Lisa/Roddy
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Fuzzybear

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
do you think she is playing with Dani? She is opening up to enemy #1. She is telling the Kindegarten story.
You'd think if she were to open up she'd tell a more interesting story.

Misslibra

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lisa is on the Marcel and Dani team. I think she will go back and tell them all about her and Roddy's talk when they go to bed tonight. I'm a little afraid for Lisa because she is basicly all alone now and so vulnerable. She really can't afford to trust anyone.

Fuzzybear

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You think? I dunno I think she is taking a look at the big picture. Dani seems to need her right now.
I hope eric comes back...

Crazydog

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But she also said that from here on out she doesn't want to feel like she is betraying Eric. She is very concerned about what he would think. I don't think she could bring herself to cast a vote against Eric's #1 ally, especially since there is the possibility Eric might return.

Fuzzybear

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I would think she could explain to him how he voted against her but thinking out loud eric would hope so. Then again she is playing the game for him so maybe he would understand...he is in love... hi

Becca

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
All, dani has to do, though is tell Lisa all about Roddy's side deals. Roddy made a lot of deals so that he would be okay, while other alliance members take falls. Then, she can say from what I've heard, Roddy has a different final 3 for every person. Rod is not loyal to you. he gives his word to everyone and he would have messed with ERic.

Ginger

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I find is SO depressing if Lisa really does feel loyal to Roddy. My goodness, doesn't she understand that Roddy did EVERYTHING in his power to get Lisa voted out, to keep her from being vetoed, AND then once he saw that Lisa was going no where, he gave Jason the third degree for voting to keep Lisa? If this is an alliance, I wonder what a war would look like! I get it that she is crazy about Eric, but this is a game. It has NOTHING to do with the feelings she and Eric have for one another. Does she think Eric would be loyal to Chiara in this situation? Not for a second!

Wcv63

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy said one thing that I agreed with while talking to Lisa about her "promise" to Eric. He said Eric would want you to position yourself to win no matter what that might mean.

There. Vote Roddy out. He practically told you to do it Lisa.

Cameltoes

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Lisa has to pick a side. She can play them both pretty effectively at this point if she wants. Doing what's best for herself being the bottom line. At this point, I don't think voting out Roddy would be what's best for Lisa.

Maris

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa might do it if she has a sense that Dani and Marc will do it, if for no other reason to do a payback to Chiara.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it is Cameltoes and here is why; both Roddy and Chiara feel as if Lisa is an expendable member of whatever alliance they had formed. Should Roddy continue pressing forward he is setting himself up well in the endgame and he has no intention of bringing a woman along with him.

Lisa's best bet is to try to form some kind of fragile girl's alliance, see who comes back in from the twist, and then create a stronger alliance with those that have no clearcut ties.

This is much better positioning than if she maintained as the weaklink and bottom man on the totem pole in a crumbling alliance.

Maisie52

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 09:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They would all be so smart to vote Roddy out. All Dani and Marcellas need is one more solid vote and they got him. I thought Jason was on their team. Cant they just get him to vote Roddy and they they would have 3 solid votes. They all need to stop worrying about friendships and words. I am a loyal person but this is a game for alot of money. In the goodbyes all they need to do is tell him that Roddy would have done the same thing. It is not personal. No one has a chance against Roddy in the end so strategically they need to get rid of him. Plain and simple. As much as many of them say that they are not playing for the money, that is such bull. And if it is true, then they should not be in the game.... I really like Roddy but they would be crazy not to get rid of him.

Maris

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 09:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason will never go back on his word and he gave his word to Chiara. Dani and Marcs best bet is Gerry. Marc had it right, Gerry will follow anyone who throws him a bone.

Maisie52

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point Maris. But Gerry has gone back on his word already in the Veto thing. I can understand why Dani and Marc would be cautious to do it right now. But if they dont do it this week, I fear that it would be their last chance.

Cameltoes

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm thinking more in terms of week to week survival. Josh is more likely to put her up next week if he is HOH. Roddy seems more likely to go after Dani/Marc/Jason. Those 3 do have a vested interest in getting Roddy out but 2 of them have made deals they won't likely back out of. That creates a situation where there are fall guys. If Lisa, Marc and Gerry were to vote out Roddy (for instance) they take the fall while D & J reap the benefits. Meanwhile, Lisa can realign to her advantage after Josh leaves (and after they know who the returning HG is).

Maris

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Agree, but I think they can get Gerry. I dont believe Gerry would every go back on his word to Dani or Marc and I dont believe he would repeat their conversations to Roddy. They have nothing to lose by trying to enlist Gerry. Dani started working on him last night. Wait till after the POV to see what the strategies are.

If I was in the game I would do nothing till after the POV competition and you know what you are dealing with. No point in campaigning to evict Roddy and then Josh vetos him.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy promoted Jason to Eric-status and Jason will not vote against Roddy in this go round. That makes him a closer ally to Roddy than Lisa.

If Lisa votes to save Josh she can use that to her advantage with him.

I don't know Cameltoes. Perhaps we're both right. Perhaps we're both wrong.

Cameltoes

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Dani will go back on her word either. This has been an important point for her. She may say she will but it's only to get others to do so. If they want Roddy out the best option is to have Gerry win veto and use it to save Josh. I don't know that Gerry would do that at this point. With Josh gone, he becomes the "most hated" one who is dragged along a couple weeks (at least). The only way getting Roddy out would work and keep them all on equal footing is if they all break their word. I don't think that will happen and I don't think they trust one another enough to depend on it.

Maris

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani can say that she is not going back on her word and use the Chiara defense which is not unlike the Twinkie Defense. "Josh told me that Roddy was targetting me next" Our agreement is not valid because I didnt know that Roddy was really going after me.

Dani can also say that Chiara lied to her when she asked her about voting Eric out. Therefore her word is meaningless when she gives it to someone who lies and plots against her.