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Guiltyviewer

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 05:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Wargod, I feel just awful about my error---I've written in this thread, plus just went into today's live feeds and posted a message to the mods explaining my mistake and asking them to correct it with my sincerest apologies. As much as I really don't like, Roddy, I'd NEVER be intentionally misrepresenting what he says----I expect to catch some flak from some of the Roddy fans, but hey--I deserve it.

Wargod, I've tried twice on occasion to correct a post AFTER submitting it using the little icon next to the time posted, and within the ten minute window. It brought me to an Admin only screen, I even tried entering my ID/password as requested but got back message that I wasn't authorized for that page, etc.

How do you edit once it's posted? Thanks!

Wargod

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
After ten minutes you can't. Right after I got live feeds, I would go back to my post and if someone else was posting, to make sure I got the right girl. If I caught it in time, I'd edit it, but if not, I'd just add it to my next post. LOL, it only took me about two weeks to tell Chiara and Lisa apart! And I always felt really silly about that mistake since it seemed no one else had that problem after the first couple of days!

Anyways, I think you're doing a fantastic job. You found your mistake and you corrected it. That's about all we can ask for!

Guiltyviewer

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
thanks again Wargod--I AM starting to feel a little better. One thing I've noticed about this board is how understanding folks are to each other---we may bicker and have our little feuds over the hamsters' merits and flaws, but when it all comes down to it, we're supportive of each other. I got a sweet note from Flyonthewall over in the Live Feed Comments section where I tried to get the mods attention by posting about my error. Others have posted similar messages to yours, too. Thanks a bunch for your support, W!
Think I'll take a break till I'm not on pain meds at least before attempting LFPs again though :)---I've eaten enough humble pie for now!

See ya on the board buddy!

Eden

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Differences in dialects and mispronunciations are not the same thing. It is to be expected that different regions will have certain pronunciations and phrases that are unique to themselves. That isn't the same thing as just deciding how you will say a word and considering it right when it isn't.

Snee

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree about the dialects part of your post, eden.

i do believe, however, that if the vast majority of english speakers decided to pronounce, spell, and punctuate one way that it would become 'right'. english is nothing if not fluid.

Snee

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hmm, my post was nothing if not OT!

Jayalltheway

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just because I'm a big nerd and can't help commenting on this, forte is always pronounced 'fortay' in music because it comes from the Italian not the French. As musical direction, forte means loud. This has influenced people's prononunciation of the word. From dictionary.com

for·te1 Pronunciation Key (fôrt, fôrt, frt)
n.
Something in which a person excels.
The strong part of a sword blade, between the middle and the hilt.


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[French fort, from Old French, strong, from Latin fortis. See fort.]
Synonyms: forte, 1métier, specialty, thing
These nouns denote something at which a person is particularly skilled: Writing fiction is her forte. The theater is his métier. The professor's specialty was the study of ancient languages. Mountain climbing is really my thing.
Usage Note: The word forte, coming from French fort, should properly be pronounced with one syllable, like the English word fort. Common usage, however, prefers the two-syllable pronunciation, (fôrt), which has been influenced possibly by the music term forte borrowed from Italian. In a recent survey a strong majority of the Usage Panel, 74 percent, preferred the two-syllable pronunciation. The result is a delicate situation; speakers who are aware of the origin of the word may wish to continue to pronounce it as one syllable but at an increasing risk of puzzling their listeners.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Eden

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Snee, I agee language is fluid but the original point made was that there is no such thing as mispronunciation. I don't agree with that. Certainly, a VAST majority may decide on a pronunciation or spelling through ignorance or laziness and it may be added to the dictionary as acceptable.
jmo

Chyang

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I read the whole thread (as of Eden's post), do I get some kind of an award?
I'm not sure if I'd learned a lot or gotten more confused with this not-so-perfect language, but it certainly was interesting. I was tired of the "game" and this had been a fun distraction.

Some one did mention it, but may I still offer the only piece of information I know around here? The word "forte" is something I've known since 7,8 y.o. as music student. I was told that it was Italian, meaning with force, strength... The other side is "piano", meaning soft or weak. I remember as if it was yesterday, when that elegant looking teacher who'd completed her music education in Venice, opened my eyes with this tidbit of knowledge. She said that in Italy, piano the instrument is still called Piano-Forte, because when it was first developed/invented/introduced, it was the only keyboard that was able to produce both "piano" and "forte" sound.
Btw, I'm glad O-fire said she never knew the word to be pronounced any other way but for-tay. I was starting to panic that I have said it wrong all along when using the word out side of music.

I've got something to share about how language is always evolving, too. I don't know if you care to hear, but it's about how there's been two Chinas. (We won't get into the politics of how the US government has signed the treaty with PROC to recognize "her" to be the one and only China... )
My folks happened to follow Chiang K.S. to Taiwan where we called ours Rep. of China. The two entities are separated by a very narrow Taiwan Straight, perhaps 50 min. by flight or few hours by boat. But they were absolutely cut off from each other by the iron/bamboo curtain, no citizen was allowed contacts in any way shape or form. Never mind all the sad stories like how my parents were never able to visit/know all their relatives remaining on that mainland, forty years(1949-1979) later when my folks finally have gotten round-about visas to go "pay respect to ancestors grave side", one of the very shocking facts they've noticed was the differences in language. The same Mandarin that was supposedly the official spoken language of both sides had been evolving amongst two different groups of Chinese. Twenty mils. in Taiwan and possibly two bils. in Mainland China?

Sorry to be terribly O.T., just want to sort of show my appreciations by sharing....

Bernie

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chyang, that's fascinating! It's generally accepted by the linguists that historically, languages form when different groups are separated from each other for whatever reasons, but to see that happen within such a relatively short period of time is, well, amazing!

Snee

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
that is very interesting, chyang!

Bernie

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As someone who was born and educated through high school in England, but who obtained two degrees in English in Canada, I'd just like to say that I've NEVER heard stipend pronounced other than with a long 'i': both in Canada and Britain, one's metier, or strength, is usually one's forte, and if one knows a lot, one is a fount of knowledge, and if one is being baptised, one is baptised from the font, in the church, which is the basin which holds the holy water.
And this is a great thread!
To go back to the original post, Roddy mispronounced the word-it doesn't have an 'n' after the 'y', so he shouldn't have put one there! LOL! Maybe he got confused with 'syncopation' teehee ;-)

Cornie

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy just said...

"Sheryl Crow was eyeing me like a hobo eyeing a ham and cheese"
What an ego....LOL

Oregonfire

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I heard that too! I was like WTF? I've never heard that expression. Surely he's joking, right?

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Midwestern expression, Cornie and Oregonfire, and a hackneyed one at that. BTW, blech.

Babyruth

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellas is the ham, Amy the cheese.
Roddy is just toast...

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Babyruth!! Love it!

Twiggyish

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He's so full of baloney (balogna)..LOL

He needs to be pickled.