Lisa -- The Most Trustworthy of The All?
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Lisa -- The Most Trustworthy of The All?
What555456 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:58 am     We have had a lot of complaints on this Board that everything Dani does is dissected, whereas no one is doing the same to Lisa and Jason. So, in an effort to rectify that, let's turn our microscopic eyes to Lisa's trustworthiness as we did with Dani. Many people have argued that Lisa should win because of her strategy -- and they define that strategy as staying under the radar, not being a threat, hanging onto the Danielle/Jason juggernaut. I am willing to buy into the idea that Lisa has had a strategy and it has worked successfully for her up until nw. However, if this is her strategy, it seems to me she has shown herself NOT to be trustworthy. How can anyone trust someone who refuses to reveal who they are, who hides behind others, who never takes a stand on something, but who has decided the best way to succeed at a game is to never reveal yourself -- publicly or privately? So, to my way of thinking, Lisa is not the most trustworthy of all because of the very comments made by her supporters, she has not been forthright about who she is or what she is thinking. Your thoughts? |
Gina8642 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:03 am     LOL, I've hardly ever heard Lisa promise her word on anything, so in that manner she is definitely the most trust worthy. |
Sawyou | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:50 am     She called Gerry a pedophile behind his back. People who talk behind people's backs are not trustworthy. |
Krossd | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:15 am     "How can anyone trust someone who refuses to reveal who they are, who hides behind others, who never takes a stand on something, but who has decided the best way to succeed at a game is to never reveal yourself -- " Wow! She's revealed herself plenty. Hides behind others? You mean like Jason has? Never took a stand on anything? You mean like Lori did? And how can you break your word if you didn't give it? She was smart not to give her word by implication or any other way. Or should she have done what Dani or Roddy has, and given her word only to not be able to keep it. That is like saying I didn't apologise when I hadn't done anything wrong in the first place. Lisa has played her way, and it has been effective hasn't it? She stayed low when needed, gave us a nice little romance and enough action without crossing trashy lines, she didn't double and triple deal.... wasn't hoodwinked by Roddy like Amy (and others), and has been decent (except for the over the top with Gerry - and we do NOT know what went on there). This sounds like a sour grapes thread. Or at best trying to compare a Lisa with a Dani. |
Showmemoney | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:17 am     What, you make a good point. Looking at it that way, it does seem a bit "untrustworthy." I have a feeling SHE doesn't trust many people either, so this is how she reacts to that. She doesn't speak too often, but when she does, she usually has everything figured out, doesn't she? It would be nice to know more about Lisa to see what she really does think. The chat she had last weekend helped a lot. Yeah, has she given her "word" to anyone, besides the "girl alliance?" I don't remember if she actually promised anyone in the original six. Maybe she did. And with Dani & Jason, she was pretty honest with them. She was really good at pretending to be Chiara's friend. Chiara had no idea she was upset with her until she lef the house. Makes you wonder about other parts of her game. This is just about Lisa's game to me. I actually think she seems like a pretty cool woman, and I'm glad she's in the final three. I'd have no problem with her winning, but I also wouldn't mind Jason or Dani taking it all. |
Ericka1012 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:37 am     Lisa is such a complicated person to figure out...I guess you need to ask yourself this about the two others left with her... Who of the two might have had anything to do with Eric leaving? Jason because of the confusion in the vote? Dani because she could have influanced Kiki to use the veto? I think in the end she realizes Dani has pulled alot of strings AND wasn't very nice about doing it either...Lisa listens alot and doesn't talk alot...She must take into account that she knows what Dani says about others that are not there anymore...and must note that Dani's very careful not to say anything bad about Eric (at least in front of her)...She has watched and listened day and day Dani bashing everyone...but making note that Jason avoids 98% of it... Bottom line Lisa has always felt good people should win... I think that and the Eric factor will determine weather she will honor her deal with Dani from the boats...Too bad she didn't have to make that deal, I think Dani had had enough and would have given up very shortly anyway and Lisa wouldn't have to be dancing with herself. Lisa PLEASE do the right thing if you win HOH and send Dani on the walk of shame...you can still beat Jason by picking up votes from hg's that wouldn't vote for her anyways...and will think Jason did Dani's dirty work for her. |
Hawaiiandew | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:46 am     Lisa is a self-professed quiet person. I think that is why she has gotten so far. I really started liking Lisa when she first confronted Josh in front of the whole group of guys. It seems like a million years ago so I don't remember exactly what it was about, but I think it was the picking all the girls off first conversation she overheard him having with Gerry. Lisa can be trustworthy, but she aint no dummy, if a better offer comes along she is going to take it...much like she did with Marc. I am in a quandry because I like all the remaining players. |
Monalisa | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:48 am     Lisa is now saying she knew everything. Personally, I don't buy it. But, if you do, then she has been lying and backstabbing the entire game. I think she is lying now, just to get the votes of those who may vote for the best game-player. My hope is, they will see what she is doing, tell her she had it in the bag, until she started getting so smug and pulling this. Now, there would be drama. Danielle is spilling the beans about everything, and Lisa saying, "I knew all that, just letting you talk." And telling Dani to take the 50k and take a vacation. I don't buy that she knew about Dani and Jason's alliance in week 3. I don't think she knew very much about what was going on. She could have easily been gone the week she was up against Eric and last week. She did nothing strategically to stay in the game either time. I really like Lisa, but what she is doing now is bothering me. |
Phillymom | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:09 am     Mona, I agree with you completely. I don't know what is going on with this girl ... she is getting extremely strange. She's suddenly turned into a psychic, knowing how everything was going to turn out before it happened. And she knew everything that was going on in the game while it was happening (gee, she really had me fooled with her confused, befuddled act in her DR entries). I really like Lisa, too, but I can't figure out what she's doing. And ... if she really knew what was going on in the game, then she was lying in her DR entries. If she didn't know what was going on, then she's lying now. Not that I have anything against her lying -- in my mind, it's part of the game. But make up your mind. It's a little late in the game to start thinking strategy, if this is what she's doing. Anyway, back to the topic of this thread -- is Lisa trustworthy? I don't think so, taking into consideration what I've written above and other things that Lisa has done. |
Earthmother | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:32 am     Would I trust the girl who said "My relationship with Eric is so amazing and I can't wait for him to come and get me" and then said "Wow, Jason is great. I wish I had gotten to know him sooner and maybe things would be different." Would I trust someone who doesn't know a bbq rib yet not only knows about corn on the cob but 100 uses for it? Would I trust someone who throws out comments like "he's a pedifile" based on a look? Would I trust someone who bases her decisons on who is bad and who is good when she hasn't even bothered to get out of bed to get to know them? The answer to all of these questions iS.... NO!! At least with Dani you saw what you got!! If she could trash the others so openly, then she could trash me too, and I could at least protect myself!!! At least with Dani she had some basis for her comments..Lori did get a little too riled up, Tanya did say she took drugs when pregnant, Josh was making up stories, Chiara did stab Lisa in the back and was over the top about her sexual escapades, Gerry didn't wash his hands, Amy did drink too much and flirted sexually with Roddy, Roddy did use his charms to manipulate weaker players. She may have said too much and not been very kind, but she based it on fact. |
Eden | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 04:16 am     Earth!!!! DITTO!!! That was just ... beautifully said! |
Earthmother | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 06:43 am     Thank you Eden, I just think fair is fair. I wouldn't personally trust either one of them, but I'd stand a better chance of surviving the explosion with Dani than with Lisa. |
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