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Archive through August 07, 2002
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 10:56 pm     Mystery - It depends on whether you look at the TV commercial and/or LF logo or if you read the fine print. They never said they WOULDN'T block out, in fact they said right from the start that they WOULD. |
Draheid | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 10:58 pm     FWIW - The advertising does say LIVE and 24/7 ... as far as I know, the shots of the FOTH are, in fact, LIVE! JMO |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:00 pm     Thank you Draheid, that's what I'm trying to say. "unrestricted" can be put up for interpretation, and besides, it's one word in a television commercial. |
Goddess146 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:06 pm     unrestricted: adj 1: not subject to or subjected to restriction [ant: restricted] 2: free of restrictions on conduct; "I had unrestricted access" 3: accessible to all [syn: unexclusive] 4: (grammar) not restricted or modified in meaning; "unrestricted verbs are usually stronger than those qualified by adverbs" 5: never having had security classification [syn: nonsensitive] Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:08 pm     "Accesible to all" The FOTH is accesible to all who purchased the feeds, no? They're not restricting your viewing of the FOTH, correct? |
Draheid | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:10 pm     FWIW - re: unrestricted. That could easily refer to the accessibility of the feeds. No paid subscriber has yet to be restricted from any of the 4 feeds being netcast. However, I do not recall any specific statements or guarantees as to the content of the streams. JMO - FWIW |
Goddess146 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:10 pm     What about those stupid commercials. When you get the commercial you are not getting anything live. |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:11 pm     Goddess - Those stupid commercials are a glitch I think. |
Goddess146 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:15 pm     Well Ryan, thank you for framing all the arguments that could be advanced. It will help when I compose my letter to the Attorney General of the State of California, Consumer Fraud Division. |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:19 pm     Goddess - Glad I could help, but it'll never see the inside of a courtroom, and if by some one in a billion chance it does, CBS/ASP will win. |
Goddess146 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:21 pm     I agree. It will never go to court. CBS/ASP will settle. I take it that you will asked to be excused from any class action settlements. |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:23 pm     They won't settle, you don't have a strong enough case for any lawyer to take it. Cases like this are what's wrong with the legal system. People take BS cases against big corporations knowing that rather than risk bad publicity the corporation will settle. And yes, you can take my name off of any "lawsuits" |
Mystery | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:30 pm     A company can't get away with lying in an advertisement by just making the lie "one word in a television commercial." One word is not less important than another word. CBS is using "unrestricted" for a reason, to get people to buy the feeds. They can't keep their fingers crossed behind their back and say they're using some esoteric meaning of the word "unrestricted." In the absence of a full explanation--which they do have on the CBS site (though in my opinion not prominently displayed) but which I do not see on the Real site--they're stuck with the general meaning of unrestricted. Their use of the word is not an accident. It's not something they didn't think about before they used it in an advertisement. On its ad, CBS shows 4 completely different feeds. They do not show the FOTH. Their ad says "See what happens all day & all night in the big brother house." It doesn't say see what happens all day and all night IN FRONT OF the big brother house. It says "catch all the action." How is FOTH any action at all? Their disclaimer says that coverage may be blacked out on occasion "to preserve the integrity of the TV show." I take that to mean that they want to save some shots just to be shown on TV. But hardly anything, IF anything, that happens during FOTH makes it to the TV show. |
Mystery | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:33 pm     In the opinion of someone who's been a lawyer for 11 years, cases like this are not what's wrong with the legal system. What's wrong with the legal system, and with American society in general, is the attitude that it's okay for business entities to lie, and cheat, and steal, with no repercussions because the victims should have known they were being lied, and cheated, and stolen from. I find it very strange that someone would say on one hand that no lawyer would take this case and on the other hand that this kind of case shows what's wrong with the legal system. If no lawyer takes it, it hasn't affected the legal system at all. |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:34 pm     No, they promise you 4 feeds, not 4 completely different feeds. And they didn't lie. Unrestricted does not necessarily mean uncut. And as long as some of the FOTH makes the show their disclaimer holds true. |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:36 pm     "Cases like this" IE the McDonalds Coffee lady and Krista's case against CBS. |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:42 pm     My final say on this little argument. I'm 17 years old, my law studies don't extend past highschool classes, and I've been able to come up with at least decent arguments against your case. What could a real lawyer do? |
Goddess146 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:46 pm     "What's wrong with the legal system, and with American society in general, is the attitude that it's okay for business entities to lie, and cheat, and steal, with no repercussions because the victims should have known they were being lied, and cheated, and stolen from. " EXCELLENT! |
Wcv63 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:47 pm     Ryan I was going to ask you if you were on the CBS payroll! You have a PR job in your future if you want it! |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:50 pm     WCV - I think I'll stick to arguing but who knows! |
Goddess146 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:50 pm     Mystery, seeing what Ryanc has said about a "real" lawyer, could you do a "devils advocate" posting of the agruments the CBS/ASP lawyers could pose against the claim of fraud? |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:56 pm     Ok, one more because I'm wound up. Every argument that has been thrown out for a case against CBS has been based on interpretation of CBS's wording. The arguments against, however have been based on CBS's own clear, undeniable words that they WOULD block out certain portions of the feeds. |
Lurknomore | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:57 pm     Hey hey HEY...on behalf of all decent and honest PR professionals...some of us do spin based on merit |
Wcv63 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:57 pm     Okay...This could be construed as a "bait and switch". Say one thing on tv...you get there and find an inferior product. Argue that one Ryan!  |
Ryanc2002 | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 12:01 am     Nope, I'm done for tonight. |
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