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What555456

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There has been much assertion but little proof (it seems to me) that Roddy is campaigning among the losers to make sure Dani only gets the $50K.

Do you think this is really true? And which of the other losers do you think will be influenced by him most? Or do you think the other losers will make their decision on their own?

Loralyceallen

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Are they positive that was really Roddy in Amy's chat room last night? If they are, then it does look as though he is campaigning against Dani.

Itsallgood

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No and None. Every HG has a mind of their own. (except for maybe Jason) lol

Go Amy!! (oh, I forgot she was evicted. OMG but how popular is she now, and she got this popular for staying true to herself!) ;-)

JMHO

Loppes

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 07:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is a bit of grasping at straws don't you think? Roddy and Amy are not stupid people.
Lon

Lucymac

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 07:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the evicted houseguests all came to their own conclusions about Dani without hearing what Roddy had to say. I don't think Roddy is campaigning any more than the other evicted houseguests. After all we haven't heard their phone conversations with each other. They're all responsible for making their own decisions. I just think some people don't like seeing the evicted houseguests now figure out what Dani has done and now change their opinions of her, so they have to place the blame somewhere and it is now getting placed on Roddy. I think he's being given too much credit.

Angelbleu

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 07:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was in the chat room with Amy last night and she had mentioned her displeasure with Dani before Roddy came into the chat room....she did say she had emailed Roddy but had not heard back from him....

Spear

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think the evicted houseguests could change their opinions about Dani so soon (one day or even one night) after eviction without some influence. However, I don't think Roddy was that influence. It's more likely to be family members or friends saying, "You should see what Dani said about you."

Loralyceallen

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's what I've been thinking Spear. I'm sure that Amy's Mother had plenty to tell her.. even about Jason. Not that he did anything too awful, but just his association with Dani might be a sore spot for some of the other HGs. I know it would influence my vote if I were to vote.

Angelbleu

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy said she had watched 10 tapes

Cassie

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Amy had mentioned her feelings about Dani (as have all the other HG's except Lori, I think) LONG before Roddy talked to them or showed up on Amy's site. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if I soon get one of those emails that travel the internet, asking me to sign a petition to have the guy hung, drawn, and quartered. Sheesh!!!

Cmore

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope he has, she doesn't even deserve 50K

Monalisa

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am one who "believes," (it's my opinion based on things I have seen of him) that he is probably campaigning against Danielle. I had this opinion of him before Amy was evicted. I was in the chat when Amy said she had spoke to Marc and Josh, and had e-mailed Roddy. I don't remember her saying she had not heard back from him, perhaps I missed that, don't know, looked to me like they had some kind of contact. It was evident that he had corresponded with her friend Angela, sounded like that is who she is staying with. She had said that she didn't hold anything against Roddy (before he came in the room) and apologized to him when he was in the room. She figured out in the house that he played her, and it was also on the live feeds, I don't remember how much was on the shows though (keep getting confused as to what is on the show and what is on LF...lol). That girl has nothing to apologize to Roddy for. What changed her mind about him? So why does she forgive (and even apologize) to Roddy who played her and trash talked her, but she can't do the same for Dani? And I think she is still up in the air about Marc (which I don't blame her).

It's my opinion, based on his actions and behavior in the house that Roddy is a person who would actively campaign against a person who beat him in the game. I don't feel this way just because it is Danielle, I feel he would do this to any of the hg's who beat him. I also feel that Marc will campaign against her, depending on the day....lol.

I had begun liking Amy in her last couple of weeks, especially the last one. After that chat and what she said regarding Roddy, I've gone back to my original opinion of her. I can't believe she would fall for it all over again.

And here is one more prediction. I'm guessing we see Amy say that Roddy hasn't tried to influence her at all. I'm guessing that Roddy doesn't want people thinking he is back to his old tricks (since he is all about honesty and integrity...ROFL).

At least when Dani was campaigning against Roddy, he had equal access to those hg's. Danielle doesn't have access to evicted hg's. Will he blame some of his antics on Danielle, as he did with Chiara, Gerry, etc.? It may be interesting to see how he portrays all these hg's in a book...yes, I'm guessing there will be one.

Chyang

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's true Lucy, we are not privi to all the conversations between all evicted HGs, they're hampsters no more!
My sentiments are closer to Spear's also. Amy's family & friends have got to have been filling her in on Dani after her innocent announcement in the life show Thur. nite that she is still rooting for Dani to won!!
(Hopefully by now they had more time to explain to her about the Rodfather method, it was sad to see her gone mush just because RM showered her sweet nothings in her chat.)

We might never know if Rod is doing anything with a plan or even conciously, but if we observe what Josh may say in the coming days, it may provide clues. (Remembering what Josh said in the CBS Early Show.) But then again, we don't know what's been said to or by whom in the ex-HGs real lives any more! This is sort of an attempt to answer What's Qs.
If I may be allowed to another fun practice:

Lori= not a Dani vote;
Gerry= not a Dani vote;
Roddy= NOT a Dani vote;
Marc.= not a Dani vote;
Chiara= not a Daci vote;
Amy= not a Dani vote.

Tonya= probably not a Dani vote;
Eric= depends on if Lisa is in the finals;
Josh=???

What, I've read that you had other theories??

(This post was delated by the crumy dial-up I use, thoughts I had after reading up to Spear's 7:50am post, if it's out-dated by now, sorry!)

Carolm

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Roddy needs to influence any of the HGs.So many of them wanted Dani to win until they heard from family, friends,saw tapes,read posts. Dani is the one that Coordinating A Loser Campaign against herself. Dani has bashed everyone of these people. She went way over the line of game to personal mean nasty things.
If Lisa should get evicted tonight and her family tells her that Dani said she was going to scumbag lisa you can bet that Lisa will not want that woman to win. I don't like Roddy and I am glad that he didn't win but fair is fair.

Maryk

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't you think family members and friends already told her about the hypocritcal behavior and nastiness of Danielle. As for Amy, she probably went to her amycrews.com website immediately, what message was in the front page, an anti-Dani rant. The evicted houseguests have had contact personally, by phone, by e-mail with each even before Roddy was evicted. They probably already compared notes about Dani and Jason. Gerry changed his mind a few days after he walked out the door. Chiara did too. Marcellas was already about to choke Dani when he walked out the door.
My final answer is that even if he is campaigning, the others are already in the outside with family & friends and access to the tapes and they will arrive on their opinion of Dani on their own.

Wcv63

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe that Roddy and other evicted houseguests will use Dani as the scapegoat for all the trashtalking done in the house. This way that won't have to face the fact that they also participated in this behavior.

We can argue degrees of involvement till the cows come home but let's see how many of the houseguests have admitted to behaviors that were just as reprehensible. Marc? No. Roddy? No. Eric? No. Tonya? No. Chiara? No. Josh? Not sure but my guess would be no. Amy...yet to be seen but I think she will own up to her own bad behavior.

For the others their game was kind, honest and filled with integrity. At least by the accounts I've heard.

Cathie

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Roddy's influence would sway any votes. Dani has done that on her own.

But...if he does, so what? The game is still on folks. Until the jury votes and the winner is crowned they can still play the game. They were evicted from the house, not the game. If Roddy wants to try to charm the evicted HG and manipulate votes then he is still playing the game. I don't recall any others doing this in the past, but if BB has no rules against contact between evicted HG Roddy is within the rules of the game to try this if he chooses. It just reminds us the game doesn't end when you leave the house.

That said, I don't think this is a blatant attempt on Roddy's part to change the outcome of the game. I think he is just venting, maybe going on the offensive against his post-house verbal attack by Dani. BTW, I was never a Roddy supporter, but not a Roddy hater either.

Chyang

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Perhaps Roddy is not campagning but merely celebrating, or at least goating in the likelyhood that Dani is never going to get any more than $50,000 minus tax.

Seanflynn

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv -- you've hit the nail on the head.
Great post.
We know how Roddy is concerned about looking like the good guy; what he will never get is how in doing so he constantly makes himself look worse.

Onlyhuman

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv, Amy did own up to some of her bad behavior. She was actually one of the few who owned up to it willingly in the house!

In chat, someone asked her if her mother had scolded her for the things she said, and Amy said yes, but that she deserved it though. She also said she felt bad about the song she and Marcellas made up about Tonya.

The "everybody did it defense" is a problem for Danielle because very few people ever actually trashed Danielle. See, people are not reacting to Danielle saying mean things about the other HGs, they are upset that she said mean things about them. They all trusted and like Danielle and didn't say bad things about her. The fact that they get out and find out that she said things about them as people hurts a lot.

Wcv63

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Onlyhuman, I figured Amy would have the maturity and the ability to be honest with herself about her own actions. It's one of the many things I found endearing about Amy.

I understand that people have a tendancy to personalize hurt feelings and I am right with the others here on the board in saying that Dani will have some apologizing to do because of some of her actions in the house.

But in reading the exit interviews and any subsequent interviews that some of the evicted houseguests have given since being out of the house I see a tendancy to assert their superior moral integrity. To trash talk is one thing, to absolve oneself of that behavior by pretending it never happened is another. Additionally, to point fingers and say "but she did is so much worse" is just as much a self-delusion as Marc saying he played the game with kindness.

All of the above is my opinion only based on my own observations and perceptions. I tried my hardest not generalize by saying 'most' and 'some' but I may not have succeeded.

What555456

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What, I've read that you had other theories??

Yea I do. I think that Roddy is trying to campaign against Dani but I think it will fail. Here is why....

If I recall how the final show goes (and someone please correct me if I am wrong) each of the losers get to ask each of the Final 2 a question. Then each of the Final 2 get to make a statement. Then they vote.

Now, assuming Roddy is running a campaign against Dani, he undoubtedly is doing it on the basis that Dani cannot be trusted and has backstabbed everyone else and they should all be angry with her and against her.

Dani, however, is articulate, where Jason and Lisa are not. If Dani carries a basic theme through all of her answers and her final statement that Roddy is right, but explaining why she did what she did, she will change some minds and it will be too late for Roddy to do anything about it.

As of now, I see Dani as having two votes wrapped up. Josh's and either Lisa's or Jason's, whichever one leave. She only needs three more to win.

Where might she get these?

Gerry, for one. Gerry is a teacher of middle school aged kids and, if I recall, they are special ed kids. He therefore must have a soft spot in him for kids who are bullied and attacked. I can see him listening to all of the attacks against Dani and thinking she may be bad, but not THAT bad and decide to support her out of a sense of fairness, which I think Gerry has.

Chiara. Chiara is being made to look like a fool right now by Roddy. She has voiced inside and outside of the house her devotion to Roddy. Roddy, on the other hand, has made it very clear publicly that he feels no specific connection to Chiara. Chiara is an emotion driven woman -- needing male approval, but able to strike back when she has been scorned. Chiara also feels two ways about Dani -- she likes her and felt supported by her. But does not like what she has done. Chiara may likely decide to express her hurt with Roddy by crossing him in the final vote.

Marcellus. Marcellus has said he will not vote for Dani. And yet, Marcellus has also indicated a strong afinity with her as the only other Black on the show. Even when in the house, he told Dani it would be a good thing if a Black won. Further, Marcellus likes the drama he can create and also likes to see himself in a pivotal role. Would he enjoy thinking he was the King (or in this case Queen) maker? Yep, I think he would.

Amy. Amy is easily swayed by the last person she talks to and is also easily swayed when she thinks she has been wronged. If she continues to do her homework, she is going to see what Roddy did to her as well as what Dani did to her. Because Dani is the last one who she will hear before voting -- Roddy won't be able to talk to her after that -- and if Dani explains herself as having to do what she did to take care of Jason, Amy may decide to vote for Dani.

Tonya. She is upset with Dani but she is also a mother. I don't think she hates Dani though. And again, if Dani lays out her case strongly, Tonya could vote for the other mother on the show because she understands the pressure of children and providing for them.

Roddy. Yep, I think Roddy is a potential vote for Dani. He will not go into the final vote planning to, but if Dani hits on issues such as fairness and integrity, I think Roddy will be more concerned about his image that he is about revenge. He will not let himself look like a vengeful petty person, voting against a black mother of three children if Dani's final statements would make him seem to be petty if he does. I can see Roddy announcing that he may not like all she did, but he has to admire her skill and stategy -- and thus appear to be the big, understanding chivalrous male.

Eric. If Lisa is not in the final 2, I think Dani will get Eric's vote to please Lisa.

The only vote I see as certain aganst Dani is Lori's. That is because the only real experience she had in the House was her fight with Dani She will not forget it.

Now, my analysis may be wrong, of course. But I truly believe that if Dani is in the Final 2, she can get her other three votes based on how she answers the questions and on what she says in her final statement.

If she glosses over the negatives, she will lose. But if she speaks to them straightforwardly -- using her "it's just business" -- theory and talking about how much she admires and likes the others, I think this is hers to win.

Bailey

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't get over how much power some of Dani's supporters give Roddy! The hg's reached their own conclusions about Dani.. they didn't need his help to see how two faced that woman really is. I've gossiped in my life with the best of them, but I've never seen anyone as wicked as Danielle. To be her friend, you need to wear insulation on your back.. because her knife goes deep and she twists it.
Getting back to the original question.. is Roddy campaigning against Dani? No.. he doesn't need to. She worked too hard to get every vote she doesn't have now, she doesn't need Roddy's help.

Monalisa

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What, darn you, don't build my hopes up like that...lol. I wish you could send that to Dani.

Letmeinthere

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 09:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember the evicted HG's having a negative opinion of Dani long before Roddy even left the house. He couldn't have influenced them at that point. Amy said last night that she emailed Roddy but she hadn't spoken with him via email or phone. She already commented on her opinion of Dani before Roddy showed up.

If Roddy is running a negative campaign against Dani then I see nothing wrong with that. She ran a negative campaign against him. Roddy still is part of this game cause like the other evicted HG's he has to come back and vote. If he wasn't going to be part of the voting process then I would be against him voicing an opinion of her to other HG's that were voting. However, its not like that.