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Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 7:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
It's interesting how people see things differently. I didn't think that Amanda was faking at all. I thought that she genuinely felt bad about the game.

If she was faking she surely didn't show it when they returned to camp after voting out Denise. She felt bad and didn't want to celebrate. There would be no reason to fake it with Todd and Courtney.

Also her personal monologues were consistent as well - she certainly didn't claim that it was strategy and that she was faking anything.

I wonder what they would have done if there was a tie?

Pixieduster
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09-27-2004

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pixieduster a private message Print Post    
hmmmmmm...they didn't do a car/truck reward this year. Wonder if that's because they spent so much on private jets, if they actually believe the car curse or if the sponsors simply declined?????

Mack
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07-23-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 8:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mack a private message Print Post    
Can't say we were excited about Todd winning as he was our least favorite. My wife and I were both James fans and kind of didn't care after he was gone. Towards the end, like the last two shows, we started leaning toward, of all people, Courtney. She came a long ways in our eyes. All in all a good season with an interesting location but not particularly a "star" cast.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 8:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
I don't think Amanda was faking it and I do think she felt bad, she was just playing it up a bit.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 8:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Denise was not fired. She was reassigned. She was unhappy about it because she has to work nights and can't be with her family. But if she did not have an agreement with the school before hand, then she had no gripe coming. We don't know that she did.

She may have been lucky to have been taken back at all. Other reality show contestants have completely lost their jobs. It is not like they have gone off to serve their country. And in some cases they probably put a hardship on their employers. They have to hire someone to take her place and then what happens to that person when she comes back?

I love Denise, but we do not know what arrangements she made with the school before she took off on this trip. And don't they sometimes get the notice to go and have to leave very quickly. She may not have had time to make proper arrangements. We should not be too quick to blame the shcool.

Last night's show was live and she would not have known about the 50K, so the bank would not have backed her because of it.

I am not sure just how much a Karate school would cost to open. She probably does not have a big fancy place. She may just be giving lessons out of her own home, for example. It might not have cost all that much and she may have used the promise of the money she knew she would recieve.

Remember, with these kinds of shows, the tax bite out of their winnings is enormous. I am very happy for Denise that she got the extra 50K. I think the experience of Survivor probably did a lot for her self confidence. I thought she looked great and it looks like she kept off most of the weight she lost.

Amanda's biggest mistake was in not voting out Todd. She had a intution. She talked to Courtney about it and Courtney told her she would vote however she said. I think both of them misread how the jury would react. They thought that because Todd had lied and schemed and backstabbed so many of them, that they would be mad at him. The opposite was true. They respected him for it. but if they had voted out Todd, then Amanda could have claimed that position and I think she would have won. Todd would have voted for her for the same reason he wanted them to vote for him. She would have been the best player left.

They liked Denise, but the did not respect her game. There were looks of surprise and snickers every time she suggested she might win. And they certainly did not respect Courtney. She got Frosti's vote because she was kind go him and he liked her. She got Denise's vote because she was pissed at Todd and Amanda.

Nerovh
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06-11-2005

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 9:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
I was surprised PG was one of the 3 most popular. I absolutely couldn't stand her.

Laura11103
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08-13-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 9:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Laura11103 a private message Print Post    
I saw Courtney give Jeff the finger when he mentioned the Denise comment, anyone else catch that?

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
PG had to work the hardest to keep herself in the show, that might be why she got high scores in the "who should get the $100K" vote.

Amanda's reaction after the last vote seemed to me to be the result of being caught out in her lie to Denise, not because she was sad about voting out Denise. We saw her tell Denise she wouldn't write her name down (weren't those her actual words?) and when Denise said it outloud in the TC Amanda had to try and say no she didn't mean it as she still needed to be in favour with Todd and Courtney (in case there was another TC). That made her look bad to the jury, to Denise, and to Todd and Courtney, but Amanda chose to blame Todd rather than herself. She was just caught in a lie.

Justfun
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11-08-2005

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 10:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Justfun a private message Print Post    
Laura - I noticed it too!

Cinder
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09-01-2000

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinder a private message Print Post    
Yes- Laura- I saw it- and we know the audience did because they "gasped" I can't believe CBS didn't edit it out (since all live shows are on delay after the Superbowl incident)
Then again- we see worse things.

Aussiedeb
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07-05-2004

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 11:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Aussiedeb a private message Print Post    
I noticed the finger too.. it was quick but I thought wow.. and the audience did also see it..

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 11:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I told my dd before Jeff actually asked the question that Courtney's middle finger was sticking up by her mouth and then, right then, Jeff asked her about that. Not sure it was on purpose but it sure looked like she knew what he was going to ask her.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 11:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Yes, Amanda told Denise that no matter what the other two did, she would NOT put down Denise's name. I am sure that is what she meant when she said Amanda told her she had her back. Amanda would have been better off to just be honest and tell her what was going to happen or at least tell her she was not sure yet. To just out and out lie to her was kind of cruel at that late date. And just a little stupid.

However, I am not real sure that she even remembered saying that. She seemed very nervous when she was talking to Denise and was almost babbling at times. It is not hard to forget what you said when your are under stress.

I think Amanda's reaction after they voted out Denise was because she realized she probably had just made a big mistake in not voting out Todd. She realized by his comment after the Denise exchange, that he would do anything to win, including throwing her under the bus. Although why she was surprised at the, I'll never know. She had just spent weeks watching him and helping him backstab their whole alliance. It always amazes me when they think they are immune from it all.

I was a little surprised at Denise's bitterness. I thought she would be more understanding. However, she had not had as much time to decompress and adjust to losing than the others. And she was bitterly disappointed because she really thought she had a chance to win, or at least to get second. And she was so close. And she had trusted Denise throughout the entire game and thought she could trust her to the end. She did seem to get over it and not hold a grudge.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 11:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
You know, one thing I have been struck with this whole season is the lack of emotion when someone was voted out. There were only a few instances when anyone seemed really sad that someone else was going. It always just seemed relief.

But they all seemed geniunely sad when Denise was voted out. Amanda seemed near tears, and even Todd did not have his usual smirk or look or relief that has been standard with him. Even Courtney seemed subdued. And no smirks on the jury's faces either.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 11:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
I give Courtney credit for wanting to be straight up with Denise and tell her she was going. Amanda was the one who stopped that maneuver...

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I do not like the final three. I like it better when they come down to the final two and the jury has to decide either/or. Make the hard decision between two people who lied and backstabbed their way to the finals. I love that. To me the third person provides a cop out vote. Let's face it, the third person is almost always going to be someone like Courtney. If she can make it to the final two, then she deserves it, but not just to final 3.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Well....this show was sure a hard one for the spoilers. Almost all sites I visit had Amanda down to win, and she only got one vote. I think the jury question session did her in!

Laura11103
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08-13-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Laura11103 a private message Print Post    
I agree Allie, I mean when did it suddenly become the final 3??? It was always the final 2, so much more dramatic and just better, only 1 person wins so why drag along an extra person? I didn't care who won this season, once James made that dumb mistake my favorite was gone.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 12:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Wow, me and my friends IRL must be the few and far between that aren't on the James "bandwagon." We voted for PG to win because (1) James had two immunity idols and pretty much lost the game on his own; (2) Denise settled for 4th place, when she could have made it to the final three had she aligned with PG and Erik; and (3) PG had to struggle more than anyone to stay in the game.

While I didn't want to like PG at the beginning of the season, towards the end she was the only one I really liked. I'm not surprised she was one of the top three vote-getters.


Spear
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08-06-2001

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 12:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Was Denise telling the truth?

http://www.douglas.k12.ma.us/

Press Release: Mrs. Denise Martin
December 17, 2007
Douglas Public Schools

On the “Survivor China” television program that aired on December 16, 2007, Mrs. Denise Martin, an employee of the Douglas Public Schools, stated that she was demoted from her position as a cafeteria worker upon her return from taping the show. This statement is false. In fact, Mrs. Martin held a full-time position as a custodian prior to her participation in the series, and she returned to this same position upon her return from China. Mrs. Martin was granted - at her request - an unpaid leave of absence so that she could participate in the “Survivor” program. We were pleased and excited to support Denise, and have enthusiastically cheered her on throughout the duration of the show.

Although Mrs. Martin was a cafeteria employee prior to her selection as a contestant, she asked to be considered for a promotion to full-time custodian, and was promoted to this position on March 30, 2007. This promotion came with additional benefits and a higher salary. Following her leave, she then returned to this same position.

Regretfully, the Douglas Public School District was inaccurately portrayed as failing to be accommodating to an employee during what the District viewed as a “once-in-a-lifetime” opportunity. This is far from the case. On the contrary, we granted all requests made by Mrs. Martin so that she could participate in the “Survivor” series. Since Mrs. Martin was on an approved leave, her position was held open for her, and she returned to this same position upon her return from China. As a District, we make every effort to support our employees, and will continue to do so.

Nancy T. Lane
Superintendent of Schools


Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 12:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Wow if that's true.

Kearie
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07-21-2005

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 12:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kearie a private message Print Post    
Very Wow!

Stacey718995
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07-06-2007

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 12:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Stacey718995 a private message Print Post    
I wondered last night about this. I know our custodial staff makes more money. It would be considered a promotion here as well.

This will definitely change some opinions

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
I also, inexplicably, found myself hoping Courtney would pull out a surprise victory. But, I've been a Todd fan all along, so I'm pleased with the result. I was happy with the final four, as I have liked all of them this season. However, I lost alot of respect for Amanda and Denise last night, for the reasons already stated by others.

It is always such a shock to see them cleaned up and with weight back on. I hated Todd's haircut. He looked like a rooster. Courtney was quite pretty. I'm guessing she put on at least 20 pounds, but it looked really good on her.

Shelb724
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10-20-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 12:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Shelb724 a private message Print Post    
triple wow. and do you think they'll take back the $50,000?