Is Roddy Coordinating A Loser's Campaign Against Dani?
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Zachsmom

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
pssst Richard..scroll down the thread list..you might see a really cool thread title..:)

Shewrites

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
{{Cricket says: Shewrites and Sanfran...How do we know that it wasn't edited out? I'm sure they didn't show everything the evicted houseguests said in the Q&A session. You've got to know that CBS edits the entire program to make it look like they want. }}

Anything is possible, but I honestly don't think this is the case. Here's why: First, I just got done reviewing the tape to refresh my memory. Before and after Roddy's question, there was a pretty smooth transition. I really didn't see an obvious break where they would have taken an additional question or statement out. Plus, Danielle didn't seem the least bit disturbed by Roddy's portion, she only seemed relieved. Yes, CBS can edit it any way they want, but if Roddy did say something mean, why would they take it out and leave something as benign as the PB&J question in? That wouldn't make sense. They are after ratings, and want to make the show as juicy as possible.

Second, Danielle never said that Roddy said she hurt everyone. It was clearly a statement that she made in talking to Lisa after the session was over. She didn't even mention Roddy's name at that point. I even went back to look at the live feed updates, and all that is stated are things like, "Danielle seems upset..." "Maybe Roddy was mean..." etc. All speculation. No actual statements noted where she attributes that comment specifically to Roddy. I also remember her wondering why Roddy only asked her about PB&J, and that is vaguely referred to in the updates.

I think what happened here is that Danielle and Lisa were so convinced they were going to get crushed in the Q&A, added to the fact that they couldn't see the HGs, that they were reading a lot into everything that was said, and trying to analyze it. Their heavy emotions afterward were partly because it was just a very scary situation for them, and partly because they may have been over-analyzing. It's also noted in the updates where Danielle said something about Tonya and Chiara's questions being the only mean ones.

JMO, but I think it's kind of unfair for people to attribute all kinds of nasty words and actions to Roddy, when there really is no evidence other than speculation.

Shewrites

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok... I have to eat a little crow, anyone have a fork? I just tried to edit my last post, but I made it more than 10 minutes ago. I was just reading an interview with Danielle, and she stated, "Before Roddy asked me his question, he said I hurt a lot of people." I stand corrected. Cricket, I humbly apologize. (I'm still shocked that CBS would cut that portion out, though.)

Sanfranjoshfan

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shewrites - "I was just reading an interview with Danielle, and she stated, "Before Roddy asked me his question, he said I hurt a lot of people." I stand corrected. "

Did Dani happen to mention whether or not she disagreed with Roddy's statement? Did she happen to say whether or not she *apologized* for "hurting other people" or simply *defended* her cruelty? That is just as important as that one line spoken by Roddy, taken out of context and used by Dani, a self professed liar, don'cha think? (We don't know if anything other than one snippet was said by Roddy, so without the complete convo, it is still "out of context")

People still want to condemn Roddy for him telling Dani that "she hurt a lot of people". Well, the fact of the matter is, SHE DID hurt a lot of people...and she did it needlessly, cruelly, mockingly, and without reason or just cause. (Again, I am referring to the hateful trash talking, not the game strategizing....Dani doesn't seem to understand that there is a HUGE difference)

But somehow that makes Roddy evil and Dani a victim....never mind that Dani was vehemently calling Roddy an "MF-ing 'roostersucker' and saying that she wanted to SPIT on him! She said this AFTER he was already gone!

All that adds up to Roddy being mean and Dani being an innocent victim? ...I just don't get it.

Shewrites

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 11:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
{{Sanfranjoshfan says: Did Dani happen to mention whether or not she disagreed with Roddy's statement? Did she happen to say whether or not she *apologized* for "hurting other people" or simply *defended* her cruelty? That is just as important as that one line spoken by Roddy, taken out of context and used by Dani, a self professed liar, don'cha think? (We don't know if anything other than one snippet was said by Roddy, so without the complete convo, it is still "out of context")}}

Sanfran, no I don't think she said one way or the other in that interview. In a more recent interview, she said she hasn't had the chance to talk to any of the HGs, except for Jason and Chiara.

I agree completely with you. The only thing I was apologizing for was the fact that I previously stated Roddy didn't say the line about Danielle hurting the other HGs. Apparently, he did say that and it was edited out of the show for some reason. Do I think it was bad that he said that? Absolutely not. It was the truth. She did hurt other people needlessly. Roddy is not evil, nor is Danielle a victim. All the conspiracy theories about Roddy just make me shake my head and chuckle.

Eden

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Ocean. What a lot of phonys. Ringleader Roddy. I hope they can all live the rest of their lives happy in their collective delusion about themselves. It was pretty obvious to me what was going on. So perplexing, yet, typical to see the argument rages on.

Cliotheleo

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When Roddy asked Dani the question about the PB&J, we saw a shot of Lori looking at Roddy and saying, "Good one!" Given the greated context I'm sure that's a clue to SOMETHING, I just don't know what it is. :)

Of maybe Lori just thought that was a good question?

Scorpiomoon

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Damn you, Richardfan! :)

Eden

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 01:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy was trying to demean and discount Danielle by his question. No problem figuring that one out. His mind was made up. Roddy might as well have asked her the color of the usual sky. Just another Roddy bitter dig. Some people only pretend graciousness.

Itsallgood

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 05:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You people are giving Roddy wayyyyy to much credit. I'm going to think that every one of the evicted HG have a mind of their own and they used it to make their decision! He wasn't in that room when they put their key in, most of them got to see the tapes, so I'm gonna stick by my original thought and say they did exactly what they wanted to, not what Roddy wanted them to do.

BTW, I was a Dani fan at the first of the show. It's her mouth that changed my mind!!!!!

JMO

Babyruth

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eden, I agree completely. In fact, Roddy's whole appearance and demeanor on the final show was one of thinly veiled resentment, as though he was forced against his will to participate. His slouch, his smirk, and his rote statement that he played the game with ethics was stale. He seemed to me like a typical sore loser kid. I think he's truly not accustomed to losing and doen't know how to accept it or do it graciously.

Cricket

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Shewrites, thank you for the apology. I thought I remembered in the live feeds Danielle saying something to Lisa about the fact that Roddy said she had hurt a lot of the houseguests. I thought then it was another of his cruel and manipulative remarks and I still do. It's a subliminal message telling Danielle she is a 'bad' person.

I don't agree with you and SanFranJoshFan as to how he meant it, but that's fine. We all have different opinions. I'm beginning to see why those of us who like Danielle don't have a problem with her DR tapes. It's because everything she said was TRUE, at least to us who also disliked the houseguests she went after, especially Roddy. As far as her imitating people, I and another poster have said she was joking! I feel it was a way to let off steam and keep her sanity. I don't think she meant anything harmful by it and shame on the houseguests if they can't laugh at themselves. Everyone needs to once in awhile. How ironic that all the women and Marci discussed Amy in that white dress throwing herself at Roddy and yet Danielle imitates Amy (only in front of Lisa) and the other houseguests think Dani is the bad one? Hah! They need to take a look in the mirror.

I won't give those other loser houseguests any credit for having a mind of their own. Look at Josh..he was so for Danielle, but Roddy plays him so good, he doesn't know which end is up, so yes I do still believe Roddy influenced those poor 'hurt' houseguests.

Prisonerno6

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The sad fact for Danielle is that Roddy didn't have to do anything to make her lose. Danielle is the one who gave the houseguests reasons to vote for Lisa over her.

Lori -- the argument with Danielle over Gerry and Danielle's subsequent "she's crazy" campaign got her evicted.

Tonya -- Tonya had the girl power bond with Lisa, and Danielle kept calling her a bad mother even after she was evicted (and let's not forget that Danielle in her drunken haze the last night displayed many of the same behaviors she complained abotu in Tonya)

Eric -- Why would he vote for Danielle? One of the smartest game-playing moves Lisa made was not to vote him back in.

Josh -- This is the only vote I can see that Roddy might have swayed. In interviews he was quite complimentary of Danielle's game playing, but I do think he was honestly impressed with how Lisa tunred down the money for the phone call. That might be the excuse he used to go with the crowd and vote for Lisa, though.

Chiara -- I think her vote may have been influenced by Roddy, but only indirectly, by Danielle's constant, "He's the Devil!" comments. Based on her apology to Roddy I think she believes some of that is due to is association with the "underdogs" in the house like her, Josh, and Gerry, and she may not have thought Danielle should be rewarded for that. Also, there is still a bond between Chiara and Lisa. Chiara seemed very torn for which person to vote for, and that bond could have simply swayed it in Lisa's favor.

Gerry -- He said he wouldn't vote for Danielle after seeing the nasty things she said about him on the tapes, befare Roddy was evicted.

Marcellas -- Good grief, he changed his mind walking out the door! He said he wanted Lisa to win in his eviction interview, and nothing he saw subsequently would change his mind -- and Roddy didn't have to.

Amy -- Again, she has stated that it was Danielle's trash talking that changed her mind, and this was before she even talked to Roddy. Amy said in the hosue the one thing she couldn't forgive was being mocked, and Danielle mocked her time and time again.

All this "Roddy campaigned against Danielle" is just an excuse. Her behavior inside the house was despicable, behavior that had absolutely nothing to do with the game. It seems to me that people who want to believe Roddy is the sole reason for the 9-1 vote don't want to admit that Danielle's behavior is wrong. Just because it was a game, doesn't make it right. Just becuase others showed the same behavior at times, doesn't make it right. Just because she did it for her family, doesn't make it right.

By changing alliances within the house and choosing the less obvious players with whom to work, Lisa played as strong a strategic game as Danielle, but without any arrogant showmanship, and she played it while still managing to maintain ties with other players. Maybe, just maybe, the houseguests aren't as pliable as some would like to think, and they actually made up their own minds and voted for the person they thought played the strongest complete game.

Prisonerno6

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 09:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Let's see...we have delusional houseguests who don't see that their behavior was as bad as the behavior which was the alleged reason for which they voted against Danielle? Then what were they apologizing to everyone for? Amy's question gave Danielle a chance to apologize for the mean things she said, and she chose not to. The houseguests realized their behavior was wrong, Danielle said she'd do it all over again the same way.

Roddy's demeanor in the Q&A session showed he knew the outcome because he manipulated it. His demeanor was also that of a sore loser. OK, so if he wanted Danielle to lose the $500,000, and he knew he had the votes by the Q&A session...then how was he a sore loser? Wasn't he getting just what he wanted?

C'mon. If Roddy was that good at getting 9 other people to do what he wanted, he would be a half million dollars richer.

Avrey258

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 10:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, I believe had it not been for Danielle Roddy thinks he could have been a half million dollars richer.

He controlled so many houseguests, yet had it not been for Danielle seeing through his ability to manipulate the other houseguests he may well have been in the final two.

Did ya watch the final show? Chiara actually apologizing to him! He had Marcellas and Amy in a love frenzy. Eric was his lap-dog. Josh was his puppet. Please, he worked most of them. So obvious.
I don't give Roddy all the credit though. Alot had to do with the bitterness of the evictees. They couldn't see past their own hurt feelings to analyze the game. I still give Roddy the "Get Over Yourself" Award!

Cassie

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 10:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<the "Get Over Yourself" Award!>

Isn't that what the $50G 2nd prize should have been called on Wednesday night? Talk about a LOUD and clear message to Dani -- WOW! No wonder she beat feet out of that house so quickly. She was so humiliated, and she richly deserved it. Maybe she'll really learn something from her bible now, such as "You reap what you sow", "An eye for an eye" etc. etc.

Cricket

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ditto, Avery! I couldn't BELIEVE Chiara was apologizing to Roddy! I too think Roddy thought if not for Danielle (damn her bright mind and independence) he would have been the winner. He had everyone else eating out of his hand.

You are right also in that those evictees had free will, but chose to let their personal feelings cloud their judgement as to who actually played the game the best.

I'm telling you, when Roddy first told Chiara "I have to be in control" I thought of Oprah and when she said "When people tell you who they are BELIEVE them." Roddy admitted to being a control freak and that's what he is. However, that doesn't scare me as much as his denial of his actions.

In the article quoted above, Danielle also points out that Roddy did lie and she stated the lies. She also felt that Roddy 'manipulated' a 9-1 vote against her.

This game really was about "clash of the Titans"...Danielle and Roddy.

Crossfire

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When saying Roddy controlled so many houseguests, what exactly do you mean by that?

What evidence is there to support such a claim?

Is it the fact that he made it to the end?

Should we look at how all his in house friends made it to the end?

Should we maybe examine how none of the alliances he was part of never once formed a proper voting block?


For the endgame votes, a credible argument can be made for each of the votes that does not include any connection to Roddy, and the claims made are simple observations with no supporting facts.

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cricket - "I'm beginning to see why those of us who like Danielle don't have a problem with her DR tapes. "

I gotta say...I don't like Dani, but I don't have a problem with her DR comments either. It wasn't in the DR that she said many times that Tonya was a bad mother. It wasn't in the DR that she said she wanted to spit on Roddy and called him a MF-ing "roostersucker", nor was it in the DR that she actually PRAYED for help to defeat "this devil". It wasn't in the DR that she mocked Amy after having discussions with Amy about how much it upset Amy when she was mocked.

Dani's DR comments were all purely game play, with some typical game type trash talking thrown in (like a boxer or wrestler might do) She played to the cameras in there, doing her count downs and laughing at how great she was.

It was her *other* non game playing remarks that turned ME off. When she made her first revelations in the DR I was SO rooting for her because I thought she was sly and cunning.....but after awhile I realized that she was also hateful and cruel and judgemental. That's what did her in....not her strategizing. When she was being so cruel it appeared to be real judgementalness, not just playing to the cameras like she did in the DR .

I can't imagine how Amy finding out all the mean things Dani said about her would not be enough for her to *make up her own mind* about her vote. I can't imagine that it was Roddy's doing that Tonya was upset for being called a "lousy mom" over and over. I don't see how it was Roddy's fault for Lori choosing Lisa over Dani...after all, Lori was only in the house for a week and it was DANI that blew up at her and pushed all her buttons (about how she felt about people talking behind the backs of others...Gerry's hand washing).

It seems obvious to me that the ex HG had plenty of reasons to vote against Dani....without Roddy's "magic".

JMO

Cricket

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 10:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crossfire, did you never read the live feeds when Roddy would doubletalk Chiara until she apologized to HIM for something HE had done? It would have been funny if it wasn't so sad.

That man would say "I forgive you" to make the houseguests feel they had wronged him when they actually hadn't. He was playing mind games with them and they fell for it. He admitted he played on their weaknesses. He was so very cruel to Amy, I'm shocked she couldn't see it. If it wasn't for Dani, Amy wouldn't have been in the house to win the $10,000 she won, but I guess she forgot about that after a little talk with Roddy.

I'm sorry if I sound so against him, but people like him really, really scare me. I can see through people right away and I think that was something that Danielle could do also. Even Julie Chen tried to tell Roddy he was a scoundrel.

Crossfire

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 10:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, I consider myself informed of the things he did in the house, but I would argue that the outcome, his predicament, and that of those around him, do not support theories of his ability to manipulate effectively.

His techniques failed spectacularly.

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crossfire - "His techniques failed spectacularly."

SO true! :)

Ginger1218

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfranjoshfan, I agree 100% with what you just posted.

Cricket

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crossfire, aptly put. Wouldn't it be nice if he realized that. Great post.

Loppes

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 02:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cricket,
Please quote where "even Julie Chen tried to tell Roddy he's a scoundrel". She has never said that to my knowledge! I'm getting tired of people claiming they can see through Roddy, but couldn't see through Danielle. Its very unfair, and its a little silly now, to continue to bring up Roddy and blame him for the fact that Danielle lost the top prize. People can blame Roddy, the other 8 houseguests, and anyone else but Danielle. Fact of the matter is, I highly doubt 9 houseguests and the majority of BB watchers including us on the internet were wrong. I think more people "saw" through Danielle. She didn't have to stoop to the level she did. I liked her at first, but she lost all credibility with me. If people want to blame someone, then Blame Canada, but for god's sake, leave Roddy alone.
Lon

Avrey258

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 03:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cassie,
I agree that Dani was probably humiliated at the season finale. But not anymore. I believe that she has spoken to enough people by now to realize that many of the evicted houseguests were bitter and hypocritical.

Looking at that interview with EW it is obvious that Danielle now knows that some of her former houseguests had been worked over and that by the time the questioning of her came around they had all joined in the collusion to make her pay, all the while freeing themselves from their own misdeeds! Oh, she knows!