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Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Friday, October 19, 2007 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
I thought it was a dumb move to throw the comp. They don't know when or if they will merge, and they are likely to continue losing if they get rid of the strong players. I don't see the three of them winning against any of the three the other tribe will put up against them. Frosti and Sherea aren't going to throw a challenge - their necks would be on the block! I think Amanda, Jean-Robert, Denise and Todd are all equal to or stronger than Eric, Jamie and Peih-Gee. And if James gets a chance to tell the rest how Jamie was acting at tribal council, she's toast!

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, October 19, 2007 - 9:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Their rudeness was perhaps the most stupid thing of all, especially Jamie. I think that P.G. was actually a little embarrassed by her openly laughing. It made both of them look bad.

Nerovh
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06-12-2005

Friday, October 19, 2007 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
I like Aaron and James and I didn't want either of them to go, but I wouldn't have such a problem with what the girls did if it hadn't been for their atitudes. I might have at least had some admiration for them IF the plan eventually worked in their favor. Now I just can't stand them because of the way they acted. It's just STUPID to be so blatently arrogant and snotty, especially to a player like James. If he somehow gets to stay, they will be high on his hit-list, and if he goes he's going to turn everyone that he can against them. I hope James throws the next reward challenge and laughs in those girls' faces about it.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Friday, October 19, 2007 - 11:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
Yeah, I agree Nerovh.. I actually think PG had a good plan and they could have executed it without anyone knowing, except they let it be obvious, especially Jamie...had they even pretended to try and had she not laughed about it at council...it could have worked out very well for them down the line. (I do think PG was surprised with Jamies blatant who-cares-that-we-threw-the-challenge attitude)
We all get pissed off when a pagonging happens and these guys were actively thinking ahead so that wouldn't happen to them...I thought it was smart.
But I also think its crap for the two on each tribe that are new...of course they'd be the first to go..just doesn't seem fair to me but...whatever

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, October 19, 2007 - 11:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I would love to see multiple swaps, or three teams. But I agree Mocha, the single swap which leads to Pagonging is played out.

Karen
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09-07-2004

Friday, October 19, 2007 - 11:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karen a private message Print Post    
I've been waiting I don't know how many seasons to see them put BOTH tribes in the same camp, for the whole season. When tribal council comes, the winning tribe votes someone out of the losing tribe. Alliances would be all over the board this way, and the team strength would be dependent on what the other tribe was thinking. It'd really throw the game on its head.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, October 19, 2007 - 1:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Love your idea, Karen, except the voting out the other team. That would be easy, you just vote out the strongest person. I think the main dynamic of Survivor is to have to vote out your own. But I would love to see them in the same camp. I loved it the year they were put into the same camp a couple of episodes before the actual merge.

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Friday, October 19, 2007 - 2:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
I like the Ladytex scanario outlined early this morning.

I actually thought the strategy of throwing the comp was a good one, but Jaime carried it out in very poor taste and sportsmanship.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, October 19, 2007 - 6:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
The stategy was alright, but would have been better if they had come up with it before they sent Frosti and Sherea away.. if they had gone over knowing about the plan to get rid of the two strongest it just might have worked down the line.

But I'm like Jeff Probst, just hard to stomach the blatent throwing of a competition like that, especially when they were in such a clear lead and could have won, for once..

And then the attitudes, just terrible.

I am glad James stays another week and hope he pulls off getting Hii. Of course unfortunately Jaime would still have her love interest on her side so it wouldn't be her to go..

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Friday, October 19, 2007 - 7:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
I liked what they did on Pirate Master. New teams for each competition. If you are going to swap out tribes, they should do it more often, earier in the game. At this late date, tribal alliances are so strong that it's a huge disadvantage to the new members. Sucked for Aaron & James.

On the other hand, *brilliant* move by PG. She's got the brains (like Todd). Jaime's obvious smirking and laughing about it was the part that made me squirm over the whole thing. It would have been better played if they were not so obvious about it during the competition, and instead of laughing about it at Tribal, to calmly explain the strategy.


Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, October 19, 2007 - 7:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
But PG should have seen that Jaime and Eric will stick together and probably Frosti and Sherea (even if they don't ally with the other tribe) and she'll be the odd one out first..

Makays
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07-12-2001

Friday, October 19, 2007 - 9:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Makays a private message Print Post    
With me being a competetive person it turned my stomach to watch the way those two girls acted. I so put myself in James' shoes. I can understand why he was so frustrated. The sad part is that he is without a doubt one of the best players this year and I can see him going next week.
I really do hate that they messed with the teams the way they did. I understand it was prob their way of trying to stop the elimination of the one team. But it backfired and to top it off it left a bad taste in a lot of viewers' craw.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, October 19, 2007 - 9:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I respect the idea behind the move they made, but I don't think it was wise in the long run. I don't think merges happen at ten, and it's not like they were smart enough to foresee two of their OWN players being taken away, so it's not like they talking with Frosti and Sherea about KEEPING the original tribal alliances. On the other hand, the larger tribe DID know a switch was coming, and they DID have it all planned out to Pagong the two new members.

I think it is going to SUCK BIG TIME for the three, once they are playing in 3 on 7 challenges. I am just crossing my fingers James find the HII next episode, and they are forced to get rid of PG. Or, the next immunity challenge is one where James can pull it for the whole team, like those challenges where they are tied together and have to play "chase the other team around two pylons" while strapping weights on their backs, and as people give up, the weights get distributed to the remaining members (Does anyone remember that challenge?).

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 2:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
I had to rewind and watch again to believe how stupid the yellow tribe was to believe they were getting an additional two tribe members without giving up any of theirs. That was when I caught that it was Eric's idea to pick Aaron and then vote him off if they lose. The girls agreed and then took it from there. So all of you who still think Eric is so nice go back and watch it again.

Aaron was totally screwed by Survivor and probably James will be too. It's too bad because neither of them deserved it.

At least Frosti was wearing his penguin shirt. Yeah, Frosti!

Vsmart
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02-10-2003

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 6:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vsmart a private message Print Post    
If the losing team always throws out the new member, Amber would not have won. Also the new member would never throw a challenge.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 8:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
love Ladyt's idea!!! I was LOL when James said Denise was his kind of woman

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 12:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Completely off topic:

I can't stand when girls are named "Jaime" because in Spanish it means "James". Has always seemed weird to me that someone would name their daughter James.

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
If the losing team always throws out the new member, Amber would not have won.

That was Rob using his pre-game friendship with Lex in order to keep Amber safe. Brilliant use of psychology by Rob. Ended up biting Lex in the butt. Messed up a friendship. But that is why that happened.


Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 2:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Mind you Rehtse, it also means "I love" in French.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 3:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Only as "j'aime" (je + aime). ;)

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 4:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
does Jamie bother ya too or just the spelling that sounds like Hyme

Nerovh
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06-12-2005

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 5:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
Ummm, I am a girl and my name is Jamie. It was supposed to be spelled Jaime, but the nurse got it wrong on the birth certificate. I was named after my grandfather, James, who was Irish. We loved him dearly and I am proud to have any form of his name.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 6:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
OT first: My daughter is named after her great grandpa. She felt totally different when I carried her. We were convinced she was going to be a boy. Her name is Michele. :-)
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I'm in the camp who doesn't mind the plan to boot "others" first. But they could have informed Erik so he could throw it subtle. Or just let the chips fall. If Frostie & Sherea could make a win, boot the "others". If they have to win, they win!
If these three feel that there's no other way but throwing IC, then at least don't act non-chalant enough for Jeff to catch on right the way; Don't try to make your team a game piece short by pushing one over; Or, don't laugh silly all the way!!

BTW, Todd's plan worked. He and Amanda were the ones who set Aaron up as the leader. They got rid of a big threat w/o even near the bloodshed!

Another thought here: Let's hope it's not too late for James to appreciate his original tribe! Remember how James complained about his mates? He's a hard worker I agree, but he also has too many put-down words for FL people. The only mate he liked was Denise! Every body else was lazy or talk too much. He didn't even think the change of tribe was going to effect him since he "had no ties" with anyone! <<< That is as stoopid as the original ZH thinking they were just "given as gifts from heaven" to gain two new members(Strongest amongst all the castaways yet! ROFDL!!!). Really not ways to "outplay" or "outwit".

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 6:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I think the plan itself is fine, although the laughing and giggling just tempts your "Survivor fate", and could put a target on you later on. You never know what twist is coming next, and it might NOT be in your favor this time, and there may not be a witty plan to save yourself. It's about being subtle and devious with your plans to get rid of others, not cocky and arrogant. I'd be aiming for those with that bravado, as soon as I had a chance.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 6:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
Actually James was right in saying he had no ties to anyone. He was on the short list of ppl to evict in FL. They were definitely gonna get rid of him before the merge. Not stoopid thinking at all ...