Why is Amy so unhappy after she got her way?
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Meggieprice

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dani WANTED to break her word, and almost did...but couldn't in the end.

Azriel. I respectfully disagree with you-Marc can wait...Dani knows Roddy must go, and so does Jason.

Wcv63

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit she didn't "use" either Jason or Lisa. Jason's vote was changed at the outset granted. Dani talked to Lisa, told her how she was going to vote, gave Lisa the opportunity to talk to Dani about that vote. She also talked to Jason prior to going in to vote and if he had a problem with Dani giving her vote to Chiara he could have told her that.

Wendo

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit4you said, "Wendo you have a good point there - something I haven't thought of. So Dani was using her "I Want Rod out" to work another agenda she had.. all part of the game Thanks for clearing that up for me."

I don't think it was Dani's agenda THIS WEEK, I do think the original goal was Roddy. But, it is something she has talked extensively about in her DR entries (as well as considered). Her lack of trust in Chi; that she had her number. Dani felt that Chi would never have her back, so, in turn, never felt the need to REALLY have Chi's back.

Onlyhuman

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit, I want to thank you for your vehement defense of Amy. Knowing that you don't like her makes me value it even more! Jaysgal, I REALLY like your posts!

I think there has been a great debate about promises kept, broken, the making of promises, what exactly is a promise, etc. What it seems to come down to is semantics. If Danielle said "X" and not "Y" then she really did/didn't promise or lie so it's not an issue is a common refrain.

In a court of law, those might be substantial defenses or accusations. However, this is a game with people. It's not just about the actual words, it's about the intent. When HGs make decisions, it's not by reviewing the transcripts or watching the tapes. It's by remembering what was said or not said at important moments.

Amy was ready to nominate Chiara & Jason, because she felt NO ONE would evict Jason. She felt this was especially true since right after she won HOH, everyone told her how HORRIBLE Chiara had been as HOH. Her impression was that everyone seemed to want Chiara out of the house. Roddy even gave her that impression when they had their long discussion that first night.

Danielle convinced Amy to nominate Roddy by promising that she had the 3 votes necessary to evict Chiara. Danielle might not have said "I promise to vote out Chiara" but Amy cannot be blamed for thinking that Danielle would support her cause. It's why she agreed to nominate Roddy. Amy put her FAITH in Danielle and Danielle knew that.

Knowing that she had Amy's trust, Danielle had to make a decision to lose Amy's trust and vote out Roddy or risk having Roddy around for another week. Danielle decided that the risk was worth it. She banked on being able to change Amy's mind, or on being able to blame someone else. It didn't work and she was confronted by Amy on this issue. At that point, Danielle could have said...I know what I said, but this is in my best interests so I'll have to deal with the consequences. She chose instead to reveal her alliance with Jason by telling him to change his vote in front of Amy. What that told Amy is that Danielle not only was part of the decision, she controlled it!

Ultimately, people have to go with who they trust or, as in the case of the final 2, who has caused them the least personal heartache. For that reason, all the justification through semantics is irrelevant. It's all about feelings...which is the one thing people should have learned from Will last year!

Wendo

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit, the girls promised each other (before Li and Er were on the block) that they would always have each ones back. Then, Chi broke that. It was during the first couple of weeks.

Misslibra

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ditto Tracy!! :) That is the point I have been trying to make. Just because you criticize the way a person is playing the game does not make you a basher or trasher.

Wendo

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit4you said, "Nothing would justify her USING her buds for her agenda as she has though..not under these particular circumstances."

What Wcv63 said. They were not used by Dani in this instance.

Meggieprice

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit- when it comes to using allies and others noone holds a candle to Roddy. Watching him on the feeds and on tv -the way he uses his facial charming looks on Amy and Marc, the way he insinuates untruths about others to people...there are times it makes my skin crawl. I feel that Dani is conflicted about the things she does and that is why she stumbles and blows it! Rodd is smooth

Whit4you

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wvc in response to your post to me which may be mute seeing my other response I don't know but.. your right I am all for people all the things most the people in this game and the other BB's have done as far as 'it's a game for 500 g's!!! Do what it takes to win"

BUT - what Dani did to Jason and perhaps to Lisa just doesn't fall within my personal set of ethics. IF it does to her then it does - if I had young kids at home... I might be able to live with myself doing what she just did. Doesn't mean I'd expect OTHERS to feel it was ok - just as I don't now...understand? I think it was 'wrong' even within the extent of this game but it doesn't mean even *I* under certain circumstances would not do it. Only thing making me not think she's the lowest form of life right now IS that she has young ones... and I know I'd woulda done just about anything within some seroius moral boundries in a GAME show for 500 g's to better my childs future when my child was young... BUT that does not mean I think it is RIGHT... but see if Jason had young kids that'd totally change this...at least for me lol.

Azriel

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggie, Dani has been knowing that Roddy has to go but it seems Roddy is still there. Dani has sniffed out someone that doesn't think she should win the game! She must exterminate him. Marc is going down. She will take care of Roddy later.

Whit4you

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dunno HOW anyone can say that she did not USE Jason totally? LOL.

Jason wanted Roddy out - Dani wanted to keep HER word to Amy but NOT vote for Chaira so she got Jason to do her dirty work for her, got HIM to vote out Chaira for HER at his own detriment. This after promising him from day one that they were a team . Had SHE been willing to take the fall WITH him that'd be totally different. Think about the position this puts JASON in - so Dani can keep HER word and go farther in the game - Jason is left in the house with the guy he voted out...and the guy SHE voted to keep in. I couldn't possibly even explain all the ramifications of this but bottom line is she used her strongest ally in this game and someone who has never betrayed her and so on - for HER agenda at HIS detriment and that I don't agree with...not under these very limited circumstances even WITHIN a game show.

Jason wants Roddy out but he's been fighting a losing battle with even his OWN closest ally forcing Roddy to stay. Jason put his trust in the wrong person I think.

Wcv63

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But Whit as I said before, she spoke with Jason prior to making her vote and AFTER Jason made his so if he had a problem with it he could talk to her. She didn't unilaterally take it upon herself. She gave both Jason and Lisa the option of asking her to vote with the block. They both agreed that Dani voting against Roddy would be acceptable and would leave the house wondering where that vote came from.

Meggieprice

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Az-I'll be surprised if that happens- but hey if so- it would be the third week in a row that it seemed obvious to me that Rod has to go and somehow it does not happen! If Dani really does convince Jas to go after Marc then I think she will be acting from weakness and not strength- Roddy, also, does not think she should win, and is much stronger and more skilled at strategy. Her weakness would be acting in anger because Marc turned on her. It would prove to be her undoing if she lets this chance go. Roddy will get HOH andf out Dani will go.

Wendo

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit, but don't forget, Chi had already asked Jason to vote against her, both Ja and Dani knew that. Jason voting for Chi leaving doesn't hurt him in the end game with Chi; since she DID ask for him to vote her out. And, in the house, he's ok too, because he voted Chi out, which is what Amy wanted. Actually, he's in a lot better position than Dani.

Meggieprice

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo-ya think? He's HOH! I'd say thats not just a better position but the best!

Interesting that they put alcohol in his HOH fridge.

Tracy

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit, Jason is a grown man and an intelligent one IMO and if he's willing to follow Dani's advice FOR NOW and he doesn't feel betrayed by or angry at Dani, why should you?

Azriel

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 09:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Onlyhuman, exactly the word I was looking for - semantics. Perhaps Dani carefully chose her words, but the meaning she conveyed with them was clearly that she would vote the way Amy wanted.

You can say that she technically didn't lie to Amy, but Amy still feels lied to and I think rightly so.

Dani had Chiara's back right until she watched her walk out the door...problem is that she didn't protect Chiara's back.

Wcv63

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 09:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How can Amy feel lied to when she doesn't know who cast the one dissenting vote?

Needmylifeback

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 09:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think she wanted it to be unanimous just like it was for her.....at least I think she was expecting it to be that...

Wcv63

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 09:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She said Jason and Lisa never approached her about strategy and she never went to them. She wanted 3 votes...she got 4.

Azriel

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She was expecting it because she thought that that is what everyone agreed to. If I was her I'd believe that it was Dani that cast that vote.

Oregonfire

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One dissenting vote. A pebble in Amy's shoe for sure.

Wcv63

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 09:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She never asked for Jason's vote.

Dee723

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 09:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ya know, Chiara totally messed up when she voted against Lisa two weeks ago. That was pretty much the beginning of her downfall. If she wouldn't have let Roddy persuade her to go against her word she'd probably still be there tonight.

Paulyaceiii

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 09:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As much as I like Amy...she served her purpose, and she is now expendable again.

Llkoolaid

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 09:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why does anyone care if she lies or Roddy is smooth or Jason is a puppet, they are all playing a game and giving us the best BB ever. I don't have anything against the way any of them are playing the game, that is what they are supposed to do.
The only one I don't think is playing to win is Amy but maybe I am missing something. I also had a problem with Roddy not in the way he plays the game, I think that is fantastic but I had a problem when he was playing with Chiara's heart.
Anyway the more they lie, scheme and manipulate the more I love it. This is what it is about and if they don't play it hard then they shouldn't be there. JMHO

Groucho

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 10:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said, Onlyhuman. I agree 100%.