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Keiffer

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope for most posters here that Chiara doesnt get put up for nommination this week. If we don't have the "we hate Chiara's behavior" threads I don't know what we will do with our time. Like her or dislike her she sure does provide lots to talk about on the chat boards. Also its kind of like that line in the Howard Stern movie when they are talking about his ratings... "25% of people love him and listen for hours to see what he'll say next, 75% of people hate, but listen for hours to see what he'll say next." Give it up to Chiara she has created as much converstaion on this board as Will did last year, and more than likely just like Will of last year if she makes it to the final week we will all be praising her. I think that is just because by that time HG's are truly more like they really are.... unlike the first 2-3 weeks.

As for editing I said all I have to say about that in the first folder of this topic.

Ginger

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great post Jane Bond! I think you're right on about that...and also about the fact that Chiara has no respect for herself or others.

As for the editing, I share many of the same observations/frustrations that you all do, but the difference between the TV show and the reality of the house has always been great.

And for all they didn't show Chiara saying last night, I was surprised at what they did show. I thought it very racey indeed that they broadcast Chiara's little sex swap tale.

Oregonfire

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's funny about that part Ginger. I watched the actual convo on the live feeds, and Chi Chi goes on to say that they didn't sleep with both partners, but slept with her ex-boyfriend and made out with his friend, and her friend did the opposite. That may not be a distinction that matters to most people, but they did make it sound like she swapped and had sex with two people.

Where is Bill Clinton when you need him to make these distinctions?

Bunyun

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Oregonfire, I am just across the cascades from you. Lets do a rain dance to help put out the fires here!
Bunny

Oregonfire

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good idea, Bunyun! I'm not from Oregon orginally so I haven't been over where you're at yet, but I lived in Eastern WA which I think is a similiar climate. Honestly, though, I've been such a shut-in that I only see the fires on the news and am like "Huh?" This summer is completely passing me by.

Carigsby

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 11:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's so difficult to watch the shows after being so intimately involved by watching/reading/discussing the live feeds. My husband, who has absolutely no interest in the live feeds or these types of boards (don't ask me why because I am addicted!) was watching the show last night and made these observations based solely on watching the tv shows so far:

1. Doesn't understand why everyone hates Amy so much
2. Doesn't understand what the hoopla is over Chiara
3. Thought that "ChiWhora" is soley based on Amy's crush over Roddy - until the clips last night showing Chiara talking about sex
4. Thinks Marcellus is the funniest one on the show (next to Amy)

So - the editing does play a huge part on how people are viewed for those who don't watch the feeds. I know that this isn't any new information to any of us here. But, everyone who watches the show forms opinions on different houseguests based on their own perceptions - and none of those perceptions are right or wrong because we are all individuals and have a right to our opinions

Wink

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 12:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jane_Bond great post. Do you think the fact that Chiara has not been admonished by the producers(or so it appears) means that the contract they sign says all or any verbal behaviour is allowed up to and including sexual harrassment?

Eden

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jane_Bond, Here, here! Like her or not, Chiara's treatement of Jason is at least disrespectful and at most sexual harrassment. Personally, I think it is both. I don't think most HGs would find it so funny and harmless if "Jason" were a woman. A reverse double standard. Alternately, I don't think most people would be quite so offended by Chiara's "mouth" (her treatment of Jason excepted) if she were a guy. They might think he was a pig... but still just a guy.

Luvscoutii

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Since I haven't been watching any feeds and just reading the feeds from posters I think I've missed some of the sexual harrassment from Chiara. This may not be the place to post this and it may be repeating things, but oh well. What has Jason's response been to these sexual harrassments? Does he get up and walk out or ask her to stop making comments with him/about him or has he even come out and said he's offended/upset? I haven't really seen or read how he reacts to these, so perhaps someone could let me know. Thanks.

Reader234

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep w/ the editing, it does seem like they may be trying to portray chiapet more along the lines of the sex and city type! Isnt it true that the producers in a realty series are trying to "cast" a certain type? I've always gotten the impression from MTV that they go for a crowd that will get into it - controversy sells?!!

I have no idea what the producers of BB3 were looking for, or maybe they just didnt get a wide variety apply? It does seem to me that chia is getting her kicks by her mouth, esp when she laughs if anyone were to actually believe her!?

Snee

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
good points both, eden.

Eden

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Luv, what's the guy supposed to do? He's playing a game where you can't react to things as you might in real life. Chiara is in a powerful position in the house the "girlfriend of the captain of the football team". Usually he laughs and downplays it. The other night, when it seemed particularly bad, he asked her to stop. She didn't. Eventually he went to bed, where she followed him. Jason is not only playing the game but I think he's a genuinely nice guy and doesn't want to offend someone even if they seem to be totally disrespectful of his feelings. I could be completely off base and he loves the attention but somehow, I don't think so.

Karuuna

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason said he would take Chiara, if he won the America's Choice Dinner. In the Diary Room, he's said he thinks Chiara is great.

So, I guess I would think Jason likes Chiara, regardless of behavior that he himself wouldn't do.

Yes, I find that confusing. I find her "conversation" vulgar. But it seems like Roddy feels the same way that Jason does. Maybe there's something about getting to know Chiara in person that we're missing?

Bernie

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chemistry, aka pheromones?

Kaili

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Then again Karuuna, what else did Jason say in the DR that was left out? We don't know how out of context that comment was on the show. He may have said it's annoying, too much, etc than afterward added that ASIDE from that he thinks she's cool, fun, etc. Or we don't know how mucg the DR led him to say that. I have a feeling that if the DR people were lawyers there would be constant objections from the otherside for leading the witness!

Luvscoutii

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really don't know what he's supposed to do nor have I seen what he's done whatsoever, that's why I was asking. I just haven't gotten that impression is all by reading the posts of the live feeds and maybe as someone said before, the posters just don't include the exact details to protect their own sensibilities (not critizing anyone). For example, in one of the posts from around 12ish today I read the following:

Now JAS (in HRD w/CH) - No matter what you do you look beautiful.
CH - talks about her hair w/DA and what to wear for the show. JA offers to go but they tell him to stay. He does a dead-on impression of MA telling him he can't have PB - "There's no food in the HRD."

I'm assuming JAS is Jason and CH is Chiara and it seems to me like Jason is saying to Chiara, "No matter what you do you look beautiful." Am I missing something? Was he saying it in a tone of facetiousness? If the guy is being sexually harrassed all the time by her why would he even compliment her or talk to her beyond the basic civilities? I'm not trying to say he's not being harrassed, I just havne't read it and am trying to understand this.

Kk3

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was late watching last nights show, I just watched it on tape. I am neither an Amy fan or a Chiara fan for the record. Actually, I am just trying to enjoy the show and the feeds. This year has been great. Hats off to Arnie, he did a good job with the personality mix IMO.

This thread surprises me. I thought the editing absolutely did not make Chiara look good. When they showed her in the DR saying she had a big part in having Amy nominated, then showed her going in to the HOH with the whole 'you did a good job' speach, it sounded like she controlled Roddy.

On the other hand, I thought they cut Amy a tremendous amount of slack! The america's choice dinner segment is not what happened. Where was the drunken end of the dinner? Where was any of the many many times that Marc has complained about her getting drunk and ruining his prize win? Amy owes BB one for not showing that embarrassing moment in the house.

As for those who don't watch the feeds and only read about it on the discussion board, one word of advice. I ignore any post that uses a derogitory nickname for any of the houseguests (ie. Chiwhora, Chiapet, etc) because I know it is a biased opinion. I love the discussion about the happenings in the house, and appreciate the opinions of others. I think some of what is posted is taken out of context and turned towards having other dislike a houseguest. Don't try to get me to dislike someone, show me why I should like them as much as you do! IMHO :)

Wcv63

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We do tend to identify houseguests by certain aspects of their personality...and whether those aspects are something we personally define as "good" or "bad". I know that people are not one demensional and that there is more "balance" than what is either being shown on television and/or how we discuss it on the boards.

I'm sure that Chiara is more than just a sexual being who feels the need to shock (because I believe that is her intent) and titillate at every turn. Unfortunately I have already catagorized her in mind into a "niche" that I keep shoving her back into. The editors of the show are doing the same but with an entirely different "niche".

I've done the same with Amy and basically every other houseguest. I'm not saying that I won't change my mind or that I have tunnel vision, but I do have preconcieved ideas that sometimes require some mental gymnastics in order to make the facts fit.

There's really no answer. We will always champion the ones the like and have a harder time being more forgiving and tolerant of those we don't. Doesn't make us anything but human.

Jane_Bond

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is interesting and I think you've brought up some stuff here, Luvscoutii, that points to the extreme complexity of this issue.

I think that most of us can recognise CH's behaviour as harrassing - particularily those of us who are women over 30 where that kind of behaviour from men was almost "normal".

1. I think Jason may not realize that he is being harrassed because Ch has been like this from day one and so it is his normal living conditions (us older gals have put up with men behaving like this for years before we realised that we had the right to not like it and to stop and to demand a world in which the powerful do not prey on the weak)

2) Jason may not want to react strongly to Ch because of her alignment with Roddy, Eric and Lisa who are a 4 member voting bloc - like Eden pointed out, Ch's like the gf of the captain of the football team

3) Jason may be trying to save Ch's face for her by not making a big deal out of it.

4) Jason may be allowing Ch to act like this for self-protection: make her think you really like her and that you think this is all a big joke so that you'll stay under the radar

5) Jason's sexual naiivity may not give him the self-confidence or the verbal tools to deal with this (those of us with more sexual street smarts are more likely to say: go eff yourself! if we were ever put in a similar situation)

6) Jason may be such a nice guy that he is blinkering much of Ch's sexual harrassment in favour of some of her good traits (and I'm sure there is one or two! there has to be!)

7) That smile is quite beautiful, who has allowed themself to be put in a stupid spot because of someone's beauty or charm? Jason may be a little dazed from the dazzle of those pearly whites!

Now, I really, honestly believe that Jason's behaviour with Ch grows out of all of these elements and more. Of course, that just makes it more icky for me. The more complex the harrassment is, the more evil and hard to stop it becomes.

Karuuna

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 02:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kaili - you're right in that we don't know what might have been left out. It's just that I think (my best guess) is that Jason can't be too uncomfortable with Chiara, if he wanted to take her (and be alone with her!) if he won the AC dinner. He did say he would check with Roddy, to make sure it was okay.

While I find her behavior incredibly offensive, I guess I'm just trying to understand why she seems rather well-liked, except by Amy...

Sisalou

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kk3 - I think Amy and BB might be even. She is going to be mortified when she sees herself on t.v. shoveling cheese in her mouth.

I am still laughing about that one. :)

Kk3

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Sis! I was thinking the same thing as I was posting that message. OMG, I felt so bad for her when I saw that, but was dying laughing at the slow motion clip! The poor thing, she will be mortified!!!

Lilacs04

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Karuuna-- The extreme harassment happened a few nights ago--way after the filming for the America's Choice. So I'm thinking Jason's opinion may be slightly different now. But of course they didn't show footage of THAT.