Archive through July 28, 2002
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Archive through July 28, 2002
Saph036 | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:01 am     I was watching the feeds earlier today when Roddy and Eric were discussing strategy. During their conversation Danielle walked in and started talking to them about her job. Well, after she finished and left the room I heard Roddy say to himself "filthy stinking monkey, filthy stinking ape". I almost fell off my chair and was thinking my ears had deceived me. If I heard wrong then it's my mistake but I could swear that is what I heard. Maybe he was referring to himself and I didn't catch it. This has been weighing heavily on my mind all day and I see nobody else has commented on this. So, can anyone verify this for me??? |
Minnietlm63 | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:05 am     I think he was talking about Josh. |
Cathie | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:05 am     What time of the day? Did you check live feed posts to see if anyone else heard it as you did? |
Spunky | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:06 am     I don't doubt a bit....always felt he's not the "nice" guy he wants others to believe him to be.... |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:12 am     I'm guessing he was referring to Josh. He and Eric were deep in an anti-Josh conversation, being pretty profound in their growing dislike for him....when Danielle barged and started talking about a job. I got bored with her and switched feeds, so I never heard the ape comment. My point is that they had been in a deep discussion about Josh....so it is reasonable that they were referring to him and their previous conversation (before Danielle came in). I've never heard Roddy say anything racist before, so I would shocked if he was referring to Dani. JMO |
Saph036 | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:22 am     Cathie, I checked the live feed posts and there is no reference to that comment... I guess this will just have to haunt me. I get WAY to involved! I rented some videos tonight but went into BB withdrawal... |
Cathie | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:26 am     It sounds like Roddy could have just been picking up his pre-Danielle conversation with Eric after she left. Maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. |
Tisha90029 | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:36 am     at the risk of making this thread devolve, it might be important to note that "filthy" and "stinking" are words anti-semites frequently apply to jews. not that Roddy's an anti-semite, mind you....but just because it applies to Josh instead of Danielle doesnt make it (possibly) "racist." |
Cyn | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:35 am     who knows? but, i did see it when he first learned that josh was Jewish. he was totally shocked. and asked josh twice, "you're really a Jew?" but, are we sure they weren't referring to gerry, since this is the way they all seem to constantly refer to his lack of good hygiene habits. |
Oregonfire | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:44 am     Those exact words are disturbing though, no matter who they were said about. I guess I would've had to have seen it for myself. Roddy sometimes says things to Eric about other HGs that are so arrogant and rude. |
Maryann | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 03:35 am     Cyn-Is Roddy Jewish? Is it possible that he was just stunned that Josh and he were both Jewish? |
Toolhound | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 03:43 am     I think the coment to Josh "Are you really a Jew?" was done jokingly. He new Josh was Jewish from talking and seeing him. |
Cyn | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 03:58 am     good point, maryann. but, i didn't get that feeling, toolhound. not with the look that was attached to it. yet, cathie is completely correct. it's such a huge thing to associate with or say about a person. i never meant to accuse him of having one of the sickest illnesses (the one where you think different people of any sorts are below you) on earth. i was only trying to get to the bottom of it. although, what Oregon says is the truest. i have no concrete opinion on him personally. i'm just trying to figure out how much of waht this guy is actually giving us is b.s. |
Toolhound | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 04:10 am     Come on could anyone look or listen to Josh for 2 minutes and not know he is Jewish? |
Jasons_First | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 04:40 am     I didn't see the feed but I am going to give Roddy the benefit of the doubt. Roddy is a very intelligent man and intelligence and racism DON'T go together. I do not think Roddy would ever say anything like that. That type of comment would be more Josh's speed. If you look over the live feed postings from this site and others, you will see that Eric and RODDY both have said (privately) to each other, how much they love Dani. I may believe Roddy is a sneak and a control freak but racist, he ain't. |
Jasons_First | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 04:42 am     I forgot to say, I believe if he did say something like that, it was a definite referral to Josh. He's finally sick of his lap dog. |
Mrdisguise | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:12 am     Jasons_First wrote: "Roddy is a very intelligent man and intelligence and racism DON'T go together." You are so wrong. Intelligent people can be racist. An example would be how Jews, Asians, Blacks were prevented by law from entering certain professions or universities or countries (anti-immigration laws) in the olden days. Or look how Blacks were treated in South Africa. Or how cops, lawyers and judges treat Blacks, visible minorities. Racism has to do with manners/kindness and nothing to do with intelligence. |
Jasons_First | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:40 am     Hi Mrdisguise Honestly, I have never encountered a truly "intelligent" racist. I was only speaking from my own point of view. I don't think of cops as being intelligent, sorry. They are usually cops because they want to wield power or because they can't do much else. Most judges are appointed based on the "old boy network", not intelligence. This is evidence by the incompetence with which they do their jobs. In my opinion, it is a combination of ALL that you said: manners/kindness and a certain amount of intelligence. To me, truly intelligent people treat others with respect and know about other cultures/races. As for SA, I never thought that band of criminals (the ruling minority) were smart. They just took advantage of a society that was less "developed". Just because the minority ruled, didn't make them intelligent. It just made them devious. |
Grannygrunt | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:50 am     Saph, I was watching the live feeds yesterday and saw Roddy and Eric's discussion about Josh. Which was hot and heavy about Josh coming back to haunt them if they did not evict him when they had the chance to. At one point Eric even got up, cut the light off and cracked the HOH door to see if Josh was standing at the door listening. The whole convo was about the what if's.....but Roddy said that first Amy had to go, then they would deal with Josh. Dani knocked on the door and came in supposedly looking for Chiara and then tells them the dumb story about work. You could tell that Roddy and Eric were very disgusted that Dani interupted their convo. And were more than anxious for her to leave. As soon as the door closed behind her they never skipped a beat and went right back to their previous convo. I did not hear Roddy say anything like that. It doesn't mean he didn't say that, I just didn't catch it. RealPlayer was really messed up yesterday. So all of that to say that IF he did say it, it would have had to have been about Josh. Because that is what held their undivided attention since Eric won Veto. They even discussed Eric changing it and putting Josh up instead of Mar. But Roddy was afraid that Amy might could muster enough votes to stay and she had to go. This is IMO of what was said. As we have seen 3 people can hear the same convo and come away with 3 different opinions. |
Earthmother | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:23 am     Just a point I'd like to address...You can be educated and still be racist. Education gives you power and many people in power have used it to demoralize and oppress other races. It depends on how you are defining education. Education is book smart, racism is conscience. |
Ark | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:36 am     Saph, I was listenting but not watch, the scene that Grannygrunt describes and indeed heard exactly what you heard when Danielle left. I quickly tried to pull up the picture to see if I could tell what they were talking about but it was over before the picture came up. I wanted to see if they had a stuffed animal in the room that they were talking about, otherwise, it sounded like it was aimed at Dannielle. |
Katrina | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:43 am     Yes. Just listen to the LBJ Oval Office tapes. Racism and intelligence are not mutually exclusive. I have sat a dinner table primarily in the company of Jews and heard a highly intelligent (but not Jewish) woman at that table make an anti-Semitic remark, even though she was sitting next to her Jewish husband. The rest of us were choking on our food, but she seemed oblivious to the fact that she had said anything inappropriate or offensive. (As the other non-Jew at the table, it was not my place to begin the lecture, and out of respect for the husband, our other friends didn't, but I'm sure a few things were explained to her later.) Bias exists across social classes, intelligence levels, and educational backgrounds. I haven't heard Roddy say anything inappropriate in that fashion myself, but if it happens and can be documented, it's worth discussing. |
Lurknomore | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:49 am     I had the feed on when this happened but I wasn't really listening closely as they were just droning on and on. After hearing this I pulled up the screen but my sense was they were talking about Josh from what else was said. I did think it was quite an odd and disconcerting choice of words. Mrdisguise, your post reminds me of something my Mom told me of her youth. She grew up in NY and almost all the nice apartment buildings had signs in them "No Dogs or Jews." That order. That is what prompted so many Jewish people to get into real estate. As for Roddy and his comments applying to Josh, I can see folks saying stinking and filty about his actions regardless of ANY religious beliefs he might have. Nuff said |
Jasons_First | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:50 am     Katrina, Do you mean the Richard Nixon tapes? I knew about those. Read the transcripts. He was talking about jews and blacks pretty bad. |
Katrina | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:30 am     Yeah, him too! I think I was thinking of the LBJ tapes that have been excerpted on "Nightline" and elsewhere in the last few years. I think they were under some kind of seal before that and have not been publicly available as long as the Nixon tapes have. Maybe I got some of the statements mixed up between them. Nixon did say some pretty horrible things. LBJ wasn't so nice behind the scenes either. I think that there was plenty to go around between the two of them. And both mighty intelligent men. |
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