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Biscottiii
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05-29-2004
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 2:30 am
My own thoughts: In one of Missy's past spoilers, Missy commented about how 'Somebody didn't like Jaison's past harsh comments about Ben's racist comments towards Yasmin the black lady and that Somebody never forgot'. Ben the bully, the guy thrown out of the challenge for kicking to hurt Russell Swan, was the 4th one voted out. Weren't Ben and Evil Russell pals who were somewhat working together? I can't remember now. In any event, Russell may feel that Jaison's getting Ben booted might have weakened FF strength-wise from the start. When I see Russell & Jaison interacting, I always get a sense that Russell is simply stringing Jaison along, like many of the players he targeted in the past.
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Alaginger
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07-11-2002
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 5:23 am
Here's an actual quote from spoiler Missyae from December 4th. I had seen it quoted at 2 or 3 places, and found it at Survivor Skills easily enough this morning. **************************** missyae: 12/04/09 12:19 PM It is really pretty simple why Jaison would leave first from the original Foas. Going all the way back to his demanding that Ben must go. Someone did not really like that and has not forgotten.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 5:36 am
And I think that for "someone," we can read "Russell!"
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:02 am
'Survivor' villain Contestant Russell Hantz may be the best player— ever By PAIGE ALBINIAK (New York Post) December 20, 2009 Can Evil Russell win it all? From the very first episode of “Survivor Samoa,” Russell Hantz, 36-year-old multimillionaire owner of an independent Texas-based oil company, has been the guy to beat. Hantz wasn’t shy about his goals, letting everyone know from the get-go that he was in it to win it and that he didn’t care a whit about any one’s feelings. Russell immediately recruited three of the show’s female players into an alliance and then proceeded to call it his “dumb-ass girl alliance” behind their backs. “It is Day One now, and I got an alliance with the dumb, short-haired blond, the even dumber, long-haired blond, and the dark-haired girl. I like to call it my dumb-ass girl alliance,” he said to the show’s cameras. Russell’s “dumb-ass girl” alliance didn’t last long. The dark-haired girl, 26-year-old Marisa Calihan, was the first Survivor to be voted off this season. Now, with only five Survivors left, only the “dumber, long-haired blond,” otherwise known as pharmaceutical sales rep Natalie White, 26, remains. Suspense is what keeps fans hooked, but like many reality shows, the final result often disappoints when the person who best played the game doesn’t win. That could certainly be the case with Russell, who acquired immunity for most of the Samoa game and thus didn’t have to face the wrath of the people he’s betrayed. “The way Russell plays the game is phenomenal, whether we’re talking about his bullying, his interrogating people or his manipulating people,” says the show’s host, Jeff Probst. “He figured out what he needed to do in this game and he did. Still, Russell could lose to a lesser player because he doesn’t play the social game, and that’s part of it, too.” Three other players besides Natalie remain to fight out the finals: Brett Clouser, a 23-year-old t-shirt designer from Los Angeles; Jaison Robinson, 28, a law student in Chicago; and Mick Trimming, 33, who is about to enter his medical residency in Los Angeles. “Natalie and Brett might not be the most electric people on TV, but they are nice and people like them,” says the show’s host, Jeff Probst. “Mick is boring nice. I don’t know if he’s made the relationships he’s going to need at the end. And Jaison is a wild card to me. He could be the first player in ‘Survivor’ history to talk his way into a win during the final tribal council.” Early on, Russell began manipulating the other players, successfully getting people that he targeted voted out of the game. He also was the first player in the game’s history to find hidden immunity idols on his own, before producers even presented the survivors with a clue. The finder of a hidden immunity idol can use that idol if he suspects the vote is going to go against him at tribal council; the trick is that the player doesn’t know the result before playing the idol. Once the idol is played, it cannot be taken back. Russell lost one of his hidden immunity idols in just such a way at one tribal council, but because he continued to find them — even convincing one player who was sitting on top of a rock hiding an idol to go look elsewhere — he remained safe. “Russell realized while he was watching ‘Survivor: Gabon’ that the hidden immunity idols were usually hidden in plain sight,” says Probst. “He told himself that if he ever got on the show, he was going to start looking for idols in his spare time, and you really have nothing but time out there.” That strategy has worked for Russell so far, but there’s no immunity in the finale. “It will either be a clean sweep for him because the jury will respect his game or he’ll get no votes because they all hate him,” Probst predicts. Probst thinks Russell played the “strongest, most aggressive” game this season. “But if you don’t win your game,” he adds, “I don’t think you can be called ‘Survivor”s best player ever.”
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:26 am
“It will either be a clean sweep for him because the jury will respect his game or he’ll get no votes because they all hate him,” Probst predicts. Probst thinks Russell played the “strongest, most aggressive” game this season. “But if you don’t win your game,” he adds, “I don’t think you can be called ‘Survivor”s best player ever.” And thus I believe we will see tonight that there was one major flaw in Russell's strategy -- he underestimated the jury and failed to realize he can't bully someone into voting for him. I stand by my analysis from the "Predicting the Final Vote" thread. Natalie will receive the majority of votes and, in fact, has played a better game.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 12:38 pm
I don't consider him the 'best player ever' because he has neglected one of the most important aspects of the game ... the social aspect.
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Jezzedout
Member
09-07-2006
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 1:22 pm
Exactly my point Ladytex. There are a lot of "best ever" titles we could assign to Russell, but "best player" is not one of them. Too bad, too, because he certainly put a lot of effort into winning, but his strategy neglected the social component and thus, that is why Natalie will beat him.
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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 1:43 pm
From TV Funspot -- http://www.tvfunspot.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11137 Survivor Samoa: Spoiling the Finale The finale is upon us and I know I got lax in my duties of spoiling, but life got in the way. I am back though to give you all the information I can about the final episode of Survivor: Samoa! The CBS Press Release Reads: Quote: "This Game Ain't Over" - A shocking new deal is struck even as the remaining castaways face the last two immunity challenges in the game, on a special two-hour season finale, followed by a one-hour live reunion show of SURVIVOR: SAMOA. Well that tells us nothing! I can't see any deal that would be shocking. I would only be shocked if any of the Foa Foa's try to include Brett in their plans. I don't see it happening at all. What I could see happening is Russell convincing Mick that Jaison is the one they need to cut out of the finals or maybe it's Natalie that does it? Not sure, but shocking is a ridiculous term to use this late in the game, nothing shocking is going to happen. I was viewing the extra clips on CBS and found that on Day 36, Jaison is still contemplating quitting. See below: (Note: Sorry, couldn't import the video. If you want to see it follow the link to the original article at the top of this post.) Jaison has no shot to win the title of Sole Survivor. Based on this and based on the fact that he said coming on the show was the worst decision he ever made. The editors would have never let us hear that if was going to crowned the winner. One other thing that we heard from Jaison in Episode 12 was the danger of having Brett in the game. He was the first person that we heard speak on the subject and he said that Brett would win the game if they kept letting him win immunities. Again this past episode it was Jaison that came back and instantly said that it was Shambo, not Mick that needed to go because Shambo had no shot in an immunity against Brett and Mick did. If you add up all these remarks and Jaison being the narrator on the story of the threat that is Brett, it seems to foreshadow that it is Jaison that will end up the victim of Brett's next immunity win. It certainly makes the most sense given the story. I believe it's probably Russell that then recognizes he may be in danger and he goes to cut a deal with Mick in order to cut Jaison out. Russell will need to sell up the fact that nobody will vote for him and he may also play on Jaison's weakening strength as a reason to give him the axe. He will no doubt tell Mick that in order for any Foa Foa to win, Brett will need to be gone and that he will be a much better candidate to beat out Brett than Jaison. The first vote out will probably be Jaison. I do think there is a chance that after Brett comes back with the next immunity, he will try to get a couple Foa Foa's together to take out Mick, whom he perceives is the only person standing in his way of $1,000,000. While I can see Jaison going along with. The other thing I think a Brett immunity win could do is force Jaison into declaring it Natalie's time to go, which we know would force Russell into having Jaison leave the game. Any which way you sort it though, I believe that Jaison finishes in 5th place this season. After the first boot, we'll then have our next boot before we can have the final Tribal Council. I've noticed in the past couple of seasons they have made the challenges less time consuming and more about mental endurance than physical. I could see Natalie winning the final immunity if it has something to do with agility, but otherwise I would think it goes to Mick. The final immunity challenge win has to go someone, anyone besides Brett. There is no way that he is in the final three. For those of you that like him or are hoping he can pull it out, he can't. The editors hid him for so long and also hid the fact that he is likable. If he made the final 3 it would be a slamdunk victory for him. If the story was to end this way we would have learned a lot more about him and we, as an audience would be pulling for him at this point. We aren't, are we? I'm not and neither are my friends who are casual viewers. So the final cut is the last remaing Galu, Brett. He'll leave without incident I believe, as once he looses the necklace, his game is over. This will leave a final three of: Mick, Natalie and Russell. Remember that Tribal Council when Natalie wanted to stay out of the way in case Ben and Jaison came to blows? Well you can just imagine Natalie in the middle of Russell and Mick arguing that they played the stronger game...meanwhile she'll avoid the fray. Three Foa Foa's, who, against all the odds battled back from a 8 to 4 deficit at the merge to claim every seat in the finals. This was in no small part attributable to the masterful play of Russell. Each Foa Foa had a part in executing the strategy, but it was Russell finding idol after idol that kept them protected. I believe 100% that Russell did Outwit, Outplay and Outlast the rest. I however do not think that jury believes he did, or at least they don't think he is deserving of the prize. Mick can't win this game. His stuggle will be to explain why he did not make any strategic moves to get rid of his biggest opposition on Foa Foa, Russell. He may speak eloquently, but it will be for a losing cause. The editors have not done enough with his character to show us anything other than a player that waffles about making the big move, but never does. He was a failure as a leader on Foa Foa and hidden throughout most of the game. Russell should win this game, but doesn't. Last episode sealed the deal on a Russell loss. The editors decided to show the meaner side of Russell, as he said mean things about Monica, Brett and Shambo. There was a reason they showed us exactly how cruel Russell can be - to get us to turn our attention off rooting for him and look to someone else as our Sole Survivor. Natalie will win this game because she has forged relationships on the jury and she has been strategic in her actions. She may have ridden on the coattails of Russell, but she told us from the start she was going to do this and give it her best shot. She has never been portrayed as anything but charming and nice. She let the others plot their own demise and she was responsible, at least in the edited version of the girls of Galu booting Erik. One move that did turn the tide in changing the game. Natalie did outwit and outlast, but I find a hard time seeing how she outplayed Russell. Still, she will be your winner tonight! My Jury Breakdown Thoughts: Erik - I tend to believe that Erik does value the masterful play of Russell. I did notice though he wasn't very happy with Russell wearing and not playing the idol last episode. I still believe that in the end Erik will look at the three games played and give RUSSELL his vote. Kelly - There is no way that anyone but NATALIE gets Kelly's vote. She called Russell all sorts of names and obviously does not value his play. I would also think she'd like to give the last girl left standing a nod of approval. Laura - Russell lost her vote the moment he went to her with the idol. She can't stand him and her own hubris wouldn't allow her to vote for him ever in this lifetime. I think that the bond that she did form with NATALIE will give her a little reason to cast her vote in that direction, though I suspect she doesn't want to vote for any of the finalists. John - John seems the most likely to appreciate Russell's gameplay to me. I think his exit interviews indicate that he is happy with his vote and in viewing the season as I have, I think Russell deserves it and I believe John does too. He votes RUSSELL. Dave - Dave is a clown and a jerk in my opinion, but hey he's got a vote. I've got no clue as to where he's going to throw his vote, though I do think that his inclination may be to give it to Natalie. He's a ? for me right now, with a leaning NATALIE direction after his name. Monica - I would tend to think Monica would join in with Kelly and Laura in voting for Natalie, but I think there is an outside shot that she would reward the best player and give Russell her vote. Nah, I'm giving her too much credit, she votes for NATALIE. Shambo - She's in love with Russell and votes for RUSSELL. Jaison - This is tough because we aren't sure the circumstances of his departure. I can see him voting for any of the finalists without hesitation. A few episodes back he had a confessional about how proud he was of Natalie and how far she'd come. He and Mick seem to have a lot in common as far as their lots in life and they seem to be friends. But then there's Russell, who was supposed to be Jaison's final 2 guy. Jaison expressed his love for Russell finding all the idols too. I don't know, but I think this vote could go to MICK and it could be Mick's only vote. Brett - I've got no doubt in my mind that Brett bands with Laura and crew and votes for NATALIE. So that leaves my voting projections at: NATALIE - 5 votes RUSSELL - 3 votes MICK - 1 vote So that will be a victory for Natalie. It will also explain why Jeff Probst in his blogs has at several points tried to highlight some of Natalie's more notable moments. In addition, I think it explains a lot of the very positive edit that she has gotten. In sum, I think the story in Survivor Samoa is not so much about who wins and how they win. I think it's better expressed as how Russell loses the game. While he may arguably be one of the best players the game has ever seen, the one thing he didn't realize is he can't expect the jury to vote the same way that he would. Not all jury members will credit gameplay, some may just want to stick it to him because they just don't like him. His fault though for playing up the cocky and arrogant role. He better tone that down for All-Stars or he's got no shot at going anywhere. Big dummy.
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Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 4:41 pm
Good find and good analysis, Jezzedout.
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 1:36 pm
Russell's final interview with RNO (Reality News Online) ************************* “I’m F@%#ing Really Pissed Off!” – RealityNewsOnline’s Exclusive Interview with Survivor: Samoa’s Runner-Up, Russell by David Bloomberg -- 12/21/2009 As you can imagine, Russell is pissed off! He holds nothing back in this interview, telling us exactly what he thought about the result, Natalie, Jaison, and the jurors. He also explains some of his other actions, so jump right in and read on! RealityNewsOnline: Hello, Russell, and thanks for taking the time to talk to here at RealityNewsOnline. I’ll just jump in because I know we’re short on time. Be honest – how pissed off are you that you didn’t win? Because I know I was kind of pissed off and I’m not involved! Russell: Can I cuss? I’m f@%#ing really pissed off! It is a f@%#ing shame that the that jumped on my back the whole time, rode my coattails, won the game. I played that game better than anybody in history. And you tell me I can’t win because I got a bunch of sore losers on the jury?! Probably the worst jury in history. They was dumb as hell anyway because they went to the merge eight to four and they can’t even keep that. It baffles my mind that I didn’t win this game. I thought for sure I was winning. RNO: Former contestant Eliza Orlins tweeted that this was the worst jury ever. Russell: Jimmy Fallon tweeted also saying I got screwed. A lot of people are upset about this and I’m upset about this. This isn’t even Amber and Boston Rob – it’s much worse. I played that game with all my heart and soul. I had a feeling that I wasn’t going to win – I can read read people, that’s what I do. Even still ,when they said Natalie won, it broke my heart. I knew she won but I took it so serious. This game is legit. Everybody knows I make a good living, I have a good job. I stepped into a realm of a world that is that once in a lifetime type thing where you try to go on the show; if you make it, it’s an amazing thing. I made it, I played it, and I lost. It’s crazy. I thought for sure I won. I thought I won until the jury started talking. Then I knew I lost. RNO: Why do you think this particular jury voted for Natalie instead of you? Russell: Because nobody had ever seen anybody play as hard as me. I embarrassed them so much they had to put Natalie’s name down. People say I didn’t play a social game. I had a huge social game – I had Natalie on my coattails. I had Mick, Jaison, and Shambo following me. That’s why nobody put my name down. I’m like Jesse James – you don’t want to draw your guns on him. They were scared to death of me. The difference between me and Jesse is I’m never going to take my guns off. It’s crazy. Jaison won’t even talk to me now because I burned his socks. He is a Stanford grad. I had so much respect for him, even though I talked in a negative light about him. He can’t get over the fact that I burned his socks. That is amazing to me that he can be so smart and so dumb at the same time. He’s going to be in trouble – he’s going to be an attorney but I’ll never hire him. He’ll never succeed because he is too weak. RNO: You talked about possibly being the best player in Survivor history. Do you truly believe that, especially given the overall apparently weak competition you were up against? Russell: I believe I was the best player in Survivor history by far. That’s a good question because maybe not – they were so weak, it might have just been too easy. I feel sorry for all of ‘em because they had to play with me. Like Marisa was the best player out there. Marisa would have won any other season and she went number one because I had too much respect for her. She was a strong woman – I love strong women, but not in a game, so I get rid of her and I take control of the game. I keep saying this – I know that if I wouldn’t have got Marisa out of that game, she would have won the entire game. It’s sad she had to play with me because I messed up her whole experience in the Survivor world by having to play with me. RNO: When Jeff Probst asked you about your comments regarding “ girls” last night you said you didn’t regret anything you did. OK, but what about some of the more insulting things you said? It’s one thing to play the game as a game, rather than as real life, but why did you say those things, which were outside the game? Russell: You’re never outside the scope of the game. Never. When you’re playing that game, if you’re real and you’re good, you throw your character out the window. You put yourself in that fantasy world and you play the game. Everything you say is part of the game. I don’t regret a thing I said, it was all part of the game. I stepped into that game and threw away my morals and character and stepped outside who I am. I did a damn good job playing it. All that stuff I said, it just kept me focused in the game. I gotta stay strong, I gotta do this and believe this. I gotta stay focused. There was a strategic move in everything that came out of my mouth. RNO: Why did you think sabotaging Foa Foa early in the game was wise, given that it weakened the whole tribe? Russell: I knew that I was good enough in the game strategically that I didn’t have to have numbers in the merge. Surprise, I didn’t have to! Russell was right. We know that’s a fact! On the other hand, getting rid of their water and burning their socks causes chaos. That’s how I got rid of Marisa. She got up and she was mad. Ben was mad. She had to go. Nobody can tell me I weakened the tribe when I went to the final five with my tribe! No, it don’t work like that – not when you play as good as me. I could go by myself and I’d have dominated the game. RNO: You’re being pulled out for your next media appearance, so let me open it up to you as my final question – do you have anything else you’d like to say about your time on Survivor? Russell: It’s a shame. This is probably the worst disappointment in history of any kind of reality TV, because I was so dedicated to that game. It broke my heart when I found out I didn’t win. I played so hard. I was so focused. I wanted that title. I didn’t get it. The girl that did absolutely nothing. She says her best move was to go talk about Erik. That was my decision – I told her to do that and she did what I told her to do. Her best strategic move was to jump on my back. Oh, and I have a new website that was just created: Russellgotscrewedgotscrewed.com. Go check it out. [Writer’s note: I did a brief check on it, and it looks like a place where people can get Russell shirts and the like, and a donation will go to one of Russell’s favorite charities, St. Jude’s Hospital.] RNO: Thanks again, Russell!
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Roxip
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01-29-2004
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 1:38 pm
Nice of him to show his ability to be gracious, isn't it?
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 1:53 pm
(LOL) Roxip ... my thoughts exactly!!! Just cut and pasted this here for you guys from the recap over at CBS.com, just in case you have any questions as to how many votes Natalie actually did get. "With this, the nine members of the jury cast their votes, and with 7 out of the nine votes cast in her favor, Natalie White, the 26-year-old pharmaceutical representative from Van Buren, Arkansas wins the title of Sole Survivor and the million dollar prize of SURVIVOR: SAMOA."
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 2:12 pm
Loved that interview with Russell...what a class act (said with major sarcasm) Funny how he talks about having Natalie on his coattail and Mick and Jaison following him. Maybe it should be pointed out to him that they were following him, so if a bullet was fired, it would hit him first, and they'd be left standing...not a horribly bad strategy to me.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 2:31 pm
He has been insufferably rude, crude and insulting since his loss last night. Just imagine if he had won - "Russell is the Greatest and Everyone Else Sucks, All Must Bow to my Greatness" on blast. He's doing a great job of diminishing his accomplishments in the game by shifting the perception of him from "great competitor" to "sore loser."
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 2:36 pm
I wonder if Russell even realizes that with every interview and bitter declaration of his deserving to win the game, he only validates the very reason he didn't win the game.
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Misspoufy
Member
09-30-2004
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 3:12 pm
I think Russell is more upset because he realizes that there's no way he's won S20 either, if he continued the same type of gameplay. I never liked Russell, but I admired the way he dominated the game. He was too much like Evil Dick from BB...how he managed to win I'll never understand.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 3:46 pm
ED won because he threw himself on his sword for his daughter by giving her his veto necklace, and also by winning the last several challenges to get himself and Danielle to the finals while Danielle sat back and filed her nails. I think the guy who came in third probably gave the jury information about how hard the last physical competition was on ED and how hard he fought after Danielle wimped out (and yes, ED was his usual crappy self to whats-his-name after losing that comp). Danielle didn't play a likable social game either, she came off as aloof and brattish. She wasn't as unlikeable as Dick, but she also didn't stand out for her efforts in important competitions. In contrast, Natalie played hard in the competitions and was well liked overall. She also engineered the downfall of Galu by convincing them to evict Eric. She stuck with her alliance and showed intense loyalty therein. She made smart decisions that let Russell take the bullets while she received the same gain. There were plenty of reasons to NOT vote for Russell. There was no outstanding reason to NOT vote for Natalie. MHO.
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 4:03 pm
I love this headline from an article over at Survivor Fever: ******************* Hantz: "Survivor" White Undeserving Runner-Up Calls 26-Year-Old Winner a "Cheerleader"; White Says She's Laughing All the Way to the Bank
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 6:34 pm
I am disappointed in how he is talking since the loss. He should see that he had ton of ppl saying he is best to play the game if title is so important. There has to be a deeper thing going on about why this title was so important to him. I also think that ppl saying he should win, he has to win, he is the best, etc has gone to his head and I think that he took it harder than if he hadnt had this big fan base
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 6:38 pm
he had a big head before he left the islands, Listening to him in the last two shows, was enough to make me gag. At one point he was talking about his gameplay with jaison and Natalie, about how smart he was and I remember thinking, boy if I was them I would want to take him down a peg
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 6:59 pm
Someone said that years from now we will remember Russell as the man who should have won. I can now safely say that I am much more likely to remember him as the poorest sport and sorest loser in Survivor history than as the man who should have won. I think Whoami put it perfectly - "with every interview and bitter declaration of his deserving to win the game, he only validates the very reason he didn't win the game."
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 7:43 pm
quote:Whoami Monday, December 21, 2009 - 2:36 pm - I wonder if Russell even realizes that with every interview and bitter declaration of his deserving to win the game, he only validates the very reason he didn't win the game.
Exactly right!
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 6:17 am
For those that want to know: Russell just told this to Dalton Ross in a video/telcon interview at EW.com. The two who did vote for Russell to win were Shambo and John.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 6:38 am
Whoa Hermione, you took the words right out of my brain.
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Alaginger
Member
07-11-2002
| Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 8:07 am
I just listened to Russell on a video/telcon with Dalton Ross at EW.com. Russell says the two jury members who voted for him were Shambo and John. So, that means that Jaison didn't even give Russell his vote after dragging his sorry a*s all the way to Final Five. Am I surprised? "NO" Russell does say a lot of bitter things about losing, but when really backed down about Natalie, he says, "Oh, don't get me wrong. I love Natalie. She's one of my girls. There will always be a small place in my heart for Natalie." He just doesn't think she deserved to win. If he is angry with anybody, it is with the jury. And, he said that everybody on the jury came up to him aterwards, after actually being able to view the whole season and told him they made a mistake. Of course, that doesn't mean they mean it in their heart .... maybe just trying to appease Russell .... but then maybe they truly feel that way. We will never know. Natalie is the Sole Survivor and the winner of $1 million, and "that's that!"
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Mamabatsy
Member
08-05-2005
| Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 8:49 am
How can Russell complain about the jury being bitter when he is every bit as bitter as they are? It's over. He either misread the jury or didn't realize he needed to work for their votes. He lost!
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 9:50 am
Like I said elsewhere, big deal that they said they made a mistake after seeing the Jeff Probst/CBS production of The Russell Show. This season has been edited with such a bias that I think it crossed the line.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 10:14 am
Equally funny is that the edit was probably made after CBS knew who was the winner. Was the rest of the cast so vanilla that they didn't have anything more to show us? Let's blame casting then if the best people to be on Survivor this season were Russell and Shambo.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 10:25 am
That's a good point, Roxip. I would think that if they had more to show on Natalie, Mick and Brett, they would have showed it. The producers have to work with the material that the contestants give them. They would have no particular reason to make it the Russell show if the other contestants had given them good material.
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Askme_who_ur
Member
08-19-2006
| Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 11:14 am
If Russell's goal was to be the most hated villain in the history of Survivor, then it is possible he holds that title. It looks like 99% of the posts around here revolve or involve him. I am not defending any of his actions, but I think with all the heart and soul he has put into the game, he feels robbed. You may not agree but that is the way he feels. He never impressed me as one to be able to show subtle feelings. He played hard and raw and if he would have won, as some have said, he would have won loud and proud. He just lost and it is just as raw and loud. It is who he is. He shows his emotions full force. He just puts himself out there whether good or bad. I do believe he is fiercely protective and if you are his friend, he will be there for you no matter what. Anytime people are in the throws of passion the emotions are strong. I bet after a bit of time has passed, he will be able to look more objectively at this and he might surprise everyone with a different perspective. Just as the bitterness of the jury will subside and they may look at this season differently. This is an interesting game where you play the game. Go home. Watch it all again but this time you are privy to things you didn't know while playing. The emotions then are rekindled and that is what makes the reunion shows so unique. If Jaison had known it was Russell who burned his socks during the game would he have played a different game? I think so.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 5:11 pm
I said that years from now people will remember him, not that he should be the winner. The jury decides the winner, taking into account their feelings also. NO way was Russell going to get the vote of Monica, Laura or Kelly. EVER. Russell thought he was a given with the men but even Jaison didn't vote for him. He did however get the vote on gameplay from Shambo and John. Russell treated the people on Galu with contempt while they were still in the game....Even Jaison knew it before the merge. That's where I think he lost the vote. During the game. Jeff loves big personality's but can also detest players. Jeff totaly disliked Brian (Thailand) as a winner and hated that season. Jeff also hated All Stars yet he's doing it again. He disliked dealing with their big egos and he absolutly hated the scene with Susan yelling at him about Richard. Despite eveything, Jeff needs big personality's or the show can quickly go down hill such as the Vecepia win against Neleh. I just hope Jeff continues as host. I think his contract is up after season 20 and he is banking on a new show he's coming out with called.. Live Like You're Dying. If it's a hit he may be gone.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 5:25 pm
For those in L.A. there is this bit of news. CBS is inviting everyone who has ever appeared on the show, along with producers and crew who helped get us to this landmark moment a red carpet press event and party in Los Angeles on Saturday, January 9th 2010. To be part of the Television Critics Association’s winter press tour. A total of 301 cast members have been invited but most have to pay their own expenses. The cast of season 20 will have their expenses paid by CBS.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 9:27 pm
years from now people will remember him, not that he should be the winner. Yep, as they will Johnny Fairplay...both memorable guys... not winners.
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