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Pcakes2

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jumpcuts, did you miss the Moderators post.

Cherokeerosa

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, just to put in my two cents:

First of all, as far as her DWI goes -- it only takes 2 drinks within the space of 2 hours for a girl her size to be over the legal BAC limit.

Secondly, she was only 20 when she got the DWI -- what has happened to mistakes of youth? I know I did many things in my early 20s I would never dream of doing now.

Third, how much of her drinking in the house is due to boredom and/or environment? If I couldn't read or listen to music or talk to my best friend, I might have a few drinks in the evening just for something to do and/or to help me sleep.

Fourth, given some of the previous contestants (er, Justin ring a bell?) I don't think the stuff Smoking Gun posted about her is all that shocking.

*taking a deep breath and ducking any thrown tomatoes*

Ryanc2002

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Abigail, saying without a doubt that she is not an alcoholic seems no different to me than saying she is. You don't know for sure.

Pcakes2

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My grandmother had cancer...does that mean she can diagnos others with cancer?

ARRRGGGGHHHHHHH! (Sorry)

Pcakes2

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Mod, just saw the edited post.

(I need to go away for a bit)

Aerojunki

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I need a drink! LOL!

Jumpcuts

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have now read the moderator's post. Sorry I missed it earlier.

I will rephrase: In MY opinion (and I'm entitled to that as per the moderator), Amy has a serious drinking problem and is probably an alcoholic. After observing her for a few weeks, how many of these would anyone say SEEM to fit Amy?

http://home.usit.net/~rfhale/hopkins.htm

If the material on 'The Smoking Gun' is offensive to anyone, perhaps this discussion should be taken to the 'outside the house' section.

Yellek

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yellek hands a citrona to Aerojunki.

Crossfire

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As long as people don't start pasting TSG articles in here, I think links are fine. They make some people understandably uncomfortable, so a link gives them the chance to choose not to read the material.

Aerojunki

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Aerojunki reaches out & gulps it down! (Grin)

Woodpecke®

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that people who drink and drive need a nice big fat jail term to get the point across. The message would get through loud and clear, and we would have no more of this apologetic talk. You drink, blow over a .10, you go to jail for 3 months, no exceptions. The second time you never drive again and spend a year thinking about your life in prison. Case closed.

Abigail1970

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryan - if you noticed, at the end of my post I said:

Just her making that statement doesn't make her an alcoholic. It just doesn't.

That is not saying without a doubt she is not an alcoholic that is just saying the logic behind saying she is by a statement she made doesn't make sense to me.

Lancecrossfire

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a friendly reminder that items happening outside the house (such as being arrested before BB starts) actually belongs in the "ouside the house" area of BB3.

In a few minutes this thread will be moved to that area--feel free to continue posting to it, however let's try being a bit nicer to each other. We can disagree one issues without attacking, slamming or baiting each other.

Also, as a fellow poster, IMHO sarcasm rarely works in writing and frequently starts many of the battles people have. It leaves too much to question and guess about.

Aerojunki

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm going to go drink my citrona (thanks Yellek) before I get into trouble!

This has gone way out of control.

Cherokeerosa

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Look, my life has been very deeply effected by a drunk driver not once but two times -- I lost my best friend of 10 years and four years later, I had to spend 18 months rehabbing from a head-on collision with a drunk driver. It would be easy for me to be an extremist and say that anyone who has a drink & gets behind the wheel is a horrible person and should be locked away, but that's just not reality. There's a big difference between having 2 drinks when you are just barely an adult thereby making an error in judgement and being an adult with responsibilities that decides to risk his/her life and the lives of others.

For my own ability to cope without becoming bitter, I had to be able to distinguish between the two and not leap to judgments when I don't have all the facts or emotions of the people in question.

Victoriafla

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay I am not trying to defend Amy in anyway. Here is my thought though. When I was her age I drank and partied myself. We don't know how long Amy has been drinking. Yes, I know it's not how much you drink but how it effects you. I have a family member who has been in recovery 30 years..I also have never been arrested and don't think anyone should drink and drive..I never drank again after my parting days. I just don't like the taste anymore or the way it made me feel.. I notice alot of kids Amy's age go through this... some end up with a problem and some don't. Do we know if alcoholism Runs in Amy's family?? It's to hard to say if she does or does not have a problem. This is just my thought on this whole thing.

Jumpcuts

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bravo for moving the thread.

Aerojunki

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just think she is being judged way to hard for someone we do not know & have only seen on tv for 3 weeks. *IF* she has a problem, then I pray she gets help for it.

Kaili

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't read the whole thread, so I can only comment on the posts so far on this page. It seems this discussion will loop back to the same one that went on in Chiara's DUI thread. However, and I assume this is because Amy is better liked than Chiara, just from the few posts I have read it seems like Amy is being defended more for her DUI (or it is being brushed off more as a mistake) than Chiara's was. Just my opinion, and I could be making totally wrong assumptions considering there are 5 archives and I haven't read any of them....

Aerojunki

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not defending Amy's DWI..I'm saying it's wrong to call her a alcoholic after watching her on tv 3 short weeks.

Earthmother

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay that's it everybody take a time out!!
(OMG I have been teaching way too long)

It seems to me a prison sentence is better than what has been going on here.

Aerojunki

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess Amy acts more like a lady *tispy* or not..where Chiara's actions make her more talked about..do you get the live feeds? She is foul! VERY unlady like!

Yellek

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 03:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There's also the fact that Amy's DUI was a few years back and Chiara's was only a few weeks before entering the house.

Oregonfire

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 03:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not going to comment on the whole DUI/alcohol thing. Too dangerous, and just too much.

What alarmed me was that Amy said (not a rumor, she actually said it herself) that she was so angry that her sister wouldn't go to court with her that she smacked her across the face and messed up her eyeball. Her sister had to have it taken out and put back in; she now probably doens't see right out of it. Only happened a few years ago. To me that is a scary temper.

What555456

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 07:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From Abigail:

"She is not an alcoholic."

If I may, Abigail. This is a dioagnosis and not allowed under the rules set down by the Moderator.

Now, if I understand the rules correctly, you can say it is your opinion she is not an alcoholic. But you cannot say she is not -- because that is a diagnosis.

It is my opinion that she is -- not based on just the DUI or last night, but based on a lot of things. And it is my opinion she needs to get help or it will only get worse. But these are only opinions and I state them as such.

Now for a fact -- alcholics are NOT bad people. Having an opinion that someone is an alcoholic is not having a negative opinion of that person. It is simply having an opinion that the person has a problem and should be helped. It is also having an opinion that the person's actions should not be ignored just because it is hard to say someone we like has a problem.

All of this, though, is just my opinion.

You, Abigail, crossed the line when you diagnosed her behavior and said, as a fact, that she is not an alcoholic. I agreed to abide by the Moderator's directives. You should as well.