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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Archives One: Who is more deceiving will or roddy?: Archive through August 23, 2002

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
my vote is roddy by a country mile.

Jasonfan

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Roddy is more active and manipulating. Will basically said yes to every deal and let everyone else do the work.

Cameltoes

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They share one gift: getting inside people's heads and implanting their own agenda. They just went about it very differently. Will wanted everyone to believe he could not win in the finals and they believed it. Roddy wants everyone to believe that it's him and them at the end, and they believe it.

Marcellasfan

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Y'know what scares me? I think Roddy truly believes "he's been awesome" (his quote while tearing Chiara apart) and the he's "been truthful". I think he has even deluded himself.

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sorta like oj. they believe their own lies.

Firebird05

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy for sure because he tries to make everyone think he truly cares about them and he is their friend. He is not.

Will always said I am lying to everyone if you believe me your dumb. He was.

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
you know what would be the ultimate irony. If roddy the con man got conned out of the 300g's he will bring home after taxes. He loves porno chicks maybe one can con him.

Willow_Woman

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Will came in telling everyone he was going to lie.

Roddy seems to think noone should lie (except himself).

Will was funny to watch. Roddy is scary to watch.

Will was self-deprecating for the most part. Roddy just thinks he "awesome."

C1mag

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that Rod's game is cruel. I've played it out several times. Dani was the only one on to it and she blew her chance to get that type of player out. As you can see the house is just swarming around him. He knows he's got this game and he will never have to win hoh to get to the top. The game is his based on making them feel like this is all real life and if they dare to betray him of all people then their integrity is lost for life. It's totally cruel! Will was the court jester. What you saw is what you got. He never played them like this.

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
the difference last year is the hgs were more secure in themselves. nicole, will, shannon, bogey, kent, jrista and moique would have all called roddy out on his bs. Nobody in this house has any balls. I wish eric had stayed because he might have been the only one that would have. The rest are all intimidated by the big man on campus. behind his back they all are critical of him but once he flatters them they all gush and fall for him

Cameltoes

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Will never made anyone feel like doing things that would be in their own best interests would be wrong and they would be punished for it. That's Roddy's forte. Will just created a scenario where keeping him around seemed to be in their best interests.

Muse

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In terms of the game (making alliances, manipulating others to believe certain things, etc), I'd say Roddy is more deceptive. He claims he hasn't lied in this game, but he has. And as others have already mentioned - Will did say he was going to lie.

Additionally, I think Will would always side with people who were friends (or at least people who were nice to him, like Bunky and Monica were at the end) over those who weren't really friends. Roddy, meanwhile, has tried to avoid breaking promises (which is different than avoiding lying altogether), but doesn't seem to mind trashing his friends. So I'd say that Will had more of a sense of loyalty...he still looked out for himself first (like Roddy), but his friends did matter to him.

But of course Will takes the cake in terms of lying in everday conversation. :)

Jasonfan

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In fairness to Will, he did not manipulate people emotionally. He played on their greed and overconfidence, but did not use the borderline emotional abuse I see Roddy use.

I'd love to hear Will's opinion of R. What would have happened if they were both in the house?

Didn't R refer to himself as "Dr. Evil" today? Interesting. . .

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
now that roddy has made jason his new gf for the week will roddy be sleeping in the hoh with him?

Floresmama

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy is far and away more manipulative than Will because Will told everyone that he was gonna lie and cheat. Roddy is always portraying the honest man which he is not.

Hillbilly

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"now that roddy has made jason his new gf for the week will roddy be sleeping in the hoh with him? "


...inquirin minds want to know!!!! :)

Hillbilly

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
...well's, yes, will did lie...but he still had a heart...

..he was very kind to nicole when she was havin a meltdown...don't ya remember him buildin her a little cave with pillows to help her feel better...and this was after hardy and nicole had a treated will so poorly...

...i jest don't see that quality in the rodster...

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
so basically roddy is will without all wills positive qualitys

Hillbilly

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
...i don't think will and rodster are anything alike...they's two totally different types of people....will genuinely cared fer people when they needed help...that's not to say he 'liked' them...compassion...that's the word i's lookin for...will had compassion for people, even people he didn't like....

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i was just joking. not to many people thought will had any good qualities other than his sense of humor. the next god quality i see roddy show will be the first

Hillbilly

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
...i's thot will had alot of good qualities...he's jest playin the game...if people believe someone who says they are gonna lie to em then they's a bit foolish ifn yu's ask me...

Fabnsab

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gosh, guys, I know I'm not in the house dealing with him daily but I don't think roddy is THAT good. I think he has a weaker group of people, is all. Is it really good manipulation to nominate a girl, guarantee she is voted out unanimously, then when she comes back, tell her she is 400% more beautiful then when she left and now she completely is taken with him and even said if they were nominated together, she'd walk. I don't call that good, I call it lucky- lucky to have such dumb people in the house with him.

Willow_Woman

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Theo, actually I think Roddy shows god qualities all the time (at least in *his* mind he does).


;)

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
fab you are so right. they are all weak and stupid. roddy would have been nailed in last years show easy

Jasonfan

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If my memory serves me correctly, Will's instinct last year was to be good to others, but he held back. Remember when Nicole, Monica and Will were called into the DR to be told of the 9/11 happenings? As soon as Monica was told her cousin was missing, Will put his hand on her shoulder, then removed it.

At the same time, I think Roddy genuinely believes he is helping people. He just isn't. And he finds it necessary to point out every time he does anything good. A real sign of insecurity.

IMHO, the ultimate difference b/t the two? Will created a persona to win the game, Roddy is being himself to win the game.