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Woodpecke®

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think she has a right to be there because she won a competition to return. If I was in that house, any person that was already evicted would be evicted again as soon as possible. I can't stand Marcellus, and I like Amy. I would feel the same way if any of them returned.

Jimmer

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood (is that too familiar?), I think what confused me was your comment that it was “okay” to lie to Amy as she shouldn’t even be there.

Bbholden

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Let me help you "sista". I am also black, over forty, ok... waaay over 40 and acting out, or acting ghetto is one of the lowest forms of self mockery we as African Americans can do to one another.

If you are ghetto in your home and lifestyle, then ok... be ghetto, and be proud. If you put ghetto under the rug and drag it out only to put on a show for "white folks" then you are insulting our race. It is the same as Amos and Andy or black face.

It is the same as when an American Indian puts on a fake headdress and pretends "How" is part of his language. Or that "firewater" can buy anything.

We have left the past and have entered the future. Stereotypical behavior, over acting, falling into ghetto slang just for show... we have come beyond that. I'm not Aunt Jemima (although I wish I had her money) and I'm not Weezy on the Jeffersons. I'm a working mother, black and proud and I don't allow my children to snap their fingers and get into people's faces and I don't like when my "african" heritage, or my stuggle for equality in this country, is degraded by one of my own.

I have made use of the educational opportunities given to me by this great country, and I see no need to pretend to "axe" a question that I can "ask".
JMHO

Sorry for being emotional, but my husband spends his days and plenty of his nights placing uneducated black Americans in programs to help them further their education and to give us all a brigher future. </rant> rofl

Bbholden

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Besides, Dani does not DO ghetto well enough to make it more than just a poor mockery. Sometimes having a big "arse" is just that, having a big "arse" and using it to make a fool of oneself.

Lombadier

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm hoping Chiara leaves this week, and Danielle next week. Once those two are gone, I'll be satisfied with any of the remaining HGs winning.

Draco

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What is the latest on the votes of Gerry and Jason this week? Has anyone heard them reveal their votes? This is a really interesting week. I really hope Chiara goes! Keeping my fingers crossed....

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why does Amy think that HOH gives her the right to determine who is evicted? Sorry, but strongarming people into voting just isn't one of the perks of the position. She is able to nominate 2 people. Who is evicted should be left up to the individual hg to decide.

I think it's the height of arrogance to try to determine the outcome by controlling the votes. I also think getting upset and causing a scene because people aren't caving into your demands is immature.

I hope D/J/L stand firm on this.

Sassylady

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
::::::::::banging head on keyboard::::::::::::::

Bailey

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bbholden... great post!
Lombadier... ditto!

Scootersmom

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Can anyone please tell me when exactly that Dani gave her word to Amy? I think I might've missed that. I read a post earlier where someone said that Dani gave her word to Amy that she had 3 votes. Did she say who the votes were for?

Did Dani do her usual "I'll do the right thing" and kiss her on the cheek? Or is this just Amy saying Dani gave her word? Is Amy just thinking that Dani gave her word because that is what she heard or that is what she wanted to hear?

I don't see this anywhere in the LF's please let me know because I would like to read that.

Thanks in advance

Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw it, Scootersmom, the other night on the live feeds. Dani gave her word to Amy straight out and it was a dumb move on her part. She will most definitely be breaking her word if she votes out Roddy. I think she said Chiara would go for sure, implying that she had the votes. At this point, Dani needs to decide what's more important--keeping her word or surviving in the game. There's no two ways about it.

Bailey

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
WCV.. the only reason Roddy is even up for eviction is because Dani strongarmed Amy into nominating him and then guaranteeing Amy they had the votes to evict Chiara. I think this was one of the most ugliest manipulative moves that has been made all season.

Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the original agreement in the HOH slime tub was that Dani and her cohorts would get out of the tub if Amy nominated Roddy and Chiara. At that point, Dani had not promised to evict one over the other. Marcellas and Amy talked about this last night, so I know it's for real.

Jimmer

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bbholden, What an awesome post. Now I feel that I understand what you mean.

Bbholden

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Jimmer... I appreciate your kind words.

Sushigirl

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Scooter, I saw Dani on HOH bed holding Amy's hands and giving her word that she would vote to evict Chiara.

Ginger1218

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bbholden, I think your post was great. Unfortunately too much of that happens in this world, and not just on TV shows, and with many different ethnicities. It is a shame. Dani just uses what she thinks she needs to do to manipulate. If she had to start talking yiddish, she would probably do that too. LOL

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bailey there was no strongarming. Strongarming is telling someone that if they don't vote or nominate the way you want them to they will be put on the block as soon as possible. It's saying that should you not vote the way I tell you then you are a target. It's a threat.

Dani did not threaten Amy nor did she insinuate that anyone would target her if she did not nominate Roddy. She merely suggested, nudged and persuaded. No threats were used. Logic was presented and Amy was left to make her own decision.

That said, Amy knew what was being asked of her when she was handed HOH by the others. They didn't make her promise but she did agree with the game plan. If Amy can flip flop on strategy so can everyone else.

This is a game where lying and manipulating are part of the equation. The trick is not to get caught or to have a really good excuse if you do.

Maris

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani gave her word when amy Agreed to put Roddy up. Amy did not want to put Roddy up. She wanted to put Chiara and anybody else up. Dani wanted Roddy up because it was her plan all along to vote Roddy out. She figured she had to first get Roddon on the block. So she promised amy she would deliver three votes to evict Chiara if Amy agreed to put Roddy up. Amy said she would but that Dani better not screw her. Dani said "You have got my word". As soon as Amy put chiara and Roddy up, Dani and Jason discussed evicting Roddy and that they would tell people AFTER the power of veto meeting to make sure Roddy was on the block.

Dani tried to talk to Amy about voting Roddy out but Amy would not listen to it. Dani gave her I cant go home to my babies without the money and he might prevent me from getting the money. Amy still made her promise to vote out Chiara.

Dani is not giving up. She is going to screw Amy but good and use God as her exucse to break he word. You dont make a deal to save the devil, that is my bet.

Jan

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
but let's not forget that Dani, Jason and Lisa let Amy win HOH because she said she WOULD put Roddy and Chiara up. They did not have to get out of that tub and have said they would not have done so if she hadn't agreed to put those two up.

so she is as much at fault here in the lying dept as Dani is.

Reader234

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 06:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great post Bbholden, thank you for giving me a better perspective than before!

Wc I have always wondered WHY these hamsters are allowing the hoh to determine who goes out, but I get that obviously the hg are "allowing" (for lack of a better word!) the hoh to do the "dirty work"

Maris

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When did amy agree to that? My memory is that when they were in the tub they just told AMy to listen to Marcellas. They didn't have time to tell her who to nominate. I know Lisa told her to listen to Marcellas and Dani told her to listen to Marcellas.

Bladewelder

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bbholden - Ditto what Bailey said!! Absolutely great post.
Lombadier - I'm with you. I want Chiara to go so bad, and Danielle....well there aren't enough words to describe this woman. I've said it before and I'll say it again....everyone should watch their backs with her and don't trust a word she says, let alone promises made. She may look like she's all nice to Jason but...when the timing's right....BAM!!....she'll vote him out in a heartbeat!! I think Roddy, Gerry, and Marcellas in the end would be entertaining. Jason's flying so low under the radar he might as well be grounded.

Floresmama

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There are a couple of problems here as I see it.

D/J/L got out of the tub of goo to pave the way for Amy to win HOH after she indicated that she was going to nom C&R. Amy's falling under Roddy Svengali trance afterwards if what caused Danie to give her "word" to Amy because she was going to put up Jason instead. Danie's concern has always been that the minute Jason got put on the nomination block would be his last week in the house. I think Danie is probably right.

The second problem is as many others here have stated. HOH only has the power to nominate two people they have no power to vote. I didn't like it last week when Chiara strong armed everyone into voting her way and I still don't like it. Just for the record as much as I like Danielle I won't like it if she gets HOH this week and trys the same thing.

Unfortunatedly Marcellas has loose lips and he is also the most wishy washy HG to come along. He is the one that spearheaded the change back to Roddy just the other night. He needs to decide about his own vote and leave everyone else to "vote their heart" just like he said.

Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
From Marcellas and Amy talking, it sounds like she agreed to put up Roddy and Chiara in the HOH tub, but at that time, Dani did not promise a Chiara eviction. I think Marcellas pointed this out to Amy in the late nite convo, and that not everyone wanted gone who she wanted gone. Amy didn't argue with him, so I assumed this scenario to be true.

Dani promised to deliver the three votes to evict Chiara on Sunday night, the night before the POV meeting, and this was the dumb move. I assume that it was to avoid being nominated in case Gerry used the POV. This is where Dani overplayed her game, IMO.

Maris

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Can someone tell me when on the day of the HOH competition Amy agreed to put up Roddy and Chiara? I dont remember that. All I remember is them telling Amy to listen to Marcellas. I dont recall them having any time to talk to her even in the tub of goo.