Sassylady | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:05 am     Danni's biggest mistake--this week and last--underestimating how much Gerry wants Roddy out. Gerry wants Roddy out, but like he deals with the others if they are there he will work around it..but given the chance (knowing D,L, J are with him) Gerry would put Roddy out. Dani made a big mistake not including Gerry in the getting Roddy out group. |
Spree17 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:07 am     dlj should go to gerry and fill him in on marcy bask stabbing him and roddy trying to have amy put him up. say we are the final four right here. Lets make it happen right now. first roddy then marcy then kiki then amy. gone gone goen but dlj is sleep walking not knowing that amy and marcy are traitors and being roddys pawns |
Sassylady | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:16 am     Spree 17: I am hoping that D & L start thinking and comparing everything Amy and Marc said..if they do maybe they will go to Gerry and fill him in. They would be a solid 4 (5 if you count Chiari)against Marc and Amy It is their only chance at this point. |
Spree17 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:18 am     sassy i agree 100%. they need to get gerry. just make it dlj and gerry. say this is the final 4 right here. Lets just make a promise none of us go back on and make it happen. They need to fill gerry in on marcys backstabbing. |
What555456 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:40 am     I started another thread with this without realzing this thread was similar. So, I will repost this here so the Mods can take down the other one..... After her mistake of yesterday and all of the discussions last night, if I were Danielle I would make Gerry one very good offer to have him veto Chiara and promise to boot Roddy. It's a risk, because Amy could put up Danielle, but a risk worth taking. Assuming Amy then puts up Dannielle, Lisa, Jason and Gerry (and if they work it right, Chiara) can then can vote out Roddy. Next week...Amy goes. Marcellus the following week. |
Sassylady | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:47 am     What55...: From our computers to their ears :0) |
Alaginger | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:04 am     Oh......Sassylady......I'm hoping I catch you. I left a link for you for the picture of John Raymond of Slidell on Survivor, but in case you missed it.....here it is again. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/survivor5john/ The only problem I have with telling Gerry anything is that I slightly remember way back when that he and Marcie had an agreement, and Marcie said "Please understand that I will be trashing you" to throw the others off and Gerry said he understood. I don't know if Gerry considers that is still in play or not. |
Sassylady | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:22 am     I didn't know Marcellas told Gerry that he would be talking about him! hmmmmm that confuses me now. I use to hope that is what he was doing but I just don't know... I still want to see Roddy go this week or it will be the same old show...the guy that is smug and considered the biggest threat by all never gets voted out. OT: Thanks for the link Alaginger my city buddy ;-)I must have missed it before. I think I have a folder or something--I was hoping to give you my email addy somehow. I just do not know how it is done without posting to the world. |
Krossd | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:23 am     Dani's biggest mistake is Trusting Marc (Lets hope Lisa REALLY is on Dani's (and Jason's side, AND they know this by tomorrows vote! |
Alaginger | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:34 am     Sassylady......I have previously posted the picture link in "The Producers Are Very Nervous" link. You never came back there. The thing between Gerry and Marcie was on the back porch at the card table. They talked, and said something about going all the way together, and then as Marcie got up to walk off, he looked at Gerry and said something like, "You realize I am going to have to continue to go on trashing you" and Gerry said, "I understand"....... |
Gina8642 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:38 am     When did Marc and Gerry have that convo Alaginger?? - that could change alot in my mind. Dani doesn't trust Gerry. It seems very unlikely that she would go to him and reveal her strong alliances with Li and Ja. She would think he would blab (which he very well may). Gerry, IMO, really likes Marc, and wants Marc to go far in this game. I don't think G would leave Marc in the dark if Dani was schemeing against Marc. (I think G would keep quiet if the scheme was against Roddy, but not agaisnt Marc) |
Espen | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:41 am     ooh.. could there really be *Two* stealth alliances? If Gerry and Marcellus are doing that, I take my hat off to Marcellus, because he sure is not giving ANYONE the impression he would give Gerry the time of day.. I find it hard to believe anyone can be that good of an actor, but it would be cool if it were true! At least then we would know it was just an act.. Unfortunately, he was probably just being honest but making Gerry think he didn't mean it.. |
Stingerman | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:41 am     Danni's biggest mistake's were Moaning about her money problems to the others. This was the biggest one. Trying to go back on her word that she had given to Amy. If she had just done what she had promised none of this crap would be going on right now. Making a deal with Roddy to never put him up if she got HOH. (I missed this one and just found out about it today). Any way you slice it now even if she does make it to he end she isn't winning the grand prize. |
Sassylady | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:42 am     Krossd: Didn't I read that the last thing said between dlj was that they had to vote Chiari out? Which changed because of Danni trusting Marc and he ran to Amy with it? I think if they could get Gerry's ear and tell him the plan (he really wants Roddy out as much as they do) they might be able to get Roddy out without any damage as far as proceeding in the game. Sure it will hurt for the final vote but without getting Roddy out now dlj are gone. The mistake with Marc cannot be undone--but the mistake with Gerry can be reversed. It is their only chance. |
Alaginger | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:42 am     Gina......it was several shows back. I don't get the livefeeds, so I had to have seen it highlighted on one of the actual televised versions. Marcellas trashes Gerry so much, I just can't figure out if he really means it, or if he is still carrying on from that conversation I saw on the back patio between them. Maybe somebody that has taped the shows can pinpoint the time.....or maybe somebody can point out to me that it is actually over and done with as of ?????... |
Krossd | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:55 am     Yes Sassy that was the last thing I heard d-l-j deciding to go with the flow and take kiki out... because of Amy promising Dani she'd then go after R next. (I thought they were both sincere!) Now I read there was some discussion (not sure of the time) between Marc, Amy,(& Lisa?) about the lies Dani has told. I am hoping Lisa is loyal to Dani and tells her so d-l-j can take Roddy out this week (if G doesn't take him off with Veto) It isn't looking good for her, in any way, if Lisa isn't in thier camp. I read the LF religiously and missed this one! So, either I am out of sequence or this conv. happened last night, after this conv. Reading the LF now to get clear on this. |
Inkydinkyspider | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:01 am     Dani....My advice to you - I give you my WORD - Walk Over Roddy Dani!! |
Jagger | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:09 am     There was a convo early evening yesterday between LAM where they were talking about Danny and her failure to do any of her own work, always wanting someone else to do it for her. Late in the evening 2:30 -3 am bb time AMy and Mars were in hoh, totally ripping on both Danny and Gerry, saying those are the last two they want to win the money. They want to form an alliance with Roddy and get Danny out. IMO Dannys biggest mistake is not taking any responsibility for herself, wanted everyone else to be the bad person and nominate people and vote people out while she sits back and looks innocent. I use to really like her, now my opinion has gone down on her because of her lack of wanting to stir things up and take chances. |
Justshirley | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:18 am     Hopefully Lisa will continue "bonding" with Marc and Amy (really just pumping them for info), because M&A have decided that they want the final three to be them and either Jason (first choice), Roddy or Lisa. If Lisa can wheedle out of them just how much they distrust Danielle, then D/J/L will know that it doesn't matter if they anger Marc and Amy by going back on their word and voting out Roddy, because they've already lost M&A. Also, Lisa could gain valuable knowledge for herself as far as what an attractive end-game opponent Danielle will make, since her "poverty" mantra and the perception that she's using others to do her dirty work has really ticked off many of the HGs. If Lisa can do a good job with M&A, she just might be in this thing for the long haul. |
Alaginger | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:41 am     Okay......I went through a lot of the livefeeds and I finally found the conversation between Gerry and Marcellas I was referring to: It was 7/26 around 6:58 and is in the archives: Gerry - no matter what you do in this game. with God as my judge - I'll always be your friend, if you have to stab me in the back to win - I'm ok with that - I'm playing for higher stakes in this game and I velieve everything you just told me and it goes against every grain I am as a man - If it means I cant do ?? parties in las vegas. Marc - in order for this to work I have to still tow the line - still pretend that Gerry is always plotting - and gerry is out to get you ..don't trust him.. but please know that this agreement suppor seeds all otehrs... let the veto stand as is cause I don't want them to put you up in my place. I will not campaign against Amy if I go and she stays I can live with that.. but I will do what I can within the other group to....? (stay?) and now I have to go talk to Roddy |
Krossd | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:49 am     Dani Going to Gerry won't work if Marc and Gerry have had a secret alliance (which I recently began to consider might be the case from that back room talk). I don't trust Gerry at this point. If he doesn't take Roddy off, then the HAVE GOT to vote Roddy out. Then go to Gerry, (maybe). Geeze I wish Dani hadn't said anything to marc befor pov and just voted Rod out! Grrr Is there any possiblity that Amy is just going along with Marc (to get Chiara out) and will not go back on what she promised Dani about Roddy being next? Thoughts on this anyone? |
Alaginger | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:02 am     That would be great!!! |
Marameko | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:09 am     Good analysis Justshirley...........Bravo |
Kappy | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:35 am     Every week, who is playing best changes for me. Lisa has so changed so dramatically with Eric out of the house and who knows who she is truly being honest with. To me, Dani's biggest mistake so far has been to tell Lisa too much because right now, I think Lisa is playing everyone, as she should be if she really wants to win. But as far as Amy and Marci wanting to end up with Roddy in the final three ~ what a disaster that would be for those two! Geeez, I hope they wake up! |
Onlymytulips | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:42 am     Well Danielle's biggest mistake is letting Marcellas sit in last weeks conversations between her and Lisa and/or Jason. She knows that Marcellas is a emotional mess and can and or will bite the hand that feeds him. Talking to Amy about her on Sunday night, makes me wonder (if Gerry does use the veto) that Amy will then put up Danielle? We shall see. |
Sassylady | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:10 am     Alaginger..Thanks for that archive and leading me to it :0) In the paragraph above or below it I read: "Marc - we can all turn on each other that's fine - but if we turn on each other NOW we are spent - so I'm gonna reaffirm my alligence to you because I did let it waver. And let's do some damage in this b***ch" I think Marc knew Amy was going and he had to re-affirm his alliegence with Gerry because he was loosing his alli Amy. Marc has waivered to much I am just not trusting this allience to much. I think Gerry thinks it is in-place. Marcellas was running scared at that time... I bet he doesn't even remember this promise. If he does I will once again respect him. |
Ginger1218 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:11 am     I agree that Dani's biggest mistake was to confide in Marcellas. He is sleazy and cannot be trusted. He has and will again turn on Amy too. |
Alaginger | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:25 am     Yep, all these alliances, interalliances, 1/2 alliances, 2-man alliances, you-said/he-said alliances, he-lied/you-lied alliances........I can't keep up with them. Think I'll just go take an Advil and crawl in bed with a good book (LOL) |