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Dagny

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 11:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't figure out if she is true to her alliance with Jason.

Could she beat Jason at the end?? (I don't know)

Does she think she can? (why does she think that?)

Or is she just playing Jason, stringing him along until she no longer needs him?

Bmh

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 11:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont think she is playing Jason..but I dont think her intentions are to bring Jason into the finals with her..Im not really sure what she is thinking

Battlestar

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 11:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
that girl is working so many angles, it is really hard to tell who her final choice is.

My bet is she wants to see him in the final three--then she blows HOH for that week and the other person will knock out Jason because he is unbeatable.

Oregonfire

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 11:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think she wants her own personal right-hand man, a la the Roddy/Eric relationship. I'm sure she has other reasons though too. She's a wild card. Keep this woman in the game!

Dagny

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 11:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So who does she want to be the final 3?

(it has to be either Jerry or Josh)

But would they vote her out then?

Zeyna

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 11:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Funny how most people assumes that Jason would win over anyone. It really depends on what the HGs are looking for in a player. It could be who they personally connected with, who was the best "player", who never lied, who needs money the most, etc. Everyone has different criteria.

Dagny

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 11:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zenya...it's the house guest that all say they wouldn't want to go up against Jason.. I have no idea whether or not he could beat Dani or not.. That's why I asked....what do you all think?

Zeyna

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 11:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dagny, that's what I meant - they're all assuming that Jason would win over anyone. But they should try and read what each person is looking for.
I don't see Danny winning just because she's been a very different person in house vs DR. I don't see anyone appreciating that at the end.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 11:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
During a convo just now with Marc, Dani told Marc to keep something to himself and not tell Jason. She said Jason was their eyes and ears. Hmmmm...does Marc think he's got the exclusive over Jason? Did Dani make that deal with him?

Missy2

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know what? I totally believe that Dani wants it to be her Jay in the finals. She is playing the game better than anyone else in that she is thinking further ahead. This sudden "girlpower" thing is because she had no control over Eric. AND If kiki uses the power of veto on Lisa, Gerry will probably nominate either her or Jason. He will not nominate Marc, Josh, or Roddy (can't kiki). So it leaves her and Jay, and since Gerry did the whole racist thing---he will end up nominating her boy - Jay. And guess who's going over Jay and Eric? Hopefully Eric would but you never know with those people. But I think she already convince Chiara to not use it.

Hmm..I just went off sorry. But I really think she wants to make it to the finals with Jay, and from there she is probably thinking...Let the best man or woman win. I think Jay is great but her game is much better.

Gina8642

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it is funny that we all will take anything a HG has to say seriously.

Did it ever occur to you that Dani is lying to whoever it is she is talking to? Perhaps manipulating opinion. Perhaps trying to lessen a connection between Jason and herself in the minds of the other HGs.

Not to say she really IS intending to take Jason to the finals. But, just because she says one time - "I will put Jason against Josh if I win HOH" does not mean she will really do it.

I think Dani is safe enough to avoid winning the next HOH. Only players in risk of being put up should go for HOH. Gerry needed to win, so did Marc the week before. Dani should avoid it for now.

Think strategy, think manipulation.

Don't think anyone is actually saying what they would do.

Bmh

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I kind of agree with you Missy..I mean if it was Jason and Dani in the finals..and nobody say DR entries..then it might be closer than you think..Marcellas and Amy both said they would vote for Dani in the finals against Jason because she deserves it..and Im sure most of the women would vote for Dani..but who knows..anything could happen...
Oh and ya I think Marcie thinks Dani is her 1st ally and Jason is #2 but it is the other way around in the long run..

Seamonkey

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think she's playing Marcellas, and everyone else, but somewhere last night in the feed reporting it seemed to me that Jason was throwing out Marcellas' name in a way that might put M back on the block. Misquoting him, in one case.

I went to bed last night with a whirling mind. seems like they are all playing so hard.

Roddy.. I really hate the way he manipulates.. the way he DEMANDS that the very people he's wronged should come to HIM for support and make HIM feel alright. (Lisa, Eric, Marcellas, Amy come to mind instantly.. and he also jerks Chiara's chain constantly).

He's like a core of very bright, egocentric kids who were in my advanced classes in high school.. many of them ended up pretty unhappy (one actually jumped off a building within a year of graduation).. they were cruel to the max.

I don't see Roddy as a very happy person.

Draheid

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle may be thinking (and IMO, she'd be right) that playing the game as she is will earn her the top money just as it did with Will last year. Played the BEST game and won it all. Even against Jason, in the end. JMO FWIW

Off2cthwizrd

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If I were Jason, I would be careful. Dani and he may have an alliance but I think she would turn on him in a heartbeat. I've noticed the few times that Jason tries to speak up and share ideas with her, she cuts him off quickly and has a "don't think, just do what I tell you" attitude...similar to Roddy's. I'm not too sure about her.

Missy2

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Draheid. Jason is playing a good game but Dani's is better (DR entries included!!).

RODDY, oh my - let's not go there! :) That guy is so manipulative. He is not playing the game as well as Dani, his game is more psychological. I don't think he will win and I'm hoping he won't. I wish that Chiara would wake up and stomp all over that man. In the first couple of weeks his game was strong and everyone liked him. But from watching him on the feeds how he talks to people, I just don't like him and I don't believe he deserves the money! I want him to go home.

Draheid

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy showed a true part of himself (at least on the live feeds since they edited most of it OUT of the show) when he was harrassing Marcellas in the Food Competition. I believe that was a good example of just how mean and manipulative he can be. Yes, I know it was part of the competition, I just hope everyone else was able to see a very frightening side of Sir-Roddy! JMOFWIW

Bmh

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think I have an idea about what Danielle is doing..she made a comment to Marcie and Jason last night about how they have to get the girls on their side..and how eric is this week and josh/gerry/roddy next week..It seems to me that she is slowly trying to bring her to alliances together..her girl power and the J/M alliance..so she must be thinkin when the final 5 comes around and it is L/C/D/J/M..Dani knows neither side will put her up and it will literally be a battle between C/L vs. M/J..with Dani in the middle laughing all the way to the 500,000

Kuchi

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She told Jason one night while they were both in the kitchen that she wants the two of them in the end and she would not mind losing to Jason. She said if I cant win the money then i want you to.

Missy2

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Draheid, what was Roddy saying?

Draheid

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Missy2: Just the way he was berating Marcellas while M was trying to complete the competition. Taking advantage of M's germaphobia by telling him about all the bacteria and bile and such that would be in each of the livers M was eating...very psychological ploy and, IMO, somewhat mean. As I said, I understand it was part of the game, I just think it was a bit overboard. JMO - FWIW
Sorry MODs that this is a little OT

Woodpecke®

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In my opinion, I think Seamonkey is missing the point. Seamonkey's analysis of "Roddy.. I really hate the way he manipulates.. the way he DEMANDS that the very people he's wronged should come to HIM for support and make HIM feel alright", should actually read "I really hate the way the houseguests allow Roddy to manipulate them.. the way the houseguests allow someone that has wronged them to make decisions for them reeks of cowardice." The truth here is if someone feels bullied by a Roddy, they need to stand up to him and tell him to back off. Have some backbone.

Muse

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Based on her DR comments, I think that Danielle would take Jason to the finals. She has strong loyalty to one person - him. I don't see her betraying him. (Although I will say that I think she'd do her best to keep Marcellas around to the final three, since she knows she can trust him.)

Plus I think that Danielle *would* win against Jason. Everyone says that they don't want to go up against Jason in the finals, but very few people actually say they'd want him to win. They just all assume that "everyone else" would vote for him, which I don't think the case. Besides, I see some pretty serious Jason backlash coming up soon, when they realize that he's actually there to play the game.

What555456

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the Dani and Jason thing is real. But they both know, at some point, one may have to cut the other loose.

What is Dani doing? Right now I think she is making sure she is safe from week to week and setting up the following week to her advantage. She is keeping people in or sending them out based on who is a threat to her or who is going to go anyway, so she can stay another week.

At some point, she is going to have to get down to brass tacks. She knows this and I think she will.

Jason, on the other hand, is doing the same thing. He sees Dani as a way to stay week to week and as a way to be safe for the next week, if possible. He is not as good at this as Dani, so aligning with her is a damned good idea. But he too knows that at some point they are going to have to compete.

Dani win as the game player over Jason as the nice guy? More than once in both Survivor and BB, the final group selected the winner not because they liked him/her but because they were impressed with how they played the game.

Neither Dani nor Jason are dumbies. So far, they have done very well. It'll be interesting to see if they can keep it going. And what will happen when one sees their position threatened unless they turn on the other.

Shyguy

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think saying she wants to be in the finals with
Jason is just a smokescreen. ALL the hgs want to
be up against the most offensive person at the end. Think about it, if you were in the house who would you want to be sitting next to at the end.
Josh or Gerry(I don't find Gerry offensive, but he is unpopular). Curious how Roddy is so loyal to his "aggreement" to him right now. Roddy knows he's gotta keep at least one of those guys around.
The smart players are going to find a way to keep those two around while they pick the others off one at a time, all the while saying "Josh/Gerry will get it next time"
This of course is just my humble opinion.