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The ClubHouse: Big Brother 2000: General - Archives: Questions, questions and more questions: Eddie's Desire to "Clothesline" Jamie--Unacceptable?: Archive through September 23, 2000

Creamynougat

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 07:22 am Click here to edit this post

Using analogies to describe equivalents of his clothesline comments to Jamie, (such as putting a loaded gun to Jamie's head and not pulling the trigger). This is stretching it a bit. I'm laughing that you actually took it THAT far.

Not to belabor the point, but Eddie threatened to clothesline Jamie, completely unprovoked, which he demonstrated with a straight arm before Jamie whilst describing the bruises on her neck that she would incur as a result. Bare hands can be as lethal as any weapon, especially if the attacker is physically overpowering as Eddie is.

Now, my comment about the loaded gun was simply in response to someone who made the point that Eddie did not follow through on his threat and therefore did nothing wrong. If it is unacceptable to threaten someone with a loaded gun, it should be equally unacceptable to threaten someone with other potentially lethal weapons (bare hands).

You laugh, but I just can't find the humor. Still, I wish the best to all the HGs -- including Eddie.

Koka

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 08:10 am Click here to edit this post

The details about the bruising was what put it over the top for me. Just the clothesline part would have been easier to take as playful. But when Eddie starts relishing the idea of putting bruises on her, it got a little to cruel for me.

Rmgreco

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 08:18 am Click here to edit this post

I'm so sick of this thread. Eddie wouldnt hurt a flea and everybody knows it. He made a stupid mistake trying to treat Jamie like one of the guys (Which she asked him to do).

Jamie apparently has no scars from this incident. The editing made her look mad, she wasnt.

Tukuul

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 08:22 am Click here to edit this post

How do you know? Were you there?

She looked fairly pissed to me. Once or twice would have been funny but not over and over again...running it into the ground. Sometimes Eddie does some lame stuff just like all of them, I guess. However, nobody else seems to get away with it unscathed.

Chris

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 08:26 am Click here to edit this post

Clearly this thread is more about the posters than about Eddie or Jamie. Someone should publish this in a psych textbook.

Eddieluver

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:11 am Click here to edit this post

IF it is possible to assume that Eddie is violent from this incident as you people try to prove over and over again. THEN, it is also possible that Jamie is OVERLY sensitive as well and worried ONLY about Jamie. Also, Jamie must also have a quality known as everyone should like me. I had that once and it drove me crazy, and then I met the man of my dreams and it faded away. Jamie wants EVERYONE to like her but when she does something underhanded or DECEITFUL she doesn't understand why anyone would get upset.

Sorry, I am an Eddie Luver and as such I have the right and responsbiliity to defend him as I see fit. I am NOT spinning anything as people seem to say. I didn't like what Eddie did but to spin it so out of control as you haters have is beyond illogical.

By the way I did have an abusive relationship just like Katie. I couldn't leave the guy because he had well some things over me. I finally got fed up with him because he said he was suicidal and told my parents everything. Now, I have a wonderful man and hey we play wrestle. I guess he's an abuser as well. NO, he is NOT! I don't go around seeing one damn incident in every man I'm near and accuse them of being abusive. That is called needing some therapy to get over the past. I'm over mine and I suggest the rest of you who've been in the same situation do the same. Afterall, you may never see the good in a REAL man if you don't. Eddie is bored. No, sometimes that doesn't excuse his behavior but put yourself in that house and see how stir crazy you feel. At least he is HONEST as we all know Jamie is NOT. :)

Maddie

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:25 am Click here to edit this post

A few years back, I took an English composition class in college. Because of military obligations, I was not able to complete the class but I do remember one thing the instructor taught us.

When you are trying to make an argument for something, you will convice more people if you support your side rather then smear the other.

Sorry, I am not going to understand how good and honest Eddie is if the argument is really about how evil and dishonest Jamie is.

Faerygdds

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:30 am Click here to edit this post

OK... I have avoided posting in here... I also got out of an abusive marriage. And like Eddieluver, I too think everyone is making WAY too big a deal about it.

I think he did it expecting and almost HOPING she would get up, knock his chair backwards and say something cute like, "Still feel like clotheslining me?"

But NO.. she got up sulking that "he doesn't LIKE me" sulk she does so well instead of realizing that he is doing that to get SOME kind of interaction going with her that isn't HIM watching HER put on lip gloss...

(ok.. sorry.. the lip gloss drives me NUTS!)

I'm imagining that most of the women/girls he has been around in his life have been able to NOT take that stuff seriously. My guess is like I said.. he expected HER to react and just do SOMETHING!

Eddie... abuser??? Sorry... I live 45 minutes from his school and while I don't know him, I do know some people he hangs with... Eddie has a great heart and a deep respect for women as friends and lovers (depending an which category you fall into). The thing about Eddie exterior... what he puts out... that's calls PROTECTION.

He wasn't trying to be mean guys... just incite a little fun (and poss hyped on a little too much testosterone and not expressing it correctly).

It's funny... my hubby saw it and say, "He's obviously playing, but man.. how long has it been since they [broke the seal]" Almost 3 months I told him... My husband yelled at the screen... "JUST DO IT! IT'S NATURAL!"

why is that so funny? He doesn't watch the show! It just happened to be on when he came in the door from work ROFL!

Personally.. I would have loved to see Jamie stick up for herself and fight back... but I think she was waiting for one of her "knights" to come and rescue her... thus the POUT!

Tishala

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:38 am Click here to edit this post

Wow. I'm impressed with the number of posts on the thread, even if I have "issues" with some of the content. Still, everyone has drawn a firm line in the sand on this issue...

Is this the longest thread in the history of BBFC? It seems like it to me!

Whatever

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:44 am Click here to edit this post

Faerygdds-


"he expected HER to react and just do SOMETHING!"

That is exactly the kind of behavior that is unacceptable. Physical aggression is not justifiable as a means to "get a reaction" from someone.

It's clear you haven't learned anything from your past history with abuse. You still continue to wrongfully equate dysfunctional behavior as "incite a little fun".

Petunia

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:45 am Click here to edit this post

>she got up sulking that "he doesn't LIKE me" sulk

So now it's her fault, because she didn't want to stoop to his level? Unbelievable.

Maddie

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:53 am Click here to edit this post

If Jamie had asked him to stop she would have been considered a partypooper.

If she had played along, it would have made her look like she was making a play for Eddie and then she would have been labeled a tease or a slut or worse.

By doing nothing and putting up with it, she is still in the wrong. I am curious - what could she have done that would have been okay?

Anything?? Please! Tell me what was she supposed to do to not get bashed yet again?

Whatever

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 09:54 am Click here to edit this post

Eddieluver-


If you met the "man of your dreams", why are you obsessed and preoccupied with Eddie?

You say Eddie is a "REAL man".

News flash- physical aggression with unconsenting females is dysfunctional behavior, not the sign of a "real man".

Your past history with abuse and subsequent therapy are not behind you, yet. You have a long way to go.

Creamynougat

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:03 am Click here to edit this post

IF it is possible to assume that Eddie is violent from this incident as you people try to prove over and over again. THEN, it is also possible that Jamie is OVERLY sensitive as well and worried ONLY about Jamie.

What strikes me is that Eddie demonstrates such a lack of awareness as to how the public (some of the public, anyhow) might perceive his behavior. In this respect, only Curtis and Cassandra have really shown much insight into the reality of public perceptions.

Of course Eddie didn't mean to harm anyone. But he does exercise poor judgement, IMO, knowing full well that he is constantly in the public eye.

You say Eddie is bored, well, perhaps he should not be in the house at all. He is on stage and in the spotlight before a national audience with a good chance to win up to 1/2 million dollars within just a few days. If a man is bored in this situation, I don't know where he'll ever find excitement. I guess it's more thrilling to toss basketballs through a hoop. <sigh>

Eddieluver

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:20 am Click here to edit this post

Whatever: You are such an UNWISE person and don't even try to sit there and claim you KNOW me. I have met the man of my dreams little one. I am definitely past what happened to me sweetheart. I don't like Eddie for any romantic reasons so please get that ridiculous thought out of your small mind right now. You don't even know me dear. *still laughing at your post*

I like Eddie for the aspect of the game and I want him to win. I like Eddie because he's funny at times. Yes, he's crude but he's ONLY 21 and at that age men act like fools. I like Eddie because I've seen in him many qualities that I admire. For instance, when he was talking about his uncle with AIDS. That was touching me to me and he only shows those qualities to the people he cares about meaning Josh. He felt comfortable enough to say that. I like Eddie because he LOVES his family. I don't want to be involved with Eddie. Geeeeeesh. You are reading wayyyyyyy to much into a handle dear.

Also, don't you ever I mean ever tell me something so rude as I am NOT past what happened to me. I took a long hard look at myself after that happened and I changed. I am a different person and for you to even suggest that I haven't gotten through what happened to me makes me want to scream. YOU are a jerk and I wish the moderators would pull you off of her for saying something that insensitive to someone that has been through what I have. I truly dislike you and your conscending behavior on these boards. You want an enemy well now you have one. Also, don't use your psycho babble on me. YOU need to follow your OWN advice dear. You know I have had people say nasty things to me before on these boards but yours is the most disgusting display of behavior I have ever seen.

Eddie is REAL. You don't see it because you don't want to see it. Eddie does stupid things but people are known to able to walk away when things like what happened occur. I would have walked away or said something and then walked away. Eddie likes you if you can put him in his place. He admires that and this house only had one person that was able to do that and it was Britt. That's the reason he wants her back because she was the person who was honest and upfront with him. I didn't used to stick up for myself but I do now. I used to be A LOT like Jamie so maybe that's why I'm so upset with her behavior. I don't want to see her find out the hard way that it's okay to be yourself.

Mbliving

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:34 am Click here to edit this post

Let's banish Whatever. He/she has some major issues that need to be addressed.

Whatever

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:35 am Click here to edit this post

Eddieluver-


"Eddie does stupid things but people are known to able to walk away when things like what happened occur."

So, the fact that someone can avoid someone else's bad behavior justifies that bad behavior?

Not so.

I believe Creamynougat already made the point earlier in this discussion.

Apparently, you either weren't paying attention, or choose to remain uninformed. Or, I guess, "You don't see it because you don't want to see it"

Your making excuses for another's dysfunctional behavior is a sign of your own problems.

As I did say before, your past history with abuse and subsequent therapy are not behind you, yet. You have a long way to go.

I will add, however, that I am sorry you had your past difficulties, and that I encourage you to continue making further progress.

Creamynougat

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:37 am Click here to edit this post

Yes, he's crude but he's ONLY 21 and at that age men act like fools.

Hmmm. I'm not sure that chronological age has that much to do with it. Perhaps you hung out with the wrong crowd. When I turned 21, I was just finishing four years in the army, back in the U.S. having served in Viet Nam. I really could not afford to act like a fool at the time and perhaps you could say that I was foolish to have enlisted in the first place (this thought did cross my mind a few times), but I must say that I don't appreciate your remark.

Eddieluver

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:39 am Click here to edit this post

Whatever: YOU are so out of line. This is a game and I'm treating it as such not as a life altering experience. This is a show and once it is over my life will still be the same. You are a jerk and don't even try to bring someone else into your stupid remarks about me.

Eddieluver

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:43 am Click here to edit this post

Creamy: Oh I'm sorry I stepped on your turf. I was making a remark about men in general not all men. How this so you feel better about yourself. Eddie is immature and foolish. I didn't mean to include the whole population since that's what you read into that statement. I'm sorry I hang out with VERY intelligent individuals and actually in real life I have never hung around with anyone like Eddie. That doesn't mean I can't like him. You Eddie Haters are taking this so seriously. Geeeeeeesh.

Jade888

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:48 am Click here to edit this post

It has nothing to do with liking Eddie as a person. It has to do with Eddie's assertive and threatening behavior against Jamie. Just the action or the appearance of the threatening behavior against Jamie is cause for Big Brother to discuss this matter with him.

His actions against Jamie even though he did not strike her could lead to his arrest for terroristic threatening of a house hold member. This is a law, plain andd simple and to have Big Brother show this potential act of violence is eye opening. I almost called the Police and had him arrested myself.

Even in fun...threatening any household member with an act of violence is enough for an arrest.
Jamie felt very threatened and you could see in her eyes that she was scared to death. I am glad she stood from the table, but I can promise you when he gets out of that house...he will be the target of domestic violence groups across the country.

Russ702

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:49 am Click here to edit this post

As far as Eddie just being 21, so it's excusable, I knew which side of right and wrong aggression toward females belonged on about 10 years before I was 21.

Eddie is fully aware of what he does. He just doesn't care what anybody else thinks. That's admirable, in some cases, but just plain dumb when trying to win a popularity contest, which is what this really is.

Every time someone is banished, somebody has clearly stood out as the next to go. A good lesson will be learned by way of a fourth place finish for Eddie. Nice guys may very well finish last, but a**holes don't deserve to win.

Eddieluver

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:02 am Click here to edit this post

Russ: But people that claim they throw dice every time to decide who to vote for do? You may not like him but he's right about voting being a priviledge and Jamie is not using it. She is NOT being honest and using a pair of dice as an excuse to hide her true feelings is as bad as Geo nominating Curtis for double dipping. Also, it's VERY convenient that every time she uses the dice Eddie's number shows up? *laughs* Yes, Jamie we believe every time you roll them Eddie's number actomatically the one that just happens to show up EVERY time?

Mlady

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:09 am Click here to edit this post

This thread is getting very old! It is ludicrous to take Eddie's joke to "clothesline" Jamie seriously.
Eddie deserves to win as much as the rest of them and more so than Jamie. Eddie doesn't pull any punches with any one, and it's rather funny that so many people find it offensive. His language needs cleaned up, but being honest and true to his beliefs is more important than what words spew from his mouth.

Dulci

Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 11:11 am Click here to edit this post

This thread is like a car wreck...I can't keep from looking at it.