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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 11:41 am
I've always thought I'd be able to eat anything they would trhow at me but that bird fetus was just too much.....ewwwww I really wanted Denise to win/eat that thing for no other reason than to see the look on everyones face when James pulled out the HII.....dang#$#$%@#@!!
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 11:52 am
I said shame. It was to save her best friend there! And she ate one of them. But to just spit it out, and not continue. Slap in the face to James. We did not SEE James at campe after the immunity challenge. It went like this: - James gets HII from Todd - tribes go to immunity challenge - James is returned to his other tribe - big tribe loses immunity - all the rest of the footage following the immunity challenge will follow the losing tribe, therefore, we did not see James back at camp, because they won
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 12:13 pm
But in the promos for next week don't we see James reaching up and taking something down off the little building? I think Sherea's actions last night were just stupid. If you are trying to raise your stock in camp you don't go running your mouth. You do what she had done previously...point out why you should be kept. You don't launch a verbal attack on another tribemember! I didn't care for Sherea (or at least not the edited version of her) all along because I found her incredibly arrogant, but that was just plain out stupid! Had to LOL at P.G. and Jaime this week after they decided that throwing immunity was stupid...too bad they didn't think of that LAST week! Their little plan kind of backfired on them, and well it should. But the look on James's face when they were trying so hard was really funny. And did anybody else think that he ate the stuff as a mercy eating for Denise? It was obvious that she wasn't going to be able to eat it and she didn't want to give up, so he finally stuffed it in his mouth as an act of kindness. Its a wonder that P.J. and Jaime didn't click on to the fact that HE was trying to throw the competition. It was all too funny to me.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 12:14 pm
I think Denise started gagging. If she's anything like me, once that gag reflex is triggered, it doesn't calm down. And once the gagging starts, nothing is going down! I'm thrilled that James has the HII. I do hope he keeps the deal with the guy who gave it to him and that they team up after the merge and get rid of those 2 girls that threw the challenge. It was interesting to see them suddenly singing a different tune. How quickly they realized they can't predict what their former team members will do.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 12:23 pm
In TWOP they definitely said Todd game James the HII.
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Madelane
Member
08-20-2001
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 12:53 pm
Oh someone asked way up there if Sherea said "eat me." What I heard was "excuse me!" All sarcastic and snotty as she got up to leave. Maybe someone had closed captioning? But "eat me" is not that offensive, in my opinion, anymore. It's one of those terms that probably started off quite crude, and is now thrown out there without the visual, thankfully.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-31-2000
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 1:17 pm
I kind of recall James saying something like "it's okay, I got it" to Denise, didn't he? It was pretty clear to me that he could have eaten the thing, was trying to throw the challenge by pretending he couldn't. Then when Denis e couldn't, he felt so bad for her, that he ate to get the thing over with and so she wouldn't have to keep trying.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 1:29 pm
That's what I saw too Karuuna. I love me some James And Frosti. Hey, here's something that struck me as weird last night; What was with Todd telling every member that they had the HII, and blah blah blah. Why not just give it to James, and be done with it? Why did he make such a big production of it, and why did he feel the need to bring EVERYONE in?
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 1:37 pm
Karuuna, that was my take too....he's such a gentleman ;). I like that the hottest guy on the island isn't fawning after the skinny young thangs but is attracted to the hard work non madison avenue-ish woman.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 1:39 pm
I wondered why Todd had to show off...I get the feeling that he wants to be seen as the mastermind of this group, so that is why he had to tell everyone. He wanted them all to be impressed by his ability to manipulate the game.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 2:48 pm
why did he feel the need to bring EVERYONE in? he Said that he wanted to solidify the trust with everyone. I also didnt see him tell everyone. Unfortunately, I dont understand his reasoning. If they Knew where the Im. Idol was, why not send james back to camp to grab his own?? I dont understand why give him that one...now he has two? They showed during the blurb for next week that the other guy (?) on James' team has the Im. Idol. How the heck would HE get it??? Or did they steal it out of his bag?
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Willwillbee
Member
09-20-2001
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 3:47 pm
Sunshyne beat me to my own questions lol - Todd promised to save James, so find the HII & tell James where it might be at the other camp (seems strange to have the idol & clues exactly same for both camps) & if that's not right say oops my bad but KEEP the HII (and not tell anyone else lol) I guess he figures if he lays low & plays the puppet master he'll be safe. I would want to keep the HII for myself personally.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 4:03 pm
Todd only told his original tribe members, except J-R. I think because when the HII was removed it was so obvious that something had happened, that it was better to come clean at the beginning than for it to look like he might be deceiving some in his alliance. And at one point Todd says he thinks there will be an HII on the other team but he wasn't sure, so he had to give James their HII to make sure James isn't kicked out. I guess he thinks his original tribe and therefore he himself is better off if one of the other (original) tribe goes, and if the current other team are going to throw the challenge, the only way to get one of the others off is to guarantee James has an idol. If he didn't give James the HII and James couldn't get the other HII and James therefore goes, the tribes will be 5-5 at the merge. If James stays it will be 6-4. I guess Todd still wins even now because they're 6-4 at the merge now Sherea's gone, and there are probably two HIIs in play and James is honourable enough to give at least one back to Todd.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 4:17 pm
I was thinking James should have said 'I cant swallow it either, I give up'
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Trueheart
Member
09-12-2006
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 5:02 pm
I certainly hope that once James has the Hii from JH that he gives the FL Hii back to Todd!!!! I think it would be the right thing to do. Todd did not have to give it to James. He gave up something very valuable to help him. James seems like the type of guy to appreciate the action and return the favor...at least I certainly hope so!!!!
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 5:16 pm
I thought Todd told his tribemates about the idol because he was explaining his plan to them about throwing the comp so James could use it and get rid of one of the 'others.' He gave it to James because they had no guarantee there was one in the same place or the clues were the same at the other camp. He wanted to make sure his plan worked and it probably would have if they planned it out a little better. Too bad. At least it got rid of Sherea. James is the kind of person I would love to know and have as a good friend. You can always count on someone like James to be there for you.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 5:37 pm
ITA. you can just see what a kind loving sould James has. There was one shot of him looking up with his hat on while listening to JP....the look in his eyes was so telling of his soul. I hope good things happen to James. I also am loving Denise, I figure she must be pretty special for James to care about her so much. I got teary eyed seeing them hug, you could just see their bond
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 6:03 pm
I'm rewatching now. Todd said he told them so they would try as hard as possible to win the challenge. I got it backwerds. It didn't look like they did though. Does anyone else think Denise looks like she's lost weight also?
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 7:15 pm
Arghhh...soooo close..so very close to finally seeing the HII used in the voting ceremony. I was so excited, but no...the gals had to go and get paranoid and not go through with their little cutting plan, so they tried to win. If only they'd tried to lose and it backfired on them, what a show that would have been. Great plan Todd had of giving the HII to James. I, too, wish James would have just stopped eating. Are we ever going to see the HII used..ever???
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Friday, October 26, 2007 - 9:00 pm
I agree Denise appears to be getting smaller, especially her face.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 10:16 am
I didn't see Todd "telling everyone" or being a "show off". Todd needed to pump Denise up to win IC! He knew It'd be four on four, since Denise, Amanda and Coutney all sat out for the RC, they had no choice but playing in the IC. It was rather convenient. Amanda and Courtney was already in his alliance. Frosti stumbled on the discovery of Hii and was welling to proove his worthieness. (I remember saying to myself, Frosti, you have to volunteer to do the gross food challenge now!) So Todd really only told the ones who "needed to know". Even though his brilliant plan was smashed, at least Todd was making moves other than flapping chops!
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 7:02 pm
Someone may have mentioned this already but I found Todd's strategy to be more than a bit confusing and inexplicable. The only advantage to giving James the HII was that he would throw the challenge and then use the HII to vote out Jamie so that Fei Long would have a majority going into the merge. Wouldn't it have been a whole lot easier to accomplish the same thing by simply having Fei Long throw the challenge and then vote off Sherea (like what happened)? That way they achieve pretty much the same thing and keep the HII for future use.
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Urgrace
Member
08-19-2000
| Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 8:45 pm
Giving James the HII was insurance. Insurance that James would not be voted off the opposing tribe when/if they lost and in hopes they lost in order to break up the Eric-Jaime alliance (an alliance of two which has proven to be strong when it comes to alliances) and remove Jaime from play. Todd's plan would have worked if you see it from the back door advantage. Trouble with Todd was he didn't think up a back up plan. Luckily, he still managed to rid the tribe of a strong player from outside his alliance. Luckily James is still safe and holds the HII. Luckily the insurance was not totally in vain. Without the plan he would have gotten the idol and kept it for himself otherwise, thus insuring his own safety. Now he will have to trust James with the HII and hope James stays allied when the tribes merge, however Amanda wasn't 100% sure James is.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 9:54 pm
I think after what Jamie and PG pulled last week, James is solidly loving his old tribe. Why on earth would he want to be with the three plus Frosti? I watch the last week episode twice, and when they were interviewing James about the new tribe, he said something like, "This new tribe is all friendly and happy and together, and my old tribe was miserable. I like miserable." I challenge anyone to go back to that quote, and you'll see he always did like the old tribe better, but was just going to give it a try at the new one. If there's ANYONE they need to watch for, it's John Robert. If the merge happens next week, JR could flip with Frosti, back to the small tribe, and then I think it's even. Todd, Amanda, James, Denise, Courtney Frosti, Jamie, Eric, PG, John Robert. I think that JR needs to flip this week, or he's out in two weeks, once the big tribe has secure numbers to still vote out one of their own. If he doesn't flip, the big group will vote out Eric or Jamie, then they have the numbers to still vote out JR. What could REALLY make things interesting, is if Courtney stays pissed at her tribe, and makes a move. She's devious, and she doesn't strike me as someone who is scared of switching, or making new allies.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 8:30 am
Keeping JR makes lots of sense. Who wouldn't want to be with him in the final two?
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 11:26 am
Eey, I agree that JR is the one that would most likely switch tribes if given the chance and that he needs to go before he causes number troubles. I don't trust him.
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Nerovh
Member
06-12-2005
| Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 9:08 am
I really don't know if they can trust Courtney. I'm hoping she'll realize her chances are no better with the other tribe so she won't flip, but she seemed so pissed off about them keeping J-R that she may just flip to get back at them. I don't like that girl at all.
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 4:20 pm
I'm a little behind on this show this season, but I managed to watch last weeks today. I think they made a mistake getting rid of Sheressa rather than John-Robert. He doesn't seem to be a team player and right now I think they need people who can help win challenges, rather than cause conflict. So far, for me, no one really stands out yet though, hopefully things will change when the tribes merge.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 5:22 pm
That would be absolutely correct, Stormie, but what you may not know is that they traded tribe members a couple weeks ago, and Sherea had loyalties to the other tribe, so they almost had to vote her out and keep Jean-Robert.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 9:27 am
Last week, I mentioned how much fun it would be if both teams were trying to lose the competition. Well, it did not really reach that point, but I thought it was hiliarous how things had switched and James was desperately trying to lose and the rest of the tribe was trying to win. I loved it that James is staying, just because I love it when a player who is "dead" manages to survive. And I found the girls arrogant and unlikable in their plan. I do question Todd's telling so many about the idol. He should have taken James into his confidence and gotten his help in locating the first one. James could then use the clues to find the one in his own camp. If they had thought it through, they would have realized that the clues fit both camps, because they were given to people in both camps. This way, they would have been the only one with the idols, and James would owe Todd big time. The first person on the block is going to expect to use the idol, which might leave Todd unprotected later. I understand his reasoning. He was trying to solidify his tribe and keep the numbers, but I just question whether he had to tell so many people. The only person he did not tell was JR. And if JR finds out about it, is that going to make him feel safe. A good reason to jump loyalties.
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