Oh no! AMY telling RODDY all about DANNI'S plot to oust him!!
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Cathie

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would love it if Gerry got HOH next and nominated Dani and Roddy. Can you imagine the campaigning that would go on??????

Lurknomore

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I want to respond to a post I read about 3000 posts ago here (I think by Maisie but not sure lol). I think the problem lies not with the fact that we need to remember they are "playing a game" but that in this case Amy is simply being a pathetic female looking to win Roddy's affections, and is doing so by selling Dani down the river.

Whether we like Dani and her tactics or not, she changed the vote to come through for Amy. The payback was a knife in her back. To this point I mostly liked Amy. I now want to see her and Marcellas OUT of there. This was plain low of Amy, and all to "be liked" by the wonderful Roddy. GAG ME.

Allietex

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bb3 What about Dani's solomn vow to have Chi's back? She promised not to vote her out. Didn't I see that or am I really watching too much BB. Which solomn vow is the mos t solomn?

Crazydog

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Allie, that's the problem Dani got herself into. She promised Chiara that Chiara would NOT be voted out. She promised Amy that Chiara WOULD be voted out. Dani made too many promises and it's about time it comes back to bite her. Now nobody can trust her, and her time in the game is drawing to a close.

Maris

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Huh??? How did we leap to Amy being a pathetic female looking to win Roddys affections? Dani made a deal with Amy she thought she could back out of before the actual vote. She was so sure of her ability to turn it around and convince Amy to vote out Roddy. Dani knew she wanted Roddy from the get go but lied to Amy and told her she would vote out Chiara.

Why is the assumption that because Amy is a woman she somehow has fallen for Roddys questionable charms??? The only thing I heard Amy say to Roddy is all I ask is that you dont vote me out unanimously next time. I think the women are capable of making decisions without it being about needing affections of some loser.

Gina8642

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk - I've said this in another thread. This is a decision where, no matter the outcome, either Dani or Amy will be 'played'.

-If Amy is sucessful in getting Dani (and Li/JA) to follow her whim to have Chi out, then Amy played Da/Li/Ja.

-If Dani kept her word to Chi to 'have Chi's back' then Dani played Amy.

There is no way out of this without someone getting 'played'.

And, no matter who gets 'played', then there will be resentment over that 'playing'.

____

At moment in time, I'm glad Chi is going. Dani's mechinations have really been getting to me the last several days. I feel Dani 'lost' this battle.

Lurknomore

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina...I don't disagree with what you said. One of Dani's problems is too many irons in too many fires.

Maris...how "we" got there is simply how I see it. Amy fawns over Roddy and has repeatedly DESPERATELY wanted to be the object of his attraction/affection. I view the way she looks at him and worships his pompous butt as both pathetic and relatively nauseating. Just MY opinion and how I see it based on viewing hours of their interactions.

Ladytex

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk, I agree about the lowness of Amy at this point. Dani was wrong, sure, but she backed down to keep her word to Amy and then Amy stabbed her in the back with a poisoned knife by going to Roddy with all of this. I would love for Amy to be nominated next week vs. Roddy with the stip that if anyone got vetoed, then Marcellas goes up.

Minkster1973

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
After reading about the conversation that Lisa and Roddy just had, I think Lisa will go with Roddy for now...it's obvious that she can get further with Roddy than with Danielle. Danielle will stab Lisa in the back to save Jason....with Roddy, Lisa has more of a chance to reach it to the final two and then get paid....first or second place.

Crazydog

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Minkster, was this a recent (as in within the last 15 minutes) conversation or was it the earlier one where Roddy said he didn't want to put Lisa in a tight spot? I'm hoping they had a second conversation. I agree with you that Lisa can get further with Roddy. She needs to quietly ditch Dani without making it obvious.

Strkaholic

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazy...if she does that, then she does not have a leg to stand on in her anger with Chiara, at least IMHO.

Crazydog

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Strkaholic, doesn't matter. She'll get over it if it keeps her in the game longer. After all, she was willing to put strategy before personal feelings when she voted Amy back in. Plus, if she is teaming with Roddy that means Chiara is gone. And what better way to dig at Chiara by having Roddy take her to the finals?

Strkaholic

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know what you are saying Crazy, but as far as I am concerned, the main reason she wants C out is because she feels that C lied to her and stabbed her in the back...if she switches alliances from D to R, I see her doing the same thing that she is mad at C for and no longer see her reasoning for being mad at C as valid. This is just how I see it, not how she sees it obviously, if that is in fact what is happening. Sorry if I am not explaining it well..that's why I don't post often, I never make sense.

Gramma

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't have live feeds and so didn't get to hear the Roddy/Amy discussion firdt hand. While Amy was spilling her guts to Roddy about her discussion with danni, did she also tell him about the 'Opposite' remark that was made to Jason?

If she did, Roddy has confirmation about the D&J pact and will def put them up against each other if he gets HOH.

Saggkl

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 03:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, why do you think that Amy was so set that it would be Chiara instead of Roddy to go? Roddy wasthe one who nominated her and made sure the vote was 10? to 0. She wants Chiara out of the way so she can flirt with Roddy. Just remember the way she looks at Roddy. The fist time and this time Also.

Keiffer

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a different opnion on why Amy wants Chiara out before Roddy. It isn't because she thinks she can hook up with ROddy if Chiara is gone, or has illusions of them getting together. There are actually two reasons.

1: Roddy went out of his way while she was being evicted to be nice to her. He spent like 2 hours talking to her in private out at the HT while most people were not willing to put in the time. She honestly feels she learned a life lesson that week, and thanks Roddy for helping her do it. Frankly he put in the time.

2: If she can seem as an ally to Roddy and he is a good player and likely to be good at this game (and you want a friend that owes you). If he thinks Amy is in his pocket then she has chances of going further. I do not think I have heard anyone but Marcy talk to her about going far in the game since she got back. Roddy as a friend for game playing in the house could be very helpful.

Bigbrotherbelle

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 04:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow, Keiffer! I agree!

Whit4you

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 04:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Folks in this thread are funny - bashing Amy for 'stabbing Dani in the back" - and seemingly doing so seriously? Dani made a promise to Chaira not to vote her out..she then promised Amy to vote Chaira out. Now Amy's stabbing Dani in the back??? Interesting concept. Amy's stabbing Dani in the back because Dani is stabbing either Amy or Chaira in the back...

Dani's playing the game - stabbing whoever in the back is most convient for her ...which is fine with me but to see people bashing Amy for returning the favor is too funny. Amy was voted out 7-0 she owes NOBODY in that house anything (except MAYBE marc)

Deltadiva

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 04:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with everyone in this thread.

I'm more angry at Dani for possibly changing her vote because she gave Amy her word. But she also gave Chiara her word.

What really makes me think Dani isn't very smart is the fact that Amy has mentioned that she is not in it for the money. So why should Dani care if Amy gets mad. IMO, i think Amy does only want Chiara out because she is jealous of their relationship (or lack of). Because IF she really cared about the game, she would have heeded to Marci's warning about getting Roddy out instead.

Marci on the other hand is a gossiping queen who IMO is only trying to stir up mess in the house. And he too is jealous of Dani. Before Dani's mistake on Sat. (talking to Marci), she could have had a great chance at winning. Her mistake was trusting Marci.

Dani was doing fine with her alliance with Jason those two would have made it to the final 2 because they had the entire house fooled. After that opposite comment today, I hope Jason looses his religion for a few minutes and read Dani the right act for her stupidty and blowing his cover. He I think before the opposite comment, still had a slight chance.
I could be wrong

Maris

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 04:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why is Marci jealous of Dani????????????

Keiffer

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 04:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Delta I do not get it. Why is it better for Amy if Roddy leaves over Chiara? Chiara has shown no ablity to get along with Amy any longer than it takes to drink a bottle of wine. At least with Roddy they can talk. Add to that Chiara is in Danny's pocket and therefor makes Danny stronger.... not Amy. This gives both Danny and Roddy a person to go after besides her.

Seems to me Amy should have stuck with her original plan of putting Chiara and Jason up together. Until Danny assured her of getting out CHiara if she put Roddy up that was a pretty good plan. No matter who left both the strong players would have lost an important ally.

Realfan

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 04:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well put, Kieffer and Whit. Don't forget Amy and Roddy had a genial relationship before Chiara had a jealous hissy fit. Then the three girls bashed her mercilessly, and Chi pushed Rod into nominating Amy. I don't wonder at all that she wants Chi out first, and I don't blame her for building a new relationship with Roddy over Dani. Why should she stick with Dani, who already has other alliegances over any she has with Amy? So Amy can be fifth last? What good is that to her?

Shannonu

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 04:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It isn't better for Amy if Roddy leaves over Chiara. Roddy isn't after Amy. He is after Dani and Jason. Amy knows this. Amy also knows that as soon as Chiara gets HOH she will put Amy up. (Chiara even said so this morning while talking to Lisa)

Getting rid of Chiara might be personal for Amy but it also the best thing for her game.

Realfan

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 05:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm Amy. Lemme see.... Get rid of Chi-Whor-a, who I know--despite her false friendliness--hates my guts and would evict me the first chance she got, or get rid of Roddy, who was really nice to me despite being behind my eviction and who is now desperately in need of allies?

Tough choice.

Wrat1010

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 05:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fans of Danielle must be very alarmed and disappointed that by trying to please everybody she has the unfortunate habit of doing the dirty work for her enemies, while she won't do dirty work for her allies. If she really did fail to get Roddy evicted this week, she is no better a player than Chiara was when she nominated her two closest allies.

Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 05:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That't true, Wrat. She just didn't get the job done.

Wendo

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 05:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Realfan said, "Then the three girls bashed her mercilessly, and Chi pushed Rod into nominating Amy."

Oh please, like Roddy is the kind of person to have someone "push" him into nominating Amy. Roddy wanted to nominate her, it was his idea, Chiara agreed. There's no way that someone as smart and controlling as he is would ever let anyone make that decision for him. This is a preposterous statement considering all we know about Roddy.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 05:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm just upset that the whole thing fell apart in one big tangled mess at zero hour.

Amy is not playing the game. She is acting emotionally and not thinking strategically. Someone pointed out that Roddy bringing Amy into the final two would guarantee him the big money.

As much as I wanted Amy back in the house is now how much I want her out. Not for any other reason than she is screwing up *my* strategy. LOL I mean my favs strategy of course. <ahem..cough cough>

Jadebutterfly

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 05:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's interesting to read these opinions on whose fault this little Roddy/Chiara "who's going" seesaw game is. IMHO, the author of this particular drama of the past 18 hours is AMY. She had her nominations decided and then let others browbeat her. If she didn't want to see Roddy go, then she shouldn't have put him up. Danielle didn't play her. She allowed herself to be played. Too bad she didn't figure that out until last night. This whole HOH power trip of "I'm picking two nominees but you all have to vote for the one I want" is ridiculous. You can't trust it as a strategy. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Amy would have saved herself a whole lotta grief if she'd picked two people she would have been okay seeing leave the house.

Onlyhuman

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 05:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, I agree with you, that Roddy WANTED to nominate Amy. However, Chiara never made any secret of the fact that she BELIEVED she influenced his decision. Everyone in the house believed that, Eric even commented on it in the DR. You can't blame Amy for BELIEVING that Chiara was behind it.

I want to add a hearty "AMEN" to Whit, Realfan, Keiffer and Shannonu. To be honest, I am completely happy at this turn of events, mainly because I think it increases the chances for Amy & Marcellus staying in the house. If Roddy went, then I knew Amy & Marcellus were going up either this week or next week. Now at least they have a fighting chance. Or maybe they'll just shoot thmselves in the foot again. Don't really care, but it's better than watching a Dani dominated threesome take over the rest of the show.

BTW, I REALLY dislike Roddy as a human being. I just want MY favorites to have a fighting chance.

Bigbrotherbelle

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 05:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"This whole HOH power trip of "I'm picking two nominees but you all have to vote for the one I want" is ridiculous."

That was Amy's plan until Dani started hyperventilating over it, so they made a trade off. If Dani wants to remain as someone who APPEARS to keep her word, then she has to stick to it. Otherwise, she should have left it alone, Jason would have gone up against Chia, and Chia would be up and outta there anyway.

Jadebutterfly

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 05:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know, Bigbrotherbelle. I'm saying the trade-off wasn't worth it if Amy really didn't want Roddy to leave. Once you're on the block...you never know what's going to happen day to day. Amy took a risk by agreeing to Dani's plan. She shouldn't have done that.
And I'm not justifying Danielle's behavior in any way either.