Jade888 | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 01:04 pm  Kearie: I sue the States who do not provide enough mental health treatment, not institutions. We also sue on behalf of the children who do not receive care with developmental problems. I want to reiterate the issue with Eddie, Jamie had fear in her eyes...she was scared...he went as far as saying that he would love to push her to the floor. Now if that does not change your mind about Eddie than I am afraid that our country and the men we are raising to be husbands and fathers are in a very poor state. |
Kearie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 01:25 pm  Jade--- What do you and your husband get from suing? As for the thing with Eddie, Again, I did not see it and as we all know people's perceptions on this thread are vary biased. (Sorry katie...don't mean anyone specifically) I myself have had the urge to just punch my hubby for no known reason. Not in a playful way, but in a mean nasty way...just because. I have looked and him and told him 'I hate you'. My urge to punch someone, or hurt them doesn't make me a horrible or cruel individual. I tell my husband what I want to do and it ends there. I certainly would NEVER go out of my way to physically harm anyone. Does this make my sickness more real? Does this indicate that Eddie may be mental like me? Take homosexuality for instense. I for one believe everyone has visualized a homosexual act...er thot about it. (The simple fact of saying it is gross shows that it was visualized to some extent) Most people will not admit to this, but everyone does and that does not make them a homosexual. Josh admitted to thinking about it and suddenly he was bashed by George. This does not make him gay however. I visualize hitting my husband, that doesn't make me a husband abuser or a physical abuser. Eddie said he wanted to 'knock Jamie down'. I don't believe that makes him an abuser or have more of a tendancy to be an abuser. I think in both situations, there is a huge societal influence saying the behavior is WRONG. So thinking about it is Wrong...and heaven forbid if you admit to thinking about it. hmmm....did I make sense? Open for a bashing now. yikes. |
Mee | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 01:49 pm  Kearie, you are one smart (and insightful) cookie. |
Kearie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 01:58 pm  Thanks Mee.... I just try to be me. |
Larrblue | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 02:15 pm  Interesting thread - Kearie also (in my opinion) deserves sainthood for putting up with Effexor! Yikes. I took it for a short time and then tried to stop it and couldn't! It has the WORST withdrawal symptoms of any anti-depressant med I ever took. I also try to be open about my depression (dysthymia, a chronic low-grade kind) and I've mentioned on this bboard that I want to be on the next BB show. I think having a depressed house guest could/would teach the country alot about dealing with depression just by seeing someone on the air/internet (similar to the way Eddie's taught a lot of people about being disabled). It's still such a STIGMA that it's almost easier to say you're gay than to say you have depression (at least to me). Although my mood seems to be under control now with my meds (paxil and adderall) I think 3 months in that house could make some of my darker sides "kick in". |
Kearie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 02:59 pm  The withdrawls of Effexor. YIKES!!!! They are about the worst. Since I've been on the med I haven't gone through real withdrawls so to speak. I have been with out them for 48 hours max. I take the med once a day, at bedtime. If I miss one dose, within 36 hours I'm a wreck. My entire body feels like I have the worst case of caffine jitters you can imagine, but outwardly, nothing shakes. I also feel like my brains have liquified and are leaking out of my ears. (Horrible feeling if you can imagine) and anxiety sets in. I can't sit still, I have to pace. I can't focus on thinking. It's pretty bad. I think that's great that you would like to be on the next BB show...I would too. I do think that people would be afraid of me tho. Sometimes the thought of treating a borderline even scares 'shrinks'. I imagine family members would worry about there loved ones who were fellow house guests of mine, were I on the show. I also think that it would be a good way to help break the stigma of mental illness. I think it's great to be open about mental illness, however it can be costly. |
Katie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 03:27 pm  How about a whole house of people with mental illness? |
Kearie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 04:45 pm  hehehe good plan Katie.... Huge Gruop therapy session, with nominations to see who loses it first. Woohoo Pick me! Pick me!!! |
Jade888 | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 05:12 pm  Kearie...Sorry I had to go and do my show this morning and I hhad to leave. We get nothing and I get no pay as I have a patient advocacy non-profit who supports the injustice in the mental health community, especialky the mentally retarded. I make no salary nor do I get a fee for services I do it to help my husband and his patients receive services if they are sick. Also I help the mentally retarded find housing and care homes to live in since they are unable to care for themselves. |
Jade888 | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 05:51 pm  Kearie...you must be taking Effexor ER since you only take it once a day. It is my understanding that the ER formula is much easier to titrate and discontinue. Do you receive meds from psych doc or internal med doc? Hubby lectures and teaches about the meds for many pharmacutical companies so I understand about the meds from having to listen to all of his boring lectures. |
Kearie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 06:10 pm  I do take Effexor ER, 225 mgs once a day. Ahhh but of course I see a psychiatrist for med management and a therapist for behavior management. I see the Dr. 2x a year and the therapist less often than that. I started seeing her 3x a week 3 years ago. She also deals in homeopathic meds. I prefer the term devolpmentally disabled. Retarded has such a nasty connotation. I also worked with DD adults for 8 years. I love them. Ummmm who is going to sue the dern shrinks for the outragous cost of therapy and med management. $200 or more an hour is rediculous. |
Jade888 | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 06:18 pm  Kearie...Where state do you live in that it cost that much? Here where we live, med management is at the very least once a month. Do you have insurance? How would it cost that much per hour? Are you receiving free meds from your doc? Circumstances please? We would never sue our psychiatrist as they have done a great job in our state and where we live 97.8 percent of our population has insurance for healthcare so we have very little problems with patietns getting treatment we have to monitor the state run clinics. |
Kearie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:27 pm  Jade- I live in Washington state. We do have medical insuranse, but still end up owing a good chunk of money. Most insurance companies only pay 50% of cost and meds have a co-pay of up to $12 a month. My Shrink is not a state employee but private practice. |
Katie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:33 pm  Kearie I live in Washington state too. No insurance. Can't get any. I pay out of pocket for my care. |
Kearie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:38 pm  It sucks here doesn't it. Just can't get the kind of care we need and if we can't afford it we go without. It is SOOO expensive. No way in hades could I afford to see a shrink every month. It sucks to not have insurance. I was there and wound up filing bankruptcy. No fun. BTW Spokane here. |
Katie | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:46 pm  I live in Seattle and the insurance companies won't offer private insurance. Since I was so depressed I couldn't get a job and since I didn't have a job I couldn't get insurance and so I couldn't get medical care or medication the way I should have. Around and around it goes. I did the best I could but I am about to lose my home because the cost of my therapy was so much that I haven't been able to pay my mortgage. It is the first home I have ever had and I am going to hate to lose it. |
Jade888 | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 07:54 pm  Why are you gals not getting insurance from the State? All states have programs that you would qualiry for even if you have to pay a small portion for the cost. Also, if you do not have insurance you can apply for your states Medicaid program and pay a small amount. Also you should have commuity mental health centers in your state that should help you. As far as meds, pleassssssssse ask your Doctor to get you on the free medication program. Just ask him about the patietn indigent program. You can email me directly if you want. If he does not know about the program ask him to contact his pharmecutical rep for your companies meds and they have the form. It is very easy. If your Doc is not aware of the program than have him email me direct. |
Zelda | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 08:09 pm  Jade... It is different from state to state. It is very difficult to get health insurance here too... I am in California. It is especially hard when you have a pre -existing condition. I have dealt with depression for seven years. I am also fighting pre -cervical cancer. It doesn't help the other to say the least. I pay out of pocket for my medical and meds. I never thought health issues would be so important for my vote in Nov. Kearie... can I be on the show with you too?! ... 10 HGs ... no outside contact. No privacy and 24 hour health care! |
Jade888 | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 08:15 pm  Have you gone to yur state welfare offices. All states have the same benefits you just need to check and find the resources. Even if your condition is pre exsisting...each state has a Medicaid program that you can buy insruance from if you are unable to get insurance from an employer. The rates are resinable and covers medical and meds and all testing. I am looking forward to November as the Democrats had 8 years to put healthcare together and I have thrown in the towel with them. |
Katie | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 08:39 pm  Zelda :I am with you on that especially the 24 hour healthcare. Just no shower or toilet cam. Jade:I went to the state this week. They told me they could give me $50 a month total if I qualify. The problem is that my 9 year old car is worth too much. They are going blue book and not resale. She said I probably would have to sell my car. $50 a month won't pay for much therapy or medication. I tried to sign up for the medication through the pharmaceutical companies and both times they never got back to me. When the doctors office called them to check, they were told they had never heard of me. I just gave up trying. Fighting depression is bad enough. Needless to say getting my purse stolen and my last $3000 to pay my mortgage didn't help. Having the mortgage company posting foreclosure papers on my door didn't help either. I am not sure which come first. The problems then the depression or the depression or the problems I suspect it is a never ending cirle. |
Jade888 | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 08:47 pm  Katie: Would you please contact your local legal aid office and ask them if they can assit you ASAP. Tell them you have a psychiatric disorder. If it has been documented for more than three years than they can assist you in getting Medicare from the federal government. Also. your doctors should be your advocates and getting those meds for you, you can email me and I will light a match under his butt for you if you want. In California you can contact the California Medical Association and ask for Dr. Jack Lewin the Execuitive Director and tell him you need treatment. Dr. Lewin is very helpful and a wonderful human being. |
Katie | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 08:50 pm  I am in Seattle Jade |
Jade888 | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 08:53 pm  Katie...call that legal aid society and I will find the medical director for their medical association tomorrow for you. |
Katie | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 08:56 pm  Thanks Jade! |
Jade888 | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 09:11 pm  I will do it tomorrow for you and get back to you as soon as possible. |