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Crossfire

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Vancouvergirl: Depends, have we confirmed the existence of God yet? If their is one, is Jason on his good side?

I would say since he is getting in alliances and whatnot, he fully intends to pull this off with more than faith.

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No, I don't think god will help him win. (I don't believe in god.)

But....I DO think that Jason has a moral/social standard that he is maintaining quite well. That standard would likely be a great deal of help to him in the final vote if he makes it that far.....but it may also be his undoing if the others all decide he is "too good" to go up against in the final 2.

Ryn

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eddie wins...

Will wins....

The Lord moves in mysterious ways....

Nutsy

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
At the risk of sounding mean, which I absolutely am not trying to be ... I think God, no make that I HOPE God has bigger fish to fry than what's going on in BB3. Perhaps directing a little attention to the middle-east, let's say? Remember, I said this with love.

Ryn

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I knew I heard it somewhere ;)

Superman, Batman: Superenemies?
by Josh Grossberg
Jul 9, 2002, 3:05 PM PT

Batman and Superman, Superfriends no more?

Warner Bros. has confirmed it's developing Superman vs. Batman, a film that could not only launch a new superhero franchise for the studio but also will cinematically answer one of the great bar bets of all time: Who would win a fight between the Caped Crusader and the Man of Steel?

The movie will follow Superman and Batman as they join forces to battle as-yet-to-be determined villains. Along the way, however, the two A-list superheroes wind up butting heads over their varying approaches to crimefighting.


Full Story on E!Online

Crossfire

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow, I just don't see how Batman would last even a single round with Superman. Anyone but superman, and sign me up for front row seats.

Wcv63

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SanFran that is what I was TRYING to say. Thank you for actually saying it! (Well all except the part about not believing in God!)

Curlyq

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nutsy, that didn't sound mean at all, but I think God can fry big fish and little fish at the same time. I think He's interested in the details of each person's life, no matter how insignificant it seems. Seeing as how this game is going to have an impact (and for one of them a very big impact) on their lives, I think He's paying attention. Nevertheless, I don't think that means Jason will win because perhaps God knows there's some reason it would be in his best interest not to.

Mystari

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My problem with Vecepia was not her faith

Remember - Christians are HUMAN too and therefore have HUMAN faults.

My problem was that she prayed to God to win a game, and that to me seems to be extremely self-serving.

Wiseolowl

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"but on the other hand Jesus died for our sins so we have already been forgiven". Vancouver have some trouble with this. It implies that we have the authority to consciously sin with the knowledge that all we have to do is seek forgiveness afterwards and everything will be ok.
speaking as an Anglican Christian - which may be an oxymoron to some fundamentalists

Becca

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We have the authority to conciously sin. I don't know about that, I think um, real repentance is being very sorry that you will never do it again. A lot of fundamentalists forget that we have a God of grace. However, I think we also have to remember that it is wrong to take advantage of God's grace, too. Besides, we never know our time is up, so we have to be very careful about things like that. For example, what if I decided (in the Bible it's a sin) to sleep with my boyfriend, and I say, oh don't worry, I'll just ask for repentance later? Do you realize how wrong and evil it would be for me to give that excuse? But, lets say I die in a car accident on the way home? We have to be very careful about this. No, it doesn't mean I think we have to go around living our live in fear what if I sin and I die. but, I don't think God ever ever gives us the authority to sin. Sin in God's eyes is unacceptable. It doesn't mean that God can't forgive that, but it means that there is more to forgive than just the one sin.

Crossfire

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, if you are going to believe in a God, at least don't go around thinking it is a stupid one. He can see you cross your fingers behind you back. Somehow, I doubt that counts.

Wiseolowl

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Becca I agree. At the time of judgement our lives will be examined in full. I just don't think that our sins have been "pre forgiven" so that we can live our lives on that assumption

Azriel

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't remember her exact words, but I cringed when Dani told the DR that her and Jason had an advantage because they had 'God on their side'

I'm a Christian and I do feel like 'God is on my side'. I even say a little prayer every Wednesday and Saturday that my powerball numbers come up...

BUT, I wouldn't jump on here and tell you all that I'm winning the Powerball jackpot this weekend cuz 'God is on my side'

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
" It implies that we have the authority to consciously sin with the knowledge that all we have to do is seek forgiveness afterwards"

Personally, I don't think I am able to sin at all. I don't believe in it, so how could I do it?

It would be sort of like me believing that I could insult Homer Simpson.....if I don't believe he's real, then I can't insult him. Even if I did *believe* he was real....I still couldn't insult Homer....unless he actually existed. (However, I do not beleve that he does.)

:-) Yes, that was me being a bit of a wiseass....but I didn't do it to insult any believers out there. I just said that to illustrate how ideas (like sinning) have no substance to those of us who do not believe in the dogma from which they originated.

My philosopy ("religion" if you want to call it that) is to just try and be a good person, to try not to hurt others, and to try to be honest with myself. It doesn't matter whether I believe a story that was written a couple of thousands of years ago by people that thought the earth was flat. I also don't think that anyone is watching me and judging me....except for ME. My own conscience is my guide. (I may just be lucky that I actually have a conscience....some folks don't). My own personal growth and fulfillment comes from my actions of trying to be a good person....not the "action" of simply believing a story that was written 2 thousand years ago.

It looks to me that Jason has pretty much the same idea, as shown by his actions and his relationships in that house....but he also believes in stories that I do not subscribe to.

JMO

Bohawkins

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason (the other one) and Freddy will be in a new movie.

{http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?}

Bohawkins

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason (the other one) and Freddy will be in a new movie.

Here is the link (I cannot figure out how to format this, since the formatting instructions are not available)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/08/06/state0444EDT0027.DTL&type=movies

Laffy

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i believe there is a God, and i trust he understands us a lot better than we understand Him.

i do believe one can sin, but i believe it is very hard to do unless one has that specific intent.

i also believe that people interpret what may have been said to one person in the bible as a statement meant for all of us. that is not necessarily so. the God i believe in speaks to each of us directly, through our hearts, and is not into making vast generalizations for all to follow. that's why he gave us free will.

once again, that's my opinion and, no doubt, not that of the majority.

Carter

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 05:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
for those who believe that GAWD is watching how jason is doing in the BB and is concerned for his welfare - why wasnt he there protecting those young girls raped and murdered. (guess he just has too much to do watching who wins at lottery or the monday night football game ) the gawd thing is the biggest hoax ever perperated on humans. for those who believe the earth is only 6400 years old check out ur science museums.. sure jason is a christian and a great person but i am a great person also and i dont believe in any mystical gawd, budda, zues, or such

Lurknomore

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 07:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Carter...without getting into a big religious debate I have 2 words for you...FREE WILL.

We were all given free will and choice to live as we decide and then own and be responsible for those actions. I respect your belief (or lack thereof), but some of us do not believe in a God that sits in judgement on a throne or is a policeman as you referred to. The choices are all ours, and so are the lessons we learn both individually and as a society, from those choices. If someone believes, as I do, in a much bigger picture than life here, than it's easy to look at things here much as a parent would let a child burn their hand on a stove to learn not to do it again.

Oregonfire

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 08:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh boy, has this thread rose from the dead? Now I really do believe in the resurrection.

Ellenkats

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk -- I agree (or should I have said 'amen?')
:-)
Free will is the greatest gift we have -- we should use it wisely. I read through the whole thread -- thought folks did well speaking their peace without being pushy about it. Now, where is that politics thread....

Crossfire

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting that free will would come up all of a sudden. Earlier someone was commenting on Roddy/Chiara's tactics, and the point came up that with the threat of being killed by Chiara, or put on the block, people really had no choice, but to agree not to evict Roddy.

The same scenario happens in the BIG picture. The point being, how can we possibly exercise free will when we have the brimstone and fire scenario backing up the big rules. If one accepts the scripture, we really have no reasonable choice at all.

Ellenkats

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 09:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cross (hmmm, shortened, yours is a strange name to address this to) but christians avoid the 'brimstone and fire' you mentioned by focussing on G-d's grace (forgiveness). The irony of your response, is that to believe that "brimstone and fire' exist, you must also believe that a reward is also possible. If you don't really believe there is a G-d, then you aren't living in fear since you don't accept there is any reason for such a fear (i.e. future fire and brimstone). That choice of believing however you believe is exercising your free will. Incidently, christians would say the choice is for G-d and not so much a choice against death (hellfire). It would be difficult for a christian (imo) to sustain a faith that was built soley on fear. Faith is built upon believing there is more than just what we can see around us -- an infinite 4th dimensional eternity with G-d is awaiting. I would argue your free will is exercised by whatever you choose to believe.

Vancouvergirl

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It is my understanding that if God truly does exist, then he knows every piece of our being, knows how many hairs are on our head and knows our deepest thoughts, feelings and fears. So if he did exist his holy spirit would be with Jason and the others in the house, as well as the teens who were kidnapped and homeless people and everyone in the world, fortunate and less fortunate.

That is a very good argument, because if he exists, he is a very unforgiving God. Many can not fathom his existence because of the awful things that happen in this world - We have all heard people say "How could God ever let that happen?" or "there is no God, for if there was he would end such evil."


As far as the "story written 2 thousand years ago" it can be interpretted as more than a story. It can be a guide for the future. What happens in our life today, as christians may believe, is inevitable, as God has already planned our lives out to a "T", including the evil and awful things. Perhaps there is nothing we could do as a nation, country or force to stop what is happening in the east - assuming that their battle has been going on since the very days that the "2 thousand year old story" was written. Making that story is very relevant to today's history.

I think that having a good conscience is very similar to hearing God's word speak to us in our hearts. Sometimes I think it is as easy as "black and white" or "salt and pepper". Plain as "good and evil" and most people know the difference, but some people choose to do evil even though they know it is wrong. FREE WILl is a very good point because we all have the opportunity to choose to believe what we want, and act upon those beliefs accordingly.

But getting back to the house, I don't think that being deceptive or misleading in the game is necessarily evil, or is it?