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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 1:14 pm
I am so glad this was edited out and cleaned up. There is enough good footage without having to show graphic group sex. And even Tyra called it "nasty". And therein lies the boundary of where censorship should begin. The photo shoots with the models nude were not offensive to me. Or showing the models changing clothes. Janet Jackson's boob incident was offensive, not because of the nudity itself, but because she obviously did it to titillate (tee hee) the men in the audience and to get herself into the headlines. It was her purposfully being "nasty" that was gross. I agree that Shandi may not be tough enough for the game of international modelling. But then, if she gets through this mess OK, she might be tougher than we think. As we have said before, it's all in the editing. GO SHANDI. Pull yourself together, Girl, you can do it.
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Rslover
Member
11-19-2002
| Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 3:33 pm
Well, I, for one wanted to see it. Tryra promoted that "orgy" so much that I was curious about it and Shandi's meltdown. Oh, damn that JJ.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Friday, March 12, 2004 - 3:28 pm
I don't know what was in the 'orgy scene', so I don't know what was edited out as inappropriate. I guess overall I'm curious and want to see, but I don't want them airing porno over public airwaves either. JJ really offended me, but some of the backlash has been way over the top. I wish she had a tiny modicum of common sense, but I think that is too much to ask for coming from that family.
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Friday, March 12, 2004 - 4:26 pm
If you guys can, try and catch Access Hollywood. They show clips from the show. I just saw it. The "orgy" took place in a hot tub. All the girls were very physical with the guys, but they showed a lot of Shandi passionately kissing the guy she was with. Then they show her on the phone--on her knees on the floor. She's crying hysterically. Her boyfriend says, "You had sex?" And Shandi says yes. Her boyfriend says, "Were you that lonely?" And again Shandi says yes. Then he says, "I can't be with someone who cheats. We said we were going to be together forever." Shandi is sobbing and her boyfriend is crying. Then he calls her a "Stupid b-tch". Catfat: Tyra didn't say what they did was "nasty". She said "they were doing the nasty." That's Tyra using street slang again to say, "They were having sex."
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Monday, March 15, 2004 - 9:49 pm
You are right, Scorp, I wasn't aware of the difference. I stll think that graphic sex doesn't belong on network TV. They should have it on pay per view or cable or something.
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 8:15 pm
Is anyone out there? I'm feeling so all alone here by myself.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 8:19 pm
I'm here.....my roomie's family is junking up the living room with their presence, so Ican't watch the show....who got kicked off? Was it a good show?
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 8:23 pm
I haven't seen it yet, I'm on the West Coast. Anyone else here?
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Idolworship
Member
05-07-2003
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 8:25 pm
You're not alone, Cat, but I'm on the West Coast, so can't be of help. I'm dying to know who is gone, also
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 8:34 pm
Did you guys want me to spoil?
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 8:46 pm
YES YES!!!! Gimme gimme!!! Spoil away!!! They should know better than to be in here if they haven't seen the show yet!! Please please!! (panting heavily!!!)
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 8:48 pm
YAH Scorpio!! My best tvshow spoiler!!!! just put yada yada or something like that in your first line to protect spoiling on new message ppl Thanks
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 8:49 pm
ppss...Scorpio...go ck out my latest post in ALias thread, for once I can return the spoiling favor to you!
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 8:49 pm
Ok, here's the gist of it: The girls are still in Milan. They get an assignment by a well-known designer to go to a flea market and buy outfits which would flatter their bodies. The winner gets to stay at the designer's villa. That night, the girls have the Italian guys over. Shandi has sex. She cries hysterically afterward. The next day, they do their assignment. Shandi wins. All the girls travel to the villa. Shandi picks Yoanna to stay with her in the nice guest room. Merceedes and April stay in a small, crappy room. April and Merceedes also have to eat seperate from the rest. That night, Shandi calls her boyfriend and tells him she cheated. They are both crying. The next day, the girls have to do girl-on-girl nude photo shoots. Shandi and Yoanna are together. April and Merceedes are together. Shandi is distracted. Merceedes is uncomfortable. April is bossy. They leave the villa and meet Tyra for cappuccino. Shandi asks Tyra if she ever cheated. Tyra gives her opinion/advice. Shandi calls her boyfriend. He seems to have forgiven her. The next day they do the elimination. The girls are given t-shirts and are told to cut them up and decorate them to look as flattering as possible. Who got eliminated? . . . . . April
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Idolworship
Member
05-07-2003
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 8:57 pm
Thank you, kind Moon! Now I can get another hour of sleep, and watch the tape, tomorrow. Bless ya!
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 9:09 pm
Thank you thank you, Scorpio. Now I can watch and pick up details easier.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 9:13 pm
Thanks Scorpio!!!
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 9:14 pm
There's one scene you guys have to keep an eye out for: When the girls go to the designer's showroom, he tells them to pick clothes--from his collection--which would most flatter them. Yoanna picks out a top that reveals her midriff. The camera zooms in from behind and gets a close-up of a roll of skin falling over the waistband of her pants. I cringed and felt so bad for Yoanna. If it had been me, I would have died a million times over from embarrassment. It really was an unflattering shot.
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Not1worry
Member
07-30-2002
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 9:28 pm
I'm very happy with this final 3. Shandi had me worried that she was going to be so scattered and upset that she would blow it. I thought they handled the editing of the "orgy" very well. We definitely knew what was going on, but the sex part wasn't the major event, it was Shandi's dealing with it. My heart broke for her when she was weeping on the bed as the guys left. I've had that self-loathing. Get the feeling Nigel and Janice don't like each other? Janice does crack me up. That photo shoot really made me feel squicky. I think it would be far more uncomfortable doing that with someone you are friends with. Maybe that's just me. I wanted April to shut up so badly. Loved the scenery of Lake Como and Milan. I used to go to a market like that each Thursday. I was worried when they were going to hold their breath in the tunnel - some of those tunnels are quite a few miles long! But I can remember driving to a rodeo of all things, about an hour from Milan. We came out of a tunnel and bam! - this huge, beautiful lake surrounded my mountains, just like Lake Como. We almost drove off the road in shock at the sudden appearance of such an awesome sight. Yoanna is handling the criticism much better this week. I thought it was interesting that Nigel thought she looked better unclothed. He's the one that has been most critical of her body. I've often thought that Yoanna should just choose her clothes better. A low rise, tight pair of pants doesn't look good on her. I think it's going to be a Yoanna/Shandi final two, but Mercedes could really surprise everyone. If I had to guess, I'd pick Yoanna to win, but I wouldn't bet any money on it!
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 9:45 pm
Not1worry: I loved reading your post! Thanks for sharing details about your time in Italy. I agree with everything you wrote.
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Jhezzie
Member
07-05-2001
| Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 11:48 pm
Thanks for the spoils. I totally forgot it was on!!!
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 12:24 am
OMG, I forgot it was on tonite!!!! Thank you for the info, I hope it shows tomorrow and I can tape it.
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Ark
Member
07-10-2001
| Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 8:45 am
When April was eliminated and started crying, they did a quick shot of Janice and she looked like this elimination was painful for her. I've always thought that Janice had ice water running through her veins but a couple of times this season, she's shown true human emotions. I think I might actually like her a little bit.
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Zules
Member
08-21-2000
| Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 10:42 am
Okay, one of my friends had the whole season on tape for another of our friends who is traveling. Anyway, I watched the whole season up until now and I'm all caught up. I'm sorry but I still don't give Shandi a free pass on the screwing around on her boyfriend bit. She knew that what she was doing was wrong and she did it anyway. On the modeling end of things, I think she's too thin. I like Mercedes. She's seems sweet and positive and well, I like those kinds of people! Yoanna has such a beautiful face. It seems that a bit of toning and she'll be all set. Or maybe she'll need a nip/tuck if it's sagging skin. Does anyone know if it's from her weight loss? Wow, Janice is a meany! I'm so glad she's not a bigger part of the show. I don't know if I could stomach her for any longer than the few minutes they show her each week. I agree though Ark, last night she did seem to have a passing moment of empathy for April. That's as much credit as I'm willing to give her right now though. Man, am I ever feeling catty after that! I'm off to take my nice pill!
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 11:03 am
Loved this show!!! They spent a lot of time on shandy and her crisis and how she resolved it. The shot from above as she was on the patio/balcony crumpled in a heap was beautifully designed and choreographed. These photographers and cameramen are GOOD! I'm sorry April was eliminated, I think her coolness can be an asset in fashion shoots and runway. I think Mercedes will be the next to go. I like her a lot, she is pretty and friendly, but she is the shortest one left and I just don't see her as runway material. She looks good in close-ups, though. Agree, Yoanna needs to tone up, get a tummy tuck, or do a better job of disguising that loose skin. Easily fixed. I like her hair better short than with the long extensions. I still want Shandy to win, because I think the others can make it without the show, and Shandy needs the boost up winning could give her.
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