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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Archive One: The Shower Scene: Archive through August 27, 2002

Cyn

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sent an email to the moderators asking them to fix a post of mine in the LFs. but, thought I would drop the note in here in case someone reads it and construes it to mean something else.

in tonight's, Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 12:16 am's post by me, i attributed a sentence to Gerry when it was Marcellas who said it.

marcellas said the following line, NOT Gerry.

M - Who do I have to f’k to stay on the show; who do I have to f-k to get off the show.?

Just wanted to make sure no one thought that Gerry said that cause HE DID NOT say it. Marcellas said it.

Ocean_Islands

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 05:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think this is being blown out of proportion.

This is Gerry's inept way of playing the exact same game that Roddy is playing. "You can be attracted to me and I'll take care of you, it's ok." Unfortunately Gerry and Roddy's attractiveness are completely different things, so while Marcellus eats Roddy's game up, he hates the same thing from Gerry.

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Rissa

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Boy, I left this thread before the time-out yesterday and oh my heck if it isn't still going strong. LOL Draheid, your question is the exact reason I do NOT find it all creepy. It DID NOT happen with one of the women. If one of the women was in the shower and another came up to talk at the door, it wouldn't be an issue and it's not as issue with the two guys. We saw a 5 second clip!! It's not like Gerry was standing there for 45 minutes without saying anything, just staring. He was talking to Marc., asked him if it bothered him, Marc. said *NO, not at all* but remember the camaras and Gerry backed off. 5 seconds!! I wouldn't want another woman having a conversation with me while I was in the shower, but I wouldn't find it *creepy*, I just have a different level of modesty. I am repeating myself but Marc. HATES Gerry and finds everything he does offensive. Marc. had no problem being nude in front of the other HG's.. why is it Gerry's problem that he isn't aware of the hyprocrisy?

Crazydog

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rissa, LOL. I really thought this thread was going to die. But cause you mentioned it, it is a conversation between two men, IMO, a man might talk to another man in the shower, yes. But I think it is peculiar if one man looks into the shower and stares at the other's naked groin while doing so.

My conclusion from all of this is that Gerry is just socially inept. He has no concept of how his actions are perceived by others. I feel sorry for his family that they have to witness this.

Theo17

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know a lot of this converstaion is slanted over if Gerry is in to guys as well as ladys.
Well no offense to anyone but I'd rather not think of Gerry naked, sweating and thursting his hips with a guy or a girl.

Ocean_Islands

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 12:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I detect a double standard here. Why was there no outcry over Chiara's admission of her lesbian encounters with four women, not to mention her nude shower with Tonya?

Maris

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 12:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ocean, the difference might be that Chiaras activities were consentual between two people. Why should there be an outcry over Chiaras encounters. The issue regarding Gerry and Marcellas is that Marcellas found offense to Gerry's HANGING over the shower door and leering at him. Marcellas told him to back off and he did but it was just one more thing about Gerry that got on Marcellas last nerve. I believe that Gerry does this stuff to grate on Marcellas nerves. I realize I am one of the few on this site who thinks that Gerry is a homophobe and absolutely does not accept Marcellas homosexuality despite what his words are. Gerry says one thing and then later other stuff slips out. Like when he was talking to Danni and he told her he was a Republican who admired George Bush and "hated" limousine liberals. Sounds like conservative speak to me. His party affiliation doesnt matter to me but when you say things like you hate "limousine liberals" that sounds like right wing speak to me.

Zoomerkitty

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 12:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Let's switch the whole scenario around and say that Jason was in the shower and Marcellas went over and was openly hanging over the door staring in... Jason could see this as a major violation of privacy. Why can't Marcellas claim the same feelings of violation? The shower seems to be the only place that the houseguests can go an be completely alone if they choose to do so. Comparing the Gerry / Marcellas episode to the 3 women in the shower scene can't be done. Chiara, Lisa and Tanya did it to be provocative and wanted to be looked at. Marcellas was going about his daily hygiene routines and there has to be somewhere in the house that is sacred! If he had indicated a flirtation in anyway towards Gerry (and maybe this was edited out) then he only had himself to blame. BUT, if Gerry just took it upon himself to just take a look at Marcellas while he was showering, this was just strange and perverted behavior and I would be pissed off too!

Maris

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 12:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Remember, people will judge you by your actions, not your intentions. You may have a heart of gold -- but so does a hard-boiled egg."
-Anon.

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Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
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Lovemarc

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"I detect a double standard here. Why was there no outcry over Chiara's admission of her lesbian encounters with four women, not to mention her nude shower with Tonya?"

Maris is correct. The issue has nothing to do with being attracted to the same sex (which is perfectly fine). Its about overtly checking out Marcy's goodies without permission.

Doesn't make him gay or bi. It is just strange behavior.

Missy2

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Zoomerkitty!

Ocean_Islands

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Its about overtly checking out Marcy's goodies without permission. "

Marcellus has been doing this since day one, with his comments to Roddy, Jason, and who knows who else. I never heard of him asking for permission.

Theo17

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why would there be outcry over kiki showing the world voluntarily how trashy she has acted in her life?
Kiki without trashy sex storys is like chicken mcnuggets without the dipping sauce.

Lovemarc

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Marcellus has been doing this since day one, with his comments to Roddy, Jason, and who knows who else. I never heard of him asking for permission."

Saying Roddy has a nice ass is different than looking in the shower to check it out. The shower is a private place unless you choose to invite others in for a show.

Draheid

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
fan
Looks like this is needed!

Twiggyish

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the fresh air Dra, we needed it.

Anyone for corned beef rehash?

Sheila494

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i must say that the shower scene was rather bizzare..but gerry says that he has no problem with things like that because he is very comfortable with his own sexuality..and not really knowing the man..i think we should take his word for it..and not read anything more into it.

Carigsby

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<self edited because I didn't realize what I mentioned was in full-flame mode in another thread>

Theo17

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sheila lol the question then becomes comftortable with what kind of sexuality?????? LOL a day with out gerry bashing is not going to happen even if he leaves

Wendo

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just to clarify, at the time, Gerry and Marcellas were having a CONVERSATION. The show did not show this. Many times, HG's have had conversations where one has gone up to the shower door to talk. I'm sure Gerry has seen this many times and thought it was acceptable.

While he and Mar were talking, he went up to converse quietly. He then asked politely if it was ok. Mar asked him to step back.

Gerry was NOT "leering" or "staring" at Mars "package". There was a conversation going on, we just did not see it on the show. (It was, however, on the live feeds.)

Sheila494

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i thought about it that way too theo.

Sheila494

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
thank you wendo..helps to know that.

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ocean wrote:
<Marcellus has been doing this since day one, with his comments to Roddy, Jason, and who knows who else. I never heard of him asking for permission.>

--excellent point!!

Saphyre

Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo,

I agree as though I don't have the live feeds, reading it I got the impression that they were having a conversation. The thing that bugs me is that Gerry did ask if it bothered Marc and Marc said "No" but then mentioned the cameras. Yet behind Gerry's back, Marc turns it into a big deal and how awful it was. If he did not like it, why didn't he just tell Gerry that it did bother him and that he would prefer to shower in privacy.

Course I think that is the thing that bugs me with all of them with Gerry. Lori went a little overboard that first time, but it is like they all prefer to say things behind Gerry's back rather than just letting him know if something that he is doing is bothering them. From Gerry's reaction that first week after Lori stepped in and got them to talk to Gerry, he is open to being told something he has done bothered someone and is willing to be more concientious.

Course this is a little off topic, but during the same show they are showing Gerry in such a bad light with the shower scene and all, they show Dani in a good light with her dancing and yet it seems none of the hgs were upset that she was dancing on the counter where they fix their food while barefoot.