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Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 6:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Thanks to Survivor Fever, pics and transcrript for next week:

Transcript:

Jeff Probst: Next time on Survivor...

Rob <stumbling in jungle, passes out> : Ugh.
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Jerri: Rob.

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Medic <checking Rob's pupils>: Can you open your eyes for us?

Jeff Probst: Rob, can you hear me?

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 6:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Jeff's Blog from Episode 1 Premiere!
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We’re baaaaaack… and it feels so good!

Might as well start at the beginning.

Last night’s two-hour premiere was one of our best ever. In fact, it was so good I think CBS should air it again. In the words of our fearless leader Mark Burnett, ”It was epic!”

It started with the kickass marooning where the Survivors landed on the beach courtesy of the Royal New Zealand Air Force and their Huey helicopters.

INSIGHT: We had to get special permission from the New Zealand government to get the use of the Huey’s and the Air Force personnel to fly them. We came to an agreement that allowed the RNZAF to use our rehearsals (without the real Survivors on board) as an opportunity to also practice various mission maneuvers for which they needed a location and situation to conduct them. It was a win-win.

If you watch it again you can see that when we did it for real with the Survivors on board and the Huey’s approaching the beach, it even resembles a mission. Two come in and land, sand flying around. They depart and the other two come in. It’s also worth mentioning that it went off without a hitch. Everybody hit their marks, it was magical.

As a thank you we had the RNZAF personnel rehearse one of our big challenges against our dream team. It was a great day in which I swapped one of my Survivor baseball caps for one of their RNZAF caps.

THE MAROONING

Moments in, we knew that we had made the right choice to go with the theme of Heroes vs. Villains. You could feel the rivalry even as the two tribes were departing the helicopters. The heroes were puffing their chests with pride, the villains were puffing their chests looking for a fight. The opening Q/A was fascinating. The fact that every villain believes they are a hero speaks to how important perspective is in this game. ”Outwit, outplay, outlast.” It’s an important factor to keep in mind as you watch this game.

There are very few rules in Survivor, the contestants are responsible for determining which qualities to reward and that is where the perspective of having played once before will have a big impact. For instance, if Russell plays the same game he did in Samoa during this season, he has a much better chance of winning because this group of players has a different set of criteria for what it takes to win the game. That is only one of the reasons I believe this season is going to deliver.

We knew we wanted a big, badass challenge right off the bat to let them know this season was going to be physical and demanding. We expected a battle but we didn’t expect it to rise to the physical level it did. Injury count: Dislocated shoulder (Stephenie), broken toe (Rupert – man you should have heard him screaming as the doctors tried to set it), and a topless finish and double ”flip-off.” (Thanks, Sugar.) On top of those injuries, there were lots of bruised up bodies that had been worked over during those digs in the sand.

The Coach/Colby matchup was one of the more anticipated. Colby waltzed through his first Survivor experience in Australia virtually unchallenged. Coach, his opponent, believes he can do anything and beat anybody… and whadaya know, he did. Coach worked Colby. He even had me fooled — I thought Colby was dragging Coach along, turns out Coach was riding Colby to the finish line.

In typical hero fashion, Colby merely nodded at the loss and moved on. It’s early in the game and he didn’t seem too concerned. And if you had any question about why Tyson was invited back, he answered that question with this quip: ”I can only imagine what Colby is thinking… I may as well become a woman because there is no point on trying to maintain my masculinity now.” Ah, it’s one of the nice things about having returning Survivors – they’re great interviews.

I have to tell you, writing this blog is a pleasure because this episode was absolutely fantastic. I challenge you to show the first 20 minutes of this episode to anybody – Survivor fan or not – and have them not want to watch the rest of the premiere and the season.

FIRST MOMENTS ON THEIR BEACHES

It was interesting to watch the two very different ways the first moments on their respective beaches played out. The Heroes got to work quickly. Everybody pitching in, their experience really showing. The Hero music was appropriately uplifting and heroic. The Villains ignored shelter and turned immediately to strategy. Russell was back to his bag of tricks, making alliances with everybody. The Villain music was also appropriate: heavy, suspicious and dramatic.

Russell made an interesting comment: ”I’m the best to ever play this game and now I get to prove it.” How do you feel about the idea behind his cocky declaration? Do you believe that the winner of this season will go down as the ”best to ever play?” Or will the winner of this season simply be ”the winner of Heroes vs Villains.” There are so many factors that go into someone winning this game that I often wonder if you can ever truly declare someone the best. I will say that to win this season you will have to play one helluva game. Nobody is going to win by coattailing it. No chance that kind of behavior will be rewarded. Playing an ”under the radar game” is different than riding somebody’s coattails. Please don’t ask me to explain the difference because I’m not sure I can; it’s just a gut feeling that I believe I can spot.

Another fascinating aspect of the first few days is watching the various egos inflate and deflate. We have a lot of true leaders this season and when you’re a leader it’s tough to accept the role of being a follower.

Coach is a perfect example. It is painful for Coach when he tries to be a follower. He’s a good solider but he feels he’s a better General. Boston Rob was playing him for a fool during their ”coconut tree challenge” when he tried to entice him to climb the tree. But I actually think that Boston Rob and Coach could be a good team if they could both get past their egos. Coach still wants it badly and Rob needs some of that in his alliances because after becoming a husband and a father, I’m not sure Rob wants it badly enough. Rob can last a long time based on sheer street smarts but he will need to get his ”Survivor instincts” back quickly if he is to last.

IMMUNITY CHALLENGE

The first immunity challenge was probably more revealing about the tribes than the first reward challenge. The differences in the strength of both tribes was clearly illuminated in this challenge. The Heroes are stronger but their egos get in the way. The Villains work together better. That was the difference in this challenge. Boston Rob and Sandra led the villains to victory by leading them through the puzzle. Period. They’re both scrappy players and scrappy will be the key to winning this season. That doesn’t mean a Hero can’t win, it merely means that in my opinion, by the time this season is over, the idea of what makes up a Hero or Villain will fluctuate quite a bit. ”Outwit, outplay… outlast.”

Okay, without thinking it through – just off the top of my head — here are some overall thoughts about some of the returning Survivors:

Sandra Diaz – I am so glad she is back. I love her lippy way of telling it like it is. Courtney is also surprising me early on. I like how hard she fought in the initial challenge. Cirie is a legit, 100% full-on threat to win this game. Parvati, if given any kind of an opening will worm her way back into a solid alliance. Russell is a no-brainer. Take him out early or risk seeing him in the final again. Tom Westman, so glad he came back for another go. He needs a strong alliance and if he gets it, he will go deep. He’s a very good ”people person.” Rupert, Rupert, Rupert. It’s hard for me to distinguish the Survivor Rupert from the real Rupert. Maybe there isn’t a difference anymore, but I know this… kids still love them some Rupert!

TRIBAL COUNCIL

One of the greatest tribal council sets we’ve ever had. Forty feet in the air, a massive build, it is stunning. Our two production designers, Jesse Jensen and Dan Munday, are incredible talents. The fact that we have not lost them to the movie world is a testament to how strong our team is and how much we all enjoy working on this show.

The idea of ”past relationships” came up during Tribal Council and it is going to be a theme this season. If you’re in a Survivor pool, make sure you factor this into your decision of who you think will win. It could go either way – being tied to others from your season could work for you or against you, just as being the only one out there from your season could work for you or against you – but it will be discussed a lot and will factor into how people vote.

James illuminated the biggest challenge on the hero tribe: The Heroes must start listening to each other and let the ego go. Otherwise tribal council will become their second home.

THE FIRST TO GO

Sugar didn’t really seem like she was ready to do this again. I think she fell victim to the ”what did I get myself into” realization that often happens to a returning Survivor. They forget how miserable it was and so they say ”Yes!” to returning for another go. Then they get out there and by the end of day one they are quickly reminded… ”Oh yeah, I forgot. This sucks.”

I don’t think her tribe will miss her, and in fairness, I don’t think she’ll miss the tribe. I think Sugar would be the first to admit that the Survivor experience was more about being on television than it was anything else. I’m glad she came back, she was worth taking a shot on, but Colby said it best, given the amazing amount of personality this season, she won’t be missed.

Talk next week.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 6:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Pamy's Favorite Part --- TC Voting Booth:
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Candice (votes Sugar): Sugar, I'm voting for you tonight because that's what everyone else is doing. I didn't want it to be you and I'm sorry. I think you're great.
Colby (votes Sugar): Really one of the main things is, with you gone Sugar, I don't know we'd lose that much and another thing, day 2 and you're already breaking down emotionally, I don't know if you are cut out for this game. Good luck.
Cirie (votes Sugar): I don't think this is the smartest vote, but I have to go with the tribe right now.
Rupert (votes Sugar): I am so sorry I couldn't change the guys votes. I'm sorry Sugar.
Stephenie (votes Sugar): Sugar you are as sweet as pie, you really are, but right now, we feel like you are not one of the stronger people that's gonna help us in the game so I'm really sorry, good luck to you.
Tom (votes Sugar): Sugar, so sad its you. You're talented and sensitive person. I loved having you around camp, you were so fun.
Amanda (votes Sugar): I'm voting for you tonight because you are one of the weakest players on the team.
James (votes Sugar): I don't know, just want to keep this team strong.
Sugar (votes Amanda): I think you're kinda fake and I want to keep everyone that is totally real on as long as possible, so...
JT (votes Sugar): This is strictly because you were starting to scare me and I can't trust you at all.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 7:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
TDT pretty much has all of Episode 2 spoiled based on pics from the TV Guide showing, and the spoiler's boot list posted a long time ago:

Thanks to TDT for the pics and information:
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Episode 2 - Reward Challenge
“Slip, Slide and Score”
First seen in "Fiji" where they went down slip-n-slides, and had to grab a specific numbered ball (randomly assigned), then shoot it into a basket at the end of the course. First tribe to get the ball in the basket got a point, and first tribe to six points won.
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Episode 2 - Immunity Challenge: Villains Win
“Sumo At Sea” – also first seen in "Fiji"
In the Fiji version, the contestants faced off in a modified sumo battle, whacking each other with large pillows in an attempt to knock their opponent off the raised platform, and into the (muddy) water. First tribe to seven bout wins won the overall challenge. Chief new wrinkle here: more mud.
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Boot: Stephanie (Per Spoiler's list)

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Ginger Notes:
If you are just checking in and don't know what Spoiler's list I'm talking about, check back on the first 2 or 3 pages of this thread.

Also, the previews for Rob's Passing Out or Falling next week, is probably worked around because he is not scheduled to go anywhere now. Since this thread is for Episode 2 only, I will not explain further, but check out that spoiler's list in the General Thread, and you will get my drift.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 8:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Woohoo ripply muscles!! This older crowd doesn't bounce so good anymore, but they look great and play balls-out.

ETA I wonder if that injury to Stephanie's shoulder is the reason she goes. Tough lady, but the pain from the injury certainly could be a big problem.

Southern_grits
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10-08-2009

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Southern_grits a private message Print Post    
I'm even wondering if it ends up being more than just the pain. My husband dislocated his finger a couple years ago and the doctor told us there is nothing simple about a dislocation because the tendons/ligaments have to stretch so much coming out and going back the chance of damage is pretty high.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 11:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I'm thinking that the title "It's Getting the Best of Me" might be referring to Stephenie's injury; however, she sure looked like, at the challenge, that she bounced back after it was relocated for her. She was very active in the Immunity Challenge, and they were way ahead until the puzzle-solving portion began.

I'm also thinking that Stephenie is considered to be a big threat, especially with her obvious alliance with Tom, cause Cirie and some of the others were already talking about booting her over Sugar in Episode 1. None of them were talking about booting her because of the shoulder, but because she was a threat in both her skills and her strength of alliance with Tom.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 11:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
CBS press release:

IN ONE OF THE MOST EXPLOSIVE TRIBAL COUNCILS EVER, SECRETS AND STRATEGIES ARE REVEALED AS TEMPERS FLARE, AND A HEATED ARGUMENT THREATENS TO TEAR THE WHOLE TRIBE APART, ON "SURVIVOR: HEROES VS. VILLAINS," THURSDAY, FEB. 18

A castaway reveals that old grudges die hard and makes a move to put a former ally on the chopping block.

Meanwhile, one Villain pushes so hard to provide for the tribe that he passes out cold. obviously Boston Rob

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 11:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Who dislocated Stephanie's shoulder, BTW? And was it intentional? I think any player who causes an injury like that either intentionally or with complete reckless disregard for the other player should get the boot.

These challenges have been way too violent in recent seasons. I'm surprised there haven't been even more serious injuries.

Northshore
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08-10-2005

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Northshore a private message Print Post    
Maybe I'm bias because I like Stephanie but I think it was totally intentional. Sandra dislocated her shoulder and you could hear Courtney yelling to Sandra before hand something to the effect "break her shoulder". I also thought it was too violent as many of them were pushing them fists into the others throat.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 12:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I thought it was Parvati doing the dislocating.. but whoever it was, Sandra or Parvati, it sure did look intentional to me. Someone shouting to egg her on and she held on way past knowing she was doing damage.

I was pretty repulsed that Jeff didn't step in like he did last season when a line was crossed.. and then later in the challenge, Jeff yells to play fair? And that wasn't to the magnitude of what was done to Stephenie.

I'm not impressed by just HOW gleeful Jeff and other bloggers have been about these injuries, like that is a GOOD thing? Not at all in my opinion. Do they think we want to watch human pit pull fights?

Sorry, I read the blog where whoever it was claimed that people would want to watch the episode over and over. I watched and deleted immediately and then deleted the second recording from the upstairs DVR.

Hadn't read a thing about this season until 5 minutes prior to the show time (east coast) but guess I need to catch up in the season/general spoiler thread.

Thanks, Ginger!!!!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 1:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Ah, was back reading the episode 1 spoilers and at least they agreed with what I thought I saw.. Parvati being the culprit, though there is also something saying that Stephenie's shoulder was injured and prone to dislocation, but that doesn't make it okay to grab it and try to create an unnatural angle..


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Thanks to TDT, a summary of the results of the first RC which takes place right on the beach after the players have just landed.
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Probst said at the 10th anniversary reunion event (video here): "Five minutes into the game, we have a broken toe, a dislocated shoulder, and a topless finish." And SurvivorsUnite adds more details: "Parvati is the one who dislocates Stephenie's arm during the challenge. And Boston Rob is the one who gives a broken toe to Rupert."




And the topless part had not a thing to do with rough or active play.. someone just reached down and unhooked Sugar's top, I guess thinking she would stay on the ground but nope.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 2:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Anytime you have events where people grapple with each other, the tension is high and there is a lot at stake then these things can happen. It's not like fake professional wrestling.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 2:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
According to the fellow who recaps at Entertainment Weekly, we saw that challenge out of order. He said they really went to five points to win, but edited down to three because it took so long. He said that Stephanie actually dislocated her own shoulder when she put the heavy bag on the mat. More amazing, she was in two heats and participated in her second heat after they put her shoulder back:


* As some of you may know, often when there is a challenge on Survivor that is presented as a ''first team to three wins,'' in actuality, it was something much longer. Take this reward challenge: What you saw on TV was a ''first one to three wins.'' But in reality, the teams actually played all the way to five. Remember how the Villains went up 2-1 after Coach dragged Colby back to the Villains mat? In actuality, the Heroes had a whopping 4-0 lead when that contest took place, and that Coach victory merely got the Villains back to 4-1. But this was just the tip of the out-of-order iceberg, and what I am about to tell you is so convoluted and confusing we may need Lostexpert Doc Jensen to decipher it. The first-round match-up you saw with Stephenie and Cirie vs. Parvati and Danielle was actually round six and got the Villains back to being down only 4-2. But wait, it gets even more confusing. Remember how you saw Stephenie dislocate her shoulder and Probst remarked how she injured herself in the very first round of the very first challenge. Well, that was true, but it wasn't the round you saw. The actual first round (that you did not see) featured the exact same match-up (Stephenie and Cirie vs. Parvati and Danielle) and it was actually a Heroes victory. Not only that, but the injury appeared to occur while Stephenie was slapping the mat with her extended arm to give her team the win. So, the round you saw presented as the first match-up was actually a rematch that Stephenie was participating in after she had already dislocated her shoulder! (How tough is she?) So, the injury happened in one place, but was edited into another. Now because this is all a bit hard to follow, let me be clear about one thing: There is no monkeying around when it comes to Survivor challenges. The teams compete and the winner is the winner. Nothing is rigged. When you saw people winning rounds, they were winning rounds, maybe just not in the exact order it actually happened. Like all elements of the show, the producers just often record much more than can actually show so then have to figure out the best way to condense it all. (For example, the one round where Coach dragged Colby to his mat took over nine minutes by itself. It was an epic duel that was mesmerizing to witness, but simply too long to show in its entirety) And Stephenie did injure her shoulder in that competition against those same players, just not in the round they showed us. I'm actually surprised they edited it this way because watching Stephenie dislocating it as she won, and then coming back to compete after injuring it was pretty dramatic in itself. Again, just not enough time.

20343684_2%2C00.html,http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20343684_2,00.html

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 3:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
So when Courtney was yelling to "break her shoulder," she already knew that Stephenie's shoulder was a sore spot.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 3:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
I never thought of that but she sure did know about it. She's even meaner than I thought.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 3:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
appears that way. What a gem she is. barf

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 3:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
If the above is true, I'm wondering why it appears Jeff is standing on the beach saying the villians are ahead one-zero. It appears to be real footage, not voice over.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 4:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I feel like I just read ... "Who's On First"!!!
(Abbott and Costello) - LOL

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 4:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
LMAO!

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 5:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
If the above is true, I'm wondering why it appears Jeff is standing on the beach saying the villians are ahead one-zero. It appears to be real footage, not voice over.

I think they have him saying it in every way possible so they can use whichever one they need for the final edit. Just my take on it.

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 6:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Okay, Colby still looks good, especially that photo above.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, February 12, 2010 - 8:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Yeah they seem to film for hours and then create what they want.. but if that was the last comp and after the shoulder was out, why was Parv pulling it back at such an odd angle.. surely they weren't having HER try to reset it..

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 5:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Oooops ... Appears that TDT was a bit premature putting up the pictures of the IC for Episode 2, and I was a bit premature bringing them here. New CBS releases show a different IC, but it is also a repeat from a previous season (as is expected almost all of this season).
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Notice that Rupert is sitting out for the Heroes
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And Randy and Courtney are sitting out for the Villains
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Heroes loading their block
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Boston Rob handling the weight for the villains.

Transcript:

Announcer: War has broken out on Survivor island. When the "never say die" heroes...

Tom: It's all on the line today.

Announcer: ...clash with the all-time worst villains...

Jerri: I don't want to see anybody get hurt.

Announcer: ...someone's going to break.

Rob <in challenge>: Owwwww.

Jerri: Rob?

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Rob: It's gettin' the best of me.
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End result summary (unless more releases cause a change in speculation again).

RC - Slippy Slide (Maybe?)
IC - Block Stacking
IC Winner - Villains
Boot - Stephenie

And Rob says the title words.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
A cut and paste from an interview with Sugar done by Zap2It:
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On the Colby "showmance":

I'm not attracted to Colby. That's like 5 seconds of what really went down and I think it's hilarious that they played it that way. They totally made me look like Jerri No. 2, not that there's anything wrong with that.

On Russell and what anybody knew before the season started:

Certain people might have inside people who might know more about what's really going on and they're best friends with people... It's life, it's "Survivor," it's Hollywood. People did know certain things [coughsParvaticoughs].

That's exactly who I was thinking of. She made some comments in an interview during the show that seemed like she knew more about Russell --

Yeah. Well, all they told us, the common players, was that Russell was on the last season, he obviously did something important or big enough for them to bring him back and when he was placed on the Villains team we knew he was a villain and probably went really far in the game. But some other people maybe knew some things...

[At this point, the interview is cut off by CBS]