What is your current opinion of Marcellus?
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Texastillie | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:51 am     I did not like that the original 6 had singled Marcellas out in the first show, but I could see why they picked him. He was obviously moody, standoffish, unfriendly, etc. I immediately turned around and started to love him. He was so funny and vulnerable and sweet with Amy. When he got HOH, I actually believed his nomination speech (although I didn't think it had a place in this game). He was even more endearing. As soon as he got a foothold in the group, he again changed - for the worse. I thought he was very mean to Amy for her attempts to get votes. He (and Danielle) acted like she didn't have the right to try to get votes and she was shamed for it. Marcellas has quickly turned into a crude, b*tchy, whining, arrogant, self-righteous, two-faced, back-biting, hateful <>. His Gerry-bashing is so horrible it goes beyond anything I have words for. And I will feel sorry for Amy if she comes back thinking Marcellas is her friend and will be glad to see her. 007 |
Krossd | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:53 am     I gave it a chance, and tried to keep an open mind about Marc since so many people liked him. But for the very reason that Scotia_Nova said, "It's horrible, shameful and no longer funny. When he and Amy would go off on the other HG's there was something kinda innocent and charming about the 2 of them bonding...." I've never find that kind of fun charming, and I wouldn't participate in it even if meant not having an 'ally'. It is a distasteful disagreeable way to have 'fun' (even if its not meant). If that is what one does for fun then that itself is VERY TELLING about you(to me). It has set the tone for him since(in between funny stories, etc.) I'd like to point out, just as Marc pointed out that Josh started his (Jo) game being negative, that Marc started out this particular way with these antics. So, no, didn't and still don't much care for M. I like that Dani is playing the game, and the way she goes about it (mostly), and the same for Jason. I am rooting for Lisa (staying out of the R/C camp, or only 'joining it to move on to the final, if need be.) I like to see sleepers WAKE UP ... no matter if it is the 'bad', or 'good' ones. |
Cyn | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:10 pm     maracellus's stock plummeted after his derogatory comments about Indians a few weeks ago. he said that his friend who works at a store somewhere in the mid-west isn't allowed to sell rubbing alcohol to Indians cause they are alcoholics. he laughed and laughed and laughed. i found this disgusting. it's not a joke to laugh at the benefit of another's culture. imagine the outrage, if say amy, or any southern person where racism towards African Americans is still very prevalent, were to give a story with laughter about how they don't hire blacks due to them having inferior educations. and, then, they laughed and laughed and laughed. we would all be so disgusted. then, plus, chiara mocking Indians with her rain dance during their camp out. as a descendent of an American Indian, i am always outraged by how no one can see this mimicking as being as offensive as a Caucasian who plays black face. they are equal. these dances are our sacred rituals. i know most of the time people don't mean it in "that way". but, most people doing it (mimicking of African Americans) back in the old days didn't see it as offensive either. anyway, thanks for listening to my rant. i am sure that many will defend them for this and think that i am being overly sensitive. have to leave for work in five minutes, so i just hope that you let these thoughts wrestle around in your mind for a bit. maybe it will make our continent a bit more gentle and caring. Mitaku Oyasin (We are all related) |
Kalekona | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:25 pm     right this minute I'm pretty upset with Marcellas, after yesterday. He simply needs to stop playing the game on emotion and listen to Danielle for now- too late now he might as well pack his bags as keeping Roddy will be the end of everyone. Yes Josh was campaigning against Roddy- he went to danielle and asked for her vote saying he would give her his vote in the end. Just what is everyones problem with Gerry? i see him doing nothing that people everywhere do everyday and cetainly no worse than the other HG- I think this is just the only way they can justify their hate of this man who has done nothing evil to any of them. Marcellas needs some reality-- but in his favor I don't think he'll come out against anyone when he's nominated again, the reason he went off on Amy was she was going to everyone saying "just one vote" thinking they would ALL do this and she'd be saved. |
Milesquade | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:57 pm     Longtime lurker, first time poster. I cannot stand Marc, he is an <> I could never live with or be close friends with him, as I do not let people who insist on constant drama into my life. But beyond that, his nasty comments about Gerry are not just tiresome, they are offensive, hypocritical and, at times, outright lies. After the big blowup between R and Jo last night, Marc and Dani were together whispering again, ragging on G, Marc talking about how G is somehow holding the fact that G vetoed his nomination over him. This is from the live feed post last night: <clip> D & M in HRD M: He never once talked really about making that stupid speech about racism & homosexuality. And if that's what you felt and the excuse that you used and caused you to leave what makes you think for a second I want to talk to you at all? M: So you've had this tremendous change of character in 4 days? D: So what? M: It's disgusting. So I hope it's grandstanding. I hope it was because if it wasn't then it truly means you've had hate in your heart for all your black students. D: That's your speech huh? M: It wasn't but I guess it could be. M: I'm tired of carrying that 300 lb beast on my back. Tired of looking at it and running from it. M: Think of what we've had to endure. D: It's crap. D: He was saying that so we get our people out. M: Exactly <clip> As has been mentioned, I have yet to come across a time when G was holding anything over M’s head. If M feels beholden to G, it’s only M’s perception, he is doing it to himself. In my mind, G has made it clear from the beginning that his using the veto was NOT about M at all, it was about G realizing that the reason people didn’t like M at first was because M was different, that perhaps the difference had to do with his race and sexual orientation and that was not a good reason to boot him out. Now, I realize that the way G said these things made G out to be a pompous a** (which he is), BUT... look back at the LFP that occurred about an hour before G’s veto speech. G, M and Lori were all having a conversation about this and that is when G came to his “revelation.” G talked on and on about this speech, how he prayed to God asking Him what his purpose in life was and maybe it was this moment, and how he had always wanted to make a speech like Dr. Martin Luther King. The whole time M is pumping G up, telling him that this is an important moment in G’s life. (I remember at the time, laughing my butt off at how ridiculous, dramatic and egocentric this whole conversation was! Like this show is soooo damn important!) So much for M’s contention that G had “never once talked really about making that stupid speech about racism & homosexuality.” Even WORSE, within days, M and Dani were together (in the hammock, I think) and they notice G is looking over their way. M says to D something like, look at him, over there, “thinking, thanks to me the darkies can talk to each other.” (I couldn’t find the exact post or date, but I did a search on the term “darkie” and it came up with the phrase I put in quotes and said it was from the Live Feed Archive from July12 through July 24.) Oh, so now M can read minds! Now he not only “knows” what G’s motivations were, but what he is thinking. It was at this moment I realized what an ungrateful, putrid little s*** M is. I challenge any of you Marcie-lovers to go back and read the live post from Monday, July 15, 10.22 AM, posted by Whit4U (and any of the other postings around that time). Compare what M said in that conversation and his attitude with the c**p coming outta his mouth now. Then try to convince me that M isn’t such a bad guy. Personally, I dislike every one of the houseguests but Jason and sometimes G (I wish he could stop thinking he needs to be a teacher all the time). They are all delusional and nasty and should I ever run into any of them here in El Lay (I live only a few miles from the BB House), I will not hesitate to tell them to their face. 007 |
Cathie | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:16 pm     Marc was one of my favs the first few weeks but has dropped way down on the list, almost down there with kiki now. I liked him better when Amy was around, but if Amy came back I would rather see him leave next and let Amy try to work things out with the rest by herself this time. I don't think Amy's 'just one vote' was aything more than just wanting one vote for Marcellas, Kalekona. She even suggested that they all get together and assign one person to be the designated voter, so that lead me to believe she wasn't trying to campaign to stay, just to get the one vote. |
Snee | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:44 pm     i'm trying to hang on. turn to the light, marcellas--go to the light! |
Serena | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:53 pm     Milesquade, great post! I agree that Marcellas is incredibly hypocritical and this is the primary reason he's fallen in my esteem. It's like he has to have someone to ridicule and rip into--- gotta be a superb*tch to someone. I appreciate your rigorous research on what he has said previously and how has spoken of Gerry recently. His charge of Gerry "grandstanding" is a pretty blatant case of the pot calling the kettle black :} I would love it if they got a host with some edge who would greet evictees with a montage of their hypocrisies. Everyone knows you'll have to misrepresent yourself strategically at some point, but Marcellas doesn't need to slag Gerry endlessly. It's tacky. |
Sonia | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:28 pm     I also have lost a lot of respect for him for the same reasons who have been written here. |
Lovemarc | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:44 pm     I think Marc is suffering from sexual frustration. Give the poor guy some privacy so he can take care of the problem. Another possibility is the fish out of water theory. He's locked in the house with people that he doesn't have much in common with. I wonder how many of these HG's he'd hang out with in the normal course of his life. Probably not many. Its probably a combination of the above. I don't blame him. I wouldn't survive long with these people & without any privacy for "private things." |
Sunriverose | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:46 pm     Well Folks, After really liking Marcellas and Amy for these many weeks, and after having a lot of respect for the way Danielle is playing to win, I have finally concluded that one person has really been over looked; Lisa. Since Eric has gone away, she has been much more visible. As an ally to the previous underdogs, she comes off as both smart and rather warm hearted. I am so glad that Roddy and Chiara have showed her their hands and that she is aware enough to realize where she stands with them. I bet she also realizes that Danielle is hoping to win this game, and so she is being careful not to alienate current hg's who she hopes may vote for her in the final vote. I think she behaves with class, balance, courtesy towards others, and still remains a most lovely face. I also think that when this is all over, it is Lisa who has the best chance of a continuing show business career. She does what she is supposed to do for the show, presents well, seems patient, gets along well with others, and generally looks like the only other bb3 cast member, besides Danielle, who could handle the professional demands of show business. I like her the best now, even though Danielle runs a very close second, and Marc, who was my fav, has now bored me with tooooo much repetition, just like Amy used to do. this post is by daughter of sunriverose, cause I cant recall my password... |
Jan | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:52 pm     daughter of sunriverrose I agree 100% with what you said. I have really been impressed with Lisa when I compare her to the others. My only fear is that Roddy said exactly the same thing about her to Josh today and I HATE to be in agreement with him! |
Off2cthwizrd | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:56 pm     Miles, I think the reason that Marcellus feels that Gerry was holding the veto thing over his head is because two or three times after Marc was "saved" Gerry called Marc "his protoge". No excuse for Marc's bahavior, though... |
Wiseolowl | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:11 pm     His his sexual preference and the frustrtion of fitting in, I believe is the defining aspect of his personality. Perhaps complicated by his race which may or may not be as tolerant of such diversity as the overall society. He said he didn't want to be another Bunky crying and showing emotion but he has. In the real world such traits may well be a valuable balancing mechanism and maybe that's why natural selection has included such people who have contributed so much to the human equation -- but in this hothouse where survival of the fittest as our society has generally defined it , he'a a fish out of water. Note: I use the word people generically-not as a code -trying to be politically correct |
Sunriverose | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:33 pm     Jan, et al. daughter here again, I do not worry about agreeing with Roddy, he is a rather rational man. I am not opposed to agreeing with someone who is right, even if I am not happy about it. I am curious though, what has Roddy said about Lisa recently? Rather I am concerned about agreeing with Marcellas, who is more unkind all the time. Oh Marc, why must you be so cruel??? |
Boberry | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:47 pm     My opinion of Marcellas has gone down tremendously since the first of the show. I think what topped it off was when he went to Gerry and talked to him about his cleanliness issues. While I think it was great that Marc went and talked to him in private, when Gerry made a comment about how he was surprised at how shallow the house guests were excluding Marc, Marc replied that Gerry shouldn't exclude him because he was the most shallow person there. So, not only is he ugly to people and petty, he also acknowledges that he is this way and doesn't seem to have a problem with it. And that pretty much says it all about a person. I'm very disappointed because Marcellas was my favorite person in the beginning. And the game goes on ... |
Cricket | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 04:06 pm     Excellent posts Milesquade and daughter of Sunriverrose. I too like Lisa a lot and right now I'd have to say she is my favorite. |
C1mag | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 04:24 pm     Lisa has risen all the way to the top for me as well. Hate to admit it but I like Gerry as well. I have been a big fan of Marc's humor but lately I've been disappointed with his comments. I have nothing wrong with lying, backstabbing, and strategizing. However, I've got a BIG problem with attacking someones appearance for the sake of venting. Marcellus crys about feeling like the outsider his whole life yet he works very hard to keep Gerry as the outsider by engaging in trash talking the mans appearance. He has said very RUDE comments about Gerrys family as well. He owes both Gerry and his family a big apology. I've come to the conclusion that I'd prefer to see Marc go sooner rather than later. |
Loppes | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 07:37 pm     I always held Lisa in the #1 regard. I find myself disliking Chiara even more than Tonya annoyed me. Lon |
Cathie | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:30 pm     Well, Marc dropped below KiKi on my list tonight when he was in the LR bashing the children of one of last year's HG. Very rude, inappropriate and IMO just plain mean statements! |
Teresah2000 | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 01:51 am     Marcellus has turned a *180 since he has been in the house, the first week, he was scared and insecure, he was the black gay guy, and wasn't sure how that would play, afer his veto, he made his first friend in Gerry, he was kind, nice, and very funny. He went to be at a normal time. Now, he is nothing but loud, rude, nasty, and nothing but a follower. He sits around cursing and talking gay smut all day, wearing that STUPID robe, insulting Jason to his face, and Gerry behind his back, but whines when someone hurts his widdle bitty feelings, God, I just want to smack him!!! But the good thimg out of it, I;m sure that all the little *hamsters* will read the boards and really find out what we and their former HG think of them! |
Wendo | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 02:29 am     What is my current opinion of Marcellas? Are you SURE you want me to go there? 'Cause I'll go "ghetto" over his a*s! |
Duchess | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 02:43 am     Great post Milesquade! I use to campaign for Marcellus though his ungrateful streak was nagging at the back of my head. Then he yelled at Amy for wanting one vote. That's when I noticed his cruelty. Marcellus was clearly rattled with the idea of being aligned with the least popular person(Gerry) in the house, who ironically was his savior, so he had to justify distancing himself by picking on Gerry. To me, Marcellus represents a pathetic juvenile outcast trying to belong to a popular group by taking an active part in their wolf pack mentality. |
Jan | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 04:50 am     Cyn I have to admit that I saw your post (made at 12:10PM Aug 14) for the first time this AM. I don't know how I missed it my first time through this thread. I did not see the two incidents that you spoke about but I agree with everything you said about them. Had Marc's remarks been made by a white person about a black person this board would have been in an uproar. In fact, since most if not all people on this board appear to be anti racism of any kind, I am really surprised that I have never seen that incident talked about before. I live in a Canadian town with a large Native American population and we wrestle with the same kind of remarks here. I get so angry every time I hear them. AS for the Kiki dance, I think you are right that most of us just are not aware of how distasteful Native Americans might find this. Many of us, as children, played at this and never really realized how distasteful it might seem to the Native American community...although in hindsight, we would certainly be very upset if others were to play at our spiritual routines as a joke. Marc had already fallen to an alltime low in my esteem meter but your remarks seal the deal for me. |
Kathyb | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 04:53 am     I too am finished with Marcellas. I thought he was smart, but his favoring Roddy over Danielle as an ally, is incredibly stupid. His cruelty to Gerry is unbearable. I'd like to see him nominated along with Gerry, but he goes and Gerry stays. That's how po'd I am at him. |
Jan | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 05:00 am     While I am no longer a Marc fan, I do have to ask why everyone thinks he is now a Roddy lacky? I thought that, after he was in the HOH with Rod and kik, he met with Dani and told her how much Roddy had lied to him in that room. I just assumed he was not taken in at all but was trying to cover his own ass. Did I miss something? |
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