Archive through August 28, 2002
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Archive through August 28, 2002
Woebegone | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 05:08 am     Can you imagine the tapes they'd play in court if Lisa decided to pursue this sexual harassment thing against Gerry and CBS in court? Do you think any jury in their right mind would be willing to award her a single cent? After some of the things she's said and done in the house? |
Laffy | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 05:15 am     hottie, if i "borrowed" your car every day and you never told told me you didn't want me to do it, then reported to the police that i "stole" it,i might be a bit confused. i might have thought that it was okay since you never said anything to me about it. sexual harrassment is a terrible thing. let's not trivialize it by applying it to a game where everything is on camera 24/7. if the producers saw anything even close to sexual harrassment they would stop it immediately. after last year they aren't gonna put up with any nonsense. THIS IS JUST A TV SHOW FOLKS, NOT REAL LIFE!!! this thread is getting silly. |
Efilon | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 05:18 am     Hober: You're right, I also remember at that time Lisa told Dani that something happened when she was young and maybe that was coloring her perception. I think that whatever happened to her is being projected on Gerry. Pretty much, all he did was try to talk with her while she was on the excercise machine. She then called him a pedophile when she was talking to Dani. That really made me feel ill. She may still feel like a little girl but she's not, she's a grown woman. It's time for her to deal with her problems. Been there done it. Counseling can be a very good thing. I'm not saying her feelings about the air guitar incident are not justified but I think her perceptions might be a little off. For her to accuse him of this behind his back to everyone and not just go to the diary room and let them know how she feels or just say to Gerry that he is making her uncomfortable is a problem on her part. I'm sure if she had said something to him he would have been appalled that she thought that of him and apologized profusely! He also would have been super careful not to do anything that would be offensive to her again. You're right Laffy, this is really silly. |
Jazzcat | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 05:25 am     wow! i had to go do some work for awhile. ( i am actually at my job) laffy, your right this thread did get pretty out of hand. glad i was gone so i couldnt add any more of my 2cents worth! |
Laffy | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 05:51 am     she just said again "he has a daughter my age" so it IS an age issue, but i still say she wouldn't have the same problem if gerry looked like mel gibson. lisa is guilty of age discrimination! |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:05 am     I have not read this entire thread so excuse any repetition. A common way to bond is having a shared enemy. It creates a powerful connection and intimacy. With little else to draw from, it is easy for them to connect in this way. They have very little to stimulate them beyond strategizing. As the end nears there is more desperation to stay and bond with those who remain. Gerry is an easy target. He is from a different generation, stands alone AND is on the block this week. It is pack mentality similar to dogs going after the weakest or omega in the group. When out, I bet some will be horrified at how 'into' it they got with this attacking and gossiping. |
Saba | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 06:07 am     Ok, I have finished the posts and must sleep but...I agree with Hotty (well said) I love Hosewaters name, God Bless America, Oh Canada I stand on guard for Thee, Lisa does have issues, Lisa not telling Gerry does not negate her feelings, and I still believe Anita. goodnite |
Bigsister | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:10 am     Whew!! I just finished reading this entire thread, and after reading the posts of Fruitbat, Efilon, and Laffy, I am happy to see that sanity seems to have finally returned to the TV Clubhouse. It seems that those who are so eager to claim sexual harrassment overlook one significant thing: Gerry is not Lisa's boss or in a superior position to her. She would have nothing to fear from him if she told him his actions made her uncomfortable or reported him to the diary room. For that reason, I think she would have an obligation to do so if she was really sincere about making it stop. Seems to me she is mostly interested in having something to gossip about. Fruitbat is right on the mark; Gerry is the shared enemy. |
Jimmer | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:20 am     Bigsister, I couldn’t agree more. These discussions are frequently volatile due to the emotional nature of the issue. Using workplace sexual harassment criteria in this situation simply does not apply. The BB house is not a workplace (certainly not like any workplace I’ve ever experienced). Verbal sexual harassment is very dependent on an assessment of innuendo and circumstances. What one person may perceive as verbal sexual harassment in a given situation, may not be perceived as such in a different situation with different people. A clear unequivocal way of determining sexual harassment is if the person who perceives the harassment advises the other person that they are uncomfortable and the harassment continues. This has not occurred in the BB house so we are left we a series of perceptions on the part of the houseguests and us. |
Bigfan | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:21 am     Okay, I'm reading this thread and I'm thinking to myself.........It's okay for Lisa not to like Gerry's actions toward her, she might not like the color green or turnips either. If it doesn't bother her for Roddy or Josh or anyone else of her age group to make these statements it might mean she likes men her own age, she might like guys with green eyes or dimples too. The fact that Gerry is old enough to be her Dad might be a problem for her, that's okay, it's her choice. Well...... I would hope that if I had a daughter Lisa's age and someone old enough to be her Dad was saying things that made her uncomfortable, I would want her to put a voice to those feelings. |
Bb3friend | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:25 am     I haven't seen any of this on the live feeds but maybe Gerry's mistake is trying to fit in with a bunch of 20 somethings and going about it the wrong way. Don't forget he is old enough to be their father and he is stuck in a difficult situation. Instead of playing paternally he is trying to be a peer and he doesn't realize it's not working for him. I feel sorry for the guy, he really seems to be out of touch. I wish all the house guests would lighten up on him, someday they too will be over 50 and fat! |
Costacat | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:29 am     Sexual harrassment is sexual harrassment, period. It doesn't have to be a boss or a fellow employee. It can be a neighbor, a store clerk, anyone. And, by definition, harrassment is some action or statement that makes one feel uncomfortable. Personally, I think there are two issues here. Gerry is apparently making Lisa uncomfortable. And to be honest, he'd probably make me uncomfortable, too. So Lisa really should take him aside and explain that it makes her uncomfortable. Unfortunately, I don't see Lisa as being overtly assertive and I doubt she would discuss this with Gerry. Gerry, on the other hand, needs to realize that it can be VERY uncomfortable to have someone watching/staring. Lisa wearing a thong is NOT an invitation to stare. Lisa may simply prefer to wear a thong. That's her perogative. She is not asking for attention. (Equate this to a woman who wears a short skirt, and then gets raped. Thank gawd times have changed and it's no longer acceptable to use the "she was asking for it by wearing a short skirt" defense.) So... Lisa needs to tell Gerry that it bothers her. (They are her feelings and should not be negated.) Gerry needs to stop with the invasion of personal space -- be it by watching, staring, looking over shower doors, whatever! |
Csnog | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:41 am     I blame BB for what is happening. For 3 years now the "older" person in the house is harrassed. Maybe Lisa, Marcie and Dannie could ask BB for blinders for Gerry to wear and when he is allowed to remove them he could be banished to the storage room for a breath of fresh air. This is NOT just their house. Lisa didn't wake up from her fog until Eric left and again the reason she is still in the running is because Gerry had the guts to vote Eric out instead of her. |
Jimmer | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:44 am     Yes … Lisa needs to tell him that it makes her uncomfortable. She has a variety of options. She can tell him directly, she can ask one of the other houseguests to talk to him about it or she can ask in the DR that they talk to him about it. She is not helpless. |
Andysmojo | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:45 am     Lisa just wants the other houseguests to feel sorry for her and hopefully avoid not getting nominated in the next round. If she was truly uncomfortable about Gerry she would never had worn that thong. When a woman wears a thong in public, that is a statement saying "Look at my ass". It is wrong to compare her situation to that of a women who gets raped and it is wrong what she is saying about Gerry. He is the one who could charge harrassment here. |
Azriel | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:52 am     Whit, I agree with you. I saw Lisa telling them about Gerry's song and laughed then because you could see that Lisa thought he made the song up for her and it's a real freaking song. He was probably just singing a song off the top of his head and he happened to look at her when he was looking around at his 'audience'. This is getting so freaking out of hand, people. I read this thread and I'm just amazed, disgusted and in total disbelief. Someone listed as examples of Gerry's depravity that he had been married twice and visited a nude beach. OMG! Well, I've been married twice so I guess I'm half way to depravity. People have implied that because Lisa is uncomfortable we should listen to her gut instincts. Umm..NO! I'll listen to my gut instinct that says Lisa has 'issues' and prejudices and is caught up in an ugly gang mentality. Gerry is the victim in this house AND on this board and it is just ugly beyond words to witness the character assassination of a good man. |
Terry | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 07:55 am     Azriel, wow,could not have said it better myself. wtg!! |
Azriel | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:06 am     Lisa wearing a thong is not an invitation to stare!?!?!?!?! Not asking for attention?!?! I think I must live in some alternate universe that coexists with yours, then. |
Minnyace01 | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:10 am     Ditto, what Terry just said! |
Costacat | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:10 am     Maybe it's because I live in southern California. Thongs are very popular here -- both on the beach and under clothing. No one I know thinks that wearing a thong is an invitation to stare. Period. In fact, staring (in any way, shape, or form) is just plain rude. In my opinion. |
Crossfire | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:11 am     If Lisa is uncomfortable when she is 98% naked, then perhaps she should put some clothes on. You say Lisa wearing a thong is not an invitation to stare, I disagree. It is a choice, and with choice comes responsibility. If her choice causes Gerry to stare, she is responsible for it. There are even beaches that do not allow thong bikinis. They are not considered to be decent attire by some people Having said that, I'll flip the coin, if Gerry's staring causes him to get booted out, so be it, his choice, he is responsible for it. As for invasion of personal space...BB is ALL about invasion of personal space. I don't believe when you parade around nearly naked, you have the right to expect people to not look, you can pretty much count on it. For all we know, Gerry is not even staring at her because of the bikini, Marcellus has the same complaints, every time he looks up Gerry is staring at him. Maybe Gerry is just a dipshit gawker and does not even realize it. I asked an ex girlfriend, why don't you wear thongs..."Because I don't want people staring at me." That makes sense to me. |
Costacat | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:12 am     Oh, and I used to hang out at our local "swimsuit optional" beach. I do not consider myself depraved. |
Boberry | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:13 am     Azriel, I'm with you on that. These people are all adults. They are in a place they cannot escape and there are 7 of them left. How many places are there for you to look if you can't have any books, magazines, etc.? Also, sometimes I find that I have been staring at someone because I am in a daze, thinking about something else, not even realizing I'm staring at someone. The majority of the hgs need to grow up. I have a 20-year old daughter and none of them are much more mature than she is, including those in their 30s. Lisa works as a bartender, but she can't tell a man when something he is doing makes her uncomfortable? I don't buy that one bit. From day one I thought that woman was strong and would have no problem taking care of herself. If she has a problem, she needs to take care of it. If she doesn't choose to take care of it, she needs to shut up. |
Saggkl | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:14 am     Well another of my favorites down the tubes. I give up on these people. |
Jimmer | Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 08:16 am     One thing that bothers me is the ongoing often-repeated reference to how Gerry is older and therefore shouldn’t look at or discuss certain issues with the other houseguests. This is age discrimination at its worst. |
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