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Bladewelder

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She knows she was lying to their faces being all nice and yet stabbing them in the back and making fun of them in the DR. She fretted herself silly after the Question/Answer period the other day, and was afraid to face them at the front door last night, and yet.......she still maintains that she would do it all over again the same way and not change a thing. So in other words she would still want to come in second and not win the $500G's??? Surely there's got to be something that she could change to affect the outcome! I think if she'd toned down her DR entries a bit and hadn't been so blatantly malicious that she would have won. Anyone else agree/disagree??

Guinevere

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree. I think that Danielle is unfortunately too controlling and arrogant to learn from her mistakes (or admit she made mistakes).

I guess she assumes that doing ANYTHING differently might have resulted in her not making the final two. But that's just not true of all of her bashing - it didn't help her in the game at all.

Sybilbb3oracle

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Dani had shown as much grace in Victory as she did in gamesmanship, she would have easily won the contest. Her aberrant vindictiveness turned the ehg into bitter enemies. Dani realized the last 3 or 4 weeks that she had screwed up calling people devils and bad-mouthing them so vociferously. She quit that and If she ever plays a similar game in the future (near impossible), she will limit what she says to prevent it coming back to defeat her

Battlestar

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
--at her CBS chat today it is obvious that she still doesn not understand what lost the game for her.

--she says something about if they voted logically and not emaotionally. Of course people are going to vote emotionally---that's why your check has less zeros then Lisa's!!!

Crazydog

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She said she wouldn't change a thing just to save face. Of course she should have changed a thing, she should have kept her mouth shut. Danielle is not that stupid to not recognize it. She is just too arrogant to admit she was wrong and made a mistake.

Oregonfire

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought that Dani meant she would play the same game to get into second place. Her true goal was to get into the final two. I'm sure that she will review her name calling on her own time. Didn't she say she'd talk to each HG separately and apologize? I don't hold it against Dani for not immediately beating herself up for our viewing pleasure.

And I, for one, don't want to see toned down DRs. They are one of the most entertaining parts of the show for me. If they are going to be fake and sugarcoated, why not just have the HGs just sit and watch as they are taped? I liked Will's and Dani's, didn't like Roddy's obviously image-conscious ones. Well, guess I wasn't on the jury.

Denecee

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dani believes she would have never made it to the final two if she hadn't played the way she did. I also don't think her DRs were any worse than some of the EHG.
I am happy for Lisa because I think she is a nice person but she didn't have to play as hard as Dani.

Battlestar

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Her DRs did not lose the game for her.

Sbw

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is something I don't understand. If Dani thinks she lost first place because of her DR entries(and I am not saying she did or didn't), how would changing her DR entries have gotten her voted out any faster, how would it have prevented her from getting to the final two? The HGs don't know about the DRs, so what she said in there didn't make a bit of difference to them. The DR entries only make a difference to the "end game".

Edited to add: Oooops Battlestar, I was trying to figure out how to word my post and you had already posted and moved on by the time my brain and fingers got together. I just added one thing to yours - her DRs didn't get her to the final two.

Edited again to add: Of course by this time in the "game" I probably would have forgotten my name. She hasn't had time yet to mentally sort it all out.

Bbfanatic

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
she just proved to me she is the same person on the outside of the house that she was on the inside. so sad, i hoped she would prove me wrong.

Loriwillwin

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Responding to Sybil:

>>> If she (Dani) ever plays a similar game in the future (near impossible) <<<

Hi, Sybil! "Near impossible," you say? I play this "game" every day, as do you and every other viewer watching this show and every other poster posting on this board. It's called work, it's called marriage, it's called LIFE!

That's why we all relate to "Big Brother" so much. And in each of these "games," there are big money prizes waiting for those who keep their mouths shut and for those of us who aren't so adepting at playing the "game," well, there's the door!

Danielle will HAVE to learn from this life lesson (and I think we all should take something away from it too), or else she's going to ultimately lose a lot more than a tidy sum of money.

Postscript: last night, I was amazed/amused (?) to see so many people crying "foul," "unfair" regarding the jury verdict. It was what it was. The funny thing about this game, "Big Brother," is that when you think about it, there are no rules. And how to play the game is... Whatever works. Just like...

Life, right?

[Just my two cents.]

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She learned she should have held on to the key.

Loppes

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Its too early to tell. I don't think based on what I've read so far, that Danielle has learned the lesson yet. She has said a bunch of times now that her DR sessions were the "real me".
If that is true, then she needs to really look at the real her. The answer to her walking out last night $450,000 less is in there.
Lon

Maisie52

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really wish someone would have said to Danielle that they respect the way she played the game, sneaky and behind peoples back BUT it was the mean comments she made that did her in. She could have done everything the same with the exception of the personal attacks and she would have had this game. And what was she teaching her daughters? In a way I think it is better that Lisa won by playing nice because maybe her daughters learned a valuable lesson from that. Danielle should be asshamed of herself.

Efilon

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
First of all, I really liked Danielle when the show started. It took awhile for her mean side to show. Once it did, it never left and it was hard to see the good anymore. Not that she wasn't kind at times.
I don't think it was the DR sessions as much as it was the general trashing of other contestants that cost her the win. Once a hg left she didn't stop talking badly about them. They could watch the live feeds by then, or read everything from live feed transcripts. She realized this the last 2 weeks or so and tried to clean it up but it was way too little too late, all her previous nastiness was already out there for all to see.
I know others trashed..Marc as bad as Dani but he wasn't up there for the final..if he had been he wouldn't have gotten the big $$ either.
This game has two parts, in the house and playing to the evicted houseguests.
I think the fact that the other hgs were, on the whole, respectful of her in the house and all really liked her was what made them think so poorly of her once they got out and saw what she really thought of them. Not much hurts worse than thinking someone cares about you only to find out that they actually don't give a cr_p about you and are making other people think you are a horrible person.
So, to make a long thought short, she didn't play the game as well as she thought. She was just playing to get to the final two and not thinking about the final vote. I have no doubt that if she hadn't been as nasty as she was about people she would have gotten the $$. The difference between she and Will was that he came right out and said he would lie. Dani put up a front that she was too nice to lie and treat people badly.

JMO

Maris

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Excellent Efilon and right on the money.

Loppes

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Efilon,
Good post. There was something Danielle said a few times, which no one seems to have mentioned.
The past few days, and in her interview she said, in the first week or two No one came to her to ask her to form an alliance. Except Jason and her. I'm thinking because Danielle said this a few times, that is the deep seated key to her becoming so nasty. I think inside her head, she was very very hurt, that people were making alliances, and no one included her.

Subconsciously, her hurt at that seems to have turned to nasty anger toward the others. It just escalated from there. It could be because of her color, or even some low self esteem. Many people mask their low self esteem, under the auspices of being controlling, and cold hearted. Unfortunately, it worked against her in the end for top prize. It almost seems her way of striking out at the houseguests, was to be nasty behind their back for not asking her to join an alliance in the beginning.

I thought back and I remember, I really liked her at the beginning. I wish she had just given it a bit of a chance, maybe she would have avoided the backlash that now happened to her.

These are just my thoughts about her, I could be way off base.

Lon

Wendo

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Guys (and gals), she hasn't even been out of the house 24 hours yet. She hasn't had the opportunity to put the game, and HER game playing, into perspective yet. Nor has she been able to get all the information as to why she won second place instead of first. The EHG have had more time to evaluate their own game play, she's had, what, less than a day?

I'll wait until some further interviews before drawing conclusions.

I ding the other HG's more at this point because they HAVE had the benefit of time to mull the game. Marcellas, who still believes he's kind and "has a heart." (Yeah, as well as the personality of a child for your behavior toward Jason.) Roddy, who STILL insists he never lied ONCE in the game. (If he would just ADMIT it, I'd have a great deal more respect for him.) Tonya, who took "offense" at what was said about her. (You weren't so kind to Amy now were ya T?)

At this point, I think when she states about how she played the game, she means what moves and actions she took to get to the final two. From that perspective, yes, I agree, why change a thing. However, she did say in her chat (read transcript here), that she realizes that she should've paid more attention to her diary room entries. Isn't that saying more or less, yep, I f*cked up there? Sounds like it to me. She also acknowledges that the EHG were hurt. And she's sorry about that.

It takes time to fully evaluate something, especially something that went on for almost three months. I say, let's see what she has to say in a few days.

Mom

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Moppes I think you're exactly right about that. I think she was always hurt that no one consulted her, or asked her to join an alliance. I think that stayed with her. She said at some point "I knew I had power when Amy (or someone) said, "go talk to Danielle". I think once she felt she had some power, things started getting nastier and nastier.

Itsallgood

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Efilon, I agree totally with your opinion because I too liked Danielle at first. So yes, she let her mouth take away 450,000. Hopefully soon she will see why they didn't give it to her. One can only hope.

JMO

Whit4you

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I totally agree Wendo - give her time guys - she still doesn't know why she lost - and I have no doubts she will find out. It's a 450,000 lesson and I don't think that'll be taken lightly.

I made a mistake - cost me $37,000 bucks and alot more... and you can trust me it's not something you'd ever forget or ever repeat.. and 450,000 is alot more then that lol.

She just got out of the house last night and i highly DOUBT she spent the night talking about her loss.. I'm sure she had alot to catch up with - with her kids and hubby etc...

I was never a pro dani person - and of course ya'all have a right to speak any opinion you have here - but to me anything to negative about Dani now is just rubbing salt in a wound - she not only lost 450,000 but lost it by 9-1. To me this is alot of punishment for her 'crimes'. Marc was way worse then her and he doesn't have to FEEL that he lost 450,000's nor does he have to feel he would have not only lost but been publically humiliated by a 9-1 vote - he can always think he might have won as I think he does... or at least had a 4-6 vote or something.

I've made alot of mistakes in my life and I'm far from perfect.. I'm just glad I only have to deal with having lost 37 g's (and more) and not 450 g's (and more) - I can just say for those anti-Dani still... trust me she paid more for her faults then most of us will ever have to.

Mellbell416

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 05:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Of course Danielle has learned from the outcome - I don't know why you guys think that she hasn't! She spent the last week in complete apprehension of the jury day because she knew that she would get no-one's vote except Jason. She's perfectly aware that her backstabbing (although perhaps not the DR entries) completely lost her the game. She even entreatied the ex HGs with "I really am a good person outside of this house" and she looked absolutely defeated all the way through the season finale.

All of her sins aside, I felt really sorry for her. I think that her meltdown started when she heard Roddy's "soulless" comment about her. She's already said that she is going to seek forgiveness individually from each HG. She's not a stupid woman, and once she sees the tapes and realizes that the other HGs did not trash her they way that she trashed them, the full realization will hit home.

I think that she's got a tough few months to go through yet - I wouldn't want to be in her shoes.

Adrian

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 05:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Danielle may have won the battle but lost the war.

In my opinion, overall, IMHO, it was a bitter sweet + $50K BB3 experience for her. When she, Jason and Lisa made it to the Final 3, I already consider Danielle as one of the best reality strategists (sans her DR entry) ever to play this game. No matter what her final position is, she already accomplished what she had promised to the persons she most TRUSTED in the house (J & L).

In my opinion, she is clearly & sincerely very happy to see Lisa winning it all. Of course, she wanted the $500K very badly but the 2nd place & $50K is enough for her once she learned "what really happened before the voting & why the HGs were force to vote the way they did". She clearly outsmarted & outwitted the very same people who condoned her actions (when they came out) while they were inside the house. They are making it appear that there is a morality issue in this game (Huh? Yuck!). Amy & Gerry thought Danielle is really a true friend to them. When they came out of the house, they could'nt believe that she did those nasty things (DR & everything) behind their back. MY GOODNESS! They know that Danielle ha been pretending friends to everyone and backstabbing all their supposed friend in front of them. Everyone says Gerry was'nt aware of all these but YOU HAVE TO WATCH THE TAPES AGAIN HOW DANIELLE IS BACKSTABBING RODDY, JOSH, CHIARA & CO. AND AT THE SAME TIME PRETENDING TO BE THEIR FRIENDS IN FRONT OF AMY & GERRY AND TO ALL SUPPOSED MORALISTS OF THE SHOW ESPECIALLY MARCELLAS! Give me a break! They are all fair game & Danielle's enemies for winning the top prize. She is only committed to the truth & giving her trust to her one & true ally, Jason. (She gave her trust next to Lisa). SHE AND JASON ARE THE REAL DEAL. Everyone has their own agenda and strategy how to win the game. They all backstabbed and lied to each other at some point in the game necessarily and unnecessarily. Danielle is the meanest and did the most nasty things because she has stayed the longest in the house. She was absolutely correct when she said that she will not reach the final 2, if she did not what she got to do and that is including backstabbing and ousting Marcellas. Marcellas, give me a break! YOU STRATEGIZED WITH LISA, HOW SHE AND YOU CAN OUST JASON AND DANIELLE!

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Danielle definitely go for broke (i.e, after finding early that her underhanded strategy is working in her & J favor) and imitated Will's strategy to the end. She impeccably played the smart villain woman of the show. But this was all for her undoing and downfall to at the end. <mod> She was up against one of the most likeable person in the house (unlike Nicole last year). She did not realize that her opponents will take her "meanness and evil strategizing" too seriously and will have lame excuses. HER BIGGEST MISTAKE IN THE GAME, IMHO, IS CONTINUING BACKSTABBING OF THE EVICTED HGs. But I guess, she was thinking, it does'nt matter. There's nothing to do and talk about in that house but themselves. It's her game from that start anyway.

Only time will tell, what was Roddy's role (how much campaigning/lobbying he did just to make sure Danielle will lose badly) prior to the evicted HGs day of voting AND when it became clear that Danielle has a shot of winning it all. A lot of HGs like Josh, Gerry, Chiara, Lori & even Tonya (who discovered in their quetion and answer that Lisa is a backstabbing liar too. She vehemently or innocently deny that she did something bad to her behind or back or after Tonya got out of house) definitely admire how Danielle played the game.

Anyway, Danielle is not really the best player after all since she did'nt take the top prize and for failling to get the votes & admiration of what is eventually most significant & deciding factor to the game. She underestimated the emotional power & irressitible charisma of Roddy and Marcellas outside this game. Actually, she knew that but did not take that into consideration of what they can do in the final days outside the house.

YOU COULD SEE IN JOSH, LORI, CHIARA and GERRY's EYES THAT THEY WANT "THE BEST PLAYER " DANIELLE TO WIN THE GAME BUT THEY CAN'T VOTE FOR BECAUSE OF PEER PRESSURE AND THE "MORALISTS" SAY THE NICEST PLAYER SHOULD WIN.

Josh and Chiara should wake up and accept the fact that Roddy just used them. They are clearly in love with him. :)

I guess same story with Amy, Roddy was the person she talked to right after her eviction. She claimed she watched the tapes and saw it all. She has shown all throughout the show how immature & a person without convictions she is. I mean I admire for how she played the game, but still "she is a dirty player". :)

BB3 has been great because the players excitingly & interestingly played the same way how BB2 played. Things are not looking good for BB4.

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Creampuff

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 09:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In my estimation, Dani did herself a major disservice during the time she and Lisa spent together at the end of the game. She became a motormouth and seemed to feel the need to go over and over and over much of her (and others) moves. In her repetative explanations I had the feeling that her express purpose was to rationalize and justify her position in each and every one of them. To whom? Herself and anyone else who might listen.

Dani appears to have an inflated ego given the fact that she was always mentioning how smart she is, among other facets of her mental abilities. I feel that she will repress any feelings of what she might have learned, possibly giving them some recognition further down the line. JMHO

This opinion is offered by someone who wanted Dani to win up until the last days.