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Chief1
Member
08-18-2003
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 7:29 am
Laura, Sara really IS the prettiest. She's elegant without trying, you know? I think she has what it takes, too. I went to the website to view their portfolios, and Sara is the only one with perfect "shoots" every time. Yoanna looked cute on her shoot as Audrey Hepburn, but that's about it. She's trying, I think, but just doesn't have it. My choices would be: Camille, Sara, Mercedes I chatted with Xiomara yesterday, and it was pretty cool. She seemed humbled by the experience and is wishing the rest of the girls luck. (That was the note she was writing on her way out.) She says she has received some offers, and plans to accept some, and continue this for a couple of years before expanding to new ventures. She also said: * Catie apologized to her after that one incident, * Camille gave her a new set of earrings, * Heather was the messiest (but she liked her), * There was some jealousy (she didn't want to call a name), * Shandi is her favorite, and really good friend, and, * She is working on her eyes bugging out (it only happens when she's nervous).
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 10:15 am
Chief1: Thanks for the info! I know how freakin' painful it is to sit through those chats. The tidbits you had the patience to gather and share are appreciated. 
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 1:03 pm
Saw this on TheSmokingGun.com about Shandi's record: http://thesmokinggun.com/archive/shandi1.html
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 1:13 pm
Thanks for the link, YIC! As far as mug shots go, she looks pretty good. No offense to Shandi, but if she was doing a b&e at a candy store, besides stealing money for drugs, why didn't she steal some candy too? This happened three years ago. She got two years probation. I don't know a whole lot about law--nor American law--but now that her probation is over, does that mean she can travel outside of the country? I was thinking, will Shandi be able to go to Paris if she is in the final four and they go overseas just as they did last year? Getting probation means you don't have a criminal record, right?
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 1:50 pm
If her probation is finished she should be free to travel as far as the US is concerned. Was she convicted of a felony? If so, it's possible the French goverenment could object, but that would be their laws not the US's. It seems like such a minor offense wouldn't be objectionable by any, especially for a temporary visit for work purposes - but I really don't know. About the only right I know of that some states restrict is the right to vote. In some states felons are not allowed to vote even after serving their full sentence and probation. Other states don't have such restrictions - just depends on where you live.
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Jan
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 6:57 pm
If I remember correctly (and with CRS, I don't always do so ), we had a Canadian Idol finalist who was disqualified last year because she had a criminal record for drugs. She had served her time and the Idol people were perfectly willing to keep her...BUT she could NOT travel to the USA with a criminal record for drugs. Since the finalists all had to go to Las Vegas for a show with Celine Dion, this girl was disqualified from the competition. In that case, it was the USA laws that got her disqualified so, I guess in this case it would be the French laws that would apply as Gina said ?
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Chief1
Member
08-18-2003
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:04 am
Yankee, thanks for the link! So,with everything we've learned about Shandi, do you all think it will hurt her chances? It's almost like starting out with a checkered past. I'm wondering if they will let her continue for a little while, and then let her go before the end. I was thinking they might do the same thing in Mercedes' situation. Personally, I don't think they should, but these reality shows do seem to consider which candidate will protect the integrity of the show. It wouldn't be fair to Shandi or Mercedes, but I have a suspicion that the judges will handle it delicately. Please share your opinions.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:36 pm
Thanks to you both, Chief and Yankee, for the tidbits and the link.
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Chief1
Member
08-18-2003
| Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 8:59 pm
Tonight's show was VERY good. I absolutely loved the commercial shoot on the high wires! What I really would have liked, however, was for Camille to have been at the introduction and first half of the acting coach's lesson. She missed out on the most important part of the lesson, which kept her from truly understanding what was expected of her. But I have to give her credit for putting her health first. She has gorgeous features, and a smile to brighten a whole room! I just hope she gains more strength from some noted constructive criticism. April is moving smoothly along, and takes guidance with such ease! I'm impressed!
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 9:08 pm
Well, Chief, aren't you going to tell us how it came out? Who got booted? We need details!!
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Not1worry
Member
07-30-2002
| Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 9:18 pm
Cat, it was.... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Catie!! Camille was at the end with her, and I'm torn between who I wanted to see eliminated more. Just let Camille go SOON please. She is so delusional it is creepy. I thought Shandi's beauty shot was wonderful. Guess I don't know zip about modeling?
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 10:06 pm
Yep. Chief was right. Tonight's show was great. The commercial was so ccol! I can't freakin' believe Catie had to bring a dark cloud to the experience by getting upset. Well, at least she didn't burst into tears like before. Camille has got to go. If she thinks she is so freakin' "unique" and knows better than anyone else, then why is she on this show? Why hasn't she forged out a career on her own? You'd think if anyone could suck it up and perform for the camera even with a swollen lip it would have been Camille. But she couldn't. Bye bye, Catie. Thank God she's gone. I wish Shandi had as much drive as April.
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Fluff
Member
07-25-2002
| Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 8:03 am
I'm starting to like Camille. That girl is one tough cookie. But that accent was hilarious!
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Sweetbabygirl
Member
08-31-2002
| Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 9:01 am
HEYYYYYYYYYYYYY!! Did it come on at an earlier time? I tuned in at 9 p.m. but got a freakin' hockey game. Glad that Catie's gone!
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Seaworthy
Member
01-29-2004
| Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 9:49 am
Glad to see April doing so well, Sara is drop-dead gorgeous, Shandi is really holding her own, Catie HAD to go !!!! and Camille's exit can't happen soon enough to suit me.

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Avrey258
Member
06-23-2002
| Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 12:17 pm
Can someone fill me in on why the judges keep saying that Yoanna's body doesn't cut it? I know that I have seen every episode and I can't figure it out. I think Yoanna has the most amazing face. I do not like her hair at all though. I really hated it when the women had to do some "acting" in front of the judges. It's so silly. What exactly are we suppose to get from that. Also, did anyone catch what Tyra said last night about actresses gracing the covers of magazines? She implied that if you could be a model and an actress you would be a double threat. Oh Tyra! Like Cindy Crawford in Fair Game? Seriously, why aren't models happy just being models? Not everyone is meant to be an actress.
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Yankee_in_ca
Member
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 12:30 pm
Here are my thoughts from this week: I would LOVE to be up on those wires for that commercial. That looked sooo cool! At this point, my predictions are for an April/Shandi final. I think Shandi because she is soooo thin and does have that unusual look that will work for high fashion, and April because she embodies the "Top Model" ideals that Tyra seems to want -- she's a hard worker, she's a representative of a cultural America, and while I don't find her too overwhelmingly interesting looking in person, that woman can NOT take a bad picture. She looks completely stunning in her photos IMO. When you watch her posing, you see she completely knows what she's doing, too. Personally for me, I think Yoanna is the most spectacular, looks-wise (personality is another issue, but I'm only talking about looks here). I think her fashion sense too is excellent -- if I were thinner, I would definitely wear some of the things that she does. (Actually, I do wear some things like that now but I don't look that good ) Regarding Yoanna's body, I think it was mentioned before that it was not taut. In the nude bodysuit earlier in the season she seemed to be "square" in the torso. I don't know. That's all I can come up with. I wish I looked that good is all I can say. Catie ... meh. Camille -- I don't see where she's as evil as everyone says. I sort of feel sorry for her. Mercedes -- cute in person. Stunning in photos. But still she seems too "cute" for top fashion to me. But I wouldn't mind if she went far Sara -- I love her sleepy eyes, her little accent. She reminds me so much of a friend of mine. I don't see her making it to the end, but she is stunning. But that short denim skirt at the elimination last night -- yuck-ee. But I still say it's an April/Shandi finish.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 1:23 pm
This episode just brought out a lot of sympathy in me for the most hated contestants. Camille First - boy - How would I feel if my lips swelled up during a model competition? That would suck! Lips are often the first to go when you are having an allergic reaction to something. I felt for her here. Second - I DETEST the histrionics that actors love to wallow in. I was in the drama club in high school because I loved the back stage stuff - but boy oh boy did the actor types get on my nerves. I totally related to her keeping her cool during that whole acting thing. I was totally gigling when all the girls were just bawling to each other. I guess I come from the bottle it all up and don't show emotions to strangers type of up bringing. And deep kissing a guy I just met in front of an audience? Not gonna happen. LOL. Third - Can this girl do anything more to screw up on this show? Ever choice she makes is the wrong one (or, for that matter - the choices made for her). Getting her hair re-done in a rather unflattering black with bangs. (Her braids in a lighter shade looked much better on her.) Coming in late to the acting, made her miss the 'I love historonics' part of the lesson, leaving her cold later on. Last ep - protraying herself as the winner of ANTM during the 60 sec make-up sell. Changing her lines during the acting sequence. The judges complaining she has no neck in the one photo they selected. (Hey guys, why not select one where she has a neck? LOL.) Being polite to everyone and refusing to make harsh judgements of anyone being interpreted as a bad thing. It is hilarious, that absolutly nothing ever goes her way. Yes, it's often her fault - but most folks catch a break once in a while. She's caught NONE. (Well, except that she's never eliminated. LOL) Then there is Catie. Honestly I was very happy to go, she's a drama queen extrodinaire. And I couldn't believe when the judges put up the two contestants that add the most drama against each other during the elims. Shocking! Ok, I really only have one sympathy for Catie. I really doubt if any person wrote up the top 10 requirements to be a good model that any one of them would be: Able to deal well with heights. Two comps that have to deal with heights? That was just rediculous. LOL. Bye Catie!
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Realfan
Member
08-08-2001
| Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 1:52 pm
"I was alone for not one, not two, but six months!" Yeesh. Yeah, right, Camille. You're SUCH a good actress you can make up your own lines! Gotta agree, Gina, about the height fear. These Fear Factor competitions are getting ridiculous. We haven't even had a swimsuit photo shoot yet! But we've hung the girls by wires twice. What did Catie do in the air? I didn't see movement of any kind.
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Yuhuru
Member
09-27-2001
| Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 2:09 pm
I'm not a big Catie fan, BUT I thought it was ridiculous that they commented that she looked like a boy, when it was their expert's idea to cut her hair that way. She will look like a boy until that stuff grows out.
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Scorpiomoon
Member
06-06-2002
| Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 2:38 pm
YIC & Gina: I really do want to share your sympathy for Camille. You guys make good, valid points. But man, while she hasn't had an easy time of it, she's also created strife for herself. It's totally cool to have confidence, but, I think, one should also have a humility. As much as I dislike Tyra, the woman does have humility. Camille comes across as someone who seems to have tunnel vision about herself and just isn't open to seeing beyond it. The other impression I get is, in Camille's life, I'm guessing she gets a lot of attention and gets what she wants. Whenever I watch her, I keep getting the feeling she's very much a fish out of water--being just another girl in a group is not what she's used to. If I'm right, it's not her fault per se, but she could be handling it better.
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Jhezzie
Member
07-05-2001
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 1:44 am
Glad to see the <> go, but it could have been either of them and it would have been ok with me, lol. Camille needs to humble herself and realize that she will be one of a gazillion wannabes and the ones that work hard, take direction and learn, learn, learn are the ones that maybe get somewhere. Maybe. Other than that, I think Tyra's big drama at every elimination is my fave part of the show. She cracks me up! She and <> Janice.
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Eacollins
Member
10-30-2003
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 6:35 am
Does Janice remind anyone else of Patsy Stone in AB FAB?
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Chief1
Member
08-18-2003
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:10 am
I agree with you, Realfan, when you said, "What did Catie do in the air? I didn't see movement of any kind." That's proof enough for me, and what a lot of people have been saying all along. This show is edited to the extreme. Yankee, your post about April is so true! She really does take gorgeous photos. What a true model she's turning out to be. I can see her going far in this business. And Gina, I agree with you,too. Something's definitely wrong with this picture created for Camille. Even though she has created some of her own drama, she hasn't received ONE good break! I totally feel for her, and can't imagine what she must be feeling about having to take so much criticism, so often. She's really impressed me, both with her modeling skills as well as her ability to hold it together under such pressure. I'm in the medical field, and totally understand what allergic reactions are about. I applaud her for seeking medical attention,since it could very well have turned into a more severe reaction if left untreated. But during a recent conversation about the show, it was suggested that there is something deep-rooted and hurtful to Camille, which she is trying to hide. For her, it may be necessary to create a barrier from emotions, and to present herself to the world as capable and confident. This is apparently her coping mechanism. We just don't know if she's overdoing it, or if the producers elected to use this for ratings (to depict the girls' different personalities). She seems more like someone who may have been told she would never be good enough, too often, than a girl who was encouraged and accepted. We're really rooting for her, as the underdog now!
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Idolworship
Member
05-07-2003
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 9:50 am
I do love this show...but two things have driven me nuts: 1. Catie had real elegance, until they chopped off her hair. At her age, that was devastating to her self-image, and guaranteed her demise. 2. Get a bra, Judge Janice!! We just don't need to see those things, in such vivid detail.
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