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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Is BB really so stupid that they didn't realize Lisa's farewell message was a major diss to Gerry?: Archive through August 29, 2002

Sunlit

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 06:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think there's a bigger picture than BB dissing Gerry. Lisa and Eric's romance is intensified. Hello? How much have viewing hours been spent on Lisa and Eric?

That was for the viewing audience. BB wanted to show us that Lisa was standing by her man. Classic T.V. that had little to do with Gerry. BB used Gerry for base comic relief, and this was about ratings.

Babyruth

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 06:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What if that clip was taken from a longer ramble that then added, "It really hurt when you split up me and Eric. But I know it was part of the game. It was nice getting to know you and I wish you and your wife all the best."
I wouldn't put it past A.S. for a second.

Pinky780

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 06:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lisa's pettiness and CBS's airing it are different things. CBS was extrememly ugly for doing that - no excuses. Lisa not only shoed a lack of class, in my opinion, but I don't buy some of your theories that at least she showed her true feelings. Her true feelings were based on bias: she was mad that Gerry was responsible for throwing Eric out of the house, but when given the opportunity, she didn't try to get Eric back in. Was it okay for her to cry "forgive me; it was strategy"? but Gerry wasn't allowed strategy. If you actually look at each of the HGs demeanors, Gerry was the one (other than Jason) who tried to not personalize anything. He seemed genuine when he said L & E was strategy. What does he get for his grief (and the one time he decided to do something nice for someone(Marc)? They all bash him, ignore him, then treat him like dirt. Lisa's lowering her level (or was it already there?) just took away my last desire for any of these nuts to win. I have lost all respect for lying Danielle; have lost any ability to endure Marc and his ugliness (spirit, not physical); and never thought Roddy or Amy should win. Alas, I never any thought about Jason!

Sisteronline

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 06:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think a lot of people probably say negative things in the farewell messages, the difference is.....BB just doesn't usually show them!

Shame on BB!!!!

Maybe we should all send emails voicing our displeasure!

JMO

Boberry

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 06:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
While it freaked me out when she was saying it (made me pause for quite a moment), if nothing else, it lets the viewers who don't have live feeds or come on the boards get a better picture of what these people are really like. It's getting good and I'm getting excited!

Sunlit

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Out of all the houseguests we should be trashing for low blows, Lisa ranks near Jason on my list. That fake dribbling that the others spouted turned my stomach.

BTW, how can Lisa be dishonest for speaking honestly? And be biased in her dishonesty? And thus be poked at?

Please.

Mollywood

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa was honest..so even tho shes nervous now with m hoh, she doesnt have that guilty look that all the others have...d. relies on ghetto when the going gets tuff. (she is the least ghetto person in the house) R. is pitiful right now..calling amy A MO...j. is almost sick from having to vote out anyone at this point so his dishonesty comes from a kind place ..i think this will be the end of jason and d. and all lher followers are gravitating away..its all so uncomfortable but i cant take my eyes of any of it

Kathyb

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Excellent point, Pinky. Lisa voted against Eric herself to come back in the house, for the sake of the game. She owed Eric a heck of a lot more than Gerry did.

Willow_Woman

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm beggining to think BB had it in for Gerry from the beginning. First making him look so bad with that nasty editing and now this. Like kicking a man when he's down. I think I'm going to give up drinking Citrona in protest! Hear that Citrona???!!???

Bailey

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just 2 weeks ago when Josh left, only 3 people had goodbye messages for him. I took that to mean the others didn't have anything nice to say about him, and I could accept that.
But this was cruel.. if the producers wanted to spice up the storyline by kicking someone when they're already down for the purpose of comic relief.. they sadly were mistaken.
Lisa dropped down drastically in my book tonight.. and now I'm more convinced than ever that the producers were hellbent all along to making Gerry nothing more than a butt for their jokes thinking that it would entertain us.
There was nothing honest or honorable in Lisa's message, it was just plain nasty and classless.

Willow_Woman

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow, Bailey, jinx! :)

Sbw

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She could simply have said "Goodbye". :)

Mygetaway

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok...
I had to skip to the end to say this..
Disclaimer.. I haven't seen the show yet..
Maybe CBS is just trying to make Lisa look bad, so DANI looks better at the end? They see that people were turning to Lisa some liking her more, and want to make her look bad so their "fav" gets the big win?? I dunno..

Sisteronline

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
mygetaway, what makes you think Dani is the "fav"?

Just curious!

Cajunrambler

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wouldn't be suprised if CBS doesn't have a multi-million dollar acting contract for Gerry.

Now Gerry can have the last laugh. Justice would be sweet.

Bailey

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Willow.. LOL.. we certainly were on the same wavelength here! :)

Luckhunter777

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I admit that I just skimmed the messages in this thread.

With some of the posters the HG just cant win. If she were fake there would have been messages saying 'I can't believe she was sooo fake.' She was honest, OK - maybe brutally honest. She did not lie. Each HG is asked to give a msg to the evictee and that is the message she wanted to get across. She had said to Eric that she would retaliate, and she sis in the only way she could in the situation her vote.

Her wish was that she wanted to be the one to nominate and campaign against him as a payback for splitting up her and Eric. Right, wrong or indifferent - she was honest.

Similar to last weeks outrage against Jason on the board, if he put up Rod he was Rod's puppet, on the other hand if he nommed Rod he was Dani's puppet. No win as far as the boards go - so I saw him going with what he thought would get him another week as smart - not weak as some claimed.

Just another one of my ramblings....

Curlyq

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There are some very good points being made here. Pinky, I completely agree with you about the hypocrisy there. Gerry could do no right in their eyes.

Sunlit, I think you're right about BB using this to play up the romance. I guess they meant for this to emphasize to the viewers once again that Lisa is still faithful to Eric, even though BB made this point at Gerry's expense.

They've never missed an opportunity to stick it to Gerry, and I can't help but wonder if they think that's what their target audience wants to see. Maybe they think all 20 and 30-somethings share the HGs' mindset.

Somelight

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree CBS should have edited Lisa out if she couldn't say a civil goodbye no matter how fake it might be. She did one for Kiki. And we know how she felt about her.

Luckhunter777

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm ... interesting Curly ... Gerry could do no right in their eyes.

Very similar to how the HG can't do no right in the 'eyes of the grand and powerful internet'.

I starting to wonder if the real hypocrites are in front of the camera?... or the keyboard?

I don't want to ponder this too much because think I might be afraid of the real answer.

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 07:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought it was nasty, and rather silly to boot, since Lisa had voted against Eric to come back into the house.

Curlyq

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Umm, Luckhunter...were you calling me a hypocrite, or was that aimed at everybody in general?

If you would read all the posts in this thread you would find where I stand on this whole "being honest" thing. I would've respected Lisa's honesty if she had been open with Gerry all along about her feelings instead of doing it in a taped farewell message where she wouldn't have to face him. Had she spoken openly with him about all her other complaints that she's been voicing all week instead of accusing him of being some kind of pervert behind his back and then saying she'll cry if she finds out he actually heard some of the bashing, then I would've respected her honesty.

Just for the record, I am a BIG advocate of being honest. I'm actually one of the very few weirdos who even think this game can be won without lying. I just prefer honesty when it's consistent, not when it's only given from the safety of the DR.

Wcv63

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Geesh. Babyruth is right. There is no telling how long Lisa spoke in her Goodbye message and what other things she said. ASP decided what to air, not Lisa. All along they have been saying (some of them) how they truly feel about the departing hgs in the goodbye messages. Remember Chiara telling the others how mean she was in Amy's?

Lisa didn't say anything all that mean. Just that she wished she had been the one to nominate him on behalf of Eric because of his departure.

Also don't forget over the last few days Lisa has been increasingly uncomfortable around Gerry (real or imagined no matter) and what they aired could have been the least offensive of her comments.

Fact is, we really don't know because the live feed viewers aren't privy to the DR discussions.

Sherbabe

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 08:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did you notice that CBS did NOT air what Marcellus had to say. That was very obvious to me. I know they don't usually show everyone, but, now that the numbers are dwindling, it was very obvious to me. I just think he is going to be so hurt to hear what they all said about him while in the house. Like a bunch of 6th graders. I hope he does get the last laugh on all of them.

Kaili

Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't have a problem with Lisa saying what she did, but I have a problem with CBS/AS for putting it on the goodbye video. It just wasn't very nice. That's all I have to say about it.