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Skypilot
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10-11-2002
| Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 7:46 am
Eeyoreslament, It rubs me wrong also when Yaya refers to herself as an "intelligent black woman". It DOES sound as though she is making some sort of distinction. I am a black man and I've heard some men refer to themselves as "quality black men". That never fails to grate on my nerves; as if other black men are of LESSER quality. If a person is intelligent or has good qualities, that fact will speak for itself without them having to use the words "intelligent" or "quality" when speaking about themselves. Quite frankly, people who don't know this never strike me as being particularly intelligent or of much "quality".
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 11:40 am
Trying not to cause an argument here, but could we please refrain from making hateful, insulting remarks about Amanda's eyes and her colouring? Some of us are pale white and have pale eyes and like ourselves that way. Not everyone wants to be tanned (as in So. Cal tan) or darker. Thanks in advance.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 12:14 pm
I think no one here is ripping on her pale eyes and white skin--it's what the show did to her hair that makes her look so goofy. I personally love her eyes. The hair wrecks her look for me. I am a redhead with the pastey-whitest skin you can think of... Like Jim Belushi said in "About Last Night": the thing about redheads is that they're practically albinos!(paraphrased)
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 12:26 pm
I remember that remark, Juliboo. LOL But I, too, like red hair and pale skin. It sounds like you are very pretty. But quoting Eeyore from above: "Amanda is going to win this thing. But she really DOES look like she's from the Village of the Damned!! BLEGH!!" Pretty insulting. }
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 4:20 pm
Awww catfat.....I didn't mean that her natural look was bad. However the choice of hair color for her was brutal. And I don't think she's allowed to change it. I liked her before the hair episode. I just didn't know where this thread was back then, or you would have heard that I thought they made her look worse with the hair colour. The hair colour alone makes her look very washed out. I do not think that they made her look BETTER. They made her look very unnatural. That could be what's so alarming about her look (to me at least). I'm a girl with pooh-brown eyes. I'd KILL KILL KILL to have naturally ice blue eyes like her. I don't think it is fair to think that my assessment of one person's look was meant as a broad swooping generalization of what I thought of people with fair skin. I think it's like saying someone who doesn't like Yaya's big afro is a person insulting all blacks. This is a show based on these girls' looks. I think this thread should be a place where we can comment on those looks, without people taking PERSONAL offense. I honestly meant nothing more than my thought on Amanda alone.
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Not1worry
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07-30-2002
| Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 5:23 pm
I think the show has been totally ruined this season. I loved season 1, enjoyed season 2, but this season doesn't not compare at all. There is too much clown makeup, how can you see how they look behind all that? If it was just one week, then it would be a nice change, but it seems like it's almost every week. In season 1, Kesse got sent home for missing 1 out of 4 go-sees. Yaya missed the whole thing and it is barely mentioned. Her skin is awful and her attitude is worse. Tyra seems to want to be Dr. Phil or something. Her amateur analysis of the girls gets on my nerves. Even worse is dragging her mother into everything. I want to see modeling, not therapy. I think the worst part about this season is the way so many of the girls seem to be completely beaten down, depressed, and hopeless by the time they are cut. Toccara had such spark, Kelle was bubbly and cute, Ann was confident, Jennipher was trying hard. By the time they were cut, they had mentally given up and were pale shadows of what they'd been in the first week. I blame Jay Manuel for this, he has become way too self-important. The girls are new to this and need at least some encouragement and direction. He's just mean and petty. Tyra said last night that the judges were wondering if any of the girls were top model material. I don't think any of them are close. Tyra has herself to blame, she's the one that selected them. They cut the only ones that seemed promising to me - Nicole, Norelle, Leah, and Toccara. I think Eva will win. Yaya is too obnoxious and although her close shots look good, her posing isn't so hot. Amanda does well, but I think her age and blindness will keep her from winning. (I hope I'm wrong).
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 7:08 pm
Eeyore, I over-reacted to an innocent comment. Please accept my apologies. I have been the butt of lots cadaver jokes in my life and I just want to cry sometimes. You are right, we should be able to comment on the appearance of the girls on the show. And my opinion is that these girls are not very pretty compared with lots of other girls out there.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 9:29 pm
Catfat, you know I love you!! I know it's all good! If it's any consolation, I'm as white as you. My mom has strawberry blonde hair, and no eyebrows. She burns in the shade, after ten minutes. No joke. The thing that sucks for ME is I ended up with the same white skin, with brown hair and eyes though!! I'm like Marilyn Manson!! Blegh to me!! Anyways, no worries. Big hugs!
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Thursday, December 09, 2004 - 11:03 pm
Thanks, Eeyore. Right back at ya.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 2:19 am
But she really DOES look like she's from the Village of the Damned!! BLEGH!!" Its funny how we read the same comment and get something different out of it. When I read the above comment I figured that BLEGH!! was in response to the scary movie. Oh well, at least there are no hard feelings. YES, it was shocking that the judges were so easy on Yaya when she missed the Milk competition. Inexcusable. Also inexcusable is Jay's constant nattering at Ann. There is simply no reason for ONE contestant to be picked on. I think the most confident person would start to give up. In my opinion, Jay must have been passing on HIS poor opinion of Ann to the judges. They arent there during the shoots therefore are relying on him to pass on observations. He doesnt like Ann therefore passes on a crummy review, over and over again. Her early pics were often good but lacked a light in her eyes...functional but not spectacular. As for Ann's snub of Eva, well they showed us a little of the bickering that occured while the judges were deliberating. Eva is so arrogant and selfabsorbed that Ann just 'had it'. I personally have disliked Eva's bullying from day ONE and we all saw that Tyra was completely aware of it (by that lecture Episode 1) YET, Tyra STILL put Eva on the show. I'd say she was put on for conflict as she is truly too short and boylike to be a top model, in my opinion. With Eva's Issues I would imagine that she would Mouth off to the wrong person if she actually WON this show. Tyra cant take a chance on alienating her sponsors so I am imagining this winner with be Amanda. How can Yaya still be here with her bad skin? I hate to sound negative but yaya is very arrogant about herself. I agree with the others above. She seems to be putting herself Higher than 'regular' black women with her pompous comments. However, Eva does seem kinda rough in comparison.(not meant to sound racist)
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 7:40 pm
Did Ann have a hard time finding her size in clothing in this episode? If so, why? And what was with Tyra's mom and her playing "dr. phil?" Lastly, if Tyra is so concerned with her big forehead, why doesn't she wear bangs to kinda camoflauge it?
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Fabnsab
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 8:36 pm
Julie, they mentioned that Ann is 5'11 and in Japan, I guess, the sizes in regular stores were too small for her.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Friday, December 10, 2004 - 8:53 pm
Ah, Thanks Fab!
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 12:48 am
You know what I have missed about this season? Tyra hasn't shown off any of her non-modeling talents. The first season she was a photographer. The second season she was a singer. Nothing this year! Damn it..NOT!
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Not1worry
Member
07-30-2002
| Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 4:47 pm
LOL, Scorpio. I guess her talent this season is therapist.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 6:47 pm
hee hee, oh you guys! Maybe trying for a Talkshow type format? Ala Oprah style?
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Beachcomber
Member
08-26-2003
| Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 7:01 pm
Great article and Q and A in Friday's Charlotte Observer paper with NC resident (Asheville) Amanda Swafford. She is originally from Texas. http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/living/style/10378349.htm Interesting judge's remarks in the article: Nigel Barker - From the get-go, Swafford's mesmerizing eyes and milky skin stood out, said "ANTM" judge Nigel Barker. She has the most extraordinary, striking features. It's very important for a model to have a sort of lasting factor as such, where someone sort of sticks in your mind, and you sort of go back and think "Who did I see today?" and certain faces pop out. That's a very important factor and she definitely has that. Her past and her history, I think, add to the fact that she can give so many different looks with her eyes. She can tell a story just through an expression or a stare. What she has to do is make the decision that no matter what, she's going to make it, she's going to do it. In the fashion industry, people say "I can't do this because of my family" or "I can't do this" because I have a child or because I don't live in a major city. You just have to go for it and take it for what it is and really use every advantage to your advantage, everything you have. Nole Marin said the transformation (dying her hair platinum blonde) made her a super-hero. Amanda is a bolt of lightning. In front of the camera she transforms into this powerful model that is so strong and beautiful. Nigel's last statement leads me to believe Amanda doesn't win.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 8:23 pm
Okay ~ I still have not seen the entire last episode but did see a good 50 minutes of it tonight and have to say that I am even more disturbed by Ann's snub of Eva when she was eliminated. I just see no reason for it at all. And seeing an earlier episode today where Amanda leads the mob mentality against Eva, after falsely accusing her of stealing her crystals, makes me realize that what bothers me most about Amanda is that so many of her actions seem fake to me from how she walks to how she talks. And that crying thing tonight about needing the money ~ oh please, who doesn't need it?! Oh well, congratulations to Eva for making the final three with these two. I can see her being on a sitcom or something in the future and continuing to be successful.
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 12:18 am
Kappy: I think Ann is just really confused and screwed up on an emotional level. And I don't mean that in a harsh way. Everything about her seems so damaged. She made some comment to the judges about never being allowed to watch movies or read books. Her childhood was probably really intense. I just think the way she treated Eva was par for the course of someone who doesn't know how to behave any differently.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 12:56 am
Does anyone else think they are sending a bad message to young girls watching that if you are smart & educated you are less likeable?? On the positive side they are learning to not be pompous but it seems the show is making intelligence out to be an unlikeable, unattractive quality 
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 12:05 pm
No, I just think they are over-emphasizing personality flaws. In the first season, Elyse, who is smarter than all the girls who have ever been on this show put together, was never portrayed as unlikable. At the beginning, when she came across as a bit of a snob they played that up. But as the season progressed and she became more relaxed with the show, the editors/producers didn't focus on her negative qualities at all.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 3:09 pm
That's an interesting point about Elyse, tho I'm not sure how you judge her to be more intelligent than the rest of the girls put together. If they are all that dumb & everyone's personality flaws are being over-emphasized, I would expect to see them harping on how unlikeable being dumb & immature is. (lol) Everyone seems to be just a little too concerned about YaYa's intelligence imo (including YaYa). I had forgotten about Elyse but this season I cant help but think they are giving young girls watching the impression it's OK to advertise that you are super athletic or super fashionable or super fun but if you are super smart it's not something a woman can be outwardly proud of. I think Tyra even said at outset to YaYa that her intelligence is something she has to 'overcome' because people may not like her for it. Ironically I don't even find Tyra herself all that likeable. So I cant help but think it is uber silly & pompous of her to put down YaYa for this. In many environments YaYa would be better liked than Tyra.
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 5:32 pm
I think it is not necessarily Yaya's intelligence that is at issue, but her constant references to her superiority in every way. One of the reasons I liked Elyse was because she was so intelligent and was very natural with it, not "in your face" like Yaya.
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Monday, December 13, 2004 - 12:10 pm
I COMPLETELY agree, Catfat! Buggles: I would say, it's not so much that intelligence is being criticized. The message they seem to give out time and time again is, "Don't flaunt anything. If you're outwardly proud of your race/religion/intellect/rebellious nature/etc great, but shut up about it and just do what is expected of you" And while some people who do flaunt what they are most proud of can be annoying, not everyone is. Why deter it so much? Look at Tyra. She pretty much uses this show as a forum to flaunt herself. I agree with you that it sends out the wrong message.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 12:37 am
Look at Tyra. She pretty much uses this show as a forum to flaunt herself I agree. Every judging session starts with a pic of Tyra modeling in a similar scenario as the task the girls had to do earlier that week. This has always seemed puzzling to me. WHY?? It isnt like the girls can learn anything from a pic AFTER the task has been performed. It seems Narsistic to me that Tyra needs to reinforce 'that she can do it better' infront of the girls before ripping their pics apart as part of judgement. Just my perceptions. Maybe others see it differently.
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