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Sanfranjoshfan

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63 - ".and Atheism can't be held up as a standard for free thinking because it's not an original idea."

I TRULY did not mean to imply that atheism is the standard by which to measure "free thinking" as a whole. I think this has all gotten off the track....WAY off.

I was speaking in terms of the topic of this thread. The thread topic is that Roddy is an atheist and is playing the game. I said that he went against the grain by announcing his atheism, seeing as how he is the only non-believer in there. I see that as being a "free thinker". I also admire him because he does not simply acquiesce to the group consciousness and sit around talking about fashion, Gilligan's Island and sex. In that respect, too, he is a free thinker that is going against the "herd mentality" in that house. (I am starting to think that particular term was the hot button that got this so outta whack)

See what I am saying? I am talking WITHIN the context of the topic of this thread: Roddy/atheism/BB house

To illustrate, let me say that Jason, the big old CHRISTIAN is ALSO going against the herd mentality of that house....in a different context. He's a virgin and does not like to sit around talking about sex, so he doesn't, even when he is ridiculed for it....and also, he is not lying about his virginity in order to fit into the "groupthink", or to keep from being made fun of. In that context, he is a free thinker and he is choosing to not run with the herd mentality (of the BB house).....but this thread is about Roddy and atheism.

Doesn't anyone understand me?

I know I have not helped because I tend to respond to stuff that is way off track (because it makes me crazy not to! LOL) but the point I have tried to make is that I admire Roddy's ability to stand up and be unpopular in the BB house as it pertains to his atheism. That's being a free thinker and that is "going against the grain", avoiding the "herd mentality", whatever... which is within the context of this thread's topic.

Sanfranjoshfan

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 08:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<whew> I think I need a drink.

:-)

Romans8_1

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 08:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Snee: I believe my reality is the right one, but my belief does not make it so. I am operating under the assumption that I am correctly interpreting what reality is. I am humble enough to say that I may be wrong. I have looked at the evidence and tried to logically look at all sides. "All roads lead to Rome" to borrow a phrase.

On the point of Christianity, I have yet to find anyone who can successfully attack it. (STOP!! I am not looking for an arguement here. If anyone is truly interesting in discussing this in a logical open minded manner feel free to email me at kasputis@attbi.com) I have tried to tear it apart and cannot.

My point is that some do not want to admit that reality is a constant single thing. That road leads to insanity because you have nothing to base reality on.

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL SanFran I'm sorry I got you off on a tangent and questioning your ability to make others understand.

Actually I do understand and now that you have narrowed the parameters even further I'll even agree with you.

The problem I'm having, and I'm sure I"m not unique, is that I dislike Roddy so intensely I have a hard time as seeing him as anything other than how *I* have defined both him and his behavior.

But okay...he doesn't go along for the sake of going along. He's still a pompous pontificating blowhard. And he totally rubs me the wrong way!

Sanfranjoshfan

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv - thanks for understanding that I can sometimes get off track and pontificate and carry on myself. Hmmmm, maybe that's why I like Roddy....we are BOTH blowhards! :-)

This year's game is really fun for me. I am so enthralled in all the house politics, the board politics, etc....but the only true vested interest I have in the game's final outcome is that I don't want to see either Josh or Chia in the final 2. I have some "like" for each of the other Hgs in one way or another, for one reason or another. I keep thinking that I like Roddy and want to see him stay, and then I start thinking about the look on his handsome, pompous face if he is evicted! I just can't decide which would be better! LOL

Snee

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 09:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
okay, i have been spit up by the off-topic eddy! yay! (although i must admit that i did kind of enjoy the discourse.) i understand what you are saying, sanfran, and i agree with you. roddy and jason are both going against the grain in different ways. i'd bet others are against the grain as well, but want to stay in that hot button (!) herd.

roddy's atheism is neither here nor there with me. i marvel at his manipulation (some days it seems like he is reading 'the prince' rather than the bible!) and then i consider than some of his key allies have been evicted. then there's josh who was useful for roddy, but 'his girl' ruined that quite effectively. i would LOVE to see his face if he is evicted on thursday, but i'm torn as well; i want him to carry on so i can see if he is really machiavellian or weakly manipulative and can't manage things later on. ooh, i can hardly wait until thursday!

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 09:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Snee: "I'd bet others are against the grain as well, but want to stay in that hot button (!) herd"

I'll go there. :) Marc is going against the herd by being openly gay. Jason is going against the grain by being a virgin. Chiara is even going against the grain with her outrageous behavior. Of course, she began this when Tonya was there to serve as her "partner in crime" but has continued even in the face of the groups' obvious discomfort.

Roddy though I think has a different reason for going against the grain. I think it's because he is a controlling personality. He doens't "go along" he makes the others "go along" and when they can't or won't, i.e. discussing the transmigration of the african antelope during the high soltice, he pouts and/or pontificates.

Snee

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 10:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
wcv: '...i.e. discussing the transmigration of the african antelope during the high soltice, he pouts and/or pontificates.'

ahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah!

Kearie

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Roddy is being so wonderful by standing up for being an Aetheist and Jason is just admitting to following the norm of Christianity...Why did we attack Jason first on these boards? (The Christian Jason thread)

Apparently we on the board are more against Christianity than we are Aetheism. We judge Christians, as evidenced by the board topics, more.

I tend to assume that this baord is, to a degree, a sample of society as a whole.

In this light....who is the brave soul who is standing up for his beliefs.....???

I've also never heard of people being killed for their "non-belief" in a god.

Sanfranjoshfan

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Why did we attack Jason first on these boards? (The Christian Jason thread) "

Maybe you should take that up in the Christian Jason thread.

"Apparently we on the board are more against Christianity than we are Aetheism."

Using the word "we" refers to oneself and others. You say you(and others) are against Christianity? This would only be true if you believe that you are part of what you perceive as the board's "herd mentality". :-) But then again, I am not "against" Christianity any more than I am "against" Santa Claus (I simply do not believe), so your use of the word "we" does not include me (and many others, too, I imagine). I choose to think individually rather than collectively.

"I've also never heard of people being killed for their "non-belief" in a god."

You never heard of the Crusades?

"In this light....who is the brave soul who is standing up for his beliefs.....???"

Well, Jason is the brave "soul" who is standing up for his beliefs in virginity , as opposed to the rest of the HG, who do not believe in virginity. Roddy is the brave "man" for standing up for his belief in atheism. Remember - he's an atheist" so he doesn't have a soul! LOL

And that's the bottom line...the topic of this thread is "Atheist Roddy Paying the game", and nobody said that it makes Roddy better than Jason.

Bigd

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
why is Roddy reading the Bible?

Sanfranjoshfan

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bigd - most likley boredom or as historical literature...that was all brought up at the beginning of this thread.

Twiggyish

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
San, might I add, I think you're the bestest! I am enjoying this enlightening thread..

On the subject of the crusades..
People of the Muslim faith, have a belief in Allah. They would not be considered nonbelievers.

Back to Roddy, don't you think he is almost trying to convert the others to his way of thinking? Converting people to a belief, reminds me of something....

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 09:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe SanFran was referring to the Christian Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition.

I've been enjoying this thread as well.

Sanfranjoshfan

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 09:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"On the subject of the crusades..
People of the Muslim faith, have a belief in Allah. They would not be considered nonbelievers. "

Okay, I'll give you that. But nonbelievers are being persecuted....there are gay men in Egypt right now for "flouting religion" or some term similar (can't remember the exact charge this minute).

That response I made about the Crusades was in reference to another poster who was talking about killing non believers.....what does that have to do with this topic or any of the HG? :-)

"Back to Roddy, don't you think he is almost trying to convert the others to his way of thinking? Converting people to a belief, reminds me of something...."

I don't think so. I think Roddy was simply explaining why he believes wwhy he does. As I have learned in these threads....some folks just don't like to hear why some people don't believe. And btw, *I* am not trying to convert anyone either.....I'm just stating my points of view and why.

:-)

Twiggyish

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yup, so was I.

LOL on the converting.

I am learning from you San.

It's terrible about those men in Egypt.

Twiggyish

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did Roddy volunteer his Atheist view, or did someone ask about his religious affiliation? Just curious.

Roddy does like to dazzle people with his large brain full of knowledge.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 09:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He volunteered his views around the same time he began talking about Christianity stunting the growth of technology through the ages.

Somewhere around the beginning of the 2nd week in the house I think. Not long after the feeds were opened.

I didn't totally disagree with his viewpoints on that topic and actually thought I was going to like him as he seemed to be very intelligent. This was before the sound of his voice started making me grind my teeth and before he started letting his low opinion of women be known.

If Roddy had said some of the same things about homosexuals that he said about women, I bet SanFran wouldn't be liking him so much. :)

Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh no you di'ent, girlfriend!

Wigglepuppy

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In defense of Roddy (yuck, I typed that!), the topic was out there, with the bibles in the house.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregonfire...it was shortlived...I came to my senses very quickly!

I know you were very offended about his John Edward bashing and we had a very civilized discussion regarding our different viewpoints.

And since then I think we have agreed more often than not!

Twiggyish

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked him, too. After hearing him talk to Chiara about his rules for relationships, I was disgusted.

Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63, just over that last sentence, more of an "oh boy--what is Sanfran going to say to that?" than an "I disagree." Not looking for trouble at all...maybe just smelling it coming.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ahhh.....I see. Actually I was looking for trouble by including that last sentence.

Kearie

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran--You picked my post apart almost a word at a time.

"Using the word "we" refers to oneself and others. You say you(and others) are against Christianity? This would only be true if you believe that you are part of what you perceive as the board's "herd mentality". :-) But then again, I am not "against" Christianity any more than I am "against" Santa Claus (I simply do not believe), so your use of the word "we" does not include me (and many others, too, I imagine). I choose to think individually rather than collectively."

I was speaking in general terms about posters at TVCH, which you are a part of, and how people on this board...which you are a part of...first criticized Jason for his Christian beliefs.

Your talking semantics. I'm wondering why the posters of this board first questioned Jason's religious beliefs...which you said is the more accepted belief of the country. (Assuming that the board is reflective of our society's beliefs)