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Twiggyish

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 07:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's the point Minny. He's concerned about his friends and family meeting her.
It sounds like his image is more important. If he's embarrassed by her, he should end it right there.

Let her find someone who won't be ashamed to introduce her to his parents or friends. It's not the family or the friends who make the relationship work. For a relationship to last, you have to accept your mate, warts and all. (although you can make suggestions for improvement) The family learns to accept or they're out of the picture. (That's my lesson for the day)

Personally, I don't like some of her behavior, but, I find Roddy's superior attitude more disgusting right now.

Minnyace01

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 07:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Twig - I don't disagree with you, but if it was outside the house and she was like this with their friends, it wouldn't be a problem because it would not be in a public recorded setting. But this is a totally different situation. Should they become a couple outside the house (and that is a big if) she is going to be looked at differently than she should be. She is a great girl and Roddy can see that in her. He just wants to make the transition as smoothly as possible with her should it reach that stage. What I think really tips his hand is after all was said and done, he was the one who came back to her. He wants to be with her and try to smooth the rough edges.

Earthmother

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy is the residue pond scum leaves behind!!

If he felt the need to be brutally honest with her and left it at that fine, he should have done it long ago. She seemed to handle his break-up (for lack of a better word) pretty well. Ten minutes later he is kissing her and climbs right back in bed with her, what the hell is that? Is he leaving the door open a crack so he can get her vote at the end? She is emotionally challenged and he is taking advantange of her. I don't care for her but she is a human being and this rat has stepped over the line of gamesmanship.

Azriel

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Roddy cares any more about Chiara than he does for anyone else in the house. He is flattered that she is so crazy about him and he doesn't want to hurt her feelings but there is just nothing any deeper than that that I can see.

I think he hooked up with Chiara at first because he was physically attracted to her. He thought it was going to be some light hearted show for the cameras and he was surprised and not happy at all when Chiara got all moony and started naming their kids.

In his mind, he was put in an awful position. He went on a blind date from hell and he can't just say 'I'll call you, babe' and never see her again. He is locked in a freaking house with her so the date never ends!

He has made it painfully clear that he does not want to be with her outside the house. He KNOWS she would not fit in with his family and friends. He KNOWS that she would embarrass him. I think the only reason he looks forward to getting out of the house is so that he can get away from this relationship with her.

There is someone out there that would love Chiara for who she is but it sure as hell isn't Roddy.

Twiggyish

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Absolutely Az. I wonder if he has a similar history with women. Love them and leave them, when they don't "behave" or "act accordingly".

Battlestar

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
why should anyone stay with a partner (were they a couple) if they are not what they want??? If this had been the outside world they would have had a few dates and both would have realized they were not each other's type--and the relationship would have been over before it started.

Chiara decided that Roddy was her perfect man, set her claws on lock

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've said that I wanted Roddy to be honest with her and just tell her if he wasn't interested in pursuing a relationship. It seems to me though that instead of just coming right out and saying that they are not right for each other that he is making every effort to belittle her. Now, I'm not a Chiara fan. As a matter of fact I find her to be quite an annoying and crass little snob. BUT, for anyone to treat another human being with such total disregard is atrocious.

He has played with her emotions, has twisted events, and has tried to control with a very passive agressive stance.

Roddy strikes me as the kind of guy that would try to commit a wife to get her out of the way after he had conceived an elaborate plan to convince the world she was insane. Devious and manipulative are okay in the context of the game but when it comes to personal relationships and life..it's just WRONG!!!

Dare2dream1261

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Chiara does seem to be a bit on the immature side and so have some baggage. But, why does it seem Roddy feels it is his place to point out to people their shortcomings. He thought it was his place to set Amy straight on what kind of person he thought she was and what he thought her faults were, now Chiara. Chiara is the same immature, tackless person she was when they got involved with each other. Roddy should keep his advice to himself unless it is asked for. Like my mother always said "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones!"

Sassylady

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He likes "fixing" women and she likes to be "fixed" = perfect couple...lol

I just find it hard to see women emotional abused. Sorry Roddy lovers but he is messing with this woman's head. He is hoping she has a meltdown (Of course to do it in front of others would be to obvious, as he did with Josh). He saw that wasn't working so he pulled back a bit..just in case he does stay in the house, he needs her vote in the final two.

Oregonfire

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
W, isn't there a movie with that plot? Gaslight or something?

Draco

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Roddy is "emotionally abusing" Chiara...just don't see it! Although he is definitely giving her mixed signals I think he was finally trying to be honest when he spoke to her last night trying to express some of the things that have been bothering him. I'm not a Roddy or Chiara fan. I think that the bottom line is that they are only a couple because they were thrown into this strange BB environment and are complete opposites. They would never be together otherwise. Now they can't "break up" because they are playing the game and need eachother strategically....

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes there is Oregonfire and I couldn't think of it so I just outlined the plot. LOL

I just looked up the plot to Gaslight and I believe you are absolutely right.

Sassylady

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
WCV: I just read your post. Very well said!
:::BRAVO::::

Oregonfire

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think I need to rent that movie but I always rent movies and don't watch them! Ingrid Bergman is a draw.

Well, I knew if I threw enough factoids against the wall around here, one would eventually stick!

Battlestar

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wc---Chiara would never had gotten to wife statis

But Roddy needs to learn some conflict resolution tactics---instead of 'Your behavior embarasses me', he should be saying "I FEEL emabarassed sometimes with your behavior"

Sunrise

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy embarrassed me! the problem with today's society is that woman have help-group this and help-group that. but, us poor men have nothing like that. the advancement of woman (all women) has come further than mostly anything else in the last century with the help of birth control and many other things. but, what about us men? you know we are falling behind, when parents in Japan want baby girls over baby boys; more girls going to school; and, more woman making decisions bigger and bigger decisions.

hey, i know the pays still aren't equal and a lot of places still live in the old-old times. but, it will change like the rest of the world. the women have been brought out of their darkness and ignorance. who's to help us?

think about it. perfect example: you go to an abortion clinic and they council the woman while the men sit outside on the couch. hey, we have feelings and stuff, too. no body is just taking the time to help us unravel our masculinity complex.

roddy embarrassed me. chiara is desperately trying to learn about herself. her way right now is sexuality, and roddy, like the good old boy we wishes he was, took full advantage of it.

if he really liked her, he would of talked to her about what he didn't like at the beginning or not played the cards he did.

it's a game, i know. play or be played. but, everything has a line and he crossed the line of humanity with his manipulation.

Battlestar

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
---why is it Roddy's job suddenly to be the mirror of Chiara's self-esteem???

Minnyace01

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK ladies, I feel like being abused today, so here goes. What does Roddy have to do to please you? He is in a no-win situation. If he wanted to just let the relationship die, he could have did that, but that's not what he wanted. He wants to see her in a dating situation on the outside, so he did what just about any male would do in that situation - he confronted her about her actions that he did not care for in an attempt to resolve the problem. It may be that he is in the house, but he is a lot more patient with her than I would be with any girl that I dated. Maybe she doesn't realize how it bugs the hell out of guys to have their so-called girlfried talk about all of the guys that she's been with and what shes done with each,even when she's been treated lousy. So he told her about it. He had the opportunity to end it right there, but didn't. Sure, they're opposities, but a lot of couples end up together that would be classified as such. Right now, there is no strategy that would make a difference in whether they broke it off or not. I still think that they have a better chance to make it on the outside than Eric and Lisa, because they care very strongly for each other and will have worked through some of their problems in the house.

Zachsmom

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Battlestar..since when is Roddy responsible for Chiara emotional stability? I have met guys in the past who I thought were quite wonderful..it wasn't until spending a great amount of time with them and then seeing how they handled certain situations that I then found certain behaviors unbecoming..what Roddy said last night isnt' anything that he hasn't tried hinting to her (to spare her feelings)..He finally lays it straight out and now he's getting creamed for it? He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't..

Moedog

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"the problem with today's society is that woman have help-group this and help-group that. but, us poor men have nothing like that."

THE PROBLEM? EXCUUUUUUSSE ME! You "poor men" have had and still retain control over this planet. "what about us men?" Never fear, the pResident has your backs. Women around the world will remain under the male thumb if he has anything to say about it (and he does!).
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The state of women around the world is appalling. Just yesterday in Nigeria the sentence of a woman being stoned to death for having a child out of wedlock was upheld in court. Is anything happening to the man who impregnated her? Take your best guess. In some places (like the US) we've forced changes and stood up for our rights, fighting tooth and nail for every advancement. We've just scratched the surface, though. Sorry to go off on you like this; I just get really fired up about this issue. No need for you to feel embarrassed by Roddy's behavior, but he should be.

Want to see some great points and serious male bashing? Read Michael Moore's book Stupid White Men. He doesn't think too highly of how his gender has ruled this world.

Sunrise

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Moedog, i'm a male so i stated it in my way. sorry if i wasn't harsh enough for you.

i do agree with every single word you are saying. the state of the world is appalling.

and, i love Michale Moore with the exception of his wanting to centralize govt by taking state's rights away.

and would like to say that i gave up my maleness for the sake of humanity.

all i can say to you is GO MoeDog GO!

Micknrc

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Right on, Moedog!

Moedog

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL! {{{{{{{{SUNRISE}}}}}}}} Thanks for understanding my rant. : )

Minnyace01

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Being a male, men have got it pretty good. There are instances of where things have went to far to try to make things right (athletics - Title 9 and divorce custody rulings); but, for the most part, men have nothing to complain about.

Battlestar

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
--the state of women around the world has nothing to do with Roddy telling Chiara that if finds some of her behavior to be embarassing.