Emerging theme (for me) - Roddy vs. Danielle
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Wendo

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ya know, one thing that's been emerging for me is the power struggle between Roddy and Danielle. And, by power struggle, I mean the power behind the workers. A good analogy would be, the man behind the curtain in The Wizard of Oz.

It seems to me, that on one side, you've got Roddy, working Josh, Eric, Chi, and Lisa. He also feels he's working Gerry and Jason.

Then, you've got Danielle, who's working Marcellas, Jason, Gerry, Josh, and, to a certain extent, the two girls, Li and Chi.

So, to me, it seems the game is coming down to Roddy vs. Danielle, and which one will prevail. Which one will out manuever the other? Which one will have the ultimate control over their minions?

I'm curious if anyone else sees this theme? Or, am I just CRAZY?

Cinder

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So true. Dani is laying low though.

Wendo

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 12:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, I think Roddy, after watching his discussion with Eric and Lisa, is making some terrible errors. He kept emphasizing his "deal" with Josh and I think it was pissing off Li and Eric. Roddy's one weakness could be trying to stay "moral" in a game that really needs to be played "immorally" (within the confines of the game.)

Floresmama

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 12:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that is what is happening and I think that Dani will reign victorious. I hope, I hope, I hope.

Muse

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 12:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree. I think Roddy is very focused on trying to look like the "good guy" - partially just for his image, but mainly because I think he believes that would help him win. He's probably right, except that he actually needs to get to the final two first. He seems to forget that.

So I'd say that trying to look like a good guy, in addition to being unable to hide the fact that he's smart *and* a natural leader, will be his downfall.

Of course, I also think that the clique is on the verge of overplaying the game...so maybe that will give Roddy a chance to get his act together.

Snee

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 12:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree that right now it's roddy vs danielle on a behind the scenes way. if they are the final two, i think dani's dr entries may hurt her.

Roamjotiba

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 12:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree also Roddy is so political in most of his statements playing for the end game

Wendo

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 12:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I dunno about Dan's DR and how they would affect her. If anything, she's been the most honest in them, stating that she is playing the game, simple as that.

And, for Roddy, some of his DR entries have just seemed so, I don't know, condescending. Like when he said to Julie, had he had the convo with Amy b4 noms he wouldn't have put her on the block. Well, that's easy to say now, after you know she's gone. Plus, if anyone listened to the live feeds the couple of days after he had talked to Amy, he never said, Oh, I shouldn't have put her up. He continued to state that it was her time to go. So, imo, his "statement" to Julie was purely for a jury vote.

The question will be, should he get to the end, is whether Amy gets to be privy to those later comments. *shrug*

Dedonjo

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 12:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, definitely, all of the above. I don't think it will come down to the two of them, one or the other will prevail before the final two. I think Danielle will last longer, just because she is being more subtle, therefore is not as perceived by some as such a threat. Plus, she has a better player for a partner...

Cyn

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 01:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
in r's talk to josh last night he was totally talking about the end game. he said he would never win out over eric if it were just he and him. the reason being: 1) they said on national tv that his least fav animal was human; and 2) eric's a fire fighter and the final round will be immediately after the anniversary of 9/11.

Penpoint

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Unless the HGs become as sick of Danielle as I am, or unless she makes a terrible blunder, I think Danielle is on the path to victory.

The thing that can be the undoing of both Danielle and Roddy is their support of Josh. I think they should have gotten rid of him early on, but they both insisted on keeping him in. And with a little luck, Josh could stay in a little longer and a little longer and . . .

Eden

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that Danielle is completely aware of Roddy's intentions and strength within the house. He's a good manipulator but not very subtle. I think Roddy, while he views Danielle as a savvy player, has no idea of the strategies and alliances she has planned. He's in for a big surprise.

Bmh

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 08:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Eden..Danielle is on to Roddy..and she wants him out..Roddy is a little less aware of sly Danielle's intentions..he has an idea..but he is so caught up in thinkin him,eric,and josh will be the final 3 that when he finially realizes what Dani was doing it will be to late in he will be walking out the door..
and as for Danielle vs. Roddy

There is no contest..Danielle will prevail hands down..she knows what she is doing..she aint stupid..she has Roddy right where she wants him..and next week after Eric is gone..he could be next

Shyguy

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was seeing the same Danielle/Roddy thing myself.
Unfortunately for Roddy, Dani's outplayed him bigtime, and he doesn't even know it.
That's gonna be a big blow to his ego when he finds out he was whupped by a girl.

Lurknomore

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 09:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think your analogy (one i just used the other day for a different situation in my life GMTA lol) is perfect. But I see one difference. If Roddy somehow (hang on whilst I grab a barf bag) makes it to the end, he will have set HIMSELF up to win. If Danielle and either Jason (let us all pray--I'm not kidding LOL I would love him to win) is with her, or Marcellas, they will. Especially if the evicted houseguests have tape access by then.

Floresmama

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not sure how much access they will have to the DR entries but "my beloved Will" said some really terrible things in the DR last year and hmmm let me see who won BB2? I think that compared to Will Danielle's DR entries have been relatively mild.

Lurknomore

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 09:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
yeah but Flores look who Will was up against...the much despised Nicole. If things go as planned (which we know could change any second hehe) Danielle would go up against Jason or Marcellas. I don't think she has a snowballs chance in hell against either one of those, most especially Jason.

Bmh

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 09:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Floresmama..I mean Will called Kent gross..called Monica and Krista stupid..and still got their votes..I think it has less to do with DR entries and more to do who your up against..lets say that Roddy and Danielle were the final 2..then Im pretty confident in saying that Danielle would win..but that is just an example..it all depends on who is sitting next to you

Shyguy

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 10:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So true, Will sitting next to Nicole,
Will could have called all the others dogs**t and
still won.

Csnog

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I could get behind Danielle IF she was nicer to Gerry. She never confronts him or helps him. She seems to get everone else to do her dirty work after telling everyone in the house.This makes it personal. Why does she ignore the monkey grooming and their lack of hand washing. I hope her kids treat her the same way she treats Gerry when she's older.
Roddy I can't root for because he dislikes women unless they are subserviant to him. He showed this in the Amy conversation at the HT.

Shyguy

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy screwed up when he was HOH and nominated
Marc and Amy, two people he deemed unpopular but
certainly not a threat in his mind. Dani would
never have made that mistake, she would have
put up whoever she thought might stand between her and the $$$. He left the door open to what's happening now and Dani is making him pay. Guess he
doesn't have the superior intellect he thinks he does.

Floresmama

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that up against Jason or Marc Danielle would lose but I think she would beat any of the rest of them. I also would love to see a final with any of those three up against each other but I think it is too much to ask for.

Muse

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I personally think that Danielle would win against Jason. Lori said in her interview (on the CBS site) that she'd like Gerry or Danielle to win. Amy told Marcellas that she'd like Danielle to win (more than Jason). It's hard to tell what Tonya might do, but she might vote for Danielle. And as for the rest...I think the fact that Danielle has a family would help her, as would the fact that comes across as the leader of the clique. Some people might be upset with her for "betraying" them, but the same could be said for Jason...I think the guys, especially, would be upset with him. Roddy claims that he'd respect Jason if he was playing the game, it seems like but Roddy tends to dislike anyone he can't control.

I guess it depends on whether the evicted HGs get to see the feeds. Danielle tends to insult the evicted HGs a lot more than Jason does, and that probably wouldn't go over well. But if they don't see them...they'd probably leave thinking Danielle was nice, just like Lori did.

Niceguy

Sunday, August 04, 2002 - 09:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy and Marcellas are on to Danielle. Marcellas has to convince Dani that he's just a lightweight gay man(Dani has some homophobia running through her). The problem is Marcellas attraction to Roddy, he has a difficult time getting past that and just strategizing. I don't think Danielle's got the game sewn up. I like the fact she's on PB&J. I figure by Wednesday she's going to have a episode and try to push the blame on someone else. Concentrate Marcellas.

Cliotheleo

Monday, August 05, 2002 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hoping this is the best thread to put this in....

A few minutes ago, Danielle told Marcellas that they have to begin to make the other house guests think that they dislike one another, or at least that they're not all that close in order to save themseles. Otherwise, Dani feels Roddy or whomever will put BOTH of them up next time he has a chance.

I'm sorry if anyone disagrees but I think this woman is brilliant!

Marameko

Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy understimates Dani, another example of his elitist attitude. Go get him D.

Marameko

Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Go Clio, GO Clio !

Wendo

Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Clio, it's a good strategy, I just don't know if it'll be doable. What's been working best is her secret alliance with Jason, it's so under the radar. It's not as likely that they will be put up together.

I do think that Dan is in Roddy's sights and if he gets HOH, I see him putting Dan up.

This next HOH is another pivotal HOH and it will certainly be interesting to see who gets it.

Personally, I think that D/Ja/Mar have to go for it now, they have to stop "Holding" and play, even if it's out in the open.

Cliotheleo

Monday, August 05, 2002 - 03:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, unfortunately for Dani, you're right.

And is it amazing to anyone but me how the entire COUNTRY knows about Danielle and Jason's alliance while the houseguests, who are around one another 24/7 in a, what? 1000 square foot house seem obvlious to it!

Did I mention that Danielle is BRILLIANT!!!

Lol! @ Marameko! :)