Archive through August 15, 2002
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Archive through August 15, 2002
Ravenly | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 02:00 pm     I just wanted to add that last night I was actually in tears for poor Josh. I think he became aligned with the wrong person/people and I don't see how Josh ever really betrayed Roddy. He ran around lying and doing most of Roddy's bidding which is where he went wrong. I think Josh saw a good, true friend in Roddy and thought that Roddy could take him to the final two. And so he ran around gathering info & telling lies for Roddy. I really think it is going to break his heart even further when he views the tapes and sees that Roddy was getting highly annoyed with Josh and telling Eric he wouldn't have a problem evicting him/dumping him. I said this before in another thread, I really do think that BB will suffer without him because he really does add a lot of entertainment value to the show. He really is a hoot!!! Part of his charm on the show is that he is a terrible liar and sometimes you love to hate him. I have also found him to be rather quick-witted with his comments at times. At first I was thinking I really wanted Roddy out and Josh to stay, but for Josh's sake I hope it's his time. Seriously, I think that the game is just too stressful on him and he is more than likely going to get hurt even further in the long run by his good pal Rod. |
Kitt | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 02:19 pm     I also think his emotions last night were real, and I hate to see anyone so upset as he clearly was. A common thought here and on other conversations is that we should show Josh more compassion, but I think however much we can now see that Josh is upset, it doesn't excuse him from his earlier behaviour, particularly towards Gerry. He made a decision to act that way and a lot of how he is feeling now - isolation, betrayal, sadness - is directly because he chose to act like that to other people. Deep down he seems like a sensitive and caring person, but he is very immature and self-centered and needs to learn from his mistakes. I'm glad he has Merrit and his other friends when he leaves, because he really is going to feel bad, but he should also take this chance to look at his behaviour and examine why this happened. If he can make something good of his experience in the house I think we'll all be happy for him. Call me harsh if you like, but I think if you care about someone you should do your best to help them improve the patten of their lives, not just commiserate with them. |
Maris | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 02:26 pm     Josh hasnt behaved much worse than anyone else in this house and there are quite a few people I would put him ahead of. He annoyed the hell out of me with the butt slapping but Roddy and Chiara twisted and put a spin on everything he said. There is very little that Josh said in the last week that was not true. Everything he said was the truth. He got good and screwed by Roddy and Chiara and hopefully he will see that it wasnt just Chiara that was the cause of his downfall. What did he do that was so bad that it caused Marcellas to go running off crying like a three year old? He told Marcellas the truth. |
Sonia | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 02:27 pm     In my book, Josh is one of the most interesting hgs to watch, with all the good and bad sides he had in the context of this game, but, as you say Ravenly, for his own sake, I wish Josh to go tonight. I think it's better for him to leave now, and to return on his real life with Merritt and his other friends. After Josh's leaving, I feel that the hgs who frequently accuse him to be the worst trouble maker, the most untrust, the worst everything of the house, those hgs will probably be more confronted to their own problems with each others, without the possibility to now say it's Josh's fault. I'm curious to see how they will handle it. |
Tj2353 | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 03:48 pm     *Kitt: "He made a decision to act that way and a lot of how he is feeling now - isolation, betrayal, sadness - is directly because he chose to act like that to other people." 1. EVERYONE, including Jason, will eventually have to own up to their 'less than honorable' behavior. 2. I assume they ALL feel the end justifies the means: deceit,treachery & cold hearts = Cold Hard $$$$$! 3. I feel (in my heart) the difference between Josh's game playing and the others is that his HEART is not hard enough to handle the reprecussions of "what happens if YOU DON'T WIN"...you have to live with the wrong that you did and you won't have the $$$$$ to make that excuse that it was all worth it in the end. 4. (I feel) Josh truly cared for those people, but felt he had to play them before they played him (in order to win). 5. When all was said & done, he got the cold hard painful truth...THEY WERE PLAYING YOU, TOO! And finally...the biggest difference - 6. I don't feel that Rod,Chia,and yes GERRY nor the rest will leave the house regretting their actions and having their heart in so much pain. To err is Josh - I mean Human...to forgive is...well, ya know! After writing all of this, darn, I talked myself into really liking that crazy ole' Joshy. PEACE |
Tj2353 | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 04:01 pm     Oh yes...I also wanted to say to Sonia...what great insight to the quandary: "Duh...who do we blame now??? Amy's gone, we got rid of her because she was BAD. Josh is gone, we got rid of him too, 'cause he was A BAD BOY. Okay ... which one of US is screwing up OUR chance of winning now...RAISE YOUR HAND!!!" |
Kitt | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 04:01 pm     Hi Tj. I'm not sure what you were disagreeing with in what I wrote. Like I said, we'll all be happy for him if he'll get something out of the experience, and I hope he does. I think the fact that people are defending Josh shows that he has touched our hearts, even if he has irritated and infuriated us while he's been in the house. Chiara irritates me as much at the moment, but I'd never bother to post something about her because she hasn't done anything to make me care about her. (I'm not suggesting she isn't worth caring about, just that she hasn't clicked that button in me.) I'm not sure I like Josh, but I certainly feel for him. |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 04:03 pm     I agree with those that said that Josh's tears and emotions were/are real. He is a real human being with real emotions. I cosign Ryn's request that Merritt give Josh a smack upside the house for believing in, and aligning with, Roddy. I hope that Josh finds peace outside the house and that Merritt can show him what a "true ephiphany" feels like. |
Ryn | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 04:12 pm     btw guys, you know that this board is visited by friends of Josh, the show is not on yet, but still would not hurt to leave a FAN message in the right place for Josh, it will be there if he gets out tonight - or later. BB HG FANMAIL (not hatemail) area YOu can leave a message for ANY hg, can't guarentee they will see it, but at least we know Merrit & Furry read the board so the odds are good  |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 04:20 pm     Ummm...in my post above...should be "upside the head" not "upside the house". I'm doing too many things at once! |
Seamonkey | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 04:30 pm     Well, I guess I'd let Josh get all input and then decide after the show if Roddy's really deserving of Joshy's devotion... his decision. But, Merrit, I'd have to say I have my questions about the Rodster. |
Bmh | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 04:35 pm     gotta a question will Merrit be there to greet Josh tonite?? |
Furry | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 04:47 pm     Kitt- Well said! And Sonia- Quite true. It is easier to point out the speck in the eye of another, rather than focus on the log in your own. (Paraphrase, of course.) Ryn- Thank you! I'm going to introduce Josh to this board...once I think the timing is right. I think we're all a little concerned about how to act, and how Josh will react once he returns. We are going to throw him a surprise party, and fly in all of his friends and family just to show him how many friends he truly does have. I think he will appreciate the feedback from this board as well. He knows how he comes across, but the fact that people are capable of reading him more than surface-deep will touch him a lot. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 06:05 pm     Furry or Merrit.. email me at the address in my profile.. I have a lizardly idea I'm so glad he got to see Merrit right away. |
Car54 | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 06:12 pm     Nice exit, Joshie...well done. I am proud of you. You left with class. |
Niceguy | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 06:18 pm     Hear, Hear!!! He really had me fooled that he was a complete knucklehead. Josh made me forget 95% of his foolishness. Way to leave with class. |
Twiggyish | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 07:26 pm     I'm proud of you Josh for standing up to Roddy. I hope you join our group here. I for one would love your perspective. |
Pamy | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 07:41 pm     Thanks everyone for keeping this thread fairly nice for Josh!!! I was in bed watching the show(computer was all ready shut down)and was so touched when Josh said he didn't have many friends and cherished the ones he had. I was feeling really bad for trashing him early on and I had to come and post the message in hopes Furry and Merrit would see it and know some of us had changed our opinions of him. I haven't seen tonite's show yet but was happy see Car54's message about him leaving with class. Good for him! Furry and Merrit continue to cherish Josh as he does you. My best to all of you!!
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Tj2353 | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 09:40 pm     Hi backatya Kitt: I don't think it's a matter of disagreement really, but I think a large part of "how he is feeling now..." is not only because "he choose to act like that to other people", but because of the way other people chose to act towards him. They chose to single him out as the sole troublemaker and they chose to betray him and smack him around (figuratively speaking) because THEY COULD -- He made himself an easy target by trying to be ruthless when he's obviously not cut from that cloth. They could choose to treat Chia the exact way since they are well aware of all the cr*p she has done...but, they choose not to, so Chia has not felt betrayed or beat down because of what she's done...not YET, anyway...but they will get around to her, no doubt. A perfect example of what I mean is how THEY treated HIM tonight. He did nothing so reprehensible to deserve the treatment he got on his way out the door. He was playing the GAME, just like the rest...He was part of the team (losing team, but whatever)and he deserved better. If I ever had any doubt about the integrity of the remaining HG's, I'm straight now, they are seriously lacking in class & moral fiber. OK, I already knew that about a couple of them. I was SO DARN PROUD of Joshy tonight! What a sweet young man. He just seemed so intelligent and sincere and REAL while talking to Julie...Nothing At All like the way he was in the house. And I agree that being able to hold Merr tight and proclaim his devotion to her was just what the doctor ordered. |
Songbird | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:17 pm     I've been lurking faithfully on here for 3 years now and have never posted, but I just can't help myself now. I think Josh is the most adorable person, the most refreshing, funny endearing breath of fresh air I've had in a long time. Most of these people on BB are so fake and hypocritical, no matter what they try to present them selves as. But Josh was genuine. He was the only one, Jason aside, that had any integrity in that house in my opinion. He lives large, and exhibits the spirit of a child simply enjoying being alive, and the people he holds dear. Sure he's mischievous, loud, emotional, abrasive...just like most little boys that we love so dearly. I hope he IS a little like he was in the house. I cried when he walked out tonight. Of all 3 seasons, I've never sincerely cared for a houseguest, butI really grew to love Josh and I would add him to my crew of 2 sons in a heart beat ,proud for him to be my son and my boys older brother. I think the other houseguests wanted him out because he represented to them what they were all doing, but trying to hide. Only he was the only one actually telling the truth. I wish you luck and love and happiness and the world Josh and Merrit, forever and always The world is going to receive you with open arms. You are everything Will was not - Thank you for sharing yourself with us. I, for one,will miss you. |
Muse | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 10:39 pm     Tj - Josh ASKED that only Roddy and Jason escort him to the door. I got the impression that the other HGs would've gone if he hadn't made that request. There was some discussion (mainly from Chiara) about how they wouldn't earlier this week, but the whole vibe changed when Josh lightened up in the last few day or two. Thus the group hug. |
Goddess146 | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 11:14 pm     When Josh told Merrit that he wanted to be with her for the rest of his life, was that a real proposal? It sounded more like a con man's proposition. Please tell me it was a real proposal. |
Tj2353 | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 11:15 pm     Yes, Muse, I read about his request in another thread...I don't have a comment for that. I forgot about the group hug, thank you for refreshing my memory. Now I have a 'nicer' image of Joshy's last moments in that place. *Songbird: PLEASE, PLEASE, if you haven't already, post those heartfelt wishes in the FANmail for JOSH area of this club site. |
Azriel | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 11:17 pm     Goddess, I think you should seperate the real Josh from the player Josh in the house. Josh's love for Merritt was there before he went into that house and it seems it grew even stronger while he was there. It was real. |
Annitar | Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 11:18 pm     I think the house is going to be a lot more boring with Joshie gone! He never failed to crack me up! None of us know how we would react if put in the same situation. I really think that a lot of the HGs will regret not knowing that Josh was telling them the truth about a lot of things. He had Chiara pegged! I only wish he could have seen how Roddy was using him. I wish Joshie nothing but happiness! |
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