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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 6:35 pm
The theme of the last few shows have been good vrs. evil. Even the Apple show featured the theme. Sugar thinks she, Mattie, Bob and Susie are good. Text for the $100k favorite during the reunion show.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 6:42 pm
where's the car? reunion also? jp said car give away is back this season. i still count 5 votes only read by jp. editing booboo?
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 6:45 pm
Basically, Sugar was honest and told Matty that if he didn't win immunity and Bob did, he was likely gone. And she still trusted Kenny and Crystal, but when Kenny and Crystal returned from their reward and started piling on Matty and berating him when he was already down, Sugar felt more in line with Matty. THEN when she heard of the plot for Kenny to get Bob's immunity necklace by guilting Bob and THEN to flip on Bob and vote him out, Sugar moved over to protect Bob AND Matty because she didn't like the way Crystal had always acted and the way Kenny was acting now. So she masterminded telling Bob about the plot against him and bringing him into the plot to vote out Crystal. We never saw Susie's vote and Jeff didn't read the last vote because Matty having Sugar's idol and playing that meant that three votes for Crystal were enough for the boot. Sugar giving Matty the idol ensured that if Matty, Sugar and Bob voted as planned it didn't matter which way Susie decided to go. Bob knowing that the votes were not going to Kenny meant he could, in good conscience, keep his immunity and keep himself safe and Sugar used her idol to keep Matty safe.. Good plan!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 6:46 pm
Chy.. the last vote didn't matter.. Crystal had three votes and Matty's votes were null and void so no matter who the last vote went to, Crystal was gone.
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Mak1
Member
08-12-2002
| Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 7:01 pm
At the end, we saw that Suzie did vote for Crystal, with a sad look on her face.
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Texasdeb
Member
05-23-2003
| Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 7:13 pm
Wow! I love this season. Matty really wants Bob out & Bob knows Matty is prob. his biggest threat. Then.......here comes Sugar with the master plan to have both guys having her back to take her to the finals. How much better can it get? Sugar is going to F3. Matty wants Kenny out & Bob out. Bob wants Matty out. Now Bob knows that Sugar has something with Matty because she saved him with the II. Susie will make F3 because everyone will think her under the radar play is not worthy. Kenny will only reach F3 if he wins the next II. Bob/Matty will take out which ever one of them depending on where they stand after the next I-challenge. (IMO, we will not see both Bob & Matty in F3 & I hope we see Bob).
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Nerovh
Member
06-11-2005
| Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 7:52 pm
Good show tonight. I don't like the way Crystal and Kenny acted toward Matty tonight either. I'm glad they got a nasty surprise at TC.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 8:09 pm
Ah, thanks, Mak! I didn't get to concentrate on those votes so didn't know if they showed Susie's.. so Matty would have been ok without the idol, but Sugar handing it to him was BIG! And of course we did learn that it WAS the last time it could be used so Sugar wasn't just frivolously putting herself in jeopardy.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 9:02 pm
Sugar to Matty: "Let me do the thinking." Kinda says it all. And oh how joyous it is to say that to a man! Especially one as cute as Matty. And how sad that Bob didn't give the immunity idol to Mr Kenny. I guess we found out all we needed to know about him.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 10:17 pm
One thing I do have to say....Crystal had much more class in her "going away" speech, then Corrine and Randy put together!
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 10:21 pm
I agree. I was LMAO at Crystal going off course, she has to be the worst challenge player of all time! Even when she was right on the basket she missed! LOL I love Sugah but she sealed her fate to never win in the end, Crystal will never vote for her now. There have been so many twists and turns this season and I love it!
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 11:41 pm
Excellent use of the idol! I just hate it when they go to waste. The only thing that would have made it better would've been if Bob had given the necklace to Kenny, and Sugar had given her idol to Bob. Then Kenny and Crystal would've voted for Bob and he would've seen it for himself, rather than having to take Sugar's word for it. Too bad they didn't vote Kenny out while they had the chance. All that talk about what a threat Matty is, but Bob and Kenny are just as good at the challenges if not more so. I do hope Sugar somehow makes it to the end. She's the one that has really been running the game. Kenny just thought he did. Sugar needs to stop making faces during TC, though. She gives herself away.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, December 12, 2008 - 12:43 am
I want Sugar to go to the end, too. Even if she has no chance of winning, due to hate from some jury members, I'd like to see her win as much as possible and third is better than jury. I'm love to see her win the car but those are usually pretty intense and would be geared to one of the guys probably. Most of the challenges have been active this time. Even the one that had the questions, in which Sugar blew them all away, was then equalized by having to hurl the balls at that target.. which Bob won but frankly that seemed more like luck since some rolled after good throws.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, December 12, 2008 - 6:13 am
but frankly that seemed more like luck since some rolled after good throws. Sea, It's all about backspin
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, December 12, 2008 - 6:29 am
I want Sugar to win fav player! I dont think there has been a season where all 3 of the final girls suck at challenges. Crystal has to have broken some record for worst challenge player ever. She left with class. I read an interview that said she was way different outside the game, maybe we saw a glimpse of the real Crystal when she exited last nite. I expect her to have a great laugh when JP brings up her challenge skills. Soooo, do 2 go in the first hour on sunday? or is it a final 4? I think any of them left will win against Sugar and possibly Kenny
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Mak1
Member
08-12-2002
| Friday, December 12, 2008 - 7:59 am
I think there was more discussion about Bob's IN than we were shown, because what he said at TC was not the discussion we heard. We heard him tell Kenny that if Kenny told Bob he (Kenny) needed the IN, then Bob would give it to him. At TC, Bob said that he (Bob) would be the one to decide if Kenny needed the IN. I watched Kenny's reaction to that, and he didn't seem the least bit surprised, to me. Did anyone else see it that way?
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Friday, December 12, 2008 - 8:17 am
SEA, THX for the explaination .... it was 3 out of the remaining 4 possible votes that were not for matty! not 3 out of 6 altogether, p..... i plead meds-sanity. i like everything sea said in the post after 12am. even if sugar cant win since randy aND CORINNE HATES HER SO, plus she just lost crystal's vote ... i hope she could be the 2nd highest paid at the end, just so corinne and randy could make some sour pusses instead. in my heart of hearts i think bob will proly win as the FAV PLAYER. he may even win the car, but they are gonna try to keep him from the f3. last night tptb had ken's pix in the center talking about f5, that makes me think he did not win the whole game but also wont be out first 30 min. too bad for him he showed his hand at the wrong time. i still wish him the best of luck. he was given a horrible tribe and aligned w/ the worst player who dint bother to quit. why dint crystal just quit? might as well have. the way she 'took part' in the challenges made some wonder in the earlier stage if she was hiding her 'powerhouse-of-an-ability'. HAHAHAHA i read some post that said, 'it's amazing how many things c is bad at'. HAHAHA SHE WAS TOO angry-faced all the time, too. last night was an epi she ever smiled and laughed in .... pamy, i do believe we'll be down to f4 30 min. into the show and 3 by the end of the hour.
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Mak1
Member
08-12-2002
| Friday, December 12, 2008 - 8:23 am
Ponderosa vids with Crystal's arrival are up! You will not believe how the other jurors received her. On the other hand, maybe you will. These people showed such despicable behavior, totally shunning her. Crystal handled it with class. cbs.com/primetime/survivor
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Friday, December 12, 2008 - 8:31 am
You know, I was thinking last night...Crystal is someone who is a trained athlete...I'm guessing here, but I know many athletes, and when they're in the game, "in the zone", whatever you call it, they're focused on one thing. Every person they're competing against is the enemy. Their mission is to win and to destroy the competition. However, when the game is over, it's all left on the court. They don't hate their competition, many times the people they just beat are the same people that they will go out with later that night. I got that same feeling from Crystal as soon as she was voted out.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, December 12, 2008 - 8:58 am
It was a pretty classy exit, not just the speech, but from the moment she stood up. I'll have to watch the Ponderosa vids later but nothing would surprise me with Corinne and Randy. If Marcus and <already forgotten his name> are mean then they fall in my estimation.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Friday, December 12, 2008 - 9:35 am
I can't decide who I like more, Bob, Matty or Sugar.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Friday, December 12, 2008 - 9:49 am
I'm frustrated with my computer, it won't load Crystal at pondersoa part 1. I did see in part two the way Corinne closed Crystal's car door. It really turned me off. blah Corinne I hope it will load later.
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Friday, December 12, 2008 - 10:22 am
I agree - Crystal handled it classy. She really appreciated her and Kenny's alliance. No word for the others, I am just glad they don't have a chance for the finals!
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Friday, December 12, 2008 - 10:51 am
I couldn't view part 1 of the Ponderosa clip on CBS either. However, it's also on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3l_6j0tOLo
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Friday, December 12, 2008 - 11:02 am
Actually we did see Bob tell Kenny he would give him the idol if he needed it. Remember when Kenny, Crystal, and Bob were away from camp and Kenny made the statement that he might not need the idol from Bob this time? Bob said he was a man of his word, but jumped on the out Kenny gave him, and as the conversation progressed, he said he would keep his ears open and if he felt Kenny was going home, he would give it to him. Kenny was the one who opened the door to the new plan. I think he was seriously considering at that time not taking the idol and holding Bob to the promise if he won it the next time. Later he changed his mind and hatched the idea to double cross Bob. How can anyone fault Bob for not giving the idol to Kenny when he found out Kenny's plan to double cross him, especially when it was Kenny who gave him the out? Could anyone really expect him to just meekly hand over the necklace to be voted out. Kenny was certainly not a man of his word, willing to accept the necklace and then voting out the guy who gave it to him. If it had worked, it was a brilliant plan. And the ironic thing is that if Kenny had just gone along with the plan, they would have voted out Matty and there would have been nothing Matty or Sugar could have done about it. But he tried to get cute about the whole thing and got his partner voted out. If I was Crystal, I would be pissed at Kenny. She wanted Matty out along. There is being a man of your word and then there is being stupid. And he did protect Kenny by making the deal to vote out Crystal. So he did uphold the promise. I think what we found out about him was that contrary to what Kenny said, he was not a fool.
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