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Archive through August 28, 2002
Costacat | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:17 am     If you don't wear a thong, that's your own personal choice. For those who do, again it's a personal choice. I wear what I want to wear and what feels comfortable to me. If someone (who obviously doesn't wear the same style of clothing) stares at me, I consider it rude, intrusive (and, on occasion, harrassing). Then again, I am not shy about telling someone that I am uncomfortable with staring. And ultimately, that is what Lisa needs to do. Either talk to Gerry directly (and alone), or ask another HG or BB to talk to Gerry. Lisa's feelings are her feelings, and no one has the right to invalidate how she feels. |
Bcandscott | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:18 am     If we think back to when the "HORRIBLE GERRY" stuff first began, it was Dani watching from the shower as Gerry exited the bathroom and walked past the sink toward the kitchen. She was in the shower. She couldn't see the kitchen. She couldn't have known if he washed his hands in the kitchen or not. Someone then went to see what he was doing and saw he was making the salad. That person had no way of knowing if Gerry had stopped at the kitchen sink to wash his hands or not. That whole thing began the GERRY IS THE MOST HORRIBLE VILE CREATURE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH phenomenon. Dani could have gone to him privately, but she CHOSE to discuss this incident as "he didn't wash his hands after handling his thing and then put his hands in that salad we ate and I could just DIE" with everyone available to discuss it with. I think she called it WARNING them about the possibility of leprosy, AIDS, hepatitis in whatever version, and every other horrid contagion known to mankind. What this allowed the OTHERS to do was to have SOMEONE they could all look down on as a group, someone to despise, someone to talk about. And boy have they talked about him. Almost constantly. It didn't matter that others were equally foul. It didn't matter that someone could have just said, Gerry, don't wash your clothes in the sink. Dani walked by him doing it at least twice that I recall without saying a WORD to him about it, but then one night when they were playing a long round of BASH GERRY, and the conversation hit a lull, she said "and you know what else...he washes his exercise clothes in the KITHCHEN SINK" and they all screamed EWWW and freaked out. So, in every possible way, since that first hand washing, isn't Gerry gross beginning of the game, these houseguests have ostracized this man, talked about him continually and made him feel like a total outcast. Meanwhile, they are all bonding and having a good old time and he watches and thinks, "why don't I belong" and begins trying to imitate their behavior in order to belong. He hears the constant sexual banter, revelations, and watches the constant sexual activity of one type or another....Roddy leering at Chiara, Lisa and Eric moaning in bed, all the women taking BJ lessons in the back yard, the women drinking and discussing who and what they've done in graphic detail. He figures, hey, I guess if I want to seem like part of the crowd, I have to talk a little more sexually and he does. And of course, he is TRASHED for it, accused of being vulgar and a pedophile. HE CANNOT WIN, because from the first days in the house, he was predetermined to be ICKY GERRY. Dani started it, the rest of them picked up on it and it has escalated to extremes. Before someone says, "are you RELATED to Gerry" or Gosh, you must be the Gerry fan club, I have to say, I don't like him, the way he has played the game, his horrible pretentious speeches, and I think there should have been some other way to "fit in" than the route he chose, a way that might have been more successful, so no, I'm not a fan and I hope he goes home this week, BUT, I also know he has been treated really badly. Gerry has become like that dark, slightly overgrown house down the block where the strange old man lives and all the kids in the neighborhood tell tales about how he is evil and if he catches you, you are never seen again, so they throw stones at the windows and spray paint things on his garage door and dare each other to ring his doorbell. The rest of the houseguests use Gerry like a ghost story that lets them huddle together, shudder and bond...all at his expense. Sexual harrassment is a real problem. To take the exaggerated tales of this group of extremely immature people and start accusing this socially inept man of such a thing is foul, and cruel and belittles real victims who have actually had to endure harrassment. The above is JUST my opinion. Much of it reflects things already said by Fruitbat, but I think this originated in the very first few days of the game and wanted to express that. |
Costacat | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:20 am     Good point, Jim. No matter what, there is a lot of ageism in this household. Behaviour by a younger houseguest might be deemed "acceptable" whereas behaviour by an older one might be deemed as "unacceptable." |
Hosewater | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:28 am     I have a question for those of you who have worn thongs (I never have and never will)... I have heard it said that they are not very comfortable, that women wear them so as not to have panty lines or to get a tan on their butt cheeks. Both of those reasons (panty lines and butt cheek tan) have to do with appearance. In other words, wearing a thong means you sort of expect people to be looking. Why else tan your behind or eliminate panty lines? |
Spunky | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:35 am     Bcandscott, very well said!!! Okay, now Lisa too is down for me...no one else to cheer for. This is the lousiest BB group ever!! |
Jasper | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:41 am     Bcandscott- great post!! Many of my thoughts laid out there. Whit4you - lmao, that song keeps going around in my head! |
Tortie2k | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:42 am     Hosewater, I have never worn a thong either, and probably never will. But just the other day, my 26 year old daughter and her friend were talking about their thong underwear. They both said they only wear them because it eliminates VPL (visible pantie line). They said if you get the right size, they're not really that uncomfortable. Ewwwww. If I felt anyone of any age sexually harassed me or my daughter, we would say something to the correct person. Neither of us are inclined to play the victim role. But as bad as someone preying on another is, right next to it is accusing someone (usually a male) of harassment that just doesn't exist. The false accusation alone can ruin a life. |
Azriel | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:43 am     Hosewater, those are my thoughts,too. Noone puts on a thong and thinks it's comfortable. You have to get used to the feeling of your panties getting into a wad. That is something that I and I daresay, most women have tried to prevent all their lives. OOoooh, I just realized, maybe that's Lisa's problem - she got her panties in a wad! |
Woodpecke® | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:45 am     Lisa needs Josh to make a return visit so he can SMACK HER ON THE BUTT! HaHa! |
Hosewater | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:49 am     Personally, I have never judged another person on whether they had panty lines or not. On the subject of LOOKING, or as Lisa calls it LEERING, ya know sometimes you just have to look. What's wrong with looking at someone. And when does it become leering or staring. Five seconds? Thirty seconds? There have been many many times I have seen someone with a t-shirt that had some funny message and I just wanted to read it. Hey, maybe Gerry's shirt should read "If you can read this, then you are staring at me." |
Hosewater | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:51 am     Are you leering at me? Grrroowwwlll... |
Azriel | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:54 am     LOL, Hose! I think of that shot of Gerry's butt coming out of the tapioca goo on the bathing suit switch challenge. I believe when they were watching the tape of it, that Lisa was leering at Gerry's butt! |
Gramma | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 09:04 am     Simple facts. Girls who don't want men to stare at them, shouldn't wear thongs. Gerry is a man. Just because he's old enough to be her father doesn't mean he shouldn't want to look. I'd wonder about him if he didn't. My husband has quite a few years on Gerry and we have a daughter older than Dani. My husband still enjoys looking at youth and beauty, and so do I. There's nothing wrong or weird in wanting to look. Just means you're still alive. We've witnessed age discrimination in the extreme in this show. What I'd like to see is a BB episode where at least 10 out of the original 12 HG were over the age of 40. Alas.. not enogh young T&A to keep Joe Q public tuning in. |
Mnkygrrrl | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 09:05 am     I don't think people wear thongs so their buns will tan. They like how it makes their butt look and unless they walk around with several mirrors so they can see their own backsides I think it's more for the attention. I wear one when I want to look sexy. She likes that the cameras are catching it just like they did Shannon last year. I don't blame her for that but don't complain if he doesn't shield his eyes when he has a butt in his face. Come on. He doesn't stare any more than Roddy or any other hg. BTW WTG Azriel. |
Zachsmom | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 09:06 am     Whew..what a long and emotional thread..I can see points on all sides..if what Gerry does makes her feel uncomfortable she needs to say something..it's her responsibility to tell him..I am sure his intentions is not to make her feel uncomfortable and he hasn't said anything that I would call perverted.. Someone else stated earlier if it were Mel Gibson or Sean Connery she wouldn't have reacted the same way..I agree..There is a man who works in the Suite next to mine and he constantly makes comments to me..He'll drive by in his car and say things like "Hey little girl want some candy" ..or "Wow..she's got some legs" One day he asked for my hand, ran his finger down my palm and then proceeded to stick his finger in his mouth and said "I just wanted to taste how sweet you are"..had any of the above been done by an attractive man..say Sean Connery in his oh so sexy voice..I would have turned three shades of red ,offered my other hand and offered him seconds.. but because it's by this little twirp whom I find unattractive it bugs me and makes me feel uncomfortable..(and after his last comment I have told him to stop..).. so in my opinion..Lisa is reacting this way because she finds Gerry unattractive..and what she needs to do is tell him it does..I am almost positive that he doesn't realize he is making her feel this way.. |
Wiseolowl | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 09:30 am     Bscan you summed it up very well. Lisa has issues allright but they aren't related to harassment. It's about the beautiful people , the "good" people and perhaps as she said herself some things in her past that may colour her feelings. For the posters who keep putting up the Homer Simpson cartoons, personally I don't think they are very funny. As a middle age male with the paunch that comes with it , which one fights all the time , and a beard that would be white if I grew one - you're stereotyping - file your post away for 20 some years and then look at yourself or your spouse in the mirror - you may see things differently. Gerry has alot more depth than Homer and probably the Sean Connerys and other 50 something starlets, whom if Gerry looked like, would probably not have been the subject of the contempt he's been shown. |
Allietex | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 09:33 am     If the definition of sexual harrassment is that the "victim" feels uncomfortable then if I was in that house I would have certainly been a victim of sexual harrassment because all the sex talk was disgusting and graphic and would have made me very uncomfortable. If anyone objected which Amy did she was treated like a child and a prude.Was she a victim of sexual harrassment? What makes one person uncomfortable doesn't bother someone else. I am not saying a woman should overlook those vague feelings but for God's sake she is talking about a man on camera feeds that potentially could be on national tv and are already on the internet. A man's whole life and career can be ruined by such vague accusatins. The place for her to complain was in the DR not to the other hgs. She is the one obsessed with Gerry not the other way around. How is Gerry supposed to know his actions are objectionable when he has seen stuff that is just as bad or worse. He is not a mind reader. He has only their actions to judge his own. If no on tells him anything how is he supposed to know they feel what he says or does is inappropriate!!!!! And Lisa did make it an age thing when she mentioned that he was a pervert for looking at her when he had a daughter her age. And calling him a pedphile for looking at her is absurb. She is no child. She is a grown woman who works in a strip club and discusses personal sex on national tv and the internet. And apparently others were present at the time of the so called incident and didn't even remember it, and no posters thought it important enough to comment on until she brought the subject up. And believe me if there was anything to it someone would have noticed. Nothing gets by us. Then last night she makes this big fuss about being afraid of Gerry and not wanting to go to sleep until he got up. I think this whole thing is about a problem she has in her life not about anything real that Gerry has done. If no one tells him anything how is he supposed to know!!! |
Hunter | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 09:42 am     Tan line...panty line...what a joke. A woman who wears a thong, out in the public eye, wants to show of her arse and attract men. Your right...Its just the wrong person looking at it that bugs them. It sure attracted my attention...smiling broadly |
Costacat | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 11:01 am     Hosewater (and others): I wear thongs only. I have for many years (way before you could buy them in mainstream dept stores). I wear them because they are more comfortable than "panties" that "bunch up." If you buy the correct size, they are not uncomfortable or painful (you also need to buy ones made of good quality material). I did NOT start to wear them because I wanted to avoid panty lines. I do not wear thongs because I "want to be sexy." I do not wear thongs so someone can "leer" at me. |
Theo17 | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 11:14 am     cost I bet if you dont want guys looking at you then dont wear peanut butter "suits" on national tv. |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 11:16 am     I just read this whole thread through. I think my tongue is bleeding. |
Costacat | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 11:20 am     Theo, good point. But we weren't talking about PB "suits" were we? <grin> |
Crossfire | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 11:22 am     The difference being that thong undies do not provide the grand view of the buns that a thong bikini does which is central to this discussion. I consider the two to be separate unrelated products. |
Abbynormal | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 11:25 am     This whole thread makes me glad I wear granny panties. |
Kaili | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 11:28 am     Just a question...did Lisa let Gerry look at her bug bite on her bum? |
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