Archive through August 28, 2000

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Phantommenace

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 05:37 pm Click here to edit this post

Brittany tells Curtis that her and Cassandra ruled the puzzle. Curtis compliments them on how good of a job they've done on the borders. Someone asks where Chiquita is and Brittany says (in her French accent) "She's somewhere eating puzzle pieces".
Now Josh and Britt are continuing to use the French accent. The group talks about the Red Room staff. Eddie says the female in the Red Room treats him like he's a piece of sh!t, and he doesn't appreciate it. He says the guys are better than the female.

Teecee

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 05:39 pm Click here to edit this post

F7
Eddie is using the Brit-accent! He's joking about how Big Brother has all sorts of new colors in the puzzle. "We shall call this one Big Brother Blue, we will call this one Josh Fleshy Pink", no one's really laughing or reacting.

George comes in, says that RR was okay. (I have to think Josh is the one concentrating on the pink pieces now, not George, my bad earlier -ed.) "The Interrogator" was there. Eddie now saying "The Interrogator" is all right, he isn't always breaking their balls. But on the other hand the lady is terrible. You know something, the dude don't f*cking talk down. George moves to the kitchen and continues preparing dinner.

Brit and Josh (or Eddie) making weird chicken-bawking-like noises. Now Eddie making very strange noises, Brit bursts into laughter.

Eddie and Josh together start singing "The Banana Boat Song". Eddie trying to remember the words.

Sher

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 05:40 pm Click here to edit this post

The musician referred to above is Enya, Josh and Cass love her. More puzzle action ... small talk...nothing substantial.

Teecee

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 05:44 pm Click here to edit this post

F7
Eddie joking, "My god this is the rug! They superimposed the rug in there!" He's sitting on the floor now, possibly doing pieces down there (sorry my video on F7 is too poor to see it for sure -ed.)

Brit says she has a good-sized border of brown, not sure what it is. No one reacts other than Eddie, who grunts "Browwwwn, uhhhhh". In a similar vein he starts grunting "Cookie cookie". Eddie starts humming a tune (I can't identify), and then identifies it as "the Gremlins". No one's really talking to him. Now he says that he's four-time national Jigsaw Puzzle Champion, Brit says "Oh realllly." (not sarcastically just sort of smarmy -ed.)

Phantommenace

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 05:44 pm Click here to edit this post

Cassandra, Jamie, Curtis, and Brittany are all sitting at the table working on the puzzle. George enters the room to help. Eddie starts singing "Day-O". All of the house guests are now working on some aspect of the puzzle, except Eddie, who's preparing something to eat. Curtis and Jamie both get up to bring something to eat to the table also. Eddie leaves with his food and heads to the bedroom.

Phantommenace

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 05:48 pm Click here to edit this post

Eddie returns to the kitchen. George relieves Cassandra and Brittany at the puzzle table. They thank him and brief him on the latest method they've used on the puzzle.
Eddie says he would love to see a Long Island thunderstorm. Cassandra says she doesn't like storms. Brittany says she loves them and that they make her sleep real good. Eddie agrees.
Big Brother orders everyone to the girls bedroom!

Teecee

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 05:50 pm Click here to edit this post

(Thanks for filling me in Sher!)
F7
Eddie starts in on "Let me tell you about the flowers and the trees, and the birds and the bees..." Brit joins in for this part, horribly off key. Curtis and Cass split up a few more pieces. Eddie and Brit continue to hum it, now Brit in Britspeak talking about something, Cassandra remarks that she's been crushed (I assume talking about her in the picture), Brit with her "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!" again.

Eddie continues to hum another song, Brit and Curtis trying to remember another. Curtis saying that now they know it doesn't end up with a half-person (on the edge I assume). George has discovered a beat-up piece and gives it to Cassandra. Brit says in honor of George, we should have "Chicken Hour." Cass asks George to find more border pieces. George says he must switch colors now.

They're talking about thunderstorms now, Curtis saying something about thunderstorms on the West Coast, Brit says she loves them, Eddie says he sleeps right through them. Brit says something about a coma, and Eddie goes "Coma storm" in his grunting voice.

BB just said hi to the HGs and is asking everyone to go to the girls' bedroom while they do some "technical maintenance". Eddie yells at them not to touch the puzzle or he'll kick their @$$es. They're picking up Pugita to take with them, she looks reluctant. Eddie wrestling with the dog, and BB says "No kicking Eddie!" Eddie protests, says the dog was kicking him :)

Phantommenace

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 05:50 pm Click here to edit this post

Eddie kicked Chiquita!!!!! Big Brother comes on the mic and yells "No kicking Eddie". Eddie tried to play dumb and Big Brother didn't buy it. Eddie tells everyone, "look she's still playing with me." Cassandra says that's because she loves you Eddie and she doesn't know that the kick wasn't intended to be playful.

Teecee

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 05:53 pm Click here to edit this post

F7
HGs have corralled Pugita and gone to the girls' room. F2 is still showing the LR while F1 shows the hallway. Now all cams on girls' room as the HGs file in. Eddie lands on the love bed and starts wrestling w/the dog. (F1+2 back on the hallway and kitchen again.) Brit asked to go to the RR for one sec by BB, she says "Oh topic."

Jamie is going to read a survey, it seems like so long ago. Cass says Mega was gone. Eddie saying something about George doing it. Eddie saying Mega was telling some story about romancing some girl with a buttermilk bath, and he didn't have sex w/her etc. Curtis is a line, Josh is a circle, G for George, etc. Eddie says he couldn't believe they told him not to kick the dog, he'd kick other HGs before he kicked the dog.

Eddie - I'm telling you it wasn't a kick it was a nudge! Check the tape!

Brit comes in with the discussion topic...Eddie says it was 6-1 last night when he went first, so he's gonna save his comments until the end this time.

Phantommenace

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 05:57 pm Click here to edit this post

Eddie argues that he didn't kick the dog, that it was only a nudge. He tells Big Brother to review the tape. Brittany enters the room with todays subject. Affirmative action is the subject, and Jamie starts off. Jamie says affirmative action is necessary to maintain equality, however, no one should be hired based on their race, only on their qualifications. She says she hopes that one day we reach the point where everyone reaches the same plateau and will equally be able to be considered for job positions.

Teecee

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 05:59 pm Click here to edit this post

F4
Girls' room. Jamie, Brit, Josh, Curtis sitting on the love bed, George on bed closest to door, Cassandra off-camera, presumably on her own bed. (Don't see Eddie). Brit talking in cutesy voice again.

The topic is affirmative action (AA).

Jamie going first - if we're ever going to reach true equality, affirmative action is necessary. But on a fundamental level no one should get a preference for anything, the best qualified person should get the job, the best person for the job should get it. But there isn't equality in the workplace b/c of the way society has been in the past. So AA is necessary for reaching a level playing field, but she hopes that someday they reach the point where it's not necessary. Whether college scholarships, scoring a certain percentile on the SATs, she doesn't like it but b/c of choices in the past, they've reached the point where they need AA to reach equality.

Silence. Brit asks if George is ready, George asks if Curtis or Eddie is ready, Josh volunteers.

Josh says it's necessary, has its own pros and cons. Pro: ppl being treated fairly, con: certain ppl who are qualified may not get the job. But he thinks the cons are worse if they didn't have it - as in discrimination. But things are getting better, at some point they should consider getting rid of AA laws. It's one of the things that has to change over the years, it's not going to be stable forever.

Phantommenace

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 05:59 pm Click here to edit this post

Josh agrees with Jamie and says that the cons are worse than the pros for Affirmative Action, because without it, things would be worse than they are now since people wouldn't be forced to be equal. The houseguests are reluctant to speak. Silence looms the room as everyone ponders whether they want to speak next or not. George passes when Brittany asks him to go next.

Phantommenace

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:02 pm Click here to edit this post

Curtis gives a politically correct answer at first. He agrees with the Jamie and Josh, however he says that AA could place less qualified people in positions. He says that he feels sorry for the White students in California that couldn't get into school because of AA. He basically says he's torn on both sides of the issue and doesn't have a real opinion.

Teecee

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:06 pm Click here to edit this post

F4
Eddie playing with Pugita, finally just says, "Affirmative action sucks!" (clear he's joking) Curtis does his awkward laugh, no other response. Eddie continuing to play with Pugita, calling her a good girl, "sitting through all this serious stuff", warning, "No biting me."

Now Curtis (off-camera, near Cass's bed apparently) says he doesn't have a real stance. He would love it if everything was determined on the merits, best person for school/scholarship/job should get it regardless of race/religion/gender, that would be great. But Jamie's right, it's not a completely level playing field, and nobody's come up with a better solution. There's something to be said for opening up the gates to those who're maybe a little less qualified in order to obtain diversity in the courts, or in school, so that maybe the slightly less qualified woman or black, to open the door so that other women, blacks, Asians can get in, by standing as role models etc. For California, when they got rid of AA, Curtis didn't know which way he stood. He felt bad for white ppl losing spots so that less-qualified Asians or blacks or whatever lost spots, however when they ended AA and the # of blacks in law schools dropped, he felt bad too. He's really torn and doesn't know how to feel, he doesn't have a real position.

For lack of a better way, since nobody's come up with anything better, but it's certainly not perfect.

Cassandra asks whether AA is always less-qualified candidates, she doesn't know much about AA laws but thinks that often it's a woman/black/Hispanic with the *same* credentials, so AA says you take that person rather than the other. She thinks ppl have the objection to AA that one person has worked hard and then someone black/Hispanic/whatever gets in b/c of who they are, they must be less well-qualified. Curtis thinks that's just part of the admissions process, if they're equally qualified. Josh sees Cass's point. Curtis defining AA as using race or gender at all in deciding. Cass thinks it's very beneficial to women and blacks. She's concerned about California, b/c in schools the # of blacks and women has fallen dramatically. (Josh agrees that the # of women is low.) So there needs to be some effort to encourage them to participate.

Phantommenace

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:06 pm Click here to edit this post

Cassandra says that a lot of people have a misconception on AA. Curtis says he thinks that whenever race is brought into the picture, then it's not right. Everyone is quiet as Cass gives her spill. She says it's not the perfect solution, but it's the only thing right now until someone comes up with something better. Cassandra says that no country in the world treats it's women as good as it treats it's men.

Teecee

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:13 pm Click here to edit this post

F4
Cass continuing, saying it's the lesser of two evils. In regards to women, no country in the world treats women as well as it treats its men. So sitting here w/bright eyes talking about how things are going to get better one day, it's going to take a long time before women get equal pay etc. and before there will be a large amt. of women in Josh's engineering classes etc.

Eddie gets up, goes over to dresser, asks if anyone wants a cookie. Eddie and George say something about Brit, she says "Oh no, what's with everyone ganging up on me? I don't like this?" Now Brit goes.

She doesn't think AA is the be-all solution but it's the best they can get right now. It sucks in school that you're well-qualified for a scholarship and someone else gets it b/c of their race, but otherwise it would all go to white men. At work there are headhunters who try to recruit ppl from other companies, they get $1000 per person, but if they're minorities they get $2000 per person, it surprised her. In her workplace they're diverse, they have AA except they don't have paternal leave when they have maternal leave. If they're going to have AA then a man has a right to take 5 mos. off paid if a woman does too. It only takes a day to get the baby out of you (laughing, Cass saying there's a thing about nine months too). The laws aren't that great but what else is there.

Eddie goes. He's not too educated int he subject, but if you're qualified, it's like you want the cookies but you can't have it. If you're qualified, whether you're black white brown pink lavender whatever, if it's first come first serve, and you don't get it first, that's just too bad. As far as women in architecture, he doesn't see why they should push them into it, better just to educate ppl and say it's an option, it's not like they keep women from going into architecture anyway. Or with blacks in medicine. I'm not too educated in this subject and don't want to look dumber than I already look.

Phantommenace

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:14 pm Click here to edit this post

Once Cassandra finishes, the room grows silent. Eddie hops up and offers everyone a cookie. Brittany tells George to go, and he tells Brittany to go. Britt says AA is the best thing going right now, but she feels there is room for improvement.
Eddie says that he feels if you're qualified, you should be hired on a first come first serve basis. Eddie says that he disagrees with Cassandra's idea of encouraging women and blacks to get into specialties that have little women or blacks. Eddie says that no one should go out scouting women and blacks saying "Hey we don't have a lot of your kind in this field, come on join us" He says that everyone should just be educated on the subject and decide on whether they want to win.
George tells a story about a white cop more qualified than a black cop that applied for the same position. The black cop got the job and supposedly was less qualified. George says the white cop sued and lost. He felt that was wrong. He says he wants the most qualified people to work with.
Eddie says that he doesn't agree with the race question being on any applications. George says that it's not on any applications anymore. Eddie says that he still see it all the time.

Phantommenace

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:18 pm Click here to edit this post

Cassandra says that very early on in school, females are guided to believe they are good at liberal arts and not much of anything more. Cassandra says that there is nothing wrong with liberal arts, but society would be better with an equal amount of women in all types of work forces. She says that there are women that don't know they are good at doing certain things and men that think women are capable to do certain things.

Teecee

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:19 pm Click here to edit this post

F4
George now goes, it's a double-edged sword. It does have a time and it does have a place. I do think we're making a lot of progress, ok, but it's also making a lot of ripples along the way too. There was a case in IL where a black policeman and a white policeman, the one was more qualified but didn't get the job, the white sued and he did win it court, ok. I think what it comes down to is, for example, a doctor, I want the most qualified I can get, I want the best that you have when I go in there. What it comes down to again is this. You need to be treated fairly, ok, and that's the bottom line. If you have the qualifications, if you have the skills, we just need to throw everything else out the window. but once again, there is the 'old school' too like in the conversation last night. It does serve a purpose but we are making progress but it's not the answer to everything either.

Eddie says he doesn't agree that most applications today, college apps, job apps, applications to get a rebate for your VCR. They always ask age, sex, income level, your credentials. He thinks it's okay when they ask that but doesn't like when they ask what you are, black white Hispanic Asian, and also male/female. George says they don't have that anymore, Eddie says they do. Something about names like John Doe and Jane Doe, the one might actually be a female. The qualifications are on the app, it's a done deal, you meet 'em when you meet 'em. Talking further about how they ask black/white/Hispanic on the apps, he doesn't see why he should answer that.

Jamie says something that I couldn't get at all, sorry. It's unfortunate but in America women who have the same qualifications as men are making less money. There was some survey where women would need a 32% pay increase to be equal with men.

Cass says that what happens to girls early on in school is that they're socialized to believe they're capable in certain areas. Women believe they're good in liberal arts, that's the way they're taught. So to encourage a girl to look at architecture is only opening other doors for her. Society benefits from having women fully involved in all sectors. As far as the pay gap, if women get into better-paying areas they may be able to support themselves later on. It doesn't help society at all that 99% of engineers are men, they're just breeding generations of women who think they can't do it as well as men, and men who think women can't do it as well as men.

Curtis says they're missing out on enlarging the talent pool and if you start to cultivate minorities and women to enter certain professions (thru AA) that eventually they'll get a level playing field.

Cass says if you take a girl and give her the same math/science training as boys, there's no reason why she would be less qualified for engineering.

Phantommenace

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:20 pm Click here to edit this post

Brittany says that some females just don't want to do certain jobs and try to marry someone that is doing well off. She says a lot of people are just plain lazy. She says she knows a lot of people that asked her why she wanted to be a chemist and not a wife.

Teecee

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:25 pm Click here to edit this post

F4
Eddie asks what if a girl was in engineering, and drawn over it makes an imaginary line you know? (Apparently a joke - Cass goes "Eddie!" laughing)

Brit says women didn't have to get good jobs for a long time b/c they just married men who supported them. So a lot of it is just laziness, "I'm cute, I can just marry someone." It's not so much school or opportunity as much as it is family, and she thinks a lot of girls are just lazy, thinking they're just going to marry and have babies someday. She's 25, and she knows girls who aren't so blunt, who in college said "Why do you want to be a chemist? You don't have to" etc. Eddie says something about a chemist, blue hair, a test tube, and 'would just kill her.'

Cass says something is the result of the way they were socialized. Brit says for physicians, it's a serious consideration b/c by the time you finish your fellowship etc. you're at the age where if you plan to have a family you have to do it then. George says nowadays, it almost takes two incomes to live even semi-comfortably, it just costs so much money just to maintain. And years ago the man used to be able to go to work and make enough money by himself. But it's almost a necessity now to have two ppl working, that's how it is with his family. Curtis mentioning that law schools are currently 50-50, and some of the more brilliant law students are women, and it's totally acceptable for them to be the breadwinner. Says something about the "kept man" which is an interesting social phenomenon.

Brit says there's pressure on guys to get an education and get a good job, that's something you have to do to get a girl to marry you. (Jamie says something about plus a guy doesn't want a girl to make more than him). Curtis says he'd be happy with that.

BB has a new set of discussion questions. Name five things you would like to have in the house. Eddie says the rest of the jigsaw puzzle would be nice!

Phantommenace

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:27 pm Click here to edit this post

Eddie says in the law field, the enrollment is 50/50 right now. The room gets silent for a second.
Brittany says that men have a lot of pressure on them because they are expected to suceed. Curtis jokes that he would love to have someone doing all the work.
Big Brother asks the house guests to name 5 things that they wish they had in the house with them right now. Jamie is ordered to start first. Eddie takes over and says a dumbell rack. Curtis says a hot tub and a vacuum. George agrees. Cassandra says a microwave. Josh says paper and a pen. Britt adds a swing set. Eddie adds an encyclopedia. Josh adds newspapers.
Big Brother asks for them to name 5 things that they could've have put in their briefcases. Most say song books. Josh says more magazines.

Teecee

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:27 pm Click here to edit this post

F4
George - hot tub (lots of agreement)

BB says go individually, Jamie go first. Eddie suggests they go around one at a time. George claims the hot tub, says after the dance, the 'old man' could have used a hot tub.

Eddie - #1 a dumbbell rack would be nice, 10 to 80 (lbs.) would be nice.

Brit - missed it

Curtis - vacuum cleaner
Cass - microwave
George - his #2 dishwasher
Josh - piece of paper and pen
Brit - big swing set (little reaction)
Eddie - full-blown updated encyclopedia
Josh - last week's newspapers (Jamie agrees)

BB says I'm going to refine this. Five things that you wish you'd brought with you IN YOUR SUITCASE. George - we've already done this BB. BB says why don't you think about it some more.

Phantommenace

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:30 pm Click here to edit this post

Josh says a whistle ball and a whistle ball bat. Eddie says Stephen King novels. Cassandra adds spices, a reference book and her moms recipes. George adds a cook book and nicer clothes. Curtis says that he would've brought more T-shirts. Everyone agrees on the fact that they should've brought more clothes, coffee, and scrap books. Curtis says an electric razor, and Eddie jumps in with more pictures.

Teecee

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 06:32 pm Click here to edit this post

F4
Eddie - select CD jackets w/song lyrics
George - songbook
Josh - magazines, George agrees, says he's even reading Cosmopolitan.
Jamie - don't really miss anything
Curtis - wish he'd brought more sweatshirts, it's so cold in this house.
George - more candy
Curtis - a sampling of more pictures, like Brit has, he didn't bring any
Cassandra - selection of spices, not just salt and pepper. Cayenne pepper and that kind of stuff.
Josh - wiffle ball, wiffle ball bat
Eddie - more books, esp. Stephen King Dark Tower series #1-3 (#4 is in the house)
George - Amish cookbook (Curtis agrees, The Joy of Cooking would be nice)
Cassandra - reference book like Who's Who.
George - another pair of nicer clothes, b/c something happened to his.
Curtis - more T-shirts, white ones since he now knows they are acceptable.
Brit - more clothes too, Curtis says more things for the live shows, George agrees.
Curtis - more coffee, more deluxe coffee - Jamie agrees.
Brit - scrapbooks, Curtis agrees.
Jamie says something, Brit wants her toothbrush, Curtis wants something. Eddie wants more pictures like the kind he gave BB. Maybe like a set of (something) to wear. Josh playing with the dog. Josh says something, George says Sloshy fits into that category. (Undoubtedly another gay joke - no laughter this time other than George -ed.)