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Bastable

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 04:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that if Jason nominates Roddy this week, he's finally going. Everyone knows he's too big of a threat.

Roddy should NEVER have leapt up out of that tub in last week's HoH competition. That was the end of the game for him. If he'd stuck it out, it would all have been different for him... Chiara might have stayed, his power would have been stable...

What do you think was the fatal endgame error for Lori (the handwashing row?), Tonya (the "don't mess with me" Amy fight?), Eric, Josh, and Chiara?

And what have the remaining HGs done that you predict will eventually prove to be their undoing?

Woofy

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 04:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Great post, Bastable ... I think Josh's undoing was his "Nazi" comment and his bigger-than-life, out-of-control attitude ... and his whining.

Tweepee

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i think that not nominating Roddy will prove to be Jason's fatal error. Roddy may come back to zap him. Even if he never does, if it were between Jason and Roddy in the finals, that's a much closer vote than between Jason and anybody else.

Not nominating Roddy will be Jase's fatal error.

And yes, Woofy, Josh's fatal error was probably calling Gerry a Nazi. It's the one that kept coming back on him.

But what was Chiara's fatal error? It can't be as simple as winning HoH. What did she do or say that ended up breaking Amy's back, and the others? (Voting for Lisa's eviction is one thing... but what was her fatal mistake with Amy and Marcellas, for example?)

C1mag

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiaras fatal flaw... Just being Chiara. That backstabbing vote to evict Lisa didn't help out either. And if that doesn't work then her flaw was playing a game where someone like Amy would have the chance to come back and boot her LOL

Wcv63

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara's fatal mistake was staking claim to Roddy and being openly hostile with Amy.

Josh's fatal mistake was being caught in too many lies. He was deemed as untrustworthy by nearly ever single person in the house.

Tonya's fatal mistake was ticking off Marc and then making catty and unfounded accusations that led to a Marc/Tonya catfight.

Lori's fatal mistake was Gerry using the POV to take out the intended target and then melting down and becoming far too emotional. She tended to repeat herself and it was making the other hgs "uncomfortable."

Eric's fatal mistake was being in a visible alliance with Roddy and "hooking up" in the house. The couples were perceived as a fourfold threat that broke down into powers of two.

Cameltoes

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara's fatal mistake was the Eric vote. If she had stuck with evicting Eric and not wavered, she would have had no reason to evict Josh and she and Roddy could have gotten Gerry out instead. Gerry was a vote to bring Amy back. Of course, it still might have been 4-3 to bring Amy back but at least there would have been a better chance of avoiding Amy's return. This also ties into Eric's fatal mistake which was selling Josh out.

Knowledgeseeker

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani's major mistake was what just about everyone
on this board was unanimous about:

When Dani leaned hard on Marci to evict Roddy -
not Chiara - before last week's POV.

This led to ticking off Marci...who told Amy...
who,in her single-minded obsession to evict Kiki,
was furious at Dani for going back on her word.

This led to the disastrous flip-flop strategy,
culminating in the "opposite" fiasco & finally
with Jason resisting Dani's "full court press"
to nominate Roddy.

Bastable

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eric's fatal mistake was campaigning too hard to be vetoed. If he'd played it cool, Lisa might have been the one, since she was part of the "Girls' Club" that was a perceived threat back then.

Groucho

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 02:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In my mind the two critical events that shaped the whole direction of the game (so far) were:

(1) Jason voting to evict Eric

This vote was the difference in evicting Eric instead of Lisa. It broke up Roddy's power and turned Lisa against Roddy and Chiara. Chiara's vote against Lisa was dumb, but it wouldn't have hurt her if Eric had stayed like she thought he would. Jason's vote also made Roddy and Chiara see that they couldn't trust him.

(2) Chiara nominating Josh and Roddy

This was clearly Chiara's fatal mistake and likely the dumbest move in the game. Removing Josh significantly weakened both her and Roddy. They lost an ally who would never have nominated them and who probably would have voted the same way as them. Plus, Josh was a lightning rod for the other HGs dislike and mistrust, and once he left that shifted to Chiara and Roddy. They also missed an opportunity to evict someone who was a threat to them, like Dani, Jason, or Lisa.

Bastable

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason is about to make his fatal mistake TWICE! If he doesn't veto Gerry and put Roddy up after all, his goose is cooked!

To make the same mistake twice is bad enough, but to do it knowing full well that you're making it--and to know full well that Roddy has been playing him--is just inexcusable. If Jason doesn't do this, he DESERVES to lose the game!!

Mystery

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I totally agree, Bastable. I think Jason has taken the "turn the other cheek" advice a bit too much to heart.

Maris

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry is going to ask Jason to veto AMY not GERRY so that Gerry can go up against Roddy and let the house decide.

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Chiara's fatal error was hooking up with Roddy and then allowing him to guide her through the game from then on. She stopped playing the game for herself and allied with Svengali himself.

Theo17

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry should challenge roddy in that manner. Make it about his manhood. Say our final chess match. Man to Man. If he did I bet they could get either marcy, amy or jason to finally say enough and boot roddy

Mystery

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think you're right about Chiara, Meggie. It also seems to me that Lisa is concentrating more on the game since Eric left, too (although she was sick for part of the time while Eric was still in the house, so that might have accounted for her lack of concentration on the game).

Muse

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 11:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lori - Being too emotional. Everyone figured she wouldn't hold up well if she stayed in the house.
Tonya - The fight with Marcellas and Amy. If she had just been civil to Amy, she probably would've stayed.
Eric - The obvious alliance with Roddy. Oh, and being too wrapped up in his own clique. He didn't get to know Gerry, Marcellas, Danielle, or Jason that well.
Josh - Lacked self-control. He was too emotional and vindictive. And trying to be like Will (intentionally or not) obviously wouldn't work again.
Chiara - Voting against Lisa.
Gerry - I think being different (older, not interested in some of the things other HGs are) would've done Gerry in. But his veto speech and deal with Roddy didn't help matters.

What might do the other HGs in...
Roddy - Forming obvious alliances with people who were loose cannons (Josh and Chiara especially).
Jason - Nominating Gerry instead of Roddy.
Danielle - Overplaying the game when Amy was HOH.
Lisa - Only forming a strong bond/alliance with Danielle.
Marcellas - Obvious alliance with loose cannon Amy and forming an agreement with Roddy.
Amy - Loud, selfish behavior (especially when drunk). Not thinking strategically.