Anyone else listening to this crap?
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Anyone else listening to this crap?
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:32 pm     It seems to be a no win situation. People complain about older folks who are "fat and ugly", and othres complain about the "model, fake" type. We hvae complaints about them talkinga bout the game too much, and also complaints about them being real and getting to know each other--which comes with just talking about your everyday life to another person. We have people who complain about them fighting and yelling and saying nasty things about each other, and we have complaints that they aren't there to play--they just want a summer camp. I know I like the honest up froont people. Others call them boring. I don't like the dishonest, backstabbing "freaks" (as Kent would call some). Others fiund them good entertainment and that they make the game what it is. It seems that everyone likes something a little different, and it's Arnie's job to try and give as many of us as much of those as possible. I think it's unreasonable to expect game playing all the time--or them doing something for our amusement. Living out 90 days is going to be boring a lot of times. They would go insane if the game were notched up every waking minute. Also, we have to accept the fact that once they get in the house, they want it to be as stess free as possible. They aren't going to keep someone who screams at everyone. As fun as it might be for good TV, they aren't going to be thinking of that. They will think of what it atkes to 1) win and 2) make it as easy as possible on themselves. They didn't sign up for Ecochallenge or Survivor. They signed up to be in a house for 90 days and kick out other people and not be kicked out themselves. They are going to be very boring to us on a frequent basis, and they won't care. |
Ryanc2002 | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:35 pm     IAWTP LanceCrossFire. |
Lurknomore | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:36 pm     Ah but Lance, they DID sign up for Big Brother, and I'd like to know where it is written that means B O R I N G. My point is the way to win is to cast interesting folks who will make it amusing. While folks may disagree what constitutes that, they know it when they see it. Put in a Kevin and Drew from the Amazing Race. A Rudy from Survivor. And so on. That is what will make this show not only work but be a hit IMHO. |
Peachie | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:38 pm     And now we have the basketball. Oh did I miss that basketball. NOT!!!! This might be just the thing to make me stop watching it all. LOL |
Ryanc2002 | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:38 pm     Lurk - I think the biggest misconeception is that they are in that house for the purpose of entertaining us. They're in the house to play a game, which just happens to be on TV, if you're not entertained by that...then...well... |
Car54 | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:42 pm     But they are playing a game on TV, and the purpose of TV IS to entertain us. It is a TV show, not a sports event. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:43 pm     The best times when they actually TRIED to really "entertain" us was when Jamie and George did those insane infomercials....remember the "hose water" infomercial? |
Ryanc2002 | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:45 pm     Car54...I've said it before, I'll say it again. The game does not need the TV show. They could very easily, with a smaller prize, do this as an independent internet project. |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:46 pm     Ryan--IAWTP? (sory for not knowing) Lurk, some people are finding this show better than the other 2 and some think it's horrible. I agree that casting interesting folks who make it amusing will be a winner. Yet, we've seen that everyone has a different definition of what that is. That is what is so hard about this show...making it fun and interesting for 90 days straight. None of the other shows have that going on--they show 60 minutes out of 3 days. I'd be willing to be if there were live feeds for AR, Mole, and Survivor, a lot of people would be using the word "boring" more often for them. I bet Arnie could make it much more exciting if he only had to show 60 minutes out of 3 days. Now, I also think we wouldn't be getting much out of it because they can't do everything in 60 minutes--but what they wold show would be much more exciting. I think the responsibility is with both the HGs to be engaging (interact with each others) and the prodcution crew to create situations that are competitive, and bring out the difference all of them have. A little conflict is what the show is about, although they can't be going through conflict for 90 days straight. Rudy--the guy who knew Burrnett from a previous Ecochallenge? Rudy, the guy who made remarks about homosexuality that when made by anyone else since was blasted all over internet sites? Actually I was a Rudy fan because I liked the way he played the game--honest, straughtforward, and he never made waves--boring in most people's eyes. |
Zeyna | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:46 pm     Survivor or AR players can't really be compared to BB people. I'm sure that Kevin or Rudy would not be as exciting if they were watched 24/7. I believe they need *unique* individuals, whether they are beautiful or ugly or fat, whatever, as long as they are interesting in some way and provide a perspective that us watchers find entertaining or amusing. |
Ryanc2002 | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:48 pm     Lance: IAWTP=I Agree With This Post. Sorry, I'm a Newsgroup junkie. |
Car54 | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:50 pm     Ryan, you are absolutely right...that is what it COULD be...but that is not what it is. I almost posted the exact same thing...this game could be privately replicated fairly easily..but for the most part, these players are in the GAME for one of two reasons...exposure or the money, so taking it off TV or reducing the prize would take most of the players we have known out of the pool! Do you think CBS would have any reason to produce this event if it was not filling TV time...and TV is about entertainment and fans and ratings. |
Ketchuplover | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:52 pm     NO |
Ryanc2002 | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:55 pm     Car54: What I mean is the game is entertaining in itself, without the producers trying overly hard to manufacture stuff for the purposes of entertainment or busting their balls to cast the perfect cast, which, as Lance said, can't be done (Casting the perfect cast.) |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:57 pm     Car, you are correct about it being a TV show--and I thikn that is what causes many of the things we (some) end up complaining about. We can't have our cake and eat it too. Heck, last year I'd bet there were at least as many posts about Hardy's looks as about the way he played the game--maybe more. Yet there are calls for "everyday looking people". Ryan I agree with you that BB doesn't need to be on TV, although it generates more money by being on TV. Zenya, I agree with you that Kevin/Drew wouldn't be seen in the same light as they were on AR--and I think part of that is that they would play the game differently, so we would think of them differently. Great conversations everyone. I think all points made are valid and just about all or true/correct. So, is it possible to make it exciting all the time, still have 24 hour live feeds, and make it reasonable for them to survive each other? |
Cameltoes | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:58 pm     I agree Zeyna - uniqueness is what ultimately attracts me. Having watched some Real World casting specials the unique applicants have a certain *it* quality and stand out from the rest. It would be interesting if BB ever did a casting special to get a look at the rejected finalists. |
Ryanc2002 | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 05:00 pm     Lance: No, you're not going to get all of those things. I think it's time to just enjoy Big Brother for what it is, rather than wishing it was something more, or something less. |
Zeyna | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 05:05 pm     Camel, that's a great idea...they could do a casting special and then let the audiance pick the cast (or at least a few people) |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 05:05 pm     Ryan, I didn't think I could get all those things, although many people have better problem solving skills than I do. If someone would come up with something thaht coudl get us all that, I'd be backing it in a heartbeat. As much as I enjoy the show, I also love the idea of the game itself, as well as discussing the philosophies of different subjects--BB included. I think if I were on BB, I'd be considered a more boring person. I'd try to talk to everyone about most any topic, and do my share of work. I would avoid alliances and backsatbbing/scheming. My guess is I'd only be boring for a week--I'd be out kicked out by then! LOL Like I said, great exchange of ideas everyone. |
Ryanc2002 | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 05:10 pm     I understood Lance, just adding another .02 to my bank account. I'm a nerd, I'm boring, but I wouldn't hesitate to drop the guillotine on someone. |
Kathyb | Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 06:57 pm     Lance: There were lots of posts about Hardy's looks, yes - but I bet there were more about Will's shenanigans. Personally, I'd opt for personality over looks every time. |
Cliotheleo | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 02:10 am     Now I'm not much a believer in the "everyone in the house is a plant" theory, but Amy just said that she quit her job a week before coming into the house because "I knew, I mean I was pretty sure, I was gonna be on the show" so was that a mental slip-up or did she REALLY know for certain she was gonna be on the show and temporarily forgot she wasn't supposed to say that? [insert Twilight Zone theme here] |
Resortgirl | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 06:39 am     I have to admit that I've liked all three shows immensly. Maybe it's because I live in a small, sometimes VERY boring town with not much going on... but it's very interesting to me to watch a diverse group of people interacting. The SMUT talk this year is WAY over the top, but other then that... it's all good! |
Mindyrama | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 06:53 am     Ok, I'm peeved after reading this thread..since I was a BB reject. I don't understand how they are ALL claiming to have been recruited (but seem to know so much about the past shows). Also I read an article about how these folks are true fans of the show so it will be more cut throat (quote from Arnie himself) Pffft! Someone's lying. They all suck! Ok, so I'm still bitter about being rejected. |
Chiparock | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 07:05 am     Oh, how I long for the intelligence and quick wit of Curtis from BB1. Remember the "Trinitron Dance?" Or how he discovered that Josh was the "saba-twa?" He was underappreciated, IMHO. So what if he had a few zits? His imperfection (so minor!) made him real. If it weren't for Curtis, I don't know if I would have continued watching "Brittany the virgin cuddle-sl~t" or "Karen the Crazed Housewife" who publicly dissed her poor husband. Well, casting certainly isn't what it was! |
Bastable | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 07:53 am     Yeah, I don't see it as a perennial battle between "models and fake" and "fat and ugly." Everyone (except Jamie and maybe Jordan) from BB1 was pretty normal--someone you might meet in everyday life. There was no "fat and ugly" there, and there wasn't much "models and fake." It was mostly "person-next-door," which meant the show was about sociology. But now, there is certainly a disproportionate amount of "models and fake." Now it's about tittilation. So this show has never bounced between extremes--if anything, it started in the middle and is now stuck in the "models" extreme. I think the whole issue boils down to: What are YOU entertained by? Do you find the psychology of the game the most interesting factor, or are you a sexual voyeur? Arnie is clearly playing for the voyeurism (which is what all lazy TV producers tend to do). It just so happens that most of the other BBs throughout the world were more intelligent, and got their primary rise out of social experimentation. Americans dumb down everything we touch. It's embarrassing. |
Ladytex | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:07 am     This has been a great thread. I am one of those that prefer the 'social experiment'type of show. I've so much more enjoyed the deep conversations between Roddy and some of the other hg's. The sexual stuff has me trying to find another feed. |
Cliotheleo | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:11 am     Yeah, I think I said this before, but there's no way too many of them were fans of the show, they didn't seem to know there way around the house when they ran in, couldn't find the bedrooms. Ran PAST what we ALL knew was a bedroom for the past two seasons. |
Zachsmom | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:17 am     We also know that Hardy wasn't into Shannon. He didn't put Will & Shannon up for eviction because he had a thing for Shannon.. I saw Chiara tell Roddy this last night on the feeds. Made me laugh. |
Abigail1970 | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:17 am     Just to throw in my two cents.. I think that no matter who they put in there, someone will find something 'wrong' with them. It's the whole, 'you can't win situation.' I don't personally watch the live feeds but I do read about them, I think just about everyone is pretty cool. Most of them have different personalities. And even watching them all day and night on the live feeds won't give us a 'true' account of all they believe in or what their personal histories have been. Sometimes people are just so judgemental (I know, I know, they put themselves out there to be judged) but why can't we just enjoy the entertainment value of the game? It's just fun to throw different people in together and watch it unravel. I read these boards last year and never commented, I couldn't believe how bad Krystal and Nicole were crucified on here. We all make choices in our lives and people saying Krystal was a bad Mom was ridiculous. How on earth can someone make that statement just by observing 12 weeks of the BB house? Anyways, sorry to rant but I just enjoy the show and feel bad sometimes when people are judged so harshly. I know I certainly wouldn't want to be judged that way. |
Cliotheleo | Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:18 am     Yeah, I saw that too. I was thinking, "huh"? Because I REALLY didn't remember that at all. Was waiting for one of you guys to debunk it. Thanks! ;-) |
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