Josh Did The Right Thing Tonight

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Tukuul

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 05:40 pm Click here to edit this post

Josh has good character and reasoning. He was absolutely right in all of his comments. Nobody in there knows what is going on in the outside and shouldn't be punished for it or get all stressed out over it.

Shark_Trager

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 05:42 pm Click here to edit this post

Except Brit was warning him about inside the house.

Rufusgriswold

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 05:42 pm Click here to edit this post

And by keeping his mouth shut, he will drive everyone crazy! Their imaginations are much more vivid then the truth.

Tukuul

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 05:45 pm Click here to edit this post

What was there to warn about Cassandra? Brit was going after those who nominated her. The only thing Cass did to Brit is nominate her and now she can't be trusted? That's lame.

Flint

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 05:47 pm Click here to edit this post

As with most things, whether he did the right thing or not is subjective. I do think he is doing Britt, and himself, a disservice when he makes statements like that she told him because she knew it would go no further. If she didn't want anyone to know, she wouldn't have said a thing. She told him because she lumped him into those who are trustworthy. She would have been better off telling Eddie if she really wanted it to get out.
Of course what i said is also subjective, and just ...

My 2 cents. ;)

Shark_Trager

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 05:49 pm Click here to edit this post

Regardless of her motive, my point was that her warning was related to inside actions.

She may also have taken offense to Cassandra's RR comments about race and near walkout. Who knows?

Tukuul

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 05:52 pm Click here to edit this post

Josh doesn't have ESP dude. If she wanted him to spread it around, she should have told him to or told Jamie directly what she thought of her. She specifically told Josh to keep it to himself and he did. There's nothing wrong with that. So, Josh isn't a narc...great character.

Ccc

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 05:52 pm Click here to edit this post

Actually, I agree with Tukuul.

I didn't last night while watching the show because, like most of us, I thought it might be fun to stir things up a little.

But Josh did the honorable thing. His reasons were sound. From his perspective, what is happening outside the house is not George's doing and therefore it wouldn't be fair to make him a target.

Besides, the banner tonight will clue the rest in on it anyway. It basically tells them that the other banners may be true. And Josh comes out of it with his honor intact.

Prince

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 05:54 pm Click here to edit this post

I think he has integrity enough to let the other HGs decide their nominations on their own strategy/conscience as they see fit without being biased by the outside opinion of a banished houseguest who has her own agenda.

I think he has sacrificed a lot more by letting this be a secret than letting it out. (the level of trust by the other HGs on him will go down for sure)

I think our hatred for George and Jaime (I am one of their haters ) is impairing our judgement.

Just IMHO.

Flint

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 05:54 pm Click here to edit this post

Shark Trager;

Good point. Who knows? Only Britt really knows. It could be based on that. Or on how she flip-flopped in reasons for being there from her tape to now. or even just because she voted for Britt. Or how she went on about a woman should win and then voted a woman to be banished. It could be based on a sound, well grounded reason, pure speculation, or anything else.

Regardless, the point of this thread is about Josh not telling what he knows, and why. Not why did Britt add Cassandra to the list of those who are not trustworthy. ;) Anyway, this is just ...

My 2 cents.

Tukuul

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 05:58 pm Click here to edit this post

The key word here is "HATRED". It's ridiculous to see everyone get all worked up over a TV show. There's not any money in it for everyone out here, so why stress over it? People are going nuts. Our society is truly falling apart.

Russ702

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 06:03 pm Click here to edit this post

Your unwarranted hatred for George and Jamie is impairing your life.

Whatever

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 06:03 pm Click here to edit this post

Josh has had his character tested in ways the other houseguests haven't, and he always comes through.

(I've already posted more about Josh in past weeks, and in the thread: "MONEY- George $500K, Josh $100K, Curtis $50K")


Josh deserves to win more dough than Curtis.

Flint

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 06:04 pm Click here to edit this post

Tukuul;

Society fell apart a long time ago. We are just starting to realize it. ;)

Tukuul

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 06:09 pm Click here to edit this post

If people are gong to HATE, why can't they direct it at someone like Saddam Hussein or something instead of a hard working American? I don't get it. It's sad the way hate prevails here.

Flint

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 06:18 pm Click here to edit this post

Tukuul;

Well in my case it isn't hatred. I don't know any of the HG's enough to hate them. Dislike, sure, but hate is too strong for people I don't know.

My main problem with the show now is boredom. The plan for the group seems to be to coast to the finals being nice. If Josh spoke up it might actually generate some confrontaion. The HG's may actually ask each other some hard questions about what is being said and done. They may actually act like normal people.

You are also right, Josh doesn't have ESP. Then again, neither does Britt. It is easy enough to slough this off as her picking the wrong person to pick if you wanted info relayed. That is what it looks like.

Josh doesn't want to say anything that would generate hostility in the house. It is hard to dislike him for that, for trying to be a nice guy and not start bad feelings. On the other hand, it just goes along with this shiney happy non-confrontational way of being that doesn't mesh with reality. It also doesn't make for interesting TV, or any type of competition, and this was supposed to be a contest. That is what irks me. While it can still be called a contest, it is some sort of popularity contest based on who can be the least controversial. Which, IMNSHO, is boring, and in the end just ...

My 2 cents.

Rosalind

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 07:35 pm Click here to edit this post

He did the right thing for maintaining status quo in the house. Like Brit said, it is a different culture inside there, and they have established a "code" for survival. What Josh said to Brit was interesting, "I'll keep the love in the house." That's the code they've established...and in my opinion, it was Brit who created it in the house! She was honest about her emotions, very caring and open. She brought everyone into this protective little love circle, and they are now ruled by it like it is law. Josh was promising her he would maintain that law- even tho now she's out of the house and out of the house culture and sees things differently. The rest will too, when they leave.

I'm fascinated by the sociological aspect of this. Boring TV it might be, but what a study in human behavior!!! Wow.

Ladykat

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 07:42 pm Click here to edit this post

I'm kind of on the fence about if Josh did the right thing. I want him to tell, figuring a least it will spark some kind of emotions or something.

They are so emotionless to me. They all seem to be so scared to rock the boat. But then I agree with what he said about keeping it to himself, and the reasons why he chose to do so. I can't blame him for wanting to keep the peace.

And just because a person express there dislikes about another person, that don't mean they hate that person. It just means there is some details about their character that is dislike. Like someone said we don't know these people well enough to hate them. I think some of you have been listening to Eddie to long shouting HATERS ! {:)}

That's my Constitutional !

Ladykat

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 07:44 pm Click here to edit this post

Opps forgot to add opinion ... LOL Oh well you guys no what i mean't.

Bookwoman

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 08:11 pm Click here to edit this post

Voyeur posted this on another thread. I thought it was very insightful & didn't want it to get buried.
"If I may be permitted to speculate here, consider things from Josh's perspective. Do you want to take the trustable good guys with you to the final 3, or do you want to take unliked untrustable people with you. And yet he can't say that, because that won't play with the audience, but he'll make himself look good by not cracking."

Skwmom

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 08:13 pm Click here to edit this post

Someone on another board brought up the idea that maybe Josh didn't say anything because he does not want to anger George's support base and pay for it the next time he is banished. I'd like to think that's not the case but who knows. Hard to tell anymore who is phony or for real.
I didn't agree with people when they were calling him a player but after his interview tape who knows. Also, he said that after he found out he was on BB and told his friends when he went to a BBQ the next night not one of his friends mentioned it. Either he has friends who are jealous or he doesn't have strong friends because he's not such a great friend himself. I'm with Curtis on this one - who knows with Josh.

Kara

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 08:16 pm Click here to edit this post

Whatever, are you George's next door neighbor?

Skwmom

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 08:20 pm Click here to edit this post

Good point. He could be strategizing to keep the more unlikeable HGs for the final vote. I've thought that's why Cass and Jamie didn't vote George last time. They know that the public has voted out the HGs that are controversial. Notice how Cass and Jamie were egging on George to put on make-up and the stupid pink bikini top.

Shayrainb

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 09:17 pm Click here to edit this post

yeah,Josh did do the right thing but it makes for very boring television

Sparky

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 09:55 pm Click here to edit this post

Please excuse me for copying and pasting my post on Josh under "Josh - loser" but I thought folks in this thread wouldn't visit there.

There is a lot of time until George and Jamie can be up for nomination next time and Josh may reveal stuff before then that can affect nominations.

But he actually did well in the Red Room because he acknowledged the message he got from Britt about George and Jamie to the producers AND the audience who ultimately decides banishment. We'll see. I hope it affects him enough to at least nominate one or the other next time (Jamie or George) since one of his two choices could walk this coming week (Cassandra or Curtis) and he has to make a different choice. My guess is he'll choose Jamie because his logic has always been to choose the ones who he perceives will do fine on their own after the show (and he is deluded like the others that Jamie has a future in show business after BB).

Voyeur

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 10:07 pm Click here to edit this post

About Josh's friends not saying anything about BB at the BBQ, that added another straw to something that I've been mulling over in my brain for awhile. I added it on top other things, including that Josh always seems to be editing his stories on the fly instead of a straightforward narrative.

I know someone who is always embellishing or even outright makes stuff up. Not so you could ever prove it, but this person has the same habit of editing on the fly that Josh does ("so she says to me, um, no she didn't say anything"), and great and wonderful things that are about to happen to this person always seem to fall through. Everybody has pretty much learned to let the stories and "Guess what?"'s go in one ear and out the other. If something like BB were to actually happen to this person, they'd probably get the same reception that Josh did, and everybody would be way surprised that later on that it actually was true and didn't turn into some excuse that they bumped him from the list.

I'm not saying that Josh is the same, I'm just saying the pattern is awfully familiar.

Soweird

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 10:44 pm Click here to edit this post

Prince wrote:
>I think he has sacrificed a lot more by letting this be a secret than letting it out.

I might agree, if not for the fact that he didn't have to tell the other HGs that he had a secret at all! He could have used that gigantic intellect to make up some small white lies -- Britt says Hi to everybody, Britt says she's doing fine, etc. -- instead of blurting out that Britt told him some things that he won't talk about.

Sparky

Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 10:57 pm Click here to edit this post

Soweird, Josh took seconds after the Britt conversation to tell or not to tell when he emerged from the Red Room. I take more time to check my telephone for caller ID and whether or not I will take the call.

He may change his mind. But by withholding right now, he's getting a good sense of Jamie's desperation to know. I see that as good and I will be VERY surprised if he does not nominate her next time. (I think he'll still take Britt's revelation about George with a grain of salt so he'll use his second vote on either Cassandra or Curtis - whichever one survives this week - since he's been consistent on voting for them since he thinks they'll be self-sufficient no matter what).

Yes, I wish he would nominate Jamie and George, but I don't think so.

Lafatme

Friday, September 08, 2000 - 12:24 am Click here to edit this post

i just want to point out that brit said NOTHING bad about cassandra. there's a lot of speculation about what brit has against cass.

she told josh he could trust ed and curtis, and told him about georges wife.

she said nothing bad about george, himself, or jamie, or cassandra. only that there are "questions"

anyway, i think brit just wants to talk to cass and jamie to get the "questions" answered before judging them.

Dangergirl

Friday, September 08, 2000 - 07:06 am Click here to edit this post

First: She said "the only people you can trust are Curtis and Eddie."

Second, maybe she sees Cass as dishonest (just speculation, not me "hating on" Cass here!!!!) because she tells the group she is in for the long haul and stuff but mentions walking in the Red Room on the tapes Britt saw and in Britt's love bed mentality, the "cold" Cass behavior is related to her not being "committed".

Thirdly, jamie proved some of Britt's Jamie is not trustable point by being so whiny and begging Josh to tell her what Britt said and then going on ad nauseum about how close of friends they are.

Bbfan058

Friday, September 08, 2000 - 07:24 am Click here to edit this post

Yeah I see Josh's silence on this as a personal boost for himself. Altho I think it would have been more fun to see all the hg's reactions if he had told them!! cbs would also have loved to see them too. would have made for some interesting shows. i just hope this wont make for a jamie george eddie line up at the end.

Flint

Friday, September 08, 2000 - 07:31 am Click here to edit this post

Maybe they should offer Josh some $$$ to spill his guts. See if that works. ;)

Chris

Friday, September 08, 2000 - 11:57 am Click here to edit this post

Offer them a steak and lobster dinner for all if they agree to watch the tape of what Britt told Josh. :) Hamsters are obviously more interested in good food (which they have little of) than money, which they can't even use in there.