Is Roddy the "Will" of BB3?
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Patman

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the parallels are striking in how Roddy has used his Jedi mind tricks to not only stay in the house, but has started turning the tide on Danielle via Amy (it's easier to turn a mole like Amy than use Eric in this situation - and by voting for Eric, Roddy solidified Eric's vote at the end).

Will was on the chopping block for the whole summer of 2001, and he was smart enough to let the other nominee implode week after week.

Roddy's a more demonstrative manipulator than Will (who was no confrontational at all), and will put up his dukes, but when he does so, he drag more houseguests into the fray (like when he drew out Marcellas in the Roddy-Josh tiff in the backyard last week).

Wcv63

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No.

Jasons_First

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope not but it's looking that way.

Curlyq

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just keep wondering if last year's HGs would've been so easily charmed by Roddy. They did allow Will to play puppetmaster initially (like with that 24-hour fast), but they got over it quickly. I wonder how Nicole would've reacted to his amateur shrink routine.

Bkmac

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember when people were posting definitions of narcasistic personality disorder, sociopath, psychopath, etc. last yr in regards to Will. In fact a big stink was raised about his vivid approval of the movie "American Psycho" and there were comparisons made on the boards between him and the main character.

What a differance a year makes eh! Nowadays he is called a great player, a mastermind, a brilliant strategist. I don't hear "American psycho" tossed around much anymore.

I wonder how the armchair psychologists will feel this time next year about Roddy. I wonder if he will just be a brilliant strategist by then instead of a sociopath?

In answer to your question I think there are differances. I think Roddy is as much a strategist as Will, and as willing to manipulate things to ensure his own safety and success. However, I think Roddy is genuinely a more interesting and likeable person than Will in the real world. While current board consensus is that Roddy is satan incarnate I suspect in the real world he is someone most of us would find apealing to converse with, that unlike Will, discussion would be more than just about him.

Spree17

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
will was more likable for one reason. he was funny. He would make fun of the rest in his dr's and not kiss up to them like roddy does. The funniest moments on bb2 were will ragging on the others in dr.

Niceguy

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What are you talking about? Will was Captain Kiss-Up. Even to Kent and Bunky on occasion.

Curlyq

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's an interesting thought, Bkmac, but I have to say that personally I'd rather spend time with Will than Roddy in real life. Mind you I'd rather spend time with an angry wasp than with either one, but if I had to choose the lesser of two evils I'd choose the guy that can have an intelligent conversation or just have fun.

I remember Will used to spout off like Roddy about science and such until he quickly realized that this would alienate him from the others. He then did a brief stint as puppetmaster before losing his allies. At this point he became "fun guy". He told funny stories and always managed to find ways to amuse himself when the others were complaining about the boredom.

Will was adaptable. He had a child-like quality that kept him alive in the game. Roddy is more of the father figure handing out his approval to those who display his idea of good behavior.

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I see similarities only as far as how the other House Guests relate to them. They all talk/talked among themselves about how dangerous Roddy and Will is/was. They each had a different approach to the game but they have been able to mind f**ck these people into being intimidated by their intellect and knowledge of trivia.

Seamonkey

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Roddy is the "Roddy of BB3".

Totally different style anyway.

Woodpecke®

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Who is Roddy like? I thought and thought about this, and he may be the illegitimate son of Bill Clinton. Ha!

Spunky

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No way!!!! Will at least admitted he was having fun with all the lying. His own admissions made us tolerate him.

Roddy is trying hard to hide his lying and wants you to believe he's honesty incarnated.

No need to say further...

Dfwteddy

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Roddy is this year's Will for several reasons:

(1) Will went into the DR, looked into the camera and said, "I'm going out there to lie to this people." And he did that, but primarily about the way he was going to vote. Roddy looks into the camera and proudly proclaims that he has never lied to anyone about anything.

(2) Will used his quirky charms to ingratiate himself with others in a low-key, non-threatening manner. Will didn't use his charms to prey on the emotional weaknesses of others, or to so brazenly use them to do his biding.

(3) Will may have been the smartest person in the BB2 house, but he never paraded himself around as the smart one.

(4) After sitting around, tanning, working out and generally relaxing for a month, Will never whined about another HG winning an HoH competition because they were more well rested. In fact, perhaps because he never really tried to win an HoH competition, I don't recall now Will ever really whining about that much.

(5) Acting or not, Will seemed to generally like the others in the house and enjoyed being around them. Other than Eric and possibly Jason, does anyone truly believe Roddy likes anyone in that house and will be in contact with them a year from now?

(6) Will never really seemd to have a strategy, he just wanted to have a good time hanging out. That made him in some ways a non-threat, and was probably the best strategy against the very obvious Hardy-Nicole alliance.

Don't get me wrong, I was a reluctant Will fan only at the end. I am now a reluctant Roddy fan -- not because I like him (I don't), but one has to admire the way he has played the game in the last two days.

Dfwteddy

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Or am I suffering from short-term memory?

Woodpecke®

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There are very few comparisons to Will and Roddy. Roddy is far more topical than Will, and Will had a mischievous side that even in his most annoying moments was somehow endearing. Will also benefitted from a less than brilliant supporting cast that was naive enough to believe he could be eliminated at any time. Roddy is gone soon because he is so obviously playing all of them.

Goddess146

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Is Roddy "Will?"

Absolutely not. That assertion is offensive. Will and Roddy don't even belong to the same species. Roddy hates humans. Will is a healer of humans.

Gina8642

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember Will making jokes about those who did whine. Saying how easy it was to just lay back for a few months. He did not get stressed.

I also don't think Roddy is like Will much, except that they are both very good players.

Webkitty

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Will was nothing like Roddy. Apples and oranges.

Will had a fun side while Roddy is like watching some sort of evil paint dry all over his intended victim. Boring and horrifing at the same time.

Jaysgal

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No, he is not. Will was not a smooth talker. You knew when he lied and he admitted to having intent to lie. People knew when Will was lying, because he admitted that he would lie. However, people still believed him.

Roddy on the contrary has not admitted to his dirts. Roddy is a smooth talker. He uses smooth talking to convince people.

What makes Roddy and Will identical are the so-called charisma they both possess. But Will's type of charisma was the smiling, charming, cutie type. Roddy's own is the macho, big brother, daddy type. Will, unlike Roddy, was not intimidating. It was that cutie aspect of Will that made Nicole attracted to him. Will was also nice to women (i.e., treating them like ladies), even though they were mostly acts. So, most women smiled at the end of his lies, even when they knew that he was lying. Contrast that with Roddy's ruthless treatment of women.

Bkmac

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh how short your memories are! This is hilarious!!!! Will was HATED, absolutely loathed and despised, until the last few weeks. People thought he was seriel killer material, satan on earth, and the most vile human being ever. Near the end suddenly the "Don't hate me but I'm starting to find Will amusing" posts began and by the end it was "Wow that Will sure is smart and what a hoot!"

Woodpecke®

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We haven't forgotten. Will was a complete liar and utterly deceitful. He admitted it. He almost blew the money with his speech on the last night. He was completely lucky on top of it all. Roddy lacks the humor Will had. Case closed.

Spree17

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
nice guy I said that will didnt kiss up to them in dr's like roddy. in dr's will would rip on all of them. Doent you remember how many funny things he said about nicole hardy and the balck lady whose name slips my mind in the dr's. he would kiss up in person but tear them to shreads in dr tapings.

Dfwteddy

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
spree: it was monica

Chiparock

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spree, Will didn't always kiss up in person. Remember the foam doll he made of Nicole, complete with saggy boobs? Nicole went berserk, much to the amusement of the remaining houseguests, the internet folks, and the tv audience. Roddy would never dream of risking an alliance/friendship/vote with such a stunt.

I thought Will really shot himself in the foot with his DR entry when he called Krista and Monica the two dumbest people he ever met. When Monica called him on it at the end, he slithered out by saying that he said it before he really got to know her. [Yeah, right.] She seemed to accept that explanation, since he looked so humble.

Will was darn lucky to be up against someone as uniformly disliked as Nicole. After his final speech, one would think the voting houseguests would choose to tar and feather him rather than give him top prize.

Roddy would never take the risks that Will took. He seems to plot his every word, act, gesture, and glance. I would love to see a "Top Dog" contest between the two. Unfortunately, I think Roddy would win.

Whit4you

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Glad this thread in the archives is still 'open' - didn't even get a chance to see it before it went to the archives lol.


Trust me there is no comparison to Rod and Will.

Rod is way smarter and more manipulative and controlling then Will... but Will has a personality.. has true charisma - has a sense of humor - and pulls off being an arrogant self-centered person like Rod could only dream of. :)

Rod and Will have some of the same traits but Will has a peronality... Rod..has manipulation.