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The TVClubHouse: Survivor ARCHIVES: Survivor XIV - Fiji: Show Night! (Transcription & Discussion): 05/13/07 SHOW SPOILER: Archive through May 14, 2007 users admin

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Karen
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09-07-2004

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 10:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karen a private message Print Post    
Earl was on Regis and Kelly this morning. He said he was approached by Survivor casting, in a restaurant, three days before he left. They originally wanted him for Amazing Race but when someone dropped out (not the last minute one that dropped it from 20 to 19), they asked him if he'd like to do Survivor.

eta: oops, happymom, you beat me to it!

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 10:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
As I understand it, the person that dropped out, quit on location, the night before they were to be dropped on their islands. So of course that person could not have been replaced because there was no time.

If there was another drop out a few days before, this is the first I've heard of it.

But it can't be the same one who quit the night before, since Earl was recruited a few days before the start.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
(Oops -- forget it. I'm too late.)

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 1:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Actually what Dreamz said was "I promise to God I will give it to you". Then Dreamz made a big deal out of showing his children what honor meant and how he is a man of his word.

Maybe it is "just a game", but it doesn't make Dreamz any less a hypocrite in my book.

There were times during the show where Dreamz's charm stole my heart. But I've lost all respect for him now, and his continued refusal to own up to his actions will keep me from finding any for him in the near future.

But since Dreamz doesn't live for my respect, I don't think my lack of respect will bother him much. He KNOWS he sold his integrity.... and after an initial sadness over its loss, I don't think Dreamz really minds not having any integrity.

Good luck Dreamz....I think you may need it because God doesn't love ugly....and what you did...was ugly.

Moondance
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07-30-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 2:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Moondance a private message Print Post    
Oh Oh Oh what Kep said... thanks Kep you have kept me from 'beyond' moderation. I have no words that I can say here on this board that would explain how I felt about the whole D thing (I won't even say his name)

I am happy about Earl wining and very amazed at what a man Yau Man is!!

Katbee
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09-15-2001

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 2:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Katbee a private message Print Post    
I was talking with a co-worker this morning and she reminded me of the "car curse." Who ever wins the car (or truck) never wins the game. So Yau was doomed when he won the truck and then Dreamz (who really never had more than a snowball's chance anyway) was doomed when he accepted the truck from Yau.

Moondance
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07-30-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 2:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Moondance a private message Print Post    
sorry about the vent, it really effected me and I know at some deep level there is something there that made me so vested. It really does bother me what went down.

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 2:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
I agree with all of you who are disgusted with Dreamz' behavior. He went back on his sworn promise. How disappointing this must have been for his family.
A lot of times, you hear black contestants saying they are here to 'represent', and are almost always smart, honorable people. Dreamz is not honorable, and I hope that America can see that he doesn't represent most young black people. It is truly an ugly thing for him to have done.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
LOL You're welcome Moonie...no prob.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
No one on a reality show "represents" anyone but themselves.

In fact, reality shows aside, no one represents anyone unless they have been elected or requested to do it.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 3:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
What Kep said!

And one thing I noticed... as soon as tribal was over, Dreamz immediately started rewriting history. He planned everything, step by step. He knew he would never honor his commitment to Yao. It was all part of playing the game.

Um, nope. Not when you swear to God. Not when you clearly state you want your kids to see how their dad lives up to his word.

Dreamz's word? Not worth a penny!

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 3:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
I think Dre lost any chances of winning any of the jury votes way before backing out of the car promise he made to god and Yau...(one in the same, almost).

Once he told about Mookie having the idol and helping in ousting the horsemen he lost all their votes. Ultimately I think he did the right thing considering he was lowman on their totem pole. My goodness they didn’t even tell Dre when the idol was first found and it was Mookie who blurted it out the him. So that alone, in my book gave Dre the right (in game terms) to sell out Mookies idol. But it also in my book gave the right for Mookie and his horsemen to never vote for Dre.

Dre didn't play a good game for the ultimate outcome but he did pave the way for whoever was in the finals with him to win hands down.

I don't think Dre had malice in his game play he just didn't have an ultimate plan as Earl and Yau did, I don't think Cas had an ultimate plan except not to exert herself too much in the challenges and not to say anything derogatory about anyone and to be a yes person when people came to enlist her in THEIR plan.

Yau’s ultimate plan didn’t work because he unwisely trusted someone who proved himself to be untrustworthy the entire time at Fiji. It wasn’t Dre that did Yau in it was Yau himself by not being aware enough about Dre and his shadiness. I really don’t see why people are up in arms over Dre going back on his promise…did anyone really really really think he would essentially put his game fate into someone else’s hands by giving up the immunity necklace the round that would guarantee him a place at the finals. That would be as naïve as trusting a known game liar.

Usually I’m in the majority when it comes to Survivor faves here but I’m finding myself so out of the mainstream thoughts about Dre….sigh. ;)

I just don’t find him going back on his word so awful….that’s all they do on Survivor….go back on deals, flip alliances, sell people out, lie straight to each others faces, blindside people at council after telling them to their faces they are safe.

I’m not saying those are the people I necessarily want to see win but just that what Dre did is common place in this game and I don’t understand the outrage or surprise…I saw that coming from the start and so should Yau…he shouldn’t have made that kind of deal to begin with although it was very entertaining. LOL OK I’m done Via Le Yau!

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 3:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I think that Dre had every intention of keeping his bargain with Yau when he made the bargain. In fact, I think he agonized over this all the way up to the Tribal Council and then greed overcame his sense of right. What is truly sad about this whole thing is that rather than admit a moment of weakness, Dre felt that he should come up with some sort of cover story that he intended to betray Yau in the first place. Just sad.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 3:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
Worse than that, he is keeping the truck!

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 3:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
The idea that Yau should have known better is a bit like blaming the victim in my mind.

Yau is the dumb guy and lesser player because he had the stupidity to actually BELIEVE Dreamz was a standup guy and would keep his word?

I don't buy that... if someone believes in me, I'm going to bend over backwards to be worthy of that belief. Dreamz was fully aware of what he was doing... that's why he was crying at TC... HE KNEW HE WAS WRONG... and he did it anyway... and instead of owning it, he played the "its just a game" card.

Was it just a game when Dreamz was earnestly tellign the cameras that he would NEVER go back on his word and his children would see what a standup guy he was. Was Dreamz lying to his children in that confessional?


Yau may not have made a good move by offering the deal in the first place, but to call Yau the idiot because Dreamz broke his word is just not fair.


Yau stood up and admitted he should not have made the deal. Yau acknowledges and takes responsibility for his own actions. I do not think its fair to make Yau now responsible for Dreamz's actions. Hiding behind the "its a game" screen only serves to avoid responsibility for awful behavior.

Dreamz could learn a lot from Yau about maturity, masculinity and honor.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 3:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
I hope that America can see that he doesn't represent most young black people. I guess we can also hope they dont see Rocky as represenative of most white people or Lisi as representative of all women.

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 3:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
Amen to that Maris!

Kep421
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08-11-2001

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AMEN Maris....*shudders at the thought of Lisi representing anything*

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

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Kep Jinx!

Kep421
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08-11-2001

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HEY SCOOT!!!

Rosie
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11-12-2003

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Worse than that, he is keeping the truck!

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 3:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ophiliasgrandma a private message Print Post    
Lisi, shudder! If I thought she represented me as a woman, I'd step off the planet.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 4:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
LOL... I agree Rosie... I would have some respect for Dreamz if he simply told Yau, "sorry dude, changed my mind, I no can do the deal...take your truck back, I'm going for the million". I would have had NO PROBLEM with Dreamz doing that...because to me, that is gameplay.

...but Dreamz didn't do anything like that...and the sad part is, I don't think the idea of returning the truck ever occured to Dreamz....I believe Dreamz literally "cheated" Yau...

Rosie
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11-12-2003

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Hukdonreality
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09-29-2003

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 4:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hukdonreality a private message Print Post    
I agree with you here about Dreamz. Survivor has always been a game where backstabbing and lying were acceptable behavior. It would never have been as popular if everyone was all la la happy, played fair, and shared their toys.

Dreamz backstabbed and lied, went back on his word, his "swear to God" and his comment that he wanted his son to see him do the right thing. He was PAID a truck for an immunity. Sure sounded like a contract to me. He should be made to give that truck back to Yau. I wonder legally, if he could be made to do just that.