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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Archive ONE: Possible Legal Problems (RUMOR): Archive through September 24, 2002

Twiggyish

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know Will mentioned he applied for another show, too.. But, he was chosen for BB.

Catbowl

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Shoot...not a game show? contestants being recruited? Heck...why am I sending in this BB4 app? Gonna be tossed without a second glance anyways...*tosses it into the round receptacle*

Sbw

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
McMurtrey... I apologize for "misquoting" you. I still read that you said that it is not a game show. I don't know where else (other than the FCC) it would be "defined". Obviously I hurt your feelings and that was not my intention.

Go ahead, call me an idiot. It probably fits! :)

Auntiedotcom

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
well, the whole thing is silly. which of the houseguests would have sued?

several of them were "chosen" rather than "auditioned," chiara was one of the chosen.

chiara has no basis for her complaint. there was nothing in the rules or the contract she signed that said everyone would be informed BEFORE the hoh competition of any changes or twists.

nobody told lisa about the POV, and nobody told Jason about the Golden POV prior to their being named head of household.

but, i DO agree that this year BB manipulated the way the houseguests interacted with each other more than they ever have before - but that manipulation is PART of this game.

i also believe that BB set up a series of competitions prior to the show, and then chose those competitions or altered them in such a way as to favor the houseguest that BB wanted to win the event.

they did that last year, too.

they should have has competitions that were more game based - more of the houseguest and house trivia question type games, more endurance games, etc.

and, i still wish that the viewers had one vote in the eviction process... THAT would be hot.

Iceprincess

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit,

While I do agree with you, I also have to disagree respectfully of course.

The producers in this case decided who would get a '2nd chance' - in other words everyone after Amy were not included in the chance - to get a 2nd chance.... THOSE people do have a legit complaint.

There has to be a cut off point somewhere. They cut it off at the first 4 evicted. Same could be said for Gerry or Chiara or Roddy who were not included in the second chance. In my opinion there is no way to have done this fairly. Even if the second chance was given to 8 houseguests (the first 4 evicted houseguests with 1 coming back, then the second 4 evicted house guests, the first person who got the second chance could have had a third chance. --twinge in forehead...blurry vision-- Oh no...I think I have gone cross eyed.

Anyways, the only fair thing to do would have been to take the 10 evicted houseguests and let them battle it out for the final 3. Then have the jury vote, with no cancelation of votes, thus negating the need for the last AC vote.

Marzz

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jason out front, Cas? Now?

Bigsister

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Lisa's hiring for the show was different than the others, it would be interesting to me to know just what kind of "deal" Big Brother offered her. If they recruited her, then one does have to wonder how much they sweetened the standard offer, if any.

Bastable

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sorry-- what earthly purpose would be served by BB offering Lisa anything over the contestants? The idea is preposterous.

There is no reason for it. No network accountant would cut a check for anyone. There are plenty of wannabe starlets dying to be on TV. There's no payoff.

This is pure conspiracy theory, and quarter-baked conspiracy theory at that.

Watching2

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Everyones beloved Jason was also just walking down the street and asked to make a video. He knew a lot about BB the other houseguests didn't. Too bad! LOL They were all given at least some tapes to watch prior to going in. Also as stated above, Gerry was asked to come on, Chiara was walking in the mall with her sister-in-law and someone from casting stopped her and asked her to make a tape. I forget how Roddy got there. The point is: Whether you sent in a tape & application or were asked to make one, you were CASTED.

The only thing I would think would be a true disadvantage was Amy going back in with knowledge. I can see some of the other evicted HGs being upset they were not given the same privilege, especially HAD SHE WON, which isn't a possibility now. There could be resentment the others weren't given the same perks and allowed back in, but they did agree to, "expect the unexpected."

I think part of the FOTH yesteday was maybe they were allowing Lisa and Danielle to see some of the tapes they allowed the others to see. I could be very wrong, but when reading the live feeds I thought they commented on how people looked in DR sessions, etc.

BTW - I think I got a hangnail on my toe from a string on my socks. Someone out there want to help me sue the manufacturer for damages? ROFL People ARE that ridiculous!!

Countrymeadow

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mcmurtrey stated : "I have always read, over and over and over again, that the only way these shows can stay out of litigation, is to cleary define them as NOT a game show." This may be absolutely true. However......if you go to CBS's BB site I found this wording in 2 minutes. I'm sure the word GAME appears more than I found it. 2 examples:

"After her eviction, Amy learns that Jason and Danielle have been an alliance since the first week, but still says she's pulling for Danielle to win the game. "

"Despite all the rewards, the focus returns to the game as everyone realizes that the next HoH Competition will determine the Final Two."

We shall see what happens.

Battlestar

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
--if you think back to BB2/ Mike Boogie was under the impression that Arnold had a special dealwith him too. "I'm the STAR" yadda yadda yadda.

So--what the HGs interpreted from their interview and acceptance as a HG may be just what their ears and brains decided to hear but in reality was nothing of the sort.

eg: Arnold to Boogie: "You're great man, you'll be the star of the show"

Ryn

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 10:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I want to clarify that this thread is based on no 'fact' - only rumor - per 'What's' original post

What555456
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 07:53 am
------------------------------------------------------- I cannot vouch for whether this is true or not, but I pass it on...

Ryn

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Btw - having just read the above original post...

Lisa was an alternate, as far as I know she had to go through the same process as others, she was just not one of the original 12 selected.

Pesto

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
True or not, juicy stuff... great post What!!

For the record, I have doubts about the veracity of such a claim, especially so close to the finale. Assuming there is a suit, I also think there is NOOO way that such a suit would hold up in court, but that may not be the point (quick settlement might be). The only way to truly make BB fair (and I doubt that it is even possible to achieve on television, nevermind in a laboratory setting in light of ethical concerns) is to permit NO outside contact, have set and firm rules regarding gameplay and expulsion (not those that can be changed at a producer's whim). Example: food rule, every week, just throw a cow in the backyard and whatever happens, happens. (<-Chris Rock joke, haha).

But seriously, the most important factor in the "game" is CBS ratings, and they will do whatever maximizes ratings. The HGs know in their contracts that the ability to change the rules IS one rule, so I'm not sure what legal ground is left to stand on...

Anyone care to guess who is behind this?... It's gotta be Mike Boogie! (with puppetmaster Roddy in the background) :)

Kellirippa

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 10:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy probably has A.S. appologizing to him as we speak!

Jagger

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My guess is that this was a plant by CBS to get everyone excited about tomorrows show. They may be monitoring these boards and realize that alot of people really don't care what happens on the show tomorrow so they are trying to get some free advertisement out of it.

Jaysgal

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 10:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, it (the three cases against BB) is probably just a rumour, for things don't really add up.

However, I'm willing to bet that a lawsuit will spring from this season of BB. There will be at least one lawsuit; and it will go far, unlike past lawsuits.

Bbfanatic

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 10:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So, WHAT is this still a rumor you have started or have you found proof yet ??

Sybilbb3oracle

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It may not be a game; but it IS a contest for a prize and therefore must be honest and fair under many different FCC and FTC Regulations. It would only be a game if all contestants received the sa,e amount of money for the time put in without a groosly distorted huge payoff for the winner. Lisa did seem to become suddenly omniscient. Was she coached in the DR with the answers before the final HOH for dramatic purposes?

Ocean_Islands

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whether this is fact or fiction, the contract states, I believe, that the houseguests agreed to be manipulated and portrayed as other than they are by the show. They give up all powers.

On top of that, this is old news because everybody knows they manipulate the game.

On top of that (2), what game show allows you to change the rules during the game? None.

It's not a game show. It's an entertainment program where people compete based upon unknown criteria and the show reserves the right to manipulate.

It makes no sense the feeds would be off in the event of a lawsuit being filed -- this would have no bearing upon any suit.

On top of that (3), who says they cannot appoint or hire whoever they want to be on the show? Most game shows do this -- it's not a competition to actually be on the show.

Conspiracies are 'fun' but this case is closed.

Pesto

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 10:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OK Ocean, but how do you explain the snakes? :)

Ocean_Islands

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 10:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What snakes.

Lurknomore

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 10:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, hope this isn't mentioned somewhere in here...I did the read a mess of posts and browse the rest cause I have to be out the door soon. What an intestesting thread.

I wanted to make a couple comments. First I don't think it's meritless IF (big if especially for you Ryn lol) there is any truth in some of the rumors, ie some folks were helped by the DR. Some of what Lisa has been saying has sounded pretty bad truthfully. How would any of you feel if you lost your legitimate shot at winning because folks in the DR gave info to elimate your chances and/or push someone else ahead. Though why they would want Lisa as a winner is beyond me. Jason I could see but Lisa? Sorry just came out lol.

One more legal point. While I'm sure their contracts have plenty of loopholes, there's also the "spirit of the law." For example changing the rules of the game anyway they want is a far cry from undue influence to effect the outcome. Attorney's out there feel free to back me up. They can say all they want, but a rigged competition, if they could prove it, would still be a MESS.

I will give one example. A restaurant puts up a hook with a little sign that says "not responsible for personal property." Looks good right? Sure...but legally if they put up the hook they assume at least part of the responsibility.

So IF this is true, I'm not so sure it will just go bye bye. Only thing about this that didn't ring true to me is this being the reason for the extended FOTH. Since Lisa and Dani were still talking about "secrets" and stuff, it seems unlikely that would go on if Lisa knew this could prevent her from winning half a mil. All this would likely be going on behind the scenes and out of their earshots.

What555456

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 11:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"So, WHAT is this still a rumor you have started or have you found proof yet ??"

Sorry guys. I have been in meetings all morning and will be most of the day. Just popped on to see if anyone found anything out about this.

Bbfanatic -- I have no way of finding out if this is a rumor or not. I happen to have a friend who works for CBS with all the big gun suits and had breakfast with him this morning. I have no other "ins" with CBS.

As I said in my original post, I do not know if it is true or not. I felt he believed what he said was true, but who knows?

The only thing that would surprise me is if this guy was used to set me up to generate publicity for tomorrow's show. I am sure CBS has better ways of "leaking" true or false information for publicity reasons then to have some guy tell ME something at breakfast in a coffee shop. I have no doubts they can slip a little money to people who do entertainment reporting for a living and spread any information they want much faster and much farther than I ever could!

Finally, thanks to the moderators for changing the title to indicate "rumor". I should have done that and I apologize. To me, this is a rumor until proven true -- as with anything. Some rumors have more merit than others; but as long as it is unsubstantiated, it remains a rumor in my book.

Battlestar

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
each and everyone of the HG were asked leading questions in the DR or comments were made to make them think.

Remember Chaira?? she was asked something regarding Amy making a play for Roddy.