Evicted HG come back, is it really fair?
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Evicted HG come back, is it really fair?
Sonia | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:15 pm     I would like to start a "poll" and know your opinions about it. If I understand well, or if I don't please inform me, an evicted HG will come back this week, will continue to participate to the game and will possibly win the grand prize? Personnaly, I have mixed feeling about it. In one hand, it will certainly be excellent for entertainment value for us, the viewers. Honestly, I would like to see Amy or Lori come back and confront Chiara, or Roddy, or even Marcella, even if I'm not sure if it will happen because they were both friends with Marc and Amy wasn't really confrontant in the house anyway, and Lori seems to be more decided to fight with Josh than with anybody else. It also could be interesting to see a reunion of Lisa and Eric, or to see how Tonya would act now. Also, this new twist put more spice on the t.v. show and I admit I like it. In the other hand, if one of the evicted HG come back , stay in the final 2 and win the grand prize, honestly, I don't think it's fair. The evicted HG have made 1, 2 or 3 weeks of their time on luxurious holidays, at the beach, instead of been in the house, with all the game playing we know. I know it's not their fault at all if they have been evicted and yes, it was frequently not necessarily right decisions from the HOH and the hgs to evict them instead some others, but wasn't originally the game after all? In my book, the final 2 should be the ones who, right or wrong, nice or not, ugly or beautiful, men or women, gay or straight, honest or dishonest, angel or devil, old or young, etc, etc, etc., have stay in the house during all the entire time of the game, with all the avantages and inconvenients of it, and play the game well or badly as they want and as they can during all the entire time of the game. Maybe there is also some details I don't know or I don't understand about this new rule. What do you personnaly think about it? Do you think it's fair if somebody win the grand prize after have take 1, 2 or 3 week on the beach during the game time? I'm open to any new information and opinion about it. Maybe somebody here will make me realize something or change my mind about it. Your opinions please? This unofficial poll is now open. |
Kaili | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:30 pm     I really don't think it's fair BUT I do think it'll make for interesting TV/feeds. I also don't think the returning HG will have a chance to win anyway. Even if by some chance he or she made it to the final two, they won't win the $500,000 because the others won't think it was fair that they got to come back. |
Muse | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 12:59 pm     I don't think it's fair, but I guess BB has the right to make up the rules as they go along. I'd prefer to not see the returning HG win. The only way I'd root for them is if they're up against someone I *really* dislike, like Roddy or Chiara (with the only exception being Tonya - I'd rather see anyone win besides her ). As an example, while I like Amy, I'd rather see Gerry (someone I'm not that fond of) win, simply because he would've had to have dealt with living in the house every single day. I do think that the returning HG makes things more interesting. I'm going to be disappointed if Eric or Tonya returns (since I'm rooting for the people in the clique), but it does stir things up. And I'm sure some people will be happy with their return, anyway. |
Moedog | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:02 pm     NO! It isn't fair, but no one ever attributed fairness to Arnie as far as I'm aware. I HATE ARNOLD SHAPIRO for throwing this twist into the mix! |
Crossfire | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:10 pm     Nope, not fair, but I gave up on that concept somewhere in the second season. As long as its entertaining, I don't really care what they do anymore.
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Woofy | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:11 pm     YES - it is totally fair. We don't make the rules. The HGs don't make the rules. Shapiro makes the rules. The HGs and anybody reading Shapiro's interviews were warned in advance that things would be different ... that curves would be thrown at the HGs. Remember how people felt about HOH last year? Some liked it and some didn't. How about Curtis going to the Emmy Awards (violating the "no contact with the outside world")? Rules change and the HGs do have an option if they don't want to play by the constantly changing rules. |
Auntiemike | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:16 pm     What if an evicted houseguest DOES NOT WANT TO RETURN? Do you think they will have that option? Or, do they all have to try for the "honor" of returning. If it were me, I'd cut my losses, say "thank you" for the great vacation and head on home to family and friends and consider this all a "great" experience. I agree with Sonia that they probably won't last long if they do return...plus they don't have the "advantage" of having been in the house playing the game. I wouldn't want to return without full knowledge of what has been going on. |
Goddessatlaw | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 01:17 pm     I don't have a problem with the returning HG twist at all. Take that back. I don't have a problem with the returning HG twist as long as the returning HG is Amy or Lori. Eric can return only if he shuts the FU and does nothing except sit there and let me mentally lick his biceps. If Tonya returns, I'll have a huge problem with the twist. Questions? Comments? Accusations of self dealing? |
Serena | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:14 pm     I love the twist and don't care whether it's 'fair'. I just don't think they should have told the houseguests beforehand. The person should just have walked back in, so we could see genuine responses. If an evictee ends up winning, I have no problem with it. It's NOT an advantage to be out of the house, resort or not. Especially when you don't know what's been going on or what new alliances have been struck. Everyone other than Eric is at a huge disadvantage going back in as essentially an outsider. Yes, they've had a break from the house and may be coming back refreshed, but the political disadvantage of being out of the loop far outweighs the break. |
Sonia | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:52 pm     Thanks a lot everybody for all your answers and for all the opinions you give. Maybe we will have other posters too. Auntimike wrote: "What if an evicted houseguest DOES NOT WANT TO RETURN? Do you think they will have that option?" Interesting question Auntimike. I would like to know it me too. I think I read in another topic that Josh said he's not interested at all to this option and just want to return with his girl-friend immediatly. I don't know if he had change his mind since, or if he and Rod have been questionned and informed by BB admin. about this possible option for them. Maybe somebody here have more information about it. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:52 pm     Of course it's fair. It is a gameshow created to be entertaining. These HGs signed up for anything goes. I wish they were paid a little more, I think it takes alot to give up your privacy like that. But whether or not the producers can make rule changes from season to season? Of course they can, it is their show, not the HGs show. A great deal of the outcome to BB or Survivor has to do with Random luck and little else. I haven't watched other reality shows, so I can speak to them. We have zero idea of what the contracts the HGs signed actually look like. But I'm pretty sure they would stipulate an 'anything goes', or 'twists will occur' statement. I haven't seen anything unfair yet. . |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:55 pm     BTW - If HGs are allowed to 'push the panic button' and leave the show at any time, then I would presume they could be evicted and choose not to participate in a return scenario. However, they might lose their stipend. |
Ryn | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:58 pm     Sonia I think it is interesting, fair? Heck I dont care too much about that. But the HGs in the house have pretty much solved the issue, unless things have changed they are almost all agreed to nominate and vote out the returning HG the next chance they get - no matter WHO it is. They call it opreation revolving door and there are a couple of threads about it. |
Sonia | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:02 pm     Ryn, revolving operation by current hg and other threat about it? Thank you for info. I will check it. Gina, loose their stipend? Do you talk about the same thing Dani said to Josh if he leaves by his own decision? Thanks a lot for this information too but, hum... what "stipend" means exactly, what does it include? |
Avery | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:06 pm     I agree Ryn, I think the HG's have it solved in THEIR minds, but I think it sounds too easy. I think that BB has it solved so that it is not so easy for them to solve it. I hope that is the case, or it really will not be fair to me. Unless they are banking on the HG's inability to keep their word. |
Mschumacher | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:11 pm     What does "fair" have to do with Big Brother? Are some people, including the HGs, forgetting what Big Brother is based on? It is based on Orwell's 1984. "Big Brother: Big Brother is not a real person. All-present as he is, all-powerful and forever watching, he is only seen on TV. Although his picture glares out from huge posters that shout, BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU, nobody sees Big Brother in person. Orwell had several things in mind when he created Big Brother. He was certainly thinking of Russian leader Joseph Stalin; the pictures of Big Brother even look like him. He was also thinking of Nazi leader Adolph Hitler and Spanish dictator Francisco Franco. Big Brother stands for all dictators everywhere. Orwell may have been thinking about figures in certain religious faiths when he drew Big Brother. The mysterious, powerful, Godlike figure who sees and knows everything—but never appears in person. For Inner Party members, Big Brother is a leader, a figurehead they can use to frighten people and justify actions. For the unthinking proles, Big Brother is a distant authority figure. For Winston, Big Brother is an inspiration. Big Brother excites and energises Winston, who hates him. He is also fascinated by Big Brother and drawn to him in some of the same ways that he is drawn to O'Brien, developing a love-hate response to both of them that leads to his downfall." http://www.gerenser.com/1984/analysis.html |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:12 pm     Sonia, The HGs are getting paid to be on the show. They are calling it a stipend rather than a salary. I've heard them say it is $750.00 a week. I think this is a reasonable amount, but could be more, seeing as how much CBS/AS makes off their lives and images. I don't know if they get paid more while actually living in the house or not. (i.e., More money while in the house, Less money while being sequestered or waiting for the finale show.) |
Misslibra | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:13 pm     Yes it's fair since the HG's were on notice that Arnie could change the rules of the game at anytime. I like the twist because it's not the norm it's something different. And after this twist I hope Arnie has another twist up his sleeve. |
Willsfan | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:20 pm     The first two HG's are sometimes the very ones that are liked the most by the public/internet viewers so I can see the allure of perhaps bring one of them back. However, if I was one of the remaining HGs I would be crying foul. But, only because I would be afraid "they" would boot me. I would feel like they were somehow cheating. Y'Know? Otherwise, it IS an interesting twist. I don't know yet if I like it or not. It depends on "who" they bring back. LOL |
Sonia | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:22 pm     Gina, thank you very much for your answer. I understand better now. Mushu, "What does "fair" have to do with Big Brother?" Excellent point, LOL! Of course, me the first, we don't watch BB to see fairness and I even don't expect to see that. I watch BB by curiosity and entairtaining, certainly not as a role model society, LOL! I'm happy to like to read the different points you all give here, it's very interesting.  |
Sonia | Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 03:41 pm     Following of my last post, (you know, editing doesn't work after 10 minutes.) ...give here, it's very interesting and... and I had learn many things, but I just have a little tendancy to thing than if I were an HG, I'm not sure if I would be happy to give my vote to win to another who was 2-3 week on the beach during I were in the BB house. But for us, viewers, all those twists are definitly entairtaining to watch. |
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