Word, Promises, etc.
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Ryanc2002 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:08 pm     I don't see why everyone makes such a damn big deal about giving their word, or making promises. It doesn't mean a damn thing. If everyone kept their word this would be one boring ass game! If you go on a game like this, you cannot be worried about breaking your word like some people in that house are. It's stupid. People are too worried about the final vote and getting votes in the end. Those engame votes don't mean a thing if you don't make it to the end. I don't think you can make it to the end playing it morally and as a stand up person. You have to break your word. That's why I do not understand Dannie's hesitation to screw Amy over and get rid of Roddy. If she lets Roddy slide this week it severely, severely hurts her chances of making it to endgame. |
Eden | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:12 pm     I agree completely, Ryan!! |
Crossfire | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:20 pm     I would be like Will, I would say once, but ONLY ONCE at the start of the show, 'I am going to lie my ass off.' Then give my word to anyone, promise the world, and if people fall for it, too bad...they can 'check the tapes'. |
Marcieb | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:24 pm     So the end justifies the means? Your word is only good if giving it helps you get what you want? DON'T give your word if you can't keep it. Some HG's are too ready to swear on things (love, graves, etc) knowing it's a lie. We get enough of this equivocation in politics that I hate to see a good game show tainted by abuses of trust. |
Nutsy | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:24 pm     making mental note to never enter BB house with Crossfire  |
Ryanc2002 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:27 pm     Marcieb - That was kind of my point. Giving your word in this game doesn't mean anything, and if someone gives you their word take it for what it's worth (nothing) and don't get upset if they don't keep it. |
Wannabb3 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:30 pm     Dani just gave her WORD to Roddy that she would not nominate him and Dani said she wouldlook out for Roddy if Chiara leaves.......hello.....if Dani had her way Roddy would have been gone last week. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:40 pm     Dani originally said weeks ago that she would *never* "break her word"...when she "gives her word" she sticks to it. Last night she told Jason "If breaking my word is the one thing that keeps me from getting to the final 2, then I can do that." Jason has told Dani last night that it will eventually come down to him having to lie. Roddy told Dani today that Jason lied right to his and Eric's faces about his Eric eviction vote. Dani replied "So, he broke his word...?" She just now said to Roddy, and Chiara, "Roddy has my word...I won't nomininate him." (This *may* have been a hypothetical remark...I wasn't paying enough attention because I was typing this!) Bottom line: BIG BROTHER is just a big high stakes CON GAME....the ones that don't *play* it for what it is (a CON GAME) will never *win* it. If someone is "too honest" to play a game that hinges on social politics and alliances, then they shouldn't play. (BB1 was completely different...it was just a popularity contest and no strategizing was allowed) |
Kitt | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:43 pm     Isn't this all just one big game of poker? All straight faces and bluffs? I don't think anyone should hurt someone else's feelings, but other than that they all knew this was a competition when they entered it, and should have known all bets were off with regard to lying. The trouble seems to be where people are having difficulty separating their personal feelings from feelings about the game itself. I imagine it must be very hard to put up those mental barriers but just because they find it difficult doesn't mean that they don't have to try and do it to survive in this game. That or find some other effective strategy such as flying under the radar. It's a G A M E game. |
Sawyou | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:50 pm     Dani told Jason she was going to throw HOH this week and he MUST get it and nominate Rod. That's how she can promise him she won't nominate him. Just more of her getting others to do her dirty work (she's a great BB player!). |
Eggie | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:52 pm     How many times have you heard in the last 5 weeks "just between you and me". How stupid are these people? Does anyone in the house really believe that when they say that everything they say won't end up circulating through the house in about 38 minutes? Idiots. |
Bbdiva | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:52 pm     here here RyanC and you did say you were trying out for BB4 right???? YOU GO DUDE cuz lying is the name of the game... well that and trying to hang onto your sanity. |
Xanaxnyquil | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:55 pm     I'm watching the feeds and I can't tell if Dani is bluffing Roddy & Chiara or not! Is she?? I thought she LOVED Jason! Now it sounds like Roddy's turned her against him... for "breaking his word". |
Ryanc2002 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:58 pm     Bbdiva - I wish but I'll only be 18 when BB4 goes down. I have to wait for BB7 or 8 (I hope it makes it that long). I really think playing the whole con game side of it would be a hell of a lot of fun. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 02:05 pm     Yep she was bluffing Roddy and Chiapit. She just told Lisa that Marcellas spilled the beans on the fact that Dani was out to get Roddy and also that Roddy is going after Jason! They are plotting hot and heavy now! I think Roddy spilling the beans to Dani (that Marcellas spilled the beans to him) just signed his own death warrant! So much for keeping Roddy now! |
Spunky | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 02:07 pm     There is a lot of spilling going on....Somebody's gotta get soaked. Let it be Roddy. |
Krossd | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 03:06 pm     Just to straighten the Dani's word thing... \b[it was made between Dani and Roddy the week he was HOH, that she won't nom. him if she is HOH - if he didn't nom her (then)}. He got the same from Gerry (and other too?) Crossfire, take note to get these 'word's for those you don't intend to put up anyway, just in case they are the type to go by giving thier word. Roddy didn't intend to put Gerry or Dani up in the first place. Smart move. I said in another thread - I'd tell everyone at once (in a gathering), that I am so confused from he said she said, I said, you said - that any thing I have said or promised is toast, off, gone, and to come to me individually if you want to talk to me about it. I am waiting for Dani, Lisa, and Jason to meet for that GO AHEAD - get rid of Roddy NOW. If Lisa is still with them (if the Amy/Marc talk was info gathering only).... they could. Only other chance is if Lisa or Jason get HOH (if Dani doesn't forget this word thing. She doesn't need R's vote in the end anyway.) Anyone hear Dani/Jason/Lisa talk about going thru with get rid of Roddy yet? |
Crossfire | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 03:09 pm     What am I taking note about? That paragraph is a bit confusing. I think I might agree, but I can't tell. |
Earthmother | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:21 pm     RYAN: If you swear one more time young man I promise I'm coming over there with Chiara's mouth soap and teaching you a good lesson...Okay it's a threat she doesn't have any mouth soap. See promises are meant to be broken... |
Ryanc2002 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:30 pm     When did I swear? Oh, you mean damn? Coulda been worse, I coulda said Fu......Oh, where was I? |
Whit4you | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:31 pm     I'd give my WORD that I came in here to win. This is a friggen GAME SHOW - I still don't get why so many of THEM don't undstand that. Your not giving your word to your best friend.. or your sister... your giving your "WORD" to a fellow contestant. Ironically cause it's titled "outlast - outplay - outwit" it seems to be ok in Survivor..but here it seems like whoever can manipulate others giving their "Word" the most wins. I'd give my word in the beginning that I was there to win (if I was) and then I would. I'd win by manipulating those who think this is a show about making friends...about giving your OWORD to friends and all that <> I'm close to 40 and never made a promise I have not kept - nor would I make a promise I CAN'T keep. I wouldn't make any promises in there.. but I'd give my word that I plan to win ... and any words or "giving my word' after that..would be a part of that intital 'word' it's all just bull<> that the HG's use to manipulate others .. it's a GAME SHOW. Giving my word to an important friend in real life..over something important would matter..giving my WORD in a game show ..would not... to me those USING this 'giving their word' thing is mere manipulation - and it played out to it's exreme this year with Rod - telling Eric he HAD promised to never ever vote him out. |
Costacat | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:37 pm     I'm not sure that keeping your word is something you can actually do in this game. From watching BB2 and seeing how Will skated into $500K by pretty much giving his "word" to everyone and then going back on it (but, of course, telling US in the diary room exactly what he was doing)... well, heck! I'd probably do it just the same way. The trick is, if you are gonna go back on your word, just don't get caught! Whit's right though... it's a GAME SHOW!!! You're gonna do what you gotta do to win the GAME! |
Jimmer | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:22 pm     The people who have the most trouble winning at the end will be the ones that really emphasized that their word was everything and that they don't lie (e.g. Jason if he ends up lieing more and Dani). The ones who either skate around the issue or just admit that they had some bad moments will do much better at the end. It is a GAME but the object is to get to the end and then still have the others like you enough to vote to give you the money. |
Becca | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:59 pm     Jason, never gave his word to Roddy, Roddy himself is lying there. HE said as of now I'm sticking to the plan. those key words, while sounding convincing, are must certainly not a promise, or a swear. roddy's lying when he says Jay gave his word. |
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