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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:07 pm
looks like Russell didn't get to keep his HII. When he so arrogantly said he wasn't going to play the HII because he wanted to keep it as a souvenir, I turned to my DS and said, nope it will be taken by production and auctioned off at the end of the game Survivor Samoa Hidden Immunity Idol current bid $2,650.00
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:09 pm
OOps double post. Every season we see these hypocritical bitter people. They condemn one of the finalists for not playing an honest, honorable game, for lying and deceiving. And yet everyone on that panel also lied and deceived. Everyone participated in a blind side where they either straight out or by implication told the person blindsided that they were safe. I think in a way Russell is more honest than any of them because at least he does not lie to them or to himself. And could anyone have been more of a weany than Mick. I was sorely disappointed in him.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:11 pm
Allie... I was not playing the game so not a sore loser and not bitter... and I agree that he played a great physical game and was very good with strategy... but I don't think he played a social game which is an equal part of the game. Bypassing that portion of the game takes him away from being the best player...
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:16 pm
Lance... exactly. With a different jury Russell may have won. Some jury;s may value the physical strength in the game whereas this one valued personal relationships. The key to winning is knowing the jury members and what they will value. Russell never bothered to see if they played like him or had their own criteria. Natalie knew she had to forge friendships with the jury members
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Askme_who_ur
Member
08-19-2006
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:17 pm
I think that is totally it Jezz. He already knew the outcome and was just stunned . What people are calling a sore loser is just disappointment. He was a bit over the top with arrogance. But most of what he has been getting on FB and in real life were people telling him how great he was/is. I think in the same situation my ego would be inflated as well. Then to sit among people you bested and have them be the sore losers and not recognize your accomplishments was disappointing. You could tell it in his face.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:23 pm
Then to sit among people you bested and have them be the sore losers and not recognize your accomplishments was disappointing. You could tell it in his face. Did he not think they would watch the show?
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:24 pm
As to the website, we have no way of knowing if he is on the level. I suspect he is. I suspect that ll money above expenses will go to St. Jude's. He wasn't in the game for the money, so I seriously doubt he would be cheating on an internet site to earn a few bucks. Sorry that just does not ring true to me.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:25 pm
Bonbon, I was not referring to people on this site as being bitter, I was talking about the people on the show. Lord, I hope no one else took it that way.
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Lancecrossfire
Animoderator
07-13-2000
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:37 pm
As long as the jury gets to decide how to pick a winner it's a crap shoot who will win. Remember Greg from S1? He asked them to pick a number between 1 and 100--the one closest got his vote. so vote with their heart, some with objective thoughts only concerning game play Some in between. I think that for me, some lines should never be crossed. Dumping water when it's so hard ot get is one. It's not needed to win. Insulting or making things personal in an attck--it is not needed to win a game. I'd take it into consideration along with game play. I'll admit that I'd have no idea how much I'd use each one if I were playing. The person in the jury the longest has the most time to decompress and think clearly. The one going in minutes before the jury questioning may have lots of raw nerves. I think the best of the players take that into account if votes are still up in the air. In the case of someone like Shambo, she was going to vote for ER no matter what anyone said. What's interesting is that for the most part, the winners have done a fair share of lying and back stabbing. Seems the human ego can't handle a lot of truths but can handle lies.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:37 pm
There have been some bitter juries in the past but I don't think the majority of this jury were. Russell was good at many aspects of the game, but he was horrendously bad at the social game, acting erratically to get out people he'd made deals with, and being just too way out there with his ego, taking credit for things people knew came from other contestants. But I do think Eric(?)'s question/speech to Natalie emotionally allowed some of the other jury to vote for her, when otherwise they might have felt something akin to peer pressure to vote for Russell because of his more obvious and aggressive game. That website has to be fake. Russell has said he doesn't need the money. No one wants to give to a charity via an intermediary site that takes a portion of the money away from said charity, so what on earth is going on there?! I think it has to be a scam website.
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:49 pm
Did anyone see Liz tonight?
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Bigbrotherrocs
Member
09-17-2005
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:54 pm
Although Russell should have won for game play his behavior and attitude when just three were left and his jury answers caused him to loss a million dollars.. He should have beem smart enough at that point to play the social game. The most important part of the game (jury time)and he failed ..
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Christy358
Member
07-10-2007
| Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:59 pm
I was not a Russel fan. I disliked his arrogance. I do not understand why he did not win this season. He ran it. Every step of the way, he was in charge. Good, bad, water socks.....Russel should have won. Immunity idols, final immunity. This was a sour grapes Jury.
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Jezzedout
Member
09-07-2006
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 12:05 am
askme... honestly, i do think it was sincere emotion and, yes, disappointment. russell really grew on me over the course of the season. he made great tv. that's probably the thing he did best and he should take all the credit in the world for that. despite being a fan of his, i'm a student of the game of survivor. it's a game with multiple components -- physical, strategic and social. looking at the three finalists: mick - mediocre physical game, mediocre strategic game, mediocre social game. natalie - mediocre physical game, strong strategic game (hiding behind a stronger player is a legitimate strategy as long as it's done purposefully, which it was in this case), really strong social game. russell - average physical game, really strong strategic game, terribly flawed social game. it's been shown over and over again -- you can win without a strong physical game and you can win without a strong strategic game, but if you neglect the social game and everyone on the jury dislikes you, you won't win. it's as simple as that. i have a feeling russell only watched one or two seasons and thought, "oh, that looks easy!" players every bit as strategic and clever as russell have gone down in flames (rob cesternino). or, they've made it to the end only to get flamed by a bitter jury (rob mariano). russell isn't the first and he won't be the last. i totally appreciate what russell brought to the game. this was a very entertaining season because of him. great tv. i'll even forgive his rude and sexist comments because i believe he is being sincere in his disappointment. but with all of that said, i can't give him the win. the game is the game and what's fair is fair. natalie played a better game. it was the game that got the most votes, which is what it takes to win the game.
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Jezzedout
Member
09-07-2006
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 12:16 am
Ponderosa videos are up on cbs.com. interesting that the series ends with brett's arrival at ponderosa. they aren't showing us the F3 arriving. why not? strange. i wonder if there were russell fireworks when he arrived and things got too ugly for them to show us? now i'm disappointed. i really wanted to see the reactions post-game.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 12:31 am
I doubt if they go to Ponderosa.. they'd keep the jury segregated from the final three.
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Jezzedout
Member
09-07-2006
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 12:34 am
hey sea -- in past seasons we've gotten to see the f3 arrive at ponderosa. no segregation after the final vote. don't know why this season is different.
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Jezzedout
Member
09-07-2006
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 12:44 am
they've got video up of russ on the red carpet. he acknowledges being emotional, devastated, extremely disappointed. but he's unrepentant and writes it's all off to the fact that he humiliated the jury so badly that they were being poor sports. brett in his red carpet interview states clearly that russell lost because he lacked humility and was too arrogant. i fear this is going to be a challenging lesson for russell to learn.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 12:56 am
Oh I loved the Ponderosa clips. Miss Malaprop, Shambo, was out in full force, telling Jaison he needed to watch out for "acid reflex" when he eats. Oy. It's too bad Jaison is a Trekkie....otherwise, he'd be my next ex-boyfriend. :D On the positive side, he and Eric seem to be more than adroit at beer and wine pong. ETA: OMG. Now I'm watching the runner up on the red carpet and--shocking, I know!--he's amazed at his performance and how focused he was! He amazes himself! Who knew? And he calls the Million Dollar Survivor Winner a "stupid little blonde." Lesson? Unlearned.
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Stormie
Member
03-01-2007
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 1:09 am
I haven't seen this episode yet, but from reading here I gather Russell lost, but won fan favorite. I never thought Russell was playing such a fantastic game, it seemed more to me that no one else was playing much, and then it looked like some things came to him a little too easily, i.e., finding the idols. At some point it got predictable, so I thought maybe the players were chosen to make Russell appear to be the best player ever. Anyway, I would not have chosen him as fan favorite, but bc no one else was playing IMO, he probably should have won, regardless, but even him not winning seems predictable. Did Russell really expect to win after making horrible comments to the jury? I'm looking forward to watching the finale,' though, just to see what everyone said. Thanks for the updates everyone 
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 1:13 am
After so many seasons, everyone should know that "bitter" jury members are part of the game. Russell can't be considered a great Survivor player if he hadn't considered that.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 1:28 am
Survivor: Samoa - Life at Ponderosa - Jaison Part One http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehMuMLgvLJI Survivor: Samoa - Life at Ponderosa - Jaison Part Two http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpGEB4EDb9M Survivor: Samoa - Red Carpet Interview - Jaison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs-McUoaCKg&feature=channel
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 1:37 am
Survivor: Samoa - Life at Ponderosa - Brett Part One http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTZARGhlB1Y Survivor: Samoa - Life at Ponderosa - Brett Part Two http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQzBZ5J5Co That's all I've found so far.
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 1:46 am
A few more Red Carpet interviews: Brett Mick Natalie Russell
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Monday, December 21, 2009 - 3:20 am
And he calls the Million Dollar Survivor Winner a "stupid little blonde." and there is the proof that Russell in real life is nothing like the mean spirited jerk we saw on the show 
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