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What555456

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy has been after Chiara from the moment she won head of household. Is she lying that she is not seeking revenge? Or is she just so self deluded that she does not even know her own motivations?

And....

Why the hell was she crying through the whole thing? She is not on the block and she was the one who caused Chiara and Roddy to be there? What did she have to cry about? Especially when at the time she made the nominations, she was convinced she would easily get Chiara out -- which was her entire plan?

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh she was definitely out for revenge. I don't even think she is self-deluded on that one.

I think she was crying because she felt she had betrayed Roddy because he worked his Svengali magic on her and made her feel guilty.

Nermal

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She was crying because she was afraid that Roddy would be mad at her. He spent hours talking to her and he thought she wasn't going to put him up, that's what she indicated to him. She was really worried that Roddy would be upset with her.

She doesn't want to look into herself to see her real reasons for getting rid of Chiara. She lives in denial.

Dee723

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She's a drama queen. They love tears. I think her whole revenge comment stemmed from putting Roddy on the block. She put chiara up because she hates her, not sure if she looks at that as revenge or just justice?

Bbadict

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Because by then she knew that she couldn't be sure that Roddy wouldn't go and she didn't want him to be evicted. JMO. I could be wrong.

Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think she was truly scared and fearful of facing the wrath of the hgs. But of course there are other reasons I'm sure.

Curlyq

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm guessing she was crying about putting Roddy up. Did you see how she nearly broke the sound barrier trying to open the door for him after the ceremony?

I do see the whole "this isn't about revenge" thing as phony, since she was so dead-set on everyone voting Chiara out. If it wasn't about revenge but about just not feeling close to Chiara, she wouldn't have cared so much.

I kind of believed her when she said that she really didn't want to nominate but just wanted to win HOH for her own protection. She talks big about putting people up, but I don't think she was truly emotionally ready to actually do the job. It just seems to me that she just wants the game to be one long party where everyone has fun and gets along instead of it being the competition that it is.

Cyn

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
other reasons being having to face consequences and having to protect herself and make real (sic)decisions without being insulated from the world by family ties.

goddessatlaw hopefully will come here soon and explain it to us much more clearly. she always has that ability.

Oh, Goddess, come and grant us your wisdom at law.

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What? What'd I do?

Cyn

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
you tell it from the hip...

now come on shoot us one!

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy was crying because she didn't want Rod to dislike her for putting him up (ahem - didn't see him crying when he put her up, nosirree, and she had to listen to one of his diatribes, to boot); Amy put Chiara up for pure and righteous revenge, and I think she admitted as much in the diary room. Why shouldn't she? Chiara was behind every bit of Amy's ouster, and everyone knew it. Why shouldn't she get her revenge? I'm just disappointed she didn't have the nerve to say it flat out at the nominations meeting. I agree that Amy wants this to be a party instead of a competition. She's going to get chewed up again fairly quickly. Once Chiara's gone, who else is Roddy going to have upon whom to confer his judgments? Amy may even beg to get out once she feels the full brunt of Roddy's attention.

What555456

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems to me that if Amy gets the full brunt of Roddy's attention (which I think she wants, btw) Marcellus is going to go bananas. His jealousy and possessiveness of Amy may just ensure she is gone next week -- unless its another week of trying to get Roddy out.

If Chiara stays, Amy will go before her. Amy has alienated almost everyone this week because she took an arrogant stand as HOH.

Tracy

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddessatlaw - you were up to the challenge. Loved your last line.

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know what's really bad - I think Marc would behave just like Chiara if Roddy were his boyfriend. "Say whatever you want, Master, just as long as you think I'm worthy of your attention." Except he'd cry instead of smile it off, like Chiara. Blech. I hope Amy catches onto Rod faster than the other two.

Cyn

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
see i knew she'd (Goddessatlaw) let me see through the cloud of my own personal interactions with people of this type of character. i.e., i went to school with too many amy's to judge clearly. i would of been thrown off the jury selection with the first question i was asked.

good shooting!

Azriel

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy meant that she wasn't out for revenge because of any game decisions that Roddy and Chiara made. She had personal reasons to vote out Chiara. I wouldn't really call that revenge, either.

She doesn't like Chiara and has never liked Chiara so she would have been Amy's choice for eviction regardless of what has happened in the game.

Cameltoes

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Very true What. If Amy spends much of her time with the Rodster, she and Marcellas could very well end up on the outs. If Marcellas distrusts Roddy and they do indeed have a deal to the end, he may think Amy could upset that applecart. I guess we will see.

Ryn

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would not call it "revenge" - she just plain does not like Chiara, she woulda put Chiara up even if she had not been nominated b4, she doesn't like her and made that clear, even said it in the nomination meeting.

Why was she crying? Because she does still live with these people, she is the cause of one of them being evicted.

Even Gerry got choked up NOT using the POV on the show tonight.

Remember they have been boxed up with each other for 45 days, yes Amy got a break but she slipped right back into the game as soon as that door closed behind her, she had barely been in the house 3 hours when she was given the power to nominate 2 people to be on the chopping block.

I don't understand why people think they are all so slef serving all the time, I have a feeling a lot of us would have pretty strong emotions if we were deciding to nominate someone, yes there are some bad times but these hgs are pretty darn close, even if some of them don't like each other.

Tonight I listened to a couple old MP3s I had of the "weekly meetings" during BB II. One was Shannons swan song and the other was Kents.

Those people HATED each other, there were no tears shed there.

The shannon meeting (Shannon & Will were up) ended with Hardy and Shannon ripping into each other (Shannon "too bad so sad" to hardy about the toothbrush).

The Kent meeting (Kent and Will nominated) ended up with Kent storming out of the room after ripping hardy a new orifice.

This year, on the whole, the HGs have really gotten along a lot better so I can understand the tears at times.

Soo... was Amy lying? No (imho)
Is she deluded? No again.

Wendo

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, it's revenge, that was clear in tonight's show. She may not USE the word "revenge", but it was. No doubt about it.

As far as her crying, she was weally, weally worried that wittle Woddy would hate her.

Poor girl....not.

Floresmama

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't really think it was revenge per se. It was more that Amy thinks that Chiara is white trash and that she is not someone that she would ever associate with in her real life.

Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was clearly revenge. Amy said on tonight's show that she couldn't believe that Chiara was still on the show. To her that's an insult. See the second meaning of the word below. She thinks that Chiara was behind her eviction as well.

Main Entry: re·venge

1 : to avenge (as oneself) usually by retaliating in kind or degree
2 : to inflict injury in return for <revenge an insult>

Kyline

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LMAO Ryn!! I just listened to the mp3 of Kent's tirade at that Monday Meeting, a few days ago. I'd forgotten just how...tense LOL...that house got. Everyone this year, while MUCH more entertaining in my book, is quite a bit calmer.

It's hard to believe there are still 8 houseguests remaining, though. Can't wait to see how things get when there are only five of them left:)

Sanfranjoshfan

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Ryn....it wasn't "revenge"...Amy isn't exacting vigilante justice on Chiapit as an act of retribution. She just plain HATES her! However, one could conceivably argue that she nominated Roddy out of "revenge" since he nominated her and at the meeting said it was because "It's time for Amy to go. I also nominated Marcellas simply because he is a vote for Amy." Now *that's* something to seek out revenge over. Just having no respect for Chia and the fact they are both so catty to one another is different.

Hating Chiapit is not "revenge"... those two are like a cobra and a mongoose, born to do battle, and I think the southern mongoose has an edge over the Yankee snake in this particular fight to the death.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay I"ll retract my statement that nominating Chiara was Revenge. I suppose intense hatred would be better fit.

Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's intense hatred *and* revenge. Hatred is an emotion and revenge is an act. Amy acted on her feelings of hatred for Chiara and exacted revenge on her as a result. I've have to agree to disagree with some here on that one.