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Mystery

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We can still make most of the comments that have been made. We can still say "Gee, Amy drank six Citronas last night." I think that what we can't do is to go on to make the diagnosis "She's an alcoholic."

Woodpecke®

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
$500,000 should never be dull.

Tisha90029

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they need to replace the Citrona with milk so everyone in the house ends up looking like Tonya by the end. Additional benefit? Embarrassing, tell-tale milk mustaches in the morning.

Just a thought.

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dunno....I like Amy, faults and all. I don't have ANY friends that have NO faults. I think a lot of people are judging her from their own perspective...but I don't think they are all 23 year old southern girls. Some folks mature a lot faster than others, but I don't think I should compare what *I* would do with what *Amy* would do in the same situation. My 51 years experience as a gay male taught me different lessons than her relatively short life experience as a fun lovin' southern belle.

I also keep thinking about the fact that Amy has "paid her debt to society"....that is what the court system is all about, isn't it?

I forgive her for making mistakes in the past. I forgive her for getting drunk and making an ass of herself last night. Some of my best friends have made asses of themselves after a bit too much partying (including myself) but I don't see that as a reason to condemn them. There are some in the house that I probably would not be so generous with, because I actively dislike them. Just as with friends and acquaintences of mine...if someone I like or love makes a blundering mistake, I tend to forgive them a lot quicker than someone whom I cannot stand. Everyone is unique and we all have our own criteria and our own experience that determines who we like or dislike.

I don't think anyone should have to justify why they do not condemn Amy and why they still like her....we are all entitled to forgive others as we choose.

Abigail1970

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What - I think the point is just that you can't make a without a doubt diagnosis of Amy's behavior and label her an alcoholic just by her behavior in this house. It's just not possible. You could say perhaps instead that she has alcoholic tendencies and she shoujld be careful.

But this is in fact a game. I am sure MANY of these people are not acting like they do outside of the house. They are trying to win 500,000 any way they know how.

Woodpecke®

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I understand that this site is moderated, and the decision to delete threads or individual responses is allowed whenever someone in charge feels the need. I will say this, however. The moderators have a responsibility, if they are to be consistent, to remove all SMOKING GUN links and references from the entire board. The links and discussion have nothing to do with the way this game is played, DO THEY????????????

Whit4you

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What555456 if your gonna diagnos anyone in that exact situation as being an alcholic then you'd have to say the same about most of the other house guest on most of the other BB shows - Josh - Eddie - Curtis..heck I remember in BB I they choose booze over food if they had to make the choice lol. BB limits the amount of booze allowed in the game in most cases otherwise based on your definition of an alcholic all but a few housguests out of the few dozen involved to date would need your AA clinic :)

Your double standard is funny though I know most 24 yr old guys going on a cruise or what-have you drink all the time .. look at the spring breaker's I guess they all would need your AA clinic eh LOL :)

At any rate...I've had more experience with alcoholics then the average person and based on the circumstances present regarding Amy there's definately no way to tell if she is or is not one... or even if she is a 'problem drinker"

Next thing we will be hearing is that Dani is addicted to doing laundry - if we are going to base the person on their actions in the BB house...eh :) Do they have a treatment program for laundraholics?

Ryanc2002

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood - Smoking gun articles that have facts about arrests are different than people on the boards playing Dr. Phil.

Whit4you

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker - discussing a puclic record document via the Smoking gun is different in my opinion then calling someone a drug addict or alcoholic or what-have-you. At any rate this is a moderated board and most of us like it those who don't .... can find dozens of other options via a search of Sir Links alot...:)

Peachie

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wonder what the Smoking Gun would pull up on me if I went on the show? I would be very afraid even knowing I have never gotten in trouble with the law, no nasty divorces, no child custody suits, no restraining orders, no nothing, no wonder they dont let people like me on BB. :( I guess I would be too boring for them.

I think I learned a lesson last year watching BB2, I let what I read about them shadow how I really felt about them as a person and that wasnt fair so this year I just shake my head when I read something about their personal life and hope that all goes well for them when they get out. I dont really know them and in a sense I do but I cannot judge them because I do have a past like everyone else, never got in trouble but I will always know what is in my past. ;o)

Wcv63

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SanFran, what a wonderful post! Thank you for sharing your wisdom.

Yellek

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was just about to post the exact same thing, Ryan.

Crossfire

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would say the documents provided on TSG put it out of the reach of comparisons to the National Enquirer as far as backing up their stories go. Definitely not speculation.

Woodpecke®

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But neither has any revelance to the game. The links to "National Enquirer"-like sites need not be a part of this board. (This makes sense to me.)

Pcakes2

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly Mystery.

1. Amy got drunk last night!
That's stating a fact.

2. I think maybe Amy shouldn't drink so much.
That's an opinion.

3. Amy is an alcoholic.
That crosses the (board)line.

Let's play nice everyone.

Ddr1135

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks to Moderator for your words. Amy's behavior last night is minor compared to the alcohol induced nights of BB3UK. Two nights before being crowned winner, Kate threw up all over the bedroom from being drunk (and she also got naked!) Our version of BB is nothing compared to the shenanigans going on over there.

Ryanc2002

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It isn't anything like the national enquirer Woodpecker, everything they post is fact. It happened. Unlike the enquirer who seems to think people have alien babies. My advice to you is let the moderators moderate.

Woodpecke®

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tongue is firmly in cheek at the moment.

Aerojunki

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see what the big deal was last night..she had a few drinks & handled herself more like a lady *tipsy* then the other girls do sober..what was the harm?

Jumpcuts

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am an alcoholic; 4 years sober but an alcoholic nevertheless.

I like Amy. I think there is a sweet, very soft, very vulnerable little girl under that hard exterior. Previously (before I read about her record), I thought she was a problem drinker at the minimum. When she explained last night that it's easier for her to talk to people when she has a bit of a buzz on, I became convinced that Amy <might have a problem>. When I read of her criminal record today .... well, it erased any doubts I might have.

I like her. I hate to see her go. But <in my opinion> she definitely <has a problem>. She <seems to not be> a social drinker; she <appears to use> alcohol as a coping mechanism. I sincerely hope she learns from this experience.

<MODERATED so you can see what the difference is between making a diagnosis and having an opinion. Please see previous post if you have a question about this.>

(c)

Woodpecke®

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have no need for your advice, Ryan, but thanks for your concern.

Tisha90029

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
oy gevalt

Cynny

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is what I believe. ALL people are human and make mistakes. Very few of us wouldn't have at least something in our pasts that we would be embarassed for the nation to be discussing over their morning coffee. Most of us grow older and wiser and learn from those mistakes. Lots of us have probably had at least one time in our life when we woke up one morning and thought we probably shouldn't have driven home the night before but got lucky and nothing bad happened. There but for the grace of God go I, or something like that.

I watched Amy last night and it was painful to watch. It is so obvious that she is vulnerable and in a lot of pain. But...she wasn't the drunkest person I have ever seen and she DID NOT get behind the wheel of a car last night. None of us can really know how we would feel in Amy's situation because we aren't there. I also believe this...some people are judgmental and cruel and I don't understand the pleasure those people seem to take from saying hateful things.

Crossfire

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If I were a smartarse, I would challenge you to a game of degrees of separation to show the relevance, but I imagine you would find that quite cheeky of me.

I leave it as an exercise for those who are interested.

Abigail1970

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She is not an alcoholic. I feel more comfortable talking to people when I'm tipsy as well. But do I do that all the time. NO, it's just the truth. Alchohol lowers your inhibitions. It makes most people do things they never would do sober. Just her making that statement doesn't make her an alcoholic. It just doesn't.
My goodness, I thought we covered this.