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Twiggyish

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What, the difference here is this.. Your son did not intentionally seduce his girlfriend to influence her, whereas, I think Roddy targeted her.
Good luck with your son, I'm sure he'll do the right thing.

Wcv63

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've always respected a man more if he came right out and said what is on his mind rather than tip toeing through it, around it, over it and under it. Just say it dammit. Give the reasons and give the outcome. Don't make her guess. That is the cowards' way and leaves the woman wondering what *she* did wrong. Oh. And don't even try the "It's not you, it's me" route.

It's been fun, I've enjoyed our time together, I just don't see a future for us...we're way too different, have different goals, different lifestyles, different expectations, different personalities. I'd love to be friends but understand if you don't feel the same.

Easy.

Zachsmom

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess..if the man didn't care about her..it wouldn't be a slow withdrawal..they wouldn't say anything..when a man does the slow withdrawal..it means he does care..painful yes..been there done that..women are no better..and there is no victim..

Oregonfire

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What we have to remember is this is not a normal "breaking up" situation. They still have to play the game. Chiara may realize what's going on, but what is she supposed to do? Signal to the internet viewers in her secret code that she gets it? I don't care if she's perceived as trash. The woman has feelings.

Twiggyish

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Oregon! She doesn't deserve it.

What555456

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Very insightfull of you What. If men just realized how damn painful that slow withdrawal really is to their victim. :-( "

I agree Goddess. But we really do not understand a woman's feelings. We just don't. We try, but it alludes us.

At the same time, if women would understand how much a man panics when they push to fast. Men see marriage very differently than women. For many women, it is the culmination of what they seek. For men, it is the beginning of a lifetime of having to support someone else, always be strong for someone else, succeed in our career even if we don't like it -- and likely with children no less.

If we truly love the woman, we not only are willing to do this, but we want to and find great satisfaction in it. But if we do not truly love her, if it is simply infatuation and feel the woman is making more of it than it really is, we panic.

Then we screw up the way we break it off.

Onlymytulips

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think even if Chaira does know that
roddy is dumping her....she would be wise to keep following him around. Otherwise, the boy will be doing some deals with other members. Gerry said it well....keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.

Wendo

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy is done with Chiara. She serves him no more purpose in the house anymore. Of course he's dumping her, I think most of us expected this after just the first week or two of them being together.

However, this could REALLY hurt him with the final jury, especially the women on the jury. If he takes Gerry to the end (which I believe is his intention), the jury will be heavy women, which does not play into his favor.

This could be a tactical error...

Avery

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Is it possible that this "terrible, horrible, human being you describe actually in the beginning really did like her, and thought there was going to be something there? Is it not then possible that he realized that she was not the one for him, but made a choice to not dump her on national television? Is it possible that now that it is clear that one of them is leaving this week, he is trying to make sure that happens with out baggage and embarrassment? He clearly knows that if he is the one to go he is not going to go on every interview professing his love for her, and he wants to make sure that she does not do the same. Maybe he is trying the best way he knows how to make sure she doesn't embarrass herself if she is the one that goes first, because he knows that if he goes later that he will not be singing the same tune as her. Regardless of his/her flaws, I think the possiblity clearly exists that he doesn't wish for her to be embarrassed and hurt. How terrible would it have been if he lied and said he was going to do all of those things and she was out there doing it and he came out and didn't do the same. I don't think he wants to hurt her and I think that it was much harder to be as honest as he can with out directly causing a conflict and be upfront with her than to lie about it.

Gidget

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
can we all spell s*t*a*l*k*e*r. i'm thinking chiara has seen the "package". once outside she is going to be determined to get "some". and roddy is a <> but i don't think he's dumb enough to risk <>. keep in mind nyc/morristown is a 45 minute train ride.
007

Twiggyish

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Avery, because you wrote that, I will consider that Roddy MAY have actually been sincere. If that is the case, he needs to be honest with her.
On the other hand, I don't think Roddy has ever stopped playing the game. Chiara even admitted she wasn't using any strategies. Also, consider the conversations he had early on with the "guys".
They were going to boot the women. That doesn't sound like a man wanting a long term relationship.

What555456

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"They were going to boot the women. That doesn't sound like a man wanting a long term relationship."

But Twiggy, did he ever promise anything more? Or did she just assume there was more. Kind of the "If he has done that with me, he must love me" reaction too many women have.

Mizinvancouver

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you Twiggish 100%!!!

Avery

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think for a very long time he has known that Chiara was a mistake. But, I think that he has tried hard to not hurt her. We can all sit around and discuss how a guy should handle the break up with a girl, but we are forgetting two huge key factors, 1. it is on national television 2. the outcome could affect you getting 500,000. Gimme a break with your rules of a perfect breakup this is far from a reality situation.

Wcv63

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What...I understand that this may a gender perception thing....but that is known as "playing with someone's affections." If he didn't want anything other than a flirtation he should have let her know from the outset.

Goddessatlaw

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whatever his motivation, I think what's going to happen is Chiara is going to marinate in the conversation they just had until it all of a sudden soaks in what he actually just said to her. Then all hell's going to break loose, because she's getting (likely) booted from the game and booted by her perceived boyfriend, all served up as a nationally televised humiliationfest. She's going to blow.

Sheila494

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
roddy is so not interested in chiara..i dont think he would date a whorish girl like her..hes way too intelligent..and she is way too naughty.

Twiggyish

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy as usual, is going to be condescending, because he thinks no one will boot him. Next, he'll have a house meeting to make poor Chiara feel better about herself.

Duchess

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy knew from the get go that Chiara wasn't his type but he saw her vulnerability and exploited it accordingly until the end was inevitable to everyone. It's still shocking to watch him go about it cold bloodedly . If there were no women like Chiara, there wouldn't be predator-like guys as Roddy.

Often a person's character is defined by the amount of consideration for the other person's feelings in the ending of a relationship.

Twiggyish

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point Duchess. Wasn't Roddy the one to explain his rules of relationships to Chiara? If I remember correctly, he told HER what HE expected. (outside the house)

Snee

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
goddess, i completely agree. i feel bad for chiara. she is not my favourite player, but she is a person and i worry about this double rejection.

avery, i remember roddy saying he had a crush on chiara. 'who wouldn't?' he said. i believe he genuinely liked her, and got on that runaway spooning-in-bed train. then it looked to me like he used her feelings to manipulate her, but i don't think he meant it to hurt her. unfortunately, she was more infatuated than he was and...here we are.

okay, did i just contradict myself?

shorthand:
he liked her
she liked him more
he manipulated her
he didn't intend to hurt her (despite manipulation)
hurt's a comin'

here's the thing: did he manipulate her? and, if he did, how could he have possibly thought that wouldn't hurt her?

Bkmac

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As a woman, men like Roddy who take advantage of a woman's weakness irritate me. Women like Chiara irritate me more though- she handed it to him on a silver platter, and kept a smug smile on her face while doing so. I don't feel sorry for her, but I do feel kinda embarassed for her for not realizing she's been dropped.

Angelbleu

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Isn't this the same day she told Lisa that she didn't care if she left the game now because she would have Roddy on the outside...

Avery

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did he manipulate her into liking him for the sole purpose of the game? I do not think that is even remotely the case. Has he used their relationship/friendship to help his cause? My answer to that is him along with over half the house.

Spree17

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
before we feel too sorry for kiki look at this. LOL

Before Chiara went to DR she was talking about when she broke up with Ash she started dating a guy and Dani interrupted her right there and said do you date poor guys and Chiara said no and roddy who was standing in front of them turned around and said ok bye. (implying he was poor)