheese/alcohol connection...I love cheese, always have, and have never had more than two glasses of wine at any one time. My Dad was a beer drinker, and it turned me off drinking before I was old enough to drink. I haven't drunk anything alcoholic in probably at least twenty years-I can't even remember, and I still love my cheese.
But I've heard that there's a connection between being good at math, and being musical....

Alegria

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 06:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Another great thread. I don't see any of what you guys have been saying as bashing but more like adding pieces to a puzzle. I wish I had the feeds so that I could have watched the hg interaction last night. What I see on the better threads on the boards is a lively, (thankfully) moderated, debate and reading what everyone says leaves me to draw my own conclusions. So, is Amy sleeping it off now? Why do you think everyone relents and gives them their booze?

Tnsocialworker

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 06:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone have Arnold Shapiro's email address. I am really concerned about Amy and something needs to be done to get her some help. She may not be an alcoholic yet, but she is definitely abusing alcohol and needs an intervention before it gets worse. They could have a group therapy session in the DR with their therapist talking to them thru the mikes and help wake Amy up to how self-destructive her behavior has been. Let the HG's tell her to her face how her behavior is affecting them instead of talking about it behind her back and mocking her.

Alegria

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 06:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
oh, the cheese/alcohol theory is a hoot. I'm having cheese (and only cheese) with my breakfast but I'll maintain an open mind...

Alaginger

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 06:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bernie.......were you thinking about me this morning????
I love cheese
My Mom was an alcoholic (turned me off)
I don't drink (mostly because I'm a cheap drunk, and don't really care for it anyway)
I'm exceptionally good at math
and I was a music major

Reading your post gave me a deja vue (sp?) Whoops, not as good at spelling as I am at math and music (LOL)

Tnsocialworker

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 06:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I found the link to Shapiro: www.arnoldshapiroprods.com. Anyone else concerned about Amy please write to him also.

Bernie

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 06:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Might have been, Alaginger! I had another weird coincidence yesterday morning with Lancecrossfire...maybe I'm psychic? <insert eerie music here>

Bernie

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 06:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tnsocialworker, I'd rather write to Arnold and ask him to talk to Danielle about her nasty lies, than Amy's problem with drinking. That old saying that 'sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me' is rubbish.
I've had a hard time in the last couple of days even watching feeds and reading about the nastiness she's putting out there, in the same way that I found her and Marcellas' Gerry-bashing distasteful.
It makes me feel grubby, and so I've only come to catch up this morning after they're all asleep. This has been the most unpleasant BB ever, and I'd love to face them down about their words and actions once this is all over.
I do appreciate though, that you are concerned for Amy - I am too, but her drinking is the lesser of the evils in that house...

Tnsocialworker

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 06:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bernie, I agree the nastiness of this group has been most unpleasant. I guess I am most disappointed with Jason, for not stepping in and telling everyone when they get out of line. He is the only one I have not heard actually doing the bashing. I suppose he is trying to stay under the radar and not get the others upset. He is the next youngest - Amy being the baby in more ways than one. The others should be completely grown up and I cannot stand the way they are acting - like a pack of jackals.