Archive through August 17, 2000

The ClubHouse: Big Brother 2000: Live Feeds - Latest News: Live Feeds Suggestions/Comments: Archive through August 17, 2000

Scoobettenq

Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 03:28 pm Click here to edit this post

Loyce, glad you did. It really is animal cruelty what they're doing to that dog. Pugs aren't known for their resilience. They're high strung and easily upset, and this one came IN with a host of medical problems. I hope they remove the dog and place him in a stable home.

Rollerboy, I do understand what you mean. It's just hard to be completely unemotional when posting commentary. I don't insult the HG or make rude remarks about them, but this was circumstantial and explained the surroundings. What you saw about the dog was people getting extremely frustrated and upset at trying to decode what was being said. Even you said you had to mute it. :) So while "dog continues to bark" as a postscript might have been very PC, it definitely didn't adequately display the irritation factor of listening to it...lol :D I was royally pissed - both at having to listen to it, and at the fact that they're torturing this poor animal.

Rollerboy

Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 05:13 pm Click here to edit this post

The frustration was clear, just distracting. Again, you all do a great job Scoobetteng.

Loyce

Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:00 pm Click here to edit this post

I am glad others agree with me regarding the dog, I wish more people would contact PETA and CBS to complain...I firmly believe the PTB picked this little dog as a irratant..(Sp) Thanks for the backing...

Ryn

Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 07:57 pm Click here to edit this post

Loyce, why don't you start something in general discussion about the dog & peta!!!! I am sure others would love to add their thoughts.

As for the editorializing, the important thing is to try to set it aside just a bit so those of us reading later are not confused & trying to figure out if the poster is editorializing or quoting someone (I have been confused a few times recently when facts/editorials seem to run together).

Thanks again all - its been great keeping up via posts!!!

Jana

Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 08:11 pm Click here to edit this post

ok....time for my two cents....if you have not done this "posting thing" then it is hard to understand...we try very very hard not to editorialize, but when you are watching intently as to not miss anything and posting, you get very involved, and it is hard to keep your emotions from spilling onto the keyboard...i agree that that comments about "what a brat brit is" or what a "bit(h karen is" should be kept to a minumum, but as far as things like dogs barking or the planes...these ARE things that define the moment, and i think it WAS important to express how BB was toying with the dog last night (btw, i too have contacted PETA)..let me stress that what we NEED to do to avoid confusion is PLEASE make sure that when you editorialize that you put it in parenthesis as to not confuse people....but all in all we are all doing a great job and to those of you that have doubts....come on wit ya bad selves...try this posting job yourself! i commend all of my fellow posters..please appreciate the carpal tunnel syndrome that we all are getting (will CBS pay for that?) love always

jana

Nance

Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 10:36 pm Click here to edit this post

Jana you do a great job of posting with 4 live feeds up Thank you.
For many of us having promblems with net congestion,alot more planes...please keep in mind the hgs compound is directly in the path of one of LAX's flight patterns. Plus this week we've had the democratic convention there,hence more air traffic...net congestion....plus the dog barking,chickens BALKING(not to mention George joining them) also additional helicopters because of protesters.

Curious

Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 12:32 am Click here to edit this post

A giant THANK YOU to all those posting (and a big HUG for them's that don't mind hugs from strangers, hehe)!!! I've had to cut back my viewing time lately because my S/O is feeling kind of neglected. Thanks for taking the time out to post these updates so folks like me don't feel like we're really missing things.

Chichi

Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 02:26 pm Click here to edit this post

hello all!! I need help!!!
Is there a way I can get live feed even though I don't use AOL??? I have internet explorer and netscape...can anyone advise me? I would love to be able to see what is going on!!
If you can help, please answer in "Internet for dummys" language. Thanks!!!!

Lindarebecca

Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 03:46 pm Click here to edit this post

First, thanks to all who do the live feeds, you do a great job !!! I have one peeve about it though, (I know it's hard to keep up but...) there are at this time two guests with the name beginning with C (cass/curtis) and two with J (josh/jamie) so at times it's hard to know who you are referring to when one of you types "j: blah blah.....C: blah blah blah.

Just a little thing, minor, you ALL do a great job.

Jana

Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 05:02 pm Click here to edit this post

hey Linda: in the words of Bratney, i "totally" agree with you....i personally don't do this....i would encourage the "feeders" to at least type:

Cass, Curt, Ja, and Josh....its not that many more letters...i know its hard, but it IS confusing to many when you just use the initial, thanks! great job everyone!
jana

Cathie

Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 01:36 pm Click here to edit this post

I'm new here - just found this site and LOVE the live feed messages. We have a major firewall here at work and can't even use RP, so I really enjoy being able to know what's going on in the house.

To make this a relevant post, do you think they have told Karen in the RR that she will be going? She is so damed sure of it that I wonder if they reassured her that she will be leaving. She doesn't say "I will probably be the one to go", but that "I am going!"

Whatever

Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 09:38 pm Click here to edit this post

Suggestion/request regarding General discussion-

Please keep topics current longer, i e. more than 2 days+ before archiving.

(Because new conversations are starting, instead of continuing already existing threads.)


Thanks.

Ryn

Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 09:49 pm Click here to edit this post

Whatever - you might post that in the regular discussion area - but let me try to explain WHY we can't keep things active. As far as I know the topics are only archived after roughly 2 days of INACTIVITY (no new posts).

Last tiem I checked there were about 80 NEW threads being started a day. That means you have to wait for 160+ topics to load every time you look. That takes time (look at the bottom of the browser - last I looked just the page to list the topics in the general discussion was 160k+), while some folks have cable modems or dsl, some of us at home are still using 56k (or less) modems and 160k is A LOT to wait to load.

If people spent a little more time looking for a thread relative to their thoughts, then there would not be so many threads to look through. But generall a lot of people think their idea/thought is unique & so they just post away.

Hope that answers your question.

Wendo

Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 11:54 pm Click here to edit this post

Hello Ryn!

Great job on managing the board and all the many posts, I'm sure this is a very time consuming job <pats Ryn on the back!>.

I'm posting this message tonight Ryn, because one, would it be possible for you to clarify, once and for all, in bold type, the policy about editorializing - perhaps even posting it at the top level where the "This is where YOU can post..." message is.

I post here when I can contribute and help (this mornings dawn bbq for instance) and I admit that I do editorialize on occassion. I continue checking this topic for comments and complaints regarding my posts, but haven't seen my name mentioned...yet. :) I do my best to keep the aside comments to a minimum.

Personally, I've felt that I haven't strayed to much into editorializing, but some comments in the feeds section today/early morning (8/17) suggest that there could be a problem.

Basically, when I logged on to catch up on the BB house I read this message from poster Janine:

<Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 09:24 pm>
"UGH..PLEASE STOP WITH THE SIDE COMMENTS!!!
Distracting to make editorial comments!!"

Now, I'm not trying to point out Janine from the group, so please, fellow posters, don't see it that way. However, I did find this post a bit of a bummer. While I wish Janine would have posted her comments here, it is obvious she is upset as evidenced by her use of all cap screaming.

As many of the live feeder posters here know, when you get drawn into the action, it's easy to drop in personal comments; and I understand that it can be distracting. (Though, I admit that I find the ed. notes interesting and amusing. Also, I enjoy reading what others are thinking as the feeds unfold.)

Also, I think we all editorialize a little, as regular folks with opinions I think it's difficult to avoid. (In fact, when I read through some of Janine's earlier posts, I read some editorializing by her as well. No big deal for me personally. Again, not pointing fingers, just pointing out that sometimes, it's something we all do.)

The second reason for my post is that I don't enjoy coming to this board and finding posts like above. One thing I enjoy about BBFan Club is the respect and gratitude we all show each other. Screaming to the posters, who put in so much time and energy to report the house news to those who can't get the feeds, seems to me a bit rude and thoughtless.

Just my thoughts and two cents. If I've offended or crossed the line, I will accept my banishment from my fellow boardguests. :)

So, Ryn, is there anyway to resolve this issue?

Bigbrofan

Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 12:58 am Click here to edit this post

The reason I get annoyed is because Janine or someone else posts like that, then they turn around and do the same thing. That's going to cause fights to ensue and take away from the live feed area. I really enjoy the live feed area. Janine this is constructive criticism and I'm only pointing you out because you're the last to do it. Your (ed) make me LOL!! We disagreed yesterday but you were the first one to post that I was right as soon as you found out. That really impressed me a lot! Earlier you posted that the side comments detract. This is a post from you a few hours later. (Hilarious believe me I feel the same way but it's full of side comments)

Well Eddie finally left the love bed. Don't know where Cass is. Curtis got ready
for bed a lil while ago. As soon as Eddie left, Jamie called for Brit. Brit! But alas,
Brit is sound asleep and Jamie has no one to talk to about her feelings for Eddie
tonight. Jamie grabs the poor dog who now thinks her name is Pugita and grabs
her and embraces her. Jamie now caresses the lovely Chiquita.
Oh wait..people in the living room. Cassandra, curtis, and eddie.
Eddie told to put his mic on. Guess Curtis isn't tired ..i think that's what he just
said.

So everyone does it. Most of us don't complain so I wouldn't worry about it too much, if so then maybe post it here rather than on the live feed board. Just my opinion, not trying to argue!

Ryn

Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 10:09 am Click here to edit this post

I am too worrn out to type to much but let em explain a little. I delelted about 4 posts above Janines that consisted of ...

"OMG!! You can hear eddie in the RR!!"
and

"alert alert!! eddie on live in the RR"

and
"I can't believe they are doing this again - is anyone else watching???"

on the whole last night I deleted roughly 12 posts that were pointless and several of those were leading up to Janines.

Yes, its a fine line we walk and I have been known to break my oen guidlines and get a bit too editorializing at times. A good clue to me seems to be when we are topping 200 posts for a day. That usually means that there are a lot of little tiny posts & it is so hard to read them because you have to keep changing from one poster's style to another.

Anyways - things have been pretty darn good lately. One other comment though.. please don't post something and include in it (you can delete this whenever ryn). Its a PAIN to delete messages. It was simple on the other board but here I have to log into a different area and work my way through the tree & so on and so on.

Ok, I'm done ranting - resume your lives

Jana

Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 10:13 am Click here to edit this post

i dont see ANY instances of editorializing in the above example? all i see is a very articulate post that is descriptive and paints a perfect picture of what was going on at the moment...while i understand that Janine probably should have vented her frustration on this board rather than the live feed, i don't think the example above shows ANY editorializing at all...maybe the part that says "don't know where Cass is" but that is just explaining why she isn't commenting on her and also helps the other "feeders" to look for Cass themselves...this helps us add to others conversations...often the posts get redundant, so we try to take different conversations at once..see? maybe Janine only had one cam up and she didn't see Cass, while i had all four up, so then i would know in my next post to explain that.....people....we really are doing the best we can...you have to type SO fast to keep up that often we don't even have time to review our posts before we post (after i hit submit, i takes almost a minute til i can start posting again and i dont want to miss an important part)....i understand some people's frustrations..but unless someone is really really just BLATANTLY editorializing (i.e. that Bratney is griping again, does she ever shut up?)...then please let us be....it is a learning process for us all...and to this point the only problem i see is a lot of overlap...but that is something we just have to put up with , because so many people truly want to help...just cut us some slack please...not everyone has experience in writing and typing and viewing..etc.....again, as you said BigBroFan....this is just my opinion after having done this for a little while now...i'm not trying to argue....and one more thing is i really wish if there was a specific problem, then try to email this person directly..after all of Janine's hard work, it is unfair to point her out and possibly deter her from posting in the future..besides the fact that she may not even read this section and know that this has even been an issue :) love you guys Jana

Jana

Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 10:15 am Click here to edit this post

p.s. ok sorry Ryn, point taken, no more delete requests :)

Rollerboy

Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 10:39 am Click here to edit this post

Chichi-did you ever get live-feeds working?

Bigbrofan

Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 11:53 am Click here to edit this post

Ryn- I didn't see those posts. Jana the phrase "but alas jamie has no one to talk to about her feelings for eddie" is an opinion thus an editorial. A similar statement was made on another board and it caused a huge war. That's all I meant.

Teecee

Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 12:05 pm Click here to edit this post

Just adding my whole two cents on the deleted live posts and Eddie in the RR bit last night. I'm pretty sure I was the first one to post about hearing Eddie's RR audio last night. I put up a short post b/c I was on F7 (and also hearing Curtis etc.) and couldn't transcribe it w/o switching to F2 and missing a few seconds, and I was hoping that other ppl who had also tuned in could contribute. As it happened we then got like 4 more posts of ppl also alerting the board, then 5-8 very good transcripts of Eddie's conversation in the RR. Looking back and reading my first post (before it was deleted) I realized that it sounded like an editorial or discussion note (esp. the false rumor about Ed talking trash about Brit, which I apologize for), but my only intent was to alert other ppl to get on the job.

So, I'm sorry that I offended Janine and others by getting a bad post up, but I think it was somewhat justified in that we ended up with several transcripts and a very good idea of what exactly Eddie said in the RR. Is there a better way to alert ppl quickly about what's going on and get help? (not a rhetorical question)

Another two cents about editorializing (so now that's four :)). I read the live feed updates here for several days before starting, and I haven't been bothered by the editorializing at all. Most ppl are pretty good about keeping comments in parentheses or marked as 'ed.' - maybe better than at Joker's if it's okay to say that :) I think ed. comments are quite useful, as long as they're clearly marked and not incessant bashing of ppl, b/c it helps ppl reading them to understand the mood of the house and the ppl watching the live feeds. (Although ed.-only comments are quite useless.) It's interesting to me to read the byplay btwn ppl covering the feeds as well as the feeds themselves, as long as it's kept to a minimum. Makes for better reading. :)

Ryn

Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 12:25 pm Click here to edit this post

hey guys - we are all doing our best :)

I guess maybe if folks had a chat room running while the feed was going (neil has a link to a java chat room off the main page). Or if you all wanted to get on ICQ (sorry - I HATE other messaging programs). I know some folk's computers won't do multiple things at once (chat AND live feed AND this bboard). I don't have a suggestion as to how to avoid the random questions answers that occur.
Its just a little reminder - and it will have to be stated again as we have added 200 users since monday and some people don't like to read the guidelines, or follow them even if they did (this is NOT directed at anyone in particular once again).

It will never be perfect and last night was very hectic.

Ya know its funny - there are times when NO ONE is posting and I would give anything to have a post - even one WITH editorials. Its true that when we have 4 people posting the same thing we tend to pick them apart and thats not fair.

I have posted basic "guidelines" for posting in this area and thats the best we are gonna do without alienating people.

And I suspect we all like the way we write our posts and so we might be critical of others. Just remind yourself that if that person had not posted you might not even know what happend.

I am constantly worried about upsetting people when I say anything "critical" or negative. But as ole curtis said - some days I just "suck it up" and let loose.

We have all gotten spoiled by how this board took off. Myself included. Some of us juust started posting one day & it mushroomed. Now we expect 24 hour posting and on top of that - no comments!!! Oh well, as long as no one has any hard feelings that is what is important.

All in all everyone does a GREAT job. Lets keep it up!!!!

p.s. Jana - hehe - its ok - I was just stressing last night looking for posts to delete.

Ryn

Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 12:37 pm Click here to edit this post

oh - here is another point.... just somethign I saw (wow - toddysou ROCKS!!!! what a great job of posting this morning).

someone, it doesn't matter who (and I don't know) - posted to toddysou "great job!!" - now thats cool with me. Then he/she said "you don't have to tell us when you are posting" (toddysou put "posting at the bottom of his/her post)

I have done that at times in the past, and the reason is that I am sorta trying to make the piint that I want to get this much posted - but I am still here writing. For soeone reading it lets them know "more to come from me"

so I don't have a problem at all with someone putting "posting" at the ends of their post.

ya know, I just spent 5 minutes writing this and I am wondering if it was even worth it!!! lol

I think i need a break - I am starting to overanalyze!!!

posting... (no more to come though)

Jana

Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 12:52 pm Click here to edit this post

poor ryn! why don't you go take a bath and relax....you seem tense today :) i know this is all such hard work for you...poor thing!

Jana

Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 12:53 pm Click here to edit this post

oh and p.s. , yes chichi got her feeds working :)