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Piratesbay

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mrose, it was out of synch with the live feeds, but the point that I tried to make (and obviously failed) was that when she was that after she won the POV she quickly met with R in the HRD and discussed saving Lisa. Rodney convinced her that if she did, she would lose him because he would be nominated. Up to that moment she always presented herself on the feeds as being close to Lisa, even closer than she was to Dani.

She even made a quasi-alliance with Dani and Lisa after Tonya was evicted that the girls had to stick together. It sure didn't look like she remembered that.

I honestly believe after seeing her behavior that if Roddy told her to save the devil, she'd find a way to make it explainable in her mind. She's too easily swayed.

Even Roddy doesn't trust her. He sees how she switched her allegiance. Do you believe he respects her for that? He even told Jason that Jason was the only one in the house he really trusted. It told much more about his own opinion of Chiara than it did about his relationship with Jason.

She can sway with the wind, and right now Roddy is the wind. If Chiara used the POV and saved Lisa, Jerry would have put up Josh before he put up Roddy. (At least, that's what I would expect Roddy to think, since he made that deal last week with Gerry.) R needs Josh in the house. He can't count on Lisa's allegiance. He can count on Josh's for some unworldly reason...

Of course, this isn't fair, and it is merely a simple pirate's opinion...muddled through the years by eating way too much cobbled coot that was overdone...stringy stuff...

Curlyq

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The annoying comment came on Saturday night (it's in the 7:05pm LFP). Maybe they edited two conversations to look like one?

Bmh

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Keiffer..that is basically what is gonna happen for tomrrow..I cant wait!..

Eric will be gone and Roddy will be proven wrong!..Lisa will stay..and seek revenge..and team up with D/J/M hopefully lol

Piratesbay

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddessatlaw, I feel much safer as a citizen of this fair world that you spent your legal expertise today looking up precedents on cobbling coot. What a weight that lifted off my shoulders!

Keiffer

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well Pirate perhaps it is hard to see thing how they might because we have the bennifit of all the info.

Turns out that Chiara made the right choice with our knowledge because:

#1 Danny is not "with" the girls and only wants them around because she can mannipulate them easier than others. She never was with the girls.

#2 Roddy would have been put up by Gerry, and she knew for sure that Gerry was not putting up Josh, and since they tried for two days to move Gerry to that, and he hadn't committed she knew what she risked losing.

3# ROddy can trust her more now than before because he will lose his #1 friend in Eric, and she did decide to keep him instead of saving Lisa.

Zeyna

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder whether the same comments will one day be made about Dani when she votes to evict Chiara - or will her move be explained by other alliances? Seeing as they are both girls and "close", would everyone think that Dani is betraying Chiara as they now think Chiara is betraying Lisa?
Most people here have biases based on who they like, and will justify behavior accordingly.

Suitsmefine

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 08:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
D**N STRAIGHT, Zeyna. We all have our fav and just because we can't agree doesn't mean we have behave like children on the playground... so if you don't agree with us having our own opinions,Pirate..."I'm telling!!, Moderator !!!Pirate is picking on us!!!"

Piratesbay

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey, Suits, we're on the same side! I was defending my right to disagree when I was told I was being unfair by disagreeing. Go pick on someone else before I make ye swab the deck...

Bmh

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Zenya I cant really agree with you..because Dani was never really part of the girls alliance she never agreed to it chiara just assumed she was part of it..so I would not start trashing Dani for voting out Chi..I do argue that Chi votes out Lisa because they actually had a pact and in my book your word in your word..Chiara betrayed Lisa and that is all there is too it

Costacat

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
To add more fuel to the fire... making a blatant statement without prefacing it with "I think" or "In my opinion" is, in my opinion, pretty rude. Unless you can back something up with fact, your opinion is just that.

Kieffer, you wrote:
"Turns out that Chiara made the right choice with our knowledge because: [blahblahblah]"

I don't think Chiara made the right choice at all! I think Chiara just proved how little she thinks for herself. I think, when later on there will be only two women, that the fem alliance will dissolve on it's own.

It's YOUR opinion that Chiara made the right decision. It is MY RIGHT to disagree with you.

Foodbunny

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Costacat, I agree that it's pretty fustrating when people state their opinions as fact but it happens all the time. Witness all the Roddy haters talking about how he's a woman hater and abuses everyone he's been in a relationship in. That's something that's going to continue whether we like it or not, we can just choose how we react to it.

Bmh

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You..have no proof that it is wrong..or right..so dont act like all the Roddy haters are completely wrong..your kind of being a hypocrite now

Earthmother

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What did I miss? When did Chiara ever make a decision? I have to quit going to be so early!!!

Bmh

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
lol Earthmother you crack me up..you are so funny! :)

Abigail1970

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Right one Foodbunny! Sometimes it is just better to let things go.

No one on this board can state facts about the HGs because they don't KNOW them. They can only make assumptions based on SOME behavior they have witnessed. Not a fair way to make accurate judgements.

But it is fun to speculate except when people feel it necessary to MAKE you change your opinion. To each his own folks!! That's what makes the world a better place.

I think Chiara made the right decision. And I look forward to finding out!

Bernie

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<"They can only make assumptions based on SOME behaviour they have witnessed. Not a fair way to make accurate judgments">
I'm sorry Abigail, but the behaviour of others is the ONLY way we can make judgements about them, and we all do it every day, in every situation.
We can't know what is inside any one else's head or heart, unless or until we all develop telepathic powers, so we judge on what others do or say-neither of which may be accurate reflections of what's inside, but what else have we got?
Perhaps it's a distorting mirror, but it is a reflection of the truth of any person's emotions, ethics, and personality, inside the house or out of it.

Abigail1970

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But Bernie, you are only seeing these folks when BB wants you too. Even with the live feeds. You are getting snippets of a person and you really feel that you can make 'good' judgements based on that?

I politely disagree, I don't think any of us can truly know these HGs unless we knew them prior to going into the BB house.

Eden

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, one reason people feel Chiara is betraying Lisa is because initially she said that she wanted to save her. She didn't think Lisa was "annoying" etc. till Roddy told her he might be nominated in Lisa's place. Then Chiara's feelings about Lisa began to sour suddenly. Last night she was moaning and repeating "this isn't me". Now she is so guilt ridden by what she's done she says she can't look Lisa in the face. That's the kind of feeling you get when you know you've betrayed yourself as well as someone else.

Believe me, when it's time for Danielle to vote out Chiara she'll do it without a second thought. And she won't be crying and gnashing her teeth afterward or avoiding anyone's eyes, because Danielle is playing her own game... not the one someone else is dictating for her.

Blinky

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Even if each of the HGs have given me only a glimpse of their personalities (throwing out actions and conversations directly pertaining to the game), I feel I have alot more knowledge of their character than I would have of a new friend during the first couple weeks of getting to know them. I do not believe any comments made about HGs at this point are snap decisions made on first impressions. I know without a doubt, that I would not want ANY kind of relationship with some, and with others I could see starting a friendship with
I guess I am not a nice person cause if I saw someone putting ice down her drawers to keep the crabs fresh I wouldn't feel bad about making a judgement about her. I feel I don't "truly" need to know a person to come to the conclusion that I have no respect for them.

Zeyna

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eden, I think that Chiara was only willing to use the veto if Gerry would put up Josh, thereby saving Lisa and Eric - not just Lisa.
As for Dani being able to vote out Chiara without a problem, I don't see that as a redeeming quality. It would be just as sneaky as Chiara's vote for Lisa. And Dani will surely find a reason why it's justifiable, same as when she voted out Tonya.
I do agree with you about Chiara being very much influenced by Roddy, whereas Dani is playing her own game. But, from what Chiara sees in the house, Roddy is her greatest ally and his "power" over Eric is greater than her power over Lisa. For that reason, I can see why she would vote Lisa out. I just wish she figured that out without Roddy's help..