Rod | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 05:19 am     They have committed to each other to be the final twosome (well Marci gave his word anyway). Marci sold Dani down the river and Roddy did the same to Chiara. |
C1mag | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 05:24 am     I never heard Marcellus sell out Dani. He mentioned nothing about Dani and Jasons alliance. He was very careful not to do that. Marcellus knows that Roddy has a target on his back. Marcellus probably said sure because if Roddy gets hoh next week then Marc is safe again. I don't think there is any solid alliance goin down right now. Just another safety net play. When Marcellus mentioned Dani was trying to get Amy to nominate certain ones he never mentioned which ones. He said Chiara was the house target. Had he sold Dani out he would have said that Dani wants YOU out Roddy. What I heard from Marcellus was a lot of play on words and in the end he even called Roddy on his little move to get out of this weeks hoh so quickly and then told Roddy why he thought he did it and Marc was point blank. I watched Marc several times looking right through Roddy. I think Marcellus still can't stand the guy. |
Maris | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 05:31 am     Marcellas has a healthy dose of scepticism but he oh so much wants Roddy to like him. He was wavering between calling him on his behavior and just relishing the attention from Roddy. If I was to say he sold anyone out it was more like Selling Amy out. He is trying to distance himself from whatever she decides and who she puts up. |
C1mag | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 05:31 am     Maris I will agree with you on the Amy issue. |
Rod | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 05:40 am     I hope you are both right. In the end of course, Marc is in it for himself (as he should be) and I think he spoke the truth when he said that he had no power structure himself but realized that he was in someone else's power structure (read dani)..and later when he said that when Dani tried to strongarm Amy , he realized she could do that to him to and didn't like it alt all. He may be trying to hedge his bets. Did he give his word? Did Roddy? Roddy asked him pointblank if he was good at keeping his word and he said he was excellent at it..but did he give it? I don't think Marc knows about the Dani/ Jason thing. He knows that Jason votes with them once in awhile..but he doesn't know re their alliance I don't think. Dani has been super careful to ensure noone knows re that. |
Annitar | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 05:51 am     Lost all respect for Marcie tonight! Here's hoping someone puts him and Roddy up next go around! Marcie had serious diarrhea of the mouth tonight with Roddy! Uggghhh! |
Chyang | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 05:59 am     Some one answer Rod please, I want to know the exact same thing. What are they still up for? Is any other HGs still up or did Rodfather wait out everyone again before this cozy talk? |
Rod | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 05:59 am     well I might think it was smart on Marci's part and wish him luck..except that I am really tired of the Marci who badmouths Gerry ever second he gets and isn't too nice to some others as well. So I am no longer a Marci fan (I once wanted him to win) I have never been a Roddy fan as I am really leary of anyone who can manipulate people that well. It is too dangerous. Remember his real life friends said he is the only guy they know who could get on an airplane without a ticket (ie can talk his way into anything). So he is this dangerous in real life as well it seems. I secretly seem to want Dani to win but I am unsure why. She is ever bit as manipulative as Roddy but for some reason I seem to feel like she is OK doing it. I really don't know why that is. Jason is too quiet..a non entity to me. Gerry..well he really does like to preach and talk down so I can't be for him (except I do feel sorry for him) Amy??....noooo I don't think so. not a game player I don't think. She won't last. Even Marci isn't talking to her re strategy. SoI guess I am left with Lisa. She has said from the beginning that she wants a good person to win. She hasn't been too underhanded yet. Maybe I will back her??? What do you think? (Like it really matters to Lisa or to you whom I back ) |
Sandy | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 05:59 am     Where/when did Dani try to "strongarm" Amy? All I've read is that she ask Amy who she was going to nominate......maybe made a comment or 2....but then left it as "do what your heart tells you". I think Marc is so focused on getting Gerry out he's missing the big picture and it's going to be his undoing. |
Rod | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 06:06 am     well Sandy it is all in your interpretation. Dani went off the deep end when Amy mentioned she might put a decoy up (eg Jason) against Kiki. We all know how Dani feels about decoys and she let Amy know in no uncertain terms what she thought of using a decoy. She said if you ever use me as a decoy you better hope that I get evicted. She was very angry but then reined herself in. i think that may be what Marci was referring to. He has never been that strong on Dani anyway as he realizes that she is the head of the clique..he doesn't like being in someone else's "power structure" as he called it, so this gives him an excuse to move camps. Dani never committed to him. Roddy SEEMS to be doing so. But as Chyang and I want to know..those of you who heard that conversation wherein the Marc / Roddy alliance was formed: did either Roddy or Marci ACTUALLY give their word???? |
Maris | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 06:10 am     No, Roddy in his usual manner eluded to an alliance with Marc but never came right out and said anything. Marc made a joke about it being just the two of them at the end and Roddy finished the conversation making a joke about wanting to see Danis face at the end. I have to say, Roddy is going to win this thing. He is slick. |
Sandy | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 06:46 am     Thanks Rod. I don't have the live feeds and have only what I read to go by. I'm sure her boy Jason being used as the decoy was even more upsetting to Dani. Wonder if Dani gets POV if she will use it to get Jason off the block? |
Ellenkats | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 06:50 am     A Marc/Roddy alliance while I was sleeping? NO! Say This Isn't So!!! |
Marymc | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 06:52 am     that'll teach you to actually SLEEP, ellen.....i've been up since 5 trying to catch up here! |
Maris | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 06:55 am     I went to sleep at three and ended up being woken at 6 by a Big Brother nightmare. Now I know I am watching too much of this stuff. I am glad this is only on in the summer. |
Keiffer | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 07:02 am     Given Danny and Jasons convo last night in the hammcock it would apear that Marcy should get away from Danny because she has already dumped him in the alliance for Lisa. As for Danny's strong arm tacktics there were two convos that DAnny had with Amy last night. In the first one she did lose her cool a slight bit (would love to see how she reactes to actually being put up), and tried a bit to bully Amy into doing what she wanted. This is when Amy actually I think solidified in her mind that she didn't want to do what she felt she was being forced into doing. In the second convo Danny was much more her mannipulative self and pushed Amy towards the R/C nommination. She kept saying that she would stand behind whatever Amy decided, then the next minute would be saying "but Amy what abou..." clearly not standing behind Amy's choice, only standing behind her choice. |
Rod | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 07:13 am     in Amy's conversation with Gerry, I got the impression that she does not now feel intimidated by either Roddy or Dani..she feels they both told her to follow her own heart and do what she feels is best (that is how Dani left it with her after the second conversation). Roddy is MASTERFUL. I have read the feeds on a couple of sites re his conversation with her and with Marci. He is really really really a great manipulator. I can't believe it but the two of them seem to be buying EVERY word he says. OF course they both have a crush on him so that helps. Dani is good but not even in the same league as Roddy. Anyway Amy said, in two different conversations with people (R?? and G?? not sure) that she would not put Dani up. She really likes her and wants her to be in the final grouping. She deserves to win. |
Rod | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 07:17 am     By the way, Dani told jason the threesome should be Lisa and them because she feels that Marc has joined the devil..has made an alliance with Roddy (and she is right) I saw a transcript of the jason/dani conversation and here is a tiny bit of it: D: I don't know about Marcellas, I think Marcellas made a deal with the devil J: With Rodd? D: MmHm. I really do J: You think he pulled Marcellas in? D: I think he pulled Marcellas in. J: Right now or a long time ago? D: Probably last week when Chiara or something..Somethin's just not right. I don't know what it is yet. J: Do you think Roddy know that me and Marcellas, that I said I'd kind of work with him or whatever? D: No because Roddy mentioned to Lisa that he's concerned about you because you have no commitment |
Maryk | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 07:17 am     Why shouldn't Marcellas play the game too? Danni last night told Jason that it is now he, her and Lisa to the end and Marcellas is out the door. I think it is in Marcellas best interest to use Roddy to take out Danni. |
Ellenkats | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 07:22 am     Marymc -- no one is more embarrassed than I am about my sleep addiction. I've tried going cold turkey, but then I just get cranky withdrawal symptoms and more obsessed about sleeping. Sometimes, (whisper) I just pass out and am unconscious until morning. (hanging head) |
Keiffer | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 07:25 am     Why should it be alright for Danny to plan and promise with everyone (Chiara, Lisa, Jason, Gerry, and Marcy... just the ones I ahve seen), but as soon as Marcy has a convo with Roddy he is hung out to dry? I think Danny is over reacting. Hasn't Marcy alwasy come to her after talks with ROddy and told her everything? If Danny is looking for a way to get Lisa in the group, and remove Marcy that is her choice. She should be prepared though because if Marcy and Roddy end up on the same team then she could get into trouble. They would make a pretty strong pair. I might also add that had Roddy talked to Amy yesterday the way that Danny did in the first convo I am sure there would have been another bash Roddy thread about it. People please wake up to the fact that Danny is every bit as cocky and mannipulative as Roddy. In fact she lies way more often... heck I can't remember a Roddy out right lie to a person. Roddy is guilty only by association with Chiara and Josh. |
Rod | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 07:27 am     well Maryk as I said in a post way up there, Marci is probably doing the right thing for himself and I can't fault him for it. I used to be his number 1 fan but I am really off of him now because of the way he treats gerry behind his back. As he has said himself, Marci only likes beautiful people who like him. If you don't fit into both categories he backbites you to death |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 07:27 am     Sigh Ellenkats. I remember those days. Now it seems that even when I long for the days of sleep addiction and try to recreate the "high" brought on by a fully unconscious 8 hour stretch of indulging my past habit it just isn't the same. I can't seem to get past the 4 hour mark...and I've tried. I've even contemplated picking up another habit to reunite with my sleep addiction of old. It's a vicious circle. |
Spree17 | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 07:31 am     roddy hasnt told an outright lie? Thats hillarious. He hasnt taken personal responsibility for anything. It wasnt him that put up amy and marcellas and it wasnt him that gave the most savage speech at amy to ensure she left 7-0. Now roddy is mr innocent all wide eyed wondering about all the moves everyone else is doing but him. By the way in the real world roddy betrayed josh several times and eric did once also. |
Rod | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 07:32 am     actually keiffer what you say is true. Dani is no nicer to people behind their backs then Marci. Probably the "nicest" person to everyone in the house has been Roddy. The problem is that many of us find it hard to believe that Roddy is sincere about anything he says. His sole aim is to manipulate thought. He is nice to sway the final vote. If I thought his niceness was even halfway true...and if he did not think so very very highly of himself and how much better he is then anyone else in the house..well maybe then I could get on his team. But I can't think that and he does think that and so I can't get on the team. sorry |