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Buggles
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09-07-2002
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 9:31 am
I just want to add that I think Yoanna will be a good role model in a couple of ways. First that she used to be overweight - I think that adds character & gives young girls hope that anyone has the potential to blossom Secondly her less than ideal figure... it sends a message that our imperfections aren't as 'important' as we think and that our good features can overshadow the rest 
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Lovedana
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08-03-2003
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 11:20 am
I'm afraid my post was misconstrued. I am not simply saying that Yoanna should not have won because she was once overweight, or even because of her flabby skin. My reason for disapproval is a combination of factors, including her posture, walk, you name it. The only excellence I saw in Yoanna is her face; even then, she doesn't have a unique look. So back to her weight: It disgusts me because actions such as that taken by Tyra and her crew is what makes the news about Hollywood and the fashion industry putting pressure on models to lose weight, stay thin, etc. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with losing weight and competing, and aspiring to be a model. However, when you compile all circumstances, Yoanna's case is disturbing. Losing weight the normal way is beautiful and demonstrates determination. I would have no objection if Yoanna looked like she had a healthy body, but this isn't the case. Her skin is so loose ... contrast that with other individuals I have seen lose weight and look like the normal, toned, skinny girl/woman. I am troubled with this decision because cases such as Yoanna's is what plays the stereotype about anorexia and the modelling industry. I am not affirming that Yoanna is anorexic. What I am saying is that choosing someone who has all indications of weight issues to be a "top model", in contrast with those such as Shandi and Mercedes who do not have to struggle to be or remain thin is not a wise idea. Take Kate Dillon, for instance, who accounts for the pressure to lose weight. The problem was, thinness was not her natural build. I'm afraid Yoanna is likely to have to deal with this issue and has a propensity to become anorexic, provided she isn't already. Why not pick the lady who has the look naturally? Perhaps for Yoannna personally it would have been a lose-lose situation because if she were dismissed on the basis of her flabby skin, she would construe that as meaning she was imperfect and needed to starve herself or binge. On the other hand, she wins the competition and faces the reality of being denied bookings or told she has to lose more to stay in the market. Let's be real about this whole claim that the fashion industry is driving girls to become anorexic. I mean, the job is not meant for every Jane. Would we say the sports industry is driving people to be on steroid because it gives that perfect image that is hard to achieve? Would you say that therefore they should open the market to skinny, effeminate or obese boys/men/girls/women? If you would not say that about sports, you should not say that about the fashion industry and its choice of skinny girls. Remember, we are speaking "high fashion", not "secondary market". Yoanna would do well in the secondary market such as LA and Chicago, but what, then, is the purpose of America's "top" model. Well, *shrug* it says "top", not supermodel.... Oh well, not my kind of show. (Of course this is all my opinion.)
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Realfan
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08-08-2001
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 11:39 am
YAY!!! I am SO glad Yoanna won. I think Yoanna is gorgeous, and I'm happy to see that win out over cute & spunky--or fugly, in the case of Shandi. Sorry, Shandi, but if I saw you on the street, I'd cringe at the boniness of your bod, not admire your bone structure. Her face is so average and full of flaws. Sephora would have had a fit trying to make her a cosmetics model. I would like to say I "knew" Yoanna would win when they finally stopped showing Mercedes in a perfect light, and quoted her calling Yo the B word. Then the judges--particularly Janice--was going on and on about the wonderfulness of Mercedes (she's cute and all, but so are dozens of girls). Despite these huge neon signposts, I was still nervous until the final reveal. Whooo-hooo! It's not often my fave wins one of these shows, as you One thing I really like: Tyra is always going on about the girl needing to want it, needing that fire and drive. Yoanna had that in spades, with her knowledge and interest in fashion and awareness of who people were. It's great to see that drive and determination actually rewarded, and not see them decide this is something a contestant can "learn."
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Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 12:20 pm
Sunshyne4u: As Zules pointed out, when Yoanna was asked who her favorite desinger was, she first said Marc Jacobs and then jokingly said them. Lovedana: I still don't understand why you think Yoanna has an eating disorder/weight issue. There was one episode when, during dinner, Yoanna left the table and Camille hinted she was going to purge. She had actually gone out for a cigarette. Afterward, the whole thing got sorted out. I really don't think Yoanna has an issue with her weight. When they first arrived in Milan and the designer criticized her midriff Yoanna got upset. I would have too. If I had lost 50lbs and gotten in the best shape I had ever been and it still wasn't good enough, I'd cry too.
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Madelane
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08-20-2001
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 12:29 pm
Scorpio, I just wanted to agree about the weight issue thing. First, when did the "loose skin" myth get started? The only time we saw any extra flesh was when she was squeezed into a too-small boustier and her body had nowhere to go but to the back. Then she has said many times that she needs to tone up. It sounds like she has a healthy attitude toward toning and keeping in shape. She also seems to have a healthy attitude toward food and eating healthy, and Tyra has pointed that out before. And I never noticed her teeth being transparent, or unusual in any way. You can be sure the judges would have mentioned it if they were. I think her body is cool looking, and a little different.
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Realfan
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08-08-2001
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 12:43 pm
Yoanna was interviewed by UPN New York and said she has fixed the toning problem with hard work exercising. Good for her! Nevertheless, I don't think Yoanna's runway walk and body are that big a deal--the show's contract rewards are in the print medium, not in live shows. And she nails print. She has one of those almost unreal faces that you keep staring at in fashion mag ads. Also, her fave fashion designer was Mark Jacobs. The other two girls named Betsy Johnson, who is less stylish and more "pop."
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Gina8642
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06-01-2001
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 1:06 pm
Personally I don't think Yoanna's skin is very loose. When she wore low rise jeans, the front of her belly looked just like anyone else's in this competition. I think the whole 'loose skin issue' needs be to taken only in comparison to other contestants. Yes, compared to them, her skin is loose. Compared to the ordinary 23 year old - whether she has lost weight or not - I think she'd be quite normal. I beginning to think people are comparing her to one of these weight loss stories where an entire body lift is necessary. Not even close in Yoanna's case. Slightly, more loose than the other contestants is about all that's fair in my estimation (and only slightly).
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Realfan
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08-08-2001
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 1:51 pm
Here are links to Yoanna's post-win portfolio. No question she does print like a total pro. Her pics are amazing! http://www.upn.com/shows/top_model2/episode10/photos/final_port3.jpg http://www.upn.com/shows/top_model2/episode10/photos/final_port1.jpg http://www.upn.com/shows/top_model2/episode10/photos/final_port2.jpg
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Zules
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08-21-2000
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 1:58 pm
Thanks for the links Realfan, those pictures are great!
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Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 1:59 pm
gina/ it was the skin of the BACK which was hanging out in a big roll over the edge of pants/ skirts. Loose skin on someone so young shows that they lost the weight very quickly and unnaturally. No one here has said Yoanna should have been eliminated because she was heavy in the Past. I found most of her poses throughout the season to be expressionless...almost every shot has the same look. She is not flexible, in my opinion. Mercedez on the other hand, showed subtle changes in expression. ** I have had contact with people with eating disorders. The first post I made about Yoanna in the beginning pointed out the "classic" opaque teeth...showing tons of puking so that the acid wears the surface of your teeth. Interestingly, I noticed in a recent episode that her teeth had now been "whitened" with that really BRIGHT white stuff. To me that signified that someone on staff KNEW that was going to be an issue and FIXED it.
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Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 2:00 pm
The photo with her and Tyra looks horrid. Thanks for the links, Realfan.
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Zules
Member
08-21-2000
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 2:03 pm
What did you find so horrid about it Scorpiomoon?
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 2:06 pm
Thanks for the links and they prove the points of many who believe Yoanna shouldnt have won. Two of the three shots she has the same exact expression. The first thing I thought when I saw the first pic......her arm is too thick and unbalances the shot. The pic with Tyra is just plain weirdlooking Her head is tipped so that the left earring is visible therefore she isnt relaxing on tyra's shoulder and LOOK at Yoanna's HAND! a scrawny spasmed claw and the rings arent even 'arranged' for show. It looks very clumsy...and THAT was the best shot? I'd hate to see the rejects. The stark dark to light pic is great.....makes her arms look skinny...look at those anorexia collarbones though
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Realfan
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08-08-2001
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 2:13 pm
ITA that Yoanna isn't that flabby at all compared to anyone but rail-thin models. I also don't think the show is sending any particular message about overweight vs. skinny, and I sure don't think Yoanna is going to now become anorexic just because she won. That's a rather big logic leap. She lost the weight in a reasonable manner with a sensible diet and exercise. Here are pics of her at the after-show party. She looks fab. http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=gls====56059&nbc1=1 Wow, Sun, I sure don't see what you see at all. Pic 3 is amazing--I could look at it for hours. And the second one is posed no weirder than any high-fashion mag shot. I've thought for a long time they look bizarre if you stare at them too long. They're anything but candid pics of regular people. In any case, I can't see how Mercedes would have taken better shots. She would have been posed similarly, as that's how they do it. Same with the blank look. That's what sells. That's the expression magazine models have. They want nothing to detract from the product. (I like the crooked ring in pic 2--too perfect looks fake, and the angled ring adds interest.)
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Zules
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08-21-2000
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 2:32 pm
I'm not seeing what you're seeing either Sun. Her arm looks fine to me and so does her hand. It just looks like the ring is too big for her and it moved over to the side. I suppose they don't adjust it every single time as they're snapping away. Just my guess but they probably picked that picture anyway just because their faces look so incredible.
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Jan
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08-01-2000
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 2:48 pm
My word, I really don't like what Shandi , Mercedes and Catie are wearing in those party shots. Or should I say what Mercedes is NOT wearing?
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Madelane
Member
08-20-2001
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 3:09 pm
I loved all three photos of Yoanna - she is gorgeous and tiny and her expression is beautiful. Nearly every outfit at that party was questionable - in fact the only classy looking one was Yoanna! She looks the most like a winner. And she had an hourglass figure, so who knows what happened to her square torso.
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 7:15 pm
Zules: Re: The shot of Yoanna with Tyra: I really disliked the contrast. Tyra is doing a stone-faced pose and her makeup makes her look cat-like. Yoanna looks like someone screamed "Surprise!", Yoanna turned her head and snapped the photo. She's got her mouth open and this look of shock on her face. Actually, it looks like someone was taking a photo of Tyra and pushed Yoanna into the shot. It just doesn't work for me.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 7:50 pm
Sorry - but that's balony. My skin did they EXACT same thing when I was younger than Yoanna. At that point in my life I'd never been terribly overweight nor had I ever quickly lost weight. (Frankly, I never even went on a serious diet until college - my skin did that in high school.)Personal experience speaking here. It makes me so incredibly mad that someone has to defend against this sort of #%$#$%. Trust me, her skin is not oddly loose for someone her age. Looser than the average super model? Sure, I'll give anyone that. But, it's not indicative of terrible eating disorders, it isn't even indicative of sudden weight loss (although in her case it may have been caused by this). Simple genetics will do the trick.
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Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 8:00 pm
I have yet to watch the finale (BAD ME!!) still on VCR LOL I went to the link posted above for the AFTER SHOW party. Yoanna looks horrible yet again. Look at her ribs and collarbones in the first pic! The worst has got to be her face is made up in a DIFFERENT SHADE than her body!! Her face looks pink and her neck/ body looks white. SIGH! Surely someone should have helped her with makeup!! ** I do agree with Madelane above. Yoanna IS smaller in build and a lot more boney (TINY?? at her height?)in those pics than she was on the show. Looks to me like Yoanna has lost a lot more weight to the point of being Shandi-like skeletal. OH, and I dont recall saying Yoanna was square....I said barrelchested but no breasts...That doesnt mean she doesnt have a waist or cant wear a girdle to fake a waist LOL ** Maybe I am more critical than I should be. BUT I do photography and I know a little about 'setting up' a good pic.
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Pamy
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01-02-2002
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 8:08 pm
I loved the show last nite!! Yoanna's pic was flawless! I am happy she won. I also believe that Mercedes, Shandi, and some of the others will have huge successful modeling careers. I bet their phones are ringing off the hook! The all ready have a fan base and have proven they are great
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Gina8642
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06-01-2001
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 8:25 pm
Since we've seen hide nor hair of Elyse, Shannon, or Adrienne from last season, I'm a bit skeptical about how sucessful these women will be. However, I do think they can make a living at it, at least for a little while. I wish all of them the best. I do agree that Yoanna looks like she's lost more weight since the competition. She looks quite Lara Flynn Boyle-ish to me now. Hopefully she'll even up soon. Losing that much weight isn't easy, and it's difficult to learn how much food is the appropriate amount.
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Fabnsab
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08-07-2000
| Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 10:38 pm
Im with Scorpiomom- I hate that Tyra and Yoanna pic. They look like they're getting direction from two different people on how to look. Yoanna looks like she is ready to breastfeed and Tyra looks like she is going to push her away. The other two pics are great though. From the wrap party, it looks like all the girls raided the closets of the same blind designer. They must have had help being styled because not everyone can afford that kind of crap. It takes alot of money to dress that bad. Any news on Shandi and the boyfriend? It looks like April can give up on her crush on Nigel. He has a gorgeous wife at his side.
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 12:11 am
Gina8642: Both Adrianne and Elyse are doing quite well. Adrianne has done a lot of print and is currently in South Africa. Elyse signed with WilheminaLA, has done print work and is in med school. Here are photos of Elyse Here's a post Adrianne left at TWOP (If you look through that thread, you'll see links of images of other girls from the first season who have done print as well.) Fabnsab: I saw Shandi on Access Hollywood. She said her and her bf are still together.
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Carlpsmom
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01-03-2004
| Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 6:17 am
To me,Yoanna looks like a combination of Lara Flynn Boyle and Natalie Imbruglia(sp?). Her face is stunning, but her body ,I don't know.This is coming from someone who has lost weight and has the saggy skin! lol But, to me she is just too thin. I am happy for Yoanna, though.
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