All things considered: What's more advantageous? Booting Eric or Lisa?
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All things considered: What's more advantageous? Booting Eric or Lisa?
Tripwaste | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 08:09 am     Although Eric and Lisa seem to be a symbiotic organism (two votes in one host-body), what are the positives, negatives and wildcards in voting either out either of them? Voting out either _ * Breaks up the couple, thus eliminating their bloc of two, as well as the gang of four (if you count Roddy and Chiara as being solid with them) Voting out Eric _ * Eliminates a buddy guy, who seemingly gells with Roddy and the four/five/six. Roddy loses the muscle Knight of his barstool intelli-jockcracy; leaves Roddy with a Joker (Josh), a neutered Bishop (Gerry) and two possible handmaidens (Chi and Lisa). * Eliminates Eric's national hero profile from final competition, ie. firefighter sympathy/empathy/worship, which no one would want to face head-to-head. * Eliminates competitive competitor type (notice Eric won PoVeto and nearly won HoH last time around). * Frees up Lisa to be her own organism, which may be key in a swing vote kinda way down the line. Voting out Lisa _ * Further decimates the wimminfolk, leaving only Chiara (who seems to be host-body to Roddy's hot toddy) and Danielle (producer-picked fave?). * Leaves Eric to fight more in-house fires, avenge her loss, keeps Roddy's bloc strong. Points of interest _ * Eric probably eats more than Lisa. * If left single, Lisa might be more willing to change her strategy than Eric. So, if it came to a tie, would having Eric remain, or having Lisa remain, be more palatable for Pontius Gerry? and/or the rest of the houseguests? All signs point to Eric saying goodbye for good. Can anyone see it any other way? Does anyone foresee the possibility of Eric getting voted out by the voting HG's themselves? Break it down. |
Costacat | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 08:16 am     I agree that I think it would be a more strategic move to vote Eric out for those who are not in the couples bloc. So, for Danielle, Jason, Josh, Gerry, and Marcellas, I think they SHOULD vote out Eric. If I were Roddy & Chiara, though, I'd also vote out Eric. He's the strongest player of the two, and most likely to win HOH or a veto. I'd say that if they actually thought strategy, Eric should go out on a unanimous vote. But then, that may just be wishful thinkin' on my part |
Lurknomore | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 08:18 am     Of the 2 I'd prefer Eric stay for two main reasons. One he is harmless (ie dumb as a brick) so won't present many problems down the road as long as he and the Rodster aren't allowed to remain a team. Two, for strictly female reasons he is enjoyable to look at and his sleep talk is TOO damn funny. That said, what I want is Roddy and Chiapet gone badly. I think Eric and Lisa are somewhat sweet and entertaining and I'm bummed that this is breaking up, as not all that much has been entertaining to watch in the house. But I digress (regretfully). Sure wish this was an option though. |
Jan | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 08:23 am     I think many of us have a wishful fantasy that KiKI would veto one of them and Gerry would nom Roddy and he would be out...but since that is NOT going to happen this time around, the wisest strategy seems to be to evict eric IMHO. Lisa doesn't appear to be a danger to anyone. Even if she made it to the final 2, she wouldn't get anyone's vote except maybe Eric's. She seems to be the safest to keep around from strategy perspective. Also if KiKi votes to evict her and the clique manages to convince Lisa that that happened, she just might side with them against Rod and Kik |
Mslyegirl | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 08:31 am     I am still holding out hope that Chi will surprise us by using the veto. Proving that the last few weeks with Roddy have all been some horrible dream or that she has been playing him all along giving Gerry the green light to nominate him. With only Josh and Eric on his side he's out. But, it ain't gonna happen. So, I vote for Eric. Lisa has already proven that you can betray her and she won't take action (remember her overhearing Josh talking smack during her time as HoH). She is no threat. |
Tripwaste | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 08:49 am     Just to take a sidestep down what-if? memory lane for a moment ... Remember when Danielle handed the first HoH title to Lisa on a plate _ Dani's reasoning being that Lori would more likely to forgive and forget (way down the line in this case) ... Well, been wondering, what if Lorimar had been bestowed HoH that first week? Who do you think Lori would have put up for eviction? Furthermore, was Lori producer-picked as a likely first-batch of bootees to go from the start?? She just didn't seem to show us she had the Right Stuff. Thoughts, ideas, regressions? |
Earthmother | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 08:56 am     For the clique more adventageous to vote out Eric For Roddy/Chiara (since there won't be a Fab 4): Lisa For me without Lisa I don't have to see her butt for the rest of the show or hear her constant whining about the bad people. Without Eric I don't have to see him exercising,looking at Lisa's butt and hanging on Roddy's every word (even though he doesn't understand one word of it, but then again neither do we) or hear "HI" during an act that would be best done off the television screen. |
Eden | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 10:12 am     It seems the older woman character is an easy first pick for these younger demographic skewed casts. Without knowing anyone, they just look around and choose to vote for the person that looks least like them. And let's face it, the younger folks tend to want to turn an older woman into a "mom" type character and who wants to be hanging out with their mom all summer? Lori would have probably nominated Josh and Marcellas... just wild surmise on my part. Eric is the logical choice for the Clique to oust. With Lisa cut loose, they might even gain her allegiance once she sees that Chiara voted against her. Possible WIN/WIN for the clique. Roddy just needs to clean his strategy slate and start over. Maybe this time acknowledging the fact that everyone in the house isn't just sitting around waiting for him to pluck their puppet strings. He's got some scrambling to do. Trip, Loved the "barstool intelli-jockracy"! Entertaining post. Thanks for the laugh! |
Tripwaste | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 07:46 pm     Haha, thanks for catching that, Eden. Yeah, Lori definitely fit the older lady to be kicked off first demo. (Think Sonia; Diane from Survivors past). With last year's BB2, Sheryl got it inadvertently, but that was more a preemptive strategy strike by T.O.P. rather than a simple sacrificial case of getting younger through attritiion. Trying to figure out who would've gotten booted in a first eviction vote between Josh and Marce, and even then, it seems awfully close. |
Bmh | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 07:52 pm     Eric needs to go..I will go crazy if he doesn't!!! |
Duncan | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 07:55 pm     Personally, I think the more important thing is to break up that foursome. If they were all to last another week, it would probably be the four of them at the end. At least this way someone other than one of them has a better shot at the game. Although....seeing the four of them at the end having to nominate each other could be fun to watch, but then we would have to listen to a week's worth of apologizing for it. |
Cricket | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 07:58 pm     If Lisa gets booted, it will be very hard for a woman to win the game. That does not bode well for Dani! |
Muse | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 09:14 pm     Why would that not bode well for Danielle? She has an alliance with Marcellas, Jason, and even Gerry. It's not like Roddy and the rest are targeting people simply because they're women. It's strategy. It might cut down on Dani's chances a little since she's more likely to buddy up with Lisa than Eric (and because Eric's a stronger player), but I think she'd cope. Those benefiting from Lisa going: Roddy, Eric (obviously ), Josh, and possibly Jason (since he'd stay UTR that way - the clique overall would benefit from Eric going, but Jason would be the biggest target of the three). Those benefiting from Eric going: Danielle, Marcellas, Lisa ( ), Gerry. Chiara *would* have been better off with Eric going. But now that she's decided to scheme against Lisa, I don't think that's the case anymore. |
Spunky | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 09:41 pm     Because we have to put a break on this spiralling fall from grace, to balance things up, it's time a man is evicted. I wished it was Josh but unfortunately is Eric, but we must start eliminating some of the guys. If Lisa goes I don't see any reason to keep Chiara or Danielle, might as well get rid of them too (this is Roddy thinking), it's been so easy so far (again it's Roddy thinking). Once a man is gone I'm pretty sure another one will go and another and another, till hopefully we have restored a decent balance. |
Bmh | Monday, August 05, 2002 - 09:44 pm     I agree Spunky..when Eric goes..then Gerry/Josh/Roddy will soon follow not necessarily in that order..but they will definitely follow Eric and Im bettin if Lisa stays which I believe she will by the final 6 it will be even 3 guys and 3 girls |
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