Why are they so afraid to want Roddy out????
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Spunky | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:24 pm     I can't stand this paranoia about Roddy?? Why is everyone, except Danielle...(well, now she is too) scared to say they want Roddy out. If Danielle wants Roddy out she has the right to campaign against him. Why the heck no?? |
Maris | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:27 pm     Danielle wants Roddy out because he has openly said that Danielle needs to go. he told that to Lisa and Chiara. He said that the Big Brother house was not Dani's make a wish foundation. So Dani knows that if Roddy gets HOH she will go on the block. Dani is getting everyone to go along with her or at least she has jason and Lisa with her and that is enough votes as long as Gerry doesnt use the veto. |
Spunky | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:32 pm     So, it's okay for Roddy to campaign against Dani but she can't do it. (According to Roddy). I know Dani should have waited Gerry's decision about POV and made a ...fatal mistake by spilling her beans again and again to Marcellas. But I can't stand weak people who are too afraid to go against the allmighty Lord of the Flies. |
Jaysgal | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:37 pm     Uhmmmm, Maris, Danielle wanted Roddy out since weeks ago. She already began describing him as the devil and spoke of getting him out. Spunky, actually, Danielle has not been outspoken anymore than others have. She has fretted the idea of taking responsibility. She claims she threw the HOH competition on purpose in order to make Amy be the one to do the "dirty work". So, I think you should ask Danielle that question: If she's so convinced of Roddy's evil, why does she desperately try to recruit agents to do her work for her? A determined person would do whatever it takes, even take the risk directly. In a nutshell, she's just as afraid as others are. And not everyone is so bent on evicting Roddy. Some have admitted that he has his ways of smooth talking, but they aren't eager to get rid of him. Danielle is the one eager to. At this point, it is understandable since she's dug herself a hole. |
Spunky | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 07:50 pm     Then, they might as well give him the money and spare themselves more suffering... They're not eager to get rid of Roddy then they're not eager to fight for first place. I still can't accept that she dug herself a hole while Roddy is put on a pedestal for doing exactly the same thing Dani did. (wanting to get rid of Dani). |
Spree17 | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:29 pm     If they dont get roddy out this week then they deserve to lose |
Spunky | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:09 am     That's my take as well. What bugs me in this is that, although Roddy isn't that powerful (I don't see him winning many comps) the hgs (with the exception of Danielle) are afraid to target him. Roddy can do a lot of "dissing" when he wants to and campaign against Danielle but she can't. For the second time she had to bow to their will to save Roddy, or risk to be evicted herself. Unreal!! |
Espen | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:25 am     You can't help but admire a guy that succeeds by being such a perceived threat that people trip themselves up trying to take him out and end up shooting themselves in the foot every time.. (assuming he makes it this week too).. Though this will only work as long as there is a majority of "weak" people in the house.. So the key for him would be to eliminate Danielle soon or he will be on the block a few more times for sure, and may not be as lucky then.. His biggest liability is that several people know he is a big threat.. However, that is also his asset, as the people without as strong of a strategy are seeing him as the person to take *them* to the end.. It is sort of strategy by proxy.. "we can't do it, but if we had him, we could".. I think the only person who is truely not intimated by Roddy is Jason, and that might be a foreshadowing of the endgame.. |
Spree17 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:30 am     They all view roddy as the cool guy on campus and they all get flattered when the kings lets them in to his group of friends. Now amy is the new GF and marcy is the new eric. How conveinient. Marcy and amy saying they want roddy with them till the final four because he is so "trustworthy". can these 2 bimbos be anymore stupid? |
Earthmother | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:31 am     I don't think they are afraid to get Roddy out. What they are afraid of is letting the person who put him up, who they made a promise not to evict him, find out that they are liars. If Amy weren't so dead set against getting rid of Chiara, Roddy would be going home. The fact that they still need Amy/or Marc on their side puts them into a position of appeasing Amy. |
Espen | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:36 am     Well, if Roddy does make it, he still has to have two other people there with him into the final three.. who is to say that *won't* be Amy and Marcellus if everyone else turns on them? And if so, is that really a bad strategy? Even if Roddy wins, one of them will win 50K, which is more than what they will get if they stick with the D/J/L alliance.. The key will be Gerry.. since he will be the tie breaker between the D/J/L and R/A/M groups.. (if it turns out that way) and could work a deal to pull himself into the final four either way.. hard to believe we are only about half way through this, and still have 2/3 of the houseguests in the house! |
Earthmother | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:01 am     IMO there is no way to predict who is going to be in the finals. This year the game is set up so that the tide changes every week. The winner of this game is a crap shoot for sure. We see it all and can't agree who is or isn't playing the best or who made a dumb mistake, because just when you think you have someone pegged they change their minds or make a deal with the opposite camp. |
Eden | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:19 am     But the truth is it doesn't matter whether they "appease" Amy or not, since Amy and Marcellas are aligned with Roddy and any one of them will nominate Danielle and Jason should they win HOH. After Danielle's conversation with Marcellas yesterday, she should realize that he isn't on her side anymore. If they go ahead and keep Roddy they are slitting their own throats. If they keep Chiara you know she will align with D/J/L. Why would they vote out someone that is their sure ally when they KNOW that Roddy is not. Especially now that it is apparent that Amy and Marcellas are under his spell. It makes no sense. Why give their opponent another ally and take away their own? If Gerry does not use the veto, the only thing they can do is vote Roddy out and deal with whatever consequences follow. Seems to me they'll have the numbers to control what goes on. If Marcellas wins HOH Amy will force him to nominate Chiara again and he'll put up Danielle. Danielle stays. If Gerry wins HOH he might put up Chiara and Danielle and still Danielle stays, because Amy wants Chiara GONE. Where is the danger for Danielle in voting out Roddy? Danielle's only danger comes in Roddy remaining in the house! They seem to keep forgetting that if Roddy goes they GAIN in numbers. If they vote Chiara out they've forfeited the game! |
Spree17 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:24 am     dlj are too worried about the last vote and might be too dumb to get there. Eden you are right about everything except marcy wining hooh. If he wins you can bank on gerry being nominated against danni or kiki. dlj must wake up and get rid of roddy no matter what then try to win hoh and dump marcy or amy but first make a deal if they dont nominate gerry he wont use pov if he wins it again |
Stormcloud | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:26 am     When is the nomination meeting? Anyone know? |
Spree17 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:28 am     Nomination? already happened sat. pov is today I think. |
Spunky | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:28 am     But Danielle promised to evict Chiara to avoid being put up by Amy if Gerry uses the POV. She is stuck now and can't change tactics or it will be the end of her. Imagine Gerry doesn't use POV and she goes ahead with her campaign against Roddy, a gutsy move (which I think in BB you can do) but it will cost her in the end. So the Lord of the Flies is really "untouchable". |
Earthmother | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:30 am     Eden, you and I know who they are aligned with but d l j don't; that's my point. Dani still thinks she has Marc in her camp and as long as she has him she has Amy. If Dani knew then there would be no question that they would vote Roddy out in a second. |
Cmc209 | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:33 am     Why are they so afraid to want Roddy out - could it be because Gerry has the power of veto? It's obivous that the Chi/Roddy combo could count as 2 votes against a person later on the game if they are still both in the game. If people try to get Roddy out and Gerry veto's him, you're going to have 2 upset people, unless Chi gets the boot. |
Eden | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:36 am     Sure Danielle can change tactics. Her very existance in the game is threatened! Time to go ahead and then face what consquences come after. GET RODDY OUT! Play the numbers Danielle. If Roddy is gone you have a better chance of someone on your side winning HOH! Amy said she can't stay in the house with Chiara, "she'll hit the panic button". Imagine how she will feel if Chiara stays and Roddy goes. I think she'll force Marcellas to nominate Chiara should he win HOH. With Chiara as a potential scapegoat nominee Danielle could be safe. |
Dfwteddy | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:40 am     Right on, Earthmother! Chiara is the latest and best example of how the fortunes of a HG can change overnight. Roddy's only power is only the power to persuade, and he has been excellent. He has played as dirty as all of the others, but has smiled and persuaded them otherwise. Dani/Jason have tried to persuade others to do their dirty work for them instead of stepping up to the plate. Their lack of courage will be their undoing, and they will have only themselves to blame. For that reason I respect Gerry the most at this point in the game. Working without an alliance to back up him up for most of the game, he has not been afraid to do what he thought was in his best interests -- using the veto to right a perceived wrong, using his nominations to break up the couples voting bloc, and making good week-to-week deals to stay off the nomination bloc (which only Dani and Jason have also avoided to date, but probably can't avoid much longer). We've had two examples of Expect the Unexpected, and no one knows for certain that there won't be another. The HGs have all positioned themselves for the endgame too early and have missed the opportunities right in front of them. Given the twists in this game, keeping "their word" has hurt each of them at some point in the game. This isn't a game of trust and they have failed to see that this is a game -- not real life -- so do what is necessary within the context of the game. |
Amac | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:46 am     I can't figure it out either. What I hear is that Amy wants Chiara out. Don't any of them realize that for all her hot air, Chiara is just Roddy's puppet and that once he's gone she will collape? Roddy doesn't need Chiara but she sure needs him. Why not kill two birds with one stone? |
Amac | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:48 am     I guess we may as well start calling Roddy the "Teflon" houseguest of BB3, for self-apparent reasons. |
Eden | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:49 am     Earthmother, after the conversation Danielle had with Marcellas yesterday afternoon on the patio, she SHOULD be aware he's changed allegiances. She virtually begged for his help and he turned her down flat! With friends like that, who needs enemies? If Lisa tells her what Marcellas and Amy said to her in the HOH room, that should also make her aware. Has Lisa mentioned that conversation to Danielle? I agree, Dfw, Gerry had played the most courageous and free wheeling game. |
Kalekona | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:52 am     we can only hope Amy or Marcellas slip up before the vote and dani catches on to them. djl MUST vote out roddy or danielle might as well start packing. If only she knew it doesn't matter if she keeps her word to Amy she will still be the target. Days like these I wish for banners again. lol |
Earthmother | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:54 am     For Amy it's payback time. She is fully aware that Chiara was the one who wanted her out due to her jealousy. Amy is out for revenge. It wouldn't surprise me if Amy also knows about the girly allience that was going on without her. |
Dfwteddy | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 09:57 am     Cmc209: Their fear to evict Roddy is not rational! If they vote out their strongest threat (and they know that Roddy is now aware of them in the game), they'll irritate Amy. And I say, so what? Does either D, J or L think that Amy will ever allign herself with Chiara, or Marcellas with Gerry? At that point, you have two bitter and emotional players, one lunatic without her puppeteer, and one player who has been an outsider most of the game anyway. Roddy is a strong competitor, so giving him another shot at HoH is just plain dumb. Getting out of the tub in 2 minutes was not wimpy -- Roddy just didn't think that in any scenario against any HG -- especially Chiara -- he would lose another eviction attempt. Knowing how motivated he'll be, giving Roddy another chance at HoH makes no sense. A/M don't think rationally, just emotionally. Without Roddy to coalesce the votes against them, I don't think A/M/G/C could organize a picnic, much less a concerted effort to boot D/J/L. Sure, D/J/L could stumble and have two of the three nominated with one evicted, but I think their chances of survival are much greater without Roddy in the house to focus the others. JMHO |
Maris | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:01 am     Amy and Marcellas may think emotionally and emotionally they know they have always been on the outside. They have not been fooled by Dani and they never were. They were on the outside of the six pack as well. I can very easily see Amy and Marci putting the screws to every single group. So far Amy and Marcellas as HOHs have gotten exactly what they wanted and neither one bowed to Dani's pressure. Dani has underestimated both of them and has considered them nonentities. |
Eden | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:04 am     Exactly, Dwf!!! Why don't D/J/L see that!?!?!? They've got nothing to lose by getting rid of RODDY and everything to gain! All this moaning and gnashing of teeth over something that is a no brainer! I'm hoping once they are assured that Roddy won't be vetoed they'll come to their collective senses. If they don't, they deserve to lose. |
Oregonfire | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:05 am     I agree, Dfw. Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing! Watching Dani, Lisa, and Jason p*ssyfoot around with voting out Roddy last night was nothing short of maddening. Dani has already started to question her "you have my word" tactic, saying she may have to break her word to Roddy when she promised she wouldn't nominate him if she wins HOH. Why wait? She's also "breaking her word" to Chiara by voting her out now. Who cares about her word to Marci and Amy? The returning evictee should not be treated as such threat. If Amy isn't treated like a threat, she won't be one. Apparently last night Amy and Marci revealed that they have in for Danielle. (not that she knows that, but the writing is on the wall for Pete's sake) What better time for D/J/L to go for broke? |
Dfwteddy | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:10 am     For me it is like choosing between Door #1 and Door #2 Door #1 -- Amy & Marcellas' whining for a couple of weeks PLUS the possibility of $500G (and for $500G I can put up with a lot for a short amount of time) Door #2 -- Roddy and no $$$ The choice is simple. |
Spunky | Monday, August 19, 2002 - 01:24 pm     Now it's the time to show there is no longer a need to fear. Go get him!!!! |
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