Is anyone listening to Amy?
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Wcv63 | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 10:20 am     Summary: Oh, what a roller coaster night this has been. Amy, so sad, so tragic, begging for one measley vote so she can hold her head up when she leaves. Marc feeling vulnerable thinks Amy is "campaigning" against him. BIG confrontation, high emotion, YELLING, tears, misery. Amy is upset. Marc is upset. The house is upset. Dani tries to mediate. Chiara hangs around watching. Marc stomps out. Amy collapses in tears. Marc comes back in. BIG emotional scene. I'm crying. I admit it. I lost it and was sobbing right along with them. Chiara surprises me. She...yes...I think it's true...she is human. She has compassion. She organizes a big house meeting so everyone can tell Amy things that they like about her. Oh my. I actually LIKED Chiara tonight. She did a good thing. Didn't last for long but there ya go. |
Earthmother | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:29 am     I think no matter how you play the game, whatever card you choose to play, whether it's pity, race, religion, needy, alliences, or under the radar everyone has the right to play and those with delusions of granduer (Nicole last year and Marc this year) who seem to think they somehow deserve it more than the others p**s me off. How dare this group think they have the right to say to her face she doesn't deserve to be there (which is in essence exactly what they said). Dani started it with the nip it in the bud issue so she didn't stand a chance that her ally (Marc) wouldn't begat the same fate as the last two pawns, but that is playing the game. To use anger and volitile behavior to make someone you claim to care about is as low as you can go. To ask for a vote is how different than telling everyone "the girl blew it for herself, she put herself in this position and deserves to go?" hmmm sounds like one is campaigning against the other and one is campaigning for themselves. How can you accuse someone of something you are doing and blaming them because you deserve it more (delusions of graduer once again rears it's ugly head). So far Marc hasn't played a very good game and he's made really bad mistakes. If it weren't for Gerry he'd be back at the hotel comparing boob sizes with Tonya, he certainly isn't there because he's played the game well. As for the little party last night that seemed to give a lot of people the warm fuzzies, maybe I've been around too long to fall for that save face bs. I have found, sad as it may be, that leopards don't change their spots and the conversations after party confirmed it. How stupid they are to think that Amy is dimwitted enough to fall for it. Did Chiara give her friend Tanya a party after the blowup(hmmmm wasn't that Marc too)? No she didn't because it was intimated that Tanya was staying so she didn't have to. There was no kindness shown last night it was as phoney as a three dollar bill. Being portrayed as picking on a little girl who is over emotional makes them look real bad and even they are smart enough to know that. Amy even made the comment that they did it to save face. I give her credit, she may have gotten enough pity to perhaps get that vote and maybe even a few more. Her card may have worked or it may not have (we don't know yet). |
Draheid | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:32 pm     Earthmother: BRAVO Very well said and I agree 100% with every word of your post. Thank you for saying what I have been remiss in saying myself. BTW: If you have 5 of the three dollar bills, I have a 15 dollar bill I need change for!  |
Earthmother | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:03 pm     I'll give ya 3 fours Draheid and you give me $1.00 back..lol (hmm this could be lucrative) |
Earthmother | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:04 pm     oops I mean 4 fours...I am not a math teacher for a reason..lol |
Sisalou | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:51 pm     Earthmother - LOL -Too funny with the remark about Marcellus "If it weren't for Gerry he'd be back at the hotel comparing boob sizes with Tonya" Thanks for giving me a good laugh. And I agree about the campaigning thing - seems like double standard to me. I hope they don't have a unanimous vote. I would love to see the drama that would cause. |
Snee | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:52 pm     earthmother, you said what i was thinking (and posting if i remember correctly!) last night about the blow up with marce and the living room farce. i'm still upset with marcellas today. i think he is going through nomination meltdown, but that doesn't excuse him in my mind. i think chiara had a kind initiative, but it turned out to be demeaning for amy. i felt very bad for her last night and still do. i'd want her to stay, but for her sake i want her out of that house! and did i mention i am upset at marcellas? he'd better apologize sharpish or he's lost me forever! *dramatic sigh* there are three types of people in the world: those who are good at math and those who aren't. |
Crazyfan | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:55 pm     If I could have a wish it would be...Amy stays in the house by one vote. I can not imagine way these people woulf rather live with Josh, Gerry and Marci instead of Amy, she has her faults but give me a break... |
Costacat | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 02:21 pm     And actually, y'know. I wasn't all that impressed with the statements made when Chiara called everyone in to the LR to "say something nice" about Amy. Some of the statements made were pretty much BS. Josh saying "if she listens to your story it means alot." HUH? IF she listens? Danielle thinks Amy put up a lot of shields. That's a nice thing to say? Some of these people need to learn how to say something nice (then again, I guess if someone is really self-centered, it must be hard to say something nice about someone else!). |
Spunky | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 02:27 pm     That party seemed to me such a slap in the face to Amy. In summary, what I understood: "Well Amy, you're really a nice girl, we're sorry you have to go, we'll be friends for ever, blah, blah, blah" while they were thinking "But we are still kicking you out!". I feel sorry for that poor girl. The humiliation never ends. At least let her go with some dignity. |
Earthmother | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 02:56 pm     I don't want her to stay or go, it really doesn't matter. I just want everyone to be able to play their game no matter how conniving in a humane way. Geeeze I feel like a mom telling the kids "If you can't play nice then don't play at all!!!" There is nothing worse than a love fest for entertainment but on the other hand we have BB3..vile, vulgar, embarrassing, so far very little dignity except for a couple of them, and just darn right annoying. Call me sentimental but I want one of them to make me feel warm and fuzzy like Bunky did last year, just anyone. |
Costacat | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 02:59 pm     Me, too, Earthmother. I wish they would all play the game "with dignity" as Marcellas says. There really isn't anyone in the house with whom I can relate. And that may be why I am so disgusted with the show this year. At least in past seasons, there were one or two "human" folks. Ones who showed real emotion, seemed like they cared about the others, and so on. This season's HG were specially picked by BB and they did a crummy job of it (in my opinion). |
Aylana | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 03:04 pm     I am not sure they can let Amy go without kicking her... they need to kick her because they are so afraid of her. They each, for their own reasons, must make sure she is unable to get up and catch a second breath. Stop and think about it. If you were one of the guys.. you probably already feel like Jason will be the favorite. Jason is good looking, playing the virgin bit to the hilt to keep the girls chasing him.. and he uses his religion to not do anything that would make anyone angry... no matter what or how they try to get him to join in.. he stays clean behind his relgion. But then again, there is Amy.. every bit the sweetie that Jason is... or she would have been had they not forced her to unravel so soon. Do not forget.. BB is not trying to make Amy look good.. she was purposely cast as the "bit*h", so they gave her the alchohol knowingly.. just as they did to Krista. The girls of course are all pushing out the boobs, lowering the waistlines, hiking up the hem lines and vying for attention. Each feels she can out do the other. That is until it came to Amy... we girls know that a blonde does not have to even be good looking... a lot of men see blonde hair and that is that. It's the way society and commericals have trained them. She came in sweet, a Southern Flower, ripe for the picking... lovely to look at.. a joy just to be near... and that made her competition for Jason. She came in witty and deliciously wicked, which was competition for Marcellas. She (IMHO) was the best looking of the women... no matter how a guy says he prefers brunettes, or finds the blondes flakey... the blondes are and have been society's ideal look for women... so there is poor Amy.. beautiful, blonde, witty, devilish, sweet, and all manners and good breeding. (PS.. I do not think personally that your hair color or your looks make a person beautiful.. but I do think that when a person does have what society thinks is "IT" and they are beautiful inside... well.. in this case Amy fit the mold). Prettier than the other girls as far as what is considered pretty in today's society, all Southern Woman have a special and unique charm.. and most have that inner knowledge of exactly what makes a man happy... without using sex.. Plus, Amy is more than pretty, she has that movie star, super star, marilyn monroe look. That vulnerable, help me, love me, look. Not to offend anyone of color... but she was a threat to Danielle also. She was smart, she was that blonde white woman that society casts as the greatest desire of the black male... She was far younger, prettier, and more interesting than Dani with her "ghettoeze... I do not like the stereotypical act that Dani uses.. nor the big mama routine or the step and fetch it act. All are demeaning IMO. She was a marked woman to begin with. She was too much competition for the other women, too much of a threat to the men, and so they decided to work on her weaknesses, all begun by Roddy because Amy spurned him.... and they did not want to get rid of her just yet... they wanted to humiliate her until she fell apart.. thereby unable to even catch her breath and attack back. OK.. end of rant...roflmbo.. Now I will read over what I wrote later today and wish I could erase it... but for now.. damn I am angry that Amy has to leave. I want her to leave... for her own sake... but I am damn angry that she is being forced to... and for all the wrong reasons. |
Earthmother | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 03:41 pm     Marcellus needs to practice what he preaches when talking about playing with dignity. |
Crossfire | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 03:48 pm     Hmmmph, I do NOT prefer blondes, proof in the 'question for the guys thread'. Generalizations are troublesome. |
Aylana | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 03:55 pm     ROFLMBO@Crossfire As I stated in my post... we know it is not true, or else Clairol would rule the world.. but it is Society's Style Makers.. the fashion mags, the commercials, that push the idea that being blonde is somehow more attractive than being brunette... I am a blonde, and trust me...lol I have yet to feel like blondes have more fun...hahahahaha |
Earthmother | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 03:58 pm     I'm blond and I haven't had any fun yet. (just playing the pity card, don't mind me) |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 04:02 pm     I've been blonde! And a redhead. And a brunette. And variations on each of those themes as some point in my life. Right now I'm sporting the "natural look" which includes many, many strands of silver/gray. Which one is more fun? Couldn't possibly choose. |
Cute1073 | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 04:06 pm     jeeze guys, did you read any of the previous threads? Such a turn around in attitudes about this event from last night. Last night everyone agreed (or seemed to) that regardless of what the intentions of that meeting were it DID help Amy feel better. For those that were sleeping or whatever, amy was not humliated or any of that....she loved being the center of attention and was very perky after it was all over. She absolutely love it i'm telling you. So please...i understand some don't like kiki or whatever but don't change what happened to suit how you feel about her. Kiki did want to do something nice (and talked about it later that it was her motivation) and even if some of the stuff they said was not completely sincere Amy ATE IT UP...she loved it! I can't say this enough...please if you are an Amy fan at least be happy knowing she did leave that meeting feeling better, and liked. Look at the pictures of her during the meeting..the hugs...the hammock time with Marc afterwards all signs that she was much happier than when it began ok...i'm done MY rant now. |
Curlyq | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 04:12 pm     Not to continue on a tangent, but didn't the whole blonde ideal go out with the 80s? Not that they aren't still pretty of course, but the idea of only blonde being beautiful hasn't seemed as strong since Cindy Crawford came on the scene. Then there was the whole Latin explosion, and then just this past year all the famous blondes started dying their hair brown. I'd like to think that we've reached the point where all beauty is recognized. Back to the subject though, I do agree with about 25% of what you wrote, Aylana, as far as Amy being a threat to the girls. She was able to turn both Roddy's and Eric's heads without resorting to lewd behavior. That made her competition for more than just the prize money. I just don't agree with the rest. She was never competing with Danielle for the attention of any hetero black male, so it wouldn't have mattered if she was seen as more attractive than Danielle. I don't buy the whole Jason thing either. I think the others are voting her out simply because they're afraid of Roddy & the gang. |
Aylana | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 04:17 pm     Ohhh Cute... I was not even really relating to last night per se... I was being miserable over what I am imagining will take place now... after the let's be nice to Amy... sincere or not, it was wonderful to see her happy... but again, it is what I think will now happen.... after all the nice nice, Amy still will get kicked in the teeth... I think the "cheer" is what has me believing there was no real sincerity in any of last night's little charade. I do not dislike any of the guests.. and in fact, think that they are playing the game the exact way there were cast to play it... rough, ugly.... and so on those terms they are playing the game great... and I am enjoying it. I am simply a sap for the underdog... I have myself been the new girl in school, the girl with the funny accent, the girl that the boys liked but the girls hated... lol I was strong enough and had enough family support to understand and then turn around the negativity.. To just wait it out, until the girls got to know me.. the real me... but I do not think Amy can.. it is too late at any rate.. and it appears there is no real family support. I do not think Amy played the game at all.. not the way it was set up to be played. I wish I could wake up and find she was conning them all... but... oh well...lol I like Lisa... she would not be my best friend.. or maybe she would.. but I have yet to emulate anyone... so I could be her friend and still tell her she was a "bit*h"...hahahahaha |
Cute1073 | Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 04:26 pm     thanks alyanna...you're right Amy definately did not play the game. Well...I take that back, I believe she tried, she just wasn't any good at it. The thing with the campaigning (and i said this last night). It is a sensitive issue especially when you're up with a friend. I think anybody can TRY to camapign they just have to suffer the consequences if they aren't any good at it (ie Amy last night). See, if Amy had found a more subtle way of campaigning to stay in the house (if she wanted to stay) There may have been a few sneaky things she could have done. However, Amy wasn't good at playing the game, she even said last night she feels like she's at a slumbar party. Nothing wrong with that....if you're actually at a slumber party. She is in a very cut throat game and just isn't the kind of girl who can play it well. Now....take a look at Danielle (who I DO believe had motivation for starting everything up last night) and Jason...who is very sneaky and doesn't seem to have a problem with lying (see the lfp from last night). These are definately people who know what they are doing in the game. I am VERY impressed with them. |
Kmjm | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 12:45 am     Well, I'm happy to see that Amy seems to be doing OK tonight. Will be interested in seeing if she and Marcellus follow the script she lined up for their departure last night. It was too funny- each pretending that they wanted to be evicted, and her shoving him out of the way. I liked her fake begging on the TV tonight with Eric's veto! She's nothing if not amusing! |
Vicdon | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 07:32 am     Thanks for the summary Wcv63! That cleared up everything! |
Twiggyish | Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 07:43 am     Did Chiara do her farewell cheer for Amy? |
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