Archive through June 20, 2002
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The Dreaded Banners...:
Archive through June 20, 2002
Sunshinemiss | Monday, June 17, 2002 - 01:07 pm     I like the banners, but agree that they do influence the game in a mostly negative way. So I suppose in a practical manner, I'd vote against them, but the devil on my shoulder disagrees. How's that for fence-sitting? |
Frozenfeline | Monday, June 17, 2002 - 01:57 pm     am i the only one who thinks the banners are great?!? it gives us a chance to really play the game with them. i think they're funny as hell! |
Julieboo | Monday, June 17, 2002 - 02:07 pm     I like the banners. (at least when they make sense!) |
Mygetaway | Monday, June 17, 2002 - 02:32 pm     If they are going to have outside influences of any kind, then I think banners are fair game. I liked the banners, and got carried away trying to think up great ones. (Not that I could ever afford to send one) The premise is supposed to be no contact with outside influences, so in a way, even the Host of the show is a contact. Last year they got the Survivors, and internet access for a contest winner. The banners were a way for "us" to get involved. I think the voting should be left to the houseguests, even though we all have our opinions on who should go! |
Lurknomore | Monday, June 17, 2002 - 02:47 pm     I have a love/hate relationship with the banners. I think they can be a lot of fun, but I just wish there was some way to have the content be done prudently and at least semi-intelligently. To me the biggest waste of $$$ have been the I love u banners (minus the one from this site thanking them for a fun summer at the end of the first season...that was sincerely a good one). But the others ones only served help egomaniacs think they should be LOL. But I agree it is at least a small way we can get involved. Pity Arnie and Co haven't found some more interesting ways to incorporate us. While I agree that voting primarily should come from within the house, perhaps there is some way to make it more interesting. For example, let US vote to nominate one person for eviction, the HOH choose a second, and then let the house choose who is out, or flip the order of the second. But it also might be interesting for the HG's to get a feel of who we want gone...and (and I can't believe Arnie is missing this opportunity) a way to get us spending more money on stupid phone calls again LOL. Come to think of it, this is just a TERRIBLE idea I had...it might cost me $$$ |
Keiffer | Monday, June 17, 2002 - 05:08 pm     Again here we have people wanting to insert themselves into a tv show. Why is it so important for US to have a say on anything that happens in there? Because the originals were voted out by America people seem to think they have a RIGHT to impose their will upon who wins 500k! As to Wcv63's remarks about them having to stop the smoking, drop the cards, and do something else for a moment I would disagree. First the banners often caused increased smoking because either they were waiting outside for them, or they got stressed reading them and lit up. Second AND MOST IMPORTANT, perhaps if the HG's didn't think that every plan they made was going to end up being exposed to the rest of the house each time they open their mouths perhaps we would get even more planning, and plotting. It would scare me to death to enter a plot with a couple of people (especially early on) because in my head I would just hear the banner plane warming up. Ha Ha counter point.... POINT |
Whit4you | Monday, June 17, 2002 - 05:18 pm     When I first started watching BB II - I was really irritated with it because there was so much talking we could not hear, shannon and will under the covers - many people in he pool or the hot tub and so on. But when people started flying banners revealing peoples private plots it really irritated me. These guys have a right to make plans and stratgies between each other without it getting flow across the sky. So as musch fun and intersting times I had involving the banners, I'd rather see them block the HGs from seeing them OR allow them say a spot where any two could go and have a private conversation that WE (internt viewers) could not see but the BB staff could. This may be entertainment for us but half a million dollars if invted right can make quite a difference in someones life and their families life - so it bugs me that people for entertainment purposes wont allow them to do their strategies without posting them in the air. Bottom line though is now the banners are a PART of BB to me and if they dont allow them in some way, then they really need to not allow the solitaire or any of that yawn fest stuff. |
Bigfan | Monday, June 17, 2002 - 08:18 pm     You know, I think the only reason why I like the banners is they break the bore. If big brother would just break in from time to time and make them do things, it would have the same effect for me. At least the banners were a change from the hour after hour of the same stuff. |
Lurknomore | Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 12:09 am     Keiffer, for me the reason we, as internet viewers should be, to quote you, "inserted" into BB is simple...that is the way the show was designed. Be it the first season where viewers were invited to vote on evictions or the second where we were invited to vote on absurd things, the producers made the decision to have the fans play a role. That said, it is my logical thought that since they have chosen to include us, there are better and more interesting ways that could be done. Ways that not only would make the show more interesting by adding new facets (something Survivor has had enormous success with doing) but by generating more fan appeal. Lastly, and here comes my counterpoint, if BB presented some more interesting personalities, challenges, and better ways to hear them, perhaps banners wouldn't end up being such an important facet for those of us sitting on this end trying desperately to stay interested. I feel banners have been used as a substitute to generate the interest and involvement that have been sorely lacking. |
Llkoolaid | Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 08:33 am     You gotta love this, the game hasn't even started and here we are in the middle of a spirited discussion. I love Big Brother and if this is a small preview of the discussions to come with the actual game it should be a blast. Just remember everyone, play nice and we should have an "oh my heck" of a good time. Ok, someone slap me, I can't believe I said oh my heck. |
Wink | Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 08:52 am     >>>Ok, someone slap me, I can't believe I said oh my heck<<< This is Big Brother Llkool. I can't believe you said "play nice".  |
Rabbit | Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 09:03 am     Does the line start here? |
Webkitty | Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 09:09 am     LOL Kool! I agree. But to plunge on with this first friendly debate topic of the season: How many people here in favor of banners would actually pay the $300.00 or so for one, or chip in for one, and, if you would, do you feel that having to pay $10.00 per month to get the live feeds is fair, and if not, how would you justify paying for a banner and not the live feeds? Note: figures rounded off....... |
Sunshinemiss | Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 10:03 am     I've chipped in to the tune of 10 bucks and would again if I felt sufficiently motivated. Haven't had the live feeds, but only because I have Webtv. Am still hoping to upgrade to a laptop in time for BB3 and yes I do intend to pay. Addictions are costly. This one is not as bad as some. |
Wcv63 | Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 11:34 am     I wouldn't chip in for a banner myself but certainly wouldn't discourage others for doing so. The way I see things is that not only do the hampsters have to plot and strategize amongst their fellow inmates but they also have to make a strategy that includes for the possibility of banners. Will managed to do it. Certainly one of his more nefarious schemes was "outed" before he had time to fully flesh it out, however, he still managed to strategize utilizing ALL the game components including the banners. Checkmate. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 11:48 am     I chipped in toward a banner sent by TVCH last year. I paid for feeds last year and will this year. The first year I got WAY too carried away and ran up a crazy phone bill.. that is the only expense I regret. (and I'm long over it). |
Lurknomore | Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 12:19 pm     I was in for 10 banner bux last year during the Hardy/toothbrush incident. Problem was by the time everyone hashed out what to say it was old news. Some silly message ended up being sent to Monica. The only way I could see paying for the entire banner was if a close friend or family member was in that house and NEEDED one lol. |
Muse | Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 02:51 pm     I'm not a big fan of the banners. I'll admit that sometimes they make things interesting, and there's even been a few I've been excited to see fly. But overall - I don't like them. They mess with the concept of the show, and I think some drama that we didn't get to see might have happened if there weren't banners. Who knows what Chilltown might have done last year, for example? I've never contributed to a banner, and I don't plan to. I might change my mind at some point, but right now...if I had the choice, I'd get rid of them entirely. Obviously, that's not going to happen, though. It's just impossible for BB to control that. |
Keiffer | Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 05:30 pm     New points: When a banner comes over it just cost us people who pay for the live feeds time watching because as soon as one gets near the house we are cut away to everyone's favorite the FDC. Now this: "Will managed to do it. Certainly one of his more nefarious schemes was "outed" before he had time to fully flesh it out, however, he still managed to strategize utilizing ALL the game components including the banners. Checkmate" --- While I enjoy our banter Wcv I have to disagree again with this point. The only way to avoid a banner exposing your voting block is to do like Will and establish yourself as the liar from the start. Do you think another player this year could utilize this strategy and make it past the first week? Remember how Hardy, Monica, and Kristin had a very secret block set up, but as soon as the internet people got wind of it there it was in the sky, and there went their best chance of one of them winning. Finally how could anyone who has not been able to watch these events unfold live have any say to insert themselves into the show by helping to send a banner? If you have web tv, or just choose to not pay for the feeds then the only source of information you have is tainted by peoples opinions. Either the producers, or the people who chat on this board. Neither should provide the feeling of knowing what is best for the competitors. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 10:09 am     Ah well, guess if banners are flown the hampsters will just have to think of them as the water hazard or sand pit on a golf course. They may need a little skill to get past them. Hope they are all practicing their chipping! Oh boy, it's starting to feel a lot like BB! |
Squaredsc | Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 06:19 pm     ok time for me to add my 2 cents. i liked the banners, especially since bb2 was the first time i actually watched the whole season and found this site. the first bb was very boring to me and i stopped watching after the 2nd episode. i think the banners add a little bit of stimuli that the rats need, it also helps improve their strategic skills, and gives us something to laugh at afterwards. i really loved the one that nicole's husband sent during the challenge, "oh my heck", it was a hoot.  |
Wiscgirl | Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 07:12 pm     I go back and forth on how I feel about the banners .... One frustrating aspect is when the banner message is a bit too cryptic for the HG's to figure out ..... I remember shouting at my computer a few times, "Oh no! You guys have the message all wrong!! Then there is just a tiny tiny evil part of me that remembers BB1 and how badly I wanted to send an anti-Jamie banner ..... ahhhh, the good ole days ..lol |
Cameltoes | Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 07:56 pm     I am also on the fence about banners. I did send one last year (as a reaction to the anti-Will banners by the pro-Bunky contingent). I didn't mind them in the least during Season 1 because viwers were sending them and viewers were voting. Last year, I did dislike the strategy exposing banners. It was my annoyance that drove me to send a counter-banner. However, I doubt I would do it again. I think there is always an element of mistrust towards banners that are intended to inform. They (rightly) perceive that the banners are intended to influence their votes and could be from fans trying to protect a favorite. Basically, I think as far as effecting the game they don't have much influence in the long run. I think the first season it was fun to see their reactions but I really can't say that I can get excited about watching their reactions anymore. Last year there were SO many that it just kind of played out now. |
Pirate | Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 08:12 pm     I don't like the banners. I think no outside contact should mean no outside contact. (I think BB should be a little more strict with themselves on this rule too.) There were just too many banners flying around which I thought was a total distraction from the game. Even the HGs were asking for banners from people they knew on the outside. It seemed like every 5 minutes the HGs were jumping up and running outside if they heard the faintest sound of a plane. Please, no banners this year! |
Lurknomore | Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 11:07 pm     I could live with no more banners if BB would STRICTLY adhere to the no outside contact rule. I would bet more than there is no way that is gonna happen. |
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