Have they ever discussed why they kept Lisa vs. Amy?
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Dagny

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Other then the fact they said Amy would be a tough person to beat in the final HOH? That excuse seems to be the "standard" excuse when the evict people. (A big threat)

Wcv63

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy was awfully good a winning competitions and seemed to be right in the middle of a lucky streak. I think they truly thought they had a better chance at the last HOH against Lisa. Plus there was the little matter of a "word" given to take Lisa to the final 3.

Groucho

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The funny thing is that Lisa totally rocked in the final HoH competition. I think they both would have had a better chance against Amy. They misjudged Lisa, and it cost them. (Or it cost Jason, anyway -- and ultimately, it was his choice to keep Lisa instead of Amy.)

Sia

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe Jason booted Amy because she was the hamster who returned and the other HGs would have not wanted Amy to have a chance at the top prizes--not that they wouldn't have supported Eric going to the end if HE had been the one the HGs had voted back in. It's such a twisted, unpredictable game with too many variables to make it easy to lay out in a straight line from the first episode to the conclusion. It's a FUN game to watch, but I don't think I'd want the scrutiny or the pressure!

Phillymom

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think, in the end, they kept Lisa because of a combination of 2 factors: they thought Amy was a stronger competitor than Lisa, and they liked Lisa better than Amy.

I think where Jason and Dani made their big mistake was letting Dani throw the second part of the competition. Jason watched BB2, he's talked about it many times. Except for the first part of the competition, the second 2 parts were exactly the same this year as last year. Jason should have figured out what was coming. Dani would have done much better in the final round than Jason did. She's much better at reading people.

Dagny

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Phillymom...Dani didn't want that final HOH..cause then she would have had to decide between Lisa and Jason...and she had deals with both.

Maryann

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't understand why they didn't keep Amy. She wasn't really playing the game at all,she was just having fun.
Lisa is a good example as to why we should beware of sweet quiet folks!

Maris

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 05:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jasons big mistake was letting Dani throw the competition. I am sure that Dani had it all planned out. She knew she didnt have a chance against Jason for the $500,000. With Amy she and Jason were both spooked by her luck.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 05:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
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Sunlit

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's simple. Dani knew she could get Lisa to take her to the finals, but Amy might have chosen Jason. The decision was made on the basis of who would secure a "win" for Dani. Dani then claimed Amy was the stronger game player. In reality, Amy was the biggest threat to Dani's making the final two. JMO

Keiffer

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great point Sunlit, and I think that is right on. Amy was unclear if she happened to pull a Lisa and win the HoH Danny didn't KNOW that she would take her to the finals, butt she had a btter feeling of what Lisa would do.

The other thing is Lisa did not win ONE thing since she was given HOH the first week. She even admitted she tried at all the HoH this year, and she never really came that close.

The one thing that would have given me pause is that Lisa won the last America's choice... and knowing if it comes down to atie maybe Lisa has the edge in the American vote.

Csnog

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
After Eric was evicted by Gerry Dannie took Lisa under her protection and PROMISED her (Lisa) that she would be in the final 3.

They had a deal that they would play for themselves after reaching the final 3.

Bailey

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I truly believe if they would've kept Amy instead, the final results would still be the same. Amy would've never let go of that key in the first round.. and she would've beat Jason in the third as well. Amy would've definitely taken Dani to the final two with her, she made that clear before she left the house she wanted Dani to win.
The only difference here is that Dani would've had a better chance at the 500g's if she ended up in the finals against Amy, rather than Lisa.

Groucho

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Dani knew she could get Lisa to take her to the finals, but Amy might have chosen Jason."

That's a good reason for Dani to keep Lisa around. But it was Jason's decision, not hers.

"The other thing is Lisa did not win ONE thing since she was given HOH the first week."

She won power of veto the week Josh got evicted. I don't remember what the contest was, but I remember the veto meeting where she said "My heart doesn't hear your words" or something to that effect to Josh.

On the other hand, what did Amy win? They gave her HoH the week she came back (and Lisa was one of the last ones to get out of the tub, too). She won PoV and the cruise on challenges that were uniquely well-suited for her -- basically, they both depended on balance. She won the 10K simply because she had the low number -- complete luck. But when it came to quizzes involving the other HGs, she didn't do particularly well (at least not any better than Lisa). She also was at a disadvantage in these types of questions because she was gone for two weeks, and because she's not exactly the most observant person ever.

The HGs (specifically Jason) should have known that the final HoH would probably involve some sort of endurance challenge and some sort of quiz about evicted HGs. I think they should have viewed Lisa as a serious threat on both of these -- more serious than Amy, in my opinion. They should have realized that Lisa was really determined to win, while Amy was just there for a good time.

"Dannie took Lisa under her protection and PROMISED her (Lisa) that she would be in the final 3."

Well, Lisa made an alliance with Marc shortly before he left. She had no problem going against J and D once it got down to four. She just didn't end up getting a chance, because Marc was evicted and D won HoH. So why did J and D feel more loyalty to her than she felt to them?

"If it comes down to a tie maybe Lisa has the edge in the American vote."

"Dani would've had a better chance at the 500g's if she ended up in the finals against Amy."

More good reasons to keep Amy and boot Lisa.

The more I think about it, the more I think Jason blew the game by keeping Lisa instead of Amy. Jason played a great game, but I think this was the critical mistake that sent him home with no money.

Catfat

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would really like to see a competition with Jeopardy-type questions concerning general knowledge. Or perhaps logic and problem solving. These gossipy, meaningless quizzes about which HG said what are boring beyond belief.

Ptomaine

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
CSNog is correct. The decision to keep Lisa was Dani's and not Jason. Dani had given her word to Lisa that it will be her, Lisa, and Jason as the F3. Lisa never did give her word back to Dani.

Before nomination, Dani got Jason to give his word that he won't evict Lisa. Jason agreed and the rest is history.

Jason and Dani talked about HoHp2, Jason stated that if Dani feels that she is better at HoHp3 then she should go for it and break her word to Lisa. Jason stated that he would be more comfortable controlling his own fate, and would rather Dani did not break her word. Dani didn't give much of a fight once Jason said this, and said to Jason something along the line of "OK Jason, so be it."

Dani did not outright throw HoHp2, the way Jason told her to do. Jason could have still lost HOHp2. But fortunately/unfortunately for Jason he won.