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Archive through July 27, 2002
Bastable | Friday, July 26, 2002 - 04:46 pm     I think it may end up being an America's Choice question... we vote IN the HG we want to see back in the house. Hey, in UK BB, the producers have a few "alternates" on tap in case one of the original contestants is eliminated (they are much more stringent with the rules over there and have kicked out contestants just for talking about stuff they shouldn't have been). So does anyone know if the UK alternates are sequestered? And if so, for how long into the game before they are let go--if at all? I would think that keeping someone in a hotel with no outside contact for two months would border on cruelty. |
Abby7 | Friday, July 26, 2002 - 04:46 pm     Roddy is saying (from live feeds) that Arnold Shapiro assured him that evicted HGs could see BB3 and the live feeds. Roddy said that this is very important to him so that the evicted HGs could see who is lying. Some of you are saying they are sequestered. It would appear that way....but how do you know that? Are you just guessing? I guess they could be sequestered and still allowed to watch BB3. |
Tabbyking | Friday, July 26, 2002 - 04:50 pm     maybe they could say, 'now that these people have been voted out, who do you most regret voting out as a whole?' and then, bada bing! that person re-joins the group! |
Sunlit | Friday, July 26, 2002 - 05:11 pm     The camera *was* on Tonya a long time. I was thinking, "Why does Julie keep struggling on these questions?" They were leading questions at that. Does anyone remember what she asked? I swear I could see the very edge of T's nips coming out of her shirt. I didn't want to see that. Even though I was looking hard at first, thinking, "No way that's... yes it is!" uuuuuuh. Monica's voice was in my head, "No she didn't!" (read: didddddn't) I think it was all that hugging. Especially Josh's completely over the top butt smacking. Messed up T's clothes. Wrinkled the little bitty things all up. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but they seem to have added more mood music to the show this year- the old, "Let's give the audience an emotional tug whenever possible." I don't like AS trying to help me interpret scenes that are right in front of my eyes. Music can always get to me. With BB, I want to cling to the reality part as much as I can. Coming here, I find a semblance of it. FOTH has become the blank time normally occupied by commercials. There is only partial "live" when dealing with BB. And I want to know about whatever bit I can. Go away, house image. Take me inside. |
Gritss | Friday, July 26, 2002 - 05:11 pm     I'm not sure where the 100 days thing came from. The first Sat on the LFs, the HGs were discussing that they would be in the house 12 weeks, 11 more to go from that point. That would make the final date Sept 28th. |
Classycassfan | Friday, July 26, 2002 - 06:08 pm     I don't see it being an America's Choice question. Arnie doesn't want us in the game, or he would of let us see more of the feeds. JMHO
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Lurknomore | Friday, July 26, 2002 - 06:27 pm     Not only that I can't see Arnie and CBS paying all the money to squester HG's just to ask who we want to see back in. Has to be more important than that. But why not wait till some people we might want BACK are out of the house (like after this week SOB) |
Pamy | Friday, July 26, 2002 - 06:42 pm     I think As knows Mar and Amy are good tv, so I think he will do whatever he can come up with to keep them in the game. I can't see him keeping the evictees isolated for the rest of the show when no money is involved, so I think his 'plan' for evictees will come into play soon
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Pulk | Friday, July 26, 2002 - 06:44 pm     About when BB3 ends, perhaps CBS will pair the finale with the premiere of Survivor 5 on September 19. |
Curlyq | Friday, July 26, 2002 - 06:53 pm     Gritss, regarding the 100 days, I believe even the HGs are aware of it because one of them (Josh I think) referred to the girls' behavior as a 100-day lap dance. Maybe they just can't do math to figure out that this is more than 12 weeks. I think they're just assuming. I know I had read that this ends in mid-October, but I haven't found that article yet. I did find this quote from another article right here at TVCH. It was taken from thestar.com. It also mentions the 100 days. "They seem to be a hot-to-trot lot who, during the next 100 days, will likely rub up against each other while rubbing each other the wrong way." |
Kaili | Friday, July 26, 2002 - 08:09 pm     Well, maybe this has already been discussed, but 12 people times a week each is 84 days. They were in the house a few days before the show started (I can't remember how many days though...) and the first week was more than a week because Lisa was HOH more than 7 days. Then again we would need to subtract 7 days since it will end with 2 people still in... Nevermind! I don't know how many days prior they were in so I have no idea. If 100 days islong though, it isn't really that extended...I don't think...? |
C1mag | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 03:39 am     Has anyone thought that maybe a Shapiro surprise is that he sits the remaining players down and the TV starts and they show several private conversations that each of them are having? Now that would throw EVERYTHING into a crazy mess. |
Halfunit | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 05:46 am     I really don't think that money would be an issue for sequestering HG's... Even if AS had to pay full rate, it's peanuts to him. There might even be a blurb during the last show thanking the hotel for its accomodations which is priceless advertising in exchange for hotel service. More than likely, if the XHG's are holed up it is at a reduced rate, or perhaps even comped completely. I'm sure that CBS has their share of available rooms at any given time for a flat fee, or something they've worked out ahead of time at an annual rate. Heck, they probably own a hotel for all I know...... |
Britchick | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 07:08 am     Bastable - as far as I know, the selection process for UK BB gets down to a final 24. Then the actual 12 housemates are selected from this pool but the other 12 who do not go in at first are all available as alternates during the entire span of the show, ready to go in at any time. They are *not* sequestered at all - when Tim went in to replace Sandy (who escaped over the roof) he had watched the first 3-4 weeks of the show, knew the results of the soccer world cup etc. However, the rules are much stricter over here and it was completely against the rules for him (or the other alternate who came into the house, Sophie) to discuss events in the outside world since the beginning of the show or to discuss their knowledge of the show so far. However, this doesn't prevent them from being able to use their knowledge of the housemates, the relationships and popularity on the outside. Tim clearly decided to ally himself strongly with Alex partly based on mutual interests (which he could judge from having watched the show) and partly because he knew of Alex's huge popularity outside the house. It's not a foolproof plan though, but does slightly alter the nature of the game when an alternate is brought in. Tim did get into trouble for trying to tell the others in code about the World Cup results (talking in code is also against the rules). Another feature is that the alternates cannot tell anyone that they are BB alternates - in UK BB1, when Nasty Nick was kicked out for breaking the rules, they had an alternate lined up to replace him but her name got into the press and so the producers dropped her and put someone else in. The secrecy aspect is really important here. Hope that answers your questions - I don't see why that couldn't work in the US version too since there is the notion of penalty nominations this year which would allow for punishment of someone who broke the rules. However, I agree that the producers are not keen in the US to give the audience much control over the game - they seem to have things too clearly set up for that. |
Grannygrunt | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 07:31 am     Just a thought and this may already have been mentioned but maybe whoever wins the veto can bring back one who has been evicted. Take for instance, it seems a done deal that Amy is going. What if whoever wins the veto gets to bring back Tonya? instead of protecting Mar or Amy. Then the HG total is back to 11 and thus another week could be added to the show since no one was actually evicted this week. Just a thought. And they may save that for a few weeks down the road when it would maybe be more important to girls and guys who gets to come back. |
Alaginger | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 07:52 am     I have a Big Brother Dream. Imagine this!!! After 6 evictions, Big Brother announces to the remaining 6 HG's that there is to be a contest between them based on Q&A about the 6 evicted HG's. The first 3 to lose are out the door. Then the previously evicted 6 HG's are gathered together and told they have a challenge of endurance, or an egghunt with their initials, or whatever....and that the 3 winners are going back into the house. What a shake-up that would be!!! |
Grannygrunt | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 08:01 am     If only they(AS and CBS) would let us help write the script.............we could really make things rattle and roll.............LOL. We have all had good ideas to make this whole "control" thing be more even. Wouldn't the HG's just love us. Talk about manipulation. We are the kings of that. |
Jesse | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 08:44 am     We need somebody local to hang out at the hotel pools and see if any of the sequestered HGs are out sunning . . . if they are spoted, that hotel would be the place to fly banners LOL! |
Bohawkins | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 08:50 am     The dynamic jury concept: The best situation will involve sequestered evictees. This seems easy to execute, perhaps with all of them in an alternate bb house. This is the number one show in the country right now (or number two the night Friends is on), so they have the budget. They would be allowed dvd's to watch, books to read, but no current events and no computer access. Most important, they would be able to see everything in the house on large plasma screens, plus all the tapes of everything including diary room discussions. With that setup, I can see an active jury scenario, starting right away, made up of the evicted guests. As we all know, a final jury of evicted houseguest decided the winner last year (as is done on Survivor). The new dynamic jury's votes would be counted equally along with the remaining houseguests votes. Their power would extend progressively giving the jury more and more power up until the end when they have it all. What is interesting about this approach is that the proportionate power in the house would swing week by week to the evicted guests rather than wait until the end. A variation might be that somewhere early along the line (instead of with just the final two), the jury becomes the only vehicle for eviction and houseguests don't vote. Perhaps that might be when four are left. With the jury starting to have (but building each week) their power, the dynamics of the house would change. What a houseguest says about others behind their backs will no longer only be significant at the end, but at each week's vote. Consider that Amy is evicted, and joined Tonya and Lori, they would now be like a real jury in a court of law, in other words "triers of fact," armed with the real information about who is deceptive, who is worthy, who is loyal. Roddy and Eric would be joining them soon. Of course, it might turn the place into sweetness and light like bb1, with everyone afraid to say a bad thing about anyone. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:31 am     I'd like to see this as the twist: At some point, the winner of the veto power would have not only the power to veto a nominee....but also to replace that vetoed nominee with an ex HG! Whether they get to choose the ex HG or it's a totally random selection....it could prove to be interesting either way. Just a thought... ...And I still like the idea of the HG that is not evicted, automatically becoming the next HOH...(that was something I was hoping for LAST year!) |
Tabbyking | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:39 am     sanfran, that is a great idea to have the non-evicted nominee become the next HoH...but i'm sure some of the current 'crop' (there's that word, again, bob...) of 'corny' guests couldn't find their way out of a paper bag, let alone have to think of 2 totally different things when they voted: who do i want out and what will happen when the other person becomes HoH.... |
Draheid | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:58 am     How about, instead of (or in addition to) the Power of Veto competition, they enact a new competition, The Power Of Resurection whereby, the winner gets to choose, among all evicted Big Brother contestants (past and present, preferably), to (re)join the house. Of course this would be a mandatory selection... another ... I think I'm up to 50 cents by now!  |
Hawaiiandew | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:22 am     They have extra money they didn't have to give Jason and Lori so they could offer money for one of the houseguests to leave and then bring back one of the evicted houseguest to take their place. |
Hardywins | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:23 am     Having a previously evicted HG return is really fruitless. At that point, they will be completely without any friends in the house, no partners, no power base; and they will again be soon evicted again. Pointless. With Survivor, all the evictees are sequestered nearby for the remaining part of the 39 days of the taping of the show. They are not allowed to view anything about the show but they do, as we've seen attend the next eviction ceremony to see how the remaining contestants handle the possibility of eviction under pressure. No other knowledge about the contestants is allowed until the final vote. The problem with BB evictees, last year espeially, was that they were allowed to follow the show and read the media; changing many of their opinions. They saw Nicole's hysterical bouts and the humor and wit of of Will Kirby played off against her. If they had not seen that, then it is doubtful that they would have voted for Will over Nicole. Until the last 2 or 3 weeks; most of the evictees hated Will and would have voted Nicole to win the big prize. If Shapiro is going to sequester the evictees and not allow them any new knowledge about the show; they will only be able to vote how they felt about a particular ending player at the time they left. That would certainly keep the game more controlled and faithful to what the evictees learned themselves while inside the house. BTW: The Hampsters entered the house sometime on July 5. Due to tech difficulties, most people could get no live feeds until sometime on the 11th. No secret alliances seem to have formed during that time that have gone un-revealed so far such as last years Hardy, Monica, Krista "Untouchables" Pact. |
Delilah | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:49 am     This is the blurb from Kent's website:
Quote:Arnold told Kent he could do exit interviews but... this just in CBS has announced that no evictees will not be available for interviews for at least a few weeks. What's up? Why are evicted house guests going into seclusion? Stay tuned for details. When they become available, you will see Kent's interviews right here with the help of BB3 Online.
It is interesting to me because it does not state a set amount of time, the wording is "at least a few weeks." If the purpose of sequestering them was so they couldn't see anything that is going on in the house until the end, they would have to be sequestered for the duration of the show, that is ridiculous. I would also assume that they cannot be "held against their will" so they must have known about this before the entered the house and signed a contract. Roddy has stated that the evictees can see the feeds etc...so perhaps they are only seeing what Arnie wants them to see. It is pointless to sequester them for a few weeks and then allow them access to tv, live feeds etc...the "at least a few weeks" translates to me that they are somehow going to be involved in the show again. OK, a few weeks means 3 perhaps? So three or four evicted HGs are sequestered, why? What is the point? It appears to me that they either return or are involved in a game or something on the show. I wish they would reveal this "twist" soon because inquiring minds want to know!  |
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