Will AMY use the POV ?? (renamed since she won it)
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What555456

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why didn't she walk away? She deserves what she gets if she is unwilling to protect herself. She could have just gotten up and walked away from him. But she did not because she did not want to. Now she can be the center of attention as the hurt child all evening.

Jan

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
but victims of abuse very rarely walk away.

Troj

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
how many people here would not keep there promise to roddy, If they where Amy knowing it would be suicde? I for one would betray him

Bigbrotherbelle

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why? Because she wants to remain friends with him outside of the house for some unknown reason that obviously Lisa and Jason fully understand.

What555456

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is no indication I have seen that Amy is an abused person. She has not talked about being abused as a child. And the fact one poerson starts to abuse her (assuming Rod did), does not mean she cannot walk away from it.

What555456

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Then, BBBelle, she is not a victim. She made a conscious decision to be there, listen to it and react as she is reacting.

Draco

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know about abuse but I think Roddy was definitely being unnecessarily cruel and taking advantage of her vulnerability.

Bigbrotherbelle

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Then, BBBelle, she is not a victim. She made a conscious decision to be there, listen to it and react as she is reacting."

Yes and he made a conscious decision to continually make sure she knew he took it personally. He is taking this horribly and it is bringing out his venom.

What555456

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How could Roddy unfairly take advantage of her vulnerability when all she had to do was get up and walk away? She is a grown woman. Her brain works. Her legs work. Roddy was able to do what he did because she wanted to let him do it. Maybe to stay friends outside. Who knows? But the fact remains, she decided to be there. She decided to stay there. And she decided to have this happen to her.

It is time we all recognize that Amy gets what Amy wants. She wanted this --for whatever reason. And she got it. She is not a victim.

What555456

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BBbelle -- Ever think that maybe Roddy too is feeling hurt? And that perhaps his pain is real? Is he not allowed to express it?

Jhezzie

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know anything about Amy except what I see, so my opinion is worth that. I do think that she has self-esteem issues and being in this game with no escape will exaggerate them.
I think if she felt any support there, she would act more protective of herself. She knows she's on her own and probably sees no use in defending herself as she has no where to go.

Bigbrotherbelle

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So, since Amy did not get up and walk away she is responsible for the words and and actions that Roddy chose? Sure, she wouldn't have heard if she'd walked away, but that is not what I'm disgusted at. I am disgusted that he is being such a poor sport and chose those actions/words to begin with.

What555456

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keep in mind, JHezzie, Amy was fully capable of a very vengeful, angry and nasty eviction of Chiara. Whether or not she has self esteem problems, she needs to recognize that not everyone is Mommy and Daddy who are going to treat her with kid gloves. She did not with Chiara. Roddy did not with her. It is part of playing this game and part of life. She kows this. I doubt this is the first time in her life she has been hurt like this.

She can always walk out that front door anytime she wants.

Bigbrotherbelle

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes he is in pain because he will be voted out of a chance to win $500K this Thursday. He did not choose to express it, he chose to express viciousness.

What555456

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, BBBelle, because she did not get up and walk away, but sat there and listened, she is reponsible for how she is feeling and the pain she has. No, Roddy should not have said what he said. But she did not have to allow him to say it.

All of us know people who get angry with us and would attack us in their anger. Most of the time we simply stay away from them until it calms down.

How Amy is feeling right now is because she chose to stay and listen. She did not have to. But something inside of her wanted this. God only knows what. But she got what she wanted for whatever reason she wanted it.

Wiseolowl

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm falling into the Roddy trap -this Amy has not only had something-teen car accidents - she is a car accident -get her off the show .. not only for her own sake but everybody elses! Don't think I can take another week of this B rated melodrama and the psychobabble excuses that so many people make for her.

Bigbrotherbelle

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"No, Roddy should not have said what he said. "

Good, we agree.

What555456

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, BBbelle we do agree on that. What we do not agree on is that I feel no sympathy for Amy. But then I feel none for rod either, even though I know he too is hurt and that hurt is coming out as anger.

They are all getting what they have asked for. To portray any of them as victims, or a someone others should protect like we would a child in the same siotuation, is to not see that this is what they agreed to -- and what they are willing to do simply because of their greed for money.

One cannot lower oneself to being motivated solely by greed and not have to pay a price for it.

Kristylovesbb

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy thinks, in his warped mind, he is killing the houseguests with kindness. He does not understand the concept because he is going about it all wrong. He belittles them then tells them he loves them. This man is EVIL! If I were Amy I would have said- Roddy I did not veto you because you are an unkind person and you are not nearly as smart as you think you are. You have lost this game due to your lack of brains and the fact that you used and manipulated people and it came back to bite you in the butt.

Wendo

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The point is, he "knows" he can do this to her and HE should walk away and be an adult. He's the one with the psyche degree, he knows exactly what he's doing when he does this.

And, we're not talking about Amy here, were talking about Roddy behavior. Despite the fact she's sat there and listened, does not absolve Roddy of his viscous and mean spirited comments to her.

He mixed personal with the game and that's low. Lower than what anyone else has done in this game.

I really wish Lisa, Jason, and Dani wouldn't do the sympathy vote thing. A) I don't think he deserves it, and B) It's a great risk.

Allietex

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 03:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy has been on the block four times and not once has she acted remotely as vicious as Roddy is. Not even the week when she compaigned for one vote. I think essentially, she feels guilty for vetoing him. She has some reservations about whether she owed him the vote. I personally do not believe she did because she saved him 2 weeks ago. Perhaps she feels she deserves this treatment. And he is going to foster that feeling trying to get her to do something stupid to tick off the others. Just as he did with Josh. If that is not the reason then what on earth does he expect to accomplish by his behavior?

I had some idea that underneath all of Roddy's actions he was basically a good person and a gentleman. That idea has been shattered and believe me I am sad because I like to believe there is good in everyone.

So what if he is pain. So is Amy. If berating her is going to lessen his pain then he is a despicable person. He is being the poorest sport of them all. The other times he was nominated, I don't think he had any idea that he might go so he acted pretty nice. This time I believe he knows this is it, so he is being mean and nasty. Even Josh after his first rant, at least isolated himself. And he never berated anyone the way Roddy is doing. He has to go this week.

What555456

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Wendo. Of course he knows he can do this to her. But he can only do it if she allows it. Why does he have the be the 'adult" and not her? Adults vent. other adults walk away when they do. She is the one who was being hurt by what was being said. She should have removed herself form the situation.

The idea that any of the HG's has any obligation to protect Amy from the "adults" in the house is a silly idea.

If Amy was hurt -- it is because she allowed it to happen. Rod could have had no impact if she did not want him to.

And if she is that vulnerable and can not protect herself, perhaps she should leave the house. It is going to get very rough in there in the next few weeks. Are we all going to be spending our time hoping Amy is not bruised by the battles that are brewing? And feeling sorry for her because the others did not act like 'adults" and protect her?

Maris

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 04:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Isnt it great to watch these people who have passed judgement on previous nominees behaving badly. Well when they know that they are going this time, all that behaving like a good sport and always being aware of the cameras seems to just go out the window.

Someone should just send roddy a banner and say "You blew the sound byte"

Wendo

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What, I understand what you're saying. The point is, Amy was hoping he would still be her friend. He even said to her last night that anyone who lied to him in the game would not be his friend. How is she supposed to feel when he makes such a statement that is well outside the bounds of the game.

Yeah, Amy should have walked away. But, Roddy's the one with the Psyche Degree, he should have stopped, he went beyond any sort of ethics in regard to having that degree.

I've really tried in recent weeks to relax my opinion of Roddy. But after today, it's not going to happen. If he wins, so be it. But I won't be applauding him at all.

Maris, I thought Roddy would've behaved better, personally. He's preached all along about how one should be when on the block. Too bad he couldn't hold himself to the standard he set.

What555456

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 04:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Agreed Maris. they are all so smug when it is not them. And when it is their turn, they tend to be worse than those they were attacking.

I expect a major blow up from Rod before Thursday. A very nasty mean one. He is not taking this well and will attack back, I think.

Bigbrotherbelle

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 04:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
posted on wrong thread.

Calgaryperson

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have been trying to follow this, so one blank question-was veto used by Amy this week?

Bigbrotherbelle

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 08:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No.

Astraea

Monday, September 02, 2002 - 09:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you for clearing that up, Bigbrotherbelle, I have to go reread the last few bits now that I know.

Astraea

Allietex

Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry was hurt when he was nominated and not vetoed, but I did not see him browbeating the other houseguests. The worst thing he did was a mild approach to Roddy about the possibility of working a deal to stay. When that fell through he graciously accepted the inevitble. That is because Gerry is a mature gentleman and Roddy is an immature cry baby.

Yes Amy should have gotten up and walked away or told Roddy off to his face, but I suspect that contrary to some of her behavior, Amy has been raised a lady who does not walk out on someone older and in a position of authority, as she obviously views Roddy.

She may also have felt a certain amount of guilt and thought she deserved it until Roddy went too far.

She may also have been slightly stunned and just did not know how to react knowing her reaction would be televised to the world. And before you say she did not worry about the world while she was drinking, she was a little drunk and she just viewed those actions as having a good time. Totally different from a personal confrontation with Roddy.

Sorry, there are several explanations for Amy's not walking away. There is none for Roddy's behavior. He touts himself as the wise, kind, patient, awesome friend but his tirade was very short of that. It was immature, vicious, and stupid. It killed any sympathy or possibility he might convince the others to vote Amy out instead of him. Until last night I felt that of all his conniving, Roddy was at least a gentleman. I was wrong!

Tweepee

Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 04:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hello, but we seem to be waaaaay off topic now, and the thread is HUGE. tie an anchor to this one and let 'er sink into the archives!

Chancesdesign

Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 04:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy has her faults, but it was unforgivable for Roddy to treat her that way. She is very needy and is always looking for approval for her actions, especially from Roddy. I am not saying this is a good trait and I wish she would get over it. Unfortunately, she is very immature emotionally. That is just her nature. Roddy knows that and instead of saying something like, "I know it is not personal and is part of the game. I understand why you did it...", he just said things to make her feel even worse.

It wouldn't be so bad if he was actually expressing his real emotions and telling Amy the way it is. She does need to learn to deal with others feelings and emotions and not just her own. But Roddy is making things up just to torment her. He doesn't actually think that Amy "took the easy way out" but not keeping her word to him. He knows that promise was made weeks ago and noone would ever hold her to it. Especially after Roddy took it upon himself to nominate her, ridicule her during the nomination speech, get her voted out 7-0 and campaign against her again last week.

Roddy is just getting his kicks by making Amy cry. It's not like she has any control at this point anyway. She can't even vote. Unless he thinks he can make her so miserable that she will go to D, J and L and ask them to vote her out. Actually, that is probably exactly what he would like to happen.