The new alliance: Amy, Chiara, and Marcellas
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Chelle

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy has said that she hopes she doesn't have a reason to cry on Thursday. She trusts that the Dani brigade will vote Chiara out. If Roddy goes, there are going to be two unhappy women who might just work together to take down the MOST dangerous person in the house: Dani. I believe that Marcellas would stick by Amy, and deep down I think that he still loves the Chiara from the first few weeks who was on his side. I would love to see the three of them take down the SCANDALOUS Danielle. I won't get into her evil ways in this thread.

Battlestar

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That would be a hoot---but won't happen. Chiara is beholden to Danielle unless Roddy can make her see otherwise

Crazydog

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would like to see it as well. But Amy and Chiara despise each other. I'm hoping that Marc will be able to mediate and convince the two of them that they can best survive in the game by joining together. With or without Gerry, they could take down Danielle. After Thursday they will see how they have been played by her.

Ministryoftruth

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara will never work with Amy. Chiara is a little rich girl who doesn't need the $$$. When/if Roddy goes, she won't want to play anymore.

Justshirley

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You DO realize that you're talking about the three most emotional, petty people in the house, right? No way these three put aside their differences. No way, no how. They are ruled by their emotions, not their intellect.

Eden

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't see Amy and Chiara teaming up, even with Marcellas as mediator, both are too vindictive and could never trust one another.

Chelle

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't say that it would happen, but oh how much fun the game would be.

Bailey

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chelle, I would love it too. I'm trying to figure out if there's a way for them to get Dani out of the house.. but at this point I think it's a lost cause.
If nothing else comes of this, I guarantee you next year when somebody says "I give you my word".. it'll mean squat. And we can thank Dani for that.

Chelle

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that she is worse than Josh. I wonder if the others will talk to her outside the house when they realize the way she manipulated them.

Wendo

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 12:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
While I think this scenario would be interesting, I don't see it happening for the simple fact that Amy can not stand Chiara. Why just now with Mar in HOH she reiterated these feelings. Nope, won't happen. Too many bad feelings.

Dfwteddy

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 01:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chelle -- I don't really think Dani's gameplaying to date has been manipulation. She pointed out to Amy that unless Roddy was nominated, he could win POV and get Chiara out of the nominations. Talking, advising, and even cajoling about the nominations perhaps. But Amy and the others have always had their own free will to do what they wanted and has been part of her problem -- she couldn't move them to do what she wanted. Amy, in fact, has said all along that these nominations would be her choice only. In fact, I think Dani's words to Amy regarding the nominations were, "do what's in your heart." (Of course, Dani knew that Amy original agenda coming back into the house was to nominate Roddy and Chiara.)

I do think that Roddy is manipulative, however, because he preys on the weaknesses of other people's emotions. I haven't seen Dani play on anyone's emotions or "threaten" them in the same manner (e.g., if you don't want to be nominated...) Roddy also plays up his sexual chemistry with others -- the way he looks at them, compliments their appearance, touches/hugs them. Chiara and Marcellas were definitely taken with his charm; Eric, Josh and Jason in a way were charmed by him; and Roddy was certainly making an unbelievable play for Amy's non-nomination on Friday evening/Saturday morning.

**Maybe because I like Dani and do not like Roddy that I'm looking at their behaviors in such different lights. JMO**

What555456

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Let us assume an Amy, Chiara and Marcellus alliance.

Just how long would these people last? Which ones have the brains to strategize, much less the brains to keep their mouths shut?

If they were to do this, they are doomed, but then -- they are doomed anyway. Each of these will go only as far as the strong players need them and then they will be gone.

Sassylady

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It is very possible and the fall-out should be very interesting. Amy's unfinished business in the house was to spend time with Roddy w/o Chiari. Chiari wants to be the only women in the house. Chiari is ready to go if not for Roddy.

Amy has said many times leaving is not hard--like Gerry the post-game fame is what interest them the most. Marc:Well he just wants to be in a soap opera where he is the main character. With the exception of maybe Gerry wanting the additional fame of being the winner--non of them really give a flip about winning.

Throw all of the above into a pot and you will have one interesting side-show. And just maybe with their idol gone they just might pull together. Doubt it but they just might. Either way, we are in for an interesting 2 weeks :0)

Jaysgal

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa and Jason are not strong players.

Lisa is as dumb as a rock for having no common sense. If she had common sense, her target would be Gerry who put her in such jeopardy in the first place. And then she would know not to trust Danielle because Gerry seems to have something going on with Danielle. If Danielle really cared about Lisa, would she not chase after the person who broke up Lisa's supposed lover?

In a nut shell, I cannot fault Danielle. I can only fault Lisa for her stupidity. She regurgitates whatever Danielle says and gets lectures from Danielle. Can someone say that's a little girl trapped in an adult body. Danielle is her barbie doll that she imitates. Gosh! Lisa and Chiara would make best friends for lacking in common sense.

That aside, again, Jason and Lisa seem to be weak people. The only person I'll come closest to saying is strong in that group is Danielle. And strong in gossipping. She's an expert gossip. It seems to me that many people there haven't learned the troubles of believing a gossip. I never trust gossips. If I were in that house, Danielle would have been the second person I wanted out. I sense gossips when I see them. Her behaviour with talking behind Gerry's back would have made me target her from the start. Again, it seems to me that a lot of people admire gossips and befriend them. It just isn't my style. If I had to choose between Roddy and Danielle (both of whom I do not like), I would pick Roddy. At least we have someone to blame for choosing to buy into psychological games.

I say that Danielle will not succeed. No way!

Keiffer

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing is that if DAnny's plan to get out Roddy works she has finally shown something to the other HG's. Her new alliance being the only three votes for Chiara will stand out huge. She keeps saying she wants it 3-2 for some reason... she should recognize that the two that voted the way Amy wants will be fast in telling her. Especially because I expect a pretty good cry from Amy Thursday.

Lisa has been completly snowed by Danny. Her payback should have been Gerry, and Chiara, and Danny has her convinced that Roddy is the one that should go? If Lisa could get five minutes with no emotion her best play expecially after getting a front seat to the Danny show for two weeks would be to team up with Roddy and try to make a move. Now she is going to be exposed as a liar, the same thing that made her upset with Chiara in the first place.

As to an alliance that can stop Danny it is going to be very tough. Lisa, Jason, Gerry, and Marcy all think that they are in the Danny alliance. After the vote this week you will have Gerry, Marcy, Chiara, and Amy who were not part of the alliance, and maybe they will smarten up... probably not. This game is about to get very very boring with Danny doing a victory lap for the remaining weeks.

As for Amy and Chiara hating each other, I think that a day feels like a week to these people, and that is a long time to mend fences. In fact Amy said last night if Chiara were the woman with her that she was Amy's last week and yesterday she likes her.

Jan

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
keiffer I think Lisa is doing pretty well for herself. She is guaranteed final 3 if this alliance wins out..and at that point it is all a matter of getting HOH.

Had she aligned herself with Roddy..well then she would be in trouble.She would be final 4 at best as Eric would be back.

Keiffer

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jan, Eric never had a chance in heII of walking back in the house. The way the producers set up the game made sure of that. Three people that voted against him, and the person that nomminated him would never have voted him back... that makes a garunteed 4 out of 7 votes against no matter who he was up against.

Lisa can not win against either Danny or Jason. If she gets into the finals with either of them she will lose. Also she has to win HoH that last week to make it the finals otherwise she is 3rd. If she had teamed up with Roddy this week will kicking Chiara out I am sure she could have set up thing with him like Jason and Danny have. That gives her a 2-3 chance in the last week if it her ROddy and a random person in the final three of making it to the final two.

Stingerman

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am sure this is why Danni is being so nice to Chiara. She wants Roddy to go and then I think she wants to go after Amy and Marci. The big problem for Danni is going to be votes at the end though. She will have made so many people mad at her that no one is going to want to vote for her. Even if Gerry was the last one there i'm sure poeple would vote for him rather than let Danni have the money.

People keep saying Danni is playing a good game. Well I don't think she's playing a good game, and I don't think she has a hope in hell of winning it unless she keeps the promises that she makes.

You would also think that she must know that having Jason at the end with her would be the biggest mistake. I mean everyone is going to vote for Jason over her.

If she votes out Roddy this round she can kiss the money goodbye!!!!

Jaysgal

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, Jan, I am not sure about that. She is only coming third if she didn't know of Danielle's deal with Marcellas and somewhat with Gerry.

If Lisa was smart, she would pair up with Roddy and feed him with information (i.e., act as a double agent). She isn't even thinking for herself.

And even if she doesn't do that, she would know better than pairing with Danielle. She should think, Chiara will have one more chance to put her up if Danielle's plans go well. And what if Chaira puts her up (not that Chiara is that smart to know to do that)? Chiara would have no obligations as a friend any longer, since Lisa has avenged. Or maybe Chiara is so stupid that she would feel guilty thinking that Lisa saved her behind because she perceived Chiara as a great friend.

I am still optimistic that everything will get fixed to the detriment of Danielle.

Is the POV competition today? Chiara seems good with winning when she's determined to. It would be great if she is determined to win the competition and does win it and uses it. Oh my God, it will be a no retreat no surrender with Roddy. LOL! The guy I detested will do the job, hopefully. I'm sure Chiara wouldn't have to worry about the financial part. Roddy doesn't seem money crazy.

Sassylady

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am sure that being stabbed in the back by a friend was more hurtful to Lisa than Gerry at this point. I also think Gerry was the only one who nominated with strategy instead of emotion. Yikes! Twice today I said nice things about Gerry.

Keiffer you have to admit most noms have been emotion noms in lieu of strategic. Maybe, and this is a stretch I know, but maybe Lisa realized that Gerry's nom was not personal but strategic. Wheras, what Chiari did was personal.
( Forgive my rambles, I am just bored and throwing out some thoughts)

Jaysgal

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sassylady, how was that being stabbed by a friend?

The only bad Chiara did was speak negatively of Lisa. Choosing strategically to save Lisa's supposed lover was not backstabbing.

Or was Lisa lying when she said she understood the predicament that Chiara and Roddy were in having to decide between two friends? Yep, she lied. She didn't after all care that much about Eric. All of the talk about not campaigning behind Eric was crap since she assumed that she already had it all in her favour (i.e., the supposed girl power that was going on).

Keiffer

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am so sick of this Chiara owed Lisa her vote talk. There was never a solid alliance made between the women because two fo them were going to be loyal to their men before Danny. Danny was going to be loyal to jason before the other women. So can we stop with girl alliance talk, it never existed.

The thing that Chiara screwed up was not coming to Lisa that night before she went to bed and explain to her that they thought it was R/J/and JA already voting to evict her, and that in this game the smart thing to do is to vote for the person that is leaving. Then Danny's big news event would have been no bigg deal and not been able to get Lisa all going.

Just looking at the math Lisa would have had a better shot in the final 3 with Roddy and a random other HG than she will with Danny and Jason. Also Sasssy Lisa does still feel guilty about her vote for Amy to come back, and I am betting that if she gets the chance Gerry is going up, if for no other reason she can save some face with Eric. I think she might actually really like him, and would like to do something nice for him.

Sia

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal posted above, "I can't fault Dani; Lisa's at fault for being stupid. She regurgitates whatever Dani says to her in her lectures...that's a little girl trapped in an adult body." (pp)

I love it, Jaysgal! You have it absolutely! Didn't Lisa look ridiculous for mimicking Danielle EXACTLY the other night on the TV broadcast when she (Lisa) rushed out to the living room to confront Josh. She even used the exact same hand-motions that Dani had when they were discussing things privately in a bedroom. Lisa said to Josh, "I keep my mouth shut" (motioning a duck's bill closing, back of hand against lips) "and my eyes open" (hand moving to brow and making exaggerated opening gesture). Whoever edited that night's show made me laugh with this little juxtaposition of scenes.

The only point I differ with you on, Jaysgal, is that Lisa is a little girl trapped in a Barbie doll's body!

Sassylady

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal: In Lisa's eyes Chiari stabbed her in the back was my point.

Chelle

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer, you and I seem to have teh same attitude. You definitely speak my thoughts.

Sassylady

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer: I think Lisa has true feelings for Eric and even though Eric said on the first show (soundbite after being kidnapped) that he would even hook up with someone if he had to in order to win, I think this was his original plan to hook up with a female but he ended up truly caring for Lisa.
As far as "owing Lisa a vote talk," Chiari did not owe her a talk but Chiari clearly felt guilty for voting for Eric to stay. Chiari went to great lengths to cover it up and/or explain why she did it--even nominating Josh was a result of it (IMHO). And the perception to most of the HG and a lot of viewers was that Lisa was betrayed by Chiari.

In the tape when Danny told Lisa, Lisa actually moaned in pain (feelings hurt) when she heard that Chiari voted her to go.

Texastillie

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 10:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
1. Amy has said she wants Dani to win money. I don't believe she will align against her.

2. How many times have we heard the voters say "I don't like you or what you stand for, but you played the game the best."

Chelle

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My probelem with the Lisa/Chiara situation is Danielle. Chiara went to Danielle feeling hurt when she believed Lisa had spoken ill of her. Chiara was broken up about it. Danielle exploited that. She never bothered to say a word to Lisa about how Chiara didn't want to believe Lisa would say bad things, yet she had Roddy saying that Eric said it. Then Josh comes in and goes for broke. Yes, Chiara was manipulated by the boys, but Lisa was manipulated by Danielle.