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Jimmer

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There’s the pro-Danielle group and the anti-Danielle and they both have their “safe” threads where they can congratulate themselves on the accuracy of their views. I’m just wondering if there are any fairly neutral fans out there? For example, while I see a lot of things about the way Danni has played that I don’t like (unnecessary bashing), I also see some positive things (her courage and determination). Comments?

(Of course, I've now probably offended 90% of the members. OOPS! )

Abbynormal

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just plain don't care one way or the other, is that neutral enough for ya?

Jazzmaroo

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think I can say that I'm fairly neutral about all the guest. I agree with you Jimmer. I think there's negative and positive in all of the HG. They're all just playin' the game.

Csnog

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am somewhat neutral.

Machellewatches

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you all. I think the winner should be who played the best game. all games are won by strategy. We may not agree with all of them, but have to admire the way the all play. Danielle the mom needs a house. Jason the guy everyone loves and under the radar Lisa. You got to respect them.

What555456

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think what really happens is that each group denies the other's basic premise and therefore there can be no resolution. Aristotle said that if two debaters deny basic premises, consensus is impossible.

The pro-Dani posters seem to feel that the winner should be the one who played the strongest game, was most involved, was most strategic. They tend to minimize Dani's dark side because they do not see it as a primary criteria for choosing the winner.

The anti-Dani posters seem to feel that the winner should be the one who has acted as ethically and morally as can be done in this game and treated the others with the most respect. They seem to maximize Dani's dark side because that is what offends them the most and minimize her game playing skills as a criteria for her winning.

As long as each group denies the basic criteria of the other, they will not rech consensus.

The thing I don't understand --and never have in three years of BB -- is the intense love or intense hate that some people feel for the HG's. How can anyone feel this way about someone they have never even met?

Onlyhuman

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jimmer, as I know you've read the "anti-Danielle" thread, you must be aware that there are several of us who are just caught in the middle. We don't necessarily dislike everything Danielle's done, but everytime we try to even post a mild critique, we get called "Dani-Haters".

I too, see negatives and positives in Danielle, just like I do with all of the HGs. I just don't feel comfortable because within the last two weeks, this board has become very polarized. So I retreated to the a safe place where I can discuss things without feeling like my words are immediately disregarded because of some perceived bias that others feel I might have.

Kappy

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Comments? Yeah ~ I'm really behind in reading all the threads so I cracked up when I saw the "safehouse" headline, lol! Has it really gotten to that bad?

Bbholden

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure how I stand really. I don't like her one iota. I sort of turned her off (more or less) awhile back. I'm not really interested in even correcting errors when I read them. If she wins then that's not my first choice, but so what? I don't hold any real emotional interest in her either. But again, if she wins, then that's the way the game goes.

I think she was a real "devil" of a player, and I think it takes a really aloof person to think so cleverly and not really have anyone catch on.. in the house that is. Being aloof is not a bad thing for some instances.. and even suits some personalities... so maybe I'm neutral??? Just not sure. I know I don't feel like I emotionally hate or dislike her. Not for real... you know?

Twiggyish

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What Onlyhuman said!

Kappy

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"The thing I don't understand --and never have in three years of BB -- is the intense love or intense hate that some people feel for the HG's. How can anyone feel this way about someone they have never even met?"

What ~ Maybe because they remind them of someone they know or work with and it's their way of working it out or resolving it to some extent? I honestly don't know. Roddy is still long gone and I cannot stand the sight of the man. I've tried to figure out who he reminds me of that creates such a strong feeling ~ as I'm sure he's a perfectly decent human being in real life (just like Danielle, ahem) ~ and I've come to the conclusion that he's a combination of people I've known over the years. There's something safe about feeling that way about someone you don't know and don't really have to deal with as opposed to feeling that way about someone you do see or work with each day.

Whit4you

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jimmer actually I'm pretty neuteral myself lol.. just got tired of all the non 'pro-dani' fans getting rediculed and bashed and dissed and labeled everytime they try to post here that's all... they have a whole thread where they can diss anyone who's not pro-dani and such.. I made a place where the REST of us (non 'pro-dani' peeps) can speak without getting attacked / bashed / labeled and such that's all.

I'm not really ANTI-DANI now that Marc's gone, I don't care if Dani win's or loses... :)

I cared back when I worried that she'd win by default .. but now if she wins...she wins cause THEY gave her the win...


If she wins I say - she definately deserves the win! :)

That's not anti-dani.. that's just not a 'pro-gawd-forbid you don't agree with the almighty-dani' stance. LOL.

Meggieprice

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All I can say is I would be happy if any one of the three left wins. But because I like Dani, I have gotten afraid to be in most of the threads on this board now. And it made me cry tonight to feel that way because I love this site.

Oregonfire

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the problem is that it becomes a battle of wills beyond anyone's original premise. Why give an inch if the other person won't?

IMO, it's not that I don't see Dani's dark side. I just don't think it's that dark. Petty, perhaps, but not dark. Her particular set of flaws don't bother me that much (except for the Gerry bashing--not nice and too far.) I've actually overhead people talk about me behind my back, and am pretty sure that people do it when I'm not in the room as well. <shrug> It's not a huge shock to me. I do it too--talk crap. The only thing I'd say is that she wasn't thinking when she did that, and it'll cost her votes. (So maybe in that sense, yes, it's still the game I'm concerned with, not the ethics/morality angle).

But a certain other hg had the habit of creeping around in the heads of other hgs and planting seeds of guilt, shame, and self-doubt in there. Big problem for me, don't like it, and would have been very disappointed if said HG won the whole thing, and would have been on the ethics/morals bandwagon all the way.

Hypermom

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Onlyhuman, those of us that like Dani feel the same way that you do. I like the three remaining HG's! But, Lisa and Jason aren't being "discussed" in such a heated manner as Dani is. The two threads are crazy, but every other thread has turned into a bash Dani thread. It's not everyone doing this, but there are a few, yes? It's not comfortable for Dani fans or for those that don't like Dani, but want to discuss her without the trash. JMO I didn't want to post at all this year after going through BB1 and BB2, but it was fun for a while. Not now though.

Curlyq

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't really want any of them to win. Does that mean I'm neutral? :)

I don't like the way Danielle has behaved, but I can't ignore the fact that if not for her intervention Jason and Lisa would probably both be gone by now. I used to support Jason a lot more, but now I can take him or leave him.

I guess I do have a block about Lisa, mainly because I don't like the way the producers have rammed her (and Eric) down our throats for so many weeks, helping the viewers fall head-over-heels for her sugar and spice routine. I won't be particularly happy if she wins, yet I just don't care enough anymore to actually get violently angry if she does. No biggie.

My favorites are gone, so I guess I am fairly neutral now.

Vanillarose

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jimmer, I know just what you mean. I admire some things about the way Danielle has played the game, and I dislike other things.

Onlyhuman

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hypermom, I've tried to discuss Lisa, but it always seems to get derailed back to Danielle. And that's by both sides.

I can see your side of it, too. I know it can't be pleasant. I'm just not sure how we resolve an issue like this. I guess it's going to be a divided board until the final curtain comes down and we all quietly drift away, either to other parts of the boards or back to our regular lives...at least until next year!

Hypermom

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Onlyhuman, thanks. I totally understand both sides. I got caught up in BB1 on here when it was a free for all about George, so its not a new thing for me. It does seem more hostile this year though.

I'll be glad to get back to real life soon. lol

Pcakes2

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Finally, a thread I can post in! I am a fan of BB. Not one house guest or another. I am a fan of the show itself. I amazes me how passionate people become about their views on people they don't know. As far as I'm concerned, they all did their jobs....they entertained me for the summer. Thanks for this thread Jimmer!

Houselover

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 09:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe you could consider me neutral. After watching Will last year and loving every minute of the game, I have enjoyed how Danielle has put the spice into a game, making it real. However at this point, I don't think she can win, and that is okay with me. I liked Jason and wanted him and Danielle to pull off this alliance all the way to the end, now I don't care if they do. Jason has not set right with me for several days now. I am really disgusted with how they treated Amy. I have never wanted Lisa to win, because she just has NOT played ANY game,(MUCH LESS BIG BROTHER) she is just there, in my opinion. So, to make it a good game, I hope Lisa gets HOH, takes Danni and wins, only because it would make a good game ending! I don't hate anyone......I JUST WANT TO WATCH SOME GOOD BIG BROTHER! Will is still the KING! I smile just remembering how wonderfully entertaining he was last year!

Yankee_In_Ca

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Count me in as a neutral watcher.

I can see the good *and* the bad in Danielle, Roddy ... nearly everyone. At this point, it doesn't really matter to me who wins, though there is a part of me that would like to see Lisa go all the way if ONLY because she's been the "underdog."

But I don't feel strongly one way or the other. I still think it's a fantastic glimpse at human behavior, and I'm still rivited by it all.

Ministryoftruth

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm pretty neutral on all the remaining hg's. They all have their good points and bad points. I really loved Curtis from BB1 and strongly hoped he would win; same for Will from BB2. This year, I don't care too much who wins at this point. Any combination of 1st, 2nd and 3rd is fine with me.

Scorpiomoon

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
At one time, I was a huge Roddy fan. I also seriously disliked Lisa.

But in the last few weeks, I have totally become neutral and am not inspired to post a lot because, lately, the show hasn't provoked any strong feelings within me.

I liked all the hgs and they all annoyed me just as much.

Honestly, I couldn't care less who did what to who, who played the game well or who wins.

Kmjm

Friday, September 20, 2002 - 10:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yup, count me in. I love to read the partisan debates on these boards, but I can only go so far. I didn't like, as Oregonfire put it, certain houseguests who made other houseguests feel bad about themselves, and I would have been upset if a certain one had been at the end, but he isn't, so I'm happy.

What I'm enjoying about BB3 is the really harmonious feeling of the last couple of weeks. Last year Will, Nicole and Monica were in a sort of tense truce but they really didn't like each other. Jason, Danielle and Lisea are really fond of each other and it's nice to see.