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Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 8:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
Well, Puzzled, that is indeed quite puzzling, since that was not shown on the tv show.

Yes, in that that was left out, it was, IMO, misleading on Probst's part.

And while I suppose she cannot be faulted for not knowing more about Buddhism, if she did, she would have known that Buddhists do not bow as a method of worship

Would your average Saudi, or Icelander or Spaniard, etc., known any more about Buddhism than Leslie? How simple it would have been if she'd been told that.

Leslie may find this game a difficult one in which to be so conscientious.

I agree.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 8:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
sure I like James. So far he's been quiet and maybe a bit awkward socially, but he has the charm that you would expect from someone in the south.

I haven't really seen enough of him to know if he's very good at the behind the scenes stuff, but he's definately a threat in the challenges.

Doublethink
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08-23-2006

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 8:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Doublethink a private message Print Post    
Oh - maybe there will be a "Who finds James sexy and why?" Now that's a thread I wouldn't have to avoid like the plague - lol!

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 11:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Sorry, first time to look at this thread, so haven't read it all. Perhaps somebody has already covered this point. If not, it is from my personal experience in visiting Buddhist temples in Thailand and China. It is what I posted a couple days ago on another message board.

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Where we saw Courtney being corrected, it was because she was committing grievous insults. She was pointing her steepled fingers at the buddha statues. One must never point one's hands, arms, even feet at the buddha statues. They should have been given a do and don't briefing before they went in.
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And, to get back to general discussions - yes, it amazes me too that every season building an adequate shelter as soon as possible often turns out to be the very most important thing a tribe does, and yet one or both of the tribes flubs it every year.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Monday, September 24, 2007 - 6:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
James is Hot

wanted to get the ball rolling

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Monday, September 24, 2007 - 6:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
LOL Maris

Nerovh
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06-12-2005

Monday, September 24, 2007 - 7:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
At first when they showed James working so hard and being so quiet, I thought "Uh oh, he's po'd about having to do all that work." But then when he atarted talking to Leslie, he immediately won me over with his shy, quiet personality. I honestly didn't pay much attention to how he looked until I saw how nice a personality he seems to have. After all, look at some of the supposed hotties that have been on Survivor before and then opened their mouths and destroyed any hotness they ever had.

I think the ladies are just glad to finally find someone who's insides seem to be as nice as his outside, lol.

Trini
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07-06-2004

Monday, September 24, 2007 - 10:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trini a private message Print Post    
quote:when CNN will show us snips of Chinese priests officiating Christmas Eve's Mass in BeiJing/NanJing!!

..Yes but it is done underground, why are Catholic Priests still being murdered? (Like 2 months ago) I'll send you the article if you like.

Trini
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07-06-2004

Monday, September 24, 2007 - 12:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trini a private message Print Post    
?

Panda
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07-15-2005

Monday, September 24, 2007 - 1:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
And, to get back to general discussions - yes, it amazes me too that every season building an adequate shelter as soon as possible often turns out to be the very most important thing a tribe does, and yet one or both of the tribes flubs it every year.


My thoughts exactly! I would be trying everything to get that shelter up! I'd probably be voted out first, too! LOL

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, September 24, 2007 - 2:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Sorry, if that ? was for me. I just got back from work. Trini, those services were NOT underground.

I'm thinking if you search high & low, there's a Catholic priest murdered some where in the world in a period of time...
Presently, I'm a bit lost of touch with those since the last priest I knew were released in the nineties.. Fr. Gong?? from NYC?

As a few posters has been trying to say, ALL RELIGIONS WERE CODAMMENED BY COMMUNIST GOVERMENT FOR A LONG WHILE. If anything, the Budhhists had it worse since there wasn't any International organizations or Mother Countries to come to their aid!

At this time, China is concentrating on building an image of a mature member in the world-wide community. Even before that decision, they were never about to make Buddhism the only religion in the land! The Chinese people are just naturally drawn to the religion which has been passed down to them for more than 1.500 years!
My father said the Chinese Buddhism is already woven within and with our own color and culture. It's now sooo mixed with Taoism and Confucian that it's very different from it's original form that was imported to us from India.

I will also re-iterate that, although I myself still feel very uncomfortable in the temples, and I may have done the exact same thing Leslie did. But I would think that, should I have stayed under the same circumstances, it could have been viewed as an acting job and not hurting my own believe or my own relationship with whom I view as the Creator.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Monday, September 24, 2007 - 3:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Chy - it is so amazing to have you here to assist us in seeing things from an Asian perspective which can be quite different from our own -

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Monday, September 24, 2007 - 6:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
I am loving James. Even though we haven't really seen much of his personality I think he is going to have a very large fan base.

Karen
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09-07-2004

Monday, September 24, 2007 - 6:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karen a private message Print Post    
I, too, am loving your insight, Chy.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Monday, September 24, 2007 - 6:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Ditto that Karen and Tnt.

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Monday, September 24, 2007 - 9:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Thanks too Chy!

Chy
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07-19-2003

Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Thank you guys!! It's a nice surprise to come to all these kind words after a busy time.
I'm just glad that at least in this forum, in some small way, I could try to share other views. As I've told you before, my children and I did come across a few unpleasant experiences for being Chinese(half Chinese in their cases). I am convinced that the only way to change wrong ideas is to tell the truth, the story from the other side.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 1:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
There has been a lot of critism of Leslie and a lot of suggestions that people from other religions would not have refused to participate in the ceremony?

I am not a Catholic, but I have visited Catholic churches many times. One of the customs I have witnessed and participated in is turning and shaking hands with those around you. If a Buddist monk was visiting in the church and this happened, should he refuse to shake hands with a woman who offered her hand, or should he go ahead so as not to offend?

If a devout Jew finds himself at a friend's house for dinner and discovers that roast pork is being served, should he refuse to eat the roast pork or should he go ahead and eat it so as not to offend?

If a devout Muslim is offered an acholic drink should he refuse it or should he go ahead and drink it so as not to offend?

I seriously doubt that anyone would think those people were somehow "obligated" to do something in violation of their beliefs but Christians who stand by their beliefs are somehow rude?

I do not think it is my place to judge a person's committment to their beliefs, no matter what it is. To me that is the very essence of violating the priciple of freedom of religion and would feel very arrogrant doing

Do you really believe that she was just being rude or acting in a flippant matter?

Come on, the woman was upset and crying. It hurt her deeply to do what she did. She did not want to offend, it would have been much easier to just go along with it like so many have suggested she do.

To me she showed a lot of character to do what she did. I am not sure I would have had that much courage. To somehow suggest that she is narrow minded or not tolerant of others is in my opinion very unfair.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 1:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I agree that someone who is visiting should not feel compelled to participate in some action that is contrary to his or her religious beliefs. So someone whose religious belief entails not eating certain foods or performing certain acts should be excused from doing it.

However, in Leslie's specific situation as a Christian, I think that what some people are questioning is her interpretation of Christianity and how she is applying Christian beliefs in this situation. Some believe that being a Christian she should have participated. So people's views of whether or not she should have participated are more dependent on their interpretation of Christianity and how it applies in this situation than on whether or not a religious person in general should be expected to do something that goes against their religion.

Seabreeze
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09-05-2004

Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 1:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seabreeze a private message Print Post    
The scriptures are quite clear. I would not have bowed either.

I really think that in our society, Christians are held to a higher standard than other religions in that it is easier to slam a Christian than any other devout believer of a faith.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
So what it comes down to is that some people expect Leslie to intepret Christianity the same way they do. Is that not itself doing exactly what they were accusing her of doing?

Many people make the mistake of lumping all Christians into a single entity. Anyone who knows anything at all about the history of Christiantiy knows that is not possible. As with most religions, there is a wide range of beliefs.

Funny, that some people critize Leslie for being narrow minded and not open to "other" cultures, while being narrow minded and not open to her beliefs and culture. Interesting.

As far as being rules based, show me a single religion on the face of the earth that does not have its rules. I sincerely doubt that you can find one. There are always rules. Some people calle them beliefs.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 2:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Well, not all monks are forbidden to touch women, not all Jews are concerned about eating pork, and not all Muslims abstain from alcoholic beverages either. That was also lumping all those of a particular faith into a single entity as well. Just sayin... :-)

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 2:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
I agree Allietex.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 3:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
I surely am hoping something else to talk about occurs tomorrow night!

I think agreeing to disagree might be the way to go here -

My HS motto was;

"We agree not to think alike but to walk together." Not altogether a bad plan -

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 3:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
In Allietex's scenarios, if the Jew didn't want to eat the pork that would be fine. They could eat the salad and the bread. But if they refused to sit at the table and eat anything, then yes, I would think that was rude.

I think it will be interesting to see how much Leslie is willing to experience another culture over the coming weeks. If she continues to reject these experiences then I'm going to be even more disappointed that she volunteered for an adventure she's not prepared to partake in.