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C1mag

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No one is saying Marcellus hasn't been totally offensive but the scary player in this game is Roddy. His ability to strip them raw and demand of them to forget about the rules of the game which include the right to lie and betray and instead focus on what society will think of them if they dare to play the game as it was structured. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't keep falling for it but he keeps finding suckers who do his biding and forget that this is a game. He isn't cunning. It's a card you can play but it's digusting and unfair in this game to use the word integrity.

Rod

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sure, Roddy is always building people up and complimenting them and saying nice things about them ...but you can just see his mind at work saying "self you are giving such good compliments"..."self, that was really a good one, they will like that"...'self, you are so good. THey must really appreciate how good I am"

Everything he does, everything he says..it is all about HIM, not at all about the recipient of the words. He betrays this when he often asks for a compliment back..like when telling Marc he should have rected better to Roddy forgiving him..or just now telling Lisa his compliments to her would be even better if only....

Think back to all the times he says how good he is. IT IS ALL ABOUT HIM, in his mind. It is NEVER about what he is saying to other people. In his mind, it is always about how good HE is BECAUSE he is saying these things to other people.

I hope I am making myself clear??? is that understandable?

C1mag

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Rod you made your SELF clear :)

I totally get what you are saying. Everything he says is structured to build himself up on a level of worship. They are wrong, he is right and if you dare to question his actions you are puting your integrity on the line and the world knows this and will hold you accountable for every thinking a negative thought about him.

Cameltoes

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1, I wasn't "onto" him at the time but he had a conversation with Eric early in the game that disturbed me even though I could not put my finger on why at the time. Basically, he told Eric that if they were in the final 3 and Eric won the last HOH, he would have no choice but to take Roddy because of their word to each other and how bad Eric would look if he broke his word EVEN if taking Roddy to the end meant losing because Roddy was more likely to win. Way back then, he was setting Eric up to fall on the sword for him. If Eric, Roddy and Marcellas were the final 3, Eric should take Roddy instead of the person he has a sure victory over? It was unbelievable to watch Eric buying into that crap.

Watching Danielle and Lisa say to each other that at some point they had to play for themselves (and Danielle and Jason basically had the same conversation when he was HOH) says a lot about those 3. They understand the game and they understand someone ultimately doing what's best for them. Nothing they could ever do would make me believe they have less integrity than Roddy. Danielle has allies. Roddy has people he can use.

Rod

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
so c1mag, what I wonder is..if we can see it so clearly (those of us who do)..how is it that others don't see it at all, or, if they do, they don't see the inherent danger of that kind of power?

Rod

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
yes cameltoes, Dani has often said..ultimately you have to do what is best for you.

Many think she is very manipulative..but she does recognize that it is a game and she does back off.

And she does keep her word.

although I do find it VERY harsh that she so wanted this nomination from MArc and now is badmouthing him for it (he broke his word to Roddy/ he betrayed Amy)

Bernie

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anyone else hear the nastiness they ALL spoke about Amy when they went back into the house last night? All the live feeds say is major ragging, but it was really horrid. Danielle and Lisa about Amy's supposed lack of underwear, and M called her worse than Chiara, and a ho. I heard D saying even more graphic stuff to Lisa when they went in for a bathroom break before that. What gets me is that it's Danielle who says she saw this, and no one else sees, and I don't believe it. If D is right, then Amy was waltzing around the kitchen jumping up and down, while bare underneath, and it's not in her nature. Sorry I don't recall who or which thread, but someone else asked the same question saying that she put her robe on top of her bathing suit and hadn't taken it off, so that seems to prove Danielle is a lying FOTH.
Right from her first handwashing diatribe in the first week, I've seen Danielle instigate things, and she's been so consistent all this time that I just see this as another example of tar and feather the next victim ahead of time. I know this thread has been mostly about how badly Roddy is behaving, but this latest of Danielle is making me sick to my stomach. It's the one thing that would really finish Amy's humiliation-kick her while she's down, Danielle, but first make her scrub your toilets and wash your dirty sheets.
Roddy, Marcellas, and Danielle = birds of a feather.

C1mag

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rod thats what I keep saying about the others in the house. They all see it but each time they get the chance to extinguish it he pulls something off with just one of them and he is safe again. What can they do? Yell at him too knock it off? Should they have kept Amy away from him tonight? This is where they lose out to him. This guy is not going to go out defeated. He will fight all the way. They should have protected her from him tonight.

Rod

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
right I agree C1mag... I am afraid I was doing a nono. I was talking about some of the posters not seeing him for what he is, not the HG's!

I should not do that (talk about posters)so I take it back

Grannygrunt

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Have company so I'm missing alot. I thought yesterday, that Amy told Dani, Lisa and Mar, that she was gonna play Roddy hard. Get him to try and trap himself. She even said that when he tried to make a deal with her, she was gonna say "I'll get back to you on that." Like I said I haven't been able to watch the feeds or read the posts but read these few that are here. Did I miss something really big. Cause I thought this was the plan all along. Wasn't she just WAITING for him to come out of DR yesterday and practicing her speech to herself and all of that? WHAT HAPPENED??

Not1worry

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 06:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wasn't she just WAITING for him to come out of DR yesterday and practicing her speech to herself and all of that? WHAT HAPPENED??

Yes, yes, yes, what happened??

I had to leave the feeds before she got a chance to "toy" with Roddy. I was hoping Dani or Lisa would not give her a chance to be alone with him. Or at least be on hand to deprogram her when she returned with glazed eyes mumbling "must save Roddy...must save Roddy..."

Rod

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
it seems she spent all night talking to Roddy in the hammock and came back in the daze that you mention Not1worry..but Marc was not awake to save her when she went to sleep in the hOH. Then Roddy moved on to chat up Lisa for over hour.

And today it starts all over again.

Countrymeadow

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What happened was she didn't have the chance. Roddy woke up and Amy really didn't have the opportunity to talk to him because both she and Jason were getting ready for their "massage". BB then woke up the whole house. Right after the massage came their dinner. There just wasn't the right time or opportunity for her to talk to him. Whether the conversation she had with him outside after dinner was her planned speech or not....we'll never know.

Grannygrunt

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Rod for the explanation but how does anyone know that it just wasn't Amy "playing" Roddy. Are they just assuming because Roddy is such a jerk that he changed her mind? Boy, when you miss a day around here things go south in a hurry. And when company leaves, hubby and I are going out of town for a couple of days. No telling where things will be when I get back. I already feel a withdrawal coming on. LOL I just read a few of the LFP but in there Amy keeps telling Roddy she doesn't know what she is gonna do. He keeps telling her she has an out but from what I can read, she just doesn't seem to be jumping up and down to use it. Sorry I know ya'll think I'm crazy but really just confused.

Rod

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
well, Granny, we are all hoping she doesn't use it...but with Amy you just never know! and she looked so confused. He really had her in a whirl.

but maybe you are right and she was laughing at him the whole time. I only watched a bit of it as it sickened me to see it happening.

I really hope you are right.

Arnold must love this..and I am sure the DR people are reinforcing her confusion as I am sure they do NOT want Roddy gone. As that news article quoted in the new twist thread, said they have ways of "fairly" manipulating the HG's to see things in ways which suit BB's best interest.

Spunky

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Westcoaster for keeping this thread up and tell us what happened during the night. I'm not too far away from you but I was tired last night and went to bed early.

I agree with Granny that maybe Amy was doing what she told the others "let me play Roddy a bit". But did she have to go that far??? Well, why not if she knows he's gone anyway...

It still creeps you doesn't it the way Roddy gets his way... either the victim is too dumb or his web is just too alluring....

Okay, here is a bet. How many of you think she'll go ahead with her "secret" speech (heck it's no longer a secret!!) and will not save Roddy. After last night I think many of you don't believe this...but I will admire Amy more if she keeps her word to the others and having managed to play Roddy as she planned.
Too good to be true?? Aaaaahhhhh, this is nervewrecking...

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Again, I would agree that Roddy's being a jerk if the original promise Amy made was under the condition that he would reciprocate it.

But from all appearances that I have found, it was Amy making the POV promise without any strings attached. So, why is she suddenly demanding something in exchange from him?

Who knows, he may actually be setting up Lisa as suggested by someone else. Or he could be sincere about his obligation. Indeed, Amy may be jealous and think that he's playing her in a relationship sense.

Can anyone clarify whether or not any strings were attached to Amy's promise to veto him in the event that he was on the block? I don't remember her talking about getting a deal in exchange when she put him on the block and expressed reluctance to win POV so that she wouldn't have to keep her promise.

Spunky

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No, it doesn't seem she made any deals other than she fully understood and agreed with the others Roddy's manipulating game, and told them "I will not use the veto but let me play Roddy a bit", something like that.
She did say she will have a speech but she kept it secret. This was good as it gave Amy freedom to change her mind. However, Roddy now knows it and he did a good job at perhaps changing her mind.
We will have to see during the day and tomorrow if the others discover what happen between Roddy and Amy last night.
It will be interesting to see their reaction.

Tortie2k

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't get the LFs so really rely on you guys' take on things.

I just don't understand why Amy (or any other HG) feels obligated to endure Roddy's mind-f*ck sessions. They all realize he has powers of persuasion way beyond their abilities to deal one-on-one. So, why not just politely shut him down? Courteously say, give me a break and leave me alone? What's the worse that can happen? Roddy is evicted and possibly won't vote for them if they're in the final 2? At this point, it's the least of their worries.

I would suck at this game.

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy's very in love with Roddy. And as a woman, I know what it is like when you crave for attention from a particular person. Despite things he's done to you and you say it's over, deep inside you you still want that person. Amy still wants Roddy. She does. And if only she knew that the other houseguests weren't any better....

Amy's heart melts around him. What upset her is that Roddy put another woman ahead of her. If Roddy had said Jason, she would not react the same way.

Anyway, based on the pattern of behaviour of people with Amy's type of desire and feeling, I predict that she will use it or volunteer herself for him to stay. What she's trying to get out of Roddy is some affectionate line. He doesn't even have to promise to save her. All he has to do is say a line like how much he appreciates her and portray her as some caring, sacrificial, adorable person. Her head would swell once again and she will save him. If he shows no regards to her vetoing power, she will be hurt that he doesn't care for her power. And that alone could motivate her to use it, since he's not even giving her the second of attention about the veto (i.e., begging her and worshipping her). She would use it to force more attention from him.

Amy should keep her mouth shut and not mention what person Roddy referred to (Lisa, that is). If she doesn't, then Marcellas would most likely put up Jason or Danielle [instead of Lisa]. At this point, I think that Roddy's willing to vote out Jason.

Spunky

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So, Jay, you make it sound predictable that she will sacrifice herself for love???
I don't mind the "playing Roddy a bit" but I would be totally disappointed if Amy did really fall for the guy.
Regardless, it should be awesome to see Roddy as the survivor, it will be the biggest drama in BB history and the expression on Dani's face will be priceless.. Watch Dani then make a deal with the 'devil'..

Countrymeadow

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Amy thinks she's going to sacrifice herself for love.....apparently she doesn't know about this conversation between Roddy and Lisa in the early morning hours this a.m.....LOL

" R: I wonder what would have happened if I had seen you first. Before Eric.
L: silence. "

Poor poor Amy.....she's being played BIG TIME!

Dee723

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy has seen the light as far as Roddy is concerned but she's not liking it. If I were in her position I would truly be torn. Here's a guy who is playing me and I KNOW he's playing me but he's so cute and convincing. Then there's my best friend who put me on the block and is accusing me of not playing the game. Well I figure I'm gone soon anyway, I've been treated badly by someone who says he cares about me so why not go out with a bang and really mess them all up? but then again why should I just give this guy who is playing me a free out? If she cares about staying another week she won't veto him, if she doesn't care about staying and has decided this is just not fun anymore she may very well take him off the block and laugh as she's walking out the door. Who knows.

Dee723

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy has seen the light as far as Roddy is concerned but she's not liking it. If I were in her position I would truly be torn. "Here's a guy who is playing me and I KNOW he's playing me but he's so cute and convincing. Then there's my best friend who put me on the block and is accusing me of not playing the game. Well I figure I'm gone soon anyway, I've been treated badly by a "friend" who says he cares about me so why not go out with a bang and really mess them all up? but then again why should I just give this guy who is playing me a free out?" If she cares about staying another week she won't veto him, if she doesn't care about staying and has decided this is just not fun anymore she may very well take him off the block and laugh as she's walking out the door. Who knows.

Dee723

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
oops sorry for the double post. It said it didn't go through.