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Canuckgal

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Been lurking here for a couple of years (!) and finally decided to bite the bullet and actually join the fray. You guys are wonderful. Anyhow, I have two urgent questions:
1) What does 'pp' mean? Dying to know this for ages.
2) What time is BB3 on tonight (Saturday Aug. 24) EST/Ontario/Canada time? Hubby says CBS has football from 8:00 pm?!
But the Canadian channel has BB on at 8:00. Hubby thinks its a repeat. I say no way. Julie said something about all BB shows this week being on at 8:00 in the U.S. I am confused! Help. I need my fix tonight. LOL

Lauram

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
WELCOME!!!!
pp= paraphrase

Sorry I can't help you out with your local listings... but I'm confident somebody will...

Silksmoke

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
pp = paraphrase

can't help you with the Canadian TV schedule

but welcome !! I'm kinda a newbie here also (about 2 weeks now). I've been a lurker since BB1.

Mellbell416

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Canuckgal, you can click on this link to check when it will be on your TV: http://tvlistings3.zap2it.com

It should be on at 8PM your time, but the football could delay it. And we ain't seeing no repeats, no times!

Lurknomore

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi Canuck Welcome! Fun place not to lurk trust me :) I would suggest doing what I do when the TV schedule confuses me. Call your local network and ask what time it is going to be shown at. It sure saves a lot of aggravation of finding out it was on earlier and you missed it.

PS Hubby was right, Julie did say that all the shows this week were gonna be on at 8 pm.

Onlymytulips

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek, FOOTBALL?

Not again..., tell me it isn't so! I set the alarm to watch the "live show" this week. I was sooooooooo groggy I only remember bits and pieces of it. That football game was not really a real football game either....pre-season. C'mon CBS.....pull some magic outta your hat for us BB3 fans.



btw......WELCOME CANUCK

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Canuckgal: If you watch Big Brother on CH Hamilton, like I do, then it's on tonight at 8PM, and it isn't a repeat.

http://www.canada.com/hamilton/chtv/tvlistings.asp?startday=08%2F24%2F02&starthour=20&category=&goButton=GO

Go Roddy!

Bernie

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Canuckgal - from another Canuck (Edmonton AB) try -
http://www.tvguidelive.com,

and punch in your area code. It's the Canadian TV Guide, the little fat one that you buy, and lists EST so it's a pretty good site. Hope that all the suggestions help you find the right time!

Lurknomore

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mr. Bozack I couldn't agree more...GO RODDY (Right out the front door!!!!!)

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurknomore: You're going to be sadly disappointed with the outcome of the show then. At least it's going to be a happy ending for me.

Lurknomore

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
we'll see...it ain't over yet. I think even if he makes it to final 2 it isn't a sure thing cause a LOT of folks have seen through him. If he is there with Jason I would bet you your boy isn't walking away with the cash. But still a LOT of time and evictions left. But enjoy your happy thoughts while you can :)

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurknomore: I agree, the biggest mistake ANY of the houseguests could make is to let Jason into the final two with them. That would be a HUGE, HUGE error, as Jason would walk away with all the scratch. That's why he's the biggest threat, not Roddy. I just have the highest confidence in my man Roddy that he'll realize that Jason has to go if he's going to win and eventually use his superior intellect to convince the house that if any of them truly want to win, Jason has got to go...and not for personal reasons, just 'cause he's the biggest threat.

But Roddy'll come through and lower the boom. He hasn't let an opportunity slip by to eliminate the person that stands in his way yet, and it's pretty shrewd of him to not attack or go after Jason too early, as it would probably turn the house against him even quicker than it did. He's got to wait until he's in with only a handful of those who really want to win, and then convince them to eliminate them.

Or do you disagree with this?

Seanflynn

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's on at 8PM EDT (not EST) tonight

Lurknomore

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mr, What I disagree with is there is enough left IN the house for them to choose Roddy over Jason. I think the situation is actually that Jason and Roddy are playing VERY similar games, and if either of them end up there at the end without the other, I would agree that person will probably win. I just think, right now, given who is aligned with whom in the house, the odds of getting Roddy out over Jason is not as good.

Jason took a big gamble not putting up Roddy this week, but if he set himself up to win at the end for this, versus making enemies on the jury.

Bottom line is I think Roddy's manipulations, which he thinks are so clever, have not gone unnoticed. I think they will come back to bite him, whereas Jason (minus a one time perceived slip up of not voting as he was ordered to) has a clean record.

Of the two I think Jason is in the stronger position now. As usual a LOT depends on next weeks HoH. Even the POV might prove important next week. We shall see. But I think this is FAR from a done deal for your boy.

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But do you not agree that, for anyone truly interested in winning the money, it's fairly obvious that Jason is indeed the biggest threat in the house to win it all should he find himself in the finals at the end?

And don't you think that, once that's brought to light by someone with excellent communication and interpersonal skills, that the arguement can be made quite easily that eliminating Jason from the game is in the best interests of anyone that wants to win as the boy can't be beaten in the final round?

And I don't know why everyone thinks Roddy would be so hated by all the evicted house guests. Whenever Roddy targets someone for eviction, he states why they should be the ones to go when he campaigns against them, and it's never for personal reasons. He hasn't slagged anyone for personal reasons in the DR, and if he has on the live feeds, based on what I've read here, it's been minimal at best, which practically everyone in the house has been guilty of, except for Jason. And when he does confront someone, he usually does it to their face directly or even in front of the whole house.

He wasn't a hipocrite with Josh when he confronted him in the backyard, because Josh was foolish enough to agree to not campaign against him. Roddy probably knew that Josh, due to his character, would break this promise, and when he did, he nailed him for it and rightfully so. Josh promised. Brilliant.

When Josh got wind of Danielle's plot against him, he caught Danielle off guard by confronting her directly with the information that he was provided, throwing her on the defensive, and forcing her to not be so aggressive in her campaigning against him, which seems to have kind of worked. He wasn't shady about this, he was open. Brilliant.

And, before I'm reminded of it here, his "attack" against Danielle in front of Lisa about her constant reminders that Danielle is playing the sympathy card heavily and that her and her family NEED the money so much, isn't lying. Marcellas sees through that. And Lisa sounded "somewhat" convinced herself after listening to him talk. Plus, Lisa didn't run immediately to Danielle to share this information with her, as I'm sure her eyes were opened a bit to the truth that Roddy was speaking. After all, if the money was so important to her, why would she throw that initial tree-competition on the first night?????? That's money right there, and nothing to sneeze at, especially if you need it that badly, and possibly more than she stood to win if she ended up getting voted out early, or even if she gets voted out next week. Danielle certainly wants/needs the money, but I think it's also about WINNING as well. Is Roddy really being that unaccurate in his assessment?

So who would hate him when it comes down to the final vote (with the politics being as they are now) if it's Roddy in against anyone OTHER than Jason ('cause I agree that he can't beat Jason).

Gerry: wildcard
Danielle: not Roddy, unless against Marcellas
Amy: Roddy, except against Marcellas
Eric: Roddy, even against Lisa
Chiara: Roddy, especially after his crying the other night, which I believe to be genuine
Jason: Roddy, except against Amy or Danielle
Josh: Roddy
Lori: wildcard
Tonya: wildcard
Marcellas: Roddy, except against Amy
Lisa: maybe Roddy, only to win favour back with Eric, unless Danielle is in on the final two

...but all of this is moot if Jason is in there. That's how I see it (as of today anyway).

Somelight

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I totally agree that Roddy seems to be open in his issuses or problems with other HG. I think only Jason could beat him.

I think many esp. other HGs give too much credit to the theory that Roddy uses others to do his bidding. I think Dani does this and I see how she plants seed of distrust with Amy & Mar (using Amy drinking) Also making Lisa distrust all others like she worked Kiki.

I see Roddy's weakness is "he talks in circles" and is hard to understand because he wnts you to take pieces and see the picture without him putting it all together for you.

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, but the surest way to convince people of your point of view is to get them to come to the realization themselves by providing accurate examples they can't argue with. If Roddy is sucessful at convincing people to go along with his point of view, then ultimately, they understood the point he was trying to get across. Not even Danielle could argue with him when he threw the knowledge of her strategy against him back in her face. She didn't even bother denying it. That shot of those bulging eyes of her's were priceless. You could see the horror on her face.

Bernie

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL! Seanflynn!
Nice to meet a fellow nitpicker :-)
Of course you're quite correct, it's EDT not EST.

Nimue

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mr_Bozack...
you said "the surest way to convince people of your point of view is to get them to come to the realization themselves by providing accurate examples they can't argue with". I agree.

I just want to point out that I think Roddy is also good at convincing people that he has given these "accurate examples" when he actually hasn't.
Yesterday (after he had talked with Roddy) Jason said to Dani that Roddy had told him that Dani had done "something bad" last week, but Jason couldn't remember what it was. Dani even asked a few times what it was, and Jason couldn't remember. I don't remember (correct me if I'm wrong) exactly but I don't think that Roddy actually said specifically what Dani had done.
I also have heard Roddy say a few times something along the lines of.....(PP) I know that they did it...I just can't remember exactly what it was right now....(PP). He actually makes you (I guess I mean me lol) really believe that it happened and it's just slipped his mind. He definitely did this with Jason yesterday.
Whether or not it's on purpose, I don't know, but it really really seems to work on the other HG's - they walk away thinking that he's given them something when he hasn't.
I'm still not sure if I like or dislike Roddy...but after watching him work Jason yesterday my appreciation for his game skills certainly increase.

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nimue: I don't have live feeds, so my information comes from the show and what I read here, as well as BB3online.com. So I wouldn't know about any of these converstaions. I'm reading this for the first time here.

If Roddy said "something bad", he could be referring to Danielle having done "something bad" against him, which she kind of did. She made the fatal mistake of begging Amy to not insist that she vote out Chiara instead of Roddy, because she "wouldn't be able to live with herself (???) if Roddy stayed and she ended up leaving", even if Roddy didn't end up making it to the final two. What kind of dirty gamesmanship is this? I don't know whether Roddy got that info or not, but knowing Amy's mouth, Marcellas got it, and then Roddy got it, and what she said is indeed something bad...a big, fat, desperate lie. I don't buy for one second that if Danielle walks, she "won't be able to live with herself" afterwards. I think she'll be like, "Well, that Roddy sure was a better player than I was. Props to him." I think she'll be able to go on with her life afterwards and she won't sink into a cauldron of depression as her statements could lead others to believe. Pulling that kind of card out of her hat to play falls within the rules of the game I suppose, but it's a dirty card to play, and is in my opinion, somewhat spiteful towards Roddy. If Roddy is able to keep himself in there longer than Danielle, she shouldn't be spiteful towards the guy if he played everything better than he did, and this kind of appealing to people's hearts to help poor ol' me over him, because Roddy isn't deserving to win for whatever reason, is bad. She should be using her mind, not empathy. So I don't think Roddy's lying, and when the other houseguests see this type of behaviour on television when they get out, they'll be even less sympathetic towards Danielle.

And he would be smart not to give all of that info to Jason to run to her with. What this does is one of two things.

It either sets a trap for Danielle to fall into. She get's this info. She's like, "I've done nothing bad." and decides to run to Roddy to confront him on this, like he's lying about her. He then states the evidence she has, and he can say, in front of everybody, "Why wouldn't you be able to live with yourself if I was to go further than you? Why do you have it in for me so much that you would say things like that?" And then she's f****ed.

Alternatively, at the very least, she gets the message that Roddy does have some dirt on her of some kind, and it forces her to stay away from him out of fear that, once again, he will outplay her.

She could start telling people that Roddy is spreading rumors about me, but then once Roddy gets this info, he can confront her in front of the whole house with what he's got, and she's screwed, which is why I think she'll just stay quiet.

What else did she do that was bad? She didn't come up to him to console him when he was put up against Chiara. That also qualifies as bad behavior. This indicated that Danielle has something personal against him.

And she doesn't talk with him one on one very much, while he is totally approachable and a friendly person. She's drawn that line in the sand, not him.

This is part of his strategy, get people to react, and then nail them with the goods he's got on them, effectively destroying their credibility. And his credibility can't be destroyed, because he's been very open with everyone who's talked with him. In reality, his strategy isn't very covert.

That's my take on it all anyway. Thoughts?

Kbig

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
where do the houseguests stay when the
production crew sets up for the food competition or hides things in the house so the houseguests
do not see the items?

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They're told to stay in the house when they're setting up in the backyard, or if they're setting up in the house, they're told to stay in the backyard until they're told they can go back inside. Sometimes, they're told to go to their bedrooms.

Canuckgal

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 06:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To all of you who answered this newbies questions - thank you muchly! But here's another question - How did THIS thread end up being about Batman and Robin... Um... I mean Roddy and Jason???
Hmmmm? ;)

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 06:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I said "Go Roddy" at the end of my first post and Lurknomore added "...right out the door" at the end of her post. She and some others stuck around to talk with me about Roddy's strategy...which was cool...the thread was pretty empty otherwise and that kept it from going off on a lot of other directions and we could just focus on our discussion. I had the best afternoon sitting on my couch talking (or typing) Big Brother.

Whit4you

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Regarding PP ...

I don't know what it means to anyone else here but for me personally.. I paraphrase WHEN .. I was typing word for word what someone HAD been saying and then miss some ... want to make sure that if someone does take what I typed and use eslewhere that they KNOW when it's word for word and when it's being paraphrased.

This to me is important when I think something I'm typing MIGHT be important to someone .. you know like when someones going to use it for or against some house guest or for or against some arguement etc.

If I'm typing something I think is really really trivial like "Lets eat..." as opposed to "Lets eat dinner" I'm not going to type PP if I dont get it verbatum...

BUT

if say Roddy and Jason are talking and I had been typing word for word but didn't get the last sentence word for word and it's really important like he said something to the EFFECT of "I will never vote you out" but I didn't get it word for word then I'll make sure to put (PP)

Hope this makes sense?

If it's even mildly important and I HAD been doing word for word previously then I make a point to do (PP) when I am unable to catch an entire sentence.

Some don't use PP cause their entire post is pp - which is great cause they are able to catch more OTHER stuff that I can't like facial expressions - where they are... what they are wearing and all those goodies that I can't when I'm trying to catch the word for word stuff LOL :)

Anyhow dunno if anyone cares to know this but thought I'd share it just in case lol.

Secretsmile

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I care, and thanks for taking the time to explain. I appreciate the news I get from the live feeds however I get them. I think all live feed posters are doing a wonderful job no matter what the others say!!!

Calgaryperson

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It must be a misprint. Either CBS made a mistake or the CBS station that your cable company carries has a local NFL pre-season game on.
Try this link:
http://www.canada.com/hamilton/chtv/tvlistings.asp?startday=08%2F24%2F02&starthour=20&category=&goButton=GO
It is CH TV Listings, the station that carries Big Brother 3 in Ontario.

Canuckgal

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit4you, & & Mr. Bozak, and the rest of ya... thanks for the heads-up! It really made me nuts for 2 years trying to figure it 'pp' out. Weird thing tho... today I was mulling it over, just before I typed my question... and thought - hmm, could it mean to paraphrase... then I said to myself, nah... it's two words...like 'previous post' or 'whoops, lost the thread had to run to the loo and go peepee'. lol
So, really, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to explain it fully. PP was my biggest BB mystery. NOW I can concentrate on the game. (GRIN)

Mr_Bozack

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What a relief! All this talk about pp makes me have to take a leak.