Archive through July 17, 2002
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Archive through July 17, 2002
Maris | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:49 am     I think they are throwing anything out there and hoping it will stick. I think the idea that Amy is next on their list is out the window. They want Gerry gone. |
Iceprincess | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:51 am     You are right on the money Katrina. For anything they sing over so many seconds CBS will have to pay ASCAP or BMI based on how many viewers heard the music. Perhaps the houseguests should have learned some classical music to hum or make up words to. Those are public domain. Now if Michael Jackson didn't buy the Beatles stuff a few years ago, they could all be singing Beatles tunes. Kris --wonders WHERE she picks up this useless information and HOW she remembers it-- |
Iceprincess | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:52 am     Maris, I think Gerry is next on their list. Looks like they might start using Jason if they get HOH too. Putting people that they want out up against Jason because no one would vote for him to leave. |
Beagle | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:53 am     Yes, Tonya and Josh. Sorry about that  |
Maris | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:54 am     yes and I have to say I think Jason is a bit of a patsy. Watching him interact with Josh its like Josh is using him as his little toy. Go and find this out for me and report back. I think Jason is walking a dangerous line here. |
Ryanc2002 | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:55 am     Royalties aren't guarenteed guys. Gotta go to court first and I can't see a judge ruling in favor of the lables. |
Tabbyking | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:57 am     katrina, that was interesting to hear about health clubs having to pay for songs used during aerobics classes. at our club, the person leading whatever class just sets down his or her personal boombox and plays any cd they want. i can bet there is no permission granted for anything they play. hell, after seeing the pretzel i end up in trying to follow the exercise instructions, i'm not sure some of the moves are legal! lol |
Bigbrotherbelle | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:57 am     What I want to know is this. If the core four is Jo, E, Ch, and Li, why do I hear Ch and Li talking about how they needed to get Tonya in to have more girls to vote out the boys and the boys talking about how they will be getting rid of the girls? At the end of the day (as Chia likes to say), one of the sides of the core 4 (men vs women) will break the alliance to keep in an extra member of their sex to help get them to the end. At least that's how the guys discuss doing it. |
Maris | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 08:57 am     Maybe they are just afraid that some idiot is going to put out a BB3 CD like the Osbournes did. LOL. Personally I think they are smoking something if that is the case. |
Jan | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:01 am     Yep bbbelle, it is true that they are already disloyal tothe core alliance. The core 4 also have outside alliances ...Roddy and Eric with Josh to eliminate the girls and Lisa and Chi with Tonya to eliminate the boys. It's hard to tell which is the real core alliance with each one. I tend to think that Chi will go with Roddy over the girls..while the guys will definitely have no problems dumping the girls in the end, so the boys can be the final three..I think Roddy will have no trouble dumping even Chiara. |
Katrina | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:03 am     Iceprincess, you and I are on a wavelength! I was editing some of the same thoughts into my post as you were posting yours. Ryanc2002, there are lots of norms to the way businesses behave that avoid court altogether. It's about the normal course of business. Risking and defending lawsuits at every turn is not standard business practice. It's just too expensive and often pointless. Royalty issues have been well established by now. A judge would indeed rule in the music industry's favor. The legal questions that possibly remain vis-a-vis broadcasting copyrighted music on the 'Net are issues of how much payment, how many people are being broadcast to, etc. But the underlying royalty principle is already well established. There's no point going to court over an issue it is a guarantee they will lose just to make life a little more pleasant for the LF viewers, who we all know aren't the big production priority here anyway. |
Ryanc2002 | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:06 am     I still think posting music on the internet is a little different than someone singing, whether it's on camera or not. That would be like BMI suing ABC or NBC because somebody sang on a videoclip on America's Funniest Home Videos or SpyTV...LOL |
Iceprincess | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:12 am     Ryan, Believe it or not before they air those videos they DO check with ASCAP and BMI to ensure all bases are covered. They give their permission most times because it is publicity for their song. The same goes for American Idols, the music industry has their say in what they sing. Ever wonder why they keep repeating songs? (I think I have seen 3 people sing the same song.) The music industry is a very powerful entity. |
Katrina | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:14 am     Ryanc, it might be different if you were singing on the 'Net from your home through your personal netcam via a site you made freely available and from which you were not profiting. Maybe they could try to get you to cease and desist, but there wouldn't be the same exact royalty issues as with for-profit businesses. If they use the songs on AFHV or SpyTV, the royalties *are* being paid. Tabbyking, the rules may be different for different uses. Health clubs/instructors might be able to pay a flat industry use fee for a period of time, regardless of which songs they choose to use. I seem to recall something like that when a college roomie was taking courses on becoming a certified instructor. I believe there are other flat fee circumstances as well. And, of course, lots of small businesses aren't necessarily following all of the rules, as it's impossible for the industry to police everyone everywhere all the time. |
Katrina | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:16 am     Good point, Iceprincess! You are right, getting permission is the only way they can avoid paying royalties. |
Maris | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:17 am     They are very strict about copyright. It isnt even a song it can be just a few notes. I remember the lawsuit with George Harrisons "My sweet lord" and that was over just a few notes. He lost the case. That was about plagarism but I think it still comes down to who owns the notes. I am not expert on this. Also, they have to have some sort of control. To us its about the internet but to them its about the airways. They cant have HGs walking around singing all the time like Will did last year. I suspect they may have run into problems with Will's singing. We will never know if they settled claims that were made. |
Iceprincess | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:18 am     To throw another log on the royalty fire. I had a friend work in the industry so I know how all this stuff works. Hair salons, stores, restaraunts, any place that plays music MUST pay royaltys. There are snoopers that go around mostly to high priced places looking to see if they are skirting the royalty issue. My friend told me a story about going to a podunk place and fining these people so much they had to shut down the hair salon. They can be and ARE ruthless sometimes!! |
Bigbrotherbelle | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:18 am     BTW, I just read over my post and in the core four, I meant Ro instead of Jo. You know, how it is, I just can't stop thinking about Josh ;) |
Ryanc2002 | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:19 am     What about Josh? He sang Garth Brooks constantly...Methinks ASP is just paranoid, whether he's right or not I think it's a nonissue. |
Bigbrotherbelle | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:20 am     "I think Roddy will have no trouble dumping even Chiara." I totally agree, he's already preparing her for it and I noticed Eric doing the same for Lisa. |
Iceprincess | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:22 am     What I think is funny about the "core 4" is they have their own agendas. The girls are using Tonya to insure getting the guys out and the guys are using Josh to ensure getting the girls out. All of this comprising of the 6-pack, in which each gender is trying to screw the other. If Josh got ousted, this would throw off the balance for the guys, thus the reason I think they are trying to keep Jason on their side. Which is interesting becasue Jason seems playing all of them. |
Ryanc2002 | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:24 am     To clarify my latest post. the RIAA and BMI have bigger fish to fry than Big Brother, such as people who are directly profiting from or stealing songs. I don't think they're worried. |
Katrina | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:24 am     New question (I think): Do "we" the viewers think anyone has a really clever and original strategy this year? (A la Dr. Will lying to everyone and stating that to the cameras and in the diary room at every opportunity. Or Krista, Hardy, and Monica quietly making that alliance and then being completely not obvious about it for a long time and operating just as if they had no alliance with each other for weeks.) Anything new going on this year, or is it just the same old alliance shifting we've become accustomed to on the reality shows? |
Bigbrotherbelle | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:25 am     You know I am almost hoping that in the end it is just Ro, E, Ch, Li, Jo, and T just so I can see them crumble. But then that means one of them would have to win... |
Katrina | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:29 am     Ryan, CBS will require that any shows it purchases/broadcasts comply with industry standards. Any established production entity in Hollywood will do the same. That goose has been fully cooked for a long time. |
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