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Cameltoes

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think she will lose Amy's vote. Amy likes Danielle and Danielle has basically treated her well in the house and that will weigh more in her mind than the lie. Marcellas is a question mark. He hates the idea of being blatantly lied to.

This season is hard when it comes to rooting interests. They all do things that drive me crazy. Once Roddy and Chiara leave, I don't even care all that much who wins. The bottom line is that they will have eliminated the Six Pack (well.. Lisa is like this year's Will).

Spree17

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
stingerman I agree but nobody in that house has been 100% honest. if everyone else is lying or playing dirty and you always tell the truth/play clean in this game you will lose. Not a matter of if just when. Its like playing poker and while everyone else has the right to bluf you say you wont. well then you just lost. In the real world I'm so honest my friends trust me more than they do themselves but I'm not going to condemn danni for lying when every single person in that house has lied themselves. If you dont lie in this game how can you ever win when everyone else is lying? Has roddi lied? kiki? lisa? even nice jason has lied.

Lilacs04

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv -- I agree, I wish Amy had realized that Dani wouldn't have been so hot to have Roddy on the block if she didn't intend to evict him. Oh well. She worships Danielle because of her own mother's comments. Momma Crews done her little girl wrong.

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said, Wcv!
Though it did work that way with Josh and I think there are regrets...

Wcv63

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lilacs, there was a brief whispered conversation in the hot tub when only A/J/L were left. I was kinda upset they didn't show it on the recap show where they revealed the winner of HOH.

The gist of the convo was "We're going to get out. We don't want you to promise anything. But please listen to Marc with your heart and mind open." She agreed. Lisa got out first.....Jason soon followed.

Remember Amy knew how important it was to get HOH because any sensible person would realize that she would not be considered anything but an interloper coming back into the game. She knew that if she wanted to stay in the game she had to win HOH.

Webkitty

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Amy and I'm glad she's back. I just don't want to see her be embarrassed and made a fool of on LIVE national tv next Thursday!

She BELIVES that Chiara will be voted out, because DANIELLE promised her the votes for it.

I want to see Roddy leave the house as much as everyone, and I would be find with him going this week, if AMY knew he was going and was ok with it.
Even if she WASN'T ok with it, my thinking is, at least tell the poor girl before the live show next Thursday what is going down, so she can be prepared.

Its not AMY'S fault that A.S. decided to throw in this twist, she steped up to the plate and competed and won. Geesh! If the HG don't like the twist, too bad. DAnielle had just as much of a chance to stay in that tub as anyone else, but she decided to take the low road at Amy's expense. I don't like it.
If Danielle had waited everyone else out and won HOH, and mandated Roddy go this week, I would have been fine with that. But she didn't. Amy did, she should be able to have the mandate, w/o Danielle pulling the strings from backstage.

The WAY Danielle is going about it is so underhanded and just stinks. I hope she shows some measure of human kindness and doesn't let Amy out to dry on Thursday. Amy wants DAnielle to WIN this thing for crying out loud! She will be SO hurt at her betrayal. ~rant over~ JMO

Justshirley

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa needs to get in on the damage control with Amy. She needs to tell Amy that sometimes you need to play this game with your head instead of your heart. That she (Lisa) has a better reason than anyone to vote Chiara out since she betrayed their whole "girl power" pact and went against their friendship when she voted to evict her over Eric. But Lisa is swallowing her vengeful feelings and doing what needs to be done -- voting out the bigger threat instead of the bigger annoyance.

And then Lisa needs to remind Amy that she never would have been booted out of the house in the first place, if not for Roddy's nominations and his insistence on a unanimous vote. She needs to point out to Amy that the fact that Amy is defending Roddy so vehemently after he did her so wrong should be ample evidence of the insidious nature of Roddy's charm.

I guess what it all boils down to is that, while a lot of posters in this thread are offended on Amy's behalf that she is being lied to, in the end I don't think that Amy herself will see it as "being lied to." I think she will be convinced that she was being protected.

Some might argue that it's still not right, but it's all in the context of the game. And that's the beauty of this game. In the end, Amy gets to get out and see everything that went down. And, if she feels she was lied to, she has the power to punish Danielle by withholding her vote if Danielle makes the finals.

Nermal

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lilac, during the HOH competition when Chiara went in the house and Roddy was lying down there was a whispered converstation between Danielle, Jason, Lisa and Amy. That's when she was asked who she'd put up and she said Roddy and Chiara. They said then they would let her have HOH so that ORD wouldn't get her evicted. They even decided the order they would leave the tub to avoid suspicion. I watched the conversation. It's probably recorded in the Live Feeds.

Remember, the rules of this game include lying. They were all told that others could and would lie to them. They were all asked if they would lie. Most of them said yes. They were all shown the tapes from last year where people lied. This isn't chess where honor says you don't lie. This is a game where you hide your thoughts, deceive and manipulate and the one who does it the best will win. I respect Danielle's method of playing more than Roddy's. He tells them all what they want to hear. He "loves" and "admires" anyone he wants on his side. In using words like that to everyone they lose meaning. That makes them a lie. Amy and Josh both fell for his lies. If you think he really feels everything he says about them, you're kidding yourself. People like that annoy me as much as Josh did.

Shrike3000

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think they will vote Roddy out. If Dani, Jason, and Lisa vote Roddy out even though Amy was promised that would not happen, that turns Amy and Marcellus against D/J/L . I think A & M will then go to Chiapet and Gerry and say even though we hate you, lets get rid of the last alliance by making our own.

It is to risky to turn A & M against them at this time, becuase they can be outnumbered still.

They need to get rid of Chia and still keep Amy and Marcie still kinda on their side, one more round get rid of Gerr or Rod and then it's all out war.

Just my thoughts. My prediction, Chiara leaves with unanimous votes.

Lilacs04

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
JustShirley -- I still think Chiara was the main reason Amy was nominated and SHE was the one that pushed for a unanimous vote. Didn't Amy even say they could get together and decide who would make the one vote?

Meggieprice

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nermal- I owe you thanks- you articulated again exactly my thoughts as I too heard that convo in the tub.You look at this game in a similar way to me. Flat on my back with laptop on chest unable to move you saved me lots of typing!

Stingerman

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Danni makes it to the final she could end up loosing a lot of votes because of this lie. She has already pissed off a lot of people. I mean wait till Tonya see's the nice comments Danni made about her and then you have the Lori incident. And now with the rest look at how many would vote against her.

Amy
Marci
Roddy
Gerry
Tonya
Lori

And if Jason or Lisa are are there at the end with her then she is going to loose that vote so she won't have enough votes to win.

This is why it's improtant not to lie and screw people over. You would think that Danni would take this into consideration

Moedog

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy's Mom told her that she loves Danielle. Amy has to figure that her Mom has seen Danielle in action which Amy hasn't seen while in Mexico, or didn't see while she was in the house. Maybe Amy'll be okay with Danielle doing what was agreed to the week before because MOM has faith in Danielle.

Spree17

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure it will end up that way. They might want to carry gerry to the end if possible. I think amy and marc vote for danni over almost anyone other than roddy anyway

Wcv63

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But if Dani had won HOH she may not have had the votes she needed to make sure that Roddy was evicted. Amy was/is a definite vote to evict Chiara. Dani was thinking ahead and knew her vote was needed to get Roddy out.

I think JustShirley's suggestion is a good one...but it can only happen AFTER the eviction and then Dani can give Amy all the reasons that Roddy was so dangerous and assure her that they want Chiara out as badly as she does but it wasn't the right time.

Amy's smart. She'll see past the trees to see the forest. It may just take a while.

Maris

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
long before Amy was evicted she said she wanted Danielle to win the game. Even when Dani was trying to stab Amy in the back with Marcellas, Amy didnt see it. Amy is naieve where Dani is concerned.

Lilacs04

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Wcv, but she'll be angry as heck that she didn't get to have a Chiara-free week with Roddy! Instead she gets to have a Roddy-free week with a nasty and vengeful Chiara.

She wanted Chiara out period but the main advantage was having HotRod all to herself. Personally, I would've liked to see that. She knew his time was limited anyway.

Groucho

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Shrike and Stingerman. If Dani breaks her word to Amy, she'll expose herself as untrustworthy. Amy, Marc, Gerry, and Chiara will target her, even if they don't all like each other.

It would be better for her to keep her word and evict Chiara. That way only Roddy would be targeting her. And she could still control Amy and Marc.

Moedog

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy got to come back into the house after having been evicted, and she gets to spend a week in the HOH room. Somewhere in life she needs to learn that spoiled children don't get everything they want all of the time. That's life.

Spree17

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
that would be stupid no offense intended. roddy can lead marcy and amy around by the nose. Amy his new gf and marcy his new cool best friend . He even told marcy he needs somebody to take erics role. There was a void there. If dani doesnt get rid of roddy this week her goose is cooked. Its now or never for dani

Wcv63

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Groucho, Dani has long since seen Marc's defection from the alliance. She watches, listens and learns. She knows Marc has a deal with Roddy.


Meggie, why are you flat on your back? Are you allright?

Moedog

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 10:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I totally agree with you, Spree! Roddy has to go NOW.

Personally, I'd be offended if someone wanted me around to be an Eric replacement.

Webkitty

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I just lost a long post! (I hate when that happens)

I think that EVERYONE wants Roddy out NOW, and that includes the HG, everyone here and ME.

My problem is with the method, and that the method will most likely hurt and embarrass Amy, a HG I like. That's all.

I just hope the situation works itself out before next Thursday so that Roddy will go and Amy can know about it and be ok with it BEFORE it happens.
That may not be a practical wish considering the pressure cooker that is the BB house, but I'll just have to be an optimist or I'll get myself worked into a knot over it, right?

Spree17

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
dani could just come up to amy and say roddi has made it clear if he is still here that he will go after danni and ask for amys understanding. I bet thats all it will take. Amy is a good hearted person

Vonne

Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 11:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fly in the ointment?

This thought just occured to me. Chiara being Chiara, what's to stop her from going to Amy after the PoV has not been used and telling her that she is not the one to be going this week? That Dani told her right from the start (of this week of noms) that she had her back and she just had to lay low and all would be okay.

She despises Amy and would like nothing better than to take another stab at Amy for getting her man evicted.

I don't think any amount of damage control is going to assuage that feeling of betrayal Amy will feel towards Danielle for giving Chiara another stab at her.

Thoughts?