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Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"The Dani/Jason alliance wasn't a turning point.. it was there since week one."- If you score 10 runs in the first inning, the turning point of the game was when the very first runner crossed the plate. Roddy lost this game by playing for himself and surrounding himself with the wrong people. It all went badly for him from the start and just kept getting worse. The only positive move for him was getting Jason not to nominate him. That gave him more time to sit in the house and become more and more obvious. He was a loser from the beginning, and the Jason and Danielle alliance is amazing in its simplicity and its longevity. Roddy dies alone. A loser in this game.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is so easy, isn't it Blossom? LOL!

Bailey

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe it's just semantics.. but when I think of a turning point, I think of when and how it all changed. I think if the events I mentioned above hadn't happened, the entire ballgame would've been different.
I'm not saying that the Dani/Jason alliance wasn't an important factor in the outcome of it all.. just that the mistakes of others worked majorly in their favor to be where they are today.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
wood d and j forming was critical but for several nominations early they were not a large factor so I thk calling them a turning point is hard. It might be when gerry went after the couples and showed they do not have to live in fear of them.

Ocean_Islands

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy coming back.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason and Danielle formed an alliance with the strategy of taking both of them to the end. They are still here. They would both tell you personally that their relationship was the turning point of this game. No nominations, no sweat. Working perfectly. They also have the remaining players totally played. No other happening in this house needs to be discussed as a turning point.

Csnog

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I see a turning point as something that has changed.

Dannie and Jason have had their alliance since day 2 in the house and before the Live Feeds were on.
Too bad we couldn't see how it was formed.

They have played well as a team but I don't see their alliance as a turning point but as a game player.

Battlestar

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree---if Chiara had used her brains instead of her "Good for the House' reasoning, Jason and Danielle may have been put up on the block at some point/

Bigsister

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All the events discussed in this thread are certainly major factors in the way this game has proceeded, but I don't know that they are major turning points. If Danielle and/or Jason get voted out, then would their alliance really be the major turning point, especially if Roddy manages to hang on and be a winner? Which could happen. Who knows if the turning point has happened yet.

Bastable

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellas and Danielle keep saying that for them, the food competition with the brownie house was the turning point for them. It's when they realized just how crafty their competition is--Roddy was tanking up on water as well as brownie in order to put his weight at the maximum level.

That's when the players started to clue into what they were dealing with and began to really play the game, Marcellas says.

Muttley

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember clearly back when Dani was panicking because no one had asked her about joining together in an alliance. She fixed that. Turning point #1.

#2 came when Josh left.

Reader234

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oceans I agree, or is it the POV that Gerry used on Marc, esp since Chia/Roddy used Marc insecurities telling him he wouldnt have 'gone' any way??? It certainly changed the way those initial 6 played?!

Wrat1010

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry breaking the tie and voting to keep Lisa. It's his biggest mistake in the game, even bigger than using the veto. Roddy had already shown his willingness to work with Gerry even after Gerry saved Marcellas. Jason would have been the next target instead of Josh, and Marcellas-Danielle wouldn't have been able to ignore Gerry as a potential ally. Even when the 7 people voted between Lisa and Amy as to who returns it's possible that Amy would still have been brought back, since Josh would have been the deciding vote. As for Danielle, she would have had to use a different strategy to survive in the game; one that didn't involve masterminding all the bashing of people on the block that viewers find so offensive.

Deltadiva

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with everyone here there are several events that have turned the game.

But I think that the biggest turning point is still to come. It will happen if Amy uses POV tomorrow and saves Roddy. Dani and Lisa say they have a plan B, but if Amy uses POV, Roddy could very well win HOH, because he has to win, or he will be put up again, and no one will use POV to save him next week. This is his last chance with Amy to be saved. (JMO)

Onlyhuman

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's got to be Amy coming back...

First, at that point, there was a great deal of wavering in the M/D/L/J clique. Let's say that Amy wasn't involved. Roddy STILL would have jumped out of the bathtub, since he didn't know he was the next target. Gerry would have gotten out for the same reason. Danielle, Marcellus and Lisa would have still left, because they didn't want to do the dirty work and that would have left Jason, who would have been susceptible to the mind meld. Jason would have probably put up Gerry and MAYBE Chiara or Marcellus...my guess is Marcellus. Roddy would still have power and disposable pawns with which to attack Danielle.

Insted, Amy came in and helped them out by getting rid of Chiara. No dirt on their hands and they still can hate on Amy all they want...a win-win situation.

Seamonkey

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 02:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it was not booting Josh the first time he was nominated, and not booting Roddy the first time he was nominated.

Cameltoes

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 03:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not booting Josh is a good one. The game would have been very different had Tonya stayed. Josh's lies were key. Danielle was the deciding vote for that eviction (and that nomination week also seemed to be the root of Lisa's trust in Danielle).

Costacat

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 03:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it mostly revolves around the first POV. First, there was Gerry's speech (which, apparently, alienated a lotta folks). Then Gerry actually *used* the POV (<gasp!>), which changed the original nominations by Lisa. And then the decoy (Lori) got booted after Marcellas was saved. So I think THAT day -- not just the use of the POV -- was the turning point.

There have been other moments that have changed the tone of the game, though. Gerry's nomination of Eric and Lisa, and then Eric's eviction (which caused Lisa to start playing the game and align herself with Danielle). Amy's eviction, and then return, which got Chiara's knickers all tied up in a knot (and ultimately resulted in Chiara's eviction, not that I thought that was a bad thing).

On a more humorous side? The turning point was when all 12 folks walked thru that door and cams were turned on!

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 03:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"especially if Roddy manages to hang on and be a winner? Which could happen."----BigSister, 12:52, Sunday Sept. 1st.

Could somebody inform the Roddy supporters that the bus is leaving at 9 P.M. EDT on Thursday. Please bring your Trivial Pursuit games and free copies of "How To Make A Woman Swoon." As you sit on the bus drinking complimentary Citrona, please chant the words "Roddy is a nice guy" until he tips his hat and shows his bald spot.

Maris

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 03:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<> LOL

Spunky

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was definitely Gerry saving Marcellas with his POV.

Imagine all these weeks without Marcellas. It would have been a totally different BB3. It was a big big turning point.

Justcurious

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was just thinking that the lack of banners this year has made a big difference. I don't believe that Dani and Jason could have kept their close alliance a secret if banners could have been flown. I prefer the no banners rule, but just wonder what would have happened to the alliances if the rule had not been put into place.