Cameltoes | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:34 pm     BBbelle: I love how Amy subtly reminded him that she has been through that type of nomination speech twice. |
Allietex | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:01 pm     Does anyone see the irony of Marcellas saying of Gerry ,"I did not come into this house to be anyone's protege?" Isn't that exactly the way he is treating Amy? Like she is his protege? |
Azriel | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:20 pm     Am I the only one that is sick because Amy thinks Roddy is playing her? The people that are really playing her are M/D/L and J. |
Bmh | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:23 pm     Azriel..you are wrong there they are all playing Amy..Roddy wants to play her too..they all do..just because you are rooting for Roddy doesn't mean he isn't playing her either..no matter who she listens to she is gettin played..it is quite sad..I pity Amy.. |
Maris | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:24 pm     Yes they are all playing her and I have a hope I realize it isnt realistic for Amy to announce at the veto meeting that she has been played and it wasnt just by Roddy. Then veto roddy, go pack her bags and say good luck sugar in this nest of vipers but I dont want the money that badly. Fun is over for me. |
Goddessatlaw | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:25 pm     Truthfully, Azriel, they're all playing each other at this point. The house is so small now, how could they not? The difference is: who's getting caught at it? |
Bigbrotherbelle | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:25 pm     "Am I the only one that is sick because Amy thinks Roddy is playing her? The people that are really playing her are M/D/L and J." I'm not, cause they are all playing her. This at least gives her a chance to stay.. if she used the veto she'd be gone this week. If she doesn't, Roddy is gone and she has a shot at HoH. |
Goddessatlaw | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:26 pm     Bmh, Maris - have the three of us ever agreed on anything in the past? What is this board coming to. I'm afraid of you both right now. |
Maris | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:29 pm     I dont know, are we agreeing??? I better go back and rethink, maybe I was in the sun too long today. |
Bmh | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:29 pm     lol..I am scared to Goddess..I'm speechless almost..this is very scary..maybe it is all the excitement over the last 24 hours who knows..but it is definitely freaky..but in a good way |
Azriel | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:34 pm     You know I'm not blind to the fact that Roddy wants to stay in the house and to that extent yes he is playing on Amy's sympathies, but I think Roddy is being a lot more honest to Amy than the other people in the house. I hate that she is perceiving him as the devil. I hate that she plans some awful speech for him. I think she is trying so hard to be what those other people want her to be and to think like they want her to think that she isn't even thinking for herself anymore. |
Cameltoes | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:42 pm     I disagree about Amy not thinking for herself. No matter how much they called him the devil, she liked him and wanted him to stay. She made sure Chiara was evicted when she found out about their plans to evict Roddy. She never backed down on that point. She even told Marcellas a story about a friend she had who none of her other friends liked but she was her friend anyway and sometimes that's just the way it has to be. She was obviously referring to Roddy. She turned on Roddy all on her own last night. It was her own personal realization. Danielle had nothing to do with it. Marcellas had nothing to do with it. Jason had nothing to do with it. Lisa had nothing to do with it. The man was angling for her to use the POV and could not even promise to vote for her to stay if she used the veto to save him. THAT's what did it for her. And, yes, everyone is palying everyone right now but that moment was all about Amy and Roddy. They will all ultimately have their eyes opened to things they don't see now. This was Amy's moment and she was absolutely thinking for herself. |
Azriel | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:50 pm     Cameltoes, Marcellas had everything to do with it. Didn't you hear the speech he gave her at nomination? Wasn't that speech all about Roddy being untrustworthy and Amy associating with him? Do you think Amy hasn't been listening to Danielle call him the devil everyday? I don't think Amy came to this revelation all by herself. |
Maris | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:53 pm     Marcellas, Danni and Jason just now talking about Amy and the POV. Marcellas is making excuses about why he gave that speech and Jason saying he doesn't thinks he will use the POV. They are not so sure what she is going to do. Marcellas is harping on his nomination speech and somehow bringing it back to Roddy using Amy to try and find out who he was going to nominate. Now he is saying he is giving Roddy a fighting chance by putting him up against Amy. |
Bigbrotherbelle | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:53 pm     Roddy had to prove it to her himself, which he did last night. You could almost see the realization when it happened. She talked to Roddy for a few hours, went into the HoH, grabbed her pillow, went into the lizard room, and sat on her bed. I was thinking what is she doing?? All of a sudden, she jumps up, and heads to the HoH... you could hear the determination in her voice. Sorry, but Roddy himself proved to her that he was not looking out for her in the game when he said he would not veto her and when he said he may not even vote for her to stay if she vetoes him. |
Kmjm | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:07 pm     I hope that Amy points out in her speech that just like she has had to learn some hard personal lessons in the house, so too Roddy needs to look at himself. That would be just too deliciously ironic. |
Robinyyes | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:16 pm     Yanno...Roddy does play people BUT he would not promise to vote on her behalf should she veto him. To me, thats being honest. To you it may be Roddy once again playing Amy; but I think Dani played her worse when Amy was HOH and I think they are playing her worse now with that fake "I feel so badly for her" crud. What they are doing is setting Mar's exit up for next week. But she'll learn that and she'll then want to contact Roddy and apologize to him too. You might think Roddy is smarmy but compared to most of this bunch I think he's been pretty honest and upfront. |
Bailey | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:25 pm     If Roddy was playing her, he would've told her yes and then did the opposite if Lisa was put up in his place. Robinyyes is right, he was being honest. (Honest to a fault, imo). The rest are playing her.. and that makes me feel really sad for Amy. If she goes thru with that speech on Monday.. I think she'll come to regret it big time. Especially after she walks out the door the following week. |
Cameltoes | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:37 pm     Yet again I disagree. For me the issue is that he was fully prepared for HER to use the veto and save him even though he said he could not make her the same promise and could not even promise her a vote if she used it. That's why I believe he was playing her. IMO, the honorable thing would have been to tell her not to use it because she would be cutting her own throat and because he could not make the same promise to her. Allowing her to save him KNOWING she would be screwing herself over is pretty low. Even with Chiara, he initially told her that neither of them should use it because they would be cutting their own throats. He didn't say that with Amy. He sees the writing on the wall just all well as he did when he and Chiara were on the block and treated Amy as an expendable commodity to her face. Sure, they are all shady in the house but even if you take away the personal and look at it strictly strategically, it was plain stupid. Lie, backstab, doublecross... whatever it takes to win but to say to someone's face that you are willing to watch them cut their own throat and to have the audacity to expect to get away with it is absurd. |
Roamjotiba | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:38 pm     How does the power of veto work if a nominee uses it? In the begining they said the one using the veto could not be nominated so if a nominee uses it does Marcellas have to put up 2 more? Wishful thinking here I know probably a nominee would stay on the chopping block if they used power of veto but was this explained definitely? |
Lombadier | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:38 pm     As much as I like Roddy, I don't blame Amy for being upset with him for choosing Lisa over her when it comes to voting. I commend him for his honesty with her on it, but it was a dumb, dumb move. He could have made a deal with Amy but nooo, he wants to somehow save Lisa, who wants him out and is allied to his 'enemies'. |
Dee723 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:41 pm     Cameltoes I agree with you. It was appalling that he was wanting her to veto HIM but then couldn't offer her the same deal. Why this was a wake up call to her and not his nomination speech to her weeks ago is beyond me, but at least she got the message loud and clear. |
Cameltoes | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:42 pm     Roam: If a nominee uses it, they can only save the other nominee. The HOH then immediately has to put someone up in place of the vetoed nominee. |
Spunky | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:43 pm     Roamjotiba, Amy being the nominee and the holder of POV can only Veto her opponent, Roddy. Marcellas will have to replace Amy with 1 hg. It's a compelling scenario but one many of us rather not see... |
Jimmer | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:45 pm     I don't understand why Roddy wouldn't commit to supporting Amy if she vetoes him. What is his logic in refusing to commit to this? It just doesn't make any sense. |