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Archive through July 23, 2002
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 11:53 am     Creampuff - She made the comment about tourettes and he said "Really?" and she said "No, not that bad." Once again it comes down to LFPs (hearsay) and actually seeing it for yourself. |
Earthmother | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 11:59 am     yes I do Ryan, but I'm a grown woman with grown children and I can't say that I didn't milk it when I was much younger. I am certainly not cutting immature women any slack, but I am saying that when they call it "THE CURSE" it's right on target pills or no pills..and your teacher was doing you guys any favors by telling you how lucky we are..I'm curious was your teacher a male or female? |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:01 pm     Male of course. Notice I never said he was right, I was only quoting him. |
Earthmother | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:06 pm     Oh that guy definately needs the CURSE..lol |
Goddessatlaw | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:07 pm     Goodness, you guys have been vitriolic today. Just scrolled back through the thread and had my head snapped back a few times. A couple of things I might add. Serafem IS Prozac - only renamed, repackaged and marketed to a targeted audience when Eli Lilly lost their patent. It's a seratonin reuptake inhibitor, which basically means Chiarra's neurons aren't firing or transmitting correctly because their natural lubrication (seratonin) is absorbed at an unnatural rate. Serafem prevents the seratonin from reabsorbing too quickly so, basically, her neurons can speak to each other in a normal fashion. Without Serafem or with an improper dosage, Chiarra's got impulses and obsessions which she can't process out the way the rest of us do - they just kind of keep banging away at her. Whatever the origin of her need is for this prescription - generalized anxiety disorder or PMSDD, the symptoms are pretty much the same and it is prescribed for a true physical disorder - not a psychiatric one. Unfortunately, the people I've known who have been prescribed these drugs but haven't adhered to the rest of the treatment (no alcohol, working out, psychological therapy to identify patterns) have pretty much acted the way she is acting now. Based upon experience (but certainly recognizing that I'm not a doctor and don't know her diagnosis), I really believe her behavior is going to get much worse. Bigger, more profane blowups for no identifiable reasons, deeper obsession with Roddy (particularly if he blows her off), and crying jags. The worst part is, they don't recognize the unreasonableness or hatefulness of their behavior. It's always justified in their minds. When they get like this, there's nothing to do but get away from them. I feel sorry for Roddy, since he's non-confrontational to begin with and his immediate impulse is to abandon a fight rather than engage. He can't get away from her. IMO, things are about to go from bad to worse. |
Ms_Snoodle | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:08 pm     As someone who suffered with PMS before it became recognized and someone who takes medication for chronic depression after 10 years of trying to deal with it on my own it makes me both sad and angry to read some of the comments posted in this thread. Funny, I've always thought of myself within the bounds of "normal" altho' I do admit I am still trying to deal with being a reactive type person. I never thought of myself as ineligible for something like BB3, never thought of myself as unstable. My body has a problem using chemicals that we all need so I get some assistance with another chemical. It's no different than someone requiring meds for a physical condition... in my mind it IS physical. I find some of the attitudes here very discriminatory. Add to the above "faults" the fact that I am 55, overweight and I HATE PB&J and I guess I'd be in REALLY BIG TROUBLE in the BB house! |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:10 pm     Earthmother - You know that us guys do get a form of the curse. At least guys that have a girlfriend or wife do. We have to listen to you girls TELL us about it once a month. ;) |
Jenhavins | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:13 pm     Okay, I posted earlier that I was on Celexa for a bit just to try it out for my EXTREME mood swings two weeks before my "time", and I did not like the way it made me feel. I am telling you, I get a volitile case of PMDD. I try ever-so-hard to control it myself and for the most part do an okay job. But sometimes, I can be a real Pill! I am a normal lovely person (if I do say so myself), with a husband that loves me and a great set of parents and family values. However, I can make my husband walk on pins for a day or two. (Examples of my little tantrums...Can you not hit the laundry with your socks. Do they need to be on the floor for all of us to enjoy?. What did you need that you couldn't wait to pay $207 for? I am glad we have a tree in the back where we can just go rake up the money. Can you pour tea in your glass without me constantly having to come behind you and clean with a sponge?...Now imagine I say all this within a 15 second time frame. Get the picture?!?!) I would hate for someone to tell me that I couldn't go on a show because I might stir things up a bit for a day or two, or my PMDD is going to freak a few out. For me, I know I can be mean, but I do try. It would kill me if people thought I was wacko because of this little teeny 2 day emotional problem that I have. |
Earthmother | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:14 pm     We never have to talk about it. I live in a house with nothing but men and they are smart enough to know to hit the high road as soon as I start nagging about towels on the floor and socks not in the hamper instead of just picking them up..IT LIVES... |
Abigail1970 | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:15 pm     Thanks for clarifying some of that up Goddess.. Looks like we might have some trouble brewing on BB3. I feel sorry for Roddy as well since he does seem to be a 'peacemaker'. He might have to accept that sometimes you just can't win! |
Max | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:16 pm     I can imagine it, Jenhavins. It's called my ex-mother-in-law! Only hers wasn't limited to a 2-day problem, it was pretty much all the time. |
Zachsmom | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:17 pm     geez...I only get tired.. |
Katrina | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:18 pm     Wow, Ryan really brought back memories of male gym teachers in junior high and high school awkwardly and uncomfortably dealing with the sex ed that became their responsibilty part of the year. They hated it, didn't know what to say or where to look while they were saying it in mixed gender classes. I can only think that perhaps Ryan's instructor was trying to put a positive spin on menstruation, and that is kind of nice, when so many girls learn to feel bad and dirty about menstruating. |
Earthmother | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:20 pm     what positive side Katrina? lol I must have missed it all these years.. |
Goddessatlaw | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:20 pm     Ms Snoodle - a strain of depression runs in one side of my family, so I've had to deal with family members with these issues both in the lithium dark ages of medicine and with the miracle of relief the current lines of treatment bring (luckily I don't have it, but have had to educate myself in order to help others). Prozac is like taking a thyroid pill - necessary, non-narcotic treatment for a physical condition. Unfortunately, the symptoms exhibited by some with anxiety, depression, pmsdd, etc. USED to be categorized in mental disorders. This is the stigma I hope can be overcome by getting out this kind of information. I think Chiarra's got many additional issues making her intolerable, but I don't hold her Serafem usage against her - Lord, what would she be like without it? I'm having Vietnam flashbacks just thinking about it. |
Jenhavins | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:22 pm     LOL Max. Well, for the most part I hope I never turn out like my mother-in-law!!! My husband just tiptoes away grinning and then I catch myself and start smiling too. Believe me, we can both figure out where my mood comes from ,and I am lucky to have someone who realizes that. |
Wcv63 | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:23 pm     Everybody gets irritable and grumpy for a variety of different reasons. Lack of sleep, PMS (which is a real physical affliction and not just an EXCUSE), stress, illness, frustration, menopause etc. Men are not immune to irritability. They have just as many irritable episodes as their female counterparts. The reasons may not be the same but the effects certainly are. For those women that have never experienced any hormone related problems I say God Bless you. But don't dismiss those of us who have by saying that it's some kind of weakness or lack of control. BTW, I'm a little irritable today. Forgive me if my reply was brusque. |
Karuuna | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:25 pm     Thank you, Goddess, for your intelligent and edifying posts about this often misunderstood subject. Your calm in the middle of this chaos is very much appreciated. |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:26 pm     Katrina - He wasn't trying to be a dumbass, he just was. At least on this topic anyway. He told us right from the start he would try to answer any questions we had, but that if he wasn't comfortable answering a question he would say "I don't know." Well that set the tone right there, for our entire sex ed lesson you had kids trying to make this dude blush and answer with "I don't know." He did get pissed off one day because the class was screwing around and said "Why do you guys think I took this job? For the money? If that were the case I'd go somewhere else cause I don't get paid pffft (you know, the blowing raspberries sound). I took this job because I wanted to teach kids." And then there was the classic "My mom was born a Mann." (her last name was Mann) Anyway, what a tangent, sorry to go waaaayyy OT. |
Goddessatlaw | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:27 pm     Thank you, Karuuna - I wanted to send a winky smiley face right back atcha, but I'm too computer challenged to find the emoticons. I feel left out!! |
Maris | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:30 pm     Nobody is saying that someone with PMS should not be on the show. I totally disagree that Chiara's behavior can be chalked up to PMS. If that is the case it is the longest run of PMS that I have seen since they have been in the house for 17 days. I hope nobody thinks that I am making judgements on anyone who is taking meds for depression. My friends who do suffer from depression get their meds and prescriptions from their psychiatrists who also help them with the emotional upheavals that go along with their chemical imbalances. My point is I do not believe that someone who suffers from chronic depression or any major illness should be on Big Brother. Chronic depression is a major illness, just ask Mike Wallace and others who have been completely paralyzed by it. I have a friend that was bedridden for almost a year with depression. This person is fine after seeing many psychopharmacologists who came up with the right cocktail for her. She sees her psychiatrist every two weeks and her dosage is constantly monitored. I would be surprised if someone who suffered from chronic depression just relied on a regular gp for a prescription and didnt get continuous monitoring. |
Oregonfire | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:31 pm     As someone who probably lost a job due to PMS, I can say that in my case, it does exist. (I can be an unreasonable b*tch in other respects, and that has nothing to do with my monthies, I'll freely admit it.) Especially about five days before my period starts I am a total nut job, and then I cry easily the next day and the day after. It's like clockwork. But that's just me. In this case, my stance is the typical pro-Chiara one from me. Poor Roddy my *ss. He's going advance in the game because of her behavior, and she's going to be evicted because she has PMS-related mood swings and the weakness of showing emotions. Yeah, poor Roddy--he's got it so tough. |
Ms_Snoodle | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:31 pm     LOL at Wcv63! TY Goddess for helping to explain what I was trying to get across. And I agree about Chiara. I think she has many, complex issues. At first I couldn't stand her but now my compassion is coming out. |
Karuuna | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:32 pm     LOL, Goddess. To add a cute little face, you type \clipart{wink} For a full list of available faces, click on the link at the top of this page that says "clipart". Pretty soon you'll be as much of a pro at that, as you are at being articulate and fair!  |
Ladytex | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:34 pm     Thank you Oregonfire and Wcv63, this is what I was trying to say a few hours ago. |
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