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Pinky780

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Floresmamma: Amy shouldn't take a threat from anyone. I hope she's thinking enough to be thinking about everyone. She should not use the POV. Then focus on HG trivia (since she has so much free time) and try her best to win HOH. Then when Marci tries to say something to her, make it clear that he's going up against Dani. I hope she's thinking enough to see that all except Lisa and Jason have dogged her. She can avenge one this week, then scare (and ignore) the other 2 next week. Even if POV contest is still used next week and Jason wins & vetos Dani, she will have had a scare. If Lisa wins it, she may not use it at all.

Nimtu

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What I can't remember is when did she give Roddy her word that she would use veto on him. Help? Also, if she doesn't and gets HOH next week, is the following week the one in which she can compete for it as well?

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
nim she told him that before roddy kicked her out of the house with his own nasty nomination speech. He is classic to expect her to veto him after that.

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Uhmm ... Lisa has actually dogged Amy before. Maybe you never noticed or you have forgotten.

Floresmama

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am hoping Amy will stick with her word and not use POV but after reading the live feeds from last night I am not so sure. She all but told him what was going to happen. I was so happy yesterday and now to day I am depressed again.

I am not sure how much more I can stand to watch of Roddy's pure manipulation. All the while talking about integrity.

Nimtu

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Theo! Must have been a self imposed memory block cause now I remember it perfectly! He really is a piece of work! I'm sure if she uses it he will remind her that it's proper for her to thank him for reminding her.

Bohawkins

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The one thing that is left about the show which still holds some facination for me is the amazing manipulative power that Roddy wields.

Like so many posters on this board, I really don't care who wins it now. But, I would be blown away if Roddy has convinced Amy to use the Power of Veto to save him. And, I love being blown away.

If Roddy has pulled that off, after Amy's passionate declarations that she was going to "play with" Roddy's head, then the guy deserves further observation. I think if he accomplishes that, then I will look forward to seeing how he handles the others one by one.

Actually Roddy's position that he took was Amy is entirely correct and fair. His technique was actually not manipulative at all, but characteristic of a good, reasoned, negotiating style. The strongest plea anyone can ever make in any negotiation is to be able say, "I call on you to do what is right," and then be able show the other party that what you are asking for fits that definition. He got her to look at what she was doing in terms of her own morality and spiritual code (much as he did Jason). The fact is that she did trade for his POV box, with a promise that if she ever got the Power of Veto, and he was on the block, she would use it to save him. He did a good job of making her realize that if she doesn't do that, she breaks her promise. That is a very strong challenge to put to anyone who has a shred of a conscience. I think Amy has more than just a shred, and the gravity of breaking that promise must be working on her head right now.

Go Roddy!!

Maris

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
and it is a promise if given to Dani, Jason, Lisa or Marcellas, that every one of them would expect and demand that she keep.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just another roddy victom if she listens. Breaks promise stays in game. Listens to rioddy bye bye amy. In my mind that promise was null and vloid once he gave her a nasty nomination speech and strong armed her out the door. Nevermind that just last week he was trying to get her evicted.

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You guys should stop tripping. Amy using POV is not the only way for Roddy to survive. The POV is simply one of the ways and the easiest of all.

And I can imagine how degraded Amy would feel if she snubbed Roddy with her POV and, further, gave a mean speech but ended up realising she lost it all. She would be depressed when she sees how her selfishness, as Roddy or Marcellas like to say, led to her defeat again.

I am telling ya, the POV is not the only way for Roddy to survive. We were all convinced on other instances that Roddy was doomed, but it didn't happen even when it seemed so likely.

No offence, but I'm afraid, despite how manipulative Roddy is, he is not alone to be blamed for Amy's emotional state. I am sorry to call this, but I must call it what it is: She's asking for a quid pro quo. And because she's a woman, people are ignoring this. Roddy never declared her his gf. She's the one that so desperately wants his affection, and then she tries to make him look like a user because she keeps pushing herself onto him and he isn't saying "no".

Maris

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I watched her entire talk with Roddy last night and I left with the clear impression that she was not going to use the Power of Veto.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 04:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris thats not true if under these same conditions. roddy has never done anything for amy and has done many things to her. The big thing is he got her evicted and last week tried to get her evicted again.

C1mag

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dang I thought for sure while I was gone that she woud have opened that big mouth of hers about her little talk with Dracula by now...

Thats not a good sign at all. When she feels like she has gained approval of the house she runs to them with the news. Instead she isn't talking about how "smart" she was when talking to him. That tells me she has indeed shifted.


The lousy part is that they never went to her and asked her what she would do with pov. She called them into the hoh yesterday all on her own. She announced with great strength she had him all figured out and then she announced she would not be using the veto on him. No one begged her. They didn't even initially want to talk to her about. No one manipulated her into this choice. She made it all on her own.

I guess the rest is up to her. She either keeps him in the house which basically casuses her to fall on the sword for him this week, or she keeps him on the block and she relaxes and looks at the next hoh as her safety net. If she pulls back on her promise to the house which she offered then I hope mon-thur is living hell for her.

I love how pity has generated itself for her because the others aren't saying golden things about her any longer. This is one person who has definitely dished it out in big doses so an Amy bash within the house is very acceptable. She's been just as crude, rude and crass as the rest of them. Not too mention her tantrums and spoiled nature that they have to put up with.

From the second she has been back she has gotten what she wanted. She was handed hoh. She got them to give her Chiara on a silver platter. She's had tons of Roddy time which has been gross to watch. I can fully understand why the house has had enough of her. She shouldn't have brought them all together and announced she wasn't going to use the veto if she planned on keeping him. I totally understand why they are avoiding her. It's just not worth it anymore. What will be will be. Either way she needs to go as soon as possible.

Sam222

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1MAG...their really hasn't been any alone time today, they all woke up and then it was America's Choice so there really hasn't been a time for her to spill about last night yet, hopefully later on when things have died down she can talk about it and she some light-crossing my fingers!

Bmh

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1..I think the Rodman is finally on his way out..the hg's aren't giving her the attention she wants..I'm sure if they asked she would spill the whole thing..but Lisa,Dani,Jason,and Marc decided that they wouldn't pressure Amy at all about the POV..because if they did she would get mad and out of spite veto Roddy..so they are leaving her alone..which is a good thing..because when Amy is under pressure she lashes out..I mean I think it is safe to say that she isn't going to use the veto..besides if she was..I would think she would at least let Roddy know..but from her conversation last night it seems pretty clear she will NOT use the veto

Sunlit

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bohawkins, I too will be stunned if Roddy pulls this off and I love to be stunned! It'll be a good curve in the game once I get over the loss of Amy in the house. But, at this point, I'll be just as surprised if she doesn't use it. So, in terms of the game, the POV meeting is a win-win for me. :) Please Amy, make it a "good" stunned and not an *awed* one.

C1mag

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's cool how the house is handling this. They aren't going to make her the center of attention. They didn't strong arm her about her decision and they have accepted that she might veto him so they are just gonna move on to the next plan. Thats the way to go at this point. In the end if she uses it instead of looking cavalier she would walk out the door and look like a complete fool. The Roddy fans will be ecstatic but she gains nothing but embarassment for the choice.

Bmh by the time she left him she was leaning towards keeping him. She told him everything that had been said. How people feel about him etc... This is not something you say if you don't plan on keeping him. Thats the impression I got. She even told him that he had defeated her in their little debate. She is at least considering it.

I can't imagine her taking on the whole house for four days if she does veto him so we shall see. If she hadn't offered not to use the veto all on her own then they wouldn't have too much to complain about. However, she is the one who offered that promise. Therefore any backlash she gets will be deserved.

Alegria

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This thread is fascinating to read. Just when it seems that things will get duller and duller in the house/game the analysis of the current dynamic keeps me hooked. The show has not managed to be as textured and interesting in its presentation of the house. So much is left out, even though it is pretty good entertainment.

Whatever Amy does, I can't wait until Wednesday to find out and then to read what you guys think about it.

Spunky

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, it's cool that they ...keep their cool about Amy's attitude but I think they're also a bunch of arrogant people, full of themselves. It is also a clear indication that they don't give a damn about Amy, she could be making a big mistake in missing her one chance at this game but they won't help her to reason that out.

Well, they deserve what they get. I just hope Amy will use it and saves Roddy and see if Plan B is gonna work for Dani. Not a chance!

Maris

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She will not use the Veto, I am convinced of it. Roddy knows it so he is making a feeble attempt at bashing her but he knows that he is gone. Only thing to save her is the HOH. She has to get the HOH or pray they put her up with Marcellas. Lisa and Jason may vote to keep her.

Bmh

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would love to see Amy get HOH..but I dont think Danielle would go it would be either Marcellas or Lisa..that would go unfortunately..but still it would make things interesting and if amy doesn't win HOH there is still a chance that Marcellas will go over amy..which I hope happens I think it makes the most sense right now..because Marcie is a bigger threat than Amy is

Spunky

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 05:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh Maris, with Roddy's giving up on the game the night is going to be boring... eh, eh...

Maris

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 06:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well lets see what Roddy does, it is a long night and things do change. I am not optimistic because he was encouraging Danni in her Amy is selfish talk. I dont believe that even Roddy thinks he can sway Danni. I would love to see him try though.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 06:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
marris danni would be wise to let roddy think he is swaying her that way he devotes time to her and not amy tonight.

Spunky

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 06:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, I think he did try...(I don't know if there is another thread on this). She was asleep during the night (after his brainwashing Amy) and woke her up and "demanded" she explains to him why he wants her out. Danielle was too gracious (how dares him wake her up like that!!) but also lost for words... She just seemed weak... at least from what I read on that POV thread...