Ryanc2002 | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:12 pm     What a [dummy]...I don't care if he's said it a million frickin' times in conversation. To stand up there and say it... All he had to say was "I'm freeing you because I didn't feel right about it." Done, finished, over. But no..."I'm freeing you because I didn't feel right about it because my nomination was based on race and prejudice..." Oy... |
Kaili | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:16 pm     That won't get on the show- I highly doubt that it will anyway. And he wanted to be a good example to his students...sheesh. First it's the thing about men having to make decisions, now this... Gerry, Gerry, Gerry. You are not as bright as a teacher ought to be. I'm in college for Education and am SO glad that we have classes on this sort of thing! He must have become a teacher before they statred teaching about diversity, multiculturalism, acceptance, etc. |
Cameltoes | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:17 pm     I know.. it was totally unnecessary. Also, Danielle said last night that him using the race card really irritates her. It's one thing to piss off the 6 pack (who cares anyway) but why risk alienating someone like Danielle. |
Floresmama | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:19 pm     I agree Ryan, that was really dumb eventhough Josh had made alot of not very PC comments to label him a RACIST for one stupid comment and to imply that the group of 6 made the decission based on the fact the he Mar is gay and black is just ludicrous |
Ryanc2002 | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:22 pm     Even if he felt it, he didn't have to SAY IT!! |
Whit4you | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:23 pm     Gerry was saying earlier that he has wanted all his life to make a Martin King type speech and saw this as his chance. I don't know what he said during that meeting but his intentions I believe were good ones. HOWEVER - I totally agree with the 6 pack that he should not have any way lumped THEM in with this racial/sexual prejudice thing. Personally I think this is going to go beyond the show for Gerry - some of them like Roddy are very upset that this may come across to America like THEY are reacist and prejudice when they are not. Since I dont know what Gerry really said though - I dont know if his 'speech' really did implicate that they were all being racist / prejudice or if they are just afraid it's going to come across that way. |
Kaili | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:24 pm     And what about now Gerry talking about a mixed race foster child and how she had pretty, straight hair. Kind of reinforces the race issue while he's trying to cover his ass. Yeah, Gerry took in a mixed race child (good for him), of course her hair was "right" (as opposed to being curly). Ugh! I like him less and less and less... |
Curlyq | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:24 pm     Well, I wish I knew what he actually said and how he said it. I'm sure they'll show it on the air since he said it during the actual "ceremony". It sounds like it'll make for a pretty intense scene. Frankly, it's kind of hard to buy all this "How dare he imply that! Our generation isn't prejudiced!" garbage after they've made some fairly insensitive remarks over the past few days about black face and burning Jews. |
Ryn | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:25 pm     you sound like the Cool people Ryan. he was being honest and admitting that he, like most people have some predjudice. Notice that Marcel had no problem with it, matter of fact thats who he is talking to since the veto meeting. it probably was not the smartest thing to do, but at least he was honest, and willing to take the flack. I think he set a good example by standing up for his priciples. |
Keiffer | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:26 pm     In the end it was Lisa that made the nomminations. She said before that seh has actually had, or does have now a black roomate. Seems to me if she didn't like black people she wouldn't be living with any. If Gerry wants to come out and say "I'm racist, and that is the only reason I agreed with voting out Marcellas", then he can do that.... but for sure should not bring the whole group in on it. Gerry had better hope him, marcellas, Amy, and or maybe Daniel wins HoH this week, or he is gone. You know I get him wanting to make this big impact on the world by giving some sort of MLK speach, but that is only useful if you don't have to manufacture the crisis in the first place. |
Ryn | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:27 pm     Being 36... I guess I am betwen these two groups. But I find it laughable for them to sit there and talk about "OUR" generation and how "WE" are not as predjudice as "THIER" generation. Man - they sound pretty full of themseleves. |
Ryn | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:28 pm     I don't think the nomination was racially or sexually motivated, overall. I still have a problem with Josh, Amy and Roddy discussing how they are not predjudice. |
Ryanc2002 | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:30 pm     I have a problem with Josh saying he's not. The others...remains to be seen. |
Curlyq | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:32 pm     Doesn't it seem like the more people say they're not prejudiced the more it appears that they are? Especially if they start pulling out examples of all the minority friends and relations they have to prove they're not. That always seems so silly to me (not to mention transparent). |
Whit4you | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:38 pm     Curly no If Gerry did say or imply that the 6 pack put Marc up because they are racist, or prejudice they clearly would have reasons to make it clear they are not. If they DIDNT care about someone claiming they were racist or prejudice then yes that might make one think they are. |
Keiffer | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:40 pm     Curly that last statement is EXACTLY what Roddy was worried about. He said that all you ahve to do is say the word racists and it can ruin a persons life. See if they say nothing about then it is as if Gerry was right, and they are against Black people (if they really were it would have been Daniel against Marcellas). If they say how they are not, or defend themselves against the charges then some people will say things like "Doesn't it seem like the more people say they're not prejudiced the more it appears that they are? Especially if they start pulling out examples of all the minority friends and relations they have to prove they're not. That always seems so silly to me (not to mention transparent)." How do they win once the charge has been made? That is why Gerry should have never said anything at all about race. |
Cameltoes | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:40 pm     I agree Curly. It's not necessarily a bad thing to have certain views that have been formed (in part) by the society we live in. However, you have to be able to be aware of them and confront them within yourselves. I also hate the "I have a black friend" type defense. Nothing to say you can't have a diverse group of friends and still have prejudices. |
Kaili | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:43 pm     I think it's impossible to say that anyone isn't to some degree racist or homophobic, or whatever -ist or -phobic word you want to fill in. There's a difference from acting on it and feeling it. I don't view myself as "against" any other groups, but I am aware of other groups. For instance, if an Asian person is walking down the street I will notice conciously that they are Asian, or "unlike me". I would not conciously think "oh, here comes a white person" because I am a white person. That is singling out someone based on color/ethnicity- but it isn't racist of me to do that. I read a really good book for a class last semester called "Why are all the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria" and it brought up really interesting points. I know this is a bit off topic of racism and homophobia, but it is about differences. Possibly they voted to remove the "most different from themselves" person, but didn't view it as necessarily disciminatory. |
Ryn | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:44 pm     I have a feeling what Gerry said was that he himslef, upon reflection, feels he agreed on putting Marcel up for the wrong reasons. So he exercised his veto. He just went into more details for the reasons than some might say he needed to (that he felt he was being racist/homophobic). Bottom line is, to me, Gerry is probably one of the least 'racist' - 'homophobic' people in there. |
Karennw | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:45 pm     What self-rightous crap! I don't think Gerry even has white guilt - just feels good about himself accusing others of hatred. All-understanding white man here to save us! Glory glory glory! Drop this nonsense or give the money to the most pilitically correct receipient - one of the two. The constant "I'm not a rascist, maybe he/she was thinking it - maybe we should have a sensitivity class blah blah blah crap is making me sick. |
Dovedzwiek | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:47 pm     Oh PUUUUUULESE! JOSH decided that Marcellus was going to be the first to go. JOSH said it was because Marcellus was giving a NEGATIVE VIBE. THIS was BEFORE Marcellus was even out of the tree and did all his pouting and such that made him look badly to the others and unfortunatly his pouting and the fact that others don't seem to get his sense of humor, reinforced JOSH'S bull**** justification for choosing Marcellus to be the first to go. I think that JOSH is a racist and probably a homophobe and on top of all of that..it's not enjoyable at the least to look at him. I like Lisa and I'm praying that she sees the errors of her ways and becomes the leader of the "Nesters" because whoever follows JOSH any further is following a fool. OK..I feel better! |
Zachsmom | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:47 pm     But when you say "Some of my best friends are black" doesn't prove you AREN'T prejudice.. who knows the reason why you have "Black" friends? If anyone confronted me and called me a racist.. I would never make the "Some of my .." statement.. I would ask for specific actions on my part that led the person to believe that I was prejudiced.. |
Mslyegirl | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:48 pm     I don't know. Josh is really shady and I think there were less elements of racism but more of homosexcism (if that is a word). He was looking for an easy target. Granted Marc's attitude didn't help him, but the talk about black face. I am definitely not a fan of Josh's and I think has some serious issues. |
Willsfan | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:49 pm     Okay, I just came online. What happened?!!! I know Gerry vetoed Marcellas but who did Lisa nominate. Tell me PLEASE... I have to go out of town in a few minutes and can't read the live feeds to catch up. *sob* |
Mslyegirl | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:50 pm     Lisa nomed Amy as the sacraficial lamb to assure Lori goes |