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Goddess146

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Honest PR professionals?

Are you sure that is not an oxymoron? :-)

Ryanc2002

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
PR professionals are human BS machines. ;-)

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But Ryan you were doing so well!

Ryanc2002

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
WCV - Well thank you, but for some reason I can't wrap my brain around that one. I almost want to say that you can't sue someone for selling a crappy product but I could be wrong.

Sushigirl

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sorry but I have to give my . As a consumer I feel that I have been mislead and ripped off!!!!

Ryanc2002

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sushi - Fine, you cancel and maybe get your money back, other than that I don't think you deserve any more.

Goddess146

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kind of like being sold 3-day-old, unrefridgerated Sushi made by a Mexican chef.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bait and switch is an illegal form of advertising. So selling a crappy product isn't illegal but telling somebody in advertising they are getting one thing and then finding out that the actual product available is not the same one advertised is illegal.

Ryanc2002

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
WCV - Ok, now I can argue. As I said They never said they wouldn't block out, in fact they've said the exact opposite. Misinterpretation of advertising isn't lawsuit material.

Sushigirl

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whoa Ryan!! Why are you jumping down my throat? I was just giving my opinion. I didn't mean to offend anyone.

Sushigirl

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And another thing Ryan, I never ever said I deserved anything.

Ryanc2002

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sushi - Sorry, didn't mean to sound like I was jumping down your throat. I wasn't trying to, honest!

Ryanc2002

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sushi - Sorry, I assumed that you were on the Lets sue CBS/APS bandwagon. You know what they say about assuming.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But the television advertising didn't match the product Ryan. It's like seeing an ad for 24' RCA color tv with built in dvd player for 199.99 being sold at ACME. You go to ACME to buy that product. They say, that is sold out BUT we have this really nice 24" Sony color TV for 240.00 and it's much better. If ACME didn't have the product in stock that they were advertising...it's called bait and switch. Illegal.

Goddess146

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Try? There is no TRY. There is only DO. :-)

Sorry. I could not resist. Please note the :-)

Ryanc2002

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv - I'm afraid I disagree. I don't think they ever promised uncut feeds.

Sushigirl

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryan, No problem. It's forgotten. :)

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If they use the word "unrestricted" in the tv advertisment that is misleading and could be considered "bait" to get the viewer to the site to order the feeds.

Lurknomore

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess and Ryan...sorry you guys have never met decent PR people. But some of us have made successful careers BECAUSE we don't feed folks caca. The truth has gotten me stories that no line of bs could touch.

Ryanc2002

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv - Only if the viewer interprets unrestricted to mean uncut. Also, any user who viewed the feeds saw the disclaimer saying the could and would cut, if they had a problem with possible cuts they could've called Real and said "Sorry, I changed my mind."

Goddess146

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk, I was just kidding. I have worked with some excellent and honest PR and marketing people.

One thing is clear, the customers of honest PR and marketing are generally much more satisfied than the customers of the CBS/ASP type marketing and PR.

The fact that CBS/ASP has so many unhappy customers is prima facia evidence of their dishonesty and fraud.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
True Ryan but the ORIGINAL ad would still have to be defended. Even if you get to ACME store and choose not to buy the higher priced product that doesn't mean that they advertisement isn't illegal.

Ryanc2002

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So just because a lot of people misinterpreted or misunderstood it's obvious that there was wrongdoing? I point you to the 2000 presidential election.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ahhh....but "unrestricted" can not be misinterpreted. It has a clear meaning.

Goddess146

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Putting on my smoking jacket, lighting a cigar and assuming by best Roddy pose:

Bringing up the 2000 Presidential election is a "strawman" argument.