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Onlyhuman

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregonfire, I'm not sure if that was directed at me, but let me clarify that I don't think Marcellus is evil, I don't think Amy is a saint and I don't think the other girls are those names you called them.

The reason that threads sometimes turn into anti-chiara threads is because some people don't seem to be able to argue a point about one HG without bringing up another one. It's a common error in reasoning that is made all the time, not just in this situation. For example, someone says that they don't like how Amy is acting. Someone else says that well at least she's not acting like **** like Chiara. And then there becomes an argument about who is worse. But the two are completely unrelated. How I feel about how Amy acts is separate from how I feel about Chiara, EXCEPT in how they may interact. It is possible that Amy is feeling a lot of hurt and pain and that Chiara is a nice person who is very sexually open, the two are NOT mutually exclusive.

I'm not saying that you've done this or accusing anyone specifically. I've seen it happen over and over on the boards and it's one of the reasons that every thread lately seems to degenerate into a bashing one.

Takes HUGE jump off of soapbox, goes back to being sad about Amy

Kmjm

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Cute, definitely they need some Canadians!

Cute1073

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
no, some of us were expressing our own opinions about Amy's 'rabbling' others got defensive about it.

Cute1073

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
here, here onlyhuman, except the part about being sad for amy lol ;)

Sunriverose

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am simply astonished that anyone can spend this many hours talking about themselves. This woman (girl) simply cannot talk about anything but herself. The shallowness she displays is just mind-bogeling.

Guinevere

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregonfire, you obviously can't understand why people like or have compassion for Amy, and that's fine. But I do wish you'd lay off the hyperbole - NO ONE has called Amy a saint. No one has said she's perfect and she must be defended at all costs. I think the fact that she is a HUMAN BEING implies that's she's flawed. I like her anyway, and it hurts me to see her being hurt by the others. They'll be rid of her soon; can't they act a bit more human until then?

Keiffer

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good post Only....

I would tend to agree. For whatever reason, and I am guilty of it too... we tend to try to base arguments against other posters based on things they have said previous about other HG's.

Ryanc2002

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Guinevere - They are being human, they don't like her and they're showing it. Maybe not in the best way in the world, but...

Has anyone noticed that when Amy is smashed she has next to no southern accent?

Onlyhuman

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, Cute, to be accurate, if you read of the thread, this is where Chiara's name got brought into the conversation.

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I can not wait for all the people on the board to come to the defense of CHiara or Lisa if some night they are allowed to drink too much. I can not beleive we are blaming the other HG's for AMy's behavior. Of course I have a feeling if Chiara or Lisa were allowed to drink you would not see this type of behavior.
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This was posted by Keiffer, an anti-Amy poster who brought the other girls into the thread discussing Amy's rambling. No one else had commented about their behavior until that point.

That was the point I was making above. If we want to discuss or evaluate a situation, it needs to be done without bringing other HGs in when it is irrelevant, because then it just becomes a flame-war.

Oh, and as for crying...I cry when I see other people hurting. Some people call it weak, I see it as empathy. I'd like to see just a small touch of it in the house, but that's just me. I fully realize that some people prefer to see other stuff. To each his own, as they say...

Kmjm

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, Amy is totally enjoying herself, having Roddy's undivided attention. She's milking it for all it's worth- playing a role, as always, with style.

Guinevere

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryan, they are being human, but I think it's a sad kind of humanity, kicking a person when they are down and not having any compassion. Since most of them are going to be in her shoes at some point (facing eviction), you would think they'd be able to relate to that part of it, at least.

I'm off to bed...this is depressing me.

ETA: Onlyhuman, I totally agree. The world needs more empathy and that house does too.

Battlestar

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
what is Chiara doing while Roddy is occupied??

Cute1073

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just think they ALL have dug their own holes so I don't really get too upset when what comes around goes around. You're not weak, and would never say you were, obviously you have a good soul who feels strongly for people.
And truthfully I didn't do my homework and look back on the thread to see who started the whole conversation....I like it...I like to hear everyone's perspective, its all so interesting!! I love it!!!!!

Battlestar

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Guinevere---that is the part that is making me quite naseous. They have accomplished their goal of being able to evict Amy---but while they are doing it they want to make sure she feels every little bit of dislike/hate/ that they feel for her. Even though they see that she is emotionally in pain from it, they don't care. It really doesn't matter one hoot who said what, who did what. It is time for the victors to stop blooding themselves on the corpse

In my own life, that sort of people I loath, but I would always show compassion to any of them if the need arose, even though I know they wouldn't for me.

Oregonfire

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, don't really feel the need to be more even-handed. I rather enjoy my hyperbole. I'm glad she's going, and don't feel guilty. I'm sure that I'll have to suffer through everyone dancing gleefully on Chi Chi's crossed out photo when she goes. A few scattered not pro-Amy posts never hurt anyone.

Cute1073

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
lol Oregon...you go girl, i'm sure there will be many more times when we'll find ourselves defending Kiki...

Battlestar

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I doubt Chiara will be leaving the house with heel prints on her butt.

Onlyhuman

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregon...you should say what you feel about the HGs...that's what the board is here for. Please just don't misconstrue MY statements as being one extreme or the other. I chose my screen name because I try to keep in mind that we are watching human beings not trained hamsters.

Though with this group...

Bernie

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Watching the post-dinner feeds tonight, and reading everyone's comments made me realise that we're mirroring the behaviour in the house.
This is the first group of HG's who have gossiped and criticised everyone else to such an extent. Every HG has had something negative to say about every other HG, even their so-called allies, behind each other's backs-they are so two-faced that it's downright depressing, and contributes to a disheartening image of the human race.
Eric and Roddy snipe about Lisa and Chiara, and vice versa, etc., etc.
In the previous BBs, allies only griped about their opponents, and so there were times when there was some fun, and real fellowship in that place, as we recall when we reminisce about Bunky and Kent, or Curtis, Eddie, and Josh, for example.
Have we yet seen any kind of true good humour, other than spiteful laughter, from this group?
Even the laughs we got from Amy and Marcellas were based on their catty remarks about others.
It seems that the board reflects the HG's and their behaviour, and a lot of us, me included, cannot see anything positive going on, so we're functioning in the same mood.
If that isn't a darn good reason to step back and think, I dunno what is-is BB3 doing us any good?
Instead of enjoying BB this year, I come away with the grubby, shameful feeling I've had in real life when I've listened to spiteful gossip. This group of houseguests is bad news.

Ryanc2002

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They are human, but I refuse to feel sorry for them when they're getting their butt kicked in a situation (the game) they put themselves in. I do however feel sorry for them if they ever visit this or any other BB message board.

Willsfan

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not overly fond of Chiara but she resembles (physcially) so many members of my family I can't stay mad at her long. Especially that little smirk. I've seen that same expression on my sister's and my cousin's faces, usually when they are about to get mad. Of course, they don't show their anger then - they wait till later. LOL

Sisalou

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bernie - You are making sense to me. This whole evening was very draining. I felt sorry for Amy but at the same time I wanted her to be quiet and go to bed. I'm sure it has to do with the fact that I have experience trying to get a "drunk" person to go to sleep.

I'm worn out and going to bed. Goodnight All.

Battlestar

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bernie---I think you may have something there.

Onlyhuman

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
See, that's just it Ryan, I don't think Amy's stuff has to do with losing the game. She just hasn't put that much effort into it and has never seemed to care about it (which is incredibly stupid, considering that's what she's here for, but that's another topic...)

I really think she is hurt by the actions of others towards her and is trying to figure out how it all went so wrong. She's trying to explain herself and her feelings, she's just not very good at it, which explains her going on and on and on and on...

I don't know that I feel sorry for her as much as I can kinda feel her pain. It's stupid, but I tend to do that with people, just can't help myself. When people are hurting, I just want to reach out and hug them.

Oregonfire

Monday, July 29, 2002 - 12:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't hate Amy; she's smart and funny and had a lot of respect for herself, which is exactly why I don't think this experience with ruin her.

I think that a poor workman always blames his tools. If we can't find something to like in each and every houseguest, than the fault lies within ourselves.