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Reality TVClubHouse Discussions: Survivor ARCHIVES: Survivor XX - Heroes versus Villains ~ 2: Survivor XX - Heroes versus Villains: 14th Show Finale, May 16th: Archive through May 17, 2010 users admin

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Hermione69
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07-23-2002

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 5:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
No one has ever surpassed him for entertainment value.

Well, that is definitely in the eye of the beholder as there's more than one of us who wouldn't even watch this season because of him, including me. I don't find him entertaining at all. I can easily name a dozen Survivors that I have gotten more entertainment from than Russell.

The fact that so many people are riled up by him only pleases him. He would much rather have that than be ignored.

Maybe, but he would rather have won more than anything. It kills him that he didn't win. If he claims that's okay because at least you can't ignore him, he's just trying to save face.

Many people have mentioned that he just doesn't get it. He really doesn't.

I'm extremely pleased he lost. I want to get in his face and go, "Nyah nyah nyah!" I had read spoilers that he went far and so I wrote this whole season off. I hear he will be back a 3rd time and you better believe I will be checking spoilers again to see if it is worth watching. He's not worth my time. He has an ugly nature and I am not amused by that.

I've enjoyed villains in the past, the ones with senses of humor and an ability to laugh at themselves, even while behaving badly. Russell has the sense of humor of an enema.

Just my humble opinion. :-)

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 5:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
I wonder when we'll see a Boston Rob tribe vs. a Russell tribe. Rob threw down the gauntlet last night and Russell and Jeff picked it up.

Mgmriver
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04-27-2009

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 5:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mgmriver a private message Print Post    
My most entertaining moment from this season was Sandra telling Russell he's against her. And second favorite moment of the game was JT's letter. Third was Pav passing out the idols at tribal. Fourth was Sandra finding the idol and keeping it a secret and then playing it. There were no Russell favorite moments for me unless you can count his hat being burned. Russell just doesn't understand the game and yes he'd lose everytime he tried playing this game.

Hermione69
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07-23-2002

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 5:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Noooo, Lexie! Bite your tongue! As much as I love Boston Rob, I don't particularly want to see him or Russell on Survivor again. Enough is enough! ROFL!

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Hermi... the gauntlet has been thrown!!!!

BTW, I love me some Boston Rob - always have - always will.

Hermione69
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07-23-2002

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Well, if the gauntlet has been thrown ...

I declare myself Team Rob in advance.

Adven
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02-06-2001

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Adven a private message Print Post    
Whenever a Russell or Parvati loses to Natalie or Sandra, or Colby to whatshername or Boston Rob to Amber I liken it to the game being played with 17 people and a stick. No one votes out the stick because it's not a threat, it can't strategize and it sucks at challenges. They also all want to take the stick to the final three because they think no one in their right mind will give a stick a million dollars. What happens, though, is the jury, made up of people who have had their ass kicked by someone who plays the game much better than they do, resent that person for making them look foolish or incompetent. They couldn't beat that person in the game, so they retaliate the only way they can: they reward the stick with a million dollars. It's a vindictive thing to do, of course, so the jury and some viewers at home, who dislike the ass kicker for booting their favorites to the curb ( and often doing it while being thoroughly obnoxious) create fanciful rationales and start complimenting the stick on its social game and how it outsmarted the ass kicker by understanding the importance of relationships and playing to the jury. Meanwhile, the rest of us are wondering how the jury could give a million dollars to a stick when they were up against brilliant players who controlled the action from start to finish.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
Ditto Hermi's post! :-)

Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Here are the final 3 on the Early Show this morning. Sandra gets her check and Russell is still a bit pissy claiming "a flaw in the system"...LOL

http://www.cbs.com/daytime/....

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Adven you should change your last sentence to:Meanwhile, some of the rest of us are wondering how the jury could give a million dollars to a stick when they were up against brilliant players who controlled the action from start to finish.

There were some of us who didn't think that Russell was a brilliant player. Nor do some of us think that Sandra was a stick.

Hermione69
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07-23-2002

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Adven, you can argue all you want that Russell deserved the win, but you know what? He didn't, because his people skills SUCK. And people skills, whether anyone likes it or not, are a huge part of Survivor. It's half the game. Tyson put it best - "The name of the game is slitting people’s throats with finesse and he doesn’t have that."

And the fact that he couldn't even learn from last time, when apparently he already knew he had lost, is even more weight to his not deserving the prize. He can't adapt. That was one of Sandra's strengths, from what I have read, her ability to adapt to the climate. She's hardly a stick.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
To accept your scenario, Adven, I would have to believe that Russell is a brilliant player. He's not IMO. Parv....that's another story. Russell is a combination of lucky (see: Tyson, JT) and a bully. That doesn't make him a great player. It makes him a bull in...well, not exactly a china shop because the other players aren't so delicate as all that, but maybe a bull in the ring. And we know what happens at the end of most bullfights: the matador walks out the winner.

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
I love the fact that Sandra was the only one who was able to stand up to Russell and not be intimidated by his bullying...oh, and Parvati was also sure of who she was and how she could use him. It kills him that he was "played" by two women......

Northstar
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09-29-2008

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Northstar a private message Print Post    
Sandra's play was a bit like trying to keep a small business afloat in today's economy. She lost her backers early on, she tried to hustle new partners she paid her dues when required, all the while competing against the big corporation next door. Her's was an unorthodox strategy and now she's whistling all the way to the bank.

Parv was deserving as well but based on very different criteria.

Russell, phfft. I got nothin other than pity and prayers.

Scoutmom
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01-19-2006

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scoutmom a private message Print Post    
I also love Rob - so

Team Rob vs "the hobbit on crack"

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think that juries base the vote on three things.

1. How well the person did in challenges and generally contributed.

2. How well the person manipulated the game to his or her favour.

3. How much they like the person (or who offended them the least).

I'm a bit surprised that this all star jury of experienced players gave so much weight to number 3. That doesn't mean that I don't think Sandra was a deserving winner because she is very strong at manipulating the game. I'm just surprised at why the jury voted the way they did.

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
Northstar, your analogy is spot on....perfect scenario/word picture.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Jimmer... maybe they gave so much weight to 3 because Russell offended them sooo much.

Adven
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02-06-2001

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Adven a private message Print Post    
Actually, I wasn't referring so much to Russell this time around - although he was voted best player by viewers and it was handled on air like a foregone conclusion. I thought either Parvati or Russell should have won.

As for Sandra, I really like her spunk and sense of humor, but she sucked at challenges, failed in her only real strategy to unseat Russell and was at the mercy of Russell/Parvati the entire game. They controlled the action, did the dirty work and could have gotten rid of her at any time. I think the million should go to the kings and queens in the chess game, not the unskilled pawns who benefit as a by product.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Northstar... I do love your analogy.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 6:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Now that I think about it I agree with Adven in that I was astonished when Sandra basically spelled out to the jury that her most basic and intense strategy (the elimination of Russell) was a total failure. I was quite surprised that the jury voted so emotionally but as Bonbon suggested they must have so disliked Russell that his defeat became their ultimate priority over anything else.

ETA: Plus I think that a lot of the heroes showed a bad case of over-inflated ego (um ... being "heroes" you know).

Punkinsmom
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02-13-2009

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 7:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Punkinsmom a private message Print Post    
I like Sandra and I am happy for her but I think that Parvaty or Russell should have won. Russell probably is a real a-hole is real life but he kept me entertained more then any other Survivor has ever done. Parvaty in my opinion worked harder then any other in the challenges because like she told Jeff she had to because she knew everyone wanted her our. I think that Parvaty is amazing. Like her or not she plays hard. She has got flirting down to an art also. I believe old Russell was really smitten with her. I think Survivor would be a relly boring show if we did not have people like Russell to stir the pot. Love him or hate him I think he is entertaining.I was really surprised at how much I like Jerri and Coach this year. I wish Boston Rob had lasted longer. I would love to see a Boston Rob VS Russell Survivor throw down.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 7:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I think many of them voted for Sandra because she actually had a brilliant end tribal council strategy and that is, she told them the truth over and over - I *tried* to help you, I tried to get you to get out Russell, I was on *your* side, but you didn't believe me. They realized that Sandra understood the game very well, and played it the best she could, and that she was in fact trying to help them.

And that's why she won the million.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 7:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
I've been team Sandra most of the way, but frankly do think that Parvati should have won. Particularly she made a wise move at the end in confronting Russell with the fact that she would not vote for him if she was on the jury, but Jerri probably would. And then followed it up by exposing to Jerri the reason why Russell voted for her ouster - because he was sure he would get her vote. With this information in hand, Jerri voted for Parvati. She basically forced Russell to vote out Jerri, and then made Jerri respect her for causing Russell to vote Jerri out LOL.

Adven
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02-06-2001

Monday, May 17, 2010 - 7:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Adven a private message Print Post    
Agreed, Jimmer. I think Russell is so dislikable to some people that they dismiss his game play. He finds 20 HI idols and it's dismissed as his only talent. Sandra finds one and it's "you go girl". Just this season, off the top of my head, Russell orchestrated the removal of Boston Rob because he saw him as a threat - a bold and shrewd move - and knew it was the key to gaining control of his tribe. At the merge, it was Russell who convinced Tyson to change his vote, which sealed the Heroes fate for the rest of the game. It was Russell who convinced Whatshername, the blonde woman on the Heroes, to come over to the dark side so the Villains would have some insurance. It was Russell who milked J.T's bonehead move for a vote or two to the benefit of him and his alliance and it was Russell who orchestrated the ouster of Danielle when he sensed her relationship with Parvati was becoming uncomfortable. He's often lucky, but he makes incredibly bold moves if he thinks it will help him and he has an uncanny ability to make them happen. I can understand why he is despised, and in life I suspect he is pretty pathetic, but the game is his and he grabs it by the throat with no apologies. I admire that quality.