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Wedge

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually if I remeber right, when Pugita was in there , the Animal Rights people were complaining. God knows why.
So unless they have a blind dude, a person in a wheelchair, bi-polar ...etc, etc and so on, there is always gonna be a complaint raised by someone. Thats life. Its their show and I dont agree on how they pick contestants, I would like to see normal everyday folk instead of drama kings/queens...people not so vain ...but its not my show.
Coming from a huge ethnically diverse family I see the plus in having a cast like I would want
, but Hollywood matters ,not me..( i dont have that much money..lol)
Peace and love..:)

Draheid

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
First and foremost, let me say this is *MY* oppinion and should not be read as anything more!
Big Brother 1, 2, 3, & (hopefully) 4 are intended to be
E N T E R T A I N M E N T

To think of them in any other context is simply not possible. I believe that the number of applicants, if it were made public and broken down into ethnic or religious groups, would probably lay this entire conversation to rest.

IMHO we have to think of this as nothing more than entertainment, and it is cast for exactly that.

JMO - FWIW

Gritss

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 04:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just would like to send kudos to all the TVCH folks for treating this thread with respect. If ever there was a thread that would bring out the worst, this was it.

It didn't happen, and I'm glad. We have a good group here.

Continue.

Jhezzie

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 04:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I smell a troll...

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 04:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just got home to see this thread. I am totally amazed that this question is even being discussed. The person who started it even had the nerve to use the phrase "token blacks". First of all, where are the overweight people that comprise the majority of society. Secondly, where are the people in their 40's. Thirdly, where are the widows, widowers, retirees, handicapped, policemen, factory workers etc. This show is their show, and they decided to use what they felt would be entertaining. Anyone that would waste time trying to analyze the demographics and percentages of these houseguests needs to rethink their priorities. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Lurknomore

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 04:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Let's not forget BB3 is totally prejuduced against middle aged people, older people, average looking people, overweight people, shall I go on???

This show had NOTHING to do with a fair representation of America. And the only prejudice I see is against "real people." Kinda funny for a reality show eh?

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 04:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This thread is ignorant and should never have been started in the first place.

Maris

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 04:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nobody said the show should be a fair representation of America just like popular shows like Friends is not an accurate representation of single living in NY.

If they wanted the show to be politically correct they would have called Josh to the DR the first time he slapped someone in the ass.

Sunni

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 04:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LoL! Ellenkats. Now I have to put in a disclaimer that says: Not a muslim nation

Costacat

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 04:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood, is that your opinion? Cause my opinion is I think the original question was valid. And although I don't believe there was racism in the casting, I also don't believe there is true representation among the HGs.

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 05:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The original poster called Marcellus and Danielle token blacks. It makes no sense and it made the whole question null and void.

Tisha90029

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 05:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here you are, baby.....you're going out with the bathwater.

Abby7

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 05:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
IS BB3 Racist? NO, imo. For those not happy with the hg selection, who would you select to be in the house? Would there have to be equal amount by race alone, race and religion, age....just how would you "equally represent" everyone and produce this show?

Abby7

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 05:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
oh, forgot to add...how would you also represent "fat" (and what is fat), "thin" (and what is thin), tall, short ,etc.?? it could get ridiculous you know. (where are the blind and handicapped....with the exception of Eddie).

Ryn

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 05:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker...

this thread was going along fine, we were not really arguing, having a good discussion even though the thread title was pretty inflamitory. Why come in 2 1/2 hours and 50 posts into a thread and, in my opinion, try to stir things up?

Did you read all the posts and discover that there was a very healthy discusison going on or did you read the initial post (long forgotten by me at least), and jump to the bottom to complain about it?

The original poster has not even replied to the discussion. So chances are your post will not be read by him/her.

Ryn

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 05:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I read your post again, I guess you made some of the same arguments some of us did, but I missed that stuff because of they tone of your post, and the fact that you siad it was a pointless thread.

THis thread, to me is much more valid than the ones discussing Tonya's divorce, Chiara's DUI, or Amy's past. This is about BB directly, the show, not the previous lives of the HGs.

So sorry for possibly jumping the gun a bit, but I still feel like the tone of your posts were a bit harsh/inflamitory.

Wiseolowl

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 06:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Woodpecker this whole political correctness thing is just BS BS . And I suspect that many Muslims , Hispanics , Asians - whatever that means - would be insulted themselves that they were considered on this basis. America is supposed to be a melting pot and second generations of whatever they are just want to be accepted as ordinary Americans. The fact is, TV in general doesn't reflect the whole ethnic spectrum according to the demographic statistics and many actors-actresses assume Anglo-Saxon stage names to further their careers. Society is becoming more accepting without do-gooders and ethnicity counters butting in to satisfy their own need to be liberal and tolerant.

Llkoolaid

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have read this thread from top to bottom and I have to say that DRAHEID'S post at 3:57 speaks for me the most.

Dfwteddy

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Draheid's point is nearly right on the mark.

CBS isn't about entertainment (duh!)-- it is about advertising revenue. (It shows up in the CREDIT column.) Since no one will sit and watch commercials for very long, they package those commercials around entertainment and news. This programming (as it is referred to in the biz) is an expense. (It goes in the DEBIT column.) If you have cheap programming, you keep more of the advertising dollars you get. Thus, instead of paying six 30-something actors $1million per episode (which airs once a week), you put 12 strangers in a house with 24/7 surveillance, wait to see who kills whom, and pay the winner $500G at the end of 30+ edisodes. (HUGE revenues - little expense = Positive Bottomline)

And in order to get the most desirable demographics (those viewers who are 18-49 and have money to spend) to hold our attention and earn those HUGE revenues, the cast will mostly include 'beautiful,' good people. How else could you explain Tonya being on this program? They needed a big-breasted bimbo to attract those 18-29, high-testosterone males; Gerry was added because MURDER SHE WROTE is no longer on the air and someone had to bring in the old folks for all the new drug company commercials; and Jason was added to appease the religious-right and be a spokeman for the Abstinence Now! program.

This isn't reality, this is TV! If you want to make the casting reflective of society, get out your checkbook and make your donation to PBS!!

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryn, I read your posts and your thoughts contained many of the things I wrote about. Two hours after the thread was started has nothing to do with my posting. I just got home. I come to the board and I see "Is BB Racist?". I am fully aware of all the people who responded. This thread can be called anything that I want to call it. If you want to play nice and not comment about someone saying there are 2 token blacks in the game, feel free. I say that is a fallacy, and to just leave that lying there is giving the thread validity. Comparing this thread to other fluff threads carries no weight with me mainly because the term racist is harsh and an attack word when used in this context. I said my piece and I was clear and concise. The points are there for all to see. You may all turn this thread into fluff, but I'm not buying it. (This is my opinion and I hope it is taken that way. I am not angry, and if we all agreed on everything this would be completely dull and predictable).

Llkoolaid

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said Dfwteddy

Bmh

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont think BB3 is racist at all..not many people from different races apply..it is hard trying to find a gem among a bunch of losers that is good-looking,smart,stable,and a different nationality...and to point out think about this...What nationality is the host of BB????...none other than Julie Chen a Chinese-American woman..I dont think there is a host of any reality show that isn't white or black..or none that I can think of..I respect BB alot for having a wonderful host like Julie :)

However I always wish reality shows will have more asian american women on shows...because I have always had a liking to them..and glad to hear there will be a asian women on survivor 5!!

Woodpecke®

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was going to post about Julie earlier, and I am thrilled Bmh did it.

Bmh

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry to get off topic a little..but I read somewhere in this thread that Will is half asian..is this true..wow I never knew that if that is true..where have I been lol?

And someone said that Nicole was half asian too..Im confused

Wigglepuppy

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 09:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nicole's half-Thai.