Its a game..it's a game..it's a friggen GAME folks...gawwwwwwwwddddd
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Whit4you

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 09:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Classy - I'll be going to Medical lake wanna join me? LOL We could have some fun and NOT make friends .......>>:)

Whit4you

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Look realisitcally to you "friends" maker peeps...


Soomeone hands you the profiles of these 12 house guest and says... you have two choices

you can become friends with say....4 of these people or you can have 500 grand...

WHICH would you choose and why?

I guess maybe some people have a hard time making friends .. I know my son does..strnagely enough he HAS no "real" friends (drinking buddies...that's about it) so maybe they can't relate to this thread at all but for me personally.... I don't NEED to go on a game show to win 500 grand to make friends.... I have needed to AVOID making friends for many years now because I can't handle havign to many friends.

Maybe what they really need is a Weakest link/ dog eat dog BB and a "Lets make a friend BB" that'd take care of everyuone's needs... may the best friend win in the later game.. in that game I'd have NO problem winning LOL.... :)

What555456

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 09:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit

I almost started a post similar to this today, but aimed more at the posters here.

What I don't understand is how any of us posters can assume we know anything about any of these people -- we know what we see, nothing more. And that is only what these people choose to reveal about themselves and what is shown to us on the live feeds and TV.

My thought of posting along these lines came after I read the reams of posts about Marcellas and Danielle yesterday and today. What I saw going on was two people playing a game, doing whatever they have to do to win this thing. But if one had no idea what was going on, one would think from the posts that Danielle is the devil incarnate and Marcellas is a naive saint.

For some reason, we posters seem to forget that these are NOT normal people. Normal people do not agree to go on TV and/or the Net 24/7 for three months knowing that the only way to win this is to commit virtually all of the seven capital sins. To do so in NOT a rational decision -- especially for such a minimal amount of money. And $500,000, cut in half by taxes, is NOT a lot of money.

I watch all of this and see the people in the house using each other as they need to solely to either survive or win, becoming emotionally attached to each other solely to either survive or win, and turning on anyone they need to turn on when they need to solely to survive or win.

And yet, we posters seem to think that these are deep, lasting, important friendships. They are not. They are friendships and enmities which have no other purpose than to help the people make it through this game -- and hopefully, from their standpoint, to get rid of all of their "friends" for the purpose of fame and fortune. That is all they are.

We as posters have to let go here, stand back, and simply enjoy the turmoil these people have put themselves in -- and not assume that they are there to live moral lives. They knew when they went in that this is a show based on immorality, a show that being part of is inherently immoral inasmuch as it is based on greed and vanity -- and not a small touch of arrogant pride.

For us to sit here and literally come to hate someone because we think they are being unfair or immoral to their "friends" seems to me to lose our grip on reality. Or to come to love someone because we feel they are somehow "nicer" than the others is also to lose our grip on reality. These people are there fore one purpose only--to eliminate all of their competition in whatever way they have to. It is, inherently, a cut throat and very nasty game -- played by ALL of them, no matter how they come across as good or bad people. Deep down they are all out to get all of the others -- whether they profess to be friends or not.

These people are not friends in the classic sense of the word. They are not here to act morally. They are here solely for their entertainment value -- and all knew going in that they would have to break any basic moral values they may have had if they intended to win. And they were willing to do this -- break their moral standards, simply for money and/or fame. No truly moral person would do that. None of these people are inherently moral. They all chose to get on this show knowng they would not act morally.

How many of you would be willing to do the same? How many of you would be willing to put yourself in a situation where to succeed, you knew you had to act immorally. I would not. I doubt many people on here, for whom morality truly means something, would either.

We need to recognize the inherent immorality of even being on this show and hence of each one of these people. We need to recognize that each and every one of these people will treat the others in whatever way furthers their own self-serving goals and that the very idea of playing fair and being moral is inimicable to the decisions these people made to be on this show. And each will turn on their "friends" and will throw fairness and morality out the window if it will save their a** for one more week

Let's get real, people.

Karuuna

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 09:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, as I recall, some of the BB2 housemates ARE still friends. <shrugs shoulders>

What555456

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 09:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Friends, or just acquaintances who shared something for a short while, and stay in touch?

And don't go by the interviews you've heard. They are all part of CBS's PR machine. TV is a crass business which makes money by writing great stories and great scripts to manipulate people's thoughts and emotions. The interviews we hear, the entertainment stories we read, are just part of this.

The question is -- how man of BB2 people are true friends today. And how many are just playing the PR game?

If you don't know the answer because the only information you have is from CBS's PR machine, than you can't make the statement they are friends today.

Kathyb

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 09:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't imagine what it must be like to be
stuck in that house 24/7, cut off from everything
and everyone familiar and comfortable, and feel a constant strain to get along with everyone. If you act as though you don't care about any of the
housemates, won't you be out fairly quickly?

Katrina

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Some people are much more self-contained (or able to be as circumstances favor it) than others. For the most part, they cast against that personality trait on these shows, because a show full of dignified, centered, calm, patient people does not make for three lively months of highly rated TV shows. Like Cassandra, from BB1. Wonderful woman, maintained her poise just fine throughout, gave us some sweetly amusing moments, but never provided much drama for the producer plot-makers to work with.

When they cast most of these shows, the producers are looking for people who they think will *need* to become emotionally involved with the others. And that's who we've got this year.

Dipo

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What555... too true, I love these shows and friends have said to me, why do you go on one, I am like, are you kidding, I would never do that. For some reason they don't understand.

Liddiebug

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 09:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit...your original post would make a GREAT "Diary Room" confession!

I agree with you 100%, and have the bang marks on my forhead to prove it...LOL.

Donut

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 10:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i miss Ethan.....
he was ethical, philanthropic, good-hearted, and knew how to make friends AND a million dollars!:)

Crossfire

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 10:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit, What, and a couple of other.

Bravo. I wish I had penned those missives.

Beautiful, not willing to change a single word.

Wcv63

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 10:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sure we don't know them. Certainly we are only seeing what they show us. Of course it takes a different kind of person to go on this kind of reality show.

What in the world would we talk about on this "message board" dedicated to Big Brother if we didn't dissect the strategies, the personalities, the events, the decisions?

We can only talk about the events and people as we perceive them.

Classycassfan

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 10:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit I am on my way be there in about 2 hours... but I WILL NOT share my PB&J with you matter what and you better wash your hands when you use the bathroom >>>>>> lol :)

Snee

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 10:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
whit, sanfran, wcv and others: i agree with the main things you've been saying. i think it's amusing when the hamsters start to bond (or think they're bonding) and talk about being there for the beautiful experience (sigh, my own fave marce said something like that). IT'S THE MONEY, PEOPLE! THE MONEY! it's really interesting that it has turned out like this every year so far with many of the 'contestants'. i think it has some elements of the things sanfran has brought up, as well as wanting to present themselves to the others as a 'good person'.

as far as posters go, i can really understand why people (me included) can't stand josh. to me he has crossed the line with his hateful behaviour...like boogie bringing kent's kids into it last year and shannon with the toothbrush. however, i thought it was a little over the top when people pounced on dani last night. as i posted then, i think she is playing exactly like she said she would: 'smooth as silk; sly as a snake(fox?)' i think lying and manipulating and breaking alliances, etc. is all perfectly fine in this game...because it's a game.

that said, i sure had my share of harsh feelings last year!

Snee

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 10:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
p.s. nice to snee you whit!

Spunky

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 10:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I still don't know who was screaming outside "I have had it, I have had it!!!" during the last tv show.. the camera was on two hgs whispering inside the house...

Muse

Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 10:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eh, posting long message just to say that I agree with Wcv63. Editing to leave it at that.

What555456

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 07:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"as far as posters go, i can really understand why people (me included) can't stand josh. to me he has crossed the line with his hateful behaviour"

Snee, how can anyone cross a line in this show? Why is his choice of how to play this game any better/worse than anyone else's? They all manipulate, lie, gossip, attack, support, or whatever else they need to do.

Please explain why you think Josh's behavior is worse than say....Marcellas thinking out loud of eliminating Gerry after Gerry backed him up, or Dani's desire to manipulate Marcellas to get out who she wants, or the women who are using their bodies to stay in the game, or the men who are playing on the women's emotions?

Are any of them really treating the others with anything but cold calculation about how to get a leg up on all of their opponents? Do you believe there is even one in that house who would not change their alliances or friends or commitments just for the cash and the assumed fame they all think they will get?

I see all of them as basically unsavory indivduals, devoid of any true values or morals. Why do you think Josh is worse than the rest?

Crossfire

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If I may jump in, as far as in the game is concerned, I think ANYTHING goes.

If Josh has crossed the line at any point, it would be when he made some comments that I am not clear on, but something to the effect that G will 'get it' outside the house.

That is where I draw the line. Other than that, he is providing frictive© entertainment.

What555456

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 07:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"What in the world would we talk about on this "message board" dedicated to Big Brother if we didn't dissect the strategies, the personalities, the events, the decisions?"

I agree with this -- it is what makes the show interesting.

What I don't understand are those posters who come to the conclusion that one HG is morally superior or a better friend or a nicer person or anything of that sort. It makes no sense to me since we all know why these people are here and what each of them knew and agreed to what they would have to do to play the game.

To me, the way each is playing the game is very interesting and worth commenting on. But to come to any sort of conclusion that one is a better human being than another makes no sense -- they all represent the dark side of humanity, not our better angels.

Sonia

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 07:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What555, I 100% agree with you. I don't like Josh, but I also think his behavior isn't worst than many others hgs'one. About him, it always look more ugly and shoking because of his bad manners, voice, moving, etc. He has a very "bad guy" look, so true, but all his behavior so horrible and disruptive, and the others hgs so nice and right? Hum...

Squaredsc

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
whit and what, great posts, snee also. i don't think any one person is "morally" superior, i guess it comes down to what you will or won't do for $500k or $1mill. and no they aren't your friends, buddies, or pals, but you are stuck with each other and should make the best of it(not sexually of course, i mean come one, you don't know where and with who these people have been with). but for me its, show me the money.

Twiggyish

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Josh is more vocal. He brings attention to himself. It doesn't excuse his obnoxious behavior, but might explain why we focus on him.

Why ask why? Analyzing and speculating are half the fun of the show! We know it's a game. So what, if we have a villain! Josh and others like him, knew what they were doing when they chose to go into the house!

By the way, good to see you back Whit!!

Whit4you

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 05:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh is the "love to hate" person this year... I want him OUTTA there but honestly... I don't cause well ..without him it wouldnt be as fun. It's a little DIFFERENT then Will.. I wanted him OUTTA there and grew to love him.. I swear to friggen GAWD I won't ever grow to love Josh.. ya I suppose I woulda said that 5 weeks into last years BB about Will..but at LEAST Will was semi attractive..uh well I didn't think Wll was semi attractive till I grew to luv him hahaha whatever.. honestly I can't stand Josh so much that I doubt I'd ever ADMIT I like him even if some how some way (gag saying this) he turned into another Will in the end...LOL


Bottom line is - Josh will prolly be staying in this week.....and next...and gawd help us all... he could win this friggen game cause everyone...wants to keep him in cause he's the least liked..does this sound FAMILIAR???

ACK!

Whit

Cameltoes

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 06:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Snee... Josh crossed the line in my book. It's not fun to hate him like with Will. His calling Gerry a Nazi was it for me. He is irredeemable. I do think this game can be played with some degree of decency. I don't think I hold the HG's to absurdly high standards. Josh simply takes things too far. I can find thinks to like about everyone else in there even my least favorites houseguests. I can't even watch him on the feeds he turns my stomach so much. He is truly despicable.

Texastillie

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Perfectly said, Whit!

Will was obviously attractive, intelligent and most of all - hilarious.

Mr. "Jason wants to be like me" is utterly repulsive to watch. He is exactly opposite of Will. Josh is getting a lot of sympathy just because he is so uncommonly loathsome.

I know it's only a game but I love Will and I cannot stand Josh!

Furry

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 06:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cameltoes- You break my heart. I believe everyone has a positive side, even when it may be initially hard to find. I agree that we do not know these HGs from the amount of exposure we have had to them. Josh has a big heart and is very generous and giving. This game is obviously not bringing this side of him to light, possibly because he feels it would be disadvantageous to his strategy.

I am assuming that the other HGs are the same. No one is two dimensional and paper thin. We all develop different walls and ways we deal with adversity in our lives. It is one thing to rag on these HGs in the context of the show. It is another to make blanket statements about someone's character that we've never spoken a word to in our lives.

I know...this is not the time or the place. But I love my friend Josh, and I can't help but get defensive when I hear such judgmental things being said about him. I'm sure that all of the HGs would surprise us if we had the opportunity to meet them and get to know them in person.

I understand where you are coming from in your opinion of him, but I guess I'm just begging you to look beyond the surface and try to see him as a person, not a pawn.

(Did I go overboard there? No offense meant.)

Loriwillwin

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 06:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What was so attractive about Will was his unflagging self-confidence (arrogance, if you will). He allowed himself to be nominated week after week with no doubt whatsoever that he'd prevail in the end. Josh doesn't have any self-confidence! He's the very embodiment of low self-esteem. It's too bad, because I suspect that Josh may have a better heart than the "evil doctor." I can easily imagine Josh and Merritt being old married people someday. I don't anticipate the same fate for Will and Shannon.

Cameltoes

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Furry... I can only judge anyone in the house based on what they are putting out there. I am glad he is different in real life conditions. My opinion is only in the context of his actions in this game. When I say "Josh", I don't mean the person his friends and family know, I mean the Josh that's playing the game in the way he chooses. I assume they are all "characters" to some extent and love some of them and hate some of them and my feelings change constantly. That's all... I really don't mean anything I say as an attack on their real world personalities.

Car54

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 07:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh is our "Guido". On The Amazing Race, all the teams in the first race were sooooooo likeable, except the Guidos...we all had more fun hating the Guidos, and about 3/4th of the way through I realized that hating the Guidos really made the show for me! I felt the same way about Boston Rob on the last Survivor. He made the show a lot more fun to watch.

I totally don't hate Josh, I just want him to shut up a bit. His machinations are very entertaining! He is definitely a Guido.

Furry

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 07:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I suppose I knew that Cameltoes, but it's like hearing someone talk about your brother. (Which he is not to me, but you get the gist.) I can't help but get a little flared up. I promise to keep myself in check, and realize that my comments are in defense of Josh, not an attack on anyone else.

Earthmother

Wednesday, July 24, 2002 - 07:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I personally believe friendship is something you build over time. You can be an aquaintence and you can have a good time in others company, but friends? I question a relationship of any kind in this game. That's probably why I became so verbal in the Roddy/Chiara soap opera relationship thread..Please don't read more into it than it is: which is a cut throat game for half a million dollars..if they get together ouside the house more power but inside it's a joke. I do get emotional when I see a group of people being vultures and hurting the feelings of others, and that is the part of this game I hate. I can't speak for these people, I'm not there but I certainly hope if I was that I could lie, scheme and do whatever I had to do without demoralizing someone. Maybe I feel this way because I'm a mommy or because my job involves kids who can be so cruel and I cringe when I see the damage they do to each other. I know many feel it's ok because the hgs are adults and knew what they were getting into, but feelings can be crushed no matter what your age and it's a hard thing for me to ignore.

Snee

Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 12:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
furry, just to let you know, i feel that josh has crossed the line (my line of course) in the show. we don't have nearly enough information about him to make any judgements about what he is like in Real Life.

also, i would prefer to spend time with josh (so far) rather than mike boogie, so that tells you something.