Does BB have an agenda?

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Skw

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 09:49 pm Click here to edit this post

Maybe it's just me, but as has been noted by many in the past, BB has avoided showing on TV most of Eddie's worst comments including the infamous pink
n***ers joke.

At the same time, they have raked Jamie over the coals, whether it be in the camera angles or the editing or even the way Dr Drew goes on about her being fake and opportunistic, while
avoiding any comments about Eddie offending others
(This is coming from a Jamie-hater, so I feel I'm more than unbiased)

Now that it is nearing the final stretch, BB has repeatedly shown Curtis in his unflattering specs
on almost every show, a couple during the parting shot. They highlighted Josh's comment about C making 300gs when they get out.

At the same time they have been sure to include every word that Eddie has said that is ultrasympathetic, be it about his disability or his uncle and we all know how notorious BB is with editing.

Personally, I think Josh, the sexiest BB withthe least detractors will win.

BUT,
do you think maybe to hedge their Bets bb is trying
to build sympathy for Eddie, since let's face it
it's a much better headline that a disabled working class guy whose family has all come down with some expensive disease winning the big cash looks better
than (and excuse the stereotyping here but thats how itll come out in the mainstream press)
the rich asian lawyer

Just athought, (most things in the press and esp. BB is not accidental)

Katie

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 09:58 pm Click here to edit this post

I think that BB wants Eddie to win. I would be great PR. This young man lives next to powerlines that they believe cause cancer and he gets cancer and loses his leg but look at him now. He has a half a million! He can pay off his medical bills and move him family where it is safe. Even the host of the show has been undiplomatic enough to say she wants Eddie to win.

Jimmer

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 10:00 pm Click here to edit this post

Similar to Survivor, the producers of Big Brother can hugely influence viewers of the TV show, simply by deciding what scenes to highlight, what to edit, camera angles etc. The only difference is the Internet feed for Big Brother (for those who watch it and discuss it).

Jamie is definitely not my favourite, but it seems to me that she has received the worst editing, while Eddie has benefited from the most favourable editing.

Fenixtx

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 10:05 pm Click here to edit this post

I feel sorry for the HG's that thought that they actually had a chance at winning. I'd hate to waste 3 months of my life on a false pretence.

Room_101

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 10:09 pm Click here to edit this post

I started a thread call "The TV Show is skewed.." a while back and expressed my feeling about how Eddie was edited in a favorable way... the thread was totaly ignored though..

I digress.. its great to know others have seen this pattern by CBS also.

Fenixtx

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 10:11 pm Click here to edit this post

Jimmer, the big difference is that the public decides who wins this game. The way we perceive the HG directly relates to who wins the game. We had no control over the winner of survivor. There is no comparison.

Jratcliff

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 10:18 pm Click here to edit this post

Relevant question, but one which raises another...who's most affecting the for-pay-vote banishment on BB?

The casual viewer who occasionaly watches the Wed. night show? The AOL geeks with skewed polls which don't match reality, frequenting message boards which exhibit an IQ that would make George seem a genious by comparison? Or, is it the massive following on the internet which feeds these boards by feeding the live feeds and discussing every word, motion, and gesture ever made by the house guests?

If the majority of the voters are in fact the folks who monitor the live feeds and transcripts, then aren't the majority of the voters also the most informed and least subject to BB editing, having seen all sides of the HG's true colors flown in all public forums?

John

Lilith

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 10:23 pm Click here to edit this post

Then why is it that I hear from other posters that TV viewers don't like Eddie but do like Jamie?

Fenixtx

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 10:28 pm Click here to edit this post

Jratcliff, I know a surprising amount of people who have only watched BB on TV. It might just be because I live in Arlington where Eddie goes to school, but it kind of bothers me that they only watch it on TV.

Katie

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 10:39 pm Click here to edit this post

I have talked with people who have only watched the TV portion and it was amazing the differences in how they percieved people from the members of this group. Even up to before George was banished they were saying that George was this cute lovable old guy. They had no idea of what was really going on in the house. The editing does make a difference.

Jratcliff

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 10:40 pm Click here to edit this post

The question I was posing is who really is *voting* more? I've never voted myself, never even been tempted. I don't really know the answer. Do you suspect it's the TV folk, the AOL folk, or the internet folk? Since the internet folk seem the most passionate, paying for banners, investing time and energy into message forums, live feeds, etc., I would suspect that they are also most influencing the pay-per-vote as well.

Of course, that's only a guess on my part.

John

Katie

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 11:00 pm Click here to edit this post

John
I will give a guess here but only a guess since I don't have any real figures. We don't know how many people watch only the TV show or watch both. Even in the internet crowd, there are two groups. There are the ones that watch the feeds heavily and the ones who don't. I would guess the internet group because if they are interested enough to watch the show that much, they are probably more interested in calling too. I would think that people who have a computer might tend to have a bit more money available for this. Someone who can't afford a computer probably wouldn't be able to afford to call. Of course this is all generalities and my guesses. I could be wrong.

Skw

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 07:31 am Click here to edit this post

First of all, the call is a dollar.

Now I didn't have a dollar to waste this morning, yet I still bought a bottle of pop instead of using the drinking fountain. We often spend money in impulsive ways that seem minimal at first but adds up in the end.

Who, overall, are the ones that buy 5 lotto tickets a week?

Usually the people who are least equipped to pay for them. It gives people hope that they may win and control their fate.
Well, the big difference here, of course, is you don't get the payoff, but you can control the fate of another. You are given power, which is really what makes the world go round.

The reason why there is a lot of institutional racism and discrimination is someone's power is threatened by a person from another group.

"Do you know whites will be in the minority 50 years after I'm dead? We have to do something."

People of lower income have less power and control in their workplace and over their lives.

This is a great way to feel like, yeah, I'm doing this.Even more so is the notion of, "I want to help him because he's an average guy like me"

Who are the people with the biggest grassroots support campaign?

George and Eddie.Looking back you almost can admire how much Rockford cared about its own when going to the polls. He was winning for them. Of course, the fact that it backfired didn't help, but they tried.And Eddie is this hero of sorts for working class people and disabled alike.Do you honestly think anyone feels that passionately about Josh or Curtis?

Remember, everyone, people that watch any other show every week are considered addicts. -"You missed her recital for X-Files?"-"I can't miss Mulder and Scully"-"Well, you could've taped it."-"It wouldn't have been the same"
(I don't get it either, which is exactly the point.)

Addicts do letter campaigns, addicts write producers about plot errors, addicts call their station to support syndication of "their" show.

ADDICTS, the faithful that tune in, not every week, but every day, when they know it will be utter boredom, would most certainly spend a buck a week to save/banish who is the most notable in their mind.

WE... are certifiably insane.

Love to my fellow BB nuts:)

Twiggyish

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 07:38 am Click here to edit this post

Katie, I find the samething. When I speak to people who only watch the show on t.v., they have totally different opinions from those who also read the forums and watch the live feeds. So the editing on BB probably does have an influence on the viewing public as they are basing their opinions strictly on what is shown.

Smashedkat

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:35 am Click here to edit this post

I think the #1 voters on the banishment line are CBS employees.

Rufusgriswold

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:58 am Click here to edit this post

There is no question that CBS wants Eddie to win. TV viewers may have seen him swear a lot, but absolutely none of his questionable stories and jokes have made it to the tube, material which would have enraged blacks, Jews, women and other ethnic and sociological groups. The "clothes line" sequence was the closest to showing a negative portrait of Eddie, but that was clearly not the worst of Eddie. By contract, BB has never missed an opportunity to broadcast Jamie's attempts at self-promotion (choosing Sepulveda, adding the lip gloss before the All Dance, etc.) Considering how little Jamie actually did in the house, it's amazing that virtually every negative act made it to television, while Eddie is shown as a lovable scamp.

With Curtis, it's a different situation. He has had so few negative moments that CBS is unable to alter his character to suit its agenda. With Curtis, WYSIWYG.

Petunia

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 09:32 am Click here to edit this post

>do you think maybe to hedge their Bets bb is trying to build sympathy for Eddie...?

Absolutely. One person I spoke to following Monday's episode said, "He's been on the show 3 months and they decide to showcase his disability just days before the final vote? Real fair." I couldn't argue.

Eddie may not want the pity vote, but I'm afraid CBS is definitely pimping it for him.

Rbc

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 09:43 am Click here to edit this post

Gee, I hope everyone doesn't get too upset but I truly think that BB is doing its best to see that CURTIS wins EVERYTHING. People like to relate to those who appear to be winners and just read the disortation by BB's good Dr. I think curtis has everyone fooled into thinking he is mr nice guy. I don't think curtis has any empathy for anyone who is not wealthy & intelligent like he believes he is. It appears to me that the reason he & jamie have had an alliance to get rid of eddie, is because it upsets curtis to see that someone like eddie remains a hg and will be one of the final 3. Everyone seems to ignore curtis' dishonesty, swearing etc. At any rate I hope eddie or josh are first & 2nd, with pugita 3rd.

Skw

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 09:45 am Click here to edit this post

is Rbc watching the same show I am? Just Wondering

Katie

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:04 am Click here to edit this post

Skw,
I don't think so! lol

Rwsbetter

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:10 am Click here to edit this post

I would think that most of the regular posters here either watch the live feeds regularly or read the transcripts or both, they don't depend on the show for their info. It seems to me that among the regular posters here, Jamie is still less popular than Eddie or Curtis. To sum, it may be moot that one HG is edited better or worse than others, seems like the favs are generally the same. Just my $.02.

Motoole

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:11 am Click here to edit this post

I don't think Rbc has been. Sounds a bit jealous to me.

Floresmama

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:13 am Click here to edit this post

It seems obvious to me that Rbc is not watching the same show I am. When has Curtis ever been dishonest. I can't recall anytime please state some examples of his dishonesty. As for swearing they have all (with maybe the exception of Cass) done a little swearing. This morning for example they were all in the kitchen saying the F word all four of them.

Homer

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:24 am Click here to edit this post

Skw, I was wondering the same thing. I haven't ignored Curtis swearing. They've all done their share of cussing, including Jamie. Eddie's taken it to an extreme by using swearing as an integral part of his vocabulary.
Curtis' dishonesty? I missed that altogether. I think Curtis IS Mr. Nice Guy and I hope he wins the big prize.

In all fairness, Jamie hasn't given them a lot to work with. Aside from baking chocolate chip cookies I don't think she's done much for the rest of the group. She's picked up on more of the cooking chores since George left, but with the exception of Josh the others have picked up extra chores, too. She's been so concerned about her image and wanting to avoid storylines that they can only edit what she's given BB... very little.

I think Eddie HAS been edited the most generously. There's a lot to him that the TV viewers haven't seen. I thought George was the one that they'd wanted to win, but that fell through when we got the chance to oust him. They may want Eddie to win, but we're still the ones with the power of the vote and I think Curtis will take the $500,000.

Rosalind

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:33 am Click here to edit this post

On one show this week, Eddie was shown using stereotypical words, gestures and accents to imitate an "East Coast Rapper". He was playing around with his BB hat. I was surprised it was on the show, since Eddie is typically given a pass for this behavior which could be questionable or offensive to some. Seems like Josh is the only one getting a pass these days! Perhaps they are "rooting" for Josh?!

ROZ

Creamynougat

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:36 am Click here to edit this post

I am an avid BB fan-addict. I've missed no more than one or two episodes, I read virtually every message on these discussion boards, and I watch enough live feeds that my career has become an afterthought. Still, I've never had an urge to vote more than once per banishment and have never even considered buying an airbanner. It's not because I can't afford it. I guess that I just don't feel a big need to attempt to influence the game.

I wonder who would want to spend $100 on 1-900 calls or go to the trouble of flying airbanners over the CBS lot. I don't begrudge the people who do this -- I'm just curious as to what impels them.

I'm not sure why BB/CBS would want to favor any particular HG at this point. It made sense when ratings mattered, but the show will be over and the choice of winner will make no difference whatsoever in terms of viewers for CBS this Fall. I just don't see how it's to any great advantage of CBS one way or the other.

Floresmama

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:43 am Click here to edit this post

Wow Rosalind you found Eddie's imitation of a rapper to be offensive. I thought it was quite funny and he was being real cute. I am not a big Eddie fan I think he wants to win so badly that he is saying some things to make himself seem in need to the viewers but I am not sure how you actually found his rapper to be offensive.

As for an agenda I am not sure CBS knows what it wants from minute to minute. I think we have witnessed that by how frequently they have broken their own rules.

Rwsbetter

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:47 am Click here to edit this post

ROZ: I'm just curious, why do you think Eddie's imitation would be offensive? Also, remember that they showed, on the TV show, the "clothesline" incident and the "b*tchwork" incident and "I don't think racism is a problem" incident and some others that might possibly look bad for Eddie. I don't think they are trying to make him look like a Golden Child here.

Rosalind

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:48 am Click here to edit this post

I should have been more clear. *I* did not find it offensive, but it struck me as something which might offend others.

ROZ

Katie

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 11:00 am Click here to edit this post

I'm not sure why BB/CBS would want to favor any particular HG at this point. It made sense when ratings mattered, but the show will be over and the choice of winner will make no difference whatsoever in terms of viewers for CBS this Fall. I just don't see how it's to any great advantage of CBS one way or the other.

Maybe for PR for a second BB. If there is a strike they are going to need TV shows. BB might want to do BB again to fill the gap in regular programming.
It would be great PR to use in advertising the second series of the show.
I also think it would be good PR for the network in general. They could say look at us we made it possible for this guy to .....
Looks good for them.

Rosalind

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 11:00 am Click here to edit this post

RW- there is a "cringe" factor to his imitation. I've never thought it wise to imitate accents (Asian, Hispanic, southern, whatever) that are not your own. It can be considered condescending or stereotypical.

ROZ

Ih8jamie

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 11:10 am Click here to edit this post

Newbie here, Hi all.
I just wanted to add that I think Jamie's editing has been quite good. It has nothing on her "live" 24 hours a day personality which is much, much more telling about who she really is. In fact, when they did the "Bob" segment, I nearly feel over because she was almost, dare I say, "cute"! Then I turned on the live feeds and BAM... It was only five minutes before she said something typically "Jay-ME" about herself and I snapped back into reality.

She better not b*tch about the editing or I will point her in the direction of the live feed archives and inform her that we saw much more unedited LIVE action on the 'net and, gee, wonder why so many 'net people can't stand her?


Eddie on the other hand, I HATED him from the TV show until I started watching the feed and I realized there is a lot more to him than the ridiculous way they showed him on TV. I wanted to kill him with all that pot banging, rap imiation and constant rambling that makes you want to say SHUT UP ALREADY!!!! But on the feeds, you can see he has a big heart, he can be funny (if you can take the language) and I changed my opinion of him. So, what does that say about the editing of Jamie and Eddie?

Creamynougat

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 11:24 am Click here to edit this post

Maybe for PR for a second BB.... Looks good for them.

Maybe. It's the job of the PR department to make the most of anything that happens, though. And blatant attempts to manipulate public sentiment does not look good, IMO. But admittedly, I'm probably part of a small minority. And CBS wouldn't be very concerned about current fans anyhow because most of us will be back for BB2 come hell or high water. It would be new viewers they're after.

Rasputin

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 11:51 am Click here to edit this post

This thread is interesting... jmo:

I think that the internet fans (like us at BBFC) vote more than casual TV watchers do.

The couple people I know who only watch the TV show (both male, btw) both like Jaime. I think that people who watch the show assume that JaiME talks about herself about as often as the other people talk about themselves (which is shown on the tv show). The TV doesn't show Jaime commenting about her image again and again and again which happens on the feeds. Jamie is a pretty girl (the only girl now), and it only takes a little beneficial editing for many males to decide she is their favorite.

I think that everyone is edited favorably on the show to look better than they are in real life, with no exceptions. Probably Eddie gets the most "boost" from his real persona (with the glaring exception of the B#tch dishes sequence), but they all get boosts.