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Maddy

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 03:55 pm Click here to edit this post

This has been bothering me and I'm not sure why. But I've been getting the impression from a lot of posters that the reason they think Jamie is so disliked is because she's female and all of us other females are jealous.

I'd like to set something straight about that...at least personally with me.

Jamie 5'6"
Jamie 154 lbs (going off BB2000 website)
Jamie long hair(brown)
Jamie attractive

Me 5'6"
Me 125 lbs
Me longer hair (red)
Me I'm told I am

So why don't I care for Jamie? I recall when Brittany was banished out of the house, Curtis was upset, Josh looked shell-shocked, and Jamie... to Curtis "How did I do?" That just totally blew me away. She was supposed to be a good friend of Britt's but she was worried about her camera appearance.

I work in an industry where your looks are important. I wear make-up, nail polish, jewelry, and perfume. But when I'm not at work, the make-up is gone, I smell like good old-fashioned soap and I don't know what a ring looks like (gets in the way of my gardening).

I just don't care for the 'have to look perfect routine'. That was played out in high school for me.

What I'm trying to say is that I don't dislike her because of her looks. I dislike her because of her attitude. To me it's shallow. So if I'm jealous...someone re-define the word for me please! LOL

Battlestar

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 03:58 pm Click here to edit this post

Go to this thread "A New Poll. Please NO Attacking!!"

It seems to be fairly well split between the sexes on the liking and disliking of Jamie

Franny1

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 04:02 pm Click here to edit this post

You hit the nail on the head from my perspective. I don't dislike her because she is pretty, but she needs to be real. When Curtis went to the Emmys she wanted to know if he say Anthony Sepulveda (casting director she spent 2 minutes with)..How would he even know who this guy was. Then when her best friend Britt banished, she wanted to know how she did. She only wanted to know if she was on the cover of TV guide. She can't comment on her feelings it might put her in a bad light with the public. These are not things to hate her for, and I don't, but they are borish.

Snogrl

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 04:07 pm Click here to edit this post

Maddy,
That was the same moment for me (Jamie - How did I do) that I began to see her differently. Give me honest emotion anyday.

Battlestar

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 04:09 pm Click here to edit this post

Jamie was liked before she picked the director

Lafatme

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 04:54 pm Click here to edit this post

maddy, i commented on women disliking jamie but i never said anything about jealousy.

i was stating that it appears that women judge other women more harshly than they do men. in other words, women cut more slack for men and tend to excuse their imperfections.

regarding wearing makeup to work-jamie IS at work. you like to relax at home but your home isn't on tv and internet all the time. most likely she doesn't obsess about makeup when at her REAL home either.

regarding grief for brit, i didn't cry when my dad died, do you think i wasn't grieving? you bet i was.i felt i needed to show strength for my mother so i held it in. we don't all show what we're feeling all the time.

it's not fair to put someone down because they don't act as we would in certain circumstances. none of us have been in the HGs situation anyway.

i'm not saying there aren't reasons why jamie might not be someone's favorite, i'm just saying there is no reason to HATE HER.

Maddy

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 05:08 pm Click here to edit this post

I never said I HATED her. I said I disliked her. And all I have done is express why I feel this way. You don't agree and that's fine.

Shayrainb

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 05:35 pm Click here to edit this post

The conciousness of herself at all times is what turns me off.The constant hair-flipping,straightening her shirt,appying lip-gloss.She expends so much energy constantly straightening herself up...like she's always on display.I wish she'd just get over herself and relax,be natural.Is this attacking?I don't mean it that way..its just that she makes me nervous b/c she never seems comfortable with herself.

Latearriver

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 08:38 pm Click here to edit this post

Shay-thank you for putting into words what I have been feeling.

There is another post where a couple of people were talking about Jamie flipping her hair. Everything about her is so 'physical'. She is always fussing with herself, does not seem at all comfortable with her body. After a few pageants, one would think she would be more comfortable in her own skin.

I stopped liking her when she was campaigning to George about voting Karen out of the house. It was the first time I had heard any of the HGs badmouth another one with what I perceived to be a hidden agenda. Her ME, ME, ME comments since then did nothing to endear her to me. Her reluctance to ever offer any opinions while eliciting opinions from everyone else didn't seem so much an interest in the others but a way to find their weakpoints so she could exploit them.

I don't hate her, I just don't want to see her win. She was one of the best players but now it has become a popularity contest and she is not popular with me.

Deeya

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 09:16 pm Click here to edit this post

I'm not a Jaime hater either.. but I don't have her on the list of people I am hoping to become friends with (okay.. I am probably not her list either)... but..

I'm not jealous of her... I really wouldn't want to be so concerned about how I looked that I was always "fixing" myself up... the lip gloss and teeth licking are annoying (to me)... but all of this still isn't the main reason I don't care for Jaime..

I think that there has been so much bashing about who's done what work in the house.. but only a few have mentioned/noticed how little Jaime does.. yes she has made cookies and cake.. and even one day pancakes... for anything else regarding cooking.. it seems that someone has to specifically ask her to help....

Curtis does 90% of the cooking now... Eddie grills (and has been asked to not do any other cooking as apparently he sucks as a cook)...

Josh and Eddie do the dishes 95% of the time.. Curtis helps out there a lot.... (Jaime's contribution to the dishwashing seems to be rinsing them and putting them in the dishdrain... if she helps at all)...

She doesn't seem to do anything to help with the yard (Eddie, Josh, and Curtis do all of that ...others helped earlier).. and the guys do all the cleaning in the bathroom..

So just what does she do to help out... She doesn't even make up her bed anymore... (not sure on this but I THINK the guys at least make an attempt there)...

Floresmama

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 09:48 pm Click here to edit this post

Does mentioning that Jamie seems to only worry about how she looks but doesn't consider how it looks to have only made your bed approximately five times in three months constitute bashing?

Pinkele

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 10:06 pm Click here to edit this post

Ahhh, this thread I like after being accused of the same thing.
I liked her to start with, after all we were being drowned in Mega/Jordan sagas all the time, so she was one of the good ones
But, over the weeks she has really started to irk me. I'll say it again, I'm not sure why. Something rubs me the wrong way

And I'm 5'6" 115lbs, fair skinned, and dark haired. I'm not jealeous, and I *do* go on cam frequently, before that's thrown in my face, so I *am* open to critisism.
And I haven't been swayed by the group think on this board either, hell I didn't even find the board until recently.

I'm a grown up, as most of us are, we can reach our own conclusions.
I don't slag off people who support HGs I detest (which is no-one) and I certainly wouldn't throw half-arsed reasoning behind their hatred.

Columbus

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 10:18 pm Click here to edit this post

The strange thing with Jamie is that in the beginning I considered her a nonentity. I never
even gave her a second thought because she was
such a weak personality. There was Jordan, Britt,
and Karen amusing all of us and Jamie just did not
partake. She didn't strike me as anything except
a pretty face and a miss goodie two-shoes. It was
only after the Britt-Josh-Jamie triangle that I
started to notice her. I certainly am not jealous of her..I am 5'8" tall and I weigh 132 lbs. and a red head and my husband has always told
me that "you can never be too thin or too rich"!

Lafatme

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 12:19 am Click here to edit this post

maddy!, i'm sorry. my post was poorly written, i meant the last paragraph to be a general statement to all, not aimed at you. i just re-read it and realized i never drew the distinction. i'm really sorry. you are entitled to your opinion, as is everyone else here. i'm just trying to get people to realize it's a game and these are real people with feelings. soon they'll be out and reading our posts and i don't think it's necessary to post hurtful things about them.

i didn't mean to post anything hurtful or mean about you. i feel bad. sorry.

Save_Jamie

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 12:24 am Click here to edit this post

The very fact that you start a thread about her proves you are jealous of her. I am really sick and tired of all of the hate directed at this innocent, beautiful, talented, wonderful girl. It needs to stop. How dare you criticize her after Josh stabs her in the back on Saturday's show. If it wasn't for him she would be in the final three where she so rightfully belongs.

Battlestar

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 12:43 am Click here to edit this post

Josh didn't stab her in the back---he decided in his own mind who to vote for---maybe you don't like his reasons (monetary need) but that was for him to decide. He always carefully thought out his nominations and never relied on dice as Jamie did so many times.

Nobody rightfully belonged in the final three---it was a crap game from the get go--maybe Jamie had it right all along with the dice--though her making some decisions would have been nice. But if you want to base it who has been the most popular player---Jamie from the beginning of the game has rarely gotten out of the single digits...... Jordan, Karen, Britt, George, Cass and even Mega had the same right to be in the final three as these 4 left.

Jamie will succeed in life--she is strong, young, beautiful---whether she gets to go for her passion in the entertainment field will have absolutely nothing to do with people on chat boards---it will in the end be up to her--her persona--her ablity to take the good with the bad. But if she doesn't succeed ---she can always say it is all because of the Big Brother experience and nothing to do with her--Good Deal eh!!

But she will do well--she's got great friends, family and lots of fans--I'm sure we will all hear from her again.

Katie

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 12:56 am Click here to edit this post

Battlestar,

SaveJamie is being funny all over the board. I think they are being sarcastic.

Snowgirl

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 12:58 am Click here to edit this post

Re people (women) being jealous of Jamie: Though I have been a defender of her for a while, I used to dismiss other defenders who said the Jamie-haters were jealous. It just seemed too easy to me, too dismissive of what people were saying (even when I didn't agree with what they were saying.)

But I've come to the conclusion that some (not all) Jamie bashers ARE jealous. Or at least very bitter and angry people, and Jamie has become a focal point of that bitterness and anger.

I'm talking specifically about the people (can't name names - don't remember the individuals, and even if I did, I wouldn't want to be accusing of attacking other posters) who have stated things like "I can't wait til Jamie gets out of the house and falls on her face/sees that she's not a star/realizes everyone thinks she's a loser", etc.

Now, as I said, this is not all of the Jamie haters. But it's not such a small minority, either - I've seen variations on that statement at least a couple of dozen times on here.

I think those people ARE jealous - why would you want to see someone (who you don't know and who has never done anything to you) "brought down" otherwise? It is not the response of an emotionally healthy person, that's for sure. Rather, it's the response of someone who is themselves so insecure and unhappy, the only thing that brings them joy is causing pain. Really sick and depressing.

Maddy

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 06:36 am Click here to edit this post

Save Jamie,
"The very fact that you start a thread about her proves you are jealous of her."

So if I start a thread about Eddie, Josh, or Curtis, am I jealous of them also? LMAO that's funny!

You are a Jamie fan and hey we are all fans on somebody on here. We are also allowed our own opinion, but make sure it's an opinion and not an attack.

"How dare you criticize her after Josh stabs her in the back on Saturday's show. If it wasn't for him she would be in the final three where she so rightfully belongs."

I have to agree with Battlestar on this one. Josh did not stab her in the back. If anything, he stuck to his 'nominating by need' criteria. Eddie needs it the most therefore he doesn't nominate him. Who's left? And whoever deserves to be in the final 3 WILL be in the final 3. The public will decide 'Rightfully So!'

Deeya

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 06:43 am Click here to edit this post

Why is it that Josh voting for Jamie is "stabbing her in the back" when Jamie also voted for Josh? Does that mean she also stabbed him in the back?

I think Jamie was smart enough to figure out that if she voted as she did.. they were all 4 going to be up for banishment.. and the public would make the decision. Give her credit for thinking it through. I've have been much more surprised if she had voted for Curtis.. and considered that more of a "stab in the back" if you want to think of the nominations that way. For a girl who genuinely seems to like all the HG, I think she was totally uncomfortable with the voting process.

Maddy

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 06:44 am Click here to edit this post

Lafatme! Please don't feel bad! I have read some of your posts in other threads and I know now you didn't direct that to me personally. I just needed to make the distinction that I didn't hate her. I try not to hate anybody!

I started a thread last night about Eddie (which means I am jealous of him according to SaveJamie LMAO) about what he would do if he read all these posts. I think he would literally die laughing when/if he does read them. He would get a kick out of causing so much controversy.

Would Curtis and Josh feel the same? I'd say even odds. I even think that Jamie would find the postings interesting. She might be a little hurt at first but I think some of them might actually open her eyes and that would be wonderful.

Txgirl

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 07:00 am Click here to edit this post

Ok now everyone keeps saying jamie was only concerned about her co-hosting job instead of brittany's banishment.. I don't see it that way i honestly think when she opened that envelope in the rr with brittany's name on it she was about to cry and had to take a few deep breaths before she left the room.. about her talking about her co-hosting job i was watching the live video and also tv and she only talked about her hosting was when someone else brought it up...examples are:
Eddie was hugging her outside because he knew she was upset about having to say brittany's name and he said don't worry about it brittany will be ok out there and jamie said she was really worried because she knew brittany didn't want to go, then eddie brought up don't worry you did a good job and she said that she really had to "act" because she couldn't say anything about who was in that envelope..
also when george came in the room to comfort jamie she was reading that poem of hers (the one she always turns to when she is down) and george said dont worry about brittany and then he brought up the co-hosting thing not jamie but yes when they brought it up sure she talked about it and why not.. she has been nothing but loyal to brittany and has never nominated brittany either.. as a matter of fact i recall one rr visit during nominations she said she rolled the dice and brit's number came up but she just couldn't bring herself to nominate brit because she loved her like a sister and so she had to re-roll..so i just don't understand how people can say she didn't care for brittany...

Feedmealine

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 08:50 am Click here to edit this post

My thoughts, be they long and rambling,but sincere.

Jamie is just like a girl I knew in HS. She was way heavy into BQ stuff. Very focused on herself. Always primping and preening.
She was not an excepional beauty but she carried herself like she believed she was a goddess.
Everyone in school hated her.

I was assigned to her, in Drill team as her big sister, helper. So I got to know her indepth.
She was very insecure, stressed out continually over how she looked what she said and how she was preceved. she hated her mother, and loved her too, always trying to measure up to her mothers expectations.

On the other hand, I was average, very crazy outgoing and pretty popular, well liked. Always high on common sense but not a brain for sure! ha!
Tomboyish, in a sexy way, I am told.
I think I was real to who I was, thanks to my mother building my confidence and believeing in ME for who I was not what others wanted me to be.

So here are two totally different ppl put together that clashed! But I could see through her facad of how she wanted others to see her, and how she really was. So I did my best to boost her confidence. I felt sorry for her,and I always have to try to save ppl like this.

After HS she wanted to keep the friendship going. But I really wanted it to end. Over time it fizzled out. We were too different.
But she was going to go on and do all be all and become a huge star. She did win several contest.
But in the end she married and had children and was happy as she could be I guess. Realality came to visit and stayed.

So I do speak from some experience when I say, I know this type person Jamie is. I have spent a great deal of time with several like her.
For the most part they are self centered and egotistical. Very incomplete in their feelings and connections with others. They learn how to 'act' for the pagents and the PC responces and they give them continually. So much so that they forget how to truly express themselves.

Part of my friends problem was from family treating her as a princess, then telling her how bad she did in a pagent. This broke her confidence and then turned and rebuilt it before the next pagent.
Who could be normal treated this way?
I'm not saying this is Jamie's case...but I've seen it again and again.

Sorry to ramble here..but all this to say, I feel sorry for jamie in a way. She dosen't know the real person she wants to be. She is to focused on her looks and too focused on what others think.

I don't like the way she acts, manerisms, etc. But it again shows how insecure she is.
Rolling dice is a way to take the heat off her own conceince.

Jealous of her? No, I'm very happy with my life and have always had a huge sense of humor, that's why I didn't get blessed with beauty! :-)
But I'll take a 'real', homely, humorous person anyday over a stiff, insecure meely mouth, self absorbed one!

One last thing in this entirely to long post!
When I was 17 I had a lupus flair, (didn't know I had the disease back then), and my face broke out in huge sores. I was ill for a month looking like this. Prior to this I was a primper too.

After tons of treatment I finally returned to the normal plain beautiful me! After this I realize that beauty is truly only skin deep and can go in a flicker of an eye.
So at that time humor and inner strength was all I had to go on. It also became the way I judge ppl in the world, not on their outer beauty.

So this is way I find Jamie the LEAST attractive to me for wanting them to win. They all have done great to get this far, but to win I want someone who is real,willing to expose their true feelings.
Anyone of the guys can win and I'll be happy!

Spot

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 08:59 am Click here to edit this post

Jealous? Certainly not of Jamie. If I were to be jealous, it would be of a few of my friends who are prettier, smarter and richer in $$ than I. But I'm not jealous of them, either. But I can only speak for myself. Jamie's self-centeredness (real word??) is the only negative I find in her. I'd like to think, also, that I'm not more critical of her, as has been suggested, because I am a woman. The only rationalization I have for thinking that, is that if Curtis (my favorite) were to start showing that same egocentric attitude, I would sour on him as well. But the real test for me would be, what if there were a man and woman in the house equally balanced in personal traits, etc. Would I naturally favor the man, or the woman? I don't know.

Whit4you

Monday, September 25, 2000 - 10:04 am Click here to edit this post

My opinion (as if anyone wants it)

I think the real reason many of us seem to dislike or at least don't want Jamie to win is alot deeper then anything I see posted regarding her.

Since the 3rd or 4th show - I disliked her - and could not figure out WHY. Over the last few weeks I finally started to figure it out. And I think perhaps all those who complain about her being shallow / the makeup/ the director etc - may just have needed a REASON to explain why they disliked or didn't want to see her win.

I'll explain - and perhaps it will make more sense to you then all the "excuses" being used as to why you don't like Jamie (or don't want to see her win) For me - what I figured out is that Jamie really isn't there, in that house. There's a body there, a surface conversationalist, but there is not a PERSON there. Every waking moment in that house to Jamie - is about future goals (nothing wrong with that) Jamie will not do/ or say ANYTHING that does not fit in with a future goal. She's on a stage and she's playing a part.
The problem is unless you recognize that it leaves you with bad vibes - and the need to reconicile those vibes with a REASON. Grasping at straws we try to find SOMETHING she's done/said that justifies our feelings. An example - she appears to be Brit's friend, Brit gets banished, people dislike Jamie more because they think she's being two-faced, or shallow to react the way she reacted. But your judging her based on your concept of reality, and how YOU would feel - if you were in Jamie's shoes and YOUR friend just got banished. So you judge her accordingly.
It gives you a REASON behind the dislike.


What I'd like you to think about is this. Jamie has an agenda. Your agenda FOR her is different. She has plans for her future, what specifically they are I do not know, but WINNING this showis not the agenda, her plans are alot deeper then that and when you understand that I think you'll see there is no reason to dislike her.

She was offered this stage - and she's using it for the purpose she wants to use it. It may not fit your purpose (entertainment) but that is not a reason to dislike her.

Once I realized all of this, and watched Jamie after - it was so OBVIOUS, in every word she selectively chose to say, every act she chose to do that I had to laugh at myself.

Jamie isn't about to care if you think she's lazy because she isn't doing enough housework there, or because she is not letting out one ounce of who she is at a person, unless it fits into her plan.
I see glee in some posts because "hehehehe what till she gets out and finds out what people REALLY think of her" Jamie when she gets out and finds out there are thousands of people who are so shallow - that they appear to dislike HER as a PERSON based on a stage act - will not for a minute take it personally. Jamie knows that anyone who KNOWS her as a person LIKES her, and will have no reason to take it personally that some people have such sad lives that they take joy in imagining Jamie's face when she finds out there finds out the TRUTH about the thousands of shallow people who judge her for being shallow n a stage.

ALL that being said. I still do not like Jamie, and do not want her to win. I do not dislike the REAL Jamie, the person behind the actress on the stage I've been watching - since she hasn't given us ONE clue as to who that person is.
But I dislike interrupting MY entertainment to fill her agenda. I chose to watch this show for a reason, to see real people interact. She's got .
What CBS has given her - would have cost millions otherwise - 20 hours of prime time advertising - hundreds of hours of internet advertising of a future product. But I get enough ads between segments of the show.

Somewhere inside the shell we see is the real Jamie, for all I know the real Jamie might be someone I think is awesome, and would love to get to know.

Casting directors - take note: She's perfect hands down for the part of 21st century Robot.She's played the part now 24/7 for 3 months.
She'd also be perfect for the part of an alien from another planet. She can play the part without giving the audience ANY sense that there is anything truly "human" about the character. She's got that character down pat.