Lord of the Flies Retribution and Revenge!
The ClubHouse: Big Brother 2000: General - Archives:
Weeks gone by:
Lord of the Flies Retribution and Revenge!
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 04:20 am  The "Lord of the Flies" moment finally came. And who is Piggy (the character the rest of the boys gang up on and eventually kill)? Josh. Curtis dyed Josh's hair blue while he was drunk. Even though Josh appeared to want this, Eddie was certain he did not and refused to take part in it, saying he would never dye someone's hair blue while they were drunk. Curtis seemed to get a perverse pleasure out of it, and out of brutally making fun of Josh on several other occasions. Incredibly passive aggressive behavior. Curtis appears to be jealous of Josh. I would even say he HATES Josh! I'm glad he has shown what he really is made of. It appears he has gotten back at Josh for Josh having voted for him so often. |
Brzer | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 04:44 am  Ocean Islands- we will be in the minority on this topic. |
Kuh | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 04:47 am  Like I said before, unless reveals himself as Satan, he's got my vote to win it all. Your last-minute attempts to sway votes make you seem pathetic. |
Webrover9 | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 05:34 am  This is the final bashing post I will read. If the one you have chosen to win is all that great then you shouldn't have to resort to this kind of crap! |
Solos | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 08:07 am  Ocean I have to agree with you.......Thank You for putting it out there the way I saw it too ! Dam..I am so pissed at Curtis!!!!!!!!!!! |
Nance | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 08:20 am  yes Ocean_Islands I also have to agree with you & solos. I felt like I was watching a hazing,Curtis making certain Josh was the brunt of the jokes. I don't care what you want to claim about bashing & haters,(Kuh & Web) I am neither of the two,I have a right to my opinion as you do too "Kuh" & "Web" just because my opinion differs from you doesn't mean I hate or dislike anyone,it just means I don't like what they have done. It is pathectic that you have to bash someone because you think they are swaying or trying to sway the vote lmao.It again is thier opinion and this is why we come here to openly argree or disagree about things about BB.Most already know who they will vote for,this just gave me a very rude awakening towards one of the remaining hgs.I was very surprised by some of the antics last night,again that is just me. May the best hgs win.... Peace |
Dollandra | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 08:36 am  I was under the impression that Eddie was saying "broken ****" jokes and "gay jokes" just as much and just as loud (if not more) than Curtis. Eddie even called Josh an "ignorant f***" more than several times in a loud booming voice. Sure, Curtis dyed J's hair, with JOSH'S AGREEMENT....Eddie said (while C was in the RR)behind C's back that he would "never do such a thing". Yet, I find it amazing that not once did Eddie tell Curtis to stop, or not do it. Nope..instead, he laughed, and he laughed HARD. It's hair dye..it CAN be changed. Why, all of a sudden is Curtis the "bad guy"? Almost as if he were the only one involved in the entire night... Oh, I guess Eddie was the only one being "real" right? Sorry, I don't buy it. I just don't understand why people have to constantly turn someone into a villian. |
Bigbroal | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 08:44 am  Right Dollandra: Josh knew what he was doing. |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 08:51 am  This is not a bashing thread. It is a description of what happened between the guys last night. Eddie is most definitely responsible as well. Sure, Josh said yes. A few minutes before passing out drunk. What if it was a woman? Would you still agree that the person wanted this act? |
Lynnseamonkey | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 08:54 am  Josh knows better than to drink like that. Curtis knows better. Eddie knows better. Big Brother knew exactly what they were encouraging.. not only did they provide the alcohol, they stressed that the guys shouldn't worry about drinking it all, because more would be provided for Thursday night. BB voice (NO external interference, eh?) continuously goaded all of them into more and more outrageous behavior.. nothing that drunk guys wouldn't do or say but this was caught on the internet, etc so could haunt them. Yeah they are adults. But.. a bartender or a bar can be held liable if they continue to allow someone to drink past a certain stage (perhaps this only applies to someone who is free to leave and drive?) and BB waited long past the time when Josh was over the line before they decided to cut him off (sort of) Lots of contributors. I'm judging them and voting based on the whole three months in the house, not one drunken night (and yes I was around to hear it all) So often when one drinks, one doesn't "remember" what happened.. but Josh will have to face his drunken self on video.. maybe, just maybe he'll learn? I suspect Curtis won't be all that pleased with his own video commemoration either. |
Petunia | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 08:55 am  >Curtis appears to be jealous of Josh Jealous of what??? Does he long for Joshua's tapioca-like personality? His simian features? His proclivity towards self pity? The alleged intelligence, we've yet to witness? You're assigning nonsensical motivations in order to skew the events of last night, and I'm just not buying it. The boys wanted to have fun last night and they did. Josh has already admitted to doing questionable things (ie: having sex with a girl he had just met) while under the influence, so maybe the blue hair will be a wake up call for him. |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:12 am  Maybe it will be a wake up call for Josh, who knows. Curtis is jealous because he's not as easy going with women as Josh is, can't you see that? Curtis was subtly condescending to George, and now to Josh. Curtis is a very sly character. He is manipulative and passive aggressive. |
Twiggyish | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:15 am  I think Josh is a big boy. Plus, Eddie was just as guilty as Curtis. Either way, they were all drunk as skunks. (It doesn't excuse it, just explains it) |
Simonshado | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:16 am  Curtis is jealous of Josh ... BWAHAHAHA ... That's the funniest thing I've ever seen on this board. Jealous of the orange down his pants, maybe, but really, this is the most widiculous allegation yet. Give up, Deep Blue Ocean, you will not sway my vote. In fact, because of last night's hijinks, I will actually spend .99 cents more on Old Blue Hands!!!! |
Zelgar | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:20 am  Ocean Islands: I think we all know your opinion, since you've posted it on every thread about what happened last night. Can you please just give it a rest. |
Petunia | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:47 am  >Curtis is jealous because he's not as easy going with women as Josh is, can't you see that? I completely disagree with your premise. Curtis built solid friendships with at least 3 of the women in the house- in fact, there was much talk of how easily Curtis seemed to relate to and along with the female HG's. So, *no*, I can't see that. In fact, I think it's one of the silliest things you've ever written on the board. |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:53 am  Well, I assume from your handle that you are a woman -- I could be wrong; if so, please excuse. So, take it from a man that jealousies regarding women run extremely deep, and it has to do with sexuality, not friendship. Zelgar: Sorry, but the gloves are off and all the stops are pulled out for the final finish. While I won't resort to bashing other posters, I'm letting it fly on the subject matter. |
Zelgar | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:05 am  Ocean Islands: If you were referring to me and not Petunia, No, I'm not a woman. BTW, my previous message was not intended as a flame (sorry if it came out as such). My only "issue" in regard to your posts was that it seemed like you were repeatedly bashing Curtis in every thread that dealt with what happened yesterday. After the first few messages I think we could see what your feelings were on this manner. All I was trying to say is that I think everyone knows what your opinion on Curtis is and additional bashing is not needed, but feel free to do whatever you want. I don't need to read your messages like you do not need to read mine. |
Petunia | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:12 am  Fine. Based on sexuality what did Curtis have to be jealous of? For all of his bravado, Josh proved himself to be quite an impotent stud, didn't he? As a woman, let me tell you this: we're much more attracted to strength of character, ambition and intelligence than we are to bare chested toy boys. Since Curtis has obviously spent a great deal of time with women, he most likely knows that as well, again leaving nothing for him to be jealous of. As for pure animal magnetism, Eddie's got it hands down over Josh. |
Hinten | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:22 am  Petunia - Josh = tapioca - LOL What I still do not understand is how Jellyfish ever got this far. |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:31 am  Is it bashing a houseguest to say that they failed to live up to something, or did something wrong, in my honest opinion? I don't believe so. I would say that houseguest bashing is when you are being hateful or personal, such as the hate posters do, or the hate banners, or the needless personal attacks on physical appearance (for instance, Jamie's chin or something). I like Curtis very much. I also like Eddie. I take exception to some of their behavior and say so. The other part was addressed to Petunia, sorry I didn't make that clear. Petunia: To clarify, I think Curtis is jealous of Josh's sexuality towards women. While it's true he didn't get laid, he got a lot farther than Curtis did down that road. |
Azriel1104 | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:52 am  OMG! I agree with Ocean Islands! ~faint~ I don't know if I would go so far as to say Curtis hates Josh, but there was a point when his behavior towards Josh suddenly became not funny to me. It was the tone in his voice and the look on his face. I remembered him in the RR implying things about Josh. Also, Josh seemed a little to much like he was going along with whatever because he just wanted to be liked. I remember his sloppy drunk convo with Jamie at the pool where he said he changed himself to please people. I have always liked Curtis and was not looking for any reason to dislike him, so it was especially disturbing to me. |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:58 am  Azriel1104, you brought out a very important point which up until now I had not even considered -- the comments that Curtis made about Josh in the RR early on. This is further support for my observations -- thanks! |
Spright | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 12:07 pm  "Is it bashing a houseguest to say that they failed to live up to something, or did something wrong...?" I think it's wrong if you're bashing the HG for failing to live up to something that you've concocted in your own mind and are not holding anyone else to, like Curtis's alleged wish to be a leader of the house. Personally, I don't agree with your theory concerning Curtis's wish to assume a leadership role. And I haven't seen anyone trying to hold the behavior of Eddie or Josh up to that standard. It would be different to complain about a HG not living up to a standard that the rest of the HGs are also being required to hold. |
Zelgar | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 12:22 pm  Azriel1104: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Curtis was telling Jamie that being nominated forced him to reconsider his behavior and actually open up to the others. I don't think he truly changed himself to please people, only allowed people to actually get to know him. Ocean Island: Which of the following ways would you like to be led: Being told to do something, or be presented with an intelligent reason to do something? I think most people prefer the latter as it gives them control and I think that is also the preferred method of management (let the person decide based upon respect). |
Fenixtx | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 12:26 pm  Lighten up everyone, the game is over as far as I'm concerned. The guys were just celebrating victory and releasing the tension that being locked up for three months had caused. This kind of stuff goes on all the time, and was pretty tame compared to what I've seen. |
Lafatme | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 06:57 pm  ocean, it's bashing when you say "curtis SEEMED to get a perverse pleasure....even HATES josh" this has nothing to do with curtis, it is simply your twisted perceptions. that's on you, not curtis. these guys were bonding, playing, and getting close. as a man you should understand that. josh was not a victim, he played along too. the proof is there today, they're ALL laughing about it and josh is having just as good a time with the others as before all this perversion and hatred went down. you're post is ridiculous. period. |
Bigbromo | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:02 pm  Now that Curtis has lost his little plaything Jamie, his true character is showing. He has a nasty, vindictive, passive aggressive side that he is showing in his treatment of Josh. Curtis has been jealous of Josh since the first day...Josh is everything that Curtis wants to be...but never will be....cute, masculine, straight. Hey if the hairdresser fits..... |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:02 pm  Well, on tv is certainly seemed innocent enough, didn't it. Then why did so many posters agree with me, who saw it on the live feeds? Are you a victim of poor editing? I don't know the answer to these questions. I think Curtis does have a problem with Josh. Obviously I'm not inside his head, and it is speculation. But the speculation is based on real observations. |
Bigbromo | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:15 pm  I agree. Curtis is acting very creepy. Kind of like the closeted guy who beats up or is mean to anyone he perceives is gay....just so that his own secret is not found out. Too late, Curtis. We know already. Weird. |
Bigbromo | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:17 pm  I agree. Curtis is acting very creepy. Kind of like the closeted guy who beats up or is mean to anyone he perceives is gay....just so that his own secret is not found out. Too late, Curtis. We know already. Weird. |
Kuh | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:19 pm  Bigbromo - You're acting creepy. Are you, mayhaps, in love with Curtis? It's okay to admit it, because I sense the subtle gay overtones in your obsessive posts about Curtis. I like gay people, so don't be afraid to admit it. |
Chestnut | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:44 pm  Haha, Kuh. YOu said it. I totally agree. |
Katie | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:36 pm  Me too! |
|