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Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 5:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Bingo, Whoami! Love your post and totally agree. It's so rare to really see women come together like this that I, for one, am loving it. Too often they bend to the will of the men.

James and Eric knew the plan to oust Jason and did nothing! That is poor, poor, POOR gamemanship. Face it, the women are completely outplaying the men this season.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 6:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
The thing is that Cirie is NOT guaranteed F3. She's the 5th wheel in that all girls cog. Parvati has plans to go to F4 with Amanda and the 2 fans. Cirie must know, she's next after the boys.

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 6:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
Ozzie and James let me down last night. Ozzie flipping the bird during tribal council .. poor sportsmanship. It's just a game! And James calling out Parvati for making her own game plan. Like there's something wrong with that?

I'm in it for the women, especially Cirie! She will make it happen. Final 3 Cirie, Parvati & Amanda!

Girl Power! a

Skydiver6
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07-21-2006

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 6:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Skydiver6 a private message Print Post    
If Amanda and James had gone to Jason and told him what was happening, they could have gotten Erik and voted for one of the girls to go. All they needed was for Jason to use the idol.


That's exactly what I was thinking! I thought that might be a sneaky side plan they didn't show us but guess not.

I can see Amanda thinking it but not discussing it because she may be thinking that she is stronger than most of the other women so she should do well in comps after they men leave. She was the only woman to make it past the first round in last night's challenge.

Also she might be thinking that after the men are gone it could be fans vs favorites again and they have the numbers. I wouldn't trust Parvati though.

While I love James and would like him to do well I don't feel bad for him. He is showing he has NO game!! He's just letting the guys be picked off. He should be scheming and coming up with ways to switch it around! Instead he just turned belly up and gave up. <76> Doesn't he see the writing on the wall????

I was such an Ozzy fan but lost all respect for him these last few weeks.

Nerovh
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06-12-2005

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 7:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
I was under the impression that James was most peeved because Parv came back to him trying to butter him up again, and he saw it for exactly what it was: an attempt at damage control. She wanted to be the schemer, but she wanted to come back and be all cheesy and flirty with him and still have him in her pocket. You can't blame him for being po'd at her for admitting to his face that she was dumping him for the girls while she was STILL trying to be all coy and flirty. He showed in China that he didn't hold a grudge. I'm willing to cut him some slack since what we saw was still his immediate reaction to the switch up.

Ozzy, on the other hand, has quickly ruined my liking for him. The bitterness even after the game is over is a real turn-off.

Ilovethecoach
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08-01-2006

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 8:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ilovethecoach a private message Print Post    
I think I am done (DUN - for you BB fans! LOL!) with this season. I don't like those mean girls - and I can't root for Cerie after what she did to Yau Man (although the scheme against Ozzy was indeed brilliant). And - since Amanda didn't make a power play with James and Erik last night like she should/could have, I have no faith in that bunch either. So - see ya next season!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 8:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I actually loved the fact that James called out Parvati at TC. He was totally sending a message to Ozzy.

My opinion of Natalie was unformed until tonight. The bit about flossing her teeth. That girl, while making some smart plays, is just way too cocky. I don't like people who gloat and she takes gloating to the 'nth extreme. Not a fan of that (smacks of poor sportsmanship, actually).

Erik's not playing the idol was a dumb and dumber move. Really, were you saving it for a rainy day? Why would you trust someone who really wants to walk over you to get to the next level?

Parvati, btw, has deals with everyone (except now James). So she's playing the Amand/Cirie/faves-to-the end angle as well as with Natalie/Alexis/girlz-to-the-end angle. She's got all her bases covered. What's gonna determine which of the 3 get to F3 will be who wins IC and/or if anyone finds the third HII. If the faves win IC, then at some point it'll end up being fans who go. And while Parvati has an alliance with the two female fans, I think she'd stick to Amanda and Cirie first (her alliance with the fans was a CYA move).

BTW, I'm glad James saw right thru her. I missed most of the episode, but she needed to do damage control because of her Ozzy vote, and I'm glad he didn't buy it. Loved Ozzy's expression when James called her out!

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 8:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Why do I not give credit for Cirie on getting Yau out? I don't know. I think I would totally be rooting for her if she had not done that. Normally I think I would say that was smart game play. But like ilovethecaoch, I just can't root for Cirie cuz of what she did to Yau...

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 8:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
What a great show!! I loved that it happened the same way for Jason as it did Ozzy!!

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 8:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Costacat, I think you meant Jason when you wrote Erik, about the II.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
Good post Costa, I agree except I think Parv would go with Nat and Alexis b4 Amanda and Cirie for final 3 because there will be more Favs on the jury and she'd have a better chance of winning with them...

I think Amanda is the 5th wheel...as shown with the cake eating last night...

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
Cinnamongirl, but that was only from Natalie's point of view, not Parvati's or Cirie's; plus didn't Amanda already have the hot dog and French fries?

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 10:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Whoops. Yeah, I meant Jason, not Erik with the HII. (I keep getting those two mixed up!)

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 10:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
oh I know Merrysea but I just see it as forshadowing.... I wish it had been Parv that won that cake and had to pick 3...wonder who she would have left out...

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 10:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I was also thinking that Amanda could have switched things up last night. They knew that the girls were going to split their votes in case Jason did play the idol.

So if Amanda, Erik, and James had gone to Jason and clued him in on what was going on, the four of them could have picked off anyone they wanted. Jason would play the idol and the second place person goes. Those four could have pulled it off. If they could have persuaded him that he was being played without him running to Natalie and spilling the beans.

I am not sure if none of them thought about it. I seriously doubt if Erik did, he just seems to be hanging out with no plan except to win the challenges. And Jason thought he was sitting pretty with Natalie.

Surely if James had thought of it, he would have proposed it to Amanda. The girls had done part of their planning right in front of him, but he did not dare tell Jason, because if Jason used the idol, he would be the one gone.

I kind of thing Amanda did think about it because she was kind of evasive when James aske what they could do. but she probably decided to stay with the women because she may have felt she has a better chance with the Cirei and Parvati than with the three guys, none of whom show much ability to stratagize. In one scene, it showed her, Cirie, and Parvati vowing to go to the end together. So she made the decision to trust them.

What I loved about James outing Parvati was the look on Ozzy's face when he realized who it was that backstabbed him, and the look on Cirie's face when she realized she was not getting the blame.

I find I do not care much for Natalie, but if the rest don't watch out, she will walk right through all of them right to the end.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I think even if just the three guys had gone together, they would have been better off. Three votes for Parvati would have gotten her out. The women were intent on splitting their votes, and even if they hadn't three votes would have been enough to evict someone else if Jason played his idol.

I think the fellas were kind of clueless to not go that route, since they all clearly know (except Jason, but they could have sold him) that the ladies have an alliance.

So, that's the thing that disappointed me, that they are just sort of rolling over and playing dead.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 11:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I think the hard thing about pulling together an anti-girl alliance with the boys (plus Amanda maybe) is that the girls had stated that James was their backup plan. I think that Jason wouldn't have hopped on the anti-girl bandwagon, because his mentality would have been "anybody but me". He's just a follower, and not a playmaker, especially when his time on that island is very borrowed. I just see Jason being approached with that option, and going, "oh, they have a backup person? well, I'll vote for whoever isn't ME, that still keeps the favor of everyone left"

James probably also sensed that (OK, I don't think James is great at sensing much - but for the sake of argument), and rather than telling Jason to play the idol, that would put James at immediate risk, because Jason acts sort of sheepish in his votes, just voting whoever everyone ELSE wants out, not rocking the boat. James may have felt it was more likely that he let Jason go, and try for future immunity and other plays down the road.

Costa, I think you are VERY right about how the game plays out, which limits whether they can go by their plans. Whoever wins the HII and the regular II is key to changing plans. Parvati has set herself up nicely, and hopefully Cirie and Amanda will see that.



I would like to see a Cirie, Amanda, James or Erik F3, with a Cirie win, only because girl is MAKING PLAYS.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 11:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I thought the biggest blunder was going to be that James voted for Parv instead of Jason causing James to go home. It would have been funny but I am glad it didnt happen cuz James is the most awesome player!

Mysti
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09-28-2005

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 3:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mysti a private message Print Post    
How can Jason be selected as a FAN during this season and:

A: Think a stick with a face is the HI?

B: Believe that Natalie was telling him the truth?

He should have studied the game more.....

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 4:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Mysti, those were my thoughts too. I think one of the first lessons you learn watching and being a fan of Survivor is not to trust people and James' season taught us the importance of using your HII especially when people know you have it and are praising you and telling you how safe you are.

I didn't feel bad when Ozzy or James were booted since I think the out witt portion of the game is crucial and .

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 7:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
I would have loved it if James and Amanda would have went to Eric and Jason and worked together to vote out NATALIE. OMG, that would have been the GREATEST blindside.

I think Natalie must be working on the title of most hated woman survivor. I think she just might surpass...was her name Jeri? After lastnight I just want Natalie GONE!

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 11:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
I got such a kick out of the Ponderosa video for this episode. Eliza says that out of the three of them, she is the only one who played the idol, and hers was fake! Jason admitted that he had his idol with him and almost played it, but didn't.

Roppiepie
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05-06-2004

Friday, April 25, 2008 - 11:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roppiepie a private message Print Post    
<76> IMO <Nat> is playing hard and fast. This girl is BRINGING it !!!! Doesn't anyone remember Brian Hedik??? His confessionals were venom dripped, but around camp he kept those thoughts to himself. He won his season with practically no one challenging him. GO NATALIE!!!

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 12:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I loved Brian. Total chameleon, and I like that kind of player.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 6:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
yeah I was a fan of Brian's too...that's if I'm remembering the right person. Was he the one who was an adult film actor. He seemed to be untouchable in his season.

I never hear anything about him like I do with a lot of the other ex survivors.