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What555456

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One word about Jason with POV -- boring!

The game would have been more interesting this week and we would have learned something more about Jason if someone else had won, vetoed either of the nominations, and then Jason had to nominate another.

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree What555 this does nothing but feed both Roddy and Jasons ego in conroling the rest of the game for their benefit to achieve their own goals. BORING!

Hillbilly

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
...well's i's needs a borin week so's i can get some work done....i have ta confess i's spent way too much time readin the LFP last week when all's the doin's was goin on....

Bizee

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
same here Hillbilly. I suspect this week will be boring unless something 'scandalous' is found before the POV vote. well back to some yard and housework I guess.

Msnapsnap

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason will save Amy, Put Rod up for Nom and hopefully they vote him out.

Ketchuplover

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yo hillbilly what does Jed,granny,elly may & jethro think about BB3?

Jaysgal

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the clarity, Theo17, but that was not what you said earlier. You seemed to deny that any such conversation took place. Thanks for the clarity now. I will try to read all of the live feeds to be sure. And in that case, I stand corrected with complete details that are material to whether or not it was her idea.

And in that case, I am once again happy with Jason if it was not Danielle's idea nor Roddy's idea.

Snee

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
msnapsnap, that would be scandalous! perhaps jason said he wouldn't nom roddy, but not that he wouldn't use the veto against him. woo hoo!

Jaysgal

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Snee, the problem with that is, Jason is also the one to choose nomination. So, he would be breaking his words if he nominated Roddy at the moment. He could use the veto, but he couldn't nomincate Roddy still if he were to keep his word.

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But snee he would then have to NOMINATE him after using the veto. Dang we are all sooo funny trying to come up with ways to get Roddy outta that house but the truth is for this week the man aint goin no place. :)

Hermione69

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You guys make me laugh! :-) I do doubt that he uses it, and I could use a boring week also. I have been spending way too much time reading the LFPs and Discussions! I was just reading them today and thought to myself, "Dang, they are all getting along awfully well today!"

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag how does Jason playing the game make him a creep? Jeesh...everybody jumps on Jason for being boring. They refuse to see that he's been playing the game all along. Now that his playing is more visible he is deemed a backstabber and a creep.

May I remind you all that lying is part of the game. And Jason hasn't lied. He's manipulated the truth but he hasn't lied. But so what if had?!

He said in the DR that it would come to a point where he would have to lie. Doesn't mean he's not a nice guy. Doesn't mean he's not an ethical guy. Doesn't mean that he's not a religious guy. Doesn't mean anything except that he came to play.

ETA: Jaysgal thanks for the correction. I remembered she won the POV but wasn't real sure about the nominees.

Bigsister

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hillbilly, I know you are for real. Nobody but a real hillbilly would use "doings" as a noun. I bet you know what it means to be "stove up", too. LOL

Jaysgal

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63, it makes him a creep because he is not playing for Danielle's agenda, it seems. (Sarcasm.)

I am proud of Jason if this decision was really his decision. Again, I am sad to see Gerry go, especially as he did someone good but got nothing in return.

But on the good side, he lost some weight and perhaps has stopped some bad habits.

I know this is a good decision for Jason. He just needs Danielle to stay away from him. She's such a negative energy. I love Jason and would like to see him win the game, but it won't happen if Danielle is still around. I am so sure that Jason is capable of taking charge when he needs to, but something must provoke and motivate him. Danielle isn't that person to do so.

Msnapsnap

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Look at what Rod has been doing--backstabbing, planting doubts, etc., he knows that Jas won't nominate him. Rod has all of them chasing their tails and he is sitting there knowing he's going to win and will do anything, even pretend to cry when kiki left. the ony person close to him in the play acting category is Dani. Do R & D have a aliiance?

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wc I think what he pulled on Dani with these nominations was indeed the sign of a creep. I understand why he did it but it's still being a creep.

He formed an alliance with Dani weeks ago that centered on getting Roddy out. The boy even pulled her out of bed early one morning to utter these words. Then at the last minute he conveniantly brings up a weak promise to chiara to keep roddy safe for this week. That isn't being a creep? If he is soooo ethical why didn't he allow his first alliance priortiy over saving roddy this week? Why didn't he tell the truth? He wants Gerry out right now not Roddy! He privately gets off on playing the game with Roddy. He loves the challenge! So it is safe to say the kid is a creep. The only way he gets away with this betrayl ( and it is exactly that) is by hiding behind that bible and saying he owes chiara that promise. He even gets creepier by throwing up the fact that Dani can't nominate Roddy herself. He's known that all along and swore he would do the job for her. It's a creepy way to play. What he says he is all about makes it impossible to question in front of the others without looking like a fool! That too makes him a creep. He should not be immune to being called out or questioned for certain actions. We already know 2 people in the game think he's a liar. He denys it but has never taken it too the mat with those that call him a liar.

By the way "manipulating the truth" is called lying no matter how hard you try to spin it. A kid of 5 knows that. You over look it only when it's someone like Jason. The last ditch effort to salvage him would be to FINALLY suggest it's just a game. I've said that all along. But when Jason uses his promise to Chiara as the reason for saving the one person he promised to get rid of based on integrity then he is suggesting he hasn't lied. Thats when you cannot use the rules of the game to stand in his corner. He suggests he hasn't lied. He has lied. He lied to Dani.

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgirl give it a rest about Danis agenda... It has been Jasons "Agenda" to get rid of Roddy as well. We've all heard him. We know you don't like the woman but at least come up with something better than that. Jason said over and over and over and over... "Roddy must go" What did that wicked Dani do? Stick her hand up his God fearing ass and force the words out of his mouth? Come on give her some slack. Jason is a creep for not keeping his word to evict the guy. He didn't even nominate him. He could have at least allowed that and then still booted Gerry. He betrayed his first alliance which was with Dani. His montra to get out Roddy was long spoken before he promised Chiara he would keep Roddy safe. You think your boys got a chance at this game still? Hahahahah good luck to him. Even if he gets to the finals it will be these nominations that will have cost him the game. He betrayed his alliance! Not a smart deal! On top of everything else he is letting the one person stay in the game that his fellow alliance member feared the most. Yeah thats a real cool thing to do to his buddy. Lets see, last week that wicked witch Dani worked like a dog to make sure Jason wouldn't get nominated knowing that Roddy would attempt to get him booted and then Jason pays her back this way when he could have made a deal of safety with Gerry. Please tell me you aren't this jaded by that idiot! Your hero is probably the worst player in reality game show history since Colby.

Bmh

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
YAY C1mag..stick up for my Danielle! :)..I have no idea whats going on..I have been on vacation for a week..but give me a couple of hours and I will be back as a regular poster

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag: "He formed an alliance with Dani weeks ago that centered on getting Roddy out."

See, that's your first mistake. The alliance centered around them getting to the final two. They may have differing views about the best way to get there.

His personality makes him a creep because he is such a nice guy that people don't want to call him out and question him? Sounds like a pretty damn good deal to me. Saves him from telling people it's none of their business.

He hasn't lied. Lying implys that a promise has been broken and he didn't break any promises. Dani is the one that caused the current condition of Roddy still being in the house by her flip flopping and last minute change. Can't blame Jason for that one. It was a golden opportunity and it's not his fault that it was lost.

He is an equal partner in the alliance and has every right to assert his opinions and not follow Dani's "orders."

He didn't lie to Dani. He said he wanted to get Roddy out. He never PROMISED her that he would be the conduit by which that was achieved.

Face it C1Mag...Jason admitted in the DR that he would lie in this game. He hasn't yet. But he will. That doesn't make him a creep. That makes him a player.

Tabbyking

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i thought HoH couldn't get POV...what do i know?!

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wc you are completely wrong... the alliance was formed with a strong foundation shouting " Roddy must go" and when I get hoh " I will boot him" said by Jason. He loved the idea. Swore by it. In the end he LIED! He masked it with the chiara deal made days before this nomination. He's a creep for what he pulled. He waisted her time saying he would help get roddy out. There alliance was formed to protect themselves from him. Thats how they ended up together. Are you forgetting him busting through the hrd door and saying to dani, " Look at what he ( roddy) just did to amy. He is dangerous. He has too go" Now he doesn't even nominate him. CREEP!

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag...I beg to differ. The alliance was already intact when the discussion about Roddy was broached. The founding principle of the alliance was that Dani and Jason would help each other get to the final two. He didn't swear by anything. You're assigning words and deeds to Jason that just didn't take place. Your overexaggeration of the actual conversations are not accurate depictions of the facts.

Busting through the door? Gee you're getting awfully dramatic. He came in and pointed out his observations to Dani (because they were already in an alliance) to let her know how dangerous Roddy is.

Dani herself called off the last two opportunities to evict Roddy. Her call. Her decision. Jason abided by her decision. It's his turn to make a decision.

We could do this all day. You could make a point and I could counter point. I think I'm right. (Actually I'm convinced I'm right) And you think you're right (while I think you are misrepresenting the facts..even to yourself).

What555456

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It does seem kind of strange that the HOH can get POV. What's the point?

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey wc heres one for ya... He promised on the eve on nominations he would make sure and nominate the one person SHE fealt most threatned by. Uh he didn't end up doing that!! Holy crap the kids a liar. Proven point! NEXT!!!!

By the way he did bust through the hrd door. He couldn't believe that little game Roddy had played on Amy! I myself was taken back at the kids drama over the situation.

Shrike3000

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason is NOT Roddy's puppet, he is using Roddy to stay in the game and have a chance at winning just like he is using Dani.

Just like Dani and Roddy are using him, the whole game is everyone using everyone.

Jason thinks his best chances at staying are having both Dani and Roddy kinda on his side, and I can certainly see his point. Now, no matter who wins HOH next week he has angles to work to not get nominated. If he had put up Roddy, then Lisa or Dani would HAVE to win HOH or he was screwed, now he has a chance to survive no matter what.

I think his moves of late prove that he is NO ONE's puppet, and that he is truly playing this game both smartly, and for himself.