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Naja
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06-28-2003

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 6:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
I really like Cirie but she scared the crap out of me last night. At one point it almost felt like we were being set up to see another Christy situation (the hard of hearing girl in season 6 who felt she had all the power since she was the swing vote, but they voted her out instead). I was so relieved when tribal council finally finished and she was still there.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 7:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
They all should have just voted out Cirie.

I would have...I'd been like, "Ok if she can't make up her mind...then bye, bye!"

Being in a position of power like that went to her head.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 7:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I agree with Nick, they all shoulda booted Cirie.

WHY in the world did Eliza and Amy not vote Parvati??? It would have been a tie, but at least it would have given Yau a chance?? Oh wait, I guess it still woulda been 5 vs 4... Well why did Eliza vote Parvati?

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 8:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I think Cirie was giving Yau Man respect. She felt that his mental game was very good and if he went to Exile Island he might find the HII. She also knew that if he hung around that Jonathan was going to hang tight with him and boot her at the earliest opportunity.

I think she feels more comfortable with Parvati and Amanda in a potential girls alliance than with the other four. She might be deceiving herself but you gotta go with your gut.

And then Jonathan's verbal beating probably sealed the deal. And who in the WORLD would trust anything Jonathan would say?

Nerovh
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06-11-2005

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 8:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
"And then Jonathan's verbal beating probably sealed the deal. And who in the WORLD would trust anything Jonathan would say?"

Exactly. Why in the world does Jonathan, of all people, think he has any right to berate anyone for betraying an "alliance"? Everybody saw how he played last time, only an imbecile would trust him. While I did get a little annoyed at Cirie last night, I was glad somebody stood up to Jonathan. His bullying guaranteed that Cirie wouldn't do what his group wanted.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 9:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
The problem with Cirie's vote is that Ozzy was right, Yauman is VERY good at challenges. It won't mean a hill of beans that she got rid of her competition if they go into merge way down in numbers. It was too early to start voting off the good competitors. JMO.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 9:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
I agree. I wanted Cirie to vote Parvati out but totally understood her thinking...and Jonathon really didn't help matters at all....I think he played a big hand in getting Yau booted. and I really like Jonathon too...bad move

I think Eliza voted for Yau cuz she knew it was as good as done anyways, so she was letting the couples alliance feel she was "with" them

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
I understand Ozzy's point, but I also understand Cirie's point. Yau Man is a threat to take it all and those are the type you want out when you have the opportunity. He's already had the hidden immunity idol once, and she's seen his season and knows that as soon as he volunteers to go to Exile Island, he'll probably find the other one. She didn't want to take that chance. She didn't force anyone to go along with her and she's not there to play for anyone else's favorite. She's not stupid and I think she weighed her decision and came up with what she thought was best for HER.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 10:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I don't think Jonathan was bullying. I think he was just frustrated. I think Cirie was frustrated too.

I am so disappointed that Yau is gone. I see Cirie's point. But I agree more with Ozzy. Not only is Yau very good in the challenges, he is also very smart too. While it is risky to them if Yau makes the merge, I think it was a risk worth taking. Yau would probably be loyal to the favs after the merge and with a numbers game at that point, I'd still want Yau on my side at that point even if it were to come to a F3 with myself and Yau. You have to actually get closer to the end of the game before you start worrying about F3. It was too early to vote him off.

I am surprised that the two couples voted exactly how Cirie wanted.

I also thought for a moment that they may vote Cirie off.

I also caught the "chariot ride" that Cirie had ... given by Amanda and Parvati! That was funny!

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 10:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I completely understand Cire's reason for voting out Yau Man. And I agree that Jonathon's bullying was the thing that pushed her over the edge. It would have been better if one of the other's had tried to talk to her in a calm way.

She has already made the point to the girls that they cannot beat Ozzy or James in the final three. She does know her survivor. She knew that Ozzy, James, and Yau Man were three of the all time most popular players. She would have no reason to believe that they are not going to be this time also.

And she also knows Jonathon's word is not worth much.

I will defend Jonathon in one respect however. I think sometimes we forget that at the time he switched tribes, he was the next one tagged to go in his alliance.

He knew it and the others did not make much effort to hide it. He felt he had no choice. And then the girl (can't remember her name) went with him. I always wondered why he took so much flack, but she didn't.

Cirie always is good for a memorable quote. I laughed when she said "If I trust you then I will go all the way with you, but if I don't trust you, you can't believe a thing I say."

I was thinking "Huh? Girl, don't you think the others feel the same way about you?"

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 12:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I can't wait to see Cirie fall from grace. I'm glad Ozzy is thinking clearly. Cirie should have been voted out, as she is dead weight; almost as bad as Sherea from last season, but at least Sherea won challenges for her team. I liked Cirie so much more in her original season; now I think she needs to just get over herself.

I've never disliked Jonathan. I agree that he HAD to move to the other tribe in his season, or he'd be out.

As for Eliza voting for Yauman, I think it totally had to do with it being inevitable, and that she wanted to stay in good with the young crew, so at least maybe she is Pagonged LAST of the other side, and then she has a chance to make it to the merge and start fresh.

I love that Amy just does what she wants. Why did she vote Cirie? I love it. I really am hoping I can see footage of her telling off Kathy. LOL

Chy
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07-19-2003

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
MHO about why Eliza wrote Yau's name down:
It appears there was no secret in that tribe. Eliza knew as well as any one else on the camp ground that she was the other choice of the Couples alliance. Penner told the Non-couples to all vote for Parv. His theory was that, since there could be split in votes,(He didn't see the whole S: China, he didn't know how Amanda always gets her thinking acrossed. ) the best possibility would be 4-3-2 Parv out. Eliza is good at Math & Logic also. She didn't want a 4-4-1 split with equal votes for Parv & herself. I'm not sure if Eliza & Ami coordinate their votes. But writing down Yau-Man's name was her way to make sure that the spliting votes do not give any one else ideas to vote her out along with the Couples if they wasn't doing that in the first round of votes already ...

Also, for the record, Yau-Man is the first and only of these more than 100 "survivors" ever to get a fire going w/o help. The girl who got fire in his season was caoched by YM the whole way.

I still rather watch Yau-Man in the game. But I do see cirie's point. It's just not a good one. She could have listened to Oz's reason, tell them she agrees to vote with them and let Penner know that was the only way to save Yau. After Eliza's gone, she would still be on the majority side but able to string Penner's group along and find other oppotunities to oust Yau-Man. Meanwhile, with YM there, they might win more challenges, he might find more food, (He was born & raised in that part of the world) ...
She could use her "power" and never allow YM to take a turn on EI. If the Fans are fans, they ought to be smart enough not to let YM near the EI either.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 12:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Wasn't the girl that switched with Jonathan someone who had already been moved from one tribe to the other? I know she definitely had a relationship with one of the guys in that tribe.

And I don't remember exactly why, but Jonathan had earned the fact that he was going to get eliminated by his manipulating and tactics. He had royally annoyed all of his tribe members off prior to him switching tribes.

I'm not crazy about Cirie either, although she seems to be working harder this season than in her original one.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 2:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Yes Roxip, CANDACE switched first because she wanted to be with ADAM (that hunk), and then Jonathan followed her, and she was annoyed.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 2:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Roxip, he was very annoying and that was why they wanted him gone. The point though was not whether he deserved to go. No one wants to go even if they deserve it and he was fighting to stay just all of them do. And when he was given the opportunity to jump ship, he took it. I can't blame him for that, evem though I did not care much for him.

But Man, he does have georgeous eyes, doesn't he?

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 2:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
You're right Eeyoreslament, I had forgotten that. I still can't figure out why he took so much more flack for it than she did, though.

Nerovh
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06-11-2005

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 2:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
I think Jonathan got and still gets more flack because he is so vocal in his criticism of other players for doing the same thing he does: making the moves that they think are best for themselves. It's not the manipulation/game-playing that bothers me, it's the hypocrisy of being angry at others for playing their game while you are playing yours.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 4:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Don't I remember ONE other Survivor - an Asian girl as I recall - making fire with the lens from her glasses?

Bob2112
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06-12-2002

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 6:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bob2112 a private message Print Post    
In the first survivor, fire was started using BB's glasses. Rumor was that the lenses were actually magnifying lenses that he snuck in as reading glasses.

In Africa, one team took apart a telescope and used the lens to start a fire. I'm thinking Kim P. found it and one of the guys started the fire.

In Fiji, Michelle used Yau-Man's glasses to start a fire.

So, Yau-man would be at least the 4th person to start a fire using a lens.


Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, February 22, 2008 - 6:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I don't really understand why Cirie had such a jones for Yao-Man to go. She said "you aligned with a liar" and so he had to go. Um, so did Eliza, yes? And actually, why not get rid of the liar himself?

Funny, but I did NOT like Cirie at all last night. I dunno if the power went to head or what, but all I heard from her was pushing and pushing and pushing to vote out Yao-Man. At that point, she wasn't even the swing vote, she was instigating the vote. I didn't like that side of her I saw.

And I totally didn't enjoy watching her and Jonathan go at it during TC.

At this point, interestingly, none of the Faves are faves of mine! Tney can all go for all I care!

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 6:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
ITA Costacat about Cirie. I did not like what I saw Thursday night.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 10:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I think the liar Cirie was talking about was Jonathan not Yau. I think she only made the liar comment to get at Jonathan because she was fed up with Jonathan. I think Cirie was really afraid that Yau would find the HII if he were to go to exile and then they'd never be able to vote him out and he'd be in the F4 and win. She knows he's really good at staying in the game. He was just too much of a threat for her to make it to the end...from her point of view. IMO. I also think she really thinks she stands a better chance with Amanda and Parvati. I like Jonathan. But I wouldn't trust him. She doesn't trust him. I think for now that Cirie feels more secure with Amanda and Parvati.

I still like Cirie. I wish she'd have aligned herself with Yau.

Biginjapan
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07-23-2005

Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 3:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biginjapan a private message Print Post    
This favs crowd is playing some mad strategy and it is great to see. These are much better strategists than the All Stars players.

I love Yau but I see and agree with Cirie.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
I enjoy the fact that the favs don't even TRY to hide their alliance talks - and I got a good chuckle out of Jonathon walking up to split up one such chat. :-)

Sassynegal
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01-21-2005

Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 9:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sassynegal a private message Print Post    
I don't understand Cirie's think for Yau either. Once again she picked the alliance she won't be able to survive in. Does she really think the girls will be ABLE to ditch the guys and take her to final 3????

I hope she goes soon - I didn't like her before and don't like her now!