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Nessietessie

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I read on the live feeds that Danielle and
Gerry are worried that Roddy may be the
next HOH.
Well, DUH, why don't they vote him out?
I think they could get Lisa and Marc
to go along
with them,don't you?
The Chiora, Roddy, and possibly Chi Chi
Tonya or yum..! eye candy Eric, could be
dangerous for Danielle, Marc, and Gerry.

Cathie

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep, it seems so dumb to worry more about the repercussions that could happen if they get rid of Roddy this week (nothing significant as far as I can see) than the possibility of never getting rid of him...

Gina8642

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
True Nessie,

but they've decided that Josh is worse then Roddy. So, Josh first...

Curlyq

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Is it possible that they keep saying these things because they're each secretly hoping the other will say "Let's get rid of Roddy then"? I have a feeling they all want to do it but nobody wants to be the one to come out and say it.

Moedog

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's dumb, but I don't have a vote to get rid of Roddy this week. DRAT!

Jadeygurl39

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I sure hope that is the plan Curlyq. IMHO I think they would be off their rocker not to get rid of the biggest threat (Roddy)...

Creampuff

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just don't understand either why they don't get rid of Roddy while they can. Seems to me that they could handle Josh and his antics for a while if it meant Roddy would be gone. They don't HAVE to interact with Josh.....just tolerate him until his time comes! Certain aspects of the game do require patience and this would be one of them.

Maris

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
patience my friends, dani is working her stuff. She is planting the seeds in everyones mind that they may never get rid of Roddy. Dani likes to lead the horse to water and gently nudge them to drinking.

Krossd

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with you Maris, all the way to the watering hole with nothing but the desert unknown in front of them - if they don't drink now, who knows how far the next hole will be?

It is mystifying why they can't they see the threat isn't really there, hence no possible retribution... even when they do consider this Roddy outsting Dani will have to get them around what will/is preventing them - being hung up on giving their word thing... Even then Jerry's mother doesn't sound dead <evil grin in DR, hehe>, he did say, "dead mother's soul". Lisa and Chiara's promise didn't hold when Chiara voted for Lisa, and Dani - well Dani has her own work around. "It's a game people." All she needs is Jerry and Lisa, then Jason and Mar can do what the need to do.

Odds are against them that whoever comes back will be opposed to Roddy/Chaira. They have a LOT of reasons to take Roddy out NOW.

Rein em in Dani!

Tripwaste

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 02:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Clarification on Voting Positions Requested ...

At the moment, where do each of the following houseguests stand on the Josh Vs. Roddy eviction vote???

* Dani
* Jason
* Marcellas
* Lisa Lisa
* Gerri Spice

and why?

If anyone can clarify what their individual positions (and whys, if u know) are on this, it'd be much appreciated.

Lulu

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 02:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tripwaste, D/M/J all want to vote Rod out but Rod made J VOW he wouldn't vote him out and J is sticking to this. So D/M need Lisa or Gerri for the third vote but they don't completely trust either to vote with them. They don't want to try this and fail and be left in the house with Roddy.

IMO, J made the promise because he sees R/C will take him along for a while if he loses D/M to eviction along the way. A backup alliance so to speak. Plus he knows Josh has targeted him so he'll get rid of Josh. Of course if C keeps fighting with him this could change by voting time.

Tripwaste

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 03:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, thanks, Lu2.

Well, in this case, can't see why Jason had to jump the gun to align with Rodney.

Guess J's just hedging his bets.
*If Rod stays, then J thinks he has a free pass.
*If Rod goes, then J has R's vote in the final.
*Either way, pretty cynical move by J.

Wow, J's holdout vote is even more maddening then watching 4th and 5th wheels stay in Survivivor final 3 alliances.
J already has a solid 2 agreement with Dani, but he's also going for a 3 or 4 with Roddy's beans?

Moreover than Eric, Jason's the one guy no one (except Dani) would want to face off with in Final 2, so J is stupid to think his number wouldn't go come final 4 in any other non-Dani alliance.

If Gerri doesn't have any I-won't-vote-you-out promise to Josh, then Gerri would be a probable third vote to oust Rodney.

Why any of these chumps can't see that voting Rodney out NOW means not having to worry about him and Chiara (plus any possible returning allies in Eric or Tonya) later, who can say.

Don't these people know that leaving Josh for later gives them wiggle room in the next nomination? (ie., whoever gets next HoH can renominate Josh so as not to make any enemies)

Don't these people know that if they vote out Rodney, then Josh will hasten his own demise in a fog of depression and self-destruction?

P.S. During BB2, the smarter move would've been to vote out Will over Shannon since she would've probably left voluntarily after his banishment.
Same logic applies here.

Down with emotional voting!
Up with strategic execution!

Gouraphik

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 03:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly, Tripwaste. Another example of faulty thinking is the way that some of the HG's have been planning to oust Josh in order to protect themselves from the effects of having an exiled HG back in the house...whoever that may be.

They couldn't be more wrong.

Roddy's "Reality Distortion Field" is still extant. He hasn't lost his ability to persuade and seduce people. Arguably, he failed to convince Chiara not to nom him, but if he was willing to give her what she wanted (a little huggin' and a little lovin' would have sufficed), she'd be putty in his hands.

He may have realized his mistake by now and be preparing himself to seduce the heck out of whoever comes through the door. He could get any one of the 4.

Eric will automatically resume his role as Roddy's loyal number two, unless the Rodfather royally screws things up. Amy could be wooed, if Roddy's smart enough to keep it on the hush-hush. If he's willing to go slumming (intellectually :)), he can get Tonya. Lori probably doesn't harbor too much animosity towards him, so she's a possibility, too.

Josh's prospects are about half that. He has a decent chance to get Amy, and could perhaps convince Lori that he proved his honesty by voting to evict Amy (and keep Lori) during Lori vs. Amy vote. Getting Tonya or Eric on his side would be much less likely.

Not to mention, Roddy's already won HOH. Josh has yet to win. They both are eligible next week though, so that really doesn't matter much. What matters is that for all the voting HG's know, HOH could be possessed by the returning HG. The only thing they can count on (unless BB changes the rules again) is that Chiara cannot win HOH. She'll be a prime target for nomination. Why risk allowing Roddy to reconstitute himself like the T-1000 in "Terminator 2"? He could end up saving Chiara, or forming a new and more robust alliance with the new HG.

Get Roddy. Get Roddy now. It's common sense. Simply common sense. :)

Penpoint

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If they get Roddy now, the game is over. BB might as well write the check to Danielle Reyes. There'll be no need to watch the next six weeks. Keep Roddy so we have some reason to watch.

Minnyace01

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 04:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Penpoint - even though I've been out on vac for the last 10 days and have only read the LFP's, you are exactly right. She has this game in hand if they evict Roddy. I have a question for you though. It seems that Chiara thinks that Roddy and her will be a couple when they leave the game. Has he said anything to her about this in the past week because I can't ever remember him telling her anything of the sort. I would think that putting him up would virtually guarentee that he would not get together with her. What do you think about it?

Gouraphik

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 04:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I respectfully disagree. Even if Roddy is evicted, it would be unwise to say that any HG is definitely going to win based on that alone.

This is not BB2, in which one HG (Will) was the focal point of all strategy. BB3 is populated with players who want to play. It's also way too nuanced and uncertain (BB keeps changing the rules) for anybody to maintain their dominance for too long.

Extrapolation is dangerous in general, and especially in a game like this. At any point in the game, based on the information up to that point, it could be said that a particular HG was blessed or doomed.

Marcellas was a marked man the first week, and due to circumstances beyond the 6-pack's control, he survived. Josh was a marked man the second week, and due to choices made by HOH Marcellas (choosing Tonya to go against Josh) and Amy (voting to evict Tonya), he lived to see another week.

You just never know. That's what makes this iteration of the BB game so interesting. Nobody has a lock on the game. Some HG's are stronger than others, meaning that some strategies are more sound than others, but it doesn't follow that the game will become more "boring" or that it'll become certain that any particular HG will win due to any move (or lack of one) made.

There are no Will's here. Nobody is that much of a superstar. So the loss of any particular HG will not destroy the game...unless they all suppress their personalities altogether (a la BB1 :)) and refuse to play.

Krossd

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 05:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know if it is cynical or not (on J's part) to maybe appear to be on R & C's team. It is a win win for him in some ways. He is somewhat on the inside, Dani will only need his vote if she can't get 2 votes from the Jerry, Lisa, Marc side. He may see more about Roddy than we are thinking. Time yet. Let the boredom kick in... the hot tub, the beverages, the switches, new rules, etc. Good BB this time!

Ratlady

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 05:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, I think that Gerry would definately vote Roddy out. In the DR, after promising he wouldn't and put it on his "dead mothers soul", he said "In this case, I think Mom would understand". That statement made me believe that he just made that promise to save his own butt this week (duh! LOL). Has Dani approached Gerry yet? I don't think it would be hard for her to go along with he and vote to evict Roddy. :)

Dfwteddy

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ratlady: If you were Dani and Gerry told you he changed his mind and would vote for Roddy, would you expose your hand to Roddy by believing Gerry? This is the same guy who swore on his dead mother's soul to vote for Roddy, so what does his promise mean?

If you were Dani would you expose your hand to Roddy by believing that Lisa might vote for Roddy, knowing that she is constantly flip-flopping because of what she thinks Eric might want her to do?

If you were Dani would you expose your hand to Roddy by believing that Marcellas would vote for Roddy, especially given the drama queen's tirades about Josh this week?

Is Roddy the biggest threat to Dani's alliance? You bet!

Given the returning HG twist, is there a possiblility of Roddy regaining some of his little fiefdom? You bet! (Eric is a lock for Roddy if he returns, and there is a good bet Lisa will follow Eric; Tonya was a part of the original 6-pack; given the Lori-Dani history, it won't take much to swing Lori around, especially if Roddy concentrates on Dani and Marci and promises Lori to leave Gerry alone for a couple of weeks; and Amy is up for grabs -- will Marci be able to take her back, or will a newly-recharged Roddy put her into play and dump Chiara?)

"Cabin Fever" is getting to them and most are not thinking strategically -- they are simply reacting.

Woodpecke®

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 08:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Name one smart move Roddy has made in this game to validate the statement that he is the biggest threat in the house to Danielle, Jason, or anyone. He is no threat, and has not even supported those close to him. Josh is a threat to their emotional stability and he needs to leave immediately. Roddy is nothing but a cardboard cut-out of a real player. Throw him out whenever you want. Get the can of Raid and spray the mosquito and everyone will sleep better.

Shyguy

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker,
You are right, Roddy's game decisions are suspect,
why so hot to get Amy out, everyone pretty much
hated her anyway, she was no threat. I've asked myself why he didn't go after someone who was or
could become a threat, like Jason, for instance.
I hope his decision to evict someone who was unpopular, rather than a potential threat, costs him the game.

Seanflynn

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpeck
Your reasoning is right EXCEPT that Eric could be waltzing back into the house this week
That greatly would change the equation
Otherwise with Josh being so disruptive and a wild card, his ouster makes some sense

Woodpecke®

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eric returning would change nothing. He wasn't playing the game at all before; he didn't even try to save himself with the money on the line. He is a lot like Roddy. He focused on Lisa and little else. I also think the houseguests will dump whoever returns, mainly because they don't think it was fair for someone to get vacation time and return to the house. Josh is too annoying to keep around another week and it is time to get rid of him NOW since Roddy didn't get it done earlier.

Mystery

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Didn't Eric say during the week before his eviction that if he stayed, he'd go after Gerry with both barrels? I think that if he returns, he will definitely playing the game. I agree that he wasn't really playing it before.

Dfwteddy

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker: Whether or not WE think Roddy is the biggest threat is irrelevant... I believe those in the BB House do perceive him to be the biggest threat. The 6-pack has made some HUGE errors in their thinking and in their judgment, but within the confines of that house -- where 'reality' is no longer a concept most of them understand, and where most couldn't locate 'reality' in a paper bag with both hands and a flashlight -- the perception is that Roddy is pulling the strings, and he perpetuates that perception every opportunity he is given. His speech about making this a 'good last week' for Josh was a case in point. Add to that that everyone seems to be very concerned about voting against Roddy. If he weren't a threat, what's the big deal with everyone afraid to vote for him. And I don't think it is just that they want Josh out -- I think some of them, for some deluded reasoning, think Roddy (the stronger player) will retaliate.

Logically this makes no sense, but in the distorted reality of that house it may. Whether or not Roddy is actually the biggest threat is, IMHO, a perception that exists in the BB House.