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Chance

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina,
Read all of yesterdays posts and you may see what some are referring to. Calling G a prison B**ch, then printing a song which suggests G is a big beast who wants to have sex with M IS bashing.
Maris has a right to dislike anyone she chooses but repeated bashing posts on a sympathetic thread re G is antagonising to G supporters.

Hosewater

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Plus, you'll never hear Maris say a bad word about Marcellas (which is somewhat mind-boggling considering the bile that has spewed from Marcellas' mouth).

I just have to believe that Maris is young. People under thirty have zero respect or tolerance for anyone older than them.

Lovemarc

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That shower scene was very strange. I don't think Gerry is bisexual, but I've never seen straight guys so obviously check out another guy. Straight guys subtly check out other guys in locker rooms and group showers, but that is totally different. So weird.

Maris

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks everyone for the words but please do not make this a discussion about me. Obviously there are people who disagree with what I say and that is fine. That some seem to take an immense dislike to me there is nothing I can do about it. All I can ask is that people keep on topic and if they have something to say to me, that is what member folders are for.

For myself, I try to address posts and not characterize the posters.

Lovemarc

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"I have never met a Christian "true believer" (like Jason) who does not think that homosexuality is a burden and can be cured."

My memory is being tested, but I believe Jason told Roddy that he wasn't like that. You could be right that he is lying about it. I hope not. I would lose complete respect for him.

Keiffer

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Of course there is hypocracy in people on the board not liking one HG and talking bad about them, and not bad about others. The same thing happened almost everyday with Chiara. The same thing is happening now with Roddy. Heck after Danny almost played Amy last week she even started to get some bashing.

All I am saying Hose is that in the rush to defend or argue in support of a favorite they very often turn a blind eye towards their favorites and only see the faults of their favorites competitors. None of the HG are all bad. Chira had many good qualities even if you couldn't tell that from reading this board. Roddy has many good qualities even if you can't tell from reading the boards.

Maybe if you are a Gerry fan and you are starting hear the tide turn against one of your favorites you can see how it has been for the few couples suppporters out there all season. It is just the way the board works, and all it means is that you have to use logic to defend your guy.

Seamonkey

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know he said Chiara reminded him of his daughter, but I think he also said it about someone earlier too.

The shower scene.. this is a house with 12 (and dwindling numbers) people sharing one bathroom. When someone is inside the shower with the door closed and isn't that person's partner (as with Chiara/Roddy or Eric/Lisa) and hasn't been invited in, I cannot think of any reason (country clubs, healthclubs, locker rooms included) to walk over, stick your head inside and look down towards someone's genitals.

(I'm not defending any bashing, but I don't see where what Gerry did was not intrusive).


OH.. and looking way up at the title of the thread, well, I don't think sad is the operative word anymore regarding Gerry.

Theo17

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
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Theo17

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont think you can lump people in by categorys. Stereotypes are bound to be false often. I can see jason being a christian and accepting of others just like christ was accepting of others that society shoved away.
I do like gerry compared to marcy but I understand why marcy would feel weird with him around. Gerry has treated marcy very very strangly (race wise and sexualy) and marcy has treated gerry disgustingly. I guess their relationship is the chicken and the egg. Which came first.

Seamonkey

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know he said Chiara reminded him of his daughter, but I think he also said it about someone earlier too.

The shower scene.. this is a house with 12 (and dwindling numbers) people sharing one bathroom. When someone is inside the shower with the door closed and isn't that person's partner (as with Chiara/Roddy or Eric/Lisa) and hasn't been invited in, I cannot think of any reason (country clubs, healthclubs, locker rooms included) to walk over, stick your head inside and look down towards someone's genitals.

(I'm not defending any bashing, but I don't see where what Gerry did was not intrusive).


OH.. and looking way up at the title of the thread, well, I don't think sad is the operative word anymore regarding Gerry. Oh, and he isn't quieter than usual either, anymore.

Trillian

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"People under thirty have zero respect or tolerance for anyone older than them."

Isn't that the sort of blanket prejudgement you're accusing people under thirty of committing?

Nimtu

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey- Gerry did say that about Amy in his speech for her eviction - you were right:) (wonder if that means his daughter is a combination of Chiara and Amy..interesting!)

Trillian

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe he sees all women of a certain age as like his daughter in that they remind him of her and make him miss her. If he sees the BB house as a family (in addition to a chess game), agewise he'd be the dad, and -all- the younger women his daughters.

Still, one thing about the daughter comparison that bothers me - if Chiara reminds him of his daughter, why was he staring and smiling while she talked about her threesomes, etc. that drunken night?

Maesin

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Loppes
RE: Your post earlier in this thread at Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:43 am

Did you take into consideration that maybe he meant *personality* and not looks? Or better yet, maybe he just said it to help with his votes if he makes it until the end.

I usually do not read threads like this. The only reason I looked was because someone in my family directed me to your post, as they knew I would have issues with the subject matter. I had every intention of keeping my fingers tied and not even giving this post a second thought. Unfortunately, I am still in awe over the insensitivity displayed here.

In terms of BB3, Gerry is fair game, but the inconsideration towards his family is beyond my comprehension. I am sorry I made it to this thread, I am sorry I became emotionally involved for a brief moment, and I am sorry if anyone feels I have wasted their time by posting my opinion.

<Back to the Zen thread I go, if I can find it.>

Loppes

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maesin,
No where in my post about the comparison between Chiara and Gerry's daughter, did I make any reference to the difference in the two woman's sizes. You jumped the gun assuming thats what I meant. I asked in terms of personalities thinking I missed something. Your family member who directed to straight to my post made a mistake. I was not being insensitive. Maybe it would have been better if you posted first and asked if I meant their weight.
Lon

Loppes

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thinking after my last post. I don't remember any time posting that I don't like Gerry. I don't have a problem with him, like I do with Dani and her thought she should win and no one else deserves it more.
Lon

Earthmother

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 06:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry said what was in his heart, so therefore he is a bigot? He has never said vile, inhumane things to or about anyone in that house. If anyone chooses to close their eyes and pretend Marc demeaning to the point of violence is earned by Gerry who has done no more than try to befriend him then so be it. Gerry may be going about it in the wrong way but that is no excuse for the nasty, cruel way he is being demoralized.

It scares me that some think there are no limits to what you can do or say to someone just because you don't like them. In this world society has set limits as to just how far you can go without becoming inhuman. This house has had it's fair share of people this year who don't know what limits are and some posters have forgotten it as well.

Maris

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Perhaps one should not assume that a person's criticism of Gerry and his actions necessarily means that one approves of Marcellas actions.

Gerry does not walk on water, is just as guilty of lying and deception as the other HGs. He has not demonstrated some higher level of behavior and this is substantiated by his statements and comments about the other HGs in the last 48 hours.

I think it is a safe bet that the soundbite for this weeks tv show will be Gerry complaining that Marcellas gave Amy a kiss and not him Gerry crying after Marcellas that he was cruel and cheating on him. Gerry knows exactly how Marcellas feels about him and yet he goads him and goads him. Gerry is looking for a confrontation and is doing everything he can to get one this week.

When people cry about how he is portrayed on TV remember he is the one who gave them the tape.

Earthmother

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 07:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe he expected to be in a house with people who would behave in a humane way..stupid him.

Deb

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, I agree....its a game and everyone will and should lie and deceive the other houseguests....its just a matter of how you do it that upsets and riles people. Some can do it with class and dignity and others take the low road. IMO...Gerry has lied with dignity and within the context of the game. Why should he not try to stay in the house...should he not play the game and just sit back and wait to be booted...that would just be silly and stupid on his part.

Maris

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Deb. It is all a matter of what is acceptable and excusable. For me, going around to as many HGs as you can and say that Marcellas has issues and cannot accept being gay is offensive. Saying that Marcellas feels he carries a burden because he is gay and black is also offensive. His going around making comments about Amy's parents and the resulting issues is also not the high road either. None of these points have anything to do with why these HGs are threats and should be evicted. My point was not to defend Marcellas actions but to say take Gerry off the pedastal. He can be equally offensive.

As much as people do not understand how Marcellas can say the things he does, I cannot understand the blind defense of Gerry and his comments.

Earthmother

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We know you can't...you've made that quite clear.

Chance

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it is a safe bet that the soundbite for this weeks tv show will be Gerry complaining that Marcellas gave Amy a kiss and not him Gerry crying after Marcellas that he was cruel and cheating on him. Gerry knows exactly how Marcellas feels about him and yet he goads him and goads him. Gerry is looking for a confrontation and is doing everything he can to get one this week. <---- from Maris
I sometimes find it hard to believe we are watching the same show.
you quoted when M said that G hated him...as tho this is the gospel...Its called projection. M projects his hate feelings onto G. M told G REPEATEDLY a few weeks ago that it was G&M till the end. He never took it back to G. He also told G that He (M) would be bad mouthing G to conceal their alliance.
Where you get this Gerry is goading M to have a confrontation is beyond me. G has NOT BEEN CONFRONTATIONAL with anyone EVER even Josh who called him a Nazi.

Chance

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother, I agree with your posts....nice job ;-)

Bmh

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol the hg's were speculated that Gerry didn't sleep in his bed again..and he was in the storage room all night..aww the poor thing..I dont even like the guy and I feel bad..I think he is taking this a little to hard though