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Archive through August 21, 2002
What555456 | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:15 am     I suppose this should be under the Amy is Furious thread, but since that has become a discussion of racial issues, I am starting a new one. I see that our dear, sweet Marcellus has again screwed up things and Amy is "furious" about Dani voting to get rid of Roddy. Don;t ya just love it! LOL!!!!! Let's just hope Dani has enough sense to not care if Amy is furious. Amy is acting out of revenge in wanting Chiara gone and wants Roddy to stay simply to get into his pants -- probably to get back at Chiara as well as to prove that she is a desireable woman. After all, right now the only man in the place that will give her any time is gay. She has no other reason for what she is doing. It certainly has nothing to do with trying to win the game. And Marcellus is, quite simply, an a**, who has no idea how to play this game. The man shoots off his mouth to anyone he is with at the time if they just play a little with his emotions. If Dani and the others are smart, Marcellus goes next week. Amy is meaningless in this whole thing -- and will be more meaningless once Roddy and Marcellus are both gone. Let Amy stew in her own arrogant juices of thinking she can dictate who goes while the target of her sexual desires is ousted. Then watch her become sweet as anything to Dani to make sure she is not out the following week -- even working with Dani to rid the house of her lackey, Marcellus. My guess -- this changes nothing. Roddy is still gone. |
Earthmother | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:19 am     Personally, I like the idea of the two alpas going head to head...Let Dani and Roddy have it out. |
Nermal | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:21 am     I hope you're right, What. If Roddy doesn't go, it's will be only hours at most before he finds out about Lisa. Why couldn't Marcellas keep his mouth shut on that too? Roddy will know that Lisa and Danielle have fooled him. He won't like that at all. Marcellas blabs as badly as Amy. |
Secretsmile | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:22 am     I agree Earthmother, to me the funniest senerio right now would be to have Chiara go on Thrusday, Gerry win HOH and put up both Roddy and Dani. Now that would be GREAT TV! LOL |
Crazydog | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:23 am     I agree Earthmother. I'll be disappointed if Roddy goes just because I'd like to see someone, anyone, stand up to Dani and duke it out blow for blow. It's not as exciting because Roddy was at a disadvantage. Keeping Dani and Roddy together creates the most fireworks. And who will Gerry have to discourse to about the constellations? Roddy is the only person Gerry can talk to on an intellectual level. If Roddy goes the house gets a lot more boring. |
Maris | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:23 am     How is it that Amy is arrogant because she made an agreement with people on who to vote out? She isnt the first HOH who did this, every single HOH made agreements with the HGs on who should be voted out. The fact is that in the HOH room Dani told Amy that she would deliver three votes for Chiara if Amy put up Roddy with Chiara. That was the deal Dani made. Later when Dani wanted to go back on the deal Amy reminded her she gave her word. My question is why is it that Dani's word should be sacred to everyone except Amy because Amy didnt pick Roddy to be evicted. Roddy is the biggest threat in that house to Dani and that is it. Dani knows it. The only reason Amy put Roddy up is because Dani agreed to vote out Chiara. That is a deal that was worked out. I dont blame Amy for being ticked off and she is right she was played by Dani. I am surprised that people here dont see that Dani played her all the way down the line. Look at the early morning conversation Dani had with Jason about it. Marcellas told Amy what was going down because he was her ally and he wanted her to know that the vote wasnt going to go the way they had all agreed. |
Battlestar | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:23 am     ----ummmmmm...I believe Danielle told him to tell her. I hope Roddy stays too---the drama will be AWNNNNN. |
Nermal | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:25 am     Ah! I forgot about that, Battlestar. You're right, Danielle did say to tell her that. Thanks for the reminder. |
Cameltoes | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:27 am     Danielle and Marcellas agreed to explain to her after the show on Thursday. |
Ryn | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:29 am     As of right now I want Chiara gone...... of course I may change my mind in an hour. Amy's arm was twisted to get her to nominate Roddy, so I don't blame her one bit for being mad. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:30 am     Everybody is going to see this differently depending on who they are pulling for. I see it as Amy breaking her initial word that she was going to put up R and C if she won HOH. She was then "handed" HOH. She then flipflopped on her decision to nominate Roddy after he went in and hypnotised her with his Svengali-like mind control. Dani lied to Amy (yep she lied but she did not strongarm, totally different concept IMO) in order to get Roddy back up on the block. Amy doesn't get to choose the evicted. That is not within the power of the HOH position. She gets to choose the nominated. Trying to control votes is power tripping. Amy got so distraught because she couldn't secure even 1 vote to preserve her dignity during eviction. She was angry that people were "allowing" Roddy and Chiara to "control" the votes. And yet.... |
Jagger | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:30 am     I agree Mars doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut. Mars and Amy have been fighting, but I do have to say Mars is trying to get the point accross to Amy that Roddy needs to go (his words, not mine, I would rather Roddy stay in there) he just doesn't want to go against Amy because he gave her his word also. Mars does seem to tell all to anyone that will listen, he is turning into the second Josh, only he doesn't have the carisma Josh had. I agree he needs to go soon. |
Pesto | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:35 am     Couple of thoughts on Mars, the new JOSH!... What are some good reasons for Mars to tell Amy about the vote? 1) Amy gets mad at D (and maybe L) 2) He gets points for coming clean with her (A). 3) If R is saved, then Mars can use this info (because it will be because of Mars opening his mouth) effectively keeping a "pact" with R. There are many many bad reasons (e.g., pisses off Dan (L and J) and he becomes a target, could keep Roddy in the game who may take out Mars). To me Mar is just riding that fence, ensuring that he is neither tied to the Roddy or Dan club yet... He must know that at this point in the game he is not one of the insiders (D,J,L) so he has to keep mixing it up. Not that he knows he is doing any of this, but I kind of respect his instincts. The upcoming Dan Amy discussion will be really good. Amy is already mad, so Dani should hold course and toss Rod. |
What555456 | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:37 am     Mars does not want to go against Amy's wishes because he likes her company. Without her, he is really all alone in the house unless he can make an alliance. He has just screwed up any chance of that with the Dani alliance. They now know they cannot trust him -- even to shut up. Just like most of the women, he is making decisions based on emotions, not on how to win. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:38 am     Oh What...you were doing so well and then you had to go and add that inflammatory last sentence.  |
Maris | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:39 am     Marcellas was never in a Dani alliance. All along Dani was playing Marcellas telling him it was going to be just the two of them and she was lying trough her teeth. Dani stopped trusting Marcellas after he won HOH and he would not let her use the POV. and have him keep Josh. Dani doesnt like the fact that she cannot control Marcellas. |
Cameltoes | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:40 am     Yes.. Danielle should realize that Amy is already upset and Marcellas telling Amy before the point which they agreed upon will add further fuel to her belief that he (and possibly Amy) has a deal with Roddy. She might as well get rid of him now but I don't know if she will. We saw how she reacts to direct confrontation about being two faced during her fight with Lori. |
Crazydog | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:42 am     I thought it was pretty clear that Dani, Jason and Marc were in alliance during the Eric/Lisa week. I also thought Dani said something to the effect of how she was replacing Marc with Lisa in her alliance. |
Nermal | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:45 am     I think so too, Crazy. She only replaced Marcellas because he was proving untrustworthy. |
Peaceful | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:46 am     I'm thrilled that Marcellas said something to Amy before the votes take place. I want Chiara out this week. It will be WAY more interesting for Roddy to stay. Who will he flirt with Amy?Lisa?Marcellas?,all three? What will happen between Roddy and Jason ,if Jason is the only vote against Roddy? Who will win the showdown between Danielle and Roddy? If Chiara stays it will be the same boring crap. Her saying nasty things about Amy,trying to be Lisa's new best friend even though they hate each other and watching her flirt with Jason. We have seen the same stuff from Chiara from the start. She's a nasty,annoying,jealous,ignorant person. I'm so sick of watching her and pray she's gone this week. |
Jaysgal | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:47 am     Again, What, the problem with your argument about dictating who leaves the house is that, the voters themselves dictated who was put up for nomination. In this case, Danielle tried hard and succeeded in dictating who Amy would put up. Had she not gotten involved in Amy's selection, then she would have the complete liberty to vote as she wishes. The other mistake in your argument is, Lisa too is playing this game for revenge. Danielle exploited Lisa and Chiara's situation and in fact instigated the whole revenge plan that Lisa has againbst Chiara. Now, not only did Danielle do that, she has made the argument that in order for Lisa to accomplish her revenge against Chiara, she has to get rid of Roddy first. That to me is hypocritical to speak of dictating who people want out. In fact, Danielle spoke on behalf of the whole household about how the house wanted Roddy out. What house? It was only Jason and she that claimed to be sure about getting rid of Roddy. The rest like Lisa were not so sure or did not want to get rid of him urgently or at all. If she is so assured of the entire house wanting Roddy out, then wouldn't she have felt so confident to not "throw" the competition? Wouldn't she winning the competition and putting up Roddy have no repercurssions? P.S. Maris, I would have to disagree with you about all HOH doing that. Marcellas did not engage in such activity. That is why I say that he has a valid point and he lived up to it. I remember Amy insisting on evicting Tonya and sure enough, Josh survived because of Amy's decision. Marcellas would have preferred it the other way. He did indicate his preference to her, but he said she should go with what she wanted, if I rightly recall. |
What555456 | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:49 am     Sorry, WCV -- but with the women in this house, it is true. All except Dani have been making decisions based on emotion, not on strategy. Even Lisa is on a revenge kick right now. I hope Lisa switches to a strategy kick. She is sharp and, I think, could be deadly. Watching her and Dani go head to head would be far more interesting than watching Dani and Roddy go head to head -- or so I think. |
Eden | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:55 am     I think Marcellas sees that if Roddy goes it's D/L/J/C against himself and Amy with Gerry floating in between. If he can maneuver to somehow have Roddy stay he's in a much better position strategically, R/A/M vs D/L/J with Gerry in between. Marcellas thinks that Gerry is controllable. Let's hope Danielle, Lisa and Jason are not distracted by this mayhem and vote Roddy out. Who cares if Amy is mad? She can't win HOH next week. If any of the D/L/J win HOH they should put up Amy and Marcellas and vote Marcellas out. |
Crazydog | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:00 am     Eden, I agree with your observations of ARM v. DLJ. This is a much better position for Marc than having Roddy go now. If Roddy goes now he and Amy are in trouble. But I want Roddy to stay just because it is more interesting to me to have both him and Dani around. It'd make for a good week. I'd love to see what happens between him and Amy once Chiara is gone. I agree with Peaceful that if Chiara stays it will be the same boring things we've been seeing from her. She doesn't play strategically, she is convinced that her "girl power" alliance is true and the game will be predicatible. |
Lurknomore | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:01 am     Yet again I ask myself, where in this year's BB rulebook does it say the HoH gets to put up 2 people then decide which one is going??? That is sooooo old by now. Marcellas, whom I so enjoyed in the beginning, is wearing on my last nerve. I just want to stick a sock in his mouth. What, I really want to make a comment about your women and emotion comment, but since this IS a moderated board and I like said mods, I won't go there beyond saying Dani has been less emotional and more strategic than any player I've seen in that house. |
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