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Battlestar | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:03 am     Danielle has floated her own boat and she will sink her own boat. She will still win some money and more money then she would have earned in a 3 month period. The evicted HG are still part of the game and what happens outside the house is as much part of the game as what happens inside the house |
Bmh | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:07 am     I definitely think Rodddy as done something..I am sure alot of hg's came to their own conclsusions..but it is just too fishy..I mean dont you find it weird how Roddy contacts all evicted houseguests the day after they leave the house..and have a nice long chat with them..it is a little scary..I dont think he has full control but..he is working something..I believe he is trying to make sure Danielle does not even get one vote for her to win..He is a sly one The only votes I see for Danielle are possibly Lori,Josh,and Jason IF he isn't in the final 2 |
Secretsmile | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:08 am     I don't know if Roddy is running an anti-Dani campaign. I do know he's EVERYWHERE. For what reason is beyond me, but he appears to want continued publicity. That he's getting, so be it! LOL! IMHO, I did think it was poor taste for him to join Amy's chat, but no one else minded so why should I? |
Alegria | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:09 am     Letmein makes a good point, turnaround is fair play. BB3 has kept me hooked right until the end. There were a number of times when I thought certain outcomes would cause things to go slack but it has had plenty twists and outside the house action. What a show! |
Floresmama | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:10 am     I posted this message in another thread but it works well here to so I thought I would paste it: I am at a loss for words to explain how sad all this anger and anti-Danie campaigning makes me feel. It is too bad all or most of the evicted houseguests have to be such poor sports about losing. No one played the game harder than Danielle. They all got the same rule book as she did but yet they are actively campaigning to make sure she doesn't get the big money. Well if they knew Danie like we know Danie they would realize that she never(or doesn't now) expected to win the big prize. She will be perfectly happy to win the 50K. With that money she can have her dreams fulfulled and move into her dreamhouse with the loves of her life. If the other houseguests can't see past this game to the wonderful person that Danielle seemed to be it is there loss. They are after all at this point by definition LOSERS. |
Muse | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:11 am     Of course Roddy is campaigning to make sure that Danielle doesn't win. I mean, do you honestly think that he's *not* badmouthing Danielle to all of the other HGs? That he's not discussing the game? Please. But to be fair, I'm guessing that many other HGs are trying to influence voting as well. In the Josh/Eric chat, Eric mentioned several times that he was trying to convince Josh to change his vote (from Danielle to Lisa). He sort of referenced it jokingly (kind of a "Josh thinks he knows who he's voting for, but he doesn't really. Not yet," sort of thing), but I'm sure that Eric has tried to pursuade Josh to see his point of view. I don't think Roddy or anyone else would be able to convince all of the HGs to vote one way. But I do think there's several votes that *might* be swayed (Chiara, Amy - maybe a couple of others) a certain way. Roddy is a smooth talker, and people who don't have really strong opinions (Chiara was disappointed in both Lisa and Danielle, for example) and who are easily manipulated (I don't think Chiara and Amy are stupid, but let's face it - they allowed others to control them at times while in the house) could allow his input to weigh heavily on their decision-making process. And right now, a few votes could mean the game. Hard to say. |
Kappy | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:14 am     "I do know he's EVERYWHERE. For what reason is beyond me, but he appears to want continued publicity." He'll be announcing his candidacy for office during the final show. Oops ~ I have NO PROOF. |
Onlyhuman | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:17 am     Wcv, I think the one you are specifically referring is Marcellas, who lives in a land of such great delusion that none of us mere mortals will ever visit there, nor do we wish to. He has no defense and I won't defend him except to say that I think he has a valid reason for feeling betrayed by Danielle, though it is a game and he needs to get over it. That said, I think Danielle counted on Marcellas being madder at Jason for doing the actual eviction than at her for voting for him, but Marcellas never felt he had an agreement with Jason, but he thought he had one with Danielle. Oh well, he knows better now! As for Roddy, he's still a manipulator who believes he is the most ethical man to ever play this game, but he does have a valid point in not wanting to let the person win who called him "the devil" and "evil" over and over. It was a poor choice on Danielle's part and it's going to cost her his vote. Roddy, on the other hand, is never going to admit that he was wrong in torturing Amy, so he's not a very nice person and does not have a leg to stand on in the morality department. In terms of Lori, Gerry, Josh, Chiara, Eric, and Tonya, I haven't really seen things from them about feeling like they were ethical or indicating some other kind of moral superiority complex. I just think they don't like the things Danielle has said about them, particularly Gerry & Tonya, who are certainly entitled. I could be wrong, but that's the way I see it. The fact that Josh is now being praised by some for realizing that this is only a game is not that big of a surprise. First of all, Josh tried to play it like it was a game, but the others wanted a "morality play". Second, Danielle and Josh never really had a personal relationship, it was business. So Josh should have no problem keeping it "just business". You know, I typed all of this, but I have no idea the point I'm trying to make. I guess, ultimately, the reason that some of the HGs have spouted talk about "ethics" and "morals" is because at some point early on, people stopped talking about strategy and started talking about "good people". Almost every decision, right or wrong, was based on some kind of moral/ethical statement that just happened to play into the strategy of Danielle and Jason. Danielle was one of the strongest preachers of seeing a "good" person win and now her strategy appears to be coming back to bite her on the behind! |
What555456 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:27 am     Bailey I don't think Roddy has any hold over the other losers. But he does have influence. His influence comes from his ability to choose very selective facts and to wind them together into a coherent and logical story, reaching am apparently logical conclusion. This is not a bad thing, indeed it is a very good skill in many situations. It is one I use myself, in fact, when the situation calls for it. Let me explain how it works. You start by getting acceptance of a premise that you know the other person will accept. Say the premise is...it is unethical to talk behind someone's back and attack them personally. The person agrees. You then move to the personal side. Lay out the premise with the one you are talking to that he, himself, is an ethical person. He may slip at times; but deep down he is a good, ethical person. The person you are talking to agrees, of course. You then begin to give examples of how someone else has acted unethically -- you only need to give a few and they don't have to be all that accurate, but they should have a ring of truth to them, even if they are not the total truth. They shoud also be readily apparent. If you are really good at this, they should be actions that were aimed at the person you are talking to. You get them to agree they (a good person) was unfairly victimized (we all like to be victims) by someone else -- who therefore obviously is not an ethical person. At this point, you have them defensive and angry with the other person, while feeling good about themselves. They feel like they have been victimized. Now, most fair minded people at this point, want to give the "attacker" some credit. So they will say..."yea, he did that bad thing, but he also did this good thing." You agree they have some good qualities, but you start adding on more examples of the attacks, more aimed at that person and some aimed at others. You ask -- how can a truly good person like you, having been attacked by this other person, support that person with all they have done. Then you sound fair. "Now, I am not saying this other person is totally evil. He has a good side. But look at all he did -- and not just to you, but to others as well." And you take it from there. The final thing one does in this process is to get the person to agree that they should do something, because it is now apparent to them it is the only logical thing to do. This is a standard debating technique. Politicians use it all the time. Start with premises all agree with, build on them logically with carefully selected facts and discounting any fact that does not agree with the argument you are making. One only need look at how Bush is debating the Iraqi War situation to see this very same process being used. This is, basically, how Roddy gets his influence with people. He is smart and he thinks fast on his feet. The others are not as logical as him nor do they think as quickly. So, they walk away having agreed with him, but feeling something is missing -- just not sure what. Then he continues to bring this conversation back up -- perioidically -- to remind the person that they are good, they are ethical and....they made a promise. The implication is....if you break your promise to me (even though I know it was based on a one-sided analysis) you are just as bad as the horrible person we were discussing. This can be a very rough thing for someone to ignore, as we have seen in the house. And when it is played on people like Amy, Lisa and some of the others, it can be very effective. So, no, he does not have some sort of mystical power over the other losers. But he does have a skill to influence them by backing them into a corner without them realizing he has done it. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:29 am     Only...I understand what you are saying and I feel that only Gerry and Lori have never bashed. The others are all guilty of reprehensible statements and actions within the game. Each and every one of them (except Lori and Gerry of course). Dani was not one of the "good people" alliance. That was the six pack and Lisa is the one that uttered that phrase. My only point is that none of their hands are clean and yet so far Amy is the only one to be mature enough to admit that. |
Battlestar | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:32 am     Danielle would have lost the $500,000 without anything anybody says about her outside the house as Shannon would say "TOO BAD SO SAD" |
Cmore | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:32 am     "If the other houseguests can't see past this game to the wonderful person that Danielle seemed to be it is there loss. They are after all at this point by definition LOSERS." Wondeful person??? Hahaha, Sorry I just have to laugh at that. Just keep in mind, that second place amouts to nothing more than FIRST LOSER, with 50k. |
Monalisa | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:40 am     What, my goodness, you had me there watching it. I was the fly on the wall seeing the conversations...lol. Thank you for spelling it out. I knew how he worked but I never could have put it as well as you did. |
Cindyluvsroddy | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:42 am     Roddy did not join in alot of those bashing of other HG's sessions they had .. please!! he wasnt perfect - no doubt everyone is guilty of saying something about someone else ... some were mad or angry at someone etc... Dani and Marcy were are out-of-control with their mouths!! to justify Dani's behavior and say that all the HG's said at least one remark about another - so that now means that Dani isnt any worse is complete and utter BS! Dani has loose lips - and those lips will cost her $450,000 ... a GREAT player will play to the jury as the game goes on ... |
Gentoo | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:42 am     What does it matter if anybody campaigns against Danielle? She can't win anyway. She's the weak link in there and nobody will give her the game over either Lisa or Jason. Lisa has too many of the sex packers supporting her (remember them?). Jason is just mr-nice-guy and will probably get the "oh what a nice fellow" votes. What Dani got from this game is a well developed character. She may be the best candidate in this years cast for tv commercials. |
Onlyhuman | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:42 am     Wcv, I know that Danielle was never in the "good" people alliance, but she had many talks with everyone about wanting to see a "good person" win. She and Jason had that talk again a few days before Amy's eviction. Lisa was a better person and deserved it more than Amy. Of course, they had an alliance with Lisa, but that's because she is a "good" person. In terms of behavior within the house, I think they have all been bad at different times to different people. I said a long time ago in the apology thread that each person probably owed an apology to someone else. I also expected that Amy would be the only one to make those apologies. It's human nature to focus on how YOU have been hurt, not on how you have hurt others. |
Csnog | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:19 am     I found it interesting the Roddy appeared at Amy's chat. Do you think he was reading this site and when it was posted about Amy being in chat, that he then went there? He showed up fairly soon after she was at her web site. Josh stated on the Early Show last week that he wanted Dannie to win and he has spoken to Roddy so thats one vote. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:26 am     Onlyhuman: "It's human nature to focus on how YOU have been hurt, not on how you have hurt others." Wonderful point. I agree with you completely. Human nature sure is selective in the memory sensory department! |
Hawaiiandew | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:40 am     The title of this thread cracks me up! I can just see Roddy using it later on in his political life: "I was the spearhead of the successful Loser's Campaign-- when you want things done by a Loser vote Richard Mancuso" |
Efilon | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 12:06 pm     Wcv63 - "My only point is that none of their hands are clean and yet so far Amy is the only one to be mature enough to admit that." I have to wonder whether Danielle will be mature enough to admit that the things she has said and done were spiteful. Somehow I think she will be amazed that anyone would be upset by what she has done. Last night she was talking to Lisa and I can't remember what they were talking about but she was telling Lisa how she (Dani) could never be that way because she (D again) is just too nice. It really made me laugh. I'm sure Dani can be nice but if I were around her, now that I've seen what she does when people are not right next to her, I don't know if I could trust that she truly was being kind or just waiting for me to step out of the room so she could make fun of me. She's done a good job of getting to the final two, but I don't know that she has done a good job as far as the end of the game goes. JMO |
Wrat1010 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 12:17 pm     Onlyhuman: excellent analysis! in your Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 10:17 am posting. I just want to add that, while Jason was probably a catalyst, it was Danielle and RODDY and MARCELLAS who were the ones who turned the game into a morality play, both inside and outside the house. It seems to me that Danielle's original strategy was to keep things "just business" and "nothing personal" but now she has completely changed her gameplan, to her detriment. Her biggest mistake was being manipulated into being the protective mother figure for the guy who is playing the "super-naive fragile Messiah" role to the hilt. |
Chyang | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 12:21 pm     Csnog, I thought about that, too, until I read that the owners of Amy's and Roddy's sites know each other(Are they Willow & Deema?). I even thought that Rodfather was also trying to confuse our view when he just walked right in on Amy's chat and stayed and talked too much! But I was wrong, Rod might even have been invited by Amy's email in the first place. I have no objection if Rod tries to influence ex-HGs. I am not rooting for anyone, good luck to them all, just feel bad that Rod is still spewing his brand of philosophy, Amy bent again, Marc is not sorry about his treatment to Amy but claimed to have played the game with kindness, Dan is not aware of the direction of the wind, Lisa's awful words about Gerry(If I were Gerry I could never forgive her, that would be the only logical moment for him to give Dani a vote, What.), Kiki's excuse for her "openness"(that she was never considered loud in NYC!).... one more, sad that Lori didn't get to play the game much. People usually gossip for personal reasons, I'm here to gossip about Hgs so I could show you my unique thoughts, gain approval and be proud that I could express myself in English. My teenagers gossip also to get a tighter bound with peers or feel better about themselves. The HGs are no different, especially since there was the game factor and the Borden. (It is very big of AMy to express how sorry she was of her own conduct, Wcv is right. But the rest of them might never see the need and always believe that it was part of the game. /b{What}, thank you very much for sharing your theory, I read about mentioning of your thoughts but never had the time to hunt it down, I appreciate it! I'm not going to do a point by point with you here, just want to remind you that HGs are just like us, their emotions are going to play giant parts in their end vote. They are not going to care which of the finalists played the best game and so on, they only want to make the person they want to, a better life. |
Earthmother | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 12:22 pm     The made him do it !!!!lol |
Jeeny98 | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 12:42 pm     Roddy is playing an evil game still. I'm sorry, he is MUCH worse than Dani could ever be. Roddy manipulates by using other's weaknesses and emotions, in and out of the house. You can't fake that all this time. Roddy will never admit to his scheming. At least Dani did and does. She's lied, and admitted it. Of course she's not going to admit it to the others in the game, but she did with Jason. Because her loyalty was to him from the very beginning. A very noble thing. She put herself on the line for him, many times. More than any one, especially Roddy, would have done. If her pick to be loyal to was Amy, she would have done the same thing. Roddy used everyone and anyone, without feeling bad about it, nor can he admit his faults. He thinks he is perfect, and if others do not think the same they are fools. He is SO upset that he isn't as smart as he thinks. People have that inner voice that tells them this person is giving them a load of bull-crap. Look up the book "Influence" Roddy has used those techniques that cult leaders, church elders, and politicians use. That was low. He is jealous that Dani has outplayed him. And is STILL playing a the game outside the house to the evicted house guest. Using his charm and "reasoning" it's a bunch of crap. DO NOT LISTEN to Roddy. He cannot be trusted. Roddy did not stick to any of his alliances, any one who was on his "team" was voted out, because of HIM. Dani's partner is still there. Proving she's played the game the best. Sure, I don't agree with the trash talking she's done. But, understand it does play on emotion many times, and it's easier to talk bad about people so you will not be emotional swayed and taken out of the game because you grow too attached to someone. Dani kept a lid on her feelings, the good feelings to those last few in the house. She did what she had to do IN the game, and I'm sure she'll make it up to Amy, Marci and Lisa. Because she cares. The only think Roddy cares about is his EGO. And he's the educated one, the one who had privilege and many advantages in his life. Dani didn't. Neither did Amy. DANI deserves to win because she played the game the best. She doesn't deserve to lose because she lied, or talked bad about anyone. EVERYONE talked bad about someone or the other. |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 12:51 pm     getting moved to outside the house area soon |
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