Archive through July 25, 2002
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Ok...... Can we all take a big deeeeep breath before the show? Please?:
Archive through July 25, 2002
Reader234 | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:24 pm     ...thanks... that needed to be said, and because you can say it, and those that post in this thread, I just wanted you to know its one of the reasons why I love this site!! AND maybe that's why it was so hard to find...again! FYI I couldnt find it on sirlinksalot, or jokers, those are easy hits, but this site is worth searching for, I enjoy the tone of the site, and the reasonable requests, and moderations!! |
Grannygrunt | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:30 pm     Ryn, I have to say I think you do an excellant job. There have been times that I was moderated on the LFP's, but upon refection I realize it was justified. I called one of the houseguest a nickname that I see posted on discussions all the time. And someone called me on it. And rightly so. I apologized and said I hoped there were no hard feelings and have tried diligently not to do it again. Sometimes we just need to be reminded (which is what I think you did) that sometimes we get out of line. On another feed several days (or maybe weeks now) ago I ranted about giving up the feeds etc. because I was sick to death of all the sex talk and the gross discussions they were having. But Lurknomore made me realize that some people don't get the feeds and this is their way of keeping up. So now if the talk gets to be to much, I just change cams and if I can't find anyone having a decent convo then I cut it off and come back later. I just keep reminding myself that I am an adult woman and should act like one, not a fifteen year old at a slumber party talking about all the other girls at school. Thanks for being gutsy enough to say what you thought. I really appreaciate it. |
Inkydinkyspider | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:33 pm     if this keeps up the thread will have to be changed to "Ryn's love fest!" lol |
Abby7 | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:36 pm     geez, why are you being so serious. just watch the show and enjoy it or not. read the messages, some not all. just enjoy or not and don't over-analyze "us" or the show too much. that's JMO! it's just a tv show that some of us are enjoying some of the time, not all of the time. |
Sbw | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:39 pm     Inky... I am sure Ryn could do that too - don't give him any ideas! |
Marysafan | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:39 pm     Ryn...I have always considered you to be the voice of reason. It is so easy to get caught up in the moment. Thank goodness we have you around to keep us grounded. That's why I have been here for so long and consider this place my home on the net. Thanks for all you and the other moderaters do to keep us on track. |
Inkydinkyspider | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:41 pm     See Ryn...you started this thread and now you have a whole lot more reading to do...you must be a bugger for punishment...lol |
Maryann | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:41 pm     I think that the majority of posters actually do say what they think, and since we have a "serious" website and we seldom "moderate" people I would have to see what moderated to discover whether or not it was a reasonable action or not. I figured that Ryn was just blowing off steam, not trying to change the way that folks post.What's wrong with acting like a fifteen year old at a slumber party,Granny!? I think that sites like this provide the necessary comic relief to a world where we might be invading Iraq at any moment, where the Unemployment in my state is at five percent, where little girls all across the country are being abducted and so on and so forth! |
Squaredsc | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:51 pm     great post ryn, im taking a deep breath now, and not 'cause my nose is stopped up. i think we can be positive or negative just 'cause we are humans and its our nature. and we have to take the good with the bad. unfortunately with this group, its a lot of bad. but watching the cattiness and bi**ness reminds me of the roman coliseums, its the bloodlust in us. not wrong or right, just is. and thanks again for all that you do. |
Moderator | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:53 pm     <It would be a shame but I dont know how much you can expect people to limit themselves. Sooner or later people will get tired of being lectured. Why not just keep moderating. We do get the daily bump on what you can talk about in chat and not talk about. > Maris, I think this statement is at the heart of many frustrations of late. I expect that people can always limit themselves. The rules of this board are very clear that bashing of houseguests is simply not allowed. Yes, we will keep moderating, but there is a point where if anyone continues to violate the rules, their membership will be revoke -- no questions asked. It is not our responsibility to ensure that grown adults can follow rules. Somehow (and call me crazy), we expect that people can do it themselves. You are absolutely right...people will eventually get tired of being lectured. I wish that some people didn't have to be reminded of the rules, but it seems that some do. This isn't meant to be as harsh at it will likely sound, but understand that it is not fun to run around behind adults and moderate when it is clear that they are violating the rules of this board on purpose and with blatant disregard for the guidelines. Once or even twice calling someone a "sl*t" is possibly an accident (maybe they didn't read the VERY clear email that they received when they signed up for membership), but when every single post is a direct personal slam, an attack on a houseguest's career, religion, or family members, (and even attacks on other posters) it is a big problem. It sounds to me like Ryn is simply asking everyone to stop and think before posting. I'm gonna add to it and ask that people please abide by the rules of the Big Brother Fan Club (not the Bash Big Brother 3 Club -- there are plenty of sites for that out there). (14) |
Bbwatcher | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 04:56 pm     Cool Ryn. Thanks. Like you said - let's keep it in the house. There's plenty of dirt there. By the way, I recently looked at your profile and you are a doll. I think you are married though so take that with a grain of salt. Seriously, I appreciate this thread. Thanks a million! |
Abby7 | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 05:08 pm     so eventually everyone on this site will post alike and think alike. talk about controlling! |
Spygirl | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 05:21 pm     Awww...sarcasm Abby, what I hear that is being said is to express opinions and personal views, but just leave the personal attacks and hatred at home. This IS a fan club. Just my view. |
Maryann | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 06:03 pm     Abby,I hear you,but this is not the only site for BB postings and some are not censored at all. I have to say that this is the best that I have found for the Live Feeds and it's a free website so you could just read here and comment elsewhere. You may be too much of a Free Spirit and Independent Thinker to be around folks that don't mind being moderated. |
Wargod | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 06:10 pm     No one said we had to think alike......just that we don't have to bash people to get our points across. We're all here to have fun, talk about the hg's we like or love to hate, and I don't think it's too hard to do that without bashing them or each other for having our own opinions. Anyways, I think it was Ryn (and if not, sorry to whoever it was that I don't remeber!) who said to think before you hit post...I think that's good advice. Ryn and all moderators, thank you. |
Moderator | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 07:36 pm     Reminder: Complaining and whining about moderation is against the rules of this board. There are plenty of unmoderated boards out there; and this isn't one of them. We don't remove items based on *what* opinions are expressed, but on *how* those opinions are expressed. Sometimes posts get moderated that you think shouldn't, and sometimes we miss posts that should get moderated. We're human, we're unpaid volunteers, and we do the best we can. We do appreciate those of you who appreciate the fact that this board IS moderated; and all the work we put into it. (K) |
Crossfire | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 07:44 pm     Interesting, I got my post removed for defending you. I support your efforts to keep me and others in line, but I must say, it often sounds like you guys just hate the job like it is some kind of self inflicted wound. Once again, and as always, thanks for the work. |
Moderator | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 07:46 pm     Cross- your post was removed because the post it referred to was removed. Once the original post was gone, your post no longer made sense. That's the one and only reason it's gone. It's not that we hate our jobs, it's just that like anyone else, we hate being unjustly accused, especially when we put in hours and hours to try to make this board a great place to hang out. Thanks for your appreciation. |
Inkydinkyspider | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 07:48 pm     my Big Brother is watching us comment was removed also....I didn't say there was anything wrong with having Moderators....I meant it is like getting the FOTH in here....I have no problem with censorship when it is warranted...and sometimes it is (but don't forget that censorship is subjective) |
Crossfire | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 07:50 pm     Right....that makes sense. Lost its context. Carry on. |
Lurknomore | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 09:09 pm     Ok, I started typing this several times and I just KNOW I should keep my mouth/fingers shut but I gotta say something and I hope it will be taken with the respect it is written. For 3 years I have been addicted to Big Brother. The first season, which I regretfully lurked here through, I genuinely liked a lot of the HG's. And Curtis will forever remain on my personal BB Hall of Fame Pedestal of Love and Respect. Last year I eagerly awaited BB, and more folks to like. They made it really tough by who they choose to be in the house. This year there are a few really fun people (and I was the first to cheer Marcellas on), but some really contemptible people. My point to the Mods is in spite of my sincere and heartfelt desire to mostly have positive posts, we can only work with what we have been given. I'm supposed to find positive things to say about someone like Josh who says in the DR that he faked any tears to mess with people? Self absorbed and egotistical Chiara who is out on DUI charges when my boyfriend was killed by a guy DUI? Even Jason who I sincerely like who never seems to say ANYTHING so what am I to comment on. I love this board and the folks that post here. I honestly respect the job the mods do and am grateful for this place to go to. Most of my fun BB3 moments have been spent here. It's been the best part of the show. But given what we have to work with, and what they choose to show us, I think it's almost an impossibility to have primarily positive posts. And truthfully I think that is what Arnie is trying to do. He wants a real life soap opera with all it's villains and story lines. Just wanted to put this up as food for thought. I agree the bashing can be toned down, but I'm not sure there is enough to work with in the house to have the positive posts I am getting the impression you guys would like. Truthfully I'd like them too...but I think we'd need a new set of HG's |
Lancecrossfire | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 11:04 pm     I went back up and read Ryn's post thaht started this whole thing. He didn't make any comments about thinking alike. He also didn't make comments about having to hvae mostly positive posts (he even said the tooth brush thing Shannon did last year was excellent--and it was very negative in nature). What I heard him say was that there is getting to be a lot more bashing. A person can do something that is stupid to do without being a stupid prson. The act is stupid, not the person. It's been said more than once that it's ok to say someone is acting like a jerk--it's just not ok to say they are a jerk. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Tonya's divorce has nothing to do with her playing the game. Chiara's DUI has nothing to do with the game of BB. If they comment on it, yes, it becomes part of the game, but certainly not a bigger part than the actual game itself. And that was something else Ryn mentioned--that these types of topics and number of posts far outweigh the posts about strategies, manipulations, alliances, changes in those topics, voting. etc--those things that make BB special. No one is asking not to disagree or not to talk about something that is negative. It's about doing so without attacking a person. Attack an issue, not a HG or poster. Most everyone is doing that actually. It just takes a few not willing to do it, and it gets to be a mess. I provide these thoughts first as a user of the board. I also provide them as a moderator. Each moderator is a member (user) of this board. As members, we each have a responsiblity to follow the rules. As moderators, we take on the task of being there when someone doesn't feel like doing so. It's not about a power trip, or a special badge. As a matter of fact taking it that way is the surest way ( not exclusive) of making sure a person isn't a moderator. I love a good discussion between people with differeing views--about BB or any of the oter topics on the board. And sometimes (well a lot of times so far with this BB) the issues can be negative and not too pretty. But I'd much rther talk about why someone will vote to evict person x than the farting person x does. (well, at least once their farts as discussed in 50 posts) |
Lurknomore | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 11:44 pm     Lance, you'll notice my post was not directed at Ryn. It mostly was in response to the other Mods, their tone (which I think said even more than their words) and maybe a pinch of what Ryn said. I raised a point. I think a fair one. I've tried to listen to all viewpoints here...even ones I don't agree with in this thread and many others. I'd appreciate those reading mine with the same open mind. There is one thing you wrote Lance that I take strong exception to. Perhaps to you Chiara's DUI isn't an important part of the game. To someone who's life was ruined by this, I take it quite differently. And if you followed the thread about it, I think there were many intelligent viewpoints and people sharing deeply personal experiences (I still want to hug Eura). Maybe I'm missing something but I have hardly seen the types of personal attacks you seem to be referring to here. Lord knows I've been here a lot and read most of the posts. One of the few times I recall it happening was directed at me by some obnoxious skeptic when we were discussing Roddy's hatred of John Edward and disbelief of life after death. I didn't join the fight, or get upset at the nasty things that poster said to me. I kept my cool and nicely told him I wouldn't get into the fight he wanted. And that is pretty much what I've seen across the board this year. So I guess I don't see the problem you referrenced. All this said, I think I very politely raised some valid points. I'd appreciate them being heard not just refuted. Thanks. |
Ryn | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 11:45 pm     psst - this was not meant to become a 'discuss group think' or 'moderators and what they should-should not do' thread - nor a 'we love you ryn' thread. This was a "i am tired of all the negative stuff, all the bashing, and I am gonna vent a little" thread. I was just asking anyone that read this thread to think about what they wanted out of BB a month ago before the show, and if this is what they expected, if so - super for you - if not - then maybe take a deep breath (funny jokes guys - you can all exhale now) and see if you can get back on the 'have a good time discussing the Hgs and the gameplay.' I really thought about not posting in here again and hope the thread kinda dissapeared but I have a feeling it will be around for a little bit so I am re-chiming in. Since it was brought up, I will say this about 'moderating' - and I'm not gonna debate it, god knows I spent waaay to much time doing that last year. We do the best we can. Heck today I accidently 'banned' a user when I thought they were making up live feeds - turned out they weren't the HGs were just really being nasty (imho). That would have been the FIRST member removed since the show started, and we have over 1600 members now so we are doing really good. The user I banned got a big apology from me and the account is back working. So we make mistakes too and sometimes jump to fast, but when you are dealing with something like 1000+ posts a day things will go wrong. If you feel you are restricted in what you can say here, then hey, vent on a non-moderated board, there are several out there. We have been a moderated board since the day Neil fired this puppy up and things aren't gonna change. Heck, we have friends and family of several House Guests posting and reading here and one of the reasons is that we are a fairly mature and respectful group (compared to some other sites). Bottom line as I stated in my initial post, I am a FAN of the show, come the end of BB I get very quiet around here, this show is why I am here, I like to know what I am missing on the live feeds, I like to express my opinions, and read others opinions. What I don't like it so be called names - thats why I don't post elsewhere. Back when Neil started this site there was (and still is in some form) a place called bigbrothersucks - and they made all kinds of fun of this site because we were fans and liked they show (their site was all about bashing every possible angle of BB) - I figgure we are still here so we must still be doing something right. hmmm - and this was going to be short.... ok - I'm done, I am not looking for pats on the back, treat me like any other member here. and please don't think I (or any other moderator) does not appreciate differing opinions, the major thing is that we all respect each others opinions even if you think some of the people here are completely batty for being a fan of ______ (insert HG name here). The only time it becomes a problem is when people start insulting other members or ripping the HGs to bits (yes - even if they haven't given us much to work with this year). thanks |
Lancecrossfire | Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 11:58 pm     Lurker, my post was not dircted at you personally--it was an "overall perspective" of what's happened since the show started. I do not at all dispute the importance issues such as drunk driving may have on people--I think we see it in posts everyday that a number of life's situations ahve affected someone drastically--be it good or bad. I have been involved in some of those conversations. My comments such topics related only to the game of BB and how things that are actually outside of the game (and should be posted outside of the game) are taking over the game. I think thread in the general discussion area (non-BB) are every bi--no, make that more important than the talks we have about BB. We do BB for fun--many of the topics you emntion are done in a serious and supportive way with our fellow posters. It is actually those topics which keep us a strong community between BB shows. I apologize if I made anyone feel singled out--that was not the meaning of my ramblings. |
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