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Costacat

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
...and Costacat blows a big kiss right back at Hillbilly!

Squaredsc

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sybil, i agree with your posts. marcellas expresses his opinions, in a way that most of the folk here don't like. i have been a marcellas fan from the start and continue to be one, even after reading all the many, many, many posts of the negative things that he's said. for some reason it doesn't really bother me, i don't know why, maybe im petty and childish, or whatever.

but if i was in that house, cooped up with someone i just can't stand, i would probably be talking about them negatively all the time to. shoot i can think of some co-workers that i just can't stand that i would do the same thing that marcellas is doing to gerry. and i would be really catty about it. imo fwiw.

Jimmer

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lots of kissing going on here!
Seriously, Marc is obviously someone with many personal demons and in general not a nice person (he may be a funny person in some respects but he is not nice). Amy is simply immature. The 24/7 feed doesn’t help as they have no opportunity to blow of steam in private. Still, no excuse for the extreme comments that they have made.

Sybilbb3oracle

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When we judge a persons thoughts instead of their actions; we have become GODS. As GODS, we are intruders in the lives of these mortals; who know not that we watch and judge them; for they are not omniscient as are we and not cognizant of their every thought.

Pantha

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Awwwww . . . Marcellas sure makes Amy feel good.

bb3 8-24a

Uhoh

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i don't think marcellas even realizes what he's doing, which in a way makes it worse, and him less redeemable!

he today was ragging on tonya and saying he better not find out she has said anything negative about him since she left the show. he went on and on about this.

he makes some bizarre separation between his own behavior and what he expects of others. it's most remarkable.

sorry - i know this is supposed to be a positive marcellas thread.

er... umm... he has a cute smile!

Snee

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
marcellas is disintegrating right before our eyes. his catty comments were at first kind of funny, but he has gone way over the top. i think he can't deal with the stress of the house...at all. i also agree with hillbilly above, that he's probably unhappy outside of the house. keep in mind, these aren't excuses, but possible reasons.

Abby

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What I think of Marc is quite clear from other threads. You may feel that we dont have the right to judge a person, (being Like God) He placed himself in that position when he signed the contract and walked in those doors. Had to know that 24/7 someone is watching and judging actions. that is the very premise of how the Evicted houseguests will vote, on the actions of those remaining in the house. Sorry that excuse wont fly either.

Reader234

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, like I can stay away?!

Good Quotes Fly, and Sybil your last post is a thinker!

I have to wonder if this 'talks' of Marc isnt something to do with getting face time? If I try and look for a positive, I just cant believe he lives in that, but like Sybil posted I'm not omniscient(or omniprescent or a good speller!! ugg, please forgive!)

butterflies

Hermione69

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Also on the judging thing-- is anyone on these boards seriously kidding themselves that they are NOT judging the HGs?? Aren't we all judging them? Some of us reach different conclusions than others!!! Sybil, when you looked at Marcie's behavior and analyzed it and decided that you don't feel he is doing anything wrong, that was judging! That's no different from those of us who look at his behavior and DO think he is acting ugly. Judging is simply defined as "to form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration." The opinion being good or bad is up to the individual's interpretation.

And I don't think any of us think we are Gods here. We might get overly invested sometimes, but this is truly for entertainment.

Costacat

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Costacat is scrambling around looking for Hillbilly's jug, cause she wants to raise a glass to Hermione and say "hear hear!"

....slinking back outta this room...

Niceguy

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marc will have to deal with what he said after the game is over.
It was eye-opening to see Gerry seemingly flirt with Marc in the HRD and the shower. If it had been Roddy doing those type of things Marc may've jumped him.
I'm not sure what Gerry was up to. He has to recognize that Marcellas doesn't feel that comfortable around him. If he teaches attractive female high school females they tend to let you know how close they want you to be.

Squaredsc

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
reader234, love the butterflies.

Reader234

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
(must post that someone else posted butterflies, I just followed the directions in the TVCH spam room in copying and posting images! I love 'em too!! Thanks TVCH posters!!

Earthmother

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Great post Fly..In response to judging someone on their thoughts or their actions: I have no idea what this man's thoughts are, but I will judge him on his actions as they are ghastly..

Cathie

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<<If Gerry had not vetoed Marc, then Lori would have remained a decoy; and Jason and Lori would still be racking up an xtra $1500 per week...>>

Sybil, I think at the most Gerry cost Jason and Lori only one week of the $1500. By the time of his veto she was already self-destructing, and could have even possibly been voted out over Marc the first week. She would have been gone second week for sure, IMHO, so I don't think this has anything to do with Jason's nomination of Gerry.

Twistedsis

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just have to add that I felt Marci was amusing in his spite and cattiness untill the other night when he went on a rant alone in the HoH. That was beyond creepy and made me wonder seriously about schizophrenia. I can not help but wonder if the stress of the game is getting to him, and he is now on the verge of totaly cracking under the pressure.

Earthmother

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 10:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He's an actor, he was not getting attention so he gave it to himself..."ready for my next shot Mr. DeMille." He reminds me of the Nora Desmond character in the movie "Sunset Blvd."

Needy people..let me count the ways!!!

Gina8642

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 10:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't want to defend Marc becasue he has said very vitriolic things about EVERY HG. He has only given advice to Gerry and Amy on how to clean up their act, to make others in the house think better of them.

What I will say for Marc, is that he is charismatic. I am paying close attention to what he is doing in this game. I can't help it. Because of that, I often find myself rooting for him. Then, he goes out and says something really nasty about someone, and I'm reminded of his cruelness.

Sometimes I think the LFPosts, don't show how mean he can be because they (the LFPosters) are sick of transcribing his cruel words - so they just say 'M bashing G'. I don't blame them, when I do LFPs (when I borrow a computer that has a working real player) I don't transcribe that stuff either.

What was the point of my post? Despite Marc's vitriol, I still think he is charismatic, and I can't help but root for him at times. I think alot of his vitriol comes from being insecure. Not that that's an excuse, but it is a reason.

He is also the only one I've seen take Amy or Gerry aside and tell them how to improve their behavior in the house, so others might see them more positivly. He has done this in a very kind way. (Not like Roddy telling Chiara she's "an embarrassment".) So at times, I can't help but admire Marc, and at others I can't help but dislike him.

Chance

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought late last night was telling re M.
I did a LFP last night where G came to M to say A&M words re Whilford Brimley hurt him.
Afterwards M went inside and another bash fest of G by M started again. Jason even asked M to stop but M kept it up. Finally J said to M that M really had some issues didn't he?!?!?! Boy oh boy was M pi*sed. M hates to be called on his actions or made to feel guilty in any way.

Chance

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 11:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I also think its interesting to see that last night M FINALLY began to worry about what the outside world might think of his remarks re G. He referenced this 3 different ways. Trouble is, as soon as M says something like this, he immediately goes into another tirade about G.

Wcv63

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina that is a very balanced response and one that I understand completely.

I agree that when Marc isn't being mean spirited he can be highly entertaining. Unfortunately I can't forget his cruelty and find I am less than entertained by him because of it.

I guess you could say that grudge holding is one of my character flaws. :)

Hermione69

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, I think you put that very well. I try not to be too ugly about any of them because I can't imagine being in their shoes and I can genuinely find something to like about all of them. In ranking order, Marcellas is towards the bottom of my list, but sometimes he makes me laugh so hard. The other day he was outside and someone asked him if he wanted anything and he said, "Water and send the cabana boy over here. I need him to fluff my towel. Whatever happened to Enrique Iglesias? " I was ROFLMAO. Still wish he would back off of Gerry...

Bigjohn49

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is no defending a man?? that would turn his back on Gerry that saved his sweet little butt week one. M called Josh evil, M look in the mirror!

Sybilbb3oracle

Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 12:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Have any of you been stared at unceasingly by someone like Gerry? Have you ever been stalked; been made paranoid; had your nerves shredded by someone's over-involvement with you? Walk a few weeks in Marc's shoes being followed by Gerry's eyes; think about how you would feel?