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Rememberamy

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani quietly indicated to Chi that she needed to lay low and that the game wasn't over yet. Dani would prefer that Roddy go first; shes afraid that he might win HOH next time and put up Jason and herself; since Rod lost faith in Jason for helping to evict Eric. So if Dani can swing it, she'll get Amy to conceed to let Chi stay (never). Irregardless, Dani controls Lisa and Jasons votes and that makes 3 to evict Roddy; irregardless of the promise to Amy.

This telling Chi to lay low is like the warning that Gerry gave Josh last week to lay low. Josh wouldn't listen; caused flare-ups and ruined himself. Chi may do the same unless that Dani reveals to her that she has the 3 votes that will evict Roddy.

2 bad that that won't keep Chi from whimpering and crying because Chi wants it all; Roddy saved by POV and herself saved by Dani controlling the votes against the replacement nom. Won't happen; best Chi can hope for is Roddy going instead of herself; but she'll still be mad because she doesn't want to be in the house without ol Roddy.

f/k/a hardywins

Csnog

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think they will use this twist again.

Merritt was waiting for Josh when he left the house.

No one was waiting for the other 4 HG's.

Bailey

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggieprice wrote:
"Dani never promised anything, and she was right to point out the POV situation to Amy. This is good playing, plain and simple".
I beg to differ... Dani most certainly did promise Amy that Chiara would be voted out this week. She even guaranteed her that she already had the 3 votes needed to get Chiara out.

Justshirley

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy and Marcellas are both WAY too susceptible to Roddy's charms. Add in the strange bond between Roddy and Gerry, and you have a lethal threat to the Dani/Jason/Lisa alliance. Danielle is absolutely right to do anything she needs to do in order to remove that threat from the house right now. And that includes outright lying.

Once they are safely past the POV ceremony, Danielle can go into damage control mode with Marcellas and Amy. Amy may be harder to convince of the logic of getting rid of Roddy, but the beauty of this is that Amy is not eligible for HoH next week.

I really believe, though, that Danielle will not have any problem with Marc and Amy. Marc is already well aware of the fact that Danielle really wants Roddy gone. And Danielle can play into Amy's dislike of Chiara by saying that Chiara is too stupid to go far in the game, that they could get rid of her any time, but that Roddy was smart enough to beat them all.

And if Danielle is as smart as I think she is, she will enlist Lisa to help her start pumping Chiara for info on anything negative Roddy has said about Amy and Marc. They can then pass those tidbits along to Marc and Amy to help illustrate why Roddy had to be gotten rid of.

Danielle is a force to be reckoned with. I believe she will probably make it to the final two. Once she is there, however, I think she'll walk with the $50,000. She is damn good at this game, but she knows it. Her smugness and bragging in the DR will be her undoing. (That, combined with the fact that several HGs have expressed distaste for her "crying poverty" approach to "deserving" to win.) I predict that either Jason or Lisa is thisclose to being a half-millionaire.

Lilacs04

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggie -- They didn't "lose" an opportunity, they had a perfect chance to evict Roddy with NO reprisal from Chiara because she couldn't win HOH the next week. Assuming Amy's return would have been the same (no real reason why it wouldn't have been) and she still won HOH, Chiara would have gone out with no problem. Amy would have had no hopes of being with Roddy and would have had no problem evicting Chiara. I was rooting for Dani but this whole let's-play-with-Amy's-emotions thing is not sitting well with me. Trust me, I like Amy but I never preferred her to Danielle.

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did I miss something? Did Dani actually give her word to Amy? This woman doesn't give her word easily. Can someone refer me to the feed post, etc. where that happened? I'm completely bedridden with sciatica so I thought I'd seen everything! (NOT the way to get more time on the boards btw-incredibly painful!)

Rememberamy

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Dani told Amy that she could guarantee 3 votes to evict Chi if Amy didn't put up Jason. Amy bought it. Dani plans to betray Amy with Lisa and Jason evicting Roddy. Only Marci and Gerry will vote to evict Chi and maybe not then if contronted with the way Dani has arranged it.

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lilac- I do know that. I was disappointed in all of them but I did see it as siginificant that they all gave their word. I think they know they blew it and can't let this one pass.I don't see how telling Amy about the POV was playing with her emotions- it was realistic logic, imo. Now last night in HOH with Roddy? The smoothest piece of manipulation I have seen yet. I was mesmerized- and a little ill too.

BTW I am here marvelling yet again at what great people there are on the boards- the lively spirited exchanges here have been a wonderful part of this summer for me. Thank you all!

Lilacs04

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggie: This is what the LFPs have as far as the Dani/Amy convo:
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re above AMy/Dani conversation. Amy had said to Gerry "I just hope I have no reason to cry on Thursday night" (meaning Chiara better be the one evicted not Roddy). Gerry said well you just might be and then started talking about when he was HOH. THis took Amy aback and that's when she cut him off and said she might change it up after all..that she had to talk to Dani

Next thing I heard was Dani saying to Amy "I would never do that" and Amy being very relieved.
(ed:Dani..liar liar your pants are on fire)
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It's hard to know EXACTLY what Danielle said but "I would never do that" sure as hell sounds like a promise.

Bailey

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggie, If I can find the posts I'll show you. But it was discussed numerous times today. It's the reason I'm so outraged about Dani.
BTW, I hope you feel better soon.

Spree17

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think if dani and lisa and jason get rid of chihora next week amy will understand. Roddy is too dangerous to keep giving 2nd chances too. Thats why its importnat till the pov is over to keep dani, lisa and jason quiet. Once pov is done they can work damage controll and bye bye roddy. They might even be able to make marcy see roddys true colors.

Justshirley

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lilac -- they didn't have the perfect chance to evict Roddy last week once Roddy instigated the confrontation in the backyard. Prior to that, Danielle and Lisa believed that they could get Marc to join with them to vote Roddy out, but after that happened, they knew that there was no way they could count on Marc's vote. They also didn't feel that they could rely on Gerry. As far as Jason, he was "off limits" last week, according to Danielle. I think that had to do with the promise he had made to Chiara, combined with the fact that he just didn't feel right voting Roddy out before Josh (not that he would have held it against the others if they had done it).

This week, Jason has not promised anything to anyone, and since he is close to both Roddy and Chiara, and must choose one of them, I think he feels like nobody could hold his choice against him. Smart kid.

Lilacs04

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggie -- I think playing the POV angle was a smart one, the playing-with-Amy's-emotions is telling her they'll vote out Chiara when they have no intention of doing so. Yes, they're playing the game but I'm feeling sorry for Amy and for ME. Chiara will self-destruct without a fawning male and it won't be pretty. Just seems that everyone really cared about how Chiara would feel if they went against their word but they don't give a flying fig about Amy who is/was a potential ally. But since I dislike Chiara intensely and would like to see her gone as soon as possible (and even more for her to sweat it out knowing that Roddy and Amy are in the house together), I'm more than a little biased.

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I did hear that exchange- but we do not know what she said she would never do...I am wishing I could see the promise of 3 votes too because it surprises me that Dani would promise that (well, 3 for Chiara to go anyway-lol)

I am having trouble rooting for Dani too, btw, and I am not sure why. I find myself rooting for Lisa, of all people. Is it the pain meds?


Thanks Bailey-my husband had to photograph a wedding without me today and I hate that...

Vonne

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Auntiedotcom
Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:30 pm
ahah! lisa says to dani that amy and marcellus are gonna f'in kill us. dani says no, they will have to understand.


Why? Because she says so? *ugh* I haven't liked Danielle's game playing from the beginning but this just hits an all time low.

I feel bad for Amy I don't see her understanding at all, she really wants Chiara gone while she's HOH. That's the reason she tried so hard to come back in for goodness sake.

I agree with crazydog that she will lose Amy's vote in the end. As for Marcellas' vote, it will depend who's sitting beside her as to how he's going to vote. If Gerry somehow makes it through to the end (which I sadly don't see happening) there is no way Marcellas will vote for him.

I do have to wonder why anybody would align themselves with her, they all know she's after the big money and all seem okay with that. If they didn't want the $500,000.00 why did they agree to do this show in the first place?

If Roddy goes this week I'll just have to pin my hopes to Lisa's alter ego "The Princess of Darkness" coming out with a vengence and walking away with the big money

Sportsmom1714

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you all so much for filling me in on what's going on. I swear my mind can't keep up with these people! Sometimes I feel like the guy who is trying to figure out who's on first base in that Abbott and Costello skit Who's on First! Yikes!!

Moedog

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marc was part of a deal last week to boot Roddy, not Josh. When the Roddy/Josh confrontation went down, Marc jumped in with his emotion and whined and whined and told Dani he was going to vote Josh out instead of Roddy. Dani backed down because she didn't know if she could count on Gerry as the 3rd vote against Roddy. Marc agreed that if they could get Roddy up the next week he would vote Roddy out. Granted, at that time they didn't know Amy would be returning and would be the perfect vehicle for putting Roddy up for eviction, but nonetheless Marc made that deal prior to telling Amy he'd stand behind her choice of losing Chiara. Marc in effect was double-dealing against Dani, and Dani needed to accomplish what they had agreed to during the Roddy/Josh week.

As to Amy, oh well. She came back into the house not knowing the current situation. Chiara and Gerry can go up when the next nom is available to them. That may satisfy both Marc and Amy. Let the house decide.

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Perhaps it is easier for them to betray Amy because they resent her return to the house and her messing with their own plans. Just a guess. And Marc seems to be going whichever way the wind blows, imo. I feel his alliance with D/J is over.

Nermal

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't forget that Danielle only had to resort to this "lie" because Amy lied to her, Jason and Lisa. In the HOH competition they agreed to get out and let her be HOH if she was going to put up Chiara and Roddy. They didn't promise who they would vote for at that time. Then Roddy manipulated Amy for over an hour and got her to go back on her word to save him.

Jason, Lisa and Danielle would not have given her HOH if she hadn't said she'd put up Roddy and Chiara. Danielle lying to Amy to put this back how it was agreed between them is similar to lying when a thief asks if you have any money hidden from him.

Stingerman

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ok Spree17 and all you others who can justify screwing people over think of this.

I'm playing a game of chess with you the prize for winning is 500,000.00. I tell you to your face that I won't move pieces on you or I won't cheat you in any way. The minute your back is turned I move some off your pieces and steal some of them as well. So you end up losing the game but!!!!!

Ohh well it's only a game right!!! It doesn't matter that I screwed you over right!!!!!

Even playing a game there should be at least some common courtesy and fair play.

Moedog

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If I turned my back while playing chess for $500,000., then I DESERVE to get screwed out of it. Get real.

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing you missed Stingerman is that before we played the game the rules were laid out which were, there will be twists and turns, expect the unexpected, and we will mind-f**k you every chance we get. At the end of 90 days you may walk away with 500,000 but for your trouble you will get compensated every week. Want to sign on my dotted line?

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nermal- lol! You articulated it for me.

Stinger- do you really think you can play this game without some lying and manipulating? I don't.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One thing people have to remember is that the HOH's power stops at the nominations. The HOH doesn't get to decide WHO is evicted. That is up to the other hgs to decide. The HOH can't say "this is the target and this is the decoy, so vote for the target or else". It just doesn't work that way.

Lilacs04

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nermal, when did that happen?!? Wasn't Chiara out there for a great portion of the time? And I thought Dani left under the pretext of being grossed out (even though she revealed it was strategy)...Lisa and Jason stayed quite a bit longer so it didn't seem that they secured a C/R nomination from Amy, though they probably assumed that's what she'd do.