Archive through August 08, 2002
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Archive through August 08, 2002
Jhezzie | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:02 am     Hehehehe... |
Snee | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:08 am     HEY! there seems to be too much agreement around here! where has the argument gone? are we getting soft, or what? (snee suspects that the argument may well start up at any moment, and certainly will come morning...) |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:11 am     Goddess146- "One can not extract any behavior expectations from a Christian any more than one could from one being a Muslim, Hindu, Agnostic, etc." So true....but even if one was a "perfect" example of a "good Christian", exactly which type of Christian would that be? The Pope, Jerry Falwell, Bill Clinton, the pastor of the local MCC church (a Christian Church that ministers to many gay Christians), Billy Graham? They are ALL "Christians" and yet many of their religious beliefs are as varied as if they were entirely different religions. |
Vancouvergirl | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:09 am     I had to crash last night, but read all the debate, opinions and input that my original entry has mustered. There are some really very good points said about religion and christianity. I like how the politics is brought into it, with reference to Bush and Clinton. And I agree about how Jesus hung out with lepers, and prostitutes. I really do wonder how Jesus would act in a situation like this. Perhaps he may not have been placed in the BB3 house to win money, but maybe to win souls? I think that integrity and honesty have always been issues inside the BB house, last season and now (with Marcellas' HOH nomination speech) so I think each individual HG questions their morals and values as they make decisions in the house. Obviously they all feel very upset and guilty when as HOH they must choose to evict someone. I am fascinated and thrilled by the feedback that this issue has raised. I think Jason's christianity in this game is simply a difference of his character that makes it more interesting - just like Dani being a mom, or Marcellas being a homosexual or Josh being Jewish or Eric being a firefighter. Each difference shapes who these people are and how we analyze their actions. For example: since 9/11 most people have a greater respect for firefighters and may treat many of them much differently than before 9/11. It is very hard for us to not judge them, as that is why the producers and show execs have put them in this game and given us all opportunity to watch them. I think they expect us to judge and analyze them like hamsters in a cage. Sometimes it can be hurtful tho - remember the woman first kicked off the 2nd survivor - how she was criticized for marrying her dead husbands son? How she cried on the reunion show and said the media and public made her life miserable. I hope that does not happen to anyone with BB3. JMO - |
Vancouvergirl | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:12 am      |
Foodbunny | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:20 am     I think the thing I'm confused about here is that Jason is not the only Christian in the house. Josh is Jewish, Roddy is atheist, but it's a pretty safe bet that the rest of the house considers themselves Christian, even if in a vague, non-denominational way. It's considered more of an issue for Jason because he's been cast that way (all the shots of him in front of his church) and because it comes up in relation to his virginity all the time. But I don't think that's a good reason for it to be more of an issue. He's going to play how he's going to play and that doesn't really reflect on his faith to me. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:50 am     "Perhaps he may not have been placed in the BB3 house to win money, but maybe to win souls?" OMIGOD!....Waitaminute....that's what the "here and now" is supposed to be isn't it?....a fishbowl existence for an omnipotent supreme being who is everywhere at once, and can watch us and judge us? Then when we get "evicted" we either go on to our "reward" or that "other place", right? We are all in Christianity's Big Brother House RIGHT NOW! (Well, I suppose if you believe that sort of thing....the similarities are really pretty funny, though) :-) JMO |
Vancouvergirl | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 11:47 am     IMO: Life is "a fishbowl existence for an omnipotent supreme being who is everywhere at once, and can watch us and judge us." As a christian, my minister tries to instill a sense of duty on his congregation's part to remind people of Jesus and God and to let people be aware of their existence in today's world. Last night, my husband said "you should never discuss religion, with anyone, any time, ever. You are just setting yourself up for ridicule and hurt." I guess I'm an idealist and hope that people can discuss openly and objectively about it. Perhaps I was trying to raise awareness and support of christianity and basically just chose the wrong time and place. I know I've read in other threads about Jason's christianity and thought he is a good role model and provides a good reason to discuss the whole christian subject. Opinion is just that - there is no right or wrong. Just ideas, thoughts and feelings. |
Foodbunny | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 11:57 am     I'm an atheist. Thanks to the Cold War there's a lot of bad feelings towards atheism in America. I let people know I am an atheist so they can see by my example that we aren't all baby-eating communists, but I never try to change anyone's mind about their own personal beliefs. Simply because it annoys me to no end when people try to change me. |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 11:59 am     This thread reminds me of an old joke where Jesus and Moses are playing a game of golf. Don't remember the joke exactly but do remember that Moses parted the water to get at a water ball and Jesus ultimately won the whole enchilada. The point is that you use the tools available to you when playing a game. And as SanFran has pointed out, this is a game involving manipulation, misinformation and strategy. I think Jason's Christianity and morality are basises for how he lives his life. Not for how he plays this game. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:05 pm     Vancouver - I had an idea that you might've been using this forum to "witness" or preach but didn't want to make any accusations. The thing with religion is that everyone believes in their own faith (or their lack of belief in any organized religion ) as strongly and with as much conviction and heartfelt truth as you believe in yours. "Opinion is just that - there is no right or wrong. Just ideas, thoughts and feelings." Exactly....I agree 100%. I think that one's belief in a particular religion is his or her "opinion" of where the truth actually lies in all of the world's theology and writings, past and present. That is JMO...since it is my strongly held belief...a belief which cannot be "proven" one way or another, just as any particular religion cannot be "proven" one way or another. |
Bohawkins | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:06 pm     Like, if you had, like Superman and Batman in the house? Like, who would win then? Huh? |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:08 pm     Bohawkins...obviously Superman. He can fly. Unless Batman has access to kryptonite. But that might be considered cheating.  |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:10 pm     "Don't remember the joke exactly but do remember that Moses parted the water to get at a water ball and Jesus ultimately won the whole enchilada." Was it this one?: When it was Jesus' turn to tee off, he hit the ball into the rough, where it bounced off a rock and as it rolled back onto the green, a bird snatched it up and dropped it into the hole. An onlooker looked to Moses and said "Who does this guy think he is....Jesus Christ?". Moses replied. "He KNOWS he's Jesus Christ.....but he THINKS he's Arnold Palmer!" |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:11 pm     Superman, of course...he has super hearing....no plotting could get past him! :-) |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:11 pm     LOL...SanFran, I think that's it! |
Foodbunny | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:14 pm     What about Aliens vs Predator in the house? |
Ryn | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:16 pm     I think batman and superman are going to fight in an upcoming movie (really). |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:17 pm     "What about Aliens vs Predator in the house? " Hmmmmm....I don't think "Alien" would have much of a chance against Shannon! |
Foodbunny | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:17 pm     Yeah Ryn, as well as Freddie vs Jason and Aliens vs Predator. Hollywood is out of ideas. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:18 pm     Personally, I'd like to see Eric Cartman vs Bart Simpson in the final 2. (Oh yeah.....and it would be fun watching them break all the rules and drive the BB producers insane!) LOL |
Crossfire | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:18 pm     Batman vs Superman? No contest. Not even a challenge for the man of steel. |
Vancouvergirl | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:26 pm     Well I have no intention of "preaching" or changing any one's minds, beliefs or feelings. To each, their own. But here's a thought: Does anyone think that Jason, being a christian will help him to win? Like, is faith or God on his side? |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:29 pm     Vancouver, no I don't think God is on his side in the game of BB. God has bigger problems than who wins BB. BUT, God is on his side in life and that will certainly help him succeed in that arena. Jason's Christianity is certainly a part of his character and a part of his life. I think just "being Jason" will help him win because of who he is and how he plays. |
Oregonfire | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:31 pm     But that's not fair if Superman won, because he's just from another planet. His superpowers have nothing to do with hard work and persistence, unlike Batman, who must adapt new technology and keep after the Joker who killed his parents.(I had this same discussion about Batman and Spiderman last month in the general discussion area.) This is my favorite pet subject. I think I should be an extra in a Kevin Smith movie. Does anyone know the King Missile song "Jesus Was Way Cool"? Favorite line from the song: Jesus could score more goals than Wayne Gretzky. |
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