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Draheid

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I may have missed this in the above postings, but has anyone considered this:

Jason is a proven Reality Show 'Junkie'! Could this possibly go another way and say that he is 'in his element' being involved in the show? Trying to play the way he probably cheered other contestants in the past to play? Now he has a chance to prove that he is the consummate Reality Show Junkie by actually participating and winning.

How many of us, those that would dare to be on one of these shows, wouldn't like to walk away with the prize AND the knowledge that we, as 'Fans' or 'Junkies' if you prefer, WON!

I don't know if this is the case, but it seems like it could certainly be a factor in his decision to be on the show, and the decisions he's made throughout the show.

JMO - FWIW
I sure hope I didn't confuse myself or anyone else with this. If so, I apologize.

Jaysgal

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am glad that Jason made the decision he made. I am almost convinced that if he didn't make the choice he made and he went with what Danielle wanted, he would almost lose it and have to be removed from that house. We don't need that. The whole house and Jason especially has gone through immense stress. And what makes it more difficult for Jason is that he cares about people.

It is hard to leave that house after spending so much time with people and not care about anyone. Unless you're like Roddy, it is hard. It is a natural process that even Roddy is going through. It could be demoralising. I understand Jason's decision and support him. He got me even all emotional. LOL! That hardly happens with me.

P.S. Jason is not the only one that reads his Bible. Roddy reads it too, even Lisa on occasion. And I think Gerry reads it too. You don't have to be a Christian to read it. It's just that being a Christian puts a different spin to it. Jason's reason for reading it would be different from Roddy's reason for reading it. Jason reads it to guide him so that he does not stray from his principles. His principles is what makes him who he is, Jason.

Jasonfan

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that J knew he'd have to manipulate and be somewhat deceptive to win the game, but he can't betray who he is.

I was disappointed when he nominated G and A, but, assuming nothing changes because of POV, I think this will help him in the end. If L or M gets HOH next week, R will be gone. R and D will not even try for HOH b/c they have so many deals to not nominate people. Really, J will only have to worry about Amy.

I also think it's pretty sad that being sensitive is equated to "being weak". Jason didn't "fall" for R; he knows what R is about. He has chosen to give R the benefit of the doubt b/c of their friendship. Even if J discovers the friendship is not real, I'm guessing he'll feel good about his choice, given the information he had at the time.

Keiffer

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Auntie, I would argue that bothe Roddy and Chiara used ACTIONS as well to show Jason they liked him. How about the very night the get screwed over because he mislead them, and she gets HoH, and after talking they decide not to put him up. ANY other HG that had had thathappent to them would for sure have put up the person that did it to them. Instead they went another way.

Talk about actions. They did that even though he had betrayed them (by his own admission). Danny and Lisa have not been tested that strongly, and had to stand up with him.

Jaysgal

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For the first time, Keiffer, we are on the same wavelength. I so much agree with you. As much as I don't like Roddy, the fact that he was willing to leave Jason alone is several blessings to him. Action speaks louder than words. To me, he is more loving of Jason than Danielle is.

Yes, Roddy sees Jason as a kid, his little favourite, I think. And he probably hopes to find favour in Jason so that Jason would do what he advises Jason to do. Nonetheless, he has spared Jason more than I thought that others would ever do. Jason made the right decision. And he did what he should do, chosing not to pull the trigger on Roddy. He's being a decent person whilst playing the game. Roddy may change, who knows. But whether he does or not, I am sure that another member of the house, perhaps Lisa, will take care of him before the end of the show. Or who knows, for Jason's willingness to spare Roddy, he may if he makes it to the end ask others to give it to Jason. I don't think that Roddy's bent on the money as much as he is on the thrill of the game and the fame that comes with it, getting from bottom to top. Roddy does not strike me as a materialistic person. He would be content with 50K.

Auntie

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer, I wasn't referring to ACTIONS that show how much someone likes someone else. I was referring to ACTIONS which show how much someone trusts someone else. Roddy/Chiara/Eric assumed the kid would go along with their plan to keep Eric over Lisa, just because he was sitting there when their plan was discussed and said something about 'going along with the plan' without specifying what plan he was talking about. Jason confessed his error of omission when he told Roddy directly that he'd voted Eric off (which I thought was an error on Jason's part). Both Roddy & Chiara interpreted Jason's deception & especially his confession as signs of weakness. Chiara told others that Jason was weak, Roddy told others that Jason's word was questionable. When challenged by Jason, Roddy backtracked & used words of friendship to put Jason in automatic-guilt mode. Roddy's STATEMENTS overshadowed Jason's own knowledge of Roddy's ACTIONS (his self-righteous forgiveness of Jason, his swaying of Amy when she was first nominated, his manipulation of Josh when Roddy was first nominated) and his own ACTIONS with Dani & Lisa to oust Roddy. Just because a snake offers you a ride is no reason to take that ride!

Emo1979

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am SO totally confused after tonight's show. I understand that the psychological pressure must be intense in that house, but what the heck is going on??

When I found out on the LFP who was nominated, I thought it was a stupid move, but I gave Jason the benefit of the doubt and wanted to hear his reasoning at the noms and in the DR on tonight's show.

Let's just say I was very let down. He may very well have other reasons he chose not to share, but if the ones he did share are the only ones, what the hell? He already said numerous times that everyone in the house is his friend, but he's loyal only to Dani. And now he's somehow beholden to Roddy? Huh?

There is such a thing as a self-fulfilling prophecy... perhaps Jason took everyone telling him that C and R think he's weak a little bit too much to heart. Not to sound Roddy or Gerry-esque if I go off on a little So What tangent here, but listen to this:

Scientists have done psychological tests showing that:

2 intelligent men (undergraduate students), one white and one black are simultaneously given a difficult written test like the GRE; both are told it's just a unimportant tool to study how people take tests. Both score relatively the same.

HOWEVER:
2 other intelligent undergraduate men, one white and one black are given the same test, but subtle comments are made by the scientists in the conversation before they take the tests that "whites tend to score better on this test than blacks" - not surprisingly, generally the results will follow this statement.

According to the psychologists, this often happens because the person who is reminded they belong to an "inferior group" overcompensates and gets too cautious, taking too long on the tests, guessing when they shouldn't (on the GRE and SAT if you're unsure, you shouldn't guess, because getting a wrong answer subtracts more than leaving it blank), etc. because they get worried about being labeled as inferior too.

This also works with white women vs. white men (women score lower) or even Asian men vs. white men on difficult math tests, given the stereotype in our society that Asians are good at math.

Obviously this is getting a little involved, but I'm just trying to make the point that maybe Jason talked himself into letting Roddy win because he thinks Roddy is strong and he isn't, or that Roddy's been good to Jason and in return Jason "lied" to him. So he just took a dive.

Up to this point I really didn't think Jason was weak, at all! I expected to not like him, going into the show, because I thought he would be a self-righteous Bible-thumper, and he isn't at all. But I thought he was more of a quietly strong person. I'm fearing that he was actually a quietly weak person, if he knew what he was doing was screwing himself and he did it anyway!

Anyway, maybe I'm full of crap...

Eden

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think I understand Jason. He has betrayed one confidence to take on another. He's a guy out to win money and trying to cloak his motives in something other than greed. Sorry, if he wants to pretend elsewise. He wants to win. Personally, I think he chose the wrong ally, cause I don't think he can win with Roddy. If Jason truly acted on his heart we all know what that is, he's said it countless times in his DR entries, Roddy needs to go. Roddy has done nothing but want to USE Jason, underestimated him and EXPECTED his allegiance. Danielle has been the one to actually scramble to save him from the block, no matter her fumbles afterward.

If Jason is the true at heart guy he pretends to be. He has betrayed himself by believing in Roddy. Perhaps he played both sides so long he lost sight of what is true. I don't think so and that's sad. He knows exactly what he's done.

Jason is weak. He's sold out Danielle and Lisa for someone who talks of trust but has never had any reason or way to demonstrate it. Danielle has. Even going so far as to respect his choice not to vote Roddy out the week before last. Roddy not being gone is as much Jason's fault as Danielle's and his betrayal is doubly wrong for having failed her now when she is most threatened.

You can't have it both ways, Jason. Either you're playing the game for yourself or you are playing as a stand-up guy, you can't be BOTH.

Mrdisguise

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It is a game show to win $500 000 or $50 000. It is not about making friends.

Will Kirby probably wanted to be on a reality tv show just so that he could be on tv. And he didn't act in a wholesome way. He made some sneaky moves. But at least he won $500 000 and bought a home. It is not a bad thing.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jason uses the veto and nominates Roddy. he feels stupid about not nominating Roddy.

Csnog

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason will never be taken to the final 2 with EITHER Danie or Roddy.

Jason will be out # 3 or 4.

They will not take the chance of the evicted HG's voting for Jason instead of one of them.

Jason has split his alliance and thinks that one or the other will take him to the end and he is wrong.

Bohawkins

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eden wrote: "He [Jason] has betrayed one confidence to take on another. He's a guy out to win money and trying to cloak his motives in something other than greed."

Eden you are so very correct. You have really nailed him. He is weak. I have seen this behavior many times in people who put on the masque of religiosity. They love to do their evil deeds and pose them as having some other motivation other than their own selfishness.

Spunky

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Then, he will surely lose in the end.. (referring to the very first post on this thread) and I guess it's okay if the money was not the main reason for playing this game.

The experience alone could be rewarding.

Spygirl

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it is rather unfortunate to hand out overarching stereotypes about religious people. I do not in any way see Jason using his religion for anything other than what it is. A PART OF HIMSELF. In fact, it makes up who this guy is. He doesn't pretend to be good, he doesn't pretend to be above anyone else. He doesn't shove anything down anyone's throats, and he certainly doesn't hide behind his religion to get other people to do his bidding.

He has real emotions, he struggles with his decisions, he fights between good and evil. Sometimes he wins and sometimes he loses. He is no more and no less than anyone else in the world, he should not be judged based on his religion and held to a ridiculous higher standard because of his beliefs. That's for him to do to himself should he choose, not for us.

To say that he is trying to win this game because of GREED is funny. I tried out to be on this show and winning the money was the furthest thing from my mind. I had my eyes on playing this game and seeing how far I could push myself emotionally and psychologically to come out the winner. While it may be for some, greed is not the driving principal behind every motive for all people. If that is the framework from which you work, then more power to you. But don't assume it is for everyone. Yes, he wants to win -- but don't assume it is out of greed.

We would never be allowed to sit here and say that Marsellas was hiding behind his "gayness" or that Danielle was hiding behind her "blackness" and then commence to find them greedy for wanting to win this game so I find it pretty silly to suggest we do so with Jason's religious beliefs.

And to say that he is weak based on this decision he made? I disagree. Yes, I believe he has made a fatal error by not nominating Roddy (just ask anyone in chat -- I've made no bones about that), but why is he weak for his error and we've not drawn that conclusion for anyone else who made potentially fatal mistakes in this game? I think weak is the word-of-choice because for some unknown reason people who are religious are seen as weak. THAT is a ridiculous stereotype that shows a deep bias in people that is harmful and degrading. And unfair. Couple that with his crying episode and boom -- we've got a cry "weak" fest. So...Roddy cries and he's a master manipulator and Jason cries and he's weak. Hmmmmmm....

Now, I believe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed, so I'm going back there now.

Cindyluvsroddy

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
people always assume that if someone states how religious they r - that they must be a good person - in my world, its not what u say , its what you do that makes u a good person -- religion or not...

jason does seem like a pretty nice person - but people, just because he reads the bible and doesn't have sex - by no means makes him a better person than anybody else .. if anything, maybe he is afraid of something .... who knows!

Wcv63

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spygirl!! Bravo! Well said! Anything I would say now would simply be a reiteration of your post.

The only ones holding Jason to higher standards of acceptable game play are some people here on the board. Jason is allowed to use the same tactics used by others in the game in order to better his own position. Any mistakes he makes are his to make.

He isn't hiding behind anything and he isn't weak. He isn't wearing a mask nor is hiding behind anything. If anyone believes that his struggles to play this game warring with the ethical side of his character are in any way a hypocrisy imagine how you would feel if you had to go against your own fundamental beliefs for a game.

Cindyluvsroddy

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63 - r u having trouble accepting that other people have different opinions? lol

its ok ....lol

Wcv63

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cindy...:) No...not having any trouble. Just starting on my self-appointed mission of defending Jason at all costs.

As I said in another thread, I have officially donned the rose colored glasses, rolled up my sleeves and will proceed with what some might call alarming stubborness (I prefer to think of it as endearing loyalty).

Spygirl

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
To even speculate that his beliefs means he is hiding something is ridiculous!!!! People, give it up. Jason isn't gay because he doesn't have sex. He isn't gay because he doesn't like to listen to sex talk. He isn't gay because of his beliefs!!

I've honestly never seen anything as bizarre as this talk about Jason being gay and "hiding" something or being "afraid" of something simply because he is a Christian who doesn't believe in sex before marriage for himself.

Have you guys ever heard of respecting personal boundaries and beliefs? For goodness sakes. If he doesn't want to have sex before marriage, then what the SPAIN difference does it make to you? Do not sit around with your arm chair psychology and speculate over and over and over that Jason is gay based on your own insecurities about premarital sex.

Jason has never said no one should have sex before marriage. He has never said anyone who does is going straight to hell. Give it a rest and let the boy have his beliefs without having everyone speculate there is something wrong with him.

(generic "you")

Maris

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 09:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Watching Jason in the early morning hours in his conversation with Gerry was painful to watch because you felt like screaming at him. Thinking about the conversation later though, I was impressed at how in an understated way Jason did not shoot down Gerry's ideas and managed to get his point across in a nice way.

When Gerry was talking to Jason about Amy and Marcellas, Jason just smiled at him and talked about the pressure of being in the house. He very gently raised the issue about not washing hands and preparing foods as another example of how people in the house tend to blow up others faults. He closed down the negative topic. Earlier in the evening Marcellas when started talking to Jason about Gerry and Jason just laughed him off and closed the topic down as well.

I see Jason as trying very hard to play the game. Since he is obviously a huge Big Brother fan, he talked about having the feeds last year and how he belonged to all the message boards, he knows how the game is played. As he is getting closer to the end sees the HGs around him getting more and more desperate about staying in the house and this week they are all working him and he knows it.

I believe he truly wants to remain friends with Danni and Roddy yet he knows he has to decide soon between the two. That is why he is back and forth on the nominations. Even last night when Gerry pitched the idea of using the veto and nominating Roddy, Jason said he was torn.

Bamboo

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
maybe Jason didn't put Roddy up because he knew there was a chance his nom would be vetoed. Then if someone uses the power of veto he can put up Roddy and that nom will stand?

Magikearth

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great posts,Spygirl!! :)

Cindyluvsroddy

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
opps! I didn't know that Jason was off limits to speculation..... my bad!! hehe

Lovemarc

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"opps! I didn't know that Jason was off limits to speculation..... my bad!! hehe"

Unfortunately, that's the way it is.

Theo17

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont think jason is that hard to understand. He was all talk and no walk. Like a up and coming fighter that tells everyone what he is going to do to the champion and then when he steps in the ring he freezes under the pressure and lays down. Jason got bullied and choked. He took the easy way out be nominating the only 2 guests that wouldnt give him a hard time.

Trillian

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, good post... that all made a lot of sense. It must be especially frustrating to be a reality (and BB in particular) fan and know all the mistakes other contestants have made before, yet have all these emotional ties and feelings. He's probably learning how very different it is to play inside than be a 'backseat driver.' And so he struggles with friendship/feelings and strategy/objectivity.