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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Archive THREE : Implications for BB4? will hgs be afraid to "play the game?": Archive through September 25, 2002

Rain

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Since someone like Lisa won, who is perceived as being "nice", and Danielle's gamemanship was punished, will that mean that future hg's will be more boring?

What implications does it have for future shows? Diary room behavior? Alliances?

Gidget

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Next year will be interesting because houseguests will really have to put their brains in gear to come up with new strategies. Stop imitating Will. And Lisa didn't win because she was nice (I'm thrilled none the less). Lisa won because Dani's strategy didn't play with this group. Every group is different. That's why Will won. That's why Dani lost.

Mystery

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle's gamesmanship was not punished. Her gratuitous meanness was. I hope that future HGs will actually know something about how the show works before they apply. It'll be enough for me if future HGs realize that it would behoove them to try to win the final HOH competitions rather than bargain to be taken into the finals by HGs who can easily beat them for the big money.

Flier

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani's gamesmanship wasn't punished; her general nastiness was.

Bigbrotherbelle

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe next year people will realize that they can't just excel at one aspect of the game, they should play not only in the house to get people kicked out, but also for the JURY VOTES. Constantly bashing the people she expected to vote for her was probably the dumbest move of the game. It's right up there w/Marc not using the veto.

Rain

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
mystery--where were you during the boat game? Dani stayed in there for over 4 hours. Certainly you aren't criticizing her for that.

And by the way, Dani wasn't any meaner than anyone else in that house. I remember distinctly Lisa saying some incredibly terrible things about Gerry. Goodness, Marcellus was wretchedly mean, and at the end both Dani and Lisa were saying he was "beautiful". I don't think thats the word I would describe that man.

Gramma

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Diary Room tapes will be boring, phoney and oh so predictable. sigh

Ketchuplover

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
12 mimes.

Hermione69

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BB4-- Will HGs be afraid to play the game?

Not at all. But they WILL realize the end game is just as important as the eviction process. That's the part Dani lost her focus on.

Jimmer

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Practically everyone, with the exception of Marcellus, left that house thinking well of Danielle. She could have been the best BB player of all time if it wasn't for those nasty DR sessions and behind the back talk. Yes they are mostly hypocrites but Dani could have won this easily if she had just been able to control herself.

Gidget

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not only do the prospective houseguests need to come up with some new strategies, the producers have to work harder at shaking things up too

Beegee

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Mystery and Flier -- the fact that she was clever, hid her alliance, even lied isn't the point. The point is the childish meanness about nongame issues. However, some of the others were mean too.

Will played it ruthlessly but he wasn't mean. He was rewarded.

Puzzled

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani's stragegy would have worked if she had just kept her mouth shut in the DR and not trashed those who had already left.

If she had said she would have played differently and not been so mean, I wonder if she would have gotten one or two more votes.

Turgon

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
they dont have to play to anyone. all they have to do is not talk trash about everyone all the time. you can play this game without making enemies, all you have to do is lie and be nice. if people get mad at you for lying in the context of this game theres something wrong.

Mystery

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rain, I was probably right where you were, watching that boat game. Staying 4 hours doesn't count if you're just going to drop the key. She didn't have the willpower to win; Lisa did. Danielle settled for being taken to the finals instead of helping Jason so that both of them could make it.

You're perfectly free to believe that Danielle's gamesmanship was punished if you don't want to believe that it was her actions and personality. Neither one of us is going to convince the other.

Weseeall

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani did not lose because of the way she played the game...she lost because of the hateful things she constantly spewed about others in and outside the house. She seemed to be in complete denial of any of that talk though, since all she appeared to worry about, waiting for the voting to take place, was lieing in the game.

Many of the ones that voted against her must be in the same denial regarding the things they said while in the house too.

Lisa, IMO, equaled Dani's hatefulness with just the Gerry remarks. I'm very disappointed in BB this year and wish I hadn't wasted so much time on these people. :(

Cc1976

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gidget, I disagree, Will and Dani were very different. I think Danielle was more like Nicole and that's why she lost.

I don't think the majority of HG last year really felt like Will was their friend and he was going to look out for them. But that's how they felt
about Danielle.

That was the brilliance of Richard on Survivor, the best reality game show player ever. He played the game great, he had the alliance to get him through. Danielle played the game well and had the alliance to get her to the end.

The difference is that the jury members didn't feel Rich was their friend, he didn't tell them he loved him and convinced them he was on their side. As a result, they didn't feel betrayed by Richard.

But Danielle did. When you convince people that you're their friend and then they hear that you were full of it and bad mouthed them....there's a human element takes over and the last thing you want to do is reward that person with a fortune.

Litafreak

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think this year was a lesson to keep your alliance a secret.... all the alliances were broke except Jason & Dani because they kept it a secret.

Battlestar

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
it wasn't Danielle's gamemanship that was punished. It was her idiotic need to keep talking and talking and talking about people.


SHE WON THE GAME---but she lost the VOTES/ and if you can't keep the votes--too bad so sad

Kminfinity

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I personally don't think Dani said anything meaner or nastier than anyone else... That is a convenient crime to tag on her because they are ashamed to admit that they got played and beat bad by a mastermind. If she had spoken nothing but nicey nice all summer she still would have lost because this bunch of players had no understanding of the game, and a whole lot of sour grapes.....

Mystery

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow, talk about sour grapes

Rain

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In reading these comments, I think I am beginning to see why Dani could never win--her diary room was mean, and that was her downfall. Her and Will from BB2 played a similar game, but Will's diary room was funny and fun and light-heartedly sly.

That diary room makes all the difference.

Azriel

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The HGs will play the same stupid games because, like this year, most of them will be hand picked for their physical charms and their willingness to get raunchy, hook up with a stranger and/or act like a lunatic. Most of them will have never watched BB and some of them will have seen a few episodes and think they know everything. Nahhh, it won't change a thing.

Wendo

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 07:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the only thing I'm afraid of with future BB's would be players not being honest in their diary rooms. That's what they're there for. If all the diary room interviews were like Roddy's or Lisa's for instance, it would be incredibly boring for this viewer. So, I hope that that aspect doesn't change too much. Because, as outside viewers, we learn so much from those diary rooms.

Kminfinity

Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey I tell it like it is....

The truth hurts maybe?