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Meemo

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know that they signed up for this but it's got to be hard on them when they leave the house. I mean can you imagine someone picking apart everyone of your actions. Reading into every word, gesture, emotion. Analyzing you & coming up with conclusions about you & your relationships with family & friends. Granted not every houseguest was nice but can't we cut them some slack. They aren't perfect. They're humans just like us.

Romans8_1

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said. Although I don't feel sorry for them, they are having a great time. I feel sorry for the posters who feel pleasure in bashing them repeatedly. What does that say about them?

Oregonfire

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yay! The new testament makes an appearance on the board! Can I get a witness? Love one another, people. (I may not be a Christian, but I get the message.)

Romans8_1

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amen on the love. One of my mottos is "Just say it with love."

Maris

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
rofl, isnt there some famous quote about forgiving them lord because they dont know what they are doing? So dont feel sorry for us, give us a blanket absolution

Romans8_1

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, believe me ... if I could I would.

Ms_Snoodle

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am happy to see this thread. It was getting very difficult to read the posts. I found myself getting so angry at the broad conclusions that were sometimes drawn that I would get a stomach ache.I know how I shoud act and how I want to act but, boy, after all these years I'm still making lots of mistakes and have lots of regrets. I can't imagine being confined to such cramped and isolated living quarters with a group of people (any people!) and being on my "best behavior" 24/7.

Jagger

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't feel sorry for them, I think some of them knew what would happen when they got out and they acted accordingly in the house. I don't really think much will happen with them when they get out, people will forget about them in no time at all.

As Jason said yesterday, this has been the greatest summer of his life, all of his friends will be jellous of him. I think it will be harder on some of the posters here to get on with their life than it will be for the hgs.

Ark

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with you Meemo. I know that they thought they knew what they were getting into but I don't believe that any of them really knew what that kind of isolation does to you. I know that I couldn't stand the pressures inside the game and I would be mortified when I got out and saw how I was picked apart. Guess what? I won't be applying for BB4.

Bbfntic

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
although i agree that they did sign up for "this" i also feel sorry for them. i have come to dislike dani over the last few weeks but i really respect her for fighting so hard for her family.

Willsfan

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry for them? Nope.

Sorry for people that's lived for three months with cancer and pain? Yes

Sorry for people who have to work 10 hours a day to support their family? Yes

Anyone in the BB house under too much stress or if they had ever wanted to walk out could have, unlike REAL life situations. This is just a game.

Ginger1218

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Willsfan, I totally agree, I do not feel one iota of sympathy for any of them. They not only knew what they were getting into, they actively pursued it. And on top of it all, the brought most of the mean stuff on themselves. When you put yourself out there, be ready for it. They all desperately wanted this. So, no, nooooo pity at all.

Bernie

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I felt sorry for Lisa and Danielle last night, but only until I watched the first episode of Survivor...sorry if that sounds callous, but they've had a paid vacation in relative comfort, compared to most of the other reality shows like Survivor, Amazing Race, and the Mole.

Beegee

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I feel sorry for them, but that's probably why I'll never go on a reality show or pursue celebrity in any way. It would be very difficult for me to handle that kind of criticism. I imagine most of them did have a fairly realistic picture of what they were getting themselves into, and they have much thicker skin than I do. If they are able to handle the criticism without falling apart, to me that's something to be admired.

Ryn

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Survivor - 1 million dollars - 40 days? 1 hour a week of exposure max (16 hours? Lots of stuff never seen by the rest of the world) - more "fame" than BB.

BB - 500k for 1st, 50k second and after that stipend - 80 days. Roughly 1920 hours of exposure on the net (in which every thing they do is scrutinized) and 30+ hours of TV air time. Much less fame than Survivor.

I feel worse for the BB folks ;)

Llkoolaid

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You said it Ryn, totally agree. Also the confinement and no chance just to take a walk to get away from it all.

Costacat

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am sorry for them because I think some of them are going to find they are not the celebrities they think they are. They'll soon be mostly forgotten.

I am NOT sorry for them for being isolated, for being stuck in the BB compound, for being so bored there is nothing else to do but pick on other people.

I am sorry for those who were picked upon, especially after they left the house and found out exactly what was said and by whom.

I am not sorry for those who did the picking upon and will not win the $500K.

They *did* receive an all expenses paid vacation WITH pay. They *did* sign up for this. They *did* know what they were getting into, and if they didn't, well, buyer beware (how stupid to sign up for a show and not know anything about it). I have a lot more respect for people who actually work for their fame and fortune than for those who attempt to win a game on a TV show.

Ryn

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not actually sorry for them, but if I was forced to feel sorry for the Survivors or the BB Folk, I would feel sorry for the BB Folk

Maryann

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 03:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't feel sorry for them in general,but at specific moments I have felt bad for them.
For example, when Marcellus was giving that long speech to Amy about her shortcomings,I felt sorry for Amy. When Lisa started her questionable commentary about Jerry's personal life I felt very bad for Jerry..that, in itself, makes me think that Lisa doesn't really deserve to win HOH because putting those kind of ideas into the heads of others, and on the internet, when the man's livlihood depends upon parental trust was
really low ball in my opinion.
Jason and Dani are not likable people, but they never did or said anything as bad as what Lisa did.

Tobor7

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 03:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sure they are human. Sure they make mistakes like the rest of us. Sure we are no better than they are. Sure sure sure.
This is just stating the obvious. Can't argue with it.

But should we aspire to be better people? Yes.
Do I condone their behavior? No.

And I do not accept any excuse for it either.

There is an accountability factor here. People are accountable for themselves.
It doesn't matter what you call it (game or whatever) they are playing. They are there and they are doing it. PROUDLY putting it out there for all to see.
I feel that my response to their behavior is an important message to others who have not yet decided how they want to conduct themselves in life. NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE DOING. Games, sports, marriage, politics, work...
What if my kid was reading this? What message would I want him to get?

It's ok. It's just a game. They get a pass? I don't think so. They were all under the same roof, but reactions were very different. Some have done better than others.

Listen, we can all do better. We should expect more from ourselves and other people. When I see something that I think is wrong, I will express my opinion.

To keep quiet about it would be wrong.

We are all not perfect, but PRIDE in poor behavior no matter what the venue is sad.

I would not be accountable to myself if I didn't reflect on my gut reaction to what I am seeing.

Sure they all did bad stuff, but some much worse than others.

I'm not being mean. If you see something that you feel is wrong, it is your obligation to say something about it, not make excuses for it.

Kyline

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Speaking of Survivor vs. BB, while I think the actual game conditions are harder on Survivor, the duration is much shorter AND the people voted off (at least the first 6) get FANTASTIC vacations. My dream would be to go on Survivor and get booted 2nd LOL.

Both shows have their difficulties. Survivor is hard, but you can get through a lot by counting down just 39 days. 90 days is a whole other ball park, IMO.

Survivor has more intense stres, compacted into a short period of time. BB has less intense stress, spread over a LONG summer.

I call it a draw.

Deb833

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, after the first BB, I said, I'm never going to try out for that show because I don't want to be ripped up by the people on the net. But I've been thinking about it and decided I'm a nice person and maybe they wouldn't. Of course there's always some who will, no matter what, but I also realize, that in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter because I don't know any of these people and they don't know me. So I'm going for it. I'm working on the application now.

Oregonfire

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whatever the HGs have done to offend others in the house is between them and those they have directly offended, and their conscience or their god, if they answer to one. Everything else outside of that is just sound and fury, signifying nothing.

(of course in my opinion, as it is also part of that noisome sound and fury!)

Bernie

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 05:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, since I brought it up, I don't feel sorry for the Survivor, Mole, or Amazing Race people either.
My point was simply that in terms of strenuous exercise and privation, they've had relative comfort and security of person. Think of how dangerous these other shows can be, and contestants have been hurt badly, apart from almost starving.
All of these reality show folks are subject to the same kind of mental and psychological stresses, if not to the same degree.
Since they chose to do it, and should have known what they were letting themselves in for, then no, I don't feel sorry for them.

(Ryn, are you following me around the board these last couple of days? I'm getting a little paranoid!)

Whit4you

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 06:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't feel sorry for them - they signed up for this - and could walk out at any time they wish to. There are 10's of thousands of people I feel sorry for in the world - but certainly not a group of people who signed up for a game show by choice and can walk out at any time by choice.

I feel sorry at times for some of the family members of some of these people, and wish people (myself included) would post based on how they would want their son/daughter or mom/dad etc reading the post if it were about THEM. If we all did that I think things would be better.

But here's the reality - there are many people laughed at, mad fun of, teased and ridiculed most their lives and they did not sign up for it - nor can they walk out on it. Take for example the unkind remarks here about Jason's stuttering. People born with birthmarks or malformities, rosailia and so on - get teased bashed looked at and made fun of most their lives. Those people I do feel sorry for...

I personally think the 'bashing' here has been much gentler then last year (doesn't EXCUSE it) but it has been. Krista had a hate-mob, and so did Nicole and Kent (Kent still has his lol) and others as well. This year even the 'hate' has been tamer in most cases. I don't enjoy it though - I really don't. I totally don't mind people discussing actions of a houseguest within the house and wanna slap those who run around saying they are 'bashing' the houseguests cause they are discussing them. But I really dislike coming on here and reading the few who really do have hate in their hearts for a houseguest.. like so many seemed to with Roddy.

But face it nothings going to change this - the only thing we can do is try to focus on the more positive threads... or discussions.

Bbfntic

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 07:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ok, i just have to comment...

wilsfan - just because those of us feel sorry for the hg's certainly does not imply that we group them with those that have cancer, are in pain. personally, i feel sorry for anyone that is going through a rough time - regardless of the circumstances or whether they appear to have created the situation themselves.

i'm sorry if i'm coming off rude but i took offense to your implications and if i'm wrong then i'm truly sorry.

Sherbabe

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would think, coming out of the house, some of the HG's would need to be deprogrammed. Or, at least , have a professional psychologist available for them.

What555456

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't feel sorry for any of them. Why? Any of them could have walked out at any time it was too rough. But they did not for one simple reason -- greed.

They all have been willing to be treated like laboratory mice and analyzed to death, humiliated, made fun of and everything else that has happened to them simply for money.

Why should I feel sorry for them when their life priorities are so screwed up? They can change them if they want.

As someone said a week ago or so, they are nothing more than two dimensional characters ona two dimensional screen. Just characters on TV. As far as I am concerned, I have about as much emotionally invested in these peolpe as I do in the Simpsons.

Bluie

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The bashing in general by posters doesn't bother me. Most of the time there is some truth to it. They (the houseguests ) signed up to hoard some money so there is going to be a price to pay.

I truly feel sorry for Gerry and Amy. They have good hearts and were unfairly treated by the other HG's.

I felt a little sorry for Marcellas getting his just deserts from trusting Danielle. He does have a sparkling side to his personality if he'd throw his critiquing/egotistical side of his persona in the trash bin, he'd be a gem JMO .

Personally I think the whole thing is fun to watch and talk about. People take it a little too serious on occasion.

Eden

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 04:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<moderated for judging & therefore baiting other posters> That said... I don't feel sorry for the HGs at all. They knew what they were signing up for and if they didn't, they should have. It is not as if what they were in store for was a mystery. NO PITY. None.