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The ClubHouse: General Discussion Archives: Archive Three: Banner Discussion: Archive through July 14, 2002

Pamy

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Azriel, now don't you protesters go there, please stay here and hash it out

Cassandra

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ok, i have to have my opinion. I am completely for the banners. Whether they are good or bad ones doesn't matter. They can be to mess with the houseguests or to encourage them. The houseguests may or may not realize what they signed up for, but they did ultimately sign up for this. The show producers mess with the houseguests constantly, that's what the game is about. The great part of BB1 was the interaction with America, the audience. They are who this show is being made for. The interaction is missing this season and you can tell the difference. Now for my point in posting....GO BANNERS. GO ANGELS!!! I WANT MORE. LOL =-)

Twiggyish

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If they don't want banners, move the house to a remote location. It's impossible to completely cut them off from the rest of the world, when the house is located in Los Angeles. (Just my opinion)

Ryanc2002

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cassandra - I'm all for posting your opinions but lemme make a suggestion, Change "We want more." to "I want more."

Misslibra

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Twig, and you forgot to add so conveniently near a Airport.

Cassandra you had it right WE want more! :)

Cassandra

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hmmm...never saw were I said "we" in my post at all. I would never speak for everyone, like i said it is MY opinion.
(but your comment is yours to make like mine was)
;)

Cameltoes

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The nature of BB makes interaction as a viewer very appealing. For me, it's because everything is happening real time as opposed to other shows where it's already been taped. You almost feel like a 13th houseguest and you want your say in things. I didn't think I would miss the banners as they got to be so crazy last time but I do miss them. It all boils down to what your perspective on the show is. There are so many reality shows where you sit back and watch things unfold it's fun to have one that is different. Thank goodness American Idol is around to fulfill that role for me right now.

Misslibra

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 02:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh Cassandra so you didn't say WE... my bad. I'll say we or at least some of us. :)

Cassandra

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 03:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Misslibra...my comment was more for Ryan
WE (u and me with others) love the banners. GMTA

Bastable

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 09:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've been rethinking my banner stance over the past few hours. I'm beginning to feel like I don't support them anymore... (wow! surprise!) Two reasons jumped out at me:

1) There may be some very important psychological reasons that the producers have for keeping banners away from the contestants. I mean, how many of us have been sealed in a prison-like setting, surrounded by potential enemies, no privacy, afraid that everything we say and do may ruin our lives in the outside world... etc? We can't BEGIN to fathom the psychological pressure of living in that kind of situation... only prison inmates and concentration camp victims can! When I think of the way the banners made Nicole crack in half last season (and George, to a lesser extent, the season before), the more I think that we're far too cavalier and thoughtless in flying them. We have SEEN the damage they can do to these peoples' stability. The show employs psychologists (NOT Dr. Drew) to protect the emotional health of the contestants. Perhaps banning banners isn't for production reasons, but for the health of the players.

2) Maybe the desire to fly banners comes out of a desire for any anonymous fan to feel famous for 15 minutes... to feel like they're affecting something big. That idea kind of scares me... it's kind of sad, too. It suddenly seems akin to stalking, to something unhealthy... Why is the game so hard to enjoy without feeling like you have to be a PART of it, have to control it? ... isn't Big Brother about isolation from influences? Is flying a banner REALLY true to that?

These are my ideas... all new. Any thoughts?

Ryanc2002

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 09:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's what I've been trying to say all day Bastable. I'm just, like, not good at expressing things. Scary thing: I'm setting myself up, kissing ass and taking classes to become a lawyer! And I can't get a point across? God help the legal system!

Loppes

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 11:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why are people ganging up on this Moondance person. If its fun for them let them do it. BB3 is a fun show, if people live close to the house its great for them to try contact the houseguests. I say go for it Moondance and Angels.
People always give money to charities. Does this mean I should cancel my live feeds and give that money to charities too? It makes no sense, apples and oranges. People need to lighten up.
I hope I have not offended anyone, I read this whole folder and laughed, now I am waiting for a report.
Lon

Penpoint

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 11:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bastable, thanks for really thinking through this issue and getting to the essence of it.

Maris

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 11:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wasn't saying I thought the people who flew the banners were wrong. I just dont like how by the time the show ended I felt like I spent $24.00 to watch a japanese garden and annoying music. There were just too many banners which meant Front of the House. Some of the banners were downright nasty and cruel, not fun at all.

I think Bastable has it right, its people trying to get their 15 minutes of fame.

Loppes

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 11:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris,
The whole show is based on nasty and cruel. If you have a problem spending $24.00 to watch a japanese garden and annoying music, cancel your subscription and donate your money to charity like the other person who suggested!
All I am saying is if people living close to the BB House want to have fun, let them be. The show is all about 15 minutes of fame.
Lon

Maris

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 11:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!! sliding away with my tail between my legs.

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 11:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Folks, it's great to disagree on topics and be heated and strong on your stance in an issue oriented way.

Making it about the poster isn't ok.

Loppes

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 12:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lancecross,
I was not being personal by any means. I hope Maris didn't take my post personally. If she did I apologize. I thhink it's a great idea for the angels to have fun and do their thing. I was just posting an opposing view because some posts seemed to be attacking Moondance.

Ryanc2002

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 12:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Loppes, you may not have meant it personally, but it came across that way, at least to me.

Loppes

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryanc,
Reading this whole folder, I felt there were some hurtful personal attacks at Moondance and her friends for their fun antics with the BB guests. Was it wrong for me to stick up for them? That is all I was trying to do.

Ryanc2002

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 02:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think very many people attacked Moon so much, as they did the banners in general. Besides, if the entire Big Brother Fan Club jumped off of the empire state building, would you do it too?

Maris

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 04:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No problems here on my end.

Countrymeadow

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 06:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did someone at BB mess up? I thought Shapiro stated he was going to have "plane spotters" on the lot and when a plane got within a mile he would have the HG's herded into the house. Uhm.....that didn't happen yesterday. Was he just faking us out? LOL

Corriecat

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure I want banners or not because I can see both sides of the arguement. Some of the banners were great but then there got to be an awful lot of them and they seemed to loose credibility. Also I can sympathize with the area residents who get tired of the noise. Things tend to work best when they are unexpected and not too many of them. Now if only someone would come up with something new and unexpected. I don't mind the viewers messing with the game because I don't think the producers held firm to their own rules to begin with. If someone were messing with Frontier House or 1800's House I would feel diferently. I admire the Angels for having the guts to pull off their missions and voice their opinions.

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Earlier it was mentioned that Arnie wants to control, and thaht banner are one thing he wants to control, but many feel he shouldn't.

Note that Burrnett (Survivor) is a huge control freak. But he takes us (banners or anything else) out of the picture by having the contest in a remote location and basically buying all the land around it for the duration of the contest.

Not many complain about not being able to send banners (ok, I've never seen a complaint on the board about it).

I wonder if our conflict with thsi issue has more to do with it being available to do it for BB, as opposed to Survivor where we have no chance of doing anything?

Misslibra

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lance I don't know how smart it was to put the BB house near the Airport anyway. I don't think Banners would of been a issue if the house wasn't near a Airport.

I'm willing to bet if Survivor was near a Airport people would fly banners. :)