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What555456

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone really think that Lisa KNEW it would be she and Danielle at the end?

Or that she KNEW everything that was happening in the house the entire time?

Or that she had a strategy from the very beginning?

Or does she realize she got here on the coat tails of Danielle and Jason and is now trying to rationalize that she deserves to be there because of her superior game playing skills -- maybe because she is afraid the losers who vote will realize her being there is more fluke than skill?

Earthmother

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If I wrote a book on what Lisa knows, I could sell a million copies only using one ream of paper!!!

Gina8642

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it definitely comes off as a bit odd. If I was her I would keep my mouth shut about stuff like that. It makes her look arrogant and/or kooky. Either way, it's not good.

She's done a VERY admirable job of keeping her mouth shut so far, she should try a little longer.

Remember Will last year? He didn't say a word about his true feelings/strategy to Nicole until about an hour before the final show (AFTER ALL THE VOTES WERE CAST).

Woodpecke®

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Or does she realize she got here on the coat tails of Danielle and Jason and is now trying to rationalize that she deserves to be there because of her superior game playing skills." What555456.


This statement can be dismissed easily and swiftly. Superior game playing skills include WINNING. $500,000 is the object. Danielle and Jason tried to win this game employing a strategy they deemed foolproof. It failed. Lisa won because she made no enemies and aligned with 2 players then beat them at their own game. She won because she EARNED it. "Deserves" is a lame word and proves nothing. It was 2 against 1 at the end. The 1 prevailed. The People's choice is Lisa in a cakewalk. Lisa Rules Big Brother 3. Get used to it now.

Hermione69

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't really get how she knew it would be her and Dani, or that she knew what was happening in the house the whole time, or even that she had a strategy from the beginning... but I also don't think she rode the coattails and I believe that she is deserving of her position. She aligned with Jason and Dani. It's not just that they adopted her. She could have tried other alliances, knowing she was third wheel, but she stayed with them. That paid off for her when it could have gone another way. She voted Eric not to come back in because she knew he would get in the way of keeping her eye on the prize. And she kept doing her thing and it got her exactly where she wanted to be. She was never a target. Jason and Dani would have been nominated in a heartbeat if the wrong person had gotten HoH at one of those pivotal times after the halfway point of the game. She stayed quiet and behind the scenes and kept herself quietly aligned with Dani and Jason. She was determined to win the final HoH because she knew she would be out if she didn't. And she won it. So I totally think she deserves to be there. So does Danielle. So would Jason have, had he won HoH. I liked Amy, but she is the only one of the final four that I really felt did not have any strategy for the game. So I don't really understand the arguments that Lisa is not deserving. MHO, of course!

Monalisa

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is exactly what I have been saying. Lisa told Dani that she played the better game (dani). Lisa also said Roddy will vote for the best game player. I think she finally put it together and is now saying that she knew all of it just to get that "best game player" vote.

She says now that she knew of the alliance in week 3, she figured it out in the dr....that has just happened in the last week or so. I don't think she actually "knew" it until in the pool Thursday night. She did have some suspicions in the last week or so.

This is a girl who didn't know what a pedophile was, or how to spell picture. I doubt she is smart enough to have figured out everything.

She is now pandering to the jury. This may cost her some votes though.

Funny how tides turn. Dani is now being honest, and Lisa is now lying (or has she been backstabbing all along....hmmmm).

Ashfett

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
For the past week Lisa had said more then once she had a very good feeling that she would win the final HOH, and felt more and more confidant. Obviously if she had lost it there would be a ton of jokes/remarks we could make. But she was right. Now she says she knew it would be her and Dani at the end... instinct? A master plan? Arrogance? Maybe, but it's impossible to say she was wrong, because well... look at where she is!

Punkin

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I realize this is grasping at straws, but do ya'll recall when Chiara was playing with the tarot cards she got in her HoH basket? Lisa was saying how much Chiara was disrespectful of the cards, how she was not reading them correctly, etc...because she has studied them a lot. Maybe she read her own tarot cards (or had someone else do it) and "foresaw" that she would be winning that final HoH. She seemd to put great stock in Destiny and that sort of thing.

Phillymom

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ashfett, Lisa said BEFORE SHE WALKED INTO THE BB HOUSE she KNEW it would be her and Dani at the end. She's been saying a lot of other strange things, too. The girl is sounding completely whacky. I like her, but she was much better when she kept her mouth shut. All of a sudden she's an all-knowing psychic. I liked her before she started this goofiness, now I don't know what the heck to think.

Monalisa

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Believing she would be in the final 2 is one thing. They probably all believed they had a shot at it or else they wouldn't have done it. BUT, she is saying she knew about the alliances, the promises, EVERYTHING! I think it is playing to the jurors who may vote for the best game player. If it was all "pre-determined" that does nothing for those jurors.

What555456

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So, are you saying Punkin that you think Lisa is a practitioner of the black arts -- the occult?

Hmmmm....

Twiggyish

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mona, I don't think Lisa is less intelligent. She's not as educated as Danielle.
Punkin, I think that is exactly what Lisa meant. She's into psychic readings and Tarot. Perhaps, she is referring to a premonition.

What..LOL You're funny. Danielle may have aligned with someone of another belief system.

On a side note, there are many people who believe in psychics, etc.. who don't practice the occult. I know it can spark a religious debate here.

Phillymom

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Punkin, it's not grasping at straws. I think Lisa really does believe in the Tarot cards. But my question is, if she knew all of this ahead of time, why did she wait until AFTER THE FACT (after it all happened) to say she knew what would happen? It's so easy to say afterword, "I knew what was going to happen."

Mona, maybe it is some kind of strategy on Lisa's part to make the others think she knew everything that was going on in the game and that she was a real game-player. The problem with that strategy is that all the evicted HGs are gonna see the DR tapes and know how confused she was all the time. So if it's a strategy, it's not a very good one.

Monalisa

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Twiggy, a premonition did not tell her about Dani and Jason's alliance. She said she figured it out in week 3.

Now, as for the premonition, psychic ability or whatever told her that she and Dani would be the final 2 (before she came in the house), why did she not align herself with Dani on the first day?

Somebody clear something up for me. Did Dani approach Lisa, or did Lisa approach Dani? I was thinking that Dani approached Lisa, but so many are making it sound the opposite.

Momiee43

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to say I do believe she had a good idea how things were going in the game, if you think about it she was always very quite, hung back and watched people. We all saw in the 1st HOH how she caught on to Josh and Gerry. She told Dani last night after seeing her and Gerry talking out side the HOH room she got down on the floor to try and listen, but couldn't hear anything at that point she figured Dani and Gerry were together. She kept her eyes open and her mouth closed way befor Dani said anything to her about the game. I think she has stayed under the radar and I think it didn't just happen she worked it and knew things. WE have no idea what all she has said in the DR, because CBS only wants whats good for the show. Who knows for sure what she knew and when. But I bet it's more then anyone thinks.

Twiggyish

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mona, I didn't say she was logical..LOL

Monalisa

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Momie, it was clear from dr and events in the house as to when she started "suspecting" the alliance of 2 between Jason and Dani. It was after the Marc vote. That is when she started questioning anything. Why it took her that long, I'll never know. But then she asked Dani about it in the pool, Dani was evasive, and that told Lisa her suspicions were true. That is what Lisa said in DR. That all makes sense. But, when she says she figured it out in week 3...nothing makes sense.

She told Dani that Roddy said he was going to vote for the best game player. After that is when she knew everything that went on in the house. Dani tells what she did, Lisa says "I knew that." I think she is just trying to the "best game player" vote.

Wcv63

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
For the first 4 weeks Lisa was totally unaware of anything happening in that house unless Eric was the subject matter. She was not strategic. She did not game play. Her BB world revolved around Eric and her various illnesses that kept her confined to the bed.

So anything she says now to the contrary is revisionist history.

Gidget

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OK this really belongs in the conspiracy thread.

Lisa works in LA. Lisa was hand picked. When Lisa talked about "knowing" last night we had FOTH.

Lisa made a deal with a friend at bb who used the diary room to help her along in the game. But she'd better shut up if this is true.

Punkin

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL...maybe she just "foresaw" herself being in the final two...but did not foresee how to get there!

Victoriafla

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I Love Lisa!!I want her to win!I wonder if she can tell us who gets the 500gs.

Phillymom

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Wcv. Lisa is now saying that she knew in the 3rd week that Dani and Jason had an alliance. We all watched the tapes, and probably most of us the live feeds, and saw with our own eyes that she had no clue until after Marcellas was evicted about the alliance between Dani and Jason -- and even then she wasn't certain if they had a deal or not!! I'm not sure what game she's playing, but it's a little late to start strategizing, LOL.

Reeniehere

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Lisa is being dishonest or wacky. Lisa has stated she's a visual person and her love of photography reinforces that. That suggests she is a right-brain dominate person which means she is more intuitive and creative than left-brain dominate people, but less verbal and analytical.

Right-brain dominate individuals often aren't as articulate as left-brained, so they tend to be quieter and more reserved because they don't express themselves as well. Some people may mistake this to mean they're not as bright as others, but it's just a different type of intelligence.

Often right-brained people can "know" more and quicker through intuition than people with higher I.Q.'s who have to analyze the situation. They just may not know how they know what they know. They often have intuitive dreams or guesses that turn out to be accurate and are more likely to get accurate answers from tools like Tarot cards because their subconscious is more accessable.

I think it is easy for us left-brained people to underestimate her. I think if she wouldn't have had the additional stress in the beginning of a broken toe and a painful insect bite that set her up to be nurtured by Eric, she'd have been in game mode sooner. Once she started playing, her decision about voting Eric to stay out--whether it was a deciding vote or not--and some of her other decisions, her 4 hours+ in the raft and her perceptions about the others in the final round earned her the right to be considered a good gameplayer.

As far as her trustworthiness, I think she's as trustworty as any of the others and as trustworthy as she should be, BECAUSE THIS IS A GAME.

Caddoh

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
'Can't remember her exact words, but Lisa told us that she was going to retaliate, for her friends being voted out of the house, when Eric was voted out. I think that the whole time she stayed under the radar she was studying people, and remembering their actions and reactions. She simply didn't get emotional, about things which really didn't matter, in the playing of the game.
She deserves to win, in my humble opinion, of course.

Jagger

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't beleive Lisa had a clue about Danni and Jason until it got down to the Eric/Lisa vote, that is when I think Lisa was aware that danni was alligned with Mars and Jason, but she didn't know to what extent.

Her saying she knew all along it was going to come down to her and Danni makes me wonder if she had a little inside help, especially when she wouldn't explain how she knew and that she wanted to wait until after the show was over to tell Danni about it.