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DANNI is extremely upset that Roddy thinks she is "soulless",as revealed from tonights hoh comp.:
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Caddoh | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:36 am     Yup, Car, and it only took one word from Roddy, to make mush of Dani; Dani spewed out thousands of words about Roddy. Pretty talented, of Roddy, I'd say. My take on Amy's choice of words is that Amy equated "fertile" with being really "ready" for her husband. Amy would choose a euphemism, rather than say it in an unlady-like way. |
Keiffer | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:06 am     I'd like to backup what what Gina said about the words used in the the game. Julie DID say that they asked for one positive word, and one negative word to describe each remaining HG. More than Roddy's choice of negative words I find it interesting with which HG's they chose to use the negative words intead of positive words. I would have found it more interesting to hear what positive word Roddy would have come up for for Danny. Could he have found a "positive" word that was still a cut? |
Betty | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:17 am     So, can we chalk up BB's pick of positive/negative words as more manipulation of the game? |
Gramma | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:36 am     Given that Roddy is an Agnostic, I've been surprised that he was so bothered by his being called the Devil, especially since it was usually said along with a chuckle or an expression/intonation that strongly suggested it was being used for effect. Agnostics aren't ready to commit to there being a God, let alone a devil. In that same line of thinking, an Agnostic choosing the adjective soulless for someone is odd. Seems to me that he was trying for the one adjective that would bother her the most. I'm surprised he doesn't realize that it shows him as being vindictive. |
Twiggyish | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:39 am     Gramma, again the Biblical reference..soulless. I too find it interesting he chose that word. |
Mellbell416 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:44 am     BB may have made the HGs to find a negative word to say about each HG, but most of the HGs were not severe in their word choices. Roddy's use of "soulless" just made him look petty and vindictive. Does the word "class" mean anything to Roddy? He is the sorest loser anywhere! And personally I didn't think that it was all that fitting. Dani is now laughing about it because it was such a ridiculous description, and is generally only applied to people like psychopathic killers and rapists. If he was correctly aiming for the gut, he could have come up with much more apt descriptors. As for Dani calling him the Devil, that was partly a compliment, meaning that he was soo good at working people. Roddy's description, on the other hand, just shows that he is nursing a MONSTER-sized grudge and is not mature enough to get over it. |
Gidget | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:47 am     When I was watching the show I immediately thought the evicted hg were given a list of adjectives to choose from, pre-ordained by bb. Did anyone else get that impression? |
Keiffer | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:48 am     People can say that Danny is just laughing it off, and that she is not upset by being called souless.... but it seems to me if you truly are not that broke up or worried about it then you wouldn't keep talking about for hours and hours. I watched the feeds last night for three hours after the show, and Danny must have brought it up at least 10 times. Maybe not upset about it, but for she obsesed about it. BTW, I like them not being able to cancel out voted because it allowed thme to talk a great deal more last night about people. |
Hermione69 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:57 am     I think Roddy just wanted to get that dig at Danielle and like many people said, he hit on the one word that would get in her head the most. His being an agnostic doesn't have anything to do with his choice of words. I also don't really see why it shouldn't upset him that she called him the devil just because he is an agnostic. It was the intent and insult behind it, which were more powerful given that the source of the comment was a Christian. I know people think it was blown put of proportion, but no one really knows why she hit on that word and used it repeatedly. She may not even be able to explain. It always struck me as very passive-aggressive, like a true insult that she was trying to pass off as a joke. Maybe Danielle really was saying it as a joke of sorts, but that is in poor taste. A friend of my sister's told me I was the devil once for giving my nephew a movie that would get him hyper. She was like, "You are the devil, oh, you are the devil for giving him that movie" and she was laughing while she said it, but it did not sit right with me at all. I was very taken aback by it. It apparently really bothered Roddy that Dani called him "the devil" over and over and over and over. That was one of the first things he responded to in interviews after his eviction. I think his word "soulless" was his first chance to respond to her! Seems pretty karmic to me.... what goes around, comes around. |
What555456 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:59 am     Let's face it -- Roddy goes for the jugular when he loses. Very parental and supportive if people are giving him what he wants -- but a visious mean individual if they do not. The use of soulless is no worse than what he did to Amy playing on her lack of self esteem by making her think she had no ethics or morals because she would not live up to a promise he manipulated out of her to sacrifice herself so he could win. THAT, to me, was one of the nastiest things done this summer. And now comes this comment. Lots of words he could have chosen to express his anger/frustration with Danielle. Roddy is a good wordsmith. But he chose this one for full effect -- specifically to hurt Danielle deeply. Pure, unadulerated revenge. Not the motivation of a ethical, moral man who was simply beaen by a better player. Roddy wants to appear to be a good, ethical, moral individual. The reality is, based on both of these incidents, that he is vicious and vindictive when he does not get his way. I think the Roddy's character is now visible for all to see. |
Maris | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:02 am     I don't know why she is surprised. she talked all the time about the clash of the Titans, his calling her souless is no worse thant the names she called him. as the saying goes "payback is a " |
Screeminmeemie | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:03 am     Amy's use of the word "fertile" could have been meant for Jason and "precious" for Danielle (who she wanted to win). I think perhaps that Amy mistakenly used the word "fertile" for the word "virile" intended for Jason. That would make more sense to me. |
Maris | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:05 am     very early in the game Danni said that she was fertile. She was talking about how easy it was for her to get pregnant, Amy was just using her own words to describe her. No big mystery. |
Car54 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:07 am     This reminds me a bit of last year when Nicole's husband flew the banner... a player's head being really messed with from someone outside. And it didn't cost Roddy a cent. Think BB producers even considered using his positive word? |
Bmh | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:10 am     Roddy takes things way to personally and is the biggest sore loser I have ever encountered..his ego is to big for him to admit Dani beat him at his own game and is a better player than he is..simple fact..She never meant for her devil comments to be taking personally..It was purely for a the game..but Roddy cant get past that..and will be extremely happy to see dani get humilated as she is given 3 sue hawk speeches and then loses the game 7-3..roddy is a sad man..I never want to herar from him again |
Gramma | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:14 am     Hermione, while I do subscribe to the old chestnut that truth is often speken in jest, I can't agree that being called the devil is necessarily always intended as an insult.. "Oh.. you little devil you"... often said and meant in an endearing way "The devil made me do it".. almost always used as humor. "The devil looks after his own". this was a humorous quote attributed to Winson Churchill. Personally, I didn't take daniell's references to Roddy as the devil any more seriously that I would one of the above common usages. Soulless on the other hand... especially made in reference to a black person (soul-sisters, soul brothers?) was meant in a most unkind way. Not that I'm surprised. I expected sour grapes. |
Gidget | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:15 am     I agree with Roddy's description of Dani. I think it was the perfect adjective. BUT ONLY in the context of the game. Not only was it perfect it was much more accurate than her calling him the Devil. I still think BB helped them with a list of words otherwise we would have had more "awesome", "beautiful" type words on the list. |
Hermione69 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:15 am     Well, I'm sure Roddy can say that his comment wasn't personal and just a joke and just for the game. They are all still have a role in the game after all, not just those 2 left in the house. I really don't see how one comment is so much worse than the other, but that is just my perception. Dani set herself up for it, in my eyes. |
Gina8642 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:17 am     I just don't get how Roddy is a sore loser because he did what BB asked him to and came up with a single negative word to describe Dani. I really don't want to be in the position of defending Roddy, but I just don't quite get why everyone is reading soooo much into Roddy doing what BB asked him to do. Was he supposed to be dishonest? Is Roddy a sore loser? I have no idea, and I certainly can't judge him by a single word. If he goes off on Dani during the questions, then call him a sore loser. But one word?? Come on all. Get a grip. |
Maris | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:21 am     I dont think Dani ever said he was the devil in jest. She was serious and used it to turn everyone in the house away from him. She wanted everyone to know he was evil because he was her biggest threat. I think he chose the word souless because she used a religious term to describe him. Calling her soulless is as close as you can get to calling someone the devil. Like I said payback is a . Danni should be able to take it. She has called so many people in that house names. |
Hermione69 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:27 am     Gramma, all I can say is I didn't like it when it was used on me in so-called humor so I can't fault Roddy if he didn't like it either when it was used on him (and not just once, but over and over and over) in so-called humor. Like I said, seemed very passive-agressive on Dani's part. Is Roddy a sore loser? Very possibly. But I still think that one word of his was a brilliant way to mess with her head. I think he chose it because of what she called him, not because of any soul-sister type connotation. And well, you know what they say about payback. Gotcha, Dani! I would be much more appalled at Roddy using that word had Dani not had her part in the situation. |
Rissa | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:27 am     Is Roddy agnostic? Or atheist? Big difference between the two. Agnostic is sitting on the fence, atheist is 100% sure. Either way I agree with other comments.. Dani's use of the word Devil was always (IMO) used jokingly and I saw it as a term of respect that he was her biggest hurdle in this game. If it had been me, I would be laughing at her use of it and not at all angry. Souless is a very cold, hard word anyway you look at it. Having said that I think that Dani is probably very worried about the final vote at this point, going over all the evicted HG's in her head... trying to figure out their voting intentions from the words used in that last challenge. She is probably less upset about the use of the *word* than she is that if Roddy perceieved her that way, then how did she come across to all the rest of them. Roddy needs to grow up. Everyone went into the house with a stategy. His didn't work.. doesn't mean everyone else's was morally inferior. With a different group of people he might have won. He didn't... boohoo. Dani went in with a single-minded purpose and the determination and wits to see it through. Same with Lisa (although she fell off track for awhile there during the Eric period. LOL). They deserve to be the final two. |
Gidget | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:32 am     So what did you want Roddy to say? I just love Dani. She is sweet, my ideal woman. NOT!!!! That evil such and such cost me a shot at $500K. No one else would have been so hard after Roddy if not for Dani targeting him. Poor deluded Jason. Even if he wasn't about personal wealth he could have used the money for charity. Nope I'm glad Roddy got a shot in and I'm glad he is so good at words. I probably would have only thought of "heartless". "Souless" was so much more powerful. Hi five Roddy!!! |
Keiffer | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:41 am     I do not think that Danny using the word devil was used in a joking way but maybe 20% of the time. If you heard the other things she called him, and in fact I can't type a good deal of them here because I would get the red dots then you can tell she really thought he was a bad guy. Time removed from the situation can make it seem not as bad now, but at the time she was very very tough on him, and got lots of air time on national TV calling him some pretty bad stuff. As bad as Roddy may have or may not have been he did not spend his on air time on TV calling other HGs names that would make them seem like bad people. BTW... why is it that Roddy is being called a sore loser for coming up with one negative word for Danny... when EVERY evicted HG had to come up with a negative name for people. Are they all sore losers, or were they just coming up with a word like they were asked to. Has he said "liar", "manipulative", "evil", "dishonset", or any other name would he still be called a sire loser? BTW, Danny has been a sore winner when it comes to Roddy calling him names non-stop once he was evicted. How about showing some class as a winner and letting the loser of the hook without rubbing salt in the wound. |
Whit4you | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:42 am     Gid don't matter if he'd have said something nice about her we'd still be getting the same reaction here. LOL I agree though - was a good comeback |
What555456 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:43 am     Gidget I would have expected something strong and negative from Roddy. He is motivated at this point by revenge, of course. Not sure why he feels a right to revenge. He lost fair and square. But he obviously feels he was entitled to win and has a right to punish the person who beat him. But no, I did not expect something so deeply hurtful. |
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