Archive through July 15, 2002
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If Gerry said what they're saying he said...:
Archive through July 15, 2002
Willsfan | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:55 pm     Thanks! I knew Lisa didn't like Amy. I am disappointed she didn't have the guts to nom Josh. (I like Amy) |
Curlyq | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 01:59 pm     Kaili, that is exactly how I feel. If you want to say "I know in my heart that's not why I agreed to get rid of Marcellus," then great. Even greater if you feel the need to at least question "Gee, is it possible that was an unconscious factor in my decision? No I really don't think so." But to go on about it with the old "Some of my best friends are gay and black" seems silly to me. Has anyone ever been impressed by that? Personally, I thought Josh picked Marcellus because he knew Marcellus saw through his initial cool, funny guy act when they first met. Why so many of the others did it is the mystery. The "negative attitude" argument doesn't fly because the guy with the most negative behavior that night was Josh himself. Meanwhile they can't deny that they've made some insensitive cracks these last few days. Marcellus hasn't forgotten that black face remark I'm sure. All I'm saying is I want to hear what Gerry actually said before I worry about how these other people will appear to the public. In my opinion they already made themselves look bad in public before race became an issue anyway. |
Kaili | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 02:06 pm     I'm thinking maybe that they all went along with Marcellas for nomination because they didn't really know anyone and had to pick someone. Since they were already teaming up together, it was a safe decision to stick with it. His pouty routine later didn't help. Then again, feeds were not yet on so we really don't know the details of what went on the first few days. **I just got the new Dave Matthews CD in the mail...happy day for me!!!!*** |
Wink | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 02:21 pm     I almost lost my lunch when I read about Gerry wanting a Martin Luther King moment. Using Dr. King's name in the context of the BB media w***ehouse is almost blasphemous. This guy is so full of himself it's nauseating. |
Ryanc2002 | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 02:25 pm     I got modded...wow. Oh well. Am I the only one liking the 6 more and more? Not necessarily liking the others less... |
Kathyb | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 02:26 pm     It's almost shaking down like last year: Gerry is Kent and the Beautiful People are Chill Town. |
Bbwatcher | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 02:27 pm     I have no doubt that they will each get an opportunity in the DR to state their case. We can see for ourselves how they explain their feelings, but I agree with Ryn - without knowing for sure, I would bet many, and maybe most, of the others have more racist and homophobic feelings than Gerry. Saying Gerry was stupid to say how he felt is ridiculous. He may be verbose, but I think he'd decided to be totally honest - I applaud that!!! |
Snee | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 02:28 pm     imho, josh engineered the whole 'vote against marcellas' thing. he was most displeased when marcellas seemed to see through his class clown act right at the very beginning when they introduced themselves. he TOLD them marce had a negative vibe because he didn't want marce 'infecting' the others with his knowledge and they started to believe that's what they thought too. they were manipulated. that's what i think anyway. as far as gerry's remarks, it sounds like he's trying hard--and he did tell danielle he'd play the race card to try and save her and marce--but it comes off awkward and ingenuous. to tack onto something ryn said: how can people so into themselves think about someone else long enough to be racist or homophobic?! just sayin... |
Smileeys | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 02:31 pm     What if a white person's boyfriend/husband or girlfriend/wife was black - could that be used to show that person is not prejudiced? |
Ryanc2002 | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 02:35 pm     Smileey's - I don't think so. I mean someone could be like "I f'n hate black people. But hey, (s)he's pretty cool." Won't happen, but it could, so that in iself doesn't prove anything. |
Curlyq | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 02:44 pm     Well, I guess if you were being interrogated and had to prove you weren't prejudiced, than a black significant other would be good proof. LOL I just think that actions speak louder than words, and if you're treating people decently, no one will have reason to wonder whether or not you're a bigot. That's probably the easiest way to avoid accusations like that in the first place. It's like anything else in life. If you deny something a little too much it makes people question. Like if you want to appear honest, you don't go around saying "I swear I'm not lying. I swear I'm not lying." It just makes you look more guilty. |
Cameltoes | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 02:48 pm     I have personally known people in relationships with someone of another race who have made prejudiced comments. It has been more a matter of ignorance than malice but it can happen. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 02:55 pm     It sounds like Marc is telling Lisa that Gerry's speech at the table was not meant to imply that Gerry thought the others were racist....Marc said that it was Gerry recognizing *his own* latent bit of racism that he was rebelling against... At least that's what it sounded like he was saying. (The feeds cut into the middle of this conversation) |
Katrina | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 02:59 pm     It's kind of interesting how so many of these contestants go on these reality programs (which are mostly just fancied up game shows) and then feel the need to expound upon all manner of ethics and morals in the context of the game. The shows are mostly cheesy entertainment that we American masses make our guilty pleasures, somebody always wins the big prize, some of them get a little show biz work afterwards, and that's about all it adds up to. Yet so many of them seem to get all worked up trying to place the game in the proper moral/ethical context. They're very big on who does or does not deserve to win, on why other competitors' actions are unethical and theirs are not, etc., etc. Just seems like they are trying to inject extra drama and meaning into the game, trying to turn summer camp on TV into some kind of lifetime epiphany. Hard to figure one could ever have an authentic "MLK moment" on a reality game show in which they continued on as a game show contestant..... |
Ryanc2002 | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 03:02 pm     4 cameras, 12 houseguests, lets show 2 houseguests on all 4 cameras. Oh, sorry, wrong thread... I don't think gerry is racist, I think he just had a really big brainfart. |
Missy2 | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 03:04 pm     what bugs me about all this is they want to play the game - FAIR - but in the same breath Gerry says he is afraid that what he said won't make.....THE CUT. Right, if playing the game fair, honest, whatever was so important...he wouldn't be scared that he wouldn't have CAMERA TIME. Ugh. I don't mind that a lot of the people are actors but I do mind when they make it sound like TV air time! |
Ryn | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 03:13 pm     josh pisses me offf.... he is now saying "predjudice is hate" implying that gerry hates blacks and homosexuals. tonya says imagine his black & gay friends feel now seeing that. this is why I can't do this in live feeds ... HEY JOSH - get a freakign clue, marcel and daniell are both supportive of Gerry (I have seen both compliment him since the ceto thing). If ANYone would be offended it would be them. So Josh - SHAAAAAAADDDDAAAAAAP with your ignorant self-justifying BS!!!! whew - ty |
Lancecrossfire | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 03:24 pm     I work with a couple people that believe the best way to make yourself look better is to make everyone else look bad. Josh seems to have this approach. And he sems to be willing to use it to the point of hurting others. I wonder if Josh is related to the three people here at work. Oh, they also have a nasty habit of having an excuse any time they do something wrong--it's never their fault. Yep, Josh is related to them. Gerry, watch yourself; Josh just doesn't want you out of the house--he wants you to suffer. Hang in there Gerry |
Jhezzie | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 03:26 pm     I also don't think Gerry is a racist. However, he is just drowning in political correctness. What a maroon. And to drag MLK into it. Lame. |
Iceprincess | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 03:26 pm     Thanks Ryn my thoughts exactly!!!!!! |
Mslyegirl | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 03:37 pm     I totally agree Ryn. Josh was the first one to bring in race with the black face incident. So he should not be mad when race blow up in his face! |
Car54 | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 03:56 pm     Excellent job, Ryn ... I heard you and I am in Boston! Shut up Josh. |
Gouraphik | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 04:13 pm     I feel that Gerry with his "morality/MLK" speech this morning and the Veto speech was maybe letting his apparent love of Shakespearean soliloquies run away with him. Remember he is a theatrical actor as well as a teacher. So what he really may need is not a sensitivity class but a good playwright or speechwriter. I mean, he's no George W. Bush, but nonetheless...daaaaam! |
Wcv63 | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 04:20 pm     Has everyone forgotten the conversations Gerry had with Marc and Danielle regarding saying and doing this very thing in order to prevent Danielle from being put on the block? He was going to play this "card" so that if they were thinking of putting Danielle up it would reflect badly on the six. It was strategy not much based on anything but survival. It sounds as in implementing that strategy he made some comments that revealed his true and honest feelings. Or not. Depends on how you look at it and what was actually in his speech. |
Squaredsc | Monday, July 15, 2002 - 04:47 pm     well some of you know that i Had to get in on this conversation. da*n you sure miss a lot when you have to work. 1st i am not sure about gerry playing a "race card" to save danielle when he trys to save marcellas, not sure if thats good strategy and i know that i wouldn't go for that if i was her, did she agree with that? 2nd if that a** josh said anything about black-face in the wrong context then he would have a "black-face" in his face and i would make sure that both of us were kicked off. 3rd it seems that gerry was trying to do the right thing but it may have come out wrong, as far as the mlk speech. but i need to check the lf's to see what he said, even though it won't be the same as hearing him. 4th even though you may be married to someone of color or have friends of color, no this doesn't preclude you from being predjudiced(sp), i know this may not be the "politically correct" example but there were plenty of slave-owners who had mistresses of color and fathered children with them and they in turn sold those children or mistresses. look at thomas jefferson and sallie hemings. ok off my soapbox and going to check out some other discussions and feeds. |
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