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Reality TVClubHouse Discussions: Survivor ARCHIVES: Survivor XIX - Samoa ~ 2: Survivor XIX - Samoa: Finale Show, Dec. 20th: ARCHIVES: Archive through December 21, 2009 users admin

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Spear
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08-06-2001

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 3:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
RealityTV World interviews:

Jaison
Mick
Russell
Natalie

RNO interviews:

Jaison
Brett
Mick
Russell
Natalie


quote:

Reality TV World: Before you left camp for the final Tribal Council, we saw you telling Mick and Russell that you were happy with third place. Were you just trying to tell them what you thought they wanted to hear or did you really have that little confidence that you could beat Mick and Russell?

Natalie: I definitely had confidence that I could beat them. But I always was making sure I was letting Russell know, "You're the best player, you're the best player." I've got to stroke that ego because I wanted him to continue to be cocky and arrogant because I didn't feel that jury would reward that behavior. I just didn't.




Maris
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03-28-2002

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 4:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
I am glad Russel didnt win. I dont have a problem with his lying, I think he should have been given a penalty in the beginning for throwing out everyones water. That should be a rule of survivor, you cant touch that, its like scrubbing a toilet bowl with a toothbrush. I hated the way he spoke about women and I am thrilled that he lost against a woman.

He wasn't that great a competitor in fact he almost lost quite a few group challenges.

He was a mean person.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 4:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
The viewers saw all of his egotistical displays and nasty monologues and the other two finalists saw that as well but the jury didn't see it.

I think wearing the Hidden Immunity Idol at Tribal Council and not playing it (before it became useless) are egotistical displays that everyone saw. I wouldn't be too sure that there wasn't more of that behavior around camp either.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 4:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
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Lardbrick
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01-16-2006

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 4:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lardbrick a private message Print Post    
When I think of this jury, the phrase that comes to mind is SOUR GRAPES. They didn't vote for Russell because he got the best of all of them and when they had the power, they got back at him. What a bunch of weenies. Instead of voting for his ability to play the game, they voted for the person who deserved it the least to get back at him. They are losers twice!!

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 4:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
LOL. Well since the runner up couldn't even convince Natalie to sell the title "sole survivor" for a hundred thousand bucks, I guess that makes him a loser twice, too. And if he appears on the next season, I'll place a bet that he'll be a loser thrice.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 4:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
LOL Tish!

Jimmer, I think Russell displayed plenty of his egotistical behavior at tribals. The wearing of the HII, for one, and I believe his expressions and comments during jury questioning and after the vote (usually during a blindside) were pretty telling to the jury. I think everyone on the jury realized they were played, but if Russell had actually acted like it was just a game, and not personal, he might've gotten more than two votes.

Russell made it personal. So the jury made it personal and didn't vote for him.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 4:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Russell's hubris is unprecedented in the game. Even Richard Hatch, after playing circles around his fellow competitors, had the good sense to keep it all business, no pronounced personal jibes, at tribal grilling. At least that is my recollection.

And Costacat, you are exactly right. Best summary yet. Russell made it personal, so the jury took it personally. Excellent analysis. He did it to himself.

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 5:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texasdeb a private message Print Post    
anybody know who voted for who? did Mick even get a single vote?

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
Mick did not get any votes. Russell got Shambo and John's vote. Everyone else voted for Natalie.

Michaelwinicki
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09-04-2006

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 6:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Michaelwinicki a private message Print Post    
Who can argue the point that Russell played a great game?

But it wasn't perfect. The great things he did, were offset by some major tactical errors.

Long term strategy - check

Week to week tactics - check

Initiative to do what had to be done to win - check

However he made some grievous errors along the way...

Made too many side agreements which ended up pizzing off those folks who thought they had "deals" with him. You just can't be the one continually blindsiding folks and not face some sort of repercussion. Many of the folks on the jury have only been there a few days... It isn't enough time for their memories to fade and the sting to subside from being blindsided by someone they thought they had a deal with.

What Russell should have done is pushed Mick or Nat to be the "blindsider" with say Jaison and Brett, which would have thrown some of that anger their way.

Secondly Russell talked too much about his net worth. Just a horrible tactical mistake. And it was totally out of character for the smart, strategic game he had played up to that point. And it cost him.

Finally, the arrogance he showed toward the end of the game was just way too over the top. More humility would have gone a long way to soothing the ruffled feathers of those on the jury.

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 6:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texasdeb a private message Print Post    
Wow - thanks Keldogg.

ER should have taken Shambo and possibly Mick then - who knows - Rus's only negative was that arrogance/ego trip that he not only showed up with, but couldn't keep a control on either. He was smart and probably the best contestant we've ever seen in all other areas. I enjoyed this season more than any other season because of him. Would I want to have to "live" with him or someone like him - a big He!! NO.

That said, I hope he can take a little of this into the next Survivor and be even more fun for all of us to watch.

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 7:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Russell reaped what he sowed, pure and simple.

Jezzedout
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09-07-2006

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 8:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jezzedout a private message Print Post    
From Natalie's interview with Reality News Online:


RNO: How do you respond to those who say Russell deserved the win more than you because of his strategic play?

Natalie: There are just a couple things I’d like to say to that. The game that everybody else watches is totally different than the game we play. It’s three days of taping crammed into 42 minutes. They’ve got to create a story, something the audience can follow. It’s so hard for the audience to see everything that goes on. That’s kind of the first thing.

The second thing is in order to win Survivor, you have to get the majority of the jury votes, period, that’s it. People who weren’t out there, they watch a different game than we actually play. Not to throw anybody under the bus, but you have to win that majority, period. I won fair and square.

RNO: OK, but I just talked to Russell and he is extremely pissed off that you won. How do you respond to Russell, who says all you did was jump on his back?

Natalie: Of course Russell is going to say that. I think Russell is hurt to an extent, he wanted the title so bad. But honestly you can’t go around twisting people’s arms in a threatening way and expect them to vote for you. And when they’re voted out, you taunt them.

You know as well as I do – I’m a huge fan – the social part is a huge aspect. So I’m sorry, you can’t play one aspect of it and ignore the others. You can’t neglect the social aspect which in my opinion is the most important. That’s your own fault. I’m the one who built genuine social bonds out there and because of it I won one million dollars.

Rvon
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12-11-2003

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 8:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rvon a private message Print Post    
Good for Natalie. I love her response to these questions. Good for her. She is not as dumb as Russell likes to say.

Moderator
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06-29-2002

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 9:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Moderator a private message Print Post    
Do NOT include spoilers for any other show or any future season of this show in ANY thread other than a clearly marked spoiler thread, for the appropriate show or season.

Thanks!


Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 10:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Even Jeff Probst believes that the jury was a bunch of bitter people.


'Nobody outplayed Russell'
by Jeff Probst

Okay, now that the show is officially over I’m going to take off my hosting and producing hat and just give you my personal reaction to what went down last night.
I think Russell was the victim of a jury of bitter people....


Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 10:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Dalton also, was not pleased....

'Survivor: Samoa' finale recap: The worst jury vote ever
Did the right person win 'Survivor: Samoa'? Um, how should I put this? NO!
By Dalton Ross | Dec 21, 2009

GETTING PLAYED
Russell may have been the season's most aggressive player but Natalie's the one who rode his moves to the winner's circle.

A travesty. That's really the only word for it. Wait, here's another one: A joke. You could also go with absurd, ridiculous, lame. I'm going to make sure that I am absolutely clear about this: Natalie winning over Russell is the worst jury vote in the history of Survivor. That honor previously belonged to the All-Stars season, when a bunch of bitter Bettys couldn't handle being outsmarted by Boston Rob and awarded the million dollars to Amber instead. But this is worse.

You may not like Russell. You may consider him cocky, sneaky, and lots of other things. But he OWNED this game, and he owned the final Tribal Council as well. Natalie's opening speech to the jury contained NOT ONE SINGLE REFERENCE to anything she did well in the entire game, just that it was ''the hardest thing I've ever done.'' Hey, hand her the million then! Later, she talked about how her big strategy was to NOT be aggressive. That was her strategy!!! Don't do anything. Again, hand her the million!

Look, Natalie seems like an absolute sweetheart. I have nothing against her whatsoever. I hope she enjoys the money and uses it well. The jury members are the people who should be ashamed.

rest of article here: http://tinyurl.com/yk2msyw <fixed link>

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 10:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Yep.. she seems to have gained her confidence and her good storyline only after they returned to the US and at the live announcement of votes it was clear that both she and Russell probably had a good idea she had won.

But Bitter gets to vote; that is the rule.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 10:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
well you knew Probst was gonna be upset. He's had his man crush on Russell since the beginning. He's the one who influenced production to make this season The Russell Show. He's just po'd that he couldn't script his perfect ending.

She was right. The winner of Survivor is the one that wins the majority of the jury votes. He forgot that in his arrogance. He lost.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 10:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
That just makes me laugh. Why do so many people argue that playing to the jury is not important? Maybe it shouldn't be important, but that is just not the way it goes in the game of Survivor. You gotta be able to play to the jury, too. Arguing otherwise if futile. Jeff, of all people, should know that. Russell sucked at that part. Get over it. He lost.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 10:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Psyche, Ladytex. LOL.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 11:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Yeah, it's amazing how the runner up and his champions--Mr Probst and Mr Dalton--sound so bitter when complaining about a bitter jury. Poor boys! Thwarted by a "stupid little blonde."

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 11:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
Like I'd really value the opinion of someone from the likes of Dalton. Yea, if Dalton says ER should have won, then by golly it must be so. <shudder>

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 11:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Several people commented on the Daily Show, but here's the Youtube for anyone that missed it. Russell certainly can't be accused of being 'graceful'.

Natalie White's $1 Million Prize

The Daily Show