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Frances

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just listening to most of the people in the house makes you wonder if any of them really deserve the money.. There is so much name dropping and spoiled behavior it makes me wonder if they even need the $$$..

Battlestar

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 10:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
---I don't think need of money should ever be an issue (to the viewer) in any of these Reality Games

Goddessatlaw

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've kind of wondered about Tonya and all that cosmetic surgery. Where I come from, you either have five kids or you have disposable income. They are mutually exclusive propositions. In her case, she's either paying support for five kids (which I think is the case), or she's trying to raise five kids on support - also not simple. How has she supported her efforts toward self-enhancement? Anyone have any clues?

Fujiapple

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe that boyfriend of hers pays for all her plastic surgery.

Flyonthwall

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 10:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fugi...he's come out cheeper buying a blow up doll! LOL

Frances

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that needing the money should not be an issue.. But I have never seen it to where there is so many people on the show that have so much money to begin with and not to mention they name drop brands every 5 seconds.. It is annoying.. I would rather see someone who is not so fake get the money..

Sonia

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree about their financial real life situation shouldn't be an issue. At BB1, it annoyed me to always hear Josh gave "he/she needs or doesn't need the money" as his reason to nominate or not people.

Inkydinkyspider

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tonya should be the Barbie of re-cycling in Vegas..."Ladies, please recycle all your plastic...look at the benefits I received from your discarded plastic milk cartons....

Maris

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As Tonya said yesterday to Gerry "where is it written that I have to have a full time job, I have never worked full time in my life" She is going to need the money.

I dont really care which one wins the money, My favorites to win are Amy, Jason or Marcellas but if they dont win then ok. They are all pretty shallow people but I think Marcellas has a core of decency that he is desperately trying to hold on to. I agree that needing money should not be an issue, they have entertained me this year so let the "worst" man/woman win.

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Right....the HG that "deserves" the money most is the one that plays the game best and is the last one standing.

This isn't "Queen For a Day" where the most needy contestant with the best sob story wins....it's a cutthroat strategy game.

Iceprincess

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran,

Having said that do you think that Eddie won because of public sympathy? I am just curious since the first season wasn't as cutthroat as this.

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Right, Iceprincess....I think his win was due in large part to his loss of a leg. The first game was SO different....so hard to even compare the two. BB1 HGs couldn't discuss strategies or votes, and the public voted for eviction. The BB1 HGs looked at the BB producers as thier adversary, not one other. The dynamics were totally different....it was not even the same game, as far as I'm concerned.

Crossfire

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You did not ask me, but first season...

They were practically trying not to win at times.

Hardy did this a bit in season 2 as well. That just drives me completely nuts.

As soon as anyone stops trying, I want them out.

Mystery

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Iceprincess, you didn't ask me but I definitely think that Eddie got a lot of votes because of public sympathy. I also think that Eddie's mother did a heck of a public relations job on message boards to counteract some of the negative things he did in the house.

Rabbit

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Financial need can be used as a tactical game element. If it works, it works. It is up to the other players to neutralize it when it is used.

Will invented some college loans and got mileage out of that.

As a basis of nomination, with everything else being equal in terms of game strategy, "needs the money" is as good a tie breaker as "he/she is really hot"

Iceprincess

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran,

I have to agree this is not even the same game as the first season. And it was evident in the second season the sympathy vote didn't even matter. Wasn't it Autumn that needed the car. (I can't remember).

I don't think anyone in the house is deserving of this money, but I do think the one who plays the best wins....not necessarily deserves.

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The whole "need" thing is just an excuse for HG with no good reasons redily available to get rid of someone. Remember that dentist (I think he was a dentist....Carl?) on the Outback Survivor? It came out that he had a Mercedes or something and that was the end of him. Same with Kent....he won the SUV the first night, the HG learned he had a pool and that became just one more easily argued reason to boot him instead of say...poor, needy, single mother Krista.

Sonia

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You make all interesting points everybody here.

Squidward

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't vote for Eddie to win out of sympathy. I thought he played the game the best. I can look past the missing leg, after a couple of weeks I didn't even notice it anymore. I guess some people cannot overlook it but I did.

Squidward

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
PS When I said I guess some people could not see past his handicap, I wasn't talking about the people that voted for him. I was referring to the people that insist he won only because of it. Flame away.

Wcv63

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's part of my emotional and intellectual makeup to evaluate "need" even in the context of games of skill and chance. I use it as one of the factors in assessing whether I want to root for a particular player.

Can't help it. It's part of who I am. However, it is not the only factor I consider and it doesn't overshadow other aspects of character.

Earthmother

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 05:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No one in this house deserves anything but a kick in the pants...The question wasn't asked of me, but I think Eddie won in the first season because he wasn't afraid to speak up for his convictions and he was respected for that, I don't think it had anything to do with pity. I think the other hgs liked Eddie because they didn't have to worry about him telling them lies or plotting behind their backs and the voting audience saw that too. I also believe that Will won last year due to honesty (in a bizzare way) said he would lie and he did. So far this year the only one who hasn't lied (I think) is Jason. He is not playing real strong, however he is the only one everyone has said they trust, which will probably keep him in there. Probably the one thing that most people would say is what they expect from others is honesty and trust, and I don't think it's any different given whatever situation you are in.

Weinermr

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rabbit, I think you are very hot.

Snee

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
rabbit deserves the money...AND he's hot.

Wcv63

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I need the money and I'm having hot flashes. Does that count as "hot"?