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Bigbrotherbelle

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm glad I'm not the only one who had to LOL when Lisa said she knew about Danielle and Jason since Week 3/

Wendo

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 11:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hm, now Lisa is saying she didn't agree with the six pack at all. And that she was pressured into her nominations and did them because she didn't want the other people against her. She didn't want Mar up nor did she want him to get evicted.

If that's the case, then why did she say in the diary room after Gerry used the PoV that they were all ignoring him because he went against the group. Would she not have expressed relief and gratitude that he used it if her above words are true? Her actions and words in the diary room now contradict what she's saying now.

Why is she doing this???

Jimmer

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I’ve always found Lisa to be a rather pathetic figure. Her unworldlyness, childlike attitudes, her gullibility and her other issues are really sad. It still mystifies me as well, how true Christians (or people of any faith) can also believe in psychics, the occult and superstition? I also find the concept of pre-destination really troubling as it implies that people have no control over their lives and are not at all responsible for what happens. Talk about depressing.

With respect to psychic predictions, how it usually seems to work is that the psychic or cards or whatever’s prediction is usually vague enough that it can subsequently be fitted to future events. I’m sure that if a psychic were to have set any of us down and said “there are three snakes in your lives …. Blah blah blah” we could think to ourselves of some acquaintances that would fit the bill. Heck, we could probably pick a few out on the board here that might fit the description. And we’re not even playing a relationship game with 12 people.

I really hope that Lisa is going to be all right.

Curlyq

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly, Wendo. This is more revisionist history. How did Gerry threaten her about the veto? I thought they had a normal conversation. I don't remember any threats on his part. In fact she was the one who told everybody that if Gerry saved Marcellas he'd be screwed.

This is how Lisa has played all along. Danielle may like to think she's innocent as a dove and sly as a snake, but Lisa's the one using that strategy. Sweet, innocent Lisa. One of the "good people". Forced to join the alliance. Forced to nominate Josh's choice. Fought to put Gerry up (hello, WHO was the HOH at the time?) but didn't succeed. Wanted to keep Marcellas even though Gerry was persona non grata for making it happen. Wanted to vote to keep Roddy and Chiara, even though she voted to keep Eric from returning so she could get rid of these two. Wanted Amy to know how beautiful she is, while telling others that Amy was a sad, jealous exhibitionist.

Okay, sorry about the frustrated rant. Danielle did crummy things, but at least she admits it. I wonder if Lisa's going to tell the jury that half of them pressured her into doing things she didn't want to do.

Jimmer

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, unbelievably I'm starting to think there may be a faint possibility that Lisa could still lose this. For example, if she hauls out the pre-destination, tarot card stuff in front of Roddy, she may well lose his vote. If Danielle comes across as sincere about her evil ways and Lisa tries to say that she was this all knowing wonderful person who was forced to do supposedly evil things, the jury may not buy it.

Betty

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh my, I hadn't planned on checking in today thinking nothing could be happening. Only 3 snakes? Why didn't the cards tell her there were 11 snakes trying to take her money away from her? Wasn't L, R, and C hand picked by Arnie at the last minute, or was it much longer ago than that, hmmm? If so, how did she manage to get her affairs in order and pack for the house, and still manage to squeeze in a visit to a psychic? Bye, off to read the LFs on this, lol.

Lurknomore

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jimmer...just because you have never experienced a credible psychic prediction doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Whether Lisa did or not I can't tell you. But I can tell you that it is possible to know some things that MAY come to pass.

This gets to another point you make. We all are given the gift of free will, which means we can all change our lives. We may also not do that. Often a legit psychic will see what is accurate at that time, but it is not "destined" to happen as our choices and actions may change that path. No this isn't a cop out for psychis being wrong (and many are full of bunk IMHO). But the real deal does exist.

Gonna edit in a point here...this is why psychics usually do better and are more accurate with predictions in the short term and what is currently going on in someone's life than they are long term. Less time for free will to come into play.

As for our lives being predestined, I do not think all our courses are mapped out. But I do believe that certain people are meant to be in our lives and are here for a bigger plan than just our bumping into each other.

Know something funny? I personally can't imagine how people of any faith, or those without, can't believe this. It mystifies me :)

Laffy

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lurk, i agree with you. it seems that many people who believe there is a God also believe that he only chooses to operate one way.

the God I believe in can use psychics, if he chooses to, in order to get His message to us. I'm not saying He does, just that God can do anything he wants. rules are for people, not God.

i've always said that religions try to make God into the "image and likeness of man" instead of the other way around. i guess because otherwise we would have to admit that we can't ever possibly understand the entire concept of a God. our human brains simply aren't capable.

i believe in everything, until it's proven untrue.

Pesto

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If you didn't see the feeds (like me) and read this thread, you would be very confused (like me) as to what the heck everyone is talking about.

Three snakes, huh?
Is there a 3 snakes taro card?
Do snakes like ribs, plums, or pralines?

Whoa...

Lurknomore

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Laffy what an interesting post. I've long said that I think our brains can't even hold how much is out there, and we are only given this little glimpse because we are here to focus on this journey.

Sounds like we could have an interesting conversation :)

I'm actually not a huge fan of using psychics...mediumship is more my thing. But I do think sometimes when we need direction and guidance, God will find a way to reach us no matter what it is. And if it's a psychic than so be it.

I think there is sooooo much more out there than we have any clue about....

Tobor7

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisa is pulling a "Roddy" on Dani. Feeding her the biggest pile of *&^%&*$# and seeing if she will call her on it.

Lurknomore

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pesto, if you read this thread from the beginning you should have a pretty good idea. Hit the LF posts if you want more. I have the LF's but I missed this (as I have said often in my best whining voice...I miss everything good). By reading those 2 places I understood as much as Lisa was saying.

Oh for an invite to that cast party. We'll never know ACKKKKKKKK!

Lurknomore

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tobor...NO WAY. If you saw when Roddy attacked John Edward and Mediumship Lisa was the only one who stood up to him and said that he was wrong and she believed in more. When he went inside she said she read Tarot cards and had many experiences that led her to believe in all the things Roddy said was crap (pp). So this is clearly something she does believe in.

Pesto

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk... my bag, I only went back one archive folder, not all the way to the beginning of the thread. I thought I was losing my mind there for a sec!

Wasn't it BB2 when they did the Ouija (sp?) board and Will scared Nicole? That was good stuff. I guess none of Lisa's superstitions will make it onto Wednesday's show, ehh? I'd like to see it.

Pesto

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ahhh, my bad... :)

Who is John Edward?

Oregonfire

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do find it interesting that the HGs who seemed to play more intuitively lasted longer in the game this year. I think that when Marcellas nominated Roddy, Marcellas said that he didn't trust Roddy; Roddy in the DR said that this was based on emotion, so essentially an unworthy reason. Danielle also evicted Marcellas based on emotion, because she didn't trust him. Lisa said that something didn't "feel" right after the Amy eviction with Dani and Jason. And Jason, although he was quiet about his beliefs, was also a faith-oriented person.

Just an observation. The same did not hold true last year with Dr. Will, and maybe won't next year. But I think this final three did well because they played the game from the gut.

Lurknomore

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
John Edward is a very good Medium (person who talk to the dead), who has a very successful TV show on now, both on the Sci Fi network and in local syndication. FYI he will also be a guest on the Caroline Rhea show tonight (conveniently on in the Boston area after midnight lol).

And since it is only a one hour finale on Wednesday (didn't folks here say it was 2 hours?? I'm bummed) I am thinking not much is gonna make it. Of course my good pal Arnie is the King of quick soundbites. Hope they leave some time to reunite the HG's. I want to see that.

Bcandscott

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't buy into John Edwards, but that Sonya, The Pet Psychic is WAY COOL.

Lurknomore

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bcand...I've been to two of his lectures. While I will never say 100% someone is legit if they have not personally read me, I will say his readings were specific and, you should pardon the pun, dead accurate. I feel confident he is the real deal.

And I'm very fussy about good mediums. A lot of the other well known ones are, in my opinion, marginal at best. But I'd rate John a 2 thumbs up.

Meggieprice

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bcand- I love Sonya! I wanted to mention her in the thread about Amy hurting the lizards as someone mentioned they do not think or know things but Sonya would say differently.Did not want to getbattacked for what I think. (tired of that) How I would love to have her pay a visit to my 5 cats!

Phillymom

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not buying what Lisa's saying. That doesn't mean I don't believe in the possibility of psychics, or of God giving a message through another source, or anything like that. All I'm saying is that I don't believe Lisa's claims, because she keeps changing them and contradicting herself! It's not a put-down of the supernatural or of mediums or anything like that. I also watch Crossing Over and am fascinated by John Edwards.

Twiggyish

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jimmer, not getting into a Christianity debate, but we all hold different beliefs. Whether or not a person is a good Christian, is up to God. (If you believe in HIM, in which case, a Christian would)
Personally, I think there are many unexplained things in the world.

Betty

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 05:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pesto, what, you don't remember Sue Hawk? Snakes eat rats. Snakes like rat ribs! ;)

Jaysgal

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, I'm starting to get all suspicious with Lisa's promise to tell Danielle some secret or something. Could it be that some of those exchanges that Lisa and Roddy had with coding was some deal going on? Could it be that Roddy was giving it to Lisa to complete the task, the whole game since he could not be saved? And the fact that Roddy was so passive and made no effort to persuade Jason makes me very suspicious. Roddy may have actually handed it over to Lisa. Perhaps his claim to letting Lisa win the chess game was metaphoric? Maybe he meant that he was handling the BB game over to Lisa? Could this all have been acting?

If one recollects, her perception of Roddy in response to the internet viewers' question was very positive and contrary to what we would expect after some of her mean comments about his attempt to mesmerise her. She said he as intelligent, beautiful and a few positive but people didn't understand him (to paraphrase). Could Lisa have struck a deal with Roddy?

But why would she want to tell Danielle such a secret?

Here's the dialogue that made me wonder:
"Dani: Marcellas would tell me all the time- Roddy could win the whole thing..I started looking and (unintelligible) I had to take him out. I wanna know if Roddy let you win that game of chess.Why would he?
Lisa: Ill tell you at the cast party
D: does that have anything to do with that other thing you want to tell me?
L: well they are all linked
D: as soon as we go off the air- its me and you in the corner
L: do I have your word its between us?
D: can I tell my husband?
L: yes-I mean everyone else
D: oh you mean people in the house
L:Im talking about keeping your mouth shut to the media- I have some good stuff Danielle.
D: ooh this is going to be good!

L:We talked about him taking the low road with me on the live show- I thought he was going to call me out - but he didnt- just like he spared you with the pb&J
I could have gotte him back just as good but still...
D: wow
L: all is fair in love and war- evil laugh
D: enquiring minds want to know- I dont think mines going to be as good as yours
L: whats yours?- the outcome of the game? - thats no good its a 50/50 guess
FOTH
D: it will all go back to my moment s on the balcony at home- what I knew. It will all make sense.If not Im stupid- but we will see.
L: I cant possibly shuffle these cards anymore- I dont even feel worthy to sleepp here with this picture up- am I being stupid?
D: he is such a good man- she tells Lisa to just go up and tell him she is sorry
L: I didnt want to feel the hurt of being seperated again
- she says he made her cry today
Dani says she doesnt see him being vindictive.
and says Lisa should just explain she didnt count the votes right and didnt realize she could have given him hers.

L: that made for some good ratings today boy- Eric saying I screwed him and I saying yeah- I screwed ya...
FOTH"

Cricket

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And what's up with this in that same conversation:

"Lisa says we are tapping their phones.

Dani- DAMN!"

Whose phones is she talking about and who is WE?