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Danimom

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
KLM72, I have to take your word on it.. I just don't see that as a goal anywhere in this country. Talking about messing up what the forefounders of this country had in mind!! LOL they are probably flipping over in their graves, doing 360 revolutions. LOL

What555456

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood! Thanks.

Hmmm...not sure about sea urchin. But I HATE figure skating! It hasn't been any good since that dear sweet Tonya Harding girl got kicked out. A few more people like her and it will get closer to "ice hockey with style". Then I might watch it! <g>

Yep, I should be around tomorrow.

Klm72

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just read this at Amy's site and it got me thinkin'

"Amy hung out one night with Josh and Merritt. She said Josh is nothing like he was in the house and he's just a big sweetie. She loves Merritt and has a great time with them. They left her a funny message on her answering machine one night singing the song "We love you Amy, oh yes we do... we love Amy" etc.. "

Now we all know how wishy-washy Amy can be at times- she was rather easy to manipulate in the house on several occasions. If she could go from pro-Dani to anti-Dani in a day, isn't it possible her good buddies Josh and Jason might help convince her to vote pro-Dani again?

What555456

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Klm72

Yep. Very possible, which is why I do not see Amy as a Lisa vote -- but more a swing vote leaning towards Dani. I suspect in her heart she would like to find a reason to vote for Dani.

Keep in mind, whatever else you may say about Amy, with the exception of her reaction to Chiara, she came across as a very forgiving person -- putting her hurt feelings behind her very quickly.

Wendo

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ice hockey with style What! LOL! Good one!

Klm72

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What- also on Amy's update page was this tidbit which supports what you just said!

"Marcellas called and they talked things over and are still friends. Amy was hurt to find out about Marcellas comments behind her back but she is very forgiving. "

Grannygrunt

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The evicted HG's also do not know what Lisa said about the cards, predestination, etc. ONLY if she says something in her answers will they know she feels this way. They have no access to what she has said yesterday or today. Except what she chooses to tell them. I don't see Lisa spilling her guts about something like that. She never did until it was just the two of them. So I don't think that part will figure into the deliberations at all. But the mind is a fickle thing. One day one way and the next day another.

Northstar

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood, OMG - your 1:47 post is hands down the funniest on this entire board. You totally got me at "Stinky", and the follow-up with "toast" was the icing. Thanks for throwing the light-heartedness in the mix of madness. SO appreciated.

What555456

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Grannygrunt -- we know they are supposedly sequestered..but are we sure they are not watching the live feeds?

Bmh

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What..I pegged Tonya as a Lisa vote because..on thursday's show when Amy got evicted..they did the interview with Tonya..and Tonya described Dani as the most conniving manipulative person..or something like that she ever met..plus Dani called her a bad mother..and Tonya was overall not happy with Dani..I serioulsy doubt her giving Dani a vote...In fact besides Eric..I am more confident that Tonya wont vote for Dani even over Marc and Roddy..cuz I can see them appreciating Dani's gameplaying or something like that..but I dont see Tonya doing that

Woodpecke®

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the kind words. YW.

What555456

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Makes sense Bmh. You are probably right. Tonya has been one of those that has been hard for me to read.

OK, I'll give Lisa 1 1/2 sure votes, maybe 1 3/4. Eric and "probably" Tonya.

<g>

Phillymom

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I doubt Lisa will say anything about her Tarot cards, psychic readers, etc., to the jury. And I doubt they've been watching the live feeds and know about it -- it's possible, but I doubt it. Originally, I thought this was going to be a sweep for Lisa. The more I think about it, I think it's going to be a tie, or possibly even a win for Dani. I see these as pretty certain: Josh and Jason for Dani. For Lisa: Roddy, Eric, Tonya, and Marcellas. I think the remaining 4 (Lori, Amy, Chiara, Gerry) could go either way, but I think it's more likely that they're leaning toward Dani, simply because they have their own personal grievances against Lisa that may outweigh their feelings toward Dani.

Grannygrunt

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What, in all that I've read (interviews with Amy, Roddy, Mar) they have all said the only thing they get is the tapes BB gives them. (and I am speaking only of the ones who just left) Now I will say they have all had access to computers and such but remember Eric and Josh said they had not watched the live feeds. And all of this stuff with Lisa just started yesterday. Maybe some Saturday night, but most was said yesterday with any discussion between them. And I am sure somebody probably told them a lot of stuff but since this has been so recent I don't think anyone would have knowledge of it like we do. I'm not saying it won't happen, I just don't think there has been enough time for them to find out about it unless Lisa says something to them about it. But we shall see how the cards will fall. Besides I wanted Jason to win so what do I know.

What555456

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Grannygrunt. You have more information than I have.

Now, knowing how BB has raised issues in the DR for the HG's to "think" about -- do you think BB might do the same now? Indirectly suggest some things? (And not just on Lisa and the occult, but even in other areas?)

Pesto

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What, a few random thoughts on potential dani votes:

1) The impact that Jason has on the other HGs could be key right now and especially on Roddy, because I think Amy and Chiara will follow Roddy's vote (once a tool, always a tool). Sorry Amy and Chiara fans, just how I see it. Jason can point out others' hypocrisy (e.g., bashing) because he witnessed a lot of it going on (e.g., Lisa, Josh, Chiara, Amy). It might amount to nothing, but it does say a lot when Golden Boy Jason is your supporter.

2) Putting my optimistic hat on, I can see Danni get the Jason and Josh vote, and eke out a Gerry vote (logic over feelings).

3) I think Mars is a lost cause with Dani (although I bet they will be good friends/enemies/friends after she gets out; Mars flips flops more than anyone I know).

4) Tonya I would give to Lisa because of the bashing issue. Eric - Lisa vote. Lori - probably Lisa, but she's whacky too, so who knows.

So adding this up, I think the critical votes are Roddy, Amy and Chiara, meaning that Roddy is the critical person to turn.. Pretty bleak but it ain't over 'til its over..:)

Grannygrunt

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What, see I think the discussion BEFORE the questions will be what is most interesting. If BB had any imput or were the HG's left to their own discussion. If BB were the "Moderator" of the discussion, then yes I think they probably threw out some questions that made the evicted HG think twice about what they were feeling toward Dani and Lisa. However they chose to make the discussion go. You know as well as I do, if they are 10 people in a room there are probably 10 different opinions of what really happened. So I think BB will "guide" the discussions. Of course, with their twist on it.

Rissa

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This may be slightly off-topic depending on how you read it. I have been reading the posts and trying to figure out the voting just like you all are doing and one thing keeps popping up.... what the evicted HG's see once they leave the house. Amy switching her vote for Dani being just one example. Is it fair that the evicted HG's get to watch the show at all? Should they be sequestered as in Survivor? The show is edited, the DR entries are edited, conversations are edited. What makes their post-viewing opinions any more objective than just going by their experience in the house?

I will be satisfied whichever ones wins. I like Lisa but think Dani played the he** outa this game. But it seems to me that we (the public) got involved in BB1 with our banners and megaphones and we are still involved with BB3 by our conversations with the evicted, these message boards, editorials, etc. Should we be? Or should the BB experience itself be all the evicted get to use to base their final vote?

Back to the topic. LOL I think Lisa has the votes to win, but it will be real close. I think for those waffling on who to vote for, the speeches will really make a difference.

What555456

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Agreed, grannygrunt --and I also agree that BB will try to impact the final vote. Which to me says the real question is who does BB want to have win this. I don't think BB can control it, but I think they can have a lot of influence.

Grannygrunt

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It is so nice to agree with someone. Remember Lisa saying something about being in the DR and they ask her why she was taking a liar instead of a honest person. I know that is not exactly how it was worded but the effect is still the same. So yes I certainly think BB does try to sway things BUT people are people with minds of their own. BB can't MAKE them do what they want but they sure enough can try.

Minnyace01

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woody - you've got it right again. There were 4 of them out together last Friday night - Eric, Josh, Roddy, and Chiara. If you think that Eric, Roddy, and Chiara are all not going to vote for Lisa, you've got your head buried in the sand. It would also not surprise me if Josh also voted for Lisa. The only vote that is certain to go for Dani is Jason. Looks like 9-1 or 8-2 for Lisa.

Tresbien

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 04:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Grannygrunt, actually the tarot card issue arose the week Chiara was HOH. Remember that her gift basket included a brand-new package of tarot cards sent by her mom? Lisa quietly watched Chiara use them and later said that Chiara didn't know what she was doing with them. She said that you can't just pull them out and use them because they need to be prepared or seasoned or something like that (I know nothing about them myself.). She seemed to know someone who is an expert with them and was very familiar with them herself. I believe Lisa was talking to Dani about it but can't remember if anyone else was involved in the conversation. Just fyi...

Ziggystardust

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 04:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lisa will probabably win but I cant say that for sure....Last year I completley thought Will's own words killed any chance he'd have of winning (the "look at yourselves" speech if anyone remembers) but I was wrong and Will (YAY) won!

Grannygrunt

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 04:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tres, I remember that but what I am talking about is the convo's yesterday with Lisa telling Dani she knew before they came into the house that the final two would be the two of them....and all of that other stuff about how she "knew" it would be this way. Not what happened way back when but just the stuff she was saying in the past couple of days.

Jaysgal

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 04:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tonya is no mystery. She's pretty easy to read. Who voted to save Tonya? It was Lisa and Chiara. Lisa hadn't betrayed her, despite the pressure from the men. And Lisa didn't call her an unfit mother and jeer at her.

The only way Tonya would vote against Lisa is if she's so close to Chiara to the point of voting the way Chiara does. However, I doubt that this is the case, for even Chiara is not a sure vote for Danielle.

Onlymytulips

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 05:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I hope that Jason's real mommie has set him straight about the surrogate mommie in the BB3 house: Danielle. Led him around by the nose, did not appreciate him enough and eventually made him an orphan. She was a bad mommie. She even took all of his money.

Then Danielle will only have Josh as a vote.

Eden

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle didn't take Jason's money. He LOST it himself. His performance in the final HOH was pretty horrible. I think Jason is completely aware of that and accepting that he had the tiller of his fate and grounded himself.

Jason won't abandon Danielle, she has his vote. Josh is the only other person in the house who didn't get embroiled in the emotion and just judged by gameplaying. I'd like to think Roddy could rise above his ego to give the prize to Danielle, but I don't really see that happening. He was always more talk than substance. Amy might forgive Danielle. Marcellas probably will forgive Danielle, eventually, but too late to award her the prize. Tonya is going to vote Lisa. Eric - Lisa. Chiara should vote Danielle but she'll probably vote for Lisa too. Gerry might vote for Danielle.