Archive through July 25, 2002
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Archive through July 25, 2002
Ladytex | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 09:04 am     I'm afraid that this will turn out to be another BB2, with Josh trying to play the Will role. Well, I, for one, was never a Will fan ... not at the beginning, middle, or end ... and constantly cursed the others for being too stupid to live (j/k LOL). I don't care what happens, I don't see myself among the others that will be singing Josh's praises. If he's still around in 4 weeks or so, it won't because of the way he's played or his smartness, but by the other's arrogance and stupidity. |
Max | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 09:17 am     Today's camera tracking is what will be interesting. Any footage they shoot today will be subject to use in Saturday's taped show. So, if they avoid one or the other of the nominees, it could be telling. If they give them roughly equal time, we could have a tie (which is what I think would be most interesting tonight). Keep your eyes open on the live feeds today and see if we can figure out any pattern that correlates with what happens tonight. |
Sweaty | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 09:23 am     In my opinion Josh has zero positive attributes. He is even more manipulative and dishonest than Will last year. He pats the women's fannies. He farts. He plays the Jewish card. It will be hard to take the houseguests seriously if he stays. Wait till Amy finds out he lied to her face about his vote to evict her. I don't understand why Roddy has worked to keep him around?? |
Cameltoes | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 09:27 am     Roddy isn't much better than Josh these days. I figure he needs to keep him around to make himself look better in comparison. |
Kmjm | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 09:42 am     Speaking of the 'Jewish card' do I remember correctly that Will from BBII was also Jewish? I know that Will did some diabolical stuff, but there was a lot that he didn't do compared to these guys. Just to get back on topic, so far Tonya's been on the feeds this morning since she got up. |
Ruditoo | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 09:52 am     Recaping (MTOT): The boys want the girls out. E,R,J The plan was "Whatever" it takes to control the girls votes then eliminate Kiki,Lisa and Amy as last three females. It maybe Danny 'in' Amy 'out now, since I think their afraid to put-up Danny. Danny can thank Gerry for that. So, I count all votes but one, Gerry, to oust Tonya and given all the times we have seen the BBHG line-up hoping to save themselfs ( even through their tears)it could be unanimous! My Vote ,if I had one, and as many others as I could muster, would have "Josh Out of There" I'm sick of his potty mouth, his disrepect of all the women, his weasely demeanor.... I fell a little better now. |
Crossfire | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 09:53 am     With respect to the jewish card, what exactly is the foundation for Josh's claim? That is what is bothering me so far. I've seen the accusation several times now, but I've not seen what is motivating it. If Josh has a valid claim, then I flip around 100 percent, but if he has no valid grievance, then I have to really condemn that behavior given the complications of the world. There is enough BS out there without fabrications complicating things. Anyone know? |
Max | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:06 am     Sorry to be a stick-in-the-mud, but if you guys can keep this to be a "nominee spotted on the feeds" thread and discuss predictions/desires for eviction over in the Josh or Tanya - how do you think the vote will go thread, I'd surely appreciate it. I wanted to use this thread to try and see if the cameras avoid the nominee who will be evicted. Thanks. |
Bmh | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:10 am     No problem Max..so far today..I haven't seen Josh..but Tonya has been on the cams frequently..talkin with Gerry and then talkin about her leaking boob again lol |
Cameltoes | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:11 am     As far as I can tell, Josh has absolutely no reason to bring his being Jewish into things other than strategy. As he said in the DR, he was working that angle for sympathy. As for calling Gerry anti-semitic, it's just nonsense. Gerry has never done or said anything remotely offensive in that regard. The only person that has made a comment that would show insensitivity (though not prejudice) was Chiara's comment comparing the alliance being in trouble if they don't win HOH to the Jewish plight during the holocaust. Josh laughed at her comment. Edited to add: Sorry for being off topic Max. I was typing and didn't see your post until after. Thus far, I haven't seen Josh but I don't know if he is awake. I've seen a limited amount of Tonya. |
Bernie | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:12 am     Not sure if I'm answering your question Crossfire, but on wednesday night's show, Josh was shown saying that as a Jew, he had suffered far worse discrimination than Danielle or Marcellas had, and also, he has called Gerry an anti-semitic, Nazi bigot, or words to that effect. We all know that Josh's people have endured and suffered the most intense and prolonged bigotry of any race since the dawn of the Christian era, but I sincerely doubt that Josh has personally had to endure much discrimination on a personal level, as an American Jew. The climate in the US is a far cry from that in 1930's Germany. However, after saying that, we cannot know for sure what has happened in his life, least of all from Josh himself, because he has lied since he walked into the door of the BB house. Jewish people on this board have condemned him for his stance, because, as one person said in the relevant thread, Josh is the type of man who gives his people a bad name. The irony of course is that he excoriates Gerry for what he calls 'playing the race card', when he's done exactly the same thing - a clear case of the pot calling the kettle black, to use an old and perhaps loaded figure of speech. |
Hardywins | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:21 am     Josh started playing the Jewish discrimination card by stating that for all his 28 years, he, personally had been abused and discriminated against for being jewish. He never cited any specific incident inside the House that was discriminatory; just a blanket condemnation of all "goyim" for his woes. Gerry being the most personally offensive to him for having vetoed Marci, is of course Josh's most ardent inuisitor! Will Kirby is indeed Jewish; but having come from a gifted, educated, and well respected and financially stable family background, as well as being empowered himself with intelligence and education, never felt the need to use the discrimination card. In BB2, only MOnica resorted to the race card for protection during extreme pressure when nominated by Nicole, to no avail. |
Crossfire | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:24 am     Thanks for the comments, so it appears that Josh is just playing a line. That is all I need to know. PS, so sorry Max, I should have made my own thread to ask the question, I did not even know where I was when I posted my follow on question. Signing off, since I don't even have the feeds to help here. |
Max | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:36 am     No problem, Crossfire. I totally understand. We are now going to be seeing a lot of FOTH today apparently. They were showing us a conversation in one of the bedrooms with Tonya, Roddy, Chiara, and I don't even know who else (except that Josh wasn't there). But then, the picture changed to the back yard where a bunch of people were setting up some sort of lanes, presumably for the HOH challenge tonight. Audio was still the bedroom, then they went to FOTH and haven't changed. I didn't see Josh at all this morning, but I did see Tonya several times. |
Ruditoo | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:55 am     Sorry Max, I'd move mine if I knew how. |
Cameltoes | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 11:38 am     Feeds been back up for about 10 minutes. Josh is now awake as I saw him once in a background shot of the bathroom. Could only see his body. Saw Tonya chatting in HRD with others. Significantly less shots of her than the others. Saw a moment of Josh getting coffee. Josh joins others in HRD. Shot of both him and Tonya together on bed. A little more of Josh (exposing his chest). He leaves HRD after a bit. |
Max | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 11:39 am     Feeds finally came back. Saw Josh for a bit and the camera even followed him through the house for a minute or two. Didn't stay with him long enough to hear any conversation, though. UGH! Now it's showing Gerry on the eliptical training machine.  |
Cameltoes | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 12:05 pm     Josh shown making breakfast for awhile. Few shots of Tonya while she is in HRD with others. Josh shown eating breakfast with Roddy. |
Flyonthwall | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 01:25 pm     They've been showing Josh working out a lot this morning...some snippits of Tonya, but seems mostly devoted to Josh. Hmmmmmmmmm.... |
Maris | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 01:29 pm     I have seen a lot more of Josh than Tonya. Only saw Tonya when they were in lockdown but mostly heard her. The camera wasnt on her very much. Josh seems to be interacting with the group outside and inside the house. |
Grannygrunt | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 01:34 pm     Jan that was my mistake. It is JOSH not Jason. Sorry about the confusion. I had to go back and read what I posted because I knew it was JOSH. Sorry if I mislead anyone. |
Pagal | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 01:38 pm     Maris made the comment that "Josh seems to be interacting with the group outside and inside the house" and she and others have noted that there has been very little cam action on Tonya - this leads me to wonder if the evictee knows they are leaving before the show is aired? Do you think BB tells them so they are prepared emotionally? I'm thinking back to Lori's exit - she didn't really show much emotion and her words were to the effect of "Very well then" and then she got up and headed out. I would have thought there would be some look of disappointment on her face. I'm rambling - sorry! |
Maris | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 01:42 pm     I think if you are living as closely as they have been for two weeks they must get some sense from body language and the way that the other HGs communicate with them. I have noticed a big change in Lisa in terms of her interracting with others in the house. Last night she was alone with Josh for a long time just talking and then she was in the HOH with just Amy for a long time. So Lisa seems to be separating herself from that girl clique that was so tight before the nominations and voting. I dont notice any of the other HGs engaging in the lighthearted repartee with Tonya that they were a few days ago yet not much seems to have changed in terms of their dealings with Josh. So it could just be that there is a sense which of course could be entirely wrong. It could be josh getting the boot. I am pretty sure BB would not tell them. |
Ms_Snoodle | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 01:55 pm     If tonight's show is live, how will the camera people know who has been evicted already? Have the hg's already gone to the DR and voted? |
Maris | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 01:57 pm     yes Ms, snoodle they voted yesterday. The announcement is live tonight on who will be evicted. |
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