Twiggyish | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:33 pm     I know he thinks Danielle is playing a good game, but he hasn't said why he doesn't want to vote for Lisa, instead. (Let's keep this on topic about Josh and Lisa, please) |
Jimmer | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:37 pm     I think that it's a fairly straightforward explanation. He doesn't like Lisa because Lisa and Chiara didn't like him and wanted him out of the house. And, he's the kind of guy who likes Danielle's strategy. |
Meggieprice | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:38 pm     Lisa voted to evict Josh when he was up against Tanya. He was against her after that. |
Foodbunny | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:39 pm     When Lisa was HOH she overheard Gerry and Josh talking about betraying her and kicking her out next. She confronted Josh about it and that's when he decided she was a scumbag. |
Bmh | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:40 pm     ya I think it has alot to do with past emotions and Josh is holding that against Lisa...but I also think it has alot to do with him believing that Dani played the game better |
Zeyna | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:40 pm     Well, it's all Dani's fault j/k I always thought Josh was resentful of both Lisa and Chiara for having Roddy and Eric's attention. After Lisa broke away from the alliance, voted for Tonya over Josh, and the boys were ok with it, it probably got Joshy a little upset. |
Lisad | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:43 pm     He said she played the game the best. Not sure what the rules are for picking a winner, but if it is for gameplay - he sounds like one that will follow the rules and not let emotions/personal feelings get in the way. Isn't that what the rules usually call for? |
Twiggyish | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:46 pm     I like Josh, however, I do think there's more to the story. (In regards to Lisa) I agree about past emotions. |
Jimmer | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:49 pm     As far as I know, there are no “rules” for picking a winner. They simply vote for who they want to have win and can base their decision on any reasoning that they want (hence the classic Survivor, pick a number between one and ten). |
Cricket | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:19 pm     It always seems to come down to 'who played the game the best.' I hope they ALL vote that way this time. I'm sure not all the houseguests really liked Will last year, but many thought he played the game the best, so they voted for them. Good for Josh for using his brain instead of his emotions. I still feel he got used and abused in the game. He was telling people the truth and he got called a liar. I didn't remember that Lisa overheard him and Jerry. I just never saw a 'connection' between Josh and Lisa, whereas, he seemed to have some respect for Dani. |
Twiggyish | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:21 pm     Yes, I agree about Will. He WAS telling them and they didn't listen. |
Jimmer | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:27 pm     Isn't the person who played the game the best, the one that ends up with the $500,000? Saying otherwise reminds me of sore losers in sports events where people say "we were the better team - they just got lucky and scored more points". |
Lisad | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:28 pm     I wish CBS would post more information like this. I thought there were some "instruction" similar to what a jury receives for a trial. And I thought it was for them to be unbiased. Hmmm.. I guess we'll see. |
Twiggyish | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:30 pm     I think according to Josh, he would use that criteria. (It may not be how others would view it, though) |
Tobor7 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:44 pm     Lisa had the chance to use POV and save Josh. He had a talk with her and she should have told him to his face what she was going to do. She was mean to him in the way that she announced that she would not used POV in front of the others. Standard disclaimers: JMHO, etc. |
Konamouse | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:05 am     Go back to when Eric & Lisa were nominated. Josh tried to get Gerry to nominate Chiara & Lisa (thus almost guarenteeing that another woman would be evicted and keeping the Boy's Club intact). Then, Eric was evicted instead of Lisa. He lost his best chance for staying in the game (the Boy's Club). It is easy for him to blame Lisa for this. Also, of note - while Roddy, Chiara, Tonya and Eric have all been socializing after the game (visits to Las Vegas, multiple on-the-local radio station phone calls between the three of them), Josh has kept to himself (with Merrit). And, finally, he admires Danielle for playing the game better than he did. End result - Josh votes for Danielle. |
Jaysgal | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:11 am     Actually, I've never heard them ask Josh directly, between Lisa and Danielle and Jason, who do you wish to win? Or between Lisa and Danielle, who do you want to win? The questions have all been under the assumption that Lisa would not make it to the end. Again, people thought that Lisa was the weakest link and would be out of the game, so only Danielle and Jason would be left. Remember Josh also disliked Chiara and called her names. She was the one who led to his demise, yet he's friends with her and said it was just a game. If he doesn't hold it against Chiara, I don't see why he would hold it against Lisa. I haven't read any interview where he said he would. |
Toolhound | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 11:17 am     Josh came into the game planning to lie to everyone to get to the end and it didn't work for him. Naturaly he is going to like someone that got there with the same plan. |
Onlyhuman | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:07 pm     Ummm...so, Josh disliking Lisa for personal reasons, commenting about the betrayal of the others and respecting Danielle's gameplay is all about Josh being able to keep this in persepective? I don't think so! Josh is going to vote just as personally as everyone else. He is going to vote for Danielle because he has nothing personal against her, because she played the same way as he did, and because he enjoyed watching those he thought of as friends get the same treatment he got. It's all personal, there is no way to not make it so. If you like Danielle, then you are obviously going to think he is voting the "right" way. Just because he likes Danielle and dislikes Lisa doesn't make him unbiased. |
Wendydarling | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:18 pm     Josh doesn't like Lisa..he hasn't from the beginning..I think it's because Lisa didn't like him. He couldn't shmooze her, and it made him angry. He doesn't just 'not like her'..it's deeper than that. He really detests her. |
Eden | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 04:08 am     I think he recognizes that Lisa didn't really have her own strategy but chose to follow Danielle and her strategy to get to the final three. I think Josh has long since let go of those "didn't like Lisa" feelings and just watched the game play out and for strategic reasons thinks Lisa is less of a player than Danielle. Pretty simple and straight forward. |
Crazydog | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 08:26 am     Josh will vote for Danielle because he says he respects the way she played the game. But Wendydarling is right, Josh does not like Lisa and never has. I think a large part of that has to do with the fact that he found out he couldn't control her. When she was the first HoH I recall him basically bragging that she was going to do whatever he wanted. The two of them were Tree competition partners and I really think he thought the two of them were going to be a solid team, which didn't happen. I also think he wanted to get into her pants and she spurned him. |
What555456 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 08:39 am     The premise of this entire thread is that Josh must dislike Lisa in order to vote for Danielle. I don't think that has to be the case. It could likely be that his is a postive vote -- for someone -- not a negative vote -- against someone. Indeed, most of the discussions on this Board about the voting are based on people casting negative votes -- against someone rather than for the other person. If we view the decision making process of each of the losers as a decision about who to vote against, we may make some major mistakes in understanding how the vote will go. Just why does one have to have something against someone in order to vote for that person's opponent? I don't think one does. |
Toolhound | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 08:41 am     Josh wanted the game to be a boy's only club and it was okay if Danni was there to cook and clean because she was married and not interested in any of the boys. Now that Lisa has showed she played the best game by laying low and saving her best play untill it was needed. Yes I think laying low and listening was a great game plan. It is a proven fact because Lisa is in the final 2. Josh would not consider this a game plan because he could not keep his mouth shut long enough to try it. So he naturaly thinks Danni's way was the right way. |
Maris | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 08:41 am     I am not so sure that Josh is going to vote for Danielle. Remember when he made the comment that if Lisa makes it to the final two and if it was her strategy to play the invisible HG then he takes his hat off to her too. I suspect that Josh's question to Lisa will be about her strategy. If she says her strategy was to lay low and be invisible, Josh may just give her the money. |