Archive through August 10, 2002
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Wcv63 | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:35 pm     Avery I for one am sorry that you, Keiffer and anybody else with opposing viewpoints feels any kind of intimidation when it comes to posting your opinions on this board. For that I deeply apologize if any of my own posts have offended. I have acknowledged that I have a bias and as such have a tendancy towards being more tolerant and more forgiving when it comes to my favorites. Nothing I can do about it. It's a flaw but I have to pick my battles.....even with myself. You are a worthy opponent, as is Keiffer, and I welcome your dissenting opinions; anytime...on any thread. I will try to play fair. |
Zeyna | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:41 pm     Avery, that was a MOST excellent post. |
Misslibra | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:44 pm     Avery, you should never be afraid to express your opinion here even if it happens to be the minority opinion. I say good for you, and please do it more often. It has always been this way, some HG's just get more negative comments about their behavior then others do. |
Wcv63 | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:47 pm     Avery if it makes you feel any better I was a Hardy/Nicole/Krista supporter last year. Can you imagine the fire and brimstone I had to leap through from thread to thread? I only got a tinge singed. |
Battlestar | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:48 pm     I happen to like GERRY Don't know if I'm rooting for him---but I kind of like him. |
Snee | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:48 pm     i have to disagree, zeyna. avery, i feel well and truly smacked, painted again with that Very Broad Brush. |
Avery | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:50 pm     Ty to you all, I must say I felt more part of the "group" today than I ever had. And I walked away when I thought was best. Some of you made me start drinking early, but that was not a bad thing either. Really my anger is directed at Arnie for once again denying my application for the 3rd year in a row! He is scared to see what this little old lady would shake up in that hot tub. |
Misslibra | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:54 pm     Avery LMAO!!  |
Kappy | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:56 pm     SeanFlynn: "For starters it comes from their holier and prettier than thou attitude . . . . , etc." Thank you, Sean for stating it so well. I've never once spoken about Chiara lying to anyone. That's not my problem with her. Frankly, I just don't like her. And where I have changed my mind about other players that I originally wasn't so fond of, like Dani (still don't like her but respect her more for how she's playing the game), Chiara has yet to do anything that can begin to change my impression of her. In fact, her nominating Roddy just pretty much solidifies the way I think of her ~ spoiled and clueless. Keiffer, I don't expect to change anyone's mind about any HG. I'm just expressing how I feel like most people here are doing. But many times, I get the impression that you take it very personally that others don't change their mind to your way of thinking. Which is why they then say you're taking it too personally. You don't get "called out" for supporting Chiara. You get called out for how you speak to, and about, posters who don't agree with you. Like the statement about hypocrisy and insinuating that anyone who doesn't like chiara is a hypocrite. It's offensive. |
Snee | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:59 pm     i would like to see what you would shake up in that hot tub, avery! (would you keep your toes to yourself?) |
Avery | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:01 pm     Snee I have sensed your unhappiness with me. I am sorry for that, I hope that no where did I ever say that snee was doing this and snee was doing that. Snee was one of my biggest supporters last year. Hugs to you!! When I speak of bashing and hatred as I have in the past I hope that I was clear in my post that this was not because someone did not like a houseguest that I was fond of. Please, please know that I have been referring to the people that did say things like "hate", and threads that turned into comparing Roddy to a wifebeater, my stance all along has not been to get you to like who I like (i don't even know who i like yet!) I just was trying to keep some of the unnecessary bashing at bay. For snee and anyone else who thinks that I automatically think that you are a basher because you don't like Roddy or Chiara, my heartfelt apology as that is not true. I love a debate more than anyone I have ever known in my long life. Some things typed were beyond debatable, they were in my opinion bashing. I was not pointing fingers and hope you can understand that and see it. |
Ryn | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:05 pm     None of these people are "terrible" people. but its a game with sides, and some folks here have decided to root for one side or the other. If you have to live in a confined space with your CLOSEST friends with NO real outside contact for 4 weeks straight, you would start to get annoyed with every thing about them too. Some folks here like Chiara and Roddy, etc etc - some like Danielle, Jason...... TO me the line was drawn the 1st week when the "6-pack" was so cocky with their plan, they were so SURE that they would succeed, then Gerry messed things up and Chiara, Roddy, Eric, and especially Josh would sit for HOURS and badmouth Gerry and others in the house while most of the others were oblivious to any major plotting (or so we thought since we were all clueless to the Jason/Danielle alliance). That was it, the 1st week, THEN the press comes out about Chiara, Amy, Josh, the badmouthing escalates here on the board. CHiara tells her little "CODE" thing, badmouths the "internet freaks" - I mean she does make it pretty hard to root for her when she clearly would call all of us 'freaks' if she knew we were here talking about this. personally, given all that, I have been "rooting" for Danielle and Jason - but I still LIKE the other HGs, even if all of them drive me bonkers at times. Same thing has been said every year, by and large, on the outside, I could probably like any of these folks in small doses. But the constant contact and picking apart of every minor flaw just accumulates as every day goes by. ok, I think I managed to veer waaayyy off topic so let me try to get back on topic.... All of the HGS have been dishonest to a point, and they have all managed to justify their actions. My biased hope is that they vote out Roddy, I am watching this for the gameplay, not all the personal stuff. I think Chiara made a HUGE mistake putting Roddy up and if roddy does go, the look and reaction will be priceless. Its just a game folks!! The gloves had to come off sooner or later and maybe Danielle is finally taking hers off |
Kappy | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:08 pm     Avery, I understand what you're saying (was busy typing when your post went up) except for the "For me it has been the bashing and hypocrital point of views that get me the most. Chiara and Roddy are sooo disliked on this board that they get blamed for some of the most ridiculous things." I could say the same of a number of HG's at various points in the game. I think what most people want everyone to remember is to address the actions of the HG's instead of calling other posters hypocritical or things like that. Please? I know being in a minority is hard but it's things like that that I react to ~ not a person's opinions or impressions of the HG's. |
Battlestar | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:09 pm     umm---no Gerry and Josh get blamed for everything |
Avery | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:15 pm     I am big enough to apologize for offending you Kappy. Point taken. |
Fuzzybear | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:15 pm     I have flip flopped on my like and dislike for houseguest from day to day. (I'm truely feeling the BB experience) I hate that they bad mouth those 2(josh/gerry) I feel sorry for them. Chiara is a refreshing part of the game Roddy is so roddy ...all important but I don't dislike him.He's gonna be so mad when he's out. Dani concerns me but is good player Lisa just got a personality. Marci is comedic relief Jason is a cutie |
Drpepper | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:18 pm     I haven't read the whole thread, but all I know is if the person who is fixing to put 2 people on the block comes and wants me to promise something, then they are asking me to lie. It is like someone twisting my arm until I say MERCY! That is a little diffirent than running around the house with he said she said lies. Ask me no lies, I'll tell you no lies. |
Kappy | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:21 pm     Avery ~ again, I was busy typing when your next post to Snee came up, with your explanation of what it is (the extreme irrational bashing) that really gets to you. Full understandable!! For me, it's that word "hypocrite", lol! Apologies both ways, okay?  |
Snee | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:24 pm     yes, avery, i have been unhappy with the posts you and a couple of others have made. what upsets me is the intimation of a 'most' rather than a 'many'. i know you haven't meant me specifically, but i guess i feel sensitive, particularly as a couple of your posts have come after ones that have raised the snee-hackles. 'Please, please know that I have been referring to the people that did say things like "hate", and threads that turned into comparing Roddy to a wifebeater, my stance all along has not been to get you to like who I like (i don't even know who i like yet!) I just was trying to keep some of the unnecessary bashing at bay.' avery, that is clearer to me than was your previous post. i agree that there are many posts that are just plain mean. (i admit i might have posted 'mean' but i haven't intended to--if you know your snees, you know that sometimes they go for the easy/cheesy laugh.) thanks for engaging in this dialogue. (and thanks for the hugs. hugs back!) i would like to see your name in these threads more often...even if it is to say: i will turn this thread around Right Now! |
Snee | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:31 pm     oh sure. everything's all explained and happy by the time i finish typing my post! ryn, i agree that in this artificial environment we can't say someone is horrible--we just don't have enough information about them. we don't know what they're like outside the house even if we think we might. their poor behaviour could be an aberration. who knows? small doses? i'd let any one of them buy me a raspberry iced tea. hehe. i'm torn about roddy being evicted or not. i would like him to be evicted in order to possibly save my faves, but i love the gamesmanship going on between him and dani. tough call! |
Earthmother | Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:59 pm     I am late to the party as usual. By the time I show up and read all the posts to finally respond it looks like I have an auditory processing disorder. So now you have to bear with me or ignore me, usually the latter happens. When we as posters see things differently or hear things differently than other posters does that make us liars? example: Dani said Josh is tall and thin and someone says she didn't say that she said he was skinny and she was making fun of him. Is one of these people lying or are they seeing something differently? If a hg says after having a campaign speech with another hg and tells them not to put them up and vice versa; then says "do we understand each other" and second hg says "I understand" is that a commitment for the vote or just that they understood the deal? It's all in the way you see it. I think what happens is behaviors of the hgs as well as the posters spurns the need for many to right the wrong. I do not believe anyone hates anyone. Hate is a word many replace for "dislike of behavior." Bashing is another word some use to replace for "speaking out against the behavior of another." I personally think bashing is a personal attack on another for their opinions, such as name calling. To disagree respectfully is why we come here, not to hurt others feelings. Now I'm going to bed, I have a headache. If you would like to send donations for my medical care send them to bb. clubhouse they know where to find me..lol |
Eden | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:04 am     I agree with Ryn. I don't dislike any of the HGs. I don't look at this game that way. I do have strategies and players I'm rooting for, for one reason or another. Isn't that what you are supposed to do in a game, pick favorites and root for them? Why do we have to like everyone? Some posters choose to support the less popular players, that's their choice. Why complain because everyone else doesn't see things the way they do. Just keep plugging away with your support, like a fan should. Dont' start vilifying the opposing teams fans! No one is out to get anyone here. Everyone is here to express opinions, granted some use personal invective but the mods do an excellent job of keeping real bashing off this board of players and especially posters. Every view can be and is respected here. It's what makes this the best Big Brother board on the web. But it's unrealistic to expect everyone to like the players you like or even see your point of view and even more unrealistic to think you won't encounter a lot of opposition. It isn't that you're being ganged up on, it's just that you're outnumbered and everyone has a right to express themselves. |
Wendo | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 12:51 am     Avery wrote: "to have people tell you are whiney, or that you are too involved, that you need to walk away. I hope you can look back now at how that can be hurtful. Even if you mean it jokingly, when you are fighting with hundreds it is hard to find the joke in that." Oh for friggin' sakes. Listen Avery, I apolgized that Keiffer didn't see my attempt at trying to lighten the mood of the thread. But to equate that with "being hurtful" is just ridiculous. You know, this is a TV GAME SHOW, nothing more. It's not life or death, nor does it affect our lives. If people are going to get "hurt" over posts on a message board about a summer filler tv series then perhaps ones priorities need to be re-evaluated. |
Avery | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 01:00 am     WOW, all of that cause I tried to stop some of the extreme bashing. Ty kindly for your opinion. Ridiculously yours, Avery |
Oregonfire | Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 01:04 am     Avery, I like your posts and I hope you stick around! Just showing a little support. |
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