Archive through August 24, 2002
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Archive through August 24, 2002
Sanfranjoshfan | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:08 am     Earthmother - Huh? You didn't think I was boo-ti-ful??? LOL |
Snee | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:09 am     i was a gangster so i was SCARY! (and hot.) |
Sheila494 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:11 am     brynah..why else would he do those things? |
Sanfranjoshfan | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:14 am     Maybe he just LIKES it....that doesn't mean he DISlikes having a penis. Just sayin'.... |
Brynah | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:15 am     Well, just because someone puts on long fingernails on ocassion doesn't mean that *obviously* he lives life outside as a drag queen. Seems kind of a leap to make that assumption. |
Sia | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:18 am     Sanfran, it's really sad that Marcellas seems to have disintegrated in this manner. The venomous verbal attack on Gerry does sound creepy. I wonder when Mar will realize that his own behavior has cost him his chance at the big money. He went from being unpopular when the hamsters first arrived to being among the most popular and had a fair chance of finishing the game. I'm not a psychotherapist, but I am just amazed that (supposedly) all of this years' BB contestants passed psychological screenings. How is that possible? How do some hamsters fool the screeners and then just fall apart under the pressure? It's scary. The ultimate outcome of this year's BB is certainly hard to predict; that's what has all of us glued to our monitors! 'Night, all. |
Earthmother | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:18 am     Sheila, why do Amy and Lisa smoke cigars? Maybe they want to be men..huh.. what do ya think? lol Sanfran: shave honey Snee: So now do you want to sit around in tighty whities scratchin' your crotch and belching? |
Sheila494 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:19 am     sanfran..perhaps you are right..admittedly i know very little about homosexuality..im only trying to understand it. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:21 am     http://www.msu.edu/~alliance/faq/faqtransgendered.html Check out this link and you may see why your assumptions about Marcellas aren't very good evidence of a gender identity problem. |
Brynah | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:21 am     Snee, I dressed up as a man once too. I'm tellin' ya, the minute I put on those big bad boots, bolo tie, and those button-fly jeans on I just felt...oh...I don't know...like spittin' or something! Sad part was I actually looked better as a man than a woman...go figure. |
Snee | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:24 am     EM, nope, i was a one-time scary (and hot) gangster. and i'm glad I don't have a penis. just sayin'. |
Earthmother | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:29 am     I just can't figure out what they do with those things, Snee. It's like you are always there in the way of the zipper..what a pain. Who would want one added. I'm always trying to lose extra skin. lol I'm going to bed now and thanks to you guys, some way too graphically.. I am sure I will be having nightmares..lol |
Sanfranjoshfan | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:33 am     Sheila - "sanfran..perhaps you are right..admittedly i know very little about homosexuality..im only trying to understand it." I know what you mean...I knew I was gay long before I knew there was a name for it or even that there were others like me. That link in my last post may help. Transexual issues are very much more complicated than just being homosexual. I've known of transexuals that were men, became women and wound up in relationships with other women....basically, a guy that was a "lesbian trapped inside a man's body". Sounds weird but apparently that happens. One's sexual orientation defines simply which sex one is attracted to and feels fulfilled with. Gender identity is which sex you feel like you ARE inside, no matter what your body looks like (male or female) The weird thing is that those two things are exclusive of one another...a biological male transexual can be attracted to women, but still feel like he IS a woman trapped inside his male body. (Back on topic) I really don't think this is why Marcellas is as obnoxious as he is. I think that his winning America's Choice for the date, and then Amy feeding his ego telling him that a lot of people loved him on the show has gone straight to his white-rag-covered head and that's what's made him so unbearable. JMO |
Snee | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:36 am     i think he can't handle the stress AT ALL. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 01:04 am     I just posted an mp3 file of almost 9 minutes of Marcellas talking to himself Thursday night. He rambled on for about an hour, but here is a snippet I got: http://www.kweer.net/bb3 It will only be here for about a day, so if you want it, get it NOW! It's a 5MB file. He rambles about Police Woman on TV, movies, books, his ex boyfriend, shopping, having drinks, getting extra big slices of cake because he is "so cute", wanting kids with his ex, wanting his ex back, and shopping and then ends up with a dig at Gerry. Remember....he was ALL ALONE as this transpired! (I also posted this in the Marcellas talking to himself thread....but since the subject of his ego was in this thread, I thought it would be on topic here as well) |
Bridgetlovesbb | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:27 am     "i have no idea what was so hard to understand about that." Sheila494, Sorry, guess we can't all be as smart and insightful as you. |
Sheila494 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:56 am     guess not bridget |
Sheila494 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 10:58 am     thanks sanfran for helping me to understand this better..the site is very helpful. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:00 pm     You're welcome. :-) |
What555456 | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:08 pm     "sanfran..perhaps you are right..admittedly i know very little about homosexuality..im only trying to understand it." Shelia, let me try to help a little in your understanding. (I am gay, btw). Homosexuality has nothing to do with gender identification. Being transgendered does. Transgendered people are men who feel they are a woman in a man's body or women who feel they are a man trapped in a woman's body. They truly feel this way. It is not a game. It is not playing drag queen. Emotionally, psychologically and spiritually they feel like they are the gender that their body is not. It may be hard to comprehend, but it happens and is very real for these people. Yes, they will often sexually seek out partners of their own "physical" gender, but they do so because they feel deep inside of themselves that they are really the other gender, just with the wrong physical trappings. When you think of homosexuality, think in terms of how people in general fulfill themselves when they seek out another human being as a life partner. Heterosexual men become whole as human beings with a woman. Heterosexual women become whole as human beings with a man. The two become one. We see this all the time -- the way married heterosexual couples so often function almost as a unit. Heterosexuality has little to do with sexual activities, which are simply expressions of lust and love. It has a lot to do, infact everything to do, with who one needs to complete themselves as human beings -- spiritually, psychologically, emotionally, and physically. Homosexual men and lesbians are doing the same thing as hetersexuals are. They are seeking another person to fulfill themselves as human beings. In their case, though, they are not fulfilled with someone of the opposite gender; they are fulfilled by someone of the same gender. In no way are they seeking to be the opposite gender; they are seeking to be fulfilled as the human beings they are in the same way the heterosexuals are fulfilled -- spiritually, psychologically, emotionally, and physically. The mistake many people make when they look at homosexuals is that they focus solely on how they sexually interact with their partners. No one does this with heterosexual couples. While they recognize the sexual activites which mark their relationship, they do not see the relationship as defined that way. They recognize the relationship is far more all-encomapssing. Neither should people define homosexuals simply by the way they express themselves sexually with other human beings. People need to see the all-encompassing aspects of homosexual relationships they way the see it in heterosexual relationships to understand what it means to be gay. |
Nimtu | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:08 pm     I don't think Mar.'s ego is out of control. I think that he is interpersonally challenged by his lack of self-esteem. Generally people who are as seemingly mean-spirited as he is being are just not very secure individuals. I don't think Mar. has a very strong sense of self. JMO |
Wendo | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:40 pm     I posted this in another thread, but will post it here because I think it's relavent. You know, there's one thing I don't get about Marcellas and his hatred of Gerry. If you all will recall back many, many weeks to the show after Marcellas was vetoed, there was a DR entry by Marcellas about Gerry's speech. In Mar's DR speech, he commented how grateful he was that Gerry saved him and said he thought the speech was "beautiful". Marcellas isn't mad at Gerry about the speech, it's just his excuse. His anger stems from the fact that he now RESENTS Gerry for doing it because he feels he didn't need it, and he feels that he OWES Gerry something. Despite the fact that Gerry has said, countless times, Mar didn't owe him anything. Agree or disagree with Gerry's speech, that's fine, but the problem lies with Mar on this one, not Gerry. When Marcellas was saved that first week, Marcellas ego started spinning out then. It's continued to get wider and wider from that point. It's interesting when you consider that 1) he was likely gone that first week had it not been for Gerry, 2) He now hates Gerry because of it, 3) he believes he would have beat Lori, 4) number three just feeds his ever expanding ego. |
Bbrules4ever | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:52 pm     Why Does Marcellus hate Gerry? Let use Occam's razor. Gerry is Old, Overweight, and in Marcellus' mind a "Troll"(ugly, unattractive) Marcellus whole life as a model is based on having a beautiful appearance. If Gerry were 20 something and attracive, like Roddy or Eric, Marcellus would be kissing his feet for saving him. The fact is, Marcellus is afraid to be associated with anyone he feels is unattractive. He is shallow. Its that simple. |
Nimtu | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 12:52 pm     Good point Wendo. I understand why it seems that his ego is out of control, however, I still believe that what controls Marcellas is his insecurities. Notice that every time he really blows up correlates with a blow to his ego (ie Josh telling him he would have been gone if Gerry had not used veto). As a therapist I have seen lots of folks like this..what appears to be an overblown ego is really nothing more than an individual who is overcompensating for his/her own self doubt. |
Snee | Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:27 pm     makes sense, nimtu. |
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