A. Shapiro, enough is enough!
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A. Shapiro, enough is enough!
Woodpecke® | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 08:57 am     I definitely see your point, Wiseowl. I do feel that by saying nothing in many instances, his stock goes up in my eyes because he seems to be playing to win the game and not trying to make any kind of moral statement. Jason has little choice but to keep quiet much of the time. He has already decided he has little to accomplish by becoming too close to any of these players. His method for winning this game is far more admirable than......ummmmm......Will? |
Costacat | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:04 am     Just a little plea here... if you want to discuss the pros/cons of cleanliness or lack thereof, or the bashing of Gerry, please go to another thread (which have abounded in recent days). This thread has been pretty much on the subject of Arnie will you/won't you do something. And most of it's been "sign me" for the e-petition. |
Curtisahahahaha | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:07 am     Leave the gerbils alone, and learn from their mistakes. Amen. |
Woodpecke® | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:08 am     Maris, the post where you stated "I find it very interesting that on the boards there is great sympathy for the middle aged man with children on the boards yet divorced women with children dont seem to earn the same sympathy if you will" is simply not factual and cannot be substantiated. A case can be made that Gerry is being slammed more on this board than anyone excluding Josh. I think that the posters on this board take each individual into account when they decide to comment on their personality or actions. I see no evidence of Gerry getting a break because he is 51. I challenge you to show me where Tonya or Lori were treated wrongly while Gerry gets a free pass. |
Maris | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:10 am     Fair enough cost but I dont see anything wrong with asking the question why does Gerry merit the special notice of a plea to leave him alone versus the other players. Why not send a petition about how they are treating Josh? how marc, Dani and Amy talked about Tonya. These people signed up for the house and I dont think any of them deserve special treatment to give them immunity from the meanness of the HGs. |
Wendo | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:10 am     Woodpeck wrote: "Let Gerry deal with his own problems." Well, heck, I completely agree. However, since none of them will even talk to him about their issues how is Gerry even able to deal with it? Maris, I don't know if you watched the two prior BB's, but the bashing of Gerry is imo, by far the worst I've ever, ever seen. So, yes, I'm sure Gerry was aware that he was exposing himself (and his family) but I doubt he would have signed up had he known he was to become the groups punching bag. Well, I look at this way. Those people with their treatment of Gerry have shown what kind of people they are, and who they are. |
Maris | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:13 am     Well entire threads were deleted which discussed Tonya's leaky boobs and also speculation about her fitness as a parent, and speculation about her job. I didnt have a problem with those discussions I might add. I am just saying why does Gerry deserve a petition over the other players. The HGs are being horrible to Josh and people on the boards say well, he deserves it and brought it on himself. There are people that believe that Gerry has also brought this on himself as well. I am not saying I agree with how he is being treated but I dont agree with how Josh is being treated either. That is life in the big house. Suck it up. |
Woodpecke® | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:14 am     The way they are treating Gerry in regards to this issue is totally without respect. I just hate to see the producers stick their nose in this situation. |
Cjr | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:19 am     Add me to the list also. If Lori comes back in the house we'll see this confronted again. Too bad Arnie doesn't take care of it. I hope Gerry wins the game! |
Wiseolowl | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:21 am     I think Jason is probably playing the canniest game of them all and with some class. Maybe amoral is the best way to describe it - nothing wrong with that in a game where lying and deceit are implicitly expected . It seems to me that in this case though he could rise a little above that standard without risking his game by kindly speaking to Gerry. |
Costacat | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:22 am     Maris, if you think someone else deserves a petition, then start a new thread. But there are several existing threads discussing the Gerry/Marcellas cleanliness issue. After all the negative poster bashing yesterday, I'd hate to see THIS thread start that way, too. It started with a pretty innocuous "CBS, if you're reading this..." Why start a big old fight HERE when there are other places in which to do so. All of the above is my opinion, to which I am entitled. |
Crazydog | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:22 am     Costacat, so are you saying that this thread is only for people who agree that Arnold Shapiro should talk to the houseguests about dissing Gerry? I gave my opinion that they should not and I don't see anything wrong with explaining my reasons thereupon. I am a little puzzled at the organization of this board, I don't see why anyone cannot feel free to post their thoughts about anything. Lately I have seen several posts of the "this thread is only for those who like Gerry", "please do not bash Josh in this thread" variety. I don't recall seeing statements like this last year. Are we concerned that relatives and friends of Gerry and Josh are looking at these messages? This site should be a site for fans of the show, if it is intended to be a fansite for Gerry or Josh then I believe they should have their own sites. These boards would be boring if everyone felt the same about everything. Just my opinion. |
Woodpecke® | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:23 am     Somebody needs to kindly speak to Gerry without making a big issue of it to the other houseguests. No mention to anyone else, just go and do it. |
Zachsmom | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:25 am     Maris:These people signed up for the house and I dont think any of them deserve special treatment to give them immunity from the meanness of the HGs. No Maris..they shouldn't have immunity..they just shouldn't be subjected to the meanness in the first place..they are all adults and should know better.. |
Bailey | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:31 am     IMO, there has never been a hg that has received the amount of bashing that Gerry gets on a daily basis. I don't see how anyone can compare a little ragging on some now and then, to the monumental addiction that has become a daily theme.. maybe even an hourly fest... "let's bash Gerry.. Gerry is so nasty". Gerry is overweight, he is middle-aged. I think that makes his sweat more offensive then the prettier, younger set. His mere existence in this world should not be tolerated. Yes, please add me to the list of those find this constant bashing mean-spirited and kindergartenish. I'm having a very hard time understanding the few on this thread that don't sympathize with this man and his family. Nastiness comes in all kinds of flavors.. a persons hygiene may be nasty.. and a persons heart may be nasty. I can wash away nasty hygeine.. but what can we do with a nasty heart? |
Maris | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:34 am     Marc spoke with Gerry and it is posted in the live feeds. Kudos to Marcellas. |
Wiseolowl | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:40 am     Time passes and memories fade but I remember many of us last year sent in e-mails to Shapiro demanding I believe a penalty nomination for Nicole for physically threatening Will in one of her tirades - nothing came of it - guess I'm a little cynical and I've joined this petition, but I think we're not doing much more here than venting frustration- it will take the moral courage of a houseguest to right this situation. |
Texastillie | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:53 am     Yowzer!!! Marcellas and Gerry talk about blaming producers for letting this go on!!! That's two more names for the petition. |
Wendo | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 09:58 am     How about kudos to Gerry for taking the information maturely. I'm sure it wasn't easy to hear and was likely hurtful. But instead of becoming a child, he accepted Marcellas's advice and said he would do as much as he could to improve the situation. IMO, Marcellas finally acted like an adult, but the kudos don't go to him. Of all the bashers, he's been one of the worst. |
Wiseolowl | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:00 am     Was so busy posting this thread - that did'nt watch the feeds-- am bowled over.. maybe a little bawled over by Marc's gesture ...he even got up early to do it right . it's up to Gerry now to take heed. The ambiguous relationship between these two men is fascinating. |
Costacat | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:02 am     No Crazydog. My point was if you want to discuss the houseguests bashing of Gerry, or the hygienics of the HGs, there are two other threads: Get off of Gerry's back can be found at: ../10972/1044673.html"../10972/1044757.html" TARGET="_top">../10972/1044757.html?1029123774 So my point is, we don't need to argue who's right or wrong. I felt like some people were picking fights here, too. But why do we need to discuss the bashing of Gerry here, too? It doesn't matter if you agree or disagree... this thread started out as "if you're listening, can you please do something". You can agree that something should be done or not. But |
Amac | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:09 am     "I was wondering if Arnie had 'preselected' the winner, and then would try to manipulate the game and HGs to that end!" I really doubt that's true and I truly hope that isn't the case, because if it is, I will never watch Big Brother, or anything from ASP, again. There was a BIG scandal back in the 1950s over TV quiz shows being manipulated and fixed to favor particular outcomes and players. We do NOT need a repeat. On the subject of Gerry, I agree with everyone else--Marc brought it up the right way, Gerry handled it properly and the other HGs' dissing and bashing of Gerry behind his back is wrong. (Though I suppose whenever we posters bash a HG on this board we're doing the same thing.) |
Mystery | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:11 am     Amac: "(Though I suppose whenever we posters bash a HG on this board we're doing the same thing.)" Except that we posters don't have the choice to go to Gerry and talk to him face to face! |
Amac | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:14 am     Yeah, Mystery - I think we post a lot of stuff on the board we wouldn't dream of saying to a HG's face. |
Maris | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:14 am     Just to point out I did not come here to this thread to "start a big old fight" I offered an opinion however, if having a dissenting opinion characterizes someone as a fight picker, then I dont know what to say. If people dont want any discussion on the merits of a topic, they should offer a proviso in the thread title "only posters that agree should posthere ". Seems to me that would not be a very interesting dialogue. There are places on the web that you can set up petitions and I think it is a great idea if people want to do it. Nothing wrong with discussion the merits of a petition though. |
Mystery | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:21 am     I'm sorry, I was gone for most of the weekend and didn't read the beginning of this thread to realize it was actually about something else. My bad! I've read it now and I never considered that Arnie's interns might come here and read posts. I'm going to have to figure out how to get subliminal messages to them. I'd love to get them to go with my idea of suddenly broadcasting bits of "private" conversations into the house. |
Draheid | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:32 am     Maris: How about this, when someone wants a thread of positivity only, they add PPP for Positive Posters Preferred ... and make it known to the board that the intent of the thread is only positive posts?!? JMO - FWIW Oh, yeah. On Topic - Since it appears the issue has been taken care of by Marcellas, and the fact that this type of thread probably only fosters the perception of ASP & CBS that the show is successful, I suspect that the petition is a moot point. Once again. Oh well. JMO |
Msnapsnap | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:49 am     Knowing how Arnie operates...maybe all the houseguests are following a script or something and doing all these things just to get all the internet people all excited, etc. |
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