Archive through July 23, 2002
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Chiara is currently out on bail on drunk driving charge:
Archive through July 23, 2002
Katrina | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 10:49 pm     Beautiful tribute site, Eura. Thank you for sharing. Mothers led the unprecedented charge in this country to educate average citizens about the foolish danger of mixing social drinking with driving and to tighten up the laws and enforcement of laws against drunk driving. You have a moral and righteous crusade, and I'm sure your Laura and your mom would be proud of you for bravely moving forward and sharing their stories. And yours. Thanks and best wishes always. |
Moondance | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 10:56 pm     (((Eura))) There are no words |
Lancecrossfire | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:04 pm     Eura--what a wonderful tribute.  |
Snee | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:08 pm     thank you for sharing your story, eura. i am so sorry that happened to you...and that it happens to a horrible number of people every year. i think drunk drivers should get serious time and have their cars seized. drunk drivers who kill should be treated like premeditated murderers. |
Car54 | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:11 pm     Eura, thank you for sharing your story. You are absolutely right...this is a very serious thing. We appreciate so much your point of view. Sometimes it takes hearing it from someone first hand to make people understand. |
Cyn | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:12 pm     Eura, thank you for sharing. I am so sorry that you had to have this happen. My sincere wishes go to you and your family. Your tributesite is beautiful. I know that Laura and your Mom are so proud of you. GB, Cyn |
Starshine | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:23 pm     Oh, Eura, there are no words... What a beautiful daughter and a beautiful memorial. Perhaps it would shake Chiara to her very core to see your beautiful angel and read your story. May God Bless you each and every day, you have some very special angels watching over you. |
Bernie | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:34 pm     Eura, I'm so sorry for your terrible loss, and thank you for having the courage to share with us. No one should have to suffer in such a way, for such a reason. Since one of my sons has twice been the victim of drunk drivers, I support MADD, and pray that one day soon, no one will ever have to go through your pain. God bless you and your family, and your angels. (((Eura))) Hugs from Ruth |
Lurknomore | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:49 pm     Big hug from me to Eura...all too well I know the damage that can be done senselessly and how hard it is to pick up the pieces and go on. I think a real contributing part of the problem is folks STILL don't equate driving under the influence with the amazing damage we can do. I think your story can touch hearts in ways words at caution and common sense can't. Thanks so for sharing! |
Tess | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:51 pm     Eura, I rarely post in the BB area and can't keep up with the 1000's of new posts every day.....but yours caught my eye. I went to your daughter's website and now sit here with tears rolling down my face. She was beautiful and is most assuredly with the angels. Thank you for sharing your story and Laura's tributesite with us. I wish only the best for you and your family in the future.
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Goddessatlaw | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 06:47 am     I'm wondering whether the "combined influence of a drug and alcohol" in the charging information for Chiara is actually referencing her use of Prozac as opposed to a street drug. Isn't it the case with seratonin reuptake inhibitors that the user is not supposed to drink alcoholic beverages? Maybe that's the "combined" reference, and California law takes into account the misuse of an otherwise legally prescribed drug. |
Pagal | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 11:06 am     Nevermind |
Sheilaree | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 11:12 am     Eura, I an so sorry for your family. I am surprised that CBS let someone like CHIARA on the show if she is on probation. I would have thought they would have look into it, and not have her on the show. |
Santo | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 11:20 am     Eura - I too have nothing but sympathy for your situation.. every death is a tragic loss, and it's so much worse when you know it can be avoided... I say this from personal experience as much as anything. That said, I have never been a fan of the American 'eye for an eye' attitude, or how quick people are to condemn somebody... I said earlier in this thread that I think everybody deserves another chance.. In my personal family history, I had an uncle who died in 'suspicious' circumstances, the Police found somebody who was later acquitted, but even when I thought he was guilty I wouldn't have asked for the death sentance, or even for life imprisonment, simply because I think people can change... people need to be punished for what they do yes, but not to the extent where they never get a chance to put it right. With regard to Goddessatlaw's post, that seems to be right.. there was no statement mentioning a specific illegal drug, so the combined arguement would hold with Prozac or similar.. Finally, I believe CBS did know about this, and their lawyers are supposed to be dealing with it. I simply refer to what I said earlier as for letting her on the show... |
Snee | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 11:31 am     when i was on prozac there was a strong "do not take with alcohol warning". |
Calamity | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 11:35 am     Eura, my deepest sympathies to you and your husband on the loss of your darling daughter and your mother. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 11:46 am     Eura, thank you for sharing Laura with us. What a powerful tribute you have created. And bless that wonderful nurse who knew that those pictures would mean the world to you in time. Losing two generations like that is tragic, but I hope there was comfort in thinking that Laura had her grandma there in the transition. But, Moon is correct, no words will make things right; being only human, I had to try. |
Earthmother | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 11:54 am     someone said on another thread that she hasn't even been convicted of anything yet (basically no one should be judging her yet)...Maybe I'm wrong but if you were arressted don't they have to have some test that proves you were indeed drunk, so if that's true how can someone say she may not be guilty? I think a blood/alcohol test would be proof enough. |
Santo | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:21 pm     Yes and no... 'field tests' certainly aren't 100% accurate, so you can't base guilt on that alone... that said, I don't know whether she admitted it, plans to enter a bargain plea, will plead not guilty etc... etc... |
Lurknomore | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:28 pm     Santo, not sure if you read the thread all the way but I lost my boyfriend to a guy who was DUI. When he died basically the life I planned, any future kids, and most of my dreams died too. I'm not posting this for any sympathy. But I don't like your charaterization of the "American way of an eye for an eye." First, I couldn't tell you if that SOB served one day in jail...I didn't care. The only thing I wanted was my boyfriend back and since the courts couldn't do that I never even followed what happened or asked about it. Second, that said I PRAY that he was locked away to get him off the streets. It's not about retribution. It's about prevention. I don't want anyone else to walk in my shoes because this guy didn't learn his lesson. There is a big difference between this and an eye for an eye. Lastly you are forgetting one VERY important element that we earlier discussed in another thread. If anything is lacking here it isn't another chance but folks assuming PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Last year when Shannon spoke of killing someone under the influence she reflected back on how hard it was for HER, and what HER injuries were...not what her actions had done. That is what I have major issues with. Just some things you might want to think about. |
Lauram | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:33 pm     Eura: What a beautiful little girl. If there is such a thing a a cyber hug, I am now giving one to you. -->((( ))) Now I wipe my tears away. |
Lurknomore | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:35 pm     correction...i don't think dear Shannon was proven to be DUI...she just caused the accident. I don't want to cast more blame than due, even to her. |
Crossfire | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:35 pm     After reading this thread, and then going to other threads reading about people feeling sorry for her over trivial items like Roddy is driving me nuts. I've typed about eight messages into this box and others that I had to delete. The casual attitude people are treating a DUI is driving me completely insane. I'd be curious to know why she had no license to start with. It is quite common for DUI offenders to be repeats. Make me prez for a day, and boy would their be changes. Of course, it almost goes without mention that the Smoking Gun website just happens to have George W's, DUI files as well. Not surprising I guess. Very sad. |
Maris | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:40 pm     You are right Lurk, it is all about personal responsibility. It seems to me that today people try to find every reason under the sun to explain away bad and criminal behavior. As Crossfire said, you can find George W's DUI files, You have Ted kennedy who killed a girl while DUI and he never spent a day in jail. You have the Bush girls drinking in bars in a state where their own father enacted teh three strikes law about underage drinking and there is a "oh you know college kids" attitude. I am sure that if Chiara was out on bail on a drug dealing charge or a felony theft charge you would not be seeing her on Big Brother. But it is just drinking and driving, no big deal. At least that seems to be peoples attitudes. |
Santo | Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 12:52 pm     Lurk: No, tbh I hadn't read the whole thread, I joined the discussion fairly late on and didn't have time to catch up, I did go back and read your original post however.. Your first comment pretty much agreed with my story... As for the second, It's hard for me to write this because I don't want to sound overly crass... but... "I don't want anyone else to walk in my shoes because this guy didn't learn his lesson" - that is the part where my views differ from yours.. locking somebody away so as to not give them a chance to ever regain their life I don't consider right, because who are you or I to say if they learnt their lesson? The whole impact of what happened could have taught them the lesson, they could have been rehabiliated and made to understand it.. especially if this happened at a relatively young age... I can't really comment on the last part of your arguement, a) because I didn't read the other threads and b) I didn't watch the US BB2. One final thing I'd like to point out is that I was defending why (if I was in a position to do so) I wouldn't wipe my hands of Chiara or think less of her because of what she's done in the past, I wasn't defending Shannon or anyone who killed whilst DUI. I would also point out that Chiara didn't kill anyone, and that may not be completely down to luck. Everybody's body can take a different level of alcohol before their senses go, and different levels of alcohol take people to different stages. I personally have a very low tolerance, and do not drink at all before I drive. I know other people who have a relatively high tolerance (still well under the UK legal limit), and I feel completely safe when they're driving. For that reason, I don't feel it's fair to categorise someone who may have been stopped randomly and tested (assuming that happens in the US, it does here) over the limit - whilst there was no reason to think the vehichle was out of control - the same as somebody who killed whilst DUI.. Just some personal opinions.. |
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