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The ClubHouse: General Discussion Archives: Archive Two: Ok...... Can we all take a big deeeeep breath before the show? Please?: Archive through July 25, 2002

Ryn

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 03:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi all, I am a fan of BB as you all know, or if you didn't, well, I AM!! For the newer people I was just a regular ole member here during the 1st few weeks of BB I when the "admin" or "neil" asked me to help him keep the "live feeds" area that was developing in shape.

That being said (and sorry to bore some of you, you can wake up now), my frustration with parts of BB is growing very fast right now, I am not enjoying a lot of the 'show' but I also feel its much better than BB II in some ways (much more aliance chaging going on).

But I need to step back for a second and remember WHY I like BB, its not because I want to rag on the people in the house (ok - it is that - a little - but not a lot), its mainly because I like seeing the strategy, the backstabbing (not MEAN stuff, just the double crossing, making more promises than you can keep, etc).

I like seeing whats REALLY going on so I can compare that to whats going on on the TV show.

My reason for writing, and yes, I do have one and planned on getting to it eventually, is that there is a TON of bashing, complaiing, slaming, poking mean fun at, name-calling, digging for dirt, etc going on on the board.

Today, for me at least, it has not been a very fun place to be. And I am not trying to get a "things I love about this HG" threads going, I am just trying to get everyone to stop for a second and think "is this what I was looking forward to?"

I was looking forward to the fun stuff, the laughs.

I am not laughing about Tonya and her divorce, I am not laughing about Chiara and her prozac, and while it is good to talk about some of this stuff, sometimes it seems to go on and on and on.......

the Amy - Tonya thing - GREAT stuff, loved it.

The Shannon toothbrush thing last year - excellent!!

The shannon (wans't it shannon) involved in a car accident before BB and the other driver was killed so people attacked her for that - not great stuff.

The george accidently kills a friend in a hunting accident (and PLEASE don't use this as an excuse to revisit THAT nightmare) so a lot of people here were calling him 'muderer' constantly and other names I won't repeat - not great stuff.

so thats how I am feeling about the Chiara stuff, the Tonya stuff, and any other dirt that will be dug up on the Hgs - why do we find it so much fun to completely rip these people to shreds? Is that why we watch?

I know why I do (scrolll WAAAYYY back up where I said why), and I hope you watch and talk about it for a lot of the same reasons.

ok, hope this didn't come off as me being an ass, its just been a long day and the WORST night for the bashing and bitching is the night of evictions and I am dreading it.

take care and thanks for reading :)

Maris

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 03:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryn I think you should spend some time in the what does Big Brother mean thread. That might lighten your mood.

Ryn

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 03:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
maris - I have no choice - I have to read these threads.

and my mood is not nearly as bad as some of the member's here seem to be - but thanks for the input :)

Zachsmom

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 03:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said Ryn..you put thing in perspective..I promise I will make a conscious effort to reread my posts before actually posting..and ask myself "Is this what I was looking forward to"..

Thanks Ryn!!

Iceprincess

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 03:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to agree Ryn and I understand where you are coming from. I think perhaps because all this group talks about is sex sex and more sex, there really is nothing much to talk about so we dig dig and dig. The only reason I posted the house info is becuase she (T) kept going on and on about the house and I know where it is and what the market is like there. Unfoirtunately she is just a talker which is all I was trying to point out by my post. If it is construed as basing I apologize, but I learned 1 thing from it. My divorce in Vegas is also posted on the net, glad I have never gotten into trouble! ;)

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 03:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryn....you are a long way from being an "ass" in any sense of the word....you are one of the most well balanced posters here!

I agree with what you said. I will admit that I have gotten angry at particular HG statements or actions and gone off on a vicious rant at times, but I really am trying not to do that as much. (unless I happen to come up with a brilliantly worded remark that may garner a few chuckles! LOL)

The strategies are great. Root for Hg and yell at the tv....but I agree that someone's genuine misfortune (George's hunting accident, Shannon's accident that resulted in the death of a man) is just sad....

Ryn

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 03:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ice - I was not thinking of any member in particular when I made my post, I usually don't even look at who started threads or who says what, I am skim reading and unless something hits a chord I can't tell you who writes what.

Ryn

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 03:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
thanks guys - just had to vent a lil ;) and maybe get all of us thinking a bit before we hit enter on any particularly nasty posts :)

Bmh

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 03:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually agree with you Ryn..when I first came here I enjoyed how much you guys loved BB and how everybody had in-depth conversations about all sorts of topics having to do with BB and all the hg's but recently I have become a little disappointed with all the bashing of not just the hg's but the show in general..I still post frequently and I still enjoy some threads but there has been alot of negative things said..I hope we can be more positive..because it will be more inviting to all of us

Lobster

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Great post, Ryn!

Iceprincess

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 03:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh I understand Ryn, wasn't saying I was being singled out or anything but I did feel bad about my post after doing it is all I am saying.

And I also feel bad because of all the negative posts out there. It is odd, this group just seems to strike a cord with everyone. I am looking forward to seeing who is evicted tonite, it would be an interesting turn of events if indeed it is Tonya. That could lead to a bunch of interesting events with Josh in the house. Especially with HOH and VETO etc. :)

Wcv63

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 03:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's so easy to get caught up in the passion of the moment and say something you may later regret. It's happened to me many a time and I live and die by the credo of self-moderation.

I too find it helpful to sit back, take a deep breath, and remember that my agenda for watching and posting is to have fun.

As SanFranJoshFan(BB1 of course!) said in another thread, I watch to be shocked, entertained, amused and titillated. Titillation has taken the forefront in that race but on the bright side I'm learning more about base running and other such subjects!

C1mag

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 03:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok... So who do you think is going this week? :)

P.S. I agree about the personal stuff. I usually just scroll past it. It kinda bores me, but the Chiara melt down is an interesting retreat when Marci and Amy aren't trashing the other housegusts. ( I'm a sick bast..d becuase I can't get enough of these two LOL) but I do agree about leaving the personal stuff alone. I feel anything else that happens in the house is fair game.

Maryann

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 03:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryn:
I know what you mean, the Tonya divorce thing sickened me, I read it, I made my comments and I found the comments of the other posters to be very interesting but it hurt me to my heart because she's a human being and one that I think is in serious emotional pain, however, I would not silence anyone who thinks differently because
folks feel passionate about different things.
I don't think that I come here for "FUN"..I come here because people and the way that they think fascinate me. I will admit that I was glad that a number of folks were grossed out by all the sex talk because I was feeling like a prude but I don't always come here for validation.
I pretty much concur with your GOOD VS BAD feelings on certain subjects.
Today on another board a person called me the "K" word..and believe it or not, that's why I like the internet, I want to know and always remember that there are people like that out there IRL folks have too much of a cover, here, they become more real.
BTW-I'm not Jewish, so the person was wrong along with being IMO stupid.

Snee

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ryn, you're not an ass, but i heard a rumour from lanzee that you were nekkid in another thread. just sayin...*wink*

Maryann

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OOPS!
I forgot to say thank you for the work you do on this site, it's an excellent site!

Ark

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I kind of agree with you Ryn. I didn't like it, in previous BBs, when things were brought up on the board the the HGs didn't reveal themselves (i.e. George's accident, Krista's brother). When the HGs bring up personal things themselves though, it seems to me that they don't mind if the whole county knows about it. Otherwise, why would they talk about it knowing the situation they're in. I would love to get back to the game and just talk about so and so's strategy but these people give us a couple of minutes of strategy talk and then we suddenly flip to sex, exs & body functions. If that's what they're giving us, that's what there is to talk about.

Inkydinkyspider

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryn: We are like the houseguests....no better no worse...we may say things that seem insulting but if any of us actually met the houseguests we would be very nice to them....this is just a way of venting, joking or just being total asses....we (I) really do not mean any harm and I truly enjoy all the good and bad stuff being said on this site...

it's like chewing on a chicken leg...the sweeter the meat the closer the bone...we leave this site feeling full, satisfied and anxious for our return visit...which is the only tip I'm going to leave at this table...hehehe

Sbw

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay I have taken that deep breath, can I let it out now..... I am turning BLUE!

Hey tonight should be interesting, if you have read the few feeds available for today... Jason has made a mistake he is going to tell some people about tonight and I "think" it was about the voting.... was he supposed to vote for Josh or Tonya????

Personal stuff - hey unless these people are moving into my neighborhood I am not going to worry.... hmmm could liven up the neighborhood though, then I could get a set of binoculars and watch them 24/7/365. But alas I live in the country in the middle of nowhere, but I bet there are skeletons in the closets of people who live close to me, people that I like/love and get along with and would hate to see them hurt in this way. These people are here for our entertainment, not as "punching bags".

<breathing out now, I don't care what Ryn says>

Marcieb

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the wake-up call, Ryn. I've so enjoyed your posts and often wondered who you are and how you got this gig.

That said, I enjoy coming here because my husband and I LOVE reality shows and NONE of our friends and family do. We get sick of one another's limited opinions so all of you are taking the place of those I'd love to argue with face-to-face but can't (because they won't). I'm amazed at how many emotions these people--both in the house and at TVCH--stir up in me. BB adds something to my life: commonality, humanity, glitz, pathos, laughter, thought-provoking interaction....on and on it goes.

Thanks for doing all you do for us. I hope you keep enjoying BB a long time!

Mystery

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As I recall, the most vitriolic posts concerning George's accidental shooting of a man arose after George used ketchup to simulate gunshot wounds after his nomination. His actions seemed to me to cross the line between what happens inside and outside the house.

However, thanks, Ryn, for all the work you do and for the timely reminder that we should remember the reasons why we do like this show.

Scorpiomoon

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"so thats how I am feeling about the Chiara stuff, the Tonya stuff, and any other dirt that will be dug up on the Hgs - why do we find it so much fun to completely rip these people to shreds? Is that why we watch?"

It's not so much that is "fun" per se, what I find compelling is listening to, and watching, the hgs try and portray themselves one way when, on the outside, evidence surfaces that shows different.

Tonya is a prime example. During the snippets of bitter venting she has done about her divorce, she portrays herself as a victim. Yet the divorce documents clearly show there is much more than what she is willing to reveal.

Same thing with Chiara. She judges us Internet viewers yet here is a young woman who is in no position to pass judgment because she is just as flawed as all of us.

I do agree with what you said, Ryn. My point is, there is some benefit to the "dirt".

Of course taking the bashing to an extreme is uncalled for and unnecessary.

Maris

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Ark. What is the expression about the lowest common denominator. When you have people talking about every dirty aspect of their lives it is hard to say well we wont talk about that.

This years BB crowd seems to have little respect for anything including themselves. When the game is put on the level of toying with people, sexually exploiting people its hard to say well lets keep it clean on the boards. As a poster I accept being moderated for using a phrase that is used every ten minutes on the feeds but by the same token, you have to expect that the boards are going to reflect the game. I dont feel I have gone over the top but have I bashed HGs yes. Call it bashing, call it opining, you cant expect people to only talk about their nice feelings towards HGs.

This is a great site to discuss the game and I enjoy it as much as I enjoy the CBS chatroom, but if the subject matter is too bothersome then maybe The clubhouse should limit its BB involvement to only discussing the show and not the feeds. It would be a shame but I dont know how much you can expect people to limit themselves. Sooner or later people will get tired of being lectured. Why not just keep moderating. We do get the daily bump on what you can talk about in chat and not talk about.

I want to add that you guys do a great job and there is a great collection of posters on this board who feel very passionately about their favorite hamsters and then forget about them in september. This is like summer camp for grown ups. Wait a minute. someone said that, who was it??????

Mygetaway

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
{{{Ryn}}},
I don't envy your "job" at all.
Thanks for all your hard work....
We appreciate it, and all the other mods too...
(007, 14, Lance, Gail, Admin, etc..al)

Vinnyinla

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Ryan for your intelligent and sensitive post!
I come here to read the witty and funny comments about BB. Many of the posters are excellent writers. I think of the Live Feed and Bunny's summaries as "my fun summer novel"
As far as BB3, I think of it as a learning and coaching experience. How would I react to Josh? Would I be best friends with Marcellas? Would I do that ? Am I better than that?
Don't mean to sound like Dr.Phil , but that is where you can get some substance from this real life novel....and thank you for your good work!