Jello | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:12 pm     Some other boards are posting an argument between America's Other Sweethearts but those boards are not as thorough as the feed posters here. Anything going on? |
Carigsby | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:15 pm     My husband just called me from home to tell me that he was watching and that they were arguing about something that happened this morning - but didn't give any more details. It's killing me. |
Missy2 | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:16 pm     Roddy is annoying the crap out of me right now...he is giving me a headache. He won't leave the situation alone! (what is the situation? - sorry I don't even know - I can't figure it out!!) |
Lurknomore | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:17 pm     I turned the feeds back on in the middle, but so far I can't figure out what's going on. Best I can tell so far Chiapet is trying to make some points and Roddy is telling her why she is wrong. Hopefully someone is understanding this better than me. |
__Tera | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:17 pm     Yes, R is telling C how insensitive she is. Something about how she rudely interruped a touching story R was telling earlier about a friend that died. R wants to know why C feels the need to be confrintational right now. She is blaming it on her past. She doesn't believe in showing your weakness. She had to put up walls to get through life. |
Lurknomore | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:18 pm     oh good Missy it's not just me lost and confused LOL |
Foodbunny | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:22 pm     Roddy is talking about how she's changed or how she seems like two different people. Chiara is essentially repeating Amy's speech about selfishness from the other night to excuse her (Chiara's) behavior. And she's saying she should have never come on the show. And that she's scared of Roddy because he's patient. And that she's self-absorbed because her parents got divorced. And generally a lot of stream-of-conciousness that isn't making much sense. |
Floresmama | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:23 pm     Roddy is pointing out from my viewpoint how they are absolutely not right for each other. The age/life experience difference is too huge. He was really giving it too her really hard. Now he is back peddling and saying he really likes that about her. When really his mind just kicked in and he realized how harsh he was being and that he need her for a little while longer. |
Fanny | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:28 pm     Maybe he's using this "discussion" as a means to distance himself when gerry nominates her. |
Ryn | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:28 pm     Gerry is talking to Chiara now - so that talk be over... |
Wcv63 | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:35 pm     Maybe, just maybe, Roddy and Chiara "hatched a plan" to fight in front of the others and make it look like they were not a couple. Roddy has been told that couples are being targeted and it's just like him to think this would work. OR, Roddy is just being overbearing and arrogant as per usual. Not saying Chiara doesn't have her part in any disagreement but in the Chiara/Roddy union I definitely have more issues with Roddy. |
Sherbear | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:36 pm     Actually it had to do with him talking about his friend dieing and how people don't appreciate other people. They need to tell people they love them etc. Chiapet got that he was making fun of her wanting things captialism and stuff. She walked out of the situation giggling and he was offended. He explained it to her and she didn't get it then brought it over up again out on the patio. She went into a lecture about her paying her way and buying herself nice things. he got pissed and told her she was so confrontational and totally missed the point like 2 or 3 times now. He explained it to her. Then an interesting comment he made was that he wished she was as curious about the way he thinks or sees the world as he is about the way she thinks and sees things. Clearly telling her they are mismatched. But she doesn't get it |
Sherbear | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:37 pm     They were outside by themselves when this little tiff took place |
Wcv63 | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:38 pm     Okay...then it wasn't for show. Thanks Sherbear. I stick with my 2nd assessment, uninformed though it is. |
Poser | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:40 pm     I was starting my own thread and missed this one but here's what I saw. He's spent the last 15 minutes explaining that all of her arguments are not related to the conversation. He told her that she was too stupid to understand the conversation and should shut up. That wasn't the way he worded it, but he wasn't really too diplomatic about it either. |
Sherbear | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:41 pm     If anyone can add to the live feeds please do. I was having a hard time hearing and keeping up with the whole conversation. It was very clear he was pissed at her and she totally missed the point. In honestly I think Roddy was justified this time. She was really getting onto him when I came on scene. She was totally off the mark and it was the 2 or 3 time he had explained it to her. I think I might have said Chia your to stupid for me or something. I think he is playing the game.... |
Shadowkat | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:44 pm     To summarize, earlier this morning Roddy, Jason, Danielle and Chiara were sitting at the kitchen table. They were talking about all sorts of things, but at one point, Roddy was telling a story about when someone he cared about died. He was telling about what a huge impact it had on his life, and that he learned that you need to tell people you love them because you never know how long you have. He was so involved with the story he was telling that he started to cry. Chiara started almost arguing with him saying that because of the economy we live in we have to go to work. Roddy was trying to tell her that she wasn't "getting" what he was trying to say, and she kept talking about the economy. Roddy was very frustrated. They started talking about it again this afternoon and Roddy was trying to explain again that what she was talking about earlier (the economy) had nothing to do with what he was trying to say. She still didn't get it, so he was getting more and more frustrated. He brought up frustrations he had with her reactions to a few conversations, but she said she didn't mean to seem indifferent. Roddy was trying to tell her in a nice way that she was acting selfishly, but again, I don't think she "got it". |
Foodbunny | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:45 pm     I didn't see the whole conversation but the jist I got was that she had done something hurtful to him and he was really fusterated with her because of it. She kept making excuses for it and he was telling her that she wasn't acting the same as when they first met in the house and that he wasn't happy about how she was acting now. Then she launched into her pity me story and I shouldn't be here and I had a bad relationship so you just have to put up with it. He ended up essentially saying "I think you're better than this" and trying to encourage her to stop feeling sorry for herself and make active changes if she doesn't like things about herself. It didn't come across as overbearing or arrogant at all, just fustrated and a little hurt. |
Poser | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:38 pm     He's spent the last 15 minutes explaining that all of her arguments are not related to the conversation. He told her that she was too stupid to understand the conversation and should shut up. That wasn't the way he worded it, but he wasn't really too diplomatic about it either. |
Poser | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:49 pm     I think my thread just got incorporated into this one. Sorry for the double post. |
Draheid | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:50 pm     Minor clarification/amplification on the story he was telling because I think it's important... The story was of a friend when he was a kid. The friend (Andy I believe) had Leukemia. One night, Andy invited Roddy to sleepover and he turned it down for some reason. Two days later, at 6AM, Roddy's Dad woke him up to tell him that Andy had passed away... Roddy now regrets not going to the sleepover and that's what had him in tears. Just thought this was important... |
Ryn | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:50 pm     Poser's post moved from "Roddy Telling Chiara That She's Dumb?" and I see its here too - oh well |
Wcv63 | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:51 pm     Okay, okay, okay....I get it. In this situation my criticism of Roddy MAY be unwarranted. I'll just go find something else to criticize about him! Edited to say that after Drahaid's post mine seems petty. |
Poser | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:52 pm     It's my fault for not hitting the refresh button to look at the thread titles before starting my own. |
Katrina | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 03:01 pm     I saw a few bits of that convo earlier, and after Roddy told his story, Chiara launched into her story of how her friend had leukemia and her friend survived and that she, Chiara, was such an angelic devoted friend at 5 that she stayed in the hospital with her friend every night while she was in the hospital for a time and also how she went in and got her finger pricked for blood tests as a show of support with her little friend. This was her trump Roddy story, in addition to whatever argument they got into about getting too caught up in the automaton routine of work versus having to work. Thanks for filling me in on the parts I missed. |
Thefan | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 04:15 pm     She was a devoted friend at 5 years old? Am I misunderstanding here? No one would let a five year old who wasn't sick stay over at the hospital. Anyone clarify this for me? |
Jaydubzz | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 04:37 pm     Yeah, and then the pink elephants ran by... |
Ginger | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 04:59 pm     Roddy is completely right this time around. He actually did share a serious experience from his life and Chiara just couldn't deal with it, so she started babbling about capitalism (while Danielle comforted Roddy). Roddy became angry about Chiara's self-absorption and calmly asked her why she had to turn every conversation into a sociological argument. As Sherball pointed out, he also said that he wishes she were as curious about the way he sees that world as he is about the way she sees it. She essentially ignored that observation/wish. I'm seeing here that Roddy is MUCH more mature and giving in a real way than Chiara is. I'm no Roddy fan, but in this conversation I like him A LOT and I think he is dead on. |
Spunky | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 05:05 pm     Roddy is a jinx. Chiara will be evicted because he got close to him. I predict she could go on Thursday. Look the history: First Lori, Then Amy, then Chiara. By the way Marcello Mastroianni and Catherine Deneuve's daughter is also named "Chiara" (recently married), so is the daughter of my sister. |
C1mag | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 05:12 pm     Sorry but its all a plan! Couples are targets so it's best to make it appear as if they are not close enough that they would be a double threat. Please don't be fooled by the things Roddy is a part of. Chiara is just as crafty as he is. Pay attention and don't get caught in all the drama. |
Marcieb | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 05:38 pm     Thanks go to all of the above. I was posting (therefore listening intently) during the first convo this morning and it took all of you hearing different parts to put all of this together--posting is a TOUGH thing to do. Anyway, Roddy & Chiara have been vocal in their finding fundamental differences in their personalities that would keep them from hooking up for life. When Chiara had the "even if my husband brought another woman/man into our bed, it's fine with me" speech, Roddy said she's just verbalized everything he ever fantasized a woman saying. When she mentioned she liked a certain kind of (i.e.) vacation, he said, "I guess we're not meant to be." This is an on-going by-play between them, whether they're meant to be married or not. How cute is this? [do I hear gagging out there?] |
Spunky | Friday, August 02, 2002 - 05:40 pm     Roddy reminds me of those long ago boyfriends who wanted "cerebral" conversations and I had to make an effort to be up to their level...Silly me. |