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Webkitty

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Danni is just as manipulative as Roddy, they just have different sytles.

Actually, imo, this years group is in a class by itself are far as manipulations, liquid alliances, backdoor deals and all around non-stop ~playing the game~ Each one has a different style, but each one has their game face on.

Because of this, I find I can't link who I like to who is playing the game the "best"

The only two who were out of their element in this were Lori and Tonya. They are out of the house for a reason, and not BACK in the house for a reason.

As far a Danni goes, I was taken aback when I read her bio and her DR entries confirm this feeling to me. Her desperation for the money is a turn off and I just can't "like" her.
I don't fault her for wanting to win, why even go into the house if don't? Its her style, I just can't warm up to it. Take it for what it worth

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani is not as effective a manipulator as Roddy. Look at the major endeavors she tried, all failed. First, when Marcellas was HOH she wanted to save Josh from nomination and she couldnt even use the POV when she won it. Second, in last weeks vote Jason would not vote Roddy out and didnt want to be involved in her strategy. She is surrounded by strong willed people unlike Roddy. Even this morning, it was Jason telling HER, talk to Lisa - make sure lisa doesnt discuss her vote. Dont do anything till after POV. Jason looked like the one in charge and organizing the strategy this week.

I don't see Dani succeeding because I dont think she has the brains for it.

Goddessatlaw

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris - I don't think she even thinks she has the brains for it. Remember that remark about PMS and the presidency? Me too. I'd rather see Roddy win than her - and that's a HARSH REALITY.

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess, I would rather see Gerry win than her and that is bad, although I would turn off the acceptance speech after fifteen minutes. .

Goddessatlaw

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, jeez, Maris now let's not get hasty. LOL.

Kearie

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think if Dani would have pushed Jason a little bit he would have voted Roddy out. This week he is willing to vote Roddy out.

I also think that because Jason doesn't always vote the way his alliance would have him...it helps cover the fact that there is an alliance.

I completely see Why they wanted to be certain that if they voted for Roddy's eviction, he would be the one to go. As it stands, it wasn't certain so it was best that they voted unanimously against Josh. In doing this, they covered up exactly Who and How many were a threat to Roddy. I think it was planned to get Roddy out or let him feel safe.

I don't think they were ready to show their hand to Roddy. They will oust him when they are sure he will be gone.

Certainly, they are taking a risk.
I think if Jason and Chia are put up, Roddy will vote Chia out now.

Onlymytulips

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
manipulation = GOOD
getting caught = BAD

Keiffer

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alright.... Danny uses name calling in a way to get what she wants. the "give it a name" line is old and worked for me at this point. Calling Roddy and Chiara and Gerry names non-stop to try and take the spot light off of her. I'm not really sure all of her manipulation attempts have failed either. The week Lisa and Eric were up here moves all worked. She got to keep the one that blindly believes everything she says (you dont think she kept Lisa because she's a woman do you?), and she was able to do it in a way that didn't expose her alliance that just happened to all vote the same way. In my view she has been more succesful than ROddy becuase she still has all her alliance Roddy has one out of 5 left.

I would also like to point out that Danny has been able to stand next to Jason without having to pay anything for doing it yet. That is when it will really count. Roddy has had all but Chaira up for eviction so of course he has had to make decisions. Danny has not had to do the same thing.

Bottom line they both try to persuade people to think like they do, just Roddy does it by general conversation, and Danny does it through lies, name calling... and if that doesnt work a bit of heavy handness, like we saw last night in her first conversation with Amy.

Bbrules4ever

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
yes, I agree "Danielle is just as bad as Roddy with maniuplating others"

--BUT---the manipulation is not bad per se, as is the INTENT behind it........DAnielles intent has a goodness about it....she does seem to care about other hg's

Roddys manipulations are more heartless! And plus I dont get the feeling Roddy has any "real" connection to these houseguests, its all smoke and mirrors for him to get the half mill.

Ellenkats

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
>>Roddys manipulations are more heartless! And plus I dont get the feeling Roddy has any "real" connection to these houseguests<<
Bbrules -- yes -- that's it. If everyone was playing equally cutthroat, then Roddy's efforts wouldn't offend me so much. I think most of the other HGs, while wanting the money, also really wanted the experience, chance to make friends, etc too. jmo
Go Daniiiiiii!

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I disagree with the statement that "Danielle is just as bad as Roddy with maniuplating others"

I think she is just as GOOD "as Roody at manipulating others"...after all this is a strategy game, not a popularity contest like BB1 was.

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran you think she is good? I think she has great ideas just isnt very good at the execution of her plans.

Espen

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have always been curious as to how anyone here knows what Roddy's intent is as opposed to Danielle? Aren't both their intents to win 500K, whatever the short term "cost" to their image on the outside? I hate to bring gender into this, but it seems like many people are associating the way Roddy is playing the game with bad experiences in their own lives.. That said, if Roddy really *is* like this on the outside, I would be among the first to condemn him.. Just like I now really don't respect Will, as he really has come across as arrogant even after the game is over.. Whereas during the game, I had to admire his ability to play the game..

Keiffer

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Has Roddy shown in some way a real dislike for people then turned around and acted like he cares for them? IF he has then I for sure do not remember it happening. I suppose people are projecting that suspension on his behavior, but can't point to any action to show it.

You can do that with Danny though. She acts like she is Chiara older siter while with her, talks about only having a word with her, and acts as if she cares about what Chiara says... then as soon as Marcy and Lisa are the only ones in the room she is calling Chiara evil, or satan or something. You don't show how you "care" for othe HG's by calling them names.

Jan

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
espen I can only go by what his friends had to say about him...he could get a ride on an airplane without a ticket..in other words he is used to charming and manipulating people..or, at least, they are used to it in him

Zeyna

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Espen your commet made me wonder about Roddy. So far, he hasn't been as money hungry like Danielle. I think his biggest goal, even more than the money, is to come across a certain way on TV. He worries sooo much about what he says and what will be on tape and how everyone will percieve him...to the point that he will lose the game rather than break his word and be disliked. I really think his intention is to PROVE to everyone that a player does not need to be like Will to win and is trying to play the complete opposite of what Will was. Just an observation...

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Sanfran you think she is good?"

Sure do....she has managed to make alliances with Jason while keeping Chia convinced that she is still on her side...she has managed to ally with Lisa, pulling her away from the Roddy/Chia camp. She has managed to never use a POV and never appear threatening enough or hateful enough to yet be considered for nomination (until last night when Roddy was bringing up Dani's name to Amy as a nomination option). The name of the game is keeping the majority of folks on your side so they won't evict you. So far, she's been pretty good at that,

Espen

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jan, hmm true.. I forgot about his "friends" on the outside.. They did seem pretty arrogant.. though being an effective manipulator on the outside as such is not really bad unless people are intentionally being hurt in the process.. Not saying he doesn't do this, but it would be interesting to hear the opinions of some ex-girlfriends or something to prove this is true..Anyone heard anything like this?

Bbrules4ever

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danni just told lisa RODDY is "THE DEVIL" and he *will* go this week....but know one will know till the vote comes down!!!!


i love surprises heheheheheheh!!!!!!!!1

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani just said to Lisa Roddy is the devil. She told her not to discuss her vote till after the POV. He must go this week. Now its the time for them to look out for themselves. So its Dani, Jason and Lisa. "here we go" said Dani. They will lie to everyone. Only Dani, Jason and Lisa will share info with each other.

Shannonu

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I posted this in the Roddy slipping by thread.

Well Roddy has finally admitted/slipped up that he is playing people. Last night when he and Marcellas went inside Roddy said that he couldn't believe how wrong Marcellas was about him and that he can't wait to see the tapes after he got out. Then he called himself a f'g MASTERMIND.
Mar didn't seem to get the implications of that.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure but I *think* Dani just talked to Lisa about voting out Roddy, because as she put it, "I think it's time to do the best thing for US, no matter what she wants."

Btw, has Amy given "her FINAL answer" yet to anyone about who she is nominating? Has she been convinced to nom Roddy and Chia and promised that Roddy will be safe?

Goddessatlaw

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
More delusions of adequacy from Master Roddy. Do it never end?

Jan

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
didn't his longtime ex girlfriend dump him espen

Espen

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zeyna, hmm.. interesting.. You are right in that even though Roddy and Will are similar in the way they are avoiding eviction (so far) they are indeed playing a different game.. Will played it like Josh (or rather Josh like Will) by being hated, yet he was enjoyable enough to be around that noone wanted him out just to stop being annoyed with him..

Roddy is truely trying to win this whole thing purely through exploiting other peoples insecurities in a way that is not actually a lie, but makes them feel he is a person they have no right to hate..

Ironically, Jason is doing something similar, except he is acting like such a model citizen that noone feels they have a right to hate him..

Even Danielle is using a similar strategy, in that she uses her hardships in life to make people feel they cannot hate her...

Did I say I loved this season yet? These guys are really PLAYING..