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Costacat | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:16 am     Bbholden, thanks for putting into words what I was thinking. I didn't want to post anything, because I'm a white 40-something female (and didn't want to be accused of being racist, which is not true). But I suspected that Danielle pulled out the "ghetto" card when she thought it would play well for her. I also suspected that Danielle really prefers to "act white" rather than be proud of her heritage. I also feel that Danielle is much higher educated than she acts (axe/ask, bathroom/bafroom...). Based on my friendships with other mid-49's African-American women and how they act/feel, these were my impressions of Danielle. Back on topic: if Danielle really did give Amy her "word" that she would vote to evict Chiara, then I do think Amy has a right to be upset. But Amy also needs to remember that this is a game, and the biggest liar won the big bucks last year. I'm on the fence on the "giving my word" dilemma -- because it's a game, I might give it and then as facts emerge or plans change, I might change it. But I would certainly not feel good about myself for doing so. (Darned freakin' ethical and moral values! <sigh> <grin>) |
Dixiebelle31 | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:17 am     Wcv63: What you mentioned about the HOH thinking they decide who gets evicted is one of my major pet peeves about BB. Especially last year whenever Hardy and Nicole got HOH and threatened people to vote their way or else. Even made Bunky cry because he felt he had to evict Krista or he would be gone next. The HOH winner gets a power high and turns into a bully. I much much MUCH preferred season one where each HG nominated 2 people and sometimes there were 5 people up for eviction and we, the audience, voted to evict.  |
Crazydog | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:18 am     I also was under the impression Amy didn't promise Roddy and Chiara if the rest of them got out. I thought Dani said something like, I won't tell you what to do but just listen to your heart. She may have intended to put up Roddy and Chiara in her heart but she had just re-entered the game and didn't have the benefit of knowing the dynamic at the time. She also certainly was unaware of the D/J/L alliance. The HoH doesn't automatically have a right to decide which of the two is evicted. But in this case Amy wanted to put Jason up against Chiara, which would have ensured the eviction of Chiara. Jason and Dani were uncomfortable with this. Amy put up Roddy and Dani definitely gave her "word" that they would evict Chiara. Amy did not make a promise. Dani did. If Dani breaks that promise she loses at least two votes in the finals. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:18 am     They was a quick whispered convo in the tub where they asked Amy who she would put up if she won HOH. She said, "R and C". That's when it was decided they exit the tub and in what order. Lisa also added to Amy that they weren't asking for any promises but for her to listen to Marc. |
Floresmama | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:21 am     Maris - I believe it has been stated that there was whispering going on between them and Amy indicated she was planning to nominate C&R which is the reason that they all decided to get out because that was their plan also. Amy was evidently reminded of this last night(so it must be true) by Marc during their discussion. Bladewelder - I agree that Danielle came here to play the game but I don't think she will go back on her alliance with Jason in anyway. If she does I will finally be on the Danielle is the Devil's deciple(sp) bandwagon. |
Ladytex | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:33 am     I was going to stay out of this conversation, but... I am a well educated 30 something black woman who is darn tired of people telling me that I "act white" just because I prefer to associate with "people" not races, I use correct English, and don't fit into their stereotypical mold of what a black person should act like. What is this "acting white" thing? How can you make the assumption that she is not "proud of her heritage" from this show? I am black, am proud of it, but I don't "act black", "act white", "act purple", or any other color or race you want to name. I act like a human being and treat others the way I want to be treated. Anyway, sorry, I guess I'll just go back to lurker mode, or out of this thread ... |
Nermal | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:35 am     I wonder how long before Amy blabs to Roddy and tells him that Lisa didn't vote for Eric to come back? That will reveal that Lisa isn't on Roddy's and Chiara's side. Marcellas never should have told her that. I just hope the voting starts before Amy can try to mess it up this morning. Call Lisa to the DR stat! Then Danielle and Jason. Don't even wake those two in the HOH. |
Krossd | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:41 am     I agree with Jan's take on this...."but let's not forget that Dani, Jason and Lisa let Amy win HOH because she said she WOULD put Roddy and Chiara up. They did not have to get out of that tub and have said they would not have done so if she hadn't agreed to put those two up. so she is as much at fault here in the lying dept as Dani is. " When watching the competition in the tub, you could see the 4 of them (A/L/J/D) talking without looking like they were talking.... I put ear right next to speaker and tho I couldn't make out much of what they were saying it was fairly easy to 'see' by how they were talking, and the body language that they had come to some arrangement/understanding. Everyone (here) agrees that HOH only has the power to nominate, not decide who goes. Basically all HOH really does it protect those NOT nominated. The keys in the box are safe, the others are fair game. Power of the HOH, in a non tie braking turn is OVER once the keys are pulled out of that box. Amy is doing EXACTLY what Roddy, and Chiara did in trying to get others to vote the way they wanted. Amy is just like them only she throws tantrums. What bugs me with this put it all on Dain is -Marc had agreed with Dani to wait to tell her after Roddy whent out the door. He even said Amy had to GO! He loves the Drama I guess. If Amy calls Dani on this, and I was Dani, I'd tell her that it was Marc that told her he's decided Roddy had to go TWICE! and if Marc can vote this way then why shouldn't she think about it too? This is crazy, just put in in the open and vote!!! I bet next season's HG's won't give their word so easily. And note - Roddy started this kind of maneuvering by HOH by going to (most) everyone (not in his 'group') he hadn't planned on putting up anyway, and saying, "I won't nominate you if you give me your word when you are HOH you won't nominate me." Every HOH has been using this ploy or something similar since. Jason was even cornered about his vote when he didn't want to reveal it... forced to lie/fib. Time to step up to the plate. I for one (not the only one for sure) hope that Dani does what NEEDS to be done to play the game, and it is not just Dani, but M, L, and Ja that see he needs to go. This isn't the social club Amy wants to keep hottie Roddy around for. To h*ll with words... Amy see-sawing on who she was putting up is just as bad as anyone else doing this back and forth. And think about it.... 3 people were left in that tub with Amy, ALL of them wanting Roddy out... without Amy telling them who she wanted out (the whispers) do you think miss southern belle would have outlasted ALL three of them. I don't think so! Nope. |
Mslyegirl | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:45 am     Amy is playing this game all on emotions. She is not being objective. Roddy needs to go because he is the strongest player in the house right now. The rest of the players IMHO are equal and after Roddy goes, it is all about alliances. Amy would have a good shot at the $500K. Marc is right, Amy is desperate for 'that man' to stay in order to throw sh*t in KiKi's face. UGH!!! Wake up girl!! |
Pulk | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:50 am     Bbholden, what does "arse" mean? |
Ginger1218 | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:59 am     Ladytex, please do not stay out of conversations. I agree, people associate with people - not race or religion. I don't think Dani is doing anything except what she needs to do at that moment. I think she uses anything at her disposal. She is playing a game. Obviously she is bright enough to know how to play to certain people. Josh tried to play his jewishness card. (I am jewish) - so I think that all the people in there will use whatever they can to get ahead. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:59 am     I truly don't know how race got brought up. I guess it's Dani's "going ghetto" comment that precipitated this line of discussion. I have to say that I don't see Dani saying that as "falling into a stereotype" but rather talking more like the younger teenagers do. She has a teenager and I'd bet that when kids talk to each other these kinds of phrases get thrown around. I'm not african american (although I'm sure I have some african in my lineage as does the majority of the white population IMO) but I don't see Dani as acting as anything but a strong woman with her eye on the prize. I don't see her acting anyway but true to her goals. |
Paulyaceiii | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:00 am     Arse means the part ya sit on... Mslye is absoultely right. Amy plays the game with emotions. Since she's already been kicked out once, she can also play with nothing to lose. I don't think Danielle will back down once confronted with this information, and might give her muscle people (Lisa, Jason) the word... Amy's gotta go. Chiara not only gets revenge from Amy's attempted revenge, she gets someone ELSE to do her dirty work. Of course, that will ensure Chiara misses her court date on September 3rd... |
Poohbear | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:03 am     I really hate to quote Josh but...he said something last week that was right on the money, He said (and I am PP) that if he walked out the door on Thursday that it would show that people in the house were clearly not playing the game. I agree 100%! Come on people--this is a game. The Houseguests should remember that first and foremost in their decisions on voting and nominations. I'm sure it must be very difficult to evict a person who doesn't annoy you over a person that grates on your last nerve.....but .....no one said this was easy. They need to make their decisions based on strategy and game playing. I'm not saying that you have to be slimy and totally immorale.....but please play the game. Somehow you just have to take your emotions out of the equation....if you're not willing to do that....then why are you in there???? The smart decision this week (just like last week) is to evict Roddy. Amy and Marcelles are just not being smart at all. Amy is basing her decision on emotions and really so is Marcellas by pasifying Amy. They are worried about Dani and Roddy. Well, here's a chance to get rid of Roddy ....1 down , 1 to go. If they keep Roddy.....they keep 2 people that they are most afraid of. Why can't they do the math on this??? Pooh |
Wiseolowl | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:10 am     Krossd agree completely and think you've summarized it very well. The only thing is, when you decide to play the game aggresively like Danielle has, you wind up losing votes at the end unless the players are sophisticated enough to appreciate the game playing - am not sure that this is the case with this group. |
Bernie | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:11 am     Arse is Britspeak for your bum, as opposed to USspeak, which is A double S. I always wondered if it was a pronunciation thing... |
Tortie2k | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:14 am     Ladytex, PLEASE stick around. Your outlook is very refreshing and one I can get behind 100%. It's not what you look like...it's how you act and treat people. |
Aunt_Bob | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:16 am     Dang...WCV63...Dang I'm sitting here reading this thread thinking to myself, hmmmm???... "Why does Amy think that HOH gives her the right to determine who is evicted? Sorry, but strongarming people into voting just isn't one of the perks of the position. She is able to nominate 2 people. Who is evicted should be left up to the individual hg to decide. I think it's the height of arrogance to try to determine the outcome by controlling the votes. I also think getting upset and causing a scene because people aren't caving into your demands is immature. I hope D/J/L stand firm on this." I LIE TO YOU NOT...This is what I was thinking...WORD FOR WORD...From "What" to "this." When I read your post, I felt a little weird, because I was pretty sure I hadn't posted yet! The only thing that I thought further was the fact that other than Josh, AMY is the only HG that knows FIRST HAND what it feels like to be "BULLIED" by Roddy only on the basis that 'I (Roddy) DON'T LIKE YOU!' SO YOU'RE GONE! and it's going to be a UNANIMOUS vote for eviction because 'I (Roddy) SAY SO!' I am the JUDGE...I am the JURY...I am the eVICTOR!!! ~~~It didn't feel good to be in that position, but now she thinks she *has the right* to do the SAME thing! BUT...the OH SOOOO SAD thing is, she's trying to KEEP HIM IN. AAAANNNNNNND...on top of all that.....*** He voted to KEEP her BUTT OUT!!!***
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Tortie2k | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:17 am     Brits pronounce "arse" as "ahss" when it's your bottom. But they spell and pronounce "ass" meaning donkey or fool just like Americans do. |
Battlestar | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:19 am     ---Amy was convinced to nominate Roddy and the only way she was convinced was Danielle agreeing to vote out Chiara. Seems to me the strong arm tactics came from our Danielle |
Paulyaceiii | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:22 am     Exactly Bob.. The game is too top-heavy right now. Roddy, then Jason, then Danielle are the top players. If the "middle of the pack" and those "at the bottom" are smart, they should be working together to rid the game of the top players. The choice between "getting rid of the top dog" and "getting rid of who Amy hates" is a no-brainer. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:23 am     Once again, making and breaking a promise is not strongarming. Strongarming involves threats to your position in the game, i.e. If you do not nominate Roddy then you will be put up for nomination and evicted next week. Strongarming never happened. Persuasion and subterfuge maybe, but not strongarming. |
Jimmer | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:23 am     Tell me again how Amy is better off if Roddy is eliminated??? |
Maris | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:25 am     I agree Battle. |
Carigsby | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:26 am     I just want to throw a bit of perspective in here with the "ghetto" comments. Danielle (on several occassions) has used the term "getting ghetto". Those words came from her mouth to describe specific actions. Also, her and Marcellas had a quite lengthy, hysterical conversation one afternoon about people they know goin' ghetto. She has chosen that path and those words - no one on this board just came up with it. |
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