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Meggieprice

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think any of them sound all that promiscuous. Young, single, and in a different age and time than me in my late 40s for sure. They were all brought there to do just what they are doing for us voyeurs! And Wood- noone is forcing you to listen. Yes, I blush myself occasionally but if it bothered me a lot I would turn it off. Your words about Marcellas are awfully strong and I don't see the same man you do.

And we are all of us entitled to our opinions...

Llkoolaid

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Sisalou, the only time I heard or I should say read about Marcellas describing his sex life was when he was answering questions.

I would never ask someone such personal questions nor would I answer them but the girls did seem truely interested and it is his decision to make on whether or not to answer them just as it is ours on whether or not to read it.

Woodpecke®

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And no one is forcing you to think differently. But as recently as this evening, he stated that he has been picked up by so many men in bars that he has no idea the actual count. That is promiscuous. I see the person very clearly, and his comments are there for all to read. And his two-faced treatment of Gerry is also an interesting sidelight.

Llkoolaid

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know Meggie, you just gave me a wake up call. I am also in my mid 40's and have been married with kids for almost 25 years so it is easy to forget what it was like to be young and free. I am guilty of thinking of the girls as a bunch of sl#ts but your post made me think of back in the day. Now I am blushing.

Tisha90029

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, promiscuity, like perversion, is in the eye of the beholder. If he really has lost count of his one-night conquests, I prefer to think of him as mathematically challenged, not promiscuous.

Llkoolaid

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lol Tisha. I like to think of myself being fat as being just the right weight only vertically challenged.

Wcv63

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Tisha!

Meggieprice

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was a Deadhead, myself...would I want my own child to do some of the things I did? No Way!


Marcellas being picked up by lots of men? Same thing...and I am not going to even go there as I really don't care what these people do or don't do or did or didn't do- they have put themselves in that house for our enjoyment and enjoy I do. Plus the fact is we don't really know who these people are - this is who they are in the house, remember? Sometimes I think Marcellas takes it upon himself to act as entertainment. As for his treatment of Gerry...well that remains to be seen- remember he told Gerry he would be trashing him to everyone, but would be there for him - I heard him say it myself.

btw Enjoy these spirited discussions I do to! Thank you all.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tisha - LOL

I wonder how many single 35 year old str8 men have lost count of their one night stands...? If say....Eric had lost count of his conquests, I wonder if that would be a "BUM rap for str8s"?

LOL

Bastable

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've kept my mouth in lockdown till now, but I've had enough:

Short of intense psychotherapy, there is no way that we can figure out if 'Pecker (or any of us, for that matter) doesn't like Marcellas because Marcellas is sometimes crass, or if 'Pecker doesn't like Marcellas because he's subconsciously reacting against his sexuality. I don't pretend to be able to peer inside 'Pecker's head, so I therefore cannot and do not accuse him of anything.

For me, that sort of puts the kibosh on this endless go-round. There's nothing to talk about. He says it has nothing to do with Marcellas' homosexuality, so that should be the end of it, even if you're suspicous.

All that said, I would have liked this thread to not get so testy. Many of us have gay friends and gay family (or ARE gay) and to read a poster say "I just don't need to know about it" can be very hurtful to some people on this board. When 'Pecker wrote that, I think he meant ALL crass talk, from EVERYONE in the house, but because it was just a one-liner (and you had to sort of piece his argument together by paging through the archive), it could be misconstrued as meaning "I hate all gay information" by other readers. (Because many of us are used to hearing homophobia and are itching to shoot it down.)

My point is this: ESPECIALLY when you're talking about a topic people hold dear or personal, please, everyone, be very, very clear about what you're trying to say. Likewise, please take the time to page back and see all the messages a poster left so that you're sure you're not misunderstanding a point. When you're all fired up about a hot-button issue, it's easy to post a message before it's completely clear or gentle. I myself am guilty of this. But unless we want these threads to spin out of control, and for people to get nasty, we must be explicit about our positions.

And just because we can't see each others' faces doesn't mean our words don't have an effect. Life is hard enough without that, don't you think?

Woodpecke®

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, they are our enjoyment for the summer, and this thread is an interesting way to discuss our differences in a manner that should never be viewed as an attack. It is very difficult to find positive things to say about them, but they are not dull. I wouldn't want any of them at MY house, however. Jason can come if he takes the head gear off.

Bastable

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 09:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
(but SanFran has some very strong points!)

ahem.

Sisalou

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 10:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP


Bastable - very good post.

(c)

Inkydinkyspider

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 07:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As the person who started this conversation I feel that I need to clarify something for all those who have jumped on a different band wagon....I was discussing Marc and the subject matter he chooses to talk about...he has had every opportunity to state that he prefers not to talk about (in graphic detail) his sex life...this was not about the girls and their conversations which are IMO disgusting also...someone else can start a thread about them if you like..I stand by my first statement at the beginning of this whole conversation

Mrdisguise

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Inkydinkyspider wrote:
"Bunky had class!"

No. Bunky did not have class. Bunky told Hardy more than once that he wanted to suck Hardy's
"c--k" or to put Hardy's "c--k" in his mouth, etc. Bunk was sexually harrassing Hardy.

Ps. Marcellas did mention that he has a hard time giving oral sex and only does it for the man he loves (like his ex-boyfriend).

Mrdisguise

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellas did mention early in the show how he was devastated when he broke up with his boyfriend.

The boyfriend started dating a guy from a reality show (real world?) so Marcellas wanted to be on a reality show too.

Yep, Marcellas loved his ex-boyfriend. he was heart-broken when the relationship ended and he fell on the floor crying

Inkydinkyspider

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I read the feeds last year and must have missed Bunky saying that if in fact he did.
Bunky had class by not going into graphic detail about checking and cleaning of bowels. And having his wang rub fecis on his leg if the person was not cleaned out. It is gross and uncalled for. I am not a prude but I believe that some things need to be left unsaid. Bunky may have cried a great deal but that is an emotion which is NOT what I was talking about. I do like Marc and hope he is in the final two. I just believe he needs to clean up his act a little. You can get more respect by saying you don't want to discuss something than falling in with the other houseguests just to be popular.
This is it for me folks..we are entitled to our own opinions and I have stated mine. I'm done on this subject!

Woodpecke®

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Inky! I have been trying to tell these people, but they insist on labeling me homophobic. They love to compare Marcellus to the female houseguests; it is their way of justifying his perverse dialogue. The people that refuse to recognize this have their own reason and agenda for not agreeing with the obvious. I just wish I knew what the reason was.

Earthmother

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 09:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember Bunky getting into some disgusting subjects with the guys and truthfully I just wanted to scream "Bunkster you are above all that, you have more class." I think what happens when a bunch of guys get together is they fall into this bathroom mentallity and I don't think it matters whether you are gay or str8 it's a guy thing. This is the first time we have had girls who have no boundaries. Nicole was brash with her sex talk but she knew when not to dis her husband and wouldn't take it quite as far as Kiki does. It may be gross and disgusting but the times they are a changin and I think we will see more and more of this kind of talk the norm. In the first season Eddie was bashed senseless for using F**k all the time which didn't bother me, and in my opinion was tame compared to this year where I see the posters much more tolerant of the conversations these people have. "Please can you guys just swear a lot and spare some of us the graphic discussions of your sex life." lol

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother - you are absolutely right.

It is "a guy thing"...it is not "a gay thing".

Str8 guys telling intimate details of their sexual encounters with women turn me off. I don't label it as "perverse" or blame all str8 people for the crudeness of a couple of jock jerks engaging in locker room talk. Gay guys do the same thing...and to tell you the truth, I usually don't want to hear about it.

Actually, I'm starting to wonder if this thread should be called "a BUM rap for MEN".

Wcv63

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This show has been replete with intimate detailed sexual discussions from almost the very beginning. It's a pervasive theme in many of the discussions in the house. Percentage-wise, Marc has not been involved in the majority of the graphic conversations.

Merriam-Webster defines Perverse as:
1 a : turned away from what is right or good : CORRUPT b : IMPROPER, INCORRECT c : contrary to the evidence or the direction of the judge on a point of law <perverse verdict>
2 a : obstinate in opposing what is right, reasonable, or accepted

Who decides what is right, reasonable or accepted? The group involved in the discussion? You?

Personally, if I find something has offended my moral sensibilities I turn it off.

Earthmother

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfranjoshfan: I have two sons one gay and one str8 and when they get together it is one in the same..toilet talk, toilet talk. I just ask them to take it to the garage. It has nothing to do with how they were raised it's just that they are guys...I'm all for making men look bad, but they do such a good job of doing that to themselves..lol (slipping away to my pretty little bedroom and hiding from the guys)

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"I'm all for making men look bad, but they do such a good job of doing that to themselves..lol"

LOL You crack me up! I like you. :-)

Bastable

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Me, too. I'm really digging Earthmother. She's got some sense AND a sense of humor.

Tymber

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 03:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I realize that Inkydinkyspider, who started this thread, is disappointed that Marcellas ever uttered the first scatological remark - whether or not the girls have had any naughty thoughts or statements of their own - and has now signed off on this subject.

Also, I believe Inkydinkyspider did not intend the tone of her/his initial post to come across as patronizing or offensive, as it no doubt did to some readers.

We're all using English here, but the language and its meanings are so different among us.

Since first finding the thread, I keep remembering Inkydinkyspider's 'p.s.':
"(p.s. although I am not gay I believe that those who are deserve respect especially from one of their own!)"

I'm reminded of the old linguistic exercise, commonly employed as a tool to decipher racist or sexist remarks. The trick is to remove the operative word from the offensive statement and replace it with another and see how it sounds rephrased.

Although I am not a white heterosexual monotheistic fill-in-the-blank man,...

or, Although I am not a silly girl,...

... I believe that those who are deserve respect especially from one of their own!

On another note: playfully, "pervert", "perverse" and "perversion" have long been terms of affection and endearment for me, I must say it has been somewhat shocking to find them used in such a casual and derisive manner among some of my fellow BB fans.

Perhaps we should start a new thread, appears everybody left this one. Maybe we can persuade Endemol to have a different kind of house or until then, at least run old footage of The Partridge Family or one of the other better TV shows over the internet. It'd be like live rerun feeds. Maybe they could offer subscriptions and we could post live feeds and discuss what they say. Just an idea.

Mrdisguise

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
INKYFINKYSPIDER wrote:
"And having his wang rub fecis on his leg if the person was not cleaned out. It is gross and uncalled for. I am not a prude but I believe that some things need to be left unsaid."

That is the reality of anal sex. Maybe one of the women asked him for details. There are some things that people are curious about- like anal sex or how 2 guys have sex. I went to a gay chat room and asked things like does it hurt? A gaybasher started using the word "fudgepacker" and I asked why they were being called that word.

Earthmother

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 05:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tymber is my son's nickname..I always call my boys "little pervs" when they start talking their mess..Of course they aren't hmmm at least I hope they aren't. In all fairness to the person who started this thread, you have every right to feel that the degree of raunchy talk is not really acceptable to you and I just walk away when it gets too much. Everyone has a different degree of tolerance.

Kae

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 07:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In my opinion, the only reason that Marc. is on BB3 is because he's such a colorful person. Always stating his opinion, always with a comment about something. He provides lots of shock value and entertainment. It seems to me that talking about sex isn't a taboo topic for BB. I seem to recall last year Hardy talking about sex and many people being just as shocked about it. And frankly, I don't know of any sex act that isn't messy. Gay or Str8. They always make it look so glamourous on Tv, but it just ain't so. I mean, since when do they show your pants getting stuck around your ankles in some steaming sex scene? On TV, clothes seem to just fall off the people, but it just doesn't happen that way in real life.

The people that are on BB3 were put there because they would provide entertainment and shock value. Isn't that why people watch Howard Stern?

Many of my gay friends are just plain boring. Just as boring as I'm sure many str8 people are. We would be just as unlikely to be chosen for the show as anyone else. One thing I know for sure. If I was chosen for the show, you'd certainly never get a picture of me naked.