Big Brother 2: More sex, less harmony
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Big Brother 2: More sex, less harmony
Lulu | Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 02:26 pm  Today's NY Daily News says Paul Romer is planning to spice up the next Big Brother by enlisting more confrontational guests like Mega and by trying to find a cast where more romance is possible. Also, Romer wants the next session's first episode to start in the house, rather than with a long profile of everyone. He also wants it to air later in the evening, at 9:30 perhaps. AND----he plans to have a houseguest banished every week, not every two weeks! |
Rod | Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 02:30 pm  sounds more like the very successful UK version. |
Ken | Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 04:16 pm  Romer's got a couple problems with his ideas: 1. If the house were full of Mega's and Jordan's, I would never have watched. You need some likeable people in there. In fact, trying to find "confrontational" people is probably just wrong. The key is to find "strong-willed" people. Mega would go out of his way to start an altercation. But it is enough to just avoid people who go out of their way to avoid an altercation. This show had too many of the latter type. In the middle, you have reasonable people who at the same time enjoy healthy debate and won't go out of their way to avoid an altercation. That would suffice. A lot of people who seek confrontation would be pretty boring because I wouldn't like the characters and it would be a 3 month WWF cage match. 2. Is he conceding that they chose the present cast to avoid the threat of sex (which might be too racy for Americans?) I always suspected as much. Dumb move, that. An interesting idea is to look at each cast member and decide how they should be changed to have made the show more interesting: 1. Will... No change. For all his flaws, Will was plenty interesting. 2. Jordan... Replace her with a stripper who LIKES her job, sees nothing wrong with the naked body and has no boyfriend. Geez...picking an EX-stripper, who hates stripping, models and the objectification of the female body AND who has a boyfriend was REALLY dumb. 3. Brit... Trade her in for the same model without the virginity. 4. Karen... No HG's with kids. Karen and George weeping over not seeing their kids leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Otherwise, she was plenty interesting. 5. Cassandra... Trade her in for some one who acts as if the cameras don't exist instead of some one who acts as if each camera is her mother watching her. 6. Josh and Curtis.... Sorry, these two guys are too similar in temperment--bright, calm, friendly, idealistic. I think one is enough. Probably Josh (freer spirit ala the condoms he brought into the house). 7. Eddie... No change. 8. George... See "Karen" above. No HG's with kids. 9. Jamie... Trade her in for a similarly pretty waitress somewhere with no aspirations of Hollywood. That way the person acts real instead of like they are in a 3 month audition. So really, I don't think the casting was terribly far off. A few changes and they'd be right as rain. |
Ketchuplover | Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 04:25 pm  10 people who are there for the dough 1 minabird (is that spelling correct?) |
Enbwife | Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 04:45 pm  It will be totally crazy for all of us to come back for BB 2 to find a radically different group of 10 than those we've been so used to these past 3 months. I must agree that CBS needs to spice up the casting and get some sex going. Let's face it - sex sells, and many more people will tune in for sure. I'll be watching for sure, but I hope they don't put it on too late. I have to do daily updates after every show for the board, and I already go to bed too late |
Bbyoohoo | Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 04:58 pm  To Ketchuplover: "...and a mynah bird in one papaya tree." |
Spoosh2000 | Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 07:42 pm  It was the harmony that I enjoyed! It was watching people who genuinely cared for each other and had kind words in their mouths that made me love this show so much. I personally don't want to see a sex fest, or a wrestling match. I have grown to care for these people because of their kind hearts, and I, contrary to popular opinion, have not been bored with it ONCE! Anyone with me? |
Stillme | Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 07:45 pm  Popular opinion never cared if Spoosh2000 was bored. It cares about millions of Americans. Millions of Americans could care less about this show. That will change with more interesting characters. |
Zelda | Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 07:50 pm  I vote for more sex, harmony, contraversy, fun and more sex... I said that already  |
Choopyaz | Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 07:59 pm  Hookers, lesbians and nazis! |
Glen506ny | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:55 am  So they're going to bring in real people who are confrontational and jump into sexual relationships quickly. I've seen people like that on TV before; they're called "Jerry Springer guests." Maybe they ought to call the next series "My Big Brother Jerry." Personally, I'd rather watch the smart, articulate current HG's than watch a house full of Jerry Springer guests for a couple months. As much as we sometimes criticize the current series, I think this might actually be the good one, before the product line descends into sensationalist trash. |
Riviere76 | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:30 am  Amen to weekly banishment! I'm not sure I will watch a BB2 if the cast is so controversial as to be unlikeable, but too much harmony and playing buddies4ever has made the current show a bore. I would prefer a more mature cast of HGs, the kind who do have exp. with significant others, kids, life beyond college. Nobody under age 29 or over 49, no virgins, not even the born again variety. Certainly nobody with an axe to grind or on the brink of a psychotic episode. Definitely people out to win a game who are strong emotionally and more interesting, not playing to the cameras nor hiding from them. Rich and Gretchen? I'm happy for Curtis, Eddie & Josh winning, but I'd be even happier if BB didn't turn into Animal House this way. No coincidence I stopped watching MTV when I was 33, about the time my sons started watching. A cast with more to bring into the house than GenX issues would be refreshing! HGs old enough to be comfy in their own skins and know what they want, unafraid to be 'real' and play the game 24/7. |
Adamblast | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:34 am  Some nuns, some nazis, and a bunch of cute singing children! Oh wait, that's the Sound of Music... |
Gout | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:53 am  . . And Ken's got a problem with one of his ideas: 1. No HGs with Kids - *you* (and admittedly, many others) may be tired of seeing George and Karen weep over their family, but many other people who watch this show have kids - and they are interested in the dynamic that having children and families brings to the house. Also - while CBS needs to spice-up BB2, they need to distance themselves from shows like the Real World; not only does Viacom/CBS already *have* that show on MTV, but we don't need another "reality" show that excludes anyone who isn't cookie-cutter MTV material (read: anyone who might be married/have children/etc). Having older folks and folks with families has an impact on the HGs and, consequently, the show; it's just as viable as having mean people, sexy people and fire-eating hermaphroditic circus dwarves in the house. |
Gout | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:54 am  oh, and Spoosh: I'm with you on this one . . . |
Whimbrel | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 11:24 am  They should make applicants take a lie detector test. Anyone who either truthfully answers "yes" or deceptively answers "no" to the following question should be automatically excluded. "Do you have any ambitions of a career in entertainment?" Listening to the HG's ramble on about their impending fame and fortune makes me want to go burn up ants with a magnifying glass. Also, they didn't want to do anything to tarnish their precious "images," which made it much less interesting. They should also screen out people who say idiotic things like "I'm here for The Experience." Make sure they get cutthroat people who are all about the money, and make the cash prizes large enough to get competitive about. 500K before taxes won't do it. |
Guitarman | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 11:42 am  Different characters will not help this show. The reason people don’t watch is not because the HG’s are boring (they are boring but that is besides the point) People tune out because they don’t get it. I mean, what the heck is BB about anyway? People understood Survivor. There was a goal. The contestants had to perform under stress. If they failed in the tasks, they got booted off. Simple. Someone could tune in to any episode and figure out what was going on. Importantly, the editing was well done. Before people will watch a game show (and BB is a game show), the audience wants to understand what it takes to win. The people at home like to play along with the contestants. That is pretty much what we are doing on this board, playing along with the HG's. Just putting some people in a house is not good enough. The audience needs more structure. I don’t think BB has a future in the US unless the show can be packaged such that the audience can understand the rules and how to win. |
Slackers | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 12:14 pm  I'd like to see it as a 3 month-long episode of the UK comedy "The Young Ones". Oh, nevermind, that was done during last night's drunkfest. Slackers. |
Spoosh2000 | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 12:55 pm  Guiterman, I see your point, and it's a good one! One thing that almost physically irked me was their LAME theme song and introduction! I understand that the regular editing during the show has to be an immediate production, and I think that they did the best that can be done with their time restrictions, so I didn't mind the story editing. But geeze! The theme song/intro did not need to be done in one day, Big Brother had plenty of time to make it exciting. The Survivor theme gave me goosebumps every single time I watched it. Something dramatic or even comical would have done wonders for BB's viewers. A little explanation other than "10 people - one house - 3 months" would have been a crucial factor as well. The UK theme,(while I never got to SEE it I have downloaded the song) is a fast paced techno ditty. BB2, I pray, will have an emotion inducing, powerful intro segment. |
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