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Jasons_First

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tonya of using racial slurs. Is he lying? I do not recall Tonya EVER saying anything like that. Can someone please tell me if I missed it? It's on the live feed post (convo between he and Lisa)

__Tera

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 06:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember him talking to someone after Tonya left. He said she was talking about a friend or a relative who got pregnant by a black guy. The way he described it was like Tonya and her friends or family were shocked and appalled.

I never heard anything directly from Tonya, just what he relayed.

Seamonkey

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 06:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh gosh, I think she did, but it would have been so far back, I don't know where to begin looking for it. She said some really hateful things about several people though.

Cameltoes

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle and Marcellas were very upset about a comment she made while telling a story. They said it showed her true colors because of the words she chose. But since the story was FOTH'd, I don't know what exactly was said.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A lot of what she said was FOTHed. Also she revealed a lot to the others before the feeds were activated.

Marc is known for misinterpreting events. Look how he turned the whole Gerry POV speech around in his head.

Kuchi

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 06:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont remember the conversation but she used the word "blackface" and that is what upset marc and dani

Wcv63

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 06:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kuchi I thought that was Josh. I'm sooooo confuuuuusssed!

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh used Blackface. he denied it and there were no witnesses to it.

Csnog

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And now Marcie and Danie are using the race card.

Only when it suits them and their needs.

Nothing has been said about the color of ones skin since week one but everytime Marci and Danie want to vent they bring it out.

Shame on them.

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFLMAO, I got it. Still chuckling. Not that I wouldnt expect that to happen...............

Back to topic, I dont remember Tonya using racial slurs with Marc and as much as I love that dear boy, he tended to use racism as a weapon. I am still not so sure about the blackface remark by Josh. I remember when Marcellas said that it happened but as I recall no other HG saw him say it. We talked about it on the boards and nobody actually heard Josh say it. so to me, it is still out there.

Dani did take the remark after the fact and go after josh. Josh always denied that he said it.

Moderator

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 07:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Posts removed from this thread were all off topic.
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Sunlit

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In this game, all cards are valid. What about the "I'm a nice guy" card or the "My boyfriend's gone" card or the "BB is so unfair to me" card or the "my family needs money" card? There are lots of cards and all are fair, if they work! :)

Flyonthwall

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow all those cards and no one in the game is playing with a full deck!

Crazydog

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sunlit, but the race card is always a much more sensitive issue. I agree with Csnog, after the Gerry veto speech Danielle said that there were no race issues in the house. Now apparently it suits them to pull it out again. I'm wondering when Dani gets nominated if she will pull out the race card.

Tatyana

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFL Fly, so true so true. :))

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would disagree with Csnog that race has not been an issue since week one. Race has always been there. How many times have you heard Dani say She went "all ghetto" on someoneone. What about the conversation three nights ago about Tonya and how she is different than any black mother. No black woman would lose her kids. even if she was a crack addict she would not lose her kids, her babies would go to her mother and never the father.

I cannot count the amount of times that Dani compared her life and attitudes as a black woman to other women in the house and the life of the black woman/mother was superior. She would often say we dont do that......Dani accentuated the differences from day one. There is nothing wrong with that but at this stage of the game you can't hold it up your race as an example of unfairness when all along you have celebrated it as a way to show you are better. My two cents .

Ryanc2002

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see ghetto as a race word necessarily.

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryan as much as you like disagree with all my posts this is not the point to argue with me. I know what I am talking about. The expresion geting all Ghetto is an expression used very commonly amongst african american teenagers.

Ryanc2002

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 08:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris - Wasn't trying to offend, and I don't disagree with you for sport.

Tisha90029

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris of course you are right. And ghetto fabulous is a term Foxy Brown uses to describe herself just as Melvin Van Peebles did in Sweet Sweetback.

I think the larger point is that "race" doesn't matter only for those for whom race doesn't have to matter, and in America, those people tend to have white skin.

Csnog

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That is what I mean.

It's OK for Dani and Marcie to use it to their advantage.

Nobody else better say a word.

Garry has been hounded by Marcie ( but not to his face) since the veto was used.

Lilacs04

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Err, Maris, "ghetto" isn't used exclusively by African American teens. As a white girl from the Bronx with mainly white and Puerto Rican friends, we use the word "ghetto" to describe something that is less than what it should be. My best friend's beat up car was "the Ghettomobile". When a different friend made it into Yale, we referred to her as our "ghetto superstar". It's really a term that isn't necessarily racist.

Tisha90029

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow. I'm trying to see where anyone said anything about "exclusively" or "teens." I think the point is that it has a history, but like most words with histories, it has been appropriated, etc.

Crazydog

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lilacs, you are partially correct, the original meaning of the word "ghetto" was the areas in European cities that Jews lived in hundreds of years ago when Jews were being segregated. But "ghetto" is no doubt today used to describe the poor urban areas predominantly inhabited by blacks. You and your friends may use the term in that way but its use generally is race related.

Wcv63

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well as someone who once lived in a ghetto I feel as if I have every right to use it no matter what the color of my skin. Sorry but some words aren't "owned" by any particular race.