Archive through August 24, 2002
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Archive through August 24, 2002
Romans8_1 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:17 pm     We've heard time and time again (from BB1 to Survivor to BB3) that contestants enter for a variety of reasons. Sure they all want the money, but many also see this as personal challenges that go beyond money. Many accept going in that the odds of them winning are against them. For Jason, it is not "just" about the money, it also about how to play the game. For him, the "ends" do not justify the "means". With Jason being a spiritual person, I think he spends alot of time thinking about his soul. He's always trying to balance playing the game and not loosing himself. How many times do we hear the HG saying that the game makes them loose a sense of reality and they end up doing things they wouldn't normally do. I think Jason's relationship with God has helped him keep this all in perspective and he is firmly rooted in reality. Ok ... he's not exciting as far as "Hollywood" defines exciting. But there are some of us that find his struggle very interesting. I have often wondered what I would do in that situation. Would I sell my morals for the money. I don't think so, but I guess I'll never know. Some say he's gullible and stupid. I say he represents the best of the human race. He sees the best qualities in people. He's caring and compassionate and trusting. He builds people up, he doesn't tear them done. Look at how he treated Josh and Kiki when the whole house seemed to trash them. He showed compassion to them. Don't get me wrong, I am not diefing him. I know he is a sinner just like me. And, I would bet he would say the same thing. What I am saying is that once you understand that it is not just about the money, but it is more about can you play a game that entices you to lie/cheat and resist it. Can you resist the urge and pressure to become the worst that is in you, and rise above it and conquere that inner demon. Even if it means throwing away $500,000. Most of us fight these little battles every day in our job, home, and society. Most of us loose more than we win. That is sad. Jason lifts my spirit and I say we can win these battles and make this world a better place to live. Unfortunately there are those that are eagerly waiting for him to fail (and he just might. He is human after all). These people will be the first to celebrate because it somehow makes them feel a little better when someone like Jason fails. Does anyone read Spider-Man (sorry for the nerd coming out in me)? There is a character in there (Mr. Jameson) that hates Spider-Man. He said very early in the comic series is that it makes him feel bad because Spider-Man is doing something honorable with his life and Mr. Jameson has not. Mr. Jameson says that if Spider-Man could just be defeated then he could feel better about himself. So, Mr. Jameson spends his WHOLE life to bringing Spider-Man down. Alot of us do this also. Instead of deciding to change our lives for the better, we would rather root for the best of us to fail. Well, this is just how I see it. I may be way off on Jason's motives and strategy, but tonight sort of clinched it for me. The last scene in DR was very moving and up-lifting. Yeah, Jason may not win because of it. But it's not about what others say/think/do, but about going to sleep with a clear conscious knowing that your soul is intacked. |
Bbrules4ever | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:18 pm     his religion makes him WEAK! |
Romans8_1 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:25 pm     It depends on how you define weak. Weak = he'll be taken advantage of.... you are right. I think he is the strongest player in there. How easy it is to loose yourself and become the worst that is in you. That, my friend, is weak. To look the enemy in the eye and say "You will not have me today." .... That is STRONG. We should all pray to have that kind of courage. |
Onlyhuman | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:28 pm     Romans, to a certain extent, I agree with you that Jason has demonstrated some integrity. I admire the fact that he has not pressured people into promising votes or into evicting people his way. He didn't like it when others did it and he led by example of how he felt it should be done. However, the whole idea that by not nominating Roddy he is valuing a friendship is garbage. He is in a game to nominate and evict people from the house. All last week he made friends with Amy, flirting and playing with her, spending hours in the HOH talking with her, yet he still nominated her, even told her he loved her. Does that mean that Amy is not a real friend? Or he doesn't value her friendship as much? Or just that she made it easy for him to nominate her while Roddy played the false friendship card. Giving in to emotional blackmail does not indicate strength of character in my book! |
Reader234 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:30 pm     Romans, I will agree, I dont understand Jason. I dont understand Jason because 1. I'm not a 20 something male 2. I'm not playing BB3 3. (dont get me started, but taking a line from another poster in another thread) I'm not omnisent! (ok, I ccan barely pronounce it, let alone spell it!!) Yet, I hope when Jason leaves, he will leave with more world experience. That he will leave knowing that he gave many people a reason to pause and wonder why Jason's faith sustained him. I admire anyone who can live what they believe. |
Jayalltheway | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:34 pm     I don't think Jason is weak either. Despite what Dani and the others told him, he can't be sure that Roddy betrayed him. He is in the EXACT same position Chiara was in with Lisa, except Jason has decided to put his faith in his friendship. He can't know for sure that Roddy betrayed him and I think he's right not to backstab him at this point. Does Roddy deserve that faith? NO. I think it makes Roddy look like an even bigger scum bag and I hope that as a result Roddy will honour his word and protect Jason if he is in a position to do so. As for Danielle, had she not played so many mind games with Jason last week, she would never be in danger. She should have treated Jason as an ally, not a puppet. I really felt for Jason tonight. He keeps surprising me with his strength of character and I continue to hope he wins. |
Romans8_1 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:34 pm     Only, I agree with you on certain points. I too think Jason could have nominated Roddy, told him it was only strategic, and have gotten by with it ok. I think there were 3 contributing factors why not 1) Roddy had been on the block 2 weeks and Jason might have felt compassion for him and didn't want to put a friend through that 3 weeks in a row. 2) Jason migh have felt Roddy's (more than Gerry or Amy) feelings might have been hurt more by Jason putting him up. Jason does take into account (at this point) the emotional impact of the nominations. Look at how well Gerry and Amy took it. I think Jason did an excellant job preparing them. 3) Danielle backed out last week. If she backed out last week, then she might this week also and that would leave Jason exposed. Well, it's off to bed for me know. I check back with you guys tomorrow. Thank you so much for the conversation. |
Twistedsis | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:36 pm     Onlyhuman I agree, but take it one step futher. I do not believe the friendship Roddy's is offering is genuine. I truely feel it is game motavated and will dry up 2 minutes after this game is concluded. |
Kmjm | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:42 pm     No, I don't understand Jason. I don't understand why being frightened of any kind of sexuality makes him a good person. I don't understand why saying he is religious makes him superior, even though he plays the game with as much duplicity as anyone else. I don't understand why he is such a dupe for Roddy's transparent manipulation. I don't understand why he stabbed Danielle in the back- the only other person in the house who shares his religious convictions. |
Keiffer | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:43 pm     Last week I thought Jason was weak because he had to run to Danny for her to give him his vote. This week he has changed my mind a bit. He stood up to a world of grief that could have, and might come down on him because he stood by a friendship and did not put up the person that everyone in the house wanted him to put up. Not only that but he decided to play the game bit for himself. Even if he doesnt realize it right now he has set himself up great. I do not think that Roddy or Danny if they get HoH are going to put him up. Which means after this week he only has to worry about maybe Amy getting HoH. He has solidified his postion I think to make it to the final four at least with his moves this week. |
Brynah | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:44 pm     This was the first time I've really gotten to see Jason. (Tonight's show.) He seems like such a caring, admirable young man. As for religion making one weak, I totally disagree. When my faith was the strongest I felt *powerful* inside. There was nothing in this world that could shake me. And I mean *nothing.* I feel very, very weak when my faith is not strong. I feel cut loose, drifting, alone, just getting by. Of course, these are just my opinions/experiences. |
Bigger | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:49 pm     What do you think about this idea??? Jason nominated Gerry and Amy, but not Roddy, because he thinks that whoever wins POV will take one of them off the block. Then he will have to nominate Roddy and loses no votes from Roddy or his former alliance members! POV maybe... Dani will save Amy Gerry will save Amy Marcellas will save Amy Lisa will probably not save anyone unless Dani tells her to. And if Roddy wins, maybe he saves Jerry? I doubt it, but it's a theory. There's always a 50/50 that there will be a Veto. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:50 pm     Without delving into the deeper issues of Jason's character I'd say that Jason is an essentially moral and ethical guy who is playing an essentially immoral and unethical game while trying to hold on to his beliefs. Although he has said he will lie, it is a struggle to know the right time without feeling as if he is compromising something inherent in his character. He has been observant. He has been strategic. He knows the right moves to make in the game. Unfortunately taking the steps to implement his plans is proving a bigger struggle than he anticipated. Perhaps for Jason to really win, he needs to lose this game. I wish I knew. But I think he's wonderful all the same. |
Squaredsc | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:56 pm     romans, i commend you in your beliefs about jason. i have always liked jason and still like jason. i understand but i don't like how roddy has taken advantage of him. and no i don't think he is weak. i believe that he is a very strong person especially for his beliefs. |
Mr_Bozack | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:08 pm     Actually, after tonight's show (Saturday the 24th), I've gained new respect for Jason. He does have very strong faith, not just in the Lord, but in his friend Roddy. Everyone was slamming Roddy to him without any justification, and Jason fought against the temptation to nominate him, but he strugled, and made the right choice and saved his friend. I'm so proud of Jason after tonight, and I understand the way he thinks much better now. If his faith in God can give him the ability to see through the lies that cloud his vision, then I've gained newfound respect for those who have absolute faith in their religion. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:20 pm     Mr_B...you know sarcasm isn't your best look. I like you better when you wear your mildly sardonic and skeptical pessimism attire. It's much more suited to the innate sweetness I detect behind that gruff exterior. |
Off2cthwizrd | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:32 pm     Romans, thanks for a great post. I agree with everything you said. One other thought to put out there. Someone in another thread just said that Jason doesn't seem to be the same as he was a few weeks ago and they weren't sure why. I think Jason has done very well in the game so far (though I do get frustrated when he listens to Dani to the point of confusion), and I think he has tried to make his faith first and foremost in his dealings with the other HG's. And I completely admire that! But I wonder if being HoH brought his faith and religious beliefs even closer to him in the sense that he got a basket of stuff from his family...pictures and letters, etc. That HAD to be a reminder of all he has been taught thorough the years and all he KNOWS to be true about Christianity and God's teachings of loving one another. I'm probably not being very clear here...but I wanted to try and explain what I was thinking. Nite all - I'll check back tomorrow and see if anyone understands...or not. |
Cindyluvsroddy | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:40 pm     i like jason - however, to be real .... i think he hides behind his religious beliefs because he is gay .... |
Mr_Bozack | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:45 pm     Wcv63, ha ha ha. Don't question my faith in my Lord and saviour: Roddy. Jason doesn't. He too sees the light. But thanks for looking beyond the surface (just like Jason). You're suspicions are highly accurate, and if we were in a nightclub right now, I'd buy you a drink. Big hugs and kisses for you. xx oo |
Gentoo | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:59 pm     If he isn't prepared to "sell his morals" as you put it and play the game for the money, he has no business being in the house in the first place. This isn't happy-fun-town. This isn't real life. This is a game show. Nothing more, nothing less. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:09 pm     You need to practice your vulcan mind meld techniques Mr_B. Flattery alone doesn't cut it. Perhaps you forgot one or two of the steps involved in the complete submission of your intended victim? I don't think your irises were spinning fast enough to complete the hypnotic effect. But I gotta admit. You're kinda cute when you emulate your idol like that!  |
Lovemarc | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:11 pm     "i think he hides behind his religious beliefs because he is gay .... " Quite possible. I have thought the same thing at times. |
Catfat | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:13 pm     Two points to make here---- 1. Maybe Jason got tired of being manipulated by Danielle and made a decision on his own. Could be he wants Roddy for a new alliance because he thinks Roddy will go farther than Danielle will. 2. Maybe he reads his Bible all the time because there is nothing else in the house to read except the popcorn packages. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:17 pm     Maybe he's just a moral young man that doesn't like bawdy women and alcohol. He doesn't seem to be hiding behind his religious beliefs. He seems to be quite comfortable with them. Get off of the gay kick. |
Auntie | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:19 pm     At this point (before Jason exercises POV), I understand Jason's failure to nominate Roddy as a failure of his faith. Jason needs to spend some time pondering Peter's three betrayals of Jesus or some time thinking about Thomas' doubts about a risen Christ or some time considering Ananias' lies about his beliefs. Jason now seems to reflect someone who believes an authority figure must not be doubted despite evidence to the contrary. He valued Roddy's STATEMENTS more than he's valued Danielle and Lisa's ACTIONS. At this point, Jason seems a 'cheap grace' kind of guy. If he uses POV to boot one of his nominees and replace that person with Roddy, then my opinion might change. But he's already said that he wanted an "easy week" and he's already chosen an "easy" out. |
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