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Keiffer

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Again iof the noms do end up R/C do you really think that Dan is hot to get Roddy out because he is "the devil"? No of course not she knows that Chiara blindly believes everything she ever says while Roddy would question her. I'm not sure which vote would be smarted for Lisa, but it doesnt matter now because she went from eric doing her thinking to Danny doing her thinking.

BTW I would just love if the "danny plan" for getting Roddy out was exposed. Turns out that her and Lisa vote to evict him, but Marcy, Gerry, and Jason vote to evict Chiara. WOuld be nice once to see how Danny handles something not happening the way she wants it to.

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
San Fran you are right, Dani just spoke to Lisa and they will keep their vote secret from everyone will not reveal anything till after the POV. If this blows up in Danis face this will be her fall.

Dani told Lisa this is the time to play for themselves. So it all comes down to Amy, whether she puts Roddy up or not.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oooooh....it's really gettin' good now!

Yesterday in other threads I posted that I was sure that Chia was out this week (barring a POV save) but already things have turned around enough that I think I may have to withdraw that prediction! LOL

That's what I love about this year's BB. Everyone is truly out for themselves and they are playing the HELL outta this game!

Now I gotta add that if somehow Dani had actually convinced Amy to nom Roddy, after Roddy had convinced Amy to NOT nom Roddy, then their powers of manipulation are fairly well balanced! ....Or maybe Dani is a step ahead. Roddy only charmed Amy to be nice to him and not nominate him. If Dani strategically convinced Amy to nom Roddy, while promising to evict Chia, all the while planning on a double cross, then Dani has soared a whole lap ahead of Roddy on the manipulation racetrack!. (that is, IF that's what Dani actually did....a short time ago in the bathroom, I saw her telling Amy that she had "secured three votes" and Amy smiled and nodded, so that is what I am assuming at this point)

Jan

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well it is a good plan. Right after Roddy is gone Dani will say to Kiki see I told you I had your back.

That gives her herself Kiki Lisa and Jason against Marc and Amy with Gerry uncommittted.

Looks good for Dani..but will amy do it???

Also, if it gets done, I can see Marci and Amy coming after Dani big time!

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What is GREAT is that Dani has promised Amy that it will be chiara evicted. Dani has already talked to Jason and Lisa about not revealing who they will vote for till after the POV which means, lying to Marcellas and Amy. Then the Dani, Jason and Lisa block vote Roddy out. Marcellas is going to blow, he will make Dani's life miserable that his boy is out, Amy will be furious and so will Gerry. Then you have a new alliance of Marcellas Amy and Gerry. marcellas will choke over this alliance but it will be his only shot.

Roddy going will be the most exciting television that is for sure.

Espen

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Amy does indeed put up Roddy and Chiara, it will be a short term win for Danielle... However, the true test then will be to see how Roddy's power of manipulation can affect the veto contest and the vote itself.. In the veto contest, he has Chiara in his pocket.. but his best chance is probably the vote itself, where he can really start leveraging Gerry, Marcellus and Jason.. If he is successful, he does deserve to stay, and if he doesn't he clearly is not as good as he thinks and deserves to leave..
But I agree, Maris, the true fireworks will be if Roddy leaves, when both Amy and Marcellus might get mad at Dani for "betraying" Amy...

Watching2

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Keiffer. What I find the most distasteful about what Danni does is the name-calling she does behind everyone's back. Roddy may be manipulating people's minds, but he doesn't walk away and bad-mouth them the way Danni does. What I wondered was why everyone was so down on Roddy for manipulating, while she's manipulating all the people who think she is their friend. I don't think she could beat Jason in the final two. She'll dump him when she finds he's too much of a threat. The thing is, yes, it IS a GAME, so manipulating is expected.

Even though Roddy gets to be a lot of hot air and boring with all his "facts" at times, sometimes I wonder if people hate him because he is good looking and smart and it makes him easy to hate. I think whoever said that was right! (sorry can't remember who said it's easier to hate the "beautiful" people!

I was so happy to come back after a nap and find this thread had taken off! ;) I was getting tired of the Roddy bashing when other people are doing the same things and being nasty about it. Personally, I would love others to find out she's not so "I've got your back," nice. When Chiara did it to Lisa, she was a liar and bad person because she's easy to dislike because of her antics. Well, they're all liars.. it's a game!! Someone ring the bell for the next round!!! :)

Bbrules4ever

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SO IS DANNI A BAD PERSON FOR BREAKING HER "WORD"???

OPINIONS PLEASE!

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Last night in another convo with Lisa, Dani was saying that she wanted Roddy out in a 3 to 2 vote, NOT unanimous....she did not want it to be obvious who voted for who.

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFLMAO Bb, NO BECAUSE THEY ARE THE DEVIL.

Bailey

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dani is way more manipulative than Roddy.. she's also a lot more deceitful. If it's true that she's tricking Amy into nom'ing R & C and guaranteeing Amy she has the votes to get Chiara out.. than that is beyond evil, imo. I can't imagine what everyone would think if Roddy did the same thing.. the Roddy haters here would go nuts!
The more Dani slimes her way thru this game.. the more I like Roddy's style of playing. I know I'm in the minority here.. but I can't get over what a disgraceful display of gamesmanship Dani is portraying.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Right now...Rod and Chia talking....Roddy believes that Dani is gunning for him. Chia is convinced that Dani will never vote her out, even if she is up against Jason.

Roddy is being smart....Chia is being dumber than a box of hair.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now Chia is saying how much she hates Amy....and that if she wins veto she will save Roddy, but that if she stays without Roddy it would be awful.

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yes Sanfran, dumb as a post.

Jan

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well she did just say, if it is the two of them and no veto save, she will tell them to vote her out and save Roddy.

Wow she really does like the guy. She is pulling a Shannon

Watching2

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bailey wrote:

<<I think Dani is way more manipulative than Roddy.. she's also a lot more deceitful. If it's true that she's tricking Amy into nom'ing R & C and guaranteeing Amy she has the votes to get Chiara out.. than that is beyond evil, imo. I can't imagine what everyone would think if Roddy did the same thing.. the Roddy haters here would go nuts!
The more Dani slimes her way thru this game.. the more I like Roddy's style of playing. I know I'm in the minority here.. but I can't get over what a disgraceful display of gamesmanship Dani is portraying. >>

I totally agree with you Bailey!!!! If Roddy did what Danielle did he would be Satan's son and next in line to take over the underworld. ROFL

I like the way Roddy is playing as opposed to Danielle. She's playing mean and if he can pull this off being smooth and not nasty to anyone, I say, SHOW HIM THE MONEY! LOL

Strkaholic

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would like D a whole lot more if she did not badmouth everyone so much and was not such a hypocrit (sp?). As it is now, I don't like her one bit. Her word is gold right??? LOL.

Wendo

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jumping in...I have been a vocal poster about Roddy. I have no problem with people manipulating and lying in the game to advance their position. In fact, I've commented many times that I believe Roddy is an excellent player and a likely final two. His strategy has worked brilliantly so far.

My objection to Roddy is his style of manipulation. He is a master mind-f*cker. He shoots in, reads the HG's, finds their weaknesses, and exploits them. Look at Chiara, if they both go up she's now willing to ask to be voted out. How crazy is that. Josh too. Here's a guy who was trying to save himself when he was nommed. What happens? Roddy swoops in and demolishes him on the basketball court. His manipulations just seem so insidious and devious.

I guess I look at it this way. After the game is over, Roddy's manipulations, to me, seem much more hurtful than Dani's do. That the HG's who've been manipulated will feel much more hurt and destroyed afterwards. Whereas with Danielle her manipulations seem so much more benign.

But hey, these are just my opinions and they mean nothing in the grand scheme of things and in the game. It's fascinating to read other posters thoughts, so keep 'em coming.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo I agree with you 100%!!!

Zeyna

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What is worse: someone manipulating to think a certain way or backstabbing you and talking trash about you to others? For me, if someone was able to brainwash me, I would put the blame on myself for letting them. If someone was backstabbing me, I would put the blame on them for doing so. This is why I truly beleive Danielle has no chance of winning in the end, and Roddy just might.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani is playing it pretty heavy the last few days. It does make Roddy angelic in comparison. I no longer know who I prefer between the two of them. I used to like Dani better. Now I'm kinda' ambivilent.

Rod

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
come join me on the Lisa bandwagon. It's lonely over here. I jumped ship from marci and Dani due to all the badmouthing..but I can't find anyone else over here on my new wagon.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Lisa, except for her Gerry bashing. Gerry has never said a negative thing about Lisa, but she has been cruel. However, she has backed way off on that since Eric left. I may join the Lisa bandwagon. Not sure where else I want to camp right now...

And there were the 'good' people commments.

Hmmm.....

Curlyq

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If I had to choose between the two, I'd pick the one who went back on her word regarding a vote as opposed to the one who toyed with my heart. I wouldn't mind being out-strategized, but if someone was taking advantage of my emotional vulnerabilities and playing games with my heart I would nail them to the wall. Roddy makes this way too personal.

I'm liking Gerry more and more these days.

Penpoint

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Rod, since at this point Lisa is just one of Danielle's puppets, I don't know if you have enough to fill a new wagon.