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Jimmer

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I posted something similar in another thread, but I think that this is worthy of it's own topic.

I'm not talking about Dani winning it here - I think that it is Lisa's to lose. She has been acting so strangely the last couple of days with her conversations about pre-destination, revisionist history with respect to her strategic play, psychics and tarot cards, three snakes, how she was forced to do things that she didn't want to do, the list goes on and on.

If she brings this up during the jury session, is she going to lose votes? For example, I can't see Roddy, as irritated as he may be with Dani, wanting to admit that he was defeated by tarot cards, a psychic and pre-destination.

Of course, Dani may have her own meltdown in front of the jury as well, but if she admits to her evil doings and Lisa tries to reconstruct history, anything can happen.

Bmh

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think one way Lisa could lose this is..if she screws up some questions..and just doesn't sound good to the jury..Danielle is a good public speaker and told several people in the house she use to take classes in persuasive speaking..so you know Dani will answer the questions well and have a great speech..it may not help her win..but Dani is good..while Lisa I am not so sure how she will react towards the jury...again JMO

Jaysgal

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When did she speak of predestination? :Confused;

Well, I'm gonna start sending my positive energy and vibe her direction once again.

Sail on, far and to the end, Lisa! You can do it! Goooooooooooooo Lisaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

LOL! I just gotta send my good spirit to support her.

Jimmer

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe Lisa claimed that she knew before they went into the house that it would be her and Dani at the end. Kind of implies that Roddy and the others were wasting their time playing the game.

Curlyq

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Lisa is smart she'll do what Dani is doing, own up to the decisions she made and not blame it on peer pressure. They'd probably respect her all the more for it because she'd look like a strong-minded player rather than someone who just went along with whichever alliance had the most power at any given time.

I think the jury session is a time to lay all your cards on the table. Show everyone what your game plan was and let them marvel at how you accomplished it. It's not necessarily the time to make it look like you were just passively letting destiny take you where it willed, or that peer pressure was involved. You never know if they're going to vote for the best player or the sweetest person. Since she doesn't have to convince them that she's sweeter than Dani, she should concentrate on trying to convince them she was the more powerful player. Then both bases would be covered.

Bmh

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol Jimmer..that is kind of funny..now that you put it that

Jaysgal

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Speaking of composure, I have to disagree with you, Bmh. Lisa has proven to be collected and you can hardly detect when she's nervous. She acts very professional when amidst people (i.e., doing a sort of presentation or answering open questions). That is what I've always liked about her; and that is why I didn't mind her winning.

Danielle in contrast gets too rigid trying to put on a nice face. But you can tell she's tensed, changes her voice to sound authoritative. And if she's caught with an unexpected question, her eyes go wild open and her body language begins to change.

Kitty54

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, here goes and I'm sure nobody will agree. I think it's possible, only possible that Dani will get Jerry, Amy and Chiara's vote, along with Josh and Jason. Here's why - Jerry was always for Dani. Lisa said some things about Jerry that may be more unforgiveable, to him, than what Dani said. Both Amy and Chiara feel more personal competion with Lisa, than they do with Dani. I think they'd both rather see Dani win, over them, than they would Lisa. If they do vote for Dani, that only leaves one other person to decide that Dani played the best game and Lisa was just going with the flow and didn't really play, that well. Just something to think about.

Jimmer

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For example, will it influence Roddy at all if Dani says that she called him the devil because she admired his game playing and thought he was her biggest opposition? Will Lisa say that she knew she was going to be in the final two? I can see this affecting jury votes.

Klm72

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes she can lose. If BB decides they want a black female to win, then Dani will win. BB can manipulate the end game any way they wish as per the rule book they all read earlier. They could have a staged comnpetition for Jason to win, for example, then announce the winner gets to pick the ultimate BB3 winner. (Okay it probably wouldn't be THAT obvious but you see where I'm going here)

Forgive me, I am not normally a conspiracy theory person but those shady sounding rules stating BB could change the voting process however they wished are making me a believer in conspiracies!

Jaysgal

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jimmer, that would be a nice try on Danielle's part, but Roddy's no fool. He knows the game of flattery. He knows her aim is to play just as she did in the house: flatter people and then once they turned their backs attack them or once she got what she wanted stick her tongue out and widen her eyes implying, I fooled ya! Antics get old too fast. She's been figured out. If the flattery was coming from, say, Jason then it would soften Roddy. But it isn't coming from some innocent or naive person, even perceptually.

Except by miracle, most evicted hosueguests will not be persuaded by solely what each contestant for the final prize has to say at that instance.

Woodpecke®

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The only way Lisa can lose this is if she calls Josh a racist, answers questions while breaking Marcellas' ducks, tells Eric she fakes every orgasm, including those that involve the belly button, tells Amy to drink a beer and enjoy the life she is already missing, asks Chiara how many "friends" of hers won $500,000 for living in a house for three months, calls Gerry "Stinky" every time he speaks, tells Jason he will always be a virgin because he is about as exciting as toast, asks Tonya if her brain is an implant, informs Roddy that she wouldn't want a vote from a guy that kissed Amy and finally, ask Lori how the weather is on the planet Neptune. That is how Lisa loses Big Brother. Otherwise, it is a lock. Cash the check, Lisa. Congratulations.

Danimom

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Yes she can lose. If BB decides they want a black female to win, then Dani will win."

HUH?????? How many times in the world is a black person the desired winner???? I just don't see this happening at all. They barely have black people in the house!

Maris

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The only thing that will affect Jury votes is Lisa saying it was predestined. Definitely an appeal to Chiara of the Tarot cards.

Jimmer

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's in BB interest to have the most popular contestant win - better ratings for next year.

Maris

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But you are still dealing with the jury who can deliberate. I can also see Jason say do something scandalous to the internet viewers. They hate dani, give her the money.

Jimmer

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, That’s an interesting viewpoint. I like to think that I have control over my life so I would be offended by the thought of pre-destination or Tarot cards and I assumed that the jury would feel likewise. However, it may well appeal to those who believe in that sort of thing and also offer a convenient excuse to them for why they lost.

Klm72

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh Danimom it happens all the time on TV. Survivor is the best show at pandering to various deomgraphic groups. You don't think it's coincidence a gay male, middle aged white female, young jew, and 30-something black woman won before. Obviously A.S. has been watching Survivr too so maybe he is going to follow their lead...

Okay I lied, I guess I DO have quite a few conspiracy theories, lol!

What555456

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see this as in Lisa's control at all. Dani is the central personality here and the one everyone will react to. If there are votes FOR Lisa, most if not all of them are likely to be because they are votes AGAINST Dani.

Dani needs to shore up her base and then go for the swing votes. Not worry about those she has lost. Just hold on to the couple she now has and get three more.

Lisa, on the other hand, will win only if people do not want Dani to -- not because they want Lisa to. Because of this, Lisa has little control over the outcome -- much like her time in the house.

Jagger

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a feeling Lisa won't say much of anything to the hgs, she will answer questions as briefly as she can. She has never been much for words, so I think she will stick to her game plan. hopefully the hgs will see that she really didn't play mcuh of a game and award it to the person that went all out. But I dought it, these hgs seem like the kind to vote their feelings and not by strategy value.

Woodpecke®

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A quick game of semantics will not change the present situation for Danielle. Lisa has Eric, Tonya, Roddy, Amy, and probably Lori, Marcellas, possibly Chiara and Gerry. Her work is done. She has the internet vote wrapped up. There is no way for Danielle to get 5 votes unless a miracle occurs. Lisa can lie back and get lost in her magic bellybutton and dream about trips and personal appearances.

What555456

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood -- you and I see this very differently.

As I see it, right now Lisa only has Eric. Dani has Josh and Jason. The rest (including Roddy, in my opinion) may be leaning one way or the other (perhaps anti-Dani, but I would not bet the farm on that) but are up for grabs.

I think Dani has a very good chance of getting Gerry, Chiara and Amy. Marcellus could calm down and vote for her as well. He does like her a lot, which is why he felt so hurt. Whether Lori is the type to hold a grudge for the fight when she actually has to make a decision...who knows? She was not there long enough. Tonya to me is also like Lori. Who knows where she will come down? As far as Roddy is concerned, he had once said he would vote for the person who played the best game. He could use that as his reason and come down on Dani's side if he wants to look like the "big man" on national TV.

Bmh

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What I like your optimism

But I do believe that Marcellas,Tonya,Roddy,and Eric are ALL definite Lisa votes

Josh and Jason are definte Dani votes

And I see Chiara,Gerry,Lori,and Amy somewhere in-between the 2 sides..I haven't really decided which way they will vote

What555456

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BMH -- I hear what you are saying and understand your reasoning where Marcellus and Roddy come down --although I am not as sure as you are about them being fixed. But tell me, why do you think Tonya is a sure Lisa vote?

Woodpecke®

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You and I see everything differently. You probably enjoy the taste of sea urchin and watch figure skating. I enjoy bantering back and forth with you, and your eternal devotion to Danielle will never be a hateful position on my end. Thanks for being fun and never taking my barbs too seriously; this board consistently features witty posters and you make me laugh every single day. See ya in chat tomorrow.