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Lawyerman

Friday, September 22, 2000 - 11:07 pm Click here to edit this post

Finally, a good argument for discussion. Eddie just said, "Big Brother, these are the kinds of questions you should have been asking us!" I agree. This argument is getting kind of heated with Josh v. the other HG's.

IMHO, Curtis sounds condescending towards Josh - probably the most condescending towards a fellow HG than I've ever heard him. But I like Eddie's reasoning, "I'd rather go down fighting than fighting amongst ourselves."

For the record - I'd prefer US versus the world. Sorry Sloshie!

Snogrl

Friday, September 22, 2000 - 11:11 pm Click here to edit this post

Why has it taken 2 3/4 months for BB to give them something interesting to do. This is great. I do think the beer is helping.

Room_101

Friday, September 22, 2000 - 11:17 pm Click here to edit this post

The real personality of the HGs are coming out now!

Let's see what comes out of it!

BTW: US vs WORLD... I must concur with Curtis' reasoning.

Lawyerman

Friday, September 22, 2000 - 11:22 pm Click here to edit this post

Wow, they've been talking about this question for almost 30 minutes! And when everyone seemingly wants to drop the topic, Curtis brings it up on Josh as everyone leaves the room.

I'm a Curtis fan, but tonight, he's being really arrogant and should just drop this whole conversation and his whole, "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude.

Whew! Looks like they've finished, but let's see if Curtis brings this up in the pool...

Gomer

Friday, September 22, 2000 - 11:33 pm Click here to edit this post

What IS curtis reasoning vs Josh?

Room_101

Friday, September 22, 2000 - 11:47 pm Click here to edit this post

Curtis says US vs World...

His reasoning:

1)Historically civil wars are much more brutal.. much more causalities.
2)Countries with standing armies close to US is no match to US Forces. (ie: Canada, Mexico)
3)Countries with larger armies (ie: China, etc..) must need time to get here.. We can shoot them down if they try.
4)US Nuclear Arsenal will thwart/discourage other countries and will surrender quickly.
5)Other Countries with Nuclear arsenal is no match to US technology and doesn't have enough missiles.
6)Its un-American to have a civil war, rather fight others countries.

Kalihiwahine

Friday, September 22, 2000 - 11:51 pm Click here to edit this post

Lawyerman..

I think Curtis continued because he really believed in what he was saying...I didn't take it as being arrogant..they were BOTH stating their opinions..

and guess what...if you were watching the live feed, he DID NOT bring it up....I'm glad they just had a lot of fun out there...

hey, but it did make for a lively discussion..

Lawyerman

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:09 am Click here to edit this post

Kalihiwahine - I'm not the only one who thinks that Curtis came accross as being arrogant. (See Joker's discussion board.) He let his guard down tonight and at one point he was the first one to say, "I'm right and you're wrong." Then after the argument seemingly was over when Jamie and Eddie left the LR, he brought up the subject again when he stated to Josh that he just couldn't understantd why Josh took the position he took.

Thankfully, he did not bring it up during the pool session. But he did bring it up to Josh just briefly in the bathroom after pool time in a gesture of we'll agree to disagree type of context.

Tonight we saw a different side of Curtis, who is typically conflict averse. And while both he and Josh both had valid points, he was constantly interrupting Josh and did not seemingly want to end the discussion when it was clear that others wanted to do so. It is that aspect where he came accross as a bit pompus to me, not wanting to end the conversation until he "won."

Don't misread me here. I agree with Curtis and his position and I am a big Curtis fan, but at some point during that 30 minute discussion, he should have just ended it instead of fuelling it more and more aggressively against Josh.

Did you notice how Eddie just stated his position and reason and just shut up? I wish Curtis would have done the same thing.

Gomer

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:15 am Click here to edit this post

Good arguments-but 1st one I thought of was civil war would weaken US (what's left of)forces so ANY COUNTRY(thinking a muslim alliance here)wouldn't hesitate to make a pre-emptive strike against US-rallying 3rd world countries to their side.


Still lots of anti-US imperialistic/big brother sentiment out there-coupled with willingness to use weapons.

Kalihiwahine

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:18 am Click here to edit this post

Lawyerman..

I guess I missed a great portion of it..thanks for filling it in for me...I really like Curtis also...

Do you think maybe he was just practicing his lawyerly persuasion skills...if he didn't do well, could be the 3 month confinement...

thanks again

Lafatme

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 01:23 am Click here to edit this post

make love-not war!

Sandycatz

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:43 am Click here to edit this post

Guys -- Remember Curtis is a lawyer, he argued as a lawyer, don't give it up until you have convinced them. By the way history has time again proved Curtis right.

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:44 am Click here to edit this post

US vs. WORLD as long as nuclear and biological warfare were excluded from use. While in the Army, my job was working on nuclear and thermonuclear warheads. Along with that job came a lot of information. Believe me, we don't want to go there. (I mention wanting that exclusion from the "game" because no one else said anything about it)

Webtvlurker

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:57 am Click here to edit this post

Curtis has been condesending since day one. He sees 1st place and he's letting his true colors show. He has been dissing Josh in the RR since the beginning. He has pondered Josh's sexual preference, honesty, and integrity on national tv, over and over again in the RR. None of the other HG have done this. IMO This is not admirable behavor and shouldn't be rewarded. See my post under - Josh doesn't want to see Cass whats he hiding?

Chris

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:09 pm Click here to edit this post

Lance, that is one of the reasons I like living next to Cheyenne Mtn. I know in a nuke war, I will be instantly vaporized and not have to live through the aftermath. On the other hand, I understand that bio-warfare now dwarfs the threat of nukes. Cheaper, far more devastating to life, and more likely to be used because it preserves infrastructure. And any country with a pharmaceutical lab or fertilizer plant can do it.

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:30 pm Click here to edit this post

Chris, bio-warfare, IMHO has always been a bigger concern. When I was involved in that business from 74-77, I was always thinking bio was a much worse threat. Nukes were considered off limits for use (funny to have something, yet 100% sure they would never be used), and as war is a cost thing as well, bio is much cheaper. You can also wipe out more people with bio. (maybe not as quickly, although given 3 months to a year......).

Neutron bomb an interesting story as well, as far as why it never came to be.

I digress--sorry.

Jade888

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:37 pm Click here to edit this post

I think it is difficult for any of us to determine what kind of war we would like to participate in since many of us have never had the experience to live in those days with any war on US soil except for those who live in Hawaii and were alive during the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

My mother lived through that experience and it was not pleasant. She still has memories of that morning and living through the bombing. Can you imagine sitting in a church and the bombs and planes droping over you?

Any was is a bad war, but if our country continues to have a large population of the poor and the working poor a civil war is almost inevitable.

Chris

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 01:09 pm Click here to edit this post

I grew up during the VietNam war, and remember what it was like just dreading the thought of fighting in "a limited military action" in another country once I became of age. Everyone we knew had a friend or family member who had been killed. Also, I was born at Holloman AFB, and the housing we lived in was the Japanese detention camps from WW2, so I know how ugly our own country can become in such times. Personally, I think Wen Ho Lee is the victim of just such mentality today.

As for civil war, the rising tide of disatisfaction with government might indicate it, but I think the government's control over the system (Big Brother) has grown to the point of precluding it.

(notice the nifty neato way I brought this conversation on-topic?) :)

Annah

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 01:28 pm Click here to edit this post

The REAL Curtis finally emerges in the house...arrogant, condescending, I-know-better-than-you-dumbies....Curtis feels so far superior to this group of people....he has bitten his tongue from the beginning to stifle his dislike and disdain for all 9 of the other house guests.

Keeping opinions to yourself can pay off big if you can do it til the end.

He almost blew it in Civil War debate.

Mjji

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 02:04 pm Click here to edit this post

Curtis highly underestimates the "war" abilities of his neighbouring countries. He also said the world woudn't have a chance against the USA in a nuclear war. Perhaps he's forgetting that it's just as easy for any country to launch a nuclear missle as it is for the USA. It wouldn't take very many nuclear bombs to destroy the whole world, nevertheless, the USA. His patriotism is blinding him.

Webtvlurker

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 02:18 pm Click here to edit this post

IMO Curtis, eearlie perseptive and intuative that he is, realizes he is a lock for at least 2nd place if not first. He can afford to let his guard down and let his other side "come out" pun intended.

Prince

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 02:21 pm Click here to edit this post

Curtis is wrong to thinking that the U.S. would win against all of the *world* combined. That is absurd, the U.S. probably could wipe out the whole world's population but is that *winning*. China, England, Russia, Japan, and Germany have a lot of resources to defeat the U.S. if nukes are not used.

A civil war would be bad for the country but the U.S. actually went out of the civil war stronger than ever.

Just IMHO.

Deni_San

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 03:06 pm Click here to edit this post

I have never felt Curtis was condescending. He is intelligent and he has been working for an very top notch Manhatten firm that was described as very elitist. He is far more cultured than many of the houseguests, and there are far more incidences where he has changed his behavior to fit the other houseguests and not emphasize differences.

He is an intelligent guy who enjoys debate and finally gets to discuss something that actually interests him. He had valid arguments, and I don't see what is condescending about it. Are there anti-intellectuals here? Its kind of silly, people were saying he was too boring, and when he show spunk they wish he would just blend in with the crowd. Oy vey!

Fear all smart people! Especially if they dare to have an opinion or even allow their intellect to show! OMG!

Webtvlurker

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 03:22 pm Click here to edit this post

Deli_San, Just because someone is "intelligent" doesn't exempt them from being boorish and rude. And Curtis working for an elitiest Manhatten firm makes him "worthy" of winning 1/2 million dollars? Because he's more cultured than the rest? I could use the same arguement that Eddie haters use on this one. Why not just have the HG turn over their resumes, educational stats to determine the winner. As far as being cultured goes, one who is cultured with manners does not go into the RR and repetedtly backstab and diss someone else (Josh) who has no knowlege and no voice to counter it. Curtis for all his lip service does not care about any of these people, he's the guy that feels "dead" inside, remember? OMG is right!

Petunia

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 03:41 pm Click here to edit this post

I love a good debate, sounds like Curtis does as well.