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Halfunit

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No, not yelling... correcting, LOL.

:)

Lurknomore

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Abigail I wasn't yelling at all (trust me you'll know if and when I YELL lolol). I just was saying if you watched her at all you would know and understand why we all felt this way.

Tweepee

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd rather see beefcake and breasts any day than the usual TV crap: cop shows, murder detective shows, kids in danger, lawyer-worship shows...

Isn't it interesting how almost every show on your TV is unspeakably violent, full of the most death- and crime-obsessed plots, but when a real-life daffy dimwit like Tonya shows off her "investments," people flip a lid? Oo! Sex! How terrible! Lock up the kids!

(I'm not saying you're losing your own head, Abigail; just a general observation about a cultural hypocrisy. Tonya's still a dork.)

Halfunit

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lurk - a big pet peeve of mine too... When I screw up (very rare, hee hee) I am the first to say, "My bad." It's not that hard... part of my frustration comes from hubby's job as a police officer... there will be a kid caught stealing on video tape and when the parents view it they STILL say, "Oh, that can't be...."

OK, now I'm really done!!!!!

PS - anyone catching the blame others convo on feed 4?

PPS - Yes Lurk, tag team !

Faerygdds

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Abigail.... I try my best not to be judgemental, but even *I* get annoyed with her. Everything she talks about is how "valuable" her THINGS are! I agree with the point of the bed. I mean.. we DO spend 1/3rd of our lives sleeping, BUT... the 10 grand boobs and the "I'd have to get a 2 carat ring" to say yes... all that CRAP is really annoying.

I know it's her insecurities, but my concept is this...

What would the money that she spent on those boobs do for her kids??? Ummm... send one to college for a year... buy them tons of clothes, feed them for a long time... but NOOOOOOOOOO...

She wants her boobs and het cat and her THINGS. What bothers me about Tonya is that she is SO concerned with her THINGS that the PEOPLE in her life are second best. That is a character flaw IMO! I can't feel sorry for her for choosing material possesions over people... and that's that...

ok.. stepping off soapbox now...

Micknrc

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I agree abigail, except for one thing...

On Survivor, for example, we see on hour edited out of 72. Plus extreme circumstances add to the 'editing' excuse of we don't see the 'real' them.

On BB with the feeds it's like being trapped in the house with them. And believe me, when Tonya's talking it's JUST like being trapped (2nd place: Lori talking Gerry's ear off in the mornings...) I think we get a VERY good idea of what they're like. Even more so that just from reading the LFPs, b/c it's hard to convey tone in those...i didn't have the feeds last year and can tell a huge difference. It's early in the game and I'm getting to know these people already pretty well--ESPECIALLY the ones who need to talk non-stop like tonya, Lori, etc.....

BTW, right now on the feed, Roddy is saying something about the type of person who can only talk about possessions or one topic about themselves being a "sign of being a real monkey...really stupid" T is standing there and I doubt she realizes that he's talking about people like HER!


Eliz: hee hee, I have more kids than....

Eliz87

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I for one can't afford the live feeds much less a boob job, liposuction, etc., which I arguably could use. ;-) So I'll just have take everyone's word for it re. Tonya's "real" personality. (Wonder if it will be accurately portrayed on the television broadcast eventually?)

P.S. On a side note, I also don't let too many things go NEAR my cho-cho!

Abigail1970

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was so kiddin about the yelling part. I'm not that sensitive, I know everyone has their own opinions. And I am kind of swimming here in this thread saying I like Tonya. She is not my favorite but she just doesn't annoy me yet.
Lurk - I totally agree with your post about personal responsibility!
"For example my misery with BB. I could turn it off, but being addicted I am choosing to stay. Therefore, this torture really is MY fault not Arnie's. NAW this IS his fault hehe" I choose to watch this show and yap about what I like and don't, if any of it really bothered me than I guess I would just have to turn it off. Hello, my name is Abigail and I am a BB addict..

Abigail1970

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And no tag teaming! :0)A

Halfunit

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eliz - PMP-LOL

Car54

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If you watch...Tonya is getting very little face time on the show. She is on camera but very seldom is she shown speaking.
I compare her editing to that of Zoe in S4- all along we had "Silent Zoe" and we all read all kinds of things into her personality.

Then she was booted and opened her mouth live, and we all fell out of our seats at how different she was in real life to how she had been portrayed on camera.

Watch the show. I hope they DO show the contest tho!

Angelbleu

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am confused...if she does not have custody of her kids why is David and his mother taking care of her kids as she said in one of her stories??

Jaydubzz

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Having been a reality-tv junkie back to Real World I (...and before that, "An American Family" in the '70s), Tonya stands out as one of, if not THE singlemost self-centered media-wh*re of the bunch. Listening to her go on interminably about her <insert material possession here> on the live feeds is getting to be like fingernails on a chalkboard. I thought I'd like her going into the show (she kinda' reminds me of an old flame), but her obnoxiousness knows NO bounds...when does it end??? (Hopefully when she gets the boot...soon!)

Wcv63

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For those attempting to defend Tonya, I applaud you. I too try to see the goodness in people, give them the benefit of doubt, try to avoid snap judgements etc. I'm sure she has some wonderful qualities (and I'm not talking about her bod). The sad thing is that I haven't been able to find any redeeming qualities.

__Tera

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Angel, I was wondering the same thing too. I heard her say that her mother (who doesn't know David very well) is helping David take care of the kids. Where is/are the father(s)?

How old are these kids? I have only heard her talk about the 1 that steals & lies and gets away with it.

Faerygdds

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
me either WCV.. and you know when it comes to issues I take the opposing view, but I always always defend people... but I just can't STAND her materialistic viewpoint of life! ARRRRRRRGH...

I SO need a nap....

Lurknomore

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WOW Angel I'm impressed...you listen to her stories? hehehe Truthfully I found I tune her out even if I leave the feed on (which more often then not I now turn off when she gets going). Would be interested in the answer though.

Scorpiomoon

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eliz87: I respect your attempt at trying to make many of see there might be more to Tonya than meets the eye.

But after reading your initial post, I was to wonder if we are watching the same person.

Tonya is NOT someone who has lived the stereotypical life of a mother of five who struggles to make ends meet. SHe knows how to work men to get what she wants and she'll admit to anyone.

To say she has not had opportunities because of lack of money is incredibly inaccurate.

I personally think Tonya is everything she seems. There's no depth lying beneath the surface. I do give her credit for being so brash about who she is and what she's about.

Maris

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 03:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I admire Tonya's ability to appraise jewelry. She can put a price tag on anything within ten seconds.

I admire that Tonya could tell a pedigree animal and its worth. Nobody is every going to pass a mixed breed on her.


I admire That Tonya is totally unaware of how shallow she is.

I admire that Tonya is able to compartmentalize her life with no guilt. Like she said, Hey my kids arent here...I am going to have fun.

I admire how she is able to put off any criticism and convince herself that all women are jealous of her.

Poor girl is going to be in for a shock I think when she comes out of the house. If she ever reads any of the boards I think she will not understand how people dont admire her.

Twiggyish

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 03:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Very true Maris. I bet Tonya sleeps well at night. She won't have ulcers, either.

Scorpiomoon

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 03:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris: "I admire how she is able to put off any criticism and convince herself that all women are jealous of her."

You got that right!

Maris

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
and you know the one thing I forgot because i hate the thought of it, she is one lady who knows how to put a dollar figure on a child.

Bastable

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tonya has a pocket-book for a heart.

Wcv63

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 04:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know how much her wedding ring cost. $14000.00. I also know she left it in her car. !?#$ I know she's got a $2,000.00 mattress. That her breast augmentation cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $13,000.00. Her "cat" was $4000.00. Her sharpei (which she didn't keep because it was "gross") she got on discount for $800.00 because it didn't have papers. She paid $300.00 for collagen lips.

Is it just me or is she OBSESSED with how much things cost?

I guess if anyone were to pipe in and say that Walmart, Target, Kmart and Payless were their favorite stores she'd be apopletic. BTW, those are my favorite stores.

Tweepee

Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 04:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63, are you kidding about those being your favorite stores? Isn't the idea of having a favorite store pretty consumerist in itself? ;-)