Chiara, HOH, w/ the Most GUTS thus Far?
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Cyn

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 09:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
in terms of HOH nominations so far, chiara's choice to put up roddy has got to be the ballsiest move yet. rivaled only by gerry's nomination of eric and lisa.

it could have been done with arrogance of thinking that no one would vote for him; but, somewhere in the back of her mind she must really want him out of the game. somewhere in her mind she had/s to be thinking the same thing that marcellas thought: the decoy is always the one to go.

chiara shows to us the symptoms of classic passive-aggressive behavior.

whatever her intention, you've got to give chiara mad crazy props for such evil genius.

Caliogirl

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cyn, part of me wants to agree with you (don't want to be labled a Chiara basher or put Kieffer on the defensive ) but... I think Chiara is too blinded by being "in love" with Roddy (naming the kids and all that). I think she truly believes that no one could want Roddy out because he's so "awesome". It may be a subconsious passive/agressive move on her part but I really thinks she believes Roddy walks on water.

On the other hand from what she's revealed about herself so far she has a bit of a self destructive streak and she may be subconsiously sabotaging her "relationship" with Roddy.

Then again I don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about

Annavenis

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Caliogirl - I agree.. not to mention that she hasn't really shown herself to be intelligent enough to decide that Roddy's exit would be beneficial to her. She wants Josh's exit to be dramatic and couldn't (in her mind) guarantee it if he were to be put up against anyone else.

And also that because Roddy had "mentioned" his being put up she must have thought he would be OK with it and could get away with it with him because of their relationship. I doubt she feels confident enough about any other HG or her relationship with them to get away with putting them up as a decoy...

The self sabotage angle is an interesting one for sure...

Anna

Jhezzie

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I kinda have to agree that she is way too thrilled with Roddy to have noticed that not everyone is as enchanted. Funny thing is, Roddy knows, lol.

Sherbabe

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
remember in BB2, they had sooooo many chances to get rid of Will.
Roddy, the alpha male, must go this week.

Wiseolowl

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can't figure the motivation. Even a black widow spider waits until after sex, not foreplay before she devours her mate .

Jaysgal

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cyn, I honestly think that more than anything, Chiara is doing this consciously and unconsciously. She is doing it unconsciously in the sense that her mind that she has turned off is rebelling and imitating the ways of her master. My other suspicion is her PMS. On the other hand, she is consciously trying to imitate Roddy to prove that she is just as good as he is. She always has to measure up to his standard. He proved powerful when he insisted on a unanimous vote and everyone feared him to do just that. Chiara wants to prove just as powerful. She wants to say, I'm good enough for you, I can master your ways, so accept my initiation.

If you note, she mimicked Roddy's exact method. The difference is, Roddy happens to be the one who has a relationship with Josh, and whom she believed would vote to keep Josh. The irony here though is, Roddy had at least a not very strong player, Amy, whom many had nothing to lose if they evicted her as opposed to Marcellas; whereas in this case, we have two arguably strong, or at least active, players at risk. People can be threatened by either and feel this is the best chance they have.

I will give her credits for accidentally being the strongest woman "with a mind of hers" as she likes to believe.

Caliogirl

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oooh that's good Annavenis -- the being insecure about nominating any other HG. Good angle.

It does sort of feed right into the sabotage theme as well. She does seem to expect A LOT from someone she's in a "budding" relationship (her eyes, flirtation in his eyes). Not with just the nom but with attention -- her expectations are pretty high. Almost as if she sets herself up to be disappointed. If that's the case she must get disppaointed by a lot of people in her life when they don't live up to those expectation she's set in her head. Hard to live like that if it's true.

I bet all the house guest get lot's of insight into their lives/behaviour when they watch the tapes -- better yet read the boards.

Intersting sociological study we have going with our "hamsters".

Tootseug

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
First off, I am not a Roddy fan. That said, since Roddy knows that not everyone is as enchanted with him as Chiara is, was he stupid not to put a squelch on Chiara nominating him. I mean, he could have. The fact that he didn't, showed that he was really allowing Chiara to truly be the HOH, without interference. Which, really doesn't fit, with how we know Roddy to be. So either he deserves kudos or, there is something that I am missing.

Jaysgal

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point, Tootseug. I kept asking the same question. But maybe he himself felt threatened and was afraid that if he pushed it, she'll put him up anyway and lobby people out of frustration or hurt to evict him. Maybe he wasn't willing to take the gamble. Or maybe he's made some secret dealings with other house members, which we aren't aware of, and it made him confident enough to get rid of the out of control Josh.

Or who knows...could BB really have said something in the diary room or given them some ritalin? :Q Hehehehe! I'm kidding. :)

It's still a mystery to me why everything is going this way with people not putting up fights as they normally would.

Tripwaste

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, buried somewhere else in the myriad of threads, I proposed a scheme in which Chiara could execute the killingest move in BB history by nominating both Josh and Rodney _ the logic being that Rod would get voted out in favor of keeping abrasive Josh.

Granted this play would be most optimum to use after riding Rodney to a hypothetical final 4 of him, her, Josh and Gerri (or Lisa), giving Chiara a most do-able path to final two-land.

But since Chiara got HoH ahead of schedule, might as well smoke 'em if you got 'em, right?

As far as ranking the HoH nominations in terms of strategic cruciality, from best to worst, it would go like this:

* Chiara's nom of Josh & Roddy
* Gerry Spice's nom of Eric & Lisa
* Rodney's nom of Amy & Marcellas

* and tied for last and most ineffective
are Lisa's nom of Marcellas/Amy & Lori
and Marcellas's nom of Josh & Tonya

p.s. However, Chiara's nominating acumen will depend on who gets voted out.
If Josh goes, then she will have screwed her bond with Rodney, and thus, her move could be judged as wasteful, impatient blunder.
However, if Rodney is voted out, then it will indeed be the hottest nomination evar!

(And I will pledge my allegiance to Kiki's Kingdom! ... just kidding!)

Jhezzie

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You think, Tootseug? I think he thought he was safe because she "likes him" likes him. He seemed really unnerved when she actually went though with it.

Battlestar

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's not Chiara's guts that are going to be spilled this week if Roddy goes.


She believes she still has the women's alliance behind her if by some'slim' chance this risk fails to go to the expected outcome

Goddessatlaw

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crap, Cyn - saw the title thread and thought Keiff had finally shown up. Almost gave myself whiplash trying to get in here and tell him how wrong he was. Since it's you, sure - Chiarra's shown some balls, but mostly she's shown a complete failure to work the puzzle to it's logical conclusion. She got it in her head earlier that she could ensure Josh's eviction and Roddy's everlasting devotion (more later on that) by showing her complete faith in Roddy's domination by nominating him against Josh. First, she's gambling with her future-ex-boyfriend's chances without his consent. He's not staying around for the child support payments. Secondly, particularly if he gets booted, she's got an enemy she's kept in the house (Josh) and another coming in (unless it's Tonya) when her move backfires. Even if Roddy stays, she's toast in his book. Ballsy (like it) but stupid.

Lizardsamongus

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara's thinking apparatus seems to be south of her navel. She has no clue that Roddy could go. She doesn't see that D and Ja are running this game. Even Roddy for all his intellect said if Ja was playing the game he deserves an Academy Award. In the beginning this was R's game to lose. He may just have done that.

Cyn

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess, this: "First, she's gambling with her future-ex-boyfriend's chances without his consent. He's not staying around for the child support payments."

well, it all most made dream cicle go flying all over the screen.

poor young chiara lost in a dillusional world.

i love the move cause here's the chance for the second nail.

Fabnsab

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Chia showed some major brass you know whats by saying what she said to Josh about why she nominated him. I normally hate that the hgs skirt issues and sugarcoat things but she sure didn't. I am somewhat proud of her for that. Girlfriends keeping it real-its aawwnn.

Earthmother

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She finally has a chance to make a decision on her own and she gives away her farm!!! No wonder Roddy is shocked. I don't think he gave her much credit in the past and now knows why. I love the comment "I don't want people to think we have an allience".. honey look around there are lots of other people in the house with you and YOU ALREADY NAMED YOUR CHILDREN WITH THIS GUY!! I know I've never had an allience with my husband but he doesn't care if I get him evicted there's no money here for him.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
IMO, Chiara showed us her mindset in one quote in tonight's show. It was the sequence where she was talking about double standards for men and women and that she acts no different than a man would.

Come to think of it...that was a major bone of contention between with Roddy and Chiara in the house. Double standards. But it was Roddy trying to claim that status. Did we ever see that spat on the show? I miss bits and pieces of Wednesdays show when I'm trying to juggle American Idol.

Shyguy

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Anybody else think it's possible that Chi, who was attracted to Roddy initially, having a chance to get to know him, is using this as way of ending it.
She's pretty much stuck with him as long as he's in the house.
I know if I was seeing a woman who talked so much boring nonsense and who was so egotistical, I'd run like "oh my heck"

Oregonfire

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Where is Kieffer anyway? Come out and play with us! I like reading your posts. :)

Wendo

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, IMO, I don't think it was much "guts" at all for her nominations. She nominated just like everyone else (with the exception of Gerry), on emotion. She was angry at Josh, worried about him exposing her, embarassing her, etc. So, BAM, you're on the block.

As for Roddy, I don't know how mad he really is. Sure, there's a little fear there, he could go. But everytime Josh has one of his verklempt moments, can only make him more secure. But, it ensures him Josh's vote in the end because he didn't have to vote him out. It's a risk, but one I'm not surprised Roddy took. Smart move in Josh's eyes, really. He's playing the martyr and Josh will pledge his undying "love" to that.

Soonergal

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 08:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fab,
I agree. I'm glad Chiara didn't skirt the issues of her decision to nominate Josh. What was funny to me was Josh's initial reaction to the accusation that he isn't trustworthy. Did you see the incredulous look he gave her? "Huuuhhh???" with his brows all furrowed and his nose all scrunched up? Of course once she got specific and cited her source, Lisa, then he started to suspect his lies were truly exposed. The look of disbelief disappeared and became one of total resignation when he and Lisa locked eyes. He knew the girls had aired all their "Josh promises" and he was toast. I'm not a Chiara fan, but she did show that she wasn't afraid of him, and she made it clear he needed to go. WTG, girl!

Kathyb

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 08:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Shyguy, I'm with you. I read in the LFs where Chiara said that she and Roddy hadn't "cuddled" in weeks. I think the romance is over for both of them and this is her way of getting out of it without losing face. I don't know if she truly believes he will go, though.

Gina8642

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Chiara's noms can be viewed as either ballsy or as timid

The ballsy view

She took Josh head on. She didn't pull any punches. blah, blah, blah...


The timid View

She knew Josh was the most disliked guy in the house. She put him up, to prevent anyone from disliking her.

You can really twist her action to see it any way you want to.

I think Chiara is conflicted and sees it a bit of all the ways people have stated.

Ocean_Islands

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 09:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Guts without brains is a recipe for disaster.

Janekat0629

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She also pulled a ballsy and smart move during the POV game with the tiles. Everyone was playing it safe by puling up tiles on the edge and she pulled the tile in the middle.

Draheid

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd say she has b@lls, but I really believe they belong to Roddy ... which says things on several levels! :)

JMO - FWIW

Pantha

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Chiara resents Roddy and Josh's late night chess games/discussions. This may be a reason she put them both up.

Josh takes Roddy time away from Chiara.

Sunrise

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 03:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i think that chiara and rodney think their sh*t doesn't stink. this is why she/they did this. i guess you can say that it's the boldest move by far. and, as it looks right now, they will prevail.

Bunyun

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 03:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What is funny is Rodney has said time and again, that every plan that they have had has backfired on them. So would br great if this one does also. But I think that Gerry was the most gutsy to nominate Lisa and Eric, they all were upset at him, how dare he do such a thing. He knew what he was getting into and forged right ahead. Chia is being just plain stupid. IMO.

Ravenly

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 05:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara didn't express guts during that stupid move, she expressed complete and total arrogance in the idea that she could control the other HG into doing what she wanted. I agree with another poster that she is trying to mimic Roddy's moves to prove this to him. I feel that she truly believes that she is every bit of a force to be reckoned with as Roddy. She may feel slightly insecure in that she may subconciously feel that she is riding on his coattails abit, but is trying to show off her power. I think she also wanted to prove to the girls that she is still part of hte girls alliance esp now after she got caught voting out lisa.

Chiara needs to wise up, and fast. Actually I think she is in far too deep with ticking people off at this point to win.