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Meli456
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05-01-2003

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 6:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meli456 a private message Print Post    
Jimmer -- As a musical theatre veteran and singer (with much less natural talent than Carrie), IMO a pleasant vocal tone is boring without having the ability to use the voice to tell a story. A good portion of singing effectively is acting and expression. Simon was right when he said Carrie was too robotic and I give her credit for overcoming that during the finale. Wasn't it her that Clive Davis advised not to sing a sad song and smile through the whole thing?

Hamster-- You're right about the chorus being misleading. I just got off the phone with my mom and she thought the song was about the 4th of July. It's not politics or democracy or party lines that some of us are hearing though... <dh>

Please understand that some of us aren't Martina McBride fans and we only have Carrie's interpretation to base opinions on. For example, I absolutely loved Bo's rendition of "Corner of the Sky" from the musical Pippin, only to come here and find everybody else thought it bombed. It was the best version of that song I've ever heard, but my impression from reading the boards afterwards was that I was the only one who ever heard it to begin with.

I'm not mad with Carrie for singing that song, especially after they showed she sang it three times already. She's probably TOO comfortable singing that song and oversells it, thereby losing the meaning in the delivery.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 6:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
One thing that I really liked about Carrie was the way she seemed to grow as the competition progressed, to the point where she was starting to show some emotional interpretation (e.g. her performance of "Crying"). Now this is kind of unfair to Bo who was a polished experienced performer to begin with and therefore had less growth potential, but isn't growth part of what makes AI fun to watch?

Rabbit
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08-12-2001

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 7:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rabbit a private message Print Post    
I think this is the best AI season ever, even though my 3 favorites finished second, sixth, and eighth.

I am a big Bo fan and in fact he is my favorite AI contestant ever but I don't think the contest was fixed. Carrie deserved to win because she got the most votes, no cry of foul from me. She has been in the the top 2 in the AOL, MSNBC and countless other polls all season long.

What is so great about this season is they had so many people who were excellent at different things. We had 3 divas, two of them male. Two country singing blondes. Two good R & B singers. A Southern Rocker and a Svengalish entertainer. I can honestly say that even though the selected winner was fairly selected that I would prefer to listen to 6 of the lower finishers perform, not because they are more talented than the winner but because they are all excellent performers of styles of music that I personally prefer to the winners genre.

The bottom 5 were Jessica, Anwar, Nikko, Nadia, and Constantine. Imagine if those five had been in last seasons group how high they would have finished.

Congrats to Carrie and her fans. Best wishes to all the contestants, it was fun to watch on the show on TV and on the board.


Cathie
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08-16-2000

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 7:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cathie a private message Print Post    
Simon was right when he said Carrie was too robotic and I give her credit for overcoming that during the finale. Wasn't it her that Clive Davis advised not to sing a sad song and smile through the whole thing?

Meli456, it was Vonzell that Clive said that to.

Cathie
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08-16-2000

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cathie a private message Print Post    
ITA with those who said it was totally appropriate for Carrie to sing Independence Day. I read Sunrvrose's post last night and was baffled by her comments.

RSlover, I had a frightening experience when I went to your link "Why Carrie Won." On the right side of the web page they advertised a CD by Carmen Rasmusen--yikes!!! :-)

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tabbyking a private message Print Post    
someone posted: I would have been happy either way. Still rather disgusted that more people......way more people voted for AI than for President.

yes, but for president you only get to vote once, not multiple times.




well, except for florida.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
"Independence Day" is NOT a political song. It's the story of a young girl whose mother burned down th house with the girls daddy in it, who was abusing the mother! It just so happens that this event happened on the 4th of July! I am sure other women, like me, who have been in abusive relationships can identify with the song.

Well she seemed all right by dawn's early light
though she looked a little worried and weak.
She tried to pretend he wasn't drinkin' again
but daddy'd left the proof on her cheek.
And i was only eight years old that summer
and i always seemed to be in the way
so i took myself down to the fair in town
on Independence Day.

Well,word gets around in a small,small town
they said he was a dangerous man
but mama was proud and she stood her ground
but she knew she was on the losin' end.
Some folks whispered and some folks talked
but everybody looked the other way
and when time ran out there was no one about
on Independence Day.

Let freedom ring,let the white dove sing
let the whole world know that today
is a day of reckoning.
Let the weak be strong,let the right be wrong
roll the stone away,let the guilty pay
it's Independence Day.

Well,she lit up the sky that fourth of july
by the time that the firemen come
they just put out the flames
and took down some names
and send me to the county home.
Now i ain't sayin' it's right or it's wrong
but maybe it's the only way.
Talk about your revolution
it's Independence Day




Buggles
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09-07-2002

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Buggles a private message Print Post    
Meli I loved "Corner of the Sky" too! It was one of my favorite performances of his. I thought I was the only one, lol..

Jbean
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01-05-2002

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jbean a private message Print Post    
zmom, i'm so glad you posted the lyrics to independence day, i wanted to really badly, but was scared to...LOL, but seriously.

Max
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08-12-2000

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 8:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
My empowerment song when I left my emotionally-abusive ex was "Watch me" by Lorrie Morgan. It always seemed like that song was written about me. Songs can be amazingly powerful. :-)

Meli456
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05-01-2003

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meli456 a private message Print Post    
Songs can be extremely powerful and moving, and open to interpretation. That's part of the reason why it bothers me to hear "Proud to be an American" everywhere I go -- it loses its meaning after the millionth and oneth time.

Zachsmom, thanks for posting the lyrics. Not being familiar with the song I didn't remember the lyrics but really is a lovely song on paper. I must have been watching Carrie bounce and trying to predict when she would go into superbounce mode and not listening to the words enough! LOL

LOL At Tabbyking too!

Cathie, you're right I remember now. Vonzell looks so much prettier when she smiles though.

Buggles, woohoo!! "Corner of the Sky" and "Time in a Bottle" are probably the only two Bo singles I would spend money on.

Zachsmom
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07-13-2000

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Zachsmom a private message Print Post    
I don't think I have ever heard that one Max.

One of mine was/is Garth Brooks She's gonna make it not the entire song, just this verse (after I got some of my self esteem that had been ripped to shreds back)

She's gonna make it
And he never will
He's at the foot of that mountain
She's over that hill
He's sinkin' at sea
And her sails are filled
She's gonna make it
And he never will


As for the finale? I fell asleep early and didn't watch it. After Anthony was voted off I really didn't care who won. Thoughout the season I wanted an Anthony/Vonzell finale, as their voices are the ones that lifted me up. Anthony gave me goosebumps whenever he sang. Like Jennifer Hudson did last year.

Out of the two, I will say that I did prefer Carrie to Bo. Just my taste in music. I never have been a 'rock n roller'. I am an easy listening kinda gal. I am probably the only person over the age of 13 who will admit loving the Backstreet Boys and blare their CD in my car with the sunroof open and singing at the top of my lungs. LOL

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
I love to hear Proud To Be An American over and over again.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
I do, too, Rosie

Meli456
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05-01-2003

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 9:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Meli456 a private message Print Post    
LOL Rosie!!

Edit: Since we're talking about Garth Brooks, this song allllllllways makes me cry. I didn't know Kelly Clarkson recorded this! I might have to search out her version. MY favorite country song:

To make you feel my love

When the rain is blowing in your face
And the whole world is on your case
I would offer you a warm embrace
To make you feel my love

When evening shadows and the stars appear
And there is no one to dry your tears
I could hold you for a million years
To make you feel my love

I know you haven't made your mind up yet
I would never do you wrong
I've known it from the moment that we met
There's no doubt in my mind where you belong

I'd go hungry, I'd go black and blue
I'd go crawling down the avenue
There ain't nothing that I wouldn't do
To make you feel my love

Oohhhh ohhohh

The storms of rage are rolling wild and free
Down that highway of regret
The wind of change is blowing wild and free
But you aint seen nothing like me yet

There aint nothing that I wouldn't do
Go to the end of the earth for you
Make you happy make your dreams come true
To make you feel my love

To make you feel my love




Jbean
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01-05-2002

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jbean a private message Print Post    
well, i'm glad you guys explained the meaning behind the political thing with independence day. i'm one of those people who listens to song lyrics....i love story-telling songs, and the first time i heard independence day, i loved it. the patriotic thing never even crossed my mind. i was really shocked by sun's post. thanks for the explanation.

Cathie
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08-16-2000

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cathie a private message Print Post    
When Carrie sang Sin Wagon from the Dixie Chicks a few weeks ago my sister and I were wishing she had dared to sing their Goodbye, Earl...although I don't think it would have gone
over well on AI.

Goodbye, Earl

Mary anne and wanda were the best of friends
All through their high school days
Both members of the 4h club
Both active in the ffa
After graduation mary anne went out lookin’
For a bright new world
Wanda looked all around this town
And all she found was earl

Well it wasn’t two weeks
After she got married that
Wanda started gettin’ abused
She put on dark glasses and long sleeved blouses
And make-up to cover a bruise
Well she finally got the nerve to file for divorce
She let the law take it from there
But earl walked right through that restraining order
And put her in intensive care

Right away mary anne flew in from atalnta
On a red eye midnight flight
She held wanda’s hand as they
Worked out a plan
And it didn’t take long to decide

That earl had to die
Goodbye earl
Those black-eyed peas
They tasted all right to me earl
You’re feeling weak
Why don’t you lay down
And sleep earl
Ain’t it dark
Wrapped up in that tarp earl

The cops came to bring earl in
They searched the house
High and low
Then they tipped their hats
And said ’thank you ladies
If you hear from him let us know’

Well the weeks went by and
Spring turned to summer
And summer faded into fall
And it turns out he was a missing person
Who nobody missed al all

So the girls bought some land
And a roadside stand
Out on highway 109
They sell tennessee ham
And strawberry jam
And they don’t
Lose any sleep at night ’cause

Earl had to die
Goodbye earl
We need a break
Let’s go out to the lake earl
We’ll pack a lunch
And stuff you in the trunk earl
Well is that all right
Good let’s go for a ride
Earl hey


It reminds me of the BBQ scene in Fried Green Tomatoes.



Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 11:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Correct or not, I always did like Goodbye, Earl

And I missed the final singing show and the final results show as well.

Max
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08-12-2000

Friday, May 27, 2005 - 12:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Max a private message Print Post    
Here's the Lorrie Morgan lyrics. There are several variations posted on the web, but this is the way I hear it. :-)

Watch Me

The more I needed the less you gave
I guess you thought that it worked that way
You never would listen
And now that I'm leaving
You might be believing a word I say

Oh if you think I won't go
Just watch me
Watch me prove you wrong today
You don't even know you lost me
You think I'll always stay
Oh just watch me walk away

Don't tell me that it can't be done
That the world is colder without someone
Yeah, it might get lonely, it might get crazy
But this time baby
I'm good as gone

Oh if you think I won't go
Just watch me
Watch me prove you wrong today
You don't even know you lost me
You think I'll always stay
Oh just watch me walk away

Cab on the street
Hand on the door
Bag at my feet
Need I say more

You don't even know you lost me
Think I'll always stay
Oh watch me walk away
Oh Watch me walk away.

Oh if you think I won't go
Just watch me
Watch me prove you wrong today
You don't even know you lost me
You think I'll always stay
Oh just watch me walk away


:-)

I always liked Goodbye Earl, too, although it is a bit extreme, I can understand the feelings. Same with Aerosmith's Janey's Got a Gun.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, May 27, 2005 - 6:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Okay, I can't resist - what is wrong with singing a song that celebrates our country anyway?



Escapee
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06-15-2004

Friday, May 27, 2005 - 7:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Escapee a private message Print Post    
Although Goodbye Earl might not be the lyrical and harmonial song fit for Carrie's voice, I would have voted 5000 times if she would have sang it.

Although, i love sin wagon. It was my Anthem after my bad relationship ended with ex from hell. I lived that song through and through. Whenever my friend and I get in her convertible mustange, we drop the top and crank that song up.

It's the jilted ex anthem for women.

Sin Wagon

He pushed me ’round
Now I’m drawin’ the line
He lived his life
Now I’m gonna go live mine
I’m sick of wastin’ my time
Well now I’ve been good for way too long
Found my red dress and I’m gonna throw it on
’bout to get too far gone

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition
Need a little but more of my tweleve ounce nutrition
One more helpin’ of what I’ve been havin’
I’m takin’ my turn on the sin wagon

On a mission to make something happen
Feel like delilah lookin’ for samson
Do a little mattress dancin’
That’s right I said mattress dancin’

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition
Need a little bit more
Of what I’ve been missin’
I don’t know where I’ll be crashin’
But I’m arrivin’ on a sin wagon

When it’s my turn to march up to old glory
I’m gonna have one hell of a story
That’s if he forgives me

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition
Need a little bit more of that sweet salvation
They may take me
With my feel draggin’
But I’ll fly away on a sin wagon

I’ll fly away on a sin wagon



Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, May 27, 2005 - 7:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I personally don’t think there is anything wrong with singing a song that celebrates good things about one’s country. The funny thing is though that because they don’t listen to the lyrics, many people consider certain songs to be patriotic when in fact they are not remotely patriotic (one good example I mentioned earlier is "Born in the USA" and of course "Independence Day").

I think the reason that some people don’t like to hear these songs on AI is because they feel that it is pandering to the voters – that people will vote based on the song rather than the performance. There may be an element of truth to that but it only goes so far – if it’s badly sung, it won’t get votes.

Speaking of songs that we find touching, I like Martina McBride’s "In My Daughter’s Eyes", though that would hardly be an appropriate song choice for most AI singers (who don’t have daughters).

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, May 27, 2005 - 8:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
But aren't most songs aimed to "pander" to an audience? Bo undoubtedly knew that there was a faction of people who would absolutely go into total spazz mode (me included in that group) when he sang the song acapella. I have never heard that song before but it has become a favorite of mine now just because of the way he did it...he sang a song at one time because it was a favorite of his aunt's - he sang another song because his Mother liked it - great songs elicit great emotions if sung properly.

Rabbit
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08-12-2001

Friday, May 27, 2005 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rabbit a private message Print Post    
Oh boy, yet another another area of TVCH I get to wear my spiffy "I have never struck, harassed or abused a women in my life" button on my forehead. Looks good on me.

If my daughter sang "Independence Day" on national TV that would sure be a shining moment for me.

Oh, by the way, "I have never struck, harassed or abused a women in my life."

Carry on.


Bonzacat
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07-08-2003

Friday, May 27, 2005 - 10:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonzacat a private message Print Post    
I just read (in a not-so-good finale review at mediafiends.com) that Kelly, Ruben & Fantasia were not at the finale due to scheduling conflicts. While I never expected that Kelly Clarkson would attend, I was totally surprised that Ruben & especially Fantasia were not there. And I don't believe it could have been an "otherwise engaged" situaton.

Anyone know anything about Ruben & Fantasia?