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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Archive TWO: Danielle is FREAKING OUT about the hg's questions today!!: Archive through September 23, 2002

Richardfan

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seanflynn wrote: "she (Dani) has in my opinion nothing to be forgiven for (from Roddy)"

Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil! Seanflynn is the devil!

Are you going to have a problem forgiving me or is there nothing to be forgiven for?

(not trying to fight, just making a point)

Wendo

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Dani (as well as many posters) have attributed some kind of mystical powers to Roddy."

I disagree with this statement. I do not believe that Roddy has any type of supernatural or mystical powers. However, I do believe he has excellent skills when it comes to the power of persuasion. Do I think it's mystical? No. But I am impressed by them. I also base said opinion on what he told Julie Chen in his exit interview. He stated that he was playing two games, on inside and one outside. He was playing persuasion. And, as he said, he played on the weaknesses of the HG's.

So, do I think Roddy is some superhuman reality tv game show player? Nope. However, I do think he has an excellent ability to read people, hone in on their foibles, exploit them for his own personal gain, and manipulate the situation in order for him to come out appearing as the better person. Kudos to him.

Gina8642

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1Mag - I'd apprciate if you didn't attack my opinions. They are just that - opinions. You interpreted them wrong and I don't appreciate that either. If you want to comment on the HGs feel free. Leave me, and your interpretations of my posts out of it. I don't speak for you, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't speak for me.

Thanks.

Kendalia

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well put, C1mag.

I actually think her "psyching herself up" behavior is completely understandable, not to mention entertaining to watch. She's been exhibiting a real sense of humor about things and has really shown that she can laugh at herself (e.g., dressing all in black, LOL).

She's trying not to take it all so seriously. Maybe some of the evicted houseguests could take some pointers from that...

Spear

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Roddy saw through Dani at all. He was pretty clueless about what the others were doing in the game.

Itsallgood

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Richardfan...2 Funny! Good Point Tho!

Bailey

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo wrote, "However, I do think he has an excellent ability to read people, hone in on their foibles, exploit them for his own personal gain, and manipulate the situation in order for him to come out appearing as the better person. Kudos to him."

Seems to me you just described Danielle to a tee.

What555456

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spear --I have to agree with you. People like Roddy are self-absorbed and self-impressed. Usually they are that way because they don't find anyone else as interesting as they find themselves -- and so they tend to ignore what others are doing.

Bmh

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No..Dani is a little different Bailey..Wendo described Roddy perfectly

Wendo describe Dani and then show Bailey the difference

Kendalia

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So, Bailey, kudos to her, too. She just obviously did it better seeing as she's at the end and he isn't.

Mystery

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think that Danielle ever came out "appearing as the better person," though.

Marymary

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone else remember someone asking Danielle if she weren't married was there anyone in the house she found attractive? She said, "Roddy!" I think that might have been some of her 'Roddy problem'....she was kinda hot for him! Just a thought.

C1mag

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bailey... Believe it or not they were all control freaks!! Even Lisa. Thats why they were picked. Marcellus was probably the best at analyzing everyones personality and he could see that Dani wanted this bad so he told her how controling and charming and charasmatic Roddy was and then she paid closer attention.. Thus came "He gotta go!!" Roddy even says his biggest threats were Marc and Dani.

Wendo

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bmh said, "No..Dani is a little different Bailey..Wendo described Roddy perfectly

Wendo describe Dani and then show Bailey the difference."

Actually, I'd like C1mag to describe the difference because, imo, I think he has a better grasp on Dani than I do.

Marymary, She admired that he was an attractive man. However, I think it's a stretch to say she thought of him as a threat because she saw him as a love interest. IMO.

Bailey

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Bmh, but the last thing I need is for Wendo to describe the difference to me. I've watched this show and the live feeds all season just like the rest of you have. We may see it differently, but I've had enough spin for now.

And yes, Kendalia, kudos to Danielle.. she's where she worked very hard to be.. but we won't know until Wed night if she'll go home with the big prize or with a heavy heart.

Gidget

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There have been so many pros and cons about Dani and Roddy. If Roddy is as smart as he thinks he is he would get up and say "ladies, nice game" and cast his vote.

Any rancor from Roddy at this point would really make him look like a bitter little man. A heartfelt congratulations would make him look like the biggest winner on the planet.

Roddy, hope you or one of your friends reads this.

Seanflynn

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Richardfan --
Understanding the concept of the game and understanding competition and strategy, I don't think Danielle saying "Roddy is the devil" is something that she needs to be forgiven for.
In the circumstances described above, I would accept being called "the devil."
It was basically accepting that to win you have to be a little evil, and she saw more than any of the other HGs that Roddy was the main competition. She is now calling herself diabolical.
So no, I don't accept the point you are making.

Marymary

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, it's always interesting to read a different opinion, but I don't think it's a stretch at all. (Danielle is a case of arrested development.)

Bmh

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bailey..I dont think it will be a heavy heart at all..sure she will be a little disappointed..but she did in fact accomplish her goal she made it all the way to the final 2..and is guarnteed at least 50,000 dollars..not bad at all in my opinion

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina - "IMO Dani has a very difficult time with direct conflict. Witness her confrontation with Lori. Dani HATED that. She perfers to do her dirty work behind people's backs and never have to deal with the consequences."

I totally agree. Her *confrontation* with Lori was instigated by Lori, although the reason for it was started by Dani. Lori apparently has no problems with confrontation....but Dani purt near exploded when put on the spot...she was so worked up she was shaking.....and that whole thing didn't even have ANYTHING to do with strategy...it was just Dani's obsessive judgemental trash talking rearing it's ugly head for the first time.

I think Dani is scared to death because she is used to quietly stabbing folks in their *backs* She is NOT used to being upfront and honest nor is she used to taking responsibility for being hurtful and judgemental.

I honestly hope this question/answer session today opens her eyes a little and makes her a better person. Hopefully, she will see that her judgementalness was both needless and hurtful and that she will learn from it, rather than simply remain on the defensive.

JMO

Kendalia

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, at least she goes home with the "small prize" and at least one or two friendships she didn't have before.

And, I have no doubt that she will feel remorse when she finds out some of the hurt she caused by the personal (NOT game) things she said about some people. If that's what you meant by a "heavy heart." Wait--is a non-Dani-fan actually suggesting that she MIGHT have a HEART??? Say it isn't so! (j/k :))

Pesto

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gidget, Great post! I would be surprised if he did that; my opinion of him would completely turn around.

I gotta admit though I want him to lay in to Danni (for entertainment sake of course :) )

Wendo

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Although, before Lori confronted Dani about the hand washing incident, many of the HG's were sitting in that living room making comments, passing judgement, and laughing at Gerry as well. So, it could be argued that those HG's, as well, had confrontation issues.

Mystery

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't agree that Dani's constant description of Roddy as "the devil" had anything to do with the concept of the game or strategy. The way I see it, since she referred to herself as a Christian, "the devil" was the worst name she could think of to call him.

Calling herself "diabolical" today, if she is doing that, doesn't in my mind make up for weeks of referring to Roddy as "the devil."

Oregonfire

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy was Dani's biggest competition; she saw it and focused on getting him out. The same wafflers shuffled back and forth from Dani to Roddy--Marcellas, Amy, even Jason. Dani saw through Roddy's mind control; Roddy knew that he couldn't fool her. Dani offered Core Four defector Lisa an option to being a Roddite, once Lisa realized that they would betray her. Jason was not included in Roddy's endgame, so again, why be a pawn in one group when you could be a knight in another? Dani's biggest strength was that she offered a viable option to being a pawn. In addition, the Core Four and hangers on helped her out by picking each other off (Chiara kicking out Josh.)

IMO, going to college and having book learning has nothing to do with it. If anything, I applaud Dani more for not feeling inferior because she doesn't have a college education. I'm teaching right now, and I'm sure that at least half my students, who are just beginning to work on a bachelor's degree, are smarter than me. (Oh boy can I hear the sniggering now.)