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Moderator

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 08:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Please take it off the board, you guys...this is way off the topic of whether Amy and Marsellas will walk out. Thank you. (14)

Kaili

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 09:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think that of they had walked out it would have "proven" anything to anybody. They all want those two out at some point anyway, and getting rid of two people would bring everyone else taht much closer to winning. The sixpack (or whatever their numbers are now) would be thrilled and it would only give them even more of an advantage in numbers. If they don't want those people to win, they shouldn't give them such a great advantage.

These people can't give up yet. The big alliance is too big to work and too splintered. There will be more surprise votes and nominations, switching of alliances, etc.

Bastable

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 10:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BB has been very careful to cut to FOTH or cut away every time Amy or Marcellas mention how they were talked out of leaving the house.

Has anyone caught ANYTHING concrete that was said by BB in the DR? I don't mean our guesses about their contracts--I mean actual snippets of information out of the HGs mouths? What did BB say to make them stay?

Crossfire

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 10:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd like to know as well.

I know in the past, some of their tactics were to guilt the person into staying.

"If you leave now, such and such will be alone, they need you."

Kaili

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 11:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That was what I was thinking Crossfire- something about the advantage the walk out would give to the people they feel are evil, trash, etc.

I haven't heard anything about the actual conversation in the DR except the little bit I read on the LFPs. That was them laughing about their drama in there- nothing of what they were told. I don't have feeds though so I'm not the greatest source! :)

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 11:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I see no class in walking out. It is simply saying "I am starting to lose, so I am going home!"
<stamping feet like a 4 year old with a tantrum>

C'mon....they signed up to PLAY A GAME, they didn't sign up to just have the prize handed to them! Don't they realize that even if they don't walk out and if they wind up as the final 2, they will each be nominated again sooner or later before that anyhow? Besides, even at the end, one of them will still lose.

Walking out would make them both look like sore losers, which is what they would be.

Oregonfire

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 11:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think two things worked against Amy and Marcie last week: Marcie winning HOH and them shutting themselves from the other HGs, and the strengh of their friendship itself. They have become each other's crutch and are pretty codependant at this point. If one was there without the other, maybe that person would have done better as an individual. Since one of them is going, next week will be the test of this theory.

Minnyace01

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 11:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregonfire - What hurt Amy was the Roddy - Chiara incident. If she would have directed her attention toward Jason, she wouldn't be in the position that she is in today. Roddy correctly feels that she would now put up Chiara - Lisa or Roddy - Chiara, so he had no choice but to do what he did.

Wcv63

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 11:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bah. I haven't watched the feeds at ALL today. I spent the day with my family going to a birthday party and renting videos.

Personally, I don't see how Marc and Amy even comtemplating walking out would be considered immature and/or being a sore loser. Seems to me that having the courage of your convictions, walking away from something that no longer has any appeal and preferring to give up money/publicity in favor of getting your real life back is anything but those things.

I don't think they'll walk. I think they'll weigh their options and decide to stay the course.

However, I think watching somebody say that no game is worth having to lie down with dogs would be inspiring! Hell, I might even write a sonnet about it!

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 12:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv - I would agree that walking out with head held high and without having compromised one's principles
*after being evicted*, would be a courageous thing, but to just leave the game without maintaining those principles in the face of adversity is just quitting....sort of like holding one's head up and turning the other cheek is more courageous than just hightailing it outta there.

Neither Marcellas or Amy *have* to compromise their values, no matter what the others do or say.

Like that other thread said: "Its a game..it's a game..it's a friggen GAME folks...gawwwwwwwwddddd"

:-) JMO

Wcv63

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 12:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Everything you say is true. However, if I were put into a situation that made my skin crawl I would not hesitate to walk away. This game is about money and/or publicity. It's not about morals, values, integrity or any other highminded principle we may LIKE to assign it.

Seems to me that putting up with the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune would pale in comparison to the hugs of my kids.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 12:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Seems to me that putting up with the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune would pale in comparison to the hugs of my kids."

Good point. Ya know....I was away from the feeds and boards all day, too. When I skimmed this thread, I just got the impression that Marcellas and Amy just got mad cuz they were nominated and wanted to walk out. Now, if something really hateful and mean spirited happened that I am unaware of, then I can see how walking out could be the right thing to do.

Did something really nasty happen...other than Marce just feeling betrayed because he is playing the game as a morality play and the others are playing it for what it is....a game of strategy?

Now I'm curious and wonder if I am missing a major event!

Wcv63

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 12:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
SanFran, nothing major happened that I'm aware of. I consider the way the "girls" have been treating Amy for some time as slings and arrows. I believe that being put into a situation that makes you feel as if you're being attacked is reason enough.

Once it goes past game play and starts getting personal, in any context, I'd consider walking away rather than suffering with dignity. I guess when it comes right down to it I'd make a horrible martyr.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 12:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
:-)

Martyrs are SO overrated! LOL

I guess if Amy and Marce had gotten fed up BEFORE being nominated it wouldn't appear so much like sour grapes.

Azriel

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 06:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Minneyace91 = What hurt Amy was the Roddy - Chiara incident. If she would have directed her attention toward Jason, she wouldn't be in the position that she is in today.


Amy would be in the exact same position even if she had never shown any interest in Roddy. Amy didn't 'go after Roddy' until he started flirting with her (re: Roddy and Chiara's plan to work Jason and Amy) When Amy became aware that she was being played she gave Roddy the cold shoulder.

If Amy made a mistake anywhere it was not in upsetting poor lil Chiara and going after her man,
it was in injuring Roddy's huuuumongous ego. Roddy would have loved nothing more than to juggle two adoring women and referee their catfights.

It seems with Roddy that paybacks are hell. Roddy nominated Amy because she had the audacity to spurn Roddy's attention.

Jesse

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 06:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said Azriel!

What555456

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 06:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They have decided not to walk -- what a surprise!

And why? Because of all the financial benefits they would lose. But they will each continue to argue that they are not really in this for the money!

I LOVE how people self-delude themselves into thinking they are better than they really are.

Marcellus and Amy have just shown themselves to be what all of these people are -- wh*res for TV and money. They will sell their peace of mind, sell their values, sell anything that makes them who they are for money. These people all think themselves so moral and so good -- but when the chips are down, they want the money, no matter how little it is. And in the case of Marcellus and Amy we have just found out their price is very little indeed -- a few weeks of stipends.

What fun to see how low people will go for cash!

Ladytex

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 07:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I agree that if they'd walked BEFORE they were nominated it would make a statement. But walking out right after kinda strikes me as, "it's not going my way ... I'm taking my toys and going home".

Grooch

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 07:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe they need the money and not want it.

What555456

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 07:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The stipend is not that much. If they need the money, they should have stayed home and held down a real job.

Bastable

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I always try to remember how psychologically difficult it must be to stuck in that house... never seeing anyone who you could truly consider a friend.

None of us have ever been in a situation that is even remotely the same. I think it's a very, very troubling thing to go through, and none of us can really understand how a HG copes mentally with it.

Thinking about walking has been something that most HGs did in the last two seasons. I really don't think they usually do want to walk. Rather, saying it is a coping mechanism. It puts a teeny bit of control back into their hands for an hour or two.

Everyone's saying that A and M are cowards for even thinking of it. But I can't agree or disagree. I have never been in such a tough mental situation, and I can't say that if things stopped going my way, I wouldn't say the same things they do in order to cope.

Azriel

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What555456 :The stipend is not that much. If they need the money, they should have stayed home and held down a real job.

Josh said on the feeds one day that the stipend was $104 a day. Umm...that might be chicken feed to some people, but that sounds like damn good money to me. My job feels like a real job...it must not be.

Go on, stick me in a house and tell me I'll get $104 dollars a day and all the pb&j I can eat. You will have to drag me kicking and screaming and pry my fingers off the door to get me out.

Tabbyking

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
you mean 'pry my greasy, peanut butter coated fingers', right azriel?

Azriel

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
~giggle~ yep Tabby! Grape jelly is my favorite, too!!

Draheid

Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Azriel: Are you willing to put on the PB Bikini?