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Bbrules4ever

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
danielle is struggling.....she never goes on vacation anywhere and has said whenever she get some extra money it goes right to extra groceries for her family.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zeyna I see nothing wrong with Dani wanting the money to provide a better life for her family. We also have no way of knowing her true financial situation.

As I said before, Dani's determination to win seems to me to be more pronounced than in any other houseguest. That determination and focus is fueled by her NEED to positively affect her family's living situation.

She struggles with her ethics (you can see the turmoil she goes through) when it comes to lying, giving and keeping her word and winning.

She hasn't lost direction...she's just in a construction zone.

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why is Dani's current income a factor in this game? Just because she mentioned she has had some rough times and wants to buy a house everyone thinks it's a poor me card? Sheesh! Come up with a better reason to hate the woman than this. It's just a scape goat to bash her on. I truly believe through her eyes she thinks she needs more money at this time. Thats cool with me. I would never decide who the winner should be based on their income or what they would do with the money. They get my vote based on how they played the game. If Ted Turner was in that house and he played the best I'd give it too him.

Oregonfire

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For some reason, I like to watch Dani struggle with her ambition. She's an interesting, complex person. (Okay the others may be too but her emotions are closer to the surface.)

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
jay she wanted roddy up she clearly said that. ja said she wouldnt do that because danni had told roddy he wouldnt. Danni clearly is not happy roddy wasnt nominated

Boberry

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So now that we know Jason won POV, do any of you think Danielle might influence Jason to override his own nominations and put Roddy up?

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
she will try but then roddy will say jump and jason will say how high. Oh you are so awesome.

Zeyna

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, there's nothing wrong with wanting more for your family. I just don't like seeing people playing "poor me", although it certainly is an acceptable strategy. On a personal level it angers me because it introduces an idea that a person in need somehow deserves to win. I felt the same last year with "Krista deserves the money" comments from HGs.

Oregon, she is a complex person and although not my favorite at all, the house would not be half as interesting without her.

It sure is tough having an unpopular opinion around here. I think I'll just keep them to myself from now on.

Boberry

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Jason is a sweetie but he is messing up big time. If he could get to the end with anyone BUT Roddy I think he would win it hands down on the vote. Dani better reign her boy in soon or he's going to be lost to the Pied Piper of BB3.

Oregonfire

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zenya, you're okay by me. On the scale of offensive opinions, that was about a 1 for me. (with 10 being the most offensive, in case that wasn't clear.)

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Will she try to influence him? Sure but she will back off like she has every time. She doesn't like to come right out and say, "Do it" she likes to hear them say it. That was her problem last week. She flip flopped all over the place and waited for approval. She could work this so easy but she doesn't have it in her. We all know that. We saw how she reacts. Theres too much time until pov meeting. She gets freaky and edgy and withdraws and backs off and then comes back and withdraws to the point of making you go crazy and in the end all she accomplished was making herself look like a fool. It will be pure luck if Jason stumbles on too something that would force him to question Roddys words. Gerry would be prime to point that out but I just don't think the man will come up with anything.

Jimmer

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Personally, I don't like it when people play the poverty line. BB is a game, not a charity. I didn't like it when Eddie played it, I didn't like it when Krista played it and I don't like Dani playing it. But if it works ....

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle is whipped. She can't match wits with Roddy. She pushed that sympathy, "I need the money" card waaay to heavily, and her strategy to eliminate Roddy completely exploded in her face. Roddy has no dirt on him, he's like teflon. She has no back-up plan. She's a one-trick pony. If BB3 was the mafia, and Roddy's the boss of the family, then she ranks no higher than the leader of a crew. She tried to take Roddy out like John Gotti did Paul Castellano, but she missed her target, and now she's going to get "whacked" as payback. Payback's a b***h, which is a fitting end for Danielle.

She should've stuck to cracking jokes and performing impressions. Everyone loves to keep the joker around, just like King Lear did his fool. I will miss the tension she adds to the house, but not her poor strategizing.

Cameltoes

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No need to keep any opinions to yourself Zeyna. I totally understand why bringing the "need" card into the game would be offensive. I don't like it because I just think it's stupid strategically. Why risk the resentment factor?

Oregonfire

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think what gets ignored is the sexual potency card. Face it, more attractive HGs usually make it closer to the end. Roddy's hot body is like having an extra person in his alliance! In the face of that kind of advantage, I think that using other cards is fair game if they work.

Thorntara

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle is not whipped, and she hasn't given up. She's campaigning heavily for that video tape. Notice the lack of singing...she WANTS to be on camera talking about how much she needs something from her family. "Oh, poor me, nobody understands because except for Gerry, none of them have kids." "Oh, poor me, I haven't won anything in this house, and everyone else has." She's campaigning. I'm not saying it's bad, just it is what it is.

What555456

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Dani is smart, she will simply start talking to each of the houseguests, explaining the methods Roddy uses to manipulate them with conrete examples -- but then pointing out that he does what he condemns them for.

Fairly easy to do -- if she is smart enough to do it in the proper tone in the proper way. Kind of a "Have you noticed how Roddy ......" More a do you see what I see type of thing, than an accusatry type of thing.

And alway talking about a third party -- not good to force someone to admit they have been manipulated. Let them save face by seeing in themselves what has happened to others but not having to say it out loud.

Zeyna

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Oregon :)
Cameltoes, you're right. I won't hold back on my opinions whether popular or not. I just felt that it's unfair having to justify one sentance about a tv when so many negative posts about other HGs are perfectly acceptable around here. It's unfair!! I didn't have a chance!! OK, now I'm having Chiara backflashes. I miss her by the way. The house is not the same without her.
Back on topic..

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
danni is still around but her chances are rare now that jason has sold her out and put a target on her back.

Jaysgal

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"a 48 inch tv can be as cheap as $999. a regular tv costs $300. So they have a big tv. Maybe it was a gift? she lives in california where home prices are high. She wants a house. Atleast she is honest about the money and that she wants it. roddy acts like he plays for the good of mankind."

Uhmm ... I live in Cali. And not all of Cali is expensive. I moved from the expensive areas such as Bay Area and Los Angeles to the non-expensive areas like Sacramento. If Danielle is as financially challenged as she claims, all she has to do is make the first step: move out of the expensive city. Neither her hubby nor she has a techie job to justify her decision to stay there.

Again, having lived in the Bay Area and knowing the average price of apartments, even the stinky dirty aparments are so expensive. You take that fact and gauge the price of Danielle's nice looking, luxury aparment complex, she has to have money to afford it. Even with government assistance programs, such apartment would be too expensive.

About Danielle being sad. Yes, she is sad. But Jason's nomination was her idea. She knew that she may push it, but it was stressing everyone including herself. She could not justify why Jason must do what she would not be willing to do were she HOH. So, she suggested Amy and Gerry. She is not happy, but it was a compromise.

Zeyna, you are not alone. I get so disgusted when I hear that appeal to pity. How many stories are there behind every individual? How about the viewers? I am sure there are many with such stories. Would she be willing to sacrifice $10k to some needy people in her city? Whatever!

I know and I'm so sure that she is leaving, I won't even waste my time on her subject. George from BB 1 was like that. He had people all supporting him and Eddie saying he was playing for George too. George was so phony. He left in the middle. I was so glad.

The same story applies to Krista from BB 2. She left in the middle of the game. My prediction is that Danielle will be leaving in the middle of the game. She's next. For one, Jason is not and should not be playing this game for her. The thought of it makes me want to throw up. Maybe if she cooled down, whoever wins would help her with some money if she was good to them. But she's hardly good to anyone.

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I tend to believe that in many ways she has given up on the game right now. I'm watching her and she doesn't have a plan B which seals her fate. This crap about playing "poor me" all the time is an old song. I see nothing wrong in a mother wanting to see her kids. Damn, everytime she mentions her family is it always going to be thought of as a strategy? By the way, I don't recall ever hearing her say she should win because she has financial problems. She only mentions her life outside the house when others ask. Then she talks about how great it would be to apply the winnings towards her family. Is that a strategy or did someone suggest that it was so that she looks bad for mentioning it? I think thats the real reason it has been called the "poor me" card. Just in case you get in the finals with her make sure you bring up how pathetic it is too mention your familys needs. It must have been her strategy for sympathy. Good come back if you fear sitting next to her in the finals. I think thats the real reason some are complaigning about it. I've yet to see where she has used it as a strategy for victory.

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal seems you've got a little dislike for Danielle Reyes going on :)

No she did not call these nominations. No matter how you spin it.

No she isn't using her financial situation as a poor me card. The person who fears sitting next to her in the finals would suggest something like that to take her off balance.

Jason actually SPIT on their alliance by doing this. He actually hasn't been playing just "her game" it has been his idea to get rid of Roddy as well. The boy even pulled her out of bed early one morning and swore that RODDY MUST GO! At this point in the game you need an alliance and he promised her one. He betrayed her. He did owe her but didn't pay up! His excuse was pathetic. She has more class than a lot of people cause most would have layed into him for what he has done.

Like I said... Your distaste for her is based on personal feelings about a woman that for some reason irks the living sh@t out of you. However, your reasons leave room for doubt. Just admit you don't care for her and leave it at that. She's not half the witch you suggest she is.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgirl, it's a lot easier for a single person to uproot themselves and commute. For families it means finding new schools, new living arrangments, two-parent commutes which would increase or incur child care expenses which could negate the whole reason for moving. It's just not that simple.

She wants her kids to have a private school education. She's probably struggling financially in order to accomplish that goal. Tuition isn't cheap.

The bottom line is that her NEED stems from a desire to better her families position. That NEED is fueling her ambition in the game and providing her strength, determination and focus. She looks at the finals as her "holy grail" and isn't in the house "for the experience". She's there for the money, experience be damned.

Cricket

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Last week's show was the first time I realized Danielle was from Fairfield. I grew up 20 miles south of there. Fairfield has reasonably cheap housing, compared to other parts of the Bay Area. I've read that Danielle's husband works for the Post Office and she works. If they really wanted to, they could have bought a house. I know the prices have tripled in the last 5 years, so maybe they got caught in the middle of that mess.

I love Danielle as a contestant and would like to see her win, but not because she needs the money. She should never EVER have listened to Amy last week. Roddy should have gone and there would be no problem now. Who cares if Amy was upset. For crying out loud, she's on the block now. Exactly what power does she have....NONE! She'd put Dani up too....doesn't Dani realize that?

Jason is too nice and gullible for his own good. The fact that he has a crush on a loose chick like Chiara, instead of Lisa, shows he is very gullible and doesn't see through people. However, I still trust him way more than Marcellus in looking out for Dani.

Dani and Lisa and Jason should have voted Roddy out last week. It was their 2nd chance and they blew it. As much as I like Dani, if she loses because of that, it was her choice.

I don't blame Jason for putting Gerry up, because when the other houseguests were trying to veto Lisa or Eric, he said he'd put Jason up. It's time for Gerry's comeuppance for that week.

Cameltoes

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle's only hope seems to be to try and get Amy evicted. Amy would not nominate Roddy if HOH but Gerry would. The big problem is that even if she and Lisa vote Amy out, they need Roddy to do it too. They'd have to convince Gerry to double deal Roddy.