Dani and Lisa Talk : Part 2 (The Kiss)
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Ptomaine

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 07:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LISA ON KISSING JASON
D: ... Good man (Jason). A man that's willing to cry, a man that's willing to hurt, a man that's willing to love. Can't get better than that. Just by his message, and just by his feelings. You don't have too many men like that. You have a man that deals with pride a lot, but a man that goes with his heart, their love and their compassion... can't find too many like that.

If I were you, I were single, I will cling on to that... as a friend, and eventually friends before we were lovers. I will like to see the way it will play out.

Just wait.

L: We're friends you know (said with great affection).

D: I know... I know. (pauses) But I see... I see things, you know. I see the way he looks, the way he acts. Although this one here, the Southern Belle (Amy), may say what she wants to say... but when he looks at you there is a different look. Can't deny it. Can't deny it.

And then you, as a woman, has to take a beat and say who will respect me more than anybody else in this house? Then you know it's that one (Jason). You know it's that one. Although you watched the tapes and say #1 (Roddy) is hot (Lisa makes a sound) Right? (Lisa makes a sound) Hot. #2 (Jason), but #3 (Eric) is very good looking, very sincere, and very kind... great family values, can't beat that.

You do what you want to do in this game, but what you hold more precious than anything, hold on to it. Because I have a feeling that it's something worth the wait, sweetie. Worth the wait. We'll see. We'll see.

I haven't had this talk with... (Lisa: Really?). No I haven't had this talk with him (Jason).

L: Will you?

D: I eventually will, and say that's one (Lisa) that you don't let get away. See what he does.

There's compassion there.

L: But you don't think there's a difference in lifestyle there (D: Of course there are)... a difference in age?

D: What? One year difference?

L: Maturity-wise?

D: See. The thing is this: I sit there and watch you two (Jason and Lisa), one is the teacher and one is the student. And one is an eager student, willing to learn a lot.

L: But one doesn't want to be the teacher.

D: Ah... but one will have fun being the teacher.

L: But only with one subject (sex) ... It's not a well rounded teacher.

D: Let's just say this. When you completely love someone so deeply and loving... you see what I'm saying? When you want to give your body to them so much and everything and they love you...

L: It's not worthy! (Lisa means she is not worthy)

D: Wait, wait, wait. You think it's not. But when you do, when you know they love you back and they look in your eyes and they look at you as if you're the most beautiful woman in the world... that's amazing! You can say what you want about experience... whatever... but that's the most purest and strongest orgasm you have in your life, when you know that man looks at you and he loves you more than anything. That's all I got to say. That's all I got to say. We'll see. We'll see.

(couldn't understand) from now, I wouldn't be surprise.

I asked the question: Do you think you're moving to Southern California? He answered correctly. I asked the other one, would you mind living with someone... (couldn't understand) trying to move somewhere? She answered correctly. Would you move it with another woman? He answered correctly. We'll see if the two can find their way to one another. Because I look at the female as a woman of compassion and love, that means has needs. But I look at the male as the same thing as is willing to give it, once a woman is there to receive it. So we'll see, sweetie, we'll see. We'll see.

Because I know any woman in this world that gets that... that love and that compassion...

L: ... is a lucky woman.

D: a lucky woman. And I look at a woman, not too many in this world that deserves it more than you sweetie. So we'll see. We'll s...

L: Thank you, Danielle.

D: Hah?

L: Thank you.

D: You're welcome, sweetie.

L: I love you.

D: I love you too, sweetie.

L: Will you be... (D: hah?) Will you be my maid of honor no matter what?

D: Absolutely! No matter what.

L: OK

D: Don't go with the devil (Roddy). Devil may be tempting, devil... (L: naaaahh). Devil is frightened, very frightened of certain things. Devil comes from good home. Devil da da da, Devil this. But you will always have a big question mark with the Devil.

L: Yup.

D: Compare to this angel (Jason), you never will have a question mark, 'cause you know when he loves you he loves you completely. He loves you entirely. There won't be a question mark. So why settle for something for sweet gratification, when you can wait for something that's going to be just wonderful? That's why I tell you to wait, and hold on.

And the devil... I mean the angel. The angel's good (in bed). The angel's going to be real good (Lisa is softly giggling). People'll think he's not, but I know a freak when I see one (Lisa ah hah hah). I know an undercover freak when I see one.

And the compassion that he has... of the tears of sincerity you can never replace that. You know when men talk with pride and you know if a man talks with heart. And I think you heard it when we had the Q&A session. The one that talked with pride (Eric) and the one that talked with heart (Jason).

L: Yup

[see Note 1 following this post regarding the Q&A]

FOTH

D: A lot of patience, but when you have that heart, you know you have it entirely, and you don't have to question it. Don't be deceived. Don't be deceived. OK?

L: OK

D: That's a good man (Jason). If I were single shoot! (L: ah hah hah). But that's a good man. A man that cries in all the breakups no matter how bad or how good they are, that's a man that goes with their heart. Who loves being in love, but yet appreciates a woman once they have one. And you my friend are to me the perfect woman: sexy, beautiful, kind-hearted, willing to have children, willing to dedicated their lives to children. I think that's what he (Jason) needs more than anything. 'Cause there's a lot of woman [sic] out there who can say what they want to say. But there's not too many woman [sic] that are willing to have children and to dedicate their life to children, which is a huge responsibility to a lot of woman [sic] these days. And the fact that you are willing and waiting to do such things, makes you a good woman.

L: Thank you.

D: So we'll see. I may have to play match maker (L: ah hah ha hah). But what I'm good at is throwing the question out there ...

L: But I have needs Danielle (D: hah?) I got needs.

D: I know you got needs. You just going to have to wait on those needs. (L: lets out a laughing breath). But remember, one (Jason) said won't be long once I find her (sex will not wait once Jason finds his match).

L: I know (she laughs silently)

D: 6 or 9 months, if at that. (L: still laughing silently) We ain't got time for no reception, we got to take care of business (L: laughing). You know what I'm saying? "I can be very persuasive" (Jason's words). Like ooo I'm scared with that one (Jason).

L: (takes a breath, still laughing) That was so funny.

D: Yeah. I think when you kiss someone and become one with someone and they truly, truly love you...

L: Can I be honest with you?

D: Yeah

L: That (the kiss she had with Jason) was absolutely amazing!

D: It's absolutely amazing (Dani is talking about having someone truly love you)

L: No you have no idea what I'm talking about (Lisa corrects Dani).

D: What?

L: What you just said (the kiss)... (D: I'm telling you girl) was absolutely amazing!

D: You'll see, I don't say much. But we'll see.

Did you see him (Jason) on the video? Did you not want to kiss that? Did you not want to be friend with that?

L: I did! I am!

D: The question of the hour is: when you look at a man like that and you go God I want to be his friend, that tells you, you want to be his lover, his mate, and the mother of his children at the same time. A woman can't say that, that they want to be friend with that (Jason), there's a problem there. He's a good man! Very good man.

L: That's a good way to look at things!

D: I think so. When a woman look at a man and they go I want to be his friend more than anything in this world, I want him to be my friend... and if you can't say that about a lot of men, then there's a problem there. Then why continue on a relationship? With that one (Jason), he's my friend, I trust him, I believe in him more than anything. Now I'm married, I got obligations already, and I love my husband dearly (L: but) ... but ... any woman that looks beyond that and doesn't want to be his friend, they're stupid, absolutely stupid!

What's funny is that a lot of woman [sic] knows this, and they play along with it, flirting, do whatever... but that's a good man right there.

L: Yeah

D: He believes in God, he believes in family values... yeah, he may wait until he's married...

L: He has a scary mother...

D: His mother is not scary at all, I saw those pictures of her... she's just a woman that wants to make sure that whatever happens to her son is the best thing... and you know what?

L: that already knows everything about me (saying that Jason's mom knows about her because of this experience)

D: So what? Because you know what? F-it! She ain't going to be in the bed with you and him. You know what I mean?

L: Yeah, but that's important to him.

D: I understand that, because between the 2 sons. He IS the favorite son. (L: uh huh). I'm not going to lie on that. I see it. He can say what he wants to say, but he tells me stories I know he's the favorite son. But um, when there's love like that, my God woman, don't ever let that slip away. I saw the way he looks at you.

The other one, the little Kiki, the little Southern Belle... that's all flirtations. (L: uh huh). But I saw the way he looks at you, and the discussion...

L: It is a different level! Right?

D: It is a totally different level! He is a man of needs. He's a man. He ain't stupid. But when he discussed things and when he looks at you with a look of respect, that's more than anything you can ever imagine.

L: I know, I voted him out of the house, like I voted out #3 (Eric). Hmm! 2 in a row!

D: You know what? (L: Hmm!) I'll just say... if it had been on the other shoes... (L: Same thing) He would have done the same thing.

L: That's what he said to me.

D: So he respects you for that. He cries and he weeps. Because he's a man of good heart. He's a good man. And I'll say this to you, you'd be dumb, stupid! To let that go away. (Lisa silent) Although you may concentrate on the other one (Eric), that's fine!

L: Which? (Eric or Roddy)

D: Go ahead and concentrate on the other one.

L: Which one?

D: Because you're (L: Which?) The one from Connecticut (Eric). Because, let me tell you, the one from Connecticut has a good heart. But the one from Connecticut can't give you what you need right now. I think you're ready to settle down (L: yeah), I don't think the one from Connecticut can give you that.

L: Why?

D: He can give you brief moment of gratification, but he can't give you the long moment of gratification that you need. And let me tell you, I know you're a woman and you got needs, but when a man truly, truly, loves you, you're willing to wait. And I know you will do so. Just hold on to that.

I see things. I hear things. (L: blah blah blah). And although they may be big V's (virgin) and everything, I know an undercover freak when I see one. And that, my friend, is an undercover freak. You can say what you want to say, but I see...

L: He's willing to learn! Remember that? (Lisa laughs)

D: He's willing to learn, and he can be very persuasive. I see, when a man looks at a thong like that... when he has to stand up and adjust his pants...

L: Really!? (Laughing with surprise)

D: Girl, you just don't know...

L: hah hah hah, I didn't see it!!

D: You didn't see it, but I saw it. See Amy always showed her thong.

L: Did she?

D: Oh Yeah, Amy showed her thong when she bent over, and he's "oh that's sexy", but see... there's a way... "sexy" then he goes on about his business. He's a man, he is a man! People tend to forget that, he is... more than anything, he is a man. But when she saw you over that table bending over, and he looked at you... there's something special in the air. When you get up in the morning and a man looks and you and say you're beautiful, there's something in the air. Man don't say that to anybody. (pauses) Man don't say that to anybody.

And the look in his eyes is unbelievable! You don't see it, but I see it! Take it as you want. But I see it. I don't talk the way I talk for game reason, I talk because I hope that 2 people who I love so dearly, that are so kind, I would hope something will happen between them 2. But we'll see. We'll see.

Don't be deceived. You'll know tomorrow. You'd be sitting there talking to that one (Eric), and there's something missing in it.

L: oh obviously.

D: and then your eyes will wander and look at the other one, and say I want to go talk to him. You'll see it tomorrow.

L: OK

D: You'll see it. Remember that.

L: Well, I'm going to make an effort. I plan to make that effort in that regardless, because who knows what that other one (Eric) is thinking or truly wants.

D: It doesn't matter... he can be the guy I want to spend my life ... blah blah blah... woo woo woo woo .... I'm telling you, no matter what he tries or what he does, you see something there and you know it's short term, and you know that it was short term from the beginning. And you can't tell me that it wasn't.

It was short term.

You look at the other one (Jason), 'cause you know that it's long term and is guaranteed to have it's heart.

I'm going to say that to you, and I'm going to say it like it is. Don't be deceived.

And I know you'll be willing to wait. You may need toys, but you'll be willing to wait. And that one my friend was [sic] an undercover freak. (Both women laugh). I know one when I see one. Tell me "I can be persuasive" (Jason's words) ... ooo...

L: That kind of scared me! Like... whoa!

D: Because don't you think, just because he waited so long that he's just like ... because remember... we said: would you like a woman that's experienced? He goes well, you know, I still like to be in control. That one is an undercover freak. (Lisa silently laughs). 'Cause men (will be) like: I'll hold on and go for the ride. But he still like to do things. He still like to do things to please a woman, you know what I'm saying? That's an undercover freak.

Lisa, I will say this. Take a beat, wait for the plane, whatever, but that's a good man.

And you know what? If you don't realize it, the Southern Belle (Amy) realizes it more than anything.

L: You think? (in great disbelief)

D: I know!

L: Oh my gosh no! I think she's so, right now, still, in her life, so attracted to the bad boys. That she would want to be attracted to that (Jason's type), but she'd get bored.

D: She'd be bored tremendously. He's (Jason) such a good man. God, he's such a good man, and you're such a good woman. And although at the game, and what we've played and the situation you had in this house, there was another person (Eric) involved, and I love that person, and I think he's a good man too... but I don't foresee it adapting to anything else.

But the other one (Jason), I see things, because although he rubbed the feet of other woman (Chiara), and does things, he did not look at that woman as he looked at you. And I see it more than anything, more than anything.

And the kissing! (L: umm) How was the kiss? (L: umm) Huh? Hello? Do-huh-wah-now? (L: um hmm). Was just a peck. Right there the fireworks went off with just a peck. I can't even look at it, I was like ... uhh...ahhh... (L: ha ha hah)

Ptomaine

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 08:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
NOTE 1:
What Dani observed is that Eric's question was more about himself than about making sure that Lisa is OK (pride). Whereas, Jason used this forum to assure Lisa that everything is OK between him and Lisa (compassion).

Eric's Question to Lisa:
E: How are you doing Lisa?
L: Good, thank you.
E: About 4 (or) 5 weeks ago, I believe... ah ... I had the opportunity to get back into the house. Did you Think (slight emphasis here) that might sway my vote if you had made it to the finals? And how were you affected by having made that decision?

Jason's Question to Lisa:
J: And Lisa... I want to say the same to you (I love you). I know you made a tough decision (Jason is emotional), but ah... had I won that game, the other night... ah... I would've made a tough choice as well and I don't fault you for it, I want you to know that. (L: OK) And I congratulate you, I love you guys both.

Marzz

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks so much for posting that. It was fun to read. You really captured it! Shows how much is missed by only watching the TV shows. So what will become of the Lisa, Jason and Eric relationships?

Ptomaine

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 09:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Stay tune for some video clips.

Espen

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Again, thanks for posting this! It is great to see it captured with all its nuances, as most "versions" I have seen missed a lot of especially Lisa's silent (yet IMHO telling) interjections.. Now, admittedly, she DID think at the time that Eric was mad at her, but I just do NOT see him caring for her in the way that she deserves.. Like during their "date", when he just kept focusing on trivial things, while Lisa was trying to be romantic.. Yet the "chemistry" between her and Jason when they were just "joking" actually DID come across as romantic, albeit in the innocent, "gosh could this lead to something?" way.. Heck, reading this again makes me realize how this almost sounds like the beginning of book or movie.. A little like the "When Harry met Sally" twist.. Imagine the movie...(to be continued? I somehow feel inspired)

Ptomaine

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 10:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Espen,

I'm glad you are enjoying this, I hope it helps with the withdrawal. I would agree with you that this final conversation provide a more optimistic ending, than the ending that actually made the final episode (shots of the empty house).

I am assembling some clips, so watch for them in the coming days/week.