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Vancouvergirl | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 06:59 pm     Sanfran: I like your point about "intent". That is a very good point. Like when Josh out and out told Chiara that "Lisa hates her." He totally lied. So if he has any religious or moral beliefs he would know that lying is wrong and he would try to avoid lying to win, like Jason. But perhpas Josh doesn't take his faith seriously. I mean calling Gerry a "nazi" was pretty rude, even if he was joking, and who is he to judge? I think Jason is a very strong man to keep his judgements and thoughts to himself. Good for him. Does anyone Remember - I think his name was "Ely" - who was the one of the final 2 on Survivor 2. He was up against Tina Wesson and lost. From the beginning of the game his whole intent was to play the game honestly with his integrity intact and to see how far he could get in the game by not compromising his morals. I was really impressed with him and wished he had won. I compare him and Jason. And with Vecepia praying to win - I seriously wonder how much of her winnings on Survivor did she donate to charity or give to her church. And in that case, I wonder if Jason has any "intentions" of donating any of his winnings to a "good cause" or charity. Christianity is such a weird topic of debate and I guess no one will ever know the ultimate truth until we all pass from this earth. I think christianity and faith has a lot to do with "inside the house" because it was the producers and execs who made sure that we were aware of his beliefs. Like all firefighters will be rooting for Eric, so perhaps the producers figure that all christians will root for and relate to Jason. They are certainly aware of the cult following and fan fare that each HG receives. JMO |
Maris | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:02 pm     Personally, I think they should have brought a muslim in who would have been able to advocate evicting all the infidels without compromising their religious beliefs. |
Blinky | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:09 pm     Maris why do you say that? |
Loppes | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:14 pm     Maris, Words of advice, reading the Q'oran and watching BB3 feeds on a Saturday evening doesn't necssarily mean they are infidels. Maybe idiots, but not infidels. Lon |
Goddessatlaw | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:19 pm     Maris - putting Catholics in there would work. All we have to do is be heartly sorry, confess and do penance later, and we can lie all we want. I could do some time on my knees for 500 grand. |
Loppes | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:24 pm     Goddess, I will light a candle for you. I like your idea. Lon |
Maris | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:25 pm     yes Goddess and if you do anything really bad, your bishop can ship you out of the country and pay your legal bills. ok, the next BB4 will consist of the following: One Orthodox Jew One Reformed Jew One Catholic One Jehovahs One Bah'ai One Muslim One Athiest One Lutheran One Hindu One Buddhist One Episcopalian One existentialist just for fun. Mealtimes would be great!!!!!!!!!!! |
Cajunrambler | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:27 pm     Maris, They tried that with Will Mega in BB1 and he got the boot the first eviction. Goddessatlaw, Chiara is a professing Catholic. The nuns would be washing her mouth with soap on an hourly basis. |
Ellenkats | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:27 pm     Maris -- mealtimes would stink -- too many prayers, chants, and blessings to get through -- the food would be cold. :-) |
Maris | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:28 pm     I forgot to add there would be a Cooldown Zen room. |
Ellenkats | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:29 pm     Cajun-- maybe they did and this is her rebellion. She shocks me, and I thought I was unshockable! |
Goddessatlaw | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:29 pm     LMAO, MARIS!! Hell, if my Bishop took my confession, I'd be excommunicated in a heartbeat. Right after the failed attempt at exorcism. |
Draheid | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:31 pm     Sheesh, and all this time I thought Lawyers weren't allowed to participate in organized religion?!?! |
Goddessatlaw | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:32 pm     Ellen - "Praise the Lord and Pass the Potatoes" always works in my family - I'd be done eating (WITH my left hand) before anyone else even started. |
Goddessatlaw | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:33 pm     It gets worse, Draheid - I divorce people. I avoid our priests at all costs, in case they start asking whether I'm divorcing Catholics. Big no-no. |
Kapow | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:33 pm     My 2 cents.... I visited a southern baptist church last weekend - this was the third time I had been to this church. I was raised presbyterian, but after taking Astronomy and Theology in college gave up almost all religion. Ten years ago, Astronomy class showed me that the universe is much bigger than we. Theology seemed to show me how small minded religion is at times. My trips to the southern baptist church aslo showed me some small mindedness (the sermon was about how you have to stay married unless adultery is present - forget abuse, etc - adultery seemed to be the only reason to seek divorce. But I also some saw some examples of faith. Some people were so moved to raise their hands and say amen. I am not trying to say that any of this is right or wrong - it is not my place to judge that. Ultimately, people get comfort in what they believe to be right. Might be god, might be happiness, might be about anything. Whatever works is how I feel. As far as the game goes, Jason and Dani believe their faith is helping them through. Great for them. It probably is for them. Just as Josh's faith helps him to deflect responsibility for his behavior. Everyone needs something to believe in, even if others view it as fallacious. This is why people came to America in teh first place - religious freedom. Enough rambling! This is just my humble opinion. Feel free to ignore capriciously! |
Goddess146 | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:34 pm     Maris, I think a Tantra Yoga Master would be interesting. |
Maris | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:35 pm     all I can remember was "mumble, mumble mumble, our lord amen"then pass the potatoes |
Sanfranjoshfan | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:38 pm     "So if he has any religious or moral beliefs he would know that lying is wrong and he would try to avoid lying to win, like Jason." Religious and moral beliefs are not the same thing. Osama Bin Laden has "religious and moral beliefs", but in *my* atheistic view, he has no morals whatsoever. It's ALL opinion and points of view. "Christianity is such a weird topic of debate and I guess no one will ever know the ultimate truth until we all pass from this earth." I do not believe that's true....you are assuming that we will all know when "we pass from this earth".... I disagree. If we pass from this life into nothingness, then we will know nothing. We would have no consciousness to be aware of anything at all. You assume that we will "know" at that point, because you are *of the opinion* that we would have a consciousness after death. I do not accept that. None of this will ever be proven one way or another. "Christianity" in the house means nothing, really. Being a good person, whether one is Christian, Hindu, Quaker, or pagan isn't what "having morals" is based upon. It's the way you treat others and the intent you have behind your actions. Jason's "Christianity" is not what defines him as moral ....it's his actions that say who he is. He could sit there and pray all day and ignore everyone who said anything off color and shun them, and in some eyes, that would make him a "good christian" but it would not make him a loving person. Again.....I don't believe that one's religios label has anything to do with one's goodness of nature. There are atheisits that are just as loving and good as Jason. |
Goddessatlaw | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:39 pm     Anyway, I'll let you guys do what you do here - I never argue or discuss religion unless it's my own. To each his own, and whatever works, I say. Lead a good life and you're on your way. Peace. |
Kapow | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:42 pm     Sanfran - excellent post. Morality is about humanity, not religion. Osama bin Laden has plenty of religious conviction. Morality? I think not. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:46 pm     Kapow - Well said! "Ultimately, people get comfort in what they believe to be right. " I totally agree....I just get a little frustrated with those who get comfort from trying to convert me from what gives ME comfort.....to that which gives THEM comfort. <Did that make sense?> |
Kapow | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:52 pm     Perfect sense Sanfran. I agree with your statement about frustration with people trying to convert you from what makes you comfortable to what makes them comfortable. If I was Southern Baptist, I would give you an AMEN! Since I am not, I say Cool, Thanks. It's all the same. |
Costacat | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:16 am     Not to get into a huge giant discussion about this, but what irks me most about some Christians is the self-righteousness. I was just reading the LFP post for 10:30ish this morning: d - R is the devil g - cause he hasnt' got God... g talking about R being so scientific g - R is agnostic d - he grew up in the church, sang in choir...you have to have faith in something, when you go through something horrible and you don't have faith, how do you get through it? ... OK, first of all, I don't know how facetious Gerry was being saying it's cause he hasn't got God. But for pete's sake, Danielle, I've been thru horrible things in my life and I don't believe in God. Both of them are pissing me off as much as the self-righteous Vecepia did on Survivor. Jason, at least, simply lives and let live. And doesn't judge people (at least obviously) based on someone's beliefs. Criminy, I just royally ticked! Can you tell? OK... BIGGGGGG deeeeeeeeeeep breath! |
Battlestar | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:31 am     I wonder if Josh's religion has any basis on how Dani feels about him. ---she decided early on (in DR conversations) that Jason was her man because of his faith |
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