Having legitimate reasons not to like someone

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Rufusgriswold

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 11:43 am Click here to edit this post

Eddie will probably win the big money because he represents the kind of success story most Americans truly admire. Imagine being able to sleep and piss three months of your life away, expressing every angry, hateful thought that comes into your head, spit on the hardworkers who otherwise surpass you in everyway, and walk away with half a million dollars. It's the American dream.

Deni_San

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 11:43 am Click here to edit this post

As someone who was hardly a Jamie supporter for most of the BB show, I have to say that I have modified my attitude towards Jamie. Since I started off at the BBBlows board, Jamie got a lot of flack for "going into a trance", "communicating with the mothership", and was referred to as "The Chin". For me, at the time, it was just having fun, even though I was immediately turned off by her voice.

I also remember a time where people cheered that Jamie finally got that Karen was indeed backbitting everyone except Britt. Karen was turning on her biggest allies, George and Eddie. People got excited that she tried to warn people about this, and were psyched when Karen was finally up for nomination. Once Karen was gone, it seems that same people regard Jamie as 2-faced, because she was also nice to Karen. I think Jamie was nice to Karen, because despite Karen's backbitting, it was obvious Karen was having a tough time. She couldn't tell Karen about nominating her because at the time the house agreed not to discuss these things or treat the nominated differently.

At the time, I was upset that she let Curtis hang in the wind on the Karen nomination, but later realized with the help of Jamie supporters that she couldn't say anything and Curtis himself supported what she did.

Jamie did make a mistake making her ambitions known. I think writing the letter to the producers was a naive act that made her a target of the BB producers, who seem to want to take her down more than a notch or two. I think this has bled into the show's culture to make fun of her aspirations and we have all bought into it. I finally woke up and realized that she is not as bad as her detractors say. I feel bad that it took so long to realize it. I wish Jamie all the best.

Mystery

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 11:43 am Click here to edit this post

Jennylynn, I should have finished my post (I was checking it and inadvertently sent it off) because I agree with what you said. Jamie's supporters throw around the word "jealous" way too often. I don't remember ever hearing any poster who criticized a male HG called "jealous."

Nadi, I agree with you too.

Solani

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 11:44 am Click here to edit this post

I like Jamie. Her troubles started when Karen was allowed to reveal the nominations. In my opinion BB should have been drawn and quartered for this.

She suffers from never having had a close girl friend in the house - to talk about girl things and share secrets. Britt, unfortunately, was able to only partly fulfill this need. Jamie realized early on that Britt was absolutely unable to keep a secret. If we think back, her time with Britt was largely spent in the role of listener and comforter.

Although Jamie has obvious flaws, I find myself having considerable empathy for her.

Rufusgriswold

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 11:48 am Click here to edit this post

Mystery, I beg to differ with you. I am very jealous of Eddie. I have worked all my life to be a caring, gentle, forgiving man and I haven't a fraction of the admirers that he has. I've recently started to emulate him in the hope that some of his qualities would rub off on me, but my wife just got angry when I called her an f-ing b*tch and urinated on the carpet. :)

Lisat

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 12:10 pm Click here to edit this post

Rufus - Did you have a bad day at work?

Rufusgriswold

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 12:24 pm Click here to edit this post

Lisat -- thanks for asking. The last week has been the pits. I find myself defending a woman that I've never particularly liked and arguing against a man who is probably a pretty decent guy under all the b*llsh*t. The only person left in that house who has behaved completely admirably is Curtis, and I don't think he has a prayer of winning first prize. Most people agree that he's a good guy, but how many people are passionate enough about him to lay out more than a buck for him to win? The last episode of Survivor was a nail-biter, but BB has become a massive yawn. Other than the "Eddie-lovers," does anyone really care how this ends?

Most of all, I've put off working on more important things because of this obsession. Saturday will be the first day without BB in three months and I'm so looking forward to it. I will miss the conversations on this board, however (at least until the past week). For the most part, the conversation has been intelligent and thought-provoking. I have learned, however, that some opinions just can't be changed. You just have to accept the right of others to disagree.

Lisat

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 01:05 pm Click here to edit this post

Rufus - I have thoroughly enjoyed reading all of your insightful posts. You are very thoughtful and articulate when posting and easy to understand. I appreciate other viewpoints very much--even when I disagree with them...

Curtis will win...because sometimes nice guys do finish first!

Mystery

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 01:12 pm Click here to edit this post

Rufus, I can't believe your wife didn't find those actions endearing! :) I hestitate to ask, but is it possible that she also did not offer you $500,000 for performing them?

Snowgirl

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 02:06 pm Click here to edit this post

" I have seen the words like evil, sickening, vile and disgusting thrown around more by Jamie's defenders themselves than by her detractors. I have yet to read a single post here where someone uses one of those words to describe Jamie."

Nadi, please believe, I have seen those words used to describe Jamie - "evil" and "disgusting" I've seen multiple times. I remember them well because they seemed so inappropriate and harsh.

"Most of the posters who dislike Jamie have tried to present their viewpoint in a calm way."

I disagree. A minority of anti-Jamie posters have done so, but I believe the majority of posts against her have been unfair, flip and nasty in tone. I guess it's all a matter of perception.

"Many of them do have legitimate reasons for not liking her."

I don't doubt that there are legitimate reasons for disliking ANY of the HG. It's all a matter of what pushes your buttons. But the vitriolic and hateful nature of a lot of these posts is not appropriate, IMO, and there is no legitimate reason for it.

Rufus, I can totally sympathize with your comments about defending Jamie, arguing against Eddie and thinking Curtis is the best of the lot.

Kuh, loved your take on Eddie. Unfortunately, you can't convince his devotees that he doesn't walk on water (or hop - oh, I'm bad!)

All I've wanted here is a more balanced view of Eddie and Jamie. As I said in my post above, I think they're both decent but flawed people - like most of us, probably.

Alimerz

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 02:10 pm Click here to edit this post

"I don't think it means females should now be pressured to conform to whatever your definition of the post-modern woman should be or that they are a "stepford" woman if they don't meet your standards. "

A brief struggle in attempt to find a trace of logic in this reply has left me with this-
Maybe Jordan will help you look up the word "stepford"...I hear she has a dictionary.

Lafatme

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 02:46 pm Click here to edit this post

snogirl,

you're absolutely right. i've been defending jamie, although she's not my favorite, simply because the jamie haters have been so mean, spiteful, and rude. for no reason!

the world does not have to be comprised of love or hate. in fact, most people have no opinion of most other people. we don't know each other, and, truthfully, could care less about most others.

root for your favorite, that's fine. be indifferent to the others. there is no reason to hate anyone in the house. WE DON'T KNOW THEM WELL ENOUGH TO LOVE OR HATE THEM!

Chris

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 03:07 pm Click here to edit this post

Lafatme: Well said. The people who one might expect could raise emotions are already OUT of the house. These 4 have been the most vanilla since the start, yet now they are treated as though they were evil incarnate.

Hey people, the Survivors are on Hollywood Squares right now!