Lisa's heartbreaking choice
MoveCloseDeleteAdmin

TV ClubHouse: Archives: Lisa's heartbreaking choice
 SubtopicMsgs  Last Updated
Archive through August 15, 2002 26   08/15 06:58pm
Archive through August 15, 2002 25   08/15 08:51pm
Archive through August 16, 2002 25   08/16 01:44am

Blinky

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 03:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am shocked so many seemed surprized with Lisa's decision of voting for Amy to come back in. Lisa stated almost a week ago that she didn't want Eric back in cause with him it was all about Roddy and that now that he was out of the house she had total foccus on the game. I don't think she had a difficult decision at all. It wasn't like she was voting for him to be evicted from the house. If Eric doesn't support, her so what! (If I had a choice to vote back in my best friend that I had been friends with for years, knowing it wouldn't help me win the game no way would I do it.) Why should she be heartbroken? I am glad she is smart enough not to jepordise her potentional win in the house due to an uncommitted relationship that started only a month ago under abnormal conditions ... after all she is playing to win the game.

Serena

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 08:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Blinky, couldn't agree more. People are projecting 'heartbreak' onto the situation when it isn't there.

Crazydog

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Blinky, I'm not surprised about it, I know that she had thought it would not be good strategy for her to have Eric back. I know on a personal level she said she would have loved to have Eric back. As I've stated in the "blows to be Eric" thread, I am just disappointed that seeing as how her vote wouldn't have made a difference that she at least couldn't show him she cares about him.

Dreamweaver

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 08:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lisa did the right thing for herself. Had the positions been reversed and Eric had the choice, I'm sure he would have done the same thing. Even though they are "in love" (yeah right), they both are in the game for the game.

Gina8642

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 08:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa made a strong decision. She did what she thought would benefit herself the most in this game. I hope Eric will understand that. Clearly they have something 'real'. How far that will go once the game is over, I have no idea.

Laura11103

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 09:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lisa was afraid if Eric came back she'd never sleep again with his sleeptalking.... lol.

But seriously, I think most viewers took for granted that Lisa would vote Eric back in the house, I sure did. What a major shock. But she did the smart thing, she's a very strong woman and I admire her strength. I can't imagine that Eric would be mad at her, if he is, then he's just a sore loser.

Duchess

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess we'll figure out Eric's sentiment when he sees Lisa again and avoids saying Hi... :P

Minnyace01

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 09:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm glad to see that all of the women on the board can understand how Eric will feel when he views what's happened tonight. I can tell you that being of the male species - it's over! She has no excuse for what she did. There are two things that men ask for in a partner - loyalty to your partner and never to be embarrassed in public by them. She violated both of these. As someone else posted in another thread, can you imagine how Eric is going to feel when he walks back into the fire station after his "so-called" girlfriend voted not to let him back into the house? Ladies - that relationship is over!

Sheila494

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
what i was saying about kaylee busting scarlett is that scarlett got on scarlett about puting down lisas looks..and kaylee reminded scarlett that scarlett had previously said that lisas face was rather monkeyish.

Keiffer

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Look there NEVER was this girls vs the house thing that many people want to point to as reason for Chiara being evil for her vote. Has Danny for one moment shown that she would stand up for Chiara above other men in the house? If 1/3 of the group has no intention of living up to the deal then it isnt a real deal. In addition Chiara was never in a romantic situation with the two girls. Lisa is the one who is supposed to care for Eric in a way beyond friendship. Sorry, but if a wife or GF betrayed a guy he would be more upset from that than from a guy doing it. Just saying that Eric had every reason to expect her vote... at least as much as Lisa expected Chaira's.

Look like I said I have been a Lisa fan since week 2, and hope she wins. I just hope she hasn't become one of Dan's pawns like Jason, and Marcy have. I hope that beyond not wanting Eric back she has seen the alliance of D/J/M from sleeping with them, and she is prepared to nomminate two of them if she wins HoH.

If no one goes against Dan's alliance this is going to become a very very boring game.

Maris

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Remember there is a possibility that Amy and Marc will go against her alliance. When it was Amy and Marc togehter they had numerous conversations about how they didn't trust her. We may see a new alliance of Amy Marc and maybe Roddy? or Jason?

Janekat0629

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Lisa had a brain, she should have known that Amy already had the votes. She just succeeded in losing 4 votes if she is in the finals that she would have had: Eric, Roddy, Chiara and Josh. People on both sides do NOT take kindly to a turncoat. In addition, Danielle and Co. will never completely trust her. If she swung so completely over in such a short time, how do they know she won't do the same to them if they anger her?

Her best bet is to "straddle" the fence. Let Chiara and Roddy thinks she's on their side. There are so many people on the other side right now. It's 6 to 2. Roddy and Chiara are completely neturalized.

Keiffer

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The only other consideration I have is that Amy would or could put Lisa for eviction. Eric in the house is a for sure person that would never ever put Lisa up. Not only that he would never vote against her if she were up and he wasnt. With fewer people in the house it isn't for sure that they would automatically become a target right away.

Crazydog

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer, I agree. Had Eric come back there is no doubt in my mind he would have won the HoH - he is not afraid of anything. With Lisa presumably back on his side, the two of them and Roddy/Chiara would control the game.

Wiseolowl

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think I'm going to get in trouble for this but here it goes.. As a male poster was a little sceptical of the title of the thread "heartbreaking decision".. sounded a little soap operaish to me. And going through the threads ,bearing in mind that usernames are often generically neutral ; my take is that the majority of posters have been women and certainly those who have been so touched. Guess am trying to say that maybe we aren't looking for the romance aspect as much . Maybe its a Mars vs Venus thing. Am sure Barbara Cartland is thankful that the Good Lord deemed that 51% of the population aren't men.

Kaylee

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Minniyace, I couldn't aggree more with you on this. Just like what I've posted last night, Eric might even spit on her face if he ever saw her again. I've dated macho type guys like Eric and for them to be humiliated and betrayed by a woman is totally devastating, especially in a case like this - on national television. Most people here who are depending her action are women who don't really understand the male psyche and talking about double standard, this same women I'm sure will be bashing Eric non stop if the reversed thing happened.

As much a I don't like Shannon of last year, I somewhat started to appreciate and admired her for what she did for her man Will. She even campaigned for Will to stay in the game. She was so furious with Hardy because she feels its unfair being forced to be separated from her sweethearth and end their blooming relationship. That's the true sign of real love, the willingness to take the fall for your beloved. And certainly not on this year's case with Lisa.
By the way, Will and Shannon are still very much together, a few days ago in the LA Times it says Shannon visited Will on the Love Shack mansion.

Crazydog

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 01:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wiseolowl, I am a guy and I think you're saying that women are posting in this thread saying "oh how tragic". On the contrary, I think many of the women posters here are saying something along the lines of "you go girl" and "good for you for not needing your man". I think many of the posts supporting Lisa's decision are tinged with a little feminist thought.

I am disappointed with Lisa's choice, mainly for the reasons Minnyace and Kaylee stated. Not because I think Lisa should have rolled over for Eric but because if she had really cared for him she at least could have thrown him a vote. She should have known that her vote was meaningless and by voting against Eric she will hurt him. Eric is a guy's guy and he might understand once he thinks about it and if she has anything to say in the DR to him, but his initial reaction will be one of shock and hurt. I think Eric and Lisa really care for each other and I hope they can get past this.

However, I see the parallels with Will and Shannon but there's a difference. Shannon was not very well liked in the house and I think part of her blowup with Hardy was to avoid the embarrassment of eviction. She knew she would have no chance to win and thus she should sacrifice herself to better his chances. I thought this year Eric and Lisa had before they were nominated discussed the fact that if it ever happened that the person with the lesser chance to win would sacrifice themselves. The problem is that they were equal, neither had a better or worse chance than the other. I think the fact that neither was willing to campaign against the other or let the other sacrifice themselves shows that they too cared for each other.

Keiffer

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 01:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Lisa is being praised for a decision that had Roddy, Chaira, or Eric made they would be getting bashed for being a traitor. And the only reason that Lisa isn't is because she has set herself up to be no compitition to Dan. If Eric had come back the couples would have been four strong again, and outnumbered Dan's team.

Marysafan

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does this mean that Lisa won't "get laid when this is all over"? lol!

I am not enthralled with Eric's lack of respect toward women in general. Lisa can do better.

Blinky

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa had already decided she could play the game better with Eric out of the house. I assume Lisa couldn't be 100% sure on how all HGs would vote, so why would she take the chance of giving Eric a "HI" vote and risk him coming back into the house

Chelle

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am with you Keiffer. There are such double standards in the house. Chiara's betrayal of Lisa has gotten blown way out proportion. She really did think Lisa had backstabbed her. Danielle used this and used it to her advantage to get Lisa on her side. If Lisa really thinks that Danielle will take her to the end she is dumber than I thought. If someone doesn't stand up then Lisa will go as soon as Roddy, Chiara and Gerry are gone.

Her decision not to give Eric the vote may have been for the game which Eric may or may not understand. If I were him I would be really hurt.

Becca

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 02:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa and Eric discussed the fact that in the game, they would turn on each other. They never had a we will make it into the final two deal. (Lisa and Chiara did.) I think Lisa knew that even there, Eric was not long for the game. She felt that Eric didn't protect her in the game, so know she was protecting Lisa. In the end Lisa wouldn't be able to save Eric, why not try to save herself. Her and Eric did not have an alliance.

Keiffer

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 02:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa and Chiara had a spoken deal to try to get each other to the final two? Man, not too many people have seen more than I of this show, and I just don't remember that convo. I remember some loose talk amoungst D/L/C a couple of times in the HRD, and way back when T/L/C talking outside about watching out for the girls, but I have not heard them plot, or plan based on ways to make them the final two like I have J/D.

Zoomerkitty

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa didn't look very hesitant or heartbroken to me when she held up that red paddle! She looked very confident in her choice. And as a woman, I was thrilled to see her going against her "type" and not bringing him back in. When he was in the house, she came off as the "Aw shucks, I'd do anything for my man" sort of woman. I've gotten a kick out of watching her develop her own personality and make the decision that she wants to win the game!

Misslibra

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 02:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa did the right thing, even though Eric is one of my favorites, and I would love to see him come back into the house, I can understand why she did what she did.

1.She was in a fog when Eric was there because they were so into each other. Neither one expected to fall for each other the way they did but it happen. And I believe they really do care for each other.

2.Eric was playing the game for himself, and Lisa had to do the same, after all this is a game and not a love story. (I love a good love story BTW)

3.I believe Lisa felt that if Eric had of come back into the house, she would have not only been distracted, but it would of also put targets on both of their backs again, and she would have to go through another emotional split with him. In this game you have to keep your eye on the prize if you expect to win. And her eyes are open wide now.

Remember while Eric was their so many things were going on that Lisa didn't know about half of the stuff until he left. Why, because she wasn't playing game.

4.After the game I think they will hook up despite what some of you think, I believe Eric will understand. I give Eric more credit as a person then to spit in someones face. Eric don't even come off to me as that kind of person, I don't care how macho he is, any person that would spit in someones face is a jerk! Macho has nothing to do with it. And Eric don't seem like a jerk to me.

I'm sure Eric will understand her decision, and will be at home rooting for her, counting the days until she is out of the house, and they can get together again. Why some of you feel like he would feel any different is beyond me. He might be a little dissappointed, but that will pass in no time I'm willing to bet.

And when Eric made that comment about "Lisa being the one for now". I didn't take it the way some of you did, and he said he is looking forward to getting with her after the show, and doing things normal people do. I took that to mean they will be hooking up.

I think Lisa is beautiful, inside and out. Her and Eric make a very cute couple. They look like they belong together. Eric had business anyway he needed to take care of at home with his job. So he can tie up his lose ends, and let Lisa bring home the money.

When ask who he would choose to win the money, his friend or his girl he said his girl. When reading some of the posts in this thread, they sound more like a jealous ex-girlfriend posting.

Anyhoo, Lisa and Eric is still my favorite couple inside or outside of the house.

Eric & Lisa

GO LISA GO!!

Misslibra

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 02:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa was crying right after the vote Zoomerkitty, before she even did the HOH challenge. I taped the show and watched it again.

she was also upset after getting out of the tub while taking a shower she was crying. She went in to DR begging them to let her see Eric, because she knew he was there.

She said she just wanted to touch him, hold him, if only for a second but the DR wouldn't let her.

I saw this on live feeds last night. So i'm sure we will see it on tonight's show. I really felt sorry for her. She even told Danielle she didn't vote for Eric and how bad she felt afterwards.

Fruitbat

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope you are wrong Miniace. I would like to think Eric would be proud to love a woman that is playing this game to win. If she had voted for Eric he still would not have made it back into the house. Irrelevant to your point, I know, but may be a factor.

I like them both and hope they make it far enough to give their connection a shot in the real world.

Fruitbat

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 04:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I also cannot forget that Eric faced the DR camera and said he would save himself before Lisa.

Angelwings

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 04:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am really glad so many of you have live feeds. I was and was not surprised by Lisa's decision. I know she would of loved to have Eric back in but she also knew that he would not understand her decision not to side with Roddy and Chiari. She is playing the game now. Not sure if the romance will be much once this is over. The ones from the last Big Brother, did not seem to go anywhere!!! Surprise, Surprise.

Zoomerkitty

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 04:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
MissLibra:

I don't have the live feeds. I was just going by what they showed last night. Maybe after tonight's show, I won't feel the same way about her. It did show are real desire to win the game though!