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Eden

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 12:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Funny how Josh decided he just "couldn't be a prick" tonight, after he spent all afternoon doing Roddy's dirty work, spreading purposeful mischief. I'm not saying that's wrong but it isn't the action of a "nice guy" (in the house).

Let's be as honest as Josh was on the show tonight. Everyone in this game is human, Josh included. Sure, he has good qualities but his desperation to be liked or to win totally undermined his humanity to everyone in the house and a lot of the viewing audience, mostly because he didn't show it. He did a lot of lying (not saying others haven't but they weren't caught outright and those that have been are equally reviled) and malicious lying, to my mind. Call it loyalty if you like, I suppose that's laudable. I think most of it was self serving but it backfired. It appears to me he gave his loyalty to someone who didn't really value it all that much.

Furry, great you are his friend. I'm sure he's a great one in return. It seems like he has a lot of steadfast love inside him. But I'm not going to pretend Josh was a great person in the house or a great player, he wasn't. He's gone because of it.

Frankly, I wish it were Roddy going and not Josh. I think Josh would be a much nicer person, in the house, if he weren't so busy pandering to Roddy.

Janekat0629

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 12:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Josh is a cutie - most of the time. Besides - everyone on these shows comes out looking bad. We would all look just as bad if we were cooped up in that house with all of those idiots with cameras recording our every move....

The same thing happened last year AND the year before. Everyone comes out looking bad.

Aaronl5

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 12:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just hope the Josh we saw in the house is not the real Josh........i wish him well.......and i hope he learns from what he went through......

Ryn

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 12:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey you two (if you are still reading), thanks for sticking it out on the board, I klnow it would not be easy for me givin that Josh is not considered "America's Sweetheart"

I wish he could have kept quiet this week, he really did have a chance to stay in (I wanted Roddy out but the odds seem slim to none now).

Give him a smack upside the head for sticking up for Roddy so much

All my best to both of ya!!

Jan

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 05:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe Josh said it best himself...from the live feeds Aug 14 at 03:38Pm by Raca:

josh: you know i didn't come here for people to say i'm a great guy. i
came for merritt, my friends and family. not even for the people
watching on tv. if people are judging me based on 40 days here,
then they don't know anything, just like people who attack soap
stars because they don't like their tv characters.

Bigsister

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 05:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh says he is going to have something really mean to say to Chiara when/if he leaves tonight. I hope he changes his mind about that. Nothing would be gained by it except a temporary feeling of avenging himself, and it would leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth. If he conducts himself in a classy way upon being evicted, it will go a long way toward leaving people with a good feeling about him, both the other houseguests and the viewing public.

Draheid

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 06:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know if it's been said anywhere before, so if this is a repeat, I apologize in advance.

IMHO - Josh made one major mistake when he set out on this journey. He did NOT anticipate the possiblility of meeting people he might actually have any sort of friendship/relationship in this house. Perhaps not a mistake, just an underestimation of the potential for this to happen. I doubt anyone could foresee this type of possibility.

While his original 'plan' probably still would NOT have worked for him, considering the *twist*'s and the producer's intent to 'shake things up', I suspect he was not prepared to make any long-term friends while in the house. Had he not met Roddy and developed the feelings toward him that he did, he might have had a better chance to see his plans work a little better.

Don't get me wrong here, I think it's great that he met Roddy and he will likely be great friends with him after the show. I hope he is able to 'put this behind him' once he's out and is able to get back to real life.

Merrit & 'Furry', thank you for participating in these discussions. I, for one, am sorry that you have had to endure some of the 'wrath' of some of the posters on here. It seems you have been able to keep in mind the context of what is said on here and that it is all part of the 'GAME'.

I wish you all the luck in the world in your future together and hope you, Merrit, and Josh can have a great life together, if that is what is meant to be.

Again, thanks for participating and sharing with us.

JMO - FWIW

Missy2

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 06:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The only time I thought Josh was bad...was when he was saying the nazi stuff, that bothered me. But what Gerry said in the veto meeting bothered me too! He played hard and dirty but THAT IS THE GAME! I will miss Josh!! He seems like a very sweet and passionate person.

Babyruth

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 07:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
For Josh Fans: An interview with Merrit:

http://204.233.238.193/MerritAug9.html

Sheila494

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 07:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i would much rather see josh in the house than i would danielle..compared to her josh is an angel.

Woodpecke®

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 08:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh acts like a petty adolescent. When his parents went to teacher conferences, I am sure they heard this: "Josh has a lot of energy, but appears to be very immature for his age. He likes to be the center of attention and disrupt the class. Other students are trying to concentrate, but he doesn't seem to be able to calm down. Josh does not play well with others. He is a very poor loser. I am sure he will grow out of this phase, hopefully by the time he reaches 40. He is very cute when he farts."

Countrymeadow

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
After watching Josh's emotions on the show last night and having seen them first hand on the live feeds I find it hard to believe he is sincere.

All I keep thinking of is his comments in the DR about being able to " show emotion and tears" at the drop of the hat. If the situation calls for it he can turn the water works on. How can anyone think he's sincere after those comments?

Kalekona

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 08:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't like Josh and find his treatment of Gerry unexcusable period. And I question his respect for women after many of his comments.
That said I know there is good in EVERY person and that Merritt and furry know a different Josh, having a friend that people see in an evil light I understand loyalty and the "you just don't know him like I do" I'll defend my friend til the end but even I know he has some issues, so it is with Josh.
Watching him cry last night I just kept screaming at the TV- if he had only showed that to ALL the hg he wouldn't be walking out tonight <barring a miricle> they just needed justification to keep him over roddy, showing a little weakness in this case would have worked for him.
I respect his loyalty for Lori but wish he had admitted to that when trying to paint Jason in a bad light for voting agaist the group.
He played a poor game but I hope he gets Letterman!

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 09:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Joshy has been his own worst enemy, but I'm very touched by his loyalty to and love of Merrit and that says volumes about a person.

Furry and Merrit and Kayvon (if this is one of the boards you frequent).. well #1 I still cling to the idea that Roddy could walk out tonight, but wouldn't bet money on it. So, if he walks tonight, and if he is allowed to see any of you, I hope you'll have a copy of any letters you hoped he would get and didn't and I would love it if he could have his own lizards if CBS won't let him adopt the two he's bonded with. Not sure how his cat would feel about that :)

No matter what happens, I wish all of you the best.

Jimmer

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 09:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The show would not have been nearly as entertaining without Josh on it. While I don't like some of his comments (re. Gerry), I do respect his loyalty to Merrit and his ongoing friendship with Roddy, both of which are indicative of some of his good qualities.

Grooch

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I want Josh to stay!

Jorje

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I want Josh to say, but only because I think he is less of a threat. I don't think anyone on the outside voting for the winner would allow him to win. Roddy is much more threatening.

And as for Josh's "crybaby" act - it is hard to trust that it is for real, when he has cried on command for his benefit before (or claimed to, at least).

One thing good I can say for Josh is that when he swears and really gives his word - you can count on it. I was so shocked early on when he voted to keep Lori since he'd given his word. I just don't think I'd give my word very often if I were in the BB house - you can change your mind so quick.

Neko

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was a Josh hater at the begining but now, I've sort of warmed up to him..

And the Chiara line made me love him just that much more

Tj2353

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 11:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I sooooo second that, Kaili!
Darn...some people just can't control themselves. It seems they are so heck-bent on being 'Hollier Than Thou' because they feel the BB3 players aren't 'perfect' according to THEIR standards...What I See Is---these posters are mean spirited, non-truth telling, extremely lacking in good heartedness and thoughtfullness---'exactly' what they are accusing the BB3 players of being (just to name a FEW anti-social & immoral characteristics from the EXTENSIVE list)...The MAIN DIFFERENCE IS Josh,Danielle,Marcellas,Roddy,Chiara, et al ARE NOT WAGING A SMEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST YOU BB3 PosterS! If you live in that glass house...you all better have a lot of home insurance..., If 'you' be the pot..., Do not judge lest ye be judged...whatever!!! Sure, you all have the G*D given right--NO...G*D did not gift any of you with such cold hearts...You all have the Freedom of Speech as granted by the Government, to voice your opinions, but, no matter how high on that pedestal you all place yourselves that DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY BETTER THAN Josh,Danielle, Marcellas or the rest...Maybe in your eyes, but not in G*D's, not in their many loved ones eyes, and definately not in mine. So, now how do you like the feeling of reading that someone finds flaws in YOUR character...If you say you couldn't care less, that is the way it should be, because who am I to be criticizing you? Right? I'm not, because I DO NOT KNOW you personally, but, I am definately criticizing the mean spirited, thoughtless and definately unjustified WORDS that you are presenting here for ALL THE WORLD TO SEE! Just like the BB3 players that you degrade for their 'blatant exhibitionism'...so are you exhibitionist, except you all are hiding behind closed doors and your computer; be reminded, you also leave yourselves open for 'review'.

OKAY...ENOUGH,ENOUGH,ENOUGH ALREADY, RIGHT?
Sorry, I have been reading for so long with no comments (well, very few), but when I read someone trying to relay something GOOD & KINDHEARTED, I was soooo enjoying the thread...and then...BAM!!! ... there you came! It was so sad that you just couldn't control yourselves.

I still love each & everyone of you. PEACE.

Furry

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you everyone for all of the honest and sincere things you have said. Of course I LOVE to read the nice ones, but I see that even the people that dilike Josh's tv persona (or most of them anyway) still understand that he is loyal to his friends, and that there is more than meets the eye when it comes Josh.

Merritt was reading this thread last night, but was too emotional after seeing "her Joshy" so utterly miserable and upset. I have known Josh for a couple of years, but No One knows Josh the way Merritt does.

Earlier in the season, when Josh was on the block and cried infront of some of the HGs, he announced that the tears were fake. Merritt could see that his fear of being evicted, and his emotions were real. However, he may have pushed it a little to allow the tears to come. (He covered a little, but she knew he was on the verge of tears, at any rate, and just didn't try to hide them.)

Last Night, however, she KNOWS the tears were real. Have you ever loved someone and known them so completely that they don't have to say anything, you know exactly what they are thinking and feeling, just by looking at them? You have a connection with them that no one else can touch or understand. That is what Merritt and Josh have.

I understand that you may question the sincerity of his emotion, but I can promise you that last night, Josh's emotions were as raw and as real as anything you've seen on the show thus far. He is a very sensitive person, and like many sensitive people, he has developed aspects of his personality as a defense mechanism.

I love that so many of the tv and net audience have had the opportunity to change their first impressions about Josh. Trust me! We've all gone through it! Josh shocked me at firts, but after spending some time with him I grew to love him. He is a great friend and an incredible person....Quirks and all.

Cynny

Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really believed that his emotions last night were real. I might not agree with a lot of things he did in the house, but it is a game. Last night when he was talking, it sounded to me like he had been trying so dang hard to fill a role he thought he needed to fill in order to win. That made me sad for Josh. And I believe that his motivation to win wasn't greed, but a desire to build a good life for himself and for Merritt.

I cringed a lot of times while watching Josh these past few weeks, but these last few days I have been sad watching him being used by people he really cared for and would not have betrayed. Maybe he deserved to be evicted by the people he deceived, and I doubt Josh would disagree with that, but he didn't deserve what he got from Roddy. I feel bad for him when he realizes what Roddy really did.

My best wishes to Merritt and Josh. I hope you have a happy life together. Thank you, Furry, for hanging in here and sharing with us.