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Babsbunny3

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What is the deal w/ Josh wanting his key to be first? How does this somehow allow him to know if he can trust someone or not? If this clown was buggin me like that I'd make sure his key was (1st choice) not in the box or, (2nd choice) if for some reason I HAD to save his butt, his key would be dead last. Just wondering what the key placement has to do w/ anything?

Orwellsvision

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was also wondering what the real significance is of Josh wanting his key to be in the nomination box's first slot. I heard him say something about how he needs to know if he's been nominated immediately and doesn't want to wait in anticipation like everyone else. Then, if his key ISN'T pulled first, he knows right away that he's been nominated..

But, I wonder if there's something more to it.. Anyone know?

Babsbunny3

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, if he had only mentioned it once I could understand him saying that...but he has brought it up at least twice that I've read (on two separate occasions) and he seems very adament about it. Like he's acting like its SO IMPORTANT.

theories please.

Bmh

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ugh..Josh just wants to control things in some way or form..If I was in that house..and he asked me to do that..if I was HOH..I would definitely put his key last in the box out of spite..he has no right telling the HOH how and where to put his key..that is their decsion and their's only..I dont think Marcie,Dani,or Jason would put his key first if asked..

Rnr60

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems like I remember reading on the feeds that Amy was going to contact Merrit for him, and he told Gerry that placing his key in the first position was some sort of message for Merrit. That it was important to him (Josh) that Gerry do this.

Earthmother

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh wants his key to be first for the same reason kids want to be first in the lunch line at school. The food sucks, but they get to play outside before everyone else..

Nermal

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He told Gerry that it was some message to Merritt. But, I think it's just a control thing too. Otherwise why would he want everyone to know about it? Can't wait for him to be gone!

Babsbunny3

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rnr60, wow. Well thats interesting. Any confirmations from anyone on that?

(Geez, if that is interesting I must be really reaching huh.)

I'd still put the clown's key dead last. He gets on my nerves w/ that. I hate to ask, but can anyone tell me...DID Gerry put Josh's key first?? Thanx in advance.

Nermal

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, he put it first.

Bmh

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry to go a little off topic..but I have noticed that the Josh bashing has slowed down a bit..while the Chiara,Roddy,and Dani bashing is going on strong on the boards..whats up with that?..I dont think Josh has changed he is still the slimeball he was on the first episode..dont get me wrong though..I enjoy bashing Roddy and Chi cuz they are just so friggin annoying

Rnr60

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Gerry did put Josh's key first. But I have to agree with Nermal- it was probably more a control thing than anything else.

Orwellsvision

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A message to Mewitt?? He would have had to discuss it with her beforehand for her to understand this message -- which means he would have had to know all about how the nomination process works prior to going into the house!

No, I definitely agree with the rest of you. Sounds like Josh is just a control freak who wants to spare himself the anticipation that everyone else has to experience when the keys are getting pulled.

Jadebutterfly

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know Bmh, I was wondering that myself last night. I was listening to Josh attempt to defend Gerry from some of the bashing and I thought 'When Josh starts to sound like the voice of reason, it's time to step away from the RealPlayer and go to bed!" Yikes!

Crazydog

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 08:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Do they have to pull the keys in order? Why can't they just pull whatever key they want? If I was HoH I'd put Josh dead last every time just because he squirms so much and deserves the torture.

Carigsby

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Orwell - the nomination process was the same last year, so he would've been able to make a plan with Merritt based on watching last year.

Tortie2k

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazydog, I thought the same thing about the pull order. I thought anyone could pick any key. Do they *have* to pick them in strict order? What is the point of that?

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
BMH: I think Josh has altered his gameplan to win by staying a few steps BEHIND the posse instead of ahead of it. We're going to have to circle around or execute a flank maneuver to get him back in our sites.

Earthmother

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
attaching the site to my rifle as we speak wagon master..

Earthmother

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to leave for awhile, but if you see the varment shoot first ask questions later!

Max

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They have to pick the keys in order. It allows the HOH to "send a message" to people via placement, if they want to. For example, Gerry putting Josh's key first tells Josh that he is doing a good job of controlling Gerry's actions. Now, granted, Gerry could be playing Josh by doing that, but that it also part of the game.

I think Josh's nerves are getting more frazzled as the game progresses. As was noted early on, both in and out of the house, Josh just can't stop playing the game, even for a minute. It's got to be very stressful to always be figuring the angles.

His behaviour seems to reflect this. His body language is never really relaxed, even when he's trying to look that way. The increase in his use of profanity and sarcasm on just about a 24/7 basis is another indicator. I don't think we're seeing anything like the Josh that Merrit and his friends know in the real world.

The nomination process is a HUGE stress inducer. I think he is having more and more difficulty waiting out those kinds of things (nominations, veto, eviction) and that's part of why he wants to have his key be first. Then he can breathe through the rest of the process.

Of course, I also think part of it is his obsessive control issue in trying to run the game. His strategy is just about the polar opposite of Jason's. I don't care for Josh (the Josh I see in the house), but I have to admit that he does add a point of intrigue and interest to the combination of personalities.

Kaili

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Message to Mewitt---relayed via Amy---if my key is pulled first it means that I can tell Gerry what to do.

Sonia

Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 02:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting post Max. You give good points.

Orwellsvision

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't wait to see Josh's face when his key ISN'T pulled first this week, and in fact -- it isn't pulled at all!!!

Cmc209

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Do the houseguests have to pull the keys in order in the nom box or can they just pick random keys? If I was in the house I would probably be the one to pick from the middle after the 1st key is pulled.

Seamonkey

Friday, August 09, 2002 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy was supposed to call Merrit when she left the house (not knowing that she would be sequestered).

I haven't been on the board for a few hours.. did Josh ask Chiara to put his key first? Last night Dani asked her to put the girls' keys first and Chiara said she would. Of course that was right after HOH comp.

Josh has NO ability to wait with grace.. so I guess he wants to move from the tension of whether he is nominated on to his next tension.. trying to analyze who is nominated and what that means to him, how to play it and of course the tension of power of veto. He seems to be emotionally strung out 24/7.

Also Lisa told Chiara that HOH can sequence the keys any way, but that "they" (producers) tell them to "make it dramatic".

So, once again, Joshy tries to produce the show his way.

As for me.. he wouldn't be pulling a key, first OR last. His key would be in the nomination bag..