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Bidasea

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've lurked on many other boards out there, and I can tell you that this is one of the only boards that doesn't allow us to trash each other. The houseguests put themselves out there, and even refer to the internet 300 lb. geeks that they are playing to...Most of them are exibitionists..They say things in front of the camera that they must know will be taken apart, and judged by the viewers...We are totally free here to express opinions. Someone might post back and say they don't agree, but they won't make it a personal attack...

Bbwatcher

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Anyone notice that "Robhal" started the thread and then took off? I really think it was just someone wanting to get us riled up so he/she could come back later and make fun of our reactions. Just my opinion - of course. And, by the way, thinking back over my own past posts, I don't feel hypocritical at all.

Max

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, I noticed that, BBwatcher. Maybe he was just disappointed that the thread didn't turn into a forum for trashing TVCH. :)

Flyonthwall

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One word: Censorship

It's done on the show in editing.

It's done here to some extent in moderating.

It's the choice of each, CBS, and this site.

They own them, they make the choice what to let stand, or show.

Each person has a right to their opinion, each can say it, then it becomes the propertry of these boards. It's up to the owners rules of this site to determine what stands.

Personal censorship is wanting everyone to have the same opinion as yours.
Only problem is, in a forum like this you have no control over what others think.

If "one" is not happy with either censorship or lack thereof, then "one" would be best to try to start their own show or boards and run it the way they think.

Everyone has likes and dislikes and that will never change, unless we all morph into clones and all think exactly alike.

Now this is my opinion, and may sound bashing of others who don't feel like I do. So who is wrong or right? I don't have to listen to you and you don't have to listen to me.

One word: censorship
FLy

Jane_Bond

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What do the folks at Television Without Pity call it "the snark"? The act of critiquing the actions of others on TV (whether fictional, or quasi-fictional a la reality tv.)

Whether the tone of the critique is gossipy, cruel, gushy or whatever, the act of broadcasting leaves all players in the television program (from "actors" to producers to cameramen) open to this criticism. It's the nature of art: they make it and we comment on it. And, we are not beholden to anyone to comment nicely or otherwise.

I think that the snark is an art of it's own. Some are better at it than others, but basically it involves a combination of arm-chair psychology, art criticism, gossip and good old-fashioned wit. The snark is best and most entertaining when it rides the knife-edge between nasty and fair.

So, I really think that if the "negativity" experienced on this board should bother anyone, they probably are ill-equipped to deal with debates, true dialogues and the great war of the words. One would then be better served going to one of the many sites that offers Live Feed Summaries and news postings only.

While many of the folks here at TVCH make me want to wring an innocent neck, as do the Hamsters, I always remember that this snark is just sport.

Perhaps it's not a universally popular sport!

Stargazer

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Cyn---that's what BB is all about. It is a game but it's not like the Price Is Right. The whole point of the show is for the audience to have favorites, dislikes etc that's why they purposely pick out different types of people. It is not hypicritical to discuss how Chia acts or call her that chiwhora name as that is how she is being perceived by a lot of people. Soap operas have done this for years and people have called them names for years. It gets some of the stress out of me watching this game and talking about it. One good point of this game is you can tell your older daughters why NOT to act like Chia is. Good learning experiences actually. I found that I do a lot of what Amy is accused of doing, talking about myself in a group conversation so I've tried hard this past week not to do that anymore. If I don't want to hear all the bashing (which is what Shapiro wants) I'd go to a Disney board.

Eden

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
To try to restrain the emotions in the posts on this board would be as useless and boring as trying to restrain those of the HGs... The fact is we're all human here and this is the place we come to vent about as well as celebrate the houseguest while we exchange thoughts on strategy etc.

I've lurked here for several years and have enjoyed the posters' wit, insight and absolute love of this game. This isn't a think tank, it's a board for a reality gameshow! Frankly, sanctimonious posts such as the source of this thread make me more angry than bashers! I'd rather people feel something rather than pretend they feel nothing at all.

Ladytex

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe if we ignore this thread, it will go away ... LOL ....

Costacat

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I, for one, find it interesting that Robhal posted an inflammatory message and then disappeared into the woodwork. And, in fact, proceeded to do to us (the BB fans) what he claimed we were doing to the BB HGs.

Oregonfire

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, it's okay around here. I liked it better last year, frankly. I do appreciate having some place to go to talk about BB3, and the mods do a good job. I think so differently from many about the HGs that debating the foilibles of a particular HG has become an exercise in frustration and futility. I think I'd more likely be friends with the HGs this year than the people discussing them, and that has made me rather unhappy. The pretense of being an online community is pretty much a wash for me.

Jasons_First

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 08:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't feel bad Robhal (or shall I call you "friend of Chiara"?), they constantly bash the ONLY woman playing the game at this time, (Danielle) as well. It's not only Chiara. If you're a chick on BB, the whole board (male and female) hates you. No matter how well you play the game (Dani) or how well you don't know how to play the game (Chiara). Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you were a friend of Roddy's, you'd find a "Roddy lovefest" on here because most people name him as one of their favorites! Must be that superior white male-ism!!! LOL!

Twiggyish

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 09:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason, do you read the threads? I think the majority of us dislike Roddy. Second, don't lump everyone into one basket.
Judging by your name, I'd say you were a Jason fan, and you can safely say, most of us are, too.

Llkoolaid

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You won't find me in the Roddy love fest.

I also find it strange that when I went to check Robhals profile it was completely blank and it looks like he has left. That's just what I think we should do with the thread he started.

Costacat

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 09:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree llkoolaid! Let's DROP this thread, and archive it!

Squaredsc

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
robhal and jasonsfirst, i respectfully disagree with your statements.

Eden

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 09:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregonfire, since when does the word community have anything to do with everyone agreeing? You seem to be confusing community with friendship. To my mind, community is more about sharing a common interest and being able to civily disagee while still retaining respect and a sense of unity. This board is as much a community as anyplace online. I can see how it must be frustrating to like HGs that others don't but that's the nature of this beast...and actually the way of the world. You are rarely going to find concensus on anything. At least here, you get to have your say.

Oregonfire

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's true, Eden. But it still makes me unhappy, and I already live in a community--I guess I'd prefer friendship and agreeing more often. I don't debate every day of my life, and doing it here on a daily basis would make me tired and world weary.

Eden

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 09:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Then, Oregofire, the pretense of this online community lies more in your expectation than the place itself, I suppose. Cheer up, from what I've seen you seem to hold your own!

Rabbit

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Some of you may not realize it but there is a year around community here. Frankly, the people who post the most during the year are being very quiet at the beginning of Big Brother. I suspect that they are being good hosts and letting our new members and the people specifically interested in Big Brother express themselves first.

In the next few weeks the posts as to the character and personalities of the houseguests will decrease as there are only so many variations you can try to slip through on ho and ratbastard. The discussion will turn more towards strategies and plotting. The TVCH comedians/satirists and songwriters will come out of their hiding places and the whole board will lighten up a bit.

What is incredible to me is that we have a discussion area about a show that the producers have intentionally tried to make sleazier, meaner and more cutthroat each season and yet this board stays more civilized than TLC's board discussing a home improvement show! <Note: Our Trading Spaces discussion area is much more fun and troll free than TLCs imho.>

Oregonfire

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ho and ratbastard! LOL Rabbit! Thanks for cheering me up.

Wargod

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hehehehehehe, that's our funny hare!

Earthmother

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Rabbit!

Juju2bigdog

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Smoochies, Hare.

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ratbastard!? <picks self off of floor> Rabbit, you are showing your age with that one!! Now everyone is going to be calling people that name. What a priceless piece of history!

Hope life is treating you well Rabbit.

Spygirl

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay...I have to ask...I know that is a very familiar name, but I can't place from where it comes....anyone care to remind me?