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Pamy

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 09:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just wanted to tell you that tonite I saw why Josh is your friend/boyfriend. I started one of the 'Dislike Josh' threads and Furry bravely came in and defended her friend, Josh. Many of us could not believe what she was saying, we could not imagine Josh was any of the things she said he was. On tonites show when Josh was saying he didn't have many friends so he cherished the ones he had, I knew he was sincere. Furry/Merrit..please show Josh some of your posts where you stuck up for him and said what a great person he is. I think that would mean a lot to him.

Twiggyish

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, I saw it, too. Pamy, watch for the posters to come out and bash him, though.

Woofy

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh may be a wonderful human being ... however he presented himself terribly during most of the game and deserves to be evicted.

Furry

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woofy...Your opinion.

Wendo

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, we did see some ok qualities in Josh tonight. I guess we'll just skip over the Chiara is a scumbag b*tch comment though.

Woofy

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Furry, you are correct, it IS my opinion. Perhaps after tomorrow evening it will the opinion of a great many more people.

By the way, his reference to "my Jew ass" and calling someone "Nazi" are enough reasons for his eviction.

Whit4you

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I'm not jumping on the bandwagon - I started a favorable Josh thread like a week ago (dont know where it ran off too though)

I will say this though I do think Josh has a good heart and is a decent person.... he's got some really strange quirks and stuff but I think he's got a heart and stuff....:)

Spunky

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, okay, but then why couldn't be honest all along!! The guy did some naughty things and then the crocodile's tears...pleeease...

The obsession with Roddy may mask a deeper problem. The guy needs help but he's looking in all the wrong directions. Maybe Merritt could help but forget Roddy.

Pamy

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Furry!!! I am so glad you saw this, I hadn't seen you in here for awhile and didn't know if you were still around. You are lucky to have a friend that truly does seem to treasure you. Please tell Merrit also, thanks!!
Mods...you can close this as I really just wanted Furry and Merrit to know and I am afraid if this stays open it might not end up so nice

Wendo

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Btw Furry. Meant to add on to my post.

(Ok first this. Seriously, Josh has never been a fav of mine, but my opinion of him is based on how he's been a player in the game, it's nothing personal. K? I'm sure he's a great dude in real life.)

Anyway, what I wanted to add...

I hope you and Josh's friends will inform him that Roddy is not his "buddy". He "ain't all that." This is my opinion, but I truly believe that Roddy did not have Josh's back as he has said. As a hardcore live feed watcher (have them up all day), I've seen the comments by Roddy about Josh. He is not a saint and doesn't deserve Josh's adulation, nor his jury vote without careful consideration.

Yes, it's his vote, I just hope he gets ALL the 411 on his "friend". B/c, imo, Josh was played like a fiddle by Roddy.

Jayalltheway

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that Josh went in there to play the game, and made some wrong moves that backfired and left him isolated from the group. I think he was looking at his friendship with Roddy and Chiara as something outside of the game and they were/are both using him. Honestly I don't think Josh lies more than a lot of the houseguests, maybe he just doesn't do it as well. Though he was never my favourite, I do think he has good qualities and hope he isn't too hurt once he gets out of the house and checks the boards. Seeing Josh on BB, it's sometimes hard to remember that he is a real person and not a tv character.

Spunky, I don't think he has an obsession with Roddy. The two have spent a lot of time together, friendships progress a lot faster in a situation where you're always together, like in the BB house, than in the real world. I think the fact that Roddy was the only person he really bonded with and the fact that Roddy was the only person providing him with any emotional support (and let's face it we all need friends and/or family to support us) makes Roddy's betrayal and the method of his impending eviction that much harder to deal with. The only person in the house more isolated than Josh is Gerry.

I think Josh is the type of person who doesn't click with everyone so it must be really hard to feel alone in a house full of people and I feel bad for both Josh and Gerry. I don't know if I could spend over a month living like that.

Josh does have his fauts, I'm not denying it, but this isn't the thread for that, and I hope he gets some genuine love from Merrit and his friends when he gets out of the house. I'm sure it will be a nice change.

Furry

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I cannot speak for the other HGs, because I do not know them personally. However, Josh has opened himself up on a very personal level. He has shown the HGs, the cameras, and the entire viewing audience his fears and true emotions. Allowing yourself to be that vulerable can be difficult, at times, amongst friends, not to mention complete strangers.

Many people watching this show believe that they can form an accurate opinion about a person's character based on what the producers allow them to see. I know that Josh will walk out of this house and be bombarded with people's unsubstantiated comments about his personality, his values, and his character. Whether positive, negative or neutral, unless we know these HGs personally, we cannot judge who these people really are when not on stage.

I know...before anyone jumps on me about how these comments are based on the character the HGs present in the game... I just want to make the point that we keep these opinions about the game here, and don't carry them out of the house once BB3 has ended.

Muse

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Agreed, Wendo. I don't think Roddy is the friend Josh thinks he is. Roddy supported Chiara completely in getting Josh nominated. He was even talking about it and helping provide "suggestions" for what Eric (and others) should do to try to get Josh nominated when Gerry was HOH. I think Roddy wanted Josh out...he just didn't want to *directly* break his word (for fear of looking bad to Josh and the other HGs in the final vote). Let someone else do the dirty work.

I don't think Roddy truly dislikes Josh (in fact, I think he's sort of touched by Josh's hero worship and devotion), but I don't know if I see a lasting friendship coming out of this. Roddy's been acting since day one, and I think Josh has fallen for it.

Whit4you

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Furry - don't know you but just understand that's how the net audience is... we certainly have our faults and one of them is our tendency to judge these people based on their actions and reactions in this house - that's the way it's been since day one. Will - who became a net favorite and a phenomenon almost around here - was disliked alot more then Josh ever could be around here... so that tells something about our quick-to-judge mindset and so on ya know?

I disliked the Josh I saw in that house for the first few weeks... I've warmed alot to him the past few... he's definately got some strange quirks...lol.... but honestly with at least 90% of the people here all you have to do is use the "Will" line...

"And you've never been wrong in your judgement about someone have you... you were a Will fan from day one?"

LOL - at least 80% of BB II viewers would um.. have to give you one point on that line <grin> :)

I so disliked Josh the first week or so that I was like doing all I could to convince myself this wasn't gonna be another "Will" thing where I ended up luvin him at the end.... because of his Nazi comments and stuff I'd never luv him...regardless of his reasoning and excuses for it ... but I've realized alot the past few weeks..the guy does have a heart and a soft side and I think he's a decent guy with some strange/bad qualities that as he grows older he can work on... trust me none of us are perfect and he's definately included in that lol :)

Anyhow Furry just remember that 80..or 90% of the peeps here hated Will the first few weeks..and 80 or 80% of us were totally for him and adoring him in the end...........sooooooooooOO :)

Whit

Kaili

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't remember who said it tonight- one of the girls- she said he seems sad and it was in his eyes. I thought he looked sad too, but it seemed he was sad about how he was being treated. I don't see Josh as a bad guy at all. I think he seems like he would be a really nice, sincere guy. Maybe I can understand that about not having a lot of friends but caring deeply about the ones he does have. It's kind of how I am and it's a hard way to be when the people you consider to be your friends don't put as much into the friendship as you do.

I want Josh to stay on the show, but at the same time I think it might be good for him to get out. Maybe there will be another twist and he can have a break then come back. If he's being hurt in there, he shouldn't have to deal with that. Maybe he doesn't have the vicious personality that the rest seem to have. It's too bad he couldn't have gotten along better with Gerry because I think Gerry would probably have been better to him than the rest have been.

Edited to add that in my opinion anyone who cares for animals the way that Josh appears too is a good person in my book. Watching him caring for the lizards said it all, and I'm sure he is even better with his cat.

Furry, if you and Merrit get to see him right away after the show (assuming he leaves...), make sure he knows that he does have people that really liked him despite the editing and what everyone else has been saying. I hope he is able to laugh it all off!

Furry

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit- well said, and totally understood. I just get a little defensive of our Joshy sometimes. You understand! LOL!

Lizardsamongus

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have liked Josh ever since he did not vote for Lori's eviction. I think Josh is intelligent and insightful and knows much more of what is going on in the house than Roddy does. Josh played the game too hard but there were times when he was honest when it counted like in his assessment of Chia.

Kaili

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Lizards- his vote for Lori turned my opinion around completely. He showed a lot of integrity in that- more than I was expecting after that first week. Josh has it in him- I think that despite Marcellas popularity overall, Josh is probably a much better guy than he is and a lot less judgemental.

Kaili

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, and Furry...I think you also show a lot of restraint in limiting your posts to the pre-Josh threads. I'm sure you probably read the rest, but I think it is smart of you to limit your posts- it would probably otherwise lead to a lot of confrontation.

Jason's brother does well with this also- keeping to himself for the most part.

Caliogirl

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nice thread Pamy.

I have to admit I'm not the biggest Josh fan but I did see the 'human' side to him tonight.

I don't think Josh deserves all the ire of the boards that he gets. He's probably a good friend outside of the house and that really came through.

Furry it's obvious that he's special to you with how you defend him (with restraint I might add). Good that you stick up for your "furry friend"

Cinder

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
AWWW!!! He is talking about missing Merritt and his cat. He said he thought he could pull off being a prick- but he can't. however he would do it all the same again.

Suitsmefine

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mewwit, Furry, And Josh, {hopefully not this week} I can totally see why he is your friend and signifigent other, He is sweet when he wants to be , helpful when he wants to be, and very loveable when he wants to be ......just how many of you posters are married? that is life in the fast lane of marriage......

Goddess146

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Anything is possible. Josh maybe a wonderful guy outside the house and with his true friends. Osama Bin Laden may be a wonderful guy with his family and close friends. The only thing I can base my judgements on is that which I have seen.

What I have seen of Josh on the live feeds over the last few weeks truely disgust me. I truely hope the real Josh is not the live feeds Josh. I would not wish such a persona on any human being.

Maris

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Osama Bin Laden has close friends?????????ROFLMAO. Are we talking camels?

Ryanc2002

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Some people have some really idiotic reasons for wanting him evicted, JMHFUO