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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Archives One: What does it mean when marcellus calls gerry a "TROLL"?: Archive through August 22, 2002

Gidget

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
crazydog-
i think the phrase trolling refers to fishing. you throw some bait overboard and then a net to catch whatever comes after the bait. in other words indiscriminate hunt. of course it may refer to this gay troll business what555456 mentioned. always something new to learn. sheesh.

Gina8642

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Realfan has the most accurate answer so far....

Espen

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, maybe most accurate, but I believe mine was far more detailed..*grin*.. Seriously though, Realfan did say it a lot more concisely..

Squaredsc

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
espen, the trolls in lord of the rings, they were in the mountains but were short. so were these mountain trolls? sorry but i love fantasy like trolls, ogres, elves, hobbits, unicorns, witches, wizards, etc.

Zachsmom

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought a troll was someone who visits messageboards and baits & flames other posters..:)

Alaginger

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whatever it means........I'm sure Marcellas means it in the most offensive manner possible!

Twiggyish

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It takes one to know one. (neener neener)

Espen

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Squaredsc.. ah.. good question.. There were in fact two types of trolls in the Lord of the Rings.. The three we see after Weathertop (when Frodo has been stabbed) in the background, that were turned into stone in "The Hobbit" where in fact Forest Trolls, and were significantly larger than humans.. (I omitted those in my initial list). In addition, there was the "Cave Troll" in the Mines of Moria, which was also quite a bit larger than humans.. You may be thinking of the "Orcs", also known as "Goblins", which are indeed human-sized (or technically elf size, though they are distantly related)... While Goblins do indeed have a social structure similar to Norwegian Mountain Trolls (in "The Hobbit" they even have a "Goblin King"), they are not the same species.. Hope that helps!

To keep this topical, Mike Boogie would be an example of a "Goblin"..

Dreamweaver

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellas better watch out. He is almost to the age where guys under 30 will think he is a troll himself. Some gay men think that when a guy reachs 35 or so, that they no longer have the "staying" power.....guess again, now there's a little blue pill for that.

Espen

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dreamweaver, for a second there I was wondering what "The Matrix" had to do with this (though Fishburne does look like a less attractive Marcellus) but then an image of Bob Dole struck me..

Hermione69

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sqaredisc, I think you are thinking of the dwarves that like to mine the mountains for treasure. Dwarves are short. If you think back to the scene in the mountain where one of the hobbits knocks a skeleton down a well and the orcs hear them and come to battle the Fellowship, the orcs run when this huge, ugly creature comes in with a mace and starts attacking everyone. That huge, ugly creature is the troll.

Justmary

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The cute lil troll dolls popular in the 60's (ahem!) were called Wishniks. i love em. in fact, last year my nick on this board was Wishnik, but I forgot my password and had to re-join with another name. Wishniks/troll dolls have wild hair, so that can't be what M meant--unless Marci was referring to the little plastic bald ones you could get out the gumball machines in the 60's, then the description would fit Gerry!

Hermione69

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Espen knows a lot more about this than I do, though!

Bottom line-- any way you cut it, a troll is an insult!

Dreamweaver

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Espen,

I'm sorry to have put that image in your head.

Bob Dole is the poster child for Trolls, hence the little blue pills.

Espen

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione69, ah yes.. forgot about the Dwarves.. They are indeed mountain-based humanoids and also originate in Norway!.. Of course, as you mention, none of them (except Gimli) had many speaking (or even moving) parts in the Lord of the Rings..
(The names used in those books are actually taken directly from Old Norwegian legends).. Okay, enough Roddyisms..

(Though you are right, Troll is not a compliment)

Bernie

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not meaning to nitpick, but wasn't that a BALROG, in the mines of Moria? Which I believe are fire demons? Even the orcs in Moria took to their heels when it appeared, and only Gandalf, being a Maiar, could vanquish it...

And to keep this topical, it took an Amyar to vanquish Chiarog

Twiggyish

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Bernie, it took me a minute to get your pun..
Amyar, Chiarog!

Espen

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bernie, well there was a Balrog, but that was *after* the Cave Troll and Orcs.. In other words, first there was Josh and Eric and Chiara.. then there was a battle on the Bridge between Danielle and Roddy.. And one of them said "You Shall Not Pass (and win 500K)".. I will leave it to you to decide who is who.. *grin*

Hermione69

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The Balrog came after they fought the troll. The orcs had circled them again and the Fellowship looked doomed. Then the Balrog came and the orcs ran like hell. Gandalf got them out of the Balrog situation at great sacrifice to himself.

Zachsmom

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
just when I thought the spinning stopped..I had to open this thread..I am going to lay down!

Espen

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's okay, Zachsmon, the men in the white coats will take the rest of us away soon.. You really didn't see anything here.. move along...

Wedge

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Espen...too funny with your analogy, thanks for making me laugh even though I have felt at times today like :heading for the hills:
:)

Bernie

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Man, I can't get a darn thing right today! And I just watched the DVD of the Fellowship this week too-how did I forget the troll BEFORE the Balrog...so, if Will was the troll, and Shannon was the Balrog, how come Hardy, er, I mean, Gandalf, didn't win in the end? Oops - wrong BB!

Watching2

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All of my gay friends call guys they find unattractive trolls. It doesn't necessarily have to indicate age. I've heard guys the same age call the other a troll because they were unattractive and maybe coming on to them, as well. Other adjectives which may be attributed to troll in addition to unattractive: creepy, ugly, disgusting, gross, etc. I think you get the idea.

Squaredsc

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 03:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
thats right hermione they were dwarves. <smack myself upside the head> i totally forgot about dwarves also. i just want to say that this has been a very enlightening topic.

bernie i thought kent would be gandalf, you know, old and wise. <hee hee>