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Ocean_Islands

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 06:54 pm Click here to edit this post

I believe there is. If so, is it right? Should Eddie win the game because he only has one leg?

I'm sorry, but this is an honest question that must be asked, and I'd like an answer from someone.

Ricmunoz

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:01 pm Click here to edit this post

I think if we were to pose this question directly to Eddie, I'm guessing he would implore us NOT to vote for him with his physical challenge as the ultimate motivating factor. If I were Eddie I'd tell people, "Don't vote for me if you're doing it because you feel sorry for me; vote for me because you've found me to be a good enough (and deserving enough) guy to take home the grand prize--try to ignore the fact I have one leg."

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:04 pm Click here to edit this post

I think that's a very good guess.

However, I'm having a hard time finding enough redeeming qualities in Eddie for him to be taking first place without the sympathy factor in evidence.

Bigbromo

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:05 pm Click here to edit this post

Nah, I didn't vote for Eddie 'cause I feel sorry for him (that kind of pity vote could only go to the social misfit Curtis, as far as I'm concerned). Eddie proved to be the most well-rounded guy....not perfect...but not boring...and not pandering to what he thinks everyone wants to see. He's cool. That's the bottom line. (Well, Josh is too...but Eddie just is my favorite.)

Bbrubberneck

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:11 pm Click here to edit this post

Every casual BB TV watcher I've talk to are picking Eddie to win. When I asked them why they say most the admire the way his disability doesn't slow him down.

BTW none are voting just picking~ guess just us hardcore fans actually vote for our favs.

Bigbromo *the social misfit Curtis* Huh??

Annah

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:12 pm Click here to edit this post

Sympathy...if that was the criteria, any number of hg's could have gotten votes to win...I have no sympathy for Eddie, he's tough and will make it in the world with or without BB...I feel some sympathy toward Josh...he seems sad/depressed much of the time...I think his life is sad.

Rmgreco

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:14 pm Click here to edit this post

I forget all the time that Eddie only has one leg!! I would never vote for someone in pity!!!!!!!!

I like Eddie for his moxie and because he is strong and good hearted and true to himself!

Rmgreco

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:15 pm Click here to edit this post

I felt sorry for Jamie the most

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:20 pm Click here to edit this post

I don't think any of *us* would. But the public at large, who have only seen the television show and don't really know the hgs would vote that way.

Kearie

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:27 pm Click here to edit this post

People who have watched tv and think to vote for Eddie because of his one leg are pretty sad. For anyone to perceive that Eddie is only winning because of his disability is sad.

Face it. Eddie will win because most people like his down to earth attitude, his honesty. (NO! I am not saying this because he farts, burps and has bad manners)

Eddie is a cool kid and has been honest on the show. He has provided more entertainment and is one of the few people who was totally sucked into the 'group think'. That alone gets him my vote.

Room_101

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:32 pm Click here to edit this post

But people are voting because Eddie NEEDS it... doesn't that equate to sympathy?

Deeya

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:37 pm Click here to edit this post

Of course the flip side to this question is ... are you voting against Eddie because you think he is loud/obnoxious/cusses too much? Don't get me wrong.. I know this disturbs a lot of people and everyone has the right to use whatever criteria they want in judging the houseguests.

But I see so much more to Eddie than the boisterous personality that some love and some hate. I see a deep/tender/loving man who I could personally learn a lot from (I need to learn to be more direct when dealing with people).

Anyway... I would be interested in knowing if people aren't looking beyond the cussing/loudmouth side of him too...

Moon

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:39 pm Click here to edit this post

I have a different view about Eddie. I feel he played his family poverty card all the way in an effort to win. But my vote went to Josh for other reasons. I couldn't vote for Eddie because I found him boorish.

Voyeur

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:40 pm Click here to edit this post

If the "need" factor wins out, then anybody who got their act together and worked hard to get to the point that they don't "need" the money will never get rewarded for being wise and working hard.

And that sucks.

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:42 pm Click here to edit this post

I have to admit I'm afraid we are creating a MONSTER!

What's worse than an obnoxious person who has no consideration for others?

An obnoxious person who has no consideration for others who also has half a million dollars!

Ladykat

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:46 pm Click here to edit this post

Yes I do think there is a sympathy factor due to his one leg. But I bet you no one will admit it. I also believe in my opinion ... this is one of the reasons Eddie has gotten a pass on alot of his behavior.

If Eddie was wearing Mega's face, and acting in the same manner, would he had made it this far ?? I myself don't think so. Can you picture Mega doing that clothesline move on Jamie, and people defending his actions like they did Eddie's ?? Not hardly !!

I like Eddie, but his behavoir, and language at times is just to much !( just like Mega's was at times ) And for this reason I for one, will not be voting for him to get the big prize.

I'm hoping Eddie comes in third, but he will probably come in first. I'll never forgot what Eddie said when that suitcase of money was sitting in front of them, and he held up a wad of money, and said I spend this much going out with my friends drinking.

Probably just shooting his mouth off. But hey nobody should have that much money to blow, when you have major medical bills. I hope Eddie comes in a nice third place.

JMO !!

Kearie

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:47 pm Click here to edit this post

I think the HG's themselves brought need into a factor of it. BB asked why do you want to win? What would you do with the money?
Then George and Josh and Eddie amoung others started nominating based on who needed it or who would be best to go to the outside.

Posters didn't start the NEED thing and I doubt many are voting on need or sympathy alone. We see a good man in Eddie. An accomplished man. A loving, kind hearted man.

I think we could all agree that Curtis fans see these traits in him and Josh fans too.

I like the question that DEE posed, are you hoping he doesn't win because he farts, belches and cusses?

Curtandeddie

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 07:54 pm Click here to edit this post

No offense, but this topic has been discussed over and over. And I fully expect to see a thread tomorrow night posted with the title "Did Eddie Win Because He Only Has One Leg?". Like I said, no offense but I am sick of this question. I will now move on to another thread and stay out of this one for sure. :)

Mbliving

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 08:24 pm Click here to edit this post

Sympathy, never and thats what is so amazing. When I saw him I thought great a disabled person, he's probably a shoe in. It was kind of a minus in my book because I was afraid of the sympathy vote. But how do you feel sorry for Eddie? I never look at him anymore and notice that he is disabled. He is more abled-bodied than most people.

I do want to shove a bar of soap in his mouth sometimes because he can get carried away but his soft moments completely override the swearing.

With Eddie its the swearing, Curtis its the little insults disguised as wit, Josh is too quite and never offers his opinion on anything. So they all have things that bug me at times.

But it was Eddie who said to Karen that he would walk in front of a car for her (maybe not the exact words) and Eddie who yelled for Brit with such pain in his voice when she was vanished that won a soft spot in my heart for him.

I like them all and I'll be happy no matter who wins but as annoying as Eddie can get, there's something very special about him. The fact that he has only one leg really doesn't factor in at all.

Egbok77

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 09:59 pm Click here to edit this post

You know, it'll probably be a "sympathy" vote. I did a quick poll at work today and everyone thought Eddie would win 'cause he needs the money for medical bills. I was really very surprised to hear this and I suddenly realized that Curtis probably would take second instead of first.

I am happy with the three "winners" and in the end, the money probably will help Eddie and I feel Curtis will be satisfied with whatever he gets (along with his Sony Trinitron 32" Flat Screen TV and trip to the Emmys!!

Zappre

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:17 pm Click here to edit this post

I think that sometimes people miss the fact that sympathy on its face isn't admirable, but nobility borne of sympathy is admirable to alot of people. I've made the statement, too many times for some, that I as a childhood amputee, understand some of this dynamic. There is no doubt in my mind that Eddie is admired. He's admired because at first blush, we sympathize. That's not enough for admiration, though. At second blush, we see nobility in the overcoming of adversity - in the "i don't need your sympathy" attitude. But that in itself is borne of sympathy. We all go through hell in our lives...Eddie's is just a very up front hell since he's missing part of his body. As such, we admire him more than others whose hell we are not privy to.

I continue to believe that, as many above have said, a person with two legs acting as Eddie has acted would have been long gone. Not because he'd be different, as much as we'd react differently to him, and not cut him the slack we do. Nobility, even if just perceived, is just too entrancing. Goodness, the best times of my life were my hospital stays when everyone kept thinking "isn't he a trooper". That doesn't mean i or Eddie didn't suffer, but boy did those watching us admire us. Everyone should be admired. Not just those whose maladies are overtly evident. And as such, everyone should be held to the same standard, and not cut slack for due to "extraordinary" circumstances. We owe Eddie enough respect to judge him on his deeds...all his deeds.

Given the above, while i'm not a big fan of Eddie's behavior and don't think he should be rewarded for it, I completely understand those who want him to win and respect their choice.

Columbus

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:22 pm Click here to edit this post

Eddie has been playing on everyone's heart strings
since day one with his "needing money" to: pay
the second mortgage on his home, pay his way over-
due medical bills, put his brother through college, and buy his parents a new home. But yet
he brags about going to Germany to see Monica all
the time and going to an expensive college. If he
had gone to a state college in NY he could have
gotten state grants, I don't believe any medical
group or hospital would let those bills drag on
for 10 years ( you try it and see what happens),
and his brother can get a job and help pay to put
himself through college (I did).
So, the answer is yes, there is a sympathy factor
operating here. Josh has all of his loans to pay
off and I'm sure that Curtis does also. I would
really like to see Josh win, but I don't see that
happening because he never expressed a great enough "need".

Sabotwa

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:23 pm Click here to edit this post

I know...

Let's have all three boys line up and drop their pants. Then we can decide this thing on a true 'sympathy' vote. :)

Zappre

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:26 pm Click here to edit this post

Sabotwa: Thank goodness for the guys that Jamie was banished cause using your method, she'd win. :)

Bigbrofan

Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 10:32 pm Click here to edit this post

I actually feel very sympathetic right now. I'm VERY sympathetic for all of us addicts because the shows almost over. I actually haven't voted yet. I don't know when the phones close but I just can't decide between the three. I'll probably end up voting a few times tonight for two out of the three but I haven't decided the two yet. I know one will be Josh, can't decide between Curtis and Eddie.