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Dagny

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I keep thinking if his reaction was positive, it wouldn't make for good TV...so why even bother. Me thinks he might be a bit mad...and maybe even more mad that she turned her back on Roddy, and went over to Dani's side.

Maisie52

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I live in CT and saw an interview with him on the local news. He said he thought she did what she had to do and that he understands. He also said he feels he already won by meeting Lisa.

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eric's reaction: "Don't ever call me again, you b****!"

If he isn't mad, I've lost all respect for Eric. That was f***ing cold of her. She should receiving all of your scorn.

Okay, Big Brother's about to come on here in Toronto right now. I'm out...

Chyang

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But Eric has already told some home town papers that (PP)he understands...this must has been a game strategy on Lisa's part.

What he really thinks is another thing. But I doubt he'd say anything bad about Lisa so soon. It's going to be just a tape interview, ASP people probably had it done the same time he talked to the reporter.

Kappy

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 06:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
1) Maybe he's hoping she wins and wants to share?
2) Let's not forget some of the things Eric said to Roddy about the stupidity of the women and their incapability to play the game. With Eric gone, Lisa has really come into her own in this game. And while Lisa is feeling guilty now ~ it's because she hasn't seen those tapes of how the guys really talked behind the girl's backs. That would eliviate any guilt she's feeling completely.
3) Was she suppose to step aside and let Eric win the $500,000 to prove something?

Yes, I have no doubt that inside, Eric was probably shocked and even hurt when he found out. But in hindsight, and seeing how Lisa is playing now, I would hope that he would understand.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 06:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mr_B.....I don't usually quote the houseguests but for this I'm going to make an exception: This isn't love connection...it's a game. A game Lisa wants to win.

Wannabb3

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 06:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maisie...where in CT do you live. I come from New Haven.....actually Woodbridge......but raised in Milford where Eric is from.

Justshirley

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And let's not forget -- Lisa's vote wound up not even mattering in the end -- that's got to make it easier for Eric to be so understanding.

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 06:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kappy: How has Lisa come into her own? She's only gone from becoming Eric/Roddy's lap-dog to Danielle's.

Wcv63: Let's say your boyfriend/mate chose not to vote you back in for another chance at 500 bills? You're partners. You're supposed to look out for your partner, she chose herself instead of choosing for the two of them. She obviously lacks the necessary backbone to attempt to convince him upon his arrival back into the house that Chiara stabbed her in the back, with Roddy behind it, and the two of them should work with everyone else to eliminate Chiara and Roddy. But she didn't do that. She didn't even give him a second chance! You don't do that to someone you "love". I'm shocked beyond all belief that no one out there agrees that if she loves him, she should have tried to bring him back. It's worse than Chiara voting to eliminate her.

Uhoh

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 06:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
love? they spent some weeks in a surreal house on a reality show. they made a connection, and will probably date outside the house and see if there's enough connection for a relationship.

they aren't 'mates' or 'partners' - they're two people who are attracted to one another and began a relationship.

eric has no right actually to be pissed, since he said in the house several times that in the context of the game, lisa was expendable. on that basis alone, he should (and probably does) understand.

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Uhoh: They both used the words "love" many, many times when talking about one another. And they totally both consider themselves boyfriend and girlfriend. Am I wrong? Anyone?

For all y'all out there with mates: Conduct this little experiment at home tonight. Before you go to bed (right before bed would be perfect), ask your mate: "Baby, I just want to ask you something. If we both had a chance to win $500,000 in a competition, and you lost your chance, but due to a twist in the contest I had the opportunity to bring you back into the competition, but I thought that by bringing another competitor who was also eliminated from the same contest back into the competition it would help MY chances of winning the money as opposed to OUR chances the money, you'd understand, wouldn't you?"

Ask your boyfriend/girlfriend that question tonight and watch how they react. Let me know what kind of sleep you get that night. Enjoy the misery and hell that this revelation to your lover causes you over the next 24 hours. If you have a girlfriend, please be sure to specify how many minutes she cries for. If you have a boyfriend, please describe the exact shade of red his face turns.

And also, how exactly did Amy's presence help Lisa out? With Eric in there, it represents TWO chances for one of the two of them to win the whole thing. With Eric not in there, it all comes down to her...ONE chance. Besides, look how Lisa plays. She aligns herself with someone dominant, and then does whatever he/she tells her to. She could at least be submissive to Eric, do what he and Roddy tell her to, and have a greater chance of going to the final three than with Danielle. She has no ability to strategize.

I've seen it said on many postings on this board today that everyone loves the way Lisa has come into her own since Eric left. Someone please, enlighten me, how has Lisa come into her own? I have to know.

Curlyq

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mr_Bozack, you definitely see their relationship differently than I do, but so does Lisa so that's okay. Still, I can't imagine in a million years how Lisa could have ever convinced Eric to help her go after Roddy and Chiara for trying to help him stay in the house. He always made it clear that in the game his first loyalty was to Roddy and that he (Eric) and Lisa had an agreement not to let their relationship affect their gameplaying and vice versa. Lisa knew bringing Eric back would have meant she would be expected to roll over and rejoin the couples' alliance and she didn't want that. If Eric had been in her place and had to choose between Lisa and winning the game...well I think he made it pretty clear where his priorities were.

As for what Eric's taped reaction will be, Big Brother wouldn't be showing it if it wasn't another lovefest. He'll play the knight in shining armor and give the producers what they want, a love story not unlike Mike Boogie waiting for Krista with his floral bouquet.

Uhoh

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
they're infatuated, not in love. love might or might not come later.

your experiment isn't fair because with us, our mates came before the game. it's apples and oranges. you can't compare knowing someone a few weeks in that context, to having a relationship grounded in the real world.

lisa was smart not to vote eric back in. she wasn't focused on the game when he was there, and knows herself well enough to realize that she weakens when she's with a paramour - she told him this herself one night when they were in bed talking and she spoke in general of past relationship history.

eric and roddy were strong buddies, and bringing him back would set them up to be on opposing sides, if she was able to keep her focus.

there's time to see him outside, but she realized her best chance at winning was without him in the house.

i agree.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mr_B: Let's say your boyfriend/mate chose not to vote you back in for another chance at 500 bills? You're partners.

Well let's see. My husband and I dated for 4 years before we got married. We were together for many months before a firm committment was established. I've been married for almost 15 years. Yeah. I'd vote him back in.

If it was someone I met while IN the game during the competition and I had known them for less than 3 weeks I would be predisposed to put the game first. I would think I'd have the common sense to realize that the relationship hadn't been tested in real life and that circumstances and feelings may be heightened due to the enforced "togetherness."

However, because this is a "what if" question, it's rather hard to answer definitively because I'm not in that situation nor am I ever likely to be. I tell my kids all the time that "what if" questions can have many different answers based on hundreds of variables.

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Curlyq, you make good points. Where I'm from, once you use the L word, it's love, and it's not a word to be thrown around loosely. It appears I'm in the minority here.

I also don't think Lisa could've convinced Eric to go against Chiara and Roddy, but then it would be back to four of them, which would improve her chances. She hasn't done anything since Amy returned other than do what Danielle says.

Eric said the thing about "choosing between Lisa and winning the game" before the L word got tossed into the mix. It was earlier in the series and before Eric said "Hi". My gut tells me their feelings for one another intensified since he said the thing about "choosing between Lisa and winning the game," but that's purely speculation on my part.

Finally, even if I was totally mad at Lisa for not giving me a second crack at the scratch, I also wouldn't dog her on national television. I'd wait until we were alone before confronting her about it, or I'd tell her I'm not mad while she cries all over my shirt, and then save it as a "get out of jail free" card for when I screw up in the future.

Disco

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eric should be happy that Lisa has a mind of her own! She came to play this game by herself, she has to leave it by herself as well. It was Lisa's best move to keep Eric away from the game !!

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63, sure, definitely you'd have waay more to lose by not voting your husband of fifteen years back into the game. So granted, your and her situation isn't quite comparable, unless your consider your husband your soul-mate. After Eric said "hi", she said she found her soul-mate in Eric, which is pretty damn special. She didn't vote her self-described soul-mate back into the house.

And hey, I don't think in terms of black and white either. I'm very much a thousand shades of gray type guy.

And when it comes down to it, Eric should probably give her another chance after she gets out. She's a dingy chick and her lack of ability to make the choice that would benefit her chances to win the game shouldn't be held against her if they can experience true happiness together.

It just BURNS me that she wouldn't give him a second chance and everyone here doesn't think that she should have. It's so cold. The only person she's been the "princess of darkness" to is her own soul-mate.

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Disco: How was it Lisa's best move to keep Eric away from the game?

Also, is it better for her to leave by herself, or with Eric in the final two, which is not a possiblity now at all?

Twistedsis

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mr_Bozack quite simply YES you are wrong. This is a game. They did not join this game as a couple. Things happened after Eric's leaving which would be extremely difficult to explain in the setting of the house. AND Lisa vote proved to have no influnce on the outcome. Eric was not coming back into the house anyway.

And yes I do feel that unlike Roddy and Kiki, what Lisa and Eric has was a real start *BUT* start is the key word here.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Twistedsis: Word.

Mr. B...the reality is that they both signed up for a reality game. The goal of that game is to win 500gs at all costs. It's a selfish game that requires total focus and self control.

The relationship that was flowering between Lisa and Eric is completely untested. Real life has a way of throwing cold water on romantic illusions. The game of BB has no room for romantic illusions IF the goal is to be acheived.

I don't think Lisa was dingy at all. Her relationship with Eric was distracting her from the game. She was letting herself become completely unaware of her competitors changing strategies and motives. She wasn't focused.

She made the only decision that any intelligent woman could possibly make.

Neokat

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Are we all forgetting about ORD? If he was brought back in, it was agreed upon that he'd be voted right back out. Saying good-bye once was hard enough.

Twistedsis

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Neokat you are forgetting who came up with that ORD crap, is Eric had come back Roddy would have had him back in his fold in a heartbeat.

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's irrelevant that Lisa's vote had no bearing. It's the fact that she didn't vote for her soul-mate.

And I don't think I'm wrong when I say that some things are stronger than a game. They didn't start the game as a couple, but they FOUND themselves because of it...all the more reason to reunite herself with him in the house. Isn't love stronger than any game? Is your soul-mate not worth a second chance Twistedsis?

And a start means it's started. Doing what she did is a excellent way to possibly end it. I pose this question: What's worth more: The possibility of finding and being with your true soul mate...or $500,000.

Me? I'll take the soul-mate any damn day of the week, because it's a fairly documented fact that money can't buy you hapiness.

HEY! I'm a true romantic. Whaddaya want from me? That s*** is truly precious. Money gets spent and is gone.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Once again Mr_B...love must tested in real life before it can be certified geniune. BB is not real life. It's as manufactured as you can get.

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63: I'll ask you directly: How does Eric's not being in the house help Lisa? In this case, Eric re-entering the house could help the two of them to win. He love for Eric wasn't distracting her, they were an airtight voting block. She was always aware of her competition's changing strategies and motives. They were very sucessful. They sucessfully got rid of Lori, Tonya and Amy. She voted for each one of these three, didn't she? She was on the winning team, and could've tried to re-unite the team. Her scorn for Chiara was unfair. OF COURSE Roddy is going to try to keep his girlfriend in the house. That's what a boyfriend does...look out for his girlfriend. What does Lisa expect? For Roddy to campaign against his girlfriend?

Now she's back following another alpha-(in this case)female's wishes, and was convinced to vote in a direction she didn't want to. This makes her dingy in my opinion. She isn't thinking for herself.

The only intelligent decision a woman could make: Keep my guaranteed teammate out and vote in someone who's going to go and work for Roddy anyway. O-kay...