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Erina75 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:49 am     Wcv63: I am watching the same show as you but just not through rose colored glasses. My eyes are open to all the goings on. I have my "favorites" in the house but I will not dismiss any questionable behavior from any of them. I simply state the facts. Amy is a hypocrite and she has problems. I'm not saying she is the anti-christ or is sub-human. She has feelings like everyone else and I am sure she has a good heart deep down. No one is perfect and I was simply observing her behavior and commenting. |
Erina75 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:52 am     FANNY: ROFL...you've got a point with your last line there!!!! |
Abigail1970 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:01 pm     So, she's had some trouble. Who hasn't? The girl is YOUNG! Granted she is an adult and nothing excuses her behavior of drinking and driving but geesh give her a break. She's the only funny one in there. It will be boring and predictable once she's gone. And who hasn't gotten tipsy and said and done things you shouldn't have? I don't think what she did last night was a big deal at all, she was just blowing off some steam and I'm sure her hangover today will make up for it. And I can't see how anyone can say she has 'issues' just for the things listed above. Doesn't anyone ever have anything nice to say about these guys who put themselves on national TV to entertain us? |
Julieboo | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:04 pm     I agree, give her a break. |
Sobaditsgood | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:05 pm     I've seen a number of references to the fact that Marcellas didn't try to 'help' (for lack of a better word) Amy after dinner when she was looped and apparently talkingtalkingtalking and generally looking pretty foolish. Someone in this thread points out that Marc went along with the others in talking about Amy's behavior post-dinner-and-drinking last night. My question is - wasn't he sitting right across from her while she downed all this alcohol? He knew she was getting smashed, he could've either pointed it out to her while they were still in the DR and maybe reminded her that they're being televised (remember his comment to her when they were nominated about how the two of them had to do it 'high end' or something and not make fools of themselves?) and maybe she wouldn't want to get so loopy that she made a fool of herself or said something she might regret. He's supposed to be her great friend, I can't understand why he didn't say something to her while she was drinking so much or at the very least looked out for once they were out of dinner. I haven't read all the LF's from last night so maybe he did say something like this to her during dinner...? Note, I'm not saying anyone except Amy is responsible for her choice to drink that much, but it just bugs me that he's supposed to be looking out for her (I mean he claims it himself, not that he's obligated) and just sort of let her make a fool of herself. Has his 'Amy's my girl' shtick been a ruse all along, is he really the cruelest person in the house or what? Was he actively taking part in the conversation about her being drunk, or was it more a thing of him sitting back and listening (maybe so he could tell her later what everyone said)? |
Ryanc2002 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:06 pm     Abigail - I have plenty of nice things to say about all of them. But I refuse to ignore their faults. |
Woodpecke® | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:12 pm     Amy committed offenses repeatedly, and the common answer is always to say she was young and that we all learn from our mistakes. Driving drunk and reckless driving were both offenses that happened before she was even 21. She had a chance to prove in front of the nation what kind of person she really is. She has failed. A golden chance to put her past behind her and she regressed into a world of booze obsession and catty gossip. A bubbly personality lost. A beautiful girl with lots of energy and talent, she has chosen to lower herself to a level that makes me sad. I only hope her wake-up call comes when she reads the threads and sees the tapes. Too bad. |
Erina75 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:16 pm     Abigail: Can you tell me what your opinon of all those people in jail for DUI/DWI who killed inocent children and families is? Amy was just as irresponsible as they were when she got behind the wheel. They only difference between her and the people in jail is that she was lucky. Her actions in doing what she did could have very easily had the same consequences as other people who haven't been so lucky. I think most of the poeople who have posted here about Amy are not persecuting her. I know I am not. I just think she has issues and problems and she uses alcohol to escape them. I think she is irresponsible. If she really thinks so highly of herself she wouldn't do things like that. I think she needs some help, but I don't think she sees that. I do think she's a hypocrite with the way she talks about how she is better then everyone else in the house, how she says in her real life she would not interact with "people like this" and how she has refered to Chiara as "white trash" when she herself floats in the same boat as Chiara on a lot of levels. That's a hypocrite. I sincerely hope she gets some help and/or gets a handle on her drinking. I hope she can be a happy and fulfilled person in her life. |
Guinevere | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:18 pm     I don't know what Amy would learn from reading these threads. That some people like her and some don't? Is she supposed to learn not to be catty and judgemental? Amy was catty in the house, the other HGs were catty, people on this board are extremely catty and judgemental (I'm not excluding myself, I can be very b*tchy about the people I don't like). It seems awfully arrogant to assume that we have something to teach her. |
Sobaditsgood | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:20 pm     Hi Abigail - I have nice things to say about some of them but you said: >>Doesn't anyone ever have anything nice to say about these guys who put themselves on national TV to entertain us<< put that way it sounds like they all have OUR best interest at heart and that each of them is a magnanimous martyr for the cause of audience entertainment, going on a reality tv show for OUR benefit... I don't think a single one of them (or anyone on any reality show ever, actually) has ever even tried to put forth that particular justification for signing up. At most they say things like "I wanted to meet interesting people I'd never meet otherwise" or "I wanted to do something I'd never have a chance to do in any other way". But I've never once heard anyone say "Hey, I'm just here to entertain the folks at home. I'm happy to sacrifice my personal dignity and my family's privacy for the betterment of a potential worldwide internet viewing audience. Why, if just ONE PERSON IS ENTERTAINED, it's worth it." Please. I've liked some of the HG's on various shows and have disliked others. But in no case have I ever been under the impression that anyone was there for any reason that doesn't ultimately boil down to fame and/or fortune. (Realizing both of those terms are relative...) |
Ryanc2002 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:20 pm     Guinevere - I truly feel sorry for any houseguest with the exception of Jason who reads these boards. |
Woodpecke® | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:21 pm     What do other people have to do with it, Guinevere? |
Seamonkey | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:24 pm     I'm a big Amy fan.. but we didn't see the end of the dinner so we have no idea how hard Marcellas tried to get her to stop drinking. Somehow, I don't think she listened to him. Anyway there was a fairly large bloc of time that none of us could see to report on. I think he could have helped her more, or tried, but maybe it was better for Jason and Danielle (strategy-wise) and then later when she was back out with all of them eating ice-cream, most of them (to her face) were actually going along with her, not trying to shame her. Roddy talked to her and came away stating that he was amazed, etc.. the cynics in the house (and here too) think he's moved in to work on her for a vote at the end, but, whatever. I've never had a DUI, but I surely did drive drunk more times than I'd like to admit. Got a wakeup call when, undoubtedly blacked out to some extent, I pulled off into a parking lot on the way home (I lived 35 miles out of the urban area on a dark, narrow, windy canyon road), blinking my headlights, by the cops. Long enough ago that they didn't just take me in (I didn't pass the test) but called my then husband, who came to get me. We picked up my car the next day. Something within me must have known that it was NOT a good thing to drive on that road that night. Yes, Amy and Chiara have the DUI/DWI and driving on expired license in common. And I do think that the BB producers do consider these things (as with Tonya and Josh) a plus. It also seems like they consistently put the alcohol into the hands of the houseguest most likely to abuse it (Krista, Amy), but of course they don't demand that they drink (last night there was certainly a strong suggestion that they drink.. in fact they were TOLD to drink the sponsor's drinks first (Citrona and whatever Marcellas drank) Reading the details on Smoking Gun, it soudns like Amy's mother wasn't real helpful with her attitude either |
Crossfire | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:24 pm     Ah, well, I am not going to get into this again, I've more than had a chance to say my piece, except one just one more thing: I consider the pervasiveness of this problem to support my very strong stance on this matter because people are obviously not getting the message. No has to start meaning NO. |
Abigail1970 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:26 pm     Exactly Guinevere!!! She would learn absoltely nothing from reading these threads. Just that there are judgemental, catty people on these threads just like there were in the BB house!!! I'm quite certain she didn't go into that house to be taught moral lessons from us. And Sobad - that's exactly what I wasn't saying, I am well aware these HG don't go on this show to teach us anything. These are normal, every day people that is why it is called 'REALITY' television. No one is perfect ANYWHERE. We all make mistakes. It's up to OURSELVES to learn from them. |
Guinevere | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:26 pm     I'm not sure I understand you, Woodpecker (ack, sorry, don't know how to do the R like you do). Do you mean the other people in the house? My point is that it seems wrong to single out Amy as being guilty of "catty gossip", when they have all been offenders. And it seems absurd to think that her coming here and reading all of the trashing she gets will make her a better person or constitute "a wake-up call". |
Snee | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:33 pm     drinking and driving upsets me, whether it's chiara's or amy's or anyone elses. thing is, if i already like the person, i still like the person. if i don't i don't. |
Erina75 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:33 pm     I don't think anyone assumes they have something to teach her. I think we all just see that she needs some kind of help. I do know this, when I have problems, issues, hard times or difficult decisions it helps me tremendously to have the help, support, opinions, and experience of my friends. People can help people. I personally don't think I am better then her or anyone else. I have faults and short comings like everyone else. But people also have stregths and insights into different things and that's where we can help each other. I am not expecting this girl to read these threads and gain something from it, I don't expect her to read these threads at all. This thread is just another way for people to state their opinions...nothing more, nothing less. |
Sobaditsgood | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:34 pm     Crossfire - I've only read the end of this thread so I guess I'm missing something... what was your 'no has to start meaning no' refer to? Pervasiveness of what problem - is that a reference to something in the BB house or here on the board or out in the world or something else? [Sorry if it's off topic but if there's a pervasive problem lurking around somewhere nearby I wanna know so's I can sidestep it. Or, uh, not make it worse. eek!] |
Snee | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:35 pm     oh, and crossfire, once more i agree with you on that. |
What555456 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:36 pm     What I find interesting about the Amy fans on this Board is how quickly they dismiss her obvious alcohlism. With this thread, it is set aside as meaningless because the DWI was long ago. The discussions about her binge last night started with her acting so cute when she was "tipsy" and then simply complained she was rambling. This is exactly how alcoholics and others with addictions are enabled by those around them. None of those who like her is willing to call her what she is -- an alcoholic. Amy has a serious problem. She is an alcoholic. Maybe she can be cute when drunk; maybe not. But she is one sick young girl. Her whining of being misunderstood or being used to people not liking her are also signs of her addiction problem. Every addict I know of -- be it drugs or alcohol -- sees themselves a victim, alone, no one understands them. None take responsibility for what they have done with their lives. It is always because of other people. Those of you who like Amy, continue to do so. But do not cover up her problem. Call it what it is. |
Abigail1970 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:39 pm     Erina - I'm sorry but where did you go to school for your psych license? We can not assume that Amy has issues or needs help because she had a DUI, wrote a bad check or got drunk last night. We just can't. We can speculate but you flat out say that she needs help and I don't agree with that. |
Abigail1970 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:40 pm     What - you know this because? |
Erina75 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:40 pm     I agree with you What. |
What555456 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:43 pm     Abigail Because I have had to deal with too many addicts. One just needs to watch her to know she is sick and needs help. She may be a very fine young woman. But she needs help. |
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