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Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Monday, December 08, 2008 - 5:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Transcript:

Sugar (talking to Matty): You're not gonna go.


1
Bob (talking to Kenny): There's no reason you should be nervous.

Kenny: I made him feel sorry for me.

Crystal: Stupidest move made in this game.

Matty: Nobody to rely on, nobody to trust.

Sugar: I'd say that's accurate.

Jeff Probst (at Reward Challenge start): Go!
2
3

Bob: I am trying to play for all the marbles.

Matty: This is intense. I don't have much left.

Sugar: I just think the good guys should win.

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Monday, December 08, 2008 - 12:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
So, if Bob won immunity again, he could:

1) keep his promise to Kenny and give him the immunity necklace. Then, he would be voted out.

2) Keep the immunity, but work it so that Crystal or Matty gets voted out.

However, I am a bit confused on who is allied with who.

Bob - seems to be tentatively aligned with Sugar, but may be playing both sides.

Kenny/Crystal - definitely aligned, some of the others may want to split that one up.

Sugar/Matty - I think these 2 are aligned.

Susie - I think she is playing both sides. She would want any option where the stronger player is voted out.

Am I missing anything in the alliances?

I also remember last week's forum where Corrine, Bob and Sugar were shown together. The speculation was that they were the final 3. Since Corrine was voted out, could it be that these are the next 3 who are voted out?

I was out of town for the week and had all these pent up questions in me!

Babyruth
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07-19-2001

Monday, December 08, 2008 - 2:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyruth a private message Print Post    
Bob still hasn't shown anyone (except Corrine) the new and improved fake idol. I hope it comes into play!

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Monday, December 08, 2008 - 3:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Kooklie - Matty keeps saying he, Sugar and Susie.
Susie originally thought it was herself, Crystal and Kenny. The only person missing there is Bob, and if he has the necklace, he should go with whichever combination helps him get rid of a powerhouse ... Matty (brawn) or Kenny (supposedly, brains).

This is one of the 4 clues from the CBS Misdirection:
"A simple plan is hatched to put the hidden immunity idol into play, resulting in a shocking turn of events at Tribal Council."

I can't imagine that Bob would give his necklace to Kenny, but he did promise. I don't have as hard a time imagining that Sugar would give her hidden II to Matty to save that alliance partner.
We will know after Thursday night, but sounds like something is going to happen with the hidden II.

Babyruth: Bob did show the necklace in the last episode to Crystal. She was wide-eyed and astounded and seemed to genuinely believe the story. Kenny had been brought in on the deal by Corinne, so it was Kenny who told Crystal....you vote for one and I'll vote for the other. If the necklace is fake, Corinne goes cause you vote for her along with the others. Frankly, I think Kenny should have done the same thing, cause if the necklace would have been real, and Corinne would have used it, Matty would have gone just by way of 2 votes from Bob and Corinne after Corinne was safe. But it was false, and Corinne did not use it. Now Kenny has put his neck in a noose with Matty and company and has to explain himself.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Monday, December 08, 2008 - 4:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Survivor Fever has updated their bootlist. They show.........

Vulnerable:
Matty
Kenny

Very Vulnerable:
Bob

Wow......if Bob has the IN, which from the pictures it looks like he does, why is he very vulnerable? Unless they think he gives it to Kenny as promised.......WOW!!!

Rbk10
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08-12-2005

Monday, December 08, 2008 - 4:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rbk10 a private message Print Post    
If Kenny thinks that Bob will give him the II........ if Bob still remember that Sugar will give real HII to Bob? from episode 10/11??

so Bob can give kenny for II?? Matty booted?


Damn.. where is Jeff blog preview?? if it is not today maybe tmw

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Monday, December 08, 2008 - 6:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Ginger, I can see Bob giving the immunity to Kenny. He's such an honorable guy, if he said he would give it to Kenny, I believe he would. Plus, other than the fake necklace thing, I think Bob is not a very strategic player.

RBK10, you have one good scenario. The other might be: Bob gives the idol to Kenny, Matty is voted out but Sugar gives the HII to Matty. Maybe someone votes for Bob and he ends up going. I think both immunities will come into play this go around.

Matty keeps saying he, Sugar and Susie. Susie originally thought it was herself, Crystal and Kenny.
I think that Susie is playing both sides partly based on what you said as well. She's got both sides thinking she's with them.

All in all, I'm still on the Kenny train.... I am liking Susie as well. Both are willing to take risks, which I like.

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Monday, December 08, 2008 - 8:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
If Bob wins the immunity idol, he could still give the fake idol to Kenny.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Monday, December 08, 2008 - 10:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
I agree, Catfat. We didn't get to see the whole conversation between Bob and Kenny; just "if I win immunity, I'll give it to you." They could have been talking about the fake idol (that Kenny thinks is real), and that could be what "it" refers to.

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 3:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
But Kenny knows

that 2nd FII couldn't be real, or Corrine would have used it to save herself. That was why Kenny was trying to flush it out.

If Bob wins IC, very clearly the Dustmop around the neck doesn't look like the Dangling Fake Beads Hanging from a thong just isn't the same. I'm so confused! Must admit, Survivors has turned this into one EXCITING season, almost stumping the spoilers!

Matty: Nobody to rely on, nobody to trust.

Sugar: I'd say that's accurate.
Is she outing herself?

Is it possible that Sugar might be willing to turn against Matty? He's so agile and able to win endurance in the past, wouldn't he ALSO be a threat to Sugar herself? They're getting close to the point of having to 'eat their own' already.

I don't think I want to count Bob out yet. As a High School Physics teacher, he's been dealing with teenagers laying "guilt trips" for many years (i.e., WHA, you gave me a C when I deserved an A?) and staying ahead of them by knowing the teenager mindsets.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 10:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
This week's show seems to be pretty cut and dry except for the actual TC and boot.

The Reward Challenge (3 people get to see a great part of Gabon, get cleaned up, and get tribal garb to wear).
Start of challenge - run an obstacle course, get a ball, run throw it in a basket, then repeat over and over again. Matty = blue, Bob = green, Crystal = Red, Ken = orange, Susie = yellow, Sugar = purple ----- Obviously Bob, Kenny and Crystal get to go based on previous pics of cleaned up clothes and tribal wear. Pictures appear that Bob wins and takes the other two.

The IC is the blindfold challenge we have seen pics of. Based on the "going to TC" pic, the 5 in the pic don't have IN on, so it appears Bob wins that also.

So, is Bob immune? Does Sugar use her Hidden II? Does Bob give the IN to Kenny? Does Sugar give the Hidden II to Matty? These are the unanswered questions. The only thing we have to go by is the F5 pic of the players walking along the side of the shacks and it all depends on who the 5 are........and people are not agreeing on who they see. Most agree that they see: Susie, Matty, Kenny, Sugar and Bob. Some say, "Nope, they see Susie, Crystal, Kenny, Sugar and Bob/Matty. We just can't seem to spoil it completely (LOL).

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 12:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
If Bob gives the II to Kenny he would be a HUGE fool. And I don't see him as a fool. At least I'm hoping he's not a fool. Why does he owe Kenny anything? (Rhetorical question by the way.)

Scotchbright
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Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 12:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scotchbright a private message Print Post    
Matty: Nobody to rely on, nobody to trust.

Sugar: I'd say that's accurate.


These comments could be about someone else - like Matty is describing Bob's fate and Sugar is agreeing...

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 8:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Well.......it looks like posters at other sites think that Sugar gives her Hidden II to Matty. She wears it to TC, makes it look like she intends to use it. The votes are cast and then Jeff says, if anybody has the idol, now is the time to play it.........she gives it to Matty, he is saved, the vote bounces..........leaning towards a Crystal boot, or maybe a Kenny boot. Bob evidently has immunity, but may have given it to Kenny before the voting takes place to keep his promise.

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 9:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Cool, the possibility of 2 idols played in the same Tribal council. That would surely be memorable.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 9:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
If Sugar does give her HII to Matty that is brilliant! This would be the last TC the HII can be played. Let the others think she is going to use it on herself, then she actually protects Matty. Brilliant I say!

Seamonkey
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Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 11:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I'd love to see that!

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 5:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
It's beginning to sound like the TC of the Century....and Randy will get to see the whole thing from the jury box. Will it endear him to Sugar???..............Nah!!!

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 10:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    

quote:

If Sugar does give her HII to Matty that is brilliant! This would be the last TC the HII can be played. Let the others think she is going to use it on herself, then she actually protects Matty. Brilliant I say!




Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the HII could be played when they are down to five, thus ensuring you a spot in the final four. If so, then the next TC is the last time it can be played. That's why I don't think Sugar will give it up this TC to Matty. She needs it to get to the final four since she can't seem to win an Immunity Challenge.

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 10:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Here's my perfect scenario:

Bob, Susie, Sugar, Crystal, Matty, Kenny.

Bob gives the immunity to Kenny up front.
Susie, Bob, Crystal, & Kenny vote for Matty
Sugar and Matty vote for Bob.
Sugar gives the HII to Matty prior to the counting of the vote.
Vote happens and Bob goes home.

If they don't get rid of Bob when they have the chance, he will win every immunity going forward. So, if he does give the immunity necklace to Kenny, they should vote him out.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Well maybe so, I just can't see Sugar leaving herself wide open to be voted off at the next TC. Don't they know it never works out for you when you give your immunity necklace to someone else?

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 12:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Sugar may think by doing this the odds would now stacked in her favor at the next TC. She's not a physical threat, so it may be worth the risk to keep Matty there.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 2:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Went over to Wikipedia and looked the rules up for Hidden Immunity Idol on Survivor. Lexie is right....the F4 TC or the F5 TC, depending on the season is the last time to use it. This will be the F6 TC, so Sugar doesn't have to play it. But, wearing it this time out front as she is doing, to make the others think they are trying to flush it out so she plans to use it, is probably what she intends, but by the time she gives it to Matty, she is already safe for this TC. Here's the rules:
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Hidden immunity idol

Yau-Man Chan celebrates by kissing the turtle-shaped Hidden Immunity Idol after finding it during Survivor: Fiji.In the most recent of the US versions, hidden immunity idols have been made available. These idols, typically a small object that fits with the theme of the Survivor location, are hidden near camp or located on Exile Island, with cumulative clues given to a select player (in Guatemala) or to exiled or kidnapped players (otherwise) as to its location. Once found, the player that possesses an idol may keep it or transfer it to another player prior to the start of Tribal Council, and it may not be stolen from that player. The player is not required to show this idol to other players, though may use it as a bargaining chip for alliance and voting purposes. Other players may discover the ownership of the idol via any means within the rules of the game, including peeking into other player's personal possessions. In the first few seasons of the twist, only one idol was ever in play, but in Survivor: Fiji and Survivor: China, two hidden immunity idols were made available to the players (one located at each camp). The hidden immunity idol can only be used up until and including the Tribal Council of the final four or five players, depending on the season.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 2:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Insider --- Tribal Council Voting last week:
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Tribal Council Voting

Watch as the final seven cast their votes

Corinne (Matty): I'm sorry, I really like you as a person, but you're an individual immunity threat, and I think everyone else realizes that too.

Crystal ("Corrine"): You only started talking to me within the last 48 hours. My alliance is thicker than you could ever think. Sorry, it was great knowing you, but you gotta go.

Bob (Matty with a sad face and a tear): Sorry, Matty. I tried. (folds vote) You chose not to come with us.

Sugar (Corinne): You are a nasty, negative, alcoholic, silicone-enhanced golddigger. You should do really well in LA. Good game, but not good enough.

Matty (Corinne): Sorry, Corinne.

Susie (Corinne): Corinne, I still thought I treated you well in camp, always gave you my extra corn. Had to be you instead of me. Good luck.

Ken (Matty): Matty, this is really a strategic move. I need to get Bob and Corinne to trust me. You're a huge powerhouse and (?) to take you out. Sorry to see you go, bro.

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 2:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Wow, Sugar didn't have to go there.