Archive through August 28, 2002
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Archive through August 28, 2002
Maris | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:04 am     actually she was bothered about him pointing a broom handle or stick at her and saying something about her liking to be on top. That is what I got from the live feeds. If anybody heard differently let me know. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:07 am     Gerry has heard them being VERY sexually explicit in conversations and this comment sounds like a very lame attempt to fit in with the "cool" kids. It made Lisa uncomfortable because Gerry isn't young, attractive, hip and cool. She doesn't flirt with him like she has the others. All very understandable but the facts don't bear out the sexual harrassment charges. |
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:08 am     Did she say anything to him at all about being inappropriate? They are indeed in a work setting, so sexual harassment is a serious situation--even in the house. I'm thinking back to all the things the girls have said where Jason has come right out and told them a number of times he is not comfortable with what they are saying---no one has suggested that is sexual harassment in the work place. Yet Gerry is of course guilty of this for what he's done tonight? Marc/Danni, are you sure you are in the house, and not posting on the board? |
Trillian | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:13 am     Hotty_Toddy, you're so right. The sexually inappropriate behavior and comments from Gerry are way over the line. That Lisa recognizes that is a sign of health. Not that the situation is the same, obviously but it reminds me of this - I'm a family law attorney and I can't tell you how many women I see who keep picking the same sort of losers over and over. The women who don't recognize a pattern have no idea what they're doing. If the topic of their fathers comes up, inevitably, they weren't Dad of the Year candidates... some women, as girls, get accustomed to mistreatment. Women who had healthy upbringings - or bad upbringings but with good therapy - recognize abusive and inappropriate behavior. |
Maris | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:14 am     Lance no she didnt say anything. According to her Danni told her she should go to the Diary room about it but she didnt think she could do it. She even said to Roddy when he asked why she didnt file a complaint, I walk around here in a thong bathing suit. Which I thought was a very strange statement. Was she saying I had it coming? Very odd in todays age to say something like well look at me I wear a thong bathing suit. I did not witness what Gerry did so I am only going by her relating what he did. Maybe someone saw the incident??????????? |
Hosewater | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:16 am     If anyone in that house can complain of sexual harassment it's Jason, who has been the target of many a comment from Chiara, Lisa, Amy, and even Danielle. They all should know better. The only thing Gerry is guilty of is forgetting that he's not young and hip and does not fit in with the pottymouth crowd. |
Zeyna | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:16 am     I guess at this point Gerry can do no right. They all seem to be taking any kind of house related frustration, and taking it out on Gerry because they can "openly" bi*ch about it together. I can appreciate that Lisa may feel uncomfortable with Gerry "flirting" with her (sorry, I just can't even picture this), but she should at least make some attempt to let him know that. |
Hosewater | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:19 am     Hypocrite alert! Did Lisa complain when Josh slapped her on the butt repeatedly? That, by the way, is a perfect example of workplace sexual harassment. Get in line, guys... Josh, Gerry, Eric, Roddy... You're all gettin' sued by Lisa the hypocrite. |
Dagny | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:22 am     "actually she was bothered about him pointing a broom handle or stick at her and saying something about her liking to be on top. That is what I got from the live feeds. If anybody heard differently let me know. " What Lisa was demonstrating on the live feeds...was Gerry playing an "air guitar" (there was no broom...there was NO sexual advance with a broom) He was pretending to play an air guitar and making up a song about how she likes it on top. Ok...this grossed Lisa out.. However how much have they talked about sex? (I did not see Gerry do this...I base my recount of events by the words and actions of Lisa) |
Loppes | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:23 am     No, Lisa did not have it coming. Gerry was nothing short of rude, crude and obnoxious to her. She said she didn't go to the Diary Room because there's not much she felt they would do. It wasn't a strange statement for Lisa to say she walks around in a thong. Basically she said, if she complained she felt that would be the comeback at her. She felt uncomfortable, uneasy and disturbed, rightfully so. Anyone one who thinks Lisa deserved what Gerry said, and his action with the broomstick, needs to consider seriously their views of women. I will defend Lisa to death against Gerry, she is a classy woman with deep insight and wisdom, she's not going to rock the boat. She took the high road in relation to what Gerry said and did. Even Roddy founding it disgusting. Time for bed. Lon |
Dagny | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:26 am     Loppes....did you see what Gerry did to Lisa?? (I did not) Did you see when Lisa told the story? (I did)Just asking... |
Hosewater | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:26 am     I will defend Lisa to death against Gerry, she is a classy woman with deep insight and wisdom Wow, you don't get out much. You've GOT to meet more people in this world. "A classy woman" does not demonstrate oral sex on national TV. "A classy woman" does not jump into bed, again on national TV, with a man she's known for less than a week. "A classy woman" does not wear a thong bikini, or a peanut butter bikini for that matter, in front of pseudo-strangers. "A classy woman" does not diddle a man's doo-dah on national TV. "A classy woman" does not tongue-kiss another woman while completely drunk.
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Lujie | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:28 am     Amen Hosewater! |
Zeyna | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:28 am     I didn't see this either, but from the Lisa's convo with Roddy, both Dani and Roddy were in the room at the time. Dani walked out (and may have felt weird about what she saw - could not understand the point Lisa made here) and Roddy was there (but could not recall the incident when she was telling him about it). That's what I got from what she said to Roddy. I wish someone saw this so that we can get a better perspective. |
Maris | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:29 am     Sorry Lance, I missed one part of your post. Are you minimizing lisa's concerns by saying Marc or Danni are posting on the boards? I dont know if Gerry showed her a broom handle and made the comment about her being on top, I didnt see it. However, I am truly amazed at the posters here who are making excuses about how such a statement could have been made. It astounds me. I myself find it hard to believe that Gerry said that. I could understand if someone posted that they didnt believe he said it. I can't fathom how posters can say well Did she complain???? Oh there is so much trash talk going on he is trying to be cool. I realize people are going to say Oh there goes Maris bashing Gerry again. I can't address that but I can say as a victim of sexual harrassment which resulted in me receiving a settlement, I find that any excuse made for such behavior to be totally vile. |
Hosewater | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:30 am     Maris, did you speak up about sexual harassment when Chiara offered to pee in Jason's mouth? Hmmm? |
Laura11103 | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:30 am     I didn't see the incident, but all I can say is *yuck* I'd hate to be Lisa when Gerry made that comment. |
Maris | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:31 am     I only said broom handle or stick because that is what Lisa said. She didnt say air guitar. She said handle or stick. As I said I did not see the incident and an impartial observer who saw it could greatly add to this. |
Loppes | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:31 am     Dagny, Yes and yes. Hosewater, I know enough as a man to treat women with respect and not point broomhandles at them asking of they like it on top. I dated lots and was married to a beautiful woman, until she passed away. I wouldn't have ever considered doing such a grotesque, action toward any woman, even as a joke. Lon |
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:32 am     I never once said Lisa deserved what she got. All I said was that the Gerry bashers and lawyers have not been willing to admit that waht has happened to Jason a multiple of times (and he did say something abut it) is sexual harassment. What happened to Amy with the women in the shower when they invited her in was also sexual harassment if whay Gerry did qualifies as such. no one has said squat about it till now with Gerry. Wait, wasn't one of the women that did that to Amy our classy woman with deep insight and wisdom (and the one who gave very detasiled graphic demonstation of how to give oral sex)? All I'm trying to point out is that a number of you don't apply the same rules evenly across the HG spectrum. I never once said Gerry was ok with anything he said or did concernning this---only that it's not till now anyone is claiming sexual harassment. |
Hosewater | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:33 am     Maris, I think the only excuse that people are offering about Gerry's joke song (there was no broomstick) is this: Everyone else in the house, save Jason, has been talking sex for six weeks. Gerry is just under the mistaken impression that the others feel he is part of the group. He's trying to join in, making sexual innuendo just as they all are (including Lisa). For Lisa to get mad at him is simply hypocritical in this situation. She, and the others, have made far more graphic and shocking sexual comments and gestures. |
Maris | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:34 am     Hosewater, this isnt about me. Everytime I post you seem to attack me. I have stated more than once I did not see the incident only Lisas relaying of the information. If you want to start a thread about an evicted houseguest peeing into anothers mouth, knock yourself out and I may have a comment to make. Otherwise, I am missing your point. |
Loppes | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:37 am     Look, a man twice married and admitted visitor to a nudist colony, isn't my idea of a great teacher example to students. Gerry needs an education in many things, he's dumb. Now I better hit the sack if I expect to go get school supplies for my daughter in the morning. Lon |
Hosewater | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:38 am     A case of sexual harassment near where I live some years ago: A group of men and women in a government agency are standing around telling jokes, mostly dirty ones. A male supervisor walks by, sees everyone having fun, and joins the crowd. When there is a pause in the joke-telling, he tells a dirty joke of his own. One of the women present (who had told several dirty jokes during this get-together) decides to sue her supervisor and the agency for sexual harassment. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HER CO-WORKERS testified against her, saying that they all were telling dirty jokes, including her. But she claims that when the supervisor told his joke, he looked right at her at the end. A jury awards her $300,000+ Eventually she gets very little of it. What do you think? |
Dagny | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 12:39 am     THIS IS HOW THIS THING STARTED... Dani, Amy, and Lisa in HOH..bashing Gerry.. Lisa came out with this statement how Gerry sang a song to her, how she likes it on top.. (this happened a long time ago) Lisa demonstrated playing an air guitar...and said Gerry sang a song how she likes it on top. Lisa totally denies that she ever made a comment that she likes it on top (Should we check the tape??) Gerry has become a "dirty old man" a long with a "dirty pig" If Lisa was sexually harassed(by Gerry)...I am all for it hanging him.. Unfortunately I think Eric sexually harassed her more then Gerry. Gerry made comments...that they find offensive since they are not attracted to him... Period. I have heard more vulgar comments out of Chi's mouth! Bottom line...if they don't want Gerry to give feed back...then don't include him in these conversations..and they have! |
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