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Bastable

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 05:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Twiggy, everyone, we ARE warned ahead of time! There is a little black box at the start of EVERY TV that says TV-PG, TV-MA, whatever, along with L for bad language, S for sexual situations, etc.

Those ratings, which were voluntarily instituted by the TV industry, were created to guide parents. Now that we have them, people are STILL trying to get warnings on shows. I don't think those people are paying any attention at all. Warnings are in place. It's not my fault they're being ignored; don't make me pay because others are too lazy to use them.

Twiggyish

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 05:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, show whatever at 8:00 at night on a regular National Channel. There satisfied! The rest of us are wrong for worrying about young children, other than our own, seeing it. The reason I don't worry, is because I use the clicker and change it.

Bastable

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 05:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If people don't know what their own kids are watching on TV, what's happening on Big Brother is the least of their parenting worries.

There are parental warnings on shows, and the V-chip, which has been installed in most new TVs for the past five years or so, can block ANY show with a warning level parents don't like. Cable boxes can are also capable of blocking many shows.

I refuse to live in a country that is programmed for the emotional level of a three-year-old. Parents have many, many tools to keep unwanted programming away. They don't use them.

(This is the kind of stuff that makes Europe mock America.)

Maris

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 05:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Bastable.

Squidvicious

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 05:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In my area the station scrolls a message at the bottom of the screen every 15 or 30 minutes that says "This program may contain situations inappropriate for children." I think that's fine and dandy and am sure it came out of local action.

Furthermore, there are plenty of quality, family-oriented shows that air at the same time as Big Brother (such as Bernie Mac). There are also other things kids can do, such as reading a book.

(Oh, and Keiffer, "riska" is not a word, but "risque" is. :D)

Twiggyish

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 05:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As to what Europe thinks of us, doesn't mean anything to me.

Yes, parents should be more careful. I agree and
I hate censorship, too.

The other BB's shows have been more fun and about strategies. The shows I have seen this season, have been funny and worth discussing. But, the other night was too much. That's my opinion about it.

I don't want to see BB banned, as the person in the article above seems to want..
Besides, what would discuss in here!

(I think I'm the only brave one to tackle the opposing side of this!)

Bastable

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 05:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
None of my comments, Twiggy, are designed to belittle your interest in your children's welfare. I didn't accuse you of having the wrong impulse. And I never thought you wanted the show banned. I think your opinion is just fine. I am speaking to the general idea of this thread, which has to do not with you but with the call to action posted in the first message.

And I not surprised that you don't care about what the rest of the world thinks of America. I have noticed that precious few Americans do, and strangely, they boast of this ignorance. As someone who lives in Manhattan and was here on 9/11, I do not wish to discuss the issue of American isolation with you. It is a very sore subject with us New Yorkers that the rest of the country doesn't often understand.

But it does bear mention to the rest of the group that European TV standards are much more adult, across the board--nudity on prime-time TV, what we consider profanity, sexual situations, etc. And--whaddaya know--you don't see their kids growing up to be mass murderers.

Santo

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 05:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Europe mock America? The UK at least is worse... you try swearing before 9pm (watershed) and you get clamped down on like a ton of bricks. They're pretty stuffy about what's shown after 9 too...

Bastable

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 05:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Santo, let's have a little talk about Graham Norton! Granted, that's late night, but even our late night people can't go that far. He gets heavily edited when they air him here.

And then when you get to Eastern Europe, you can see soft porn on late-night broadcast TV, too.

Twiggyish

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 05:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whoah Bastable, 911 and New York and the rest of America??

I happen to belong to a few email lists which include Europeans. I know they have a poor opinion of Americans, despite our tv viewing preferences.

As to the rest about myself personally, well yeah, I knew that, too.

Faerygdds

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 05:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK... Sounding off...

First of all.. I don't have kids.. that's not by choice, but by medical circumstance! However, I have 3 small nieces and nephews ranging in age from 20 months to 8 years old.

My Brother has been a BB fan since the days of Brittany and Josh. He tapes the shows and watches them in his own bedroom after all the kids have gone to bed. The children have NEVER caught an episode... as it should be. That's called responsible parenting.

He does the same thing with Survivor, The Amazing Race, and any other show that MAY have "questionable material" on it. Meanwhile... his kids are in the living room watching something on TV that IS suitable for them... That Squarepants sponge Bob guy is really popular in their home.. as are the powder puff girls, and probably 100 video tapes of animated bliss. The point is this...

It should NOT be the responsibility of the networks to control what children watch... that is the responsibility of the PARENTS!

Twig - I know you don't want the show pulled like the person above, and I am not attacking you directly, BUT riddle me this.... when did we start putting the minds of our children into the hands of profit seeking corporations who recognize that sex and vulgarity (however pathetic that may be) sells?

Crossfire

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Must....resist....jumping....in...

Twiggyish

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm digging myself in deeper, because this is going beyond a simple discussion of the time slot for last week's show. good night all. I won't discuss world politics, world views of our country, 911 (which means everything in the world to me) was a low blow.
Whether or not allowing children to watch some of the shows on other networks, which are supposedly directed at children is another discussion.

Bastable

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Night!

(By the way, my "I don't wanna talk about American isolationism because of 9/11" wasn't anything remotely approaching a personal attack. Anyone who reads this thread can see it wasn't.)

Zachsmom

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh Twiggish NO!!! ((((((((HUG))))))))))))))

I understand completely what you are saying!!!!!!

Twiggyish

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We can talk in another thread about American isolationism.. sounds like an interesting topic.
I'm glad it wasn't directed at me personally, especially when you said.."And I not surprised that you don't care about what the rest of the world thinks of America"..
What I meant was I didn't care what they think about our tv viewing habits.
I agree with Maris and this is a pms night for everyone!

Bastable

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good... I only meant that few Americans care... not that I didn't think YOU, Twiggy, would care. I don't know you well enough to predict that.

Anyway, it was a tangent. (Which is my I put it in parentheses.) The much more interesting (and happy, believe it or not) topic is the one about if it's a problem that they're showing BB when they do...

Back to the chat at hand, kids! Get talkin'! I mean NOW!

(Let's talk about whether "PMS Night" is sexist... kidding!!)

Snee

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
holding...crossfire's...foot

aaaaaaaaaah! can't help it. bastable--hope you're still around--i don't understand the american isolationism/9/11 reference. i'm obviously missing something. can anyone else help me here?

Twiggyish

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bastable, good, I'm glad you didn't take me too personally, either!

Now back to the "happy" chat!

Bastable

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Snee, let's talk about it later, in some other forum.

Let's get back to something less shocking: tearing apart CBS' programming abilities.

Snee

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
pop it into my folder in the member's area if you like, bastable. i'm interested.

Justin42

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What *I* want to know, and this is vaguely related, is this: BB2's ratings were horrible at 8pm until CBS moved the show to 9pm. Once the show moved to 9 last year, the ratings went up (almost?) every show until Sept. 11, which caused the ratings to freak out (for obvious reasons, although they shot sky high).

WHY WHY WHY is CBS showing the show ever at 8 this year?!

I know at least 2-3 people who only have 1 TV and who are curious about my obsession, but don't want to bother taping it (not into it) but have small children (and I did warn them the show wasn't really appropriate)... and since the show is shown, in part, at 8pm, there's no way they'll tune in.

CBS seems to have a pretty major short attention span issue-- move the show to 9!

Christina

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 04:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hug to you Twiggy. I heard what you were getting at. I am with you. I think things are just getting smuttier all the time and at earlier times.

Djgirl5235

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 05:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've been stopping myself from jumping in, but I can't... I remember the time switch last year, and I have a feeling it's coming closer, although, it won't happen on Thursday night. Since CSI has pretty much won that time slot for CBS since the beginning of last year, CBS won't be giving up that timeslot for BB at all for this season. Saturday should be changed to 9:00, and as I said, I'm sure it's coming soon. CBS had this same timeslot lineup for the beginning of BB2 last year, and after the second eviction, it was changed to: Tuesday @ 9:00 (so this year it's Wednesday - which IMHO SUCKS!!!), Thursday @8:00 (same as this year) and Saturday @ 9:00 (I'm sure soon to change)... Any thoughts???

Crossfire

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 06:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What possessed them to put BB on Wed? I don't get that at all.

Paulyaceiii

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 07:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why is it that the PTC has a hang up about nudity, but no hang up at all with Chaira's "stellar" driving record?

Always the same thing with these people..sexual repression..

Santo

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just catching up on this thread... as for Graham Norton, I tend to avoid watching it. I have caught it on occasion, and agree it's bad.. however that is shown on Channel 4, which operates under far less strict rules than BBC and ITV... that said, I do take your point however.

My point was with the sexual situations, you won't find much of those on UK TV after 9, let alone before... from the BB episodes I've seen (via the newsgroups), they're classed as TV14 with lanaguage and another warning, so I really don't see the problem..

Car54

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 07:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The time slot thing is pretty simple, actually.

BB3 is filling the Wednesday slot that Amazing Race usually holds. It is holding the slot on Thursday for Survivor, and no network has any show that does well on Saturday 8pm against cable movies, and it is a limited run, so who cares.

They really can't re-run their regular fall/winter reality shows, so BB is filling space for them in the summer.