Josh. Has He Lost Sight?
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Wendo

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 03:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
After this most recent brouhaha with Josh telling Mar about the original six, I'm wondering now if Josh is not capable of realizing that if he would just sit back, shut up, and not do anything, he would have a chance. He seems so blinded by his loyalty to Roddy that he's incapable of seeing that he has (or maybe now HAD) a real chance of staying in the game.

Li, Mar, and Dan seemed to really be considering evicting Roddy because it would be a wise move strategically. But, with Josh making yet another bad move with his mouth, I really can't see this happening.

While I've never been a Josh supporter, I find myself wanting to tell him, JOSH, relax, watch what you say, use information carefully and play the game. Right now, I don't think he's playing the game, rather he's playing emotionally. He feels such anger toward Chiara as Mar feels toward Josh. And, we know how Mar plays so emotionally.

Josh has four days to regroup, but he really needs to make an effort if he wants even the slightest chance of staying in this game. And, the sooner he starts, the better, imo.

My coaching to Josh would be:

1) Josh, let go of your blind loyalty to Roddy. It's not allowing you to see the bigger picture. He's not really on your side, he never has been. Like a lot of the players, the only side he's on is his own.

2) Mend your fences with Marcellas directly. Take the time to talk to him, be sincere (and if you can't, then act like it at least), apologize to him for hurting him with your remarks. You only wanted to be honest with him, but you realize that it was not appropriate.

3) Mend your fences with Chi and Lisa. Heck, still hate them if you want, but put on a smile when you're with them and be civil. Join the group, don't isolate yourself. In fact, be on your best behavior possible. You're not in that house to make life long friends, you're there to win a half milliion dollars. If that means sucking up to people you don't like, so be it.

4) Call a group meeting and APOLOGIZE, APOLOGIZE, APOLOGIZE; even if you're not sorry inside. Take responsibility. Fall on your sword, give the mea culpa, explain that you realize you've disrupted the house, you lost yourself for a bit, but that you're ok now and you're sorry that you've made people feel uncomfortable.

5) Finally, don't try to torpedo others while making your apology. This is key. Don't deflect away from yourself by trying to get others mad at other HG's. It makes you appear childish and doesn't help your cause. Be the bigger person, be a man. You don't have to like it, or want to do it, but it will help you. Because, if you don't, you give the others ammunition to continue to dislike you, talk about you, and feel better about voting you out.

Anyway, these are my thoughts. I haven't done a complete turn around on Josh, however, I think he still has a chance if he would only regain control of himself.

Jasons_First

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 03:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, About Josh's blind loyalty to Roddy:I think Josh has a major crush on Roddy. He doesn't even realize it. I guess we all have our "gay crush" (I think Lisa is waaaaayyyyy hot) but he was talking about how he is basically playing the game for Roddy to win. Josh saddens me because he doesn't even realize he's being and has been played. I don't like most of these people because they are so afraid of betraying Roddy. Roddy is the only one they've been that way with. I too wish he would shut up and let Lisa, Mar and Dani get rid of Roddy. My problem is, Marcellas is too emotional and will be looking to evict Josh based on emotion instead of being rational and evicting not so "Hot Rod".

Duncan

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems to be that Josh's paranoia is swelling. So far I think he has said that everyone there has an agenda specifically against him.

Oh wait.....they do. LOL

Byeric

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 03:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone else find this as puzzling as I do. Did they know each other outside of the house? How long had they known each other before Josh jumped on the Roddy bandwagon. I really don't understand their relationship or Josh's blind loyalty.

Costacat

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 03:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm as puzzled as you Byeric. I don't *think* they knew each other, but I have no idea why Josh is blindly playing follow the leader with Roddy.

Well, other than that Josh says he "loves" Roddy.

Discuss amongst yourselves...

Silksmoke

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Excellent advice to Josh Wendo. He's wearing his heart on his sleeve, and I don't know where he's wearing his medulla oblongata, but I don't think it's anywhere on his person. Hopefully he will take a step back, a deep breath, revitalize his oxygen deprived brain cells and reconsider his blind allegiance to Rod.

I'm not a Josh fan, but after experiencing the heady thrill of Chiara nominating Roddy, I need to cling to the hope that I will see a stunned and stupified Chiara as Roddy departs into the "sunshine" (as Eric made note of on his eviction walk of shame).

Avery

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Personally, I think it is cause no matter if it is with good intent or not, Roddy will always take the time to listen to Josh. The others walk away, some start yelling. Whether, he is playing Josh big time, (I am not going there, it will be analyzed enough), he does make Josh feel like he is his buddy. Any one of them could have had Josh as ally and played him for his vote all along in this game. I think Josh has been screaming for someone to take him in like that, Roddy jumped on that role. IMHO

Moedog

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If only Josh could see convos between Roddy and Eric about him. His idol would come crashing down. Josh doesn't have a clue that Roddy has been using him as his mouthpiece and snitch. <sigh>

C1mag

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 04:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually last night Josh did point out to Roddy that Rod shouldn't be surprised if he gets booted instead of Josh. Josh was being honest with him and wasn't playing the game. He fealt sincerely bad that it may happen. He said that if the others are playing the game they should go after the stronger player and in this case they would go after Roddy. It was a weird moment because Roddy let that go right over his head and suggested that he thought the others would go after the more negative energy. I posted this last night because I found it one of those moments when Roddy truly just didn't get that in this game nice guys aren't going to finish first.

Penpoint

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 04:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Even the worst person has something positive within. Josh's positive trait is that he admires someone and is loyal to him. However, the question should be, "Why does Roddy feel any allegience to Josh?"

Wendo

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 04:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, Oh I don't think that comment went over Roddy's head AT ALL. He knows that could happen easily, which is why Roddy has made every effort (subtley) to remind the HG's that negative energy in the house is bad. He's well aware that he's a target because he's a strong player.

Take, for instance, his speech to the group yesterday about keeping the house quiet this week, no disruptions, etc. Don't you think that Roddy has Josh's number? Knows what kind of person he is, how he'll react? He does. By setting up the "don't talk about the game, keep things pleasant" deal, I think he knew that Josh wouldn't stick to it. Really, he set Josh up. 'Cause, Josh did continue to talk the game, we knew he would, Roddy knew he would, so, to the other HG's Josh does yet another thing to make the other HG's mad at him. Keep the focus on Josh and off Roddy.

If you really think about it, Roddy is using Josh in the same way he uses Chiara. (And I'm not dinging Rod for that, he is playing the game.) Roddy knows how Josh adores him, has his undying loyalty, he even knows he has his jury vote. It's best for Rod actually to get Josh out now. He has his vote for the $$$, and he gets the negative energy out. Chiara's the same way. Blinded by this man that she wants to marry and have children with.

Roddy is playing with these people's emotions. But, they're allowing it to happen so I don't fault Roddy, he's doing what he can to win. I just don't like it. I suppose that's why I like Dani's game more than his. I have yet to see her use people's emotions (their friendship) to her benefit. Roddy uses his affection to Chiara and Rod to control them. Giving it and taking it back to manipulate them, to control them. It's rather insidious.

Wendo

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Penpoint, yes, I would say that his loyalty to Roddy is a good thing. But, it will also lead to him losing this game, and that's a shame. Loyality is not an attribute that's important in this game. Blind loyalty doesn't allow you to see the larger game.

As far as Why Is Roddy Loyal To Josh? I don't think he is. Maybe as a friend, he likes him, and will be buds outside of the house. But, in the game, Roddy is no more loyal to Josh than he is to Chiara (evidenced by his discussion with Gerry about if she has to be put up, so be it.) Roddy has made many negative statements about Josh, they've just been really subtle.

Jaysgal

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 04:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why is Josh's loyalty a mystery? I think that it is no mystery that Josh feels such obligation toward Roddy.

If you recall, Josh was in a dilemma when Marcellas nominated him. About that time, Josh had questioned whether Roddy was playing them. Chiara and the rest of their group went spreading the story to Roddy about how Josh suggested that Roddy was playing them. Roddy called Josh and questioned him. Josh evaded the question by pretending not to recall, and then he later denied he had made any such statement.

It was at that point that Josh began saying how he liked Roddy and trusted Roddy. And sure enough, Roddy stuck to his promise to keep/lobby for Josh.

I think that that is how the story went. It is not therefore surprising that he feels some obligation. Roddy has been true to him not to put him up. Who wouldn't believe that after Roddy saved his behind?

Wcv63

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 05:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If I recall there was that strange epiphany in the hot tub allegedly brought about by Roddy. Since then Josh has been rabidly pro-Roddy. Every word that falls from Roddy's lips is treated as gospel by Josh.

The thing is that his epiphany didn't seem to brought on by anything at all. He was just sitting there and WHAMMO....epiphany hit him on the head.

Perhaps Roddy hypnotised him the same way that giant motivational speaker (I can't remember his name. As a matter of fact I can't remember a lot of things these days. I think BB is using up too many of my brain cells) hypnotised Jack Black in Shallow Hal.

Wendo

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 05:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63, what was the epiphany? I know I missed that on the live feeds and never found out what it was. If you recall, could you recount it here. Thx.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 05:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, no one out here was ever able to figure it out. Josh started talking about epiphanies and how for the first time in his entire life he feels true peace. And Roddy is the reason for this wonderful feeling!! He talked, we listened, we never could understand WHAT Roddy did or said that hit Josh like a ton of bricks.

No one saw anything or heard anything or was able to confirm anything. We all surmised that Josh was full of sh*t and was putting on a show.

What555456

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have seen things like the Josh/Roddy phenomenon before. It is nothing more than the worship of those who perceive themselves to be weak and inferior for those they perceive to be strong and superior. There is seldom any truth in this -- but it is how they perceive it.

One sees it a lot in high school among boys -- the non-athletic types who hang around with the jocks, will do anything for them, and are extremely satisfied with any attention sent their way. It was sad to see then. It is sad to see now.

Loppes

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 06:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe Josh has lost credibility and respect.
Lon

Theowl

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 06:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I see it as that cartoon with the big bulldog (Charlie, I think) and the little skinny dog (Chester, I think) jumping around him telling him he's right.