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Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Monday, February 22, 2010 - 4:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
I think the "hero" label puts that team's members at a disadvantage fan-wise. When a Villian does something sneaky/mean-spirited/petty, we say "well, what else would you expect from a villian?" When a Hero does something similar we see them as tarnishing their hero image. Just MHO, of course -

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, February 22, 2010 - 4:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I remember him being fairly condescending his first season. I didn't like him then and I don't like him now. Waiting anxiously for his boot.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, February 22, 2010 - 6:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I didn't like him so much his first season, but he won me over in ASS and even more in TAR and then in the wedding show as well.. I'd like to see him stay a long time.

Reenie
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06-24-2006

Monday, February 22, 2010 - 6:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reenie a private message Print Post    
Lilfair - are you talking about Tom?

Sea - are you talking about Rob?

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, February 22, 2010 - 6:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
RMAO.. yes I was talking about Rob!

Tom.. I'm sort of lukewarm about him. But I'm lukewarm about all star shows as well. And even colder about people in their third or more time..

Nickovtyme
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07-28-2004

Monday, February 22, 2010 - 8:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
<sigh> <big sigh>

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 3:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I must have missed a huge part of the show. What mean spirited remarks has Tom made?

I don't remember anything judgmental either...

I'm not trying to argue...I seriously don't remember anything like that from Tom.

What remarks is everyone talking about?

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 6:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
It may just be the edit on him, but he is coming across as arrogant and defensive. Time will tell how the other team members feel about him. We only get a snipet of what goes on.

I am reading a book called "Lost and Found" by Parkhurst. It is a novel about what goes on behind the scenes on a reality show. They talk about the "3rd wall"
....meaning the camera. Since I am a fan of reality shows the book is a great read. I got it at my library.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 7:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Reenie, yes I'm talking about Tom.

Reenie
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06-24-2006

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 7:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reenie a private message Print Post    
Kep - when Tom was "privately" speaking about James,I felt his remarks were mean-spirited. I realize James did carry on about the loss of the puzzle, but I felt Tom's remarks were mean.

Of course, that's how I saw it, and others might not agree.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 8:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I think I'd like Tom better if I felt he was making mean spirited, but amusing remarks. I just find him holiar-than-thou much of the time. He just comes across and superior to everyone and that everything he does and thinks is the right way and everyone else needs to follow his noble hero lead.

Reenie
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06-24-2006

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 8:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Reenie a private message Print Post    
Brenda1966/maybe that's a better way to describe Tom - "holier than thou"....condescending.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 8:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Tom appears to have a very definite world view and view of how someone should "properly" play the game of Survivor. He does seem to have tried to play the game based on these fairly ethical principles but where it falls down is his demand that everyone else must do the same or they have it wrong. So he imposes his specific view of how the game should be played on other players which may be what rubs some fans the wrong way.

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 10:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
Or maybe Tom's code of ethics says that screaming at people the way James did is really bad for society as a whole.
Which it is.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 2:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I thought Tom was just expressing his views...similar to the way that James was expressing his.

I love James...I think he is a great guy...but he was acting immature and took things way to personally and did verbally "attack" Stephanie with his feelings.

Tom felt that was wrong...so he said as much. I didn't think that Tom was "preaching" the way of the Survivor and how everyone should act...I saw it as his opinion and observations. That's prolly why I didn't realize what everyone was talking about... :-)

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 3:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
LOL Catfat!

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 5:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texasdeb a private message Print Post    
OK - not a Tom fan. I did respect him in his season even though it's not a season that I can remember that well - not a stand out season for me.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 5:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Jimmer wrote "" So he imposes his specific view of how the game should be played on other players which may be what rubs some fans the wrong way.""

That's pretty much the way I feel about him.

Survivor isn't a game about ethics, pretty much everyone who plays the game does lie and scheme at some point. I don't remember that much about Tom's season but he has the reputation of having played the game very ethically.

One of my favorite Survivor seasons was when the girls all got together to hoodwink the guys out of immunity necklaces and idols. That was great fun to watch but not very ethical gameplay.

I was not a fan of Russell last year not because of any game ethics but because of the way he spoke in is confessionals about women.

Even though Tom won his season (he won, right?) I find him irritating much like I find holier than thou people irritating.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 8:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I don't have strong feelings about Tom really. Even though I know he won his season, I don't remember him much except what he looks like. (and I'm a huge Survivor fan and don't think I've ever missed a minute of any ep) I tend to agree with Kep and Catfat.

I still like James though. I don't think yelling like that was good gameplay at all though. I really wished he hadn't continued to yell and to go on and on and on about it all the way from the challenge through TC. too much.

I think maybe he just feels safe enough to not worry about how his actions will affect when he gets booted out. (the way Steph had to) They all know it is wise to keep the stronger players around til the merge...but...they voted out the woman who was the strongest..so...James better watch out. He'd better redeem himself (and maybe it is too late for that) because they all can hold any little thing (or big thing) against anyone and before you know it, that one thing gets them booted.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 9:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I have to wonder if James would have kept yelling and being so angry about it if everyone had just quietly agreed with him. I think Steph arguing back at him really set him off and helped fuel his fire to continue ranting. It will be interesting to see how this week's episode plays out.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 9:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Sally, that book sound interesting, I am going to look for it.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 12:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
James and Tom were expressing their world views.. Tom not so in your face and public as James. Guess I'd rather be around Tom or Colby (or Stephenie as a personal choice.

And count me out on enjoying mean comments.. lol.. guess I'm okay with holier than thou if I agree with them

Vickie
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07-16-2004

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 6:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vickie a private message Print Post    
In Toms season he bullied the kid into stepping down from a challenge. I forget the kids name but he(Tom) didn't like the fact that at one tribal council the kid voted against him. So he proceeded to talk the kid out of the challenge. In my book that is not right and then he did not keep the kid around for the finals. When I say talked him out of it it was mean and really got to this kid. Maybe call it game but it was not up to what this Tom guy thinks is good game play. I did not like Tom in his season and I don't like him in this season. Also when someone has an injury and everyone knows it how does that make them a strong player physically? Get her out!

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 8:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
It was Ian, and yes, it made me dislike Tom very much. Tom bullied Ian into quitting in the name of "honor".

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Boberg a private message Print Post    
Maybe that is just Tom's "game play". Make everyone truly believe you are a honest to goodness good guy and that way they will trust you and your advice. I thought it was good game play the way Tom influenced Ian, poor Ian, he was definetly over matched.

I think James thought Stephanie was "bad voodoo" the way he kept talking about how she was the only one left on her tribe before and he thought she might be the "voodoo" that was keeping his team from winning.

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    

Why should a woman or anyone else back down and quietly agree with an angry man and let him keep ranting and yelling just to keep him quiet?
I am shaking in anger at this statement.
James is a huge person and he
scares me. I despise that exhibition of rage, and I have an idea that most of his exhibition was edited out.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I didn't say Steph *should* have done anything. I just think that if someone is hot, mad and you decide to engage them in argument, expect them to get even madder and more hot-headed, not to calm down. Knowing when to walk away and not engage is a great skill to have in the game of Survivor.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Since Steph was on her way out, maybe her last comment to James was a way to GET him to mouth off once again, with the hope that he, too, would be booted sooner than later and not make the jury..

She was leaving, so other than some potential pissiness at Ponderosa should he leave soon, what did she have to lose in not biting her tongue?

It isn't like they are friends off the show and have a relationship to preserve and it was crystal clear that he strongly targetted her to be booted and that started before the competition was lost for immunity.

I don't think for a minute that James thought she was bad voodoo.. I think he's still smarting from being outwitted and betrayed by a female alliance and he's going after a very strong woman who also isn't allied with his group this year and WAS allying with two formerly successful male survivors, Colby and Tom. His mantra about her being the only one left on her team was just his opening to get her booted.

And for whatever reason, it worked .. for each member of that tribe, they've made it another week. Will be interesting to see how his behavior and demeanor will serve him long term on the show.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 1:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I was talking about right after the challenge, when James was yelling about people not listening to JT. At that point, I wonder if everyone had just kept quiet if he'd have calmed down more quickly.

At tribal, it's a free for all and if you're fighting for your life, then I'd let it all hang out! Full on war!

As for Steph's parting words, her scolding. I just saw that as bitter words. Yes, it's disappointing to be voted out, but I always respect the players that leave the game with their head held high. James was not the only vote for Steph, many of the others voted her out too!

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 1:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
I loved it...and hope for more of the same.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 1:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
LOL Sally. I'd like to see James go far. Tantrums or not. He's an interesting player.

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 2:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
I'd like to see James go up against a hulking man who is a head taller and 100 pounds heavier.

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 6:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
That may not be necessary Catfat....we saw Parveti play him like a fiddle in the past.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 10:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I think James is changing his game attitude since the last times he played. The nice hulky guy persona didn't workout well for him.

I said it before, I didn't think James was all that off base giving Steph an earful for not going along with the original plan of letting JT handle the challenge. Size and stregnth is not the utmost characteristic needed to win this game. It's mostly a game of finesse and social skills. And by social skills I don't mean most popular but knowing how to read and manipulatethe tribe. And it's not about finding hidden immunity idol without clues.

I thought it was more obnoxious that Steph left throwing gabs instead of wishing them all well. I think Tom made himself a larger and earlier target by getting involved in the James vs Steph fiasco.

I'm sure both James and Tom won't be long before they are both gone.