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Eeyoreslament
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Friday, November 14, 2008 - 2:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
If they don't get rid of him soon, Randy will be KEPT, because he's great to go up against in the F2.

Landileigh
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Friday, November 14, 2008 - 2:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landileigh a private message Print Post    
the reason susie and sugar have done well with the fire challenge is easy. susie has been doing all the wood gathering for her tribe, and sugar has been on exile island having to make her own fire.

what i love is the fact that the kota tribe had gotten so smug thinking they had it all sewn up and in the bag because they had been winning all the challenges, but the fang tribe has been voting them out! love it!


Eeyoreslament
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Friday, November 14, 2008 - 5:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I think it's an important lesson for future survivors: Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer. Kota was awful to Suzie, and she knew she was on the outer circle. Of course it was easy for her to flip. And Marcus's bullshit lie about Susie being F3 was just too much of a stretch, and it gave him away. It has been clear from the start that Marcus, Charlie, and Corrinne are an alliance, so for Marcus to claim he'd get Suzie to F3 should have been a big "tell" for Suzie, and it was Marcus's fatal mistake. He would have been more believable if he had said "Look, I am willing to get you to F4, but I am clearly with C&C so once we're at 4, we will have to discuss things a bit more, but I am open to discussion if we get that far together."

Kookliebird
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Friday, November 14, 2008 - 6:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
I just hope that Kenny doesn't get too full of himself. That's a perfect reason for the others to get rid of him.

Kitt
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Friday, November 14, 2008 - 6:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Yeah, Kenny's teetering on the brink of getting too big for his boots. He's been cleverly undercover so far, performing ok in challenges but not strong enough to stand out, and being behind some big decisions but having Crystal make the enemies. If he get's too excited about how well it's going then people will realise he's a threat.

Eeyoreslament
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Friday, November 14, 2008 - 7:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I think the quote we saw of Kenny in the preview about holding them together, is that the Kota people start telling Matty that Kenny and Crystal are gunning for him, or something like that, trying to cause rifts in the Fang people. I think Kenny is probably the one who sees it as a numbers game right now, and that they NEED to stick together for now, and worry about eating their own later. I think the quote "I'm the only one holding us together right now" is to do with Crystal doubting Matty and vice versa.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Friday, November 14, 2008 - 7:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Eeyore, that's a great observation.
I kinda think Corinne is singing her one note about Kenny and Crystal not being "deserving" though.

I don't think Matt will go to Corinne & Randy's side. He could just sit back and let his mates help pick them three off and be the strongest and smartest amongst the misfits. Why will he rock the boat?

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, November 14, 2008 - 8:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
it was sweet justice to have Sugar vote against Corrine's crew since Corrine so smugly stated how stupid she thought Sugar was!! LOL

I think JP referred to Crystal as being the biggest B this season but we still have 8 wks, Corrine could turn out to be even worse.

I just cant like Crystal. She just comes off so nasty and mean. She is also a poor winner, I really dislike a poor winner.

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Friday, November 14, 2008 - 8:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
Pamy, I agree about the poor winner issue. If a person is a poor winner, they are usually a VERY poor loser. To me both show a lack of respect for others.

Eeyoreslament
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Friday, November 14, 2008 - 9:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I am enjoying this season right now.

Biscottiii
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Friday, November 14, 2008 - 9:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Loving this season myself! Don't know if anyone might have posted these already, but here they are to make sure:

Exclusive: Charlie Herschel talks about his time on 'Survivor: Gabon' from RealityTV World:
http://tinyurl.com/6krehv

Survivor: Gabon - Charlie in Ponderosa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJBW5x0tCMc

Survivor: Gabon - What Its All About
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eM0uLuUr3M
"Charlie and Marcus are getting along quite well in Ponderosa"

Pamy
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Friday, November 14, 2008 - 10:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I would love to see Charlie and Marcus on BB, or their own sitcom!! LOL I was LOL watching them pick out clothes and looking into mirror to see how they would sit on camera! LOL

Seamonkey
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Friday, November 14, 2008 - 11:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I read an interview earlier today where Marcus (I think) said he'd like to go on Amazing Race with Charlie...

Lorie
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08-29-2003

Saturday, November 15, 2008 - 6:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lorie a private message Print Post    
I'd love to see them as a team on AR. Hoping the powers that be keep them in mind when the time is right.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 12:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
OK, last week I had Randy as one of my likes. Sheech! He fell off the table this week with his obnoxious remarks.

I still like Kenny and think he is playing a great game. He has saved himself and Crystal twice now by getting someone to vote out the other side, but I have to wonder if he made a mistake in getting them to vote out Charlie. I think he would have done better to take down Randy or Corrine. He let it get personal. Big mistake on Survivor.

As for Sugar, I think she saw that she was not going to break into Corrine, Randy, Bob, and Charlie's group. They were tight. She probably thought she had a better chance with the other side because they are not so tight.

Several of them have gotten really cocky lately. Randy thinking the girls were useless at making fire, Randy and Kenny thinking they are "king of the Walk" so to speak, and Corrine thinking she has Sugar pegged. She bragged about how badly she had treated Sugar and that in 10 minutes she had her thinking they were best friends or something to that effect. I loved it the look on her face when her plan backfired.

I thought the interviewer was a little unfair to Sugar as far as the crying goes. Some people just cry easily. I am one of those that have a hard time not crying if I see someone else crying, and I also can feel when I am on the verge of tears. Most people are just not so open about it.

Chy
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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Actually, it is a pretty good choice to vote off Charlie. From where Kenny stands, Charlie is not as Bob, probably in better physical shape than Randy and not a girl like Corinne.

Kenny may have figured that, along with his alliance Matt, Suzie, Crystal and Sugar, they could keep the II from Randy, Bob or Corinne better than Charlie.

We know how that could switch, just revisit the Suzie Immunity win this epi! But out there in the wild, that was probably Kenny's best best hand at the moment: rid that potential threat and avenge for himself all in one TC!

Panda
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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
Chy I agree with your post! Voting out Charlie made a huge impact by breaking another piece of that alliance!

Allietex
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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 - 12:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
You may be right, Chy, and it might have been that Charlie was the only one he felt he could get Sugar to turn on.

Ophiliasgrandma
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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 - 3:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
I see them holding onto Randy as an unlikeable chap to go to the final 2 with.

Teachmichigan
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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 - 5:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
I think Charlie was a smart move because he's much more likable than either Corrine or Randy, so others are more likely to listen to him and join up to vote off Kenny and his gang.

Chy
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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 - 5:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Nonono! We won't want that, O'sgranm!

Panda, I feel bad for Kenny. Other than Bob, I really am not so much a fan of anyone this season. But a few other sites I read w/o posting are calling his move foolish, stupid, w/o plan or full of vengeance. To me, Kenny must have thought it through. I know he always say it as if he didn't think much of what name to throw out there for all to boot. This TC it would have been so easy to get rid of Randy(Sugar would have loved that, Allietex!) but he thought about Charlie as the bigger threat. Kenny said he "lied" about Chuck being the brains on the other side. I call that "suspicions" rather than a lie. Kenny did not live on the same camp and strategies with them. He thought about it; He suspected it. What's wrong with that? Even if he did tell the others to vote Chuck off for that reason, Isn't that part of the game that's Survivor? Doesn't any one else on his team use their own brain?

If I'm giving Kenny too much credit and he really did not think about whom to target this or any other times, then, his subconscious thought about it! And Kenny is lucky he knows to let the smarter part of him play the game! :-)

Whoami
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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 - 8:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
Don't know if this was posted elsewhere. But the last episode had a dedication at the end to Marge Boesch.

Being one with a feeble memory, I looked her up. She was Rudy's (Season 1) wife.

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Wednesday, November 19, 2008 - 8:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
I agree with Chy, with a couple minor exceptions that still back up her points.

- Kenny's move against Charlie was a classic Chess move & very strategic. You take out the opponent's Major Pieces, instead of focusing on the Pawns.

- If Marcus was the 'brains' of that alliance, Charlie was clearly the 2nd in Command, their original team was Marcus & Charlie and they added from there. Remember, Kenny has Susie feeding him all the juicy details from life back at camp.

- Charlie came from a well fed and well organized team, which Kenny saw for himself when Crystal & Kenny last changed camps and saw the amount of food/rations/backup supplies (shocked as they realized their own team had been starving).

If you watch the Youtube from Ponderosa (Thanks CBS!)
Survivor: Gabon - What Its All About
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eM0uLuUr3M
Charlie and Marcus are getting along quite well in Ponderosa

Early in the tube, Marcus & Charlie were running on the beach. Both were surprised that Charlie kept running and quacking (less than 24hrs after Charlie was out of the game) - Charlie left Marcus winded and gasping for breath. So Charlie was a pretty physical force to compete with. Plus a very likable person.

Kenny may have done avenging as he commented over the II clue Charlie blabbed about to all; the II which took a dive into the ocean. But, CBS editing isn't going to supply ALL of Kenny's confessional, just clips that are part of the storyline being presented.

I like Kenny myself, wouldn't mind seeing him win. Just hoping he doesn't get too eager & flaunting his skills, to find his torch snuffed. Also hoping BIGTIME that homophobic comments he allegedly made according to Charlie's interview weren't true & just paranoid backbiting that comes as part of the game. Those people started out as strangers, not BFFs, and they're going to whisper whatever would best 'press buttons' to whomever they are whispering. So, I'm holding my thoughts on the alleged homophobic comments until we hear from all sides once the game is concluded.

Biscottiii
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Wednesday, November 19, 2008 - 8:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Thanks Whoami, someone did post it. Sad, they had a long marriage, but so nice that CBS dedicated that episode to her! Rudy was one of my alltime favorites.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Thursday, November 20, 2008 - 5:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Biscotti, that is a good post. When I was talking to a friend this week about booting Charlie, she just didn't get it. I had to explain the whole thing about Ken being a professional gamer and being very strategic in his moves. Ken knew exactly what he was doing in getting rid of Charlie.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, November 23, 2008 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I don't think Ken will win because I think his engineering of Charlie's eviction, while probably a smart move, was founded in emotion (he took something away from me, so neener neener neener I'll take something away from you). And because of that, I think his emotions (and ego) will be his downfall. I'm not a fan of Kenny, btw.

I loved Bob's fake idol. Dang he did a good job on it!