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Meggieprice

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 05:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I heard it also- and he also said he was just stating what he knew to be true from a friend of his, that there are still some pharmacies that will not sell alcohol to American Indians- and he realized it would sound racist...and then Dani pointed out he had already made some awfully racist jokes about African Americans (the one about children's hair and bouncing on the bed and velcro on the ceiling-yuck). He said that wasn't the same because it's ok to tell racist jokes abhout your own race. I really did not hear it said in a malicious way. Although if anyone might possible know some trivia about rubbing alcohol (which it seems to me couldn'tpossibly be drunk anyway-poison, no?)its Mr. Germ Phobe who filled his luggage with bottles of it!

Lauword

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy is going. Rod has to make sure of that so he can cement Chi's cooperation and most probably to just stop her whining and insecure behavior. I have enjoyed watching Amy & Marc more than any of the other houseguests and I think Amy is hilarious, but I have to agree that w/out Marc in the house, she would only self destruct. I sure hope for revenge next week, perhaps Chi & Lisa nominated?

Cyn

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
on to the subject at hand, if mar isn't careful he could still go and who wins bb3.

if roddy really thinks about winning, he will eliminate mar. he would never win out over mar if it were him he stood against.

because amy is a wild card she could be manipulated and taken out at any time in the next rounds. taking out mar will weaken the dani alliance and this is their opportunity to do it. but, of course, i don't believe this will happen.

Draheid

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cyn: Your entry that you referrenced above is (Cyn's Post) however there is another poster covering the same conversation just before that (Meggieprice's Post).

The reason I point to both of these postings is that, after reading each of the accounts of the conversation, IMHO, I don't think Marcellas was intending anything racist by the comments, just an observation that this happens in a particular place and what the reaction of the native americans/indians (whichever you prefer) is to the rule.

I would even go so far as to speculate that he was bringing it up in the context that he, Marcellas, thinks it's bizarre. I may be way off base here, but again, IMHO, I don't think it was meant to be degrogatory at all.

Orwellsvision

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It does seem as if Marcellus has become a bit too cocky the past few days. But then, it DOES appear that everyone is sticking with the plan to evict Amy instead of him. Still, I'm wondering if Marc's new, "confident" attitude won't come back to bite him in the butt as the game progresses... The more he allows himself to cop this 'tude, the bigger target for later eviction he becomes.

Agree/Disagree?

Curlyq

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know if I agree with the "too cocky" theory because it seems like the houseguests prefer the nominees to act "cool" rather than insecure. These people seem to have zero tolerance for anyone who gets upset at being nominated, so they probably are happier that Marcellas isn't pouting or withdrawing or just generally acting "whacko" (as Tonya used to say).

Josh's insecurity on the other hand seems to be turning them off. They keep talking about wanting him out because of it. I think more confidence would've served him well.

Wendo

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why did Marcellas just tell Chiara not to put up Roddy with Josh if she gets HOH???!!! That had to be one of the DUMBEST moves I've ever seen him do. Going against what he, Ja and Dan discussed in clique. I'm utterly confused...

Cliotheleo

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I KNOW Wendo!!! I'm sitting her CRINGING listening to him!!!!

And I don't get Chi's strategy anyway, has she not been paying attention? Why would she put up Roddy? The pawn thing is not working!!!

I mean, not that I would MIND for her to put him up, that would be great, but still.......

Ziggystardust

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think he went against it, he wants to solidify a "relationship" with Roddy, Danielle said they dont want to "play" the game just yet and you know if Jay is up, he won't go

Wcv63

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe it's a counter-strategy because Marc KNOWS that Chiara is going to bring his words back to Roddy. He has to know that Chiara will never align with anyone outside the "couples".

Planting false information is a valid strategy. I just hope that is what he is doing.

Ziggystardust

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now that I think about it, he may have said to much - by saying that roddy might go is basically saying that gerry, dani, and jay might vote him out, thereby planting the seed that you got to watch out for them - hmmm, I hope marc didn't just ruin it for the others.

Wendo

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I'm wondering if Marcellas is still playing the game on a personal level. He continues to harp on Josh, how he wants him out, and how he DOES NOT want him standing as one of the final two.

Though, it could've been for Chiara's benefit; perhaps we'll gleen more info if he has a chance to talk with Dan and he brings it up.

But, he certainly seemed to go out of his way to warn her against putting Roddy up with Josh.

Wendo

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ziggy, that's what I was thinking too. He just seemed to say too much, indicating that Rod would be in trouble b/c he'd be voted out. It allows for Chiara to wonder about Ger, Dan, and Ja. I think he just BLEW it.

Bmh

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Damn..and I thought Gerry was stupid..Marcie just blew his,dani's,and jason's cover..now chiara knows she cant put up Roddy and will put up Jason with Josh if she gets HOH..if Marcie just kept his mouth shut..Chiara stupidly would have put Roddy and Josh up and Roddy would have went..dang that sux..well looks like it will be a predictable week after all expect to see Gerry or Josh walking out next week..which isn't a bad thing..but I was kind of wishing for some more suspense

Ziggystardust

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually don't think the clique would take out roddy if he was against josh, I think they wanted to take out josh because they have a feeling he's on roddy's side, or they can't trust him for votes or with information. I think danielle is playing a patient game and figures there is still some time before she has to blow her cover.

Bmh

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I dont think it matters anymore because Marcie still wants Josh out..and if I heard it correctly on the LF's..Marcie and Chiara agreed to put up Josh and Jason if they won HOH..so it looks as though Josh is gone..

Curlyq

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Since when does Chiara discuss strategy with Marcellas? I don't have the feeds so I'm only judging based on what you all are describing, but if I'm understanding correctly this just doesn't add up.

Personally, I see Chiara as just an extension of Roddy at this point. She's his ears. Whatever Marcellas tells her he is really telling Roddy. I'm betting this was a fishing expedition. Roddy probably wants to know who Marcellas will put up if he wins HOH, so Marcellas made a good answer. Maybe Roddy just wanted reassurance that it's safe to keep Marcellas this week, and that he won't come after him for revenge.

As for Chiara figuring out that Marcellas was saying Jason and Danielle would vote out Roddy, you may be giving her a little too much credit. I don't think she'll realize that, at least not without Roddy's help.

Wendo

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ziggy, the clique agreed two nights ago that if Josh was up with either Rod or Eric, they wouldn't vote out Josh, but one of the strong guys. However, Mar just blew that out of the water. Big tactical error imo by Mar.

Bmh, ditto, Mar is still playing the game personally rather than objectively. If he were objective, he'd see Rod for the threat he is.

These people change their minds daily! LOL!

Ziggystardust

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As you say yourself curlyQ, she is an extension of Roddy and she has already told him about the convo she had with marcellus (with plans to continue it later) he'll figure it out - if he hasn't already

Meggieprice

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't you all think that anyone who is thinking at all would know that Roddy is not safe? He is in power, he's one of the strongest players by far, he's smart...I don't think Marc has to tell Chia for her to know that Roddy is one of the major targets for everyone. I'm just a little disappointed in Marc because I am worried he'll blow his cover and be voted out!

Wendo

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Curly, I agree, I do think Chi was fishing. But not for strategy, she was fishing for whether he'd vote Josh out or not. And, I don't doubt that Mar knows that Chi is Roddy's ears. However, he spilled TOO much. He did not follow Dan's advice about being subtle and not comitting. A good answer would've been, oh, yeah, I'll make the right vote if Josh is on the block. Instead, he specifically told her, don't put up Rod with Josh b/c he could get knocked out. So, he's either stringing along Dan and ignored her advice, or he flubbed big time by running off at the mouth. Hopefully, more conversation/strategy talk will happen tonight.

Meggieprice

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sigh. I don't like what I am hearing (just missed it myself on the feeds...) -sounds from what you are all saying that he did blow it. I had such high hopes for the clique. Wow- this next hoh is seeming more and more important!

btw, I can't say I blame Marc too much for wanting Josh out even when it isn't good strategy. I share that flaw myself.

Bmh

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ya..and now that Marcie basically revealed to Chi he still hates Josh and wants him out..what is he gonna do if he gets HOH?..he will become a target if he doens't nominate Josh so I definitely think he is letting his emotions control him and it looks more and more like Josh is screwed
Because if Lisa,Chiara,Eric,and probably Marcie get HOH then they will nomiante Josh and maybe Jason??..cuz I heard chi/marc saying sumtin about puttin jay up
I think Marcellas screwed up..I dont think he meant to blow the alliance

Kappy

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 09:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"If Marc isn't careful, he could still go." Whatever happened to voting off the biggest threat to win? And wouldn't that be Marc?" I'm hoping Marc is playing everyone in all of these convos and not being played himself. But more and more, I'm not going to believe the vote will be unanimous until I actually hear it on Thursday. Remember, these people have told their 'best' friends before which way they were going to vote and then didn't. And because of that, yeah ~ I do see where Marc could still go.

OT for Truly: My favorite memory was how they got their weather and traffic report each day, lol!