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Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WCV perhaps he thinks they are not faults! They are part of his personality! There are certain things one cannot change about oneself, one can pretend things are not an issue but then one is really not being true to oneself.... I believe he accepts himself, knows his shortcomings and is upfront about them.

Moedog

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I totally disagree Delilah. IMO Roddy most definitely tells others what he thinks they want to hear. That's why he's so good at manipulating them. What has he found out about himself that he doesn't like? Absolutely nothing that I've seen. He is SO enamored with himself. His whole persona screams pomposity. I pity the woman who stays around him for any length of time. Before long, she'll be nothing but a shell filled with whatever Roddy wants to add to it. He's such a user.

Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Moe, we will have to agree to disagree then, because I completely and respectfully disagree with you.

Moedog

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"He needs a woman Hmmm, like me perhaps?"

"If I were single I wouldn't want to have a relationship with him..."

Why wouldn't you? You admire his controlling behavior and possessiveness. You're fine with him being a chauvinist. Why wouldn't you be overjoyed to be under Roddy's thumb, jumping to his every whim?

Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Perhaps because I am married Moe?

Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If I were single I wouldn't have a relationship with Roddy, we would be great friends though.

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Delilah...I don't want you to feel ganged up on...your very tenacity in defending Roddy is a testament to your intensity! I enjoy reading your views (even though they are polar opposites of mine) and hope that you don't feel overwhelmed by the intense dislike that Roddy generates in others like myself here on the board.

Just thought I'd give you a gentle pat cuz' I know what it feels like to be alone and holding an unpopular viewpoint! :)

Moedog

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Obviously you don't want to answer why you wouldn't want a relationship with Roddy if you were single. You admire everything about him so I was curious. I won't ask again.

Roddy is anathema to everything I respect in a man except for intelligence. I'll agree to disagree. There's no way we'll ever share the same opinion (or even come close) in this regard. Peace

Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you very much WCV, you are a poster who I actively seek out on this board and I remember last year we did not agree either but I always enjoy your intelligent commentary and I have a great deal of respect for you.

The bottom line is I come to this board for fun. I am non-confrontational and do not want to argue with anyone. I have my opinions and views and few agree with me. That is OK. I am not going to change whichever way the wind blows....

I have reverted almost completely into lurk mode because I do not like the arguments, the bashing and the negativity. I have been asked repeatedly today to explain my opinions and I believe I have explained them - over and over. I do not want to beat a dead horse. Let us leave it at that. I feel the way I do because of who I am just as the rest of you. I enjoy a healthy debate and it is not unusual for me to be a minority (I am a Republican and a huge Bush supporter living in a very liberal area LOL) I will defend myself and do not take offense. I know who my friends are on this board and I am happy with that.

Thank you again Wcv, I truly appreciate it!

Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No Moe, I do not admire everything about him at all. I do not want to play the "what if you were single...." game either. I do not like having my posts picked apart. I do not want to argue with you. I am fine that we disagree, life would be boring indeed if we all agreed. Peace to you also.

Moedog

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL! I'm on the left side of the political spectrum living in a very pro-right area. Are you as frustrated as I am to see that you vote really doesn't hold weight? Wanna switch houses, Delilah? ; )

Hermione69

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey everyone. Sounds like I've been missing an intense discussion! It seems like most of you are pro-Roddy or pro-Chiara in this particular situation... either you feel he done her wrong or you feel she set herself up for it with her behavior. Why does it have to be one or the other? I see both of them being at fault. Pretty equally, actually.

Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Moe! At last something we can agree on! Hooray!!! All is not lost after all! We can become timeshare pals! I hope you have central airconditioning!

:::::Delilah gives Moe a big hug and hopes this will be the start of a beautiful relationship:::::

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ack Hermione...having that prefix in front of either of those names and having it assigned to me is an affront to my sensibilities!

I agree they are both at fault...But as in the book Animal Farm some animals are more equal than others. :)

Delilah...keep on keeping on! I would love to disagree with you some more!

Moedog

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Have a good day all... g'bye.

Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Goodbye Moe, it has been an interesting afternoon.

Zachsmom

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Delilah for defending our postition so eloquently! (had a meeting with the boss-sorry if it seemed like I deserted you!)

I think Roddy wants a woman who IS strong and independent..who can challenge his mind and not be someone who he can control.I see a lot of characteristic in Roddy that I myself have. Others view them as a down fall but those traits are what have made me a success in life. It's really hard to find someone who actually stimulates your mind as well as your body..and there are quite a few of us who won't just settle. Yes we have high standards and we hold them higher for ourselves than we do others..My father always taught me to never dummy down for a man and I wish more fathers taught their daughters the same thing..it's too bad Chiara's didn't..she has a passion within her that if she had been given the proper tools she could have been a secure individual and didn't put her worth in what a man values her as (and we know she hasn't been appreciated). Anyway..we are getting off topic..

Go Roddy!!!!!

and Delilah- I hope you can count me as your pinky- because you're mine..:)

Hermione69

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Wcv63! Plus I like your Animal Farm reference! Anyone that quotes literature gets brownie points from me!

You know, I had the hardest time with Chiara for weeks, but just in the last few days, I have tried to be less of a hypocrite in my posts because I have read a few that made me see I was being unfair. She is so outrageous sometimes, and I don't think it is free-spiritedness as some of her defenders do, but rather insecurity. But the truth is that Chiara is still pretty young, and I was a very wild child myself in my early twenties. I drank, I ran around with undesirable men, I wanted so much to be sexy and desirable (without being promiscuous) that I got myself into some real iffy situations! If a camera had been on me at that time of my life, I have no doubt that a lot of Hermione69 bashers would be running amok. Sometimes we do grow up. I was reading an LOTR website about Hobbits and it said Hobbits reach adulthood at 33 years of age. I thought, "What a perfect age to be declared an adult! Why can't we humans get that kind of time line for our lives?" I've talked about it with a lot of friends and most of us agree that the our twenties were definitely a time of exploration. So I'm trying to give Chiara more of a chance.

As for Roddy, I don't like how he condescends to her and is trying to make everything her fault. But I do think he liked her at first and she wasn't what he thought. So he kind of painted himself into a corner with her and is not man enough to walk across the floor and get paint on the bottom of his feet! But that doesn't make him an awful person. I know too many men who take the wimpy way out in their relationships. I don't like it, but neither do I find it unforgivable.

MHOs!

Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My pinky? You are my index finger sweetie!

Wendo

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Delilah said, "WCV perhaps he thinks they are not faults! They are part of his personality! There are certain things one cannot change about oneself, one can pretend things are not an issue but then one is really not being true to oneself.... I believe he accepts himself, knows his shortcomings and is upfront about them."

I disagree with this arguement. If you apply this to Roddy, then it can be applied to anyone else. Why can't the same reasoning apply to Chiara and Amy? Their faults are part of their personality, they accept them, they are things that cannot change. However, according to Roddy they should be changed. Why is it ok for Roddy to have faults and no one else? His are acceptable and Amy and Chiara's are not? You can't apply one paradigm to one and not to the other.

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Wendo and thank you Moedog. I think I'll just coast along on your coat tails and have ya'll do the dirty work so I can keep my hands clean!

Zachsmom

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Personalities generally can't be changed..but behaviors can..Roddy doesn't like some of their behaviors..not so much their personalities..

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione...I think I probably be more apt to forgive his "wimpy way out of a relationship" if it were the only thing he had done that annoyed me. It was however one of a million things that got on my very last nerve. Many of those things have to do with his treatment of Chiara. Even though she also has a way of getting on my very last nerve I still feel that in this situation he mishandled her heart.

Hermione69

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63, I understand that. I do. But (man, am I straddling the fence or what?) I also can't help feeling like she should not have let herself get attached in the context of the house. That's very silly to me. People are going in there playing each other. It is not a possibility, it is an expectation. I guess one could argue that you can't help falling in love, but I don't really think she is in love with him either. I don't think either one of them knows the first thing about what the other is really all about.

There's also the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." Chiara is being fooled over and over and over again.

BTW, this is not excusing Roddy, it just my view of Chiara's own part in it. I can write a paragraph or two about Roddy's role if you'd like me to! :-)

Wedge

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 04:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As one of my fave authors said...fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me , fool me three times shame on both of us.