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Bbyoohoo | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 06:36 pm  A nasty cold landed me in bed last night (Friday), watching BB in its entirety for the first time. I was intrigued enough to search for more info, which lead me to this message board and the live video feed. So without preconceptions, biases, and pre-judgments, and based on a few hours of objective observation, I declare Curtis the Courteous as the winner, hands down. He is by far the shining star and the stable force of this motley quintet, certainly the most intelligent (and well-read), as well as the most congenial and courteous to his fellow housemates and voyeuristic TV audience. By a huge margin, he is the most industriously contributing member -- I watched him doing his laundry by hand, cleaning up the kitchen, kneading dough; when he was not being productive for the benefit of himself and the others in the house, he was reading, enriching his mind and expanding his knowledge, while the others were...sleeping, I presumed. (I may be feeling under the weather, yet I wouldn't fritter away those precious daylight hours by sleeping them away as the others were doing!) To top it off, he's funny and light-hearted! And with lots of sex appeal. I'd be happy and proud to have an upstanding person like Curtis as my brother, my son, my friend, my grandson, or my significant other (that's a lucky woman who lands him one day). In my book, he is already the winner, hands-down, whether he wins this contest or not. And indeed, it will be a silly contest, if he doesn't. Runner-up: Pugita. She is absolutely charming. |
Jade888 | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 06:38 pm  GO CURTIS GO!!! My favorite from day one. Hang in there Curtis now we have to get the USC folks together. |
Dortega | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 06:40 pm  i dont see curtis winning the big pot...sorry. |
Mbliving | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 06:52 pm  Based on a few hours you picked the winner? Most of us have been watching from the beginning. We have seen many facets of their personalities. Some have grown and some have withdrawn. All the HG's do thier laudry by hand, help in the kitchen, clean bathrooms, etc. I have seen all of them reading and all of them playing. I've seen the soft side of all of them and the not so soft side of all of them. This is not about whether or not I like Curtis because I do. It just annoys me that someone can pass judgment after only watching one day. |
Bbyoohoo | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 07:05 pm  To Dortega, As I said, Curtis is ALREADY a winner a life. The "big pot" in life goes far beyond external rewards, including a mere several thousand dollars. As viewers can see, he is already being generously rewarded by life with his upbeat, friendly, undefatigable spirit that shines through. This guy can laugh with (not at) life. He will continue to be generously rewarded by life with the love and respect of family, peers and friends who hold him in high esteem, as he is a positive and generous giver to life. A wealth beyond the material. As I said earlier, I SEE Curtis clearly as the winner, whether he wins this competition or not. He is a fine person with a good, clean, loving heart, who is already a better person having experienced this once-in-a-lifetime experience, and will become an even better person as he reflects back on it. He doesn't need a popular/sympathy vote to affirm the fact that he is already THE WINNER. We could learn from his behavior, his example; he is worth emulating. We'd be winners along with him. We can smile and laugh with life with him. Be joyful. A joyful life. Now that is a real prize. I declared him WINNER, and so it is! |
Farkle | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 07:10 pm  Well, talk about sleeping the day away. I'm not knocking or hyping Curtis but this new viewer has obviously never seen him take his snoring power naps either! He works and reads, yes, but he CAN hold his own when it comes to sleep - right along with the rest of the QUARTET by the way! |
Bbyoohoo | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 08:09 pm  To mbliving, Yes, I am a new viewer -- to watching the show in its entirety. I lead a busy life (full time job, motherhood, wifehood, community involvement, volunteer work, personhood), and have been able to watch but snippets of the show these last three months (not enough to get involved and get emotionally attached to any of the HGs or know who is who). So, let me cut to the chase. IMHO, life is too short to be annoyed by my trivial observation. I expressed my intuitive -- gut-- feeling of what I observed, perhaps offering a fresh, untainted, novel perspective to the readers here who may be more accustomed to entrenched, polarized perspectives that I have read here. I have no reason to doubt that the others in the house pull their weight -- do their own laundry, etc -- or play or read -- or have kind hearts. My observations were not meant to cast aspersions on the others. I reported what I saw, what I felt, what I summarized. No judgment was passed on the others. Believe it or not, I actually like every one of them! What about my post triggered your surprising strong reaction? What would cause you to be so unfriendly to me, a first-time poster, and accuse me of being judgmental-- in your words, "passing judgement", when I made the parameters of my viewing and observations crystal clear? I read the moderators' guidelines with care, I suggest that you do the same. I did not deserve your put-downs. Yours was not the warmest of welcomes. Perhaps, a bit of projection of your own sense of judgment of others? Worth checking in. As humans, we often point the finger at someone else when the finger should be pointing back to ourselves. Perhaps, if you are feeling guilty about napping in the daytime, don't. I am happy for those who can nap so easily. Again, worth checking within. Life is challenging as it is, why add to your challenges by challenging first time posters on things that in the large scheme of things are of very little import? I wish you well. I wish you joy. To Farkle, Yes, I have read about his snoring. A perfectly flawed human being, like the rest of us imperfections. I snore, too, so I've been told, when I am exhausted, so it's nothing I'd hold against anyone. As for the quintet/quartet...I initially wrote quartet, then realized that Pugita is an integral part of this group. And thus, I corrected myself and wrote "quintet". I read that Pugita has been "claimed" by one of the behind-the-scenes folks. How I'd love to have that little cutie-pie and her affectionate ways in my home. She is a treasure...and therefore, my choice as runner-up. |
Rufusgriswold | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 08:16 pm  BByoohoo -- strong reactions are common on this board. It is impossible to express any opinion without someone coming back to tell you you're wrong. I agree with you about Curtis. He has worked hard, been considerate of his fellow HGs and stuck by his friend Jamie, who also stuck by him. Both Curtis and Jamie have won the game in my opinion. Eddie, who is so admired for being "honest" and "loyal" turned on Cass and George (after saying he wouldn't) in order to get to this point. Whoever wins the money, Curtis will be the most honored and successful when the show is over. Thanks for your perceptive and interesing insight. |
Petunia | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 08:26 pm  Bbyoohoo, I've watched from the beginning and completely agree with your assessment. He's shown himself to be a wonderful human being, and I have no reason to doubt that he'll remain so whether he wins or not. |
Dulci | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 08:36 pm  BByoohoo - your perspective was most welcome, and your post was indeed clearly titled. Just the other day we had an interesting thread comparing the opinions of tv-only viewers to internet/live-feed viewers, and we all learned a great deal from it. Feelings have been running quite high the past few days, normally posters here are very funny and articulate. Please stick around, admin has big plans for this board, [soon to be renamed tvfanclub.com], and every board should be so lucky to have such a thoughtful poster... [ps, Curtis is my favorite too] |
Spot | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:24 pm  Well, let me warmly welcome you, Bbyoohoo!! we don't bite (can't, my web provider doesn't offer that service yet). And I think you may find a frendly response on occasion. You will also see that many, if not all, of us, also have lives. Please be kind in judging this entire board on your first-time peek inbetween your motherly, wifely, volunteering, etc, etc duties. Hope you stay for all the fun! This is THE place for the best BB info and conversation. |
Mbliving | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:02 pm  My post was obviously misunderstood. Your title of the thread was new viewer not new poster. When I read new viewer and then the fact that you stated you are basing your opinion on watching for a few hours, I thought you meant that you were a first time viewer. I don't think anyone who not been watching the show can get a good grasp on the people involved. What they've been through and how they've changed over the last three months. I have no idea where you are going with your other comments. I've been posting here and other boards for a long time. I think I understand guidelines. Guilty for napping? I also have a full time career, husband, two kids, coach soccer, involved in the community club, etc. Napping? I wish I could get more than 5 hours sleep a night. I don't recall judging you or anyone else in my post. I said it annoyed me that a person who stated they were a new viewer could make judgements on others. You said he was the most industrious contributor and he read while the napped away. I stated that they all contributed and they all napped. This is hardly a put down. A message board can be a lot of fun. Please keep posting but don't expect everyone to agree with you. Discussing/debating is half the fun. |
Ginap | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 05:18 am  What some people fail to realize is that anyone can vote not just the people who have watched the show 24/7 since the show began. There is nothing to stop someone who maybe just watches the show this Wednesday from voting regardless of how little info they are working with. |
Grag | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 05:53 am  Oh yes. Curtis is the cat's meow. Plus he don't eat neraly as much as Eddie. Curtis is low maintenance. If Jamie is smart, she will snag Curtis before some other woman does. And I don't think Jamie could resist Curtis' charms. I don't udnerstand what they are waiting for. |
Bbyoohoo | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 01:27 pm  Rufusgriswold wrote: -- strong reactions are common on this board. It is impossible to express any opinion without someone coming back to tell you you're wrong. Just goes to show that, as a species, we have a ways to go before we achieve perfection as a group. The hostility and harsh criticalness in some of the posts in the forum do take me aback. As if the authors are so perfect themselves... I just hope that their hostility and harshness here are not samples or reflections of these posters' real lives. I'd greatly dislike being their family members, who are used for target practice! I find myself saying over and over, "But, it's just a game!" I'll put reading such posts to good use by allowing them to serve as reminders to simply grant others their beingness -- who they are, right or wrong, flawed or perfect. Also, the relativeness of "rightness" and "wrongness" is made so clear in these posts, and I am reminded not to put so much energy in being so "right" at the expense of relationships. I agree with you about Curtis. He has worked hard, been considerate of his fellow HGs and stuck by his friend Jamie, who also stuck by him. Well, it is Day 2 in Big Brother world for me, and I tell you, Curtis is a man after mine own heart. This morning, I watched him making carrot cake (my favorite treat) from scratch. Now that is a cool, versatile dude. He's willing to try something new, stretch himself. And believe me, as he found out, making carrot cake is a lot of work, especially when you don't have a food processor to grate those carrots in mere seconds. Yet, he kept on grating, sticking to the task to its conclusion...just as he has with the BB show, seeing it through to the end. He just keeps on truckin' and smilin'. What an up toned fella that quickly dispelled my own morning ogres! Both Curtis and Jamie have won the game in my opinion. I think all four are winners. It's said that, on average, it takes two years to build a real relationship. I am inclined to believe that this BB experience has exponentially accelerated the process for these four, and that the relationships among them will endure and are true. They say they like each other, and I believe them. All of them.   Let's not forget, Pugita (I am totally smitten):
And we are winners to actually witness that this is possible. Vicariously, we win. Eddie, who is so admired for being "honest" and "loyal" turned on Cass and George (after saying he wouldn't) in order to get to this point. I'll respect Eddie's choices (he has his reasons), and add that I really do like this guy. He's refreshing. And although I would love to be there to see his mom wash his mouth out with that soap-on-a-rope, I speculate that his potty-mouth is an adolescent thing that he will grow out of in a few years. My two cents on Eddie's potty-mouth:
I went through my phase at about his age, myself. It was a vulnerable time in my life, and I felt that verbal prickliness "protected" me. I see now that all I did was pollute the air, and I had no right (or consideration) to do that to others who share the same air (sound) space. I think Eddie's not quite there to see how it intrudes on the space he shares with others or how it can assault others' sensibilities.
I also suspect part of that is maybe a machismo, "I'm-all-male-and-don't-you-forget-it" thing. His uncle died of AIDS, and if that uncle was gay, the ultimate price of life was paid for this life choice. Perhaps, Eddie's way to keep all of this at bay? Changing one's behavior is just a decision away. Habits can be broken. But a constant in Eddie will be his strong, glowing, hopeful spirit, that has survived beautifully, in spite of his life's vicissitudes. Whoever wins the money, Curtis will be the most honored and successful when the show is over. He played the game the best -- that is, if that was the objective of the game. He contributed to himself and to the group. He makes me laugh, and reminds me to do so, cold and all. He inspires me to bake bread, make carrot cake -- to be more nurturing and "treating" my own family with kindnesses from my heart. He inspires me to be a better person to myself and to those around me. And he certainly makes me keep an open mind about attorneys. And not to pre-judge them, or any other occupation as a group, and to see each individual as an individual. Had I pre-judged Curtis as an attorney with all the stereotypes associated with that profession, I would have cheated myself out of Curtis' lessons to me over the last 48 hours. What a powerful medium for good that we have in our midst! Thanks for your perceptive and interesing insight. And thank you for your kind thoughts that you and others expressed to me. This cold has been not bad at all, and it allowed me to take a peek a world that I might not have otherwise. There are no accidents. I'm even singing along with the guys: "I love, I love my little calendar girl..." now how the heck do 20-somethings know this oldie-but-goodie?
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Spot | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 03:05 pm  Wow, Bbyoohoo, you certainly have the art of short and to the point down pat! Don'cha just hate it when a post goes on, and on, and on.... |
Annika | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 03:11 pm  Beautiful Post Bbyoohoo. I'm in love with him too. |
Twiggyish | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 05:15 pm  I LOVE Curtis, what a great thread! |
Curtandeddie | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 05:22 pm  I really like Curtis but don't see him as the winner. I would like to see Eddie take 1st, Josh 2nd, and Curtis third. From the outset, I didn't think Curtis would make it very far. I thought he was a goner when he was first nominated. Now, I know better! He's a great guy and I wish him all the best. I first started to really like him when he was nommed the first time and said "When's dinner?" or something to that effect. I'm so happy he's made it this far. I'm sure his family is very proud of him. |
Bbyoohoo | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:47 am  Spot wrote: Wow, Bbyoohoo, you certainly have the art of short and to the point down pat! Don'cha just hate it when a post goes on, and on, and on.... Good morning, all! Hehehe. Part of my work is being a researcher-writer, and succinctness is my usual modus operandi, but this fun free-for-all message board is a new experience, and I have discovered my garrulous side! This is Day 3 for this newbie in this BB experience. Today, I'm stomping out the last remnants of this timely cold, and like many of you, I am now addicted to BB and having the day to myself, I am indulging the voyeur in me, online. Tomorrow, it's back to my 4/10 work week. When it's all over, I'll officially be a one-week BB addict and proud of it! Actually, the truth is weekends are family-spouse time and I knew my time to post on a Sunday would be limited, so early in the day, I wrote down what was on my mind in one fell swoop, instead of little blurbs. (Indulge me; be kind. I don't get to be "out" on the 'Net very much. ) Myself, I find myself looking for and enjoying the in-depth, analytical posts. Folks seem to put more of themselves in them. They tend to be more thought-out and meaningful for me. 8-) Don't get me wrong, I've thoroughly enjoyed the snappy quips and one-liners and spontaneous, to-the-point witticisms, too. See ya all later. Like the HGs, I'm in California, and like Josh, I need to knock the sleepies out of me with some morning coffee. I'll be back to share my newbie insights on...Jamie , if any one's interested. |
Bigbromo | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 10:55 am  Ooh, if Curtis wins, that would be totally sick. He's boring, insipid and pollyanna-ish...not too mention totally wussed out and immature...and insecure. Yuk. He's gross. |
Jake | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 11:21 am  BBYOOHOO - I agree with your assessment of Curtis. I've been watching from the beginning too, and you're dead-on. And isn't it funny, (you detractors of the one-day evaluation) that Curtis is so good, it comes thru whether you've watched one day or one hundred days??? Hell, those who have the apptitude CAN pick up personality traits quite quickly! I wanted Curtis and Cassandra in the top two spots from the beginning, but now that Cassandra is gone, I'm pulling hard for Curtis. As a person, he's very well-rounded and very grounded. Absolutely a good role-model for many! GO CURTIS!!!! |
Bbyoohoo | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 11:46 am  Monday, September 25, 2000 - 11:22 am I promised to start posting my thoughts on Jaime. I began them in the post below that I posted elsewhere, and since it also ended up with why Curtis is the winner in my eyes (and likely Ayn Rand's), I repost it here on this thread...as well as for practical reasons: after today, my time on the 'Net will be curtailed by work, so I'm trying keeping my posts on this thread for easy referencing, as the high volume of posts buries threads so quickly. So if you happened to read this post on THE BASED ON NEED thread, just skip this one. In reply to Dulci, Karen, and Marymary; who wondered who would Ayn Rand, the author, pick as the BB winner, I wrote: Ayn Rand wrote those wonderful,deep and philosophical books, life-influencing favorites of my college years: "Atlas Shrugged", "Fountainhead", and "For the New Intellectual". She was a proponent of rugged individualism and detested conformists, and for this alone, I KNOW with certainty: Jaime would not have been one of her heroines. She was very much against socialism, detesting wimpy, bleeding heart types who rewarded others for their "need" and not merit, which would only further encourage mediocrity and continuing wallowing in self-pity. If people were rewarded for being needy, their self-initiative, creativity and belief in their "able-ness" flew out the window. She would not have appreciated Josh's bleeding heart at all. Her heroes were discliplined, rational, creative people OF ACTION who did not succumb to sentimentalism, "poor me/poor you-ism" and "fitting in". Her heroes were people who succeeded based ON MERIT, who created their own success by dint of hard work, personal genius and creative effort. Not based on pity/sympathy/need, that's for sure. The closest fit for a hero in Ayn Rand's books, IMHO, would be CURTIS, with a huge dose of Eddie's individualism thrown in. |
Bbyoohoo | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 01:24 pm  First of all, could someone in the know help? Is it true that Curtis has said that if he wins the grand prize, this windfall would free him to do pro bono work (literally: " work for the good"; i.e., volunteer his professional services for free?) Would someone verify this statement? Also, when did he say said statement? (Video feed reporting: Date, time, if such info is available on the site?) Jake wrote: BBYOOHOO - I agree with your assessment of Curtis. I've been watching from the beginning too, and you're dead-on. And isn't it funny, (you detractors of the one-day evaluation) that Curtis is so good, it comes thru whether you've watched one day or one hundred days??? Hell, those who have the aptitude CAN pick up personality traits quite quickly! Good to hear from you, Jake. In fairness, let me admit that I have eight years of intense, formal college training in psychology, plus postdoc work and an abiding interest in things psychological, so assessment is my bag, so to speak. Also, as an INFJ Keirsey temperament type, I am very intuitive. :-) I wanted Curtis and Cassandra in the top two spots from the beginning, but now that Cassandra is gone, I'm pulling hard for Curtis. As a person, he's very well-rounded and very rounded. Absolutely a good role-model for many! GO CURTIS!!!! I agree with every single word you've written. Unfortunately, I didn't get to see Cassandra in the house, as I just started "serious" BB viewing on Friday. She is a gem of a human being! I hung on her every word and revelation when she came to visit the house. She is a diplomat. A savvy, attractive woman. She exuded intelligence and integrity with great human warmth, to boot. And classy to the max. She must have been a fascinating HG! I envy those of you who had a chance to watch her as a houseguest. Her life experiences are so....rich! Working at the U.N., living in Africa (and New York), and she seems to possess a Maya Angelou kind of wise persona. How in the world was she banished so early on? I am baffled. It was apparent that she was dearly loved, highly respected, and surely should have made it to the present round. Any insights for a newbie? |
Chris | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 02:23 pm  Bbyoohoo: Yes, it was in the Red Room, when they all had to give reasons why they should win the money. |
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