At this point, shouldn't Roddy and Dani team up?
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Rose_City

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Greetings to all,

I've been lurking since BB1 and just ADORE this board, with thanks to you all for your wit and sense of fun. Reading this board is often like stepping back in time and visiting the Algonquin Round Table.

I was wondering what you all thought about this: Dani and Roddy still appear to be the most overt plotters and planners in the house. For good reason, they're each other's nemesis. So, wouldn't it make strategic sense, at this point of the game, for the two of them to join forces? Since both yield such great influence, they could pick off the others and wind up as the final two. (I'm not saying I want this to happen, I'm just wondering if they should consider becoming allies, if they truly want the money.)

What do you all think?

Secretsmile

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG! You have a devious mind! I love it! All promises thrown out the door!

Earthmother

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nicole and Hardy...

Earthmother

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I mean Nicole and Will..and Jason will become their Monica.

Beagle

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tell you the truth Rose_City, I've run that possibility through my brain a few times. It stands to reason they will hook up sooner or later. If either of them hope to win this game, it's almost the only thing they can do. Unless of course the "third twist" plays a major roll and starts everyone out on an even playing field.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see that as likely. Dani has nearly turned herself into a pretzel trying to keep her 'word' to everyone. I think she will try (to keep her word at all costs). She doesn't do it in a pretty way, but I do think she will try. Roddy is not part of that plan.

Seanflynn

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I suggested this last night in another folder.
The best time for Danielle to do this would have been between when Jason one HOH and the nominations were made. However, she was true to her alliance and didn't know that Jason would turn out to be a weak, Roddy-lusting back-stabbing turncoat.
IF she wins POV, she should make a beeline to Roddy and do it then.
The two, if discreet, could make it to finals that way.
It makes sense for both of them.

Rose_City

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmm, you all gave me much to ponder. I agree: They should have considered this earlier when Jason made HOH, as you said, Seanflynn. This is the time in the game they have to rethink alliances to see if they're still advantageous; otherwise they'll get axed quicker than you can say Paul Bunyan (if the other's are thinking clearly enough to dump R & D). I agree, too, that if Dani wins POV--or Roddy wins POV, for that matter--they should bury their egos, join forces and carry each other to the money. Just my penny.

What555456

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have expected such a pairing for some time. There seems to be a competition betewen them, but no real animosity. This would make sense, especially now that Jason has struck out on his own -- as he whad to do at some point anyway.

Oregonfire

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing is that Roddy doesn't need Danielle, but she needs him. It would be an unequal partnership and I could see him shaking her off if it was convenient. Roddy doesn't care who he gets to the final two with, as long as he's there. Given his ability to bounce back so far, I think he would agree to a Dani alliance in name only. The first sign of double dealing, aka Josh, and he would publicly "shame" her and she would be gone.

Ddr1135

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It would all depend on how the final jury vote would come down. Danielle may feel Roddy would be too well liked by some of the evicted houseguests and vice-versa. How would the voting go down between those two?

Seanflynn

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregon
Danielle made need Roddy more than he needs her, but to say that he doesn't need her is a vast overstatement. Nothing in this game is written in stone. There are many scenarios in which Roddy could still need her help. The two of them together -- quiet, behind the scenes -- could dominate the rest of the game.
She is the one person that clearly has him as a target; he could risk that, or they could co-opt each other.
It makes sense to me for them to try.

Lombadier

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What, angelic Danielle pair up with that 'devil' (her own word for him)? Roddy doesn't need her, and I hope he never teams up with her. Then again, if he did, I believe he would win the final vote, and I would just love to see the expression on her face when she loses to that 'devil'.
Seriously, I hope he wins HOH next week and sends her packing.

Oregonfire

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<Shrug> Just how I see it. Roddy may use Danielle while it was convenient, but that's about it as near as I can tell. Anyone who gets too close to Roddy has a habit of dissappearing pretty fast. I think Roddy and Dani are better of as wary opponents. So far, she's the only true anti-Roddite and I like it that way. (okay Lisa is a covert anti-Roddite but not public) JMO.

Keiffer

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was thinking how brilliant it would have been had Danny and Roddy teamed up right around the time of Marcy's HoH. She would be able to conttrol half the house with the "get the couples" things, and he could have teamed up with the couples to get the rest out.... from working inside the two different camps they could have shared lots of info, and set up several situations to save each other.

Of course neither would be very much liked in the final two if they both didn't make it.

I still don't see Roddy as being in that good a spot right now. His entire support staff is gone, and he has no close in with anyone left. Seems to me unless he wins HoH next week he is probably going.


PS: What is so funny about all this it that it is Danny that has Marcy, Lisa, and Amy convinced he is the strongest player and "their" biggest threat, while in truth she is "their" biggest threat.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What I'd like to see is the house getting together and discovering that Roddy has a "deal" or semi-alliance with each and every one of them. Then we can have the Josh-esque show down except Roddy would be on the receiving end. This I would pay to see.

It would have to be a mass confrontation though....Roddy is too good with his mind meld in one-on-one dialogs. The more I think about this the better I like it. I'd like to see Roddy try to dance his way out of this one since he was the one who essentially "pants-ed" Josh publicly.

Dani may be sly as a snake but to deal with Roddy with any kind of confidence she would need to be a snake charmer.

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She knows she would look pathetic. Actually she already does and she knows it. She told Jason last night she was scared and he said don't worry he would talk to Roddy. She thinks that Roddy is the only one that will put her up. Thats all she's worried about right now. Not about the finals. She just wants to get there. She isn't paying attention at all. She lost focus big time last week and sealed her own fate and luck is the only thing left for this woman. Lisas HAS to get the next hoh or Dani is gone. Marcellus won't even be able to save her if he gets hoh next week unless he doesn't play Roddys integrity game anymore.

We know something she doesn't as viewers. Roddy won't be trying for hoh to avoid having to pick someone for nominations because at this point he might have to break a deal with at least one of the remaining. This is the area that he has them all cornered. They are scared he is going to get hoh and nominate them. He is loving it! He will never try for it and they will all nominate one another as long as he reminds them about integrity and the deals and promises they have made with specifically him.

She will probably promise the man something and he will of coarse take that promise. Little does she know that someone else will put her up and boot her without him having to do it. She blew it last week. It's gonna take pure luck ( not roddy) to keep her in the game. Her pride will be out the door the second she is forced to make some ridiculous deal with him. Does she want 50,000 that much? I think she does cause once she makes a deal with him she knows thats all she will be getting. I think it's sad too watch it all happen knowing that they could still get the guy out and no one will hold it against them. It's just a game but he has made them think this is real life. The only person left in the game that keeps pointing this aspect out about Roddy is Lisa. She said it last night when he was slopping it on thick to her about integrity and that everyone should like him so therefore he should stay in the house and she said... "Roddy, it's just a game. If you get booted that doesn't mean you aren't liked" I'm really pulling for Lisa. She gets him and thats a good thing.

Oregonfire

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What did Roddy say to that, C1mag? Did he continue to needle her or shut his trap? (an unlikely scenario, but one can hope.)

Allietex

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just had a horrible thought. The other day on the live read posts, one of the posters said they could not hear the conversation because the hgs were washing dishes and the water was running. How many times in the movies have you seen the characters turn on the water tap so the "bugs" couldn't hear? What if Dani and Roddy have a secret alliance that was formed with running water as a cover-up? That would explain why Dani has saved his when he was on the line. Oh I know. The idea is crazy but what if.....

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It went over his head and he just kept saying he was an honest guy and didn't understand why anyone would want him out. She did point out what he did to her with the Eric boot and he said that wasn't his fault that was Josh's. She finally changed the subject and told Dani that Roddy really thinks he is a good guy and therefore should be allowed into the finals based on that theory. Then Dani said that is why he is dangerous. He really does believe his own words. Lisa agreed. Lisa said she liked him but knew he had to go.

Onlymytulips

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I personally think that Roddy needs Danielle more than she needs him at this point. All of his "buddies" have left the game! He is pulling at straws....even going against his own strategy plans of operation revolving door....and smoozing Amy. Hopefully, Roddy will be out of the game soon, so this will not even be a concern. I will flat out die if they join arms.

Oregonfire

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, C1mag! Appreciate the update.

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy has no need to give anything to Dani because he already has her unable to nominate him from that early (unwise) promise she gave him (don't nominate me now and I'll never nominate you). It wasn't reciprocal, was it? Why does he need to ally with her now?

Tortie2k

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Speaking of Roddy throwing all future HOH comps:

Other than the first HOH that Lisa won, have there ever been any HOH comps (BB3 and before), where one could not throw it? Where chance came into play?

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Megg exactly! She has spent waaay too much time worrying about him and what he might do if he gets hoh. She doesn't realize there are others playing the game as well. She hasn't even put it together that he is throwing the hoh contests and will continue to do so. This last hoh was totally structured for him to win and he blew it on the first question. Every single question Julie asked was from one of his closer buddys in the house. He's got Dani scared about getting nominated by him and yet he isn't gonna do it. Amy or Marcellus will do it for him. She isn't paying attention at all. At this point she doesn't even need to make a deal with him.

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tortie the only way to force someone not to throw the hoh is to draw their name out of a hat and tell them they are hoh for the week. Now that would be too funny!

Keiffer

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C!mag, I thought the same thing. Roddy was the closest to most all of the evicted HG's that have left because they were his friends. WHen they started I thought... wow a complete set up for Roddy to win. I'm not 100% sure he threw it though because so many people did miss that first question. In my view though ne needs a HoH so that he can make another deal like he did with Gerry the last time he was HoH. After all it was that deal that has Eric out right now, and him in, because Gerry was putting up a couple, and because of that deal it was Eric and LIsa. I think because Roddy is assumed the biggest threat by all the HG he needs some protection.... I just wonder who he would make a deal with to keep them off the block.

Rose_City

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting that Roddy possibly can get through the rest of this competition by not being concerned about winning HOH and by letting others do his dirty work. Who knows if he intentionally threw that last HOH competition of not, but it did looked that way. Frankly, I'm with Keiffer here because even if Roddy coasts for a spell, and comfortably watches the others take turns twisting knives in each other, there might come a point where all his duplicity will bite him in the gazingazoink, if he doesn't have a solid, sincere alliance with another strong figure in the house. As masterful as he appears, screwing with people's heads, he can lull himself into a sense of false security and get the boot. Just a thought...

Spunky

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 12:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I read somewhere else that Dani promised not to nominate Roddy if she's HOH. Wouldn't that promise got her something in return, meaning Roddy won't nominate her either???

The idea that she won't nominate Roddy seemed strange to me after all the campaigning against him. But who knows? Maybe these two do have an agreement.

Rose_City

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing is, we're getting to the point of the game now, due to decreasing houseguest numbers, that many promises will fly out the window. Deals will be broken and remade. We all might be surprised to see unexpected backstabbing and strange alliances in the next few weeks. Am I way off here?

Marameko

Monday, August 26, 2002 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Onlytulips, I agree with you wholeheartedly.......I just cannot imagine D teaming up with R.The thought leaves a bad taste in my mouth.He has no allies, he is a man alone.... Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
GO DANI GO DANI GO DANI