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Seamonkey
| Friday, January 02, 2004 - 1:22 pm
Remember, each country's show was aimed at that country and I bet each show was tailored by the commentators/hosts to assume that their idol would or should win.. I'd bet big money that Kelly was forced to play that role of evaluating the performances, just as the idols had to do lots of cheesy commecials. Yes, there was a definite political slant. I bet Ruben is hoping and praying they don't have World Idol 2.
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Legalboxer
| Friday, January 02, 2004 - 1:25 pm
is it just me or didnt i hear repeated interviews with kelly about how glad she was to get to be with her whole family for christmas for the first time in years... so whether she flew home right after the competition last week or they were all in england.. why would she say that knowing she also had the competition.
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Scorpiomoon
| Friday, January 02, 2004 - 2:20 pm
If Ryan Malcolm got to spend Christmas in Morocco, I'm sure Kelly wasn't doing WI-related stuff and was with her family over the holidays. If I remember correctly, the first show was taped a couple of weeks before Christmas Day.
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Puttergirl
| Friday, January 02, 2004 - 3:12 pm
Sorry this took so long. I was busy until late last night winning $50 in a poker game. I didn't even get to watch it. Congrats to Wilsonatmd who won with 4 correct choices. Hotlantan came in 2nd with 3. Yours truly stunk up the place with NONE- lol!!!! In the table below, I've only included the places where we picked someone correctly.
Player | Points | 1st | 2nd | 6th | 8th | 9th | 10th | 11th | Wilsonatmd | 25 | Kurt-Nor | Kelly-US | Peter-Belg | Diana-PanArab | Alex-Pol | Alexr-Ger | Jamai-Neth | Hotlantan | 20 | Kurt-Nor | Kelly-US | Ryan-Can | Jamai-Neth | Heinz-SAfr | Alex-Pol | Alexr-Ger | Seamonkey | 15 | Kelly-US | Kurt-Nor | Ryan-Can | Jamai-Neth | Diana-PanArab | Heinz-SAfr | Alexr-Ger | Tess | 15 | Kelly-US | Will-UK | Jamai-Neth | Peter-Belg | Diana-PanArab | Alexr-Ger | Alex-Pol | Ginger1218 | 10 | Kelly-US | Kurt-Nor | Heinz-SAfr | Alex-Pol | Alexr-Ger | Diana-PanArab | Peter-Belg | Kady | 10 | Kelly-US | Kurt-Nor | Diana-PanArab | Jamai-Neth | Alex-Pol | Alexr-Ger | Peter-Belg | Muse | 10 | Kelly-US | Kurt-Nor | Peter-Belg | Ryan-Can | Jamai-Neth | Alexr-Ger | Alex-Pol | Pamy | 10 | Kelly-US | Ryan-Can | Kurt-Nor | Jamai-Neth | Diana-PanArab | Heinz-SAfr | Alexr-Ger | Rslover | 10 | Kelly-US | Kurt-Nor | Heinz-SAfr | Alex-Pol | Alexr-Ger | Diana-PanArab | Peter-Belg | Wink | 10 | Kurt-Nor | Kelly-US | Peter-Belg | Jamai-Neth | Alex-Pol | Diana-PanArab | Alexr-Ger | Ladytex | 5 | Kelly-US | Kurt-Nor | Will-UK | Peter-Belg | Ryan-Can | Alex-Pol | Alexr-Ger | Llkoolaid | 5 | Kelly-US | Heinz-SAfr | Alex-Pol | Alexr-Ger | Peter-Belg | Jamai-Neth | Diana-PanArab | Puttergirl | 5 | Kelly-US | Will-UK | Jamai-Neth | Peter-Belg | Alex-Pol | Heinz-SAfr | Alexr-Ger | |
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Iscreamer1
| Friday, January 02, 2004 - 3:16 pm
I'm sure it was taped a few weeks earlier because the announcers had to have plenty of time to their thing. I am certain that each show was edited to be directed at the individual country it was broadcast too. Just like they kept saying stuff about Kelly to us I'm sure they were saying stuff about Jamai to the Dutch and so on. You could also tell that last nights show was recorded earler too. If I couldn't vote for Kelly, I'm glad Kurt won and I tend to think that there was some politics involved in peoples voting. We're the US and most of the rest of the world is jealous and would love for us not to be number 1 at something. Maybe that's synical but I believe it.
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Zeyna
| Friday, January 02, 2004 - 4:14 pm
I don't think that politics were involved. Majorty of the individual country voting was consistent with Kelly in one of the top spots. There were obviously many votes cast in her favour. Although I think Kelly has a great voice, I really thought Kurt was better in this particular contest. I would think most people outside of North America would have had limited exposure to her singing and are basing their vote strictly on her performance here. Anyone know what the total vote turnout was?
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Hummingbird
| Friday, January 02, 2004 - 5:36 pm
Diana #3 in The USA??? What was that all about? I was rooting for Kelly to win.
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Texasdeb
| Friday, January 02, 2004 - 5:51 pm
Diana was pretty high in the Canadian vote too. I guess that means that Americans have appreciation for music from other cultures.
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Maris
| Friday, January 02, 2004 - 5:51 pm
I am betting Diana's votes came from Detroit. Just kidding I swear. Actually I thought Diana was very good. I was sorry I didnt understand the lyrics because I do think it is important. The Australian singer was too uptempo for the song he was singing and I think it detracted from his performance. I understood those lyrics. For all I know Diana could have been singing a song about the death of a loved one. Not understanding the lyrics aside, I thought she had a beautiful voice probably would have done better in other countries if she had sung in English where they could have understood her. I am also surprised that the Canadian didnt do better with the Hollies song. What was with the Polish judge??????????
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Rslover
| Friday, January 02, 2004 - 6:54 pm
JBean, Kelly actually got the 10 points from Norway, so they love her there. Regarding Diana coming in third here, kind of surprised me too, but there are alot of arabs living in this country. Maybe, they voted. They don't celebrate Christmas. I was kind of surprised that Peter came in third overall.
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Kellirippa
| Friday, January 02, 2004 - 9:51 pm
WHOA!!! Hey, Americans, come on! Why was Kelly the only one with nothing to win and so much to loose!!?? Hey, the idols from the other countries were all in the same position. She might be the most important idol in your country, but The USA isn't the only country in the world! The other countries idols were also giving up their holidays for the same minimal fee! Also just wanted to add, it was a little cheesy of Ryan Seacrest to plug his own new TV show when it was time for him to reveal the U.S. votes. I didn't hear any of the other countries hosts doing anything like that!
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Trisha1
| Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 12:44 am
Kelli-Very succinct. My thoughts exactly. I was going to make one of my rare posts after reading many of the comments, but find you have said it all very nicely. Much obliged.
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Shelb724
| Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 7:02 am
Maris, wish i knew your email. you have a great sense of humor, lets put it that way . thanks for making me laugh .
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Maris
| Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 7:58 am
Thanks Shelb. Kelli I think the reason many feel Kelly had something to lose is because Flying from the West Coast to Europe entails a few days of travel unlike most other performers (except the Jordanian and australian) who could get to london in a flight of about an hour. Added to that Kelly has had sales in the millions of cd's and doesn't necessarily need the exposure. When you look at Kurt, the winner his song broke all records in terms of sales in Norway and yet it didnt even break 100,000 in sales. The benefit to the europeans of exposure to the american market far outweighs any benefit Kelly might gain from performing in Europe. Even Peter said he had to come on the show because it was the only way someone from as small a country as he came from could get the exposure. It is about sales and earnings potential. I doubt kelly will get much benefit but I would not be surprised if the Australian and possibly the Canadian might do better because of the exposure. This isn't about nationalism.
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Legalboxer
| Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 9:04 am
Quote:outweighs any benefit Kelly might gain from performing in Europe
but i thought exposure in europe was good.. look at the rocket sales/popularity of Daivd Hasseloff in germany and Allysa Milano in Japan. (putting up my invisible forcefield to shield from all the flack that may head this way- it was said as a JOKE)
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Maris
| Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 9:19 am
Note legal I said "Outweighs". Just saying I am sure the Norweigan would be very happy to get American exposure and the opportunity to reach hundreds of thousands of sales, something Kelly has already done.
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Babyjaxmom
| Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 11:19 am
Quote:Also just wanted to add, it was a little cheesy of Ryan Seacrest to plug his own new TV show when it was time for him to reveal the U.S. votes. I didn't hear any of the other countries hosts doing anything like that!
Kelli, I agree, it was pretty cheesy, but remember that what we saw here in the US was specifically edited for a US audience--plus it was on FOX and of course they want to promote something on their own network. Who knows what the hosts in the other countries may have said or not said that was not shown in this country? As far as the high number of votes for Diana in the US, there are a lot of Arabs that live in this country, but I also read somewhere that possibly a lot of Americans may have voted for her out of sympathy for the terrible things that are happening in that part of the world these days. Plus she does have a beautiful voice and presence, despite the fact that we didn't understand the words. It's possible to appreciate art for its inherent beauty, even though we might not understand its meaning (think of all the interesting pieces you may have seen in a museum--or opera!--that struck you as beautiful, even though you might not have understood the artist's meaning). I don't know what her song was about, but she did have a lovely voice and a beautiful smile! Just saying . . . 
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Kellirippa
| Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 11:44 am
...Ah, but this is about Nationalism. Why is it that the only measure of success is, success in the United States? Ryan Malcolm is very successful in Canada and Wil Young is successful in the UK. They are as important in their home countries as Kelly Clarkson is in hers. Worldwide success is not necessarily measured by what the Americans think of you. And Babyjax - I was not watching on an American Network, and Seacrest was the only host doing any plugging. I agree it was the network's idea, but it sure did look cheesy.
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Scorpiomoon
| Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 12:08 pm
Well, here's my take on the Kelly thing: While being on WI probably did nothing to further her career, her appearance was more about increasing ratings of WI. And considering, and let's be honest about this, if it wasn't for AI she'd probably still be a struggling waitress/singer, the least she could do is sacrifice some time and do the WI gig.
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Kellirippa
| Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 12:25 pm
...increasing American network ratings in the United States that is..
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Vsmart
| Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 12:27 pm
She was written up in my newspaper as runner-up. Stars today have to stay in the public eye or be considered yesterday's news. Better for singing than for doing something trashy.
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Maris
| Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 5:11 pm
Kelli it isnt about the only measure of success. The fact is I am pretty sure every one of those contestants would love to have a hit single in the United States where there are 200 million consumers versus sales of 50,000 in Norway which I am very sure that Kurt was proud of as well. It is about money. Being a hit in America is really not such a crime.
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Kellirippa
| Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 5:36 pm
...I'm saying, sales figures count in Euro-dollars too (and it's quite possible that there are 200 million consumers over there!)...not just American dollars. It's not a crime to be a hit in America, but it's not impossible to still be a hit outside of it! That being said, I respectfully agree to disagree..
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Seamonkey
| Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 6:37 pm
But, it IS possible for some of us to actually think Kelly was the best and should have won, right?? And some of this discussion comes from the contract Kelly had to sign.. she had no choice about her participation. I'm happy for Kurt. Oh and as for the arab population in the US.. and not celebrating Christmas.. there ARE arab Christians, y'know.
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Kellirippa
| Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 6:45 pm
Seamonkey - …Don’t get me wrong; I’m a Kelly Clarkson fan too, she's got a fantastic voice! It just left a bad taste in my mouth when I was watching the results show, and with each 2nd place result the camera would cut to Kelly, and her reaction came across as, ‘oh my god, I’m Kelly Clarkson, I’m supposed to win’. I came to the TVCH board to see if anyone else had interpreted her reactions in the same way, and was disappointed to see that the prevailing attitude was, here’s poor Kelly the American superstar, selflessly giving up her home and hearth during the holidays, to slum with these poor schleps from those other countries, when they should all just be thanking their lucky stars to have this exposure. Ya see how this could rub a person the wrong way?
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