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Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe I am just a bit defensive because I am gay. These days, I hear kids using the term "gay" like they used "queer" when I was a kid. "You are so GAY". It isn't the word itself that is the insult, since the word "gay" is an acceptable word to use (as opposed to some others)....it's the idea that being "not straight" is an insult to so many.

I didn't mean to imply that anyone who discussed the HG's sexuality was a homophobe. I was just pointing out that in this day and age if you point to someone and say "gay" it freaks them out to think others might believe that. Can you even imagine calling someone "straight" being used as a weapon to freak someone out?

I guess I just questioned the whole thing because Josh doesn't seem gay at all to me....he just comes across to me as a loudmouthed straight boy....(not that there is anything wrong in being straight)

:-)

Maris

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You could be right San Fran, its just my friends and I were all sitting around the other night after BB3 and we were talking. There was a big discussion going on about whether Josh was gay or not and we were all having a great time. One of my oldest friends who is very very gay (which he openly admits and calls himself a sister because he is also african american) was swearing up and down that he was gay. He went into this whole thing that Josh is the type of guy he has met in bars who presents themselves to the outside world as straight and is very protective about anyone finding out he was gay. He thought and it made sense to me that Josh was afraid that Marcellas would out him. Me, I just thought he was a loudmouth New Yorker (just kidding, I swear).

Whit4you

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Honestly I think we all so dislike him cause we are AFRAID we will end up liking him - as sickening as that may sound. I remember having the same feelings I have now about WILL the first 3 weeks of BB 2...and ending up totally rooting for him. I think deep down we all are so disguested by Josh2 and our sislike for him cause deep down we fear that somehow some sick way we may end up liking him... gawd help us if we do.... but honestly I think deep down that is what we feel... I really do think that's the case here.

He aint EDDIe.. he AINT Will.. and please please gawd don't let me end up liking this slime....

Think about it guys.... this is why we dislike this slime so much isnt it???? At least that's the case for me every thing that comes out of his mouth disgust me his demeaner and his attitude and his game strategy and so on disgust me... and I cant help thinking about how disgusted I was with Will the first 3 weeks and how I was totally and completely for Will in the end and cant help but HATE to even think that it could happen again it wont it cant... lol...then I think at least Eddie and Will had some decent looks behidn them and then I can't help but think how ugly I thought they were till I started to like them.. UG
I'd rather be a Boogie fan then a Josh2 fan so please please please...don't make my worst nightmare come true and have this be another Eddie/ Will thing where I end up liking this jerk........

Maris

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The question is did you like Will at the end because Nicole was just 100 times worse and you loved seeing Will get the better of her???
The problem with Josh is that I cant think of one other person in that house that is worse than he is. Gerry gets on my nerves but even he isnt as grating as Josh.

Ryanc2002

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfranjoshfan Marcellias had a new keyboard moment the other day.


Danielle: Hand me another ***, this one is gay.

Marc: It's what???


I used a *** because I couldn't remember what the object was.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, I guess I only have my own experience to draw from....when I was young and in the closet, the *last* thing in the world I couuld have done is go on tv and be held up to public scrutiny! Even in high school I was acutely aware of knowing that there were attractive guys everywhere, but that I could NOT ever be seen looking at them. I dated girls because I was exepected to, not beccause I was attracted to them. It was all a horrible charade....and it made me very, very nervous about being scrutinized. When I was in the closet, my main goal was to have attention NOT be focused on me. My point is just that the fact that he has put himself in this position is a good point for arguing that he isn't a closeted gay man.

Of course, I could be wrong...he *could* be gay and only closeted within the BB house. He could be "out" at home (outside the BB house) so this BB public scrutiny wouldn't be such an issue, as it would be for someone truly trying to keep that secret.

JMO

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"The question is did you like Will at the end because Nicole was just 100 times worse and you loved seeing Will get the better of her???"

That is EXACTLY what I went through! I hated Will until he was up gainst that !@#$&**^#!! Nicole! He suddenly started looking a lot nicer in the context of TRUE evil. :-)

Puttergirl

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit4You, I don't even know what to say. All of the HG's that we ended up loving to hate all had some redeeming values. Josh doesn't have any that I can see. I don't believe he will become that person for any BB watcher. He just has too much going against him.

Foh4ever

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When I started watching BB2, I kinda liked Will (and I thought he was very attractive - one opinion that never changed)... then his evilness became apparent, and it turned into dislike... but then towards the end, his charm & wit won me back over...
But with both Booger & Josh... there was just... *repulsion*.
If I was in that house, I honestly don't think I could sit in the same room with him for more than five minutes, if even that. Foulness just kinda eminates from him... like Pig Pen's (from Peanuts) dirt aura...

Earthmother

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He is just smarmy..who can't see it? Obviously after watching his reaction to nominations they have to know he's done something to be concerned about. I would just ask anyone I spoke to if he had made a pact with them and start them all thinking. Lisa heard him and still thinks he would survive if she put him up against Lori.

Maris

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 12:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree but high school is a lot different than being out there in the mature world. When you are a teenager there are all sorts of other issues including the lack of maturity of your peers, the sense of isolation and lack of support system from a school administration. I know people who suffered terribly because they were out in highschool and it was horrible what they endured. I think though that these are different times and I find it hard to understand why someone would want to hide who they are. I also have friends who went through the charade of being straight for years even to the point of not being able to tell their parents. I attribute it mostly to the times that we grew up in.

Josh is in his mid twenties, certainly growing up in a time where your sexual identity was not as much as an issue as it would have been for someone say Gerry's age.

In Josh's case I think he is just such a machiavellian type he might just want to keep people on their toes. By assuming a different identity for the game he takes the play to a different level. If he is gay, it could just be another part of his strategy. Lets wait and see.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 12:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, that all makes sense, but in a lot of ways, times haven't changed that much. I have a very good gay friend in another state who had a college lover. This guy has never ever come out and is, in fact, about to be married to help keep his secret. He is around 30-ish. That stuff is still happening every day. Having a gay web site, I often get email from closeted gay men living straight lives...they reach out to people on the net because of the anonymity and fear of being exposed. ( I even heard from an old high school classmate that is now in the deep south, and married with kids ....he came out to me via email)

I have another friend that made an enemy of a woman at work who knew he was gay (in another, less gay friendly place than SF,CA)...she told co-workers that he had made a pass at a guy in the mail room, which caused all kinds of vicious gossip and he was ostrasized. When the situation stopped being a whispered rumor and came out into the open, the mail room guy insisted it never happened, as did my friend who was shocked at the lie. The woman was fired but my friend remained ostracized by the work place homophobes that had not previously known his orientation. He eventually left that good paying job because of the cold attitudes he received.

It's quite possible that you have gay friends or neighbors that you have no idea are gay. If they are in the closet, you'd never know.

Josh2 may very well be gay and just playing a role to manipulate, but I just can't see him coming on BB if he truly is in the closet about it. If he is gay he could just be closeted within the house as part of his strategy.

Pamy

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfran...sorry if my post sounded offensive, I didn't mean it to be. I didn't mean if someone is gay it would freak people out, I meant that it seems that Josh is so worried people might think he is gay(whether he is or not, doesn't matter to me)I cant' stand him period, he could be selebat(sp?)and I still can't stand him. I have grown up with gay people in my life and it is never an issue.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
" I didn't mean if someone is gay it would freak people out"

But it's true....if Josh2 was closeted and "outed", it could freak HIM out to be exposed...and outside of the house it still often freaks out loved ones and co-workers.

Pamy, I didn't mean that your opinion in your post was offensive....just that it was offensive that "outing" someone can still be a weapon in this day and age. It still can be....and it often is.

Also, I don't remember if you were here last year, but most of the regulars know me as someone who can't stay out of the gay discussions! I practically had a running dialog here on the bulletin board with Kent last year after he was evicted and started posting here! ;-)

Pamy

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I understand your point Sanfran, thanks for opening my eyes.

Maris

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well Sanfran you are brave getting into a dialogue with Kent. So tell me did you get him to see the light?

Scorpiomoon

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"The question is did you like Will at the end because Nicole was just 100 times worse and you loved seeing Will get the better of her???"

I think Will had charisma. I tried HARD to dislike him but he was just really charming, funny, patient and was like a gregarious little boy. And...he played the game smart and without apology.

Josh isn't at all like that. Granted, he's not a total oaf like Mike Boogie was, but he is no where near being as sauve as Will was. And the fact that he likes to think he is, is a total joke.

Note to Sanfran: I am so sorry if you're feelings were hurt. I don't think any of us who posted in this thread meant to offend you or do any gay bashing. Hugs to you, Sanfran. :)

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think we came to an understanding, although in reality I was 100% right and he was mostly wrong. LOL (please odn't get the idea that I'm opinionated or anything!)

Back to topic: Bottom line....I don't like Josh at all...gay or straight. Although....who knows?...if he is left in the house with a couple of the ones that seem nice now, ya never know what they will become after being in prison with one another for a few more weeks. Seems like already a lot of people have changed their tune about Lori in the past few days(even Jason!). I am *trying* to keep an open mind for now, even though at this point I can't imagine wanting Josh to win anything. In BB1 I started out really rooting for George then came hate him! (I spent $20 that month to oust him on the 900#!) Last year I was a die-hard Hardy fan until the latter part of the game....and wound up rooting for Will who I started out hating.

I guess you just never know for sure who the hamsters really are until you watch them for a few weeks...

Chyang

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone else agree with EarthMa's observation?
The part about how Lisa had a chance to hear his other side but thought it still not time to put Josh up against Lori.
I've wondered about Lisa's logic ever since. I would have put Josh up against Gerry in the first place and happily remind him(but actually hinting to others) of his own plot!
She still seemed to like her own choice of nom. when they show her all p-oed about the posibility of Gerry's veto power. I thought by now she might have seen through the "We're the finals" act.

Kaili

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 03:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, wow. The only reason taht I said I didn't hte him because I think he is gay was that I was clarifying. This thread is for reasons to dislike Josh. The possibility of him being gay is really soimething that may deserve its own thread, That is why I was clarifying. I didn't want to come across as saying that is a reason I dislike him (based on the title of the thread). It was an observation taht I was going off of from a previous post.

As for the censoring of my language, I assumed that a** would be acceptable seing as how Gail was writing b***h in another thread while explaining what language is and is not acceptable. I'm rather surprised that a three-letter word such as that would be edited. Sorry if I offended any with the strong language, but I didn't think that it was particularly extreme. I'll self edit and say instead that he is a butt. :)

Maris

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 03:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kali, dont worry about it my B**ch was edited out too. I guess it is how you say a word, in my case it was edited out and I was just quoting.

No worries

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 04:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As pointed out earlier, the b word is filtered because it had been used so often for calling someone a name, while bitching was typically used to indicate an action, and is not filtered with red dots.

If you say someone is acting like a ...., then there usually isn't a problem with the post. If you say some is a ....., be prepared for the chance of it being altered.

Kaili

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 04:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
oh, tricky little system. Either way, he's a sleazy, creepy guy. I don't see myself developing a liking for him. I admit, by the end I did like Will. If Mike had made it to the end he would never have grown on my. I can be pretty sure of that. I never liked Richard Hatch- he was a "love to hate" kinda guy and I never loved hating him either.

Sandyjo

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 05:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh lost me when he was joking about being and looking like a "terrorist" during the body shaving period. He even stated that "I LOVE those people!" Anyone who can make jokes about such a sensitive subject to so many in these times is a just and attention seeking, immature, loser.
JMO

Kaili

Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 05:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He said he loved terrorists? WOW! And he's from New York right? Or am I wrong? I don't want to go check because of the exciting Chiara's Code thread.