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TV ClubHouse: Archive: ? is Can Amy Keep Up the Facade?: Archive through September 02, 2002

Jimmer

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, I don't understand why you think that Amy should not be in the house. Big Brother makes the rules (that's why they're "Big Brother"). Plus the houseguests didn't "invite" her back. They didn't have any choice (other than having Eric back). Going by your version, Marc shouldn't be in the house either as Big Brother shouldn't have been allowed to make the veto rule.

C1mag

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wait a second Jimmer... That house did invite her back in. That majority still in that house voted for her to come back. Bigbrother didn't hand pick her to come back in. Bigbrother just set up the twist. After she got hoh, put up Chiara and threw a hissy she announced to Marc and Dani that she was not there to play the game nor win the money. She just wanted to get rid of chiara and have some fun. In other words make a mockery of the whole game. This is why I say she shouldn't be there.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
c1 i agree with you that she owes them some loyalty for what they have done for her but disagree that she shouldnt be there. She played by the rules that were set up. It isnt her fault that the game was set up that way. Amy doesnt make the rules. I just find it amazing that
1) roddy sent her packing
2) roddy set up ord
3) roddy voted against her and for eric
4) roddy tried to get her booted again last week
Amd she doesnt seem to care about any of that when the rest of the people have tried to help her and themselves several times.

Jimmer

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They invited her back in because they felt she was the lesser of two evils and they had no real choice. It wasn't like they all got together and pleaded with BB to bring her back! Those same people also voted her out unanimously, so I'm not sure she really owes them a whole lot. That said, I do agree that it is frustrating that she doesn't want to play to win.

Bmh

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Theo it amazes me..however my perception of last night was that Amy was playing Roddy..because usually Amy opens her big mouth and tells Roddy everything and this time did not give to much away..ya they filrted but I think Amy really has Roddy's number now and knows what she is doing..I have total faith in her that she will not use the veto..I mean the whole house will hate her and she will be a social outcast..that is the last thing that is on her mind..I mean she already made up her speech she is so excited about it..I dont see her changing her mind over-night..I mean course Roddy still has today to work on her..but I seriously doubt Amy will fall right back into his arms..she has already seen the light Roddy will have a tough time blinding her again..and obviously Amy must be for real because she friggin wants to apoligize to chiara too

Creampuff

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Many good points of view brought up here, BUT, in this game I don't think there are any 'Rights' (many wrongs though!) and no fair or unfair stuff. It's a cutthroat game and whatever 'is', just 'is'!!

Observerx

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As far as I'm concerned Amy is above all of them. She did not ask to be sequestered, she did not ask for the twist that gave her a chance to come back, she had no choice in being voted back in. No, she has not been playing the game as the others have and I commend her for that. Everything the other houseguests have done have been for their own gain and not as a favor to Amy. She owes them nothing.

As far as making a mockery of the whole game... It is a game, not the Presidential Election (hehe- there's a mockery worth getting worked up about!) She has done everything that "the house" has wanted and still has them plotting to remove her behind her back. A game should be for fun, learning and experience. The cash (though who couldn't use it or who wouldn't want it) is incidental (at least for Amy - so what!).

It appears to me that life and friendships are more important to her than anything else while the others are so dead set to run over anybody to get to the end... The means do not justifiy the end. She is young and she is learning, in spite of her dog-eat-dog "friends".

It is a game. A game that shows just what depths people will go to win some money. Several people in there have made fools of themselves and degraded their image in the eyes of others, all for naught.

In my opinion, whether she leaves this game with or without a cash prize, she is the ultimate winner.

C1mag

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
she has done everything that the house has wanted? Uh are we watching the same show? and yes it is a mockery of the game to announce that you are not there for the game or the victory. she most definitely had a choice to come back. When asked how much money she would give to get in she could have said... NOTHING!! When asked how long she would eat pb&j she could have said Not one day!! She wanted back in but for all the wrong reasons. However, I suppose if you like Amy then all of that falls on deaf ears which is cool but at least keep it honest. Just like the last time she was there she has screwed up again. When she walks out it will be in tears once again. Tears she generated by making a mess of things once again.

Mollywood

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think amy is doing very well at the game, shes been nominated over and over and as someone pointed out, she didnt ask to come back...that was the game. but in addition, if she goes.how are we going to continue watching this dull bunch...i guess marci will be slightly entertaing, but without amy he is just plain creepy mean...lisa nice..who cares...and danielle, weve seen her best plays..i hope Amy is playing Roddy, and Marci..i feel Marci played her from the beginning and indicated it enought with his "cant keep up the act" remark to Dani. oh yeah, Jason, nice but i didnt even remember him when i wrote the above . hes just not there basically

Gidget

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Has it occured to anyone that saying she is there for the game, not the money IS Amy's strategy? Amy would like the money. Who wouldn't. At any stage in life being handed $300K is big. She's just not focusing on it as she knows it is a 1 in 12 chance, 1 in 6 now.

Amy gets on my last nerve but I respect her as a player and I think she is doing as well as any of them.

Efilon

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1 you keep going on about how Amy owes it to D and her minions to not save Roddy and how it's her fault he's not out because of the Chiara promise that Dani made. They had a chance to get rid of Roddy before she came back if I remember right, if Dani had not assured Amy that she had the three votes to get Chiara out Amy wouldn't have put Roddy up and Jason had a chance to put R up and passed it up. Why is it that they are all still okay and Amy is an idiot. They have all let Roddy get by. Whichever one of them R or A that survives this eviction is my choice to win the whole game.
Has anyone ever thought that maybe Amy's saying she's just there to have fun and not play the game is just a ploy by her to keep them from getting rid of her? Not saying that is the case but it could be, we have no idea.

JMO

Rolandcat

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just noticed something when I was reading the Bunny Live Feed Summaries by Ocean_Islands for 8/28...Jason says that Roddy knows the FOTH comes on when people sing, that's when he makes his deals that the web or TV cannot see.

Notice on last nights LF with Roddy and Amy posted by Flyonthewall 9/1 3AM BB time

They are ending the conversation where Roddy is working Amy hard to use POV on him and FOTH for a long time?

What do you you think?

Maris

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think if BB has anything to say about this, they want Amy in the final two. The girl who was voted out unanimously comes back to the house and wins it all. I think they will orchestrate it to be Danni and Amy in the end. The southern belle against the ghetto girl, a phrase Danni uses and I am NOT making any judgment on Danni with that phrase. Danni has said on countless occassions that she wants to be in the final two and have everyone say its so ghetto.

If Shapiro can do anyting to make this happen he will. He will try and set up the HOH for Amy to win it just like he did the POV. Like Amy said as soon as she saw what the POV competition was she knew she could do it with her eyes closed.

Observerx

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag:

"she has done everything that the house has wanted? Uh are we watching the same show?"

Yes we are, but obviously each with a different bias, and that's OK.

"and yes it is a mockery of the game to announce that you are not there for the game or the victory"

I didn't say it wasn't a mockery, I just meant SO WHAT? If she chooses to play in a way that mocks the game so what? It is a game and she can play it as she chooses, just like everyone else in there.

"she most definitely had a choice to come back. When asked how much money she would give to get in she could have said... NOTHING!! When asked how long she would eat pb&j she could have said Not one day!!"

That is true, but I never said I thought she was stupid. She did play within the guidelines/twist set forth by Big Brother. She had the same chance to come back as the others-- she just happen to win.

"She wanted back in but for all the wrong reasons."

According to who's rulebook of reasons? Her reasons are just as valid as anyone else there, even if they aren't the same as someone elses.

"However, I suppose if you like Amy then all of that falls on deaf ears which is cool but at least keep it honest."

I do like Amy. And everything I said was based my personal opionin, colored by the fact that I do like Amy. But, who's not being honest? Me? You? Big Brother? It seems to me that honesty is what is being made a mockery of in that house.

The only problem I ever have with posters on this board (in general) is when an opionion is stated as "how it is", when it's not. It's an opinon. And thank God for diversity.

Bizee

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Boy I'd love to see some thoughts from former girlfriends of R. His friends during their interview were clued in to his charm. Just curious to see a womans perspective, if he is as psychologically devious as he has been in the house.

The more I watch him, the more frightening he becomes.

Observerx

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
How many ways can someone mess up the word "opinion"? hehehe

Jimmer

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Would you like an opinoin on that opinom? Sorry ... couldn't resist.

Observerx

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 10:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I did ask, Jimmer :)

Observerx

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Back to the original headline... I really hope that Amy does stick to her guns, plays Roddy like a violin and then gives him her Veto Meeting speech. I hope she has a chance to give them all a good "lecture" before she leaves there. Turn-about is fair play, no?

I would be really dissapointed if Amy falls back under his spell when it has become so obvious to everyone there (including her) that Roddy is a serious psychological manipulator. Amy is a bit out of her league there, but at least she has the guts to go for it and play him at his own game.

Allietex

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy does not owe it to Dani and company to not use the veto. She owes it to herself. Roddy says she owes him a veto because of the box competetion. True. But he owes her one because she saved his rear against the wishes of the house and put herself in jeapordy do do so. So he owes her one. And he knows she saved him but when she asked for a vote if she used the veto he would not even promise her that. IMHO her debt to Roddy is cancelled out by his debt to her.
She should not use the veto, and next week win HOH and use that power to make some deals.Who knows she just might pull it off.

Bastable

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When it comes to Amy maintaining her facade, I almost trust her more when she's drunk than when she's sober. Like many people with alcohol issues, she's supremely in control of her appearance when she's liquored up.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Amy immensely, but I don't think her getting drunk is helping her game plan.

There is a small possibility that those HGs out of the house may get disgusted with Dani's extreme bashing of Amy tonight. That could potentially favor Amy in a final two vote. However, I don't see how she could recover opinion enough in the house at this point to survive to final 2.

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 11:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That is assuming that Amy doesn't get herself kicked out on Thursday by annoying everyone else so much. Roddy's made it this far by being the lesser of two evils, he could do it again.

Wcv63

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She seems completely sober, lucid and totally aware of what's up in the house right now.

I find it totally amazing that she was so drunk just an hour or so ago.

Krossd

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 12:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Post drunk, post hammock midnight - Amy talking to Marc... she is sober now, and is confirming that she will NOT take Roddy off tomorrow. So, she had her 'play' and she held! For the first time she has gotten points from me.

Good going Amy :-)