Danielle...and the end of the game....
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Crazydog

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Delilah, I agree. Whatever happened to playing for her and Eric? I don't understand why she had her thong stuck up her butt about taking Eric's place but was so willing to fall in with Dani. Roddy would have been fiercely loyal to Eric and by extension to Eric's girlfriend. I think if Roddy couldn't win himself he would most like to see Lisa win, for Eric. I too would love it if Lisa is playing them all but unfortunately I'm not so sure she has the brainpower to do that. She's a nice girl but she's just not wily or cunning enough, which is why she needed someone like Roddy to join with. Dani is too much of a target now and Lisa should seriously consider jumping ship.

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well Crazydog, when Lisa entered the house she was an individual, not part of a duo. Now with half the duo gone she is back to being an individual. Sorry but I don't think that Lisa playing for herself can be considered a betrayal.

Once again I have to say that the only comparison between Dani and Roddy is that they are both strong players. I dislike the way that Roddy preys on other people's emotions and targets them personally. Every bit of prodding, nudging, suggesting and strategizing has been for the game.

Djgirl5235

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I really don't think that Dani can win the game now, regardless if she makes it to the final two or not - she won't have the votes. I would ultimately like Lisa to win, however, who do I think should win??? Gerry. This man has stayed so far under the radar, and made the deals that he had to to survive, that he ultimately has played this game the best! I don't think that he's the greatest person in the world, but that is the way that he's being portrayed in the house, and mainly that's due to the fact that he is the oldest by far, and doesn't really fit in. JMHO

Jagger

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I could very easily see Lisa jumping ship and voting to keep Roddy, she is on to Danny about having everyone else do her dirty work, it's just she will end up doing Roddys dirty work if she alligns with him. You have to remember Roddy voted to boot her and Danny voted to keep her, who would you trust?

Crazydog

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy voted to boot Lisa because he was loyal to his friend, which is perfectably understandable. It's nothing personal and I think she knows it. Dani did not vote to keep Lisa. She voted to boot Eric. Eric was a bigger threat to her than Lisa. If anything, she knew that Lisa was more easily manipulated, which has proven to be true.

I never said Lisa was betraying Eric, I opined that if she's trying to honor Eric's wishes she would think about it and realize that her best move is to join up with Roddy. Of course she has to play it on her own, Eric is not physically there. But she's not really being an individual if all she does is cling to the Queen's skirt.

I highly disagree that Gerry has played the best game. IMO Gerry is one of the worst players, he has survived solely by the good graces of everyone else. He's not particularly doing anything to remain in the game, all he's doing is making sure he doesn't tick people off more than the next one. It's a decent strategy for lasting in the game, but it's a terrible strategy for winning it.

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazydog I agree with more of your last post than disagree.

How's that for a meeting of minds? :)

Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazy, once again I agree with you. Lisa is not being an individual, she seeks Dani's approval for almost every move she makes. Eric would be disappointed! Last year, Krista semi-alligned with Will because of Boogie, hey it didn't work for her and I do NOT want to open that can of worms right now but if Lisa remains with Dani (who is using her) and ousts Roddy, Eric will not be pleased. She can win against Roddy and he is stronger IMO than Dani and a more upstanding player too IMO. Lisa is not playing on her own, she jumped right into bed with Dani and she is not being loyal to Eric when she said she would campaign against Gerry who should be her target. The only reason Gerry is still there is because he is a number that they think can be played. He is playing a good game and on his own but he does not deserve to win IMO. Roddy would be loyal to Lisa because of Eric, I also think he likes her and respects her more than the Chia albatros. Get rid of her and we will see the new Roddy without the huge weight around his neck.

Minkster1973

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Danielle voted Eric out because of the "Boys vs. Girl" factor. I could be wrong, but I thought she saw this as her chance to weaken Roddy's alliances because she has felt that Roddy was her biggest rival from the beginning.

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wait a minute. I didn't realize that by agreeing with the majority of Crazy's post I was saying that Lisa should play to please Eric. I also don't agree that Lisa should be playing to either avenge Eric or to keep Eric's own alliances alive.

Lisa has not committed to anything other than playing the game at this point. She allowed her relationship with Eric to dull her competitive edge.

I don't think that Roddy would be "loyal" to Lisa because Roddy is only loyal to himself. He has easily shed people who thought they were in his "alliance" because they were no longer useful to him.

Gina8642

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure how Dani is going to win at the end of the game. Most of those voted out will have all the time in the world to check out the internet and read LFPs. She has said some really nasty things about nearly every HG. I'm not sure how she expects to get a majority even if she makes it to final two.

Yes, she treated them all well to their face, but not behind their backs. That won't be hidden once they are out of the house.


Voting for Danielle?

Lori - maybe
Tanya - Not
Josh - probably not
Amy - maybe
Marc - probably not
Chiara - maybe
Roddy - probably not
Eric - probably not
Lisa - maybe (unless of course she is sitting next to Dani)
Gerry - maybe (depends on how much time he has to read up on LFPs)

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Cameltoes

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lisa made the wise choice. Staying loyal to the couples and aligning with Roddy would make her more of a target. Who is going after Lisa now? Not Danielle or Jason. Not Roddy/Chiara. Not Amy or Marcellas. Maybe Gerry, but I doubt that too. She's not perceived as a threat and yet is protected by a powerful person in the house.

Eden

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can see Roddy voting for Danielle to win. A tip of the hat to the one HG who REALLY outplayed him. And you know how much he thinks of his abilities. She was the only one immune to his mental machinations. She was always friendly but he could never get her under his thumb.

Hard to say who might win, so much depends on who wins HOH when the numbers dwindle. It could be that the other players think they have a better chance of winning up against Danielle if Gina's final vote predictions are correct.

Danielle has always said that she is there to play for her family and not make friends. If she does make it all the way to the end she will be the only one that has played the ENTIRE game. Anyone sitting beside her wouldn't have gotten there without her.

Mrs_Taz

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle still has a long way to go to get to the final. They are all playing to win the money and no one is just going to roll over and give it to Danielle because she "needs" it. Marc will not forget it was Danielle who made him get out of the tree and how much more money he could of had by now. Jerry will not forget that she was ok with his washing things in the kitchen sink and then complained to someone else. Lisa will realize how quick Danielle was to tell her Chiara voted against her. Jason also said that he knows at some point he will have to do something he might not like to do. There are still 7 more to go before she gets there!

Pesto

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kearie, great post.

Wayyyyyy to early to call anyone a winner. I think the UTR folks still have a good shot at it (Jason, Lisa, Gerry), but what a joy it is seeing Dani play this game hard... If Roddy gets booted, I fully expect him to vote for Danielle if she is there at the end, AND vice versa, because they both clearly respect each others ability.

I also think there is no moral equivalence between dani playing the "poor" card and half the things that other HGs have done (e.g., Chi belittling half the country, Mars constantly badmouthing G, Roddy playing on Chi/Jo emotions apparently for ego and not game purposes).

Meggieprice

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kearie- you spoke for me too.

I think that it's interesting that Dani bashers think it would be awful if Dani doesn't keep her word with Amy but Amy threw her drunken arms around Dani the other night and SWORE to get Rod out next if she honors it and then cackled in the hot tub with Marc that she would get Dani out next instead. And that's OK?

Also, people keep referring to Dani saying "I would never do that" to Amy and that phrase is ALL we heard on the live feeds- none of us heard WHAT she would never do but many have assumed she meant vote Roddy out. She may have meant veto Chiara, or any number of other scenarios.

Hope this made sense-bedridden on pain relief!(And spending hours reading all your words and listening to the hamsters...)

Kathyb

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Once again, I think a woman is being held to a much higher standard than a man. The anti-Dani people do not like her duplicity. I would love to know how you could win this game by being totally honest. Jason's come the closest, but even he has had to lie. Marcellas is prepared to kick Amy to the curb when the time comes. I do think Dani's fatal mistake was in not realizing that the evictees would see her DRs. She's trying to be entertaining in there for the tv audience, but if she gets to the final 2, it may cost her the big prize.

Gina8642

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't have a problem with the lying. Nor, with the duplicity. I'm just sick of Dani at the moment. I don't like anyone who appears to be controling the game.

Early on, it appeared to be Roddy controlling the game. So, I didn't like Roddy.

Now, it appears that Dani is controlling the game. So now, I don't like Dani.

Always rooting for the underdog here.

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The one think I'm fairly sure Dani is going to do, is try never, ever to win HOH. She is going to get the others to do her dirty work. If she puts anyone up, all the resentment will fall on her. She won't risk that unless she absolutly must.

This week she got Amy to do what she wanted. Next week - Jason or Lisa.

Crazydog

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I respectfully disagree Kathy. I find it interesting that whenever a female player gets criticized that female posters rush to defend her and say that people who don't like her are being sexist.

My dislike of Dani has nothing to do with her duplicity. I agree that you have to lie to win the game. What I dislike about Dani is her utter smugness and cockiness. I cannot stand her "4 down 6 to go" comments and I am betting the evictees will see those and be turned off. I agree with you that she doesn't seem to realize that. And yet she always has nice things to say in the eviction tapes, probably because she is trying to influence them at the end. I see no way for her to win a final vote.

Wendo

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
First, Dani has made it clear to everyone that what she says in the DR is within the constructs of the game. That whatever they say in there she would NEVER hold against them. Dani isn't stupid, she knows these people are going to see the DR entries. They ARE talking to a recording camera.

As far as Lisa, imo, she is better off with Dani and Ja than she is with Rod. There is NO WAY Roddy would take Lisa to the final two, he just couldn't win against her. He knows it. He would take Gerry. So, she'd be out sooner than with Dani.

With Dani, Lisa's got a shot to the final three, then a shot at being the last HOH to pick who to go to the end with. I thinks she stands a much better chance of getting to the end with Dani than she does with Roddy.

Maris

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My two cents: My feelings about Dani have nothing to do with her being a woman. I cant stand her sanctimonious attitude and her throwing religion out there as though she has some god given right to lie and cheat but nobody else does. How is it that her need to bring home the bacon is a valid enough excuse to lie and go back on her word but anyone else who does it is the devil.

The problem with expecting Dani to hold a higher standard is that she is the one who walks around that house like she is morally superior to all the other liars in that house. She isn't. I dont like her tactics or her approach to the game. For example when she sat with Marcellas that morning before he went running to Amy. She was telling him that she wanted it to be just the two of them and then when they got to the end they could both laugh and say "Its ghetto" . What the hell is that crap.

She is a liar just like the rest of them, she has no better right to that money than anyone else and to say someone else has the devil in them is just plain evil. It isnt the words it is the sentiment and how she says it. I just hope she falls flat on her face and when she loses whoever wins turns to her and says she lost because she was filled with the devil and she is just NAAAAAAAASTY.

I think board posters are much tougher on the women than the men in that house. They call Chiara a •••• and think that her behavior is way way worse than Gerry's filthy habits that put everyone at a health risk. Chiara's behavior only hurts herself.

Lisa doesnt have a brain in her head because she keeps her toughts to herself and quietly plays the game. Nobody is saying that she is strategically using Dani they say oh Lisa is being used. There are tons of threads addressing the psychological problems of the women and good wishes for them getting the help they need.

The men on the board seem to be given a lot more passes than the women in my opinion.

Llkoolaid

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dani will get a lot more votes than some people think if she makes it to the final 2. More often than not they usually vote for the person who played the game the hardest unless they have a major gripe with the person.

If Dani is in the final 3 with Jason I can see her throwing hoh. She wouldn't have to pick the person to stay with her, Jason would choose her and whoever the other person is would choose her because they would be afraid to go against Jason.

I think Dani still has a good shot at winning this game.

Minkster1973

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris.....BRAVO....well said.....you go girl.....and anything else you'd like to add to my intro......

I totally agree with Maris....Lisa's best chance is to get to the finals with Roddy because EVERYONE is wanting Roddy out....but he has the ability to dodge bullets every week (I hope this week as well). If I were in that house....I'd take Roddy to the end. No, no, it isn't because I would want a night alone with him in that house.....it's because he's stepped on a few toes down the way and I think that most of the women in the jury will vote for a woman to win it all. It's obvious that they think it's time for a woman to win BB for once.

Niceguy

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 05:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So Dani believes that everyone should feel like her and the DR comments shouldn't offend. She's so full of herself. I want her out soooooo bad.

Minkster1973

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 01:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Niceguy......I'm thinking that we may have our wish about Danielle leaving by next week. I am so excited about this one!!! Go Roddy!