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Vanillarose

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 03:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
First I'll post a re-cap of his nom. speech:

Amy you have been my best friend within this house and I cried when you left, I cried when you came back. I cried when they showed a picture of us at dinner. But I have to be honest, since you've come back to the house, we have all talked about people contributing things that are positive and good to the house. I have had many conversations with you in the past about things that I did not personally like. These are conversations that I dont feel you have listened to and I am not saying this to hurt you, to be mean spirited because I truly love and adore you and I want you to know that this is not personal, this is not a reflection, this more of ....Amy says "the game?," No its not the game, don't belittle it. To put your key in that box, I would have rather put my own in there. It wasn't about the game. I think that there are things that you miss during conversations, there are chances you have to interact with people that you blow right by. Roddy said it during his nomination of you and at the time I did not believe it. Since you've been back in the house, I have seen you do it to each and every person at this table. This is a game and we want to play it about people who should be here and are trying to play the game in a certain way. You haven't been playing the game kindly and that tears me apart. And I am not happy to sit here in front of God and these people and anybody who is watching this show and say that.

--- Ok, a couple of things: Perhaps he feels that they are, or were, such close friends that he is telling her things that are in her best interest, even though they are painful to hear. Remember these are pretty much things he's tried telling her all along. Also, I think he's just plain tired of babysitting her (which would explain his over-reaction and irritation about the ring.) Strategically, it's a smart thing for him to distance himself from her at this point. How better to distance himself from her than to do it publicly? Sure, I still think it was mean, but I think he had his reasons, which may not have been completely heartless.

Shyguy

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 03:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nothing like a little cruelty and total humiliation to get a point across.
Marcellas is a sorry excuse for a human being.

Maris

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 03:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well if she stays and gets HOH, her next nomination speech should be "Marcellas, be careful what you wish for you might get it. I have decided to honor your wish from my nomination and I put your own key in the box" You are welcome sugar.

Now if you all will excuse me I am going stay in the HOH room alone and drink my citronas.

Screeminmeemie

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 03:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris.............hee hee hee hee hee hee

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, but without someone prodding her to do that, (Roddy) as much as I love Amy, I doubt she'd nominate Marcellas on her own. She'd be alienating herself more than she already was. Without some opposing force in the house for her to align with (Roddy) Amy's just gonna get walked all over by the rest of the house. Don't get me wrong, they're all nice people and they'd walk all over her in a loving way, (to her face anyway) but they'd still walk all over her.

Angelbleu

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Unless she gets HOH they plan on walking all over next week no matter what she does the rest of this week.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Vanillarose -

I think you may be right about why Marc did that. It was still a mistake. However,

He is not helping her - she is already aware of the issues fellow HGs have with her. Humilating her will not make her a better person, it will just humiliate her.

He is not helping himself - his fellow HGs thought the speech was cruel. They cannot believe this is how he treats his 'friends'. They lost all trust in him.

It was very cruel, I personally think he is trying desperately to fit in with the 'in' crowd, and especially with Danielle. So, he picked on all of Amy's faults that bother Danielle.

While I agree Amy has character faults, I find hers much less obnoxious than Dani's.


Everyone has character faults. There is no such thing as a perfect person. When you are someone's friend, you can either overlook the faults, or subtly try to help them change. Calling them out on National TV, is not a what a friend does.

I guess Amy is being a bigger friend than Marcellus. Because she is forgiving him for one of his character faults - being unable to trust those who love him.

Cherylbinnc

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
His method and timing were in *his* best interests, not hers.

I don't blame him for being tired of babysitting her and I do think it is strategically wise to distance himself from her. Those reasons certainly justify his decision even though he needs no justification to nominate anyone for any reason, but to insist it's not about "the game" is absurd and any pretense at altruism is ridiculously transparent.

During his speech to Amy he was simply on his high horse, and not about to agree with anything she said. Had he begun to say "it's not...." and had she interrupted him by saying "it's not about the game" he would have cut her off and said "it IS about the game".

I have always been a very big Marci fan, but because of his disgusting behavior toward Gerry, his self-righteous hypocrisy, and his prima donna tantrums, the only thing more satisfying than the look on his face when he is nominated will be the look on his face when he is evicted.

Meanwhile, I've got a lot of work to do on my character-judging abilities.

Cheryl

Kristylovesbb

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Marcy was trying to be nice and get his point across to Amy, in a nice way, then why would he call her a ho behind her back to the others. He is just a mean, cruel, 2faced, backstabbing so and so. I detest him and everything he does.

Cherylbinnc

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I forgot to add--thank you, Vanillarose, for posting his speech. I've been trying to remember exactly what he said and that was very helpful.

Cheryl

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He had no reason to say these things in a public forum like this. It was mean. He is creepy. Hope she gets HOH next week and boots him out in his white robe.

Pinky780

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe my question is out of place here: were Lisa or Jason so disturbed by Marci's speech that you feel he'd be nominated if one of them got HOH? (missed the show)

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pinky. The answer to your question is yes. It was discussed by both Danielle and Jason.

Curlyq

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd like to add my thanks also, Vanillarose. When I watched it last night I found myself confused, but seeing it in print really helps. After reading all the posts about how Marcellas mercilessly humiliated Amy and how he was so cruel and vile, I have to say it seemed like a bit of an overreaction to me so I tried to stay off the boards this morning until things calmed down a little. I think it was unfortunate that their relationship had reached this point, but I just can't see it as cruel or vile. I've heard him be both cruel and vile, and this ain't it. Now if he had never told her any of these things before, but only waited for this public forum to do it, that would've been cruel in my opinion.

It just sounds like he got fed up with everything he says going in one ear and out the other. If she annoys people and then declares herself his first lady it makes him look guilty by association. He doesn't want Amy to be his Chiara, so he used this opportunity to try to get her to take his feelings more seriously.

Kristylovesbb

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He will be nominated Pinky because they don't really like him and he is not part of the alliance. Jason and Dani are the orginal alliance and Lisa was brought into it later. All three of the them were ashamed of Marci and said if he could treat a friend that way, no way could they trust him.

Willow_Woman

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shyguy said: Marcellas is a sorry excuse for a human being

Well, half of that is right...
sorry excuse...yes
human being...no

Sunlit

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Some interesting reading here. No matter which way I examine Marci's speech, no matter what truth it may contain, an image of Amy's cleanly scrubbed face looking up at him so earnesty as he ripped her flaws on national t.v. pops into my head and I feel so saddened. The speech was unnecessary and that's the bottom line.

Kristylovesbb

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Human beings are suppose to have compassion, the ability to love and to express kindness and the forethought to consider others feelings. Marcy does not possess any of these traits. He is only kind when it benifits him!

Csnog

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Who appointed him to be a babysitter?

Who decided how Amy should act?

Who decided how anyone has to act in the house?

Who decided how you should play the game?

Who decided that it's their way or the highway?

Who decided that their way was the kind way?

Who decided NOT to be a friend?

Dilynne

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I had even a different reaction to Marcellas' little speech. I thought he was fairly transparent.

Marcellas' best friend is Amy.
Marcellas has a crush on Roddy.
Amy is also captivated with Roddy and flirts shamelessly and obnoxiously with him.
Roddy in return has bestowed his coveted attention on Amy.

Poor Marcellas (note: sarcasm here) ends up out in the cold and it felt like his best friend was trying to steal his boyfriend, and that his boyfriend was starting to like his best friend instead of him. Jealousy plain and simple is what spurred his ire. He behaved like a scorned woman... He|| hath no fury! Because of this hurt, he needed to try to "knock her down a few notches" (the same way Amy felt she needed to knock down Chiara). I don't even think he is able to admit that to himself at this point but that is definitely how it looked to me.

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Csnog--so far the answers to your questions are Marc and Dani

Csnog

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know!!!!

ha ha.

C1mag

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think his timing was off and it wasn't the forum. However, I do think what he said was dead on. It's funny that anyone would complain that he used the hoh status to chastise her but the second he got that hoh she cheered and moved right on in. I still say that Amy has had her moments with Marcellus and literally forced him into evicting Chiara. I watched a classic tantrum she threw and forced him into evicting someone he didn't want to evict at that moment. Based on that type of game play she totally deserved to be chastised about it. hoh should never dictate how the house votes but yet she did exactly that. She has said some pretty harsh, crude things about Chiara, Tonya, Gerry, and at that point Dani as well. To have a pity party for her at this point is laughable. What is going on with her is the classic, "what goes around comes around" attitude. Marcellus has been no better than her by being offensive but he at least trys to play the game with his focus on the prize. She offers him her support and then pulls back or messes up just about every time. At a certain point you are going to give up on that person. Consider he a liability and pull back for your own benefit. I'm sure the speech will haunt him, but his words were the truth. He should have said them privately.

If she does screw them all over and keep Roddy to stir things up and get back at Marcellus she has already failed in that attempt. Today they are accepting the fact that she may veto him and they aren't saying anything to her. The funny thing is they never went to her and demanded of her that she not use the veto. She came to all of them and proudly announced she wasn't going to use it. That was her choice not theirs. She took this stand after his speech and another happy night in Marcellus' hoh room. They have decided to move on in the game and come Thursday they will walk her to the door if she uses the veto on Roddy and when she gets out then it will dawn on her what she has pulled on herself. If she stays then it would be best to get rid of her. She's worse than Gerry. You just don't know what she is gonna do.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 06:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She isn't using a veto on Roddy. Get real.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 06:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
His speech was nowhere close to dead on, either. She hasn't been mean. She has basically been an aloof party girl. She likes Citrona. She has energy. She plays the game badly. He is rude. He would never have the balls to say that to Danielle or Roddy. Gutless wonder. That is all that guy amounts to in my book. False friend. Grandstanding and overly dramatic. Pffffffffft!

Litafreak

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing that ticked me off the most was what he said in the DR... he said "she needs to be a better friend" I almost dropped my Citrona! She needs to be a better friend... what kind of friend is he to her. The kind that talks about her and stabs her in the back. She needs to be that kind of friend... i don't think so.