Archive through July 31, 2002
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Archive through July 31, 2002
Onlyhuman | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:30 am     Okay, that made me completely bawl and you all post way too fast for me to get my thoughts in as it went, so here they are all at once... First, I noticed in all their "praise" for Amy, they almost all managed to get in little dig about her selfishness or whatever other horrible flaw they feel she has. Second, I honestly think Chiara was being empathetic in this situation. Amy was being insecure (hello...mother issues, big time!!) which is something Chiara could easily relate to. I think Chiara realized that she would feel very similar if she was in Amy's situation and so she acted upon that. Good for her. Third, I still hate all of Marcellus' campaigning against her and his accusation, which he never took back, that she was campaigning against him. He went WAY down in my book (like he really cares...LOL) Finally, I realized tonight that every person, with the possible exception of Eric, thinks that it is okay to tell Amy how she should behave, think or feel. That really bothers me, since I don't consider any of them to have exhibited behavior worthy of emulating. They would all be PO'd if any of them were told what to do, but no one has had any problem insulting Amy directly to her face since Roddy announced at nomination that she was unworthy of being in the house. Can't wait to see Danielle's reation when Roddy issues his proclamation about her beer searching ways! |
Ryanc2002 | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:31 am     I don't care why Chiara did it, that doesn't matter, her reasoning for doing it doesn't change the fact that it made Amy feel better. Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is still doing the right thing IMHO. And Snee I agree, it's like "We love you. You're great, here's why you're great. Sorry, but you're out of here." |
Hardywins | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:31 am     Amy never had any business being in that house! I come from a small southern town too; the only times that a person is allowed to be in the newspaper is birth, marriage, and death. Any other media exposure such as a divorce, business failure or anything else is considered to be shamefully outrageous. That includes being an "actor" or on television. etc. Its a small town attitude from the last century but thats the way it is. Never thought I'd have any positive comment about Chiara; but, realizing that Amy is down and absolutely out; she did give her a going away present with the intervention. At least it was something. Chiara must have learned something in her group sessions in order to get her med script. The decent thing to do would be to have a group d/r meeting where everyone decides that the vote is 4 to 3 for Marci to stay and AMy to go. Announce that without the indy mug shots. |
Cute1073 | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:31 am     you're right snee.....There shouldn't be anything wrong with campaigning. I think Amy could have played it much better if she had tried or had even been playing the game with any skill. I think campagining becomes like an art. You have to be subtle, convince people in a way that doesn't piss anyone else off, including the other person nominated with you since you may one day need their vote Very tricky...I just don't think that Amy had the skills in this game to even begin to pull it off (that much was evident tonight!) |
Sisalou | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:36 am     *With runny nose and swollen eyes* I have to get on my soap box for just a minute. I whole heartedly agree with Seamonkey about others getting insight about themselves. Amy isn't the only one that could benefit from it. O.K. off now: I'm impressed with everyone, especially Chiara. (still mad at Marc and he was my favorite) I cannot believe I am crying over a reality show. |
Kmjm | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:39 am     Wow- I'm so pleased I started a big discussion- especially since I'm fairly new to the TVCH and at the first I thought I was going to just look like a lone sentimental idiot! Danielle was brilliant- I was screaming at Marcellus to say something like that that to Amy through their whole discussion. And you know, for all you Chiara detractors out there- and I am not one of them- she did organize that whole group 'why we like Amy" session. She recognized what Any needed, not what the game required. |
Snee | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:41 am     onlyhuman, perhaps i should start saying 'ditto'! i'm glad that amy and marce made up but i don't like the fact that she was so apologetic and he seemed not to be. i don't have the lf's but the posts never indicated that he said he was sorry. i think marce has had a nomination meltdown. regardless, he has gone down in my estimation as well. (i don't think he cares what i think either, OH!) |
Trulyscrumtious | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:43 am     I have never liked Chiara, not one bit, and I have read what some of you are saying (looking ahead for jury votes), but I do not, and can not agree. This coming from someone who sat here screaming obscenties at her monitor because she (Chiara) was in the room while Amy was being pounced on by Marci. But, I have seriously reconsidered my opinion on her. Her actions have shown me that she actually does have a heart. What she did for Amy showed me she can be compassionate and that moves her up quite a few notches in my book. And although I've never posted here, or anywhere else, bashing her (okay, once I mentioned she called her mother an 'internet sl*t' and had no respect), I'd love to be able to take back most of the rotten things I've thought. I just love it when people I have not thought too highly of surprise me like this. Anyway, as far as Amy is concerned, I absolutely adore this girl (that was another pleasant surprise, i felt sure after reading her bio i would detest her, lol). I have to say...I applaud Danielle for her actions in that room, and although they may be the product of some ulterior motive, she still did a fantastic job. I wouldn't mind having her here for some of the tiffs that go on in this household, lol. All in all, though the season started out not too promising, this evening has grabbed my attention, made me re-think my positions on some of the houseguests, and may have just earned Shapiro another 24.99. Calling up and cancelling the feeds is beginning to sound like a bad idea, lol. Re the Live Feeds - I can't believe the way the whole episode had me bawling. This is my first year with the Live Feeds and coming here (this board). I have to ask, does this kinda thing happen often? I mean, I know I was crying like a baby, and I see that others have posted that they cried, have any of you ever seen anything as heart wrenching as this before? I don't think I could take another night like this, and I KNOW hubby can't. The man thinks I have lost my ever loving mind, lol. |
Wendo | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:43 am     Onlyhuman said, "Finally, I realized tonight that every person, with the possible exception of Eric, thinks that it is okay to tell Amy how she should behave, think or feel." Well, I agree in the real world that no one has the right to tell you how to behave. However, in the BB house, the rules get turned around, then lopsided 180 degrees. Basically, they told her that the behavior she exhibited in the house was NOT acceptable and, because of it, is being evicted. That's the rules of THIS game. Cute, I agree, there's nothing wrong with campaigning. But, as you said, it has to be done subtlely; it has to be an art form. Mar was just better at it this week. But, up against another person, he could fail miserably. So many variables. And, C1, I bumped my Danielle is GOOOOD thread because of your post. A game player through it all.... |
Snee | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:44 am     kmjm, yes, i think chiara had a kind, honest sentiment. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:47 am     I was mad at Marc too....for a little while...during the yelling match. I started crying at the point when Marc came back into the room and Amy and Marc had an emotional hug. You know, when you have someone that you consider a genuine friend these kind of passionate arguments and emotional makeups are naturally a part of that friendship. Add in the fact that they are all playing a game and I just can't stay mad at Marc. Chiara....Ryan said it best. I don't care why she organized the meeting, the end result is what counts. I believe that she showed compassion for someone in pain. And remember, I have never been a big Chiara fan. She earned some brownie points from me tonight. |
Wendo | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:51 am     Trulyscrumtious, this thing has happened every year with BB. It just manifests iteslf differently with each possible evictee. Some go completely off the deep end wacko (Karen BB1) and others take it really easily (Will BB2) while others get really mean (Shannon BB2). That's the fun and exciting part of the live feeds. Sometimes it's tough to watch, like tonight with Amy getting emotional and crying heavily. But, imo, they all recover in the end. This is a really stressful game and I think many of the HG's don't realize that b/4 they enter. So far, the only HG's this year that seem to understand this are Roddy and Danille. |
Cute1073 | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:55 am     you know it's truly amazing what a good emotional venting will do for people....these guys seem closer tonight and there seems to be less tension now.....may I point out as well...no one has gone off into a corner to bash anyone behind their back (oh god...knock on wood) |
Wendo | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:00 am     Just some more screen caps... A moon shot and, Amy and Marcellus back to what they do best...being friends...
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Onlyhuman | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:01 am     Wendo, I wasn't just referring to this game. They've all been talking to her about her behavior outside of the house as well. Jason spent a long time lecturing her on Sunday night (well, Monday morning) Again, I'm not saying she doesn't have a lot to learn, I've just found it interesting that they all seem to have no problem telling her she's a selfish b*tch but they seem to be unable to tell Gerry to wash his hands. There seems to be some general concensus that for her to ask for one vote is "campaigning" but for Marcellus to demand that they vote Amy out unanimously is not. I guess I just find it interesting how Amy is a "backstabber" but Marcellus is not. Especially since Amy did her asking IN FRONT of Marcellus and he did his asking BEHIND HER BACK! Snee...I've agreed with everything you've said tonight as well...I almost didn't post because you, Earthmother and Seamonkey covered all the good stuff. |
Cute1073 | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:02 am     they are friends again aren't they....sitting in that hammock making fun of josh's pushups like they weren't yelling at eachother an hour ago...thats great |
Delilah | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:07 am     Thank you to everyone who posted screen shots of before, during and after. Although I do have the feeds, it was lovely to see the actual pictures in the thread. Thank you!  |
Wendo | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:09 am     Well, Amy's the one who brought in all her emotional laundry to be displayed in front of people. She's gone on about her small town, how people shun her, and how she is a selfish b*tch. If you don't want people pointing out the stains, leave the laundry at home. We know it can be done, Will did it last year. Most everything he told about himself was a lie. Amy's behavior, while entertaining, hasn't been all happy and fun. As far as Gerry, well, he's the one they like to talk about behind his back. Not that I agree with it, but he did set himself up for it when he voted the veto. Reap what you sow. Re: the campaigning, well, like I've said before, she did it really poorly. I agree, Mar has campaigned, he's just been more effective. The problem arises because they all have said, I don't plan to campaign against you, and then they do. Josh did it too and look where he is in the eyes of his alliance. Low man on the totem pole. Ah well, we all have different perceptions of the game, as do the HG's. |
Cute1073 | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:09 am     ok...now we have no choice but to listen to amy...all four feeds are on her and Marc! |
Wendo | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:11 am     ps. Tonight has been truly enjoyable with the feeds. Hardly any FOTH. Now that's why I pay the money, for nights like these and the ones full of strategy talk like the other night. |
Misslibra | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:12 am     That Moon shot is so pretty and clear. And the way you posed it over Amy and Marcel is so perfect thanks.  |
Tootseug | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:14 am     Wendo, so very true. |
Wendo | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:26 am     Yeah, the moon shot with Amy and Mar seemed so appropriate. Thanks! And, Cute, I agree, love Amy and Mar, but I sure would like to see and hear other HG's on the feeds! LOL! Oh, there we go, the men working out...
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Wargod | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:31 am     1:30 in the morning and they are working out! No wonder they don't get up til after noon! Thanks for the screen caps guys, very nice! |
Abbynormal | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:48 am     Ok, just a thought. Amy seemed so confident that she has one vote from a strong person. I think that vote could be from Roddy. He has mentioned a couple times "the promise" she made to him. Maybe he told her he will vote for her but she has to absolutely keep it secret, that way he could blame it on someone else, and she could go out with her one vote she wants so badly. It would work for him, because we all know he really wants Josh out but according to Chiara he has a 2 week deal with Josh. It would be the perfect excuse to get rid of him, since everyone knows Josh really did want to vote for Amy. Am I completely off my rocker here? I am trying to wind down after all the drama tonight. LOL |
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