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Azriel

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I keep hearing Josh lied, Josh lied, Josh lied...

Okay, I don't seem to recall this huge amount of lies that he has told. Help me out here..exactly what are the lies that Josh has supposedly told?

Moondance

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The one that pops up in my mind is the one he told to Chiapet... he told her Lisa hated her and would put her up... that she said that to him... which wasn't the case.

They all have lied in the game... no biggie to me:)

Bridgetlovesbb

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree moondance. they are all playing the game and lying....yes, even Jason! LOL

Azriel

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, with all the hoopla about what a liar Josh is, I expect a very long list in this thread.

Crazydog

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For starters, immediately upon entering the house he told everyone he was a substitute teacher. Lisa and Gerry are talking about it right now on the feeds. It's funny, right now Lisa is speculating that Josh never went to college because he doesn't say anything about it.

Ocean_Islands

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, but WHY did he lie to Chiara? Was he trying to get Eric out?

Did he know it was going to be a tie?

Azriel

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
1.Chiara says he told her that Lisa hated her and would put her up if Lisa got HOH. (is this confirmed in live feeds/tv or do we only have Chiara's word on it?)

2.Told HGs he was a substitute teacher. (confirmed by tv show)

Iceprincess

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To be honest, I think the "lies" are just an excuse. I think his actions have been more damaging. For instance waking gerry up all the time calling him nazi...and also kissing the HoH's butt no matter who it is.

Gina8642

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Azriel - I was wondering about your point 1. myself. Last night in Saturday's TV show, they showed Josh saying it. So he did say it, I'm just not quite sure of the timing.

I wonder if it was before or after Roddy planted the seed in Chiara's head?

Azriel

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If kissing the HOH's butt is a crime in this game then they all better line up for bashing.

Jhezzie

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How about the big one that started it all: Gerry put Marc up. It was Josh's idea and all the rest agreed.

Azriel

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Were those the words he used, Gina? I need to start taping the show because I never remember him saying that Lisa hated her.

Maris

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tells the House Guests that he is from Long Island but BB keeps saying he is from Queens, NY.

Other than that, I dont think he lies, he tends to put a spin on things that HGs have said to his advantage. Everything he said to Marcellas was right. Marcellas and Jason did have an agreement. Lisa did say things about Chiara that day in the living room to Roddy and Eric.

Azriel

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jhezzie I agree that was a lie of sorts. He said we need to put up the most negative and I do believe that he was the one that first said Marc's name. I'm just not so sure that he really remembered it right in his own head when he said that he was not the one that said Marc's name first. I did have that episode taped and I had to go back and look on it because as soon as Marc's name was brought up everyone jumped on it and I wasn't even sure who brought it up first.

Okay , that one is added to the list he did lie on that one. :)

Earthmother

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lies, Lies, Lies, there are so many you can't put a face on them. It is game playing by all. Chiara using this as an excuse to put him up is a sham. She was using it as a way to show her solidarity to the rest of the house. Josh lies yeah, and the rest know Chiara lies, and we all know they have all lied. What is the point of this thread? To exonerate Josh as the least evil. Evil is something that each person decides for themselves. I don't agree with many of you as who is the most evil. I see it as if you are playing this game in an evil way then you will get yours at some point..If you are evil enough to put one over on the others then you win money but maybe you will not find yourself so deserving when you look back at some of the things you have said or done. Maybe you don't give a sh*t and it was a game so you will excuse yourself from any guilt. I don't think one person is any more guilty than another for lying in this game, but I do think when you are playing this game you should be careful not to make comments that make you look like a miserable human being.

Crazydog

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Jhezzie, it was certainly his idea to put Marcellus up. He was adamant about it. Then later on, I think it was aired on the show with him saying he didn't know how Marcellus's name came up followed by an immediate black and white cut showing him saying Marc should be ousted.

Regarding the Josh/Chiara/Lisa bit, it was shown on last night's show. Josh said to Chiara: "she hates you." C: "she hates me?" J: "she hates you."

Azriel

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother, the point of this thread is that I'm trying to analyze how many times he has lied and what the lies were about. I'm totally confused about what lies were really lies and what lies were lies that other HGs told about Josh. I'm sorry if you aren't getting anything out of this thread but I am.

Wcv63

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They are all lying to some extent. The only reason I mention Josh's lies at all when discussing him is because he has lost all credibility with the other houseguests because of it. He isn't doing it subtly and he isn't using the lies to his advantage in the game.

As a matter of fact his lying (as opposed to all the other houseguests lying) is being used against him in this nomination. I'm not saying that the others lying won't catch up with them and hurt them in the game...I am only saying that Josh didn't play it smart.

Alegria

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He lied on Wed.'s show. Josh listened at the HOH door when Eric suggested to Gerry that Josh should be put up i/o either him or Lisa. Then an angry Josh went to Danielle and said that he heard Eric and Gerry planning to tell Chiara that if she used the POV they would NOT put up Roddy but either Danielle, Marc or Jason. Josh wanted to get Danielle working on convining Chiara that Roddy would be put up if she used the POV as Josh wanted the nominations left alone.

Stingerman

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 04:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The one that got Josh nominated this time was him telling Chiara that Lisa was out to get her and that Lisa didn't like her at all. The reason Josh did this was because he was made at Lisa for voting against him when he was up with Tonya.

Josh wanted Lisa out when she was up with Eric so he hatched this lie to try and get Chiara to vote against Lisa. (And Chiara did vote against Lisa). Chiara now knows this is going to be a problem with Lisa.

After the conversation he had with Chiara, she said to him point blank (PP) "you better not be lying to me or I will F_C_ you up real good"

This is the main reason that Josh got nominated.

Bmh

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 04:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh lied to Tonya and said that he wouldn't campaign against her and he did

Woodpecke®

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 05:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Anybody that would make his chin look like a design for a miniature golf hole has to be a liar, don't they?

Alegria

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 05:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Who on this site said his chin thing looked like a pair of Gerry's socks? That still makes me laugh!

Spunky

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 05:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The trouble with Josh is that his lies are too easy to detect. Let's compare him to Will, there was one who knew how to play the villain. He was all smiles in front of the hgs, never insulting others, no malice whatsoever, and then in the DR he spilled his guts to us, telling us all the good lies he told, his own admissions made us tolerate him.
Josh lies but then he doesn't admit it (at least to us) and we feel he's taking us for fools. This we don't like it.

Bigbrotherbelle

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 06:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Another lie, admittedly a small one, but it's one that I thought of immediately. Friday after the Roddy meeting where he commanded ;) that no one talk about the game this week, Josh approached Danielle and Marcellus separately and went into this monologue about the original "cartel" or the original 6. He later told Roddy that THEY approached HIM.