Atheist Roddy playing the game
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Nutsy | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:49 am     Did the posters question Jason's beliefs? I thought they were discussing how his beliefs affected his game playing. |
Oregonfire | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:04 am     The thread "Christian Jason Playing the Game" was started by a Christian, and at the time I seriously questioned the wisdom of going there. (I think everyone knows that by now ) Prior to that thread being started, Jason's Christianity in the context of the game received passing mention in various threads, but was never really discussed in depth. I think most were content to leave it alone. |
Twiggyish | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:06 am     Back to Atheist Roddy and his actions in the house.... |
Babyruth | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:12 am     <"If Roddy had said some of the same things about homosexuals that he said about women, I bet SanFran wouldn't be liking him so much."> Yowch. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:19 am     Babyruth and Oregon: Does that sentence come out sounding harsh or judgmental because that truly was not my intention? I respect SanFran and his opinions and would never want to seem disrespectful. |
Oregonfire | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:25 am     Umm...I'm not sure. I guess that's up to SanFran! |
Serena | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:29 am     Kearie said: "I've also never heard of people being killed for their "non-belief" in a god." Oh my god!:} You HAVEN'T?? Atheists were amongst the persecuted groups sent to death camps under the Nazi regime. In the history of humankind, with centuries and centuries of religious regimes as the dominant social and political structures, how many people do you think were killed because they were believed to be 'heretics'? Try having operated an open 'atheist' organization under the Taliban. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:31 am     Hmmmm. Well in the interest of clarification let me just say that I was using one group with which I identify and one group with which SanFran identifies to illustrate a point. Point being that when *your* group is the one being belittled it's a little hard not to take it personally. |
Babyruth | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:45 am     Point well taken. And I know it was meant in fun. I also know it's none of my business! But I had to say something. My own discomfort with your innocent statement was that it seemed to imply that perhaps SF would care more about homosexuals being disrespected than about women being disrespected. SF seems to me like the kind of guy who is principled about respect in general. But, like Oregon said, it's really up to him. |
Snogrl | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:18 pm     Dang, I hate it that Roddy is so slick. In his conv. with Josh right now he is definitely playing for the end game to make sure Josh would support him in the final 2. Josh just said "you know I want you to win the money" Roddy - "cause you know you and your girlfriend will be f**ing drinking margaritas in the Venetian on me" |
Mystery | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:30 pm     I'll be in Vegas from Thursday-Sunday and staying at the Venetian (company paying for rooms, I'm afraid it will spoil us forever for real hotel rooms!) so maybe *I* should drink margaritas to the BB3 cast! I'm particularly hoping to catch site of Tonya. |
Snee | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:55 pm     wow, snogrl! he did it to amy and now he's done it to josh. and all those parting messages of his...so kind and generous. this guy is good! oh, and he's an atheist. <--gotta keep on topic! |
Sanfranjoshfan | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 05:32 pm     Kearie - "Sanfran--You picked my post apart almost a word at a time." Yes, I suppose I did....I found that I disagreed with almost every one of your words. :-) "I was speaking in general terms about posters at TVCH, which you are a part of, and how people on this board...which you are a part of...first criticized Jason for his Christian beliefs. " Okay, yes, I am a part of the group of posters at TVCH. However, I do not think in a collective within this group. I am not Borg. I have not been assimilated. Besides, I never criticized Jason for his beliefs... not once, not ever, so how on earth can *I* answer that question?. You may be assuming that since I do not share Jason's religious beliefs that I am critical of Jason as a person. I am not. I respect Jason as a person a great deal and I hope he wins. (really!) Bottom line: *I* am speaking for ME, for Sanfranjosh(souza)fan, Daniel Pittman, an atheist poster on this board. I am not a part of the collective that you think of as being of one mind, so I cannot answer for other individuals on this board. That is the very definition of sharing a "herd mentality" in my book. Like I said before: "I choose to think individually rather than collectively". (Besides....I never remember reading anyone criticizing Jason for his christian beliefs.) "Your talking semantics." No, I do not believe I am. "I'm wondering why the posters of this board first questioned Jason's religious beliefs..." I don't think that they (or I) did. I remember that I pointed out MY beliefs, but I never questioned JASON's beliefs. "which you said is the more accepted belief of the country." Yes, I think Jason's christian faith is the most popular in America...(that is, generally, if you don't break it down into denmnominations) "(Assuming that the board is reflective of our society's beliefs) " I don't assume that....you do. I never assumed that the collective body of beliefs here at TVCH is representative of the collective beliefs of all of society. Well, I suppose I may have picked apart every word of your post again....but it was the only way I could attempt an adequate response. Please don't take anything I said personally...I do not mean any of it that way. (really!) JMO self edited addendum - can we get back to talking about Roddy here? I still like him okay both as a player and a heathen. :-) |
Kearie | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 05:41 pm     I don't take anyone's post seriously. I would like to make a request. Read the post and think about the ONE point I am TRYING to make. I think you can understand what I was trying to say as a whole. Then try to respond to the post as a whole, rather than peice by peice. Communication---trying to understand someone as they meant to be understood. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 05:49 pm     Wcv63 - "If Roddy had said some of the same things about homosexuals that he said about women, I bet SanFran wouldn't be liking him so much. " You bet right! I don't just like someone because he is atheist! There are a lot of things. I like Roddy cuz he's smart and handsome and apparently not at all homophobic. And we DO share a belief in....well, nothing. :-) Actually, I never heard him say anything really misogynist....I'm not saying he didn't, just that I haven't seen it. I think he may be too smart for his britches and that his frustration at being (or believing he is) the most intellectual HG will be (if it isn't already) his downfall. So far, I don't hate him at all. This kind of reminds me of the last 2 BB's. In BB1 I really liked ChickenIdiot, but eventually spent $20 in pohone calls to vote him out! Last year I loved Hardy and hated Will, but before it was over, I was yelling at Hardy and rooting for Will! (Well, with Will, it did boil down to a lesser of two evils!). My point is that as the game progresses, I may totally change my mind. So far, everyone is still pretty much okay in my book except Chia and Josh....ooh, icky. And to stay on topic....it's interesting how Roddy the heathen not compromised his atheism and been caught praying under the covers! LOL (Btw, it was nice knowing that you, Wcv63, Babyruth, and Oregonfire were thinking about me while I was out today! I wasn't upset about the homo comment at all....you were exactly right, Wcv63!) :-) |
Sanfranjoshfan | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 05:52 pm     Kearie - No one criticized Jason for his beliefs. Your question was not based on a true statment. How can it be answered? How can that be more clear? And that belongs in the Christian Jason thread anyhow. JMO |
Kearie | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 05:56 pm     Yes sir. My bad. Nice skirt. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 06:22 pm     Kearie - I don't skirt issues. You are just not making any sense to me at all. You asked me why a everybody in this group did something that I DON'T believe ANYONE did. How should I know? How can I answer that? That is unanswerable. You have yet to respond to *anything* I have said.....talk about a skirt - that's an entire ensemble! :-) Your suppositions are your own. I cannot answer a question that I believe is based on an untrue statement. That's like asking me what I think God thinks of my (or Roddy's) atheism. If you would like to ask me an intelligent question, then I will do my best to answer it. Your post, the one I dissected, made no sense to me. Back to topic - Go Heathen Go! ;-) |
Sanfranjoshfan | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 06:30 pm     "Communication---trying to understand someone as they meant to be understood." Mind reading---trying to understand someone as they meant to be understood. |
Laffy | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 04:07 am     sanfran, just a question... i have read about the "herd mentality" on this thread and your opposition to following it. does this mean you can never agree with a majority opinion simply because it is the majority? based on your apparent definition, it appears you would always have to agree with the minority, to do otherwise would require you to "follow the herd." or... is it only a "herd" when the majority believes something other than you? |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 09:15 am     Laffy , Interesting question. I guess for me "following the herd mentality" is just following the herd *because* everyone else is....without drawing one's own conclusions. I suppose you can run along with the herd as long as the herd is going somewhere you feel is safe or right for you. To just blindly follow the herd over a cliff or into an area that does not suit you or your beliefs is what I mean by that term. It's like the kid that tells his mother that he is smoking because all of his friends are...the often used reply to that peer pressure argument is "Well, if they jumped off a cliff, would you?" A kid that refused to smoke even if all his friends were smoking because he personally felt it was wrong for him would be going against the herd mentality. I wouldn't be surprised if there were others in the house with less faith in the divine than they profess....but to say so would set them apart and make them more vulnerable to others. I have even seen people on this board that said they do not believe in god but are very reluctant to say so, in many situations. I happen to disbelieve the same thing that Roddy disbelieves so I admire him for being so "out" with that idea in a house full of people that don't agree. JMO |
Laffy | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 11:16 am     okay, that's fair. |
Dfwteddy | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 11:56 am     I'm glad that's settled. But I still have one question: What does an atheist scream out when in the throws of passion? (I apologize for the arcane language, but I couldn't think of another way to get that question past the moderators!) |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 12:08 pm     Dfwteddy - Q - "But I still have one question: What does an atheist scream out when in the throws of passion? A - Nothing :-) |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 01:13 pm     How quiet the throes must be. |
Kearie | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 01:21 pm     Laffy...Thanks for understanding me as I meant to be understood. Did we communicate or did you simply read my mind? |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 01:56 pm     Wcv63 - Well, I think it may sometimes be grunts and groans and an occasional "AEEEEAAAGGGGHHHHHRRRR!" LOL |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 03:54 pm     SanFran: "AEEEEAAAGGGGHHHHHRRRR!" So THAT'S how you atheist types spell God. I'm assuming it's pronounced phonetically?
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Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 04:00 pm     Wcv - "So THAT'S how you atheist types spell God." That's how I spell "RELIEF". LOL <is it getting crude in here or what?> |
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