Who cried more? Lisa, Danielle, or You?
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Who cried more? Lisa, Danielle, or You?
Jhezzie | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:59 pm     I'm sorry for Jason, but he and Dani blew it by keeping Lisa. They would have had a much better chance against Amy in all of the final comps. I still, however would have been cheering Amy on, lol. |
Jag2000 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:00 pm     Did anyone notice that when the door shut and Jason was gone Dani and Lisa did not hug each other but went their own separate ways and cried alone? And when Lisa ousted Jason, Dani did not hug her and thank her? |
Sunriverose | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:09 pm     Hello all, I cried plenty on this show, and I was one who really dismissed this group as being completely unworthy of caring about. I began to care about who won in only the last 2-3 weeks. Prior to that, I just thought danielle should win, but as I watched her game disolve into utter lying and hyprocracy, I lost interest in her winning. Then, Lisa began to get my interest. I'm pretty glad that Lisa will probably win. But Danielle really had my vote for so long, I just think she overplayed her game hand. |
Fabnsab | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:56 pm     I cried. I don't know why I knew this was to be the outcome but I had a feeling it would go exactly as it did. I was standing at the tv at work, crying and I looked back and one of my servers caught me and I said,"pinky swear you won't tell anyone I am crying." she looked and me and yelled a big "NO!" and ran off to tell everyone. |
Starshadow | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:08 pm     I didn't cry. But I was totally bummed out! I knew what would happen but I still hated it. As for the final 2, I could not care less who wins. As far as I am concerned the best player left tonight and it's over. I won't be watching it anyways. On to Survivor!!! |
Wendo | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:00 am     Jade said, "Daniel probably cried to make it look good, because I noticed during the competition the moment jason started falling behind on the questions...daniel looked ecstatic and could hardly contain her smile - she realized at that moment lisa would probably win..and in her mind she has a better chance at beating lisa than jason." I'm afraid I disagree with your asessment Jade. I never once saw Dani smile or look happy as Jason was losing the third part of the competition. She was upset, and it was apparent on her face. I suggest rewinding the tape and having another look. To those that think that Dani was "happy" that Jason was gone and not really sad, wow, this woman really is evil in your eyes. She repeatedly said tonight how sad she was that Jason was gone, lapsing in to tears. When Lisa and Dani were in bed before going to sleep, Lisa asked Dani why she was so upset. Dani told her it wasn't personal (to Lisa) but she was sad about Jason. Lisa said, You wanted him to be here tonight. And Dani said yes and she was sorry, nothing against Lisa, but that was Ja and Dani's goal. Lisa was completely understanding. I realize we have our own interpretations. I just really believe that Dani fully expected to be in the finals with Jason. |
Sia | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:34 am     Both women were distraught, perhaps equally so. But remember that Jason was totally upbeat & positive; he's fine with having finished third. He said as he embraced his parents that he wasn't going to cry, that it was a joyful reunion. As I'm typing this post, Jason's song has started playing in my WindowsMedia, & it reminds me that Jason's firmly grounded, will do just fine in life, & that he's a generous person whose family can be proud of him. I got teary at his hugging his Mom & Dad. |
Jade | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:43 am     As to what i said about daniel, she looked distraut towards the end of the competition but quite clearly i saw her smiling through most of it, holding her hand in front of her face to hide it. No teeth but a smile that indicated that whether she liked or hated the outcome that was inevitable she realized her odds of winning were increasing. I'm not lying..lol..i know what i saw. Any rerun shows or snippets of that episode that will be shown can show that. Those i watched it with remarked on it as well. Tho anybody watching may have not noticed or forgotten for all of the angst on jasons face as he fumbled through each question. My receptions fine, my tv is large and my vision is 20/20. Yeesh |
Wiseolowl | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:48 am     Just to answer the question - I didn't cry and make no apologies. Danielle cried a little - but suspect it was more regret for her own perfidity - Lisa , in MHO was the only one who cried real tears. |
Jade | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:48 am     I have it on tape and rewatched. I simply observed it and thought it was interesting. She looked nervous at first, then once jason started missing questions i noticed her face in the background with a smile. Not a wide one, or one with teeth, but her hand went in front of her face a few times to cover. Then her face would change to look serious. Towards the end of the competition she settled back into looking serious and then later upset. Guilt, remorse, geniune sadness, anybody's guess. Anybody can obviously see that a real game player is smart enough to realize who the real competition would be and it would be no suprise to know that she was happy with the outcome. I had a theory early on she might throw the HOH competition if she felt secure enough that both parties would choose her. She knew lisa would but she had to get her word, up to that point she had spent alot of time telling lisa jason would be tough to beat and daniel has trashed everyone in the DR. Throwing it would relieve her of the obligation of taking jason to the final 2 and hoping the "third" party, which she perceived as having a better chance to beat, might win. She played smart. She still smiled. |
Wendo | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 03:09 pm     Jade, the one point where she was smiling was in response to Roddy's description of her as soulless. It was clearly not a smile because Jason was losing. So, I agree to disagree with your assessment. |
Beegee | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 03:22 pm     I felt disappointed for Jason, but his positive attitude puts it all into perspective. Sure, the money is nice, but experiences and adventures and opportunities to expand one's horizons are worth so much more. He'll probably be better-liked and more-admired outside the house because he handled losing with grace than if he had won. Gotta love someone who sees the bright side, is accepting when things don't go according to plan, regroups quickly in the face of disappointment, etc. Those are great attributes in business, in relationships, in life. Whoever wins the $$ will spend it, but character lasts forever. |
Phillymom | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 05:25 pm     Jade, I taped last night's episode, too. And I just rewatched the competition part 2 times. I didn't see Dani smiling or trying to hide a smile ... I saw a smirk-type look at the Roddy "soul-less" question, but that was it. You probably don't like Dani, and you may be attributing behavior to her based on your perceptions of what she is like. And we all do that sometimes. But, honestly, I watched that tape objectively, and Dani is definitely not "ecstatic." |
Llkoolaid | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:00 pm     I also just reviewed the tape Phillymom and you are 100% right. But did you see her sitting back there breathing, I swear she actually had the audacity to breathe the same air as Lisa and Jason, what a selfish woman. I should start a thread on this, maybe I should check first, there is probably already one here. |
Bmh | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:03 pm     LOL Llkoolaid too funny..it is the truth though..people can say whatever they want but I know Danielle has true feelings for Jason,Lisa,Marc,Amy and others I am sure..some seem to think Danielle's heart is as cold as stone..It seems that way because of her actions but it is a game people!..and DAni was one of few that actually decided to play the game |
Kat | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:18 pm     I am interested how do you "know" that Danielle has true feelings for Marc and Amy? Do you know something or are you connected in some way to the Houseguests? |
Bmh | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:21 pm     Kat..I just think she does..I dont know the hg's or anything |
Crossfire | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:22 pm     Which brings up the questions...Is it possible to have false feelings? And are true feelings always positive? |
Llkoolaid | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:29 pm     Yes it is possible to have false feelings, touch Tonya's chi chi's. |
Sybilbb3oracle | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:29 pm     Jason stutterd and choked; His lack of character caused his own downfall; as it will continuously throughtout his life. He will be the oddball youth minister, never making a real life. DAni proved her own lack of true grit by giving in on the rubber boats. For all of her bragging about how easily she could have won stinky tub and all the other HOH contests; she is just basically a self-centered blow-hard loser who deserves to get second place by getting others to do what she could not do herself. Lisa held back and played the game the best, even when it required her to sacrifice her own pleasure by not allowing Eric back in the house. She knew not to make her self a target and to ally herself with the center of power. She did it and held her strength back to keep from being a target. She could have won other HOHs, but she knew that she would then be targeted. Lisa played the smartest game and will win the big money and she'll be a winner in life. |
Monalisa | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:47 pm     Llkoolaid posts: I also just reviewed the tape Phillymom and you are 100% right. But did you see her sitting back there breathing, I swear she actually had the audacity to breathe the same air as Lisa and Jason, what a selfish woman. I should start a thread on this, maybe I should check first, there is probably already one here. ROFL When I read this, my mouth dropped open and gave a major eye roll. I just had to re-read it to make sure. On the second reading the sarcasm jumped right through my puter screen and slapped me up side my head (kind of like Julie did with Marc...lol). But that is some indication of how far some people are going, I thought somebody was being serious. I'm just glad I got slapped before I posted something....lol. |
Maris | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:56 pm     from the live feeds: "came in here saying I am not gonna lie. Then it was lie number one, two, three.. then it was four. im up to lie 45! I lost track. to get myself out of serious trouble i will lie. even my husband knows." That tells me she is a liar inside the house and out. Game has nothing to do with how this woman behaves. |
Oregonfire | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:57 pm     Maybe we need an instant replay a la "the second-spitter theory" on Seinfeld. Like I said way back on the the first archive of this thread, Dani was probably feeling a mix of emotions, elation probably one of them. The lady came to play and win some money. I don't begrudge her being happy about making it into the final two. I do think she wanted to be there with Jason, but it didn't play out that way. Oh well. Dani's going home with some cash either way, ignoble and sullied as she may be. |
Wendo | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:27 am     Sybilbb3oracle said, "Jason stutterd and choked; His lack of character caused his own downfall; as it will continuously throughtout his life. He will be the oddball youth minister, never making a real life." Wow, I think this is really harsh about Jason. I'm amazed that anyone would see Jason this way. From what I saw of him, he IS the perfect person. Wow. |
Phillymom | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 05:38 am     I agree completely, Wendo. Sybilbb3oracle said something about Jason's "lack of character" -- I guess we were watching a different Jason, then. Unless Sybilbb3oracle is trying to say because Jason let go of his key, that means he has no character?? Wow, that's one narrow, meaningless definition. Even most non-Jason fans give him credit for having a good character--heck, even the ex-houseguests and current houseguests have commented on his fine character. But I guess they're all wrong, even after having spent all that time in the house with him and watching the tapes. I know Jason isn't perfect, but to say he lacks character is absurd. |
Beegee | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:58 am     Geez Sybil, my son stutters -- it's a neurological problem, purely physical, has nothing to do with character! Please don't pick on Jason's stuttering, attribute it to something to do with character, and make the other stutterers of the world feel even worse about their speech impediment. If anything, Jason's performance in the house should be encouragement that you can be a stutterer and still do public things. Likewise, you are unfair in your blanket stereotype of youth pastors. You seem to characterize that calling as only for people who can do nothing else. I believe Jason has demonstrated himself to be a capable human being, as is every youth pastor I've ever known. Most are college graduates, articulate, fun, good at connecting with kids and teens, often awesome musicians and athletes, almost always good public speakers, etc. Most work only part-time or as unpaid volunteers with their church, and earn their living in other professions. Do you judge people not on tv as harshly as you judge Jason? |
Itsallgood | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 10:01 am     My thoughts exactly Maris. Does she ever know when to SHUT UP!!! LOL |
Luvhubby | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 10:14 am     I cried so bad when Jason left, I will tell the truth. I turned towards my husband and said.."Oh, I am sorry..It's just that my favorite player is gone now". He said, "I understand". So, I guess I would have to say, I cried, and I won't lie about it. I was hopeing Jason would pull it off, then he lost. WHY JAY WHY! I am not even going to watch the show anymore...How disappointing it is now. But I am going to keep coming to TVCH...I luv you guys! |
Jeeny98 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 10:26 am     I haven't read all the post, just a couple and the one from Jag2000 where he/she said: "Did anyone notice that when the door shut and Jason was gone Dani and Lisa did not hug each other but went their own separate ways and cried alone? And when Lisa ousted Jason, Dani did not hug her and thank her?" The reason was because Dani wanted JASON and couldn't hug Lisa because she was disappointed even though she cares about Lisa. That was not the plan. It must have been so hard for her. Lisa knew for sure then, that she and Jason had an alliance. Because Dani couldn't hug her because she was not happy it wasn't JASON. She needed to be comforted, but Dani couldn't do it with Lisa, for those obvious reasons. Lisa would have felt bad if Dani said what she was really thinking and feeling...THAT she (Dani) wanted Jason there, not Lisa! The reason that she didn't hug Lisa and thank her too. She would have really been a hypocrite, because Dani and Jason's was the one true, honest alliance. Oh, and the topic of this thread...I cried more than all of them. I even cried when Chiara left, and Amy. Especially I cried when Jason left and saw Dani. Because I knew she was in pain, and didn't know what to do because of all her and Jason's hard work, they were not in the end. She couldn't hug or thank Lisa, because it wasn't honest. I know, she wasn't honest the whole show, but she was with Jason..she did everything she could to have it be Jason at the end with her, even if she were to lose to him, in the end. |
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