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Chris | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 03:23 pm  Jaybear: I have let you have your opinions, I doubt that even God could change your mind. You should do the same for others. Recognize that it is only up to you to ask people to think about something, then leave them alone. Don't constantly badger them. Why does it bother you so that someone hates George??? Zappre: I think you are right, that lashing out at people like that is due to some internal pain. I recently rewatched a movie called "American History X". It is about two brothers, after their father is killed by a black man, the older brother becomes a skinhead white supremisist. He ends up killing two black men, and goes to prison. He finds himself first questioning the sincerity of the other skinheads there, then questioning himself. When he gets out, he finds that his little brother has hooked up with the same WS group, and tries to get him out. He tells him that he realized it was wrong when he saw that none of it ever made his anger go away. Even when he had the ultimate retribution (murder), his anger remained as strong as ever, so he knew that his anger came from somewhere else. It is a great movie, but does have some very disturbing scenes, and a tragic ending. I guarantee you won't feel the same about the movie at the end as you did at the beginning. Zappre: To be honest, what really got me about Britt was that she constantly turned everything into a story about Britt. She insists on being the center of attention. That just got on my nerves (and no, sweetie, I am nothing like that. I seldom even talk in a crowd of people, most people never notice me). But you must also recognize that much of what I say about her is all in fun. I make fun of the way they act in there, but also recognize that they are not being themselves, either. I had considerable dislike for the first 3 banishees, but harbor no ill will towards them now. If the more objectionable posters here would just grow up, I would be more than happy to have good conversations with them. Lord knows I have tried, to no avail. Eddiluver: I did find it very distastefull the way the Britt fans were treated when she left (even though I was certainly not one of her fans). I'm afraid that all this is just lowering my opinion of the human species. It's not that I'm new to this (I was a bbs sysop back in the days of FidoNet, when the internet was just a government email service). There will always be, how shall I put this delicately, SCUMBAGS who desire nothing more than to cause a disruption and put a damper on things. No amount of censoring is going to change that. A certain percentage of the population just cannot participate in society, they are known as sociopaths. They have too much anger, and only come to places like this to spew it out. Like the older brother in that movie, they need to learn more about themselves before they can learn to interact with others. Sorry, I can't believe I'm ranting along like this... |
Yankee | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 03:33 pm  I would not be offended by the term "green virgin" nor other terms either. That is their opinion. Would only be offended if someone called me a green virgin. Some of the "nicknames" posted are comical and unique, gives a smile. |
Yankee | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 03:33 pm  I would not be offended by the term "green virgin" nor other terms either. That is their opinion. Would only be offended if someone called me a green virgin. I don't even mind being called a damn yankee. Some of the "nicknames" posted are comical and unique, gives a smile. |
Chris | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 03:42 pm  Zappre: I also can't agree that we are only offended by see that is also in ourselves. We are also offended by what we see, that we have seen in others in our lives. My great aunt was a horrible backstabbing gossip, who maligned everyone she knew behind their backs, but pretended to be this sweet old lady to their faces. The whole family acted like they saw nothing, and it drove me nuts. She was The Most Evil woman In The World (tm), yet they let her get away with it. When I started to see whispers of her in Karen, it turned my stomach, because of my aunt. Had it not been for her, I probably would not have reacted so to Karen. |
Zappre | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 03:52 pm  Chris: That is entirely my point. It's not about Karen. It's not about your Aunt. It's about you. You used Karen's personality as you perceived it, to arouse a part of yourself that is aroused by a previous experience with your Aunt. Were it not for your Aunt, your experience would have been entirely different, so it's all coming from your own perceptions. Gossiping is hurtful and counterproductive. But its not our jobs to "not let them get away with it". Its not our problem, its theirs. I am not the gatekeeper of justice in the world. I can, however, ensure that I am just. A personal example of justice is much more powerful a statement than criticism of injustice in others. A person who gossips is dealing with their own issues around self-image. Do you realize that you just gossiped about your aunt and Karen? Not criticizing...its human. But its about you, not them. Thanks for talking about this. It's very interesting and i'm learning from you. |
Chris | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 03:57 pm  Zappre: There is a big difference, here. I was NOT gossiping about my aunt, and karen. My aunt KNEW good and well how I felt, because I told her. I did not twist everything she said around 180 degrees like she did. I also didn't twist anything about Karen. Just the facts, ma'am. Or I guess you think all news journalists are just nasty gossips talking about people behind their backs? You make it sound like I should never feel anything, or it is a bad reflection on me. Get real. I feel sorry for someone who can see injustice and NOT feel anything. |
Chris | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 04:01 pm  Zappre: BTW, in that movie, it turned out that the cause of all the older brothers anger was a racist statement that HIS FATHER had made before he died, that had offended the son. |
Yankee | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 04:04 pm  It is my opinion that a type of censorship might be in order. Another might be to have the same pat answer to anyone harrassing, sample: "IMMATURE PEOPLE AND BULLIES DO NOT RESPECT THE OPINIONS OF OTHERS." or "ARE YOU HARRASSING AND TRYING TO INTIMIDATE ME?" or "BULLIES HAVE TUNNEL VISION" (maybe not). You get the idea. Then just continue on with one's posting. |
Yankee | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 04:05 pm  It is my opinion that a type of censorship might be in order. Another might be to have the same pat answer to anyone harrassing, sample: "IMMATURE PEOPLE AND BULLIES DO NOT RESPECT THE OPINIONS OF OTHERS." or "ARE YOU HARRASSING AND TRYING TO INTIMIDATE ME?" or "BULLIES HAVE TUNNEL VISION" (maybe not). You get the idea. Then just continue on with one's posting. I favor the one ADMIN used "IMMATURE PEOPLE DO NOT RESPECT THE OPINIONS OF OTHERS". |
Zappre | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 04:06 pm  The whole point is feeling. The people who judge others most are the ones who suppress their own feelings and project their dissatisfaction outwardly. Feel it, profoundly. Even recount it to others so you can learn from it. But journalists are, at least ideally, supposed to be objective and outside personal feelings about a subject. Your feelings about your Aunt, and by extension, Karen, are entirely personal and subjective...and valid. But they are about you, not them. Of course you twisted your take to reflect your perception of reality. We all do. That's why objectivity is almost impossible...but I for one, hope one day to be capable of it. Then i'll know my opinion is honest and unclouded by my own skewed perspective borne of my own issues. Nuff said. I respect your opinion and I hope you respect mine. I'll leave it at that. |
Zappre | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 04:10 pm  btw, Chris...i've seen the movie a number of times and it's a great statement about dealing with yourself, and not judging and blaming the world for your own pain. Great example. |
Zelda | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 04:19 pm  First, thanks to Ryn & the admin for their selfless hard work. Wow ... you give a gift (the board and your time) only to be stressed over something that was to be a good thing. Which I still think it is but is full of headaches. Chris: I love you!... I think we have been here close to the start and you have made me think, ponder, disagree and laugh. I have always enjoyed your posts. Recently, I have noticed that you have gotten a little of you humor back...yeah. Things got dirty there for a while ... I even stepped in a couple of times for you only to be flamed myself by 'certain' posters. There's having an opinion, sharing it, opening yourself for another view and then there's having an opinion, sharing it and closing the gate. I feel, the posts I have read, you have been fair and open to others. Hi Zappre... enjoy your posts also. I agree that what really bothers us in another person is maybe something to look inward and question. Also, I feel it could be something that we wish we could do or be like in a way but it is too uncomfortable (I hope this makes sense) Eddieluver: I will say you have made me crazy a couple of times with the 'dears' & 'sweeties' but I would miss having you here. Heck, I 've even altered my feelings about Eddie! You have valid points, posts and I enjoy your insights. I know you will be here until Eddie wins! And I hope he does, he has my vote. If you have noticed, I have turned into the Quote Stalker in the Eddie's Quote thread. I am sorry too that there are people who continue to disrupt, try to fix others when they need to use that time for themselves. Of course that is JMO and everyone has a right to their own. I just wish people could do it with respect and humor. Of course I still believe in Cinderella too! I will continue to come to the board and I always look forward to certain posts and posters... Chris and Eddieluver among them. Wow, that was long for me! |
Chris | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 04:25 pm  Zappre: Yes, you are correct. I myself personify ALL of the faults and failings of all the people in the BB House. I and I alone am able to do this. <groan> I think you care getting a little TOO carried away with the concept, Z. It was a nice one, but not the Answer to The Question of Life.
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Chris | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 04:26 pm  Oh, and you can expect me to personally examine each and every one of your posts from here on out, and grill you what it is that you see in yourself that makes you make that statement. |
Zappre | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 04:34 pm  Please do! |
Yankee | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 04:34 pm  ZAPPRE - I'm not inferring that your opinion is not correct, but I would like to point out that our opinions WILL reflect our personal tastes, desires, preferences, hurts, phobias, etc. Otherwise, what's the point of an opinion board in the first place? Are you really understanding what we are discussing here? By your telling Chris (only for example) that his opinion reflected himself in talking about his aunt and Karen, you are crititiquing his opinion. What is your right to do that? Are you superior? Is he inferior? Did he infer that he doesn't know what he is talking about and needs your help? That type of thing is exactly what we are discussing here. Is YOUR opinion of his opinion supposed to insinuate that his opinion is not as superior as yours? Why do you bother yourself about anyone elses' motives or reasons for an opinion? That is my point, a lot of excess and unnecessary type of "flaming" is a diversion from the real topic - THE BB HOUSE. Why I chose to approach you on this subject is part of me and my problem, and I don't have to explain it to you to validate it. And your trying to analyze why I said is another example of what is going on on the threads that we are complaining about at this very moment. Why do you feel it necessary to dissect one's opinion? Is it a way of feeling superior or attempting to dominate the conversation or harrass or flame? I hope you don't take offense b/c you have posted some very interesting and informative opinions I very much admire and would hope to converse in the future. jmo |
Yankee | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 04:40 pm  I apologize for the double posts. I have failed to click on the correct button (more than once). Sorry. |
Zappre | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 04:47 pm  Yankee, god only knows i'm not superior to anyone...not close. I'm trying to share my observations of others through the prizm of MY experience, without judgment as to their goodness or value. Disagreement is not criticism. My understanding of flaming is that it is negative, incessant insulting of others, which I do not believe I have done. If you have taken it that way, i'm sorry. My exchange with Chris has been illuminating and enjoyable and i don't think either of us has taken offense to the others' opinion. In fact, i think we've learned from each other, which would be the opposite of flaming. I only hope that some day, Jaybear will reach a point where he can join the conversation because I believe through the hate, he has something valuable to offer as well. Criticism implies disapproval, which I do not have for Chris, or you for that matter. Sharing of observations about each other without judgment helps us learn about ourselves. To come full circle, every comment I have made on this board applies equally to me as it does to others, so superiority would be impossible. Thanks for your comment. |
Chris | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 05:02 pm  Zelda: Thank you, I've enjoyed your posts very much too. We all have a lot to learn from each other. I almost walked away from this board when it got so ugly, but have stuck it out. I probably won't get so involved, as too many people just can't handle my having an opinion. I'll be more of an "observer", and try and lighten things up when I can. People just take themselves so seriously. I know myself too well to reall do that There is only a month left, there is light at the end of the tunnel! |
Yankee | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 05:15 pm  ZAPPRE - Thank you for your consideration. I find it interesting to read a post, negative or positive, and wonder (only to myself) where it is coming from within the poster's psyche. I do the same thing with tv programs. It makes it more interesting for me. To air it distracts from the purpose of this board, THE BB HOUSE AND ITS GUESTS. But that might be my problem, not anyone elses, and I alone will deal with it. Looking forward to having some fun on the threads reading opinions. jmo |
Eddieluver | Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 09:25 pm  Chris: Thanks and I feel the same way about what you are talking about. I know this in my head that people aren't all there that are that cruel but sometimes I fight and fight until I can't anymore. I know I shouldn't but I guess that's just me and I wouldn't want to change that quality for anything in the world! Zelda: Thank you for that post and this wasn't in any shape/fashion directed towards you. I was upset that night and people were slamming on me so I slammed back because I was so tired and upset that I didn't think before doing it. Then an all out war began and these people were going to go and tell on me for calling them names. IF these people had enough sense to stay away from me when I was upset I wouldn't have done a thing. I am a "dear" and "sweetie" person in real life too! *laughs* Oh, and don't forget the hun! It's just I see people who are so blind on hating someone that they can't see past that. I saw sooooooooooooo many George posts about hating George that I stayed off this board for most of that week until Britt left. I was sad and I don't know why. I just needed to talk and most were wonderful but those few that weren't made me so angry and I don't know why. Perhaps, it's because I couldn't believe how heartless some of these people can be on here. Sometimes, I KNOW I can be very sarcastic but I don't personally call someone names. That's just not my style. I believe in using intelligence to get my point across. I was just very pissed off by the end of that night and I couldn't stop myself from posting until my fiance came out and said go to bed! *sighs* I am a VERY passionate person in real life and I guess that came across completely that night but I wouldn't have done anything had I just been able to state how I was feeling. Don't worry I'm not going anywhere too soon. I have laid back on being here because school has started and it's just not something that I run to first thing in the morning any more. I used to get up and check the life feeds but since Britt left it's just not that important to me anymore. Eddie is the one I've rooted for since the beginning. I also adore Brittany and her and Eddie were just so cute together. I think they would have had something and who knows? They enjoy each other's company. I LOVE that Curtis too. When I saw him show all that emotion over Britt leaving he was put so high on my list it's unimagineable. I would like to see him win or Cass if Eduardo doesn't at this point. You know what bugs me is that I REALLY liked Geo too. I was so wrong about him and right now I am so upset about his actions that I try NOT to go there. I like your posts too! I'm not some snobby, know-it-all person as I guess some would tend to think on here. I do agree with others opinions sometimes or if I don't I let the post be, but I NEVER change mine no matter what. Whatever I say I stand firmly on and that never sways whether on this board or in real life. I'm glad you're on board for Eddie! So many have jumped the Eddie Bandwagon that it just makes me grin from ear to ear. |
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