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Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Z, well said! I am right behind you, lurkmode here we come!!

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Geesh. I'll say again that I don't care for Chiara. Not at all. However, Roddy's attempts to align with her including leading her to believe that he was more than a little romantically interested in her. He "kept her in line" by manipulating events which ended in Chiara apologizing for something that he either did, started, caused or imagined.

I wouldn't have been able to hang out with Chiara either. But NOT ONCE when she demanded his full attention and lashed at Amy did he say, "Chiara, although I like you we are not a couple and Amy does not warrent this kind of attack." No. What he did was say , "Oh Kiki...let's get Amy out first chance we can get...she's so selfish. I will make sure that I tell the whole nation what a selfish horrible little girl she is....and then we can really humilate her by not giving her even one vote! Yeah!"

Ummmm. He used her. His way of playing is to play with people's minds and emotions. To get at them on a personal level. To cut them down and then build them up just enough so that they are grateful.

Give me a break. The guy is a lout.

Laura11103

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I cannot find the live feed posts of Roddy telling Chiara off. What time exactly did this happen? Any help finding this would be appreciated.

Eden

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sure Chiara has behaved badly, I agree. I never understood what Roddy saw in her or how he seemed to let pass her over-the-top behavior. But, he did! It isn't as if she didn't ALWAYS behave that way. She didn't suddenly change from when he first met her and thought she was SO GREAT! Why didn't he say something sooner if it bothered him so much? Be honest, it didn't bother him enough to say anything until she became a real liability in the game. He was mentioning things that happened in the first weeks of the house, for pity's sake! Then he paints himself as some sort of martyr for have endured her disrespect. PLEASE! Why didn't he respect her enough to tell her how he was feeling when he had problems with her behavior instead of slowly giving her the cold shoulder during the day and crawling in her bed a night!

You can't expect someone to change their behavior if you never tell them it's a problem. Sadly, I think she would have changed if he had said something. I think he knows it too and that's exactly WHY he didn't!

Calling Roddy a cad is a compliment.

Babyruth

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Wcv63. He seems to have an unerring ability to read people's emotional strengths and weaknesses and use it to his advantage. That's probably why he's still in the game.

Crossfire

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe he was saying that he was thinking that the closer they got, the more she would respect him, and stop doing embarrassing things or something completely insulting like that.

Oregonfire

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You go, Eden! Very well said.

Hi Babyruth! text

Milesquade

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not that I really want to jump into this fray, but I'm curious...Delilah said:

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Roddy is NOT a loser nor a user. He is eloquent, smart, fair and morally upstanding IMO. He is my kind of guy. It is JMHO and I am sticking to it as I have from day one
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and later added:
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Roddy should be with an independent, secure, intelligent, emotionally balanced, attractive woman not a <> like Chiara. He needs a woman Hmmm, like me perhaps?
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Now Roddy has claimed before that he does look for intelligence in a girlfriend, but then he goes on to say

from LFP, July 17, 2002, 3.21 am, posted by Angelsluv:

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Cam's #1&2
Roddy and Char still babbling..

Roddy says that it must be about 6am in NY (he was right!) and that his family must be watching this and his wife is pissed that he's in bed with her!! (still on the ?married joke).

Every single girlfriend except one that he dated a year ago all cheated on him. Saying that he is very possessive and he thinks that's the highest form of caring is to posses someone.

When Char was young, she dated someone who totally possessed her. She felt stuck and in a cage. She realized that she couldn't handle being like that but stayed in the relationship. She wants someone possessing her but not obsessive.

Roddy says that if they date outside of the house that he would be a control freak, even to the point of checking her bills and checkbook. That she will have a pager only for him and that when he pages her, she's got 4 minutes to call him.

That he will demand her to do certain things, wear what he wants her to wear, his ordering in a resturant what she eats.. ..

*K, Completely M/s relationship he wants and she loves the entire idea*

He tells her that this will prove to her how much he cares for her for doing all this for her..

She is saying that she has never cared so much for anyone like she does him.

Now into afew minutes of sexual demands, etc.. (Not going there on this thread)
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FWIW, I'm not trying to argue or prove any position here, I really don't care one way or another about either of them, IMO they both seem to be perfect for and deserving of each other, a match made in heaven or, well, some other place. But the above entry is the point where several of my female pals who started out liking Roddy went "EEEEWWWWWW! What a noxious jerk!"
So I'm curious as to how those few of you who still like Roddy interpret what he said above...do you think he was just saying that stuff to try to make Ch NOT get too attached to him and it backfired (it turned out she liked what he said)?

I'm just askin'

Wedge

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Unfortunaltely you cant change who somebody is or their behavior, even if you tell them they are acting "badly". (This actually isnt Chiara fault altogether, the fault lies in BB as well... who obviously didnt give any MMPI or other psych test to the HG before entry) If she is lured by a man she has known for a month and lives and breathes on his every word...the problem lies with her.

Crossfire

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now that I've seen more of him, I believe he was being completely serious. Fun guy.

Sassylady

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WooHOO WCV..you go girl!!! You think so much like I do...must be the cajun food :0D

Wedge

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
(P.S I am not a HUGE Rod or a bash Chiara fan, just a person who watches the LF a bit and has an opinion...Its just a bad situation, lets hope it doesnt get worse.)

Moedog

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yea, Wcv and Eden! :::clapping hands:::

I agree, cad really isn't strong enough. I'll go with Wcv... Roddy is a lout! I'll add scumbag, lowlife, smarmy, and predator, also.

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Milesquade, clap! clap! clap! clap! times 10!!

Excellent points! As one who started out liking Roddy you nailed the moment he fell out of favor with me. Since then he's been falling and falling and falling. Still waiting for the big loud crash when he hits bottom.

Moedog

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for hunting that down, Milesquade!

Roddy supporters, what say you? I'm curious, too.

Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I stick to my beliefs and I commend Roddy for being so honest in that respect. He is very like me (no Delilah bashing please!) I too am possessive, although not to the extreme like he is, I too am a republican, I too write, read, travel etc... I think he was telling her how he really is as a boyfriend, how it would be very difficult to be with him because he is so intense. I am very intense and that is why I can count my friends on one hand, you can either deal with me or you can't. I am very deep and profound like Roddy but without the psychological trappings. I am married to a man quite similar to the Rodster and I can deal with him because we are equally intense. He is of a certain age and I believe he has probably been up front with the women in his life and they have left him because they can't deal with his intensity. Chiara wouldn't be able to either IF he wanted to be with her. He was being open about himself. Obviously it didn't scare her off, she is so in awe of him and can't believe there is a man on the planet she can't have. She is so out of his league.

Can't believe I just bore innermost feelings to all you folks, but hey, I had to add my thoughts and try to explain why I commend Roddy so as most of you find it almost impossible to understand

Wedge

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Delilah, I am a Democrat and still am with ya on this..:)

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Delilah there is a difference between being intense (which is a quality I rather admire btw) and being controlling. Any man who wants to treat a woman as a "possession" and not as a an equal is someone I have learned to fear. That's right. Fear. They can steal your very soul if you're not careful.

Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Wedge, don't know what I would have done without you today my friend!

Moedog

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Intensity? How's that for a euphemism? Roddy flat out says he's a CONTROL FREAK. He needs to dominate a woman he is with. He could never be with a strong, intelligent, confident woman. She'd leave his ass in a heartbeat's time.

Mollywood

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is what happened. KiKi's mother was a beautiful woman, a trophy wife, when she started aging she got frightened and desperate because she knew her husband only saw her in terms of looks, and body. she passed that desperation on to her daughter, from the way kiki speaks about her body i feel she thinks it is her strongest asset, and doesnt last forever. she needs help,I think the one reason r. keeps getting meaner and more aggresive, is she doesnt hear him..she has no clue, or its buried so deep she could never show it...i feel hopeful for her tho i have noticed how everytime a "real" person sees how they appear on television, they very often return looking and feeling much better.. Miss Cleo.

Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WCV You are right. However Roddy knows himself, he has completed that journey of self discovery (as I have) found out some things he doesn't like but accepts them, he has reconciled with himself and he isn't a "tell them what they want to hear" kind of guy. IMO he has been up front about how he is (controlling, possessive etc...) and that is why he has not had a successful relationship at this point. He will, there is someone out there who needs that and I hope to goodness he finds it. He is one hell of a guy IMO.

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
During a journey of self-discovery if one discovers some traits that one doesn't like, it seems only logical that such self-awareness would deem those areas to be worked on and mentally redesigned. Put them under construction and work on those areas to create the best person that one can possibly be.

He expected Amy to work on her "faults." He expects Chiara to work on her "faults." Yet his faults are to be accepted without question?

Delilah

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Moe, yes he is a control freak and we would have to delve into his past and his childhood to know why. He is also a chauvinist. I have never denied that. He needs someone IMO as strong willed as himself to balance him out. That is all I am saying. I do not disagree that he is controlling and possessive but I for one admire that in him. Again, it is JMHO. I agree with most of his opinions and beliefs (as a Republican and as a person) and I enjoy listening to his stories and views. That is me. I am just telling you why. That is why I like him and respect him. If I were single I wouldn't want to have a relationship with him but I would want him for a friend.

Oregonfire

Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do think it's too bad that Roddy's been cheated on a lot. Sometimes I think he's a frightened little boy hiding behind all of that control bravado. Reminds me of Steve Martin's character in Parenthood. He needs to loosen his grip and relax a little. While he supposedly had a lot to teach Chiara, he could learn a lesson or two from her in the "chill out" department. (Except for that early Chiara freaking out about Amy episode. Chiara was prety p*ssed about that one.)