Archive through July 30, 2002
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Archive through July 30, 2002
Trulyscrumtious | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 01:49 am     Now he's sitting up in bed, with Chiara laying across the foot (of the bed), and he's rubbing her feet (and sometimes going slightly up her calf).
I just don't get it. What's the deal with him? |
Goddessatlaw | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 04:46 am     What exactly were they saying to Jason? I couldn't glean much from the trascript except the girls were talking about corning their cobs again. |
Missy2 | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 05:14 am     I missed it and I can't find it in the live feeds I've noticed how uncomfortable the sex talk makes him feel and it annoys me! Its harassment. If someone is uncomfortable why make them more uncomfortable! Chi has been the biggest offender, I wonder if she thinks that she is flirting or cute? |
Flyonthwall | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 06:27 am     Truly, if you were watching closely, he was trying to keep her foot out of his croth! She lays across the bed with her butt towards him then her feet in his lap. He told her it looked bad, left a bad impression for a girl to be in a boys bed. No matter how many blankets etc there were. he didn't want his mom to see that either. Then he said if your a politician and you come out of a place with a prostitute on your arm, it leaves ..but she never let him finish. She claimed he was calling her a prostitute. She acted really angry and walked out of the room, to which he said He didn't mean it, wasn't calling her one, just saying it looked bad for his mom to see him in bed with someone and left the wrong impression to others who would see it. (I took it also as concern for how it made her look too, since she was already in bed with someone else in the house!!!) After she shut the door he said to Mar and Dani that he didnt' mean that and he was so sorry. He was tired and just wanted to go to bed. He didn't want ppl pushing bowls of ice cream at him trying to get him to eat it, sometimes you just want to go to bed!!! (he was trying so hard to gracefully get out of it, but they all kept pushing asking if he was mad and this and that.) Then after several times of that he said "OH what ever what, do I care What she thinks!"(Very anrgy tone of voice!) Dani was quite concerned that he was so upset. Suddenly the door opens and Ch says "I was just kidding" And quickly Jason appologizes to her about the whole thing. Everyone is again Fine! Dani saying that was good she didn't like to see Jason upset! (UGHHHH!!!0 EARLIER what started the whole thing: They were all sitting in the LR playing a card game. THe only ones not in the room were Gerry and Josh, playing chess in HOH. Lisa asleep in her room, not feeling well. and Roddy, i believe he was back and forth from the LR to HOH watching chess then playing Josh in a round....I think...didn't have that feed on. I was in the LR. CAms stayed on Jason and the group, really watching his face. Then flashing at Dani, Ch and the others. Especially Chi, she was sitting directly across form Jason on the couches, facing him. (this is all written as I recall it happening last night. I may be wrong on the exact wording in a few places but I am dead on in the interpretation and tonation of the events and I'll stand by what I post here) Goddess: I will not transcribe all the smut and I'm sure others didn't want to either. it was just to offending to put it all down, plus it was demeaning to Jason, and I think most folks like him. There was no call for the talk "TOWARD" him. Some was in general but most was directed to embarras him and he knew it. He asked them to stop talking about the corn cob talk etc please please...very low almost whipering it. Let's play cards. Dani and Ch were going over and over it very graphicly and gyrating over it. Mar defended him for a bit then broke and started doing some image playing of his sexual tryst. Jason laughed a bit a first really pulling his hat over his eyes and trying to hide behind his cards in his hand. they keep on and on and on. Jason kept his cool until.... Chira said the comment about: "you'd rather be in your church where there is no sex, and I'd rather have a d(*k in my mouth!" OR something like that. That is when Jason really seemed to get angry. (me too) It was the tone, the look on her face and the really degrading condesending attitude she used toward him at that moment.(it was like shove this down your throat, no pun intended, because that was the way she implied it) He asked them to play cards and let it go. It went on. At one point I heard part...he asked Dani something about respect, he didnt' ASK about her and her husbands sex basically, he respected her. DAni says, so we should show you respect too. Jason said exactly. They all kind of backed off at that point and Jason keep saying he was going to bed after that hand. when they finished the round of cards, the crowd split up some and he went to the bedroom, to which Ch soon followed and the screen shot above was taken as she laid in his bed trying to get more out of him. She just didn't let it go. He said he was just tired and would like to go to sleep. But she kept talking to him.that was when the "impression" talk happened she got mad or acted like she did and he appologized to her. Then he went right on in to other conversation trying to act like he was fine and everything changed tones due to his changing the talk topic. Missy2....exactly what you said! And yes I think she does, but she needs to learn to let it go and respect others feelings as much as she is defensive of her own emotions. If someone picks on her she flips out! NOTE: they were given wine at dinner, but only a glass each, they all split it up, thankds to Dani who gave each person their own glass. There was beer also but I do not know who all had some, but I believe Ch had one along with the wine at dinner. Amy laughed at this whole sceen and had a wine and beer, but she didn't have a lot of imput to the conversation other than laughing. Josh did come out of the room and say something about them picking on his boy....? Gerry made the comment when he came out of HOH that he wanted to come see what the hot topic was, and Dani said NO you don't! Roddy: can't recall him saying anything. Eric said some things about them talking about the smut but was basically just teasing them back about going on and on, but he enjoyed the thought that went with it. AS FAR AS I REMEMBER....don't kill me for getting it right per exact statement please! (Off line for most the day but will check back later) FLy |
Costacat | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 06:42 am     Some of what goes on in the house, towards Jason, smacks of sexual harrassment. BUT, it's also Jason's fault for not putting a stop to it. Or at least saying "stop, I'm not comfortable with this." I think Jason really needs to let them know, in clear plain English, that he doesn't appreciate the smut talk. Particularly when it's at his expense (Chiara is culprit #1 here). I've lost a bit of respect for Jason because of his lack of backbone. I respect his Christianity (although I don't agree with it). I respect the fact that he's a virgin. Why can't the other HGs do the same? |
Crossfire | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 06:51 am     *ouch* That is unfortunate. Sounds like he handled himself well, I think he will do just fine. The only risk is that they turn on him, and so far, that does not yet seem to be happening. I think he has demonstrated a lot of personal inner strength, and that should do him well even if he out of frustration and wear might pick the wrong words. You really have to be careful swinging the P word around, but I can see how he got to that point, and it did manage to get himself out of the mess. Good for him. |
Sadlady12 | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 06:59 am     That is absolutely horrilbe to treat Jason like that. He has been nothing but nice to these obnoxious people. I'm so glad I missed that conversation, I would have been really upset by it too. You know I was really hoping that Jason might have a chance to win this and after last year it would have been "fitting", but I don't know if he'll even have a chance with these people. I feel really bad for Jason, I mean it had to be uncomfortable for him anyway, without all the teasing, but he has had to put up with all kinds of crudeness in one way or another. I hope and pray that he will have the strength and the will power to do what it takes to win this game. Also, I tried to post this in the short Q&A thread but it wouldn't let me so I guess I'll put it here since it's about Jason anyway. Someone had asked what church Jason went to or what religion he was or something to that effect. At the beginning of the show, there was a clip of him in front of a church. I think it was an Assembly of God church. I don't know if this was his church but to me it would stand to reason that it would be. Anyway, hope this helps!! |
Missy2 | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:04 am     Jason wants the $500k and I think he says nothing to just lay low. I hope he wins, he deserves it for putting up with such obnoxious people. It is DEFINITELY sexual harassment the way Chi talks to him. She is very crude, I wonder how she will feel about herself when she see's it on tape. I'm happy Jason kept as cool as he could. |
Earthmother | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:09 am     He has asked them to stop and I'm sorry but these are supposed (hmmm) to be adults and they know when they are making someone uncomfortable. What should he do yell at them that they are being disrespectful (visions of Lori)so they can call him a nut case. As an 8th grade teacher I constantly hear "We were just joking." BS because a joke brings on a response of laughter and no one walks away hurt. Though they are all at fault I'm most ashamed of Dani and Chiara because they both know how much he likes them. Shame on these people. I cannot believe anyone has less class than most of the people in last years show but this group behaves just plain trashy. I don't want them to get a dime. As a matter of fact I wish they didn't even get the stipend. |
Missy2 | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:16 am     I agree Earthmother. Ugh! You know I thought that Dani was better than that! Chiara has proven time and again that she is a trash mouth. She says its for shock value but it just show her lack of intelligence, lack consideration for others, and immaturity. |
Twiggyish | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:26 am     Since when is it ok to disrespect someone's religious beliefs? I expect this from Chiara..but Danielle is another matter. |
Earthmother | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:31 am     As for the prostitute story he was trying to tell her before she once again (became a victim) stomped off was not that he was calling her one. I remember a long time ago hearing a story like that from my mom and it went along the lines of "If a politician was in a restrauant and a prostitute came up to him and asked him a question about taxes and they had a conversation that carried on as they walked out the door you can bet the headlines in the paper the next morning would read: MAYOR HAVING ILLICIT SEX WITH PROSTITUTE. Meaning that when you are in the public eye perception is what people believe not necessarily what is real. If you behave that way and I associate with it (irregardless of how innocent it is) then I am seen in an unsavory light. He doesn't want his mom to see him in this light and he tried to tell her that. He has said to her many times "don't say that people will get the wrong impression of you." Just because she doesn't care how she is perceiced doesn't mean everyone feels the same way. Maybe Dani wouldn't care if one of her daughters were in a room of people talking this way, but me seems to think she would. |
Goddessatlaw | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:39 am     So if the relationship between Jason and Chiara were to be likened to that of a Biblical couple, which would it be? Jezebel and Ahab? Samson and Delilah? David and Bathsheba? Any opinions? I'm Catholic, so I don't get to have an opinion on the Bible (I only know what I'm told ). |
Trulyscrumtious | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:43 am     Wow, ya see...I only was able to get on-line after the whole 'Let's See How Much We Can Embarrass Jason' debaucle occured and saw them in bed together like that. For the life of me, I could not figure out what the hell was going on with him. I knew from what people had said that it got pretty bad for him at some point, so I rushed to log on and saw him massaging her foot/calf. I was about ready to throw the monitor through the flippin' window man, lol. It was like, 'Noooooo, they've corrupted by poor BABY!!!' Thank You so much for your GREAT post Fly, I can tell you spent a lot of time on it and it does not go unappreciated, believe me.  |
Damfino | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:44 am     Goddess: Joseph and Potiphar's wife. :-) |
Goddessatlaw | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:45 am     I only know that one from the musical, but LOL. |
Goddessatlaw | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:49 am     Damfino - I'm still laughing, and now I'm going to have to go look it up. Then I'm going to have to confession, repent, apologize and promise to never do it again. Thanks alot - got me in dutch with the padre. |
Damfino | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:55 am     Maybe if you do a few "Hail Mary"s ahead of time, the padre will go light on you. I just pulled out my Bible and read Genesis 39:1-20, substituting "Jason" for "Joseph", "Chiara" for the wife, and "Roddy" for "Potiphar"... it's happening right before our eyes! |
Goddessatlaw | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:01 am     ROFTLMAO!!!!!!! 39:13-18 - PRICELESS!! |
Wyndie | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:04 am     <Joseph and Potiphar's wife> EXACTLY!!!! |
Loriwillwin | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:09 am     I think we're forgetting that Jason is very young, very inexperienced (in more ways than one), presumably inexperienced about people no matter how many reality shows he watches, and in some ways quite smitten with Chiara. He keeps repeating that he's never met anyone like her before. The big bad Mama from New York (he thinks!). I'm sure he doesn't meet people like her in his daily life. Nothing is more upsetting than being hounded and taken advantage of by someone you trust - and love. I'll bet Jason even fantasizes about her: fantasies that include churches, wedding bells, satin dresses, lilies of the valley, a white-frosted cake, etc. Imagine having a G-rated fantasy about Chiara, and then hearing her make that church remark! When people can't understand why he doesn't stand up to her, it's because he has a crush on her! GMHO. |
Damfino | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:14 am     Some excerpts, for those of you without a Bible handy: "Joseph found favor in his [Potiphar's] eyes and became his attendant. "... with Joseph in charge, he [Potiphar] did not concern himself with anything except the food he ate. "Now Joseph was well-built and handsome, and after a while his master's wife took notice of Joseph and said, 'Come to bed with me!' But he refused. "And though she spoke to Joseph day after day, he refused to go to bed with her or even be with her. "One day he went into the house to attend to his duties, and none of the household servants was inside. She caught him by his cloak and said, 'Come to bed with me!' But he left his cloak in her hand and ran out of the house. "When she saw that he had left his cloak in her hand and had run out of the house, she called her household servants. 'Look,' she said to them, 'this Hebrew has been brought to us to make sport of us! He came in here to sleep with me, but I screamed. When he heard me scream for help, he left his cloak beside me and ran out of the house.' "She kept his cloak beside her until his master came home. Then she told him this story: 'That Hebrew slave you brought us came to me to make sport of me. But as soon as I screamed for help, he left his cloak beside me and ran out of the house. "When his master heard the story his wife told him, saying, 'This is how your slave treated me,' he burned with anger. Joseph's master took him and put him in prison." |
Alaginger | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:14 am     If Jason does have a crush (of sorts) on Chiara it is because he is a young male and she is really cute and pays him a lot of attention. But I have no doubts, with the way he was raised and with his firm beliefs, once the show is over the crush will be long gone (if it really exists). |
Loriwillwin | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:24 am     Agreed, Alaginger, but the alleged infatuation is key to explaining his behavior while he's still in the House. If there were no affection for Chiara on Jason's part, I feel sure he'd act differently towards her. She may even be proving a temptation to him, not in tempting him to cross any line, but in tempting him to question his own beliefs and upbringing. I certainly hope his Bible (particularly the story of Adam and Eve) keeps him strong and reminds him about what's really going on here. |
Guiltyviewer | Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:46 am     Fly, thanks for the details of the incident...sure paints a different picture for me about what our young Jason's motives were! I really believe that he was simply trying to find an acceptable way to interact with Chiara so that she would not 'lose face' nor would he compromise his own firm beliefs about what is appropriate and what isn't....that's why he was holding her feet (massaging them)...he chose to take the high road instead of openly condemning her for her behavior. He even tried to explain to her how it would look bad for them, easily misunderstood, etc...but she lost her temper and left before hearing him out. Eventually, he got the chance to finish that thought, even apologizing when he didn't really do anything wrong...peacemaker, but no doormat. Still the gentleman, trying to encourage her to choose to be a 'lady'...better late than never!? Seems he does try to find the most favorable light to see his roommates in...putting a positive spin on their various quirks and personalities, not getting overly reactionary to any things they say or do, regardless of how rude, raunchy, or disrespectful it is. Gotta commend the guy...he's showing maturity beyond his years. okay, take it easy on me now...I'll step down off my soapbox now and duck! (Fly, hope you're doing well now...been following your situation since BB2...special lady to be sure!!) |
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