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DANNI is extremely upset that Roddy thinks she is "soulless",as revealed from tonights hoh comp.:
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Onlyhuman | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:20 am     Let me get this correct... The defense of Danielle calling people names on an unrelenting basis is that EVERYONE else did it. Danielle, who spent weeks calling Roddy "the devil" thinks his calling her soulless is unfair. Roddy, who, in fact, did not often say bad things about people, is asked by BB to give a positive and negative word as part of the game and he is a bad person because of it. Evidently, Roddy chose that particular word because he has lost face with the entire internet community who see through his facade and to punish Danielle for causing him to lose and to save face and because he is a bitter, petty person, along with everyone else who was hurt by the things Danielle said. Wow, it's really a good thing that I dislike Roddy intensely or I might see this as a little unfair and have to feel bad for him. |
Ruditoo | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:23 am     That's just Roddy being Roddy,still trying to destroy for his own personal satisfaction and agenda that has nothing to do with the game(IMO). This time with NTV coverage to fuel his disturbed psyche as usual aiming straight for the heart to not only sway,but to inflict pain. He would have been just as brutal with Amy or anyone that is his mark. I pray when Danielle gets back to the real world she will consider the source and realize not everyone can be swayed by this type of individual. I's so sad that he was given NTV air time. Just like a female called Sue. Will Mega also comes to mind. |
Gina8642 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:25 am     Seamonkey said about Dani badmouthing (my word) other HGs: She just doesn't seem to be able to control it. Exactly!!!! This is why she hasn't played the best game. If she could have controlled this aspect of her personality, she would be WAY more likely to win the grand prize than she is now. |
Monalisa | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:25 am     Only, I had no problem with Dani calling Roddy the Devil, and I have no problem with Roddy calling Dani soulless. I do think that Dani was speaking in terms of the game, I think she made that clear. I also think that Roddy's was a stab. But, I don't have a problem with what either said. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:27 am     Onlyhuman...you yourself said it is "human nature to see only the hurt done to you and not the hurt you caused." So yes...I believe that some self delusion is at work and that human nature is guiding the thoughts and actions of those who not only had their feelings hurt but were also quite actively participating in the same behaviors. I believe that is petty. Someone with real strength of character would not only be willing to admit their own mistakes and ask for forgiveness but would be willing to give forgiveness for the same infractions. And while I don't agree with Danielle's trash talking I find it difficult to condemn her and her ONLY for this behavior. I also believe that there is MUCH more to her, to her character and to her game than the trash talking. For me, I am looking at the person at a whole and not selectively focusing on only the flaws. |
Maris | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:29 am     Danni has an incredible obsession about Roddy which did not leave when he was evicted from the game. She still talks about him endlessly. I think it is mostly out of a feeling of insecurity. Danni feels very insecure about her not going to college and I think she felt intellectually intimidated by him. I suspect that long after Danni leaves the house and buys her new car or whatever, she will still carry on about Roddy in an obsessive way. He will always be her target. |
Hermione69 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:35 am     See, I think that Dani's trash-talking was a bigger part of her personality than it was of many of the others and that's why it is getting so much focus. If you talk about looking at Dani as a whole person, well, I look at Dani as a whole person and trash-talking is one of the descriptions that leaps to my mind. With Jason and Lisa, that does not readily leap to my mind because Jason and Lisa did NOT trash talk nearly as much as Dani did. Yes, cou can trot out the argument aboout Lisa putting down Gerry and Amy, but she was never close to them and while that doesn't excuse it, Dani trash-talked the very people that she pretended to be close with. I don't think it is that people think everyone else is innocent, but that Dani was worse. |
Niceguy | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:40 am     Hmmmmm. Another fascinating thread. Sore loser...Karmic justice. Television and the Internet are powerful mediums. When commonfolk are briefly elevated to speak their minds on these two instruments of mass communications there can be unforeseen consequences. Its impossible to determine what kind of people Dani and Roddy will become because of their public verbal lancings of each other. They'll likely move on very well. They've also learned something that they would've never encountered in their regular lives. Roddy learned he can't take his gender or social class for granted anymore. That someone completely unlike him(an intellectual inferior)can best him. Dani(I think)is learning that even winning can have a downside. Particularly if the way that you won leaves you open to attacks after the victory. IMO. |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:53 am     Wcv, I so don't want to turn this thread into another "Was Danielle wrong for trashing the other HGs" but I just have to say this one thing. In my book, Danielle is just as self-deluded about her behavior as Roddy. When talking about the things she has done in the house, she spoke about the alliances she made and broke and the lying she did. She even commented on the fact that she didn't like Amy at first and said bad things about her, but then she grew to love her. She made no mention of the mocking, insulting imitations she had been doing of Amy the last week Amy was in the house or all of the other things she was saying that week about Amy every time she left the room. She also felt that Gerry had nothing to hold against her. Huh??? I definitely didn't get that one. Danielle either believes that making mean comments about people behind their backs is not wrong or it is just such a part of her normal behavior that she doesn't realize how hurt others would be if they saw it. The reason that Danielle doesn't understand being called soulless is because she thinks she is so open and loving and has people's best interests at heart, the same way Roddy thinks he is "ethical" and "moral" and Marcellas thinks he played the game with "kindness". That kind of unwillingness to truly look at her own behavior and learn from it, while criticizing the behavior of others just annoys me. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:59 am     Onlyhuman...I guess we are both annoyed just at different people. Thank you for your response. I am truly not trying to excuse Dani's behavior but merely explain my own reactions to it and why I am still 100% in her corner despite it. |
Jaysgal | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:01 am     The truth is, Roddy's statement bugs Danielle like hell because she knows it is true. People hardly get affected with what is not true about them. I think Danielle has felt sometimes that she had no heart. She herself battles that issue. And Roddy stating it hit a nail. She's the type of cold-hearted person who only feels affected when what is done or said is about her or affects her directly and significantly. Tearing is an easy breeze for her without genuine feeling. It is not easy for a caring person to put on a cold-hearted behaviour on a game. She by her admission said that she thought of herself as cold-hearted until she, according to her claim, cried during the Eric and Lisa nomination. If it was not true about her, it would not have been an easy breeze for Jason, especially, to put her picture as the person Roddy spoke about. |
Mellbell416 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:03 am     You know, it is interesting to compare Josh's reactions now to Roddy's - I actually like Josh a lot better now that he has left because he has been honest about his misbehaviours and he has an appreciation of the fact that this is only a game - that it is not real life. He seems a lot happier now. He appreciates that Dani is a great game player and doesn't appear to hold a grudge about not being in the game anymore. Roddy, on the other hand, started out bitter on Day 1 of eviction and continues to be that way today. His PR techniques suck. |
Costacat | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:03 am     I find it amusing that Danielle is upset at Roddy's calling her "soulless." I, too, firmly believe that Danielle has a slightly modified perception of her reality, and that her perception doesn't quite coincide with REAL reality. She doesn't think she'd lied (but she did go back on her word). She doesn't think she said anything negative about Gerry. Karmic justice? You betcha. |
Maryk | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:10 am     I thought soulless was the positive quality that Roddy said about Danielle. Thats how she played the game, without soul. Isn't she the one who keeps saying its not personal, its just all business? |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:12 am     I think Roddy's remark was just fine. What surprises me is how so many people want to defend Dani's devil remarks by saying they are just jokes, even when she prayed to her god to help her defeat the devil. Now, when Roddy uses a term that is pretty much equal in negativity ("the devil" versus "soulless"...pretty close to tha same, in a spiritual way)....well, when Roddy does it, he is a revengeful sore loser, practically evil incarnate. Let's step back and look at this. Why is Roddy judged to such a higher standard than Dani was? Roddy did no more than play (when calling her "soulless") within the parameters that DANI put in place. Does anyone think that Roddy would have remarked on Dani's religious beliefs had Dani not taken their rivalry to that level? Last night I saw Dani mention that she felt that she just KNEW that Roddy would probably ask her a question like "How were you able to reconcile your religious beliefs as a christian with the way you played the game?" (PP) She said that she already had a perfect answer for him. (Too bad she didn't tell us what that answer was!) In any case, she is already justifying her game playing behavior in her own mind, to get ready to answer Roddy's anticipated question. The thing is, I don't feel Dani's game playing is in question...she was stratgically a great player, but her trash talking created a really bad (and deserved) reputation that will detract from the kudos she earned she earned by her game playing. JMO |
Zeyna | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:13 am     Wcv, you said that you believe there is much more to Dani than trash talking and you are looking for a person as a whole, not focusing on the flaws. I respect that. Why would you not extend the same to Roddy? He called her soulless, she called him the devil - one is taken as a bitter comment and the other is excused. Are you suggesting that he does not have strength of character because he's not being forgiving in this instance? I guess everything in this game is a matter of perception and we all excuse certain behavious and condemn others based on our own preferences. |
Beegee | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:16 am     I admire much about Danielle's strategy -- probably the only thing I really dislike is her talking behind people's backs about personal, nongame issues. However, Roddy's description of her as "soulless" seems quite accurate -- maybe not about Danielle as the whole person, but about Danielle as the game player. And it doesn't necessarily have to be taken as an insult. She has said herself over and over -- "nothing personal, only business." Danielle has repeatedly stated one way or another that she is attempting to divorce feeling from the game, in essence, she has tried to play with her head and not her heart/soul. She has a soul -- we've witnessed some expressions of true feeling -- but she has purposely tried not to let it interfere with the business of the game. |
Maris | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:18 am     any expressions of true feeling have ended up with stabbing the person in the back. |
Rissa | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:22 am     Sanfranjoshfan "Why is Roddy judged to such a higher standard than Dani was?" It's a great question and for me I see them as pretty equal. They were (IMO) the two best game players in the house and for me, it would have been great if they had been the two at the end. But to answer your question... for me, it's because Roddy puts HIMSELF on a higher moral plain. I see Dani being much closer to realistic (not there, but closer) about how she played, why she played this way. Since he has put himself on the higher pedestal? Well, you know the saying. LOL |
Cassie | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:25 am     Maris <snip> Which proves they were NOT true feelings. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:28 am     Zeyna: "I guess everything in this game is a matter of perception and we all excuse certain behavious and condemn others based on our own preferences." That's it exactly. I know what it's like to be a mother. I know what it's like to want to give my family the security and comfort of a home. I know what it's like to feel swallowed up in the identities of wife and mother until you feel like "you" are disappearing. I know what it is like to question the stability and love of a spouse. I know what it is like to feel fear and uncertainty and to have to be the one take control of my own destiny. I know what it is like to have flaws. I know what it is like to fall down over and over and have to struggle through the obstacle course of life. That's why I am willing to overlook her flaws. I know what it is like. |
Bmh | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:29 am     At least Danielle has the guts to admit..she wasn't exactly the nicest woman in the game..she admits her faults and isn't trying to deny them..She knows she did wrong..even with believing the souless comment wasn't right..she has already said she knows she wont win because of her DR entries and the comments she has made and that is fair..I respect her for realizing the truth Whereas Roddy seems to be in his own little world and wont admit he lied alot more than he actually thought in the game..He always talks about how he wanted to play this game honestly..well obviously he went wrong somewhere cuz there are numerous sites saying that Roddy did lie I even can think of some off the top of my head..He still believes he was one of the "good guys" in this game when in fact he is right with Dani but doesn't want to believe it... whats worse is..that I find ppl expecting you to sacrifice themselves for someone else more offensive than trash talking..trashing is trashing anyway you look at it..but for Roddy to actually think Amy should have layed down for Roddy is just plain ridiculous..he is a hypocrite too..the list just gets longer and longer with this guy **Note this is just my opinion |
Hawaiiandew | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:48 am     I think Dani is admitting that she was soulless during this game. I don't think she is holding a grudge against Roddy for calling her soulless. She is just saying it over and over to herself to see how she can get past that word soulless affecting the vote. She is trying now to pump herself up for an intellectual question Roddy may throw at her. Remember she gives Roddy props for being "good" when it comes to playing with your mind. Dani knows that Roddy has the power to persuade the other evicted houseguests and now she has to think of a way to get the other houseguests to see her view and vote for her to win. I think the game will be won based upon how they answer these last questions from the jury. I hope she keeps her focus and comes away with the prize! |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:51 am     Wcv, I am annoyed with Marcellas and Roddy as well. I'm annoyed with Chiara, Josh and Tonya as well. They just don't happen to be in the house right now where they can repeatedly do things to irritate me. |
Wiseolowl | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:54 am     Danni isn't soulless. Otherwise she would't being experiencing the guilt which she now is - with ample justification. But when you label the way she did , it's hardly surprising that your victim does't reply in kind. |
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