Maris | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:35 am     I was watching the feeds today while Amy and Marcellas were talking about operation revolving door. Amy revealed that John and other handlers told her about operation revolving door in advance and they also told her she HAD to win hoh. When she said she wanted to win HOH they told her you dont understand you have to win it and they explained why. They pretty much let Amy know they wanted her to win the HOH and revealed a strategy to her. Were they right? what motivated them? My thoughts on why they did it is that they felt a little guilty for precipitating the blow up between Chiara and Amy when they told Chiara in the DR room that Amy was hitting on her man. That is what led to Amys ultimate nomination in my opinion. I am also beginning to think that BB wants Amy and Marcellas as a final two. During her sequestration they didnt stop amy from finding out that she and Marcellas were favorites in the outside world. Thoughts? |
Wedge | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:39 am     Very, very interesting...I hadnt known they told her she had to get HoH...but it all makes sense now...and they did start all that BS with Amy is after your man to Chia...hmmm.... Things have been very coincidental in there lately...and why would they allow strangers to talk to her about the show if she couldnt talk to her folks about it...Good point Maris, let me know what ya find out! |
Draheid | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:39 am     Maris: It's possible, although I'm sure it's easier to think otherwise, that the handlers were merely speculating on the ORD. It's not like it's an inconceivable scenario. I mean, any reasonable person would expect that the HG's would resent someone having a second chance at the prize money and would plot to 'nip it in the bud' as quickly as possible. So, possibly, the handlers were merely 'speculating' on what might possibly be her welcome back into the house? JMO - FWIW And I hope at least part of that made sense! |
Cameltoes | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:43 am     I don't know if it was guilt or just because they didn't want this twist to blow up in their faces. Having the returning houseguest go in and out would have looked bad. They must have been thrilled when it came down to Amy and Eric. They had to know ORD was dead in the water then. |
Wilsonatmd | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:46 am     Despite the best efforts, leaks are going to happen....in the resort they were in, even though it's isolated, some information is going to get to them, and apparently some information was told to them, such as ratings and all. I think the BB people knew that whoever came back was in serious danger of being evicted next week due to the conversations the others had, unless they had given the returnee immunity, which they had already told the other HG's they wouldn't have. So they probably strongly suggested to Amy (and probably Eric as well) that they do whatever they had to do to win HOH, without actually telling them that they were gone if they didn't win. Suspect? A little, but it really doesn't effect the game any. They were just giving her advice on what to do. It's was completely up to her to stay in that tub for as long as she did to win. She could have bailed at any time, but she didn't and she was rewarded with HOH. |
Maris | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:48 am     Amy was prety clear in the live feeds that John told her about ORD. She didnt know who started the ORD until Marcellas told her it was Roddy's and Chiara's idea. |
Serena | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:49 am     there is no way in hell the 'handlers' should give Amy "advice on what to do." Talk about an unfair advantage. Amy should not have known anything before going back in to the house. I'm really disappointed to have read this-- it has dropped my regard for the show dramatically, from mid level to the depths. I know they prompt in the diary room, but if it's true that Amy was told she had to win HOH and why it was necessary, I'm completely disgusted with the people running this show. |
Robbien | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:53 am     Wait a minute. Who are these handler people anyway? I mean, they are not producers, they are just people doing a job. When they were talking to Amy about the competition, it's possible they were voicing their personal opinions. It's hard to keep your personal opinions to yourself. |
Mygetaway | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:53 am     Thanks Maris.. I think they did give Amy the info.. Afterall, Julie told Josh that he was almost safe until 2 days ago.. |
Maris | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:54 am     She said John told her and I am pretty sure that John is one of the DR people. Marcellas knows who John is. |
Nurdreams | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:55 am     I feel BB just gave Amy information that the entire house knew. EVERYONE in the house knew about the ORD so it was not sharing info that would give her any advantage over the others. |
Ellenkats | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:56 am     I think someone returning to the house could have been at an extreme disadvantage. All the other HGs knew about ORD -- Amy had every right to the same information other HGs had -- but ESPECIALLY since it specifically affected her. BB/handlers (whoever) did right to tell her. |
Eden | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:01 pm     From all Amy said last night, she was told quite a bit about the show: shown some tapes, ratings, etc. I have to agree with Cameltoes. If Amy got caught in a revolving door eviction process what was the point of their BIG tornado of a twist that was going to turn the house upside down? Since they didn't provide her with immunity upon returning they had to warn her to WIN HOH or else. |
Serena | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:03 pm     duh, the 'handlers' work for the show. It doesn't matter what your 'personal opinion' is---- if your job requires confidentiality or discretion on certain matters, you have to keep your mouth shut. e.g. insider trading. ORD has a specific meaning---- that whoever gets back in goes right back out. Amy didn't have the right to know about things the houseguests have planned or strategized BEFORE she went back in. The fun of the game would be to see how quickly someone like Marcellas could have brought her up to date before or during the HOH competition. The fact that she already knew she had to win HOH before she went in is directly manipulation of the game by the staff. "EVERYONE" in the house knew?" Amy wasn't IN the house when she was reportedly told. This doesn't piss me off because I dislike Amy---- I like her. I just don't like the people behind the scenes selectively giving the competitors information. |
Krossd | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:08 pm     I heard that conv. between Amy and Marc and while she did use the ORD in that conv. it doesn't mean she was told about it beforehand, not speciticially or literally. I think she found out there was a term for it AFTER she came in the house, and now uses it - too. Sure they would indicate to her how important it was for her to win HOH, or risk going almost immediately, as if that needed to be said... I think it needed to be STRONGLY in her mind though, and that is what they were emphasising. So I think that she was aware of the CONCEPT of ORD, and upon entering the house and finding out they had a term for it, she now uses it too. |
Maris | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:10 pm     Kross but when she said that John told her "You don't understand you HAVE to win HOH" she then said they explained it to her. As soon as Marcellas said I dont want to be a brown nose to the producers and said he agreed with them they went to FOTH. It was very clear to me that Amy was told in advance about ORD and they told her about it. |
Guinevere | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:38 pm     I guess I don't really care too much who told who what about what. I'm not so concerned as some people here seem to be with integrity and fairness on BB's part. (And I'll admit that being a MAJOR Amy fan, I'm in favor of anything that gives her a chance.) I did find it interesting that BB was so obvious in creating a competition that only required perserverance, not luck or skill. That combined with letting Amy know that she HAD to win equals to me a de facto choice to make Amy HOH (and of course it had been speculated that the returning HG would be made HOH). |
Maris | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:42 pm     I have no problem at all with what BB did. What was the point of bringing someone into the house if they were going to get nominated 24 hours later and evicted a week later. |
Bmh | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:43 pm     I agree Maris..they needed to intervene a little or the twist would have meant absolutely nothing... |
Nutsy | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:45 pm     I'll co-sign that Maris and Bmh.  |
Becca | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:49 pm     I still am against the twist. I don't think Amy deserves to be in there, and I will be mad if she wins or makes it into the final two. It's unfair to the people who have worked so hard on their stratgeys not to be evicted. Amy doesn't deserve two chances when the others only get one! |
Strkaholic | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:50 pm     OK..quick question to all those that are in favor of allowing BB to give the evicted HG information..what if it were you already in the game and you are then evicted because BB gave that person information? Would you then feel it's fair or unfair? I ask this because it's very easy for us not in the game to say it's fair. We are not the ones that have been playing the game with no help from BB and then have to have an already previously evicted HG come in with inside help from BB. I would say it's fair if all the HG's were being given inside help..i.e (Gerry, M really hates you and wants you out....or L..Dani is playing you to do her dirty work). What do you think? |
Pamy | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:51 pm     I also don't care what they did as long as Amy is back. She has such an innocent joy about her that I just smile everytime I see her. I love the friendship between her and Mar. At the beginning of the show last nite I laughed when Mar told Julie something like 'you better have Amy sitting there right next to you!'
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Nutsy | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:52 pm     I personally don't think it was a big deal to tell Amy it was in her best interest to win HoH. I don't see that as giving anything major away - who knows, she may just have figured on that herself. |
Maris | Friday, August 16, 2002 - 12:56 pm     If I was Amy I would say it was unfair to begin with that the Diary room told Chiara I was hitting on her man which resulted in my nomination and ultimate eviction. Its a game and BB makes the rules. The game is what BB makes of it. The HGs all undertstand this. They are toyed with and they know it. Obviously with the ratings BB has made some better decisions this year and one of them has been the twists and turns. Getting rid of the banners is another thing that BB did which was a great idea. Big brother wanted to make sure that none of the HGs could strategize based on previous years games. |