Archive through September 23, 2002
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Danielle is FREAKING OUT about the hg's questions today!!:
Archive through September 23, 2002
Richardfan | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:47 pm     Sean (may I call you Sean?): We'll truly know if "the devil" comments meant anything if either Roddy or Danielle bring them up during the question and answers today. |
C1mag | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:49 pm     Anytime you trash someone are you trying to villify them? And didn't marcellus say that the game was structured so that when you targeted someone the house villified them? If so then I would think the constant reminder that Roddy was the devil was an attempt to villify him. So it was definitely a strategy on her part. You had to keep saying it over and over to convince anyone that would fall for his slick words. Not saying it was right but it definitely was part of strategy to call him that. She praised him quite often, but always threw in the devil comments to remind the game players that in the house he was like the devil with all the charm and charisma. |
Bailey | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:54 pm     Yes.. as a non-Dani fan, I admit she has a heart.. a bit icy-cold.. but a heart just the same. (j/k2 ) |
Aerojunki | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:55 pm     Sanfran..I agree 100% with you! :o) |
Zachsmom | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:58 pm     C1mag.."And didn't marcellus say that the game was structured so that when you targeted someone the house villified them? If so then I would think the constant reminder that Roddy was the devil was an attempt to villify him. So it was definitely a strategy on her part. You had to keep saying it over and over to convince anyone that would fall for his slick words. " so what's the excuse of continuing after the person has left? |
Loppes | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:00 pm     I was thinking today at work about the two finalists and their comments, in conjunction with the Evicted Hgs being the jury. If you look at it from the perspective of a courtroom. In all jury trials, the defendant has a lawyer who advises them not to say anything. I think this may be Danielle's grave misjudgement. She has been speaking about members of the jury. I think if she had a lawyer, he would have advised her a long time ago: Don't say anything Dani, which may be held against you and incriminate you. Lisa on the other hand has been more quiet in her opinion of the Hgs. It will win her more favors with the "Jury", and she will be the winner I think. Lon |
Mystery | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:02 pm     Marcellus didn't say the game was structured so that the house vilified whoever was up for eviction. He said that some people had to vilify the nominees in order to justify evicting one of them. It had to do with some people's attempts to make themselves feel better about the eviction, rather than the structure of the game. If calling Roddy "the devil" was purely game strategy on Dani's part then it would have ceased the second he was gone. It didn't. I think she was just calling him the worst thing she could think of. |
What555456 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:06 pm     Oh c'mon now Mystery. You think "the devil" is the worst that Dani can think of? I suspect she has, in her day, used some much stronger epithets. She does not strike me as someone who would not know what those words are -- or not use them. |
Mystery | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:07 pm     What, yes, I do think that "the devil" is the worst thing that Dani can think of to call someone. It's not a vocabulary issue, it's what she would call a moral issue. |
Kminfinity | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:14 pm     I have made an observation and connection about Dani's "badmouthing" of the HG's -- the reason she may lose the Jury vote. Before I discuss it I'd like to make it clear that I am not passing judgment on this personality "quirk", not discussing if it's right or wrong. The point is to analyze why she did/does it. I'd also like to say that personally, I do think her trashtalking was wrong (and so was the talk others engaged in), for several reasons : it was hurtful morally, outside of the context of the game, and it was hurtful to her chances in the game--it's the only game piece she misplayed, that of schmoozing the jury. She forgot about them seeing it all after they were evicted. That said, here's my observation : I work with inner city youth*. They are quick to give each other "hurtful" nicknames, which I discourage. They are quick to use physical intimidation, and to bad mouth each other. I'm talking here about their relationships with their FRIENDS, not their enemies or acquaintances. YET they also expect that their friends will not take this kind of behavior persoanlly, and usually THEY DON'T! For example, I'll observe some of this behavior and correct the one who "started" the issue, and the OTHER one will tell me, "He didn't mean nothing (sic) by it. I ain't mad." The "trash talk" in this case is a kind of "welcome to the club" kind of thing. Is it possible that Dani actually expects the other HG's to understand her remarks were not intended to be personal or hurtful? Is this a cultural kind of issue? *about 50/50 black-white |
Karuuna | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:23 pm     Kminfinity - an interesting point, and it may be her belief, but it still doesn't make it right. In my own experience in working with gangs, I got the same response - that such comments within the gang weren't taken personally. But I never let them get away with that. It was (and is) my opinion that such talk demeans them even if they think it doesn't. As an example, they were quite fond of calling each "Mother-F***er". When I explained to them the origin of the term, and how when they continued using that term, they were only continuing to degrade each other, whether they *felt* that way or not.. they usually got the point. |
Wiseolowl | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:35 pm     Danni doesn't live in a ghetto or work in a ghetto. She was also raised in a Christian home and her father is a Minister. I doubt that she was raised in a trash-talk environment and have no doubt that her words and actions don't raise a cultural issue but her own personal issue |
Pesto | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:53 pm     Kminfinity: You have hit on an issue that is dear to my heart and I think we see a similar cultural phenomenon on this board regarding diverse opinions of what is bashing and what is not. I think you are precisely correct when it comes to SOME (not all) of Dani's (and other HG) comments. People's sensitivities to verbal insults vary widely based on all sorts of cultural differences and that is also apparent on this board when you look at how people react to a particular HG comment. For example, the debate about "the devil/Satan" use is one issue where many people thought it was a serious insult that very much hurt Roddy's feelings. I don't perceive it that way at all. I thought she was complementing him in a way (I guess I'm culturally deprived ) I also had a more subdued reaction to some of Dani and Mars bashing conversations regarding Gerry. I am NOT defending the conversations, I'm just saying that I didn't think some were as bad as people made them out to be (JMO). Now, other things that have been said are not in this category (also JMO); the first example I can think of is much of the Tonya bashing... To me it was just mean-spirited, and even if they were being honest in their opinions, it was not at all fair or smart to broadcast on television. It will be interesting to read others' opinions on the "Why" issue. |
Loppes | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:55 pm     Wiseolowl, Yes, I think its simply a matter of it being that's her personality and character. Some feel its justifiable, others don't. We all set different standards for our own tolerance, and our tolerance of others. Lon |
Denecee | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 03:59 pm     Let's not deny the fact that all other HG except Jason said negative things about other HG. IMO, the only reason Jason didn't do any of the bashing is because of the fact he was being watched 24/7 and knows it isn't good christian behavior. I'm not saying that you are not a good christian if you talk about somebody behind their back because I think it's human behavior to do this at least a little bit. Jason was the most aware of the cameras and acted accordingly. I liked all the HG except for Tanya & Roddy. |
Foodbunny | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 04:03 pm     So Jason making snide comments about asking Amy if she wanted to drink the vanilla (making fun of her desire for alcohol) wasn't bashing? |
Pesto | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 04:07 pm     The "Living or not living in a ghetto" comment grossly simpifies the issue in my opinion... The inner-city example was used, but there are countless other ways in which people are culturally different... |
Bastable | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 04:09 pm     I'm sorry, but since when has HG bashing been the hot topic for BB viewers? Contestants bash each other on all the other shows (not least of them Survivor), and they've bashed each other on all the other seasons of BB, too. This is nothing new, and it used not to be a major criteron of whether a person was allowed to win. We're only talking about bashing, and tsk-tsking the HGs like a gaggle of schoolmarms, because this particular batch of HGs (especially Roddy) have made it an issue. If Roddy hadn't chosen to make bashing such a pivotal issue (which he did, by the way, so that he could win the game--not because he's a moralist!), we'd be talking about something else. |
Crazydog | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 04:15 pm     I don't think Roddy was the one to make it an issue. We on this board were talking about the horrible bashing of Tonya by Dani, Marc and Amy long before Roddy exited the house and complained about the Devil comments. We were talking about the horrible bashing of Gerry by everyone long before Roddy left, too. I think the difference with BB3 as opposed to other shows re bashing is the intensity and frequency of it. Dani Marc and Amy seem to truly relish in it, like it was their national sport. There is absolutely no reason why they had to continue to bash people once they had left the house. We also don't have live feeds for Survivor, they could bash all they want but unless it aired we would never know. I feel the amount of bashing between this year and BB2 is much worse. |
Mrsniceguy | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 04:49 pm     I have to agree that this year the trash talk was way outta control and will cause Dani to not take home the big prize. I don't buy the cultural difference theory. When Dani and Marc were alone then they could trash talk to their hearts content. They were mean, and hurtful and they never let up. Certainly people who have cultural differences who work and associate with other cultures realize that they modify their behaviour to an acceptable norm. The only reason that one wouldn't modify their behaviour is because of arrogance...not ignorance (although they were also ignorant) Regarding the Devil..I believe this was Danielle's worst epitaph that she could think of 'being a Christian Woman'. Roddy has every right to be hurt by her words. He knew what this word meant to her. His attack on her hit her to the core. He really didn't trash talk that I recall but when given the opportunity he got her good! BB1 was too polite. BB2 was great...I can't recall anything being said that wasn't said to their faces. Too bad the poor fools didn't believe the truth staring in their face. BB3 was enjoyable to watch (I liked the trash talk as much as anyone)..but I listened, too bad that the people spewing the venom didn't realize that they would be accountable. |
Niceguy | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 05:14 pm     As always Mrs. Niceguy, I concur. Would like me to fix your bath now dear? |
Maris | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 05:16 pm     although....................if Dani does come in second I can see her easily explaining away why she didnt get first. She will blame cultural differences and say people just didntunderstand her and where she was coming from. |
Jaysgal | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 05:26 pm     Maris, Danielle would have successfully played the race or culture card if she didn't win had she not backstabbed her own--Marcellas. She can hardly argue race or culture anymore since she had no problem deceiving someone of her skin tone and exploiting his belief in having one of his stay to the end. As much as she would argue that it was part of her strategy, it voids any case she has about race or so-called culture. Even Marcellas will not vote in her favour. Btw, the whole "culture" argument is unfounded. It's like arguing that all Whites, Hispanics, or whatever race are a certain way. Gossipping and malice is not a part of any culture. It is something found in Whites, Blacks, etc. I do not think that it is any more promoted in Black culture than it is in any other culture, unless one means to tell me that it is a trait. |
Lancecrossfire | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 05:29 pm     It will be interesting to see how cultural differences explain away putting people down well after they are not part of the game you are playing. (not being in the house any more when others are left) It will be interesting whose fault she will say it is that she said Gerry's kids might be as stupid as Gerry. No one is going to convince me that type of thing has anything to do with the game of BB. I'm not saying others didn't do the same thing--Josh calling Gery a nazi al the time and calling his wife Eva Braun---but Josh isn't sitting there as one of the two finalists able to win 500K. Dani is. If Josh were in that position, my post would be about him. Dani and others need to stop making excuses for it happening at all. |
Lisad | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 06:21 pm     I didn't hear her calling Roddy the devil again. I heard her mocking herself. Imitating herself saying he the devil - then implying she cut her throat. |
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