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Allietex
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08-16-2002

Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 7:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
The thing about good and evil on these reality shows is so silly. We see it all the time, in Big Brother, AR, Survior and most of the others. Players declare their alliance are the "good people." The audience remembers the "evil" deeds they have done and just shake their heads in bewilderment.

But I guess I can see how the players get sucked into the idea. They are stuck in close quarters with a limited number of people, often in harsh conditions and in a competitive atmosphere. Things that happen get magified way out of porportion.

Things that in real life would just get laughed off become deadly serious and take on a life of their own.

There is no outlet of other people or activities to draw your attention from whatever happened.

There are no people that have no interest in it to make you see things in their proper light.

And you see the same people and you rehash the same events and feed on the anger of each other.

It happens in real life also, but unless it is rather serious, we get involved in other areas of life, forget and move on. But how do you do that when you can't just walk away from the situation?

And it is natural to think of oneself as the good person. Few people think of themselves as bad people. So as the sides become more defined, they begin to see the other side as the enemy, thus they are evil.

In battle, leaders often try to demonize the enemy. It makes it easier for the soldiers to kill them if they think them less than human. In a small way, I think that is what happens in reality shows. That is why you see the "good people" and the good vs evil theme show up so often. A bit silly, perhaps, but a naural human reaction.

I always get a laugh when some group declares themselves the "good people." They are usually deluding themselves.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Why do I feel like I have to defend the fact that I like Sugar and the way she played the game? I know that I have never said she was a little baby girll(said in a baby voice), I never said she could do no wrong. Why is it that people seem offended because we like a certian player? I like Bob too but I guess he is ok to like. I like Suzie and she went far in the game for mostly staying under the radar. My favorite for this season was Sugar and yes she is not perfect.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 10:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
People Magazine interview with the final three:

http://tvwatch.people.com/2008/12/17/survivor-gabons-finalists-sound-off/

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 11:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I don't think anyone should have to defend their favorites. It's just like BB, you like who you like.

It seems to me that Survivor is having trouble filling the slots. I remember Jeff saying at the finale something like both Suzie and Randy had applied 15 times or something?

So, sounds like they recruited some folks to build drama. That's not the fault of the players. Blame the producers if you want to.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 11:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
You either like somebody, hate somebody, are or indifferent. You shouldn't have to defend your choices. Everybody has their own opinion. And like I've said many times...none of these people are going to send any of us a single penny so I'm not going to get really worked up about it.

Tvclubber
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06-22-2008

Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tvclubber a private message Print Post    
Congrats to Bob. It's neat that a teacher won Big Brother and a teacher won Survivor in 2009. I bet their students learn a lot from them.

Emotionally, Corrine appears to be stuck in seventh grade. My hubby told me that he remembers dealing with mean girls like her when he was in junior high. He said they were vicious. I never saw such venom then. Unfortunately, I often see it from grown women.

I wasn't too surprised at Marcus's behavior at TC. If he were the best doctor in the world, I wouldn't want him touching me.

I'm happy that Sugar and Susie made it to the final three. They both deserved to be there.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 2:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Demecee, so true. We don't always like people because they are perfect. We like them in spite of the fact they are not perfect.

And just as in real life, we like someone because of something in their makeup that resonanates with us. We can't always express it in words.

Eeyore, I think as others have said, that by the time they got to that point, she was convinced that she could not win against anyone so she just decided to vote for the tie and as she said, let fate decide.

And the way the votes went and the fact that at least 5 said they would have voted for him if he had gone instead of Bob, that was true.

You noticed no one said they would have voted for Sugar. If people were going to vote for Susie, they would have voted for anyone before they voted for Sugar. I think she knew that and just felt free to do what she wanted.

Laneesmom
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05-12-2005

Friday, December 19, 2008 - 2:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Laneesmom a private message Print Post    
Like I said before, Sugar didn't REALLY let fate decide - when one person (Bob) was told it was coming (the tie) and one person wasn't informed (Mattie). I think she made her decision there.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, December 19, 2008 - 3:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
but everybody knows you have to be able to make a fire. I do wish she would have had the foresight to let Matty know. Seems Matty should just figured it out, I really liked him but I think Bob is the better at surviving.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Friday, December 19, 2008 - 4:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
The pre-show bio stated that Bob is an "outdoorsman." That pretty much indicates to me that he can build a fire when needed.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, December 19, 2008 - 4:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Anyone remember the challenge earlier in the series where they had to make fire and Susie won? Was that just with a few people or did she beat Bob then?

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, December 19, 2008 - 5:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
That was with everyone, although I think it was Crystal, Bob, Kenny, Marcus....why do I think Suzie got the immunity, and then that is why she was the swing vote...

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, December 19, 2008 - 5:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Found a wiki about it... it was Episode 9, and it does look like it was everyone. Susie and Sugar were the only ones to get a fire going and Susie won. Yeah, good memory, she was the swing vote to vote out Charlie that week.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, December 19, 2008 - 6:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I always wonder why they don't build a tall structure, with kindling at the TOP of the structure, then start the fire up higher...

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, December 19, 2008 - 6:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I'm guessing, never having started a fire myself, that it's because they need the ground or a solid surface to steady the flint for when they strike it with the knife. It'd be too easy to slip if you were just holding it in one hand.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, December 19, 2008 - 8:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Or build the tall structure, then light the kindling on the floor, and lift it up there....you know how they have it in their hands sometimes and they're blowing on it to ignite...

Jbw
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08-14-2006

Saturday, December 20, 2008 - 2:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jbw a private message Print Post    
I do wish she would have had the foresight to let Matty know

Sugar made the right move for herself in not telling Matty & Susie about her plan to make it a tie. If Sugar told Matty she was voting against him to make a tie, it could have put Sugar's chance to be in the F3 in jeopardy.

If Matty thought that in a fire making challenge, he couldn't beat Bob or thought Sugar was easier to beat, Matty & Susie could have easily switched their votes from Bob to Sugar. Then the tie would have been between Matty & Sugar.

I could see Susie going along with the switch figuring she had a better chance to sneak in with a win if Bob & Matty split the final votes, then going up against Bob alone, figuring/knowing no one would probably vote for Sugar.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, December 22, 2008 - 6:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Good point, Jbw, I never thought of that about Bob and Matty splitting the votes. However, I think what would actually have happened would have they would have split all the votes and Susie would not have gotten any.