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Lafatme | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:14 pm  oh come on people! these guys think of themselves as a family. brothers and sisters. eddie was treating jamie as many guys treat their sisters. brothers treat each other that way. roughhousing with each other. there was nothing maliciaous intended or taken. they like each other and were kidding around. it would be wrong if he had acted that way to someone he didn't know well but, under these circumstances, they've become close and are acting that way. eddie would never do that if he didn't like her. he wouldn't do that to cass because she was older than him, not a peer. don't make something out of nothing. to those who are offended, i feel sorry for you. your lives must be filled with offensive occurences. i've been on both ends of similar exchanges many times and it's always resulted in laughing with a friend. sheesh! |
Kirabira | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:15 pm  hmm i was laughing ..... so its a joke! yay. you ppl are really weird. do you live in glass houses? id like to see u in the BB house |
Franny1 | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:16 pm  you are right lafatme. |
Gubblebum | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:16 pm  toomuch- thank you sometimes people see mountains where its only truly molehills (see my posts above- i mentioned the kid thing) |
Larrblue | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:16 pm  I don't want to add more to an over-100-post topic, but I will. As a big Eddie fan (heck, I even bought one of the oil paintings of him for sale on eBay), I too was a little upset about that scene. I only saw it once and I was eating dinner at the time, so I don't have the luxury of replaying it frame by frame. But what I saw DID bother me. It wasn't the initial "clotheslining" comment - it was the follow-up where he described in graphic detail, what it would look like on Jamie and exactly how it would proceed. I thought it was too much. I was waiting for Jamie to react but she didn't. If that were me instead of Jamie, I would have given him a simple "I don't appreciate that..." and let him know that even if it was a joke, it was over the line FOR ME. If Jamie didn't feel that way, that's fine for her. But it looked like (and I emphasized LOOKED LIKE) she wasn't happy about it - perhaps just the editing made it look that way - but she didn't say anything. I don't need to relate it to domestic violence or any other national issue to see it as a person-to-person affront, whether it was a joke or not. I still like Eddie - I chalk up his behavior to the fact that he's only 21. I still have trouble believing that he's only 21 - because for a 21 year old, he sure seems mature to me. He's obviously been through a lot and is very people-smart. More so than even myself, at age 40. So yes, I'm still supporting Eddie and I want him to win. This mistake of his (certainly 10 days from the end this kind of joking around isn't going to win him votes) isn't enough to make me stop supporting him- but if he continues to whistle the way he was tonight... I may reconsider. |
Deni_San | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:18 pm  If I remember correctly, no one went to the RR when Mega was intimidating them, instead they just nominated him and hoped he would go away. Cass did confront him though, and I thought she was right on. I was pointing out that Eddie hasn't respected the women in that house except Cassandra because she demands respect. If clotheslining is indeed a wrestling manuever then it is not quite as bad (I don't like wrestling so I am not familiar with the term -- I was picturing a strangling with rope). Athletic males can do a lot more damage to a woman than they can with another man. There are plenty of males who won't wrestle or rough house with women, fearing they will hurt them by accident. Zappre has it right and said it better than I did and in less words. He keeps people out, but feels it okay to thump on them. Jamie being naive thinks this how she can get accepted. He says these people don't mean anything to him, and then we say what he does is an endearment. Jamie is the only girl there and probably thinks this is what she needs to go through to win. Brittany did complain (not in the rr), but everyone just figure it was Eddie being Eddie, or didn't want to confront him. We all know Brittany is a needy soul, and probably wrote it off as Eddies way to say they are brother and sister. The house rule is NO CONFRONTATION. I am willing to grant that my perception is sensitized by being touched by domestic violence. I just get worried when violence against women even in just jest or play, gets so readily written off, and when I see a pattern of behavior that troubles me. He doesn't "rough house" with the boys. He doesn't go up to Josh and punch him in the shoulder multiple times. He says he will throw a drink at Jordan, hits Brittany, and intimidates Jamie. I hope I am wrong. I want to like Eddie, but he is making it difficult. Yes, he has anger/energy and he even has a right to feel angry, but he should be channeling it in more productive ways. He shouldn't allow his words and actions cloud his goals, message, and his good side. We must tell our children that violence is not a substitute for communication or fodder for humor. It wouldn't hurt teaching about personal boundries and respect either. |
Deeya | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:20 pm  Katie... I am truly sorry for what you went through with your husband... but I have to disagree that Eddie is a potential wife abuser.. He's rowdy... and yes he can be obnoxious... but he is also a tender loving man who obviously cares deeply about the people in his life.. As for what "I" meant about him being real... Eddie has expressed himself honestly to the houseguests... he let's them know where he stands even when it means it is him against them in whatever they are doing at the moment... He is honest with them (yes even with Cass.. because what he said to her was that he was going to "try" not to nominate her... and even with George... he told all of the guests that he was going to start nominating strategically).. Eddie could take the easy way out here... going along with things he disagrees with to keep things positive between him and the other HG... playing for sympathy because of his disability... being Mr Nice Guy... instead.. Eddie has simply been himself.. rowdy, farting, cussing, and loving, and I have to give him credit for that...The real Eddie shines through every time you hear him mention his family.. his friends, his interests and his beliefs.. Just in case you think I am totally biased.. I have to tell you.. I also think that Curtis is as real as Eddie is... and while I am unsure about Josh.. my feeling is he is probably just as real (he's just more confused than the other two). Jaime is the only one I am confused about.. so I prefer to give her the benefit of the doubt... well most of the time anyway... |
Whatever | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:27 pm  Note that Eddie is only physically aggressive with Jamie and Brit. If it was an act of "friendliness", he would also be physically aggressive with Josh and Curtis. Not so. If it was an act of "sexuality", Jamie and Brit would show their enjoyment, respond with consent and encourage the behavior further. Didn't happen. Physical aggression towards weaker females is both cowardly and a sign of hostility and dominance. Neither of which is healthy, neither of which is acceptable. It is the worst behavior of any houseguest within the BB house at any time. |
Franny1 | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:27 pm  Jamie would have earned Eddie's respect and that of the public if she would have just said, "Eddie, maybe you were just kidding, but it really made me mad, and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't talk to me that way." That is not hard to do, but instead she runs away like a whipped puppy and pouts. |
Katie | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:27 pm  My husband could also be really nice and sweet sometimes. He had a side of his that appeared as good as gold. Why on earth would I have gotten involved with him if he hadn't? Why would anyone? That is what is so dangerous about this type of behavior. There is a part of them that can be so very endearing and lovable. It doesn't start out as beating but as words and it escalates. It becomes more and more offensive and then the intimidation begins and the pushing, shoving and hitting. It is insidious. You never suspect what is happening until you are caught. You love them and they tell you they love you and would never hurt you but just few minutes later are. I never suspected anything from my husband until after we were married and alone. |
Donnalea | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:29 pm  It's funny everyone is so upset by this. To me it was simply Eddie trying to "connect" with Jaime. Like the little boy who pulls the girl's pigtails in 3rd grade. Harmless. |
Zappre | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:31 pm  Donnalea: You're right...if this was 3rd grade, it would have been understandable. At 21, you're supposed to know better. |
Franny1 | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:32 pm  Eddie acts this way with females because he is a 21 year old male. My son plays with his girlfriend like this all the time, and he is far from abusive. She realizes that he is like a big bear playing and sometimes, yes, they play too rough, but to call it abusive is absurd. You are reading way too much into this. |
Sparky | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:34 pm  I wish they hadn't shown that segment - it's been established that it was obviously edited to show Eddie in the worst possible light with Jamie getting up and away from him (probably several minutes after the fact). At least CBS showed her hugging Eddie after that segment, indicating she likes him. But I have a feeling that this threat is going to grow and GROW because of perceived violence against women. It was a stupid gesture that meant nothing, even to Jamie. He gets laughs most of the time, sometimes he misses. That's about it. |
Fenixtx | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:34 pm  Well said Deni San, it's impossible for me to ignore or trivialize Eddie's pattern of behavior. |
Sparky | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:36 pm  I meant "But at least this THREAD", not "But at least this threat..." |
Green | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:36 pm  Diablo's Advocado: was Jamie `asking for it'?? and: if Josh nor Curtis failed to call Eddie out for his inappropriate actions, then are they too not complicit with his aggro-sexual-miso-otolaryngologynizing?? are they not?!?! and: if that's the case, that Eddie is a dominating, threatening male predator (just like in arena football), and Josh and Curtis are do-nothing/say-nothing cukolds mushroom-heads, then do they not all deserve to be banished for their (in)actions??? ... and since Jamie is able to elicit these violent as well as passive responses, does that not qualify her to be queen of the universe and all the money and whatnot?? ... just hypotheticallizing here ... |
Zappre | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:37 pm  Freudian, are we Sparky? |
Whatever | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:37 pm  So far in this thread I think Katie and Deni San are the only other posters informed about this topic, and we are all in agreement saying basically the same thing. |
Deeya | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:38 pm  Arrrgh.. I have to go to bed... and I hate to walk off (this is obviously an addiction)... I will simply agree with Donnalea... in my opinion Eddie was simply pulling Jaime's pigtails... look at how he included her in the play last night ... and how well she responded to it... nite folks... it's been fun... |
Zappre | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:38 pm  Green: One person's Devil's Advocate is another's Provocateur. Naughty, naughty. |
Katie | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:39 pm  Whatever I agree with you! That is what others aren't seeing. It is not just playing around since he doesn't do it with Curtis or Josh but only with Jamie. It is so easy to just dismiss it. No one ever suspected what was going with my husband for years. Everyone thought he was just a sweet man. Until I fell down those stairs and couldn't cover for him any more because I was unconscious. |
Franny1 | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:40 pm  If Jaime would portray some real honesty maybe he would know how to connect with her, but she doesn't. Eddie is not Curtis and should not be expected to do things the same way. They grew up in two different worlds. Teasing and swearing is Eddie's way of bonding. The discussions that have referred to him as a abuser are disturbing to me. Not that he is an abuser but that people could try to make you believe that he is with all their psyco babble. Do you people know anything about human nature. First of all real abusers are thought of by the general public as great guys and no one believes they could do anything like that...You know why? because they do it in private, away from the public eye...not on national tv for god's sake....wake up..you are the same people who live next door to an abused woman for years and never know it. |
Sparky | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:40 pm  Zappre - yep, I was aware of a Freudian slip (thread/threat). But it doesn't change my stated opinion that in no way was Eddie genuinely threatening Jamie. |
Zappre | Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 11:42 pm  Franny1: Katie didn't live next door to an abused woman, SHE WAS ONE!!! I'll trust her opinion on the subject, thank you. |
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