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Karuuna
Member
08-31-2000
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 10:36 am
Actually, the only thing that really bugs me about Proud to be an American is that line: "And I won't forget the MEN who died, who gave that right to me." Gets my dander up every time. 
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Meli456
Member
05-01-2003
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 12:03 pm
Patriotic songs are a matter of perception. The language of "Independence Day" obviously parallels the American Revolution. Freedom from tyranny is a common theme across the political spectrum and in our private lives, as some have mentioned here. I happen to think the song "American Idiot" is an incredibly patriotic and brave effort. Don't wanna be an American idiot. Don't want a nation under the new media. And can you hear the sound of hysteria? The subliminal mind**** America. Link to the rest of the lyrics Karuuna - DH and I were making up new lyrics to that song this morning. I won't post them though, I got my butt flamed enough last night. 
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 12:04 pm
Well if you're someone like me whose fond memories of my pre-marriage days was HUGE with Southern Rock - Bo could either win you on singing it or lose you. Unfortunately for me, his versions never quite won me because I hold the originals so dear. I will say I did love seeing him sing with Lyndryd Skynyrd at the finale and thought he sounded good with them. My thing about a rocker is this - I don't think unless they break out on their own and make solo recordings, you become a "star" in your own right, when it's the whole package of the band with you that makes people love your music. There are exceptions if you happen to be a fantastic guitar player - Clapton, Eddie Van Halen, etc., and of course there was Jim Morrison whose voice was just haunting (yes I only mentioned a few!) and some of it could be - we were young and even if listening back maybe their voices weren't as excellent as we thought, there are things from our youth we hold dear and no one will ever convince us they weren't as good as we always thought they were! Oh yeah.. the other group exception - The Beatles.. but who else do you remember ALL of the band members from? The Monkees? heh heh..a whole 'nother thing if you ask me, but I digress. If I pick my mind hard enough I can tell you ALL of the guys who were once in the Stones, but they're not the ones I think of when I think of the Stones. And if Mick baby didn't have a good band behind him and a gimmick........ OY....... can you imagine his singing getting picked apart on a SINGING competition? I don't even want to think about that...... LOL And yeah, he grossed me out too back in the late 70s on SNL when he licked Keith Richards face and they sounded like the worse garage band I'd ever heard. LOL ewwwwww.... but the man can dance...thinking of him and Bowie on MTV singing "Dancing in the Streets" or him on stage with Tina Turner during Live Aid. Those were the days.. my friends..... LOL showing my age bigtime here.
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 12:12 pm
How about I won't forget the ONES who died and gave that right to me?
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 12:16 pm
I hear ya Escapee.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 12:27 pm
How about "I won't forget the ones who died (more than 99% of which were men) that gave that right to me" <Now ducking and running for cover - like a man> By the way, if anyone cares, I don't know for a fact that more than 99% were men - it's just a lame attempt to make a point using humor.
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Jbean
Member
01-05-2002
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 5:46 pm
bonza, kelly wasn't on because she was on tour. i believe fantasia is, too. i seen that fantasia is touring with someone named kem? i looked on the metrotix site to try to find out when i could get kelly tickets at the venue she'll be at in st louis, and saw an ad for fantasia and kem. i believe it's in june. so that might be where she is. as for ruben, i have no idea.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 5:48 pm
I don't think people are limited to songs that fit their autobiography, right? Like I assume Rabbit's daughter must have sung "I'm a Little Teapot".. yet she's undoubtedly not a teapot and had no handle or spout.. short and stout, no idea..
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 6:14 pm
Bo's single CD will be out on June 21st. The "A" side will be "Vehicle" and the "B" side will be "Inside Your Heaven". Carrie's single CD will be out on June 14th. Her "A" side will be "Inside Your Heaven" and her "B" side will be "Independence Day". LINK to Bo's LINK to Carrie's
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 6:15 pm
Thanks, Jbean - I honestly didn't expect to see Kelly there. I hope you get tickets to see her in St. Louis!
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 6:56 pm
i always think of 'the men who died...' as 'mankind' and automatically mentally include women. and i never sang 'i'm a little teapot' when i taught preschool because i am short and round and it was too personal! LOL what's funny is my school was called the itty bitty club and half the kids thought i lived at the school and thought my name was 'itty bitty'. one kid used to bite and his mom always wrote the check out to 'ity bity club'...i always laughed inside, but it's just that she spelled the name wrong; she wasn't warning me about little teddy! i saw her the other day with little teddy who is graduating high school next week and finally told her she had spelled itty bitty as ity bity and she laughed so hard. little teddy just smiled and told me he no longer bites.....
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 6:57 pm
Ruben is in the studio recording right now .. "Return of the Velvet Teddy Bear"
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 7:36 pm
Those are good points Tabbyking and also cute stories. I agree with those who say that a person doesn’t have to have actually lived something to sing about it and bring passion and feeling to the song and sing it with empathy. Nice to hear that Ruben is back at it!
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 11:49 pm
Whew, it sure took a long time for people to respond directly to my original post, saying Carrie had pandered. Beachcomber was the first to define the problem: "The song Independence Day does not have anything to do with patriotic politics. It may have a catchy chorus, but it is sadly about child abuse and the child's "independence day" when she kills the father by burning the house. Read the lyrics <el>. http://www.songlyrics.com/song-lyrics/Mcbride_Martina/The_Way_That_I_Am/Independence_Day/134439.html" My point was, that although this song is about abuse, horrific trauma, and horrid events, Sean Hannity uses it as his theme song, like it's some kind of freaking uplifting patriotic anthem, and the people who listen to him, think they are listening to something equivalent to America The Beautiful. Thank you to the person above who posted the actual lyrics. That Hannity would use a song that is about such perversion as his "mantra", makes me sick. <el> All they hear is INDEPENDENCE DAY and LET FREEDOM RING. <el> That is what I am so angry about. Carrie knew what she was doing. She knew the <el> had no idea what the song was really about, and she pandered to them. Shame on her.
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Rabbit
Member
08-12-2001
| Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 3:30 am
No Seamonkey, my daughter is neither short or stout, but when she performed that song she really sold it. You really believed she was a teapot. But seriously, please don't deny me the right to be uncomfortable if MY daughter chose to sing a song about killing her abusive father. When I sing about her, she is the end of the rainbow and my pot of gold, I would hope she would want to sing about what a great dad she has or sing about a different subject. After all, I still haven’t signed the check for her upcoming fancy pancy frigger frack’n frilly ass overblown 15 feet off the length of my new boat wedding. I have no problem with Carrie singing this song, she is not my daughter. I quite specifically stated a preference that MY daughter would not pick such a song. Sunrvrose, I respectfully disagree. I have seen nothing to make me think Carrie has the manipulative political savvy of Karl Rove. I think she picked a song that she felt sounded good like Macarthur Park, meaning of the lyrics having no great consequence.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 4:03 am
Rabbit!! Oh god, that is hysterical.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 4:22 am
Maybe the problem is Sean Hannity and watching his show, not Carrie singing a Martina McBride song. Not having seen his show, I was totally unaware that Carrie was pandering.
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Heyltslori
Member
09-15-2001
| Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 5:44 am
Just to set the record straight, Independence Day is actually about a WOMAN who is abused by her husband. Not child abuse. The child knows about the abuse, and is obviously affected, but it's the woman being abused. If you watch Martina's video of the song, you clearly see that the husband abuses the wife, and the wife, feeling as if she has no way out of a horrible situation, sets the house on fire with herself in it. Her "Independence Day" from the abusive situation. The daughter comes home to find the house in flames.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 6:03 am
cheery little ditty, isn't it? LOL this reminds me of a conversation I had with my son. I have a rule that if I think a song is objectionable, they have to read me the lyrics. If they aren't too embarrassed to say the objectionable words to me, then I will let them listen to the song. My son was trying to explain one time that this was a silly rule cause 'hey mom, we don't listen to the lyrics anyway, it's just the tune that matters.'
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Landi
Member
07-29-2002
| Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 6:36 am
as for carrie picking this song, she was not picking the song based on any of this. she has sung 4 martina mcbride BIG BELTERS for her choices. she was using the songs to show off her voice, it's the kind of music she listens to (obviously), and i don't think she was looking at the lyrics in any way shape or fashion. martina sings these songs based on her beliefs, but if you are a country singer with a big voice, you sing martina's songs. she knows how to use the big voice she has. also it seems, so does carrie.
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 7:16 am
Regarding Carrie's song choices, last night on Larry King, she said the most thought she gave to song selection was if she'd done two slow songs in a row, it was time to choose something up-tempo. It just doesn't seem to be in her nature to have been calculating beyond that.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 7:32 am
I'm with Landi and The Bonz on this one. Carrie was singing the song because it showcased her voice. And if you are a country singer and are going to belt out a song - Martina is the singer of choice. Just as the divas belt out Celine or Whitney to showcase their voices. Nothing more and nothing less. Y'all are reading way too much political stuff into Carrie's song choice. (And its a known fact that Sean Hannity loves country music - this is not a Republican conspiracy - its American Idol). << Lexie rolls her eyes>>
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 7:39 am
sitting next to Lexie rolling my eyes big time too.....
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 8:11 am
I agree with Landi, after having seen her last night, she pretty much seems as she is. She doesnt seem to have a calculating bone in her body. I also think that they were not the ones selecting the songs, there are only so many songs that they have access too and I seem to recall someone early on saying they were given a list of songs to pick from. To me the most calculating performer of all was Constantine, everything with him was an act.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 8:35 am
To me the most calculating performer of all was Constantine, everything with him was an act. Amen!
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