Is Josh using reverse psychology?
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Gouraphik

Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 11:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
First things first...I don't really know how I feel about Josh yet. While I respect his "Will-like" cunning, his Mike Boogie aspects are a real turn-off.

Anyway, when I was watching the TV show, I got a little riled up when Josh started to openly plot against Marcellas. Sure, he gets on my nerves, but I doubt that he was contributing the most "negative energy" in the house. It reminded me of when Nicole from BB2 was targeted by Mike and Chilltown...and we all know how that turned out.

So, in my smug little way, I wrote off Josh's plan as doomed to failure. But then I thought...what if that's what he wants?

What if Josh's goal is not necessarily to eliminate Marcellas (although he obviously wouldn't mind), but to use him as a tool to get rid of a larger threat...kind of like the opposite of the Mike/Chilltown plan to nominate Sheryl in order to ensure the elimination of Nicole?

What if Josh is banking on the houseguests' desire to sabotage his plan by talking up and trying to overtly influence the vote to go against Marcellas?

Being that Marcellas is a minority (a black male, who appears to be gay), as well as the fact that he's being targeted in such an open manner to begin with, trying to boot him out makes him seem more sympathetic, and less of a threat (note that I said "seem").

Given all that then, if Josh can persuade Lisa to put Eric or Roddy against Marcellas, the HG's may very well decide to "put Josh in his place" and kick out Eric/Roddy.

Or they may not. Josh wins either way.

If they defy his wishes, he gets rid of whoever he considers to be his "real" competition. If they obey, he knows that they're at least willing to go along with his plans (or too afraid or unwilling to do otherwise).

Of course, we're still missing at least 2.5 days worth of information. A lot of things could've transpired that we don't know about (and that won't be shown on TV). But if my hunch is correct, the other HG's better get rid of Josh pronto, because he's a major threat.

Kitt

Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 02:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think you're giving Josh too much credit. I've only seen him in one show but that was enough for me... if he isn't kicked out this week I may have to stop watching . He just came across as a complete idiot wannabe imho!

Puttergirl

Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 05:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kitt, I agree. I don't like him at all and I don't think he is really all that crafty. If I were in that house, he would have gotten on my last nerve the first night.

Catchpenny

Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 08:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He wants to be clever so bad, but I don't think this is what he's got in mind. Besides, he seems so pumped up and obsessed with 'the game' and his plans, that he probably would've blabbed his true intentions to the diary room just to get it out and show everyone what a mastermind he is.

Maris

Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 08:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I am going out on a limb here but my "gaydar" is getting little tingles. Does anyone here think that Josh may be a "sister"??????

Delilah

Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh isn't smart enough, doesn't he know what happened to the Booger? Best strategy for now - Lay low and be nice to everyone, Josh is "overworking it."

Wink

Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 08:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Is Josh using reverse psychology?" Gouraphik somehow I doubt it. I think you have to have several functioning brain cells for that to be effective.

Maris

Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 09:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The difference between Josh and Will was that Will let everyone know he was a liar and a cheat. It was magic watching Will tell people dont trust me, I will lie to you and screw you and they would agree and say you are evil, I will never trust you but he always left this little seed that just maybe he would treat them differently. Will was Machiavellianly brilliant and Josh unfortunately reminds me of Justin in terms of the capacity of his brain cells.

Snee

Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 09:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
snee doesn't like josh.

Bbintervention2

Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 09:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He does not appear to be following any distinct strategy other than make as many false alliances as possible as early as possible. lol He'll be seen through quickly enough. He's being way too obvious. He'll become an early target early on, I predict.

Kaili

Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 09:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can see him getting put up for nomination possibly if he doesn't win the veto challenge. And if he does, I wonder if he would make any changes (based on what may happen in the house between now and then)

Seamonkey

Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 10:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh combines all of the Bad aspects of Boogie, Will and Justin from last year. Slime.

I see nothing endearing about him, no shred of talent. And I hope he's not around long enough for me to find out much more.

Cliotheleo

Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 11:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now granted, I LIKE Josh, but I've never understood the desire to see someone you don't like kicked out. If the house was full of nothing but enjoyable people, wouldn't that be a bit boring? Don't we need a villian? Mine is Gerry at the moment, but that doesn't mean I want him out, I get to hear/see him do things that annoy me all the time and THAT gives ME something to whine about. :)

Cliotheleo

Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 11:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh and Maris, I thought the same thing for a bit, but he's got a g/friend that apparently he's not willing to risk losing even if it means getting to hook up with Lisa, so I guess not.

Unless of course that's a lie like the thing about being a "long term substitute" was.

Muse

Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 11:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My gaydar sort of goes off when it comes to Josh too, Maris. I don't think he is gay, but I might wonder upon first meeting him (if I knew nothing about him, obviously). :)

I don't think Josh is smart enough to use reverse psychology in this game, at least not in a subtle way. Nothing he does is subtle. He's just really...clumsy when it comes to strategy. He can't act worth a darn, and he just doesn't have the personality/attitude that inspires trust.

Will, though, was a charmer. He could lie and get people to believe him even though he's already told them he'd lie. Even if they didn't like some of the things he'd done, he's the type that a lot of people would just be drawn to, and would *want* to like. He was funny, relatively attractive, intelligent, fun, and well-spoken (to many, at least - particularly those who didn't see as much of the nastier or more immature side, like we viewers did). I think most people would agree that Josh isn't really any of those things.

Bigfan

Friday, July 12, 2002 - 08:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Josh is smart enough to even spell reverse let along psychology!

Floresmama

Friday, July 12, 2002 - 08:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Unfortunately as I witness in the conversation a few hours ago. Josh is one sharp cookie and as arrogant and disgusting as he is he doesn't miss anything that is going on. He is so slick it is disgusting.

As for the reverse psychology I think he is capable but that is not what is happening in this case. As he stated earlier the 6 pack alliance has much more to fear from Marcellas than from Lori. Which is absolutely correct from where I am sitting. Marcellas would be a much greater loss to us the viewer and at the same time a much bigger threat to their "plans"

Gouraphik

Friday, July 12, 2002 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, as I stated earlier, we were missing quite a lot of information at the time that I composed the initial post (11:40 PM on July 10), but I still stand by what I wrote.

Now that we can observe Josh via the feeds, it's easier to get a feel for his strategic style. He didn't do what I thought he might, but I still think he's capable of such a feat. I feel that it's a bit early to just write him off as being "like Mike" right now. I'm not rooting for him (I'm hoping Marcellas can survive somehow...if only for the comic relief), but appearances can be deceiving.

For now, though, I'll wait to see how he reacts to the "twist" before I make any other judgments. I think that's only fair.

Dovedzwiek

Friday, July 12, 2002 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Why would anyone want the person that they don't like the most to be evicted?

Well, for one, I don't see Josh as a "villian". I've always seen "villians" as crafty, coniving sorts. Josh is too transparent for me to see him as a villian. I think the only reason I have strong feelings of dislike for Josh is because the other houseguests seem so ignorant to his transparancy. I honestly don't think I'd feel strongly one way or the other about him if the houseguests would just "out him" (not in the homosexual sence) but by just saying out loud,"Hey buddy..we know how to play the game and you are trying way too hard and your 'strategy' is as transparent as your fake tooth." instead of listening to him and acting like he's being cunning and letting him go on making a fool of himself and wasting the fans time.

I want him to LEAVE THE HOUSE ASAP so that I can spend more time watching the REAL PLAYERS in the house and less time trying to duck and weave to see over and around Josh's big head and even bigger mouth.

Sallycat

Friday, July 12, 2002 - 07:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh told us he was good with the ladies. Has anyone seen any of that? I think he may just have a very good imagination and an exaggerated sense of self worth.