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Rts

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There are lot of sites like this: http://roddy.shorturl.com. That show Roddy really wasn't that honest in the house.

Is Roddy now using his so called manipulation powers to infulence the jury? He is calling all the jury memebers telling them not to vote for her. And meeting with them one on one to get them to change. I think he was even on an Amy chat.

On another note. Is it proper for housemates to give expensive gifts as a way to influence the vote. In a bigbrotherlive3.com chat with Eric and Josh. Eric says if Lisa wins. Lisa will pay for a vacation to Cancuun for Josh. What if a family member of Lisa's made an offer like that?
Is everything fair game? I'm just curious to know if there are laws on the books that would prohibit anything like this.

Superfan

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Eric says if Lisa wins. Lisa will pay for a vacation to Cancuun for Josh."

Does that EVER disgust me! Eric just dropped a notch.

"Is Roddy now using his so called manipulation powers to infulence the jury? He is calling all the jury memebers telling them not to vote for her. And meeting with them one on one to get them to change. I think he was even on an Amy chat."

Yes, I do believe Roddy is campaigning against Dani. This man has been the biggest disappoint on BB3 (in my mind). I loved watching his antics, but once he got booted he's been nothing but a disappointment (denying any shenanigans, any manipulation, any lies, etc., etc.). Saddest part is that Chiara, Amy, maybe Josh, Eric is a given, and maybe even Tonya (I'm not so sure she's as clueless as people think) will lap up his every word. Cause ya know, he always has such good reasons for everything.

Anyhow, I believe Roddy is one bitter man because Dani KICKED HIS BUTT!

Zeyna

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That was not Roddy on Amy's chat...you can read about it in "outside the house" section of the board.

PS Can you say for certain Roddy is calling everyone telling them to vote for Dani?? Where exactly did you get this information?

Foodbunny

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is very important information and I'm bumping this thread so more people can see it. It was NOT Roddy in Amy's chat.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw where Marcellas said that HE called Roddy.

Yes, the Amy chat had a Roddy IMPOSTER.

That IMPOSTER in the Amy chat was what a lot of people used as their "evidence" that Roddy is manipulating all the ex HGs! LOL

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In any case....the jury lobbying one another is PART OF THE GAME. He has every right to lobby for whomever he wants to win the big bucks. (When a presidential candidate drops out of the primaries, does he not often throw his support and campaign for whomever he wishes?) Don't think for one second that Dani would not be lobbying for Jason to win had Dani been evicted by Lisa last night!

It's part of the game. Go RODDY! Work your "hypnotic magic" on all those "naive and simple minded ex HGs" that so many people believe cannot think for themselves!

<silly sarcasm there...I don't believe for one second that the ex HGs can't think for themselves!>

LOL

Lulu

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rts, So Eric is already spending Lisa's money? LOL

Tobor7

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is nothing more dangerous than wounded prey.

A real winner will make sure they did not make an enemy of their opponent. That is a real talent that real winners learn sooner or later.

Not that I'm saying it is right or wrong... just not a good thing to do.

Standard disclaimers, JMO, etc.

Superfan

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just as an FYI, my feelings on Roddy's campaigning are SPECULATION ONLY. This is from RODDY'S chat where he states he's been in contact with the evicted:

"<roddybb3> ive talked to everyone from the house except lori, but we have left messages for each other"

I also read somewhere where he stated he had 'tried' reaching Amy through BB when she got evicted, but couldn't connect until later. Emails back and forth with her? Something like that.

I wasn't anywhere near basing it on a fake Amy/Roddy chat (where unless I'm thinking of the wrong chat, didn't see the fake Roddy bashing Dani).

I'll re-state, "I" feel Roddy is amazed that the powerhouse Dani showed HIM some smackdown and will try to use his 'as always' wonderful reasonings to the others.

Very. Weak.

And can only serve one purpose...revenge. Didn't he condemn revenge at one point? Or was that just Chiara?

Again, my speculation only.

Ramrod

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Roddy has to campaign against Dani for her to lose. She already lost the game thanks to her nasty mouth. All the blame lies squarely on Dani's shoulders. Roddy and Jason understood that you have to play to the jury as well as to the people still in the house, something Dani was not bright enough to figure out until it was too late. The damage has been done, and she will lose. I hope so anyway!:)

Cliotheleo

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I mentioned in another thread that just before he left, Roddy promised Dani that he would do what he could to make sure she stayed in the house and then asked her for the same promise (and she half-heartedly agreed.) I think he did that because, at the time, he felt that he might be going out and knew she was behind it. He wanted to catch her in a lie to use it against her if he was evicted. Dani going back on that "promise" was one of the first things he mentionied to Julie during his exit interview which gives me further reason to believe he asked her for her promise with alterior movtives in mind.

So IF Roddy is campaigning against her, I think his decision to do so started long before he left the house.

Goddess146

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do not believe that Roody needs to campaign against Dani. She has done enough damage to herself all by herself.

I do however also believe that Roddy is not remaining netural. In Amy's EW interview, she said that the reason Dani deamonized Roddy was to take the negative attention off of Dani. This sophisticated analysis is exactly what Roddy has been saying. I do believe that Amy picked up that reasoning from Roddy. On the other hand, Roddy did not need to influence Amy. She learned enough about Dani on her own to decide Dani should not win.

Roddy's best course would be to avoid manipulation. Many of the people in the house feel they were already manipulated in the game by Roddy. If he attempts to manipulate them now, they may react in a negative way and vote for Dani just to spite Roddy.

It will be interesting to see how Josh votes. We have heard that he clearly wants Dani to win. Will Roddy be able to change Josh's mind?

Letmeinthere

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If it was a Roddy imposter then how do we know if it was really Amy in that chat?

Crossfire

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Apparently the webmaster verified her through her parents or something to that effect.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
goddess146 - "Many of the people in the house feel they were already manipulated in the game by Roddy."

I used to hear that from people IN the house, especially after Dani told them that, but haven't heard of anyone that has left the house saying that they were manipulated by Roddy....except maybe Josh. Is that really what some of the ex HGs have said after they left the house? I'm curious.

Penpoint

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rts: "Is it proper for housemates to give expensive gifts as a way to influence the vote. In a bigbrotherlive3.com chat with Eric and Josh. Eric says if Lisa wins. Lisa will pay for a vacation to Cancuun for Josh."

I read the transcript of the chat in which this conversation between Eric and Josh took place. I did not get the impression that this was any kind of exchange of a gift for a vote. Instead it was the two guys saying let's get together and go down to Cancun, and Eric saying that if Lisa wins--since she'd have the money--she could pay for it. It appeared to me to be said in the same spirit as a bunch of co-workers going out for beer to celebrate Joe's promoption--and since he now has the extra bucks he can pay for the drinks. Of course, Eric wants Lisa to win BB3 and urged Josh to vote for her, but the trip was not offered in exchange for Josh's vote.

Azriel

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran, I think it's more likely that they feel like Dani manipulated them.

Letmeinthere, Amy's family has been involved at amycrews.com and they verified that it was Amy. They come in the chatroom and all of them have registered names so an imposter cannot masquerade as her parents or other family members. If you go in the chat room there and see the_queen then it will definitely be the real Amy.

The Roddy imposter in chat even had Amy fooled. Somehow this guy had gotten her email and the phone number where she had been staying from CBS. Willow does not believe just anyone who stumbles in the room and says they are someone. She thought she had the Roddy imposter legitimately verified.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Azriel - "Sanfran, I think it's more likely that they feel like Dani manipulated them."

Thanks....That's what *I* thought. I hadn't heard of ANY of the ex HGs saying they had felt manipulated by Roddy (once they were OUT of the house)...except like I said, maybe Josh. I think that's just the impression some viewers still have because Dani had some of the HGs believing that Roddy was manipulating them BEFORE they were evicted. Seems like once they leave the house and see some tapes they ALL realize the truth.

Meanwhile a lot of posters are continuing Dani's accusations of Roddy's all encompassing power of manipulation. The only problem is that the ex HGs have stopped being worked over by Dani and they see Roddy for he really is...a pretty decent guy.

Just my take on it...

Crossfire

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Speaking of Amy and Roddy.

I have a great clip from the EW Amy interview posted in outside the house. I think it deserves a bit of play here on the inside as it has been a really big issue.

Clip:

What did you think about the way Roddy addressed you after you didn't use the veto to save him?

--I don't think he was too mean to me. He honestly expected me to use it. He was so good with trying to talk me into it. He would sit there, and by the end of the conversation I would be debating whether I would do it. Danielle had the whole ''He's the devil,'' but I didn't think that. I felt bad. He is a good person and he has been honest in this game. He's played it, but he's been honest, and I felt bad that I was the one who ultimately kicked him out.
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Anyone want to let up on Roddy just even a smidgen? It seems Amy has not been damaged for life by his actions.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly Crossfire!

It's funny that they blame Amy for NOT still being mad at Roddy, yet they also blame Amy for being mad at Dani (after freshly seeing the nasty stuff she said behind Amy's back).

Seems like she's getting slammed by some Dani supporters for simply making up her own mind.

JMO

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What about those of US who have seen the tapes, the feeds, and more and feel that they were manipulated by Roddy? The best maniplator convinces those that are manipulated that nothing of the sort has happened. Roddy was so good at what he did I would expect nothing else but to have him reconnect with everyone and rewrite history with them. Especially because they all have something major in common- they lost the game.

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dani was the biggest manipulator in the house, not Roddy. As soon as each HG got OUT of the house they saw that it had been Dani all along, not Roddy (see Amy's remark posted above in Crrossfire's post)....even the ones that got out BEFORE Roddy came to the same conclusion (except maybe Josh).

Roddy can't be blamed for controlling the minds of all the folks that got evicted before him (many of them were people he wanted to keep as allies) and also be blamed for controlling all the minds of the remaining HGs that actually evicted HIM (if he was in control of them, why did they evict him?)....and now be blamed for controlling the minds of the ex HGs that left the house AFTER him...they just viewed the tapes and came to the same conclusion about Dani that Roddy did.

In fact, it appears that the majority of posters on this board came to a negative conclusion about Dani but I don't think Roddy is calling all of US and telling us who to support....at least I know I haven't picked up MY phone to hear Roddy telling ME what to think! :)

I came to my conclusions from watching the shows and the live feeds. I didn't come to my conclusions because Roddy told me to. I would guess that most of the other non Dan supporters would also not give Roddy the credit for them making up their own minds.

JMO

Crossfire

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well...you guys are still free to believe what you wish as always.

I just happen to think this new evidence deserves consideration if for no reason other than to show Roddy did not cause any undue harm to her.

I think his manipulation skills are highly overrated myself though. He is on the outside looking in.

Tobor7

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Has anyone ever said to you;
"If you love me you will do this for me."
Or have you ever said it to anyone?

This is the worst manipulation of them all.

Sanfranjoshfan

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tobor7 - "Has anyone ever said to you;
"If you love me you will do this for me."
Or have you ever said it to anyone?

This is the worst manipulation of them all."

I can see a time when that would not be the case (worst manipulation of them all).

What if a guy had a girlfriend and he was really controlling and wanted her to stay home all the time? Her best friend from college is in town for two hours on a layover and his girlfriend wants to go spend that time with her at the airport. The boyfriend says he wants her to stay at home with him "because he loves her so much he can't bear to spend the time apart".

She tells him "If you love me you will do this for me."

So....that being the "worst manipulation of them all" is really just dependent upon the point of view of the questioner.

If Roddy told Amy that same thing when trying to get her to honor her word, then I would have to say that was merely an *attempt* at manipulation. If it had been an *actual* manipulation, then Amy would have vetoed him.

Maybe all the hoopla against Roddy's "power" is because of his *attempted* (but failed) manipulations.... which ultimately just proved that he was NOT a good manipulator at all. If he had truly been successful, he'd still be in the house as one of the final 2.

JMO