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Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was thinking about this the other day, funnily enough. I wonder if the highly disputed "Roddy tone" is in a pitch that only women can hear?

Moedog

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That could be a strong possibility, OR. My husband never really paid attention to many comments which I, as a woman, found demeaning and offensive. Once he started listening more closely, he was astounded by what he's previously overlooked. LOL, now I've created a monster. He can't even listen to a lot of the old tunes he loved as a teen because of their sexist lyrics.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregon...this could so easily disintegrate into gender wars. :)

IMO, if the insults aren't directed towards a group with which you identify perhaps it's easier to overlook and/or not take it personally. Perhaps. It does seem as if there is a distinct gender split when it comes to Roddy. Of course there are exceptions.

Jimmer

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do think that women sometimes hear or perceive things differently than men (and this is not a put down to women, or a put down to men for that matter).

Nutsy

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
***runs away screaming into the Zen thread***

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jimmer IMO it's men who sometimes hear or perceive things differently than women.

Chancesdesign

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree completely that it is mostly HOW Roddy communicates that irks me a little. I love to have conversations and even arguements with people. I know a lot of people that know a lot more then I do about certain subjects and I feel that there are some subjects I know more about. But conversation is about sharing knowledge amoung a group not one person imparting their knowledge. At least not in this environment. This is not grade school.

I always get the feeling that Roddy is lecturing on subjects and is not looking for any dialog. When someone does venture to add their thoughts, it seems like Roddy either questions their facts or changes the subject. I think he is afraid to think that any of the other house guests know any more then he does.

Maybe he is completely different in another environment. It seems like he made the determination early on that he was more knowledgable then the others and that is how he talks with them.

I remember a conversation a couple of weeks ago between Chiara and Roddy where they kept saying things like "I never expected to meet someone like you in the house." Comments about how they assumed the people that watched the show and participated were basically of a lower class. And they were clearly saying that while the other house guest may fit that mold, they themselves did not. That conversation made me look at Roddy and Chiara in a completely different way. Maybe I am projecting my belief that he is condescending to the others to the way I perceive his conversations.

Oregonfire

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
W,

Goddess146

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My favorite Roddy Pontification was:

Did you know that if the speed of light was not constant, when you were walking towards me I would see your nose before your face.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow. That is so...ummmm...what would you call that kind of information? Word magic? Put a bunch of words together to create the illusion that something was actually said?

Curlyq

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Goddess146! I wonder if he just lays in bed thinking about this stuff.

I have to admit the only one I remember is that the sound of a whip cracking is actually a mini sonic boom. I looked it up and he was right.

Oh! There was another one about how the ancient Etruscan people were actually very small. I don't even know how to look that one up.

Costacat

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pootie.

Jimmer

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63, "IMO it's men who sometimes hear or perceive things differently than women." I love it!!! What a great comeback!

Goddess146

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I should mention that Roddy's speed of light thingy is exactly wrong. A fast enough detector would see ones nose before ones face.

Minnyace01

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63 - You know, among virtually all men, it is a given that we can not understand how the majority of women perceive things.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Minny. And all this time I thought men used that premise simply as all-encompassing cop out!

Penpoint

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
IMO, humans sometimes hear or perceive things differently than their opposite gender--in fact, some humans hear or perceive things differently than any other human!

Carigsby

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think that men or women perceive things differently because they are men or women - but because of their own personal experiences. Your perceptions of the world and the people around you are unique and individual as no one has had the same experiences as you have.

You are absolutely right that we can choose how we speak to other people - I even said that in another post. However, what you are not acknowledging is that we don't have control over what other people say. All we have control over is how we perceive what was said and how it was said and then our choice to do something (or not) about it.

Certainly - there have been times when I have felt very low because of something that has been said to me. However - I didn't feel inferior as a person, just over the specific subject. And I don't even know that inferior is the right word. I know my capabilities and I know when I screw up - I control that.

I personally choose to not let how other people talk to me or what they say to me effect how I look at myself. I, and I alone, have the responsibility of taking action in my own life. I will not let what other people think about me or say to me change that opinion in any way. I have close friends and family that I trust to tell me if I've screwed up - because they know me best and don't say things in a condesending way. If someone else does it - I don't listen.

I mentioned before that I have friends who remind of Roddy. I love them because they are my friends. They aren't condesending and I regret if I made it sound that way. They do want to be right all the time - but they will also admit to being wrong.

Also - I'm a woman and I don't perceive Roddy as being sexist.

Rod

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember being taught about perception is some Psychology course.

We were taught that, from a thought in your head to a sound in the recipient's head..there are 4 translations of the meaning.

1) your original/concept idea as a thought in your head

2) the words your experience/learning causes you to choose to actually voice your thought

3)the tone/attitude and words actually heard/observed by the listener

4) the meaning put onto the tone/attitude & words based on the past experiences of the listener

so really it is surprising that any two people ever have the same perceptions of anything said by anyone!

Rod

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hmmm sounds like something Roddy might have said...I aoplogize for that. I am not he!

Realfan

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A study was released recently that showed women retained emotional memories 75% of the time, where men retained emotional memories 45% of the time (the %s are my guess, can't remember exactly.) In other words, if you get in a fight with your spouse, the wife will remember what you said to hurt her feelings long after the husband will forget.

I think a lot of differences are hard-wired into the male and female brains, and it's nature over nurture.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rod and Realfan that makes a lot of sense. I've always believed that personal experiences affect perception.

As a woman who has been on the receiving end of sexism I am probably more inclined to take issue with statements that others may consider innocuous . I'm probably more sensitive to certain types of behaviors I've come to associate with that "type".

Moedog

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There are so many biological differences between males and females to account for differences in our behavior/perceptions. Hormones alone are very different between the genders, and they do affect the way we think and behave. Physiology matters. Viva la difference!

Smrtass

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pig skin is more similar to human skin than any other species.

<pork rind halfway to mouth>

Huh?

...Advances in cloning will make the use of pigskin obsolete.

Nuh uh.

<pork rind in mouth, crunching>

Carigsby

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just want to say that after re-reading - I feel like I came across as lecture-y. I did not intend to at all (after all - that's why this thread was started!).

Rod's earlier post reminded me of a communcation theory about how we communicate with people and what we share.

It says that we communicate based on 4 things:
1. What we know about ourselves
2. What others know about ourselves
3. What others don't know about ourselves
4. What we don't know about ourselves

Throughout this thread it has occurred to me that we don't know a lot about Roddy on a personal level. Perhaps that says a lot about him and how he communicates with others.