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Minnyace01

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregonfire and Cute1073 - I took the night off tonight so I could let the bruises get better (last night was a rough crowd), but I bet you both kind of feel like Butch and Sundance did when they were down in Bolivia.

Shannonu

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just had to throw my two cents in here. :)

Some people have said that the way Chiara acts is just her showing her insecurity. Why can't you see that the way Amy acts is her showing HER insecurity. Amy was shocked at Chiara's sexual antics(the orgasm sounds, the air humping, the sexual comments out of the blue, the Tonya shower thing). I'm sure she is not used to that sort of thing especially after only knowing someone for a short time. She is out of her element and unsure how to act around people like this. So she tries to hide her discomfort by talking alot and saying inane things.

People take this as selfishness and say she is self-centered when I see it as her just being nervous. She truly does not know how to relate to people like this.

She has said some nasty things about the others but that goes both ways. They have said some pretty nasty things about her also. Even on one of the shows last week Chiara called Amy a f'n B(bleeped out of course) And of course, the whole Roddy thing really threw her. Here is attractive man flirting with her and shes assumes since he is flirting she can flirt back but instead she gets slammed. No one in the house slammed Roddy for having such a HUGE crush on Chiara but still kissing Amy.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I believe Amy is really just misunderstood. She has a paticular brand of humor and personality that these people just don't get (except Marcellas). Of course this means that she doesn't play the game well. I knew she wouldn't win but I do love her so. She is just a hurt, scared little girl.

And this is from a born and bred, big city 'yankee'.

Cute1073

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
perhaps, but I have trouble feeling sorry for someone that constantly talks about how much better she is than everyone else. At least Chiara has admitted her insecurities, she's even been ready to put aside differences a few times but Amy just kept it going. I have not seen Amy talk about anything besides how other people suck, or how great her life is and how much better it is than others.
Sorry, i'm sticking by Chiara, I think she gets way too much of a bad rap in some of the discussion rooms. I actually flip cameras until i see her because I find her the most interesting. Amy just bores and discusts me

Oregonfire

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I come from the background of being the picked on kid, and I just feel that if I was stuck with a popular girl and was the loser geek chick, that I would rather that popular girl be Chiara than Amy. Amy seems like she would be ruthless. And the reason that Amy slams Chiara are similiar reasons that she may have slammed me (not going to go into it too much--that's private.) I will say that I know what it's like to be judged a prissy girl one minute and then a wh*r* in ten seconds flat. I also don't like to see women slam other women so harshly on sexual behavior because we are ALL judged too harshly in that respect.

Totally speculating here, and I know I slammed that last night in a post, but I speculate that in her outside life, Amy is the snotty girl with an unfriendly attitude towards other women, while Chi Chi could be a truer friend. JMO

Kappy

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alot too might depend on the hour that someone is watching the live feeds. For me, it's just really getting old hearing Chiara play the victim of Amy. Or "I hate Amy." Or "Amy is a B----." I mean everytime I've turned on the feeds in the last week, it seemed like that was all I heard is Chiara playing the victim somehow and blaming Amy for it. I don't know. But I really don't see how Amy is so horrible and Chiara is so sweet.

And maybe it's also because I have seen it from the view that Wcv described as to how the TLC group treated Amy from day one. And like Marcellas, I have a tendency to always go with the underdog.

Shannonu

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't apoligize for sticking by your choice, Cute. You are entitled to. I don't really have a problem with Chiara. I see her insecurities too. I think Amy's feelings toward Chiara actually stemmed from one of the first things Chiara said to her. About her stomach and the belly button peircing. To Amy that was a breach of good manners and of course she wouldn't forget it.

I think that Chiara and Amy actually have more in common than we or they realize. One thing being that they both are only there to have fun. Neither seems very interested in the game. That caused Amy's downfall and will eventually cause Chiara's also.

Cute1073

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see that the 'TLC' group treated Amy that badly, they shouldn't be critized for forming close friendships. I didn't see anyone critizing Amy until after she started to Play and be played by Roddy. In fact I remember Lisa and Chiara talking the second week about how awsome Amy was, especially when she was nominated because she reacted so well. In fact I even liked her then, I thought that was so cool.
Then Amy started to talk to Marc about how she has a crush on Roddy and wants to take him away from Chiara (at this point chiara hadn't really said much at all about amy) Amy thought that would be funny (yeah real hilarious), she said that all the women were sl*ts because they talk about sex and that Chiara had to go because she is a wh*re and a s*ut because she talks about sex stuff.....
Well, thats my take, and I think that Amy is really judgemental (as are some on this web site) about people who talk about their sexuality. Whats so bad about that? Who cares? I'm sure even Jason doesn't think of them as s*uts and he's religious! A just hides behind the bible when it's convienent. Where in the bible does it say that it's ok to scheme to hurt people behind their back (ie the planning to 'steal' Roddy thing)
There...my two cents

Toolhound

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Any has been complaining about the house playing jr. high school games since she got there and she is the one that is making up 3rd grade names for other house guests. I will be glad to see this rat home eating her cheese.

Kappy

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregon, you make some really good points about the picked on "geek" kid versus the popular kid and I think this BB more then any other has really brought up alot of high school issues with alot of people here ~ because the entire house is functioning on just that level. But having two teens in the house, my impression is that Amy is the very one who WOULD befriend the outsider geek. And my impression of Chiara is that she has always been in that girl clique that made sure to keep the Amys at bay, especially from their boyfriends. I keep thinking of all the teen movies out there and how I always tell my kids that that isn't the way it is or it isn't how people should treat each other and then we sit down and watch this particular BB and boom, it's just like a bad teen movie in how awful they are to each other.

But again, I'm going with the underdog, which to me has been Amy since day one. And heck ~ she's most likely out this week so you guys can rejoice, right? LOL ~ Peace!

Oregonfire

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, in my school the truly popular girls weren't bad at all. They were smart, athletic, and not particularly catty. We didn't talk much, but that's okay. I wasn't seeking their attention, so it didn't matter to me.

It's the WANNABE popular girls that are ruthless. The social climbers and the like. I got stuck with them in middle school because my mom was friends with one of the other girl's moms. I hated being in that group, and finally defected from their lunch table and sat with a group of gamma types--good grades and nice. A good decision for a sixth grader. (see current debate in the media--alpha, beta, and gamma girls.)

Okay why am I talking about this!?

Shannonu

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree about the high school issues also. Both Amy and Chiara are acting childish. I believe Amy would have done better with a different group of people. She really did distance herself from the girls in the beginning. After Chiara made that fat stomach comment to Amy she felt slighted and embarrassed in her bikini. And she doesn't tan so that leaves out the tanning bonding. She also doesn't talk about her sex life with strangers so that leaves out the sex bonding. Ahhh, poor Any was doomed from the start.

Oregonfire

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What was the fat stomach comment? I missed that.

Shannonu

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe it was the first or second day of the feeds. Chiara was giggling with Lisa and Tonya about how she told Amy that if she were going to have a belly button ring she should get rid of the fat on her stomach and firm it up and how Amy's face dropped. It's not really offensive when spoken to a close friend but when it is said to someone you just met....well it just shouldn't have been said.

Oregonfire

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, that is rude! I don't like that comment. And the way that Chi Chi is eating (shoving the brownies in her mouth), she should not be one to talk. Her metabolism is not going to stay the same forever. When she hits 30, she'll be in for a shock.

I'd hate for Chi Chi to see the fairy ring around my belly button--she'd have a conniption fit!

Shannonu

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep I don't think Chiara has had to worry about her weight too much yet but it will happen. Oh yes, it will happen! *evil laugh*

j/k

Cute1073

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ok, now, don't you think that it negates any critisms you may have of kiki saying some fat comment (that may be taken out of context now, remember that) by starting in on Her eating habits? what has that got to do with anything? Two wrongs don't make a right!
Plus, I didn't hear this tummy peircing comment but who knows about the context and what chiara was actually trying to say at the time. I have made really bad comments myself before without realizing it just because i'm a blunt person, and an honest person.
This is the whole problem with the malicious feelings in the house. One person gets upset and says something mean and the other person hears about it so they say something mean.....it just seems to me that Amy takes it to the exceptionally petty level and critizing qualities about Chiara that aren't actually there (like she's a sl*t just because she's open about her sexuality)

Oregonfire

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh well, guess I'll just have to live with myself. I have my favorites, but I'm not a saint.

Shannonu

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 01:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cute, I actually heard Chiara say she said this so it wasn't misconstrued or taken out of context. She did say though that she was just being honest. Honesty is fine and good but when it isn't really necesary and hurts someone in the process you should just try not to say anything. And tell others and giggle about it after the fact.

I am not critizing Chiara and I admit that some of Amy's comments about Chiara are horrid. She really should watch what she says too. Amy really doesn't sugar coat things.

I just wish they would BOTH grow up.

Cute1073

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 02:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, I agree, thats what i mean when I said that one person says something and then another says something back just to hurt
I was just trying to put it into perspective. I just (again coming from my own experiences again) know that I've often made an 'honest' comment and realized afterwards that it was not the best idea. So I guess I was just giving kiki the benefit of the doubt...but you're right, it certainly isn't a nice thing to say.
I just wanted to point out that we are critizing kiki and amy for making mean comments and then people come in and make mean comments that are exactly like the ones that are being critized in the house.
Why, if someone says that a woman is fat does it make it right to turn around and say the same thing back? Its not right...and thats my point....and thats why amy and kiki don't get along, they are being childish!
(ed: this is not directed at people in this thread, it's more directed at the maliciousness that has been directed at chiara in many other threads, i've noticed a lot of people being very hard on her, but they are just doing the same thing that they are critizing her for)

Bohawkins

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What surprises me most about Amy is that she would have come into the Big Brother house at all.

Amy surely knew from previous BB shows that people with any pudginess get ridiculed by those with the so-called hard bodies. Amy knows that she is a "soft" body; she looks in the mirror. Surely she is aware that she carries more fat than the current standard of beauty will tolerate.

I personally like a gal to have some softness, so Amy's slightly pudgy figure would not be a problem for me, although, if we were a couple, I would be influencing her to get on a fitness program and to change her exercise and eating habits. I make at least mild efforts to convert everyone to my regimen.

Amy knew full well she is someone who eats indiscriminately, and that the house would have its' group of fitness freaks. I cannot for the life of me, figure why Amy would have subjected herself to an almost sure situation of humiliation.

Perhaps, in Amy's world she has never had anyone tell her that she could benefit from tightening up, or that her diet is not the "beautiful people's" program.

Amy will be happier away from the house. She was a fish out of water from the beginning.

Earthmother

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara didn't handle the slightly pudgy Amy weighing less than her though. Those kinds of comments are hurtful..If Chiara has no social graces then she should have kept her big mouth shut. It's like the idiot who comes up to you in the supermarket and says "Is that your grandchild?" and you have been up all night with the baby, done 4 loads of laundry and have to go to the store for diapers and you are only 29. You want to kill them.......I never have been able to understand people who say things before their brains have been activated.

Sisalou

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good Morning Everyone!

I personally laugh at lots of things that all of the houseguests say. That is one the reason I watch.

Chiara has had me ROTFLMAO with some of her comments i.e. - Gerry's feet on Marc's pillow.

Jason & Roddy & Marc have also had me in hysterics.

I think I'm a pretty nice person but I have had some "mean" thoughts about people and have indulged in sarcastic banter and humor. I laugh and poke fun at myself all of the time.

I didn't intend for this to be a "bashing" thread about anyone and am sorry it became one.

Now, lets all smile and wait for some more catty comments. :)

Azriel

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When I first read Bohawkins post above, I had steam coming out of my ears and I had to walk away from the computer before I posted an ugly reply.

I personally like a gal to have some softness, so Amy's slightly pudgy figure would not be a problem for me, although, if we were a couple, I would be influencing her to get on a fitness program and to change her exercise and eating habits. I make at least mild efforts to convert everyone to my regimen.

It just amazes me that anyone would say that Amy is pudgy. The difference in how we look at people is just unbelievable. I'm not trying to start a 'she's not fat thread here' We have all been there and done that before and it just goes in endless circles. Bo looks at Amy and sees 'pudgy', I look at Amy and see my idea of perfection in a woman's body.

Perhaps, in Amy's world she has never had anyone tell her that she could benefit from tightening up, or that her diet is not the "beautiful people's" program.

I live in Amy's world. Amy probably has a variety of friends of all body types and they don't obsess about body fat or exercise programs. They try to diet and keep their weight down, but they don't judge their physical beauty by how rock hard their abs are. You go to the gym to meet cute guys but you don't work out too hard because you don't want to sweat and get huge muscles and look unfeminine.

Do you get what I'm trying to say? She looks at life and judges herself and the people around her on a totally different scale than the people she is locked up with. I'm not trying to say she is better than anyone else but she has as hard a time understanding the other HGs as I have understanding Bohawkins. Here on the board, I feel like Bohawkins would look down on me, so I think how must Amy feel locked in a house with people who have such a different mindset than her?
(Bohawkins I don't feel like you would literally look down on me as a person, but if you think Amy is pudgy...knowing your mindset I would always feel self-conscious and uncomfortable around you)

It's the same thing with the sexual level in the house. Amy is not used to being around girls that talk so openly and graphically about sex. She isn't a prude or a virgin, she just has a different idea of what is socially acceptable behavior.

My conclusion is that we will continue to disagree and misunderstand the HGs and fellow posters on the board because we are all view this show from the standpoint of our own social environment and upbringing.

Marcieb

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 11:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
(Where have I been with all this going on for page after page? I'm sorry to jump in so late into this thread.)

Back to referring to KiKi as "Ki-wh*ra" on national television...this is beyond anything anyone has said in the DR that's been on the broadcast! And not just once but at least twice! It's tasteless, cruel, unkind, and I'm wondering if it's not slander? (Or is it libel?) This upset me greatly--just as someone else was upset in another thread about the nation hearing from Dani what a poor mother Tonya is. What's said on the feeds is one thing but what's deliberately edited into the family hour TV program from Diary Room conversations is another. I don't blame Amy so much as the producers for this gross misjudgement in content.

(Stepping off the BB3 soap box now that that's off my chest.)

Wcv63

Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Slightly pudgey? In what universe? She is not toned but she is far from pudgey. I totally resent the implication that unless someone is "underweight" that they are (wait...I read this somewhere else on the board regarding Amy)..teetering on the edge of porkiness.

Will no one be happy until each and every television personality is anorexic thin?

I admire those of you who are standing up for Chiara in the face of heavy criticism. Good for you. But we are ALL allowing ourselves to be pulled into the sinners vs. saints trap.

Chiara has the numbers on her side. It's easy to "pick on" someone when you are in a group and have friends that go along with the pack mentality. Amy has had only Marc from the very beginning. Marc was targeted the very first night. He's been on the fringes all his life because of his personal issues. Amy and Marc naturally clicked.

They are all dishing in there. Chiara has a larger pack to run in though. IMO