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The ClubHouse: General Discussion Archives: Archive Three: Protest Banner being flown right now! TVCH ANGELS STRIKE AGAIN!: Archive through July 13, 2002

Aim499

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Who's rule is it that banners can not be read? Is it Big Brother's rule, or did the houseguests decide they didn't want any outside information? I heard Tonya saying that they can't look up, so did the producers tell them not to?

Pamy

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone know if any of the HG actually saw the banner? Has anyone heard what would happen if they looked up at a banner?
I agree banners create controversy and make this show more entertaining!

Car54

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the banners, the megaphone lady, the toilet paper throwing, all made the game more fun... we have all complained about endless smoking, backgamon, exercising, talking, talking, talking....sometimes a little outside stimulus that is not so planned out shakes things up a little...adds a lot to the entertainment.

And I totally agree with the message to the producers... this show was different because we could be part of it by watching all the time, by voting, etc. The total disregard of the audience and fans just does not make good sense.

Ryanc2002

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hate to be the devils advocate, but...Where does it say that we have to be involved? The producers of BB1 DID NOT invite the banners, they just didn't know how to handle them. I think we've been spoiled with being able to be involved, but need to accept that we are not going to be directly involved in a major way with Big Brother, other than America's Choice questions.

Azriel

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't you hate when that happens?

Azriel

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Penpoint, the houseguests are more sophisticated??? Ummm...yeah, right rollseyes

I don't think the basic concept of a show that works HAS to change.

Bastable

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Penpoint, if you look at my original post, you see it says banners have always been a part of BB "HERE"--I never said they were part of other BBs.

But I can answer the idea that BB was not as popular as Survivor and therefore a flop. This was never true. BB, critics-slammed as it was and is, still produces better ratings than the usual summer re-runs. It's relatively cheap to make and yet it still gets better numbers than regular summer programming. THAT is why it has returned two years; it has nothing to do with the critics. TV is a business, not an art.

CBS refused to reveal how many people phoned for evictions during BB1. To me, that indicates it wasn't many people. As I recall, the number cost money to call--unlike something like "American Idol", which got 3 million free votes during its first week. If CBS would set up FREE voting phone lines instead of making us pay for them, you can bet that it would get enough calls to make the audience-voting system work.

Instead, CBS is money-grubbing. TV, after all, is a business. This money-grubbing has affected the audience's experience of the show ever since BB1.

--no more free voting; no more voting at all
--no more free feeds
--no more uncensored feeds (fear of lawsuits)
--FOTH feeds (as if feed watchers wouldn't also watch the TV show!)
--no more authenic contestants with personality

I think a case can be made that all of these changes occurred because CBS wanted more money. And every single one of them is derided by most of BB's biggest fans.

Banners are just one more thing--the straw on the camel's back.

Maris

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The problem with the banners isnt that they have them it is that there are too many of them. By the end of last season I ws watching the FOTH a lot more than anything else. It almost became a competitition between boards. Then it was a competition between people who supported different Houseguests. When does it stop, you fly one banner next thing you know five more people are flying their own banners.

I really got to hate the banners at the end, I didnt pay for live feeds to watch a still picture of the house and hear a plane overhead.

Ryanc2002

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BB1 wasn't as popular as Survivor Bastable, hate to break it to you but it was a ratings disaster and my experience indicates that people were closet fans, almost embarrassed to admit that they were fans.

Meggieprice

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember the banners as being mostly all true- and I usually was happy to see those messages go out. I think they were another factor in the game and I hate to see them disallowed. For one thing it might shake up the narcissism alliance! Go Angels! More! More!

Keiffer

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pen, I have been making these arguments for a couple weeks dating back to the Dreaded Banners thread. A good deal of people on here seem to think it a right or something to be invovled with the show. I tell you if these people who thought their opinions were so important, and so brilliant as to be that important to give HG's hints and news, then maybe they should get jobs working for CBS, and leave the TV show making to people who have the experience and have their livly hoods resting on it.

Ryanc2002

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amen Keiffer...

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gotta disagree, Ryan. When BB1 aired it was only a "disaster" when it was *compared to Survivor*....but overall, CBS had higher ratings than they had in previous years during the same summer times slots. Critics hated it, but if it was not a money-maker we wouldn't have had it two more times. Notice how networks cancel a show after three episodes if it isn't paying its way?....no network brings back a "disaster" year after year...

Meggieprice

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How about we comment on the opinions here and not the poeple expressing them?

Bastable

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryanc2002-- I didn't say that BB1 was equal to Survivor. I said it wasn't a flop. It is a fact that it was a ratings success for the TV industry for the reasons I gave. Whether it was a guilty pleasure doesn't figure into it. It was back because it made money for CBS over a weak period (the summer doldrums). If it had lost money, we would never have seen it again. Read interviews with Les Moonves (who programmed CBS) from that period if you doubt me.

Ryanc2002

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran: They didn't bring back Endemol's Big Brother. They brought back Arnold Shapiro's Big Brother, which is a completely different game.

Bastable

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
RyanC, at the end of tonight's show, check the producers' icons. Endemol is a co-producer now; it gets the last title card at the end before the show goes off the air (it's got the eye on it).

Jadeygurl39

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow I thought it was ok to have different opinions until I read Keiffer's post. Maybe I am interpreting it wrong but EVERYONE has the right to his or her own opinion without it being slammed. Hey, maybe some of the people posting here do work at CBS. Gawd give me a break.

Oh, TVCH Angels, I love ya'll and the banners. I wouldn't post without giving my two cents
whether someone likes it or not. :)

Jade

Bastable

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
but you're totally right if you mean that AS has all the control.. he certainly does! I think Endemol is just a "paycheck producer" now.

Ryanc2002

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bastable: Thing about this for a second. Big Brother is in the summer, during thev rerun period.

Survivor, however has run during the regular TV season, and became the number one rated show on television. Survivor topped ER, which was number 1 for, like, forever.

Ask yourself this: How well would Big Brother do in the regular television lineup?

Azriel

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggie, I agree with and thank you for saying that before I typed out what I was really thinking

Ryanc2002

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You are very correct Bastable, but they don't put very much input into it anymore. They basically dumped Big Brother USA like the red headed stepchild and gave it to Arnold.

Maris

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't work for CBS I am of the mind too much of a good thing........... I loved the banner last year exposing the cancer plot but by the end there were just too many banners and they were just too nasty.

Its too bad there isnt a way to control how many fly over but that just isnt possible. you never know tho, maybe next year CBS will figure out a way to work the banners into the show, Like Regis on Who wants to be a millionaire. They will have a weekly challenge, the winner gets to call their lifeline for a banner.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As for banners giving away strategies....imagaine what the first Survivor would have been like had the players been told of the Richard/Susan/Kelly/Rudy alliance? It would have been a totally different game.

I agree that the banners should not give away game startegies...that's not playing fair. That gives the fan base with the most money an unfair advantage....and we all remember how upset everyone got over the Save George campaign. That, too was simply a matter of fan with money organizing and affecting the outcome of the game.

THEY are playing the game....WE get to watch THEM play.

Maybe fans could chip in to pay a blimp to fly over the Super Bowl and tell all the secret plays that the opponents have developed....?

That's the same thing as BB banners giving away strategies, in my book....

Bastable

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryan, BB would totally flop during the season. No question. I agree! But during the summer, it can shine among reruns. I agree with you on that... maybe we're talking about two different things and I don't know it.

That's why when Penpoint compared the two shows, I took exception... in TV industry terms, it's like comparing apples and oranges.

And Jade, I agree with you that we should express our opinions. What does Keiffer think this message board is for?? It's ironic that he's expressing his opinion that we shouldn't express our opinions. (No offense, Keiffer!!)

Besides, I'm sick and tired of my voice being slowly taken away from me (not just with BB over the last few seasons, but even in regular life!), and maybe my reaction is all the stronger because of it.