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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 12:42 pm
I do not like Sugar's smirking, but I do think there is a difference in her gameplay than Kenny's. As Sugar said, Kenny and Crystal were mean to others. I see Kenny's way to 'play the game' as more targeting one individual at a time and then going for the juggler... whereas I see Sugar's strategy as helping those that can help her have the numbers... I prefer her gameplay more than Kenny's...
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 12:49 pm
Sugar was mean to Randy. I did not like her at all that episode. But I liked her better when she turned against the meanness of others. Kenny has become quite arrogant about his control of the others and the situation. I don't like that of him. It tastes like poor sportsmanship to me.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 1:31 pm
I dont fault Kenny for his arrogance as I believe the camera ppl coax them into saying things during confessionals. I like Kenny, I actually like more ppl this season than ever before. This has turned out to be a top 5 season for me
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Askme_who_ur
Member
08-19-2006
| Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 4:04 pm
At the beginning of the season I was rooting for the Onion alliance. I am so happy now to root for the others and the onion alliance are on the jury. I think now , I would have preferred them leaving before the jury. I think after seeing themselves edited on TV, Marcus and Charlie might be apologetic at the reunion show. Corrine and Randy ? I don't think they have the capability to be sorry for their actions. I would be content with a Bob, Matty, Sugar, even Susie win. Matty came from money but now he has Jamie to think about. Sugar had some money being an actress. Everyone else it would change their lives.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 7:15 pm
I think Randy was mean to people first and sort of unrelentingly, so I cannot fault anyone for being mean to Randy. Kenny is really pushing it with the "mastermind" talk, but Pamy may be right and he may be encouraged to say that I really disliked his whole interaction with Bob.. ok, Kenny, you got played with a fake idol and you got outed for voting against Matty, but Bob doesn't owe you the world for that! and his plot to guilt Bob into giving up his immunity and then stab Bob in the back.. well I'm really glad Sugar saved both Bob and Matty even though she really does know they are bigger threats.
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Panda
Member
07-15-2005
| Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 3:52 am
I agree with Pamy's post. I like more this season than usual. I also think because Kenny and Crystal were part of the team that lost every challenge when things started swinging their way-it gave them a big boost and I am sure they were reminded of that when being interviewed. Especially Kenny who is this skinny, nerdy kid and that he got to take part in getting rid of Marcus? ego boost indeed. Maybe Kenny is seeing this like one of his games,each level or TC he defeats his status moves up and he feels like he "mastered" it...lol long stretch here. Even if I disagreed with some of their moves-I get it. They also stayed tight with each other.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 8:58 am
and I agree with Panda's I never thought about the nerd aspect and I think you are right. We can only imagine how he feels out there,esp if he has been belittled his whole life for being a little skinny video playing kid. I want Sugar to win cuz I love her but also cuz I will win over 300.00 if she does!! If she gets 2nd I win 140.00, 3rd and it drops to only 20.00!! Go Sugar! (I win 80.00 if Susie wins, thats a longshot though )
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 9:56 am
THX, Nessie! I Agree w/Pammy about pas behind the camera bring out the most colorful side of players. (Kenny) BUT, May i also remind the ken-dislikers to his age? He's 22! he hasn't have much experience with ANY relationships outside his adoring family! i bet he never in his whole life felt any chance to claim to be 'in control' outside of his games. he really was meek, trying to stay under the radar in the beginning. he even was comfortable w/ having at least one hot girl -Michelle- wanting to form some sort of an ally w/himself. He stumbled on the 'power' when they turned Susie. the onion layers have no one to blame but themselves. << They really could have dominate the game at that point, take out non-KATO before they axe Susie, . We know the PAs ask them constantly in confessions of their feelings in the game. 'think you could do something to win over KATO?' ... 'do you think you'll last this TC?' ... 'Think they'd listen & follow your plan?' .... 'Wow! You did it! How good do you think this alliance would be?' ... 'Unbelievable?!? yOUR BRAIN POWER IS SOMETHING TO BEHOLD!'... 'HOW GOOD DO YOU THINK YOUR CHANCE OF WINNING THE WHOLE THING IS NOW?' ... ... ... ... As a gamer, KEN may have spent all his time in one room, not unlike some of us when Summer BB is on. His mother & sisters waits on him, grateful that he could support the family on something like that. We could tell he was probably not talked to often by girls, may have been shuffed by jocks and shuned by most in & after HS. if he was trying hard to get to the F3 WITH WHATEVER HE COULD WORK WITH, I give him props. If he said whatever he said in confessions to be a good employer for SEG, I understand. Even if he said those while in his own extream high; or plot to rid the biggest threat to IIN by doing low blows, I get it!! As an older person who sometimes teaches in HS, and being viewed as kinda corky myself , I am pulling for Bob. He does have a decent chance to get to F3! As a female I won't mind if they give it to Sugar for her great game moves, or Susie for her doing all the work around camp and simply MAKING THE F3! but, aSIAN OR NOT, I certanly would be happy for Kenny if he wins the prize! I hope he would have a better chance to make some real friends after this experiece. They say there's reality groupies who'd threw themselves on Randy even, I hope Ken will see through the nonesense and learn to form true relationships. Forgot to mention, at least Ken Bob and Sue were fans of the show.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 10:15 am
Chy... Although what you say MAY be true, it is all just speculation and somewhat stereotyping a gamer. I have known many 22-year olds that have had a whole lot of experience interacting with others that are not their adoring family; and yes they are nerds! Just because you are a nerd and play video games doesn't mean that you isolate yourself. And WOW, I didn't know that he supported his family. And just like many Chess players I know, as they travel from tournament to tournament they are 'in control". There is even a sub-culture of gamers of which I bet Kenny has many relationships and loves to dominate... I also think Bob would be a great winner!
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 10:44 am
Bon, I thought i see those real meekness in how he carries himself, even in the shinny, glossy promo pix. his head is held in a humble way, an air of 'ready to give in to the power'. his convo w/ Michelle shows how little he knows to be around girls. after the confession we heard him say just that, he later showed more greenness in dealing w/ girls to me by calling every other girl 'hot'. the way he talks to GC, Randy, Matt, ... the way he thought he was guilting Bob, ... ... those do not show a person knowing much about relating to others. Him being an Asian, and how i know the culture, is why i said some of those as well. Hoang uses his tournament winnings to help support his family. He and his siblings still live at home to help pay the mortgage. It has also led to a strong bond among his brothers and sisters. In fact it was his sister that started his addiction to SURVIVOR. --- CBS official site. I just don't get why SUGAR gets passes being mean some times and Matty is adored for having done nothing in the game-play but follow ...
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 10:56 am
Just to be clear, I don't dislike Kenny. In fact, he was one of my favs early on. I just dislike poor sportsmanship, and to me, that means gloating behavior. My son is 14, and I've taught him that's not okay, so age is not really a relative issue here for me. I still like Kenny, but I'm glad he got taken down a peg, since I'm not there to give him the Mom says it's not okay to be a poor sport lecture. A little dose of humility works wonders in itself. So now let's see if he sulks, or if he comes around to appreciate the gamesmanship of his competitors as much as he appreciated his own.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 11:21 am
Chy... thanks for the blurb about him helping out is family. good for him!! But I still am not going to say that he is a loner. At my daughters High School the "Asian Nerds" are magnets as they are the 1st to attract the lab partner in science or the study buddy in Math. My son, though not a professional loves computer games and the kids certainly seek out those who may know the secret to getting to the higher level... So while Kenny may not have been comfortable at the High School Dance he no doubt has had plenty of interaction with others... And I would agree with Karuuna here. I would much rather see the person on top be a bit more humble...
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 11:31 am
Bonbon, in that scenerio the only reason they are magnets is cuz the others want something from them. Are they magnets during the dances?...just sayin..... My 13yrold is a gamer and has an active social life, so yes you can be a gamer and not just a loner. I do agree with Chy about Kenny and agree about how he came across early in the game. My son's BF is asian so we have been around the culture for over 13 yrs and I see some of what Chy is seeing and agree. I read Ken is really pushing for ppl to vote for him as fav player....a cocky guy would not do that, he would figure he would get it automatically! That alone proves to me Kenny is not as cocky as he comes off in confessionals. We all know how BB coaches DR why should Survivor be any different?
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Nerovh
Member
06-11-2005
| Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 12:08 pm
I think what really got me about Kenny was how he was bragging during the family member episode to his sister about how he "saved" this person and this person and this person, so they all owed him and trusted him and liked him. I don't hate Kenny, but I do find his bragging extemely annoying and wish he would pull it back a little so I could actually like him again. I find Matty more likable, but I'm not sure I'd be happier with him winning than Kenny because I haven't really seen Matty play any real game. I don't always like Sugar's smirking, but I have to admit I was also laughing a lot of the time that she was, especially at the TC where Randy played the fake HII. Considering the first four jury members have been acting to Crystal at the Ponderosa, I don't begrudge anyone some smirking at their expense.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 12:18 pm
No Pamy they are not magnets simply because others want something from them. They are their friends!!! They hang out together. They see each other after school. They have lunch together, they even go to the dances together. But nope, no one is a magnet at the dances because they are all awkward. Anyway, I think we digress. My point is that while Kenny may be inexperienced with personal relationships, he very well may not...
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 4:14 pm
I'm for a player. I don't have to like them. 1. Susie played the first move with her vote. 2. Sugar latched onto a man and then made a game move. 3. Ken has been a player, made moves with Crystal and survived. 4. Bob won to keep himself in the game but also made a move to oust Randy. 5. Matty, well I can't really think of anything he did in the game but I like him and as Sugar said the good deserve to stay in the game. I'm happy with the final 5. Football still on .
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Sourweedjm
Member
04-06-2007
| Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 4:26 pm
sugar,bob or matty for the win!!
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Necie
Member
09-07-2006
| Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 4:30 pm
I want Matty or Susie to win. I think the desperation of Matty to remain in the game is what draws me into him. I like Susie because she has played the game the whole time. She has always pretty much been an outsider but she has not let that hurt her gameplay. She refuses to be ousted!
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Necie
Member
09-07-2006
| Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 5:05 pm
OK, I really messed up. I meant to say Sugar and not Susie. Don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain.
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