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Serena

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just like last year, competitions have been created which too easily allow you to sense what other people are answering. It's so easy to sense whether the people next to you are raising their arms.

Anyway, Roddy was the most obvious when he clearly lagged behind everyone else in raising his paddle.

At least he was the closest in calculating the total weight.

Ryn

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
its your opinion - to me it looked like he had a brain fart and forgot to raise his hand.

the closest person to him was Amy - ya gonna trust her vote over your own? I don't think Roddy would.

Serena

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
actually I would, given that she was one of the final two in the previous HOH competition.

If you don't know the answer at all, you have a better chance if you go with someone else's answer, on the odds that THEY may know.

Hardywins

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I concur. After carefully studying my digitally recorded replay tV this morning; it was very apparent that on all threee of the true questions (when hands were raised) that Roddy lagged significantly behind the others, especially Amy, who was immediately adjacent to Roddy. Roddy also had a slightly tilted head that may have been providing him visual access to the raised arms of all those houseguests to his right. Julie Chen should have dis-qualified Roddy for his delayed arm raising because he definitely was able to hear the rustle and paddle swish before he even slightly began starting to move his own paddle. Roddy knew that Amy was very sharp and was very successful (2nd place behand Marci) in the previous HOH contest. Roddy waited for Amy to make her move before he cheated and raised his paddle. Re-count please! The houseguests should have been told to circle "windmill" their arms several times before coming to rest either in the raised (true) position or the lowered (false) position. The significant delay between all the other houseguests uniformly raising their arms and Roddy's delayed raising of his arm should have disqualified him.

The fact that the run-off was a math calculation problem; which ALWAYS favors Male contestants, was only unfair to the remaining female contestants. The FACT is that Roddy should NOT have been amongst the run-off finalists!

I suggest that everyone file an email protest to Arnold Shapiro Productions; if Ryn will be so kind as to provide the email address here; that will connote this web-sites support for the protest.

Oregonfire

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually what were ALL of the finalist HGs weight tallies? Does anybody out there with a tape of the show care enough to go back and check it out? I know that Danielle was way off. I am really obsessing over the details this week.

Max

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One of the girls, I don't remember which. Had 800 pounds as the total weight for all the contestants. Obviously, that's a person who didn't want to win since they each would have had to weigh less than 100 pounds for that to be true.

Maybe they should make a rule that you can't be so blatant in throwing a competition. LOL

Realfan

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Math easier for men? Only some men. And women are generally better at remembering personal facts, so I don't think it's unfair. I calculated 1600 pounds, and I'm female. It was easy--10 people x 100 pounds = 1,000, plus another half that (an average of 50 pounds more, or 150, since half the house is female and the other half is male). Then you could add another 100 for the 11th person, for 1600. I can't image the women who guessed 800 were being serious.

But Roddy probably did cheat. I sure don't trust him.

Oregonfire

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thant was Dani--850 pounds or something. I think Chi Chi was 1,100 or something, still too low. Yes, how could anyone think that 850 pounds would cover 11 adults?

Ger

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle was closest after Roddy and she had a number somewhere in the 12 or 1300's. The rest of the people seemed close to clueless.

It was Lisa that had the 800 pounds.

Bmh

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregonfire..I watched my tape..Amy said 850..Danielle said 1150..she was 2nd in the hoh challenge..

Bigbrotherbelle

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle 137.6
Tonya 120.4
Eric 198
Chiara 132.6
Gerry 252.2

Roddy 187.8
Lisa 129
Jason 173
Josh 157.8
Amy 117.4

Total 1605.8

Oregonfire

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can somebody list the HGs guesses/tallies who taped the show, please? I'll owe you an "I agree! You are so smart and funny!" on the board no matter what you say. Please?

Bigbrotherbelle

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Jason had a number in the 1200's.

Hardywins

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa 800
Amy 825
Dani was just above 1300
I could go back and get the exact amounts but that is NOT the point.

The actual total was 1605.5 lbs

It is generally recognized by all IQ testing authorities that men naturally do better on math calculation problems. Remembrance of FACTS, does NOT have a gender bias supposedly. A fair contest about the weights would have been to have the hampsters list the weights of the individual hg and let a judge add up the differences. That would have been a remembrance of numerical FACTs and NOT a calculation. There are of course exceptions to the rule and some women are mathematically gifted; none are located in the BB3 house however!

Bigbrotherbelle

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Their answers were:
G - 1100
Chi - 1159
Dan - 1301
Li - 800
Ja - 1254
Amy - 825
Rod - 1580

Oregonfire

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It seems that whatever bias may have been created by the final question was cancelled out when Eric and Josh didn't even make it into the final group. Maybe there's a bias towards women being better listeners and thus remembering details like where Lori is from and the other questions asked. Seems to even out in the end to me.

Thank you, BigBrotherBelle, thank you! I agree! You are so smart and funny! (I'll use it again sometime too :))

Bigbrotherbelle

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Looks like Chiara might have peeking over at Ger's answer just a lil bit.

Keiffer

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 01:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know I am not convinced, and I am sure Roddy is not convinced of Amy's scary intillect. If he was doing any sort of cheating it would be in trying to make sure Amy did not get HoH. By answering the same as her he garunteed that he would go as far as her at least. That reducing her chances of getting HoH. For sure if she got HoH the CHiara would have been put up.

The thing is though that after the show on the feeds Roddy said he had told DR that he wanted to win this week. If it is true he wanted to win a garuntee he was not counting on Amy to get him the win.

Oregonfire

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 01:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But their final answers were so far apart, Keiffer. I don't see how that works out.

And Chi Chi could have peeked at Gerry's answer--the girl seems to have watched a scary amount of "The Price is Right." That sounds like such a "The Price is Right" number to me. Hmm...maybe HOH competition slanted in Chi Chi's favor? Conspiracies abound!

Keiffer

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I get their final answers were far apart.... I meant the oments that he could have cheated. The T/F part.

Hardywins

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The final Math Calculation be damned! Roddy's t/f answers should have been disqualified simply because he did NOT raise his hand in unison with ALL the other contestants. His DELAY was enough to implicate, if NOT PROVE, his CHEATING!.

Oregonfire

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay...thanks for clarifying. I thought there was something I wasn't getting. I have a math insecurity problem.

Seamonkey

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But, if Roddy hadn't waited until the others raised their paddles (and that was pretty clear on my tape) he wouldn't have been there to win the last question.

Dani as HOH would have probably been as troubling for me as Roddy.. or maybe not..

Maryk

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This thread is funny. I doubt people will be as fired up if it was Amy or Gerri who "cheated."

Oregonfire

Friday, July 26, 2002 - 01:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So many of them made it to the final round anyway. I didn't think the elimination round was very good to begin with. Who thinks up these comps anyway? I wonder if they have to test it out on a practice group to make sure that the whole comp is sound to begin with.