FINALLY! They decide...(for today anyway)
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FINALLY! They decide...(for today anyway)
Fruitbat | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 05:31 am     Annitar, thanks! Yes that was definately worth it. Only moments ago I was convinced Chiara was going. |
Glennknj | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 06:52 am     Whichever one does not go, Roddy or Chiara, I feel has a good change of winning this thing as Will did last year. He/she will become the perpetual nominee that is not seen has a threat because he/she is not seen as having any more allies. |
C1mag | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 06:55 am     Disagree Glenn. It appears as if it's a done deal and Chiara will be staying. She will go within 2 weeks. The only Will in this group that may keep getting by is going to be Gerry. I call him Mr. Magoo all the way. He just keeps stumbling by week after week, but this person staying from this eviction will definitely not make it to the end. |
Earthmother | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 07:40 am     I agree with you C1mag. Gerry is the only one with no connection. He is the one that each of them has verbally violated and made to look like a monster. They have collectively tried to make each other hate Gerry, but do they really hate him? I think since he is the loner that they really think with all thier trash talk about him that he is the only one they feel confident they could beat at the end. Truth be told I think he is the one who could beat everyone but Jason at the end, because I think all the Gerry talk is a ruse. If the others see the crap that's said about them from tapes Gerry has it in the bag if he is up against anyone but Jason. |
What555456 | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:04 am     So, Dani has again landed on her feet, is going to get rid of Roddy and has a way now of testing Marcellus. I am not surprised she got her head together and is again thinking strategy. However, I suspect the real reason Marcellus is willing to stab Amy in the back (ain't he the nice guy?) is that Marcellus realizes that Amy wants to be with Roddy, not him and that if Roddy stays, she will be all over him, leaving Marcellus alone again. Interesting. But I still do not trust him in the least. I think he meant what he said to Dani and Lisa, but if the jerk gets his feelings hurt by someone voting against Roddy, he is going to cry again and will make a dramatic, oh so dramatic!, scene and spill the beans to everyone. |
Spunky | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:36 am     Don't believe what they say now, also what they're saying in the DR. They may be saying they're voting Roddy out (don't you remember what they said when Josh was kicked out unanimously?) and then Chiara is also out unanimously. We can see through them so easily and the tv show wants us to be surprised..huh! |
Dee723 | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:44 am     Well here's my theory on Marcellus stabbing Amy in the back. She basically did the same EXACT thing to him when she voted to keep Josh. She KNEW how much he wanted Josh to go,-they had numerous conversations in the HOH room about it and yet she voted the way she wanted to. Marcellus could very easily tell her that he felt it was in everyone's best interest to keep Chiara and leave it at that. What goes around comes around. |
Jagger | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:51 am     I am really not sure how the votes will go, I do not remember Danny saying she wouldn't vote against Roddy. I think it all depends on who Lisa decides to support Danny or Mars. I don't think she has reveiled the convo she had with Mars and Amy the other night, where M,A let her in on how Danny is having them do her dirty work. I know Jason will evict Roddy if he knows Danny and Lisa are voting that way, he wants Roddy out but I don't think he will vote that way if it is going to be unanimous against Chi. Could be an interesting vote Thursday, I have no clue how Gerry will vote. |
Oregonfire | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:54 am     Everyone is very floaty this round of voting. Has there been a definitive conversation? All of this guesswork is making me nervous. Maybe we really won't know until after the voting or Thursday even who will be gone. |
Nutsy | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 08:58 am     Oregonfire - well, at least it would make the TV show interesting for us! |
Sassylady | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:10 am     I am thinking that Dani is trying to get enough votes against Roddy where she can keep her word to Amy and Roddy will still be gone. Jason is her ace in the hole. All she is saying is "Roddy needs to go"--she is not saying " I am voting Roddy out" I agree once again with What55.. It appears she has landed on her feet..but with this bunch who knows.. Oh I am thinking the comment to Marc by Lisa, that Roddy is going to be the Will might be what snapped him back to reality.. ::::shrug:::: |
What555456 | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:13 am     Oregonfire, It appears that overnight (while we normal people were sleeping! <g>), Dani, Lisa and Marcellus agreed to oust Roddy. The assumption is that Jason will go along with them -- probably a safe assumption. It also appears that it was decided that Dani, Lisa and Marcellus are going to jointly discuss this with Amy so that she is not blindsided by the vote. I would not be surprised if they decided to try to bring Gerry in on this as well; but they really do not need to. But, we'll have to see. If this is all true, I do not trust Marcellus -- as I said in an earlier post on this thread. He may stick to what he has said. But he is such an emotion driven individual, I can see him running off to Roddy to fill him in on the entire thing. What Roddy would/will do when he finds out what is up, --and I suspect he will figure it out today-- I don't know. He can't cause another blow up like he did with Josh. That would be too obvious. I doubt he can pull Lisa and Jason from Dani. If Marcellus does break the trust he has with Dani and Lisa again, they may likely just decide he is out next week, knowing that Chiara will be on their side because they saved her. Gerry probably would be too. I look for Roddy out this week, Chiara and Marcellus up next week -- with Chiara gone, unless Marcellus really screws things for himself, which is VERY possible. |
Jagger | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:14 am     I have a feeling that Mars is playing Danny, telling her he will evict Roddy and will turn on her. The only way Danny can assure he is gone is to vote for him herself. If she is relying on Mars for his vote she will be scr*wed, unless Gerry votes against Roddy, which I really dought. It's time for her to start voting against the person she wants out, not by what she has promised somebody. |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:16 am     I don't understand why Dani is like 'the votes will tell' (That is, if it is 4-1 (Roddy out),t hen they know Marc is ok, but if it's 3-2 then he isn't) They left the conversation as 'Everyone votes with the way they want to. Doesn't matter.' Marc voting to keep Roddy doesn't necessary mean he is in cohoots with Roddy. It may just mean he is honoring Amy's wishes. (I'm not saying Marc is not in cohoots with Roddy, I'm just saying that Dani can't know from her 'test'.) Hmmm, 'TEST'. Dani sounds more, and more, like Roddy each day.... |
What555456 | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:25 am     Dani feels betrayed by Marcellus, that she can't trust him. He seems to have agreed last night to vote to remove Roddy. Dani wants to find out if Marcellus is with them (Dani, Lisa and Jason) or agin' them. So, yes it is a test. And if I were Dani, I would be doing the same thing. She needs to know who she can work with for the next couple of weeks. |
Saggkl | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:26 am     I agree Jagger, I don't think Lisa has told all to Danni about her talk with Amy and Marc. I haven't watched 24/7 but I haven't seen any indication Danni knows all. |
Wcv63 | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:27 am     Gina, the difference is that Roddy was testing Chiara personally (which I find deplorable) and Dani is testing Marc in the game to see where his allegiance lies. Completely different from Roddy. I've read this whole thread and feel optimistically hopeful about the vote. I hope they go straight from the bed to the voting. Until it's a done deal I won't feel comfortable with this at all! |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:33 am     I guess I'm to the point where I really don't want Dani or Roddy to win this thing. I see them as two sides of the same coin. Because of this, I'm kinda rooting for Chiara to go, because that foils Dani's numbers advantage. Dani already has Lisa nearly totally submissive to Dani's every strategy and move. Now, she will get Chiara in the same position if she 'saves' her. It is making me sick to may stomach. I fully admit I may have Lisa's actions wrong, but until I see some DR comments to the contrary, I'm going with my assumption that Lisa is following Dani's strategy to a T. |
Stingerman | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:35 am     The only bad thing is even if Danni does vote for Chiara to go she still broke her word to Amy about Roddy not leaving. She promised Amy she had the votes to get rid of Chiara and no matter how you slice it Amy is going to be really pissed at her. So Danni may have though she won this one but in the end she is going to get 2nd place at best because of all the votes she is going to lose at the end. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 09:40 am     But Dani betrayed Marcellas before he was openly on to her game.. Dani may feel betrayed but she never planned for him to go all that far and has now added Lisa (probably because she thinks she can control Lisa better than she can control Marcellas). I had opined yesterday that she was a bit jealous of him being with Amy since Amy returned and she confirmed that last night, saying how she missed him, talks, etc. I think this is a difficult vote because almost all of them fear Roddy's perceived power but they are also put off by Chiara's mouth and actions. It certainly makes for an interesting week, I must say. I also don't really think Dani ever gave up on ousting Roddy, but she won't be the leader (she will but she doesn't want it public), so when Marcellas said Roddy must go she tried to get him to "tell" her and Lisa and he just said to vote your heart.. but Dani doesn't really want her heart to be known. I also think Dani thinks she can hold control over Chiara and that if Dani is HOH I predict that she won't nominate Chiara.. I think she'll select two from: Marcellas, Amy, Gerry. |
Jaysgal | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:12 am     I don't believe that Marcellas will go with her plan. She contradicts herself too much. Marcellus said, everyone should go with their gut feeling, what's in their heart. So, why would he have to join her plan? Why does she assume that what's in his heart is to evict Roddy? As I said before, Marcellas plays both sides. He's pretending. He's the king of drama. Wait until you see another drama. LOL! :D As for Lisa, I would want to believe Lisa that she has a mind of hers. I am praying that she is playing her own game, but I'm afraid realistically she is not. I gave up on hoping once she regurgitated things that Danielle had told her to say. That to me is so unoriginal. Even if she's paired with Danielle, she shouldn't go regurgitating exact words. You rephrase things in your own way. She's as dumb as a rock. Lisa will fall into the hands of another master in reign once Danielle ceases. It seems to me that Lisa always wants to be a servant. Even Chiara is more intelligent. Danielle has strange criminals. Jason will be tripping about his crime. He'll be too nervous at the moment and may actually freak out, hence voting as he had promised to Amy. His conscience would disturb him too much. Lisa ... uhmm, she'll probably stay dumb unless someone goes logically step-by-step to show her why Danielle's argument is totally fallacious and in fact would not favour Lisa. Hence, Danielle may be hoping, but Jason is not a guarantee. He's got too much of that guilt trip. |
Sam222 | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 10:32 am     Jason never promised anything to Amy, Dani told Amy she had 3 votes Lisa, Dani and Marc she never involved Jason in that. Amy actually asumed Jason would vote for Chiara to stay. So Jason would not be breaking his word. Actually out of all of them I am the most sure Jason will vote out Roddy because he knows Roddy has been gunning for him and lying about him. |
Sassylady | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:06 am     Sam: You're right. Jason has no guilt with this vote. Everyone knows he has a "crush" on Chiari and would naturally vote to keep her...Which Chiari's comment comes to mind that makes me laugh: "I will be nice to him(Jason);I will let Him rub MY feet." That was just so Uh...Chiari. Back to Jason's guilt. I do not remember Jason promising to keep Chiari to Amy. At that time Amy was thinking of putting him up with Chiari--so she never approached him. So I don't understand where the guilt would be for Jason with this vote. Plus if Roddy is gone who would call him on it. Chiari would view it as being "cute" and sweet that he kept her. |
Whit4you | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 05:30 pm     Roddy's not going anywhere - all five of those voting voted to keep him in the house last week - nothing has changed this time except that THIS time they can use NOT voting Chaira out to their various advantages. |
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