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Bernie

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 03:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Squaredsc! That would make Hardy the Balrog-the mind boggles

Silksmoke

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 03:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I must be REALLY old, the first time I heard of trolls was in the story of Billy Goat Gruff. Trolls are also trouble makers who come into chat rooms to disrupt chat and in general make everyone miserable. They usually end up getting put on "iggy".

I didn't know about the unkind reference to older gay men, I thought Marcellas was just stating that Gerry was a disruptive nuisance, or a goat eater.

Realfan

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 04:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, Mary, Wishniks was only one of the brands of troll dolls. Wishniks were probably made in China and were definitely made of a less sturdy plastic than the Denmark-made DAM troll dolls (DAM was the manufacturer, not a swear word). I used to have ones that baked too long in the sun, and their necks split open. I don't think tbat describes Gerry, though.... And if I played "swimming pool" with them, their hair fell out and you could see inside their heads.(That MIGHT describe Gerry.)

Mak1

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 04:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This thread has taught me more meanings than I would ever have believed there were for "troll". Real, I used to collect the DAM things from Denmark, my kids collected Wishniks (faux DAMs). I missed it if anyone posted this, but trolling for fish is when you lower your bait into the water and ride around in the boat, dragging the line, the fish chases the bait.........but I digress, lol. Marcellas should be ashamed of his unkindness. (Of course, the same can be, and has been, said about many other BB HGS.)

Whit4you

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 07:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well sigh - don't wanna start another thread - figured maybe Gerry fans might be reading this one..

Anyone else bummed that Gerry might be going? I really would like to see him make it to the final two - dont' care if he wins the 500 g's or the 50 g's. 50 g's would be good for him (he has a nice house doesn't look like he's hurting for $$)

I just would like to see him make it to the final two because he was such a target since week one..and he's gone through so much and when he gets out and reads all the horrible thigns said by him by the HGs it will hurt him I think.

I just hope somehow someway - he can find his way to these boards and realize just how much support he has had. Sorta suprises me in a way - but he really has few 'haters' on the boards and many many pro-Gerry people.

Wonder if we could get someone with some strings to make sure that Gerry knows how much support he had out here ...sheryl..or sherball..or kent - someone who could get in touch with Gerry if he is evicted this week....?

Anyhow - I just wanna say - I hope he stays. And hope he is 2nd place at least.

Neokat

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 07:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit- it would be the greatest comeback. I,too really don't see him in the final 2 but would like to see him win a great luxury prize like a car or 50g's. He has not lost his cool yet being called all of those disgusting names and that in itself is to be commended!!!!

Maris

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 07:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry has no clue what is being said about him. It was obvious in his conversation with Jason that he has no clue what is going on in the house. The only way Gerry is going to find out what is being said about him is if he does hit all the boards or watches the tv show reruns.

Hosewater

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, if Gerry and Marcellas meet up again on the jury, I hope Gerry confronts him on air about the nasty, snide, immature comments.

Marcellas is the worst kind of human being.

What a little little man.

Maris

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And then again, Marcellas may actually confront Gerry about his speech when he vetoed his nomination. As Marcellas said to Jason today, no matter which angle you looked at that speech from, it was pretty insulting. That was the beginning of the end of Marcellas and Gerry. Everyone talks about Gerry saving Marcellas, well its how he saved him and what he said that insulted Marcellas. I think Marcellas has gone over the top with Gerry sometimes but I can understand why Marcellas and Danni feel so strongly against Gerry.

Gerry is no saint. He is the prison B**ch who played the wrong card today because once again he misread the house. So au revoir Gerry.

Hosewater

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ahhh, I see. You're right, Maris.

Gerry's two-minute speech at the beginning of this game certainly deserves five weeks of non-stop verbal manure from Marcellas' hate-filled mouth.

From now on, whenever Marcellas calls Gerry a troll or a b*tch, or wishes painful death upon him, or makes fun of Gerry's wife (whom Marcellas has never even met), then I will simply shrug and say, "Gee, Gerry deserves everything he gets because of that two-minute speech he gave."

My apologies to all for thinking otherwise.

Maris

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry will be gone this week anyway so Marcellas wont be calling him names much longer. The two minute speech he gave was both condescending to African Americans and to Gays. Since Marcellas is both I can see why he would not get over it as quickly as someone who didn't fall into those socio groups. He gave a very detailed explanation today to Jason about why he was so upset about that speech and I dont blame him. As Marcellas said it came down to two things and both of them were disgusting options. It told Marcellas what he needed to know about Gerry the person. For me I started to dislike Gerry when I saw that speech. I found it disgusting, obviously some people didnt find it offensive but some did.

Bbrules4ever

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
what if marcellus wins the veto and DOESNT save Gerry? That would be to Cruel :(

Hillbilly

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
..well's i seen Gerry's speech when's they showed it and whiles it may have been in poor taste i's don't think he meant it the way it sounded. And that still don't justify the treatment he has received..

Ifn Marci were a real man he would have addressed the issue with Gerry right off the bat and gotten things settled. It's petty, childish, and small to treat another person in the fashion that Marci has been doing.

...It don't matter ifn yu's right, ifn yu's get down in the mud and wrestle, yu's both gets up dirty.

Hosewater

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, you are soooo right! His speech was condescending! How could I not see it.

I forgive Marcellas every one of the literally thousands of nasty immature childish insults he has flung at Gerry BEHIND HIS BACK.

If Marcellas were to, for some reason, actually cause physical harm to Gerry (something Marcellas has already wished for), I would be the first one to call for Marcellas' acquittal.

God forbid anyone should be unintentially condescending to the almighty Marcellas.

You go girl, give 'em more hell Marcellas. Don't stop until Gerry is so humiliated he kills himself.

Maris

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Someone gave a speech that I considered racist and homophobic I would not get over it in five weeks. Marcellas considered the speech demeaning to him and he also felt that Gerry perpetuated it by constantly saying he was his mentor. The fact also is that Marcellas is the only one who spoke to Gerry that morning outside the house about his hygiene issues. When Gerry thanked him Marcellas said to him dont thank me I am one of the worst in the house. People applauded Marcellas for his forthrightness with Gerry.

Marcellas said it today he said that he hated Gerry and he also said he saw in Gerry's eyes that Gerry hated him. We are not there, but Gerry is not stupid and I think he hates Marcellas as much as Marcellas hates him. If Gerry were a real man he would have addressed the issue with everyone in the house but he didnt. Gerry just sits there and makes his deals, smiles his smarmy smile and it did him in.

He read the house wrong when he went to Jason and said evict Amy, nominate Amy and Amy has to go. Everyone else in that house went to Jason and said nominate who is best for you.

Maris

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It is a game folks, I dont think Gerry is going to commit suicide over comments made behind his back nor do I think that Marcellas is going to murder Gerry. If Gerry did commit suicide then his wife would have a case against CBS for allowing someone so obviously mentally unstable to participate in the game.

Hosewater

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, okay. I think you are alone in your logic that Marcellas is a better human being than Gerry.

If Gerry is truly a racist and a homophobe, then I will eat Chiara's thong.

Hosewater

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You misunderstood me, Maris. In much the same way that Marcellas misunderstood Gerry's Veto speech.

Marcellas seems to be the kind of person who will verbally abuse someone and not stop until that person is so humiliated, so belittled, so emotionally BEATEN, as to satisfy Marcellas' lust to appear bigger and better than everyone else around him.

Maris

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I never said Marcellas is a better human being, what I said is I understand why marcellas hated Gerry and why he was upset with him. One doesnt have to say Marcellas is a better person in order that they dislike Gerry. I have said in more than one thread that Marcellas has gone over the top with Gerry. I also understand why Marcellas and Danni dislike him and I found his "two minute" speech offensive.

I do think that Gerry has racist tendencies. Condescension is just as bad as overt racism and he is condescending regarding race and also the poor challenged kids he teaches.

Hillbilly

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
...so has marci ever told Gerry that he was offended by the speech....i's really get's annoyed when i's does somethin to someone and don't means to hurt them and they's won't tell me what's i did so's i can make it better...most of us aren't mind readers and its not fair to expect everyone to knows when's our feelins has been hurt.

I don't see this man Gerry as a racist. I's sees an older man tryin to relate to a bunch of young people and jest not doin it very well. Gerry is not a man with hate in his eyes or his heart....

He jest needs to polish his people skills...my guess would be that he usually has his wife around to help him out and she's not there so's he's a wingin it....

Vicious gossip and character assasination behinds someones back is never justified as far as i'm concerned...if you have a problem with someone, yu's go to them and get it settled or yu's move on...

Hosewater

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Final word on this...

You are basing your opinion of Gerry as a racist/homophobe on one poorly spoken speech.

I am basing my opinion of Marcellas as a hate-filled bigot man-child on five weeks of his dirty mouth spewing mental manure about every member of the house, including his so-called friends.

Hey, at least Marcellas is an equal-opportunity bigot. He has demeaning things to say about everyone: white, black, yellow, fat, skinny, male, female....

Maris

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree hillbilly, you go to the person or you move on. Marcellas is not the only one in the house guilty of that and in fact Marcellas is the only one who took Gerry aside to speak of the hygiene issues. He told Gerry that he didnt want Gerry voted out for reasons he wasnt aware of. None of the other HGs did that.

I am not justifying Marcellas saying some of the things that he has said about Gerry I am just saying I understand why Marcellas doesnt like him. I dont think Gerry is a saint as is the overwhelming feeling on this board. Anyway that is all I have to say till Thursday.

Hosewater

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nobody thinks Gerry is a saint...

Just compared to the other houseguests, he is indeed a saint!

Hillbilly

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
..true..he told him about the hygiene but he ain't never said to Gerry that the speech was poor. Gerry is most likely probably gonna go a stickin his foot in his mouth again less'n someone say's ...ya know Gerry, that's jest don't sound right...i's jest think Gerry doesn't realize how's he comes across...in fact, i's expect he would feel bad knowin that that's how it sounded...

Maris

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My final point, how can one criticize Marcellas for his name calling when this is how the house guests are characterized on this board. If marcellas had said this would you be upset?

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If Gerry is evicted, there won't be anyone left to root for.

Roddy the flashing porn connoisseur?
Lisa the navel orgasmer?
Danielle the backstabber?
Marcellas the death wisher?
Amy the alcoholic cackler?
Jason the convenient Christian?

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If that isnt nasty bashing I dont know what is. The secret must be that as long as it isnt Gerry everyone else is fair game.