Who Would have Won B B 2, under B B 3 Sequestering Rules
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Hardywins

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 09:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Last year BB2 evictees were allowed to watch the remainder of the show after they left. Needless to say that information tilted their decision on who they would vote for. If the BB2 evictees WERE sequestered; not allowed to learn anything about the show after they were evicted; who would they have voted for to win the best player grand prize upon finding that only Nicole and Will remained to be voted upon. The evictees are not allowed to consult each other, nor discuss it among themselves or with anyone who has seen the show after they, personally, were evicted. Examine the leaving position, cause, beliefs, and feelings of each of the evictees At The Time they were evicted. Who would they have voted for and why and who would have won, Nicole or Will? You may also comment on how sequestering like this will affect this years contest too.

Ryanc2002

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 09:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thought you left us.

Hardywins

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 09:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Drug withdrawal depression, I guess. My IVs finally ended yesterday, and I got anxious! After reading the Amy threads yesterday, I just became too sad. Sorry if I caused anyone to be discouraged about the game this year! I needed a new perspective.

Spunky

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's ridiculous not let the evicted hgs know what's happening in the house. How could they judge who has played the game best?
I think it's a dumb rule to keep Lori secluded for three months. I'm surprised they agreed to that.

Ryanc2002

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 09:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We don't know that they're sequestering them for the entire run. We don't know very many details at all about the sequestering actually.

Kady

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 09:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can anyone remember who voted for whom last year?
I think maybe Will still would have won.

Curlyq

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 09:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree it's important to remember that we really don't know if the evictees are being kept from watching the feeds or shows and if it would be only for the purpose of the final vote, but to play Hardywins' What If game:

I think Will still would've won. He would've still had Krista and Mike's vote (since Krista was probably just trying to please Mike at the time). He would've still had Kent's vote since he felt betrayed by how Nicole and Hardy turned on him. He would've still had Sheryl's vote, because Sheryl would've figured out when she saw the 2 candidates that Nicole had not kept her word. He would've still had Monica's vote since it wasn't based on outside information but on what she herself experienced being in the house for so long. He only needed 4 votes (since they each got to void one), so he still could've won even if one of them had voted differently.

If you think about it, the players' opinions of their fellow HGs didn't change all that much after they were evicted and had outside contact. Most of them were in there long enough to have formed solid opinions on their own. Sequestering wouldn't have made that much of a difference IMO.

Deedee

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 09:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like the question that this thread is asking. IF BB2 hgs had been sequestered without seeing anything from the rest of the show after they left. This is how I think the vote would have went.

Sheryl - Nicole
Nicole was still playing nice when Sheryl left

Autumn - Nicole
Autumn believed Nicole
Shannon - Will
She would stick with her man.
Boogie - Will
He was loyal to Chilltown
Kent - Will
Kent had seen the writting on the wall before he left, he would have voted for Will out of revenge and shock value.
Krista - Will
Nicole was the HoH that caused her ouster
Bunky - Nicole
He was loyal to her all the way
Hardy - Nicole
He still considers her a friend.
Monica - Will
Nicole caused her and her best friend's eviction.

Will would have still won, only it would have been 5-4

Muse

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think the BB3 HGs will remain sequestered for the entire show's duration. But if for some reason they do, I think they'll be able to watch the show and/or feeds, and possibly discuss things with other HGs. I just don't see them being totally in the dark when they cast the final vote.

That being said, assuming that the BB2 HGs had been sequestered, and hadn't been able to discuss the game with each other, and hadn't gotten any access to feeds, discussion boards, or the show itself...I think the vote would've been similar to what Deedee posted. Except I would say that Bunky would've voted for Will, rather than Nicole. He was pretty angry with Nicole and Hardy when he left, and had bonded with Will during the last week or so (workouts together, helicopter ride, discussing a possible alliance, etc).

So Will still would have won pretty easily...just maybe without the vote from Sheryl.

Lancecrossfire

Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A bit Off topic for just a momment.

Ryan/Handywins--I'll try to put this in a reasonable fashion.

Stop baiting/sniping/jabbing between each other.

Inkydinkyspider

Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 07:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
At least this will Amy time to relax and be out of touch with the world...hopefully when she is finally released her Parents and town will have had time to forget about her mouth in the BB3 house (although personally I don't think she has anything to worry about) It is a shame though that she is that insecure that she is afraid to go home. I would be worried more if I had acted like Chiara!

Earthmother

Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Is it written somewhere that they can't watch the shows? We don't really know what they are being allowed to do. They may be able to talk to each other, if so they will have a lot of different information to share from their personal talks with the hgs still in the house. This would be interesting to see who can sway votes for others outside the house (kinda like a mini game within a game). Who knows!!!Unless we know what the sequestering rules are we can't begin to guess what the might see or hear, only that they can't go home.

Earthmother

Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
oops I was so off topic...lol should have added : Therefore there is no sure way we can guess who would have voted for who. Personally in last years game when I really think about it I think it would have probably been the same. The reason I say this is that Will had all of chilltown in his pocket and either Nicole or Hardy were the reason the rest got evicted and that was held that against them (as a pair) not so much what they saw on the tapes, because those tapes only confirmed what they already knew.

Elcopple

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 12:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A note about sequestering:

I don't think they know that they're going to be sequestered (if they are!) because Amy keeps talking about seeing her dog, and Roddy told Marcellas, "I am not lying to you because it would be stupid. Everyone would go home and watch the tapes and see that I am a liar and a cheat, and then even if I did get to the final two, they wouldn't vote for me because I wasn't honorable."

Neither one of those comments would have been made if they thought they were being sequestered. And, frankly, I don't see how they can sequester them for three months without informing them that is what will be happening if/when they are evicted.

Just my two cents! :c)

Ryanc2002

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Elcopple - We do know for a fact that they are at least temporarily sequestered after eviction.

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not nearly enough info.. we don't know how many will be sequestered, for how long, do they have interaction with other evictees, do they have live feeds, do they see the broadcasts on tv..
we know so far that they don't have open communication with their families.

So, who knows?

Earthmother

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sequestered yes, but together, separtly, with tapes, without tapes, those are not being answered. Being sequestered doesn't necessarily mean they are left in a hotel room with an armed guard at the door. They could all be put together somewhere for an indefinate length of time and really be getting to know each other.

C1mag

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can someone explain how the voting might be done this year. There will be an even amount of people voting in the end if they vote on just 2 finalists. What if there is a tie? Maybe American gets a vote in this thing? Maybe there will be a final 3 instead of a final 2? Just wondering...

Elcopple

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But you do see what I was trying to say, right?

They would have had to tell the HGs before they signed the contract that they would be sequestered if/when they were evicted (the details would almost have to be enumerated in the contract). The behavior of the HGs, though, insinuates that it is not exactly the strictest of circumstances, however. Roddy's comment would particularly lead me to believe that they do watch not only the videos, but also the rest of the shows -- and perhaps the live feeds, too.

Just wanted to clarify what I meant in my last post.

Earthmother

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they are told that bb owns them for x amount of time and the rules are subject to change. IMO the hgs are assuming what will happen when they are evicted based on the last two years.

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, last year they had an audience vote, which would have come into play in case of a tie, which would have only happened if Nicole and Will had eliminated the same person from voting, because of the DQ. If there had been, the audience vote was the decider.

C1mag

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok I get it Wilson. Thanks! :)

Hoon4vr

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe they are going to have two votes - one before they see the tapes and one after - and then let the audience decide which vote stands. That would be kind of cool.

Gentoo

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 03:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
These producers are not the smartest cookies in the box. There is no need for sequestering to avoid tainting of votes by watching the tapes. All you need to do is have each evicted houseguest answer who they would vote to win under each possible final two when they leave.

It would be a lot of work for the first out, but would be simpler and simpler for the later evictees.

And I think it makes sense for them to vote knowing only what they saw. Otherwise they can be swayed by public opinion, by opinion of each other, and by other factors outside the gamesmanship within the game.

It also gives the earlier events more weight. When you can watch the entire show, like last year, you'll base your vote more likely on the final events than the initial ones. Will did some nasty things at the begining of the game but nice things at the end. The nice was best remembered.