Archive through July 29, 2002
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Archive through July 29, 2002
Tootseug | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:15 pm     that Roddy wants out. no, no, not out of the house..lol.. He wants out of this "thing" with Chiara. Over the last couple of days, he's just said little things, here and there to make me think that this is the case. And more importantly, it's a body language and sense that he exudes. He reminds me so much of myself, the last time I wanted to break up with someone and I wanted THEM to break it off, so I didn't have to hurt their feelings. I know you've all been there, make them so uncomfortable that they throw in the towel. Roddy wants to have Chiara break it off so she won't take hers and Lisa votes away from him, in my opinion. Facts: Just a few minutes ago, in the HOH room, he was just telling Eric that "the girl is nice and all, but boy, is she emotional". It is HOW he said it, not just those words. He also told Jason a while ago, "not to worry about his flirtiness with KiKi". It's ok". Again, it was the way he said it. He is starting to feel chafed. The house is really gonna feel Chiara's pain, as will we. Anyone else sense some back-peddling? |
Texastillie | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:20 pm     I totally agree with this observation. I've been noticing the small remarks Roddy makes about Chiara, too. However, he isn't (and probably never will be) in a position to alienate all who might sympathize with her. |
Cute1073 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:21 pm     here is my perception of the same quotes: Kiki is emotional: She's too emotional for the game and he's worried about it it's ok for jason to flirt with her: Roddy went on about how he 'understands' and was emphatic about it...He knows because he likes her so much and thinks she is good looking. So he understands why ja would have a crush Why have I come to these conclusions? Because he is constantly watching her, touching her, and telling her how great she is, how goodlooking she is, and discussing what they are going to do together when they are out of the house. It is decieving because they argue a lot, but I see those two as people that like to argue that way (there are many couples like that) simply because they are both stubborn people. Again I come to this conclusion because Roddy is still trusting kiki with EVERYTHING he says to other people, and he will tell her what is bothering him about the two of them and they work it out together. He even told her that he thinks she is emotional. So, that is my perspective, i'm sure no body will agree but I wanted to get it out there before everyone started to get mean to kiki. |
Tootseug | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:32 pm     Rod tells Jason how good looking he is. He also tells him how great he is. He tells Marcelles how intelligent he is, and how he could so see them getting together after this. He smoozed Amy to death last night in the hot tub, when she was trying to make things right with him. Roddy tells people what he believes they want to hear. And that would include Kiki. As far as him trusting her enough to confide about his "plan" last night. That..was part of the game plan. He knew she'd take it back to Lisa, and that is what he wanted. |
Strkaholic | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:34 pm     Cute..I totally agree with you and even though I did not hear the conversation a little while ago where R & E where talking, did he actually say her name when the said that...from the live feed posts..he could also be talking about Amy since they had their talk last night. If Roddy really wants out..he should stop coming on to her like he does...just seconds ago..he told her he was almost ready to start kissing outright... If he is just leading her on...well..I feel sorry for him. |
Cute1073 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:35 pm     not what I see at all tootseug, if that were true he must have forgotten that one day he will have to live in the real world...He seems to have HUGE concerns about how he is percieved by the outside world doesn't want to be seen as a 'slime-ball' (his word) ...but we all have different perceptions |
Spunky | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:35 pm     That was clear to me for a while now. Actually since Amy's fight with Chiara and Roddy was very very annoyed with Amy for giving up so soon. (I think that's one of the reasons he wants her out now). If Amy did try with Roddy was because Roddy gave Amy plenty of opportunities, but Chiara stopped that like a jealous wife. Well, Roddy didn't like that a bit and sure enough, he's tired of her already. On the other hand, looks like these two are bickering in order to fool the other hgs who want to break the couples up. We'll see.. |
Strkaholic | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:35 pm     Toot..have you actually heard him say this or are you assuming? Just curious because I listen to the feeds quite a bit and have never heard him say this, but I could have missed it. |
Tootseug | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:36 pm     Yes you are so right Cute. And different perceptions are what make the world go round!! Thanks for posting yours!! |
Oregonfire | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:37 pm     Woo Woo...hot new thread comin' through! I'm out of this one too--smells like trouble. Ride on the Peace Train folks! |
Cute1073 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:41 pm     yes oregon, i'm quitting while i'm a head...it is nice to have a nice conversation about this subject for once tho. No nasty comments yet! |
Sunriverose | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:43 pm     Don't go Oregonfire and Cute. I think this topic is ripe for serious conversation. I'm going to post this much to see if you will stay. |
Oregonfire | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:47 pm     I will say, as a general comment, that the HGs have been very tense and snappish the past few days, starting with that exchange between Roddy and Chiara at the hot tub, which we don't really know was staged or not. Then Chi Chi snapped at Jason last night, she just snapped at Josh. Josh just went off on Danielle about some little food thing. Then they all hug or say "just kidding" but they do not sound like they are just kidding to me. They all must be driving each other nuts. I think Amy's lucky to be leaving. |
Tootseug | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:48 pm     Strkaholic, yes, Roddy says those things. He says them to everyone. Just listen to him interact with people. He is a real politician. Makes him very good for this game. |
Aria | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:48 pm     Tootseug, I totally see what you are talking about. I have noticed a few things that Roddy has done that send up the red flag for me. In my opinion, some of the things he says and does are outright disrespectful to Chiara. By the way Tootseug, I commend you on your bravery starting this thread! (Aria is now ducking for cover! LOL!) |
Texastillie | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:53 pm     In addition to the small, personal comments Roddy has been making about Chiara, I do not think Roddy and Chiara trust each other where the game is concerned (as they shouldn't). Competitors in a game like this probably have a very hard time in the romance department. They are bound to wonder if they are just being played and what about after the game. Doubts. Do you think they are ready to forget about the money and focus on each other? I don't - not Roddy. He still needs to work on a strategy to win. That will mean cutting Chiara out. I don't think he will nominate her for eviction but I do believe he would vote to evict Chiara. |
Keiffer | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:55 pm     It is very difficult to get a good read on Roddy and Chiara. They like to do this joke thing were they say something that is upsetting them, but in a joke way. 99% of the time I think they are really into each other, and are having a great time. Just once and awhile it seems there is some trouble brewing under the surface. Then about 2 minutes later it is already blown over. I still don't think they have as much a chance as Eric and Lisa in making a real outside world thing, but I also get the feeling that if Roddy and Chiara don't make they will end up good friends. For sure I think it is too early to tell. The jury is still out. |
Sunriverose | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:55 pm     So, if serious minded folks are still around, here is what I think about this topic: First of all, this IS a game. Integrity does not play a role in winning 500K. Gamesmanship does. I'm not sure who is the biggest "player", Roddy or Chiara. But the person whom I feel is most at risk for pain is Chiara. I really hope that she is just playing Roddy to further her goals because if she is not, and if she is sincerely interested in Roddy, she will surely get her heart broken. Chiara's life is in turmoil. I suspect Roddy's is not. Ya all know that this kind of thing happens all of the time. A rather accomplished man meets a conflicted and unsettled young woman and is drawn to her on some level. Then as he becomes aware of all of the drama in her life, he backs away. |
Keiffer | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:59 pm     Texas the only way that Roddy would vote CHiara out is if for some reason she was up against Eric. Even if that happened and Lisa was still in the house they would do that split the vote thing, and "let the house decide". But there is no other person Roddy has a better connection with, and I don't think he would place a vote for her eviction against any other HG. |
Cute1073 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:00 pm     Well, I tend to look for the horse rather than the zebra I don't think that Roddy has got some devious plan to use Chiara. In his past stories about his life he talks about how he forgives girlfriends a lot (for worse things like cheating) and tries to be patient and understanding. I tend to believe him...his actions display those beliefs. He does get frustrated with kiki but then makes a point of telling her his feelings and tries to work it out. I personally at first couldn't believe that those two stayed together this long but they both seem to like debating things and are both very stubborn. When i listen to Roddy talk about Kiki when she's not there, the only negative thing i've ever heard was that she's too emotional (for the game) and he told her about that. When she asked to stay in the hoh room, Roddy couldn't believe that she didn't know that night time is his favorite because he spends it with her, and wouldn't want her anywhere else. He also is very aware of her feelings and if she looks down will always go over and hug her and act silly to cheer her up. These are all clues that add up to the fact they are attracted to eachother in a way that has nothing to do with the game IMO ps i'll stick around for a bit but if it gets mean, i'm outta here |
Texastillie | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:03 pm     If the rather accomplished man who meets the conflicted, unsettled young woman backs away when he becomes aware of all the drama in her life, is he a cad or is he using good sense? Since these people have only known each other for 3 weeks, do you feel they have some obligation to each other? If Roddy decides he doesn't want to be romantically involved with Chiara (even though Chiara does want to be involved), is he being a jerk? Just food for thought. |
Cute1073 | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:04 pm     I agree about the game tho....I don't think he'd put her up or vote for her unless it was Eric...and then that whole split vote thing would come to play but i don't think they have total trust when it comes to the game...and uneasy alliance in that respect....makes it darn hard to carry on a 'relationship' at the same time i would think |
Tootseug | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:06 pm     lol, thanks you Aria. You are right on the "red flag" thing. And I agree, he is disrespectful to her. It feels like he rolls out the carpet for her, and then tugs, little by little at the edges, hoping she'll tip. So far she is catching herself, but my point is that, he's gonna pull and tug, till she falls. And then..hopefully, she will have had enough. (his thoughts) Then when she starts to looks in Jason's direction, it is HER choice. And if the timing is right, he may actually have the "opportunity to blame Chiara, and vote her out, before she knows what hit her. But Chiara, would go out not feeling mad at Roddy because he will have manipulated her into thinking that it was her fault that they broke up. Because she had designs on Jason. And because it was "her fault", she can now vote FOR Roddy, in the final 2, to win. |
Keiffer | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:07 pm     I'm not sure CHiara has enough conflict in her life to scare away most men. If she is falling for you, and leaves behind the real estate guy (she seems liekly to do that), then you eliminate the one problem. The other problem just means that you have to do the driving when you go places while her liscense is suspended. Either thing seems very easy to overcome if you like a woman. The only reason it wouldn't work out is because when real life bill paying, work to go to, and other real life commitments are injected into the relationship then there could be problems. |
Azriel | Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:15 pm     Texastille -If Roddy decides he doesn't want to be romantically involved with Chiara (even though Chiara does want to be involved), is he being a jerk? I wouldn't think he was a jerk, exactly. I think that he started his involvement with Chiara because he realized that the producers expected them to 'hook up' and Chiara was the girl that he was most physically attracted to and whose personality meshed with his the best. I think that he has begun to worry that Chiara is more involved in the relationship than he is and he doesn't want to look like a jerk, but he is getting tired of her. Time will tell, Cute. You can tell us 'I told you so' if we are wrong, but I really don't think that Roddy is as serious about this relationship as Chiara. |
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