GERRY - what is your opinion???
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GERRY - what is your opinion???
Kitty54 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:19 pm     Sorry, I should have said, no Jerry did not use the veto. |
Earthmother | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:26 pm     obviously you see an ugliness about him that I don't Maris. To each his own I guess. |
Woodpecke® | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:33 pm     Education is something that all people should strive to attain. I would expect far more from Roddy and Gerry than the gibberish they have served us EVERY SINGLE DAY. Gerry is 51, with a lifetime of experience and knowledge. "He who is without sin shall cast the first stone" is hardly the thing I expect from a teacher with credentials much higher than his peers in this game. |
Maris | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:39 pm     "Perhaps he should teach them how to remove the front seats of their cars so they will have more room in the backseat to do what they do best...lol" - earthmother Earthmother I was responding to your post earlier. I guess you only want to see ugliness in other HGs but Gerry should be immune????? I follow the equal time approach. If you can dish it you can take it. |
Earthmother | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:41 pm     I agreed to each his own... |
Earthmother | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:43 pm     Also I don't see anything ugly about hanging out in the backseat, did it myself many times when I was a kid..lol |
Allietex | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:47 pm     Scarlett, Speaking as a former elementary teacher of 30 years let me say that ADD is real. It affects many children but your are right. It is often used as a scapegoat for children who do not fit into the "norms" of behavior. I have a real problem with using medications but at the same time I have seen them work wonders. My kids that have been on meds have ranged from zombie reactions to bright motivated delightful children. I feel if the meds do not produce the latter then they are being misused and something else needs to be tried. Don't ever give up on your child. Let him know you love him and appreciate him just as he is and try to work with the teachers to find a solution. Of course the drawback is that you find one teacher you can work with and the next year bam your child has to adjust to a new teacher who is often not as receptive. Good Luck! |
Loppes | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:49 pm     Maris, Why remove the seats? Most car seats recline all the way back now. Lon |
Maris | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:52 pm     OMG, I have never hung out in car seats. What was wrong with me. I always thought only trash did that sort of thing, you know like Tonya. Didnt she do the car seat thing? I was of the mind that if a man cared for you he would respect you too much for that sort of activity. I must be the prude of all prudes. |
Hermione69 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:55 pm     I respect Gerry a lot. I don't really get the arguments of people who don't. For example, his being labelled a voyeur for being interested in the sex talk and actions of the previous evening... I don't know any heterosexual male who wouldn't be fascinated by it. Heck, I'm a heterosexual female, and I was fascinated by it! His veto speech, my heavens, how long ago was that and it is still one of the only things people can trot out as to why they don't like him? I'm not even going to go down the hygiene argument path; its been discussed in too many other posts already! BUT, like Earthmother said, to each his own. I know that's where I am coming from and those of you who DON'T like Gerry probably don't get my arguments as to why I do. BTW, where did you hear he was a shop teacher? I thought he was special education? Now I have worked in secondary schools for 8 years now and I have heard of shop teachers and I have heard of special education teachers, but I have never heard of a special education shop teacher! Not that there's anything wrong with that! :-) |
Loppes | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:55 pm     Maris, Come to me darling, I have a king size bed. Lon |
Earthmother | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:55 pm     We never did anything, it was just easier to see the movie from the backseat..lol |
Earthmother | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:03 pm     Actually many Special Ed Teachers in middle schools also teach electives in the mainstream program for a period per day. Many times Special Ed becomes difficult after so many years and some teachers will go to mainstream teaching and then go back to sp. Ed later. There are many proceedures (meetings, paperwork, program modifications, etc.) that are required by Sp. Ed teachers that are not required of mainstream teachers and once in a while a break is needed. Gerry has mentioned he is very involved with his union and may not actually be teaching Sp. Ed right now due to time constraints. |
Hermione69 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:16 pm     Huh. Well, whaddya know. Thanks for enlightening me. I've only worked in two schools, one middle and one high, but in both elective courses are taught only by elective teachers. And here I thought I KNEW EVERYTHING! (not!!!) |
Guiltyviewer | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:22 pm     Hermione69, sorry that slot has already been taken (just ask Roddy)! j/k folks so don't get ugly on me!! |
Woodpecke® | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:33 pm     Gerry spent a lot of time preparing that simplistic veto speech of Marcellus. He framed it in a way that was supposed to define him as a person and as a thoughtful human being. It was dismally embarrassing. He even took special care to bring his 2 nephews into the discussion. So, do not tell me that it was a long time ago and we should forget it entirely. He wanted it to be remembered as a reason for people to respect him. He simply could have said, "I save Marcellus". |
Scarlett | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:37 pm     Earthmother....thanks. I created a folder thanks to your help. Please send information that you had. Allitex. I agree that ADD is real but misdiagnosed. Here is my real problem. The teachers tell me to get him counseling...I do. But I seriously think my child plays these people. I try to get these psychologists not to talk around him but they do. He listens to what they say, and then later repeats what he hears to the teachers as to why he is not "performing well". That is what worries me the most. He is smart enough to listen to what they are saying, then apply it to make sure his behavior can be forgiven because he has "this disorder". I guess I should ask you to reply to my folder under Topics, members....as I am sure the other people are getting bored of this discussion. I appreciate all the advice though. |
Hermione69 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:39 pm     Sorry Wood, I respect your opinion and even agree that he was pompous, but I still don't get it as a reason to eternally dislike him. My interpretation of his motives is also different from yours. Oh well! I really need to get to bed now... it is way past my bedtime.... Help me... I am addicted to this message board! |
Auntie | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:02 pm     I admire Gerry for two game reasons: (1) he had the guts to use the veto, even if his speech was overblown & perhaps contrived to look good; (2) he had the guts to nominate a couple for eviction. However, I admire him most for how he has dealt with the attacks leveled at him in this game. One of his personal habits caught the attention of Danielle & the other girls and led to the confrontationn between Dani & Lori. Although he took the personal criticism well, he was not given any credit for his graciousness. He defused the situation & everyone started targeting him behind his back. What fun! They could enjoy shredding someone to bits and not run the risk of having someone nicely accepting the criticism. Both Eric and Marsellas brought some hygiene problems to Gerry's attention. He listened. He thanked them. They went back and continued to complain. I believe the houseguests thought they could goad him into losing his temper. No one has mentioned to Gerry that he's improved. Personally, I think Gerry has been not only restrained but constrained. Trying to be on his best behavior may be the initial cause of his pompous tale-telling. How could he act naturally around this bunch of nitpickers? They've sneered at his hygiene, at his clothes, at his walk, at his comments, at his gamemanship, at his quotes. As a teacher, he probably knows perfectly well their attitude toward him. He has been a target since that veto speech because the others wanted to bring down a person (1) who had the game to go against an alliance and (2) who had the game not to be provoked by a personal attack. |
Allietex | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:59 pm     I seem to remember Marcy encouraging Gerry and prompting him about his veto speech before it happened. Then after he was all afronted by it. I think he just doesn't want to be indebted to Gerry and uses the attacks to justify why he doesn't owe Gerry anything. Maybe Gerry is pompus but he is not mean or vicious. I'll take pompus anyday over mean and viscious. |
Glennknj | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 06:26 am     I wanted to like Gerry since he is close to my own age. I didn't like to see him in the initial alliance but nobody in that room could have said no without a backlash against himself. (Had to be the worst conceived alliance in reality show history). So I was happy when he plotted against them when he saw Amy booted out and Roddy put in her place. Then he made that speech. Although I was happy that he took Marcellas off the hook, the speech struck me as pompous and needlessly dramatic. When I saw it a second time, I saw what Marcellas (and Danielle) saw. His speech, with the drama, was insulting, although not meant to be. He made it sound as though Marcellas needed extra help because he was black (and gay). Gerry could have delivered the same message by simply saying that he felt they may have been hasty in nominating Marcellas because he was different from the majority of them in the house, even if was on a subconscious level, and that he would like to get to know Mar better. Gerry has since proved to be an unsanitary, pompous guy who knows alot of useless information with little interpersonal skills, otherwise known as the classic bore. I would avoid him at parties for sure. |
Allietex | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 07:57 am     I don't think Gerry's speech was about Marcelles at all. I think it was about Gerry. He was apologizing for doing something he felt was wrong. How many of us would get up in front of na tional tv and admit to what he did? And look how it has cost him. Everyone says they don't think Gerry meant his speech the way it sounded but they can't cut him any slack. Maybe his speech was not well done but gee whiz give the man credit for trying to right a wrong. And maybe all of us sound pompus at times. I probably sound so right now. I still think Marcelles indignation was phony because he could have said something before the speech when Gerry was telling what he intended to do and say. He didn't because he wanted to stay and Gerry was his best hope. I have very little sympathy for Mar. I liked him at first but I have lost all liking for him. |
Crazydog | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:34 am     Re my feelings about Gerry and his speech. Yes, the speech was a long time ago. But as is often said first impressions are everything, especially in a game like this. That was one of the first things I saw about him, and on me at least it formed a very negative impression. It was long winded and embarrassing. All he could have said was, "I don't feel comfortable with how quickly we jumped at the nomination of Marcellas. I think he is a good person and he deserves a chance for us to get to know him. I am vetoing his nomination." Instead he launches into an overly pompous and didactic discourse about casting stones and his two beautiful black nephews. I cringe each and every one of the 8 billion times they have replayed it. I have tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I found that the teacher tone he utilized during that speech has continued throughout the entire game. I feel like he is always trying to instruct everyone on the mysteries of life. Yes he's a teacher and probably can't help it but there's a time when it's just better to keep your mouth shut. Personal hygiene aside, he has given me little to like. In addition to the fact he is completely uninteresting, I don't like the way he is playing the game. He has survived from week to week simply because people are keeping him around because they think nobody likes him and would never vote for him in the end (the "Will" factor). His main strategy is to suck up to people and appear to be helpful. He tries way too hard. I saw him barge into the HRD to interrupt a private strategy conversation to tell them that they had oil but no eggs. As has been stated in other posts, everyone has a different opinion. Mine is that I don't care for Gerry. That speech is going to follow him for the rest of his life. |
Allietex | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:41 am     I have seen almost every hg barge in on others having conversations. Dani broke in on R and C last night when they were having a very private conversation and just stood there. If that is a problem with Gerry it is with everyone. I believe the only houseguest that has not made rude,vicious, pompus ,or boring statements is Jason. At least Gerry is not vicious like most of them. Sorry but I just think Gerry has gotten a bum rap because of one mistake and the rest of it is bogus. His hygiene has been no worse than the others. |
Crazydog | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:45 am     So you admit that the speech was a mistake? Perhaps I am being overly harsh, but a lot of times in life you don't get second chances. I did give Gerry a chance, I just found that my impression of him was unchanged. |
Squaredsc | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:07 am     thank u kitty54, i know im kinda late.  |
Allietex | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:26 pm     Of course the speech was a mistake. It was poorly planned and poorly presented. What I am saying is that I believe his motives and reasons were good and admirable. It was also a mistake as far as the game was concerned because he let his guily feelings put him into a position from which he has never recovered. The wisest and easiest thing for him to have done as far as playing the game was to say nothing and let Marcy be evicted and dwelt with his guilt later. However, he chose not to. He chose to do what he thought was right and he has been kicked in the teeth for it over and over. Sorry if I sound like I am forever defending him but I still think he has gotten a raw deal. |
Crazydog | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:50 pm     Allie, I agree with you that he had good motives and admirable intentions. But he could have stated his decision succinctly with a better choice of words without belittling the other players and making them look bad. I do agree that he has never recovered from this mistake, at least in my mind. However, in this game, one mistake can be costly. Lori made a mistake over the pee hands, blew up at Dani and was evicted. Tonya made a mistake over what she thought she heard, blew up at Amy and Marc and was evicted. Josh made a mistake by blowing up at Roddy and was evicted. These mistakes are evident. In addition, Roddy made a costly mistake by keeping Gerry when he was HoH. Had he nominated Gerry, Gerry would have been evicted and Roddy does not lose Eric the next week. Roddy and Eric would have been in firm control of the game. Danielle made a mistake by tipping her hand too early. She has also erred by making boasts in the diary room that evicted players will see. I guess my point is that everyone makes mistakes, but in this game if you want to succeed you cannot afford any. |
Allietex | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:55 pm     And the biggest weirdest mistake of them all. Chi nominates Josh and Roddy! She should have nom Dani and Jason or any of the others on Dani's team. Then Josh would still be there, Roddy might not be so mad at her, Eric would have more than likely come back in than Amy, and Dani's team would have been at least one less. Glad she did, but Really! Love this show these people make more mistakes than I do! |
Woodpecke® | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 04:31 pm     I think that the only motive that Gerry had for making that speech was to make Gerry feel better about himself. It was weird and without any logic. You are right, it will follow him the rest of his life. Just plain goofy. |
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