Archive through July 20, 2002
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Archive through July 20, 2002
Tiana | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 08:11 pm     C1mag, is it really necessary for you to point out the fact that Dani and Marc are black in nearly every single one of your posts? I think it's quite obvious for all to see without constantly pointing it out to everyone. Can you not see Dani and Marc for themselves, as indiviuals, without their race coloring every single mention of them? I am black and am offended that some people think we have a herd mentality. It must have been so very nice for Curtis to just be Curtis on Big Brother One and not a representative for all Asians. And if Dani does doublecross Marc, she will not be the most hated women of our race, that is absurd. These are two individuals, not ambassadors. |
Tiana | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 08:14 pm     Well Pirate, I hope you are able to reach Marcellas, lol. He is nobody's fool, he'll do the right thing and make sure Josh is out of there next Thursday night. And no, I don't dislike Josh because of his blackface comment, (I was never even aware of it until tonight) I dislike him because he is an absolute a$$ and I cannot stand the man. |
Pirate | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 08:15 pm     Thank you Tiana for speaking out. (Thought I better edit this so you would know why I said Thanks!) |
Maris | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 08:30 pm     Tiana, it was Danielle that brought up race and brings up race every five minutes when she is alone with Marcellas. She says to marcellas I want it to be us "black folks" her workds to the end. What will everyone say when they see "black folks in final two". I want to be vecepia I dont wanto be the angry black woman. Danielle is the one who makes it very clear to marcellas this is about a black woman winning. The point is if this is about a black woman winning how the hell can she tolerate the black face comment. I posted much earllier I was disgusted by Danielle bringing this down to a race game. She was my favorite coming into this game and she sank to the bottom fast. I dont think it is me that cant see the players for what they are it is Danielle that is looking at her houseguests in terms of color not us outsiders. |
Pamy | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 09:06 pm     If she vetos Josh Chiara should give her 2 snaps..upside her head!!!!
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Tisha90029 | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 09:11 pm     OK, maybe I am just an evil b***h, but I have to say it: if I were Marc, the moment Danielle came to me, before nominations (just saw the show, which was outstanding), and told me that she didn't want to get rid of Josh--because she believed him, no less!--I would have resolved to nominate Danielle right then. I'm sorry, you can say it might be cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, but it seems to me that when someone makes it clear to you that your main objective is completely counter to what they want, you have to follow your heart instead of placating them. Additionally, Marc could have said, "oh, Danielle, I love you, but I knew that if I nominated you, they would vote out Josh for sure" and then let the chips fall where they may. Marcellus, unfortunately, has let his heart lead him too much in this. He definitely needs to get tougher and keep some people in line. |
Texastillie | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 09:17 pm     ***Marcellas is sincere about playing the gamewith integrity and a good heart*** Marcellus is sincere and does seem to have an exceptionally good heart. His very sincerity may be why he won't go back on his word to Danielle. On the other hand (besides having 5 more fingers), he also expressed to Gerry (regarding Gerry going back on his word to the alliance in saving Marc) that breaking a pact with the devil is doing the right thing - not bad to lie in that case. ~~Please, Marcellus, remember saying that!~~~ |
Chyang | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 09:18 pm     Tiana, Maris is right, please read the Livefeed Posts for yourself. Since I'm neither black nor white, would you maybe allow me to say that, it does seem to me, Dani is always thinking about using all the cards possible. She hi-fived Lori earlier saying they're "... both Mothers". She sat and talked to Jason about both not being in any clique. She's also being around Lisa, Chi & Ton. a lot lately, swapping "girl-power" feelings at times. Even the "Gerry & hand-washing" issue had to do with differenciating "us the cleaner/prettier" vs the not-so, imho. Of course at this point, with a brother as HOH at such a crucial time, what card do you suppose Dani should use? After all this, I also have to admit I thought earlier she may turned out to be the fav. player with everyone. I'm still observing myself, but the wind changes fast here sometimes.... |
Oregonfire | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 09:22 pm     I think she needs to play the "keep a low profile and don't abuse your limited power" card. I think Marc would respect that as much as anything. |
Tisha90029 | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 09:24 pm     *applauds Oregonfire* |
C1mag | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 09:42 pm     Tiana... WOW have you misread my posts! If I have offended you I appologize. I do however, believe that it is important to point out their race should be a bond because it was mentioned from the first African American contestants in Survivor 1 (Gervase and Ramona) that You just don't stand in opposition of a fellow African American this early on in a game that is dominated by a majority head count of white individuals and yet privately complain that the white players would never let a black person win which is what Dani has already done on several ocassions. So mentioning this strange turn of events as anti support for her fellow African American does become part of the backlash she deserves for pulling this strategy. Whats worse is that she then went to Roddy and Chiara to see if they would vote out Gerry and added she thought he was truly a rascist man. Uh who's playing the race card again knowing with Gerry gone her fellow African American is toast. Think about it clearer before jumping to the wrong conclusion about my post. Asking your fellow African American to save the one person in the house that he feels made a racial comment against him is spitting not only in his face but spitting on your herritage. If you don't see that then that is your right. However, take a larger poll of African Americans and they would probably agree it is insulting and shows waaaaay too much greed on her part. It was also never suggested that Danielles actions would deem her the most hated African American woman in America. I do believe that it will deem her one of the most embarassing African Americans on one of these reality game shows when she's trying to play the only other African American in the house just for her benefit. I hope I have cleared it up. She is making a very negative statement by asking her fellow African American to save the man who made a direct racial comment about African Americans in the house but doesn't seem to care about that but when trying to get rid of the man who will save her fellow african american she calls him rascist, but God forbid if someone watching the show suggests she is a sell out based on race. She is setting up her fellow African American to fail in this game by doing so. It isn't a wise choice at all. She does have an obligation to look out after her black brother. Danielle should be working WITH Marcellus to achieve the status of the first African American to win this contest. Not against him. Asking to save someone like Josh is a pure insult to ALL African Americans. In your lheart you already know this. |
C1mag | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 09:47 pm     Off my Soap box! Marc is gonna do just fine with this choice. He will not put Gerry up for slaughter. Not even for Danielle. |
What555456 | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 09:50 pm     Actually, I am glad Danielle is doing this. Makes the show a heck of a lot more interesting. Plus, it is a good move for her -- for now. She is the one who is truly "playing" this game -- from all angles. It seems to me her strategy is simply to make it from week to week. Her ego is such that she thinks she can turn things around in any given week. And given how this game tends to develop, she may be right. Those who are liked now tend to be hated later. Those hated now, tend to be liked later. Her problem is that she may make enough enemies is doing this for a couple of nomination cycles that she will become marked herself. |
C1mag | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 10:02 pm     I have to agree she makes it interesting but still rather insulting. She has a mark on her so big right now even she should see it. She came out of the shoot and showed Roddy she is a threat in this game and if he stays in she is gone in about 3 weeks. He and Eric will never let her in the final rounds of this game. |
Sunriverose | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 10:08 pm     Oh god, Marc, I wish you could see these conversations...Then you would know what is happening that you do not see. I think Marc is a good man, and that Danielle is a good woman, and that all these folks in everyday life are moral, but when trying to win 500,000 bucks by whatever gamey means, requires stategy and luck and smarts and cunning and all that...that any one may choose the way to win this game. The point is to win...that is what they have signed up for, the chance to win a lot of money, and if they were serious at the beginning, they need to do whatever it takes, even if it looks wrong to us, we, who have no chance at the money...they are the ones who must play to win...tricky moral dilemma, but if you see it the right way, you can see that all everyone does is ok, in context. I really like this group, even with its dorks and meanies..even the arrogant ones and the fools...they are cool, all of them. signed, Dia |
Roamjotiba | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 10:12 pm     I know one thing they could do to make it more interesting is to make the pot one million dollars (said like the villian in Austin Powers movie) Then you would really see the mess hit the fan!! |
C1mag | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 10:13 pm     I can agree with that Dia. At points I feel like I'm living in the house so passion comes into it but when I step away ( Stepping away) I can appreciate your statement so thanks! I still think what Dan is asking marc to is insulting but I'm cool with it. What will be will be |
Misslibra | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 10:19 pm     With only two black people in the house I can see why they would bond because of their color. I don't see that as using the so call "race card". But on the other hand watching Josh set around and whine all day yesterday, about how he is the Jew. And Jewish people have it as hard as black people, and how people don't like the Jews. Heck, I wouldn't even known Josh was jewish until he started bringing it up all the time. But my point is Isn't that more like playing the race card then seeing two people of the same color bonding because of their race? To me there is a difference. I think if Danielle decide to do what I'm praying she wont do, Marcel already told her if someone tries to save Josh with the veto power he wont put up Gerry, but will put up another one of the brat pack. I believe Marcel with keep his word about that. I also believe since Josh is the most disliked in the house she thinks she could win by keeping Josh around until the end. Apparently she didn't watch last years BB when Nicole tried to do the same thing by keeping Will around. If Danielle keeps Josh in the game I think it will without a doubt back fire. Danielle don't over play your hand, please don't over play it. Leave the noms as they are. You can get Gerry and Tonya out later. Although with Tonya I rather it be sooner then later. |
Oregonfire | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 10:32 pm     Evil Dr. Will was Jewish, and won the whole darn thing with hardly a mention of his heritage. Didn't Josh follow BB2 at all? Guess not. |
Cameltoes | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 10:54 pm     Yes C1, that's the best part of the Roddy/Marcellas conversation. He threw Danielle's game right back in her face. |
Snee | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 11:05 pm     i don't think dani is evil. she is playing exactly as she indicated to the viewers how she would play. this is a game. i don't think lying in this case is wrong at all. that said, i HOPE HOPE HOPE marce doesn't fall for any of her line. NO MARCELLAS, NOOOOOOOOOOO! |
Misslibra | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 11:07 pm     I agree with ya Snee. |
Ladytex | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 11:10 pm     But he did say that he told Danielle that the only way he'd put up Gerry was if she saved Tonya. Then it would be Gerry vs. Josh. In effect, Danielle would get what she wants, cuz the sex pack would gladly vote out Gerry. |
Misslibra | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 11:14 pm     Lady, you have refreshed my memory about that because I do remember that conversation. |
Bmh | Saturday, July 20, 2002 - 11:19 pm     I must say I am disappointed in Danielle..but I agree with you guys..She is making this show interesting and confusing at the same time!..I'm really starting to get into this season now..I cant wait till Monday to see what Danielle does |
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