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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Archive TWO: At this point in the game, have any minds changed about Danielle-to win or lose?: Archive through September 24, 2002

Misslibra

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shewrites, is right about the poll numbers you have to look at the chart results. At the begining Danielle was one of my favorites but then it went down hill from there for me.

Johnnydollar

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Who was a better game player? Listen to the conversations tonite between Dani and Lisa. Dani is laying out her strategies, her moves, her quicksteps, etc. Lisa has nothing to lay out. She lucked into an alliance with Dani who pretty much taught her how to finally play the game. There's no question who is the better player.

Maris

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
that would be the woman who is keeping her mouth shut and will go home with the 500Gs. Lisa.

Richardfan

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I SOOO wanted Dani to go tonight and I SOOO wanted her to stay, however, I still don't want her to win.

So, no my mind hasn't changed. (thanks for asking)

Misslibra

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Absolutely Maris, Lisa is smart enough to realize the game is still being played and evicted house guess are listening. Danielle has more stories to tell because she did a lot more lying, scheming and backstabbing in the game, (her words not mine BTW). Danielle has did so much under handed stuff in this game she knows karma is on it's way.

Spunky

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WORSE!!!!
I can't believe that woman will do anything for the money!
She tried to fool us the viewers!!!! Telling us in the DR SHE gave the game to Lisa (part 1)!! Aaaaaargggghhhhh!!!

I couldn't believe it!!
Lisa was winning while Danielle was barely holding on. Lisa took pity on Danielle and suggested the deal to put an end to her misery, but Lisa could have lasted much much longer!!

Jason won Part 2, while she lost Part 1 and didn't have the added pressure at the end since she had Lisa's word to take her if Lisa won.
Either way she was safe.
Right now I wouldn't even give her the 50k.

And now she is sucking up to the Jury with those gifts!!

Disgusting!!!!

Wendo

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Misslibra said, "No change here, I want to see Lisa win it all and Dani get second place."

Actually, they've both already won second place. Now we have to wait until Wed. to find out who won first place. (Is it Wed. yet!?) LOL!

Ministryoftruth

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My opinion changed.

For most of the show, I wanted Dani to win, but I started to like her less and less when she kept bashing Gerry. All the Devil talk about Roddy started to get old too. When she bashed Amy so much during the last few weeks, I stopped wanting her to win the $500K.

I'm okay with Dani winning $50K, but have wanted Lisa or Jason to place first since about three weeks ago.

Twiggyish

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Me, too Ministry.

Phillymom

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked Dani until about halfway through the game; I didn't like Lisa, then started liking her after Eric left. So I'm flip-flopping. I like Lisa better, but I think Dani played the better game. Lisa ... Dani ... Lisa ... Dani ... I just don't know. I wanted Jason to win, so I guess in deference to him, I'll go with Dani for the win (of course, my opinion is subject to change at any given moment).

Hermione69

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually saw this title of this thread as having several meanings-- has my mind personally changed or have the other HGs' minds changed? Or has my mind changed on who I THINK (not want) will win?

So much of the speculation has been based on it being Dani vs. Jason in the final two and here it is Dani vs. Lisa!! Lisa edges Dani out for me in who I want to win and that has not changed in the past few weeks. I think the evicted HGs all had mind changes as they saw a lot of what they originally were unable to see. I think several of them would have voted for Jason in a heartbeat, but won't be too sure who to choose now. Lisa and Dani both, for example, were nasty to Gerry and I don't know who he will pick. I think he would have voted for Jason if he had that option. Same with Chiara-- Chiara and Lisa's friendship really dissolved and I am not so sure she will have Chiara's vote now. Whereas I was sure that Chiara also would have voted Jason over Dani. So I think the final results are a little more questionable.

As far as who I think will win... that's also changed to a degree because of what I just said. For awhile there I thought no way Dani will ever win the big prize. And I do think Jason would have won hands down had it been he and Dani as many of us thought it would be. But its not and I'm not so sure Lisa will sweep the vote over Dani. I think it could be very close, but I still think Lisa will win. I think the best Dani can hope for is a tie and I don't think Dani will get the public vote.

Betty

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nope, haven't changed my mind. Dani played the inside game but failed miserably with the jury game. Gerry's word, Lucky, for Lisa is on the money. Lisa is very lucky because she shouldn't be there because during her Eric affair, she wsn't playing the game, and after Erice she was lucky to get helped along by Dani. Final twist - give the money to Amy and Gerry for having to tolerate the other HGs!

Bettyrubble

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No change here. I've been with the D/J alliance since the beginning so I'm hoping D takes #1!

Earthmother

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani flat out played the game better than Lisa. The team of Dani and Jason was perfect for the win, too bad it didn't happen. I did not agree with Dani's tactics on more than one occasion but she worked the game every minute and I do think she earned her stipend. She went after those who were after her and Jason.

I do not feel that Lisa played the game. She hooked up with the right people. She was easy for Dani to work after Eric left and Chiara turned on her. She was a good girl who did what she was told and her reward was Dani would keep her.

I don't think Lisa was any less vile and on one occasion much more vile than Dani. If she is as smart as some claim she should have realized that she was coming off as hauty (good people comment) and easy (lessons on sex, bed antics). Her lack of knowledge was not endearing when she seemed to know so much about worldly things. When she told the story about meeting the folks of her boyfriend and then not understanding why they were so cold to her after seemingly liking her at first, I completely understood.

I hope that Dani can explain her actions to her children and make some better choices when saying something that might influence them. I also hope Lisa takes some of her winnings and seeks medical advice for her problems, which IMO are many.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked Dani a lot at the beginning. She was spunky and she was playing a great game. But her trashing people just got to me.

For me it started with the Gerry hygiene thing. Long after the Lori/Dani exchange, when Gerry was doing an excellent job with hygiene, Dani just couldn't give it up. She got very cruel and mean about it. When Marcellas suggested saying something to Gerry, Dani said no. It just showed me that Dani is a mean coward in many ways. It was like her saying 'I just want to have someone to be mean to, I don't want to change anything'. Then I come to find out that is was DANI who told Gerry that is was ok to wash his clothes in the sink and then it was DANI who bashed him for it. If she was too much of a coward to object to his face, then she should have bourne the consequences and kept her mouth shut about not liking him doing it. (Dani also failed to complain when others did gross hygenically challanged things. And she did several things I consider gross (And I'm hard to gross out) - like drinking directly from the mouthwash and then spitting it in the sink and not rinsing out the sink.)

Ok, so that is where it started.

Then it moved on to Chiara. Dani whould just go on with Chiara, laughing it up about all sorts of things, sex, sexually practices, outrageous behavior. Then later Dani would talk to others and indicate how much she disapproved of Chiara and her morals. I'm saying to myself 'If you disapproved so much, why did you egg her on during those convo.s?' You shared a ton of racy stuff about yourself but then you are a prude when speaking to the others? I found it two faced. She was so nice to Chiara's face, but then made sure everyone else knew how little she thought of her. This wasn't overwelming, but I noticed it, and it started really sticking in my craw. Either be Chiara's friend or don't be. One or the other.

Then I move on to her treatment of Roddy.

She called Roddy the devil. No biggie, right? Yeah, for the first 18 times. But after hearing it in nearly every sentance spoken, and hearing her put it reapeatedly (and I mean repeatedly) religous context. I was just disgusted.

And then finally Amy.

Amy, a sweet, insecure girl. Yes, Amy was often annoying, whining, and b*tchy, but still an obviously insecure girl, desperate for love and affection. Here the two-faced ness of Dani took on new heights in my book. To Amy's face Dani was beyond sweet. Pumping up Amy's ego. Telling Amy everything Amy wanted to hear. 'No Amy, you aren't fat. Amy, you have the biggest heart. Amy, you are a wonderful person. Amy, you want some libations?'. And then behind Amy's back was 'That girl is sooo fat. That girl just wants Roddy. That girl is deliberately flashing poor innocent Jason. That girl is selfish and self centered. That girl has a drinking problem.' And then there was the mocking of Amy's stances. How she arched her back, etc. It was just sooo unnecessarily cruel.

There was also the Tanya stuff.

All along I heard her say unkind things about Tanya. I didn't watch hardly any of the first two weeks of the show so I know next to nothing about Tanya. Still a lot of the stuff seemed really below the belt and unnecessary.

All of this made me change my mind about Dani. Especially because I saw NONE of it a necessary in any way to Dani's game plan. It was just plain mean.

I know that in my life I've been guilty of saying unkind things about other people. I think most people have, certainly all the HGs. However to me, Dani's behavior was just many times above and beyond what any other HG did.

I think all four of the last HGs played really, really, well. So, I have to use something to pick who I want to win. So this ended up being my criteria. I don't want Dani to win. I don't think I have since the time of Chiara's eviction. I didn't want her to get any money.

She just was so mean at so many unnecessary times.

Eden

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 05:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My opinion hasn't changed. I think Danielle deserves to win.

Beegee

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My opinion of Danielle went down beginning with her DR insults toward Gerry. She remained one of my favorites during most of the game, but every time I saw her trashing someone over a personal issue (weight, looks, hygiene, etc.) she lost some esteem in my eyes. I think she's a very smart woman but I'm amazed at her lack of discretion and need to put others down.

Lisa struck me as just eye candy at first, and I didn't expect or want her to make it to the end, but she's grown on me. She was smart to align herself with Danielle and listen to Danielle, and I really admired her coolness during both legs of the final HOH.

All said and done, I now favor Lisa. However, they both did well in different ways. If Dani does manage to win, I'll be happy for her because God knows she worked the hardest. If Lisa wins, I'll be happy for her because she hurt fewer people and avoided making enemies.

Hawaiiandew

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked Lisa very much for the first week or so, especially when she called Josh out on the conversation she overheard when she was in the HOH. She seemed to be a leader
Then she got all lovey dovey with Eric and her "little girl" voice came out she lost focus and I started liking her a little less. After Eric left she then became the "little girl" hiding behind the skirts of Marc and Danielle.
At the same time Danielle started showing her game face and made her alliance with Jason.
So while the first week I would have said give Lisa the $500,000, I now whole heartedly say give it to Danielle.

Alegria

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 02:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina & Beegee have summed things up beautifully for me. After Eric left I started to find Lisa bearable and in the past few weeks she has really impressed me. Over time Lisa has been much less irritating to watch than the other hg's. Watching her interact with the others has been good. She has been low key but thoughtful. I would be very interested in knowing what she has been thinking but have NO interest in hearing ANY more of Dani's opinions.

Blinky

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 03:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani has kept me quite entertained this season...with being good, bad, and ugly. The show just wouldn't have been the same without her AND look at all the posts she has inspired on this board alone. She may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I can't see why so many don't think she hasn't played the best game. If not for her "devilish" cantor about the other houseguests there would be no question on who SHOULD win the game...let us not forget she was NOT ALONE in any of those conversations. Dani has my support... even with her FOOT IN MOUTH disease!

Realityshowfan

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 05:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani played the game.....hopefully all of the Hgs will see that and set aside their personal differences. Go Dani!

Marameko

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 01:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani is who I want to win since Jason is gone. Her downfall as we all know was her MOUTH. Oh how I wish she had remembered that evicted hg's just might be watching. If she does win it will be after a thorough tongue lashing by the evicted hg's....While she was not alone in running her mouth, she was one of the
most viscious. Perhasps second only to Marc who I really liked as well until he was so nasty to Gerry.

Tresbien

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ditto what Gina said.

If two play as one with the goal of standing together as the two finalists, then Dani and Jason lost. Lisa controlled her own destiny by winning the final HOH. How many times did Dani say she could win any endurance competition? When it came to saving her partner, she was unable to go the distance and cut a deal with Lisa. Dani is in the second-place spot only because Lisa knew Jason had a better shot at beating her in the jury vote.

Battlestar

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
even Jason in his interview for some paper in Moblile thinks she will have a hard time winning because she forgot the part of the game of securing and KEEPING the votes

Aerojunki

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nope..Still want her to lose. Wish she would of left instead of Jason. She won't shut up..had to turn off the feeds! I hate hearing her more now..would rather hear her devil talk..this butt kissing is getting really old!

Back to my corner.