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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 2:20 pm
Stacey, I think the spoiler box was just out of caution.. I do think you were only referring to what we know from the previews but it could have been read differently. === Who, Pamy, etc. While I agree that PG wasn't a huge help in that competition, if you still have it to review, or look at pictures in spoilig for this ep, she also had a drum with a very small surface area for bouncing. It is sort of like James was playing with an ultra large tennis raquet head and PG had a ping pong paddle.. so I think they took the drums based on the size of the person which gave the smaller people a much harder task. It also appeared to me that those smaller drums had tighter tops which would bounce higher automatically.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 2:29 pm
It was definitely PG's drum that caused the problem. Considering that I thought she did as well as Todd, who did most of the bouncing. I don't remember seeing Denise bounce it at all, and James didn't seem to have much control despite his wider drum, and just seemed to wander back to the starting point each time, rather than run like the others.
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Nerovh
Member
06-11-2005
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 4:14 pm
I don't think James did very well in the reward challenge, I think he could have done a bit better... but as far as I've seen, PG has NO room to complain about James after the way she and Jaime treated him when they threw that challenge. I don't mean the fact that they threw the challenge, just the blatant, snotty, "you're going home and there's nothing you can do about it" atitude. They were outright gleeful about it to his face. To be honest, if I were James, I certainly wouldn't work very hard to help PG get a good meal lol. James should have just told PG, "Well, I'm good at Sodoku."
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Sallycat22
Member
08-31-2005
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 5:11 pm
Favorite line was James "Get naked !!! Just don't eat the apple!!
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Friday, November 16, 2007 - 5:35 pm
PG had a lot of gall to whine about how she has never won a challenge. She conveniently forgot about the challenge they deliberately threw.
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 10:34 am
For some reason, Courtney is getting on my nerves. She's a little too cutsey. I wish she had gone over Frosti.
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Hummingbird
Member
08-21-2002
| Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 12:17 pm
I really liked Frosti and wanted him to stay. They are probably keeping Courtney around because no one would vote for in the final two. She is doing nothing to be named ultimate survivor. They need to do something to make James use his immunitiy idols. It isn't fair that he has two. He didn't find either one of them on his own. He needs to be humbled.
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Racsan
Member
04-09-2004
| Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 2:33 pm
For some reason, Courtney is getting on my nerves. I've felt that way since the first episode. Which was just last week for me. It's been all about Survivor this past week until I got caught up today. Love my DVR. It isn't fair that he has two. Life isn't fair.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 5:32 pm
What's not fair? He didn't ask for one to be given to him and he didn't ask to be given the information on where to find the second one. Todd did that of his own free will. Honestly, who among us would turn down that unexpected gift? Not me, that's for sure.
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 5:36 pm
Next time, on Survivor - we noticed that Todd's beard was not as heavy and he was shown wearing his red buff.... I open the TV Guide for next week and we're getting the "clip show" next week (but of course they promise "never before seen scenes"). So don't stress about skipping out on your family to watch Survivor on Turkey Day.

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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 9:53 pm
Booo!!! That sucks. I also have to agree with Chilliwilli. It was Todd's OWN mistake that he gave away the idol AND told James about the second one. This is a competition for a MILLION DOLLARS. I think you have every right to keep the idols, if it gives you 2 more weeks of advantage. And it was Todd's choice to give away the idols without asking for them back. He had to weight the options of losing a former tribe mate, versus giving away an idol. I guess he chose wrong. For a guy who is considered so savvy, he certainly made a dense move, by not asking for an idol back at the merge. And it could have gone differently too. He could have given James the idol, and the second one could be not available. James uses the idol that first immunity (had they not won the challenge) and Jamie is gone. Then there's a merge, and Todd STILL has no idol. What then? Todd just made a stupid mistake, and he's blaming someone else for his own stupidity.
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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 11:04 am
Todd should ask for one of the idols. It would be interesting to hear that conversation.
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Nerovh
Member
06-11-2005
| Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 11:19 am
It isn't fait that Aaron and James/Frosti and Sherea got switched tribes mid-game. It isn't fair that Jaime/PG were able to throw a challenge and act like a couple of children over booting Aaron. That's just the way it goes in Survivor. Todd has been in no danger of being booted at all yet. He gave that idol to James for his OWN benefit, not out of the goodness of his heart. If he feels threatened, then he should ask for one of the idols instead of whining about it. It's funny that Todd can condemn James for keeping both idols, but he considers himself "smart" for turning on James, who has been loyal to him so far. One of the things I find interesting about Survivor is the hypocrisy that the players display every single season.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 1:00 pm
Great post Nerovh!
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 8:38 pm
Frosti Interview
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Monday, November 19, 2007 - 8:03 am
I agree, Nerovh, about the hpocrisy in all reality games. No one ever seems to see the things they do, but can condemn what the others do. At the same time, if you are in that situation, it is well to be aware of what someone eles is thinking and feeling, even if it is illogical. Sometimes that person can hold your fate in his hands. Todd being resentful of James may be illogical, but he still obviously feels that way. And it would be to James' adventage to try to calm Todd's resentment. James should not feel so safe because he has the idols that he just ignores how the others feel. Those idols will only protect him two times, that is if he uses them at the right time. As a pedistrian, you may feel you have the right of way in a walk zone, but if you see an 18 wheeler barreling down on you, it would be prudent to not push your rights. James may be in the right about the idols, but is he wise to ignore Todd?
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Nerovh
Member
06-11-2005
| Monday, November 19, 2007 - 8:20 am
But has Todd actually shown James that he is miffed over the idol situation? I've only seen him complaining about it when James was nowhere near. I agree that it would be better for James if he were more intuitave about how the others are feeling. I think this is where his lack of social game is hurting him. James' lack of intuitive skills, however, does not change the fact that Todd is coming across as a bit petulant at times. He's acting like one of those people who gets his nose out of joint and then gets even more po'd because the other person doesn't just automatically know why he is mad. I think James is more straight-forward when he is irritated, and probably expects Todd to be as well. It's just a bad, bad personality combination, and I hope it bites Todd in the butt instead of James lol.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Monday, November 19, 2007 - 10:52 am
You're right. James may not realize how Todd feels. He does seem sometimes to not tune in to what others are thinking or feeling. And like you say, Todd did not go to him, he just complained to other people. It could be that he is holding that back to use against James. It would be a way to make James look selfish and ungrateful. And I agree about Todd and his attitude. At times he seems to be really playing a good game, other times, he seems really flakey. He is the poster child for thinking the game revolves around him and that everyone should be working to help HIM win. That is one aspect of reality players' personalities that really bug me. I also hate how they seem to have throw a way people. I think Denise falls into this category. They expect her to be loyal, work her butt off to help them win, vote the way they want, but they keep her out of the loop and when the time comes, they will dump her and think she should be grateful for keeping her as long as they did. I just hate that attitude.
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