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Niceguy

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is an idea or concept that hasn't been brouht up yet but maybe it should. Its apparent that U R can be verbal and emotional as well. We've witnessed it in some form throughout the game. There may need to be some buffer when a player or players go over the line with repeated below the belt behaviours or comments.

If Endemol doesn't consider this we're going to end up with characters far worse than Roddy, Danielle and Marcellus.

What555456

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Niceguy

I think Endemol would like nothing better than having characters far worse than Roddy, Danielle and Marcellus. They would love to get the ratings Jerry Springer gets.

Niceguy

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gee, then we'll have murders outside of the game. What a great development that will be.

Tracyck

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The whole concept of the game is psychological - players know that going in. I don't think that there should be a buffer within the game, but perhaps a better screening process - pick the players wisely, don't turn it into a casting call....

At the end of the day, there were no 'evil' people in this game - just a couple of people who couldn't resist opening their mouths and trashing their housemates.

IMO, Roddy played a good game and lost - there was nothing underhand in his actions, unlike those of Dani who faked alliances with just about everybody. Marc just plain like to gossip and b*tch and jumped on whatever bandwagon was going at the time - they all did at least a little of that - with the possible exception of Gerry.

Jimmer

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really don't think these houseguests are all that "special" or untypical of anyone placed in that situation. No one showed any sign of physical violence or intimidation this year. It's not like they dragged people in randomly off the street. Anyone playing this game should be prepared for verbal and emotional interactions.

Niceguy

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tracyck, I see your point and agree to a certain extent. I don't know of a screening process that could do what you suggest. It is a television show devised to entertain. I think if it is a 'game' then the safety portion should be better reinforced. The contestants in the future generally follow the examples of previous players and embellish with their own psychological quirks.

Niceguy

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tonya and Amy's exchange wasn't questionable?Danielle threatening to "go ghetto?"

Neither acted on their bluster but it makes one wonder.

Watching2

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree. The whole show is about how "LOW" will someone go in their actions to get the money. Remember the Beatle's short with all that money in a huge huge puddle w/dung in it? "If you want it..come & get it..." and "Have you seen the little piggies?!" Yep!

After the problem with Justin on BB2, I'm sure they're screening for those with a violent past, etc. There's really no way to predict if someone may "lose it" after passing initial screening. If someone were to make verbal threats, etc., I'm sure they will be dealt with by CBS and the authorities. JMHO

Jimmer

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, I'm amazed at how controlled most of these contestants appear to be. You very rarely see someone truly lose it.

Tracyck

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that I would suggest a screening process similar to the psychological tests that are given for some occupations (police officer, etc). Something that would indicate that the player has the ability to last so long couped up with a bunch of strangers all vying for the same end goal. Not so much to even it out, but to just make sure that they aren't going to crack under the pressure.

Not sure that I understand what kind of safety you are talking about though. I didn't see any physical boundaries crossed, and any emotional manipulation that was used within the game should be expected. As it is, it seems that even the alcohol consumption was very limited chich could create and unknown atmosphere - not sure what else could be done other than to revert to the game where the HGs have to play to us, the audience, rather than each other inside the house.

Niceguy

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara actually came closest to a true breakdown. CBS must've hired some good counselors to get over that hurdle.

Csnog

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What about the person who creates the false impression of another HG?

Is that a low blow?

Josh created most of the problems in the house from the begining by telling outright lies until those lies became a reality in the HG's minds.

Why doesn't anyone speak up when they find out a lie?
Not in a confrontational ( Tonya and Amy, Dannie and Lori) way, but just ask someone.

Marc did with Gerry but then told the others.

Is discussion in the house out of the question?

Niceguy

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thinking about this thread I'm probably asking for a better class of people to be playing.

How could I neglect to mention Josh. I think because Josh was booted so early I don't see him as bad. He wasn't as determined to undermine as Danielle and Roddy were.

Danielle's style was unprecedented as well(I'm not bashing here, this is documented).

Its the idea of the slippery slope from Danielle's example that concerns me.

Groucho

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Last year we had Justin and Shannon. I don't think any of this year's HGs approach them in sheer vileness.

John32070

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What about Lisa's blatant and uncalled for accusations of Gerry? Regardless of whether she wins or not, I hope once out of the house someone or a whole lot of people make it known to her how wrong she is about him and really question her on just why she said all that. Eric is just mad because he feels betrayed by Gerry for evicting him, but Lisa's deal goes far deeper and quite frankly, I find it far more disturbing than the things that Danielle has done/said. If I were Gerry, I would vote for Danielle but say only because her family would benefit as I know he don't want to vote for her anyway.

Chiparock

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How quickly we forget Nicole! Aside from Justin, she was arguably the most mentally unbalanced and potentially violent HG ever. A couple of her threats to Will: she threatened to slice his wrists -- vertically, so the maximum amount of damage would be done. She bragged about learning this technique in "Juvie," where she apparently spent some of her youth.

She also threatened to cut off Will's head and poop down his neck!

The only reasons she was able to finish the game was because of psychotherapy and drugs. That wasn't playing the game, that was sedation. She SO didn't deserve even the $50,000. [Obviously I'm still P.O.'d that she got that money and Monica got diddley.]

... climbing off soapbox now ....

Letmeinthere

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd like to see less of the twenty-somethings who come from middle class america. Their contestants should fall into more age categories and backgrounds.

Gidget

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now that I think about it, if you require psychiatric drugs you should bring them with you. If you need Xanax bring it. BB should not supply it. Just like they wouldn't give Marcie his alcohol. It was cope or get out. And the same way they said they were supplying drinks. If you can't stand Amy on booze vote her out.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the hot tub. If you can't stand the houseguest, boot their a$$

Bluemomba

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is a comentary not a bash: There is a big differance between "verbal interaction" and verbal abuse. Last years Nicole and this years' Danielle and Marc, engaged in violent verbal abuse, made worse because most of it was done behind the victim's backs with no way to defend themselves until they saw the tapes. Behavior like this should never never be rewarded.

What555456

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Thinking about this thread I'm probably asking for a better class of people to be playing."

Niceguy

Do you think a brtter class of people would even want to go on this show? Isn't that like askng for a better class of people on Ricki Lake? I don;t think better class of people wouldn't even consider it.

Bastable

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This whole BB3 series was all about confusing MORALITY with PLAYING THE GAME.

Csnog, so what if Josh lied? Who cares? You do what you have to do to win. Look at Will.

Roddy and Marcellas tried, and failed, to convince everyone that the game was about being the nicest (read: most popular) person possible. The Dani haters on the board seem to have forgotten Will completely. It never was and never will be about morality. It's about doing what it takes to survive.

Then again, accusing people of immorality is even more American than hot dogs and apple pie.

Gidget

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder what your definition of a better class is? We are all naked without our clothes.

Secretsmile

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 03:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have been deep in thought about this thread since I read it earlier. I do think that since the HG's signed papers saying they wouldn't sue each other, they have to expect some of what they got this year.

There were some 'key' character assisinations going on this year in my opinion, and to think people will go lower next year is troubling.

I agree with freedom of speech. I don't believe I can personally judge where the line should be drawn, but I do also believe there should have been a line.

An adult woman calling a man a 'pedophile' because he noticed what she was displaying in my view is DEFINATELY past the line.

I want to say Amy calling Chiara a wh*** was too, but dang it Chiara kept calling herself a wh*** first, so I'm not sure how far past the line that went. I wish Chiara hadn't called herself a wh*** so often, but she opened the door so to speak. (I'm also reminded of the names Chiara called Amy, so perhaps that influences my opinion)

Danielle's never ending characterizations of many people does to me go over the line. Lori was not insane, Tonya was not an unfit mother, Gerry was not gross, Roddy was not the devil, Amy was not an alcoholic, nor a sl*t.

It's my belief that people should be held accountable for their actions. Should BB have warned them not to repeat such things, I don't know. Should they have been given penalities for going over the line, my heart says yes, but my mind doesn't know how to place that line fairly.

As Always, this is just my opinion

Tweepee

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 03:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
no matter what, this year was still not as scandalous as last year, what with autumn "sleeping" with mike, krista and the knife, shannon and the toothbrush, and every lie will told.

so the idea that this show is getting more rowdy really doesn't bear out. if anything, this year it was much less rowdy--downright civilized.

Groucho

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 03:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"It's my belief that people should be held accountable for their actions."

I think they've been held accountable in the court of public opinion. That's how free speech works.