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Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 6:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
ITA and if a person is a hard worker they would have little respect for lazy ppl.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 8:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
LadyTex, I still think James would have a better time on FL, that's all. He had Denise who'd work with himand J-R to flap lips about nothing.

If it weren't for the swap, James could probably stay on FL winning IC all the way to Merge. After Merge, he could win some II and make some real alliance and he could find the Hii also! I just don't see why he was so happy about going to a different tribe. I know he didn't jump up & down happy, but he was ready to ditch FL people! I'm just saying, I wonder if he had a change of heart when he sees the way those tigers play! :-)

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 8:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
Isn't James a gravedigger? Seems like a perfect job for someone who doesn't like to listen to people talk.
LOLOLOL

Chy
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07-19-2003

Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 10:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Catfat, what's first though?
Chickens or eggs???

LOLOL

Nerovh
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06-12-2005

Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 2:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
Well, James did admit it himself. He's used to working alone and doesn't know much about the social aspect of the game. I could tell just from the way he was working on the first episode that he is the kind of person who likes to get a job done and isn't much for farting around when work really needs to be done.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, October 22, 2007 - 6:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Wonder if they are going to do the kidnap thing again this week after the reward challenge. If the other team should pick James, he could clue them in about the plan to throw the comps. He could make then think Frosti and Sherea were in on it and that it was the plan from the beginning.

Wouldn't it be funny if they then decided to do the same thing and save James by losing and voting out Frosti or Sherea.

Picture an immunity challenge where BOTH teams are trying to lose to the other. I think it would be hiliarous.

It probably would not happen because Todd would surely block the idea sinse he loves the idea of getting rid of Aaron and James. He knows after the merge, he would have NO chance against them.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, October 22, 2007 - 6:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Chilli, the difference was that Eric's plan was to vote out Aaron or James IF they lost. That was a natural reaction. Has nothing to do with being nice or not. The members of the other team did the same thing.

The girls' plan was to LOSE so they could vote out Aaron or James. Most people don't have a problem with the plan as such. There is no moral issue with it. It is stategy.

It is just that some people question whether it is wise. And many are bothered by the poor sportsmanship of the girls in laughing in James and Aaron's faces and being so flippant about it.

Eric has taken a lot of critism among fans for going along with the plan. And nice is not what most people are calling him at this point. Eric better hope they don't ever have to keep a secret, because if that is the best they can do, they are dead.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Monday, October 22, 2007 - 10:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
If anyone still has their tape from last week....

Go back and look at when James and Aaron are asking Eric "What's up with those girls? Go find out..." Eric is actually trying to stifle a giggle as well. He says something like "I don't know. Do you want me to ask them?" And then goes over to the girls, and asks them, but it seems like he already knew what was up and asking was just a formality while the other two guys were watching. I think creative editing on Survivor's part might be why we think Eric wasn't part of the plan. I don't know that the two girls would throw it without Eric's consent.

I suspect Eric knew the whole time.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Monday, October 22, 2007 - 12:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
I don't think Erik knew.
If he knew and agreed to that play, he could have taken a little longer time in the water. A shallow breath or a simple: "I can't seem to untie those pieces." would be so easy and so much believable!

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Monday, October 22, 2007 - 1:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I don't think Eric knew that they lost on purpose but he knew that "if" they did lose, it would be Aaron and not one of them going home.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Monday, October 22, 2007 - 3:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
I will repeat what I said at the beginning of the season ~ Eric is just wallpaper. He hangs in the background, looks nice but really serves no useful purpose and he forgot to pack his big boy game and he's letting the girl(s) play for him.

I guess I'm not very strategic because I cannot imagine playing a game or participating in a competition and going all out to win.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Monday, October 22, 2007 - 6:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
"does Jamie bother ya too or just the spelling that sounds like Hyme"

No, why?

Urgrace
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08-19-2000

Monday, October 22, 2007 - 7:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Urgrace a private message Print Post    
Jeff Probst does not think highly of people who lose on purpose, because historically they are the real losers along the way and never win, so it's stupid strategy. There was genuine disgust in his voice when he picked up the discarded puzzle piece and threw it on the playing board.

Smartypants
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03-09-2007

Monday, October 22, 2007 - 7:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Smartypants a private message Print Post    
hehehe

Spear
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08-06-2001

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 1:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Ethan was part of the first tribe that threw a team IC and he won the game so it wasn't a stupid strategy for him. Ozzy's tribe did the same thing even without a swap and he still finished 2nd. There are also contestants who've thrown individual ICs without hurting their game -- remember Richard Hatch versus Rudy and Kelly?

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 1:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
I just can't go along with that type of game play though. Even if I wanted to my heart wouldn't let me. I guess I'm too competitive. I want to WIN!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 6:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Sure but the idea is to WIN the entire game - not just every competition possible.

I have no problem with the strategy of throwing a challenge as part of winning the game. What I don't like is the way that they did it when they acted so silly and derisive about it. Aside from not being very nice, it wasn't good game play either.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 7:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
I have no problem with throwing a competition. It depends on the circumstances. It might work for them this time if:

their former tribemates agree to team up with them again after the merge,

the merge happens when they think it will,

something unexpected does not happen, like James finding the immunity idol,

Eric remains loyal.

If not, it could come back to haunt them big time. Frosti and Sherea might make new alliances. After all, Sherea knew she was nearly voted off the last council, so she might not be so loyal to them.

There are just so many things that could happen. It would have been much better if they could have discussed it with Sherea and Frosti before they left.

I wonder what James is going to do? It seems to me that he will try something. I just can't see him meekly going along with everything without trying something. Not sure what he could do, but if he is going to get voted off anyway, it looks like he would spill the beans to the other tribe even if he is not supposed to.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
If ZH loses IC again, I figure James would just ask them to vote him out. :-)

Unless he found the Hii, there reall won't be anyway for James to want to stay there. His pride won't allow him to bag Jaime to keep him. He wanted Jaemi out and did write her name down in the last vote!
But Jaime would have been the decision maker if they shall go to TC again. She controls Erik's vote also. Aaron and James had tested the water with Erik, by now even Jame should know who's with whom on ZH.

Seattlemom
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05-10-2005

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seattlemom a private message Print Post    
My problem with them throwing the challenge was the smirky way they did it! They didn't even try and hide it! I hope the other team noticed and it comes back to haunt them!

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
No, James wrote PGs name last week.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 9:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
My bad, Eeyore's right.

Needmylifeback
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08-14-2000

Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 8:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Needmylifeback a private message Print Post    
I'm thinking the other tribe saw the challenge thrown .. with Jeff's tossing the puzzle piece back on the board .. and saying something to the effect " Here's your "LOST" piece that you didn't need anyway" .. LOL!

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 11:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
The problem for James is that even if he is able to clue them in or if they have figured it out, no one is going to want to take any chances to save him. They all know he is the biggest threat when it comes to individual comps.

There is no reason at all for ZH to lift a finger to help him. He cannot compete for them in the comps and once the merge happens, it will be harder to get rid of him.

If Todd and his alliance are smart what they will do instead, will be to try to convince one FL member to join them and vote out the other FL members.

They should promise to vote out Jon Robert as soon as the merge occurs and stress that the other three FL members are going to be tight. Ask, "Would you rather be a member of a five person tribe (minus JR) or a member of a member four member tribe."

it could work for either Frosti or Sherea, whichever they saw as the most likely to switch, and the most likely to stay loyal.

A lot can happen in the time left.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 12:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I think that Todd and friends need to now suck up to John Robert.

If the merge makes them 5 and 5, you know Frosti and Sherea could EASILY get John Robert to join with the small tribe, and it would be 6 against 4. John Robert knows his days are numbered, and this would be a huge opportunity for him.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 5:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Oooh, I like that scenario, Eeyoreslament! I'd love to see that little drama play out!