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Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 7:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Re: Tonight's show:

Where to begin...

I give Tyra a lot of credit for defending Toccara. Good for Tyra for wanting to challenge the industry which has brought her success.

But, I think, Toccara is being unrealistic. That female stylist who pinched her was rude, but she was right when she said she'd never be able to get a rack of clothes in Toccara's size and that Toccara wasn't respecting the world of high fashion.

Man, I can't even imagine how bizarre it would be to live with these girls. You've got one who purges her food and another who has a ton of food under her bed so she can eat when she wakes up in the middle of the night. Aye yi yi yi.

I loved Marc Bouwer. I loved how he was no-nonense.

I'm with you guys. After tonight, I've had it with the freaky makeup photo shoots.

Again, most of them did poorly. But I'm still, barely, rooting for Yaya.

It was best that Cassie was cut. And I admire her for not giving the standard, "I'll make it as a model. You'll see me again." farewell speech. I think she's the only person I have ever heard say they didn't like NYC.



Yankee_in_ca
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 8:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I know she's ancient history, but every time I see the open for this show, I think "How the h-e-double-hockey-sticks did Magdelena get picked for this show in the first place?!"

Mssilhouette
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07-11-2001

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 1:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Here's the thing about finding a rack of clothes for Toccara. It's not like they don't book modles without knowing their measurments.

So to be honest, they wouldn't hire Toccara if they knew they didn't have clothes for her. I think the person dressing her was being downright mean. They knew they had a plus size person in the shoot and it seems that they're trying to give her undue stress over it.

I'm sorry but arent' designers supposed to be able to capable dress a woman of average size. Because Toccara isn't that plus she's more average to me. Her chest is the only plus-size part about her.

Also that part about her not respecting the fashion industry..what exactly does that mean? Is Toccara supposed to quit because the industry can't find a rack of clothes for her? Like she said is she supposed to feel bad because of that?

Also they didn't use much imagination when it came to her duality shot. They had drawings of what they wanted to do so don't tell me they didn't know they had a plus size person coming to that shoot.

Fabnsab
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08-07-2000

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 1:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Toccara has just as much chance at high fashion as Eva does- none- but noone is dogging her for her height. Yes, they mention it but not like Toccaras weight. Frankly, if you watch a runway show, those girls are 5'11 usually. Most of these girls wont make high fashion.

I think the problem is, we all are assuming that "top model" has to be runway. It doesn't. It can be Covergirl cosmetics, where Toccara has beautiful skin. There are alot of factets to modeling that doesn't have to be couture.

Most of these girls would fail as runway models. Tocarra is just the easy target to pick on.

I commend Tyra for sticking up for her but if Tyra wants a runway model as the end result then she should make realistic height and weight restrictions.

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 2:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Also that part about her not respecting the fashion industry..what exactly does that mean?

I don't remember exactly what was said, but the woman stylist was saying something about clothes not fitting and said something like, "If you were doing catalogue..." (and said it in a friendly manner). I got the feeling she was going to say if they were doing a catalogue shoot they'd have clothes that fit.

And Toccara interrupted her and said something like, "Honey, this isn't catalogue. This is high fashion." I got the feeling she meant: "I'm better than catalogue. I can do anything, so don't insult me by even bringing up the word 'catalogue'." And that's what got the woman stylist angry.

As much as her confidence is admirable, the reality is, at this point in time, Toccara will never be able to do couture. If she could stop being so unrealistic and defensive and realize, as Fabnsab wrote, there are a million other opportunities out there, she could go far.

Also they didn't use much imagination when it came to her duality shot.

Oh man, that orange blouse was hideous!

You know, I think of the thousands of girls who tried out for this show and I think, is the best they could find?

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 6:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree that Tocarra could be a great Cover girl model, her face is flawless.....so what if she doesn't walk the runways.....I think she will have a great career after this is over......her spunky funny personality will get her far.

I like Ann more each week...I think Nicole wins because they have barely shown her so far.

Mssilhouette
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07-11-2001

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I actually like Toccara more than all of them, right now. Of course being plus size myself I probably have a bias but I didn't really like last years plus size contestant so maybe not.

I do think that the dresser's attitued was really nasty towards her and I think Toccara reacted to that venom.

I think Toccara should go for the gold, even if they tell her she's being unrealistic. Last season they went to Italy and they had a fashion designer who made clothes for a full size woman.

So she can do runway for the right designer all it takes is someone with the confidence to put "regular size" (screw that plus crap) on the runway.

If we have to American Market, then she would be a great model for the Lane Bryant retail store chain. I'd love to go into a store and see her picture hanging in the window showing off that smile. And I know Lane Bryant does have fashion shows so she can do runways.

I'm sorry but the second she believes that she CAN'T do it is the second she'll fail at it.

I also think that there's a fashion designer out there who can do couture on a "regular size" model. I know they're aren't any now but if you make it they will come.

Okay that's enough of my rant. I hope Toccarra wins or makes it into the final 3.

Max
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08-12-2000

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What ticks me off is that Toccarra is NOT that big! She represents what many American women actually look like. Most of us are NOT walking around in a "perfect size 2" body. You don't have to be a size 2 to look good. I don't understand why designers can't figure that out. I guess high fashion is just too snooty to admit that they are designing things for a very small percentage of the population. At one point, Toccarra said that everything that fit her had no shape at all. I totally understand. I HAVE a shape and it's not all that bad, but it sure isn't a size 2. Unfortunately, the majority of clothing made in my size is cut with straight lines like a large paper bag. Does nothing to flatter the curves -- curves, I might add, that in another time were considered the height of fashion as they represent fertility. It's frustrating that most designers don't understand that larger women still like some shape to their clothing.

On another note, I'm glad Cassie is gone. That poor girl was an eating disorder waiting to turn into a train wreck. It sure didn't help when the designers were telling her she had big hips. I realize that proportion is what they were talking about and that they want the stick-figure girls who can wear the clothing like a hanger, but I think all she heard was, "You're fat!" The fashion industry is not a place she should be -- she's not mentally prepared to handle it. Contrast her to Toccarra and there's a WORLD of difference in self-confidence.

Finally, it was nice to see Tyra stand up for Toccarra like she did. :-)

Jan
Member

08-01-2000

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
How very, very, very sad :-(:-(:-(

Top Model' Winner Leads 'Surreal Life'
(Wednesday, November 03 03:17 PM)
LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) It's not that we don't understand reality-TV fame is fleeting. We get that.

It's just that sometimes, you hope some of these people will go on to do other things, and not necessarily in front of TV cameras.

Which brings us to VH1's announcement that Adrianne Curry, the first winner of "America's Next Top Model," will be one of the sorta-famous people populating the next installment of "The Surreal Life."

Curry will join ex-Brady kid Christopher Knight, Verne "Mini-Me" Troyer, pixieish Go-Gos guitarist Jane Wiedlin and three others in the "Surreal Life" house. Filming on the fourth edition of the show began this week; the new season is scheduled to premiere Sunday, Jan. 9.

Former World Wrestling Entertainment star/Playboy cover girl Chyna Doll (aka Joanie Laurer), rapper Da Brat and model/Pamela Anderson ex Marcus Schenkenberg will also be part of the show.

Curry, you'll recall, was a waitress from Joliet, Ill., before becoming one of the 10 finalists on "America's Next Top Model." She eventually won the competition, which was supposed to lead to a Revlon contract, magazine spreads and, one presumes, a full-time modeling career.

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|91600|1|,00.html

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
WHAT???

Not that I have anything against "The Surreal Life", I've always liked the show. But, come on! I thought Adrianne was having a successful modeling career! Normally this show casts "has-been" celebs. I thought she was doing relatively well!

This is kind of disappointing.

Thanks for the info, Jan. :-)

Beachcomber
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08-26-2003

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wow, Surreal Life, wonder what Ms. Tyra thinks?

Outside of NYC, Paris, and Milan, how often does the average person see a "High Couture" model? I only knew of Tyra because of the Victoria Secret's ads and her appearances on Oprah. Are her VS ads considered "High Couture?" I don't really understand what is so special and different about High Couture models versus models who do Revlon/Covergirl ads.

I am pulling for Tocarra, but I don't think she will have a shot at makeup ads right now since she strongly resembles Queen Latifah and QL already has a makeup gig (can't remember which one though).

Eva looked fantabulous last night and ITA Pamy that Nicole is our sleeper winner this year.

Who does everyone think will be the final 3? I think Nicole, Ann, and Amanda.

Producerchic
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06-29-2004

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 2:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Beach -- Queen Latifah's cosmetic contract is with... Cover Girl

Fabnsab
Member

08-07-2000

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 2:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Beachcomber, Tyra has done alot fo couture runway work but she became most famous for VS and being the first black woman on the cover of Sports Ill. swimsuit edition. She has a gorgeous body with curves so it is obvious why she flourished with these two things.

Models who are true runway stars only normally have no curves. They are human clothes hangers, imo.

Buggles
Member

09-07-2002

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 2:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think YaYa will make the F3. She has won some comps & almost invariably does well. Great walk etc. Only problem seems to be her skin..

I also was thinking Nicole could be a sleeper but her pics werent so hot this week. Also the judges just dont seem to be high on her for whatever reason. Personally I think she is the best looking next to Eva.

I was thinking Eva might take this but it looks like she falls apart next week

Toccara looked SO beautiful yesterday. I really didnt appreciate how special her looks were until then... she really is lovely.

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 7:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Anyone think 39 was big for that girl's hips? I don't look nearly as skinny as she does but my hips are not that big..of course I carry all my weight on top.

Buggles
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09-07-2002

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 9:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I was surprised her hips were that large. I agree she seems slimmer than that. I think her hips look beautiful tho. However if she is only 19 they could easily get even larger.

Max
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08-12-2000

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 10:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
She is slim. She just has a body structure that is pear-shaped (hips larger than bust). That doesn't mean she's overweight or even that she has the potential to someday be overweight. It just means she has natural curves. Some would call those "child-bearing hips," or at least in days gone by they would have. :-)

Different people have different builds. Hurray! The problem with modeling is that many designers want every girl to look like a wire hanger. It's not realistic. But then again, how many people do you see walking the street wearing high fashion clothing and wearing it well? I guess it depends on where you live, but here in Portland, you don't see it very often! :-)

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 11:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
He measured her hips on top of her jeans, surely that added a few inches.
No one's pictures looked good this week, I felt they were trying to decide who looked the 'least bad'. I am so read for them to stop doing the freaako makeup and start doing glamour shots. Even the prettiest of the girls are looking bad.
Also, the red-haired girl (forgot her name) has some really eye-catching expressions, she is my favourite today.

Yankee_in_ca
Member

08-01-2000

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 7:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes, 39 was a large measurement for her size. I don't believe that is her true measurement.

Luvmykitties
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01-02-2004

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 8:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
39" hips is big for someone that's a size 2 - or even 4. (I'm a size 4 - sometimes 6 - and I don't have 39" hips) I agree with Max that I would consider that pear shaped.
Marc Bouwer was correct. It's definitely not a model's measurement.
BUT - I didn't think Cassie looked pear shaped, or that she has 39" hips.

I think it was for the best that Cassie was sent home. She was so unhappy. It just wasn't healthy for her to remain. Even though they didn't mention it, I wonder if her eating disorder was taken into consideration...

I don't believe for a minute that Toccarra will be Tyra's Next Top Model. But I do think she could have a good career. She photographs well, and her personality really adds to her appeal.
I am SO glad that Tyra put Janice in her place! I wish we could have seen an extended version of THAT "boardroom".

I'm rooting for Eva, Ya-Ya, and Ann.

I think Eva's height will prevent her from going all the way. I'm surprised it hasn't come up sooner (like last years girl where they mentioned it every week!)

Buggles
Member

09-07-2002

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 10:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My hips are smaller (37.5) and I'm a 6/8.

Yankee_in_ca
Member

08-01-2000

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, my hips are bigger LOL, but I still don't think there was ANY way given her overall size that she can have 39" hips.

The bigger question to me is, "How the heck did some of these girls even make it to the finals of this show?!"

Yankee_in_ca
Member

08-01-2000

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 10:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh, and regarding Adrienne Curry, she has a blog (linked to at one point from TWoP), and really detailed how her career was NOT going well -- too old, too curvy, etc. It sounds like it's been very difficult for her, actually. She went to Asia, and didn't get many bookings, then with high hopes went to Europe, and also didn't get many bookings. The problem according to her seems to be her size and her age.

Jan
Member

08-01-2000

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 10:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Dang! I liked Adrienne.I really do think they need to change the name of this reality show. I don't think a single one of these girls from any of the years will ever be a top model. :-(

Fabnsab
Member

08-07-2000

Friday, November 05, 2004 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
These girls have to be 15, 5"11, with absolutely no curves to truly be a top model on the runway.

Maybe they can make the show more wellrounded and not concentrate so much on runway couture. As mentioned, there are print ads and swimsuit modeling. I can see many of these girls modeling, but not couture. IMO, none of these girls resemble the models on the runway.

Ann looks like she would do great with Nike. Toccara at Lane Bryant. If they concentrate more on every type of modeling, maybe the winners would be more successful.