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Alaginger
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Friday, April 10, 2009 - 6:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Transcript:

Jeff Probst: Next time on Survivor, Brendan wages war on Coach.

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Brendan <talking to Stephen, JT, Sierra>: Us four and Taj... I think we go after...Coach

Brendan <in confessional>: The exile alliance hibernated for awhile. It's finally going to rear it's ugly head.

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Taj <walking and talking to Brendan>: Rock and roll.

Jeff Probst: Coach fights back.

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Coach <in confessional>: We're cutting the head off of the dragon. When it comes head to head, we'll see who really was the chosen one.

Alaginger
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Jeff's Blog for this week:

Jeff Probst blogs 'Survivor: Tocantins' (episode 7)
Apr 10, 2009, 07:47 AM | by Pop Watch

Categories: 'Survivor', About Last Night, Reality TV, Television



I have to say, I really enjoyed tonight's episode. It was very different from your typical Survivor episode and maybe that's what I liked about it. I don't always like an episode dominated by strategy talk but tonight was an exception. Tonight, I loved the dizzying amount of strategizing.

There are so many alliances going on that for the first time in 18 seasons I am delightfully confused. I can barely keep track of them all. It doesn't take a very smart 5th grader to tell there are going to be a lot of blindsides coming up in the next few weeks. It's almost guaranteed with this many alliances, not all of them can hold up. Betrayal is coming. To win this season of Survivor you are going to have to play a fantastic mental game from here on out.

If you let your guard down for one moment or trust that anybody is telling you the truth, your odds for being out skyrocket.

Which brings me to Coach. He is one of the most naïve dragon slayers I've ever met. He took JT's handshake and promise of loyalty straight up without a chaser, no ice, just down the hatch. If he didn't have all the tattoos I would seriously wonder if Coach was a real dragon slayer. All the dragon slayers I've met are notoriously lacking in the trust department. It is part of the dragon slayer training. Even Wikipedia has a pretty extensive manual on dragon slaying and the third rule is "trust no one, slay every one."

Speaking of Coach's tattoos, they all look very new. The ink is very bright and colorful. I would think given all of his adventures and death defying escapades that the ink would be a bit faded if for no other reason than all of the wear and tear. QUESTION: Is it possible that he actually got most of the tats in anticipation of Survivor? I bet at least two of them are within the last six months. I'm giving 5-1 odds.

By the way - so many people got upset last week because I said Taj was 'second tier' smart. It had nothing to do with her being a woman, it had to do with the way she is playing the game. I think she is playing a bit passive and that's just my take. Remember, I'm just a reality show host,.. and yes, I get paid either way.

While I'm at it, let me share for those of you who don't read the comments that people make in response to this blog that last weeks collection of responses was the most negative ever! Record setting in veracity and volume. I actually printed out all of the comments and posted them on my refrigerator… and my oven...and my kitchen table...and then I moved to the living room...and finally the downstairs bedroom. The rest of them I took to the local recycling plant, which refused them due to excess weight.

PERSONAL INSIGHT: I hated the stupid "flashes of lightning" we added to Coach's meditative stretching at the top of the show. I don't like any of those cheap effects but clearly I was outvoted this time.

Anybody else wonder how JT still has a belly? I think it's getting bigger, too. Is that from the merge feast? That kid must have eaten a lot. It doesn't take a huge imagination to imagine JT at about 65 years old. Same ole swagger, bit of a grin as he sips on his third beer. He could easily be a sheriff of a small town. Or that guy who everybody knows because he can fix anything. He's the somewhat surly old man who doesn't say much, mostly just nods, which makes him even more mysterious, but when he does talk, the townspeople, they listen.

It's the same on Survivor. People seem to listen to JT. Dunno why exactly but he has an easy way about him and that charm is working very well. People who get other people to listen to them do very well in this game.

QUESTION: Why is everybody so turned off by Brendan? Are they jealous or just threatened? I like Brendan. I can see that he's a threat but everybody seems to have a lot of animosity toward him. I really don't get it.

Tyson is a blast to watch and I love his witty commentary… but Tyson hates everybody. I am so curious what is driving his hatred of Sierra. Doesn't he know, Sierra could end up married to a Survivor producer and then if there's another all-star season and Tyson is on it, he might have to deal with a producer who married Sierra and that could make him feel bad, requiring therapy and possibly acupuncture? Doesn't he think about stuff like that? Who doesn't think about stuff like that? It could happen.

I loved the immunity challenge. For my money, this is the perfect type of Survivor challenge. Very simple in concept but very difficult to execute. Hang on for as long as you can until you have to let go at which point prepare to lose most of your skin.

The best/worst moment of the night had to be Sierra sliding down the post. I still cringe thinking about how much skin scraped off as she caught every part of that pole on her way down. Sierra is a model and I'm guessing her day rate will be greatly diminished as a result of that challenge.

In case you are wondering, my reactions to those things are not fake, we don't come back and shoot them later – I really do make that kind of ridiculous face when I see things like that happen. Biggest drag of the night – losing Joe to an injury. You could tell from his reaction that Joe was in some serious pain. I can tell you from his comments to me after the docs gave him the news that he did not want to leave. He was very disappointed.

INSIGHT: Our medical team checks on the Survivors throughout the course of the show so it was not unusual for them to take a look at Joe. The rules of Survivor are very clear regarding injuries. You can stay in the game as long as you like, unless our doctors decide that an injury is life threatening, at which point our doctors can pull you from the game whether you want to go or not. That is what happened to Joe. Joe did not want to leave, we did not want Joe to leave. The doctors insisted he leave. There was nothing we could do about it. Just like when they took out Penner and James in Fans Vs. Favorites. The doctors have a big voice on Survivor when it comes to the health of the contestants and for good reason. We are in the middle of nowhere and if someone gets in trouble it is not a quick trip around the block to the nearest hospital. In Tocantins, we were several hours by car and nearly two hours by helicopter from the nearest hospital. They looked at his leg and decided the infection was too risky. He was evacuated and taken to hospital and he is doing fine. We have an amazing medical team. They not only take care of the Survivors but also our crew of over 400.

Last word of the night goes to Serena who absolutely hates Stephen. She thinks he is a "three-faced, lying, manipulative, scheming, back-stabber, follower!" To further quote Serena, "He probably started liking the Lakers when Shaq and Kobe won their three rings together." Clearly Serena likes her hoops as well. This is an assessment I agree with completely (except for the follower part) and is further evidence of why I refer to him as a very smart player, definitely first tier.

Goodnight.

--Jeff Probst

Alaginger
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Friday, April 10, 2009 - 12:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Cut and paste from Joe's interview:

RNO: What happened after they flew you out of Survivor?

Joe: We went straight to the hospital. It was like an hour trip and there they put me in a room and I guess we did surgery a couple hours after or the next day, I can’t remember. I stayed there a couple days and went back to Ponderosa.

RNO: What did they do?

Joe: They’re calling it a huge staph infection. They put me under and lanced it and cut it open and cleaned everything out – four or five stitches, no big deal.

RNO: You haven’t had any lingering problems?

Joe: No, not at all.

RNO: It wasn’t clear on the episode – are you on the jury?

Joe: No, I’m not.

Seamonkey
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Friday, April 10, 2009 - 4:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Favorite part from Jeff:


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Tyson is a blast to watch and I love his witty commentary… but Tyson hates everybody. I am so curious what is driving his hatred of Sierra. Doesn't he know, Sierra could end up married to a Survivor producer and then if there's another all-star season and Tyson is on it, he might have to deal with a producer who married Sierra and that could make him feel bad, requiring therapy and possibly acupuncture? Doesn't he think about stuff like that? Who doesn't think about stuff like that? It could happen.




LOL.. I guess that is what I don't like about Tyson.. hating everyone.. I tend to like more people than I hate and don't understand all that hatred on his part. Doesn't entertain me at all.

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TNT.. as I remember it TAJ found the idol but let Stephen hold it and he considers it "his". When she went to make the fake idol she dug out the idol she thinks of as hers from his bag and later he made sure to get it back and I think he was going to hide it elsewhere. Not sure of that part but he's being quite possessive of it and then the other guy they told about it.. HE seems to figure that it belongs to him. I'd think that unless one of the others physically handed it to him, he wouldn't be allowed to just take and use it.

And I think it was all a gigantic mistake on Taj's part to let it out of her control.

Tntitanfan
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Friday, April 10, 2009 - 4:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Yep, Sea! The single biggest mistake to date! I just hope others make larger ones!

I thought JT found the idol while looking for something to transport the fish and later asked Stephen about it. Stephen then LIED that he had wanted to tell JT, but Taj did not!

Kookliebird
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Friday, April 10, 2009 - 8:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Sierra could end up married to a Survivor producer and then if there's another all-star season and Tyson is on it, he might have to deal with a producer who married Sierra and that could make him feel bad, requiring therapy and possibly acupuncture

So, why would this comment come up? Did Sierra meet a producer during Survivor?

Biscottiii
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Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 1:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Seamonkey ~ "..other guy they told about it.. HE seems to figure that it belongs to him. I'd think that unless one of the others physically handed it to him, he wouldn't be allowed to just take and use it. "

My impression, from that, was after JT discovered Taj's II in the bag (which she had previously been considering telling him about anyway) - when she was 'fessing up to JT, she told him something to the effect that 'if you get into trouble & ever need this II, I will give it to you'.

He's being entirely self-focused on his own game (really, WHY would Taj simply throw herself on her sword, sacrificing her own chances, to guarantee lil' ol' TJ wins a $million?). In his mind, that offer suddenly made the II 'instant property of JT', and "HIS".

I also believe JT was the one who also discussed with Stephen that, since Taj "gave" the II to Stephen to hold, it wasn't hers anymore. I sure hope Brendan starts talking to Taj next week to clue her in & bringing her back to the fold, she's making some dumb moves. Can't she possibly find some bush or nitch to HIDE the HII herself? I've spotted some bushes or nitches, that would work just fine, myself!

Seamonkey
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Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 3:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Yes she did say that but if he was to just TAKE it without asking, that wouldn't fly with TPTB.. or maybe it would.

Yes.. TAJ made a mess of it.. she found it so I think technically she could take it from wherever it is and use it. But she did hand it to Stephen to hold, and thus he considers that he could unilaterally use it (and I think probably he could). JT.. not so sure. The only place he "found" it was when he went into Stephen's belongings. I thought after TAJ had it back while making the fake idol, Stephen then put it in a hidden area that perhaps she isn't aware of.

What would be interesting is if they actually got down to the point where it was the last time to use idols and if ALL the idols were used, including the fake one. This is not likely but would be head spinning.

There could be four. The two hidden idols, the immunity necklace for that week AND the fake idol.

Kooklie.. I believe that from Jeff's blogs and perhaps other sources it seems that Sierra is with someone connected to Survivor production.

Alaginger
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Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 5:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I see you guys are discussing the possession of the idol found by Taj again. Jeff covered this in his Blog of Episode 5, and I brought his Blog over here to the thread for week after Episode 5, which happened to be the week we had no show to watch. So, maybe you guys didn't read it. Here, in blue, is what Jeff explained about Stephen having the idol in his pocket.
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Word on the street: People like Taj and I can see why. She's coming across as a likable, hard working, and industrious player. But boy did she make a potential million- dollar mistake when she gave the idol to Stephen.

Let me answer your question before you ask it...Stephen is absolutely correct that at this moment, the idol belongs to him. Case closed.

INSIGHT: Within the rules of Survivor, Taj has absolutely zero claim to the idol. If you give the idol to someone for "safe keeping" you better trust them because the person who possesses it owns it. Period. The only exception is theft –you cannot steal the idol from someone.

So the moment Taj handed that idol to Stephen she gave away the single most powerful thing in the game and trust me, Stephen is aware of this stroke of luck. Even if she had put conditions on it, such as "you have to give it to me if I need it" – doesn't matter. Remember Dreams and Yau-Man and the car negotiation for a vote that never materialized. Same thing. A Survivor agreement is only as good as the word of the person on the other end of the negotiation.

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So, in my opinion, Stephen knows he now owns the idol because Taj gave it to him, and Taj has told JT that if he gets into a position where he needs it she will give it to him to use to save their alliance, but she doesn't have it to give. But, Stephen and JT have already discussed this and plan to ditch Taj somewhere along the way, using her idol for the benefit of their own 2-way alliance (sneaky b*stards). Frankly, I'm not even sure if JT should trust Stephen, since Stephen originally didn't even want JT to be in on the fact there even was an idol in their possession.

Cokegirl
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Kookliebird
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Friday, April 10, 2009 - 8:45 pm
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Sierra could end up married to a Survivor producer and then if there's another all-star season and Tyson is on it, he might have to deal with a producer who married Sierra and that could make him feel bad, requiring therapy and possibly acupuncture

So, why would this comment come up? Did Sierra meet a producer during Survivor?


I believe JP was talking about himself since he is one of the producers of the show. It was a joke.

Pamy
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Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 9:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I dont' find Stephen and JT sneaky, I think they are playing a good game, granted the fell backwards into their situations but they have done well with them ever since.

Alaginger
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Pamy ... I just don't feel good with the way Stephen has treated Taj. He said in his confessional that it's his, and Jeff explained in his Blog that Stephen is correct. I know it's a game, but I just hate to see somebody take advantage like that. Taj put her confidence in him and brought him onboard, and he didn't explain the ramifications of his having hold of the idol makes it his since it was given to him (not stolen). She made a mistake .... and you can call that dumb or naive or just not understanding the rules ... whatever you like. But, his confessional stating that he understood completely what it meant, and didn't return the favor to Taj that she had just given to him....rubbed me the wrong way. Whatever...it's just the way I feel about it. I'm not the only one. On several of the Boards, people have lost respect for Stephen because of it.

But, it's Survivor ... it's a game ... and it's outsmart, outplay, outwit, blah! blah! blah! (LOL), so I guess he is calling it gameplay.

Mamabatsy
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Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
There's gameplay and then there's dirty gameplay. If Stephen were to prevent Taj from using the idol if needed, he'd be in a class with what's-his-name who promised a vote for the truck, kept the truck and didn't give the vote. People tend to think that other's have the same degree of integrity as they have. Taj and was it Yau? are honest people and expect others to be just as honest.

Pamy
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Ginger, oh I totally understand what you are saying. I will probably feel more like you do if/when Stephen does screw Taj. I like Taj but don't really want her to win, maybe that is why I don't feel as strongly yet. I don't want Brendan to win either, even though I have him as my pick in the top 10 pool at work.

Kookliebird
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But, I think Stephen would screw over any of them to get to the goal. Unless the editing is creating this scenario, the other Survivors don't seem to see this, only us viewers.

Alaginger
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Saturday, April 11, 2009 - 1:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I see what both you guys are saying ... I need to wait and see what Stephen actually does before I judge. Okey-Dokey ... I can do that!

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Tntitanfan
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I guess my problem with Stephen is that lying to your opponents is one thing; lying to your allies is another. Of course, they will all become opponents down the line, but I expect people in an alliance to be true (and truthful) to one another as long as they CAN! But just my two cents worth -

Seamonkey
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Ihave no respect for Stephen if he does screw Taj over the idol.. I do hope she hangs on long enough to be on the jury, at least. And meanwhile, would like to see Stephen leave sooner.

Tntitanfan
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Me too, Sea, but not gonna happen, I fear!

Alaginger
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Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 5:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Taj is definitely on the jury. Joe said in his interview that he is not jury. There are only 9 people left, so the next person to get the boot has to be the first jury member. Question is, with starting out at 16 players, is this an F3 or an F2 season. F2 means 7 on the jury, no way for a tie. F3 means 6 on the jury. No one spoiling or speculating on this yet, that I've seen.

Tntitanfan
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Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 6:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
I am actually anxious to see what the "biggest fraud" in the game IS! There are plenty to choose from!

Pamy
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Tnt, Me too!!! I hope they find out Coach isn't really a Coach and start calling him Benji.

Askme_who_ur
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Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Askme_who_ur a private message Print Post    
Don't say that, Pamy. Benji was a cute lovable pup. Coach isn't any thing close to being cute or lovable.

Pamy
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good point. How about they can call him BJ? hee

Tntitanfan
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I'd love for someone to call him out!