Why would Dani want to go up against Jason with the jury?
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Woodpecke®

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As a smart player, you should be doing everything in your power to keep from being banished from the house. One step at a time, without even trying to envision a scenario of a final 4, 3, or 2. To think that you can totally plan 5 or 6 evictions is foolish and a sure way to lose your focus. Big Brother has too many forks in the road planned to keep this group guessing.

Shyguy

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great point Woodpecker,
Roddy thought he already had things set
for the end game.
Look where he's at one week later.

Pinky780

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, she doesn't have to be up against the most offensive person in the end. She can win against Jason if she makes preparations. At the rate they're going, neither Jason nor Danielle have offended anyone (at least, not so's they know it!! Danielle has had plenty to say behind closed doors.) So, what would make the HGs vote for her over Jason? Sympathy. But, Danielle is not the "I had a child young, etc." type of person (to her credit). But I could see her "martyring" herself up against Gerry or Josh, knowing theywould be evicted. But, during that week, she would keep quiet, never complain, and probably do her best to make the other HGs think, "wow, what a trooper". She'd probably give a whopper of a "if I'm evicted" speech. Then, she's saved and goes up against Jason at the end. Now, who would you vote for (to get paid)? Jason - who was never nominated, and who is racking up additional money for every week he stays on the show; or Danielle - who felt the sorrow and yet never said a mumbling word? Sorry, I just got home from church!

Earthmother

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
On this board we see it all and if we were able to vote then we might just vote for the person who played the game the best, but many will vote their favorite no matter how they play..Human nature however is to vote out the person who lied or played you and then personalities enter into the faction. It will all depend on how the evicted hgs see it. I still am in awe of how some people think that just because Dani is doing all this talking and scheming that she is playing better than Jason..Who is playing who here? He is just letting her talk and talk and scheme and talk and he is everyone's sweetheart and no one seems to be afraid to let him hear their convos because they think he has no clue. He's not telling anyone what he hears. She has made some very unkind comments that the jury could very well (if they vote on a personal level- and many did last year) not want her to have the money for the mean things she has said about them. Do you think Tanya will vote who played the game better, does she even know? Tanya will vote against the one who said mean things about her and I think Amy, Chiara, Lisa, Josh and Eric will too. Dani will do Jason's bidding for him and therefore the rest of the house thinks she's playing the game so well that they will put her up because she is such a threat. When the time comes for Jason to make his move he will, but right now he is the safest guy in the house. Eventually when it gets down to 4 they will scheme to get him out, but then it's a crap shoot who will win HOH.

Shyguy

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dani wants to make sweet Jason look like the one to beat. She'd then want to go into the
final three with herself, Jason, and(Josh or Gerry) with one of those two winning HOH and knocking out Jason. She then goes into the final
vote not being the bad person who sent Jason home.

However, like Woodpecker said above, planning that far ahead can cost you.

Lurknomore

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's much less complicated then all these theories. I think she feels that she is better liked and has more friends than Jason has so she would win against him in the finals. And if she didn't, and she had to lose to someone she could live with it being him.

Her feelings about Marcellas? Same thing. As they said in England years ago, "the Heir and the spare."

Dagny

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pinky780- Jason is no longer earning money each week he is in the house. When Lori left, that deal ended.(If you were talking about him winning the "sitting in a tree" game) He is only earning the stipend that everyone else is earning too.

Jaysgal

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 03:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"During a convo just now with Marc, Dani told Marc to keep something to himself and not tell Jason. She said Jason was their eyes and ears. Hmmmm...does Marc think he's got the exclusive over Jason? Did Dani make that deal with him?"

I think Danielle is playing both Jason and Marcellas. Does anyone remember when she told Jason to tell Marcellas that Roddy wanted him out, something like that? I forget her exact words.

She said this just after Marcellas stood up to do something and then return. Jason questioned her knowledge (e.g., whether Roddy had actually said so, or how she knew it). She didn't give a straight-forward response to Jason. Nonetheless, Jason did tell Marcellas when Marcellas returned. Jason never referenced his source (Danielle, that is).

So, either Danielle was playing both of them or she thought Marcellas had more confidence in Jason. I am inclined to believe that she was just playing Marcellas and Jason. Why Jason is acting as a messenger is beyond me. I think he genuinely trusts that Danielle will be a good candidate for the final two. However, I'm afraid that he's gravely mistaken. Danielle is a player. Not a smart player, in my opinion. The people she's trying to lead happen to be outspoken or unsubmissive people (with exception to Jason, whom I have no assurance of his intelligence level), contrast that with Roddy's disciples.

Jaysgal

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 03:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Speaking of the final two, I do agree with Shyguy. I think that Danielle would much rather want to see Josh with her at the end. She may claim to people that she wants Josh out, but I do not believe her. I think she thinks that she has a much better chance with Josh. Who knows, we may have another Nicole and Will repeat itself.

But then again, neither of these two people are intelligent or will-powered as Nicole and Will were.

Jan

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In a trio of Marci, Jason and Dani to the final 3, Dani can't lose. No matter who wins HOH then, she will go to the final as both Marci and Jason are loyal to her. If she wins it, I think she will take Jason...

also if the final 3 is Lisa, KiKi and her, she goes to the final 2 as both KiKi and Lisa are closer to her, I think, than to each other.

So Dani is in excellent shape if she can just keep from being nominated and evicted!

Will she win the 500K? Who knows..but she will certainly get at least $50K I think.

Jaysgal

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"In a trio of Marci, Jason and Dani to the final 3, Dani can't lose. No matter who wins HOH then, she will go to the final as both Marci and Jason are loyal to her. If she wins it, I think she will take Jason..."

I disagree. Maybe Jason is loyal to her, but I don't think Marcellas is. Marcellas is a very intelligent guy and has her figured out. Do you forget how he rightly analysed her as having her own agenda and playing for Danielle?

She may think that Marcellas is a subject to her or doesn't have that much intelligence, but she is underestimating him. Marcellas is good at reading people. Perhaps he is not as good as Roddy, but he is next to Roddy in line.

You may be right though. Who knows!

Jan

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 04:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jay I guess I didn't explain myself well. What I meant was that, if they are the final 3 and M wins HOH, Marci will take Dani to the final 2 rather than Ja. I think he will do that because he has a better chance to beat Dani than he does to beat Jason. I know that he sees through Dani but she will get him to the final 3 not Gerry or anyone else in the house, so that is where his loyalty is.

I also would love to see Marci win..if not him than Dani

Woodpecke®

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Marci ends up in the final three, I will crab walk backwards while naked in front of the CBS BB3 studio with a shaved body and wearing a tattoo proclaiming my undying devotion to Marci and SCREAM my desire to spend quality time with him on his world wide tour to promote white robe sales and clean anal orifaces.

Wcv63

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well now I have yet another reason to pull for Marci! Goooooooooo Marci!

Really want to see Woodpecker's performance!

Ladytex

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 07:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Go Marci! This outta be good ... LOL

Wink

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gee Wcv, Woodpecker's offer kinda put a damper on my enthusiasm for Marci.

Spygirl

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...that does top Ms Bat's offer in Survivor, though!

I think we have a deal!

Sia

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, Woody, what have you opened yourself up to here? This promise may come back to haunt you! I would love to see you crab-walk backwards nekkid, but I'm not rooting for Marcellas to finish in the top three. . .oh, okay, I WILL root for Marcellas just to see you pull this off! Can someone here please make sure Julie Chen will be on the scene for live coverage of Woodpeck-r's performance? Thanks.

Niceguy

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd like to see Jason expose Danielle to eviction at some point. It would have to be so he could gain leverage with Gerry, Chiara and Roddy.

Ptomaine

Monday, August 05, 2002 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You should go to the end with the person you believe should deserve it. We have seen that chosing the one less likely to win doesn't always panned out.

As Wigglesworth would you rather have Rich or Ruddy win? As Nicole, did you really want Will to win? And Vecepia vs Kathy?

Nothing is guarantee... Josh is not necessary a shoe in. And I'd rather have Gerry win over Roddy, if it turned out Roddy manipulated me.

Thefan

Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My goodness Woodpecker, this I have to see! Words like that always come back to haunt you, lol.

Penpoint

Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 03:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What ties Danielle and Jason together is their religion. I think it is what attracted them to each other and what allows her to trust him.

There is a parallel to Tina and Colby from Survivor--a big sister figure combined with an admirable young man. And I don't see that Danielle has any problem with Jason standing beside her in the final two. Danielle has subtly positioned herself as having the greatest "need" of the money, and this will play out in the final votes. In her final address to the voting HGs, however, she will be emphasizing how well she played the game, a la Vecepia.

Cricket

Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly Penpoint! They are a lot like Tina and Colby, and Tina won....hmmm. Do ya think Danielle is hoping for the same outcome?

I really don't want Marci anywhere near the final three. He loves himself way too much already, lol. However, to see Woody do the crabwalk sans clothes, it might be worth it. :)

Patman

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 05:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle showed her cards early when she voted to boot Tonya, and keep Josh around. Hopefully some of the people will remember that, even Jason.