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Mystery

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 09:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I definitely think that being a woman and allowing a relative stranger to slap you on the ass shows a lack of self esteem.

I guess the voices in Josh's head have convinced him that the women not only enjoy being swatted on the ass but are also really thinking, all the time, "Get thee behind me, swatman!"

Costacat

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mr_, you are allowed your opinion. But I am a woman, and it offends me to have ANYONE slap me on my behind. It's bad enough that this version of BB tends to objectify the women (men, too). It feels, to me, that the women were chosen because they are young and might add that bit of "spice" that BB needs to help with ratings.

But that is irrelevant. Slapping a woman on her rear end implies a familiarity with that woman, implies "ownership". And a woman who allows that to happen either doesn't have any self-esteem, or is just as sexist.

As to Josh's slapping the men... Marcellas is gay (and to some hetero men, that implies he is not a man -- an I am NOT starting that thread and I do NOT believe that for a second!).

Josh is controlling the people in the house, by his words and his actions.

My opinion; my opinion only.

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 10:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chyang, past history has shown that attenpts to contact BB has resulted in no comments back from them at all. However there is nothing wrong with trying:)

If no one tells Josh the behavior is not ok, it's going ot be taken as ok to do. (at least by Josh, and BB until someone complains)

It's kind of like the hugging and kissing stuff--they do that all the time with each other. I'm not sure how that is any different. The women have made it clear they don't wnat Gerry doing that to them, although I don't know if they have made it clear to Gerry.

I bet from Josh's point of view, he sees it as ok if he doesn't hear any complaints. Not saying that he should or shouldn't do it as a respect issue. I wonder why this is a bigger issue than hugging and kissing?

Twiggyish

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 10:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cat, I agree with what you have to say.
He's testing his limits with them

Costacat

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 10:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
P.S. Smacking someone on the rear end is not the same as hugging/kissing someone. When you walk past someone and they reach out and smack you one, that's one person instigating to another. And you may not see it coming.

When someone walks up to hug and/or kiss you, you are usually face-to-face. There are indications of what is going to happen. *Usually* there is no element of surprise.

A hug or a kiss, to me, is an affectionate way of greeting or comforting someone.

Smacking me on the a$$ implies a control, S&M thing, and tends to be more about sex than greeting or comfort.

Again, my opinion...

Loppes

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 11:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh is increasing obnoxious. I found his behavior on tv last night sick. Slapping a woman's butt is simply rude, ignorant and disgusting behavior by any man.
I am thinking Josh is nervous as heck to be nominated and he masks his low self esteem, with his repulsive jokes and behavior. Inside his head he is one insecure dude.
Lon

Vickel

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You have to remember the type of girls we are dealing with here. Maybe a few of them don't care that josh is hitting their butts. I know if it were me, i would've hauled off and hit him the first time and the second time (if he dared) i would marched right in and put in a complaint. A guy i know was arrested for allegedly grabbing some girls butt. it's a little extreme but, knowing that i would've gotten josh kicked right off the show! They should've picked me to be on the show (i tried!), i woudn't have put up with alot of the crap that's going on.

Max

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Josh smacked me on the rear, I'd smack him back the first time. The second time, I'd ask him if he really needed that hand 'cause if he kept smacking me with it, he might just lose it. Both these times, I'd be smiling and acting in a joking manner, just like he was doing.

The third time, I'd be deadly serious with him and say something like, "Okay, that's enough with the hitting. The joke has run dry and I'd seriously apreciate it if you'd keep your hands to yourself." If it happened again, I would stop being polite and start getting real (yes, that's from Real World). I'd be real while I was yelling in his face to keep his filthy hands off me. I'd be real while I went in the diary room and complained to the producers that, despite my requests for this man to stop hitting me, he continued to do so and they better have a chat with him. I'd be real in informing every other HG that they should reiterate with Josh that I meant what I said when I told him to stop hitting me.

If the behaviour continued after that, well I'm not sure what I'd do while in the house, but I'd definitely consider some action once I left. Yes, attorneys would probably be involved.

In real life, I'd walk away and stay away from a jerk like this, but that's not possible in the BB house.

Adorable67

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
GO MAX GO!!! I would probably smack him right where it counts though....

Needmylifeback

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sorry! It was Justin and not Josh that got evicted last year - do I get a point for getting at least an initial correct??? LOL!

If Josh had smacked my tush - I would have been in that Red Room/Diary Room so fast and would have been complaining at the top of my lungs to have him out of there if it happened to anyone after that. . . I think the game would be so much more interesting with him out - He's not being "real" except for being a real jerk. He's pretending to be 1/2 dozen people - does that mean when he is nominated and evicted he doesn't have to go because he can say he was Will at the time of nomination???

Costacat

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 01:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You got THAT right, Need! Most definitely, I agree with you. About scramming to the DR immediately, about how more interesting the game would be sans Josh!

Llkoolaid

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember when I was a teenager way back in the 70's how men like Josh would slap women on the butts and there were women who giggled at it or didn't complain. I thought they all died.

If someone complains could Josh be given a penalty nomination for this. It is assault, so why isn't he reprimanded without a complaint.

They are all thinking with a mob mentality so maybe they are afraid to complain and become the next Marcellus or Gerry.

Costacat

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm watching last night's show right now, and when Josh smacked Tonya on the rear, she GIGGLED!!! So, quite obviously they all didn't die.

I'd totally love to see Josh get a penalty for this. It's pretty obvious that not everyone appreciates his hand!!!

Bunnyfoof

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If this happened at my workplace, the slapper would be in a world of trouble. For years, women didn't dare complain for fear of retaliation. If they complained about Josh, yeah, maybe he'd get a penalty. And then the complainer would be marked. Same old story.

Deadzone

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It seems to me that these people are so afraid of causing waves that might lead to their demise that they put up with a lot more than they would in the normal course of a day. I don't think any of the women would put up with Josh on the outside.

Earthmother

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I did not hear one person complain about what he was doing and until they do he will keep doing it no matter how we personally feel about it. As horrifiying as it sounds in some cases these pats are terms of endearment and the girls in this house don't appear to turn down any form of attention. I think he's a smarmy jerk, but then I'm not getting my butt whacked by him or he would already be packing. I would be smearing him to anyone who would listen and he would be next out...

Snee

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
don't slap snee-butts. grrrr.

Costacat

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Snee...

ROTFLMAO!!

Grrr for me, too. Josh, honey? I double-dare you to slap MY butt!

Grooch

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Didn't Danielle give him a real death look that said "Don't you ever even think about smacking my ass again!"

And has he ever smacked her butt again, after that?

Also, didn't Amy also smack his butt when he wasn't looking and he got pissed off about it?

I think 1/2 don't complain because they "like" him and don't care, or that they are putting up with it to make them think they like him.

An the other 1/2 are afraid to say anything because they don't want to be targeted for the next eviction.

To bad Nicole and her knives aren't in there with him.

Earthmother

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Picture Will slapping Nicole on the butt....omg knives would be flying all over the house.

Dahli

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Anybody notice during the conversation last night about Gerry and his hand washing that Josh was laying in Tonya's lap and rubbing her legs... up and down,over and over?
There was something so gross,creepy and perverted about it like he was getting away with something that he knew she wouldn't stop him even if she wanted to - eeeyuk - to me he is evil personified and not the good kind of evil like Dr Evil either!

Earthmother

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
and how does that make the girls look that allow him to do it? Very few endearing qualities of many hgs in my opinion.

Mystery

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Earthmother, that made me laugh out loud.

Dahli, I totally agree. That's just how I felt -- creepy-- while watching it, for exactly that reason. Ick.

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, it is a place of employment, and their contracts cannot negate the laws. Sexual harassment in the work place is still binding.

Of course for that to happen, the person has to complain. Lots of times when a person complains after a period of not saying anything (which implies it's ok to do) then taking actions such as firing takes more. (usually because the person doing it says they allowed it before and are now complaining for xxx reasons).

Bottom line is that if someone complains, BB is going to have to hold Josh (or anyone else) to the fire about it.

Draheid

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Things that make you go Hmmmm....

wasn't it Justin who coined the phrase on BB2

"not for nothin'"

and haven't I heard Josh using the same phrase several times??

Hmmmmmmm

Squaredsc

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 02:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
josh is <mod-K> and he would have been knocked the *$^@k out if he attempted to touch my butt.

Ddsbarefootagn

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 05:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG I'm watching the live show and Josh is making me wanna blow chunks! That nasal-y, whiney ass voice!!!! Gawd, it makes me want to jam something in my eardrums so I never have to hear it again!

And laying across the chair in the Diary Room! It's like "ok, you're intruding on me, but I'll come in here and talk to you". I would SO show him the door!

Please let someone who hates him as much as I do get HoH!!!!

Dogdoc

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 06:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I found his behavior in the diary room tonight to be obnoxious. He looked like he was wearing pajamas and he couldn't even sit up to talk. Please hoh nominate him!

Twiggyish

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He knows it's televised. It's all part of his game.

Mr_Bozack

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Alright, I'm not even going to bother attempting to justify the butt-slapping as harmless flirting, or funny, or bonding or anything else that it could be preceived as. If no one has raised any complaints in that house (correct me if I'm wrong if you no for sure), whether it was to him directly or in confidence in the diary room, I'm sure he'd be warned and it would come to a stop.

Think rationally about this for a sec'. If any of the women, or men, wanted him to stop and they were worried that if they requested this it would make them look bad and possibly lead to their nomination for eviction, all they'd have to do is complain about the harrassment to the producers in the diary room where they could have complete anonimity, and they would tell him to stop, or he would have to leave, because the producers wouldn't want to find themeselves in a lawsuit for not putting a hault to Josh's unwelcome "sexual harrassment" or "assault". Does anyone out there disagree with this? So if they don't mind, then why should you be so upset about it if Josh isn't slapping YOUR ass?

And also, if any of you ladies out there on these boards enjoy, or at least wouldn't mind, getting your butt slapped occasionally, I assure you that I wouldn't assume that you have low self-esteem, or that you're loose sexually, or that you're a c**k-tease, or you were raised by bad parents, or that you couldn't possibly participate in that kind of activity and still not consider yourself a down-ass feminist for life. All I would just assume is that you don't mind getting your ass spanked playfully in a friendly manner by certain people. That's all I'd be thinking.

Bohawkins

Thursday, July 18, 2002 - 07:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lancecrossfire ... Contracts for performers can and do fly in the face of sexual conduct laws, to wit: gentleman's clubs, porn (the legal kind) and other film, as well as other sexually oriented businesses. Many other contracts exist in other situations (for example, sports contracts) which are agreements, which will circumvent or forego protections provided under the law under normal circumstances. It is whatever creates the quid pro quo, which provides the balance for what is being surrendered, either in time or dignity or loyalty or other considerations. A common tritism is that a person cannot sign away their legal rights, when, in fact, such exclusion from their normal rights is exactly what many contracts are for the purpose of accomplishing, in other words, the contract provides new specialized legislation, which is specifically limited to the agreeing parties for which sufficient consideration has been, or will be, exchanged.

Kapow

Friday, July 19, 2002 - 07:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is another area where Josh is disrespectful. He has on multiple occasions called people "retards" or "retarded". He has imitated people with cognitive disabilities in a mocking way many times. As a person who works with people with disabilities, I find him offensive. He is obsessed with the "race" card, but he himself is classifying a segment of the population very negatively. I noticed it on the first show - and thoughout live feeds. Funny that he thinks himself above categorization but does it frequently.