Archive through September 21, 2002
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My Big Brother Manifesto - From a Superfan:
Archive through September 21, 2002
Cassie | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:25 pm     Countrymeadow: "P.S. I wouldn't apply to do Big Brother if the prize was 10 million dollars. There aren't enough therapists in the world to help me when I got out." I'm with you on that one, Country |
Cassie | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:27 pm     "P.S. I wouldn't apply to do Big Brother if the prize was 10 million dollars. There aren't enough therapists in the world to help me when I got out." I'm with you on that one, Countrymeadow. ;) |
Marymary | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:38 pm     I just read this whole thread and I must say Crossfire, you are the Voice of Reason. |
Crossfire | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:39 pm     Thank You, I appreciate that. |
Superfan | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:43 pm     And here I wondered how I'd be spending my afternoon today! haha! Obviously, I have lots to say. 'Maybe' I'm wrong about what the show Big Brother is all about. Maybe I am 'confusing' Survivor with Big Brother. That the two games are completely different. Thinking about it after a poster above suggested that this is Big Brother, not Survivor, I DID intermingle the two. I looked at Big Brother as the same as Survivor. Instead of an island in the middle of nowhere, they were locked up tight in a house in America. I thought BOTH games were about outwitting each other, outplaying each other, and of course, outlasting each other. Maybe that's what Survivor's about, but maybe not Big Brother. Maybe Big Brother is REALLY about a popularity contest. Where everyone keeps their deep dark thoughts to themselves. Where everyone should be 'nice' to each other and 'nice' on the Diary Room camera, no matter how much the producers are poking and prodding you to reveal your true feelings. Just like we are in REAL life. Nice and pleasant to each other (hopefully). And if you don't have anything nice to say about someone, don't say anything at all. Where we strive in Real Life to get ahead, but still help out and reach out to our fellow man. I just can't reconcile how that could possibly work in the Big Brother game. How could you be 'nice' and 'honest' and 'innocent' in a game where you have to nominate and evict someone every week, trying your damndest not to be nominated. I just can't see how that would work. It would mean you couldn't manipulate, you couldn't be in an alliance, everything would have to be upfront and honest. As two excellent posts above mentioned, "I" thought this wasn't about a 3 month episode of Friends, or about making friends with 11 other people. I'm not interested in investing my time in a show that shows a bunch of fake people trying to be nicer than the next. Does that make me a bad person? I'm not interested in a show where 10 people can be hyprocrites and judge against someone on their VERY SAME BEHAVIOUR, because it's REALLY a show about who was the 'nicest'. Thanks EVERYONE for your input! My manifesto is real, I'm seriously looking at Big Brother in a different light, that maybe this show isn't what I was hoping it would be, what I wanted it to be, what I THOUGHT IT WAS! It's not the end of the world! I give myself two shows at a time to obsess about (hahaha), to have fun with and escape with (isn't that what tv's all about?), and I'll wait till the end of this show to see if Big Brother remains to be one of them. |
Countrymeadow | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:46 pm     Superfan....2 shows is my limit too. Next up. Survivor and Amazing Race. I can't WAIT for AR |
Marymary | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:50 pm     It's television-TELEVISION-get it? It's television. I'm thinking you may have too much invested in this. Let me repeat...it's television! |
Bettyrubble | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:50 pm     Crossfire says: "Dani allowing sweet nice people (Jason), and wallflowers (Lisa) to get to the jury with her, was a tactical error on her part." Now this is a point I think has some validity. But, Dani gave her word (not a nod of the head or an "I hear ya") to go to the F2 with J and L to the F3. Dani gave her word RARELY and the only time I can think of her going back on it was to M. Of course, this is after M went back on his word to D but he seems to forget that now. Other HGs may have thought they had a deal with D but didn't -- that's game play. She's been true to the only aliance she's had and that's J. She promised L the F3 and that's what she delivered. If she were to take weaker players to the F2 just to appease the jury then I don't think her game play could be respected so highly. D has played the best game. |
Ginger1218 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:53 pm     Crossfire, I have been reading this whole thread, and I actually find it to be a pretty good thread. Well, it started that way, with good debate, and then people started to get a little nasty with each other. Not necessary. I totally agree with Crossfire. Every post in this thread that you had written and responded to, is exactly how I see it. Bottom line, as Gina8642 put it "Whoever wins played the best game" |
Crossfire | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:53 pm     Quote:How could you be 'nice' and 'honest' and 'innocent' in a game where you have to nominate and evict someone every week, trying your damndest not to be nominated.
OK, now I think you have gone too far in the other direction. I am with you in that a group of people all acting like they were in church is boring as all get outta here. That was BB1, I was not much of a fan of that one, kept falling asleep trying to watch it. Back to your original statement, you listed that one has to be nice, honest, and innocent. I say you only have to be as nice as possible. You don't have to be honest or innocent. People wont think being dishonest is nice, but it is strategic, and acceptable. That is where conflict should come from, not from being nasty and trashy. Whats so entertaining about watching someone be trashy? But I do have to thank you for starting this. Great thread for the most part. |
Wendo | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:54 pm     Superfan said, "I just can't reconcile how that could possibly work in the Big Brother game. How could you be 'nice' and 'honest' and 'innocent' in a game where you have to nominate and evict someone every week, trying your damndest not to be nominated." Mmm, that would be Big Brother 1 Superfan. A collosally boring, slow, pedantic first season of Big Brother. Low ratings, lack of entertainment, and basically a failure as a reality tv show. No thanks. |
Superfan | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:57 pm     "It's television-TELEVISION-get it? It's television. I'm thinking you may have too much invested in this. Let me repeat...it's television!" Of course it's television!! haha! Too much invested in it? I don't think so. I'm just sharing my musings on the show, what's disappointed me. That's what this board is for, right? Will my life be over if it doesn't turn out the way I think it should? Will I give up my job and all hope in humanity? HAHAHAH! Of course not! I'm just a 'superfan' of reality tv, and Big Brother. At this point. Just sharing my thoughts about what I THOUGHT the show was about. About what "I" thought I was spending some time on. That's all. |
Crossfire | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:58 pm     Wendo...please consider my post above yours as an honest response to that concern, which does not completely remove entertainment. |
Bmh | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:58 pm     lol Wendo I agree 100% with that one..I dont understand why so many ppl on this board enjoyed BB1..worst reality tv show season ever!!! |
Puttergirl | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 05:02 pm     Marymary, I think any of us who spend this much time on a message board discussing a TV show obviously see more in it than just a TV show, you included. Everything that happens on BB and on this board is just an anology of real life. When we discuss BB ad nauseum, we are really discussing life and all its fascinating nuances!! |
Eden | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 07:06 pm     I totally agree with you, Superfan. It seems most viewers are divided into two camps. One group watches strictly for strategy and gamesmanship. The other watches to pick people they like, for whatever reason, and judge the actions of others. What we've learned from this season is it doesn't matter so much if you play honestly just WHERE you are honest. Danielle was HONEST in the diary room and she'll be penalized for it. Maybe Lisa was honest, but she didn't really have an active strategy, so her DR entries weren't terribly interesting or revealing. As a viewer, I find this distressing because I enjoyed the honest, strategic insights players shared about the game and each other in the DR. I'll miss that window into the mind of the players. Does Lisa deserve to be in the final two? She proved she does because she beat Jason in the final HOH competition (how could Jason how flubbed that so badly?). Did she play a good game? Not really, Lisa relied completely on Danielle to do her strategizing. Does she deserve to win the big prize? Not in my opinion. But I'm one of the ones that watch for strategy and gameplaying, I couldn't care less who is nice and pretty. |
Superfan | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:15 pm     Well looks like the worst case scenario has happened (remember...my opinion only!). We'll find out on Wednesday what playing this game is REALLY about... Who was the nicest & made the most friends, Or Who pulled out all the stops & played the game best from start to finish. Not looking forward to finding out. What keeps playing in my mind as I see Lisa sitting in the house, is Dani manipulating that Eric/Lisa eviction week. How she had Jason vote to keep Lisa in when she knew Chiara was gonna turn and that Gerry would dump Eric if it came to a tie. Again and again, she protected Jason & Lisa, and saddest thing is that she probably wouldn't win against either of them. |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:31 pm     A lot of folks who liked Dani seemed to have liked Jason as well. It seems to be typically accepted that if anyone faced Jason in the finals he would have one. He was for the most aprt honest--didn't lie, didn't slam hardly at if at all. It's also been noted that to win the game you have to lie and backstab---and that is ok. So with a lot of people saying Dani played the best game, how could Jason win? And how could everyone---most everyone be ok with that? Not slammming anyone at all--just trying to get a grip on the various opinions about who played the best game, and what has to be done to win. This seemed like a reasonable thread--as lots of ideas are being considered. |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:34 pm     I thought Dani did well carrying herslef in the show tonight, btw. |
Pesto | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:41 pm     Super, I agree fully with your manifesto. Welcome to the minority! (at least on this board ) While, Dani was scheming and plotting in true big brother form, Lisa was asking what a plum is (not that there's anything wrong with that). Pcnot, you are right that there is no comparison between Will and Danni. Will relied much more on luck that Dani ever did to make it this far. His "charm" notwithstanding, if you watched the feeds (specifically the HT sessions with mike boogie and shannon), Will was as mean to the other HGs and people in general as Danni ever was. But hey, some people thought Eddie was also deserving in BB1. All not as good players as Dani (JMHO) |
Superfan | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:44 pm     Lancecrossfire, speaking for myself, I would have been 'ok' with Jason winning because he didn't ride on anyone's coat tails. He was active from start to finish with Dani. He played the game right from the start. He WORKED for it. That's why I'd be 'ok' if he'd won. However, Dani, IMHO, was the mastermind of all masterminds and it was her gameplay that brought her & Jason (& Lisa) so far in the game. That's why I think she should win. |
Tobor7 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:49 pm     What Lance said. In addition: BB1 may be liked best by some because the viewers (US) actually felt like we had control of the show. If a HG did something we didn't like. Vote against them. I think I voted every time. The past 2 years I haven't picked up the phone. Maybe next year they should let US nominate 2 players, they can veto one and vote to evict. So every week we would be able to send a message of our own and there would still be stress in the house due to their voting. |
Xcentric1 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:19 pm     "However, Dani, IMHO, was the mastermind of all masterminds and it was her gameplay that brought her & Jason (& Lisa) so far in the game." I completly agree with your statement. Her error was not what she said about the others in the diary room, nor was it what she said about others to get them voted out. That's the game. Her error was going on and on about the evictees long after they were out of the house. Picking at them on a personal level to the others remaining in the house has to hurt them in a way that makes it difficult for them to just see the game strategy. Dani's the one who made it personal, how can they not take it that way? |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:27 pm     If she brought Jason along, doesn't that mean he rode her coat tails? And I have never denieds Dani was a master at the game as far as strategy. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:32 pm     No Lancecrossfire...Jason and Dani had a true partnership....his good behavior but obvious dirty deeds vs Dani's trash talking and not so obvious dirty deeds. It was truly a symbiotic relationship. Jason strategized but Dani had to sway the court of house opinion. Together they were formidable. Unfortunately luck did not go their way in the end. |
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