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Deni_San | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:42 pm  Granted these people have been together for 3 months 24/7, and they may have formed bonds, but they aren't family. They are contestants in a game, who know only what each houseguest chooses to reveal. They can't take "timeouts". Eddie is not Britt's brother, and he certainly not a brother of Jamie. Eddie says that he doesn't care about these people, and they do not know each other. I take him for his word. On the outside there are parents who don't permit siblings to hit each other. Yes, siblings do fight and rough house, but one would hope that they would grow out of it by 21. I am not going to call for Eddie's banishment, or his head. I am not a hater, I am just bummed out. Thanks Katie for being courageous to share your story. Sadly, you are not alone in your experiences. Apologies to all since this board should be a source of entertainment. |
Zappre | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:45 pm  Deni San: Don't you dare apologize for your immeasurable contribution to an important topic. |
Franny1 | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:45 pm  and how many of her neighbors knew it? That is my point. Not that she wasn't abused, but did he do it for everyone to see. You need to read what's written before you make comments |
Zappre | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:47 pm  So Franny1, your position is that Katie was abused but doesn't know what she's talking about when she speaks on the subject. Interesting thesis. Sorry, Katie, if i'm speaking out of turn. |
Katie | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:49 pm  Franny 'because they do it in private, away from the public eye' True and untrue. My husband did things in public to hurt me that no else would notice because it was quick or hidden. At dinner parties,he would pinch my leg under the table if I said something he didn't like. If we were standing and talking with people and I said something wrong, he would grab my arm in a way that looked very loving but would squeeze it so hard he left a bruise. I could go on but this should be enough. |
Trish | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:52 pm  Man oh man. I am so incensed with some of the B.S. messages I've seen on this subject. Now Eddie is a potential wife beater? What in the hell is wrong with you people? To take what was shown on TV tonight and escalate it and turn it into abuse is completely absurd. |
Franny1 | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:54 pm  Either you don't read well or you don't process information well, i'm really not sure, but you have a problem. No one was talking about Katie. I'm sure she was abused and it is horrible. What I said was that abusers do not openly in public or on national tv, beat us their victims. They do it in private and only when it gets bad enough for the victim to report or someone to catch the perpetrator is is stopped. You are on some crazy band wagon out of control and you need to get a grip on yourself. I'm sorry Katie if you felt that I was lessening your plight, becasue that was not my intention. But there are situations where teasing and rough play occur which are not deemed as abuse, and I think this is the case with Eddie and Jamie. |
Franny1 | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:59 pm  Katie, good luck to you and I hope you are free from that evil man. I hope you understand that I think this whole Eddie/Jamie situation has been blown way out of proportion. |
Jujubean | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:59 pm  Oh Wow...... Can't believe the silliness of all of this. Okay, I'm a facts person- so here are the FACTS... FACT 1. Yes Brittany did have bruises. Mostly from the water basketball incident. Deni San & Wendy - Brittany was also constantly jumping on Eddie's back, teasing him, putting mud on him- remember that?, bugging him when he was sleeping, etc. It was clearly a brother/sister type relationship in fun. After they did the hate/like challenge Eddie and Josh apologized and said that they hated that she bruised easily. The rough housing kind of stopped after that, until they got the mud challenge. Anyway, Brit says she likes Eddie, wants him to win even. She seems really crushed by the whole ordeal.... FACT 2. I was watching the feeds when Eddie said that, and quite frankly I was laughing. She said hmmmm....and continued to eat. It was edited to look like she was extremely perturbed by it. If it was me sitting in that chair and I was Jamie I would have poured my drink on his head and laughed. In fact, I'm laughing right now thinking about Eddie sitting there with a drink on his head. I would have at least come back with a cheeky response. How un-PC of me. So, is Mega a women abuser as well for pouring that water on Jordan's head? Maybe she could have gotten some in her eye or drowned? Katie, I'm very sorry to hear that you were once in an abusive relationship. You are taking this way too far though by accusing someone you don't know personally and equating his silly behaviour with abuse. "He is angry with the whole world"? So you are able to get INSIDE of Eddie's head and KNOW what he feels? C'mon! FACT 3. He talked once about how he wrestles with his girlfriend and how she knocks him down. It's all in play. Wendy says- "Apparently, a lot of you Eddie supporters are from somewhat dysfunctional family environments. Such behavior is not play." Wendy, you seem to be bashing not only Eddie, but SEVERAL people on this board. That IS unacceptable. Glad to know that you KNOW so much about our families! Don't you just love the FACTS? Please, Eddie bashers, come up with some FACTS and better arguments. It's really weak. I thought this was the Big Brother FAN CLUB anyway. |
Katie | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:59 pm  Go for it Zappre. I have no objections. Deni San Thank you and please don't apologize. No, Trish I see a pattern. It is not just one incident. It is a whole string of them. I could excuse one or even two, but I am seeing many of them. |
Zappre | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:00 am  That's right Katie...according to Franny, it's terrible what happened to you, but you don't know what you're talking about. I repeat...if I have to choose between Franny's opinion (oblivious) and Katie's (lived it), i'll give the nod to Katie. |
Franny1 | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:03 am  you are very scary Zappre...Are you trying to impress someone? You obviously didn't listen to Katie either.....she said he did things so no one could see it.....which was exactly my point..but it's usless trying to explain anything to you. |
Franny1 | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:07 am  thank you jujubean this was my intial point before I was attacked. |
Zappre | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:09 am  No Franny, your point has been that Eddie could not be a potential abuser since he's being abusive publicly, and Katie will correct me if i'm wrong, but she's saying that to the contrary, Eddie's conduct is absolutely a red flag for potential abuser status. Sorry Franny, you just can't argue both sides of the same issue and not get called on it. Goodnite. |
Katie | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:11 am  Jujubean, I am not saying that he is an abuser. I am saying that he could become one. Not that he is right now. He seems rather borderline right now. He is angry. He has a right be angry because of what happened to him. Just watch him and listen and you will hear the anger. It was in the banging of the pots and pans to Cassandra. It was in the way he was treating Jamie. As I said before, if it was only playing around why doesn't he do it with Josh or Curtis and only the females? I think that if he doesn't do something about it, it could potentionally get way out of line. I don't think men ever start out to hurt women. I think they start out just doing normal things that get out of control and that is what I see could happen here. |
Franny1 | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:21 am  Anyone can become a potential abuser, but you can't always jump to conclusions. I have rough-housed with guys all my life. My husband and I wrestle, and my boys do to, it's how we play. I can safely say I have never been abused and to make an assumption based on your someones unfortunate experience is not right. |
Cookie | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:21 am  Good try, Zappre, Deni and Katie. I for one very much appreciate your posts. Eddie means it all in fun and that's what boys do and however you were raised is fine and girls shouldn't be so sensitive--this means his behavior is okay? Then I guess the guys who whistle and yell "nice tits" and "come on over here for some good lovin honey" are just showing their love and appreciation for me. And all those people who called me gook and spit on me--their parents and brothers and neighbors did it, heck their minister did it--it's normal here. Nothing wrong with people showing a little patriotism. I shouldn't take it so personally. How silly of me not to realize! I've heard all these same defenses before. And as a survivor, I'm another woman who is disturbed. This is not about being PC. It's about knowing what it's like to feel uncomfortable and yet being told by everyone that I'm just over-reacting. Before I get flamed--I am not saying that Eddie is violent. He was one of my favorites. I know the examples I gave are more hateful than Eddie's many comments--but not any less inappropriate. I just would like people to think a little beyond their own comfort zones, to think about how we decide, as individuals and as a society, what is acceptable or unacceptable. |
Katie | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:23 am  I would like to say that I did leave him. After I fell down the stairs I finally learned that what was happening wasn't my fault as he said it was. It wasn't just playing around or "I needed to lighten up and relax" as he said. Strangely enough then people came up and told me that they had been wondering if I ever would and how long it would take. They had seen things and noticed thing but they were questionable and they knew that I had to make this choice myself. |
Franny1 | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:28 am  I'm glad you finally did. I hope you can trust again and that you find someone who values you. Don't let one person's sickness jade your views about all....good luck |
Cookie | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:28 am  Katie, I'm very glad you were able to leave him. Congratulations on your new life. |
Ccc | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:30 am  I'm not an Eddie hater. I see that he has a good heart. And I didn't think for a minute that he might actually hurt her. But his actions were totally inappropriate, just as with his pot banging at Cassandra (who btw also walked away shaking her head in disgust). This didn't remind me of playful roughhousing between friends. I've been there and everybody is laughing or squeeling or playfully protesting. This was not a guy throwing a girl in the pool. He must have figured out by now that she isn't used to dealing with that kind of behavior like Britt or Monica might be, so you just don't do it. And I suspect he knows it. I think he was trying to make her look bad - like she couldn't take it. And I think it backfired on him - he looked bad instead. I swing back and forth with Eddie, because I've tried to understand differing backgrounds, etc. But every time I see something I like about him, he turns around and disappoints me. It's too close to the end of the game. And this may have been the straw for me. I wanted him to be in the top three, but his actions tonight put him in fourth place. Right after Geo left, I told my dh that Eddie was in trouble if he couldn't get the others to nominate Jamie. Now I hope they don't. |
Katie | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:31 am  Franny this is the way your family lives and you are comfortable with it and that is fine but the difference is that not every one is. Not everyone lives like this or is comfortable with this and I think we should accept that and not force it. I have a philosophy for life. It is that my rights end where the next person's begins. It is an important one. |
Jujubean | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:36 am  Again Katie, you are getting inside of someone's head which by my estimation is a REMARKABLE feat. Again, I am sorry to hear about your past problems. I am also sorry that some women stay in abusive relationships. NOT SAYING THAT YOU DID. You obviously got out and that is very commendable. If there is anything that rough housing with my brothers did is teach me how to stand up verbally and physically to men. I would bop someone so hard if they ever abused me in any way or kick 'em to the curb. Love them no matter what? Nope, not me. But, there is a big difference between abuse and horsing around- let's make that CLEAR. You say he is angry because of what happened to him....How do you know? There you are in his head again. Because he horses around? I see all of his foolishness as being bored and 21. He also burps out loud and farts on occassion. It's just juvenile behavior. You see it as potential wife abuser status. He also harasses Josh, they threaten each other back and forth from time to time. Quite honestly, I think that Eddie would have a hard time being an abuser. He's kind of at a disadvantage. Sorry Eddie, but ya only got one leg,- what are ya gonna do? LOL!. Now that's really awful of me. ;o) *Sorry Eddie* If you are REALLY that concerned, write an email to Denise, Eddie's mom. Otherwise, stop making mountains out of mole hills. Good nite and peace. |
Wendy | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:44 am  YO! Jujubean! You really need to get some sleep or ease off the drugs or something... In your above post you refered to "Wendy" (as in me) as saying some really negative things in this thread. I only posted once near the beginning and did not write the things you mention I did. I nearly freaked because I thought someone had gotten a hold of my password and posted here. But when I went back, I only saw the one message I posted. Are you referring to "Whatever"? Could you PLEASE be careful when you are quoting some serious statements that, not only did I not write, I do not agree with. |
Cookie | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:44 am  Mega was condemned because he pushed people's buttons and loved to make people uncomfortable. He was blamed for imposing his life view on others, of not respecting where other people were coming from. But the same thing from Eddie is okay? |
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