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Nerovh
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06-11-2005

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 7:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
It would be kind of hilarious to see Todd get blindsided. I just want PG out first because I can't stand her lol. I'd make a terrible Survivor player, I'd be voting out who I just couldn't stand all the time heehee.

Biginjapan
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07-23-2005

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biginjapan a private message Print Post    
Todd and Amanda are running things....the others should do something but i don't think they will. PG seems the only one that could organize something.

It will be interesting to see what Denise does this next week after being left out of both the reward and the vote. She needs to make a play.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 9:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I still say the point is not whether or not James would give up the idol. The point is that Todd resents the fact that James has not even mentioned it. If Todd should have asked, then by the same token, shouldn't James have said something, anything about how the idols are going to be used.

And yes, he did find one himself, but he had no idea where it was until Todd told him. All I am saying is that for his own sake, James should be careful about ticking off Todd. This is not the playground or the corner bar, it is a game for a million bucks. Use a little finess in your interactions with those who are supposed to be your allies.

And although he doesn't know it, Todd almost sent him packing this week, but instead turned on JR who ticked him off. Just saying.

OK so I misworded it. I should have said the only one not picked. But they could have sent her on the trip. It is their game and they set the rules.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 9:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
BuddyTV Interview with Jean-Robert

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 10:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
So now we know why he's good at poker - he annoys his fellow competitors so much they lose their concentration!!

Chy
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07-19-2003

Friday, November 09, 2007 - 11:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
1) I still say Todd was a little nervous about what J-R could do if he was dealt with all the cards! Todd clearly said, ... in a few hours JR came up with the same idea(Blindsiding James)which took himself a few days to cook up!!

2) JR sabotaged himself before the game even started. He never bothered to watch all the past season of the show which they were each given as home work. He wasted all those alone time in the hotel. He didn't even know about hidden ii, never mind "the other aspect of the social game". He just thought it was a "head game". Remember the way he worked on people to think they were itchy during the IC?? What can you say.

Kitt, I'll try to find some info about AnYi. But I don't think the windows were 1000 y.o. Usually the "stories" should be about their ancestor. Maybe someone in the family tree was a General for the Royals at some point...

Roppiepie
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05-06-2004

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 1:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roppiepie a private message Print Post    
I don't see where there is any compelling reason for James to give an II to Todd. This game isn't exactly about truth and honor! Amanda is the brains and Todd is her puppet, IMHO.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 7:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
My "dream" F2 -- James and Amanda! :-)

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 8:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Dang, Amanda barely registers for me. I hardly remember anything about her. I need to pay better attention to her.

My F2 wish list would be James and Denise.

I like Todd a lot too because I think he's studied the game a lot and appreciates it more than some one like say Courtney.

my memory isn't that great but with the preview for next week they showed Jeff say something like -not so fast we aren't finished yet- I somewhat remember him doing that once before when there was a surprise double eviction? Anyone remember that? If that does happen James better use his other idol because unless he wins immunity his name should come up both times.

Nerovh
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06-11-2005

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 9:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
My big fear is that James will win immunity next week, and not even TAKE his idol to TC. Then the others will be able to pick him right off at the second eviction.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
James has admitted to being socially inept so I dont think it occurs to him(like it would to us) to at least offer one of the II. If it had he would do a confessional talking about how he will never give one up, why he is surprised Todd never asked for one, etc.

if you listen to some of his past confessionals it is pretty clear the thought never crosses his mind that keeping both would be frowned upon

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 11:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
I don't blame James for keeping both idols. Todd was dumb to give them to him.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 12:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Hey, if we didn't like Todd as much as many of us do, I don't think we'd be expecting the idols to be given back. If Jean-Robert gave an idol to James or Amanda or someone we liked, I think we'd be like "dumb move, sucka!"

Honestly, if you expected use of an immunity idol, you should have never given it away in the first place. Objectively, it was a stupid move on Todd's individual part.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 12:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
He definitely shouldn't have given it to him in the first place and worse without even asking for anything in return. I don't even know why he gave it to him. It was completely unnecessary for a couple of reasons.

a) They could have simply thrown the challenge and voted out Sherea (which is what they ended up doing anyway when they lost the challenge).

b) James could have simply got the second idol at the other team's camp and used it if needed.

Baaaaaad plan on Todd's part.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 1:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I don't think Todd's silliness for a) giving up the idol unnecessarily and b) not putting conditions on it excuses or explains James' not giving it back. James has shown that he is loyal in other ways, so I think Pamy is right that it just hasn't occurred to him that he should return it, or at least offer to return it later if needed. Socially, that's a very strange way to behave but he has said he's not good socially. I think ironically he might be safer in the game with one idol than with two.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 2:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
also Todd could have told him, I will give you this one but you if you find the one at your camp you have to give it to me. I am sure James would have happily agreed.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 5:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Jimmer, however one calculates it w. or w/o hind sight, giving James the Hii was a fool-proof plan at the time.
It was the 100% sure way James would stay and wait to be used by Todd later. James to be used, not Hii, :-)

Besides, that was clearly the way Todd chose to use the Hii. If I were tptb, when and if James decides to return the ii, I might even tell them: No, Todd already used it once.

But it would have been nicer of James to at least offer Todd. I think any normal person would have run to Todd with joy, and say: Thanks so much for the security you gave me earlier! Now that I found another one as well, here's yours back. Let us make a deal trying to go to the final two together. After that, may the best man win!

I'm very certain that Todd will still find a way to rid James even if James gave the ii back and they make an alliance and so on. But James will then forever enjoy the same adoration fans pay Yao-Man till eternity!

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 5:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
also Todd could have told him, I will give you this one but you if you find the one at your camp you have to give it to me. I am sure James would have happily agreed.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 5:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
"I think any normal person would have run to Todd..."

We have normal people playing on Survivor? Since when??

I think James IS "normal" -- he's playing hard, he's upfront that he's playing hard -- and if giving back the idol hasn't occurred to him, I don't think that makes him "abnormal."

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 6:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I think it makes him abnormal. He hasn't (that we have been shown) even mentioned his debt to Todd. If he said Todd was foolish for not making a deal that would be one type of normal; if he said he felt bad about not giving one back but hey, Survivor's a game and he's playing to win, that would be one sort of normal; if he offered it back that would be one sort of normal. Not seeming to recognise that he owes Todd is adnormal - at least in my world it is. Likeable and hot, but abnormal ;).

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 11:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I think some of you are missing the point. It is not about whether James is right or not in not giving back the idol. Or whether Todd was stupid to give it to him without strings attached. That is obvious. It is not a moral issue, it is a practical issue.

It is about pissing off Todd by not even mentioning the idol. James considers himself in an alliance with Todd. Why would he do anything to make Todd question his loyalty?

Whether he is doing it deliberately or because he just didn't think about it, is beside the point. Todd is definitely resentful about it. And the way Todd has been all over the place lately, it could be a big mistake.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 3:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
We have normal people playing on Survivor? Since when??

LOL, Teach!
I actually meant "any normal/any other" survivor player. All of them should be working strategies constantly. But given James' circumstance, he should probably think harder than any one else for a plan to farther himself in the game. The fact that he's physically the strongest and the only player holding Hiis is not a good place to be. "Any normal Survivor player would be thinking of ways to make this situation work for them rather than relying on fate or magic!

I would have told Todd and Amanda(James should know by now how those two functions) something like, let us go to the F3 together. These Hiis are for all of us to use. We shall each be trying our best to earn the II and vote as a block. When any of us is in danger, Hiis are here to be the protection.
James could then tell Todd and Amanda that if they screw with him, he would vote and campaign for whomever the third person to win it all. If he thinks that F2 was the end game, grab each of them on the side and make seperate F2 pack(sp?) in the same fashoin.

They still could plot and rid of James early after his deal-making. But that would have been the "Normal" way to play. You say thank you with action when some castaway went out of their way to save you. You use everything you've got to secure a better place in the game, be it muscels or Hiis!! That's why I said "any normal person would.....".

I'm not calling him names, :-), just feeling bad for him about opportunity missed!

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 3:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Chy I love your plan, I wish James would think of it

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 5:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
James has said himself that he is not adept socially - if he isn't, then he isn't! And I fear it is going to come back to bite him in a very attractive a$$!

Y2krazy
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09-17-2002

Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 7:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Y2krazy a private message Print Post    
I think if Todd wanted the idol back, he should have told James..I'm lending you this idol if you need it this week..find the other one and give this one back to me...

He didn't..he said here's the idol.