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Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 5:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Exactly Kitt, that's my point in the other thread. Ken lied to Sugar telling her some b.s. story about Ace and the II. Sugar wasn't really buying it until Ace came and asked her for the II, then she must have thought that Ken was telling her the truth. So technically, it wasn't great game play on Sugar's part - it was great game play on Ken's part.


Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 6:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I don't think exactly lied, since Mattie and Ace were talking about Sugar. But I'm not sure Ken could've really known what was being said unless Mattie spilled the beans.

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 6:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
Ken's story = lie

he performed a hail mary to sway sugar

Thesnark
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09-27-2008

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 6:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Thesnark a private message Print Post    
Ken obviously blew smoke up sugars behind. There has been no video evidence of ace ever wanting to turn on sugar.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 8:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
JP's blog this week says they completely blindside both tribes next week - he seemed very gleeful at whatever they pull over on the Survivors - and I'm looking forward to it.

I was happy w/both Dan and Ace going. Dan reminds me of every needy teen wrapped up all in one man's body, and Ace - well, the only way to get rid of him was the blindside, and I think it was a smart move on both Ken and Sugar's part.

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 9:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
I think Ken totally made up his story HOPING it would cause doubt for Sugar. I don't believe, judging from the look on Matty's face that he told Ken anything.

I also agree Sugar would have been gone a while ago if NOT for Ace...regardless of his reasons. Even before she had the idol they were a tight alliance.

Sugar
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08-15-2000

Friday, October 31, 2008 - 10:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sugar a private message Print Post    
I think when Sugar went into the tent and laid down near Crystal it looked like she may have been crying.

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Saturday, November 01, 2008 - 12:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
I'm still reading these. But RealityTVWorld always gives interesting exit interviews:

Exclusive: Ace Gordon discusses his surprise 'Survivor: Gabon' ouster
http://tinyurl.com/597ull

Exclusive: Dan Kay dishes about his 'Survival: Gabon' ouster
http://tinyurl.com/5mrhuo

'Survivor: Gabon' eliminates both Ace Gordon and Dan Kay
http://tinyurl.com/6ctnvo

Supergranny
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02-03-2005

Saturday, November 01, 2008 - 9:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Supergranny a private message Print Post    
Hi Biscottiii! I was just thinking I hadn't run into you for a while. You keeping busy?

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Saturday, November 01, 2008 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Hi back! Dealing with contractors re: house mold abatement, computer crashes with no access for 38 days, the Best Buy Geeks purged ALL my files after 30 days [uh opps they said!] & left me with nothing. One more failure (4 bad repairs required for them to call the new laptop a 'lemon' and we've only had 3 replacements so far). I'm still trying to even find all my favorite sites (like RealityTVWorld, which I just remembered lastnight).

I've been watching this & TAR, enjoying reading your posts when I could. I'm liking Sugar, Ken & Marcus. Kind of thinking Sugar was smart to send Ace packing. He may have protected her, but if the HII ever got played I think he wouldn't hesitate to turn on her. He just seemed awful cocky about his 'joint ownership' of Sugar's idol.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Saturday, November 01, 2008 - 7:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogdoc a private message Print Post    
I think Ace would have played the idol that night. He would have saved himself and Sugar would have been left with nothing but a bunch of fruit.

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Saturday, November 01, 2008 - 8:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Yes Dogdoc, I think you hit that right on!

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, November 03, 2008 - 8:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
In the interview with Ace, he was asked if he would have turned on Sugar and he said why would he, that she would have been a great one to go to FII with.

Then the interviewer asked if he would have been loyal to his alliance with Matty. He said he was committed to go to the final with Matty, and he said he thought he could have convinced the jury to vote for him over Matty.

So which was it, Matty or Sugar?

My question is if it had come down to a choice between Matty and Sugar, which one would he have chosen? It would have been whichever he thought he could have beaten, which is the way it should be. I don't fault him for it.

But what bothers me is how so many of them seem to have a sense of entitlement. They will do what they have to do to win, but they resent it when someone else does the same thing and it backfires on them.

I imagine like someone else said that Sugar took what Ken said with a grain of salt until Ace asked her for the idol. It just seemed to confirm what Ken said about Ace using her.

And Ken heard enough from the conversation between Ace and Matty to believe what he said was true. The thing is that we all know from other sources that Ace did not want to get rid of Sugar at least not yet because he thought her having the idol would protect him too.

I also have never understood why anyone would think someone should give them the idol. Sugar found the thing. She is the one that had to go to Exile Island. Why should she even consider giving it to anyone else? Sure she had the immunity necklace for this week, but if she had given Ace the idol and he had used it, what protection would she have in the future? And of what use would she be to Ace then? Without the idol, she is vunerable.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, November 03, 2008 - 9:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
ITA agree, Ginger, and it's kinda what I'd been saying. I also don't think Ace would've brought Sugar to F2 with him because I don't think he would've won against her and I think he knows that.

That "gimme the idol" thing cracks me up. Sugar was the one who had to go to Exile Island FIVE TIMES IN A ROW. Why should she give it to him, even tho she had immunity for that one TC? She wouldn't have protection in the future.

While I would've preferred to see Crystal leave, Ace would've been my next choice on that tribe.

I really think he thought he would win (a la Richard in Season 1). But that kind of arrogant belief really only works in the first season of any reality show, before the others catch on to the game.

Gurliegirl
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06-20-2006

Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 8:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gurliegirl a private message Print Post    
Sorry if this has already been asked, but when Ace left, did he have the Immunity Idol on his person? Did he take Sugar's insurance policy with him when he left?

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 8:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
No.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 2:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Apparently not, Gurliegirl. Since Sugar had retrieved the idol from his belongings and told his she had, and she voted against him, I doubt if she gave it back to him. That would have been ultra foolish.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 10:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I agree. Why should Sugar give up the idol?

I'm thinking maybe Ace figured it would be a Final Three scenario so he'd never have to choose between Matty and Sugar..

Fiat
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10-07-2004

Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 1:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fiat a private message Print Post    
I just finally watched this episode...
I noticed during the end when they show who voted for which person, that Corinne voted for Dan, while the rest of her alliance voted for Susie. What is that about?

Askme_who_ur
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08-19-2006

Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 5:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Askme_who_ur a private message Print Post    
Corrine's alliance wanted Dan out so everyone voted for Dan but as backup several voted for Susie, in case Dan had the Hidden II. It was all planned. There is no riff. Just a precaution.

Fiat
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10-07-2004

Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 7:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fiat a private message Print Post    
Oh...makes sense. Thank you for clarifying!! There sure has been some deeply thought out gameplay this season. Nice.