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Ryanc2002

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems to me some people are looking for any little reason to scream "Not Fair!!!"

Goddess146

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 03:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
CBS denies their fraud:

http://www.canoe.ca/JamBigBrother3/aug19_bb3-can.html

Crossfire

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 03:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So that settles it then.

Keiffer

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 03:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One quote from a person from the show saying:

"Of course the producers didn't tell her anything about the game. The purpose of having the players sequestered is so they wouldn't know anything about it," Ekeblad told Jam! Showbiz"

well that does it for me... case closed. I blindly believe a corporation that stand to loose a great deal of money, and them putting out a low level employee to spout this crap.


I still maintain thta from Amy's own words she was at minimun hinted to about how important the first HoH back would be for her. Had Roddy been told by the producers the same thing I am sure we would ahve seen a different Roddy.

Crazydog

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 03:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I recognize that BB can do whatever it wants. But this CBS denial just shows how paranoid they are about the perception it isn't fair. What they could have just said was, we are allowed to change the rules and do whatever we want. End of story. Instead, they launch a half-hearted attempt to justify and defend their actions.

The evictees were supposed to "whisked away" to "remote locations" where they had "no outside contact" with anyone. However, Amy has said that Americans in the Club Med recognized her and told her how much they loved her and Marcellus. Say she didn't like Marcellus. What happens if that comment makes her realize how well he comes across and that he is dangerous. Upon re-entering the house, she alters her gameplan and orchestrates his eviction.

I know some of you say that the DR does the same thing and asks leading questions, but there is a big difference between what the DR says (personally I'd be skeptical of anything they implied because I'd think they were just trying to pick fights) and what an impartial fan says.

Amy also got to see the clip of Tonya saying she would not change a thing in her fight with A and M. What if either A or M gets put in a position that they can decide who to take with them? Perhaps they thought that Tonya would forgive and forget, but now they know she is a vote against them. They alter their strategy.

My point is that if there is supposed to be isolation of evictees, there should have been isolation of evictees. It has nothing to do with fair or not fair as to who got brought back. Chiara thinks it's not fair that someone got brought back at all. I don't agree with her because as I said I agree they can change the rules whenever they want. But it's not fair that one person purportedly has more information than the others. It's not just Chiara that should complain, if anyone is eliminated based on inside information that Amy has, then I think that is a problem. Amy refused to nominate Danielle, in part because she wanted her to win but also probably because she got re-assurance from her mother that her mother loves Danielle. If her mother had said, I hate that Danielle, and that resulted in Danielle's nomination, that is a big problem. And you can bet Danielle if she heard of that would be saying it's not fair.

Woe are the producers, they brought back the one person whose lips are looser than a teenager on prom night.

Crossfire

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 03:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy had all the clues he should have needed the second Eric did not walk in.

Keiffer

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crossfire that take anaylisis of a situation from clues... far different from being told something point blank. Also I don't see how Eric not walking back in would have told him anything. Look at the votes. Out of seven people voting three of them voted to evict ERic last week, and one of them nomminated him. No matter who Eric had been up against with a vote like that he wasnt coming back. His eviction was just to fresh on the HG's mind.

Jhezzie

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There are lots of good arguments here, however, I'm looking at it this way: If Eric or Tonya had walked back in the door, there would have been none of this outcry of what is fair or unfair in the house.

Crazydog

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jhezzie, I understand that Roddy and Chiara wouldn't be complaining. But I can imagine Marc and Dani and maybe even Gerry doing so. I have a feeling that the support on this board of the complaints would be much more prevalent in that situation.

I am not complaining about the return, I am complaining about the inside information. I think Chiara is complaining about the return itself. I think Roddy is complaining about the inside information. In my opinion, Chiara's rant has no merit. But I think Roddy's does.

Danimom

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with you Jhezzie!! Why don't we just tell the houseguest what's coming and let them sit down, talk,and decide the results on everything? This isn't the first piece of inside information that may have been leaked. Heck no one was complaining the DR people told or alluded to Gerry what Josh was saying about him in the house. What about that? No complaints cause people didn't like Josh or Gerry. Roddy and Chia are the same, Roddy is just smoother with his complaining.

Tweepee

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Diane Ekeblad is the PR <person> quoted in that Canoe article.

I wish someone would call her and demand some answers about why do many of us are being locked out of the feeds and Real/CBS apparently has no idea how to work the software they created. <PLEASE don't post people's phone numbers here.>

Feel free to call her and post her reply here.

(c)

Crossfire

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not to be rude, I don't intend to be, but the obvious question is why don't you call her?

Seems you are all ready to go, you got names, issues, and phone numbers.

Tweepee

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crossfire, she's a PR woman. She only answers media requests. Someone on staff at this site has to call. That's how PR works.

Keiffer

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazydog makes a valid point. Had the contest for re-entry into the house been a contest amoungst the four and not up to the HG's, and Eric had come back in with information about the HoH being paticularly important for him this week, and had his mom telling him that she liked or disliked a person, or a random people coming up to him and saying things about other players still in the house I wonder if there would still be this attitude of play and let play. If Tonya had come back and her BF had said something about not liking or liking a person what would the defenders on this thread be saying?

Sure the people wronged are going to be doing the complaining. It's like in a football game when a player knows he trapped a ball and didn't catch it... do his team members start yelling at the refs to call it incomplete? Danny came out ahead on this one because Amy's mom said she liked her, and Amy did what she wanted as HoH. If Amy's mom had told her she didn't like Danny, and she had put up Danny up for eviction do you really think that Danny would be silent when she found out?

Jhezzie

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazy, to tell you the truth, I don't see them have a fit like this. I see them developing a plan to get whoever the heck back out the door or converting them to their side.

Car54

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy is no way gonna win this game. The guys will keep her for fun, but she is not gonna win, so at best she is a tool of the game, like the visiting Survivors or Sheryl Crowe.

It is the producer's show. The show is about giving up control over your surroundings and environment, they put Amy back in, get over it or go home. When you produce YOUR reality show, you can send Amy home.

Crossfire

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I see the angle you are working...unfortunately, I don't consider this site to be media.

Perhaps an email to John Powell to see if he would like to take up the issue would be better. I exchanged email with him last year, and he seems receptive.

I doubt most would be willing to stick their neck out too far though, CBS is pretty controlling on how they handle issues and most media would not want to get put on a blacklist by making demands.

Tweepee

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 05:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crossfire, media don't get put on a blacklist for asking pointed questions.

I don't mean to be rude, it's not my intent, but if you don't know how the system works you can't really say stuff like that accurately. If this site isn't media, I sure don't know what is. Web sites are media. You don't have to write articles to be media.

Mods, that was her work phone, not her home phone. Relax. I wish you guys were more interested in helping those of us who are shut out of the feeds.

Crossfire

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 05:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, not a problem at all, you were not being rude at all until you implied that I did not know how the system works. But since you claim not to intend harm, I will take none from it.

Let me put it another way. Not all media is equal. Some media is not susceptible to being pushed around, some have to beg for simple acknowledgment.

For example, if the NYT were to call up asking pointed questions, they would get results. Kent, a man with a web site, gets easily pushed aside.

Tweepee

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 05:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crossfire, how I love you. Oh, yes.

Crossfire

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 05:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Heheh, this is a great site isn't it? Mutual love all around.

:)

Stingerman

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 05:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I tell you the people that should be Sueing CBS is Us!!! We pay for feeds and every day they just get worse and worse. It seems to be more FOTH than feeds these days.

You would assume that CBS is getting a good chunk of change from Real for the show so you would think they would want to keep there customers happy not to mention Real.

If BB was just a show and didn't have any internet feeds then I am sure it would die a very fast and furious death.

JMHO

Ryanc2002

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 05:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Stingerman - Let me know how The lawfirm of Bob and Joe does against CBS' billion dollar lawyers.

Reader234

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This so much reminds me of all the "conspiracy" theory thread that was posted last year and NOTHING comes of it. It is a "reality" show, not a "game" show, so the rules are in the grey area, and CBS/Arnold are taking liberties that will help gain an audience, and advertizers to make the almighty dollar. Survivor 1, lawsuit, nothing comes of it, how is this talk Amy has any different than what went down in Survivor?

oh and Ryan in our paper recently they are looking into the 'class action' lawsuits ie lawyers that make $$$millions, while John Q Public gets extremely little (esp when John doesnt know about the lawsuit, and his entitlements stay with the law firm, I can see where a class action lawsuit would/could be filed about this 24/7 feed situation, and no one (or few ) would know or recover much in settlements (certainly you wouldnt recover the$24 because you did get "some" feeds as promised. And dont you think showing the Crow concert is in a way a "golden yummie" being thrown to appease the LFP and hopefully get more (*cough ) people signed up?

Stingerman

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So very true Ryan by the time it even went to court BB10 would be over and I would be living on the streets!!!

Pugholio

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It is a game show in that a prize is offered. Any network that tampers with the outcome of a game show will be out of business, with executives in jail before very long.

Ryanc2002

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So if a prize is involved it's a game show?

Draheid

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have just one question for anyone in this thread - Who has read the official rules to this game and/or the contract that was signed by the houseguests prior to entering the house?

Without reading BOTH of these, none of us can say what is and isn't fair. I am certain that noone on the staff of ASP/CBS coerced or deceived these people into signing the contracts that they have signed. So by signing the contract and continuing to reside in the house and play the 'game', they continue to consent to abide by the rules.

IMHO - End of story/discussion!

JMO - FWIW

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Pugholio

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would certainly think it applies. There are rules to follow and prizes are awarded. No different than feeding answers to players on Jeopardy.

By the way, I was part of 3 screwed over CBS employees who were trying to get paid a grand total of $100,000.00 that our union contract clearly said we were due.

CBS flew their top lawyer back to L.A. from New York for him to listen to our lawyer for about 10 minutes. He then stood up, said we had found a loophole, were the biggest crooks he had seen, and that CBS would spend 100 million to fight having to pay the 100 grand.

I doubt they are too worried.

Busterfla

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Draheid :-)

Reader234

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 06:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
(ah Dra you're libel to take all the fun out of the boards!! *G j/k of course!!)

Draheid

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 07:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Reader234: SO SUE ME!!! LoL :O
You can reach my law firm, Dewey, Cheatem, & Howe at 1-800-We-Cheat

Whit4you

Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dra - my city has a resturant called


Dewey-Cheatem & Howe (not sure of the spelling but that's the name of the resturant :)