Archive through September 23, 2002
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If Dani were a guy:
Archive through September 23, 2002
Katlady53 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:20 am     Niceguy, he *was* a good provider to his wife and children. And he *did* pick up the bar tabs now and then. But on the whole, I can't think of any other good things about him. |
Twiggyish | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:23 am     Clio, I feel the same way. Personally, I didn't like her for that reason, too. I didn't like the manipulation trait in Roddy, either. (That's just my thought on it) |
Niceguy | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:24 am     Hopefully, his wife finds him more trustworthy. |
Katlady53 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:30 am     His wife trusts him to bring home the paychecks. Lol Oh, and I neglected to mention that his nickname at the office was "cripple shooter." |
Niceguy | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:33 am     Heh heh heh... |
Cindyluvsroddy | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:49 pm     Dani being a women has absolutly nothing to do with people not liking her .. it does, however, have everything to do about her personality .... no matter what the gender of a HG was - if they had said all the things that dani did - they would have the same amount of dis-like for that houseguest .. Are women set to different standards, yes - women judge other women much more harshly ... than men judge other men .... it just doesn't apply in the case |
Wcv63 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:33 pm     But Cindy I think it does. Roddy has been forgiven for transgressions which not only equal but surpass Dani's "meanness quotient." IMO |
Onlyhuman | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:40 pm     Wcv...forgiven by whom?? I don't forgive him for the things he did. That's about him. I don't forgive Danielle for the things she did. Actually, it's not my place to forgive either of them. All I can say is that my opinion of each of them is poor. My feelings for one have absolutely nothing to do with my feelings for the other. |
Wcv63 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:46 pm     Onlyhuman...perhaps I should say that Roddy wasn't judged as harshly and even then he was given a pass on some of the same behaviors (and behaviors that were a lot worse IMO). Granted they are different people and the feelings were one should not impact the feelings for the other. However, they are being compared for their game playing skills and trash talking and for those purposes only I measure them against each other. |
Onlyhuman | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:03 pm     I thought Roddy was judged pretty harshly on this board. I remember a point where CindylovesRoddy and SanFranJoshFran seemed to be the only two willing to say anything nice about him at all. I also remember them both complaining that every single thread was about how cruel, manipulative and terrible Roddy was. I think right now, Danielle is the focus because she is still in the house. Roddy gets a "pass" because we are not currently watching him diss somebody, make excuses or, in general act like a <>. Believe me, after Wednesday's show, there will be plenty of people reminded of why they dislike Roddy so much and the boards will be aflame! |
Maryk | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:13 pm     Onlyhuman, I agree with your previous sentiments exactly. She herself said last night in the feeds that being a woman was an ADVANTAGE to her, she was not considered a threat and they underestimated her. She used her motherly/sisterly traits to manipulate everyone. She probably couldn't have been as stealthly if she was a man. Back to the main question - NO. I haven't liked her from almost the start, while except for some brief instances, I liked Lisa from the start. |
Wcv63 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:43 pm     Maryk...perhaps being a woman was advantage at one point...but with the jury in the assessment period...nope. IMO, it work against her. |
Onlyhuman | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:02 pm     But it wouldn't have worked against her if she had lived up to those relationships. If she hadn't trashed Amy every time Amy walked out of the room the last two weeks she was there, Amy would still be viewing Danielle as a mother-figure. If she hadn't gone off the deep end trashing Gerry, Gerry would still want the other "parent" to win. Danielle has Josh & Jason's vote. If she had been able to curb her impulses, then the relationships she had with Gerry and Amy would have brought her two more votes. Then she would only need either Chiara, Lori, or Tonya to vote for her. Without the trash talking, this would be likely. So it's not being a woman that will work against her. It's being someone who couldn't keep her mouth shut. |
Wcv63 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:10 pm     I truthfully do not want to defend Dani for her trash talking. I didn't like it either and I'm not giving her a pass for it. I've said it before, Dani being judged harshly by others that have committed the same offense is hypocritical. One doesn't absolve the other of course but being self-righteous and morally superior without admitting one's own faults and flaws is just as offensive as Dani's trash talking. |
Onlyhuman | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:17 pm     But Wcv, what if it's not self-righteous and superior but just honestly hurt feelings? I don't think Amy is mad because Danielle, in general, talked trash. She is mad because Danielle targetted her while playing the empathetic mother role to her face. She trusted Danielle on a personal level and had that trust destroyed. Gerry is not mad because Danielle lied in the house, it's because he specifically asked her if it was okay to wash his shirt in the sink, she said it was okay and then she went around trashing him to the entire house. There's a big difference between being hurt and being judgemental. It just happens to be that in this case, the people she hurt now have a chance to judge her. That's their job. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 05:26 pm     "If Dani were a guy"....then I'd simply be rooting against a player that has a penis rather than one that doesn't. Her gender didn't determine either her behavior or my evaluation of her behavior. Just sayin'... |
Jimmyd | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 05:48 pm     MaryK, My original question was more about how posters on this board and others were seeing her not in how being a woman affected her in the house or with the Jury. |
Cas | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 05:50 pm     IMHO Dani is a combination of Roddy and Marcellas so for me it wouldn´t make a difference. I respect her more then Roddy for playing a better game *in* the house, she controlled it better and made sure those she wanted stuck around but they both played upon the weaknesses of the other hgs in a hurtful way. And she had the same nasty streak as Marcellas when it came to bashing people on a personal level that wasn´t necessary, imo, to play the game. Maybe she did it to fit in, maybe she did it to help herself deal with having to vote out someone she liked(two excuses I´ve seen around the internet) but the fact is she was downright nasty at times and went overboard, not everyone who lasted long had to resort to that level. So for me it doesn´t make a difference I hated the same thing in all three of them and they lost me at that point. I will confess though that of the three of them I´d still like to see more of Marcellas, at least he was funny. |
Cindyluvsroddy | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 07:05 pm     Roddy did not join in the trash talking of other HG's!!!! HUGE difference!! Dani could not control her mouth ... that is her fault and not her gender .. |
Wendo | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:08 pm     Actually, Roddy did participate in some of the bashing of Gerry. I don't recall him saying anything himself, but there were a few times he laughed at the jokes. In addition, he laughed with Josh when Josh kept calling Gerry a Nazi. Not major transgressions, but participation nonetheless. |
Cindyluvsroddy | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 11:27 pm     A few chuckles by Roddy and he is now a basher? lets all face it - Roddy really was not the big evil man everyone claimed he was .... too much pride in people to admit i know .. lol i can understand if someone just didnt like his personality - but they cant make the claim that he is a basher, evil man .. |
Richardfan | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 11:38 pm     Cindy, I love you... |
Wendo | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 11:40 pm     Cindy, it's not pride for me to not admit it. How about if I said to you, it's too much pride for you to admit that Dani's not as terrible as you believe? See what I mean. Just because you feel he wasn't a bad HG doesn't mean it's pride that others feel differently. Personally, I didn't find him a basher in the sense he called people names. I found him to me more of the emotional type basher. I listened to many conversations where he belittled and put Chiara down, put Josh down, and, most well known, put Amy down. As to the thread at hand... What I find interesting is how most seem to have given Will (BB2) a pass on his rather unkind remarks in the DR and house because he couched them in humor, charm, and wit. That, because they were funny, well...all is ok. He amused us. However, I don't doubt that those on the receiving end of his remarks weren't just as hurt. I wonder how Monica felt when she heard Will call her stupid or how Nicole felt when he mocked her in the diary room with the doll? But, since it was "funny and entertaining" well... |
Wcv63 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 11:41 pm     I didn't like his personality and I personally would not associate with someone who exhibited the types of behaviors he did. Evil? I don't know. I think some of his methods verged on cruel and irresponsible. |
Lancecrossfire | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 11:45 pm     I do not give Will a pass at all!! He was mean, shhowed no respect to anyone other than Mike and Shannon, and was condesending. I'll say it again--he let up on those who left at the time they left. Dani did not (and others didn't as well) As soon as Dani did thaht, she took it a step beyond what even Will did. |
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