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Muse

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What with Josh trying to get Lisa to use the veto on Roddy, I'm now leaning towards the crying being an act. Josh probably thinks that he stands a chance against whoever Chiara would nominate in Roddy's place. Why else would he do it? Sure, he mentioned maybe people thinking Roddy's a threat. But this is also the guy who threw a fit and threatened to walk out since he felt everyone would vote him out. I don't think he believes that Roddy's in serious danger. He's just looking to stay.

I don't have much compassion for Josh since he's being ridiculous. Amy was nominated and evicted unanimously several weeks ago, and she managed to calm down and deal with it. And she didn't treat people as badly as Josh, either (at least not to their face :)). If I was in the house I'd probably be civil to him and not make fun of him, but I wouldn't feel particularly sorry for him.

Abbynormal

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The only thing I feel sorry for him about is how he professes to love Roddy so much. He was just in the HRD literally begging Lisa to veto Roddy because he loves Roddy so much and Roddy doesn't deserve to be on the block. Geez, I don't think I've ever seen such a crush. He reminds me of that movie "Cable Guy". Roddy better watch out when their out of the house.

Goddess146

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Loppes:

Josh, the con man, has been running around telling everyone that he loves Roddy. He is telling each person that if it is that person and Roddy in the end, he will vote for Roddy to win.

He is reminding people that they can not win against Roddy. Is reminding people that Roddy is a strong player.

If you wanted to win the $500k how would you react to this information? How would you react to this information while Roddy just happens to be on the block?

Josh is a master con man. He can say he loves Roddy while implanting the idea that Roddy is threat to everyone. Don't listen to his words, listen for the effects of the words.

Wcv63

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lon, I worked this out in another thread and it actually has some merit. (Not Mewwit)

He knows everyone has promised not to vote against Roddy. If Roddy is gone so is the futility of not being able to get votes. Roddy may hear how Josh is lobbying hard for the veto, FOR RODDY, and thereby show Josh the loyalty he desperately craves by rallying the house to keep Josh.

He's got more of a chance with this plan than any other and he's not giving up. Gotta hand it to him...he's constantly working out all the angles.

Loppes

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess,
So you are saying that Josh used an onion or red lipstick to create the typical red nose effect when someone cries?
Lon

Bmh

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ummm..Loppes..Josh has already said he can fake cry just to help him in the game..

Josh is fake...and just needs to go

Goddess146

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Anyone who has studied acting can cry, really cry, on cue. Actors put themselves into the mental role they are playing. A good actor can think of something horribly sad and produce very real tears. Think of how often you have seen people crying on TV shows and in the movies. Think how convincing they are.

Ladytex

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Abbynormal, I was thinking of "The Cable Guy" analogy myself ... LOL

Snee

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i dunno. i know josh is a con man, but i think he is very insecure and paranoid as well. his crying could be an act. then again, it could be that when he said he was faking with danielle, he was saying that to save face...and he wants his face to be a hard, master manipulator face. whatever the case, i have over-active sympathy glands or something and when anyone cries, i start to cry too! *smiff*

Wcv63

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with you on the overactive sympathy glands Snee. I cry at the drop of the hat these days. Of course I'm also having hot flashes. Could be the portending of an event I'm not to happy to greet.

Dedonjo

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm tending to agree with Snee, and Loppes too... I think there's a combination of things going on with Josh.

I suspect that he's actually a pretty decent hearted guy with some questionable social behavior. I'm starting to see him more as an innocent trying to be devious. As opposed to Jason who is devious while appearing innocent. Do ya think??

I think Josh is trying real hard to be evil and manipulative, but he's rotten at it, and so it's not working-backfiring even. And in the meantime he just stumbles along and keeps making more mistakes (going too far, pushing too hard, etc.), and now he's starting to realize that he's messed up, he's hearing people say stuff about him... he's having a crummy, crummy day.

He's really not all that different than Roddy or Danielle or the others, he just lacks any subtlety whatsoever...

Snee

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i don't think josh is innocent though. he is certainly not subtle!

Toolhound

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 04:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Josh is really crying. The only problem is he is crying for himself not Roddy.

Firstsnadra1

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 04:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dedonjo...I believe you hit the nail on the head! Now someone needs to hit Josh on the head and knock some sense into him!

The poor guy has no-one in his corner and he knows it. Whatever sympathy he gets is lip service. Can you imagine how that feels? Maybe he should talk to Gerry. Somehow he survived the juvenile shunning and is still alive and kicking.

I think what amazes me most is Jason. I really thought he would be a more compassionate person to those who are mistreated. And yes, I think Josh is being mistreated...they need to give the guy a break. Same thing when Amy was targeted. What do they expect when it's obvious EVERY person is voting you out and NO ONE wants to hear what you have to say? A party?

Basically it comes down to a lot of pressure in the house and feelings are overwrought. Unfortunately, I don't see a whole lot of adult behavior going on. That's sad.

JMHO-FWIW