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DANNI is extremely upset that Roddy thinks she is "soulless",as revealed from tonights hoh comp.:
Archive through September 23, 2002
Maris | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:10 am     Dani will just say Amy, it was just business but you know I love you. I had your back -- lets just forget that I kicked your backside out the door. |
Goddess146 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:17 am     The difference between Dani and Roddy is that Danni admits that she has been a dirty player. Roddy does not admit to his evil deeds. Danni holds herself to a low standard and should be judged to that standard. Roddy holds himself to a very high standard and should be judged to that standard. Because Roddy holds himself to such a high standard he can and should be judged harshly when he breaks that standard. Roddy's "that's you but what about me" stance with demon and souls is a breech of his own standards. I have said it before. Roddy postions himself as better than humans. Because of his self postioning he can not be permitted to have normal human reactions and feelings. He has given up his right to human frailties by claiming to be above humans. |
Maris | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:19 am     I think Amy had it exactly right in her interview with E.W. regarding the whole Roddy/Dani thing. Roddy was a nice guy, persuasive but he was not mean like Dani was. He was trying to win a game too but he didnt stab people in the back. He didnt make up lies about them. He didnt set them up to be trashed by others in the house. |
Cliotheleo | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:21 am     We must be watching two different shows Goddess because the Dani I see is pretty good at acting like her you know what smells like roses. |
Twiggyish | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:27 am     pp: "Two wrongs don't make a right" Just because Roddy didn't admit to it and Danielle admits to it..doesn't make it better or right. |
Bernie | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:36 am     If it's a toilet 'seat' it should be horizontal, not vertical, surely...that argument should appeal to a man's logical mind, LOL! Plus, the chivalric argument that a man won't fall in and get wet if he has to go wee in the middle of the night, but a woman will, if the seat is up, should settle the argument for all time, IMHO! If neither of these work, remind your menfolk that in the middle of the night, while unsteady and half asleep, is the most vulnerable time for a man, should an upright seat happen to fall down, in media res! Ouch! I know that Danielle knew how much Amy trusted her, but I do wonder how Danielle felt when Amy said forcefully, on more than one occasion, that she would never accept being mocked. Did she even think about her own actions at all, and how Amy would see or hear about them after she was evicted? |
Marameko | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:40 am     Gawdddddddd why waste time on thinking about what 'ole Roddy says/feels/thinks ? Talk about a good way to waste time.......... |
Wrat1010 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 10:05 am     If Danielle could have complemented her actions in the house by making some diary room confessions on what a snake she was being, then she would be this year's Will and win the game. It would have been great for her to say she is more of a devil than Roddy and I think people would have loved to cheer for a female Will. I think she was trying to be honest in the diary room, but she wasn't honest enough -- I think she should have said "Eric, I played you" "Chiara, I played you" et cetera et cetera in each evicted houseguest's goodbye message... they may have been hurt at first -- but perhaps they'd get over it when they realize at least she was honest enough to admit it. If she had done that type of thing, then Lisa would be right in her fears that Danielle's diary rooms could sway the jury -- but instead Danielle comes off like Nicole, part Deux in those diary room goodbye messages. |
Watching2 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 10:55 am     Wrat: Very good post! Her admitting to what she was doing (although she did once in a while toward the end) and making fun of herself and saying it was just the game in the DR, would have earned her way more support, just like it did Will! |
Wendo | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:03 pm     Maris said, "I think Amy had it exactly right in her interview with E.W. regarding the whole Roddy/Dani thing. Roddy was a nice guy, persuasive but he was not mean like Dani was. He was trying to win a game too but he didnt stab people in the back. He didnt make up lies about them. He didnt set them up to be trashed by others in the house." I think Josh would likely disagree with this assessment. |
Beegee | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:12 pm     Roddy did not trash the other HGs about personal issues having nothing to do with the game. He spoke respectfully of other HGs both in his conversations in the house and in the diary room, even unpopular HGs like Josh and Gerry. He may have said some hurtful and manipulative things to Amy, Chiara, and Josh, but he said them to their face. To me there is a big difference between being ruthless and manipulative in a game, and being mean about personal things. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:11 pm     Beegee - EXCELLENT point! |
Maryk | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:18 pm     "Danni holds herself to a low standard and should be judged to that standard" - Really so her holier than thou attitude in trashing the other houseguests, when she herself has been doing some of the same misdeeds doesn't count? She only admitted being 'evil' near the end as to mitigate her own nastiness so she can make amends with the jury. |
Toolhound | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:24 pm     Wrat1010, I think you are right on the money. |
Wcv63 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:28 pm     Beegee...it would be an excellent point if true but Roddy had very harsh words for people that he spoke "behind their backs." Somehow it's easier to forgive Roddy for some. I'm sure it has a lot to do with how some people percieved him. I find it a lot harder to forgive Roddy for his actions because I thought his tactics of emotional destruction could cause long term problems in his victims. His use of psychology for manipulation purposes was wrong IMO. |
Maris | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:39 pm     I have listened to many posts on this board about the effects of the Gerry bashing on him long term particularly in front of his students. Who started that bashing --Dani. I have listened to Dani talk about Amy's drinking problem, Amy flashing cameramen. WOuldnt that have long term problems for that girl when she left the house? Dani's assessment of Tonya as a mother and a lot of other Tonya comments could also have impacted her when she left the house. (note that Tonya and boyfriend broke up because of the house). So to say that Roddy cant be forgiven because his actions may cause his victims long term problems could also apply to Dani. |
Wendo | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:39 pm     Beegee, Roddy called Josh a slob, or, at least agreed with that comment. That sounds rather personal, despite the fact that Josh was or was not a slob. Nor do I recall him telling Josh to his face that he was a slob in the way he said it to the others. Yep, Wcv63. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:44 pm     But Wcv63....if you are referring to Amy, her EW interview shows that she has NOT been "emotionally destroyed" by Roddy by any means. In fact, she is apparently MORE hurt by what Dani said behind her back than what Roddy said to her face... I thought that whenever Roddy said anything behind someone's back, it was in the context of them lying or not being trustworthy in the game....he didn't simply laugh at their weight or their hygeine or their morals or call them names for nothing more than the satisfaction of trashing them, like Dani did. Just an observation. |
Wcv63 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:49 pm     And SanFran...your observations are certainly valid from your perspective. I saw things differently. His speech about Amy vilifying her and publicly humilating her but being able to turn it around so that Amy has nothing but good things to say about him scares me. There was nothing constructive about his speech. It was destructive but the way he was able to turn situations around so that others would apologize to HIM when his actions were the ones in question creeped me out. |
Serena | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:58 pm     wcv: I agree with your comments completely. I recently came across something Roddy said on the feeds: that when he first meets someone he employs this tactic: he's cold and aloof. Then, the next time he sees the person, he showers them with attention. The person is ostensibly so 'relieved' that he DOES actually 'like' them that it gives Roddy immense power. Sleazy. When time has passed, Amy will realize that Roddy's 'charismatic' manipulation of her will far outweigh whatever hurt she's feeling now about Danielle's mocking of her. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:01 pm     Wcv63 - (You are so fun to debate with! ) "but being able to turn it around so that Amy has nothing but good things to say about him scares me." But isn't that a lot more AMY's doing than Roddy's? I think Marcellas was a thousand times more cruel to Amy than Roddy ever was. But Amy forgave him over and over for publicly humiliating her for no good reason. Roddy actually had a point....he was angry that Amy gave him her word and then SHE broke it just to humiliate HIM (She did high fives with the other HGs when she made that decision to "play" him that way). Marcellas actually went out of his way to trash Amy with *no justification whatsoever* except that he apparently simply felt a NEED to trash her in public. And he did so in the nomination meeting, so that may as well have been live tv as well....they all knew it would be aired. Amy still made nice with him, though... I think that Marcellas's INTENT was just plain MEAN, as opposed to Roddy's reasonable REACTION at being lied to and "played". But...I still will agree to disagree with ya! |
Wendo | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:05 pm     Although, apparently Amy may have forgiven Marcellas. So, who's to know. |
Wcv63 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:12 pm     SanFran...I think we are speaking of two different events. I'm talking about Roddy's nomination speech and yes Marc treated his friend horribly. However, now that Amy is outside the house she is saying she doesn't know if she will be able to get past Marc's meanness but evidently harbors no such grudge for Roddy. Roddy has a degree in psychology and used his knowledge in such a way as to completely break down people mentally and then somehow turned himself into their personal savior. Figuratively....not a Christ reference. I like debating you too. Even when you're too stubborn to see the truth!! |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:22 pm     Wcv63 - "However, now that Amy is outside the house she is saying she doesn't know if she will be able to get past Marc's meanness but evidently harbors no such grudge for Roddy. " I take that as Amy being much more distraught with Marcellas' constant trash talking abut her behind her back than Roddy's remarks that he made to her face. I still can't see that as RODDY causing her to change her mind. It seems obviously evident to me that Amy has a much bigger gripe with her "two best friends", Marce and Dani talking about her and mocking her behind her back than Roddy being straightforard and honest with her. I still think she is making up her own mind. Sorry about my stubborness! But...one could also argue that I am too stubborn to be DISSUADED from the truth!! |
Beegee | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:40 pm     Some of you have brought up some things you heard Roddy say behind people's backs -- I didn't hear those myself but I believe you, so I stand corrected as far as it goes. But, the fact that I logged many (too many) hours watching and didn't hear Roddy's comments while I heard Danielle (as well as Marcellas and a couple others) making many such comments about many different people does at least speak to the quantity and frequency of behind-the-back trashing. Also, different kinds of behind-the-back talk is more hurtful than others. IMO being called a slob doesn't sound as hurtful as the way Danielle has imitated Amy, talked about Gerry, etc. Most people where I work look at one anothers' offices and chide them for being a slob. It's not really an insult. Perhaps Roddy's comments were more mean-spirited than I'm imagining -- I admit I didn't hear them. (I do remember some very mean things Marcellas said about Josh along those lines, and some very mean things Danielle said about Gerry along those lines). Where I'm coming from is that the kinds of things Danielle said against Amy and Gerry and a couple of others would hurt me deeply if they came from someone I thought liked and respected me. Many of Danielle's private conversations and diary room conversations revolved around making fun of people's appearance and personal mannerisms. That's just not something I am comfortable with. It gets too personal, and it hurts too much. By the way, I really did like Danielle most of the time, and often liked her a lot, but this one behavior really bothered me. Also, for the record, while almost everyone in the house (including Danielle) was trashing Josh, I recall Roddy's diary room discussion of him as being respectful. |
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