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Wcv63

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What555: Good going! I can see how this could work. I couldn't wrap my brain around the whys and hows and your answer cleared it up. I should have left the whys and hows alone and just looked for What I guess! (pun intended) :O

Wendo

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zeyna said, "She can't live with it? I will have to agree with Roddy on this one...it's not a charity game they're playing. Otherwise none of them would be there to play it. ARGGGGHHH This is really irritating me. I think I need to get off the computer now."

Obviously it's not the make a wish foundation. But in a game such as this, you use whatever advantage you can. Is she over playing, perhaps. And, if pointing out that some deserve the money more than others advances your position, then you play it. Like I said, it may bite her in the a**. Gotta give the woman credit, she's not going to lay down and lose this game without kicking and fighting. Wrong tactic, maybe. We'll certainly see.

C1mag said, "Wendo but don't you think she is making it too obvious? I have no problem with the focus on the money ,but to out right lie about who she wants in the final 2 is a Josh game plan and this is why I couldn't stand that guy. It's as if she has lost her concentration. There wasn't even a need for this right now."

Perhaps. But, with Marcellas, he's made it clear in the past that there are certain people he wants to win, and others he doesn't. She's playing in to that. She's even said that if she doesn't win, she just wants to be happy with who does. For her, at this point, it's not Roddy. Though, I would argue that if she's on the jury and Roddy is a final two, she would vote for Roddy. Why? Because she's a competitor and I think that she would respect Roddy for playing well and beating her. Funny, though, I don't think Roddy would do the same. JMO.

In addition, I think she did see a need for this now. Why? Because of Gerry. He's unpredictable as a PoV holder, we have proof of that. If Mar feels that the votes for Chi's eviction are there, he may talk to Gerry about not removing Roddy because there's no threat to him. This conversation would not have happend today had Ja, Lisa, or Dani won the PoV.

Seamonkey

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was DANI's idea that LISA would go to AMY and tell her that she, Lisa, wanted to put Chiara up (I love all these arguments that depend on someone getting HOH :) ) and that then LISA would convince AMY to sanction them voting RODDY out this week, so LISA could have her revenge..

This all to try to wiggle out of the promist Dani made that she, Lisa and Jason would vote Chiara out if Amy put Chi and Roddy up together. She trusted this promise and, based on that put Roddy up with Chiara instead of putting up someone else, like Jason.

I think Gerry would rather have Roddy in there. Roddy does stuff with Gerry, plays chess with Gerry, etc. Chiara, who freaks about anyone who doesn't want to hear her story, sure doesn't want to hang out with Gerry, and Gerry knows this.

I kind of hope Gerry does use the POV and takes Roddy off the block.

Right now I'd rather have anyone (except Chiara) win over Dani. And that is too bad; I suspect she has a nice family.

C1mag

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What555 I have to disagree. At least after the POV she would have Roddy up there to tempt with the idea of booting him. If u don't know if he is up there for sure right now then there was no need to discuss the idea yet. The only person to go to at this point would be Gerry. The rest could have waited. If you heard the whole conversation she went well beyond a Roddy boot pitch. She pulled a Josh. It's a good game plan but I still think in the end they are gonna humiliate her so she better accept that 50,000 is the best she is gonna get. Amy could beat her in a final vote for the money at this point. Wendo ( who I adore by the way ) said that Will was a liar and still won because he admitted he would lie. Thats the big problem with Dani. She has given the impression she is up front being honest. She will not be able to switch that song at the end without getting bit. In her case there will be no glory in getting second place. I wish her luck! She's got the lust to actually get there but I think she is really going to regret all of this lying. I still say that this moment was not needed right now. The one thing Roddy has not done is played out his chances for support if he gets to the finals. He has been very careful not to pull this type of playing. She may want this too much!

What555456

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1Mag -- You may be right. This is a risk for Dani. But I think it is one well worth taking.

Keep in mind, Dani plays this week by week -- knowing the mood of the household changes week by week, if not day by day. This is how she is handling this week. When the circumstances change next week, she will adjust to it.

Some may say she is short sighted. But I think this is a game that is played as a series of sprints, not as a marathon. That is what Will did -- he too played it week by week, even while on the block each week. Dani is doing the same. Different means of handling it; but the same strategy of just taking it week by week.

Wendo

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maryk said, "Danielle tottally disgusts me. Playing the 'poor me' card again. Ugh. I'll give in to the fact that it is game and lieing is acceptable. What gets on my nerves is her name calling the others as devil, hos, and other despicable names. She is being a total hypocrite. I need to get away before I kick my computer again..."

Maryk, it's just a card to play and it might backfire. So, Danielle seals her fate and gets the boot in a couple of weeks. But, you might as well play what you have than not play at all.

As far as Dani using words such as devil and evil, I look at that as words along the lines that that person is a threat. Someone not to be trusted, someone to be scared of. They're just words and nothing more. Do you all really believe that she thinks these people are devils? I don't think so at all.

What555456, excellent points. You explained this much better than I.

C1mag, If Roddy stays on the block, I just don't see her passing up the opportunity, a second time. But, she's done it once so....I just don't know. It depends on which act she thinks will hurt her more. (And, judging by Mar's reaction, perhaps that was why she was feeling him out too.) She may decide that going against Amy would put her at more of a disadvantage than taking out Roddy. It's a tough wire to straddle. Maybe that's why this conversation is taking place. She's trying to decide what decision hurts her the most.

Spree17

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
roddy said he cant go anywhere w/o gerry following him. Gerry really is the prison •••••

Phatcat

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
JMO, but I think ol' Gerry might just make one of his deals with Roddy...I'll veto you if you promise not to nom me or vote me out if I get put up. I think Roddy would like to take Gerry to the finals. Can you imagine listening to those two...ARGHHH. IMO, I'm afraid Dani is about to blow it with Marci. Remember, he went to Roddy before with her plans. She should have kept her mouth shut on this one. JMO

Zeyna

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, as I said in my previous post, I agree with what you say, but her personality annoys me. I don't dispute that she's a very good player. Doing the "poor me" in front of Mar however, was not a good tactic since he was very displeased by these statements once before.

What555, what do you mean by saying that she's playing the game week by week? I'm confused because she has her alliances in place (most of the house LOL). Everyone there is playing week by week IMO, and if anything, Dani plans quite a bit in advance in terms of scenarios.

Wendo

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag said, "Wendo ( who I adore by the way ) said that Will was a liar and still won because he admitted he would lie. Thats the big problem with Dani. She has given the impression she is up front being honest."

Aw, flattery will get you everywhere! LOL!

Well, I think Dan has been quite upfront in the DR since the beginning that she knew lying was going to be necessary. In fact, from her bio:

"How do you plan to win BIG BROTHER?

As innocent as a dove and sly as a snake. People will underestimate me. I will be fake as my implants. As soon as I step foot in the house, the game is on! Everyone there is my enemy. I trust no one but God."

Sly as a snake. Fake as implants. Most people associate snakes as liars and deceivers. She's been up front, even in her bio, that this was how she was going to play the game. I don't see how she's done anything to contradict that.

If the HG's fall for her "honesty", well, too bad for them. They should've done a lot more research on all things BB.

C1mag

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Will got real lucky... Two SUCKERS named Nicole and Hardy were playing the game last year. Will simply oferred the Josh idea. Take the scum of the group to the finals or use him as a shield to boot the others then get rid of him before the final 2. His only plan was to be obnoxious and hope that it would work. He never sat alone and plotted. In the end, Will had a moment of luck that got him the money.

He got lucky when Nicole slipped her hand off that key. If Nic would have won that hoh she would have put up Monica and Will. Hardy would have evicted Monica. Nicole then won the final hoh and she would have picked Hardy to go with her to the end. Will had luck on his side that night on the bed.

In the end last year I defended a Nicole victory for the grand prize over Will but every one else used Nicoles strategy of greed as the reason to not give her the money. She literally controled that house and the game but no one saw it that way. Fate forced her to take Will to the finals. She never had that intention of doing it. The reason I'm going off on a nic will tanget is because the same thing is going to happen to Danielle. In the end the sore losers will slam her game even though she played it hard. Tonya is going to rake her over the coals for what she has said about her not being a fit mother. The rest will feel like they were lied and used by her. Just like Nicoles backlash. She went too far today.

C1mag

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok Wendo if she can pull off making them refer to her bio on the website and tell them to look at the DR entries them Maybe they would fall for it. This group? Not a chance in hell!! :) But it could happen. Remember, Will told them to their faces right up front.

Wendo

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, Zeyna, please don't interpret my post as bad. If you did, it wasn't intended, Ok? :)

I was just debating back with ya! LOL!

Hey, I'll be the first to admit, Dani has a strong, if not abrasive, personality that's bound to rub many the wrong way. Though, I guess at this point, the only people she needs to be worried about rubbing the wrong way are those people in the house. Heh.

(ps. Roddy's with Chi in the hammock. He said to her, play our relationship low key, let's not decide where we are until after this is done. Sounds like the Heisman to me. LOL!)

C1mag

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know why he is saying play the relationship thing low key? Cause he knows Gerry is all about breaking up relationships. If he thinks Roddy and Chi aren't an item then Roddy assumes he could talk to Gerry about the thought of vetoing one of them off.

Damn it why the hell did Gerry get this thing?

What555456

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"What555, what do you mean by saying that she's playing the game week by week?"

Because, Zenya, she alters her moves each week, never burning bridges. Of course, she has her eye on the goal. But she moves and shifts as the flow goes.

Roddy made the mistake of thinking he had set up an alliance of many people early and that it could last the entire game. Tonya and Lori thought they had the girl power thing going and thought that would last the entire game. Amy thought if she was cute and funny, they would keep her in. Josh thought everything was set with Roddy who he saw as the power and he did not have to do anything more. Chiara figured that getting Josh out would cement her place for the rest of the game.

Dani, however, keeps moving forward by changing directions as she needs to each week -- but never turning away from the goal. She has always been with the 'winners" each week, because she takes the temperature of the house and goes with it. She does not fight it.

No matter who goes this week -- Chiara, Roddy or someone else -- Dani will be with the group that votes them out. She will then regroup based on who the new HOH is and start again setting next week's strategy.

Gouraphik

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Doesn't Gerry play week-by-week, too? He admits as much when he talks about "coalitions, not alliances".

If so, he should remove Roddy, claim that it was done in order to secure Chiara's eviction, and let either Chiara or the replacement nom get evicted. Good for Gerry, baaaaaadd for D/L/J.

What555456

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 05:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BTW, everyone, if you haven't figured it out, I am VERY impressed with the way Dani plays this game. One of the things that impresses me is that she seems to keep everything in perspective.

I think the best thing that happened to her was her early outburst and fight about Gerry's handwashing thing. I think she recognized that she could blow and if she did, it could destroy her chances of winning. So, now she stays serious, focused, and not overly sensitive. And she has enough perspective on this to add some levity to the house at times.

Wendo

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, well, it all depends on who she's up with in the finals. This is an entirely different group of people. It's rather hard to predict really. I look at it this way, if she makes it to the end and loses, so be it. But she still made it to the end, and that's something to be proud of.

Lastly, I still think her convo today with Mar will end up in the pit of many convos these people have had, and have yet to have. So many things yet to come and happen. We may have some big blow up with Mar and someone else, another Gerry incident, etc., etc. We still have so many weeks to go before we're pretty sure that the money card has hurt Dan.

I do think, though, that she has been honest with the people in the house about how important the money is to her. That it is her only focus, how it's for her family. Perhaps they would see that she stuck to her goal, her family.

We'll certainly see, right? LOL!

I certainly enjoy chatting it up with you (and everyone else as well), it's wonderfully challenging.

Wendo

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Roddy is being rather cruel here to Chiara. She's not a fav of mine at all, but sheesh, way to hit a girl while she's down.

C1mag

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gour thats what I would do if I were Gerry. Some of us try so hard to play Danielles game of getting rid of Roddy for her convenience but there are others playing the game and one of them is Gerry and he has a right to think about where he stands each week. If Roddy comes up with a good deal, and he definitely will, then Gerry should consider it. He's got nothing to lose at this point. He's a target either way. With Roddy still in the house, Gerry knows Roddy would be the target. Gerry knows that if R gets hoh Gerry would be safe another week based on a solid deal from Roddy. The only preassure on Gerry would be not to get hoh because he would be forced not to nominate Roddy. Gerrys other option is too keep Rod up there, figures Roddy MIGHT go and then next week they target Chiara. From there on out Gerry is the target to go. With Roddy still in play he would have a chance in the game. Based on these scenarios if I were Gerry I'd take Roddy off the block. If I were Dani I of coarse would work Gerry to keep Roddy up there playing the idea that it is too much preasssure for Amy to nominate someone new. Besides Chiara is the one going so no big deal.

Wendo

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, I wish I could find or recall the conversation Amy had with Gerry before nominations. Did she also include PoV in her deal with him or not? Anyone know.

Ditto about Gerry's strategy. If I were him, a deal with Roddy is a sure bet, rather than maybe's. For his own self interests, Roddy staying would serve his goals.

Zeyna

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, nooo I didn't take your post that way at all!! I thought you missed what I posted above :)

What555, yeah I see what you're saying. The only differing opinion I'd have is that Will played a very different game, simply becuase he had no alliances with anyone. In fact, he was not liked at all, but charmed everyone into thinking that he'd be the best to take to the finals.

Gouraphik

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You summed it up, C1mag. If Gerry wants to be a little more sneaky, he should press Danielle for some real collateral when she comes calling. Something more tangible than a mere "on my kid's life" vow.

Roddy would protect Gerry just by being in the house. What can Danielle offer that's tangible? What does she have that's as real and useful as Roddy's potential as a target? Unless she can come up with something good, she may fail to sway Gerry when the time comes.

C1mag

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa and Dani are in there confirming that they would boot Roddy this week and she ( Dani ) will go to Amy and explain why. Marcellus has said to Dani do what you want to do so she is cool with him. Now my question is this.... They act like Roddy is staying on the block! Do they know this already?

What555456

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Agreed, Zeyna, but I am not so sure Will's strategy was all that different. Just different circumstances.

True enough, he had no alliances, so he worked with that. Each week he was nominated and each week he played to just stay one more week. He had to do it by himself because he screwed up at the beginning. But once he got the Shannon thing out of his way, he never threatened anyone again. He simply pursuaded them each week like Dani is doing. No threats. No confrontations. He worked the house each week by pursuading enough voters that he was the easiest one to beat at the end, while the one who was up was a true threat.

Note too that he always showed himself as being #2 to the others, not as the winner. It is the same thing Dani is doing -- saying that if she does not win, she would feel good being each one's second.