Archive through September 19, 2002
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HG-DEBATE: My OPINION of Danielle:
Archive through September 19, 2002
Moderator | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:10 pm     Actually, I've been here for awhile now. You cant have a debate if everyone agrees. This thread is for positive and negative opinions. It is barely moderated. We suggest that people who are uncomfortable with heated debate stay out of these threads. We also have little interest in being referees in spats between veteran brawlers. Keep the vile, bile, bash and mash in these threads. If you take it to the other parts of the board we will react harshly. (DH) |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:18 pm     Denecee - "If you are against Dani, you are against Jason. So it is written, so it is law." But, but, but......I LIKE Jason! Come arrest me...I broke the law!!! I just don't agree with all the things and people he has faith in....(religion and choice of BB friends)...but I do like the way he has not resorted to hatefulness. I just can't think of Jason in the same vein that I see Dani. Allies are often very different from one another....but their alliance is a power unto itself that is directed towards accomplishing a common goal. ...it isn't a declaration that they are alike. JMO |
Monalisa | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:18 pm     Just wondering what a harsh reaction might be. For a Dani supporter....will you call us SUGAHHHHH. For anti Dani....you could put on a robe and kick up your leg. JUST JOKING. I think we need a little levity. |
Loppes | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:22 pm     Moderator, Thanks a lot, and very well said. I'm moving my rating for Moderators to A++. Denecee, Now which law exactly is that? I like Jason, and I I've already expressed my view on "that woman". I think its more like David and Goliath, with Jason being the David. Lon |
C1mag | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:26 pm     Hey Wendo!! You go gettem!! I just arrived and it's lookin heated but thats the cool thing about this board... I agree as usual with everything you are saying.. Sanfran..:"Suck it up and deal" ... Words to live by!! "Many of us would not be sharing our anti-Dani feelings over and over if we weren't being ASKED to defend them over and over.".. Well thats an insult to anyones intelligents. This thread proves that point mute. Did some Dani fan create this thread? If you ask me why, I will just give the same reasons as I have given before about why I feel that way...unless of course, she adds to her repertoire and gives me brand NEW reasons to not like her. ... Yes you do that but then take the time to tell that poster how wrong they have structured their question towards your post if it is not one of grand praise for your thoughts. It's quite condescending as your current post appears to this viewer. Too suggest to a viewer that if they would just accept your point of view as gospel and not ask questions is pretty much suggesting to the potential poster to move on. As I said that's both insulting and condescending. However, it would be great to apply your own words to yourself if someone does reply to you..."Just Suck It Up" This poster will always ask of someone ( including yourself) to explain why they came to the conclusion that Dani is negative when they post it. If it is over a remark that she has made then I want to know when and where and how come she made that comment. If the examples given are over played or taken out of context then the debate will begin. Not about her words, but about how it was taken out of context. "then please don't blame us for replying"... Likewise I'm sure! |
Hermione69 | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:26 pm     Heated debates make me very uncomfortable because I always lose. Maybe I should leave! LOL! It's almost time for Survivor anyway..... if any of you guys think I am wimpy about the BB3 HGs, you've never seen me defend my Survivor favorite. I got pretty passionate about Sean last season! Be nice, play fair... or not since the powers that be say that's okay too! Bye! |
Wcv63 | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:27 pm     Well SanFran...at least you got it half right!! |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:35 pm     C1mag....thanks for supporting my position. I get the impression that you see things differently than I do. (duh) Suck it up and deal with the fact that I do not agree with your assessment of Danielle. Your circular "logic" and avoidance of the points I have made will not change what I have seen with my own eyes. Also, this thread is nowhere near "mute" at all. It is, in fact, one of the LOUDEST threads on the entire board! LOL |
Wendo | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:38 pm     Loppes, No, I was not baiting you. I gave an opinion to your post. I was disagreeing with the assumptions you were making about my comments. Your last post was addressed specifially to me, I commented back. If you're done with me, fine. Although, I certainly like the debate with you and your comments. We don't have to agree. C1mag, good points. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:39 pm     "Too suggest to a viewer that if they would just accept your point of view as gospel and not ask questions is pretty much suggesting to the potential poster to move on." ROTFLMAO! What board are you reading? It sure isn't the one I'm posting on! LOL |
C1mag | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:43 pm     You point was mute in suggesting that if her supporters did not respond then there would be not be as many negative responses about Dani. However, you knew this but there again is that desire to be condescending once again... I have dealt with the fact that we disagree on Dani and have tried several times to bring you back on topic but it has been your avoidance and desire to critique and ridicule my reponses that have set us back in debate. Your current response to me once again proves this. I'm surprised you consider someones response to your feelings on Dani to be a goal to change your mind. I as a poster will tell you that is not my goal. I respect your right to form your opinion of her however, will continue to question why you arrived at that negativity. It's part of the debate. |
Itsallgood | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:44 pm     Well said Moderator, I applaud you! :-) |
Richardfan | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:46 pm     Wvc: I wasn't really thinking majority vs minority when I posted "now you know what it feels like". Actually you put it quite well when you referenced posters (not neccessarily the majority) that are "vehemently vocal in their disapproval". I'm saying, being a Roddy fan, that I read all the anti-Roddy posts and now they are directed towards Danielle. Take the actual HG out of the equation and what happened to Roddy is now happening to Danielle. IMO, of course. I think we're all masochists that we continually read posts against our favorites (practicing w/out a license, I know). But, that's why I enjoy reading everything, pro and con. BTW, I still don't like Danielle <off to the bar to watch Survivor! Who's in?> |
Bigbrotherbelle | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:49 pm     la la la la la moot la la la la la |
C1mag | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:50 pm     SanFran do you have a problem with criticism? You delve it out in bucket loads but when someone throws some points your way it quickly becomes a double standard.... It needs to be pointed out that above you generated this off topic subject. I took the time to respond to your comments. If you do not care for my comments then perhaps you should not have changed the subject. You obviously may not like it but you have proven my point and I thank you for that. JMHO You did indeed suggest that if Danis supporters would not ask of you why you fealt negativity towards her then there might not be as many negative responses about Dani. Now isn't that suggesting to the potential poster that if they would not reply then the subject would die? Too this poster it clearly says that. Your response to me was not one of apology as a viwer offended but rather to jeer in a condescending fashion. I have no doubt you understood what I meant but because it was not a statement of support on your comments the quick response was to be condescending. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:57 pm     "You point was mute in suggesting that if her supporters did not respond then there would be not be as many negative responses about Dani. However, you knew this but there again is that desire to be condescending once again..." My point was not "mute". Look it up. It wasn't even "moot". Yes that was a condescending remark that I just made. "I'm surprised you consider someones response to your feelings on Dani to be a goal to change your mind." When you ask me to defend why I consider Dani calling Roddy an "MF-ing Roostersucker" (while also saying she wants to spit on him) to be UNjustified, then I can only deduce that you disagree that I am entitled to my opinion that "I find her remarks UNjustified". Why must you try to convince me that it IS justified? I never asked you why you thought it was justified. I simply stated that IMHO it was NOT....yet you keep restating your reasons for why it WAS justified....sounds to me like if you say it enough, you think I may convinced that are correct. Ain't gonna happen. I GET it...I understand your thoughts on that hateful Dani moment. I totally disagree with them, but I understand them. |
Lancecrossfire | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 04:59 pm     Ok, we are headed away from the issue of opinions about Dani. It's bound to happen once in awhile, so the hope it it happens and ends quickly. It seems thsi round is starting to drag out just a bit more than "ending quickly". So, any more thoughts about Dani and the way she has played the game up to this point? Oh, and lets skip the issues about positive vs. negative posts for all the various HGs. It happens in every case, and has nothing to do with if any HG is playing the game "well" or not. |
C1mag | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 05:01 pm     There ya go... You are too busy thinking someone is trying to transform you. Enjoy the debate but avoid the critique in presentation and thank you for understanding that. I admire that response. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 05:10 pm     "You did indeed suggest that if Danis supporters would not ask of you why you fealt negativity towards her then there might not be as many negative responses about Dani. Now isn't that suggesting to the potential poster that if they would not reply then the subject would die?" Maybe it is.....but you said "Too suggest to a viewer that if they would just accept your point of view as gospel and not ask questions is pretty much suggesting to the potential poster to move on." I did not say that my point of view was "gospel" and that viewers that disagreed should "move along". Way to ratchet up the rhetoric and put words in my mouth! I suggested that to those who complain that there a lot anti-Dani sentiments posted over and over...to understand why. I never said that they should just accept my opinion as gospel....but if posters ask for a defense of opinions over and over (like you do) while at the same time ignoring the defense of those opinions when given (like you do)....that explains why some of us have to repeat ourselves....which in turn explains why some of us post so much on the same concept. PLEASE go back and read very CAREFULLY what I have posted....you are inferring things that I never implied. LOL |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 05:20 pm     Lancecrossfire - I agree...this is way out of hand. I had not read your post when I made my last one. I was not ignoring you....I just took too long to compose what I was trtying to get across and missed your post entirely. I apologize for inadvertantly keeping this going past the point where it should be. On topic...I just can't help myself that Dani started out positive in my estimation but gradually wore me down until I could not longer support her. I prefer *liking* folks to *disliking* them....but I just can't find it in me to respect Dani's non game playing behavior anymore. Her strategy has been great....and I would still be cheering her on like crazy had she not undermined my respect for her a member of the social hierarchy known as the BB house. JMO |
C1mag | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 05:38 pm     Here's the real funny part...You just can't take criticism at all SanFran. It is apparent. I probably would not keep asking you why you feel a certain way about Dani if you would stay on topic. I feel as if I'm constantly having to read through a novel of condescending remarks before you half heartedly give a response. When I ask where the conversation took place you aknowledge it but then tell me in advance we have seen that moment wrong. It's her words in general that offend you. In other words you tell me in advance how you think I'm going to respond again being quite condescending. I probably get so bored with your condescending remarks I miss any solid answer and that is why I continue to ask the same question. Too this viewer you clearly implied that if no one would ask why you arrived at your negativity then the negative remarks would possibly cease. Thats exactly how I continue to read it. I've already shared that with you. Instead of telling me to go back to your posts perhaps I can suggest to you to avoid such comments. As I said you just can't take criticism well. Thats the real reason you keep referrencing me and throwing in repeated condescending remarks based on points I feel are definitely MOOT! I would still take on your feelings about Dani. The moments she has said them make them understandable to me. That is why I question whether your negativity is based on something personal like the fact that she evicted the one player you enjoyed the most. So really it wouldn't matter when or how come she made such a comment it would be just that she said something filthy about someone. That does not mean you are wrong it just makes no sense to me when you try to come off as intelligent to arrive at such a thought. If there was a poll taken as to her comments on that particular day durring that particular conversation when she made those comments you probably would find 95 percent of the female viewers applauding those comments because of why they were said. Yes they are filthy but ocassionally they apply to a person and on that day durring that discussion they applied. Now I asked you earlier what your opinion was about Roddy calling Dani a scumbag and a b@tch? Do you agree with these comments? Do you find justification in them based on the moment they were said? I don't. He said this because she got him nominated when he had been trying to sucker Amy out of nominating him. Now that is when I think filthy names are uncalled for. It would be interesting to know how you feel about Roddys comments directed at Dani for that particular reason. However, PLEASE avoid telling me how I have structured my thoughts or that I have said my opinion is gospel. For it is not so. Just give me your answer. I believe your answer would clear up something about your debate on Dani. You lean towards dis liking her based on comments she has made and get irritated if I ask when did she say these things. To me it is very important. However, each time I referrence the moment she said them I'm surprised you hold them against her based on your intelligence and I wonder if it is not more just about her and basically if she breaths to loud you are going to see it as another negative moment from Dani. I am in no way saying you are wrong but your arrival confuses me. You have suggested you are not the type of person who applauds such negative comments. I want to see if that applys to your favorite house guest as well... The question again... What do you think about Roddy calling Dani and Scumbag and a B@tch? |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 05:41 pm     I am no longer responding to your post bashing. I agree with Lancecrossfire.....way off topic and useless. You may have the last word. |
C1mag | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 05:50 pm     Thank you Sanfran. I proved my point. You will continue to avoid my question about Roddy and his negative remarks which gives support to my opinion that Dani could basically breath in that house and you are going to enjoy finding a thread to put her down and support it by things she has said but give no thought about why she said it and when. Lance made a great point. However, I don't think you realized it was directed at yourself as well. This thread got off topic. Who got us off topic? and why did your condescending comments not merrit being called a bash but mine did? I actually once again tried getting us back on topic. Remember you suggested before I responded to suck it up!! Looks like another double standard. If a mod feels that my responses were of a bashing nature I have been careful to avoid name calling. This poster also did not start this off topic approach. I referred to the one who began the off topic remarks. |
Maris | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 05:51 pm     Danni is nasty, naaaaaaaaaaaasty - naaaaaaaaaaaasty and naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasty. She said lots of naaaaaaaaaaaasty things in a naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasty sort of way. Now calling danni a scumbag, I am betting she would take it as a compliment. calling her a biatch, I am betting she said, you are right I am one. because Danni prides herself on being naaaaaaaaaaasty. Her mistake is that she believed that everyone else in the world would say yep, its ok as long as it is a game. you can lie, backstab, use, trash, or anything else. She is wrong, most people see her for what she is. low class, ghetto (to use her own words). She was always threatening to go ghetto. Well she is ghetto and that is all there is to it. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Thursday, September 19, 2002 - 05:56 pm     C1mag - "I proved my point. You will continue to avoid my question about Roddy" Okay you win. I will respond. I answered this question earlier in the thread. If you had read my posts *calmly* you would have seen it. Now, I am done. You can believe whatever you want about me. Your opinion of me has nothing to do with this thread. Your opinion of MY opinion of Roddy calling Dani a name has nothing to do with this thread. Okay....I now ask you to PLEASE respect Lancecrossfire's post as I am trying to do. Thank you. |
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