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Maris | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:37 am     Battlestar that exact thought occurred to me about ten minutes ago as I was watching the feeds. Gerry brought up to Dani the fact that people call Jason the Messiah and how wrong it is. Dani said Jason wasnt comfortable with it. Then Gerry said and you know who made that name up...Josh. Dani said "yes but that isnt surprising". I got the distinct impression she said that because he is Jewish and in her mind does not respect the "messiah". I just inferred it. Gerry didnt respond. |
Moedog | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:45 am     It seems to me that Dani and Gerry are USING their faith to justify the way they play the game whereas Jason really tries to LIVE his faith while playing the game to win. Go Jason! |
Gina8642 | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:45 am     Dani is going way overboard here with the religion thing. During part of her and Gerry's convo this morning she said you have to have faith. That without faith a person can't get through tough times. Clearly indicating 'faith' meant religious faith. Baloney Dani. She is being extrememly santimonious, and casting stones. She has really, really lost points with me today. Roddy may be irritating, but he can choose to believe in God or not. Roddy's faith or lack of faith is up to Roddy, and no one else. Ick Dani, and Ick Gerry for even having this convo about someone. They need to show some respect for other people's perspective on lives. Re - the thread topic - Jason is playing the game of Big Brother. I have no problems with nearly anything he has done so far. He doesn't diss people behind their backs in a cruel manner. (a la every other person in the house. Even Gerry was bashing this morning with Dani the 'christian' at his side.) |
Becca | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:53 am     I agree with the person who said there are good people out there who are atheists. I know my stepmother is an excellant person, and she's an atheist. Christianity states that you cannot get into heaven by being good because no one could be good enough. You can only get to heaven by accepting God's grace through Christ. However, you wrong when you say that you can be a good Christian and a horrible person. Many people call themselves Christians; however, there actions stress differently. Christianity states you along by yourself cannot be good enough for heaven. But, accept Christ, and God can transform you. One of the things that the Bible states that God is love, and the person who does not love, is not of God. Thus, becoming a Chritian means you agree to live your life for God, for Christ in surrender. It means that slowly you will transform and become a person of love. A person who loves so much that they are to love even their enemies and bless those who persecute them. Christ is very clear that Christians are suppose to care for the poor, the downtrodden, because when they are doing it, they are doing it for Him. He says those who claim to be Christians and don't do this, He will look at them and say you never knew me. In the beginning days of Christiantiy, followers would come and sell their property. They would use it to feed the poor. (The roman empire wrote talking about how not only would Christians feed their own poor and beggers, but the non Christians as well.) Christianity at its core is suppose to be about love. Unfortuantely in our history, there have been people who have done terrible things in the name of Christ. However, actions like the Crusades, are actually the complete OPPOSITE of what Christianity stands for. I think Jason would tell you, that his faith very much is part of who he is. Not, so much that he's a better person than others, but that it sometimes gives him the strength to be obediant and good even when in his heart he doesn't want too. Yet, this being said. I still know a lot of people who are very good people and who are not Christians. |
Pantha | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:59 am     What I love about Jason is he sees the glass as half full instead of half empty. He frequently puts a positive spin on negative subjects and sees "the big picture" and the other side of the story. From the beginning I've been wondering if Jason is putting on the grand act. Pretty dang good if he is. |
Moedog | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:09 pm     Aren't we fortunate that Dani has the ability to discern who is evil and who isn't? She says Roddy is the devil. Didn't she say the same thing about Josh? This woman is REALLY getting on my nerves. If Jason is putting on the grand act, I agree, he's dang good at it. I think he lives his faith rather than just giving lip-service to it. |
Kearie | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:23 pm     Thanks Becca... I loved your post and I think you hit the point of what TRUE Christianity is. It's all about love. Christ was all about showing us how to love others to glorify God. As you said, Christians aren't perfect and shouldn't try to get people to believe they are perfect. Behaving in a kind, loving way speaks volumes about a persons faith. I agree that aetheists and non-Christians can also be wonderful, loving people. I must say that I see many people judging Christian's more harshly than non-Christians. As Christian's, people tend to expect us to behave in, what they percieve, a Christian manner. Expectations are often higher. When Christians fail to behave in a loving way, we call them hypocritical and judge them extrememly harshly. We often forget that they are human, with human frailties and weaknesses. Perhaps Jason's faith is stronger than Dani's. This contest they are in makes it hard for them to always behave in a loving, selfless way. Christians aren't perfect. Aetheists aren't perfect. We simply all have the weakness of selfish human nature. |
Karuuna | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:26 pm     I think Dani can make any judgment she wants to, just like all of you do.  |
Costacat | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:32 pm     I think Dani's sanctimonious BS implies she is better than Roddy because she "has faith" and he doesn't. (And it gags me to say that, cause I really don't like Roddy at all!) If she's looking for a way to justify her lyin' cheatin' ways, she oughta look again. That's all I'm saying. 'Nuff said. |
Zeyna | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:40 pm     Anyone can make a judgment, that's the easy part. The criteria a person uses to judge something/someone is a different story. |
Moedog | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:41 pm     I agree, Karuuna. I judge Dani to be a self-righteous hypocritical religious bigot. Her actions speak much louder than her words. Danielle loves to talk the talk, but when it comes to walking the walk, she's staggering and falling down all over the place. |
Foodbunny | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:43 pm     I don't know if I can even stand to turn on the live feeds anymore. I hear Danielle or Gerry and I just see red and flail around until I manage to close the window. I am so freakin' disgusted with those two that I don't know how I'm going to watch the darn show anymore. It makes me so furious, the way those two talk. |
Maris | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:45 pm     Where I have a problem with Dani is her view that unless you have found Jesus there is something wrong with you. She has made the statement more than once that someone needs to find Jesus, and she views people who are non-believers in a very negative way. It just makes my skin crawl and to me it isnt any different than fundamentalists who view non believers as close to the devil. People like Dani are dangerous. I am a to each his own person and I would rather spend my time with an open minded and decent athiest than someone who thinks that they are superior because they have a religious belief. I have a lot more respect for Jason who is deeply religious but it seems to me that his faith is private between him and his God. He doesnt stand in judgement of those that dont share his faith. |
Karuuna | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:48 pm     They're all hypocritical, Moe. What makes Dani any different? Some judge Gerry for being "nasty", when their own hygiene stinks. Some judge Josh for lying, but their own lies are apparently just part of "playing the game". Lisa wants the "good people to win." In private everyone of them has screamed and complained about everyone else screaming and complaining about everyone else. They all spend lots of time pointing out faults and shortcomings of everyone else, and very little time focusing on their own. I just don't get the point of holding out Dani to some higher test of personal consistency between her beliefs and her behavior... I'm just sayin'...  |
Costacat | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:50 pm     What happened to "do unto others"? And what happened to accepting your neighbors? And promoting tolerance? I just got caught up on the LFPs, and that constant "y'all need Jesus" statement outta Danielle's mouth makes me wanna wash her mouth out with soap! Why does she think having Jesus will "fix" someone? FWIW, I was born Jewish, baptized Lutheran, was agnostic for a really long time, Buddhist, and now consider myself a non practicing Buddhist. I do NOT go around telling people I am superior (actually, my religious background is so bizarre, I'm not sure I could! <grin>). And I for sure do not go around telling someone that y'all need to rub a Buddha's belly! |
Kearie | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:50 pm     I totally agree that Dani is not "walking the walk". I guess my point is...Why do we expect her to? Because she says she is a Christian? We expect better behaivior from her than we do from, say Josh? If she is a Christian, I trust she will suffer enough guilt for her behavior. Regardless of her faith...she is human. |
Pantha | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:52 pm     What I have noticed is when I have a problem with someone's behavior it is an indicator of concern about that same behavior in myself. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:57 pm     "Expectations are often higher. When Christians fail to behave in a loving way, we call them hypocritical and judge them extrememly harshly." I don't agree that Christians are judged any more harshly or called hypocrites any more often than anyone else that says one thing and does another. I think that the Christians who are called hypocrites are the ones who, when they set *themselves* up as "people of god", do not act accordingly. An example of that are those pedophile priests.....and the heirarchy that protected them and allowed it continue for so long. Another example (in my book) would be Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, who used the WTC tragedy to blame liberals and gays to further their own political (and money raising) agenda last year....blaming them for our country becoming so godless that the lord let this happen. I have always liked Dani, hoping her to finish in the final 2, but after hearing her use her personal faith as badge that sets her a rung above Roddy ("He is not a man of god" said in the context of whether or not he could be a man of his word) I began to dislike her. If she were a true Christian (as stated above by Becca) then she would not be judging Roddy as she was, right? That is hypocritical in my book. And not because she is a Christian, but because she wears her faith on her sleeve and then judges others. I still have great respect for Jason and I'd like to see him win the whole enchilada....not because he is a christian, but because he is a good person who has played a kind game. He's the Christian version of Jewish Ethan of Survivor.....and I don't think either of them have a hypocritical bone in their body! :-) |
Snee | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:58 pm     just a thought: wasn't roddy also being better-than-thou when he said, in his pre-show tape--'religious people are ________ ?' pp. the word might have been stupid. anyone remember? anyway, don't see this as a defense OR criticism of dani. i just want to point out that many people have the idea that they are 'right-thinking'. |
Snee | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:01 pm     sanfran: 'I still have great respect for Jason and I'd like to see him win the whole enchilada' i'd rather he win the $500k. |
Kearie | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:02 pm     I don't get the live feeds, so I don't hear all Dani's "ya'll need Jesus" outbursts. But Wow... Not even Christ walked around saying "Ya'll need me." He never tried to shove belief's down people's throats or judged them for their negative behavior and lack of belief. He was always gentle and loving. Calling people to him with kindness. I admire Jason for his behavior and his strength. I wish my faith was as strong as his. Perhaps Dani is a "baby Christian" who faulters frequently, where as Jason is a mature Christian. Dani still has a lot of growing and learning to do. My faith is more like Dani's, but I'm a Christian never-the-less. Can you tell I'm not sure if I'm defending Dani or judging her. lol |
Tortie2k | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:03 pm     I agree with you SanFran. Regardless of what you call yourself, it's how you treat others. They all play the game to some extent, and it involves either lying or errors of omission. But you don't have to be mean and Jason *has* been kind. |
Kearie | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:10 pm     I think we often judge the group of "Christians" as a whole rather than individuals. Every Christian is an indiviual just as every person in a specific race is an individual. I also must say not all priests are Christians. Are we more disgusted by the priest who molest children or by the serial child molestor. Yes, both are repulsive, but because of the expectation we put upon, so called 'religious leaders' we are more discusted by their behavior. Christianity and faith are very individual things and as Jason shows, personal. Dani's behavior is wrong, and that shows her individual, human side. Let's not judge all Christians based on the behavior of a few. Judge Dani for being Dani, not for claiming to be a Christian. |
Maris | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:11 pm     I wonder if Dani's experience is the driving force in her religious fervour and air of superiority. She was a teenage mother who obviously made a mistake and maybe because of this experience she was "saved". She may have found the structure she needed in religion. We have seen it before where death row inmates find Jesus, people who had wild lifestyles finding religion, one of the watergate conspirators became a minister. In Dani's case she seems to use her religious as a way of convincing herself that she is right, she is good. It isn't unusual to see people like that become fanatics, regardless of the religion whether it is christianity or any other. It might be a way that she has of dealing with her past mistakes. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:16 pm     "We expect better behaivior from her than we do from, say Josh?" Dani kept saying that everyone should "find Jesus" because she feels that will make them better people. Josh is not using his faith as a badge of superiority....telling everyone they should "lose" Jesus in order to be "fixed". I think some of this comes from the fact that many Christian sects use "testifying" and "witnessing" in order to convert others. I've never had a Jew knock on my door to try and convince me that I should convert to Judaism, nor have I ever had an atheist or a Buddhist do that. I think that Christians as a whole may be looked upon (by some people) as feeling superior, simply because of all the Christian denominations that are so vocal in advocating conversion to their "superior" faith. |
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