What is the criteria for good game player or bad game player?
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What is the criteria for good game player or bad game player?
Monalisa | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 03:01 pm     Tally, how were you following my lead on other threads? I have never said you were repeating yourself, until now. I have never said that anybody else was just repeating themselves. I don't even remember making any posts quite so rude. So, don't say you are following my lead. I have only responded to your posts when you have thrown out a question like, "Somebody, please tell me why" or "Somebody, tell me what purpose it served." There was one time I responded directly to a question you asked of me. If you don't want me to read your posts, then don't post. I will continue to read your posts as I am curious as to which hg YOU think played the best game. |
Sassylady | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 03:08 pm     Mona: I love your basketball analogy! Only: made a good point but you confirmed the original point. Had Shaq and Kobe not played so well then non of them would have been in the Championship for Jelani to come in and score the winning points.  |
Monalisa | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 03:16 pm     Sassy, I don't think the double-teaming would keep Kobe from scoring though....lol. And actually, if double teaming is what keeps Kobe from scoring it means 1 of 2 things. 1. Kobe has the ball and just can't get free for the shot so passes it to Jelani, once again Kobe calls the play. 2. Somebody else has the ball and can't get it to Kobe and passes it to Jelani (unless he already has it) and everybody HOPES he makes it (rather than knowing Kobe would. My son told me to use the Vikings and football instead, but I can't stand Randy Moss, even though he is a great player....hmmm maybe that analogy would work better for those who don't personally like Dani. |
Spunky | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 03:57 pm     It's a combination of good strategy by throwing the HOH comp whenever necessary and keep away from the noisy crowd and ally yourself with the least threatening hg but most of all remain dignified, civil and decent throughout the game. Let's say have Danielle's strategy but Cassandra's diplomacy. Danielle may have had a good strategy but the dumbest behavior towards the hgs. |
Buggles | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:16 pm     I think Lisa was successful cos she seemed kind of intimidating in the beginning when she was HoH so people were afraid to nominate her.... but then she showed a more demure side & most people grew to like her.... she did a better-than-average job of not getting on people's nerves.... and she never seemed to be a big threat, esp w/ the whole Eric thing. Danielle was successful cos of her lying, manipulation, and not being in any obvious alliances & just sort of staying in the shadows. I'm not sure I feel comfy calling them 'better game players' though. Maybe. Clearly it pays in this game to NOT piss people off. And to stay under the radar (i.e. no obvious alliances or seem too well-liked). You want to be the kind of person though that people think twice about nominating (not an 'easy choice' like Amy who probably won't hold it against you). Basically it pays in this game to stand back & watch the other HGs annihilate each other, which is what I think Dani & Lisa both did. Eyes open, mouth shut... |
Emo1979 | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 08:52 pm     I take issue with the person who said that a good player has a plan from the beginning and executes it throughout the game to get to the end. I just don't see how anyone can have a definite fully-formed plan at the beginning of a game. Part of being a good player is IMPROVISING when something happens that you haven't planned for. A lot of people who are stuck in their "plans" fall because they can't adapt. I think Danielle's main problem is that she was playing the "final two" plan a little too hard. She was so focused on getting to the final two that she hasn't covered her bum enough to get the votes for the win! I was in the pro-Danielle camp for awhile... but I think the last couple of weeks have really magnified her flaws, specifically the trash talking. Frankly, I think not slamming the people who have been evicted IS part of the game, a part she's bad at. You need to play the game on your terms, but avoiding personal attacks makes it more likely people can stomach the way you've played, even if it can be considered "dirty". I don't think you necessarily have to kiss their ass, but maybe trashing them every chance you get is not the best idea. I get the impression that Lisa doesn't like a lot of the people who got evicted, but with the exception of Gerry, she hasn't trashed them. She also hasn't played the hardest, strategically, but made pivotal decisions on her own when she had to, and oftentimes that's enough to be a good player. Originally, I didn't care that much for Lisa, and I still don't know how much I like her as a person, but I think as an adaptable game player she has done quite well. Some might say she's flown under the radar, but being a good player involves SOME flying under the radar! Danielle herself has said that her alliance with Jason was essentially under the radar the entire game. She and Jason were smart enough to "get" that part of it, but they couldn't follow-though, IMO. A lot of both L & D's success so far has I think been based on naturally occurring parts of their personalities - Danielle has incredible drive and strength to do whatever it takes. Lisa is kind and obviously considers consequences and effects very carefully before acting. Additionally both could be said to have naturally occurring faults that could cost them the game - while Lisa made some tough decisions, she could be viewed as "coattail riding" because she's been very quiet about her opinions and decisions. Danielle's drive may have been too focused on the final two and not enough on the subtleties of the game. |
Cindyluvsroddy | Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 10:55 pm     monalisa - a good player teams up with other good players ... dani, lisa, and jason are all good players ... not sure what u meant in your post above |
Tobor7 | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:34 am     An old saying may apply here-- When being chased by a bear, you don't have to outrun 11 others-- you only have to outrun one. Lisa only has to outrun Dani at this point. Dani told Lisa to; "Keep your eyes open and your mouth shut" Dani forgot about the last part of that advice. |
Eden | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:30 am     Sorry, I thought this post meant gameplaying within the confines of BB and not sports in general. This game and its rules, or lack thereof are not analogous to most. |
Spunky | Monday, September 23, 2002 - 07:57 pm     Very good Emo!! I'm glad I came back in here to read your excellent take. Sometimes when I find someone who writes exactly what I want to say I can't stop smiling.... |
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