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Dianali

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 06:33 am Click here to edit this post

This is part of the Jamie-AOL chat transcript posted in Outside the House. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the transcript.

Is it true? Is Eddie an atheist? Has this been discussed before? At this late point, would it make any difference to people if he were?


HOST: Amazing moment. And I think you nominated Eddy five times, he nominated you four. I find that fascinating, both in the top four yet you continually nominated each other.

JAMIE: it's just natural. It's hard for people to identify that you become so close to people there and really what you're doing picking amongst friends. You have six friends, you have to pick two. Now in this case, three friends, pick two and Eddy and I just by chance happened to bond probably the least
of anyone in the house and he and I are polar opposites on so many issues. You know, he's an atheist. I'm not. He thinks feelings are a week
-- weakness. I think feelings are the point of life. The feeling of love,
happiness, humility, friendship. It's the point of living. We're just very different people. At the same time, that's how you get to grow, with differences.

Techhead

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 06:42 am Click here to edit this post

Eddie had said early on that he turned atheist as a result of everything he went through with his cancer. I seem to remember him having some rather unkind things to say about the priests who came in while he was in recovery.

Bkmac

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 06:44 am Click here to edit this post

Old news- remember him and Mega arguing over it?

Dianali

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 06:52 am Click here to edit this post

Thanks, I didn't see a couple episodes of the show, nor find this site until a couple weeks into the show. I appreciate the info.

Casper

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 07:00 am Click here to edit this post

I didn't know this!

But now that answers everything for me any way....
Eddie has the "devil" in him..JMO

Most folks get a 2nd chance at life "don't go" that direction. How strange.

I'll never change M O of him.

Techhead

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 07:07 am Click here to edit this post

Casper, to me, it's another sign of how strong Eddie's personality is. It takes a lot more strength to put faith in one's self vs faith in an unseen entity.

Think of it this way. If Eddie had gone the other way, he would have said something like, "I've been through a lot, put God will take care of me." This is in comparision to, "I've been through a lot, but I'll pull my self up to make the most of things." Which sounds more like something Eddie would say?

Matty

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 07:33 am Click here to edit this post

As I recall - Eddie told Brit that he DOES believe in God - but not in organized religion. (Big difference from being an atheist.) And I also think he said something to the effect of: "I do believe in God, but I'm not going to tell these people (other HGs) that." - pretty consistent with his desire/choice to remain faithful to himself and his family - and not bond particularly.

Any Eddie fans remember if I got this detail right??

Franny1

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 07:38 am Click here to edit this post

Everyday I get more scared as I read these threads. So now anyone who doesn't have your beliefs is the devil. Does that mean that anyone who believes in evolution vs Adam and Eve are devils? If this young man believes in love of family, cares when someone is truly hurting (Brit), and feels strongly about someone's positive character (Josh), then as far as I am concerned he can believe whatever he wants and we have no right to judge.

Webtvlurker

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 07:46 am Click here to edit this post

Eddie has said he is a deeply spiritual person and DOES believe in God. He just chooses to worship Him w/o organized religion. That does not make him an athiest.

Bkmac

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 07:50 am Click here to edit this post

Webtvlurker- Eddie called himself an atheist to Mega after dinner on one of the first nights. He DID say in a conversation, I believe with Brit, later that he believed in God in his "own way", but he has never intimated he is a deeply spiritual person- can you clarify where you are getting that from?

BTW- I agree it is BS to make stupid comments about Eddie having the devil in him because he doesn't believe what another poster believes.

Techhead

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 08:25 am Click here to edit this post

Guys, calm down, Casper's "devil" comment looked to be more in mocking.

Sounds like Eddie may want to look at the Unitarian church. It seems to draw in a lot of people who are disenchanted with the existing Christian denominations. And this is coming from someone who has a "Darwin-fish" on his bumper.

Annah

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 08:50 am Click here to edit this post

Eddie is agnostic/Deist ...like Thomas Jefferson.... believes in God but not in organized religion... that's quite a bit different than being an Atheist...

Some of the most spiritual people I know are not attached to one religion over another, but strongly believe in God.

It doesn't make a dimes worth of difference to this game show...just as it makes no difference if Josh is a lapsed Catholic or Curtis is a buddhist or Shintoist....that is all between them and their God.

None of our business.

Kitkat

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 08:58 am Click here to edit this post

Curtis said in his first interview that he is a Christian.

Georgeisagoner

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 09:01 am Click here to edit this post

I remember the conversation Eddie had with Britt also. He does believe in God, in his own way. Because he does have his own unique experience at a young age with his cancer, he looks at things much more realistically than most. Maybe his interaction with the Priests made him feel less than perfect. As a young child he may have perceived "cancer" as something that happened to him because he was bad. I feel Eddie has an enormous amount of strength and compassion. He may not be religious but I see a young man who is so inspirational and full of life & joy.
Yes, he swears ALOT, but I think he'll snap out of the frat mode the moment he sees his mom!
There is so much he has going for him, most of all he loves his family and they obviously love and adore him back!
For being only 21 years old, he is wise beyond his years. I feel of all of the BB Hgs, he knows he didn't want the BB experience to change the person he is.
While Jamie has said she bonded the least with Eddie, he obviously didn't feel he could open up with her. Not a big surprise to me.


OK, just my 25 cents!!!!

Have a Nice Day

Battlestar

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 09:02 am Click here to edit this post

Matty---I remember that conversation with Brittany too--that he wasn't an atheist but didn't participate in an organized religion.

Techhead---OH OH --I want one of those fish. I've been looking for one!!!

Shayrainb

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 09:18 am Click here to edit this post

I am christian and do not believe in "religion" I believe in "relationship"maybe Thats what Eddie meant.

Kirabira

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 09:36 am Click here to edit this post

yes i totally remember eddie saying that he believed in God but didnt want to get into that on TV. Also in the RR .. he mentioned this same thing I believe after a convo with jamie, where she kind of assumed he didnt believe in God and he didnt bother to correct her..but maybe it was really after the convo everyone remembers with britt....?? I remember the RR asking him about it--so it must have been on one of the TV episodes-- saying again that he had beliefs but didnt want to get into this type of discussion... does anyone else remember this???

Bkmac

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 10:33 am Click here to edit this post

Still wondering how any of this makes him "deeply spiritual".....

Battlestar

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 10:35 am Click here to edit this post

I am just thankful that religion wasn't made a major topic in the house---or politics.

Delia

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 10:35 am Click here to edit this post

Techhead wrote: Casper, to me, it's another sign of how strong Eddie's personality is. It takes a lot more strength to put faith in one's self vs faith in an unseen entity.

It certainly does, Techhead. I couldn't agree with you more.

I don't think one should assume that it is the christian God that Eddie has faith in, if he said he believes in a God. Hope this helps.

Delia

Techhead

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 10:36 am Click here to edit this post

Battlestar,

http://www.atheists.org/catalogue/

Battlestar

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 10:44 am Click here to edit this post

GRRRR---they ran out of fish!!!

When they come in again---I think I'm going to get the Science Fish instead of the Darwin Fish---then again maybe both.

Thanks Tech !!

Matty

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 10:53 am Click here to edit this post

Delia - good point but Eddie's family is Catholic. So - one could make an assumption (which we all seem to do on these boards anyway!) that whatever beliefs he has have been shaped by a Christian theology. I'm not trying to claim that he is - but it's a plausible guess, given his family background.

As Georgeisagoner points out - a lot of his faith (and his personality in general) has been shaped by his cancer experiences. And I got the feeling somewhere (but I can't recall the specific convo) that the church's (Catholic) help for his family during that time did not sit well with Eddie. Sometimes it's hard for kids to come to a reconciliation with God as good and bad things that happen anyway....I know, I know - we have a hundred other stories that go the other way....kids who become very faithful and religious in the face of adversity. But keep in mind that as an active child, Eddie faced a huge change in his abilities. Perhaps he had someone telling hims that it was God's will....and that's a hard thing to grasp - never mind accept.

JM2C

Sixtieslibber

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 11:04 am Click here to edit this post

One of the VERY best things about this site and about the show is that there has been almost no mention of religion either pro or con. The Internet is rife with sites on every aspect of religion and non-religion and there is continual coverage of these topics in other media. Thank God for all who've given it a rest here. (Please no discussion of how I intended the previous statement.)

I hope this thread gets closed immediately!!!

Columbus

Friday, September 29, 2000 - 11:10 am Click here to edit this post

I am a cancer survivor (breast cancer, mastectomy,
chemo., and radiation) and there were a lot of times when I felt that God had deserted me and when I was really sick I use to say to my husband
"there is no God because if there was he wouldn't
let me suffer like this." But, everytime I had to
have a test of some kind I still prayed to God
that I would get a good report. I don't consider
myself an athiest and I certainly don't have Eddie's attitude and language and am not
looking for sympathy. Everyone handles a serious
illness differently but I was not 10 years old
when I had my illness and I understood what was
going on because I am in the medical field and
I wonder which is worse..to know or not to know
what can happen to you. I didn't have the fear of
the unknown like Eddie did. Do I condone his be-
havior? No!