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Mystery

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In college in a psychology class our teacher told us the same story about the use of letters in the Pepsi/Coke challenge. It gets around!

Moedog

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ah... the turtle effect. Did you know that although people who keep pet turtles tend to use the collective term "herd" to refer to a group of turtles, the classic collective term is a "bale of turtles"? (Roddy impersonation : )

Hillbilly

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
...probably need to check with that urban legend newsgroup thing to see if its posted on there..

Costacat

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe Roddy got confused about the pigs some some pig organs are being used and or considered for human implantation? Doesn't mean we're genetically the same, though.

I agree... I think Roddy knows a little bit about a lot -- he's really jack of all, master of none.

No comments on that above statement in reference to shrinking peninsulas either, folks! <grin>

Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmm, what am I thinking of then, Chance? Thanks for the info. I think I remember hearing that pig skin is very similiar to human skin, or something to that effect.

Oh well. Enough half truths for me today.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting Moedog. Speaking of reptiles and amphiphians I find it most facinating that the collective group for frogs is "army" and the collective group for toads is "knot". (Moedog impersonation of a Roddy impersonation) :)

Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My personal favorite is a murder of crows. And I KNOW that's true, no guessing!

Mystery

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregon, you're right, pigskin is very close to human skin and I believe is still used for burn victims.

Carigsby

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure why you directed your mini rant to me - but I feel obligated to respond.

I was only speaking to the facts of specific things that Roddy had said and that I thought that he does say a lot of things that are true - but that he doesn't have all of the background info or facts straight so things can come out sounding a little funny.

I didn't respond at all to his perceived superiority complex and I personally haven't heard him condesend other HGs because they know something (I'm not saying that he hasn't - just that I haven't heard it). I have lots of friends just like Roddy in the way that he always thinks he's right. I have never taken one of their "lectures" about something as being condesending to me (even if they question something that I've said) - I just accept that's how they are and fight them using their own weapon (information).

Someone can only make you feel inferior if you let them.

Moedog

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Pig skin is more similar to human skin than any other species. That's why it's used as a temporary covering on burn victims. Auto-grafts from the patient are preferable, but not always available when large areas of the skin have been burnt. Advances in cloning will make the use of pigskin obsolete. Not trying to pull a Roddy here; I worked in a burn unit in the late '70s/early '80s.

Crazydog

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Roddy a lot more than some of the others. I don't mind his conversations, at least he is trying to talk about things that are somewhat intelligent, rather than supermodels or Friends episodes or sex. I think people here are enjoying picking out every little inaccuracy in his conversations. He is living under a microscope and yes he did choose to place him there, but think about if every little thing you said was recorded and analyzed how many mistakes you probably make.

I agree that it's all subjective. If you like Roddy you're willing to overlook things like this. If you dislike him then you will find every opportunity to criticize him. The Roddy hate is really starting to snowball, but as Wcv said, everyone has their favorites and opinions. Personally, I don't like Gerry and I do the same thing about Gerry that most people here are doing about Roddy.

Moedog

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Wcv63! That's the first time anyone has ever impersonated me (that I'm aware of). Great job! : )

Moedog

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
While having more to discuss in the house than movies, models, and the cover of Vogue would be a treat, I think the way in which Roddy expounds is what I find offensive. Like Gerry, he has a nasty habit of coming off as condescending and preaching/teaching.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Carigsby, only the first paragraph of my post was directed to you inasmuch as I was agreeing with your assessment that Roddy's information may just be incomplete.

The remainder of the post wasn't directed to anyone in particular and made up the body of my rant.

Nutsy

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP

Quote:

Someone can only make you feel inferior if you let them.


I respectfully disagree. Statements like that absolve people from having to think before they speak, or consider someone else's stance/feelings/viewpoint. You are responsible for how you put things out there. You have a choice to speak in an intelligent and thoughtful manner, or in a condescending, superior tone. Your manner of speaking affects those who are listening.

Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the info Mystery and Moedog. And I have never heard that M or Q Coke and Pepsi thing.

I DO like Roddy's tidbits of information. Personally that's when I find him least pretentious and most engaged or engaging. What I don't like are his emotional manipulations masked as logic battles. It's not about logic; it's about control using logic as a weapon. Even if someone like Chiara isn't as good at making logical arguments, she has enough intuition and willpower (at times) to buck him off.

Guiltyviewer

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with previous posters who've pointed out that it's not just that Roddy likes to share what he knows, it's the manner in which he does it. He really comes across as someone who has an elevated sense of their own abilities, feels their comments and views are more worthwhile than others. He claims to be well-read and that's admirable...but it is NOT admirable to want to use your 'knowledge' to point out to someone else what they DON'T know. He strikes me as someone who NEEDS to confirm their supposed superiority by pointing out others' 'inferiority'.

Have you noticed how he so often refers to HIS point of view as the gold standard for how people 'should' be thinking? Like he's more evolved in his development and they should aspire to be like him, pay attention and he'll show you how. Even when he takes the time to converse with others, he seems to always need to add something to whatever they say...a kind of one-upmanship. You'll NEVER hear him say he doesn't know anything about a topic! And when others offer their experience, no matter how unimportant it is, Roddy seems to jump in to add his two cents, comparing his experience or talking about someone he knows...however he can turn the focus back onto himself. It's sort of sad to me that he IS an obviously bright person but has an incessant need to PROVE his smarts to all!

Roddy, why don't you just wear your Mensa t-shirt everyday and be done with it!

(okay, okay...will stop now to avoid being labeled a 'pontificator'...that title belongs elsewhere)
Go easy, mods!

Carigsby

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think it absolves anyone from any responsibility. If you let someone get to you by the way they speak - then you are handing to them the ability to control how you view yourself.

You can't make someone be sorry for something. You can't make them think before they speak. You can't make them consider someone else's point of view. You can't make someone speak in a respectful manner. The only thing you can do is figure out how you perceive it and how you deal with it. The world is full of as$holes - you can mope about or ignore them. That is your choice.

Everyone is responsible for what they say, I agree, and everyone has to live with what comes out of their mouths. But, to let someone make you feel inferior because they tell you that they are surprised you knew something is your fault.

Nutsy

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You can make yourself think before you speak.
You can make yourself consider other people's points of view.
You can make yourself speak in a respectful manner.

So, you honestly never feel even a tiny bit inferior if someone speaks down to you? It doesn't rattle you? Make you want to defend yourself?

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Carigsby...using that very same logic, then I choose to not associate with people who assume a superior attitude. I also choose to not accept them without question and to point out what I perceive as disrespectful behavior.

Roddy may be smart, and he may even have something of interest to contribute, but his tone and delivery make the first part of the equation totally irrelevent, IMO.

Jimmer

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I keep hearing the comment that "It's not what Roddy says - it's how he says it".

Another way of looking at it would be to say "It's not what Roddy says - it's how you hear it".

So much of what we hear from someone else is affected by our own feelings and perceptions. If you feel inferior, you may perceive Roddy as acting in an arrogant manner. If you don't feel inferior, you may find Roddy entertaining or amusing (and not necessarily because you like him).

Note: This is just an example - I'm not suggesting that anyone here feels inferior or specifically dislikes Roddy for that reason. There may be many other valid reasons for one to dislike Roddy.

Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Umm, I'm pretty sure that disliking Roddy for his arrogant tone is a valid reason for disliking him, Jimmer, and I know that I sure as h*ll don't feel inferior.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jimmer: "There may be many other valid reasons for one to dislike Roddy."

I choose door number 2. Just remove the "may" and you have my position on Roddy! :)

Actually, my dislike of Roddy has its roots in his put downs of women. Therefore pretty much everything he says and does is colored by my feelings about that particular stance.

Minnyace01

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jimmer - I agree with your statement. People will hear what they want to hear, whether it was actually said that way or not. I have never heard him put down women or read in any LFP where he has put down women, but there are sure a lot of people that believe that he has done this. I also agree that I find him amusing, partly because I don't feel inferior to him and understand a lot of what he is trying to say.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Minnyace I have heard it. I was watching, listening and I heard it. I didn't imagine it. I didn't spin it. I didn't twist it. I simply heard it.

Edited to add: I certainly don't feel inferior.