Archive through July 28, 2002
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Archive through July 28, 2002
Lovemarc | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:11 pm     "But we homosexuals must respect the dominant culture." I completely disagree. One should never accept being treated like a second class citizen. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:25 pm     Oh geesh. I can say with no reservation nor qualification that Marc's sexual comments are NOT any worse than any of the other sexual comments being made in that house. There has been excruciatingly detailed discussions on extraordinarily intimate topics from both the girls and Marc. How is Marc describing an intimate sexual GAY act any different from a Lisa/Chiara and Dani discussing an intimate sexual straight act? It's not. It's all a matter of being comfortable with the subject matter. If you don't want to hear about oral sex turn down the sound. If you don't want to hear about gay sex turn down the sound. It's not any different. The only difference is the players (and the genders of the players) involved. Do you really think that the majority of the women out here believe that Chiara/Lisa/Tonya genuinely represent the feminine sensibility? Heck no! It only becomes an issue when people start to stereotype. I realize that my opinion was stated as fact and that is because my opinion was based on facts. |
Lovemarc | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:30 pm     Wcv63, you are 100% correct. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:44 pm     Wcv63 - Yep I agree. Marcellas is just "representing" Marcellas....not ALL gayfolk. It's just that some individual people watching the show will invariably project the personality of Marcellas onto all gayfolk. I think it's sorta like the difference between "imply" and "infer"...if a viewer *infers* something about an entire group of people from a particular HG's action or statement, that is just that viewer's perception (although not necessarily the truth of the situation). However, if a particular HG *implies* that he is typical of a group of people (which may not be the truth of the situation) he is misrepresenting himself as something that he is not. I think sometimes the core point in some of these kinds of discussions can be reduced to matter of semantics. Don't forget...JMO! :-) |
Maris | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:50 pm     I dont know what Marcellas represents all I know is that he is funny as all get out. I prefer to listen to Marcellas for hours describing any of his exploits be it sexual or work related versus listening to Chiara, Roddy, or anyone else in that house. He is flamboyant but I put it down to the nature of his business and I love it. He is wonderfully loyal and you could never ask for a better friend IMHO. With Amy going this week, all I hope is that Marcellas wins this game. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:54 pm     SanFran: "It's just that some individual people watching the show will invariably project the personality of Marcellas onto all gayfolk." Marcellas can not be held responsible for some people's ignorance. IMO :-) Gee, Maybe I should make a signature tag for that! |
Earthmother | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:08 pm     Very cute Therlin..are you one the right or left? |
Woodpecke® | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:09 pm     I do not care if Marcellus is gay or straight, I do not try to compare him to the other people in the house. I merely stated that I find him disgusting, and I am not at all homophobic (Very cheap shot San Fran). The behavior of most in this game with regards to discussing their personal thoughts on sex shows no couth or class. INCLUDING THE WOMEN. I am surprised with the "Everyone is disgusting so leave Marcellus alone" theory. As I type this, I just noticed he shared with all his internet friends that he has been picked up by men in bars so many times he has lost track of the number. My case has been made. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:14 pm     Wcv63 - "Marcellas can not be held responsible for some people's ignorance." That is not what I meant at all! My statement that some VIEWERS will project his personality on all gayfolk makes those VIEWERS responsible for inferring that, NOT Marcella's responsiblity for *implying* that, (because I don't beleive he implied that at all). I guess what I mean is that Marcellas should do whatever he wants....but I think that he was picked for his flamboyance and I think that CBS should stop and realize that some viewers will do exactly that....see him as representational of the entire gay community, even though that is NOT his objective. Oh yeah....JMO! :-) |
Llkoolaid | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:18 pm     Marcellas is just being Marcellas. Why do we have to think of Marcellas as a funny, intelligent, gay man? Why can't he just be a funny, intelligent man? We don't think of Roddy as a funny, intelligent, str8 man. Roddie's sexual orientation is not part of how we describe him so why is Macellas's? I don't know if anyone will get what I am trying to say here but it just annoys me that Marcellas is seen first as gay and then as a person. Does this make any sense to anyone else? P.S. When I use the word we, I mean most of us, not all of us. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:22 pm     "My case has been made." Nice closing arguments, but if I was a juror, I wouldn't buy your case that Marcellas is a "pervert" because he said something personal and graphic when asked to by the other HGs. I don't think my comment was a cheap shot....singling Marce out and calling him a "pervert" sounds like a homophobic remark to me. Sorry....but it does. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:23 pm     Llkoolaid, certainly I see what you're saying but the fact is that sex and sex talk has permeated this show. In addition, Roddy's and Eric's sexual orientations are part of the show in that they are active in their pursuits in the house. Sanfran: Sorry I didn't mean to imply (or infer) that I thought you were making that inference and/or implication. Therlin: I did go back and look at your pic and you look like a very happy couple. Salud! IMO :-) |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:24 pm     Llkoolaid - I agree....although Marcellas himself often describes his place in the house as "the gay man". Of course, he also separates himself as "the black man". |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:26 pm     oh yeah....nice pic Therlin! Was that gay night at Disneyland? |
Woodpecke® | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:27 pm     I am singling out Marcellus because that is who we are discussing. And you have no right calling me homophobic. I speak directly and you choose not to listen. Name calling is your specialty today. By the way, Marcellus offers up information without being asked by others. He just blurts it out to get attention. Sorry...you did give me a "cheap shot". |
Yellek | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:30 pm     Woodpecker, I'm just curious, do you find Chiara disgusting as well? |
Woodpecke® | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:33 pm     Yes,Yellek. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:34 pm     I didn't call you a name Woodpeck, I said that (to me) that name you called Marcellas sounded homophobic. I don't know you. For all I know you are gay or all your friends are gay....but when you referred to Marce as a disgusting "pervert" and in a previous thread made comments about his description of "male on male" sex as being disgusting, it truly comes across like it's the male/male part that disgusts you so much. (btw, the act Marcellas was referring to is often practiced by both gay and str8 couples) I don't mean to call YOU homophobic, but those statements you made sounded very anti-gay to me. JMO |
Sisalou | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:41 pm     Actually, I have heard several hg's ask Marc lots of questions about "gay" sex. I think it was yesterday that Chiara asked Marc if he performed a certain sexual act and Marc laughed and said he had already discussed this before. Lisa asked him some questions also so he answered. He didn't just blurt it out, they were asking because I assume they were curious. |
Woodpecke® | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:46 pm     As usual, you tell only part of the story. I referred to more than that, as his description went beyond just a summary of sex and included a detailed blow by blow account of <edited> on his .......(you read it). <edited> He happens to be gay, and that has nothing to do with my distaste for him. 007 |
Llkoolaid | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:48 pm     Hey, sh#t happens. Sorry, just had to add that. lol |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:49 pm     Llkoolaid - ROTFLMAO!!! |
Woodpecke® | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:53 pm     Good one Llkoolaid, I just don't need to know about it. |
Tisha90029 | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:55 pm     I'm just happy a guy as cute and funny as Marc is getting some....even if he does seem to be up sh#t's creek because of it. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:56 pm     This is going downhill fast.... |
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