Archive through July 14, 2002
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Oregonfire | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 09:35 pm     Okay, let's all gang up on the "Jezebel" all at once. The U.S. IS remarkably prudish about sexuality. I think we could all stand to loosen up a bit before slapping labels on a "loose" woman. And I AM a feminist! |
Kmjm | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 09:47 pm     Me too, Oregonfire. I wish I had seen that on the live feeds. Who looked dumber, the two women or the men? I did see the "commercial", which I thought was quite funny. |
Ryanc2002 | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 09:49 pm     Ya'll are all on the girls, but I have one question. Did the guys walk away? |
Ladytex | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 09:51 pm     You're right ryan, it is a double standard ... I guess we expect the guys to be ho's ... LOL |
Moondance | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 09:52 pm     I don't know... I saw it and found it amusing how the men were mesmerized. I think the men looked just as foolish falling for it. JMO |
Maris | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 09:52 pm     No they didnt Ryan, they were laughing along and egging them on. It was Josh that suggested the Shaving cream. Watching it I just thought he was insulting them and goofing on them. |
Crossfire | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 10:04 pm     It would have been priceless if the men had walked. ooOOo, that would have been good. |
Jhezzie | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 10:06 pm     I don't mind a bit of flirting and fooling around, but I didn't plan on watching "Girls Gone Wild." |
Onlyhuman | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 10:09 pm     Ryan, Ladytex, if I remember correctly, last year people were horrified that the men in the house planned to control the women through sex. (Not that they were successful, but that's another story...lol) Women using sex to control men is not liberated. For centuries, that has been the only tool women have. What is disappointing to me is that these women don't seem to feel that they can win this game on the merits of their intelligence or people skills. They feel the only way to win the game is to use their bodies and to tear down the women who do not do the same. IMHO, all of Chiara's relationships in the house are based on sex. It seems to be her way of being accepted. She said something to Roddy last night about feeling that she HAS to act a certain way. She has a need for approval and using sex to get it. That's not liberated, that's desperate. |
Maris | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 10:11 pm     I agree 100% onlyhuman. |
Willsfan | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 10:16 pm     Chiara has realized Roddy is the one to tag along with. The power of two. Remember Nicole and Will? Of course, I liked Nicole and I am starting to really dislike Chiara. |
Oregonfire | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 10:31 pm     Apparently the British BB is much wilder sexwise...yet that country somehow has managed to have a Female Head of State.(Margaret Thatcher) The U.S. had yet to reach that goal. Hmm. Maybe more latitude needs to be given to women on BOTH ends of the spectrum, from raunchy porn star to political leader, in order for women to be truly liberated. Keeping sex in the closet and perpetuating the "Virgin/Sleaze" duality is not a great idea in my book. Then again, maybe does have it's benefits. Madonna (the Virgin)and Britney Spears (the virgin) have manipulated the masses, and are today two of the world's richest women. They have played that duality to the hilt. I'm not saying that sexuality is the "best" form of power, but it IS one form of it, for women AND men. Don't tell me some women didn't vote for Bill Clinton partially because of his "bad boy" quality. Don't you think that the "withholding" of sex is a form of power? How is that somehow better form of power than flaunting your sexuality? Don't people buy into and are manipulated to a ridiculous extent by virgin power? And listening to Chiara talk, she's mentioned many other hings besides sex; she actually seems surprisingly traditional and level-headed. I'm willing to give her a chance. Eveyone's entitled to their own opinion for sure, but I would hope she wouldn't be judged for some trashy sex talk and some shaving cream. Who cares? it's just sex.  |
Loppes | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 10:32 pm     Hunter, I read your post and agree. The women I date have self respect. It's sexually arousing for a man to watch two women in a shower. Not all the men watched. I would probably make a joke, and leave the room. I am embarassed for Tonya and Chiara exhibiting themselves on video. Though my taste in women doesn't include strippers at the best of times. |
Muse | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 10:55 pm     Chiara on the live feeds: She suggests that they need to try to find a game that "the virgin" can play. I'm sorry, but ugh. I wouldn't care if a man or woman said that. Constantly singling Jason out and being condescending towards him because he's a virgin is obnoxious, especially when he's not flaunting it or even bringing it up. He told her that it embarasses him, and she keeps doing it. (Btw - anyone who mentioned *anything* as much as Chiara mentions sex and Jason being a virgin would irritate me. Obsessed much?) |
Onlyhuman | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 11:03 pm     Oregonfire, you're right about sex being a form of power, but only if people choose to use it as such. I discovered while watching Oz BB2 that I AM somewhat of a prude, in that I figure sex is a personal thing. Not something to be hidden or considered dirty, but not something that necessarily has to be shared with the rest of the world. The thing about Chiara is that at times she seems relatively intelligent and capable of talking about things other than sex, particularly when other people make it clear they don't want to talk about it. Tonight, Danielle steered the conversation towards some serious topics and she participated quite actively. That did not stop her from behaving in a very crude manner (flashing her crotch at them to show she was wearing underwear) and initially trying to steer the conversation and activities toward something sexual. Ultimately, I thought the 5 "losers" ended up having quite and interesting conversation and I learned some intriguing things about Chiara. But take Danielle out of the picture and Chiara immediately slips to the sex stuff. I don't know if it's her insecurity (she's spoken about not liking her body) or what, but that seems to be where she is most comfortable, which is a disappointment to me. It reeks of a desperation to be seen as "cool" or "out there", exposing her insecurities rather than displaying her strengths. |
Oregonfire | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 11:22 pm     In that case, Onlyhuman, maybe she does have some issues! I still like her though, and think that "sex talk" issue is interesting. Now we can delve into why she feels the need to be sexual all the time! Hmmm... BTW, I used to have a friend who was a virgin that talked about sex all the time to guys. She actually discussed with them the size of my breasts or something. I was like "Huh?" Personally, I'd rather be having sex than talking about it! I think it's a pretty boring topic myself. |
Ryanc2002 | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 11:23 pm     You know what they say? If you spend all your time talking about it you're probably not doing it. |
Onlyhuman | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 11:30 pm     Oregonfire, Chiara is not one of my favorites (but then no one in the house is) and I have seen her in some interesting one-on-one conversations but when she's in a group, especially with men around, I find her behavior offputting. And Ryan, I agree, she's done a lot of talk to the men, but no action so far. |
Oregonfire | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 11:43 pm     That's okay, Onlyhuman--everyone is not going to like each HG to the same degree. Just part of the game. I was just bothered but the harshly judgemental tone of some of the above posts. I guess "a lot of sex talk" is just not my hot button issue. Some posters also seem bothered that she looked so innocent, a girl next door type, and she proved not to be. |
Bernie | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 12:47 am     Excuse me, Oregonfire, but I'd just like to make a slight correction to your British comment. Youy're right in saying that the British have a female Head of State, but she happens to be Queen Elizabeth II. Margaret Thatcher was the leader of the Tory party, who happened to win elections, and therefore became head of the governing party, and thus, THE QUEEN'S Prime Minister. The British do not have a republican form of government, but a constitutional monarchy, and as such, the King or Queen is always the Head of State. The leader of the governing party is not the same as a President, and cannot to anything he or she wants to do. I don't want to start any kind of argument here, since I'm an expatriot Briton, who has lived in Canada for 35 years, but I've read many times, in American sources, that the reason for the perhaps more narrow-minded view of sex in the US derives from the founders, who were of course, Puritans. Regarding Chiara, her behaviour is, to say the least, sleazy, and her treatment of Jason is very offensive. It's a pity that her emotional intelligence is so much more immature and undeveloped than her intellectual level. She certainly doesn't do herself any favours. One cannot ever know for certain what kind of soul anyone has, and can only judge by the external evidence, which is, of course, that soul's behaviour towards others. |
Oregonfire | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 12:53 am     No problem, Bernie. Thanks for the correction. I didn't know the exact terminology. I knew I'd get called on details if I took the discussion to another level! |
Kapow | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:17 am     Trash is trash. Unfortunately this year on BB3 we seem to have more than our fair share - both men and women. It is trashy to have a "hot lesbo moment" on national tv and even more so to do it because you are trying to impress the guys. Add in the fact that one of the trashy girls is the mother of 5? Perhaps the US was started by Puritans. Such is not the case anymore - take a look at Jerry Springer and Court TV. And I am not easily offended. But I am offended by the behavior of these two, especially as they made fun of Amy for not joining in. I guess what really bugs me is the fact that these girls have such a low self esteem level that they feel that this is a way to pump themselves up. My heart goes out to Tonya's kids. And my message to her poor kids is - please don't try to be like your mother. PS - please don't bash me for the use of the word "lesbo". It was used in the context of girls trying to turn men on by acting lesbian, not really being so. No offense meant. |
Bernie | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:30 am     S'okay, Oregonfire :-) I'm just being the teacher-librarian: gotta get those details right! I just got the free 14 day Realplayer download, and now I don't have an icon to click on, for Realplayer, so I have to go to the CBS website, and I can't get the darn thing to move over on my screen so I can close my favourites box, etc. I'm feeling PEEVED, instead of interested in the screen action! snarl, grumble, grizzle :-{ |
Oregonfire | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:39 am     Hi Bernie! I got the 14-day too, but the icon showed up automatically. If you go under your program files, you should be able to go to the Real One file and right-click for a pop up menu. Click on "shortcut" to create a shortcut on your desktop. Good luck! |
Bernie | Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:51 am     Hey, that's so nice of you! I just did what you said, and although I still don't have an icon, which I had with my previous Realplayer, now I do have a shortcut, so I can get there easily now. Thanks so much :-D (I really must go and review how to do the smileys again ;-0) |
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