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Goddessatlaw

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Truthfully, I don't think the argument over King Roddy or Dunce Roddy matters much - Chiara's going to be out next week (much to my everlasting glee and thanks) and Roddy is going to be cast adrift to find himself a new way. If he manages to work through the landmines and find a way to win, then he deserves every dollar he gets. For playing the game. And the others deserve to lose for letting themselves be played. Dont' like Roddy - never did. But it wouldn't bother me that he won under those circumstances.

Onlymytulips

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
wow.....C1mag you see so enlightened over Roddy. Do you personally know him? Or do you understand where he is coming from, due to a similar personality? If Amy does put up Gerry and Chaira....will Chiara leave? So, then Josh wasn't a buddy of Roddy's? I thought he was after the talks they had. Please explain.

Gouraphik

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ugh. I was afraid of this. We won't know for sure until tomorrow, but once Amy's made up her mind, that's it. I'm not mad at her...Amy's either been snowed, or is playing for herself, or a combination of the two. Whatever. At least it's interesting to watch!

The current situation reminds me of the chorus to an old Run DMC song:

Who's house?
Say what?
(Rod's) house!
S-say what? :)

Woodpecke®

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I am listening. No humble pie at all. There is no requirement that Roddy leave this week, and that is still a distinct possibility. We still have a POV hanging out there, and if Danielle gets it, Amy will have screwed herself and Roddy will be toast. You need to let this play out before you get any recognition from me. I am the first to admit when I am wrong. I am still waiting for Roddy to accomplish even one thing in this game. He is killing off all his friends.

Onlyhuman

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddessatlaw...I think Chiara is gone ONLY if Roddy does not save her with the POV. I'm about 90% sure that he won't even TRY to win it, but I could be wrong and it may only be my imagination that he is distancing himself from her.

The thing that cracks me up the most is that the "Charmed" ones wanted Amy to win HOH for the exact reason that they said they voted her out in the first place...because she is too selfish and emotional. They thought for sure that she would let her anger at Roddy & Chiara determine her nominations. They forgot what power Roddy has over her!

People...learn this lesson...if you want a job done, don't trust it to amateurs!

C1mag

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Read archives on Roddy Only.. Just read the archives. The man has been proclaimed by every person in the house as the most powerful player. They all know he should go but each time he keeps pulling through. No Josh was NOT a friend. He was a free get out of jail card that was played perfectly last week. Roddy wouldn't give that guy two seconds of his time on the outside. Roddy doesn't give damn if Chiara goes just as long as he is in the game. The goal was to not get nominated this week it was not to save Chiara. He has succeeded. He can talk his way too victory with these suckers we just saw that. Yes I am enlightened by Roddy. He intrigues the hell out of me because his game is not about alliances it is about playing each person and avioding a boot all on his own.

Gouraphik

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't confuse C1mag's admiration for Roddy's skills as a player (or anybody's, unless they explicity say so) for a tacit approval of his actions or his methods. You can respect a thief's skill while simultaneously condeming his actions.

Personally, I have no partisan or ideological motive in analyzing any HG. I like to focus on strategy. If I personally like an HG, but his/her strategy sucks, then it sucks. If I dislike the HG, but find that his/her strategy is sound, then it's sound.

Didn't mean to get all "chivalrous" in defending your honor, C1mag. I just wanted to clear up some misconceptions. :)

Goddessatlaw

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
AHA!!!!!!! Do I sense a grudging respect for Roddy with C1? C1, I hate seeing sh*ts like him get away with stuff, too (see it ALL the time in the court system, under much more dangerous circumstances), but - it's a game and he's certainly playing it right now. Roddy will sacrifice anyone else willingly at the altar of his success. The rest should be more like him. Amy is writing her own ticket home if she doesn't nominate him this week. If Chiara stays, Amy has one serious (and mean) enemy in the house. If Roddy stays because she didn't nominate him, she has roughly five enemies. Amy has to get Chiara out and appease the frothing masses too. She has to give them the opportunity to save or evict Roddy. If she doesn't, she's out the next week. But that's not Roddy's fault. He's doing what he has to to try to stay in, just like Josh (finally) tried last week.

C1mag

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood you don't need friends to get to the top of this game you need suckers and he has found a whole house of them. This guy knew he was toast if he got nominated and he has done what was the impossible for some. He has avoided nomination. Who cares if Chiara goes? He knew it was either her or him this week. He's safe she's toast and he did nothing to campaign for her. What more do you need to see that this guy is incredible? You were positive he was going to be nominated. He isn't and yet you won't concede this guy is excellent at this game. Is this a problem with you? By avoiding nomination he has already forced you to eat humble pie. If the man actually wins this contest is that the only time you will admit he is the king of this game? Come on, step down a bit an admit the man is damn good at this game. You play this game based on fantasy scenarios. He should have been the one too go last week. He avoided it. He should be nominated again this week. He isn't going to be. That is brilliance on his part.

Goddessatlaw

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
PS have I reiterated how intensely I dislike Roddy? I'm not defending him - I'm damning the others who allow themselves to get sucked into his happy load of horsesh*t. I despise stupidity more than I despise Roddy, yes I do.

Battlestar

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy want Chiara gone, Roddy is not her target.

C1mag

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've said it before... I CAN'T STAND RODDY!! But I concede he is the best damn player in that house by far. My anger and digust is at all of them in the house. They had their opportunity to nail him this last week and he slid right through. He's got nothing to lose by stepping up his game and with Amy he did just that. It was by far the creepiest moment of this whole show. He was more deviant than ever. Made more promises and did more mind f__king than he has ever done before. She admitted she was gonna nominate him before she came back in the house. After talking to him she just can't do it. That says a lot!

It's almost as if he was hand picked as the winner and then they picked the type of personalities that would fall prey to his game. It still amazes me that the man is playing with no solid alliances. He does it one on one. Creeps under their skin and pulls it off.

Two straight weeks in a row he makes fools out of all of them. He didn't even need to win hoh. Next week the same thing will happen again.

Woodpecke®

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"He (Josh) was a free get out of jail card that was played perfectly last week. Roddy wouldn't give that guy two seconds of his time on the outside." That statement is absolutely untrue. He would have avoided nomination from his alleged girlfriend had he agreed to vote Josh out. You need to be more careful with your facts, C1Mag.

Onlyhuman

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess...I agree with you mostly, except for the part about Amy writing her own ticket home. She is not long for this house, no matter what. Marcellus is her only friend and his loyalties have already been suspect. If the rest of the alliance evicted Roddy, Amy would have Chiara still hating her, the rest of them viewing her as "expendable" and her chances would not be very good at all. At least by getting rid of Chiara, she is elimating the person who is a definite vote against her. I'm not saying she will survive any longer, but at least she won't be in danger of Chiara winning HOH again.

Like I said, they are all to wimpy to get their hands dirty and they are going to suffer for that choice!

Onlyhuman

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood, Roddy could have avoided nomination, BUT he would have lost Josh's vote in the end. He is ALWAYS thinking about the end game. His greatest source of power is that he does nothing overtly, just leaves it up to everyone else. Even in the Amy eviction, he made it seem like it was HER fault she was going, and everyone in the house agreed with him, including AMY.

He has NO dirt on him, except for the eviction of Lori, and, even then, I don't know that he ever PROMISED to vote to save her.

C1mag

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I also have to say that the other thing that fires my anger about Roddy and keeps me posting about him is that his game is brutal. He is making them look like idiots one by one. They all say he is the best player. They call him the master manipulator and yet they won't get him out. People need to give up the theory that if one of his suckers, I mean buddys is sent home that he is some how weaker. The rest of the house eliminated all his buddys for him. It's brilliant!! He didn't have to do the dirty work. Pay attention!! They are all playing the game for him! All he has to do is talk to them one on one. He needs no alliance and has stayed in good graces with all his buddies because the others voted them off. Marcellus will do exactly what Amy is doing. Gerry will be played as well with a promise or two. Amy is gonna need someone in her corner. Enter the King. He is making them look like complete fools. This is where my anger is at. Call it fanatical... I could care less. Thats what makes this board so great. A place to vent.

Woodpecke®

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He did not need to be nominated to get Josh's vote in the end. That is ridiculous. He has done nothing to help his cause yet, and he is in a load of trouble.

Wcv63

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't dispute that Roddy is a powerful adversary. I don't dispute that he knows how to distort perception with charm and smarm. I don't dispute that Roddy, left unchecked, could easily win this game.

However, I don't care for Roddy's personality. I don't care for Roddy's attitude. And I don't care for Roddy's hubris. In fact, I don't care for Roddy. At all.

I would prefer to see someone, whose personality I like, respect or admire, succeed in this game.

Is Roddy the King? It depends on the kingdom.

C1mag

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood I gave you the facts. I stated Josh was not his friend. He isn't. His own friends would tell you that about Roddy just like they admitted Chiara is the furthest from the type of woman he would hang with. FACT: Josh was a pawn and we all know that. He was suppose to be used later on in the game as a shield to get rid of at the right time. It worked out sooner rather than later. I do not recall Chiara telling Rod he wouldn't be safe if he voted Josh out. She said she was nom him because she believed the house would definitely be 100 percent behind Josh going for HER benefit. Another fact! The funny thing is that he isn't being nominated this week and it should have happened but for some strange reason you won't concede the man is brilliant at this game. You're just waiting to see Roddy booted eventually to say... "See, he didn't win" I'm saying each time he makes it through he is brilliant because he should have been the target based on the game. Do you pick one poster out on this board that irritates you and then you throw b.s out at them? Admit it... Right now Roddy is the best player in this game. He has avoided another potential boot at this time and won't even be nominated. Thats brilliance.

Wendo

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 06:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In addition, Roddy worked it in such a way to KEEP Gerry in the game. Roddy wants to be in the finals with Gerry. He has since he was HOH and he made that first deal with him. And, he got Amy to do it for him.

C1mag, I have to say my feelings about Roddy are as strong, if not stronger, as yours. I will admit here and now he is playing a great game, I just don't like the way he's playing it. The mind f*cks really piss me off.

C1mag

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood how in hell is Roddy in trouble this week? He isn't even going to be nominated when he was suppose to? What the hell is your trip? Are you doing this debate just for kicks or are you really that blind? The man is now playing from moment to moment. Right now he has this game under control and on his own against the majority of the house has avoided nomination. Thats being in trouble? Thats called brilliance. I think you might get off on throwing stupidity out there.

C1mag

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo I totally agree. His game of mind f__king the house drives me up the wall. Maybe you and I are the only ones that have met someone like Roddy so we noticed this in him. It amazes me that those who wouldn't admit that Roddy needed to go on Thursday still won't concede this man is brilliant at this game. It makes you think that Rod has even Mind F__ked some of the viewers. Who said you need alliances to win this game?

Bmh

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok..Im gonna die..I dont wanna agree with you C1mag..but I am afraid I have too...Roddy sux..this guy is bad news..he needs to go..Amy is dumb..she is screwing everything up!!..I dont give a flying f*ck if Roddy is on the block 2 weeks in a row..he needs to go!!!!!!!!!...sigh..

well if Amy is dumb enough to nominate Jason and chiara then it is VERY IMPORTANT for Lisa,Dani,or Marcie to get POV and veto Jason out so Amy will have no choice but to nominate Roddy..and then he will go this is the only way he will get kicked to the curb..but that is even a long shot..

Wendo

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellas is incredulous. He really looks incredulous. He wants Roddy to stay, but he wants him up there with Chiara to make sure Chiara goes.

Woodpecke®

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 07:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He has NO CHANCE OF WINNING THIS GAME. None. He has been played. He is not even halfway to the end and he is left with trying to kiss Amy's butt and hope he doesn't get nominated on veto. I am done discussing this with you. He is in major trouble. You choose to ignore it. If Roddy wins, I will admire him more as a game show contestant than Fannie Flagg. But the 10,000 words you have written will not change the result. He is gone long before the final 3, and these rambling posts of yours will be fun to relive.......over and over again.