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Spright

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:28 pm Click here to edit this post

Ocean, I can't understand why you would say Curtis should be a leader in the house because the others look up to him without even realizing that they do. And then you say that Curtis's leadership qualities are weak. It's fine to not like Curtis but it doesn't seem right to me that you choose to hold him to the standard of a leader when he has never indicated that he wants, or believes he holds, that position in the house.

Bali

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:29 pm Click here to edit this post

Lafatme wrote: "bali is telling the truth, stealth is not."

Thanks, Lafatme!

Curtandeddie

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:29 pm Click here to edit this post

Bali, why do you always have to answer those that disagree with you by insulting them? Grow up.

Jade888

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:30 pm Click here to edit this post

BALI..........


YOU ARE SO GOOD! GO GIRL!

Nadi

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:32 pm Click here to edit this post

IMHO

The challenge was worded so that it was open to interpretation. There have been enough challenges in the past where the houseguests had to make a plea for one of the other houseguests. Its probable that Eddie and Josh interpreted the challenge to mean they had to name one of the other 2.
If any of the 3 of them were lying in their answers then they should definitely pursue a career in Hollywood. All of their answers were spontaneous. None of them had to sit there and really think about how they were going to answer. Their answers came from the heart.

Can we just give it a rest? None of us are the least bit objective. The Eddie fans and the Curtis fans are equally hateful. Its funny how quick we are to point out how hateful everyone else is but can't see it in ourselves or the people who share our viewpoints.

Curtis, Eddie and Josh have all made it to the final 3. They are all great guys in their own ways. Support whoever you want, but if your favorite is so great why do you need to tear down the other houseguests in order to make your guy look good?

This is not aimed at anyone in particular. It just seems like lately there are a lot of hateful, mean spirited posts. Curtis fans should be able to support his RR challenge without slamming Josh or Eddie, just as Josh and Eddie fans can support what they said without picking apart Curtis.

Ocean_Islands

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:35 pm Click here to edit this post

If Curtis never indicated that he wants a leadership role in the house, then why has he tried (and succeeded at) influencing the houseguests so much?

I like Curtis a lot, actually.

Bali

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:36 pm Click here to edit this post

I find human behavior really interesting - which is why I find this show AND the discussions here so fascinating. People will come up with all kinds of reasons, real or not, to support their position. If they like someone as boorish as Eddie, it doesn't matter what he does or says...everything will be put in a rosy light. And conversely, it's true when they dislike a person. Perfect example is what we're seeing tonight...even though Curtis was being honest and straightforward with his answer to the question put forth by Julie, he's being slammed and criticized for it by those who dislike him.

Ocean_Islands

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:39 pm Click here to edit this post

Unfortunately, I think what is sad, for those supporting Ed, is that it is clear that he has lost the grand prize.

The American public will simply not tolerate this kind of behavior.

Whether you like it or not, his cause is lost. This fits in with the previous banishment voting percentages that he has achieved.

The public is smart enough to realize that missing one leg is not a justification for anti-social behavior.

Dianali

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:41 pm Click here to edit this post

I taped the show. Here's my transcript of what Curtis said:

Julie: Who do you think should win, and why?

Curtis: I hope to win, I don't know if that means that I should win. And I'm just going to leave it to the public. But if Josh or Eddie win, I think that's great. We've all four, I think, expressed our reason why we should win, and it's up to the public. But I'm just so glad to be here right now and I'd be happy with whoever won. Hope it's me but I can live with it if it's not me.


Honest, rational, even-tempered, Curtis has been consistent from Day One. It was Eddie who choked; apparently, by staying in the house those extra weeks, he did change, just as he had feared. I bet that twenty minutes after he's out of the house he'll be thinking, "What the f did I say in there? Show me the money!" Too late; the half-a-mil will be resting on Curtis's Trinitron.

Jade888

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:41 pm Click here to edit this post

Stealth:

I think Bali is making her point...can we not agree to disagree?

Bali

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:42 pm Click here to edit this post

Curtandeddie - "Grow up"? How succint and intelligent...you think I'd follow your advice? I think not. Those like yourself and others who are unfair are the ones who need to "grow up". I'm writing and responding from my heart. I feel just as passionate as all of you do.

Pavlov

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:43 pm Click here to edit this post

I am a little confused about what Curtis actually said in the redroom. After the show was over, I thought Curtis had said something to the effect, "I can't say I deserve to win. . . I would like to win. . ." Then I came to this thread and it sounds like Curtis said something more like, "I deserve to win. I should win."

Can someone help clarify this for me? Is there a complete, accurate transcription somewhere of this conversation? I would like to see direct quotes.

Pavlov

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:45 pm Click here to edit this post

Dianali, looks like you read my mind while I was posting my above question. Thanks.

Jade888

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:46 pm Click here to edit this post

What is your problem Stealth? Grow up everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Sorry...I happen to agree with BALI and I have never had to brown nose in life...I guess maybe you have since you bring it up first.

Gizmo

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:50 pm Click here to edit this post

Wow, the way this is going it's like the presidential race or other political race. The HGs spend 3 months "campaigning" only for the viewers to decide their vote from 30 seconds answering an ambiguous question. LOL!

Go Curtis!
Go Eddie!
Go Josh!

In that order.

Bali

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:51 pm Click here to edit this post

Stealth - you're no match, girl. No, I'm not a hateful person. I'm a happy, nice person who can't abide passive-aggressive whiners and I think you're the one who's taking it personally. And it shows class (not) that you're insulting Jade as well. I couldn't care less what looks "becoming" on me. I take it as a compliment if people like you think I look less than "becoming". I only care if intelligent, fair, mature people have something critical to say to me. I will respect what they say. But you, pfffft.

Chestnut

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:52 pm Click here to edit this post

Dianali: Thanks for the transcript. Couldn't agree with you more. My vote will definitely go to Curtis.

Bali

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:54 pm Click here to edit this post

I heard Curtis say, "I HOPE to win...", not "I deserve to win..."

Go Curtis!

Ocean_Islands

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:54 pm Click here to edit this post

Sometimes a transcript cannot convey the emotion seen in someone's face.

Honest, rational, even-tempered -- all true in this live challenge.

But these do not contradict my other points regarding Curtis in previous posts.

Room_101

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:58 pm Click here to edit this post

Curtis did not choke! He shined!

He has express his feeling about wanting the whole experience, and winning is part of that experience!

Besides, he said he hope to win, and acknowledged the other HGs... NOT that he should win.

Ocean Islands: Curtis has never indicated he wanted to be the "leader" of the house. He has stated his opinions in a concise and intelligent manner. THAT'S why people in the house will take his opinions to heart.

Soweird

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:59 pm Click here to edit this post

As someone who's not a Curtis fan, I have to say that I didn't see anything that bad about Curt's answer. I would have had more respect for him if he'd answered the question that was asked (who deserves to win), instead of trying to "middle" it by saying he hoped to win but wanted to leave it up to the public. But I would have thought even less of him if he'd said Eddie or Josh, since he doesn't seem to particularly care for them.

As far as Eddie, it wouldn't have bothered me if he'd said himself. As it turned out, he said what he thought would help him win, which is completely consistent with his oft-stated intention of playing the game to win.

If Jamie had said at any point along the way that everything she was doing was just her way of playing the game to win, I'd have liked her a lot more. As it is, she wanted us to believe that building friendships in the house was important to her and winning wasn't. A lot of us didn't believe her.

Josh was very consistent in saying he thought Eddie should win. He's been impressive lately in his consistency.

Jade888

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:59 pm Click here to edit this post

WOW!!!!!!!!

Getting Nasty huh folks!

Egbok77

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:15 pm Click here to edit this post

Ummm. . . I HOPE you all know that Curtis DESERVES to win!!
Hee-hee!!

GO CURTIS, you little cutie-pie!!

Alien8

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 11:54 pm Click here to edit this post

Curtis definitely choked in my opinion. Since we are reviewing the RR comments like it's an olympic sport where every nuance is taken in to be evaluated I say he really choked and screwed up and it probably cost him a few votes. The american public seems to like humility when it comes to winning money and his answer came out contrived and a little bit forced(his response came out a little like how I think Jaime would respond which honestly surprised me). It was a fairly easy 'challenge' and he dropped the ball which in my mind points out to his 'calculated' sensibilites. In every other challenge or situation in the house he has a very even 'middle ground' response which makes people kind of 'go easy' on him but when he is asked 'point blank' questions about himself from Big Brother he makes asinine statements like 'he should win the whole game because he's a good person' or some other dipshit comment like today's 'Gee, I'd like to win if people will vote for me' never deviating from the knowledge that it's a popularity contest and his mis-calculated response was that if he mentioned and advocated someone else like Josh or Eddie that might give the public the impression that maybe they 'should' vote for someone else because they're more deserving of the money more i.e. poor. I always thought he was a phony self serving B*tch and this pretty much confims it. P.S. I'm adding IMHO because people tend to flock in droves to defend the dictionaries definition of an 'effeminate gay man who hasn't left the dark and cold confines of the closet yet'.