Earthmother | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:44 pm     Do you think it's right for families and friends to come on these boards and solicit votes for America's choice for their hg in hopes of manipulating the game? The first year bb was an interactive game and I loved voting then the Chicken George/Britney fiasco happened, last year we couldn't vote. Last year I loved the idea of banners so we could still have some imput, but after the Jeff/Nicole fiasco "pooof" gone. The only thing we have left is America's choice and if that starts to be used as a way to manipulate the game it will be gone too. I am really angry that this is going on and just wanted to know if I was over-reacting or if anyone agrees. |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:46 pm     IMO America's Choice means America's Choice and it's our CHOICE to use the vote anyway we see fit. It doesn't say America's Favorite. If I want to spend a dollar then if I get to choose my motivations. |
Bmh | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:49 pm     Earthmother as I said on the other board I agree and support you and I dont think you are over-reacting at all..I think it is very biased for one to vote for Josh just because Merrit posted here..and there is no reason to manipulate the game..Arnie does that for us with all the tricks he has up his sleeve..everybody just vote for your own personal favorite..dont buy into this ridiculous manipulation by voting for Josh..it is stupid..I am very angry about this Americas Choice should be the popular vote not the vote where it was manipulated..I wouldn't worry though Earthmother I doubt a few votes Josh's way will actually get him the AC he doens't have a chance..he is in fact the least popular |
Draheid | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:51 pm     Wcv63: I agree that it is YOUR choice. I also agree with Earthmother that YOUR choice should be nothing more than that. For someone to come into a forum such as this and ask others to make THEIR choice the same as YOUR choice, for whatever reason, in my oppinion is inappropriate. Again, just my  |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:53 pm     Bias is exactly what AC is asking you to employ when making your vote. Gee, any manipulation caused by an AC win is neglible in the big picture. Nobody is setting up phone banks and saying that they will pay for the calls. Nobody is attempting to circumvent any rules. We're only presenting different options, ideas and motivations which could be employed when making your vote. |
Max | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:53 pm     Your vote and your $$ are both your own to use as you please. Likewise, the boards are places where people can campaign for the HG of their choice. So what if they are related to or friends with an HG? Does that negate their right to post something here asking for support for that HG? I don't think so. You can agree or disagree with an HGs family member or friend just as you can with any other poster. If someone's posts on these boards is enough to sway your personal opinion or vote in one way or another, so be it. It's still YOUR choice. |
Bmh | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:56 pm     I agree it is your decsion who to vote for..but on the other thread ppl are campaigning and trying to get people to vote for Josh which isn't right..everybody has their own choice but dont start tellin ppl to vote for Josh and giving reasons why it is best to vote for Josh that is very inapproiate.. |
Oregonfire | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:58 pm     I personally don't mind it. I had already decided that I was going to vote for Josh, and it sounds like many here already have their minds made up about who they will vote for, or if they will even vote at all. Dani's seemingly scripted cough during her plea threw it for me. Maybe some of the HGs in their hometown are also campaigning for their loved ones to get the letter. Taking it to the 'net is just a wider audience. As a matter of fact, why *aren't* the other HGs families and loved ones doing the same? |
Earthmother | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:58 pm     I did not say they don't have the right to come on these boards and seek support for their hg. But to say if we do this we can somehow manipulate the game is another story. |
Azriel | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:58 pm     Wvc and Max said it all. I agree with them. |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:58 pm     Bmh..why not give reasons? How is it inappropriate? Presenting different perspectives is part of the reason we come to this board. To discuss strategy, the houseguests and different ways we view the game. Nobody can force anyone to do anything that they don't want to do. |
Azriel | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:00 pm     ~boggle~ Bmh, I have no right to ask people to consider an idea? What are we all doing here then? Isn't this board an exchange of ideas and opinions? |
Earthmother | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:09 pm     yes it is Aztriel and I had no problem with you asking for votes based on doing something nice for his girlfriend. I had problems with it when it became trying to circumvent the playing of the game inside the house. When it became vote for him so we can mess with their heads. |
Webkitty | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:11 pm     Why isn't it ok for Merritt to come on here and ask that she get to send Josh a letter? Its NOT the same thing as the Chicken George thing. Merritt is not asking for votes for Josh to win the money, she just wants to communicate with her boyfriend! Manipulating the game? I don't see it. Azriel started a nice thread about Merritt, now we are over here trying to defend her good intentions, I don't know why you are so outraged over this Earthmother. ~webkitty wandering off to bed scratching her head~ |
Fabnsab | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:13 pm     The first year, all we did was campaign for a vote for a certain houseguest! Remember, we chose the banished person and on that day all the threads were titled "VOTE FOR__________!" It is just another part of this game. That's why I love it. As I said in another thread, I believe this is being overanalyzed but there again, that's why I love it here. |
Azriel | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:15 pm     You know this is just ridiculous. If you don't want to vote for Josh, then don't. Noone is coming after people and dragging them into that thread to do a mind control experiment on them. We gave reasons why you should vote for Josh. You don't agree that's great. My thread was no different than the Danielle for American choice thread. OHHHHHH yes mine was because I asked people to vote for Josh! GEEEEEEESH |
Earthmother | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:18 pm     No one on that thread mentioned doing it for the purpose of manipulation..bottom line. I have no problem with anyone voting for him. If you want to use semantics go right ahead. |
Karuuna | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:20 pm     Well, heck, and by golly. Seems to me, everyone can post their opinions, like them or not. Anyone can drum up support for an action, or an idea, like it or not. You are either persuaded by their argument, or not. What's the big deal? If you don't like their idea, you post your counterargument. People will pick and choose based on who is more persuasive; or by what they bring in their own opinions. <shrugs shoulders> Seems to me, America's Choice is all about messing with the HGs heads. They wonder why so-and-so got picked; and not them. They try to get clues about how they are being portrayed on the tv show; and how they are coming across on the live feeds. If the producers didn't want that audience involvement to effect the HGs, they sure have made a mistake in setting up an AC vote. It's bound to be seen as some kind of popularity contest. How can it not be? Then again, could just be my head that's messed.  |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:21 pm     Well seeing as how my post about using the vote for strategy started all this I am prepared to take all the criticism from the posters who think that by making that post I somehow acted inappropriately. You may even use my name as the bad guy trying to "manipulate" the game. I kinda like it. Makes me feel more powerful than I actually am. |
Azriel | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:24 pm     LOL, Wcv THANK YOU! I needed that laugh! |
Spygirl | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:27 pm     CLEARLY, I think this whole thread is silly! LOL Inappropriate to give reasons why people should vote for a houseguest?? Good one |
Rabbit | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:28 pm     Are we going to beat the alpha-numeric-cyber entity with a stick? If so where does the line form? |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:30 pm     Better watch it Rabbit. I have the power!  |
Spygirl | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:32 pm     The power? Well, clearly I have a phone and a credit card, too!  |
Lancecrossfire | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:34 pm     Sure it's ok to do it. Just like it's ok to say you like/hate/love/enjoy/etc a HG and wish they would win/lose/go home/stay/etc. We give our opinion and try to sway others with it. Sometimes we do change our minds because someone brings up a valid point a person didn't think of. That's what this place is all about--discussing the game, the HG's, the interactions, the twists and turns. AC is just part of the game. Personally I don't want there to be any contact with the outside for the entire game. But it's clear there is going to be. So, it's all within the idea of this board to lobby (within raeson and not spam), agree, disagree, etc. |
Wcv63 | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:35 pm     LOL Well Spy...go ahead and ruin all my delusions of grandeur! |
Spygirl | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:37 pm     LOL Wcv! Okay, YOU can have the power tonight...hehehe |
Karuuna | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:38 pm     Know what I think? I think I'm maxing out my card and voting for Gerry till I'm broke. Now THAT would get them going! Muahuahaaahahahahah! |
Earthmother | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:48 pm     Okay guess I'm just tired. I guess I just miss the old days when we could really do some damage...lol You answered my question..I over-reacted...Really Josh has moved up my list, but not that far. mods feel free to remove this....thanks |
Snee | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:52 pm     if i get a stick you'd better watch out, rabbit! *menacing look* |
Bernie | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:58 am     Since Arnie has been closing the loopholes since HE got the power, I've been wondering if an additional caveat might be in effect this year-that the families of HGs must not actively campaign, or else their loved ones will be penalised out of the game. I can still recall Eddie's Mom, and George's wife, and all the messages last year from Jeff, Nicole's husband, but we've seen very little of that this year - so far, of course. It seem to me that campaigning outside the house on the part of family and friends defeats the BB game plan, and is unfair, really, especially to someone like Marcellas, who does not appear to have anyone who WOULD campaign for him. If the game is pure, it should be based on only the actions of those inside the house, and their skill in getting their own way, without being caught out in lies or trickery. I've said once or twice this year 'we need a banner!' but I'm enjoying it more this year when we're seeing the real deal - no outside interference except from BB himself, via the DR, plus the machinations of the HGs. Maybe I just don't like being pressured by vested interests. |
Wcv63 | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 03:01 am     Bernie when it comes to determining the game's outcome I'm with you all the way. But for an AC, the only time we really get to do anything to effect the house, all considerations should be utilized. |
Moderator | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 07:45 am     Closing thread on request of Earthmother who started it. (c) |