Sherbabe | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:24 pm     I'm beginning to wonder. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it happen, but, I think this is a tough game for a woman to win. Once out, I don't see Tonya, Chiara, Amy, or even Dani voting, ie, Lisa, if she was in the final two with any of the remaining guys. What do you professionals think? |
Mizinvancouver | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:27 pm     You know what?!! I was just asking myself the same question earlier!!! I'm beginning to wonder if it will ever happen!lol I think 3 might be the lucky one. Danielle has good odds as far as getting votes from other female houseguests. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:27 pm     Not a professional but I play one on the board. I've seen the double standards in action even here on the board. I don't think a woman could win at this game because for some reason when a women plays as hard and as cut throat as a man she isn't seen as clever and strategic but as a b*tch. Mirrors of big business. The glass ceiling still exists. |
Bkmac | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:30 pm     I hear ya. I know women have won in other countries so anything is possible- but we do seem to be our own worse enemies at times. We let our hearts rule when our heads should be in charge (see Lisa and Chiarra all but surrendering to the lovebug), we get bitchy and petty over silly stuff and let that cloud the big game picture (see Amy with her rivalry with Chiarra) and we let our real emotions and feelings show too easily (see Chiarra crying all over camera) There is hope though- Dani's got enough testosterone to pull it off and if she wins it's almost like a woman won! ;) |
Yellek | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:30 pm     I agree Wcv. It's so irritating that women are described as b*tchy if they do the same things as a man to get ahead. That said, there's one surefire way for a woman to win this game. Dani & Lisa need to go all the way to the end together. (Or Amy, but I'm not sure I see her enduring to the very end.) |
Mr_Bozack | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:30 pm     I think you need to explain your point of view more thoroughly. Why do you strongly doubt that a woman can win Big Brother? |
Jaysgal | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:34 pm     I think that it is very much possible. The misfortune here is, they have brought dumb women so far or women sooo filled with ego that is not backed up. Hey, two women came second and third place in BB2. ;) |
Kiari | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:34 pm     Yes |
Goddessatlaw | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:35 pm     The problem is the casting of the women - as long as they keep on their current trend, no - women aren't going to win. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:41 pm     What's seen as ego in a woman is defined as confidence in a man. What's seen as aggressive in a man is seen as ruthlessness in a woman. What's seen as ambition in a man is seen as greedy backstabbing in a woman. Women are more harshly judged not only by men but also by women. Just like a mother who works full time with children. She is made to feel guilty for not staying home with her kids. She is made to feel guilty for not devoting 100% to her job. I've seen it said here on the board (by other women) that the "mothers" that left their kids don't deserve a letter or to hear from home because they knew what they were getting into when they signed onto the game. True...what makes any of them more deserving though? Really? A father (only one in BB) or a mother shouldn't be even be considered because they knew what they were getting into? I've seen it, I've lived it and I've suffered the consequences. It ain't pretty and there are no answers. |
Keiffer | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:41 pm     I was thinking all day that Danny was a shoe in to win this game. Then she started Roddy gate and now it seems to me she is causeing trouble for herself in the final two if she makes it to that. Since she has taken it upon herself to make all the moves for her and Jason she is the one exposed, and he is not. Heck he did mislead Eric and Roddy, but still escaped getting any stink on him. Danny really has noone to blame if she looses because she was the one that the first month went on and on about her word being so good, and you could take it to the bank.. now she is breaking it. I think this question was asked during Survivor two but a woman won... then a man won, then a woman won again. As for Danny being called bitchy because of her actions I would say that is true. But then Roddy hasn't lied and is being called names, Josh was called names, Gerry has been called names. Seems to me that whenever a person seems to be gaining some power be them male or female they get the name calling thing. |
Goddessatlaw | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:49 pm     I'm much more interested in watching how Lisa works this game at this point - I kind of figured Dani was getting ahead of herself a couple of days ago. This new development doesn't surprise me that much (unhappy with it, but not surprised). The only two players in this game who have shown any recognition of the value of keeping one's mouth shut - and acting on it - have been Jason and Lisa. Lisa has been showing more and more potential as a player. I'm going to pin my hopes on her for awhile and see how it shakes out. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:51 pm     Goddessatlaw I'm with you. Dani confounded me today with her tactics especially since she knew (or suspected) that he had made a deal with Roddy. What in the world was she thinking? I'd like to see her figure out some way to get over this obstacle but she may have stepped in it big tme. |
Bkmac | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:52 pm     Goddess- Lisa is impressing me too. Maybe I shouldn't be so quick to hand the crown to Dani! |
Poser | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:05 pm     The women don't seem to be able to keep their mouths shut. Dani had everything set up and then she opened her big mouth. The petty jealousy between the women seems to work against them as well. Even when Josh and Roddy had an argument, they didn't "go ghetto." I think it has to do with the level of emotion. The women seem to be far more emotional than the men, and thus, have less control over strategy. <flame suit on> |
Eden | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:11 pm     I think Bkmac jokingly alluded to the very problem a woman with the guts to dare to play the game to win has to face; comments like " Dani's got enough testosterone.... it's almost like a woman won". A powerful woman's very femininity is questioned. Sure, you're joking but I'm not laughing. |
Goddessatlaw | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:11 pm     Poser - my first week on the boards, about the third week of the show, I started a thread on just that subject, with basically your same conclusion - the women they chose for this game weren't chosen for their gamesmanship and were too emotional to win. No flames here. |
Snee | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:14 pm     didn't josh go a little nuts? and marce? regardless, i think one of the women here can win. i think dani has overplayed and jason and lisa are sneaking up quietly. i wouldn't be surprised to see those two in the finals. |
Goddessatlaw | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:15 pm     With you on that, Snee. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:17 pm     Poser: "The women don't seem to be able to keep their mouths shut." Are you saying that Josh, Roddy, Marc and Gerry are women? You're right. None of those 4 have kept their mouths shut. Funny thing is I could have sworn they were men. |
Labpuppy | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:18 pm     I've been wondering about this same question for some time. I believe that the problem is not because of any gender differences, but instead is caused by the producers. I think they choose women players who are sexually attractive for the men, and sexually titillating for the viewers. This adds a sexual element to the game, which in the producers' minds increases viewership. Look how the players were chosen this year; apparantly virtually all of them had some link to hollywood. I believe that if players were chosen randomly in some fashion that women would play the game better. |
Niceguy | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:19 pm     We've only have two previous winners. They were male. I think this is a little overboard as far as why women can't win at this game. The game isn't over yet. Dani's style of play seems to be malfunctioning right now. I think for good reason. She over-extended her phony empathy. In her job she probably gets away with this all the time but here she's living and sleeping in close quarters with her opponents. Who's to say a woman won't win this game? It just doesn't seem to be Dani at the moment. |
Bkmac | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:20 pm     Oh I don't know Eden- I think Dani whose femininity has been commented on (and yes- I was joking) HAS been seen as a serious contender. I don't think her "power" has worked against her at all in this game. |
Jimmer | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:22 pm     Also Dani talks way to much in the DR. You see hardly any DR conversations with Jason, Roddy or Lisa and that's for a good reason. Those egotistical DR comments will come back to haunt her if she does get to the end. |
Poser | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:28 pm     First: Marc isn't like the hetero guys. He has a hissy fit any time he can find a way to justify one. He even imagines stuff that isn't true so he can have hurt feelings. He's worse than the women. Second: Lisa is good, but she turns into a blubbery bowl of tears with only minor motivation. She hasn't had much opportunity recently, but as the show progresses, she will. I think about 70% of Josh's tears were phoney, for effect. Amy is a bawling mess. It's my thesis that what drives eviction, is conflict or the appearance of strength. What avoids eviction is lack of conflict and lack of appearance of strength. When people fight, it is unpleasant for the others in the house; result, eviction. When people become identified with a group, they become targets. Dani will become a target if she can't keep her mouth shut, either because she "goes ghetto" once too often, or gets percieved as powerful. Jason seems to be the best at being invisible. Lisa is second. Gerry has moved ahead of Roddy into third. Marc and Amy need a better alliance. They are too controvercial. Enough stream of consciousness. |