How will/has Amy treated Marcellus after that awful speech?
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Blossumtree | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:48 pm     if i were in that house i could guarantee marcy and i would not get along, he represents a certain type of gay man that i just can't tolerate. he's shallow, self-obsessed, materialistic, and dis-loyal. is he representative of all gay men? certainly not, but having known many marcelluses i do understand what's behind his personality. If amy still wants to be his friend then I think she would do herself a favor by maintaining a distant friendship with him. in some ways he's not that much different than roddy in that he magnifies other people's flaws and makes them feel like sh*t for not being as perfect as he is. if i were amy and marcy had even said the same things to me i would have immediately reminded him of all the vile things he said about gerry. but amy is very young, perhaps if she had more years behind her belt she would have been able to better stand up to marcellus...and roddy. i just hope she doesn't leave the show thinking she's the bad person they've tried to convince her that she is. |
Theo17 | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:52 pm     Roddy must be a friend to Amy and not Marcy after all it was roddy who 1) Gave her her first vicious eviction speech after nominating her. 2) Strongarmed the votes against her. 3) Voted against her coming back 4) Campaigned to get her thrown out of the house again last week. 5) Is now asking her to commit suicide (game wise) to save him. Marcy and jason are her friends. friends do not all get along all the time. Roddy is not amys friend at all. |
Theo17 | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:55 pm     Blossum does it piss you off that they put him in there instead of a more normal less dramatic gay man? I would be. The funny thing is Marcy seemed to look down on bunky and his crying. All things considered I thought Bunky gave a much more favorable impression. That said I think Marcy is pretty much the only comic relief on the show so I want him there. Danni is kinda funny sometimes in her dr's also. We need the laughs |
Maris | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:55 pm     Dani playing the game is not different than Marcellas playing the game IMHO. Lets look at it: Danni - forms alliances with Lisa, Jason and Marcellas. Danni told Marcellas she would dump Lisa and it will be just the two of them. Danni told chiara that she loved her and had her back She trashed her all over the place, called her a ho and then told Jason and Lisa to vote her out. Danni in a conversation with Gerry said that Roddy is evil because he doesnt have God. Danni tells Gerry she is with him and then sets him up to be the outcast at least three times with Marcellas and the others. Danni manipulates Marcellas and goes all ethnic when it is just the two of them. She plays the race card with him as though that should be enough of a basis for him to be loyal to her but she is going to dump him faster than you can say "It's ghetto". Last night Danni says Oh Amy I am so glad you are back in the house, fast forward half an hour and she is telling Marcellas she has to go because she is untrustworthy and a liar. Danni tells Jason two weeks ago she was dumping Marcellas because he couldnt be trusted. Danni also threatened to dump Jason when she thought he had an alliance with Roddy. All the time she is trash talking her closest friends she is telling them it is just the two of them at the end. After she gets them evicted she talks about "its business" Danni talks about how she has some ethical or moral standard that is higher than Tonya, Chiara, Roddy. She is cleaner than Gerry, not as insane as Lori, not as spoilt as Amy. Marcellas talks about how this about who should have the honor of living in the house, who is deserving of living with them. It is all the same thing. They are all creeps in my book. I hope somebody just says "it's business" in their goodbye video to her, hopefully next week. |
Observerx | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:01 pm     Rain: Observerx, in what way has Marcellus ever been persecuted? Saying Marcellus is persecuted is just "too much" (sort of political correctness run amuck, lol). Marcellus just doesn't have a very good basic character, and as time goes on it shows more and more. Maybe that was the wrong term to use. You just tend to know when you are not accepted by a majority of society, so it's more of a general feeling of "non-acceptance" by so many people that don't even know you (and even people you do know and love). That could cause one to create defense mechanism, which shows up as a character flaw. Marc is obviously very insecure and has been hurt by others so he hurts others and pushes them away or keeps them at arms length. Again, I'm not making excuses. I don't like Marc. I can only excuse someone for their life experience to a point and then it's a matter of how have they dealt with it. |
Blossumtree | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:02 pm     Theo, yes, it would be nice to just have an average joe in there who happens to be gay. last year it frustrated the hell out of me that Bunky was the house b*tch which the "real men" bullied around. so this year we have a drama queen who's seen Mommie Dearest waaaay too many times. i suppose the producers feel that stereotypes make for great TV. |
Observerx | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:04 pm     Hey Barefootdyke! love the handle |
Theo17 | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:08 pm     Blossum I think you are 100% right. Its too bad. would be nice to see it the other way around but wouldnt be as good for ratings. By the way I know I will be flamed for this but I think there is a chance of the members of the house this year was possibly in the closet. |
Earthmother | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:10 pm     Marc's own mother said on national tv that she did not accept him for a long time, and was disappointed in his being gay. Not being accepted by those you love can make you jaded. If you can't trust your mother for acceptance who can you trust? He is extremely hard on those people who profess they care about him and perhaps this is why. I am in no way (and you all know how I felt about the mean ugly things he has said) making excuses for him, but he has obvious issues with trust, and seems to take shows of affection as manipulation and dishonesty. He has a problem with what he perceives as people doing the wrong thing. I remember when his mother in so many words made the same comment about how she is perceived being the mother of a gay man. We don't know how many times he and his mom discussed how hurt she was because of "what will the neighbors think" and put these perception ideas in his head. My son has friends who have trust issues as well because their parents haven't accepted their life-style. Mom's should accept their kids unconditionally. The damage they cause by putting conditions on their kids can result in personality disorders among other things. I'm so glad that when my son came to me and told me he was gay, my response was "thank God I thought you were going to tell me you you were on drugs or something." That's my baby and if anyone said anything about him I would turn into the meannest Ol' mamma bear you ever saw. Amy has her own issues with trust. She also says she comes from a small town that judges people on perception. I think she just rebels against it. I think she may be so used to being told her behavior stinks that once the initial anger is over she will go right back to being Marc's little puppet. It is truly a dysfunctional relationship, but I do think they reallly care about each other. |
Secretsmile | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:20 pm     OK, now I'm just gonna put this out there... My husband treats me exactly like Marcellas treats Amy, it's why I was stating that being gay isn't the only thing that makes a man treat a close friend that way. |
Earthmother | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:25 pm     Secretsmile, honey I understood it the first time you posted, but sometimes people don't read carefully. You'd be surprised what I've been accused of saying because someone didn't get what I really said..lol and you are right..I said the same thing about Amy and she is not gay. There are many reasons why people act the way they do and it has nothing to do with sexual preferrence, gender, religion, etc. |
Blossumtree | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:27 pm     earthmother, i agree with your observation of marcellus. this is what i've been trying to say. also, being gay and coming from a not so approving family myself I understand why he is the way his. but i definitely don't like it. BTW, your son is very lucky to have a mom like you. |
Secretsmile | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:28 pm     LOL, PHEW! Earthmother, THANKS!!! ROFLMAO!! (BTW, we've been married for more than 20yrs) |
Earthmother | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 01:40 pm     Blossumtree, I know he is lucky I tell him that all the time..lol Secretsmile..We marry people and stay with them faults and all...33 years, anal retentive (need I say more). lol |
Observerx | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 02:19 pm     Earthmother: Ditto what Blossumtree said!! Secretsmile: You are right on! Theo17: I really appreciate you! |
Amagansett | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 03:08 pm     When Amy returned to the house, she told Marcellas in front of the other players that everybody out there just loves him and he is so popular. Now the other day, he read aloud in the letter from his sister that he is "a celebrity." I think he has a skewed impression of his stature. It seems to be giving him permission to lash out and act out like crazy, all in the name of taking the moral high road. |
Theo17 | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 03:13 pm     amagansett (is that a name or where you live) they all think they will be celebritys. Last years guests all had agents. They wont be celebritys and really why would they be in any form other than a kato kalin type? They dont have some great talent. They got picked for one of the 100 or so reality shows. 5 years from now Nobody will remember any of them is my guess. That doesnt mean they arent good people. Just means there 15 minutes of fame is already over extended. |
Secretsmile | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 03:20 pm     So...to get back to the title of the thread....IMHO, I don't think Amy will treat Marcellas as anything less than her best loved friend. She will not think he needs to apolgize to her, she will accept anything he throws her way and then hug him. That's because she doesn't put conditions on her love, and because she knows he will treat her better when they are alone. |
Nimtu | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 03:26 pm     Secret, I think you are right. In addition to your reasons for her not treating Mar. differently, she also stated (I'm pretty sure?) that she does not like conflict/confrontation (I think when discussing the Tonya incident). I do really wish she would stand up for herself with these people!! |
Janekat0629 | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:42 pm     Another possibility is that she knows that if she wants to stay in the house she had better be pleasant. Look what happened to Josh when he acted up. Although it may be doubtful because she doesn't seem to have the ability to analyze others. |
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