Battlestar | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 05:44 pm  Britt wants advice from Karen--Karen doesn't want to give it--she's leaving...and she is feeling guilty about blabbing the last time. |
Battlestar | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 05:45 pm  karen tells Britt that she just hasn't met her Soul Mate yet.--keep losing the feed |
Battlestar | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 05:49 pm  Britt says she feels closer to Karen because she did tell her things---Karen says she feels bad that things that she has said have hurt her so bad. |
Ender | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 05:50 pm  Outside, Jamie has gone straight to Josh about what Brit has been saying. (I came in at the end) Saying how much Brit likes him and he should say something. Jamie has asked Josh to come to the bedroom so they can clear things up. Josh out of pool, drying himself off... slowly (probably dreading another showdown) |
Battlestar | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 05:55 pm  Feed #3---Britt and Josh are having it out--but I keep lossing audio |
Janine | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 05:58 pm  Josh, Jamie and Brit having talk. Josh comes in and puts his arm around Brit. Brit says - I'm only here b/c Jamie wants this Josh - I have this pact b/w my friends that if a girl ever came b/w us.. Brit - You're not a guy in b/w two girls..let's get that straight!! (sounding pis*ed) Brit - Why do you keep lying to me then Josh - I'm much better friends with you than I am with Jamie Brit - well I didn't know about this talk with you and Karen after the beet wine Josh - I haven't lied. I said I wouldn't try anything with Jamie while in the house. Afterwards..who knows. Brit - (on verge of tears) It's not about whether or not you like Jamie...it's not about what can happen..you can like Jamie..you can be in love with her for all I care Josh - If you ttwo are friends I'm not going to come b/w that Brit - but what about the night in the love bed. You had just finished talking to Karen Josh - I don't have feelings for Jamie. i barely know her. All I've said is that she's pretty..I like her...no feelings yet..totally different thing Brit - then why did u tell Karen that that night you want to date Jamie Brit - it's not about liking us it's about lying Brit - still on verge of tears - Josh - how am I lying You tell me that I am lying...I've been nothing but honest Brit - but you say something different when you are with Karen..unless Karen is twisting your words around Josh - I told Karen that I could see myself dating someone like Jamie b/c we are so similar Josh - not worth hurting anyone's feelings over it though. (Karen in background singing Oops I did it again) Brit - I wanted to trust you and believe everything you said was true. Brit now crying Josh - Jamie has nothing to do with this Jamie - I want everything out in the open. This has happened twice. |
Battlestar | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:00 pm  Josh says that he has said over and over that his friendship with the two of them is the most important thing...and that he would not have a relationship in the house with anyone....he says he has told her over and over again....and she keeps going back---how many times does he have to stress it .Britt asks why did he tell Karen that he had feelings---he says that he didn't--he said out of all the girls he could see himself with her---and that he said that 4 weeks ago....but he barely knows her. (He's getting mad) He's not in love with anyone-- |
Ken | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:01 pm  Josh tells Brit he never said he "has feelings" for Jamie and he doesn't...he only started to get to know her in the past week (Jamie watches impassively). Josh said all he said is that Jamie is attractive and some one he could potentially date. Brit accuses him of lying about stuff. Josh says Karen mis-stated what he said if she told Brit that Josh said he has feelings for Brit. Brit says she wants to trust him, but ... Josh says it's not fair that Jamie got caught on the sidelines. Brit: accuses Josh of lying yesterday when he told Brit there is nothing between him and Jamie. Josh: says that's the truth, he is just getting to know Jamie. Brit: Imagine how it feels to be me, to hear from karen that 5 min. before we went to bed that Josh said Brit is not his type and Jamie is...after the big talk we had, about honesty... You lied to me by withholding information. You lied to me. |
Laurie | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:06 pm  Karen and Cass in kitchen. Karen is cooking. Curtis is joining her and they are singing, "Opps, I did it again." Cass is sitting at the table writing and trying to think. George is out in the garden. Karen calls him in to eat. The dog is sleeping. The dog is going to the vet tomorrow in the afternoon. Karen is hoping the dog will be back for the live show or in the studio so she can give her a kiss goodbye. Karen would like the dog and Agnes on her lap for the live show. Curtis is asking where everyone is... no answer from others.(I believe they are in BR talking--- Josh, Jaime, and Brit) Karen sings more. Curtis is setting up a card game and wanting George to join in. Karen is drinking everyone's soda and doesn't care "she is going home tomorrow." (Sings) "I am going home I have done my time..." They tell her not to be so sure. She says she is sure she will be gone tomorrow. They are planning the dawn b-bque even though BB told them no. They plan to go to bed and wake up at 4am. They insist it is legal for them to do dawn b-bque. Karen whispers to Curtis, Josh will never talk to her for the rest of her life. She says she told them what he said again. She says she told Brit because she knows how Brit is and she needs to know. Karen is pissed at Jamie for bringing Josh in and confronting him in the bedroom with Brit. Karen says it is so underhanded what he is doing. Brit would be mad at her if she had not told her that Josh liked Jamie better and was playing her. Curtis is saying he can't even take a shower without missing something. |
Battlestar | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:07 pm  Josh says that he would never come between 2 friends---Josh says to say it honestly thaat he would rather be good friends with both of them than to date them. Britt says that being friends holds a lot of weight---she wanted to trust--she wants to believe that the things Josh says are true---he says they are---Britt says but Karen said--and josh interupts and says 'Exactly--what Karen says. Josh says Jamie is caught in this when she shouldn't be |
Max | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:07 pm  Jamie asked Josh to come and talk to Brit and he did. Jamie, Josh and Brit in the bedroom. Josh is trying to explain himself again. Brit keeps saying he's lied to them. He says how? She says what he said to Karen was that he would like to date Jamie on the outside and then he turns around and is all nice to Brit like something is possible. He says no, that's not what he said to Karen. He says he could see himself with someone like Jamie, that they seemed to be a lot alike, but that nothing would happen in this house. He says he would never come between friends anyway. He says he barely has gotten to know Jamie. Brit says it's the way he says things. Josh keeps trying to defend himself. B: think about the night you drank the beet wine. imagine how it feels to be me to hear from Karen 5 minutes before we went to bed how you were talking about how Brit is not your type and you would want someone like Jamie and if we weren't in the house, that's who you'd want to be with. And after all the talk we had about honesty and you never said anythign like that. you lied to me! J: by not saying anything about her? It's like saying there's this girl out there that I've never met that I might want to potentially date. And we did have the conversation about you and I would probably not date. I told Karen there might be potential there, maybe, if we were outside this house. B: you knew how i felt about you. the last time you talked about Jamie to me, it was saying she was like a sister. J: I didn't even know her then, that was a long time ago. B: you had an obligation to tell me your feelings had changed, as a friend! you had an obligation to be open! J: you're making it out like I had feelings for both of you at the same time. It's not like that. I never did. There's not going to ever be anything in here. It's like okay, maybe she's not like a sister. Maybe I'd like to date somebody like her. There's no substance there. Why would I bring that up? B: I guess it had enough substance to eat Karen up for a couple of days so she finally had to say something. J:I don't know whatKaren would think. silence J: Tell you what I told Jamie. I stay outside all day every single day because I don't want to come between you guys. I don't want anything to happen and I'm not going to let it happen. I do care about you Brit very much and that's why I stay out there. I don't want anything to be taken out of context. I talk to Jamie about 5 minutes every day. What I've told you about how I feel about you has been 100% honest. I haven't told you any lies. If you feel like I should have told you this stuff about Jamie, I'm sorry, but it doesn't have any substance. Through all this, Jamie has just been sitting quietly. (I have to go to bowling league! ACK!) |
Janine | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:08 pm  Brit now getting angry. But you should have told me and instead you told Karen. So you lied. (Ed. doesn't she remember the well convo) Josh - I was honest with you. Brit - no u weren't ..you told me that you thought of her as a sister. You lied to me. Josh - Nothing would ever happen b/w me and Jamie here. We did have that conversation bout how you and me would make better friends than date. Josh - why should I even bring up Jamie's mind if nothing ever happened. It's just potential. Why throw that in the mix? Why bring it up. Brit - I think you should have brought it up b/c u knew how I felt about you...last time you talked about Jamie you said that you saw her as a sister You had an obligation after the sh** that happenede b/w us..that things had changed. You had an obligation as a friend to say your feelings had changed. Josh - it's not like I had feelings for Jamie at same time as I had feelings for you. That's not that the situation here. Brit - i guess it had enough substance to break Karen down. She thinks you're bad news. Josh - I don't want to come b/w you guys Brit - Well you could never come b/w us! Josh: I really do care about you whether you believe it or not Brittany. I don't want you to take things out of context and that's why I spend all day outside. I have never todl you any lies about how I feel about you. Nothing to this Jamie thing. Nothing to it. Do you really think that I don't care. You have to know that I care about you. Brit - I want to think that you do Josh - I do care about you Brit - wiping tears away - I just feel like a total sucker. I just feel so gullible I feel like i'll never learn. Brit then covers face with a pillow and Jamie puts her hand on Brit's leg. Brit - something about how guys never like her Josh - I developed feelings for you that I never expected. I never told Karen or anyone other than RR about this. I didn't expect anything to happen..but it did...and i grew feelings for you..maybe because of that (did they mess around???) If I walk tomorrow I'm happy for your sake not mine b/c I don't want to cause you trouble in here. I don't want you to feel like a sucker so dont think that you are. |
Battlestar | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:12 pm  Josh keeps saying over and over again---there is nothing between Jamie and him---and his sister comment still stands true because with the conversations he has had with Jamie (next to none) that's all there is. Back to Beet wine night---Britt says Karen told her that he said Britt was not his type--that Jamie was--how was she suppose to feel?? Britt says that he lied by withholding information about what he said to Karen about Jamie---that their honesty conversation meant nothing. |
Battlestar | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:14 pm  Josh doesn't understand (and neither do I) why should he mention Jamie when he talks to Britt about things |
Battlestar | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:16 pm  Britt says he should have brought it up---because he knew how Britt felt about him and he had an obligation to Britt to tell her everything he felt about Jamie |
Deanie | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:16 pm  feed 4 brit and jamie waiting for josh. jamie arranged meeting cause she doesn't like what's happening. jamie is trying to get karen to come in for the meeting, too. karen doesn't want to. jamie wants what josh has to say to be inthe open. karen doesn't want to come in for the meeting. Brit is sorry that Jamie is involved. Josh is here but Karen won't come in. Josh hugs Brit. Brit says she's not upset. Brit is only here because of Jamie. Josh and Jamie say this is ridiculous. Josh says his friends are like this that if a girl comes between them they would not let a girl come between them. Josh does not want to be between 2 girls (breaking up their friendship). Says there is nothing between Josh and Brit. Brit says that Josh lies. Brit says that Josh has conversation with Karen about Jamie. Brit says 3 days ago Josh told Karen he wanted Jamie. Josh says barely knows Jamie. Brit says that's not the issue. Brit says that she thought that she and Josh were going to be friends. He wants to know why they're not. Brit says the point is not about him and Jamie. The point is that the last night he slept in love bed he told Karen that he wanted to date Jamie outside the house. Josh does not want to break up friendship with girls. He wants to be friends with both girls. Josh says he does not have feelings for Jamie. Does not know here well enough yet. Josh likes Brit. Brit says it's not about liking us -- it's about lying to us. Tweaking what he's saying to different people. Josh - how have I done it -- how have I tweaked it. Brit: but you say something different when you talk to Karen. Josh: Only thing I told Karen is that he could see himself with someone like Jamie. Not worth hurting anyone's feelings. Would not do anything to hurt either Jamie or Brit. Josh: I would rather be friends with both of you than to date either of you. Brit: I wanted to trust you and believe everything you said was true. Josh: It was true. Josh: Jamie has nothing to do with this. Jamie: I just want everything in the open. This has happened twice with karen. Josh: Jamie has no part of this -- she's just caught in the middle. Josh: Would you rather me say that I would not have any interest in Jamie? Brit: You said that she thought of her as a sister. Karen said that you want Jamie. Josh: There's nothing between me and Jamie -- I hardly know her. At that point I did not know her so I thought of her as a sister. Brit: think for a moment. Imagine how it feels to be me to hear from karen that 5 minutes before we went to bed you said that Brit is not your type but Jamie is and she is the one that you would want. We had a big talk about honesty and you lied by withholding how you felt about Jamie. Josh: Nothing is happening between us. Potentially could meet someone else. Brit: You're not honest because you didn't tell me. Josh: why should I bring up Jamie's name if nothing is happening? Why mention it-- why throw it in the mix. Like a fictitious character. Brit: you know how I felt about you; the last time you felt like she was a sister; had an obligation after seeing how I was to tell me that your feelings changed -- not to say what I want to hear. Josh: you are saying that I had these incredibile feelings for Jamie when I also was having feelings about you. That's not true -- no substance because I do not know Jamie well enough. Why should I bring up something that was never really there. Brit: It had enought substance to eat Karen up for a couple of days. Karen thinks you are bad news. Josh: I spend time outside every day because I don't want to come between you guys. I do care about you whether you know it or not -- so that what I say will not be taken out of context. The last couple of days I have talked with Jamie more and so I know her a little better. I have not lied to you. I have not held back any information about Jamie because it has no substance or bearing on us. Do you think when I came in here last night that I didn't care. I have to care. Brit: I want to believe but I was thinking about it but it's like everything you've done -- Josh: or havaen't done. Brit: I just feel like a total sucker. I just feel so gullible. I feel like I am never going to learn. (crying) I just don't know how many times I can keep believing in someone and they disappoint me. Josh: well, I'll tell ;you something -- something I've never told Karen. I developed feelings about you that I never expected. You wre way out in left field and I never thought of us ever coming together. I did begin to care about you very much. But at the same time, there she (Jamie) is doing nothing, and it messes up everything with you. It's almost like tomorrow if I walk, I'm happy for you not for my sake -- that I'm not here causing you trouble; making you feel like a sucker or gullible. I don't want to hurt you like mentioning the other girl from my school. Brit: But that's good becuase y9ou mentioned this but I had to hear about Jamie from Karen. Josh: There's no reason for me to mention Jamie -- there's nothing to it but there was about the other girl. Brit: I'm glad you told me about the other girl but I feel like you can't trust me cause you didn't tell me about Jamie. Josh: You proved me wrong because I could trust you but if something happened between me and Jamie, I would tell you first. Brit: but I don't want that either. (first time posting - hope it's OK) Josh: it's like we're on a roller coaster together and I would drop everything else to keep us friends. Say we are close friends and when we get out and I find another girl, would that be the same thing? Brit: no that's different. If you had come to me this morning, and said that there is something about Jamie, it would have hurt my feelings and bummed me out, but I would get over it. Josh: but it has never reached that level where I thought something wwould happen with me and Jamie. Brit: That's the gist of what I got from karen. Brit: it's the lying. Josh: When I told you about her being like a sister, it was the truth then. I did not know much abaout her then. Brit: I just feel weird. I don't feel that you have feelings about a girl. Josh: Do you want to know how I feel about every person? Brit: No. Josh: I still feel the same about you. Jamie: all I want to say is that I wanted everything in the open. I wanted Karen here too. cause you see what happens when people say things to some people and not other. Josh: Everyone put all the attention on Jordan and you guys, it's funny, because I'm developing these strange relationships but with you (jamie) I've developed more relationship with Jamie becuase I have a lot more in common. Brit you and I come from 2 different worlds but we came together, strangely enough. I'll willing to give everyting up to make you feel better about yourself. Brit: I like who I am. Josh: If you want to hate me, then hate me but how I feel about you has not changed. (Jamie leaving room) Jamie: are you guys OK? |
Janine | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:16 pm  Brit - asks Jamie for Kleenex Brit - said she felt good when Josh told her about the girl at school b/c at least he was honest. At least I didn't have to hear about that from Karen. Josh - ??? sorry..couldnt hear Let's say we were close friends afterwards. Then let's say I met some other girl i liked. Would that have the same effect on you? Brit - it's different. (hard to hear..a lil muffled) I would have thought highly of you if you had been honest with me from the beginning. Josh - but it's never reached that level. There was no possibility of something happening Brit - that's not what Karen said Josh - i wish you could see the Red Room tapes. I am not saying anything differently. Josh - when I told you I saw Jamie as a sister that was like 2 or 3 weeks ago Brit - it's not about a girl..not about you having feelings for a girl Josh - everything that I told u has not changed. I still feel like that about you. Right here right now I feel like that. Jamie - i'm gonna go to bathroom for a second. I wanted karen here too. I just wanted this said in front of everyone b/c u see what happens when people say stuff to other people or whatever... Josh - what i said in the RR was that i'm developing these strange relationships in the house but with you (brit) i've developed more feelings than for anyone in here. We come from two different worlds but they come together somehow strangely enough...i don't know...i'm willing to give verything up for u to feel better about yourself b/c u shouldn't over me Brit - I don't feel bad about myself. At all Josh - if you wanna hate me..hate ME. Everything that i've said to you has not changed jamie goes to bathrrom |
Teecee | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:20 pm  hi, just wanting to help with this convo: josh says he has never had any feelings about jamie - they talk for maybe five minutes a day - his talk with karen (where he first said he liked jamie) came four weeks ago, when he barely knew her. he still barely knows her. brit is mad because she thinks josh lied to her - saying that jamie was like his sister when he was really attracted to her. josh says that he would never do anything with jamie, that he would go to brit and tell her, but that there is no possibility of them dating. he didn't think he would care so much for brit in the beginning because she was "out in left field" (i think referring to her appearance) but he does. he would be glad to walk tomorrow if it was him b/c it would make her feel better... |
Janine | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:23 pm  Josh moves so that he is sitting next to Brit. Brit - if your feelings are strictly friend feelings for me..i have to deal with that..and some day my feelings for you will go away josh - i liked you more than as friends to be honest with you. I'm attracted to you..and i still feel that way. When I say that we are better as friends it's b/c we would probably have a tumultuous relationship b/c we are so different. it's not the case that i see u just as a friend. I care about you. I would gladly walk away from this if i knew that it would make u happier. (ed..i'm on the verge of tears folks..for real!) Josh - I told you about the other girl b/c there was some substance there. Brit - if i really cared about you then if she would make u happy i would be bummed out at first but then it's like..i mean..it would be good for me..even though it would hurt..if that's how it was supposed to be..you know what i mean josh - this is what i don't understand. Let's say something happened b/w us. Why has all the attention been towards you and Jordan and not Jamie. Is it b/c Jamie has never said anything. She stays out of it. Ok..everyone else is following too it seems so i'll stop |
Battlestar | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:25 pm  Josh says why should he bring something up that has no substance. Britt says it must have substance because Karen told her--Josh says I don't know what Karen thinks--Britt says Karen thinks you are Bad News. (ed:--are they ever going to see this as a Karen issue) |
Janine | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:26 pm  Ok folks..i have to stop...b/c i need a kleenex : ( |
Laurie | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:26 pm  Curtis is talking to Karen asking how the mess with Josh started. Karen says she and Brit were talking in the bedroom and they were talking about relationships and Brit started talking about Josh... so Karen told Brit what she had heard the other day.... (says to Curt) and then on and on. Karen says, she doesn't care about this s*** she is leaving. Interupted by George.... George is paging Dr. Del Rio (laughter). They are talking about the lady that will be in the RR this evening. They don't like her and Cass doesn't want to go in. They don't know her name... Curtis says she has been alright with him though. Karen says she will s*** tomorrow if she is not out of there tomorrow. Cass is asking what Karen will do if she is not the one to leave and if she has a plan on how she will deal with staying in the house. Karen says the doctor says he will be there to help her through. Karen thinks she has no chance of though saying that her attitude has taken her out of there. (Ed-no stuff) The Dr. will be in the studio if he is needed tomorrow night. Cass seems worried that Karen have an alternate plan if she is not the one banished on how to survive in the house. Karen is teaching Curtis and George how to play Skipbo. George is asking about the voting over the phones for banishment... when it stops... others (Cass, Karen, Curt) answer last night (Monday). They are talking about when the voting starts and ends. Cass says there was 2 voting days before Karen made her plea to go home. They talk about how little BB wants to tell them. Concensus seems to think the voting goes Friday through Monday and (if so) Karen would have made the plea when the voting started. Curtis does not remember seeing anything about the voting. Talk turns to learning the card game Karen is teaching them (Curt and George). --nothing more exept cards happening -- posting |
Teecee | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:27 pm  (sorry about that last message - looks like ppl already have it covered - someone pls tell me how to delete it - going to other feeds) F2 karen, george, curtis, cass sitting at dining room table. karen teaching george and curtis to play some card game - cass at the other end of the table doing something (can't see over her shoulder). now cass gets up - looks like there is a paper and pencil on the table??? she comes back - flips over the paper - i think she flipped it when she got up so the cameras couldn't see??? no idea what the card game is - it's not euchre which karen said she would teach them earlier |
Janine | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:31 pm  i'm back..BRIT JUST SAID SHE WANTS TO KISS JOSH! JOSH SAID HE WANTS TO KISS HER TOO. Brit says it scares her how much she feels for him. She can't be friends with him feeling the way she does right now. I want to sleep here with you but I don't ..that's why - Josh speaking Brit - covering her face still with pillow and blanket Josh - trouble is already going on and we haven't done anything even. I don't know if I should even be aroudn you b/c I don't trust myself around you. |
Teecee | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 06:37 pm  F2 just wanting to note that cass is definitely writing something on white paper and pencil..guess they got her the stuff she wanted...she is hunched over the paper but the few times she moves it seems that she is down to the bottom of the page.. jamie comes out and asks who made the coffee - curtis mentions that eddie is outside? attending to 'pee and poo matters'? karen continues to teach skipbo to george and curtis - saying with satisfaction at one point 'u can be as nasty as u want to be' BB loudspeaker comes on and says something muffled..apparently something about water in the house and a small flood? they conclude that it's water from the pool...karen says the pool needs to be filled up tonight... |