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Sfnative | Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 03:08 pm  It is really ridiculous that these ten people continue to inhabit my thoughts, but it is funny that some of my feelings about houseguests have been reinforced and others have been altered. William is still a major control freak, agressive and way too angry for my taste, but he did make points with me when he said he respected Eddie. Unfortunately, he would have made a lot more points with me if he had said that he respected Brittany who was the only other person who took him on, but perhaps he has a certain preconceived idea about women and how they are supposed to conduct themselves in the prescence of men. Jordan has not impressed me much, if anything I have found her more abrasive. She has not only seemed bitter, but seems to cast herself as some superior being who should never have been involved with the morons in the house in the first place. Karen is a person that I am really rooting for. I feel she entered the house with the express purpose of blowing her marriage to kingdom come and no matter how "Jerry Springerish" this may have been the only way she found the courage to do it. Brittany was a person that I did not expect to like when she walked in the door. I learned to love her and I still do. Cassandra is a person that kept as much to herself as Jaime. I am mystified by refusal to look at tapes of what actually occurred. I respect her dignity and class, but can not understand how such a guarded person entered this house in the first place. George. He's a lunatic, uninformed, unwittingly insulting...but I don't for a moment believe that he could mastermind a robbery from the bank at a drunken "Monopoly" game, far less a voting plan to keep him in the house. I kind of like George, because everything astounds him and when he gets a plan he can sway people to his way of thinking...even if it is moronic. Jamie. Where to begin? If anything, I dislike her more. Needless to say, I didn't watch the Miss America pageant this weekend. I imagine that the reason that she is not on any radio shows is because no one can get a "straight" or "unscripted" answer out of her. Curtis will do very well in his profession and probably think back on the Big Brother House as a place that he cut loose, but now it's back to business. Too bad, the way he loosened up in the house made him more human and endearing. Josh, I hope only good things happen to him, but he doesn't seem to have much direction. He is a basically nice and kind person...but I worry about him swimming with the sharks. Eddie...my hero...just continues to be Eddie in nearly every transcript or feed that I have read or listened to. Authenticity is rarely, if ever, found now a days. OK, lock me up quick, because I have to stop thinking about these people. |
Stillme | Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 06:47 pm  Brittany never "took" William on. She just started crying when things didn't go her way. Everybody is just fading away like I expected. You have to look for them to find them. I just hope they don't bank too much in any "popularity" that doesn't exist. A cult following does not make someone a valuable commodity. Of the ten, I think William, Cassandra, Jordan, and Eddie will be in the best shape by now. Eddie has money and the others never thought this show would be that big of a deal anyway. Jordan has found her niche and has promise with her book. Cassandra has her job and her time on Big Brother can only help since she didn't ruin her image. William has low risk goals in books and speaking engagements. Karen, Jamie, and Brittany are going to be in bad shape. All have unrealistic expectations and goals that they don't have the talent or appeal to attain. I feel sorry for them. I almost feel sorry for George, but he'll find his niche and embarass his daughters many times over. Josh is very vunerable. He could do well as a model. I totally forgot about Curtis. I think he'll fade into obscurity well. |
Mas | Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 06:48 pm  Ok, I'll bite. I'm bored and have an hour to kill. Mega - no opinion. Missed the first two weeks. Made me uncomfortable in one early scene I watched about the blown dead or alive challenge. <Started to watch BB because of Curtis.> Jordan - Not seeing the early Jordan storyline, I thought she could have grown personally if she stayed another round or more. Her conversations with Curtis and the pre-BBQ talk with Karen, made me think she was still searching. She seems like she wants instantaneous results in her quest for the meaning of life, thus her readings of all sorts of religions and philosophies and activities. Karen - Liked her hanging out with the 20 somethings. Disliked her involvement with the family alliance. Jamie and Curtis would have been long gone, if the alliance remained to the end. She was the original backstabber. Glad, she left when she did. Brittany - She was very refreshing and open. Her personality was fun, but she kind of hogged the screen time. She helped Curtis open up. I think her RR talk with Josh influenced the game. Her change of heart about Jamie spawned the first eyada anti-Jamie banner. Cassandra might have had a chance to beat Eddie in the New Yorker round. Except for the talk to Josh and her about face on Jamie, I still like her though. Cassandra - I wanted Cassandra or Curtis to make the final three to show that people with integrity could be rewarded. I wish she would watch the tapes, I think she's missing out on half the story (Eddie's lie that he wouldn't nominate Cass until the end) and alot of the fun things that went on. George - Thought he was a shoe-in to win. I hated George when CBS showed Teresa voting out Brit. For a while, I actually thought George might have been a mastermind, until he started cracking. (Thanks CBS for your story slant) Jamie - I first thought she was like a high school third wheel, always hanging out with the group but not an active participant. Somewhat, awkward when in group discussions - like her recalling Oprah's difficult early years in front of a disbelieving and upset Cassandra. I began to appreciate her, when she would talk one on one with Curtis about the house and the family alliance. I liked their unspoken alliance to each other to the end. I think Jamie and Josh had the best possibility for pairing up with their similar background. I know Jamie liked Eddie because of his bad boy image and soft heart and for a while he was interested in her, too. Jamie backed off of Josh (no more secret card codes) when it was apparent that Josh and Brittany were an item. Jamie never got close to Josh preserving the possibility of Josh and Brit hooking up later. (Brit should be more mad at Josh, then Jamie after watching the tapes). I was hoping though for Curtis and Jamie to pair up, because each had qualities the other valued. I liked the fact that she would hold hands, hug, and even get a kiss on the cheek from Curtis when he thought he would be banished. I hated the spin CBS and BB put on the Romer letter, the casting director (why get her mom involved with a reward), and the co-hosting job (just to banish her friend). The more negative postings she received, the more I wanted to support her. Even the confrontation with Curtis, I understood the history of events and sided with her over Curtis. I don't understand anything about pageants and her motivation to participate in such, but from her kind heart, her willingness to vote out her ally, Karen for the good of the house, and her friendship with Curtis I liked her more and more. <I guess the many anti-Jamie posts made me feel like they were also against Curtis> Curtis - My favorite. Overall, a great guy, but I always kept a critical eye open looking for minor flaws. I wanted to see him interact with the three young women in the house and their response to an Asian guy. His best qualities were his openness to everyone and his humor. He was perceptive, until the odd banner messages began. He would have had alot more lovebed time, if he could have controlled his snoring. The "Christian" angle bothered me alittle, especially when he would talk about women - making a half-hearted pass at Jordan and talk about his ex-girlfriend and such talk. Jordan was right about he was like concrete about his emotions. Even Karen said he wasn't deep. Saw a serious layer and a humorous layer, but wish I saw more different emotional levels. His friendship with Brittany did help. I don't think he fully verbalized his relationship with Jamie. (If there was something more special between Jamie and Curtis, I was hoping he would leave the house with Jamie when she was banished.) Josh - Nice guy, but didn't add too much beyond the love triangle. Seemed happy to be on vacation with a house full of people. Except for his friendship with Brittany and his desire to pay for his nieces' college, I don't think he really cared if he stayed or went. He should have listened to his step-dad's advise to "hang with Curtis and Jamie". He could have won first place. Eddie - First thought he was cold hearted. Later, saw a softer side when comforting Brittany. Started to dislike him again, when he went back on his word to Cassandra, banging the pots, and the clothesline incident with Jamie (I would have let that one go except for his interview after that he had a chemical imbalance at the time, instead of saying he was just joking). (I guess I really hated the SaveEddie site for targeting Jamie. She had no chance to place higher than 3rd. And I'm sure they would have gone after Curtis, if Jamie was gone.) When he made the final three, I let the voting public choose their favorite. Somedays I liked his perceptions in the house, and somedays I hated his foul mouth and disrespect toward others. After hearing, reading, or by second hand info reports that he was slamming Jamie in interviews, I hated Eddie. The guy just won half a million dollars. Why couldn't he be a gracious winner? (Since Eddie's last interview, I'm GUESSING he talked poorly about Jamie to get back in Monica's good graces. It seems Monica is going to NY soon.) |
Rockey22 | Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 08:29 pm  Britt moves back to MN to be with her parents for comfort and to be in a more friendly environment. Karen remains in LA gets a job in non showbiz field. Jamie gets a job in non showbiz field, reapplys for grad. school for next year. That's how i see things happening. |
Winnie | Monday, October 16, 2000 - 01:41 am  Okay, I'll bite. Mega - I knew I wouldn't like him early on. By the time he left the house, I really disliked him, and he was my least favorite HG for a long time. But in recent interviews, I've seen a more amiable, likable Will. He said recently that he doesn't want to forever be labeled the "bad guy", and I think he proved that he isn't...at least to me. I still don't like him, but I can tolerate him. He doesn't seem to hold any grudges, which I admire. I think he secretly does have some sort of respect for Brittany, even though he may not admit it. Anyone remember what he said early on in the show? He said he didn't like her, and that she irritated him, but that he did have to respect her "spunk". I think that still stands. She got emotional when she argued with him, but she was still one of the few people willing to actually stand up to him. He liked that. Jordan - Ugh. I didn't like Jordan while she was in the house, and she just grated on my nerves the longer she was there. I voted for her (with a considerable amount of glee, I must say...lol) for the second banishment, and was happy to see her go. Lately she's become my least favorite houseguest, just because she seems to have taken everything so *personally*. People are upset with Brittany for saying negative things about certain people, but Jordan is bashing just about everyone! She doesn't seem willing to accept any sort of responsibility for her actions in the house, either. She chose to discuss being a stripper on a semi-regular basis. CBS played up to that, yes, but she did choose to obsess over it. And now she's angry that she was mainly depicted as "the stripper". What did she expect?? I think Jordan is self-centered, arrogant, and just plain bitter in general. I dislike her more now that I did when she was in the house. Karen - I liked Karen for the first week or two that she was in the house, even when other viewers started to hate her. Eventually she just got too out of control, and I had to admit that she was an emotional wreck. I really started to dislike her when she turned on other people in the house (especially Curtis, although it was kind of amusing at the same time). Didn't vote for her, but I was happy to see her go. But oddly enough, my dislike for her vanished the moment she left the house. I was happy to see her reunite with her kids, and I think she's done well in interviews and stuff. I think the house just really did bring out the worst aspects of her. I'm even starting to like her again... Brittany - I didn't quite know what to think of Brittany at first, what with the hair and piercings and stuff. But I really started to like her after a few weeks. She was upfront about her emotions while she was in the house, which was something that a lot of viewers didn't like. But I thought it was refreshing, especially since a lot of the remaining houseguests didn't do that. And unlike the other banished HGs, I never doubted that she had a "good heart" (lol - sorry to use the dreaded expression). I still think that. I disagree with some of her actions and decisions, but she's just being Brittany - she's saying what she thinks. I respect that, and I still think she'd be a total blast to hang out with. Cassandra - Hmmm...I never really developed much of an opinion about Cassandra. I think she's an intelligent, dignified lady, but I have no CLUE why she wanted to be on the show. She never seemed to have much fun while she was there - it seemed like she saw challenges as hassles, and she never really developed deep bonds with the other HGs. I think it's impressive that she kept her composure the whole time she was there, but that's definitely not good TV, and I didn't want to see that. She's behaved exactly the way I expected her to after leaving the house, so I still feel the same way. I don't understand why she won't watch the tapes - she MUST hear a lot about what happened in the house (Eddie voting for her, for example) from fans and family members, even if she doesn't want to. So I would think that she'd want to watch them to try to understand what people are telling her. Like WHY Eddie would vote for her. What his explanations were. And at the very least, I'd think the tapes would be like home videos...if I was on the show, I would've loved to have remembrances like that! George - I loved him at first. Seemed like the typical nice, average guy. A good dad, and a good husband. But George started to get on my nerves as the show progressed. He was just way too over the top. Plus he didn't know when things stopped being a joke - when something bordered on being racist or sexist, for example. I know he's maybe not the brightest guy in the world, but this is an issue of common sense. I don't like George at all, and I dislike his wife even more. George is behaving pretty much the same since leaving the house...he's still too over the top. I don't think he's funny, just annoying. He needs to set limits for himself. Anyway, my opinion of him changed while he was in the house, but not since he's left. Jamie - I was pretty neutral about her for a long time. I think I first started to wonder about her when she kept sitting in on coversations between other houseguests - like when Brittany and Jordan confronted Josh. I think she was little sneaky when she was in the house...she wanted to exert her influence in the house, but didn't want anyone (the HGs or the TV audience) to know about it. Thus the card "code" with Josh, the conversation with Curtis w/out a microphone on, etc. She wasn't completely honest, and she didn't really show any real emotion while she was in the house. Maybe that's the way she is in real life...I don't know. I just didn't think she was interesting to watch, and I don't like insincerity in general. I didn't have strong negative feelings towards her, but I certainly didn't like her...glad when she left. I'm also happy that she's not in the media much, either. I don't think she'd be particularly interesting since she seems incapable of being "real". So my opinion of her has yet to change since she left the house, and i doubt it ever will. Curtis - Barely knew he was there the first couple of weeks he was in the house, but he won me over with the way he handled being nominated. I've been a fan ever since. He was great in the RR - very upfront and honest about his emotions and his feelings about the other HGs. Just a nice guy in general. Since he's left the house he's still acting like the Curtis I saw *in* the house. Funny, honest, and intelligent... I wish he would be a little less diplomatic (he's a little like Cassandra in that respect), but he's not being completely guarded, so I can deal. So I guess my opinion of him also hasn't changed... Josh - Oh boy. First I thought he was okay. Then I liked him. Then I disliked him. Then I really disliked him. Then I liked him. Then I felt neutral. lol...I never really had a solid opinion on Josh. I think he has potential (he's a nice guy, and generally well-intentioned), but he has a lot of growing up to do. And what was with his crying jags??? I guess it was good to see him express emotion like that, but it only came out when he was drunk and he didn't seem to make much sense. I don't think Josh really quite understands himself half the time. Anyway, I guess I was happy to see him win second, just because I think his dedication to his niece is really adorable. Overall I like Curtis better, but I think Curtis will be financially successful anyway. Josh's attitude and behavior since leaving the house has been typical of him - I'm sure the sudden fame will make him even more confused about his self-identity than he already was, but I think someday he'll figure it all out. He's a nice enough guy, and I hope he grows up to be someone like Curtis one day. Too much to expect? Maybe. ;) Eddie - Simply put, Eddie has been forthright and upfront since the beginning. He did a few things I didn't like in the house (the racial jokes, promising not to nominate Cassandra and then doing it, etc), but I think overall he's been the most honest and direct of all the HGs. I kind of like the tough guy exterior/soft interior mixture, too. His interviews haven't surprised me...I don't quite know why people are taking offense at him saying the clothslining comment was due to an "imbalance" in his brain. He couldn't really explain it - I don't think he really would ever have hurt Jamie (or even seriously considered it), so what does it matter what his explantion was? It wasn't supposed to scare her, or hurt her, and I don't think it did. I also think it's great that Eddie apologized to people he may have offended...he won his money, and he didn't have to do that. So I respect him for deciding to do it anyway. Doesn't surprise me though - Eddie is Eddie. He's not afraid to show the world who he is, and I really appreciated seeing someone like that on the show, and seeing that he's the exact same OFF the show as well. So to sum up (wow, this is probably my longest post ever!), my opinions have changed with regards to Mega (improved since leaving the house), Jordan (gone downhill, if that's even possible), and Karen (much improved). I still feel pretty much the same about the other HGs, although in some cases my opinion changed while they were still IN the house. |
John | Monday, October 16, 2000 - 05:02 am  I see Jordan in a different light now. While on the show she was a bitchy need-to-get-my-way type. Now I see her as someone who was kind of confused and needed direction in her life. I also think the show helped Karen to gain perspective and get the nerve to leave her hubby. I don't think she should be trying acting though, unless is is a comedy with Brit. George and Eddie have both said in interviews that they've seen a different side to Mega outside the house, so maybe there is hope for him too. |
Boogie | Monday, October 16, 2000 - 06:20 am  Jordan is still in Minneapolis, so the other day I heard her on 104.1 the Point's morning show. Apparently, Gavin McLoud (sp???) aka Captain Stubbing was guesting, she heard about it, called the morning show guy up and asked if she could come in because she LOVES Gavin. She has co-hosted this same morning show in the past, but not on a regular basis. When she got there, BEFORE Gavin, the host gave her a lot of guff because she's "milking the last minute of her 15-minutes. She's in the 16th or 17th minute at this point," he said. She just laughed. But isn't that sad? She does try to see herself ABOVE the rest of the BB cast, but she takes every opportunity to capitalize on it. Gavin was impressed by her beauty, but he kept saying "Big Brother what?" She tried agreeing with him, basically admitting what a mistake it was for her, AS she's sitting on Market 18s morning show. She's the only one I have a real opinion on. Thought I'd add that to your discussion. |
Sfnative | Monday, October 16, 2000 - 06:52 am  Winnie, we agree on practically everything. I was reading an interview with the producer on the Main Big Brother site and I thought that it was interesting. Apparently, when George was organizing the "mass walkout", no one was concerned until Eddie began to waver. At that moment the producers went into action. The producer said that Eddie was the one they always counted on to do what he said he would do. |
Nsgirl | Monday, October 16, 2000 - 07:06 am  Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents worth: Mega - no opinion - didn't watch the show in it's early stages. Jordan - really liked her on the show. Too bad she was banished. Now - don't like her at all. Brittany - hated her at first. She drove me crazy. Started warming up to her 1/2 way through, Loved her by the time she was banished. Everything I have read or heard from her in interviews has reinforced it. I still Love HER. Josh - Nice guy. Still like him because he is likeable. Curtis - Loved Him Too. Still think he is great, and all post-show interviews have let his great intelligence and witt show through. Eddie - Really liked him - but was disappointed by an interview I heard. Really trying to push his "Grit", which is not all that Eddie is. He is intelligent and articulate, and he should show that more often. Cassandra - boring, boring, boring. George - a nutcase - don't want to see anything more of him. Karen - hated her, until I heard her recent interviews. Now, have a better understanding, and actually really like her. Should really get on with life, but, you know what guys, it's kinda exciting! |
Britisnaive | Monday, October 16, 2000 - 07:19 am  To be honest, I only REALLY hated Karen and George with a passion while they were in the show. However, my opinions of both of them have improved from hearing their post-banishment interviews and stuff. Maybe, Josh is right when he said, "Everyone is good as soon as they left the house." |
Riviere76 | Monday, October 16, 2000 - 02:02 pm  Haven't given much thought to the HGs after BB ended, just wish them all well but don't really care how long their personal fame or prize money lasts. My perceptions haven't changed. Just yesterday had lunch with a fellow BB watcher and we discussed the HGs, look forward to a BB2 with hopefully a shorter yet more intense span, and more carefully chosen contestants. She did not watch BB as much as I did on live feeds, having 2 jobs & no time, and missed a few of the tv shows and I loaned her my tapes of them to catch up. Very surprised she assumed George was the oldest HG, reminded her Karen was 44. Geo just took on the role of 'the old man' because he thinks he is old. His actions on BB didn't show me any real maturity I'd expect from someone close to my age. Curtis was and will be the most 'mature' person rooted in reality. My pal thinks Cassandra is a different person outside BB, and I agree, we just can't figure out why someone obsessed with image and reputation and privacy would seek a spot on a reality show like BB. Brittany, at first my pal thought she was the youngest HG, maybe 18, had no idea Brit's 25+ until she was banished. She was most annoying to watch until George replaced her. We never got a grasp on Josh, just 'the kid' with an amiable but aimless personality. Reminded my friend of her son (she's 50+) and reminded me of my kid brother, kinda felt protective of Josh and glad he was a winner, but think he'd better get a degree and buckle down. Don't have much interest in Will or Jordan or Eddie, 3 abrasive people we wouldn't want to spend 5 minutes with. And Jamie the lurker, talk about bland. If she didn't wear a ton of lipgloss would we have noticed she was a HG in the first place in the first 75 days? It was a great lunch, wish I could share the whole transcript, heheh. Neither of us was a zealous fan, just got addicted, and remain open about the HGs, tried to think back WHY we watched at all, agreed it was 'something to do after Survivor'. Also agreed that for better or worse, every HG brought their own true personality onto the show, seeing them outside just reinforces this when the old tapes are reviewed. Cassandra, guarded, very image conscious, quiet, like Jamie, wondered what they heck they got into? Dumbcluck George, he fooled my friend (and me somewhat) the first few weeks, then showed his true colors. He really is the village idiot and this is the biggest thing that ever happened to him that was positive. Go George, good luck to ya, man, you're cool, but we don't want to see you anymore, etc.. Karen took on her natural role as den mother, cook, because nobody else stepped in. Her issues and marital problems were too deep for the younger HGs to understand, but we did, and felt sorry for her. Happy she's found strength to change her life and of all the HGs Karen ended up better off for her stint, albeit not financially a winner. Karen is the only HG we'd like to lunch with & talk, that surprises me to say it, but looking back and now looking at the HGs' outside BB, only Karen and Curtis a close 2nd are the HGs I truly felt any kinship with. My friend's less admiring of Curt but concedes he was the most mature and likeable of the male HGs. Her faves were Cass & Karen and until recently she thought Karen was 30something and Cass 40, George 50, go figure, but that was a genuine impression those HGs made on her. She disagrees with my stance that BB would be better having HGs closer in age. She'd like to see ten HGs from 21 to 81, a la Survivor. Not me, it was a trial seeing the BB house split off between the 'old' and 'young' with you know who doing all the mundane tasks and then you know who gets the cash in the end. A group of age 30-60 would be more interesting, people who are mature and can talk, not whine or burst into tears or prattle on over nothing in upspeak while pawing each other and wanting to be friends4ever. My friend agrees I have a point, but still fantasizes in a BB show with HGs 21-81 the old savvy guy (like Rudy) may win. Tsk tsk, lol.. Anyway, these are the most recent thoughts & convo I've had about BB, and nothing's changed much. I like hearing most of the HGs are doing fine, back to their lives, some getting the fame they crave while it lasts. The best thing is that despite George's nonsense his daughter got a chance at college, and despite the nervous wreck Karen was she's really ok and much nicer & stronger a person than some bashers ever saw she was. But in the end, the show's over and the HGs have left the building, heheh. Looking forward to a new bunch of shows now, glad the Fan Club is still here and I hope we'll all post and chat and feedwatch together as much as we did all summer next time around. |
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