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Remus

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 03:17 am Click here to edit this post

Some of Jamie's defenders are wondering why that she is polling at 75% to be banished, and has consistantly been the least popular on the official BB poll, lately even behind Pugita!

I know some of you are hurling yourselves to the ground wailing "WHY, WHY, WHY, is sweet Jamie so unloved?"

I have narrowed down the origin of Jamie's unpopularity to three examples. Hopefully it will ease the minds of those so baffled bewildered and befuddled why Jamie is on her way out Wednesday

1: "The dice" Either way this is a loser for Jamie. If she was sincere, it showed a great (Sean Kenniff-like)weakness in making decisions, if she was insincere, which many of us believe, It was a way to make her look good even though she had real reasons to nominate people"

2. "Hollywood Storylines" Jamie made it clear ad nauseum that she was here to be a movie star, and because at any time she could be a story line, she would not do a single thing to tarnish her star-quality. Which included being real. The "Hollywood" nickname and the constant harping on fame, made her look calculating and very boring

3 "Anthony" Choosing a casting director for a futile two minutes over her mother, made her look cold and desperate. Reinforcing what many of us believe that Jamie is a fake.

I just want to make an additional comment for those who describe Jamie as a helpless innocent.
There are many many beautiful women in America that do not compete in Beauty Pagents. Anyone who competes in a pagent knows what they are doing. So please don't waste your breath when you apply the words "Poor and Innocent" to Jamie. She is a big Girl and will be able to carry her own suitcases on Wednesday :)

Fenixtx

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 03:24 am Click here to edit this post

Remus, I thought Romulus got rid of you a long time ago.

Grag

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 03:31 am Click here to edit this post

>There are many many beautiful women in America that do not compete in Beauty Pagents

I don't understand. What does this have to do with Jamie?

Kuh

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 03:36 am Click here to edit this post

Remus - You have taken your bland redundancy to new heights and yet it, and you, remain boring.

Remus

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 04:01 am Click here to edit this post

Kuh - Just be there to greet her Wednesday. I am not here to entertain you.

Sensfan

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 04:14 am Click here to edit this post

Some just don't like when others "hit the nail on the head".

Well said Remus.

Kuh

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 04:45 am Click here to edit this post

How quaint..the haters pat each other on the back.

Affinity

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 06:00 am Click here to edit this post

I will also pat Remus on the back, and I am sure more will

Tootseug

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 06:17 am Click here to edit this post

Remus, you are right on with your assessment. The only thing I would add to you #2 section of your assessment is that it not only made her look calculating and boring, but it MADE HER calculating and boring. She was hired to be real. She not only cheated herself of the experience, but she cheated the viewers as well.

Excellent post Remus.

Kuh.......we are Jamie "haters". Just because we are not pulling for who you are pulling for doesn't make us haters. Would a "hater" have emailed CBS and suggested to them that they give Jamie the Trinitron T.V. as a parting gift on Wednesday?

Annah

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 06:22 am Click here to edit this post

Remus...you are probably correct...when I think back, those are the things that stand out in my mind about Jamie and none are positive.

I'm sure she is a good person but it just didn't come across on the tube. Unlike a beauty pageant when they only actually speak for a well scripted minute or two...hear we got to see them all the time...she will do well though and I think the program got her the exposure she wanted.

I think she should go to get her Masters in the Ivy League....it will pay bigger dividends.

Sparky

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 07:05 am Click here to edit this post

Yesterday (Sunday), when all the HGs were fessing up to their nominations along the way, Jamie admitted that a couple of times she did not use dice. Even if given the shadow of a doubt that she claimed to be using dice so it wouldn't hurt the banished HGs who would later see the RR tapes, it was still perceived as deceitful by the public because her dice-throwing always coincided with who she would have probably picked anyway. So her "dice-throwing" backfired (whether she admitted to it yesterday or not - which she did).

Lisat

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 07:18 am Click here to edit this post

Remus - Well Said!

Kuh - You don't seem to be taking Jamie's nomination very well...my sincere condolences...

Txgirl

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 07:19 am Click here to edit this post

she didn't use her dice in the beggining voting mega and jordon and karen she stated her reasons for voting them all and i think they were accurate reasons because all 3 deserved their banishment..sure people are mad because she rolled dice so what she liked the remaining hg and didn't know how to vote... maybe she thought she would be 2-faced if she just voted like the rest..her hg knew she was rolling the dice she even rolled it in front of eddie and george once and yeah eddie didn't like that she did it that way and so what it felt right to her...
and whats wrong with comming on a tv show to get exposure where better to get it.. she stated from the beggining thats why she was there for that and for the experience so what if she doesn't want to add negativity to her storyline who does want to..
her picking anthony over her mom well her mom understood and even told jamie that on the phone so why is everyone else upset about it and her mom's not.. I'll tell you why because its just another reason for "jamie haters" to justify thier feelings about her..
Truthfully if you go back and re-watch the show you can always find a reason to not like any of the hg not one of them is perfect...they are all human...

Eaglemagic

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 07:28 am Click here to edit this post

I was talking to my mom and she said she was calling up to banish Jamie. I said that I couldn't even remember why I had disliked her and that I wasn't going to call up to banish anyone, but when I hung up the phone with my mother I remembered why I disliked Jamie - mainly I disliked the fact that she chose the Casting Director over her mother. I am an actress and would never choose someone else over a family member. I just wouldn't reject a family member - even if Steven Spielberg were in the next room. I would just try to make an appt with the
"powerful mogul" after I left the house. So that bothered me a lot. Also the back-stabbing attitude toward Karen. Talking about her negatively ad infinitum and then nominating her and acting like she was Karen's best friend.

Yes, there are some redeeming qualities in Jamie -I sense a strong caring personality toward the other HGs and I like the way she tells the public that she would be happy for whomever wins the money. But actions speak louder than words and not choosing her mom was a strong action.

Lucinda

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 07:46 am Click here to edit this post

I used to really like Jamie. In the beginning I gave her major props for staying out of the fray. But when she successfully outlasted several "more interesting"(i.e., more willing to participate in "storylines") people, she got a lot more airtime and the more I saw the less I liked. I definitely was stunned when she chose the casting director guy, and I was surprised at her coldness after Britt was banished. One thing I really don't like is feeling the need to cringe while watching TV. With Jamie's lack of awareness of how she comes across to others, her vanity/insecurity, and her overestimation of her role in popular culture, she's made me cringe more often than anyone--and that's why I voted for her.

Irish

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 07:55 am Click here to edit this post

"her picking anthony over her mom well her mom understood and even told jamie that on the phone so why is everyone else upset about it and her mom's not.."

My mom would have told me it was ok on the phone to try and make me feel better, but as soon as she got me alone, I would get a HUGE chewing out! I'm not saying her mom is/was/wasn't upset, but most mom's would have been. And we the viewers also look at the situations and try to decide how we would have acted.

Another example... Josh saying that "he would do a guy before he would kiss him" I've heard a lot of guys say that before because kissing is a lot more emotional and personal than 'doing'. I'm sure quite a few guys were saying yuck but that was Josh being honest.

We LIKE honesty!

My again. LOL If I keep this up, I'm going to be broke!

Kramer

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 08:37 am Click here to edit this post

Remus,

Just to add one more thing to your list, which I thought was significant:

When Jamie nominated Karen and Karen was treating Curtis terribly, Jamie just sat by and watched. Karen told Jamie that she knew that Jamie wouldn't nominate her and Jamie didn't say a word. She let Curtis take a lot of abuse for her actions. I lost a lot of respect for her. It was pretty obvious that Karen was going to get the boot, she should have stepped up to the plate and been honest about it. In the end, she was confronted anyways and honesty would have at least avoided the public embarassment of Karen saying "sorry Curtis, I now know it was Jamie who nominated me". If they are as good of friends as they all suggest they are, there should not be hard feelings over nominations, it is a part of the game and everyone has to do it. Instead, Jamie chose to protect herself and sold Curtis down the river.

I am glad that I got a chance to think of this instance, it reminds me of what a great guy Curtis can be.

Kathyb

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:07 am Click here to edit this post

I'm getting a bit tired of hearing that Jamie
refused to tell Karen she had voted for her.
They ALL made a pact not to tell their nomination
votes. Curtis could have told Karen that
he didn't vote for her, but he also honored the
pact. Yet only Jamie gets called on it.

Sparky

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:17 am Click here to edit this post

I believe the pact was made after the Karen incident. I remember they put it to a vote (whether they would talk about who nominated who) and then Eddie said fine - then quit asking me who I voted for from now on.

Kramer

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:18 am Click here to edit this post

Kathyb,

She only honored the pact when things got ugly. Prior to Karen's nomination, Jamie went around from HG to HG lobbying to nominate Karen. Her blatant disregard towards the pact prior to nominations only magnifies the point that she wasn't merely "keeping the pact" but was trying to preserve her image after the nominations. That entire nomination series revealed a lot about Jamie and her trustworthiness.

Remus

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:25 am Click here to edit this post

I was thinking of adding the Karen Incident, but chose not to. Thanks for bringing it up, it was also a key moment.

I created this thread because at the very beginning, I was tempted to like Jamie. It was not something that I was predisposed to. An evolution occured, and it occured big time

Txgirl

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 10:10 am Click here to edit this post

First of all Kramer I watched all show and internet feeds and Jamie spoke with curtis about it and curtis told jamie don't tell karen anything i can handle it,, so Jamie was gonna say something to karen and curtis stopped her..

Battlestar

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 10:16 am Click here to edit this post

Txgirl--that's not quite true.

He suspected that she voted that way and in their conversations they always avoided saying it ---but even after Karen revealed how Jamie voted---Curtis and Jamie were talking about it---Jamie acted surprised when Curtis said he thought it was her (as if it could be anyone else)--and that he could read her like a book.

Forgottenlore

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 10:20 am Click here to edit this post

I have a serious question. Let me preface it by saying that I don't like or dislike Jamie. She is not "real" enough for me, but then neither is Josh.
My question is, "If I had seen the interview with the casting director, would I feel differently abouther chosing Anthony over her mother?"
I seem to be the only person that never thought it was that big of a deal. I am VERY close to my mother, and because of that closeness, I know that if I was given an opportunity to make a connection, <so that when I got out, I could say remember me? Thank you for meeting with me, now you know my name and face....> my mother would TRUELY be okay with it. It is not like she is going to live in that house forever, she WILL see her mother again, and very soon. As for it only being two minutes, it wasn't about getting a job, it was just about meeting someone in the business. I am not asking to be slammed, I just honestly don't get it. She obviously loves her "mommy" very much, so why is it such a big deal?

Rosalind

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 10:22 am Click here to edit this post

Remus, could I add my own complaint to your list? I don't like Jamie because it is soooo clear that there is a lot more going on behind those eyes than she lets on. She WANTS to be perceived as innocent and sweet, etc., so she appears to lack even the most basic emotion. I feel sorry for the struggle it must be for her to constantly judge her actions/reactions through "her public's" eyes. If she could or would just FOR ONCE say how she truly felt, I would feel so much better about her.

But I'm not holding my breath.