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Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
mink I dont think its deceptive to want to avoid the weekly mind <> by roddy. I'm not even in the game and wouldnt want to go thru the bs. Thats why I say its really dangerous to put gerry up. that would mean roddy only has to convince lisa and he wins again. You have to put amy or marcy to split that 2 vote for roddy.

Minkster1973

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Danielle has already proven that she is in this for herself alone. Voting the way she did last night only proves that point. Jason needs to grow a backbone and nominate Roddy and Danielle and let the house decide once and for all.

Seanflynn

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Minkster et al

When are you guys going to get it that it isn't Roddy's deceptiveness that bothers most of us, but his obnoxiousness and superior attitude?

I think we all get it that they are playing a game. It is how they act as human beings that has the biggest impact, and although this is all subjective, more people seem to like Danielle and Jason than Roddy. And pointing out that they are deceptive isn't going to change that.

Minkster1973

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Theo, the entire house has been putting up with the pressure of Roddy for over 40 days, if Jason can't take the heat in the most stressful part of the game, then he should get out of the kitchen. If that's is the case, he doesn't deserve to win anyway. Play the game....

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
mink that would be suicide. then danni is gone and roddy is left to get rid of jason with marcy and amy yelling go roddy and wiping his brow while doing it. jason has a backbone and he is going to show it by doing whats best for him. danni doesnt want jayson gone but roddy, amy and gerry do

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
mink he can play the game his way he doesnt have to do what you or roddy wants. i didnt see the rules say you must go get your mind screwed by roddy. They give the hoh a room with a lock for a reason and if he chooses to uses it so be it.

Earthmother

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
deceit is part of the game. Anyone can claim that they thought that agreement was only for x amount of time.."Gee I'm sorry I must have misunderstood." Did Roddy deceive Chiara? Did Chiara deceive Lisa? Did Marc deceive Dani? I could go on and on. This is the game, where real life standards and values can not always be used. As Jason and Gerry have proved it can be done without character assinations but it can't be won without a fair amount of deals, alliences or lies (deceit).

Minkster1973

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I only used the term "deceptive" because I was comparing the actions of Jason to anyone else that has been slammed in this message board for backstabbing and conniving.

Why is it okay for Jason to pull this, but two weeks ago Chiara and Roddy were devils for going against Lisa in an attempt to try and save Eric? In my opinion, Roddy and Chiara didn't go against their word, they just voted whom they thought was the strongest of the two players to take to the end with them.

Rissa

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Starr. From what we saw last week, Amy is a definate vote for Roddy and Marc. will probably do what his southern bell demands. Better to put Roddy up against one of them, that way they will be forced to vote for the other and Roddy is out in the cold. There are what, four votes this time? Lisa/Dan can be counted on for a Roddy eviction.. Gerry too but not as definate and then Amy/Marc will also be a Roddy vote IF they need to keep the other in the house.

PS: check this out (I will post it in the links section too).. I split a gut laughing (suggestion: use Canada as the obscure country). This guy should be in charge of production, the show would sure be more entertaining. LOL Ideal Big Brother

Jaysgal

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Minkster1973. I love Jason, but the way he's playing the game keeps suggesting to me that he is not a strong-willed man.

Well, the title says that Jason's talking to everyone. Does that mean that he has called Roddy or will be calling Roddy? I mean, I am reading about him avoiding Roddy, but I am also reading about how he's calling everyone. Is he gonna leave out Roddy? LOL! Jason is such a shy guy. Roddy's appearance and eyes scare the **** out of him. He better get protection once he's out of that house. Hehehe! Remember he told Chiara how she was someone to protect him. Maybe he had in mind that her presence made him feel less intimidated with Roddy around, as she was the voice of reason for him.

Needmylifeback

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that Danielle broke into that meeting because she just had a talk with Marcellas where she pointed out that Amy went and talked to Roddy about what she (Dani) had said/done/was going to do and Marcellas gave a reply like he would never do something like that....flat out lied to her face and while the message was hot she needed to let Jason know!

Zachsmom

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
uh oh Rissa..is that a porn site? Couldn't access it from my work computer..:)

Cameltoes

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason said he was going to talk to Roddy "mano a mano" if he decided to nominate him and tell him the reasons why beforehand. So I assume he's saving him for last since he's nominating him.

Goddessatlaw

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Personally, if I were in there I'd lie like a cheap oriental rug, and lie somemore by denying that I lied unless I got caught red-handed. Then I'd lie about having a lying-related disability so they'd sympathize rather than vote me out. The lying and deception don't bother me. I have to admit, though, that Dani setting Jason up to take a huge fall would bother me when a more feasible means of getting Roddy out exists (i.e. nominating Marc and NOT putting Jason on the hotseat for a tiebreaker). Not that she can't do it, and it'd be a seriously self-preserving move on her part, but I still wouldn't like her beating up on Jason like that.

Wendo

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The alliance (which it was more of Roddy saying he'll protect Jason) was only for three weeks. Roddy even commented during Chi's HOH that the three weeks had passed. Secondly, I watched the convo between Jason and Roddy b4 the Li and Eric eviction, and Jason NEVER said "I will vote out Lisa". It never happened. Finally, Roddy campaigned with Amy for Jason to be up. He called Jason a liar and untrustworthy. IMO, Jason doesn't owe Roddy a thing.

Meggieprice

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well said Seanflynn. I started out liking Roddy but the way he uses his mind to manipulate people bothers me so much that I want him out more than I even wanted Josh out! From using his sexuality with Chia, Marc, and Amy, to last night implying that Lisa should be allied with him because Eric would want her to...the way he stole Jason's moment in HOH to orchestrate that discovery of woobie in his bag after he knew it was there for a long time..the list goes on and on for me. I think there will be a collective sigh of releif even from Marc and Amy if he leaves and then the game can begin anew.

BTW MInk, I do not think Chia did anything but follow Lord Roddy's wishes when she voted Lisa out and then found some lame reasoning to support it. Roddy and Eric planned to be at the end with Josh so Chia would have been sloughed off when the time was right.

Jaysgal- I think Jason will talk to Roddy. I'm a little worried- that is why I started this thread!

Meggieprice

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo- what you said is exactly how I have perceived things- there was no alliance and Jason does not owe him.

Goddess- how will that (Marc up) guarantee no tie? What about veto?

Goddess146

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason in gathering data. He knows what he wants to do. He is using his HOH position to get into what people are thinking in general.

For example Marci told Jason he would NEVER vote against Dani. He would not vote against her despite her playing her family angle to hard, dispite her working the game too hard, dispite the fact she has said some bad things about him. That is very valuable information.

Now Gerry is spilling his thinking.

Jason is a smart man (not a kid as Roddy likes label him).

Seamonkey

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Another fly in the ointment of a Roddy-Amy nomination, which I suppose she didn't share with Jason, is that she told Roddy if they were nominated together she'd make sure she left, or even walk out. Not saying if she'd do it or not but it is likely to cause more drama than Jason wants and may well leave him sharing the ever-shrinking house with Roddy.

So, not that I want this combo, but following his logic.. Roddy must go, handcuff one of his possible votes.. he'd have to put Marcellas up.

My ideal is Dani vs Lisa. Dani would be gone, but of course Jason won't do that.

Roddy vs Gerry.. interesting but dangerous.

Roddy vs Lisa. Possible tie.. not sure what Gerry would actually do.

Oh well..

I do wish Dani wouldn't play the "I'm not manipulating -- follow your heart" game and then interfere. But Jason wants to please "mom".

Maris

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Is Gerry so out of the loop that he really believes that if Roddy is put up he would be safe??? He definitely wants Amy out.

Minkster1973

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, in that case, let's slam Roddy and Eric, and everyone else in the house for that matter. Because any one person who has started an alliance with more than two people are all scumbags.

Danielle and Jason started their alliance....they both started including Marcellus and Danielle.......so with that argument.....what scumbags they are for using Marcellus and Lisa to get to the end when they both know that they have no intention of them winning in the end.

I agree that Roddy has played dirty. But they are playing dirty too. Why is Roddy being portrayed as worse a person for it though?

Goddessatlaw

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggie - putting Marc up guarantees as far as it CAN be guaranteed no tie - there is always the off-chance that Amy will win the veto and save Marc, and then Gerry will get thrown in and there we go with the tie. But that will only happen if Amy wins veto.

Rissa

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zachsmom, good Lord NO!!! RFLOL I would never do that to you. :) There might be one or two words that might set off a censor system though (ie lesbian), not cursing.

Litafreak

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As soon as I saw Jason won HOH I thought he'll do whatever Dani wants him to do. She has that boy on a short leash. Look at how she is with everyone else. She lied to Rod when he asked her if she wanted to vote for him. She will turn on jason... She will not want to be in the final two with jason. The jury is the evicted HG's. If they had to decide between Jason and Dani he will win. dani knows this. I wish he wasn't so green!

Wendo

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I think I see all of your points about putting Amy up with Roddy. Especially since Gerry told Ja just now that he wouldn't use veto if Amy's on the block. Nor do I think Mar would.