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Csnog
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07-18-2002

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
I agree he got beat for the social aspect of the game.

I also wanted to see more of Natalie, because she was shown bringing the downfall of Eric, and that was important in the game.

I do think we were robbed of seeing more of her gameplay.

The Galu jury played a bad game with dissension within their own tribe.

They let their feelings get in the way of game play which led to their own downfall.

Jezzedout
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09-07-2006

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jezzedout a private message Print Post    
curious to see the ponderosa videos tonight.
i wonder how many lbs natalie lost? she looks absolutely skeletal here at the end. i bet she lost nearly 30 lbs.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
I agree with all those that said that Russell played almost all of this game well...except for the social game. And he can argue it all he wants, but it is part of the game.

Jezzedout
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09-07-2006

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jezzedout a private message Print Post    
the episode is still airing here. looking at jaison on the jury at F4, he looks like james from china and micronesia. i'm sure jaison is pissed to be sitting there, but he sure looks great (-:

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
Bah Humbug. This season will go down as the season that Russel should have won if it wasn't for some bitter poor-loser jury members. And who won instead... um... let's see.... I can't remember! That's how we will look back on season 19.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
Russell might not be the greatest survivor ever, but I do believe he honestly deserves the title of the sorest loser ever. Wow. And what's with the posting of the website (russellgotrobbed.com or whatever it is called) before the show is even over? Ama call it a very bad case of sore loser.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Maybe the most telling thing, to me, was when they did the "Fallen Survivors" thing or whatever they call it. Natalie, Brett, and Mick all said something about the PERSON while Russell insulted at least 4 of the players (I didn't start counting until it became a pattern) or talked about how instrumental they were to him getting to where he was in the game. And then he follows it up with more self-aggrandizing after he wins the immunity challenge. It's exceptionally boring and boorish behavior.

Jezzedout
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09-07-2006

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jezzedout a private message Print Post    
i actually through Russell's opening jury speech was pretty good. the problem was he showed no humility and he wasn't reading his audience. they didn't want to hear him continue praising himself.

mick's speech was lame. wow. stunned that he couldn't have come up with something better than that.

natalie's was respectable. not great, but surely not terrible.

Jezzedout
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09-07-2006

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jezzedout a private message Print Post    
shambo... wow! what was that aabout? (referring to her jury questions)

Askme_who_ur
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08-19-2006

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Askme_who_ur a private message Print Post    
Russell studied one season of Survivor before he went on it. I will ask his wife which season it was they gave him. It would be interesting if it was the 1st season with Richard Hatch because the snake won THAT season. If Russell took his cues from that season, it would be logical that he thought , I can be a better snake then that. Some of what everyone sees as cockiness, I think, he saw as a comparison. If that makes sense to you. It appeared that he was under the impression that if he played the most strategic game he would win. No question. He arrived in LA at least a day or 2 before tonight's show. It appeared that he was well aware of the outcome before the show. whether it was just talk among the other contestants. I don't think it is a case of sore loser. It is more a realization that it he wasn't being rewarded for his great game play. Whether you agreed with it or not , he DID accomplish a few firsts that will probably stand for a few years unless he breaks his own records next year. He DID find more HII without clues than anyone that has played Survivor. the most in one season. He really did control most of the game. He is actually the one that Told natalie to go to the Galu girls and plant the Erik seed per Jeff Probst's blog. He did orchestra almost everyone's ouster. I do agree his social skills were lacking but I bet he was under the impression that his strategic play would outweigh that.
Just MHO

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
i actually through Russell's opening jury speech was pretty good. the problem was he showed no humility and he wasn't reading his audience. they didn't want to hear him continue praising himself.

So it was not good. Arrogance / lack of humility is a big turn-off to most people. That sure includes me.

Northstar
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09-29-2008

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Northstar a private message Print Post    
Sham just reminded me of Palin

Jezzedout
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09-07-2006

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jezzedout a private message Print Post    
dave -- what a waste of a question...

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
It is more a realization that it he wasn't being rewarded for his great game play.

And that's a sore loser. Whatever his game -- it wasn't game-winning.

Jezzedout
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09-07-2006

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 9:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jezzedout a private message Print Post    
erik... way over the top, but loved the way he ended it, and natalie getting teared up. great tv.

Lyn
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08-07-2002

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lyn a private message Print Post    
Didn't understand Brett's question at all

Jezzedout
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09-07-2006

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jezzedout a private message Print Post    
lyn, brett was trying to find out whether mick had learned anything about him as a person. mick's answer told brett that mick had learned nothing about him and brett then gave his vote to natalie.

Keldogg
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08-12-2005

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Keldogg a private message Print Post    
I think the answer that did Russell in was when he said he valued honesty, loyalty and integrity the most in the world. I was shocked when he said that, because the first thing that popped into my head is Not True. He valued winning the title and the money more than those three things. Wonder if that had anything to do with the votes?

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tishala a private message Print Post    
Jaison's speech in the reunion about Natalie's game play? Excellent. It's one Natalie should have thought of herself.

Northstar
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09-29-2008

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Northstar a private message Print Post    


Brett's adorable.

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
With a different jury ER wins the game--the jury that voted Hatch to win proves that. Look at BB--some folks vote strictly by game play, some vote taking other things into account.

Part of the thing about being the sole survivor is knowing which of that type you are seeing on the jury. Most of the comments and questions we saw from the jury tonight related to more personal issues. Brett wanted to see if someone got something about Brett--I call that kind of thing much more personal than game play.

I don't think there is a single winner who would have won again if all of the other juries that had played survivor voted. So out of 18 other juries, I don't think Hatch would win. I believe the jury from Survivor 1 would have picked ER as the winner.

Jezzedout
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09-07-2006

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jezzedout a private message Print Post    
you know... i actually believe Russell's reaction is sincere. i think he really is stunned to have lost and is deeply disappointed.

Jezzedout
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09-07-2006

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jezzedout a private message Print Post    
i loved that john, in his jury question, helped to "illuminate" natalie's game strategy (-:

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Holly, I don't think he was so much a sore loser as truly hurt.

If the situation had been reversed, he would have voted with his head not his heart.

His problem was that he expected people to vote for the best player, not against a player because they disliked him. These were bitter people, and he just did not get it.

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 11:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
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