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Mollywood

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 07:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
amy touches my heart because she is so open to the punches...they get her drunk, they know the buttons to push...and im afraid she doesnt realize how her "friends" with all their hugs and kisses, dont like her at all.....i think she is a troubled kid, but what kid isnt.at least in this situation where she stands o ut like a sore thumb.....i hope when she looks at her tapes and sees the other side of friends like m. she will grow up real frast..i think the only person on there including the bb people who care at all about amy is jason....shes smart, funny, and doesnt need to rely on the kindness of strangers.

Gina8642

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 08:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy got herself drunk. No one was sneaking extra liquor into her glass. She was clearly going around begging it off people.

While I am completely fed up witht the Amy bashing, I do think Amy has a drinking problem.

Her 'friend' Marcellus does not know how to handle it. I think he and the others have done a bad job of it so far. Going into another room and trashing Amy instead of trying to help her, is very, very bad. However Amy will not face up to it. She really did herself in yesterday with how Lisa and Jason see her. These two could have been her allies down the road, but I don't think they will easily forget last night's behavior. I think it is very sad.

I still want Amy to win, but she needs to stop excessive drinking. I know she is under stress, but drinking is not the way to handle it.

Earthmother

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 08:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
First of all I think the whole concept of friendship in this house and game has always been over-rated. You build true friendships with people who you really get to know inside and out. Laying in a room together trashing people who are playing the game with you doesn't make you friends.

Using the friendship angle just gives you leverage in this game because you can always say "I thought we were friends", or "what kind of person does that to their friend". IMO the whole friendship thing gives fuel to fodder.

I guess the best way to look at from my standpoint is; If my true friend and I were in a competition for $500,000 would I step aside (even if I needed this money really bad) and just let her have it out of friendship and would she do the same for me? My friend and I acually discussed this yesterday and both of us said "NO" we would not step aside. We love each other dearly and would certainly give each other a portion of the prize, but we wouldn't just step aside.

These people are not friends they are aquaintences. If you look at what has been said from the past hgs none of them are best of friends. Some may see each other from time to time or talk on the phone, but most of those relationships weren't worth giving the a half million dollars.

Krossd

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They have tried being her friend, in many ways... it is not their responsibility, and they TOO are cooped up and not able to walk away, like they might in real life.

I like Amy, she is fun... but whoa, no one with a drinking problem should even attempt to go on a show like this! She can't, yet, see the harm and self destruction , of an otherwise fine young woman, in how she drinks. I think she has a problem too. She was so good, and seemed changed when she came back on.. .it didn't hold. Seems only to last a week to 10 days... on the other hand.. she learns fast so maybe, she when can see the tapes, and SEE what strangers and aquaintences do, AND say about this kind of behavior and that may have a lasting impression, a life altering one. For her, I hope so.

Maybe the reason she hasn't met her 'Mr. Perfect is because he is in the bunch that walks away from that kind of behavoir... and she is stuck with the those that are drawn to her charms and good looks, smarts and humor, but aren't willing to stay for the other stuff. And the pattern repeats.

It is rare you see an unattractive person with all the other attributes (manners, wit, etc) And an alcohol problem attracting the kind of man Amy wants to love her.... so... the beauty can only take one so far, or for so long..... so goes the story. (There is a thread asking about this very issue.)

I hope Jason prays, and others, for her to do life without the booze. She'd has all the potential and breaks to be truly AmaZing!

Kristylovesbb

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 08:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Do we know that Amy drinks this much on the outside? Maybe she is drinking more in the house because that is the only way she can cope. She knows what the others think of her, she is not stupid. If I were in that house I would stay drunk just to get through it and I don't drink.

Krossd

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
How old are you Kristylovebb? No insult intended, really, but you you honestly think she wouldn't drink like this, or worse, with unlimited access to alcohol?

Wcv63

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 08:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Krossd, many on this board have said that Amy's age may have something to do with her "partygirl" persona. I happen to agree with that although I was a couple of years younger than her when I outgrew my partying ways. But between the ages of 18 and 22 I guess I was really a handful. :)

I used to go out everynight, drink, dance, flirt...didn't get into any longterm relationships because I was far too footloose and fancy free. It was fun and exciting and felt like "living on the edge."

Then one day it got old. I was tired of waking up with headaches and dragging myself to work. I needed to save money and started to become more responsible. I stopped the excessive partying, became more serious about my future.

It's then that I met the man I fell in love with and married. I needed to grow up before I was willing (or able) to grow in a relationship.

I feel Amy is like this. She's disconnected and "sowing her wild oats" so to speak. I truly believe she'll settle down.

Battlestar

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 09:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A FRIEND would not have given her their drink----Amy has NO FRIENDS in the house

Mollywood

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wc..i also think she will grow out of this..she is too smart and she has heard in mexico , what a big part she is of this show...as much as she flirts with fame, i think this is an enormous burden on her...i didnt grow up till 30..but now im doing fine :0) i do think she will be a writer tho..i really do

Kristylovesbb

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 09:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am old enough to be to be Amy's grandmother! I have enough intelligence to know this girl has NO friends in that house! She is young and when I was that young I drank too much too. It ain't like the others are saints!

Earthmother

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly, Battlestar...none of them have friends in this game!

Once this "friend" equation is removed it just boils down to playing this game with your own style. Whether we like the style or not isn't the issue. In a game with no cash prize at the end I'd say "It's not whether you win or lose but how you play the game", because pride is my reward. However with $500,000 at stake it does matter whether you win or lose and how you play the game might not always be the high road.

Bigbrotherbelle

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"I used to go out everynight, drink, dance, flirt..."

Same here (except for the flirting, I went out with my friends and didn't feel right flirting since I was/still am in a long term relationship)... only I am now 22, so it was only from my birthday in Nov, 2000 until May of last year that I did this. Since then, I have not drank since New Year's except for a couple of Citronas after BB started to see what they tasted like.

I did not drink unless I got drunk because I really do not like the taste of alcohol that much.

Before I turned 21, I'd drink occasionally. When I was 18, I got caught in the boy's dorm (same guy from the long term relationship). I was sleeping (naked!) when the resident supervisor came in because the music was too loud. He called the campus police, who had my boyfriend escort me back to my dorm. I had to meet with the head girl's dorm supervisor and she gave me probation and orders to go see the campus psychologist! I went to the psychologist and they gave me a test to determine whether I was an alcoholic or in danger of becoming one. You know, questions like "Do you feel like you need alcohol to have fun?" "How often do you drink?" That was so embarassing to me... I'd NEVER been in any type of trouble previously, was on the Dean's list, lived in the honor's dorms, etc. My boyfriend got nothing, I figured it was because he was 21.

We all do crazy stuff we eventually regret. Luckily mine is funny now that I look back on it, I don't think it would be so funny if I was on national TV when I was in my wild stage.

Mollywood

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother..that is true, each friendship here cost you a potential half a million dollars..that would make one tend to be shy of bonding..i dont know why, but i always felt if amy won it she would split it with the top three..are they allowed to do that..and if so, are t hey allowed to make that deal in the house.also, why is sign language allowed..why couldnt they write on their arms with jelly or something..how stict is the everything on film rule?

Earthmother

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Being an ally in this game does not equate to friendship. You can align yourself in hopes that person will have your back, but if you depend on friendship (which in this game is highly over rated) you might find yourself walking out the front door while your friend is doing the happy dance once you close the door behind you.

Duncan

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I ask that you all please remember that a very large portion of Amy's behaviour last night was invented by Danielle! Dani saw what she wanted to see and has pretty much convinced the others that Amy was basically dancing around naked in the backyard. Yes, Amy appeared to be more than a little snockered last night, but other than being a bit slurry with her words and rather overly flirtatious, I personally don't see where she acted all that heinously. Last night Dani had her flashing the cameramen and throwing up, NONE of which happened.

Blossumtree

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 10:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
well, all i have to say is that dani can criticize amy all she wants but she should also give amy credit for not having a baby when she was 15. i think, in some way, dany may feel a bit jelous of amy's free-spirited and care-free nature. dani missed out on a lot during her adolescence and young adulthood and i think amy is a constant reminder of that.

Theo17

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
yes lets give every 15 year old in America credit for not haviung a baby. LOL Where is my credit? Can we blame anything else on danni today? I heard she was part iraqs republican guard and that she also was the real monica lewinsky. She might have even played a role in the lincoln assasination.

Theo17

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 10:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think dani spiked amys drinks and blackmailed marcy that if he didnt rip Amy all night long she was going to destroy boo. She is the real dr evil

Battlestar

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 10:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
credit----blame????

those words do not mean the same thing

What555456

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy simply has to become an adult. None of these HG's have any obligation to cater to her immaturity.

Earthmother

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 10:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
blame, credit ...these words are of no importance in a game!!

Krossd

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 10:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It was Lisa that first said about the flashing, if it even occurred. There is discussion on some thread about that (the sign language one, I think)... and I saw Dani's impersonation and busted out laughing.... I needed it after watching and listening all day... and so did they. Dani does impersonations of ALL of them.... so it wasn't as if Amy was singled out as the only time... lets be fair as we can about that.

I think some may find a friend or two, and just because most other BB HG's haven't remained in touch in the one and two years that have passed, doesn't mean that 10 years down the road they won't be in touch, some of them - much like I lost touch with 99% of my high school friends but picked back up on a few over the years since... because only THEY can really understand the experience in that house.

In other words, just because there does not seem to be any big lasting instant friendship, (in any of the BB's yet) doesn't mean a few won't connect and develope one down the line of time over this shared unique experience - and have a heck of a lot of laughs over 'remember when?'.

Battlestar

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 10:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
what555---they cater to Danielle's immaturity by participating in her bash sessions.

Blossumtree

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 10:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
theo, i think you missed my point. it goes back to that old saying about people in glass houses. dani is constantly instigating the amy bashing. yesterday, while amy was outside dani was doing a parody of amy for the benefit of lisa, jason and marcellus. to me it was just mean spirited and yes, i do feel that, in some way, dani is a little jealous of amy for quite a few reasons inside and outside the house.

dani has said a few times how exhausted she is from playing the game 24/7 and being mentally drained by constantly trying to stay one step ahead; and here we have little miss amy who has never had a real strategy, coasting along as free as you please and just wanting to have a good ol' time, evicted yet brought back in the house and obviously one of the stars outside the house. all that does seem to rub dani the wrong way.

oh, and i'm sure that was dani i saw on the grassy knoll.

Earthmother

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 10:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
krossd, perhaps developing a friendship down the line may happen, but would you give up $500,000 on perhaps???

Kristylovesbb

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani has made it her statagey to bad-mouth the next person she wants out of the house. She makes a point to enlighten everyone of that person flaws and she invents others to get them to side with her and nom. then vote them out. She has done this from the begining of the game. If everything she said were true I would have less of a problem with her, but the fact is she lies!

Turtlelvr

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 11:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A
my may
grow out of this, OR she may just find a man and friends who are comfortable parenting her. Amy strikes me as a high maintenance type person (my opinion), and that usually doesn't change with age, especially when there are plenty of people willing to maintain her. IMO, Amy will have many years left of this type of acting out for attention (maybe even without alcohol) and she won't be alone, because the world is full of people like her and those that are willing to maintain them. I can't say its wrong or right, but if you think about people with similar attributes, they all seem to eventually end up extremely depressed. What I do find very wrong is that someone may choose her as a friend, try to help her, fail,then choose to remain friends yet verbally abuse her for not changing.
Amy shouldn't bank on kindness, but she does, so her "freinds" should either @#$% or get off the dang pot and quit freakin whining about her.

Azriel

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Duncan: I ask that you all please remember that a very large portion of Amy's behaviour last night was invented by Danielle!

EXACTLY! I think this is a HUGE problem on this board. People take what an HG says about another HG as the gospel truth and then they run with it.

It just amazes me that people go on and on like Amy is swinging from the chandelier naked in a drunken binge every night.

I also don't understand why anyone says that Amy is selfish. That boggles my mind. I just don't understand why Amy is perceived as selfish.

Amy is bending over backwards to please a bunch of jerks that will never be pleased because the only thing they want is to make her look bad so they feel good about evicting her.

Seamonkey

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Roddy goes out this week, it will be because Marcellas had the guts to nominate him for real and Amy overcame tons of Roddypressure and didn't take him off the block and their planned reward is to be the next two to go (of course that assumes that Dani keeps control of anyone making a decision)

2addicted

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
RE: Subject header

LOL! Watching Amy last night really made me
think of Tennessee Williams.

I guarantee you Ms.Crew would have been the subject of one of his plays if the Mississippi
native had met her!

Maybe Amy spent time in the recent Williams exhibit at Ole Miss soaking up his characters.

Funny or sad?

Mollywood

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
now roddy is brow beating amy lol..he get in her face, and says if you sold a house would you go back if it lost value would you get out of the deal? lol the deal he wouldnt agree to? or did i miss something...i cant believe that he is angry she didnt throw herself under the train..he is making her cry again..cant the house rescue her from his abuse..they did it..im angry

Jan

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yeah but seamonkey what do you expect her to do? Should she say "wow Marc and Amy did it so I'll dump my alliance with Ja and Lisa and go with them instead"..or should she volunteer to go herself????

Let's face it. Now it gets really tough because someone has to go. Jason and Lisa may decide which one of the 2 goes, not Dani. But if it is up to the 3 of them, of course it will be Marc or Amy

ANd AMy and Marc still have a chance if Amy gets HOH.

If the 3 start to badmouth the 2, it's because all of the people in the house (with the exception maybe of Roddy) have felt the need to demonize the nominees to make themselves feel better about evicting them.