Why no REAL 'fat girl' in the house, but we get George, Gerry, Kent, etc.
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Why no REAL 'fat girl' in the house, but we get George, Gerry, Kent, etc.
Sobaditsgood | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 01:49 pm     Hey again Ghost - I wouldn't be afraid to cast such a person, if I were a producer. I honestly wouldn't! I'd be pretty darned excited about being a maverick, and that's the truth. As for lawsuits - I'm sure their contracts leave little wiggle room for crying foul about hurt feelings or 'emotional trauma' or suchlike, given the nature of this show... I mean, being locked up with a bunch of strangers you didn't choose for some number of months - it's a situation that's ripe for exactly that kind of lawsuit (name 'Krista' ring a bell?) and I'm sure they have their, um, assets fairly well covered contractually in the event such a lawsuit should arise. |
Ghost | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 01:51 pm     Eliz87, Apparently one of the female British BB HG's, was/is a *REAL* person and got torn to pieces by the public/news papers in the UK. To the point where the girls mother is reported to have said that once the girl gets out of the house, and finds out what people are saying she may become suicidal (later denied that this was said). I read a thread about it somewhere, not a Britsh BB follower myself but it's not a stretch to think the same would happen here with American BB. |
Eliz87 | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 01:52 pm     *sigh* I think it's important for all of us not to be coy and ask what is "fat" and what is not. We all know the answer to that. While it is true that "fat" is a SOMEWHAT objective term, for people who are truly fat (and I'm including myself in this group, so please don't jump on me anyone), ANYONE who looks at them might think, "He or she is fat." Somehow the adjective "fat" has a negative connotation to it, although it is simply another way to describe a person -- tall, short, blonde, brunette (which is also objective), fat, skinny, whatever. Let's not be like Bill Clinton and be like, "It depends what your definition of IS is." We all know what fat means. ;-) |
Sobaditsgood | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 02:00 pm     Thanks Eliz - you summed it up real well, anyone who looks at the person would think 'he or she is fat.' Maybe I should've tried that instead of the toes touching thing which seems to have hurt some feelings (I really didn't mean to!). Agreed also about the word itself having a negative connotation. This is why I agreed with whoever said earlier (Mr-B I think) that many women go straight for the weight thing when they want to be catty. Others said that was itself a stereotype, that not "all" women do that... and of course not all do, but of the ones who are inclined to be snippy and catty, he was exactly right - they zero in on the weight as though that's the very worse thing you could call someone: fat. Me, I figure it's just another handy descriptive. Fat people know they're fat, after all, whether people tiptoe around the language or not, so why patronize people? *shrug* |
Eliz87 | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 02:02 pm     Precisely. |
Ghost | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 02:05 pm     Sobaditsgood, I agree with you, a well casted person in that role would be great for the show (unfortunately, they wouldn't last long, other HG's would make sure of that). As for contracts, in my experience they are usually about as good as an ashtray on a motorcycle should the poop really hit the fan, esp. in this day and age where everyone seems to want to sue everybody else for the smallest little thing. (BTW Sobaditsgood, since this board doesn't have a private msg function. I'm not trying to tick you off, just having a little fun exchanging ideas is all ) |
Ginger | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 02:15 pm     I think I disagree about the sentiment that a "fat" person is simply someone who we would see and think "he/she is fat." Yes, this is sometimes a fairly objective assessment, but for those who are say 5-25 pounds overweight, there is much dispute. Some would see these people on TV and consider them not overweight, others would call them fat. As we've seen on BB, anyone who has an inch to pinch is called fat by many viewers and fellow houseguests (as in the case of Autumn). |
Sobaditsgood | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 02:18 pm     Ghost - Anybody can sue anybody.. doesn't mean they'll wind up getting anything. Seems to come down to whether or not you wind up before a jury. Juries have been traditionally sympathetic to the person filing the suit when it's a "regular person" as opposed to a company but in recent years with the rise in frivolous lawsuits, the tide of favor is turning and it's not quite the easy money it used to be. This is why companies are not so quick to try and settle things out of court as they used to be... alot of them are being advised to take their chances with a jury, who just might be resentful of the person they perceive as out to make 'easy money' with a frivolous suit. So I can't agree that contracts are worthless just because anybody can sue anybody. The mere ability to file a lawsuit has nothing to do with the existence (or non-) of a contract. Thanks for the reassurance Ghost, but I didn't have the impression you were trying to tick me off... in the event you were, please be advised for future reference that you'll have to try a little harder because I am notoriously and sometimes maddeningly unflappable. Exchanging ideas is good! I'm for it, personally, so long as I'm not the one called upon to define "idea"...but if I am, I promise I will not devise any definition that includes toes or the touching thereof. Whew! |
Oregonfire | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 02:22 pm     Being "fat" is measured by the "fat to muscle ratio" in a person's body. If you join a gym, they run a "body fat test." At the gym I went to, if 30% of your body weight is fat as opposed to muscle, bone, etc, then you would be considered overweight to an unhealthy extent. A body fat measurement of 15%-25% is considered healthy/normal. But whether or not someone "looks" fat is a subjective measure, IMO. There is NO WAY anyone could call Autumn fat from BB2 last year in my book, but someone else might say "Yes she was" and so on. |
Eliz87 | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 02:33 pm     My point was not about Autumn, or Amy, or Karen, or Cassandra, or other women with similar body types. I'm talking about someone that ANYONE would say is fat. Maybe the more proper term would be obese. Examples are: Wynonna Judd (who, IMHO, is quite beautiful in addition to being obese), Rosie O'Donnell (no one could argue she is quite heavy), Roseanne Barr (although I've not seen her lately), Star Jones (who is also a beautiful woman and incidentally carries her weight well), Cameron (sp?) Manheim from "The Practice," etc. There's a big difference between these women's body types and the body types of the "average" plus-sized gal. "Fat" would be an appropriate descriptive in their cases. |
Ghost | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 02:33 pm     Sobaditsgood, Agreed that it comes down to what a jury has to say. But for a company like CBS (high public profile) the negative publicity can be the most damaging thing, not the settlement, rarely do we hear about who wins or looses such cases, only that they were filed. Should a HG sue or attempt to on the grounds that BB set them up for a fall, it's going to look bad for CBS and the show if the HG can make even a remotely decent case (Krista's attempt was an obvious grab for money and had no foundation at all). Point being that CBS is going to try cover themselves upfront and not open the door if they can avoid it. As for the rest, I'm just going to have to try harder next time and see if I can flap the unflappable ;) Oh and nice save on the last bit .. lol
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Oregonfire | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 02:42 pm     Yes, someone being obese is definitely something that more people would agree on if they saw that person. I wasn't addressing anyone in particular, just adding my two cents in a general way. Wait, what were we talking about again? This thread is confusing. |
Thefan | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 02:47 pm     Hey, can I be the fat woman they pick for next years show? After all of the conversation it has started on this board alone, the producers are sure to notice. I am neat, clean, not ugly, overweight, but most importantly intelligent. Anyone know anyone in CBS who can get me in |
Eliz87 | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 02:53 pm     LOL Thefan, I'm in line right behind ya! |
Rachel | Wednesday, July 17, 2002 - 09:08 pm     Thefan, lol...I was just going to say that!! Now tell me this...all these 'chicks' running around in their bikinis makes me wonder if me being 40 pound over weight would be "MADE" to where a bikini or can I wear my shorts and t-shirt in the pool, hot tub, and during competitions? |
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