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Chy
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07-19-2003
| Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 9:24 pm
That's all for now, a title: Ride the Workhorse Till the Tail Falls Off But we know from Jeff's spoiler that, the famous White Board said: Great Balls of Fire. On top of that, we saw fire works of some sort in the preview tonight! Put them together, I say we could expect a NIGHT CHALLENGE!!
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Friday, October 05, 2007 - 6:25 am
"CBS Misdirection for Episode 4" Seashells saved for Mom prompt an explosive fight between Sherea and Dave at Zhan Hu. Jean-Robert tries to help Courtney from burning herself on a kettle. In return for the helpful warning, Courtney snaps back! Later, both tribes receive tree mail telling them they must go to Tribal Council.
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Friday, October 05, 2007 - 6:35 am
Episode 4 Reward Challenge per TDT: *************************** For the first time Survivor has the contestants set off fireworks on the night of July 4th. We learn this from the CBS-provided behind-the-scenes Jeff Probst video, which show this challenge to be called "Great Balls of Fire," and apparently shot at night at the tribal council location. SEG pyrotechnician Simon Ross described this challenge on the TV Guide channel preview: "One of the challenges... involves picking up fireballs with chopsticks, putting them into a trough. It rolls down, falls into a wok filled with flash powder, which sets off a fuse, and then sets off fireworks." Also from the production office's calendar, as pointed out at Sucks by birdlady, the reward is "local fishermen with cormorants." "At a certain point there's a reward that lets a family come in and show you how you need to fish to get fish out of the water."
As for the challenge itself, there appear to be three flash pots to light up per tribe.
So who wins? Fei Long has a slight lead in the shot above (Zhan Hu is only just lighting their first yellow pot, in the foreground, while Fei Long's first red one is already lit). Not that this necessarily means much.

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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Friday, October 05, 2007 - 6:46 am
Regarding the Immunity Challenge per TDT: ************************ So far, we know absolutely nothing about this challenge from the challenge board. But Jeff Probst himself has leapt into the breach, narrating a YouTube video that previews the trek to this challenge and some of the props from the challenge itself. The challenge is called "Warriors' Duel," and apparently involves the contestants dressing up in replica historical Chinese warrior armor. Which is at least a novel look for a Survivor challenge. The armor is apparently to keep them from injuring themselves, since the bolas they're flinging around look fairly lethal.
Who wins? We think the most likely boot candidates here are Sherea and Dave, so Fei Long probably wins this one. Also, they think that Sherea is closer to her tribemates, so TDT leans to a Dave boot. I'm not so sure about that. Somewhere Chy and I have a list where we had Sherea and Leslie going before Dave, so there is more work to be done here.
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Friday, October 05, 2007 - 11:36 am
Insider Clips --- Behind the Scenes: What was said at the voting confessional as Leslie was voted out in Episode 3: ***************** Tribal Voting What did the members of Fei Long have to say as they voted out Leslie? Find out now. Aaron (Leslie): Sorry, mother hen, but all your chicks in China are grown up. Jean-Robert ("Sister Christian"): I think there's a couple ballots out there with my name on it. I have to vote for you to vote with the consensus. The person who should be going home tonight is Courtney. James ("Leslie"): We're at the part of the game now where we can't take any chances to go flip with the other team. Courtney ("J Robert"): I'm voting for you because when you snore at nighttime it sounds like someone is choking a walrus, and also because we're like archnemeses, we hate each other. You should have seen this coming. I bet you voted for me." Amanda ("Mom" - she takes a while to actually write the words and read her vote): Mom, it breaks my heart to do this to you, but it feels like you're too close to the other tribe right now. I'm so sorry. Good luck with everything. Denise (Leslie): I hate to see you go, you did a good job around camp, but I don't need preaching to, I already got a mother. Thank you. Leslie (Jean-Robert): My vote is for Jean-Robert, mostly because I'm not writing down Courtney's name. Todd ("Mom" with a sad face): I really didn't want to do this, but you know the game, Mom. When people vote one way you've gotta go with them. Love you.
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Friday, October 05, 2007 - 4:31 pm
Shots from the Reward Challenge: I believe both tribes get tree-mail to report to Tribal Council, and they probably go thinking they are going to vote somebody else, but the clues say that the Tribal Council background is where the fireworks takes place.
This appears to be the first attempt by Zhan Hu as Dave and Erik try to pick up the fire with two sticks in a chopstick fashion. I can see 2 more sets of poles behind on the right for Zhan Hu, and parts of 2 more sets to the left as Fei Long is just starting out also. I have to shrink the pictures to get them here, but my picture was much larger and the sticks were very visible.
This appears to be the 2nd go at it with Frosti and Jaime up, so obviously Dave and Erik were successful.
This appears to be the first attempt going on at the same time by Fei Long with James and Jean-Robert. Also, Courtney appears to be sitting out.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, October 05, 2007 - 7:18 pm
Ginger, thx for the confessionals!! quote "I have a list where we had Sherea and Leslie going before Dave, so there is more work to be done here." I thought Dave was spoiled to go this week..well before the girls....is there another list?
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Friday, October 05, 2007 - 7:58 pm
Yes, Pamy, over in the general spoilers thread about halfway down second archive. Willwillbee brought it over from True Dork Times. Here: ../9204/4710781.html"#E7EFEF"> | Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, October 05, 2007 - 8:33 pm
aahhh i see there were 2 lists.....i guess the 1st one will be more accurate
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Friday, October 05, 2007 - 10:05 pm
Ginger, great job! I'm glad you're doing this. I shall bring over the weather report soon. I had a lot of discussions with people in charge of other sites preseason. I know why and how things came about and am almost tired of them right now. -- Doesn't help I have pain in my right arm and lower back these days. Almost forgot, I came here to say that, your insider clips deserve its own thread. Not many posters come to spoiler area these days for the obvious reason. But those are not spoilers. Those will give our people a better sense of the castaway, and will better the viewing pleasure of the next episode! VolcanicGlass from Survivor Phoenix has a convo going on with me about the Hii. I'm in pain right now, but I will like to start a thread later just for the Hii. I know she's cool with my using her caps and words.
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 5:59 am
Hey Pamy ... regarding two lists: This is one that I put together in the Spoiler thread before the show from information Chy had knowledge of and from information I had gotten by visiting the other sites like I do. I put this together based on the things we thought we knew. F16 - Chicken Man - Steve F15 - Ashley F13/F14 - Leslie/Sherea F10/F11/F12 - Aaron/Dave/Jaime F8/F9 - Eric/Jean-Robert F6/F7 -Frosti/James F5 - Peih-Gee F4 - Denise F3 - Courtney/Amanda/Todd? This is the list that was brought over (that Chy linked in an above post) that was from TDT. Obviously, the entry of Dave as 3rd was incorrect. Most of us, including myself, really thought Dave was going based on this list. 1-3-Amanda 1-3-Todd 1-3-Courtney 4-Denise 5-Peih-Gee 6-Erik 7-James 8-Frosti 9-Jaime 10-Jean-Robert 11-13-Aaron 11-13-Sherea 11-13-Leslie 14-Dave 15-Ashley 16-Chicken So, if you compare the two lists, the one at the top was more correct since Leslie went 3rd (at F14) and not Dave. Of course, that doesn't mean that the list in incorrect after that. Comparing the two, I would say that the Boot this week is going to be either Dave or Sherea, but there are not enough promos and pics out yet for me to make a decision which way I want to guess yet!
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 6:04 am
Hey Chy ... I put the Insider Clips here because what was said at the confessional wasn't shown on the show, and some people do not want to know. They consider it spoiling. But, I do start the post off with words that people who are monitoring the latest posts can see that they are up and they can click in just to read that one latest post. There are way too many at T.V. Clubhouse that do not want to know any of the spoiling, so I'm trying to be careful not to offend. Believe me, I had to learn the hard way.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 8:43 am
yep non spoilers will ream ya if you slip up! which I understand. The one time I didnt spoil myself for an eppy was when Christi (deaf girl that I adored) was booted and I had no idea and it upset me so much that I wished I had read it earlier so I would have been prepared.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 10:23 am
But, but, but, ... I'm only talking about the part when each of them say something before writing the name of the booted on the parchment paper??? That's not spoilers. SEG?CBS even choose a couple of them to "misdirect" us as they cast votes. In the olden days, they used to show that part plus the thoughts by the booted as they run credits! I myself was starting to think of Denise as invisible until the insider clip! So I shared that part in the discussion thread where some one was wondering the same. :p
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 11:25 am
Yes, I understand that you are talking about the verbalization that goes along with what they say before and when and after they write on the parchment paper while they are at the confessional. In the past the end of the show would show each person holding up their card, but I don't remember it letting us hear what they were saying. Some of them give away things in what they are saying, like who they have an alliance with ... So ...... since some people consider revealing what they say in the booth as potential spoiling, I've kept it here. Believe it or not, some people even like to insult people who spoil the show. I've had it happen to me more than once. One time there was a poster who came into these spoiler threads and attacked me for putting information in that was spoiling, and a lot of the readers jumped on that person and told them if they didn't want to be spoiled, to stay out of the Spoiling Thread. Can you believe that?
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Urgrace
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08-19-2000
| Saturday, October 06, 2007 - 12:29 pm

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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 10:05 am
THE REWARD CHALLENGE PROMPTS FIREWORKS...LITERALLY, ON "SURVIVOR: CHINA"
· Sherea's work ethic, or lack thereof, is beginning to bother her tribe mates. · An ominous tree mail instructing both tribes to meet at Tribal Council prompts fireworks. · The fourth person is voted off the island, on SURVIVOR: CHINA, Thursday, Oct. 11 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. ******************************** Okay....I've been having a bit of a problem with the firewords being at Tribal Council and also being the Reward Challenge, but this seems to back it up. Both TDT and Survivor Fever show the firewords being the Reward Challenge and the gladiator-looking thing being Immunity Challenge.
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 12:27 pm
Yes, Ginger. It's confusing yet it's simple! According to the insider ..... am I suppose to la-di-ta and waste some space now??? This RC would be at the grounds where the TC is held. It was done in real time on July 4th!
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 1:48 pm
Chy, just saying "Yes, Ginger. It's confusing yet it's simple!" is about the amount of space you need to protect those looking at the new posts that do not want to be spoiled. I try to start each post out with 6 to 8 words that don't mean anything or spoil anything, and then I feel safe. Some people like to do the La-da-ta, but it's not necessary. Now that I know for sure that the gladiator-looking thing is the Immunity Challenge, I've got these 3 pictures.
The two teams go against each other, two on a team at a time, and try to break those porcelain vases you see on the stands on the poles using a bamboo stick in one hand and a bolo (is that what it's called?) in the other.
This is Jaime and Erik from Zhan Hu on the playing field. In the background you can see (from L. to R.) Frosti, P.G., Sherea, and "good ole" Dave (LOL).
This is a close-up of the Bolo (sp???) swinging in action!
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 9:19 pm
Thanks so much, Ginger!! I, personally, am happy to see those costumes.. at least for one competition we don't have to see anyone naked and/or half dressed, and hopefully no blur dots needed 
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Monday, October 08, 2007 - 7:23 am
I guess we could always say some greetings first. That'll make us the most polite bunch at least. Remember one of those videos from Jeff, behind the scene? It's probably something with the word Challenge in it. This IC was featured in it. We only knew from the bamboo tunnel. There was a picture of Jeff standing in front of the Bamboo tunnel with arms on his waist way back in July. You don't know how anxious I am to see this Challenge. Never mind, the Upload Attachment won't open for me ... 
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Monday, October 08, 2007 - 7:58 am
Howdy! I'm back again! This reward is what makes me think. Plus the the interview with Leslie and the pre-show interview Jeff did which I re-post below. It's a wander James did not just beg them to vote him off so he could have food! "In the very beginning it's hard. It rained a lot and it was very muddy. I think maybe in the second episode one tribe comes back to their camp and its flooded out," said Probst. "Those kind of things are so demoralizing... It got off to a tough start... The difficulty was the heat and the rain initially. It was blistering hot... There was that, and the fishing was difficult, because these waters have to be fished a certain way and that does come into play. At a certain point there's a [Reward Challenge] that lets a family come in and show you how to fish." Despite the fact that fishing the Zhelin Lake is a complicated endeavor, Probst said Survivor: China castaways will still have the opportunity to win fishing gear. "That's always a staple, winning fishing gear. Palau had so many fish, Pearl Islands had so many fish. This isn't the same," he said. "It's a different kind of fishing, so that was part of the struggle." Due to a lack of native food sources (coconuts, shellfish, the occasional wild boar, etc.) that most previous Survivor locations have featured, each Survivor: China tribe was supplied with bags of rice. "They wouldn't have made it without rice. No chance," he said. "We gave them rice, and then the first tribe gets the chance to win fire and the second tribe gets fire after Tribal Council because there's just no way without it. The difficulty is rice is not enough." But, unless the fishing family loans their Cormorants to the winning tribe, how are they to do the special way of "Catching fish with Cormorants Birds" after the family is gone? So, to me, this reward would only be good if one or two birds stay with them the rest of the time. Or else poor James will never get anything to eat other than tiny crabs and snails(Leslie told). Disclaimer: No idea who wins RC, just good thoughts for James. 
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Monday, October 08, 2007 - 11:06 am
Are these the pictures you are looking for Chy?
Jeff - during his "Behind the Scenes"

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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Monday, October 08, 2007 - 11:34 am
That's them! Thanks, Ginger. Could you just imagine us pulling our hair in July trying to figure out what that was about? :-D
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Monday, October 08, 2007 - 1:08 pm
I forgot to do the weather report for the actuall filming days! These were from ZLH, not NanChang which is two hours away by "Trucks". Episode 4 Day 10 (4th July) Wednesday Predominant Weather:Cloudy all day Temp:25--35 Wind power: less than 3 ¨Southeast (Whiteboard: traveling to Shanghai) Reward Challenge - Night challenge 19:30-21:00 "Great Balls of Fire" Tribal Council<CHY??? I think it means Challenge held at the grouds of the TC building.> Day 11 (5th July) Thursday Predominant Weather:Sunny all day Temp:26--38 Wind power: less than 3 ¨Southeast "Local fishermen with Cormorants" Challenge crew day off Day 12 (6th July) Friday Predominant Weather:Still Sunny all day Temp:26--37 Wind power: less than 3 ¨Southeast Immunity Challenge: Warrior's Duel Filming in a bamboo forest? <They might end up chopping a lot of them and do it in a clearing. That's what it looks like in the caps so far.> Tribal Council
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 8:19 pm
http://tv.yahoo.com/show/41220/castcrew Something interesting about Jean-Robert! Looks like he's putting his Chinese ability to good use! Everybody hates Dave? ;-) They showed us Sherea, now PG is mentioned as well ...
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 4:59 am
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 5:05 am
The way that Jeff is talking about JR, I don't think JR speaking chinese is the big surprise. Poker players are notoriously generous when it comes to donating tournament winnings to charity - particularly charities involving children. I would not be surprised one bit if JR is going to donate money to some sort of relief organization.
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 6:59 am
I would say that .......... it's pretty evident by this picture that Fei Long wins the Reward Challenge this week.

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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 4:32 pm
Courtney's being talked about on ET, they're questioning the fact that she's too thin, ...
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