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Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 11:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Glad to hear Jeff felt badly for Randy too!

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
I liked tribal council last night. And as far as everyone laughing, when someone pulls off a coup like that, I think laughter just bubbles up.
It was wonderful strategy.
And not that I disliked Randy so much, I am just saying it was brilliant gameplay.
And didn't Randy say he was going to be as mean and hateful as possible during the last days before TC so they would vote him off and he could pull out the idol? That also would have been good strategy, but he was outplayed.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I got the feeling those laughing closeups were very edited...I just got the feeling that they were captured at different times and edited in at certain times...I am sure many of them were laughing at the same time but just cuz we saw Crystal stop laughing first does not mean she really did stop laughing first. I never saw Bob laugh at all but does that mean he never did??? nope, just means they didnt edit it in. He looked sad, in fact I told Dylan Bob is prolly an awesome poker player, great poker face!

Just cuz we dont see someone talking behind someone's back doesnt mean it doesnt happen. I have read that Charlie said many disliked Sugar and that she was horrible around camp, we havent seen that at all. So either they havent shown it or Charlie exaggerated it.

Lance, I have met you and you are no where near like Randy!!!! you are kind and considerate, you are honest but I dont think you would say something hateful to someone.

Dfennessey
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07-25-2004

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 11:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfennessey a private message Print Post    
I agree with you Pammy, they do a lot of editing and there is a lot we do not see. Randy could have really done something terrible to these people and they did not show us

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 11:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I was hoping Bob had bigger hopes for the fii. I guess it was the only way he felt he could use it to his advantage. I thought maybe he could have used it as leverage in a different way. Hard to say though, there is so much we don't see.

I was surprised that Bob told Sugar that he didn't find it and that he made the fii. I really wish he hadn't and had figured out some other way to use it.

Julieboo said "AND WHY is everyone letting Sugar keep the idol??? Hello, so everyone wants her to make it to F2?? I just don't get that at all..." I KNOW!!!! Actually, I think it is because of the numbers, but, she has been shown to flip and be unpredictable, she is dangerous with that hii.

I was surprised that Bob voted for Susie.

From a viewer point of view, I thought last night's tribal council was very funny and good tv entertainment! The funniest to me was Crystal yelling her comments while voting. All the different smirks and giggles were funny too.

Well...I liked Randy somewhat...as far as I liked watching him play this game. I don't feel too badly for him though. He was not very nice to a lot of the players. They then outplayed him. It isn't a big deal to me that he got voted out the way he did. It isn't real life, it is a game for $1 million. Some of his not being so nice was strategy too. The more he went on (and I didn't think he was really all that bad), the more I thought they would vote to keep him til the end.

I don't think a lot of them are playing a very smart game. It has been entertaining for us at times watching them play with their emotions, but it really isn't such a good way to play Survivor. Susie and Kenny are pretty much keeping their cool, Bob too. (Of course, I'm sure if I was on Survivor, I'd play with my emotions too! It's got to be really hard to separate. People are such emotional creatures.)

I really like Bob, but they all don't like him too well...even his original tribe. I wonder why.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 12:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I don't think the whole group did that to Randy, just Sugar and Bob. It's just a game and if you are going to act rotten in a game then for sure someone will be rotten right back at ya!
I don't think I could do what Sugar asked Bob to do but I'm not going to say Sugar is the bad guy here. Sometimes, you get what you give and sometimes people get away with treating others badly, this time Randy got the boot.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 12:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I just read Jeff's blog, he said everyone likes Bob. So, if he's talking about the survivors, and I think he is, I am glad to hear that (in a way, in a way not because if you are too likeable sometimes no one takes you to the final 2 or 3). Things I've seen on the shows have made me think the other survivors didn't much like Bob.

Speaking of Jeff's blog, if you don't read it, you may want to. It is very funny! Every week, I get a big kick out of reading it! It has really added to the season for me!

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 12:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Did Bob or Crystal bid on anything at the auction? I thought it was strange that we didnt see them bid at all, maybe they did, editing and all.

Trini
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07-06-2004

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 12:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trini a private message Print Post    
..i think Jessica will give the II to Bob when his time comes to be voted out..i am enjoying Jessica's game .
Ken & Crystal have an alliance and i hope final 3 will be K, C, J. yet i wondered if Jessica & Ken have an alliance?

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
at JP's blog someone asked

"What happened to Ken saying "I am the glue holding us together' ?? It was part of the preview from last episode...or did I miss it??"

I had totally forgotten about that, so yeah, what gives?

Dfennessey
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07-25-2004

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 12:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfennessey a private message Print Post    
Pamy I think Bob did not have a chance to bid on anything. Kenny sent him to Exile and took all his money.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 1:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Who is Jessica?


Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 1:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
sugar

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Having just watched the Randy at Ponderosa clips.... Marcus and Charlie claim that Randy was their best buddy out there and they were laughing just as hard as Sugar and Chrystal. It was funny. It had nothing to do with who it happened to, it was a very funny blindside.

I adored Amy and it was funny when her best friend was voted out because she was convinced she was running the game. When people are fooled on a show like this, it is funny!

Llkoolaid
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08-01-2001

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 1:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Llkoolaid a private message Print Post    
I don't care about the players laughing at Randy, I was LMAO at the guy. Sugar moved way way up on my all time favorite players list. I loved how the camera showed the smiles wiped off Randy and Corrine's face, loved it, they have been so nasty in their confessionals about the other players, I loved it, I wish we could have a rerun for Corrine next week.

Mizinvanccouver
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02-22-2003

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 2:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mizinvanccouver a private message Print Post    
Loved, loved, loved this episode!!! What a great blindside! Randy was totally outplayed!! I was just as giggly as the players were and I'm not a spiteful or vengeful type of person.

I didn't mind knowing the whole episode who was going to leave as a matter a fact that is why I enjoyed it so much. :-)

Spear
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08-06-2001

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 2:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
AND WHY is everyone letting Sugar keep the idol??? Hello, so everyone wants her to make it to F2??

Well you can't use the Idol to get to F2 but yes, almost everyone *does* want her for F3:

alliance 1: Kenny, Crystal
alliance 2: Matty, Susie
alliance 3: Bob

Even Corinne tried to pull her in.

There's an interesting clip on the CBS site where Sugar talks about her first two alliances. She thinks she's better off sticking with Kenny and Crystal and is perfectly happy finishing second to Kenny. (This will probably change when she realizes how tight Kenny and Matty are.)

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
I don't see "gang" as being a bigoted or racist term. There are gangs made up of every ethnic group that exists.

And in this case, he was accurate in the use of the word as a description. They acted pretty much like a gang (of any ethnic group) would and ripped apart the tribe as a team.

No one has explained how big foot is a bigoted name. I'm still waiting for that since Randy was accused of being a bigot for calling Crystal Bigfoot.

I'l still hold that in a game it's bad form to humiliate people when they get voted off. I can pick the 3 Survivors I've disliked the most and would never think it was ok to try to humiliate them like that when getting voted off.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 3:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I agree with Lance. I do not think gang or bigfoot are bigoted remarks at all. I hate that so often, terms are misconstrued to make someone look like they are being racist when that is not the case.

Randy was going to be voted off anyways. It was so so so unnecessary to humiliate him.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 3:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
That may be true, of course there are gangs of various ethnicities, but if you single out the only two black survivors and label them as a gang, the racial implication is there, IMO.

Well I'd guess that beacuse Sasquatch/BigFoot is seen as hairy and ape-like.. that is where the slur comes in?

I think Randy had legitimate complaints about Crystal from day one as far as her attitude and her lack of performance and had he stuck to those criticisms it might have been preferable to throwing around slurs based on her size and others that could be interpreted as racist.. once you do that, anything else you are saying simply isn't heard.

Randy was disagreeable from the start and then when he managed to change tribes, really by the luck of the draw, he lorded it over the less fortunate. The taunting when his new tribe won food, directed at Crystal especially, just set the tone for what has come down since then.

I agree that Randy MAY not have meant what he said to be racist (or he may have, we really don't know) but he's old enough to hopefully have learned that what he said could easily be interpreted in that way.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 3:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
I posted immediately after the TC last night, stating it was very mean spirited. In fact, it really left me feeling quite disgusted to witness the glee in such humiliation. It seemed cruel to me, and I was NO fan of Randy. I don't think I've ever disliked a cast as much as those remaining. They're over the top smarmy. And Sugar is NO sweetie! <57> She's sure to get hers though ;)

Chy
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07-19-2003

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 3:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
I don't think Randy was humiliated by intention. It wasn't just Sugar's plan either, Randy wanted it that way, too. He even thought it was going to be great to blind-side Suzie!

Well, he was BS instead. If they really wanted to humiliate him, they could have laughed and rolled around in front of him. They were practically in pain trying to stifle giggles.

Randy himself was even honored -- I can't remember his exact words -- to be voted out in this fashion. He wasn't shy to wish them everything bad including bitten by the Green Mommba, though!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 4:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
PAMY:

The only challenge Crystal did any good in was the one where an opposite tribe member hung on to a pole and two from the other team tried to pull the opposite off. As a puller, she was pretty good, IIRC.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 4:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
No one said that calling her bigfoot was bigoted. If you are referring to me I said:

quote:

Randy made very bigoted statements. You can call them honest if you like. And you can call the people that don't appreciate them insecure or not being able to handle the truth if you like. But calling someone Sasquatch and Bigfoot is not helpful, not truthful and was said behind her back. I don't care about Crystal, but I was offended by his remarks and I wasn't there. So I don't appreciate him and I appreciated his exit.




I was replying to the false statement that he was honest and helpful and

quote:

Those posts are made by people who can't handle the truth, because the truth doesn't put them in a good light.




So I said that calling her sasquatch and bigfoot was not true, nor was it helpful, and it was said in confessionals not in front of her face.

And Randy himself acknowledged that his 'gang' speech was offensive and inappropriate and he said that he's apologized for it.

link

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, November 21, 2008 - 4:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I haven't watched the episode yet (except for the bit where Crystal goes off as she tells why she's voting Randy) but...

For much of this season, the TC's have been hateful and spiteful. People have been downright mean and unfriendly and rude, laughing when people get voted out, and so on. I noticed it several weeks ago, and it's part of the reason why I wait a week and watch 2 hours in a row.

I think most of the people this season were just flat out mean people.

And I so cannot WAIT to see Kenny brought down.