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Gadzooks

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This house is mostly filled with sleazy women and men and the only way to get this show back to a real game instead or pornography is to knock all of the women out first. They are bringing this show into the gutter. I have a feeling that if the girls are out the men with concentrate on the game a lot more. Let the women go back to their sex experiments and maybe they will catch a few diseases and learn a lesson about how they should conduct themselves in life.

If Gerry, Jason, Roddy and Danielle were left in the end.....I would feel satisfied and I'm sure the conversations would be more varied and not about all the people they boinked.

P.S. Shapiro....what were you thinking?

Ryn

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 06:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I listened to Roddy and Josh discuss the fact that they were going to have to masturbate soon to get some relief (I am being much cleaner than they were about it).

Its not all the womens fault, its not all the mens fault, its the people they cast for the show, they plain don't care what the rest of the world thinks of them.

Therlin

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 06:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hate to say this and I do not mean this in a bad way, but, if you are bothered by their actions, then maybe this isn't the show that you should be watching.

BB in the US has been very mild compared to BB in just about any other country. Maybe we are starting to get a taste of what other countries have been getting. And the reason why it has been so controversial, and popular.

Northwestmom

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 06:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that everyone (with a couple of exceptions) is playing the game 'too hard'. It has been a frantic first week of trying to jockey themselves in to a team that will endure the length of the show. The smart ones (Danielle, Jason, Amy and Marcellus, perhaps Roddy) seem to see the value in pacing themselves and in my very humble opinion, stand a better chance when the game twists suddenly as it most probably will.

Jesse

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 06:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Soooooo true Ryn . . . I think I can tolerate sophomoric sex behavior from sophomores, but not from voting aged adults. And, I'm also tired of the "pontificating" rambling that Gerry and Lori have been spewing. At least there are a few HGs this year with some redeeming qualities . . . better than last year's.

Spunky

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 07:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that the original idea of BB is no longer there. These folks are just screaming "Watch me, watch me!!!". That's not what BB was supposed to be. So far BB1 was the closest to the original idea of BB.

Cliotheleo

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So what WAS the "original idea"?

Crazykids

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Also I think I remember the HG saying something about how the internet either couldn't hear them or there was a delay in sound....maybe they think that no one else can hear them (Chiara learned different). Oh never mind that...they know what they are doing even if the internet can't hear them...they can't forget about the camera's in every corner and there has to be camera operaters behind the scenes!

Sanfranjoshfan

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"maybe they think that no one else can hear them (Chiara learned different)."

Boy did she! Did you see the Chicago Sun Times article that Amac posted in the Chiaras Code thread?

Gotta love it...LOL

Abigail1970

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here, here Therlin! I totally agree with you. We all can exercise the option to 'not' watch the show.

Maris

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the game will get back on track when Shapiro realizes he doesnt have enough viewable material to fit three one hour shows a week. I think the ratings will go down if all people are seeing is a bunch of people talking about sex all week with scientific trivia thrown in.

What I find interesting is that Shapiro said the people this year would surpass the people last year for intrigue. To me these people are way out of Will's and Nicole's league. They are boring.

I watched the live feeds pretty continuously the first few days but if I watched ten minutes of them yesterday that was a lot. I havent even put them on today.

Keiffer

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is the best American BB yet! These people have done more to be entertaining in the last week than BB1 did the whole summer, and more than BB2 in about half the time. You can call the women sleazy because they do not conform to you stanards of behavior, but in general their behavior is much more like the average 20something than the lets sit around and play cards all day crowd. Lets face it, if BB had stayed the way it was in BB1 then it would not be on the air anymore. For all the hatred spread about Will the first few weeks of last year to now be one of the most popular players shows that it is way to early to be judging if you are going to like any one person in the house. BB needed a bit of sexual tension, or attractive women in swim suits to get ratings in this country. How many wholesome shows actually make it? One or two a season? Face it this crowd is giving America more of what it wants, and this just might save the franchise to be around another summer.

Crazykids

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
okay...then yes they know better...but they just don't care. They will care when they find out what their friends, family, "internet people"....and the press have to say about how they are acting. And they can't use that ol' the producers cut the tape and made me "seem different" trick!

I am not offended by what they say and do...I am just surprised they they are acting so "open" in the first 2 weeks...can you imagine what'll be going on towards the end of the show...LOL!

Thefan

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well sad to say, but sex sells. Maybe this is exactly what they want for the show.

I enjoyed it more last year with the humor and plotting, some people may enjoy more sex.

Abigail1970

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 09:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Keiffer! This is awesome. I think I like every BB player this year for different reasons. I don't even have a favorite, it's anyones game!!

Resortgirl

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that sex sells, but I don't think it needs to be this nasty, gross crap they are spouting. If that's how the average 20 something talks and behaves then we have sure screwed up as parents!

Squaredsc

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i don't think that parents necessarily screwed up, its just that in the past 10 to 15 years america has become more open with regards to sex. tv is just mirroring(sp) society, just like when it started showing teenagers having sex and multiple sex partners as well as the drinking and drugs. as someone mentioned above this is tame compared to the european shows. not saying it is wrong or right, just is.

Bob2112

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 09:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't gone into any of the BB shows with any expectations. I am fascinated by what people will do and say, even when they know (or should know) that the world is watching. I like to imagine how I would react if I were in the house. I have enjoyed the previous 2 seasons and I am currently enjoying this one. Nothing needs to change for me.

Oh! I think Jason is the mole! ...sorry for shouting... :)

Aloha1961

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 10:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i honestly don't think chiara, or lisa or tonya they way they talk about sex so often will get any good roles... maybe playboy or porn movies but nothing worthwhile and i believe they are on this show for exposure like everyone else... and josh forget it he couldn't get a job at anything but maybe pet magazine...(and only if he's lucky)

Jeneane

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 10:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here are my thoughts. I believe that Arnie as well as so many other tv producers have underestimated the general public. This crap about sex sells is old news and old thinking. If that were true then shows like amazing race and the Mole would be out the first season. Survivor offers a lot less in that department as well and it is the number one hit as well as the only one that you even vaguely hear about any of the contestants after the show doing something in the entertainment field such as Keith the cook guy has his own show on Food network. Look at the boards as well the majority of people tune out the cams showing the smut. Most are looking for potting and planning. The interesting part of BB was originally to be how people survive without all the comforts of home and now it is an obvious play house better than the average American lives in now. They have a pool and a spa for gosh sakes as well as work out equipment provided and designer decore. This isn't what America has demanded it is what the producers are telling us everyone else wants so they can have their own verson of playboy channel and get away with it on network TV's money. Every year there are doubts as to wheather it will be done again because of low ratings. It is only on because they feel it will make it in the summer because lets face it what are our choices. The other reality shows are on during the rest of the year and do fine. Hmmm what does that say about what America wants.
Ok that said I am still addicted and watch in hopes that there will be some comedy and like a bad movie we hope that will get better as time goes on.

Keiffer

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
---"If that were true then shows like amazing race and the Mole would be out the first season. Survivor offers a lot less in that department as well and it is the number one hit as well "

Lets break this down. Amazing race every time has had its fair share of attractive women competing. In the first season the Mole was the most attractive woman on the show. Survivor every chance they have gotten when there is a sexual tension thing have exploited it (Jerri/Colby, and that blonde dude with Colleen). Most the the sex talk that most people are complaining about is never going to make it to the TV show. They are doing so many challenges, and so much plotting for votes and such that they may never show any of it.

America does demand a certain amount of either violence, backstabbing, or sex for about 90% of its TV viewing. From soap aperas to TV shows like Friends, Sopranos, or ER. Follow the tope ten shows during the season, and most all of them whether comedy or dram exploit that they have attractive women on it, and make jokes regarding sex. Anyone say Will & Grace?

Cameltoes

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So true Maris. They can get all the sex they want out of the HG's but there is only so much that is going to make it to the Tiffany network. We're not going to see veiled referenced to sex acts on the TV show.. how does it serve any purpose to the producers? They don't care about the internet viewers anyway so I don't see how it helps them. Attractive people in bikinis, flirtation - yes they wants that.. but much of the stuff that is being said goes far beyond anything they can even think of putting on free tv. So we get an even more chopped up show that doesn't give the TV viewing audience the real story. Great.

Bogey

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that most of this will never make tv. If it gets any worse it will have to be aired, they wont have enough footage :) I think Arnie is in a dilemma. He seems to want all this drama, but doesn't seem to want to show anything too controversial on the show. Make up your mind!

Marcieb

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If sex sells, why did BB3 cast these bimbos and then put it on at 8 p.m.?!? They have this incredible group willing to talk about everything from sexual positions to swallowing vs. licking to anal beads mistaken as tampons--but CBS has to show a MUCH pared-down version during family hour. This makes no sense--the casting folks go after mostly X-rated hg's and put them on at a PG time. I've said it here before...please, Mr. Shapiro, move BB to a 10 p.m. time slot and let a bit of the sleaze that's 24/7 on the web be shown.

Hunter

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really like the premise (as I see it) of putting complete strangers in a fish bowl,
challenging them to use their intelligence,charm or savy to win the friendship...affection.
and trust of the other HG so they want to keep them in the house.

I would like to see a little romance in the house. Maybe it would help if one of them
would let someone know that they think they are special. Take them away from the
crowd...maybe a picnic on a blanket away from the house....find out about them as a
person...what they like....what they hate...what are their aspirations...what turns them
on....tell them why they think they are special.

I only see these people talking about....themselves. I have never seen them talking
about... what is going on the world and how it effects them....social
issues...relationships...Mars ~ Venus. I am sure that several of these people are
intelligent...opinionated.....sensitive...loving.

I don’t really think that they are that shallow. They ( like many other people ) are afraid
to expose that side of their personalities for fear of being seen as weak... or... having that part of them used against them in some way. I guess it is an atmosphere that breeds paranoia.

This game doesn’t have to be a hate fest. A love fest can still be interesting. Hg
advancing because people love and admire them....not hate or fear them.

Its only my humble opinion....Friendly Smile