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Ryanc2002

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Katrina - Oh god, and I thought this was a hit on my privacy as a guy. Even *I* never thought of that.

Flyonthwall

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I had a hysterectomy at age 20 due to cysts...but I take many mind drugs now due to a tumor in my frontal lobe into my left temporal area.

WHen someone says Hey you pms'ing? as a snide remark...I get to come back in the great words of Mark on ER and say..."No, I have a brain tumor...what's your excuse?" hahaha
Oh well at least I can laugh even while takeing all these mind bending drugs.
There are so many things to think about, I don't have time to critize anyone for their own emotional conflits within themselves.

Each of us have our own load to bear, and it takes a lot of strength in a person to admit their faults and weaknesses.

Lets just give it a break and realize that drugs can help, they can hurt, but each person needs to take and do what they have to, to survive this world and protect their own health.
More power to those who can find their answers, do what is right for them and do their best to eleavate their own pain. My deepest respect for each person battling their own delimas and hopefully someday we can each be more tollerante of others we can't really understand, without labeling them as wacko, crazy or demented or sick, just because they need some extra help.

Sorry this is disjointed, but my own drugs are making it hard for me to speak with intelligence I used to posses.
Thanks for being kind to each other and trying to understand your friends here.

Okay nuf of that...now back to the game.
FLy

Marcellasfan

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryan, I think what you teacher said was good. I always feel rejuvenated after my monthly. Of course, I don't have the wild mood swings either..and I'd bet a dollar that most women who do are milking it. There cannot be THAT many women who need pills for something so natural. Our society has turned into a bunch of whiny, non-copers. For all the women out there who have fed into this...get a grip!

Ms_Snoodle

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said, Fly!

Ryanc2002

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellasfan - I agree. Society in general, especially kids today are weak, whiney, brats. But my views on that topic will get this thread killed, I guarentee it, so I'll be good...

Wcv63

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellasfan: Who said we all need pills? Hormonal inbalances do indeed cause physical reactions. I can't speak for anyone but myself but I do believe you owe me a dollar. Just donate it to the charity of your choice.

Marcellasfan

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv, I'm not saying hormonal inbalances don't happen. What I'm saying is that too many are quick to take pills instead of coping.

Wcv63

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You cannot "cope your way" out of physical and hormonal inbalances. Willpower and strength of character just have no effect on this ailment.

That's like saying people who use eyeglasses are too quick to "give in" to their medical condition and should just "cope".

Ryanc2002

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Edited - Clearing this post because I don't want to get into this debate again...

Marcellasfan

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hormonal imbalances happen everyday. If you don't eat..you're out of balance, for example. Most imbalances naturally right themselves, i.e., the monthly cycle.
I do think we might just have to agree to disagree ;).

Ladytex

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But that's not what you said. Your post condemned every woman that has hormonal imbalances when they pms. Generalizations do more harm than good and cause more hurt feelings on this board, I've noticed. I have a grip ... and get ready to donate lots of dollars. More women than you seem to realize suffer from this and it is a legitimate problem. Just because you are one of the lucky ones, doesn't mean that most everyone else is "milking it".

Iceprincess

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
--tries to stop fingers from typing but can't resist--

I think what Wcv was trying to say is that people tend to reach for the quick easy fix. Whether it be pills, surgery or whatever.

Marcellasfan

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
p.s. I also am not saying that chronic imbalances should remain untreated. I just think there is abuse and excuse going on.

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Miss Princess: I'm so glad you came back.

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellasfan: I agree. And it presents a serious disservice to people who are suffering from the real thing.

Zachsmom

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
exactly marcellasfan..look at Chiara..she says she suffers from PMS..how many days have they been in there? I don't see any change in her behavior since I started watching the live feeds..day 5 that they were in there..what are they on now? day 18? Pretty long cycle!!!!

I agree with you too princess..:)

Wcv63

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryan no that's not what I'm saying. The discussion was about the attendant irritability and other physical symptoms that accompany hormonal imbalances. I don't "pop pills" and the only medication I take is aspiran or other over the counter pain relievers.

BUT, that doesn't make what I'm going through any less real nor does it mean that I'm milking anything.

Marcellesfan, I myself stated in a previous post that irritability and grumpiness and/or hormonal inbalances are not confined to PMS. I also stated that women haven't cornered the market on irritability.

I maintain that you made a bet and I'm claiming my dollar. :)

Ladytex, thanks for the backup.

Iceprincess

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Unfortunately this topic is very near and dear to my heart, not only am I on prozac for situational depression I have serious PMS. My Dr. has chastised me for going off the Birth Control Pills which were supposed to alter my hormonal mood swings. And I have to say AFTER going off of them my GOD AM I A MOODY B*TCH which I am PMSing...LOL I can see the difference, and I try to handle it without medicine, however I find myself becoming more and more of a recluse and I think I need to go back on them, or find another treatment that would better suit me. However, I am ot, this is not about Chiara and her prozac. I applaud her for seeking treatment for her disorder and hope that these pills do work for her. There is nothing wrong with her being on the prozac...it is just like Gerry on the CPAP (which I get mine next week LOL) I don't see a thread about sleep apnea, so why this?

Marcellasfan

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's in the mail, Wcv. ;)

Ryanc2002

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WCV63: Grrr...Tried to back out of that post before you saw it. LOL <see above>

Abigail1970

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zachsmom - I thought it was only recently that Chiara started acting irrational? Before that she seemed a pretty, happy go-lucky type? What do you mean?

Hunter

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One morning...I really can't remember when it was... a few years ago..I woke up...crying...sobbing. A strong, confident police officer. known for my ablity to bring calm and control to people who were dealing with the most difficult and stressful times of their lives. I was terrified.

I was afraid and embarrassed by the fact that somehow I was losing control of my life. My emotions were getting away from me. This could not be happening to...me.

On the surface I was calm and reasurring to everyone else. Inside I was suffering a deep pain that is hard for anyone who has not suffered from emotional illness to understand.

I had to hide it...fake it. My career would be at stake. I would be seen as weak in the macho world I lived in. So I just...took it...and suffered.

As fate would have it...one day I inadvertantly became exposed to the blood of a young man who was dying of late term aids. His blood got into a cut on my hand when I responded to a call on an attempted suicide.

It was recomended that I go on what is called the protocol treatment as a precaustion. Heavy doses of AZT..cixovan..a horrible concotion.

Part of the treatment was a visit to a couselor. Reluctantly...I went. This wonderful insightful woman was able to break down walls that I had been hiding behind. She got me to open up.

I was found to be suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome, and clinical depression, related to deaths of children I had craddled in my arms and had witnessed over a period of time.

Trust me ..I am coming to an end.

My doctor put me on Zoloft, a wonderful drug that gave me back my life...my confidence and my career.

Don't be afraid of mental illness. Don't see people who have had the courage to face it and treat it as...weak...unstable.

There but for the Grace of God..go YOU.

Sorry my friends...I just felt compelled to write this.

Ms_Snoodle

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sorry, buy I just can't resist one last comment. For 30 years I suffered with what I now call PMS, but it never had a name. My Mom always knew before even I did that it was coming up to that time of the month. She even called my behavior that of a crazy woman and after marriage, my husband's choice of words were that my behavior was "not logical". The labels hurt and I hated my out-of-control self, not to mention the physical discomfort. What I would have given to have medication that would help myself and my loved ones to have an easier time of it. How can some people judge what they haven't experienced firsthand? Please have some compassion. Please???

Flyonthwall

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 02:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think a lot of folks reach for the quick fix today. But it does not make their pain or agony less real. That is the problem with so much of the impression of illness and doctors looking at it then blowing it off.

It does not necessary mean they will find that quick fix, but when your hurting beyond what YOU can handle then you look for relief so you can get back to your life.

If someone could have looked deeper into my complaints long agao when it first started, maybe i could have had more of a chance with better drugs. My power of prayer was not enough or positive thinking did not slow down my own process.
I still "suck up and deal on the bad days just so "others" don't feel bad or have to deal with my attitude or wacko-ness.

Then that brings anomosity from me towards others for I feel they don't care about me.

I know I'm talking about a different subject here but a lot of what I'm hearing is things I've heard and said in this sitation I'm in, not just any one given thing.
You maybe able to suck up and deal, but don't expect another person to live by your rules.
It can have a very different advers effect in their life, not yours.

Okay sorry gang...I'm trying to express what I think but not working well...so I'll bow out on this for now and come back later when I feel I can get into this better.

{{{HUGS}}} to all suffereing and not feeling they are getting the understanidn "they" deserve.
Fly

Oregonfire

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She does seem pretty happy-go-lucky, but the jealousy thing is playing with her head. Being stuck in there 24-7 with those catty girls, it might start to get to me too. Lisa and Amy would more than happily take Roddy off her hands after she's gone.

That said, she needs to go somewhere (the bathroom?) and meditate and get the idea out of her head, because this sort of thing is really a self-fufilling prophesy.