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Rufusgriswold

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:12 pm Click here to edit this post

Moderator -- a dozen roses to you. :)

Kahlua

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:14 pm Click here to edit this post

Moderator - did you really banish heavensgate, or was he just beamed up to his spaceship? :)

Rwsbetter

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:17 pm Click here to edit this post

I'm not a Jamie fan, but I respect the tenor of this thread, I approve of the banishment of the negative post (didn't get a chance to read it) and do feel that Jamie has gotten an undue bad rap on the board. As with all the other houseguests, I wish her the best of luck in the future.

Scbookworm

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:21 pm Click here to edit this post

I have never been able to understand the Jamie haters. What is wrong with THEM??? Jamie is, at worst, innocuous. I think she tries very hard to be a decent, loving person. So she tries to look good. So what? I'll bet if the "haters" were on TV 24/7 they might also concern themselves with appearance. It is also likely that Jamie has been trained to think this way. Her looks have likely been a focus for those around her all her life. Now she may fear that is all she has to offer. Give the girl time. She is very young and has much potential. I like her!

Txgirl

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:23 pm Click here to edit this post

I hope jamie makes it to the finale 3 and i have stated that even in the anti-jamie threads... I hope her friends and family keep her from seeing this site because there are way to many hate threads about her and I don't think its right to hurt a person that way.. I say go jamie and i wish you the best of luck in everything you want to accomplish...Remember you have many fans..

Notbored

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:25 pm Click here to edit this post

I have always liked Jamie and I can only hope that she can make it into the final three. She is a very sweet girl. I hope she gets a chance in Hollywood if that is what she really wants. I'm sure she will be fantastic at whatever field she chooses to go into.

Marlo

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:29 pm Click here to edit this post

I have come to like Jamie in the last 2 weeks, especially the way she has handled herself, being the only women left. I hope she will make the final 3 and surely she worked a lot harder for it then Josh. So I am going to vote out Josh. I want Curtis to be in the final 3 because he stuck by Jamie, and Eddie only because I think more then any of them, he needs the money.

Kady99

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:49 pm Click here to edit this post

I am not a Jamie fan but I'm not a hater either. I have never posted bad things about her. She just seemed to open up alot more after Cass left. I wish we could have seen more of that. (That is what I meant by next Wed. BTW.- I think the haters will vote her out.)At first she was so quiet and then she finally opened up. She is sweet and I know she will be hurt by alot of the things that has been said about her. I hope she stays busy when she gets out so she won't immediatly read the bad stuff. That way her friends and family can prepare her for it. I bet when we see her on interviews she will show style and class.

Kay

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:57 pm Click here to edit this post

Yeah I went away for awhile and now there are 30 some threads. Koka I initially thought like you that she would have a better chance having the spotlight to herself for 2 days. But its going to be hard to try and make it as an actor out there and she sure will need some $$$. But my cynical little mind thinks the best plan is for her to hook up with Curtis when they leave... because I feel for sure he will get the $500 000 and he's a lawyer !..so if the professional acting career falls flat...she has the money to be a patron/supporter of the Arts in some other way.

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:01 pm Click here to edit this post

I too am not a Jamie rooter, although have said along she played since day one. Without regard to the value of the reasons to nominate, she has stuck by Curtis consistenly, and I find that issue alone a positive when anyone does so.

She has made it clear (at least to some) that she is interested in a career in "the business". Nothing wrong with that. I think things get to her easier than they do for Curtis or Eddie. While it may be a weakness for the BB game (in how it affects her), there is certainly nothing wrong with that trait for any person.

I've been bothered that some folks are not say anything nice about the HGs they are rooting against, so I better be able to come up with something positive about each (and have given it consideration since a couple of months ago). I don't think any of these people are bad, evil, wahter you want to call it. Each has good qualities, and Jamie has more than her fair share.

Stlphntm

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:02 pm Click here to edit this post

I like Jamie and really hope she is able to keep her spirits up when she learns of all this negativity towards her. The reasons I see people giving for disliking her, I just can't see how they came to those conclusions. She is very aware of her image (so was Cass), and yes I'll give that she's vain. But if I was on TV, I'd be trying to look my best as well. The 2-faced remark is way overboard to me, and I am really tired of it. The only instance I can remember was w/Karen, and Jamie just didn't reveal to Karen that she voted for her(as they had all agreed to do), but she was very concerned about Karen's feelings, and tried to comfort her. I would have nominated Karen, and then comforted her as well. I think Jamie has a geat heart, and is truly concerned about the others. I hope she makes it to the three (I doubt it), and I wish her the best.

Rufusgriswold

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:15 pm Click here to edit this post

I'm going off to bed soon, but I wanted to thank you all for cheering me up a bit tonight. I have made no secret of the fact that I object to Eddie's social skills, but I would not be the least upset if he makes it to the final three, although I clearly believe that Curtis deserves the $500,000. Jamie has not been my favorite HG, but I think she has been the most enterprising in playing the game and deserves at the very least to be admired for that. She had proven herself to be a kind person and a caring friend; had she voted against Curtis tonight it would have been a strategically sound move but a bad personal choice. Clearly the experience was the most important thing for her and I hope she looks on it as a positive one.

I honestly don't think she's going to make it into the final three, but she has earned my respect in the last few days and I join many (if not most) of you in wishing her great happiness and success in the future.

I hope this thread can hold on through the night and look forward to revisiting it in the morning. Thanks again. :)

Renee

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:45 pm Click here to edit this post

Rufusgriwold,
I've seen a lot of your posts tonight and have come to have a great deal of respect for You. I hope you are feeling better. :)

As far as Jamie, she was Not one of my favorites for most of the time. Until Cass left, after that my opinion of her has changed. She was very kind to George when he was acting a *little* strange. ;) I thought that was wonderful, she didn't have to do it and the others were laughing at him even if not unkindly.

Since he left, I thought that she has shown great poise in dealing with being alone in the house with 3 young men. She has shown more emotion and yet maintained consistent boundaries, not easy to do in that situation and being and among people of that age range.

The attitudes towards her really disturb me, particularly being the mother of a teen daughter...I confess that some of the reason that I've come to like her more is also in response to what I've seen as completely unreasonable hatred towards her. It frightens me in a sense. I know that sounds overly dramatic, but it's true. People are so harsh towards such a young woman who I don't even see so much as vain as selfconscious.

I also, along with some others, feel concern about her seeing some (most) of the things written about her on here as well as other BBs. I didn't see the neg one on here, and I'm glad that I didn't. Thank You moderator! I'm glad too, that this thread was started. Maybe her friends will steer her towards this and away from the others.

My husband watched the show tonight for one of the first times and immediately commented on how well "she was handling being alone with all those guys." It was nice to get a fresh response after weeks of reading this. No wonder I love that guy!!

Rufusgriswold

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:46 pm Click here to edit this post

I came back and had to post one more thought. Curtis, Josh and Jamie are sitting in the living room chatting about pleasant memories over the last three months while Eddie sleeps in the cave. It is a sweet, warm, gentle conversation filled with good will and friendship. And the thing that stands out the most is that I haven't heard a single f*ck, sh*t, b*tch or slacker in more than an hour. Just an observation.

Wendy

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 12:32 am Click here to edit this post

I have a question...and I am not being sarcastic...

Does anyone know what brand of make-up Jamie wears? Is she loyal to one in particular?

She hasn't talked a lot up make-up (that I heard).

Lightning

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 01:02 am Click here to edit this post

I like Jamie and now would love to see her make the final three (over Josh). I hope she heeds Cass' advice to ignore the detractors when she does leave that house.

I wish her much happiness and success in whatever she decides to pursue in life!

Alpine

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 01:04 am Click here to edit this post

I would like to see her in the final 3. So far I have not found anything about her that is so repulsive, or anything close to being egregious, given the general tone of the posts.

Gottaluvit

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 06:59 am Click here to edit this post

go jamie

you were a winner in life before you ever stepped into the house.

Puttergirl

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 07:45 am Click here to edit this post

Please, anyone, what did Heavensgate say? There were so many responses to him, but his message was deleted. Its like dangling a carrot in front of me that I can't get to- I'm so curious now!

Ohjohnny

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 07:50 am Click here to edit this post

I was never a real Jamie supporter until the last few weeks, but I think she has handled herself well in the house as the only woman and continues to do so. Though it's obvioulsy an unpopular opinion, I do think that the venom directed at the women in the house has been much worse over the course of this show than it has been for the men. And I find that really depressing.

Thank you rufusgriswold and the moderator for creating a protected corner-- it's refreshing and helps restore my faith that not everyone is an over-the-top hater of Jamie. That the supporters need protection, though, only increases my respect for Jamie because I see to what extent every move of hers is scrutinized-- and how she must protect herself and watch her actions in the house. But, of course, I forget, that for a lot of people that's a reason to hate her too.

I do think she'll be banished Wednesday but I agree that that's the best possible outcome for her and for what she wants out of BB. She will get more attention than the other three because we have seen that the media exposure is pretty much limited to CBS outlets-- and the three top finishers will most likely have to divide the same amount of air time on Friday that Jamie gets on Wednesday and Thursday. By next week the new tv season starts (especially on CBS) and news/entertainment shows will be covering other things.

Lastly, I agree with the poster who pointed out that Jamie will definitely get *something* out of this-- especially if Karen has landed a soap.

Good luck Jamie!

Koka

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 07:54 am Click here to edit this post

Jamie will obviously be the one to be banished on Wednesday, so let's take the most positive spin for her that is possible. She will have two days up on the three guys to be out and about in Hollywood. She will have the Wednesday show focusing on her, while the Friday show will focus on three people plus the reunion of the other seven. She'll get alot more publicity going out as fourth place than she would going out third place.
Also on a positive side, isn't it nice to be able to vote on the polls for whomever you want, and not worry about someone trying and voting off the most popular? Jamie's family is not organizing to vote off Eddie, Eddie's family is not organizing to vote off Josh. When George was booted out of the house the game because open and above board again.

Rufusgriswold

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 08:08 am Click here to edit this post

It seems that I have been "hoisted on my own petard," as it were. My comment on the "Post your favorite Eddie moments" was censored for alleged flaming because I mentioned Eddie p*ssing in front of the others as my favorite moment.

Well, I have added my reaction to that censorship on that thread, but the jist of it is that it is possible to have a negative activity be a memorable moment and STILL like someone. Almost all of Jamie's most memorable moments have been negative -- her stopping to put on lip gloss when the All Dance was called, her choosing Tony Sepulveda over her mother, her turning the conversation back to herself frequently. These are negative qualities, but I STILL LIKE JAMIE because she is a good-hearted, caring person. Unlike Karen, she has not called anyone bad names or dissed them behind their backs. Ironically, it was Jamie's vote against Karen that got her labeled "two-faced" in the first place.

I hope I'm not censored on this thread for saying something negative about Jamie. Now that would be ironic!

*****

Puttergirl: I honestly can't remember exactly what whats-his-name said to get him banished (I wish I had printed it out), but it was pretty mean-spirited and he came back twice more to attack me and another poster. The one memorable comment was "Rufus doofus." That gave me a good laugh. The rest was just pathetic in its hostility.

Bubbaesq

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 08:40 am Click here to edit this post

Let me begin by saying, I don't really care who wins the game show. I see parts of people I know in all the cast members. Yes, my brothers are like Eddie and I know plenty of people like Curtis. Josh reminds me of a few guys I know. For better or worse, their personality traits are all around me.

One thing that bothers me is the ease in which people throw the word "hate" around. It bothers me that people "hate" Jamie for her make up routine. Personally, I do not wear make up but I know people who are the same way as Jamie. I don't "hate" them for it. If someone chooses to "hate" me for not wearing make up, that's their loss.

My kids (girls 6 & 3 1/2) think that "hate" is a "bad" word. I'm also weird enough to not let them say "stupid" or "ugly". They are constantly confronted with negative words and we take the time to think of other ways of expressing our thoughts. I encourage them to develop positive ways to express their feelings and also increases their vocabulary. Don't get me wrong, they have negative feelings and express them freely.

I don't know if they will wear make up. I hope they will be good friends and daughters. I think that Jamie has been a good friend to the others on the show whether she wears make up or not. Isn't that what matters in games shows and REAL LIFE?

Thank you for this thread, I have been looking for the opportunity to make this statement.

Koka

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 09:19 am Click here to edit this post

Bubba--you have pointed out one of the uglier sides of the Big Brother game--because the house guests have to nominate two people for banishment and because the public votes for someone to get kicked out, the game can so easily devolve into a contest of who hates who the most.
I'd like to fix it, but that negative aspect is probably what draws people to the show. The public wants to see someone get their come-uppance more than they want to see someone get a reward.
The one ray of light in the whole thing is that next week's vote will be positive. You will not be nominated who you dislike the most or who you want kicked out, you will be voting on who you want to win.
The entire game could be turned around for that kind of voting. House guests coulc nominate who they want to stay in the house and the one with the least votes is up. The public could vote for who they want to stay and the one with the least would get kicked out.
But that scheme would be playing on positive vibes instead of negative. Just look at the number of negative posts aimed at specific houseguests (and even at other posters) and you can see that obviously it is the allure of bashing someone that draws so many people to the show.

Megacad

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 09:37 am Click here to edit this post

There are obviously a lot of positive things about Jamie which even folks who enjoy pointing out her flaws should recognize in fairness.

Without getting into a long discussion, it's apparent that Jamie just doesn't know any better because although she's been an overachiever (and you have to give her that) she hasn't put what she's done into a persepctive.

Jamie has a lot to be proud of and has big dreams. For the megacynics -- there is absolutely nothing wrong with either of those things, and as many have pointed out she has a good heart and means well. To the extent that folks are rubbed the wrong way, it's because she's goes a little *too* far with both. I think when she comes out she will get at least some of the proper perspective -- she seems very open to information and to change. I'd be willing to bet that she will grow. She seems to be a good person.

Now, having said that, I can point out that I voted early for her to be out and am extremely amused at her self-absorption. But remember -- it's basically just a young girl's dreams, and there's certainly no need to be cruel to her because of that.

That's my pro-Jamie comment -- now back to other threads.

Soweird

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 12:53 pm Click here to edit this post

One thing that bothers me is the ease in which people throw the word "hate" around. It bothers me that people "hate" Jamie for her make up routine.

Having read about 80 percent of the postings on this board for at least a month, I'd have to say I don't recall a single message where someone said that they "hate" a particular houseguest. Not that the word isn't used -- it's used constantly by people complaining about people who "hate" their favorite HG. And it's occasionally used in terms of actions, not people, e.g. "I hate the way Jamie licks her lips".

If someone has specific examples of a person claiming to hate one of the HGs, I'd like to see them. Otherwise I wish I didn't have to read half a million messages complaining about all the hate.

P.S. Yes, I know that "Hater!" is an Eddieism, and isn't meant to be taken literally when used in that context. But a lot of people don't seem to understand where that term originated, and constantly refer to posters as George-haters, Jamie-haters, Eddie-haters, etc.

Snowgirl

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:02 pm Click here to edit this post

soweird, I can't recall an instance of someone saying they "hate Jamie"; I wouldn't be surprised if there were instances, I just don't recall any.

I do, however, remember seeing the following words used to describe Jamie (all multiple times): sickening, evil, disgusting. Those are all pretty hateful words. I don't think saying that many people here hate Jamie is going too far.

Now, on to the positive. Rufus, thank you for starting this thread. It is truly an oasis, and I hope we can keep in on as a refuge for when the ugliness gets to be too much.

I agree with several people here; Jamie is not my favorite (Curtis is), but I think she is a kind and good-hearted (to use one of her favorite descriptions of the other HGs) person who does not deserve about 98% of the crap she gets.

I hope on Wednesday that BB does not announce percentages. I think it might be pretty bad, and I think she'll have a hard time understanding why she has antagonized people so much. I have a hard time understanding it myself.