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The ClubHouse: General Discussion Archives: Archive Three: Banner Discussion: Archive through July 13, 2002

Twiggyish

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Moonie, good for you! I personally think you did the right thing.

Treasure

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think most RL family, friends, and/or supportive fans have sent banners during the previous 2 American BBs because they, and we, can see that Arnie's company and/or the crew or editors can bias the show in whatever direction they want, i.e. there have been questions in the past, here and on other BB fansites, of the producers showing favoritism to certain HG, certain HG knowing more than they "should", getting more perks, being let in on scheming against them, staffers being more involved personally than they should be and so on.

So, yeah, the banners and Angel "interference" would actually be biased, IF they weren't really just helping to even out the already tilted playing field.

Reality is, humans cannot be unbiased, especially when their bottom line is involved.

Judging from the past two seasons, it appears that this production team will do whatever it takes to make television that sells, and if to them that meant adding to an emotional conflict between HG, or influencing a CT-like alliance against someone they want to get rid of, this group has been accused of it in the past, and it'll all happen again this year. All that's left is the who, where, when. Let the games roll on! ;o)

Meggieprice

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Joshfan and others- I see what you mean now- I think its hard watching an alliance run over everyone in their path and you start longing for someone/thing to tell the underdogs what's happening- but then that's not really fair, is it.
Hey- I actually changed my opinion!


Azriel- I ended up near tears last night when I started my own thread and things got personal. I love a spirited exchange- and we sure get that here!- but I also love this TVCH family.

Azriel

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh gee, Sanfran, part of the fun was getting mad over the stupid banners that flew. I guess I'm just unsophisticated, but I enjoyed the banners I didn't agree with as much as the banners I agreed with. It was fun and different to actually be able to change what was going on in the game.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Ask yourself this: How well would Big Brother do in the regular television lineup?

That doesn't matter.....that's like asking how well an afternoon game show would do against ER. BB does very well for CBS and has always been higher ratings for them in that time period than what they had in previous years. I'm not claiming that CBS is winning that time slot against the other networks....but they are still getting higher ratings than they did before. If they were number 15 in the ratings most years at that time period, then if BB took them to number 11, why would they dump it to go back to being #15?

Also, the first summer Survivor did better than the fall season.

Bastable

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm all for Moonie, by the way, as long as it never gets nasty!

It almost broke my heart last summer when Nicole was convinced she was about to get divorced because of a banner that flew. That went TOO far and seriously messed her up. She wept for days.

Psychological torture should not be what this game is about. Banner-senders should ALWAYS remember that. These are real people under circumstances and pressures we can never understand.

Jadeygurl39

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Right on Meggie! I love the controversy. It makes the show that much more fun. I love the "stirring of emotions" and everyones different angle on things. I agree let the games roll on. :)

Jade

Ryanc2002

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In regular, everyday thinking I agree Sanfran. But this is hollywood. If Shapiro's assistant says "Well, at least we got better." He better head for the unemployment line.

Misslibra

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Great Banner Moon!! :) it gave away no clues as to what has been going on in the house. Count me in as one who happen to like the banners.

Some people like the banners some don't... so is life. We could disagree about the banners until we are blue in the face but the fact is we will still have people on different sides of this issue. And I respect all of your opinions about this. Just wanted to add my 25 cents worth.
:)

WAY TO GO TVCH ANGELS!! WE LOVE YA!!

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Heck....both in BB1 and BB2 I LIKED the banners...until at one point I saw them changing the game's outcome by giving away startegies. I thought when the banner told about Hardy's toothbrush, it was the right thing to do, but when they gave up evil Dr Will's manipulation strategies it was unfair. (And I was anti-Will from the get-go)

It boils down to (for me) the TYPE of banner that is flown. I don't mind Moondance's banner that was flown today....it expresses an opinion, but doesn't undermine any player's strategy. But....I guess it has to be all or nothing....if only SOME banners are allowed, it turns into a subjective censorship type thing.

Opinion Banners vs Actual Strategy Banners.... that's where I, personally, draw the line.

Twiggyish

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey we aren't the only banner flyers around here. There other sites which send them, too.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Twig. you're right....individuals fly banners, too. As I recall, the banner that freaked out Nicole so much was actually flown by her husband while she was lying in her own pee on that waterbed in the backyard during a challenge!

Ryanc2002

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That type of opinion banner is great. But "We love Jason, and Josh is a snake!" Is different. That can screw with someone psycholigically, either boosting Jasons ego or having the opposite effect on Josh, which would change the game. Although I can't see either giving a damn.

Lurknomore

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jadey...so glad you wrote your earlier post about the right to disagree. You took many of my words out of my mouth so you saved my typing. One of the things that has always made it interesting is our differing viewpoints. I personally get mighty miffed when ANYONE posts the right way and the wrong way and judges those with different opinions.

I have my strong opinions on what would make this show more interesting. I personally think a lot of them would result in significantly higher ratings and more money for CBS. (and significantly happier fans).

That said, I would never be rude enough to post here that others are wrong and I am right. I hope others would be kinder to thoughts that are different from their own? Like you implied, can't we all just be respectful of differing opinions???

Personally I liked the way the intelligent banners stirred things up, and got mighty annoyed at stupid ones. But all in all to me they made the game more interesting.

Lurknomore

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
oh and one comment on the giving Will's stategy away argument. Who won last year's BB? We all had fun, and this PROVED it didn't effect the outcome of the game.

Ryanc2002

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk - It did change the game. If Will had went ahead with his strategy and had gotten caught, he'd have been out on his ass.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk...hey you're right! I forgot that Will won! (I still stand by my feelings on strategy banners, though....even though he won, the game went in an entirely different direction than it may have without that banner) ;-)

Scorpiomoon

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Penpoint: I completely agree with everything you wrote.

The thing that always perplexed me was just how much money was being wasted on banners. Wouldn't it have been less frivilous to give money to a charity in the name of a favorite hg or something?

I don't mean to sound snippy or anything, but I also don't understand the "rah rah"-ing going on over the "Angels". Didn't the "Angels" have their moment of glory during BB1? Its another year, there's tighter security and I seriously doubt these hgs will go without toilet papar. Isn't it time to move on?

Treasure

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So, Ryan, you think I should cancel my banner that says "We Jason, Josh is the !" ?? Just kidding!

But, Josh has proven he would give a damn! They've been in there just over a week now and he's three or four days into wigging out about people not hooking up with him, he goes and sits in the bathroom so that Marc and Jason "can't talk about him". etc. etc. etc. Paranoid to the nth degree, he is. Go he must. heehee

Hardywins

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
kSsheeszzews Folks, Its entertainment, not the holocaust. The "game" should not be influenced by outside info "banners". The idea is to see how 12 people relate/conspire with each other in a controlled environment where NO outside influences could affect the outcome of the players own efforts. Last year, the contest was severely affected by the banners and other outside contacts. Probably Nicole should have craced up and walked out because she wasn't allowed to talk to her husband. Who knows. The contest was tainted! I can think of no factor in last years contest that was actually benefitted by a banner. If you must insist on making your statements; send emails, certified letters, faxes, telegrams, or call them yourself to CBS, Shapiro, or whoever; but don't botch the contest up by supplying biased info to the contestants. Ruins the game! Ruins the Entertainment!

Ryanc2002

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh my...shoot me...I'm going to agree with a Hardy fan. You are SO right Hardywins! Not about Hardy, but you're right about the banners.

Oregonfire

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmm...in my opinion, I don't mind the banners, because they add to the drama. I'm not really too into the purity of the show. I really wish they got a field trip to a remote section of the California Coast, but that's just me.

I don't really have a strong opinion about banners either way. But that Julie Chen, however...

Pamy

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Where is the link they we can go to see the pics of what Moonie did today? and again, Does anyone know if a HG actually saw it? I think this thread got off subject(no offense) maybe you could start a 'let's debate the banners' thread and leave this one for posts just about the actual banner action

Azriel

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Oregon don't go there!

Azriel

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pamy, Moonie ran off to the other thread.(TVCH Angels) We were bringing her down in this one. She will post the pics in that thread as soon as she gets them ready.