Archive through July 28, 2002
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Archive through July 28, 2002
Inkydinkyspider | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:56 am     Why is it that no one including Marce ever talks about the love, understanding, and respect in a gay relationship but only about the sexual component....I am truly disappointed that Marc has stooped so low.."scratch and sniff" should be reserved for perfume ads in magazines not put in the text of foreplay in a homosexual relationship..is nothing sacred? (p.s. although I am not gay I believe that those who are deserve respect especially from one of their own!) |
Sheila494 | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:59 am     ewwww..scratch n sniff |
Therlin | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:18 am     Thank you Inky. I'm always very dissapointed by the gay people they choose for most reality shows. But then, normally people are chosen for reality shows because they are NOT normal. Most of us are in a loving monogamous relationship, just like a heterosexual relationship. |
Bohawkins | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:23 am     Bunky talked many times about his long relationship with his friend. Bunky was quite dignified and avoided sexual references, although others tried to bait him into such discussions. |
Inkydinkyspider | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:25 am     Bunky had class! |
Lovemarc | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:26 am     Marc doesn't represent all gay men anymore than Bunky did last year. He only represents himself. Do Chiara, Lisa and Tonya represent all hetero females with their sex talk? |
Therlin | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:28 am     Of course Bunky was an emotional mess, crying at the drop of a hat. But then that house could do that to anyone. I remember emailing ASP and thanking them for showing Bunky and his husband as any other loving couple. They emailed me back almost right away telling me how strongly Arnold and the rest of the staff feel about gay equality. They are very good people, even if we don't always agree with their creative choices. |
Spygirl | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:30 am     "Do Chiara, Lisa and Tonya represent all hetero females with their sex talk? " SSSSSSPPPPPPPPPAAAAAAIIIIIINNNNNN NO! hehe |
Yuhuru | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:33 am     I think marc, chiara, lisa and tonya have one thing on common. They've got a lot of people cringing at how "open and comfortable" (translation: crude, crass, and too much information) they are with their sexuality. Especially prudes like me. |
Inkydinkyspider | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:47 am     Lovemarc....as a man and as a human I would hope that you would be as discussed with the whole (no pun intended) conversation that Marc contributes to...I do not enjoy what the ladies talk about either however I believe that gays have enough difficulties without one of their own expanding on the one area that seems to be titillating to these immature houseguests |
Earthmother | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:54 am     My oldest son is gay and his perception of these people is that Bunky was too emotional and Marcellus is way tooooooo fem, they are not the norm. He actually says that Richard Hatch was in his opinion closest to what he is used to in his inner circle. There are gay men at my house all the time and only twice have I met someone that behaved like Marcellus. Only once have a met a girl like Chiara (who was dating my younger son)she acted like a sailor on shore leave. I cried like a baby when he dumped her (tears of joy. How they behave is of course not indicative as to who they are in the situation of bb, but first impressions do mean a lot to me. |
Lovemarc | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 10:03 am     Inky...I'm not bothered by any of the sex talk. I've certainly heard much worse. I'm gay, but I don't concern myself with how he represents us. I'd rather have him in the house than Bunky...all the crying. Marc stands up for himself. |
Earthmother | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 10:15 am     I'm not bothered by the sex talk either, but then they are not my kids. If they were I'd march down there and kick their butts. My son doesn't care how they represent gays either, he's only concerned with how he represents himself. He actually found Bunky and Mar quite entertaining and thought Richard was a jerk. |
Foodbunny | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 10:15 am     Marcellas has talked many times of his deep love for the guy who left him and how he came on TV specifically to try to get him back. They even aired some of it on the TV show. It's certainly not all sex for him. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:03 pm     I think that they picked both Bunky and Marcellas for the entertainment value....both are emotional out and proud and bigger than life....which makes for entertaining television. Unfortunately, even though they only represent themselves and not the entire gay community, a lot of people will not understand that. Similarly, the women that sit around and talk about sex all the time do not represent all women in general. Of course the viewers will understand that. They all know plenty of women... their wives, mothers, sisters, and friends....so they understand that the women in the show are not indicative of the behavior of women in general. The thing is...a lot of the viewers do not have a lot of gay friends, or if they do, they may not realize it because they are still closeted....so when they see a flamboyant gay man on BB, they have no larger frame of reference to view him in context, like they do with the women. I've met straight people that had claimed they don't know any gay people at all....but the chances are, they do...they are just closeted and hence are not identified as such. Those people may only have an obviously effeminant gay man as a recognizable stereotype in their minds as their entire point of reference. Example: A person who says gay people are effeminant because all the ones of they know ARE that way...and they cite examples of an effeminant hairdresser and waiter that they know are gay. They may think most gay people are similar, but they may also have a mechanic, gardener, cousin, or teacher that is gay....but not realize it because they are not "out". That drastically limits their point of reference for what gay people are like in general. I like Marcellas just fine and I know he does not represent most of us. I also know that many straight people who think that they don't know any gayfolk may not realize that. That's why I always say "Come out, come out, wherever you are!" I also am saying "Go, Marcellas!" (nelly or not, I still like him!) :-) (JMO) |
Sheila494 | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:54 pm     i wish that marcellas would not go on and on about his attraction to roddy..i just dont think it comes across very well..and im sure that roddy really does not approve of him touching an playing around with him either. |
Lovemarc | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:58 pm     I don't know why Roddy would mind the attention. I'm sure Marc hasn't done anything to offend him. All it says is that Marc has poor taste in men. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:00 pm     Yeah....that's the kind of behavior that gives us all a bad rap. Personally, I don't find str8 men attractive....what's attractive about someone that finds you sexually UNattractive? |
Bastable | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:01 pm     "im sure that roddy really does not approve of him touching and playing around with him." Sheila, you are sure of no such thing. You are putting words in his mouth. I suspect you are telling us what YOU approve of, though. If you need proof, watch the feeds a little more. I think you must have missed all the times Roddy flirted back with Marcellas, and the times he even admitted (laughing) to flirting back. I don't think Roddy has a problem at all with Marcellas being attracted to him. Roddy is quite secure in who he is. In fact, I think it tickles him. And I'm sure he'll use it to help himself make it to the finals. |
Sheila494 | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:02 pm     a straight man..assuming roddy is.. may be offended. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:06 pm     That's also why they don't want gays in the military....there is a perception that the gay recruits would be all over the str8 ones, and that perception would make the str8 ones uncomfortable and hurt "unit cohesion". I really don't like seeing that stereotype being portrayed....I just hope that people won't see that as "typical" gay behavior.....although I'm sure that many will. |
Goddessatlaw | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:06 pm     Someone please slap me, but I'm going to compliment Roddy here - he has taken a completely non-homophobic attitude toward Marc, and has joked around with him about just going to the HOH and getting it over with. He treats it the same as attention from a woman - as a compliment (I was going to say flattery, but that would start a whole 'nother conversation). Now I'm going to wash my mouth out with soap, go have a drink and try to forget that this post ever happened. |
Sisalou | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:08 pm     Just have to add my 2 cents. I have seen Roddy teasing Marc and flirting with him. I think they are just goofing off. This morning Roddy was hugging Marc and said "come on lets go. Marc said no way , I don't want Chiara after me. (paraphrasing ) It was pretty funny. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:12 pm     Let me clarify....I don't think that Marcellas is actually offending Roddy. I have seen Roddy flirt back. I just don't like it when I see the tv broadcast showing Marcellas go on and on about "liking" Roddy and/or Jason in that way....that just supports the misconception that ALL gay men are like that, especially to viewers that don't actually have any gay friends to show them otherwise. |
Sheila494 | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:12 pm     bastable..i have no problem with ones sexuality..i just dont think it is appropriate for marcellas to do a lot of the things he is doing..if i offended you i apologize..it is only my opinion..it is not written in stone..you do not have to agree. |
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