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Maris

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 10:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
True Annitar but he also hedges his bets and I can almost guarantee you Roddy would never take a chance on Jason being in the final two even if he does think he is a knucklehead.

Uhoh

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 10:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
at this point i think the best person to be standing next to in the final 2 would be amy. they can all pretend they want to get rid of her but never do... perhaps she's now replaced gerry as the easiest to beat.

Curlyq

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 10:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Roddy and Jason were in the final 2, Roddy would probably win. All of the evicted HGs so far have left thinking the world of Roddy. Lori seemed to see him as a stand-in therapist, Tonya thought he was wonderful and didn't seem to have any kind of relationship with Jason, Eric and Josh both left thinking he was their closest friend in the house, Chiara would give him her vote because she's looking forward to the after-the-game relationship, Amy adores him, and Gerry and Marcellas would admire his skills as a gamesman. The only votes I see for Jason in this scenario would be from Lisa and Danielle.

Roddy can beat any of the others in front of the jury. I think Jason knows this and that's why he said he probably just gave him the game. I also think that's why he was in tears over it, because he not only felt like he messed things up for himself, but for the rest of the house as well.

Loppes

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 10:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone remember when they showed Jason putting the keys in the box, he said, "I just gave him the money"? Something to that effect.
Aside from other things, it tells me Jason also has his eyes on the prize. Rightfully so.
Lon

C1mag

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sorry but I don't think the kid is thinking about the money AT ALL right now. He is thinking about the journey and his experience. He has said over and over since nominations he fully expects to be out very soon and knows he did it to himself but he is happy for the experience.

He lost total focus and instead of playing the game which means getting dirty he decided on an issue that is so stupid they should have given him a special DR with Colby to tell him what a fool America thinks he is. Not only did he make a decision that puts him out there he made the game harder for the one person he says on tape that he trusts.

Are we suppose to understand him? hmmm.... This viewer sure doesn't. I think the kid is out of touch and will need therapy after the game is over. He looked like a total fool crying after not nominating the guy.

Snee

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
loppes, i agree, but i thought he said he'd given the game to roddy during a dr session. perhaps he said it twice. anyway, i think perception is a Very Interesting thing.

romans said: 'If we assume that he is being honest (which I do), then he has several times said "this will give him (Roddy) the win". If he was in it for the money, he would not have done that.'

i don't think that one thing necessarily follows the other. he could have said, 'this will give him the win,' because he knows he blew it with his noms.

Maris

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why didnt he nominate Roddy though. He said all the way through that he trusted Danielle and he wanted her to win. Yet he is crying and saying that he knows he gave Roddy the win. Why did he do it. Does anyone have insight on this?

Loppes

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Snee,
It could be you are right. It was something like that.
Lon

Annitar

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bottom line is Roddy made him feel like crap. He couldn't see beyond that. Roddy had him so "played" when he came out of that room with him he actually believed he owed it to Roddy not to nominate him.

Sad, but true.

Cyn

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He cried cause he thought he threw the game to Roddy and let Danielle down combined with the pressure and just having to choose any of the HGs. They have seen no one except each other for weeks and weeks and they have grown attached – be it good or bad.

Snee

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i think he didn't nom roddy because, even though he knew intellectually it was a smart thing to do, he couldn't reconcile his feelings towards the nom. roddy got him where he lives. jason tried to resist in the hoh room for a bit by telling roddy he didn't appreciate having his emotions brought into it. (pp) his resistance didn't last too long. *sigh*

Snee

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
roddy is the bb3 borg: resistance is futile.

Annitar

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 12:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Snee! Lovin' the Star Trek reference! Think the Borg Queen has found herself a King!

Cyn

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 12:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Snee, you are a fistful of wisdom and wit.

what a talent – to shorten it all so concisely, and do it each and every time.

Romans8_1

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As far as strategy, I think Jason is in a no-win situation with both the HG and us.

If you think he is spineless then...
1) If he doesn't nominate Roddy, then he is weak for falling for Roddy.
2) If he does nominate Roddy, then he is weak for listening to Danni.

If you think he is strong then...
1) If he doesn't nominate Roddy, then he is strong enough to break from Danni when he feels it is in his best interest or because of some personal belief.
2) If he does nominate Roddy, then he is strong enough to stand up to him.

Either way, you see how our pre-conceived notion of him influences our preception of the facts. This is true in life as well. We often mold/interpret teh facts to fit a belief system we already have in place.

For those that don't like him, you won't no matter what he does, and those that do like him, will continue to. Of course extreme behaviour can change either side, but I don't see that coming from him.

Draco

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Romans - that's true that he will be perceived as weak or strong depending on whether you are a Dani or Roddy fan. I think he made the best decision, however, strategically for himself. He has both R and D on his side right now.

Observerx

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No. I don't understand Jason. He's like.. you know.. but only like when.. so I like.. you know.. but not like a couple of days ago when.. like when.. you know.. But if you think about it.. like.. I don't know.. but if I did it would be.. you know.. So I don't.. So I was like, but then like things changed so you know.. it's different.. But I am conscious that.. like.. well you understand.

Wcv63

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Romans excellent post and so very true. I have remarked many a time that personal bias influences all of our observations and opinions. BB is just the type of show that highlights this characteristic in all of us.

I happen to like Jason and therefore he falls into the second catagory as far as I'm concerned. And I'd like to point out that the second catagory is by far the most logical and intelligent choice!! :O

Guiltyviewer

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
sorry my keyboard is not functioning properly so no caps....
...i wish jason would just stop for two seconds and remind himself of his original alliance with danielle for them to be in the final two, and realize that all of his schmoozing with roddy is directly contrary to that. jason is such a trusting, naive and obviously innocent person---easy prey for roddy's keen and subtle twistings. jason gets around roddy and before long, is falling into that lil brother role that roddy loves to exploit. amazes me that they're only five years apart in age...jason acts like roddy knows everything worth knowing and minimizes his own credible knowledge. he'd rather believe that roddy and he have this incredible connection as opposed to the alternative view, that roddy just might be playing him, even with some genuine friendliness.
jason isn't focused any more and is too much about passing his time easily, having fun and enjoying the rest of his time at 'summer camp'. love the guy, but he's not likely to be in the end game unless some major interventions by mama danielle and big sis lisa save his butt.
fingers still crossed though...

Romans8_1

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I also happen to believe there is strength in weakness. (Personally, by faith is strongest when I am weak. I learn not to rely on myself.) Jason my have leaned this lesson also. If he comes across too strong, then others will gun for him. Not to start a whole "Will" thing, but one of the moves Will used was to come across very weak. Roddy has tried to incorperate this strategy the last few weeks as well. Who is strong in the house .... Roddy and Danielle. Who is everyone gunning for ... Roddy and Danielle. Now we expect Jason to stand up and act strong? Not a smart move. If he had nominated Roddy, that may have showed too much strength and frighted some of the others. Amy and Gerry were obvious choices without ruffeling too many feathers. On of the tricks of getting through HOH is with your like-ablity intact. If "Jason" nominates and gets Roddy evicted, how does that sit with Kiki, Tonya, Lori, Josh, and Eric. Jason wants someone else to nominate Roddy. Some say "But he should do his own dirty work." Sorry, that's not smart play. Most every HG (with the possible exception of Gerry) wants someone else to do their dirty work. It's just smart play. They are constantly asking themselves "How do I get rid of my opponent and keep their (and other evicted HGs) vote".

The more I think about it, the more I like Jason's vote on many levels: morally and strategically.

Wcv63

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Romans, I think you and I are going to be very good friends. I like the way you have reasoned out a very plausible and logical strategy that shows that Jason is still playing the game and has valid and strategic arguments for his decisions.

Guiltyviewer

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
romans, ditto to what wcv said. oh yeah, when's the jason fan club meeting and who's bringing the snacks...

Jimmer

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I’m hungry. GO JASON GO! Seriously, I don’t think that Roddy should start counting his money yet. There’s too many things that could happen to change that.

Djgirl5235

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Romans - you are absolutely on the ball with your posts - I wholeheartedly agree, and believe that Jason is playing this game very well, and that he could very well win the entire thing - We have a month to find out!

Theo17

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
jason will be gone within 2 weeks. I think he is great but he pulled an Amy. The game is second to them to roddys oppinion of them. Roddy himself will be pushing for jason to be nominated as early as next week just like he did with amy this week.