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Fabnsab

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rissa, Roddy is agnostic. It is others who have chosen to label him an atheist.

Danielle called him the devil somwhat jokingly. She referred to herself as the devil last night in her convo with lisa about all the alliances. She connotes the word with "powerful." But in a backhanded way.

Keiffer

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I still think it would have been more interesting had they told us what the positive words Roddy used were. I would still like to know. What would he have come up with for Danny?

Also had they used the positive word from him he wouldn't have given all the board posters a chance to call him names again.

Would Eric had been called a sore loser had they used his negative words instead of positive? I would have like the hear what negative word he come up with for Lisa.

Wrat1010

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Roddy chose that word to describe Danielle because it would be easy for him to defend his choice, since as an agnostic, he does not believe any humans have a soul.

Tunape

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that Roddy used the word "soulless" in reference to Danielle's calling him the devil, AND because of her excessive negative comments about the evicted house guests. She only stopped it after Marcellas left and Lisa's Internet chat, and realizing that it could affect her and the $500,000. Those participating in the negative bashing of the evicted house guest can blame no one but themselves for their participation. They had a choice to continue doing it, leading it, or refraining from any participation in it.

Just my opinion, and I have never been a supporter of Roddy's. The word may just be in reference to more than "the devil".

Hermione69

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"But he obviously feels he was entitled to win and has a right to punish the person who beat him."

See, I just don't get that at all. I can see how his actions and words could be contributed to sour grapes that she outmanipulated him, but I don't see how they could interpreted as he feels entitled to the win and therefore has the right to punish the person who beat him. That's pretty extreme. And it would also indicate that he should feel animosity to everyone that was left after him and that hasn't been the case.

Marcieb

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think BB came up with a BRILLIANT game to end things and Roddy wins hands down coming up with the best adjective: hard-hitting, concise, ruthless, and powerful. It's about time Dannie gets a bit of the medicine she's poured in everyone's wounds. I've never seen such two-facedness so blatantly exposed on TV and am proud she's not gonna get away with the "oh-how-my-babies-need-the-money" routine. She's stopped at nothing to get sympathy for her cause and that just might stop her in the end.

Gidget

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm guessing Roddy's positive words for Dani:

Focused - her head was never out of the game

Hard working - she took care of a lot around the house

Resilient - she's been through some tough times early in her life and she's still kicking

I'm sure he had positive things to say. But what would we have to debate about? And what would Dani have to stress about?

This is BB's way of keeping the pressure on.

Tortie2k

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I love Dani and the last thing I want to do is be a Roddy defender. But someone made a remark about his being an agnostic, yet using the term "soulless."

I consider myself an agnostic, because I just am not sure of the nature of God (I have no problem capitalizing the word). I believe in something, but I'm just not sure it's the same supreme being others invoke. But I *do* most certainly believe in the soul. I believe all creatures have one, not just humans.

So people may not ascribe to a set platform of established beliefs, but still have strong spiritual feelings.

Go Dani!

Punkin

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Agnostics still believe...just don't believe in all the organized religion aspect of it. So to assume he doesn't believe that people have souls is a huge assumption and probably incorrect. Also, at one point in the game, he laughingly said that "even the Devil believes in God"...which is true. Can't have evil without good. I think his choice of word was aimed to cut very deeply because he knew that choice would truly hit someone who considers their faith to be strong and considers themselves very righteous in their belief.

Dntx4bb3

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just read the post in this thread, and I am kinda of surprised that with all of the opinions of why Roddy called Dani soulless...That no one here had any remarks to the fact, that when Jason and Lisa where asked to answer Roddy's
discreption, they BOTH picked Dani as their answer. (that is if I remember right..maybe I'm wrong)

Gina8642

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think you are right Dntx4bb3.

(Can you choose an easier name to type next time? It took me like 5 tries. LOL)

Edited to add, and I still got it wrong. LOL

Dntx4bb3

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFLMAO!!!!

Rissa

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Since this thread was about Roddy's *word* it seemed to make sense to me that I should reply to that. I could be wrong.. was there another topic I should have referred to? There is an interesting one going on in the library about Oprah's Book Club. :)

It surprises me repeatedly how emotionally involved people get with a bunch of strangers. Do you all really care that much? I am getting the impression that I am being lumped in as a Roddy hater when I'm not. I have said before that if he had made it to the end, he would have deserved his spot because he outplayed and manipulated *almost* everyone in the house. He is someone who hates to lose and is used to getting his way, his friends have confirmed that,(in the BB interview) that also applies to Roddy in his everyday life. This is the Roddy version of pouting (not just last night but from all the interviews he has done and comments he has made). LOL Pretty mild actually. LOL

Keiffer. Negative word from Eric re: Lisa? Absent? :)

Twiggyish

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's true. hmmm.. Jason seemed to GET what the others thought.

Beocca

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
all's I got to say to dani is "hurt's doesnt it!"

Rissa

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dntx4bb3,

Inexperienced
Uncertain
Soulless

I think that it's a fairly obvious process of elimination, one of the easiest of the questions. Don't have to think Dani is soulless but obviously Lisa is uncertain and Jason inexperienced so Dani is the only option left.

Gina!!! Copy and paste girl, copy and paste. RFLOL

Bcandscott

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I too find it interesting that both Lisa and Jason immediately knew who Roddy meant. Danielle hasn't realized that yet, has she?

I do NOT think Dani's carrying on about Roddy being the devil was a jest. I remember her sitting there going through the whole story of Satan being cast out of heaven and how Roddy just fit the story so well. I think she used the word to vilify him just as she used accusations of vulgarity to vilify Amy and called Gerry gross, filthy and nasty to vilify him. With Danielle, her game seemed to be mostly about making other people so despicable, they would be eliminated before she was. I don't think this was a very wise strategy because of the jury portion of the game which I suspect will cost her 450G.

Bailey

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If someone spent 3 months calling me the devil, I think I'd be tempted to call them a lot worse than "soulless". No, I do NOT think she was joking.. she even went as far as telling bedtime stories about the beautiful angel, Lucifer... she meant every word she was saying.
Talk about kicking a horse when he's down, enough already. Roddy lost, he knows it, but still has a right to offer his opinion on someone who treated him and others so ruthlessly in this game.

Also, I'd like to add.. if you think calling her soulless is bad, just wait until Wednesday. I believe what she put out there, will come back to her twofold... and not just by Roddy.

Victoriafla

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Bailey. I don't think I could forget all the mean things Dani said about everyone either. I think on Wed show Dani will get hit with karma pretty bad from most of these houseguests.

What555456

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, Bailey, I suspect that Roddy actually believes he won this game because he thinks he kept his ethics and morality intact or at least he thinks people see him that way.

Perhaps the reason he has taken it upon himself to viciously attack Dani is that what he is coming to realize as he reads this Board and others is that everyone saw through him very well -- that he presents a carefully crafted image of ethics and morality that has little to do with who he really is once you see how he uses this image to manipulate people.

So, he does what so many others do. He decide he will try to create someone worse than what he is accused of being so he will not be seen in such a bad light. A friend of mine refers to this as breaking your neighbor's furniture so that yours looks better.


In my opinion, Roddy is not coming out of this looking all that good. In fact, he is looking pretty bad -- perhaps walking away from this with the worst reputation of all of the HG's, due in no small part to how he is handling his being a loser. I think if he handled this like a man of character and was not trying to exact revenge, he would look much better.

Wcv63

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Karma were at play Jason and Dani would standing in the finals.

If Karma were at work then each of the evicted jury members who participated, facillatated and engaged in trash talk would admit their own faults and realize that gossip is trap that they all fell into.

Karma would be Dani winning the top prize for totally investing herself, her energies and her all into this game.

But Karma is on vacation and we will see a petty display by petty people bent on avenging themselves, asserting their self-righteousness and superiority.

The above is my opinion. Opinion not valid if combined with other opinions. Opinion expires 9/25/02. Do not combine with alcohol.

Mom

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Anyone see when BB recapped Roddy. He told them he will never forget what that woman did to him.

She kept talking about how evil he was for asking Amy to sacrifice herself for him. HE NEVER DID ASK HER TO DO THAT. All he did was remind Amy of the deal Amy brought to him, that she would save him if she ever won power of veto.

And Dani kept on and on (even last night talking with Lisa) about how evil Roddy is for asking Amy to sacrifice herself. This smokescreen was all yet another of Dani's lies about the houseguests.

Dani has a gift for mixing words and confusing people. Fact is, SHE LIES. And she pretends she doesn't.

Roddy's right. Dani was double-talking and nasty when it came to him. Bashing Roddy excited Danielle. (I think she's beginning to realize it'll cost her, and it'll cost her way more than the $450K.) I think she was always afraid of him, because he'd figure out she pretends to be what she is not. I think that her fear of Roddy actually has nothing to do with BB3. It's her life's karma.

Bailey

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What wrote: "Perhaps the reason he has taken it upon himself to viciously attack Dani..."
Viciously attack Dani? He called her soulless... she called him the devil, lucifer, satan, adnauseum! I'm not about to start defending Roddy here, I'm just so baffled that you can even say "he thinks he won the game". The man knows he lost, I just don't think he admires the way Dani played the game. And I don't think he's alone in that opinion.

Bmh

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
no Mom you are wrong there..Roddy never backed down any chance he got he reminded Amy how she would look like the worst lier ever if she didn't veto him..He was basically telling her that she would be a bad person if she didn't sacrifice herself for him..I think he was very forceful..and totally expected for Amy to lay down and die for him..that was just wrong on so many levels

Seamonkey

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Some random thoughts..

Perhaps "soulless" was the positive word from Roddy?

Does anyone think Jason must be kicking himself because surely he remembers now that this same exact competition was used last year?? He was so
sure of his preparation that he prepared for the wrong test.

Dani has not stopped trashing people.. she's throwing in more spin and attempting to say nice things now but she still said last night that Roddy is the Devil. While the last three were packing, she got in several digs at Amy.. like no way would Amy have left something for Lisa, or that the missing numbers were taken by Amy (it was Jason). She just doesn't seem to be able to control it.