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Trueheart
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09-12-2006

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 1:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trueheart a private message Print Post    
I was so relieved when James did NOT use the Hii!! I wanted him gone the first time Todd thought to blindside him.

I'm glad he's out though, he had too much power with both the idols and too little understanding of others' feelings.

I agree. It just never sat well with me that he didn't even think to offer one of the hiis back to Todd. It seemed as though it didn't occur to him that Todd just might want one back. Um...hello??? It's not personal......I don't dislike James, I just want Todd to win and James was a pretty big threat to Todd when he was packin' 2 Hiis. James definitely had too much power. I really just don't like the immunity idols. I didn't like it when Yul got to the end because he had one. I just wish that they would cut that whole aspect out of the game.

I have to cut Todd, Courtney and PG a little slack for looking a little happy. They took a pretty big gamble (especially Todd) and they must have been pretty relieved and felt pretty good when it worked.

I bet Todd's heart was racing!!! He really took a chance! Todd surprised me tonight by literally putting his butt on the line. I would never have thought that he would risk it. He's a sharp player but he is always playing for #1; himself. No matter what alliances he is apart of. So for him to know that what they are doing helps everyone out.......but risks only his neck.....I was just impressed by his temerity.

Now that's the kind of player I like!! See now, Eric could get to the end, but what has he done?? His scenario is that he was never "the biggest fish". I hate to see people make it to the end like that.

As far as I can tell Todd has been using his brains the whole game. He strategizes and acts on his plans. And I grudgingly admit that this may be true of Amanda as well. I like aggressively strategic players. They are NOT content to just let the game happen and see where they end up.

Todd has speculated and pursued the best course of action at each step of the game. And while Amanda has helped (esp. in this last epi.) I believe it has been Todd who is the most enterprising of all the players.

Willsfan
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09-04-2000

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 2:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Willsfan a private message Print Post    
Yes, ITA James did give a very nice exit speech.
After James got both HII's he seemed to get too sure of himself and at times a little snarky. That made me want them to try to get James out while they could. Nothing against James I just hated the idea of one person having both idols.

"I bet Todd's heart was racing!!! He really took a chance!"
I know! Todd & Amanda really stepped up their game play this week.

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 7:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
I'm SO glad James is gone. And ITA with others about his exit speech. Now I want Todd gone lol

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 7:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Todd or Amanda are my favs now. Players who are actually playing. I like Denise. Actually I like all remaining people except maybe Courtney. But none are really doing anything except Todd and then Amanda.

Marameko
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07-15-2002

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 9:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marameko a private message Print Post    
I could just wring James neck for not using that idol. He has "Dummy" written on his forehead.
Todd goes next week I hope.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 9:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
I liked James and was sorry to see him go but he was just too trusting for this group. Two immunity idols and he didn't use one. Too bad.

Now, lets see Denise and Amanda get rid of Todd. Since Todd was the nitwit (can I say that?) that gave James the two idols.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 9:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Is Eric the first "floater" male to get this far? Usually the under the radar players are female.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 9:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I wonder if Eric would be playing a very different game if the numbers weren't against him.

I am disappointed that James left with both of those idol. I think he should have given one to Todd long ago. Part of the game tho...

I really like how James is not bitter about being voted out. He has such a good grasp that this is a game and not personal. He's right on about "rolling the dice". It's nice to see someone on the jury who will not vote out of revenge or some such thing.

Landileigh
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07-29-2002

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 9:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landileigh a private message Print Post    
todd reminds me of rob cesternino. and i hope he wins this whole thing!

Karen
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09-07-2004

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 11:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karen a private message Print Post    
I'm sitting on the "Todd for a Win" couch with my cyber-ma.

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
I catch this show on and off so I don't really know the full story of the Idols.

Can anyone tell my why James didn't use the idols? And how is one of the supposed to be Todd's?

Panda
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07-15-2005

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 12:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
Say James left the idols at camp, can one of them go snatch it up now or does it just leave with him?

I say the gamble was a great one, if James had used the HII, and the next person, say either Todd or PG left, James now knows that they are out to get him! Not that it would really change anything...lol

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 12:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
James showed them when he gave his speech at the end so he had them with him.

It would have been interesting if he left them back in camp.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 12:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
It kind of tickles me that he kept them. Yes, perhaps he should have offered one of them to Todd at some point, but given the subsequent events probably not...now they are nothing more than a great souveneir (sorry, never sure how to spell that) since he "rolled the dice one time too many."

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 12:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
James was so confident in his alliance. Too confident. Big ego. Blindsided.
Excellent game play. Totally "Outwit".
Loved it!
Called it (almost) a few weeks ago (Nov 12th) in a post on Armchair Survivor: http://survivor.tubecasts.com/blog/index.php/archives/103#comments



Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 12:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Will Jeff have more idols be put in play? That's been done in prior shows....yes/no?

Terolyn
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05-06-2004

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 1:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Terolyn a private message Print Post    
Can anyone tell my why James didn't use the idols? And how is one of the supposed to be Todd's?

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
James didn't use the idols because he felt confident he was at no risk of being sent home. He thought his group were following the plan to get rid of PG.

Todd gave James one idol and told him where to find the other. James didn't seem to realise not returning one of them might affect him negatively in the game.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
PG went up a notch with me because she chose
Denise to go on the reward. Of course I realize she chose her because she thinks Denise is the most vunerable to being turned. But she could have chosen Amanda or Courtney as the most fun, or James in an attempt to mend fences, or even Todd to seperate him from the others for awhile.

But whatever her reaon, I was so happy for Denise. She just enjoyed it so much. And she has not gotten to do much, so this is at least a great memory for her. And I had to smile at Eric's reaction to her demonstration of her martial arts skills.

James is a funny blend of astuteness and total cluelessness. He recognized the stratetic aspect of the game at once. Choose an alliance. Do everything to stay together until you get everyone else out.

His problem was he was looking at the alliance from a position of strength and did not take into consideration the way those at the "bottom" rung of the alliance might look at it. Do you want to help the alliance pick all the opposition off until they are all gone and then you are the next in sight?

He just seemed to decide what the best plan of action was and just could not concieve that anyone would not go along with it.

I would have been interested though to see where his real loyalty lay. Who would he have taken to the final 2 if he had the choice? Guess we will never know because I doubt if he knew.

And his exit speech was classy. He was so exasperated with his alliance because they did not stay true to the plan and got tempted by the apple. Maybe he should have taken a bite of that apple.

I got annoyed with Amanda a couple of episodes ago when she wanted to keep Eric because she "really liked him and he was cute." But she redeemed herself last night. Her plan was brilliant. She realizes there are just so many tribal councils left and if they were to get rid of James with his idols and his strength, it was time to do so. Personally,

I just wonder who is going to be targeted next week. NO ONE is safe, but Denise. No one sees her as a threat physically or stratgically. And that just might be a big mistake.

Karen
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09-07-2004

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 1:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karen a private message Print Post    
I don't think James took the idols with him, like took them home. Haven't the rules in past seasons been that if the Idol is found but not played, it'll be rehidden?

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 2:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I don't think this has ever hapepned before so I don't think it has been an issue.

Todd and Amanda didn't vote out James because he had both immunity idols (in the sense that Todd would have been more loyal to him if he had returned one of the idols). Todd and Amanda voted out James because they realized that he was (1) stronger and more able to win immunity than they were, and (2) because of the way he had been around camp -- being their provider, taking care of the camp, etc., along with his strength and his loyalty -- likely to be the one in the finals who would get all the votes. I think they believe that more people are ticked off at them and honestly what have they contributed (except strategy/brainpower wise)? Have either of them won a competition on their own merit? Neither of them (well, except for Courtney) has won individual immunity. I think they were fearful of his presence in competitions and his presence with the jury.

I don't think it would have mattered if he gave the idol back to Todd at all.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I think that had a lot to do with it, but because James had the two idols it was really now or never. If there was any chance of him feeling threatened he'd have used the idols and they couldn't evict him, and there was always a chance that he'd win individual immunity. His having the two idols prompted the timing. But mostly I agree, Roxip.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 2:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
His having the idols were definitely a big part of it. they knew if they let him stay one more week, he had a free shot to the final three. And they knew they could not beat him in final 2. I think Todd wants to be with Amanda in final 2, Amanda does NOT want to be with Todd.

And pretty soon it is going to dawn on all of them tht the best person to take with them is PG because it is unlikely she would win. Too many people dislike her.



Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 3:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
I think the idols had something to do with them getting James out now, but nothing I've seen indicated Todd was "pissed" at James for not giving him one of them back.

It was a really good show and even though I knew what was going to happen I still kept hoping he would pull one of those idols out.lol...I'm pulling Todd to win the whole thing now. James was my fav, but with him gone Todd has moved up in that category.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, November 30, 2007 - 6:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I don't think it would be wise for anyone but Eric to take PG to the end - she's worked too hard to stay and I think people will respect that. Also she will have some of her old tribe members on the jury. With the people left I'm not sure anyone is a definite person who wouldn't win a jury vote. I think the least "deserving" (I'm putting that in quotes because it's the way people say it in the show) is Eric but he's also worked quite hard to be where he is. It's an interesting year because of the lack of floaters.