Archive through September 24, 2002
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Archive through September 24, 2002
Zachsmom | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:40 am     "Apparently, one of the reasons for the FOTH yesterday is because of a lawsuit that may be filed as early as today by some of the HG's (this year's and previous year's). " that's BS..everything listed below for reason could be done behind the scenes.. Second, they argue that BB has broken FCC regulations because of the way they edit the TV Shows, which fail to portray the HG's as they really are, but rather as BB wants to show thgem for entertainment purposes. They are arguing that because certain pirzes are awarded which may help one HG over another and the final winner may be decided by the viewers, BB has again illegally skewed the outcome of the game. The only prizes won that would be from editing is AC..those prizes never affected the outcome of the game..and no one person won AC twice..and we the internet audience pretty much felt the same way of who was going to win AC..and who we wanted to win AC.. The third part is being filed only by the HG's from this year. They argue that BB's selecting Lisa without requiring her to compete for a spot like everyone else, then giving her loading questions in the DR makes her ineligible to win based on FCC regulations. Lisa wasn't the only one who didn't go through the regular process.. how would these evicted HGs get ahold of all the DR tapes??? They were given/shown the same tapes as we saw on TV..so unless the evicted HGs were themselves given "loaded questions" in the DR they would have no way of knowing..and if they were then they are also not eligible to win.. This lawsuit is bogus and probably started as just a rumor.. |
Sbw | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:43 am     McMurtrey, you are the one that initially said it was NOT a game show according to the FCC. I thought it was. Where are you getting your information? |
Whit4you | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:44 am     Um the houseguest KNOW the questions were loaded questiosn because THEY got the same loaded questions!! I can't say how many times this year they talked about that "They asked me in the diary room how I felt about ..such and such" Last year we heard that a little bit... this year it was a very common conversation. They don't need to see the dr tapes to know that the DR asked leading questions... |
Jaysgal | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:46 am     Whit4You, what makes Mole legal? It's plain and simple: planting a mole is the main aim of the game and to see who can correctly identify that mole. It's the gist of the game. When producers make an explicit aim and then select their choice randomly or through a fair process to achieve that aim, then it is a fair game. The players know that one amongst them is not a regular competitor. And they know that they must be the gumshoe to find that mole. It would become unfair game if the mole clues are skewed a certain direction to favour a particular competitor. Big Brother on the other hand is a lot like Real World. The difference with Big Brother is that people are confined in the house and they have a goal: to reach the end of the game, in spite of the process of elimination. Big Brother constitutes a game for two reasons: Prizes are awarded and people are eliminated.... Hence, it is only fair not to throw in twists that are skewed a certain direction or that other contestants are not privileged to have. If CBS wants it to be solely entertainment, then don't offer any prizes. Real World doesn't do that and yet they are so popular and the network makes a lot of money from it. Big Brother has prizes because it is a game. It's about time someone challenges the legality of their contracts and when a contract is breached. Let the court decide once and for all. |
Zachsmom | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:47 am     exactly Whit..Lisa wasn't given an unfair advantage by questions in the DR if they themselves were given loaded questions.. |
Kellirippa | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:47 am     ....yes, but they were ALL asked leading question, therefore, there was no advantage given to any one hg. |
Wilsonatmd | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:47 am     whit, the Mole is different....the contestants KNOW that one of them was hired to try to mess with certain games, and that is the point of the show, to determine who it is... |
Sbw | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:49 am     FWIW.. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the HGs don't file a suit but I wonder if that was the reason for the extended FOTH yesterday and I don't think the current HGs would want to file a suit until they were out of the view of BB and back in their homes. |
Klm72 | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:50 am     I don't get how anyone here can say this "Did" happen or "didn't" happen, none of us are there or are privvy to whatever mechanisms are going on. IF there is a legitimate complaint then the courts will decide if the contract is valid, the rules are valid, the game was valid... I for one do not think CBS is completely incapable of rigging the whole thing. Not saying they did, but there is that possibility. |
Max | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:50 am     California is the most litigeous state in the union. You can probably find a lawyer to file a lawsuit against a shoe company because you got a hangnail while wearing their shoes. Doesn't mean it goes anywhere. There's a hole here that no one has mentioned. Repeatedly, Chiara and Roddy (others, too, but mostly them) talked about how the twist of letting Amy return to the house was unfair because it blew their strategy out of the water. If either of them were party to a lawsuit, I'm sure thre would be something mentioned in there about that situation. The fact that it's not mentioned in this instance leads me to believe this is just a rumor. Maybe What's friend got wind of it from someone who wanted to see how far a made-up story would travel. Or, maybe it is true. Doesn't matter because CBS and Endemol have LOTS more lawyers with more experience in this kindof contract than Mike Boogie has beers to sell at that bar of 'his'. |
Twiggyish | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:53 am     Mike Boogie beers..LOL |
Jaysgal | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:55 am     LOL! I thought New York was, Max? California has a lot of litigations, but New York seems to have the largest number of lawyers. It would seem to me that those lawyers would be hasty for any case, even if frivolous, in order to have food on their tables. I could just be hallucinating. Maybe that's why they make the bar exams so hard in those states. :D P.S.: I mentioned the returning houseguest twist within my first post in this thread. I too wonder why that of all possible charges couldn't have been mentioned. It makes it questionable. |
Silversamba | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:56 am     The problem is that reality shows are part entertainment, part game show-it is a unique thing. The FCC has not addressed this type of thing. I would think that if this suit comes to pass, there could be some new FCC items that govern programs like this. |
Mcmurtrey | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:57 am     SBW...you better reread...I've never ever mentioned the words FCC in any of my posts. I've never sourced any specific sources. Don't be putting words in other people's mouths. I was simply stating that I have read, listened to, and researched this. I have always read, over and over and over again, that the only way these shows can stay out of litigation, is to cleary define them as NOT a game show. I don't have time to find all the sources...they're on the net.
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Iceprincess | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:00 am     While I agree that the DR was using leading questions and skewing their thoughts for entertainment and such and I also agree that it COULD have had an impact on the game (and yes I believe this is a game). What I don't agree with is the fact that we have 10 (or how many ever are complaining) evicted houseguests who are throwing a hissy fit because they didn't win. We saw this with Chiara saying it was unfair that a houseguest came back and she couldn't compete with them. This was only because it was Amy who came back. If it were say ohhhh Eric, she wouldn't have cared less and Operation Revolving Door (ORD) would have been a passing thought much as it was with Amy. However, if Tonya or Lori came back I believe that ORD would have been in full swing. Each and every person KNEW what they were signing up for when they walked through that door. It is a GAME...A lawsuit like this would would be just as pertanent if the 4 Survivors last year who were forced to switch tribes sued CBS for that. It impacted the Game... I think the media has a skewed sense of what Reality TV is. Survivor, Big Brother, Amazing Race, The Bachelor are Reality GAME SHOWS...Anna Nicole Smith, Osbournes, Real World are Reality TV SHOWS. The difference with Game Shows and TV shows are with TV shows they are going into everyday lives (whether famous or not) and showing it, Game shows offer a prize. Plain and simple. These 12 people were put in that house to FIGHT IT OUT to win MONEY. Now I agree CBS needs to do some housecleaning and that this game was by far rigged or something. My gut says something is not right, especially with how some of the HGs were chosen what I don't agree with is those people WHINING that they LOST. Get over it, get on with Reality...you didn't win the money, take your stipend and live life!!!!! Kris |
Sbw | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:02 am     McMurtrey... I did not mean to misquote you and still don't think I did. But (right or wrong) I thought FCC was the governing body for television. If so it would be FCC guidelines that would prevail. |
Twiggyish | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:02 am     Iceprincess, you have a good point. |
Cmc209 | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:03 am     after reading all the comments there were some good points made.... everything from The Mole, to the picking process, suing, DR conversations, etc... i'm not sure what the former HG's have seen or what CBS has given them as far as ""The Tapes" are concerned. What has probably happened is a few "sour grapes" <good one Marameko!>, have gotten together and talked about their experience on the show - it doesn't take long go to figure out how the DR questions were aimed to get the HG's to try and figure things out or say something about another HG - Jason was the only one out of the group who figured it out and even said in an interview that he was careful about what he said in the DR. Basically what has happened is if there is some lawsuit brewing in the background, those lawsuit happy LOSERS have basically ruined the last few nights in the house for the net viewers. |
Kellirippa | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:04 am     cleansing breath people, the FCC was mentioned by What in the intial posting. |
Meme9 | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:09 am     This years show was "Expect the Unexpected". The HG did get that. (but I don't know the real details of any of this) |
Mcmurtrey | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:10 am     SBW, whether you MEANT to misquote me OR not is not the issue...you did. How can anyone listen to an arguement from a person who casually throws out untruths as fact. I agree with you on one point though. The statement I made was unnecessary and I apologize for that. I don't like seeing people accuse me of saying things that I absolutely did NOT say...and I let me emotions get to me. |
Bastable | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:11 am     Message: If you're getting your legal advice from strangers on an Internet message board, you're feeding rumors. I'll wait for real lawyers to look at this before I decide anything. Including, Mcmurtrey, whether BB is a game show. |
Lisad | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:17 am     Lisa's a mole. |
Whit4you | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:17 am     "A lawsuit like this would would be just as pertanent if the 4 Survivors last year who were forced to switch tribes sued CBS for that. It impacted the Game... " Yes and it did have a huge impact in the game - and no doubt cost someone 1 million bucks... However THE players picked who would be going on that walk NOT the producers. The producers in this case decided who would get a '2nd chance' - in other words everyone after Amy were not included in the chance - to get a 2nd chance.... THOSE people do have a legit complaint. Josh for example.. had NO opporunity for a 2nd chance even though he was evicted just days after Amy. Who's to say he might not have been smart and said (like on The Price is Right) 250,001 (thinking someone may say 'half'. And then Josh could have walked back in. |
Cas | Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:20 am     About Lisa, I read somewhere(maybe LFs) that she applied to Survivor and she felt it was a tougher interview then the one for BB. That in the Survivor interview they asked about the fact she seems to move a lot, question how committed she would be. If she was recruited last minute it could be as simple as her application for Survivor being turned down but because of her looks(and that is a big thing for these shows) she was put in a special box for future considerations. When they needed someone to fill in the hgs quota(maybe someone they already had lined up was deemed unstable) they pulled her out of the box. I think her "secret" for Dani has more to do with stuff that happened in(or maybe just before they got in) the house involving one or more of the hgs coupled with her "beliefs" that have been fodder the last few days. Interview from Jason in newspaper dated Sept 24 from some Mobile paper doesn´t seem to give any hints of this, seems to think Dani lost it in her DR sessions and that she will have a tough time on Wednesday. Radio interview with Chiara and Amy in "outside the house" interview(assuming it´s real) says to watch the show wednesday, it´ll be great seems to indicate it´s all going ahead. Of course anythings possible but other then this thread(and from what I read from What I don´t take you as a troll so it could be a rumour, publicity stunt to peak interest in the final)it seems like this is going down to the vote on Wednesday. btw..Anyone else with LF think that looked like Jason out front talking to someone?? |
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