Chiara is having a guilt-ridden moment....believe it or not!
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Chandler

Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 11:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chi is acting all whimpy because she is worried that people will see her as being a bad person for voting her "friend" Lisa off -- and she is reassuring us all that she is really a good person. Won't it be great to see what happens when the plan backfires and Lisa ends up staying??

Wendo

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chandler, you know, when she said this, that people will see her as not a good person, I spoke to my computer and said, Uhm hmm, that about sums it up. She's been so deluded into thinking that voting out Lisa is in her best interest that she cannot see that actually, Eric staying would be terrible for her. She tried to get a commitment from Roddy that Eric would have her back, however he eluded it in his usual way and never really gave her that promise.

In addition, she's killed her endgame jury vote with Lisa, imo.

Moedog

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am SO looking forward to tonight's show. It's time for the HGs to start reaping what they've sown. <grin>

Kc103

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Her...a guilt-ridden moment??? Don't worry.... I'm sure it will pass.....like say 10 seconds later. Strikes me as that's how it would be with any guilt-ridden moments that might arise with her.

Eden

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That self serving lip service to guilt was so typical of Chiara. She kept repeating "I'm not being myself.", well, why doesn't she start being herself instead of a marionette in Roddy's puppet show.

Lisa's interruption in the middle of the conversation was perfect timing! She came in saying something about Chiara being closest to her in the house, while Chiara had just been trying to assuage her conscience by saying how she doesn't feel any real connection to Lisa!

Chiara knows she stabbed a friend in the back and she's worried about how she'll be perceived in the real world, not only by the public but by her friends. All she has to do to know how Lisa will feel when she finds out is turn the situation around. Chiara would be very disappointed in Lisa if she didn't vote for her to stay.

All that said... it's a game. Be tough enough to play it your own way and spare us the after the fact self- flagellation.

Ryanc2002

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't buy it, not after her Lisa-bashing session with Roddy, although he pretty much kept quiet.

Oregonfire

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 02:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I know, Eden, it's just ridiculous. I think Kiki could've voted against Lisa later in the game, but this vote was premature. It will draw too much negative attention to her in this coming week. She was just looking for a reason to vote Lisa out.

And the bad thing that Lisa supposedly said? That she didn't trust Chiara. Talk about fiction becoming fact becoming self-fufilling prophesy.

Ryanc2002

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 02:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara is just stupid, doesn't she realize that when it comes down to her and "the guys." she's gone.

Eden

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 02:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryan, Chiara isn't thinking in this game at all. She goes to Roddy and he does her thinking for her. She's like a dummy on a ventriloquist's lap. Thing is, we see Roddy's lips moving!

My hope is one of the Clique win the next HOH (whatever the twist is not withstanding)and put Roddy and Chiara up together. I think it would be very interesting to see how each react to that situation.

Snee

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 02:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ooh, eden! one can only hope!

C1mag

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 02:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm no Miss Cleo but I'm gonna give this one a shot.. Tomorrow evening Julie announces that Eric is out. Kiki goes to her dear friend Lisa and hugs her and say's, "Girl I was pulling for you all along. Kiki might even say something childish like, "Girl power!!" Now the question is will Lisa buy it? Not if Dani is smart enough to make her count the votes.. hehehehehe!!

Snee

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 03:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
c1mag, don't you mean: muahahahahahaha!

Keiffer

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You guys are just not getting that based on the information Chiara had this week she made the right move in the game. What she thinks is that Jason is on Roddy's side, and that changes everything. Voting with a Roddy, Jason, Josh team that would include eric makes her in the largest Alliance left in the house. If she knew what we know, and Jason really isn't with Roddy I am sure he vote would have been different.

In addition just like the M/D/Ja rooters wanted a couple out this week because they would have had too much power had that not happened, and the game would have become predictable, I say that unless one of the soul people get put out this week or next that the same thing will happen, and the show will become boring.

Bmh

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That still isn't a justifiable reason..Keiffer like I made a really good point the other thread that you agreed with..

Chiara just made a stupid move..plain and simple..I dont see anyway how keeping Eric benefits Chiara in the long run..her thinking is she might get past a couple of evictions with her "Ja/R/E alliance" but she is screwed end game..there is no way that Chiara will win this game..backstabbing your friend will not look good to the evicted hg's..not to mention that Jason isn't even in her alliance..gezz her stature in the house is going to plummel after Lisa stays and Eric walks out today..unless she wins HOH which I seriously doubt..

Floresmama

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think CBS's little twist will keep the show from getting boring.

Can you just imagine if the doorbell rings tonight and its Lori and she wins HOH. OH my.

Annie_Oakley

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you Keiffer. I really want to see Roddy put up, just to see how he reacts, but I don't want him to be evicted, because then it will be boring.

I think that in a game situation like this, eventually one group will prevail. I am hoping that it won't get boring even after one team or the other is dominant. That is the main reason that I want them to keep Josh. For the duration of his stay, I believe Josh will be constantly puting doubts into everyones minds about each other. That is where the oppourtunity for drama really comes into play.

My hope is that this week, everyone will go after Gerry. I have started to like/feel sorry for him. I would like him out of his misery sooner rather than later. Right now he is the scapegoat for all of their annoyances. Once he is gone, they will have noone to complain about as a group, and then the fireworks will really start.

Keiffer

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bmh I do agree that it hurts her in the endgame if she makes it to the final 2. However for the next couple of weeks based onthe info she has it was the play. We have seen fortunes change in one weeks time in this game. People have short memories. Who knows the mood of the house three weeks from now.

I agree though that for her to stay at this point she has to be put up against Roddy to have any chance (if she gets nomminated).... just about any other player would be safe agaisnt her. The thing is I am not too sure voting either way would have changed that.

Bmh

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Agreed..she is basically screwed if she is nommed..but unfortunately..I think IF she gets nommed it will be with Roddy..so she will likely stay..ugh..I dont know who is worse Roddy or Chiara..tough decsion

Duncan

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL.....could you imagine what would happen to Chiara if the twist were Susan Hawk? We all know how much she LOVES it when a friend stabs a friend in the back!

Floresmama

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh my Duncan!! Now wouldn't that be a sight to behold. Susan Hawke would probably team up with Gerry and lay waste to the rest of the house.

Wink

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well as much as it is necessary from a strategic point of view to evict Roddy as a strong player in the house a sweet comeuppance for Chiara would be to see Rod and Chia up for nomination next week, Lisa (having escaped eviction this week) winning POV and declining to use the POV. No doubt Roddy would be voted out but would Chiara's speech at the POV meeting be a plea for girl power or will she offer herself up as a sacrifice for her "man"?

Bmh

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wouldn't be surprised if she sacrificed herself for Roddy..hell just let Roddy say the word and Chiara will walk herself outta the BB house..that is how much he controls her it is sad...

Costacat

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Wink! You been invading my daydreams again? That is exactly the scenario I've been wishing for.

Ending sentence in preposition... bad, bad...

Countrymeadow

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara's going to have a lot of " splainin" to do when this show's over with. And yes, the Susan Hawke idea is awesome. Can you see her head to head with Josh? ROFL !!!

Earthmother

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara feels guilty, Josh is a priest, Jason's the devil, Roddy's an introvert , Dani is rich, Ohhh! I get this game! lol

Keiffer

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Do you guys think that if Jason told Danny something, or if Danny told Jason something that either one of them would question it? Of course not because they have talked together the whole time, and have not had to make any hard choices.

It is no secret for the game Chiara and Roddy have been the closest with each other concerning the sharing of info. up until now Chiara has not caught Roddy not telling the truth... so she is not questioning what he is telling her, just like D and Ja would not question each other.

Jaysgal

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh God! You guys are being too picky. Let's think this through: Did not Lisa say that she would not campaign against Eric? However, she did so until she was assured by others that she would not be evicted. I mean, she didn't go about saying bad things about him, but she expected to be the one to stay. She has done nothing since she was assured of her stay.

Now, if we are to take Lisa's words sincerely, why would she care whether it were Eric or she? It is one thing if it were Lisa vs. Josh or Lisa vs. Danielle, etc. Such situation would actually be a test of friendship. However, it is not the case. It is a Lisa vs. Eric. According to Lisa, she is so in love with this guy and would avenge his depature. If she is fighting for him, then why should it matter that Chiara chose to save Lisa's so-called love? I mean, don't they say that relationships such as the one Lisa purports to have are one flesh? So, if they are one but are forced to be split, if they are so in love, they can act as Romeo and Juliet, sacrificing themselves (both). Or they should not care who is voted out because it would still be the same as voting the other, since they consider themselves inseparable.

I am almost certain that if it came to Chiara and Roddy, Lisa would save Roddy if Eric pushed her to. She speaks logically but doesn't act logically. Once her man tells her to do something, she'll do it--despite her arguments about why not to do it. The Josh case proves it. She's one of loyalty/commitment. If she had to choose who to be loyal to, she would pick Eric over Chiara.

So, the only bad that Chiara ever did was turning it into badmouthing. I don't understand why she felt compelled to justify it by badmouthing Lisa. But then again, Lisa badmouthed Chiara too days later. Chiara has been honest about her relationship with Lisa. Chiara said from the time of Tonya that she was sooo close to Tonya [than she was to Lisa] and she cried about Tonya's depature. It is if Chiara betrayed Tonya's trust that she would be obliged to justify. But she never did, and she owes not more to Lisa than to Eric.

Maris

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont know if I agree with that Jaysgal. Lisa was a very strong supporter of the women being there at the end. I can even recall conversations where she told Dani that she would sacrifice Eric to maintain the alliance. I believe she would vote against Eric if it was in the interest of the alliance. I have seen quite a few conversations Lisa had with Eric where she did not tell him all she knew or what she had discussed with Dani and Chia. Chia on the other hand couldnt keep anything from Roddy.

I think Lisa is a great game player.

Bmh

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
agreed completely Maris..Lisa's word was true and just and she is smart and a great-gameplayer..she will start playing after tonite..count on it!..Chiara is just a poor excuse for a person..for letting Roddy walk all over her..it's so sad

Lisa would never let Eric manipulate her like that..I dont think..she is more independent than that

Eden

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Chiara made the vote for strategic reasons that's fine. This IS a game. But, Jaysgal is right, what I object to was her having to justify her actions by badmouthing Lisa and saying she'd never really liked her. That was so lame she couldn't even convince herself! That's why she's wracked with guilt!