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The ClubHouse: Big Brother 2000: General - Archives: Questions, questions and more questions: Eddie's Desire to "Clothesline" Jamie--Unacceptable?: Archive through September 21, 2000

Deeya

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 09:31 pm Click here to edit this post

Rufis.. I am so proud.. not sure there is a room big enough to hold all of us though...

Karri I can understand with your background why you would be concerned about roughhousing.. and very cautious of it in your home... obviously though you have the ability to discern that the HG weren't having a problem with Eddie...

And Katie you are right.. Britt might have said stop.. but she was keeping Eddie in their playing the whole time... anyone else remember Eddie's line about being caught in a virgin trap when Britt had her legs wrapped around him...

Caged

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 09:37 pm Click here to edit this post

Jamie is not treated any differently now then she was when the other women were in the house. Now, for some reason, she wants to be treated differently. She thinks all of the sudden, because she is the only woman, it all changes.Uh, I don't think so. Dysfunctional? Who's bright idea was that to label "fooling around" dysfuncional? Jamie doesn't know what she wants. She gets mad at all of them when they don't include her and when they do, she gets mad and leaves. Eddie, Josh, or Curtis can't do anything to please her! But, who does she run to when she is alone and wants to talk? Eddie-"I like you, Eddie!" Please!! Jamie's best friend is a mirror! So far, she has changed practically every answer in the challenge. How many have they gotten right? 10 maybe? Eddie was having fun when he "clotheslined" Jamie. What's next, the headlines going to be "Eddie abuses HG"? I think people are putting too much into a innocent situation.

Green

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 09:44 pm Click here to edit this post

Jamie should've pushed it and given Eddie a jokey smacky hand to the back of his head ... and if he reacted violently, then BOOM, he'd be fourth place ...

Katie

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 09:46 pm Click here to edit this post

Who said she complained about what Eddie did?? She just kept eating her breakfast. The TV show didn't show it the way it happened. She didn't get up and walk away for a long time after he was done. It is the members of the group that are upset. Don't blame Jamie for it.

Buckboy

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 09:46 pm Click here to edit this post

OK Brit told Josh to trust Curtis and Eddie?????

What else does this mean ???? You must be stupid to think Brit did not like any of these guys.
When all seid and done she trusts them more then any others. So what the hell are we talking about Brit.

I think Jamie is a very bad word, she can take a damn joke.

Deni_San

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 09:48 pm Click here to edit this post

When I was in highschool I had more male friends than women friends. I lived with young men I had grown up with in my early 20s. I will agree that guys are cruder than girls, and they said stuff that I didn't agree with and stuff they wouldn't normally say when other women were in the room.
Not once did I ever hear guys even joking about doing harm to a woman. This was in the less enlightened 1980s.

(Note:I critized Jaime for being a wimp when she went tagi tribe on Curtis about the poop comment.)

How is wanting to closeline a woman (or anyone) funny? Let me see...

"I'd like to clothesline you"

Bwhahahaahaha...no. I don't get it.

How can anyone think that is funny? Doing "noogie" from the old Saturday Night sketches is quite different than saying that he will clothesline a woman to her face. Maybe I am missing something. How is that humorous? Anyone?

I want to like Eddie. I really do, but its tiring writing off stuff that is offensive to me, because he is young. There are young men his age who have been brought up not to say such things, because they are called on it by their family, friends, and ex-girlfriends. Where do yall draw the line?

I had worried how hard he was hitting brittany (which gave her bruises) and everyone said that he was just being a big brother type. Brittany was so needy that just she took it. Since I grew up away from my older brother, I wrote it off as me not knowing what its like to be beat up by a big brother. It did concern me though.

According to CDC (Centers for Disease Control), the most common cause of injury or death for women is domestic violence. If young men grow up to think that violence against women (or anyone) is somehow fodder for jokes, we will never be able to combat this problem. I am serious about this because I have family members who were victims of domestic violence, and I have worked with victims of domestic violence. Sometimes, if you take some things seriously you can even save a life.

Katie

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 09:50 pm Click here to edit this post

Britt told Josh to trust Eddie and Curtis and his step father told him to trust Curtis and Jamie.
Who do you think he will believe??

Trish

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 09:55 pm Click here to edit this post

For the love of God, people! I can't even believe this has gotten so much attention, although I'm glad most of you were able to see that it was a JOKE!

The only thing wrong with this "scene" was the way she reacted to him. If that would have been Brit she would have baited him right back. Not Jamie...she's too concerned with how things might look to the audience or that something might become a storyline.

I just think it's so interesting how some of you actually think he was being serious. Damn, everyone is so friggen p.c. anymore, it's ridiculous. Right away people are screaming "violence towards women". Puhleeeze! Give me a break!

Zappre

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 09:56 pm Click here to edit this post

Deni San: Before everyone starts telling you to lighten up because it's just a joke, let me say that you are dead on. Some things are not fodder for humor. There is such a thing as personal space and boundaries. What I saw in Eddie tonite was a disrespect for the personal space and boundaries of Jamie, a woman who, in spite of all the comments here about how brotherly he was acting, he has repeatedly shewed away when she tried to get to know him. It's like, "I don't want to know you but here's my forearm an inch from your nose. Isn't this fun?"

Katie

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 09:57 pm Click here to edit this post

Deni San
I was really confused by Britt. He was always bruising her and she kept telling him to stop but yet she would go up to him and instigate it again. What do you make of this behavior? I was totally confused. I didn't feel comfortable with it any more then I felt comfortable with what he did with Jamie or how he has said that he does this type of thing with Monica.

Deeya

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 09:59 pm Click here to edit this post

If Eddie was being "abusive" to women I would agree totally... but he isn't... he plays... maybe not in the way everyone would want him to..but there is a major difference between domestic violence and what Eddie has done.

Clotheslining is, I believe, a wrestling maneuver (if you can call that stuff on TV wrestling)... if Eddie had said that to any of the guys would people be this concerned about it....

I would be worried if Eddie's actions were making the other HG concerned.. or scared... remember that Mega was intimidating them simply by his verbal attacks....

The HG have gotten to know Eddie.. and I haven't seen any one of them express any concern... if Jaime had felt threatened by all this.. don't you think she would have said something in the RR... or said something to Josh or Curtis... While we don't know if she said anything in the RR... I seriously doubt she did... her actions don't show her as threatened at all...

Katie

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 10:00 pm Click here to edit this post

'For the love of God, people! I can't even believe this has gotten so much attention, although I'm glad most of you were able to see that it was a JOKE!'

I always heard it was a joke only if both people were laughing.

Smrtass

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 10:03 pm Click here to edit this post

Katie, I don't think Josh heard his stepfather say anything about Curtis and Jamie. He was hanging up the phone and we could hear him, but it didn't look like Josh could. Now, of course, I'm glad he didn't hear it!

Tukuul

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 10:10 pm Click here to edit this post

WOW! This thread grew quick. While Eddie's motion to clothesline Jamie was funny ONCE, he really ran it into the ground and offended Jamie. That's pretty screwed up. I'm not a big Jamie fan, but she deserves a little more respect than she's been getting lately. That's all I have to say about it.

Koka

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 10:14 pm Click here to edit this post

Eddie may have meant the thing as a joke, but it was obvious that Jamie was uncomfortable, especially with the part about bruises. He should have dropped the entire thing at that point. That is what so many people find unlikable about him-- he simply does not take other people's feelings into consideration much of the time.

Deeya

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 10:17 pm Click here to edit this post

Real question.... would anyone have been this upset about the "clotheslining" comments if Eddie had been talking to Josh?

Gubblebum

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 10:24 pm Click here to edit this post

ever watch a bunch of guys play sports- man they call each other names, really get rough, abuse each other to no end and then all have a beer-
i saw eddie treating jamie like a teammate- so she's a "girl" get over herself already...either that or toughen up a little
i used to treat my brother that way all the time and i was the girl...
ps- remember when your parents told you when the boy hit your arm he liked you...
(and don't go all pc on me either)

Zappre

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 10:25 pm Click here to edit this post

No, because Eddie and Josh are pals...Eddie and Jamie are distant acquaintences, in spite of her efforts to get closer. Also, Jamie is not Josh, nor Curtis for that matter. In fact, if Eddie had tried it on Curtis, Curtis wouldn't have thought it appropriate either. It's called thinking about your audience before you speak or act. Its called consideration. Eddie, for all of his many positives, has serious deficits when it comes to taking the feelings of others into consideration.

Eddieluver

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 10:25 pm Click here to edit this post

'I was really confused by Britt. He was always bruising her and she kept telling him to stop but yet she would go up to him and instigate it again.'

What? He never bruised Britt. Please show me where it said he bruised Britt? They were playing around and he would never hurt anyone. Have you ever had a brother? Don't accuse Eddie of something you are clearly wrong about. Yes, that's right I may be the only one to defend him but I will. Britt and him were close and people that are friends goof around like that. I play wrestle with my fiance. Does that mean he's abusive. Get over it.

I didn't like what he did tonight either but that's Eddie and if the girl had any sense she would have come back with something witty. Of course this is Jamie the same one who thinks ONLY Illinois voted for her! *lol* Ahhhh, I guess it must be really fun in her world. A world of pure delusion every day of her life.

Also, the comment she made about always making sure never to say bad things in the RR on purpose. That comment once again shouts that this girl is faker than a pair of boobs on a stripper. It's so sad and yet she proves me right over and over again with her ridiculously clueless behavior. Jamie is going to learn the hard way about the true person she is in real life.

We're supposed to sit here and be like oh poor Jamie. Eddie is so mean and yet the next thing you know the girl was in there bedroom schmoozing Eddie. Give me a break. Let it go. IF something bothers me I would walk away or say something. She didn't do either so who is truly to blame in that scenario? If she can't even stick up for herself then she is not only fake but truly sad. What a wonderful role model for girls Jamie is in that house. Hey you don't have to be strong in today's society just take crap because you're in love with your housemate. Yes, I do think she's gaga over Eddie STILL! Jamie is so weak and insecure. Yes, that's the kind of winner America needs. *rolls her eyes in disgust*

Russ702

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 10:25 pm Click here to edit this post

This, and his banging of the pots last week, clearly shows his "I can be an a**hole and still win" attitude. Time to prove him wrong. He's talked a lot about 4th place sucking. Let's make him realize that "experience"

Joking or not, you just don't do it. And don't get all bent out of shape over the editing. That's what TV does. Why take 10 minutes when you can tell the story in 2? I know he was joking, but you just don't make those kind of jokes in front of a national audience. Stupidity doesn't deserve 50 grand.

Zappre

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 10:30 pm Click here to edit this post

Wow, Eddieluver, you somehow found a way to turn Jamie classily turning the other cheek in the face of what even you found inappropriate, and being supportive of Eddie in the BR and offering him friendship he continues to rebuff, into a sign of HER questionable character. That took some doing. Well done.

Whatever

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 10:31 pm Click here to edit this post

Zappre- "I just don't get why"


I guess it's ironic that Eddie supporters praise his honesty, but can't seem to tolerate honest observations or ideas that contradict their own preconceptions, wrong or otherwise.

I stand by the three comments you've quoted of mine. It's sad that there is so little understanding or tolerance on your part and others that you find it necessary to interpret such comments, opinions and observations as insults. They are based in fact.

If you find truth in them, then accept it for what it is. Conversely, if you find no truth, then likewise accept it for what it is and challenge or ignore it as you wish. But before concluding the lack of truth, it might be wise to understand more fully the thoughts expressed.

Realize that I'm attempting to also communicate with those readers who are not participants in the thread. All too often, false information becomes accepted as gospel because it goes unchallenged and repeated. Thus, I bring attention to such issues not to bolster my argument, but to call attention to the issue so it is not overlooked by casual observers. You should not dismiss my efforts to promote truthful, correct information as a "bad attitude".

Time and time again on this board, fallacies become more popular and supported than the truth.

- George's "plan"
- Rockford voting
- George's "cracking up"
- Josh kissed Brit (rumor started by one person, snowballed as non-witnesses agreed and criticized those who saw it did not happen, was eventually proved false.)
- Eddie's racist "Chinese pug" comment
- George's "acting dumb"
- George's "mental health"
- any houseguest being "two-faced"
- "playing the game well" or not well
and many other items.


Getting back to the topic, the simple truth is that ANY uninvited physical agression is unacceptable by today's standards and understanding of health.

I don't care of anyone has their own OPINIONS or experiences, but the above is FACT. So far, although posters find it popular to attack me, there has been little or nothing to challenge the thought or idea expressed. So there seems also to be a double standard which is acceptable on this board regarding such posts, apparently.

The three comments you've quoted, as well as my other statements, remain my opinions and observations.


You will note my comments expand the discussion beyond an incident within the BB house to issues regarding the current state of thinking regarding this topic by the health professions, as well as the character of discussion on this board. It is sad that aspect is overlooked too easily by those such as yourself and others.


I come here to be informed and inform, and expand my thinking, but apparently a majority of posters here wish only to express themselves without challenge, and dismiss anything beyond the scope of their preconceptions, responding by posting flames or choosing instead to enjoy talking to themselves and only like-minded individuals.

I don't have time for such folk and don't owe a thing to anyone on this board.

Rufusgriswold

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 10:32 pm Click here to edit this post

Sorry, Eddieluver, but Britt did talk about the bruises she received roughhousing with Eddie. Eddie doesn't know when to pull back, even during the waterbasketball. I know he doesn't mean to hurt, but he does.

Waytogo

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 10:34 pm Click here to edit this post

I agree that this scene was unsettling; Josh did seem unsure how to handle it; eventual laughter from all the guys covered an uncomfortable situation. But we are a flighty bunch and will get on with our lives...until the next example of this criss/cross behavior rears its head. To what audience was he playing to in this strategy of the game? It may have been enough to tip the scales of voters deciding what number to hit; it did mine.

Zappre

Thursday, September 21, 2000 - 10:34 pm Click here to edit this post

Well Whatever, I tried. Maybe some day you'll take a breath and get it. I guess the skill of truly listening is an acquired ability. For your sake, I hope so.