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Spear
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08-06-2001

Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 11:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
It was Sugar's vote that was censored, not Crystal's.
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Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 4:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
I'm still on the fence about whether or not Sugar made the right decision last night. Ace was her biggest ally in the game, but with the merge at 10 next week, maybe it wasn't that bad of a move to get rid of a strong player.


Panda
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07-15-2005

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 5:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
I always enjoy when someone is blindsided....I can see why Sugar wanted to vote Ace out-maybe because she was afraid she would give in to his sly ways and eventually really let him keep the HII? Anyway-I'll support it!!!

I don't like the Kota women. I like Matty and some of the other guys.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 5:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
What do you think she wrote that got blurred? I was thinking Ace-hole, but I don't think Sugar would be that mean...

Naja
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06-28-2003

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 5:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Sugar definitely wrote "Ace-hole". You can see her write it out clearly on the video at CBS. It surprises me she would do that, also.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 5:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Sugar was smart. I believe she trusted him at first but when she fond out that Ace mentioned he had her idol and with her being away so much she realized he may not really be on her side. I like Ken, the kid.

I haven't been watching closely this season so I hope I haven't missed any silliness that Ken has done. I like to root for non silly survivors.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
this is first season that they didnt devot much time to the family letter/visit. They usually show them reading more or talking about them.

I dont know if its editing or what but Crystal is so negative. I thought she would kick butt in challenges. I think I have seen her smile twice.

Sugar was useless at the challenge but she was still smiling and having fun. I just think she has a great spirit. I agreed that their team sucks cuz they let petty crap linger.

Dont know if Sugar made a good move with Ace, from her vote I guess she didnt like him like it appeared. I wish we could watch more than 1 hour a week of what goes on

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 7:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Did Randy get any letters?

The only time i see Crystal smile is when she survives and somebody else gets voted out.

Did Sugar really do that badly or did she do that badly on purpose? Given that Marcus gave her immunity last night does she have something going on with him? Or did Marcus just give her immunity because he assumed she already had it?

Egbok
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07-13-2000

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 7:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Egbok a private message Print Post    
You've got to keep in mind, it's all about CBS editing. Viewers don't get the full dynamics of these tribes. I trust that Sugar made the best choice for herself.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 8:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I'm guessing that when she decided to not give Ace the II for tribal council, he went off on her, and that's why she wrote what she did on her vote.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Kota definitely knows that Sugar has the HII. There's no reason they'd continue to send her there otherwise.

For the most part, I think Sugar made a good move. They had to know the merge was coming up and it's always good to get rid of a strong player right before the merge. While Mattie and Crystal really haven't been all that strong, Ace's cockiness was showing and he had to go. Sugar is pretty charismatic and I think she'll go further without Ace dragging her down.

Randy did get at least one letter (you could see him holding the woven packet with some pages) but they never showed him reading the letter(s).

And I agree with Kar. I suspect Ace totally went off on her for not giving him the HII. After all, she already HAD immunity for that TC and why wouldn't she share her HII with him? I think it was a very smart move on her part, not to be intimidated by Ace. I wouldn't trust Kenny or Crystal, but it was a good play. And probably the only chance they'd have a blindsiding him and getting a strong player out. (At this point, I think Crystal is NOT a strong player. Big, yes. Strong, nope.)

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 9:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
For all Ace's perceived strength, he hasn't won them any challenges, last week lost them the challenge by hogging that last part of the task, and this week caused two of the three ball drops. Not that I guess that had much to do with Sugar voting him out, but I don't think it lost the team anything. I'd like Sugar to team up with Kenny. Kenny's my favourite.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 9:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Sugar is my favorite as well as Kenny.

I think Suzie made a huge mistake but I am glad Dan went bye-bye.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 9:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Kota definitely knows that Sugar has the HII. There's no reason they'd continue to send her there otherwise.

They weren't sure that Sugar had it -- before the vote, they were still worried about Dan using the Idol. Also, if you watch the voting clip on the CBS website, it seems clear that the main Kota alliance split their votes between Dan and Susie in case Dan had the Idol.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 10:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I figured he gave her the II as an 'I'm sorry' for always sending you to exile plus she was in the final 3 of the challenge

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 10:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I thought both for the "I'm sorry we always send you to Exile Island" and for the "I'm pretty sure you already have the HII but here's extra assurance just in case", as well as "good job, girl!" :-)

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 1:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
<93> he was always loyal to Sugar and talked many of people out of wanting to vote her out for being perceived as a weak player.
Without Ace around i suspect Sugar will either be voted out or have her idol flushed out in 2 to 4 tribal councils.

As far as Crystal she has been a major letdown as a competitor and seems to be quite the sourpuss.


Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 2:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Ace talked people out of voting her off for his own reasons, because he needed an ally. He was loyal to her only as it served his own interests. Plain and simple. Sugar's HII would've been flushed out ASAP after the merge anyways.

Thesnark
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09-27-2008

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 2:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Thesnark a private message Print Post    
Yeah, ace is a bad player for wanting allies. 17 seasons of alliances, the nerve of him. He easily could of jumped on the bandwagon and booted her and joined up with the onion alliance.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 2:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Nice.

Ace kept Sugar because she had the HII. He said that HE had it because she did. Several times. If Sugar did not have it, he may not have been so loyal. They were also two of the original Kota players, so he wanted and needed to keep her close. He would've tossed her under the bus the first chance he had.

Thesnark
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09-27-2008

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 3:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Thesnark a private message Print Post    
Ace and sugar were tight from the very first day. Everytime ace/sugars tribe had to go to tribal he could of turned on her and he didn't, period!
Her tribemates always wanted to vote her out due to her poor performances at challenges and pre merge the weak at challenges are always vulnerable to go. If it wasn't for ace she would have been gone already.

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 3:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
Ahem sister

there was nothing strategic about sugars decision it seemed wishy washy at best.

her best hope is that she gets the idol flushed out at tribal council but uses it a the right time to protect herself, then she can be a floater.

Thesnark
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09-27-2008

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 3:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Thesnark a private message Print Post    
From an ace interview

Sugar would have been great to be in f2 with

Why would I blindside her? I could have done it the last 3 times if I wanted too

I would of respected her decision to vote me out if it was strategic but it was willy nilly to vote out the person who has been obviously protecting you.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 3:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
In the blog I read Dalton said Ken lied about what Ace said. How do we know this? Did Ken say he lied? I am just thinking they didn't show us the convo. Did I miss something. JP also mentions Sugar cried again, when did she cry?

I swear I watched this last night! LOL

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 4:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I didn't see Sugar cry either, but we did see Ken tell Sugar that Ace wanted her out, when really it was Matty (from what we were shown). That might be the lie Dalton spoke about.