What555456 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:24 pm     Mellbell, thanks for the definition. But truth is...he lied. He became like the rest of them --assuming he wasn't already -- and lied. Now, if they can just get him to have sex..... Maybe if they read the Song of Songs in the Bible to him, while sitting in the hot tub with Amy (or Marcellus depending on which way Jason goes) breathing deeply next to him. LOL!!! |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:25 pm     jason has already admitted he lied to 2 people when asked if he had a deal with danni over the last 2 months. You people parse words better than clinton. Clinton said he was never alone with monica because there were always other people in the whitehouse. I guess this all comes down to the definition of is. |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:25 pm     To give a false impression... Uh wouldn't that be the moment he said he promised to nominate the one person that she fealt threatned by the most and then didn't nominate that person? I'm pretty sure thats a lie. Dang the special ed kids are messing with the computers today. |
Mellbell416 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:25 pm     Sorry Theo - it don't fit the definition of lying as per the definition. Now it's your turn to gracefully admit that you were wrong.... It doesn't mean that you have to like what he did or that there aren't other ways of describing his actions - if someone did that to me, I would certainly feel betrayed because they didn't stand by their word. Fair 'nough? |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:27 pm     wcv i didnt say you have to hate jason or even dislike him. I'm just tired of everyone attacking danni and giving him a total free pass. seems like a huge amount of hypocrazy and double standards. If jason can make a deal with roddy this week danny should be able to next week. if danni and roddy agree to nominate and get jason evicted will that be fair? |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:28 pm     Megg you know I have been questioning this promise to Chiara as well. Anyone hear him promise this to her or was this a Roddy manipulation where he reminded him of a conversation he had with chiara? I was pretty stunned that he could remember Danis promise to Roddy but couldn't remember the promise he made to Chiara until after he did the nominations. I still say the kid is a slick liar. Doesn't mean he is satans son it just means he is playing dirty like the rest of them. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:30 pm     C1...I really have enjoyed our discussions but feel that being called "a special ed" kid is going over the line of acceptable debate practices. Perhaps we can confine our discussions to the definition of "is". You believe one thing. I believe other. You think Jason is a creep. I think that is a horribly outrageous characterization. Better yet we should just agree to disagree on this issue cuz I'm not budging. |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:31 pm     mell if my definition differes with your dictionarys I'm wrong but I have been brought to know when I lie and if I promise somebody something and later change my mind i know I lied to the person. Once again if somebody is a sociopath and believes their own lies then does that mean they are not lying? By your definition they wouldnt be lying because they think they are speaking the truth. |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:32 pm     c1mag thats a good point how come all the time he was talking about nominating roddy after he won that promise was never brought up but then the minute its convenient we hear about it? |
Mellbell416 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:33 pm     Sheeeesh - I can think of so many times when I have seen someone get bullied into agreeing to do something just to get some peace, and then they think for a while and realize "Whoa! That is COMPLETELY the wrong decision!" It doesn't mean that anything duplicitous has happened. I can think of a few times when that has happened to me, just because I have had more time to reflect on a decision and came to a better one. Sounds like you guys are getting infected by the 'Roddy' way of thinking ! |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:33 pm     Yes I suppose for YOUR sake we must agree to disagree. Won't say too much on the special ed issue. Your final response suggests perhaps a mental block that some have in special ed. You are fully aware that he lied, yet can't admit it. Is there a block somewhere? I believe so. Now as far as Jason being a creep... Yep for what he pulled on Dani you bet his is a creep! In life? Nah just in the game! |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:34 pm     meggie you are one of the few people that see thru all this rationalizatiuons and bs. I'm glad there are a few of us with eyes wide open. If not for dani jason would have been nominated last week for sure. |
Cameltoes | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:34 pm     I don't know C1. I didn't hear the promise to Chiara but I think she did say it. She told Lisa and Danielle that Jason is weak so don't trust him, and told Roddy that he should trust Danielle. I think she was trying to setup a Roddy/Lisa/Danielle alliance and was trying to keep Roddy safe from Jason (who she felt was untrustworthy). |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:36 pm     Theo17: If I say to you that I'm going to the store at 3:00 but don't end up leaving till 5:00 does that mean I lied to you? I'll help. The answer is no. Had I said that I PROMISE I'm going to the store at 3:00 and didn't that would constitute a lie. One little word sure does mean alot. |
Meggieprice | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:38 pm     C1 You know that not only would he have mentioned that promise to Dani before this, but I do not believe he would have made such a promise because until yesterday I do believe his alliance with Dani was important to him. He lies with the best and the rest of them. Besides, I find betraying a friend worse. And I can understand lying in this game, especially in support of a friend. He disappointed me profoundly when he fell for Roddy. The more I think about it I just can't get over Roddy looking him in the eyes and saying "You can trust me"...thinking about Roddy sitting in the same room encouraging Amy to nominate Jason just a week before. That was one of the many times he questioned Jason's character. He lied to Jason about that. (Listening Kieffer?) Sigh. I hope Dani has not given up. If she does, I will. |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:39 pm     ok lets get the rules down once and for all so we dont have to argue. If danni thinks about lying but keeps her word she still is a liar. if jason lies he isnt a liar just changed his mind if roddy lies it never really happened and he is just playing the game. if josh lies he is an evil liar if kiki lies with roddy only kiki should be blamed if roddy and kiki push ord once again only kiki should be blamed. if 6 people agree to dump marcy only josh should be blamed. marcy can back stab everyone but dont dare say anything about marcy Have I got a feel for the ground rules yet? |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:39 pm     Bullied? How did she bully him into promising her he would nominate her biggest threat? The word promise would be the key. He is a saint for keeping his word too chiara because he said he just couldn't go back on his word. Yet for some reason he fealt pretty good about going back on his word to Dani. Some suggest that he just changed his mind. LMAO! Hmmmm... Me thinks the kid lied to Dani, came up with plan B and is playing dirty just like the rest. Got no problem with it, but refuse to believe that the kid isn't lying his way to the next level. |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:41 pm     wvc if you tell me you will pick me up at the store at 3pm but then go with roddy to the porno store instead you lied. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:41 pm     I don't think he fell for Roddy Meggie. I think he sees right through him. He hasn't betrayed Dani. That's where I disagree with the majority in this thread. Over and out. I'm all done here. Nobody is changing anybody's mind and I feel like I'm spinning my wheels. It's been fun! |
Jaysgal | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:41 pm     Theo17, Jason was simply being a lawyer, and so is Roddy. It is called misleading or suppressing evidence. Yes, I do define suppressing evidence as lies because someone could have changed their opinion had they been informed of all relevant information. However, truthfully, on a technical level, it cannot be labeled a lie. It was an indirect form of lie, but it was not a direct form. It was implicit, lawyerly. This is why Jason can get away with the argument of he didn't lie. But according to Danielle, Jason accepted that he lied. Again though, technically, he intentionally misled the others, but he didn't lie. |
Nimtu | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:43 pm     One comment and then out of the fray. My daughter is in special ed. She doesn't lie, manipulate or close her mind to viewpoints other than her own. She does, however, have a learning disorder. Don't want to get on a soapbox here..but would ya mind not continuing to use this as an insult. Thanks! |
Meggieprice | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:44 pm     Wait! Wcv- I want to hear what you have to say about that! I want to believe that is true but I need to know a scenario that will show that to be the case. Jasons' alliance with Dani was one of the few things I truly believed was strong and true. He broke my heart yesterday along with hers. (OK all this bed rest has me a bit melodramatic...) |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:45 pm     Nimtu...I agree with you completely. |
Keiffer | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:46 pm     Sorry, I am a bit late here but I do not remember the Danny and Jason talk in which they promised each other that if either of them won HoH they wouldput up Roddy. I remember Amy saying that she promised to vote against him if he were put up this week, but other than that I can't remember anyone saying for sure they woudl put him up this week. The only person that Roddy is a threat to in the house is Danny. She has become that because she decided to be the voice of the alliance in an effort to be in control of it. She wanted to be the go between with Jason and Lisa, and that exposed her plotting to get Roddy out. You guys went off when Chiara first won HoH because you all thought that really what happened was Roddy had won HoH, and that Chiara would blindly do what Roddy wanted. If Jason had put up Roddy it would have been a case of him just not having any backbone and of being guilty of the same thing people seemed concerned about when Chaira won. The bottom line is this was the best move for him. No matter which person survices this week they will believe that it was planned out that way. Gerry because of revolving door, and Amy because she was told by Jason and Amy she was safe. Not only that but now he has allies in both ROddy and Danny.... for sure the best of both worlds for Jason. I am proud of Jason, after that shameful display of him running looking for Mommy's permision before he cast his vote last week, it was nice to see him be his own man. |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:46 pm     jays gal; I understand your arguement but I'm a simple man. i believe in right and wrong and trueth and honesty. When i do lie I dont make excuses. I admit I lied and i appologize. I dont believe in parcing words. In court somebody swears to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so if they do not tell the whole truth in my eyes they have lied. I lost a court case 2 years ago because I told 100% the truth while the other person lied 100% Cost me $4800. karma got him though. 2 years later he went out of business. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:48 pm     Meggie I believe the alliance is still in force. They are continuing to share information and there has been no indication to me of a "break". I think Dani accepts Jason's nominations but will try to work with him on using the POV in a beneficial way that they can both agree on. Nimtu..although I agreed with you about the needless namecalling, I object to be catagorized as close minded. |