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Hosewater

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seriously, I must've missed something, but I don't understand the almost violent hatred toward Gerry that just about every houseguest is showing.

I can understand if they think he's boring, or stupid, or mean, or sneaky, but these folks, from Marcellas to Lisa to Roddy to Josh, are talking about him and behaving toward him as though he's responsible for some deviant act.

Can someone explain to me exactly what Gerry did to put him on a level with Osama Bin Laden in these houseguests minds?

And don't tell me about "breaking the alliance" or that veto speech Gerry gave. Neither of those things should have made him such a hated individual.

Cameltoes

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When Josh walked into the house. If he were never in the house, none of this would be going on. I honestly think most of them would have gotten over the veto speech by now if not for Josh perpetuating the hatred.

Goddess146

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry is .... like.... you know ... sooo ....

So, "so what?"

Hosewater

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He is like.... A man in his 40's who has nothing at all in common with the other people in the house.

I can see why they don't feel comfortable around him, but... sheesh.

I understand now when people talk about the youth of today having no respect for their elders. It's always been that way to a certain degree, but young people today seem to have a blatant in-your-face "F*** You" attitude toward older generations. No respect at all.

Scorpiomoon

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hose: I know!

I came here to start a thread about Gerry and noticed yours.

I was just watching him talk to Roddy-who came out to talk to Gerry on the basketball court. I felt so bad for Gerry. Sure. Gerry isn't the most charasmatic person on the planet, but why are they treating him so badly?

I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like to live in a space with people who either hated you, thought they were better than you, back-stabbed you and never listened or cared to listen to a word you said. Damn. That would be depressing and very lonely.

I have a growing respect for Gerry. He's not flipping out and he is handling this junior high school behavior with grace.

Crossfire

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow, you freaked me out Hosewater. I use that name on other websites, and when I first saw your post, it stunned me.

Katrina

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems like it's Group Think, all the rats abandoning what they perceive to be the sinking ship. Very junior high.

Cameltoes

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I HOPE this group isn't representative of most people my age. I cannot imagine treating anyone like they are treating Gerry regardless of his age. Maybe I am wrong but I just consider them to be freaks of nature. I just don't know people like this. It's the kind of nonsense you should be able to get beyond after high school. If I was behaving like that in there I think my parents would march down to the CBS lot and drag me out.

Scorpiomoon

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cameltoes: LOL! Glad to hear there are decent people in the outside world. :)

Misslibra

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree some of the things the Hg's have said about Gerry are wrong. I also believe some of the reason they are treating Gerry the way they are is because of his behavior. He isn't helping himself at all.

Listening at people doors, being very smothering just to name a few. He isn't doing himself any good by not giving people space. It's bad enough the Hg's can't leave the house but to have someone follow you around all day would get on my nerves to.

I know he saved Marcel, but I also think he save Marcel more for himself then for Marcel's sake. Gerry has his game plans to. Gerry just needs to back off a little, or else he is going to be out of there next week. JMO

Muse

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think this group is representative of the entire younger generation, Cameltoes. :) I'm not like that. Most of my friends (peers, that is) aren't. I think it's safe to say that BB chose a lot of the aggressive types of personalities for the show, and it's sort of insulting (for me) to be lumped in with "that generation". lol

I'm not big on the "respecting your elders", except in the case of children (which the HGs aren't, despite their lapses into immaturity) and respecting parents/grandparents/etc (and even that has limits). I'm more disturbed by the lack of respect for other human beings...like even if they were the same age, there's no reason for Josh to say the nasty things he's said to Gerry (to his face, no less!). Even if he really dislikes Gerry and thinks Gerry's behavior has been low, why sink to what he considers Gerry's level? Why spew hatred like that? It really doesn't make the situation any better.

I think these people are so bored (and trapped) that they allow negative emotions to fester...so rather than brushing off things that would only momentarily annoy them, they become vindictive and cruel. Some of them might be mean-spirited in the real world (I wouldn't know :)), but being in the house makes things much worse.

Katrina

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, Cameltoes, that would be so funny if someone's parents marched down there and dragged them out!

In the real world, I am thirty-something, and my husband is sixty-something. We have been together since many of my friends and I were in our early twenties. Many of my husband's and my friends are in his age group. One way or another, we are always in mixed-age company, and it always works just fine. I am appalled by the way Gerry is treated by the younger HG's. Of course, all of my friends and family my age or younger treat my husband with consideration, friendliness, humor, and respect. As it should be!

Scorpiomoon

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to come back and vent a bit.

Eric, Danielle, Tonya, Lisa and Gerry are in the livingroom talking about PMS. Gerry is TRYING to get a word in--TRYING to take part in the conversation and NO ONE will shut up and just let him talk. They completely ignore him and continue to talk amounst themselves.

Is this just par for the course when you're having a conversation with a large group or are these people truly self-centered?

It's frustrating to listen to.

Cameltoes

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing is that everyone in there is spying, eavesdropping, lying, conspiring, sharing information they have found out, double dealing etc. However, only Gerry is crapped on for it. Josh wasn't treated like a pariah after being caught cheating for goodness sakes. Even after his lies have been discovered he is still treated like a human being and not like a leper. Amy and Lisa go on and on about Gerry being found at the door and I have witnessed them both eavesdropping. So Gerry's crime is that he happened to get caught which is only because he is so isolated that all of his actions are put underneath a microscope. Of course, Gerry is playing the game.. they all are. Nothing anyone does or says in the house can be taken at face value but jeez it's not like he ran over someone's dog. If someone was following me around all day because he was completely isolated and alone I would at least try to have some compassion. Many of these HG's seem totally heartless.

Creampuff

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm looking at the treatment of Gerry by the other HG's as a sort of 'gang mentality'. WE'RE COOL! you don't look like us; talk like us; act like us, so buzz off! He copes nicely with it as he is faced with that type of juvenile behavior in his capacity as a teacher.

Even though many of them would like to see Josh outta there, they don't ostracize him in the way they do Gerry.

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, I've asked a couple of times what Gerry has done that is much different than the other HGs. They rag on him and about him for doing the exact same things they do in playing the game.

Go figure.

Texastillie

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry has done nothing to deserve any of this treatment and it is absolutely horrible! However, although I like him in every other way, I am most disappointed in Marcellas. How could he join in this attitude toward Gerry when the whole thing started because Gerry went against the alliance (to his own detriment) to save Marcellas?

{{{Marcellas, I am ashamed of you!}}}

Bernie

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 02:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've been watching the free feeds tonight for the first time for any length of time, and the girls, all of them, sat in their room and spent about an hour rehashing everything they disliked about Gerry-and it was started by Danielle, just like the hand-washing incident. After a while, the feeds switched to Marcellas and Gerry out at the round table and the convo made me cringe, knowing what was going on with the girls. And of course, Gerry, twice, went by their room and made an appearance, totally inappropriately, but just trying to connect. The camera has several times focused on Gerry's face, as the action went on around him, and at one point, when he was looking at the photos on the wall, the camera zoomed in and out on Gerry's photo, after he walked away. The poor soul is like the invisible man, and it is quite painful watching him drift about, and listening to the way they all rip him apart behind his back. Marcellas came into the girl's room just to escape, but he did say he wasn't going to talk about Gerry behind his back, then did, but he didn't rip on him in the same way that the girls did. His complaint is that Gerry never gives him a moment's peace, and that all Gerry talks about is the game, and the gratitude he ought to feel is wearing thin.
I've never seen anyone ostracised like this, except by school-age children, and it IS really horrible.
And throughout the whole thing, Tonya barely said one word. It was Danielle, Chiara, Lisa, and to some extent, Amy, who did the talking. The creepy thing is, that Danielle is like a female Gerry-she's always arriving and joining in on every activity or group, and she INSTIGATES. The other thing that I've noticed is that she is a very good actress-but the sincerity is missing from her eyes. I'm definitely not going to pay for the feeds when they run out this weekend. My first impression of the soullessness of the group has been borne out by the little I've watched over the last couple of days. I feel creeped out. I'm off to read my SF paperback so that I will be able to sleep

Wendo

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 03:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ya know, whoever posted that Gerry is being ragged on for the exact same thing all the HG's are doing, is dead on imo. Yeah, he's gotten caught for eavesdropping, etc., but what was Amy doing the other night in HOH in front of the window? Yep, eavesdropping. In fact, everything they've accused Gerry of, they've all done. From eavesdropping, scheming, to talking incessantly about the game (what Marcellas accused Gerry of tonight.) (In fact, right now, Josh is talking about the game too, again.)

Personally, I've found the treatment of Gerry by the other HG's to be awful. Ok, so maybe he wouldn't be the first person you'd be friends with in the real world, but the guy is still a human being. He's really being ragged on for trying to fit in. Join the conversation, connect. It's really a shame that the HG's can't see that. I certainly hope that once they review the tapes upon being done with this, they take a HARD LOOK at their behaivor and how they treated Gerry. Were it me, I'd be ashamed.

Corriecat

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 03:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It seems to me that the younger houseguests are uncomfortable having an opinion of their own and voting people off. Any time someone can come up with a reason not to like someone they all jump on the bandwagon feeling safe as long as the others dislike that person. They focus on that person and magnify that person's negative points. Right now Gerry is the flavor of the week. Once he is gone they will turn on someone else. They have been especially mean to Gerry and I hope when he is evicted he says something about it to their faces.

Crazykids

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry's family and friends that are watching the show and the live feeds probably want to go to the bb house and slap the crap out of the other HG for treating him so badly! LOL

Spunky

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 07:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What??? Even Marcellas behaves bad towards Gerry? I can't believe it!

What did Gerry do?? (besides playing the game the best he can against these brats...)

Earthmother

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 07:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He should have left the veto alone and Lori would still be there. She was not a phoney like the rest of these children and showed Gerry respect. I'm sure he realizing right now it was a mistake.
Too bad Lori and Gerry couldn't have finished as the top two and show this nasty group that you can be devious in your game playing and still show respect to the players.

Maris

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 08:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nobody would watch if Lori and Gerry were king and queen of the house. I admired Lori for going head to head with Danielle but she did go over the top sometimes. Gerry's paternalistic attitude wears very thin and he is not interesting.

Mr_Bozack

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 08:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry also was talking too self-righteously in the beginning. All of that new-age crapola that just ends up sounding like sloganeering and comes off as completely insencere. Typically, you'd expect that sort of thing from someone like Jason, but Gerry is/was the moral voice in the house, and I don't think these people are looking for a father-knows-best type of personna in the house.

It's strange that this guy has such a hard time relating to younger people, considering he's a high school teacher. Maybe it's because they're not teenagers that he's having such a hard time getting them to respond to his life lessons and his tendancy to talk at people instead of to them. I don't know, but he's definitely a sinking ship.