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Scorpiomoon

Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 11:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm going to make notes as I watch.

It's hard not comparing these guys to the previous bunch. So far, I'm not seeing an underdog like Adrienne was. And, at this point, I'm not seeing any owerpowering, memoriable personalities like Robin and the bald chick were.

I miss Elise!

So many of these girls seem way more ambitious than the ones from last season. I get the impression, for many of them, being on the show is just a stepping stone, not a "dream come true" as it was for Adrienne.

At least the producers were smart enough to not start out with the auditions again. That was a good move. I noticed, right off the bat, they still have Tyra doing those annoying and obvious added-on voiceovers. And Tyra seems to be more sassy and more dramatic (read more annoying) than last season.

Is it just me or does Anna look a lot like Shania Twain?

Stealing toilet paper from Tavern on the Green? Oh geez. Camille may seem like she is diva-ish, but she made good points when she was criticizing the other girls while they were out for dinner.

The elimination:

Why did Anna sign up for this? She had to have known there'd be shoots like this. And while her reasoning was noble, it was frustrating to watch.

And freakin' Janice. When Anna said, "It just isn't lady-like" and Janice put her head down on the table and then said, "It's about your religion isn't it?" I could have slapped her. Janice wouldn't know and understand "lady-like" if came up and kicked Janice in the butt. (Beep) you, Janice.

And I am so SICK of yet AGAIN seeing old photos of Janice in her modeling heyday. Besides getting plastic surgery, isn't there anything else she's done with her life?

Maybe it's too soon to tell, but right now, I'm feeling like it will be all about the face and not the personality (because many of these girls don't seem to have one).

I think Sara is the most attractive. I'll root for her. I'll also root for Shandi simply because she's the closest thing to an underdog and I'd like to see her blossom.

Not1worry

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 6:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh, I forgot about the stealing TP thing. I actually give points to Camille for criticizing that. Why on earth? Poor Shandi, she needs to go to finishing school.

I can't wait for the girls to get their hair done. They are going to be thrilled to get their hands on Shandi's mop. I wonder if they will drastically cut anyone's hair.

Sara is one of the most attractive, but she didn't seem to do well on the shoot.

I think we are going to see a lot more personalities come out as we narrow down the girls.

I'm glad you posted Scorpio, I was feeling alone. LOL.

Faerygdds

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 8:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OK... LOVED the show. Didn't realize how much I missed it.

Having said that.....

Tyra was driving me nuts. I can't believe they THREW these girls on the runway with NO training and then JUDGED them by it!!! I mean REALLY -- use it as a training tool so the girls can see themselves, but don't JUDGE them on it!!!

Some of those photos were AMAZING! I loved the "costumes"! I also don't understand why Anna signed up. She HAD to know that there would be at LEAST one nude shoot. I said it last year and I'll say it again. You always have the right to refuse a shoot, but you have to give the photographer what they want or they will find someone else to do the shoot. Law of the Jungle!

Although I hated Janice and her "religion" thing. I have to admit I laughed out loud. She was SO remembering Shannon and Robin from last year. I think she knew that this COULD only be the beginning. However, for this to have ousted her on her first day over the girl who was LATE tells me that there are probably more nude shoots and the judges "spared" her from them.

I also Like Shandi and Catie. Shandie is that diamond in the rough that I like. Catie has that child like innocent thing going on. I hope they do well.

Hoosiergirl

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Can someone explain why Tyra referred to Anna as a "plus size" all night? I thought plus size started at a 14 (you know, the actual size of the average woman).

Compared to the other girls, Anna looked like she's no more than an 8.

I predict many smackdowns for Camille.

Not1worry

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 9:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hoosier, to me all the "plus sizes" look slender. Robin last season had bigger thighs, but I still didn't consider it "plus size". Janice will never let a bigger girl win.

My impression after the 1st episode is that Xiomara, Bethany, and possibly Jen don't have a chance to win.

As a guess, I think the top 4 could be Mercedes, Catie, Camille and maybe Shandi. They will probably be going for a different look than Adrienne.

I truly don't think Anna's refusal to do the nude shoot was what got her eliminated. Robin and Shannon didn't do it last season and they finished 4th and 2nd. Her failure to explain herself to the judges and the fact that modeling was never going to be her obsession were the biggest problems. This nude shoot was actually "worse" (as far as being a problem morally) than last season. Remember when they offered Shannon and Robin flesh colored tube tops and thongs? And there were no naked men at crotch level either.

I pretty much ignore Tyra when she's yapping. But as far as judging them on their walks, they knew this was a modeling show. Practice walking in high heels! The judges didn't expect them to be perfect, but I do believe they wanted to see confidence.

Can everyone come over and watch it with me next week? It would be so fun, I'll make snacks and we can throw things at Camille when she gets snotty.

Scorpiomoon

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Faerygdds: I agree! Throwing them up on stage, in front of an auidence--of all-men--was a little extreme.

Not1worry: Now that you mention it, I think you're right about the refusal not being the sole reason. And not only was this shoot "worse" as you said, having it be their very FIRST ONE was a little over the top.

I can understand them not wanting to do a repeat of last year's show, wanting to shake things up and make the show even more dramatic, but for me, watching someone who can barely swim being thrown into an ocean and told to swim or drown isn't fun to watch.

Hopefully all this stuff was used in the first episode to draw people into the show and things will get more "real" in upcoming shows.

It really is too bad we don't live closer, Not1! There's so few of us here who appreciate the show. It would be so much to watch it together.

Realfan

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I hate Janice, but when she asked Miss Georgia Peach if it was about religion, and GP denied it, then said it wouldn't be "Christ-like," I really groaned. Uh, hello?? I did like the girl, though. You could see when Tyra talked about having to want it badly that she was thinking of how she (rightly) values her family more. I wish she could have been around longer because she WAS married and a mom.

I liked the surprise early catwalk exercise. It was sort of a make or break thing--see if their idea of being a model is really what they think they want to do, and see how they do under the pressure. I don't think their actual walk had that much to do with the judges' final decision.

And I am always amazed these people never practice beforehand. Like over on Survivor, when the non-swimmers don't take swimming lessons!! Duh!

I think Tyra has a gift for casting extreme personalities. We're going to see some big conflicts come up--and we already did.

I'm torn on the late girl thing. I could so have been the girl sleeping in--I am a deadhead in the morning. Though I would be more inclined to sleep restlessly and hear the others getting ready if I was in a strange environment. Nevetherless, regardless of what any other girl said about squeezing my toes, I would have set my own alarm clock. Foolish not to.

I wish the girl who had received her help (April?) earlier had demanded the car wait five minutes for her to run up and shake the girl awake, at least. And if the car felt compelled to leave, she could have taken a cab and been only 5-10 minutes later than the first batch--and would have paid back the late girl for her help earlier.

The plus size thing is ridiculous, but so is the petite thing!! I am so sure!! 5'6" isn't petite!! That girl is a half foot taller than me. I AM petite at 5'0". True petite is supposed to be 5'4" and under--except in the faux world of modeling, apparently.

Scorpiomoon

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 11:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Realfan: After reading your post, I realized I have got to stop comparing this season to last.

You're so right about what April should have done re: waking up the girl who helped her. It's too bad it was one of those stressful situations where one only sees things in black and white and doesn't think of creative options.

Curious1

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I watched this show last night too and I really liked it! I didn't watch the last series so this is all new to me.

I was shocked that Tyra not only told Anna that she was 'plus size' but she also told Heather (the young blond girl) that she was borderline plus size too and that she either needed to gain a few pounds or loose a few pounds! The girl is 5'10" and weighs 135 pounds! Is that plus size to all of you? To me she is fairly tall and at 5'5" I'd be happy to weigh 135 and certainly wouldn't consider myself plus size then!

Anyway, I'm rooting for Heather because she is from a fairly small city in California where I lived for several years. But I honestly think that Sara is the prettiest. I am also really pulling for Shandi because I think she is so pretty but she lacks the self-confidence to come out of her shell.

Ark

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Curious, My daughter is 5'11" and weighs 130. Her friends on the basketball team call her Sticky because she looks like a stick. Many people have suggested that she should be a model. No one has ever suggested that she should be a plus size model. The thought is rediculous.


I forgot this show was on and missed the first half of it. I'm hoping it will be on again tonight so I can catch it all.

Curious1

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 11:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh also, there is a live chat with Anna on the UPN site today (wednesday) at 2:30pm ET, 11:30am PT if anyone is interested.
http://www.upn.com/shows/top_model2/index.shtml

Scorpiomoon

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm bored and doing nothing today. I'll check out the chat and report back in.

Thanks, Curious1.

Yankee_In_Ca

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 12:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thought the "plus-sized" thing for both Anna and Heather was RIDICULOUS. Absolutely RIDICULOUS. I understand that Anna might not be as stick-thin as most models, which I guess makes her "plus-sized;" however, it's more than a little sad when a size 6 or 8 (which is what Anna looked like to me) is considered plus-sized. I was appalled.

Scorpiomoon

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 1:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm in the chat right now. It is torture! People are so immature!

She said she didn't know there'd be a nude shoot. She said, she thought there might be, but hoped there wouldn't.

Anna's response to the plus-sized model thing:

"In the modeling world I am consdiered that because I am 5'8 and 130lbs but in the real world I am considered average. I plan to bring curves back into the modeling world. Curves are coming back in and I plan to be a part of that change."

Anna said she sees herself as a role model and believes her appearance on ANTM will take her to "higher levels".

She said she liked getting to know Tyra because Tyra is very business minded and Anna admired that.

Someone asked her if she has signed with an agency. Her reply, "You'll have to watch the show to find out"

(Interesting.)

She said she and her husband discussed nude shoots beforehand and they agreed she wouldn't do them.

When asked about the runaway experience, she said she was excited and had done runway work in 1997 and was excited to do it again.

Curious1 asked about the toilet paper! Judging from Anna's answer (they weren't going to get a chance to go to the store), that scene wasn't a set-up.

She said she had no unpleasent experiences with the girls.

She modelled a bit once out of high school, stopped, went to college and is doing it again now.

She said she did watch last season.

(WTF? And she claims to still not have known about nude shoots?)

When asked if she thought it was fair that Robin and Shannon declined to do nude, but still advanced, Anna said it was fair.

Someone asked if she would have posed nude had she not been a wife and mother. Her response:

"...But I were 18 or 20 I would have posed nude then. But thank God I have come to another level in my life and I have matured."

(So, is she saying women who choose to pose nude are immature?)

She keeps referring to herself as a "positive role model for moms and girls". (Three times in 45 minutes.)

She thought the judges were fair.

She plans on doing every kind of modeling.

When asked, "Do you feel you eat, sleep and breathe modeling?" She said, "I put God first."

She said she's a mini celeb in her town.

She said:

"I want to be remembered as the strong woman who didn't change her mind or compromise her integrity."

(Question: In 5 seconds or less, can you remember the name of the first person eliminated from last season? I don't understand why she believes her presence on merely one episode is going to stick in the minds of everyone.)

It's over! Thank God!

Curious1

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 1:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just got out of the chat with Anna and I got to ask 4 different questions, how cool!

Anyway a couple of things she said that I found interesting was that in the modeling world 5'8" and 130 pounds is the standard for "plus-size". I think that is so ridiculous though!

Also, she said that she had no regrets about not doing the shoot. And she felt that the judges treated her fairly.

I asked her if she watched last season and she said that she did and that Andrienne was her favorite. She also said her and her husband had agreed before she went on the show that she wouldn't pose nude. She said too that she hoped Shandi would get the most out of this experience and that she liked all the girls but felt that Catie was the nicest to her.

Oh yeah I did ask about the toilet paper, ha-ha! She said the girls didn't know if they'd get a chance to go to the store to get more!

Overall it was a good chat, I did have to put alot of the immature people in the chatroom on ignore though!

Roteach

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 3:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OH poop, I missed it. I surely hope the first episode airs again tonight. I will check. That's what I get for watching NCIS and Frazier.

Jan

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 3:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Not1 I wish I could come here and watch it with you. It would be fun..but, like Scorpio , I tape the show on Tuesday and watch 24 (on Wednesday I watch West Wing so that's no good for me either!)

I am watching the tape now and am agreeing with what everyone said. I also think that the half Persian girl is BEAUTIFUL (Sara is it?) and that April should have awakened Sleeping Beauty as she did help her.

I think two of them are not beautiful at all but maybe it is just my oldfashioned idea of beauty

Catfat

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 4:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Catalog models and department store ads usually have girls who are more nearly Anna's shape.
The models for haute couture, runway, and fashion mags (such as Vogue and Bazaar)are the ones who are so very tall and razor thin. Two who are not quite so tall are Kate Moss and Lauren Hutton, but both are still very thin. Since most of us will never wear pricey high fashion clothes anyway, I don't think it should matter to the rest of us what size the models are. That is what they prefer, it is the look they are going for.
As to doing nudity, I don't feel it is immoral. I am glad the Jesus-wannabee is gone, I got enough of that last season.
And the modeling on the aircraft carrier, I think that was a way of judging poise, whether or not they could deal with an unexpected situation with grace and the maturity needed to be onstage.

Not1worry

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 5:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
A poster on TWoP did point out that it's possible the girls did not know the address of the photo shoot. Perhaps if April went to wake up Jen, and the van left, she wouldn't have known where to take a cab. Just another viewpoint.

I went to the UPN site and looked at each girl's photo gallery. Some of their photos are awful, and not just the candid shots. I thought some of the girls might not look so hot in everyday life, but when they were fixed up they would look great. I remember Adrienne could look very rough sometimes, but she always photographed wonderfully. I don't see that yet with some of these chicks.

Pamy

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 7:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I liked it and can't wait to see more.

Rslover

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 10:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
And to think the tv supposedly adds ten pounds.

I think that plus size model Emme weighs more than 130 lbs.

Kappy

Wednesday, January 14, 2004 - 11:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am once again hooked on this show. I don't have all the names down so I'm putting off comments until next week.

I, too, considered that they might not have told April the address of the shoot and that is why she was afraid to leave the limo and go back upstairs. When she asked if they would wait for her, it sounded like a silent but loud NO. I was trying to remember who, the previous night, had said they would "wake everyone up". Was that April?

Sunshyne4u

Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 12:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just looked up the criteria to be a PLUS sized model. Strangely, it isnt really about weight but clothes size....if I recall correctly plus sized is anything over size 14. The models MUST be taller than 5'8 and evenly proportioned.
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There was an interview with one of the most desired Plus sized model in a magazine I read lately. She was asked to GAIN weight as you must be over a certain weight to even be considered for getting work.(? over 180 lbs??) Anyways, my mouth dropped open when Tyra referred to the slender california girl as being borderline plus size!! I would like to see a "REAL" plus sized girl on that show next season...Robyn from last year had a beautiful face but her body was completely out of proportion (tiny top big bottom). I truly think they kept her on the show for causing tension therefore 'good tv'.

Meemo

Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 8:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
if i remember correctly it was April that volunteered to wake everyone. i know this is a competition but how can everyone be getting ready and just walk by the girl that is sleeping. it would take 1 minute to throw the covers off of her and give her one good shake. then if she did not get up someone could say "i tried". i think it looked bad on EVERYONE that they did not try to wake her up.

Hootyhoot

Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Meemo, that's just what I was thinking. Even if it is a really exciting day in their lives, are these girls SO self-absorbed that they never noticed her still sleeping? Or did every one of them think, Aha, I'm cutting the odds by one if she doesn't wake up?