To Arnie: You messed up Twist and America's Choice??? spoiler
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Ravenest

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I, also, would LOVE to see Amy back in the house. I know I would LOVE to see Marc "Queen Out" as Amy said, too!

Amy mentioned on the show tonight that she liked the "break" from the house, but she said that she's waiting for her chance to get back in the house. So, I think she'll really shake some things up if she makes it back in! GO AMY!

Draheid

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bad bad Goddessatlaw. No PB&J for you. Go sit in a corner and behave yourself .... judge pro-tempore my foot! Sheesh ...hey I thought you had a date tonight?!?! What happened??

Oh, love to hate the twist (at least until I know how the decision is made) (for the on topic portion of the posting!)

Therlin

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think it's a money issue. At 99 cents a call, sure, they'll get some cash, but not even what one 30 second commercial earns them.

Arnie just doesn't want the audience directly involved in the house. That's his choice and whether I agree or not, I respect it. That's the way he conducted BB2 and now BB3 (and he is being successful if you look at the ratings)

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Draheid: the boy's doing the righteous family thing (and made sure I met his sister, which I felt was prematurely intimate, but who am I to say?). Like the twist personally, like the list better because it's MINE and I have control over who's on and WHO'S OFF IT, ZEYNA!!!!

Halleb529

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks to all of you who have taken the time to respond to this post. The boards are defintely hopping tonight!

I would love a former hg going in and the hamsters thinking the returned hamster knew what was going on in the house/diary room, instead of being secluded. Imagine the sucking up, especially if this evicted hg was named Hoh.

The hamsters go out of their way to explain their actions in the house and dr to Amy/Lori/Eric/Tonya, while the returned hg is smart enough to keep his/her mouth shut, listen to all the details, and then spill the beans to others in a new alliance.

Priceless!

Halle

Kits

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The fun part will be IF the house guests think that tha evictees have been waatching the feeds 24/7.

See them trying to mend all the fences they have broken and take back all the mean things said.

Draheid

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm...already a premature moment in the relationship ... should we read more into this???

I only hope Arnie has the sense to give *US* the opportunity to voice our preference as to who goes in. Maybe (but I doubt it) he'll use the voting from the CBS website to make the choice??!!??
JMO - FWIW

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Draheid: Sicksicksick. Come over here and sit by me. I don't know about the rest, but we've dated for awhile now and I haven't even let him kiss me goodnight. ???????? Anyway, yes there's Arnie, and then there's Arnie giving us the cornh*le treatment, and they're one in the same. My prediction: we should all prepare to be very upset next week.

Draheid

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I want to see ARNIE go into the house ... scr*w putting an evicted HG in there ... put him in there on PERMANENT PB&J!!! And thrown Allison in with him too. Let's see HIM squirm for a while!!!!

JMO - FWIW

Halleb529

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Therlin wrote:I don't think it's a money issue. At 99 cents a call, sure, they'll get some cash, but not
even what one 30 second commercial earns them.

Arnie just doesn't want the audience directly involved in the house. That's his choice and whether I agree or not, I respect it. That's the way he conducted BB2 and now BB3 (and he is being successful if you look at the ratings)---

Hi :)

I do not think the money by 99 cent calls is Arnie's focus.Also, in some ways, Arnie DOES want the public directly involved/have input in the game-that is why we are given the option to do AC's question each week-Arnie wants to give us just a bit of involvement in the game to keep us as fans.

CBS promoted the heck out of BB3 this past week (even airing incorrect information about the Twist being revealed Wednesday for a few days-I imagine people unfamiliar with BB were puzzled and disinterested if they turned into BB3 for the first time last Wed. because of the Wed. twist commercials and saw no big twist, as advertised repeatedly for days. I saw the Wed. twist BB3 commercial at least 5 times in 2 days during CBS prime time. Others saw it repeatedly as well. If I was a new BB viewer and watched the promos for Wed, I would have been very disappointed and bored, wondering where the promised twist was.)

My hubby came in and watched part of the show with me tonight (for the first time, after I hyped the twist to him), to see what the twist was. As soon as he saw what the America's Choice question was, he laughed his you know what off and could not believe what I saw in the show. Voting for an appliance??? How pathetic is this show, he asked me. I tried to explain there was a major twist coming up, but he said that he was interested after watching the promos, but after the appliance choice, the show seemed lame to him and he would never watch it again. He could care less about the twist after the lame AC question. He left the room and could care less about the twist. Arnie lost a potential viewer because of such a lousy AC question.

Point: Arnie hyped the show up like crazy and gave the lamest America's Choice question on possibly the most hyped/biggest BB3 night of the year. Arnie should have scheduled a great AC question. New viewers like my husband, had no interest vested in a returning houseguest (whom new viewers, like hubby, could care less about since they never watched the show before and never knew the dynamics the people added to the house), as well as an AC question that really, really sucked. What new viewer could care about the things we long time viewers do?

I am disappointed.

If you knew BB3 was going to get the biggest ratings (new and regular viewers) of the season tonight, would you have asked America to vote regarding a new appliance for the hamsters, or have given America a choice in which they would want to particapte and view the results next week? What would your question for America to vote be, keeping in mind that new viewers were tuning in and you want them to stick around? You also want to keep your current viewers interested.

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I think the problem with America's choice, if it was used to determine who went back in, is that most of the callers would probably only see the TV side of it, and not the feeds as much. Based on that, Eric would most likely be back in a heartbeat, because of the relationship. We live feed watchers know that there were many more sides to the evictees than what was shown on TV.

In BB1, we had the power to evict, and what happened? Almost all the more interesting people who caused conflict were voted out early.

We like to watch conflict, but we don't want to participate in it, so if given a choice, we will remove conflict. We feel guilty watching if we know we could have prevented the conflict, so we eliminate it, unlike other countries, who will let the interestng people stay, at least at first. The end result was that in BB1, we got a pretty harmonious but somewhat boring house, and it nearly resulted in no BB2 or BB3 here. Now, since we have no say in the conflict....We can enjoy watching it without guilt. Just my opinion, of course.

I agree in that I wouldn't have done the Americas Choice this week tho, especially not a silly choice like that....I would have announced the twist to the HG's with about 5 minutes left in the show, and see the shock on their faces tell the tale.....

Halleb529

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly Wilsonatmd...I expected the same thing-we would see the reactions of the hgs and the shock.

From what I understand, Saturdays are not good Neilson nights for BB3 (a lot of us are out and about), but someone earlier said that something like Julie indicated we would see the responses of the houseguests to the twist on Saturdays's show, which means the hgs will find out tomorrow.


I guess this gives Arnie Sunday-Wednesday (shock on Saturday night's show)to promo the hg's shock to make us tune in next week.

I agree: the hg's shocked reactions should have been shown live to make everyone (especially those without live feeds) kept in suspense and REALLy anticipate the next show.

Spunky

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now that I saw the show I think it truly stinks!!

It will disrupt the house, that's for sure. But also it will be mostly unfair to those in the house who didn't have the nice vacation the evicted hgs had. That's a nasty move by BB.

I think they had to come up with that idea because the women were going out too fast...

Spear

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lori was sequestered immediately. The producers couldn't have predicted that two more women would be voted out after her.

Draheid

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spear: That's assuming the producers really are NOT influencing things in the house ... I suspect that they are having a great deal of influence ... of course, JMO - FWIW

Spear

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
? I was just responding to Spunky's comment about this being something the producers came up "because the women were going too fast". If the producers have a lot of influence on who gets evicted (which I don't have an opinion on), then it even makes less sense for the Twist to be something they just came up with to correct the way the evictions were going.

The simplest explanation is that this is something they had always planned. Shapiro probably figured he'd steal a page from Mark Burnett's Survivor handbook. They even gave the houseguests hints about sequestration before they came in, right?

Duncan

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 11:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would imagine that AS, in his infinite wisdom ( or lack thereof ) has already decided who will go back into the house, and has known for some time. I doubt he has a spontaneous bone in his body. Even if there is some sort of challenge, I believe it will be engineered to place his choice back in the house.

Personally, I would love to see Lori back. I like Amy, but she got old after a while. The other two I have no use for at all. Tonya would just sunbathe alot, and putting cro-magnon man back in would just mean another week or two of watching Lisa fawn all over him....besides...I think he would be better off going home and trying to save his job. Being on TV or not, just walking away from your job without discussing it with your boss is abandonment.

Trulyscrumtious

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 04:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ranton

Being Canadian, I can't vote for any of the America's Choice questions. This bugs me, but hey, what can I possibly do about it? The questions and choices for lux items are pretty lame anyway, so I could frankly care less.

BUT...had Arnie chosen to make who gets to go back in an America's Choice question, I'd have wired 20 bucks to a friend I have in the States to place 20 calls voting in Amy in over Tonya and her stupid fake BOOBS!!!!

Just about every one of my friends (who are BB freaks like me, lol) have said they would do the same as well. I'd say Arnie misjudged the publics desire to be more active in the whole BB experience and missed out on a helluva potential 'cash cow'.

Can't say I'm all that surprised though, he misjudges just about everything when it comes to the loyal fans of this show. What a baffoon, lol. Doesn't he realize we have all kinds of extra dough laying about? Money that would have gone to banners this year if he hadn't figured out a way to put a stop to them?

Hellooooooooo...?!? Arnie...?!? Anybody home...?!? bat

rantoff

Stingerman

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Arnie made a very wise choice in not allowing the viewers to vote on who goes back in the house. If these contestants found this out they would have to factor this in and they would not act the way they are acting right now.

This was one of the problems with the first BB. I don't think we ever saw the true houseguest because they were to afraid to be themselves because they didn't want the public to vote them out.

My advice get rid of the AC if you are going to make some stupid thing like letters, or appliances. If you want to make it interesting then show the public 3 possible events for HOH and let us decide on that. This would make it at least a little interesting.

Chiparock

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I read on a media website (Jam!, I think) that all four evictees will return to the BB house and participate in a competition. The winner will be the one who gets to stay as a houseguest.

Wonder how they'll stack the deck so that one individual has an advantage ....

Mizinvancouver

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It'll be interesting to see how Arnie will decide which of the former houseguests will return.

(Oh please...all I ask is it's not Tonya! All she talks about is her implants and walks around in a skimpy bathing suit!!)

Kaili

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't even imagine he would want Tonya back in. Arnie would probably want Amy or Eric because they cause the most excitement. Lori would be lost in there if she went back and I'm not sure anyone would let her into their alliances. She's been gone too long.

Wtruup2

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a thought. What if they make the next houseguest evicted choose who goes back into the house!
It seems to me as if they are going to tell them before tomorrow about the new "twist".
If the evicted were to choose, would that affect who Chiara will put up for eviction????
Hmmmmm, makes sense to me.
Anyone with me on this???

Chanlev

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wtruup2, it would certainly be a good twist ! If Chiara prefers Eric back, she would have to put Roddy for eviction ? hhhmmmm And Roddy, as a revenge, could choose Amy to go back in the house.. ! But I don't think it will be this way... It would be so frustrating to be voted out and let another evictee go back to play ! It's already a bad idea, IMO.


Trulyscrumtious, I'm glad to see I'm not alone in Montreal to watch BB !

Wydy

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
wtruup2 I think you have an excellent theory there. Very good. It would really cause a big twist. I hope you're right.

I have no belief at all that the public will have anything to do with who will go back. It would royally suck if they do. When i talk to people who only watch the show they are so misinformed and clueless. Imagine a whole country of those idiots voting to send Tonya back in because they think she's hot! gag, gag, puke.

I like this theory and I hope you're right. Either that or the four will compete somehow or be voted on by the current HG's.

Amac

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What Arnie wants is to have the game played solely by the HGs-- no interference from outside (excepting the innocuous "America's Choice").

If we, the fans/viewers, choose which of the four evicted HGs return, it will be a popularity contest. Nobody will pick Amy, Lori, Tonya or Eric based on strategy. The HGs, on the other hand, will do just that (if they vote--we don't know yet how the returning HG will be chosen).

This is exactly how Arnie wants it.

Mizinvancouver

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Do you think after they bring in one of the ousted houseguests that future ousted houseguests will get sent to resorts to be possibley placed back in the house at a later date?

I think they'll probably just do it this one time, then following evictions we will see them reunited with their family members? What's your ideas on this?

Duster4260

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did you hear Marc just say "Maybe the unexpected will be that Amy comes back."

Two minutes later Marc is called to the DR.

Dux2k

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't read ALL these posting but I wanted to give my opinion. I don't think it would be fair for either America or the HG to choose who gets to go into the house. I think it would be way better if they made the evicted HG compete for the reentrance into the house. That would be once H*LL of a competition, because they all want to go back in. Just a thought

Sbw

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In some way, I think it will be the HGs who decide who comes back in, at least I hope so. Would Marc really want Amy back in after the grief she gave him? Lisa and Roddy would obviously want Eric back in. Roddy also said once that he felt bad about how Lori left, so a question there. Gerry would want Lori back in. Josh...Eric? Dani would want to leave them all out. :) Jason.... Lori?

Sherbear

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Marcy really wants Amy back in the house. I love her and I think he does to, but I think he saw there relationship as hurting him in the game. Now if Josh goes, things are going to get fun. Especially now that Chiapet's cover's are blown with Lisa.

BTW I would love to see Amy back in.

Bmh

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 12:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm..I have a feeling that Arnie is going to def. manipulate this up-coming "challenge" for one of the 4 to come back..I doubt he would let Tonya or Lori for that matter back in..Im tellin ya expect to see Amy or Eric walk back in next Thursday lets hope it's Amy!

Trulyscrumtious

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chanlev - Wow, another Montrealer, that makes three of us now... up ...(that i know of anyway)

Howdy! hellooooo

*or should I say bonjour...i'm thinking 'Chan' stands for Chantal...?* scratchchin