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Willow_Woman

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Twiggyish, because if he was honest with Gerry then Gerry would stop, and Marc would not have anyone to bash or talk behind their back or mock or make fun of or...

Obviously, as we see with regard to Marc, there are some people in the world who just *live* for that type of drama.

Goddessatlaw

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Truthfully, I didn't think anything of it. I didn't see that Gerry was intentionally leaning over the door to stare at Marc's jungle junk. If I did, that would be a different story. But I figure guys run around like that in locker rooms, anyway, and personal space as regard to nudity is less than that with women. Women are provided with stalls and doors. Men just sort of have to DEAL. Marc did what he needed to do in a very diplomatic way, and Gerry respected the request. Would it occur to me to hang over a shower for a discussion of strategy? No, but that it didn't seem weird to Gerry doesn't strike me as odd, either. Particularly when raising a family like Gerry is, there is no such thing as personal space. I think it just didn't figure into his reckoning.

Willow_Woman

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with ya' Earthmother. Seems to be a double standard in the house. If Gerry was young and handsome, do you think the girls would be saying he "stared" at them all the time? I doubt it. If Gerry were to lie on the lazy susan with his legs up in the air spinning, *everyone* of the other hgs would run for the panic button. And yet, and yet it's o.k. for Chiara to do that.

(Man, I just scared *myself* with that Gerry/Lazy Susan image. Yick. I've gotta go watch t.v. now and get that picture out of my mind.)

Twiggyish

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, I agree Willow.

Sea, it's possible Gerry is clueless about body language. I know it doesn't seem possible. He just isn't aware of how some of the others feel, either. That's why I think Marc should tell Gerry to stop.

Bohawkins

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When I was in undergrad school, I lived for a while in a dorm. This was in the days prior to gay awareness, and therefore prior to homophobia. Groups of guys often congregated in the men's room, and talked to each other while one or two of the guys were sitting on the commode performing normal excretory functions (today, that would seem just too smelly to me, if nothing else). These were commodes without privacy panels (because as I said, it was before homophobia), and no one tried to hide any parts of their anatomy or cared. Further, the shower room was completely open, without panels or doors, and used by many guys at a time without fear of being exposed. Many fully clothed guys would stand looking into the shower room to talk about whatever subjects were in the air. No one thought a thing about it. Maybe Gerry had a similar experience growing up, and doesn't know that it is no longer appropriate for guys to see each other naked without there being some wrongful conclusions drawn, or perhaps being turned gay (I guess it was in the early 90's when it was first discovered that seeing another man naked could turn you gay).

Goddessatlaw

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Bo - that's what I was trying to say. Where I went to school, everything regarding the women's bathroom gave homage to veiling; the men's bathrooms were completely without doors on the stalls or curtains on the showers. From a female vantage point, the reaction was "YEW", but the guys didn't think anything of it because it had always been that way for them. And none that I know of turned gay from the experience.

Whit4you

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bo that's what I've been saying - he's a teacher... went through school back in the day you know? Went through what 6 years of college etc? AND teaches in a school that I'm sure has locker romos so to him it's just NOT that big a deal. The problem I have here is Marc will just do anything to bash Gerry and so will some other people. The fact that Marc want's privacy - ? Woudl Marc be offended if Gerry were to get in the hot tub nakid? Did he care that it might offend others? NO. The double standard in that house is beyond pathetic really.

If he wants privacy perhaps they should send him home so he can get it.

Allietex

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
On another board I suggested tongue in cheek that Dani and Roddy were really in an alliance and doing all their plotting where running water would cover their conversation. However, I have wondered sometimes if they are really doing that. Do the mics in the shower pick up all the sound? And do the hgs know that if it is true. How many times in the movies have we seen people turn on the water to hide their conversation?
If Gerry and Marcy were talking game that might have been the reason Gerry was so close. Remember when Gerry asked Marcy if it bothered him Marcy said "No, not at all" then reminded Gerry that the cameras come on if 2 people are in the shower.
If it really bothered him all that much why did he not say to Gerry that it did and would he mind not doing it. He didn't. Why do these people tell Gerry they don't mind when he does something and then talk about it behind his back. Don't they have the backbone to speak up? They are just looking for something to complain about. And yes editing can make something seem totally different from what really happened. If you only saw the tv show you would have no idea that they were talking about the game as Marcy himself later said. Why is it creepy for Gerry to do what everyone else does.
Lisa complained about Gerry looking at her and said something about him having a daughter her age and that made him a pervert. What? Do they think a man quits looking at a pretty girl just because he is 50 and has grown children? Please! Do these people think a person's sexuality goes away because they get overweight or turn fifty? They are in for a big surprise.

Hosewater

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
20 years ago, when I was in college (just aged myself, didn't I?) the dorm I lived in was men only (not like today with co-ed everything). Anyway, the shower on my floor was one big room with about 12 nozzles, 4 on each of three walls.

I hated it.

Ten years later, I was visiting campus and took a little stroll down memory lane by touring my old dorm.

Surprise surprise! Stalls had been built into the shower room, with curtains and everything. No more communal showering. Privacy for everyone!

Missed it by a decade.

Kapow

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LMAO I suffer from post traumatic stress disorder from bathing with my brother and sister when I was 2. My parents are evil EVIL people for doing this to me. AND,to top it off, I was FORCED to bathe in the locker room with other females. No matter that there were stalls.... I still am hurt by this. Then, I went to COLLEGE, that hotbed of sexual infractions. I blame my parents for trying to better my life by sending me to higher education where I had to bathe next to other females. And to top it off, that experience MADE me gay. I hate my parents. They ruined my life. Damn.

**This is just a joke. Please do not adjust your browser or TV screen, it is only a joke.

PS: If you can read this, thank a t-shirt.

Allietex

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey, don't you think it was Gerry's reading Marc's body language that caused him to ask if it bothered him?
Yes, it is Marc right judge whether he wants to have someone lean over the shower door, and obviously all he had to do was say so. When Marc asked Gerry to back off he did so immediately. He did not as one poster said continue to stare at Marc repeatly ask him to back off.

Goddessatlaw

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kapow - I'm laughing too hard to make sense, but I feel your pain. My dad used to throw all five of us (we're all within a total of 6 years) in the bathtub at the same time when we were little, get out his baritone ukele and sing "Ain't Gonna Rain No More" to us while we all cried. To this day, I remember having to take a late night shower because they found out my older brother had whizzed in the bathwater earlier without them knowing it. None of us turned gay from the experience, but could you blame us if we did?

Kapow

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LMAO goddess. My favorite baby pic is of the four of us in the tub all holding our favorite toys. Naked as jaybirds and not conscious of that. And, AMAZINGLY ENOUGH, we are all straight. Boy weren't we lucky to make it through it all.

I'll even have to forgive my folks for showing that pic of me at 4 to my high school boyfriend many moons ago. Seems I escaped from the bath to continue a card game in my cowboy hat and birthday suit. I should turn them in to the authorities for that one lol.

Willow_Woman

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good heavens, Goddessatlaw!! Say, have you ever tried to use this as a defense? If I were on the jury and heard that one, I'd vote to acquit! Much, much better than any insanity plea!

Goddessatlaw

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No, Willow Woman, but I have had to voir dire just about every jury with the question "will you promise not to hold it against my client if I fail to prove I'm not incontinent?" Reason: I spill a pitcher or glass full of water all over my skirt before every jury trial - sometimes just before the jury is brought in. Just a christening of the proceedings, in my opinion, for good luck. But it still doesn't look good.

Willow_Woman

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG! You are so funny! I can just see you doing that.

Draheid

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Let me ask this again!
What if it had been anybody else in that house besides Marcellas?
What if it had been one of the female houseguests??
Do you think they would have been so casual about it???
I don't think they would have tolerated it. They would have labeled Gerry as perverted and possibly even demanded that Big Brother eject him from the house!!
Marcellas hasn't said another word about this particular incident before or after the show itself so why does it seem to bother so many people?

JMO - FWIW

Goddessatlaw

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What the hell, if you can't laugh at yourself in this lifetime you're never going to make it through. And you can't ask the judge to delay the trial just because of pro forma pretrial humiliations. So you just do that donkey in a hailstorm impersonation: i.e., hunker down and take it.

Hosewater

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
creepy

Is this creepy?

Goddessatlaw

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Naw, he air dries, Hosewater.

Whit4you

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dra - lets see ...pick a houseguest any houseguest...say Amy - what if Amy walked around the backyard nakid - got in the hottub nakid..and a week or two later Gerry was talking to her while she showered...you think she'd demand his ejection from the house? LOL um you know she probably would she's not the brightest bulb in the house.

Victoriafla

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't read all the posts on this thread but that scene with Gerry and Mar gave me the creeps. I thought it was odd he looked over the glass door, weird. Maybe he was just checking out the competion, who knows.

Earthmother

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Gerry didn't start singing "Is that all there is?" then my bet is that he wasn't lookin'.

Draheid

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Oh, Earthmother, You've done it again..."in the inimitable Jim Backus voice I thought this thread was finally going to die and disappear! :(

Earthmother

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's sooooo hard for me to let go...lol