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Cindyluvsroddy

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i guess it is ok to call people nasty names behind their backs .. you know, as long as i say im sorry to god in all ...

please

dani has a big problem in life - she is very petty and gossips or makes fun of others behind their backs ... she isnt alone in that category - IE: Marcy etc......

but the most important part of the game is to win votes in the end .... not good game planning if u lose votes because u sat around making fun or being nasty about your own jury ..

What555456

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess Cindy that I define the value of trustworthiness in a competitive situation in a different way than you.

To me, if you are trustworthy to everyone, you are trustworthy to no one --especially in a competitive situation. If you are trustworthy to everyone, you simply water down your actions so much you become totally ineffective and you cannot fulfill your promises.

Let us assume that a 10 yo is on a Little League team. One of his teammates hits a grounder, runs to first base, does not touch the base when the ball is thrown, but the ump calls him safe. You know he did not touch the base. Are you to be less trusted because you did not point out the ump's error?

Now, assume the kid who hits the grounder is on the opposing team, and this time you point it out to the ump -- the ump rethinks his call -- and the player is out.

Have you been less trustworthy because you pointed it out to the ump for your opponent but not your team mate?


I don't think so. I think you have made a strategic decision basedon your commitment to your teammates.

As with almost anything else in a competitive situation, one has to make choices and then stick to those choices, one has to commit to someone and then stick to that commitment. This is what trustworthiness is to me.

Now, if we want to discuss the virtue of charity or kindness or fairness, those are different topics.

But trustworthiness in a competitive situation must be focused and directed -- or it is diluted to meaninglessness.

Beserkknight2

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why don't you ask Marcellas?

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What555456
Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:23 am
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"Wood I agree with you. She is playing for financial reasons. She wants the money. But so did every one of the other HG's who have been in here."


Before I chop this statement into tiny little pieces and drop it in the tank for a morning lizard snack, I would like to say that nothing I will type to What555456 is personal in any way. I find your posts entertaining even if I don't agree with this one AT ALL.

We are talking about Danielle Reyes. I hate comparisons to others when we are talking about a certain person's behavior. Danielle isn't trustworthy; she lies, she talks far too much about herself and shares way too much information. She talks about her family, her finances, other players, and game strategy in a way that makes her look shallow and uncaring to people in her life. A basher of the highest form. She doesn't know how to be private. And before you say it, I will answer this for you. Her alliance with Jason was formed in the first week, and HIS desire to keep this union quiet and proceed with the game was definitely a plan that COULD NOT have been accomplished with two personalities such as Danielle's. Two Jasons would have been able to pull it off. She owes her survival in this game to Jason, and as boring as he is, his integrity WILL NOT be questioned. She had little or no jury support entering last night's HOH competition, and I am sure it is diminished further by her odd behavior to Lisa at the end of Rubber Boats.

Cindyluvsroddy

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani wasnt trustworthy with Quite a few of the HG's ...

im not talking about being nice on this issue ..

she chose who she wanted to be trustworthy with, and then chose to not be trustworthy with others..

in the eyes of jason or even lisa - she was trustworthy

in the eyes of others she was not ...

again, the topic here asked the question if dani was the MOST trustworthy - not if she was simply trustworthy - lets clearlfy that ...

id even say Jason has her beat ... or Amy or even Roddy ....

she might be trustworthy with J and L ... but she isnt the MOST trustworhty in this game ...

Danimom

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Its so nice to finally hear some unbiased comments about Danielle. It really amazes me that Danielle is put down because she talks about people, when everyone does that. She is put down because she says she wants to play for the money, when everyone went into the house for that. She is somehow a worse person because she is manipulative, when Roddy was the same way but because he was thought to be cute, it was overlooked. She lied, well who didn't? How else do you win this game???? I think Danielle has played the game fantastically. These people were strangers before they went into the house and more than likely they will be strangers when they leave. Who in the world would really put themselves in the position of leaving your family and comforts of home to move in with people you wouldn't ever associate with in your normal life if there wasn't money involved? And how ridiculous for any HG to think that their opponent is really supposed to be trustworthy. Its a competition for goodness sake. They aren't shooting basketballs, this is a game of strategy and manipulation. Why is Danielle the only one getting bashed because she manipulated and lied? Everyone in the house did that! That's how you play!!!

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
More peer pressure reasons for Danielle's behavior. I get annoyed with the "they did it and you get mad at Danielle" defense. This method of defending your actions doesn't work any better when you are 13 years old than it does when you are on public display for half a million. Weak. Very weak.

Toolhound

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I do not think Dani is trustworthy. She has been trustworthy to Jason because it worked for her. When Marcellas started to think on his own she dumped him. Now Lisa is thinking on her own so Dani made her a promise that she will not keep. The only reason she has not lied to Jason is because he has not tried to think on his own.


I don't think you can call someone trustworthy that agrees not to put you up for nomination but then votes you out when someone else puts you up.

Sunni

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle is the Most trustworthy of all b/c the other alliances turned on each other. The original 6/7/6/5/4/3 turned on each other. Marc turned on Amy. Roddy turned on Josh. Danielle and Jason has been the most trustworthy (yes to each other) throughout the game.

Laffy

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
if bashing HGs is the criterion upon which we judge someone then about 2/3 of the posters on this board are "untrustworthy."

there is a whole lot more HG bashing going on here than in the house, just read this thread!

it's a game folks, like jeopardy, wheel, survivor, millionnaire, etc. the object is to WIN the money. it is not real life!

we DO NOT know these HGs as people, we know them as CONTESTANTS only. you cannot judge a person by the way they play the game, you can only judge their gamesmanship.

maybe it's time for us to take a look at ourselves. are the posters who bash the HGs mean in real life? or is it just the game?

i'd like to think that people here are nice, but just carried away with the game. it seems many are being hateful and mean because they don't get the point of the show and confuse it with real life.

we should try judging ourselves by the standards we try to hold the HGs up to, maybe that will wake a few people up to reality.

John1971

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
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Bohawkins

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems to me she is stupid.

Isn't it obvious to most bb3 viewers that Danielle talks a good game- she wants all of America to think that she is the greatest manipulator since Kevin Spacey in "The Usual Suspects." The problem is, I don't see it- not for a minute. She has ridden this thing on a long wave of luck. So, how has she shown her stupidity? By slamming every one of these evicted houseguests in the diary room. If Danielle is such a "genius" then why does she continually tear apart devil Roddy, knowing full well that Chiara, Eric, and Josh (tight buds) will all vote with Roddy against her <>! Let's not forget about how she slammed Lori and Tonya, both of whom she pissed off. Remember how she broke an outright promise to Marcellas, who trusted her so much he gave up his golden power of veto. He is going to forgive that?

So, Danielle was the mastermind, a Svengali, and yeah she makes it to the end. So what? I don't care who she ends up with at the end, she could never win.

So, for all her conniving what did it get her? A spot as one of the top prime time <>.
Great, Danielle. Congratulations. You're so intelligent that you rip every houseguest a new one in the diary room, and they're all watching you in their cozy apartments just waiting until d-day when they get to vote your <> out of a cool 500gs.

Excessive foul language is not acceptable here at TVCH

(cw)

Cindyluvsroddy

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
not all of us sit around and talk about others in a nasty manner the way Dani does...

i dont care if Dani manipulated or lied in this game at all .. im all for that!!

to be considered a player who played "fantastically" as someone wrote ... you need votes in the end to win ...

and it doesnt look good for her as far as votes go ... the reason for not getting the votes? quite simple: she was gossiping and talking about other HG's in a not so nice manner ...

losing votes because u couldnt keep your mouth shut about the very people that will decide if u win the $500,000 is the worst way to lose ....

Onlyhuman

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Danimom, once again, you and the defenders of Danielle's behavior have turned this into a comparison of all the HGs rather than a defense (or admiration) of Danielle's actions.

Here's why I would not trust Danielle outside the game.

If I was her friend, I would never want to leave the room, because I know when I did, she would not hesitate to point out every one of my faults, real or imaginary. If I suspected she was doing something like that, and I asked her, she would tell me that if she had something to say to me, she would say it to my face. I could never trust her.

In my book, that makes her untrustworthy, based solely on her actions, not as a comparison to anyone else.

As I said I my earlier post, Danielle has been intensely loyal to Jason. She earned his trust and he earned hers and that made them almost an unstoppable duo. I applaud both of them for that.

It makes them both good players. I don't think it makes them worthy of trust.

Maris

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bo, I am reminded of a great line in a vice-presidential debate which I dream of Roddy paraphrasing to Danni: "Ma'am, I knew Keyser Soze and you are no Keyser Soze"

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"There is a whole lot more HG bashing going on here than in the house, just read this thread!"


In case you haven't noticed, we are commenting on the game strategy and behavior of people attempting to take home $500,000. Some of us find their actions more than a bit odd, and when posters take time out of their busy day to say things that we do not agree with, many of us like to respond with reasons that may be contrary to what they state. It is a give and take situation, and I see no bashing of other posters. Just the facts as we see them, and we all see them differently.

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with your last post, Cindy.

Cindyluvsroddy

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
hey, thanks woodpeck! - we have finally found a common ground :)

Monalisa

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think anybody can judge Dani's truthfulness or loyalty outside of the game. Face it, I don't know one person who would NOT lie to somebody they have only known for a few weeks (especially somebody you did not trust) in order to win $500,000. I don't think evicting somebody who could cost you $500,000 is any basis to judge somebody's character. As far as the evicted hg's, if they are so frail that they can't laugh at themselves or take any criticism, then they had no business going on a national TV show. At least Dani owns up to what she has done, Roddy is still in denial about is actions, and Marc probably is too.

I disagree with what Dani did last night, but I probably wouldn't have lasted as long as she did. You never know what you would do unless you are in the same situation. She did go immediately to Jason and told him everything. If Jason doesn't feel betrayed, then who are we to judge.

I do think her actions will cost her the money. I think Roddy and Marc will make sure of it (somebody please tell them they lost and get over it!). Amy impressed me this last week. I haven't been a fan of hers. But, her words before leaving impressed me. I think she will vote for Dani, unless she falls for Roddy and Marc's deception. Roddy and Marc thought they were going to dictate the game, and are having a bit of trouble accepting that Dani beat them. Grow up boys.

I would trust Dani, outside of the house, and inside (if I were an ally). If I were not true to her, then I definitely should not expect it from her.

Woodpecke®

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Saying you would trust Danielle outside the house when you don't even know her implies that you have faith where none is justified or evident. Most of us that do not agree with Danielle's strategy at the very least have reasons to gauge our lack of trust.

Monalisa

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, the reason I would trust Danielle outside the house is b/c she is so much like my best friend. Mirror images.

Crazydog

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Roddy and Marc need to do anything at all to ensure that Dani doesn't win. I think Dani's done well enough of a job at that on her own.

Laffy

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"In case you haven't noticed, we are commenting on the game strategy and behavior of people attempting to take home $500,000."

my point is that the HGs have been doing the SAME thing! why is it okay for us but not for them?

Monalisa

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazy, then so be it. But do honestly think that their egos will stay out of it. I doubt it. Let her win or lose it on her own. Don't be....well, shall we say....going behind her back, telling untruths....they wouldn't do that now, would they?

And in my previous post I said "mirror images," that implies that they look alike, that is not the case. They act just alike.

Cindyluvsroddy

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
laffy - because we arent trying to win $500,000 .. and since the very people Dani has commented on are the jury that will decide if she gets the money -