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Nessietessie
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02-03-2007

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 6:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nessietessie a private message Print Post    
Pee Gee has won immunity both times when the challenge was answering questions about China. Do you think the challenges are showing favoritism?

Go Todd!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 6:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
There are always these types of challenges based on the country in which the show is being filmed.

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 7:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
Right Costacat! And just because some one is Chinese doesn't mean they know there history! I'm sure they all had a bit of time to look up where they where going! Plus have you watched Smarter than a 5th grader? Some of us (ME) would loose to them LOL. All these years latter I do NOT remember my history facts etc! I understood Denise taking her alliance with her but I was hoping she would shake things up last night, But a tie would have put her out there! So Maybe she made the right choice for her

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 7:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I was a little disappointed in Denise for not taking PG. I understand why. Todd and Amanda are the leaders. She knows that and she did not want to give them a chance to plot behind her back. It would be two reward trips that she would be gone. And also by taking them, there is an opportunity for open game talk.

But still like PG said, she gave Denise a once in a lifetime reward. Denise felt really bad about that, but she realizes this is a game. And I don't think PG's motives for taking Denise were any more pure than Denise's were. She wanted a chance to turn Denise. By taking her she actually put Denise in an awkward position with her alliance because they could not be sure she had not turned.

However, I am torn about her vote. I was hoping she would vote out Todd, but remember her vote would have just made it a tie. They would still have had to have the tie challenge.

If Todd won, she would have been the next one to go unless she won the reward challenge. Todd would have been so pissed at her he would want her gone before PG. So it was a big gamble. I do believe that if her vote would have been a tiebreaker, she would have voted Todd out.

She is the fourth in their group, but she has also seen James who was definitely above her in the pecking order voted out.

And from the previews next week, Amanda tries to engineer Todd's ouster. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 7:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
ugh I'm all for getting Todd out of there.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 7:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I believe that this is the first year that this late into the season, there are NO true alliances. Each and every one of them will turn on the others. There will be no Cody's this season. Everyone of them is there for themselves. And that is good. I hate it when people on reality shows let friendship or some silly romance distract them from what they are there to do.

But I have often wondered how these people see themselves. They are always talking about who they can trust and almost in the same breath will talk about turning on an alliance member.

They talk about loyalty within their alliance, but at the same time plot to oust members of that same alliance.

And how do the leaders of an alliance view the bottom of their alliance. For example, Todd's alliance right now is with Amanda, Courtney, and Denise in that order.

Does he expect loyalty from all three while not feeling he owes loyalty to all three in return. You can't extend loyalty to three people. Someone has to go.

Don't you get the feeling that to him, all the rest of them are there just to help him win and as I said before the votes. Every season we get several people who feel that way, and it is usually one of them that wins or comes in second.

But do they look at themselves as being untrustworthy or do they not see in themselves what they deplore in others. Do they feel they only owe loyalty to whoever they choose?

Don't get me wrong. I think it is perfectly OK to turn on your alliance. The more devious, the more entertaining the show. I really liked James, but his being voted out with 2 immunity idols in his possession was one of the best "gotcha" moments in reality history. Right up there with Marcellas not using the veto.

Am I making any sense? I just think it would be interesting to know how they see themselves.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 8:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Twiggyish: Sent you an email!!

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 8:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Thanks to those who spoiled! We actually watched it at my dinner party but I kept thinking about you guys.

Stacey718995
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07-06-2007

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 8:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
This is the first time at this point in the game that I am just not in to any of the ones that are left. I won't stop watching but I really am not cheering for any either.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 8:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
What allitex said! I agree, it was too great of a risk to vote for Todd when it would have been only a tie. If the situation comes up this week I think her vote would be different.

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 8:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Can someone tell me if I missed something? First of all Courtney says (about her dad)"He's British, he doesn't wear shorts" which gave hubby and I a hoot as my British DH was watching the show in his shorts. LOL But then she kept apologizing to him for his having to participate in the challenge. Did they ever explain that? She seemed genuinely panicky that her dad would be angry or upset at having to take part.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I think this group has played the most strategic type game in many seasons. Denise really couldn’t have switched right now because as has been mentioned it only would have been a tie. Denise is the one I’m rooting for but honestly I don’t dislike any of them enough to root against them. PG irked me for most of the season but it’s less now because she seems to be able to win comps so I have to respect that.

Denise is due for an immunity win and I’m hoping that it comes next week or actually the week after…LOL actually both weeks and thereafter too.

This is the best looking jury in ages too. James looked hot last night.

For me it’s been a so so season. I like my Survivor best when there is a villain to root heavily against and I don’t have that this time.

If PG keeps winning I don’t see how the jury could vote against her. If she wins again next week does it mean that Denise is automatically out? Or would Todd or Amanda try to switch things and turn on each other?

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 9:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I'm not a Todd fan (never have been) and I do think it's all about him. I think he expects the others to do his bidding but he'd turn on them in a flash if he had to.

I thought one of the reasons PG picked Denise to go on that reward challenge was because Denise, too, had been left out of rewards. The three of them were the underdogs when it came to getting rewards.

At this point I hope PG or Courtney win. Mostly because I think both of them have survived against some pretty heavy odds. I'm not a huge fan of Amanda... I think she talks the talk but can't walk the walk.

As far as Courtney's dad, I think most of her apologies came before the challenge was explained. And I think at that point she didn't knmow if he was going to get muddy or wet or whatever. Not all Brits are so "proper" but she knows her father best and my assumption was that he is quite the proper man, she knows that, and she apologized to him for any humiliation he may endure.

As far as villain, I think Todd takes it for me. I really don't like his attitude (and I don't like it when he disses people for getting as "smart" as he is by coming up with the same strategies).

My preferred order of elimination at this point is:

Todd
Amanda
Final 3 with Denise, Courtney, PG

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I'd consider Todd as villain lite. I didn't like him all that much in the beginning but at least he's trying to play the game and has a bit of insight into the game, unlike hubbahubba James.

Biginjapan
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07-23-2005

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 9:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biginjapan a private message Print Post    
Todd is the best for me. I am loving this season with all the strategy focus. I want Todd to win but would actually be happy with any of them.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 10:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Rissa, I assumed that before the show, when deciding who to choose, Courtney's dad had said he'd be rubbish at the challenges, so don't choose him if she thought he might have to do soemthing physical. She didn't know he'd have to do a physical challenge so did choose him. That was my take anyway. Brits haven't been proper since the 1920s, as you and I know.

I agree with Costa on why PG picked Denise though, I thought it was because of that time they took turns to pick teams and Denise didn't even get to compete. I'm not sure who else PG would have taken though, it's not as if she didn't take her best friend just so she could take Denise. It's not Denise's fault if she has stronger alliances than PG.

I'd like a final three of Todd, Amanda and Denise. If it came down to that vote I have no idea who would win.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 11:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
Amanda

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 11:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I understand completely why Denise chose Todd and Amanda. Remember last time, when PG chose her, she was really excited about going on the trip, but at the same time, she expressed concern that she was leaving her alliance behind and she said you never knew what they were talking about while you were gone.

And she has already seen her alliance turn on Jon Robert and on James while there were still some of the "enemy" tribe still there. Why give her alliance an opportunity to plot with PG or Eric against her.

So this time she took her alliance with her. Smart move.

Kc103
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07-13-2004

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 11:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kc103 a private message Print Post    
I would not be surprised at all if Todd does win this year. It seems to me like he definitely has had the most narrative time this season. In that one respect, it kind of reminds me of the editing they did of Richard Hatch in season one...and of course he turned out to be the winner.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 12:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Personally I think PG chose Denise to go on the reward because she knew Denise was the most vulnerable of the remaining tribe members. Todd, Amanda and Courtney have shown that they were loyal to one another and James wouldn't have taken PG if she was the last remaining tribe member on earth. Denise was her logical and smart choice. Quite simply it suited her purposes.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 1:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Count me in as one of the people who think Todd or Amanda should win. I guess I'd lump PG in there too, but she lost me when she giggled at the TC when Aaron was voted out.

I think Todd and Amanda are AWESOME strategists. I don't get the impression that Todd EXPECTS people to carry him to the end. I think that he knows it's a game, and will probably have major respect for whomever orchestrates his eviction. When I listen to Todd in his one-on-ones, he totally talks strategy, and he knows nobody can trust anyone. He knew to trust Amanda at the beginning, and he knows that toward the end, the ability to trust goes away. He is always thinking steps ahead, and I respect his game play.

Amanda is just as into strategy as Todd, but she doesn't show as much bravado in the one-on-ones, so we don't see her as so evil. Again, she's thinking a few steps ahead, and she has the whole clean hands thing going for her. Or at least a bit more than Todd. She hasn't been bitchy or in anyone's face through the season. Todd has had words with a few people, and so it might have soured some jury members to voting for him.

I would love to see a Todd, Amanda, PG final 3. And I'm torn as to who I'd rather see win, Todd or Amanda. I like Todd because he really elaborates on his plans and thoughts, while talking to the camera, whereas Amanda is quieter, so you don't think she's so active in it all, but she is.

Courtney and Denise have done NOTHING to deserve being where they are, other than riding coat tails. I don't want them around much longer.

I really respect people who come on and PLAY THE GAME. Todd, Amanda and PG have done that, and I am glad they are still around.

Smartypants
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03-09-2007

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 8:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Smartypants a private message Print Post    
I was hoping Denise would turn on her alliance and vote with PG and Erik...but not against Todd....against Amanda...she could have worked a deal with them that she will vote with them if they vote for who she wants...i wish she would start to take some control otherwise she's gone...

and I don't know why they all don't want to take Todd to the end. Todd is my favorite but he sure doesn't seem to be the favorite of anybody there and probably won't win...

but who knows...

I'm just glad Todd is still there

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 8:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
last week it was mentioned that the person shown last in the opening credits is the one that goes...last nite they showed Eric last in credits..hhmmmmm...cant wait to see who is last in credits next week

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Friday, December 07, 2007 - 11:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
BuddyTV Interview with Erik

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Saturday, December 08, 2007 - 3:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogdoc a private message Print Post    
I think the women will turn on Todd. If I had to pick a favorite woman it would be Amanda. She hasn't annoyed me as much as the other three.