The REAL reason Roddy nominated Amy
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Hotty_Toddy

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 11:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a theory on this because I just couldn't figure it out. I really don't think he nominated her because of the Chiara thing. He really sees her as a threat because of her supposed selfishness and untrustworthiness. However, he is keeping the far more untrustworthy males Gerry and Josh around. He certainly finds Gerry far more unpleasant. 90% of the issue seems to be with her taking too much food/ alcohol or taking without asking. I have seen Amy pass on alcohol and cheese offers in the veto box game and choose food the whole group would like instead of cheese in the Batik challenge. I saw Josh bitching twice last night about how Amy was joking about wanting to break in the storage room and steal all the beer and how bad that was. Isn't the the same guy who cooked all the good food when they lost the luau challenge? Meanwhile I have seen Roddy and Eric appropriate extra beers for themselves and take the last of the Mexican food the other night. Roddy told Eric he trusted him that he would never take food without asking first even if he was starving.

So why is this food issue SUCH a big deal with these guys? This isn't Survivor; it must be the dumbest reason ever for nominating someone. I finally had an epiphany: Amy is the Alpha Male! The Alpha Male eats first and eats as much as he wants. He doesn't care if the other members of the pack starve or not. Being nominated is not going to change this fact. The Alpha Male does not suck up and grovel to usurpers. If this was some big tough guy doing this they would just wait for him to take whatever he wanted and say, well, he's a big guy, he needs to eat a lot. But if a 115 pound blonde girl does it they cannot STAND it. Roddy is convinced he needs to be the Alpha Male with Eric as his trusty Beta. A misogynist like the Rodster is never gonna let a woman boss him; he needs a needy and submissive little creature like Chiara. So that's what Amy really had to go.

Bbrules4ever

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 11:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
brilliant analysis!

Marcellasfan

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 11:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hotty--I think you just nailed it. If they're not fawning over him, they're gone. These people just too clueless about him.

Hotty_Toddy

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Notice how much more comfortable Roddy is now that Amy is being the sweet and vulnerable female in the hottub. He loves playing the strong, smart male to the weak, dumb female.

Missy2

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You are right on the money!

I can't stand roddy - icko

Sonia

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I also think you're totally right Hotty.

Victoriafla

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good Post, I agree! Wonder when these others are gonna wise up to Roddy.I'm gonna miss Amy.

Fix2scream

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 07:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
WOW, you are brilliant! Are you sure your name's not Roddy?

Shylow

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 07:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Makes a lot of sence when it's explain it like that. Good post!!

Erina75

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 07:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hotty...I totally agree with you! How perceptive!! Your post was well written and you explained yourself so clearly...thanks for posting!

Amylousc

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not really into horoscopes but I happened to see this today. This is today's horoscope for a Taurus (which Roddy is):

You may not be having fun right now, but that will change soon enough. Patience will be rewarded once the 'me first' crowd has moved away. Taurus knows that it's better to be steadfast than restless.

Mystery

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy, I'm a Taurus; that horoscope could apply to me as I watch the "in crowd" dominate this season's Big Brother! :)

Tisha90029

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wanted to make a post that said something like, "if you want proof of the alpha male theory, just look at the vid caps of Roddy full frontal. Amy has to have a bigger <part of anatomy> than that!" But I am going to refrain.

Twiggyish

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So, he dislikes intelligent and strong women. (That doesn't surprise me)
Perhaps, he prefers the clingy, needy type.

Llkoolaid

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wish I could explain what I have to say as well as you do Hotty Toddy, You expressed exactly how I feel about Roddy. I can't wait to see D/M/Ja take him down. A girl, a gay and a choirboy, that should really be a blow to the alpha male.

Spunky

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But then why does she end up playing their game? Look how she "let" Josh manipulate her (even knowing he wants her out), why is she saying what a great group of girls and guys she is with (okay, maybe under the influence) why does she smile at Roddy when he singles her out (wasn't she all sweet to him in the tub?), no matter how much she is told she's not wanted she keeps going back for more punishment. If this girl has spine I surely don't see it.

Tabbyking

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
well, she doesn't seem to be cowering in a corner, so she must have some spine! i think she has accepted that she is out and is having the best time she can, anyway.
but oh for roddy to get tired of feeling stalked by chiara, have him ask eric to veto a nomination and then stick chiara's name in there. roddy would only have to hide in the HoH room for another 2 days and he could shove the bed in front of the door and have pbJ sandwiches pushed under the door. then chiara would be sequestered and would seethe with anger not knowing what roddy and amy are up to with her gone. ahhhh!! what a dream!

Msnapsnap

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
why are they keeping <MOD> josh in there?
everyone hates him. perplexed.
(c)

Seanflynn

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Msnapsnap - The reason they are keeping him is obvious. They all want to win $500,000, and in their best case scenarios he survives to the final two and he can't win the top prize (if he makes it to the final 3 he's in - the last HOH clearly picks him as his/her opponent)
He is also a lightning rod likely to be put up several times for nomination, which makes it less likely for each of them to be put up.
As a viewer, I'd like him gone. As a houseguest going for the big money I'd put up with him

Deirpg

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope you don't mind if I add to your analysis, Hotty_Toddy, which by the way, was just great.

The strong women in this house are being punished, IMO. The minute Lori stood up for somebody and spoke her mind, she was gone. Although I wouldn't classify Tonya as strong, immediately after she took a strong stance on an issue, she was gone too. Now Amy is being targeted for the same reason. I think this attitude among the HGs has to do with a number of things:
* Roddy, as Hotty pointed out, needs to be the alpha male
* Eric needs to be his sidekick
* Lisa and Chiara are threatened by the other females, especially if they're playing the game with brains. These two girls are relying far too much on their boyfriends to play the game for them and to protect them.

If I had to venture a guess, I would say that Danielle doesn't have much more time in the house. Although the difference with Danielle, IMO, is that she WILL bow to the group to save herself. Lori wasn't willing to do this, and neither was Tonya. I don't think Amy would either.

My question is this: why do the strong males have such a great chance of winning - ex. Will, Roddy - but the strong females are weeded out almost immediately?

Hardywins

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, its because Roddy, Eric and others are so concerned about the children of these women. Lori went first because she is the breadwinner for 3 children. Tonya next, not because she is the breadwinner but because she has 5 children. Amy has "BuckY" to take care of properly. DAnielle may well be immediately thereafter. The other two women have no children, so they may be kept in the house as long as possible or until one/both become breeders. Since no other females have children needing taking care of in the house, the Alpha/BEta Males will arrange for the subserviant males with children to be evicted next. Gerry's time will come. Deviants like Josh, Jason, and Marci, who are no threats will be removed last.

Same pattern last year with Cheryl, then Tonya (mothers with children) being evicted first.

Marcieb

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey, Hotty, kudos to your brilliant analysis. Definitely a winner!

Mine's a bit more simple. Roddy was raised to have manners. I bet he still opens a door for someone or pulls out a chair to seat a lady. Roddy wouldn't allow others to be rude to Gerry to his face and R. sees that people are included in conversations (not his monologues, though!). He's one of those Old World gentlemen who feel it's nobless oblige to starve before allowing anyone weaker to go hungry.

Amy initially purported herself to be a well-mannered genteel lady--which Roddy saw very quickly she is not. Her reluctance to share equally with others offends his sensibilities. He must live his life as though it's an Edith Wharton novel and the unseemly must go. So it's, "See ya later, Amy." (For some reason though he doesn't expect this of Chiara and lets her get away with murder--I haven't figured this out other than to say she doesn't know any better but Amy should.)

(I know I'll most likely be ridiculed for this simplistic approach but that's how I see things. Just MHO.)

Oh, and Deirpg, I don't think of Lori and Tanya as strong females a bit. I think with their stability problems they came across the weakest. Dani (hopefully) will be the last female to leave because the guys respect her strength.

Spunky

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's because she gave up on him too soon. He may have wanted her to stay close to him (even while Chiara declared war on Amy), so he keeps complaining that he didn't let him get to know her.

What's the scoop?????? Looks like last night he asked her why and she said she was "scared". (I read this somewhere else). After this chat with Amy he ran to the DR with an urgent message to the producers but he was told to wait till the morning. Apparently he had to insist a few times. I don't think anyone on the updates found out what was he wanted the producers to know. (I wonder if it's relate to Amy telling him she is worried that she won't get the phone calls she was hoping after eviction night..)..
Who know what he wanted to say to the producers that late at night...

Nurdreams

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spunky,
I was listening last night and R told A that he was going to demand an emergency visit to the DR and say positive things about her. He said he was going try to make things right for her and stick up for her from now on.

Flyonthwall

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spunky, Nurdreams is right, I heard the same thing.
It was for SHOW I'm sure...

the cam stayed on Roddy as he sat in the chair.

BB voice says Hey Roddy
Roddy says "I guess you know why I am here."
Cut away from DR to another part of house.

Roddy did not look happy Sitting there.
In a short time, he came out of DR and told Jason I think that they wouldn't let him leave a DR session saying good things about Amy, becasue he looked to angry.
He then told Mar they wanted to see him, Couldn't tell him about what.
Mar went to DR.

Roddy never went back to find Amy, he finally went to HOH with Chiara to hid out from Amy! I'm sure!

He never asked for DR, he simply stated it in the convo with Amy and they walked in the house and he walked over to the DR door and it clicked open for him.
Amy went on in to the Tiki room.

Wendo

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with your analysis Hotty. But, I will add, that this gets another woman out of the house, which is what R and E want. IMO, they're hoping Josh wins HOH because they think he wants to put up Lisa and Ch. (Which he says he wants to do.) So, another woman leaves.

Mystery

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know about Roddy being raised to have manners, but I can definitely see him holding the door open for all the women after he gets them evicted.

Bmh

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo..I disagree..I believe now Roddy,Eric,Lisa,and Chiara realized who Josh really is and are planning on nominating him..so if E,L,or C win HOH Josh will be nominated..the plan to get the girls out first was a long time ago Roddy and Eric have grown really close to Lisa and Chiara and I doubt they would get rid of them over Josh..JOsh is the only one in the house that wants to nominate 2 girls..and Gerry is just playing with Josh..Marcie told Gerry to warm up to Josh and pretend he is with him..Im tellin ya unless Josh gets HOH he will be gone next week

Abbynormal

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hotty Toddy, great post and you're probably right. I think it really boils down to Amy didn't make a butt out of herself over him with Chiara. Danielle is married, he has Chiara handled, Eric has Lisa covered (literally) and Amy was just out there and he couldn't stand it that she chose not to fight for him. He doesn't like to lose. I think the reason he wants to keep talking to Lisa is to make her come to her senses and realize he is a way cooler guy than Eric. This is just all speculation on my part. I know nothing. :)

Edited to add: he didn't just want her voted out, he wanted to crush her. He stated he didn't even want her to have the one vote from Marc. Also, I think he was sending a message to the others.

Spunky

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh thanks guys. So we really don't know what the emergency was, couldn't he just have talked to the mike even if no one was there?? If he only wanted to say something, well, go ahead, but who knows what he wanted the producers for that couldn't wait till the morning?? geezzz