Did Danielle not learn anything from the outcome??
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Monalisa

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 11:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani is exactly right, had she played any differently, she never would have made it to the final two. Take a look at why they loved her so much in the house. Not only was she their friend, but she ENTERTAINED them with her so-called "trash talking." They would ask her to do it or tell it again. She also used her "trash talking" to sway other hg's to vote the way she wanted them to or to nominate who she felt should be nominated. Those hg's were plain stupid to think she wasn't doing the same thing to them, it's their egos which are hurt, not their feelings.

I have seen several posters say that Lisa played to the jury. I would like to know how she did that. Could somebody please tell me how she was playing to them when she did her own trash talking or joined in with Danielle?

BTW, I'm not a sore loser, since I lost nothing.

Eden

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 11:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Learned her lesson? Danielle needs to learn the lesson or is it the other HGs? Who are the ones convicting someone that did no more than they did or did what they TRIED to do BETTER?

I agree with Oregonfire. The DR shouldn't be a place for more pablum speak. The DR was designed as a "free space" to be honest about thoughts and strategy. To later be penalized for BELIEVING that, or for perhaps, overestimating the courageousness and character of the other HGs seems like a let down. We, the viewers, will suffer next year when all we see are watered down versions of the truth and NO real strategy revealed.

Seems to me, most of the HGs were still upset at being outplayed by Danielle, to the point of delusion, mostly about themselves. All full of forgiveness, except for the one person that BEAT them all! None of them seem to remember their true selves inside the house.

Lessons? Hmmmmmmmm... Still not sure what lessons she should learn. Honesty or dishonesty? Seems she played them both, neither benefited. Total dishonesty? Seems from the votes of the EVH that is the way to go, since that plays into their skewed visions of themselves. Some lesson!

Realtvfan

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
For me, the biggest lesson it appears that Dani DID NOT LEARN, is the game playing plan that came out of HER OWN MOUTH time and time again.

"Keep your eyes wide open and your mouth shut."

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Alegria

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 02:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There are lots of things about Dani I don't respect and think luck had a lot to do with her making it to the end. She has taken a lot more credit than is merited for the fact that she made it to the end. Two people had to! It was not her DRs that did her in but who she was in the house 24/7. Most of her meanness was not strategic but just because she got off on putting people down. She was loyal to Jason because any IDIOT would be. How smart would it have been to betray a person of his calibre? She did plant plenty of seeds near the end about how unbeatable he would be in the final two (fill in the blanks people, the message being sent was 'Jason has to go and ____ has to do it for me").

Just because someone is prompted to repeat a countdown by the producers in order to create some dramatic continuity does not mean she was worthy of getting there. I think the producers helped her stay in the house because she was good tv and they may have helped determine the final votes by the things they asked & told the ETV. Dani got what she deserved.

Lisa played a much better game considering she had to evict people, survive a strong alliance where Roddy was looking to protect Eric and not her and LISA knew that. While she cared about Eric, Lisa was in the house to play the game and I think she realized that the moon-spoon-June stuff was messing with any chances of developing a decent strategy. Lisa came out of the house with a lot more money and friends than she went in with and Dani left with a decent amount of cash and a stupendous friend named Jason. One thing - Dani's constant referral to Jason as 'He's mah boy' really wore thin. She was like a broken record in the way she repeated so many things which led me to start thinking that she had no new ideas and did not have the capacity to creatively strategize beyond a certain point and that is why she lost. Dani was better entertainment and Lisa was the better player.

Gina8642

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 05:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
???

Dani has been out of that house for fewer than 48 hours. She hasn't had a chance to digest anything yet. I think we are all judging her a little harshly if we get upset because she 'hasn't learned anything yet'. Give her a little time. I don't think she fully understands what even went down yet. I think I would have to give her at least two months to digest her experience and reflect on it. She was in a very stressful focused environment. Give her a break!!!

Robinyyes

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 06:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
For those who think that since Dani has only been out for a short time, and we shouldn't judge her too harshly....cuz gee whiz she needs time to digest why she lost.....

It might have been nice if you had given the same understanding and slack to Roddy... :shrug:

Fluff

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 06:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm pretty sure that she knows she was wrong. But why would she admit that? I don't blame her for not doing so. The game is over, and if she admits that she was wrong, then there would be no point. It's not like admitting she was wrong would get her the other $450,000. It's too late now. She should just go on about her life, and try not to make the same mistakes in the future.

Efilon

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 07:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I keep seeing statements that "Roddy manipulated the vote." How do we know that? From an interview with Danielle: "...Before Roddy asked me his question, he said I hurt a lot of people, and I knew by his tone, Roddy influenced a lot of people not to give me a vote."

Why didn't you give a speech at the end saying, ''Yes, I was harsh in the diary room but it was a game. I still love you folks.'' Why did you say, instead, that you'd do nothing different?
You know, I thought about that, but you gotta understand Roddy was in the room and he influenced a lot of people. I'm a woman with a lot of pride. I said to myself, ''I'm not going to say this because they may not believe me.'' If I want to apologize and ask for forgiveness, I'll do it afterwards. I wasn't going to grovel."



Has anyone ever considered that there may have been more than one reason that people voted against Dani?
1) The needless trash talking.
2) Her answers to the questions she was asked.
3) The fact that Lisa didn't take the $$ for the phone call, showing her care for her fellow houseguests. Yes I know Amy took the money too but she wasn't up there to be judged.
4) Her final betrayal of Jason, when she made the deal with Lisa in the boat.
5) The diary room where she said, "Jason and Lisa don't understand, the money means more to me than either one of them."
I think that all of these things could have played a part in their decisions. Also, does anyone think the EHGs families may have played some part in decisions by telling them what they had seen on live feeds or read in lf transcripts?
I don't understand how Dani and others can say for a fact that Roddy manipulated the votes.
In my opinion, which could very well be wrong, I think D was jealous of Roddy because he is very intelligent and had advantages and opportunities that she hasn't had. I had thought that before but when the final three were there she made a remark that of the final three, none were college graduates I felt even more strongly that she was jealous of the hgs who had things she didn't.

Okay, this is all just my opinion and speculation.
I think Dani is probably a wonderful wife and mother. I hope she can learn from this experience. We all can learn from everything that happens if we just take the time to look back and really think about it.

Avrey258

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 07:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Robinyyes,
I did give the same understanding to Roddy. Unfortunately, I do not believe that Roddy sat down and watched the tapes. I really don't. He said as much. He went immediately to Vegas, then was busy calling all the evicted houseguests to "get on their good side"! Same Old Rod. Isn't that what he use to say to the other houseguests?

Roddy went by what others whispered in his ear. The irony is that he had the nerve to say to Danielle, "You hurt alot of people", while telling the other houseguests that he was "awesome" to all of them." Sadly, they all fell for it. He manipulated them in and out of the house. Amy and Marcellas never stood a chance.

The one bright moment was when Julie asked him upon his eviction if he ever lied. He was like a deer in the headlights waiting for the bomb, or should I say tape to drop. Even good ole Rod couldn't remember what he had said.

As to the topic, I hope Danielle has learned that it is O.K. to lie and backstab if you get evicted anytime before the final two. Then you are given the chance to make amends and all will be forgiven. However, if you do make it to the final two, watch out. You will have alot of bitter and angry jurors who have forgotten their own misdeeds and the vote will come down to the popularity contest that it was.

Crazydog

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Is there any proof to Danielle's assertion that Roddy got everyone to vote against her? I think Danielle will continue to blame Roddy for her loss for the rest of her days. That's sad. I think people had plenty of enough reason to vote against her without Roddy's help. She is just looking for an outlet to blame because she doesn't want to acknowledge her part in her loss.

Costacat

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Adrian wrote (Note I removed the "shouting" all caps):
"You could see in Josh, Lori, Chiara and Gerry's eyes that they want 'the best player' Danielle to win the game but they can't vote for [sic] because of peer poressure and the 'moralists' say the nicest player should win."

Oh, please. There is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever that Roddy had any control over the votes. He may have contacted the evicted houseguests, but each and every one of those people have minds of their own.

In addition, Roddy would have no "control" over Lori's vote, and I highly doubt that he would have any over Gerry's vote.

Danielle can blame Roddy until cows fly, and it's not going to change the outcome.

Danielle lost the game. The reasons WHY she lost are pretty irrelevant at this point, yes? (Although I suspect that her constant badmouthing of the evicted HGs contributed greatly to her loss.)

Battlestar

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 09:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If it makes Danielle feel better to blame 'The Devil" then let her have it as solace.

Cassie

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 11:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Efilon, do you have a link for the interview you quoted in your above post, please? Thank you!

Cas

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,355372~3~0~danielledishesonlosing,00.html

It´s in this article Cassie

Ministryoftruth

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great post Efilon. I agree with everything you said.

Cassie

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 11:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Cas :)

Bigsister

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 02:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If the houseguests did not want to vote for Lisa, there was nothing Roddy could do about it. People voted the way they wanted to vote, period. If Josh felt pressured to change his vote it was Josh's fault, not Roddy's.

In the BB house, nobody was under Roddy's spell more than Jason, yet Roddy did not have enough power to make Jason vote for Lisa.

Keiffer

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 03:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How do you get people to do something they dont want to? You offer them something in exchange for it. Or in the case of political campaings you promise something will be given to a person in the future for their vote today (like social security, or tax cuiuts or something).

In the BB house you did it by promising not to nomminate a person, or to veto them, or to not vote against them for an eviction. What exactly does Roddy have to offer these people at this point? Of he has nothing to offer, so he had no carrot to sway peoples minds with.

BTW it was not the DR that cost Danny... it was being the biggest most vocal person in the house about trustworthiness, and then being the polar opposite. Will never held hemself out as a Christian who always keeps his word. He proved you could talk opnely in the DR and still win. The DR doesnt affect the vote near as much as how you play the game, and interact with people.

Oregonfire

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 03:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I tell you what Roddy had to offer--tight buns in wet boxer shorts. Many of those outside the house were clamoring for his attention inside of the house as well. That's why I think they were easily swayed. ON THE OTHER HAND, I realize that many of the HGs had good reasons for not wanting to give Dani the half mil on their own, but some did not and may have been tempted by visions of Roddy dancing in their heads. JFK basically got voted for president because he looked oh-so-charming next to Nixon on television during their debate. People let sex appeal influence them all the time (big generalization, I know).

There could have been multiple forces at work on how the EVHGs voted is all I'm saying, some more valid than others.

Loppes

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 03:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregonfire,
Lol, if Roddy has so much influence on people then maybe he should be called God and not Devil. :)
Lon

Denecee

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dani won $50,000 YEAH!

Oregonfire

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 05:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If God has kickin' six-pack abs, then, well yeah, maybe. :) I think it's run-of-the-mill sex appeal in this case. Of course just my opinion. I just don't think that the evicted HGs motives to vote against Dani/for Lisa were all that noble, because their motivations in the house were never that noble either. Panting all over Roddy was the best that some of them could muster. (Chiara and Josh in particular, Amy in certain instances, Marcellas in certain instances, though the latter two on occasion were pretty astute. The latter two also had more reasons to not want Dani to win the grand prize.)

(Tobor, if you're out there, I am giving credence to your idea that people's behavior is predictable, so if you're keeping tabs on my arguments, there's an "I agree!" for you and a contradiction to what I said in the past.)

Fungii

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 05:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, I thought about that, but you gotta understand Roddy was in the room and he influenced a lot of people. I'm a woman with a lot of pride. I said to myself, ''I'm not going to say this because they may not believe me.'' If I want to apologize and ask for forgiveness, I'll do it afterwards. I wasn't going to grovel.

This really bugged me. She's perfectly willing to trash people on national television watched by millions, and yet if she feels the need to apologize, she'll do it in private. Something doesn't seem right about that.

Maybe Danielle hasn't learned anything from this experience, but I sure have. Pride is most definately a sin. [and I'm an atheist]

Wendo

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 05:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fungii, perhaps, though, Dani didn't want the HG's to feel the apology was insincere, as it would've probably seemed, since they were voting for her to win or lose the money. Frankly, I would prefer a personal one on one apology to one before I'm about to give or not give you some cash. And, I think it would've seemed insincere to the viewers, us, and the HG's.

Perhaps she wants to make amends in private, where it really counts. JMO.

Zeyna

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 06:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh no Oregon, you made me picture Gerry daydreaming of Roddy dancing in his boxers.

Shortnsweet

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 07:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Oregon, I think you are a Dani supporter and I am not. Yet, I agree with your post! Isn't that great? Maybe there is common ground!

Tobor7

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregon said:
(Tobor, if you're out there, I am giving credence to your idea that people's behavior is predictable, so if you're keeping tabs on my arguments, there's an "I agree!" for you and a contradiction to what I said in the past.)

I'll be right back, just checking to see what has frozen over...
(LOL)