Archive through August 26, 2002
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Archive through August 26, 2002
Theo17 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:19 am     mr bozack I'm not stereotyping. You basically said the same thing I did. Many male figure skaters are bi also. That doesnt mean they all are or that the majority are. I dont see gerry kidding around with marcy with all the sexual comments. It has been a non stop deal. Gay people know when they are being hit on just like straight people know. I do not like the way marcy treats gerry but I do not blame him for thinking gerry wants his package. Gerry even told marcy he could pass his finger test. Gerry is basically walking around with a shirt that says he wants marcy. I do feel marcy and cbs have treated gerry very badly but its obvious to me gerry wants marcy |
Draco | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:20 am     Mr_Bozack - I agree. That theatre comment was a big generalization. I don't think Gerry is bi but, even if he was, regardless, it's not appropriate for him to make someone else uncomfortable with his behaviour. Marcellus needs to speak up. |
Rissa | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:22 am     Squardsc, I understand your point but quite seriously if you were to sit on the sink and try to talk to me while I was in shower, then you had better be yelling cause otherwise I would not hear you. I have no hearing problems (before you ask. LOL) but with walls on three sides and a 3/4 glass wall on the other, plus water in my ears and the noise of the shower itself? I have taken showers and gotten out and had phone messages which I hadn't heard ring and missed doorbells. |
Demeter | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:29 am     Last night Marci, Lisa and Danielle were discussing this incident. Marci was talking about how creepy it was and Danielle and Lisa were talking about a time that Chiara did the same thing to Danielle and how uncomfortable Danielle was and how she confronted Chiara about looking at her. I don't remember seeing the Danielle/Lisa incident on the LFs, but I saw the Gerry/Marci incident and Marci did tell Gerry to get back away. So, yes it happened, yes Marc complained, and no, I don't think the producers staged it, they just took advantage of the shot and aired it. |
Off2cthwizrd | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:30 am     Actually, I think the shower scene between Marc and Gerry happened when they got out of the gross HoH tub competition with all the squid and everything. |
Squaredsc | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:35 am     lol rissa, on the other hand, he could have stood near the door, but didn't have to lean over and look at him, or waited until he was finished if he wanted to talk. imo fwiw. |
Theo17 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:38 am     people are different but if I absolutely had to talk to anybody male or female when they were in the whoer I would just turn my back to the shower and look straight up or down. Just common respect for somebodys privacy. |
Sobaditsgood | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:42 am     Uh... what's a 'finger test'? [why do i get the feeling i might be sorry i asked...] |
Bbholden | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:48 am     I just don't see what all the hoopla is about. So what if Gerry stood and looked at Marcellas and his body? So what? The house itself lends an atmosphere of informality. The bathroom is more of a gathering/social center then a utilitarian bathroom for public use. They eat in the bathroom, or damn close so their idea of privacy is not the same as someone who is in their own home. I've seen most of the houseguests, except for Amy and Jason, stand and talk to people in the shower.. as close as Gerry was... in some cases (Tonya & Chiara) a whole lot closer. Just let it go. If Gerry is gay, bi or no sex at all... if Marci didn't like it he could of spoke up. These people expect others to read their minds. Well it isn't like that and they ought to get over it... and so should we. There ought to be some regard for the families that will be reading these posts. Be honest, be open, but come on, be real and have some consideration. It's NOT our business and it's certainly NOT our business to delve further than the HGs themselves feel like revealing. Besides, haven't we learned our lesson with Clinton? It just isn't our business, nor the reason for this forum. We must not put out false rumors. It makes us, not the HGs look shallow and less than kind. </rant> |
Bimsi | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:48 am     I too found the shower scene CREEPY (but funny also)! I think that Gerry is trying to show that he is cool with the fact that Marcellas is gay and is treating M. the way he (Gerry) thinks that friends act and talk to and with other gay friends?? Does that make sense? I think he is trying to be on an equal with Marcellas but isn't suceeding, almost overcompensating. |
Babyruth | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:51 am     I think Gerry has an unusual (and interesting) lack of self-conciousness in everything he does and the way he moves about. He seems unaware of how his natural actions affect others unless he is directly told, and then he seems surprised but very willing to make a change. This has been seen over and over again in his personal habits, and in his seeming lack of awareness of the personal space of others. I think he just really wants Marcellas to like him, and doesn't get it that Marcellas doesn't. *** Having said that, may I also add that I agree with BBholden's excellent post. |
Crazydog | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:52 am     Thank you everyone for the comments, I appreciate hearing everyone's opinion. I agree with squaredsc, there is nothing wrong with talking to someone at the shower, it's just the way Gerry hung his hands over the bar and stared into the shower that I found odd. Sobaditsgood, you're right you probably don't want to know. But from what I gather it involves anal sex. Marc had talked about how gay men know they have to douche beforehand but that he still gives it the "finger test" (i.e. he checks to see if his finger is clean, if it's not clean then he's done). Gerry's "finger test" comment came about when Marc had the conversation with Gerry about hygiene (which never aired on the TV show). Gerry was a little offended that people were complaining about the handwashing bit and said that his private parts were very clean, he's got hemmoroids so he always has to make sure he cleans himself very well and that he would definitely pass Marc's "finger test". Yes, it was too much information on Gerry's part, and mine, but since you asked.... |
Theo17 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:53 am     sorbats you are right, you dont want to know. LOL lets just say gerry said he could pass it because he had hemroids and had to keep a certain area very clean. |
Earthmother | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:53 am     Gerry thinks they are friends because Marc has basically made him think that. Marc was stuck on him like glue when Gerry was HOH and made Gerry think they were a team. If they were trying to have a convo (whispering) while Marc was in the shower it would make sense for Gerry to be up against the door. Gerry asked him if it made him uncomfortable (mature) Marc said "yes", Gerry backed away. Why does everthing have to be sexual? Believe it or not things go on in this world that have absolutely nothing to do with SEX. |
Sobaditsgood | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:54 am     eek! thanks crazydog. (i just HAD to ask, didn't i.....) |
Draco | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:55 am     That's pretty gross....sounds like Gerry is taking Chiara's place in the house! |
Rissa | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:56 am     I think the bottom line is that Gerry asked very clearly if it bothered Marc. that he was talking to him while he was showering and Marc. said "NO!!!" Marc has shown he has a mouth and good Lord, can he work it, all he had to say was 'YES, sorry but could you back up a bit please'. Bimsi, good point. Sqaredsc.. probably right, but I see Gerry not as bi or gay but just totally lacking a clue. LOLOL |
Sassylady | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 09:57 am     Gerry is trying so hard to proove to Marcellas that he accepts Marcellas's sexuality. He does this by trying to treat Marcellas like he would any other guy. Gerry keeps saying that Marcellas is not comfortable having a relationship with a straight man. What Gerry doesn't know yet, is that Marcellas just doesn't want anything to do with him period. As far as laying on the bed with Marcellas, I just viewed that as Gerry being lonely--wanting to lay there and "talk" and when he saw that Marcellas didn't want to talk to him he pats him and says go to sleep buddy, or something like that, so it appears he is leaving on his own accord, not that he is being ignored once again. I find it sad the way no one will really give Gerry the time of the day. That is one thing I will give Roddy(as much as I hate giving him anything) Roddy at least plays chess with him and doesn't get into the Gerry trashing.
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Crazydog | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:00 am     Babyruth, that was well said. I agree 100%. Earthmother, they weren't whispering or having a private conversation, Gerry was talking at Marc and was openly staring over the top of the shower. As much as I don't like Gerry, I don't think it was about sex. I never stated that I thought Gerry was bi or gay. I just stated that I thought it was strange. I think the fact that Gerry had to ASK Marc if he found someone putting his head on the shower bar and openly leering into the shower at someone's body is odd. It's just something you would think one would understand. Others have leaned over the shower and talked to each other, but for the most part I think that was Roddy/Chiara and Eric/Lisa, two couples who did indeed have a sexual attraction for one another. |
Dixiebelle31 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:01 am     Gerry wouldn't (or shouldn't) do what he is doing (staring in general at Marc, hanging over the shower, making crude comments about sugardaddy, calling stunning) to any of the women in the house and he would probably get smacked if he did it to Roddy or Jason, so why does he feel he can do those things with Marcellas and get away with it. With the women it would be right at sexual harrassment. |
Beagle | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:01 am     Very well put, Sassylady.
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Rose_City | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:03 am     BBholden and Sassylady: Clap! Clap! Clap! Exactly! |
Theo17 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:03 am     sassylady thats what I thought also in the beginning but it seems to go much furthur now. I "accept" gay people but I dont go around asking them if they want a white sugar daddy or patting them on the butt. People are people. Nothing to accept or not accept. Either way I feel bad for gerrys kids. They are going to hear a lot of crap about their dad. |
Spunky | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:04 am     Well, BB editors may have a hand in it.... but what surprises me is that Marcellas repeatedly told Gerry to back off but he keeps staring... There was a recent pic I saw somewhere else where poor Marcellas was just out of the shower trying to dry himself off and Gerry patting him on his back and then the next pic where Marcellas shows his grossed out facial expression.. It's a bit comic but a bit weird as well. Gerry should not insist on making Marcellas uncomfortable. Obviously he was replying to a BB question in the DR when Gerry said: "I don't have a problem getting close to Marcellas because I feel secure in my own sexuality..." or something like that. That excuse is not enough to justify his weird attitude.. I wonder what his wife may be thinking after they aired such an embarrassing fact about her husband. She may be laughing..but I surely wouldn't were I in her place, I would rant against BB producers and some... |
Woodpecke® | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:07 am     Gerry looking at Marcellus in the shower is no more creepy than Marcellus leering and making comments about straight men in the house. I see this whole thread as serving no purpose at all. If Gerry thinks Marcellus is hot, that is his choice. Marcellus has been far more vocal and direct in his evaluation of others than Gerry has been. It is an interesting twist to see Gerry putting Marcellus on the defensive, even if Gerry had no idea he was doing it. |
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