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Cackyh | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 10:20 pm  various subjects discussed while awaiting george's return...cookies, tribal council, beer, john's articulation. jamie seems a little nervous, gathering her thoughts. josh is chewing, and george is hiking up his pants. george approaches, asks if this will be good, (jamie says yeah) turns around and says he'll be right back. josh says he'll forever fear the words "josh we need to talk" jam: why? because of brit? josh: yeah, that's where it started...i need to learn the words "no comment" real fast. now josh wondering how to handle reporters...can he ask to see the story before printing? cass says no way. josh feels he needs to be prepared for how to handle this type of thing. okay...all are back and seated; cass still talking and jamie staring. |
Kitt | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 10:26 pm  Jamie wants the hgs and BB to meet in the middle Jamie relays message from John: John is very intrigued by their decision he encourages us to rethink he says we are not perceived by the audience as people vying for money he says they have very little information on which to make such a huge assumption says they have a commitment to the audience to do what they promised, as millions love to watch them he is intrigued why they would make such a major decision to quit so quickly he said competition is not a bad thing, and they are creating the disruptions internally George asks John why he pitted Josh against George |
Cackyh | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 10:30 pm  john says: as a person from outside world, encourages hg to think about things from the outside perspective. think about the number of people watching on t.v., you're thinking the viewers perceive you as pitted against each other for money, when that may not be true. you have very little to go on, basically just george and josh's...need to conside that you made a commitment to ALL the people who love to watch you, to hang in there and see it through. you're doing this based on how you THINK you're perceived. from a small amount of info you've gotten, you've formed this decision, but you guys have to understand that you may feel that you're doing something, but you need to think closely about what you're doing, like you may be quitting for X millions of people who love to watch you. he is intrigued that they consider competition a bad thing. george pipes in, says john i know you're listening, so let's talk...why did you pit josh against me? jamie continues with same... josh says it's outside factors anyway, doesn't matter jamie continues: john just says from an outsider's perspective, remember you may be viewed as quitters, competition is not a bad thing, we are creating this feeling internally. josh: but it's not for us to decide which hg are right, or likable jam: yeah but the public decides josh: but the public doesn't live here jam compares the whole thing to a beauty pageant, and says she sees josh: competition is if we have no control, if we're voted out. that's not the way it is though, we have to nominate each other ed/josh comes up with the idea to all nominate each other every time, then the public does decide every time. ed talks about why this would work, because we stand together jam: john says it intriguing why they've created the hg vs. bb mentality, because he doesn't get it, they are fair...they have to trust bb...like we tried to give a gift of emmy's, and you guys doubt us. george asks what about the massage by mega. jamie says it was just a fun thing. jamie completely runs out of gas, and ed fills in by saying they all need to think this through, everything from day 1, and think why they should walk or why stay. all consider reasons tonight. |
Icarus | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 10:30 pm  The HGs are moving around the house now, but Jamie has asked they come back to the LR for a meeting. Her meeting with "John" in the RR gleaned this: As someone from the outside he tells them that their internal perceptions are quite different than what is really going on. That they also have made a commitment to all the people who watch the program and are quitting on them. Also that competition is not necessarily a bad thing. OMG they are going to rehash the whole thing again. |
Phantommenace | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 10:34 pm  The house guests are seriously thinking about walking out of the house on Wednesday. Eddie says that he doesn't want to walk, but walking would end the torture the Big Brother brought on today. Josh says that whether they walk or not, the group will still benefit. Curtis said that George has announced that he will leave, plus whoever is banished on Wednesday. George says that he want's everyone to agree as a group on what to do. |
Kitt | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 10:35 pm  Eddie is suggesting they nominate people such that all six are nominated, therefore decision is left to the public. Then they fulfil their obligation to the public and they don't have to struggle with the validity of the external bits of info they have been given. Jamie says John was intrigued that the hgs had created such a "them and us" feeling, and he was intrigued they had treated the "gift" of the Emmy visit with caution. Eddie urges everyone to think about todays decision and recollect the positives and negatives of why they should or should not leave, and what their motivations are. He says think tonight and really consider as a lot can happen between now and wednesday. Eddie says he is still thinking about his decision. Josh agrees. Josh says if they stay 3 people will benefit strongly, if they leave they are showing society isn't about greed. Eddie wants to know if they can make that point without leaving. Jamie re-suggests the idea of voting so that all are nominated everytime. Curtis isn't sure that that's within the rules. Eddie says the last thing the competitive side of him wants to do with walk, the last thing his obligations to his family want him to do is walk. Josh says he wants to do the best thing. Curtis says one of the three current nominees will leave on wednesday anyway and George has already says he wants to leave anyway. George says he doesn't know, his intention is that they should leave as a group. Eddie says he's tired and they need to carry on thinking, sleep on it, and see what they think in the morning. George says he can't deal with having to plot against each other. Jamie says she would love to see something that works for all of them. |
Corto | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 10:40 pm  Ok, sorry but short post here. Eddi call's the HGs to order on the whole deal. Asks that they all rethink the situation - all the good and all the bad since arriving in BB house. Josh pipes up and gives his 2cents. 1cent: if we stay, three people will make out financially 2cent: if we leave we get to say to society that we dont have to turn on each other for $$ They (Josh, Ed, and jamie) discuss that they could all nom each other (6 way ties) and let it be a 'popularity contest'. Curtis (lawyer'ly) quotes the rule book "you must make nominations as an individual decision" and says something about it can't be random, can't roll dice. Jamie points out that you can, infact, roll dice. Back to 6 way ties. then George says he is not sure what to do. Jamie and Ed discuss (Note: all this is as a group of ALL) the idea that they don't want to have to plot against one another, blah, blah. Ed quote "I think there is a way we can stay." Jam quote "Yes, there is.." Now the plot re-ravels (versus unravels) as not walking out and somehow 'making their point'. Cas: talking about herself as a definate gonner on Wed. (ed. main point here is they're gonna stay... I'm posting.) |
Max | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 10:45 pm  Jamie is finally out of the redrum. Asks where George is and they say the bathroom. She says when he comes back, she wants to have a little meeting. Curtis goes to get water. Everyone else is quiet. Jamie says she's glad she caught him (John). Says they had to run to the parking garage to get him back. Some talk about the cookies she made and how they came out different this time. Cass thinks maybe different baking powder? Cookie sheet died? They say they taste the same. (yawn!) Still no George. Eddie got up. Maybe looking for George? Curtis makes some comment about having a Tribal Council. Jamie says it's not Tribal Council. Curtis and Eddie are now standing in the hallway outside the girl's room. Eddie says this is some funny shit. Definitely ruining somebody's weekend and that's funny to him. George is out of the w/c. Eddie goes in. Makes some comment about exposing everyone to "it", but says they'd get stage fright. George heads for the living room. Curtis waits for Eddie to finish so he can have a turn. All quiet in the living room except for some comments about the beer. Josh says for the rest of his life he'll hear the words "Josh, we need to talk." Eddie is looking in the bathroom mirror and saying "crazy son-of-a-b*tch. F*cking crazy." Curtis comes out and Eddie says he'll be right there. He's brushing his teeth. Josh asks if a journalist will let you read a proof of a story before it's published when they've interviewed you. Cass says hardly ever, only if you ask them to read back to you what you told them. Josh says what if you let them record it, do you get a copy? Cass says no. Says any journalist who lets you read a story before it's published, you should run the other way. Curtis says journalists have lots of leeway and can say about anything they want and unless you can prove they did it with malice, you've got no recourse. Cass says especially entertainment journalists. Eddie is back. Jamie says she talked to John to let him know, pretty much what he heard at the table. He said he didn't want individual thoughts. She told him she'd love to see both ends meet in the middle. Says they feel very strongly as a group. She says he said things that were really powerful that she asked him to tell everyone, but he told her to tell them. He sais he is very intrigued. As a person from the outside world, he encourages them to rethink this in terms of how they've talked about how they must look like they are pitted against each other for money. Infact they have no idea if that's how the audience perceives them. Wouldn't give her a number of viewers, just "the amount of people" watching. The tiny bit of information between Brit, Josh, and George isn't all of the story and is very little to make such a huge assumption. ONn the flip side, they need to consider that all the peopel who love to watch them, they ahve a commitment to them to go through the whole experience. Understands they have these good intentions of making a stand, but they are doing that based on assumptions of how they are perceived. Josh says he's not making any of those assumptions. She says he told her that all they've been talking about is created by them in the house and has nothing to do with what's going on outside. He said they might feel they are doing something, but he would encourage them to rethink that and think closely about what they are doing. Could be as simple as they are quitting to many people who watch. He said to think about the fact they are perceiving competition as a bad thing. George says he knows John is listsening. Wants to know why they put Josh against them. "Come on, let's talk!"> Jamie says John's gone home. Says he's intrigued by this and he understands 'cause they are so isolated. She points out that the bits and pieces they have from Brit and planes isn't all of it. He said from an outsider's perspective it's hard to understand how they came to such a big decision that fast. Reiterates that they are quitting. That they are considering competition as a bad thing. George again says that they pitted Josh against him. Josh says he's not making any assumptions things. He says it's not like him to make judgements about people. Jamie says the public is making the judgements not them. Josh says the public isn't living there, they are. Jamie says you could say that about pageants,too, but it's the way it works and it's an experience. Josh says competition would be if they didn't have to nominate and the public just called in each week and voted to banish. Curtis says they could nominate each other every time so that all of them would be up. Eddie says yeah, they could do that. That way, they don't go against each other, someone, George or whatever, gets the money, and they still make their point. Jamie says some more about how John thinks they created all this feeling of turning against each other. Used Curtis and the Emmy ticket as an example and how they all thought there was a catch to it where it was just a gift. Said it's not an opportunity for Curtis to gather information or anything, just to have a good time as a gift. George says what about Eddie's massage. Jamie says it was maybe to let Mega have a fun thing and Eddie put that twist on it and they revealed it to them. Eddie says he urges everyone to stop and think about their decision, the events, all the things that have happened and they've thought about. Recollect everything positive and negative about why they should or possibly shouldn't walk. Statements, personal reasons, the hell of it, to f*ck CBS, to do something for their country, whatever. Stop and think tonight and really think about it. Cause a lot can happen between now and Wednesday. He's going to think about it. Josh talks about the movie 12 Angry Men and how one person can change everything and turn the whole thing around. Agrees with Eddie. Says if they all stay, 3 people will benefit greatly and it will change their lives. The benefit of leaving will show that society doesn't have to be about greed. Eddie wants to know if they can establish that point by not leaving and nominating so it's a popularity contest. Jamie says she has no problem with voting so they are all up every time. They ask Curtis about if they can do that. Curtis says the rules say everyone has to do it for themselves. Says that the rules say any nomination round can be held invalid if BB doesn't feel they did that. Jamie says they'll allow them to roll dice. Says she ASKED THEM ABOUT THAT LAST WEEK (!!!!!) and they said it was okay. Eddie says this would probably be the first thing in his life he'd do for himself. If he could do both (didn't catch it all) that would be cool. Josh says he wants to do what will be best for the most people. Curtis says they are constrained by 2 facts. One will leave on Wednesday and George has said he plans to leave Wednesday regardless. George says he doesn't know what to do. What he wants is for the group to agree. He says he guesses that's what it's going to come down to. Eddie says he's about to go in the redrum to say goodnight and then is going to bed and will be thinking about this. Suggests they all get some rest, think about it, and talk in the morning. George says what he can't deal with is if they have to plot against each other. Jamie says if they can find something that works like what Eddie said, that's perfect. SHe'd love to see whoever have that extra week or two in the house and have the 3 people who win be from this group and George needs to pay for Vegas. They laugh. Curtis says do we have time to consider this. Doesn't want to pressure anyone, but needs to know what time frame they have to decide. Jamie reiterates that JOhn wants them to think about it and that the perspective from outside is different than inside. Says she told him they hope to have a little more understanding after Curtis returns from the Emmies and he said that's not a source of information gathering and they won't allow it to be that. She thinks what Eddie said is the perfect thing if they can find it as a group. Eddie says he thinks they can find a way to stay, still get their point across, and succeed. Josh says what about the issue of banishment on Wednesday. Cass says to be realistic, they know she's going on Wednesday. They protest, but she shushes them and says look, it's okay to sacrifice one person and go forward with a plan. George says he's in an awkward point, too.... Josh says you never know. Maybe that hometown influence changed, we don't know. Jamie says the key is not that someone is going to leave, but that they aren't going to go against each other in any way shape or form. They tell George that if his town is behind him, that's cool. Eddie says "One-legged people of America unite!" Jamie says the plane that didn't have George's and Cass' initial is probably influencing Cass' opinion that she's leaving. Says there isn't any basis for Cass to assume that she's the one going. The popularity poll was a while ago and doesn't necessarily mean anything. Don't have any idea who's going. Need to come to a consensus as a group. Says the AOL poll that was the first time they announced it on TV which meant millions of people logged on and voted after that and they don't know what that outcome is. Eddie again says to sleep on it, think about it, have great dreams, and when they get up in the morning talk about it. Tells BB "If you break balls, I'm gonna piss in your microphones, I'm not gonna lie!" Josh says if one person is wavering, all bets are off 'cause it won't work unless they are all behind it. Eddie says he is wavering and has been since the beginning. Jamie says she told John that everyone is so smart and such a leader that there must be a way they can come together and find the ultimate best thing to do that meets all their goals and benefits them. Eddie says there's nothing more that he wouldn't like than to fulfill their fans if they have them, commend them, show love and respect, do the season. Would like to keep a closeness with the HGs, too, let nominations be a popularity contest, whatever. And he would like nothing better than to take their money. What they are going to pay the whole house off with, CBS made with the first commercial the first night. Wants to keep the spirit of the game. Mentions the HGs already gone. Brings up the $108K split discussion and reiterates his reason for not agreeing with that. Says the competition is the thing. Says he doesn't want to be a compeition freak, but maybe he is. Other HGs were opponents, but he's looking at them now more as a team and he wants to fight with them, not against them. BB is a referee. Again says, quit beating a dead horse tonight, suck down some brews tonight, get some rest and deal with it tomorrow. Tomorrow is going to be a long, crazy day. Relax, breath, chill out. That's where he stands. He heads for the redrum and then bed. |
Cackyh | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 10:45 pm  jam: what do you think if we all nominate each other every time. they ask curtis if it's legal. curt says bb can deem it null/void any time they like. ed: last thing i wanna do is walk. i have obligation to my family. if i can accomplish both something for me (society) and something for family (money), i'll be larger than life josh agrees. curt: we are constrained by two facts. one of us will leave, and george has announced his intention to leave on weds. regardless. geo: i don't know what to do. what i want is we all have to agree as a group. i guess that's what it's gonna come down to. cuz ya know josh, you said today that we all have to agree, and i don't know what to do. ed: well i'll tell you right now, i been thinking about this all day, and i'm tired, and i'm going to sleep. we should think about it and talk again in the morning. george: what i can't deal with is if we gotta plot against each other. jam: if we can find a way not to, it will be perfect. and also i say george pays for everyone for vegas. curt: do we have the luxury of time? i don't wanna make any hasty decisions. jam asked john the time frame, and says 2 things came across: hg really really need to think, and so we must have time...and she said hopefully we'll be able to understand more after emmy's, and he told me that the emmy's will NOT be a source of info gathering, they won't let it be. so we probably won't learn much from that. josh: okay so what do we do about weds. banishment? cass: well you know it's me. be honest. (all protest) cass: look, it's okay if we sacrifice (all protesting even more) geo: oh, i don't feel good about this josh: that's always up to chance all agree that it's a great thing that geo. has whole town for him. jamie thinks the plane without cass's initials has affected her thinking. jamie reminds her that it may not mean anything, and that the popularity poll was 3 weeks ago, and probably millions logged on after it was publicized, and surely it's changed by now. eddie urges everyone to think, take it easy, dream dreams, etc...we'll take things one step at a time, weds will roll around, and "we'll do what we do" josh: if anyone is wavering, it doesn't work ed: i'm wavering, without a doubt jam: i told john, everyone in this house is a leader and sooooo smart, i feel like there is a way that we can come up with a plan that meets our goals geo: so you can't pit us against each other ed: i would love to make the fans happy, fulfill the season, maintain relationship with you, and take their money. i'd like to keep the spirit of the game. (points to masks) you've got the people who've left...remember the spirit of the game. it's competition. i feel bad, granted jordan/mega weren't friends, but they were competitors. i wanna fight with youse guys, not against you. i see it as a team, with bb as the referee. please the fans, please the family, and take their money. so go to bed, tomorrow's gonna be crazy, long, and even into wednesday...let's just chill out. silence, and ed says he's going to RR and going to bed. josh: we set the goals as a group, lay em out, and think how we can put the plan into action. |
Cackyh | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 10:52 pm  (hi max, glad we're getting all this...) george asks how cass is doing, she says she needs to think things through. josh: 3 people are nominated, and we're making a decision that these people can't make, and that's not fair. jam: talks about "from this day on" we won't be pitted against each other cass reminds jamie that this won't become summer camp over night, the game will go on, there may be still things they're uncomfy with a moment of silence... josh: what i'm saying is the 3 people are half the people in the house, and they've helped us get to this decision, and they should have a 1 in 6 chance instead of the 1 in 3 chance they face. jam sees his point josh: and i dunno if there's a way to change that. but maybe we can make it work, maybe it's up to us, maybe our popular vote decides, and we count on them to put our choices into action jam asks what curt's thinking, he says he's soaking it in. doesn't think decision was in haste, they thought it through, but given time they should take the chance to think it thought...like an outsider would. just wants to think about it. doesn't want to think about what his own feelings are, wants to think about the group. |
Kitt | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 10:52 pm  Josh says his only concern is that the three who have been nominated this time round have been part of the decision making process for the whole group, yet, they have a one in three chance of leaving, rather than the one in six chance they wanted. Curtis says he doesn't believe they made their earlier decision in haste but "given the luxury of time" that might change. He's letting it all sink in at the moment. The group disperse. |
Cackyh | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 10:55 pm  on f1, a quick flash of eddie sitting in the RR, and then back to george talking about his matching shorts. geo: what a day, huh? what a day in this place... jam/curt agree, say wait for tomorrow! george exits LR, leaving jamie and curt on couches, playing with pug. |
Cackyh | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 10:58 pm  curt: you seem pretty sure that you don't think we should walk jam: yeah, i could care less if i walk next but i think we can come to a decision that's best for everyone and still stay. curt: you had these feelings i'm sure, before jam: no, not really, but i just thought we could meet them half way, us and cbs...asks curt for a hug. and it's a looooong hug. curt/jam discussing the logistics of winning and losing, what they'd be giving up (curt doesn't think he'll win so doesn't see he's giving up a lot) jamie ponders. |
Karen | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 10:58 pm  Jamie comes out of RR .. announces she wants to have mtg when Geo returns from Bathroom. I'm really glad I caught him (John).. they had to run down to the parking garage. cU; tribal council Ja:it's not tribal council Cu; a meeting of substance Jo: reading Budweiser bottle. says its most expensive beer to brew (really? no way) Cu tells Geo in bathroom.. hollywood wants to have a meeting.. soon as we all pee george says to jamie: Good?? ja: yeah G: that's what I like to hear Ed: Son of a B*tch.. you're f**kin crazy (to himself in mirror) Discussion of entertainment journalism while waiting for eddie Ja went in there to talk to John.. he said he didn't want to hear individual thoughts. said is there some place we could meet in the middle. He says he is very intrigued over what we've done. as outsider.. he encourages us to rethink. we may look like were pitted against each other for money but We have no idea if thats even close to what were perceived as by viewing public. We have very little basis to making such a huge assumption (about george's town) we made a commitment to people to fulfill our stay in here and have it unfold. we have intentions to make stand...but what we think has nothing to do with what's going on outside. You may feel you're doing something.. It may be as simple as you are quitting for x amount of people who are viewing. we're percieving competition as a bad thing.. g: john.. i know you're listening... why are you pitting Josh against me? come on.. lets talk Ja hes going home ja: we are isolated and all we have is tiny bits.. like from brit and planes.. we should consider that it just intrigues him as an outsider how we could make a decision like we did today so quickly. Competition isn't a bad thing. g: it is when you have to do something like Josh did to me ja: he said were creating that internally jo; its not for me to decide to like or dislike someone, to judge someone Ja its the pubic that decides jo; but the public isn't living in here Jo; difference between competition and this.. is we have to nominate. Cu: the way around that is to nominate everyone each time (yeah! I said this in a discussion) Ed: each person gets voted .. 2 votes each Ja: he sees the us vs them.. and doesn't understand why.. We're fair.. we just wanted to give you a gift (Emmy ticket) and you all were suspicious and thought it was a trick. He won't get the opportunity to do information gathering and stuff.. its a fun thing... ed: real quick.. like to urge everyone to stop and think aobut todays events.. from day 1 to day 68 and recollect everythig positve and negatives as to why we should or shouldn't walk. Stop and think tonight and really think about it. Alot can happen between now and WEd Jo; I can tell you.. 12 angry men.. one person can change everything .. turn everything around. A benefit to stayig.. 3 people will benefit.. Benefit to leaving.. society doesnt have to be about greed ed: can we do that by nominating each other ja; i have no problem with that.. nominating each other Cu: they won't allow you to roll dice.. each has to decide for themselves ja; they allow you to roll dice Jo: how do you know? Ja: I asked them last week Ed: for my famiy.. the last thing I want to do is walk.. this would be something I do for me. Jo: if we can reach a compromise.. reach it if it is the best thing Cu: strained by 2 facts.. one will be leaving on Wed.. and G has announced he's leaving on WE regardless G: I dont know. What I want is we all agree as a group. Guess thats what its gonna come down to. Ed been thinking abou tis all day.. Im tired.. don't be racking your brains too much.. but sleelp on it.. talk about it again tomorrow after breakfast G: what I can't deal with if we have to plot against each other. J; if we can vote like Eddy says... and I say G pays for eveyone for vegas cu; do we have the luxury of time to waffle over this? ja: I hope we can get a better sense. He said Jamie.. as someone from the outside world.. you really need to think about this. gives me the idea we have alittle time Ja: says the emmy thing won't be good for getting any more information... Can we find a way as a group Ed: I think we can.. I know we can.. find a way Ca; realistically we know that I'm the one that's going. If you feel comfortable... sacrificing one person....its great. If you stay.. I think that's wonderful G: Its awkward for me too Jo: if you have a home town behind you.. more power to you... its okay.. as long as we arent pitted against each other. Ca: recognize you have an opportunity.. Ja: I don't think you should assume it is you.. no idea.. just come to consensus as group. AOL polls could be totally different now. Ed: think about it.. dream happy thoughts... g: I'm definitely gonna sleep tongiht Ed: you break my balls (to BB) I'm gonna pi$$ on your microphones and I'm not lyin Jo: if anyone is wavering. (missed rest) Ed: I'm wavering .. without a doubt. was in the beginning ed Nothingmore I'd like than to commend our fans.. do the season.. keep closeness with you.. nominations.. let it be everybody...make it a popularity contest.. and would like nothing better to take their money... and like to keep the spirit of the game. Like we said last week about the 108 split.. I didn't agree because of the spirit of the game. I don't want to be labeled a competition freak but maybe I am. At this point I don't look at you as opponents but as a team.. I see BB as the referee. I'd like to please our families, our fans, ourselves.. and get the payoff. Don't beat a dead horse.. get some rest.. gonna be long day tomorrow.. even into Wednesday Jo: set the goals of the group.. figure out how to accomplish all goals and make a plan to carry it out. Eddy has made some good points.. I want you guys to benefit from the money.. and I want us to stay cohesive. ed: I'll tell you this too.. everybody better f'in learn how to juggle by Friday (goes in RR) Ca: George I'm just gonna think about it.. give me some time Jo: bothers me about the vote.. not fair to those who wouldn't have been nominated under the way we weren't comfortable with. ja; weve said its a goal of ours not to be pitted against one another. Jo; one person will be screwed ca: its not summer camp..there may be things were uncomfortable with.. not always happy and fun.. just because we're not gonna do things against each other. jo; what I'm saying basically is those 3 people will have a 1 in 6 chance..and it should be 1 in 3. me you and George didn't come to these ideas on our own. cu: I don't believe we made our decision in haste.. but given the luxury of more time.. I just want to think about it. What my feelings are.. whether valid or twisted.. try to think from an outsider point of view. |
Cackyh | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 11:00 pm  curt/jamie move to kitchen to get in range of convo between josh/geo/cass. geo asks if they wanted him to tell what brit told, josh says don't worry about that, he thinks they didn't plan that and had no control. josh: all i know is they should show all our reasoning, morning to night, cuz if they leave anything out it doesn't make sense. (aha-ed) curt: i have faith in their editing. they'll be truthful. josh/cass wash dishes, curt sits. |
Auntkk | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 11:01 pm  Curtis telling Jamie that he doesn't want to think of it in terms of whether or not he will win when thinking about whether to stay or go, because he has more to lose if he feels he will win, and it is the same for the others. They hug. Josh tells George that he just wanted people to know that he had a huge fan base, but that "that is fine, and you shouldn't worry about that." Josh goes on to talk about how the editing will affect the real happenings in the house. Curtis interjects that he believes "the editing will be truthful". Cass and Josh doing dishes. |
Karen | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 11:04 pm  cu; you're pretty sure we shouldn't walk? ja; yeah.. went to talk to John to see if there was some way we could meet in the middle. We all know G is going to win Cu: I don't know if that's a guarantee either. It looks good for him.. but you never know. Decision shouldn't be based on premise that some one person is going to win... or lose, for that matter Jamie wanted to go to kitchen.. thought she was missing something to kitchen... Jo & G & Ca doing dishes Jo: don't think they knew what Brit was going to say.. just wanted me to be aware you (g) have a huge fan base, all they can do is show all our reasoning.. if they leave out anything it won't be the same Cu: their editing will be truthful |
Cackyh | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 11:08 pm  jamie helping dry dishes, george outside to do something, ed in bed, curt here and there, cass at sink. can't see josh. geo/josh now in bedroom on f3... geo: you gotta green haired man who's so damn confused, cackle-cackle f3 goes completely black. f4 catches curt and george out back, not sure what they're doing...josh also comes into view, now josh/curt back inside. hearing water but looking at back door. (since all seem to be talked out, and fingers are blistering, i'll check out from the east coast...) |
Noslonna | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 11:11 pm  approx 10:40 PM LR all hg present and having a group-think rethink after Jamie has returned from her talk with John in the RR. Eddie is saying theres nothing better he would like to do then please "my fans, my family, my friends..." and still stay in the spirit of the game. He wants them all to get some rest and sleep on it. He doesn't see any point in "beating a dead horse" because it's not going to do any good to keep going in circles. He says that's what he is going to do. He is going to go into the RR and then go to bed. Josh agrees and thinks they can come to an agreement that they are all happy with. After a few minutes of group-silence in the LR, Eddie goes to RR. George asks Cassandra what she wants to do and she tells him she is going to sleep on it overnight. Josh is worried whether it will be fair on the people up for banishments. In response to Jamie asking her opinion, Cass tells her it will still be the Big Brother House, it won't become summercamp... there will still be things they are uncomfortable with and "so forth." Josh goes on that of the six of them there will be 3 of them that do not have the chance to be one of the winners. He doesnt think that is fair... He continues that he doesnt know how to change that... but then he goes on to say they may have the power to change that too. He wants them all to be sure of what they want. There is a suggestion that they may have reached their decision too quickly and not thought it out well enough. Curtis says he thinks they have taken their time however he appreciates the time to think about it some more on his own and he was going to ... he tells Jamie that the points she told him were brought up by John were valid, however he (John) does work for BB. He wants to think about it some more... consider whether their motives really are altruistic.. Cass break the solemn atmosphere by getting up to go to the kitchen and Josh goes with her. Hear some hahaha from Josh in distance. The remaining 3 in LR. George gets up and says something about "Chicken Man" Jamie says his shorts match his hair. Little laugh. "Man! what a day" George said tiredly and leaves LR. Curtis and Jamie resort to pug talk for a minute. Curtis asks Jamie if John sounded like he thought they were nuts. Jamie says no, he was very articulate and Curtis agrees he is pretty smart. Curtis says to Jamie. "You seem pretty sure that you want to stay." Jamie explains how she just wants them all to decide as a group and with George as a winner. Curtis points out that George may not be the guaranteed winner. Jamie says thats true, you never know." Curtis doesnt want his decision based on the idea that he doesnt have as much to lose just because he thinks the winner is already decided. They hear a conversation between George and Josh in kitchen and say lets go and find out whats going on. [I'm sure people are covering this so I will stop now as I am not good at transcribing more a lot of talking] |
Rwsbetter | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 11:28 pm  Ed and Ja having a heart to heart about "walking" in BR. Ed: What are you reasons to walk. Ja: Make a point about togetherness. But on the other hand I don't like quiting. And I'd like to see someone I care about get the $. And with 2 weeks left, I want the experience. And I think the fans would want us to stay. And all we know is what's inside the house. Ed: Okay, let me say something and you tell me what's wrong with it. I think we go through the game as normal (no everyone nominated deal). What do you say to that. Ja: There's nothing wrong with that except public perception of backstabbing for $. The cure for that is for us all to be nominated. Do you see anything wrong with continuing the game as is? Ed: No. If Ge has the MW behind him, then you and Jo have the West Coast and Cu, Ca and I have the East Coast. Ja: The only problem I have with that is the nomination process feels/looks bad. Ed: Let me tell you, I've known you guys 2 months. I p*ss on people I've known 2 months. I'm concerned for my family of 22 years. Ja: So you weren't sure this morning when we all decided? Ed: I was pretty sure. Like everyone, I had questions about it. When people were saying lets walk tonight, I was like no f*cking way. I'm now just trying to figure the way to get out of this where I don't look like an idiot. |
Scribe | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 11:28 pm  Jamie and Eddie are talking in bedroom...jamie and eddie decided to compare their positions..seems they both want to stay (ed:do I see a tentaive alliance forming?). Ed: I have to do what is right for me. I dont see you getting as much satisfaction as myself walking away...(?)... george comes into room..conversation ends.... backup-Jam and ed did say to keep regular schedule up...banishment on Wed, noms on Wed etc etc.... |
Rwsbetter | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 11:34 pm  Ed: I'm not worried about making the wrong decision. I just want to make the decision that's optimal for the situation. And if I'm out of here on Wed. Then you guys can get your sh*t together and decide to walk out on the Fri live show. Ge come's in for bed. Ja: Going to bed, Ge? Ge: I don't know what the chickenman is doing. The chickenman's confused. Ja hugs then leaves BR. Ge: This place is nuts. Ed: Good observation. But, you know, it's not that bad. Ge: Yeah it is. |
Kirabira | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 11:40 pm  (many typos , much sorry) LR that doesnt bother me so much, esp as someoen who is nom josh itll be quick (rr visit) jo in RR curtis drinking on couch feed 1 kitchen jamie cass eddie cleaning ensues eddie leaves... pug asleep in lr j n cas wash dishes in silence now... george walks in chuckling g:hmm somebody smells really good cass: thats jamie ja: you cookin chickman? g: no im boiling talk about chickm had it rough jamie: we all had it a little rough today more cleaning jamie mutters somehting about what shes cleaning.. ja: its 1130 i feel like its later ja funny voice:now that we're *something* we'll go to bed earlier than curfew one of those girls singing... Ge: are we done j & cas: yep... ge:you guys retiring to bed? cass: i am, you.?. g: i dunno what im doing... more cleaning... george sweepong... jamie talkign with eddie: boys room ed thank you i appreciate that. Ja: i just.. lala ed: if you and i could come to f*** terms.. ja: i like that we are different ed: ok what are your reasons to walk?? j: well.. relaly what i said at the table and thats all based on an assumption were making that this is persecived as pit against each other. i think we could say somehting to society..w e come together flip side everthing we talked about..asll the reasons weve been w/o our fam freinds..doing this for last 2 months.. and now quitting? and if someones going to get the $ ifd farrather see someoen i love 3 ppl get the money.. I think we can accomplish all of our goals by staying. i think the fans would want us to stay. i dunno but i think so and umm.. and the one pnt that is very valid is all we know is.. ed: what we keep inside our heads is what we know ja: right ed: let me say something and you tell me what is wrong i think nothings changed at all we should have banish we. nom on thurs. no you nom me etc we just play the game jaim: well i say that theres nothign wrng with that i guess concern is that the public may see this as ppl... puir for money for us all to be up ed ok you are cur as to the pub seeing us fighting for money jami: NO that is the group.. the point of walking would be coming tog as a group jaim: do u see anything wrong with con as is? ed: no if G has ppl behind him then he does... its the battle of the viewers. not us were just pawns in the game jaim: i see where youre coming from. the pub choses.. even tho we nom. the pub chooses.. the groups concern is having to nom 2 hgs. everyone sees as going against eachother ed; my counter argu is that weve known each other 2 months.. i will puiss on ppl to take cr of my fam of 22 years. we knew about this coming into this. piss on ppl step on ppl. we know that we can walk at any time if we dont like the circ jaim; you were commit to walking hismonring? ed: i was tining about it. not commited..... im still thinking about it... if you guys woudl walk right now id think about it. sums up that he can wffle its human. i have to do whats right for me jaim: oh i agree.. ed: i dont see me getting dam near as much personal satis walking out as staying.. i see me regretting if i walk. im looking for every poss reason not to regret it.. georg pokes in lays down on bed:chicken brain is shot jaim: you should feel good. it takes a strong person to stand up for how you feel.. thats admirable that is... (ed GAG) Ge: Cm feels like hes been deep vat? fried jaim: hmmm ed: think. think stupid think jaim: thats somethign i strive.... <talk i miss here...> my briefcase has been in ur room ed: i dony fear making the wrng dec. i fear not using situat in fullest capacity.. everyoen makes mistakes... what can i do to mke the best. i can avoid making wrong dec.... by not walking now dont forget. i could be gone on wed. you could reunite and walk on friday. ed: dont forget youre losing ppl regardless... 1 in 3 chance its me... right now 5 on 1... its you guys feel strongly and youre 100% towards it and im 10% (towards walking) jai: you put it really well... i dont want to not get the most out of the exper. its an amazingopportunity. geor: i dunno what the chickens doing. the chicken is so confused.. jaimie says shes going to bed.. hugs george.. sleep well rest... geor: my brain is shot camera moves in an out... eddie looks like he is still thinking... flippign coin.. geo: this place is nuts ed: gooooood observation ed: i dunno not that bad geor: yeah yeah it is laughing... geo: im tired of sleepign on the mattress ed: wanna try double mattress? 2 of these... i sleep better when i sleep n the floor in this place... i sleep out n the livng room.. geor: eddie what do u think monicas doing now ed: figures out german time.. shes sleeping....shes workign hard tonight and um.. *sound probs** feed switch to cass josh and jaimie tail end of convo cass ok guys going to bed anyone want hot water if i wake up jaimie : yeahh i would josj and jaime hug lonnng time... jai: crazy house i talked to eddie sums up eddie covo.. john still in rr will talk to cass if she wants it... hes there for everyoen says josh... jai so you feel bttr then? jo:joshy cant stay here a month.. (is that what he said??) silen\ce.. josh: they want more personal things.. someting baout nomnot being honest jaimi: mm hmm.. mm hmm josh: says john told him this might hurt him.. see him as being cold... josh says this was a good point.. ed n G taling but cant hear it... muffled... |
Cfan | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 11:45 pm  George walks into the room during Jamie and Eddie's heart to heart about what just happened. George says the chicken man's brain is shot. I notice that Eddie sits up and holds his hand up to his face effectively blocking his view of George. Interesting body language. I don't think I've ever seen Eddie seem as if he couldn't look at George before. He keeps this position even after George says something like "Chicken man" feels like he's deep fried. George is laying on his bed with his head resting on his scrunched up blanket. When Jamie gets up to leave, she gives Eddie a long hug and then George. Nothing is said between George and Eddie at first. Then George asks him what he thinks Monica is doing right now. Didn't catch it. Jamie goes to the living room and her and Josh Hug for a long time. Missed a bit of their conversation (lost sound) They are sitting and looking very serious. Just staring and thinking switched to f/4 The boys room is dark. George just kicked his covers off and said "Turn on the AC you guys" There's no talking between them. Curtis is not in the room. Probably off thinking alone. |
Karen | Saturday, September 09, 2000 - 11:48 pm  Eddie and jamie (talking in guys room - missed first part) seem to agree that they would continue the game as before... no rigging of voting.. let it play out.. ja you were committed to walk despite what you just said ed: I was thinking about it.. still am.. I might change my mind tomorrow.. the next night.. that's human. I dont see myself getting as much satisfaction in walking on Wed as staying. I think I'd regret it.. I'm looking for a reason not to regret it. Ja; says its admirable to say how you feel... (as Geo walks in and says "what are you doing in here') Ja: how's chicken man G: feels like he's been deep fat fried E: and you know what it is too? I don't fear making the wrong decision.. I fear not using the situation for its full potential. I think I can do that by not walking.. thats what I'm thinking right now. Now.. don't forget.. I could be out of here Wednesday.. and you guys can get your sh8t together and walk together on Friday. Theres' a 1 in 3 chance it;ll be me. Ja: I don't want to not get the most out of this experience e: Happy Birthday Dad ja: you going to bed? Crashing? (to Geo) g: don't know what the Chicken's doin.. Ja gives him pillow.. hug .. and a good night... G; this place is nuts Ed: oh its not that bad g: eddy.. yeah it is G: what do you think Monica is doing now? E; 9 am in Germany..Monica's sleeping. was working hard tonight... oops.. cam switched Long Josh/Jamie hug.... Ja: talked to Eddy.. JO: he wants to stay? Ja yeah Jo: Cass. if you want to talk to John.. he's in there.. he's waiting around.. just to be fair to everybody if they want to talk to him Jo; i like is point on "josh you can't save everyone" Jo.. told me point blank didn't think nominations were (? missed it, sorry) ... may hurt you if you don't get personal with noms....... they may look at you as being strategic. <long pause> RR footage that will never be used ja; you think? jo; dont think so at all <longer pause> ja: this is wild meanwhile.. in the cave..... G: I just came here to have a good time, dude. E: nothing wrong with that G: man you can get waxed though <pause> hot in here tonight ed: yeah G: turn on the AC guys <I'm gone tonight.. acutal 2:46 am here> |
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