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Archive through August 26, 2002
Caliogirl | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:11 am     I don't know if this has been discussed in any other threads - I've been away and haven't been able to read everything... For some reason Jason's distress about nominating/not nominating Roddy really reminds me of those kidnap victims who start to identify with their captures Disclaimer: I'm in no way suggetsing that BB3 can even begin to compare to the trauma of being held captive or being abducted or any other horrific scenario. Here's a definition: The term, Stockholm Syndrome, was coined in the early 70's to describe the puzzling reactions of four bank employees to their captor. On August 23, 1973, three women and one man were taken hostage in one of the largest banks in Stockholm. They were held for six days by two ex-convicts who threatened their lives but also showed them kindness. To the world's surprise, all of the hostages strongly resisted the government's efforts to rescue them and were quite eager to defend their captors. Indeed, several months after the hostages were saved by the police, they still had warm feelings for the men who threatened their lives. Two of the women eventually got engaged to the captors. The Stockholm incident compelled journalists and social scientists to research whether the emotional bonding between captors and captives was a "freak" incident or a common occurrence in oppressive situations. They discovered that it's such a common phenomenon that it deserves a name. Thus the label, Stockholm Syndrome, was born. It has happened to concentration camp prisoners, cult members, civilians in Chinese Communist prisons, pimp-procured prostitutes, incest victims, physically and/or emotionally abused children, battered women, prisoners of war, victims of hijackings, and of course, hostages. Virtually anyone can get Stockholm Syndrome it the following conditions are met: Perceived threat to survival and the belief that one's captor is willing to act on that threat The captive's perception of small kindnesses from the captor within a context of terror Isolation from perspectives other than those of the captor Perceived inability to escape. Stockholm Syndrome is a survival mechanism. The men and women who get it are not lunatics. They are fighting for their lives. They deserve compassion, not ridicule. I find it interesting that with the HG's being locked up together Jason (if not some of the others) seems to be displaying some of the symptoms. I thought it was an interesting perspective. Thoughts? |
Theo17 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:15 am     I was thinking the same thing when i watched the show. |
Crazydog | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:16 am     I don't think it's an accurate comparison. Roddy was not instantly perceived as the guy in charge who threatened all of them and could dictate the end of any of them. Jason has always liked Roddy and thinks of him as his Big Brother. It's as simple as that, he idolizes the guy and didn't want to be responsible for evicting him. |
Mjpinvt | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:18 am     I have a comment, but not to the actual question! haha. I want to thank you for posting this, because I heard this term a couple of weeks ago, not in the context of the game. I was cofused as to what is was, and go figure I find the answer on the BB boards... see you learn something every day. Thanks. As far as in the game... I think the fact that they volunteered to do this keeps this actual syndrome from rearing it's ugly head. JMHO. |
Caliogirl | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:21 am     Hey Crazydog. I should clarify -- I don't think Roddy is terrorizing anyone. He's playing the game -- and well I might add. I do think he is a master manipulator within the game. It might be suggested that the HG's aren't scared of him -- rather, they are scared of being without his approval and friendship. In this respect he is holding them "hostage" so to speak. I admit it's not a true comparison -- though there are definite similarities. |
Goddessatlaw | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:26 am     Fascinating post, Calio. I do think there are degrees to which the situation in the house fits the Stockholm mold, particularly in the notion that Jason and some other HG's are held hostage to Roddy's opinion of them. Perceived threat? Roddy won't like them any more, or Roddy's "high" opinion of them will be diminished, or Roddy might actually summon his inner flying monkees and actively (as opposed to passively) pursue kicking out the groveling HG. And they certainly can't get away from him. Not and still play the game, that is. Good catch, Calio - interesting stuff. |
Zachsmom | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:27 am     If they are "scared of being without his approval or friendship" that's their own inadequacies..and in no way should be Roddy's fault..and I disagree that there is any similarities whatsoever.. I think some people on this board just hate Roddy so much that they use whatever evil/malicious definition and try to pin it and compare it to Roddy..he's playing a game where manipulation,lying and backstabbing are the premise of the game..he's darned good at it..I give him kudos!! GO RODDY!!!!! |
Goddessatlaw | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:29 am     PS I can't figure out why any of them give a rats *ss what Roddy thinks about anything at all, much less allow their sense of self worth to be dictated by his opinion. |
Katrina | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:29 am     "Roddy might actually summon his inner flying monkees" -- hahahahaha! visions of Davy Jones & Co. springing forth! very funny, Goddess, whether it's the wicked witch or cheeseball band allusion..... |
Caliogirl | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:36 am     Hey Zachsmom - I don't hate Roddy -- I think he's playing a strong game. In fact I'm not slamming anyone -- rather, I think it's interesting to see how spending time locked up with these other "strangers" with "no outside" contact is affecting each person. I wonder how I would fare? I'm pretty strong willed and I think it would be an interesting experiment. |
Babyruth | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:37 am     I think the way the HG's (and especially Jason right now) are behaving is much more in line with Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer". I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of Roddy's favorite books. |
Zachsmom | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:37 am     I'd be booted the first week.. |
Lombadier | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:38 am     You tell 'em, Zachsmom. I haven't seen anyone hated so much on these boards since Will. Then again, maybe that's a good sign. |
Jag2000 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:46 am     I mentioned on another thread that I felt that Jason was afraid of Roddy and if he nom. Roddy he would have to live in that house with him for 6 days and I don't think that Jason is strong enough to give Roddy an answer as to why he nom. Roddy. Jason was really terrified in the DR when he had to give them an answer as to why he did not nom. Roddy. That kid really cried. He is the weakest player on BB3. I agree with you GODDESS. I don't know why they allow their sense of self worth to be dictated by his opinion. He is such a bully but in a suttle way. It is not in Jason's character to stand up to Roddy, it is almost like a love/hate situation. |
Zachsmom | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:51 am     Hopefully a VERY good sign Lombadier.. Maybe those of us who support Roddy and feel like we are on the "I hate Roddy and what ways can I bash him" board..can come out and say HORRAY!!! then again..I've never been afraid to say GO RODDY!..just the hate of him on the boards makes my time here less enjoyable..the amout of hate and dislike of some of the posters have against the HGs (not just Roddy)goes beyond anything normal.. |
Twiggyish | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:51 am     I don't think it's quite the same. Roddy made Jason feel guilty. But, we can't say Roddy has intimidated anyone, either. Roddy has the gift of many successful politicians, he knows how to influence people. Jason hasn't had much experience with someone like Roddy. He's very young still. |
Goddessatlaw | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:54 am     I thought this was a nicely phrased thread opener having to do with how JASON is REACTING to Roddy, not how Roddy is playing the game or how posters feel about Roddy at all. It doesn't bother me at all how Roddy's playing the game - it's his game. It bothers me that Jason and others are also playing Roddy's game instead of their own game. |
Richardfan | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 11:17 am     Hey Zachsmom, HORRAY or (HOORAY), whatever...  |
Squaredsc | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 11:17 am     -2{just passing thru.} |
Squaredsc | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 11:18 am     trying again, just passing thru. |
Wendo | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 11:29 am     Zachsmom and other Roddy supporters, I'm getting really tired of being called a Roddy hater just because I offer my opinion on how he's playing the game. Remember, this board is for us to comment and offer opinions on the HG's, their game playing, strategy and tactics. Those of us who are not on the Roddy bandwagon have every right to post without being attacked by you and others as "Roddy Haters." Give it a rest already. |
Litafreak | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 11:35 am     Isn't this the same thing Bunky sufferred from last year, under Nicole's power? I remember him crying in the DR because he was under her control to vote the way she wanted him to vote |
Wavelength | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 11:39 am     Calio thank you so much for starting this thread. When Jason was in the DR crying I got a terrible feeling that his emotions were not normal ones for a man who has only known Roddy since July. I think that he actually seems "in love" with Roddy. I hope they have a therapist on call for the HG's. |
Goddessatlaw | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 11:40 am     LOL, Lita - I'm just remembering the "I'm her puppet" breakdown. I watched that thinking, "what the h*ll are you talking about, Bunky?" Actually, in the Bunky and Nicole situation I thought it was much more of a strong-arming than a Stockholm thing. Jason and some of the current HG's seem to be favoring some level of indentured gratitude more in keeping with the Stockholm identifiers. What they feel the need to be grateful for, I don't know, except maybe that they're allowed to continue to bask in the glow of Roddy's approval. |
Wavelength | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 11:52 am     I agree with Jag that Roddy is abusive in a subtle way. He has a passive agressive personality and is probably much like this in real life. That is what I don't like about Roddy which isn't to say that I "hate" him. I can't believe that such an intelligent thread is disintegrating into a forum for Roddy haters/lovers. Each to his own. |
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