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Romans8_1

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 06:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
With all of Roddy's blunders and faults (I acknowledge them), he is in a position of power. Danielle is first, Roddy is second.

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1) Roddy has Josh as much as anyone has Josh
2) Roddy has K. Yeah, K put him up, but wants him in and will alway vote to keep him (As of now).
3) M loves Roddy. May or may not vote him out, but M tends to be emotional and that could play to R.
4) G has proved that he is not beyond making an alliance with R
5) The only person J is closer to is D. R comes in second if D was to leave.

Whether R knows it or not, he's got influence. I just don't think he has exercized it yet. R best bet would be to get rid of D and to allign himself with J.

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 06:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
1) Josh is gone Thursday. 2) No girlfriend of mine would put me up for nomination if I was trying to win $500,000. 3) Marcellus finds Roddy attractive but he would have no problem evicting him swiftly, he has said this on many occasions. 4) Gerry has no alliance to Roddy and realizes that he is liable to leave at any time. 5)Jason is not interested in anything but the cash and would never listen to Roddy if it came down to voting strategy. I hope this puts to rest with clarity the Roddy mystique. (This is only my opinion and I am not attempting to be confrontational).

Minnyace01

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 06:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker - What is wrong with Roddy? It appears that he has quit the game and has fallen in love. I don't get it? Did you read the LFP's from last night and this am in bed with her. What kind of spell has she cast on him? You're right. He's a dead man walking and doesn't know it. I still think that there is better than a 1 in 4 chance that he will be voted out this week. He needs a wake up call and soon.

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 07:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree. His actions are very strange. I am waiting to see if Jason and Danielle see what he is doing to himself and decide to make a move to get him out. Roddy is really making things easy for the Deep Dark Secret Alliance. I still think it is entertaining watching him lose his marbles and I want him in there at least one more week.

Minnyace01

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 07:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, it really is entertaining watching him. Every time that Chiara opens her mouth and says something off the wall, he has the opportunity to distance himself a little, but instead he gets closer to her. I only hope that on Wed show, he explains in his DR entries what he is really thinking. He has left me clueless, unless he really thinks that she is the right one. If that's the case, I wish him the best of luck because he will need it.

Ginger1218

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 07:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jason sleeping at "the foot of Roddy and Chiara's bed" is a little ridiculous. It is like he is their little slave boy. I hope he knows what he is doing.

Dfwteddy

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good to see Wood's posting! Although I respectfully disagree with you, I do appreciate your viewpoint and am hoping you are right as it "certainly" appears -- barring a sudden revelation -- that R is in for another week.

(1) I think Ja is playing the game, so this little sleepover, IMHO, is nothing more than a little fence-mending and reconnaisance for the D/Ja alliance.

(2) The exchange with D/Ja may not have been planned, but it was certainly staged for the maximum viewing pleasure of all. Lucky timing! It was discussed earlier, so when it happened both D/Ja knew how to handle it. Nice finesse.

(3) D/J have to keep their secret alliance from the other clique members -- M/L -- if they want to use them to get to the end, otherwise why would either M/L play along with D?

(4) If Ja followed the board in the past as much as we think he has, he may be playing it close in the DR as well, knowing that he doesn't want to teleplay his plans and have BB "advise" the others. (This is my first year here, but if my meds ever wore so thin that I applied to BB4 and ASP lost their senses and put me in as the token "over-40-fat-white-guy" I have learned that I would keep a very short leash on my thoughts in the DR.)

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, folks!

(a) There seems to be a lot of speculation here that assumes R will be the next HoH. If my math is right (and assuming that the returning HG isn't crowned HoH, but rather has an opportunity to compete for it), there is only a 1:7 chance he will get HoH. (C can't compete.)

(b) If the returning HG is made HoH, remember R was not able to control C as well as we assumed this week and he may not have the same control over someone on vacation from him. C may have some influence over T, and R may have some influence over 1 of E's nominations (G will be a deadman if E returns). However, T and E are both (without knowing more about the competition) only a 1:4 chance at returning, and there is also a 1:4 chance that either Lo or A will return.

(c) The 6-Pack of "beautiful" people has imploded (as noted before) and each seems to be scampering around finding their own deals. E's departure was a wake-up call to R, but Wood has influenced me to think that R can no longer influence the votes of the 6-Pack as we assumed he could. (However, Wood, R may have learned something from E's eviction and he simply didn't need use that knowledge this week with Josh impaling himself.)

Ultimately, Wood, I think R has more influence in the BB house than you give him credit. I'm going to hope, however, you're right this week -- that someone from the clique is chosen HoH, that our little cheese-eater is returned to the fold, and that R is out sooner rather than later.

Dfwteddy

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 08:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, and about the power... (I got sidetracked during the posting above and forgot to address the main question.)

The only POWER in the house is with the HoH prior to the nominations (and prior to the POV, I guess, should it ever be used). Power in the BB House changes each week with each new HoH. G had the power in the BB House last week and used to to get rid of E. Once the nominations are made an a HG is no longer HoH there is a power shift to the new HoH. There are certainly those who can INFLUENCE others, but ultimately each HG accepts or rejects that influence and votes in their best interest. An influencer can help you see that voting one way or another is ultimately in your best interest, but they really don't have power over you. JMHO

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not prone to fawning or gushing over the posts of people in this forum, but I must commend Dfwteddy for writing a very thorough and completely entertaining analysis of the BB3 personality struggle. The HOH baton is always the key to any movement from week to week in this game. I do feel that the POV will ultimately determine who gets the grand prize, and I know that the smart players in this game realize it is far too early to show their hand and expose a perception that is difficult to erase. This game is much more than a visually stimulating array of beautiful people. It is an emotional grind that bashes your brain and makes you think harder than you thought possible. Staying in the house with the least amount of effort is a difficult proposition at best. I hope to be seeing more of your insightful words as the game evolves.

Niceguy

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is second time I've caught myself impressed with Danielle's machinations. It definitely was the staged fight that they conspired on earlier and like the beer incident with Roddy was done just after the POV was locked away. She still annoys the hell out of me but I gotta give credit where credit is due.

Question is, is Chiara really buying it?

Dfwteddy

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fawning and gushing is always appreciated.

Ditto the rest!

Maris

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There are some players who are major influencers and can depend on certain people to do their bidding.

Dani and Roddy, both people that started out with a following, see their influence base diminishing but I am not sure that they realize to what extent they have lost control. Roddy made excuses for Jason not voting the way he wanted him to vote, he could not change Chiara's mind regarding putting him up. He is beginning to realize that Chiara is more of a liability at this point and once her HOH term is up, he will probably try to move more towards the middle. Like Jason he doesnt want to alienate Chiara because she can be emotional and explosive. He is finding himself in a situation that he just doesnt know what is coming next. He planned this game out based on last years show. Even his acknowledgement that he has to be careful about what he is saying because the evicted HGs might be watching, is wrong. He has been playing to the cameras saying Amy is a great girl, Lori is a great girl making sure that he is viewed in a positive way and it means nothing.

Dani realizes she has to play the game carefully because the people in her "influence ring" tend to be a little more intelligent than Roddys and cannot be manipulated. Her job is a little more difficult. She realized very early on she could not control Marcellas when he would not agree to her using the POV as she wanted during his HOH term. Despite her insisting to Marcellas that he not to speak to Gerry about his hygene he went ahead to spoke to him confidentially yesterday. She still does not know that Marcellas spoke to Gerry or that Gerry guessed it was her that spoke to him about the washing clothes in the sink.

Gerry isn't stupid, he knows that she lied to him in her converation about having his back and saying that Josh was lying about noboding liking him. Lisa also has a mind of her own and doesn't reveal her cards to anyone unless she wants them to know what she is thinking. This is a critical week for Dani. If she can get Marc to agree to vote Roddy, then I think she has won a spot in the final two and she knows it.

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 09:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy is not a factor in Danielle's drive to the finals.

Maris

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think he is an important factor, she has to get rid of him.

Shyguy

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 09:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani needs to knock it off in the DR with the
countdown(4 down 7 to go)nonsense, she can feel that way but needs to not verbalize it. The evicted hgs are not going to be sequestered til the end of the show, they will be seeing this routine and I'm sure that may irritate some to not vote for her to win should she make it to the finals.
Makes her look "smug". I hate smug.

Minnyace01

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker and Maris - I'll fall in the middle of your assessments of Roddy. He could still be a factor in the game, but it is going to take a series of events happening in order for it to occur. First off, he has to live this week, and that is not a lock. Then, he has to hope that Eric comes back into the house and they both decide to play the game. They have to get Lisa back on their side, win the next HOH, and put up Dani to see who runs if she goes out. They will then have the numbers to stay in some control of the game. But, the odds of this all happening are quite slim. Not as bad as the Vikes winning the big one, but right up there, right Woody!

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My team is the Detroit Lions, and Roddy reminds me of them.

Bmh

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why does everybody assume Roddy is gonna get HOH..it is soo annoying..it is 6 to 1 shot of him winning!..He doesn't have any power left..yes if Eric comes back he gets back a member of his alliance..but Gerry will definitely go on the block if Eric comes back...Danielle has the same power she always had..she is very good in keeping her alliegance secretive..she is fooling everybody even us!..I think if Dani wants Josh out..she has a good reason for doing so..because I never really even saw her trying to convince people to evict Roddy..she has a gameplan and we just need to sit back and see if it works in her favor

Seamonkey

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 10:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy IS a factor for Dani in that he will be a factor in her being nominated. I think he's seeing that she is playing the game now.

I think Dani's tactical "chances" (which could be errors) include

Becoming more and more bossy with her allies. I see Marcellas bristling at times.. like if he is HOH HE will decide on his nominations.

Puppetmaster.. Dani has been quite vocal about what she would/will do as HOH or with POV but I don't get the slightest idea that she wants that spotlight, at least not yet. She wants Jason or Marcellas (or maybe even Lisa or Gerry) to do her bidding, but she wants to remain behind the scenes.. This can be a very good strategy but, as someone already said, her allies are pretty bright and they also talk among themselves at times and I don't think they are missing the fact that her strategy (known to Jason and Marcellas and Gerry) has Danielle in the final two, and winning. The others are supposed to accept her relegation of them to second or third place.

I think that Jason may actually think he deserves the money as much as anyone else (which is true) and he may see that actually he would be better off with Roddy at the end than with Danielle... since Dani has played the "I deserve it more, I need it more, I'm a mom, I need a house, I can't go to Vegas (but I'd let you all pay my way, she agreed when Lisa asked), Roddy is too rich and I just neeed it more because I got pregnant at 15" card pretty strongly. Plus Amy verbalized that SHE felt Dani should win. I think Jason knows that, too.

Jason seems to be fascinated with both Roddy and Chiara. Roddy also fascinates Josh and Gerry. And holds some allure for Amy as well. Roddy is dangerous.

Topham

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 10:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Minnyace01 wrote: "Every time that Chiara opens her mouth and says something off the wall, he [Roddy] has the opportunity to distance himself a little, but instead he gets closer to her."

Based on that and observations by other, I believe that this was Chiara's hope all along and one of the complex reasons she put him up for nomination. Her insecurity led her to create a situation in which she was Roddy's only solid rock. During the anxious times he would cling to her. This would give her security and meet her definition of ideal happiness.

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle only played the "poor me" card the one time. It was hardly a breaking point in her strategy and had very little effect in the house. Danielle has accomplished her goal of getting others to do some of the dirty work, but she most certainly is working her very shapely behind to the grindstone ensuring her way is carried out. The familiar refrain of "Roddy is Dangerous" is getting very old without any evidence of its existence. It is almost as tiresome as me posting about it. We will see how this shakes out on Thursday. Meanwhile, Roddy is the Nowhere Man sitting in his nowhere land while Jason and Danielle continue to ignore all controversy and plod on toward a highly anticipated Final Four berth in the West Regional.

Niceguy

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bmh she's fooling you she's not fooling the rest of us.

Have Jason and Marcellus ever talked together without Danielle hovering close-by. I think its just about time they pulled a Kubrickian maneuver on her. Of course it could be Jason and Gerry as well.

Bmh

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes actually they have Niceguy..if you looked back on the LFP's..Jason and Marcellas have talked strategy without Danielle..and did not mention her name once

Jason Marcellas and Danielle are all loyal to each-other

And I think you are the one in the minority on your opinion..your the only one that thinks that Jason,Marcellas,and Gerry will turn on Danielle..which from my point of view isn't the case

Showmemoney

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm so excited! This is my first post, after lurking for 3 full years. I check this site every single day.

Anyway, enough of my jubilation. I think Danielle definitely has some power, and I still believer her and Jason are working very secretly together. I think every change of mind we seem from those two is staged.

Not much of a first post, but it will do.. :)

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Welcome to posting, and I hope you continue to contribute and enjoy the fine work of our vast group of intelligent members. (I was practicing for my anticipated gig as a Walmart greeter by being extra friendly).

Pesto

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 12:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can someone give me more info on the set up to this "staged fight" between Dan and Jas? I read about the incident but don't recall them planning anything... Do tell please...

Also, Woody, I always enjoy your posts, especially when I want to get my Roddy-bash on, but ALL the HGs have the capability directly or indirectly influence one another from week to week, so it is way too early to count Rodman out.

dfwteddy, nice post, I would add that when you state "there are certainly those who can INFLUENCE others, but ultimately each HG accepts or rejects that influence and votes in their best interest," I think there are HGs (e.g., Rod) that are able to cleverly convince other HGs (e.g., K) of what "their best interest[s]" are. Best interests are subjective and change from week to week.

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do want to clarify one thing. Roddy is a huge failure to me in this game, but that is because I thought we were getting a guy that was much more talented. He let me down. He is fun to watch, however. I do not dislike him as a person as much as a certain player I am not commenting on lately. It is early in this marathon, and I have not forgotten this. But Roddy has amazingly played his hand already, and I can say with confidence that he has already lost.

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecker I not only admire your confidence but find it to be sexy and alluring. I'd love to believe that Roddy's influence among the other houseguests is but a misty illusion.

I also (even though my belief was shaken last night but I'm calling that an aberration and suggest all others call it that as well) Not strongarming ya'll...just clarifying my point believe that Jason has not lost sight of his goal and that every action in the house regarding the game is calculated.

Interesting observations about the distinction between influence and power. With those definations in mind I'd have to say that Jason fits the definition of influential. He does it subtly and without any obvious tactics.