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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 8:15 pm
Okay ... time to bring this up again: **************************** We also note this passage from cwalton's interview with Mark Burnett at the 10-year reunion party in January, posted on Survivor.com: "We liked ["Schmergen Brawl"] so much that we brought it back and another person was injured. I won’t say whether it was an evacuation, but there was another major problem. So then that challenge was thrown in the trash. It will never be back." We just saw from the previews that "Schmergen Ball/Brawl is set for Episode 5, and that medical is called in. We also know from past discussions that James gets hurt in some challenge and it eventually leads to him being booted as a pity vote at TC because he doesn't get any better. Tom is the boot for Episode 5, so that means Villains will once again win IC, and Tom will not have an HII to protect himself with this time. I'm sure all the promos will try to mislead us into thinking that James is going home. I'll get pics and transcript tomorrow.
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Friday, March 05, 2010 - 6:22 am
Thanks to Survivor Fever for transcript and pics from Episode 5: ************************** Transcript: Jeff Probst: Next time on Survivor...
Coach: I led the tribe in some DragonSlayer Chi, everybody went except for Russell.
Jeff: Russell hunts for the Immunity Idol while Rob hunts Russell.
Rob [camera confessional]: If you go out there looking for it, you're a marked man. Jeff: Candice makes a game changing move.
Candice [camera confessional]: I want to work with Tom and Colby. Jeff [narration]: And as the competition gets more fierce, another castaway goes down.
Here's that Schmergen Ball/Brawl set-up
We can see Courtney, Parvati, and Sandra on the sidelines
Here we see James up on the platform and Rupert pushing Rob (I believe) to the platform so James can snatched the ball. These last four shots seem to be just before Jeff calls for "medical", and James is not one of the players. Can't figure out who the two guys are in shorts. It almost looks like Russell as the downed guy. But I think this is misdirection and James is the one that has medical attention.
Jeff [at challenge]: Hold up, let the docs take a look.
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Friday, March 05, 2010 - 6:49 am
Okey --- Dokey, here's Jeff's Blog: ************************************* Well, we’re four episodes in to Heroes v Villains and I am hearing from a lot of you on the streets that you are really digging this season. I’m happy to hear that and you’re going to love next week just as much. There’s good stuff coming down the pipe! Lets get to the most recent episode… WE ALL WANT TO BE LIKED COACH: (battling tears) “Why doesn’t anybody ever say anything nice about me?” There it is. The Answer. The great mystery has been solved. Nine simple words and you have the secret to understanding Coach. He just wants to be liked. Is that so much to ask? SCREEEECH! Oh, for crying out loud, I can already hear the Coach haters telling me to get over my “Coach Crush.” Let me just deal with you guys right quick by delving into my 7th grade bag of insults. How ’bout this one… “Bite me.” Has a nice ring to it. I may use it again later. Let me also tell you up front that I’m slightly annoyed as I write this. It’s late, it’s been a long day and as I was driving home at 10 p.m., it started raining. Not a big deal except that I had hosted a big charity event at my little tree house of a home on Sunday and so I pulled out the cushions to my patio furniture and I forgot to bring them back inside, knowing it was scheduled to rain. So I came home to the dreaded… wet cushions. Ah, we’ve all been there, right? The dreaded wet cushions. Right up there with that load of laundry you left in the washing machine and now it smells of mildew. Crisis. I wasn’t in the mood. Now the cushions are in my living room creating a small pool of water as I write this. Just not in the mood. Annoyed. It happens. Hard to believe, I know, but I’m not always Mr. Positive. Shocking. So… if you pick up on any pettiness, it probably stems from wet cushions. Guess I’ll have to get out my Pottery Barn catalog and order new ones. I’m kidding. I’m not gonna call Pottery Barn, I’ll have my assistant call Pottery Barn. I don’t deal with that kind of domestic crap. Relax. I’m kidding again. I don’t have an assistant. I have an intern, they’re free. I GET NO RESPECT, I TELL YA Okay, back to Coach. We all want to be liked. I want to be liked, politicians want to be liked, musicians want to be liked, tree trimmers want to be liked, grocery store clerks want to be liked, even Hollywood talent agents want to be liked. Check that, they REALLY want to be liked. I’m guessing most of you reading this blog also want to be liked. It’s a universal desire to be liked. Well, Coach is no different. Coach believes he is living a very noble life and playing a very honorable game of Survivor and he wants to be acknowledged for doing so… he wants to be liked…but it just isn’t going to happen. It’s Survivor. Nobody gets any respect. Case in point – Tyson. Tyson’s actions regarding Coach are a perfect example of why Survivor is so damn tough to play. On one hand Tyson was a source of comfort to Coach. He listened as Coach shared his feelings and he even offered counsel to Coach with some candid advice that Coach would be wise to take to heart. But then Tyson turned around and shared every single thing Coach said with the rest of the tribe, including the fact that Coach had shed tears and considered quitting. Man, that ain’t right. That’s some bullsh*t up in here. But that’s how the game of Survivor is played. Information is king. If you give information to someone else, you give them power. Coach gave Tyson power when he shared his feelings with him. It’s harsh but it’s true. GET IT TOGETHER MAN, I’M SERIOUS I loved the exchange between Coach and Boston Rob because it brought out Rob’s very limited patience for topics such as feelings and whining. More than any other guy I know Rob is the quintessential “guys guy.” He’s just not one to have long talks about feelings. You’re either with him or you’re against him. It’s so clear that Coach desperately wants to be with him and that is probably at the heart of why he’s feeling left out. He just wants Rob to like him! But with Rob, it’s not so much if he likes you as much as it is if he doesn’t despise you. Coach, he doesn’t despise you, so take his advice – stand up straight and get back in the game. It’s too soon for you to go home. INTERMISSION Oh, while we’re here… how about another response for those of you who are still screaming at me to get off the Coach topic? Let’s see… hmmm… how about this 8th grade classic… “Up yours.” Ya like that one? I do too. It’s straight to the point. I’m kidding. It’s just a joke. Where’s your sense of humor. Fun. You remember fun, right? That thing you used to have before you became a pain in the a–? Yeah, that thing. Listen, if I can laugh at myself with wet cushions, you should be able to take a little Coach humor. IDOL PLAY I was a bit surprised at the different way the two tribes approached the idol clue. I never would have guessed that it would be the Villains who chose to not look for the idol, while the Heroes were tripping over each other in a mad dash to uncover it. Further proof that at this point, the Villains are more in control of their game. They just have it more together than the Heroes. Yes, of course it makes sense to want the idol in your possession, but the fact the villains were fine keeping the idol out of their game tells me they are more concerned with keeping their tribe strong then they are dividing it by looking for the idol. Russell of course has a different idea and thank heavens, because let’s be clear – we put the idol in the show because we want it to be found… and we would like it to be played. Preferably many times. So the Villains’ decision to sit on the clue and do nothing about it is not the most exciting news to hear back at base camp. That’s just one of the reasons Russell was invited back – he plays the game. He’s not an observer, he’s a participant. And he still should have won last season. IMMUNITY CHALLENGE – TAKE TWO Yes, that was the same Immunity Challenge from last seasons Survivor: Samoa in which the dreadlocked Russell went down… and almost did not get up. As emotional as it was to run the challenge again, we never debated. We felt that it belonged in this season because of the distinction of being the only challenge in the history of Survivor to not be completed and it offered a chance to create new history when it finally was completed. Once again Boston Rob showed his ability to lead as he singlehandedly won that challenge for the Villains. Rob is a guy who wants the ball in his hands when there are only seconds left on the clock. He’s not afraid to step up and take the big shot. That’s the same way he plays Survivor – to win. I respect anybody who plays this game full tilt boogie every day. Here’s something that will aggravate Russell and probably every other Survivor. Every other Survivor except Ashley from last season – Ashley gets it and she’ll understand that what I’m about to say is not a slight to anyone else, it’s just a really wise bet. Here’s the bet: If I had to put money on only one Survivor it would be Boston Rob. Overall, he has the qualities that I would most want to have if I played the game and I think that if I bet on him every day that over the course of the run I’d come out ahead. FINALLY THE HEROES GET IT RIGHT While I’m sorry to see Cirie gone from the game, I’m happy that she got voted out because this philosophy of getting rid of the strong players simply because they’re not in your alliance was about to make me throw my laptop through my television screen. Imagine that, a living room filled with wet cushions and a busted TV. That would really suck. Cirie was the right vote. Voting out Colby or Tom over Cirie would have been yet another idiotic vote by the Hero tribe – one that I fully expected them to make. I was shocked to see JT switch his vote, but I do think he made the best overall move. That doesn’t mean JT won’t be the next one voted out, but if you want to win… you have to have a strong tribe and at times you have to make big moves. JT did both tonight – he kept his tribe strong by making a big move. Cirie is only strong in one area – strategy. She’s a master strategist in fact, but she was not going to help them at camp or in challenges. NEXT TIME ON… SURVIVOR So maybe the Heroes can turn things around now. They’re clearly the stronger tribe physically if they can just get their attitudes to catch up to their muscles. Next week’s episode offers another interesting tribal council and … another Survivor goes down! See ya then. By the way, the cushions are now dry.
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Friday, March 05, 2010 - 6:53 am
Here's the TC Council voting for Episode 4, thanks to Survivor Sucks: ******************************* Rupert (votes Colby): You never brought me into your alliance. I know we talked a little bit about the all guy alliance but that fell apart on the first day. I'm sorry buddy, I really like you. JT (votes Cirie): I don't know the answer to why we're losing but hopefully, just hopefully, I'm getting rid of the bad apple. James (votes Colby): I wanted a distraction. Candice (votes Tom): Tom, I think you're a great guy, but hopefully, its you, not me tonight. Colby (votes Cirie): <says nothing> Amanda (votes Tom): Tom, I'm voting for you because I don't quite trust you, sorry. Tom (votes Cirie): Cirie, love you as a person, you're way way too good wrapping some of these weak minds around your little finger and gotta get rid of that on the beach. Cirie (votes Tom): Strategy, nothing really personal, just how the game goes.
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Friday, March 05, 2010 - 7:00 am
Thanks to Dani at Survivor Skills --- this from Missyae in October, spells this next injury out for us: ******************************** missyae @ Sucks: 10/03/09 10:00 PM ...I doublechecked on a little bit of 20 stuff. What happens with James is an injured knee. He manages to even compete a couple of challenges with it before his tribe votes him out in a sympathy vote. His knee is still injured to this day and might bother him the rest of his life.
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Friday, March 05, 2010 - 9:58 am
I'm very confused by this insert out of the RNO (Reality News Online) interview with Cirie. ****************************** "RNO: This was your third time out there. How was this time different from the previous two? Cirie: This time, I never felt like I truly had a good alliance. I never felt tight with my alliance, I was always a little leery. I didn’t feel like I had choices. My strategy that you didn’t see was I wanted to play with Tom, Colby, and Stephenie – and Stephenie was definitely open to it, but Tom and Colby never were. I have nothing against them, they’re great guys, but they had their own ideas, and rightfully so, who they waned to play with and why. I felt like there was nothing I could do to persuade them to give me a shot even though I tried and tried and tried and tried. You can’t play alone so I had to go with the other alliance. I feel I didn’t have the choices or the opportunities I had in the other seasons." **************************************** My confusion is that Stephenie came to Cirie right in Episode 2 (which is very near the beginning of the game) and asked Cirie and Candace to side with her, Tom and Colby. Cirie said "No" and Stephenie got the boot.
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Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005
| Friday, March 05, 2010 - 11:20 am
They were just asking for a vote. I think Cirie asked for an alliance before that and was refused so she was leary of voting with them when she knew they didn't consider her part of their "elite" alliance.
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Friday, March 05, 2010 - 12:29 pm
Aha .... maybe that was it!!!
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Friday, March 05, 2010 - 12:36 pm
I've rewatched the promo for next week several times trying to figure out who gets injured. Bearing in mind the person Rob throws to the ground may or may not be the person who actually needed medical to take a look. If it's the same person, it looks like the person thrown to the ground was either JT or Tom. I'm guessing whoever is injured isn't necessarily the one who goes home, as the spoilers indicate it's Tom going next week. Definitely a tough one to decipher. Looking forward to more info on this.
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Friday, March 05, 2010 - 12:47 pm
Thanks to Squidproquo over at Survivor Blows for reading and/or listening through all the Insider Clips, and giving us the guts of them in the following summary: ******************************* "More highlights from the Insider Clips" VILLAINS TRIBE: - Russell digs for the HII at night while the rest of his tribe sleeps. It's a funny scene, as Rob is snoring loudly and Russell says they're all dumb and not really playing for a million dollar. Looks like he doesn't find it yet (at least in the clip shown). - Jerri tips Coach off that Tyson has spilled the beans to the rest of the tribe about him crying, etc. She tells Coach that she thinks she needs to distance herself from him. (The title of the scene is "Coach gets dumped.") Jerri says in a confessional that she hasn't really made an alliance with anyone yet. - Jerri says she is disgusted by Rob and how he tries to control the team. She's mad that he won't let anyone look for the HII. She doesn't trust him at all and doesn't understand why people are listening to him. She says "he's not the dad here" - which sounds like similar comments that Russell says. (My gut is telling me that if Russell picks up on Jerri's hate for Rob and can woo her over, that'll be the key to bringing down Rob.) - Coach says "I'm more of a man than anyone else here" and he's not going to listen to Tyson's advice. He says he's still going to wear his feather and tell his stories...so there! - Parv has some great confessional quotes how "If anyone can win twice, its' me" and the only reason she's playing again is because she thinks she can win. I'm surprised they didn't use these clips if she's the winner. What's also interesting is that she mentions how she doesn't understand the people who have a "Not me" strategy, which is obviously Sandra -- Parv thinks you need a core alliance to get you through the game and that the "not me" people will eventually be voted off. HEROES TRIBE - Amanda says she's in a 4 way alliance with Rupert, JT and James, but that she is especially fond of JT. Seems like perhaps a bit of a crush/showmance thing going on. She says they play a similar game and are both strategic. Amanda feels like she got through a couple of tough votes where her name was written down, but now she's in the Power Seat because JT and James both listen to her. (Ha, little does she know at that point that JT didn't listen to her and voted out Cirie...although I'm sure he'll smooth talk his way out of that one.) - Small tidbit, but it's interesting in light of Amanda's comments above and also Boston Rob saying you can tell who's allied by who sleeps together: Cirie mentions that JT and Amanda always cuddle together at night. - Cirie says in her "Day After" clip that she suspects that both JT and James flipped, and she expects to see Candice and Amanda getting voted off yet. (BUT, Cirie clearly didn't realize that she was outside of Amanda's core alliance with James and JT.) - JT says his core alliance is James/Rupert/Amanda and he will be true to that core alliance but Cirie's not part of that and he can't do what's best for Cirie. (Smart of him to get rid of Cirie, so that will limit Amanda's strategic options and will make her rely on JT more!) - JT doesn't want to go into the merge down in numbers, but he thinks that with 7 still in the game they can keep it close, plus he feels that some of the Villains will flop. - Rupert talks about all his injuries (he cuts himself while spear fishing....he said he already has gotten stitches, which wasn't shown, etc.)and how he wishes he could just eat the fish he catches by himself because everyone else is just sitting on their butts at camp. Meanwhile, Cirie talks about how annoying Rupert is and how he needs everyone to constantly praise him. - James makes Candice cry by picking on her about how she couldn't get water to boil. (Just another indication of James' lack of social skills.) - Colby talks about how much he likes and respects Tom, and the good thing about the two of them being allied is that they are both level headed and don't panic. He says Tom is more aggressive in his game play but that they're a good team.
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Friday, March 05, 2010 - 12:49 pm
Jezz ... the way I understand it is that James is the one who is hurt ... a knew injury ... but he is not medically sent home. Heroes lose and go to TC and Tom gets booted out. James will be voted out the next time the Heroes go to TC by the tribe giving him sympathy votes to leave the game rather than having him quit or be taken out medically. That next Heroes TC will not be until 2 weeks after Tom gets the boot.
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Panda
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07-15-2005
| Friday, March 05, 2010 - 1:55 pm
all I have to say is ugh regarding Amanda w/JT...didn't she hook up last time around.
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Friday, March 05, 2010 - 3:48 pm
Sounds logical Ginger. As always, thanks for consolidating spoiler info here. (-:
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Friday, March 05, 2010 - 3:58 pm
Just noticed my typo.........a knee injury (not a knew injury)
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Pamy
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01-02-2002
| Friday, March 05, 2010 - 6:58 pm
Thanks for all this great info!!! Ginger, you ROCK! I am so sad to hear that James' injury is something that may be with him for life I really hate challenges where ppl can get so danged hurt!
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Saturday, March 06, 2010 - 7:01 am
Aha ... this insert I cut and pasted from a different interview with Cirie, explains more and further clears up my mind on why Cirie didn't go with Colby and Tom to save Stephenie in Episode 2. I'm putting it here in case anybody else is interested. ********************************* "The time they did try to ally with me was when they lost power and when you try and make an alliance when you're on the cusp or when you're in jeopardy, it doesn't carry as much weight as if it was Day 3, you know when I came to you, or Day 1, when I came to you and tried to do something with you and you pretty much gave me the cold shoulder. Now you're in jeopardy and you want to make an alliance, well, it leaves a nasty taste in my mouth." "So I felt like I really didn't have a choice but to go with the alliance I was in. Granted, I didn't trust anybody I was in that alliance with but when you have nothing and this is something over here, even if though it's bad, you have to go with it, because you can't play Survivor alone. You have to play with someone." Reality TV World: When I talked to [Stephenie LaGrossa] a couple of weeks ago, she said that you had convinced her that you actually weren't in an alliance with [James Clement], [Amanda Kimmel] and [Parvati Shallow] from [Survivor: Micronesia again] So you're saying that was the truth? Because it kind of seemed that way, at least on TV. Cirie Fields: That was absolutely the truth. On Day 1 that was brought up, you know, "You could be..." Because Stephenie and I talked and we formed a relationship, and I was telling her "You know, I'd really like to go with you and Tom and Colby but for some reason Tom and Colby won't talk to me" and she said "Yeah, I know, I'm trying but they're afraid you're going to get back with Parvati and Amanda, you guys did this Micronesia alliance." "And like I told her then and I'm telling everyone now, if there was a Micronesia alliance, once again I was left out of it. And that kind of tainted me, maybe that was the reason Tom wouldn't listen to anything I had to say, or Colby for that matter." "But yeah, no, I was not a part of any alliance. I think it was obvious last night I wasn't a part of any alliance, besides the alliance with JT and Amanda and those guys, which I had to fall into."
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Catfat
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02-27-2002
| Saturday, March 06, 2010 - 10:20 am
All these so-called alliances seem to be built on lies and betrayal. The babble of plotting and planning has become incomprehensiible to the audience. This last post of Ginger's quoting Cirie is proof of that. No wonder they voted her out. I think Sandra has the right idea, stay aloof, float, vote for whomever the majority want. And go right to the end, as she did in her season. No one even thinks of writing her name down because she is not perceived as an enemy of anyone.
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Saturday, March 06, 2010 - 10:26 am
CBS Misdirection - here are the clues: ***************************** From the CBS Press site: 03.05.2010 IN A GRUELING PHYSICAL CHALLENGE, ONE CASTAWAY TAKES A HARD FALL THAT RESULTS IN SERIOUS INJURY WHICH THREATENS TO TAKE HIM OUT OF THE GAME FOR GOOD, ON "SURVIVOR: HEROES VS. VILLAINS," THURSDAY, MARCH 11 "Knights of the Round Table" - An important hierarchy is established between a pair of conniving allies and a plan is hatched to oust one of the strongest and most prominent players in the game, on SURVIVOR: HEROES VS. VILLAINS, Thursday, March 11 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Sunday, March 07, 2010 - 4:41 pm
And here's the picture we've been waiting for:
Thanks to TDT for this pic for for this info: "James curiously decides to make a huge vertical leap to snag a rebound, but James lands poorly, apparently injuring his knee."
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Sunday, March 07, 2010 - 4:51 pm
Thanks to Survivor Fever for this transcript and pics: ******************* Transcript: Announcer: James, the strongest Survivor to ever win the game...
Jeff Probst: Whoa! Stop! Announcer: ...goes down. Jeff Probst: Medical, come on in. Male Castaway: Oh, something's broke.
J.T. [camera confessional]: I don't think James is coming back.
Amanda: If he doesn't come back what am I doing to do? Ginger Note: Of course we already know that James does come back and Tom gets the boot and Amanda lives to play another day!!!
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Pamy
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01-02-2002
| Sunday, March 07, 2010 - 7:37 pm
dang the promo ppl are more spoilery than we are here!! LOL
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Tuesday, March 09, 2010 - 5:42 am
Tuesday morning and doesn't appear to be anything new out there. Last two weeks, the additional promo shots didn't show up til the day before the show. Unless they show anything differently, right now it looks like: ******************************* RC/IC: Schmergen Ball/Brawl - Villains Win Injured: James Boot: Tom
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Tuesday, March 09, 2010 - 3:03 pm
Late Tuesday, and the SOTS (State of the Spoiling) is up over at Survivor Blows, done this week by Flowerpower. ****************************** Nothing new there........ Challenge is Schmergen Ball ... could be an RC, and IC, or a combo. No pic clues as to which it is. Regardless......Villains will win James will be injured Tom will get the boot
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Askme_who_ur
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08-19-2006
| Tuesday, March 09, 2010 - 6:54 pm
I know this is a bit late but up in the challenge pics, you identify the three people as Parvati, Sandra and Courtney. The person in the yellow shirt and hat is definitely Russell. I don't think Parv is on the sidelines, if that makes any difference.
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Askme_who_ur
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08-19-2006
| Tuesday, March 09, 2010 - 7:09 pm
Oh, and it looks like it is Coach and JT who are tangled up in the above pictures. To me it looks like JT and Tyson on the platform. The giveaway is the beard. JT seems to have a fuller one than most the other guys and if Russell is sitting out than JT is the logical choice. JT wears black socks. Just my analysis of the pics.
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