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Archive through September 25, 2002
Cc1976 | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:44 pm     I've heard people say they were impressed by Jason tonight, but I wasn't. I don't think what he did showed character. Jason was willing to overlook all the personal remarks and bad mouthing Dani did towards the other House Guests simply because she did not make nasty personal remarks about HIM. He was willing to overlook the fact that Dani blatantly lied to so many people simply because she did not lie to HIM. If somebody is nice to you, but treats other people badly...does it show character if you defend that person because they were nice to YOU? I almost compare it to the old saying...first they came for the jews...and I said nothing. Then they came for the blacks...and I said nothing..." It's easy to not be offended by something when it's not you who are the victim of it |
Spunky | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:49 pm     Well, at least he was consistent. Not like Josh and others who flip-flopped... He shouldn't feel any sense of guilt, he lost part 1 and 3 of the HOH but Danielle lost all three. He should't feel so bad about it. |
Kitty54 | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:49 pm     I think Jason showed that he was not "spineless" and stood up to Roddy influencing the votes. Yes, Dani did badmouth people, but look at the things Marci said about Tonya (and then told her he loved her), and Amy said about Chiara (and then took her hand), and Josh calling Jerry a nazi, etc. Somehow, all was forgiven with them, but not with Dani? I admire Jason for pointing some, unpopular, views about Dani's game. Jason has more character than any houseguests on all 3 shows. |
Mystery | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:50 pm     Is there any proof of Roddy's influence? |
Katlady53 | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:52 pm     All I can say is that my best friend would have stuck up for me like Jason did for Danielle. Thank God. That's why she's my best friend, though. |
Demeter | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:52 pm     I just saw it as a sympathy vote. The HGs always seemed big on at least giving an evictee a sympathy vote. They didn't all get them, but most did. He stayed loyal in spite of what he heard. He promised her he would vote for her. He kept his word. So, yes, he showed character. |
Machellewatches | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:52 pm     your word is character. he should not be accountable for DAnielle's actions. they were playing the game for themselves, afterall, they would not have split the money right? |
Cc1976 | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:53 pm     "Even Jason couldn't know how Danielle was talking in the DiaryRoom; he didn't hear everything she said while Dani was in the house because he often left the room when bashing began. I don't fault Jason for voting for Danielle; I feel he was totally loyal to her." But Sia, surely Jason had seen and heard about what Dani had said about the other House Guests. I know he did because they discussed it when they were all together at the beginning of the show. He heard that she had made personal remarks about other people but he still defended Danielle and was willing to overlook it. Loyal to Danielle? Yes, definitely. Character for the willingness to speak out against something that was wrong? Nope. |
Lombadier | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:53 pm     Jason remained loyal to his partner and friend. I expected him to vote for Dani and would have been shocked if he had not. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:55 pm     Jason stuck up for a friend. Part of being friends is accepting and forgiving the faults of your friends. He didn't bend his opinion to everyone else's just to fit in. I think he showed lots of character. |
Machellewatches | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:56 pm     your word is character. he should not be accountable for DAnielle's actions. they were playing the game for themselves, afterall, they would not have split the money right? |
Mystery | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:59 pm     I have no doubt that it's part of Jason's character to be loyal and forgiving to friends. But I don't think that his vote for Danielle was a demonstration of his character, since she hadn't offended him in any way. They ended as they began, teammates. |
Luvhubby | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:02 pm     I am sure most of everyone has said things about people and not mean to hurt them, Even if it was a good friend, wouldn't you also stand up for that person? I know I would. Dani was like family to Jason, so I think he showed true character when he stood up for her when the others were talking, and for Marci to do what he did, he really needs to grow up. He was acting like a baby, getting up off the couch and moving because of Jasons words. If anyone needs to talk about character, lets put the topic about Marci. Just my opinion. |
Maryk | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:03 pm     As much as I would have wanted a 10-0 vote , I think Jason did the right thing in voting for his game partner. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:05 pm     "Jason was willing to overlook all the personal remarks and bad mouthing Dani did towards the other House Guests simply because she did not make nasty personal remarks about HIM." Well, I'll answer here as well. LOL! Jason remained loyal to his friend. Period. Nothing wrong with that and very admirable. Had Dani and Jason's roles been reversed, I think she would've voted for him as well, even if it had been the other nine against him. As far as personal remarks, I think almost ALL the HG's need to examine their behavior in the house. Most trash talked. All of them participated in it by laughing at the trash talking jokes. And not ONE of them tried to nip it in the bud during their time in there. Lori laughed at Mar's dissing of Tonya. She didn't try to stop it. Tonya dissed Amy. Lisa or Chi didn't try to stop it. Amy dissed many. Those she was with didn't try to stop it. Eric laughed at Josh's constant Nazi cracks. He didn't try to stop it. Josh and his frequent Nazi comments. No one tried to stop him. Chiara and her dissing of Amy. Roddy never tried to stop it. Gerry...he was pretty good. I don't recall any dissing made by him. Roddy laughed at Josh's Nazi comments. He never tried to stop it. Marcellas dissed almost everyone. Those with him never tried to stop it. Amy dissed Chi, Gerry and Tonya. No one ever tried to stop it. Jason laughed at some of the dissing. He did try to stop it at times. Lisa dissed Gerry. (Quite harshly.) No one tried to stop it. Dani dissed Roddy. No one tried to stop it. Hm. Do we see a pattern here? The point is, these people never tried to stop the bad behavior, and often times encouraged it. So, quite frankly, I feel no pity for their hurt feelings and I find their "apologies" now to be pretty hollow. If anything, it illustrates what shallow and immature people they were. IMO, they all need to grow up. And, while I am a Dani fan, I've always stated that her trash talking was not acceptable. |
Alegria | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:05 pm     A 10-0 vote would have seemed mean. 9 to 1 was more charitable <gleeful laughter> |
Jimmer | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:13 pm     Yes I think Jason showed a lot of character and courage tonight. He played a great game and I'm sorry that he didn't win. |
Sybilbb3oracle | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:14 pm     I agree with Wendo; Jason showed no Christian Character nor charity when he never asked the others to contain their vile remarks. |
Bastable | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:27 pm     Having read the Bible, Jason is aware that he who is without sin should cast the first stone. Meaning: Everyone in that house was nasty and bashing. Everyone said horrible things, not just Dani, so she shouldn't be the only one made to suffer for it. Everyone except him. He kept his word, too. So yeah, he's the big winner of BB3. Real Christians don't judge others; God does. He knows that's not the Christian's place. All he had to do to be a good guy was keep his word--not judge. And he kept his word. |
Jaysgal | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:30 pm     Yeah, he showed a wimpy character. No offence. I can't stand a man or woman, boy or girl constantly crying. Gosh! LOL! On a serious note: All of Jason's defence of Danielle surrounded selfishness. He essentially argued two things: 1) that Danielle merited the first prize because she had been loyal to Jason; 2) that there's no boundary to playing the game. To answer number one, I say that's selfishness. I am not one to criticise moral egoism, but one must be willing to bear the consequence. So, what if Danielle had done the same to him, would he still be defending her? Did he forget when she told him to vote against Tonya because she, Danielle, would vote to cancel his vote? She voted differently from what she claimed. As for his second claim, indeed, BB has not said you are not allowed to play a certain way. No one is coerced.... What it just means is that you can do all of what you want to but when the hour comes, you will have the evicted houseguests determine your destiny. How you played it would be very important in their decisons. When your strategy involves emotion, then naturally one would respond with emotional baggage. If such behaviour were rewarded, then it is so easy for BB to recruit Danielle look alikes. There are plenty people with such personalities. I bet they wouldn't even trust themselves, not to speak of others. However, BB mixes its houseguests for a purpose. People cannot all be the same. Your job is to reach the end whilst playing in a manner that would not alienate you when it comes time to vote. |
Tvgirl | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:45 pm     <<Yes, Dani did badmouth people, but look at the things Marci said about Tonya (and then told her he loved her), and Amy said about Chiara (and then took her hand), and Josh calling Jerry a nazi, etc. Somehow, all was forgiven with them, but not with Dani? >> The difference as I see it, is that while yes these people did trash each other, they knew that they hated each other, they never claimed to be friends and then trashed each other behind their backs. Dani told everyone that they were her friend and that she loved them, but the second they walked out of the room she started bad mouthing them and mocking them. That to me is much worse because they thought they could trust Dani. If Dani said those things about me, there is no way in hell I would vote for her, I don't care how well she played the game strategically and I would lose all respect for those she badmouthed if they had voted for her. |
Pugholio | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 10:46 pm     It's a new commandment. Do unto others as long as you don't do unto me. |
Bomom | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 11:08 pm     I think Jason showed character throughout the entire show. He was a brilliant negotiator, didn't gossip or trash other hgs, listened more than he spoke, and was a lot of fun, yet maintained his dignity. He did his homework before going into the house and understood the game better than anyone there. His family should be proud of him. |
Tobor7 | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 11:10 pm     Wendo-- I do remember that Chiara was going to do a cruel cheer for Amy leaving (Lisa was even going along with it) and Roddy talked her out of it. Gave her logical examples of why it would be wrong based on her own statements about life in a small town. I'll bet there are more examples of people stopping it WHEN they could. |
Muse | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 11:29 pm     I don't think Jason suggested to others that they should vote for Danielle because she was loyal to him. Not at *all*. But I do think he said that he understood why others would be more upset than him, since he was the only one she was loyal to. His argument was that they should at least think about who played the game the best. This is really not a surprising argument coming from someone who liked Will best last season (Jason was a fan of BB2, remember? And according to his brother, they liked Will best). Jason wanted others to consider who manipulated and controlled the game the best. Would Jason have voted for Danielle if she had outright betrayed him? I'm not sure. Would he have supported her if he had been in Marcellas' shoes? Who knows. I *do* personally think that he would have been more understanding than some of the others (he repeatedly told other HGs that he would understand if they nominated or voted him out since it was just part of the game - I didn't see a lot of other HGs saying they'd be okay with that, and I didn't see all of the other HGs handling their eviction with as much grace and class as Jason did, either), but it's impossible to say if Jason would have voted differently if Danielle had turned on him in the game. I do think that Jason was true to himself when voting, which I appreciate. He voted just the way I expected of him, even though I'm sure that he had pressure to do otherwise. We saw a little of that with Marcellas acting like he couldn't even bear to sit next to someone who supported Danielle, and I'm guessing there was a lot more of that that we didn't see...anyone read the Josh/Eric chat where Eric repeatedly said that he and others were trying to convince Josh to vote for Lisa? So good for Jason for voting the way he wanted to. Editing to add that I also don't think Jason said that all the nasty things Danielle said in the DR should necessarily be forgiven just because she played the game well. I got the impression that he was saying that they should consider voting for her in spite of those things...that the way she played the game should be considered, and that they should think about whether that possibly outweighs the negative comments in their mind. I also felt that Jason believed that Danielle was too harsh in the DR, but that she did care about most of the evicted HGs (look at Amy - Amy said she was very hurt by some of the mean things Danielle said about her early in the game, but Danielle herself has admitted that it took time for Amy to grow on her), and was a good person outside of the game. I think that's a fair argument. Not saying that all (or even any) of the HGs *should* feel that Danielle's game-playing skills entitled her to their vote despite her nasty comments (I would've thought it was pretty messed up if Roddy had voted for Danielle, for example - she was pretty harsh when it came to him), but I don't think it was that unreasonable for Jason to ask them to look at different factors in the game. |
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