Archive through September 23, 2000
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Archive through September 23, 2000
Sundancer | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:17 am  I could be wrong on this, but I recall Josh telling Brittany that his mom had died about 6 months ago. This was in the beginning of BB. Since he made his phone call to his stepdad(because he couldn't remember his sisters new #) I would assume that he doesn't have too close a realtionship with his real father. Once he gets out, he will have at his disposal 3 months of watching himself on the tapes. This would be an eye opener to any one of us. Hopefully, he will realize that he needs to speak with someone professionally. Paul Romer stated in one of his inteviews, that they will give the BB houseguests, psychological support for up to 1 year after they leave the house. |
Resortgirl | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:18 am  Kearie, From the symptoms you listed I would say you are a smart woman with PMS! Anyway those are my symptoms at that "time" of the month! LOL |
Mee | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:20 am  Kearie, what do you think of Effexor? Side effects? I know someone who might benefit from info from user. As for Josh, I agree with Kearie. Though I certainly could not diagnose him, my personal opinion based on experience is that he talks himself into little fits of depression when he drinks. Maybe occasionally when he doesn't drink. By "talking himself into it" I mean that he continuously thinks about depressing things until it makes him feel bummed. It's a habit, and very different from clinical depression. If Josh was clinically depressed, he'd have been crying in his soup LOTS more than he has. And he wouldn't have to be drunk. Someone with active, untreated clinical depression could not stay in that house 24/7 without showing obvious signs of the illness. Josh just chooses to throw a pity party for himself every now and then, I think. Especially when he drinks. It's a common thing for young people who have everything. (I used to do it myself when I was younger.) I could be wrong. Maybe he's medicated. But BB would be taking a pretty huge risk putting someone with a known mental illness in that house. Especially on the premiere show. |
Katie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:22 am  Does that mean I won?? |
Katie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:25 am  Kearie, I like you being special better. |
Kearie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:28 am  Depression. errr and anxiety. I guess there were 4. I forget about the anxiety. Ooops. lol Jade...I actually still don't see the HG as having diagnosable mental illnesses. True that they are stuck in a house, errr, mental ward. But their behaviors are very understandable given the situation they are in. Anything they show signs of in the house are most likely situational things. None of them are having a Chronic Depressive Episode, although they may show signs of depression. I don't believe that we can say any of the HG have PERVASIVE signs of anything given the temporary situation they are in. To label them with some disorder because of their behavior in the house is very unfair. Labels can hurt and in some cases labels can follow a person around for life. If I were to be a house guest in BB2...feel free to label me, for I do have REAL diagnosis' The HG live in a glass house for 1/4th of a year. Tell me that any mentally healthy person living in that situation wouldn't eventually show behaviors of any number of "mental illnesses." Take away the prize money, take away the cameras take away the knowledge that they are being watched and you have pretty normal people who would behave very differently than they do on the show. |
Whatever | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:33 am  Jade888. "I think it is unfair for us to discuss their mental health and to even attempt to give them a diagnosis" Did you come to that conclusion before or after your earlier post discussing the mental health of several houseguests? |
Watchers | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:33 am  JOsh seems quite lonely. He is a sad drunk as are many people. If he were clinically depressed, he wouldn't be lifting weights, worrying about his chest hairs, his appearance and such. He's a lonely kid who recently lost his mother and his girlfriend, doesn't like the prospect of being an engineer. He is going through stuff that lots of 23 year olds go through. Let's not be so quick to rush to the Prozac as this culture has a habit of doing. He will pull out of it. |
Zappre | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:40 am  Kearie: I'm interested in your opinion given your personal and educational experience with these issues. My experiences with the the labels or diagnoses you discussed is that they are often too transitory. Personally, i've been misdiagnosed so many times i have another form of MPD (Midiagnosed Personality Disorder). Also, I have found that after a number of years of serious depressive tendencies (with professional diagnoses to verify), I started to realize that depression worked for me. It was part of a manipulative pattern. There's nothing like a good professional diagnosis to give you permission to act self-destructively. Being incapacitated by depression protected me from others' expectations, allowed me to manipulate them into feeling sorry for me and doing things for me, and made me feel almost good that I had a label to lean on, since if it's not diagnosable, I must be therefore be just a bad person, or a uniquely sick one. I'm not devaluing in the least, legitimate illnesses which many have. But i'm curious how you and others feel about the above. Thanks. |
Kearie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:42 am  Katie won----Yippie!!!! Wo do I have to vote for? Mee---the only side effect that I notice is the dry mouth, which is normal for many antidepressants. But with effexor it is less troublesome than other meds. Effexor does not increase my anxiety, nor does it appear to effect my appetite. Jade---sorry if I misunderstood your first post. I do agree that it is not right to try to diagnose the HG. Tis why I offered myself to the butchers block...lol I had fun with that also....and I didn't even get flamed...lol |
Creamynougat | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:44 am  The BB house is like a psych ward with no nurses or staff to treat them. Something like this discussion board? |
Katnphx | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:44 am  So, I did get three right!!! Did I win? Did I win? |
Jade888 | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:52 am  I am just writing what I am seeing but with George's history history...since someone has put that in a magazine I read about being treated in a psychiatric hospital. Karen could use it just for the seperation of a 20+ marriage and Jordon she has issues about her dancing career. She has guilt about that. Mega he is just to angry and we got a taste of that, remember! We have been watching the show as ot does deal with the psychology of people of different backgrounds and different educational levels...it has been very insightful and stimulating to watch. I enjoyed watching Karen the most as I feel for her when a woman lives in a loveless marriage because marriage is such a wonderful thing. TO stay mrried for the kids sake, it is very sad to me. Personally, I think therapy is a wonderful thing and I enjoyed going through analytical therapy myself when my husband was a resident in San Francisco. Most residency programs look for people to treat for free while in training. |
Kearie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:03 pm  Zappre--- Well, hmmm, with the diagnosis of Borderline personality disorder comes the expectation of manupulative behavior. Yes, I can be very manipulative and in the past had a tendancy to expected to get pampered because of my illness. If I was not pampered I would manipulate others feelings, intentionally make them feel guilty and twist them to do my bidding. If they still didn't I would have totally illogical fits of anger or threats to harm myself. Horrible behavior on my part, which I still look back on with shame. This was all before I had any medical diagnosis. Once I got the diagnosis of borderline I read and read and read about it. I hated what it said about me. It said my behavior was horrible and intentional. With my new diagnosis that fit me so well, I could even be more destructive and claim it was the illness. Only problem with that, I truly hated that 'me'. I took the knowledge of my illness and used it to help me. When I had a "behavior", after all was said and done, I would spend a good deal of time trying to figure it out why. I would admit my answers to myself and to my spouse who was at the recieving end of my outbursts. In my case, my diagnosis has helped me. It helped me understand myself and my behavior and gave me a tool to work with to recognize my behaviors. The only time I have found myself consciously saying it is "okay" for me to have behaviors is when I go into mental health chat rooms and others are having behaviors. I tend to get more depressed, self absorbed and more easily slip into alternate personality fugues. I went through 6 years of misdiagnoses. To me, all those years meant no hope to get better. I wanted a diagnosis more than anything because knowing what was wrong gave me a starting point to know how to fix it. I could go on and on, but perhaps it would be best to take this to e-mail. I doubt most people want to hear all this. :-) fantasia4me@aol.com |
Jade888 | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:05 pm  Kearie: It is very brave of you to put yourself on the block this way...I hope you are well and seeing a psychiatrist who would be happy to discuss the medications you have been taking. Should you need more assistance you can contact your local Community Mental Health Centers in your area for a second opinion. I am sure that you are aware that mental health is one of the most misunderstood medical conditions in our country and that is why I have sued several states for the rights of the mentally ill. Recently in Hawaii I won a case against the state for the lack of funds for the poor for mental health treatment. I had to sue the state just to see how much money was spent on mental health services. IS that not sad? Also, mental health treatment has come a long way in the last ten years. One out of three Americans suffers from a mental health issue yet only 25 percent of those seek treatment for their illness. |
Kearie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:06 pm  Kat--- Katie won first.... sigh... |
Zappre | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:08 pm  Of course, you're right Kearie. Such a discussion wouldn't be worthy of a board sporting such gem conversations as "Josh shows pen1s on internet". ROFLMAO Couldn't help myself. |
Katie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:15 pm  Kearie, I want you to vote for whoever you want. Vote your own mind and heart. I was just trying to solve a puzzle. |
Zappre | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:19 pm  Katie, Now you sound like the HG's saying they're just in it for the "experience" and not the money. Hehe |
Katnphx | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:26 pm  Kearie, You are very brave to have put yourself up like that for the "contest" (which was a lot a fun trying to figure out). I wish you the best of everything in life. You seem to be doing well in dealing with some tough things thrown your way. |
Katie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:29 pm  Zappre, You are right! But my conscious would not allow me to tell anyone how to vote! |
Kearie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:37 pm  Katie--- WHINE! WHINE! WHINE! Are you telling me I have to be responsible for making my OWN decision? Ohmigosh! What to do. Thus far I have spent the entire sum of $1 voting someone out. Now I have to decide who to spend $10 on. Stress, panic, slipping to an alternate personality. hi i like you my favrit hg is the puppy i like puppys i vote for puppy are you vote for puppy i hope so puppy nice and funny Hehehe... Wow, talk about stress. I'm back to abnormal, errr special. I gotta keep Eddie and curtis in da house. I just have to. |
Katie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:45 pm  Interesting Kearie. Did you really want me to tell you who to vote?? I don't think so because my least favorite is Eddie. I know you don't want to vote him. I, however, do agree about Curtis. |
Jade888 | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:49 pm  Me to Kearie...after the clothesline incident with Jamie last night my least favorite now is Eddie...I want Curtis to take home the big one now! |
Kearie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:58 pm  Katie---I would have voted anyone you wanted off, well, with the exception of Eddie. Me bad. To be perfectly honest tho...I probably won't spend anything voting. My phone has 900 numbers blocked so I have to go to moms and borrow her phone if I want to vote. I totally understand your reasoning for disliking Eddie especially since hearing about the cloths line thing. For some reason I missed that show. The only one I have missed thus far...totally wierd that i would miss that one. Had I seen it it may have completely changed my mind and perception of Eddie. Depending on the amount of fear in Jamie's eyes, I may have 'lost it' I guess I'm glad I missed it and will continue my hopes of Eddie being in 2nd...even though I realize I may be simply blissfully ignorant at this point. Jade---Why do you sue mental health institutions? |
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