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Twiggyish | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:01 pm     But some people might hold him up as an example of an Atheist and form opinions based on his actions about ALL Atheists. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:03 pm     Twiggyish - Roddy DOES represent all atheists...atheism is simply not believing in god. Atheism is not like an organized religion, with thousands of denominations, sects and faiths, each with a different set of beliefs, rituals and acceptable behavior. There are NO "rules". Atheism is the same for ALL atheists. Roddy's behavior dies not define atheism...his lack of a belief in god does. at http://www.dictionary.com there are the only 3 definitions that came up for "atheist": 3 entries found for atheist. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ a·the·ist Pronunciation Key (th-st) n. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods. Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ atheist \A"the*ist, n. [Gr. ? without god; 'a priv. + ? god: cf. F. ath['e]iste.] 1. One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being. 2. A godless person. [Obs.] Syn: Infidel; unbeliever. Note: See Infidel. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ atheist adj : related to or characterized by or given to atheism; "atheist leanings" [syn: atheistic, atheistical] n : someone who denies the existence of god Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University |
Twiggyish | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:05 pm     http://www.infidels.org/index.shtml San, that site has a belief system stated on the first page. I'm just looking at it from an observers point of view. It appears to be an organized group. It also looks interesting. I bookmarked it for a later look. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:07 pm     "But some people might hold him up as an example of an Atheist and form opinions based on his actions about ALL Atheists." "Some people" might hold Josh up as an example of all Jews and Marcellas as an example of all African-Americans and Chiara up as an example of all white American women. If "some people" want to stereotype everybody in a group because of the actions of one single person, then that is a big problem that "some people" have....but it certainly is not Roddy's problem. |
Wcv63 | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:08 pm     Moedog...it was a criticism of Christianity. And some here on the board were very offended by his John Edwards comment. I think he's the guy that speaks to people on the "other side." All you asked for was examples of criticism. I just gave two. You didn't say that I'd have to defend the positions of John Edwards and/or Christianity. I wouldn't have answered you had you stated that. |
Twiggyish | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:09 pm     So, all Atheists are exactly like Roddy. Is that your point? My point is this, we can't point out one person, use him as an example and draw conclusions about everyone who believes the same. This thread could have been something like Female Danielle, playing the game. |
Twiggyish | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:12 pm     "If "some people" want to stereotype everybody in a group because of the actions of one single person, then that is a big problem that "some people" have....but it certainly is not Roddy's problem." That's right!!! It's not Jason's problem either. But, I had to wade through post after post about Christianity.. Why can't we have a similar discussion about Atheism, or Jewishness, or any other belief system. |
Wcv63 | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:13 pm     No one person is representative of any group. They are only representative of themself as an individual. It would be as much of an overgeneralization to say that Crocodile Dundee represents all of Australia or that Elton John is representative of all singer/songwriters. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:14 pm     Twiggyish - Oprah's book club is also a "group" but I wouldn't call it a "religion". I glanced at that site....looks like a group of people that want to capitalize on the great untapped resources of nonbelievers. I don't understand why anyone would want to form a group to collectively NOT believe in something. LOL |
Twiggyish | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:15 pm     Exactly WCV. I was just picking on poor Roddy tonight. |
Twiggyish | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:15 pm     That's true, because they do ask for money.. ohh that's sounding a lot like something else. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:21 pm     "So, all Atheists are exactly like Roddy. Is that your point? My point is this, we can't point out one person, use him as an example and draw conclusions about everyone who believes the same." Twiggyish - I did NOT say that all atheists are exactly LIKE Roddy. I mean all atheists have the same belief system as Roddy....which is a disbelief in god. Atheism is very, very, very simple....it is simply NOT believing in god. Period. There is NOTHING more to it. It does NOT encompass any rules of behavior or faith like a religion does. If Roddy states that he is an atheist and that he does not believe in god, then that means he is stating the (non)belief system of ALL atheists! If there is even one atheist that believes in god even a little bit, then he is NOT an atheist. Reread the definition above....it's really very simple. |
Twiggyish | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:23 pm     At least you didn't use a lot of honey's and baby's in your posts San..LOL |
Moedog | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:27 pm     Roddy made a statement that Christianity has impeded the progress of technology, but he didn't actually criticize other people for their own religious belief. It's as factual a statement as speaking about the cruelties inflicted during the Inquisition. How can it be considered a criticism when it's a fact that Christians everywhere cannot deny? They weren't called the "Dark Ages" for nothing. History is history and Christianity did impede technological advances then and we can talk about stem cell research today and see that it still holds true. Okay, John Edward (no "s") is the guy in question. So what if Roddy thinks the guy is a quack? He's an atheist. He doesn't believe in an afterlife. He stated his belief. Aren't "some" people on this board criticizing Roddy's belief since they responded AFTER he said it? |
Twiggyish | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:28 pm     Well Roddy is entitled to his belief. He's just very cynical about others. But, he is that way about almost any other opinion, which opposes his own. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:29 pm     Wcv63 - "It would be as much of an overgeneralization to say that Crocodile Dundee represents all of Australia or that Elton John is representative of all singer/songwriters." I see your point but I think my point is being overlooked. There are LOTS of different types of Australians....and there are plenty of different types of singer-songwriters. When it comes to Christianity, there are a zillion different inetrpretations and faiths. But when it comes to atheism there is one simple definition. Roddy's "behavior" does not represent anything but Roddy's personality....but his view of atheism represents the ONLY definition of atheism...for ALL atheists. Atheism is simply the belief in the idea that there is no god. It does not encompass behavior, action, personality, talent, or any other rule. |
Wcv63 | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:30 pm     Moedog...once again..you asked for criticisms. I gave two examples. I will not defend either position. I consider Roddy to be a pompous overbearing pontificating know-it-all. That's a position I'd be willing to defend. |
Twiggyish | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:33 pm     According to the site I just read, Atheism has more meaning. From your definition, it clearly states the one belief or nonbelief. But, I respect your point. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:35 pm     "Well Roddy is entitled to his belief. He's just very cynical about others. But, he is that way about almost any other opinion, which opposes his own." Right, but that has nothing to do with his being an atheist.... in keeping with the topic of this thread, Roddy's playing the game just fine and he doesn't feel the need to pray to win. He's depending on his own tactics and intelligence. (No, that does not guarantee that he will win or that it will even give him an edge...but then niether does prayer) |
Moedog | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:35 pm     I also consider Roddy to be a pompous, overbearing, pontificating know-it-all, but I contend that both of those examples are not criticisms of anyone's religious belief or Christianity itself. One is a factual, historical assessment, the other HIS personal atheistic belief which was criticized by *some* people on these boards. |
Wcv63 | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:37 pm     Well SanFran I think that was the point I was trying to make in the Christian Jason playing the game thread. Behaviors vs beliefs. Although I do see your point that Christianity can influence your behavior as well as your beliefs whereas Atheism is but a belief with no attendant behaviors. Ummm Okay. I think I just agreed with you without really meaning to.  |
Twiggyish | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:38 pm     Moe, I'm happy you agree with us about Roddy. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:39 pm     Wccv63 - "Ummm Okay. I think I just agreed with you without really meaning to." Thanks! I feel that my work here is done. I can go to bed bow. LOL |
Moedog | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:40 pm     Is there anyone who doesn't view Roddy that way? What are they thinking? : ) |
Twiggyish | Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:40 pm     But San, do you see the irony of this thread? It wasn't really about Roddy. I don't care if he reads the Bible or not. I was holding him up to the same light as Jason. The same criticism based on his actions or supposed action. This is an UN religious thread. (Sort of like the ungun thread last year) |
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