The Real Game: Roddy vs. Danielle
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Spree17 | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:40 am     why was it ok for amy to lie to marcellas and jason? Why was it ok for kiki to lie to lisa, dani, amy, marcy, etc, etc? Why has it been ok for roddy to lie to amy, jason, josh? Let the first non liar in that house cast the first stone. Even nice Jason has lied. They all rant and rave about lying in that house but they all do it. Marcy has lied. so has Gerry. Eric lied to Josh. I cant think of one person that hasnt lied in that place with the possible exception of Lori. |
Eden | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:51 am     Raven, they didn't not vote out Roddy last week because they had given their "word". Danielle was willing to break that vow as was Lisa and initially Marcellas, until he decided he wanted Josh out too much.They would have gone ahead but Gerry seemed too ambiguous to trust. Jason was the only one who never contemplated breaking his pledge. The plan had been originally to get rid of Roddy until they lost Marcellas' support. So, they are being no less "untrue" to Amy by deciding to vote against their vow to her. And as I said in a previous post, unlike if they HAD broken their word to Chiara, this won't hurt Amy in terms of the game. |
Gentoo | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 09:09 am     Jason is the true mastermind. He's latched on to Dani, using her as his Satan to do all the evil but needed work in ousting others. All the while he appears as the Jesus. He'll beat pretty much anybody in the final 2, including Dani. If Dani brings him to the final 2 as they both seem to desire. Dani will be sacrificing herself on Jason's altar. |
Jaysgal | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 09:15 am     Sorry, Gentoo, but I won't give Jason that much credit. Speaking of Lisa, wouldn't it be funny and exciting if she won the POV? It would be so interesting to see where her loyalty lied this time. Roddy or Chiara would know for real this time since neither of the original 6 are left besides Lisa, Chiara and Roddy. Gerry dropped out since. I think she should be put in that predicament. If she didn't use it, she would make Chiara look like a saint. At least we knew that Chiara stood to lose if she used it, as Gerry said he would put up one of theirs. |
Spunky | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 09:20 am     Well, from your two comparisons of Dani's tactics and Roddy's tactics (Wendo's initial post) it's clear that Dani is the strongest player and one we tolerate more. The two are very aware they're in opposite fields and would never ally, even for their own good... I hope for Dani because she allied herself with the most stable hgs. Lisa and Jason, whereas Roddy's jinxed anyone who got close to him..(they're all out so far, Amy is the exception because BB wanted so.) |
Dfwteddy | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 09:30 am     Gentoo: The other possibility is that Dani's gameplaying has been more obvious and Jason's gameplaying more lowkey. In fact, some of the HGs were not even aware that Jason was in the game until recently. Too, if Dani keeps her mouth shut about it and doesn't constantly bring up her family and how this could be their house downpayment anymore (they already get the picture), the others may reward her as a mother with a solid reason for playing so hard, and Jason as a young, single guy who will be satisfied with $50G. (Besides, won't the east coasters -- Chiara, Roddy and Eric -- just assume that $50G goes a long way in AL? LOL!) Too, some of them -- Chiara, Roddy and Eric again, possibly add Amy -- may feel his ultimate loyalty to Danielle betrayed their trust, while Dani never had their trust. Just a thought. |
Webkitty | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 10:32 am     I agree that the real power struggle in the house is between Roddy and Danielle. I wish I had the ability to post their bios here, they are a very telling insite to these two as far as the game is concerned. Something Roddy said in his bio is that "People lie. As Guests lie and break their word to me, nail them to it" (in reference to how he planed to win BB) I realize that when Danni gave her word to Amy that she would vote to evict Chiara, she wasn't telling a lie to RODDY, but I'm telling you, if Roddy gets wind of this I think all eyes will be glued to live feeds as fireworks erupt. Its not over until its over, I can't see Roddy just doing NOTHING. Even if he still goes this week, I think he will try to at least expose Danni's game. Roddy and Danni seem like snake charmers to me, just different styles, and I don't think Danni's is any more honerable or admirable than Roddy's. I don't want either one of them to even get to second place. I am able to seperate out the difference between playing a shrewd game and "liking" a HG. Both have outplayed the other HG by leaps and bounds, I give them that, but it doesn't mean I have to like them. I hope Lisa can have the insite that her alliance with Danni can take her just so far. I hope Amy can find the strengh to take what is coming this week with maturity. I hope Lisa and Amy can find a common bond. I am on the Amy/Lisa bandwagon, go girls! JMO  |
Groucho | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 11:29 am     It's not that lies are "right" or "wrong", "evil" or "part of the game". The thing is, in this game, lies can have consequences. Chiara's lies about her vote against Lisa caused Lisa to distrust her and Roddy. Jason's deception about his vote against Eric caused Chiara and Roddy to reevaluate him. Gerry's perceived betrayal of the "original six" turned him into an outcast. Josh's continual lies and deception turned the whole house against him -- even his original allies. I have no ethical problem with Dani breaking her word to Amy. I just wonder if it's good game play. If she can do it without repercussions, it's brilliant. If she turns Amy, Marc, and possibly others against her, then it's not so smart. |
Floresmama | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 11:43 am     No one but Jason was going to stick to the word they gave to Chiara last week. Then Josh opened his big mouth and stuck it to Marc one last time and made him cry then Danie and company decided that they need to get rid of Josh first and get Roddy on the next oportunity. They would have all(except Jason) lied to Chiapet last week if it hadn't been for Josh. |
Niceguy | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 11:44 am     Danielle's greatest strength is her patience and endurance. Even when votes did not go her way she did think ahead to the 'Plan B'. Her biggest boon lately was getting Lisa into her web of influence. Gerry saw Eric as such a big threat but Eric always played with his cards out in the open. Lisa is far more lethal. That one vote may have really cost him. Danielle knew she could never sway Eric, that's why he had to go. |
Bbrules4ever | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 11:57 am     I cant't WAIT for ROddy to push Danielle to actually "lose her temper". Danielle keeps saying..."you folks have not even seen me angry yet!".....if Roddy has any chance to stay ....probably his best bet is to get danielle to "fly off the handle" and seem unstable.......I have a feeling she is too smart to let that happen though. |
Costacat | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 11:57 am     Although I really detest the "poor pitiful me I need the money for my family" card that Danielle has played, I think she has played a better game. Roddy reminds me of someone who's drowning. You know how in cartoons the person out in the water goes under water with one finger up, then the next time it's two fingers, and the last and final time it's three fingers? Roddy's first "going down" was the loss of Eric. The second time was the loss of Josh (another male supporter). This third and final time will either be Roddy walking out the door, or the loss of his last supporter in the house, Chiara. I think Roddy's supercilious attitude was his downfall. He never thought anyone could outsmart or outplay him, let alone outlast him. (Hmmm... almost sounds like "Survivor!" <grin>) He never gave any of the houseguests any credit for strategic maneuverings of their own. His blindness to the D/J/L alliance now is proof. I cannot believe that HE thinks Lisa still thinks highly of Chiara. Personally, I would not like to see either of 'em win. But both are playing one heckuva game! And personally, I'd love to see Roddy walk out the door on Thursday. Chiara should go (for the same reasons Josh went -- because of the negative influence on the rest of the HGs). But I'd love to watch Chiara self-destruct when she's all alone in the house. |
Ravenest | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:49 pm     Eden, I agree with you totally. I know that lying is a common thing in the house. I just wish that if they were going to not keep their word, it would have been to Chiara instead of Amy. This game would also stay more interesting if Roddy stays, too. I am enjoying the power struggle between Dani & Roddy and I'm not ready for him to go yet. He, along with Dani, are the two people REALLY playing this game, IMO. |
Spunky | Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 06:53 pm     Once again, Danielle has to give up on her strategy to kick Roddy out. With Gerry's POV she is powerless and Roddy is the lucky one. Another round for Roddy.....Danielle down but not out. |
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