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Robhal | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:03 pm     I've been lurking on this message board for quite a while now, ever since the first Big Brother, if I recall correctly. For the most part, I've enjoyed coming here because I like to keep myself updated on things that go on in the house that aren't televised, and the members of this site to a wonderful job of summarizing what goes on in the house. However, one thing that I've noticed is the insane amount of hypocrisy on this board, and it is something that I would just like to comment on. Now, I'm a regular poster at another online bulletin board, on a completely different subject mind you, and over there we like to encourage criticism, because it's what is essential to debate and discussion, but we don't tolerate what we call bashing. We consider people who bash as people who show hatefulness and real negativity towards something or someone. Bashing goes beyond criticism as it tires purposely to bring down something or someone by insulting them, etc... Now, I've noticed quite a bit of bashing on this board, and it is so hyprocritical that I can't believe others don't see it. For example, just a while ago, I was reading a post saying something along the lines of "I can't believe the way ChiWhora acts. She's so mean," etc... You know what I'm talking about, it's all over the board. Well can't you see the hyprocrisy in that? There are members here who are acting the same way they are criticizing Chiara for acting! To tell you the truth, from what I've seen, I personally think that Chiara would be above something like calling someone ChiWhora... Like, I wonder... do people actually take comfort by insulting others? I've never figured that out... And it's happened on all three Big Brothers. I remember when it was Jordan (who so many bashed because she was a stripper, but never looked at other things about her, like the fact that she was a triathlete, etc...) or "J-ME" as many so "lovingly" called her. (I don't know what it was about her that got people so upset... the jealousy bug perhaps... who knows?) Last year, I can recall when ChillTown was synonymous with Nazis... how many people jumped onto the Will bandwagon after hating him so much initially? It's stuff like that that really annoys me about this board. People are constantly bashing the show's contestants without even thinking. I remember about a week ago I was reading some negative comments about Chiara or Tonya being emotional. I'm like... WTF? Show me a woman who doesn't get emotional! There is so many things that people say without even thinking... everything is blown out of proportion... There are so many more examples I could bring up, but I think you get my drift... I'm sure you most of you would act differently from your true personallity if you were isolated in a house like that, constantly being monitored and always surrounded by the same people... I was watching the live feeds tonight, and it was quite a pleasant night... they ALL seemed to be genuinely enjoying each other... but I'm sure there were some who were watching, eagerly waiting for something to jump on them for... |
Goddess146 | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:08 pm     This board is exceptionally mild mannered compared to most of the BB3 boards. |
Max | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:10 pm     If you've been on other boards, then you've probably discovered that the "bashing" here is not nearly as terrible as it is elsewhere. It is impossible to watch a show like BB3 on 24/7 live feeds and not have opinions, some of them biased and harsh based on peoples' own experiences. It is especially difficult to be "fair" to this group of HGs when they talk about such graphic sexual antics and make backstabbing a fine art form. If you are looking for a board where all people do is talk about how wonderful these people are and how nice they are and how it would be really cool to meet them someday... well, good luck finding that happy place. I think it would be pretty boring. Good debate is interesting. Yes, sometimes folks get a little carried away in name-calling, but lots of times they are simply mimicing what they see in the BB3 house. The whole point of BB3 is to put people in a stressful situation where everything gets blown out of proportion and then let a bunch of voyeurs (that would be us) go crazy commenting on all of it. If there wasn't conflict, both in and out of the house, there would be no viewers. Just my opinion. I guess I don't understand what your point is unless you want everyone to play nice all the time, which I think is very unrealistic. |
Gouraphik | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:11 pm     I'm afraid that's human nature. Hypocrisy, stupidity, the seven deadly sins, all of it. In my mind, to deny that we're all capable of being hypocrites is the real act of hypocrisy. So be it. Now, I prefer this board for discussing BB3 because it's well organized and the moderators work very hard to keep the place civil and on topic. Any bashing, when it gets too vulgar and personal, gets taken care of. Otherwise, everybody's fair game, and that's the way I like it. Long live BBFC/TVCH! |
Cute1073 | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:12 pm     Robhal, I completely agree with you. I've tried to point out that some things that are said are mean and often it gets justified by saying that it's not as mean as....whoever houseguest. Mostly I have given up on any threads whose themes seem to be about bashing someone and bringing personal feelings into what really is just a game, one bad one (i think) is the CCCC thread. I just don't understand how people can have over 100 posts about exactly the same bashing. Anyway, i think you're brave for starting this thread...and i'm with you all the way baby. |
Cyn | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:18 pm     oh, come on, give us a break, please. the whole premise of bb (to me) is about gossiping and who can do it best without getting caught, with a few that try to play moderaters, not the mods. we are just mimicking the show and playing with wit. i find this to be a mild and happy board overall. |
Dagny | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:23 pm     While I don't think calling chiara, Chi-whora is overly nice....it was not until the show tonight that I actually heard her being called that. I don't think it is entirely fair to blame the posters here. You could blame Amy for saying it...blame CBS for airing it...and blame Chiara for referring to herself as one. But the posters here didn't make up that name on their own...not that I know of.... ?? I guess I could be wrong and have missed this post. |
Aylana | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:24 pm     JMO, but this is thread is not about the show or the houseguests and just maybe should be moved to outside the house.... It's an interesting topic, and some might really enjoy debating it... but then again some might think this is a potentially volatile topic, the idea of being so personal as to criticize each other... postively or negatively... it remains off topic to the purpose of this board, as I understood the terms to read. Why would it be on topic to flame each other? Do not let this get a foothold... move it is my advice... lol You can tell me to be quiet now...hehe |
Snee | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:26 pm     that's a pretty wide brush, robhal. |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:27 pm     I think they are showing Brady Bunch Reruns again. |
Gouraphik | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:29 pm     I dunno. I find that some of the more apparently "vicious" threads are more like political cartoons. Yes, they're vicious, but they're sort of like caricatures...exaggerating certain aspects in order to make a point. You may disagree with the point made, but that doesn't make it invalid per se. If the argument's weak, rip it to shreds (in a civilized manner). This board is like the Fox News Channel (albeit with more than one point of view...LOL). It's loud, boisterous, and entertaining as hell. |
Lurknomore | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:33 pm     Let's look at my pal Arnie's casting. He choose controversial people and every show has stirred the pot and created a real life soap opera. By discussing it as we have, we are only doing what Arnie has presented us with. The entire premise of this show is to look at the HG's. I think for the most parts comments have been fair and relatively respectfully done. I find most putdowns have been more than justified by a HG's actions. How many bashing posts have you seen about Jason? Why? Because what is there to bash (mercifully). So I think we all are just responding to what we are presented with. Oh and PS, I always think before I bash |
Dagny | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:42 pm     I think we need to keep in mind that the original post was only worried about Chiara. (Tonya got grouped in) I have seen all the HG's bashed on this board. If this board is non bashing...then be so..if not...then it has seemed equal to me. Either this poster is trying to start trouble...or a friend or relative of Chiara.. (If you are a friend...you be better off starting a topic.. "I love Chiara" I am sure you would get alot of positive support. |
Sisalou | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:42 pm     In a "perfect" world there would have been no need for this thread but Gosh Darn its not a perfect world. I come here to amuse myself. I honestly don't think there is anything to get so worked up over. Its a television show for Goodness sakes. Besides that how boring would it be if we all had the same opinion. Yawn! If I was so sensitive that I got ticked off everytime someone posted something I didn't like I know I wouldn't bother coming here. (waiting to see if this get moderated ) The moderators do a wonderful job of keeping this board from becoming too mean spirited. I like this place and think its one of best discussion boards I have seen yet for BB3. |
Scorpiomoon | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 12:50 am     Cyn hit the nail on the head. This is a game that many of us are passionate about. Maybe the way many of us behave here is a mirror of our behavior in real life. But I would suspect many of us just get wrapped up in the game--are drawn in by the fervor the hgs themselves create--and sometimes things are taken too far. All in all, I think people here have proven to be decent human beings who are expressive yet compassionate as well. And trust me, speaking as someone who has been around here for the past three years, I think I can make an accurate observation. |
Alegria | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 07:14 am     This is a very interesting place and there are sooo many differing opinions. I love reading what you people have to say (often much better than I would myself). Don't stop being honest and 'putting it out there'! Compared to some other sites, this place is really generous in the different ways it provides for posters to participate. At different times I have different threads that I follow and enjoy reading. After the show I love coming back here and seeing how everyone responded. TVCH is definitely habit forming. |
Dixiebelle31 | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 07:19 am     And here I was thinking about dropping heaps of praise on this board. This board is a breath of fresh air compared to the one I used to go to all the time. Those people were so rude and hateful to the houseguests and to other posters. They thrived on who could be the most nasty and hateful and then praised the posters AND moderators for being that way. That board really "SUCKED". So, I am in love with this board which seems to be a nice intelligent group of adults. |
Amac | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 07:24 am     My take? Yes there is a lot of bashing on this board and sometimes so much of it that it becomes tiresome. I don't usually sense, though, that the bashing is truly mean-spirited. We joined TVCH because we are passionate about reality TV. That passion is often evident in our posts. Posts expressing sympathy for Amy's situation are just as passionate as any bashing I've seen here. Bottom line: we respect BB3 as a concept and a show. We don't hesitate to point out what we think are flaws. |
Twiggyish | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 07:28 am     Rob, if you don't like something, change it. I see you have quite an opinion of us here. So, why not become a part of our group and become a solution. |
Amac | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 07:33 am     An addendum to my post above: The bashing on this board does not extend, thankfully, from one TVCH member to another. I've belonged since BB2 and I have yet to see one member flame another or launch any personal attacks against another member. I've belonged to online communities where flaming one another was rampant and I'm pleased this has never been my experience here. |
Strkaholic | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 07:36 am     Dixie..I'm with you..I am mostly a lurker and post to live feeds when I can, but prefer this board to any others this year and certainly last year..Jokers was the worst for hateful comments about the HG's and other posters and I swore that I would never go back and have not...I don't even know if they exist this year and could not care less. I am opinionated like everyone else, but I try to refrain from posting in any thread about a HG I don't like (not that I always refrain, I do have bad days), but when I do, I try not to say anything I would not want said about me. I have found that even when the posters here post against a HG, it is done intelligently and seemingly without malice in most cases, so it does not bother me. The only thing that does bother me is that the HG's will read some or most of the bad things said about them and I don't care how secure you are,it still hurts. I know they put themselves out there to be discussed, but it still bothers me. I do believe still that this is the best board around for discussion of my favorite reality shows, so I don't go elsewhere. Thanks again for the moderators who do such a wonderful job! |
Katrina | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 07:53 am     A range of interesting and valid points. I have only two to add: 1. With rare exception, we are not the houseguests' personal friends. They put themselves on TV, and that does make for a different relationship. 2. This board is more interesting and intelligent than the show this year. |
Abigail1970 | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:04 am     I think that it's great to have a place to come discuss the show and HG's. While I do admit sometimes I get a little riled up when folks make baseline assumptions on HGs and present them as facts. Regardless, this is a TV show and we can only speculate on the HGs based on what we see or hear and can not assume to know what these people are like out of the house. Having said that, some people are down right vicious in their attacks on HGs, like Tonya for instance. But all in all, I think its great! |
Auntiemike | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:06 am     I've lurked a lot and posted a little and rely totally on the information from this group to keep up with what is going on. I really appreciate ALL the information that is available. I find that if a subject doesn't suit me or fit my interest level I just skim the posts or do not read them at all. I can be selective about what I read, and.....I can make up my own mind about the various houseguests. I am willing to read others' opinions but in the final analysis, it is how I use the information to come up with my opinion that counts in my book only. If you can only read nice things about people then you need to find nice people somewhere to read about. They certainly aren't in the BB3 house! |
Earthmother | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:17 am     IMO the word bashing is not defined. My personal feeling is that when you discuss the acts of another it is not bashing, however when you blatently call someone something it is. Example Suzie is trash! would be bashing Suzie is behaving trashy! not bashing Behaviors can be discussed without mud slinging. Character assinations can not be discussed and generally only cause hard feelings and attacks on you. That's when Mods need to step in and that's why I prefer it here. I have also read the posts on other sites and I prefer this one. Who these people are outside the house is not my concern. How these people present themselves in the context of the game is my concern. If I want to discuss their behavior I can here without being sliced up unless another poster decides to take it personally and I can assure you it is stopped. |
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