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Maris

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 06:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you sanfran, now spread the word!!!!!!!! They will listen to you.

Buxombabe

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Plain and simple Good vs. Evil....once again Good outwins....you play mean and evil, and talk behind peoples back you lose. Like Dani said, what you see is what you get..the real me!!! She is such an arrogant idiot! Thats why good won! Its a great example, i only wish that Dani would have felt some sort of guilt in doing the wrong she did to others.

Keiffer

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When it comes to bashing other HG's then everyone is right, Danny did just the same things that a number if not all the HG;s did themselves.

What she did that was different was use things to get the house against a person, when in fact she was doing the same if not worse. For example:

Roddy is the Devil because he manpulates perople.

Marcy had to go because he is untrustworthy

Amy should not drink because she cantrol herself when she does.

Chiara is a bad person because of her vote against Marcy.... oops I mean Lisa

Tonya is a bad mom because her vanity when it comes to her body (someone say hypocracy?)

Danny is the one who went on and on about people promising things, giving their word, and such while all the time was not practicing what she said. Very few besides Roddy and Danny made a big deal about trustfullness, and in fact she behaved opposite.

Draheid

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm...my conclusion. Well, for one thing, I think Lisa proved that getting bitten in the butt doesn't always turn out to be a bad thing!! :O

Keiffer

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Draheid... if she needs any more of THAT type of help I am willing to lend any help I can.

Loppes

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 08:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer,
Stand in line buddy, I claimed her 3 months ago.
Lon

Maris

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well y'all better watch out what ya are bitin there. I think ink is poisonous.

Coaster266

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 08:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, your own words show the cultural mindset Dani had working against her. Will was a "royal pain in the butt" a "mischievous kid" who "drove his mother nuts". We should excuse Will's behavior because he had a case of "arrested development". Sounds like a regular Dennis the Menace. Would your ever describe woman like that?

Maris

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 08:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Coaster that would be AMY!!!!!!!!!!! Dani was <mod>. Big difference.
(c)

Coaster266

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, you are right of course. Dani was a <mod>woman, who won $50,000 but Will was a <mod>man who won $500,000. As you say..."Big difference".

Avrey258

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris,
Evil is Usama Bin-Laden. Chill out! Don't understand why we can't like Danielle. I don't feel guilty at all for supporting the better player. I also never said anything bad about Lisa. She won. Ho-Hum. I happen to think Dani was the better player.

If I wanted to watch a "GOOD" show then I would stick to Touched By An Angel...but I don't. This is real life.

Avrey258

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
By the way, isn't it funny that some people keep saying that Dani lied. Of course she lied. Was she the only one? Absolutely not. I think she played the best game and most of the jury whined their way to the vote..blaming all their misfortunes on Danielle. Bunch of babies. Hopefully they are finding out how silly alot of people think they acted.

Loppes

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 08:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Avrey258,
Lol, I thought Jason was kind of "Touched By An Angel", Della Reese? has nothing on Jason. :)
Lon

Llkoolaid

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 09:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Amy wanted to be "Touched by and Angel".

Don't bash I like Amy and I don't blame her.

Oregonfire

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 09:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not even an angel could touch Jason before marriage.

Whit4you

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 10:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Coaster - all your talk about sexism reminds me of many of my girlfriends... they believe in equal rights in the bedroom, equal rights in the boardroom... insist they are not sexist and that men and women are created equal... and yet...

If the guy doesn't offer to pay her way when they go out on a date.. he's 'cheap' LOL.

I've always found it funny how we fought for equal rights in every aspect of life...except for that :) Where's the movement to demand that dating should always be DUTCH because we are equals... unless or until say you have been involved for a long time and then ya'all decide whoever makes more tends to pay more or whatever.

Till then it should be 100% equal and not in any way assumed the guy should pay... ironically it's not and ironically if a GUY were to suggest that to a date...omg...how tacky would that be? How cheap would he seem to imply that it should be dutch because he wouldn't want to assume they are not equals ya know?

I'm still looking for the activist group on this... why aren't most women offended by this 18th century tradition...? Two guesses and the first one don't count LOL.

If you are in search of the truely non-sexist society - you can start there. Start a grassroots movement on that..

Don't expect much popularity from women for this agenda though... my friends used to get so irritated with me when I'd say that in front of oru dates... um gee maybe they should have brought their wallet LOL.

Life is so funny - since you seem to be looking for sexist people... thought I'd point you to a few million of em...........:)

FYI - I am sure most guys would support your cause - :)

Coaster266

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 07:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit4you - Thanks for your dissertation on the evils of men paying for a date. I don't see what that has to do with my observation that there are roles that our society will not accept a women playing. Dani played the lovable cad, which Will won playing at last year, and she was rejected for it. IMO if a man had played the exact same game as Dani he would have received more the 1 vote.

Ocean_Islands

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 07:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the paying for a date is considered a 'gift' -- can you see that possibility?

Women don't like your idea because they want a free ride.

Now, I can see paying for the first one, and then your date paying for the next one, but that is unlikely to be popular either. Oh well. Life is a b!tch and then you die.

Ginger

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, I don't know what you're referring to when you mention me in your post. I didn't even post anything and I am the last one to get personal here! On the contrary, I have always loved reading your posts, so please clarify why you are naming me as someone who is offensive.

As for Dani's choices, for me it comes down to the fact that she played a fabulous game when it came to strategizing to get people out and avoid being nominated, but a horrible game when it came to keeping those ousted at least remotely on her side. She said something in one of the interviews that I found interesting, a point which I think has been overlooked. When asked why she was so deceitful she said that she thought everyone else was being that way too. Of course others WERE being that way, but not to the extent that Dani was, only she didn't know it. She really worked people, and in the DR she congratulated herself for having worked them. This was too much for her fellow HGs, and it was really too much when she repeated that she had no regrets about what she'd said. This cost her the game.

I agree with others who have noted that sexism plays a role in this (a point which I believe is not related to the sexual and financial dynamics of a date, though I think that discussion is of value, it just doesn't apply here in my mind). I am not saying that she didn't win only because she is female, but rather it is much harder for us to accept women who take on non-nurturing roles, such as Dani did. It's like when you meet a divorced woman who does not have custody of her young children. It's hard not to feel at least of twinge of "what's wrong with her?" Whereas we as a culture are perfectly accepting of divorced men who do not live with their children. That's the dynamic I see at work here.

Ginger

Ginger

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oops! Now I see that you were referring to Ginger1218, Wendo, when you wrote "Ginger." I get it now, and am relieved.

But please...everyone...could you possibly use Ginger1218's full name from now on, since my name is Ginger? This has happened a few times here and I always feel a bit dragged in to things that have nothing to do with me. Thanks and peace to everyone.

Wendo

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ginger (above), my earlier post wasn't referring to you but ANOTHER Ginger's post (Ginger1218, post at Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 06:33 pm; it's one archive back now). Sorry about that, I should've included the entire username. My mistake and I apologize for the confusion. :)

Wendo

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ginger, you're absolutely right, I should've used the entire username. Again, I am so sorry about that. My mistake entirely.

Ginger

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No problem, Wendo. :)

Whit4you

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 09:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Coaster - sexism seems to be a personal cause for you - so I was giving you the most glaring example of sexism in our society today. Like I said the cause is in serious need of a grassroots movement...

We could get into a discussion here about how people treat boys and raise boys differently then girls - and how society treats them differently - and you believing this is a case of that is fine... but sexism has nothing to do with this case for me. Marc is a male... and I can't even type my opinion of him here because it'd just get moderated anyhow - so no I don't find that sort of behavior acceptable for a male or a female.... and I have 0 doubt that had it been Marc and Danielle in the finals the vote would have been 9-1 in Danielles favor, so it's not about her being a female .. it's about the way Dani treated her so-called friends behind their back.

I can tell you one thing I'd hate to be one of Dani's old friends right now, I'd spend most my time wondering what she's said about me behind my back, and if she imitates me and mocks me everytime I'm out of sight.

I bring up the dating issue with you because you seem so intent on labeling people sexists - so I was just giving you a few million people you can label as such.

While we are at it - we could talk about how many young women move in with a guy - and not work... seems pretty ok. A young guy moving in with a woman and not working? There's a whole list of labels for that sort of guy in this society.

So yes sexism exsists and there are many examples of things that are 'ok for women' but not 'ok for men' - when that tide turns ... then I'd focus on how it's not ok for a woman to act like Dani did - but it is for a male. (or so you say)

Cricket

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Wendo, I happen to agree with your stance on Dani and I'm not in any 'fantasyland.' To me the evicted houseguests think they are all in a fairytale.

Earthmother stated:
"It would not surprise me one bit if Marc and Roddy set out to get a unanimous vote but couldn't get Jason to play into their pettiness game. Those two were so into voting to evict on a unanimous front it sickened me. Eric was a non issue and so was Chiara, they voted for Loveeeeeeee....gag me!!"

Earthmother, you brought up something that has been bugging me on BB3. I wish next year anyone who 'demands or plays for' a unanimous vote or tries to coerce the other houseguests to vote in any certain way would be immediately kicked out of the house. That is what bugged me about this year's snobby clique. Why was it necessary to be like Hitler and demand everyond do as you say. Chiara was horrible when she was HOH.

I have to give Dani credit for always saying "Let the house decide." It amazed me that the HOH people thought everyone had to vote the way they were told. This really made the game boring and left no suspense whatsoever.

Poor Amy got royally chewed out by Marcellus just because she wanted 1 person to vote for her to stay in the house. I just don't get it. HOH should not be allowed to call everyone in to see who to nominate and they should not be allowed to steer the vote.


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