What do you guys think of Lisa going to Gerry &telling how evil Josh really is??
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Gouraphik

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I for one, am NOT underestimating the couples. That's why I advocate their demise so heavily. One of the loverboys should go this week...nuff said.

Katrina

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bbadict, in addition to the veto/replacement nomination thing, if Lisa and Eric remain the nominees and there is a tie vote for eviction, then Gerry will vote as the HOH tie-breaker. So he would have some additional power if that happened.

Bmh

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ya with the talk Lisa and Gerry had..it makes me at least feel like if by some crazy chance it is a tie..Gerry will save Lisa and boot Eric..but I am 99% sure..the vote is going to be 4(D/J/C/M)-2(J/R)..with Eric gettin evicted..Im so excited a girl isn't leaving this week! yay!! :):):)

Seamonkey

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just reading about their convo was amusing..

(i still think she had nothing to lose and it could tip the scale her way if he has to be a tiebreaker, since Eric is likely to be hostile this week)

But of course.. LISA had the first chance to put Josh on the block.. Gerry went way out on a limb to use the veto and asked her to put Josh up and instead she put Amy up with Lori.

Then Marcellas nominated Josh and made it clear he wanted Josh to go.. now Lisa did vote against Josh so she can't be faulted there..

Roddy didn't put Josh up.. that isn't Lisa's call.. the four really aren't a tight bloc. BUT.. Eric won veto and didn't use it.. still, Roddy wouldn't have put Josh up. So, again, not totally on Lisa.

So the big thing Lisa blew was that first chance to put Josh in after the veto.

I sure hope ERic is outta here. If the veto is used I still don't think Gerry would put Josh up.

(I'm more upset at Roddy.. telling Kiki that he protected her, a blatant lie, and his sudden support of Gerry, what a CROCK)

Delilah

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer, I know you and I don't agree on much on this board and again we do not agree on this. I was a huge Will fan and he won fair and square. Heck even Josh would win against Nicole. No way no how can Josh win this game, if he is there at the end, he will have been a pawn and for that he will walk off with $50K.

Roamjotiba

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they all lose focus of this is just a game, and need to quit running around like giddy school kids with their crushes

Keiffer

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Deliha, based on our debates before it is interesting to me that you say you were a huge Will fan. Are you telling me the first 2-4 weeks when the full board was bashing CT in paticular Will that you liked him? That seems to be contrary to who you usually root for.

That being said I would say why did miss co-sign that make a deal with Will on the bed to put up Nicole and Hardy for nommination? It was because she thought she would get to be in the finals with WIll and that would give her the money. WHy did Nicole pick Will to go into the finals? Because they both thought that excpet for Shannon and Mike that the rest would vote for them over Will. Why? Because they assumed like you do that because people hated him while in the house that they would hate him after being kicked out. INstead they thought he must have played the best to be hated yet get there.

I may not agree with Marcellas 100% of the time, but he was right when he said he didn't want Josh to be this years Will, and that was why he put him up

Zeyna

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am baffled that Lisa basically came to Gerry with "why don't you like me more than Josh" approach. It always amuses me how they confuse the personal issues with the strategic plan.

Delilah

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Funny Keiffer because I am a huge Roddy fan and most people bash him and I can deal with that. Yes I was a Will fan from Day 1 just as I have been a Roddy fan from day 1.

I understand what you are saying regarding Will but you have to remember, those of us with feeds and access to the show (ie: the evicted HGs and the rest of us folks) did not see Will the way Nicole and Monica did. Also I think Monica liked Will at the end (well he was the lesser of two evils anyway) When Will won the chance to chat online with "fans" that should have clued Nicole in but of course she was so full of herself and so full of hate for him, she didn't realize that. Even in his closing speech to the evicted HGs which was a pretty nasty speech, they had to pick him because they admired him and what he did was play the game, while Nicole sat around and b*tched and moaned and tortured Will.

Again, this is not about BB2, but I will defend myself if need be and although I do not want to argue with you or anyone, please do not assume something about me that you have no idea about. Thanks

Keiffer

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Delilah... from what I remember about last year while I was defending CT against what seemed like a mountain of resentment and I didn't seem to have much help. SOrry to make assumptions, I should have known you were a Roddy fan. I will look forward to having you on my side defending Roddy in future threads.


BTW, I did not mean to offend

Whit4you

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see anything wrong with being a Roddy fan - I'm not one.. but I think he's playing this game to win 500 g's ..and I see nothing WRONG with him doing so ..it's a game show and he's playing a good game..even if I personally don't like his strategy and tactics and hope he don't win (at least at this point)

Mygetaway

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh wants exposure more than $500,000. I think he'd be happy with 2nd place.

Gerry should have offered to sub Josh for Eric, if the Lisa and Chiara voted his way in the next eviction. Then after that eviction everybodys on their own again. Make the alliances more even.

Wendo

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know what I've realized? I really have no idea who or what to believe. Sometimes I think I know which conversations are real, then, I think no. It's so hard to tell.

As to Lisa's talk with Gerry, I think that had she taken the time to talk with Gerry before she was nominated it would have carried a bit more weight. Honestly, to me, it sounded a lot like whining. "Why am I up and not Josh??? Whaaaaaaaaaaaa???"

However, I do hope it's Eric that gets the boot and, based on Dan's talk with Gerry just now, it seems as though Ger is more willing to go with the girls than the guys. But, then again, I can't tell what's up!

Sometimes this game just drives me CRAZY! LOL!

Delilah

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer, no problem at all You and I are different and I like that. I tend to lean more towards the silly humourous approach (well sometimes anyway....) and I avoid direct confrontations. You see I do not expect people to agree with me and I come here to have fun not have an argument with anyone.

And on that note, I am off to bed.... Nite all!

Zeyna

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This game seriously questions my outlook of people in general. Are people really this fake in real life?? I know it's a game, but watching EVERYONE act completely different depending on who they are talking to is really dissapointing.

Cinder

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If nominations stay the same there should not be a tie. Votes to evict Eric- Marci, Dani, Chiara, and Jason. To evict Lisa- Roddy maybe Josh.

Jadeygurl39

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope Eric goes before Lisa. I truly believe Lisa is thinking of "her and Eric". I believe Eric is thinking about Eric....gag...

Bmh

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Cinder unless something crazy happens..that is exactly how the vote is gonna go down

Snee

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i think they'd all better watch out because josh has the makings (although cruder) to become this year's will. no one may much like him, but they could say, 'wow, i never thought he'd stay in the game until the end. good for him! i'll vote for him!'

keiffer: 'Perhaps people can back of the automatic put downs of the couples now. They seem to be better people than they are given credit for.'
i really don't think a lack of 'sucking up',
having a 'falling out', going 'crazy' or putting a negative spin on conversations makes the gang of four better people. that kind of behaviour is game playing; how they choose to play the game is up to them. i believe people voice their dislike for the couples when they think they go over the line--getting personal. as a matter of fact, one of the reasons i dislike roddy is his treatment of chiara. i know she is grown woman, but i really don't think he treats her well on a personal level. that's WITHIN the gang of four.

i don't underestimated the couples humanity, even if as a group they turn me off. lisa and eric don't bother me at all unless they are acting as part of the Gang Of Four. i really don't like chiara's vulgar talk or behaviour on this show, but i think she has shown some good points. roddy? well, i think his behaviour is arrogant and that won't win a snee-supporter. i think roddy is playing a good game though, perhaps overplaying right now as people start to catch on to his spin.

as for underestimating their game playing, i think that's something different. they have plans, although i'm not sure anybody but roddy is really thinking about the end game. anyway, because they didn't act the way some people thought they would act when two of them were nom'd is not a reason to say that they are better people than was thought.

Bmh

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Omg..this is great..dani,marc,and jason are talking and they are all laughing cuz Eric thinks he is staying..they all said they are voting to evict Eric and Chiara would be the 4th vote to evict Eric..so it is gonna be 4-2 Eric evicted!!!...this is the best because
1.one of the fab four are goin
2.D/M/Ja are on their way to controlling the game
3.A woman isn't going to leave this week! :)

Dedonjo

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 12:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Zeyna, I was noticing that too - some of them are convinced this is some sort of popularity contest, they want to vote out the people they don't like, without any further strategy?

I noticed also in reading the LFP of the conversation that, among other interesting things he said, Gerry assured her that he was aware of what was going on, and at least one poster caught "You may think so, but I'm not stupid ". I thought that was great.

I really do think people are underestimating Gerry.
I didn't realize that he teaches special ed. (saw it mentioned today somewhere here), if that's true, then he's got some good experience in handling people who behave in all sorts of interesting ways. I think some of what we see might be an effort to just deflate some of the stuff directed at him. I think Gerry's got much more going on than most people think. I wish they'd show more of his DR entries, I'd like to have a better handle on what he's thinking about it all.

Has Gerry ever made a mean or snide or nasty remark about anyone else? I'm curious. Seems like maybe he could be the only one who hasn't, has anyone noticed?

Earthmother

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 12:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If I was Gerry I would have asked her what she said to the bad boy Josh when he was saying all those nasty things about Gerry? Wouldn't a good person tell him how wrong he was to behave that way? Wouldn't a good person have said to the man she loves (another good person) that he owed it to mankind to rid the house of such vermin and worked to get votes against Josh?

Wendo

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 12:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dedonjo, ya know, I think Gerry has made some passing comments about other HG's, but not near the low level of the rest of them toward him.

I agree, I think Gerry's doing a fair job right now. I don't think he has as good of odds of making it to the end, but I do think he's going to go farther than people originally thought.

Pulk

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I said somewhere in another thread that this was a possiblity that Lisa was gonna do a hatchet job on Josh to get Gerry tp put him up if the veto was used.

Anyway if Eric thinks he is safe and Lisa thinks the same (thx to Dani) then theres a conflict of interest there. As soon as Lisa and Eric discuss who is they think is going then they might get confused unless they both say to eachother they think they are going.

Earthmother

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 09:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That she (and the rest) think that Gerry is stupid and has no clue this has been going on, shows their ignorance. It's not like Josh didn't call him a Nazi OUT LOUD for him to hear, so the only way Gerry wouldn't know Josh was saying these things would be if he was deaf. "I'm gonna go tattle on that bad Josh so Gerry will know how good I am!!!" How embarrassing for her not to know how transparent that was and that her friends are the ones who encouraged it.

Off2cthwizrd

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Is anyone worried that the "surprise" this week is going to throw a cog into all of this?

Lurknomore

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm coming in late to this topic, but what do I think of Lisa's talk with Gerry?

RUN FORREST RUN!!!!!!!!

I'll even add a PS: when did those meanie 4 who trashed everyone not as pretty as they are become the "nice" people? True they are somewhat less vile than Josh, but nice? Not in my universe :)

Foodbunny

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara is the only one of the 4 that I've seen doing any real hardcore gossiping about the other houseguests. Roddy and Eric get nasty once in a while but that strikes me more as venting stress than serious meanness. I am definately a Roddy fan but I have no plans to defend him. What other people think of his has no effect on me, if others want to hate him then that's fine.

Lisa isn't a genius and she admits it. She's a little freaked out right now and doing what she can think of to try to save her bacon.

Earthmother

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 11:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
IN ANSWER TO THE TOPIC:

"A little too late, my pretty"

Auntie

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 12:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa went to Gerry to get him to do her own dirty work (get Josh out) but she did it too late. She ignored Gerry's earlier invitation to each houseguest to come & talk with him before the nominations. She decided after his veto of Marcellas to go along and ostracize Gerry & used her decision as an excuse not to talk with Gerry as HOH. Lisa wanted to 'keep her hands clean' and not touch that 'dirty' Gerry. She let others (Danielle especially) influence her to ignore Gerry & never realized that others, especially Josh, would be willing to get their hands dirty by dealing with the odious Gerry. By nominating E/L, Gerry as HOH did the dirty work for his secret co-hort Josh, for the deeply hidden three of D/Ja/M, and even for the deluded male alliance of E/Jo/R. And then Lisa has the gall to tell Gerry that he smells clean & fresh. Lisa started stepping out of the game when she nominated Amy to replace Marcellas and stepped completely out when she went along with the decision to ostracize Gerry because he dared to use the POV (how dirty can one get!), never realizing that others still saw him as a useful pawn. At least Lisa's talking with Gerry was an attempt to start playing the game again.