So Marcellus Has Screwed Things Up Once Again
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So Marcellus Has Screwed Things Up Once Again
Ellenkats | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:02 am     After Roddy is gone, I'd like Marcellas out before Chiara. Marc is so undependable he's a menace to any seeming alliance. To think, I used to LIKE Marc. (shaking head) |
Cameltoes | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:02 am     It's not uncommon for the HOH to be approached in order to manipulate ther nominations. I don't think that's a big deal at all. The HOH has to listen to all the feedback they get and then make the decision that suits them best. Then it should be out of their hands. Amy had Roddy manipulating her into a Jason/Chiara vote and Danielle manipulating her into a Roddy/Chiara vote (different tactics but same intent). She made the choice and has to accept some responsibility just as she would have had to live with it if she put up Jason/Chiara and Roddy used the veto to save Chiara or Jason walked out the door. |
Pesto | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:06 am     Also, expect Roddy to play Amy today regarding last night. The one thing (and only one thing) I feel relatively sure about in the game is that if Roddy is getting voted out, he WILL know beforehand and fight to do something about it (He is no Eric). If Amy even goes near dropping Dani's name to him, then watch for BIG fireworks today... Dani has just got to HOLD, HOLD!! |
Nimtu | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:11 am     I know that everybody seems to believe that Amy is making the decision based on emotion, however, if you look at it from a strategy perspective..she is much better off keeping Roddy in the house. D/J/L will not accept Amy, Mar, or Gerry in their alliance and Chiara would be easy for them to control. For Amy, Mar and Gerry keeping Roddy is definately the better way to go. In terms of Dani's right to vote how she wants vs. Amy's push to get rid of Chiara I would have to agree with Amy. Amy only put Roddy up because Dani gave her word. Funny how things change so quickly. Sat. I was sooo happy that Roddy was up and now I want Chiara gone. I think the game will end up pretty boring with just Dani and her group in charge. It will just be them picking people off one at a time. Come on admit it..without Will to hate last year would have been dull! |
Needmylifeback | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:12 am     I hope Dani pulls a "so what" attitude and still votes to get Roddy out....but, then I also hope she goes off on Marcellas and tells him that it was a TEST to see how quickly he went to Amy with "confidential information" that she is standing by her word to Amy and will indeed vote Chiara out.{so she lies..} But, that she now knows that she can't trust Marcellas one iota and that now he better be watching his own back because she is done with him! After that we'll just have to wait until Thursday night to see what really happens! |
Jaysgal | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:12 am     "Everybody is going to see this differently depending on who they are pulling for. I see it as Amy breaking her initial word that she was going to put up R and C if she won HOH. She was then "handed" HOH. She then flipflopped on her decision to nominate Roddy after he went in and hypnotised her with his Svengali-like mind control." How is that Amy breaking her words? She didn't make any promises, did she? She was asked who she would put up. At that time in point, her intent was to put up those two people. Then she was persuaded without any corruption to put up Jason and Chiara instead. However, Danielle came and made promises. Unless you mean to tell me that she explicitly promised whilst in the competition that she would do just thatm she has not broken her words. If she just said that was her intent, then a change of heart is not a failure of oath. Besides, the other house guests keep assuming that they would have won the competition had they not left earlier. Amy is a very competitive person. She could equally have won the game had they not left earlier. On another note, I say this is partly Amy's stupidity for trusting too much and not thinking completely with her own head. I thought that she had the basic common sense that would tell her that if Danielle was serious about having an assured 3 votes, it would dawn on her that Danielle must have a motive for wanting Roddy in particular there. The only possible other argument that Danielle could have had was Jason's vote would be one of the three guaranteed votes and Roddy's vote might be one of the not-so-guaranteed votes. Hence, Amy could have been swayed. But from what I read, all Danielle said was that three votes were guaranteed if she put up Roddy instead. I hardly saw Amy ask for explanation on the frantic behaviour. And once word came out of Danielle's plan, if Amy was smart, she would not have trusted Danielle any more. She would not have taken the gamble. Instead, she would have been speaking to Gerry about saving Roddy, but she didn't do that. Amy is hardly using her intelligence, so maybe she's not so serious. What and others, what's so wrong about playing with emotions? If everyone played with logic, it would be boring. Playing a game with your emotion sometimes works. Amy's revenge plan could be a blessing in disguise if she has a breath of fresh air to think and do other things with other people. Sometimes, someone's absence means a great atmosphere. I can see how Amy would not feel great with Chiara around and it would affect her ability to play the game. Again, Danielle's agenda may not be someone elses. Roddy is not a threat to everyone at this time. If you keep him around, form a coalition with him as Gerry did, don't be mesmerised--as Gerry is not, then you can get rid of him when due or pair with others to get rid of him. |
Battlestar | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:12 am     Danielle can't handle confrontation---she said so. She says she loses control and explodes |
Jaysgal | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:20 am     Of course she can't handle confrontation. If she could, then she would have no need to and take no pleasure in backbiting all the time. Ewww! I wanna throw up. I hope she's next out of that house, whether or not Roddy stays. |
What555456 | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:21 am     Don't they normally vote very early in the day -- right after they wake up? Will there even be time for any sort of explosion or for Roddy to talk to all of them individually? It seems to me if they sleep until normal time (mid-AM PDT), there is not going to be a lot of politicking today. |
Eden | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:21 am     I wonder if this whole situation wasn't instigated by Marcellas' LONG session in the DR room last night. Remember? He was in there so long everyone in the house was commenting on it. Now, hours later, he blows the whole scheme. I wonder if they weren't pointing out some real strategic problems Marcellas and Amy will have once Roddy is gone. Just something to ponder. |
Crazydog | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:21 am     <<Danielle can't handle confrontation---she said so. She says she loses control and explodes >> In that case, let's get Danielle nominated ASAP! What a spectacle that would be. Mirabile dictu! |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:24 am     Jaysgirl it's obvious you and I are looking at this from different angles. Unfortunately I don't possess Roddy's skills of mind control through charm and distortion. I think we will just have to agree that we identify with two very different teams, shake hands, wish each other the best of luck, and PLAY BALL!! I'm working on my curve ball |
Jimmer | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:27 am     I’m really amused by the biased title of this thread. How has Marcellus screwed anything up from his perspective. The odds of him winning with Danielle around and in control are far less than with Roddy off-setting Danielle. He is clearly out of Danielle’s alliance. I’m mystified that he didn’t go to Amy and reveal what was happening earlier. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:27 am     Why can't Marc spill the beans? Dani was already talking about getting rid of him sooner rather than later. He might as well get out there and make some noise. |
Nimtu | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:31 am     Ditto Jimmer and Gina! I don't know why we seem to believe that some of these people are playing the game great and some are stupid and playing emotionally. They are all looking to win and playing what's best for them. |
Sassylady | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:38 am     Amy was okay with Danielle having enough power to get enough votes to do what Amy wanted. It is this same power that Amy is so ticked about because it goes against her wishes. If Amy was not such a spoiled person (her own words) and was playing a game to win then I would be right there with her for being angry. However, Amy in my eyes, has lost all credibility because she could care less about the game (again her own words) she came back with a scenerio in her mind--being alone with Roddy period! And she will stomp her feet in a tantrum to get her way. Silly little girl. Marc was doing so well explaining to Amy how silly her motive was but then typical Marc he caved in to who ever is keeping him entertained. Remeber the reason he gave Roddy for switching sides--the other group was boring him. Soooo, Marcellas almost plays a great game (like in the first few weeks) then he just does something like this that just turns me against him and might harm him in the long run. |
Ellenkats | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:42 am     >>Danielle can't handle confrontation---she said so.<< Indeed. When Lori confronted her -- she lost it. lol |
Jimmer | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:44 am     The reality is that Marc is out of Dani's alliance. He may be doing it for the wrong reasons (emotional) but he has to look for alternatives. |
Battlestar | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:44 am     Sassy---so??? AMY has her eyes on different prize then the other guests. They should be happy and give it to her |
Nermal | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:58 am     I completely agree, Sassy. |
Sassylady | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:59 am     Battlestar wrote:>>>>>>>>AMY has her eyes on different prize then the other guests. They should be happy and give it to her<<<<<<<<<< Silly me. Of course they should. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:00 am     Of course they shouldn't worry about the silly game or the "real" prize they are all playing for. Just give Miss Amy what she wants. That's the reason they are all there. Right? |
Nermal | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:03 am     Of course it is... afterall, Amy "ALWAYS gets what she wants." lol (about time that changed) |
Jimmer | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:09 am     Regardless of Amy’s motives (bizarre though some think they may be), Dani made a clear promise to her. It’s not unreasonable for Amy to be upset about it being broken. Dani has to live with the consequences of her decision (it may cost her the $500,000). |
Woodpecke® | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:17 am     I don't think that Amy needs to be a consideration for Danielle. When Amy finds out what Roddy was trying to do to her, she will understand why Danielle needed to get Roddy out. Roddy was the bad guy here, not Danielle. Amy needs to wake up. |
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