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Saggkl

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll say one thing. Lisa or Danni had better stay really close to Marcellas every minute until the nominations, because I don't know if he can hold out against Roddy.

Kaili

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wrat1010...But the questions were about the remaining houseguests- Josh is not included in that. I also guessed that he would have said Lisa.

Dagny

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did Marc look at that Baby picture while he was in HOH? (wasn't someone expecting a baby in his family?)

Lombadier

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope Marc nominates Dani and Lisa or Dani and Jason. For his own sake, Marc needs to break those three people up.

Crossfire

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, they certainly are not taking him to the end.

Faerygdds

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wasn't it Marc who referred to Rod as being like David Koresh??? That comment intrigued me.. I would hardly think that he would want to keep someone lke that in the house. He has also stated a few times that Amy can't be trusted where Roddy is concerned, so an Amy/Roddy nomination makes sense, but he may not want to put his girl up and look bad, so he might go with a Roddy/Jason nom to be a bit more on the safe side.

Tmleafs4life

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't believe Dani threw HOH ever. She's desperate. She wants to win this like its the only thing she has to accomplish to survive in life. She fights in every competition there is, she is a person who has to compete.

Cameltoes

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think she has thrown it at least once but not this time. She certainly would not throw it before Roddy was out of the running!

Phatcat

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv...about Roddy not shaving, maybe he's going for a comb-over.

Allietex

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When he told J/L/D that they were safe did he mean from nomination or eviction. Perhaps he was assuring them that Roddy was going up so even if he did nominate one of them they were still safe.

Ericka1012

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 09:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Marc should nominate Dani and Lisa...my reason is Roddy nor Amy won't use the veto to take either off because those two need each other at this point...Jason won't use it because he'll be concerned that he'll brake his word to Kiki (vetoing either one will put Roddy in danger of being nominated). Dani against Lisa ...Dani loses...Marc, Jason, Roddy the final three...only my opinion...not sure Marc's really thinks things out by himself...so i'm sure between tonight and tomorrow we'll see how much talking Roddy and Dani can do...guess there will be no sleep in the BB house tonight

Wendo

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 10:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do see the argument about putting Roddy up over Dani because Mar would have a better chance at winning against Dani than Roddy. At this point in the game if your on BB, you have to start considering "Who can I win against in the final two". You have to. Marcellas needs to really think hard, can he win against Roddy in the end, or can he win against Dani in the end?

IMO, Mar has a much better chance of winning against Dani if they're the final two than Roddy. Mar is well aware of Roddy's influence on ALL the HG's, even the evicted ones. He11, he's seen the effect on Amy. (Remember the night with Ja, Dani, and Mar in the HRD when Ja pointed out how dangerous he was?) If Mar really thinks about it, he needs to play strategically for his own benefit. (Though, he may feel that Dani would beat him. We have the benefit of extra knowledge.)

However, we know that Mar plays, a lot of the time, emotionally. He makes decisions emotionally, rather than rationally and for his OWN benefit.

It's something that he should REALLY consider.

Gouraphik

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 10:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dunno. While Marcellas MAY do better against Danielle in the finals than he would against Roddy, he probably has a better chance of actually making it to the finals if he gets rid of Jason & Lisa first.

Unless Jason & Lisa are eliminated, Marcellas will be a sitting duck. He doesn't have to be using Jason's apparent strategy of keeping the strongest 2 HG's around to do this. If he thinks Danielle is the titan that he wants to be with, he needs to get rid of the competition. Jason & Lisa are the two satellites orbiting Planet Dani that need to be shot down.

If Marcellas helps to boot Danielle, Roddy might get him next week. If he helps to boot Roddy, Danielle will probably gun him down next week. If either Jason or Lisa are out of the picture, the pendulum swings back in his favor. He wouldn't be home free, but he'd be safer.

Muse

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it'd be in Marcellas' best interest to nominate Roddy and Lisa. Keeping Roddy in the house at this point (with everyone - even Amy - pushing for him to go) would make him very vulnerable next week. Even if he got Danielle out, he'd still have to contend with Lisa and Jason. But if he gets Roddy evicted, he only loses one potential ally, and he strengthens his bond with Danielle, Lisa, and Jason. At this point that could really help him in the game. He needs people to trust him in order to make it to the final three.

And yes - there's also the fact that Marcellas would probably be able to beat Danielle in the finals, but definitely wouldn't beat Roddy.

Roamjotiba

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Please, please, please, please
let Marcellas nominate Jason and Danielle
Lisa votes out Jason
Amy and Roddy vote out Danielle.
I liked Danielle until she started acting like the 6- pack at the beginning

Gouraphik

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 11:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He can't "keep" anybody. The best he can do is set up the noms so that the voters (3 this week) will vote out the HG that he really wants out.

Getting to the top 4 or 3 means little in the end. You've got to get to the top 2. He may well nom Roddy, but in that situation, no matter who he puts in, the advantage would go to the D/J/L team. They'd have 2 votes to Amy's 1. If Amy's up, they get all 3. And then they'd probably sacrifice Marcellas or Amy the following week, since they'd have the advantage of getting HOH (3:1).

Not a good scenario, IMHO. If he wants to ride up with Danielle, he needs to set it up so that he lives long enough to actually do so. I sort of doubt that he's thinking this far ahead, but if he wants to make it, Jason or Lisa have got to go. With one of them gone, he can slide in with the survivor and use Roddy as a shield from Danielle's (potential) wrath. He wouldn't be "safe", but he'd be much safer than he would be with Roddy & Amy gone at this stage in the game.

If he's hoping that D/L/J will collapse before they gun him and Amy down, then he's dreaming. Hope is for dopes. When you're HOH, you've got to set up the situation so that it works in your favor the following week. If you don't, you're toast.

Wendo

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing is, though, Mar isn't aware of how strong D/J/L are (And, are they really three together? Dani's kept her Ja alliance pretty underground.) All Mar knows is that they'd like Roddy gone. In fact, he questioned last week whether Ja has a deal with Roddy (they did) so he can't "see" the Dani and Ja alliance. With Lisa, she doesn't seem to gravitate anywhere, so he's not certain of her either. The only person he's been somewhat certain with is Dani; he's just unaware of her alliance with Jason.

Draco

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 05:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think he will put up Roddy and Jason. I think Roddy is the target this week even though I don't think this is really in Marcellus's interest if he wants to be in the final two. He'll pick Jason since it would look bad for him to put Amy up and since Jason has a friendship with Roddy and would likely be a vote to keep in the house. This way Jay can't vote and Roddy will go.

I hope I'm wrong.

Romans8_1

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 05:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Prediction ... Lisa and Jason are up.

Here's why.

1) helps break up the L/J/D alliance (as long as D does not get veto)

2) this is key *** - keeps both D and R in the game. This is guaranteed to keep them focused on each other and off of Marc/Amy. If D gets it next week, then R is up and vice-versa. Then if A/M get it the next week, they pick off the other D/R that didn't get evicted. This will put A/M/(L/J) in the final 3.

All this will work barring the veto being used.

Only 2 people would use the veto in this scenerio
1) Danni to save Lisa (knowing those 2 could save J)
2) R to save J

Whatcha think?

Jagger

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 06:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My prediction Roddy and Jason with the hopes of getting Roddy out, not sure if that will happen, Lisa is still a wild card. She may feel better going against Roddy in the final than up against Jason or Danny, although she does feel some loyalty toward Jason for saving her when she was up against Eric. Amy would vote to keep Roddy

If Mars puts up Lisa and Jason he will be put up next week, both Roddy and Danny would be upset with him.

Gina8642

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 06:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope he puts up Roddy and Dani.
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Likely Result:

I figure Roddy will go.

-Jason will have a tough choice, but his first loyalties lie with Dani.
-Lisa will easily pick D to stay
-Amy could go either way, but it doesn't matter, Dani will have majority to stay.
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Justifing his vote

Marcellus can justify his nomination of Dani by saying D has never gone up before, and it is her turn, and that she is safe anyway.

Marc can justify his nom of Roddy by saying he is a threat at the end, and by this point in the game people you like must be nominated, so it's time to eliminate threats even if you like them.
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POV use.

I don't think anyone would Veto out Roddy at this point. And there would be no point in taking D out. If someone did then Marc could put up Li or Ja and Roddy would still go.
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Strategy

Dani will freak out to some degree with being nom.d and will probably go overboard a bit with showing her hand to Ja and Li. Therefore possilbly weakening her bonds with them a bit, which may increase Marc's chances in a final 2 vote. Even if it doesn't sway Li or Ja's final vote, it may persuade the votes of other former HGs who also vote in the end.
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Alternatives

If Marc's doesn't have nerve to do this, I think a Roddy/Jason nomination is the second most strategically beneficial to Marc and the result will be similar.

Bailey

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 06:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
How would this be for an exciting week:

Marc puts up Roddy and Lisa...
Amy wins POV and vetoes Roddy...
Marc has no choice but to put in Dani or Jason.

What would he do? And who would get voted out?

Ambie

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What time are the nominations?

Crazydog

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe they are around 4 pm BB time.

Wrat1010

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think that Marc should put up Roddy unless he plans to come clean about his earlier pact with Roddy, because it's not going to absolve him of that. Putting up Josh for eviction didn't win back trust for Chiara. It just made everyone lose even more trust in her

If Marc wants to put up Roddy, he needs to come clean. He should tell Danielle that he truly hates Roddy as much as she does, and that the purpose of forming that alliance was to mislead Roddy into thinking he had regained some power and prevent him from going to Amy or Lisa to form a final two alliance. In other words, he was being a double agent behind Danielle's back, but that he was doing it to protect her and Jason.

Otherwise, I think he should put up Danielle and Jason -- since if they're not going to trust him, they are his biggest threats. They'll use that as a reason to evict him after Roddy goes in the same way they booted Chiara after Josh was gone.

Gina8642

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ugh - That means I have to wait 'til 7 o'clock??!!??

I wonder if Dani can resist going to Marcellus and talking strategy with him for the next 7 hours. Marc has said many times he wants no input on his vote. He didn't like how past HOHs 'held court' before the nominations. (My words, not his, but I think that's his point.)

Crazydog

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Is Marc aware of the fact that Lisa has replaced him in the original D/M/J alliance? Does he honestly think he is still with Danielle? If he realizes what is good for him, he MUST team up with Roddy and nominate any combination of Dani, Lisa or Jason. If the veto is used, the third one goes up. He wants to see a Clash of the Titans, but if Dani survives then he and Amy are toast. Put up Dani and Jason!

Solitaire30606

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope Marc puts up someone who gets HOH next week and gets him out.

Gina8642

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you Crazy, but I'm not sure he is smart or gutsy enough to do that.

Pesto

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Romans You are dead on accurate!

I was about to post that the best move from his perspective is to put up Lisa and Jason. This meets all his needs AND is the past of least resistance...

1) Doesn't need to put up Amy, Roddy, or Danielle (He would have a hard time doing this without having a strong decoy excuse)
2) He would keep alliance with Rod and Dan.
3) He would break up D/L/J and put himself closer to Dan (even though she won't like it).

It's brilliant. Only problem is PoV: Danni HAS to throw it (and lie). Rod would save J (no skin off his back), and A or M wouldn't use it.

If this works, Lisa is gone and then Mars can try to ride Roddy/Dan through to the next week. Amy remains his albatross :)

This is the logical thing to do, therefore Marsalis won't do it :)

Pesto

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Regarding the HoH comp: I think Dani attempted to throw after the first question. He body language was fake as hell; she threw it.

Roddy definitely threw it at the end. He got the last 2 questions wrong on purpose. smart boy...

Gina8642

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually thought everybody appeared to be trying to win for once. Even Lisa. She even answered that 'Pose for Playboy' question. She could have used that as an excuse to get that one wrong.

If they wanted to throw it, they could have deliberately got the first question wrong. That is what Dani and Lisa appeared (IMO) to do the previous week.

Snogrl

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This waiting in the backyard with only a few hours until nominations has got to be driving Roddy and Danielle crazy. No private lobby time. It'll be interesting after they are let back in and everyone has had their shower.

Wendo

Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Dani threw HOH either. Her reaction after realizing she was out (she sort of stomped and jumped up and down) indicated she was going for it. There was no benefit to that body language because no one saw it, she was still in the partition. (Don't forget, Gerry told her HOH was in her best interest...for survival.)