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Sushigirl

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
imho Tonya isn't really mean but she is a clueless, materialistic airhead.

Goddessatlaw

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Abigail - Tonya is not Satan's Final Solution (no, that honor has to be saved for Josh). She does have some gentle qualities about her. However, one with five children cannot appear on day two live internet feeds getting her "Double D's" lathered by another female houseguest for all the boys to enjoy and not expect that some abuse will level in her general direction. And the conversations she HAS chosen to engage in have many times been downright gamey. Talking the talk for the camera doesn't equal walking the walk for her children (for whom she feels no need to work full time). I'm not impressed with her, but I'm also not as irritated with her as the other female guests.

Sobaditsgood

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tonya talks a lot about her children? That's news to me. I haven't seen much of that in the LF. I did read something about her boasting on one of her daughters who stole something from the store and Tonya didn't make her return it because it was something she (Tonya) needed anyway.. and that Tonya thought it was "cute" that the daughter stole. I might be getting the exact wordage wrong here as it's been a while since I read this but my point is, I haven't seen her talk much about her children at all, which I find almost unbelievable considering she has FIVE of them. Even someone who determined not to "talk about" family members (as in expose them overly much to the limelight) would surely say from time to time "I really miss my babies" or *something*. Someone else pointed out that in a discussion of what they all look forward to when they leave, Tonya didn't say a word about her kids - she said she's looking forward to having sex.

Yep, you did get it right about her talking about her boyfriend. And various exes, of course. I think it's sad that she seems to have virtually NO identity except in the context of a husband, exhusband, or boyfriend. Not saying there aren't plenty of women like this, but I just truly find it sad... it's like she is literally incapable of participating in any conversation about almost anything and just having an independent opinion that is not filtered through "My ex said...." or "once me and my ex....." etc. Others have speculatd that she is using this method to make them use FOTH but I don't think it's that calculated, I think the poor woman just really and truly has no idea who she is or what she thinks except in the context of being with a man.

And lastly Abigail, I don't care if she went to college. Degrees don't impress me a bit. I also don't care that she has implants -- let's remember, Danielle does too. But gosh, what a HUGE (no pun intended, heh) difference in the way they carry and project themselves, eh?

Tabbyking

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
when i first heard tonya mention the shaving, i was shocked thinking it was legs...or just legs, as she may shave those, too. and i don't know anyone who shaved their legs at age 6. then i heard the gals talking about hating hair on men's backs and telling the guys who had it to shave it off, and that's when tonya mentioned shaving her daughter's back. boy, how would you feel if your own mother thought something was so bad she had to get rid of it for you? she also talked about her daughters getting implants when they were older.
gosh, i am really starting to dislike her BIG time! i have to find another topic to read!!
i'm off like a dirty shirt!

Abigail1970

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I will agree that her incessant talk of looks and material possessions does make her appear shallow... However, just because she doesn't have the speaking skills others do (per what she said) can not make her dumb.. Many educated people fear public speaking. Granted she has not held very intellectual conversations since entering the BB house but neither have many of them.

Pcakes2

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sure Tonya does what she does out of concern for her children. Perhaps her daughter had been teased, and Tonya tried to help. How many parents have gotten braces put on their childrens teeth to straighten them out?

PS: Remember, In life there needs to be "dumb" or "less intelligent" people to make the rest of you look so smart.

Sobaditsgood

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
a p.s. to my post above - my thing isn't that every single mother (or father) has to be fawning over their kids every minute,in fact that gets just as boring as anything else to listeners. I'm just saying since the woman obviously does not exactly overflow with maternal instinct or motherly affection, she needs to get off the "Do I look like the typical mother of 5?" kick, which amounts to using her children in a backhanded way for fish for compliments. That's about the ONLY time she brings up her kids (except to brag on them for shoplifting).

Tabbyking

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
nope, tonya stated it bothered HER (tonya) so she shaved the daughter's back. her daughter couldn't even see her own back!

Crossfire

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, that bar has been set pretty low, I guess we can all rest now.

Classycassfan

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tish let me remind you of a Aussie woman who created Nads because her daughters body hair contributed to a low self image. Now the Daughter is not only feeling better about herself... but she is set in life with the bucks. I agree shaving the hair might not be the best idea (just from what I have learned on BB3) but maybe Tonya doesn't want her child to grow up with a poor self image. Which IMHO is alot of Tonyas problem. And no I don't know Tonya personally but I have seen others that exb the same charitistics

Muse

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't find Tonya to be particularly mean-spirited...at least not most of the time. She's more interested in talking about herself than other people, really. It's not very interesting, and I think she's pretty shallow, but at least she doesn't seem malicious. Unlike many of the others. :)

I *do* think that she was very nasty towards Lori (behind her back, that is) before Lori left, however. Lori did make that rude comment about Tonya's behavior and her boyfriend (something that I sort of agreed with, but that's really Tonya's business - Lori shouldn't have outright said it like that). But Tonya was *very* angry, and kept harping on it and ripping on Lori. It was just a bit much, especially since she didn't seem willing to discuss it with Lori at all.

Tabbyking

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sobad, you are right. it doesn't seem natural for a parent to not mention their kids fairly frequently. of course, you wouldn't want to bore everyone, especially as so many don't have kids, but it isn't natural to not speak of them for days at a time. i also feel when they come up, it works to her advantage--the 'can you believe i have 5 kids and this body?' image--and it is not to brag about their grades or a special project they worked on, or family night with board games, videos and popcorn.
okay, i am off to the treadmill!

Abigail1970

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point Pcakes.... I guess since we get FOTH so much when Tonya is speaking we don't know everything about her and her life. She asked for all of this commentary by going on BB. I know this. I also know that everyone perceives things in different manners, I think Tonya seems like a kind, funny, but shallow woman who looks like 'most' men want their ideal woman to look.

Sobaditsgood

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow, Pcakes, you're certainly more (something) than I am. You're sure she does what she does out of concern for her kids? I'm sorry, but it is to laugh.

More likely with her type (yes, I'm one of those evil judgemental people who believes in types) is that her daughter embarassed *her* (Tonya). And I have to say if that drives anything she does, unfortunately and sadly she is hardly alone - I see parents every day who do things to/for/about their kids that is obviously motivated out of the PARENT'S fear of rejection within their own peer group than anything involving the poor kid. You mentioned braces - I don't know many kids who beg for braces (which are RARELY a necessity, by the way, so "concern" for your kid seems to have nothing to do with braces, imho) but I know parents who got their kid braces because THEY were embarassed by the kid's teeth.

Bernie

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Since the arguments seem to revolve around smarts and spite, I'd like to go on record that Tonya's perceived lack of smarts are of less consequence to me than her lack of spite. I believe that a kind heart is of much more importance than brainpower, and, since this thread was actually started to say something positive about Tonya, it's too bad that it has gone the other way. She's not evil, nor is she perfect, she's just human, and that describes all of us, warts and all.

Classycassfan

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
gee until this thread I thought I had great parents::

My Mom had a Mole removed from my face when I 8 years old, Did the mole bother me? no. Was the mole a threat to my health? nope no cancer either Did the mole embarasse my Mom? I have no clue. Would I have grown up to hate the Mole on my face? Damn skippy. Did my skin heal better since I was so young when it was done? YEP no scar to even been seen, only old childhood pictures to remind me of it.

Thanks board for making me see what a lousy Mom I had.

<Tongue in cheeck the whole time>

Shianname25

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't stand Tonya. She is so annoying. I get sick of hearing about her sex life and her boob job and her tummy tuck and etc. It's aggivating!

Delilah

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Classy, shame on your Mom, you could have made millions with that Mole, look at Cindy Crawford

Iceprincess

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just want to say I think I feel bad for Tonya that she has to alter her body to get men to be with her. She herself said she had the tummy tuck because her boyfriend didn't like the little hump on her tummy when they were intimate. It is just sad that someone would think so little of themselves to mutilate their body for another.

Katrina

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Braces are often a necessity for proper oral health over one's lifetime. When I got braces at 17, people were surprised, because my upper front teeth that showed when I smiled were straight, and people remarked that they assumed I had already had braces. I didn't want braces, but several dentists and my parents were in agreement that it was important for medical reasons, which would impact me for decades after the braces were worn. I hated it at the time, but I appreciate it now, understanding that it was done for me to have a healthy mouth. It's not always just about appearances.

Also, I have to say it was cute how Tonya responded to Chiara's "code talking". She patiently listened to C's whole boring Silverstein story laboriously told in code. Then at the end, she asked C, "What about the wife?" Respecting C's desire to use the code, Tonya put the one specific word in her question, "wife", in code. Just one little four-letter word in C's own code -- and Chiara didn't get it! Couldn't follow her own code! Had to have Tonya repeat it! After Tonya had patiently followed the code herself for all that time. I thought that was cute and made Tonya seem not so dumb.

Also, so far she seems to be getting along fairly well in the game and is not yet a huge target like various players have been at different times. She's managed to blend in fairly well with a group of younger people whose lives are quite different from her own. In the context of the game, I give her credit for that too. She has visions of using any prize money as at least a down payment (if she takes 2nd prize) on a house for herself and her kids. That's reasonably maternal of her. I've also heard her speaking about cooking proper meals for her kids regularly.

As far as the self-image thing goes, she went from being a stay-at-home mom to being in two divorces, at least one of them quite ugly. She has a new life, and she is trying to feel positive about herself and her new life and to make herself into something other than the stay-at-home wife and mother she used to be. It can't be easy to make all of those changes, but she seems to have a really positive attitude about life and the future. I have to give her credit for that too.

She's not like most people I know, but I don't think she's so dumb or so bad either. I'm not sure I'd come across so well on TV/LF's either!

Sheila494

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i dont particularly like tonya..and i know she said that amy is jealous of her..but she is the one who is jealous of amy..i can tell by the way she looks at her..amy doesnt have to try so hard to be pretty..and tonya does..but still doesnt look as good as amy.

Zachsmom

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What's sad is that she didn't get rid of the "hump" of a man and instead opted for surgery..

he would have been the best removal..

Delilah

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you completely Iceprincess!

Sobaditsgood

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Katrina, maybe in your case there was a medical reason for braces but based on what you said I can't imagine what it was - what about braces alone equals a "healthy mouth" and what could possibly make them a "necessity for proper oral health"? I'm genuinely interested to know what your parents were told by dentists, because my dentist and my son's orthodontist have both told me that taking care of teeth and gums with good brushing/flossing habits is all that's necessary for good dental health except in rare cases, that even when teeth overlap as long as they can be flossed/brushed properly, they pose no threat to dental health. Maybe our dentist/ortho are the ones who are misinformed, but stuff I've read elsewhere seems to say the same thing - braces are pretty much an aesthetic decision. [I know this is off topic but just curious.]

You folks who are referring to Tonya as "kind" and having a "good heart".... huh? I haven't noticed this. I've heard her make some nasty comments about others, like her televised comment to someone about Lori ('You want another week with that wacko?'), that sounded very far from kind or goodhearted. It makes me wonder if it's a case of viewing her as compared to the others in the house - like one of you said, don't knock dumb people because they make others look smart? Well, maybe this is a case of Tonya seeming "kind" ... but only by comparison with people who are so blatantly NOT.

Bernie

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There are situations when braces are necessary for dental health. My daughter inherited her Dad's small jaw, and my large teeth, and had to have her wisdom teeth pulled when she got them, as there just wasn't room for them in her jaw, which caused her great discomfort. Of course then she had to have braces to realign her teeth, because she couldn't chew properly. The same thing has happened to my grand-daughter, who is now fifteen, so yes, there are times when braces are not just for aesthetic reasons-both my daughter and grand-daughter hated them, but we would have been remiss as parents if we had allowed them to suffer lifelong discomfort because of short-term pain. [Sorry to be off-topic also.]