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C1mag

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just like everyone I was initially stunned by the outcome of nominations but after calming down they actually make sense. Jason is now playing the game for himself and he has that right. I may not like the fact that Roddy is in this game all the way too the end, but I understand why jason did this.

Jason told Dani to her face that Roddy should have went this past Thursday. He was all set for it but she pulled back. She called it and kept Roddy in the game. Prior to Thursday she did nothing but cause a lot of stress by flip flopping back and forth. He asked her to keep quiet about it and she couldn't even do that. He also pointed out that for as much as she wants Roddy out she can't even nominate him because of some promise she made with Roddy. So she shouldn't hold it against anyone that wouldn't nominate him either. She had her chance and she blew it! He tried to make her see that and it does make sense.

Jason is now playing the game for himself. Roddy made a safe deal with the kid. It came at the perfect time. Why not take it? A deal with Dani has proven to be nothing but stress. A deal with Roddy adds a bit more sanity to your own game. It makes Jasons nominations this week very easy. Now know that Roddy isn't going to ever nominate him, the only person Jason knows that would nominate him is Gerry so Gerry should be his target.

I guess we all got caught up in Dani's game plan because many of us didn't want Roddy to win, but what we didn't admit was that she was too edgy to actually pull it off. She made waaaay too many errors along the way. I hope the kid goes far in this game for being bold enough to step up and take care of his own agenda. Whatever happens from here on out will happen.

I like what Jason said too Dani as a parting gift on the subject of Roddy, " If the final 3 are you me and Roddy I will pick you for the finals" I understand that. He knows she isn't going much further in this game because she is too edgy, but if she does then he will respect his first alliance which was to her. How she gets to the final three will be up too her from here on out. He see's his way and thats good enough for him. I think in all honesty he figured she might have sold him out in the end. He understands the way she plays. Try to control the vote to her favor without doing the work herself. She can't protect any alliance by never trying for hoh. He doesn't want to play that way anymore. Thats his right.

I was gonna boycot the rest of the show but realized there is still one excellent moment to come... Next week when Dani gets nominated and evicted. Now thats gonna be fun. :)

It's a hard pill to swallow but Jason really did make the right choice for himself. Instead of looking at it as a definite victory for Roddy lets sit back and see what happens. It might be interesting. Jason no longer has to play dani's game anymore. The focus won't be "Get Roddy out" 24/7. So what! We may not like the fact that Roddy is getting a walk over but in a way he needs to thank only Danielle. She allowed this all to fall appart while he stayed calm. As far as I'm concerned she even drove this viewer up the wall flip flopping all over the place. Lets see what happens from here on out cause the game still plays on.......

Secretsmile

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, I agree with you and I posted that but it got bumped to Jason is listening to everyone board.

Sisalou

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1 - good points and I do believe you are right. Dani made several errors in the past couple of weeks and she thought she had tight control over Jason. Jason is doing what is best for him. And he is the only one so far to talk to Roddy with any kind of honesty. I really want Jason to win this thing.

Kminfinity

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good points...except I don't think Jason can beat Roddy in the F2.....


He should have somehow gotten Dani under control, because he had a good shot at beating her.

He can be flexible and try to spin things his way :

1--If Dani gets HoH, encourage her to put up Roddy.

2--Work to get Roddy and Lisa out. IMO, he has less chance of beatng them in the F2.

Abby7

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree Jason made a good choice for himself. (btw, that "kid" is 25 years old!). i thought only roddy called him that.

Deeya

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1 - I've been saying the same thing in chat since the nom's... it makes perfect sense.. just the way you said it..

Jason should be in the game for himself.. and he is smart enough to see what he needs to do... I think he'll continue to stick by Dani when he can.. but as you said.. she is definitely on her own at this point..

Dani had this game in her hand... and gave it away... luckily Jason is too smart to let her take him down with her...

Jaysgal

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, C1mag, for understanding Jason's game. Danielle indirectly challenged his manhood, and he has stepped up to the plate. I am now proud of Jason. I know it was difficult for him, but he reached a decision, one that he should not regret.

Again, I am not happy to see Gerry go, as he was one of those I wanted to see to the end. However, Jason had to look out for his own interest. Now, I can fully support Jason as I once did. I hope that he stays motivated. I think that Danielle will be targeted before Jason ever is. If Danielle and Jason are put up, Danielle is more likely to leave because she made many enemies with her deceitful behaviour. I don't think that it is Roddy's "charisma" that got Jason to make his decision. Jason reached it with a combination of scenarios. He decided that this was best.

Too many people kept seeing Jason as a kid. They decided whether his moves were wise or foolish based on how well it suited Danielle's agenda. I think that that is unfair. Jason deserves his own title. He's his own man. Too bad he didn't put up Danielle after all of the nonsense she's put him through.

Oregonfire

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, agreed here too C1mag. Let Dani twist in the wind. She is not reliable and way too stressful as an ally. I'd still like her to win, but see it happening less and less.

Battlestar

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I also see Jason's reasoning for this. He has to play his game and not just be doing Danielle's bidding for her good.

Battlestar

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal---what did Danielle do that indirectly challenged his manhood???

Jimmer

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1Mag I hope you won’t think it condescending of me to comment that IMO this is excellent unbiased analysis, especially coming from someone who doesn’t like Roddy. I think that Jason is showing what he’s made of and I hope it works out for him in the end.

Mellbell416

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nooo I don't think that he should have put up Danielle. That would have been totally cut throat, and Danielle would have done everything to make sure that if she went down, he'd be dragged down with her. Dani is one woman that I wouldn't want to piss off - she has kept her aggressive nature mostly under wraps, but it has come out a number of times (I'm thinking of the food competition when the jalepeno olives came out and the fight that she had with Lori). She may not win this game, but she can wreck someone else's pretty bad. On the whole, she's been a great player, but to slip up here, so close to the end, is fatal.

As it is now, Dani isn't pissed off (yet) and Roddy is now on his side. It's the best of both worlds, and someone else will take care of Dani.

Jazzmaroo

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh my gosh ! That's how I've been feeling... but I haven't been able to work it out logicly in words. Thank you C1mag for putting words to how I was feeling.

I'm don't know if Jason will make it to the end.... ( I HOPE he does. ) It's going to be very tough, because these people seem very clever.

Go Jason!

Victoriafla

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you C1mag!!! Jason is looking out for himself, nothing wrong with that.

Marv

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good analysis C1, but rather than Jason playing the game for himself, I think he's working both ends. He still has the D/L alliance and now he has Roddy on his side. I didn't hear the convo tween J and R but I didn't read any 'words' given between them. So they may watch out for each other as long as it is advantageous for both of them. (I really don't think Roddy wants to stand next to Jason at the end).

I'd be surprised if Roddy wins HOH again. By not winning HOH he keeps his word to M and his 'promise' to J. And he seems to be quite adept at working the HGs as a nominee as well as a HOH.

However, I still think J screwed up by nominating G instead of M. Assuming G does go this week and R doesn't get HOH, if M or A get HOH, guess who goes up? Dani and Jason.

Mellbell416

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But why isn't Dani pissed off? Doesn't she see that she is now very vulnerable? She generally doesn't have a problem with expressing herself. Is she pissed off and hiding it, or is she really ok with the decision? If the latter, then I think that she is beginning to lose it....

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
tell me roddy isnt counting his money already.
next week he has amy, jason and marcy in his back pocket and really only danni to worry about. even if danni puts him up now which would take a miracle it would take 2 of 3 votes to get him out and danni cant vote if she is hoh so the game is almost over for him.

Avery

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LMAO, where were all you people when some of us were trying to point this out?

Firebird05

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gosh C1 you almost have me swayed over if only I could believe that Roddy was telling Jason the truth.

But he has told many people that they would be the final two. I am having a really hard time believing that Jason is the one he would take.

He wants the money. He will take the person he "knows" he can win against.

And yeah I give up on saying anyone else will win. Roddy has them. Ick

Battlestar

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Avery---we were there/ it just needed it's own thread

C1mag

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fire I'm not saying it will be Roddy and Jason in the finals I'm saying I fully understand his nominations. Gerry was a threat to him. Not Roddy at this point because of Rod's current promise not to nominate him if he ever gets hoh. That really is how you play the game. You don't play someone elses agenda when you get to call the shots. Dani fealt the most threatned by Roddy potentially getting hoh. She had her chance to nail him. She missed it. Actually blew it. Jason now has a chance to get rid of the person he feels threatened by. It's that simple. Will Roddy keep his word? Sure he will, and he will keep it to all of them. He will never have to make the choice. They will all win the hoh competitions and someone else will win the final hoh and pick him to go to the finals. He never was put in a spot to make a choice :) Now thats brilliant! Will it work? It looks like it just might. If you don't care for it then give Dani a call in 2 weeks when she gets home and tell her thanks for ruining the game in your eyes. LOL!

Cameltoes

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know that I can understand it because I don't understand why anyone would find Roddy trustworthy. I do agree that Danielle screwed up big time and if she leaves next week, she will have no one to blame but herself. If Danielle wins POV, it's time for her to step up to the plate. Her alliance with Jason is dead. The only way for her to move on is to save Gerry and cut a deal with him. No more hiding behind anyone else. I do think Roddy is almost assured a victory so I am only hoping someone wises up and derails him - if Danielle cannot, then maybe Lisa. I'm fairly resigned to his winning though.

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I pray the final vote ends in a tie and we the fans decide it. I would pick anybody over roddy even marcy

Tracy

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not so sure Roddy couldn't beat Jason in the finals. For sure he'd have Chi, Tonya, Josh and Eric. In the probably Roddy category, I'd put Amy, Marc and maybe even Gerry (Jason put him out). Who does that leave? Lori and Dani. I couldn't even guess what Lisa might do.

Maris

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would vote Roddy to win unless it is against Marcy then I vote Marcy.