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Archive through July 24, 2002
Auntie | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:55 pm     1st Post! Jason has already shown his dark side. A good "Christian" boy, he's shown no compassion for Gerry, the outcast. He's forgotten that Jesus not only found his followers among the outcast but also told his followers to bring comfort to the outcast. He's far too concerned about looking "good" himself than actually doing/being "good." He pats himself on the back and modestly (ha!) accepts the congratulations of the others for his goodness. |
Tortie2k | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:58 pm     Good first post, Auntie. Jason would not be the first to not exactly practice what he preaches. |
Scorpiomoon | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:12 pm     Whoah ho! Good post, Auntie! I never thought of it that way before! And Verdana, you make some excellent points too. |
Wcv63 | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:13 pm     Just because the others in the house call him "Jesus Christ" or "The Messiah" does not make him above the pitfalls we mere mortals must endure. As a matter of fact, Jason never claimed to be "good" nor has he ever at any point held himself up as being better than anyone else. He didn't volunteer the information that he was a virgin. He also doesn't "use" his status as some kind of moral yardstick that all others should be measured by. As a matter of fact, during a conversation yesterday with the group he was asked if he required his future wife to be a virgin also. His response; "No, I might be missing out on an incredible woman." The only ones who are attributing a "holier than thou" attitude on Jason are some people here on this board. Love this guy. Think he's wonderful. Edited to add: He also has not once pushed his religion on anyone. He has answered questions but I have yet to hear him be the one to broach the subject. |
Aremid | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:19 pm     I like what you said Wcv63. I admire Jason for standing up for what he believes in, even if it puts him in an awkward position. It is hard enough to live in that house anyway, but when you're so different in so many ways, it is just that much harder. I hope he hangs in there. |
Nicoledfw | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:27 pm     Jason's not a bible thumper, he just believe's in God..alot! I think that when a person openly says that they are religious..or have certain belief's in a religion..they're immediatly called "holier than thou.." or whatever. The guy is religiouse, not in a cult..and he's a virgin, but not promoting being one. He's just a guy who's in a house with different kinds of people, and he happens to be the most different. Too much judging going on here. |
Damfino | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:55 pm     Oh my goodness... he doesn't care for San Francisco... he displayed a lack of knowledge of the city's park system... he stated a political opinion that seems to demonstrate a conservative bent... EVICT HIM! He makes his lying, foul-mouthed, backstabbing housemates seem angelic in comparison! |
Muse | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 02:03 pm     Actually, Jason has shown some compassion towards Gerry. He has commented that he's uncomfortable with how Josh calls him a "nazi", and I'm guessing that he's tempted to vote for Josh because of the way he treats Gerry. Additionally, Jason is not avoiding Gerry like many of the others...he's willing to sit and talk with him, play cards with him, etc. He also doesn't really get into the bashing sessions - they usually stop when Jason enters the room anyway. The worst that Jason has said, really, is that he's thought about voting off Gerry in order to improve the mood of the house. There's a lot of negativity surrounding Gerry (justified or not). And yes - it's unfair to hold Jason to higher standards than anyone else. Amy, Gerry, and Danielle are also Christian, from what I can tell. Josh is Jewish. Why the higher standards for just Jason? He never put himself on a pedestal. |
Auntie | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 02:12 pm     Actions speak louder than words. Jason has shown very little compassion for the outcast Gerry. He's joined the others in bashing Gerry, just by sitting & listening to it without saying a word. Finally, today he mentioned to someone else that he's getting tired of Josh bashing Gerry. I'd like to see him walk over to Gerry & spend time with him, more than a few minutes. Jason is not "the most different" in the house at this time. Gerry is! At least Tonya is willing to sit & chat (inanely, yes) with Gerry, even though it's made her a target (although she probably doesn't know it). Jason isn't even willing to make himself a target for the sake of kindness. "Too much judgine going on here"? What do you expect in a thread that's titled "When is Jason going to snap and show his dark side"? LOL |
Crossfire | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 02:12 pm     I am curious, is what Verdana said true? Did he go off on SF and liberals? This is the first I have heard talk of this. If so, what was his point? How did the topic come up? Who was he talking with? |
Bmh | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 02:28 pm     Ok I have a question about Jason...Did anyone read or watch the live feeds or posts last night?? because I know Roddy was trying to convince him to keep Josh in the house..did Jason agree and actually say he would vote to evict Tonya??..and did he agree to being part of the "6 pack"?? Just some thoughts because if he did agree to any of those things I would think he would talk to Danielle before he made his final decsion on who he was voting for. Because I think you guys found Jason's dark side if he is low enough to join the six pack |
Cajunrambler | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 08:57 pm     Muse, you quoted: "And yes - it's unfair to hold Jason to higher standards than anyone else. Amy, Gerry, and Danielle are also Christian, from what I can tell. Josh is Jewish. Why the higher standards for just Jason? He never put himself on a pedestal." The definition of a Christian is; a follower of Jesus Christ and being Christlike. So far the only two that I can discern is Danielle and Jason. Gerry to some degree with his handling of Josh by turning the other cheek. I have never heard so much foul and vulgar language like I hear from the others. I don't see that as being Christlike. Jason and his association with the six-pack reminds me of Jesus sitting and eating with the publicans and sinners. Remember he was the Light of the world. Jason's was placed there to be a shining light in a dark world, not a judge and jury. He is different and his character will be tested, but I think he will prevail. |
Verdana | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 09:42 pm     Nicoledfw says that Jason is not a Bible thumper. Honey, I don't know that we know yet that he is not a Bible thumper but that's all right baby. Jason made the statements about San Francisco and liberals on Sunday night, I believe it was. A group of the HGs were in the bedrooms and the whole group sounded to me like they were of a right-wing bent and then that's when Jason chimed in with this San Francisco stuff. He went on to make a statement against the Democrats. I'm here to tell you that I didn't know there were any of those left anymore; they've all joined that other party. I didn't listen much more as I can only take so much right-wing bile (and that's what it sounded like to me honey) at one sitting. |
Damfino | Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 06:10 am     Thank goodness that there's a left-wing bent in the house as well to balance these right-wing heretics. Between the ex-pres getting "s***-faced" at Amy's parents' house (her words, not mine) and Chiara's desire to be a swinger after marriage, the right-wing bile-spewers don't stand a chance. How dare Jason make a statement against the Democrats? Seriously, since when did it become horrible for someone to be conservative? I can understand differing with him politically, but I sense a deep intolerance for his views and his faith that totally bely the "freedom of speech" that liberals claim to champion. The prevailing attitude seems to be that bigotry and intolerance are unacceptable - unless directed towards Christians and conservatives. |
Verdana | Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 10:38 am     Damfino: No baby, there was no deep "intolerance" from me for Jason's views. You see honey, I tolerated them (I put up with them) big time which is how I know what he said, honey. I didn't tune him out. Now baby, I didn't agree with what he was saying---just as you don't agree with what I wrote---because some of what he said was bad information. I don't like ignorance and Jason is ignorant about San Francisco, for example. But honey I'm here to tell you that by the tone of your posting it sounds like to me that you might want to look at who is "intolerant" of a liberal person (me) expressing their views. When did it become horrible for someone to be conservative? Honey, I never used the word conservative. That's your word baby. I don't use that word "conservative" because in my mind what people call "conservatives" are really right-wing ideologues. For example, if "conservatives" were really conservative they would be trying to CONSERVE the environment, for example, not wreck it by gutting the Clean Water and Clean Air Acts and putting international environmental treaties in the garbage bin. They would be trying to conserve the Arts, not dismantle them. They would be trying to conserve our civil liberties and freedoms, not dismantle them under the guise of the US Patriot Act. Get my point baby? I think you get my drift. In your profile you say that the celebrity you resemble most is that right-wing ideologue Phyllis Shoofly piece of work. Really? My goodness. |
Texastillie | Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 10:55 am     Jason is not REALLY Jesus Christ, the other HGs just call him that. A person does not have to be able to walk on water to be a really good person. Being a Christian is NOT political! Jason did make a pact with Roddy to band with the guys (not the 6-pack). |
Max | Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 10:59 am     Okay, let's not turn this into a political discussion laced with sarcasm, okay? I will say one thing, though, in response to the question, "...since when did it become horrible for someone to be conservative?" Probably right around the time it became popular to refer to liberals as if they were something to be scraped off the bottom of one's shoes. Both sides sling generalizations like a fry cook slings hash browns at breakfast. So don't go there, okay? It sounds like Jason has some learning to do about places he's never been, San Francisco being one of them. That's not so unusual for a 25-year-old, is it? He's been given some incorect information and he echoed it. Not really a cause to dislike him, IMHO, but definitely incentive to want to have a chat with him and maybe invite him to come with me on a tour of The City (I used to live there).  |
Damfino | Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 11:05 am     Verdana, I respectfully ask that you please not refer to me as "baby" or "honey". If we were acquainted it might be appropriate; however, it comes across as hostile, demeaning, and intentionally insulting. You seem to be trying to minimize me as a person rather than respecting me as a human being. I don't mind sharing views with you but I do mind being degraded. Frankly, I feel no need to defend my politics, and I don't care what yours are. My politics inform which chad I push on election day and which non-profits I support. They do not inform my friendships and relationships with people. I simply tried to point out that to hate Jason because of the things he said seemed pretty trivial compared to some of the really disgusting things going on in the house. You come across as having a knee-jerk, gut-level reaction to "right-wingers". You obviously disagree with him and consider him ignorant, but your hatred seems way out of proportion. You come across as having a knee-jerk, gut-level reaction to "right-wingers". As for the Phyllis Schlafly, I put that in there as a joke because I knew it would make people go, "huh?" and at the time I couldn't think of anyone. But I do admire her. Does that make me a lesser human being? It seems as if you've already decided that my politics and opinions preclude my ability to be counted as a person who deserves basic courtesy and respect. |
Crossfire | Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 11:12 am     I do believe 'condescending' is the word you were looking for. |
Damfino | Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 11:40 am     Thanks Crossfire! Verdena, I apologize - "degrading" is too strong a word, "condescending" is what I meant. My apologies to all; I did not mean for my participation in this thread to cross the line. |
Crossfire | Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 11:44 am     Your welcome. No need to apologize in my mind though. Without taking sides, I could see that a reply was called for. |
Texastillie | Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 12:12 pm     Verdana, you have a right to your opinion and we all enjoy reading the various points of view concerning the game, but your post was, indeed, very personally demeaning. Appropriate response, Damfino. |
Cajunrambler | Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 12:16 pm     It would be nice to get back on the topic of this thread. |
Crossfire | Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 12:19 pm     We are all waiting, I am sure it will spring to life if it turns out he has a dark side. |
Auntie | Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 12:21 pm     Well, Cajunrambler, didn't Dani & Jason snigger quietly last night about being "evil"? Or did some live-feed reporter just make that up? |
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