Don't judge a whole group by the actions of a single member
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Don't judge a whole group by the actions of a single member
Weinermr | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 11:36 pm     Some posters - not all, not most, not even alot, just a very few - seem to want to use the actions of one member of a particular group to judge that whole group. Some posters, a very very few, make comments about groups they don't belong to as if they know how someone in that group thinks and feels. Examples - Marcellas is not representative of all gay people, just of Marcellas. Josh is not representative of all Jewish people, just of Josh. If you are not Jewish, It is my personal hope that you would not try to present your "opinion" about how Jewish people think, feel, or behave as definitive. It's just an opinion. In fact, a Jewish person cannot even generalize about other Jewish people, only about themselves. etc. Everyone is absolutely and completely entitled to their own opinions, and state them as such. Just as I am doing here. Stating MY opinions. And you are just as free to state YOUR opinions. But that is all they are. Opinions. And that is the whole purpose of this message board. For us to have the opportunity to state our opinions. Everyone. But I am belaboring the obvious. Just my two cents. |
Maris | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 11:48 pm     You are right I guess my view is that when you have a HG that presents themselves as being the standard bearer for a particular group then I will say hold on a minute. This is not directed at you Weinermr but I did think about this after an exchange on another thread concerning making statements about African Americans. Are we so politically correct that somehow it is inappropriate to actually mention the race issue on the boards when in fact it was a HG that raised it. It was the HG that said they wanted to be representative of a group and didnt want to be an "angry black woman" I admit I am not happy about the turn of events but I blame the HG for doing this. Yet, somehow it is ok for Danielle to align herself with the other HG solely based on his race and not only align herself with him but try and lay some sort of trip on him that he has an obligation to follow her because they are both african american. I look at that statement and wonder, gee if I was a white man and said I want us whites to stick together, would people say oh you cant blame him for wanting to be with his group. I think we should stop being so politically correct and not be afraid to say you know what the way she is playing this game is not cool and race doesnt belong in the game. It is pure dirty playing and low. I dont know if I am getting my point across but I dont think you can blame the messengers. |
Babyruth | Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 07:07 am     Weinermr, I hear what you are saying and am glad you brought this up. I, too, have read those posts in which the writers naively assumed all members of a certain group feel the same way and think the same way, and I cringed to read them. Naivety is mine too, as I lazily assumed all people know the errors of generalizations. Life is full of opportunites to reach out and educate, and I'm glad you spoke up and did so without judgement. Typical Weinermr. My 2 cents. |
Babyruth | Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 09:55 am     LOL-- naiveté is mine. Self-evident, wasn't it??  |
Donut | Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 04:19 pm     Weiner and Babyruth: you da best!! (i dont have time right now to drop any change here, cuz i got all wrapped up dropping my 2 little pennies at the slander thread) |
What555456 | Sunday, July 21, 2002 - 06:44 pm     Concerning the people on BB as representing their various groups.... As a gay man, I can tell you that Marcellus and I are about as far apart in how we act, react and think of things as any two human beings could be. It was the same last year with Bunkie. Both Marcellas and Bunkie have definite effeminate affectations. Not a problem and it is true enough, some gay men do. But I find it is a very small minority. The gay men I know and spend time with -- and there are a lot of them! <g> -- very few have such affectations. What I think would be cool for BB4 would be to make the token gay man a super-masculine acting gay man. Someone who could take out any of the whimpy straight men in the show! Now THAT would be a hoot! LOL!! |
Spunky | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 08:35 am     Yes, I think it's wrong to generalize. But look at how Josh presented himself.."I'm Jew" as if to say, they're all like me... He was wrong and someone should have told him, "So what? You're Jew? To me you're another houseguest I'm trying to beat". He should have never brought up his race. And Marcella really didn't need to reveal he was gay, it was already obvious to everyone else and it would have let the guessing go on for other who were still not convinced (tv viewers included) and make it more interesting. Poor Jason did not have to reveal he was virgin. Can't anyone leave a bit of the mystery go on a bit longer?? Speculations end the moment the mystery is solved... Unfortunately about the boobs, everyone nowadays can tell the difference.. |
Goddessatlaw | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 08:59 am     Interestingly enough, there doesn't seem to be a single person in the house who cares or even mentions that Josh is Jewish except Josh (or that Marcellas is gay - evidence of social progress, I hope). When Gerry had his little "Come to MLK" moment, however, Josh immediately went for the race card - as if the Luftwaffen had suddenly invaded their living room. I didn't really care for Gerry's speech, although his heart was in the right place. However, Josh' continuing references to Gerry as somehow antisemitic really is insulting to those who are suffering the ramifications of the real thing. Josh is just looking for any rock under which to hide rather than address the fact that his nasty play on the game has been checked. End note - I think because the houseguests don't seem to have any racist or homophobic tendencies, there's been no real opportunity to dissect the subject. This makes me happy - of all the bad things we can enumerate about the houseguests, their hearts seem pure on matters of discrimination. |
Squaredsc | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 09:12 am     good posts weinermr and goddess, i certainly don't see the sexpack as how all "white people" act, and i don't see dani as how all "black females" act especially since i am one and i don't act like that. and tata doesn't act like all strippers. |
Karuuna | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 09:21 am     Aw, I think all TVCHer's are incredibly bright, articulate and insightful. Wait, that's a generalization!  |
Twiggyish | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 09:45 am     Kar, I agree and want to add: I think Weinermr is incredibly bright, articulate, insightful and punny! (pun intended) |
Karuuna | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 10:08 am     Twiggy - he is one of the best of the best, isn't he? |
Weinermr | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 12:07 pm     You wouldn't believe it, but you made me blush. You really did!  |
Snee | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 12:28 pm     good points all. *goes around picking up change for penny-candy later on* |
Luvmom | Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:17 pm     I 100% agree with you weinermr. This club is one of the greatest places to chat and make friends and the one thing I love the most is we are all so different.Not one of us should be stereotyped just because of who we are. One of my oldest and dearest friends from high school is gay and he is nothing like Marc,or Rich Hatch orBunky,etc!!!He is his own person and one of the best teachers I know . |
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