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Archive through September 01, 2002
Gina8642 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:55 pm     Marcellus is a terrible judge of character. The more someone truly likes him and is loyal to him, the more he distrusts and attacks that person. Early on, I saw him attack Gerry, when Gerry wanted nothing more than to be Marc's friend, and keep Marc in the game. Then, I saw it with Dani, Dani was loyal to him, but he started double dealing with Roddy. Dani turned against him once she knew Marc couldn't be trusted. Now, with Amy. I have never heard Amy say a negative thing about Marcellus. She would never vote or plot against him. She would probably take herself out of the game to save him. What does he do? He nominates her. Now, no one left in the house trusts him. They are incredulous he would turn on a friend that way. It is very, very, sad. |
Observerx | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:55 pm     Marc is throwing away probably the best friendship he could ever have in his life, IMO. Amy is way too forgiving. |
Roamjotiba | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:58 pm     I would hate it for Amy but wouldn't it be funny if one of them tried to be greedy for the end vote and decided to give Roddy a vote to stay and they all said they weren't going to do it and 2 of them actually did and he stayed? |
Sanfranjoshfan | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 09:59 pm     "Marcellus is a terrible judge of character." SO true....it takes character to recognize character. Marcellas has none. |
Mrjpv | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:10 pm     Hey everyone. First time caller, long time listener. After seeing Marcellas' speech tonight, it's even harder for me now to fathom why he was so upset that Gerry's speech was self-important and pompous (though it was), when he gave an even more self-important and pompous speech than Gerry did. All he did was say "my way is the only way of doing things, and if you're not doing things my way, then you should be punished..". It's all about him and what he views as kindness and niceness. And since Amy wasn't doing things the way he thought she should, she should be talked down to and punished. That guy seriously needs to get over himself. We all can disagree, but do we have to be disagreeable too? |
Groucho | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:16 pm     Good point, Mrjpv. Of course, Marc has consistently shown himself to be a hypocrite. Why stop now? Also just wanted to say to Gina and SFJF -- great posts! I agree completely. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:24 pm     I know Marc has become increasingly frustrated with Amy since she has returned to the house. He feels he spends a lot of time playing clean-up and trying to protect her from herself re: alcohol and Roddy. Don't get me wrong I'm not a Marc fan....far from it. Just doing a little armchair analysis. So here we have Marc, good friend whose been taken unadvantage of by a disloyal friend who doesn't even listen when he tries to give her advice to improve herself while she throws herself at Roddy and seemingly takes his advice and criticism without question. Marc has seen Roddy's tactics, knows that he is insincere and throws Marc into a tizzy because he can't get that through Amy's head. In Marc's mind he has suffered the ultimate betrayal. I may be totally off the mark but hey, it was sure fun to try!! |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:36 pm     haven't read this thread, but having now seen the show tonight.. sure Marcellas is frustrated, but good grief.. he's like Chiara.. telling people who they can and cannot talk to.. and the ring thing.. pardon me, but until they stood in that room, who was to know it was going to get so messy? Can he accept no flaws? He went into more dramatics over moving from the room.. Well whatever but to dare to criticize someone as being UNKIND.. over the top.. Frankly, Amy's the LEAST unkind person left in that house. |
Curlyq | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:37 pm     Wcv63, I think you're actually right on the mark with that. I know it's hard to see friends get mad at each other, but it seemed to me that his nomination speech was like a continuation of the talks they keep having in private (which he probably felt she never took seriously). It was a little confusing to me at first, but the part about Roddy's nom speech being correct after all was pretty clear. I think there's also the fact that he and Amy are perceived as an alliance, and if he's going to be targeted for this because of her "first lady" comments he probably wants to at least feel like she's listening to him when he tells her that her behavior is bothering people. He probably doesn't want to end up paying for her irritating behavior. He was already put up once with her because of it. |
Kyline | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:39 pm     I have a question about Marcellus's speech. Didn't he make some sort of comment like "I would rather have left MY key out than NOT have left yours out"--to me, it seemed he was trying to tell Amy that she better not try to convince herself that he only nominated her because he had to, or because it was easy, but because he wanted her nominated so bad he'd have rather put HIMSELF up before he would have NOT nominated her. Does that make sense? Did I understand his words right? If I did, my already-great loathing of this man is going to increase even more. He just repulses me now. He needs a HUGE dose of public humiliation before he leaves that house, IMO. |
Kyline | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:41 pm     Wcv, what I don't get is these houseguests getting the idea that it is their JOB and their RIGHT to CHANGE each other! So Marcellus is fed up with Amy not listening to his sage advice, and he's tired of cleaning up after her. Then stop it. Stop hanging out with her. But don't tell her you love her forever with one breath, and publicly humiliate her with another. Amy certainly isn't ASKING for his pity and self-sacrifice. She just wants a friend, and she thought she had one. Still does, unfortunately. |
Onlyhuman | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:43 pm     The way he talked to her and continues to talk about her is just repulsive. I reflect back to the first week when Amy was the ONLY person in the house that would talk to him and I wonder if she will come to regret that after getting out of the house. And I also wonder if Marcellus is ultimately getting back at Amy for was he thinks of as her betrayal...participating in the initial alliance and then not telling him about it. He got rid of the person who "saved" him it would not surprise me if he can't stand to be around Amy because she is a constant reminder that the people in the house once hated him. With her gone, he can pretend that all of these people really like him. |
Katlady53 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:43 pm     Kyline, maybe I misunderstood, but I thought Marc said he would rather have put HIS key in the slot than AMY'S. I thought he was trying to stress how much he loves her and how it hurt him to have to nominate her. Yeah, right. |
Bbrules4ever | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:44 pm     for marcellus, its all about being in the superior clique. Marcellus is very clique-ish. He prides himself on his friends being classy, mature, successful. Quite Frankly, Marcellus is a snob. He feels Amy tarnishes his image. She drinks, flirts provacativly, is unrefined. He is the type of person who would ditch a loyal group of friends in an instant if he was accepted by a more elite group. He feels Lisa, Jason, Danni are more of his caliber. |
Groucho | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:46 pm     Nice try Wcv I just don't see how you can argue that Amy has been a bad friend to Marc. Maybe she's been a bad person generally -- self-absorbed, or inconsiderate, or whatever. Maybe she's played the game badly. But I don't think she's been a bad friend, and I don't see how she's taken advantage of him. Can you cite examples of this? If anything, Marc has been a bad friend to her. Even before the nomination, he was trashing her behind her back to the other HGs and talking about how she needs to go. That sounds a lot more like betrayal to me than anything Amy has done. Marc is not responsible for her. There's no reason he has to play clean-up for her or try to protect her from herself. But if he does choose to do this, he should do it out of concern for her, not concern for himself. It's pretty clear to me that he's more worried about himself than her, while at the same time setting himself up as the martyr who has to put up with her. How self-serving is that? If he really does want to help her, shouldn't he be glad if she listens to Roddy's advice and criticism about how to improve herself? Or is he just jealous that Amy listens to Roddy more than him? What sort of friend is that? |
Duchess | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 10:51 pm     Welcome and great post mrjp!. What I think is, Marcellas is the "selfish" one. He took Gerry's speech as grandstanding when Gerry merely found a good excuse to keep Marc in because I truly believe Gerry was fond of Marcellas. Marcellas hated the notion that Gerry used him to espouse a noble ideology for G's benefit thus taking the limelight off Marc. I expected nothing better from Marc ever since he yelled at Amy before her eviction. His connection with Amy is replete with reservations due to the fact that he won't allow himself to truly trust someone except himself. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 11:04 pm     Whoooaaaaaa!!!! I'm not arguing on Marc's side AT ALL!! I'm just trying to figure out the way he thinks and how in HIS mind (not mine...good grief!) Amy has betrayed his friendship. I must stress, STRESS, that I am not a Marc fan and I do not approve of the way he treats people. This was simply an exercise in analysis. Please don't put me in the position of defending Marc because frankly I just can't do it. There is no defense. |
Kyline | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 11:10 pm     Kat, your interpretation is what I initially believed also, but by the time Marcellus finished that particular portion of the speech, I thought I had misunderstood. I still have the tape. I think I'll transcribe it tonight. It's going to drive me nuts until I know LOL. |
Duchess | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 11:12 pm     Not once did Amy say anything against Marc but sadly, we can't say the same thing about Marc. That alone would lead anyone to question Marc's perception of friendship with Amy. And not once did I hear Marc speak in defense of amy whenever Dani starts bashing his so called best friend. |
Cameltoes | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 11:15 pm     You may be right Wcv. The Roddy/Amy thing does seem to have been the trigger. He may also be projecting his own feelings about being manipulated by Roddy onto Amy. When he describes the conversation in the hot tub, he talks about being at a low point in the game and feeling alone and thinking Roddy was somehow taking advantage of his vulnerable position. Could be a load of BS but maybe when he sees Amy with Roddy, he automatically thinks she is being played and recognizes that he was also played. Chastising Amy could be Marcellas chastising himself. He seems to have problems with people in the house (i.e. Gerry) who remind him of his own flaws and foibles. |
Groucho | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 11:24 pm     Sorry Wcv, didn't mean to put you in that position I figured that was what you were up to, but I just couldn't hold off from explaining how warped that line of thinking is. I think you're largely right in your analysis of his thinking, by the way. He thinks he's such a wonderful guy and wonderful friend and that he's going out of his way to try to help her with her shortcomings. But despite that, she just won't listen to his wonderful advice, and she won't play the game exactly the way he wants her to. To him, this is a betrayal. He doesn't apply the same standard to others because he isn't as close to them. |
Bernie | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 11:33 pm     I just watched my tape of the show tonight and exactly like everyone else I rushed here to vent my wrath! But I promise I did read the whole thread first, LOL! Interestingly enough, and to give credit where it's due, I think that everyone here has spoken the truth in some way or another, because I don't think even Marcellas understands all his own reasons for his ire towards Amy. As I've read the posts, my head was nodding, so I won't repeat the same points all over again, just say that I agree! What's important though, is that he was completely and unnecessarily cruel. He trashed her in front of people she has to face every waking moment, lumped her in with Roddy whom she knows he hates, and did it all on national TV, for all the world to see. How ironic that Amy is taxed by each of them for being egocentric, since Marcellas, Roddy and Danielle have the most swollen heads in the game. Marcellas blew it tonight but good. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one to go next week, rather than Amy. He lost all credibility, and made Amy a martyr. That girl sat there and let him have his moment at her expense. Give her the money and get Marcellas' ass out of that house. Just who the hell does he think he is? |
Kyline | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 11:35 pm     These people are driving me nuts. Marcellus is bitching to Danielle about Amy teasing Roddy about lying about his age...Marc mentioned in passing to Amy that Roddy's body type is older than 30, and now Amy harps on it. Gee, Marcellus, WHY would YOU be sensitive to teasing someone about lying about their age LOL? Oh, it's too priceless. And can Danielle shut up about how Roddy HAS to be lying about his age because of the type of braces he says he had as a child? Dani and Roddy (and myself) are all 30 years old. Roddy says he had braces from 2nd to 8th grade. But he also says he had the kind that were wrapped all around your teeth. Dani is convinced that when SHE was in 2nd grade, they had the kind of braces that just get glued on the front of your tooth, ergo, Roddy was in 2nd grade several years before he CLAIMS to have been. I'm 30, I had braces from 9th to 11th grade, and I can tell you that just a few years before I got mine, I had friends that still had the wraparound braces. Mind you, Roddy could be lying about his age. But the damn braces conversation is NOT proof. And I get so sick and Dani and Marcellus picking on details of people's actions and conversations and blow them SO out of proportion. From Roddy's braces, to Amy's "alleged" flashing of Jason--they're just disgusting to me. I've completely stayed out of the "Jason/Christian" threads, but I just don't see how Dani considers herself such a wonderful moral person with the way she treats people behind their backs. Does it somehow make it NOT bad because it's not said to their faces? |
Whoami | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:18 am     I'm hoping the next HOH nominates Marc. Every one of them looked uncomfortable when he did his speech to Amy. I'd like to see the person who noms Marc to say something like, "Marc, I'm nominating you because of that speech you gave Amy last week. If you can stab your best friend right in the face, and in front of 'God and everyone,' then you have proven without a doubt you are not a person who can be trusted. It's time for you to go." |
Lancecrossfire | Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 12:23 am     Well, we have a better picture of things. Dani told Gerry she couldn't coach because she was a control freak. Marc nom'ed Amy because he was judging her style of playing the game. It seems it's possible they both are "my way or the highway" type of people. It would explain a lot. |
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