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Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 9:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
But didn't Earl say the alliance would only last until about F4? Both Earl and Yau knew they would have to canabalize at the end. Pretty much if you want to win you have to do it. They both understood that. Any friendship they had would survive.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 9:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
yes and he voted Yau off at final FIVE! not 4

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 9:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I understand why Earl voted Yau off and I am glad he won, still just wish he would have voted off Cass.

Man that jury was brutal. I didnt realize Cass still couldnt swim, do these people not know there is usually water around where you live on Survivor?? it always kills me that they dont prepare. If I filled out an ap for Survivor I would take lessons

Willsfan
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09-04-2000

Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 9:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Willsfan a private message Print Post    
Dre never had to accept the deal in the first place. He could have said, "Thanks but no thanks".

So does this mean the vehicle curse struck again? I guess people can't even give the vehicle away to escape the curse.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 10:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
or accept it LOL

Juju2bigdog
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10-27-2000

Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 10:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Juju2bigdog a private message Print Post    
Just finished watching jury questioning. SURELY, surely, the producers whipped up the jury to "make good television" and ask the hardest questions they could possibly come up with. Because darn near every one of them made a giant horse's ass of themselves. There is absolutely NO reason for any of them to be as bitter as they came across. Alex was particularly ridiculous. So was Lisi. Well, pretty much all of them except Yau-Man, maybe Michelle, maybe Stacy, maybe Boo.

What a disappointment to see that poor sportsmanship. That is not what I watch Survivor for. Sorry, Mark Burnett, but if this was "making television" you lost me on this one. Yuck.

If the jury was not manipulated by the producers, then shame on them. I am embarrassed FOR them and think they had no business being on Survivor in the first place. Survivor is all about being outplayed. Survivor is not about being a dog in the manger and whining afterward or lashing out at someone who happened to play the game better than you did.

CBS, listen up, I HATED the final jury questioning, hated it and don't want to see it again. If that sort of display of poor sportsmanship was the producer's idea, then shame on CBS.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 10:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I think Alex just embarassed himself, not only by the bitter words he was saying, but his manner. If he acts like that in court I'm surprised he's not disbarred by now.

I wanted Yau to win, but Earl is good too. To me, Cassandra did not participate in the game enough to win - I don't believe you have to be physical to deserve to win, but I don't remember her standing out, even strategically at any time. If Dre had been more honest about the car maybe he would have got a vote or two, but really, once Yau was gone a huge win for Earl was inevitable.

Totally agree about not wanting to see a jury questioning like that again, Juju. It's not entertaining and makes no sense.

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 10:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
What huge revelation did Lise think she had uncovered when she got Dre to say there were 6 zero's in a million. I just don't get it.

And she thought Cass was driven by greed? So, nobody else was? Or was Cass the only one there playing for a million? Again, I just don't get it.

Lise clearly thought she had one upped all three of the finalists with her questions. But she made absolutely no sense to me at all.

Alex clearly never wanted any kind of answer from Cass. He just wanted to open her up and beat her down by telling her not to talk, so he could show just how superior he thought he was.

Mookie ticked me off the way he showed his glee when Dre kept the Immunity necklace, and when Yau was ultimately voted off. I don't get his disdain for Yau. Unless he just has an overall disdain for his elders, and especially hates it when they prove they are his betters.

Landi
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07-29-2002

Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 11:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landi a private message Print Post    
pamy, the final 4 was earl, cassandra, dreamz, AND yau-man. earl didn't vote out yau-man until final 4

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 12:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sunshyne4u a private message Print Post    
i think Dre could have dregged up a few votes if he was more articulate.

I am surprised that no one made a comment about Yau taking advantage of Dre. I mean, from what we saw on the show Dre was not a rocket scientist and really didnt seem like someone who could think really fast. I thought it was sneaky of Yau to put Dre on the spot. I really dont think dre did the math until a short while later.

His cagey answers as per 'the deal' guaranteed Dre zero votes IMHO.

Cassandra shouldnt have been in the finals. I really wonder about this Final THREE change. Last year we had a nondeserving person as well.

I dont see how it adds to the suspence. Also, what ever happened to Second prize? it isnt even mentioned

Spear
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08-06-2001

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 2:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
What huge revelation did Lise think she had uncovered when she got Dre to say there were 6 zero's in a million. I just don't get it.

That was the funniest moment of the TC. I think Lisi had to ask the question again and then check with the jury because she didn't realize that Dreamz was correct.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 5:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
Landi, thx, I cant count! LOL I dont know what I was thinking!

Lisi was horrible and the way she looked after Dre answered gave me the impression she thought he was wrong LOL She tried to make him look bad and she made herself look like a total bitter idiot.

Alex was in lawyer mode like JP said and that is why lawyers get such a bad name. He was cruel to Cass.

Prisonerno6
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08-31-2002

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 5:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Prisonerno6 a private message Print Post    
I want to have sympathy for Dreamz, but every time I get a little, he opens his mouth. If he had just said once, at any point, "I wanted the car so I made the deal, but when it got closer to following through I realized it meant I'd be out of the game, so I had to go back on my word," well, then I could have some sympathy for him -- maybe even a little respect. But instead he chose to stick to his "it was all game" line, which we could clearly see was not true from his "confessional" videos. And then he added insult to injury by voting for Yau instead of Cass to force a tie and give Yau a chance at saving himself. No sympathy, no respect.

And I'm not convinced it would mean he was out. He could have made a deal wwhere he and Yau voted for Cassandra, Earl and Cass would vote for Dreamz, and he at least had a tie.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 5:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Whoami: I suspect Mookie's glee at Dreamz keeping the necklace wasn't about his feelings for Yau as much as it was about him being happy that Dreamz betrayed Yau just like Dreamz had betrayed Mookie earlier in the game. Almost a "told you so" type of reaction?

Adven
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02-06-2001

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 6:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Adven a private message Print Post    
I have a different take. Yau knew a person in Dre's position would not turn down the vehicle. It was a good move on Yau's part to put pressure on Dre and hope peer and potential viewer pressure would force him to keep his word. Yau knew there was a chance Dre wouldn't live up his word. It's the chance you take.

I also buy that Dre sees how you behave in the game is different from how you might behave in real life. Everyone lies, manipulates and back stabs to win the million. It's understood by all the contestants going in. I'm not sure why Dre doing it to get a vehicle is any worse than every one else doing it to win the million. Earl's vote against Yau, for instance, did as much to cost him (Yau) the million as Dre's decision did. As viewers, we seem to keep expecting honor in a game that tacitly rewards dishonor and glorifies greed.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 6:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
Did Dreamz really expect everyone to give him a million dollars after he didn't keep his word to Yauman? I wouldn't give him 2 cents after that. I thought he showed his son very poor sportsmanship and he should be ashamed. I hope he's forever known as the guy that went back on his word.

Darclyte
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07-11-2005

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 6:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Darclyte a private message Print Post    
Does Cassandra and Dreamz split the $100,000 second place prize?

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 6:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I don't know about Survivor but in most contests, if there is a tie for second place, they add the second and third place prize together and then split it.

Most of the jury made themselves look bad. The only exception that I recall was Yau-man and Michelle. I had some empathy for Dre but he looked bad going back on his bargain and his excuse for doing so made him look even worse. It was all rather pathetic.

At least I was happy with Earl winning.

Merrysea
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08-13-2004

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 7:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Merrysea a private message Print Post    
As Dreamz said everyone lies, manipulates and backstabs in this game; however, at least since I've been watching (Vanuatu), the winner has always been the one who played the most honorable game of the final two (or three). The jury saw Twila as being more of a backstabber than Chris because she was in their original alliance and lied on her son's name; Tom didn't turn on Gregg until he learned that Gregg was going to turn on him; Danni played a cleaner game than Stefanie; Aras was more honest than Danielle; and Yul was a pretty upfront guy. I don't know much about the seasons before, but I do know that Boston Rob and Johnny Fairplay, who are always cited as examples of people who lied and manipulated, didn't win a million dollars.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
I think if Dreamz had said that Yau sprung the deal on him and he impulsively accepted the truck without thinking and later realised that it was a very bad deal, he might have gotten some votes, if he hadn't carried on about being a man of his word, etc.

Dfng
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08-04-2005

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 7:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfng a private message Print Post    
Puzzled, that's what I thought. Dreamz tried to have his cake and eat it too. He could have fessed up that he was confused and short sighted when he made the deal. Everyone would have excepted that. He actually could have used his inability to think two steps ahead as an advantage. Meaning he could have argued that he constantly had to think and rethink his position and that's why he was all over the place with his voting. Not sure it would have worked but anything is better than the route he took.

Seeker
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09-02-2005

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 7:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seeker a private message Print Post    
Dre truly believes that he was just playing the game. He had himself convinced of that by the time they got back to camp from tribal council. Many people create a new story of events when they can't face what they did and that story becomes reality to them.

It's interesting to wonder how people can justify pushing their integrity aside for personal advancement. I was so dissappointed in Earl and his vote. The least he could have done was inform Yau of his decision and reason before tribal council. If he is the man he seems to be he will have many sad moments at selling his honor for a million dollars.

From the betrayal by two and the majority of the tribel council questions I found for me the show ended on a very sad note. It sure does not reflect well on humanity.

Lori
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04-18-2003

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori a private message Print Post    
If Dreamz had been upfront and said he was confused when he accepted the truck, not fully realizing the consequences of that decision and later told Yau he could not accept the truck and the deal they made was null and void, I could have respected him. Clearly he wanted it all, the truck, immunity and the million dollars.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 8:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I'm still not sure why Yau handled it the way he did. Why not promise to give Dre the truck, rather than giving it to him? That way Yau would still have the truck if Dre did not fulfill his end of the bargain.

I don't think that Earl betrayed Yau. I didn't think his agreement with Yau extended beyond the final four.

As far as Dre goes, I much prefer the conflicted Dre who in a moment of weakness gave into greed and kept the II than the evil scheming manipulative Dre (on the show) that he is now presenting.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 8:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
Yau has continuously and consistently said that he truly believed Dreamz would live up to his promise, right about until a few seconds before Dreamz did not.

Dreamz' story continues to evolve. Since he said in confessionals that he intended to keep his promise, his other story that he was just playing the game is a clear contradiction. He really didn't seem to know what kind of person he wanted to be in this game. As Yau insightfully said at Tribal Council, he's smart but his thinking is "undisciplined".

Yau also said that at first he was disappointed in Earl's vote at that point, but later realized Earl had to do that to have a chance at winning. He seems to have a big heart of forgiveness and great insight into people.

Other than Richard Hatch, who played everyone, but was fairly forthright about playing everyone, it has always been the most honorable players that have won. I think if you are going to go on Survivor, it's best to learn from that, rather than going in saying "hey, it's a game of lying and deceit". Clearly the other players having a vote in who wins, and consistently favoring the better 'person', should be taken into account, if you really want to win the million. When faced with a vote, the jury almost always votes against people who backstabbed them.