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Hermione69

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 03:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi, you guys. Looks like the cool down time worked. I had to leave this thread yesterday (don't think I even posted) because people were getting too intense and I felt some of the posts were really starting to attack Gerry personally. I'm a supporter, but I have to admit the shower thing was a bit weird. Still think it was blown out of proportion and that Gerry just tries too hard.

Earthmother, thanks for always being a breath of fresh air. I don't think I have ever seen you post something that wasn't reasonable and well-put. Except for maybe you wanting to check out Draheid in the shower. ;-)

Puckerbutt

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 03:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't seen a shower scene discussed this much since Norman Bates was a toddler.

Speaking of which....

One can only imagine - with the way the houseguests like talking about movies and the way many of the posters on this board mishear house guest statements and run with the misinformation - what would be being discussed in this thread had Gerry walked over to the shower door and asked Marsellas if he wanted to discuss Hitchcock.

Earthmother

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 03:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We all have our weak moments Hermione69..lol

Hermione69

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 03:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Puckerbutt, I often type LOL when something is amusing, but I truly LAUGHED OUT LOUD at your post!!!! Still laughing....

Jmm

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 04:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Watch yourself Earthmother, I'm the only one allowed to sneak peeks over the shower at Draheid. ;-)

Puttergirl

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 04:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All I can say is... I like Gerry but I thought what he did was creepy!! I don't think he is bisexual or anything so dramatic. I just think he doesn't think about what he is doing. He's almost like Mr. Magoo bumping his way around that house- its actually rather humerous and mostly harmless. But peeking at people over the shower door is creepy!!

Car54

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 05:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<wow, I was away from the board all afternoon...

Lance put you guys on a timeout...never seen that happen before!>

Luvness

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 05:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When Gerry asked Marcellas if he was making him uncomfortable (pp), M clearly said NO. And then made the comment about the camera. WHY didn't M just take that opportunity to define his personal space guidelines?
It seems to me that G considers M his friend and at times isn't sure if that feeling is mutual, but M is often reassuring G that he had issues with him he would tell him!

I feel that it is disgusting the way M goes on and on about every little thing G does and bashes him with all the other HG's instead of just telling G that certain things bother him. I think it is schoolyard bully mean of M to publicly trash G this way. I just do not see that G actions deserve the tirades they are getting.

BTW i like them both!

Lancecrossfire

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 05:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Luvness, there are 2 possibilites to your question. One is that Marc has no more ability to deal one on one with Gerry than anyone else (for those who are going to say Mrac has talked to Gerry, it was about issues not specific to Marc).

The other possibility is that Marc wants to be able to rag on him for something else--because if he told Gerry it bothered him, Gerry would lay off.

Of course the Gerry distractors are likely to ignore thsi little tidbit of information, as it clearly makes Marc responsible thaht Gerry wasn't told, even though he was thoughful enough to ask.

Draheid

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 05:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
IMHO How seriously can we believe that The Shower Scene (as the thread title infers) was that serious of an issue. The ONLY time I've heard Marcellas say anything about it was on the edited show. As much bashing of Gerry as Marcellas does, you would think he'd bring that infraction up as well. Please (and I'm sure someone will) correct me if I'm wrong here, because I just don't remember any of the 'bashing sessions' Marcellas has conducted where he's mentioned it again.

JMO - FWIW
Checking fire extinguisher to put out any flames I might encounter! :O

Hosewater

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 05:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Has this been said yet?

I believe Gerry is simply trying to fit in with the youngsters.

Remember, he's 20 years older than everyone else, and virtually since the start of this game six weeks ago everyone has been very intimate with each other.

Nudity abounds, shower sharing seems common, spooning is required at night.

For everyone, that is, but Gerry.

Gerry is just trying to act like everyone else. He sees the others being intimate, friendly, with a modesty-out-the-window attitude, and he just figures he can join in.

The problem is, there's a double standard in that house. What's good for everyone else is not good for Gerry.

They have made him an outsider because he's older and because he was the first one to change alliances.

Draheid

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 05:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hosewater: I agree, in fact, I would submit that, other than Marcellas, had Gerry committed this 'offence' with ANYBODY else in the house, he'd be labeled a pervert for sure. In fact, if it had been any of the females in the house, they'd probably demanded he be ejected immediately!

JMO - FWIW
Extinguisher charged and ready!

Ocean_Islands

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 05:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think this is being blown out of proportion.

This is Gerry's inept way of playing the exact same game that Roddy is playing. "You can be attracted to me and I'll take care of you, it's ok." Unfortunately Gerry and Roddy's attractiveness are completely different things, so while Marcellus eats Roddy's game up, he hates the same thing from Gerry.

By the way, <took> a nude shower with Tonya, said she had had four homosexual experiences, and then tried to make out with Lisa and kissed Lisa on the lips. Anyway you want to look at it, this is a sorry group of people.

(c)

Kapow

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hosewater and others, I agree. I think Gerry was just trying be fit in with the young ones who don't have a lot of modesty in the house. If Roddy looked in on Josh in the shower and appraised his manhood positively, Josh would have been complimented. Not that that is the right way to be, but just a generational difference. Gerry's attempt at closeness was taken poorly by Marcellus.

That being said, I am the same generation as most of the Hgs and if a male or female peeked over the shower at me I would be offended and tell them to get away. However, this house has had plenty of nudity and exhibition. Gerry is just trying to be "cool". IMHO.

Hosewater

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
if a male or female peeked over the shower at me I would be offended and tell them to get away

Hey, if they did that to me I'd have to immediately explain about shrinkage!

Whit4you

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Read a bit of this thread and am a bit suprised. Gerry's a guy - teacher at that - cant' even imagine how many times he might have chatted with someone as they showered. Gerry's an older - not so attractive married man - him TALKING to someone while they shower is not necissarily SEXUAL in nature any more then all you guys who take a leak together all the time lol.

I used to feel a tad uncomfortable dressing or undressing around a bi friend but I personally do not take it as 'sexual' when an old married gal friend of mine is chatting with me while I'm changing.

Personally I think it's peoples minds in the gutter - Marc's included if he took that as SEXUAL - sheesh.

If Gerry really wanted to go after someone you think it'd be Marc...lol. If he WERE Bi I think there are two better looking guys in the house to 'look at' -:)

I just personally think people are totally blowing this out of proportion. As someone who's been in school or teaching school all his life - locker rooms are locker rooms and the way this house is set up the shower has NO privacy.

I can only imagine what some of the posters here would be saying about the guys on the OZ BB - it was set up exactly like a locker room and the guys AND gals would chat while in the shower all the time - they don't take everything as perverse or sexual in nature unlike some around here.

BB's using the 'token gay man' and his sexuality for ratings and so many here are buying into that. Would anyone have thought twice about it if it'd been Gerry talking to say Kent? But no cause Marc is gay it's some 'sexual' thing. Whatever people.

Lovemarc

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"By the way, Chiara is a lesbian. Not only did she take a nude shower with Tonya, but she said she had had four homosexual experiences, and then tried to make out with Lisa and kissed Lisa on the lips. Anyway you want to look at it, this is a sorry group of people."

Lesbian? I would think maybe bisexual...as most of us are. I hope this "sorry group of people" has nothing to do with some of them having same-sex attractions.

Twiggyish

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marc just doesn't like Gerry. He should have just told him to take a hike, if it bothered him. Just like said above, Gerry is trying to fit in. But, Marc already has his opinion set.

Hosewater

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Anyone remember the locker room scene in Jerry Maguire, with Tom Cruise talking to a buck-naked Cuba Gooding, Jr.?

Hilarious scene (and movie), but underscores the point some are making about locker rooms and showers. Some men don't think twice about those situations.

Also, keep in mind, we never saw Gerry's eyes move up and down Marcellas' body.

Theo17

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
kiki is bi sexual. is that news? she announced to the world the times she has had sex with women and men

Hosewater

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shame on Marcellas that he couldn't have, WEEKS AGO, said to Gerry, "I just don't feel comfortable around you. I'd prefer not be close friends."

He's really old enough to deal with people better than he has. As a 30+ year old, Marcellas should be above all the junior high talking behind people's back games.

Bastable

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WHATEVER!

I don't see how Marcellas can complain about having no privacy. He's on Big Brother 3! Duh! That's the point!

Besides, not everyone thinks of nudity as a big taboo.

And let's also face it: Marcellas is vain. He WOULD think Gerry wants him, wouldn't he?

Twiggyish

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Right Hosewater, why doesn't he just tell Gerry? He's complained to everyone freely, but hasn't been honest with Gerry.

Earthmother

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why would Marc have a problem with anyone seeing him naked? Wasn't he the hg who took off his clothes for all of the damn world to see and jumped in the hot tub? All this Gerry is weird stuff doesn't fly with me with all the crap that's gone on in this house (Marc naked in the hot tub, the girls showering together to entertan the boys, the peanut butter bikinis, the couples sleeping together, Chiara sunbathing without her top, Lisa's corn cob lesson, Chiara's lazy susan escapade and same sex stories, Tonya admitting she wants to do playboy, etc.. ) Marc loves to show off his body he's proved it.

Seamonkey

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 06:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellas not wanting Gerry leaning over the shower door is strictly for him to judge, not anyone here, just as Jason choosing to not sleep in a bed with a female, or to not drink is his to decide.

Gerry's worked with people for so long, you'd think he'd be able to read body language.. or maybe he is playing mind games that way.

(Lisa, Kiki, Dani have all said he stares at them too)