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Cameltoes

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think it's a big deal since I assume they are continuously manipulating them in the Diary Room anyway. They can control what kind of challenges knowing who they will favor (i.e. if they wanted Lisa to win HOH they could do another visual challenge like the last POV) and such. It all ties into the concept of "Big Brother" so I don't think it goes against the premise of the show.

Serena

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Strkaholic, good point. There's no way that information can fairly be given to some competitors and not others. It's completely fair that Amy was at a disadvantage coming in. She got EVICTED. She WANTED to go back in and it was a privilege to be allowed to do so. The producers don't need to help her 'overcome' the disadvantage of not knowing how the houseguests are going to deal with her. That would be like a 100 m race where someone with a nagging injury is given steroids to make it 'fair'.

If Tonya had won and been given the information that the hg's have planned to immediately vote out anyone coming back, some of the people who think it's fine would be up in arms right now.
I like Amy, but that doesn't blind me to the unfairness of people behind the scenes imparting strategy to the competitors.
Very similar actions as the lawsuit against Mark Burnett et. al. alleges.

Poser

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Assuming that Amy isn't a complete dunce, she had to know that she would be booted immediately. That was the first thing I thought of when they announced the return of a hamster.

What BB did, was make an HOH competition that she could win. It didn't depend on chance or skill, just desire.

Kalekona

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
very good points Cameltoes. Besides both Amy and Eric would have known they would be a target and getting HOH was key. All bb did was confirm this to amy.
As for this messing up strategy that's the point to keep things unpredictable and interesting. No different than when survivor mixed up the trips thus breaking up alliences.
Agree or disagree with the hg coming back but you have to see it made for great tv! Very exciting!

Bigsister

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I completely agree that BB has given Amy a whopping unfair advantage, first in letting her come back into the house after being evicted fair and square, and then in making it possible for her to win HOH. But I betcha if we could know the truth there is lots of behind the scenes manipulating going on every week. Changing the rules in midstream, for example, or slanting the competitions toward the strentghs and weakness of certain houseguests. Or asking leading questions in the diary room to plant seeds of doubt, feelings of security, or whatever the producers feel contributes to the show. In fact, I think the importance of strategy and "playing the game" are vastly overrated; there are just too many unforseen and uncontrollable variables. It is impossible to really define what "playing the game well" means, because pure, blind luck plays the biggest role of all.

Csnog

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I said it before and I will say it again.

BB is manipulating the game.

They do it in the DR and have now done some with Amy.

This is not a contest within the walls of the house between the HG's.

BB is manuvering the HG's that they want in the finals.

This is a contest for ratings and I think therefore that the show is rigged.

Maris

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 03:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy just told Dani, she knew about the revolving door before she came in. She said "They didnt come right out and tell me but they pushed it" then FOTH

Jhezzie

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 03:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ahhh. That's why the FOTH. I just logged on and got about 2 secs of conversation between Amy and Dani.

Fruitbat

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 03:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Telling Amy it is in her best interest to win is stating the obvious. She entered the house having wagered half of her money and committing to a total diet of PB and J. She was going to stay in that tub no matter what. Logic would tell her to go for the power. I am not bothered by this.

Skeldragon

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 03:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BB sure is playing, and mostly playing us. What I fail to understand is why the constant FOTH this afternoon every time one of the HG's talks about the twist. First Roddy and Chiara, then Chiara and Lisa, now Dani and Amy. Do the folks at CBS really think that we're so stupid that we haven't already figured out that:

A) Amy was given what could be perceived as "inside information" while supposedly sequestered (but allowed to talk to locals about the show)

Personally, if it was me, I'da kept my mouth shut about THAT :-)

B) The competitions are designed to favor one or another of the houseguests, at the whim of BB

I see nothing wrong with that...it gets boring when the same person wins over and over again (Colby)

C) BB "leads" the DR sessions with leading questions, in order to create some tension and drama

Hey Arnold - wake up. We know it, you're not fooling us, and we're watching anyway. Now get that FOTH off the feeds and give us what we're paying for!

Okay, end rant. I need some cheetos

Willow_Woman

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, interesting thread. Question: when you said, "They pretty much let Amy know they wanted her to win the HOH and revealed a strategy to her" did you mean they revealed a strategy about *how* she could win HOH? Or, did you mean they revealed the hgs strategy (ORD) to her?

Thanks.

Whit4you

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 05:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well again since this seems to be going on in a dozen threads - why is it so unfair that she know something that ALL other HG's know? They didn't tell her something that only a few HG's know - only something that ALL others know - her NOT knowing something that ALL other HG's know to me would put HER at an unfair disadvantage. Winning that HOH was NOT easy she outlasted many others by how long???

Them letting the HG's know that Georges WIFE 'organized a anti brit campaign" - that was wrong I thought. Them letting Josh have inside info that none of the other HGs knew that was wrong in my opinion. But letting her know something that ALL other HG's knew... to me makes sense.

What's funny is how much inside info hg's got that ALL other's did not know via banners last year and yet her finding out something ALL other's knew is 'unfair' hmm

Maris

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 05:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I started this thread after hearing it on the live feeds and started it as a discussion point. I have no problem with this and I know that every HG had a player they wanted to win the competition. To say that Roddy or Chiara wouldnt be happy if Eric was in there would not be realistic. I have no problem with how BB is playing the game this year and I love it.

It is more entertaining and a lot of that is due to the twists and turns thrown to the HGs, they cant strategize consistently before they are thrown a curve.

Willow I was talking about BB telling Amy that she had to win HOH because of ORD.

Wcv63

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 05:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fruitbat I wholeheartedly agree with your post!

Abby

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The Twist as it is called is "unfair" to begin with... once you are out of the game thats it... No Do Overs. What good is the race if the last horse gets to start at the midway point of the race? The Evicted HG were to have 0 contact about the game.. we know that had not happened. Plus the winded horse got a vacation out of the fishbowl and all the tensions that goes with it.. to come in fresh.. NOT FAIR. I agree that The DR asks and plants seeds of doubt, but that is part of the game...the Fresh horse has unfair advantage. JMHO

Maris

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 09:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well Life Aint Fair. This is the best show by far, much better than bb1 and bb2.