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Bigbrofan

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 08:15 pm Click here to edit this post

I was thinking about Eddie and a lot of his comments. There were a lot of George posts about how offensive his redroom acts are. I would go as far as saying that Eddie's comments have been worse than George's. People picked George apart, myself included, for his Holocaust statement. Eddie called Jewish people cheap and shoddy. On a live show a few weeks ago I heard him say that Pugita was fat and lazy, and must be from China. His clothes lining statement included, a lot of posters said he was just kidding. Using that same logic George was kidding a lot of the time too. So how come people are voting Jamie again? Don't get me wrong. I like Eddie a lot. I think he's a great guy, he just makes ignorant statements. I personally don't allow my children to watch BB at all. I really wouldn't want them repeating Eddie's filth. I just don't know anyone else that can earn $50,000 in 3 months for cursing and making racial slurs on a regular basis.

Novasea

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 08:43 pm Click here to edit this post

Oh my, you used Jamie for a reference example... you DO realise they will turn this into a Jamie pick apart don't you?

As you (may) know from my posts on the topics:
--Eddie's Unfair Advantage: He's Censored &
--NEED: as a criteria to pick winner.

it looks like BB is also in control of who is favored. They didn't show hardly a thing of his increased bad behavior since the nominations... and that is what we should see, just as we saw how Karen, Jordan, Will, And George handled theirs. (not counting the one where they were all up, except Jamie).

Now Eddie is hamming it up in front of the cameras doing commercial endorsements.... does he get bashed for that? And is that the real Eddie? Seems that would mean he was 2 faced wouldn't it?

I have pretty well given up on this experience, but since I AM an addict ;) and curious... I will see how it plays out. I will admit to SOME small hope that it won't be Eddie that wins the BIG bucks.

He simply doesn't deserve it.

Bigbrofan

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:09 pm Click here to edit this post

I agree with you. I used Jamie because it seems she's not only the target but probably the banished as well. That's really too bad. I personally don't like her but those reasons aren't good enough to see her walked out with nothing. On the other hand I'm not sure if it's OK to reward someone for making rude remarks constantly. If his rude remarks were about people in front of him who could defend themselves I wouldn't worry about it as much. However, allowing someone who's made statements about Jewish people, hitting women, and countless other topics just may not be sending the right message to our country. I think Eddie probably is a nice guy. I just am really losing my sense of humor when it comes to things that he says. I pictured Jamie's mom sitting watching the live feeds seeing someone say that to her daughter. If it were me I'd be SO upset! I wouldn't want any man to say that to my daughter. I'm just curious for some of the people who found George offensive to reply and explain why Eddie's not offensive. It might help me see a different point of view.

Gubblebum

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:17 pm Click here to edit this post

yep as a mother i would be mad at eddie but i would be mad at my daughter for taking it...as for sending a message- george played with his fake karen nipples, made fun of Arabs and was sneaky and just weird...sorry but he was...eddie is crude, but funny...jamie is all me me me and has no entertainment value at all...as i stated before those that have never made an off handed or tacky remark, they can complain, otherwise lighten up

Jimmer

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:20 pm Click here to edit this post

I'm sure someone's pointed this out before, but it's ironic that there is no way that Eddie would be tolerated if he was posting on this board in the manner that he speaks in the house. To quote: "Excessive foul language, vengeful and hateful posts will not be tolerated."

I like Eddie, but he could have been an easy winner if he had just let up on the foul language etc. To those who would argue that Eddie is being "real", you don't have to curse every 10 seconds to be real.

Bigbrofan

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:24 pm Click here to edit this post

Gubblebum- OK I don't want to start a big online war here. This is an honest question. Why did George's Arab and Karen's skits offend you? Why don't Eddies comments like wanting to see a bruise on Jamie's neck or Jewish people are cheap and shoddy? To me they were both kidding and both are equally offensive. I'm in a small minority though. So I'm looking for reasons why one is more offensive than the other.

Bigbrofan

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:25 pm Click here to edit this post

Good point Jimmer. Also, if Eddie's being real wouldn't that imply that he's a racist, sexist, who hits women? On one hand he's kidding, then on the other he's real. I just don't get it.

Katie

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:33 pm Click here to edit this post

The foul language bothers me because it seems to me as if people are just using these words instead of finding the "real" word. For example someone might say "That is so F***ing ugly, instead of saying very or extremely or whatever. They might also say "Why are you f***ing with me?" Do they mean very or extremely or any of the meaning from the first sentence. No. They mean more like messing with me. This goes on and on. This word is used in so many ways and it doesn't really mean anything. I just wish people would take the time to find the 'real' word.

Smrtass

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:37 pm Click here to edit this post

I heard him say that Pugita was fat and lazy, and must be from China.

I know it will sound like I am blindly defending Eddie here, but I have to say that the remark about the pug's Chinese heritage seemed more like a non sequitur (as brought up by another poster in another thread). First of all, I don't think the Chinese have a stereotype of being fat OR lazy, so there is no logic in saying the dog is fat and lazy and must, therefore, be from China. Secondly, it seemed like he was commenting on the origin of Pug dogs, which DO originate in China. Two comments, which when taken as a whole, rather than two parts, are misconstrued.

Motoole

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:40 pm Click here to edit this post

To answer the question:
George was putting on a skit, trying to be funny. He simply succeeded in looking ignorant. Eddie's comments are filled with malice.
And yes, if this is Eddie being real, he's a racist, sexist, woman basher, anti-semite. I don't think he's kidding, look in those eyes when he makes his remarks, he means it.

Gubblebum

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:42 pm Click here to edit this post

they really didn;t offend me, just were lame, and eddies were just as stupid, all in all eddie
so no war, just pointing out how offensive they all can be and how funny- believe me, it takes a lot to get me riled, george was just kind of sad

Gomer

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:45 pm Click here to edit this post

"jewish people"cheap and shoddy?I've never heard that line attributed to him-if it was must have been done on one of his joke threads-since he seems to be compelled to recite every old unpc joke or proverb he can find.

Living in NYC"jewish people"are your neighbors just about everywhere you are unless you're in a lower income or minority cultured (Harlem,Washington Heights,East Harlem,Flushing,etc.) neighborhood, and in the workplace your coworkers almost invariably will contain at least a couple "Jewish people".

Can't believe that thought would enter his head.

Can't believe he'd ever even think of"jewish people"as any different from the "Irish people",Italian people",etc.

As the slogan used to go (maybe still is).You don't have to be Jewish to love Levy's.

Maybe it's just the phraesology-but I cringe when I hear the phrase _______ people-like they're a different species

Whatever

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:46 pm Click here to edit this post

George was hugely misunderstood.

The biggest reason for the RR skit characters, and the different genders, was because he was trying to APPEAL to people across different boundaries, or to portray a wide range of fan support. He was NOT mocking anyone. George isn't an actor, screenwriter, or producer. He tried the best he could.

It's also unfair to criticize George for his efforts to win the game, and then claim playing to win is admirable.

Gubblebum

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:50 pm Click here to edit this post

its just that george did it so badly...imho

Wendy

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:51 pm Click here to edit this post

If anyone doesn't know it by now, I am a huge Eddie supporter.

BUT...

I can see your point, Bigbrofan.

Don't get me wrong, I think culture-bashing is completely unacceptable, but with George, I found it more deplorable because he was a grown man who should have known better but didn't seem to have a clue.

With Eddie, I chalk it up mostly to immaturity. He just doesn't seem to think before he opens his mouth. It's one thing to say derogatory things in the privacy of your own home, but on national TV without even giving it a second thought?

The impression I get from the posts I read by "friends of the McGee family" is that he may say thoughtless things, but at the end of the day, he doesn't really mean it. For example, he's said negative things about gays, yet apparently he has a gay cousin. He's made "racial" comments, but apparently one of his best friends is black.

I really do believe it does boil down to immaturity. And let's hope that when he gets out and he reads the press he got because of his "racial" remarks and he learns something from all of this.

Novasea

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 10:16 pm Click here to edit this post

Then should immaturity win the game?

He is only 2 years younger than Josh, less than 2 than Jamie's just 23, how old was Brit 25? Get my point? So we excuse it for Eddie why? Oh, because, he's had a rough time of it & needs the money.

Wendy

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 10:23 pm Click here to edit this post

Nova: I hope you're speaking about the general tone of people around here and not about me specifically.

I never said Eddie SHOULD win...

I would like to see him win because he is my favorite hg not because he needs the money, etc etc.

Zlfd

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 05:39 am Click here to edit this post

I thought Eddie had a potty mouth and was immature but I like him he is honest. Last night I wanted to scream at him when he was going to dry dishes and he said let me take my bi**H postion over and over again. I think Eddie will have alot of explaining to do when he get's out. I voted to banish Jamie this time and I am still good with that decision.

However I will refrain from voting during the fianl round for prize money as I will never vote against Eddie but I will not vote for him either since he made the Bi*** comment.

Annah

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 05:48 am Click here to edit this post

Had this post on wrong thread...it belongs on this one....
Perhaps the greatest lack of empathy comes from the viewers, not the house guests.

All 10 house guests were individuals with a story to tell...good and bad personality traits...good and bad backgrounds...etc.

But, viewers have consistently zeroed in on the flaw, the weakness, and hammered away at each hg.

How silly and pompous and unempathetic a group WE are. Like it really matters one way or the other in any viewers life who wins this game show! LOL.

Annah

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 05:52 am Click here to edit this post

Oh, almost forget: ZLFD: Both Curtis and Josh call doing dishes "b*tch work" too...guess it's a dick thing!

Mlady

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 05:57 am Click here to edit this post

All the HG's have their own personality. They all have good points and bad points...just as everyone does. (and boy howdy! really seeing it on this board!)

I've found that the HG's on BB, have shown a lot more feelings for others than what the people on Survivor did. This says a lot for each of them. Give me Eddie and his foul mouth over Richard and his obnoxious ways any time. Give me Jamie and her "me me" ways any time over Sue and her bitchy and sneaky ways. I could go on, but will quit. We all have opinions....just stating mine.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 06:06 am Click here to edit this post

Another thing that happens is we form an attraction, or adversion to another based on vibes. Just an unexplained reaction. I had this with George from the very first show just seeing his biography clip. I immediately liked Curtis.

We tend to defend those we like, overlooking flaws or behaviours that grate in others. We do this with our friends also. A good way to be. Adversely we look for reasons why it is "okay" to dislike another; a way of justification for our reaction.

Rufusgriswold

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 06:09 am Click here to edit this post

I've lost much of my interest in posting here because remarks have gotten so ugly about Jamie. I don't think she's the best of the women contestants, but she's a good-hearted person who worked hard to win the game. But the "real" Jamie is just to "unreal" to be admired.

I have tried to question the concept of "real" where it is applied to Eddie. Every time I argue that Eddie's language is unacceptable, I am told that that is just the way people are and to deal with it. Jimmer, thank you for finally pointing out that if Eddie spoke that way here, all of his biggest fans would want him banished from this board. It seems that "real" on television is entertaining, but "real" in real life is just flaming. Eddie, for all his "good heart," is not kidding when he insults blacks, Jews, women and others. I hope he takes his money and disappears from public attention, because I really don't want a pig like that as a role model for America's youth. Don't bother to flame me back, because I'm going to work and won't be here to fight with you. Have a nice day, folks.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 06:15 am Click here to edit this post

that would be aversion...typo

Smashedkat

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 06:21 am Click here to edit this post

The word f*** came from the Pilgrims abbreviating "Found Under Carnal Knowledge" in their writings. If you replace Eddie's constant F*** with Found Under Carnal Knowledge (and the ing) it really sounds absurd. I've always felt persistant cussing is the sign of a lazy mind. Also, Eddie's remarks are bearing malice. Personally, I will go for Curtis who has maintained himself, not run naked, used very little cursing and has persistantly exibited integrity.