Archive through July 28, 2002
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Archive through July 28, 2002
Ryanc2002 | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:20 pm     Basically, Tonya is outside of the house, she can watch the show. By showing Tonya that it could affect her vote on the final show if Danielle is in the final two. |
Katrina | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:22 pm     It doesn't matter what Danielle says about Tonya's parenting on BB. That will not affect the court case. Danielle is no expert and has never even seen Tonya's kids and was not under oath when she made any comments. What might affect Tonya's custody case is her decision to go away for what was potentially more than three months to be on TV at this sensitive time in her young kids' lives. What might affect her custody case is the manner in which she presented herself publicly on that program -- her own actions, her own words, her own appearance, her own judgement. The judge will not be interested in Danielle's unprofessional opinion as presented on a TV game show. It is made very clear to anyone who goes on that program that there are cameras and microphones present and operative at all times, that they have given full consent for use of their likenesses on tape/live Internet feeds, and that they will have zero say in the editing process. BB can use whatever they want, and they in no way jeopardized Tonya's custody case. She may have jeopardized it herself by going to L.A. to be on that program, but that is not Mr. Shapiro's responsibility. She is a grown woman, and if that is the choice she felt most appropriate to her motherly responsibilities at this time, then the Court has every right to examine her adult choices and to hold only her accountable for them. |
Ryanc2002 | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:24 pm     Katrina - Well put. |
Jesse | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:25 pm     Katrina . . . so you are a Judge? Lawyer? |
Bohawkins | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:25 pm     Ryan, you sound like someone who does need to attend a sex ed class. Most guys dip their fingers down there into the honey pot when "making out" in bed. It is a very early part of sex play under the covers (even if intercourse never occurs). Any "heavy petting" (even without such exploration) causes fluids to start flowing (both male and female), and those end up on the hands, which are touching and caressing those parts. Male ejaculation or female orgasm is not necessary for there to be lots of juices, which need to be washed off hands and other parts after just such an encounter. |
Tabbyking | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:27 pm     and remember, lisa can have an orgasm if you touch her belly button. i think they probably were just playing 'navel destroyer' the other night. |
Tabbyking | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:28 pm     because we all know what's long, hard, goes deep and is full of seamen...a submarine! |
Jesse | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:31 pm     Maybe some board people are getting tittalated using the board for sex ed . . . this thread was meant for adults. |
Katrina | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:32 pm     Thanks, Ryan. I have been noticing your comments around this board. You have really been growing on me. No, Jesse, just argumentative! Might have gone to law school if I hadn't run into lots of unexpected life difficulties along the way. Who knows, maybe someday..... Actually, I am going to start a part-time job in the Fall as the visitation supervisor for the court-ordered supervised visits of a father with his young child. And it's going to be really interesting, because the parents are both really bright attorneys, there's all kinds of endless custody litigation back-and-forth, the small child even has an independent attorney, and for all I know, I might end up dragged in for depositions eventually. (Not to worry, I give you all no specifics, and Katrina isn't my real name anyway!) |
Ryanc2002 | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:32 pm     Jesse - I hope you aren't referring to me. |
Katrina | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:44 pm     I don't understand. Ryan has said nothing that suggested to me that he is lacking a basic understanding of sex, and unless he has specified elsewhere, it would be beyond rude of us to speculate as to his personal range of knowledge of the subject. Sounds like maybe some could argue with him about what does/does not constitute sex, but I'm not sure everyone in high school even comes to agree on what the bases are, nevermind that whole national political debate about what constitutes sex..... Ryan certainly never said anything that suggested he wasn't all for people washing their hands on all appropriate occasions! As a young man with medical issues, he's probably a little more informed about the importance of proper hygiene and caution about bacteria than the average teenage boy anyway. |
Bohawkins | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:56 pm     Actually, Danielle could be called as a witness, not specifically to relate what Tonya said, because that would be hearsay evidence. But, she could be asked in court for her impression of Tonya's attitude when she discussed her children, and whether comments by Tonya gave her the impression that she cared about her children, or whether Tonya acted or said things that showed she was not interested in the welfare or custody of her children. A good prosecutor or other attorney can get very good testimony from someone who heard a defendant talking, without asking them (in fact, warning them not to) to repeat a single word they said. I could easily write a series of acceptable questions by which Danielle could explain on the stand why she came away with the feeling that Tonya is an unfit mother. |
Bohawkins | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:59 pm     Katrina - read the thread. Ryan's comments, and my subsequent conclusions are self explanatory. |
Katrina | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:17 pm     Heck, they could also call everyone Tonya ever met and all of the camera people and producers behind the glass at the BB house..... I hardly think self-described snake in the house competitor Danielle would be worth paying to fly out to Vegas for that little duty! At any rate, Tonya took all of those risks by going on the show at a time when she might have been best advised not to. That responsibility still accrues to her, not to Mr. Shapiro. They may well have even asked her was she sure she wanted to join their little summer camp for wackos. She surely could have said no at any time. Or behaved differently while she was there. I will let Ryan speak for himself, and I won't jump to such conclusions about him. |
Ryanc2002 | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:24 pm     Katrina and Bo - Totally not worth the effort it would take to not only respond to all of this, but also the subsequent replies to any reply I were to give. Katrina, I do thank you for your support. |
Katrina | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:29 pm     You're welcome, Bartyles & James. Oh, no, don't tell me I'm so old now that you don't even remember them in those "we thank you for your support" commercials..... (No age offense intended. My husband and I have more than three decades between us, so we've heard or made every age joke in the book. I'm always on the youngster end of the jokes when we're around people his age.) |
Ryanc2002 | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:32 pm     Maybe you're not old, maybe I'm just young...I don't remember those ads. |
Moderator | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:38 pm     Stay on topic without flaming or baiting people. 007 |
Seamonkey | Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 11:59 pm     Part of their smarmy gossip is that Gerry doesn't shower, but no.. it is that none of them have their lazy butts out of bed when Gerry showers. I imagine he gets up and showers early partly to avoid being the butt of even MORE of their cruel comments. I think popping pimples and handling lizards is probably more potentially hazardous to health than Gerry, but who knows. As Tonya pointed out drying hands or whatever on a towel that someone may have used on their butt may also not be so sanitary. Oh yeah and nosepicking, which Eric enjoys.. that's another possible source of contamination. I think Shapiro probably feels he was a prince among men to change Tonya's "don't f*ck with me" to "don't screw with me" and to leave out Dani's even more sensational pronouncements about Tonya conceiving three children while high on cocaine. Toads... |
Mygetaway | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:03 am     Jesse... I come to this discussion a little bit late, but I have to agree with Katrina and others. If Tonya was worried at all, she should have stayed home and never went on the show. Even if Danielle's comments didn't go out on the air, there is plenty of other things that did and they make Tonya look worse than anything Danielle said. |
Katrina | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:31 am     I do feel badly for Tonya, as it seems she has deep "personal issues" that stem from we know not what/when. I'd feel worse for her if she were very young and very naive. But at her age and experience level, she has to know that, fair or not, publicly dressing like the mother least likely to be elected president of the PTA is not going to be helpful in a custody fight. (Unless you're Pamela Anderson, you make a great living playing that role, and your ex is Tommy Lee.) Maybe TV shouldn't exploit vulnerable people in vulnerable life circumstances, but in that case, half of the reality shows shouldn't be on the air, and "Cops" should be illegal! |
Floresmama | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 03:36 am     I have witnessed Gerry shower after a work out but he was in and out of there in a flash and it certainly doesn't happen on a daily basis. He is not the only HG who doesn't wash his hands but he is the only one who doesn't shower daily, doesn't change his clothes daily, doesn't cover his mouth when he coughs, doesn't dry his hands when he does remember to rinse them(no soap) after he goes to the restroom. I think that they need to inform BB who should be well aware because they talk about it ad nauseum. And BB should do what it takes to remove the health issue. |
Earthmother | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 06:48 am     Well if they are going to eliminate the health issue then they should take away the red meat, ciggs, booze, etc. Seamonkey is right Gerry does shower and he has showered every day that I can remember while the kiddies sleep. If you go into the shower for the purpose of getting clean it shouldn't take 30 minutes or more, who are we to judge? Erik works out every other second and he sweats but I don't see him running to the shower 3 times a day. The band-wagon mentality is childish. They can't find any reason, since they all know his speech was meant for him, to demoralize him so this is the easist one for them. The majority of these people are so foul mouthed that they should be more concerned with who isn't washing them out with soap. Now they are dirty. These girls talk about being on their periods and crawl all over the kitchen counters, now that's dirty. Smarmy could be the middle name of most of these people, least of all Jason and Gerry. |
Inkydinkyspider | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:14 am     Thank you Earthmother! Well said! I like Gerry and would choose him over the others as a friend...he reminds me of someone whom I'd like to have as a neighbour...but I'm just an honest,mature, conservative Canadian who is not prone to dirty sex talk and voyeurism |
Penpoint | Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:22 am     I find it interesting that in almost every anti-Gerry conversation I've witnessed (other than Josh's irrational rants accusing Gerry of being a Nazi) one particular HG has either been the instigator or obviously prolonged the anti-Gerry tirade. That HG is Danielle. She's very clever in her attacks, always casting herself in some elevated role--the goddess of clean, the devoted mother, the wise sister--while planting negative seeds about someone else in the minds of other HGs. And that is smarmy. |
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