Archive through September 25, 2000
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Archive through September 25, 2000
Gottaluvit | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 10:25 am  jamie didnt go wrong, the producers did. |
Solos | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 10:27 am  My opinion of jamie sunk to an all time low when she left that letter in the RR, told Cass about the toilet and walked by...leaving it on Cass to clean it up and the crap with Curtis about Jamie's bathroom habits...please !!! |
Rbc | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 10:32 am  First of all, like most of us, I don't hate any of the hgs. However, I do agree that Jamie choosing a casting director over her mother shows a lack of family loyalty whether her mother says it's okay or not. I think it is quite unhealthy that some posters here are hateful. You can have your favorite hg without hating the others. |
Beetle | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 10:40 am  where do you go to read the poll numbers |
Really | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 10:45 am  Solos, do tell us more about the incident(s) please. I'm trying to recall that, but must have missed it - the letter, the toilet and all. I am very curious. |
Solos | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 11:13 am  Really , remember on the BB2000 site Paul Romer talked in length about this and Jamie lied about the contents of the letter in front of the other hgs when BB confronted the hgs(in a general way).Jamie tried to turn it into a harmless act saying she was concerned about the editing,when in fact it was a letter expressing her interest in employment with CBS.This happened right before Cass was banished. with the toilet incident, Jamie came out of the toilet area and said to Cass: " something needs to be done with the toilet,its bad and Jamie walked away.Cass went right in to clean it.I will try to find it in the live feeds ok ? the 3rd thing was when Curtis made mention to the guys that he didn't go pee, Jamie was in BR and said she'd be awhile, guys started laughing saying Jamie floating logs up stream and dogged Curtis about this NO one else...even had her mic off and stated she refused to make a story line out of this ....all the while trying to look away from the cameras.It got a bit heated with Curtis not being able to get a word in edge wise.I will find this on the live feeds also. Anyone else who can add to this infomation,Please? That is what really turned me off from being a Jamie supporter. |
Lucinda | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 11:39 am  Not to harp on the Anthony Sepulveda incident, but it does demonstrate well my cringe-worthy point. Even people who really like Jamie will concede that she is EXTREMELY image conscious. My problem is the she is so clumsy at it--she's utterly ham-handed when it comes to making a good impression. If Jamie WERE at all clever or had ANY idea of how human beings perceive the behavior of others, she would have realized that, even if she WANTED to see the casting agent, her best bet was to say "No, I'll see my Mommy!" just for the positive impression it would make on others. She could have been JUST as phony but been much more successful at it! Her utter lack of subtlety is one of those things that makes her so irksome. |
Really | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 11:42 am  Oooooohhh! Right, right, right! The letter and of course the poop incident! heeheehee! I have a vague memory reading about Jamie's comment and Cass cleaning the toilet. That really bugs me - if someone is capable of noticing something is needed to be done and can comment to their housemate about it...well, she should have cleaned it herself!!! Solos, Thanks for the little recap! |
Faerygdds | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 12:29 pm  OK... first of all.. I have NOT voted and will not be voting in this round. Having said that... My Mother and I both watch the show and live feeds... and they have sparked more than a few conversations. Her is OUR take of Jamie... (note: I think she voted Eddie this round - she hates his mouth lol) Jamie is very duplicitous in our eyes. It has NOTHING to do with the casting director thing. My Mother told me if I gave up even a handshake and the chance to make a CONTACT that she would kill me. She knows I love her and nothing could come between us. (believe me... if the fact that she is Catholic and I am Pagan doesn't prove that point, nothing else will lol) Her duplicity comes from the afore mentioned letter and the Karen nomination. While we both voted Karen out, we felt that on that first night when Karen reacted badly Jamie simply should have said, "Karen, I'm sorry I can't tell you how I voted, but I know that some people in the garden thought you wanted to go home." That would have helped her "friend" more. Even if she had not wanted to reveal nominations, she should have AT LEAST said, "Karen, we agreed not to discuss is, but I REALLY don't think Curtis voted for you." The point is she could have done something to ease Karen's misery. The letter to the Producers was the other thing. It's one thing to write a letter to the producers, but to write the letter that she wrote and then telling Cass that it was a complaint (an outright lie) and then urging her to write one! UGH! That's the one that really hits the nerves with us! Every time I bring it up my Mother starts literally grunting, "I can't stand her!" it's too funny. Either way... neither of us "hates" her, but we'd rather not hand her money for lying either. Honesty is a big deal in our family. It's our core. No matter what the problem is we know we can always fix it together, but to do that you have to be honest! So that's what it boils down to with us. |
Bummer | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 02:23 pm  Watching a little of the Bigbrother show this afternoon while Eddie is drying dishes, as Josh washes. Eddie is in one of his happy go lucky mood's and is throwing barbs at Jamie causing Jamie's face to contort Through it all, Jamie, without blinking an eye continues to pace back and forth while looking directly into the camera. Of course she did look totally pissed at Eddie especially when he said something to the effect of always "licking my teeth" a reference to Jamie putting Vaseline on her teeth. (Ala Monica Lewinsky kneeling in front of Clinton) if you get my drift. I believe that Jamie is so self centered and so much in love with herself that most of the time she doesn't really know when she is being insulted. One more thing am I the only one who thinks that she chews food like a cow..CHOMP...CHOMP.. CHOMP. |
Remus | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 02:32 pm  Remember - Jamie's mother flew down from Washington State. It is not like she hopped in her car and drove a few miles. Jamie basically sent her mom on a futile round-trip flight from Seattle and instead opted for two minutes with a casting director that most likely thinks she is pathetic Thanks to those who added their favorite "Infamous Jamie Moments" |
Latearriver | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 04:29 pm  If I may add my few thoughts-- Noone in the house has been so totally aware of the cameras as Jamie. During the live shows, she is always worrying about which camera she should be looking in. When they were in the RR singing their song, she kept looking to make sure her hair wasn't too messed up by the headphones. On the live shows, she, usually so soft-spoken is probably the loudest when it comes to greeting Julie. When the banners go by, if it is a bad one for someone else, she makes sure it is read clearly and heard by the person it is directed at. Then she comes up with some 'consoling thought' to make the person "feel better". To me, it is little things like these that show her overall insincerity. If she had played the game like Eddie, minus the language, she would have won in a cakewalk. |
Markisimo | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 04:44 pm  As soon as she started with the dice that did it for me. Why are you there if you don't want to play the game? As somebody put it above, it's another one of her oh-so-calculated moves to protect her image that completely backfires on her. |
Rwsbetter | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 05:07 pm  My biggest problem with Jamie is the whole "I don't want this to be a storyline" thing. She held back from telling Curtis about her true feelings because there are cameras on her, how many other things has she held back on? Pointing to words in books, using playing cards to keep information from the viewers, etc. If you don't want to be watched, leave the house and don't come back. This is the premise of the show! Also, and I haven't really heard anybody discussing this incident for a while, the time when she tried to convince Curtis that Eddie was breaking the "no nomination talk rule." This was just after Karen's banishment when Eddie gave his speech about, "if we're gonna have this rule, don't keep talking about it." Jamie tried to convince Curtis that Eddie was talking about nominations since he told Brit about his 1-10 nomination strategy. The thing is, Eddie told this to Brit before the "no talk" rule was in place. Jamie was clearly trying to smear Eddie. Fortunately, Curt realized that if it was a 1-10 list, it couldn't be recent. Anyway that kind of stuck in my craw. All of this is, of course, MHO. |
Franny1 | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 05:22 pm  The licking the teeth thing had nothing to do with Jamie, it had to do with the banner he got from someone who said they wanted to lick his teeth. Everyone needs to be careful not to post stuff unless they know it's true. |
Kcanuck | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 05:23 pm  Jamie won't speak directly about what she thinks and feels. She has spent a lot of time going from housemate to housemate (in earlier days) planting little "negatives" for housemates to think about. She is a "hanger-on-er" in conversations - there but not quite there. Rather than risk being thought of in a poor light, she walks softly and says as little as possible that would be controversial. Instead of making herself safe, she has developed an audience who sees her as shallow and insincere. It would have been great if she would have gone after Eddie about his anit-women remarks, constant negative references to the female gender and his filthy mouth. She obviously is uncomfortable with his sexual remarks but won't stand up and say so. I like Eddie but he is bored to tears and trying to start trouble. Jamie would have gained a lot of respect if she would have stood up for herself. That's my take. |
Bali | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 05:26 pm  Rwsbetter, Just because Jamie's on camera, she's obligated to bare every single bloody aspect of her soul to us? If I were her and not sure about how honestly or accurately OR fairly I would be portrayed, I'd also be cautious...to a degree. Slamming her and villifying her because of this is so mean and unfair. As for that other incident, your statement, "Jamie was clearly trying to smear Eddie" is so one-sided...I mean how is it "clear" that she's trying to "smear" Eddie? That is YOUR interpretation. I didn't see it that way. Maybe she didn't know that Eddie told Brit BEFORE the "no-talk" rule. But I realize if people want to hate Jamie, they'll pick apart every little thing she does and magnify it a thousand times, stretching and distorting everything to all ridiculous proportions. |
Rmgreco | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 05:40 pm  I agree with so many of the posts. I don't hate Jamie but I don't want her to win. Of course the incident with her mther was the worst for me. I liked Jamie up until that moment. My family is everything to me. I am a musician and I would LOVE to talk to a big time Producer BUT I would choose my Dad everytime over one. What if her mom walked out of the redroom and got hit by a bus. How horrible Jamie would have felt then. But the girl is young and hopefully she will learn from this. The letter incident bothered me too. Also all her primping and lack of being open with her HGs, in fear of creating the "dreaded storyline". All this bothers me. |
Maggie2014 | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 05:40 pm  Could someone please explain the whole Jaimie, Cass and toilet scene? Thanks |
Chuck3049 | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 05:48 pm  As Jamie was my favorite house guest from the beginning, I'd like to say where the turning point came for me. I do not fault her for never letting the world see her without makeup. All public figures (celebrities, politicians, etc.) are basically illusionists. They put forward an image to the public and never let us see behind it. Politicians don't let you know what they really think, directors don't tell you how they draw you into a story, and other celebrities maintain an illusion of appearance as well as character. Jamie knew about maintaining the illusion of appearance, but the fact that maintaining the illusion of character would be impossible in this environment never occurred to her. It wasn't her choice of the casting director over her mother. It was a bad decision (she has no idea of how sick she is going to be of talking to casting agents and directors within a year) on several levels: she can't accomplish anything meaningful in two minutes, it was a bad public relations move (never step on any of the American sacred cows: baseball, church, apple pie, mother hood) and it was hurtful to her Mom. But she may very well have done what she THOUGHT her mother would want her to do. In any case she had only 10-20 seconds to decide, and our hindsight is of course 20/20. I thought she made an understandable mistake. It suggested a weakness of character, such as we all have, that this was her first instinct, but was hardly damning. It wasn't even her letting Curtis hang out to dry when Karen was accusing him of nominating her. They did agree not to tell, although she certainly could have said something to Karen to get her to back off of Curtis. What did it for me was the business with lobbying Curtis and George (and I think Josh) to get them to nominate Karen on the basis of "Blatant Ugliness" and then telling the RR that she was voting her out "because she needed to see her kids." The house WAS bringing out bad qualities in Karen and maybe she DID think it was best for Karen to be out of there, but her decision to try to be duplicitous to the PUBLIC, the very people whose favor she sought to court, was outrageous and insulting. It showed contempt for the public and the other HG's. After that, the benefit of the doubt was gone. All of her actions were transparent, the motives behind them clearly visible. I knew she wanted to go to the Emmy's(duh), but lambasting Curtis, her best friend in the house, for not giving her the ticket? That showed she is selfish and self-absorbed to the point of self-destruction. And ok, having anyone discuss your toilet functions, especially having a group of the opposite sex making jokes is humiliating and curtis was undersensitive to her embarrasment. But she really did over react, and if she was going to blow up, she shoud have blown up ALL of them. If she wanted to discuss it quietly, Curtis would be the natural choice. But no, she blew uo at Curtis. Not an overt sign of meanness or calousness, but one more nail in the coffin of self-absorbtion. |
Lurker99 | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 06:12 pm  What did it for me with Jamie was (1)like Chuck said - she bad mouthed Karen to several other houseguests hoping for them to all nominate Karen and then giving her excuse of Karen wanting to go home. (2)Her objection of making everything a storyline - especially her attempt to avoid the cameras and mics when she confronted Curtis (3)the way she hounded Josh when she knew he had information from Brit. Master manipulator!! |
Tashina | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 06:26 pm  One thing that noone has mentioned that always kinda bugs me with Jamie is that I haven't seen anything she believes in [other than smarmy dime store poetry and affirmations]. What I mean is that she went up for Miss USA right? So she must have had a "platform" to talk about..something she believes in...ending world hunger, literacy, breast cancer, whatever. And I'm sure she does [and I'm sure someone here knows what it is, so enlighten me] - but for all her goody-goodiness I've never heard [in my admittedly hundreds of hours of live feed listening] her say a word for any cause- except endlessly promoting herself and the web sites for banners that said good things about her. Eddie has made daily comments for the internet viewers to promote the handicapped basketball association, George gave up his 30 second plea against banishment to speak out for volunteering in schools, Josh talks about how much he wants to help his niece through college. [haven't heard much from Curtis] Who does Jamie want to promote besides herself and why don't we hear anything about it? |
Chuck3049 | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 06:29 pm  Jamie's platform was infanticide of baby girls in third world countries. She did mention once that she intends to adop such a child in the future. |
Irish | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 06:29 pm  She lambasted Curtis for not giving her the Emmy's ticket? I don't recall anything like that. |
Chuck3049 | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 06:31 pm  Jamie's platform was infanticide of baby girls in third world countries, especially China. She did mention once that she intends to adopt such a child in the future. |
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