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Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 1:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
If she was working nights as she said, there is normally shift differential which also increases the salary.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 1:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I think Denise is one of life's victims. Or that's how she sees herself. She was ALMOST winning me over, but towards the end she got very whiny.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I think Amanda probably felt bad to some extent, but I didn't like how she seemed to still blame Todd and Courtney for her own actions. No one held her hand when she wrote down Denise's name. No one told her to tell Denise she wouldn't write down her name.

And while it was probably good strategy she did try to be the sweet one while promoting the description of Todd as the manipulator, and she sure didn't like it when Todd grinned and Jeff inquired and Todd sort of outed Amanda on the Denise issue.

And I'm not saying that Denise had that much of a complaint.. she just seemed to expect/hope to be kept in the game, and her attempt at making a deal with Amanda, I mean, Denise had nothing to offer Amanda that would cause Amanda to hand immunity to Denise. Denise couldn't have controlled Todd and Courtney.. so the only purpose of her "deal offer" was to try to rattle Amanda so she'd lose.

Wow about that letter from the school district.. I'm guessing Mark Burnett won't be making snap decisions like that again, without verifying a sob story.

Also interesting that Denise chose to be labelled as "The Lunch Lady"; probably thought it sounded more appealing, more harmless..

As I already said, I found myself liking Courtney more last night and noted more than once during the evening that she was sounding quite articulate. This is not to dismiss her trash talking about Denise, though I agree with the opinion that Denise shouldn't be rewarded because she thought she "needed" the money more.

Denise cannot have it both ways. When they had the challenge involving the family members, she mentioned worrying that others might be afraid to keep her around because she had the best "package", a great husband and kids and they could observe her with her husband.

Then last night she basically accused them of keeping her out of F3 because she had "nothing" to go back to!

Allie, good point, of course she didn't know about the extra $50,000! But she might have borrowed money based on her fourth place projected winnings.

And I suspect her "karate studio" is more like a garage or bedroom. When I bought my condo, the former owner had the bonus room over the garage set up with mirrors on one wall, a makeshift "dressing room" and a big hook in the ceiling where I gather he had a heavy bag hanging or something and I was told he gave lessons in some martial art.

You could start such a studio cheaply, but you'd be setting yourself up for potential lawsuits if there was an injury.

Interesting point about f2 final vs f3. I've always been a fan of F2 final and it seemed that really it usually came down to just two being in the running, or even just one, but then I'd have considered Courtney to be the "third" on the totem pole and she wasn't. No matter the reason for the votes, she got two of them and I think John Robert was leaning toward voting for her until Todd flattered him.

A tie would have been very interesting!

Kc103
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07-13-2004

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 3:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kc103 a private message Print Post    
Wow, very interesting link Spear. Thanks for posting it. It definitely puts a different spin on her situation. As I mentioned in my last post, I know that the custodians make substantially more than the lunch program workers at our school. Perhaps it was the trade-off of missing family time that Denise is unhappy about, but if the district's statement is true then it sounds like it was her choice. I think if Mark Burnett chose to do that for Denise he should have done it after the show. (JMO) It was a very nice think to do, but to me it starts to take away more from the point of actually winning the game when they start to hand out prizes to other contestants also.

And how exactly did Courtney even get on Survivor this year? Did they actively recruit her or something? She took great pride in not liking it, not knowing anything about the show, etc. Was she kidnapped and brought there or something?? I didn't catch "the finger" incident last night as I was working on some needlework and not constantly looking at the TV. That makes me go back to disliking her even more. Sounds pretty base.

Nerovh
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06-11-2005

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 3:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
Hmmm, very interesting about Denise. Maybe she thought "Lunch lady" sounded better than "School custodian" or something. Maybe they just switched her from day shift to night shift and that's what she was upset about? I'd like to think she didn't deliberately mislead people in the hopes of getting sympathy/money, but it looks a lot like that.

I know PG worked hard to stay in the game, but she seemed to have a sense of entitlement that really grated on my nerves. Her reaction to not winning a reward or not being picked to go on reward was just so annoying.

And maybe it's just me and just because I like James, but I thought his eyes looked just a little sad when Jeff asked him why he didn't use the reward and he said "I trusted my alliance". But he was an excellent sport about it.

It was such a refreshing change to see someone who had been completely blindsided show such good sportsmanship as he did at the jury questioning. I love seeing the final contestants get called out on legitimate things, but the jury is often so bitter that their questions/diatribes end up not even making good sense. Lack of intelligence and "Bitter-Betty" syndrome are not a good combination. Just ask Big Tom.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 5:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I would think the contestants don't get to choose the labels. I would think the producers do. And if she was a cafeteria worker when she first applied, then "lunch lady." Probably stuck.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 6:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I hear you, Costacat.. the producers often use the labels, but Denise also referred to herself that way quite a few times and surely she knew that wasn't her job? And she's had some amount of time back home and yet she still came to the finale with that story..

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 6:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Technically, after a leave of absense, a company only has to offer you an 'equivalent' job to the one you left. I suspect that she was a day custodian and when she came back, she was a night custodian.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 6:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
... and don't forget she made the comment she wore her hair like that because she had to have short hair to work around food.


Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 6:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Never liked Denise, even though I'm a sucker for a sob-story, but there was always something about her that just didn't click with me. And her whining toward the end of the show, sob story on the reunion show last night and somewhat delusional statements regarding her particular attributes which cause others to vote her off well . . . let's just say I'm not surprised or hurt to hear her story about losing her job might not be true. I hope she has to give the $50,000 back.

To my everlasting shame I LOLed when Courtney said it wasn't her fault Denise sucked at life. I dislike her more than I dislike Denise. I am shocked she got more votes than Amanda.

I thought Amanda would win, but admittedly I missed more than a few critical shows in the past few weeks. Amanda's sad, hounddog look was wearing on me by the end of the night last night, though. I was ready for someone else to win. No problem with Todd taking it all.

I couldn't BELIEVE how different they all looked with a shower, a haircut and some meat on their bones.

I haven't broken it to Colossus yet that there's a mid-term Big Brother coming up. He thinks he has another 6 months of normalcy left in the house. Heh.

Jedisan
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01-11-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 6:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jedisan a private message Print Post    
KC103: Courtney said on the Early Show that being on the show just kind of 'fell into her lap' or something to that effect.
That girl really is full of herself, and extremely bright.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 6:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
I thought the mullet thing was odd. I was wondering why she kept it after being switched to custodian since she no longer worked with food. I also wondered why she didn't just keep it all one length and pull it all up into a ponytail at work.

Denise's big mistake was playing the sympathy card so hard with Amanda. It just gave Amanda a preview of what the jury would be listening to if Denise made it to final 3. Denise would've been wiser to point out that the jury would just see her as a coattail rider and wouldn't vote for her.

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 7:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
I hope Steph is on the next season.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 7:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
James obviously went back to his job (thus the story of the two ladies who wanted their picture with him). I told my DH if he could get James to come to our little town for my funeral (whenever that may be), to be sure to call my best friend so she could get her picture taken with him, too! LOL :-) (and I requested that my DH ask James to wear that light blue color -- he just looks incredibly gorgeous in it!)

Was it just me, or did Todd appear to have a very wrong shade of lipstick on at the very beginning (when they were counting votes)?? It looked like the make-up people had matched it to his shirt! LOL

Hiyall
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07-06-2005

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 7:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hiyall a private message Print Post    
I didn't mean to say fired when I was talking about Denise and her job....moved to another position..which she did not seem to want. I don't know about that article...true or not. Denise seem to think being home with her family at night was more important to her than any pay increase she might have recieved.

Only going by her story I was upset that the reason she was given was that she was to distracting...that would have all settled down in time and things would have been back to normal. Denise doesn't strike me as dishonest....you could even see her physically uncomfortable when anyone was talking about tearing up her alliance...but who knows. I'm still glad she got the money and I hope the best for them.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Interesting link Spear... I bet Mark Burnett is wishing someone did their homework...

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 8:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I can't remember another contestant that played the sympathy card like Denise did. I'm sure it's happened but I can't remember details. UGH jfp and his granny, is all that comes to mind but I don't count that as the same.

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 11:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
what famous restaurant does courtney work at in new york?

Cricket
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08-05-2002

Monday, December 17, 2007 - 11:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cricket a private message Print Post    
I must be getting tired of reality shows. I didn't even watch most of the finale last night. After Amanda let Todd stay yet again, I turned it off, knowing she'd just given him the game. She pretty much realized that after she saw his act during tribal council from what she said.

This show is getting so boring and predictable after about the 5th week or so. I thought also they used to have a competition between the F3 and there was only a F2. Amanda won the last challenge, but still had to go before the tribal council with two others. How long has it been this way?

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 1:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
It's true that this was a predictable season. The alliance made it to the end, picking off everyone else in the process. Todd was the early favorite since nobody around him ever even considered writing his name down, and he won. No big surprise, although I kept hoping for a twist where someone would manage to get him out. I couldn't even enjoy his win since I'd lost respect for his gaming ability back when he gave James both immunity idols.

Anyway, at least Denise has created an interesting twist. I can't believe she was foolish enough to lie on national television as if she wouldn't get caught. I don't think the school superintendent would be dumb enough to put a false statement on their web page that could lead to a lawsuit. The only other possibility is that Burnett came up with this idea for a few moments of "good TV." I sure hope that's not the case.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 2:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
i would imagine that the workers are unionized. That would mean that the info of when a person changes positions would be sent to the union as well.

I am really surprised that Denise would tell a nontruth on tv BUT I've been thinking.

Is it possible that she applied for this job just before she left while thinking it was a dayshift job.

imagine her shock at coming back and finding out that the job hours had changed. in other words, NOT the job that she had before she left.

I had a boss that would re-word a job description AFTER someone would get the job. I saw it many times thru the years. about the only thing that they Have to stick with is..wage and amount of hours worked.

Naja
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06-28-2003

Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 7:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Just saw Denise on the Early show, and they also had the woman who works for the school doing the job placements. The woman did not seem thrilled, but she was forgiving..anyway--

Denise really was already working the night custodial shift for a few months before Survivor started. There were no surprises for her coming back to work. It was a position she wanted and applied for herself because it paid more money and had more benefits. She returned to the exact same job when she came back. The woman claims this incident was the first she had even heard that Denise wanted her old job back. But, Denise still wouldn't be able to get the lunch lady job back because when Denise moved to her new job, her old position was filled. Denise really changed the story for TV.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 7:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Can I just say...

Todd really needed to fire his stylist at the finale. His look was horrifying.

I'm pretty unthrilled about this season (China and scenery notwithstanding). I dunno if I'm bored or what. Wasn't totally thrilled with the F3, have been mostly bored by the TCs, and wasn't really thrilled with most of the contestants. <yawn>

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 7:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Naja, all I've got to say about Denise is "Hmm".

Naja
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06-28-2003

Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 7:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
They just put the video up on the cbs site

Link to Denise on early Show video