Archive through July 22, 2002
MoveCloseDeleteAdmin

The ClubHouse: General Discussion Archives: Archive Three: Chiara & Roddy Connection Falling Apart? (ARCHIVE): Archive through July 23, 2002: Archive through July 22, 2002

Battlestar

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara is NOT naive.

Oregonfire

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, well, she'll learn her lesson, now won't she?


Battlestar, what word would you prefer?

Minnyace01

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 09:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregonfire - you've got mail!

Battlestar

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregon---do you know Chiara on the outside??

But it seems to me that she has gone down this road before...so it is a lesson that she just refuses to learn. Next you'll want to cast her in a remake of "The Apartment" and she can play the Shirley McLaine role. Girl with a heart of gold falls for wrong man, but Jack Lemmon will come along and save her.

Marksman

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She may not be naive, but I bet 1 dollar she is used to being used buy guys. Even her hoity toity boyfriend used here. She is a perenial side-dish and never the main course.

Her over-aggressiveness has a lot to do with this.

Roddy has done nothing wrong at this point, but Chiara is surely following a familar path to pyschoville in her head.

I imagine this a pattern she has repeated many, many times.

Realitytvaddict

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Any woman that steals another woman's boyfriend is far from naive. Foolish and rather desperate yes but never naive. She thinks she has the whole package in Roddy. The problem is that she can't see past his looks and personality to the real core of him. If she opens her eyes to that, then she is going to be in for a huge disappointment.

See, it's the flattery she gets from him that pulls her deeper and deeper into this mess. If she would just step back for a second, she would realize that nastiness and lies outweigh his gentlemanly nature.

Babyruth

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, semantics case here. Sounds like a great description of naive to me:

"She thinks she has the whole package in Roddy. The problem is that she can't see past his looks and personality to the real core of him. If she opens her eyes to that, then she is going to be in for a huge disappointment.

See, it's the flattery she gets from him that pulls her deeper and deeper into this mess. If she would just step back for a second, she would realize that nastiness and lies outweigh his gentlemanly nature."

Realitytvaddict

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 10:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nope I think there is a difference between being naive and being foolish. Naive would mean she's never been in a situation like this before. She doesn't know what she is getting herself into really. Yet, she has already she has been there and done that or at least that's what she repeatedly says. So, she is just being foolish really. She is not learning from her past mistakes. She isn't heeding that lovely phrase once bitten twice shy. Maybe Lisa will talk some sense into her today? I hope so.

Minnietlm63

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 10:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LMAOPIMP! And Lisa is the voice of reason?????

Babyruth

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 10:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You're right of course. As the saying goes, FOOLS fall in love (not "naive people").
Good thing none of us are fools, and we always learn the first time.

Realitytvaddict

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Minnie: No way! However, maybe she realized last night Roddy was jaded. Both of them are very idiotic. I don't know about them, but the second I heard conflicting stories I would have let Roddy go. This is about the game.

Hey, I'm not saying I'm a Chi fan. I clearly am not, but I was willing to give her a chance. She blew it with her over-inflated ego and outright nasty behavior. I hated Will at first last year, but the way he played the game impressed me. Mar is the only one impressing me at this point. He is playing the game they way it should be played. He watches and learns and only talks when he feels it's appropriate.

Zeyna

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So what, Chiara is a little jealous - it's not an unnatural feeling. She's certainly not crazy, posessive or naive for feeling this way. Roddy made her feel a certain way (whether than was his intent or not) and she's dissapointed with the outcome.
Amy is similarily jealous of Chiara. She's not just innocently flirting with Roddy - she's trying to amuse herself and annoy Chiara on purpose.

Twiggyish

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yup, Amy knows what she's doing. Behind that "sweet" southern belle, is a steel magnolia.

Abigail1970

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Chiara is acting like a love-sick fool.. Talking behind Amy's back, those girls haven't been nice to Amy since they got in there. I personally don't really see Roddy doing anything wrong. He's just flirting and having fun. If these girls are mis-reading this then that's on them. None of them are inexperienced (well, except Jason).

Maris

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lisa is contributing to Chiara's paranoia about Amy. If you watch the interactions it is Lisa that is making suggestions to Chiara.

A classic yesterday was when Lisa had Chiara convinced that Eric was in the HOH room with Amy. She got Chiara all worked up about Amy now going after her friends man and they ran around the house checking all the rooms, except HOH. Then they went out side grabbed Dani and Tonya for a meeting in the bathroom. They were ready to get a Charlies Angels Posse going to take care of the little Vamp until Tonya told them that Eric was in the Diary room with Marcellas.

Earlier Lisa tried to get Chiara to confront Amy a la "Dani vs Lori" in the Living room. She told Chiara just confront her and Lisa even tried to push the meeting by going to the HOH room to get Amy out. If there is one thing that the group doesnt like it is a public meltdown. Usually the person that melts down publicly is on the block the next week.

Later the same day you have Lisa in the hammock with Roddy, feeding him little tidbits about Chiara that its becoming uncomfortable because nobody is free to talk to him. Translation: you are getting screwed here buddy in the game. It seems to me that Lisa is trying to set Chiara up for an eviction, either to blow up with Amy in front of everyone or either to have Roddy and Eric see that she is hurting their chances.

I think Lisa is playing the game 100% and Chiara doesnt see it.

Twiggyish

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Right, Roddy's probably enjoying the attention.
He isn't going to be loyal to any of them, because he's already stated he'll evict them later.

Ryn

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They are very snuggly this am (In bed together)

Realitytvaddict

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris: I was saying that too earlier. She instigated the jealousy that Chi was feeling. She was telling how she saw Amy doing this and that. Then we had Tonya saying oh yea I saw that too and blah blah blah. Wouldn't it be an interesting twist if the quiet Lisa pushed out her best friend Chiapet? Chi was actually doing pretty well after talking to Amy in the HOH yesterday, and there was Lisa saying well what about this. Next thing you know Chia is letting Lisa convince her to confront Amy AGAIN. I felt that was rather comedic. Here was Chia finally at ease for a bit, and Lisa's there to destroy her security to the point that Chia is acting like a lovesick teenager.

Like I said earlier, I want to see IF Lisa will tell Chia about the conversation between her and Roddy before I make any assumptions on her ability to play the game.

Minnyace01

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Reality - what in the conversation between R & L will C have a problem with. He told L that "he liked her. She's f##kin awesome." Now where did he go wrong?

Maris

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Minny, he told Lisa he thought Amy was hot. He also told Lisa that sharing the bed with her was no big thing. They also had a discussion about the fact that Chia thinks that they are boyfriend and girlfriend and they are not. Lisa suggested to him that she wished she could be friendlier but she was afraid of how Chia would perceive it. It wasnt an innocent conversation at all.

Realitytvaddict

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Obviously, you're seeing a different Roddy than me, and the relationship you see between R and C is different as well. I guess we'll just have to wait for the outcome. Roddy is playing C like a violin, and now he's talking about wanting to get to know Lisa. I didn't see it, but from what I was told he was pretty friendly with her. Yet, he has a right to be that way in my opinion. Basically, from observing Chi's overly possessive behavior, she would NOT like what he was doing. That's all I'm saying. :)

Minnyace01

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 12:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris and Realitytvaddict - First off, I did not see it last night, so all I have to go on is what 2 different people posted in the LFP. In reading them now for the 3rd time, I still don't see where R said anything about not caring for C and wanting to move on either L or A. He would like to get to know A better because she is nice (this sounds like gamesmanship on his part) and he would like to get to know L better but it would probably create more gossip. Now where did he say something that gets him in trouble?

Maris

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 12:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No he never said he didnt care for C. However, what he told C regarding his conversation with Amy was that he wasnt attracted to her and he felt sorry for her that is why he was talking to her. He let C believe that any interest between him and Amy was all on Amy's part not his.

He certainly knows, as does everyone in the house, that Chiapet, rightly or wrongly believes that they have a relationship. It is up to Roddy to clear that up with Chia and tell her that they are not boyfriend and girlfriend. Instead of Roddy agreeing with Lisa that Chiapet is going over the top and is not his grilfriend, he could talk to Chia. Roddy certainly should be able to talk to whomever he wants and Chia is overreacting but Roddy has an obligation to let Chia know that they are both on different wavelengths as far as where their relationship is.

Regarding his conversation with Lisa about Chiapet, he was talking about Chia behind her back and agreeing with Lisa that Chia was blowing things up. He was laughing with Lisa about Chia's behavior and that isnt very nice. At least in my book it isnt very nice. Roddy is no different than any of the other players, he is pretty slimey too.

Sisalou

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Twiggish! Amy could also be an "iron gardenia"!

Oregonfire

Monday, July 22, 2002 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I meant naivete on Chiara's part in the context of the game. I just don't think it occurred to her that he'd play her to get her out of the house. After all--what else would be the reason to go there so early on the game? He certainly could've flirted with her while keeping separate beds and not talking to her about meeting his parents. Those actions and comments were not absolutely needed in the context of his game play.

Hey--I think it's *Roddy* who's been the most naive fool of all--did he really think could play two women and not have them want to rip each other's eyes out?

If he did that on purpose for them to eliminate each other, then it was a devious, brilliant, but cruel move. but I haven't seen anything else from him yet that warrants brilliant game playing--just good looks and some book smarts. I think he stumbled into the situation by thinking with another body part that is not his head, and is now using the resulting mess to his advantage. One too many pucks to the head, Roddy?