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Carigsby

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Roddy is an incredible manipulator - and I think that Marcellus may have felt compelled to say something, but I also think that Jason may have had alterior motives to his "confession".

However - Roddy isn't demanding they come to him - they are going to him on their own free will all the while thinking Roddy will be an ally, and not realizing that Roddy is just going to use it all to his advantage.

They are all making a poor judgement call in going and "confessing" to him - but that is their fault, not Roddy's.

(sidebar - I'm not a Roddy fan, but I feel that Marcellus should be held accountable for going in there and saying what he did. He dug his grave there by not having together exactly what he wanted to say. I think he was lying because he could not pull it together when Roddy point blank asked a question about something he had just said.)

Txbb3fan

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well now Marcie is spilling G's plans....oh man

(BTW...I used to be a Marcie fan. I'm not sure who I like less at this point: Marcellas, Roddy, or Chiara....)

C1mag

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Uh Bmh I don't know where you came up with the thought that Gerry would be nominated by Roddy. Don't you get Roddys strategy? He will not put Gerry up but will make a deal of safety with Gerry like he did last time in the event Gerry gets another hoh Gerry would have to save Roddy. So who is left for Roddy to nominate? Not his girl. Not his boy. Not Erics woman. The only ones left... Dani and Marcellus. One will be going home next week for keeping him in. The other will go the week after once Chiara gets hoh as well. You asked why Marcellus would start talking with Roddy... BECAUSE Roddy has a power over these people that is incredible. Thats why you get the man out!! You don't hope for something that isn't there yet and that is a fantasy that Roddy wouldn't have power. You jump on the current opportunity to boot the man.

Minkster1973

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The only reason I don't want Roddy to go is because he is entertaining to watch. No one has done it better. I thought Lori or Chiara would be the dramatic scene stealer....but Roddy has the title hands down! Go Roddy!

C1mag

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm gonna hurl! Why doesn't Marcellus just promise Roddy the money now. So if Marc gets hoh who is he gonna put up? Danielle and Jason for God sakes. what a foolish man.

Carigsby

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellus now saying he thinks the producers would do something because now they have to sit there for 2 days not knowing what Josh will do.

Please - melodrama much?

Hohoho

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo: Clarification about my using the term "Josh shooting himself in the foot"... I don't have the live feeds, but based upon what I read, during this incident, Josh lost it and went ballistic (that's the shooting himself in the foot part). Instead, Josh could have stayed calm, smiled, walked away, or done WHATEVER to stay cool under fire, but instead fell into Roddy's trap. I agree with everything you posted!

Paulyaceiii

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Roddy wins this vote 5-0, they oughta stop the game, take him out, and give him the $500K here and now, and let everyone else play for second...

Sassylady

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
According to what I read...when Josh called Roddy on weren't they all planning on evicting Marc...This is when Roddy said, (pp)let's not make this a pick on Josh thing ie: Let me stop this thing now before Josh does say to much....

Marc is a drama queen...Like I wrote in another thread, Marc had most of us in his corner until he treated Gerry like dirt and sucking up to Roddy....Marc needs to go, he is NOT playing the game he is living a soap opera (Days of Marc's Life)..and brings every disagreement back to woe is me...

Bmh

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag..your thinking that Roddy is controlling the game has alot of IF's..there is a 1 in 6 shot of him winning HOH..he has a very slim chance..and you dont know for sure what Roddy will do..the whole house wants Gerry out..I would think he would nominat Gerry..plus Chiara has said numerous times he wants gerry out...and believe me if M/D/J/L get HOH roddy will be a nominee it will be Roddy and Chiara..you can tell me D or M will leave next week when he wins HOH if not..then you are very wrong...stop assuming what is going to happen..I will agree with you when Roddy wins HOH but if he doesn't then he is a dead man

Puck1021

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregonfire: to add to your post about Dani sitting on the edge of the bed like she was about to get exposed, I just finnished catching up on the LF and she even made the comment, PP "you still have to feel a little sorry for him", still trying to get some sympathy for Josh. Dani is worried that her scheming with Lisa and Josh this week will come out, so far she has flown quietly under the radar with Jason, but now less people in the house means more talk and plans get exposed. Lisa could have a big change of heart and go to R&C and tell them that Dani came to her about booting Roddy, Dani is worried, whether she shows it or not she is worried.

I think it was great thinking for Roddy to blow this all up the night before votes, to bring everyone together and get them to realize that none of them can trust Josh, he caught Josh lying right to his face in front of everyone. I understand it is a game, but this is a game where you still have to "LIVE" with the people playing every day and Josh is a big disruption and keeps everyone so strung out they can't enjoy the game.

Costacat

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Two questions:

Why did Roddy think that Josh would not campaign to stay in? Why did Roddy tell him not to? Hello?

And when Marcellas told Roddy he had thought to vote to evict him (Roddy), why did Roddy say that Marcellas' reason would be a bad reason?

OK... more than two questions. And maybe rhetorical.

BUT HELLO????????? Jiminy christmas!!!!!

Txbb3fan

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hohoho....Listening and watching to the live feeds, there's no way that Josh could have just remained calm and just walked away. No way that I don't think any of us in our right minds could have done that.

It started out as a real gentle and whisper-like conversation with Roddy asking the questions to Josh. Then Roddy started blaming Josh for campaigning and that's when it all broke loose.

Roddy basically acting like Josh didn't have his back. Give me a break. This is a freaking game. Like I said earlier in this thread, I was actually glad that Josh brought up in front of everybody this wasn't supposed to be a KumBaYah experience. They're here for the money.

It's kind of like being at work. If you make friends that's nice. But if you don't, oh well. Except they're playing for $500,000 and I doubt many of us earn that kind of money over a few months......

Just a thought and it's my opinion.

Hohoho

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
TXbbfan: OK, thanx for clarifying the situation, as I can't get the live feeds.

:)

C1mag

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bmh now I'm laughing at the suggestion that i should take what Chiara has to say as legit. Now that is funny. Her actions have LIAR written all over it! Last week Roddy wouldn't vote Josh out if he were up against either Eric or Lisa and I'm suppose to believe he wouldn't take a stab at Dani or Marcellus and keep Gerry as a get out of free jail card as he has already demonstrated? Come on! You really aren't paying attention. Roddy is playing to win. Not to create paradise. If that had been true Josh would already be gone.

Now as for the idea that Roddy might now win hoh that is very digestable. However, why even toy with the thought? Just boot him now and you extinguish the best player in the house right now. You don't have to stress about the possabilities and then YOU control your destiny.

Costacat

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can you say "Machiavellian"?

Foodbunny

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Roddy basically acting like Josh didn't have his back. Give me a break. This is a freaking game."

Yes, and calling people out on lying about what they were going to do is every bit as much a part of the game as lying about what you are going to do. I don't see how Josh lying is "playing the game" but Roddy calling him on it is "bullying".

Txbb3fan

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's OK Hohoho :)....just listening to them argue and then for everybody else to have to get dragged into it. You couldn't have just walked away. You would have looked like the biggest wuss and loser in the world. That was a time where you had to stand there and try to stand your ground.

And it is my opinion. (And BTW, I'm not a big Josh fan either....LOL)

Cajunrambler

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does this mean that Josh and Roddy don't love each other any more?

Darn, I miss my live feeds.

Bmh

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol I give up C1mag..I will agree with you for now..but if I end up being right you better grovel before me :)

Sassylady

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
After rereading the Lfs...I need to ask a LFP a question...While playing BB was Josh telling Roddy that everyone was coming to him campaining against Roddy? And then that is when Roddy said, wait everyone is here let's ask them?

In other words Josh being Josh...He might have pulled it off but he HAD to pull one of his games thinking Roddy would get nervous...Josh did this to someone else cannot remember who--He even admitted to it in the DR "stir the pot" were his words..

C1mag

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sassy Roddy tried very hard to get Josh to shutup about that first weeks vote and when Josh forced Roddy to admit he was going to vote Marcellus out and that Marcellus was in fact going it went right over Marcellus' head. I have always said that Marcellus' has a major flaw. DRAMA QUEEN! If it weren't Josh this week it would be Gerry he would be pissed at. If it's not those two it would be too hot, too dirty, too cold etc... Marcellus really lost it today and did just what Roddy needed. At one point I thought Marc was gonna offer to satisfy Roddy sexually. It was pathetic!

Off2cthwizrd

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a question. When ever the 6-pack vote was brought up today, Roddy kept saying "I was not part of that." Did I miss something? Was he really denying being a part of the 6-pack decisions?

Willow_Woman

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Costacat, I totally agree. Machiavellian indeed.

As much as this pains me, I now believe that Roddy is probably the best player at this time. Interestingly, in the discussion threads, we saw, "Dani and Lisa conspiring to evict Roddy." Roddy probably anticipated something like this and thus instigated the "fight."

Once the "fight" ocurred, the thread began to fall, fall, fall to bottom---as did any hopes of actually evicting Roddy.

Roddy has two things going for him. He is an excellent manipulator and he's very, very calculating. I believe the fight he started was for the benefit of the hgs who go with their emotions instead of their heads. I think he knows everyone's individual weaknesses and exploits them.

Hopefully, Dani/Jason will see through his machinations and, somehow, outwit him. Dani will have an uphill battle to oust him after this though.

C1mag

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Bmh, you've seen Roddy today at his best. He is so manipulative he is a walking contradiction. Even if he doesn't get hoh this comming week he probably will talk his way right back into the game. He's just that good. I hope Dani has a better gameplan prepared for the rest of her time in the house. Personally I hope you are right and I'm wrong. :) minus the groveling.. I don't do that LOL!!

I'd love to see Dani nail first prize and you know that. However, my desire to get rid of Roddy right now enusres she has an easier time getting to the finals with a lot more support instead of the best player gunning to get her out so he can win.