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Oregonfire

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought it was a Dutch word first used in the US in NYC. But I was wrong! <shrug>

Main Entry: 1ghet·to
Pronunciation: 'ge-(")tO
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural ghettos also ghettoes
Etymology: Italian, from Venetian dialect ghèto island where Jews were forced to live, literally, foundry (located on the island), from ghetàr to cast, from Latin jactare to throw -- more at JET
Date: 1611
1 : a quarter of a city in which Jews were formerly required to live
2 : a quarter of a city in which members of a minority group live especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure
3 a : an isolated group <a geriatric ghetto> b : a situation that resembles a ghetto especially in conferring inferior status or limiting opportunity <stuck in daytime TV's ghetto>

www.m-w.com

Squaredsc

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ok, call me ignorant, and i don't have the feeds and don't read all of the live feed posts but get my info from these discussions. but how are marcellas and dani using the "race card"? 'cause from some of the above posts it doesn't sound like they are using their race to get votes? and if i am not mistaken, gerry was the first one who brought up race when using the veto thing. was he using the "race card"?? im sorry but i don't understand.

Squaredsc

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yeah, but in the streets, ghetto means the urban areas filled with black folk or hispanic folk.

Abby7

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
can someone explain "blackface" to me. i've never heard it before and don't know what it means, really.

Abby7

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Squaredsc, I thought ghetto meant "poor area" or trashy, etc. doesn't mean "filled with black folk or hispanic folk" at all. it could be any poor neighborhood, i thought.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My gay friends and I all refer to the Castro District where I live as the "gay ghetto"....sometimes just "the ghetto".

Oregonfire

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From what I know about "blackface," it refers to when vaudveille stage comedians would wear exaggerated black faces and imitate African Americans for laughs. It was and is hugely insulting.

Spike Lee made a movie parodying the black face genre called Bamboozled.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ted Danson showed up at Whoopi Goldberg's celebrity roast in blackface (at *her* suggestion, btw) and was royally lambasted in the press. He was dating her at the time and they had both thought it would be funny. Apparently they were the only two laughing.

Abby7

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
thanks oregon. i do understand that. I also remember the big uproar when Ted Danson dressed in blackface at a roast to his then girlfriend, Whoopie Goldberg. however, (i'm feel stupid in explaining this) i'm not sure how someone can use it in a sentence and it be offensive. do you know what i mean. is just saying the word like using the "n" word?

Abby7

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sanfran, we were typing at the same time! however, what could Tanya (or anyone for that matter) say that would be offensive using the word blackface? I truly feel ignorant here as I usually understand these things (i live in Los Angeles so in a mixed culture).

Abby7

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SanFran, did you also know that Montel Williams was at that same roast. He was so furious he walked out and sent roses to all the women who were at the roast the next day.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Didn't know about Montel...but I can't stand that pompus never-stops-talking guy anyhow. :-)

I don't know the context of Tonya's blackface comment.

Squaredsc

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
abby7, i was just saying what the word means in the streets as in how its interpreted, not necessarily the literal meaning.

hmm, using the term blackface could, to some, be as bad as using the "n" word. i don't know how josh used it and im not saying that he did use or not use it, but marcellas said he used it and i don't know how it was used.

yeah, i don't know how whoopie or ted would have thought that showing up in blackface would be funny on Any level. but then again whoopie doesn't consider herself an african-american, but that's for another topic.

abby7 i hope i haven't confused you.

Silksmoke

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 04:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did a search on the internet and found this link that may answer some of your questions about "blackface" that was used in Minstrel shows.
These shows and the term "blackface" are highly insulting to our black citizens, and depicts the ignorance of those who found these shows entertaining and representive of the African Americans of that time in my opinion.

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/railton/huckfinn/minstrl.html

Vaudeville was a completely different genre that included song, dance, comedy and often strip tease.

Wcv63

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 04:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Abby, did you know that Montel was sued for divorce by his wife when she spotted his girlfriend front and center in the audience of his talk show?

Why do I even know this?

Abby7

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 04:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
no squaredsc, i get what your saying. i think i'm being too literal or something today. (not enough going on in the livefeeds! lol). anyway, i still don't think that's the meaning "in the streets" but who knows. I don't think either of us really live "in the streets". however, I am from Los angeles, and you? (lol, just kidding).

Oregonfire

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 04:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Silksmoke. I saw the minstrel reference when I looked up the word and thought vaudeville was the same thing! Thanks for clarifying.

Mystari

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 04:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sigh


I don't know about any of you - but I consider myself to be simply.....


American


I just happen to have ancestors that were members of the Oneida Tribe.


And I feel that anyone who insists on segregating their bloodline when they classify themselves is "playing the race card."

Abby7

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 04:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv, no I didn't. (lol, true why do WE even know about HIM). who brought him up anyway? (oh!it was me).

Squaredsc

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol abby7, i live in the streets of baltimore maryland.

silksmoke, are you saying that blackface wasn't used in vaudeville?

Squaredsc

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol abby7, i live in the streets of baltimore maryland.

silksmoke, are you saying that blackface wasn't used in vaudeville?

Squaredsc

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 04:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sorry for the double post.

Squaredsc

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 04:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well, im sorry mystari. but im black and im proud, ala james brown. so im playing the race card and proud of it. jmo. no offense to anyone.

Abby7

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 04:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ooh squaredsc, baltimore! i'm STILL "more street" than you! in fact, as I type this I can see the street! beat that! (lol)

Silksmoke

Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 04:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Squaredsc, blackface may have been used sometimes in vaudeville, but that was not it's major feature, and I believe it was Al Jolsen who used it in a movie (please correct me here if I'm wrong). It's just that Minstrel Shows were where blackface was primarily used.