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Dulci | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 08:37 am  Eddie is Alpha Male [heck, Alpha person] in the house, with no parental figure [Cass, George] to say even mildly disproving things. He is pushing to find the boundary of unacceptable behavior. He hasn't found it yet, as no one left will draw a line. Think animal kingdom, he lets out roars, and swats at others to check their reactions, and to reinforce his Alpha position. |
Tishala | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 09:12 am  There is nothing alpha about Eddie; we have seen that Curtis is the real leader of this silly group of flunkies. [Indeed, Curtis should see it as a responsibility to stop Eddie's idiotic behavior, but I guess he has been nominated too many times to feel like he can have a voice.] He is more like the omega male--the end point of boorishness. |
Tarotot | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 10:34 am  Tishala: love your Alpha to Omega observations, and agree totally. |
Soweird | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 10:35 am  Geez, I think it's obvious. Eddie wants somebody to play with. That's why he was so devastated when Brittany left. He is forever trying to get a playful reaction out of the others. It's not an easy thing to do with the current group of people. Once when he finally got Cassandra to laugh at one of his stupid jokes, he turned to the camera and said "See, that's how you do it" (make Cass laugh). Other examples: - Banging pots and pans like a gypsy dancer. A lot of people went ballistic on Eddie over this, but Cassandra's reaction to the video clip of it during her banishment interview was... genuine laughter, a rarity for her. - Lying partially in Brittany's lap and staring at her without saying anything. Brittany took about a dozen different approaches to dealing with it, baby-talking him, sweet talking him, laughing at him, etc. Finally she asked the rest of the group "Does anybody else find this behavior strange?!" as she LHAO. - Coming after Pugita with "The Claw". (For those who might not know, this is using your hand as a "monster" in the manner of Jim Carrey in "Liar, Liar"). Some think that Eddie said the "clothesline" thing so he could enjoy watching Jamie feel uncomfortable. Hardly. I'm sure he was disappointed that he couldn't elicit a playful response from her. If he was really interested in just hurting her, why the heck wouldn't he just clothesline her? What would be the point of talking about it? The whole thing was just a variation on The Claw. But unlike Pugita, Jamie has no sense of humor. One last note to women: I beg you, if a guy is making you uncomfortable, tell him to stop. |
Webrover9 | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 10:38 am  Bkmac in no way was I criticizing anyone's home life and I hope that you didn't take it that way. I am five years older than my brother and not above "popping" him every so often. It's just that he always told and I got into trouble. My parents just didn't allow hitting. We are both grown now and couldn't be better buddies. I guess that it's just something that I saw in Eddie that didn't seem right. Maybe it was the look in his eyes, it was mean. Of course, not being Miss Washington I would have told him to knock it off! |
Katie | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 10:41 am  What I don't understand is this, why doesn't he do these type of things with the guys? Only the females. If he was doing this with the men too, it would make more sense to me. |
Soweird | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 10:52 am  >What I don't understand is this, why doesn't he do these type of things >with the guys? Only the females. If he was doing this with the men too, >it would make more sense to me. When guys do these kinds of things, it's usually a lot rougher. Slugging each other in the arm, wrestling violently, etc. Someone could actually get hurt. Usually you only do those things with a brother or close friend, which Josh and Curtis aren't. If you did the milder forms of teasing with another guy, it'd seem a little too much like flirting, and Eddie isn't gay (as far as we know). So instead he drinks beer, belches, farts and tells dirty jokes with the guys. Same thing, different approach. |
Smrtass | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 10:57 am  Katie, he DOES do some of this behavior with Josh while they're working out with the weights. He calls him a p*ssy and says other things that sound aggressive, but seem to me like friendly posturing. He and Josh have been exchanging barbs lately, Josh just makes sure to follow his insults with giggles so that Eddie is clear that it's not real. And remember, he threatened to kick George's ass, yet we all knew he would never do such a thing. His relationship with Curtis is different and he doesn't act the same way with him. When he used to antagonize Brit, she used to holler back at him, both of them saying how much they hated each other, etc. Eddie doesn't have good people skills (understatement) and I hope that seeing the tapes of the show and hearing people's reactions to his behavior help him to grow up and learn to behave properly. |
Tukuul | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 11:46 am  His mommy needs to bend him over her knee and spank his booty while the soap bar hangs out of his mouth. |
Bijoux | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 11:52 am  I had read the boards here before seeing last nights show and so was watching Jamie's reaction when Eddie did his clothesline bit. While she wasn't amused, she also didn't flinch or bat an eye. She wasn't afraid and knew he was joking on her. |
Franny1 | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 11:57 am  He does tease and say things to the guys, but no one gets upset. The guys have said stuff in front of her and done things that most of you would find inappropriate, but she is living in house of young guys and will have to get a tough skin. If something bothers her she needs to say so. She wants to be one of the guys, and I related the incident as just that, Eddie trying to make her one of the guys....stop making such a big thing out of nothing. |
Gonnagetfired | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:00 pm  never mind... |
Franny1 | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:04 pm  and I can see some on the boards have no more manners than they accuse eddie of having.(yuk) |
Nance | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:23 pm  Geesh...lighten up people it was like the time he was shooting rubber bands and got one back in the eye. Eddie just likes to play, and was trying to lighten things up...CBS edited this is a bad light, as it was Jamie who pushed the envelope asking what does that mean "Clothes Line Me" and to show her...Eddie never put one hand on her and would of done this to Cass as well. With all the room at the table why is it Eddie & Jamie were sitting so close to one another ? Because Jamie isn't afraid of Eddie, she has always wanted him to like her & I think Eddie does like her ...after all he has never roughed housed with her in the pool the 2 times she was in with the guys.Never baited her to get into the pool and has always been polite to her when she comes in to him to talk. Just my 2  worth. |
Renee | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:24 pm  I think that people have brought up a lot of interesting points in this thread, but then they often fail to follow them to a logical conclusion. For example: Those of you who distrust CBS's editing say it doesn't show her to have Really gotten up and looked as upset as the expression on her face would tell when she did. Yet you believe that she went to his room soon after this incident without question. I didn't see it on the live feed, but does anyone remember her going to his room and saying/doing what Appeared to be the exact same thing a day or two before? How do we know that they showed that in sequence? It would appear that you believe what you want to believe based on who you like or dislike going in. How about this. Take Eddie and Jamie out of the equation entirely. That might eliminate the bias you may feel towards/against one of them. Instead, replay the incident making the central characters, say George and Karen. Or Will Mega and Cass, Josh and Britt, you get the idea. NOW what do you think? Did your take on it change any? Or, if you have or think you ever will, put your own daughter in there. Would you think it appropriate or amusing if he said and did that to Her? I think he Did cross the line there. Particularly when he continued on with both his hand and mouth after she asked "why?" looking hurt and bewildered. I'm also tired of his "b*tch" comments. Boys will be boys doesn't in my mind apply to 21 year old men. About clotheslining; it is a fake wrestling move. It is Also a real physical attack. I've seen it done (in my close friend's backyard) by a man who was Not playing and it did leave the bruise that he described. It also left the one who was on the "receiving end" gasping for breath and in a lot of pain. Finally, I play wrestle and fight with my son and husband too. The difference is - that's what they Are to me. People I love and trust implicitly. I don't know why people keep bringing family members into this as an example when they are Not family members. I don't see what the (possible) reactions of other HGs has to do with it either. It Wasn't Britt or Cass - it was Jamie. (That's the spelling btw, it's shown at the top of this page to the woman who asked.) Anyone can see it's not her style and it was an aggressive thing to say. As far as the other guys, yeah I suppose they would have done something if she were in real danger, which she wasn't, I still lost a lot of respect for them sitting there like dufuses while he deliberately made her uncomfortable. They're being wimps doesn't excuse Eddie imho. |
Franny1 | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:29 pm  you are right nance |
Chris | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:35 pm  Renee: > It Wasn't Britt or Cass - it was Jamie Yes, and it wasn't > George and Karen You can't have it both ways. |
Franny1 | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 01:04 pm  just watching live feeds and plane goes over telling guys jamie is two-faced and Eddie is the one who goes to her and says "Relax, don't get your panties in a bunch, things are just getting weird around here". Now crude as it may be I see this as a sensitive man who can see she is upset and is consoling her, and you know what she sees it too. Hug, Hug |
Creamynougat | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 02:19 pm  Now crude as it may be I see this as a sensitive man who can see she is upset and is consoling her Perhaps this is what makes Eddie's behavior so maddening to me: he obviously knows how to be sensitive and compassionate when he wants to. Eddie is not stupid and he knows what he's doing. If he were dumb as a post and unaware of the possible consequences of his actions, I could cut him more slack. |
Nance | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 02:24 pm  Eddie is feeling very bad about the lastest banner attacks on Jamie...he goes to her and tells her to relax, hugs her ...they hug and he tells her things are getting crazy! |
Franny1 | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 02:43 pm  the other two hgs didn't seem to be sensitive to her at all. Eddie likes Jamie, he gets frustrated because she won't voice her opinions or feelings, but I think he is trying to make her one of the guys. She's not stupid either and she knows who she can really trust, just like they all do and did, it's the guy who tells them like it is. |
Renee | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 03:08 pm  > It Wasn't Britt or Cass - it was Jamie Yes, and it wasn't > George and Karen You can't have it both ways. True Chris. I wasn't really trying to have it both ways though; I was trying to make two different points. As far as George and Karen, or whoever you might plug in, I just thought it might be interesting to see if anyone's feelings changed about the "incident" if they took those two personalities out of it. It seems that many posters are vehemently pro or anti certain HGs. It's one way to put it in a different perspective or even gain perspective. With it being Jamie, not Cass or Britt, I don't think it's fair to judge one person's reaction based on how someone Else would have taken it. Everyone's different and personality, background, etc. should be taken into account. They were just my thoughts on the matter, take 'em or leave 'em as you see fit. My thoughts are that I don't know any of these people personally and won't ever see them outside the t.v. show. It's interesting to observe them There but they don't have any impact on My life. I wish all of them and all of you the best. |
Motoole | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 03:13 pm  It makes no difference to me if he likes her or not, what he did was inappropriate. Jamie not confronting him does not excuse his abusive behavior. I still think he deserves to LOSE! Now more than ever. What's to be said for a man who wants to "closeline" a woman on national television without a hint of remorse for his inappropriate behavior. Let's vote this inappropriate woman batterer out! |
Annah | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 03:24 pm  Hasn't this thread been quite overcooked? Will someone put a fork in it and declare it done!? Let's put a lid on the hyperbole and hysterics and move on to other things...it's so over the top here, the leaps in logic are actually getting comical. Jamie is smarmy. Ed is crude. Curtis and Josh are weak followers. Not exactly the group you need to get worked up over! |
Jay0mck | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 03:32 pm  OMG!! Boy this sure has been taken way out of proportion. Do any of you people playfight with your b/f , g/f, spouse? This is absolutely not a "women batterer" thing. Maybe I blacked out during this segment & missed something. Please fill me in.... Did he hit her? Did he throw her to the ground? Did he actually clothesline her? or was it just Eddie goofin around? Good grief!!! LIGHTEN UP |
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