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Jezzedout
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09-07-2006
| Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 9:14 pm
Hey all, Thanks for clarifying about the Long Beach and other events. Even if a few years ago, I had no idea people were meeting up en masse, or were coming from so far away!! Really supports my belief that this forum is unique in terms of the sense of community that exists here at TVCH. I may not post frequently, but I've been lurking regularly for nearly ten years now, since BB1, and I've always really appreciated that that there are so many regulars here who return year after year to engage in respectful dialogue about the shows we all love. Forgive my waxing sentimental, but do want to give a shout out to the moderators and regular members who make this such a great forum. Happy Holidays all!
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Rvon
Member
12-11-2003
| Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 9:29 pm
I am thoroughly confused. Does anyone know the actual date Survivor 19 finished filming? I also heard Survivor 20 began 10 days after S19 finished so does that mean that S20 filming is all finished now too?
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 9:34 pm
Rvon, yes. There are already spoilers and possible boot lists out there
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 9:35 pm
I'm wishing I lived in LA! Tishala, thanks for the cast list. I have a question.
Spoiler Click below to view spoiler | Is it Boston Rob on the Villians? |
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Jezzedout
Member
09-07-2006
| Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 9:36 pm
Aurora, Lexie and Sea... Regarding F2/F3 sequestration from the jury post-voting... In the past several seasons, they have absolutely 100% shown the F2/F3 arriving at Ponderosa. For some reason CBS isn't letting me hyperlink to the videos directly, however, if you go to the Survivor section on CBS.com, then click on "Ponderosa". When the Ponderosa page comes up, you'll see it's divided into sections by season. Scroll down and you'll see Survivor: Tocantins Ponderosa. The first video is titled "Survivor Tocantins - Life at Ponderosa: Saying Goodbyes." That video shows JT and Stephen driving to Ponderosa after the final vote and meeting up with the jury members there. Under Survivor: Gabon, see the video titled "Survivor: Gabon - The Top Three in Ponderosa." The title says it all. Scroll down a little further and you'll see video for the Fans vs. Favs season. "Survivor: Fans vs Favorites - Last Call for Ponderosa" has Amanda and Parv arriving at Ponderosa and the whole gang having a final blow out party. Now that was a jury that knew how to let go of the game in the end! Even with all the blindsides that season, they seemed like they had a blast hanging out and partying together before they left Micronesia. That was the season that got me hooked on the Ponderosa videos. Anyway, my point is -- the three seasons prior to this we've gotten video of the F2/F3 arriving at Ponderosa. So why not his season?
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Kitt
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09-06-2000
| Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 9:36 pm
According to Wikipedia, Samoa finished filming July 19 and Heroes vs Villians filmed from August to September (they don't show day of the month).
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 9:39 pm
The final castaways *do* go to Ponderosa and they get to mingle with the jury. For some reason, they haven't shown it this season. However, here's a clip from last season: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUE2HYPrwzo As for the voting clips for the final Tribal Council, I don't think they've ever shown them on YouTube nor cbs.com. (ETA: Oops, Jezzedout beat me to it.)
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Jezzedout
Member
09-07-2006
| Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 9:47 pm
PS... I'm not sure about final vote videos in previous season. I'm tending to agree with those of you who say they have never shown the full votes for the final. I don't have a clear memory of it from previous seasons, and I don't find final vote videos anywhere on CBS.com. That said, Jeff usually polls everyone at the reunion so we usually have a pretty good sense of who voted from whom.
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Jezzedout
Member
09-07-2006
| Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 9:53 pm
Good find on the YouTube video Spear. I always go to CBS.com so it never occurred to me to look for a repost on YouTube.
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Jezzedout
Member
09-07-2006
| Friday, December 25, 2009 - 12:34 am
On a different topic -- Let's talk about Shambo and Laura at the reunion. I haven’t seen much discussion on this subject but I’m curious as to everyone else's reactions to Sham’s and Laura's comments. Here’s how I interpreted what I saw. Jeff asks Shambo to “tell me about the situation with you and Laura,” asking, “was it just friction from the beginning because that’s how you are?” Now I thought Shambo’s response was pretty reasonable. She talked about them both being strong, independent women who each “rule the roost" in their normal lives. Her explanation was, in summary, “Hey, neither one of us is a bad person but we’re two alpha females with very different styles and it was inevitable that we’d butt heads. But, hey, it’s all good.” Her comment was diplomatic and probably at least in part true. So Jeff follows up with Laura, asking simply “what’s your take on it.” Now Laura could have said, “Ya, Shambo’s right. We’re just really different people, and we’re both strong women and we approach things very differently. So Shambo and I didn’t necessarily connect.” Now given the time limitation of the live show, Jeff probably would have been satisfied with that answer and moved on to someone else. But that’s not how it went down. Here’s what Laura says instead. “Like Shambo said, we both have our own interpretation of what happened. I don’t specifically remember doing the balk (chicken sound) with Shambo, heh, heh.” In other words, let me point out for everyone what a dork Shambo is for using sound effects to explain her analogy of us being two hens ruling the roost. “But you know what, so many things could have transpired from that. I think that there was a threat, because when the tribe would say "who’s the strongest woman" and they would say Laura -- you know Shambo being the marine and I’m being the grandma, and we're gonna go with who's the strongest one and we’re going to go with granny? I think it’s probably kind of hard to hear.” In other words, Laura is pointing out to us that she was stronger than Shambo and Shambo was threatened by that; and, whether that’s true or not, it’s Laura taking one more opportunity to rub Shambo’s nose in it. And, this time she’s doing it on live television where millions of people are guaranteed to see it. But she doesn’t stop there. No, she goes on to say – “I loved the girls on my tribe. They reminded me of my daughters so there was this bond. (turning to look at Shambo) I just think that there were just so many different elements that played into it.” In other words, Laura shared a bond with the other girls and Shambo didn’t, again pointing out to Shambo – and everybody else – that Shambo wasn’t part of her circle with the other girls. So Jeff then asks, “What’s the status today? Are you guys talking? Not talking? Ever going to talk again?” Here Laura begins to stutter... and Shambo just shrugs her shoulders. Jeff says, “wow, that just said it all.” Laura goes on to talk about how there’s been forgiveness on both sides, but it’s probably not a relationship that will continue and they will probably "go our own separate ways" according to Laura. I’m perplexed. There’s a few things I don’t understand. Yes, I get that the show painted Laura as something of a villain in the Laura/Shambo storyline, however, Shambo didn’t necessarily get a fairytale edit either. In fact, Sham was shown as a bit of a buffoon at times; other times as irrational; other times as a strict authoritarian unwilling to take input from others; and in the end, as someone who was weak and couldn’t help them win critical challenges. If you think about it, Sham’s edit was equally as unflattering as Laura’s edit. So with that said, when it came time for Laura to do post-boot interviews and as the subject of Shambo would inevitably come up, there were many different ways Laura could have handled that subject. Again, she could have taken the high road and talked about them being strong women on a small island in a really stressful situation, yada yada. But, in every interview I read, she talks about how Sham didn’t fit in with this group that she was so bonded with, and she talks about how everyone viewed her as being the stronger woman and Sham must have been threatened by that. More telling, however, was her protesting that she was unfairly portrayed as a "mean girl" and stating repeatedly that she was never mean to Shambo. Laura: “The frustrating part is -- I'm being portrayed as this mean girl -- don't you think that if CBS had footage of me being mean to her and calling her names they would show it? They absolutely would.” Laura: “I would challenge anybody to show me one thing that I did to be mean to her. Because believe me, if I did something mean, CBS would show it. CBS would be playing it again, and again, and again. I didn’t do anything to her. She, I think, was threatened by the fact that every time we’d go to a challenge, and they’d say, “Okay you need your strongest girl and your strongest guy,” and the team would be, you know, “Lo Lo, Laura, you’re our strongest girl.” Okay, thanks, Shambo’s really gonna hate me now! It’s like, who do we want to go for the stronger girl: the ex-Marine, or the grandma? And they’re like, “We’re gonna take the grandma.” [laughs] I’m sure she was like, “Okay, nice.” In the Ponderosa video for Shambo’s exit, as Shambo and Laura are reunited in Ponderosa the first thing Sham does it comment to Laura how pretty Laura looks at every tribal council. The remainder of the video we see Laura and Kelly keeping their distance from Sham and making it very clear that they still have issues with her. In Shambo’s exit interviews, she basically says "ya, I was excluded and they were mean to me but we don’t need to rehash all that cause it’s all good and, hey, Laura’s a great Christian woman!" It’s not like Shambo came out in her post-game interviews and called Laura out and was holding a grudge. Sham seemed quite forgiving, and in fact, even owned up to her own bad behavior issuing an apology to Laura for the "vomit on her face" comment (LOL!). And come the reunion show, she again takes the high road and says simply that they were two alpha women and they were bound to butt heads. But Laura couldn’t leave well enough alone, and goes on to again point out that (note, I’ll point out here that this is only Laura’s opinion) Shambo was threatened by her, that Shambo didn’t fit in and Laura was well liked and was bonded with the group, and, just in case Shambo might be enjoying her few minutes in the limelight, Laura points out to everyone what a dork Shambo is. Laura says she wasn’t mean to Shambo, and she "would challenge anybody to show me one thing that I did mean to her." I know there’s been some discussion about the secret scene with Shambo and Laura where Sham cries about her sister. I don’t want to bring that video into this discussion because there’s too much unknown about the context of that video and whether Dave may have witnessed part, or all of that conversation. So in fairness I think it’s hard to draw anything conclusive from that scene. That said, there was a different video, also a secret scene that I think might have been part of the Thanksgiving clip show, or it might have been online (I’ll look for it after I post this and if I find it I’ll bring it over), and in that scene it was Laura, Kelly and Monica around the fire at night and it was Laura making a point to mention how "socially awkward" Shambo is and how she doesn’t fit in with them. I’d say that qualifies as mean. In fact, it’s the epitome of mean. Talking about someone in negative terms when they aren’t around, reinforcing why that person doesn’t fit in and making sure everyone else knows the person doesn’t fit in is cliquish and exclusionary behavior. The last thing I’ll note about Laura is this. When Shambo confronted Laura at one point, and later at Ponderosa when John was talking with Laura about some events that transpired, Laura used the term "that’s your perception" and "that’s your perception, so that’s your problem." I have three siblings. Two of them are fond of using phrases like, "I’m sorry you feel that way." It all means the same thing. The person saying this is saying that they take no responsibility for their actions that cause you to perceive them that way, and they are putting it all back on you. Laura takes no responsibility for her part. To her, it’s all how Shambo perceived it and Shambo must be perceiving it incorrectly. So in summary, Laura exits the game and goes on and on about how she wasn’t mean and she doesn’t understand how she got painted that way. And Shambo comes out and makes no accusations but says, essentially, it’s all good and Laura’s "a great Christian woman!" So, I’m looking at Laura and I’m thinking -- what’s the phrase -- "doth protest too much" ? So, I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest what I think might really be going on here. One of the booted players in their post-game interviews said that Laura had made a statement in the first day or two of the game where she wondered who was the gay person since there's always at least one gay person on the show. And, it hadn't occurred to me until I saw some people posting about it on a different forum that Shambo sort of does have that lesbian vibe about her. I don't know if Sham is gay or not, and it has no bearing one way or another on how I view her as a person. Sham didn't reference the subject on the show or in her interviews so it's not really relevant to anything we saw on the show. However, that said, as a "Christian woman" a/k/a evangelical bible thumper, I suspect Laura's probably not really comfortable with the idea of homosexuality. I'm guessing Shambo's lesbian vibe probably makes Laura a bit uncomfortable and that manifests in the way she treats Sham. That's a pretty simplistic explanation, but this is an overly long post so I'm going to leave it at that. Anyway, those are my thoughts. Curious to hear how others interpret it.
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Tvclubber
Member
06-22-2008
| Friday, December 25, 2009 - 5:04 am
Merry Christmas, everyone! Shambo behaved with refreshing diplomacy many times throughout the game, when she was booted, and during the televised finale. Her graciousness may be rooted in life-experience maturity, something the self-entitled, self-involved, superior-believing game players clearly lack. Laura's motives for relentlessly demeaning Shambo may be rooted in a need to be part of the "in" crowd. She, Kelly, and Monica behaved like seventh-grade cheerleaders toward Shambo. Mean, mean, mean. Typical popular-girl behavior. Just because Laura is a reported Christian, it doesn't mean her Christianity plays any part in her problem with Shambo. It's just as possible that Laura and Shambo had the proverbial power-grab encounter and that Laura was better equipped at bonding with the "in" crowd. People engage in this ridiculous battle every day in the RW. Placing Laura as a lesbian-hater is equal to placing detractors of the current US president as racists. Plenty of people don't like his Marxist beliefs, which has nothing to do with his being biracial (BTW: So am I).
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, December 25, 2009 - 5:08 am
Wow Jezz... very thorough analysis. Bravo! The only thing I question is that if Shambo were a lesbian I would think she would be comfortable and not hide it. I would think that she would have been the 1st to suggest that Laura did not like her because of her sexual orientation...
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Nerovh
Member
06-11-2005
| Friday, December 25, 2009 - 5:20 am
Laura has no grace or class in how she treats others, plain and simple. She cannot accept the fact that viewers liked her less than somebody who she deemed as beneath her. Laura needs to grow up and get over herself, and dump the "mean girl" mentality that she apparently never grew out of.
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Tvclubber
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06-22-2008
| Friday, December 25, 2009 - 5:37 am
Based on what I've seen of Shambo, I think she would make a great friend. I wish her the very best in life. I wish them all well.
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Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004
| Friday, December 25, 2009 - 7:01 am
Jezz, I never said the jury doesn't go to Ponderosa. Someone waaaaaaay up thread posted about Russell alienating the jury at Ponderosa; however, by the time Russell went to Ponderoa, the final vote has already taken place.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Friday, December 25, 2009 - 7:39 am
thanks for the answers re final vote video and Merry Christmas!
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, December 25, 2009 - 8:03 am
Laura may be a "mean female," but "mean girl" was MANY years ago!
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Rvon
Member
12-11-2003
| Friday, December 25, 2009 - 11:22 am
Oh, very good, Tntitanfan!! Laura reminded me of someone who wanted to prove she could still "fit in" with the cute, young girls even though she is a grandmother. I thought her answers were very, very mean and I thought Shambo's answers were very classy, as she could have been just as nasty as Laura. I would trust Shambo's friendship much than Laura's. Laura appears to be way too shallow and superficial for me.
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Jezzedout
Member
09-07-2006
| Friday, December 25, 2009 - 1:23 pm
Just because Laura is a reported Christian, it doesn't mean her Christianity plays any part in her problem with Shambo. It's just as possible that Laura and Shambo had the proverbial power-grab encounter and that Laura was better equipped at bonding with the "in" crowd. People engage in this ridiculous battle every day in the RW. Placing Laura as a lesbian-hater is equal to placing detractors of the current US president as racists. Plenty of people don't like his Marxist beliefs, which has nothing to do with his being biracial (BTW: So am I). TVClubber -- Excellent comments and well stated. Jezz, I never said the jury doesn't go to Ponderosa. Someone waaaaaaay up thread posted about Russell alienating the jury at Ponderosa; however, by the time Russell went to Ponderoa, the final vote has already taken place. Lexie -- Oh, thanks for clarifying. That makes more sense. Laura may be a "mean female," but "mean girl" was MANY years ago! TNTitan -- LOL!! }
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, December 25, 2009 - 3:09 pm
Excellent discussions re: Laura/Shambo. I agree that if both of them were put in front of me and offered up as a lifelong friend, I'd grab Shambo's hand in a heartbeat and skip merrily along my way to the rest of my life with a good friend. If I were offered Laura's hand of friendship or nothing, I'd say thank you very much, I'd rather be friendless than purposely choose to have someone like Laura in my life. Shambo may have some dorky qualities, but that's what makes her charming and fun to be around. At least I wouldn't have to walk on eggshells around her in fear that any word I utter or any action I take may be pounced upon in a potential beat down so some pathetic self-involved person can elevate their own faltering ego by attempting to appear to be superior to me. Hehe, yea you could say I have issues. I admit I see a lot of myself in Shambo, and believe me, I've had my share of Lauras in my life. I'd much rather surround myself with the Shambos of the world than the Lauras of the world. Hands down!
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Friday, December 25, 2009 - 8:37 pm
Hear, hear, Who. I totally agree. Could I be your friend, too?
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Brenda1966
Member
07-03-2002
| Friday, December 25, 2009 - 8:55 pm
I agree about Laura. She looked bad on the show and she looked bad at the reunion. Unfortunately she doesn't seem to get it at all how she comes across as a 'mean girl'. Shambo may be a goof and may get on your nerves a bit, but you'd never fear her as a friend, never wonder when she was going to knife you in the back.
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Whoami
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08-03-2001
| Friday, December 25, 2009 - 10:37 pm
You bet Catfat! 
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Biscottiii
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05-29-2004
| Saturday, December 26, 2009 - 3:18 am
Laura obviously felt/feels very threatened by a woman she keeps 'trying' to say was weaker than herself. Totally fried by the fact that Shambo Outwitted & Outplayed & Outlasted her. A woman that lasted 3 TC longer than herself (PLUS was the driving force to get Laura ousted). Since Laura's self esteem has been pummeled, all she can do is maintain her 'mean girl' mentality. Sorry honey, you ain't a girl anymore and I'm not sure you will ever mature past high school mentality no matter how many grandkids. I believe in John's exit interview, he also said that Laura had made comments about Shambo which may have been veiled but were clearly ostracizing. Shambo, on the other hand, seems more mature and aware of who she is and what she's accomplished in RL. She was never a dilettante, sure wouldn't have lasted long in the Marine Corps if she had been. She built a shelter for herself where she could sleep and be dry (while all the Cool Kids were freezing) and Momma Laura apparently as their "strongest" leader couldn't keep them dry. Maybe that wasn't socially adept, but it beats freezing one's buns off among people that rarely worked to benefit the living conditions - while they were voting off the workers that had been trying to keep the camp going. Several places I've seen comments that Eric was a HARD worker (part of why he was so ticked about being blindsided by his OWN team so early; Russell Swan collapsed, weakened from trying to cater to the needs of food/fire/water of his tribe as they slept in). If Russell Swan had not collapsed, Shambo was the planned vote for the night, as I've read several places. In the hometown newspaper (Shambo is from Renton, WA) one thing Shambo said was that she wanted to represent the Marine Corp. well, amongst all the other folks, and she hoped she had done that. While I think Shambo would normally take the high road because of who she is - switching to a nasty mean girl persona would not be the diplomatic stance or how she was trained. ITA, Shambo is someone worth making for a friend. Laura, not so much.
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Biscottiii
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05-29-2004
| Saturday, December 26, 2009 - 3:54 am
Wait a minute, maybe someone could provide input. In one exit interview (can't remember which one since I've read them all) Shambo said something about the 'Shambo Shack' and after the merge that Russell was sleeping in the addition which she had built on to the shack for him. Bet Natalie was busy further bonding during nights while Russell was isolating himself. Just my guess.
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