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Tatyana

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually if Amy read most of these threads lately she'd come back from them feeling noone truly likes her and probably feeling more lonely that she does now.

Spunky

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Her mother knows of her habit and remember her smiling when she said..."she just had too much to drink...." during that first challenge..
didn't seem to me that worried about her daughter's drinking habit..

Abigail1970

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I give up, you obviously must know Amy much better than I do to realize she is sick and needs help.

What555456

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Abigail,

I am not attacking her. I am simply encouraging people to see what is going on. We haven't see just 2 instances -- the DWI and last night. She has wanted/desired alcohol almost every day she has been the the house and has gotten it whenever she can. None of the others focus on alcohol like she does. She has a real probem.

I encourage you to go to any 12 step program, go to any recovery house, go to any sober living house. Talk to those who go in and out of these programs. You will see people like Amy every where -- and all with people who love them and do not want to see the problem. And so, there is no one there to really help them.

Now is the time she needs to get the help. She is young with a life ahead of her. But if this denial in her and others goes on for another 5-10 years, it will be very sad.

Amajay

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if that's the gas station that she talks about hating all the time.

Erina75

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Abigail: When people observe destructive behavior in other people one can only assume that the person they are observing has some kind of problem/issue. Just like people who are depressed probably have some kind of problems or issues. Just like people who can't control their temper probably have problems or issues. People who drink to excess probably have some kind of problems or issues. These are just a few examples. People do things and exhibit certain behaviors when they have problems or issues. With the way Amy is constantly looking for alcohol, drinking every last drop and drinking herself into a stooper and now with the current information of her DWI, I personally think she has some kind of problems or issues. Do I think she is evil, no! Do I think she is the scum of the earth, no? Do I think she is a total mental case, no. Do I think she has a drinking problem and probably drinks to escape something within herself, yes. Do I think she needs help for that, yes. And I welcome you disagreeing...that's what makes the world go round.

Ryn

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She is cooped up in a house with 9 other loonies, they ask her to drink alcohol for the camera.....

She has 2 alcohol related items on her police record, one being possesion (again, chances are it was a party where many were taken in).

There are an awful lot of alcoholics out there if Amy is one.

Moderator

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Please stop making assumptions and diagnostic prognostications about the HGs!

You do not know if any of these people are alcoholics. You do not know if they are sick. You do not know if they have psychological problems. I don't care how much experience you have with alcoholics or psychiatric patients or whatever. YOU DON'T KNOW THESE PEOPLE! You only know what you see of them on a small screen in a closed environment where they are pitted against each other in a psychological game and what you read about them on a website that is roughly analagous to The National Enquirer.

There's so much bashing inherent in those assumptions and the statements being made around them, that it is impossible to moderate your posts without removing most of this thread.

You can talk about drinking behaviour, insecure behaviour, etc. in the house or related to external articles, but to then extrapolate and claim that someone is an alcoholic or in need of psychiatric assistance is just wrong.

You simply do not know these people or their real lives. Remember, this is a FAN CLUB site. Opinions are welcome. Bashing and presumptive diagnoses of HG's possible physical or psychological problems are not.
(c)

Woodpecke®

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She drinks before she is legal. She drives wrecklessly and ignores bench warrants. She goes in the BB3 house as one of the 12 and gets herself booted within a month because she refused to stay sober and attempt to win the game. When she gets out, she will see volumes of words written about her behavior, both good and bad. I did not say she would learn things she didn't already know, but it could serve as a wake-up call to any person that went through the experience she just finished. She definitely has been through quite a lot for a woman of 23, and she needs to stop hurting herself before it is too late.

Pcakes2

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What, please be careful when stating your opinions. Some people drink and get drunk..it does not make them an alcoholic.

Draheid

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you (c).

Pcakes2

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Mod(c)

Abigail1970

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All I know is that if I was silly enough to apply to BB and get picked (and I say silly because I would never want to get picked apart the way they do) the I would drink my butt off in that house for three months. If there was alcohol to be drunk, I would drink it!!! I would be in a house with NO responsibilities, the only thing I would need to do is make sure I stumble to the right bed. No worrying about getting home, calling a cab or whatever. I would live it up. And then I guess people on this board would call me an alcoholic. But having lived with one, I can assure you I'm not.

And thank you Moderator, that is exactly the point I was trying to make.

What555456

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Moderator

I will abide by your direction.


<Thank you. The rest of this was removed because this is not going to turn into a debate about the decision.>
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Julieboo

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with every word, Moderator! It cracks me up how passionate and angry (and mean) some posters are getting about someone they DO NOT EVEN KNOW!!!!!!!

Wcv63

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What, I don't see what you are doing as "encouraging" others not to enable.

I have lived with an addict and know all the signs. I know the manipulations, the lies (to both themselves and others)the attitudes, the denial, and the destruction involved. I know what it is like to encourage someone to seek help for a problem. I know what it is like to insist that others not enable. I know what it is like to "draw a line in the sand."

Although I believe that Amy is a problem drinker she does not strike me as an alcoholic.All of her alcohol related legal problems were over 3 years ago. She either has learned a lesson about drinking and driving or has been incredibly lucky.

Overindulging in social drinking is definitely a step in the wrong direction and she probably needs some intervention.

Granted, I have no "professional" experience in making this assessment but life experience is likely to count for something.

Woodpecke®

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would do everything I could to win $500,000, I certainly wouldn't go on a binge and act like a spoiled child. Running around in a stupor would not do anything. Drinking like that for no apparent reason seems silly to me, but you are entitled to feel your opinion.

Erina75

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not clear on where to draw the line? If I say (as I stated above) that it is my opinion, based on her actions that she probably needs some help, that is not OK? I didn't say that I was a Dr. and that she is a very sick person and she definitely needs help. It seems to me, just about every thread here is all peoples opinions. We are just making statements based on what we see. I am not trying to be difficult, I just want to make sure I understand and follow the rules. Thanks.

Wcv63

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was typing when MOD posted. I agree with that post and respectfully withdraw my comments.

Mystery

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wouldn't have acted like Amy did last night, but I'm not sure that any plans that she had previously made to win the $500,000 would do any good once she'd been told she was going to be unanimously evicted.

Woodpecke®

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You may be right, but she sure did nothing to fight for her survival in this "game".

Yellek

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I used to drink A LOT back in late high school early college. Almost every weekend I was at some party or holding a party of my own. I have no problem whatsoever with someone who drinks to excess in a safe environment. In fact I think it's extremely common in your early 20's. But... not once in my life have I gotten behind a wheel or endangered someone else due to my drinking. I may have been endangering myself healthwise, but that was for me to decide, no one else.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't approve of her DUI's in her past, but we don't know that she is still doing that. And definitely in the house she's not endangering anyone, just annoying them. I hardly drink at all anymore, but if I were locked up with that crowd, I'd probably like a drink or 3!

Earthmother

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Heck it's on 1:30 pm and after reading this I'm gonna have a drink! lol

Maybe more constructive things to do in the bb house and less alcohol given is the answer.

She's a young girl and we all did really silly things when we were young that we may or may not regret later.

What555456

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It will be interesting to see what type of discussions go on here now that we have been told because we do not know any of these people, we therefore cannot discuss what type of people they are or what type of problems or strengths they may or may not have.

A strange rule has been set down, one I do not recall from last year. And one which would stop the majority of comments on this Board.

Abigail1970

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The boredom must be crazy! I am quite certain that BB promotes the drinking a bit, they'd have to be if Citrona is one of there sponsors. That doesn't excuse Amy's DUI but I'd like to give her a break and say she learned something.

Shoot, at least she wasn't one of the girls (not to mention any names) that were swallowing and licking the rims of their beer bottles. Ewwww..