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Archive through August 17, 2002
Watching2 | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:30 am     I haven't seen a topic started on this, although it's been mentioned in some of the threads. Danielle is using everyone to do her dirty work. She talks just as much about people behind their backs and lies to everyone. I'm getting to dislike her more and more as this game goes on and I really liked her at first. She's just so blatant about having control of everyone. I want to see her up for eviction and see how she handles it! I think that would make for good TV besides seeing the "expected" people nominated! |
Wcv63 | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:32 am     Keiffer...this topic is sooooo made for you! |
Rod | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:45 am     while it is true that Dani manipulates as much as Roddy she does it in an entirely different way. She does it without ....I don't know I am searching for the right word here. When she tells people something it seems to be the truth and she gives them a choice. When Roddy tells them, he seems to be manipulating and I can see him twirling his waxed moustache in his mind..(you know those old silent movie villians) Anyway, I think I will join the Lisa bandwagon. Anyone know where it is?? |
Maris | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:48 am     Shhhhhhhhhhhh Rod, Lisa bandwagon still under the radar. Our Miss Lisa is doing very well without any attention being drawn to her. |
Patman | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:34 am     I laughed when Lisa was mimicking Danielle's "I keep my mouth closed, and my eyes wide open" comment to Josh while making the same Danielle gestures as she was saying the lines. I'm like, "are you in 4th grade or something, Lisa?" |
Bkmac | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:37 am     Well yes you are right. People identify more with Dani though because she leads the "normal" people. If she were leading the "beautiful" people we'd hate her too. |
Gina8642 | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:42 am     They are all manipulating each other. Marc - -He's playing Gerry, making G think they are tight. -He's playing R, making him think they owe each other something, telling R secrets from other alliance. -He's playing Dani, saying he is going along with her Dani - - She's playing M, making him seem like part of clique, but telling nearly all her strat to Li - She's playing Chi, telling her 'I got your back, blah, blah' to Chi at hottub last night, then backstabbing her to Li afew minutes later. - She's playing Li, cause Li doesn't know how tight she is with Ja - Maybe she is playing Ja. Who with a mind like Dani's seriously wants to go up with Jason at the end? Ok, there are just two folks, and a few of the games they are playing. No One is innocent of 'playing' in this game. As it should be!!! |
Seamonkey | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:01 am     Dani has already bumped Marcellas from top three (her version of the world) and included Lisa. Now saying she's moral, etc. (but of course on tape we have her trashing Lisa over jumping in bed, and flaunting her body, peanut butter bikinis, etc.) Roddy has at least been HOH and had to put himself on the line. Roddy's been nominated. Dani won Power of Veto but put it back in the box. She talks BIG about how she would be and how others should do this and that but she's not been nominated (and is actively threatening everyone about just how horrible it would be if she was) and she's avoided HOH like the plague.. each week she tells someone "we" have to get it next time, but she means "you".. then she'll try to influence their nominations. Dani stays quiet for the most part.. Yes she went "ghetto" with Lori but since most of the pretty people were in with Dani on her gripe session, that was pretty safe. Dani wanted Roddy out, but she's the one who went to Marcellas about Josh, M then went to Roddy, the fight ensued and Josh was gone. Dani was just one of the wimps who folded and didn't call Roddy on anything in that fight, just clapped like seals. I've never seen Dani defend anyone publicly. Marcellas has been nominated twice, lost and regained his friend, put himself on the line publicly (as has Roddy) to protect someone who wasn't popular. Marcellas has been HOH and put his nominations out there. Not a one of them is even close to perfect, including Jason. Dani is a bully, Roddy is a seducer.. Seduction feels better going down; both can be fatal. |
Chelle | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:05 am     I have been saying for a while that Dani is very manipulative. She knew Chiara was ripped up over the Lisa thing and exploited it. I never really liked Danielle much, because of her basically saying she needs the money more than anyone else. Just because Lisa, Chiara, and Amy didn't get pregnant as teens doens't mean that they couldn't use the money. If we only wanted someone with a tough life to get the money we would have BB for the poor and down trodden. That may be harsh, but I don't think your standing in life should dictate wether or not you should win. I will be disappointed if Danielle wins. One thing about will is that I never remember him making things up about this other HG's. I may remember incoreectly, but as far as I remember Will's lies were never painful to the others. 'Chelle |
Battlestar | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:06 am     I knew Danielle would drop Marcellas---she is not be homophobic, but there is no way she would try to take a gay man to the final 3 with her. |
Spunky | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:07 am     I agree with Rod....(how on earth did you get that username??). Said exactly what I think too. Besides, so far Danielle has conceded she can't beat Roddy, his power over Amy is something she can't control... Did Roddy concede Danielle is the best player?? Not yet anyway.. |
Penpoint | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:12 am     Bkmac, I don't think there are "normal" people or "beautiful" people in the house. Who would they be? Danielle leads/manipulates everyone except Roddy. And sometimes I'm not sure she doesn't have him fooled. Of course, on some subjects, some of her followers may think or act for themselves--and thank god they do or there would be no excitement as we watch Danielle march to collect the prize. The great difference between Roddy and Danielle is that Roddy is basically polite and respectful of others while Danielle goes around spreading her poison about her target's "nasty" characteristics. And of course she gives everyone a personal touch as she oh-so-sincerely lies to their face. The other difference is that she has been successful in completely fooling everyone, using her big-sister, poor-woman-needs-the-money-for-her-family, righteous schtick, and inserting herself into the middle of every grouping. She never for one moment gives it a rest. We have no idea who the real Danielle Reyes is. Is there any way to get rid of this diabolical diva? |
Sisalou | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:14 am     Of course she is. I'm sure that is one of the reasons they were chosen for the show. They both have different ways of manipulating and I don't think we can count either one out at this point in the game. On one hand I have to say Roddy is the smoothest, but then again Danielle hasn't even been nominated yet. So I can't decide who is the best yet. Jason is an excellent manipulator also. He just doesn't seem as desperate as Dani or Roddy. I like that about him. He lays back and stays calm. But someone is going to have to step up the plate soon and it will probably get really hairy then. |
Goddessatlaw | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:15 am     Wcv, that's funny - I saw the thread title and immediately thought "Keiffer's picking a fight I've got to get in there and take a few swings." Ya, Dani's every bit the manipulator that Roddy is, except she seems to be better at it so far. Difference is Dani does the manipulating herself; Roddy up til recently had his band of marauding huns bully people on his behalf (with or without his prior knowledge) and therefore Roddy remained clear of animus while the others are now getting sh*tcanned. It's going to be fun watching him try and get his way without having a single menacing ally amongst the HGs. I think last night's little tantrum over that game they were playing is just a warm up for the next couple of weeks. A control freak who is losing control can be a force to be reckoned with. I want to see what he does to try to get it back. |
Battlestar | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:17 am     In a conversation with Gerry right now --Dani mentions something about 'Always pleasing the customer' in reference to how she is playing the game. That is how she is playing this game--she is treating everyone like customers and she gives each one what they want or what they perceive they want. |
Chelle | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:19 am     There is one thing I forgot. Danielle has basically made deals with all of them except Roddy and Chiara to be in the final three. It is bound to blow up in her face. |
Dfwteddy | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:22 am     Have I missed something? When has Danielle effectively gotten anyone to do anything? She's running around trying to pull the strings, but has she ever been successful? Dani's 'I'ma-coulda-shoulda...' plotting has produced no results yet. |
Goddessatlaw | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:22 am     PS I don't see Dani winning the game - Roddy, Marc, Amy or Gerry would be willing to put her up and may be able to get the votes to get her out at this point. I even foresee Lisa going after her a little later in the game. Yes, Dani's been manipulative but it has worked in favor of the group self-interest so far. Having done the dirty work to rid the house of most of the core four, I think Dani's the target when the remaining crush of hominids implodes. |
Kearie | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:30 am     I think Dani and Jason are both playing the game wonderfully. Come on people, the name of the game is manipulation. Either you play the game and manipulate or you sit back and hope to coast through. I think one of the reasons we dislike Roddy so much more than Dani is because he is slick. He actually screwed over his own alliances and NOBODY can trust him. Not even his little woman. I honestly think that if Roddy gets POV he won't use it to save Chihora. She is of no use to him anymore. Dani has at least stuck by Jason through everything. I certainly trust that they have each others backs until the end. I don't think she will turn on Jason for any reason. This is a big difference between the two of them, as I see it. I also think the alliance between Dani and Jason is brilliant. I don't know that any in the house are aware of how strong it is. I think everyone in that house who has had an alliance, has been screwed over by their own alliance to some degree...except the Jason/Dani alliance. Most of the HG's have said they can't trust anyone. I bet if you asked Jason and Dani if they felt they could trust anyone to the final 3...they would both name each other. In a game like this...I think that is commendable and great strategy, especially when it isn't so "in your face". |
Jimmer | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:38 am     Yes Dani has stuck by Jason, but it's been an easy thing to do as there hasn't been any need to really be up front about it. We'll see what she does when the going gets tough for the two of them and Jason is vulnerable and needs her to support him. |
Jaysgal | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:39 am     I don't think that Danielle is anything a manipulator like Roddy. Danielle is simply a manipulator-wannabe. Roddy is a professional manipulator. There's nothing as powerful as mind screwing. He's a mind manipulator. That is waaay more powerful than other methods. Danielle is a wannabe manipulator. But what she really is is a typical gossip. A gossip expert. Gossips are not manipulators. They are just a weaker group of people pairing together to form a strong wheel. And then they look so intimidating. Danielle is simply a professional gossip. She once in a blue moon tries to play power trip, but she doesn't have the will power to intimidate people by words. Her efforts to intimidate has been by threats, such as trying to act as the queen, which she never has been, who has the sudden power to call on who Marcellas or Amy, as HOHs, will put up or replace. Remember when she won POV and her head was all swollen. She's not anything like Roddy. She's simply the gossip leader. And gossips start to get strong when they are around themselves and recruit more people. |
Battlestar | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:41 am     kearie---there is no reason for Dani to do anything but support Jason. But I can see her pulling a Richard Hatch at the end. If Jason wins HOH he will honor his allegience with Dani and take her to the final 2, but if the other person wins it , Jason will be turfed as he is viewed as unbeatable (a notion that has not been disputed by Dani) Either way she gets 1st or 2nd/ But I think if Jason and her were sitting there in the end, Danielle would take it |
Ellenkats | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:50 am     Dani is just as bad at manipulating (or trying to) but somehow hers is fun in a "Will" sort of way. Roddy's is just irritating, imo. I think its her expressive eyes in the DR when she tells how she is playing this game. GO Girl - you are Danimite! |
Zeyna | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:06 am     Jaysgal, you are so right. Dani is the gossip queen indeed. She uses gossip to connect with others, but this will not go unnoticed as the game progresses. It gets more difficult to gossip as the numbers dwindle. She also has a very big ego. Mentioning the customer thing to Gerry is a dumb move. She's basically bragging how smart she and knows how to deal with people, but Gerry is surely reading between the lines. As for her devotion to Jason, I can't dispute it, however she hasn't been in a situation where she's had to prove it yet. Roddy sold out Lisa because he needed Eric, and if Danielle was in the same predicament, I'm not so sure she wouldn't sell out Jason. |
Trini | Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:07 am     I agree with every post on this thread; and loved reading all of them. Thank you for posting. Boy!!!!! I love this game. |
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