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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Archives One: Amy FURIOUS with Danielle: Archive through August 21, 2002

Zachsmom

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think what bugs me so much about Dani & her word to Amy is that Dani has a deal with Roddy..Dani cannot put Roddy up for eviction..if she didn't have that deal than I wouldn't have a problem..

HOH is supposed to be able to nominate who they want..if Dani didn't make a promise to Amy, Jason would have been up..but in the end the "House" ala Dani decided on who would be nominated..

Bernie

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Er, Tortie...I know, I'm a Brit. I was wordplaying-that's why I used the devil clipart icon

Reader234

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good points! Ilike how you summed things up also Wc, but wanted to add I appreciate Ladytx post, I think that also needed to besaid, albeit off topic to some degree. As a former lurker ladytx, just thought I'd warn you, its hard not to join in the fun of posting, and this message board tendds to be friendly!!

So post, join the fun...

It is curious also in the context of the game, how much he said she said gets whispered. I'm sure I would want to try and find out what people are saying behind my back, to try and determine if there is a hg I can trust, to try and bait them? It is a game played 24/7, and I think AS had a point (gag) when he said it was harder than you think! I also remember Nicoles comments outside the house, of how her personality did change, and Iwont even try to comment on Will's, but the one smart thing he did is keep reminding us in the dr entries that he lies!! I know I hated that and wondered when the hg would get a clue, and perhaps I need to keep that in mind, the best way to play this game is to stay under the radar, and lie!! (strategize, politicize...)

Ellenkats

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jimmer -- well, Roddy already nominated Amy once and got her evicted .... how many times does he need to do this to realize he isn't her friend or ally? He also treats her like some pet-project -- as if he personally re-created her. Gag.

Earthmother

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy strongarmed to get rid of Amy..Chiara strongarmed to get rid of Josh.. and Amy wants to do the same..what's the dif?

Pulk

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ah im a Brit myself so i know arse = ass, just thought some Americans had a different use for the word. :)

Babyruth

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ladytex, I was glad to read your post. :)

Please don't leave or go back to lurker mode. This board brings together people from many walks and experiences, and there have been and will continue to be many opportunities for us to educate each other. Your input and participation is valued. Thanks.

Bailey

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A rose is a rose.. Looking someone in the eyes, holding their hand and guaranteeing they have the 3 votes needed to evict Chiara, may not be "strongarming".. but the result is still the same. Whether Dani used threats to get her way, or tried to pull on Amy's heartsrings.. she manipulated the vote to go her way. Who's calling the shots in that house? Roddy? Think again.

Pulk

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Double standards though isn't it. Amy isn't allowed to put forward her preferred choice yet the house have no qualms about voting her out 7-0 after Roddy's speech. Also how is Amy wanting 3 votes for Chiara from the house any different to Dani pressuring Amy on who to put on the block?

Battlestar

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
---so let me see if I have this straight.

Jason and Danielle both have deals to not nominate Roddy--so they let Amy win HOH--but Amy has her own ideas about who she wants out---so they Danielle promises to deliver 3 votes for Chiara as long as Roddy goes up instead of Jason

Maris

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep battlestar, can you believe the arrogance of Amy.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Pressuring Amy? Hmmmm....like I said in another thread people will see this differently based on their own likes, dislikes and biases. I have mine and have made my own determination on this subject.

I think we're going to be talking in circles trying to put across our very disparate points of view based on personal bias.

I promise I won't strongarm anyone in order to convince them to see things my way.

What555456

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why do we even care who promised what to whom? The purpose of this game is to win. The way to do so is to lead people on, lie, backstab -- and all the while do it in such a way as to not alienate your base.

I don't care what Amy promised and I don't care what Dani promised. I like the strategizing to win.

Amy has every right to be angry if she feels she was led down a primrose path. Dani has every right to go back on her word and do what she feels needs to be done to win.

Roddy has every right to sit back and stoke the fires of anger to try to stay.

In the end, though....Roddy is gone this week. Lisa and Jason want him gone. Dani's logic will tell her having Roddy in the house is more of a threat than having Amy mad at her.

After all, who cares if Amy is angry? The woman will always be angry when she does not get her way. This is nothing new -- and this will not be the last time.

Nermal

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Battlestar, They gave Amy the HOH to save her sorry arse form ORD. They gave it after she agreed that she was going to put up Roddy and Chiara. They figured that was who they wanted up anyhow. So, they helped her, but saving her and got the same thing accomplished that they wanted to do anyhow. Amy then changed her mind after Roddy smooth talked her.

Nermal

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Battlestar, they gave Amy the HOH to save her sorry arse form ORD. They gave it after she agreed that she was going to put up Roddy and Chiara. They figured that was who they wanted up anyhow. So, they helped her by saving her and got the same thing accomplished that they wanted to do anyhow. Amy then changed her mind after Roddy smooth talked her.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nermal I agree with both of your posts! LOL

Battlestar

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nermal---she didn't agree to anything. Jason asked her who she thought she was going to put up--she never agreed to anything when she was in the tub. Jason couldn't put Roddy up because of his agreement, so he was going to be like Danielle and let Amy do their dirty work, while they got to remain pristine --cause they've never had to nominate anyone

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Battlestar you certainly are passionate in your beliefs! As I see it, she did agree. But then again we are looking at this from two very different points of view.

Zachsmom

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They didn't "give" Amy the HOH..she KNEW she had to win it otherwise she would have been gone..she would have sat in that tub until the bitter end!

Battlestar

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Danielle arranges the votes so Roddy leaves/ she will win the $50,000 prize if she is in the final 2.

If she honors her promise, she will win the $500,000 if in the final 2

Getting there is not guarantteed with either eviction

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Zachsmom...maybe. Maybe not. They certainly didn't make her prove it.

Jimmer

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The reason that we and the houseguests should care about promises and lies, is that in the end the houseguests will vote to determine the winner. They are less likely to vote for someone that they feel betrayed them or played unfairly (from their perspective). So it’s perfectly okay to tell lots of big lies and break promises as it is only a game, but it may not be the best strategy to win the $500,000 in the end.

Zachsmom

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly Wcv..so for people to keep saying the "gave" it to her is false..perhaps in the HGs perception they "gave" it to her..but in fact the HGs gave up..it was a nasty challenge..Amy doesn't seem like she's much of a germaphobe as the others (Gerry,Chiara & Lisa are the only ones who don't seem so concerned about "germs")I wish the HG didn't leave the tub and really put everything into the comp.. You know Dani wouldn't have stayed..she couldn't nominate Roddy then..

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm one of the ones that are saying it was handed to her Zachsmom. :) I firmly believe this and I believe it was done after Amy said she would nominate R and C. Order of exit was even determined at that point. Lisa was JUST as determined to not get out of that tub as Amy.

Battlestar

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Then the ones who got out are just too cowardly to put Roddy and Chiara up for themselves--if Lisa wanted to be the one to nominate & evict Chiara or Roddy--she should have kept her skinny butt down

Danielle and Jason have cut too many deals to be effective in nominations