Karen & Brit on MSNBC last night
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Kathyb | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 06:29 am  They showed a piece on BB hgs last night. The subject is how real is reality TV. They showed the bit where Karen is arriving at her new apartment with her daughters. Every move was being directed/choreographed by a BB staffer. Brittany was around the corner waiting to be called for the "reunion". The woman showed Karen just where to stand and how far not to go. MSNBC was filming. The BB group then went out to eat (paid for by BB) and were filmed. A BB PR person was with Brittany and she appeared to be following his orders. MSNBC said "You don't seem to be very free." Brittany made a face and said coyly "I have to go now" and left with the PR guy. The whole piece will be shown tonight on MSNBC. |
Fruitbat | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 06:33 am  I thought this was scheduled for Sunday....So it is on again tonight. What is the title of the show? Was there anymore to it than you described or is that about it? |
Kathyb | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 12:46 pm  It was an excerpt from the longer report that will be on tonight. I don't know the name of the show and you never know what time the segment will be on. I'd start watching for it at 8PM EDT. |
Doveman | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 01:01 pm  I think that this will be a good report. We have no idea how much the media (especially CBS) manipulates the lives of the former houseguests. CBS did a lot of manipulation of the show while it was on (trying to make George, and then Jamie look bad at the end). thank you doveman http://www.praisejamie.com |
Judy | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 01:40 pm  I thought the anchorman said Sunday night at 9pm... |
Prince | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 01:43 pm  This is what I found using clickTV : MSNBC Reports - Reality TV Survivor's Guide Type: Public Affairs / Newsmagazine Duration: 1 hr Description: Airing: Sun 10/8/00 9:00pm 209 MSNBC Mon 10/9/00 12:00am 209 MSNBC Fri 10/13/00 4:00am 209 MSNBC All times Eastern |
Judy | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 02:20 pm  Thanks for finding that Prince but.... OH NOOOO I don't get MSNBC yet  |
Fruitbat | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 03:29 pm  Prince.....I just went to the MSNBC web page and found nothing on this. A search came up blank also. Where are you finding this info? I would set my VCR to record but I have not a clue as to the name of the show. Do you know the title of the show? What you have written does not appear on the web site. Clearly I am confused. I may need more than you are able to give, but let's just start with this show for now. Thanks |
Prince | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 04:05 pm  Fruitbat, I couldn't find it in their website either. But I just saw a blurb on the MSNBC channel again showing Karen and its definitely called MSNBC Reports and its on 9E/8C tomorrow. |
Xparkerx | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 05:23 pm  Someone posted about this a couple of days ago under HOUSEGUEST APPEARANCE/INTERVIEW THREAD. ../65/6306.html?970871262 MSNBC Reports will be on Sunday at 9pm. It will cover other reality shows such as Survivor,Big Brother, and The Real World. |
Judy | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 05:55 pm  I am really bummed about not being able to see it-- the preview looked great and I HATE transcripts for video. Would someone be willing to tape it for me?? I will send an SASE for you to easily pop in mail to me. Pleeese |
Sean | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 06:03 pm  Judy, I'll tape it for you. Here's my email address: holejunkie@aol.com |
Judy | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 06:27 pm  THX Sean |
Ryn | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 07:53 pm  Fruit - check the post - he/she said http://www.clicktv.com was where the info was |
Egbok77 | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:46 pm  Hey Guys, thanks for the great info above!! I'll be watching . . and knowing MSNBC, it should be very interesting to hear their take on the reality shows. IMHO, they do pretty straight-forward reporting. |
Prince | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 06:01 pm  Moving up the thread as the show is starting... |
Judy | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 06:07 am  Hello?! ...How was it you guys? |
Prince | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 06:18 am  This was posted on another site as a quick summary: Well, I missed the intro. But the show is about several reality TV shows. It started off with BB. They (MSNBC)showed clips of Karen's "breakdown", i.e. talking with the other HG's about her unhappiness, her unhappy marriage, how much she misses her kids. They talked about how impossible it was for the HG's to find any privacy to talk, and showed a distraught Karen and a concerned Britt going into the W/C to talk: K: (crying) B: So, it's the marriage stuff? K: It's everything! The showed the view from the ceiling of the W/C, and had the conversation in text at the bottom. This may have been on an episode I missed. Then MSNBC showed a clip of an interview with Karen's daughters, and the producer said it must have been rough for them to see their Mom go through all this. Daughter Jill said when she saw her Mom sobbing in the RR, she was sobbing, too. MSNBC showed a BB's producer discussing how they do the show of Karen moving to L.A. and Britt arriving. A lot of planning was involved. They interspersed this with current interview snippets of Karen, dressed nicely and wearing bright red lipstick. They asked her if the show cost her her job, and she said yes, that being on the show plus the whole marriage thing being broadcast was not cool. Then they showed how CBS planned their show where they have Karen arriving with her daughters in the U-haul truck to their apt which they had rented sight-unseen. The producers again discussed how meticulously planned the whole thing was. They showed the tape of K. and her girls arriving, going into the new apt for the first time, ooh-ing and aah-ing. Then the producer explained how they were going to let K. get settled in a bit, then bring in Brittany. They planned the arrival, the greeting, etc, and said it went off as planned "without a hitch". Then they showed K and girls and Britt going off to a Big Boy restaurant for dinner and reminiscing. CBS paid the restaurant to have the whole place to themselves, and bought the dinners. Britt and Karen shared negative comments about the BB experience. Suddenly, a man stood behaind Britt and said it was time to go. Apparently, this was an unauthorized interview, and she needed to leave with him. So she went. That was about it for the BB part. OOps, now more (9:35). Just that BB was a social experiment about 10 people crammed into house with no privacy and no way out. OK, the rest of the show so far discussses other reality TV shows with which I am not familiar. Then they talked about social experiments like these done decades ago in University settings, and how they are now forbidden due to the potential for trauma. They showed footage of some well-known experiments, like the one where one guy was led to beleive that his actions were resulting in another man in the next room receiving electric shocks. (anyone who has taken a psychology class knows this one). Now they're talking about Candid Camera. Interview with Peter Funt, who has continued the show. "Reality TV before they called it that". Now they're discussing the voyeuristic and exhibitionist aspects of reality shows. The show is moving too fast! Not very in-depth. I can't type very fast! Now hidden cameras showing real conversations occurring in backs of cabs. Frank, personal, sexual discussions which driver can easily hear. They're skipping from one subject to the next very quickly. Master control room at BB house is "voyeurs dream come true". Paul Romer saying how fun it is. Interviewing one of the writers/ producers, showing how they tell camera people to pursue a particuar story-line, like Britt talking about her hair problems. Now discussing camera crew always ready. Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle: does having a camera on you change the reality? Yes. Now discussing Loud family of 70's. Did the show contribute to marriage falling apart? Asking psychologists, others. Loud daughter thinks yes. Lance Loud says celebrity wasn't addicting, but for others it is. Karen again, has offers to take advantage of her new-found celebrity. Daughter Jill hpopes this will be a springboard for her own celbrity. Real World star Melissa enjoying celebrity, but knows it'll be short lived. Over 50,000 audition tapes received for Survivor 2. UPS refused to deliver them. Now the NBC show about 4 men and one woman chained together. Now one with prize of visit to MIR. Stakes getting higher. How far will it all go? End. Sorry if some of this doen't make sense. I was taking notes by hand the first half, and typing along with it during the second half. But now after re-reading it, I think it's pretty complete. Anybody else see it and want to add things I've missed?
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Fruitbat | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 06:23 am  Thanks all....Odd the MSNBC web site did not mention it! I watched it last night. It was an interesting show. Not a lot about big brother but what they showed was telling. I remember when Cass talked about her lawyer cautioning her not to sign the CBS contract. He said they will own you for too long a period of time. They filmed a dinner, at Big Boy (??!! sheeesh)with Karen and Britt and some others, I cannot remember. Not HG's. The conversation headed for territory that BB did not want aired and immediately Britts "body guard" (?) said she had to go and escorted her out of the restaurant. Someone may remember exactly what she started to say. Unfortunately I cannot recall exactly. All she was going to talk about was her perspective on some aspect that we did not get to hear! I remember George saying, very early on, in a conversation with Eddie in the bedroom..."Wow, this show is soooooo controlled"......bam cut to chicken cam. I can only think it was something about the production that we do not know along these lines. I'll be interested to hear what others thought. A large focus was on Melissa from Real World and small bit on survirvor. They also showed the behind the scenes staging of Karen pulling up to her new apt and her supposedly surprize reunion with Britt. Karen asked if it were supposed to be a surprize, then voiced her dissapointemnt that she had to act like it was. |
Prince | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 06:45 am  Some additional comments... I think the BB story editor they were showing was Sasha(Mrs. S?), and she talks about also having a hard time pulling away from the feeds even though most of the time nothing interesting is going on. They showed several BB staff having lunch in a small dining area, and even there, a monitor is setup so you can watch what is going on inside the house. Also showed Paul Romer sitting in a sofa chair in a room with 30+ monitors where you can view every single camera and happenings inside the house. |
Fruitbat | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 07:46 am  And......Romer talked about his addiction and fascination with it himself; more than just a business venture. Karen looked great. She was wearing vivid red lipstick. I am hoping that at some point in the not too distant future they will have a documentary style show on the making of BB. Love to see the faces attached to the voices and get a comprehensive tour behind the scenes. Britt made a comment when viewing Karens new apt with her......."There are no cameras!" It was cute to see this tape, showing at least 3 cameras on them when she said this. |
Rmgreco | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 09:56 am  I thought the bit with the CBS "bodyguard" breaking in on Britts interview was scary! She actually looked kind of scared of him, the way she cowered away and kept looking to see his reaction! Frightening! |
Fruitbat | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 11:33 am  I think that is more Britts way. Her facial expressions, body language and voice can be dramatic. She is very animated in whatever she does or says. Interesting that he just didn't ask her to stop, he requested she leave! Wonder what she was about to say that CBS didn't want aired? |
John | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 01:06 pm  I don't get MSNBC, but I think it's really tacky that they would stage Brit and Karen's reunion if that is what happened. I am shocked either one went along with it. What would have been wrong with them actually finding out when they would be seeing each other for real the first time and asked if they could do that? I think it would be interesting if most or all the HG's went together on a tell-all book. I think what Brit, Karen, and Cass would say in one would be quite reveling. |
Georgeisagoner | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 02:56 pm  Judy How did you get that little yellow happy character? That is adorable!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Bbfrick | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 03:45 pm  I think CBS didn't want Brittany to start bashing the editing of the show/or the show itself, so they can get people to want to go into Big Brother 2001, as well as they want people to watch. It's bad when every critic is bashing the show, but to have one of your own houseguests? I think that smiley was great - how do you do all the ones besides and |
Bbfrick | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 03:47 pm  Maybe I need to look at "Formatting" more offten  |
Carole | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 05:31 pm  I guess I saw it differently than everyone else. My impression was that Brit was being interviewed by an msnbc reporter and it was unauthorized. She was in the middle of a cbs shoot so that's why they told her they had to leave. I don't think it had as much to do with the content of what she was saying... only that she wasn't suppose to be talking to that reporter at that time. If you remember as they were leaving, the msnbc reporter shouted out "free Brit"... |
Tarotot | Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 06:27 am  Staged? duh. How about the CBS reporter telling Karen "don't look at the camera. They are going to be in yur face and don't look." |
Nishy | Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 07:15 am  Staging is nothing unusual. It happens even on news shows. Years ago my friend worked for a Polish-Canadian club at the time the government turned from Communist to Labour. The local news station did a segment at the club and said "the phones have been ringing off the hook at the Polish Club with people trying to get information about the situation". They showed my friend picking up the phone and telling someone the info. Trouble was, there was no one on the line - it was staged (and, as a matter of fact, there had been few calls). You can tell if you watch the news closely that this happens all the time. Usually, they're shots of people doing something (even something innocuous like walking down the street)when you know that, if a camera was there, they'd at least look at the camera. |
Georgeisagoner | Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 07:34 pm  Bbfrick
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Judy | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 05:32 am  Sean, Tried to e-mail you to Thank You for the tape - but it was returned. Sooo THANK YOU FOR THE TAPE!!! You are a real sweet |
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