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Earthmother

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What about George Wallace? This was a very highly educated man and one of the most racist people in American politics. Education and intelligence are not the same thing. Was it Josh who made the statement early in the game about a college education being proof of intelligence? I don't remember but one of them alluded to this and I thought hmmmmm someone hadn't heard of Alexander Graham Bell or many others who never went to college but were the most intelligent people in American history.

Katrina

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So true. It's clear they haven't recruited for raw intelligence. Otherwise the others would never let Encyclopedia Man Roddy spout off endlessly like that. He doesn't want intelligent conversation; he just wants to play "I Know I'm the Smartest Guy Here."

I love that thread title "Things Roddy Is An Expert On". Very funny!

Truman

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, those unreliable,uneven volume feeds tend to distort the voice transmissions and give listeners heart burn! This RODDY controversy is a good example!

She thought she heard him say "that filthy monkey...that stinking ape." Listen more closely. And think about the context. Roddy Mancuso's father may be a New Jersey Italian-American, but his mother is a very proud Lebanese woman. In homage to his maternal side, all Roddy's screenplays have focused on life in Beirut. In telling Eric about his current writer's block, he mentioned a main character, Cotcho, the filthy donkey and the stinking grape that he ate which made him ill. Eric was not following the story line and was grateful for Danielle's intrusion.

Truman

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 10:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
PS...almost forgot...FYI: I think it's obvious that the old bartender on Cheers' character may have been based on Roddy's father, as his accent was definitely more Joisey than Bawstan...wasn't he Ernie Mancuso?...hmmmmm

Lurknomore

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 11:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Trust me on this...everyone in Boston had a serious problem with the alleged "accents" on Cheers. They really needed a speech coach.

Snee

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
whether roddy was referring to dani or josh and whether it was racist or not, those were nasty epithets. i'm finding the name-calling on this show disturbing. i don't remember it in bb1 or 2...am i just forgetful?

as far as intelligence and education in regard to racism goes, i think that people can be intelligent about some things and not others and educated about some things and not others. i believe that racism stems from ignorance and fear (which often evolve into hatred).

Maryann

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 03:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Toolhound, I don't know what you mean by your comment. I mean, I know what you're thinking but it's not a valid thing to say.
A lot of folks have dark hair and eyes and a New York accent.
Looking and listening to Josh I figure that one could take him for Lebanese,Palestinian,Italian..
lots of different ethnicities. Even a lot of Irish
folks have dark hair and eyes from the Spanish Armada.
Roddy has issues. He's a good looking guy and he seems bright (not as bright as he thinks,though..I don't think he's any smarter than Jason or Gerry or Lori..)
but some of his comments make him unlikable to me..that and I honestly think that he doesn't really LIKE women...I think that Marcellus likes women better than Roddy.

Riviere

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 03:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Some of the most intelligent (both genders) seem to have issues of self superiority that includes looking down on race and religion. I've also pegged Roddy as a guy a woman in this game can't trust, but Josh takes the cake, many times he puts the BB game in an us vs them light, saying he can 'control' Amy. He's too dumb to know his so called male pals are gunning for him, too? I don't watch feeds but whether Roddy made this comment re Josh or Dani, it was crass to say, at the least, and IF he gets to the finals I hope the jury sees it. Roddy is booksmart but quite ignorant or just callous in many ways, like the buffoon Chicken Man of BB1 always taunting Josh about whether he was gay. As they say, it only takes once for a fool to shoot off his mouth and show the world who he is inside, aye?

Hunter

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 04:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jasons first.

Is it intelligent to flat out label police officers or any group of people as racists and ignorant.

Victoriafla

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I listened to the Lf feeds last night but I wasn't around when this conversation was going on.That's why I like to read a variety of Live feeds because what one gets one may miss. I have to turn my spreakers up very loud because sometimes there is a lot of whispering, I think I may buy some head phones this week. I don't doubt this happened at all. You probably did hear it.

Jville

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The world is divided into people who think they are right.

Jasons_First

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Is it intelligent to flat out label police officers or any group of people as racists and ignorant".

Hunter,
I think (at least I thought) it was obvious I was talking about MY experiences with these people ONLY. I obviously haven't had experiences with every cop in America but they aren't exactly "brains" personified. There was a court case in Ohio (I think) where a man sued the police department because he was told (after taking his test) that he was TOO INTEELIGENT to be a cop. So, I guess I'm just going by what cops think of themselves.

Bigd

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 09:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am convinced that Josh is Jewish. I am not convinced that anyone in the house is bias about the Jewish issue, the black issue, or the gay issue except maybe the Jewish person the black person or the gay person. I say "issue" because I have not seen any real issue of racism. Even though Gerry brought it up, I wasn't convinced it was anything more than a strategy on his part. I have been pleased that they have all treated each other as equal human beings. What I have noticed is they can be cruel (all of them) to one another regardless of race issues.

I think cops are extremely intelligent and deserve to be respected as such, and that perhaps we should all remember that even cops are people and are subject to the same "stupid human moments" as anyone else. BTW, I am not a cop, I am not related to any cops, I have only dealt with them when they are dealing with my son when he has chosen to get on the wrong side of the law.

Spunky

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh told everyone he's Jewish but he said in a way that implied Gerry (the listener) was a racist. He almost invited a quarrel with him.
Gerry should have told him, "I don't care if you're Jewish, to me you're just another houseguest I'm trying to beat". But we've seen he's not the smartest teacher ....

Hunter

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason-First

Sorry to hear that you have had enough contact with the bad and ignorant police officers to have formed that opinion. If that's the case then you have every reason to feel the way you do. Many people do.

God knows there are people in uniform who are bigoted and ignorant, as it is in the rest of society. You might even know a few .

I think I also read about the guy in Ohio not being hired because his test scores were too high,in his opinion. Could it have been related to the fact that there were other hiring considerations other than test scores. If it simply a case of him being too intelligent, then the hiring personal are idiots

Most law enforcement agencies require at least a two year college degree...some a bachelors. Many officers I know are graduate students, working on law degrees.

As a police officer of 17 yrs it sickens me to see an officer abuse someone. The majority of police officers feel the same way I do, because we know very well that there are people who will paint all of us with the same brush. Our job is made more difficult because of them. Police officers can only be effective if they have the trust and respect of the community they work in. It always hurts when the majority are judged by a few.

Jasons-First

I can assure you that there are many honorable and intelligent police officers,in your community, who are putting their lives and reputations on the line every day, who would give up their lives to save...yours. I hope you have the opportunity to meet them.

God bless and take care of you

Abbynormal

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Who do you think solves crimes?

Reader234

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said Hunter. I just wonder also if it takes a special personality to be a police, or fire fighter. Both are public servants, and have a lot of stress, and both (obviously as I think there are other occupations that fit this too!) are not the highest paying occupations, (which somehow society equates with respect!)

It has also been an observation of mine that due to many factors, many also tend to have a control issue, they tend to need to be in control in their professional careers to stay alive, and I think many (of course not all!) dont know how to shut off the control aspect, it can be iratating to those of us who think we deserve to be in control once in awhile!!

Anyway, thank you Hunter for your perspective, I dont an anyway mean to deduce you seem to be a control freak!!

And God Bless You also!! :)

Snee

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 02:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yes, well said hunter. (you do seem like a very nice guy. *smile*)

this snee is a teacher and, like police officers and People In General, there are good ones and ones who make the rest look bad. further to what hunter said, it sickens me when other teachers make racist/sexist remarks. (there are ways we deal with it, just so you know.) it hurts to be judged by the actions of those few crummy ones.

my, what a tangent this thread has taken. anyway, i hope we have mistaken what roddy said. if we haven't i hope it was about 'planet of the apes'!

Jasons_First

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 03:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi Hunter,
You said:

"I think I also read about the guy in Ohio not being hired because his test scores were too high,in his opinion".

It wasn't just his opinion, it was the opinion of personnel. He had the letter sent to him by personnel to prove it. Otherwise, I would have hoped he was lying. Hard to believe, but since you know the story I'm talking about, you know it's true.


"Most law enforcement agencies require at least a two year college degree...some a bachelors. Many officers I know are graduate students, working on law degrees"

I know these are new requirements put in place because abuse is so rampant. They hope that education will make a big difference. The last time I vacationed in L.A, it was just now becoming a requirement to have at least an associates degree. My local police force started the rule just 2 years ago as well. Previously, the only ones who had to have degrees were detectives, right?


"As a police officer of 17 yrs it sickens me to see an officer abuse someone. The majority of police officers feel the same way I do, because we know very well that there are people who will paint all of us with the same brush. Our job is made more difficult because of them. Police officers can only be effective if they have the trust and respect of the community they work in. It always hurts when the majority are judged by a few".


I am happy you're not one of the bad ones. The only encounters I've had have been traffic stops and they treat you like a "dumb broad" before you even open your mouth. It is the ones LIKE YOU (and like you ONLY) I'm happy to have on the forces across America. Since the majority aren't bad, why is the blue wall of silence still a problem? How come the good ones don't turn on the bad ones? It is just too much of a fraternity IMO. To me, nothing good ever comes out of a fraternity. I equate it with college frats and high school cliques. That is why alot of citizens no longer respect the police. Doesn't mean we go out and do bad stuff!! I don't have a record and I avoid interaction, at all costs but I still don't respect the majority of them.

Anyway, thanks for your comments and I look forward to your answer! God Bless You as well :)

Amylousc

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 04:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Roddy is indeed a writer, as he claimed. I bet he writes for some psychological journal or something.

He is very good at psychobabble ramblings.

Stargazer

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason's__first
I think in places where the blue wall exist is because it's a profession unlike many others. One day you may have to depend on that person to save your life. There was a show on where one cop talked. That cop came upon a situation where he called for backup. The backup was the cop he had told on. The backup purposely did not show up on time and the other cop was killed. I never worked with anyone who did anything that needed to be told on but I'm thinking that maybe years ago these things went through other's minds before going into internal affairs. Just a thought as I don't know. I don't know about Hunter's area but our detectives did not need a college degree. Most had evidence type classes through the sheriff academy. We all, including the officers attended classes at the academy to obtain certificates. Even though I wrote reports and dusted for fingerprints, I had to obtain my arrest, search and seizure certificate with firearms. Personally after taking a lot of criminal justice type classes at college I learned more on the job then I did in school. It's definitely no fun getting pulled over, it happened to me a few months ago. I didn't get a ticket but he was not overly nice LOL I just have to always remember that pulling someone over is one of the most dangerous times for an officer. When they have a call they know what they are going to but when they pull someone over, who knows what is in that car. I've always said I'd hate to be a highway patrolman. Very dangerous to me. I hope you find some officers that are nice and dedicated to their job. I know there are bad apples but it happens in every profession.

Mrdisguise

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Race is an issue in BB3.

Notice how everyone was approached for the "Josh alliance" except for Marcellas and Danielle. The alliance started with 6 people.

Josh, Gerry, Eric, Lisa, Chiara and Amy.
Then they abandoned Amy (they didn't like her) and Roddy was added to the alliance.
Lisa and Chiara wanted another female and Tonya was added to the alliance.
Gerry was kicked out of the alliance.
Josh approached Jason about the alliance. Jason asked Danielle if Josh talked to her about the alliance and Danielle said no.
Josh told Lori about the alliance and their plan to vote out Marcellas and that Lori was safe.

So everybody except for Marcellas and Danielle were approached for the "alliance". They are both African-Americans (coincidence??)

Marcellas was the first victim or scapegoat because he is visibly different from everyone else. he is a visible minority and gay-acting (talks in a stereotypically gay way- flamboyant, somewhat effeminate, drama queen)

Hunter

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason-First

By its very definition fraternal stands for...brotherly.

Fraternalism often gets a bad rap because people identify it with...Animal House...Hazing.

For the purpose of this discussion let me use. Brotherly or Sisterly.

People have been forming Frateral organizations since the early 1800s. On campus they form the basis for much of the social and political interaction of students. People with common interests or career goals form groups to act as a support mechanism.

Do they party...sure do...do they make asses of themselves at beer blasts....yep. Do they become involved as social activist...earn money for charatible organizations...leave endowments to further the growth and quality of universities. Without question.

My point is this. There is good and bad in every group on Gods good earth.

When the crap hits the fan we are all looking for someone to hold onto. Someone who knows and cares about us. Someone who knows our hurt, has felt our pain, cares about us as a person.

On a daily basis police officers working side by side are exposed to many fans and showered by much crap. For the most part they see people at their very worst. They are together watching people die...some times in their arms. They watch the devestation of lives by drugs and the abuse of women and children on a daily basis.

They ssometimes feel likes its them against the world. They work together, socialize together with officers families. Their lives are glued together by the badge...their love of the job and the fact that they rely on each other to virtually help keep them alive . It is a powerful bond.

Policework, by and large, is a thankless occupation (9/11 excepted.) Most of the recognition you will ever recieve is from your...peers. The guys who will kill themselves trying to get there to help you when the crap really hits the fan. Guys from other departments with one thing in common...the badge...the Brotherhood....the Thin Blue wall.

Is it right for officers to protect officers who make mistakes...certainly not...but...I understand it and hope it gives you a clear perspective of why they do it.

Friendly smile...Hunter