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Sheila494

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
one thing we all must agree on is that in our society there are things that are acceptable and things that are not.

Lovemarc

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why should he be offended? He should be flattered. Just like I am when a female flirts with me. Of course, double standards exist. I must give Roddy credit for this, even though I don't care for him.

Goddessatlaw

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, hell no - changing threads.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Right Sheila....and str8 men making sexual remarks and advances towards women is one of them. A gay man making an advance against a disinterested str8 man is no worse than a str8 man making an unwanted advance against a lesbian...or ANY woman, for that matter.

A gay person doing that is no more unacceptable than a str8 person doing it.

Lovemarc

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Its not like he's pressuring him for sex. Its just harmless flirting. He wouldn't be doing it if he knew Roddy would be offended by it.

Floresmama

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that Eric and Roddy treatment of Marc in the house have been a breathe of fresh air compared to Hardy homophobic paranoia of last year. It is much more fun to watch.

Of course I personally thought that Hardy was in major denial about his true self. The fact that he is still single now after all the national exposure doesn't do anything to change the opinion I formed last year either.

Sheila494

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
posters please do not be offended by my post..im only speaking of the way most of society feels..it i not necessarily the way that i feel..i feel that
people should be who they are..be proud of it and be happy..but unfortunatly most dont see it that way.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sheila...sorry if I sounded offended...maybe I just took your post the wrong way. I agree that some things are acceptable and some or not...but I don't think that Marcellas' flirting with the guys is any less acceptable than what Josh does to the girls (biting and slapping the girls' asses)...which is actually a LOT more unacceptable.

Maybe I misread your post because it was in the context of this thread, which is the "gay flirting" issue.

Oregonfire

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Goddessatlaw! That made me laugh out loud.

Lovemarc

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sheila - no offense taken.

Ms_Snoodle

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OOOHHHHH!!!! I MISS Bunky. I loved his sensitivity! I felt like we could be real friends.

Oregonfire

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 03:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can't get in to edit my post--what I meant is that the post made me laugh out loud for real. Oh, nevermind.

Tweepee

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 03:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"I have nothing against gay people. I just think they should keep their mouths shut and never, ever let anyone know they are gay! They don't offend me at all as long as they don't express themselves romantically. And don't blame me--society makes the rules. Personally, I love 'Will and Grace.'!"

Sense the sarcasm?

I don't think Roddy feels this way at all. He yakks on about "chicks" AND he basks in Marc's affection. He's an equal-opportunity narcissist.

Sanfranjoshfan, I totally dig what you are getting at. Unfortunately, in this forum, I think a debate on the finer points of gay activism might be playing with fire.

Wcv63

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There are all kinds of people with all kinds of personalities in all walks of life. I love Marc. I love his personality and I love his whole persona.

I worked in a field for many, many years where the majority of men I came in contact with on a daily basis were gay. Many were like Marc in personality and "flair" but many were not.

I loved some of them and some of them got on my nerves. Not because of their sexuality but because of their personality. Exactly like my experiences with heteros of either sex. Love some....leave some.

My very best friend from junior high through the first years of my marriage was a wonderful, adorable gay man. We were practically inseparable. I feel priviledged that I was able to call him "friend."

Mschumacher

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"I have nothing against gay people. I just think they should keep their mouths shut and never, ever let anyone know they are gay! They don't offend me at all as long as they don't express themselves romantically..."

Do you say the same thing about heterosexual people? Frankly, I get sick and tired of heterosexual men at work dragging out their family pictures and sprawling them across their desks, and telling me what they and THE WIFE (as opposed to MY WIFE) did over the weekend and "forcing" their heterosexual "lifestyle" on me.

I support Marcellas 100%.

Tweepee

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 03:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i guess you didn't sense my sarcasm, mschumacher.

i am with you completely.

to heck with what some of these posters blame on "society." Our same society stood by for 100 years as African Americans were segreated, too. At the time, everyone said, "Well, I'M not a racist, but society says that..." I have grown to think that "society" --if it even exists because everyone is busy blaming other people for the bigotry-- is usually wrong.

Roddy is of a generation that grew up with gay people. I bet he went to high school with some openly gay guys. I see no evidence that he is "offended" by Marcellas and when people say he probably is, but just hiding it, I fume.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 03:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tweepee - "Sanfranjoshfan, I totally dig what you are getting at. Unfortunately, in this forum, I think a debate on the finer points of gay activism might be playing with fire. "

Aha! But if cavemen never played with fire and learned about it, we'd still be eating raw meat! I look at it as a challenge. Last year, I actually got into it with Kent on this board and it finally ended with mutual respect. If I have opinions on this subject I usually just state them (whether I would call myself an "activist" or not...I dunno). If folks wanna get their panties in a bunch over it, then that's *their* problem. I guess I just look at it like this: If I sit back and hold my tongue, I am just losing an opportunity to present a different point of view to some people that never even considered that there WAS a different point of view.

Of course, I AM pretty opinionated and love a good debate about things that I consider important and that I have some knowledge and/or experience in.

Thanks for the warning, though! :-)

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"to heck with what some of these posters blame on "society.""

I agree...."society" is simply a collective group of people living together in a supposedly civilized way. WE are "society". If we blame "society" for our social ills, we are, ourselves, to blame.

Earthmother

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 04:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG I was just about to say the same thing Sanfranjoshfan. Isn't it funny how some blame society (which they are a member of)for their own bigotry. I agree that Marc is acting no differently than Josh who thinks he has the right to put his hand on someone else's butt, male or female. cuz if the gals got no problem, and Roddy got no problem, then their ain't no problem.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 04:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Is it permissable around here to find Marcellus a <> based on the things he has said or the sexually graphic descriptions he has given us? (I am really sick of people responding to this by saying....."He is no worse than the women in the house, like Lisa, Chiara etc"...).

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 04:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But he ISN'T any worse than the girls and their sex talk.

Tweepee

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 05:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<Tweepee throws up her hands in exhaustion.>

Spygirl

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 05:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It is alllllllllll about perspective people. You can say anything like "I believe Marsellas is worse than the others for his sex talk" and there is nothing anyone can say to prove you wrong! If you say someone "Marsellas IS worse than the others for his sex talk", then you set yourself up to be debated. In my opinion, that is how flame wars and unnecessary debates get started.


No one can argue with an opinion (at least not in an attempt to prove it wrong). It is when people continually state OPINIONS as FACTS (*cough* recent post above :)) and then proceed to debate and sometimes attack anyone else who doesn't share that same OPINION that I take issue.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 05:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But he is a <>, and Lisa and Chiara and others are not in this discussion of Marcellus.

Lovemarc

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 05:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecke®...just come out and say it. You keep ripping on Marc, but keep on skirting around the issue. It seems that you think of him as a disgusting pervert because the "sex talk" is "gay sex talk." He isn't worse than anyone else.