Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:39 pm     c1mag she is the only person outside of lisa I have seen cry over this stuff. She kept her word to amy knowing she was hurting herself. she cried over that and this. I think she gets a totally bum rap. i was pissed at her last week for not bumping roddy but now that I think about it maybe I should respect her more that she went with what amy wanted over what she wanted and neeeded. |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:45 pm     But wc you are skating around a PROMISE Jason made on the eve of this nomination... He said he would put up the one SHE was most threatned by. He didn't. Sure he has a right to nominate who he wants but then he shouldn't have said that too her. He should have kept his lying mouth shut! Thererfore he lied. Come on... Admit it... The boy LIED to her! No way of twisting it around... The boy LIED! Gotcha! You will never be able to say it wasn't a lie! He LIED to her. In this case WC you may be experiencing a first. YOU'RE wrong! It's killin ya LMAO!!! |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:48 pm     C1...are you aware that we are having this very same conversation in two separate threads? I answered this (and won) in the other thread. I'm right. You're wrong. Nananeebooboo! |
What555456 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:49 pm     Ok, let's admit he lied. So? What's your point? He has simply joined the game finally. (BTW, I am NOT a Jason fan because I think he is one big fake). |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:52 pm     Wc are you some special ed reject? You said he hasn't lied... It's clear he lied. Simply because he had the right to pick who he wanted is not the issue. He opened his mouth and said to her ... "Don't worry, I will make sure and nominate the one person you feel most threatned by" He ended up not doing it. Therefore he lied. You've won nothing but keep on repeating how he is able to play the game... DUH! But my point has been that the kid is a proven liar! It's a fact. Admit it! Doesn't mean he's the spawn of hell all it means is that he is indeed a liar. He played her! |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:52 pm     But he didn't lie,What. I proved my case. The jury came in and announced me the winner. He isn't fake. He's a nice guy playing a tough game. He never said he wouldn't lie. As a matter of fact he said it was getting to a point in the game where he was going to have to start lying. |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:55 pm     He lied Wc and you know he did. He didn't nominate the person that was Danis biggest threat. He told her he would and didn't. You've lost this one. However, I don't think he is a demon seed. My point has been he is a liar like all the others and creeped out on her for doing this. He should have kept it shut. His back tracking to cover for not putting up Roddy was pathetic. Lord please don't debate me on whether his is pathetic. I just don't wanna my fingers are hurting LOL |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:56 pm     jason even admitted lying weeks ago in private with danni. to say jason hasnt lied is ridiculous. He also stopped them from voting roddy out 2 weeks ago vs josh. He is a nice guy but he firmly planted a target on dannis back and if I was danni i would nominate him vs roddy next week. |
Wendo | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:01 pm     Posted in another thread, but relevant here too. Actually, to be factually correct, Dani only blew one of the chances to get rid of Roddy. That was last week with the flip flopping. The week before, Jason blew it by saying he would NOT vote to evict Roddy over Josh. So, really, both of them are responsible for missing the past two opportunities. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:02 pm     In order to debate something facts must exist on both sides of the issue. In this case the facts are on my side. Sorry. |
Mellbell416 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:03 pm     I am probably going to reaallly regret jumping into this one, but Jason telling Dani that he would nominate someone and then not doing it does not qualify as 'lying'. It's called 'changing your mind". Lying is what Chiara did to Lisa when she told her that she had voted for Eric when she had in fact voted for Lisa. *********ducking********** |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:06 pm     mellbell no need to duck but if somebody tells me they will do something and then they do the exact opposite that is changing their mind and also lying. If I told jaosn all along i would want him in the final 2 and then at the end say I changed my mind roddy come with me. Did I lie to jason? |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:08 pm     Thank you Mellbell!! That's what I've been sayin.. Theo: It depends...did you give your word and make a promise? Wendo: I'm only ignoring your post because it doesn't help my case. I have to be selective with evidence. |
Nimtu | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:09 pm     They are there to win money. Dani has been bragging in the DR that her "boy" has been playing everybody, she has repeatedly talked about "teaching" him how to play the game. Why would/should anybody be shocked to see him - or any of them lie, mislead, etc. They are not so much playing one another as they are playing the game. The problem as I see it comes in with whatever the psychological screening process BB uses to put these people in there. The only thing that I find morally offensive is that I do believe that some of them will come out of the game with some lasting effects from some of the manipulation. Those folks should have been screened out (thinking Chiara, Amy, Marcellas and possibly Lisa). Putting people with fragile egos into a game with a player with Roddy's traits is very dangerous - these people can and will internalize the "I am a good person helping you the bad person" crap he dishes out - not cool. People worry about Gerry, however, he has a very strong sense of self as does Jason and Dani - they will be fine and clearly recognize this as a game and not personal. Oh well, I'll stop now..sorry for the length. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:12 pm     Nimtu: Good post! One last thing and then I am done: If the glove don't fit, you must acquit! |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:12 pm     wcv my word is my promise always. If I tell somebody I'm going to do something they can take it to the bank. If you want to say jason never lied he just changed his mind then i guess you could wipe out about 50% of the lies in the house |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:14 pm     nimtu nobody said jason isnt playing the game. he is playing the game and he did lie. If danni breaths wrong they jump on her but jason cant even be spoken about when he lies. i say they all ahve lied and I have said it for awhile. i wanted jayson to win till yesterday. Now next week I want danny to win hoh and tell jason she is nominating him because she made a deal with roddy |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:16 pm     Changing my mind ROTFLMAO now that is good! It's called lying and we all know it. He PROMISED her protection from her biggest threat. He didn't say, "I'm thinking about maybe, quite possibly putting up your biggest threat" He said "I PROMISE" If we are gonna play the "I've changed my mind" routine to get out of a lie well move over house cause when Roddy is asked about all the deals he has made to get to the end and is only standing next to one of them he can just say, "I didn't lie, I changed my mind" ahahahahahahahaha! Now that is good. |
Bmh | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:17 pm     I agree theo...people on this board have and have had easier times dissing and bashing Danielle,Josh,Chiara,and Roddy than people like Jason and Gerry..people definitely favor those two..but lying is lying..and yes Jason lied..big deal they all lie..you cant argue he didn't just because he is the sweet angel we have all come to know and love... |
Mellbell416 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:17 pm     Okaaay we're starting to get into grey areas here. I did a quick search for a dictionary definition here, and here's what I found: Lying generally involves saying something false to a person who is entitled to know the truth and doing so with the intent to deceive or to injure him or another person. or: lie{2} vi. lied, ly'ing 1. a) to make a statement that one knows is false, esp. with intent to deceive b) to make such statements habitually 2. to give a false impression There is NO evidence that when Jason told Dani that he would nominate Roddy that he had an intent to deceive. If you did have evidence that he told her that he would nominate Roddy and at that very moment he was planning to do the opposite, then I would agree with you. My impression is that during that conversation, he genuinely did want to nominate Roddy to protect Dani, but then changed his mind and decided to protect himself instead. That ain't lying. Vacillitating, yes. Being unreliable, yes. |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:20 pm     mellbel sorry you break your word to me then you lied. Some things even little kids know. Like I said jason is playing adangerous game it it would be very fair for danny to win hoh next week and nominate jayson based on a new deal with roddy. |
C1mag | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:20 pm     Sheesh why are some thinking that calling Jason a Liar in this game means he's a liar in life. The point somewhere many posts earlier was brough up that the boy hadn't lied durring the game. Well duh of coarse he has. Thats all it means. If ya wanna call him a liar in life then you have fallen under roddys spell cause that is what he wants them to think. I'm just saying don't play my intelligenc into thinking the kid hasn't lied and that he hasn't screwed over Danielle because he has done both. It may be good it may be bad but the kid isn't the saint of that house thats for damn sure. Lisa probably comes out right now smelling better than him at this point. |
Theo17 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:21 pm     melbell thats the george costanza defense from seinfeld. "jerry just remember if you think its true then technically its not a lie" OJ did you kill your wife. no. Is that a lie if he has convinced himself he didnt do it? come on |
Meggieprice | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:22 pm     There is something else that bugs me about this- everyone keeps ragging on Dani for creating the indecision last week but remember the reason Dani was so adamant about convincing Amy to nominate Roddy against Chia was that she was planning to nominate Jason. Dani was so crazed about getting her boy J off the block (fearing that veto could lead to his ouster) she made a promise she shoud not have. That was what led to the whole mess. She ultimately hurt her whole strategy and position TO PROTECT JASON. And this is how he thanked her. I also do not buy that Jason thinks Gerry is his biggest threat- he has made it clear that Roddy has to go or he will win. He fell under Svengali's spell and broke his promise to Dani. I wanted him in the final two until this happened. Now I want him voted out. p.s. Who believes his newly created idea that he promised Chia he would protect Roddy? |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:23 pm     Theo17...I like Dani (as I said somewhere..could have been here...could have been that other thread where we are having this exact same argument). I don't see why I have to hate Jason if I like Dani or vice versa. I want those two in the finals. I just feel Jason shouldn't be attacked based on specious facts. |