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Creamynougat | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 03:47 pm  Did he hit her? Did he throw her to the ground? Did he actually clothesline her? or was it just Eddie goofin around? Good grief!!! If he put a loaded gun to her head but did not pull the trigger, would that be okay? |
Chris | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 03:48 pm  Annah: This horse has been dead for a long time. Let's see how long they continue to beat it. |
Gail | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 03:51 pm  The only way to kill this horse is not to post in it. Get it? As long as nobody posts here, it will sink to the bottom and get archived. Just don't post. |
Franny1 | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 03:53 pm  they are beating this dead horse because they want to sway your vote against eddie. In my opinion you are just making him look better, and better all the time. I can't believe how serious you are about horseplay. |
Katie | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 04:19 pm  The problem with horseplay is that some people grow up that way with it being normal behavior in their families. They are comfortable with it. That is normal in their family. Some people grow up in families that don't do that and they aren't comfortable with it. That is normal for them. If you are comfortable with it, that it fine. Go right ahead with your family and friends who are comfortable with it, but I do find exception with people who say that if you don't like it or feel comfortable with it, then it means something is wrong with you. |
Creamynougat | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 04:19 pm  they are beating this dead horse because they want to sway your vote against eddie Who are "they?" People can vote against whomever they wish. There are over 250 posts to this thread because Eddie's behavior was disturbing to a lot of people. I happen to favor Curtis but if he did something as stupid as Eddie did, I wouldn't feel the need to defend him against his own stupidity. And as everyone knows, there are no dead horses in this game. We still hear about stuff that happened during the first week! Eddie's behavior here is quite important because it directly impacts how he is currently perceived. And unfortunately or not, his clothesline stunt is one of those defining moments that could sway a lot of people -- without assistance from anyone on this board. |
Chris | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 04:20 pm  Gail: HAHA! YOU POSTED! |
Chris | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 04:22 pm  When I have a point to make, I usually make it ONCE, not over and over and over and over and over and over and over.... |
Jujubean | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 05:34 pm  Katie, It interesting to see how you always chose something else to post and complain about on this tired issue. All of us keep telling you OVER and OVER about certain things which, either you ignore or you just don't get. Eddie exhibits this behavior with others in the house as well. Not just the women, as I had posted before. It is obvious from your past relationship experience and your family experience that you have a different view. FINE. That's okay. You are okay. Get on with it. But don't transfer your feelings into hate and disdain for Eddie and an innocent incident, which is what you have been doing in your posts. That is what is ridiculous. If you just don't like the guy, say so. But don't go calling him a borderline abuser or someone with abuser potential. Jamie is fine with it! LET'S MOVE ON FOLKS.... |
Tashina | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 06:05 pm  AAArrrrggghh!!! Eddie is good at this game and all the people calling him an abuser are missing the point IMO. Eddie is sweet and supportive to her IN PRIVATE. This is because he'd like to have her not nominate him and maybe because he's a bit uncomfortable with how he is picking on her in front of the others FOR THE SAKE OF THE GAME. Haven't you heard all his comments about Estogen lately and trying to get the other guys to not tell her what a log-fish is and other guy jokes. C'mon, this is Eddie's best chance to get her nominated. He wants the guys to be all tight and her to be left out. This is why he kept suggesting Ultimate Croquet though he knows she hates it. The clothesline thing is just another way of showing the guys that Jamie isn't one of them. [This may not work in the end, but I think it's what Eddie is aiming for]. He has been saying for days that the trick is to not get nominated and he is going all out to try stategies that will work...and he has few choices in this tight knit group to set them against one another without being obvious. |
Creamynougat | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 06:50 pm  he is picking on her in front of the others FOR THE SAKE OF THE GAME Ya think? Maybe you're right, but I'm more inclined to think that much of Eddie's behavior is manifested DESPITE the sake of the game. He's in the game to win, no doubt. But of all the HGs, Eddie has taken pride in being true to himself. For the most part, he seems to leave his strategizing to the nominations. |
Koka | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 07:30 pm  "he is picking on her in front of the others FOR THE SAKE OF THE GAME" In other words, Eddie is not an abusive misogynist--he just plays one of tv? |
Tashina | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 07:44 pm  Koka.. Yep. Mostly anyway. Obviously the things he does can't stray too far from his natural personality or they would look too fake. I've wondered all along if Eddie was the type to beat his girlfriend in private. However, that's not what I'm saying here. I'm saying that he has his eyes focused on the prize. He is motivated...wants the 1st prize and has made it clear that he cares far more for "his" people in the outside world than he does for those inside. If he thinks inflating his "abusive misogynist" side is necessary for him to win, I think he'd do it. |
Koka | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 09:11 pm  Tashina--it's interesting that Eddie is the only one left who really seems to care about the money. Jamie wants fame, Eddie wants a good time, and Josh wants the experience of being around people. On another note, Eddie didn't take the 50,000 when it was offered because he wanted at least 100,000, not because he wanted to continue the game (like the others). The wisest thing he can do is try and take Jamie into the final three with him. He would at least have his chance at the 100,000 he wants if he isn't up against the more likable Curtis and Josh. |
Jujubean | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 09:12 pm  >"There are over 250 posts to this thread because >Eddie's behavior was disturbing to a lot of >people." Creamynougat, If you were to read the 250 plus archived posts on this board you would find that most people believe the original post to be ridiculous and are mostly in favor of Eddie. While the few others are constantly bringing up the same illusory issues over and over again. And Tashina, sorry but, if you have wondered all along if Eddie beats his girlfriend in private, BUT that's not what you are saying here- Then why say it at all? |
Bigbrofan | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 09:57 pm  I haven't read all the posts around here and I'm not going to! I just wanted to say that I'm not really sure what to make of that. I didn't read the Live Feed Update about it nor did I see it live. I've always picked Eddie as one of my favorites. Maybe I'm biased but I felt there had to have been parts left out. I don't think it means that Eddie hits women. I think it's ridiculous to make that assumption. Wanting to hit, and hitting are two different things in my book. I don't like what he said at all. I don't think it was appropriate. But I'm not going to judge him about it because I didnt' see it live. It would be nice to get some unbiased feedback abotu what took place but I'm not sure if that can happen with such a sensitive issue. |
Renee | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:22 am  I have one question: When did that actually happen? I know when it was shown on t.v. but I looked in the transcripts of the live feeds and couldn't find it. I'm assuming (yeah I know what that makes us <G> ) someone wrote about it. Don't mean to "beat a dead horse" but I wanted to read about the sequence of events. |
Creamynougat | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:23 am  If you were to read the 250 plus archived posts on this board you would find that most people believe the original post to be ridiculous and are mostly in favor of Eddie. While the few others are constantly bringing up the same illusory issues over and over again. Jujubean, "being in favor of Eddie" does not always entail condoning his words and actions. I fail to see how you and the majority of others, as you claim, believe that the original post was ridiculous. While some have attempted to excuse Eddie's behavior, I don't recall anyone else stating that the original post was ridiculous. The original poster found Eddie's behavior disturbing and asked if anyone else was bothered by it. How is this ridiculous? It's a perfectly legitimate question. Eddie's threats, playful or otherwise, did bother me as it bothered others. But my disapproval is no more "illusory" than your attempt to dismiss the whole affair as "ridiculous." We'll just have to agree to disagree. Eddie's behavior didn't bother you and that's fine. It did bother me and that's fine, too. Life goes on. |
Koka | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:32 am  Sorry, in my earlier post I meant to say Eddie is the only one who wants the money--Jamie wants fame, Josh wants the experience with the people, and Curtis just wants the experience. |
Big_Al | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:38 am  END OF THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE. |
Sparky | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 01:02 am  This could be a new thread, but has ANYBODY changed anyone else's mind on this subject? I would guess not. |
Jujubean | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 03:41 am  Creamynougat- Let me clarify as to what is illusory and ridiculous. As I said before, I'm only interested in FACTS. Some people have taken things to the extreme with this topic. Such as: Calling Eddie a borderline abuser, as Katie did. Do we actually KNOW Eddie is a "borderline abuser" or an abuser at all? Is that a FACT? No it is not. It is an observation and also a serious accusation. Those are the "illusory" issues I am speaking of. Using analogies to describe equivalents of his clothesline comments to Jamie, (such as putting a loaded gun to Jamie's head and not pulling the trigger). This is stretching it a bit. I'm laughing that you actually took it THAT far. Sixtieslibber's original post had not only a question but a statement, and stated that Eddie's behavior was, "sickening and unacceptable". MOST people in this thread have responded that the tone of the post is somewhat ridiculous in the sense that they disagreed with it- in other words responded that there wasn't anything sickening or unacceptable about it. FACT- All we know is what Eddie said to Jamie. If that disturbed you fine. Enough with the outrageous analogies, accusations, name calling, numerous speculations, assumptions and un-truths. I wonder if the editors of this show ever read this board?! I bet they’re having fun with this one. |
Koka | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 06:30 am  I don't think Eddie is a "borderline abuser." But I do think he needs to be more sensitive to Jamie's feelings. She was adapting to him when she kept quiet and finally got up. Cass was adapting to him when she sat there quietly while he said racism doesn't exist--not to mention when she didn't slap him down when he was beating a pan right up next to her ears. Everyone has to adapt to his foul language. But when is he going to start adapting to the other people? I've taught school, and the behavior Eddie demonstrates is called "picking on" someone. They always choose the weakest person. Eddie has done this to all the women of the house. |
Whatever | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 06:42 am  Jujubean, It's questionable how you could demonstrate more ignorance about this topic. The fact is, based upon Eddie's observed behavior, it is possible, and, in fact, more reasonable than not, to make conclusions that, yes, it is highly unacceptable. |
Kathyb | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 07:15 am  Jujubean, since the editors decided to include this episode in the televised show, I have a feeling that they knew this incident would be provocative. The only other possibility is that they thought it was amusing and I kind of doubt that's the case. |
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