Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:49 pm     i do not think anyone on this board should name call or insult no matter how crazy their argument. |
Woodpecke® | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:55 pm     C1 called me a 40 year old in a bubble, and he often uses attack language when he is put in a corner and can't think of a way out. The special ed comment was tacky, and the constant references to Jason and his faith were out of line. Stick to the issues and leave out the inflammatory diatribes. |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:55 pm     Lets move passed the special ed thing. It was meant as a definition of a mind block. Not for lying. Lord! Anyway.... I myself have said that Jasons choices for nomination are great and understandable based on his own agenda. However, when the topic of lying comes up and it is suggested he has not lied then that is where you lose this poster. He has lied. I would deal with it better had it not been to Dani that he lied too. Thats what makes him a creep. I'm still up in the air over the Chiara promise. It could have happened but that in itself proves how slick the kid is playing. He didn't keep his promise to Dani but had to keep his promise to Chiara. You can't help but say on dani's behalf... Thanks alot creep! I can't stress enough that in no way does it make him a walking creep in daily life it makes him a creep in this game. He might want to have reserved this type of play when it would be understood better. After folks like Gerry and Roddy had been booted. You don't play it right now without it hanging over you in a bad way. I wish him luck cause he's gonna need it. He's given them all just enough to call him on issues of honesty and trust when the time is just right. If Dani screws him over in the end and takes someone else to the finals I would laugh my ass off. She could refer back to this moment. |
Meggieprice | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:55 pm     Wcv-I don't understand how Jason can think he could be in an alliance with both Dani and Roddy unless he plans to have it be the three of them instead of their past plans.(and that wasn't a decision to make alone, was it?) That is where my fear comes in. I think the mistakes Jason made yesterday were just naive and impulsive. I fear he and Dani will both pay the price. Yes, Keiff, he played well for himself but up to now he has played for both of them and as I mentioned above Dani has done the same and is in this pickle because of protecting him. She did not deserve this. |
Gouraphik | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:56 pm     All this talk about lies & dealmaking is making my head spin! While there may be valid arguments as to what does or does not constitute a "technical" lie or falsehood, it sort of doesn't matter once you're in the house. The HG's don't have access to writing materials. Every single promise or deal is strictly verbal. Now, that's just asking for trouble (although it makes for great entertainment). The people involved have to rely on their recollections of the event, which are anything but full & complete. Not to mention, there's verbal inflections, gestures, and emotions involved in all of these deals. Whether the deal is straightforward like Gerry's (you don't nom me, I won't nom you next week), or convoluted like Roddy's (I can't even begin to decipher his tangled web of promises ), it's prone to being interpreted differently. The HG's in question interpret it their way, and us viewers interpret it another way. Given all this, I wouldn't recommend that any HG make fast & loose promises until all the parties know the terms of the deal. But since it would take away from the fun of watching them screw each other over, I'll just keep my mouth shut on the subject from here on in. |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:56 pm     gerry just said let the first one without sin throw the first stone. LOL we all have got carried away. lets just agree to go forward without name calling. c1 just didnt know the ground rules before |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:57 pm     Back off Wood as it stands I ended up being right. The king is still in the house and your magic 8 ball is running out of answers. You posted simply to attack me. Wasn't that just what you asked not too happen. Not in a good mood today so either play it or sit out... Your choice. DO NOT ATTACK me on this board! |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:58 pm     gour and c1 you are both right. Arguing who lied is dumb. They all have lied. |
Woodpecke® | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:00 pm     I don't attack. I have never called you a name. You specialize in that type of conversation. Your mood or your words make little impression when followed with insults. You are not even in my league. |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:01 pm     No one has called anyone names. The special ed refference was to a mind block in thought process. Nothing wrong in that.. Had there been a direct referrence to calling someone that awful "R" word there would be a problem. That was not the case. I stand by the special ed statement. |
Nimtu | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:01 pm     Wcv was not meant toward you!! I found your posts to be very appropriate. The other poster stated " Your final response suggests perhaps a mental block that some have in special ed." I was responding to that comment as well as his/her earlier one with the same type of comment. I should have made my point with that disclaimer. Being very new to this board I was just taken aback by the comments. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:01 pm     Meggie...Roddy and Jason's deal is a loose one that doesn't constitute a "to the end" alliance. It's the same kind of deal that Roddy made with Dani and that wasn't an alliance breaker. As Jason is taking all the risks as HOH (and remember he can't compete for HOH next week) his need to be protected should be paramount for the nominations. I don't think he was being naive but being savvy. Dani and Jason are still a team. There is no break. There is no loss of trust or sense of abandonment. Perhaps a little frustration on both sides trying to get their point across but nothing that could be called a betrayal. |
Meggieprice | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:01 pm     Back to thread- has anyone heard Dani strategize at all today? I kept coming in on the end of whispered things- one with Lisa, one with Jason. Has any game playing occurred? |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:02 pm     Uh ok Wood. LMAO!! |
Cameltoes | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:05 pm     I haven't seen any real strategizing today. Danielle and Jason did agree to have a discussion later. I assume this will be strategy talk. |
Maris | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:07 pm     There is no reason for Dani to give up. I believe that Jason will veto his own nominations and put Roddy up. All it will take is a few tears from Dani. She may wait till Monday but she will do it. There is no way she is going to let this go by without a really good effort. |
Meggieprice | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:07 pm     Wc- it seems clear to me that all Jason has to do is tell Gerry he will veto him if 1)he votes Roddy out and 2)he does not nominate Jason. Then put Roddy in his place- guaranteed Marc/Dani/Gerry to evict. (Lisa probably too). That eliminates Roddy as a threat to everyone and Gerry as a threat to Jason. Wood- that is true, noone is in your league. You are one of the few posters who has actually made my cry with nasty remarks to me. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:08 pm     Sorry for the misunderstanding Nimtu. I humbly apologize for my misinterpretation! |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:11 pm     Megg don't worry thats what Wood comes on here for. I think for the most part my debate with WC was a respectful one and I would like to get back on topic... Which leads me to saying... Would this all be a kick if Jason has every intention of calling his own nomination and putting up Roddy? Now that would be another moment to whitness. If he does this I will applaud the kid ( even though he is a liar) hahahaha ok now that was a joke so ya better laugh Wc |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:14 pm     |
Keiffer | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:14 pm     Wait a sec here... I think I am getting it now. Sorry I must have had a blonde moment. You guys are upset with Jason like Lisa was upset with Chaira? In the Chiara Lisa thing it was always assumed that Chiara would vote to evict Eric just like I guess it was assumed that Jason would put Roddy up if he got HoH. There were not any specific words spoken in either situation that made the outcomes 100%, but actions were what made people think they knew what was going to happen. For whatever reason people in the house are giving more weight to words than actions this year, and based on that Jason I think gets to squirm of the hook.... this time. |
Cameltoes | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:15 pm     But why change his own nominations? Why wouldn't he just have put Roddy up in the first place? To mess with his mind? I'm trying to figure out what the benefit of that would be but I can't see it. If he was going to make a deal with Gerry, I think he would have done so already. Do you think he's trying to get some type of commitment from Danielle that he doesn't yet have? |
Maris | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:18 pm     I just think he might change his mind becauwse he was so unsure to begin with. If you recall right up to the moment of nomination he didnt know what he was going to do. He also gave Dani an out saying if I find anything out between now and the POV to show I cant trust him, I will use the pov and put him up. I believe that Dani will do everything in her power to get Jason to use that POV. I think Lisa and Chiara were right, jason is weak. |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:18 pm     Camel I'm just saying it would be wild. who knows with Jason. He shocked most of us. Maybe he might bust another move for the hell of it. Maybe he didn't want to hear Roddy work it all week long if he had been nominated right away. Maybe he would consider it if he could find one solid thing to call him on. Maybe I'm just wishing... Probably that last maybe is the one that will apply. |
Cameltoes | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:21 pm     Ah ok... well it would certainly give us some excitement during what looks to be a very boring week! I think Danielle should try to encourage him to cut a deal with Gerry. But she seems so distrustful of Gerry that I don't know that she will end up doing anything about the current state of affairs. |