Spunky | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:03 pm     Too bad it was Lisa and Eric who told about it to Gerry. It should have been someone more neutral, maybe Danielle or Jason, and so Gerry would have believed them. I'm surprised Gerry would want to protect Josh knowing he called him a "nazi". So he probably concluded that Eric and Lisa said that because they were campaigning against Josh and not because it was true. |
Meggieprice | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:03 pm     I think that Gerry planting it in Josh's head that Eric was campaigning for Ger to nominate Josh (if POV removed Lisa )was smart- perhaps Josh is less likely now to tell Roddy that Eric looks like history ...and maybe we wont have to watch the King work everyone over to get them to keep his boy. Because you are right C1, Josh will likely want Eric out now. Obsessively so. |
Bmh | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:05 pm     wait C1mag..if Josh said that to Lisa..what did Eric say because he was sitting right there wasn't he?? C1mag how do you think the vote is gonna go down now I think it is: Chaira-L Roddy-L Dani-E Jason-E Marcie-E Josh-E Do you agree?? |
C1mag | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:08 pm     Meggie I'm having the same thought about that move by Gerry. It was very smart. He knows how Josh works. From week to week Josh flip flops and only goes after the person that wants him out. This is one of a couple of problems with Josh. He's too edgy but this week those nerves were played against him. I'll give this week to Gerry as the best player. He didn't need anyone to get the votes against Eric he did it himself. Well done! I'll tell ya... Between Gerrys strange behavior, Danis greed for the prize, Roddys lust to be in control and Josh's, "I'll do ANYTHING" to stay in this game attitude, we've got us a real contest this year. |
Gouraphik | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:08 pm     I have to give Gerry a modicum of credit for using Josh the way he should be used...as an attack dog. Josh is insecure and paranoid, and will attempt to kill off whoever he believes to be his biggest threat at the time. Give Josh Doggy Dogg a bone and he'll run like the dickens to fetch it. Good Joshie! Goooood boy! Just pray that nobody sic's him on you! I mean, he may not kill you, but he'll sure maul you! Yikes! |
Spunky | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:11 pm     Gouraphik, that got me a good chuckle!!!! Thanks. |
Whit4you | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:15 pm     I think some people might be confused here (understandably with all the people playing both sides of the fence AND doing hand stands on the fence) BUT - Josh is planning to vote out Lisa - he's made that clear to Gerry - he did not say it word for word but he knows that Gerry wants him to vote for Eric and he more or less said he really can't do that but he wasn't sure yet. I don't know what Josh is saying to Lisa but if he is telling her or implying to her that he's not voting her out that's probably because he figured out SHE is staying and like he never told Amy he voted her out - he doesnt plan to tell Lisa he voted her out so if in fact she does stay HE (Josh) will not be the target. Anyhow - Josh has no reason to lie to Gerry about this because first of he's being real honest with Gerry as to his alliances and such (he told him he couldnt offer to save him in a veto situation because of his friendship with Rod....and so on) Apparently he doesnt want to directly tell Gerry that he's going to vote Lisa out because then it might come out that he was for sure one of the 3 Lisa votes when Lisa remains in the house. Josh is not planning to vote Eric out - however it would most definately BE in his best interest to do so. And perhaps he may in the end - this place is crazy it's like beyond intense all the game playing and strategizing going on - they are all gonna need counselling for PTSS by the end. lol. What I think is funny is the 4 pack made it clear when things were going as they wanted them to go that 'campaigning' against the other nominee is the wrong thing to do - and it's been non stop campaigning amoungst them all since the min the noms happened this week LOL. If in fact they were all a team - then um why would their be any need for any discussion about the eviction this week they should if they are not hypocrits not campaign against the one they want out and just let what happens happen. But honestly - I don't wanna see any of the 4 pack win so this is a great turn of events for me - it might just guarantee a win for one of the others.... |
C1mag | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:18 pm     Bmh are you ready for this? Lisa had to point it out to Eric cause it went right over his head. She said, "What the hell did he mean by that? He's so two face. He made it sound like he is standing in my corner and yet all weekend long he has been campaigning to get me out" Then Eric said, "Who knows with that guy, maybe he's just trying to be nice" At that point I had to say outloud, "Eric, you really are a bubble head"... Here's my predictions for the votes Evict Eric Josh Marc Dani jason Chiara ( She didn't vote to keep josh over Tonya so I believe in the end she won't betray Lisa. Plus I heard her last week complain that there were not enough women in the game and she said it too Roddy. Unless she comes right out and says she is evicting Lisa I won't believe it. She will keep Lisa in the game) Evict Lisa Roddy. Now this would be too funny if this happens cause King Roddy would clearly see that he is NOT in control of the game. However, I can't count him out cause he is too damn good. He will simply go to plan B whatever that may be. Are you ready for this? Watch for him to court Dani! Maybe he would asses she might be too hard to beat so maybe he should align with her. She wants this money bad. Big problem! She might do it and in the end it may be the biggest mistake she ever made. Just like Nicole saving Will for her own greedy self. |
Whit4you | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:20 pm     Vote will probably be unless the shi* really hits the fan between now and then Dani - E Jason -E Marc - E Josh - L Rod - L Chaira will either make it a tie breaker and vote for L - or she will vote for E and he's out. Either way Eric will be out unless something big goes down between now and then (like Rod/Chaira find out Jason is NOT on their side...) |
Gouraphik | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:21 pm     No...you don't need to (and you shouldn't) "tell" Josh to do anything. Just point out the trail for Josh to follow, and let him make his own conclusions. If it works, he'll do all the hard work for you, because he'll really be doing it for himself (in his mind). In Josh's mind, all threats must be eradicated NOW. So he'll work himself like mad in order to wipe out his foe du jour. That's what makes him so useful...as long as you're not the target yourself. |
Bmh | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:22 pm     Ya I agree completly C1mag..I reviewed the LFP's and it does seem to me that now Josh wants Eric out..and I somewhat agree with what you said about Chiara too..I mean she never out-right said I am going to evict Lisa..but Im still not sure..I dont think Roddy would let her off the hook until she agreed in someway that she would vote to evict Lisa |
Gouraphik | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:25 pm     I'll have to see how Josh starts acting towards Eric before I make any final conclusions. However, the seed of doubt has been planted...and given enough evidence (and a little water), he'll chop Eric down like a cherry tree. I love Josh. He's such a cute insecure emotional wreck. |
C1mag | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:28 pm     Whit I'm not discounting your theory about Josh still voting to keep Eric but there is one glitch in what you have used as an example to his character. Josh has an obvious approach to this game. He was told Eric wants to target him to go. This doesn't sit well with him and he usually drops that person very fast and wants that person gone. Since he now knows that Eric is definitely going he can keep it quiet and vote him out as well. He won't have to look at the man cause he will be gone and the game moves on. Lisa could count the votes and clearly see that he did in fact keep her in the game or she could see that he did Not keep her in. He already knows that she doesn't care for him. He's trying to mend fences with the person that is staying. Thats why he went and said that too her. I truly believe that in this case he has quickly shifted gears and is not going to keep someone in that would want him specifically out. it's his nature. |
Bmh | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:28 pm     I agree Gouraphik..he was sittin and watchin E/L playing chess..but got up and left and went to the HRD..I already see him acting a little differently toward Josh..I mean Josh didn't say 1 word to Eric while E/L were playing chess..oh and I agree C1mag..how stupid could Eric get?..he is a lost cause..lol |
Bmh | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:38 pm     damn..I guess we were all wrong..Chiara and Josh had a conversation on the hammock about the vote..and Josh said he is voting to evict Lisa..but he wants her to know he is still supporting her..and then Chiara said I will have to talk to Eric next week..then added or Lisa..and she said she will talk to Josh too..saying you are going to think I am totally diabolical..so I guess they are both voting to evict Lisa So the vote is: Jason-Eric Danielle-Eric Marcellas-Eric Josh-Lisa Chiara-Lisa Roddy-Lisa Gerry will then vote out Eric..C/R/E will be shocked and then C will be screwed..Josh knowing all along that Eric would be evicted wouldn't be surprised at all though |
Crispy | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 10:46 pm     I think Josh is excited now - because Chiara is voting to evict Lisa. Now he can vote to evict Eric and blame Chiara for defecting from the group, when in reality it is him. Roddy will probably believe Josh - not Chiara - could be some cool fireworks!!! |
C1mag | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:07 pm     Bmh pay closer attention to what he says. Remember this is Josh. He just wanted to know where she was at in the game. Like I said... This guy will NOT vote to keep in a person that he knows would vote him out especially when he knows that even with a tie they would be going. He will evict Eric and start kissing the girls butts cause he knows he is very vulnerable with them right now. |
Bmh | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:12 pm     I hope your right C1mag..I'm not really worried either way..because Gerry has already said in the case of a tie he would evict Eric..so Eric is going..but I would be even more relieved if Josh voted to evict Eric too..but why would he flat out say he was voting to evict Lisa?..I just cant figure out this guy..We will know either way..if Josh tells Roddy that Eric is in-trouble and that Gerry is going to vote to evict Eric in the case of a tie..then we know Josh is still gunning for Lisa..but if he never mentions anything then he could def. be voting to evict Eric..but I now know for sure..that Chiara is a traitor and will vote to evict Lisa |
Tootseug | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:13 pm     Gouraphik, great post. Right on about Gerry's playing this week, and I am laughing myself silly. I myself have thought of him as a nervous nellie, but "attack dog" is much more accurate. Thanks for the laugh. |
C1mag | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:24 pm     Well Josh just went to Lisa and told her she is staying in and it was basically the plan all along and he totally snowed her into believing he was part of the reason she is staying so she just needs to stay cool. LOL This dude is off the hook one <>! So I guess it's a done deal he is evicting Eric. Will she REALLY believe that he can be trusted even after she remains? Not on your life!! As I pointed out... if he finds out that someone SPECIFICALLY is targeting him he drops them quickly, does some damage control and slithers away. Applause too Gerry for doing this one. It's too funny! Poor Josh has no idea that he is nothing but the house pawn. Everything he has done will eventually come back and bite him real hard. For now though I will take the Eric eviction and savor it. This does not make me a Josh fan but rather makes me more supportive of Gerry and his journey. |
Bmh | Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 11:53 pm     Yay..C1mag..Im happy now!!..this is great..I now hate Roddy and Chiara more than Josh which is hard for me to say because I used to really hate him..but the last straw for me was Chiara decided to backstab her friend..ok now I can go to sleep knowing for now eric is gone .. I still cant wait for the look on Chiara,Roddy,and Eric's faces when Eric gets evicted it will be a kodak moment lol |
Tootseug | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:05 am     I am glad it is going down this way. I wish I disliked Eric more, I don't. But he is not playing the game well. But, he's getting the girl, so that is nice. Gerry, excellent playing. Seems to be the best player this week. I am so dissappointed in Danielle I could spit. She really f****d up! She had not made any mistakes until this one, and so a part of me still thinks that she has something in the back of her mind. The most logical thing to me is, is that this ploy is bringing Chiara out in the open, and Lisa then putting Chiara in her sites. Boom! |
Bmh | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 09:55 am     I believe so too..Tootseug..Dani aint dumb..I think she planned Chiara to tell Roddy everything the whole time..so when the vote comes around and Eric is gone..both R/C are screwed and she can recruit Lisa in her alliance |
Tootseug | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 10:06 am     Yes Bmh, the only thing about this scenerio is, that it bring Jason out in the open, which I thought they were going to try and avoid. But when the votes are counted, it will be obvious. I guess he can't stay hidden forever. That also, may be on Dani's mind. It would be easier to win against Jerry than Jason. Anyone? |