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Whatever

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:07 pm Click here to edit this post

Guess that policy just doesn't apply to George-a-phobes and haters with nothing better to do but post their hate-filled messages on this board and harass George's family, friends and supporters.

Congratulations, you win.

This board is now officially yours.

Laurie

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:24 pm Click here to edit this post

"Please read the Announcements area before posting on this board and look for existing 'conversations' to post under before starting new ones. "

Additional request by this site, in which it seems people can not follow. I have counted over 20 currently running threads on George that could well have been condensed, while there are many on all the HG, George by far seems to have the most. This is in addition to the threads that I have seen moved or closed by Moderator because they are redundent.

Can't people take responsibility and try and find a thread to put there comments so the Admin. and Moderators don't have to do all this work. It would only take poster a couple of seconds longer to look and it would make the Admin's maintenance of this site so much easier. It's like going to a party and trashing someone's house.

I assume this site has put these requests up because things are alittle out of control and very hard to maintain. Can't we all help them so that we can keep having a place to exchange our opinions?

Jaybear810

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:24 pm Click here to edit this post

I used to try to defend George against the haters, Whatever, but they are determined to excoriate the guy, they don't care for what, or how they do it. The even insult his family and friends. Unfortunately responding to their hate just gives them an excuse to repeat it ad nauseum, so I've decided it's best to just stay out of those threads and let them preach to their hate-filled choir while patting themselves on the back and congratulating each other over how righteous and clever they are.

Adamblast

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:28 pm Click here to edit this post

Just like Will, Jordan and Karen before him, George has angered many people. He has certainly angered me. I've said so. Is that wrong of me?

I don't recall YOUR being so offended by the tone of the boards, Whatever, until the criticisms were aimed at the HG you hold dear.

I would point out that your posts defending him are often extremely nasty, bitter and ugly.

Pugsrugly

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:29 pm Click here to edit this post

Jaybear, why do you keep making these kinds of post when for days we all had to read your hate filled posts concerning Jamie? I feel your being a hypocrite, when you want to spew your venom toward Jamie in every thread you can find it is OK, but when others offer their opinion about George then all of a sudden your a proponent for non-venomous posts.

Bbfanatic

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:33 pm Click here to edit this post

adamblast
i agree

Somabro

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:46 pm Click here to edit this post

Jaybear810 wrote:
"so I've decided it's best to just stay out of those threads and let them preach to their hate-filled choir while patting themselves on the back and congratulating each other over how righteous and clever they are."

I congratulate you on staying out of the "hate-filled threads" regarding George. Besides, you are too busy posting in the "hate-filled" threads regarding Cassandra.

Blowupthehouse

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 07:09 pm Click here to edit this post

Whatever, Jaybear, give it up guys- have the cojones to admit that George is indefensible, and that's why your going to pack it in.
He reminds me of that study that showed that people who are incompetent believe they are more capable than others, which compounds their incompetence. You have to admit, it's not his hata's, he's done it to himself.

Banish_George

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 07:09 pm Click here to edit this post

Moderators,

Whatever has been guilty of posting many hate-filled messages against many posters here.

Petunia

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 07:30 pm Click here to edit this post

Jaybear, Pugs is right. We all have our favorites and don't like to see other people say "bad" things about them, but you really need stop attacking people who disagree with you.

For what it's worth, I believe that the majority of the discontent on the board lately is a direct result of the fact that some of George's fans can't seem to handle what the rest of us have learned to deal with when the HG's we like have done something controversial. For example, I like Brittany, most people don't and there are a lot of 'anti-Brittany' threads. Do I dive into each one and have a hissy fit, calling them all 'hateful' or whine about them to the Moderators? No. I scroll quietly past them, and let folks express their own opinions. It makes my visits to the board much more enjoyable.

Moderator

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 07:32 pm Click here to edit this post

ENOUGH! To quote Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

Good grief, people. You're making our lives a living hell trying to keep up with all the bashing that's going on around here! It's just not humanly possible considering there are only a few of us and multitudes of you. All the moderators have full-time jobs and cannot possibly stay on top of what's happening on this board 24/7. We're doing the best we can. New topics are popping up at an exponential rate. People who try to start positive threads are being bashed for it. Folks who have formerly posted mean things and realized the error of their ways aren't being allowed a second chance to speak.

Here's the deal:

  • Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
  • It is not impossible to post a negative opinion without being vindictive and hateful. It might take more thought, but that's not a bad thing.
  • It is okay to disagree. It is not okay to jump down the throat of someone who disagrees with you.
  • Everyone needs to read their messages before clicking the Post button and think about the way it's going to be "heard" by other posters. If someone sent you the message, how would you feel? Civility is what we're after here, folks.
  • When there are multiple threads bashing one of the HGs and someone opens a new one posting "love" for that HG, it is not necessary to go add your negative opinion in that thread. Use the negative threads. Not everyone agrees with you or cares about your opinion. That's life.
Is all this so difficult? Should we simply throw in the towel, go back to our jobs and watching BB for fun (believe me, moderating these boards is quickly removing fun from the equation), and let you chew each other up however you please?

I hope you feel the answer to these questions is a resounding NO. If not, then I don't know why we (the moderators) are wasting our time here.

End of my rant. Thanks for reading.
(c)

Ryn

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 07:33 pm Click here to edit this post

sheesh

i am not "moderator" but let me say just this

EVERYONE GROW UP!!!!

sometimes this place makes me feel like i am settling disputes between my seven and four year old.

AARRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

part of me will be happy when both george and britt are gone (and I am now sure they will both be gone before the end).

Of course it will then be the eddie and jamie lovers to fight it out (or whomever).

i need a break - everyone pick up your marbles and go home!!!!

Twiggyish

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 07:35 pm Click here to edit this post

Standing up and applauding PUGS! I am not sure what the topic is of this thread so I just want to add thank you to the moderators.

Lancecrossfire

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 07:40 pm Click here to edit this post

Laurie, I noticed that of all the responses after your message, none dealt with what you stated. Possibly because yours was very issue oritented, with much less negative emotion than the rest.

I tried to ask others to step back in a thread that was created about #3 in line after the first thread that really jumped George and what was happening. Asked people why it was ok to say how starting a voting block move for him so was horrible (as in unethical), yet one against him was perfectly ok. Only got a little nibble.

And of course in another post, someone who suggested toning it down a bit was accused of being that person's mom/dad. So much for attacking the post/idea and not the poster. Same as when another poster gets called an idiot, stupid, moron, or in one case a few days ago, a "F%&#in' A-h*$e" I mentioned that to the person who got called that, the person was out of line in their response. She was pretty good about it, although the person orginally saying it never did offer an apology.

You asked if we can't all help them (I'll assume you mean the moderators) so we can have a place to exchange our opinions...I think 1) that people are exchanging opinions; just that some may be a little over the line, and 2) we can help them so it's more in line with what the admn is expecting--at this time some don't seem to want to help. It's going to be impossible to find a line that everyone thinks is right. Secret is to find one everyone can accept!

Seems we are guilty (at least to some except)of doing what we protest others doing. Hey, passion about something does that sometimes (not saying it's ok to do, just indicating how it can happen)

For all the posters that are accusing each other of filling threads with hate and vile against who they don't like, then getting on a soap box when someone does it against their favorite---I expect I could get flamed for saying things have gotten out of hand, although I hope that no one can say within the flame I've been guilty of hate toward any HG. If anyhting I can be accused of saying IT'S JUST A GAME--if someone doesn't play well or play correctly, they will have a price to pay.

Lucky trhing is, if George is gone on Wednesday, these will disappear, and we will move on to someone/something else.

Laurie

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 08:34 pm Click here to edit this post

Lancecrossfire, I do consider coming here a privilege, as it is stated. This site belongs to someone, I have heard Neil. I liken this site to being invited into someone's home. When you are invited into someone's home you respect the amount of effort they put into making things nice and if they ask you to leave your shoes at the door, you take them off and leave them. What has been going on with these boards is like not only not taking off your shoes, but putting a cigarette out on their carpet.

The site operators have made it clear when people come to post they would like for them to follow some basic rules. To me what is asked of posters, is a no brainer. You are exactly right and in the exchange of opinions there is not going to be any secret as to what is right but like you said, one that others can accept and that takes some thought on the posters part. It also takes responsibility to consider chosing your words in a way that is sensible and respectfully to the opinion you are addressing.

I have come to this site many times and seen the same topic posted several times and just reworded.. but it is the same topic. Right now there are two threads just started off by what is happening on live feeds and both are about the same exact things... Eddies comments to Cassandra. It only takes a few seconds for a poster to scroll down and see that the topic already exists and all they need to do is add to the thread already running. Now sometimes it is going to happen that the person is new and for that we could all understand... (I, as a new member made the same mistake, and I feel terrible that I created work for someone to move my posts to the right thread. Not to mention what an idiot I felt like for not being in the right place to start)and occassionally, two people are going to be typing about the same thing at the same time and end up posting a minute apart, neither knowing the other was doing it, it was not intentional.

But I sat here over the weekend and as I read from post to post I saw numerous items that had to be closed or threads that were moved because they were in the wrong topic. I saw over this weekend that people were repeatedly asked to look for existing topics before creating new ones. I witnessed many threads closed because it was the same exact thing that another thread was covering. This creates work for the people assisting with this site... and if the two posts from Moderator and Ryn are any indication all of this that has been going on is a frustrating endevour to people that have lives and jobs and I would guess are probably volunteering to assist with this site. It is a basic matter of courtesy to them and to the others that use this site to take responsibility when posting.

My experience has been that when things seem like they are uncontrollable they are usually abandoned. I would really hate to see people who work, and I am quite sure it is a plenty of work, abandon this site because some people can not respect the rules or even be willing to try. It is a good thing they are doing and the least we can do is to respect their efforts.

You are right, lucky thing is if George is gone so will be the posts... but the unfortunate thing seems that next it will be someone else that the masses have moved on to posting about. If they don't learn some respect between now and then it will be the same thing all over again, for people (site operators) that quite frankly, probably do not need this grief. That was my point in asking why we all can't help so we will not lose something we are all enjoying.

I apologize for the length..however I do feel we can give the slighest back to the people that are providing us with something we so enjoy.

Moderator and Ryn, please accept my most heart-felt gratitude for all you are doing, have done and hopefully will continue you to do!

Moderator

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 08:53 pm Click here to edit this post

Laurie and Lance - as one of the people who posts as Moderator (there are several of us) your comments are very much appreciated and welcome. Thanks for taking the time to write all that out. (g)

Huntingbuddy

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 09:17 pm Click here to edit this post

Whoever, or Whatever, that keeps spamming these boards claiming anyone disappointed in George is a "george-a-phobe" or "george-hater", you need to understand many of us actually loved him and wanted him to win before he lost it this week. I thought he was a great, genuine guy who deserved to win, BUT...

* I have been disappointed to see him degrade himself by BEGGING for support;
* I was shocked to see him pull that sick catsup stunt after that awful tragedy;
* I was offended to see him do this racist stereotyping of Arab peoples;
* I was hurt to see him express homophobic behavior in harrassing Joshua over a remark and not letting it drop; and
* I am seriously unhappy to see a great guy cleary fall apart on tv because he cannot handle the nomination.

I love George, but am afraid I have to vote for him now after seeing him in a whole new light.
Whatever, understand most of us have been affected by his actions, not by any feelings of hate or phobia on his behalf. Actually, please understand how hurt we have been by watching our Hero show his dark side.

Gail

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 09:26 pm Click here to edit this post

Huntingbuddy - nice post - I like George a lot too. He is not my pick to win but I really like the kind of person he basically is. He is a man who has been married for years to his wife and has 3 children he loves. He helps out in the local community and I am sure the people who know him, really like him. While some of his antics this week have been a bit on the weird side, it is my sincere belief that he did not mean them to be evil or mean. I can't help but think the redroom is egging him on and encouraging him in these silly things he is doing. I wouldn't put it past them. Yes, he carried the Josh thing too far. He just doesn't seem to know when to let up. Probably one of his worst faults is that he has a good heart and tries so hard to be funny but just falls short of the punch line.

Laurie

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 09:28 pm Click here to edit this post

Hunting,

Whatever, Whatever, did do, didn't do, should have done, could have done... does all the George stuff really belong yet again in this post?

If Whatever is doing all of this couldn't you address it in the thread where what you say was done is orginally posted?

Hunting, I do not know what you say Whatever did is or isn't true... but at some point can't we all agree to disagree? Isn't that what makes us all wonderful is that we have different points of view? Sometimes can't we walk away and let it go?

I don't mean to sound as if I am picking on you, I truly am not. But it seems like we can exchange our ideas without offending one another. Thanks for listening.

Lancecrossfire

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 10:01 pm Click here to edit this post

Moderator, Laurie,Huntingbuddy, Gail--nice discussion, even if a bit soft for what's been happening lately! Intorspective is nice once in awhile. Moderator--if you were the one that closed a post earlier tonight from getting sick of everyone re-hasing too many times, I'd like to say thank you. If it wasn't you that posted as "Moderator", then thanks to whomever it was! I had been looking for a good thread that wasn't Georgre related--not because I'm not interested in George--just wanted to cover another topic. There were a couple, then I thought, "nope, I'm going to jump in and say what I was thinking" (guilty as charged!!).

Too bad you guys get "hate mail" from those that don't like the choices you make. As Laurie said, it is "your house", and we better party in control.

I had said in another post that George has played his hand, and by most accounts, played it poorly. This week, it's kind of like tournament bridge--everyone gets the same cards, just depends on how you play them to see who wins!

As well as kudos to the moderators, I also think just about everyone here is a decent person--maybe a few just had too much beer! I think it's time to start a post on something covered in the live feeds--unless someone already has! haha

btw-If there is ever an Eddie/Jamie battle, the board will light up! (IMHO) I see them playing better, and the board being reflective of that as well. I look forward to that game!

Curtandeddie

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 11:33 pm Click here to edit this post

I am new to this board and could not believe the hate for this one individual. Sure he's not the most couth of guys, but he is certainly no Hitler. All of this reminds me of the episode of Seinfeld where George parked in the handicapped parking space and a riot ensued. It is really mind boggling. No, I am not really a George fan, as you can tell by my name I prefer Curtis and Eddie overall. I just think people are blowing this all out of proportion. You would have thought he'd burned a cross on Cassandra's yard the way people are carrying on. Really sad. George is not evil, just a bit thoughtless. I don't believe he would ever intentionally hurt anyone. Just my two cents.

PS I wouldn't ordinarily bring this up, but I am of Arab descent and George tonight was just being silly. I'm not hyperventilating over his little act tonight. And Moderators, you have my sympathy as you obviously have a handful with this board.

Lancecrossfire

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 11:46 pm Click here to edit this post

Curtandeddie--thanks for your perspective. Not because of the way you were or weren't affected either.

Sxysdy

Tuesday, August 29, 2000 - 04:53 am Click here to edit this post

For unmoderated discussions please go to forumuniverse.com/bigbrother. They actually allow these types of discussions on some of their boards. Freespeach's comes to mind... I think you will find people more willing to debate these personal feelings there w/o the moderators deleting everthing...

Flint

Tuesday, August 29, 2000 - 08:11 am Click here to edit this post

Sxysdy;

I have been with Neil's boards for a while, and I take umbrage with your comments. There is NOTHING inhibiting discussion here. Actually, there is nothing by the moderator(s) doing that. What has been inhibiting discussion are the actions of some people who would rather post attacks and a lot of venemous BS demeaning anyone who doesn't agree with them. If you think THAT behaviour is discussing or debating things, then you have a much different definition of it than anyone I know.

What it comes down to is common sense and common courtesy. Reading what Moderator posted, that seems to be the gyst of what they want. It IS possible to make a negative post without insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you, resorting to slurs and banalities, and spamming umpteen threads with the same comment over and over. A little respect for those who maintain and use the boards shouldn't be that much to ask for.

In your post you say "I think you will find people more willing to debate these personal feelings there w/o the moderators deleting everthing... "
If you honestly believe that the behaviour of attacking people who disagree, being rude, crude and obnoxious is part of debating things, you need to look into what a debate is. A debate REQUIRES that respect and common courtesy be exhibited, or as the Moderator put it civility. That way both sides of an issue have a chance to express their view, rebutt, and maybe even learn from each other. A free for all with name calling, slurs, nasty taunts, and other sundry nasty remarks is not a debate in ANY sense of the word.

Lately I haven't been around the boards much. There are 2 reasons for that. The main reason is an injury to my right arm that precludes a lot of computer use. The other is that I am tired of the way threads degenerate into acrimony and attacks. It gets old fast. I like a good debate, argument, and sometimes even a good fight. However, when it starts to become the norm, and a person cannot post a question without being attacked it gets old fast and I lose interest.

One of the reasons I was attracted to Neil's board was the level/quality of discussion. Having visited the AOL chat room, and another board which turned me off by their childishness, I found the BB Fan Club. Except for a few people, you could hold a DISCUSSION on topics, a debate. I liked that.

I don't think they are asking too much when they talk about not creating umpteen versions of the same thread. If I remember right, one of the problems with the original site for these boards was that the number of topics at a time was limited, and they could only take 100 posts before a thread HAD to close. I find it annoying, as someone who uses/reads the boards, to go into a thread that says it is one topic, only to find it is about something else. Something else that appears in 10+ other threads at the same time. Even in THIS thread, which was started about what is or is not tolerated, people have quickly moved into ANOTHER topic that appears in alot of threads already. In most cases the same people are making the same comment over and over. If the moderators close a thread down for that reason, I applaud them for cutting down the spam, and centralizing the discussion threads.

Neil, and the other moderators, do this for FREE. They do it because they enjoy BB, enjoy the board, and want to make this available to us. I used to be an admin on an internet game, an LPMud, for over 6 years. I did it for free because I loved the game, and liked most of the people playing. BS politics aside, it was enjoyable. In the end, it got to be too much, there was too much BS from people who felt that their way was the ONLY way. It stopped being fun, so I retired and rarely go back. What happens if it stops being fun or enjoyable for Neil and the moderators?

Thats just ...

My 2 cents, and my gratitude to Neil and those who maintain the boards.

Pugsrugly

Tuesday, August 29, 2000 - 08:17 am Click here to edit this post

I think I'm just a dense as George. I can not seem to read posts more than two inches tall!! I need someone to give the Cliff's notes, I'll pay you money - the money with the big heads on them!