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Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 8:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
If MB gives it to charity "in Denise's name", then it would not be taxable to Denise. It would be a tax-deduction for MB subject to income level limitations. She never had the money, so it's not income to her.

If MB "gives the money to Denise" and she, subsequently, donates the $50k to charity, the $50k is taxable to Denise. She can take a charitable deduction limited based on her income levels. She probably would not be able to take the full amount in the same year that the donation occurred, but she could carryforward the deduction to subsequent tax years until it is gone.

So, the moral here is have MB donate the money direct to the charity. He could affort the consequences.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 9:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
I would think Denise will be able to find another day job on her own, and $50,000 would give her more breathing room to do that. Nevertheless, she wisely decided to pass on accepting it so hopefully she'll be able to move on from this. I may be wrong, but in the finale I don't think she actually said that she came home to find she was unemployed or demoted. It was Jeff who gave that impression. Denise just said she tried to get her lunch lady job back but couldn't, then went on to list the reasons she's unhappy about that.

I suspect Probst just didn't get his facts straight before he teased an amazing story regarding Denise, if those were the words he used. I got the feeling he really thought her job had been given away in her absence.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 10:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Denise got $80,000 from her fourth place finish on the show. How much breathing room does she need to find a day job?

Incidentally she was one of my favs until she played the pity card working on Amber for her vote. And then the misrepresentation of her work situation really turned me off -

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, December 21, 2007 - 9:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I didn't much like the self pity card either, but we should remember that at that point she knew she was done forshe was pretty desperate, and she was using anything and everything she could to stay in the game. I would think that would fall under the heading of playing the game. It was a little late in her case, but at least she was trying.

Of course it did not work, and of course we could watch on TV and know it was not going to work because we had seen what everyone else was saying. But Denise was not privy to that information and she was using whatever she had left.

And was it any worse than Amanda using her "puppy dog eyes" as one person on the jury called it, to try to downplay her lying and betraying, rather than taking ownership and responsibility for her actions like Todd did?

And if the misrepresentation of her work situation was more a miscommunication than a deliberate attempt to mislead, which it is more and more appearing to be, then I can forgive her for that.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Friday, December 21, 2007 - 4:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
I have commented previously on my dislike of Amanda's "doe eyes," and how glad I was that PG called her out on them!

AS I said, I liked Denise a lot until the end. Pressure doesn't always bring out the best in folks -

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Friday, December 21, 2007 - 4:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I still like Denise. She apologized for being dishonest and if she was being dishonest because others misunderstood her, well she didn't say that was the case and that makes me respect her.

There at the end she did seem to try to guilt Amanda into keeping her over Todd, when she really should have been pointing out that Todd has the best chance of beating her(Amanda). Maybe that angle would have got her to 2nd or 3rd place.

Boberg
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10-04-2002

Friday, December 21, 2007 - 6:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Boberg a private message Print Post    
I get you Chy and I thought the same thing at the time. It is sorta like the proverb. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Friday, December 21, 2007 - 8:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
That's why Denise's actions were fishy.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, December 21, 2007 - 9:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    


Weinermr
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08-18-2001

Friday, December 21, 2007 - 9:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Weinermr a private message Print Post    
But seriously, I prefer to believe that Denise didn't intend to deceive anyone, that her story was told out of context, and people assumed things that weren't true.

But I didn't like it when she played the self-pity card either. She lost my support at that point.

When they were down to the last three I was initially hoping Amanda would win, but by the end, I had been won over by Todd's frankness (not Frank's toddness). I felt that Todd (in the game) was being dishonest honestly, but that Amanda was deceiving herself as to her motives and the effect her deceptions had on others.

I really enjoyed this Survivor more than the last several.

Fan3
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07-07-2005

Friday, December 21, 2007 - 9:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Fan3 a private message Print Post    
I hate that Todd won....

Sparkle
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08-24-2007

Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 8:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sparkle a private message Print Post    
I'm happy Todd won though I wasn't a big fan of any of the China Survivor group.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 8:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I have no problem with Todd winning. I think he played the best game from the get go.

I agree that Denise played the wrong card trying to get Amanda to keep hers. She should have been emphasising how much of a threat Todd would be.

The problem with that is that I don't think any of them really thought Todd would win. I think they all believed that the jury would not vote for him because he ticked so many people off.

Denise seemed to believe that if she made it to final 3, she would win. And Amanda seemed to think that also. Amanda and Todd both wanted to take Courtney because she had such an unpleasant personality and had done so little that they believed no one would vote for her.

All of them miscalculated. I don't believe that Denise would have won against any of them. I think maybe even Courtney would have beaten her. I think they all liked Denise, but they did not respect how she played the game. And Amanda had a much better shot against her than she did against Todd.

Biginjapan
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07-23-2005

Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biginjapan a private message Print Post    
If Denise was in the final three instead of Todd. Then Courtney would have won.