New Viewer Insights: Curtis, clearly the winner

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Ken

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 04:22 pm Click here to edit this post

bbyoohoo -- I couldn't disagree with you more about Ayn Rand.

Her books were pure fiction. You had a fictional set of characters (none of whom was all that realistic) responding to fictional situations while society at large was acting in a fictional manner to various fictional economic and social forces. After Ayn Rand's characters all acted the way she wrote them and events turned out as she's written them, some readers chose to ignore the fact that the entire book was a fiction and decide "hey, in this book the fictional society fell apart when people started to believe that charity was a good thing and that greed was a bad thing so that proves that the real society would fall apart if people start being too charitable and less greedy." Please.

I mean, Ayn Rand generally started her novels with the following premises:

1. All really smart people recognize that greed is good.
2. All stupid people do not recognize this and will embrace charity rather than greed.
3. There are more stupid than smart people, so the majority rule will slowly lead to a more socialistic, charitable society where personal greed is viewed as bad.
4. Because the smart "greedy" people are viewed as bad, they will be taken out of any position of responsibility.
5. The world being run by the stupid, non-greedy people will fall apart, buildings collapsing and trains de-railing until mankind is back in the stone age.
6. All the really smart people will refuse to live in the charitable society where they don't receive fair value for their contributions and will run away to start their own society.
7. The really smart people's society will be a utopia where each person has the desire and ability to work hard to "build a better mousetrap" so to speak because they are all so darn clever and because the cleverer they are, the more money they make. (I recall in one book the main character had never tasted a cigarette as good as the delicious cigarette made in the little society of smart greedy people.)

Believing that Ayn Rand's FICTIONAL books prove anything about human nature or sociological tendencies is akin to believing coconuts cure cancer just because I write a short story in which they do. On the other hand, if her books were meant through EXAGGERATION to ILLUSTRATE (rather than prove) that greed was a positive force in society, I would not be so critical of them...I still would disagree with her opinions, but I would not get so frustrated with Objectivists trying to use her fictional books as "proof" that greed is good.

Enough about that. I also disagree Ayn Rand would select Eddie among the HG's. I think she would choose Eddie 1st, Cassandra 2nd, maybe Will 3rd (I can't remember him well enough to be sure). Curtis is way too communal in his thinking and attitudes.

Ken

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 04:25 pm Click here to edit this post

In that last paragraph, I meant to say that Ayn Rand would not select Curtis of the HG's.

Egbok77

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 05:48 pm Click here to edit this post

Wow Bbyoohoo, I enjoyed all of your above posts. What you speak of Curtis is true and to the point. I have admire him from the very start and really starting rooting for him when he mentioned if winning, he would do pro bono work. Curtis is honorable, unselfish, charming and is very good looking!!

Welcome to our "little" club. You have a fan in me!! GO CURTIS!!

Bali

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 06:18 pm Click here to edit this post

After all the dust settles, if there is only one thing that I can have from the BB experience...it'll be my delight that someone as wonderful as Curtis exists. I truly admire and respect him and wish him all the best. I envy those people who are lucky to have him in their lives.

Love you, {{{{{Curtis}}}}}.

Bbyoohoo

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 06:39 pm Click here to edit this post

To Egbok77,

EGBOK! [Pronounced: egg bok']

I haven't seen that in print in years. That was and still is one of my mantras in life, "Everything's gonna be OK!".

And that's exactly how this BB odyssey will turn out.

Honorable. Now that's an adjective that sums up Curtis for me. Thanks, Egbok77! It has been uplifting for me to see someone so young be so full of it. His parents, family, and community did a great job of instilling it in him.

Definition of Honor: Honesty or integrity in one's beliefs and actions; A source of credit or distinction; High respect.

He honors and respects the Spirit within himself, the Spirit within his housemates, and the Spirit that dwell within each of us, who watch him voyeuristically. Act and you become, it has been said ...and yes, he becomes honorable, himself.

That future leaders of Curtis' ilk exist in the world is reassuring to our collective futures on this planet. EGBOK!

As I've said, he is already a Winner.

Two years ago, I was able to sustain my existence on two days/week and now I am able to do pro bono work for the other two days/week. It has been the most gratifying privilege of my career, as I am giving back to the Spirit of others -- anonymously. No losers in this arrangement.

To Ken,

As you can see from the above, I have outgrown Ayn Rand's influence since those impressionable college years.

I learned a lot from Ayn Rand, and will always consider her a valued, respected teacher. But I grew up like you, to learn that her world was black-and-white, and ours is a beautiful world of nuances, gradations, and subtleties. Her world lacked Spirituality (she was an atheist), and my world is full of it.

I've enjoyed the growing up process. I wouldn't go backwards.

I answered the question posed: Who did I think she'd pick as winner. Disciplined, rational, creative, of action are Ayn Rand's adjectives (her books still sit on my bookshelves, next to Tolkien!) Curtis seemed to fit best, IMHO, albeit imperfectly. Eddie fits her individualistic adjective to the "T". I did not intend "rightness" or "wrongness" with my answer, just one person's opinion based on my recent (and openly admited limited) observations of these folks.

I like Curtis and Eddie very much. JOYFUL SPIRITS, these two. I have delighted in their lightheartedness company, enjoyed their singing and whispering. They are Great Spirits.

I'm still getting to know Jaime and Josh. I think Josh, like me, is under the weather, and not as vibrant as he must usually be to have made it to this foursome. Jaime, well, my jury is still out, as she veils herself well.

I enjoyed your keen intellect with relish. I can't remember the last time I talked Ayn Rand, and this brought back great memories of impassioned discussion when I was about Eddie's age. Thanks, and think on!

I have never enjoyed recovering from a pesky cold so much!

Nan

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 07:07 pm Click here to edit this post

All of the HGs have had some endearing moments in the house, but Curtis has consistently shown his genuine feelings in every situation. Even when he didn't agree with someone or something, he was upfront but sensitive of others' feelings, and didn't try to be hurtful. He has always been very witty and used a great sense of humor, even when something was directed toward him. It's hard to find someone like him in most walks of life, and I admire him.

If you agree, I hope you will spend your vote dollar on a vote for Josh, since the first place seems to be close between these two guys.

Bbyoohoo

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 10:33 pm Click here to edit this post

Nan wrote:
All of the HGs have had some endearing moments in the house...


and especially on tonight's telecast...I especially enjoyed meeting Josh for the first time in the Red Room. On the live feeds, he was very low-key and hard to get to know.

Tonight, Josh was animated and ALIVE when he talked about being the saboteur, then later, lounging in the living room, was sweetly vulnerable when he disclosed to Curtis, after being asked by Curtis, if he (Josh) still had feelings for Brittany.

You veterans, tell me if I read too much into their conversation, if I'm way off base: Did I intuit ... correctly ... that Curtis also has a more than passing interest in Brit and was perhaps feeling Josh out, i.e., to see if the coast was clear for him to pursue a relationship when they all got out, hoping that Josh had feelings for Jordan instead?

Watching, I had a sense that Curtis, knowing that early on Brit had specifically asked to talk to Josh on the phone over the other HGs, himself included, then quickly reined in his feelings for her -- and sincerely -- wished the other chap well, the lucky chap being his friend, Josh.

Just like the true gentleman that Curtis is, knowing then that Brit's affection for Josh would not go unrequited, he was immediately happy for his friends.

That moment endeared me deeply to Curtis. Now if that wasn't a master playing the game of love and friendship with amazing grace!

Bbyoohoo

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 07:53 am Click here to edit this post

Hi,ho, hi ho, off to work I go...looking forward to seeing whassup when I get back. See ya when I get back. Play nice. Keep the faith.

Spot

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 08:02 am Click here to edit this post

Bbyoohoo,
I find your analysis of the HGs in your analysis amazingly insightful. I also enjoyed the exchange between you and Ken, even though I know zero about Ayn Rand. (Well, now I know a little...)

As to the Josh-Curtis-Brit relationship, your guess sounds about right on the money to me. I always felt that when Brit was in the house, Curtis really had strong feelings for her, but curtailed them for probably many reasons. Brit was an intersting character - acted very, very immature through much of her stay, but that apparently didn't override the attraction they felt for her.

Katie

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 02:15 pm Click here to edit this post

Bbyoohoo,
It just happened again right now. In response to a question from Eddie, Curtis just explained about the money for pro bono work. He would continue to do the job for the government and do the pro bono work on the side. He explained that doing pro bono work, he personally would need malpractice insurance and couldn't afford it. If he won the money he could afford to do the work because he could afford the insurance and the expenses.

Bbyoohoo

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 09:46 am Click here to edit this post

It's me, the latecomer, again, bopping in to check in. I've never been so grateful for the common cold. A first. Thank goodness, for this cold, as I discovered BB and some great television programming for a change.

I literally hurried home from work in time to see last night's telecast. It was a GREAT show!

I loved the disclosing of the HG's past nominations around the kitchen table -- among these four, there has developed a delightful and strong esprit de corps (group spirit), a palpable sense of union and camaraderie. Out of this intense and unique BB experience for the past three months, a sweet comradeship has been born.

Curtis and Eddie set the tone of friendly candor, coaxing Josh to open up (and he did) and inviting Jaime to share when she came to the table. It was such a positive experience!

Even if they voted against each other, they seem to all have a clear perspective and mutual understanding clearly understand that it was...all in the game, forgiving each other with their laughing and high spirits.

I loved watching it!

Just when I thought it couldn't get better, the show concluded with the dancing. I'm so glad I videotaped the show, because I played it twice again thereafter, hooting and hollering with them. Again, Eddie and Curtis lead the pack, and got right into the spirit, creating the now famous Trinitron dance. Having one leg is no handicap for Eddie, when it comes to dancing. I was entranced with his cool moves.

And then there was Curtis.

Braddah can dance!

(That's pidgin (creole English) for poster Jade, from Hawai`i, to enjoy. E howzit, seestah! How everything stay at home? Maika`i? An' yeah, like you, I teenk Curtis da man!


Curtis was fantastic -- especially, in view that the dancing was literally sprung on them. His instant choreography was stunning -- "flat screen! 32 inches! stereo speakers!" He danced with sheer, uninhibited abandon. With glee! With spontaneity! With joy for life.

Curtis is a happy soul, as is Eddie!

I'm only sorry that there are only two more telecasts left to uncover more of these unexpected Curtis and Eddie talents.

Later in the evening, while we were still basking in the glow of the telecast, we were FURTHER treated with what was going on the live feed -- Produce Baseball.

It was a total HOOT! The child in each of them came out to play, full-force, touching the child in us. We were then completely distracted from watching the Olympics, and got fully involved with the HGs' joyful raucousness. Loving every moment of it, we went to bed with happy hearts, chuckling.

I can't wait to get home tonight to watch what is now my all-time (after three days, hehehe) favorite BB experience:

Produce Baseball!

Mosessupposes

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 11:01 am Click here to edit this post

(attack against another poster deleted by moderator -k)

Fenixtx

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 11:14 am Click here to edit this post

Bbyoohoo, ignore Mosessupposes's rude comments. I think he's just constipated.

Whatever

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 11:19 am Click here to edit this post

"I think he's just constipated."

Really? I thought he was letting it out.

Bbyoohoo

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 12:58 pm Click here to edit this post

A poster named IronChef posted this about Curtis:

"Not a hint of ill-will, self-pity, being uptight...He controls his judgment and condescension in instances, where (others) criticized the others, taking glee in ...mocking."

Mosessupposes, who failed to leave his/her "meanness at home" could learn from Curtis. Offensive, insulting, and immature, his/her post flagrantly violates the Rules of this (mature)board, as well infringes on "everyone has a right to enjoy reading this board too," as espoused by the moderators. Moot for Mosessupposes, but perhaps not for others less anti-social, but prickly, a reread of RULES OF THE BOARD may be in order.

Like the HGs who are in the home stretch with integrity intact, let us post with selfsame integrity to the end of this BB experience, respecting the code established by the fine people, who make this board possible:
Respect and tolerance for each other is our code.

In my culture, the worst sin is intentionally hurting another. Mosessupposes' intention is clear. I pray for him. As Mother Teresa, would say, "He is still my brother." I wish Mosessupposes well. I wish Mosessupposes joy.

Bbyoohoo

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 05:23 pm Click here to edit this post

I hope Curtis gets a pug one day. He fell head over heels in love with Pugita, and even said, "I love you" to her a couple of times as he bid her goodbye.

I too suffered from allergy to dog fur. But I love dogs (actually all animals, but especially dogs) and when I graduated from school, a primary motivation to get a house with a backyard was to add a dog to my life, allergy be damned. Our first was a Sheltie pup, with lots of fur.

And poof, my allergy abated! Since, we have three more dogs! No problem. Now, I want a Pug, too!

Go Curtis. Get that pug when you settle down! Chance `em!

Bigbromo

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 07:25 pm Click here to edit this post

Oh, I'm in the wrong thread! I thought I read the title as: "Curtis: Clearly the WEENER."

Bali

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 07:28 pm Click here to edit this post

What I've seen so far is clear. Curtis haters have no class whatsoever.

Bali

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 07:29 pm Click here to edit this post

Not to mention the fact that they can't spell.

Bbyoohoo

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 01:40 pm Click here to edit this post

Aloha!

I just came across this site, and thought I'd share it with the rest of you: CURTIS-ISMS. Enjoy.

Whether you're a Curtis fan or not, you gotta grant him this: The guy is funny, a quick wit.