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Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, April 18, 2008 - 2:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I know what you mean! I think it's funny when she smirks! I just love Cirie! She is one of my favorite all time reality tv show people. She is so entertaining.

I just hope that for her sake, if she gets to the end, that she can get Ozzy's vote. (and the majority of the votes!) If she was smiling when he was studying the jury at his exit, he may hold that against her...the smile, not necessarily the good game play move of voting him out.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, April 18, 2008 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I agree, what was Ozzy thinking not using an idol that everybody knew about?

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, April 18, 2008 - 3:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Eliza's face was also priceless

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, April 18, 2008 - 4:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
The thing about the HII, too, is that everyone knew Ozzy had it. And when that happens, the survivors generally want to "force" the holder of the HII to put it into play. I would never EVER trust ANYONE if I was playing a game for $1M. I don't care how much fish I brought in for 'em to eat. No one is indispensible!

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Friday, April 18, 2008 - 5:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
Except for Yul. Everyone knew he had the HII, but they never tried to flush it out. Knowing he had it, for some reason, made everyone afraid to vote for him.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, April 18, 2008 - 6:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Slinky, they couldn't really flush it out during Yul's season, which was the first season of the HII. During that season, the HII could be played after the votes were read, and if the person who had the highest number of votes played the idol, the person with the second highest amount of votes would get voted out.

The following season is when they changed it that the HII had to be played before Jeff read the votes.


ETA: Which is why no one voted for Yul to force him to play the idol, because they all knew someone else would get voted out.


Spear
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08-06-2001

Friday, April 18, 2008 - 6:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
I think the first season of the HII was S11 (Guatemala), when it had to be played before the votes were *cast*. The HII was found and played by Gary.

The next season was Exile Island, and the rule was changed so that the HII was played after the votes were read. Like Yul in the next season (Cook Islands), Terry found the Idol but never had to play it.

Nan
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09-25-2000

Saturday, April 19, 2008 - 1:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nan a private message Print Post    
I liked Ozzy, too....but I did feel a sense of entitlement. I also didn't like the lying to Jason....I know there is outwit, ouplay, etc....but boldface lying still kind of bugs me......espescially since the lie was used to get food for everyone.
If Ozzy left the Idol at camp, since he didn't take it with him, would they re-hide it for someone else to find?
I really really like Erik......I guess it is the naivety (spelling?)...plus he sees the "wonder" of things.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, April 19, 2008 - 4:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I agree with Lexie. The first year of the HII it could be played after votes read and for the reasons she states is why they changed the rule

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Saturday, April 19, 2008 - 5:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Thank you Pamy. I thought I was going crazy.



Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Saturday, April 19, 2008 - 5:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Okay, I'm only half crazy. The HII was first introduced in Guatemala, but it could be played after Jeff read the votes - thus resulting in the person with the second highest amount of votes to go.

The following season is when they changed it that it had to be played after the votes were cast but before Jeff read the votes.


Spear
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08-06-2001

Saturday, April 19, 2008 - 7:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
No -- in Guatemala, the Idol had to be played before the votes were cast:
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor11/show/ep09/index.shtml

quote:

On night 24, in an unprecedented "Hail Mary" move, Gary, the ex-professional football player, shocked his tribemates by pulling out the hidden Immunity idol the moment before the vote. With Gary suddenly immune, the tribe voted out Bobby Jon Drinkard [...]


For the next two seasons ("Exile Island" and "Cook Islands"), the rule changed so that the Idol could be played after the votes were read.

In "Fiji", the rule changed again and the Idol had to be played after the votes were cast but before the votes were read. (I think this second rule change is what you remember.) The rules remained that way for "China" and now "Micronesia".

Hootyhoot
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12-18-2001

Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 7:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hootyhoot a private message Print Post    
I loved watching Ozzy both in his last season and in this season ... but he seems to think that you are not a real friend if you didn't help him win the million. In the interviews I've read, he ends up sounding like he "deserved" the loyalty of Cirie and Parv ... but he had already plotted (with Joel I think) to get rid of Cirie, and you know he would have turned on Parv when he needed to ... so Cirie and Parv prevented Ozzy from getting them out by getting HIM out ... and now he's mad! Way to go, ladies!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, April 21, 2008 - 5:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I finally watched this episode and I have to say I loved seeing Ozzy get played. I think he let his ego get in the way of the game (even after James had a feeling the girls were gonna do something). No way should he have NOT brought the HII idol to TC. And what he said was really stoopid... read everyone at TC and then decide? Yeah, well, if you don't have the HII with you, then what good will that do?

While I liked Ozzy his first season, his entitlement attitude this season really bugged me.

Watching James, Amanda, and Eliza as the votes were read was PRICELESS (thanks for the heads' up, Sea!). Eliza cracked me up, and when the votes got to three for Ozzy, you could tell James and Amanda knew something was up. And Ozzy's glare after his torch was extinguished. Lovely. Such a nice loser. Not.

At this point, the person I'd really like to win is James. (If I liked Parvati or Cirie more, I'd say I'd want either of them to win. But I don't like either one. I kinda like Amanda, but not really all that sure. And I don't know anything about Alexis or Natalie.)

ETA: I can't believe Ozzy dropped for three donuts! After having just feasted on all that food. And the two girls crossing their fingers as they promised Jason? Hello? How old ARE you????

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, April 21, 2008 - 10:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
There is also the thing that if you "flush" out the idol, you also have to have a second place vote that you are willing to sacrifice as well in case the idol is played.

That can be tricky becauwse everyone has to be in on the play EXCEPT the idol holder and the sacrifice. and the right number of votes have to be played.

If everyone is not in on the plan and one of the outsiders, or the sacrifice or the idol holder get wind of it, they can band together and vote who they want as the sacrifice, probably the instigator of the "flush."

Flushing out the idol can get tricky and dangerous.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Monday, April 21, 2008 - 1:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Ozzy said in his interview that his shoulders are in bad shape from surfing, and that he would have had to drop in any case, so doing it for the doughnuts made sense -

Denecee
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09-05-2002

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I still love me some Ozzy! Cirie for the win!!!

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Monday, April 21, 2008 - 3:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE a Cirie win!!

Nerovh
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06-12-2005

Monday, April 21, 2008 - 6:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
I still want James to win, just because he says a lot of the things that I want to say to some of those people and he makes me laugh. But I will also be fine with a Cirie win, she has made some very smart moves!

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I'd be happy with either Cirie or James.

I think Cirie is playing a great mental game...she's out smarted most of them so far and seems to be under the radar...well at least so far.

James...I'd like to see him win for no other reason than his idiotic loss from his original season. Plus he was on the the "girl alliance" but I suppose he didn't feel a need to push the idea since Ozzie was still James' biggest threat.

Has James won any challenges yet? I can see him winning them from here on out. This has been a season of blindsides and shenanigans and as a viewer I appreciate it! ;)

I like this season. I went in with very low expectations. (maybe thats the key for me)

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Haven't there been only two individual challenges so far?

Sharinia
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09-07-2002

Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 11:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sharinia a private message Print Post    
Just watched. Have to say, I liked seeing Ozzy go. Did not find him appealing at all.

Jason is from my neck of the woods. I think he is cute, and its fun watching him get all proud of himself for holding his own with the big boys.

Didn't care for Parvati early on, but her endurance in the immunity challenge and very bold strategic move to switch sides were impressive. She may be well positioned for the f2 in a few weeks if she can argue that half of the jury hates her.

I agree that Cirie is smart and fun to watch


Allietex
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08-16-2002

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 8:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Wonder who Cirie will target next. Will it be a physical threat, a mental (intelligence in the game, or a social threat. Which category would you put each person in?

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 10:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Good question. I think everyone except Cirie herself is a physical threat. I don't feel I know some of them well enough to know if they are a mental threat. I have to say that if I were playing the game right now, I would target Parvati because she is someone I find threatening in all three areas and mostly because she is so untrustworthy and not loyal. I think Parvati and Amanda are huge threats in all areas. But I think Amanda might not turn on someone she is loyal to at this point. I think James has the potential to be a mental threat and a social threat, but he hasn't always played that way enough.

Cirie will probably target who she feels is most threatening to her. I don't know who she might feel that is right now.

Sammi
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03-31-2008

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 12:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sammi a private message Print Post    
HELP ME PLEASE......I have been a lurker here since the first season of Big Brother. I joined just to see if someone could help me. I have taped every season of Survivor, but in the process of moving, accidently lost a box of cassettes in the dumpster. (at least I think that's what happened) I was able to get DVD's of most of the lost seasons but still need #8- VANUATU. I do have a tape of the first season but it is only "greatest & most outrageous moments" I would love to have complete copies of these two seasons. If anyone can help me by letting me know where they are available I will be eternally grateful. You can e-mail me at Myga38@aol.com. Thank you. I didn't know where to put this so that it would be seen, so decided this might be the best spot!!!!!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 5:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Sorry Sammi, I can't help you. I watch, enjoy (or not) within a few days, and then delete immediately! :-)

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 9:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
You can get the Vanuatu season here:
CLICKIT

and the first season here:
CLICKIT

Biloxibelle
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12-21-2001

Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 5:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biloxibelle a private message Print Post    
Wonder who Cirie will target next. Will it be a physical threat, a mental (intelligence in the game, or a social threat. Which category would you put each person in?


Cirie has her work cut out for her if she targets her physical threats. Her only hope there is if Chet gets confused and wanders back into camp LOL.

Right now she is still playing a good game, at least what I can see. She is controlling the vote, but laying just low enough that the others haven't really realized how much she is controlling it. She plants the seed, then walks away and lets it grow.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, May 02, 2008 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
How did I miss that they had clips of the survivors after they left survivor?

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