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Saggkl

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am sorry but couldn't Jason have made a deal with Gerry? That way he could put up Roddy. I don't think he really wanted to put up Roddy. He was hurt that Roddy didn't trust him anymore. That is what the long conversation was about. He might have voted Roddy out if someone else had put him up. But I never really believed that Jason would do it. Gerrys comment was a excuse for Jason. As I said Jason could have at least tried to work out a deal. He didn't even try.

Hawaiiandew

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think ultimately Dani is mad at herself for not going through with the plan to evict Roddy last week. She can't be mad at Jason for not nominating Roddy, because if she would have kept with the original gameplan Roddy would have been gone this week anyway. Dani is just worn out--but I haven't given up on her yet. I think the girl has a few more miles left in her. I think if she wins America's Choice this week and gets a video from home it will revigorate her.

As far as the claims of using the "pity" card. I don't see it. I think she is focused, had a goal and is trying to reach it. She keeps vocalising her need to reach her own personal goal just to reinforce it to herself. Like when I wanted to lose 10lbs. I said to everyone I knew, "I am going to lose 10lbs." At that point, I was forced to reach for my goal because so many people knew about it. I don't think Dani is pronouncing her goals to get others sympathy. I think she is making a legitimate claim of why she is there playing this game.

I like Dani and I hope she can reign in her emotions and get back her strategy.

Maris

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All Danielle has to do is to get Lisa to make a deal with Roddy to go to the final two. She makes the same deal with Roddy to go to the final two. Then they tell Jason. Jason said if he found out anything between now and the veto that shows Roddy cant be trusted that he would put Roddy up. Dani will work something.

Jaysgal

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's not gonna happen, Maris. Danielle already owes Roddy one, so Roddy has no reason to make another deal.

Secondly, Roddy did make the you and I promise to some people, but, for most, it was the final four or three promise, not the final two.

Thirdly, his different promises to people does not make it a lie. It is simply a lawyerly trick, just as Jason played the trick of not referencing explicitly what his intentions were. Roddy by promising different people does not make him bad. For if one person is evicted by others, then the other is still around for him to take to the final round, so long as he was not behind the plan to evict the other person.

Again, I honestly do think that Roddy has some kind of affection for Jason. He has more affection for Jason than he ever did for Chiara. It's just that his affection does not negate his evil nature and he could hurt Jason.

However, I do not think that it is time for Roddy to go. He will go, but not now.

As far as Danielle relaxing. Well, I think she's giving up on trying to control everyone and put a stiff foot down. However, she's trying another strategy now: Stay close to Roddy, compliment him and follow people around to hear conversations or stop Roddy from being able to converse privately.

The problem is, Roddy is smarter than that. He knows her smiles and compliments are not real. He'll still find a way to take care of her. He may do it by using Amy or Marcellas as HOH to get rid of her.

Maris

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lets wait and see. She just told Jason she wants to talk to him later. Dani is not giving up. She will get something on Roddy before Monday.

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
jaysgal
1)simply ignore jasons conversations with amy about nominating amy and gerry (before talking to danni)

2)ignores jasons conversations with gerry about nominating amy (before talking to danni)

3)then ignores jasons convesations with roddy about nominating amy . (before talking to danni)

4)then ignores danny saying to jason repeatedly she would like to see roddy nominated.

Then when danni is given no options really says hey it was dannis idea to nominate gerry and amy.

Now who else has logic and rationalizations like that? I will give you a hint. His name starts with a r and ends with a y.

Mellbell416

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I kind of think that as we get closer to the grand prize, that people's 'morals' are going to go by the wayside. Everyone is getting looped up with all of their promises, to the point where they can't maneouver anymore. When they realize that acting 'morally' only loses them the game, people's actions may change. Coming close to winning is still LOSING! Dani should have just dumped Roddy last week despite the terrible 'label' of backing down on her word.

When Dani gets closer to the fence, I predict dirtier play. Bring it on! I can't keep track of all these deals anymore anyhow!

Mellbell416

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Theo - back off Jay a bit!

**sparring with boxing gloves***)

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
why should danni not nominate roddy. roddy has made it clear he is going after her. so should danni just wait around to be kicked out and say thank you oh master roddy? dani should say screw it and nominate him because she has heard he has a deal with almost everyone in the house at one point or another.
roddy had a deal with eric, josh, jason, marcy, kiki, gerry and danielle. Does he have a deal with the producers and julie also? This deal crap is ridiculous at somepoint. How many people can you possibly have a deal with. So does that mean if roddy wins hoh and makes 3 more deals that he automatically gets to the final 2? How anyone falls for his rationalizations is beyond me.

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sorry melbel she keeps blaming danni for jaysons decision all over these boards and it is not accurate. no offense intended but dont blame danni for a decision jason made that danni didnt want

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Jay you're busting me up!! What Roddy is doing is pure out lying about creating final sceanarios with all of them. If they all knew that would revolt in a second. We all know it's a lie. You know it's a lie. This was an issue he pissed about in regard to Josh. It's a problem only when it is someone else doing this crap. When it's him ya just spin and twist it a little and all of a sudden there is this door way for him to walk through. Not in this viewers opinion. And by his anger at Josh not in his mind as well. I could take this guy on even if I were about to get booted and it wouldn't be pretty because I'd have that house booting him so fast after I was gone. If that didn't work before the final vote I would easily be able to humiliate him and even if he were in the finals with Amy he would lose. His game has been cruel.

Mellbell416

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmmm I really had a calming effect here! Sorry I butted in - I guess I am not a diplomat extraordinaire... (**hiding boxing gloves under bed**)

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
c1mag you are exactly right and thats what kent did to hardy last year. He was going no matter what so he exposed hardy for all the double dealing he and nicole were doing.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Theo17

1) ignores the fact that the reason Roddy is still in the house is because Dani flip flopped and changed the vote at the last minute missing a golden opportunity that would leave them all unscathed

2) ignores the fact that Jason is HOH and as an equal member of the alliance is allowed to think and act without following Dani's orders

3) ignores the fact that Dani made her "deal" with Roddy without discussing it with Jason first. He had no input and no prior knowledge

4) ignores the fact that the Dani's deal would have resulted in the exact same nomination that Jason made

5) ignores the fact that Jason is an equal member of an alliance and not a puppet destined to do Dani's bidding

Theo...IMO, you're letting your desire to get Roddy out cloud your judgement.

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv

Forgets that Jason shouted from the mountain tops that, "Roddy must go"

Forgets the fact that dani did indeed inform Jason of the fact that she couldn't nominate Roddy. He knew this or he wouldn't have conveniently brought it up moments before nomination . He knew she was relying on him to do the deal that he said he would as a trustworthy alliance memeber.

Forgets that he flip flopped on getting Roddy out this last thursday as well. He went back and forth on it several times which added more stress to her crazy behavior.

Forgets the fact that the night before nominations he told her that he would make sure that he nominated the person SHE fealt most threatned by.


Wc imo you are letting your clouded thougts on Jason mislead you into believing the kid isn't just as sleazy as the next player and decided to leave his buddy very vulnerable this next week. Not a smart move if you want her vote in the end. He is very vulnerable for some humiliation at the end of the game if he makes it there. He just didn't prove to be a worthy alliance member. Don't think Roddy won't use this against him in the future. Yes the kid is a creep for what he pulled and a full on in your face LIAR!

Cameltoes

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I go back on forth about whether Jason's nominations constitute a betrayal. I certainly understand why it would be taken that way. He said to Danielle that he wanted to nominate who she felt was her biggest threat. He did indeed go back on that. It's totally a part of the game. I just think that trusting Roddy will come back to bite him in the butt.

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
wcv what does that have anything to do with jaysgal always insisting these nominations were dannis idea,
I never said this wasnt jasysons idea it was. i do want roddy out no doubt about it. all I pointed out is jays gal repeatedly saying this was dannis idea not jaysons is wrong.
By the way I never ignored last weeks flip flop. I said all along it was stupid stupid stupid.
as far as jayson thinking for himself he has a right to but then he should have just told danni that from the start instead of saying week after week if he gets hoh he will nominate roddy.
I never said jayson was a puppet of danni. in fact I said the excat opposite that danni hated this nomination

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My whole point is that although I get what he did I sure wouldn't pat him on the back for it. Yes he has a right to play as he see's fit but don't tell someone you will do one thing and then not do it. It sucks! Tell them the truth and don't use keeping a sudden promise as the reason. Thats insulting. Tell Dani you want Gerry gone for your own sake and that if you would have put Roddy up then he might have fealt obligated to boot him. Now thats being honest. Dani got played out by the christian kid which is actually sorta funny!

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
cameltoes last week amy saved roddy and this week roddy pushed for her to be nominated. If the same thing happens to jayson next week he deserves it for stabbing danni in the heart after they have worked together for the whole game.

Cameltoes

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Double post. Please Delete.

Cricket

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cameltoes, I like your idea of Lisa and Danielle ousting Amy. Gerry wouldn't put up Danielle unless he absolutely had to. Surely Lisa could work her charms on Roddy (I think he has a crush on her) and convince him to vote Amy out. That will calm down Marcellus too. He is even worse when Amy is in the house.

Ooohh, and wouldn't this be awesome. Next week Danielle gets HOH and puts up Gerry and Marcellus and out goes Marcellus! Unfortunately, that would still leave Roddy in the house, though.

Cameltoes

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well Theo, I've already said I expect Jason to be gone in two weeks. I certainly anticipate Roddy pushing for a Jason nomination depending on who is HOH.

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
what would be hilarious is if dani wins hoh next week and after meeting with roddy says per roddys instructions I'm nominating amy and jayson

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Theo now that would be hiliarious. However, for as much as a witch some make her out to be she wouldn't do it. She'd just go tell Jason what Roddy said to her.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 03:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag

Forgets there are no mountain tops in the BB house

Forgets that although Jason was informed of the "deal" he wasn't consulted prior to Dani making that "deal"

Forgets that all of Jason's flip flopping on getting Roddy out last Thursday were a result of Dani's constantly changing the direction of the voting. He voted exactly as Dani wanted him to.

Forgets the fact that Jason should nominate the person that HE feels most threatened by as he is the one who has become a visible player in the alliance.

Forgets the fact that Dani had the same opportunity to win HOH to accomplish her goals.

He didn't lie. He isn't sleazy. He is none of the crass and horrible things he is being called for nominating in his own best interest.

Jason would have been in a far more vulnerable position next week than Dani because he won HOH and that is surefire way to make enemies. Also he can not compete in the HOH competition which means he doesn't even have an opportunity to protect himself by winning HOH.