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Wendo

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Instead, I have only seen implicit statements where Rodddy essentially says that she would be doomed because then people would not trust her credibility."

And, isn't that a threat to her Jaysgal? Sounds like a threat to me, imo.

Zeyna

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was just kidding about the fatherly advice..But Amy should have asked why he believes this. He's playing a game, and to imply that she may be voted out because of this is not a threat. Of course we know that she won't be, but I really don't see why he would think this in the first place. His argument just doesn't make any sense.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy should just say thanks for teh advice. i realize you only tell me things for my own personal growth just like my eviction.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy asked Roddy if she could have his wine. He says Amy..fine. She says she was going to trade her beer for his wine. He says fine have it. Lisa offers hers to Amy. Roddy says he'll drink it and whispers something to Lisa. Then he tells her he wants to have a real long talk with her tonight about secret stuff he can't say here.

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It is clearly not a threat. It is persuasion. He hasn't said that he would be the one to go after her and have all of the houseguests turn against her. It is simply a credibility issue that he is pointing to her.

No one said Danielle was threatening Marcellas when she pointed out that his nomination and harsh speech to his friend was beyond belief and called to question his credibility as a friend or so-called ally. Most people in fact agreed with her, despite the fact that she had an actual threat behind it that she would rally others to nominate and evict him. That was a clear case of a threat, but hardly anyone pointed it. In this case, Roddy was giving an opinion and made no threat that he would coerce or persuade anyone to do evict her now or later. He simply stated how it would call to question her credibility and persuade others [naturally] not to trust any promises she makes.

Wendo

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 07:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy just said to Jason, "Why should I save him (Roddy)? I like him, but I can't put him before me."

Sounds like Amy is not using PoV as of 8:00pm BB time.

Jaysgal, yes, it's persuasion, but the threat was there as well. Obviously we view it differently, but imo, he was trying to threaten her position in the house with the other HG's.

Not1worry

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy is now telling Jason about POV. Says she is definitely not using it. Talking about how she is not going to be mean in her speech because she knows how it feels. She says it's a game and she has to look out for herself, or words to that effect. Jason is glad to hear it, but seems to be looking to get away from her. Amy is milking this for all it's worth. Every time I watch the feeds she is discussing it over and over and trying to build support for what she'll do tomorrow. That's the latest that I've seen.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That is a threat. Its not a physical threat but a threat none the less. He is saying if amy doesnt do x then y is going to happen.
If you do not save me then the house is going to turn on you. I just dont think that its important because everyone sees thru roddy now. Once roddy lost his credibility his bullying tactics just look like desparation. They didnt work on danni, marcy or lisa so far. I'm surprised he hasnt tried jason yet.

Cameltoes

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good to know that Amy is still on track. Jason is advising her to go to bed early and avoid another late night conversation. I doubt she'll listen though.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy says Roddy told D and L that R got on the show by going into the room with all the prod ppl and he pointed to each one and read them like a book.
Neil told him..
Jason how do you know that.

Amy says because R said that this guy said he was Neil..

FOTH

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A - ???? slaughter themselves for him. And, I’m not going to do it. I’m the only person who sacrificed stuff in this house for him and he’s still here. (missed sentenced)

J – good for you, Amy. And, by not your saving yourself.

A – you know what I said yesterday? If Liberace (sp) could play the piano the way that he played me? so, tomorrow I’m not going to be mean in my speech. Cause yesterday I was like eww.

Wendo

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Camel, yes, I've been watching this convo too. I wish she would take his advice and go to bed. Did you hear how he said, You don't want to let him know what you're doing. Amy said, Oh, I know. But, she said she likes talking to him.

The other HG's should then stay with her as long as possible. Don't allow the opportunity for Amy and Roddy to talk. As much as she is in control, she still has loose lips. The girl leaks info like a sieve. LOL!

Bmh

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
GO AMY!!..I hope she sticks to her guns..and maybe tries to go to bed early tonite..and stay away from Roddy

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One quote by Amy...in the conversation that is important

Sherly Crow tenth song says Master of everyone, a savior to none. That's what Roddy is a master to everyone, a savior to none.

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, if you insist, Theo17 and Wendo. I do not think that that constitutes threat, unless he had every intention to persuade or coerce the houseguests himself. If he had no such intent, then his statement to Amy was persuasion. It was some form of appeal to sympathy.

Anyway, as I said, Amy's tripping. Her vetoing power is only one of other methods Roddy could use to survive. Hers is the easiest, but he doesn't need it. And she's come begging for him to cry for it but she won't get that one. She makes a nuissance of herself sometimes, it isn't so far to see her leave without she using the POV.

Remember when Marcellas decided he would nominate her. Behind her back, on one occasion he said he wanted her out, and then on the other occasion he said he wanted the house to decide between Roddy and her. And then he spoke to Danielle, exchanging alleged lies Roddy said. At the end, he said how he enjoyed Roddy's company/presence and thought he was cute, something like that. Basically, he expressed reluctance to see Roddy go.

And then today, Marcellas picked on Amy about her outfit and he seemed agitated. Her drinking won't help her cause.

Maris

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Her drinking wont help her cause, her sitting in the chair wont help her cause, her taking a shower wont help her cause. My advice to Amy is #%@# em, enjoy your last week, have your citronas, tell them off and sashay out the door.

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
jaysgal people make threats all the time that they cant or dont plam to follow thru on. Thats why most threats are hollow.amy is annoying a lot of people but they are there to win the money and can deal with amy for another week or however long. They see this as their one last chance to get roddy. 3 strikes and you are out. amy is his only hope

Battlestar

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris---good one!!

Theo17

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
maris who do you want to win? 1 person answer please

Fuddyduddy

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I want Amy to use the POV but have you seen how Roddy is working the crowd? Every chance he gets, he is putting the knife in Amy when others are talking about her, and probably hoping she will annoy all enough that they will just decide to vote Amy out!

And the sad thing is, Amy is so excited to tell them she is not going to use POV...and they are waiting like jackels to put her out as soon as possible.

I hate this game. But, rats, I have to keep watching!!

Jimmer

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 08:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Roddy is as evil and manipulative and untruthful as some people keep saying he is, why does he refuse to tell Amy that he will not vote her out if she vetoes him? Instead he tells her how he promised Eric he wouldn’t vote against Lisa. Amy repeatedly told Jason on the live feeds that the only reason she is not vetoing Roddy is he won’t promise not to vote her out if Lisa is nominated. Why is Roddy doing this? Is he hoping that somehow it will get back to Lisa and affect her opinion of him?

Wendo

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellas better shut the f*ck up or Amy will use the PoV just to spite him. I realize he's exassperated with her, but he really needs to just BACK OFF. IMO he now views her as a liability and is doing this to distance himself from her. (Same as he did with Gerry.)

Maris

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Who do I want to win Theo???? One person??? I cant answer that, I can say who I do not want to win. I do not want Roddy to win, I do not want Danni to win, I do not want Marcellas to win. Beyond that, its a day by day thing.

To be honest, the only one who deserved to win was Lori.

Dee723

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL. So true Maris and they booted her out first. She is the only one who had the guts to call Danielle on her little instigations.

Wendo

Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 09:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jimmer, because he's trapped himself. He has set himself up as the most honest and ethical player in there, so to contradict that would expose him. Not just to the HG's in there, but also to the jury.

And, YES, that's why he is saying that about Lisa.

Like I said, he's trapped himself. I applaud his efforts for trying to win this game straight up and ethically, I just don't think it's possible. In games such as these, lying sometimes needs to be used.