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Pcnot

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When I say Will was truthful, I mean in his Dr statements, sometimes painfully right on but never mean like Dani, I know he told all from the 1st that he would lie to them but his dr statements were very plain and honest in his reaction to the other hg's and far more amusing than hurtful- again, unlike Dani.

Beserkknight2

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Winning is knowing what the game is about and
doing your best to be that person who does it
the best. That's the BB game, like it or not.
You may want to change the game, but unless you
are employed by CBS or under contract with them,
you must live with BB the way it is...or not
watch. Dani mis-played the game by not taking
into account the vote of the jury. Plain and
simple. Richard Hatch did not do that. He
squeaked by convincing them he played the best
game - could Dani do that? Never...because she did
not play the game best.

Bmh

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
so your saying that Lisa that just sat around and did absolutely nothing and hung on Dani's every word..did play the game the best just because she was so sweet and nice..please that is farthest from the reason why someone should win BB

Superfan

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crossfire, I COULD agree with you if it wasn't for this fact, and I'll copy it from an earlier post of mine:

"Yet who among them can 'judge' the 'evil', when they THEMSELVES participated in that 'evil'? Dani just had more airtime because she's been there the longest.

Pot...Kettle...Black"

Did Marcellas play that way? Oooooooh yes. Gotta love that guy though!

Amy? Saaaaaaaaaaame thang. Love Love that gal too though!

Rodster? HAHAHHAHAHA...do I even need to point it out? More subtle though, and when he was in the house I LOVED watching him work it. He was good, but not as good as Dani. Biggest disappointment of mine is that he TOTALLY denies everything. Like are WE STOOOOOOPID?

Eric? Wasn't there some stuff he had to say about Tonya AFTER she left the house? And Gerry WHILE he was in the house?

Lisa? All I gotta say is Gerry Gerry Gerry and one word...pedophile. Now THAT'S crossing the line, game or not.

Tonya? Can't even touch that girl. Gerry again and Amy.

Lori? Hmmmmmmm, is she MAYBE the only one who didn't trash talk anyone? But my memory might be failing me. She wasn't around long enough anyhow. Somehow I think she had stuff to say about Tonya (didn't everyone?).

Josh? hehehehe. Joshy. Too over the top, but he had some trash talk play time too.

Chiara? Pour soul mucked around with the best of them.

Jason is really the ONLY player that I can say with real confidence isn't like that at all. But then, as it stands now, he isn't part of the 'jury' that I'm frustrated with.

Again...

"Yet who among them can 'judge' the 'evil', when they THEMSELVES participated in that 'evil'? Dani just had more airtime because she's been there the longest.

Pot...Kettle...Black"

Gina8642

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bmh

If Lisa wins, then yes she played the best game.

There is no 'deserve' in this game, because it is only a game.

Whoever is standing at the end played the best because it got them to the end. It really is moot how they got there.

I think it is fair for posters to say they want ***so in so*** to win, or don't want ***so and so*** to. But we really aren't allowed to judge who wins or who played the 'best' game. Only the former HGs get to do that (and possibly one AC vote). And whatever they say goes.

Wendo

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pcnot, Will's DR's were down right mean and viscous many times. There's a thread floating around where someone listed several things Will said last year. Not very nice at all.

Crossfire

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

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so your saying that Lisa that just sat around and did absolutely nothing and hung on Dani's every word..did play the game the best just because she was so sweet and nice..please that is farthest from the reason why someone should win BB




I don't know who you are addressing this to, but I want a stab at it. It is a good question.

If I were Dani, and I knew that I had trashed my way through the game (just work with me here, I know you might not agree on that point), I would make it a point to not have someone like Lisa sitting at my side in the end.

If I were Dani, I would have found a way to have Marcellas sitting beside me at the end.

Dani allowing sweet nice people (Jason), and wallflowers (Lisa) to get to the jury with her, was a tactical error on her part.

She either needed to play a cleaner game, or bring people with more dirt on them to the end. Then she could win on respect points for amazing gameplay.

Bmh

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina did you even read my post..does it say deserve anywhere in the one about Lisa..I think not..I dont think she played the best game by just being Dani's lap dog end of story

Pcnot

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, Will was as far from Dani as night is to day and as sharp a player as Dani is dull, like I said , she has her fingers stuck and it's way too late to help her.

Countrymeadow

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Big Brother is NOT a 3 month episode of FRIENDS. Sure, you have to make sure that you are civil and appear to be uninterested in the game....but, it is purely a strategic game. There are no rules on how to win. Pcnot mentioned in a post ....... " Dani did not play the best game because SHE PISSED OFF ALL REMAINING HG'S, THAT WILL VOTE". Uhm.......didn't WILL do the same thing?

Superfan I loved your post. It's about time someone typed the words I so often think. And for those who call Dani EVIL....that's a bunch of bunk. Sadam Hussein is EVIL, Osama Bin Laden is EVIL. Our little Dani is a clever crafty game player and I know she feels bad about having to lie to those she cares about.

Dani's doing this for herself and her family. No one in that house, except for Jason, has helped her accomplish this goal. She's played the game from day 1 and I truly think she's played it the best. If the jury is smart they will applaud her game play rather than sit and sniffle because they got their feelings hurt in that house.

:::::waving to my buddy lurknomore::::::

Crossfire

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

Quote:

"Yet who among them can 'judge' the 'evil', when they THEMSELVES participated in that 'evil'? Dani just had more airtime because she's been there the longest.

Pot...Kettle...Black"



Yep, I'll tell you who among them can judge the evil. ALL of them can. The spotlight is not on them anymore. If they made it to the end, then they would all have to pass the same test, and like you have pointed out. They would all fail.

This is why it is important to get either their respect, or their friendship. There is just no way around it.

Quoting from my own post:

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And in case anyone thinks I am just ripping on Dani, I would say the same thing about any of them if they were in the same position. It applies across the board.


Alegria

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 03:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
...or else dani was not thinking enough about the endgame. She made the mistake of trashing the other hg's more with other hg's than in the dr. She may also have based her voting choices on who she would rather spend time with. That seemed to have quite an influence on the vote-outs, people basically got fed up with certain high maintenance-type behavior. If Dani had been thinking about the final vote more she would never have gotten so nasty so often about the dearly departed ***what was she thinking!***

Ptomaine

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Superfan,

Had this been Survivor, I would agree with you that Dani played the best game. When Gerry and Amy left the house they supported Dani. But this is not Survivor, it is Big Brother, and the person that has played both the in-game and out-game the best is Jason, but Jason would not have made it that far without Dani.

Dani knows that the DR is important. As early as when Roddy was HOH, Dani told Marc that she worried about her DR session. But, as Dani stated, if she played the game any other way she may not have made it to the end.

For their tandem work and loyalty, both Dani and Jason deserve to win BB3. Their manipulating skills alone (body language, keeping away from each other etc...) was interesting to watch.

Jason in a discussion with Dani pointed out how their approach to the game differs: Dani plays an offensive game, Jason plays a defensive game. Like Dani says they compliment each other, she is evil, he is good.

Cassie

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Countrymeadow: "If the jury is smart they will applaud her game play rather than sit and sniffle because they got their feelings hurt in that house."

Don't think we're gonna see much applauding. And I'd bet that some of them are pondering whether five-to-life would be worth it, LOL.

Crossfire

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

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Uhm.......didn't WILL do the same thing?



Here is the thing I think most people don't get about Will's game.

He did not win BB, Nicole lost it. This is the same thing that could happen this year.

If Danielle goes up against Jason in the end, and takes second, it will not be because Jason won the game, it will be because Danielle lost it.

Countrymeadow

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cassie......LOL!! However, I remember how shocked I was at the way some voted last year. On Wednesday we shall see exactly what's on their minds. Dang, is anyone else as nervous as I am?

Excluding of course the 3 little hamsters and 2 leeezards left in the house :)

P.S. I wouldn't apply to do Big Brother if the prize was 10 million dollars. There aren't enough therapists in the world to help me when I got out.

Ptomaine

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would like to stop this contention that Dani forgot about the endgame. Dani has repeated at least 6 times now that she can't win due to her DR session, and her scumbaggery.

The 3 times she mentioned this to Jason, Jason assures her that she is wrong. This is not a recent development either (as pointed out by my previous post).

#1 Dani tells Marc about her horrible DR content (Roddy HOH maybe Gerry now I think of it)

#2 Dani tells Jason about her scumbaggery will cost her the 500 (Jason HOH#1)

#3 Dani tells Amy and Lisa, about her DR session (Jason HOH#2)

#4 Dani tells Marc that she can't win against Jason due to DR (Jason as HOH#2)

#5 Dani tells Jason that she is a scumbagging fiend and can't win against Jason or Lisa (HOHp1)

#6 Dani tells Lisa she can't win against Jason or Lisa due to DR (HOHp1 in the pool)

Pcnot

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To compare Dani and Will is laughable. WILL HAD GREAT PERSONALITY, DANI HAS ZERO PERSONALITY, WILL HAD HUMOR,DANI HAS NONE. Ok so you really need to compare Dani with Nicole, both played a similar game, both were hated by large numbers of tv watchers as well as x hg's. Pretty sad but that is how they were and 500k was lost because of it.

Bmh

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pcnot..I found Danielle very entertaining and funny throughout the whole BB season..BB3 would have been very bland and blah without her

and Ptomaine is right..Danielle knew all along what she was doing and just didn't "forget" about her DR entries and they way she acted..She knows this..She decided to be honest and straight foward instead no matter the outcome..she would look fake and pathetic if she suddenly stopped being Dani in the Dr

Ptomaine

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Preemptive defense:
Someone may argue that Dani really thinks that she can win due to her game play. But Dani has not stated this.

But then someone else can also say that Dani really really think that she will lose.

and on and on.

We can spend a whole day speculating what Dani really really really think, but why don't we just go by what Dani says?

Pcnot

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bmh, forgive me but there is a major portion of the country that wishes Dani would"suddenly stop being Dani".

Bmh

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No Pcnot..I know this board she would get bashed even more if she suddenly started to act nice and play nice..and be nice..everyone would say she was pathetic and fake and a phony..so she is better off just being Dani

Kendalia

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ummmm, I think I need to clean out my ears... did someone actually say Dani has "zero personality?" And no humor?

Huh????? Are we watching the same thing???

If she has no personality then Lisa isn't even ALIVE...

Crossfire

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So now we move from good conversation and intelligent discussion to baiting, and responding. Ahh well, it was good for 40 someodd posts or so.

Pcnot

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You are right B, if Dani did start being nice it would be pathedic(sic) because the hg's and the entire country has already seen way too much of Dani being Dani.