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Pesto

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The fact still remains that over the last 2 weeks, Roddy has become weaker and weaker, so it is not the end of the world if he stays in the house, Eric or no Eric.

I also would add that, if you are still in the house, you still have a shot at winning this thing. (Josh too by the way). Alliances, new twists, lies, change circumstances in the house so quickly that anything can happen.

I think now that Lisa is lost to the "couples" because of Dani and Mars, and if she went back, D and M could use that against her with whoever is left.

All that said, I would still axe roddy if it were me. :)

Bailey

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I want Roddy to stay because at this point, with his position weakened, he's the only one that will have the gonads to put Dani on the block. Maybe Gerry would also, but more likely at this point it would be Roddy.
I think it would a fun week to watch Dani vs anyone on the block. Especially if they put her up against Jason. I know I'm just dreamin'... but I want to see that house keep rockin'. :)

Eden

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy is afraid that he will be perceived as as disingenuous as he actually is if he drops Chiara. Besides, she's a vote he can manipulate (reference last week's shenanigans). Why should he lose a potential vote for himself to win in the end? Also, with the potential of Tonya or Eric returning Roddy is back in the game if he keeps Chiara close! Roddy is playing to stay this week and regroup when the HG reenters. If Eric returns he'll probably get Lisa under his control too. If it's Tonya, she'll do what Chiara wants and if Roddy's drops her, you can bet Chiara will come gunning for him. Anyway you look at it, it's too late for Roddy to drop Chiara.

If Roddy stays this week he has a chance of regaining control of the game. If he goes Chiara will be cut loose and even if Tonya or Eric return it won't help her.

Woodpecke®

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have seen no sign of Roddy and his gonads in this game up to now. He is not capable of making the hard choices.

Cameltoes

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I tend to agree Bailey. I figure Danielle is his most likely target at this point and if one of the clique has to go (if they don't control HOH) I'd rather it be Danielle. Ultimately though, I don't think it will matter which of Josh/Roddy goes this week. There are too many possible scenarios given Roddy's penchant for manipulation, Josh's penchant for deception and the unknown quanitity of who returns and what that will do to the house.

Eden

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't see how Josh would be able to deceive anyone at this point. Would anyone in the house actually listen to him? Put the pennies on his eyes, Josh as a player is dead.

Cameltoes

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
See... I'm not comfortable with the idea of declaring anyone dead as a player. Especially if the man survives another nomination and one that was supposed to be unanimous against him. Things change very quickly in there and you just never know who they will turn on.

Bailey

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood, you may be right but then is anyone in that house capable of it? Should we just stop the game now and hand 1st prize to Dani? I think at this point Roddy's position is weakened as much as Josh's is. I want to see the roof blown off the real power in that house.

Wendo

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker said: "If Roddy was really thinking, he would sever his relationship with Chiara completely."

That would be the worst thing to do!

As watchers from the outside, I agree, he should dump Chiara and try feeling out other alliances.

However, in the house and the HG's eyes (and probably what Roddy is thinking), this would be a horrible move. All he's probably imagining is her running around like the cuckolded female.

Nah, ah. Not going to happen. I'm afraid they're stuck with each other. And, really, they deserve each other.

Woodpecke®

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The houseguests would think he finally woke up. I think it would give him instant credibility if he dumped her completely. It may be a way he can still play the game effectively. He is Dead Man Walking otherwise.

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker - Don't you mean he's a "Dead Man TALKING"?

LOL

Woodpecke®

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes. I like that much better. LOL!

Mystery

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Or Dead Man Squawking.

Or, when he had the cold, Dead Man Hawking.

Marcellus after his DR comments about how attractive Roddy and Eric are: Dead Man Gawking.

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sooner or later, Dani will get nommed. Heck, maybe even by Marcellas!

The more evicitons, the fewer players....the fewer players, the fewer options.

What if it got down to Marce, Roddy, Chia, and Danielle. Then what if marce wins HOH and noms Roddy and Chia. Then what if Roddy wins POV and saves Chia? Marce would HAVE to put up Dani, leaving Chia as the sole voter.

I'm just pointing out that as this game progresses, the options get more difficult, especially with the new variables. The POV will become more and more important as the number of players declines.

Still...I think Roddy would wise up and nominate strategically a lot quicker than Josh. It isn't a matter of who in the entire house is more powerful, folks! It's a matter of who *between Roddy and Josh* is the most powerful!

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not quite a rhyme... but Josh is a Dead Man Skulking...

Bmh

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
good point Sanfranjosh..but I think by then they will stop playing for POV..I think when it gets down to lower numbers eventually they will not be eligible to compete for it

Minnyace01

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker - I agree with you to a certain extent. In their eyes (other houseguests), he probably would move up, but it's not going to happen because , IMHO, he still, and I know that it's hard to believe, has genuine feelings for her. You are also a male, as am I. If we were going to try to dump a girl, you wouldn't do the little things that he does with Chiara (exp. - kissing her forehead a couple of times, snuggling with her in bed, asking her for hugs). You just wouldn't do those little things. I think that the honesty issue with Chiara yesterday was date play and not game play. I'm really surprised that this didn't come up last night in their pillow talk conversation, but maybe it did and we weren't privy to it. All in all, after this morning, they both seem happy with each other again. Quite a couple to say the least.

Woodpecke®

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Very good Minnyace! This is the issue that boggles my mind. You go through auditions, make the show, then make plans to go in there and take home $500,000 and get tons of exposure and become all famous and stuff. What does this obviously intelligent egomaniac go and do? He hooks up with a woman that is nothing remotely like someone he would normally hook up with. He had everything going for him, now he is fighting for survival because his main squeeze put him up for nomination. He is kissing her finely tuned butt because she holds the cards, and he is reduced to making the best of a bad situation. He allowed Eric to hit the road, and now he may be a victim of his own miscalculated sense of worth. He has made all the wrong moves, and he doesn't even have a plan for what he will do next. He has a lot of work to do, and I see no reason to think he can save himself.

Gramma

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The game is what it is. It's a game to out-wit and out-last your fellow HG's. (ok, ok,, borrowed from survivor but still true.)

If they DON'T vote to evict Roddy this week they don't deserve to win. When better to get rid of the biggest threat to win the game and the obvious leader of the house?
Does it make sense to wait until one of the others wins HOH to put him up? That will mean one less vote since the HOH can't vote.

By NOT voting to evict Rody this week, the 'others' risk :

A. Roddy winning HOH next week and weakening their own numbers. My guess would be that M&D would be on the block, if not, then JA and D.

B. Of Eric or Tonya returning, further strengthening Roddy's position.

If they vote out Josh and one of them DOES win HOH next week and puts up Roddy and Chiora, what do they do if R or C wins POV and uses it? (Or Eric or Tonya if either of them turns out to be the returning bootie).

Way I see it is, if they DON'T evict Roddy this week, they deserve to lose and Roddy deserves to win. Time for them to wake up and start really playing the game.

Could it be that Josh and Roddy are the only real players out of the original 12? Gerry's trying, but can't do it alone.

Woodpecke®

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy is not the leader of the house. He is not even the leader of his bed. He is not a factor at all. (I am so sick of telling these people). LOL!

Minnyace01

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker - I agree with you, but sometimes the little head thinks more than the big one! I think that Chiara is the type of girl that intrigues the Rodster. She is good looking, fairly sharp (I think), will stand up to him, and, probably, is pretty good in the sack. What gets me though, is why didn't he talk with her about noms on Thursday night? He gives her a lot of room to hang herself and she may have done it. I don't think that he allowed Eric to hit the road. I believe that he thought that he had the votes to keep him. If you watched him after Eric walked out of the house, he had a stunned look on his fact, trying to figure out who just played him. I don't think that he has played the game that badly until about a week ago. I don't think that he planned on falling for Chiara, it just happened as it sometimes does. He could still play a big part in the game providing, he stays in the house and Eric comes back. If that happens, and they win the next HOH and get Dani out, it will be interesting to see what will happen to others in the clique.

Bmh

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG..Wood I agree with you..thats a first..lol

I dont understand why everybody thinks Roddy is such a big threat..after Josh leaves this week it will just be him and Chiara..and even if Eric comes back it is just the three of them D/Ja/L/M/G could pick them off easily..Roddy doesn't have any power anymore..he is a dead man..no matter if he goes or Josh goes..believe me Roddy wont be here in 2 weeks

Woodpecke®

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree. He thought Eric was safe. He thinks a lot of things. He thought he had Chiara wrapped around his finger. He never thought he would be nominated this soon (by Chiara of all people)!!! He is now reduced to playing the "if" game. If Eric comes back, if he wins HOH, if Chiara still remains his ally. What if she throws her alliance behind Danielle? If Lisa doesn't convince others to can his uppity butt out the door. If only he hadn't thrown away the $$$$ over a woman that probably is a stellar bed partner. He hasn't even gotten to find THAT out yet. LOL @ Roddy the magnificent.

Minnyace01

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bmh - you really think that if Eric comes back that Lisa is going to stay in her own bed? She'll do whatever Eric wants her to do and she'll join forces with Roddy, Chiara, and Lisa. It gives her a much better chance of being in the final 2. With the information that she could provide R, C, and E, Dani will be the one to go. Agreed, it's a long shot of it happening, but Dani is the glue that is holding all of the others together. If she left, it would be very interesting to see the scramble take place.

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy's eviction is needed, NOT because he is the BIGGEST threat in the whole house....but because he is simply a BIGGER threat than Josh who is powerless. That's the choice: Roddy vs Josh, not "the most powerful leader of the house" vs Josh. I mean....one could argue that right now Danielle is the most powerful HG....but she isn't an option!

I'd like to see Glenda the Good Witch of the North walk in on Thursday look at Roddy and say to him "Begone! ....before some drops a house on YOU, too!" as she looks at the pathetic heap once known as Josh all broken down and powerless after having been struck by the falling house of cards he had attempted to build.

<sorry - couldn't help it....I have a weird imagination!>