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Mrs_Taz

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For the last few weeks she has been able to get people to vote for who she wanted them to vote for, but this week she has no say or control they are not listening to her they are voting their own way and she is voting with them.

After Gerry's talk with Marc she has lost points with him as well.

It seems like the others have started playing their own game. I think she made her move too soon.

Wcv63

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know Mrs_Taz. Dani still has some influence but has chosen to "hold" for yet one more week in deference to her alliance mates' wishes. Jason's wish not to break his word and Marc's wish to get Josh out. That, in and of itself, proves to them that she is on their side. IMO

Tvjunkie

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mrs_Taz, did I miss something? What was G & M's talk about? and I don't mean to sound like a dummy, but what move?

Bmh

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont think Dani lost her power..I think this is just a easy week for her..because she is fed up with Josh as much as the rest of them..and she figures even if Roddy got HOH one of his nominees would be Gerry and that would be a easy pick-off
I think she actually has more power..because she has now recruited Lisa to her alliance..and Lisa will probably stay loyal as long as Eric doesn't come back..she is biding her time..she has Roddy and Chiara's number and they will be out the door soon enough

Muse

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think she's lost any power. She hasn't really pushed that strongly for either Roddy or Josh going, since I think she sees benefits with either one going. If she really wanted Roddy out, I think she could arrange it.

I think people in Danielle's alliance (Gerry, Marcellas, and Lisa - not Jason as much) are a bit wary of her, but they always have been. But so far she's done a good job in convincing them that she's on their side, so they're all still loyal. And she has some power over them. I doubt that she could really dictate their actions, but I never thought that was the case. But she can help influence their thinking and decisions, IMO.

Bmh

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Muse you got it mixed up..Jason and Dani are still a power of 2 if you watched the feeds 2 nites ago..they had a long conversation about being the final 2..her biggest allies are Jason,Marcellas,and Lisa..Gerry is kind of in her alliance but her and M wouldn't mind getting rid of him at any time

Mrs_Taz

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tv-When they were talking about Gerry's habits and he told Marc that if it was Danielle that had a problem with him washing his things in the kitchen sink. He asked her if she was ok with it and she said she was, but then went behind his back and complained. He would have preferred she told him when he asked.

C1mag

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 12:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wouldn't be so sure that Jason is too devoted to Dan at this moment. Just now in the HRD Jason was talking about having another little camp out and Chi said this time they have to invite Roddy to which the others kinda cringed at the thought and Jason said, "Come on guys, Roddy isn't the fuddy duddy you think he is" and then Dan replied, " Jason will you do me a favor? Will you please get your nose outta Roddys ass?" There was no laughter, complete silence, and Chiara was present. Dan leaned forward and said to Jason, "Yeah I said it" and then they gave each other a look. She knows he is falling back in love with Roddy and it's pissing her off!! She's got to get rid of Roddy NOW!!! I can't believe that some are forgetting this is a game where you have to evict the best players and the best player is up on the block and they aren't going for it. Dani knows it and so does Gerry. They just need one more vote and I think Dan would do best to centeralize on Marc or Lisa. Jason is becomming a complete wet blanket. If he gets hoh his family should just send him a blank check and have him write out 500 grand to Roddy right now!

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 12:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag...geesh I say it time and time again how people listen to the same conversations and come out with completely different impressions but every time it happens I am surprised.

I heard that convo...and after she said it..Jason and a couple of others did that "Oh no you didn't" noise and started giggling. Then Chiara said, "Yeah Jason, you and I can't go after the same a$$h0le." Once again, "Oh no you didn'ts" followed along with "oooooo weees" and laughter.

They were joking for goodness sake.

C1mag

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 12:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Wcv but there were NO "OH no you didnt's" this time and I am certain of that. The camera even went in close to Jasons face and it was very interesting. The only laughter came after Chiara added that little comment after the silence. I'm positive of it. It wasn't a funny moment. Sorta awkward. By the way I'm not sure that Chi said it the way you are saying it. I think it was something like, There's not room for two noses up the same ass. It was not a light moment.

Guiltyviewer

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 12:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1Mag and Wcv63, I was also listening to the conversations and wanted to add something omitted that lends a little more info to the tone of the exchange (IMHO). They were talking about how much fun they'd had 'camping out' that time and they just HAD to do it again, etc...when Jason said this time they needed to include Roddy. The others reactions were somewhat less than enthusiastic (mild groans)to which Jay said, "come on, he's not the fuddy duddy you all think he is, he's a lot of fun, he's the most fun of ALL of us!" I think it was his absolute enthusiasm and clear devotion to Roddy that prompted the kind of comment that Dani made to him.

I don't think Dani's really mad, nor did I take it as them just joking around with each other either. I think it was a way for Dani to use that immediate opportunity to point out to Jason just how infatuated he seems to be with Roddy.

Another reason I felt she chose to address it then was because Jason had just finished talking about what they were going to wear for the show Thurs(in 80s style or in all black as had been discussed the night before), and the others were considering options when Jason said "well roddy and I are wearing the 80s style no matter what you guys are doing!" Again, he seems to give more weight to what Roddy thinks is good or best or right, whatever.

I really like Jason, but AM noticing that his loyalty and admiration of Roddy are getting him away from focusing on the game as well as he once was doing (and Dani and he do have their agreement with each other so no wonder she's wanting to keep him on target!) He acts more like the 'younger brother' looking up to his wonderful big bro (no pun) than facing or trying to outwit a competitor.

anyway, that was my take on the episode :)

(wcv..been thinking about beignets ALL day long---mmmmmmm :)!!!)

C1mag

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 12:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Guilty thats how I saw it as well. It really was not a lite moment but also not intense. I guess you might call it Dani's way of scolding him without being too harsh. I sorta cringed at his comments as well because anyone with this much adoration for someone is going to have a very hard time getting rid of a person who will work to get rid of you when the time is just right.

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 12:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I looked at it as Jason's reaction everytime someone in the house is maligned. Jason has stood up for Gerry, for Amy, for Josh...etc.

Jason is noted in the house for being so "good".

Guiltyviewer

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 12:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that's the best description of it C1mag--Dani was 'scolding' Jason, much like a big sister might do with a younger sibling. She said it in a way that meant for him to pay attention to it (esp when she added "yep, that's what I said!" so he knew she wasn't just kidding) but not in a mean or hurtful way.

I hope Jason gets back on track with the original alliance he and Dani had...that was a gameplan I was looking forward to watching play out. Now, I'm not sure he will remember his previous 'take' on Roddy...that he was smart, a good guy, etc but with an Achilles heel (Chiara), and that when the time came, he'd have no problem voting/nominating Roddy out.

C1mag

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 12:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
and now Jason has been invited to sleep in the hoh with Ki and Rod and he is going to do it. She has already said to Jason in the bathroom that they would "disguss" it in the hoh. Looks to me that sweet Jason is backing away from Dani's plan at least for the time being.

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 12:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jason is just not limiting his options and is trying to restore credibility where it may have become damaged.

I still think Jason is committed to the Dani alliance.

Jason can like other people in the house without it being some kind of betrayal.

Guiltyviewer

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 01:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Further worry about where Jason's head is game-wise now....he went to the kitchen for his frozen water and was responding to light comments from Roddy and Josh who were playing chess/talking at the sofas...Jason hollers out to Roddy, "is it okay if I do a sleepover tonight?" and Roddy says "I would LOVE for you to do that" to which Chiara who was coming down the hall immediately said, "Jason, it's my room and you need to ask ME about that".

Jason is really forgetting who IS in power positions and giving Roddy more weight and influence than he deserves. Wake up Jason and start playing again, or lose your advantage.

Wcv, I totally agree with you (and am always happy when he does it) that Jason sticks up for the others, always trying to find a better light to put things in. However, I didn't think that was applicable this time because there really wasn't any ragging on Roddy, it was just a very mild reluctance by the others in the room to want to include Roddy...and the OVERLY enthusiastic comments in Roddy's favor. Just didn't fit Jason's past demonstrations of support, at least the way I read it. I hope your view is the one that it turns out to be though cuz that would mean 'my boy' isn't getting sidetracked and stop fawning over Roddy, seeking his attention and tacit approval.

Wcv63

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 01:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Frozen water? Ice you mean? :)

I admit I have a bias when it comes to Jason and have a tendancy to look at events slanted favorably in his direction. I could have overlooked a tone or inflection in Dani's voice during that convo.

Admitting I may be wrong is so taxing on my psyche. I may need an emergency DR.

C1mag

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 01:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have no problem with Jas keeping friends within the house but I think he's losing his head over Roddy again and that isn't a good thing at all.

Wendo

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 02:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if perhaps Jason and Danille purposefully created the tension, to ensure that they aren't on the block at the same time. In addition, perhaps he's hoping that Roddy and Chi will bring him into their confidence and they will tell him their intentions for future nominations. I think we'll find out more what's going on during Wednesday's show and see the DR entries. I hope so anyway....

Guiltyviewer

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 02:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv, yep that's ICE alright!! Can you believe that's what the hgs called it too...that's why I repeated it I think and it didn't even dawn on me what I was saying :).

Oops, I was wrong...can ya let me know when you're outta the DR so I can have my turn? My psyche and your psyche are in sync!

And let's be sending 'winning' thoughts to our boy Jason. Hope we're all worrying over nothin' in the long run and he's just so cleverly scheming that we just can't see it yet.
(oh ye of little faith?)

Romans8_1

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Wendo is on the right track. D/J have mentioned several times about staging a fight. D took this opportunity to create some tension. J might have been caught off guard, but that made the reaction even that more real. I guarantee you that J thought about it later and realized what happened. Don't forget that D/J are playing this game levels above everyone else.

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that many in this thread are making this far too complicated and suspicious. Jason is simply doing some schmoozing and making sure his alliance to Danielle remains BB3's deep dark secret. Jason realizes he will be nominated soon, and he wants to make sure that no one perceives him as a troubled loner without communication skills. His values represent a distinct contrast to most of the others, and he is merely playing the game he has repeatedly diagrammed in his diary room discussions. I may be overestimating his talents in this game, but I have yet to see anything but brilliance in his strategy.

Romans8_1

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 05:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
original question "Has she lost her power?" ...

I don't think so. She is just picking and choosing her battles. She may loose this battle (I hope not), but the war is the bigger picture. Power is not necessarily the day-to-day manipulation (people get wise to that), but the subtle long term manipulation. Real power is not strong-arming. D has been very good about not forcing her hand too far (yet). When everything is said and done, I still say that D and R are the 2 powerhouses in the house. And isn't it funny where Jason is. Aligned with both powerhouses, although I think the one with D is real and will go to the end.

Woodpecke®

Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 06:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This game is now over a month gone, and Roddy has not made any moves to indicate he is a powerhouse. Danielle was very cautious at the beginning of the game, and her discussions in the diary room made many viewers leery of Roddy and, for many, the impression still lingers. Roddy has blundered every single chance to control this game, and a skilled player like Danielle knows that Roddy is not a factor. His nominations were poor and puzzling, he lost his friend Eric, he hooked up with Chiara and totally lost control of his situation. He then gets nominated by Chiara, and decides not to fight the nomination because of his already diminished sense of perception. He will always remain the guy that could have won the $$$$$ but choked on his own ego.