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Ryn

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was kinda irked the other day when I read a post that said something like, "we all know this board supports Gerry"

I thought, HUH? Since when???

Then I read a bit more and the discussion was how if anyone starts a negative thread about Gerry, several people run to his defense, while the same might not be said of others. Or how negative posts about gerry are frowned on, etc etc.

After thinking abot it a bit here are my thoughts as to why this may appear to be the case.

I would be interested in hearing other ideas and only ask that people not look at this as a thread to pick on any HG in particular, or fight with other members for their opinions.

Does Gerry seem to get off easier than SOME of the other HGs? YES.

Why?

To me the answer is pretty simple. Unlike some HGs, Gerry does not sit for hours on end and trash the other HGs. He has simply not been a part of the bash & trash fests I have witnessed. He HAS been the target of a lot of them.

So what do people have that they can use against Gerry? The whole hygine (sp) issue. And once its brought up everyone looks for it, then others look for OTHER hgs doing things.

I think Jason and Gerry have gotten off pretty easy on the boards, Jason doens't have any habits that people have picked up on and he is praised by the other HGs.

Gerry DOES have some annoying habits AND has been ripped apart by the other HGs, but he has not, to my knowledge, done anything like name calling that most of the others are guilty of, so I sympathise with those that defend him.

One other thought... Gerry is seen as the "outcast HG" - the one all the others pick on.

I suspect that a lot of us remember that role in schoool when we were younger and can sympathize, so perhaps that is another reason he seems to ger favorible treatment here.

(please please don't start bashing all the other HGS or even Gerry now, I just wanted to know if my thoughts make sense).

thanks

opps Edit here --- I did want to also say that I try to be as fair as possible towards every HG when checking posts & such. I really do not feel that I favor one HG over another when it comes to moderating stuff. If you notice I have always asked people to post "fanmail" messages every time an HG is evicted.

Battlestar

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Gerry. I find him to one of the most level headed players in the game.

Beagle

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Not only do your ideas make sense Ryn, that was very well put.

Twiggyish

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think this board is more fair towards Gerry and some of the other guests. I don't see where we defend him, but we do give him more of a chance. (just my thought)

Ryn

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
fair enough twiggy

I will also say that at times I feel people go WAY overboard on some of the other HGs, it was just the fact that someone said we "favorred" gerry that rubbed me the wrong way.

Max

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
seems like all the HGs get equal bash-time, sometimes the focus is on one or the other, and Jason hasn't given much material to pick on, but any flaw that is detected in any HG is usually picked to pieces on the boards.

The thing that bugs me most about Gerry is when he starts trying to talk like he's 20. He'll throw out some expression, like "I give you props for that" and it makes me cringe. It just sounds really patronizing to me. It would sound much more sincere to me if he used regular English to say, "You have my respect for that" or something instead of trying to "fit in with the kids" by using what he perceives to be their vernacular.

:)

Zachsmom

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well..I hope that we support Gerry..the last time I looked we were a fan club..not a bash club!!

Azriel

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think we defend Gerry more than anyone else. Most people that jumped in with their 2 cents in the hygiene threads also seemed to add to their posts - I don't like Gerry, but...

Even if we thought some of the stuff that Gerry did was yucky, I think most of us realized that if you followed any person around for 24/7 with a camera we all have quirks and habits that other people might find gross.

For instance, I'd wash my undies inside in the nice airconditioned house in a sink rather than bend over a stupid bucket in the hot yard with a waterhose getting me all wet. I wouldn't ask anyone and I wouldn't think twice about doing it either.

In short, I don't think our defense was of Gerry per se, but with the overkill on a certain issue that made us squirm because we could very well see our ownselves in his place.

Jello

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Furthermore, I can't understand strategically why Gerry keeps getting discussed as target (e.g., M. to Amy just now). If Amy gets talked into nominating G. over C. and R., I will be beyond perturbed.
Why do Dani and M. hate Gerry this much???? They must really really resent his introduction of a racial element to his veto vote.

Bigd

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe the view of this board is skewed since the HG's bashing Gerry is so overdone? Maybe since the bashing is so prevelant on the feeds then it makes the oppostion/"defense" on the board more obvious? Does that make sense?

Jadebutterfly

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The reason I jump into defend Gerry is mostly because of the bashing thing. Some of it is just so wildly exaggerated, it's not funny. And if D & M don't like him for whatever reason, fine. What I can't take anymore is Marcellus being nice to his face and calling him a double-dealing fat troll. I'm just tired of it. Unless Gerry is hiding that he knows what they think of him, he is going to be crushed when he gets out. He's never said a bad word about Marcellus.

Cyn

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
we are on the outside, and we can see how he is being treated. we can only sympathize with him and try to make the HGs wrongs into rights.

as HumanBeings trying to be human, we try to demonstrate that even though you have to pay the devil we still try to serve God. (using this analogy because it's the double-standard that gets to me so much about the Gerry bashing inside the house.)

god being whatever you choose to believe it to be: truth, love, your own will, kindness, God, etc.

Ryn, said it much clearer and kudos for explaining our actions in defending Gerry!

Azriel

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And as far as Jason is concerned, like Zachsmom said this is a fan club and Jason just seems blessed with more fans that like to post their praises of him.

Noone is restricted on this board from starting their own 'I Love So and So' thread and you have to see that our mods will fight to keep those threads filled with the least amount of negativity possible, regardless of who the HG is.

Draheid

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
HAT* - Could it possibly be that Gerry is easier to relate to by most of us, then the rest of the houseguests? Considering the apparent demographic makeup of this board*, I would speculate that most of us on this board can relate to one or another (or several, perhaps) of Gerry's traits and don't have a problem with these traits in our own lives, therefore, we could be perceived as empathizing with his situation demonstrated by the 'defense' shown in the posts.

JMO - FWIW

* HAT = Here's A Thought * Demographics based on Viewers age vs. houseguests age thread

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Hermione69

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I tend to defend Gerry because I think he is a good man. There are three people that I see who rarely put others down out of meanness-- Gerry, Roddy and Jason. I defend all three of them. I can understand lies and manipulation because they are competing for more money than I will ever see in my life and I know it's part of the process, but why do people have to be so mean? Gerry, Roddy and Jason, IMHO, are not mean and I like that.

BTW, about "The thing that bugs me most about Gerry is when he starts trying to talk like he's 20. He'll throw out some expression, like "I give you props for that" and it makes me cringe. It just sounds really patronizing to me." Gerry is a school teacher as we all know by now. I'm a school librarian. I've worked with middle school kids for 6 years and high school kids for two. You can't help but pick up some lingo from them! Additionally, many students are pretty amused when their teachers try to talk the lingo. They think its funny. They might make fun of it, but at the same time like that the teachers are trying. Gerry probably just picked it up from his students and isn't thinking twice about it.

Ellenkats

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't like Gerry or want him to win, but that doesn't mean I can't still be fair and get angry at the way the HGs bashed him so horridly. BB's editing of him on Wed's show was also very unfair -- they should have shown the same hygiene impairment of the others. Josh went so far out of line with Gerry I felt he should have been penalized in some way by BB.

Woodpecke®

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Gerry is an after thought to many of the people on this board. We always assume that he could be dismissed anytime the players decided that the time was right. This may be true. I became totally disgusted with Gerry's ridiculous reasoning for saving Marcellus in the first nomination round. He is doing whatever it takes to keep himself in the game every week, and I think he is an easy target to criticize given his personal habits. I think that Marcellus' bashing is way out of line, and it may end up in his dismissal and allow Gerry to advance to the final four.

Drpepper

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think people defend him because he gets enough hate in the house behind his back. Then you watch the show and they make him sound like he is a filthy humanbeing. You don't kick a person when they are down, even though he doesn't realize all that is going on, he will when he gets out and I wouldn't want to be him when he does.

Crazydog

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was the one who said that this is a pro-Gerry board, and that if I started an "I hate Gerry" thread he would be vehemently defended whereas an "I hate Roddiara" thread would inspire waves of loathing. This comment was motivated because I have not detected the same degree of passionate "defend Gerry" sentiments over at Television Without Pity.

That said, I do feel that many people here go out of their way to support him and I do think it's because everyone sympathizes with him over how the houseguests treat him. I recognize that those are valid sentiments and I was not trying to pick fights with anyone, just posting my opinion that I don't like Gerry but many people here do.

It is unfortunate that Gerry is the outcast but I would like to say that I feel he is responsible for a large part of this himself. He got off on a very bad foot with everyone when he said that Marcellas was nominated because he is black and gay. In doing so, his preachy tone and his "my soul. is. not. for. sale" comment implied that the rest of them must be homophobic racists. I know that he said he was only talking about himself, but to me, an impartial observer watching that speech on TV, it looked to me he was condemning them. He hasn't really gotten along with any of them since.

Woodpecke®

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We only kicked Josh when he was down. He was an exception to the rule.

Twiggyish

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Woodpecker, zinnnng.

Drpepper

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecke®, I can say I have not kick anyone in the house including Josh.:)

Woodpecke®

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hehe.....

Ryanc2002

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We continue to kick Josh's house ghost. :(

Fluff

Friday, August 16, 2002 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Crazydog. Now it seems that Gerry has made promises to the wrong people (mainly Roddy) and he's stuck. I'd be very surprised if he advances to the final two. I'm just glad he didn't get HOH because he wouldn't have been able to nominate the two I want to see go. Unless...... ... Nevermind. He swore on his mother's soul.