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Eden

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How do you threaten someone with a "promise"? If there is no reprisal for breaking your word, I still don't understand the threat aspect. You might make some folks mad and perhaps feel a bit badly personally about the betrayal... otherwise ??? Okay... Ummm... I guess Danielle wasn't playing to win after all. Didn't she think Amy would notice she'd broken the "promise" when Roddy was voted out? Why is it any different now?

Crazydog

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is a reprisal, it's the court of public opinion. Dani doesn't want everyone to think that she is not an honorable woman. Moreover, maybe she doesn't want all of America to think she is not an honorable woman. Sometimes your personal morals and code of ethics can be compromised, but in this case Dani got herself trapped. Her big mistake was in giving her word out like it was candy.

Deeya

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The difference is in when Amy found out the word was broken... if she didn't find out until after the eviction.. Dani could smooth it over saying she got in there and thought about her kids and just couldn't take a chance on losing the money to Roddy... Since Amy found out before the voting.. Amy knows that it was planned from the beginning and Dani never meant to keep her word...

The first way.. Amy might have been convinced that Dani wasn't really intending to manipulate her... but now she knows that was the intention ("I feel like a pawn and have been used...")

Saggkl

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Gina, they are driving me crazy. Change, change, change.

Saggkl

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eden I agree. If they would just watch Amy when she looks at Roddy they would know. I think she would even dump Marc for Roddy.

Saggkl

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bb3, she has Amy against her now even if she does vote Chi. And by default Marc

Eden

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly, Sagg.. So what is Danielle's benefit for changing her vote now? That is my point! The damage is done. Keep Chiara a potential ally. Keeping Roddy is just asking to lose the game!

Eden

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I disagree, Crazy... Her big mistake was in not having the guts to go through with her plan. Amy ALREADY knows she intended to break her promise. The fact that she keeps it later won't change the fact that Amy is going to go after her! Amy still will feel betrayed whether she actually WAS or not, at this point.

Wilsonatmd

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The problem is, I think Dani was thinking too far ahead. She's thinking towards the votes at the end. There are 8 or 9 votes, if they follow last year's proccess (each of the 2 finalists can eliminate one of the 10 evicted HG's final votes, but it appears they could eliminate the same person thus there could be 9 votes), and Dani was tring to make sure she has the 5 needed to avoid the tiebreak (a home audience vote, again per last year). She votes Roddy out now, she thinks she loses Roddy, Amy, and Marc's votes in the final, even with her elimination, she would still need 5 votes out of the remaining 6 or 7 to win outright, and 4 to possibly let it go to the audience, and she doesn't think she can get those votes, or isn't sure she could win the audience vote. She votes Chiara, she thought she could at least not lose those 2 votes right now. It's pretty logical thinking, but she's forgetting you have to make it to the final 2 before you can start to count votes....Dani has probably lost the game by trying to think too far ahead, and if her group doesn't win HOH she's gone next week, and maybe she has to win HOH herself....I think Jason and Lisa might distance themselves from her, especially if Roddy wins HOH this week.

Maris

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, it was thinking too far ahead and ego. The problem is some of these people like Josh and Dani start to believe their own press and influence. They get ahead of themselves.

Saggkl

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Roddy stays, I don't see how Dani can win. Unless she gets HOH and puts up Marci and Amy and break that couple up, leaving only one of them to be on Roddy's team.

Wilsonatmd

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
if Dani gets HOH, Roddy and either Amy or Marc are up for sure....She'll use the threat of having her group vote out Amy or Marc to the other to avoid a veto of anyone...if there is a veto, Gerry goes up. Dani's group would contol the vote (4 people vote next week, and HOH will break the tie.) In fact if any of Dani's group gets HOH, Roddy is gone. Amy can't win it, and Gerry is a wild card. So the odds for Roddy lasing another week are not good, unless he or Marc gets HOH.

Bigbrotherbelle

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dani was thinking that if she broke her word to Amy, then the others in the house would know she broke her word. She wouldn't be able to say "You have my word and my word is my gold," anymore to get someone to believe or confide in her. IF she breaks her word to Chiapet, then only Chiapet would know and she would know only after she got the news from Julie that she's outta there. Danielle and Chiapet gave each other their word and as far as Dani knew, Chiara did not tell anyone Dani gave her word.

On top of that, Amy will still be in the house, so someone that she broke her word to may come after her. If she breaks her word to Chiara instead, that means Chia won't be in the house to come after her.

Maris

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good take on it bigbrotherbelle, I still dont see dani voting chia out once she got in that DR.

Wendo

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I posted this in another thread, but it bears repeating here...

Well, at this point, all we know is that Dani promised Amy three votes for eviction. Did she specifically promise Amy HER (Dani's) vote? Because, that scenario could exist. So, in a sense, Dani would be ok here. She promises Amy three votes so that Chiara gets evicted. Ja, Mar, and Li are likely voting for Chi. So, if Dani votes to evict Roddy, she isn't breaking her word to Amy because Chi is still gone with the required three votes.

Until we see tonights show, we just don't know what kind of promise Dani made.

However, if Dani promised her three votes without specifically saying HER vote, then I'm willing to let her slide if she votes to evict Roddy. It's all in the wording I guess.

Though, Amy knows where Gerry's voting, so she might know how the votes went. But then, Dani only needs to point out that I never gave you my word on my vote, only that there would be at least three.

So, Dani would be ok there.

However, she is in trouble and she must, at least, try for HOH this week. She can't throw it like she's done in the past. She has to go for it with gusto. She's in more jeapordy this coming week than she ever has been.

Crossfire

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I want L and J to sit D down, and bust her chops a bit asking why the sudden change.

What answer could D possibly give that would satisfy them?

Just because SHE(D) gave her word to A, is not going to cut it. And even if it was OK for her to switch, that is probably not going to justify running to J to have him change his vote. He(J), should be really angry about this.

I am completely blown away by this. D is officially the biggest pushover I've ever seen.

She(D) had NOTHING to gain by this. She(D) can't even claim she kept her word. She was screwed in that regard the moment she promised to have C's back while promising A that she would get C.

ZERO gain for her. Except now, she still has a major opponent in the house in R who was just given the scoop by the one she folded to A.

J will be angry at her, A is angry with her, M is just a bigmouthed flip-flopping wuss like she is and would be angry either way, R is angry, C is angry, L is probably going to be angry.

The only one who might not hate her, is G, and she can't stand him.

So now her word is shot, no one will trust her, three people are gunning for her, and I doubt she has any endgame votes now.

Bye Bye D. Too bad you used your own shovel to dig the hole.

Jagger

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Danny was thinking of the finals when she supposably changed her mind and decided to keep Roddy, this will definitly back fire on her. What is even worse is that it will back fire on Jason, Roddy has already said he does not trust Jason and wants Jason out ASAP. If Gerry, Mars or Amy win you can expect to see Jason and Danny on the block. Roddy will convince everyone not to use POV and than he will convince them to boot Jason because of his disloyalty to him saying you can't trust him.

Roddy does not want to win hoh because than he would have to nominate people and he doesn't want that, he would rather his pawns do it for him.

Spunkydoo

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lets see:

Danielle could have evicted her biggest threat (Roddy), and kept Chiara as a blind ally. Amy would be mad for her not keeping her word, or...

Danielle could evict her blind ally (Chiara), and kept her biggest threat (Roddy). Amy will be mad at her for planning to break her word.

So...

No Roddy + Mad Amy = "Sorry Amy, had to be done."

or

Roddy + Mad Amy = "So long Dani!"

Pesto

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I cannot wait until Danni attempts to dig her way out of this (assuming she needs to). She has shown enough skill in the house to make it happen.

Remember that there are lies galore in the house that can be seized upon, and J and L still trust D more than R,A, and M, IMO. Mars better watch his back because he made this flip occur (did it actually happen?) so he may have cemented his untrustworthiness (and at least his big mouthedness) in front of A,D,L,J, and perhaps G. When D finds out about A blabbing to Rod (and she will thru M), then A is in for some serious emotional turmoil caused by D. I can see M and A falling out over this incident (potentially fueled by jealousy over A and R's new found bond? hmmm)

Also, with Chi out of the house, R (and his ego) will start playing A and L harder. M or D can make sure the other HGs notice R's "throwing his girl [C] to the curb."

BB3 is all about adapting to changing circumstances. Some players have no clue (A,Jo,Chi, the old L), and some players are crafty or smart but are little tardy/emotional (new L, M, R) and some are straight up pimps (D, J yeah thats right J).

Don't hate the playa, hate the game...

Deeya

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Roddy (if still in the house) is going after Dani.. not Jason.. unless he knows (or learns) that Jason is in an alliance with Dani, his big complaint with Jason is that he voted out Eric... however, he has also justified that several times over the last two weeks...

Remember.. most of these HG don't know (or didn't before today) that there is an alliance with Dani/Jason and they all seem to feel they don't know where his head is/who he is voting for etc.

Roddy may put up Dani/Jason if he is HoH.. but he's going to go after Dani who he KNOWS is after him.

Crossfire

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, if I was Roddy, I would put up D/J given the chance.

And I have no idea how the votes would go.

Ms_Snoodle

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Aaaaarrrrrrggggggg!!! I popped in to find out the latest BB happenings and now I have to go throw up! I was so happy thinking Roddy was going this week and now I am a wreck thinking that D/J/L are going to act stupidly for the 2nd week in a row! Roddy NEEDS TO GO NOW! Please let me wake up from this nightmare! (buries head under pillow to muffle screams)

Wendo

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Do you think Roddy's going to go for HOH? I just can't tell with him.

These HG's are leading me to an early grave. Their stress is my stress. I've resorted to turning off the feeds for today. I JUST CAN'T TAKE IT!

Dani telling Ja the opposite thing and exposing herself and Ja like that, IN FRONT OF AMY?! I'm just hoping Amy didn't really catch what went on there. Ugh. I have a headache.

Eden

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did Danielle honestly think Amy wouldn't talk about the fact that she was planning on breaking her word? Once Amy confronted her, she should have known that EVERYONE would know! She might as well have gone and voted Roddy out because the damage was DONE! Now, not only does Amy feel betrayed but Lisa and Jason should too, because now she has made them targets as well! She really made a mess if she didn't vote out Roddy. I can't see how she thought there would be any benefit to changing her vote. I hope she's out next. Danielle thinks and manipulates well but she doesn't have the courage to follow through. She deserves to lose if she changed her vote.

Crossfire

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Their is a new nasty chain of information they all need to be careful of now.

Anything M knows A knows.
Anything A knows R knows.

M=A=R it seems.

M is the big pain in the ass this year.