Spunky | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 10:10 pm     I remember Shannon told some of the hgs in BB2 to evict her unanimously because she wanted Will to stay and so she did not put up a fight against Will. I know she had a lot of enemies but she did ask all of them to be evicted unanimously. I'm surprised that Eric did not suggest this to Lisa or vice-versa. I would have liked Eric to be the gentleman in this and ask everyone to save Lisa. What better proof of Love would this be?? But what they have ain't love... |
Ellenkats | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 10:14 pm     Well.... Shannon had nothing to lose with her generous 'save Will' campaign. She was so hated. Even someone who got along with her must have thought in the back of their head 'this woman is a nutcase, irritate her and she might put *my* toothbrush in the toilet.' How could anyone have not voted her out -- you couldn't trust her after Hardy's toothbrush incident. but I agree, Eric isn't in love with Lisa, only with getting some action in the house. |
Curlyq | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 10:14 pm     Call me a skeptic but I never bought that Shannon did that out of love. I always figured she was afraid to go up against Will in the vote because it would have been too embarrassing if she lost out to the "Evil Dr." By telling everyone to vote her out, she could always tell herself that they did it because she asked for it and not because they already planned to anyway. Also, I think Eric and Lisa have an agreement that they would keep their relationship separate from the game. |
Wcv63 | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 10:27 pm     Curly very true. Shannon knew she was going out unanimously anyway. She guaranteed it after using Hardy's toothbrush to clean the toilet. She asked for it only to save face. |
Muse | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 10:31 pm     I think Shannon was arrogant enough to think she could stay if she really tried. Or possibly stay, at least. And she's probably right - it was only when she started being *really* nasty (toothbrush ) that the other HGs totally made up their minds. Shannon also probably figured that she and Will had little to no chance of make the final two. So she was willing just to go home, since she only liked a few people in the house anyway. She also seemed to think that Will would be better at manipulating people to try to stay around a bit longer (and she was right ). I also agree with Curlyq that Eric and Lisa have decided to keep their relationship separate from the game. So much so, in fact, that Eric has made some subtle moves to make sure she goes, even if he does like her. lol |
Battlestar | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 10:33 pm     Wcv----I was just going to say that too. Her asking everyone to vote for her had nothing to do with WILL and everything to do with her Pride and to for some bizarre reason she felt that by doing so she took control of the vote and not Hardy |
Bmh | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 10:33 pm     Ya I agree Muse..Eric has indirectly said some things to get reassurance that Lisa goes.. Boy is he in for a surprise on thursday when he gets evicted..poor guy thinks he is staying..lol |
Wcv63 | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 10:37 pm     Exactly Battlestar! Taking control away from Hardy was one of the reasons she actually used I believe. |
Sonia | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 06:38 am     Very true Battlestar and Wcv63. I remember very well that Hardy did campaing to make a tie between W & S, because he wanted to have the pleasure to decide himself, as HOH, to say her to get out. Shannon wanted to break Hardy's campaing by asking to everybody the vote against her. She was so conscient than everybody dislike her and in this situation, she understood it was better for her to go. And as Muse say, I agree she was also conscient than Will was more able than her to stay in the game and possibly win. I was not at all a fan of Shannon in BB2, she had a lot of sides I didn't like on her, but she was not naive, she was conscient of what happen. But I also agree with everybody here she would be evicted anyway even if she wouldn't ask. |
Keiffer | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 06:50 am     Why is the question of why Eric isn't pulling a Shannon to prove his love, instead of why isn't Lisa doing it? |
Bernie | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 06:56 am     Keiffer, look again at the thread title - it says "Why not Lisa or Eric" and Spunky refers to Lisa or Eric too, not just Eric. Everyone else just talked about Shannon last year, so no one is begging the question! PS-Are you practising for the devil's advocate position this year?  |
Keiffer | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 07:08 am     "I would have liked Eric to be the gentleman in this and ask everyone to save Lisa. What better proof of Love would this be?? But what they have ain't love..." "but I agree, Eric isn't in love with Lisa, only with getting some action in the house" Those are quotes from the first two posts of this thread. I was just pointing out the slant that sometimes happens concerning Lisa. And yes just like rooting for CT last year, and rooting for the couples this year I seem to fight the trend on the board. If everybody would just switch and root for the same people I do then I wouldn't have to seem to be playing the "devil's advocate ". |
Rnr60 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 07:21 am     Wow, Keiffer, I'm almost speechless. We should switch and root for the same people you do? Why, is your opinion the only one that is right and that counts? |
Keiffer | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 07:24 am     Rnr60.... just a touch of sarcasim there.... Lighten up. Of course I don't expect people to switch to my way of thinking. I was in the minority last year just like this, and to be honest I enjoy it. Much more fun for me to be in the minority when it comes to favorites. Please don't switch if you are for the non-couples. |
Crazydog | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 07:36 am     Keiffer, I liked Chilltown last year too, I thought they were the only ones in the house who wanted to have fun. I have also liked the couples. Well, really I like Lisa and Eric. Roddy and Chiara's relationship is one of infatuation on Chiara's part and manipulation on Roddy's. Lisa and Eric seem to have a real relationship, it's too bad that Eric will go on Thursday. I think both of them want to stay in the house but I also think that neither wants the other to sacrifice themselves. |
Earthmother | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 07:36 am     and no one went to Shannon and said "I got your back"..at least no one without a butcher knife in it... |
Keiffer | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 07:38 am     Good point Crazy, and I agree in the thinking of the two sets of couples. Myself I would much rather if I had to choose have Eric and Lisa around that Roddy and Chiara. |
Mrdisguise | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 07:39 am     I had the impression that Will the puppetmaster encouraged Shannon to misbehave so that all the houseguests would dislike her and vote her out. Will just sat back and let Shannon be a and Will was safe again. After Hardy nominated Shannon and Will, Shannon became bitchier and cleaned the toilet with his toothbrush for revenge ( I think that is how it happened). That was my impression but I don't know if Will had anything to do with Shannon's behavior. |
Earthmother | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 07:48 am     The title of this thread suggests that Will and Shannon somehow had a better relationship based on some magnanimous gesture (showing undying love for Will) when in fact she was "Dead Woman Walkin." How is that gesture considered love for her man. If you are on death row and you give your dog to your victim are you being bountiful and loving? Or; Your dog has to eat and you're going to die so why not make yourself look good in the process, the governor may give you a reprieve. |
Eden | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 08:13 am     It's a romantic idea to ask why Eric, being the man, not do something heroic, gallant, self sacrifing for his lady... falling on his sword, as it were. Such is the tradition of the Knight. It is also part of the Edwardian tradition of a Gentleman. Eric is neither a Knight nor a Gentleman, he's a guy in a game trying to win money who happened to meet a nice girl. Seems to me neither of them have really done anything for or against one another because they have anticipated the outcome, rightly or wrongly, and feel it's a fait accompli. Eric thinks he is staying. Lisa thinks she's going. I hope they are both wrong! |
Danielle | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 08:18 am     I beileve that Eric does care alot for Lisa and wants to get together after the show ..but your not gonna give up on a game you came to play .. The realtionship is to NEW to say it's love and besides they don't even know eachother outside the house. If he gave up a game for a girl he would be an idiot .. if it's meant to be with them it will be.. Lisa is pretty genuine and I'm sure she underdstands and she's not ready to give it up is she? so why put this all on Eric... just my thought! |
Bidasea | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 08:31 am     Hey Keiffer..That's the best part of this board..You can have any opinion you want to have, and No One will put you down for it.Personally I love reading your posts..I also believe that Eric really cares for Lisa..When asked in the D.room if they would see each other on the outside, He said yes..When they interviewed Will(go Will) the other night, he said that Shannon didn't want him to talk about it, but that they are still together. |
Sonia | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 08:39 am     I agree about neither Eric or Lysa have to sacrify himself / herself to save the other. I personnaly don't expect to see a Romeo&Juliette thing in this show, it's a game. If their relation is sincere and serious, it's their total responsability to stay in contact with each other if they want it. Neither Gerry or another hg have to take the responsability or the guiltyness to evict one of them. |
Abigail1970 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 10:00 am     I agree that just because Lisa and Eric got together on the show doesn't mean they need to sacrifice for each other. I am sure both of them realize they are still there playing a game. I actually find them kind of cute to watch and actually hope they do stay together after the show. Although I kind of feel bad for Eric's other girlfriend in CT, what a way to find out your boyfriend is cheating! |
Marysafan | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 10:11 am     I think last year's contestants were much moe concerned about things like relationships and face time and how they were being portrayed. This year's cast seems much more intent on winning the game. |
Crazydog | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 10:13 am     I thought it was reported that Eric's girlfriend in CT was some girl he "won" in some kind of kiss the fireman radio contest. She kissed three firemen and chose him. They ended up dating. There was a link to the radio station's website floating around somewhere, I thought it was here. I'm not sure how long he was with her, but notice he never referred to he as his girlfriend, just that there was "someone he had been seeing prior to entering the house". I wonder if they will interview her for Thursday's show. |