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Mak1
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08-12-2002

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 7:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mak1 a private message Print Post    
I wonder if he inherited the vocal talent, too? That would be fantastic! I guess time will tell. I like Clay's haircut much better than the long style he was sporting recently.

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 3:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
That is one cute baby! But then, aren't they all?

Clay is gay? Next I suppose they'll be telling us Lance Bass is, too. Oh wait . . .

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 5:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
so how do his die hard fans feel? I know there are some that got pissed when you would insinuate he might be gay.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 6:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Pamy...my mother is pissed. LOL
I've been telling her to expect to hear it one day and she fought me tooth and nail on the very idea of it.
Now, she feels like he could have just been honest all along.
She is a die hard fan, knew him from before he went on AI and worked with the same church group he worked with.
She feels he lied to them.
I don't think she's die hard anymore...but only because he lied straight up to them when they talked to him about it.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 7:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I adore Clay and I could care less about who he loves. I think being involved in the "born again" community and churches, he probably felt a lot of risk in coming out and I applaud him for finally doing it. We all know there are many more who continue to deny and with some of the prejudices against them, who can blame them.

I'm just glad to see Clay on magazines and TV again! Now if he would just tour!

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 7:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Bee and Brenda,Thx for the info from your perspectives. I agree it doesnt matter if he is or not.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 7:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Brenda...don't forget that it was actually Rosie O'Donnell who "outed" Clay quite some time ago. I guess maybe she didn't think about the prejudices he might face?

I have no problem with his sexual preference. And I don't think my mother really does either. For her, it's that he lied to a small group of people who actually were ready to stand up for him and support him. They have been supporting him for all this time...and have now, thru a magazine cover, found that he chose to be dishonest with them. That's what it is for her.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 8:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I can understand their feelings of betrayal, but sometimes there are just personal questions I don't think are fair to ask of people and sexual preference is one of them. That's very personal and I don't feel people have to answer that. So, I think people even asking that of him put him in an unfair position.

I remember when I announced to a friend that I was pregnant. She was actually mad/annoyed with me that I didn't tell her I was trying to have a baby. I honestly couldn't beleive that! It was really none of her business. That was my private business and not something I wanted to share until I was good and ready. Clay's issue is even grander. I understand Clay's friends feeling hurt, like Clay didn't trust them enough, but I think they need to get over it and realize it's not about them. JMHO.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 8:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Oh, and Rosie has a big mouth. :-)

Really, were there Clay fans that didn't already know he's gay? Talk about denial. LOL.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 8:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Brenda...they didn't actually ask that of him. They told him they had heard the rumours and wanted him to know that if it was true, they were there for him. He adamently denied that he was gay and said something along the lines that they would be the first to know, and he appreciated their support and yada yada.
It's not like they pinned him against a wall and said: Is you is or is you isn't?? They wanted him to know that it really didn't matter to them. HE told them he wasn't, never would be, and so on.

I think that's why she's pissed. And no longer a die hard. She believed him.

And yes, Rosie has a big mouth. And yes, there were fans that didn't know...fans that didn't even think about it.

I wonder if Rosie ever got called on the carpet for that? She should have been. I remember just gasping when she said that and thinking that if I was Clay, or someone close to him, I would have been fuming with anger.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 9:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree and since neither of us were there there's no way to know exactly what was said. Perhaps Clay felt cornered. Perhaps at that time he never, ever intended to come out and that changed now that he has a child he never thought he'd have. I still think it was unfair for them to even say "if you're gay, we support you". Not fair to even go there and make him formulate a response. Maybe at that time he still wasn't even certain about himself, or maybe in denial. All of his religious exposure probably made it very difficult for him to accept this of himself. He may not have been ready yet. I just think it's pretty sad that people would turn on him because they weren't in the know, like they had some right to know, just because they were friends or at the same church or in the same social circle. I just don't think they had that right.

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 9:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
That's fine. I can agree to disagree, no problem.

But I just would like you to know that this was a small group, one he had spent a great deal of time with...on a personal level.
They would have no problem with his sexuality. They're not like that in a religious sense.
But they do have a problem with his lies.

And none of them have "turned on him". These are people who have known him...and his mother...since he was a young boy. They offered their support. That's all.

I'm sure he's not the least bit interested in them anymore, anyway, so it's all good.

Babyruth
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07-19-2001

Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 2:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyruth a private message Print Post    
Brenda, your post shows a lot of wisdom, insight, kindness and compassion. Thanks-

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 6:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Maybe he wasn't even sure himself. I think sometimes, especially people with strong religious convictions, you can try and convince yourself that you are NOT gay. Maybe he thought if he said he wasn't long enough that he could make it true.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 7:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
that's a good point Roxi. I hope that one day people can be whatever they want to be and no one will judge them

Mak1
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08-12-2002

Friday, September 26, 2008 - 3:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mak1 a private message Print Post    
Brenda, Clay won't be touring anytime soon. He is back on Broadway, reprising his role in Spamalot. :-)

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Friday, September 26, 2008 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Mak1, I'm hoping for something in 2009. :-)

I heard he ws back in Spamalot. A friend is in the NY area right now and I told her she should go see him.

Sadiesmom
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03-13-2002

Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 5:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sadiesmom a private message Print Post    
Actually, most boards had a rule in place that did not allow discussion of his preference because he had said in a few interviews that he ws not gay and it was considered rude to assume he lied. That and his friends were all over the internet swearing he had a girlfriend, etc. Initially they were his college friends who may not have known, but later it was people who supposedly did know, Kim Locke, Ruben and even Tyra Banks in radio and television interviews, up until last year at least.

What is done is done, just wish he did not now claim that no one was misled about this and just made bad assumptions. It makes his fans look like idiots when they were trying to believe what they were told even when they had doubts. Remember that song - Who are you going to believe - me or your lying eyes.

Babyjaxmom
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10-20-2002

Monday, September 29, 2008 - 9:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyjaxmom a private message Print Post    
Just because a person is a public figure doesn't give us (the public) the right to know everything about them. I don't care one way or the other whether Clay is gay (always suspected he was, though). It doesn't change how I feel about him. I understand why he tried to keep his private life private. It's no one's business but his own. Also, as others have said, with his religious background, he knew a lot of people would not be able to accept it. I hope the majority of the Clay Nation will still love him and accept him as the person he's always been.

Babyruth
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07-19-2001

Monday, September 29, 2008 - 11:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyruth a private message Print Post    
I'm looking forward to the day, someday, that gay people won't have to hide their sexual orientation from themselves and their loved ones in order to feel safe and accepted. Societal acceptance of people born homosexual seems improved from how it was in the previous generation, but it's still a long ways off, especially for those with any sort of religious upbringing.

Kittystj
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08-10-2001

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittystj a private message Print Post    
Sadiesmom,

I have always enjoyed your posts and the fact that you always loved Clay, always went to his shows.
I do hope rthat you are still a Clay fan. Did he really mislead us? was he embarassed to let us know.
Denying it is not misleading us, he wasn't ready for all the crap that is flying his way now.

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Sadiesmom
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03-13-2002

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 11:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sadiesmom a private message Print Post    
I never felt the right to know about an entertainers personal life or business dealings.
I am not upset at Clay but I remember soemthing but until I can find it and quote it correctley, I don't want to be specific.
I do believe that Clay deceived people, that is what being in the closet is all about and it is understandable, but I have a discomfort about one thing and until I find it, I won't be able to resolve this. Unfortunately, I have about 500 gig to look through so this is a rather daunting challenge.

I am trying to do the math to figure how how much time I have to do this search and when I will finish, maybe something like in 2015.

In the meanwhile I have 4 dates to meet people for dinner and spamalot, I think that will be enough for now. This spring I would meet people who decided to go the last minute as they flew into the area and I don't think I can deal with 18 shows this time, I already might as well get a part, I know all the lines. But I did get tickets for a few other shows and talk people into takng a night off to go to them.

Thanks for the thoughts Kittystj.

I am looking forward to getting back into the Amazing race threads soon, I have to get over some major fall cleaning projects taking up most of my days, I barely caught the show.

Babyruth
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07-19-2001

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 1:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyruth a private message Print Post    
"I do believe that Clay deceived people, that is what being in the closet is all about..."

What an interesting perspective.

Sadiesmom
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03-13-2002

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sadiesmom a private message Print Post    
I should have modified that statement with "for Clay."
OK, he entered a contest that he thought would bring him a modicum of success, but it turned out to be a barnburner and he wanted to win. I really do believe him when he said he thought of the tryouts as a free trip to Hollywood. On another board after people posted that they knew him and he was gay, some of his friends all came on and posted that was not true, it was a cycle and occurred over and over. But all those posts were deleted after a system crash.

He hadn't come out to his family and he was in the spot light, I don't think he had any choice with his fans either.

But it was funny, I want to find the exact quote, but I think he was thinking about the coming out last summer because he quizzed someone in a meet in greet about why they think they know anything about him. I thought it was curious then, and more interesting now because I believe this person had an unusual gut reaction

And there is a random video clip that I saw and can't remember where or what it said, but I can see it in my mind.

Kittystj
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08-10-2001

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 3:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kittystj a private message Print Post    
Sadiesmom,

How many times have you seen and met Clay?

Are you still a fan?