Roddy's secret strategy
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Kristylovesbb

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 06:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Could it be that Roddy's strategy is to preach the moral issues constantly, remind them when their words and promises were broken and how less he thinks of them for it and in the end he, himself intends to brake promises and Lie to win the game? Think about it.

Sassylady

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kristy:If he can talk about and blame things on a woman who he slept with for 48 days and fault her for asking people to vote her out in order for him to stay..he is capable of doing anything.

Interesting theory :0)

Cameltoes

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think that is his only strategy but it's part of it. He's been doing it from the very beginning. I remember a conversation where he told Eric that even though it probably wasn't in Eric's best interest to be in the F2 with him, Eric had no choice because of his word and how bad he would look to the jury.

Bomom

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But in the end, if he goes before the jury, aren't all of those promises he made to people going to come back to haunt him?

Cameltoes

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy is a svengali. He will double talk his way out of all of these deals. I would expect nothing less than a unanimous vote for him to win.

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
kristy you hit the nail on the head exactly. To jason he wasnt succeeding so he went to the havent you ever made a mistake line. cant you ever forgive a friend.

Eden

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The ultimate testament to Roddy's power to manipulate is Amy. He flirted with her then dropped her like a piece of garbage when Chiara got jealous. He nominated her with a humiliating speech and organized a unanimous eviction. But, by the time Amy left, she was actually THANKING him for making her a better person. Upon her return to the house, she's done everything she can to protect him. The man is positively scary! Svengali could take lessons from Roddy!

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
eden you are 100% right and now 2 days after amy saved roddy he tells jason to nominate her. can he get any worse? He also seemed to drop her fast after kiki was thrown out.

Sassylady

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eden and Theo I thought the very same thing...and the first person out of his mouth was AMY--to evict. I am sure she would thank him for that too

Marcieb

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Didn't Roddy kind of come up with the Operation: Revolving Door plan and do his best to sell it to every HG there? I think he really had to propose putting up the returning evictee (although if it was Eric, I doubt if it would have been the first thing out of his mouth).

As someone non-confrontational (like Jason), I have to admire Roddy's debating skills -- despite the fact that they're often presented in monologue form!

Keiffer

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No, I do not think it is Roddy's plan to go through the whole game without back stabbing, ot telling lies to only start doing it when it gets down to the final 3-4 people. I think he believes that Nicole lost last year because she had talked about Will being the devil (sound familiar), and using him as a rally cry all year, and then at the end she choose him instead of Monica to go to the final two.

I think he is going to continue with the week to week alliances at this point so that he doesnt have any commitments the last week that he doesnt want. The hard part for Danny is that she has I'll cover your backs with Jason, Marcy, and Lisa.... that is too many people that expect loyalty. Right now no one except perhaps Jason has any right to expect loyalty from Roddy.

Roddy is going to try winning playing the game upfront without telling lies. Most people on here I would think would be happy if he wins because this would be the strategy used by next years cast.

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What about Marcellas? Roddy made his "Me and you at the end" speach with him too.

What about Gerry? Ditto

Roddy HAS lied. He has lied by passing on information he knew to be untrue to others. He lied to Jason yesterday in that two hour conversation, blatantly. Confronted,two times he said "I don't remember saying that". He denied having alliances with anyone but Dani and that is a LIE. I heard him make alliances myself.

Keiffer dear, time to let go of your Roddy has not lied fantasy! Do you listen 24/7?

I wont deny he is playing his own twisted artful game but it is not without lying.

Wrat1010

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's either his strategy or his ultimate downfall. Kristy I think that if you were facing off against Roddy in the final 2, you'd win my vote based on that, even if you'd backstabbed and lied to me because at least you weren't the world's biggest hypocrite about it like sir Roddy.

Keiffer

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggieprice...

When has Roddy passed on un-true information? Anything in paticular? Remember he may talk about something he thinks is true because another person lied to him, but that does not mean he knew it to be untrue data. So anything in paticular you mean in him passing on untrue info?

Yesterday I heard Roddy at least twice with Jason tell him that him and Chiara were both upset because they thought he had mislead them. That he might have said things in those conversations that he was upset about what Jason did, but in the end both him and Chiara decided they still liked him, and could trust him in the future which is why Chiara didn't put him up when she was HoH.

He doesn't even have an alliance with Danny... she just owes him a non-put up if she gets HoH because of a deal they struck in that one Veto challenge. Everyone else he has had one week deal (including with Jason) which does not put him in an alliance in the typical use of the word, or at least not like the one Jason has with Danny. Everyone that Roddy was close to has been voted out one after the other Eric, Josh, then Chiara. Those were the people he did have an alliance with.

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
keifer I know roddy is 100% honest thats why I know my eyes and ears must be failing me. My eyes and ears saw roddy tell marcy in the hot tub 4 days ago he wants them in the final 2 and asked if marcy was in with him. Then yesterday my eyes and ears told me that roddy told jason hye wants the final 2 to be roddy and jason. Now I know roddy never lies so I'm going for glasses and a hearing aid today.

What555456

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy's strategy works only as long as the others buy into it. If they accept his view of ethics, it is likely because they have never thought their personal ethics through before. They have no way of responding to him, because they are inherently too shallow as people to have developed their own ethical base. They simply accept others.

If they accept his manipulation, he is not to blame if they lose. They are to blame. He is to be admired for seeing how shallow they are as people, for realizing none of them seem to have an ethical compass that puts this game in perspective, for working each one of them on their own terms, for seeing where they have failed to understand this game, and then for using it against them.

So far, the others have allowed this to happen because no one wants to do what needs to be done to win. Roddy does. Dani does. But the rest are more concerned with making friends than with influencing people -- or with playing the game that needs to be played.

I feel sorry for none of them because of what Roddy has done. They all, including the now departed Chiara, deserve what they get from him.

Bbrules4ever

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Svengali
SYLLABICATION: Sven·ga·li

NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. Sven·ga·lis

A person who, with evil intent, tries to persuade another to do what is desired: “a crafty Svengali who lures talented people with grand promises yet gives them little lasting operational authority” (Chris Welles).

ETYMOLOGY: After Svengali, the hypnotist villain in the novel Trilby by George du Maurier

Keiffer

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Theo, I need a hearing aide I suppose too... I heard Roddy tell Jason that Jason should want him in the game because Roddy is a person the Jason can trust. His only point was that he does what he says he will. That at least you can count on him to do that. He never said "hey Jason lets you and me take this thing to the final two". Sorry,, he just didn't make that commitment.

Second him and Marcy also did not agree to make it the final two. They agreeed to help each other, and to play the game together, which I ahve not seen any moves by Roddy to counter. I think Roddy would like Marcy and Jason to be his helpers now that all his have gone. But in neither conversation was some sort of alliance developed with an eye towards making Roddy and that person the final two.

I think that people dislike ROddy so much that they take his words and impose what they think his meanings are by them, and the problem is Roddy lives by words, and is very careful with them. He means his words to be taken litterally... not as a double meaning.

Wendo

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy has tied the hands of the other players by pushing the honesty, trust, and no lying tactic. He is the anit-Will. He knows how Will won this game, so he's trying to ensure no one uses the same tactic. (He said so in his bio.) Until the others play THEIR game and not Roddy's, they will not win.

And, it will be their own fault.

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BRILLIANCE! SHEER BRILLIANCE!

Maryk

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer, I agree with you completely.
I also was hearing the convo between Jason and Roddy. There was no final 2 commitment. In fact, later, Jason spoke to Danni and she asked him if Roddy commited to a final 2 or 3, and he said that there was no such commitment, just to watch each other's back. Danni even suggested to Jason to talk again to Roddy to get a definitive commitment before deciding on nominations. I don't think he got a chance or decided not to.

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No Keiff, being bedridden I have the feeds on ALL the time and Roddy did say to Marcellas "You and me all the way" Just because he didn't say final two- that is semantics.

Roddy gave his WORD to Jason in his last gasp try yesterday. I heard it, and so did everyone else. That was exactly when the tide turned. Jason did not give it back, but that was the first time I heard Roddy use the words MY WORD.

I won't get into a constant argument about this. I do not need to. I have heard him lie. I do not need to prove anything to you, and do not think I could as you would not let it happen.

It is our differences that make this board so lively! Peace.

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiff what Roddy does is IMPLY he will take them all the way. How can you have EVERYBODYS back if it can only be two of you in the end? Some one has been lied to in this game by Roddy. However, his pathetic out will be that he never PROMISED them anything about the end. Just that he HOPED it would be them with him. It's nothing but a headgame he plays on all of them and like fools they fall for it and give their word which is all he needs to play the integrity card. Has he promised he wouldn't lie? I don't recall that promise from him at all and he will probably point that out as well. It will be up to them to say, " I've decided to play the game based on the rules when the game was created and not yours" until then he has them all in a corner.

Secretsmile

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a thought here...maybe Roddy's strategy is to drone on and on saying so many things that the listener forgots which part of the conversation made them a promise and which part was backtracking, backstabbing, and diverting the blame to others.

Creampuff

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A version of the old, "Dazzle them with BS" trick, right? LOL

Secretsmile

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was just a thought! LOL! I know I forget to pay attention even when I want to, my mind just shuts down and I only remember what he SAYS the final outcome is.

Nimtu

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Come on you knuckleheads! You know your old pal Rod wouldn't be in this game with a strategy. Rod's only true purpose here is to help the other HG's improve themselves and repair any personality flaws they may have and if he can reach and help us on the internet...well he will feel as though his purpose has been served :)

Secretsmile

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG! Rolling here! Thank you for laugh!

Sassylady

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Secretsmile: That is much what Will did--he started a conversation with "Do not believe anything I tell you and would go into a long conversation by which at the end of the friendly conversation the person forgot that he prefaced the convo with: Do Not believe anything I say...

Whereas, the playees are not believing anything the player (Roddy) is saying even when he speaks the truth...this is where they get themselves painted into a corner.
His picture should be next to the word Svengali--he earned it.


Bernie

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm going to preface this with a nod to Eden, because she/he? (sorry, don't know which!) said part of this in another thread, in which I replied.
Roddy does several things: he promises never to nominate anyone, but doesn't say that he won't vote for them. And, except for when he was HOH and got Amy evicted, he doesn't win HOH or POV, despite the fact that he's oh-so-smart, and so, he doesn't make enemies for the vote at the end. That's on top of the fact that he muffles their thinking so much that after they've talked with him, they believe he actually said something significant.
Boy, he's good! I dislike him intensely for his manipulative ways, but I can actually see him being given the vote at the end, just like Will, because at the end, everyone else will have to admit that he played the game the best.
And that pisses me off-excuse my French, LOL!

Allietex

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Suggestion to BB for next year. Provide the hgs with a diary (with a lock and key) so they can write down all the promises, alliances, pacts, half promises, implications, etc. That way they can go back and see if they really did promise anything or anyone promise them anything. No, on second thought they all need mini tape recorders so they have the person's actual words. No, that won't do; they need video recorders. Oh well...