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Zeyna

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason made a good choice today. Gerry has won the most comps to date, and the last thing Jason needs is Gerry getting the HOH in weeks to come. He would certainly be a target. This way Jason makes almost everyone happy, gets two strong players behind him, and no headaches with the nominees.

Firebird05

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And they will all vote for him in the end. I can't believe it but they will, unless time away from him has allowed them to get thier brains back ,but I doubt it. He has all the evictees votes up till now no matter how instramental he was in getting them evicted.

They have no one to blame but themselves they had every chance to get him they didn't.

Cameltoes

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know C1. I still don't think Marcellas would go back to her. It would be him, Jason and Roddy vs. Gerry, Danielle and Lisa. She needs the veto. Saving Gerry would allow her to cut a safe deal with him where he agrees to not nominate either her or Lisa. That would be the only way to get Lisa on board as she has no love lost for Gerry.

Eden

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess Jason figured if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. It makes sense. It's probably the most winning strategy for Jason to choose. Danielle did blow it twice. She just doesn't have the wherewithall to go in for the kill when her prey is in her sight.

I can't say I like what's happened. Where is the fun going to be watching Roddy cake walk to the final two? I can appreciate his excellent game playing but I just can't make myself like him as a person. So, I can't really root for him or find fun in his success. All that's left is this sick feeling I get watching this guy work the crowd. Roddy should forget writing and turn to politics.

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
they are so screwed. he stabs josh and kiki in their hearts and they both leave saying what a great man he is and he doesnt deserve to go. LOL I cant believe with his con man skills he isnt more successful in life. He could sell ice to an eskimo and then ask for a bonus a year later

C1mag

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well there is always the hope that as a smaller group they will all come together and realize they don't have to play his twist on "integrity" It really is up to them. I'm watching them painting their trolls right now and sure enough the one person not doing this is the one person who just doesn't fit into the equation but seems to be walking right into the winners circle. At some point there has to be a revolt. It can't be this easy to win this contest. Even Will didn't think he had a chance. It was the moment that Nicoles hand slipped off that key that he got a chance at some money. Up until then he was always just the patsy to get Hardy and Nicole to the final 2. We shall see.

C1mag

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wouldn't ya love to know what Dani is thinking right now? I can here it... "Jason really is a true blue P#ssy" Lmao!

And can't ya hear Jason: " She messed up! Acted like she was on crack last week! I'm takin this thing to the mat and it aint with her! They'll boot her before me!... Jesus loves me this I know for the bible tells me so. So are these feelings for Roddy homoerotic or are they normal?" :)

I still give the kid credit for playing the game. It's a shame Dani didn't play the game better.

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
kudos to lisa. she said first thing this monring that jason didnt have the balls to nominate roddy. she was right

Cameltoes

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
By this point last year, I knew Will would win. I think he absolutely knew he would win. No matter how much he said that he had no chance of winning, he knew he was playing with a bunch of suckers. Sometimes you just see the writing on the wall.

Danielle seems to have backed off so far today. Maybe she has realized that overplaying it has been her downfall. She'll probably just take it day to day, see if she wins POV and take it from there. I have to think that when they decided not to keep Roddy that she realized this was a possibility. She didn't think it would be Jason doing it but she had to know.

Kappy

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, you all make great points and I'm beginning to understand WHY Gerry. However, I can't help but feel that instead of listening to Dani and doing her bidding, Jason is now listening to Big Rod and doing his bidding. All because of that "I forgive you, Jason" BS. As people said on another thread yesterday, as much as I can't stand the way Big Rod is manipulating these people emotionally, as long as they're letting him, they deserve to lose to him in the end. I agree with Kminfinity that Jason cannot beat Big Rod in the F2.

As for Danielle, I have loved watching her play the game until this past week when she just let it get away from her and started to lose it emotionally. Now, she is just another Nicole and that is too bad. BUT ~ maybe she will begin to play her OWN game as well. She could always win the POV and save Gerry just to let Jason know that two can play. Then his choices of who to put up in Gerry's place would be between Marc, Lisa, AND Roddy. Just a pipe dream but oh well.

Meggieprice

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think if Jason is smart he will pow wow with Roddy before POV and say "OK- I'm yours-what next?" because he claimed to Dani that if everything is not on the up and up he will veto and nominate Roddy. He needs to investigate where Roddy is heading, and Dani needs to trap Roddy into showing his hand somehow. Sigh. Not looking too likely from here.

My doctor will be glad- somehow after this news , which was deeply disappointing to me, I am calm for the first time in days-resigned to the inevitable. Maybe the nerve inflammation I am bedridden with will finally start healing!

Bomom

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If this guy (Roddy) goes into politics, lets hope they make him the U.S. Ambassador to Iraq!

Theo17

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
you know several people have said danni is in trouble for over playing her hand . while that is true from one point of view the real truth is she is in trouble because she underplayed her hand. she was so worried about the last vote that she let 3 prime chances to get roddy just disappear. last week all she had to do was say roddy and lisa and jason would have sent him packing. end of story. I bet she feels stupid now.

Maris

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFLMAO Bomom, That is exactly where he should be. Saddam will be leading him right down into his tunnels where all his chemical are. Quick, start a petition for the white house.

Cameltoes

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I say she overplayed at the point that she made it too obvious she wanted Roddy out. One conversation with Marcellas when he said he wanted Chiara and Gerry out first should have been enough to make her back off. At that point, how much she wanted Roddy out should only have been further spoken to two people - Jason and Lisa. I do believe Amy would have nominated Roddy and Chiara (and not Jason) even after their HOH conversation. Marcellas is the one who told her that Roddy would protect Chiara (and at this point he was not so much on the evicting Roddy train). No promises to Amy. Roddy would have been out. Once Lisa was lined up and Marcellas made it clear he wasn't really on the same page, she needed to play it cool. Instead she tried to force people to her way of thinking. There are times when she has underplayed it but usually because of messes created by overplaying it.

Ptomaine

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani has now put Jason in jeopardy twice.

#1. Jason votes out Eric. Dani said that Jason shouldn't tell Roddy. Jason thought otherwise, but relented and conceded. Had Chiara decided to play it straight, Jason would have gone that week. It was due to this vote that Dani has reaped her rewards (Josh, Chiara out), Lisa as a new ally.

#2. Opposite. That was very dangerous. It clearly exposed their alliance to Amy and Marcellus. Additionally, it was decided in such a short time span. (I didn't think Amy could manage to sway anyone on the vote, but it happened).

Had Jason informed Roddy of his intention on vote out Eric in place of Lisa, Jason would be in the same position as now... in an alliance with Roddy.

His relationship with Dani is an alliance, not a sacrifice. Jason wants to stay in the game. He has to eliminate his 2 immediate threats: Gerry and Roddy. Roddy has given his word to Jason and not just an empty implication of "me and you at the end".

Jason not better with Dani's group. Because Dani stands twice the chance of being in the final 2. With Lisa-Dani-Jason, Dani will be in the final. With Marci-Dani-Jason, by Marci's statement to Jason, Dani is in the final.

If the final 3 are Roddy-Jason-X. No one thinks they can win with Roddy, and would have a harder time chosing between Roddy and Jason to take to the final.

Jason has given Roddy an opportunity to hang himself. It is clear that the house is against Roddy... that is more than 6 votes already for Jason.

It was disappointing to have Roddy still in the game, but it was the smarter move. Too bad the intense 1+ combat will be edited for TV. Looking forward for the flashbacks to see how many lies Roddy was caught in.

Jaysgal

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 10:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, now I am starting to wonder. When Jason spoke to Danielle shortly after speaking to Roddy, Danielle said that if she was the HOH she would put up Roddy and Amy. And then Jason pointed out that she had a deal, so she couldn't put him up. And then she said that she would put up Amy and Gerry.

I am starting to hope that Jason's choice was not simply because those were the persons Danielle said that she would put up. :/ She didn't emphasise this choice as much as she did Roddy and Gerry. However, it is a scary thought now that Danielle may still have a lot of power over Jason. :Q That would explain why she isn't tempered about Jason's choice. It was no surprise, it seems.

Jasonfan

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal,
I think D wanted J to nominate R b/c she kept reminding him that she couldn't. I think even D underestimated J's intelligence in this game.

Maybe I'm just trying to reassure myself J did the right thing, but assuming G goes, J has removed a threat, distanced himself from the D/J alliance and still left R as a potential target for next week (if D, L or M gets HOH), thus keeping himself in another week. With R out, the D/J alliance might have seemed too powerful.

From reading the LFPs, I think J handled himself well with R. I don't think he let himself be manipulated; in fact, I think (hope!!!) he beat R at his own game. R may now think J isn't a threat, a fact he was starting to doubt before.

I hope this works for J!

Tracy

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What exactly did Roddy promise Jason? And, did Jason reciprocate?

Jasonfan

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 11:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Basically, R just told J he wouldn't nominate him if he got HOH (which I don't think he'll even attempt to get b/c of all of his deals).

J did not reciprocate. This is why I think he may have beaten R at his own game; R asked J : do you believe that I trust you? J said yes. He did NOT say, "I trust you."

I'm not convinced this was the best move by J (the noms) but I think it was made from strategy, not b/c he bought into R's words. He was thinking G/A from the start.

Wendo

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 04:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, *grumble, grumble* Yeah, ok, see your points. *grumble, grumble* But I don't have to like it. Do I? :)

I'm still just disappointed that the one alliance that seemed strong has cracked. I remember feeling so excited at seeing it, that two people were working to help each other where it seemed like they had little chance.

I still think Roddy will win this game. AND, I still think Roddy has no intention of going to the finals with Jason.

I look at it this way. Jason made a good, short term strategy for himself - putting up Gerry who he sees as a threat. But, I don't know if it was a good long term one. We'll see I guess.

I'm still sad. But I'm not as upset as I was today. Would rather not see Roddy win, but I do see the (likely) writing on the wall. As I've said all along, if he gets to the end, he does deserve the win. (Just won't like it. Heh.)

As far as Dani, I do think she's down and bloddy. But, the counts not out on her yet. Perhaps she gets HOH next week, talks to Roddy about getting a deal, he says, "You and me to the end", she goes to Jason about it and he says, "Well, then I guess you don't have to honor that not nomination thing, eh?" Hey, a gal can still dream, right?

(OT - I left the house after the noms. Had to get away and decompress. Went to the Apple Store for Jaguar release and bought it with a new iPod to sooth my soul. So, I do feel better than earlier. Much to involved in this game recently. If anything, I don't feel so focused on Roddy and will just watch as things unfold.)

Willkirby

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm totally with you, Wendo, about loving the alliance between Jason and Dani. But after picking myself up the floor from Jason's noms, I've been rethinking it. Is an alliance the same thing as letting one person boss you around and tell you whom to vote and not to vote for? The "opposite" disaster was really the end of the line on that score. If it's really an alliance, Dani should let Jason work his own strategy and hope that he still has her best interests ultimately at heart -- and would never either nom her or sell her out even if he doesn't nom the same people she would if she were (read: had the guts to be) HOH.

Wiseolowl

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 05:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Iwonder if Jason was really that much swayed by Roddy. I think he knew what he wanted to do from the getgo. This consultation business was only done to get information and to keep up his appearance of fairness and respect for everybody. Gerry's ambiguity in his meeting confirmed that he was a threat and Jason got what he wanted from Roddy. Why did he wait to interview Roddy last when he knew it would be the svengali routine? After that meeting why did he not have one last private meeting with Dani to balance out the argument? Believe it's because he already had it planned out.

Csnog

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 06:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If any of you think that Dannie and or Roddy want Jason to go to the final 2 with them I have a bridge to sell you.

They will dump him like a hot potatoe in 4th place.

Neither would get the votes from the jury with Jason there and they know it.

Grannygrunt

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 06:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wish I did understand but since I don't

granny w sign

Johnnydollar

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I understand the strategy, even if I don't think it's the best one. But if it's OK to let Roddy skate for another week, J had a better option that nobody seems to have seriously considered. He could have gone back to the basic principle of "break up the couples". Put up Amy and Marcellus.

Beserkknight2

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Right, JohhnyDollar, he should have nom'd Amy
and Marcellus to get M out - he's a bigger
threat than Gerry...and the couple thing is
a good reason (excuse.) BTW, I loved how
Roddy played Jason...what a con job!

Grannygrunt

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Remember yesterday when Roddy and Jason were talking and all of a sudden we got the FOTH and I was just fuming because I thought it was so ill timed. Now I wonder what WAS said during that time. CBS just doesn't want us to know EVERYTHING so therefore during a crucial moment we get FOTH. Maybe the key to Jason's noms was made during that time of convo. Hey I'm reaching for straws........anything that would help me understand why Jason at first felt the urgency to get rid of Roddy and then after the talk didn't. The only one of them I can think of that cannot nom Roddy is Lisa. And there could be a deal there that was made whilest we were otherwise entertained with some other convo. I just knew Jason getting HOH was the only thing that saved the screw-ups from last week and then he backs down, too. More than I can bear. I just hope Jason has some thoughts that right now he is choosing not to share that would make all of this make sense.

Allietex

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Dani will save Gerry because I think she, like Marcy is afraid of him. They both know they have said some really bad things about him so they both think he is out to get them. They probably think he knows about the things they have said and they know they would hate anyone who did them that way so they just can't believe he would not be the same way. Dani has said several times that Gerry had to go. Marcy said he knew Gerry was constantly out there making deals when in fact Gerry has sought out no deals. People come to him. He probably has made less than anyone in the house and has never targeted Dani or Marcy but their guily conconsciences will keep them from the wise thing of getting him as an ally. He has been there ripe for the picking the whole game and everyone has just ignored him.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jason has a great strategy. Probably even better than Dani's.

He choose Gerry because Gerry has no obligations to Jayson. Roddy swore up and down he does. If Roddy breaks his word, then that makes Roddy that much 'dirtier' in everyone else's mind. Roddy is also not likely to be able to get Jason out at this point. Jason has too many allies. More than anyone else.

Roddy is Dani's 'satan', not Jason's. If Roddy stays in the game it won't hurt Jason, it will hurt Dani at worst.

Onlymytulips

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Reasons why Amy should leave this week
1)she left already.
2)her little week of ICanBEHeadOfHousehold visit is over now.
3)she is the last one that Roddy can manipulate in being his pansy.
4)When she is gone Roddy will show his true self and then the others will have REASONS galore as why he should leave.
5)this BB3 has no room for partygirls.

Therefore, I think that Jason did well with his choices.
1)Someone had to put Gerry in CHECKMATE!
2)Amy has to go.
3)Jason needed to show Danielle that he had his own mind.
4)Jason needed to show the others that Dani did not have complete control over him.
5)had to keep someone for backup in case of POV(Marcellas)

Blinky

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 08:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry if this has already been posted ...I have been having trouble with some of the links on the board the last couple of days and been unable to read all of the posts.
Before he entered the house Jason said his strategy was to aline with the two key players, which are obviously Dani and Roddy. He will now elimate who is feels is his biggest personal threat (Gerry). The house will have no second thoughts about evicting Gerry and therefore causes no hard feelings with anyone. He feels relatively safe with the rest of the house not voting him off if he is nominated cause they, unlike Gerry don't see him as a threat also Roddy and Dani will watch his back. I feel he wants to go to the end (the last three) with both Danille and Roddy thinking they will pick each other off,since both have promised not to nominate him. He will be alined with both without promising either of them anything. He will be honest in saying he wants to be at the end with them no matter which one he is talking to at the time. (If Roddy or Dani decide at any point to go after him or they get evited he will still have the other one to watch over him.) But he also realizes he will need to win the last HOH to ensure his victory, but if not he will have to count on Roddy's and Dani's word not nominate him. Maybe he thinks this is the only way he can win and it's worth the risk.