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Spunky

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why risk to make more enemies. I'd say leave it.

Does it seem to you that Lisa won't or will use it??

Annavenis

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't watched much today to figure it out yet but I hope she doesn't use it. Let Roddy & Chiara expect that they're all voting Josh out.

Roddy told Josh that he doesn't want POV used because he doesn't want to make enemies with the person put up in his place. I could kick Gerry for volunteering for that though!

What do you think?

Bmh

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont think Lisa will use it..she whispered to Dani at the table that Josh wanted to talk to her about the POV later and said it was important..but I dont see anyone using the veto unless it is extremely important to do so..Gerry made to many enemies the first week doing that

Moedog

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think she should use the POV. Let Josh and Roddy sweat it out. She SHOULD use her eviction vote against Roddy, though. Get him out while the opportunity is there 'cause it may not come around again.

Maris

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She pretty much said she will not use it. She doesnt want to show her hand to chiara and Roddy. Lisa is waiting for her moment.

Jhezzie

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think everyone is pretty happy with the line-up this week.

Spunky

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So, it's really not necessary this POV if you can have the same result without it, meaning there is no need to save Josh if you really want Roddy to go you just vote to evict him. Josh is safe anyway. The same thing can be said for Roddy, there is no need to use the POV to save Roddy if eviction goes for Josh.

I guess it's important when you really want to save one of the alliance.

Penpoint

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 10:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Since I want Roddy to win, I think Lisa should use the POV to save Roddy. If they don't get rid of Josh now, then there is a good chance he could be in the final two with Danielle. In that case--and only that case--I would hope Josh would win.

Spunky

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Looks like Josh is begging Lisa to use the POV to save Roddy. Doesn't he understand that they already decided to evict Josh?

I guess what he's really trying to do is to force another nomination and create havoc...

Wcv63

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's weird logic. Truly it is. I don't undestand Josh and I don't understand this ploy. He has to know by now that his nomination was set up to guarantee his eviction. What would taking Roddy off the block do? Put someone else in that would swing votes in the other direction? Earn him Roddy's undying loyalty so that he will rally the houseguests to oust the "plug in" nomination.

Well I guess it has some merit but it's totally transparent.

Spunky

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's the only reason for Josh wanting Lisa to use the POV. Force another nomination and stir things up even while knowing he's toast.. I guess desperate situations call for desperate measures...

Muse

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think she should use it. I don't really see it benefiting anyone if she does. Josh is going to go regardless. Roddy's accepted being nominated (although he's perhaps a bit nervous about it, for obvious reasons :)). Chiara would just be annoyed if Lisa forced her to nominate someone else.

Annavenis

Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was hoping to hear Lisa talk to Dani & Jason about her conversation with Josh just to get a feel for how she interpreted his plea...

And also, I'd like to hear what D & Ja thought especially since they were talking about how relieved they were to be getting rid of Josh this week. What the HAIL is going on in this place? I wish Josh would have kept his trap shut this week!

Spunky

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Instead I wonder what made Danielle change her mind about Roddy. She was the one pushing to get rid of Roddy. I guess she must have realized the majority wanted Josh gone.

Wcv63

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 12:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spunky, I think Marc's emotional crying jag and insistence that Josh go NOW has put her in the position of "going along to get along."

Earthmother

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd like to see her use it. Take Josh off the block (insure a peaceful week from him). She could explain that though Josh has lied to them that she is saving him for strategic reasons..Chiara only then has Dani/Marc/Jason/Gerry to put up. I don't think any of them will be voted out over Roddy. Then we could see if when knowing he really could be the one going how Roddy will behave. She could then go to Josh and give it to him with both barrells and tell him if he is put up again and acts the way he did after nominations that it is toast. I'd like to see how Josh behaves with no other alpha males in the house.

Spunky

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 09:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But would these people have the guts to do it?? Even Danielle gave up on the thought of saving Josh when faced with the harsh task of convincing the others.

Since many here suggesgt the "unexpected" is the way to go...well, why not, boot Roddy now, there won't be a better chance.

Poor Josh, after this he will be so scared that he'll behave so well and make it to the final..

Car54

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Think Lisa.... leave the veto alone. Neither Roddy, Chiara or Josh can vote...when is that gonna happen again.

Josh is on everyone's last nerve...leave Roddy up...vote him off. Josh will go next.

Be very diplomatic in the DR..."it is just strategy".... about voting for Roddy...(Just like Eric did when he said if you gotta go, you gotta go.... he is in it for the game...)

Come on, girl...think......

Silksmoke

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 10:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Perhaps Josh is begging Lisa to use the POV to save Roddy thinking Chiara may put Gerry in Rod's place. Knowing how many in the house get their only amusement in bashing Gerry, he may feel this is his only chance to survive this weeks eviction

Ladybug007

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What is the point of the VETO if nobody ever uses it!!!!!!!??!!!!

Cathie

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 10:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Josh knows he has NO chance against Roddy, and feels that his only chance to stay is to be put up against any of the others.

Earthmother

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 10:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
and if that happens then the evicted can get their revenge..Josh hasn't done anything they haven't done he's just more arrogant and smarmy about it. See I have a problem with little speeches like Eric's and Lisa's when they went to Gerry about the evils of Josh and if they truly dispised him as much as they say they do why didn't they go to Roddy when he was HOH and demand the same thing. It wasn't in their best interest that's why. Josh has the right (whichever irrating way he wants)to play this game. In a disfuctional way he has told more truth than fiction. For his nasty comments about Gerry I don't want him to win, but for the same reason I don't want Dani, Marc, Amy, Chiara, Eric, Tonya, Roddy or Lisa to win. I base my opinion on who I would like to finish using humane behavior while being a dirtbag. So far the only ones who fit the criteria for my favorite to walk away with money is Jason and Gerry. Everyone has their own criteria for who played the best, so whoever wins someone will be happy about it even if I'm not. I know mothers who will make nasty comments about the behavior of another person's kid but will completely justify it when her own kid get's caught or even go so far as to blame the teacher or any other person they can lay it on but the offender.

Spunky

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh would lose to Gerry as well, I'm afraid.

Oregonfire

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa probably won't use it, IMO. Why make waves when you don't have to? Especially now when she's plotting against Roddy and Chiara, but still appears to be on their side. Nope, lying low is the best bet, plus Lisa wants Josh gone too, I'm sure.

Car54

Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly. The POV gives power, but sometimes the power is to do nothing and let the HOH take the consequences of nomination/eviction. The only example they have of using the Veto is Gerry who was universally disliked for using what he won.