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Ryanc2002

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Only - I understand, but as I said earlier I don't handle pity parties well. I was impressed by her conversation with Roddy though. She seems to be facing her demons.

Onlyhuman

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bernie, I'd agree with you completely, except that I remember A LOT of people complaining about bashing on the board last year and the year before. I think it's just a natural instinct, to discuss and analyze and try to undersatnd what we are seeing. I also think it touches our emotions, both positive and negative, but instead of owning those emotions or feeling, we put them on to the HGs. So, when we get angry or frustrated, instead of saying that, we say that so and so is a B*tch. I think the HGs do the same thing in the house. They are feeling stressed and angry, but instead of internalizing that, they start looking for targets to express those feelings about.

But I completely agree about the lack of friendship. One of the reasons I turned on the feed tonight was because I wanted to watch Marcellus & Amy, because I honestly thought that, even though they can be catty, they have fun and enjoy each other's company. I was not prepared for Marcellus to appear to turn on Amy. That made the night VERY difficult for me.

Off2cthwizrd

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a note before I go to bed...

Somebody earlier mentioned that they didn't feel sorry for anyone for getting their butts kicked when they put themselves in this situation (meaning - the game).

I understand the opinion, but I see it differently. Nobody REALLY knew what this game was going to be like when they started it...especially now that we have found out that many of the houseguests were "recruited" rather than accepted by application. Maybe it does turn out to be too much for some. Getting a butt kicked in a game is far different (in my thinking) than to keep kicking that butt when the person is already aware that the game is over for them.

...just thinking outloud - and hoping it made sense...

Ryanc2002

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregon - FYI, you inspired me to start a new thread.

Cute1073

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
wow, listening to Amy talk to Roddy tonight made me find a new respect for her. I have great respect for anyone that can admit their mistakes. I understand venting which Amy admits she was doing now, and she says she realizes now she was being mean. I respect that she can admit that she was feeling scared and being mean was her defense mechanism.
Its too bad she had to be drinking to admit it.

Oregonfire

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Ryan, I know you try to do the right thing!

Oregonfire

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I respect that Amy can analyze herself, but she is not the first to do it. Josh has also admitted his mistakes quite vocally, only he did it soon enough to maybe keep himself in the game. She doesn't want everyone to hate her, which I think is the real motivation for the self-analysis. She went on about the diary room tapes and how she said some terrible things. She is afraid to come back at the end after most of the others have seen the tapes. She is motivated by fear, IMO. She was quickly forgiven and admired by Roddy because she told him what he wanted to hear (self-flagellating comments), and she is cute, which seems to be the motivating factor behind why most folks forgive her.

These are all very human motivations, traits, and behaviors. Fear, pride, and vanity. Nothing new here folks.

Wcv63

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy was working that conversation. His reason was to cultivate Amy for the end vote. Amy's reasons were because she wants to be liked. She wants to be accepted. She wants to feel embraced by a group.

Roddy may have some sincerity behind his actions. But believe me, he is so working on his endgame.

Oregonfire

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They are *all* working it, within the context of the game and without. And who doesn't want to be liked? Gerry does, Josh does, they all do. There are very few people who don't. That need in and of itself doesn't warrant any special merit in my book. We all like to be fed, clothed, and have a roof over our heads as well. But we have to work for those things (okay usually), just like you have to work to be liked.

IMO, Amy has a lot more assets toward being liked than Gerry or Josh, as has been demonstrated by her massive following on this board. She had an advantage to start with because of being funny and cute. But she didn't want to play the game with everyone, just a select few. That's game suicide in BB3. Some can look on her standoffish behavior as something to denote pride and self-respect; others can see it as a matter of being snooty and selfish. The end result is the same: she didn't cultivate the friendships that she needed to, and she will most likely be going home because if it.

Ryanc2002

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregon - Well said.

The Houseguests who say, I won't change myself to win the money sort of frustrate me. When they say that my only thought is: Good for you, but you're probably not going to win.

Katrina

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Of course, 91.7% of them aren't going to win, so how much of yourself is worth throwing down the drain in the pursuit of the 8.3% win?

Mrdisguise

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
some of you go on about how disappointed and sad you are that Marcellas and the houseguests are trashing Amy when she is in this vulnerable state. But I bet that if you were in the house, you would be trashing Amy too. It is sort of like a group mentality thing. And if you were around a drunk person, wouldn't you be annoyed too?

Marcellas loves Amy like a sister but I think that he is disappointed to see her acting drunk or being selfish or self-centred, or not listening to his stories or not voting for his way or not voting out Josh. His disappointment results in snide comments.

Mrdisguise

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
someone mentioned that they liked BB1 because the people were nicer. There were some bad moments in BB1- like Jordan crying all the time because she was nominated, Will Mega getting into arguments or trashing people, Karen accusing Curtis of nominating her and refusing to speak to him, Eddie getting drunk, Josh and Curtis getting drunk, Chicken George losing his mind.

Mystery

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kappy said: "Go back through this thread and it was a ChiChi-lover/Amy-hater who brought Chiara into this, not Amy supporters."

Kappy, you were so right! There are people on these boards who come into conversations about other HGs only to put that particular HG down and make points about different HGs that they happen to like. I don't even read posts by those people anymore; there are so many posts that I know I'll never get through all of them in a day, so I don't bother with the ones that rarely -- if ever -- add something constructive to a thread.

I don't like to see anyone, HG or not, get drunk and rambling but I think that Amy's way of handling this situation (the way they have told her they plan to evict her unanimously) works for her. Another person (me, for example! :) ) would be using these last few days to say awful things about all the people who were planning to evict me.

Mack

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know if the people in BB1 were really any nicer. The whole dynamic of BB1 was so completely different that it's difficult to compare with the subsequent seasons. While the HG's did nominate individuals for eviction it really kind of ended there with the public voting out an individual. Once a nominee got over the idea of being nominated they really played to the TV audience in terms of trying to stay. The strategy was to be nice and not get nominated and alliances were weak and somewhat useless at best. And, whether by design or not, it quickly became a HG's versus BB reality show. BB got smart in BB2 and really got the pressure and focus off of BB. All in all BB1 was the "Brady Bunch" compared to BB2 and BB3.

Loriwillwin

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellus doesn't surprise me at all! Talk about wanting to be liked, and having low self-esteem. Marcellus could write the book. He himself has expressed that he loves to be in the in-crowd. Look how he turned on Gerry, and I didn't think Gerry deserved disloyalty from him. He turns on Amy because he wants to be a pleaser! He gives detailed descriptions of the gay sex act in response to the girls' questions (obviously, they're looking for titillation), because he wants to be a pleaser! Bunky never did that, even when similarly prodded.

I could care less if Marc gets voted out this week. For the power group, voting him out when they have the chance would be a whole lot smarter than picking on Amy.

Draheid

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I tried to keep up with this thread but became so frustrated with all the bashing going on (and not just Amy bashing, mind you) that I shut off the computer and went to bed last night.

Now, my question to anyone that wants to answer: Has there ever been anyone in the house at any time, prior to the nomination speech by Roddy, that has taken Amy aside and discussed this unanimous perception that she was selfish, self-centered, etc.? And that that perception could, and ultimately did, prove to be her undoing in the house?

I get so frustrated at all the talking everyone does about everyone else, yet none of these people have the wherewithall to actually go to the person and identify the problem so the person with the problem can try to correct it. Well, except when Lori forced the group early on to confront Gerry about his hygiene, but even that required Lori to get into it with Danielle and that was apparently Lori's undoing as well.

Personally, I like Amy a lot. She reminds me of a lot of people I've known in my life and I can certainly both sympathize and empathize with her and where she is right now.

I hope she is able to handle all that's ahead of her.

I also asked a question early in this thread and don't think I ever got an answer: Does anyone know the status of siblings for the various houseguests (ie 'only child' or siblings during their childhood)? What effect does this childhood bring to their actions/attitudes/interactions in the house??

Crawling back into the woodwork now so I can see what responses I get...

Oregonfire

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have no idea about the first part--if anybody took her aside and said as much about her selfish ways. Again, Amy has a healthy self-esteem, and I think she'll be just fine.

What I'd really like to see is this outpouring and outcry for empathy and sympathy extended to the other HGs, who have be nothing but shredded and villified from day one around here. Compassion is empty if it's not extended to the very least of us, which I don't think these HGs are to begin with in my opinion. Saying in one breath that Amy deserves every ounce of human compassion but that Chiara and the other HGS deserve no pity or human kindness because of sex talk is so unbalanced that I can't believe some of the better minds around here don't see it.

The sympathetic sounds for everyone's favorite pouty Southerner fall deaf on these ears. She's getting way more than the situation warrants as it is. It's like feeling sorry for Cindy Crawford for having a mole.

Ryanc2002

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Katrina - It's a game, and I'm not going to worry about some moral play that I'm changing who I am for the sake of money. I'm there to win the money, nothing else. You have to pretend to like people you hate to win, pretend to like people who absolutely disgust you to win. You have to do whatever it takes, no matter how untrue to your true self you become. The key word here is "pretend", if you were to hang out with those people on the outside, or do those things on the outside, that would be changing who you are. After the game is over you go out and do damage control and say "You know what? It was all for the game. You didn't see who I am in there, you saw me playing to win the game." Hell, if you're that worried about it do damage control in the diary room. Tell the people in the diary room how much you're playing everyone else and pretending to befriend them. If you piss those people off afterwords when they view the tapes, oh well, you were there to play a game and win money, not to make friends.

Battlestar

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregan---they'll all have their turn for our empathy, but right now seeing that Amy is not long of this BB world, I guess it is her turn

Ryanc2002

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just an addition now that I've went back and thought about it. If you use the DR to tell the producers how much you're playing those that you don't like you're basically playing for second place because you don't have a snowballs chance in hell at getting the votes in the end.

Loppes

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy tries too hard, and her bad side tends to come out. Everyone has one.
Lon

Wcv63

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Not necessarily Ryan. Will did that very thing in the DR and walked away with first place. Honesty in the DR may earn the respect of the jury. Then again, it may all depend on how much they dislike the person in the number 2 spot.

Hardywins

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm glad, now, that my isp's server crashed last night before they were out of the DR. The rest seems to have been a downward spiral.

Wcv63

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Draheid:
I have heard Roddy mention that he is the "baby" in his family. He talked of an older married brother.
I know Amy has siblings but don't know her birth order.
Chiara has one brother. I think he's older.
I know Jason has one older brother. Not sure about other siblings.
Don't know about Lisa, Danielle, Josh and Gerry

Cute1073

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63, but Will was honest about what he was doing the entire time. He told them in the house he was lying and then confirmed it in the DR, so maybe the bashing he did along with that admission was more easily excused.
Amy is always nice to people's FACES she admitted last night. She thinks its better to backstab. There are people on the thread that complained that no one went to Amy to give her feedback about her selfishness, did amy go to Chiara and mention, 'hey...i've been saying that you're a wh*re, so I thought I'd just let you know and maybe you should stop.' There are just some things that you don't tell people. But I do believe that if for some bizarre reason Amy made it to the end, she would be second simply because she has been quite nasty in the DR but nice to people's faces.


And maybe contrary to some people's belief, I do not think that saying these things about Amy is 'bashing her'

Kapow

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just reviewed this board (as I am an admitted Amy supporter). My take is that none of these men or women are better or worse than the other. No one deserves pity. They all chose to be on a show that shows their every move 24/7. Every person came into the house with their own strengths and weaknesses. Chiara talks trashy - most likely insecurity. Amy drinks too much - most likely insecurity. Tonya was "ho - ish' - insecurity. Josh is obnoxious and too loud - insecurity. You could go on with each HG. They all trash each other and no one is better or worse than the rest for doing it. Even sweet Jason is ugly at times. It is a GAME! I can't draw tears for people who are playing the way they think is best - they may be wrong (i.e. Lori), but they are trying to PLAY!

Sure, Amy drank a lot at the dinner. Didn't many of us at her age? Haven't most of us grown up and over that by now without any lifelong counseling/addiction issues? If I were her, and thought I was going out for certain, I would probably live it up and tell people how I really felt, rather than being nice and telling all I loved them. That would not mean I am in need of serious help - just letting my hair down. Amy is to be commended for being a happy drunk IMHO. I have seen alot worse. I am NOT condoning excessive consumption of alcohol, but rather recognize it as "youthful indiscretion". We forgive the Bush girls....

Bernie

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 11:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just came back to this thread to apologise for not responding and continuing the convo the other night, because right after I made my post about this group of HG's being bad news, my computer froze and all I could do was close Explorer-and now I see that Hardywins lost his connection too!
Maybe we have the same server, Hardywins ;-)

At the time I was annoyed, but in retrospect, I needed the break.
It was a very draining night, and it's very easy to lose one's perspective, but, that said, I still feel that this group is the least pleasant of the three BBs, in the backstabbing department.

From now on, I'm going to try VERY HARD not to let them get to me, be detached, and tell myself it's only a game, played on the stage of the BB house, and all the men and women [are] merely players, to quote from the immortal bard.
[It's necessary for my health ]

Cute1073

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 12:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
good idea Bernie...i have made the same pledge...it helps to take a step back and remember this is all a game show. I find them all very amusing now and really don't have pity for any of them. They did all choose to be here, and it's not like this is the first year the show has been on. Also I was thinking...it's not like the're here to make friends. I'm sure they all have tonz of friends on the outside so I don't think we should feel sorry for any of them, except I do feel sorry for those who are evicted this early and have to spend the rest of the summer sequestered!!!!!

Maris

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 12:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point Cute. I'm also trying to see how mcuh I can wean myself this week. I have to admit I'm leaning to turning my live feeds back on this evening.