Archive through September 20, 2002
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Dani -- The Most Trustworthy of The All?:
Archive through September 20, 2002
Scorpiomoon | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:46 am     UGGGGGH! Someone beat me to it! |
Itsallgood | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:47 am     sorry Scorpiomoon ;-) I saw the 99 and thought what the heck! LOL That's #2 for me. lol |
Cindyluvsroddy | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:49 am     Well, whatever each of our opinion of Dani's behavoir is just that - each of our own opinions... The one big key element of this game is to win votes from the jury at the end of this game ... Dani's constant use of name calling - making fun of - and other antics about other HG's will cost her the game ... call it what u want - but again, a MAJOR part of the game is to win the votes in the end ... it is my observation that her level of, amount of, volume of, consistant use of, etc... of this behavior - will cost her the game .. Dani has failed on this element what a shame |
Hawaiiandew | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:53 am     I think Dani only failed because she is not as funny in her DR as Will was... cause it worked for him in the end. Okay so it also helped that the person sitting next to him had a complete mental breakdown <shrug> |
What555456 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:56 am     Cindy I am not so sure you are reading things right. On another thread, I have posted how I see the votes stacking up right now basedon the most recent comments about from HG's (not ones from weeks ago). Based on these, it seems to me Dani has 3 of the 5 votes she needs -- Amy's, Josh's and Lisa's/Jason's (Depending on which one stays). Only needs 2 more. Lisa has one vote -- Eric's and needs four more. Jason has no votes -- so needs five. Much can still happen -- including who is eliminated from voting. But it seems to me, Dani is, right now, in the lead. |
Monalisa | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:56 am     Cindy, I agree that it will probably cost her the game. I don't think enough of the hg's will judge based on who played the best game. Josh (the substitute teacher) absolutely should. Gerry may. I hope Amy will. Other than that, I think the rest will be all about revenge. |
Groucho | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:57 am     I understand your point, What, but I disagree with your description of it as "trustworthy". I would call it loyalty, not trustworthiness. I think Dani's been very loyal to Lisa and especially Jason. She's quite possibly been the most loyal player in the house who was playing the game to any extent. (Though Jason is up there too.) But I don't think she's been all that trustworthy. You say, "If you are trustworthy to everyone, you are trustworthy to no one." I disagree. To me, being trustworthy is about being open and honest, regardless of the situation, regardless of the people involved, regardless of whether it is to your advantage or not. Dani clearly hasn't been these things to many folks in the house. Which is not a criticism, btw -- deception is a big part of the game, and I admire the way that Dani has played in that regard. Now, if you'd said "If you are loyal to everyone, you are loyal to no one," I'd agree. |
What555456 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:00 pm     Groucho -- I think I can accept your point. Not sure I agree 100%, but it makes sense to me. |
Cindyluvsroddy | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:03 pm     playing the BEST game includes if a player was nasty or calling other HG's names behind their backs ... that is PART of the game ... dont u see that? in order to win the jury u need them to want to vote for u ... calling a jury member a needless hurtful name doesnt get u votes ... what - Amy has not had time to see the videos of Dani trashing talking her etc .. we will see how she feels after viewing them |
What555456 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:08 pm     But Cindy I think she is winning the jury votes. Each juror will vote based on whatever criteria they think is most important. Right now, it appears she has three votes and only needs two more. We all have to be careful not to assume the jurors will judge as we judge. Some may, other's won't. But Dani does seem to be closing in on getting a majority of the juror's votes and there is only a few days left. |
Monalisa | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:10 pm     If Amy can get over what her supposed best friend said about her, then she can surely get past Dani's comments. |
Cindyluvsroddy | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:11 pm     i do not think that dani is winning jury votes ... at all |
Cindyluvsroddy | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:13 pm     Amy will be very hurt from what alot of the HG's said about her behind her back .. at least marcy said it to her face |
Hawaiiandew | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:14 pm     What...... I sure hope you are right about the jurors. Got my fingers and toes crossed. |
Crazydog | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:15 pm     What555, as I've stated on another thread, Dani has two votes, Josh and Amy. If she is in the finals with Lisa, Jason's vote is cancelled. If she is in the finals with Jason, she may not even get Lisa's vote after Lisa sees how willing Dani was to immediately renege on the rubber boat deal. Assuming she has Josh and Amy, she needs three more votes. Two more votes would give her 4 of 8 and in the event of a tie it is clear she would lose America's Choice. |
What555456 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:16 pm     Cindy, how can you say she is not getting votes? Josh said this morning on TV he wants her to win. Vote 1. Amy said last night she wants Dani to win. Vote 2. And both Lisa and Jason have said they would want Dani to win -- Jason even over himself. Vote 3. That's 3 of the 5 right there. She only needs 2 more. Yep, it all can change. But other than Eric who will vote for Lisa, has any other evicted HG said who they will vote for recently? Or are we just going on what they all said several weeks ago? |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:17 pm     She doesn't have Lisa's vote...yet. She doesn't have Amy's vote.......yet. I will go out on a limb and say that Jason will be able to secure Chiara, Roddy, Lori, Gerry, Tonya, Danielle, Marcellas, Eric if Jason is up against Danielle. I will also go further. Danielle has virtually NO CHANCE of winning $500,000. She has lost this game. |
Crazydog | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:20 pm     I agree fully with Woodpecker. There is no way Danielle will win. Those of you who support her can try to come up with theories but IMO it's a lost cause. What555, although no one has said they will vote for Lisa, we are going on how many people do not like Danielle. |
Onlyhuman | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:21 pm     I am very confused by this thread. I thought the topic was whether Danielle was the most trustworthy HG but it seems to be about Danielle deserving to win the money, which I thought was an argument in a different thread. I'm not trying to point fingers or anything, but what are we debating exactly? |
What555456 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:21 pm     You may be right, Wood. But I would not be so confident as to bet against her roght now based on what the first few evicted HG's now being interviewed are beginning to say. |
What555456 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:26 pm     Crazydog I understand that is how you are all counting the votes. The votes I am counting right now are based on Josh who said he wants her to win, and three others (two votes) -- Amy, Lisa/Jason -- who like her and have said they want her to win if they do not. I am just not so sure with the others whether or not they 1) still dislike her all that much after the several weeks since they made their comments and 2) whether that will be the criteria they will use to vote. |
What555456 | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:27 pm     Well, Only --as with most conversations it has drifted from the original topic. Feel free to brng us back though. |
Jaysgal | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:28 pm     Wendo, Danielle was not up to solving the problem. If she was, she didn't need to pass it on to the whole house as if she had caught someone stealing. She could have approached him in a very friendly manner and even a joking manner and enquired about washing hands. Danielle knows how to sweet talk. She's done that with Amy, Josh and others. She could have done the same with Gerry. If someone had an issue with,say, my yard, I would expect them to come first to me before going to my entire neighbourhood and gossipping about me. If I didn't respond or if I was aggressive, then it would make a case to go to other neighbours as a collective group, starting with couple of neighbours to hear their opinions. Hygiene was something that affected everyone, so telling him, especially in a friendly manner, would be very justified, perhaps whilst someone else was there to witness it. Marcellas did just that, even though he had engaged in mocking Gerry before then. And when Marcellas spoke of confronting Gerry about it, he was discouraged from doing so. [What:] "So many of you attack Dani for not being honest with others but then say her being so honest is the DR will be her downfall." Not I. I am certainly not a fan of Danielle and I never liked her from the start because I've never been attracted to gossips. I find gossips threatening and like devils in my life. I run away from them like crazy in real life, and even on the 'net. I know what harm gossips can cause. They are usually women, they are usually mothers, they usually start with being so nice to you and trying to befriend you. If you don't give them the response they want (i.e., accepting their claims and revealing everything about yourself), they would make you the talk of town. Danielle didn't just adapt to the environment with the gossipping tactic. She is of that nature <period>. And then those who often accept them perceive them as mother figures, believe everything the gossip leader says and do as she suggests. The real deal is always to start pretending to be very friendly and motherly. I would evict Danielle before I evicted Josh even. Josh was just a lousy houseguest. And the fact that he was lousy made people know about him already and take his words with a grain of salt. So, as much as I was irritated with him, he was hardly dangerous. The true gossip pretends to be nicest in front of people until they've formed a ring big enough.... Don't get me wrong, there is such thing as good or healthy gossipping. I am speaking of evil gossipping, unhealthy; the type that aims at making the other party's life miserable and to uplift the gossip's spirit. Professional gossipping basically. My beef with Danielle is her conduct in the house, not the DR. I couldn't care the least about what people say in the DR. I don't think most houseguests care. They don't even need to see the DR, for watching things she did in the house alone is sufficient to make a case against her. |
Woodpecke® | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:29 pm     She is done, What. Zero chance. Her last chance was to show some grit and determination and win that HOH challenge last night and impress some people. She wimped out and lied to Lisa. She didn't rest enough before the challenge while Amy and Lisa were snoozing all morning on Thursday. She will be on the jury and she will be a vote for Jason. Even if she ends up winning HOH, she will find a way to insult someone and lose another vote or 2. |
Cmore | Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:42 pm     I totally agree Wood, Dani has no chance and thinking otherwise is just wishful thinking. Of the 4 HG's segment on last nites show, 3 of them expressed distaste for Dani, Lori, Tonya, Roddy. Eric didn't really say, but I think he is doubtful. Marc won't vote for Dani, its doubtful that jerry would, chi probably won't based on the Roddy thing, Amy may not after watching the tapes, not only because of the bad things Dani said about Amy, but also because she will find out about Dani backstabbing her So called friend Marc. I just don't see any lite at the end of the tunnel for Dani and I don't think she has any chance at all. |
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