Last Comp was UNFAIR to all! Not worthy of a 50K decision.
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Tobor7

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I did not like the last comp.
With a 50K outcome I am shocked that is the best they could do. Feeble. So feeble.

If you are going to do that "sort" of thing, at least give it a Jeopardy style design. Various wagers, various categories, increasing wagers-- hit the bell if you know the answer. Something a little bigger to reflect the importance of the outcome.
And the questions-- many seemed like a guessing game. At times it both looked like they were making the best guess. The HG may have said the word, but maybe they were not honest about it. It didn't measure anything but luck (mostly).

I, for one didn't like it. I wanted better. I wanted more.

Phillymom

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It was the same as last year's final competition. Jason said many times that he watched BB2 last year, even the internet feeds, so I'm surprised he didn't see it coming. Not that he could have done anything to prepare for it. I think it was partly a guessing game, but with some intuition and perception thrown in.

I'm shocked that Jason didn't do better than he did. I can only come up with the fact that he seemed extremely nervous. He SHOULD have gotten the Amy one (she was forever calling him Precious, I don't know how he got that wrong). I can't remember which other ones he got wrong, but I remember thinking at the time "How did he miss that?"

But, all in all, I agree with you, Tobor. I think it was a pretty lame final competition for the big money.

Jagger

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree tobar, I did not like the last round of questions, it really didn't have anything to do with events that happened in the house. The answers to these questions were so if'e, the hg could basically have used these words to discribe any of the hgs at any time. I think BB/cbs definitly needs to re-look at some of their games, hire someone that has an imagination.

Tobor7

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, this stuff just feels like summer-intern created 3rd rate crap.
Why don't they do a contest for ideas and give a prize?

Mrdisguise

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
and would a woman have an advantage over a man in a challenge like this?

women do tend to have better emotional instincts than men.

Bmh

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually enjoyed that challenge it was interesting to hear what all the evicted houseguests thought..of Dani,Lisa,and Jason..I really liked it!..plus it made Lisa and Dani paranoid and got them thinking

Hermione69

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with BMH. Really interesting to see the words the evicted HGs submitted and I'm sure it got in everyone's head just like it was supposed to do!

Gidget

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ooooo Tobor, excellent idea. Advertise in the spring on the CBS site. You create the comps. Great way to get the viewers involved. And the top winners could get a trip to LA and a walk thru. Or an invite to the cast party. Or even just a sound bite on the show, your name and pic before your comp is played

Who has Arnold's address? We should send him this idea.

Spunky

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I knew Tobor was the author of this thread...eh, eh...

It was in three parts and that's already a big competition in my view.

What I don't like is that one player sits out (like Danielle) they should all three compete and the one with the lowest score (after 3 parts) is evicted. (Danielle in this case). This way no one could have thrown the comp.Danielle would not have put the stress on Jason and she would not have hidden behind Jason to kick out Lisa. Everyone would have seen her true colors.

All three compete, the one with the lowest score is evicted. To keep the momentum going, we'll have the grand finale right afterwards with the Jury to decide the winner. (These last three days waiting for Wednesday are a waste of time). In case of a tie, a live quiz as a tiebreaker with Tobor's suggestion, bells and all. The smartes player wins it all.

Jaysgal

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they should change the rule of the game for the last competition. The two top winners should automatically be the final two. It would have been Will and Nicole (even though I didn't wish to see Nicole there); and this season it would have been Jason and Lisa.

Spunky

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jaysgal,
that's also a good suggestion. However, due to the nature of a BB game (cutthroat), they want the HOH winner to do the eviction,unfortunately.

Cajunrambler

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mrdisguise,

Women are better at competitions involving remembering things. They never forget a thing. (ha ha)

Muse

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked the third HOH competition better than most quiz competitions they've had, but yes...it seemed a little boring for the *final* competition. Especially since they did it last season. I think it would have been okay for the first two competitions, maybe. Endurance as the last competition would have been more interesting, IMO.

Battlestar

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If it was the top two winners in the final HOH competions going to the final 2--then Jason wouldn't even be there cause Danielle would not have taken her time through the 2nd HOH comp and she would have won it.

Toolhound

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The first competion was all physical, the second was physical and mental, the third was mental. If you listened and knew the evicted HGs you would have a good idea what they thought of you and others. I think it is the perfect mix of competitions.

Costacat

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I disagree. We have a different perception of how the evicted HGs felt about the ones still in the house. We've seen EVERYTHING (including the DR sessions). Most of us should've been able to get most of the questions in the third round correct. It was very interesting watching Lisa and Jason think about who might've said what about them. The "precious/sweet" question was a good example of such.

Round 1 was simply endurance; who wants it the most will hold on the longest.

Round 2 was the same as last year: a timed competition.

Round 3 was basically interpretation based on memory, and knowledge of what the other HGs thought/felt.

I don't think any of the three rounds favored any one person competing. I think Jason lost the first round cause he just lost concentration, meaning I don't think he wanted to win as badly as Lisa (she refused to look uncomfortable; she continued to look very relaxed during most of the 4+ hours). I think Danielle lost the second round simply because I don't think she's as smart as she claims she is (I think saying she'd "thrown" many of the comps is a coverup for failure). Jason lost round 3 because his perception of what the evicted HGs might say was not truly based in reality: I don't think he really knew who thought what about whom. And that was obvious during his final interview with Julie, wherein he said he was glad Danielle was going to win the $500K.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Part 1 was an endurance challenge that was purely physical but one that required strong focus to win.

Part 2 was a set of timed physical tasks that also required a good memory.

Part 3 wasn't physical or a memory thing....it was simply a measurment of which of the two competitors were more in touch with the ex HG's FEELINGS, which is an entirely different matter than just remembering the order of things. It required more than facts and physical strength. It required the ability to see themselves from the ex HG's points of view.

(Btw, I don't think Dani would have done very well in part 3...she doesn't seem to see herslef in the same way that many of the ex HGs do...JMO)

I think it was a totally fair competition....with all three parts, it covered the whole range of abilities needed to win it....with none of the competitors being favored over another.

JMO

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gee, Costacat....I spent too much time organizing my thoughts and then I finally finish and I post, only to see that you already said practically everything I was!

Spotbiter

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it was an excellent comp for this reason: ultimately, success in the game seems to come down to understanding the motivations and perceptions of others. If you have this, then you can play based on that information. When you are blind to others (ala Gerry, Marcellas and Josh), you get blind-sided. When you try to manipulate the perceptions (ala Roddy and Danielle), you are vilified. When you don't care (ala Chiara and Amy), you are shed like chaff.

When you truly understand the others (alo Lisa), you come out on top.

Bmh

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I disagree Sanfran..DAnielle knows the majority of the jury are upset with her why else would she say the vote will be 9-1 last night..I think she would have done awesome on part 3 if she was allowed to compete

Marcieb

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought it was an excellent contest and fair to all. When MrDisguise says "women do tend to have better emotional instincts than men" wouldn't you also think a man could last longer than 40 minutes in a rubber boat in an above ground pool? Since that didn't happen, all bets are off in expecting who'll win a round. It was designed to challenge everyone equally by including three completely different comps and the winner is who takes 2 out of 3.

I, like many on the outside I bet, scored 9 out of 9 without hesitation. The fact that Lisa got 8 right (also without hesitation) makes me think Jason just choked. That doesn't mean the test was unfair. Just that your guy didn't win.

Dulci

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
heh, I got 8 out of 9 right, I thought Amy's "Sweet" would go to "Sugah" lol...:)

Wiseolowl

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey - I'm no genius - and don't get the live feeds - but I beat Jason who's lived in the house - either he threw it intentionally , is dumb (which I don't think) or he caved under pressure -which may be the case- I often beat the Jeopardy contestants , but doubt I could do it under studio lights - but if it's a pressure thing - how do you structure a competition without pressure?

Northstar

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wiseolowl, funny stuff. I too was beating Jason and I was thinking, my word, is he throwing this thing? Then I noticed he became a little twitchy and thought oh oh, he's hit'n the wall - come'on J, deep breaths. I was also laughing at LiLi's kick butt performance. As to whether Dani was smiling or not, it makes total sense to me. When I'm in a "I can NOT believe this is happening" situation, my automatic response is a smile and thoughts of "holy, holy". I actually thought the comps were fair; typical BB but fair.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Jason was dumb or that he choked from the pressure of the importance of the comp. I think he was just being Jason.

It seems to me that he tends to not want to see "bad things" and I got the impression that he saw most of the HGs through his vanilla, B&W, Leave it to Beaver glasses. He tended to not want to see the fact some of the HGs would think of one another as "spineless" or "soulless". I'm guessing that if he was flustered it was just because he never thought to pick up on negative feelings that the HGs had for them. He did choose correctly with the Roddy "soulless" descriotion, but I think that was pretty obvious after all the devil remarks.

It was just Jason not wanting to admit to himself that most folks don't filter out the negatives when sizing up others. It was those negative words that flustered him, I'm guessing. I also wouldn't be surprised if Josh's description of Jason as "spineless" carried over to the next couple of questions, causing him to remain flustered. He seemed ill prepared to hear that he was not still the "messiah" in everyone's eyes.

JMO

Cupcake

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL San Fran! Your description of Jason's vanilla, B&W, Leave it to Beaver glasses makes me think he is really an escapee from the movie "Pleasantville." Maybe that's why he seemed too good to be true.

Costacat

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with SanFran about Jason. He so firmly believe(d) that Danielle would be winning the game when he got evicted. Hello Jason. Welcome to the REAL world.

I think Jason is sensitive enough to have been able to pick up on the evicted HGs real feelings but I think he was in denial about anything bad being said or thought while in the house. He reminded me of Shirley Temple -- just obliviously skipping his way thru his life (MY OPINION, to which I AM entitled). I don't know how sheltered his childhood was, but he seems to want to believe the best and nicest about others, even in the face of proof of the opposite (for example, his total blinders with regards to Danielle).

That was Jason's weakness in the game. Danielle also realized it (did you watch her face as he missed Q after Q?), and capitalized on it during their alliance.

Kaili

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought also that they were pretty easy to predict. I was shouting out who went with what description as Julie was reading them. I think I got one wrong...don't remember which one though.

Gina8642

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 03:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
None of the 'question' competitions have been terribly 'worthy'. That is the nature of the game. The question competitions have always been pretty lame and random. At least this one they had to think a tiny bit.

Tvgirl

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 03:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was wondering if maybe Jason threw the 3rd part because maybe he felt Danielle and Lisa needed the money more. I don't know how he got the Marcellas question wrong, which one he thought was attractive, I thought it was obvious that Jason was the right answer.

Spunky

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No, unfortunately Jason wasn't as well prepared as he thought. He did not throw it. At that point he was playing for himself because he knew Danielle was safe anyway, since she made a deal with Lisa. He accepted betrayal and defeat with a lot of grace. Bravo Jason.

Cc1976

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Speaking of the 2nd part of the competition, did anyone else notice that it was unfair? It didn't matter because Dani wanted to lose anyway, but if they were two competitors trying to win, it would have been a point of controversy.

Dani went first of course. When she ran outside and to the basket, turn on the shower, fill it up until the water reached the white line, then she dunked the towel in it.

I don't know if they forgot to dump the water out so Jason's starting point was the same as Dani's, but Jason ran out, hit the shower, and immediately dunked the towel. He didn't need to wait for the water level to reach the white line.

Like I said, it didn't matter because Dani wanted to lose anyway, but it was mistake by Big Brother.

Onlymytulips

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that last competition was a great challenge. If the houseguests paid attention and or tried to get to know the others they would have some sort of insight of the personalities. Danielle and Jason used alot of their energy trying to find time to get together, share secrets and scheme, that neither of them found the time to chit chat with the others. That was the downfall of Jason and Danielle's handholding. Danielle wouldn't have fared well in the last competition either. Just another reason that the evicted HG's can use for not voting Dani to win the big mulah.

Wendo

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spunky said, "However, due to the nature of a BB game (cutthroat), they want the HOH winner to do the eviction,unfortunately."

And, additionally, it gives the ultimate winner (in this case Lisa) the opportunity to pick the person who they feel they can beat. Why not give the last HOH an advantage to win the whole shebang.