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Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Here is Sandra on Regis and Kelly this morning. She did so well I thought. If I had known I was going to upload it, I would have recorded it in higher quality, but it looks fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMDmv_rW83s

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 7:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
jury and some viewers at home, who dislike the ass kicker for booting their favorites to the curb ( and often doing it while being thoroughly obnoxious) create fanciful rationales and start complimenting the stick

I do not dislike Russell because he booted my "favorite" ... I dislike Russell because of the disparaging way he talks to and about others.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 7:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I'd like to believe that the jurors may have been acknowledging their failure to embrace Sandra's strategy and rewarding her for her valiant attempt. That to me would be a better reason for voting for Sandra. However, based on their comments it seems that their vote was largely driven by their dislike of Russell and Parvati's association with Russell. The obnoxious new guy showed them up and they were going to teach him a lesson.

It's very hard for people to reward someone that they personally dislike despite the person's other achievements. It's a good lesson in life for anyone who is trying to get ahead.

Hermione69
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07-23-2002

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 7:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
I think Adven and Jimmer have man-crushes! Kinda like JanieBB6's female fans claimed girl-crushes!

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 7:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Russell keeps complaining that there is a flaw in the game, but what he fails to realize, is that he has to operate within the *rules* of the game. It's like saying he's mad to lose at poker because he doesn't get to look at what other people are holding.

If people are predisposed to not vote for people who are ugly to them, then in order to play the game, you must take that into account and make friends. Many people have played Survivor and made bold moves and even lied, yet still get the million (the porn star comes to mind, and of course the first Survivor, Richard Hatch).

But the way Russell played, with disrespect and bullying, people don't want to reward that in any way, for any reason. I can't say that's wrong, it's generally a good strategy for life to not reward mean-spirited behavior.

In other words, Russell didn't just make bold moves (and of course he did), it's the spirit with which he made the bold moves: You're an idiot, you're stupid, I own you - that's what cost him the game.

And Sandra made a few of her own. Her saving Courtney by turning Russell against Coach was brilliant also, yet she gets very little credit for her quiet manipulation of Russell. Indeed, everyone else who announced they were against Russell was targetted by him, and gone. She was against him the whole game, but he didn't take her seriously, and there she was at the end, winning.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 7:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Does anyone know how the votes were divided. Who voted for Sandra, who for Parvati...TIA

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 7:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
The thing is this: This is Survivors 20th season. Since season one the way to win is to make it to the end and have the majority of the jurors vote for you. That has not changed. IMO Russell is NOT a brilliant player because he refuses to acknowledge that his flaw is his failure in working the jury. He is adamant that it is a flaw in the game. America's choice? Pfttt. His fans are vocal and may have voted tons of times. If he wants to play that route, have it be one person, one vote ... but he and his fans would find a way around that. After all he did manage to get a bunch of
STUPID people to send him money after he lost last season.

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 7:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
Adven.....Great posts. I agree with you 100%. If Russell had been the type player they all say they wanted him to be....he would not have made it to the merge. The reason he thought Sandra was a good bet, is because if he was on the jury he would never have voted by a coattail rider.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 8:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
LOL - Russell is extremely poor at sucking up to people. He is the opposite of someone who sucks up to get ahead. He absolutely refuses to do it. In many respects that would be honorable if he wasn't so abusive as well.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 8:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Russell could have made all the great strategic moves he wanted without telling Rupert he is a dumb***, telling people they're his puppets, or threatening people if they don't do what he says. I didn't see those particular tactics work on anyone or assist him in moving forward in the game, but they certainly informed the final decision-making process. His manipulation of Tyson to get him to vote himself out was brilliant, and he lied while doing it but it didn't happen by bullying and threatening. I don't think anyone would have had a problem with that play at all. It's all the unnecessary condescension, threats, personal attacks and mean-spiritedness that make him an unlikely candidate to ever win Survivor.

Hermione69
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07-23-2002

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 8:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
It's like liberals and conservatives. Russell's fans and his nonfans will never agree, lol. It's like we are not seeing the same person or the same gameplay.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 8:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
IMO, It would be a lot less fair if the public voted for the winner like Russell wants. I think Jeff once said we actually only see less than 1% of everything they tape. So the winner would be based on their tv edit, instead of by the people who spend 24/7 of the game with them.

Adven
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02-06-2001

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 8:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Adven a private message Print Post    
I don't hope for Russell to win. I hope for Russell to be Russell. In that, he never disappoints. Before the reading of the vote last night I didn't know if I wanted him to win so I could witness the resulting crowing and self-aggrandisement or lose so we could be given an ugly clinic in poor sportsmanship. He's a lightning rod and lightning rods are a lot more interesting than the rank and file. It's why we all watch him and comment.

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Boberg a private message Print Post    
"I also think that the other players not seeing Russell's season gave him an advantage of sorts,"

Stormie I thought that also but then I thought how playing the game back to back without having time to reflect on his game and without having the opportunity to see what his problem is....which is his social game....was a big disadvantage for Russell also.

So it's six one way, and half a dozen the other...lol

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Boberg a private message Print Post    
"Russell and Parv as much as anything. Of course they are mad. As to Rupert's million....he was very popular and when he lost I think the money came from another source than the show. "


Russell was a millionaire before he EVER played Survivor. He made it in Oil. He has had his own successful business for years now.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Second prize has always been $100,000.

Second place for the first All-Stars season was reportedly $250,000 so I wouldn't be surprised if it was bumped up for this one, too.

There were also reports from TARCon that Amazing Race contracts include incentives that offer additional prize money depending on how "interesting" contestants are on the show. I'm not sure it's a good thing to do, but I wouldn't be surprised if Survivor contracts are drawn up the same way.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I think two of the jury made the most influence on the voting. Rupert clearly pointed out to the Heroes team that Sandra had tried to work with them and he (and them) messed it up. And Danielle making her battered wife comment about Parvati might also have helped switch a vote or two over.

I mentioned earlier, but there have been a few comments about it since... I believe the line where Russell said he didn't win last time was edited in by the producers because they naively believe we think this season was filmed after last season's finale. If you listen again, Russell says some comment in voiceover like "last year I brought the person I knew I could win against to the final tribal" and then the picture switched to him on the beach saying "and I didn't." I'm pretty sure that "and I didn't" came from another conversation - it's not even particularly grammatically correct. I expect the end of the sentence he started in voiceover was something like "and I've done that again this time." jmo

I'd love to see the producers called on this. As we know the Heroes v Villains season was filmed before the supposedly live reveal of the winner of Samoa last December, so either they'd have to admit to manipulating the narrative on last night's show, or admit that they revealed the votes from Samoa to Russell before/during filming of HvV, and the Samoa finale show reveal was a sham.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 9:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Great show! Great season!

Tish and Video, thanks for spoiling. My dvr and tv (I had caught up to "live" just when both went on the fritz) had problems and I missed about 15 mins. I was glad to see that what I missed was my least favorite part of any season...fallen comrades! I would have liked to see the scenery though.

I am very happy Sandra won. What we see is a highly edited show. (I think a lot of the final TC was cut.) Anyway, we see so little of the entire season. They are filmed 24/7 for 39 days. So, Russ's reasoning of the viewers voting is wrong. imo. That's why we don't vote. Part of the game is getting the jury vote, and, in fact, that is the most important part of the game. You have to study the jury and realize who will reward what when they vote. Russ is bad at that. Parvati is good at that and that is probably the main reason she won the season that she did win. Obviously, since Sandra won last night, Sandra was a bit better at that than Parv this season.

Now I realize why Russ cried at the Samoa reunion show. I always thought it was because he knew he couldn't win this season because he didn't make it to the final. Now I see that he cried because even though he didn't know 100% that he didn't win H v V season, he was fairly certain because of the way H v V final TC went plus maybe at Ponderosa after the H v V final TC he got strong indications that he didn't win.

As much as Coach annoyed me off and on this season (not as much as his season) and really annoyed me during his jury ?ing (he made it all about himself!), I agree with whoever posted above that it takes a lot for one to admit they looked like an arrogant jerk and wanted to change or change people's opinions about that.

Russ was quite annoying pointing out that he was a good player because JT made a huge mistake. And then he produced that letter! It was entertaining, esp. when JT grabbed it and threw it towards the fire. However, it doesn't say anything about Russ himself. Another player's mistake does not make another player a good player. That was JTs wrong assumption that there was an all girl alliance and merge coming soon.

Speaking of JT, I do think he deserved the award for the worst move ever. That was really dumb. However, of all five in the running for that award, at least all but James had some strategy, however flawed. Giving an immunity idol to the enemy is a really bad play, but I think James is close or maybe even tied because he could have safely played one of his two idols,I think (not 100% sure though). I think that when he was voted out with his two idols, that there were only two TCs left where those idols could be used. Even if I'm wrong, things change so fast in Survivor that it's better to risk playing them than going home, you never know what will happen and who will win immunity, so even if James would have had one TC w/o an idol where he could have used an idol, it's better not to be greedy.

I am very surprised Rupert was 2nd for fan favorite. He was not shown playing a very good game. I do like him though and found his intense confessionals this season very entertaining.

I do think Russ played a very good game, but not the best game. I do understand that he probably is really baffled he didn't win either season. I understand his reasoning that he had to play the way he played to get to the end. I don't agree with him though. From what you read in interviews with those on this season, he did not try to make personal connections with the other survivors. Candice said he was dirty ... can't remember exactly what she said, but I took it to mean that she was saying he was overly harsh and negative towards and about the other players.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 9:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
"last year I brought the person I knew I could win against to the final tribal"

I thought what Russell said was "I brought the two people..." which was very odd, because he only brought one. I was really scratching my head over that one.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 9:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
RNO Interview with Jerri


quote:

RNO: Why did you decide to vote for Parvati at the end after having initially indicated you’d probably vote for Russell?

Jerri: Russell made it very easy for me not to vote for him. When I got voted out, I really did respect the way Russell played the game… for the most part. We all make mistakes, definitely. Just judging by the decisions that Russell made and how they made a lot of sense for me as well, I was willing to give him my vote.

But sitting in the final Tribal Council and listening to him basically belittle and slap every single one of us in the face by saying things like denying that there was any luck involved in his game… We all know Survivor is 90% luck. And denying that anyone else helped him… I personally saved his butt one time specifically by choosing him over Rob. Not showing any gratitude, not being apologetic, not being respectful of all the people he had to oust. His arrogance just made me sick and there was no possible way I could give him my vote.




Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 9:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
So happy with the way things played out, with Sandra winning and Russ baffled once again. he was so offensive and clueless. If his only strategy is bullying how can he not know that's going to ultimately blow up in his face?

But I want to point out that the most offensive thing I heard last night was when Parv smirked and called Russ her PET. She did the impossible and made me feel (momentarily) sorry for him. I thought that was pretty low of her, unnecessary and cruel. He may not have trusted her at the end, but I believe he still liked and respected her and probably considered her his only true friend on the show.

Not sure if others see her the way I do, but in so many ways I see her as Russell in a dress. She's as much of a bully in her way as he is, it's just that she's aware of the endgame and does try to smooth things over when she can. But she overtly drips insincerity, and her arrogance is almost 2nd to none. Glad she didn't win the main prize!!!

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 9:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Karuuna, I was trying to remember what he said and I thought he said that too (two people) but thought I must have remembered it wrong. If he did say two people, maybe he meant to the final three, even though only two went to the vote. Something was very wrong with the edit of that speech!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 9:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Didn't James win the stoopid award during his season? I can't remember, but didn't he have an idol he didn't play? If so, then he obviously didn't learn if he managed another stoopid play on this season.

The reason why I didn't watch this season was exactly because of Happymom's last sentence: "he was overly harsh and negative towards and about the other players." His misogynistic attitude during his first season completely alienated me. I wouldn't watch him on any show at any time even if I was paid to. I won't support or condone that type of behavior, even if it IS "a game."

Spear
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08-06-2001

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 9:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
RNO Interview with Russell

For what it's worth, here's what he says about knowing the Samoa vote (which *was* a three-way vote -- Mick got zero votes):

quote:

RNO: We saw a clip last night that was a bit confusing. You told the camera that you brought two people you thought you could beat because they were weak. Then it sounded like you said, “And I didn’t.” I and my readers were confused by this because you didn’t know the results when you were out there filming this season.

Russell: I said that because I knew what happened in Samoa – I didn’t have to see the votes read. I can read the jury when they’re talking to me. I’m not stupid. I seen it. I knew I didn’t win. In this one, I knew I didn’t win. And next one, I probably wouldn’t win. But I’ll make it to the end again.




Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
If Russell's only goal is "making it to the end" then why does he get so upset when he loses? And blames the flaw on the game itself?