Mentality of the American Population.............................

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Really

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:43 pm Click here to edit this post

My question was asked in sarcasm, since your point of view seemed young and inexperienced. Besides, you didn't answer the question and everybody pays taxes...who cares whether you pay 60% or 40% - what does that have to do with your narrow point of view?

I am 36 years old and am proud to say I am a stay at home mom raising my wonderful child, before that I owned my own business and have also worked at enough places and had enough experiences to know that your point of view you expressed seems to be rather narrow, at least the one stated above.

Ocean_Islands

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:48 pm Click here to edit this post

Whatever, your many excellent points are consistently undercut by analyzing other posters
-- it's a disappointment.

Jade888

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:56 pm Click here to edit this post

Ocean...

There is nothing to be disapointed with this is how some feel.

Some of us are realistic and more well read and traveled and again we will be criticized for that...sorrry!!!!

I am just trying to get people to think about the word "DESERVE". No one deserves nothing...you have to work for what you want and make a commitment in life for your own dreams. Some of us still believe that you can have those dreams and be whatever your karma/destiny has ahead for you.

PS: I was a stay at home Mom also..congratulations as in this day and age it is far and few between.

Deeya

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:58 pm Click here to edit this post

As has already been said on here... the object of the GAME was to survive banishment and to win the vote of the American public... call it popularity or whatever. Whoever does that deserves to win.

The public is going to come up with their own reasons for voting as they do... it may not be my reasons.. it may not be yours... but everyone has the right to decide for themselves... both who they want to win.. and why they want them to win. It doesn't make them any more right or wrong than anyone else.... it simply is....

We might as well argue about which is better... vanilla, chocolate, or strawberrry.

(Btw Canadians... depending on how the title was meant here, maybe your mentality isn't in question.. just those of us who live in the U.S.) :)

Mbliving

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:59 pm Click here to edit this post

I was just asking a question. No need to fly off the handle. I think I'll head over to the folder or crusher thread, I could use a laugh after this thread.

Jade888

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 09:01 pm Click here to edit this post

Yes...it was directed to the yanks...

Lucyricardo

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 09:03 pm Click here to edit this post

Just got here a little while ago and this is the first thread I've read. Now, what does any of this have to do with BB?

Really

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 09:21 pm Click here to edit this post

Jade, I guess my problem with voting on who 'deserves' to win is so much more a judgment call.
Eddie is 21 and going to college, Josh went to college (more, I don't know).

Just because Eddie didn't do alot of 'chores' in the house, I do not label him lazy. In his bio it says he likes to fix things and garden, he teaches kids about dealing with a life threatening illness as cancer, he is active on a basketball team. Just because for 3 months he was in this locked up communal place...there really wasn't a h*ll of alot to do. There can only be so many cooks in the kitchen. When Karen was there she didn't want anyone else in the kitchen, later other people took on the roles they chose. Not doing housework doesn't mean somebody is lazy, it might just be that it is not a priority on their list...

I mean how much hard work could they have done in that place???? I think everybody picks at bones here.

Everybody makes it sound as though Curtis was the only one of the 3 to pursue an education, I believe Eddie isn't finished with his yet.

Thank you about the congrats on being a stay at home mom - I do strongly believe in it, I was expecting you to dis me, so thanks for not doing that....I did think about how my 'job' is pricelss, no amount of money could pay me to do anything else during this time. I have done my share of traveling in the US, Europe and a trip to Mexico...I lived in Germany for a little over a year. My husband discusses with me the differences in European government systems and we compare to what I know about the American system and your mention above just sounded inexperienced the way it came across.

I understand you trying to defend Curtis, but just because some of us have compassion for Eddie and think that Curtis has tremendous opportunities for success in the future does not mean we are advocating a welfare system. Even though that may have its place.

This is a game and I choose to place my votes with the one my heart says to go with. Its not Curtis as first even though he is likeable and ambitious. I also find Eddie likeable and ambitious. Sooo why don't all of us Curtis and Eddie lovers just agree to disagree that we want our fave in 1st.

Max

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 09:47 pm Click here to edit this post

Jade,
I respect your opinions, you've had some good things to say on the boards. However, please don't sully that respect by saying that people who don't want Curtis to be the top winner are morons. That's pretty much the sum total of what I gather from reading your comments in this thread.

I like Curtis. I also like Josh and Eddie. They are ALL winners in this game and each of them deserve to win. I have my preference on who I'd like to see be the last one out of the house, but that doesn't mean either of the other two are less deserving.

Somehow, your thoughts on all this have moved on to a class discussion, debate on Canadian vs. U.S. health-care systems, and the merits of working for a living.

Let's put a little perspective on that last item in regards to the final three:

  1. Curtis is the oldest. He's out of school with a degree, has passed the bar (evidently in 2 states), and has a Federal Prosecutor's job awaiting him in LA. He's a good guy, "clean-living", well educated, and has a bright future ahead of him in law if he chooses to pursue it (he's mentioned that he might like to try something else at least for a while).
  2. Josh is next in line, age-wise. He's still pursuing his education in civil engineering (I think that's the right discipline). He's made his own way, working, getting student loans, and keeping expenses low by living with his relatives. He's clearly working hard to pursue "the American Dream" but hasn't had enough time to fully realize that dream yet.
  3. Eddie is only 21. In those few short years, he's been through things that many folks my age (44) haven't had to deal with. Through it all, he's worked hard to lead a "normal" life. He's on scholarship to a good school. He's an accomplished athlete. He's a great role model for kids who battle cancer in terms of showing them they can do a lot with their lives no matter what they've lost. He is doing more to pursue the "American dream" than many folks his age who do not have a disability.
I fail to see how any of these guys feel that anyone owes them a living. All of them are working hard to get ahead. Auditioning for this game and getting this far are just icing on the cake for them. If BB had never come along, each of these guys would have continued making their own way in life and I don't think a single one of them would have expected you, the government, or anyone else to take care of them.

So, can we please stop ragging on the government, Bill Gates vs. the United States, U.S. vs. Canadian health care, and all the other various social ills of our time and saying that this show and these contestants are in any way a reflection of them?

I know you have sons in the same age range as these guys and they sound like exemplary fellows. I never expect, however, that all good people act in the same way. If they did, life would be pretty boring.

Indeed, if I were judged by some of the standards used on these boards towards the HGs, I'd come out looking pretty bad. I make a great living in my profession, am very involved in my church, and am actually looked up to as an advisor by some people (although that last bit sometimes amazes me!). But I do drink occasionally, sometimes cuss, and even tell off-color jokes sometimes (although I'm careful about who is listening!).

Does that mean I'm a terrible person by your standards? Am I seeking a handout? Am I representative of the decay of American society? I don't think so, but you might disagree. That's cool.

Sorry for the rant. It's just that I read this whole thread in one sitting and it kinda got me going. :)

Peace.

Snogrl

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 09:50 pm Click here to edit this post

I'm not reading any of the previous posts. Just responding to the topic.

How f****ing condescending!

Deeya

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 09:59 pm Click here to edit this post

Max.. terrific unbiased summary on the wonderful qualities of all three of the guys left in the house..

Really

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:04 pm Click here to edit this post

Ditto that here too Max, excellent summarieson the guys!

Whatever

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:10 pm Click here to edit this post

Ocean Islands: Thanks, I appreciate your comment.

Whatever

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:24 pm Click here to edit this post

Jade888:

Some of us are realistic and more well read and traveled and again we will be criticized for that.

Unfortunately, your shallowness prevents you from realizing that others find such things irrelevant to their assessment of the quality of your thoughts or ideas, while your egocentrism causes you to believe others find those things as important as you do.

Rachel

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:31 pm Click here to edit this post

Max,

Excellent post. I'm thinking of doing a write-in vote for you!

Rachel

Rachel

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:33 pm Click here to edit this post

Max,

Excellent post. I'm thinking of doing a write-in vote for you!

Rachel

Rachel

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:35 pm Click here to edit this post

Well, that makes TWO votes. Sorry for the double post.

Watweety

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:56 pm Click here to edit this post

Jade888

I have a real problem with what you said in your orginal post about

"We’ll wave to you while in the line standing to pick up your government food allotments and we will see you in the Government run hospitals...for me, I'll make it on my own, thanks! "


The only Government Run hospitals are the VA hospitals and I would like to remind you the only reason you can "make it on your own" is because the Veterans that are in those "government run" hospitals fought for YOUR freedom.... How stupid of them???? I for one find your statement annoying and quite ignorant. I use to find your post thought provoking now I only find you uneducated and ignorant.

And Yes, I have had a parent die in a VA Hospital, and I am still proud of him fighting for our freedom.

Kearie

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 12:19 am Click here to edit this post

Jade:

There are some things we all do DESERVE!

respect--simply for being human

Health care--without worry of losing our homes

equality-requardless of gender, race, religion etc.

Equal pay for equal work

Clean air and water

Dignity in death and illness


Jade, how can you be active in the rights of the mentally ill and developmentally disabled and still say WORK is all that is deserving? Those people you choose to support often NEED handouts from social security and welfare to survive. Are you saying these individual's are less deserving because they can't work hard and make their own living?

I hope you don't support refusing these individuals gov't support, but it sounds like you might be saying that. If your not, where do YOU draw the line? It is obvious our government values these people enough to support them.

Lafatme

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 01:50 am Click here to edit this post

i'm sorry but not only is jade politically ignorant, she's fiscally ignorant.

skw, jade is paying 60% in taxes! as a cpa can you help her? i doubt if her hero, bill gates, pays that much.

jade, don't you dare tell me that social security is welfare! every working american pays into it and has a right to receive it upon retiring. it's not money from the government, IT'S OUR MONEY!

this is not the place for politics, it's a game! why don't you take your political rants to a rush limbaugh board, or something, and stay on topic here at the FAN club?

Rpupkin

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 02:11 am Click here to edit this post

Whatever:
"Is egocentrism a common Asian-American trait?

I perceive egocentrism in many of your self-centered views and posts, and occasionally in Curtis' condescending remarks."

Gee, that's all it takes? Two individuals and it becomes a stereotype?