Dallasbbfan | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 11:56 am     Last year Will won because the others kept thinking that he would go the next week so they kept putting off evicting him. They are doing the same thing to Josh! "We know he can't win so we'll give him one more week while we get rid of (insert name)." Geesh, he's gonna end up winning this thing if they don't watch it. |
Texastillie | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:02 pm     Will was smart enough to pull off being so utterly distasteful that they all thought nobody would vote for him. Josh does not seem nearly as smart. He is distasteful while running around sucking up to everyone while trying to be funny. I do not think he can pull it off. He is there because is is a "throw down evictee" when the players need one. |
Fix2scream | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:03 pm     Yes, I have noticed that Josh has calmed down a tiny bit these last few days, and Chiara has taken his place hopping in and out of conversations. I was thinking along the same lines. Josh is behaving. So let sleeping dogs lie. They do need to get Rod or Chi out, but boy they better not forget about ole Josh! |
Jan | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:05 pm     I think the only way he can pull it off is with Roddy or Kiki. No one else will take him to the finals IMHO. |
Ellenkats | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:08 pm     Of course, to repeat from earlier threads: Josh is NO Will It might not be a bad idea to be in final two with Josh. Will was admired for the way he played, Josh has only irritated everyone with the way he whined played. |
Earthmother | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:09 pm     fix2scream..he probably got into her meds...lol |
Ellenkats | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:13 pm     Earthmother -- let's hope Chiara still has enuff left for herself then. Otherwise this could get scary. Be askairt, be very askairt!
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Guinevere | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:23 pm     I don't think the situations are necessarily the same. Though I do think anyone considering using that strategy should be aware of the potential pitfalls. Will and Josh are both loathsome (never got on the Will love train, myself), but they are ultimately different people. What worked for one might not work for another. A lot of why Will won (and he didn't win by much, did he? I can't remember what the vote was...) was because of Nicole, and the others' problems with her. So it would depend on who went against Josh. I've always contended that Will, after his alienating and obnoxious performance, was LUCKY to win, rather than brilliant. He did some smart things but he did a lot of stupid things, as well, and easily could have gone much earlier (it helped that Shannon and Mike were also so awful). |
Draheid | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:29 pm     Another HUGE difference was that Will had a lot of (CT) support for a good part of the game .... and Shannon being evicted gave him (not that he needed it) an excuse to do some of the other things toward the end of the game...FWIW - JMO |
Muse | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:38 pm     Will managed to make it to the finals because of greed - Hardy and Nicole both opted to keep him around since they figured it'd be better to keep him than someone they thought they'd lose against (Bunky, then Nicole evicting Monica). I don't see the Clique thinking that way...they're keeping Josh around only because they know his alliances are a bit shaky. I don't see any of them opting to go into the finals with him. Not unless the other members of their alliance have been picked off already by the time they reach the final three. At this point I could see Chiara possibly doing what Nicole did. Maybe Roddy, although I think he's smarter than that. But not Gerry, Marcellas, Danielle, Lisa, or Jason. |
Jan | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:42 pm     OOPs I take it back. Maybe Ro and Kiki won't take Josh to the final 3. Roddy is furious at Josh this second. He was soooo mad when Eric told him "hey, josh tells me he just got me a 4th vote!" Roddy shook his fists and just went grrrrrrrr. "he so did not do that . I (Roddy) got you that 4th vote." So Roddy is now going to brace Josh to see what he was talking about. |
Maris | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:43 pm     More than one player is trying to emulate Will's strategy and are failing for a number of reasons, the primary reason being the element of surprise. What was so fantastic about Will's strategy was that, like him it was unique. Will was a font of information, the master of trivia. He created a little group around him to be his little soldiers but he never let them in on his strategy either. He also kept playing the card of I will be evicted this week for sure as he whistled around the house. Roddy, is trying the same strategy with the exception that he has decided to be different in one respect, he will not play the despised member that everyone assumes will be voted out. Roddy is trying to play the super intelligent master of trivia (only one thing he got wrong is that Richard Dawson in Hogans Heroes didnt assume an english accent, he was english. lol) Roddy of course has assigned Josh the role of being the most disliked member in the house. He is expecting that he can keep Josh to the end and eveyone will vote for him to get the big prize. Josh, is trying to play the diabolical houseguest that everyone hates. He tried to create a version of chilltown which never maintained their tight alliance. Many of these HGs are trying to be players from past seasons and I think the two players who are underestimated by everyone in the house are Jason and Lisa. Although, today Marcellas told Dani that he didnt trust Jason. Dani still thinks she has Jason in her pocked. I will go out on a limb and say it will be Jason and Lisa in the end because they played their own game not someone elses. |
Jan | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:49 pm     Roddy is now talking bad re Josh to Kiki and Jason. So I don't think Josh is long for the world of BB3 |
Jan | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:52 pm     Kiki just said to Roddy "Josh has got to go now" |
Wendo | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:55 pm     Jan, yeah, I heard that too. But, we've heard that many times before. They'll be mad at him for awhile and then their anger will disapate. I don't think Josh is going anywhere yet. |
Maris | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:55 pm     That is right Jan but who started the conversation? It was Jason who went to Roddy. This ties into the conversation that Marcellas and Dani had. Dani said that they would test jasons loyalty if he can convince the others to get rid of Josh. So it looks like Jason is doing his job. Dani is the one who pulled the strings here. |
Cricket | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 01:08 pm     I keep thinking Marcellas may be the next "Will." He's been nominated quite a bit just like Will was, but keeps getting saved. I wouldn't mind Lisa and Jason in the finals, but it looks like Lisa might get booted Thursday. Quote from the live feeds today: Dani says Jason now planning to vote for Eric to stay because Roddy told him that Lisa wanted him out next. End Quote It wasn't posted that there was anyone else around so what's going on? I can't believe Jason would actually BELIEVE anything Roddy says. He's a huge manipulator and roundabout liar. From the feeds, it appears that Lisa detests Gerry and Josh. Haven't seen her say anything about Jason. I thought Jason was too smart to be played by Roddy. |
Eden | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 01:25 pm     Will was disliked by some of the HGs at first but like so many of the posters here, by the end, I think most of them liked him personally and found him amusing if nothing else. Will was always cavalierly charming if Evil! I don't see Josh as so facile a personality. He's obnoxious...period. I can't see him going the distance. Relax! Patience! |
Wcv63 | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 01:33 pm     Guinevere, I never got on the Will train either. I met the train at the station with a resigned sigh but never actually boarded it while it was enroute. I too believe that many of the hgs are trying to use strategies they have seen be successful in the past. Some are a combination of 2 or more strategies and some are a bizarre mutation (i.e. Josh) of only the most obnoxious. I hope that originality of thought (and strategy) will win the day on this BB. IMO, Jason fits that scenario very nicely.  |
Msnapsnap | Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 01:33 pm     On the final episode...doesn't the jury of past evictees get to vote on the winner? If Josh is one of the final 2 and its a live show--he's gonna freak out. That's worth waiting for. |