Question about FOTH
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Shan

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why lately has it gone to FOTH on all four feeds because one person starts singing or talking about something they shouldn't? A little bit ago Dani started singing in bathroom and all cameras went to foth, even ones in kitchen showing Amy making dinner. Is there an explanation for this other than CBS sucks?

Oh here we go FOTH again!

Floresmama

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When we go to FOTH it is always on all four feeds unless the are just making a camera switch. But if it comes with music it is always on all the feeds.

Shan

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I have another question. I have heard people comment on the fact that Arnold Shapiro does not like the feeds being available on the internet and would like to have the show on television only. Isn't it the internet that makes this show what it is? This show wouldn't have nearly the following it has if it wouldn't be for the internet. I was just wondering what he has said or done to imply this other than showing foth all the time to preserve footage for the show?

Ryanc2002

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He has said so in interviews, that if it were up to him there would be no feeds because he thinks it takes away from the television side of Big Brother.

Thorntara

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The explanation is that the HGs have been told not to sing, so they do either to prevent airing of scenes or just to annoy the producers.

Since the court ruling on Internet music royalties, it seems CBS is just too cheap to log, and pay for the royalties.

Plus, there are no consequences for HGs. It goes to FOTH, and they are reminded not to sing, and when it goes back, they are singing again. I think there should be consequences...sing and lose a luxury (alcohol), second time, sing and lose a luxury (dryer, microwave, etc.) and third time, penalty nomination! Imagine the wrench that would throw into the works! Dani, Amy, Marcellas, even Gerry are singing their little hearts out!

Zachsmom

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they should let them sing..and have them pay the royalties out of their stip!

Stingerman

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
IMHO I think if Arnold gets rid of the feeds then the show will die out very fast. I know I wouldn't watch it anymore.

My question is was last years BB this bad for FOTH? I didn't have the feeds last year because I didn't like the cast they had.

Shan

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That is my opinion exactly Stingerman, the internet is what makes this show what it is. The fact that they are in this house and being watched 24/7. This is the first year that I have had the feeds, but I have enjoyed reading the discussion boards and live feed posts each year. This show would quickly go downhill if it was not for the internet. Does Arnold Shapiro not realize that or not care?

Ryanc2002

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He both realizes that and cares, that's why we have the feeds. They're a necessary evil for his show in his mind.

Ryanc2002

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
His dislike for the feeds is why we get charged. He doesn't want them, but he has to have them for the show to survive. He charges us because in his mind the cash from the live feeds is the only benefit he gets out of them.

Thorntara

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zachsmom, it's not a lot of $$ for CBS. Just too cheap to pay it.

Stingerman, not, not so much FOTH last year--recent (like last month) court ruling on music over the internet royalties. I'm not even sure it is the money, but the labor in logging what the hgs sing, and when, and then matching it up with audience numbers. Still, just to darned cheap at our expense!

Plus, the hgs are playing it. IF they want camera privacy, they just have to start singing. THAT is the thing that has to stop! It defies the game.

Stingerman

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Thorntara for the info. I know they are playing it now, especially after finding out 100% for sure from Amy.

Oh well not much we can do about it other than cancel our feeds.

Texastillie

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Last year the 4 feeds were almost all of different areas of the house and when something was happening on one that we weren't supposed to see, we got FOTH only on that one feed.

This year, since all 4 feeds are almost always of the same thing (2 close, 2 far), if we get FOTH it would have to be all 4 feeds because they all show the same thing.

It is a total rip-off!

Ryanc2002

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Let me make a prediction. Almost everyone who is complaining about the feeds and FOTH and threatening to sue will buy the feeds again next year, and we'll be listening to this same crap all over again.

Draheid

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Awww, come on, Ryanc2002 it's ok for Chiara to whine but we can't? THAT NOT FAIR!!! Waaaaaa LOL :O

Ryanc2002

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Because we b!tch about Chiara' whining, so us doing it would be hypocritical, that's why. ;)

Shan

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I honestly don't think that I will get the feeds next year. The only reason I got them this year is because previous years I only had webtv, and since I had a computer this year I was determined to get them, but I don't feel that it is worth it. I did contimplate cancelling them, but I decided to keep them for the remainder of this season, but I will not get them next year. It is just as easy to read the message boards to find out what has been going on.

Crossfire

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Are the feeds for the BB show in other countries like ours? Do they charge a fee, and also, are they censored and FOTH'd like they are in the US?

Texastillie

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Granted, we got the feeds before and huffed and puffed about FOTH because we were having to PAY for them last year - still got them again. But they are sooooooo much worse now! (Thus, sooooooo much more whining - lol.)

Whit4you

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sigh you know I so understand peoples frustration but it really worries me... I mean - they make more on ONE 30 sec ad on the live show nights then they do from all us net viwers combined.. I worry that they will get bugged / harrassed enough to decide the net profit from us net viewers aint worth the hassles and then cut us off completely.. IF they do that BB will be totally worthless to me and it's my main reason for being here...even during the off season.

Folks - I seriously DO understand the frustration even more so then then last year cause when the banners made it so the HG's could not even TALK without their personal stuff flying across the sky - I started liking FOTH - cause that meant some net vewier couldnt <> with the game.

Just try if possible when you see the FOTH - to you know think about it in a grander scheme of things... think about what you paid for the fun of watching this show this year as opposed to say one or two nights going to the movie theature.. you've gotten that much out of it already with still more to come you know? Think about the people feeding their children nothing but grass as they watch them die in Afganastan and the worst part of OUR day is ...FOTH?? Think about using the FOTH time to do something you have nagging you in the back of your head... think about checking out UD.COM and joining those of us doing our part to help find cure for cancer....
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Draheid

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
EDIT: NEVERMIND Trying to access. Seems you have to have a RealOne SuperPass Europe subscription to get access. It offers a 14 day free trial, but I'm not THAT interested. Here's the information anyway:


Crossfire: Check this link out: Big Brother UK Diary Room Video.
I believe the UK version has ended. It looks like RealOne Superpass is available there too. I wish ASP would give us video frome the DR too. That'd bee awsome!

Crossfire

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Neat, they get DR footage. I suppose viewers are treated better on other programs then.

Whit4you

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cross well the OZ BB feeds were free.. hard to complain then eh? LOL

Crossfire

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm....Wondering if I should not become a fan of one of the other shows then...free feeds would be nice. I'll have to keep an eye out and see if anything catches my eye. As a Canadian, it would make no difference to me if I watched an American show, or the OZ version.

Draheid

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crossfire: I signed up for the German BB a while back ... I think I just had to 'register' for the feeds (ie. no charge)... couldn't make out a darned thing since it's been 20 years since I lived in Germany! LOL ... needless to say, I didn't watch much of it... :)

Whit4you

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well someone correct me if I'm wrong but the OZ bb didn't have any 'FOTH" type of thing I mean I remember watching the guys um showering..inside and out and so on...lol

Texastillie

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit, I too would be very upset to lose the live feeds. But that does not make me feel better about getting ripped-off by buying FOUR feeds and getting ONE or by having all feeds on FOTH because someone in the backyard is singing softly. They could surely show other feeds instead of FOTH. It is hard not to complain about not getting what you paid for.

Also, I disagree about CBS does not make much off of the feeds. $10 a month (for 3 months) off the thousands of people who purchase the feeds just for BB is still a bucketful of money. Heck, I'm sure the AC more than pays the HG's stipends each week.

Bottom line - I don't think you or I have anything to worry about CBS giving up any of its cash cows.

Goddess146

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Message from Arnold Shapiro regarding the internet viewers (if you have not already seen it):

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Goddess146

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A friend emailed ASP regarding the fact that CBS ads for the live feeds being fraud. Here is the response from ASP:
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Thanks for writing. Since we (the production company) in no way
profit from the live feeds or control the advertising for the live
feeds, I have forwarded your e-mail to the appropriate parties at
CBS. Take care and thanks again for writing.

Big Brother 3

Texastillie

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess - That is too funny! I'm quite sure that CBS is collecting the money. Of course, CBS is paying the production company.

Lyn

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 10:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, the transcripts from the live feeds are what got me hooked to BB3. I'd never seen the show before (and didn't really want to) but a friend directed me to this site and said read this before you decide. Now I'm passing this site on to friends and getting them hooked on BB3 too. CBS and Arnold Shapiro would be fools to stop the live internet feeds.