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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Archive FOUR: Reality News Article - Big Brother 3: Did the Best Player Win?: Archive through September 26, 2002

Serena

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kendalia, I agree completely. Danielle's candour in the diary room MADE the show for me. The 'Roddy/devil' thing was meant to be funny, an exaggerated expression of her desire to take down a strong player.

Lisa in the diary room? yawwwwwnnn.

As the article said, Tina on S2 worked behind the scenes, Danielle shared her strategy with the viewers. Even Danielle has been too hard on herself.

Wendo

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Part of the reason I've been reluctant to post in some of these opinion threads is because people who may believe Dani should have won are being told they have "sour grapes" when all they're doing is rehashing the game and its subsequent outcome. I would just like to ask that perhaps we let people express their opinions without just tossing them off as sour grapes when, in fact, many people are attempting to be courteous and make reasoned arguments.

When people express their opinion that the jury vote was a result of the jury's own sour grapes, that's allowed. It's game discussion. But to in turn call those with those opinions as having sour grapes is nothing more than personal.

Can't we have opposite and differeng opinions without people accusing those who feel the outcome wasn't right of being poor sports? I just don't see what's the big deal with people debating the ending without making personal digs?

Loppes

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I read that article, its interesting how the author uses the word "hypocrite" so quickly. There was a folder here last night with the same word in it. Some how me thinks the author of the article was a fan of Danielle, over here. :)
Lon

Foodbunny

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Can't we have opposite and differeng opinions without people accusing those who feel the outcome wasn't right of being poor sports?"

Sure, soon as we get a certain unnamed someone to stop telling people that their opinions are wrong and to wake up to the truth. The personal jabs are going both ways on this street.

Bmh

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Foodbunny..I said you all have your own decsions and that is fine and I respect you for it..please do not start a heated discussion when it is not necessary thanx

PS: And I would rather you type my user name directly instead of typing a certain someone..I will respect you more for it

Bmh

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh and another thing the way I post should have nothing to do with calling people sore losers for their opinions on why they think Dani was the best player..If you have a problem with me..you have a problem with me..dont include the other Dani Fans/Supporters in it

Yuhuru

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can we all agree that the writer was 100% right about Marcellus?!?!?!?!?!

Whew! That guy is/was something else. I'd take 50 Daniels to 1 of him!

Wcv63

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with this article. Bmh...that certain someone being referenced could have been me. I made a couple of jokes in other threads regarding how people who don't agree with me are "wrong" but I forgive them. I WAS joking but it could have been taken out of context.

Bmh

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh maybe Wcv..but it seems there is a conspiracy here..people are alwasy yelling at me or gettin mad at me here for something so I just automatically thought it was me

I still think Dani should have won!

Curlyq

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Honestly, I think those of us who are so disappointed with the jury's actions aren't necessarily angry that Lisa won (at least not all of us). My problem is the reasoning behind the votes. I didn't expect Danielle to win, but I certainly didn't think 9 people would vote for Lisa, giving no better reason than Lisa good...Danielle evil.

I don't want to be one of those who are claiming Roddy somehow rigged the vote, but it did come across as though they were giving Lisa the win just to punish Danielle for not playing the Roddy way (kiss up in the DR and maintain the illusion of integrity). That's what makes it disappointing to me. If they had something more to applaud about Lisa's actual game other than how well she did in the last HOH comp, I could've respected them all a little more for their choice.

The Super Bowl/World Series comparison doesn't work for me, because this was being decided on by a jury, not by points earned throughout the game. If this were the Super Bowl, the score would have been Danielle 60-Lisa 0, and a last minute touchdown wouldn't have given Lisa the win.

Woodpecke®

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 04:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This article was poorly written and obviously biased. The analysis we saw on this board each and every day was far superior than anything this hack had to offer. The last article I read from this site was equally ridiculous in its style and opinion. I can think of 5 or 6 Danielle fans on this board that could do a far better job. A pox on that article.

Wendo

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 05:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"I can think of 5 or 6 Danielle fans on this board that could do a far better job."

Ooh, ooh! Wood, does that include me!!!??? LOL!

maybe not...heh. :)

Woodpecke®

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 05:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Absolutely Wendo. I am gonna miss you too.

Wendo

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 05:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Right back at ya Wood. I really mean that.

Do you hang at other parts of the board?

Jaxrock

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 05:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said, Curlyq...I tried to understand the HG's reasoning too, and concluded that they were voting like a lot of people do in our elections - not so much for one person but rather against the other.

C1mag

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 06:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Man I could post over and over and over and I'd just be saying what so many others have posted. Not surprised by the outcome but how it played out was soooo pathetic it just sorta sat there flat with me.

I've been looking for articles all day about the outcome and yes there are many analysis of high praise for Lisa as a person, but very few that out right say she earned it. Instead, they basically ask the same question.... What happened? So if all of those trash talking hypocrites had made it to the finals along with Lisa they were gonna turn to the camera's and say, "here lisa you deserve it cause I was a big ol meanie either in my dr sessions or behind our beloved evicted house guests backs" Yeah right! They all would have praised their own efforts and as we saw from Marc, and Roddy we got our clearest deffinition of the dilusional player and how there definitely would have been a double standard if they had been sitting in the finals.

I've been disappointed in the outcome of shows before but for some reason this one has a real bitter taste for me. Especially the moment where Josh stood up and gave his key to Lisa as if he couldn't even believe it himself and then at the end we see him appologizing too Dani for doing it. The whole scene was pathetic.

There are no sour grapes over the actual winner. I personally don't think she deserved it but congrats to her. It was the hypocritical manner in which many cast their vote that just stuns me. The reporters are basically saying the same thing. The winner is a sweet girl no doubt, but the reasoning just doesn't make since. Many of us have been pointing that out all along. Had they all played a clean game I could understand it.

It's been fun!

Keiffer

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 06:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There are many ways to be a hypocit in this game. You could be by voting against a finalist because she called people names while you did the same thing while you were in the house. You could go around the whole game talking about trustworthiness, and giving your word, and never breaking your word, but in the 2-3 times you actually had to stand up to that you failed at it.

Seriously, Danny was never challenged in this game because she was never nomminated, never was HoH while there was enough people there to make rivals from it. So she never had to stand by her word but when she voted against Marcy in favor of Amy. And when she told Amy she would get Chiara voted out if she put up Roddy, and then 5 minutes later was doing the opposite.

Now I know that stuff can be called "playing the game", but it would not have been considered bad had she not made such a huge deal out having to trust people, and her keeping her word.

Marcy: for obvious reasons

Amy: for being friends with Marcy

Roddy: for being called the devil, and his closer
friend Lisa was a choice

Chiara: For having more in common with Lisa, and
because Danny blew it for her

Eric: Need I say

Tonya: for being tight with Lisa and
Chiara, and voting for her girl

That is six and enough to win.

The other four were probabaly a case of wanting to vote for the winner so they felt their vote counted.

No hyposcracy in those votes, they could easily be based on game playing because Danny did not play well in keeping those six from wanting another person besides her to win.

Kapow

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is just my two cents worth, but when the show got down to Amy, Jason, Dani, and Lisa, I had a discussion with a friend (fellow BB3 and other CBS reality shows watcher). We tracked the path of CBS reality show winners (AR, Survivor, BB) and decided that regardless Dani would not win as she is too similar to Vecepia. CBS seems to vary their winners to reflect a demographic "fairness". I think that is what happend here. While I personally preferred Lisa over Dani for the win, I think we sometimes fail to realize the impact CBS has in engineering the winner. It was "time" for a young single girl to win a CBS reality show. Just my personal theory.

Alaskagal

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have been reading the boards for awhile and keeping my mouth shut, but now I want to give my 2 cents. I am glad Lisa won. I had no problem with the way Danielle played the game and I think she played it well I had a problem with the way she back-stabbed her friends. Making fun of all the house guests that had been evicted like making fun of Amy who loved and supported her. She made a lot of rude comments about peoples personalities and characters that were not related to the game and that is where I started to dislike her. I would have loved to see her win if she would have kept to just playing and kept the nastys about everyone to herself. I don't recall Lisa taking alot of cheap shots like that and that is why I liked her. She may have flew under the radar, but she had few apologizes to make. If Danielle didn't think she had done something wrong, then why was she so afraid of everyone? She still went home with 50G's, more than she started with. And who says Lisa doesn't need the money, just because she doesn't have kids???

Okay my 2 cents turned into $2. this is why I don't post much

Llkoolaid

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wish people would stop calling Dani supporters sour grapes, sore losers and saying suck it up. Most of us are just trying to express why we feel she should have won. Most of us liked Lisa too. Why are we not entitled to express our feelings.
Let's just discuss why we feel what we feel without bashing each other or the hgs. Can that be done at all. I for one would like to see a few people be gracious winners.

Kapow

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
llkoolaid,
I thought this thread was simply discussing thoughts about who won - not anyone calling other posters out for "sour grapes", etc. Am hoping that you did not take my previous post as such. My only thinking is that CBS engineered the win, not any HG.....

Maris

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LL please do not take this negatively but I truly do have a questio since the whole dani supporter issue has come up. Why is there such an obsession by Dani supporters against Roddy. I have seen more posts blaming Roddy and I dont get it. I really dont.

So if any "Dani Supporter" can give me a rational explanation as to why they blame Roddy I would like to hear it. Why not blame Jason, Amy, Marcellas.

Kelly

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the best player did not win. He was sold out by Danni. She even lied to him in the end.
Kelly

Lilliegirl

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I COSIGN THAT Llkooaid, the article was right on who ever wrote it Dani was the best player, she worked her butt off to win and then they give it to the nice girl that didnt know she was in a game until Eric left what a shame.

Loppes

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 07:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kelly,
I'm with you 100%.
Lon