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Alaginger
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 6:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
My Goodness, Pamy! Don't let Russ hear you talking like that, or you will be voted off, too ... and you aren't even on the show!

Catfat
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 8:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
I read on here someplace that Russell S. is dehydrated because the rain put out the fire, thus they couldn't boil water to drink.
Why couldn't they drink rain water? It is pure and there was certainly enough of it.
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WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THESE PEOPLE?

Am I missing something? And I'll wager that about now they are all wishing that they could trade those pillows and blankets for a tarp and some tools.

Pamy
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 8:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
LOL Ginger! He knows he is my fav so we are good!

Pamy
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 8:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
LOL Ginger! He knows he is my fav so we are good!

Juju2bigdog
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 9:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
I was also wondering why they couldn't drink rainwater.

Catfat
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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 9:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
Juju we both live in the Pacific Northwest, we know about rain, and I'll bet my last crab that we would know what to do with that rainwater.

Pamy
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 4:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I cked with Bill, who was survival instructor in the Navy and asked him about rain water, he just shook his head and wished he could be out there with these wimps to show them how to survive! lol

in other words yes drink rain water, even drink morning dew off plants that are safe

Alaginger
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 4:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I've seen the discussions about drinking rainwater several times at the other places. I don't remember a really good answer why they couldn't drink rainwater. In the Insider this week, one of the clips done by Ashley stated they had not had water for three days when they did that last challenge, where they won and the other tribe sent Yasmin home. I didn't think it was worth bringing over, but since we are talking about water....there it is.

Another poster, somewhere, said that swimming in salt water takes water out of you, not puts water in.

In Jeff's blog, I think I remember him saying something about the heat, but I can't remember the numbers. I'll go check this out better.

Alaginger
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 4:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
A Poster at Survivor Blows brought this whole article over about dehydration. You might find it interesting.
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"Dehydration"

http://www.symptomsofdehydration.com

Note that each person should have two litres of water just to complete one of these physical challenges, minimum, in addition to the 2-4 litres a day needed for managing in the tropical climate. Also, and this is something I've been told, not the info here, swimming in salt water dehydrates the body. The salt pulls fluids out through the skin.

Prevention of Dehydration

The average person loses between two and three litres of water a day through the breath, sweat, and urine. This number can increase or decrease based on the types of activities that a person engages in. Heavy exercise can cause a body to loose more than 2 litres an hour! To prevent dehydration you simply need to replenish the liquids that are lost throughout the day. Many resources and sites will tell you to drink 8 glases of water a day, or give you a set number of litres to drink but the honest truth is that every BODY is different and only you will know how much your BODY needs.

Only YOU can know how much water YOU need to be at your best. Thats right, WATER. Not soda, not juice, not sugar-drinks. Pay attention to your fluid loss and take special care to replenish it as it is being lost. By the time you feel thirsty you are already dehydrated - you want to avoid becoming thirsty in the first place. Pay attention to the color of your urine, dark urine is usually an indicator that you are dehydrated. Drink more water.

Symptoms of dehydration usually begin with thirst and progress to more alarming manifestations as the need for water becomes more dire. The initial signs and symptoms of mild dehydration in adults appear when the body has lost about 2% of it's total fluid. These mild dehydration symptoms are often (but not limited to):

Thirst
Loss of Appetite
Dry Skin
Skin Flushing
Dark Colored Urine
Dry Mouth
Fatique or Weakness
Chills
Head Rushes

If the dehydration is allowed to continue unabated, when the total fluid loss reaches 5% the following effects of dehydration are normally experienced:

Increased heart rate
Increased respiration
Decreased sweating
Decreased urination
Increased body temperature
Extreme fatigue
Muscle cramps
Headaches
Nausea
Tingling of the limbs

When the body reaches 10% fluid loss emergency help is needed IMMEDIATELY! 10% fluid loss and above is often fatal!

Symptoms of severe dehydration include:
Muscle spasms
Vomiting
Racing pulse
Shriveled skin
Dim vision
Painful urination
Confusion
Difficulty breathing
Seizures
Chest and Abdominal pain
Unconciousness

Treatment for Dehydration

If dehydration is the removal of water from an object, then the treatment of dehydration to reverse it's effects would logically be rehydration.

When a person becomes dehydrated they have also lost electrolytes so it is very important to replenish them along the water. The type of electrolytes needed for rehydration are sodium and potassium salts usually found in sports drinks like Gatorade and pediatric formulas like Pedialite. Electrolytes are needed for electro-chemical reactions within cells. A lack of electrolytes in the body can interfere with the chemical reactions needed for healthy cell operation and is known as water intoxication. This can become a serious condition and has lead to death in extreme cases.

If a person is showing minor symptoms give them plenty of water and let them drink it very slowly, in small sips. Electrolytes are also important to replace. Electrolytes can be readily had from Gatorade or Pedialite. They are also found in salty foods but eating any food while dehydrated will only dehydrate the body more since fluids are required for digestion. If Gatorade or Pedialite are not available, slowly replenish the bodies liquids with water and follow that up after symptoms have subsided with a small salty snack or a very light meal.

If a person is showing some of the more severe symptoms of dehydration as listed above, call an ambulance immediately. He or she may be past the point where ingestion of the proper fluids will help; get them medical attention immediately.

Alaginger
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 4:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
More on rainwater ... Posters from Survivors Blow:

Question
>>>What I can't understand is the dehydration. Are they unable to collect and drink the rainwater?

A Poster's Response
It's probably not that much rain. A whole day's worth of rain gives you one inch in your pot. Maybe if they created a leaf collection system. Banana leaves don't normally collect water because they grow fairly vertically. Leaves lying on the ground would soon be full of bugs. Sure they can get enough to roll some water drops into their mouth, but not canteens full.

An adult in the tropics should drink two liters of water a day, and if you add sports to that, quite a bit more. I bet their electrolyte balance gets really messed up. They should try to eat bananas for the potassium. Papayas have a high fluid content. Coconut milk is good too.

This cast isn't very savvy about the outdoors. I imagine when we see S20 they will be more on top of things. In Micronesia the Faves had no problems.

Another's poster's response:
"RE: Medical evacuation tied to weat..."
I've tried to say this twice, and I'll give it one more shot.
An inch of rain can feel like a lot of rain. It can come down hard. It can soak everything. But it's still only an inch in the bottom of a collection device, provided they have a clean dedicated pot that is set out to get maximum rain.
If they had a roof gutter system filling into a barrel that much rain could fill the barrel, but otherwise it won't make enough to fill even one canteen in 24 hours and each person should have at least substantially more than one canteen per day.

When people are perspiring heavily, as happens in humid heat and then compounded by these challenges. they lose fluids AND mineral salts, and the body systems stop functionally correctly. I will post some information below ... after I go get myself some water to drink!

Freetimefinally
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 4:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Freetimefinally a private message Print Post    
one group did drink rain watrer one year. They even made their structure help gollect it bu using bamboo slit down the middle as a gutter system. I'm thinking this is when either rupert or rob was on the show.

Alaginger
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 4:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
One last entry from a poster living in Hawaii. She also placed the 2nd post I listed above.
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Re collection, the weather data says a bit over an inch in 24 hours. Granted the local rain may be more than at the Faleolo airport, quite possible.

I don't see how they could collect 4-5 liters per person per day with what they have as resources, out of an inch of rain.

I live in a similar climate. We got rain exactly like that last night. It can seem like a lot but then It's a couple inches in my "rain gauge bucket" that I set out. People here where I live, in some areas, have only catchment water from off the roof. The thing is they have the whole roof area to collect rain, from there into gutters, from the gutters into a tank.

Without some way to collect water off a larger area, this kind of intense rain does not provide that much. Also, the rain tends to come and go, and come down hardest at night. Since it is pitch black there at night they can't really work on collecting during that time. They are huddling in the shelter.

Also, I personally would not want to drink any water that doesn't come direct into my mouth from the sky. (Catchment water needs to be treated to be safe.) I grow bananas on my property, and there are so many bugs, and there are rats living in them, excreting, as rats tend to do. And there are slugs. Maybe it seems like banana leaves are nice and clean, but really they aren't.

We have a lovely disease here in Hawai'i called by common name, rat lungworm. The rats host a parasite and excrete it. Snails and slugs eat the rat excrement, and the slime they leave can infect a human host. People can get worms hatching and chewing tunnels in their brain. For a really bad case it's most likely the person eats some of the slug by accident, like in a salad. There are numerous people here suffering from this.

However, in their situation, I would be more concerned about getting lepto.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/leptospirosis_g.htm

Point being, they could end up sick by drinking collected rainwater that had come off leaves and through the trees, unless they could boil it. They may or may not know that, depending on what their survival training involved pre-game. As they have all the water they need from some source production has given them, the stumbling block is fire and getting enough water boiled, not dropping the ball around camp, keeping up the supply, drinking a canteen full and refilling canteens methodically.

That was the reason Marisa and Ben fought, per Ben. She didn't think the water boiling process needed to be rushed, and he said in exit interview that their canteens didn't get filled before the IC, and they were weak.

Alaginger
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 4:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Freetime ... yep, I'm thinking that's what I'm getting out of this information, too. Neither tribe must have tried to collect the water.

Maybe it will be addressed on the show and we will finally understand it.

Alaginger
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 9:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Interesting tidbit from Missyae regarding the boot tonight.............:
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"The real reason behind the scenes of what has her {Ashley} in peril is how big a fan she is of the game and a friend to some of it's previous players. Someone out there found out about her extensive knowledge of the game and thought it was better for her to go home. I highly doubt you will see that edited into the show because it might raise eyebrows to the viewers who have no idea at some of the connections of present players to past players. So her downfall is her own fault."

Alaginger
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Voting over at Survivor Blows at this point:

La de da! La de da!

Ashley - 16
Liz - 1
Jaison - 1

Survivor Fever Shows:
Ashley - Very Vulnerable
Liz - Vulnerable
Jaison - Vulnerable
Russell S. - Slightly Vulnerable

TDT is still showing Ashley? Jaison? for the boot

Lexie_girl
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 10:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Aren't they provided some sort of "well" (for lack of a better word) where they can collect fresh water provided by the show? It seems to me in seasons past that someone was always making a "water run."

Bonbonlover
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 10:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Lexi... I believe they have always boiled the water they gathered from their "well"... I have always thought it funny that they make it appear that they don't have water resource when they are given a "well"...

Africa was the exception when, in the middle of their tribes circle, they had a huge above ground well. This was because they were not allowed to shoot, as originally planned, near the water.

Lexie_girl
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 1:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Then how did they get dehydrated???

Bonbonlover
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 2:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
They most likely do have a well with water thought not necessarily clean water. My guess is that it rains so much that they cannot make a fire to boil the water... thus they have nothing to drink...

Seamonkey
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Thursday, October 15, 2009 - 2:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
The tarp would have been such a good choice.. for collection of water or even for covering a fire area.. hmm..

Pamy
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Friday, October 16, 2009 - 5:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
they showed a pot filling with rainwater on the show last night. I wondered if they drank from that.