Archive through August 07, 2002
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Archive through August 07, 2002
Ryanc2002 | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:19 am     Amen What and Sanfran...I see the "poor Chiara" thing just like I see the "poor Jason" thing. She's an adult. |
Scorpiomoon | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:19 am     What555456: I totally agree with you! I like Roddy--I like watching him and I LOVE how he is playing this game. Who cares if he is "using" Chiara? In the context of the game, "all is fair..." While listening to the others moan and groan and try to outplay each other is getting tiresome, Roddy brings an element of excitement, humor and charisma to the game. |
What555456 | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:20 am     Of course, Chiara's most telling statement about why she is the way she is, I think, was her comment that her father will be upset because of the weight she has gained. How much could she have gained, 10 pounds? And he -- her father! -- is going to be upset about this. This comment spoke volumes to me about why this woman is the way she is. |
Scorpiomoon | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:21 am     Ryanc2002: I'd add to your comment, she's an adult and not a "victim". Nice to see you, Ryan! It seems like its been ages. |
Foodbunny | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:24 am     Ryn, but Roddy is a minority, a religious minority. And while people play the "Jason is a Christian and so everyone wants him to fail" card every time anyone says anything less than glowingly positive about him, I refrain from saying people only hate Roddy because he's an atheist and hates John Edwards. Just saying ;) |
Ryanc2002 | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:25 am     Scorpio - I've been slowly getting back in the last few days, check out the "24.95" thread for my marathon last night. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:25 am     What - I agree....every relationship is a two sided issue....Roddy can't be blamed for Chia's neediness. Yes, he could just dump her and make her cry on TV, but I just tend to think that he is simply finding himself in a very uncofmortable postition and doesn't know how to extricate himself. I must admit, in the past I have met people, gotten somewhat involved and only THEN did the true neediness and "fatal attraction factor" creep into it. It's a difficult position to be in....but not being locked up with that person, *I* could choose to end it, stop answering the phone if need be, whatever. Roddy and Chiara are in a whole different situation. It's a little like getting in a romance with a co-worker then having to break it off. It needs some finesse....the "big break up" scene won't play well in that situation (or in the BB house) Chia is not a victim. Roddy is not the evil manipulator of a naive girl....they both have a role in this fiasco. JMO |
Lurknomore | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:29 am     Goddess GREAT and well put points! I also have a few more to add. He reminds me of 2 television character legends. Half of him is a good looking Cliff Clavin, who doesn't always have his facts down straight but that doesn't slow him down. That doesn't bother me near as much as the other person he reminds me of...Archie Bunker. His mind is about as open as Archie's was. Whatever he believes in is right, whatever he doesn't clearly the other person is seeing it wrong. I can't think of one time he respectfully sat, listened to anyone else's perspective, and at least allowed for any legitimate points even if he didn't personally believe it. I was stuggling to think of a third character...someone very controlling and domineering. I could only come up with some obscure movie roles but you see my point. That is how I see him with Chiapet. I wouldn't stay with a guy that treated me that way for 5 minutes. (Of course there are no circumstances in this world in which you would find me behaving like her, but that my friends is another thread LOL). This isn't to say he isn't without his good qualities. Like I said eons ago here in a Josh bashing thread, I'm sure the man has a mix of good and bad personality traits. Most of us do. But for Roddy, I just don't care for how he is playing the game, nor is he personally my cup of tea. |
Lurknomore | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:33 am     Foodbunny your post came up after I read the thread through. I'd like to comment on something. I was one of the most vocal against Roddy's John Edward beliefs, as I'm a Spiritualist. But it wasn't WHAT he felt that irked me so. It was that he wouldn't allow for anyone else to have another viewpoint. Anyone who did was "stupid, a fool, no brains, misguided" and some other charming Roddy putdowns. I respect his right to believe differently than he does. What I didn't respect was his insults for those that believe in what he doesn't. |
Foodbunny | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:37 am     Lurknomore, I am not trying to accuse anyone of anything. I'm just saying that everyone has a "card" that could be played if we wanted to shut up haters by accusing them of bigotry. |
Earthmother | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:38 am     I don't think it matters why she is the way she is because by the same token he didn't have to hook up with her. If he is so all fired intelligent then he should have backed away from that one. You are right Ryn about the white hetro remark. IMO it should always be a people thing. If you were raised that you don't play with people's emotions then you aren't going to applaud the person you think is hitting below the belt. Do I think he's hitting below the belt, maybe but I also think if you don't protect yourself from the blow then you have no one to blame when you get knocked out but yourself. |
Ryanc2002 | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:44 am     Earthmother (insue pissing off ) He didn't have to, and in fact he probably shouldn't have, but he did, and he can't change that now. As for breaking it off with her, if he wants to have any chance of either winning the game or keeping her vote, he has to be smooth. |
What555456 | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:45 am     Earthmother, you are right -- Roddy should back away from her. Which is exactly what he is doing and many people are attacking him for it. The fact it took him a couple of weeks to see the real Chiara does not seem to me to be a long time. |
Earthmother | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:51 am     You are right Ryan (ohh I hate that)and What, they both made their beds and now it's too late to change the sheets. Early on in this game posters were questioning whether it was real or memorex and with vengence on Roddy's soul said if he was playing her they would hate him..So it doesn't surprise me that it's happening. |
Bmh | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:52 am     I hate Roddy..he is way to over-confident and cocky..and those kind of people really annoy me..and he thinks he can manipulate anyone and he is the smartest one in the house..he is just so full of himself You just gotta laugh..cuz Dani has been on to him since Tonya got evicted..she aint stupid..I cant wait until Roddy is weakened when Eric leaves..he will be scrambling to find a new game plan and re-group you just gotta love that...lol |
Ryanc2002 | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:55 am     BMH - You would be correct that he will be weakened when Eric leaves...unless Eric doesn't leave. |
What555456 | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:55 am     Bet he lands on his feet, BmH. |
Abigail1970 | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:00 pm     I think Roddy is awesome but sadly he will be giong very soon. He set himself up with his arrogance and stepping into a leadership position. But I'm hoping he pulls something out of his you know what.... |
Bmh | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:03 pm     Well he is good at that Abigail..so who knows |
Annie_Oakley | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:04 pm     When you have two groups of people in a fight or war against each other it is natural to want to choose sides. Have you ever watched a football game and not rooted for one of the teams? It's almost impossible to not lean one way or another. I think the reason that the boards(not just this one either) have swung to the side of Dani, Jason and Marc, is because they were very much unsure of how it was going to go down. What I mean is that Dani was always worried about what would happen, always planning for that next big thing. She was an underdog for awhile and that helps as well. On the other hand Roddy et all, once things started going their way, assumed he would be in the final four at least. They stopped really planning and started 'assuming' they had it in the bag. They allowed themselves to alienate people(like Gerry), and didn't look to the long view. That cockiness(Self confidence?) made them easier to root against. Kind of like the old fable about the Rabbit and the Turtle race. My point is that all the Chiara stuff aside, you never want the Rabbit to win. You might like the Rabbit, but deep down the turtle deserves the prize. Just my 75 cents, YMMV |
Duster4260 | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:10 pm     I don't like Roddy for one reason -- his over inflated sense of self-importance not only within this game but within the whole grand scheme of life. I would find myself walking away from his conversations as often as people want to walk away from Gerry. |
Wink | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:15 pm     Ryn I don't necessarily equate sense of humour with telling jokes or cute stories. I just meant lighten up, giggle, be playful in an honest way. I just don't see him stepping outside the box of his apparent superiority complex to just have some fun. And no need for anyone to mention to me that some others don't do that either. I'm just giving my opinion on why I don't find Roddy particulary engaging at this time, despite the fact that I have a more than passing interest in his physical appeal. |
Abigail1970 | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:15 pm     Annie - my thoughts exactly!! I like the way you put your thoughts together.. Roddy and pals didn't take into account that they can't win every HoH or POV competition. Things can still turn around and I hope they do, I want this game to be unpredictable that's what makes it interesting to watch! |
Tripwaste | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:17 pm     Young Mr. Rodderick is but a man, like any other man. If you cut him, he bleeds. Of any houseguest ever (aside from Cassandra from BBI), young Rodderick may be the most worldly of the inmates to come down the pike. Whether he came from blueblood or blue collar, all young men must strive to cut enough cloth with which to cloak themselves, to carve out a niche in the the world. Young master Rodderick is merely following his programming, to succeed. Ain't no crime ... yet. A young writer, screenplays, options, spec ... just doing this to make a living so he can one day bang out the Great American Novel. However, young Rodderick has chosen to place himself in a modern reality gameshow. One that exposes human foible, folly, vanity and valor in raw view. Perhaps what rankles the critical mass of feed viewers _ (Rodderick has been played fairly neutral on the TV, yes?) _ who get to see his every household/barroom/hottub/bathtub discourse, is that Rodderick could be `better' than he plays himself. He's not ignorant, obviously has the intellegience; he's not a fern. Rodderick probably sees himself as a `good guy' and he probably is to some degree. However, in relation to the hardworking Dani and the virtuous Jason, Rodderick slides down the scale. He didn't even have to recruit his own crew. It came to him. The other young bucks rally around the big buck. The young gals in estrus gravitate towards the Alpha Bit males. Chill Town need not pronounce itself chill. It's just standard gene pool programming. Hence, master Rodderick is alpha dude by decree. It happens ... then you live. He didn't necessarily ask for the title any more than young Prince William did. Yet here he is. However, given power, master Rodderick does not empower. He divides, to conquer. He does not lift the underdog. For he considers himself an underdog. And therein lies the crux. Power and a sense of entitlement: "I'm the best man here, not to forget the mostest sharpest smartest, therefore I shall win!" It's the way of the world all over. Rodderick is an OVERdog who yaps and barks all day long. Is it any wonder that people get turned off by that? |
Firstsnadra1 | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:27 pm     Wink, you weren't amused by last week's show? Duck Ball? Bronx talk? goofing around with Eric? I thought all those things were pretty darn funny! |
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