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Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 8:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Thanks for Survivor Fever for Transcript and Pics:
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Transcript:

Jeff Probst: It's time for me to create chaos.

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Russell <nighttime camera confessional> It's time for me to create chaos. <unlatches chicken cage door>

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Russell: Bird go free!

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John: Shambo is the one leading the charge.

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Shambo <talking to John and Dave> : Let's pull the trigger.

Dave: I agree.

Dave: He's a cancer we've got to dump him now.

Jaison <camera confessional> : Sometimes you just have to say, "Screw it, I'm gonna fall on it."

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Shambo <talking to Jaison> : So Mick's on board with the plan?

Jaison: Yeah, we're all on board with you, Sham.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Thursday, November 19, 2009 - 11:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
So are they trying to convince us she and they are turning on Russell? Seems like so far they haven't shown us Russell showing off this idol..

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 5:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I didn't see Russell show the idol, this time, to anybody ... including his FF mates. That doesn't mean he didn't. It does look to me, from these previews, that they are after Russell ... but it doesn't make any sense to me that any of those fellows would actually let Shambo take the "Lead" on anything. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't trying to pull one over on her, instead.

Maryg
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07-20-2009

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 5:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maryg a private message Print Post    
Jeff Probst seems to indicate that Russell does, indeed have the third idol---his ew blog

Erik: “And there goes the lead.”

It’s appropriate that Erik’s comment starts this blog since the downfall of Galu all started with Galu voting out Erik, one of their own.

Survivor hindsight is no different than any other hindsight, it’s always 20-20. But man… if they only knew what they were starting, ‘ole Erik would probably still be wearing those black knee highs and most of the Foa Foa would be gone.

Instead… it’s wow, wow, wow.

Who would have ever predicted this kind of a turnaround? Galu, the tribe who dominated for so long is now in a giant hole, not unlike a grave, that they dug themselves.

They should heed the advice of Dave Matthews and start talking to the grave digger right now: “Grave digger, when you dig my grave, will you make it shallow so that I can feel the rain.”

Eric, gone. Kelly, gone. Laura, gone. What?

How in “Gods green earth” to quote Shambo, are Jaison, Mick, Natalie and Russell still in this game? Why have they been able to pull off a comeback and get themselves back in contention?

Two big reasons: The first is this… Survivor is an individual game: I keep saying it because it’s important. You can never take your eyes off the prize and the prize is ONE check for a million dollars. Not four checks, each for $250,000. Not 8 checks each for $125,000. ONE check for ONE million dollars. As long as Survivor remains an individual game it will continue to have unexpected flips and flops because everybody has their own agenda and that will always cause chaos.

The second reason for the Foa Foa comeback is “Game Play.”

Here’s my take on how Game Play factored into the comeback:
33% Russell’s individual game play, 33% Foa Foa sticking together and 33% Galu just flat out blowing one of the most dominant leads in Survivor history. It’s like they lost their brains somewhere in the South Pacific. And as of last night’s episode, they still haven’t found it.

YOU’RE AN IDIOT
I laughed out loud when John assessed Galu’s various voting strategies, each followed with: “You’re an idiot.”

I gotta say, from where I sit – and again my vantage point is all based on hindsight – he’s right. Targeting Russell? What? Here’s a guy who has shown you his willingness to play the idol and his ability to continue to find it. Trying to take out Russell makes no sense at all. Not in this episode anyway.

Mick has the individual immunity necklace so they really only had two choices: Natalie or Jaison. John is right, you have to try to get intel and/or take a guess as to who is the least likely to be given the idol and vote for them. It’s the only vote.

Maybe if they had done that things would have turned out differently. But I think a big part of John’s dilemma probably stemmed from the question of whether or not he believed the remaining Galu members were smart enough to help him make it to the end.

Laura and Dave’s jungle strategy meeting certainly didn’t give him any peace of mind, although it did provide me a favorite moment courtesy of Dave Ball:

John: “The vote is Natalie. Times five. Find a problem with that. I know you’d rather not—-“
Dave: “No, no, no. I’ll burn her right now, I do not care… bro.”

I really do pull for Dave Ball. Can’t explain it, doesn’t even matter why, I just pull for the dude. I have since he first walked into casting a couple years ago and continued even though we didn’t put him on the show at that time. When we brought him back again for Survivor: Samoa I was still rooting for him and as I write this tonight, I still am.

Back to John. When he found out they were going to use him as the bait, things really started to shift. Once that happens, a mutiny is almost sure to follow as people start to jump off the sinking ship. People like John.

BACK TO THE START
Like a good Tarantino movie, let’s play with structure a little bit and jump back to the start of the episode.

When everybody returned to camp after the last tribal council, Dave Ball came over to the Foa Foa four and said:

“You guys tell Galu I said this, ‘good move!’” Did I miss something? Does anybody know what Dave is talking about? Dave, you ARE Galu, and the move Foa Foa made was as much on YOU as anybody else.

Laura said it best: Wow.

She then followed with “I can’t believe that little snake.” Why is Russell a snake? Because he’s playing the game?

It’s always fun to hear one group talk about the other. When Laura wins two immunity challenges, it’s “Awesome.” When Russell finds the idol, he’s a snake? Nah. He’s awesome too, just in a different way.

LAST TRIBAL COUNCIL
Going back even further, (still with me?) let’s return to the end of the last episode when I said:

JEFF: (at last tribal council) “One more thing, the hidden immunity idol goes back into the game.”

As I said those words, I was thinking the same thing everybody else was thinking…
Can he do it again? Can Russell find the idol for a third time?

Russell: “They’re like magnets to me, I’m just drawn to them.” Now that is a damn funny and very cocky comment, but hard to argue.

THE HUNT IS ON
It was one of the funniest scenes of the season, the entire group scurrying about looking for the idol. And even with everybody following Russell…he STILL found it.

You wonder why nobody else finds the idol? Just take a look at how the rest of the group was looking for it?

Jaison could barely be bothered to pick up a rock. Dave was merely following Russell and in doing so nearly stumbled upon the idol but because he is so concerned with Russell he walks away from it and chases back after Russell. Hilarious.

Laura is following Dave so she’s no help. And what does Russell do? He easily loses everybody and doubles right back to where Dave was half-assed looking and finds… the… third… idol.

THREE IDOLS! Come on. You have to give him some credit. Check that, a lot of credit. We’ve had hidden immunity idols for a long time now and up until this season nobody has ever thought to just start looking for them, with or without a clue. Russell was so on top of his game that he gave us Producers a run for our money. We were as shocked as you are that he continued to find them before anybody else.

Once again I ask, “He’s starting to grow on you a little, right?”

REWARD CHALLENGE
Let’s give credit where credit is due – the difference in the Reward challenge was Natalie. Period. She won that challenge for her group. She extended her body waaaaaay out over the platform gripping it with only her feet and used her flexibility to reach much further than John was able to and that was the difference.

THE GAME IS GETTING COMPLICATED
Now that Galu is starting to scramble it throws everything into chaos.

Galu actually had a very solid idea. It took some doing, but Galu actually game up with a good plan. Convince Foa Foa they are taking out another one of their own – John. In fact, Monica did a very good job of working Foa Foa trying to convince them the vote was for John. Trusting anybody is tough on Survivor, but in terms of pure performance, she did a great job of justifying why she would not vote for Laura but would vote for John.

But John’s no dummy. Getting even one vote at tribal council is never a good thing. Getting four votes is way too risky. It suddenly becomes too easy for someone to “change their mind” and just vote you out.

Also working against the plan is the fact that Russell is as usual, one step ahead. He’s not buying it and he’s not backing off his plan to vote off Laura.

WHAT WILL HE DO?
John: If I’m gonna give you a Galu before you give me a Foa Foa, the next one needs to be a Foa Foa. Deal?
Russell: Deal.

But even as he said it, John knew he would be making a deal with a guy who has proven week after week he cannot be trusted. That’s why Survivor is still on, 19 seasons later. You can never be sure what exactly is the best move.

THE VOTE
It all came down to John. Does he risk his neck to save Laura and hopefully get rid of a Foa Foa member putting Galu back in charge… or… does he play a more self-serving game and flop to save his own hide knowing his quest for the million dollars may have gotten just a little bit tougher.

John played it brilliantly. He stayed true to Galu through the first vote, forcing a tie. This gave him the chance to see what was really going to happen. Then he had a choice:

A. Let it go to a tie and draw rocks, putting him in jeopardy of being sent home or…
B. Flip to Foa Foa thus ensuring he would stay in he game at least one more day.

He flipped and Laura became the third member of the jury. That was a big move.

IN CONCLUSION (Don’t you love it when you hear those two words.. finally, it’s over)
I know that Laura had people rooting for her and against her. Say what you want, but one thing you have to give Laura credit for is playing the game. From a producer point of view, she gave us everything we could have hoped for and then some. Sorry you had to go Laura, see ya at the live show.

QUESTION OF THE DAY:
If you had to vote today for your “favorite” player from this season? Who would it be? I’m not talking about who you want to win the game, although it might be the same person, I’m talking about your “favorite” overall player or person in the game?

Look forward to your responses.

Check ya next week.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 7:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Well, since we saw Russell get the third idol last night we knew he had it too.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 7:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Thanks, Mary...just came over to bring Jeff's Blog and found it was already here. A lot easier to read here than at EW.com.

Gurliegirl
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06-20-2006

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 9:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Gurliegirl a private message Print Post    
I'm curious why the blog is posted here in spoilers when there's an actual Jeff's Blog thread. Not complaining, just curious about it's placement because there are no spoilers in it.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 9:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I made the decision to include the Blog in here because:

1 - Some of the readers of the spoiler section don't go into the other section. Some only have a quick lunch break at work to check things out, and just come straight to the spoiler section if that is what they are interested in.

2 - On several occasions there have been things that Jeff has said in his Blog that have helped analytical people figure out (or think they have figured out) something in the future. Just two weeks ago we caught the Blog for the Spoiler section here before Jeff was quick enough to jump back in and delete the sentence he had about "Laura and some of the Galus were surprised at the boot". That was from the night Erik was booted and nobody on Galu was surprised about that, so it had to have referred to something that was coming that was on Jeff's mind, but we had not seen yet.

Hope that answered your question Gurlie

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 9:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
How about we just copy and paste any info that Jeff divulges which may be spoiler and bring it over here... that way we don't dilute the spoiler thread and we also are not duplicating posts... because many people who do not want to read spoilers do want to read Jeff's blogs...

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 11:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
That's fine with me. From now on I'll just read the Blog for myself, and if I see anything that is spoiler or speculator-related, I'll bring it over. If anybody else really wants to read the Blog, they'll just have to go into the other section. I didn't realize that it had been a problem.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 12:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I know it's real early in the game, but TDT has updated the Survivormeter at the TDT website:

Dave - safe?
Monica - at risk
John - Toast
All others safe.......

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 12:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Noooooooo Ginger. You must bring the blog over. Everyone knows that Pamy and I can't find chit over there at the EW website. We depend on you to bring it over.

<<<--- Fixin' to start begging...


Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 12:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Since I don't do any of the work I don't dare tell anyone else what not and what to post in here...and if I don't want to read the blog in one place or the other I just skip over it. I do, however, prefer only to have to come to one site when I'm in a hurry so I rather like having the blog included with the spoilers, since that is what I'm going to read first. Just my opinion.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
What about if I just post a link in this thread to Jeff's Blog in the TVCH other non-spoiling section after somebody brings it over, and then you guys can just back, back into here? Would that work?

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 1:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Things of interest cut and pasted from Laura's interview with Reality News Online:
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Laura: I knew from the first vote that I was going home, because I knew about the John plan. The minute the second Laura vote came up, I knew it wasn’t just Shambo. I knew the whole plan Monica and Brett had put into play didn’t work. I knew it would be a tie so I knew John would flip.

RNO: How did you know John would flip?

Laura: One thing that nobody knew is Brett and I got out there, saw each other when we started playing, and realized we knew each other from church. Brett and I therefore had a really tight alliance and he told me everything. Nobody knew this. Everything the Galu four boys would say, Brett would come and tell me. Therefore, I knew John was gunning for me back in Russell Swan days, when John and Dave and Erik were talking and John was saying that. I knew all that. So John thinks he’s kind of under the radar but I knew it all.

The really frustrating part is that Brett would have given me that necklace had he hit that target and won. He told me because he knew he was safe and Shambo would not write his name down. It was really disheartening when I didn’t get a chance to go for the necklace and when Mick put his arrow inside of Brett’s. It’s hard and I was like, “There goes my shot.”


RNO: What was the first thought that went through your mind last week when Russell stood up with the immunity idol for the second Tribal Council in a row?

Laura: I wanted to know where he found it because I was at that bridge all day. I was looking under it, I was looking all over. I was looking for the idol that Erik left with because I didn’t know he had it and I was still assuming we had an idol on our beach. I was at that bridge – there are only a certain amount of landmarks at camp. I’d been searching all over, so I wonder when it got placed there – it was just kind of suspicious to me.

RNO: Before seeing it on TV last night, did you know he had found his third idol?

Laura: We knew he had the third. Even though we didn’t see him find it. It was kind of hilarious, him playing the cat and mouse game – that was hilarious, him running and jumping through the jungle. It was hilarious. Then all of a sudden, you see him lying on the swing. It’s like the cat that just ate the mouse, he just about had the fur hanging out of my mouth. We were like, that sucker has it.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Great video of John and Shambo having a discussion before Laura is booted.

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor/video/?pid=yFlG5G6iypMv52P_sgItqI9o7eTO8VVq&vs=Default&play=true

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 2:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
I'm not buying any of what Laura is selling. No sirreeeeeee Bob.


Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 4:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
yes! what Lexie said!!! in fact right now I was thinking I have to go find the Jeff blog thread here so I could find it and was happy to see it right here without even having to click away to another site! :-) thx Ginger!!!

Pamy
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Friday, November 20, 2009 - 4:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
and to answer JP's question...Russell! This will be the first year that I will spend money to text a vote for a player on Survivor! I think I paid for a Kaysar BB vote years ago.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Ginger I like what you have done all along, when you post the whole blog here and sometimes emphasize interesting or spoilerish parts.

I don't see anything wrong with posting it here and in the separate thread. A post is easy to skip, and the non-spoilers can read it without comments/annotations in that thread.

Basically with all the great work you do to spoil is, it is your call.

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Friday, November 20, 2009 - 8:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
I liked finding Jeff's blog in here tonight, as I ran out of time today and am supposed to be in bed right now, and almost panicked thinking I am going to have to go hunt down the blog because I reallllly want to read it but don't have time to hunt, and then here it was in here, and I was SO happy. So, I say, Ginger, don't get offended by people who innocently ask out of curiosity why this or that. You have been running this thread just fine for YEARS, eons even, and your regular customers are VERY happy. So, in summary: It if ain't broke, don't fix it.



Smoochies, and keep up the good work.

Lookieloo
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08-12-2009

Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 8:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lookieloo a private message Print Post    
I'm a newby here, so maybe my opinion won't count for much but still i gotta put it on the record :-)

I'm with these guys on the blog thingy.

If you hadn't posted it we, absolutely, without a doubt, would have missed the change by Jeff a couple of weeks ago. That, in itself, is a spoiler.

You do an amazing job here. The time and effort you dedicate to this site and to the readers here is incredible and i'm grateful for all your efforts.

Thanks for all you do :-)

Misspoufy
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09-30-2004

Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Misspoufy a private message Print Post    
I don't like Russell, period. However, I ADMIRE Russell's game play. I was highly entertained by his running and their chasing him. I loved it when John flipped and Laura was history. I've watched every single season and I have to say this one has been my favorite, even tho I don't care all that much for the people. Entertainment goes a long way. Heroes vs Villains is going to be terrific, watching them all try to outwit Russell!

Beekindpleez
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07-18-2006

Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 10:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Beekindpleez a private message Print Post    
Welcome, Lookieloo!!! Good to have you here.

I agree. Alaginger does an amazing job!!

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Well, sounds to me like several of you like having Jeff's Blog stay here, so my wish is your command. I was not offended that the question got asked ... but appreciated the input so I would know if several of you would prefer that it stay here. And, if I see anything that I think has a spoiler potential to it, I will highlight it in red. Of course, if somebody beats me to it like Mary did this time, I can't highlight it........but I can call attention to it in a different post ...... so no problem.

Meanwhile, here is Pamy's favorite part. The TC voting. It's in two sections since there were two separate votings this time. John said a big-bad-word in his 2nd vote, so I'll have to play with the word a bit (LOL).
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Tribal Council Voting 1

Find out what each castaway had to say as they cast their votes

Brett ("Nat"): Natalie, you're a sweetheart. I hate to write your name down, but unfortunately that's the way the ball rolls.

Shambo (Laura): Laura, you are a viperous poison and I pray to God you go tonight.

Laura ("Nat"): We tried and tried again to get you to come to our tribe, but you just wouldn't, so we gotta get ya. Bye, Nat.

Russell ("Luara"): The other day you told me I may be faster than you, but you're smarter than me. You see, that's why you're going home tonight, you underestimated me.

Mick (Laura): It's a pleasure getting to know you. You're a hell of a competitor. This is probably why we have to do this, you're the glue that keeps former Galu together. We all know you probably think the same thing. You gotta go. Sorry.

Natalie (Laura): Laura, I am voting for you because this is Foa Foa's only hope and this is what we came to an agreement on with Shannon. You played an awesome game. Sorry, girl.

Jaison (Laura) <says nothing>

Monica ("Nat"): This is nothing personal against you, Natalie. You're a sweet girl. This is a stab at Russ for taking out one of our girls. I hope this plan works.

Dave ("Nat"): Natalie, I'm voting for you because you have been deemed least likely to be holding an immunity idol. (smiles)

John (Natalie): You're not going home tonight. Don't panic.

Tribal Council Voting 2

After the tie, the castaways are forced to re-vote. Find out what each of them had to say as they cast their votes.

Brett (Natalie): Let's get ready to roll the dice, and grab a stone.

Shambo (Laura): Unwavering in this decision.

Russell (Laura): OK, second round. Let's see what happens.

Mick (Laura): We're sticking strong. Hopefully one of yours won't.

Jaison (Laura) <no comment>

Monica (Natalie): Sticking with my tribe, and I hope it works.

Dave (Natalie): I'm ready to roll the dice. Let's go.

John (Laura): I've worked too hard to prepare myself to play this game more than a 14.2% chance that I go home to save your neck. It's not going down. I'm sorry. Like Jackie boy once said, "You f**ked with the wrong Marine!"