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Reality TVClubHouse Discussions: Survivor ARCHIVES: Survivor XX - Heroes versus Villains ~ 2: Survivor XX - Heroes versus Villains: 7th Show, Apr. 1st: Archive through April 03, 2010 users admin

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Adven
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02-06-2001

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 1:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Adven a private message Print Post    
Russell is obnoxious, but almost everyone who plays Survivor will stab someone in the back without blinking if it will get them farther in the game. The difference is most are falsely solemn or pander to the group if they do it. Russell just does it with a middle finger in your face. It's totally inappropriate behavior in the real world, of course, but there's a refreshing honesty to it that I admire.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 1:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
No question that it is a gamble and one of the things that makes Survivor strategy so interesting. If you keep strong aggressive competitors because they will help your tribe win challenges, the downside is that you will then have to defeat them after the tribes merge. On a similar note, if you play hard and help your tribe win, you may be perceived as a threat. It's a delicate balance.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 1:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
LOL - I agree Adven. I was ROTF when Rob asked Russell who he thought should be voted out and he said "How about these two right here."

Adven
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02-06-2001

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Adven a private message Print Post    
Agreed, Jimmer. And it was brilliant on Russell's part because Sandra and Courtney were the two weakest links in the tribe. I think he was demonstrating that Rob was no more willing to put tribe strength over individual safety than he was.

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lurknomore a private message Print Post    
I'm sorry Adven, but to me burning people's clothes when they are freezing to death, burying the hatchet LITERALLY, and all the other mean-spirited things with items he tribe desperately needed,he did on purpose to make HIS tribe weaker so he would be stronger is just vile gameplay to me. That goes beyond lying and strategizing in my book. It just brought a new level of low to this game, and it's one I don't respect.

To me to burn someone socks when they only have one pair is beyond cruel. The fact that person was his teammate makes it border on the sociopathic IMHO. I will be genuinely happy when I never have to see or hear that sad, little man ever again!

Hermione69
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07-23-2002

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 1:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Brilliant? I don't agree that Russell has brilliant gameplay. I think Tyson said it best in one of his exit interviews - Survivor is slitting people's throats with finesse, and Russell lacks the latter quality and so he's not likely to ever win. It's why he lost last season, and I don't see that he has changed at all.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 1:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Those are the only bits of Russell I like - when he said "how about those two" and back last season when he pulled the HII out before the vote in tribal council. I don't mind people being aggressive about the game, but I do mind people being aggressive personally. Russell attacks personally when others attack him in the game, overreacts when supposed allies even wobble a bit in their devotion to him, and is demeaning and deluded in his comments about others and aggrandizing of himself.

Not to mention his physical aggressiveness in challenges, like last night almost drowning Rupert, apparently just because he could, because the game was being played at the other end of the course by then, and like week one(?) when he was pulling Tom's(?) thumb back.

Rob and others play the game aggressively, but they are not aggressive people. They know it's just a game, even if they occasionally get emotionally involved. Russell takes the game as one long opportunity to stroke his own ego and bully his way to as close to the top as he can get. I don't like him. Can you tell?

Hermione69
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07-23-2002

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 1:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
And he has absolutely no sense of humor about himself, which was Rob's saving grace many times.

Adven
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02-06-2001

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 1:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Adven a private message Print Post    
Courtney and Sandra were already gunning for Russell, so it didn't hurt him at all to suggest they be voted out. It was valuable, though, in gauging whether there was any chance he could cut Rob away from his alliance. That's why I say it was brilliant to do something that appeared counterproductive on the surface.

I agree, Russell has no finesse and will likely never win. That's fine with me. I'll enjoy him while he lasts and even enjoy his over the top boorish behavior when he loses. I'm not watching him to get pointers on how to be a better human being. I watch him because I find him entertaining.

Hermione69
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07-23-2002

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 1:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
I don't find him enjoyable at all.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 1:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
I guess I just don't find obnoxious people the least bit entertaining. Rob has a charm about him that makes you like him even when he's acting arrogant, and as someone said, is able to laugh at himself (and often). Russel totally lacks charm or humor and is very mean-spirited. But over and above all that, it's his self-aggrandizing that I just can't stomach and the way he talks about and treats women. So, if Parvati can get one over on him and get him good, I'll forever remember her for it.

And yes, Lurk, we do seem to really be on the same wavelength this season, don't we? :-)

Holly
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07-22-2001

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
I also think there's something a bit maniacal about Russell...it's in his eyes. There's just something very 'off' about him and I keep getting the feeling that he's borderline dangerous. Maybe it's an anger management problem or something he has but his behavior at the final last season was just wrong too.

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 3:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
Was this filmed before the results of last season were revealed? If so, Russell is probably still under the impression that he won that season. I wonder if he'd be different if he knew he lost?

I enjoy Russell. He reminds me of Will on BB. He tells people he will lie and he does. Russell didn't sneak up on Rob. He had the smarts to convince Rob's alliance to turn on him.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 3:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Yes, this season was filmed before the finale of last season, so depending on which Russell story you believe, either he's completely sure he won last season, or he knew the instant he met with the jury that he didn't win.

Noooooooo, Dr Will had charm, and smarts, and he knew above all that this was a game not real life.

Reenie
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06-24-2006

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 4:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reenie a private message Print Post    
I will miss Rob! sigh

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 4:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
I will miss Rob too.... but, he got a life with Amber because of Survivor. So, in the end, I think he did really, really well.

also, he is much more palatable when standing up next to Russell...

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 4:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
I see Russell's wry sense of humor...maybe it is just me.(twisted)

Entertainment Tonight (last night) showed a clip of Rupert knocking Russell backwards with a stiff arm.

They are certainly editing Coach differently this time. He is no basketball coach for sure.

Next week looks good. Coach's line "Pray for the merge."

Reenie
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06-24-2006

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 5:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reenie a private message Print Post    
Sallycat...yes "pray for the merge" made me laugh!

I will miss Rob,but like KOOKLIEBIRD said, he's got a life with Amber...so it's all good for him!

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 6:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Sally said
My favorite scene from last night was when Rob asked Russell who he thought should be voted off. Russell....."How about these two?" There sat Courtney & Sandra on their haunches picking at their hair like two primates and having about the same look on their faces. Then the camera moved to Rob who had the same look on his face.

ITA!!! and if Rob would have said sorry COurtney I have to agree with Russ, we have to keep the team strong he may have stayed.
I just couldnt believe he said it in front of the girls! hahhaaa He has played this game like no other and he continues to shock and awe me.

I am still sad to see Rob go, he gets sexier the longer he is out there. Amber is very lucky!

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 6:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
Yes, Pamy...I like the guys looks the longer and dirtier they are out there......while the he girls look better when back to civilization........the guys look like dorks.
Maybe it was all those Tarzan movies when I was a girl.

Punkinsmom
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02-13-2009

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 8:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Punkinsmom a private message Print Post    
I am confused about something. Was the entire season of heroes and villins already filmed befor they had the results show from Last season or did Russell leave the island for the results show and then go back to finish filming this season. I didn't think that they had time to film an entire other season befor the result show from the previous season was shown. Does anyone feel like explaining it to me. Thanks

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 8:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
IIRC, someone pls correct if any mistakes.

1, Survivor Samoa (w/Russell) jury takes their vote. Jeff runs off with the canister of votes.

2, Russell gets 10 days leave back home (or was it 20 days), then heads back to Samoa to participate in Heroes vs. Villains.

3, later after Survivor Samoa (w/Russell) aired and we all got to see the entire season, at the reunion show (with everyone fattened up and looking lovely) they read the Winner which was Natalie.

4. when Heroes vs Villains finishes their 39 days and the players have all been fattened up & looking lovely at their reunion, Jeff will read whom the winner is.

So, Russell didn't know whether he won Survivors Samoa until long after that season (he cried & pouted like a baby at the reunion). Does that help?

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 8:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Not officially, but really often they pretty much know what the votes are before we do.. after all they are actually at the whole jury questionning not just the part we see. On the other hand, Russell has a pretty inflated ego so he might have actually been convinced that he won.

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Friday, April 02, 2010 - 9:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
My favorite exit interview site:

Exclusive: Rob "Boston Rob" Mariano talks 'Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains'
link realityTVworld

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 3:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Bisc, thanks to you posting the links, Reality TV World has now become my official favorite site for exit interviews.