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Maris
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03-28-2002

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 8:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
I was very confused by the hostility towards Cassandra and I think we must have missed stuff that didn't appear on the show. It seems to me the only dishonest thing she did on the show was not telling Earl about voting Stacy off. I never got her belief in Dreamz but none of that warrented the hostility.

I was not the least bit surprise by Alex at the final tribal council. His arrogance and belief in his superiority is what got him kicked out and he still believed in the end that he was better than everyone sitting around that fire and deserving of the money.

Dreamz -- I dont know what to say about him except he really turned my stomach at that tribal council. Rather than admit that he hadnt thought things through and like a kid in a candy shop could only see a flashy black truck that could be his, his ego demanded that he say he planned the betrayal of Yauman all along.

I just looked at the guy and thought, in a million years I would never hire that guy. he came off as a pathological liar and probably the most detestable survivor ever, along with Johnny Fairplay. I am rather happy he didnt win the money and is going to find out what a rock around his neck a 60,000 truck is with no drivers license, no insurance and now way to pay the taxes.

Great season though.

Dfng
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08-04-2005

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 8:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfng a private message Print Post    
Earl said he really thought that Dreamz was going to make good on the deal and that voting out Yao would not come up. However, Earl had an agreement with Yoa to final four... from that point they owned nothing to each other.

Marebear
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09-27-2002

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 8:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Marebear a private message Print Post    
I wondered why Yau and Earl never discussed what would happen if Dreamz went back on the deal. I was sad Earl voted him out - I thought Yau played a GREAT game - one of the best ever.

Dreamz, to me, acted mentally challenged, last night especially. I really didn't see him as acting smart about anything. He acted very confused and made up a story like someone said here to make himself feel better and justify his actions in his mind. I find his actions pathetic.

I loved how Boo acknowledged Yau - that part was great.

Yoda
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08-11-2005

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 8:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Yoda a private message Print Post    
Did I miss something? Did the final 3 have the opportunity to make a final statement (after the jury questions)? Normally they do and I think it would have been nice for them to be able to respond to some of the jury's questions (since the jury didn't seem to want to hear answers to their own questions). I don't think it would have changed anything but they should have had the right to defend themselves.

I'll never understand these jury members who suddenly become saints while whoever ends up in the final become the sinners...I think several of them were hoping for Sue Hawk moments at the final Tribal and they all failed.

Glad Earl won

Rissa
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03-20-2006

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 8:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rissa a private message Print Post    
Maris, ITA about Cassandra. There must have been a lot behind the scenes that never made it to air. For someone who came across as absolutely bland she sure raised the ire of the jury.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 8:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
My POV

Lies and betrayal- It’s part of the game. People have sworn on their lives, children, god etc. Dreamz didn’t invent the lie aspect of the game and I don’t hold it against him. To make a deal with a known liar of the game was an error.

The jury- I found this group of jury members the most inarticulate in a long time. The bitterness was ridiculous and made Lissi and the horseman seem hateful. I might have missed something because I didn’t understand where Boo’s Christian rant came from.

Yau- What a great guy. I truly enjoyed his time on my TV screen. No matter how much of a great TV moment it was, negotiating the car deal with Dreamz, I thought it was foolish of Yau to trust Dreamz since he showed that he couldn’t be trusted, over and over and over and over again. So Yau fumbled and paid the price…whimper and sob ;(.

Earl- I liked him throughout the game and was surprised that he barely watched Survivor in the past and only had days to prepare before the game started. He deserved the win…out of who was left in the final 3. He played a great game by thinking things through and teaming up with Yau early on. I wouldn’t have expected Earl to vote for Cas for a potential tie when it was narrowed down to 3 because having Yau in the finals would have significantly lowered his chances of winning the 1 and six zero prize. That move would have gone down as one of the worst Survivor moves.

Cas- I always want to root for a female to win and do well. But in Cass’s case I didn’t see her do anything that would prompt me to think hey she’s really playing the game, she’s really trying hard. In fact I was often disappointed when she basically didn’t try at the challenges. I don’t mind people riding coattails because that often takes a lot of work but I didn’t even see that in Cas. I wonder if she had it to do over again if she would have played the game more.

Dreamz- What can I say. I have a different POV than most on him. He definitely rubbed me the wrong way right from the start but as the days and weeks went by I became fonder of his game in that he shook the game up and made people scramble, which for me is fun to watch. He certainly was responsible for A LOT that happened in the game. He had his fingerprints all over most everyone’s ousters, including Yau… not that it helped him much at the end but he did play the game unlike Cas. I wouldn’t have taken the car deal but Dreamz did and again he screwed with the game by like many others who have played the game reneged on a promise to “god”. It really didn’t matter in the end since there was NO WAY anyone was going to write Dreamz on the final parchment. I don’t hold that against him considering in the game of Survivor lies and betrayal are common and part of the game. I hope Dreamz gets something positive out of Survivor.

Ed-Mookie-Alex- I found each of them throughout the game obnoxious especially right after the teams were split the second time. They were all about their macho-ness and talked often about how they had the game already wrapped up because they were the muscle and brains of the game and how glad they were that they didn’t have any “girls” on the team except for Lissi who they quickly got rid of. They had a sense of entitlement that drove me to severely dislike them all no matter of how nice of eyecandy they were.

All in all this was a good season for me even though I hated the have and have nots portion of the season.

Adven
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02-06-2001

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Adven a private message Print Post    
Dre's a young kid from a deprived background. I think it's unrealistic to put him in that environment with that much money on the line and expect him to live up to our definitions of honor and morality. It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.

I believe he never thought he'd ever have to keep his end of the bargain. I don't fault him too much for wanting to maintain his dignity and saying he was playing Yau rather than admitting he broke his promise. He likely thought his only chance of victory was to come across as a strong game player and manipulator.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 8:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
You know its a bad thing when Rocky had one of the most on point questions in jury last night...LOL!

And I love the fact that Jeff Probst acknowledged that the contestants aren't people who applied on Survivor. It does kind of seem unfair to me that people who go out of their way and would work really hard and make huge sacrifices to be on Survivor are supplanted by people like Earl (don't get me wrong - I like Earl and was glad he won). He didn't watch the show, didn't know anything about it...who did he know to get on the show?

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I was upset but could understand why Earl voted Yau Man out. Surely, even if he REALLY thought Dreamz would stick to the bargain with Yau Man, he had thought ahead to "what if" and knew he would write Yau Man's name on that card. He could have told Yau Man just ahead, or even right after Dreamz ssid he was keeping the necklace, just touched Yau's shoulder and said "I'm sorry".

But, like Yau Man, I do "understand" that to win, he had to do that.

And I understand Dreamz "having" to go back on his word (but not many other things, or not at least offering to return the truck).

But I ALSO would have understood had Yau Man taken Cassandra and Dreamz aside and said, "I know you will give me the necklace, Dreamz, but if you don't, let's vote out Earl, who is likely to beat everyone". But he didn't do that.

I also wonder how Yau Man's daughters, who are undoubtedly younger than Dreamz (Yau Man has been married for 23 years) felt about Dad giving away that truck? LOL, I got in a stupid argument with Zmom about it (sorry, Zmom), but still wonder. They may be as gracious as their dad, but I've never heard of a person on Survivor who didn't say that they were away from family FOR their family.

I don't remember the zooms in on families so much, except one of the non jury members, when Jeff asked what her kids thought about something and they panned to a couple of little ones.

I'd have traded the time taken talking to Alex and Lisi after the vote to see more of the families.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Roxip, where did Jeff say Earl didn't APPLY?

We've known all season that originally they were going to do the four tribes split on racial lines again, but at the last minute they lost one of their contestants and had to subsitute someone from the pool of people who hadn't made it on the show, and that messed up that ratio, so they went to the have and have not theme.

Last night I think what we learned was that Earl was that sudden last minute substitute. I don't think they just plucked him from the street. He had been in a pool of people (not saying he wasn't recruited, just like many are) and had been psych tested and had a physical and all that.

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Colordeagua a private message Print Post    
I was so dissappointed in Earl and his vote. The least he could have done was inform Yau of his decision and reason before tribal council. If he is the man he seems to be he will have many sad moments at selling his honor for a million dollars.

I haven't read all the posts below this one yet, so.... If Earl hadn't voted Yau off, he knew he would probably be handing the $1MM to Yau. Would you expect him to do that? It reminds me very much of BB / Yvette and Maggie. Yvette just handed 1st place to Maggie by eliminating Janelle. (Something like that. Short memory here.) So why should Earl not vote Yau out? That IS the game.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Color, I think Yau Man was surprised that Earl didn't warn him.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Yau said on The Early Show this morning that he would have voted out Earl but would have tried to be more covert about it.

When Dreamz was asked why he sacrificed his honor knowing he wasn't going to win the million, he said he left his honor at home. Yau and Earl both really thought he would do what he promised.

Cass said the big problem was that Cass got Stacy to leave her alliance with the guys.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
Okay, I concede that point, but Jeff's words were "we only found you a couple of days before you had to fly out." So I guess you are right -- Earl was recruited and went through the tests, but he didn't ASK to be on the show. But hey, for $1 million I'd jump at the chance.

Worst part for me -- not shaving. I hate to be prickly.

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
"Yau and Earl both really thought he would do what he promised".

I believe the above statement completely but also believe that it was Yau's worst move in a line of great moves. IMO he lost the potential win because it was an idiotic move to believe or hang the futre of his game on DRE...tsktsk.
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Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
LOL about not shaving! They certainly looked good all cleaned up :-)

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I don't think it was a bad move on Yau's part, EXCEPT he should have added the caveat that if Dreamz didn't live up to his part of the bargain, he had to give the truck back.

Yau knew he was spotty in winning challenges. Sometimes he did well, sometimes not. And Yau tried to win that challenge even tho he had that deal, he just couldn't hold on any longer. He was trying to double his options of making it to final three. He had a target on his back, and knew it. He knew that the others would be gunning for him at that point so he tried to increase his odds. If he hadn't made the deal, he would have been voted out anyway.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
You know, it's kind of odd to me that everyone says that lying and deceit is part of the game, and it certainly is. However, at the last vote, the most devious and backstabbing are always voted against.

It seems more sensible to me to recognize that if you do lie and deceive, and make a lot of enemies, you have no chance at the million.

So it also seems to me that it's prudent to keep the deceptions and backstabbing to a minimum, since winning the million is the purpose of the game, and not just a 'part' of it.

Dfng
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08-04-2005

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfng a private message Print Post    
I think Boo was upset with Dreamz because he said "I swear to God I will keep the deal". And I believe they had some christian conversations. So for Boo this upset him the most. Actually, that's the part I didn't like as well. When people make deals on god or their family lives, I think they cross the line.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
Just want to say before I read all other comments that I truly enjoyed this season and was very happy with the outcome and I still like Dreamz. I love that Yaoman didn't hold a grudge.

Lisi and the horseman all looked like fools.

Dfng
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08-04-2005

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 9:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dfng a private message Print Post    
Lying and deceit are a part of the game - I think the jurors just want the final 3 to fess up and admit what they have done. The winner usually can admit deceit and be humbled by it.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 10:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Yes, if they lie and deceive but proudly admit to it at the end then they get some votes, but if they lie and deceive and then say they were good as gold then they don't get votes. I think Dreamz thought this tactic might help him in the end, but in his case no one believed him.

I think Yau's deal to give Dre the car anyway, even if he reneged on his deal actually made it more likely for Dre to keep to the deal. Yau didn't want the car, he presumably has a car he's happy with, and the final money, if his gambit worked would allow him to buy a car of his chosing. (I'm assuming he could also use that money to buy his kids a more suitable car for them too, and they would understand.) He simply didn't need the car, probably didn't want it, given that he couldn't easily substitute it for cash, so giving it a way was a good game move. Also of course there's the whole get the car lose the prize thing. I think it was a good deal, that could have paid off. When it didn't he took responsibility.

Bob2112
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06-12-2002

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 10:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bob2112 a private message Print Post    
Seamonkey: Earl wasn't the last second substitute for the player that quit. The original plan was for 20 players, split into 4 teams of 5 on racial lines. A player quit the night before day 1 and the producers decided to go with 19. Sylvia got picked to split up the teams and she went to exile island and ultimately joined the team that had to vote someone out at the first tribal council.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 10:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
"Last night I think what we learned was that Earl was that sudden last minute substitute. I don't think they just plucked him from the street. He had been in a pool of people (not saying he wasn't recruited, just like many are) and had been psych tested and had a physical and all that."

I thought that he had been in a pool of people too. Jeff only talked about calling Earl on a Friday and Earl being on a plane on a Monday. But Earl said today on Regis and Kelly that he was in a restaurant and a casting agent came up to him and wanted him to be on TAR! He has no idea why they wanted him! It was an interesting and funny conversation that Regis had with Earl. (Kelly too.) I came away from R and K show today feeling like Earl is a really good guy and more interesting, funny, personable, and fun loving than we saw him on the show. (and I liked him on the show, but more so on Reg and K.)

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Monday, May 14, 2007 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
Earl did say on Regis and Kelly that someone that was supposed to be on Survivor dropped out at the last minute.