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Chy
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07-19-2003

Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    


If walls could tell stories...

Chy
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07-19-2003

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More stories on windows...

Chy
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07-19-2003

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In case you're wondering, yes, people still live there!

Nerovh
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06-11-2005

Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 8:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
JR did himself in with his "Godfather" routine, I think. And James was aware of Denise's conversation with the other tribe and her indecision as to who to vote with. I know it didn't show it, but Courtney probably told the others that Denise was considering voting with the other tribe.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 9:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
Thanks for those great pix, Chy.

Makes sense, Nerovh.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 10:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I am so glad JR's gone. I don't get him, presumably he must be quite bright to do so well on the poker circuit, but why one earth did he think that was the HII after what happened last week? And then the "you know I'm the only person who could work that out" routine with James?!?! Weird, just weird that he thinks so highly of himself.

Chy, have those windows been redone or were the original? If original they've held up well. Do you know what they depict?

Trueheart
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09-12-2006

Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 11:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trueheart a private message Print Post    
Finally Todd said something about not getting the Hii back!!! I couldn't believe he hadn't mentioned it before!

I'm not a fan of the Hii. I liked survivor back when they didn't have it. For the most part everyone was on even ground. EVERYONE worried. EVERYONE strategized. NO ONE had immunity to fall back on!!! I just feel that it is NOT FAIR that one player should be able to go through the game with a free ride.

James doesn't just have one Hii!! (which is actually more than one can ask for in the first place) He has two idols! Greedy much?? I'm just irked that he is not giving Todd one of them back. He honestly does not NEED two idols. AND let's not forget that he wouldn't have ANY idols IF IT WEREN'T FOR TODD!

I'm not trying to say that Todd is so magnanimous that he gave it away out of the "goodness" of his heart. It was strategy. But all the same Todd is the reason that James has them. Yeah James staying in the game was helping Todd out...but he still did not HAVE to give it to James. And he certainly did not have to tell James about the Hii in the other camp. I feel that James OWES Todd A LOT!! He could give the original Hii that Todd found back to him. Say something like "Uhhh....thanks for pointing me in the right direction...here I think this is yours."

I actually wished that James would have been voted off. I'm ticked that he is being greedy with the idols and plus I can't stand seeing someone sitting so pretty!! It's not right in the game of Survivor! There should be nail-biting by everyone!

James is enough of a threat w/o Hii. He is so physical he could win every individual immunity until the end. But with NOT JUST ONE....(drumroll please)......but TWO HIDDEN IMMUNITY IDOLS (Ta-Dah!!), he's basically unstoppable. Like I said, in the game of Survivor that is NOT RIGHT!!! EVERYONE should be vulnerable!

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 11:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
That was my big gripe too - I am so surprised James didn't give one of the idols back... but also that they didn't ask for it back. If they said he'd be nominated next time if he didn't then at the very least they would force him to use one of them.

Stormie
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03-01-2007

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For some reason this game is moving rather slowly for me and I don't see anyone standing out. Tonight, as far as entertainment value goes, I did like the switch from the decision to eliminate James to JR, but as far as game-play goes, JR wasn't a threat, even though seemingly in his mind he was. They all seemed to have his number and could have nominated him when the time was right, but tonight they had the chance to eliminate James, who is a threat. He has the two immunity idols; I was also surprised he didn't give one back, but then again why should he, Todd could have asked for one back, then decide his fate if he didn't, he chose to say nothing, so, good for James in keeping them for himself. Right now they don't seem to know what James' plan is, which is another reason Todd, or the others, should have said something to him regarding the idols. James should have gone tonight, but now he is sitting pretty, which is fine by me, if he makes it to the finale and wins, that's great, like I said above, no one really is standing out for me, so we'll see. I was also surprised Amanda didn't speak up when Todd changed his mind, she had the opportunity to point out the threat, but chose not to. Still a fun game to watch, but again, a little slow this season for me.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 6:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I never understood the logic behind Todd's strategy to give James the idol in the first place. All he had to do was tell James where to get the idol and James could have grabbed the second one back at his camp. All Todd did was give James a second idol when he didn't need to.

Kellsma
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08-28-2002

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I never understand why having a HII gives someone so much power. If you want them out, vote for them with the second person you want out and if the person with the HII uses it, the other person is gone but the HII is also gone. If they don't use because they think they don't have to, then the HII does not come in to play. I never understood why those that found the HII were so eager to share the information, I would be targeting that person right away. It would not take much to get them out, it just may take one or two tribal councils....

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

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My stock in hubbahubba James went down a lot last night. Of course we just see what the ptb want us to see but I think it was ridiculous for James not to play one of his idols last night. It could have gone either way. It worked out alright for him….he’s still in the game and he did get some insight but still I thought it was a mistake.

Todd is a great player. He’s got strategy working in that brain of his non stop.

Why do you think we aren’t seeing much of Denise? Is it because she’s not giving them anything or are they saving her for the end when she starts winning immunity (speculation not any kind of spoiler).

JR- I love it when not just JR but others are booted and they say it’s because they were such a big threat. Can you imagine JR watching the episode and seeing that he was just about the last if not the last to have any clue of the hii.

This season started off a bit slowZZzzzzz for me but it’s starting to pick up.

I like James because I’m shallow and I can look at that body all day long but after last night I think it’s Todd that I’m rooting for next to Denise.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 9:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Just some thoughts:

Todd panicked because he thought JR was smart and figured out that James had the two idols. In reality, JR was totally clueless until ERIC told him that James probably had the idols. His instinct to blindside James was the correct one.

JR has believed throughout the game that he was in charge. He thought he was the leader of an alliance between him, James, Todd, and Amanda. In reality, he was the odd man out. He thought they voted him out because they knew he was the biggest threat. In reality, they voted him out because of his personality and because he threatened two of them. And made Todd nervous because he made Todd think he could figure things out.

JR has threatened Todd and James. He seemed to think he had a lot of power, both to control the votes against Todd if Todd betrayed him or to get James evicted if James did not work with him. In reality, he had neither.

They have taken Denise for granted. They left her standing alone last night, they did not include her in the plan to oust JR. It is not going to take much to push her into the other camp. They better watch out or she is going to end up the swing vote and switch the game. And if she does go against them, they will never see that it is their own actions. They will condemn her for "betraying" them. She is one of those that other "better" players always think should just be happy with the experience and not expect to win themselves. They should not get "above" themselves and make waves.

Frosti thinks he is sitting pretty because he is aligned with both groups. But he better watch himself, because if he ticks off Todd and his group, or makes them suspicious of his intentions, or if PG and Eric find out he is playing both sides, he becomes a big target.

Courtney is still completely clueless about how to play the game. She is he ultimate under the radar player. But she may have made a mistake last night. She let them know that in a balance comp, she will be formidable. And the last comp is often a balance one. She may become a target earlier than she would have because of it.

PG is trying hard and she has benefited from JR's unfortunate personality. By all the "rules" of playing this game, she should have been gone last night.

Eric is drifting right now. He is protected at least one more week, because they are going to want PG gone before him. His fate is going to depend on how soon Todd decides he wants James gone and on whether he can win immunity. And he made a very astute comment last night about people on the other side beginning to think about being on the bottom of a tribe of six.

Amanda seems to me the smartest of the group. She sees the long picture and does not panic. She also realizes that they do have the numbers right now, but if they pick off their own tribe, someone could turn and those numbers could go away. She has let Todd take the lead role in their alliance. Therefore Todd will be a target before her.

James is going to be a bit wary after last night. He saw that he came within one vote of possibly going home. If he does not win the immunity challenge next time, he will probably use one of the idols. He is sure to win at least some of the challenges. He is going to be hard to get out. Todd made a big mistake last night. He should have gone ahead and blindsided Jems. He might never get another shot at it. And if James finds out he even considered it, James is going to be pissed off and very cautious.

James has made a mistake by not giving back the Idol to Todd or at least saying he would use it to protect any of his alliance.

It is funny in this game how everyone expects trust from everyone else but does little to earn it themselves.

Nerovh
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06-11-2005

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Maybe James will give the Hii back to Todd if Todd is ever in danger, who knows? Todd didn't give the idol to James and say, "I want this back if it turns out you don't need it over on the other tribe." Right now, if the players had sense, nobody on Todd's group should actually NEED an immunity idol since they have the numbers. I'm not ready to condemn James as "greedy" until I see what his plan is. Right now I think he's assuming that he's still with a tight group where he and Todd are both safe, when that doesn't seem to be the case.

I've liked the way James has been trying to keep his tribe sticking to their original boot picks. Last week when they were waffling between PG and Jaime, James said Jaime had been their original choice for almost a month, and he didn't like all that last minute second-guessing that could screw things up. He kept them focused on the biggest threat of the other group.

James didn't like JR, but he didn't turn on him until JR became threatening. He didn't tell Denise about the switch because of her waffling. Based on the editing, Todd's decision to boot JR seemed to go more on emotion that JR was trying to take over Todd's role as master-mind. James decision was based on the fact that JR pretty much openly declared himself a threat to James.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 10:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, Todd gave James the HII when James was part of the other tribe. That tribe was picking of the original FL members, so they wanted to ensure James was still around. Because he knew where the HII was in his original camp, he snagged it in the new camp.

The original FL members are playing emotionally right now. They got rid of Jean-Robert because they don't like him, not because he was a threat. This usually comes back and bites someone in the butt. They did have a golden opportunity to get rid of James, yet they didn't. BOTH HII would've been out of play, their biggest physical threat would've been gone, and they could've picked off Jean-Robert at the next TC.

Jean-Robert made a colossal mistake in threatening James. James would've never voted for him had he not done that. Yet, listening to Jean-Robert's final words, he still didn't get it. Cracks me up when people think they are so much more than they are (and his tribemates totally saw thru him, too!).

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 10:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Great observations Kellsma and Allietex!!

Biginjapan
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07-23-2005

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biginjapan a private message Print Post    
I think it was absolutely right of Todd, Amanada, and Courtney to get rid of JR over James. Denise was waffling and they obviously new it.

They clearly have James with them and JR would switch on them in a moment. They understand they need to take James out at some point but now was not the time.

Denise and JR were the mostly likley to switch up and go against them.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 11:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Even if Denise was waffling, they could have gotten rid of PG, and their numbers would have been even more guaranteed than picking off any of their own. They didn't get rid of ANY of the other tribe, so now waffling is even MORE dangerous.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

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courtney was actually funny and likeable last nite...who'd a thunk it?

Allietex
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08-16-2002

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The point is not always what a person would do, but what other people might THINK he would do. Todd obviuosly resents the fact that James has not mentioned giving the Idol back. No, he did not stipulate that he give it back if not used, which was stupid. But it is rather tacky of James not to even mention doing so or at least saying he will use if for the group.

I agree that James probably would use it for the group, but I still feel he made a mistake in not saying so. It is important to not give anyone a reason to doubt you. And don't think for one minute that he not would keep it for himself if he thought he was in danger. He would be a fool not to. He has already said he was not there to make friends, he was there to win a million dollars. He will do what he has to do. And if he ever finds out his alliance considered blindsiding him, all bets will be off.

Perhaps Denise would not be waffling if she did not feel that she was at the bottom of the pecking order in their alliance. Which except for JR, she is. She is not stupid, you don't think she knows that. Is she just supposed to sit there and let them pick her off in the name of loyalty? I don't know, but if it was me, I would be open to all suggestions. Denise's problem is that she is too honest. She should have just listened to their proposition and been very non committal.

I really felt for her last night. She has obviously been subjected to that sort of thing a lot in her life. I thought it would have been great if Jeff had said that since she was the last one picked and did not get a chance to compete, she would get to go on the reward trip. I would have loved to see their faces.It would have provided a great "gotcha" moment.

And how do you think she felt when she found out she was left out of the loop in the vote? Was her loyalty any more in question than the rest who considered voting out James? Her alliance really left her out to dry, allowing her to make the only oddball vote. How do they explain that to her. How can she reconcile that action with their loyalty to her. Are they just trying to push her into the other camp? Or are they so arrogant and been on top so long, that they don't realize things can turn very quickly in this game?

It would be interesting if James was to find out that his alliance considered blindsiding him. If he knows how Denise feels, he could approach her about forming an alliance, inviting Eric, Frosti, and PG to join them. I think Frosti would join them knowing James has the idols. But even if he didn't they could still use the idol to blindside one of them.

That would leave Amanda, Courtney, Todd. With the idols they could blindside one of them..

Just a thought. Since I have no die hard favorites this season, I could appreciate a big shake up.

Trini
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07-06-2004

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 3:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trini a private message Print Post    
!James OWES Todd A LOT!!
I agree and I thought by now James would give one back, Todd should ask James about giving one up.
My excuse for James is maybe he forgot to give it back?

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 4:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
hey Todd..why dont you just go tell James how you feel and ask for one? Stop whining behind his back and go ask for 1. I bet he will give it to you.

James rules!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 5:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
LOL Pamy! I thought the same thing... dude, just go and ask for one back! And honestly, James was given one by Todd but he got the other one himself (more or less). I'd hang on to 'em also! :-)

Allie, Denise wasn't "picked." So she couldn't have gotten the "you get to go, too, cause you were last picked."

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 5:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
LOL Pamy I was also thinking the same thing! Todd crying that he didn't give him one! Bet If he asked James would give him one! Hey it's a game and If I had both of them I'd keep them also, till someone asked for one and then depending on who asked I might give up one LOL.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 6:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
I'd crack up laughing if James, Denise, PG, Frosty and Eric ganged up on Todd, Courtney and Amanda. I don't dislike anyone, and I think Amanda should be the one they listen to as she seems to be playing the smartest game. It would just be fun because it'd cause such a commotion and make everything much more interesting.

I must admit I'd love to see Todd picked off, simply because he obviously considers himself the "puppet master." :-)