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DANNI is extremely upset that Roddy thinks she is "soulless",as revealed from tonights hoh comp.:
Archive through September 23, 2002
Zeyna | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:56 am     Wcv, I appreciate that you share not only your opinion, but reason for that opinion. Often on the boards we argue logic, strategy, judgments, but rarely provide an emotional outlook, or own own experiences that relate to our train of thought. Just one comment about Roddy...he set the standards high, and failed in some cases. He was certainly not perfect. But setting high standards and failing is sometimes better then setting low standards and gloating that no failure occured (not in reference to Dani, just a general observation). |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:10 pm     I don't see Dani's admissions to being a liar and deceitful as anything that raises her to higher level of morality. I saw Roddy as trying to play an honest game with less than honest house mates. I don't think it can be done successfully. I didn't see Roddy insisting that Amy sacrifice herself. I saw Amy bringing up her promise first and telling Roddy (without his asking) that she promised to veto his nomination. AMY brought it up and gave her word. A guy that was trying to play honestly happened to believe her and he was evicted. Why shouldn't he remind her that she broke her word. SHE DID. Now they are both out of the house. Amy apparently does not hold a grudge against Roddy for anything. Many viewers still do and they put Amy down for her forgiving him for anything he said that was hurtful. Amy has now changed her mind on Dani and she is not happy with Dani at all for "trashing her". Many viewers are now upset with Amy for NOT immediately forgiving Danielle for her mocking and trash talking of Amy. That, to me is a complete double standard...and Roddy is being held to a much higher standard than Dani. Roddy calling Dani "soulless" was completely justified, seeing as how Dani took the rhetoric to that level. It is no better than what Dani had done...unless you take frequency into account. Roddy said "soulless" one time in response to a question from BB, but Dani called Roddy "the devil" about 4 to 5 thousand times (yes, that is *possibly* an exaggeration) with no BB provocation at all. By ANY measure, Roddy's one time use of that word is certainly no *worse* that what Dani did. Roddy is just playing a variation of the "Yo Mama" game, responding to Dani's remarks and attempting to top or equal them. JMO |
Pie_Eyed | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:10 pm     I don't know if this has been mentioned. But it seems to me that Dani has sold her soul to win a lousy 50k. Wouldn't that leave her soulless? |
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:18 pm     Zeyna - "Just one comment about Roddy...he set the standards high, and failed in some cases. He was certainly not perfect. But setting high standards and failing is sometimes better then setting low standards and gloating that no failure occured (not in reference to Dani, just a general observation)." I agree completely...I can see that as a general observation, but I also see that as how Roddy and Dani specifically, decided to approach and to play the game. JMO |
Richardfan | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:34 pm     Roddys strategy didn't work for one simple reason: Dani was on to him. For that I give her an enormous amount of credit. It took 4 weeks of calling him the "devil" to get him out of the house. As Jason pointed out, he thought he was "handing him the game" by not nominating him. Roddy pulled a page from Danielles book by using "soulless" as the adjective. Same as "devil" has religious connotations, so does "soulless". Any agnostic or atheist has thought a lot about religion in order to come to their own conclusion, so there is no lack of understanding the terminology of religion. Therefore, Roddys beliefs have nothing to do with how Danielles comments are perceived by him. Ruditoo: I've always said "consider the source" and that goes for Roddy as well. SanFran makes a good point: Would Roddy have brought religion into it if Danielle had not used it first? It is ironic that Roddy chose a word that would affect Danielle down to her soul. Finally, would Danielle have used "devilish" as her adjective for Roddy? hmmmm |
Mom | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:02 pm     Maris...I think you're exactly right. I think she's afraid of him for reasons that have nothing to do with BB. I think she knows he can see right through her...he knows she's not as smart as she wants to be and he can see that she pretends to be something she is not. She gets EXCITED talking about Roddy and I think she will talk about him the rest of her life. And I think any bad thing that happens in her life she will blame on Roddy. She should wake up. |
Cmore | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:04 pm     Many things can be said both pro and con about everyone in the game. Roddy did lie, manipulate ect. I don't frown on that inside the game because really it is part of the game. What really made me dislike Dani and think that she is a mean and ugly person, are the comments she made that had no context in the game at all. For example stating that tonya was a "bad mother" Do Dani supporters consider that joking or in the context of the game? It was something that never needed to be said, much less in front of the world. It was a personal dig, had nothing to do with the game and only exposed Dani as the ugly , unkind and hateful person she really is. If Roddy made any personal comments of this nature that were outside the game, please point them out as i surely missed them. I only pointed out one example of dani's personal "beyond the game" behavior, but i am sure i can fill the page with many more. |
Mom | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:04 pm     Onlyhuman--I don't think she ever grew to love Amy. She only said that after she'd realized her DRs and evictee-bashing were going to cost her the game. She has consistently tried to clean up after herself since the few days she spent bashing Roddy so intensely right after he was evicted. That's when she realized all of them were seeing her DRs. |
Mom | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:11 pm     When Dani says anything nice about evicted houseguests, she is only trying to clean up after herself. She realized after Roddy was evicted, after those three days of intense intense Roddy-bashing, that they were going to see what she has had to say. She and Marcellas even said they needed to start playing without mentioning the names of any evictees, because the evictees would be watching. She pretends to be good and kind and it is all a big LIE. Later in life, I think, she'll figure out she has played a very bad game of life. |
Hippyt | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:22 pm     That's a great point you bring up Maris. I think you're right on,Dani is obsessive about Roddy. Hadn't really thought of it,but makes total sense. Dani sure dishes it out,but she can't hang when it comes back in her face. |
Bmh | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:26 pm     I dont think Dani was obsessive at all about Roddy..It only seemed like that because Dani's biggest threat was always roddy..and of course she is gonna discuss him she wants him outta the house..and she is discussing him now..because she is afraid of what Roddy will say to her on Monday..which is totally understandable also..Danielle could care less about Roddy after this game is over..vice-versa for Roddy |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:26 pm     Mom, here's the struggle that I always have with Danielle. I think that Danielle actually did grow to care for Amy on a certain level, just as she said. I've even heard her defend Amy and her behavior. But there seemed to be something always pushing Danielle to make those negative comments and just keep mocking Amy. I'm not sure what it's about, but it seemed almost compulsive for her. Even last Thursday, she kept sliding in little digs about Amy's jealousy, about her leaving her used tissues on the bed so Jason wouldn't sleep next to Lisa and so forth. That just never made sense to me. Why would you constantly say things about someone like that especially in a game like this? She did the same thing with Gerry and Roddy (though I think the Roddy stuff at least had an element of the game mixed in to it). Her apparent inability to control it just astounds me, because she controlled herself in so many other ways. Her complete lack of awareness about this type of behavior, especially when contrasted with her tendency to repeatedly point out Amy's human failings, has kept me from supporting her. I won't be upset if she wins, but I won't be surprised if this very obvious human flaw works against her in the final vote. |
Monalisa | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:41 pm     You are forgetting that Danielle is a mother, a wife.....and a woman! I am constantly on my husband about leaving the seat up on the commode too. That doesn't mean I am obsessed with ragging on him nor am obsessed with the commode. It in no way reflects the way I feel about him either....nor do some of the things I say about him when I get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom and end up with a wet hiney. These people are living together. Things are going to get on their nerves. Plus you through in the fact that they all think it is funny when she does it. Maybe she should have put a little more control on it for game sake, but I don't think it was as devious as everybody makes it out to be. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:51 pm     Hmmmm. I think I have found where I fundamentally disagree with those who support Roddy. I didn't see Roddy setting his standards high and failing. What I saw was someone who wanted to give the appearance of having high standards in order to give the impression of a higher morality and integrity without having to actually adhere to those standards. Even Roddy fell into the non-game name calling trap. And although I understand that many support him, probably from a place as a personal as my support of Dani, I don't have those common traits to identify with him. As for Dani's seeming obsession of Roddy...she always considered him to VERY good in the good and very good a manipulating and creating illusion. She knows that the game is not yet over and Roddy is still working on the outside for the votes. So yes, she feels threatened by him. Onlyhuman...lack of awareness...I don't know. As someone who grew up in a family with siblings and being constantly around people I know what it is like when they get on your nerves. The bickering and behind the back comments come with the territory even though you always love and care for them. Different experiences bring different perspectives. |
Battlestar | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:57 pm     Monalisa----I've always wondered why it is the man's responibility to put the toilet seat down and not the woman's responsiblity to put the toilet seat up??? One of life's little puzzles |
What555456 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:04 pm     Wcv I agree with you. Roddy set the goal of high morals and ethics for others so that he could hold others to them. But he never set them for himself nor attempted to adhere to them himself. |
Monalisa | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:09 pm     Battlestar....It's because a woman only uses it while in the down position. A man uses it both ways. So, 3/4 of the "type" of usage is with the position down....or at least that is the logic I used on hubby....LOL. |
Punkin | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:11 pm     Oh,I told my husband putting down the toilet seat is the chivalrous thing to do...like opening doors. He accepted that. It's when I tried logic that he rebelled. Go figure. |
Niceguy | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:12 pm     The Demolition Man's last assignment. Keep Dani from the 500k. It seems like a comic book doesn't it? |
Costacat | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:13 pm     I don't think Danielle is feeling guilty, and is trying to assuage her guilt. I think Danielle is feeling sorry she picked the wrong strategy in which to play the game, and came up (most likely) the second place loser. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:13 pm     You know I guess I really should read my posts before I hit submit. I simply type the thoughts in my head, sometimes backtrack to revise a statement or add a point and quickly hit send. My typos and errors are glaring and somewhat embarrassing. Sorry. Thanks What555. That's exactly it. As a matter of fact I believe that was his stated game strategy. |
Abby | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:38 pm     I think really, Dani was attracted to Roddy, This scares her, being religous, and wrong. She protests the man too much. She did once say he was marriage material. |
Snee | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:01 am     attraction? nah. if dani is obsessed, so is roddy. why else would he be trying to sway jury members? (if he is. seems like it.) dani talks about him because he was her biggest threat. this is my take on the 'devil'/'soulless' names. i thought the 'devil' referred to how good roddy was at manipulation and how he was dani's biggest threat. i still don't think it was meant to say roddy was Evil in the denotative sense. 'soulless' to me seems more real, though i don't know how roddy said it, to be fair. he could have meant it the same way. regardless, if either of these people think the other is actually factually evil then they are taking this Game waaaay too seriously. c'mon. |
Snee | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:03 am     oh, and while i don't think dani has been playing an honest game (although honest to herself), i don't believe roddy was either. |
Secretsmile | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 09:08 am     How do you think Danielle will feel when she see how much Amy trusted her and thought so highly of her? |
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