Implications for BB4? will hgs be afraid to "play the game?"
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Implications for BB4? will hgs be afraid to "play the game?"
Wendo | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:02 pm     Btw, as to someone commenting about Will's diary rooms. I disagree. I remember QUITE a few mean entries by him. Not saying it's right or wrong, just that they did happen. I don't think Dani had a chance with this years HG's, and specifically with the honesty and ethics angle being put out there early by Roddy and the "good" person has to win angle. Too many of them picked up this mantra throughout the game that it was going to be a given at the final vote. Lying, backstabbing, and deceit was not going to get approval from this years HG's. Every group is different. And this year, it was a focus on "good" people and "good" behavior. I'm not surprised by tonight's outcome necessarily. |
Lilkimishot | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:04 pm     The reason Danielle looked so silly and ended up losing is because she assumed-from week two-that it would be her and Jason in the final two. She forgot to factor in the fact that there was other people in the game. If it were the Jason and Dani in the final two, yes she would have probably still lost, but the EHGs couldn't have hammered on her "meanness" as much, because Jason was right there all along...in most cases doing the actual dirty work. When she made it to the final two with someone that appeared to genuinely mean no harm to anyone...it threw her whole plan out of whack. That's something that future HGs can't rely on. You can assume you're going to make it to the final two (most everyone in the finals do usually assume that at some point in the game) but you can't assume who you're going to be there with. This year (with all the "twists") that was especially true. (At week 4 not too many people thought Amy would outlast them) So (IMO of course ) these people need to stop worrying about alliances. Just cos Richard Hatch did it 5 survivors ago...doesn't mean you gotta do it too. Making real bonds and friendships (w/o backstabbing) is important. Making "to the end" alliances and manipulating everyone it takes to make it is not important. Take a tour of reality TV show winners. More of them than not didn't have ABSOLUTE alliances with several people. BB fans like bringing up Will but his only "alliance" was more of a group of goofy friends. His true allgience was to himself and at the end it was hard to hate him. Ok...I'll shut up now |
Cindyluvsroddy | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:04 pm     It goes to show ya, you can't simply only play the game as aggressive .... You need to play to the Jury as well ... Dani played her game lopsided. She only worried or thought about what was going on in the house - instead of what was going on outside of the house. Maybe nexts years strong, aggressive player will learn that to win votes in the end - they need not trash talk as much as Dani - and know when to play low key Dani was hyper - always played aggressively - worried so much about Roddy, she forgot to focus on a bigger scale ... I give Dani credit on playing hard - but i give Lisa more credit on winning the Jury |
Jimmer | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:10 pm     Danielle played brilliantly, except and it's a huge except, she trash talked the other players when she didn't have to (especially after they were evicted and in the DR). Will was funny and he wasn't saying much in the DR that he wouldn't say straight to their faces anyway. A lot of those people loved Danielle - I don't think anyone loved Will (except himself) so they were never disappointed in him. And yes, a lot of them trashed talked in many worse ways themselves, but they are a bunch of hypocrites that don't like it when others do it. |
Cricket | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:14 pm     Yep, I was just saying in another thread that Dani didn't seem to realize her DR tapes were being made public. I wonder what BB tells them about what they say in the DR? Unfortunately, next year probably won't be worth watching if everyone wants to win and feel they have to be PC to do so. As I said in the other thread, the highlights of the shows were the things revealed in the DR (and I LOVED Danielle's this year) and next year why bother watching when you can just read the live feeds. It will be totally boring and I thing CBS deserves what they get. They also steered opinions by questions and 'suggestions' to the houseguests in the DR. |
Tobor7 | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:15 pm     Will looked like he was really having fun. He was smart and funny. He was entertaining. You got the feeling he wasn't playing for the money. Dani said if she had it to do over again she would do it the same way! (How stupid is that? Not to learn from your mistake.) AND THIS IS WHY next year there will be some people who just will not be able to help themselves. They may attempt to be kind, and polite but an unkind person can't fake it for three months. Sooner or later they will slip up. The shrinks and producers in the selection process will see to that. It is hard to find tha Jasons--- not so hard to find the others. And they will never EVER find another med school graduate! |
Sybilbb3oracle | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:20 pm     Dani lost because she had no respect for her enemies. |
Moe | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:27 pm     The EVH should be sequestered like another (more successful) reality show is. They should NOT be allowed to view any tapes or DR's. If they had not seen the DR tapes, Danielle would have won. |
Mystery | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:27 pm     It's not like it was a surprise that they'd see the tapes, though. At least it wouldn't have been a surprise to anyone who saw the previous seasons. |
Krossd | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:28 pm     Kminfinity it wasn't that "Dani said anything meaner or nastier than anyone else... ", or even that she lied in the game... Personally I don't think it was even the Dairy Room enteries so much as it was HOW many times she said things and how OFTEN and how LONG she'd go on and on about something. If you don't get that then - then you just aren't able to understand our point of view, our perspective. Understanding doesn't mean you have to agree. |
Azriel | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 08:59 pm     Moe, that's what makes winning this game more difficult. You have to play two games at once. You have to play in the house and outside the house. I hope they don't change that. It's one of the things that makes the show unique and interesting. |
Ark | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:23 pm     I doubt that this years BB will have any effect on next year's because it seems that the majority of people that apply for this show have never really watched it before. |
Mikrsmith | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:35 pm     I think that Dani’s biggest mistake was the Diary Room. Even though the producers prompted her. Don’t think that the producers tried to drag Jason into the same situations. Everyone with Live feed saw moments of the True Jason, especially when reminiscing about the Dinner From Hell. Jason didn’t crack under the producers interrogation and had Dani just waited 12 weeks and used her prize money to vent to a therapist then she would be $500,000 richer and she would have come off as sweet as Jason did. Watch out what you say in the DR, that's my advice for future BB Houseguests. |
Wendo | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:36 pm     Tobor7 said, "Dani said if she had it to do over again she would do it the same way! (How stupid is that? Not to learn from your mistake.)" Tobor, I think she's referring to how she played the game and what moves she made in it to get to the final two. At this point, she isn't aware of the ramifications of how her gossiping in the house affected the other HG's. (Well, maybe she is now at the cast party.) Anyway, what I'm saying is, I do think that once she realizes that the EHG were upset by her gossiping, she would own up to that and admit it hurt her game. You can't fault her for saying she'd play the game the same when she doesn't have all the necessary information to make an informed opinion. And, you have to admit, she doesn't. (The other HG's have been out of the house and know, but Lisa and Dani don't.) It wouldn't surprise me if we do hear from Dani that she would change that aspect of her game playing. |
Lisad | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:40 pm     Unless BB comes up with some rules for voting for the final 2 and/or comes up with some point to this that makes sense - I'm not going to invest the time in it like this year. |
Tobor7 | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 09:58 pm     I hope she does Wendo. |
Niceguy | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 10:05 pm     This business of some players NEVER getting nominated has GOT to be fixed. That nearly wrecked this season for me. That would definitely cause more creative game playing than two people sliding through the whole game unscathed. |
Mystery | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 10:07 pm     I don't see how you can make it so that everyone gets nominated, but I would like to see some points or some advantage given to people who win HOH competitions, above and beyond choosing the evictees. The people who throw the competitions bother me more than the people who manage not to be nominated. |
Peepinagain | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 10:31 pm     My guess is next year anytime anyone nominates anyone they'll just say - I see you both as a threat to me and thats why I nominated you. And keep their real feelings to themselves. Of course it will be a boring show to watch. I really didn't see D do anything that nasty. Of course she ended up lying at the end but when it gets to the end you have to lie especially if someone confronts you. Mar did spill to Rod and so Dan did right to cut him loose, it seems everyone forgot about that. Anyway in my humble opinion, the best player didn't win. Don't get me wrong I like Lisa too and I'm happy for her but she didn't start playing the game till Dan opened her eyes when she was almost evicted (she wasn't because Dan managed to save her)and then she followed Dan and did everything she told her to do. So was she really playing her game or Dani's? The votes were a total disappointment. |
Crispy | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 10:32 pm     How about if the lowest 2 score in the HOH competition are automatically the two nominees - and the HOH gets a special power of veto to save one and then the 3rd lowest scoring person would be up - could be interesting |
Pugholio | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 10:42 pm     Not offending a jury is the biggest part of the game. Why is that so difficult for some to get? Do you really want to live life in turmoil stepping on as many toes as you can? Do you really expect that doing so shouldn't come back to haunt you? |
Peepinagain | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 10:45 pm     I really like your idea Crispy, wonderful! It puts a whole new spin on the game. Little less chance of people backstabbing you, unless somehow they're able to block you or slow you down during a game so you lose or come in next to last. |
Betty | Wednesday, September 25, 2002 - 11:16 pm     I have a question here about Dani and Will. We out here in internet land have recently been comparing Will and Dani, but tell me how Lisa being cooped up for 3 months miraculously came up with this too? Also, wasn't it she who hadn't watched BB before? Hmmm. |
Eden | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:40 am     I for one do think that the game for the viewers will suffer. I LIKE those honest DR sessions! I LIKED having at least ONE player honestly share thoughts and strategy about the game and fellow HGs. Now, we'll never have any honest insights. All entries will be like Roddy, and Jason..."Everyone is great... I love everyone in this house... BLAH BLAH BLAH". A whole lot of nothing. The diary room entries should be for VIEWERS and not for evicted HGs. Wasn't its intention originally to be a place for Hgs to vent and share true feelings, a respite from the game? Well, that's over and WE will suffer. If you have the feeds or spend much time at this great site, there's absolutely NO reason to watch the show at all without the DR. |
Oregonfire | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:50 am     I don't want to watch a bunch of PC crap either. I like the revealing DRs. No one can be an automaton 24-7. I guess that the whole Big Brother concept: Everyone will supposedly behave perfectly if they are watched and monitored 24-7. Privacy is a vital part of being a human being, I think. |
Adrian | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:50 am     Danielle was not punished. They all have sinned in that house. They all condoned her actions while they are inside the house and playing this game. They did not vote for her or they will forgive anyone but Danielle because they cannot and will ever accept the fact that Danielle had outsmarted and outwitted them all. If they will say that their votes signify their punishment to Danielle. Wow. They are indeed the biggest group of hypocrites that ever played this kind of game. I can't stop LOL in this one, once again they are all awesome & ready to forgive everyone except the woman who outsmarted and outwitted them all. They can't even stand up for their own votes! YUCK! For Josh, it's like okay okay ... I also voted for Lisa. Are you all happy guys? |
Stingerman | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:16 am     You still have a big problem Eden if you don't want EHG's to see DR tapes. The only way that will happen is to sequester them until the game is over. Would you sign up for a show knowing that after week one you could be sitting in a hotel room for 3 months not able to talk to your family or friends? |
Mrsm45 | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:37 am     I think Danielle messed up during the questions session. She could have gotten more votes and possibly even made it a tie if she had just let herself be the loving Danielle she was to them while they were there. I mean, her only regret was that she let go of the key? Seriously it was downhill from there. If she had just played the game to the end and not stopped at the final two, she would have still had a chance. But for some reason she didn't. She lied to everyone (by her own admission), why not go that final step further and lie and say she regretted all the mean stuff she said about people and say she was sooooo sorry and that she didn't mean all that and she loved them. Poor it on thick. Why stop playing when you need it the most? She messed up with people like Amy and Marcellus, Gerry and even Josh may have stuck to his guns, if she had only played the game just one more day. But she quit playing when Jason walked out the door, just a little too soon. |
Bigfan | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:52 am     Okay, just my take on this year. I loved this season and the people were so great to keep an eye on. As the future of the game, the houseguest on a whole were not playing to win 500,000, they were playing to have STAR time. Most of the players at some point in the house said that they hadn't watched the show before or had very little exposure to it. I don't think the houseguests voted for Lisa's good game, I think they couldn't get over the negitive way Dani made them look. I guess that I would say that if you entered a Bigbrother house with "game" people, you could play it like Dani. If you entered the house with "star" people, you better be a good actor yourself. |
Ginger1218 | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 08:11 am     I don't believe it was the DR that did her in. Because a lot of people were nasty in the DR (including Will from last year). BUT -- she came across as very maternal, she was the mommy, and then when their backs were turned, she was the vilest, meanest person there. They felt totally betrayed. She picked on every bad thing or habit, and made a whole thing of it. And when Lori called her on it, her eyes bugged out and she went off on Lori. Stupidly the other HGs fell for it. I believe her intense bashing of other people is what was her downfall. Not the bashing in the DR. You can lie, cheat, but betrayal is hard to take. You want to be the evil one, at least be up front about it. Don't hide behind sweetness. What did make me a little sick last night, was people saying they loved each other after suffering verbal abuse. Was a little over the top. Although Chiara's face in a few shots was priceless. She was disgusted. Roddy was true to form, I feel he put Josh and Chiara up to saying what he wanted to say. Instead he asked a harmless question about PBJ. All in all, I believe next year's HGs need to play their own game and not look at past years. Be tough, but not outright cruel. |
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