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Sybilbb3oracle

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In defense of Marc, his rants about Gerry are satiric or sarcastic, IN PRIVATE WITH ONLY HIS CLOSEST FRIEND AMY; Not to Gerry's face with humiliation like Josh did to Gerry. Marcellas had demonstrated many times his compassion and concern for Gerry by gently and carefuuly warning him of the other hg dislike of his lack of cleanliness and constant intrusions. Marc always did this privately with Gerry in order to HELP Gerry and also not embarrass him. Gerry has been thankful to Marc for his advice. Gerry is overbearing most of the time and that is what Marc is satirising to give himself some relief. Marc would never do that in a public forum like Dani and Lori did. Marc takes the high road except in private when he needs to relieve his stress. Don't judge someone by their talk to themselves and close friends while joking around; always evaluate their public actions to determine their value. Marc's values are very high and responsible and concerned for other's feelings.

Strkaholic

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Uhmmm...no comment.

Cajunrambler

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What about his constant griping of Gerry to Danielle?

Come on folks, the way you guys talk around here, you expect Gerry to lock himself up in a closet and not talk or be around anybody. He is in this game and part of it is being sociable with the others.

The only other reason the houseguest hate him so much is that he went against the wishes of the now defunct 6 pack, which to me is a lame excuse.

Everybody is backstabbing each other in there and yet they remain friendly to each other, why not with Gerry.

Justshirley

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellas takes the high road?? Except, so not.

In private?? Cameras 24/7 is about as "public actions" as you can get.

As such, I've carefully evaluated Marcellas' public actions and have determined that he is petty and catty and about as shallow and hypocritical as they come.

There is no defense for Marcellas.

What555456

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nice try, Sybil. But there is no way to justify what Marcellus has said and done, unless you justify total and complete hypocrisy.

It is one thing to lie as strategy to win the game. It is quite another to totally hate someone personally and then to smile in front of them as if everything is a rose garden.

In my 51 years on this earth, I have met too many people like Marcellus and I simply find them to be totally despicable human beings. When I was younger I may have thought like you -- thinking people cannot be as bad as they seem. But there are too many good people in the world for me to not see the difference between all of them and the few who are like Marcellus.

Sybilbb3oracle

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason still bears a grudge against Gerry for causing the eviction of Lori (Jason's surrogate mother) and Jason's personal loss of many thousands of dollars. If Gerry had not vetoed Marc, then Lori would have remained a decoy; and Jason and Lori would still be racking up an xtra $1500 per week. Vengeance is Mine Saith . . . Jason.

Flyonthwall

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Our character is what we do when we think no one is looking."
-H. Jackson Brown, Jr.

"A person shows his/her character by what they laugh at."
-Anon

I think these two quotes pretty well sum up the Mar and Amy show.

Draheid

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Flyonthwall I thought you were going to rest this weekend ... heh heh ... couldn't stay away could ya! :O

Strkaholic

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OK..just one comment...Amen Fly!

Chance

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sybil,
I think I understand your points, I just don't agree (just my Opinion)
It is a combination of the frequency and intensity of the attacks that are so awful.I've been a big Gerry supporter but this doesn't mean I dont see Gerrys faults or see him as a saint.
He can be rather poumpas(sp?) and comes off a bit too parental. I also understand how the "mentor/protegee" stuff in ref to M would be irritating to M.
What I will never understand, however, is the relentless hypocricy of most of the other HGs towards G. G talks about anything and its a "so-what" as said by Chiara. R can go on forever and its just fine.
M says Gerrys always plotting and dealing (with who????? no one really talks to him except in the most trivial/limited terms except to cut a weekly deal so that he won't use veto power if won by him.)
M and others still claim G doesn't bathe, wash clothes with soap etc etc yet NONE of them is awake when he does these things between 7-9 each morning.G loses a bunch od weight but M says hes a pig for sometimes getting second helpings.
G is roasted unmercilessly for washing undergarments in kitchen sink (as told to house by D) Yet G ASKED D if it was ok and she said yes, no problem then ripped him to shreds behind his back.
Obviously I could go on and on. The behavior of the pack (HGs) is scary, its so mean. I just feel its inexcusable.
Thanks for letting me unload !!!!!

Wiseolowl

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ya right - just he and Amy - no - he does it with the othere too; Oh forgot the 50 thousand net feeders, including Gerry's family, friends and students the tens of thousands of board readers and the 20 million or so of the rest of the public who've gotten snippets and probably more than snippets after Jerry's nomination this week or when BB decides to do a Marcellus montage.

Wendo

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sybilbb3oracle, nice try. Just won't work for me, unfortunately. Pretty clear on the kind of person Marcellas is.

Fly, excellent quotes, and they say it all.

Chance

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi again Sybil,
Thanks for clueing me in to why Jason doesn't like G. I could never figure it out as G had never done anything to J and I just couldn't understand where J was coming from. I don't agree with J holding that grudge about a game play all this time but at least I have a clue where his anger came from.

Hillbilly

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
..sybil..i's understands some of what yu's saying...sometimes a person's jest got to get stuff offn their chest or they'll explode..most of us has a close confidant that we's can talk to...

..but's on the other hand...he's got to know that's there's cameras all round and that this gerry fellers family might be seein this..plus some of the stuffs that he's said has been purty extreme...

i's jest thinks marci is talkin ta the wrong person...he needs to say this ta gerry in private...maybe's they'll see eye to eye and maybe's they won't but at least he'll have said his spill and maybe's he cans move on...

i's has to agree with what someone else sorta said..i's think marci is unhappy..maybe's got some hurt inside that ain't healed...and bein in the house with nothin to do is makin it more intense....

i's thinks he's probably a purty good feller overall..jest has some issues that he ain't dealt with....

Flyonthwall

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Draheid, ya know me...I tried to sit on my hands but I just can't sometimes.
I'm bored laying around with my head spinning! LOL

What is driving me nuts is how Mar and Amy rag on everyone all the time.
They get way to out of contol.
Not only that but the way they are talking, those accents....I just can't take it!
Fly buzzes out ziggin and zaggin while screaming "Help me"!

Dulci

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sometimes I wonder if Marcellas' vitriol may stem from the fact that he may resent Gerry's 'saving' him with the Veto that first nomination. Some people hate to be beholding to others. And I admit, Gerry's speech when he used that Veto made me cringe a little, well ok a lot...

[By way of disclaimer, I have found something to love about all the houseguests, they have entertained me greatly and that is all I ask of them.] [FILELOCK - trying again]

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chance and Sybil...that has NOTHING, I repeat, absolutely nothing to do with Jason nominating Gerry. Gerry is seen as a threat by Jason because Gerry is the only one in the house who has campaigned for Jason to be evicted because Gerry sees his "goodness" as a threat in the game.

Gerry subtly campaigned against Jason citing his "Eric eviction lie" as proof that Jason is untrustworthy and attempted to engineer Jason's nomination on more than one occassion.

Jason caught wind of these plots and thinks of Gerry as a threat to him in the game.

There is no dislike. There is no revenge. Has nothing to do with the veto or Lori.

Sybil: As far as Marc being in a defensible position I have to say that I vehemently disagree. Saying that you hope someone has a stroke, talking about strangling them, wanted them to suffocate and die is vile and there is no defense.

Strkaholic

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fly..go see hillbilly for some moonshine...youre head will still spin, but you'll feel oh so much better!!!!

Somelight

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have found people who gossip or "throw stones" have glass houses.

I cringe when Amy & Mar gossip about Tonya and Gerry. I would like to see them out because what houseguest would vote for them in the final vote.

Draheid

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
IMHO Marcellas doesn't have issues, he has lifetime subscriptions! <self-moderated>

Jaxrock

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How can I point out another's faults, b**** and moan about them 24/7 and then engage in the same behavior I dislike in them? No excuse for him, and if I was his mother, I'd be ashamed that I raised such an intolerant person. (It's hard for me to understand how M could be so intolerant because he's faced intolerance due to his race and sexual preference.)
Unfortunately with people like M, even seeing himself on tape after he's off the show probably won't change him...it'll be the fault of the "editing".

Hillbilly

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
...draheid..that is one of the funniest things i's heard...mind if i borry it to use sometime?!!!...:)

Costacat

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sybil, I disagree with you. Whether or not his comments were to "his friend," he was rude and disrespectful of Gerry. Just because he talks about him behind his back, does that make it any better? I don't think so. I think Marcellas has a serious problem (seriously, I think he needs professional help) and I think he's a petty and mean man. Marcellas used to be one of my favorite HGs but he has steadily declined in my opinion. He *did* have one talk with Gerry, but it was only on a single issue. He needs to get it all out, and not be two-faced about it.

Just because he is nasty to "just his friend" does not make his nastiness acceptable.

Jax, I agree. I am sure Marcellas encountered intolerance as he grew up, and even now. Most of the gay men I know (and yes, this is a generalization!) are very aware of intolerance, and try to practice what they preach.

Hillbilly

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
...<hillbilly blows kiss to costacat..>

Bailey

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sybil, I'm just sitting here in awe of the fact that somebody is actually defending a man's wish for his housemate to die or have a stroke. You really honestly and truly think that's okay? I mean even if it was a private convo (which doesn't exist within this show) .. I think it is reprehensible behavior and he should be ashamed of himself.