HG-DEBATE: My OPINION of Lisa
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Friday, September 06, 2002 - 02:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Debate your opinions pro and con of the character of the Houseguests. Keep in mind that we are discussing the one named characters being portrayed in an artificial environment, keep the real life person out of it, we don’t truly know the real person. No bashing of fellow posters will be tolerated. Language standards will be enforced. This thread is more loosely moderated but is not moderation free. Excessively harsh posts may be moderated. If you choose to defend a favorite houseguest in one of these threads don’t let yourself get emotionally hammered. Every houseguest has at least one defender who can emotionally detach themselves, if you can’t do that, stay out of these threads.

Earthmother

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a real mixed bag of emotions when it comes to Lisa. I see a sweet, young, attractive woman one minute and the BANG..she says something that just chills me to the bone.

Of all the hgs she is the one who I would fear the most not her game playing, but her actions. She doesn't seem to have an understanding of what simple words can do to damage other people's lives.

It appears to me that someone who can flaunt their sexuality and then make such horrific, damaging accusations about someone noticing them is off kilter. She seems to see her behavior in the house as "Good" and others (who I thought were good) as "bad". This then makes me look at her as not so sweet and certainly not a woman but a child with no regard for anyone but herself. I don't know why she does it. It could be immaturity, ignorance, brain damage, abuse or just plain meanness.

I tried to put my finger on what I could compare her behavior to and the only thing I could think of is: The girl who has consentual sex and then when she realizes she made a mistake she crys "rape". She excludes herself from any part in it and blames the other party for misconduct. They feel totally justified in destroying the character of the guy while making themselves into the innocent victim. IMO these are dangerous people and you don't know it until you are a victimized by them.

Suitsmefine

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lisa is alot smarter than she led us to believe.......

Secretsmile

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
IMHO Lisa is trying to be whatever the peole around her are.

With Chiara and Tonya she was slutty.

With the couples she was "in love"

With Dani she was pro girlpower.

With Roddy she was the intellegent chess player.

With the new group she is a <>.

All I can say is...it's got her this far. But I wonder who she'll be this week. LOL
007

Calgal

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 06:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, she is the last remaining member of the "6 pack, the beautiful people..." She has a lot of supporters on the jury. But she may have lost Chiara (again?) since Roddy flirted so much these past couple of weeks, & after what Lisa hinted to last night, about Roddy going after her if Kiki hadn't been so possessive. She says she was a virgin until she was 20, has had 5 or less lovers, then gives sex lessons to all the women. She is the epitome of the girl-next-door/harlot, which appeals to a lot of people. I do think it's weird that she doesn't talk much about her family... and how she villified Gerry, then told Roddy during their late night decoding session something about how she had teacher named Gerry, and did he know what she meant? Maybe she has had some problems w/a trusted man in her family/ position of authority, take advantage of her, she has that way of inviting sexual attention, then being insulted if it's aknowledged... just like the typical victim of a sex crime is said to do. All that said, I like Lisa, just don't want her to finish first, go Jason!

Mom

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's it SecretSmile. You too, Earthmother.

Secretsmile

Friday, September 06, 2002 - 07:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
AHHHHHH MOM! Thank you! :)

Bigbrotherbelle

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 05:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It is hard for me to imagine what type of girl it takes to go around saying how jealous the other girls are of her.

She said something that really just got on my nerves. "Is Amy still in the DR? (BTW, A was in HoH with J) What does she have to be upset about? Please God, make that girl get off her period."

Maybe she should have saved her prayers for Jason, Mar, or Dani actually keeping her to be in the final 2.

Costacat

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 05:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually like Lisa. Especially since she's been playing the game more now that Eric's been gone.

Lisa's sexuality doesn't bother me. In fact, I agree with her -- just because she wears clothes that may be considered as "sexy" does not imply permission to ogle. (There's a difference between an appreciative glance and slobbering stare.)

I believe Lisa when she says she's not the smartest cookie. But she does have a lot of street smarts. (And because we don't know what she did with those "five lovers" she could very well be more experienced than any of us when it comes to "pleasuring a man".)

Of all the HGs left, Lisa is the only one I hope to make it to the final two. I'd love to see Amy and Lisa, but I think the fact that Amy was a returnee kills that option. As far as anyone else left with Lisa, I don't care enough about any of 'em to win (although I have strong opinions about who should NOT be in the final two! <grin>).

Of all of the HGs, Lisa is the only one with whom I'd love to chat after the show.

Spunky

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 05:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Coastacat,

there is a I like Lisa thread... to pay her a compliment on this thread may do her a disservice...

But she's agreeing with Marcellas now to get rid of Amy when clearly Jason and Danielle told her the contrary. (That she would use the veto to save Amy).

I liked Lisa up to the moment she started to promise Marcellas....bad, bad, bad...

Costacat

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 05:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spunky, this thread is to express and debate opinions of the named houseguest. Pros and cons.

My opinion is I like her. And at this point in the game, I think each and every one of them is gonna lie to the others, and make promises that will have to be broken.

Misslibra

Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 06:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Costacat said>This thread is to express and debate opinions of the named houseguest. Pros and cons.

Very well said Costacat, and I agree with both of your post. Out of all the people left in the house I like Lisa the most and hope she makes it to the final two.

Lisa is between a rock and a hard place though. Her hands are tied as to how she will make it to the final two.

Lisa isn't perfect never claimed to be. Does she have imperfections like everyone one else, you bet she does. She is doing the best she can right now with the cards she was dealt.

I like her and hope something happens in the game that will a least put her in second place if not first. But as of right now I can't see it happening as long as Dani and Jason are in the power. I'm still going to root for her as long as she is in the game.

GO LISA!!

Spunky

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 11:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think this should die as Lisa is nice...but the Mod said to revive these threads....

Mom

Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 07:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Were Lisa and Amy whispering strategy last night? Any chance Lisa's going to find a strategy?

Ryn

Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
bump

Sheila494

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i love lisa..i think she is a good person from what i can tell..she is gorgeous..and i think she is a very smart girl..and i think she is on to dani..if she can win hoh next week i think she can win this thing no matter who she is up against.

Bbholden

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa is one of my favorites, however, the girl works in a strip joint and her best friends are strippers... she is by far a shy little flower. Her baby voice is a put on because she thinks men (usually much older men) like young girls that talk like babies... we have all seen the early movies where women acted like little girls around men... it was considered sexy.. and some women, usually strippers and less than brilliant women still use it as a tool for seducing men.

It is obnoxious and demeaning to behave that way, IMO, however, who am I to say what she can or cannot act like. If it works for her, so be it.. but she is IMO, no sweet young thing. You don't live on your own and work in a strip joint and remain a sweet young thing... she's not 12 she's 26.

I think Lisa intended to just use her sexuality to get her to the money... however I think she got this far just because she was a nonentity for the majority of the time.

Bigbrotherbelle

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 03:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is something else that irks me about Lisa... she changes her opinions and actions depending upons who she's hanging out with. Be a strong woman and stick to your convictions!

With Chiara, it was sex this, sexy this, sex toy this. You need to have sex and live together before marriage in order to see if you're compatible.

Now, with Jason and Danielle it's oh, I'm a new virgin, I haven't had an orgasm in such and such amount of time or I never had one. Oh, I don't need to have sex before marriage, just cuddling.

Just be yourself, girl.

Texasbbfan22

Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 03:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Belle- You just got here ahead of me... a big ole Ditto on everything you just said! Big hug to you.

Krossd

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Lisa has turned anything over in her sexualness.... she isn't repressing herself there, as Jason has chosen to do.... but what I gathered from these converstations is that she only goes so far in what she will share of herself in that respect... and may account for there not being a big 'O'.

She also said only her husband and her will have unprotected sex.... not that she won't engage in sexual play and intercourse at all. That is how I have taken those conversations. The 'virgin' thing was more that she is choosy about who (and was pointing that out to Amy one of those times).

I think she is more normal in the count them on one hand (or less) times she has gone all the way. That is pretty good compared to some 26 year olds.

Crossfire

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am curious, and maybe a bit confused.

Does Lisa really have that many fans? For some reason, I get the feeling a lot of the people behind Lisa at the moment are really just fans of BB who don't want to get behind Danielle. Lisa is like a last refuge.

Based on the threads here, I get the feeling a lot of people are more Anti-Dani than they are 'true' Lisa fans.

I am pretty much the same way. All of the other people I wanted to hook my wagon to have left the game. While I really can't call myself a true Lisa fan, I just find her more agreeable than Dani.

The confusing part for me, is maybe this site, and my perceptions are wrong since Lisa is really kicking booty on the CBS poll. At the CBS site, there is nothing stopping anyone from voting for their favorite, in the game or not.

Does Lisa REALLY have the level of support threads like the TVCH poll thread indicate?

Ashfett

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think she does as of the last week. Everyone loves an underdog. Danielle and Jason were in control of the game, and so very sure it would be them at the end. Danielle's cocky, "8 down, 2 to go" and such only furthered the idea that everything was going exactly as planned. Lisa did not fit into their plan for the final two. Add to that her basic likability, and her popularity on the official site polls began to grow and grow. IT is pretty amazing that she actually passed Jason in the last few days though (Who had been the most popular on the poll all summer). Lisa fans unite!