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Goddess146

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If there is no "unfair" here, why are producers trying to hide anything about the subject with the FOTH?

Curlyq

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess146, maybe it's kind of like when Roddy made that snide remark about Shapiro being a snob and they went to FOTH. They don't want any of them seen biting the hand that feeds them.

Zeyna

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know anything about the legal possibilites here, but as for the fairness, here is my opinion:

The competition for the returning houseguest was unfair. The first two questions were valid, however, letting the house decide who enters was not. BB KNEW exactly which HG the house would let back in - through the DR entries, and just by watching the game. There was NEVER any possibility that Eric would return and BB knew that. Why not break the tie by a third question, rather than the vote??

HOH endurance comp was probably fair, but Amy should not have been told ANYTHING by BB. Any suggestion about the need to win HOH is not proper (even though it would be very obvious to Amy that they may want her out first).

The fact that Amy was leaked ANY information is very unfair. She may know more than she's admitting to the HGs.

The bottom line is that Amy was the most popular evicted HG, and I'm fairly certain that she was BB's choice for the return. I'm happy she's back, but that still doesn't make it fair.

Crazydog

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I completely agree Zeyna. The competition should have given each of them an equal chance to return based on their own actions. There is a reason why each of these people was evicted and if someone was unpopular or dangerous before then they had less of a chance of going back in. Amy should not have been told anything at all. I think one of these nights they should pour a bottle of wine into her and just wait for her to spill everything.

Observerx

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The whole idea of a "Big Brother" is being watched without any privacy and being manipulated as "Big Brother" sees fit. Big Brother does not have to be fair. If Big Brother can be manipulated by the "hamsters" by how they judge Big Brother is in being fair, then it isn't much of a Big Brother is it? Big Brother is manipulating ALL of US too. How can you judge a world with a Big Brother in it, living in a world that doesn't actually have Big Brother and allows you to sue and question Authority (so far)? The whole (Orwellian) idea of a Big Brother is NOT a good thing. Big Brother is all powerful and the will of the people is not a consideration... Get it?

Sia

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You may call me disgusting or unhygienic if you like, but if I'd been in the HoH bathtub competition, I'd have announced that I intended to pee in the tub (whether or not I needed to go) and then just let loose--and I would have repeatedly announced this. How in the world would any of the hamsters know if/whether I had with all that muck floating around? It's not like they were required to stick their faces under the surface every ten minutes or so. Now, THAT would have added an interesting element to the competition!

If my threatening to pee in the tub didn't make the hamsters scamper out, if I'd been Amy, I'd have said that I had picked up a touch of Montezuma's revenge whilst in Mexico and that I might be doing just a little more than just peeing in the tub. Oh, my heck, it's fun to play with people's minds. I have to agree with the post-ers who have commented that germaphobe Marcellas handled the bathtub full of much and goo pretty well for someone so concerned about contamination. What a sissy-act when he got out, though. Disgraceful. Pardon, I meant, "scandalous!"

Mschumacher

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mr Shapiro should make Orwell's 1984 which is what BB is supposedly based on required reading for application to BB, or at least require HGs to read this book while in the house.

Apparently none of the HGs have a clue as to what BB is even based on. They continually whine about how things are not "fair." If HGs had read Orwell's book they wouldn't be saying this as they would know that fairness becomes null and void in this BB3 competition.

I will celebrate the moment Roddy is evicted from this house. He could be HOH at this very moment had he not bailed out of the tub in the first minute because, despite the "image" he's portrayed up until now, he wasn't quite macho enough to deal with the squid.

Wargod

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Sia!

Zeyna

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Observerx, let me ask you, would you think the same way if BB was to reveal an alliance to an unknowing HG? My point is, where is the line drawn? At which point should BB not interfear? BB manipulation is good, but there has to be a certain amount of equality in the odds of winning this thing (with regards to the rules of the game).

Kennyb

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All Roddy had to do was keep his ass in the tub--but no--he was FIRST out---so he needs to shut up.

Hillbilly

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
...Sia...if yu's ever comes to visit me....i'd be mighty appreciative ifn you'd stay away from our fishin hole....:)

Sia

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How about if for next season's "BigBrother" Arnold Shapiro and co. simply make the Viewers' Choice question as follows: "Which of the houseguests would you like the BB staff to intensively coach in the DiaryRoom this week? Call now; the cost is 99 cents per vote."

Battlestar

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
AMY is nominating someone based on her experiences when she was IN the house...not because of nay information she received out of the house. Chiara knows this....but is using the unfairness card

Why didn't Chiara pull Roddy aside and say--'Don't let her win or I am toast'

Keiffer

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know the more we get this FOTH whenever a HG talks about the rules, or the process, or things Amy learned or was told while out of the house it does make a person wonder.

I would say Roddy would be much more right to be upset with BB because Amy was able to hear from her mother that she liked Danny. Roddy came very close to getting Amy to put Chaira and Danny up last night, but it fell through. I wonder if he knows this info about Amy's phone call with mom.

Sia

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Come on, Hillbilly, haven't you ever peed in the pool? In the shower? Somewhere you're not supposed to? BB is sending a crew of hidden-camera-installers to your house to keep an eye on you! Your fishin' hole is safe, HBill; I'm not gettin' in with the fish. Fish stink.

The premise of the show is supposed to be that the participants are trapped in a tightly-controlled environment in which they don't have many choices. I think they're given way too much freedom and latitude. BB should mess with them a whole lot more! Enough playing cards and chess. If you want to keep the hamsters paranoid, take away the games and start randomly doing things to them, like spraying water on them unexpectedly, dyeing/cutting their hair in their sleep, altering their clothing or removing their personal property from their rooms (framing other houseguests for the "crimes"), etc. Really mix it up! It would be sheer pandemonium! Bring it awwwwwnnnn!

Observerx

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess that is the question... Where do you draw the line? This is a game and games usually have rules that make certain things fair and other things not. But in the concept of Big Brother (as Orwell portrays it), the only consideration is what Big Brother wants. If Big Brother wants to see a particular person win at the end, they must manipulate things to this end.

Is that fair? Not in a game in the "real world"... but in a world with a Big Brother fairness has no validity because fairness implies TWO sides. With a Big Brother there is ony ONE side -- Big Brothers'. Is is fair? NO. Does it make me angry? YES. We DON'T want to live in a world with a Big Brother watching our every move and manipulating us to it's will. (Though we are pretty much moving that way).

These poeple agreed to enter a world where there is a Big Brother so I'm sure their contracts state that they agree to give up all rights to privacy, control or retaliation (within reason) as a stipulation to entering the game. Otherwise it waters down the whole premise.

Off2cthwizrd

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I am not understanding this whole issue of unfairness and Big Brother's manipulation of the houseguests. In my mind, the public did the same thing with the banners the past two years...which a lot of people thought was great. (Personally, I did, too!) So it's OK for US to manipulate, but it's not OK for the people running the show itself to manipulate? I have to respectfully disagree.

And I really don't understand Roddy's complaint. I think he is embarrassed about getting out of the tub so quickly and afraid that he came out looking like a "wuss" on TV; and is NOW trying to find a way to change that perception with all his whining.

...just my thoughts on the subject...

Duchess

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said Observex! LOL Sia!

Kennyb

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 02:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Great point Off2cthwizrd !!!!!!

Observerx

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 03:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We DON'T want to live in a world with a Big Brother watching our every move and manipulating us to it's will. (Though we are pretty much moving that way)...

Let me re-state that. We are already there it's just not an "obvious" thing yet... It's all a matter of the degree to which we are there.

Draheid

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 03:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Off2cthwizrd: I agree. Roddy's mistake was to ASSUME that he could not last as long as anyone else in the tub and then ASSUME someone else could last longer than Amy. 'nuf said!

JMO - FWIW

Goddess146

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We, the viewing audience, have been made to believe that BB is a contest where the contestants are competing for $500,000. It does not matter what the HGs contract says. The 1984 aspect of BB does not matter. We have been told that this is a contest.

There is no difference between the producers of BB feeding game information to the HGs and the producers of the infamous $64,000 Question show feeding the contestants answers to the questions. Both are fraudulent to the viewing public.

The producers are compounding their live feed advertising fraud with game show fraud. If the HGs do not sue, the Federal and State consumer protection agencies will.

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 03:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok Goddess, I will sign on for a class action suit right after the show is over and I get to see who wins.

Woofy

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that everybody is forgetting that the Shapiro and CBS have the right to make whatever changes, decisions they want regarding the game. The houseguests signed all rights away when they signed their contracts.

Roddy can complain all he wants ... the bottomline is if Big Brother wants to do a mass eviction of everybody over the age of 25 on the live show, they can .. they don't have to play by the rules ... the basic rule is "There are no rules." Expect the unexpected.

Johnny Cochrane would be I'm sure available, however, for a class action suit.

Ryanc2002

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
*Ryan gets scared and crawls in hole*