C1mag | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:10 pm     My answer is NO! He sees her for what she is! He keeps saying that the game needs to be more even and this choice to put up Gerry knowing he would be gone is not an act to keep the game even. He's got to be thinking that Dani has got one hell of a nerve to suggest this knowing that the in crowd would eat every one up if he did this. She may veto Tonya but he WILL NOT put up Gerry! Think about this for a second... There is no need to talk to Dani anymore about it. He see's her for what she is and she has promised she will veto Tonya. So, Marci has a chance to get even with her. If he just says to her ok and she goes and vetos Tonya, then all Marci does is put up someone like Lisa or Roddy or Eric against Josh. That way Josh still goes. We know Josh is the one Marci wants to go and Marci does think things out. What he knows now is that Dani is NOT to be trusted!! This is a good thing. He's still in control! Let her veto Tonya then throw out someone like Chiara against Josh, but NOT Gerry! Marci is very intelligent! He will not put Gerry up. I think this has to be one of the most insulting moments in the history of these shows when one of only 2 african americans will turn on the other one so quickly and blatantly play them for a fool. I thought it was an un spoken agreement since they were always in the minority in these reality games that they don't do this to one another? So much for that! Dani may end up hearing from the NAACP after her stay in that house. She turned on her brotha! How scummy! What do you think? |
Sheila494 | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:13 pm     i hope marcellas is smart enough to know better and i think he is. |
Cameltoes | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:16 pm     I am trying to be calm here. I agree. He has ALWAYS seen her for who she is. This goes back to some of his first conversations with Amy. He has seen her true face. No matter what, a Six Packer will go. Danielle is fretting about being seen as part of the "other" alliance. You can only play both sides against the middle for so long. She wants to be able to be in the Six Pack if they retain power AND still stay connected with the others and Marcellas is her key to staying good with the "classy ones". If Gerry wins HOH next week, she will be singing a different song. I hope she gets burned just like Krista did. |
Maris | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:18 pm     if he does he deserves to lose, I hate to say it but Sanielle is so obvious it is disgusting. She turnedme off when she did that us black folks hve to stick together routine, that is when I knew she was going to stab him in the back. I hope pulls a fast on her. I hope when he is in the HOH room he thinks about what position she is putting him in by making him give up the person that saved him. I hope he just stews in that HOH room and tells her at the nomination that he just couldnt stab someone in the back who helped him. Then he should say but Danielle, I will make it up to you by putting up Roddy who you asked me to put up instead of Josh. |
Squidward | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:21 pm     When did she play the race card with Marcellas? I don't think he is as gullible as she thinks he is. She showed her true self to him today and hopefully will get her comeuppance soon. |
C1mag | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:21 pm     I added more to my original post so please read. There is a way for Marc to get what he really wants out of this.... Just re read my original post and remember she PROMISED to veto Tonya so Josh is still up. Marc may have ended up playing her because all Marci has to do is not put up Gerry but someone like Lisa and Josh is gone and the game goes on..... If he plays her game he is a foolish man |
Cameltoes | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:23 pm     Did she actually promise to veto Tonya? I was so worked up I could hardly pay attention. The last thing I remember was Marcellas telling her not to screw him and how torn he is on the Gerry issue. Meanwhile Chiara and Roddy are figuring out that Josh is lying to them. |
C1mag | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:28 pm     Yes the deal was that she is too veto Tonya because that way it wouldn't appear obvious to them all if it were a Gerry and Josh nomination so Josh would still be nominated. This was Marci's suggestion. I think he may have played her. Do you get it? He's just not gonna put Gerry up against Josh there is no way! But as long as Josh is still on that block then the weasel will go and that is what Marci wants. By the way Camel I am just as disgusted at her as you are. I found her to be competely insulting. |
Cameltoes | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:33 pm     Ok.. that being the case, I hope to hell that he is playing her. The hard part is that he has few people to talk to about this. Amy is somewhat blinded by her Gerry hate. He can't talk to Gerry too much about it because Gerry is the one that people are trying to convince him to put up. So he only has his own mind (which is very sharp thank goodness). What I hate most about the conversation is that Danielle is so utterly close minded to Marcellas's point of view. She doesn't care that he would look like he was screwing over the person who saved him. That's just dirty. Even the Six Pack understands why he would be unwilling to put up Gerry. |
Earthmother | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:43 pm     Remember when he had the revelation as to why to put Tonya up against Josh..it was so if Tonya won the power of veto that Josh would not be removed from the block...Gerry was the only one he told this to, so if he tells Danni she can't remove Josh but can remove Tonya and then he will put up Gerry he is guarenteed that Josh is gone by putting up another 6 packer... I really believe he will do it this way. |
Aloha1961 | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:49 pm     wow if marcellus puts gerry up i would be totally against marcellus since gerry did save marcellus... |
Classycassfan | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:49 pm     Ok if what you suggest is Marc game plan why is he telling Roddy Doddy and ChiChipet that he is going to put Gerry up if Dani saves Tonya??? If he has told all these people he will put Gerry up against Josh? Won't Marc come out looking stupid when he doesn't Gerry up agains Josh? |
C1mag | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:53 pm     Classy have you heard Marcellus yourself say this or are you reading this from some post because Marcellus hasn't said anything like that at all. Unless I missed it and I would think there would have been a post by now saying that Marci has told everyone he is doing this. You may have misunderstood. This is Joshies little game about going around telling people that he may do this. I could be wrong but I haven't heard Marci tell anyone he is doing this. If anyone he would tell Gerry. |
Cameltoes | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:57 pm     I have not heard Marcellas say this either. He has told Tonya (and I guess Chiara) that the considered Gerry (which is meaningless) but that he wants Josh out first (which is true). He point blank told Josh, in front of Danielle last night, that he would NOT put up Gerry if veto was used. Josh is lying like the dog he is and Roddy knows this now so he may have told one lie too many. |
Gouraphik | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 03:59 pm     Foof! What a day! I was afraid that either a 6-packer or one of the enigmatic outsiders (Danielle or Jason) would win the Veto, but luckily, Marcellas has shown that he's a true player when it comes to this game. Ever since he's been HOH, he's been telling people pretty much what they want to hear. It's sort of like Roddy's mirroring strategy. I feel that he got a bit miffed when Danielle started on the "save Josh" tip, but calmed down and let her show her cards (like many others here and in other threads have been saying). I doubt that he'll let Danielle lead him to ruin. He's not tight with her like he is with Amy (who would have a better shot at leading him astray, although I doubt she'd succeed in the end, either), so the emotional baggage won't be as heavy once it comes time to wipe her out for her transgressions. I hope he does the wise thing and puts up a 6-packer (Roddy, who he named as a possible candidate, would be best) if Danielle dares to screw with things. I don't know if it'll go down exactly as C1mag predicts, but I hope it'll be a doosey...and one that keeps Marcellas alive. In any event, it'll make for great TV. We've now got 2 alternate villains other than Josh (Gerry for some & Danielle for others), so there should be few complaints once the weasely one is removed from the house. |
Earthmother | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 04:02 pm     I haven't heard Mar. tell anyone he was putting up Gerry, Dani said she would take Tonya off the block if he would put up Gerry and Mar said don't screw me, which implies he would, but he never said OK I will do that. |
Hardywins | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 04:07 pm     Earthmother? Where is the logic in thinking that Tonya could win the Veto Challenge. She is a natural PrttyDumb that will never win a contest! Why did Marc ever think that? I can only believe that Marc nomed Tonya as a threat to the other remaining PrettyDumbs (sexpack) that if they won the Veto and saved Josh; one of them would be put in his place. I never understood Marc nominating Tonya really, she is quite harmless as a game player. |
Aloha1961 | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 04:10 pm     actually in the live feed post marc tells dani if she vetos tonya instead of josh he will put gerry up and let the chips fall where they may... if its josh against gerry ...then you know gerry is gone.. he will have no votes keeping him in..unless jason gives him that sympathy vote.. and if everyone votes against gerry bet julie doesn't say the vote count. |
Firebird05 | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 04:39 pm     It was Mars who brought up the whole if you veto Tonya I will put up Gerry senerio. Mars is now lying to Gerry about what was said during his conversation with Danielle. |
Realrealityfan | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 05:02 pm     Marc was just telling Lisa that Danielle is a "loose cannon"... |
C1mag | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 05:13 pm     He is lying to Gerry so that Gerry won't go to Dani and make a stink. If Dani was honest about giving Tonya the Veto, Marcellus still gets Josh on the chopping block. Now what does he do? 1) Hand the game back to the "in crowd" with only one solid voting buddy left in his corner? I don't think so! He would go down as the second stupidest player in reality game shows right next 2 Colby when you actually hold your own fate and you decide to be a sucer. OR...2) Piss on Dani's game plan but lead Dani to believe he is going to put up Gerry with Josh so that she will still Veto Tonya and keep Josh on the chopping block. Then suddenly put up someone like Eric, Roddy or Lisa who would beat Josh in a vote. Which would then protect Marcellus a bit longer with Gerry still in the house. The second plan is the only one that works for Marcellus and he knows it. If he puts Gerry out there he might as well pack the same day Gerry does. He's gonna play to stay in the game is what he is gonna do and not say a word about it. There is no need too at this point. Dani showed her true self. Like he said to her... "If you are screwing with me I will come after you" So, no matter what he may say the next couple of days I will not believe he is going to put Gerry up until it actually happens. He would be pulling himself out of the game if he chose to do this. |
Cameltoes | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 05:53 pm     These people are making me crazy! Danielle talking to Roddy about keeping Josh and Roddy says how keeping Josh in because he is so unpoular might be a good idea. Did they learn NOTHING from last year? |
C1mag | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 06:01 pm     Dani looks like a greedy fool. Listen to her talking to Roddy and Chiara. She is pathetic. She promised Marc she wouldn't say anything and here so goes babbling. All I can say is, Play her Marcellus. Just play her all the way too Monday and then put up Eri or Roddy to make sure Josh goes. It's obvious she will veto Tonya so he's still got a shot at popping Josh. Dani MUST GO!!!! |
Firebird05 | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 06:03 pm     I am crossing all my fingers and all my toes hoping you are right C1mag. If Mar plays this right he could reverse the big mistake he made by putting up Tonya against Josh. |
Cameltoes | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 06:06 pm     Boy do I want to see that happen just for the satisfaction of seeing the look on her trifling face. |