EW.com "Why the Wrong Person Won..."
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EW.com "Why the Wrong Person Won..."
Watching2 | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 11:50 am     Bastable, I'm totally thrilled Lisa won. I think she deserved it. But those final questions from the houseguests? SNOOOOOOOOOZE!!!!!!!! And don't think CBS didn't have anything to do with that! If that last show was boring and their questions lame, blame CBS and AS - they have these people practice things over and over again. They TELL them what roles they'll be in the show. I can't believe with all the volatile things these people did and said IN the house, they couldn't have come up with something better and more exciting for the last show!!! My take - the last few weeks you could just about put money down on who was going to go out of the house on the next eviction. The person they made it SEEM LIKE the others were favoring. When they kept showing people saying all those nice things about the way Danielle played the game and didn't get in there and attack her personally, I "thought" hmmmmmm..... Lisa must have this by a landslide!!!! I didn't expect it to be that BIG of a landslide, but Danielle actually predicted that's what she would get. With the looks on Mars, Chiara's and some other guests face during the show, you would have thought their questions would have been BRUTAL - and then they ask these lame questions. COME ON!!!! The lamest of all had to be Roddy's PBJ question. Like he didn't want to go after her about how she acted? Yeah right!!!!! In my opinion, if the show was lame last night, it was CBS's fault. They had tons of material to work with and this is all they could come up with? Poor choice by the powers that be there to make this last show so blah......well except for Lisa winning. |
Wcv63 | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 11:55 am     I agree that the wrong person won. Lisa had no strategy, had no instincts and coasted into a very lucky first place finish. Her win was a more of a slap in the face to Dani than an actual win. IMO |
Justin42 | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:04 pm     But see, the person who wins is *so* dependent on the nature of the other houseguests. I am a bit disappointed that Josh voted for Lisa; it seemed like he should have voted for Dani. But other that that, the other houseguests put emotions over shrewd gameplay. Last year's guests valued gameplay. It depends on who's on the show. Just as this year came in and from day 1 was scared of a "Will" winning, next year's group will be scared of a "Lisa" winning and will probably start picking off the nice people immediately. There are 2 extremes there, which make for a tension, that if ASP can capitalize on in the casting (get 6 "Lisa"s and 6 "Will"s and watch them both try to avoid pitfalls from the other groups) Everything's a reaction to other things. ASP should make sure any new BB's know EXACTLY the types of personalities who won BB2 and 3 (1 is irrelevant since the winner was decided by AC) and watch them try to figure out how to be in the middle-- not a wallflower but not Dr. Evil. ;) (and since everyone else is throwing this in, I'm really happy Lisa won |
Costacat | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:09 pm     Cricket wrote: "This article said exactly what many of us feel." Uh, actually, it said exactly the OPPOSITE of what I feel. I am GLAD Lisa won! I think she played a good game, and I think she played an honest game. It seems to me that those who are most upset that she won are those who just plain didn't like her. And if that is the reason for being upset, I would think it's OK to say so. (I mean, I just plain didn't like Danielle, and so I am happy she did NOT win. <grin>) And I also disagree with Wcv. I think she did have a strategy, and she did have instincts. I think she got herself sidetracked there for a bit with her sore behind and Eric, but she straighted up quickly enough. If you watch her closely, she spent a lot of time looking and LISTENING. |
Wcv63 | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:12 pm     I forgive you Costacat. But you're wrong! |
Lycanthrope | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:35 pm     Sorry, Wcv63, you're welcome to your opinion, but in my view, it's you who are mistaken. Costacat is correct. Ark, I DON'T know a lot of Lisa's in my real life, so it was refreshing for me to see her win. The people who say she didn't have a strategy I beleive are mistaken. The analogy about a fighter who "rope-a-dope's" his opponent to come back and knock him out in the last round is dead on. If you watched the show and saw the DR sessions you'd know that. Dani was throwing competitions to look weak, and I beleive Lisa did the same thing. She lulled Jason and Dani into a false sense of security regarding the HOH competition, and then absolutely dominated the two of them when it counted. She also could have won the GPOV if she wanted to. She played them as much as they played her. The difference is she didn't trash the other HG's to near the level that Dani did, and in the end, that won it for her. I'm ecstatic she won, and no amount of Lisa bashing will change my opinion, in fact it strengthens it. Dani had the right strategy, but Lisa executed it better. Plain and simple. |
Ashfett | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:48 pm     Lisa played an excellent game of Big Brother and deserved to win. Danielle played the most amazing, impressive game of Survivor I've ever seen. Problem was, she was on Big Brother. Whoops. What makes Big Brother different is the element that the EHG's get to see the tapes/feeds etc after leaving. If Danielle were on Survivor, where the only thing that counts is what the other players see personally, she would have done perfectly. But she made a huge mistake acting as she did in the DRs and such on Big Brother. |
Gidget | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:50 pm     I think there was something wrong with the final vote last night and it's name was Roddy. On our board Dani was losing about 2 to 1 or 3 to 1. Most speculation pointed to Dani picking up 2-4 votes. That would have meshed with our unscientific survey. Bottom line, the 9-1 has Roddy prints all over it. So we really can't draw any good conclusions about the winner in relation to next year's game. |
Pesto | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:50 pm     Boxers do the Rope-a-dope intentionally to tire opponents out. Lisa did the Dope-a-dope, unintentionally getting linked to players with real strategies and longer coat-tails. I give Lisa a lot of credit for 1) voting Amy in/not Eric (after being told to do so by the way) and 2) for beating Dani/Jas in the boats and kicking Jason's ass in the last competition. She pulled it out when it counted and for this she should deserves all the credit in the world. However, I think to execute a strategy, you have to know what it is. Dope-a-dope ain't a strategy. |
Gramma | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:03 pm     I thought the article was dead-on. Kudos to the author for daring to go against the tide of popularity and telling it like it is. I hope Danielle sees it. I also hope all the EHGs do as well. |
Cmore | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:11 pm     Well I suppose that I have a different view than most. While i was not thrilled for Lisa, I was very, very happy that Dani didn't win. I don't really think either of them deserved 500K, Dani for her trashing of others and Lisa for her dismal effort at being a real personality. All in all BB3 was just way too predictable from week to week, with very few suprises. I suppose after least years Will-Hardy-Monica-Nicole final four, I just walked away a little less than excited about this years ending. I do hope for next years casting, they stay away from the meek personalities, like Lisa or Jason and bring on the Will, Nicole, Dani and Lori types. I do believe they bring less predictable outcomes and make the show much more entertaining. I really, really disliked Dani, and as sad as it may be to admit, she was a big part of what kept me watching the show week to week, waiting for the devil to get her due. We just need a few more devils next year to add some excitement. |
Cricket | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:14 pm     Curtisaha... stated: "Sometimes people win games because they are lucky. What's wrong with that?! What's wrong with a little good, old-fashioned luck?" Now, Curtis, did you mean that as a compliment? :lol: I just about died when Lisa said that to Gerry. Since she went around telling everyone that he was a dirtly old man who was looking at her (just because she was never fully dressed) I thought it hysterical that she was sort of attacking him. The fool voted for her anyway. I think Gerry just wanted to fit in with the group he didn't fit in with in the house. Don't get me wrong people, I don't want to see mean, angry houseguests either...or a lot of fights. That is not pleasant to watch. Dani didn't fight with people in the house. For the most part she got along with everyone. Marci, Amy and Chiara were the drama queens and it wasn't pleasant to watch. If Danielle was the horrible person the houseguests made her out to be, then why did she keep Lisa over Amy? Because she gave her her word. Just imagine where Lisa would have been had Danielle and Jason not taken her under their wing after her so-called friends backstabbed her. She even admitted they took her in. That's why I was shocked when she was talking about why they should vote for her and she said I played the game nice and Dani was "Will" ie., mean. That was uncalled for in my opinion. I'm sure she probably said other nice things, but as usual it was edited for TV. I don't wish her any ill will and she is a nice girl, but she just sort of coasted in this game. Bastable, that is an excellent idea to go back to letting the viewers determine the winner. My only concern with that is that they make sure that a person can only vote once, because in American Idol, some woman said she voted 1011 times for RJ. It wouldn't be fair if a few people could just keep voting. The public has an all-around view of the game from the beginning and the houseguests of course only have the view of what happened to them. Maybe CBS will listen if it means more viewers because they have an input to the final outcome of the show. |
Mags3 | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:10 pm     Bastable said: AJS shouldn't have eliminated the audience from the show. The final winner should be determined BY THE AUDIENCE. We see everything. It's the only way to make it fair. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx And, uh, how many times did you try to call in and cast a vote for Danielle? One, five or more? See that is the problem. People will overload the votes and I'd say about 45% would vote more than once. So unless as Cricket says above there is a way to only allow one call per number (and it can be done since it HAS been done for other things) I don't see this idea any better than what we ended up with. None of us know Lisa on the outside. But I'd say that if she is shy then we may have seen her play the best a shy person can play. (yeah, I know she's been on tv before. That doesn't mean her personality isn't of a shy breed). Just my two cents, thank you oh so much ;) |
Cindyluvsroddy | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:10 pm     The Fact that some people are so willing to blame Roddy for the final vote is just so funny. Dani would be a great game player for survivor - i so agree with that! but that stratedy only gets u so far in BB BB has that one other element, where the jury has all the video of what was really going on in the house - where they can see and hear your every word... why Dani didnt play that element is beyond me!! why some dani supporters cant seem to conclude that lisa won over dani (fair and square) is beyond me its over, Lisa won - so get over it! |
Misslibra | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:10 pm     If Dani was robbed she robbed herself. As you can see I disagree with this article. Me thinks maybe the person who wrote this article have a few sour grapes hanging out of his/her mouth. |
Bmh | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:12 pm     I agree completely with that article it summed up my feelings as the show ended last night..EW hit the nail on the head! PS:Danielle still rocks! |
Misslibra | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:13 pm     Cindy, the fact that people are blaming Roddy for the final vote is not only funny but ridiculous! Why some people believe a villian played this game better then someone with a heart is a sad commentary on our society.  |
Loppes | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:16 pm     I posted the following a few days ago and I'm going say it again. This past week I went into a CBS chatroom. (Yes I know people pretend they are someone who they aren't). This person came in the room, and said he knew Lisa. He then started going in length about her character. Which wasn't very flattering to her. Someone in the room was throwing questions at this guy. He kept answering for a long time. Towards the end he said he works for EW. Based on that, this article is not surprising to me. If the person in the chat was who he said he is, I'm thinking this is the same guy. So as far as I'm concerned, the article is biased and not a fair conclusion. Lon |
Oregonfire | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:20 pm     I suspect that Roddy may have tried to influence the vote, and given the personalities of the other evicted HGs, I would not put it past them to try and curry Roddy's favor. Of course, I have no proof of this, so it's just conjecture based on my impressions of all the HGs. I base my opinions on how they all interacted in the house. The voting is done, so fair is fair. However, I wouldn't sleep too good at night if I were an evicted HG and had voted with the herd just to be part of the Roddy in-crowd. |
Battlestar | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:49 pm     NICOLE LOST the game last year DANIELLE LOST the game this year. Saying it that way means a whole lot different then to say LISA WON the game |
Itsallgood | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:08 pm     "Homegirl"???? Lisa is far from a "Homegirl" as you can get. That one word tells me a lot about the writer of this column. Lisa had a good strategy in my opinion! It won her $500,000. JMO |
Llkoolaid | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:45 pm     I agree with the article, Lisa played a good game the last week, up until that she rode Dani's coattails, and was given the win. I liked her but I don't think she should have been awarded the win. |
Loppes | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:03 pm     Sometimes the best strategy, is no strategy. Lisa deserved every penny of the $500,000. Lon |
Woodpecke® | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:51 pm     Right after Lisa won HOH, I predicted in print that the vote would be 8-2. 8-2 is a landslide. 8-2 is no contest. The right person won. Lisa also may have beaten Jason. We will never know, but it would have been a helluva lot closer than 8-2. |
Eden | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:31 am     Pesto! Dope-a-dope! Hilarious and so RIGHT ON! Come on, people, didn't you watch the SHOW? LISA? No, she was given the game but she didn't WIN it. Is BB to become a drawn out version of The Weakest link, when the best player is voted out by all the worst players so the dumbest person wins? God, I hope not! That's what we have here! The article is RIGHT. None of them played the game well and punished Danielle cause she did. That simple. Lisa's got a likeable navel... yeah... and she thinks with it TOO! |
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