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Bmh

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ya I agree it isn't going to be 2 girls because Gerry wouldn't have mentioned puttin up Eric if he was def. puttin up the girls..
If Eric and Lisa are nominated..from the looks of it Eric would be gone..but everyone would think Lisa would go..that is what is cool about them being nominated everybody would expect to see Lisa go but she wouldn't..cuz the vote would be
Votes to evict Eric:
Chiara,Danielle,Jason,Marcellas

Votes to evict Lisa:
Roddy and Josh

I would love to see the looks on Roddy and Josh's face if Eric got evicted opposed to Lisa

Bmh

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh Ryn..I mean a GOOD crazy lol..that would be awesome..I just mean it would be crazy in the house if that happened..but i agree with you that Lisa and Eric are up for nomination

Draheid

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Gerry puts up Chiara & Eric ...
... and Roddy gets veto does he:
A) Save his 'Buddy' (Eric) and alienate his G/F
B) Save his G/F and lose his 'Buddy'
C) Abstain and let his vote cancel out Lisa's

... and Lisa gets Veto does she:
A) Save her B/F and alienate the 'Girl Power'
B) Save Chiara and lose her B/F
C) Abstain and let her vote cancel out Roddy's

Abstention by either would effectively give the rest of the house choice over who goes out ...

Too many scenarios to list ... thought these two were the best to consider...IMHO
... Roddy gets veto and saves Eric, he loses Chiara
...

Cyn

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ryn, apologies for the vulgarity that's about to come from my finger tips.

but, chiara squirms enough already.

as for pressure, someone has had to tell her we know about silverstein; and, she has to know if we know – then the post (NY paper) knows.

ps - they (the post) do, too. it didn't make page 6 (they wouldn't touch that - too dangerous (?)); but, it made the entertainment section.

Dagny

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cyn...didn't they tell Chi that the internet figured out her code?

Cyn

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yeah, i think they did.

Gouraphik

Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've been wracking my brain to figure out a way to guarantee (as much as is possible in this game) that Roddy gets the boot. I think I've got one, although it would be tricky.

First of all, Gerry shouldn't nominate Eric & Roddy or Roddy & Josh. In fact, he shouldn't have Roddy up there with anybody in the first round of noms. Doing so would mean destroying the deal he made with Roddy.

Being a "man of prinicples", I doubt that Gerry could bring himself to do something so brazen. Also, Roddy would not necessarily be toast. He'd likely survive, and make Gerry's life a living hell. The same goes with putting up Josh.

If Roddy's up first, he has too many chances to get free. A Core 4 member could win the Veto. Josh could win the Veto and free him (even if you told him not to, you can't trust Josh in the end). The Clique (Dani, Jason, and Marc) might go crazy and free him. And, last but not least, Roddy would turn up the charm and try to make it so that the vote did not tie out. He might fail at that, but you can't even give him the chance to try.

So what should Gerry do?

Put up Eric & Lisa. They're the two next best 6-packers (or 5-packers technically) to put up other than Roddy & Josh.

Make a deal with the Clique to get Veto and use it, removing Lisa. Make a deal with Josh to not try and get Veto, but if he wins it, to not use it (you can't tell him too much, or he'll blab, so this'll have to do). Amend the deal with Roddy so that he does not try to get Veto, but refrains from using it if he does win. Warn him that if Chiara wins Veto and uses it, the deal will be considered null and void and he'll be put up.

Since it still benefits Roddy to win the Veto in this situation (since he'd be immune, have Eric back, and potentially be rid of Chiara or a non-Core 4 member without sullying his hands), Gerry should also encourage the Clique to eliminate Roddy (if possible) from the Veto competition.

Once a Clique member or Chiara uses the Veto, removing Lisa, Gerry throws up Roddy. This way, Roddy can't wriggle free. If Roddy brings up the deal, Gerry just needs to say that it applied to the original nominations only. It's shady, but it'll do.

The most useful situations come voting time would then be the following:

a) Lisa & Chiara vote to evict Eric, Josh votes to evict Eric, and the Clique votes to evict Roddy. Gerry breaks the tie, and Roddy's out.

b) Lisa votes to evict Roddy. Chiara votes to evict Eric. Josh votes to evict Eric or Roddy, and the Clique votes to evict Roddy. Roddy's out.

c) Lisa & Chiara vote to evict Roddy, Josh votes to evict Eric (or Roddy), and the Clique votes to evict Roddy. Roddy's out, tie or no.

The risks are that Roddy might win the Veto, or that Josh might use the Veto (to save Eric...you'd throw Roddy up anyway, but the potential of losing Lisa instead of Roddy comes into play), or that the Clique will not vote as a unit. Those are acceptable risks in my view.

Here's hopin' that Gerry either does something like this or gets real lucky.

Gouraphik

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 12:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a small amendment to my first post (the one at 09:27 pm)

When I said:

"It would also be wise to make sure that Roddy prevents Chiara from using it if she wins the Veto. If she does, Gerry should make it perfectly clear that Roddy would be up in Eric or Lisa's place."

After thinking about it, I think that Gerry should NOT do this. Instead, he should just request that Roddy abstain from getting the Veto, and make sure that he gets eliminated from the Veto competition quickly (if it's like the 1st & 3rd comp's, it's possible).

If, heaven forbid, Chiara wins the Veto, it would be wise to let Roddy convince Chiara to use it. That way, Gerry could put Roddy up, and get him out once and for all.

However, If Roddy figures it out, he'll make sure that Chiara doesn't do it in order to save his own butt. Obviously, it'd be preferable if a Clique member won the Veto. Nonetheless, Gerry could still make it work under the Chiara as Vetoer scenario, so it ain't all bad.

Anyway, we'll see come nomination & Veto time if any of this stuff comes to pass, won't we? :)

Eden

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gouraphik, I agree, you were made to play this game!!! Love the plan for Gerry to save face and STILL put Roddy up and out! I don't have one but God, I love a devious mind! Good work!

Have to admit, I'd still love to see Eric and Roddy up against each other regardeless of Gerry's "deal" with Roddy. This is a GAME and DAMN that would be FUN! To quote a most unpopular house guest... "so sad, too bad.".

This is the week to oust Roddy. Everyone that isn't in the "fab four", and you can tell by the number stated that doesn't include Josh, should read the writing, take a deep breath and make the vote! They'll breathe easier after!

Wedge

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gouraphik: I want you as HoH! Now we just gotta figure a way to somehow get you over that wall and in that house...

John32070

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it should be Eric and Lisa. Not so much because they are a couple, but because both would vote Gerry out if he was up (especially Lisa). This way, he gets rid of one vote against him.

Marysafan

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 12:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"If Gerry puts up one of us four he is fried!"

as opposed to what...boiled?

Like they aren't going to nominate him if he refrains...yeah right!

Kissysmom

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 12:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My thoughts EXACTLY Mary..

Like they AREN'T going to nominate him anyway!

He may as well put up Roddy and Eric..then we'll see if the words Roddy said to Chiara this morning still hold true! He told her that if Gerry puts up two of the four, that the other two MUST NOT use the veto if they win it as it wouldn't be "fair" to the other two.

Snee

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree with others here that gerry won't put up roddy because of the deal they made. i don't think gerry will want to break his word--even though in the game, that kind of thing is de rigeur. so, roddy not an option, i would say definitely put up eric and chiara. they are the most loyal to king roddy. i would love to watch the drama there! i think either of them going would weaken the Group of Four more than lisa going would.

Snee

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ooh, this is fun! pleeeeease gerry, don't do anything stupid...like putting up josh or someone in the other alliance. then you really are "f***ing fried!"

Bmh

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ewww Gerry's brain is fried..he is washing his gross,sweaty t-shirt in the kitchen sink what is he thinkin??..he better not let Dani find out about that..she will freak

Wcv63

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry will be sliced, diced and served over ice regardless of his nominations. He might as well make them meaningful.

Susieq

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Wcv63, Gerry needs to nomininate those who are the most threatening in the house. Roddy must go, so he can put him up against Lisa, and the others will go in time...but he must break the clicks. Josh is not a threat at this point, he'll get his chance sooner or later...

Jedidiyah

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As nice as it is to get rid of Roddy I don't think that it would be in Gerry's best interest. Right now there are two alliances in the house, the core four and the clique of three people, and two outcasts, Josh and Jerry. So this week he nominates whoever two as long as they are from the core four and veto won't matter as far as the numbers are concerned. This equates the numbers in the alliance and counteralliance and makes him indispensable to whichever wins HoH next week. The clique is based more on loyalty so he has no chance there but they are preoccupied with Roddy and won't target Gerry any time soon. Core four, however, is more like a business arrangement. So if one of the remaining three wins HoH next week Gerry can go to Roddy and offer his services as number four. Why Roddy? First of all he has already been making deals with him even after his defection and more importantly, he is the only one who makes decisions based on strategy and not on emotions. It will matter not to him that Gerry is a 'traitor' as long as he is useful, whereas no other member of the four would deal with him. If Gerry can go back and forth like this between the alliances keeping the balance of numbers we may end up seeing him, Jason/Danielle and Roddy in the final three. If he manages as much as keeping his new 'buddy' Josh till the end they can dump the remaining alliance member and each have a good chance of winning in the finals. That would be a real disaster.

Wedge

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dunno, but I think Gerry is making a HUGE mistake putting Lisa up with the excuse that she's sick...and to put her up against Eric?? If he was using his smarts he would figure out a way to put Roddy up with Eric. After all deals or no deals, they all turn on each other. Granted he is a goner, but I wish he would go out with some moxy.

Bmh

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 02:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ya Gerrry shouldn't be playing the sick card it is stupid...but it wont matter..Eric will go if he is nominated against her..Roddy already told everyone not to use the veto..and D/J/M have already decided to target R and E and then C isn't goin to vote against L so the vote will be 4-2 Eric evicted..I cant wait to see the look on Josh and Roddy's face when Eric walks out the door

Realtvfan

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Gerry should work Roddy in private for this before announcing the nominations. Gerry can confirm the agreement from last week that Gerry will not nominate Roddy. Then Gerry can ask Roddy if he wants Chiara nominated this week. Forcing Roddy to answer that question YES/NO works for Gerry no matter what the answer. If yes, Roddy owes Gerry for putting up Chiara for Roddy by doing Roddy's dirty work. If No, Roddy owes Gerry for not putting up Chiara yet. Since Gerry and Roddy are both favorites in the HOH competition, the "team" of Roddy and Gerry could potentially "run" the house for a while.
Eric would then be the certain nominee. Lisa or Chiara, depending on Roddy's choice would be the other nominee. If Roddy is as smart as Roddy appears, this is a definately win-win for both Gerry and Roddy.

Gerry is not going to do this, but what a chess move that question for Roddy would be.

Chyang

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 04:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Realtvfan, but couldn't the great KingRod refuse to make that decisoin(Y/N to nom Chiara) and turn around tell the rest of the house, giving every hgs new amo/excuse to put Gerry out asap?

I like the senerio in Goura~'s second post(Fri.10:59p), it will take lots of luck to bullzeye the Rod, but how wonderful for them if it'd work! Or, at least one of them "Gang of Four" will have to say bye-bye!

BTW, it did restart the fire in me when Gerry landed HOH. Just in time!
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Realtvfan

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 05:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chyang.

I wanted Gerry to put it to Roddy "Yes or No". Gerry just had to say "Silence and/or obfuscation will be considered a 'YES' to nominate Chiara".

Roddy is slick. It would have been nice to put Roddy in a position where Roddy had to make a big decision. Gerry would have had Roddy hanging either way. For me, it would have been fun to watch.

I'm still very happy with the Eric/Lisa nomination.

I was very happy when it was Eric and Gerry involved in a mathematics question. Gerry was the odds-on-favorite as soon as they asked the question.

Spunky

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 05:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And Josh is laughing all the way to the Finals..

Draheid

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 10:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just had a thought ... the title says "If Gerry puts up one of us four he is Fried!" ... what will he be now that he put TWO of them up?

Just curious! :)

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 10:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Draheid -
I would guess that would make him "deep fat fried". :-)

Battlestar

Friday, August 02, 2002 - 10:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
he's fondued/ cut up into little pieces and then fried

Ellenkats

Saturday, August 03, 2002 - 10:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
>>"If Gerry puts up one of us four he is Fried!" ... what will he be now that he put TWO of them up?<<

Um, shaved, battered in cream, and then fried?