Please name a hg that roddy hasnt looked out for time and time again
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Please name a hg that roddy hasnt looked out for time and time again
Oregonfire | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:14 pm     Roddy continually pushes on Jason that he trusts him, and by doing so, has created a reality where he can. Mind control at its best (or worst.) |
Maris | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:15 pm     ROFLMAO Theo, I FORGOT THE TAPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Wcv63 | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:17 pm     I see Roddy doing it. I see the mind control in action. I still can't figure out what he does that makes it work. They have all recognized the tactics when used on others but seem to fall victim themselves nonetheless. How do you explain it? |
Maris | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:20 pm     They are so busy warning everyone else about Roddy's mind control and they think they are too smart to fall for it. Roddy appeals to zeroes in on their insecurities and strokes their egos. |
Oregonfire | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:24 pm     I wish I could, Wcv63! I think he uses mainly guilt and shame as a tool. It's terrible. Jason had a moment of clarity with him on last night's show in the HOH room, but obviously that didn't last, given Jason's blubbering DR entry. I also think that there are just too many easy marks in that house who are insecure and depend on the approval of the alpha male for their self-esteem. Dani is not one of them, and maybe Lisa, but he really hasn't worked hard on Lisa yet, so we'll see. |
Theo17 | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:26 pm     the strange thing is the 2 people roddys guilt trips wont work on are danni and possibly gerry. Maybe because they have familys and are more used to it or because they feel they owe it tto their familys to cut thru his crap |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:42 pm     Part of the reason that Roddy is so effective is that he spent a great deal of time laying out the "Roddy Mancuso Rules to the Big Brother Game". He looked at the people chosen and then carefully went about laying the groundwork for "good, decent people" to win. From the very beginning, he emphasized it so much that most of them began to believe that that is the only way to play the game. Of course, the RMRttBBG are very fluid, so fluid that they can only be defined by one man...Roddy Mancuso. Roddy knew he had the house in the palm of his hand when he put up Amy "for the good of the house" citing her "selfishness" and other problems as the reason she must be evicted. Not a single person argued with him, and, in the end, he had Amy believing she did not deserve to be in the game. That solidified his position as the arbiter of who is entitled to remain in the house. If you give a person that much control in a game without rules, he's going to win! |
Snee | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 01:14 pm     i couldn't have said it better myself, onlyhuman. (hehe, i really COULDN'T have!) |
Oregonfire | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 01:21 pm     I think many of the HGs wanted Amy out besides Roddy at that point, so why argue with him? It only would have drawn negative attention to anyone who did. Every HOH has had to use some kind of justification for whom they choose to nominate. The sad part is that Amy herself bought into it, and barely remembered his words when she re-entered the house. The fatal error was everyone voting Amy back into the house. I guess they had to choose between Eric and Amy, and decided that Amy would be a better choice to eventually oust Roddy. Guess not. |
Maris | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 01:26 pm     The choice was not so much one of who would be better to oust Roddy. It was more a defensive move. The belief in the house was that if Eric came back he would replace Josh. It would be Chiara, Roddy and Eric which was a strong power in the house that none of them, not even Lisa wanted to see happen. They didnt chose Amy back. They chose not to have Eric. |
Oregonfire | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 01:29 pm     That's true, Maris. I feel like I have a brain cloud today and am thinking fuzzy. I'll just post a lot of "I agrees" and have done with it. |
Theo17 | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 01:29 pm     these people are so lame. you dont throw out the people you do not like. You throw out the people you cant win against. This isnt brain surgery and its not a high school popularity contest. Infact its the opposite you should be targeting the most popular. ughhhhhhhhhhh. josh had to go. gery has to go. Why???????? Who was easier to beat in the final vote then these 2????? I dont know a game in the world where you want to eliminate the weak and keep your strongest competitors in the game. |
Oregonfire | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 01:31 pm     I know, Theo. That's what I mean about these folks being so predictable. Roddy for Prom King. Amy for Prom Queen after a vote recount. |
Pattie555 | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 01:33 pm     I just hope Roddy doesn't offer any of them Kool-ade |
Theo17 | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 01:36 pm     oregon for the next 10 years they will look back and call themselves suckers and you know what. They will be right. Jason was supposed to have all this reality show expierience and then he acts in the stupidst possible way? I just dont get it. If I was in there it would be roddy and lisa gone and josh and gerry staying |
Wendo | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 01:48 pm     Roddy hasn't looked out for anyone...but Roddy. |
Cindyluvsroddy | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 01:56 pm     Every houseguests has a mind of their own... I think Dani is doing just as much so-called "mindgames" than Roddy ..... Roddy seems to sense that he isn't very popular with the remaining houseguests and is trying to convince folks on what to do ... isn't that part of the game?? |
Theo17 | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 01:58 pm     cindy it is except roddys sets the rules for everyone and then breaks his own rules while holding everyone else accountable. I know roddy is "the good people" but why is it scumbaggery everytime he gets nominated but not when he doesnt. why was the game fixed by bb when he was nominated but now its ok? He is just a huge hypocrite. |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 02:24 pm     Oregonfire, it's not that I don't think they wanted Amy out at that point, but, really, from a strategic point of view, what threat was she? From that point of view, Marcellus would have been a better choice to evict. In fact, almost ANYONE in the house was a bigger threat at that point. By choosing his nominations and making the speech he did, Roddy solidified the idea that it is better to evict "bad" people for the sake of the house than the more strategic option. Of course, since all the people think they are "good" it was easy for them to all buy into it. Now all he has to do is repeatedly tell them how "bad" the others are for the house and how "good" he is. Notice when a couple was nominated (after M & A) that was suddenly not "fair". Gerry was considered "bad" for doing it, though it was a good strategic move. I suspect that by Wednesday, Roddy will have convinced everyone that voting out Amy is the only "fair" thing to do, since she got a second chance and no one else did. Because this is all about playing a "fair" game according to the RMRttBBG book. |
Oregonfire | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 02:32 pm     I suppose that's possible given the Josh situation. But I still think people were more concerned at that early point in the game about saving their own butts than about questioning the HOH's (Roddy's) justification of his motives. It was a convenient move at a convenient time. Roddy has slowly established his mind control along the way in many small moves. I personally think it's difficult to pinpoint one moment where he established his philosophy as the dominant one. |
Cindyluvsroddy | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 02:33 pm     Theo17 - i think anything that Roddy does u will find something wrong with ... nobody said he isnt perfect - all im saying is that other houseguests are doing the same kinda things, but with different smoke and mirrors .... but hey, its a game ... i like it when the HG's r clever and playing the game .. its fun to watch! otherwise, it would be boring if they all sat in a circle reading the bible .. lol don't worry, i do hope your Jason goes far in the game ... |
Theo17 | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 02:34 pm     oregon it would have been nice to see josh return a few weeks after being evicted and free of roddys spell. I would have like to see a battle of who could backstab who the most |
Tripwaste | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 02:47 pm     No, no, no, mon froggy freres. The question isn't `what houseguest hasn't RODDY looked out for time and time again?' ... Nosiree, Bob. The read question is: What houseguest HAS Roddy been watching out for the whole game (time after time after ... time). Let us review BB3 history, shall we, Matlock? So far, Roddy has ... * Voted LORI out since MARCELLAS had been saved by GERRI's veto. * Voted TONYA out to keep his furry buddy JOSH (who was a great guy! don't even deny it!). * Nominated MARCELLAS *AND* AMY, which led to her unanimous eviction from the game. * Voted against LISA LISA in attempt to keep ERIC (who Roddy was planning to oust later come Final 3 or 4) * When up for eviction with JOSH, Roddy let Josh hang himself. (Roddy had suggested that JASON be nominated instead of himself) * When up for eviction with CHIARA, Roddy allowed Chiara the honor of falling upon his golden spike. * Shmoozed JASON into NOT nominating him, thus resulting in nominations of GERRI and, hello, AMY. So let's see, who does that leave? Quite clearly, the evidence suggests that RODDY has been watching out for DANIELLE this whole time. What a magnanimous fellow! Why RODDY's practically been a better best bud to DANI than even JASON has been! So if you love and root for DANI, you better give props and mad respect to RODDY! He's been looking out for her all along! And whatever you do, better not nominate Roddy, much less vote to evict him. Why he's the only reason Dani's still in the game! Roddy is Dani's ally. Roddy has always been Dani's ally. Just look at the evidence! This is thee double-secret probation hidden alliance! If it comes down to nominating Roddy or Dani, might as well put up Dani, since if Roddy gets evicted, who's gonna look out for Dani?!?! Wake up and smell the Coolata, man! What right for Roddy is what's right for all of us! Why? Because Roddy is for all of us! !El es HERMANO GRANDE muy bien! p.s. Do you like donuts? Roddy loves donuts! Let's all eat donuts! Yippee! |
Cindyluvsroddy | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 02:59 pm     wow, some people have some issues .... people, relax .... lol |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 03:11 pm     Oregon, I agree with you, that Roddy has done lots of little things to get in this position. And, believe me, I DON'T think he came up with this idea on his own. Many of the other HGs have floated the idea of "good" and "bad". Roddy just observed their behavior and then slowly took control of the issue. When Roddy nominated Amy, I don't think there was anyone in the house going around saying...we have to get rid of Amy, she doesn't deserve to be here. They looked at her as cannon fodder, someone to use and discard as necessary. I could be wrong, but I think Roddy took this as the opportunity to firmly establish himself as the determiner of "good" and "bad". Look at how nobody argued with him about Josh's attempts to save himself being "bad". They all agreed that Josh was backstabbing Roddy, even though it was Roddy who established the rule of no campaigning. Roddy established the rule, everyone went along with it. It's like when my brother & I played Monopoly as kids and if I was winning there would suddenly be a new rule that he had "forgotten" to tell me about. I was too young to know any better. The HGs should know better but they are too caught up in playing the game with integrity to realize that there is no way to live up to that nebulous ideal, especially when Roddy is the one defining it. |
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