Archive through August 08, 2002
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Archive through August 08, 2002
Keiffer | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:21 pm     Are you guys saying that it was wrong for Chiara to be friendly to Lisa, get to know her, spend time talking to her, and then form an opnion based on knowing her for 4 weeks? Is it so bad? Does she HAVE to keep the exact opnion of her that she had the first two weeks? She isn't allowed to change her mind? I don't know if she actually doesnt like Lisa, or if she was just trying to rationalize in her mind the vote she was making, but in either case I think she should be allowed to for an opnion basd on time together, and not first impressions. |
Jadeygurl39 | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:27 pm     Lighten up Keiffer. Just like you are blinded by your own view points about Chiara and Lisa so are others (including myself). It is our opinions. Can't you lighten up and give the posters a bit more credit than jumping to conclusions. ARe you living vicariously through Chiara and Lisa or what? I would love to get you a date with Chiara....truly.... |
Cricket | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:28 pm     Eden, I agree with about the show finally showing "The Two Faces of Chiara" at last. When I watched it last night, I thought wow, Chiara seems so nice on the TV show. Tonight they showed a little more of the real Chiara behind the scenes. |
Keiffer | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:31 pm     You know I just do not get it. I keep being told that other people can have their opnions on here. I NEVER in my post just now said that other points were wrong. I asked it in question form, actually thinking that I might get a responce pointing out how my thinking on it was wrong. Why is it that people who bash the couples are just stating opnions, but when I defend them I am in some way depriving other posters of there point of views? I still think my question regarding being allowed to change her mind is just as valid as bashing her for doing it. |
Jadeygurl39 | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:33 pm     Well I bow out on this one Keiffer. You can believe what you think. I gave my and you can take it or leave it. |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:35 pm     Keiffer of course you're entitled to your opinion! And yes Chiara is allowed to change her mind. In my thinking, Chiara didn't change her mind. Roddy changed it for her. Instead of just saying that she was changing her vote for strategic reasons she began pulling Lisa apart bit by bit. Rationalize, justify, demonize...we have called it all those things about each and every houseguest who "changes his/her mind" in the game. We don't give them any slack even though we understand the concept. |
Jadeygurl39 | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:36 pm     I see your point Wcv and it makes sense to me.  |
Reader234 | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:37 pm     Didnt Chia give a line that made it on TV about male members, and female parts? That totally cracked me up!! IF nothing else, you gotta admit, she made it on the TV show, she even made hoh this week, she gets the spotlight!! Love it or hate it, it does give us something to write about. |
Bmh | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:38 pm     Keiffer..I try and defend Dani all the time..it doesn't work on this board..you might as well give up the fight on loving the couples and how you dont like when people bash them...I didn't work in my favor either |
Goddessatlaw | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:39 pm     Keiff: you know I enjoy your advocacy, but you diminish your effectiveness when you undertake to defend the indefensible. Such as - your attack on the posts regarding that hideous letter from Chiara's mother. There is no defense for Chia or her mother's very public unkindness to the girl. Rather than say "well, not good" you turn it into an attack on the board members who object to such profoundly distasteful behavior. Certainly you're not required to adopt a centrist view, but there are limits to which you can defend a position and still expect to be taken seriously. Just a thought - not a slam. I still always enjoy your vociferous defense of the voiceless on this board. PS we are having fun, aren't we? |
Jadeygurl39 | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:43 pm     Goddess, eloquently put!!! |
Caliogirl | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:45 pm     Here, here Goddess -- well said. |
Angelsluv | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 09:56 pm     It's sad to think that we are talking about a 25 year old woman, and not a 17 year old teenager. Many people have traumatic childhoods for one reason or another, but it's really pathetic to spend the rest of your life doing things and blaming your upbringing/non-upbringing/trauma for what you "are" as an adult. Seems like Chia is doing this.. It's just sad.... I guess it's true, you can't go a day without one juicy rationalization.. |
Avery | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:01 pm     I don't always agree with Goddess but that was a very good post and well said, is right. I tend to argue about the bashing all the time, but I have never said or thought anyone in there is perfect and above some criticism. If it is as obvious as something as that letter, how can you not fault that? It is very hard to be the poster that is not on the bandwagon around here. I find myself walking away more times than not. I am trying to hold my tongue more than I sometimes wish to or to avoid the obvious threads that are going to make me crazy. I do appreciate when someone goes out on a limb and defends though. We all have different opinions and when I speak of the bashing I often get hammered about my lack of letting someone have an opinion. Having an opinion is one of the greatest gifts in the world to me. I wish more used theirs personally. My argument was how nasty it gets. I made some people mad when I talked about their hatred of some of the HG's. They didn't like the idea of it being "hatred". It was not meant to be harsh to posters as much as when I read thru some of this stuff it is hard to think it is anything but hatred. If someone never said a nice word about you would you not think the same? Either way it wasn't to offend, and my apologies for those it did, I know that we all are wishing for someone different to win. I honestly have no clue who I want to win yet. I again just wanted it to not be so mean spirited. |
Jadeygurl39 | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:04 pm     Bravo Avery, great point and I agree. Thanks for making that clear. That made a lot of sense to me.  |
Goddessatlaw | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:06 pm     Thanks, Avery - and  |
Caliogirl | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:10 pm     I agree Avery. I don't know who I want to win yet either. I do know that you can play the game and be cunning without being malicious or mean spirited. If the winner is someone who played well (including being deceptive) than here's to them. I just don't like the meanness in some of the HG's (and a few posters for that matter). All in all though we seem to be a better group outside of house than those in the house... |
Cute1073 | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:13 pm     guys this may be redundant but I'm agreeing with Avery and Keiffer here. It is really annoying when you watch many houseguests you like be constantly bashed and then if we stand up for them sudenly we are being told that we are foolish etc etc. I am someone who tries to see people in context. It isn't fair to bash Chiara for telling Roddy (someone she is closest to there) that she finds Lisa annoying. So what, she was venting, And anyone here who critizies her for that ought to take a look at their own lives for context! This is her home right now and sometimes people annoy you and usually you just wouldn't hang out for a couple days but there you have no choice. Suddenly you need to vent and thats what she did with Roddy! The wool isn't being pulled over my eyes, i just consider all the factors. As for the letter I try to with hold judgement. This is because there isn't near enough proof to critize chiara's mother since we only know her from that one letter. We can say that letter was bad, I don't think it is right however to start saying that chiara's mother is a bad person based on that one page letter. We have no idea what kind of humor that family has whether there are inside jokes or a sarcastic humour. Maybe Chiara's cousin was standing right next to her mother when she wrote it. Maybe thats why chiara was laughing, because it is a joke, I'm not saying these are all true, all i'm saying is that because these are possibilites judgement on Chiara's mother's personal morals should be suspended. and i'm not having very much fun right now. It's hard to be someone who tries to see good in EVERYONE in the house. Tonight I didn't care who won HOH, it was fun just to wonder what each person would do if up. |
Nermal | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:23 pm     Cute, I agree that we can't judge her mother from that one letter, but can condemn that one letter. It may have been an aberration, but it wasn't a joke. Even Chiara has been talking to Danielle and the others over ice cream about how she can't believe her mother said that about her cousin on national tv, even though her cousin really does have bad skin and really does need to see a plastic surgeon. Right now Josh is reading it and telling Chiara that her mother is a b**** for writing that about her cousin. However, I am going to assume that her mother had no idea that it would be read out loud. She probably only meant it for Chiara's ears and didn't mean to hurt her niece's feelings. |
Cute1073 | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:26 pm     see, now that gives me more to go on...I did say in my post that we can judge the letter. I think i'm just feeling defensive tonight because i've seen so many negative posts lately. At least Chiara is acknowledging that the letter was inappropriate. I can unfortunately see my mother being that critical of someone although I doubt she would do it if I was going to read the letter on national tv. Alright I admit that now I do not have the best opinion of Chiara's mother. But I still enjoy chiara on the show including her rough edges. |
Wink | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:34 pm     Cute it would have been nice if Chiara could have exerted a little bit of impulse control and stopped reading the letter out loud when she realized what it contained. "Rough edges" is only the tip of the iceberg. |
Nermal | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:36 pm     Chiara was just asked more about that cousin by Marcellas and Jason. She said her mother always joked about people who aren't that good looking. Said that it was a joke between them but was true too, but then the cousin is from Arkansas! (I guess nobody from Arkansas can be pretty) Jason was hoping the girl was really actually gorgeous and that her mother was being sarcastic. Chiara said no. Said you sure couldn't grow up in her mother's house and be ugly or you heard about it. That's pretty sad. So, it was a joke, but only because they always joke about ugly people! |
Goddessatlaw | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:38 pm     Cute: Anyone who actively participates in the board has had nights when they've plain had to walk away from it - it's not just the ones who have taken the less popular positions on the boards. I don't defend anyone on the board who attacks a differing opinion in anything other than an analytical, fact-driven fashion. In fact, quite the opposite. However, because the Chiara and Roddy and Josh lovers are so few on the board right now, you guys kind of have to scream to be heard and well, alot of times on both sides of the argument things deteriorate to what appears to be a simple, stubborn digging in without sound support for the argument. As I say, it's true at times for both sides. You know the pendulum swings around here, and next week we could all love and want Josh to win (oh, hell no, but just sayin'). Sorry it's been a hard night, but Chiara's got the upper hand right now, so lets see what she does with it. |
Eden | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:40 pm     I mean no offense, Cute, Keiffer, you are certainly allowed your favorites. But when it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck it is a duck.. not a lost swan. We're all allowed our thoughts. I admire your tenacity if not your point of view. Most likely the truth lies somewhere between your zeal and everyone else's disgust. |
Cute1073 | Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:52 pm     Eden, I wouldn't call it Zeal And Goddess...thankyou, you made me feel better and you made me laugh (about the josh thing, now no one wants that!), although I'm still frustrated only now it's because I have no feeds! |
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