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Meli456
Member
05-01-2003
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 6:41 pm
Jimmer -- As a musical theatre veteran and singer (with much less natural talent than Carrie), IMO a pleasant vocal tone is boring without having the ability to use the voice to tell a story. A good portion of singing effectively is acting and expression. Simon was right when he said Carrie was too robotic and I give her credit for overcoming that during the finale. Wasn't it her that Clive Davis advised not to sing a sad song and smile through the whole thing? Hamster-- You're right about the chorus being misleading. I just got off the phone with my mom and she thought the song was about the 4th of July. It's not politics or democracy or party lines that some of us are hearing though... <dh> Please understand that some of us aren't Martina McBride fans and we only have Carrie's interpretation to base opinions on. For example, I absolutely loved Bo's rendition of "Corner of the Sky" from the musical Pippin, only to come here and find everybody else thought it bombed. It was the best version of that song I've ever heard, but my impression from reading the boards afterwards was that I was the only one who ever heard it to begin with. I'm not mad with Carrie for singing that song, especially after they showed she sang it three times already. She's probably TOO comfortable singing that song and oversells it, thereby losing the meaning in the delivery.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 6:54 pm
One thing that I really liked about Carrie was the way she seemed to grow as the competition progressed, to the point where she was starting to show some emotional interpretation (e.g. her performance of "Crying"). Now this is kind of unfair to Bo who was a polished experienced performer to begin with and therefore had less growth potential, but isn't growth part of what makes AI fun to watch?
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Rabbit
Member
08-12-2001
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 7:13 pm
I think this is the best AI season ever, even though my 3 favorites finished second, sixth, and eighth. I am a big Bo fan and in fact he is my favorite AI contestant ever but I don't think the contest was fixed. Carrie deserved to win because she got the most votes, no cry of foul from me. She has been in the the top 2 in the AOL, MSNBC and countless other polls all season long. What is so great about this season is they had so many people who were excellent at different things. We had 3 divas, two of them male. Two country singing blondes. Two good R & B singers. A Southern Rocker and a Svengalish entertainer. I can honestly say that even though the selected winner was fairly selected that I would prefer to listen to 6 of the lower finishers perform, not because they are more talented than the winner but because they are all excellent performers of styles of music that I personally prefer to the winners genre. The bottom 5 were Jessica, Anwar, Nikko, Nadia, and Constantine. Imagine if those five had been in last seasons group how high they would have finished. Congrats to Carrie and her fans. Best wishes to all the contestants, it was fun to watch on the show on TV and on the board.
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Cathie
Member
08-16-2000
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 7:59 pm
Simon was right when he said Carrie was too robotic and I give her credit for overcoming that during the finale. Wasn't it her that Clive Davis advised not to sing a sad song and smile through the whole thing? Meli456, it was Vonzell that Clive said that to.
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Cathie
Member
08-16-2000
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:06 pm
ITA with those who said it was totally appropriate for Carrie to sing Independence Day. I read Sunrvrose's post last night and was baffled by her comments. RSlover, I had a frightening experience when I went to your link "Why Carrie Won." On the right side of the web page they advertised a CD by Carmen Rasmusen--yikes!!! 
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:18 pm
someone posted: I would have been happy either way. Still rather disgusted that more people......way more people voted for AI than for President. yes, but for president you only get to vote once, not multiple times. well, except for florida.
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Zachsmom
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:27 pm
"Independence Day" is NOT a political song. It's the story of a young girl whose mother burned down th house with the girls daddy in it, who was abusing the mother! It just so happens that this event happened on the 4th of July! I am sure other women, like me, who have been in abusive relationships can identify with the song. Well she seemed all right by dawn's early light though she looked a little worried and weak. She tried to pretend he wasn't drinkin' again but daddy'd left the proof on her cheek. And i was only eight years old that summer and i always seemed to be in the way so i took myself down to the fair in town on Independence Day. Well,word gets around in a small,small town they said he was a dangerous man but mama was proud and she stood her ground but she knew she was on the losin' end. Some folks whispered and some folks talked but everybody looked the other way and when time ran out there was no one about on Independence Day. Let freedom ring,let the white dove sing let the whole world know that today is a day of reckoning. Let the weak be strong,let the right be wrong roll the stone away,let the guilty pay it's Independence Day. Well,she lit up the sky that fourth of july by the time that the firemen come they just put out the flames and took down some names and send me to the county home. Now i ain't sayin' it's right or it's wrong but maybe it's the only way. Talk about your revolution it's Independence Day
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:32 pm
Meli I loved "Corner of the Sky" too! It was one of my favorite performances of his. I thought I was the only one, lol..
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Jbean
Member
01-05-2002
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:38 pm
zmom, i'm so glad you posted the lyrics to independence day, i wanted to really badly, but was scared to...LOL, but seriously.
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Max
Member
08-12-2000
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:41 pm
My empowerment song when I left my emotionally-abusive ex was "Watch me" by Lorrie Morgan. It always seemed like that song was written about me. Songs can be amazingly powerful. 
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Meli456
Member
05-01-2003
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:02 pm
Songs can be extremely powerful and moving, and open to interpretation. That's part of the reason why it bothers me to hear "Proud to be an American" everywhere I go -- it loses its meaning after the millionth and oneth time. Zachsmom, thanks for posting the lyrics. Not being familiar with the song I didn't remember the lyrics but really is a lovely song on paper. I must have been watching Carrie bounce and trying to predict when she would go into superbounce mode and not listening to the words enough! LOL LOL At Tabbyking too! Cathie, you're right I remember now. Vonzell looks so much prettier when she smiles though. Buggles, woohoo!! "Corner of the Sky" and "Time in a Bottle" are probably the only two Bo singles I would spend money on.
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Zachsmom
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:26 pm
I don't think I have ever heard that one Max. One of mine was/is Garth Brooks She's gonna make it not the entire song, just this verse (after I got some of my self esteem that had been ripped to shreds back) She's gonna make it And he never will He's at the foot of that mountain She's over that hill He's sinkin' at sea And her sails are filled She's gonna make it And he never will As for the finale? I fell asleep early and didn't watch it. After Anthony was voted off I really didn't care who won. Thoughout the season I wanted an Anthony/Vonzell finale, as their voices are the ones that lifted me up. Anthony gave me goosebumps whenever he sang. Like Jennifer Hudson did last year. Out of the two, I will say that I did prefer Carrie to Bo. Just my taste in music. I never have been a 'rock n roller'. I am an easy listening kinda gal. I am probably the only person over the age of 13 who will admit loving the Backstreet Boys and blare their CD in my car with the sunroof open and singing at the top of my lungs. LOL
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:30 pm
I love to hear Proud To Be An American over and over again.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:38 pm
I do, too, Rosie
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Meli456
Member
05-01-2003
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:38 pm
LOL Rosie!! Edit: Since we're talking about Garth Brooks, this song allllllllways makes me cry. I didn't know Kelly Clarkson recorded this! I might have to search out her version. MY favorite country song: To make you feel my love When the rain is blowing in your face And the whole world is on your case I would offer you a warm embrace To make you feel my love When evening shadows and the stars appear And there is no one to dry your tears I could hold you for a million years To make you feel my love I know you haven't made your mind up yet I would never do you wrong I've known it from the moment that we met There's no doubt in my mind where you belong I'd go hungry, I'd go black and blue I'd go crawling down the avenue There ain't nothing that I wouldn't do To make you feel my love Oohhhh ohhohh The storms of rage are rolling wild and free Down that highway of regret The wind of change is blowing wild and free But you aint seen nothing like me yet There aint nothing that I wouldn't do Go to the end of the earth for you Make you happy make your dreams come true To make you feel my love To make you feel my love

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Jbean
Member
01-05-2002
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:07 pm
well, i'm glad you guys explained the meaning behind the political thing with independence day. i'm one of those people who listens to song lyrics....i love story-telling songs, and the first time i heard independence day, i loved it. the patriotic thing never even crossed my mind. i was really shocked by sun's post. thanks for the explanation.
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Cathie
Member
08-16-2000
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:22 pm
When Carrie sang Sin Wagon from the Dixie Chicks a few weeks ago my sister and I were wishing she had dared to sing their Goodbye, Earl...although I don't think it would have gone over well on AI. Goodbye, Earl Mary anne and wanda were the best of friends All through their high school days Both members of the 4h club Both active in the ffa After graduation mary anne went out lookin’ For a bright new world Wanda looked all around this town And all she found was earl Well it wasn’t two weeks After she got married that Wanda started gettin’ abused She put on dark glasses and long sleeved blouses And make-up to cover a bruise Well she finally got the nerve to file for divorce She let the law take it from there But earl walked right through that restraining order And put her in intensive care Right away mary anne flew in from atalnta On a red eye midnight flight She held wanda’s hand as they Worked out a plan And it didn’t take long to decide That earl had to die Goodbye earl Those black-eyed peas They tasted all right to me earl You’re feeling weak Why don’t you lay down And sleep earl Ain’t it dark Wrapped up in that tarp earl The cops came to bring earl in They searched the house High and low Then they tipped their hats And said ’thank you ladies If you hear from him let us know’ Well the weeks went by and Spring turned to summer And summer faded into fall And it turns out he was a missing person Who nobody missed al all So the girls bought some land And a roadside stand Out on highway 109 They sell tennessee ham And strawberry jam And they don’t Lose any sleep at night ’cause Earl had to die Goodbye earl We need a break Let’s go out to the lake earl We’ll pack a lunch And stuff you in the trunk earl Well is that all right Good let’s go for a ride Earl hey It reminds me of the BBQ scene in Fried Green Tomatoes.
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 11:19 pm
Correct or not, I always did like Goodbye, Earl And I missed the final singing show and the final results show as well.
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Max
Member
08-12-2000
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 12:04 am
Here's the Lorrie Morgan lyrics. There are several variations posted on the web, but this is the way I hear it. Watch Me The more I needed the less you gave I guess you thought that it worked that way You never would listen And now that I'm leaving You might be believing a word I say Oh if you think I won't go Just watch me Watch me prove you wrong today You don't even know you lost me You think I'll always stay Oh just watch me walk away Don't tell me that it can't be done That the world is colder without someone Yeah, it might get lonely, it might get crazy But this time baby I'm good as gone Oh if you think I won't go Just watch me Watch me prove you wrong today You don't even know you lost me You think I'll always stay Oh just watch me walk away Cab on the street Hand on the door Bag at my feet Need I say more You don't even know you lost me Think I'll always stay Oh watch me walk away Oh Watch me walk away. Oh if you think I won't go Just watch me Watch me prove you wrong today You don't even know you lost me You think I'll always stay Oh just watch me walk away
I always liked Goodbye Earl, too, although it is a bit extreme, I can understand the feelings. Same with Aerosmith's Janey's Got a Gun.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 6:06 am
Okay, I can't resist - what is wrong with singing a song that celebrates our country anyway?
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Escapee
Member
06-15-2004
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 7:12 am
Although Goodbye Earl might not be the lyrical and harmonial song fit for Carrie's voice, I would have voted 5000 times if she would have sang it. Although, i love sin wagon. It was my Anthem after my bad relationship ended with ex from hell. I lived that song through and through. Whenever my friend and I get in her convertible mustange, we drop the top and crank that song up. It's the jilted ex anthem for women. Sin Wagon He pushed me ’round Now I’m drawin’ the line He lived his life Now I’m gonna go live mine I’m sick of wastin’ my time Well now I’ve been good for way too long Found my red dress and I’m gonna throw it on ’bout to get too far gone Praise the lord and pass the ammunition Need a little but more of my tweleve ounce nutrition One more helpin’ of what I’ve been havin’ I’m takin’ my turn on the sin wagon On a mission to make something happen Feel like delilah lookin’ for samson Do a little mattress dancin’ That’s right I said mattress dancin’ Praise the lord and pass the ammunition Need a little bit more Of what I’ve been missin’ I don’t know where I’ll be crashin’ But I’m arrivin’ on a sin wagon When it’s my turn to march up to old glory I’m gonna have one hell of a story That’s if he forgives me Praise the lord and pass the ammunition Need a little bit more of that sweet salvation They may take me With my feel draggin’ But I’ll fly away on a sin wagon I’ll fly away on a sin wagon
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 7:45 am
I personally don’t think there is anything wrong with singing a song that celebrates good things about one’s country. The funny thing is though that because they don’t listen to the lyrics, many people consider certain songs to be patriotic when in fact they are not remotely patriotic (one good example I mentioned earlier is "Born in the USA" and of course "Independence Day"). I think the reason that some people don’t like to hear these songs on AI is because they feel that it is pandering to the voters – that people will vote based on the song rather than the performance. There may be an element of truth to that but it only goes so far – if it’s badly sung, it won’t get votes. Speaking of songs that we find touching, I like Martina McBride’s "In My Daughter’s Eyes", though that would hardly be an appropriate song choice for most AI singers (who don’t have daughters).
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 8:06 am
But aren't most songs aimed to "pander" to an audience? Bo undoubtedly knew that there was a faction of people who would absolutely go into total spazz mode (me included in that group) when he sang the song acapella. I have never heard that song before but it has become a favorite of mine now just because of the way he did it...he sang a song at one time because it was a favorite of his aunt's - he sang another song because his Mother liked it - great songs elicit great emotions if sung properly.
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Rabbit
Member
08-12-2001
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 8:46 am
Oh boy, yet another another area of TVCH I get to wear my spiffy "I have never struck, harassed or abused a women in my life" button on my forehead. Looks good on me. If my daughter sang "Independence Day" on national TV that would sure be a shining moment for me. Oh, by the way, "I have never struck, harassed or abused a women in my life." Carry on.
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Bonzacat
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, May 27, 2005 - 10:34 am
I just read (in a not-so-good finale review at mediafiends.com) that Kelly, Ruben & Fantasia were not at the finale due to scheduling conflicts. While I never expected that Kelly Clarkson would attend, I was totally surprised that Ruben & especially Fantasia were not there. And I don't believe it could have been an "otherwise engaged" situaton. Anyone know anything about Ruben & Fantasia?
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