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Whatever

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 07:31 pm Click here to edit this post

Jujubean-


You really do have serious difficulties with comprehension, don't you?

I wasn't criticizing you for asking a question, I was commenting on your numerous previous posts where you've criticized ideas which you clearly demonstrated you did not understand.


You've repeated the same question twice, despite the previous direct response to you: "Please read the many previous posts earlier in this discussion which very clearly answer your question."


Perhaps everyone should explain each of their nearly 400 posts in this discussion AGAIN, just for your benefit?

Teo

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 07:31 pm Click here to edit this post

STOP! Please...like I said in the thread about racism, this thread started out as an important dialog and has completely deteriorated into the denigration of fellow posters.

Talk about your opinions, but don't flame others for having theirs. Listen to each other -- I didn't say AGREE with each other, but at least listen!

Bigbroho

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 07:31 pm Click here to edit this post

Thanks for your insite Juki. It is nice to hear from someone with working experience and free of "jaded" opinions.

Peace and love.

Ladykat

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 07:38 pm Click here to edit this post

My freedom of speech was made in reference to someone wanting to banish someone from the board because of their post. And the attacking of other people that post.

I think some people needed to be reminded, we still live in America ! I hope people wont use this against Eddie when they vote. Overall I think Eddie is a good kid, and his family really could use the money. But I still say he should not have did what he did ... bottom line !

JMO

Ryn

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 07:39 pm Click here to edit this post

This thread will either be moved to "favorites" or closed soon. Just an fyi

Jade888

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 07:40 pm Click here to edit this post

Thanks you Teo...it is about agreeing to disagree and this is what makes life long relationships work. Unlike some on this board who are mean spirited and try to bring out the worst in everyone it appears that if we do not agree with Bigbroho than we are all wrong...SORRY...but I am entitled to an opinion even if he hates it and I found the action most concening on last nights show.

Teo

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 07:52 pm Click here to edit this post

We see things in so many different ways and that's normally OK.

I've been following this thread and was so hesitant to say anything because I AM a victim of abuse. I was 12 and huddled in a corner as my Dad kicked me with huge boots. My efforts to shield my head amounted to naught because I acquired epilepsy from the episode. Therefore, I take abuse VERY seriously. My 22 years with epilepsy never lets me forget or underestimate domestic abuse.

On the other hand, I was the only female in a family of 5 children. My brothers have used some of the very same language to me all my life, but it was just in JEST and I knew it. When I saw the incident on TV, I used what I had as background and saw that Eddie was teasing Jamie.

Really, that's all we can do -- use our background and/or education to look at any situation. Having experience in the real thing, I truly, truly believe that it was misconstrued into something it was not.

But, that's my opinion......and I hope that no one flames me for having it.

Shanti

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 07:54 pm Click here to edit this post

Enough is enough! I am so sick and tired of "experts" seeing behaviors and making judgments without interviewing the participants. Everyone now comes from a dysfuctional homelife, and young men are always saying and doing stupid things. Get on to something else.

Whatever

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 07:55 pm Click here to edit this post

To close this thread on a positive note, I'll apologize to Jujubean if my last post was a little harsh because I was getting impatient with her, and I will repeat what I said a little while ago:


Those of you who presume you understand the issues and have the easy answers should question your beliefs more deeply based on some of the comments here.


If awareness was increased, or someone will suffer less in their lives as a result of something learned here, then this discussion will have been worthwhile.

Creamynougat

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 08:02 pm Click here to edit this post

If it wasn't inteded to be a threat, why would it be dysfunctional or unacceptable?

Does anyone else out there understand this statement?


I think so. And maybe we're getting hung up on semantics. Regardless of Eddie's intentions, his words and actions were threatening, even as a joke. In a similar fashion, a racist joke, even if it's intended as a joke, is racist nonetheless and is generally deemed unacceptable.

I think we've reached the point where we're looking at this through the wrong end of the microscope. The incident cannot be taken in isolation but must be considered in the context in which it occurred. To me, it seemed like rather bizarre behavior on Eddie's part. Dysfunctional? I dunno. But it wasn't within the usual bounds of interpersonal behavior that I'm used to seeing between individuals over the age of 16 or so. Chalk it up to immaturity, perhaps. But it's really time that Eddie began thinking about what it means to be an adult.

Chris

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 08:04 pm Click here to edit this post

Teo: I also was a childhood victim of physical abuse by my father, though I was fortunate - he left when I was ten. I too suffered epilepsy as a result, though I have not had a seizure in about 20 years now. I also didn't think Eddie was really threatening her, just his weird way of joking around. There was no danger. Not once did my father ever say what he MIGHT do, he just did it. My mother and I are both scarred as a result.

I doubt that anyone here will ever change their opinions, or even really listen to each other. They want only to be heard, not to listen.

Teo

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 08:09 pm Click here to edit this post

Chris...thanks for sharing that. It means a lot to me. We kind of see through the same eyes, don't we?

Marymary

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 08:15 pm Click here to edit this post

For the love of God, people, please put this thread out of its misery!!!!!!!!

Admin

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 08:51 pm Click here to edit this post

I just have to say, I LOVE this thread!

Why you ask?

Because it's got more posts than any other thread ever!! :)

And being the admin of this board, I love to see people post! :)

Just keep it clean in here, don't get too nasty or a moderator might come along and decide it's time to call it quits....we don't want that.

Renee

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 08:59 pm Click here to edit this post

"Get a life you sorry bunch of man-haters. Not all men do what instincts tell them and not all are as aggressive as the ones you might have endured."

Yeah, we all Know that. There were 2 other men in the room. Some of us even know a couple personally. LOL
Katie, thanks for going over it factually. I'd asked if someone could tell me where I could find it in the live feed transcripts but no answer. :)
I'm was trying to decide who to vote against this week since I personally like ALL of them. Now, reading thru this, I see that at least one person is voting I believe 34 times because he/she is angry at specific other people continuing to post. Guess that's one way to make the decision. Funny though, were you the same one who was saying that Eddie knows how to play the game? Perhaps I'm mistaken. If not, it would appear that you Don't. You're voting against one person now because of your feelings towards a fellow poster, not based on behavior of HGs. Anyone else see some irony in that?
I also find it very ironic that "twofacedjamie" would take that particular handle and then tell others; "Haters, get a life." LOL I'll have to remember that.
I wonder if Eddie would really appreciate the behavior of his supporters, considering I think he's a basically decent guy who wouldn't spend this kind of time attacking others. Weird! HE seems like the kind of person who'd be able to let something go and NOT get so personal for days on end. You know you're not converting anyone, just possibly alienating undecideds at this point.
Something to consider, ignore or attack.

Kady99

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:22 pm Click here to edit this post

I think I was about the fifth person to post on here. I stated that I found nothing wrong with Eddies remark. I also stated that I liked Eddie and nobody would make me change my mind. Well checking on this thread from time to time, I admit I haven't read it all. I now will state that I still like Eddie. See nobody changed my mind. I figured since nobody will let it die. I'll just keep it going. :)

Jujubean

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:47 pm Click here to edit this post

Whatever: "You've repeated the same question twice, despite the previous direct response to you: "Please read the many previous posts earlier in this discussion which very clearly answer your question." Perhaps everyone should explain each of their nearly 400 posts in this discussion AGAIN, just for your benefit?

I read the previous posts, that's why I asked the question in the first place, because of your indirect references. You never directly answered the question. Creamynougat answered the question directly with his/her opinion. Thank you Creamy. Although I disagree with you still Creamy, I respect your viewpoint. I just don't read into it the way you guys do. I don't think it had anything to do with violence at all, or that it was unacceptable.

Whatever:"JuJuBean Your continued backpedalling as you fail in the attempt to support your erroneous assertions is further demonstration of your sad state of denial and lack of basic comprehension skills."

"You really do have serious difficulties with comprehension, don't you?"

You have criticized me and others on this board for disagreeing with you who tried to understand your point of view with your indirect references. You say I have "serious difficulties with comprehension", and that I am in a "sad state of denial". All the time- moving further away from the issue of this thread and attacking me and others because we disagreed and asked you legitamate questions.

Whatever: "Those of you who presume you understand the issues and have the easy answers should question your beliefs more deeply based on some of the comments here. If awareness was increased, or someone will suffer less in their lives as a result of something learned here, then this discussion will have been worthwhile."

I would HOPE you mean that for BOTH SIDES of this argument....though I COMPREHEND that this comment here is one sided.

BTW, Thanx for the apology. I think.


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Ladies and gentleman of the jury:

I always just look at the facts. I agree that physical abuse is a very serious subject, and should not be taken lightly. But, when it is linked to an incedent which we DON'T KNOW what Mr. McGee's true motivation was, it is not appropriate.

To some of you the facts of the incident may be very unacceptable. Ultimately, if you deem such behavior by Mr. McGee with this "clothesline" incident as unacceptable you are saying that Mr. McGee's intention WAS to harm Jamie, verbally or otherwise. Or, you are saying that he did harm her verbally or otherwise. Even if you are only remotely sure it is unacceptable, you are saying his intentions were malicious. THERE IS NO IN BETWEEN. OTHERWISE, it would not matter to you and you would dismiss it as a joking matter.

Now, the POINT is, that we have no way of KNOWING he wanted to harm her. We are not inside Eddie's head. We don't know for a FACT what he was thinking. We only know what he said and did. We do not know if Mr. McGee's stated and acted intentions were indeed malicious in nature.

In closing. Yes, some behaviors exhibited by Mr. McGee may be unacceptable to some. We all come from varying backgrounds that lead us to the assumptions that we have made of this "clothesline incident". If it is unacceptable to you however, you are indeed making a case that MR. MCGEE IS A MALICIOUS PERSON BY NATURE, and meant harm with his comment.
It is not a fact, ladies and gentleman that Mr. McGee is a malicious person or meant harm by his comments. We do not KNOW that. Those are the facts.

I have nothing further your honor.

That was my point. Hope I made that clear?

Peace to all.

Newvoice

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:54 pm Click here to edit this post

Hello thread,
You are a dead horse. I will beat you now. DIE! DIE! DIE! :)

Just a little joke. ):

Wendy

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:54 pm Click here to edit this post

Holy hamburger Jujubean, I'm starting to get the feeling you've been up for the past 24 hours straight adding to this thread!!! :)

Whatever

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:58 pm Click here to edit this post

Jujubean,


For the THIRD time, I have answered your question and the explanation is in my previous posts in this discussion.

I have criticized what others may have said that is inconsistent with either their conclusions or mine. I have not criticized anyone simply for disagreeing with my statements or opinions.

I withdraw my previous apology to you, because you continue to repeat yourself and show consistent lack of ability or effort to understand other people's ideas.

It is clear you "have nothing further"- you had nothing to begin with.

Georgeliveson

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:00 pm Click here to edit this post

Renee, I was not going to add to this thread but I now will after reading your message. Have you read the thread regarding bashing other posters?? You really ought to as you are definitely guilty of it. I have seen some of Twofacedjamie's postings on Jamie and he or she does not go on and on and on about Jamie as the Eddie detractors have about Eddie in this thread. They haven't helped build up a 400+ thread against Jamie. I know I shouldn't add to this thing any further but ah well....

Wendy

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:03 pm Click here to edit this post

Just for fun...let's take this thread to 500...

Chatman

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:22 pm Click here to edit this post

I think I'll post for the helluva it.

Wendy

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:27 pm Click here to edit this post

Chatman: Do you mean your post was frivolous?

Kiari

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:27 pm Click here to edit this post

STOP STOP STOP PLEASE NO MORE POST'S AFTER THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!