Dani just told Lisa about Chiara's vote!!
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Max

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Damn! I missed it! If only I never had to work. :) oh well, at least I got to see the Mar/Amy blow-up. Sounds like this was even better, though. Hope it progresses today. Thanks for all the reports!

Pesto

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
With Eric out of the way, Lisa has a real chance to start playing this game. She should realize that the knowledge she has about D/M and R/K regarding this week's vote is powerful stuff (to be saved after KiKi loses HoH) Unfortunately, nothing Lisa has done in the house makes me think that she'll be able to pull off an acting job to fake Rod and Ki. I think it is more likely that she will confront KiKi separately, then KiKi will go to her Puppetmaster and spill all. Rod is able to convince K of ANYTHING, so if he gets wind of D and M's talk with Lisa, they will be targetted.

I can hear R now: "KiKi, you should put Dan and Josh up, Josh will definetely go out then..." and then work thru the week to screw D.

Good thread y'all!

Wendo

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 08:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Pesto, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Lisa will be able to not confront Chi for at least 24 hours. By then, nominations will have already happened today. Then, Dan would only have to wait until PoV to feel relatively safe, especially if it's one of her allies that gets it.

Maris

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 08:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have said it before and I will say it again, everyone is underestimating Lisa. She has managed to get this far without people knowing what she is thinking. She will bide her time because it is in her interest. She will work very hard next week to get the HOH and will put Roddy and Chia up. In the meantime she will just be very quiet, pleasant to all and will not show her cards.

Spunky

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Come to think of it, I wished Gerry said:
(After Julie asked him to break the tie)
"...well, geez, thanks Chiara for making my job easier.... I vote to evict Eric". (This not only because she didn't use the Veto but also is a subtle way to tell everyone Chiara voted for Lisa). (I'm sure he knew).
So, Danielle didn't have to.
I'm still surprised Lisa needed to be told, if Jason, Marc and Dani told her, why couldn't she figure out Chiara, Roddy and Josh were the ones who voted for her?
Oh well, now she knows for sure!
She should stop showing her resentment towards Chiara, actually she should stop showing any emotions whatsoever. She has to play it neutral and she'll be okay.

Jaysgal

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No, Maris, I do not think that Lisa is that smart. She can be ruthless, but she doesn't do the thinking by herself. She just enforces what her advisors tell her to.

I think if she were smart, she would know better than to shift her loyalty and be all trusting of Danielle and Marcellas. An intellgient woman would think first that if I have been truly screwed by my alliance, then how can I trust this other people? What could their motives be? What about Gerry who caused my alliance to have to decide between two of its members? Could this two people who seem to have a pact have been behind Gerry's decision?

Those are the kinds of questions/brainstorming that an intelligent woman does. She would also have considered the fact that Chiara approached her before Danielle came doing the gossip. Chiara has the power now but still cared to tell Lisa before anyone else told her that she had voted the way she did because of what she was told Lisa had said about her [Chiara].

I would hope I am underestimating Lisa, but I'm afraid she isn't that smart. I would love to believe that she's playing Danielle's group and will use the information to her advantage by passing it back to Chiara (just in case she is not comfortable telling Roddy and so that Chiara does not feel envious or threatened), which would renew Chaira's trust of Lisa. But I'm afraid that Lisa doesn't think of the long-term effect. She certainly didn't think about it when she refused to put Josh up, despite the conversation she overheard him have with someone else.

Willwillbee

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1MAG - I don't think the returning HG will have any effect on this weeks noms. I bet they won't know exactly who til Thurs live show.

Cathie

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As far as the post-BB future of Lisa and Chiara's relationship I think when Lisa watches the tapes of the show and sees the comments Chiara repeatedly made about her she will have more reason than she does now to not want anything to do with her. If I were Lisa those comments would bite more than the vote itself.

Keiffer

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The only screw up by Danny last night was telling Lisa that she would have put Chiara and ROddy up if she had won HoH. Now Lisa knows that Marcy, Danny, and Jman are very tight, that they too want all the couples out, and that Jman is not with ROddy but with Danny.

That makes a 3 person alliance against a 3 person alliance with Josh and gerry stuck in the middle. IF she chooses to share the info with Chiara and Roddy it could be a bit of trouble for danny's group. Even if none of them get nomminated if any of other HG besides those three get Veto it could still get changed.

Either way I do think that Danny played her hand early, and should have waited at least until after nomminations.

Earthmother

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
First of all no one knows what Lisa is going to do so you can't assume she has switched sides so quickly. Secondly is anyone else sick of "It's Josh's fault?" Did Josh make Chiara turn on Lisa? Roddy is the one who turned her head and that's HER FAULT!!! I never can understand how people can justify ones own behavior and not expect them to take responsibility for it. So what she may have screwed up and didn't listen to herself, but listened to her man, she is still entirely responsibe for her decisions.

Keiffer

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
BTW, I still think that with at lesat two weeks together that with CHiara and Lisa hanging out sunbathing, talking, and what not that eventually Lisa and Chiara will get past this. In the end it didn't cost Lisa getting kicked out, and in the end her and CHiara still have the most in common with each other than other HG's.

Lisa is very sweet, and she will vote and nomminate how she views her best interest to be at the time.... lots and lots an lots of things will happen over two weeks for this to not seem as important as it does today.

Cathie

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Earthmother, I think all Josh did was help Chiara rationalize what she was already leaning toward doing...

Mystery

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If I were Dani I would've waited till closer to voting time to tell Lisa, so that her anger would still be fresh. I'm afraid that either she won't be able to keep her feelings hidden from Chiara and Roddy, thus losing the element of surprise, or that she'll allow them to talk their way back into her good graces.

Earthmother

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's good that she knows because Lisa is now going to watch Chiara more closely in negative ways. This of course helps Dani because while Lisa is on Chiara patrol Dani can work behind her and Lisa won't be paying attention to her.

Ddr1135

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Another thing to consider......now that Eric is out the house, if Roddy pays Lisa ANY type of attention, Chiara's jealousy and insecurities will come out. Will Master Roddy use this to his advantage?

Earthmother

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know Ddr1135, he's got a sure bet with Chiara. He may have done himself in by being locked up too quickly. He may have been smarter to cajole her by keeping Amy and convincing her that he could get her on their side and not to get emotional over it. I think he could have convinced her of anything, but instead played into her jealousy.

Pesto

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, I agree that 24 hour time lapse will do a world of good. I think that Keiffer has a point though about Lisa eventually getting over Kiara's back stab (i see this happening also), but the jury is still out on whether she is ready to think and play the game. It could just be that she acted blindly because she got caught up with having a boyfriend and being with the couples ("the good people"). Without him in the house, she may and should put her guard up and get real crafty. (I hope so).

I still think Mars is the wild card and holds everything together for D and Ja.

If Mars adopts Lisa as his new "Amy", spends more time with her, keeps sleeping with her in the big bed, then that will help to keep her isolated/mad at K and R through this week. At the same time, he could sprinkle little tidbits to L about Ja and D (e.g., "doesn't D make you feel uncomfortable about needing the $$?).

To me, Roddy is a masterful manipulator, but he clearly doesn't and hasn't seen the big picture as well as Ja, D, Mar, and even Gerry. K will be his downfall...

Ddr1135.. what a great thought!