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Archive through December 25, 2003

The TVClubHouse: American Idol/Canadian Idol/Other Talent Shows ARCHIVES: World Idol: World Idol--Dec 25th: ARCHIVES: Archive through December 25, 2003 users admin

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Scorpiomoon

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 12:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Raise your hand if you see yourself watching Fox on Christmas and New Year's Day to see 11 Idol winners battle it out.

Here's the details

Roteach

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 3:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ah, Scorpio, you know that I will tune in.

Kitt

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 4:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think I might too, it seems the sort of easy going Christmas afternoon thing I'd watch :). Plus it'd be interesting to see other countries' idols.

Mak1

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 4:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I love to hear pop music from other countries. I'll be watching or taping it.

Realbiz

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 5:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
should be interesting to see lots of talent! will be either watching or taping. even they don't all sing in english, music should be universal!

Bracken

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 7:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Me too! If I have to stay home to vote, I will. I just wonder how the voting is going to be done. Seems to me that the US would have more people than most other countries, so that would stack the deck in favor of Kelly.

If any of you want to hear Ryan Malcolm's Song (winner of Canadian Idol). See link below. I love the song, his voice is just OK as far as I am concerned. Maybe he is like Clay Aiken and better live. I know absolutely nothing about the others except that I understand the runner up in the UK contest is doing better with album sales than the winner.

Here's the link to Ryan Malcolm's song - Something More.
Sorry, I don't know how to hide the link information.

http://vikrecordings.com/ryanmalcolm/media/somethingmore_full_vidlo.ram

Wilsonatmd

Saturday, November 15, 2003 - 9:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
since the show is going to be based in London, the bookies already have posted odds as to who's going to win.....

USA ( Kelly Clarkson ) 5/2

United Kingdom ( Will Young ) 3/1

Australia ( TBA-either Guy Sebastian or Shannon Noll) 6/1

South Africa ( Heinz Winckler ) 8/1

Germany ( Alexander Klaws ) 8/1

Netherlands ( Jamai Loman ) 10/1

Canada ( Ryan Malcolm ) 10/1

Poland ( Alicia Janosz ) 14/1

Belgium ( Peter Evrad ) 14/1

Norway ( Kurt Nilsen ) 20/1

Lebanon ( Diana Karazon ) 20/1

There are several schools of thought as to how the voting will work. The most common one is, You won't be able to vote for your own country but you would vote for the other 10, and based on the percentage of votes, they would be ranked- first in a country gets 10 points, 2nd gets 9, and so on down to 10th gets one (since you can't vote for your own country, best possible score would be 100 with 10 1st place votes), and most points would win. Any tie would decided by best average percentage of votes (not number of votes-since the US would have many more votes than say, Poland).

Jasonfan

Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 3:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That sounds like a reasonable system. But, how are they going to handle the language issue? Is it fair to assume the English speaking performers have an advantage b/c more Europeans speak English than North Americans speak a European language? Or, do all of the idols perform in English? Just curious.

Muse

Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 9:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm surprised Will Young's odds are so good. Personally I think Ryan Malcom (the only other one I've heard, besides Kelly) is much better. But then again, I've only heard a few songs from each.

I don't think I'll have a chance to watch both episodes when they originally air, but I'll probably record it. :)

Kitt

Monday, November 17, 2003 - 3:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Will Young's singles have been out all across Europe, so he already has followers there at least, so I should think that will give him a bit of an advantage and is probably why he has such good odds. I don't know if other "Idols" have released records in countries other than their own. I don't even know if Kelly has!

Wilsonatmd

Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 1:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kelly's songs have done pretty well in the UK and Australia, so she's got an advantage there...Will Young's odds are probably good because he has home-field advantage, as the show is in London (even if the UK people can't vote for him). A lot is going to depend on how they decide on the voting structure.


BTW, Guy Sebestian won Australian Idol last night there, so he's their representative.

Tatyana

Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 4:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Go Ryan! ;)

Kitt

Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 10:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Does anyone know when the results show is on? It isn't listed in my guide for the 26th.

Skootz

Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 5:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
New Years Day

Go Ryan!

Kitt

Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh, right, thanks Skootz, I thought it was the next day, not the next week.

I haven't heard Ryan's song. I don't know if Will Young's doing his latest single or the first one. This current song is a little strange, but he performs it well (and for some reason I find him very fascinating to watch). I think Kelly's single is better though. I haven't heard any of the other countries' idols.

Ladybug007

Friday, December 19, 2003 - 9:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kelly Delivers 'Trilling' Performance
Original "American Idol" champ Kelly Clarkson is the clear favorite
to win "World Idol," the contest pitching 11 winners of the
reality TV show from around the globe, PEOPLE reports from London,
where the show is being taped this week. But her performance
also set off a rivalry between the U.S. and Canada, as American-based
judge Simon Cowell slammed his Canadian counterpart Zack Werner,
who declared that Clarkson had "shouted" rather than had sung
parts of her rendition of her song, "Natural Woman." During
the program, which airs on FOX Dec. 25 (after which viewers will
cast their vote for the winner, to be announced on a Jan. 1 show
that will also feature a performance by Elton John), Cowell comes
to blows with Werner, telling him, "You are not fit to judge her.
There is a huge gulf (between Clarkson and the rest)." British
TV judge Pete Waterman (the man who launched Aussie sensation
Kylie Minogue's career) applauded Clarkson, but added, "The thing
that drives me nuts about you is how you go all over the place
with all those trills and frills." Clarkson took in his judgment
and replied, "My Mom hates it when I trill." She also said she
gets carried away with the emotion of it all and sings where the
tunes take her. After her performance and assessment at the
hands of 10 judges (Cowell, as the U.S. representative, does not
judge her), Clarkson told British presenters, Ant and Dec (real
names: Anthony McPartlin and Declan Donnelly), that returning to
the "Idol" stage was spine-tingling -- and that once again hearing
the title music was "nightmarish." Clarkson, 21, is pitted
against another established star, 24-year-old Will Young from the
U.K., and such lesser-known Idols as Norway's Kurt Nilsen, a
former plumber. The show also includes Diana Karzon, 19, who
is representing the Pan Arabic region of 11 countries. She sang
"Ensani Ma Binsak" in Arabic, which was praised by the judges for
the fact that it brought her language to the contest. Belgian
Peter Evrard, 28, bravely tackled a hard rock anthem, Nirvana's
"Lithium." The newest Idol -- charismatic Guy Sebastian, 22,
from Australia -- only won his country's contest five weeks ago
but is considered a favorite. He sang a jaunty version of "What a
Wonderful World." Cowell, referring to the Australian's
defeat by the English in the recent rugby world cup, told Sebastian:
"After the fiasco of your rugby attempt, you made up for it."

Shelb724

Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 4:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i think its interesting that they are showing this on christmas day. i'm glad! i'm jewish, so it really gives me something to look forward to on a day that only has bsketball all day :). it will be interesting to see how kelly clarkson does against the world's best. i don't know that she was the best to win american idol (loved tamira). but that's just my opinion, i know there are many others who love her to pieces :).

Maris

Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 4:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
They would wheel me straight to bellevue if I turned this show on on December 25th with 15 people in my house. lol. Oh wait.........I have DVR.

Wilsonatmd

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 7:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OK...here's how the voting will work.

You won't be able to vote for your own country's person. Thus, the US people can't vote for Kelly. However, each of the singers will be awarded points based on how well they do in the other countries. They get 12 points from their own country automatically, and the other 10 singers are ranked on a 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 scale. 10 points for first, etc. The maximum score a person could get is 112-12 from your own country, and 1st place votes from the other 10 countries. Thus here in the US, Kelly gets 12 points from the US but can't be voted on, as it's assumed that she'd get the most votes by default. Whever gets the most votes from us gets 10 points from the US, 9 for 2nd, and so on. The same is true in the other 10 countries. The home person gets 12 points, and Kelly can get a maximum of 10 points in each of the other countries for a total of 100 points, then 12 points from the US=112 points possible.

Roteach

Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for the voting info. Now, who else in this group should we be looking for? Does anyone know if there are any standouts in the group?

Llkoolaid

Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 8:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well I was in a very small minority when Canadian Idol was on but I don't think Ryan Malcolm is any good at all. Kind of embarassing for me to have him representing our country when we had so really amazing talent on that show and for some quirky reason this guy wins. He was horrible on the Idol Christmas show but so was Kelly and Rueban. Clay and Kim stole the show. Can't wait to see the show though, and am hoping that Kelly sings like she did when she was on American Idol.
Since Rueben is the current American Idol does anyone know why he isn't representing America?

Wilsonatmd

Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
revised odds from the bookmakers as of today...

USA ( Kelly Clarkson ) 5/4

United Kingdom ( Will Young ) 2/1

Australia ( Guy Sebastian ) 4/1

Canada ( Ryan Malcolm ) 10/1

Norway ( Kurt Nilsen ) 12/1

South Africa ( Heinz Winckler ) 15/1

Germany ( Alexander Klaws ) 15/1

Netherlands ( Jamai Loman ) 20/1

Poland ( Alicia Janosz ) 25/1

Belgium ( Peter Evrad ) 25/1

Lebanon ( Diana Karazon ) 30/1


Llkoolaid-The people chosen were all winners from the first season of their respective countries shows. Most countries haven't had a second season yet. (Austraila's first season ended just a few weeks ago, and the UK's second season finale was last Saturday, after the World Idol program was taped)

Roteach

Wednesday, December 24, 2003 - 8:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for the odds and for bumping this thread up so people won't forget to tune in.

Puttergirl

Thursday, December 25, 2003 - 5:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oops, see next one

Puttergirl

Thursday, December 25, 2003 - 5:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
On tonight! How about doing a mini-POLL for it. After watching tonight, rank how you think the 11 idols will finish. Below are the idols and how they will be rated. I'll give 5 points for playing and 5 points for each one you get correct. You have to have your picks in by showtime, Eastern time, on NY's day.

worldidol1
worldidol2
worldidol3

How players will be rated:

Each country gets to vote using their own voting systems. The home contestant from each participating country will automatically start with the highest points (12) awarded from their own country. Viewers from each country will then vote on the remaining ten contestants and once the votes are tallied and the position of each contestant is determined (1st place, 2nd place etc.) points will be awarded in accordance with the Points System below.

Points System:
Home country contestant - 12 points.
1st place - 10 points.
2nd place - 9 points.
3rd place - 8 points.
4th place - 7 points.
5th place - 6 points.
6th place - 5 points.
7th place - 4 points.
8th place - 3 points.
9th place - 2 points.
10th place - 1 point.

The points each Idol gets from all of the countries will be tallied and added together by an independent vote management company to determine their overall position in the contest.