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Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Thursday, November 05, 2009 - 7:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Transcript:

Jeff Probst: Next time on Survivor...

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Dave <talking to Monica, John and Laura>: Russell, Natalie, Mick, Jaison.

Jeff Probst: The old Galu declares open season on Russell.

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Kelly <in confessional>: Russell is the most conniving player in the game right now and he needs to go.

Jeff Probst: And now he's out of idols...

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Laura: It was the dumbest move, him playing that idol.

Jeff Probst: ...and low on friends...

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Jaison: It's gotta be Russell.

Jeff Probst: ...and in need of luck.

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Russell <in confessional>: And this is the first time that I'm struggling on what to do.

Alaginger
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Friday, November 06, 2009 - 5:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Jeff's Blog on Episode 8:
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So I’ve recovered from my Zyrtec cloud and yes I now realize that we promoted the merge. It was funny to be reminded of it by you guys. What can I say, I really was “loopy” when I wrote that blog. But yes I do see episodes and I do know what we promote, sometimes I just forget…

In honor of my slip up last week, I’m going to dedicate today’s blog to… what else… The Merge.
MERGE FEAST
Let’s start with the feast. Did you see how quickly their moods changed when they got some food in their belly? Think about it… I bet a majority of you had some sort of snack even while you were watching Survivor. Probably snacking on something right now while reading this blog. We like to eat. It feels good. When we don’t eat we get crabby. Laura didn’t give a hoot about her canteen once the feast started. Why would she? She was happy again. I love seeing them happy… momentarily. I more love seeing them in conflict. But you need a balance. Too much conflict, too many days without food, too many nights drenched from the rain and you just have angry people. Producing a good season of Survivor requires an ebb and flow of highs and lows. The merge is almost always a high, even if only for a moment.

FIRST IMPRESSIONS
Another fun thing about the merge is it’s like starting over once again. You have new people in your world and you get a second chance to make a first impression in the game.

Some people choose to stay in game mode, working their strategy. Not John. The ever cocky, always aware John was waiting for someone, anyone to ask him anything about himself. It resulted in one of my favorite exchanges of the season:

Jaison: So engineering school, huh?
John: Uh yeah, Mechanical Engineering degree.
Jaison: Congratulations.
John: Not a law degree. I contemplated becoming a patent lawyer.

It was the swagger in his walk and the tone of his voice when he said, “Uh yeah..” that really made it work for me. Nice.

PERSONAL INSIGHT: If I had a Mechanical Engineering degree I’d look for ways to bring it up, too. But since I don’t it’s fun to be a catty little stick-eating and make fun of John.

WE’RE ALL ONE HAPPY FAMILY
It never fails. We merge and suddenly everybody pretends to like everybody else. I had the exact same reaction Erik did when I heard Brett’s suggestion for a new tribe name:

Brett: “AIGA, it means extended family.”

Extended family? Gimme a break. (Truth be told, Brett probably really means it and Brett is the kind of guy that outside of the game you’d be friends with, your families would dig each other, and you’d end up having a lifelong friendship. But this is in the game and that’s a different story.)

Plus, think about it, Brett had to research that name before he even left America, which is downright irritating. Not sure why it’s irritating, but it is. Maybe it’s because Brett is so likable.

Like I did last week, I’ll use one of my honorary nieces as an example of what I mean. Mackenzie, my niece, is really likable too. She’s so likable that I’m sure lots of boys would love to ask her to a school dance or an afterschool party because she’s so… nice… (just like Brett)… and also because she’s cute (okay, fine, just like Brett).

But what makes Macky really fun to be around is an extra layer of… sass. Yes, she’s nice but she’s lippy too and she’s not afraid to call someone out for something and that adds a whole new level of respect to a person.

So come on, Brett, gawk at Kelly like Ben would have or give Dave Ball a hard time for still wearing that out-of -tyle ponytail, or tell Laura to back off Shambo just a bit. Gimme something I can respect.

Please don’t write and tell me to lay off, Brett. Brett is doing just fine. Brett can handle these comments. He’s a big boy.

But Erik was right, this is not one big extended family. It’s not even two separate families. It’s 12 in-dah-vidge-you-uhls… all trying their best to figure out how to get rid of everybody else so they can grab the check from CBS for a million dollars. Before taxes. It’s a million dollars before taxes people.

THE SCRAMBLE
A merge also offers up a chance for new alliances to form and just like on day one, those new alliances need to form quickly. Enter Russell. He doesn’t care about the food, or the tribe name or what anybody does for a living. He wants to win the game. Period.

Sending his troops (Jaison, Mick, Natalie) out to make relationships with different people is further proof that this little pirate is a pretty darn good Survivor player.

And I know some of you think there is too much Russell in the game, but he’s the guy making the most moves so that is naturally who I am going to write about. With that in mind…

I love that Russell is telling everybody everything. It’s such a risky move. You gotta respect it. To go to everybody on the other tribe that you have the idol and offer them the same exact deal could so easily backfire if just one person opens their mouth. But Russell is counting on greed to be his ally. He knows that the people he is approaching are better served if they don’t tell anybody else. If he’s right it’s a major move. If he’s wrong he’ll soon be in trouble.

THE POSSIBILITY OF THE GAME TURNING
The most exciting element of the merge is that it offers a chance to completely turn the game around. Typically that requires somebody flipping sides, and usually the “flipper” is somebody who feels on the outs and is looking to improve their spot on the totem pole.

So many times in this game the people on top forget about the people on the bottom. They forget how dangerous the outcasts are because they have nothing to lose by switching sides and everything to gain.

Shambo is clearly one of those on the bottom and she knows it. Shambo is a major threat to change the game. Nobody on Galu is paying any attention to that fact. Crazy, right? Hindsight is always 20-20. It’s why I host and don’t play.

The merge is such a simple twist. Combine the two tribes into one. We do it almost every season, and yet it amazes me how many times it creates havoc. As Dave Ball states, from the outside looking in, Galu should just vote off Foa Foa four times in a row so they can all make it to the final eight.

But it’s not a team game. It never has been. It’s a game of individuals and that complicates everything because every single person has a different agenda. Even if they agree on whom to vote out it is always for different reasons. Always. Because at the end of the game only one person wins so every single time they vote they are voting to help ensure they are the last person standing… and that often means…

SOMEBODY COCKY GETS BLINDSIDED

Erik was such a fun guy to have in the game, he has a huge heart and that was fun to watch. It may also have been his downfall. He bled Galu purple to such a degree that I think he forgot that it is… an individual game. You have to make moves in this game based on the idea that everybody else is making their best move. Erik was a major threat in the game with a major attitude. He lost sight of how others saw him and never considered that the best move might be to get rid of him. Because not everybody on Galu bleeds Galu. He was so confident that he forgot to consider the other people in the game were also playing to win and they might not care about keeping Galu together.

And boy did it cost him.

Talk about a blindside. Wow. One of the biggest and most memorable in a long, long time. Erik could not have been cockier. He was absolutely certain the outcome was set. He never-saw-it-coming. Neither did Laura, nor most anybody else on the former Galu.

Russell’s HUGE move to play the idol is yet one more pencil in his jar of “this is how ya do it.”

RUSSELL: “Figure it I have it I might as well play it.”

NOTE: To all future Survivor players… You Don’t Hold Onto The Idol If You Have The Slightest Concern You Are In Trouble.

If you have it and you think you need it – play the damn thing.

Russell is playing to win. He doesn’t care about second place. He may not make it, but with each passing week you have to respect the game he is playing.

NEXT TIME ON… SURVIVOR
So where does the game stand now?

It’s an interesting thing that often happens in this game. You lose enough people from your tribe, your numbers get so low that you have absolutely no other choice but to rely on each other and stick together. Foa Foa is at that point. In order to have any shot at actually winning the game, they cannot risk betraying anybody on their tribe. This gives them four votes in the new tribe. That is significant because as we saw last night – within Galu there are lots of possible sub alliances and cracks to be exploited.

Give me your predictions. Will Galu regroup and get rid of Foa Foa? If so, what order do you predict Foa Foa will be voted out?

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, November 06, 2009 - 6:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
WooHoo ... Sure am glad I was up early and onto the Blog quickly. In the cut and paste above, Jeff said:
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"Talk about a blindside. Wow. One of the biggest and most memorable in a long, long time. Erik could not have been cockier. He was absolutely certain the outcome was set. He never-saw-it-coming. Neither did Laura, nor most anybody else on the former Galu."

Now when you go to EW.com for Jeff's blog, this part has been deleted!!!
Neither did Laura, nor most anybody else on the former Galu.

Well, since all the Galu except Shambo voted to boot Erik, that statement didn't make any sense. It seems that Jeff was thinking ahead of himself.

So, does that mean that Laura goes next and she didn't see it coming, nor did most of her previous tribemates? Or does it mean that her sidekick Monica goes, which John has wanted for a long time, and Laura didn't see it coming? Stay tuned on this one, folks! Bet Jeff is gritting his teeth over this boo boo!

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, November 06, 2009 - 12:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Cut and pasted from an interview with Erik:
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At this point in the game, who do you think is playing the best game?
Jesus... gosh, that's so tough. John? Maybe? I gotta go with John. I think everyone is kinda playing a little bit different game. See, Laura was playing a good game but she was wrong. She made a mistake and got a little greedy and got a little pompous. I can't really say Russell, because he's aggressive but he looks like a total idiot when he comes to our tribe. He came over to us and he shows 8 different people the idol and makes promises to everybody and I thought his game play sucked.

At this point in the game I didn't really respect anybody's game play. Shambo, God bless her heart, she was very loyal but she wasn't a gamer. She wasn't a strategist, she was loyal and that's what she brought to the table. Monica was thinking she signed up for the wrong show. She thought she was going to be on "Survivor: Cabo San Lucas Princess Edition." I guess maybe Brett because he works really hard, he's very intelligent. I'm gonna go with Brett and America doesn't know that because he doesn't get so much facetime.

Oh, wait no! Natalie. She's protecting herself as a lone wolf, only woman on Foa Foa. She's really tight with a guy who's mowing people down and at this point in the game she concocted the idea to get me out and I think she's responsible for making the biggest move in the game. I stand corrected, it's Natalie 100%.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, November 06, 2009 - 1:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Cut and pasted this from another Erik interview because it really rubs me the wrong way:
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"I will say this too – as kooky and crazy and sometimes annoying as Shambo can be, there is something good about her heart and loyalty and camaraderie. I would have gone with her. Once Russell went down, the next deserving person I saw to give the idol was Shambo. How great would it have been to go vote at top five and for Shambo to pull out the idol and make the final four? That would have been great TV. That girl has a great heart and she’s loyal as hell."
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Why does it rub me the wrong way? Didn't Erik get the clues handed over to him by a trusting Shambo earlier when a commitment was made that if he found it they would share it......or maybe he even said he would give it to her? It's a little late in the game from an interview to say she was deserving when you walk out of the joint with the darn thing in your pocket.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, November 06, 2009 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
CBS Misdirection Clues:
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A PLAN IS SET IN MOTION THAT LEADS TO ONE OF THE MOST MEMORABLE TRIBAL COUNCILS IN SURVIVOR HISTORY, ON "SURVIVOR: SAMOA" THURSDAY, NOV. 12

"Tastes Like Chicken" - Motivated by extreme hunger, an unexpected castaway kills a rat in an effort to provide for her tribe, on SURVIVOR: SAMOA, Thursday, Nov. 12 (8:00-9:00 PM ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

Kookliebird
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Friday, November 06, 2009 - 2:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Didn't they eat rat in Survivor 1?

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Friday, November 06, 2009 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Goddessatlaw a private message Print Post    
Ick. Ick.

Lookieloo
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Friday, November 06, 2009 - 4:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lookieloo a private message Print Post    
*waits very patiently for the comments from the people on why they're voting out someone*

or in other words........Pamy's favorite thing. LOL

Alaginger
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Friday, November 06, 2009 - 5:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Haven't seen that yet, Lookie....I'll go and look right-a-way. Meanwhile, I did cut and paste this by Natalie from the Survivor Insider. Gives us some a slant on what she really thinks about Mama Laura at Galu:
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"My mom's always told me if someone's your friend but they're sitting there saying negative things and being mean to other people, they can do that to you, too. Yeah, I definitely have that in the back of my head. I don't think I can trust Laura. I think she's definitely here to blame the game, and just based off the way I've seen her treat Shambo, even though I really like her, I know she could treat me the same way. So yeah, my guard's up, definitely, with her."

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Friday, November 06, 2009 - 5:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Okay, Lookie ... it appears that there is a glitch at CBS and James Barber, the person who transcribes all the Insider Clips at Sucks and Survivor Blows copies them and I pick 'em up (LOL), doesn't have it transcribed. I went straight over to Sucks (which I usually stay away from) and checked and he has not transcribed that, but another posted said this:

"It's obvious that CBS and SEG are hiding something from one of the voting confessionals (probably Russ<24>'s). So all we get is a camera shot of Russ<24>'s vote and nothing else, plus an "error" with the link to the voting session. The same "error" happened earlier this season too."

Ginger: So ..... either there is a problem that will be fixed later and then I'll snag it ..... or it is not meant for us to get. I'll keep checking it out.

Alaginger
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Friday, November 06, 2009 - 5:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Hmmmmm.... I just went to CBS and viewed it without any problem. Maybe it just got fixed and hasn't been transcribed yet. Here's what I was able to hear, or pick up, or write as fast as I could (LOL) .... I don't take shorthand.

Dave (Erik) - You're arrogant, unpredictable, and I don't know if I can trust you or not.
Monica (Erik) - You're cocky, ......... and then a very lengthy bashing.
John (Erik) - John was sorry about the vote, but it all went down in just the last 10 minutes he said and he tried to stop it but he couldn't, but he thought Erik did all that he had said he would do.
Laura (Erik) - Your paranoia became your demise and when you turned against the girls you had to go.
Jaison (Erik) - Just blew air through his lips
Natalie (Erik) - I'm voting for you and I hope the others do what they said they would.
Mick (Erik) - You're a h*ll of a competitor, but almost your whole tribe asked us to do this.
Russell (Erik) - Don't think I don't know what ya'll are doing. This is the best blindside to ever happen.
Erik (Jaison) - J-gone
Shambo (Jaison) - whispers Jaison
Brett (Erik) - Couldn't catch it all ... something about a competitor and something about the tribe.
Kelly (Erik) - Didn't catch it all ... but it was about trust and she said "sorry"

Once I see this fully transcribed, I'll bring it over properly.

Kookliebird
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Friday, November 06, 2009 - 8:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
I like both Mick and Russell's comments.

Pamy
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Friday, November 06, 2009 - 10:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
LOL Lookieloo!
WOW Ginger! You are awesome to do a special edition one just for us!!! xxoxo

Alaginger
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Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 5:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
James Barber never did transcribe the TC voting, but somebody over at Survivor Blows gave it a go, and did a more thorough job that I was able to do. Here it is:
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Dave: Erik, I am voting for you because you are aggressive and unpredictable and I don't know whether I can trust you or not.

Laura: Sorry E, but your own paranoia was your own demise. The minute you went against Galu and turned against the girls, you had to go.

John: As far as I'm concerned, this vote doesn't count. This all happened in the last 10 minutes before Tribal Council and I didn't have the horsepower to stop it. Everyone else is voting for you so I have to, too. But you did your job, just as you said you would.

Brett: Erik, you're an insane competitor and unfortunately it sounds like the entire tribe has decided to vote you out. It's nothing personal -- I saw you and I going to the Final 2 and I wish you the best.

Shambo: whispered Jaison

Jaison: Says nothing. (Just blew air out)

Mick: You are a hell-u-va competitor and more of a decent guy than I originally gave you credit for. Your entire tribe asked us to do this and at this point, we have to go with the flow to stay in the game.

Natalie: I'm voting for you and I really hope that everyone does what they say they're going to do.

RussHell: Don't think I don't know what you're all doing. This is the best blindside that ever happened.

Monica: You're cocky, arrogant, machismo and bossy. I couldn't have planned a better and more timely exit for you myself. I can't believe I even considered trusting you. The fact that you think I'm the female version of you is insulting and disgusting. I have no respect for you - goodbye!

Kelly: I wanted to trust you, but you had us all fooled. Sorry!

Lookieloo
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Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 6:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lookieloo a private message Print Post    
YAY!!! thanks for all your efforts! I liked all the versions :-)

Alaginger ROCKS!!

Biscottiii
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Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 7:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Nice work Ginger, thanks for ALL the spoiling!

Alaginger
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Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 6:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
You're Welcome, Guys! Not too much to go on, but here is something new:
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One of the challenges is highlighted in pics this morning. Is it the RC, or the IC, or a combined, nobody has figured out yet. Pics courtesy of TDT.

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This image shows us that they are each tossing out lines and dragging bags back, similar to what Coach did last season in the one IC that he won. On the right of the pic, see the pink bag that Natalie is dragging back?
Last season, the first three to get all 3 bags back went to perform a maze with ball in it, and they already did something like that when Russell S. went down, so this time the 2nd stage has to be something different.

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This pic of Russell H. appears to be at a different place....not so close to the other players, and near a flag that in the other picture seems to be at a different place. If so, it is speculated that Russell H. is in the supposedly top three to continue with the challenge.

From the previews, we know that Russell is the CBS Misdirection "TARGET" this week, but we also know from overall season spoilers that he doesn't go home this week .......... so speculators are guessing that he wins immunity this week. If so, this might be the IC we are seeing here.

Alaginger
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Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 5:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Another picture, thanks to TDT.

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You can see from Natalie's pose that it is indeed a grappling hook that they are tossing.

Laura already has one bag, and is working on dragging her 2nd one in.

TDT says that the voice-over is Jeff Probst calling out - Laura ... Russell ... it's a race.

With this shot at a different angle, we can now see that they have wider lanes than we saw in the side-view shot posted previously.

TDT says it is not mentioned if this is RC, IC or a combo, and the II necklace is not in view anywhere.

TDT also says that there is a very strong chance that Russell will win immunity this week.

Panda
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Monday, November 09, 2009 - 8:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Panda a private message Print Post    
I think Russ wins the IC, too.

John trying for a jury vote..lol

Alaginger
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Monday, November 09, 2009 - 2:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
The New Full Promo is out. Picture caps, thanks to Survivor Fever:

Transcript:

Announcer: Russell played the immunity idol...

Russell: I didn't even think twice.

Announcer: ...but no one voted to send him home.

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Russell <in confessional> : I made a huge mistake.

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Announcer: Now the sneakiest player in Survivor history...

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Laura <in confessional> : Tonight Russell's going home.

Announcer: ...has a new target on his back.

Laura: We're voting for Russell.

Dave: Russell.

Jaison: Russell.

Monica: Russell.

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Kelly: You mean Russell?

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John: That's not rocket science.

Announcer: Can the master manipulator dodge the bullet?

Jeff Probst <at challenge> : Laura! Russell! It's a race!

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Russell <in confessional> : This is the first time I'm struggling. I don't want to be voted out.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Monday, November 09, 2009 - 2:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Ginger notes on the above post and picture caps:

See the picture with Kelly? It appears to have a waterfall in the background. The new merged tribe is not at a new camp, they are at the old Galu, and there was no waterfall there that we remember seeing. TDT thinks this pic is of a reward, and Kelly either won or went with whoever won. That would make me think Laura beat Russell.

Now then, Russell played his idol last week, and I'm trying to remember if in the past, played idols got replanted. If somebody goes home with one in their pocket, it's a dead idol...but if it is played, I think it might very well get replanted. See the picture above of Russell where it says "Sneakiest"? I think he might be looking for the idol.

Maybe he looks and finds it. Or, maybe at TC, he infers that he looked and found it, when he didn't, and throws the voters off. They might think that if they vote for Russell and he does have it, it might richocet onto a Galu member by only 1 or 2 or 3 or all 4 Foa Foa votes.

So, if you were on Galu and were planning to vote for Russell, but fell for a sneaky stunt, who would you change your vote to? Jaison?? or maybe a threat on the Galu tribe? or maybe the Galu votes would be scattered all over the place and the Foa Foa targeted Galu member would be axed.......and we all know Russell is gunning for Laura, but if she has immunity the next best way to get to Laura would be to dump Monica.

Just rambling..........but it seems plausible to me. Plus CBS is saying this is a very memorable TC coming up, and a major spoiler said this week was the turning point in the game.

Pamy
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Monday, November 09, 2009 - 7:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I would love it if you are right and he found the idol again!! love it!!!

if not then I bet he gets IN.

Oldtex
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Monday, November 09, 2009 - 8:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oldtex a private message Print Post    
I thought that if the idol is played, it is then thrown into the fire at TC. It's been so long since I've seen an idol played, really can't remember!

Merrysea
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Monday, November 09, 2009 - 11:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
I believe only the fake idols are thrown into the fire.