Archive through July 14, 2002
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The ClubHouse: General Discussion Archives: Archive Three: The Women: Archive through July 14, 2002

Maris

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Holy Canoli Batman, running for cover with Car.

Ryanc2002

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Meeeeeooooowwww Oregonfire!

Cousin_Jake

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keiffer mentioned a double standard because we weren't offended when Eddie from BB1 and Mike from BB2 got naked. In fact, quite a few of us were offended. IMHO when a man flashes his package in front of women it is an act of contempt and that's why I was upset with Eddie and Mike. Josh from BB!'s nudity didn't offend me because he did it when there were only three guys left in the house and they were all bored and drunk and he jumped on the trampoline naked. He might have regretted it later but it didn't offend me. It's all in the context is what I'm trying to say I guess.

Maris

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Heck, I have been screaming all week for Gerry to put his shirt on. I will gladly put shaving cream on him to cover him up.

Ryanc2002

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jake - I know this is sort of not the issue but according to the law voluntary intoxication isn't an excuse/defense. So if naked Trampoline was against the law Josh would be in trouble.

What555456

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Then I hope you understand my point of view when say that most men I observe are lying cheaters. I mean, I'm just putting it out there, right? So men of the world realize that we are on to you."

Statistics support this. And they are egged on by women <mod> (K) pushing the men's buttons, from churches to bars, from nice next door housewives to teenager girl's bedrooms with walls covered with sexually suggestive posters.

Should men be doing this? No. But women have to recognize how they, themselves, as a group, instigate, encourage and support these men. And then whine that their sexual overtures were misunderstood.

Earthmother

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It may not be politcally correct but we all know that there has been, is and always will be a double standard in the way ladies/and men are perceived. A woman with children needs to be careful how she projects herself but all women will be seen in an unfavorable light if they behave too boldly. Don't tell me that your family would not be hiding their heads in shame if it was you on the screen behaving in this way (I don't care how broad minded they are}. It may very well have been just innocent fun, but obviously someone forgot to teach these youngsters that there is a time and place for everything..you can skinny dip with your friends at a secluded lake, but you don't walk into church without your pants.

Bogey

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the sad part about some of the women on BB (esp. Chiara and Tonya) is that their sexuality seems to be the only thing they value in themselves. I have no problem with them expressing their sexuality, they are adults after all, but is that all they have going for them? Pretty shallow.

On a side note, I wonder how much of it comes from feeling pressure to put on an exciting show. The HG's in BB1 were criticized for being boring. I guess maybe they feel they have to create a stir to make BB3 successful and extend their 15 minutes. I don't think it will work.

Zeyna

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 12:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wouldn't classify Chiara as a slut by any means. I do think she is a tease. The shaving cream incident was for the sole purpose of getting the boys riled up and for some attenton.

I also think she's a bit annoyed that her tactics are not necessarily working with Jason, which is why she's constantly making fun of his virginity. She made sure to share with everyone that Jason could only come up with the word "breast" when they were playing the porn password game last night (as a way to demean him). During the game, he was clearly uncomfortable, and she just kept going anyway. Maybe she's pushing his buttons to get a reaction out of him.

I'm not sure what her goal is, but I think she just wants to be seen as the fun girl and part of the crowd.

Moondance

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 12:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think you hit it Zeyna!

Earthmother

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, she is an attention getter..hopefully it won't take long for the boys to tire of the game though.

Ginger

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the welcome back Moondance! You are and have always been one of the coolest voices on this board.

I want to pipe in here about the obligations of women who are mothers versus those who are not mothers. I don't believe that mothers should tone it down in any way, shape, or form based solely on the fact that they are parents. I DO think that when their children are involved, or may be witness to their behavior mothers should absolutely have the best interests of their children in mind (oh, but don't we ALL have that responsibility?). However, I do not think that becoming a mother means that a woman signs away her freedom or her sexuality. Of course becoming a mother HAS meant that for centuries, but for goodness sakes, let's let that idea die!

Tonya, in my mind, clearly seeks and attains a lot of power through her physical and sexual identity. In the meanwhile, it so far APPEARS that her spiritual, emotional, and psychological selves suffer. Sadly, as I noted in my previous post, it seems that BB looks for this kind of person. Hence the "shower dance."

Maris

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Ginger and my point was that as a mother she should have been aware that her children might have witnessed her behavior and had a responsibility to them. She didnt leave her responsibility at the door of the Big Brother house. If she wants to have a relationship with someone and they roll around in chocolate together in private, more power to her.

Tabbyking

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
she probably had better hope one of her exes doesn't want the kids. he could probably find a social worker to study her behavior.
whether we feel it is right or not, there is a certain behavior 'expected' of a parent, and tonya is not evidencing it!

Ginger

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 02:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, exactly! I wasn't so much disputing anyone's comments here as I was wanting to express the fact that indeed mother's aren't required to be the Virgin Mary (as our culture has often asked them to be), but yes, they should take care with what the kiddies see and know about them. And so should fathers, for that matter.

Twiggyish

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tabby, exactly!! If she should ever seek custody (which I doubt) of her kids, this could all be used against her.

Hunter

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Then I hope you understand my point of view when say that most men I observe are lying cheaters. I mean, I'm just putting it out there, right? So men of the world realize that we are on to you."

Oregonfire...That's really....profound.

This loving, caring, honest man of the world has been put on notice.

I have always wanted to paint. May I borrow your broad brush??

Oregonfire

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 07:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hunter, it was said to make a point to What. If it can be said that most women will sell themselves, then it can be said that most men cheat. I found What's post extremely offensive. Did you find mine offensive? Then you know how I feel.

Seamonkey

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't care what they do to demean themselves. And I don't know a single lesbian who would be angry with them; straight girls fool around all the time, not a big deal..

What really bothered me was that they used it to upset others. Danielle told M and A that she started in there to the WC and turned around (but later, when Danielle was schmoozing with the bodynazies in HOH she was very accepting but said that she wouldn't be joining them) And they absolutely used it to try to bring Amy down.

And other comments that Gerry was no good in the house because "he can't snuggle with the girls and he can't really work out".. what a CROCK!! That is their mentality.. if you aren't copping a feel or showing off your body in some way, you are useless.

What is ruining this BB is just how hateful they are.

And sleazy. In Australia they had a double shower, most of them just stripped down in front of the cameras but you know, it wasn't this big deal, they actually mostly didn't feel self-conscious but they didn't leer at each other like, um.. high school kids.

And then they keep talking and talking about it.. the shower scene, being paid to see this, to walk around with these hot chicks in bikinis.. so it obviously is a bit deal to them.. get a life!

Hunter

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregonfire

I hear and understand your point of view. I just felt it was painted with a bit of a broad brush.

I still love ya.

Warm Smile

Kapow

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 09:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Man o man! On one of the LFPs I just saw that Tonya was talking about women who don't wear underwear are skanks! Oh, ok, women who soap each other up in the shower in order to turn men on have class. And flaunting fake boobs and bleached teeth is really the way to show how classy you are. NOOOWWWWW I understand. Thanks, mother of 5 for teaching me this valuable lesson.

Misslibra

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 09:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kapow I heard her and thought... HUH?!!!

Iceprincess

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 09:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting....Last I recall, bra's were considered underwear and she is one who said she brought a lot of things that didn't require a bra. So then, by her definition, she is a skank. Or am I missing the boat here?

Maris

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well she just called herself a skank because she had a conversation two days ago about how she went out with her husband and her dress didnt go with her underwear lines so she went without underwear.

Seamonkey

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And she made a huge deal about finally wearing a bra tonight..

Tonya's whole life seems to consist of designer labels, wanting the most expensive jewelry, provided by a man, to show her worth, makeup, grooming, and her boobs.