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Abigail1970

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris - Are you saying Chiara suffers from chronic depression?

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
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Snee

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
interesting discussion: let a bi-polar weigh in here...i was on prozac/serafem (both brand names; active ingredient--fluoxetine; seratonin uptake inhibitor). fluoxetine works into the body's system gradually until it reaches an optimum level, ie. you have to take it continually for it to work; you can't take it once a month or stop taking it and expect it to have cured you. btw, prozac is not the drug of choice for bi-polars.

i am on more effective balancing meds now. i have no psychological problems. i'm not emotionally unstable. yes, i do need my meds to regulate my brain chemicals and remain stable and will have to be on those meds for the rest of my life. that does not stop me from doing anything. i would be able to participate in a game like bb if i chose to (not likely!) because stress only effects me like it does anyone else, in fact less than many others i know. think of it like wearing glasses. you wouldn't say that someone who wears glasses shouldn't be allowed in the game because he/she NEEDS glasses, would you? they just have their 'perscription' in order to see normally.

as for chiara, if she's taking prozac under a doctor's continued supervision for whatever reason that's really here nor there for the game. as for mixing her meds with alcohol--that's a BIG NO NO!

disclaimer: this is based on snee's experience and that of other bi-polars she knows. it may be different for others.

Theowl

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh Man!! I'm sitting here reading all of this, and I'm laughing and then crying and then feeling sorry for myself. I'm taking Welbutrin, now can someone tell me what my problem is!?!?

Calamity

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't believe I'm discussing this :), but actually Ryan's teacher did have a point. There have been studies that show that blood loss during menstruation does have a protective effect by removing lipids, toxins and other substances from the system. On the downside, this is also why women are more prone to becoming anemic than men are.

I'm sorry if anyone got the impression that I don't believe that PMS and related disorders aren't legitimate medical concerns. I just find it frustrating that so many women claim that during certain times of the month, they are incapable of controlling their behavior and everyone else just has to put up with it. Not to go back to the "Fat" thread, but there is substantial evidence that hormonal flucuations can be affected by diet, exercise and environment. In countries where people consume less processed foods and are more physically active, PMS is far less common than in the US.

Theowl

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow, so much has been added since I started to write my post!! Please disregard my post until I read through the rest of them.

Maris

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No I am not Abigail. I made a comment earlier about Chiara on Prozac and whether she should be on BB. Posters offered up an arugment that why should someone who suffers from chronic depression be prevented from going on BB so I just used that example. I have no idea what she takes it for and when they just asked her on the feeds why she took it, they cut to FOTH. I dont know if we will ever know why she takes it. It isnt even any of my business.

That being said, I dont believe that Chiara's behavior can only be chalked up to PMS because she has been irrational since day one. That does not mean I dont believe she suffers from it, I am just saying you can use PMS as an excuse for the irrational behavior she has exhibited since she entered into the house.

Jenhavins

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nice way of putting it Wcv and Oregon...it makes me proud to be a PMDDer!!!

Zachsmom

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
adhd?

Ms_Snoodle

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I guess the verdict is in, no BB house for me. Guess I'll call Mike Wallace and see what he suggests!

Ryanc2002

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zachsmom - Ya don't want to get me started on ADD ADHD or Ritalin

Oregonfire

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do think that exercise would help her--heck, exercise would help me! Isn't excerise supposed to stimulate the "happy cells" in the brain? (Very simplistic. I know, but is it called seritonin, right?)

Snee

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
maris, interesting point about the monitoring. with me it's been quite regular while finding the right 'cocktail' (good way of putting it) and for a while after to see if the brain chemicals stay in alignment. after that though the intervals between checkups are long. like you indicated, for serious depression and manic-depression a pyschiatrist is better than a gp because they have specialized training and are up on the most recent literature. my psychiatrist (dr. cutiepie) and i have short to the point sessions that don't deal with emotion or psychological issues because i'm strictly a chemical case. others i know are not and the counselling is beneficial. also, i understand that different people need different monitoring. all in all i would say for pre-existing serious medical conditions a doctor's note would be sufficient. if he had any doubts at all about my particpation affecting my health, my doc wouldn't hesitate to disallow me.

Zachsmom

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryan..TheOwl said she took webutrin..I was wondering if it was for adhd?

and we probably agree on the ritalin!!!

Snee

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
more endorphins i think, oregonfire.

Ryanc2002

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregon - A quote form Legally Blonde on why the Aerobics Instructor couldn't have killed her husband.

"Exercise makes endorphins. Endorphins make you happy. Happy people just don't kill their husbands. They just don't."

Abigail1970

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris - I apologize, I mis-read your post or took it out of context. This has actually been a really enlightening conversation for me.! I agree her behavior can not only be attributed to PMS, it has been irrational. Almost like Nicole last year! Although, having said that, I LOVED Nicole but I find myself not so fond of Chiara.. Anyways, thanks for clarifying.

Ryanc2002

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zachsmom - Legalized crack for kids.

Snee

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ooh-wee! lookit this thread go!

Zachsmom

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yes..it is..:(

Max

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Quote from "Postcards from the Edge":

Airhead actress telling Meryl Streep's character of the great sex she had with Dennis Quaid's character, "He said it was great for the dolphins."

She meant the endorphins, of course.

Theowl

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zachsmom, what is ADHD?

Ryanc2002

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Attention Deficite Hyper Activity Disorder. I think.

Zachsmom

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder..

Katrina

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryan, you are funny and interesting, and I'm way glad you personally don't have to go through female monthlies in addition to your other physical challenges. It never occurred to me what an extra disadvantage being a girl could be in that situation.

Calamity, you make an interesting point. I didn't know that about any substances but iron. I do know that, as long as you don't skew towards anemic, losing iron monthly is a beneficial thing. That's part of why women's risk/rate of heart disease goes up after menopause, because they're no longer losing that iron monthly. (Unless they're on certain forms of HRT.) Men and post-menopausal women can actually get a similar heart health benefit by regularly donating blood. Turns out it's a healthy thing for recipient *and* donor.

As far as Chiara goes, I don't know. I guess it will be interesting to see how it all plays out and how she acts "on the other side." Maybe if her mouth didn't unfortunately turn down at the corners she wouldn't come across as constantly sullen and irritable even when she isn't speaking or acting out.