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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 11:42 am
Northshore, they get paid but I'm not sure what it equals out to per week or even per day. I just know that it is a good chunk of change but not even worth it to me, lol. never in a million years would I want to do this show!
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 12:01 pm
I think the whole thing was part of the scripting of reality television that goes on nowadays. It was part of the "storyline" CBS wanted to put out there, and Denise went along with it, just like she went along with being "the lunch lady" on the show even though she had already been promoted to janitor before filming ever started. I am really sick of having "storylines" inserted into so-called reality television. Yeah, yeah, I know - ain't nothing "real" about reality television. Sheesh.
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Brian2204
Member
09-14-2004
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 12:16 pm
In the news today; Denise is asking for the 50K to be donated to the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation.
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Stacey718995
Member
07-06-2007
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 12:26 pm
Very smart counseling given to her on this one, congrats to who did that and to her for listening
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 4:28 pm
I picked this up through a Google search. Not 100% sure of it's accuracy, but it sounds right based on what I used to know on earlier Survivor shows. Haven't checked it out lately, so was curious to what Denise had already won by coming in 4th place for Survivor: China. Winner gets the million, second place gets $100K, third place gets $85K, fourth place gets $65K and so on. First person voted off gets $2500! In addition they supposedly get $750/week salary in addition to the winnings???
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 4:35 pm
What's going on with Many of us not being able to view the CBS site? I didn't use to have this much trouble when I just watch a clip. I'm glad you talked about it, I thought my PC was being bad! Okay, Allie, I see your point. But I still believe that Denise did not know what MB was going to do. Like some of you, I do think MB was not "right" to give her money on LIVE show. This is suspicious all around. No one knows if MB wanted name, applause, ratings or if he was really "touched". He should have tried to find her a job first. With his clout, couldn't he ask the local CBS if it would have a Lunch lady/day time job to offer or something.... Good going for the news today! JuJu, it looks to me, at least it was true that, Denise was a Lunch lady when she first applied for the show. I don't know if SEG people decided to label her that even after learning about her job-change; Or if Denise never shared the new position with them for fear of being cut.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 5:19 pm
This is suspicious all around. Maybe he was just trying to do a nice thing. He should have tried to find her a job first. Why?
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 5:52 pm
Chili, I agree with you 100%. It's not Mark Burnett's responsibility to find her another job - especially if she already has one. She took 90 days leave and was more than compensated for it going out in 4th place. I think he was more than generous to give her $50,000. Mark giving Denise a check for $50,000.00 doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth, but Denise's actions on the live show certainly did.
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Sherbabe
Member
07-28-2002
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 7:15 pm
In a statement issued Tuesday by the network, Martin said she took “full responsibility” for her actions. “I do not feel comfortable about accepting the $50,000. I would instead ask that it be donated to the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation,” the statement said. “Please accept my apology. I would also like to thank all the people who have supported me through this experience.”
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 8:22 pm
Willi, instead of giving her the fish, show her how to fish? Something like that. She has a job. She just didn't like what came with the job. She asked in the Reunion part of the show, for another Lunch Lady job. I don't know her. None of the ins and outs of her life. Lunch Lady, Janitor, Karate instructor/Studio owner-operator.... I don't know. But she didn't ask for money. She asked for another cafeteria job. ---- Personally, having worked through college years in others' and crashed and bombed my own restaurant later on, I do not see any attraction in any eateries ever, Eveh! 
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Bluejaxrock
Member
04-23-2004
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 8:25 pm
OK, all you CPAs out there. My petty mind wants to know: If Denise accepts the $50K then donates it to a qualifying charitable organization, doesn't she still pay tax on the winnings? If so, she ends up on the short end, because the deduction is not an equal reduction in tax, is it? (I know, who thinks about stuff like this? lol)
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 8:37 pm
Blue, if it were a gift, wouldn't it be taxable to the donor and not the donee? I don't know, can someone help b/c I want to know too?!
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 8:51 pm
in her statement she says pls accept her apology......did she say what she was apologizing for?? did she admit to lying about the job?
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 9:22 pm
If the money was "earnings," it is taxable. If it was a "gift," it is not taxable. I think that a "gift" from a reality show would probably be considered "earnings" by the IRS. If it is considered "earnings," she should donate the AFTER tax amount to the charity of her choice.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 10:04 pm
Pamy, I think that's why everyone wants to see the CBS link that doesn't seem to work for many of us. It showed (apparently) the School Boss Lady plus Denise, saying what actually happened and Denise caught with the fib unable to deny the reality. Without seeing the clip myself, though, I wondered if it was an 'over embellishing' of her situation, that MB helped blow up out of proportion (perhaps unintentionally) with his gesture. By the time of the reunion, it looked like, IMO: 1) Denise had now SEEN Courtney's vicious comment about (to paraphrase) "welfare" and "Denise sucking at life" on National TV. 2) Denise KNOWS that she had already thrown HER final vote to Courtney & bumping up Courtney to the 2nd Place pot. 3) Denise is still feeling cheated/ripped off by her "so-called alliance" that's laughed her off as merely a "puppet" and a fool. 4) Jeff pulls up the subject, (Denise, TELL us what happened to your miserable life) "story" for Denise to share at the reunion. 5) Perhaps thinking "Courtney, NOW I'm REALLY going to make you look like one dirty dog!!! YOU left me scrubbing toilets at night, never seeing my kids or husband - you people ruined my LIFE forever cause you didn't have my back & let me win the mil !" 6) Maybe Denise was hoping that if she laid out the story, someone will jump up to offer her a more exciting job. Unlikely to get any modeling type offers or a whole lot of commercial offers since she tossed her own game down the disposal by not switching to Team PG/Eric when she had the chance. I just think this was one storytelling "yarn" that blew up bigger than Bigfoot's Big Feet. Too bad. But at least she didn't waste any time coming clean. Her kids and husband have to be able to walk with their heads held high in their schools/job.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 10:15 pm
Don't know if anyone might have posted this YouTube before. Pretty interesting. AMAZING how many people are working at Base Camp, pulling together the show: Survivor China - A Tour Of Base Camp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmD5ae9gniw&feature=related
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 10:46 pm
I wonder if the request to turn the $50k over to the "Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation” isn't perhaps a face-saving device for MB, as well as Denise, to come out of this sad debacle - without creating more of a hardship (tax wise) on Denise? For the past several years, since Survivor Africa IIRC, Survivor & Jeff have been pushing that same charity. They even sell on ebay many of the pieces of the show. Here's the Tree Mail Box presently up for bid. http://tinyurl.com/2g6bjn "100% of the final sale price will support The Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation" So, if MB simply hands his $50k check DIRECTLY to EGP AIDS, then MB collects the tax writeoff. Not going "via Denise route" means it wouldn't affect Denise's income. Thus, MB essentially satisfies Denise's request to donate the check, MB gets the publicity & PR & tax writeoff & left with a "Good Guy" image. Denise has a chance to try to get the egg off her face and look a bit graceful/charitable. How many people would enroll their kids in her karate school if they don't think she's a good role model and honest person? I liked Denise and was rooting for her. Hope she can get back to some type of normalcy.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 12:38 am
Okay, now that I've seen the Early Show interview posted at YouTube I think I understand what happened. It sounds like it really was a miscommunication. If I'm understanding Denise correctly, she realized during her Survivor experience that having time with her family was more important to her than making more money. She decided to go back to being a lunch lady. So when she got home she tried to get her old job back but couldn't. Her complaint wasn't that she'd been taken out of her job, but that she was unable to switch back to her previous position that made her happier. We just assumed (and perhaps Probst did as well) that she meant she had come back to no job at all, since we'd been told all along that she was a lunch lady. They must've given these guys pre-reunion interviews to come up with questions for Jeff to ask, and someone must've been only half-listening to what Denise was saying. Now I really do feel a tad bit sorry for her, because this has to be very embarrassing and it sounds like a case of bad communication skills rather than intentional lying. In her interview she sounds like she's scared she's going to get fired. I also feel sorry for the people who had to read all the hate mail the school district must've been hit with after the show aired.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 2:05 am
Chy, I understand what you're saying but what I was asking is "why should Burnett try to find her another job?" She's not his responsibility. It's not his fault she is having problems with her job. She voluntarily signed up for a reality show that Burnett paid her well for being on. Whatever's going on at her home turf is her problem and has nothing whatsoever to do with Burnett or Survivor anymore.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 7:35 am
Curlyq, that makes a lot of sense to me. I tend to agree that it was probably more a matter of miscommunication than it was an outright lie. It has just never made sense to me that she would just cold bloodly and deliberately lie abut something that is so easily checked. And bad communication skills I can buy when it comes to Denise. It has been mentioned a number of times on this board in reference to her remarks at tribal council. And the Supt. may not have all the facts either. She may not have even realized that Denise had asked for her old job back, because it might not have been done in any formal way. She may have spoken to the lunch room director and been told it was not possible and left it at that. And if the director was asked about it, she may have honestly just said no she didn't apply for her job back, which was true if she did not do it formally. Heck, since it has been several months, she might not even remember her doing so. In a way, if that is true, then she didn't actually lie. They didn't give her her "old" job back, she just didn't give a very good explanation of the sequence of events. Everyone just assumed she was referring to the job she had when she left because she was called the lunch lady, when in reality she was referring to the job she had when she applied.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 7:36 am
Chilli, I think the point was that if he was going to do something to help her, it would have been more productive to help her find a way to better her situation with a better job than it was to just give her money. I don't think anyone was suggesting that it was his RESPONSIBILITY to find her a job, or that he owed her anything, just that if he WAS gong to help her, the job might have been a better solution than cash.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 7:52 am
Chy, I agree, I do not think Denise had any idea what Burnett was going to do, but of course they had interviewed each person and had a pretty good idea what they were going to say. How else could Jeff know what questions to ask? All I was saying was that the story of him being backstage and so touched by her story seemed a little phony. As it turned out, they should have clarified the story a little more, and he and Denise both might not have ended up with egg on their faces.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 1:55 pm
He should have tried to find her a job first. That sounds to me like someone thinks it was his responsibility to find her a job.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 2:12 pm
The second clip I posted does show a portion of the CBS confrontation by the school board lady and Denise standing there taking it.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIBqI3Ubat4 I don't blame Denise for Mark Burnett's actions. I imagine that they did propagate the label of School Lunch Lady as opposed to School Custodian, and they may have even pressured her to utter those words many times, but she certainly didn't have to come up with that bogus story. The truth is probably more likely that she got the promotion before she left, for more money and better benefits, then she was away from her family for probably 50 days between the 39 days of filming, getting there and being prepped (not to mention interviewing and testing up front) and travel time home and upon arriving home she was faced with a job that certainly wasn't as glamorous as being on Survivor, with hours that didn't allow her to enjoy her family as much and bask in the "fame" locally and even took more hours away from her life, so the old Lunch Lady job sounded better to her, especially with $65k on the way from her fourth place. Since she seemed convinced that if she was in F3 she might win, she might also have held onto the belief that she would win the $100,000 popularity prize from the viewers. IF she accepts the $50,000, I think only $10,000 can be considered a gift and not taxable. Now if she turned around and donated the $50,000 to a charity, she would get some benefit (not sure how much) against the tax she'd owe on the $65,000, plus her regular income, plus the $50,000. Not sure it would be worth adding $50,00 of income. So I imagine she is just asking that MB not give her the money but toss that money into the pot for Elisabeth Glaser foundation.. Jeff clearly knew when they went to break that Denise had an "amazing story" to tell and told us we'd hear of the different reception she got compared to James when they returned home. Then he said one survivor would be getting the $100,000. No mention of MB at that point.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 2:19 pm
Okay, Chili, Allie gets me, . (It's like this in my RL, some people get offended since I don't always express myself clear enough.) I did mean that, if MB really wanted to go all out to help-- by giving her 50K he certainly showed great interest in wanting to help Denise!-- he could have tried to use his clout and get a job for her rather than the "Live show announcement" that he did. I never meant that it was MB's responsibility to "help" Denise. Just that the 50K seems a fishy attempt to serve himself rather than D! Like some said up thread, if MB really wanted to help D to "get her life back a little"(JP said), he could do the gift-giving off-camera. I merely suggest that MB could also try to find her a job she likes-- he didn't even have to do it in person, could just have his assistant make phone calls and such... before giving out such an amount! (Fish and fishing skills? Sort of??)
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