Archive through July 14, 2002
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Archive through July 14, 2002
Sanfranjoshfan | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 04:39 pm     Maybe if they allowed the nominees to veto their own nominations (if they won the veto challenge) it would have made a difference, too. I think that would have made the whole veto thing a lot more interesting. Fr'instance, if Marc or Lori had won, they would veto their own nominations FOR SURE, thus REALLY throwing a monkey wrench in the plan....also, the ones that knocked themselves out first might've tried harder in order to protect Lisa's nominations...especially if they are allied with her. I know that wouldn't have applied this time, but it would make for some excitement in the future. |
Skol | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 05:06 pm     Lori showed some class by aiming at Gerry rather than Marc at the end. She could have saved herself, but chose not to put him in that position. She may be weird, but at least she doesn't put herself first. The mark of a mother. |
Wilsonatmd | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 05:12 pm     I think the reason Lori did that was because she knew Marc wouldn't veto her out...she thought at least w/ Gerry she might have a chance. Based on what I've seen...I think it won't matter if Gerry vetos or not...Lori's attitude have basically sealed her fate. Lisa will pick someone else not in the group of six (Amy I would think) and they'll vote out Lori if Gerry vetos..and I think he will veto Marcellus out, but then if someone in the group of six wins HOH and veto...I think Gerry is out the next week if he does it.... |
Weinermr | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 05:18 pm     Gerry will alienate one or many by using the veto this round. His smartest move would be to simply not use it. That is what I think he will do. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 05:26 pm     apparently the veto does in fact throw a wrench into things because otherwise the "in crowd" wouldn't be freaking right now about it. I guess some are missing the point of how it screws with strategy. If you and your group have a set pecking order and someone throws a wrench into that potential order you are challenged to come up with a plan B. Obviously the "in crowd" really doesn't have a plan B so the Veto really does cause a stir. The one person you wanted out gets out of a nomination and the possability of winning the next HOH and putting your group on the block. Your threat was given another chance. The other question is... Who do you replace with that veto? If you put up one of your people against the other person still nominated, will the new nominee prevail or get booted? Remember you would be giving up a vote durring evictions because the nominee's don't vote. Even if you pick someone different from the other side and you peck the other sides group out you still are vulnerable to the real person you were going after because they were pulled out of nominations . Are you sure that new person could win or lose in an eviction vote? In other words, it causese you too create multiple sub alliances and multiple scenarios which is mind consuming and can drive you crazy. Thats the point of this game. Lock them up and make them go crackers. Hasn't anyone been listening? All the "in crowd" has said is if Gerry vetos then they will be pissed and treat him like crap. Now if you are soooooo sure you control this game you wouldn't be upset. Apparently it screws with your control and pecking order. The person doing the veto tells you that you don't have them controled and they have also eliminated your prime target for eviction. Two people to worry about in the future who could win the next HOH and get you on that block. This is something that this group hasn't realized yet. Your game is not as structured and controled with the veto. The power of the veto is probably even more powerful because you can change the whole game plan by eliminating the one person that they were going after. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 05:32 pm     Hey Weinermr he is going to do it. I listened to his conversation with Amy and Marc and he is definitely doing it. Why would he be in fear of alienation from a group he knows would never let him near the grand prize? He's not a fool. He see's the score. He has a much better chance with a new group to vote with. He owes them nothing and would look like a fool knowing they had just used him to get rid of a threat to them and then turn around and boot him sooner rather than later. He will veto and if he doesn't he would be the BIGGEST idiot to ever play this game. To not veto would be suggesting he is playing to get them the prize. You have to think beyond the facade that one group is going to control this thing from beginning to end and always be aware of ALL of your options. He's a teacher for God sakes. He can take the flack they will give him for smoothing the game out to his benefit. |
Alegria | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 07:30 pm     So if Gerry exercises the veto and Lisa has to nominate a replacement won't she be living with TWO people with grudges agains her (besides the third one that gets voted out next week)? |
Mystery | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 07:47 pm     Kaili I love your idea about not telling the HGs what the challenge is for. Reminds me of growing up in Massachusetts and on Saturdays my father would take us 6 kids out to give my mother a break. The bad part was that you never knew where you'd end up, so we always went, on the 1% chance that it might be to go get ice cream. Usually it was something lame like going to watch the New England Patriots practice (and this was in the 1960s and 1970s when no one even went to watch the Pats play actual games.....)
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Cameltoes | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 07:59 pm     C1 I have yet to understand why the Six Pack cares about the veto. It's not really that big of a deal to have to change their pecking order. Marcellas and Amy are tight enough that getting rid of either is to their advantage. So they can't get rid of M, they get rid of Amy. Big deal. Marcellas and Amy have it figured out completely. In discussing who they would evict they simply say if one is vetoed they will replace that person with another Six Packer. It's interesting to me that the Six Pack acts so paranoid about it all. |
Seamonkey | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:04 pm     They want Gerry (and everyone else) to toe the line, do their bidding.. They want Marcellas out because Marcellas openly said, and it was reported back to the self-appointed "powers" that Marcellas would use HOH if he got it to put up two of the powers... they feel that they have way more control over Lori. They can make Lori seem crazy or be crazy at will. I wish I did know what Gerry will do.. I hope he protects Marcellas. I hope Lisa does then put up Josh (they feel he is totally safe). And if this comes to pass, I hope enough people come to their senses and boot Josh out the door. |
Loppes | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:04 pm     Mystery, I agree as I was also disappointed they targetted themselves. I hope it doesn't defeat the purpose of veto power. If Gerry doesn't use his veto to play safe, it will set a bad precedent. Especially if he discusses it with Lisa. Let's consider, Lisa made her decision to nominate the two, without Gerry's input. He is weak if he talks with her on who to veto if anyone. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:10 pm     It is a big deal to them not to be able to get rid of the bigger threat when they want too and it sends a message to them that they aren't in control of every single move. Lori leaving was not the plan. They think she is a fluff head and wouldn't align with anyone in particular. Marc was the one to go after and with him back in the game with a veto they have failed their first test of power. They didn't control the veto and they didn't control the final outcome of the first vote. It's a very big deal. They had to get rid of Marc or Gerry in order to have complete power. Both are staying. It doesn't matter if either Amy or Lori were to leave. They'd still feel threatned by two more stronger players for HoH and that veto power. |
Cameltoes | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:11 pm     They are just plain dumb if they don't realize that Marcellas is not the only person in that house who would target them. |
C1mag | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:16 pm     Sea I'm telling you I clearly heard Gerry say to Marc today when they were playing cards that he (marc) doesn't have to worry anymore. He is safe after tomorrow. Then the conversation was nothing but about who they would eliminate from the "in crowd" so that this game would be played on a more even scale. Gerry is going to veto and he is going to veto Marcellus. |
Seamonkey | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:18 pm     Oh and to answer another question.. not only does Gerry have to announce if and who he vetos on monday, but Lisa has to nominate someone immediately if he does use the veto. She's pretty freaked about that |
Seamonkey | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:20 pm     I do hope Gerry holds to what he said, C1, but everytime I think Gerry's a straight shooter he sorta bursts my bubble talking to someone else. |
Ladytex | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:24 pm     exactly, Seamonkey, I don't trust him. I think he is playing both ends against the middle. I guess we will find out tomorrow |
Cathie | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:29 pm     Maybe the bigger question now is who would Lisa nominate in his place? I can almost see her nominate Amy, with the thought that she is one they plan to get rid of soon anyway. She can't nominate Gerry, won't likely nominate Jason or Danielle at this point, and I can't see her risking one of the mighty 6 yet... |
C1mag | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:31 pm     Don't you get Gerry at all? He's taunting them by being friendly to them. They are dying to know what he is going to do and all he does is visit with them ( the "in crowd" ) and they wait and wait and wait to see if he will let it out. He's playing their game and shoving it in their face. All those "in crowd" people have run around that house smiling and visiting with these people and then talking about nailing them behind their backs. Gerry gets it and he's doing the same and they could never say he rubbed it in their faces. I think it's great. Tomorrow night is gonna be LOTS of fun! He would NEVER have a chance at that prize with those people. He knows this and will not allow them to control both the veto and the voting. He'd be a sucker. Is he a sucker? Not even close to it. |
Kappy | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:33 pm     Totally agree with all your points, C1. Also agree though with Seamonkey as to not exactly believing Gerry won't change his mind again between now and then. Either way ~ I like this monkey wrench that's been thrown into the game!  |
C1mag | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:49 pm     Sorry to dominate this thread but Cathie last night Eric said to Lisa that it would be best to nominate someone from the "in crowd" side so that it looked like the others weren't being targeted so put Josh up for appearances as they believed Josh would beat Lori in a vote. |
Kaili | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:53 pm     I sincerely doubt this will happen but imagine this scenario. Gerry convinces all that he will veto the Marcellas nomination. Lisa plans accordingly by nominating a person specifically to be up against lori. At the last second, Gerry says I veto Lori's nomination. Now Lisa has no time to consult her people and has planned only for a person to put up against Lori. Now, right there on the spot she has to decide who to put up against Marcellas instead. Would this make a difference in who she nominates, or would she use the same person against Marcellas as she would against Lori? |
Cathie | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 08:54 pm     Thanks, C1mag, but is Josh more comfortable with this now than he was on nomination day? I know he quickly retreated from his original offer to go against Marcellas. I guess nominating Josh would definitely give Lori the message that she is a goner, huh? |
Wilsonatmd | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 09:09 pm     C1mag, if they did that, they would be making a huge mistake. You need 5 votes to evict, and putting someone from the group would leave only 4 definite votes for Lori. If Gerry and Marcellus can get the other 3 to vote for whoever, not only would the group of 6 member be out, they would be in the minority unless they win HOH, and it would be only a 40% chance of that happening (as Lisa wouldn't be eligible). If they lost that, most likely 2 more of the group of 6 would be nominated, and even if one of them got the veto, most likely another one of the group would be put up anyway. No....put up someone like Amy, vote Lori out, and then the odds are 50/50 for HOH. If Gerry vetoes, it then comes down to the renomination. If he doesn't veto, the Group of six are OK. If he does, Lisa has the key to the first half of the game in her hands. |
Chyang | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 09:28 pm     C1, please point me to the LFP wherehe discussion among Lisa, Eric and others. Not that I don't believe you, I'd just rather read things before and after that as well. I don't have a pc strong enough to take RealOne, but I do trust our hard working LF posters.(Thank you!!XOXO) I've read all your reasons but I still don't trust Gerry will see through all the crap and do the thing we want. Did you see him on the show last night when he admit he was working and befriending everyone to increase his little chance? I'm not sure he realize that the beautiful guys had been fooling him when they talked w/ him about "guys sticking together".. or when they seemed to agree w/ his "women ain't team players". Or, even if he already got the gest that he might be included in the pack of six, Gerry stricks me as the kind who would be happy to be one of the last seven with a slim chance to move up. Some where some poster also seemed to believe Gerry is going to save Lori according to what he'd told Lori. See, he's being more than two-faced. I'm not looking down on his game playing, If I were in there I'd probably do even worse logic-sounding moves. I just don't think he'd rather do a somewhat not so safe move right now. Again, not that I doubt you, but how come the other club members didn't celebrate when that conversation happened about Lisa puttint Josh up in the event of Gerry flexing his veto power? |
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