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Penpoint

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 09:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One possibility is that this suit wasn't Krista's idea but that of the lawyer, Clayton Burgess, who saw a way of getting a little publicity.

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 03:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What I am most shocked at is the amount of women on this site (and on other sites) who are bashing Krista because of this suit, or laughing at her.

If CBS was negligent, Krista should sue and she will win. In a case like this it takes a court to decide.

If someone had held a knife to your throat and said, 'would you hate me if I killed you' (or whatever it was), I think you might sue also.

You don't have to feel threatened to be damaged. She also doesn't have to be 'good', 'likeable' or 'nice'.

Aria

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 03:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ocean, I hate to admit it, but I agree with you.

I was not one of Krista's fans and thought she had some major issues. However, CBS did let Justin into the house with a record and kept him there even after he threatend Kent.

Remember, things that were written right here on this board can be considered damaging to Krista. Many people, including me, bashed her, and her reaction to the whole episode. I can't even begin to imagine how I would feel if those things were said and written about me.

Mygetaway

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 04:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Krista could very well be suffering from Post Traumatic Stress or something similar, but what I wonder is why now? The timing seems off to me. Why a full year later and right before the new show is starting? Why did she (*reportedly*) want to try out for another CBS reality show that would also put a LOT of mental anguish on a person?
I'm all for her getting all the help she needs, but I think this is about more than getting CBS to say they made a mistake..

C1mag

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Since the tone about this subject has gotten more serious today ( I'm sorry but I still am laughing) One has to ask, just what did the show do about the situation? They imediately uprooted him out of the house. Therefore they protected her. Not to mention that she seems to have had amnesia about the whole incident for the entire year. I think this idea sprang from the mind of a crazy lawyer. Her character will come in question if this thing ever gets to court and it's something she probably doesn't want. She will be called a lying, drug addicted alcoholic with nothing but greed on her mind. Her drinking and nytol taking habbits will be called into question and her own words recorded on tape will be her worst enemy. Its best for her to drop the case. CBS would easily win this case and in the process, unless her case is pro B, she is out a hell of a lot of money. I find it laughable because this concept is so after the fact. This is the same messed up woman that admits to taking X, pops over the counter sleeping pills like candy while drinking like a fish and accepts a marriage Proposal from some nut she hardly knows. All while America watchs. Then when evicted from the game she is asked about the "Justin Incident" and she says she likes him and didn't feel threatned and couldn't really recall it and some jury is suppose to believe this left her traumatized? Her safety was never betrayed by BB. When it happened he was gone! Why isn't she going after Justin? He would be the one to go after but I'm guessing he doesn't have the money shes looking for. Does anyone realize how stupid she looks right now? Shes her own worst enemy, and yes I'm still laughing!

Car54

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 04:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I understand what you are saying, but why wait a year to do it, in the week when it will cause the most publicity possible?

I have defended Krista a number of times against people who questioned her motives, motherhood, etc. The timing of the suit, not the suit itself, seems pretty opportunistic( and funny)to me.

You are right, you would be upset, but you probably would not put yourself in the position to have those things said/written about you in the first place.

Going before the cameras for three months 24/7 and how you behave during that time sets you up for having just about anything said about you.
Goes with the territory.

(And Disco, I would be the last person to pick to go to court! I was about the ONLY person reading the board who didn't see anything! I always miss the good stuff! CBS better call Whit to the stand. I have that ol slow dial up and can't get the live feeds at all! )

Keiffer

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 05:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My goodness this is Krista: "This is the same messed up woman that admits to taking X, pops over the counter sleeping pills like candy while drinking like a fish and accepts a marriage Proposal from some nut she hardly knows"?

Seems to me if most people were to list everything bad they had done since turning a teenager we could all be called a number of names too. But lets think back just a second. We have a guy named Justing who had shown violent behavior before(fight with Kent), who CBS should have know had been arrested before. Now he is in a druken state... he takes out a knife... he walks around Krista... he starts talking about doing things to her... he actually walks up to her, and places the knife near her throught... WHERE WERE THE PRODUCERS OR CAMERAMEN RUSHING IN TO GET HIM AWAY FROM HER? There is a reason that a woman who is abused, or raped, or whatever does not have her whole past brought up in court cases.

Because whatever her behavior prior to the event (drinking, pills, or whatever) is not material to the moment. Because she may not have the character that some of you hold as being worthy of anything does not mean that she is allowed to be treated however another person decides. Even for "weaker people" there are rules in how people should be treated.

Mygetaway

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 05:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WHERE WERE THE PRODUCERS OR CAMERAMEN RUSHING IN TO GET HIM AWAY FROM HER?

That could have made the situation worse. I was watching then.
They called him to the DR as soon as they moved away from each other. I think they also called him into the DR after the thing with Kent. Maybe they should have put him in a time out that night. MAYBE they should have stopped them from drinking more and more. I think they were hoping to get catch some sex on camera.

I don't think Krita's character makes her a less sympathetic victim, or that because of who she was it was ok for her to be treated that way. Far from it.

What I am saying is THE TIMING of her suit makes it seem like she's after something more.

Azriel

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 06:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ocean_Islands : What I am most shocked at is the amount of women on this site (and on other sites) who are bashing Krista because of this suit, or laughing at her.


Gee, Ocean, you think us women folk should stick together, huh?

I would have been right behind her if she had filed this suit within a few months of leaving the house. It was totally crazy in that house and I do believe that she might not have realized just how much danger she was in til after she got out and saw the tapes and found out about Justin's past, but...

Timing is everything and it looks to me like Krista is milking her 15 minutes of fame for all she can get.

Keiffer

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm a guy, and for sure not an expert on women, but it has been my experience that women are toughest on other women. It would not shock me that women on the board are tougher on Krista than the guys.

Of course the timing plays into the filling of a suit. The timing occurs for a number of reasons. Perhaps she didn't get diagnosed with a probelm until recent. Maybe she just recently got the money together to pay a retainer to an attorny. Maybe they filled at this time for a better chance to the case assigned to a judge they like better. Maybe they were in talks with CBS to try an get money for therapy for months but never got any, and some type of statute of limitations is coming up. Or maybe she thought that CBS would more likely pay if the filling occured around the time of the BB3. For whatever reason, people file at different times for lots of reasons.

We have to remember that although we get to know the HG's pretty well on the show that lots of things we never hear about happened to each HG before they went on the show, behind the scenes of the show, and the 12 months since we saw them on the show. Don't most people know a person longer than a couple months before they get married? They do that because you can't learn that much about a person in such a short time.

C1mag

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If you don't think "character" plays on a jury you are nuts. In the end the decision will be based largely on character, and her character is questionable durring her time in the house. I too question the timing of the case and still hold strongly to the belief that BB did exactly the right thing at that moment in securring her safety and the rest of the households safety. The bigger issue is why she hasn't filed a case against the man yet? Again as a juror I would have to say it's all about money and based on her character I'd have to question her sincerety. We shall see.

Keiffer

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 07:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1: So a person with what most would consider less character, or a person who has lower morales deserves lesser treatment? OR is that they don't deserve lesser treatment, but if they get treated badly then they should just shut up about it? Sounds like the defense attorny saying "well she was asking for it, getting all drunk, and wearing those skimpy clothes".

C1mag

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And remember this thing will be judged on evidence and the evidence out there shows a young woman laughing while he is doing it and not once saying, "I'm frightened" nor is their any film footage showing her traumatized by the event. However, on tape when asked about the incident she says it didn't bother her and she liked Justin. Now she may "CLAIM" she fealt violated but thats called "Hearsay" and the film footage does not prove trauma at all. It all comes down to evidence vs her word and since her character is questionable to begin with there is no way she could win this case. She's got nothing in her corner based on evidence to prove trauma. Not saying she wasn't but the evidence out there just doesn't support such a claim and I believe the real claim is that she was put in a situation by BB and CBS that put her at possible risk. Again on video it shows them removing him from the house. At the moment of the incient she was laughing. It was very wrong what he did, but CBS and BB did the correct thing. She doesn't have a case and they will destroy her if it goes to court.

Keiffer

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1, you are probably right. From what I know right now I don't see her damages. Of course I haven't seen ALL of her blue room talking. I haven't heard any fact of what happened in themonths since the show. But based only on what we were allowed to see on the show or live feeds, or interviews after I agree with you.

C1mag

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Keiffer, No one is saying she deserved that moment, what people would question is her claim of being traumatized. Up until now give proof somewhere that she verbally said she fealt like a victim of violence. That evidence doesn't exist so the only thing left is to question her motives which comes down to character and in her case her character doesn't look good enough to convince a jury panel that this isn't all a bogus claim for money. The biggest question is why isn't she going after the big mean, knife wielding monster that gave her this alleged trauma that she never mentioned up until now? This is my point. I'm stepping into a judge or jurys position and I can honestly tell you that there isn't enough evidence to support her claims of being traumatized. It's all suspect based on timing and the fact that she is going after the wrong person. It looks like a sideshow and someone seeing dollar signs has conned her into believing she has a case when she doesn't. I'd never give her a cent after seeing and hearing her statements on camera saying she liked the man and saw nothing wrong in what he did vs her new claim that she is now traumatized. I'm sure a lawyer would point out that she hasn't filed one case against Justin. Sorry but she doesn't have a solid case. Was BB wrong for having him on the show because of his past? Show me the rules on that one. I believe Nicole spent time in J hall as a teenager and she was allowed on the show as well so I'm thinking that its acceptable. As for Krista: Too little too late to make another quick buck.

Kappy

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer ~ I can understand playing the devil's advocate on this issue and even defending Krista, especially if you might possibly be a friend of hers. But please do remember that this is an internet message board and everyone is entitled to their opinion, okay? People come here to discuss how they see these people and yes we will all see them differently. That doesn't mean that we can't say what we feel. We all just have to accept that alot of us will vary in our opinions.

Most people I know would never even apply to play a game like this because there isn't enough money in the world to make it worth it. Krista, on the other hand, apparently considered the possibility of winning big money as making just about anything acceptable and that's how she came into the game and played the game. You can't fault other posters here for seeing her the way she came across. Only Krista is responsible for her action and her choices. And frankly, no amount of counseling or therapy is going to work until she accepts that responsibility. To many, she is just trying to yet again place blame elsewhere in order to not accept responsibility for where she is.

I agree that we don't 'know' the HG's just from what we saw but I also think it was pretty obvious to most viewers last year that Krista came INTO the house needing counseling and had needed it for quite awhile. And I can sympathize with that and really do hope that she has gotten it. But to think that Big Brother owes her anything a year later ~ it really does come across as sour grapes as well as opportunistic because she didn't win the big money nor does she have any commercial endorsements like she thought she would nor is she engaged to 'Mr. Hollywood' any longer. It's great that you feel sorry for her but you also have to be realistic that a jury in a courtroom most likely will not be. No matter what their gender.

Zachsmom

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 07:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked Krista last year, I am not ganging up on her nor questioning her character. But I saw the incident and I saw her for a least a month after the incident and I saw NO trama from the event. I just hate when people file frivilous lawsuits. There is no basis for it and is a waste of taxpayers money. I do believe that if Krista is NOW showing signs of psychological damages from the event and went to CBS they would pay for her treatment. What I think Krista wants, or what people are telling her she wants, is more.

C1mag

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 07:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is one last issue I'd like to point out about character being a key. No matter how much we like it or not character will be a part of evidence to consider. It is a given they will thrash her based on the video footage. The sleeping pills, the alcohol, the admittance of substance abuse all set her up. They will simply point out she obviously makes irrational and unhealthy decisions in life. Then they will use that statement of bad choices to point out that as a single mother she left her kid behind to go be on a crazy TV show that closes her off from the rest of the world so she could make a fast buck. Then they will ask based on the above if this woman is capable of doing and saying just about anything for a quick buck which would include filing a bogus case a year later? Based on evidence of recorded questionable character, No footage showing imediate trauma after the incident, the fact she was even on the show ( the key to greed), the fact that not once did she mention being traumatized before, nor has she filed against the person she claims traumatized her, the answer to that question unfortunately is yes she is capable of doing and saying anything for a fast buck and that includes filing a bogus claim for money. Therefore her claims have no merrit because of documented character flaws. Like I said, she'd be a fool to go through with this. Ok I'm off my soap box. I wish someone would tell her to hold off on this case because if she isn't already poor she is going to be if she goes through with it.

Wcv63

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 07:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was one of Krista's supporters last year. I defended her even in the face of indefensible actions. I was right up there with the majority in being utterly APPALLED during and after the "knife incident."

HOWEVER, to be fair, as others pointed out last year, Justin had no convictions for assault. So really his only record was arrests. In this country the assumption MUST BE innocent until proven guilty. This doesn't mean that I don't believe that Justin is risk. I do. But legally CBS did not put its hgs in danger.

Also, I too am a little suspicious of the timing of this suit. I hate frivolous or opportunistic lawsuits with a passion. If Krista has indeed changed her position from last year (no big deal, just funnin, no harm done, they shouldn't have put Justin out of the house) and does have some psychological trauma DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED with this incident then she does have a case.

As much of a Krista defender as I was, I have to say that I don't believe this suit has any merit.

Mygetaway

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK... I want to go on record saying that..

I think it's all ARNIE!! Bad publicity is better than no publicity. He probably financed the whole thing just to generate more interest....

(Just Kidding.. or not...)

C1mag

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 08:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mygate I wouldn't be surprised. It makes a hell of a lot better sense then believing she'd come up with this claim a year later all on her own, but with Krista ya never know. She did accept the pathetic marriage proposal so anything is possible.

Twinkle

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 09:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Random thought: Does anyone know how long the hgs are under contract with BB? I know it lasts beyond the run of the show. If it's a year, then perhaps she had to wait until it was no longer binding.

This whole thing, particularly the timing, is inexplicable to me and it seems to be a ploy for publicity for someone. Arnie? *heh* You never know. Krista and/or her attorney, taking advantage of the increased media coverage prior to the beginning of the new season to get her back in the public's eye? Sure seems like it. I can't see a lawyer taking a case with no merit unless he stood to gain something. (Don't even get me started on what I think about lawyers.) Or...maybe they're doing a "where are they now" segment and she's gone ballistic because she was excluded?

And regarding publicity: how soon do you think we'll be seeing her giving short interviews on ET, E!,etc? (If she already has, I missed it.)

Kmjm

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 09:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Knowing that Krista had a messed up childhood, and abusive and violent relationships in her past, it does not surprise me that she would not recognize the threat that Justin presented. That's common with survivors of trauma in childhood- their perceptions and personal boundaries get all messed up and that is why they are so often revictimized throughout their lives. Perhaps Krista is coming to terms with her past and finally seeing the danger she was in. Or not- more likely she is just out for publicity and $$$! In a way, I wish she would win some settlement from CBS- she probably hasn't had a whole lot of success in her life. But there's no way they would concede without a huge fight and I agree that they will dish all the dirt on her that they can. The sad thing is that she will end up being a victim yet again.

Scorpiomoon

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 10:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Azriel. Speaking as a woman, if Krista would have immediately gone for help, or even after show, expressed her outrage over the incident, she would have had my full support.

Ocean, I resent your sexist remarks. You single out "all the women" as though we are supposed to be sympathetic toward a woman who now, a year later, is portraying herself as a victim when she clearly is not one and wasn't that night in the BB house.

If anything, I am angry at Krista for taking a potentially serious situation and trivializing it. It's women like her, and lawsuits like this, that will harm other women--women who truly are victims--when they attempt to take legal action.

Lurknomore

Thursday, July 04, 2002 - 10:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said Scorpio!

I'm gonna chime in a memory here. Krista was "so traumatized" by the event that she was near hysterical crying that they threw him out. For many, many days she called out to him on camera, told everyone how much she really cared about him, how upset she was that he was gone, and as I recall during the live show even sent a caring message to him. The only thing she seemed even slightly traumatized about was his absence.

Now all that said and done, BB had a right to have done a better background check on him. Convictions or no, it was no wise to put someone with a record in the house, and I would think given Justin's personality that any decent psychological screening should have ruled him out. I think last season BB was in such a rush to rock the boat and make the show controversial that they just grabbed folks they thought would do that.

HOWEVER I'm very big on PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY in this world. At no point was Krista scared, or gave the impression of anyone feeling danger. I can assure you I could drink more alcohol than I ever have consumed in my life (and those are fighting words if I recall some college nights accurately) and there is no way on earth someone could put a knife to me and would I be oblivious.

She not only was NOT an innocent bystander, she literally mourned BB removing him. If she wants to extend her 15 min of fame, this is a lousy attempt. So I assume she is going for BB giving her hush money so she won't take the focus away from the new show. BLECHHHHH.