Mega was the only REAL houseguest

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Roxytrixster

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 08:50 am Click here to edit this post

ever since will left, the show has been so bad. i say we all boycott thte llast night because will was kiked out. i think cbs was just jealous of mega's orignality. vote mega!
-roxy!

Adven39

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:19 am Click here to edit this post

If being confrontational, disruptive, self-centred and arrogant define someone as being "real", then Mega was about as real as it gets. As for CBS, I doubt they were jealous of his originality. They put him IN the house. It was the HGs and the voting public who kicked him out.

Stillme

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:28 am Click here to edit this post

Whenever CBS talks about future casting, they mention that they want more houseguest like William.

I stopped watching the live feeds after he left because I was waiting for something interesting to happen. With William, you knew his feed would be interesting. William and Jordan during the second week was great stuff.

Anyway, Brittany was far more self-centered and arrogant than William could ever hope to be.

Gubblebum

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:44 am Click here to edit this post

what was so interesting about will...what were his discussions about, his points of view, his focus...all i saw were arguements, nastiness and not much more...he liked to pick fights, if that's interesting, watch pro wrestling

Dortega

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:51 am Click here to edit this post

exactly, whats with all these posters who long for people like mega? people who like to pick fights and all...

Adven39

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:52 am Click here to edit this post

Stillme, I can understand why CBS would want people like Mega - they disrupt and create controversy which makes for interesting tv which increases ratings. I wish he was still there, too. Unfortunately, the qualites that make him an interesting HG are the same qualities that make him a dislikable person. Maybe if he had stuck around longer we would have gotten a more positive sense of him ... but I doubt it.

Ken

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:52 am Click here to edit this post

Roxy... Can we say "conspiracy theory?"

You assert that Will was kicked out because the corporation called CBS was jealous of his originality? Hmmm...that would be like NBC firing Seinfeld because it was jealous of his sense of humor...doesn't make much sense even apart from the absurd assignment of emotions to a non-human, non-living entity.

I'm curious, though, at what point during the show did CBS reach this decision? And then how did they manipulate the HG's into nominating Will? And then how did they manipulate viewers into banishing Will? Do you honestly believe that absent manipulation, viewers would have banished Jordan over Will in the first round?

Honestly, the nuts who find racism and sexism in every word and deed on BB make more sense that you.

Gout

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:54 am Click here to edit this post

Mathemeticians are STILL attempting to unravel the various circles (and their related elipses) that that moron Will talked in.

He rendered obsolete ANY argument or conversation that might have had any value or message - circus poodles would get dizzy trying to follow the circles he spoke in.

That alone isn't a crime - he's young and obviously passionate (and consequently, impressionable); the fact that he is more simpleminded than he'd like to think, and that he is too pig-headed to realize it, is his true downfall.

Whenever called out on something that JUST WASN'T TRUE or was SO COMPLETELY OBVIOUSLY against what he said/thought, his stock response was something along the lines of how we just aren't lucky enough to see the world from his persepctive, that there are GREAT and SECRET things in his mind that we just *cannot* understand or deal with (yet, his actions ALWAYS contradicted any claim to this *greatness*).

It seems he's all piss and vinegar, without an objective or reasonable bone in his body.

Jombie

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:55 am Click here to edit this post

He was real alright...a REAL jerk...

His only agenda was to stir it up...he had no intention of joining in with the others or participating in the program...and his attempts to mask his failures with expressions of glee when he was either marked for banishment or banished were pitiful...just like his excitement when he threw the challenge...yes, he was real, a REAL loser...

Unfortunately, there are lots of Wills out there...people who have nothing better to do than to F with you... just like BB...perhaps??

Femmef8l

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:06 am Click here to edit this post

Leave Mega alone. He is a nice guy. Admin, aren't you gonna stop all this bashing? Or, is Mega bashing permitted?

Ryn

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:12 am Click here to edit this post

Mark my words, CBS will try to spice things up next time around. We will have a few fist fights and maybe even more nudity!!!!

Can't wait until the 1st time that security has to rush into the house and pull apart 2 House Guests!!

Now THAT will be TV worth watching. And CBS will be panned by the critics, and parents will be complaiing that it should not be on before 10pm, if at all.

And the next group will ALL be going in thinking of the 'storylines'

I am looking forward to BB the next time it rolls around (I mean the next US one), but I fear I will be dissapointed.

The more 'interesting' (read confrontational, hostile) environment in the house will simply result in even more hostility & confrontation on the boards.

Look at them now - the 3 guys are laughing and joking and getting along and there are still people fighting here.

Maryw1

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:15 am Click here to edit this post

Of course Mega bashing is permitted! Just don't talk about race.....it make some people nervous.

That first week when Mega gave his run down of everyone in the house......boy was he right.

Ryn

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:20 am Click here to edit this post

btw - there was A LOT of sarcasm in the previous post..... I forget that does not translate well in text.

Adven39

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:26 am Click here to edit this post

Maryw1, and the public gave their run down of him - they booted him out.

Jombie

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:43 am Click here to edit this post

Gout: I was posting at the same time...VERY well put...

It is strange to me that pointing out Mega's weaknesses is continually considered 'bashing'...

Constructive criticism is all it really amounts to...

Ryn: We should be so lucky!!!

Gout

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 11:07 am Click here to edit this post

Thanks, Jombie - the Constructive Criticism point is important, especially in this case; I agree with Cassandra's analysis of Will that he has lots of power and ability, but gets too involved with the dumb/useless stuff. What he lacks in *real* intelligence, he more than makes up for in charisma and the ability to bend peoples' ears.

He is SUCH an obvious candidate for the "I Don't Have a Single Original Thought in My Head, But I can Sure as Hell Charismatically Speak at Length About Anything I'm Passionate About and Have Read lots of Books/Articles On" Award . . . (we all know people like this in college and at the workplace)

Jombie

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 11:35 am Click here to edit this post

And not even with that much charisma, because even from the beginning - although he was all dressed up in a suit and appeared well-mannered and charming...the moment he opened his mouth - he was rendered an idiot...

Reading, while helping to educate people does not and can not make someone intelligent...it can only make them educated about the particular subject that the book/article was about...

Will was actually powerless, as was vividly illustrated by his immediate banishment...

Punkgrrl

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 11:48 am Click here to edit this post

The funniest thing about Mega was when he talked about his great "plan" - he was a general with secret strategy. Well, if his master plan was to be booted early, get no money and drop from the viewing public's consciousness, he succeeded!

Jade888

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 12:03 pm Click here to edit this post

Mega had his mission for the house to make the HG think about issues that I guess the other HG and the American audience just is not ready to handle. I may not agree with all of Mega's opinions and how he expressed his opinions but...he did have very important things to say.

As a former activist he was trying to get them to think and bring his concerns for a public forum.

Jake

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 12:37 pm Click here to edit this post

STILLME -

I don't think that's true. The Official BB page had an interview with the head guy for BB (or maybe it was the head story writer - I can't remember the guy's name) who stated (paraphrasing) "We don't want to pack the house with everyone being like Mega and Jordan. Then, you'd have everyone singing the same tune. (in other words, it would get monotonous and I think he mentioned something about it being too volatile too) He also said they were quite happy with the mix they chose. As some left, others surfaced. Again, paraphrasing.

So... I don't think CBS is all that sorry about who they selected. I kinda liked the layers too, although a little more "movement" in the moods might be a bit more interesting.

Gout

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 01:05 pm Click here to edit this post

Jade - When *you* say that, it makes sense; however, Will's delivery of sentiments and ideas that people "need" to think about was sketchy at best and downright agitating/useless at worst.

The good news: Will can continue to be an activist, in his new home: UTTER OBSCURITY - Population: HIMSELF.

Jade888

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 01:16 pm Click here to edit this post

LOL Gout:

I just think that Will has his way of dealing with his point of view and he scared the crap out of me with his "in your face approach".

SCARY!

Gout

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 01:32 pm Click here to edit this post

I agree - as I mentioned a few entries above: his style completely ruined any message he might have been trying to make.

People will react favorably to what you are saying if you understand the psychology involved; since it's TWO people talking, the speaker has to take the listener's feelings/ideas/style into consideration. Will might have made his point VERY easily to the willing ear/impressionable mind of Brittney, for example, if he had simply modified his approach.

But if you attack a girl like Brittney (like it was TOO easy for him to do), you're gonna have an uphill battle (and one that may include tears and anger). He took the easy way out, and didn't consider his audience. It might have been just too tempting for him to bring the silly-haired Mid-West white chick to hysterics.

A successful Will Mega will learn to temper other peoples' style/ideas/ways of communicating with his own style - people will at least listen then, instead of becoming immediately defensive to his arrogant, selfish and ultimately hateful demeanor.

Of course, his way of doing things is probably all part of His Master Plan, and I "just don't get it." ;)

Lafatme

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 06:24 pm Click here to edit this post

mega was ALL BS, all bs. nothing more, ever. he talked in circles, claimed everyone misunderstood what he said, and flat-out lied when the other approaches didn't work.

an example? after throwing the challenge he said it was a competition and he just wanted to make it uncomfortable to increase the competition. then he said it was because the others made too much noise the night before and kept him up. finally he said "you don't know if i blew it on purpose, don't assume i did?"

he tried to SOUND intelligent, with issues of importance to discuss, and i guess he fooled some of you into believing it.

but gout has said it much more eloquently than i. read his posts. (or her)

Stillme

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:46 pm Click here to edit this post

Gout, you must have missed the candlelight conversation between William and Brittany. They talked about the same stuff that they talked about in the "big fight" and Brittany carried on a polite conversation with William and they spoke on the same level. It was a very nice moment.

The next day William and Cassandra were having a private conservation about the pressures of being the only black people on the show. Karen and Jamie came in and listened to what they were saying. Brittany came in and instantly tried to make the conversation all about her. Note that William and Cassandra, then Karen and Jamie had been talking for about 40 minutes before Brittany arrived.

Brittany came in and started talking about "her friend" and the same things her and William had been talking about the night before, but she started yelling and screaming at him. William just didn't handle it well. After having a coherent conversation for 40 minutes, its hard to adjust to a screaming, yelling, immature little girl. After being a big Brittany fan, that's when I finally saw how she sucked the life out of the house and made everything about her.

There was little William could do to not look intimidating to her. He is a large black man with a deep voice and ideas. She is a small white female who is very naive and "innocent." (Personally, I don't feel anyone who has given that much oral sex is innocent).

I am very similar to William in that respect and I have to go out of my way to make white people feel comfortable around me. You have to smile a lot and be very inviting and open. I can't have a frown on my face or people will be intimidated.

It's tough enough being recognized as a simply a student on a college campus. You wouldn't believe how many times I've been asked which sport I play. Of course, that probably doesn't mean much to any of you since it's the experience of a black man.

Gout

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 08:44 am Click here to edit this post

Hi, Still -

These experiences *can* make sense to us - but you are right: ultimately we can only imagine what that is like.

I'm actually glad you spoke up in this, because I haven't seen your position represented in many Will discussions (admittedly, I haven't read them all, tho).

While I personally don't blame Will's demeanor on his color and his ethnicity, I also realize that it isn't right to *not* see him as a Black Man. Because to not see that would be a great disservice to the things he does think and feel. I try to be sensitive to that, and not fall into White Guilt traps like saying "I treat everyone the same, regardless of skin color!" That's a well-meaning sentiment, but it's damaging because Will *is* Black - it may not be entirely who/what he is, but it is an important part. It's been crucial in his development as a person, and the way he must act in White America.

I agree almost 100% with your post (and I WISH I could have seen the mellow Mega conversations). Your - and Will's! - opinions and experiences are just as Important as anyone else's. Don't give up on Whitey just yet! ;)