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Texastillie

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tonya is what she is but one thing she doesn't seem to be is unkind or mean-spirited.

Jan

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know Texas you are right. She is not the sharpest knife in the drawer but she is really never unkind. Amy, on the other hand, makes a living on being unkind...funny yes, but all her funnieness is based on being unkind

Ryanc2002

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Unkind? No.
Clueless? Yes.
Self-Centered? Yes.

Demeter

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to disagree, I see her making catty remarks just as much as the other females in the house. Her biggest target is Amy.

Marcellasfan

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree 100%. Tonya is shallow because she isn't too sharp. She has spent her life just trying to get by and, for her, that is with her looks. She is dreadfully uneducated, but she is not mean. She is probably the 'nicest' woman in the house. I don't think she'll last long because she just isn't up to par with the others.

Bmh

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tonya has been a little catty..but out of Lisa,Chiara,and herself..she is the most kind and nice..I mean she is kind enough to actually have conversations with Gerry when none of the other 5 will..and I find that she means well..and doesn't really want to screw anyone over

Tonya takes alot of crap on the board that she deserves but I have to give her props for being the kindest of the 6-pack

Texastillie

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I recall that even when the others were being mean to Marc, she was not. He even said that she had always been nice to him.

Altho I like her, I agree that Amy's humor is almost always at somebody else's expense.

Anyway, I have ragged on Tonya some in other threads for what she seems to be. I just thot I'd also mention what she doesn't seem to be.

Bernie

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
After actually getting to watch some live feeds in the last couple of days, I have to agree that Tonya seems to be mostly 'not very smart' and not downright mean. I think she's pretty harmless, in fact.

Aylana

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Demeter... She has her moments.

I like Tonya, on a superficial level... She would not be someone I would hang out with, but she would be someone that I would enjoy talking to occasionally.

She does not seem mean spirited... but she certainly in the beginning (before the leak) was quite the gossip... I think she has the worry of her breast leaking that has more or less taken her out of the mix.

Kind of hard to concentrate on the machinations of the game, when your most prized possesion..lol seems to have sprung a leak...lol Actually, I really feel bad for her.. they are all ok.. just playing an ugly game.

Cameltoes

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She is definitely the least catty of the girls. I do feel bad for her more than I did initially. She doesn't have much self awareness but I don't find her to be malicious. She has also handled her nomination very well. Yes, she doesn't believe she is leaving but neither did Lori and Lori still wigged out.

Jan

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree camel. She has been the very best of all of them about being nominated...even when she found out that Josh was trying to sabatoge her a bit.

Sure she is dumb and totally not self aware and maybe not a great example..but I do believe that she is the most warm hearted person in the house

Goddessatlaw

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The are all jewels in the crown of womanhood. I wish I could be in there with them. Just long enough to tell them all what I REALLY think of them, get all of their boyfriends to flirt with me, and then leave the place to burn down behind me in a series of barneys, accusatory silences and downright jihads.

Texastillie

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ummmm ... Well, then.

Abigail1970

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How does anyone justify calling Tonya dumb? What is the basis behind that? Did she use a word incorrectly? Does she have poor grammar? Did anyone go to school with her? Or perhaps, just because she cares a lot more than most women about her looks she is perceived as being dumb? Or because she is a blonde? Oh, tsk, tsk, how unfair it is to judge a book by its cover...

Zeyna

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I too find Tonya to be kind. She is probably Chiara's closest ally, which is why she sometimes makes catty remarks about Amy. Amy's remarks about Tonya are so much worse IMO.
She's not overly concearned with the game and is just enjoying the sunshine for now.

Tisha90029

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Abigail. In that whole thread about Tonya's implants, I was amazed at the level of ire she provoked because she altered her body--as if we don't all do it everyday by the foods we eat and the exercise we do or don't do. In fact, I was afraid to speak up and say "look, I have implants, but it doesn't mean I am psychologically impaired and it doesn't give license to insult me."

indeed, when we engage in that behavior, we are just as "bad" as the women in the house.

Marcellasfan

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Usually people who can't think of things to talk about except their body, what trinkets she likes/has, name brands, etc. shows that they aren't too bright. Maybe she isn't dumb, per se, just sadly uneducated. That and she sure doesn't concern herself with the world beyond her nose

Tabbyking

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
while i haven't called her 'dumb', i do believe she has made some less than great decisions on occasion with respect to her life. her choices, certainly, but at some point they affect other people, so she should maybe be a little more conservative. if she had no kids, she could do whatever with my blessing. i do feel bad that she feels outer beauty is so important, to where there is no tonya left. not the hair color, not the shape God gave her...she seems to be a 'reflection of what men see'. if men think she is okay, she is okay. if men like big breasts, she will get big breasts. if men prefer blondes, she will be blonde. i just wish she realized it isn't all men, and not the best men, who judge a woman on physical beauty only. there are men who would love her for being a devoted and adoring mother, who would love to feel adequate with the amount of money they make, who would not be made to feel they don't count if they can't put 'at least a 2 carat diamond' on her finger, who would love the physical tonya pre-implants and hair coloring. she is living in a make-believe world. it's her world, and she made it, but i wonder if she is truly happy deep inside. a lot of what she says has to do with name dropping, millionaires, how much things cost in her life, what men will pay for. let me see the tonya that doesn't base her existence as it relates to males.

Abigail1970

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She talks about her children a lot as well. And her boyfriend. Does that contribute to her 'dumbness'? Does anyone know if she went to college? And even if not, I know extremely smart people who didn't go past high school. I know I am fighting a losing battle defending Tonya but I think most people really don't like her because of how she looks, period, dot.

Classycassfan

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually Tonya has said she is afraid to speak on the live program this week because she does not have the speaking skills the others do (PP) so if you want to say that is dumb... ya I have to give ya that one.

Everyone that posts reg here knows my past statements of brainless and plastic.... but I have to agree she is not unkind. She does seem to have some compassion. At least she makes the effort to speak to Gerry, when no one else even gives it a try any more. And in no way am I implying that she is able to carry the conversation on a level that Gerry would greatly enjoy being involved in. But he see's her trying and he respects her for that.

Any chance these two might join forces and work the others? That would be great in my mind. And lets face it I didn't like Tonya as a winner at first but 500k or 50k to either one of them would give them some money to make their families life more enjoyable.

Crossfire

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tonya has not given us a lot to work with yet.

It seems to me, everytime I see her name mentioned, it is invariably followed by a FOTH.

Marcellasfan

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
educated does not mean college. Like you, Abigail, I've met dumb degree holders and brilliant people who only went as far as high school. Generally an educated person is one that is somewhat well-read and aware of what's happening in the world and conversant in history and how it connects with what's going on now. Tonya has none of that.

Tabbyking

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i have heard her talk of her children, too. how they live with their father, how she shaves her daughter's back (starting at age 6) so people wouldn't find the daughter unattractive...

Crossfire

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What? Women do that? I had no idea.

Whacky stuph.

Tisha90029

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG she shaves her daughter's back?! OK, she's an idiot. LOL.

Tabbyking

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
and as for her boyfriend, why would she talk about being able to get a millionaire if she wanted. and what size ring a man had better give her if she were to consider remarrying. sounds like he is easily replaceable.
i am trying to find something good about tonya. and everytime i think she is okay--at least not as bad as chiara and lisa--someone posts something 'positive' about her, which reminds me of the unpositive tonyaisms on those very subjects!