Anyone concerned it is bb manipulating this game?
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Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
the dr got pissed about chiara asking amy things and when chiara told amy that the dr was putting ideas in her head. amy lied to chiara and said they didn't, but the diary room DID ask a bunch of questions. amy told dr she lied because chiara was bigger than her and she was afraid chiara was beat her up.


Maybe the dr is what is saving roddy?

Avrey258

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And when Amy said Alison said she (Chiara) was a loser? Isn't Alison one of the diary room people or is she a handler?

Also, last night Roddy said he was recruited for BB3 then it went to FOTH. I know recruiting is not illegal but I would like to know why BB thinks this information should be kept secret? How many of the HG's do we know for sure were recruited?

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i just think that they are molding the game the way they want ti. Cant lose roddy because so many people want him out for ratings. UGHHHHH I had no idea the people in dr are feeding them ideas and comments. I cant believe Amy was afraid kiki would beat her up with all those people and cameras there. she is definitely the most stupid person there. Roddy put her up for nomination 2 days after she saved roddys butt. And she is stupid enpugh not to care

Onlymytulips

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great question!
I am one that loves to hate Roddy. Without him on the show it may be quite bland. Danielle wouldn't have to work so hard. Amy and Marcellas wouldn't have anyone to swoon over. Therefore, maybe keeping Roddy is a way BB3 can guarantee great ratings?

Silksmoke

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wondered this for a different reason.

Chiara is scheduled to appear in court on Sept 3.
She had been scheduled to appear in court shortly after she entered the BB house, and her lawyer got her court date changed. BB was going to have a huge problem if she hadn't been evicted before 9/3. I think this may be the reason for the "returning hg" twist as she would have had to have been dropped from the show, or allowed out for her day in court. Although I wanted to see Chiara go, I wondered if BB had a hand in urging her banishment to meet her legal obligations.

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
well since it is obvious via amy that information is being given out the next question is it fair? Amy thought she might get punished for her loose lips last night and then later spilled more info. BB trusting amy to keep quiet is dumb. You put some booze in her and she yaps away about everything. She definitely abuses alcohol

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
silks I dont think that was part of the returning hg. That took a long time to plan and they could have just booted kiki out w.o replacing her. I do think its lame bb is manipulating the people and by doing that they are in some ways fixing the game

Gina8642

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hate to say Theo, but I got to agree with you. Amy has a problem. It would be to her benefit to lay off the alcohol, and yet she doesn't. To me, that is a sign of a problem.

I've always heard one has a drinking problem when it interfers with their life. This is heavily interfering with Amy's ability to win $500,000 dollars. You think with that kind of money at stake, that someone could work on being sober for three months. Or, at the very least, stick to one drink in an evening.

Amy is clearly a tiny person, it's amazing how the others look like giants when they stand close to her. One drink in her, is more than one drink in a bigger person, and yet she drinks 4+ drinks in a night. That's alot. How can she keep her game wits about her when drinking that much?

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
she is clearly dependant on alcohol. Its ironic its kiki with the dwi charge and not amy. I feel badly for her in this regard because if so many people in the house are noticing and telling her to slow down and she still refuses that means she has the makings of an addiction

Gina8642

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As far as the question of 'Is BB manipulating the game?' Not in my opinion.

At least not in any deliberate or directed manner. We've already seen that most of these HGs can't keep their mouths closed about something for more than a few hours. Do you really think one of them could hold in a secret plot by BB?

And, if one says BB does it without any HGs involvement, then how can they be assured of the result they want? Chiara inparticular was a loose cannon. I was always amazed at how she interpreted certain events. It doesn't matter how good of pyscologists BB has behind the scenes, they can't get the HGs to act the way they want them to.

At best, BB can stir up trouble with leading questions. Are they guilty of this? Probably, but it doesn't direct the game. It just makes DR entries more lively, and the game more lively outside the DR. I wouldn't expect anything less.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Theo -

Amy has had DWI problems herself. I'm not sure where I read it, but I think there is more than one incident involved. None were as recent as Chiara's though. I'm sure somebody can find a link for Amy's leagal troubles. (Hint, hint...)

Woodpecke®

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Theo, you are clearly not qualified to make an assessment on Amy and her drinking. The BB house is not real life, and if I was in there, I may get loaded myself. I rarely drink, but I might get plastered if I had to live with these people. There is no way to determine if she has a drinking problem, so I suggest she be left alone and allowed to do whatever she wants. She won't be out driving.

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
wood I have a right to my opinion. several hgs have said it is a lot for her and I agree.

Gina I wasnt speaking about any manipulation that strong armed. I was speaking directly about information that is being given to people in dr or leading questions that are asked. Or direct comments that they are told about other hgs. amy has been spilling the beans little by little and she did again some last night

Woodpecke®

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy drinking under extremely controlled conditions cannot be evaluated as a drinking problem. It is amazing that others are allowed to make psychological diagnosis of people they don't know in real life settings. Totally irresponsible and quite judgemental considering the circumstances all the players are subjected to in this house.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
True she did. She clearly said that Allison, her handler in Mexico, said something like 'Chiara is a loser'.

I really don't think BB is deliberately manipulating though. It is human nature to share stuff when you are couped up together. This will happen whether you are in the BB house surrounded by cameras, or at a resort in Mexico, where you are allowed on limited phone calls with your family.

Efilon

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Amy is a 23 year old who is at a party and having a good time. I don't know that she is "clearly dependent" on alcohol. She likes it and has a good time when she is drinking.

It is amazing to me that many people who participate in these sites "know" that Roddy is a sociopath and a nasty manipulative person, Amy is an alcoholic and Gerry does not have good hygiene.

They may be all those things but I don't feel like I could say that any of these people "absolutely" are this or that type of person. It's still a tv program....reality or not. These people are not in a situation where we can judge who they are in real life.

There are people in this game that I don't care for (in the game) but I don't hate any of them and would never try to diagnose them with a mental illness. They all have families and friends who love them. I hate to think if one of my family members were in there and I saw some of the hateful things I've seen about the hgs said about someone I love. Talk about Roddy tearing people down and making them think they are awful!!! I think a lot of people need to step away from the computer relax and forget about this game for awhile.

JMO

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
wood you should go yell at the hg's that have said it or at the police that have given her the dwi's if the prior post is correct. By the way this is America. While we might not be qualified to make a diagnosis we are still entitled to our opinion to say she drinks a lot for a small girl.

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
gina thats true she did say that. I dont think it is outright manipulation as you say but just a few words can send this game in a different direction. Like if they asked danni how she feels that roddy has made 2 final 2 deals with marcy and jason. danni would run to jason in a split second. I'm just really surprised at some of the stuf amy is saying and bb doesnt like it because she has been warned apparently a few times. Last night she was saying please bb dont throw the book at me.

Onlymytulips

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, I thought I read that some lady sat down at the table, and her handler, Allison told the lady not to talk about the HOUSE. Even at that the lady still talked about Chiara. So I don't think it was her handler that said that.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpeck - I think it's ok for us to say we think she has a problem. We can't know that, but we sure can think it. Freedom of speech and all that. Amy agreed to go on a show where she knew she would be watched 24/7 by internet people. I think it is perfectly fine to speculate in this way.

I'm not saying she is an alcoholic, but I am saying I think she has a problem. To me, those are two different things. I think there are plenty of people out there who drink too much, or at inappropriate occasions, who can stop that behavior without necessarily being Alcoholics. I think whean a person wants to stop that behavior but cannot, then maybe they should consider giving up alcohol altogether.

I really have no basis for knowing if Amy is at that point in her life or not. I do know that it would benefit Amy in this game to cut back on the alcohol consumption. If she can't manage to do that, she has a problem. (Not that I'm sure Amy even wants to win this game, but that is another topic.)

Gina8642

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think you're right Only.

Seanflynn

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd be concerned if they weren't manipulating the game

Onlymytulips

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A - this one woman sat down at dinner with us one night and Allison told her she’s not aloud to talk about the show or anything. And, this woman leans over and says to me that key-are-a is a loose…..
Here is a copy from the actual live feed post.

This clears it up. It was not the handler.

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
allison told amy , she wasn't supposed to tell anyone, but she thought "that chiara was a loser."

of course, now we get FOTH so bb can threaten amy some about repeating that out loud.

Onlymytulips

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
even tho, I wish the cameras did not go to FOTH when Amy was talking about what the lady said. I wonder if the lady called Chiara a loser, or a loose cannon?????? hehehehehe

we will never know!

Victoriafla

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My opinion is... yes BB is manipulating the game. I have always thought that.

Draheid

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
IMO - What would/could make this show interesting is if BB were to be slipping Sodium Pentathol (sp?) into their systems by whatever means is available, ie. in their food, or drinking water, or whatever to insure a sufficient yet safe amount got into their systems continually ... what a show it would be then if they were ALL under the influence of a truth serum 24/7....

JMO - FWIW

PS, this would also alleviate the need for the 'socially acceptable' truth serum that is alcohol!

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina: "It doesn't matter how good of pyscologists BB has behind the scenes, they can't get the HGs to act the way they want them to."

If Roddy can do it why can't BB phychologists?