Eaglemagic | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 08:04 am  You would think that when you are Miss Washington you would have an obligation to fulfill certain duties. I wonder why they didn't take the crown away from Jamie and I wonder why Jamie didn't choose to fulfill her obligations. |
Sbw | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 09:18 am  She said several times that she thought BB was a better opportunity for her than opportunities presented to her as Miss Washington. Apparently according to the article published in the Seattle papers yesterday pageant officials have never been extremely pleased with her performance as Miss Washington. Why they did not chooose to take the crown away from her, I do not know. |
Droskie | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 09:30 am  Isn't Jaime Miss Washington USA? From what I have read the Miss USA pageants are not as respected as the Miss America pageants, so I don't see how Jaime could interchange those titles so frequently. If I were the real Miss Washington, I'd be pi$$ed. |
Spright | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 09:45 am  It *is* Miss Washington USA although Jamie routinely leaves off the "USA." |
Rufusgriswold | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 09:51 am  The whole point of the Miss Washington USA contest was to get to the Miss USA contest. Jamie did, she lost, and now she's moving on with her life. Taking away her title will have about as much effect as taking the Miss America title away from Vanessa Williams. Can anyone tell me the name of the runner-up who replaced Williams that year? |
Gomer | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 09:57 am  Can anyone tell me the current Miss USA and her duties,other than polishing Trump's crown? Is she cosigner on one of his loans?A casino hostess?What? |
Battlestar | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 10:03 am  Rufis----Vanessa Williams is a very talented woman. I don't think your analogy will hold water. And she had some tremendous bad press to overcome and it took her years to do so. But it wouldn't have happened without her hard work and talent--not the fact her crown was taken away. |
Spright | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 10:03 am  Jamie has speculated on the show about whether or not she is still Miss Washington USA. She said that she didn't have a chance to tell them she was going into the BB house. I think it's obvious that there are *some* duties involved or she wouldn't have been worried. I don't think there could have been a lot of duties because they didn't replace her while she was in the house. I don't think there's any point in taking the title away from her now unless she continues to avoid whatever obligations she undertook when she became Miss Washington USA. |
Sugarwater | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 10:06 am  1st runner up to Vanessa Williams was Suzette Charles from New Jersey. Also an African American. What is the current Miss USA doing??? No idea? Back to the original topic. I don't think Jamie should be stripped of her crown. I'd give my reasons but I don't think you would be interested. |
Petunia | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 10:56 am  >I'd give my reasons but I don't think you would be interested. I'd be interested. |
Eaglemagic | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 11:22 am  This is from the Seattle newspaper article posted in OUTSIDE THE HOUSE: "But pageant official David Nold fumed, "Jamie has had less involvement as Miss Washington USA than any titlist I've ever known. Jamie focuses on promoting only Jamie, not Washington, not the pageant, only Jamie." Nold is vice president and general legal counsel for Northwest Pageants, which runs the Miss Washington and Miss Oregon USA pageants. Angered when Kern's talent representatives issued a statement last week claiming she represented the state well on the CBS show, Nold said, "She hasn't done anything to represent Washington state." Dennis Kern responded that the family had had a "very, very uncomfortable association" with the pageant, and claimed that it was, in fact, Nold who wouldn't return his stepdaughter's calls." Since I am the one who started this thread, this answers a lot for me. I also didn't realize she was Miss Washington USA instead of Miss Washington. |
Rufusgriswold | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 11:37 am  Battlestar, I agree that Vanessa is very talent and I wasn't comparing her to Jamie. My point was that winning a title is the goal. Once you've won, they can't take that fact away from you. Jim Thorpe was still an Olympic medalist in the minds of many, even though they took the medals away. From the sound of it, the duties of Miss Washington USA are not all that extensive, or the charming Mr. Nold would have bent over backwards to strip her of the title. As an aside, Vanessa is a lovely person in real life and incredibly petite (although she was noticably pregnant when I met her). Taking the title away probably did more good for her career than bad, because it separated her from the crowd and brought her many supporters who look down on the pageants. |
Lucinda | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 11:43 am  Jamie and the Miss Washington USA title is not so different from Jamie and BB. When she took on the Miss Washington thing she probably said all kinds of things about her enthusiasm for the position--how much she loved her state, etc. Funny, she NEVER once on the show said anything to other guests about "You guys have to come to Seattle, it is SUCH a great city, and SO beautiful". All she talked about was moving to El Lay and taking a road trip to Vegas. To get on the BB show, she pretended to be a multifaceted human being, to be open and excited for the challenges--willing to put herself on the line. But it turned out that, just like Miss Washington-USA, BB was just a stepping stone to celebrity for her. How fun for everyone. |
Gout | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 11:44 am  Well, I *know* there are plenty of people out there who WISH that Jamie had fulfilled her duties as Miss Washington USA; that would mean that only place she would have been preening and mugging would be county fairs, grand-openings of shopping malls and autograph signings at car dealerships - and NOT on Big Brother. I mean, *I* don't feel that way - I'm just saying. . . ;) |
Guruchaz | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 11:57 am  No. Pageant officials should see what they are doing to teenage female youth. Had Jamie not been all concerned about herself and situation, which is a by-product of being a Miss Washington victim, she wouldn't have taken so much flak from the public and probably would have placed in top 3. We're all a product of our environment. |
Lucinda | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 12:14 pm  Yup. It is really horrifying how the Pageant folks in Washington kidnapped Jamie and forced her into their pageant. Give her some credit. She's an adult. She's made choices. She hasn't chosen to live up to her obligations to Washington, that's clear. But I don't really think they should take away her crown, simply because, who cares? But I would also suggest that Jamie might have never made it into the BB house, if she weren't a beauty queen. I think that was her "hook". |
Mysteri | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 12:41 pm  I think she should lose her crown because she has an obligation for a full year of appearances and whatnot. Instead she chose to dodge a full 25% of those duties by entering BB. No pass no play the say at my son's school...well Jamie has not been "passing" in terms of her duties to her crown. |
Leef57 | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 12:52 pm  Time to give it a rest, Folks!!!!!!! |
Lafatme | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 01:04 pm  she should lose her drivers license and her right to vote too! happy now? |
Bigbromo | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 01:30 pm  I may be wrong, but wasn't JULIE CHEN the first runner-up when Vanessa Williams got canned? |
Raindog | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 01:48 pm  Hey Rufusgriswold- you have refered to yourself as a director (in other threads) and have done a fair amount of name dropping. You seem a pretty staunch supporter of Jaime...do you plan to cast her in any future productions? not trying to be catty - just wondering. |
Mas | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 01:50 pm  We're at the end of the line folks. Give her a break. CBS and Miss USA are tied together through whatever deal. Jamie and Miss Alabama (and maybe others) were interviewed for BB. Someone put some sort of pressure to put a beauty queen on the show. BB chose Jamie. She's behaved herself on the show - no crazy romances, no wild drunken partying. If Miss USA was upset at Jamie for her actions on the show, her title would have been pulled a long time ago. If the local pageant (a franchise) was mad AND pulled her state title unilaterally, they would draw the wrath of the head honchos (like Donald Trump) at Miss USA. My answer is no. It was entirely up to Miss USA to determine if Jamie upheld the values of the organization. |
Rufusgriswold | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 02:02 pm  Raindog, I am hoping to work with Jordan on an upcoming project, but I would gladly work with Jamie as an acting coach if she settles in New York to go to Columbia. I think she needs to work very hard to overcome some bad habits. I think Jamie is probably a very nice person, but there are many other actresses I would prefer to work with first. But you never know. |
Rufusgriswold | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 02:10 pm  And sorry about the name-dropping. I've met a lot of people in the business, but I don't claim to be friends with them all.  |
Battlestar | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 02:12 pm  I bet the beauty pagent folks put a clause in the contracts of contestants that they may not go on any reality shows without prior permission from the pagent officials (If they win the pagent) |