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Ryanc2002

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Serena - So that she wasn't a blind dog in a pack of rabid wovles.

Whit4you

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well true maybe part of this is that this to me seems like a given.. you were unamiously voted out - and they suggest you need to win HOH if you come back in because um gee these people might vote you out? Since these people unamiously voted oyu out once.. why wouldnt they again?

mostly my issue is that NOBODY but me seemed totally upset and I was...over the George thing... they were literally playing GOD in someones life...possibly costing him 500 g's which if used correctly can play a huge difference in your life and that of your children etc... yet BB decided to let the other HG's know about this "Theresa" thing "No outside contact??" and then the Josh talk where he got inside info... and then the Banners - which got so bad last yaer that I stopped being bugged when HG's whispered so WE couldn't hear them.... THESE are all instances that I felt were unfair....wrong and so on. HER being told the obvious that all the HG's who voted her out could do so again and plan to... because it was known to ALL other HG's - because THEY gave THE HG's a chance to conspiere AGAINST her without her being there... ya know??? Basically only those 100% anti-banners really should have any right to complain about this...because those banners flying last year were totally giving INSIDE info that not ALL HG's knew and so on...also any BB I fans who were not outraged over the George or Josh thing ...shouldnt be complaining now either lol.

I've had alot of personal issues wiht the leading questions in the DR that I hear about from the HG's last year and this year however... they sign a 'anything goes' type of contract with BB - that's part of their game to win 500 g's to allow BB to make up and change rules as they go. IF we want a truely fair unbiased game then we should be demanding that ALL the HOH comps and so on be designed PRIOR to the hg's entering cause clearly the games are geered to favor one participant or another.... remember the race cars last year??? GEEZ!

Surivor has always been that way too - diff comps geered to whoever Survivor deems to be the one they most want to see win for rating's...
so no I don't see that Amy being givin obvious info - that ALL other HG's know as unfair..not compared to so much else that I see going on that is unfair.

What I do see as totally unfair is that had JOSH been voted out 2 weeks ago HE might have anotehr shot at the 500 g's... and now he doesnt... I don't think it's fair the first 4 voted out get a 2nd chance and the next 4 voted out don't but.. I will say this makes for some damn interesting viewing....this year... even though I don't have a real favorite... this is my 2nd fav BB ever now - after the first OZ BB.

Puckerbutt

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryan -

So are you implying that she would have been operating blindly had the producers not told her the information?

Which way is it - she would have been in the dark or that it was so obvious that all the remaining house guests would gang up on the returnee that ANYONE would have it figured out beforehand? You can't have it both ways.

Woofy

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that if the producers had wanted Amy to be HOH, all they had to do is announce it as she came in the door on Thursday.

Remember, the producers always talk stategy with contestants ... on BB, on Survivor, on Real World, on The Mole and on every other reality show. Telling Amy that she had to win HOH was part of a stategy talk ... not a set-up.

Puckerbutt

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woofy -

There's a difference between asking a contestant what their strategy is and telling them what it should be.

Ryanc2002

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I never said she would've figured it out. I'm thinking from a producers point of view. We put her back in, and 7 days later she's back out again. The twist becomes the biggest flop ever.

Duster4260

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Every year someone starts screaming "rigged, rigged -- producers better watch out." Nothing ever happenes because BB guarantees themselves the right to "control" the environment. Why do people get caught up on this? It is the way BB has deemed it -- the question is -- how will be able to make something come of it to their advantage and who will be thrown off track. That is the point of the "twist."

Ryn

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All Amy had to do was put herself in her fellow HGs shoes, doesn't take a genius to figgure out how she would feel if she was in their shoes.

Puckerbutt

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryan -

Exactly, and that is why this particular twist should never have been implemented in the first place.

Whit4you

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Banging head on keyboard...going to the zen thread...

Ryanc2002

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, I've said since the speculation began that it was a bad idea. Reality TV is not a normal gameshow, and I get really bored with people screaming rigged. Especially since the Stingray book came out, the contracts that those houseguests sign, I guarentee you are iron clad. No one, especially for Big Brother, will ever sue for manipulation because they've been told before hand, signed and agreed to statements that said "Expect the unexpected."

Battlestar

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Twists in reality games is the only way to go!

Remember how boring Survivor was getting and then they blew us away by mixing up the teams---no one expected that but it sure made for good TV..

One more twist is suppose to be in the works and I can't wait to see what it is

Sassylady

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I posted this in another thread..It was clear (to me) that Amy was totally prepped for the HOH contest. IMO she was "acting" when the eels were put in the tub...If you have tonight's show taped look at the way she "acts" when the eels are put into the tub.
She was asking if they were dead or alive. Just seemed very fake to me.

BTW-- I like the "expect the unexpected" and pleased it was AMY..but I do not want the show to be scripted or one player prepped more than another.

Puckerbutt

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Duster -

CBS and ASP don't present this show as an exercise for viewers to observe the subtle mechanics of back scenes manipulation of " human hamsters".

That is why internet feed and television viewers aren't privy to diary room conversations between contestants and producers. For example, we'll never witness a video of the producers feeding a contestant misinformation in the diary room and then watch to see if this subtle manipulation by "Big Brother" would have an affect on the "hamster population". Although that could be a separate show and would be interesting in its own right.

As Serena aptly pointed out before - it is presented more as an exercise in "surveillance and restrictions". Perhaps if the show were called "The Crucible" we wouldn't so hear so much of this "Big Brother can do ANYTHING they want to" chants many posters on this board are fond of. This show is supposedly a fair competition with a fairly substantial prize for winning. As such - the producers should take as much of a hands off approach as they can.

Chyang

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it should be part of the mysteries for the HGs to worry about how much exactly the returned one was informed. They know Amy wasn't allowed tv shows or Life Feeds but they should worry about "handlers", they each had personal experience with producers and handlers, they should be suspicious and worried, part of the game, in my mind.

Azriel

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the HOH thing doesn't amount to a hill of beans. I think the real problem is the evicted HGs weren't really sequestered from the outside world. I don't know who's fault it is...the 'cool' handlers or the producers or what...they shouldn't have been allowed to speak to ANYONE but their handlers and if they were allowed any communication from their family at the most it should have been a censored letter.

It seems that 'sequestered' is Big Brother speak for let them speak to anybody and everybody as long as we can get some cool pics of Tonya's tatas on the beach.

Goddessatlaw

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oooooh, good for you Chyang. I'm with Chyang on this one. Especially since it's mostly Chiara doing the crapping over how much Amy knows.

Sbw

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Geez... why didn't they just put the HG in as HOH? That is what I had hoped they would do. However, it has appeared to me that they indicated strongly to her that she had to win HOH (at minimum), and yes after she had a few DR sessions, she has toned down the way she is saying it, which makes me suspicious. But.... I guess the end result is the same, but "perception" is everything and something seems stinky to me, and it has nothing to do with the dead things in the HOH tub.

Puckerbutt

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why should they even have to worry about what information producers have force fed a contestant? Shouldn't they just have to worry about about how much information Amy would have legitimately extracted from the other house guests by now using her own skill and guile? After all - isn't that the point of the show?

Or does not legitimate strategy and skill matter to any board posters here? Perhaps it's just all about how many entertaining arguments you can witness.

Ellenkats

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My two cents worth: producers aren't worried about a thing, and have more secrets, leading HG's on, and twists coming up. Boy, doesn't their little interferences make for good viewing? I say stop viewing this as some sort of 'fair' contest. This is primetime television entertainment. The watched volunteers who last longest just happen to walk away with a little more dough.

Azriel

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wasn't it just a little stupid that in the
'Expect the Unexpected Clip' the voice over said that the evicted HGs have had no contact with the outside world and then a view freaking minutes later Amy is kicked back in the tub 'o goo telling them what all their fans said about them?

Sassylady

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Azriel:My comment that Amy was prepped was just one more example of how she was not "sequestered" as we were led to believe. It was clear on the first night that Amy had access to people who commented on the show.

I am just having fun picking out all the beans that form the mountain, whether it amounts to anything or not--I am having fun

The whole idea is to entertain us and I am being entertained

Ellenkats

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think seeing a few fans, finding out 1/1000th of what's been going on in house from BB, and a few 10 minute chats with family is somehow unreasonable compensation for being voted out of the house and taking the walk of shame. It's not like Amy went home, watched all the tapes and read all the internet boards, etc. BB's allowances were minor, imo. I can see no advantage Amy has in winning BB because of her 'contact' while out of the house. To the contrary -- it works against her in the house.

Chyang

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Puck, not everyone is only watching for fights, no Life Feeds here and most of the time couldn't bother to read too much about fights.

Like Sbw said, BB could have said the returning HG will be HOH this week and they'd have no room to complain. BB has been making up rules as they go anyway. It was probably mentioned in contract that "rules are subject to change" for the sake of ratings or whatever BB sees fit. Isn't it the sprit of BB that they are not only to be watched by and also to do what and when as told by Big Brother?

(Thanks Goddess, usually I read yours and keep nodding going "yeah, yeah, Ya. Ya.")

Ryanc2002

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 08:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
*Smacks everyone who is screaming fix*


Hello! Wake Up! You're buying Chiara's crap!