Do You Really Buy What Lisa is Selling?
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Monalisa

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 12:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spunky says: Monalisa, Lisa would have lasted till the morning... Danielle was barely hanging on and got lucky with Lisa's suggesting a deal.
And to say in the DR..." I gave Lisa the game" was the most arrogant behavior so far.

Spunky, did you read my post? I know Lisa was in better shape to win that, of course accidents can happen. What I said was that I didn't take what Danielle said to mean that the game was hers and she so nobly handed it over as you took it. I took it to be that she willingly let go of the key..no mistake, no slip, she decided to give up, b/c she couldn't last much longer anyway.

Danielle did not get lucky with Lisa suggesting a deal. Lisa was going to take her anyway. Actually, Lisa got lucky with the deal. It caused Dani to not go after HOH herself. Dani could have won part 2, and possibly part 3. Lisa was a shoe-in on part 3 with Jason against her.

Earthmother

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So what was all that stuff in the DR, Acting? Just last week.."when Dani said that I thought, something is going on between her and Jason"..said, I might add with a straight face..

She didn't know squat until Marc told her, and then she still wasn't real sure. She thought she was still in the "girl" allience. I think she can't stand knowing she was duped and doesn't want everyone to think she didn't know she was being played..

Jimmer

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've studied a lot of history and I find some of this extremely amusing. What we are seeing here is absolute classic revisionist history. It's called aligning the facts so as to arrive that the known outcome. Lisa played well in that she kept her mouth shut, didn't offend anyone and allied herself with dominant players. However, she was not an all-knowing master strategist.

Bernie

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Earthmother. I've watched every show and a lot of live feeds - Lisa is indulging in a little revisionist history, in order to boost her perceived playing skills. She may consider that Danielle has bad-mouthed everyone, and thus will lose votes, but she does know that last year, despite being disliked, Will got the win because the jury had to admit he'd played the game best.
Last night Lisa was playing for the jury just as much as Danielle was. Too bad for them both, if the jury is now sequestered-all that acting and manipulation wasted!

Bernie

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow, Jimmer-great minds think alike, LOL!

Jimmer

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's wonderful when that happens

Pesto

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Lisa ends up winning this thing, then congratulations to her for being the "Best" player. No one can argue that because she will have won.

Of course, my definition of "best" includes luck, and alot of it in Lisa's case. The historical revisionism regarding Lisa's gameplaying skill in this game is funny and if she wins, such distortion will most likely become codified by her fans. In reality, she clearly did not start playing until Eric left the house and she came under the wing of her BB master Dani. She learned her lesson well: "Eyes open, mouth closed" was her mantra. She was near clueless regarding existing alliances in the house several times and this is by her own admission to others in the house and to us in her DR sessions. To say [pp] "I knew it was going to be you and me (Dani)], is like saying I knew it was going to rain today, when you are already wet.

Just my opinion, but if you walked into a store and bought a lottery ticket and won $500,000, you just exhibited close to the amount of skill that Lisa has exhibited in the game. But hey, you earned the right to call yourself one of the "best" lottery players! :)

Again, best wishes and congrats to Lisa if she wins, but at least let's be honest about her journey to the final 2.

Earthmother

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The last post reminded me of how I feel about Lisa being where she is:

Have you ever seen one of those movies where the innocent little child or dog is aimlessly walking through traffic and cars are crashing and burning to avoid hitting them? Then they step into the open arms of their parents or owners completely unaware of what just happened around them. It was just unconscience luck that they survived...

What555456

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Too bad for them both, if the jury is now sequestered-all that acting and manipulation wasted!"

Bernie

I know they are sequestered; but does that mean they do not have access to the live feeds and what is going on?

I would assume sequestered means they are not able to get outside influences -- but not necessarily from watching the live feeds, reading the transcripts, watching past episodes, etc.

Hmmmm..also, do they even have access to each other?

Anyone know?

Just wondering.

Wendo

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 03:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Woodpecke® said, "The People's choice is Lisa in a cakewalk. Lisa Rules Big Brother 3. Get used to it now."

Huh, I didn't realize that Lisa already won BB. Did I miss Wed.'s show?

As to the topic at hand, personally, I agree with those that Lisa is partaking in a bit of revisionist history. In addition, I don't buy for a minute that she was aware of the Dani/Ja alliance in week three. (Bullpucky.) At that time, wasn't Lisa in bed more than half the time with a boil on her butt? And yet, with the pain and exhaustion from that she suddenly became aware that Dani and Ja were operating as a unit. I'm sorry, but no way. I give the Lisa credit for getting to the final two, however, for her to now suggest that she's been all knowing this entire time borders on lying. I would respect her more if she'd admit that circumstances in the house along with her UTR playing helped her in this game. That she didn't know everything, but what she did know enabled her to advance.

Claiming to now "know it all from the beginning" is somewhat arrogant imo.

Tobor7

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't buy any of it.
Not a single SYLABUB! LOL

Monalisa

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, ah go ahead and let them assume....you know what happens for those who A$$-U-ME.

Cricket

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother, ROFL...I almost fell off my chair laughing so hard at your post.

That is EXACTLY Lisa in this game. You nailed it!

Bernie

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What, I said IF they are seqestered because I have no idea if they are, and if they are, what does it actually mean? I just read somewhere else on the board that Roddy said they were, but who knows for sure? I only used it as a jumping off point for a joke, anyway!
Sorry not to be serious, but at this stage I really have no strong desire for either finalist to win, and so I can't get myself all lathered up. Now that Amy is gone, and also Jason, my faves have left the joust so I'm not waving my kerchief any longer at the lists.

Phillymom

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm ... I think some people are giving Lisa more credit than she's due. She seems like a nice person, but she's never struck me as a mental giant. She walked around totally clueless throughout most of this game. She did not know that Josh and Roddy were campaiging on Eric's behalf, she did not know that Chi voted against her, she did not know that Jason and Dani had a deal, and on and on ... she didn't know anything until she was told. And her "I-knew-everything" attitude just isn't sitting right with me.

What struck me as funny was, after Lisa told Danielle that she knew from the very beginning of the game that it was going to be her and Dani as the final two, Dani asked her something like "then do you know who's going to win?" Lisa said no, she didn't know that part. Of course she doesn't know that part -- cause it didn't happen yet!! When I hear Lisa say, "I know such-and-such a thing is going to happen," and it actually happens, then I'll believe her. That hasn't happened in over 2 months, and I doubt it's going to happen in the next 3 days.

Zeyna

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Phillymom..so true. Hindsight sure is 20/20

Monalisa

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It looks like Lisa just changed her story regarding when she knew about the Dani/Jason alliance.


L - I knew about the deal when Jason stood up and got rid of Mar
D - you did
L - and then I knew or reconfirmed it when nominations, and reaffirmed it again in the pool,
D - what pool
L - comp thing...I saw the look Jason gave you...it reconfirmed it , the day you told Jason


Do you think she forgot what she said last night?

What555456

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Monalisa

If that exchange were reversed with Dani saying what Lisa said, we would have an entire thread -- probably with well over 100 posts -- condemning the woman for it! LOL!!

Monalisa

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What....Sssshhhhhhh. No more threads! About 35 of them could be combined into one as it is now. I think I'm going to start posting:

see my thread at ?? thread (date/time)

LOL.

Meggieprice

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mona-I was thinking exactly the same thing when Lisa said that! Wait a minute Lisa- last night you said you knew from week 3.

Litafreak

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My answer:

Hell yeah, I'll buy anything she's selling!

Wrat1010

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One thing I respect about Lisa's strategy in the game, although it's hard to judge since we don't really see her 24/7 and I'm going by what she told Danielle -- is that she doesn't give the Big Brother diary room people what they want to hear.

A week or two ago she told Danielle about how she overheard Gerry and Josh conspiring during the first week or two of the game and how she realized it was a mistake to admit this during the Diary Room interview because BB used it as a storyline and asked questions like "Do you trust Josh" but also asked Josh questions like "Do you trust Lisa" -- so by not keeping her discovery to herself the trust she had been trying to build with Josh was destroyed. And after that point she decided not to tell the Diary Room anything else of consequence. In other words it could be that her strategy of "appearing not to be playing the game" resulted in her being erroneously judged as being "less of a threat" both times she was on the block for eviction.

But in order to deserve the win, she needs to be able to articulate her strategy better than past reality show finalists who ended up losing (like Neleh and Kelly from Survivor) but all she would have to do is say things like --

"For example, yes I know what plums and BBQ's are -- did you honestly think I was so clueless? And as for the decisions I made and alliances I chose which brought me to the final, it was based on picking up on clues -- clues which I had to keep to myself to appear cluelesss -- but clues that like jigsaw pieces could be assembled together to give me the best picture of what was really going on in the house as opposed to what others were telling me."

Eden

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 09:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, this IS Big Brother, isn't rewriting history one of the ways to control the future? Lisa is trying to sound "worthy" of winning by seeming to have been aware of what was REALLY happening in the house. Thing is, she's still in the house so she's automatically worthy. Did she play actively in a strategic way? Not in my opinion. Did she know about the D/J alliance in week 3? Nope.

If Lisa had organized a secret alliance with Marcellas and Roddy after Chiara's ouster, I'd say she had played a great game a la Danielle. But let's be honest, Lisa followed Danielle's orders and didn't do too much thinking on her own. Her one try to betray D&J failed because she didn't work Marcellas to USE the GPOV while Danielle worked him successfully, beyond seeming reason, NOT to.

Lisa made it to the final three because of Danielle. She made it to the final two all on her own by winning the last HOH. That's about the only thing I think she can take credit for as far as playing the game well.

Wendo

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"But in order to deserve the win, she needs to be able to articulate her strategy better than past reality show finalists who ended up losing (like Neleh and Kelly from Survivor) but all she would have to do is say things like --"

Well, she better not go the psychic/tarot card route. LOL! It would sound so ridiculous.

Tobor7

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What Wendo said.

Crossfire

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In agreeing, I feel like I am stepping on sacred toes or something, but I have to toss my hat in with Wendo as well.

Eden

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, I agree completely, as usual. My thought? Lisa's strategy was to follow Danielle's strategy. Is that worthy? I'm discounting the "tarot" stuff. Not my bag.

Tobor7

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo is smiling.

Wendo

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I confess, I am. :) *big grin*

LOL!

Phillymom

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 04:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, I hope Lisa brings up the Tarot cards, pre-destiny, and the "signs of snakes" with the jury today. Hee hee, I would love to see that and the reaction it gets from the jury. Or even better, wouldn't it be a riot if Dani brought it up?? Some last-minute strategizing on Dani's part to show how "out-there" Lisa is. And does anyone know what time is the question-and-answer session, and will it be shown on the live feeds?