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Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 4:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Kookie - I think Sugar didn't LIKE Corinne!

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 4:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Ya think! Even if you don't like someone, that was just rude. It's clear she's getting a good edit from the show.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 6:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Corinne's ruder, or just as rude, so.. oh well. At least so far I haven't heard Sugar talk about being so superior in real life.

These people seem totally polarized this season, but it looked like Sugar was almost immediately targetted and sent over and over to exile, so I can imagine she did realize she wasn't liked.

Even Bob, where did he get off shouting at Sugar and Crystal when it was HIM who made the fake idol and foisted it off on Randy? Double standard, there.

Mak1
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08-12-2002

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 7:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mak1 a private message Print Post    
Bob told Sugar (wildly paraphrased here, from memory) that he didn't mind tricking Randy with the fake idol for gameplay. What he objected to was the humiliation factor, with Sugar and Crystal laughing so much, rubbing it in. Not saying I agree, just that's the way I understood his rationale.

ITA about the polarization of the group this year.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 7:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I dont get Bob's vote, didnt he know Matty wouldnt get the boot, what am I forgetting?

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 7:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Bob tried to get Matty and his alliance to join up with him and Corinne, and Matty chose to not do that. That's what he meant by "I tried ... you chose not to come with us." He would rather have sided with Matty than have to try to pull some stunt with Kenny and Crystal. Of course, after that vote, we all know that the stunt backfired anyway .... bye, bye Corinne.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Mak, and as Dalton pointed out in his blog, what was not humiliating about being tricked and lied to about the idol by his own ally, Bob? So he can rationalize all he wants, I guess. In theory he's also older so should know better (except of course it is all part of the game and Bob's playing just as hard as everyone else).

And while Sugar burned bridges by laughing, I'd guess Bob burned potential bridges (votes) by going off on Sugar and Crystal.

Of course, Bob was only a good buddy ally to Corinne after she ran out of her real allies. I noticed on the recrap show how Bob wasn't really part of their alliance in the beginning.

I still like Bob, in comparison to the entire jury and Crystal. And he's more interesting than Susie.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 8:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
I felt the same way about Bob-he was only brought in their group in the beginning as a "number" for them.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 8:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
aahh thx Ginger!

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 5:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Thursday morning and so far I have this:

Survivor Fever still has their boot list with all 3 of the girls safe, Matty and Kenny are vulnerable, and Bob is very vulnerable.

Survivor Blows has their SOTS (State of the Spoiling) up by Miss Scarlett, and she says that Crystal gets the boot (a bounce because Sugar gives the Hidden II to Matty).

Also, at Survivor Blows, the posters have started voting based on pics and what they have read, and with 22 votes in, the results at this time are:
Crystal 10
Kenny 8
Matty 3
Bob 1

Once again, none of this is actual spoiling, just speculation from analyzing the clues, looking at pics, comparing past episodes, and analytical work on who gets the most air time (confessionals and such)..........stuff like that.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 6:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
ha ha - Susie not mentioned once again!

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 6:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
no one can say that Sugar rode any coattails or flew under the radar. I love that she is playing the game!! I am looking forward to tonight's episode!!

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 7:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
LOL, Susie is gonna end up winning this thing ...

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 9:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
If that was Bob's rationale, I can see where he was coming from.

It is one thing to humiliate someone in the context of the game. You do what you have to do to stay in the game and if someone is humilated, that is too bad. Anytime you blindside someone, especially someone like Randy there is going to be humiliation.

It is another thing to rub it in. that is unnecessary in the context of the game. You don't glory in it or gloat about it. That is unnecessary and can come back to bite you. It would be like beating another football team by 50 points and then going and shaking hads with the players and wishing them well or getting in their faces and taunting them because you beat them. Beware of that team the next time you play.

Didn't Randy say there was a lot more than was shown on the show. That Sugar literally rolled around on the ground, laughing and pointing at Randy? Maybe there was a lot more to the behavior that Bob took issue with than we saw.

The gloating and celebrations should be left to us on the messageboards. That is our jobs.

Bob IS an adult and I have not seen him take anything in the game personally. I admit I might have missed something. But he is one of the few players I have seen over the years who seem to realize that it IS just a game and that while you do what you have to do to win, you do not let personal feelings, good or bad, affect what you do.

Blowing up at Crystal and Sugar is really the first time he has ever showed his annoyance at behavior he must find childish and irritating.

Have I missed something else he has done?

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 10:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Another thing about Bob........he lets it roll off his back, or blow over quickly. He was ticked off about the overkill on the humiliation, got it off his chest. Then Sugar had a confessional where she told us she told Bob she was sorry, but she wasn't sorry at all. Then, shortly after that, I saw Bob with his hand on Sugar's back, comforting her during something emotional that was going on.....like a big brother/father gesture. He really is a likable fellow, very talented, surprisingly competitive....and a big threat. He is going to have to win more and more IN's to stay in til the end, if that's what is going to happen.

Tvclubber
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06-22-2008

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 11:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tvclubber a private message Print Post    
Susie reminds me of Sandra from the Pirate season. The more I see her, the more I like her. Not that we see that much of her compared to the other players.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I am definitely on the Bob bandwagon. I think he is an excellent player, both mentally and physically. Clever without being mean. I like that.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 2:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
Bob lost me when he chastised Sugar for laughing at Randy. First of all, it was BOB who tricked Randy. Second of all, it was Randy that laughed and made a big fuss when his team won reward and the other team didn't. Randy earned any humiliation he might have felt and Sugar earned the right to laugh about it. Bob should have either not gone along with tricking Randy, or kept his mouth shut about others behaving in a gleeful way about it.

PS the only one who has mentioned Sugar rolling around on the ground laughing is Randy. I wouldn't believe him about anything. She may have laughed the loudest and the longest, but even Marcus and Charlie were laughing.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

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Acme's up....

Reward: Bob wins the reward trip, and takes the opportunity to forge an alliance with Ken & Crystal.

Exile: Susie gets to luxuriate at the Sugar Shack.

Immunity: Bob the Challenge Machine strikes again!

Boot: Crystal gets backdoored when Sugar lets Matty play her HII.

The HII use makes sense- isn't this ep the last time it can be used anyway? I would assume Matty and Sugar vote for Crystal, and everyone else votes for Matty...

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 2:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Wilson .... look at my 12/10 2:07 post.....it's the rules for the HII. The last time is F5. Tonight is F6.


Update on the voters over at Survivor Blows:
Crystal - 16
Kenny - 10
Matty - 4

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 4:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Crystal won't be very happy if it is her.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 4:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
If Sugar rolled on the ground, don't y'all think we'd have seen that? I don't think they would have refrained from showing that!

Sugar laughed, but Bob lied to Randy and Bob was supposedly Randy's ally, too.

It is a bit odd if Sugar uses the idol on Matty if she could have used it next time, but maybe she is told something different or maybe.. well who knows? Maybe she heard that someone wanted to flush it out and she decided to be proactive, wear it to tribal council which would keep people from voting for her.. then she pulled a switch on them.

But if Bob has immunity for sure, then it does behoove them to break up Kenny and Crystal.

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 5:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
But, why vote for Crystal over Kenny if he is around? Kenny is playing the game harder than Crystal who has proven that she cannot win immunity and half the jury does not like her. In the past, there was a clear sense as to who the players wanted to take with them to the finals. I still don't get that on this season. Every week confuses me.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 5:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I agree.. I'd have thought Kenny would be targetted over Crystal.. I know he catches fish but I'm sure Bob does as well, or Matty.

deal

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 5:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
Crystal ("Corrine"): You only started talking to me within the last 48 hours. My alliance is thicker than you could ever think. Sorry, it was great knowing you, but you gotta go.

I wonder who the "thicker than you could ever think" is.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 5:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
everything sea said.

sorry, one arm here, no caps.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 6:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Well now I get why Crystal instead of Kenny.. Sugar doubted Crystal all along more than Kenny and Bob had promised his idol to Kenny but after finding out that Kenny planned to blindside him if he gave Kenny the idol, he was still able to use the "I don't think Kenny is going home" line and keep his idol, staying safe, while blindsiding Crystal. Cool. And Sugar giving Matty the idol just sealed and cemented the deal, no matter which way Susie went (or if Bob didn't choose to go with Sugar and target Crystal instead of Matty.

Corinne seemed to be loving it! Hope she eventually understands that Sugar was the mastermind tonight, not Bob.

Kenny came off so petulant tonight!! Trying to guilt trip Bob and then get Bob voted out.

I also noted that Matty was complaining about the reward and Sugar was really even tempered and just pointed out that they had gone on reward and Crystal hadn't (not sure about Kenny).

Susie lucked out knowing that she didn't need to look for any idols so she could just relax and enjoy the shack and the fruit and the hammock.

Chy, hope your arm is ok and you just were holding a cat or something.. did you hurt one arm??

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 6:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Ouch.. just read that you cracked your wrist! Sounds painful. Hope it heals well and quickly, Chy.

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 7:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texasdeb a private message Print Post    
duh - Suzie will float into F3 & get no votes