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Adven
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02-06-2001

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 5:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Adven a private message Print Post    
Russell is a mean spirited jerk but he's also a mean spirited jerk who should have won. Not even close. They weren't electing a prom king, they were deciding who out witted and out played and out lasted. I've watched every season and I can't think of anyone who dominated the game so completely. To me, the jury said, we know you controlled this game from day one and kicked our asses in every way conceivable and were tougher, more focused and more creative than we ever thought to be, but we don't like you. Here you go Natalie.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 6:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I was going back and forth all season thinking Russ was a Survivor king to thinking he was a Survivor idiot. He has very little redeeming qualities when it came to interpersonal skills for the long haul = jury. There are some seasons that the jury votes primarily on the physical aspect of the game and sometimes they vote by tribe loyalty and sometimes they vote on who they liked best. Russ didn't gauge the jury correctly. You can't win if you haven't made any connections with the people on the jury. This game is more complex than Russ thought.

Angelicfairies2
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07-19-2004

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 6:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Angelicfairies2 a private message Print Post    
Russ was robbed without a doubt, he played the best game times ten! what a bitter jury. Natalie are you kidding me? SPARE ME

Naja
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06-28-2003

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 6:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Naja a private message Print Post    
Russ isn't in a better mood this morning, that's for sure. On The Early Show just now while sitting next to Natalie while she got her big check, he said "I don't think she deserves it, that's my opinion. I think the world thinks she doesn't deserve it, because you know what? She didn't even get in the top 3 for fan favorite."

Then he went on to say "You know, when you're playing a football game, and you're the quarterback to the football game, I'm throwing all the touchdown passes. Right? She wasn't even on the field. She was my cheerleader."

Natalie came back with "Well guess what? I am going to laugh all the way to the bank".

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 6:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dogdoc a private message Print Post    
Russell may have out played but he didn't out wit or out last.

Panda
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07-15-2005

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 6:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
One thing that gave me a chuckle last night was when Jeff was addressing Monica and threw in that she "slipped through".

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 7:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
Whether Russell likes it or not, the social aspect IS part of the game play. He doesn't get to decide what is and isn't part of the game. Russell played a good game, but NOT game-winning.

Holly
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07-22-2001

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 7:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Holly a private message Print Post    
<Oh I loved the Ponderosa clips. Miss Malaprop, Shambo, was out in full force, telling Jaison he needed to watch out for "acid reflex" when he eats.

LMAO at Miss Malaprop.

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 7:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
This is from Russell's bio on TVCH:

A huge SURVIVOR fan, this self-made man built his business from scratch by working hard, speaking his mind and stepping on anyone who got in his way. Russell won’t apologize for his style of game play either saying, “I’m not going out there to make friends. I’m just not doing it. But everybody is going to think I’m their best friend, because I’m just such a lovable character.”

So he was playing a social game too? Extremely poor social skills. According to Russell he was playing the complete game. He deserved to lose. He's got no one to blame but himself.

Julieboo
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02-05-2002

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 7:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Julieboo a private message Print Post    
Seriously--Natalie wins?? That is a joke.

Dke1212
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07-13-2005

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 8:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dke1212 a private message Print Post    
Yup...sour grapes on jury this year!

Panda
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07-15-2005

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 8:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
I keep having more thoughts about last night's finale - Seeing Betsy, Yas and Ben was more fun than I expected.

The first season I was annoyed Richard Hatch won at first but as time went by I appreciated the win.

I wish they would have shown the clips of when Russell was in the rain saying "Bring it on!!!".

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I think Russell's mistake was his arrogance at the last. Had he simply come out and said he was sorry some people got caught in his plan, he saw it like a poker game, where you bluff and lie to win. He should have made it clear that it wasn't personal in any way.

Instead all he could do was crow about how smart he was. And then they decided to show him how smart he wasn't.

Truth is, Natalie would not have made it to the end without him. Truth is, Russell would have made it without Natalie. So he really was the better player.

But people vote on feelings, not logic. He forgot about that part.

Jezzedout
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09-07-2006

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 8:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jezzedout a private message Print Post    
Have to say it...
I was obviously pretty sympathetic to Russell last night. Thought his feeling let down was understandable, but as I stated in several posts last night, Russell did not play the better game, the game that would have given him the votes needed to win. Now this morning, Russell is running around calling Natalie "undeserving" of the win. Sorry, no longer sympathetic. It's in poor taste and he needs to accept the loss gracefully. He didn't win. Natalie did. Deal with it.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 8:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Anyone know who else voted for Russell? Just curious.

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 8:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellirippa a private message Print Post    
Natalie may not have made it to the end without Russel, so it was a pretty good strategy to ride the Russel train.
Riding the coat-tail is a legitimate strategy. It's a gamble to use that strategy, just as it's a gamble to play too hard and make alliances with every single player... it can work or it can bite you in the butt..
It's can't be said that Natalie didn't deserve to win or that Russel was robbed of a win, they both went with a legitimate strategy.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 8:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I feel a bit sorry for Russell in one way, because the production of this season has done little but stroked his ego for 16(?) weeks, to such an extent that he probably thought the series was framed around him because they saw the votes and knew he won.

Every other way I don't feel sorry for him at all. Having Richard Hatch as your role model is a 10 year old strategy and wouldn't even have worked for Richard if he didn't have the social game Russell so badly lacked.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 8:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Russell's behavior after the fact is exactly the reason he didn't win. He couldn't seem to grasp that people weren't thinking like him. You might call it sour grapes on the jury but honestly I think they just didn't like him, and you aren't likely to give $1 million to a person you don't like. His mean-spiritedness about the whole thing was his undoing. He might have outwitted and outplayed but at the end he made the crucial mistake of getting arrogant. Would Russell have made it to the end without Mick, Jaison, Shambo and Natalie? We will never know (although I couldn't for the life of me figure out why the three other Foa Foas couldn't figure out that they needed to vote him out toward the end!). I think Brett being in the final 5 really threw a monkey wrench in the game.

It is well documented that I didn't care for Russell and quite honestly I am glad he didn't win. I thought he was a mean-spirited, arrogant and self-aggrandizing little man and I wouldn't want to award him with anything. If that makes me bitter and mean-spirited then so be it. He didn't play all aspects of the game...he refused to see that people were able to see that he was being manipulative and mean (although they seemed unable to stop his behavior).

Personally I think if he had lost one of the members of his tribe at some point earlier after the merge he might very well have not made it to the final 3.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 8:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Co-sign Roxip's post. He acted like an #$%^*&^ the whole game, he continued to act like an *&^$%#@! while "pleading" his case to the jury, he got treated like an %$^*$#@ by the jury, and he continues to act like an *&^%$@# this morning in his interviews.

We saw the real Russell, alright. I wouldn't have been surprised if he won, but I'm not sorry he lost. He is a Bitter Betty.

Adven
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02-06-2001

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 9:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Adven a private message Print Post    
I don't think Natalie was a horrible choice. She was tough, likable, smart and willing to step out of her comfort zone. I do think, though, that there are at least 10 contestants every season who fit that bill and how far they go depends largely on luck and who they align themselves with. In other words, they're nothing special.

Russell, however, was a force of nature who simply ecllipsed and dominated the game like no one before him. Like him or hate him, at some point you have to tip your hat and give the devil his due. That was about as masterful a performance as you will ever see on the show.

Brenda1966
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07-03-2002

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 9:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Brenda1966 a private message Print Post    
I'm still not convinced Natalie ever had a strategy. I think she Mr. Magoo'd her way to the end and the finale. Russel carried her the whole way and I'm sure he's more dumbfounded than I am that the jury would see fit to reward her.

This win ranks down there right next to the Vecepia win.

Kellirippa
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07-10-2002

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 9:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kellirippa a private message Print Post    
hmm... suppose it had been a final 2 and not a final 3 and it had come down to Mick and Russel and Natalie was removed from the equation.. would it have been a win for Mick in that case do you suppose?
Was Russel destined to loose with this jury no matter who he brought along with him to the final?

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 9:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I think Natalie made an effort to get to know people, which helped her.

It was very telling when someone (eric?) in the jury questioned her in a way to 'bring out her strategy' which he said many of 'us' did not realize.

I'm sorry, but just choosing to not be a dominant female is not a strategy....

Jezzedout
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09-07-2006

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 9:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jezzedout a private message Print Post    
That's a good question Kelli.

I do think Russ would have beaten Mick if it were a Russ/Mick F2. And it was revealed last night that Russ would have won had he been up against Sham/Jaison, one or both.

Adven
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02-06-2001

Monday, December 21, 2009 - 9:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Adven a private message Print Post    
I think Russell could have only beaten Shambo. The fact the jury said they would have almost unanimously voted for the nondescript Brett had he been in the final 3, indicates they valued likability and tribe loyalty much more than game play.