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What555456

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why are all of you so down on Roddy? Yea, he is scheming and lying and manipulating. He supports one person this week and then when things change he supports another. He will do what he has to do to win.

But so will everyone else -- and they have.

Roddy and Dani are the two leaders in this game. The others just do what they are told. You all think what Dani is doing is good game playing. But with Roddy, you find it nasty. Why?

I know you all think he is using Chiara and is mean to her because he does not put up with her silly codependent routine. But isn't she using him to to salve her lack of self esteem? She could tell him to take a hike, but she doesn't. If he is using her it is because she wants/needs to be used because of whatever insecurities she has. Why blame him because she is so needy and has to latch on to someone and it annoys him at times?

I do not particularly like Roddy. But then, I don't particularly like any of these people. However, I do not see him as doing anything more than any of the others -- just he is more aggressive about it.

To me, the winner of the game should be the one who played it the best -- and right now, to me, that is a toss up between Roddy and Dani. The rest are just followers -- at least so far.

Keiffer

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Man have you opened yourself up. Let me tell you as one with huge experience when it comes to this. If you stick up for, or try to argure the virtues of any couple member you are about to get hammered. Just like last year the board in general has decided that they dislike the younger better looking couples, or in people. There are lots of reasons this could be happening again, and I wont go into it becuase then I would be accused of terrible things.

Suffice to say if you are young, single, decent looking, never been married, don't have children, weren't in the first alliance made, or if you hook up you are going to be portrayed as evil, and be rooted against the whole season. That is of course unless you win, in which case (Will) you will become funny, charming, and a good player.

Earthmother

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess it has something to do with using others. I think if Roddy were doing the manipulating of Josh and Eric the same way Dani is using Marc and Jason most would not have a complaint. The fact that he is using the love of a young, needy woman gets in people's craw. IMO when you prey on the weakness of someone by intimating that they have a future together and the other person falls for it hook, line and sinker it makes people angry. Society accepts lying and cheating to play a game, but draws the line when it truly seems to be hurting someone and I think many feel Chiara is being taken advantage of as a woman rather than being played like a contestant. I think if Chiara were playing her game too there would be less ire of Roddy. Even though I feel she is a grown woman and should know better, I also many times cringe when I hear him speak to her in such a condescending way knowing how she's playing this game with her heart and not her head.

Indybarb

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
so true, earthmother... i think another thing is that last year Will made a POINT of saying what a player he was and how he was lying to everyone! he made it funny.....roddy is just hurtful and thinks he is better than anyone else with his education... and he goes on and on and on (sort of like i guess i am doing..lol)

Abigail1970

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Everyone hated Will almost through out the whole BB2 up until the end. It's the same thing here. People get caught up in the he's mean and nasty but she is so good and pure syndrome.

They are all playing a game and manipulating each other to make it to the end and win MONEY. There is no better way to do it, it is all done the same way, lying, manipulating, distorting the truth, whatever you want to call it. Dani, Jason, Josh, Gerry, Lisa, Chiara, Roddy, Eric and Marcellus are ALL doing it, some are just doing it better than others.

And on the Chiara comment, if Chiara is stupid enough to do whatever Roddy says then she deserves to lose. She is a grown women and has a mind of her own she just chooses not to use it.

I actually like all of these guys for some reason or another. And wouldn't have a problem with any of them winning at then end. But that's just me.

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy makes me crazy because noone in the house challenges him on the constant stream of horsecrap he throws out there for popular consumption. I haven't figured out whether he believes what he's saying, or he's making things up to amuse himself. Either way, it's probably less Roddy's personality than the failure of the locals to bring it into check that makes me dislike him. And Chiara is perfect target practice for him. I think I'd warm up to him a bit if Chiara were out of the house. Or if I'm given the chance to enter the house and smack him around verbally for a bit. Until either the former or latter occurs, he's going to continue to make me unhappy.

Buzzelda

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Will, for all his faults, was never disloyal to Shannon. Even after she left, whenever Nicole mentioned Shannon, Will spoke of her with respect.
In fact, through all his promises and betrayals of Hardy and Nicole, he treated them with respect.
Will was playing the game, but retained his good manners. Roddy also is playing the game, but as the arrogant misogynist he truly is.

Earthmother

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Chiara made her bed so to speak, but the question is why people dislike Roddy. Because he is seen as preying on the emotionally defensless. I think many people here have been in relationships where they have been taken advantage in the same way and find it hard to seperate the two facets of game vs relationship.
I have never been this type of needy woman and too find it hard to accept her complacency. If he came out and told her she was a weak, needy, and easily controlled woman even those who dislike her would be angry, but isn't he really already doing this without the full frontal attack?

Ark

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother pretty much summed it up, plus, Roddy appears to think that he is better than everyone else and that really rubs me the wrong way. He's too much like Boogie.

Keiffer, as far as I'm concerned, you're way off base. Eric isn't my favorite person but at least I can stand him and I actually like Lisa. My dislike of Roddy has nothing to do with his age, the fact that he's part of a couple or that he's part of what you think is the "in crowd". It has to do with his personality. Anyone that pretends affection for their own personal gain is pretty low, as far as I'm concerned.

Buzzelda

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 08:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother, you hit the nail on the head. It just seems unfair to take advantage of anyone as needy as Chiara, even if she participates in her own victimization. But, in addition to this, it is easy to despise Roddy, because he is arrogant with all the HGs and he is a know-it-all. Roddy just seems to have every character defect necessary for us to dislike him!

Maris

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 08:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I look at Roddy and see a fool. This is the sort of guy you meet at a cocktail party, roll your eyes, make your excuse that you have to talk to the waiter and run for the hills.

He is the sort of guy you just love to see fall flat on his face, he is so sure that his machinations will all go according to plan and even as things start to fall apart, in his arrogance he just can't see it. The difference between he and Dani is that Dani can adapt to what is going on around her and change her strategy. Roddy will play his strategy right out the door.

As far as the Will comparison, yes everyone hated him but there was also this other aspect of loving to watch him in action. Watching the HG's come back for more as he reeled them in. They would say I cant trust you Will. Will would respond you are right don't trust me... I am evil. They would still hold out hope that Will could be trusted for this one thing and bang they are out the door. Will was Funny and the most important thing Will could laugh at himself. Roddy takes himself way too seriously.

Earthmother

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 08:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Who dislikes anyone because of their age? Jason is in that same age group and I haven't heard anyone who dislikes his behavior. Other than Gerry they are all pretty close in age. Bottom line in plain english. Roddy behaves like a blowhard and treats Chiara like (as someone else said recently) gum on the bottom of his shoe. What's not to like..lol

Nutsy

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 08:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's not that I dislike Roddy, but as Goddessatlaw so eloquently stated - his verbal diarrhea gets to me. Shut up already! He needs to develop some listening skills imho.

Abigail1970

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ugh, I am trying not to get all riled up... Deep breath, count to ten..

Okay, Chiara is her own person and can make her own decisions. It's not like Roddy is taking advantaged of someone who is mentally challenged. I don't think he is taking advantage of her at all. She voted differently than Roddy TWO times out of the THREE evictions thus far. How is he controlling her then?

Yes, Roddy is very arrogant and needs to be knocked down a peg or two but so far I haven't seen anyone step up to the plate. But when they do I will cheer just as loud as the Roddy haters here.

Sanfranjoshfan

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Roddy. As far as him preying on needy Chiara...it sort of seemed to me that Chiara started it....SHE was all over HIM like a bad suit and now he's stuck in there with her! :-) I don't see him as being any more manipulative than Dani or Jason or Josh....he's just not as subtle as Jason and not as blatant as Josh. Clearly, he is intelligent....you can't blame him for feeling more intelligent than a group of people that are more concerned with popping zits and talking about sex than social issues or existential angst. As far as feeling "better" than anyone else....I don't remember RODDY referring to himself as one of the "good people"...

I, too, don't truly despise any of the HG this year. I could certainly do without Josh's whining and lying (and Lori did really get on my nerves)...but as for the rest of them....anyone of them could win and I wouldn't be upset.

The difference for me this year is that even though last year Will played the game and said he was going to lie....he was still part of CT, and that group did consider themselves above the rest...I remember them referring to the others as "stupid", laughing at them behind their backs in a truly mean spiritied way. Their indignation at being nominated by the "extras" in the house was really laughable. I don't see this group of couples (or Roddy in particular) anywhere near that bad. They just don't have that supremely arrogant sense of entitlement that CT did.

Bottom line...it IS all just a game and the name of the game is strategy, not "being nice". Like in chess, you must misdirect your opponent so you can eliminate their main pieces in a surprise attack. Lying is part of the game. Can you imagine how completely BORING this would be if nobody plotted, strategized, and lied? (Think BB1....the lovefest.) Yes, I really liked BB1 but it DID get boring at times.

Oh yeah.....all this is subject to change as I all get to know them better. I was a staunch supporter of Hardy last year until it came to a point that I totally turned against him and wanted to see him fall. Likewise in BB1, I liked George until a point came when I actually spent $20 on phone calls to evict him! LOL

Sanfranjoshfan

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 08:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh yeah...one more thing. Even though I like Roddy, I would still love to see him with a shocked look on his face when his plans fall apart! I wouldn't mind seeing him taken down a peg....but the same goes for everyone else. (except maybe for Dani and Jason....I'm hoping to see them slip past the pack, just for the sheer joy of seeing their finesse surprise the crap out of the rest!)

Jaydubzz

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Right on, Ark ~ the "you don't like them because they're young, hip & pretty" routine is SO weak...

Earthmother

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 08:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfranjoshfan, I agree she asks for it and Roddy is paying for it. I'm not defending or agreeing with any of the behaviors only saying why I think he's found so distasteful by many of the fans.
I'm dating myself here, bit he's become the Simon Lagree(sp, cold hearted, manipulating, vulture) and she has become the Nell (simple, clueless) who thinks maybe this time he won't tie her to the railroad tracks so goes with him.

Goddess146

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have said it before, but the thread got deleted, so here it is again:

It is Roddy's propensity for pedantic pontification that bugs me.

Wink

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Roddy just needs to make room in that pseudo-intellectual crap filled brain of his for a sense of humour. I have seen zip, zero, nada evidence of any light-heartedness in him at all.

What555456

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran

Your view of this is much like mine. If people do not like Roddy's personality and therefore want him out or embarrassed, that is fine. I enjoy seeing each of them in difficult situations and would like to see Roddy in the same. It makes great TV.

I guess what bothers me is all the sniping at him because of how he treats Chiara -- but maybe I am viewing this from a guy's perspective. He has no responsibility in this house to worry about some fragile woman's self esteem or to treat her in a certain way because she might be hurt.

Yes, he connected with her early on some level and found her fun and enjoyable. But as he got to know her better and her insecurities, neediness, and possessiveness increased, he has every right to try and distance himself from her. Hell, he's only know her a few weeks; why should he have seen every aspect of her personality at the beginning? The fact he has not laid into her and devastated her is to his credit, I think. He seems to be trying to separate himself from her clutches carefully.

He is, of course, making the mistake most men make with women like Chiara. It does not matter how he makes the separation. She is so needy and fell in love so fast, no matter how he does it -- in one fell swoop or more gently over time -- she is going to be deeply hurt, angry and depressed. But she will react this way not because of what he did, but because of what she did in creating a fantasy in her mind about her relationship with Roddy. (I wonder how many other men she dated she has developed similar fantasies about!)

Chiara has the problem, not Roddy. She has treated this time in the house as if it were real life with people who are open and honest. Where she got this idea, I don't know. Roddy knows it is a game and wants to play it, not spend his time tending the sensitive feelings of some girl who has not grown emotionally past 14 yo.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out -- but in the end, she has set herself up to be deeply hurt and she will be. It is just a matter of time. And I don't see it as Roddy's fault, even if he is the cause of it.

Foodbunny

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What, it's not just a guy's perspective. I'm female and feel pretty much the exact same about the whole stupid mess. Cripes, one month and she's talking about marriage and kids? I've been living with my boyfriend for a year and a half and it's not even an issue yet. I see Chiara as a needy emotional leech and Roddy as someone who's getting ticked off at having to play around it.

Ryn

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He's made lots of jokes Wink

I recall a story he told about taking his grandfather back to Ireland and how special he thought it was going to be to take him to the village where his ancestors came from, everyone was makign such a big deal about it (roddy & family), they get to a sign outside the village, grandpa goes and stands by it, they snap a picture, now they excpect him to get all weepy, instead gradpa just says something like, "ok, lets get to that golf course!!"

When Roddy told it it was humorous.

Why is everyone down on Roddy??

To me its simple, Lori, Tonya and Amy are gone (less people to pick apart), Roddy was HoH last week and he is on the 'team' that is seen by the majority as the "bad guys" and he seems to be the head honcho, so its natural to start picking him apart.

Next week it will be someone else, its the nature of this show.

One day soon the mood will swing back to picking apart Marcel, or Danielle, or Gerry.

Also, IMHO its 'safer' to pick apart Roddy because he is a white heterosexual male.

Saying that might start a heated debate, but its not meant to, I simply mean that if he were a minority, or homosexual, some people might claim that the slams against him were otherwise motivated, even when they weren't.

Make sense?

Ryn

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As for the Chiara issue....

Roddy likes (liked?) her, he might be having lots of second thoughts now, but what is he supposed to do? Tick her off? He is there to win a game and he is smart enough to know that if he tells Chiara too bluntly to cool it a bit she might get ticked off at him and turn against him.

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey, looks like most of us right thinking, God-fearing, freedom-loving Indiana folk have spoken and been accounted for on this thread. Is Woodpecker the only one of us working today? PS all the rest of you guys should believe us, because were raised right.