Archive through July 16, 2002
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In semi-defense of Tonya...:
Archive through July 16, 2002
Eliz87 | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:03 pm     I have been reading a lot of comments on this board about Tonya being shallow, self-absorbed, etc. First of all, I'm not saying that she ISN'T all of these things...BUT...she is also a 35-year-old woman with five (F-I-V-E) children. That means that she has probably NOT had the opportunities (especially financial) open to her that other women her age have, and therefore she is obsessed about it. I have known other girls who have either married and had children earlier than they should have and/or who have too many children (more than they can handle), and they also present themselves this way, with oneupmanship (is that a word? heh) and such. No, I'm not saying that ALL women who find themselves in such a situation are this way, but some are. Conversely, let me say that no one placed her in this position. She has made her decisions, etc. However, this is just the situation she happens to be in. Now: Who knows what the financial status of her ex is? It's very telling that he had to make payments on her breast implants. I'm not sure precisely how much those babies may have cost, but they are probably $5,000 or less. That's not pocket change, but then it's not an extreme amount of money, so in that he's still making payments tells us that he's not exactly rolling in the dough. (What I WOULD like to know is, what was her reason for getting them? Is she using them as a springboard -- okay bad choice of words lol -- for her adult entertainment career?) Another point: This new "pimp daddy" (as Amy puts it) that Tonya has found can probably provide her with a little more financially than her ex could, and I think right now Tonya is just spinning. She's probably spent a good majority of her life poor and now she's trying to "keep up with the Joneses" so to speak, and compete in her own (sad) way with these free-spirited, younger girls (who have wild flings with millionaires with houses in the Hamptons, live a free-spirited lifestyle in L.A., etc.). The problem is that they can see right through her too. Take a closer look at Tonya. Does she really look like a person who has lived a life full of privilege and happiness? I think not. False bravado and insecurity is what this woman is all about, I believe. I think that if Tonya were not in this environment, she would be perceived as a much more likeable person. And unfortunately for Tonya (and possibly for us), her newfound "friends" will most likely be rid of her before we get the chance to know the "real" Tonya. |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:09 pm     Look, no one handed her those 5 kids... "Here: They're yours." She "earned" them, so to be quite honest I don't feel sorry for her. |
Lurknomore | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:15 pm     I'll grant you a lot of what you say up to the last paragraph. I think this IS who Tonya is. I think she has proven this by her talk of how she uses people etc. And what she wants to gain from them. I get a sense of someone who is used to getting what she wants and stomps around and demands it until she gets it. She has told several stories like that. Anyone who can buy a $4,000 cat doesn't impress me as being too hard up. I think between her men and the "adult entertainment" which I've heard can pay VERY well, that she has kept well lined pockets. Truthfully I don't get the 5 kids things. Even when she speaks of them I don't hear a lot of Mommy affection. Money sure doesn't buy class, and she impresses me as someone who has found several ways to get the former with NO attempt at the latter. |
Eliz87 | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:15 pm     You're quite correct Ryan. That is why I included the following in my post: "Conversely, let me say that no one placed her in this position. She has made her decisions, etc. However, this is just the situation she happens to be in." :-) I just feel a little sorry for her. Her decisions are her own and she has made her bed, but the fact is that she has been saddled with kids for quite some time with a husband who couldn't provide her with all that she wanted. Now she's trying to "turn back time" I think and present herself as a "wild party chick" which she's really not (I think!!). |
Zachsmom | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:16 pm     My great-grandmother had 13 live births..she never had breast implants..nor did she prance around in a bathing suit ... This isn't about "money"..it's about her perception that she isn't good enough.. and that these "things" make her a better person.. I don't know what type of circle she runs around in ..but in my circle..my friends (whether male or female) don't judge my value by the size of my breats.. I don't "hate" Tonya..I don't "dislike" Tonya.. I pity her..and wish she would find one person that would get to know and value HER! |
Halfunit | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:16 pm     Well financial talk aside, I cannot feel sympathy for a woman who tells two other women to put "swirls" in the peanut butter they are spreading between her legs, just weeks before her kids go to school... I can see it now... little Johnny asking Tonya's daughter if the PB in her PB&J sandwich is her Mommy's special blend.... Sympathy? Not here... sorry. |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:18 pm     Eliz87 - If you saw last night's American Pie 3 in the living room you'd know that she'll have 10 kids by 45...LOL...or at least she will if she ain't careful. |
Tweepee | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:26 pm     I get a little tired of the prevailing American attitude that if you've got a family, you're automatically somehow pure, hard-working, or worth more than people who don't have kids. I'm always hearing politicians and the like praise the values of the "working family" or whatever. You can be single and be an incredibly honorable person, and you can have kids and still be a selfish git. Tonya proves daily that she cares mostly about herself. The fact she's a mom--or conjecture about how she got to where she is--may explaing WHY she is the way she is, but it doesn't get her off the hook. |
Abigail1970 | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:31 pm     Halfunit - it was just a fun competition. I don't think she realizes or anyone realizes that their breasts are now on the net for all to see. That was a complete faux pau and I can't believe BB let that happen. I admire Tonya for having 5 children and looking as she does. Fake boobs or not, she looks good. There are many people who feel that having fake, big boobs makes them feel good about themselves, more power to them. That doesn't make me personally feel good but that's just me. To each his own. I agree with Eliz, she has probably not had alot in her life and is trying to live it up right now. JMHO |
Halfunit | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:35 pm     Abigail - so what you're saying is that Tonya's not responsible for her actions? It's Big Brother's fault? I just want to make sure I understand you correctly. I never said she looks bad, I just think she has incredibly poor judgement and obviously does not think of ramifications of her activities - fun competition or otherwise. |
Abigail1970 | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:35 pm     Also, if anyone has time, can you please explain to me why you think Tonya is self-centered and only cares about herself? Because she got a boob job? I read the live feeds and I haven't gotten that impression. Thanks! |
Twiggyish | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:36 pm     Why even mention her children? She doesn't talk much about them. They don't even live with her. Her priorities are owning things and her cat. I don't care how supposedly good she looks, it doesn't improve her in my opinion. |
Abigail1970 | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:37 pm     Halfunit - Yes, I am definitely saying it is Big Brother's fault.. I am sure they signed something that said they would not broadcast them naked on the net. That is like have a live porn show. The fact that they let all those pics through is what I have a problem with. Why didn't they go to the FOTH like they do whenever something else happens no one is suppose to see? |
Micknrc | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:40 pm     Every discussion out of Tonya's mouth re: her first two marriages has been about what she demanded her husbands get for her. A $4,000 cat, a $14,000 ring, not one but TWO boob jobs. She also claims (REPEATEDLY, she needs them to believe)she could have a millionaire fiance anytime she wants but loves the bf(Dave is it? I'm getting them all confused), but it's apparent from how she talks of him that it's not like he doesn't have plenty of money to keep her happy. (and it's clear that she hasn't ruled out the millionaire option for the future --you know, basically a married prostitute arrangement) She gave birth to 5 children--she isn't caring for them. I feel it's quite possible that they are mere accessories to her life and attention getting mechanisms, like a $4,000 cat. Which is probably why her ex took them. If she is fighting for custody, why is she in there (wild horses couldn't drag me away from my kids in that same situation) and what will a judge say when the ex shows the internet pix? Teen to tonya's kid on the playground: "hey, I saw your mom naked on the internet with other chick slathering peanut butter on her cho cho." And I'm not a prude--the graphic stuff doesn't bother me at all, but it's like enough already with the sex talk--it's just getting boring now...Roddy is cool about this b/c at least he TRIES to have an interesting convo once in a while, too bad Arnie gave him so few candidates to have it with... Frankly she is the kind of woman who burns my a$$ the most. It's all about her hair, nails, where she buys her froufrou hooker outfits and OMG my friend has the cutest shop, and I've got six sex toys next to my bed (more toys than kids), and I only buy the best, I made one of my exhusbands get the expensive bed, why of course I brought nail glue! (I've never owned nail glue! NTTAWWT) She is ignorant of basic english words (granted, she's not alone in that with this group). Women who are ill-educated yet think their poo doesn't stink b/c they've got $10,000 worth of silicon in their chest give women a bad name. And I'm usually the type of person who shrugs and embraces the gorgeous diversity of the planet but that attitude just makes me nuts.... Her worst offense by far, however, has been that everytime someone starts to say something and others actually seem interested, she has to interrupt them with more boring trivial crap about HER, b/c after all, isn't it really just Tonya's world and they're just breathing her air? God forbid 5 minutes elapses in which she's not being paid attention to by the other HGs at all costs. As another thread puts it she's a chronic "one-upper." I think out of the house she is exactly what she seems....if I knew her, she is definitely not the type I'd want to hang with or go out for a beer after work with. I'd feel too awful having to tell her to shut up already about how much everything she wheedled out of some man in her life cost. whew rant done, can you tell she's not my favorite? |
Eliz87 | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:40 pm     Twiggy, a possible explanation might be that she understands that people without kids don't like to hear a person WITH kids rambling on about them! Remember how annoying Karen was, always talking about her children? I mean, honestly, who cares? |
Halfunit | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:42 pm     Abigail - there has been nudity this year as well as the past years. The HG's know exactly what they are getting into when they sign up. They just choose to be in denial when it serves their own interests. The girls even said that the internet is probably getting a kick out of this... I will never understand why people can't take responsibilty for their own actions. That is why we are such a big "not me / not my kid" society... ok, I'm off my soapbox now. |
Ryanc2002 | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:43 pm     I doubt very seriously BB ever promised to not broadcast them naked on the net. |
Lurknomore | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:44 pm     Abigail, have you watched any of the feeds??? If you have, then the answer is self-explanatory. If you don't have em, TRUST US. (or get the free trial and experience it for yourself). |
Tweepee | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:44 pm     Well put, MickNRC. That should explain why many of us see her as selfish... One really has to get the feeds to understand her special brand of emptiness. |
Halfunit | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:46 pm     Micknrc - amen !! |
Abigail1970 | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:47 pm     Mick - that was too funny!! You had me laughing! I can agree with some of the things you are saying but my main point is that just veiwing these guys/girls for 12 weeks playing a game doesn't mean we know what they are 'really' like. We can speculate but that's about it. I think she's alright but I totally respect your opinion about 'those' type of women. I think Lisa and her friendship is kind of cute too. Cho cho, that is a good one!!!! |
Eliz87 | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:48 pm     Well, Mick, think about this: How ISN'T it impressive that she has more sex toys than children? hehehehehe (kidding, kidding, kidding) |
Abigail1970 | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:51 pm     Uh-oh, I'm getting yelled at!! No, I have already said I don't watch the live feeds but I read them. Sometimes there is so much that I skim. I must have missed the part about the internet getting a kick out of this. That is pretty messed up. I personally could have went without seeing their breasts. |
Lurknomore | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:52 pm     Half you hit on one of my personal favorite real world rants...Personal Responsibility! This issue, and the fact that so many folks refuse to take it, is one of my pet peeves in the world. Everyone is always looking for others to blame, or make it their fault. I may be no angel but I at least try to own my actions. And if things aren't working I will look to see if I am playing a role in it. For example my misery with BB. I could turn it off, but being addicted I am choosing to stay. Therefore, this torture really is MY fault not Arnie's. NAW this IS his fault hehe |
Twiggyish | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:53 pm     Eliz, she isn't too considerate of speaking about other topics *gagging* (sex, boyfriend, ex-husband, cat, money..blah blah blah). LOL her toys! |
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