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Micknrc

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 07:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What--

The straight porn vs. gay porn was a facet (though not a belabored one) of the discussion.

Max

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy is playing Marcellus again. Remember, this is the guy who his friends describe as being so charming he could get onto a plane without a ticket if he wanted.

Roddy knows he needs to make new allies. Chiara and Eric are gone. He's not sure he can trust Jason or Gerry. He knows he can't trust Dani. Amy and Lisa are wild cards. Marcellus is the easiest one to influence right now.

He started this with the hot tub convo earlier this week. This is just an extension of the strategy, IMHO.

What cracks me up is that he used to get frustrated with Josh because Josh was ALWAYS thinking of strategy for playing the game and never relaxed and just had fun. I think Roddy does the same thing, he just handles the stress better than Josh did.

How many times does the camera catch Roddy just sitting and staring? Lots. At those times, the wheels in his head are churning coming up with new approaches to the game. This guy is smart and he also seems to really like people. Combine those two with this game and you get a guy who can keep the big picture in mind while making friends and pushing the right buttons to get just enough people on his side so he can stay in the house.

Between Roddy and Dani, you've basically got two very BIG players. This might work to Jason's advantage if he can stay below the radar enough.

In any case, it's all this strategizing that makes the game interesting. :)

Foodbunny

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good for him. Porn is good, it doesn't make you hostile towards women or sick or disturbed. It doesn't make people attack you in dark alleys. It's an expression of human sexuality for the purpose of arousing the viewer and is neutral. I feel more comfortable around people who are able to admit that they enjoy porn than people who don't, personally.

It makes me happy to see Roddy and Marcellas bonding, it would be rough for Roddy to have to spend the rest of his time in the house without any friends.

Jaysgal

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Roddy's big secret may be that he is actually 50 years old (he has that look I have seen with guys that age at my health club, who keep in good shape), and that he has been living as a gay man all his adult life."

I too thought that Roddy was older than 30. He looks like it. And Marcellas too was convinced that Roddy was lying.

However, from checking his record, I believe him now. His real name is Richard Mancuso. He's truly a Richie. :P Yes, he really is 30 years old (31 by now). He's going bald at an early age, though. I'm guessing that he stresses just too much (that's why he is going bald). Playing with people's minds certainly sucks a lot out of people because they are thinking all the time.

I do believe that Roddy is messing with Marcellas' mind. He knows that Marcellas is in love with him, or, rather, attracted to him. If Marcellas is attracted to him, then he can exploit it like he did in Chiara's case. But he knows that Marcellas' kind of attraction is not blinded as was Chiara's. He has to come across as charming and fond to be around for Marcellas to stick with him. He won't be abusing Marcellas anytime soon.

I am still very suspicious that Roddy has issues with women, except his mum and really is gay.

Guiltyviewer

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bohawkins, LOL---thanks for the chuckles!

Twig, I totally agree.

Bernie, I see you're gonna be sassy today!!!:)

Justmary, your memory's fine---does seem odd huh??

Max, excellent insight IMHO!

Wcv, he DID have some booze so that might have contributed to his feeling comfy with the topic.
I'm all for him hitting the bottle if it'll give our Jason an advantage in being on his guard since we know Jason will always be sober. Bottoms up, Roddy!

Mrdisguise

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did Roddy mention gay porn or talk about the male porn stars? Was he trying to get Marcellas excited? Is Roddy sexually frustrated and he wants to have sex with Marcellas?

There are guys out there who watch porn with other guys. They get horny and they have sex with each other. Maybe this is something similar.

Guiltyviewer

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gay porn was discussed but I wouldn't say it was the primary focus, and yes...the guys clearly :) said they were sexually frustrated which is how the porn topic came up in the first place --- talking about what they missed doing while in the house specifically.

I did not get the feeling Roddy was 'making a pass' at Marc, just possibly trying to find some common ground, whether for manipulative purposes solely or in fact, just some 'male bonding' as others have suggested is likely.

Deirpg

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Foodbunny said, "Good for him. Porn is good, it doesn't make you hostile towards women or sick or disturbed. It doesn't make people attack you in dark alleys. It's an expression of human sexuality for the purpose of arousing the viewer and is neutral."

Umm, not really sure what neutrality has to do with porn, but I totally disagree that porn doesn't make you hostile towards women. Women are in a subservient role consistently in porn movies and mags. Men and boys who grow up viewing it begin to see this male-dominated society as normal and as acceptable, and it isn't. And if you think that porn is so great, where's the line? What about rape porns? How normal can it be for women like me to have to constantly look behind them to ensure that they're not the next victim of a rape porn viewer interested in acting out his twisted fantasies? How many more people need to be busted with kiddie porn immediately after being busted for the murder or rape of a child? Where do you draw the line between good and bad porn then? And if you don't trust somebody because they don't view porn, perhaps you should stop and think about what porn opponents think about you.

In regards to Roddy and his porn habits...ewwww. Any respect or admiration I had for him has disappeared. :(

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
well many guys like porn but I never heard of renting or buying 12 at a time. Heck they are all about the same. 2 at a time sounds like more than enough. I just think roddy is in love with himself so he needs an excuse to touch himself and blames it on the porn. lol

Foodbunny

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Women are also consistantly in a dominate role in porn. There's porn of every flavor, from women being called filthy pigs, to women kicking guys in the balls, to just two people plain enjoying themselves. Porn today is not like the exploitation films from the 70's, the women who star in porn these days aren't forced into doing anything they don't want. They control the setting, who they are with, and what is going to happen.

Someone who has a rape fantasy is more likely to find people who share his interest and act out their fantasty in a safe setting than to risk being sent to jail for their jollies. The internet has helped people with fetishes like this that could easily be taken wrong to find each other.

I am female and I don't worry about people who watch porn at all. I feel a little sorry for the people who are obsessed with it, but I do not feel threatened by them. Obviously child pornography is wrong, kids can't consent. But anything between any number of consenting adults gets my full-hearted approval.

Draco

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Foodbunny - I agree. There's nothing wrong with consenting adults exploring their sexuality this way. In fact, I think in moderation it is healthy.

Roddy and the dozen videos at a time...well, that seems a bit excessive to me. And suddenly being open to talking about it after ragging on Chiara for embarassing him...I was suprised by the admission.

Deirpg

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, Foodbunny, many women do NOT control the setting, who they are with, and what is going to happen in porn. In a documentary called "American Porn", an actress is raped and beaten after she consented to regular porn. What do you think she can do about this? NOTHING.

The women who dominate in porn aren't doing it to further other women in society. They're doing it because there is a market that is turned on by this. If I had to venture a guess, though, I would guess that this market is significantly smaller than the viewers who like to see women being beaten, raped, and generally taken advantage of.

As a woman, you don't feel threatened by someone who is addicted to porn? Geez, I admire your feeling of security because I sure don't feel safe around that.

Bbnan

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just don't date or marry anyone who is obsessed with porn! They are messed up big time.

Deirpg

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yup, Bbnan, I totally agree with you. Spouses who are obsessed with porn can totally destroy one's self-esteem and self-worth.

Kennyb

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There is a HUGE difference between watching and knowing porn.......and vividly discussing your sexual escapades with 50+ men with everyone that will listen.Just because Roddy watches porn doen NOT make him a freak.I would bet the MAJORITY of males 18-30 have seen their fair share of porn.Roddy was just trying to bond with M.If I were him I would still have been embarrassed of the stuff Chiara was talking about.Watching and actually DOING are not the same thing.

Micknrc

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yikes. Another thread turns ugly. mick creeps towards the exit...but turns around to say one last thing...

Look folks, unless you watched it this morning, you probably don't understand, it was fun and it was funny, and I was wiping tears away from my eyes as I sat at my desk at 6:45a.m. on a Friday and I enjoyed the hell out of it. And I'm a chick. Lots of guys (and girls) enjoy erotica (is the 'porn' word what gets everyone's knickers in a knot?) and a healthy sexuality is not a bad thing and doesn't lead to mass-murders or we wouldn't have this whole planet overpopulation problem.
As to the 'double standard' issue, the bulk of what oozed out of Chiara's mouth (check the banishchiara site for direct quotes) was less about her sexuality and more about attention-grabbing by any means necessary. I felt sorry for her extreme neediness, (and grossed out less by her sexual self-admissions than by her menstrual talk and constant assault on Jason's sensibilities) but the convo between Mar and Roddy (hate them if you will) was just two guys talking between themselves like randy lads do the world over.

Kennyb

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great post Micknrc!!!!

Kmjm

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to agree with Dierpg that porn is not neutral- it tells lies. Most porn is totally geared toward the male. It is true both men and women are turned into objects who have loveless, impersonal sex, but women are even further demeaned. Erotica is something else- but where do you draw the line? And what about all the child pornography?

I've thought that Roddy was a sexist jerk from the start, so this doesn't change my mind. It just gives me another reason to feel this way.

Milesquade

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mrdisguise asked:

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Did Roddy mention gay porn or talk about the male porn stars? Was he trying to get Marcellas excited? Is Roddy sexually frustrated and he wants to have sex with Marcellas?
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THAT would be interesting, considering that (according to Marcellas) he is ALWAYS the top, hehehehehe.

It doesn't surprise (or bother) me that Rod loves porn. And on 99 cent day at the video store here in Studio City I often see guys walking out with 12 or more videos (I have a HUGE sexual appetite and even I can't figure it out). What does surprise me is Marcellas having sexual frustration, between his germaphobia and the way he talked about sex, I got the idea that he wasn't someone who had much of an appetite for it. He seemed to like to tell good stories, but was also very particular about what he would and wouldn't do (and it seemed that the "wouldn't do" list was VERY long).

Llkoolaid

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't read this on lfs. I guess I must have missed it.

12 porn at a time, wouldn't that cause blisters?

Llkoolaid

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The next time Roddy gets frustrated with the game someone should tell him to get a grip.lol

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani just brought up the guys' conversation that she overheard last night saying they were talking "nasty"....but Marce and Roddy innocently claimed they were talking scripture. They all laughed and then Dani tried to remember exactly what she overheard, when Roddy volunteered to remind her. Roddy went into his routine about the fact that "there are no friends in the adult section", that if you even step on someone's toe you don't have to say "excuse me" because there is "no talking in the adult section", how if he is about to rent a porn tape and hears a mother and kids in the main room where the counter is, he may have to hide out in the back section for 36 minutes out of embarrassment and shame. They were all laughing (except Jason who is a bit uptight about such things).

The entire thing smacked of a comedy routine that George Carlin might have done....it was social observation that was exagerrated and then laughed about. I wouldn't be surprised if he got some or all of those remarks out of some stand-up comedian's comedy routine, especially since he did a second show this morning with the exact same material, only not as in depth.

As for whether or not he knew any of the gay stars...keep in mind that there are numerous male porn actors that star in both gay and str8 porn.

Wcv63

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LLkoolaid: :O

Guiltyviewer

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran, Roddy left out waaaaaay more than he included. No way would he be able to share with the group the 'whole truth' of what he and Marc talked about.

Efilon

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"He's going bald at an early age, though. I'm guessing that he stresses just too much (that's why he is going bald)."

Stress causes baldness. Well, gee, I always thought it was an inherited thing and the tendency for it passed down from the maternal side.

So Roddy watches some porn and he and Marcellus discussed it. Sounds like something guys do! I swear, Roddy couldn't take a dump without a lot of people around here finding an ulterior motive behind it.

I like Roddy, and I don't think he is any more manipulative than Dani.