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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 7:56 pm
AS pointed out above, Clay really loves what he is doing. But to be serious, I hope no one is too put out about this photo. It was obviously staged and we don't know, and I don't think we will ever know what the backstory is. I do know that this is the 3rd of 3 pictures taken in rapid succession and in the previous photo he has his arms around her. She also looks like she is in on this because of her pointing and because she loaded it on her site. So obviously this is something she wanted. SO I think we can mark this up to a 25 year old man who used poor judgement once. Is this more offensive than Kim's pantsing of Clay? I mean she took down his pants and his underwear to the ground and he seemed to have survived that, or that Clay had Kim change her Tee-shirt, she was in the same dressing room with him, so I guess he saw her in her underwear (according to some posters on some Clay site - on the AI tour. ) I don't think he ever thought this would get out or he would have never been involved. You know these theater people, no sense of personal space. (At least some of them) Here is one of the other pictures Now it was hidden in the index and someone happened on it by accident in a way we all might have (long story). She posted the location and in 5 minutes this picture was all over the net. Beautiful
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Kittystj
Member
08-10-2001
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 9:20 am
I must admit I was upset at first to think that Clay would put the picture out on the Net. but I reaslise, Sadiesmom, that it probably was not neaant to be all over the net. Thanks for your sensible words.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 11:43 am
Clay just keeps getting better looking, it is nice to see a good guy make it! Good for him
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Cassie
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 12:41 pm
I just love the picture above. Hubba bubba...he's SO good-looking.
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 3:02 pm
OK, it has been announced by GoodBabyBrush that the fall out from Clay changing mamagement companies has resulted in his being pulled from a performance on thefinale to being the host of Fantasia's finale party, he is not happy. GGB is a trusted poster and has never posted incorrect information. No performance, basically doing about 3 or 4 minutes that the weatherman did for him last year. Only this party is not organized by the fans, but by AI. Just wanted you to know so you don't look for a performance and because this is another example of the way 19 treats people. No wonder Ruben told the Canadians to 'read the fine print'. In comparison, Diana's party is organized by her fans in her church and Kim Caldwell will be the hostess.
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Idolworship
Member
05-07-2003
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 3:39 pm
Sadiesmom, what's "GoodBabyBrush?" I tried .com, and .net, with no results.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 3:42 pm
it was my understanding that Mr. Aiken took on *additional* management because he wants to act, but that 19E still represents him for everything else (i.e., singing and other bookings). Is that incorrect?
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 4:55 pm
Idolworship, GoodBabyBrush is a poster who posts at the Clackhouse and RHT. She has connections I will copy what she posted "A little more information about Clay's placement on the AI Finale... I thought about making this one a hypothetical, but who are we kidding? *g* Try not to get too inflamed (no storming 19 with torches or anything. What's done is done). Just thought you'd want to know the skinny. Bottom line, Clay was apparently scheduled to perform on the AI finale, but when he changed management 19E changed its mind. They said they only wanted to feature "the winners" on the finale. He was then given the Greensboro hosting gig (not his choice). The hope is that they'll draw an even bigger crowd for Fantasia than he got last year for RBC. He won't be singing." Tishla, Clay no longer has any dealings with 19M (management) after this week, But he is still beholden to 19R (records) and 19E (entertainment). The split was apparently not pleasant. 19M takes from 30 to 50% of the idols earnings as a management firm and requirtes them to work with all the other 19's. The tour merchandise was handeled by 19Merchandise and the writers on MOAM were all from 19's stable of writers. This should take the sting out of this though AMERICA’S PROMISE TO OUR YOUTH A Gala Celebration Wednesday, June 16, 2004 Featuring Clay Aiken and The Duke Ellington School of Arts Chorus Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center 1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. Reception: 6:30 p.m. Dinner: 7:30 p.m. Program and Entertainment: 8:30 p.m. Attire: Black Tie Optional Please join us as America’s Promise presents a gala evening honoring Members of the United States Congress: The Honorable Ted Kennedy The Honorable Deborah Pryce The Honorable Ted Stevens The Honorable Harold Ford The Honorable Hillary Rodham Clinton The Honorable Tom Osborne This gala celebration will be a memorable evening that pays tribute to six members of the United States Congress for their commitment to America’s youth and will recognize six young people from the honorees’ home states who exemplify how receiving the Five Promises has made a real difference in their lives."
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Crossfire
Member
08-07-2001
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 5:07 pm
This all sounds par for the course to me. The music industry is a notoriously tough environment. It probably applies to the entire entertainment industry, but the stories I've read with respect to musicians are unreal. The last person to ever make a cent with them, is the talent, if ever.
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 5:59 pm
Actually 19 is reportedly worse than normal. I don't believe many agents take over 25%. The 30-50% is just for the management fee. Besides 19's Management cut, is RCA and 19R's cut of the music, the 19 merchandises cut of the merchandise. We have no idea of what percent they get, but I am sure it is higher than usual. The record contract is supposed (no great gossip on this, just some hearsay) to be for 5 records. No knowledge at all of the merchandise contract, opefully that goes away, but that fee is in addition to the management fee. Ruben has complained about it obliquely, as has Ryan Malcolm. They can't say anything outright because there is a 5 million penalty clause that they cannot reveal anything about their dealings. The 'rumor' is also that this treatment and the current verbal trashing by Randy and Simon on entertainment shows is a shot accross the bow for Kelly and Rubin, should they think of leaving. I think their contracts are for 3-7 years.
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Crossfire
Member
08-07-2001
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 6:23 pm
That's sad to hear in an industry where 'normal' is lots of money and control for everyone but the entertainer. Better off shuffling paper in a cubicle if your ego can stand it. At least you don't end an honest days work owing the boss money.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 6:33 pm
I hope he comes through this okay. I want him to be around a long time. (Hi Crossfire! Long time since I have crossed paths with you! I am still waiting for you to put a picture of that Atari shirt in your profile! )
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 6:50 pm
I hate being the last person to post and having my name show. Someone, anyone, get in here and post! LOL!
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Crossfire
Member
08-07-2001
| Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 7:06 pm
Hehehe, Hi Hermione. I'll save you. One last post on the music biz. Here is an article with some working numbers in it, and a nice little story about the industry by someone who's in it. Fair warning, there is some salty language in it. The Problem With Music This is where we are sending our 'Idols', except I suspect, on a grander scale.
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Jbean
Member
01-05-2002
| Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 12:37 pm

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Jbean
Member
01-05-2002
| Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 12:37 pm

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Jbean
Member
01-05-2002
| Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 12:38 pm

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Jbean
Member
01-05-2002
| Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 12:38 pm

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Jbean
Member
01-05-2002
| Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 12:39 pm

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Jbean
Member
01-05-2002
| Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 12:39 pm
a few concert pics from the best concert ever! 
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 3:34 pm
Great pics, thx for sharing!
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Mak1
Member
08-12-2002
| Sunday, May 30, 2004 - 3:52 pm
Thanks, Jbean!!
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 7:53 am
FYi Clay's sales this week were 8885 chart position 126.
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Kittystj
Member
08-10-2001
| Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 3:43 pm
Love the pictures. Thanks JBean. What concert was that??
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Texasdeb
Member
05-23-2003
| Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 6:16 pm
I took my "Clay" music to the office & have been playing it off & on since Tues. I've been asked by co-workers who aren't AI fans (in the middle of normal work conversation) "is that the radio or are you playing a cd". I say "I'm playing one of my Clay cds - do you like it?" "YES" is what everyone says & then they want to know more about my music hero - so, of course I tell all. One co-worker asked me "does his voice always sound so pure like that?" I said "ALWAYS"! She said "What's this guy's name again". I told her. "That is the next CD I buy" & she walked out of my office. IMO Clay is the best the music industry has given us in a long time. I say power to the sources though because we wouldn't have had him (yet) without them. Let them get their deserved "finder's fee". Clay will be around long after his affiliation with them.
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