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Keiffer

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 06:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eden if it was Dan against Josh this week who should the house vote out?

If it was Josh against Jason this week who should the house vote out?

You can see in terms like these that it will always make since to vote the person against Josh out instead of him. That is what makes him tough. Surly you would want to be in the final two against Josh instead of Rod, Dan, Marcy, or Jboy. That is what makes him a threat. Everyone there knows if they go up against him that logic could come and get them.

Also I would like to add that people keep saying that the good people were forced to give their word and therfor should not be held to their promises. You know they were getting something out of the deal too. They were each given a 100% certainty that they were not getting evicted this week. They were given a chance to kick out a person that every one of them has said over and over they do not want in the house. Add to that if Josh had not been the guy Chiara got her head so wrapped around perhaps her and Roddy would have seen that Dan, Marcy, and Jboy had an obvious alliance because of last weeks voting. They were so anxious for anything to take the headlines away from the vote that they rushed to join Chiara in the get Josh movement.

Gouraphik

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 06:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfranjoshfan said:

"Don't get me wrong...I like Roddy. I do not like Josh. But...if I was in the house (knowing what I know from being out here!) I'd feel more threatened playing this game against Roddy than Josh. Still...I think the HG will vote emotionally and Josh will go."


Exactly, Sanfranjoshfan. I can give all the reasons in the world as to why Roddy is a stronger player and a greater threat than Josh, but in the end, I'm not in there playing the game. They are. If they evict Josh this week, they evict him. I can't do anything about that other than gnash my teeth a bit and move on.

If they want to use the decoy theory, or want to believe that they can target anybody at any time (instead of focusing on getting rid of one of their top 4 targets each week, which is doable), or think they can set up the top 2 to skew in their favor (even though the evicted HG's may not use their logic), then more power to 'em.

I'm still gonna analyze them, though. I just can't help myself. :)

Bmh

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
you guys need to cut your posts down to like a paragraph..I dont feel like reading the whole thing!...oh what the heck..Keiffer I agree with you lol

Woodpecke®

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How bout giving us ONE good reason why Roddy is a threat in this house, Gouraphik. (I have been waiting all day to hear this one).

Bmh

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol oh oh Gouraphik..it is extremely aggravating and annoying to disagree with Wood..I wouldn't recommend it..no offense Wood!

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"if it was Dan against Josh this week who should the house vote out?

If it was Josh against Jason this week who should the house vote out?"

Well....that really depends on who one is rooting for, doesn't it? If I was rooting for Dani/Jase/Marce, I'd have to say they "should" vote out Josh over Dani. By the same logic, I'd say they "should" vote out Josh over Jason.

If it was Lisa vs Chiara, I'd think the house "should" vote out Chiara, because I am rooting for her strongest opponents (Dani/Marce/jason).

Some of these HG are voting to "clean up the house" (as Chiara put it in a discussion about Josh going). That may make things less stressful, but it is not the best strategy to win the game.

"They were given a chance to kick out a person that every one of them has said over and over they do not want in the house."

I see it more of "they were given an *ultimatum* to kick out a person that every one of them has said over and over they do not want in the house....even though they have a chance to kick out someone they *may* consider more threatening."

JMO

Woodpecke®

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought we were buddies now Bmh. I actually have a fresh plate of hush puppies with your name on them.

Sisalou

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The reason I would see Roddy as a threat is that he seems to have cultivated fairly good relationships with all the evicted hg's so far. When they were giving Amy her love talk, he even mentioned something about missing Lori and Tonya. I think he may have been saying that just in case they or their family/friends were watching live feeds.

I think if Roddy and whoever else makes it to the end, Roddy will have a good chance of getting the votes. If I were a hamster that is why I would want to get him out. Let Josh stay and have the $50,000 and they can have the big prize.

Bmh

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Wood..I really want to try them!..Obviously I am not a southern and dont eat hush puppies,catfish,corn bread,and greens for dinner..so I am really interested in southern cuisine

Keiffer

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran... at last it comes out.

It has nothing to do with stronger player. It has to do with who you are rooting for. That is exactly the post I said way back at 4:45.

I am fine with the argument that Josh is a better person, I like Josh more than Roddy, Josh is my kind of guy, and Roddy is a jerk. I just do not buy the bigger threat argument.

Bmh

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That is your opinion..Keiffer but I cant see how you can like Josh...I mean outside the game I see Roddy as a very interesting person..but Josh I think he is just a immature,obnoxious scrub..I would be pulling my hair out if I ever had to come in contact with him..

Wendo

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Other than Gerry playing strategically with Eric being evicted, every decision from nominations, to PoV, to eviction has been emotionally based. Therefore, while I think Roddy should be the HG evicted on Thursday, I believe it will be Josh as well.

There must be some weird jou jou in that house, that once you enter you completely forget that you're playing a game. (And, in games such as this, the point is to take out your biggest (perceived) threat.)

Keiffer

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey that cornbreads smellin' pretty good....

Dipo

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, I think you are right and so is Marcellas when he says they need to wave the sage, there is bad mojo from last year!!!!

Cameltoes

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with Keiffer. If future nominations hold to the bigger "threat" theory where Josh is a nominee, he will not go. On the other hand, Roddy is targeted as a threat by several people and even if one of them ends up leaving before he does, he remains a target. I really don't think Josh will remain a target. It would give them a pass for a week. Chiara would be next to go but I do believe they would turn on each other before getting rid of Josh.

Gouraphik

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No problemo, Woodpecker! I have given various reasons in many of my posts.

Use the following links, look for my name, and read the post:

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Keiffer

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ARRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!! Again why is the big threat? People just keep saying it without backing it up.

Except Sis.... I appreciate your argument, and is the firs thing I have heard that make me at least think that Rod is a bigger threat that Josh. Not enough to change my mind, I need a couple more reasons in addition to yours to switch.

Bmh, I DO NOT like Josh.... it would not be my argument to keep Josh, I was just saying I could buy that because it would be a personality opnion, and not one based on real game strategy.

Bmh

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont know what the big deal is Josh can go this week..and as long as D/J/M/L can manage to get HOH this week..then they can nominate Roddy and get rid of him next week..even G would probably nominate Roddy..if Josh goes this week..Roddy is just a dead man walking..his time will be short..then after that all they have to worry about is Chiara

Dipo

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kieffer, I like Josh as well, not all his behavior, but him, he is a lesser threat, and I saw his conversation with Marcellas and he was being geniuiwn (sp) when he was telling him about what happened. I may be the only person who thought he was sincere when talking to Marcellas, but my take on the conversation was that Josh was defeated and he was telling the truth, but no one will beleive him. He did not mean to hurt m, but m is really easy to hurt --look how hurt he was by amy, and I think Josh needs to get back in the game and really give the hg's a reason to get rid of Roddy. Just wish I could tell him so, yes he is obnoxious and talks to much, but he is a good guy and needs to stop being alone so much. And I do really like Marcellas

Firebird05

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am going to have to agree with Keiffer. Roddy is no longer a threat. Not since Eric waked out the door. Josh is the bigger threat in that you never know when he is going to explode and blow your cover as well as his.

Keiffer while I cannot join in on your defense of Chia, I'll have to say if I ever needed defending I'd want you in my corner.

If Bmh doesn't want the hushpuppies can I have some.

Keiffer

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dipo that convo with Marcy that Josh had may have had parts of sincerity in them, but don't overlook his actual goal in that talk. He repeated over and over that Roddy was his boy, and would vote for him if he makes it to the final two. Railed against Chiara because "he talked to her after the vote" ( A LIE) all to make the Roddy Chiara team look dangerous to Marcy without actually looking like he was campainging. The thought being Roddy is the real threat, and who would you rather be in the final two with. He even used the statement that he was using saying "if people were playing the game, and it was like 4 people left I know who they would be voting for". He was trying to put pieces of the truth out there to lend creditablity to the rest of his argument.

That is what makes Josh so strong a player. He uses just enough truth to make his whole conversation sound truthful. He just forgot that that Marcy was still sensitive about the first week, and should have found a different truth to make the other lies sound right.


ALL of this is why he is at least as big a threat as Roddy. He is very good at these convos. That and the voting thing I have talked about so much today.

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer - "Sanfran... at last it comes out.

It has nothing to do with stronger player. It has to do with who you are rooting for. That is exactly the post I said way back at 4:45."

I think you missed my point. With Roddy and Josh on the block (and I am rooting for Dani/Marce/Jason), I believe Roddy is a greater threat to Dani/Marce/Jason/Gerry/Lisa than Josh is. Josh is a dead duck with NO support. Roddy still has SOME support, ergo, Roddy is a stronger player than Josh. This would be true no matter who I was rooting for.

"if it was Dan against Josh this week who should the house vote out?"

If it was Josh against Jason this week who should the house vote out?"

Who is "the house" and why would "the house" think that they "should" vote collectively? It's a game of changing alliances, not a "good for the house" thing.

If you are asking who the strongest players are, I would have to say that in your first scenario it is Dani and in your second scenario it is Jason. I don't know why "the house" *should* vote out either of them.

Josh's minute chance of slipping through the cracks several more times is not because he is a stronger player...it's because he is a weaker player. The fact that he has not been evicted before is not due to a strength that he possesses....it is his weakness that saved him.

The HG will have to start getting ruthless soon. I think if Josh were to win, it would not be because he is such a strong player, but because the others took him for granted as an easy eviction for too long (which would be a weakness of theirs....although a lucky break for Josh). Personally, I think they could do okay taking him for granted one more week.

JMO

Eden

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I see no reason to give Roddy a chance to catch a second wind and regroup an opposing alliance to the tenuously growing "clique", which is a real possibility. Sorry, Keiffer, I just don't see your reasoning as sound. Josh is no threat in any sense of the word until all the couple remnants are gone, unless he gets HOH and even then I think he'd target Chiara and Lisa for vengeance sake.

I guess that's what makes this game interesting, we can all watch the same thing and have a completely different interpretation of what's actually happening.

I just hope I'm never falsely arrested and Keiffer or Woodpeckr is the only "eyewitness"! lol
(a JOKE, I swear)

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Keiffer - You just said that sis made a good argument....but I said pretty much the same thing earlier:

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:15 am

"This far, Roddy's behavior has kept him from making emotional enemies in the house, such as the ones that Josh has made. His ability to stay cool and generally get along makes him more powerful.

Case in point - right now Roddy may very well be safe in this round, simply because he has not blown up and ranted and raved like Josh did....that shows he is playing the game in a way that does not cause the other HGs to want to boot him simply to keep peace in the house. "

Sisalou

Monday, August 12, 2002 - 07:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Thanks Keiffer! Now I have to go and try to remember what this thread is about. LOL I get sidetracked easily.