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Casper

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 07:29 am Click here to edit this post

I for one could have done with Eddie telling Jamie not to get her "panties in a bunch". This was after the banner
"Jamie 2faced--saveeddie.com banner.
talk about 2faced Eddie tells the people "like my a$$ needs saving", making fun of the folks who sent it in front of
Curtis and Jamie...then after they went into the house Eddie stays behind and gives the banner his thanks.
Then instead of being the "big hearted guy" everyone keeps talking about tells Jamie "not to get her panties in a
bunch". Isn't that sweet of him ...yes a big "teddy bear" he is. She asks him not to say that...he says "oh you're being
sensitive". How about no---Eddie your being "gross". And is so "chauvinistic" to say something like that. So "teenish/childish".

And was completely uncalled for. I was expecting him to say "Oh Jamie are you raging?"
Eddie you have got to be the "groty-est" person I've seen on t-v. And the thing is you are not acting. That is the real
you. You are a bevis&butthead one man show. This "Texas chick" will BE voting for ya man. I wish they'd censor not
only your words but put a big "blur spot" on you face.

Eddie ---- you are a "GROTY" man.

Thebreeze

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 07:34 am Click here to edit this post

I'm agreeing with you on the acronym "f***", Smashedkat. I read a definition that varies just a tad, "for unlawful carnal knowledge", but the idea remains the same. Did you notice Eddie's father on Saturday's show? Loosely quoted, he said, "In New York, you don't say, 'Open the door.', "you say, 'Open the f***ing door.'" I don't know when he got into the habit of his "expletitious" speaking, but that's how I view Eddie's (imo)offensive language. It's not so much the measure of his character and outlook, as it is just a bad habit. I once worked under a manager who had the same habit, and I could almost view it as comical, meaning that the "F" word was used whether it was even vaguely appropriate or not. Where Brit might use the word "totally", Eddie uses the word "f***ing". Of course, Eddie also uses variations of it as a noun, an adjective, and maybe even a dangling participle at times! I think Eddie's a great guy, and I'm still wondering if he really talks that way so much "on the outside". The majority of the people I know would definitely ask him to clean it up!

Boogie

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 08:06 am Click here to edit this post

Fruitbat and Mlady... I think I agree with you guys the most.

I like Eddie. I'm not sure I could properly defend him, but I know I like him. Why? I like exactly how he is. I don't hate my friends who say stupid things... At the end of the day, I know I'd have a good time drinking beer with Eddie. He cracks me up, and yeah, sometimes he'll say something I totally disagree with. But he seems like the kind of guy who'd listen to my side of things.

George, Jamie... I don't think I could spend 5 minutes in a room with either of them. Karen either. No personality, and not enough brains or life experience to keep me interested.

I hope Eddie wins... because I like him the most. Yeah, he has one leg and a filthy mouth. Makes him even better in my book.

I'll also add that since he's from Long Island, how can ANY of us from any other part of the country understand what he's like???? New Yorkers have their own culture, and Long Islanders especially, from what I understand.
Just a thought...

Go Eddie!!!

Franny1

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 08:13 am Click here to edit this post

I'm confused! Can't you have a sense of humor and still be an honest person? It's all in the way you perceive it. If swearing offends you then you will not like Eddie. If honesty is your bag then you will like Eddie. If you have a sense of humor and understand the bathroom humor angle then you will like all of the boys. If you like quiet young ladies with manners then you will like Jamie. There are qualities in each one of these young people I admire and some that I don't, but everyone can say that about anyone they meet. Let's not again take everything out of perspective. I wonder how many are as passionate about the presidential elections as they are about bb..Just asking?

Wendy

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 10:22 am Click here to edit this post

Rufus: You made an excellent point!!!

I also find it disturbing that people around here get upset when someone is rude or belligerent, but yet they will defend Eddie to the end.

I am an Eddie supporter, but I do find that irony quite hypocritical and frustrating. You're right, when someone is on TV (therefore a celebrity) anyway they act is acceptable, but in real life people can't handle aggressive behavior.

I'm glad you mentioned it. :)

Lafatme

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 03:47 pm Click here to edit this post

wendy, i'm one who doesn't like to read rude posts here. i'm also one who will defend eddie. the difference? he's talking to people he knows, not strangers.his language is not judgemental, rather it's a regional and generational way of talking. crude, yes, rude, no.

those who have a problem with eddie just over his language better not go near the military. those same men and women who we love to honor make eddie look tame. i know from experience, and the women are worse than the men. it's true.

none of this has anything to do with who they are inside, only the exterior. i believe eddie is a fine young man, eventually he will lose the roughness. it takes a woman to "civilize" a man, and monica, or some other woman, will make him acceptible one day.

i expect, once jamie is gone, that we'll see josh and curtis join eddie in his crudeness. let's watch and see.

Bigbrofan

Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 06:07 pm Click here to edit this post

Thanks for responding so much everyone. I just needed to know if people were as frustrated as I am with Eddie right now. I also like him and have always wanted him to win. I'm having a hard time with the Jewish comment. (calling the appliance a Jew because it's cheap and shoddy) I just don't find this kind of humor funny. I can handle swearing, it doesn't bother me. I can handle bathroom humor, fart jokes, whatever. It's the racial jokes that bother me. I know a great deal of people tell them. I just think Eddie is mature and intelligent enough to refrain from this on national television. From this standpoint I'm really not understanding that a majority of this board dislikes Jamie but will go to the mat for Eddie. I've been weary of posting that his clothes line comment to Jamie, in retrospect, is really unsettling with me. At first I kept saying he's joking, but I'm still waiting to think it's funny I guess. I think I'll just sit this round out from voting, I can't vote for Eddie or Curtis. I also dont' really want to vote for Josh or Jamie. I'm glad to see there are a lot of Eddie fans that don't support his comments. That's the category I think I fall into the best as well!

Lafatme

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 01:40 am Click here to edit this post

bigbrofan, i'll try to explain the clothesline thing but i don't know if you really can or want to understand it. it's up to you.

there was a time when little boys used to dip little girls pigtails into the ink wells on their desks at school-this is the same thing.

most young guys are uncomfortable being close to girls who they are not romantically involved with. those girls don't fit into a category that the young man has experience with, eg:mother, sister, girlfriend.

the only "friend" relationships the guy can relate this person to are those he has with his "buddies" so he puts her into that category in order to show she's "one of his boys"

it would be perfectly normal, and uncontroversial, if eddie wanted to "clothesline" josh. all would see it as two guys goofing around. the fact that he would feel comfortable enough to include her into the same category as josh was meant as a compliment. he doesn't know how else to get his message across, that she's "okay in my book", so to speak.

men do these kinds of things to express that they've bonded, i guess some women don't understand. josh would have understood immediately what eddie was trying to communicate. i don't know know if jamie got it or not.

Wendy

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 01:52 am Click here to edit this post

Bigbrofan: Today when he made the dead baby joke, I was feeling exactly what you are as well. My positive feelings for him haven't waned, but I too, got a little frustrated with him.

Lafatme: "i believe eddie is a fine young man,"

I agree.

"eventually he will lose the roughness."

I hope so.

"it takes a woman to "civilize" a man,"

Oh please, it is not the responsibility of a woman to "civilize" any man. Eddie, and all other unevolved males and females on the planet have to take responsibility for their own lives and actions and grow up on their own.

You were joking, right?

Fenixtx

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 02:05 am Click here to edit this post

Lafatme, I'm LAUGHING at your excuses for Eddie behavior.

You'd rather try to convince everyone here that it's OK for a 21y/o man to act like a 12y/o child than to admit that his behavior is abnormal and/or offensive.
It's becoming more and more obvious why he acts the way he does, by constantly making excuses for him people like you are encouraging his immature behavior.

Shygirl15

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 05:04 am Click here to edit this post

I really like Eddie, but I'll be the first to admit that sometimes he goes a little overboard. What really bothers me though.....is that if Jamie or any other HG is upset about the things he says......WHY DON'T THEY LET HIM KNOW!!!! Britt was the only one who would give him crap back. Jamie drives me crazy because she won't stand up to him!!!!!! If Eddie would have told Britt he wanted to clothesline her, she would have got right in his face. I would respect Jamie more if she would just show some genuine emotion.

Webrover9

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 06:08 am Click here to edit this post

I would have respected anyone if they would have stood up to him! As long as he is allowed to act like that, he will. Too many people make excuses for him and his bad behavior. Maybe they just don't like to make waves.

Franny1

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:20 am Click here to edit this post

He has been testing these waters for a long time and no one takes the bait or is willing to say "that is not acceptable". He is a bored, young, immature, male and you either like him or you don't. Sometimes you have to read between the lines and not accept everything at face value. Some on these threads have tunnel vision when it comes to these hgs, by focusing approval on language, vanity, arrogance, and indecisiveness. Do yourselves a favor and try to look at what is good about these people, you might find open-mindedness refreshing.

Rufusgriswold

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 08:43 am Click here to edit this post

I think you're right, Franny1. Looking beneath the surface isn't always easy, but it's worth the trip. I've never denied that Eddie has a good heart, but he has more scrupulously guarded it than anyone in the house. I think of this everytime an Eddie banner flies overhead and Eddie has to wait until everyone else goes inside before he can thank the people who sent it. We the viewers have had a chance to see both sides of Eddie, but I'm not so sure that he had given the other HGs that same opportunity.

I wish a few more people had been willing to dig below the surface with Jamie. I was initially amused by her superficial behavior, but the more I watched, the more I realized that there was an intelligent, but lonely and unhappy little girl under the surface. She has been struggling her whole life to be "perfect" to meet the expectations of her family and counselors. That's an extraordinary burden for any young person. The fact that her two "best friends" accompanying her to the show are also Miss USA winners makes it clear how few real friends she has. She tried to make contact with Brittany and proved her friendship by NEVER voting for her. Her reward was to be dumped upon by Britt through Josh and bombarded by hurtful banners from the sky. As near as I can tell, Jamie's primary fault has been that she has expectations that may exceed her reach and that she has been too focused on those dreams to the exclusion of more immediate opportunities. Had she just opened herself up to the experience of the BB house, instead of hiding from it, she would not only have made some strong friendships, but would have endeared herself to national TV audiences.

All in all, BB has been an interesting opportunity to see a fuller portrait of people we might otherwise ignore in our daily life.

Skw

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 09:10 am Click here to edit this post

Help me out here.

Set up, in context, Eddie's and George's anti semitism

I want the scene and exactly what was said

I never knew anyone even mentioned the Holocaust

Bigbrofan

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 10:51 am Click here to edit this post

Wendy: What was the dead baby joke? I missed it. I tried to search the live feeds and will probably find it before someone replies. Just wondering!

I want everyone to know I am not bashing Eddie. I don't think the school girl pulling the pig tails is a good enough excuse though. There isn't that big of an age difference between Eddie and the remaining HG's. (other than Curtis maybe) I agree Eddie is immature. I just don't think a 21 year old man should still be picking on women because he has a crush on them. I still like him a lot. I won't be disappointed if he wins. I just hope his mother or someone talks to him about some of his behavior. It would be nice to see him apologizing for it but I don't think that's in his nature. I do think he'll be sorry, I just don't think he'll publicly admit it. He's been through a lot in his life. Maybe he'll learn out of this that he doesn't have to be hateful to protect himself against people.

Lafatme

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 02:07 pm Click here to edit this post

wendy, i never said, nor was i implying, that it is a woman
s RESPONSIBILITY to civilize a man. most of us are boys until we meet a woman who we want to be a man for.

remember that movie with jack nicholson and helen hunt? he said to her "you make me want to be a better man" that's what i meant.

what i was saying is that most 21 yr old "boys" have little experience relating to women on a deep level unless it's as a mother role or sister role. i'll bet eddie doesn't act this way around monica, or his mom. he doesn't know how to act around jamie since she is neither.

i know what i'm talking about but it would take way too long to cite example after example. i'll just say that if you don't understand what i'm saying, you will someday.

Wendy

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 02:11 pm Click here to edit this post

Bigbrofan: The dead baby joke: Why did the dead baby cross the road? Because it was stapled to the chicken.

Lafatme: I respect your elaboration on your comment.

Skw

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 02:55 pm Click here to edit this post

S0, did george and eddie NOT make antisemitic/Holocaust humor???

Nishy

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 03:04 pm Click here to edit this post

SKW: All I've heard about Eddie as far as specifics is the "cheap and shoddy" comment (although I'd read other posters mention anti-semitic comments early on the actual words weren't used).

As for George, his Holocaust statement wasn't an attempt at humour. It was just incredibly stupid. He said "Why didn't the Jews just hide?"

Chris

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 03:22 pm Click here to edit this post

SKW: I am unaware of any anti-semetic comments by Eddie. George did make the comment that Nishy refers to above.

Bigbrofan

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 03:28 pm Click here to edit this post

Eddie called an appliance a Jew. When asked why he said it was because it was cheap and shoddy. George asked why the Jews just didn't hide during the Holocaust. I wasn't happy with George's question. I felt at his age his should be better eductaed. Eddie's to me was worse though because it was a statement, not a question, that generalized a group of people. Kidding or not kidding it just wasn't too funny. I see the Jamie clothes line statement the same way. I don't think he was serious. I do think actually acting out how he wanted to do it, explaining he'd use his right arm for more force was an effort on his part to intimidate Jamie. This can be explained also as "playing the game." Both are wrong in my book. I still think Eddie's got a bright future ahead of him and will do many things with his life. I just hope he learns to stop making hateful statements. Immaturity still isn't an explanation to me. Jamie and Josh are very close in age and don't talk like that.

Skw

Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 04:13 pm Click here to edit this post

Thanks for the info. It was bugging me so much.
You know what's so great about tense moments?
It leaves the door open for greater laughter
I just came off a VERY intense discussion about,
Mega and race realations
(which btw I think got completely deleted because the pot was about to boil over and I apparently put the thing on highest heat. -Apologies to the moderator. That's the way I argue, intelligent but sometimes very sharp, Nothing personal Chris, it's your COMMENT that angered me)
and I read George's comment and started to bust out laughing, which I think is fitting considering his penchant for laughing in uncomfortable situations.

As offended as I wanted to be, I couldn't help it.

I have this image in my head of George hiding all
6 million people under the rug!

"George we know you're hiding millions of gypsies, gays, communists and Jews in there"

" Nope, just the chicken man. I'm the only one in dis dar house. "

"Then who are all those people under there?"

"Oops, ya got me"--<nervous laughter>

Sorry, I mean no offense. I give love to all of those who are survivors or are close/share an ancestry with one.

When I reread that comment, it reminds how much education we still need.

All you can do is try to shed light on the truth when the opportunity presents itself.