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Joshhater

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry is acting his age, that is all.
He doesn't understand or like them, they don't like or understand him.
He is acting like a middle aged teacher.
I don't really know why they put a token middleaged person in every year anyway.
Unless it is just to cause conflict.
Anyone with half a brain would know he is not going to be able to get along with the young players.
If I was him I would rather have my eyes poked out than spend five more minutes with that group.

Aloha1961

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
kat.... i don't think gerry put marc. and lori on the spot if you remember from the other 2 bb's they always had the nominated people make a plea on why they should be kept in the house... so that you can't blame on gerry...

i am not a big gerry fan (i don't dislike him either) but i thought the speech they showed on tv was good.. i think he was speaking for himself and not the others...

i also am glad lori made them confront gerry about his hand washing instead of keep talking behind his back... i think she got a little over excited but i really think she respects gerry and didn't want people talking behind his back.. come on how many people on the other big brother houses didn't wash their hands and this msg board was all over that..

i really would love to see a big brother where its everyone plays for themselves and no alliances..

Maris

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Half, I have two dollar bills as well but it is an expression that my mother used to use all the time so it is said more for effect than anything else.

Jesse

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point Car54 . . . Gerry strikes me as a person who feels guilty about getting things in life (momentary power, winning the game, etc.) He has to justify his actions by associating them with "lofty motives" in order to carry his actions out. He can't just take what he wants and to "hell" with the rest.

Shianname25

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerry is one of my favorites. I hope either he, Danielle, or Jason win.

Kapow

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Joshhater-
I know lots of middle-aged people who get along with young folks-old folks-all folks. People who get away with "acting their age" are too young and/or immature to be held responsible for their actions. To say that because he is middle aged means that he cannot get along with the younger folks is a disservice. Look at Big Tom from Survivor Africa. Personality is the issue, not age. IMHO!

Maris

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Kapow, I think he was probably an arrogant pompus kind of guy the day he walked into his first classroom. I just look at him and know there is now way he would be one of my better remembered teachers. I am pretty sure I would not have liked him as a teacher.

Creampuff

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris~

My Dad used to always say, "As phony as a three dollar bill". Since there aren't ANY $3 bills, I think that may be the way the saying went. Either way, phony is phony, right??????? lol

Jhezzie

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jesse and Car54, you're right. It's like he feels guilty because he's white and straight and educated, lol.
His mission is to "save" those poor, oppressed, minorities, set an example for all to see and in the process, feel better about himself. He's annoying.

Katrina

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, y'all have really made me rethink this some. I agree with many of you that Gerry's speech was over the top and that he clearly had mixed motives. However, after seeing the show and reading through your varied opinions, I've started thinking about the race point vis-a-vis Marcellus being nominated.

Maybe there was some subtle truth to it. There is something unique about being a black man in America, and it is unique to be the one black man in a mostly white group. The dynamic is different for the lone black man in the group than it is for the lone black woman or for any of the others. Maybe there is something inherent to our race issues in America that makes it more likely that the lone black man in a group like this will need to hang back a little longer than the others to scope out the situation and not make any overt moves which might be perceived as threatening, and maybe our often subtle racial perceptions will make it easier for the rest of the group, in return, to initially view the lone black man as the one who doesn't want to get along or who might not be as friendly.

Maybe the subtle racial dynamics *do* make a difference in the earliest days, and since that's when the nominations were made, maybe it was a subtle factor in the group dynamic that led to the nominations. It's such a phony situation, always having this one black man per house or tribe on these "reality" shows. In real life reality, people don't tend to socialize in strict demographic proportions. Maybe blowhard Gerry hit on a subtle truth to reality programming, that racial bias may be a factor in the earliest days, even when the people involved aren't aware of it or knowingly acting on it.

Wink

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He's a putz.

Oregonfire

Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems pretty self-righteous to me. Joshater above had it right to me. The younger generation is not going to respond or enjoy being lectured. Marc DID act stuck up the first day, and I understood why he was nominated.

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 01:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's amazing that with his words being the same to everyone, they were processed with sch an extreme line of thinking--from Gerry has gotten screwed by the rest to Gerry is a being a self-serving ctaor who meant nothing positive by it--and everything in between.

Isn't it great!

Squidward

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 01:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jesse, I loved your comment about the Nobel Peace prize for Gerry. :)
I like Gerry, but I thought his speech was a bit over the top and the crocodile tears were pathetic.

Squidward

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 01:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregonfire, I also see why Marc was nominated. I remember thinking during the premiere that he was going to be the first to be nominated thanks to the way he was acting. I like him a lot better now that he's more himself, but his first day was the prime example of how NOT to act in the BB house.

Squaredsc

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 09:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i think his speech was blown Way out of proportion, it was a tad bit over the top, but if thats what he was feeling, then i say preach on. and as the topic says, i really think the sexpack are nitwits, he was speaking for himself, not the others. if the others didn't feel that way then its up to them to speak on it to him and the others. i saw no real reason for marcellas to get nominated 'cause right after the getting to know you round table, he didn't seem stuck-up or anything to me but josh was the one who immediately said that he has a "negative" vibe?? wtf, he hadn't really talked to him or the others, and the going to bed early thing was just him acting dramatic. i have no problem with gerry.

Faerygdds

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 10:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Look... it's really simple... I used to be married to amna who had two adopted little brothers. Both boys were bi-racial (different moms and Dads)... Both of their birth mothers were white and their birth fathers were black (not that it makes a difference, just trying to be specific). I loved these two little boys with all my heart and I miss them dearly!

I am not a racist person, or a homophobic person.... BUT I have to admit that I have had racist moments in my adult life. :( That's what happened to Gerry... he had a racist moment.. a oment where he had 11 choices as to who he wanted to go first and he chose poorly. Later when he realized what he had done he felt really bad about it.... and it came out. It may seem a little over the top to US, but to him it was a moment where he was baring his sould and admitting his own faults... and that's sometimes really hard and hurtful. The 6-packs reaction to this is disgusting either way... Gerry WAS facing his own demons....

I know how he feels.. I've had to go back to a person and say something along the lines of I let societal stereotypes get in the way of my higher reasoning and allowed it to skew my judgement... and I'm an idiot for that... can you ever forgive me??? (It was a long convo, but that was the gist of it) It was emotional.. and heartwrenching... and I remember it everytime I start to make a "snap" judgement about a person... it was my lesson ... THIS is Gerry's...

right or wrong.. I don't think he was over the top.. I just hink he was caught in HIS moment of sorrow and repentance.

Karuuna

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Faery - you said that very well. :)

Maris

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 10:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Faery it all comes down to whether you think he was sincere or not. Obviously you believed in his sincerity and were touched and could empathize with his bearing his soul.

I thought it was for his fifteen minutes of fame and it didnt seem the least bit sincere to me. Like someone said on another thread or maybe it was this one further up. Its amazing how so many people can see the same thing and see it so differently. That is why three or four eyewitnesses to a crime may not have seen the same thing..

Faerygdds

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 10:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris.. the reason I think it's sincere is because I watch him every morning and saw his inital "Aha" moment... it was Lori (and her going on and on way) that helped him see it... which is why he likes her so much.

Now... I may be wrong and maybe it was for his 15 minutes, but if that aha moment was faked... THEY DO DESERVE THE EMMY!!! :)

Eddie4ever

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm... come on now, its not like these are elementary school children and theres a vast age difference between them and Gerry. Isn't Silverstein closer in age to Gerry than Chia Pet? If anything, being a teacher and being around a younger generation on a day to day basis gives him a good understanding of what motivates them. But these aren't kids, they're adults (some of them with kids of their own). And the guy *is* a school teacher, he knows peer pressure when he sees it, and probably lectures on it too. And that is what I think his speech was, he felt it was more important to stand up to them and let them know how strongly he felt, then to keep his mouth shut just to be a part of their little *in* clique. He dealt with the issue on his level, and the others being adults and not children, saw that and it angered them because to a certain degree, it did make them look bad. Gerry could have said he wasn't voting with them because Lisa wears ugly bikinis and we would have gotten the same reaction from them. I don't think it had anything to do with what he said, just that someone was just saying NO to them, and on their level, they did not like it. Just like in high school when one of the group would back out or say something that didn't fit in...after all the nastiness is said and done, ya pretty much get alienated from the group. I truely believe he meant what he said in his speech, and he understood who he was talking too.

Keiffer

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 11:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The reason for Marc getting nomminated had nothing to do with race, him being stuck up, or him being in a tree still. It could have been any person not in the room at the time. That night they thought that there was going to be nomminations in two days. Every person in there wanted there to be a person that everybody agreed on voting out that was not them. It was the only way to insure not being the first voted out, and lasting at least an extra week. Everybody keeps complaing on the way that Lori and Marcellas got nomminated. Look two people had to be nomminated. That is the game.

Gerry talked earlier that he allways felt he was meant for more in life, and allways wanted to help society like MLK or a Kennedy. That was the era in which he became a man. So what he did is take what he felt might be his only moment to ever speak to a national audience and preach about tolerance. Fine he can do that, but then he can't turn around and think it should not be allowed to hurt him in the game.

Faerygdds

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
True Keiffer...

It all reminds me of the time I told off the head cheerleader in high school....

Ahhhh... my first days of going against the grain.... :)

Loppes

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 11:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LanceCross,
I tend to agree with you. Gerry needs to step down off his selfbuilt podium, and do a reality check on himself. There wasn't an ounce of honesty in his speech.
Lon

Abigail1970

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 11:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Marcellus was nominated because he walked around with an angry, put out look upon his face the first evening!! That is why the majority of them wanted him out. If Gerry did it because he was black and gay then that is on Gerry!