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Whatever

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:21 pm Click here to edit this post

Battlestar- "My desire to hit my child is when I am emotional and most likely to do so. I saw no emotions that would make me feel that Jamie was in any danger either verbally or physically. "


But even if you were emotional and most likely to slap Jamie, you weren't anywhere near the BB house!

Whatever

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:21 pm Click here to edit this post

Battlestar- "My desire to hit my child is when I am emotional and most likely to do so. I saw no emotions that would make me feel that Jamie was in any danger either verbally or physically. "


But even if you were emotional and most likely to slap Jamie, you weren't anywhere near the BB house!

Wendy

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:21 pm Click here to edit this post

YES!!!!

NOW we have reached 500!!!!

I feel victorious.

Thank you, all of you, for making this moment happen. :)

Kt45

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:21 pm Click here to edit this post

I have nothing to say about this subject. Just helping to reach the goal.

Azriel1104

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:22 pm Click here to edit this post

{I keep repeating that having the desire or urge to do something is perfectly normal and not unacceptable. Eddie's words and actions are a different matter.}

Yep and we keep saying that we don't see where Eddie's actions and words have been abusive. Hey, there's a wall. Let's just bang our heads against it why don't we?

Cathie

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:22 pm Click here to edit this post

I felt left out - I haven't posted in this thread before. So... anyone want to give me a summary???

Whatever

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:22 pm Click here to edit this post

Wow, my first double post!

Creamynougat

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:22 pm Click here to edit this post

Congrats, Wendy, you have bragging rights. :)

Ocean_Islands

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:23 pm Click here to edit this post

I think we should all talk now about how this thread has affected our lives.

For my part, I found it transformative. Giving me a vision of the dark side not only tempting but almost irresistible, I saw many succumb; those to my left and to my right, above and below.

Many were tempted to reveal themselves in a very personal manner. Others hid behind obscure names and missing email contacts.

Above all it is those who continue to pursue the truth who have my utmost respect. On this thread they came to demonstrate their substance and achievements; in many cases they succeeded, in others, failure was inevitable.

But across the three months of the Big Brother television show -- newly come to our shores from the dark continent (no, not from Africa, but the iniquitous European wilds) -- this thread and many others have shown the diversity of human nature. Indeed, many passions were in evidence, and the darker sides of human nature were not isolated from those more light-hearted.

It appears to be time to take stock of what we have achieved. Like the Romans of old, the Big Brother arena has been a stage in which many would crucify the players and, indeed, even throw them to the lions. Subjected to taunts, criticisms and cruel comments of all kinds, the houseguests unknowingly continue their imprisoned lives at this very minute, not knowing the passions surrounding them. Suspicions on their part may abound; but among some of the houseguests, any temptation to acknowledge such passions is only met with strict denial and disbelief. This can only provoke in us compassion and concern . . . that is, concern for those who aren't going to get any money which at this point is only one.

And what, if anything, have we learned? Even now I can envision certain viewers standing up in the great Big Brother colliseum as a kind of all-encompassing Caesar, with thumbs down to the gladiator to go in for the kill. The doors are opened and the lions charge forth and those huddled Christians in the center will soon be eaten alive.

The only thing we can really learn, perhaps, is that in 2,000 years of human history, we haven't learned much, or we have come full circle, or we have found a way to go for the kill without harming anyone at all. But have we? Do we harm ourselves in giving in to our baser natures? No answer appears evident for that inevitable question.

Can you honestly say, watching the houseguests on the live feed, so ignorant, so innocent of actual consciousness of the millions watching them at that very moment, that you don't feel a tinge of regret, pity, or fear for them? My thoughts go to Jamie asking Big Brother in the Red Room, "Are you recording now?" What about when Karen showed her ass? "Is that the internet camera over there or is that it?" They didn't realize we could hear everything they said. Jordan and Josh lie close to each other. "Whisper," she said, "They seriously can hear almost everything." Didn't you feel guilt at taking part of such an intimate moment? Weren't we not only invading their privacy but almost violating it? And even Eddie's foul-mouthed casualness -- do you really think he is thinking, "Millions of people are hearing me right now?" It has to change you, as a viewer; it will have changed them, too.

And finally, now that the show is almost over and we have to go back to watching insipid sit coms (if you even bother) which are only the most artificial creation of life -- that even if the houseguests were incredibly boring at times -- even outstandingly ordinary and at times not entertaining in the least, isn't it clear that we have to be thankful that they chose to share with us what they did? I am.

Koka

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:23 pm Click here to edit this post

Creamy--you are so right. Applause to the moderators who keep the thread open in spite of the people who want to close it down not because the discussion is offensive, but because they don't like what is being discussed.

Wendy

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:24 pm Click here to edit this post

YOU GUYS!!!!!!

Whatever!!! How could you!!!!!!

This has been fun...

And, yes, I know, it's a sad reflection on my life. But damn it, I vowed to watch the live feeds as much as I could this week and the hgs are really boring today.

I had to do something...:)

Creamynougat

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:26 pm Click here to edit this post

Yep and we keep saying that we don't see where Eddie's actions and words have been abusive. Hey, there's a wall. Let's just bang our heads against it why don't we?

Hmmm. Well I never claimed that Eddie was abusive.

Sfnative

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:31 pm Click here to edit this post

Dear Moderator: Since this post will never go away of its own accord, could you please move it to the "Favorites" section. This is the first post that I have entered on this thread, because it is clearly a "no win" situation.

Bigbroho

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:34 pm Click here to edit this post

JAMIE HAS ASSAULTED EDDIE IN THE STORAGE ROOM. UNPROVOKED, EDDIE CRIED OUT "NO, NO"

SEE THE LIVE FEEDS

CALL OUT THE POLICE. JAMIE GUILTY OF ASSAULT. SEND FOR LAPD.

HEADLINE IN MONDAY'S LA TIMES:

"BIG BROTHER BABE BASHES BAD BOY"

TEXT OF STORY:

Despite crying out and asking not to be physically assaulted, the one=legged member of CBS's Big Brother television show was attacked by co-guest Jamie Kern. Kern, also Miss Washington USA, accosted Eddie in the storage room of the house just after lunch time. Eddie, handicapped and clearly fearful for his life, watched in astonishment as the beauty pagent participant nearly buckled him over with a poke in the ribs from her finger. Eddie, requesting her to stop, was asked if he would rather be "punched" to which Eddie answered "NO, NO!"

The Los Angeles Police say no other assaults occurred in the house despite the cries from a strange group of man-hating Big Brother fans who called to report Eddie of teasing Jamie.

Katie

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:34 pm Click here to edit this post

Right Creamy, That's what I don't understand. If people don't like it, why don't they just stay away? Why try so hard to shut it down? What are they afraid of? Real discussion about something more important then lip gloss, make-up, smiles, abs, or toilet paper.

Ocean_Islands

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 02:36 pm Click here to edit this post

Ok, let's go -- 600!

Soweird

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 03:16 pm Click here to edit this post

If you guys really want to continue this...

This entire thread has been based on a false premise. The title, "Eddie's Desire to "Clothesline" Jamie--Unacceptable?", asks a bogus question, because Eddie didn't have a desire to attack Jamie. He said he had a desire to attack her. A joke. The debate (if any) should be whether the joke is "unacceptable" (whatever that means).

When Eddie said he had sex with midgets, why didn't we have a thread "Eddie fornicates with little people -- unacceptable?"? Because it was just something he said that we all know wasn't true. We know why he said it: to be funny. It's called a joke.

Creamynougat

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 03:32 pm Click here to edit this post

The way I see it, Eddie's so-called joke bothered some people. This thread has been about why the joke bothered people vs. why these people should not have been bothered.

Kady99

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 03:42 pm Click here to edit this post

Are you trying to tell me this debate should be started all over??? I believe I answered correctly about 508 post ago. I didn't see anything wrong with it. It didn't offend me. I love Eddie. Okay guys, Soweird says we have to start over and this time answer the correct question.:)

Soweird

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 03:53 pm Click here to edit this post

This thread has been about why the joke bothered people vs. why these people should not have been bothered.

Partly. It's also been about why some people weren't bothered vs. why those people should have been bothered.

Unfortunately, it's also been accusing Eddie of being a danger to women, accusing Eddie of wishing bodily harm on Jamie, accusing Eddie of harming Jamie, accusing defenders of the joke of being insensitive to victims of domestic violence, accusing victims of domestic violence of not being over their past, etc. Not to mention the posts insulting other posters, questioning the integrity of other posters, and last (but not least) adding posts just to get the message count above 500. Sheesh.

Zelda

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 03:56 pm Click here to edit this post

Didn't bother me ... I grew up with two brothers, some of you guys would have had a hay day with them. We turned out just fine. When we get together for holidays, it doesn't stop. Mom always said, "If they don't tease you, they don't like you". IMO it was just that.... I am just answering the thread's question.

Creamynougat

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 04:01 pm Click here to edit this post

Soweird, you're soright.

:)

Whatever

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 04:04 pm Click here to edit this post

Soweird,

"When Eddie said he had sex with midgets, why didn't we have a thread "Eddie fornicates with little people -- unacceptable?""


Is this your justification for why Eddie's behavior was acceptable?

Since when do two wrongs make a right?

You, and others, claim it was a "joke".


Still waiting, from my previous post:

I won't predict what any Eddie fanatics will do, but at what point will someone post:

1. That they find Eddie's behavior acceptable,

2. That they are proud of Eddie for his behavior,

3. and that they encourage Eddie to do more of it.


After more than 500 posts, not even Eddie's supporters can defend his bad behavior by showing approval and encouragement for more of the same.

Ocean_Islands

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 04:05 pm Click here to edit this post

What's wrong with having sex with midgets?

Ocean_Islands

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 04:05 pm Click here to edit this post

What's wrong with having sex with midgets?