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Snee
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06-26-2001

Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 9:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Snee a private message Print Post    
i read somewhere that this time the survivors had an actual training session before they were marooned. interesting.

i also loved the kiss between yul and ozzy!

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 10:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Good points Seamonkey! Also, I had forgotten the point that Billy "felt no alliance to his original Hispanic team mates" even though it seemed pretty powerful (to me) at that time.

I think though, if someone is dragging the team down, it's like a mental fugue that drags down the momentum - making it harder to get NEW wins. Especially, given the mental/isolation/no control/hardships of the environment in which they've been thrust among total strangers (not like playing with old high school buddies where you know it may just be an "off" game temporarily).

From next week's preview, it looks like Jonathan perhaps loses his temper (maybe just editing) and does the Scolding-Papa around camp. From what it appears to me, in the past challenges Jonathan works hard but may be a bit a bumbler, many missteps & not bringing home the trophy. Like, them shouting at him for mistaking the compass point/direction last week for instance & wasting time in the challenge.

Could that possibly change the dynamics from ? :
4 Caucasians (orig. tribe) vs. 1 minority=Nate (who has bonded well during the second session of the tribe)
into:
4 Young People vs. 1 Old Person=Jonathan (a manipulating, mutineering irritant from the beginning)

As angry/hurt/betrayed as those initial jurors may feel at their oustings, so hard to predict. Believe it or not, I'm not yet sure WHO I'm rooting for. Maybe Ozzie, but not sure he has the conniving skills to make it to the end. Maybe Yul, he seems pretty decent plus shows good discrete gameplay. I don't really see anyone that I particularly dislike. Even Jonathan has many points that I value a LOT.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 11:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I think they are given training about the islands, and the wildlife, and the area they will be living in, for the next month. I remember one of the seasons (an early one) had the survivors get "tested" based on the "guide books" they were given before the start of the show. Stuff about what plants are safe, what foods can be eaten, what animals can be eaten, etc. I think it's a pretty basic workshop, because I remember how much that one tribe learned from having the "visiting locals" who taught them how to cook and eat the foods of the area (I want to say that was the season Brian won).

Seamonkey
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Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 11:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
That was a good prize that the team won and it seemed to really help them to eat of the land, so to speak. Seems like this season they really don't lack food, as long as they keep a diver around who will take out the spear. Still would be interesting to know what might be edible in the area.

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 11:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
Three finalist with nine jury members? That would be a twist.

Yes, they do go through some pre-show training in the vicinity of the local. No talking amongst the players. Shown the safe foods and dangerous stuff to avoid at their location.


Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 11:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I have been thinking that with the "even" number of jury votes (whether there are 2 or 3 finalists), would leave room for a public vote, if there is a need for a tie breaker. If there isn't a need, there could be a prize for popularity, like a car, or 10,000 or somethin'.

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 12:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
Biscottiii, that wasn't what I was saying at all. I'm not complaining about the twist, and I don't know where you got the idea that I'd like the show to be a boring Harlequin romance. I'm the one who hates the coupling nonsense. I'm arguing the claim that Ozzy was smart to get rid of Billy. That move didn't get him any further in this game. It nearly cost him the game if not for the sheer luck of the mutiny happening at that time.

He should be thanking Candice and Jonathan instead of acting all vengeful. He was the next to go, and it didn't look like anyone on his tribe was going to be heartbroken about it since all his original allies were so easily picked off. They knew the merge was coming and didn't want to compete against him. That's the danger of showing what a great survivalist he is. It made him a huge target, especially since he hadn't built close friendships with the people around him. Ozzy came off as arrogant in the beginning of the game, and when the teams got mixed up it didn't seem like any of his new tribemates warmed up to him much. They're loving him now because they need him, but if they make it to final four they'll all be gunning for him.

As for Billy, that was just a sad bit of laziness on everyone's part. He didn't feel like one of the others because he didn't identify with the Hispanic culture, and they didn't seem to want to bother to work with him to clear the air about their complaints. Instead they took the lazy way out and ditched him. They had been doing well in the challenges, so it wasn't like Billy was dragging them down. The fact that they had to work so hard to lose that challenge proves that. JP, Christina, and Cecilia all paid for that decision.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 12:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
I think on the even number of jury members there is going to be a twist where they can negate one of the jury members before the vote.

I really warmed up to Becky in this episode. I guess it's not totally her fault because of editing, but she has seemed to be such a one-dimensional character to me from the start of the game. During the village feast she pulled one of the children to her and kissed them on the forehead. It was such an 'awwwwwwwwww' moment, so tender and sweet of her. It made me see a side of her that I didn't realize was there and I liked it.

Seamonkey, I think that Parvati was just as happy as Adam to have Candace AND Jonathon come over. I think that she actually likes Jonathon or, at least, feels comfortable in an alliance with him because it seemed to me that she was concerned about Nate wanting to vote off Jonathon.

Adam is so full of himself that he thinks he has everyone fooled, but I'm sure Parvati knows that an alliance with just Candace and Adam would be very troublesome and that both of them would throw her under the bus. She has already seen Candace try to throw Jonathon. Parvati seems to read people well and I hated the way they edited her in the first shows because she is a manipulator, but they tried to portray her as an airhead female manipulator and I think she is a lot more subtle than that. I think that Jonathon would be a good ally for her to have.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 12:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I think that is a good analysis of Parvati. I certainly had a bad reaction to her and haven't been able to throw that off. I've liked Becky all along. I do get why people seem not to like her but I'm predisposed to like asian people (all things being equal). I agree that we saw so much more from her (and Yul and Sundra, actually) at the village feast. I wonder if Ozzy participated and they just didn't show it.. what we saw made him look rather dull.

Unfortunately for me the only Raro I like much is Nate and I fear he's soon to be gone.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 1:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I think it's unfair to blame Ozzy for the tribe throwing the challenge, and voting off Billy. IIRC, the two women had a problem with Ozzy suggesting it, and combined with Billy, they could have EASILY voted off Ozzy. And it seems that it would have to be a group decision to throw the challenge, not just Ozzy's, considering that challenge was all of them working as a group through the maze. Every one of the tribe members decided to throw the challenge, not just Ozzy, or Ozzy and JP. And even if they didn't throw it, they still had the numbers to vote out Ozzy if they kept Billy with them.

You can't blame Ozzy for making the suggestion. With the lack of footage that we see with Survivor, it could be the case that "throwing it" is often an idea in the heads of tribes, at different stages of the game. It's just not always covered.

To me, it seems like the whole group was really into getting rid of Billy, based on their actions DURING the IC.

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 1:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Curlyq ~ "Biscottiii, that wasn't what I was saying at all. I'm not complaining about the twist, and I don't know where you got the idea that I'd like the show to be a boring Harlequin romance. "

Hey Curlyq, Thanks for explaining!
Yes, I believe I DID misunderstand you, enjoyed your further explanations for the reasons you felt the way you did. I keep seeing people posting they so bored, & bored some more, not knowing why they keep watching...etc....and I likely misconstrued where you were coming from as a result! I'm sorry!
If I knew how to insert one of those
<red spanky-butted smileys> I would too, as a matter of fact!

I think we will have to 'agree to disagree' about the deep-sixing of Billy. Just see how the story plays it out. He wasn't even trying, for whatever reasons! Maybe people will keep offering more ideas and eventually I could change my mind. I'm just stuck.

In agreement, that the coupling nonsense makes me crazy too! Like these women feel so WEAK that they can only do the flirticious to break their palm frond ceiling? What will they do when they have to break the glass ceiling back in the real world?

Personally, this is the most interesting Survivor that I've seen in a few years. Unpredictable, I enjoy 'gnawing on the potentials'.
Thanks again for the extra explanations Curlyq! Bisc

Biscottiii
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Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 1:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    


OK Okay Curlyq!
Felt bad for misunderstanding you and am willing to do the public penance. (Kool that it gave a chance to figure out HOW to do it! )

Just don't anyone give Candice and Adam any kinky ideas tho, ok? I think those palm fronds have thorns. Bisc

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 2:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Eeyores, no matter who had the idea to throw the challenge it was clear as crystal that Ozzy was the one who just stood and didn't perform in that competition.. it was painfully clear that he was causing the loss of his tribe. I think that was the only beef I had that he wasn't at all subtle. I'm not one who wrote him off from that point forward, however.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 7:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I haven't read thru all the posts since Friday night, but...

I just watched the show, and Jeff *did* say that the two evictees were on the jury... Rebecca, the 10th person voted out and the 2nd person on the jury) and Jenny, the 11th person voted out and the 3rd person on the jury.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 8:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I don't agree that Nate has a big target on his back. He's a strong member of the team physically, and although Jonathan is able to catch fish, I think he's got the biggest target.

I'm thinking that now that Rebecca and Jenny are gone, Raro may actually come together as a team. They are now the strongest they've been (Nate, Adam, Parvati, and Candice have all shown various strengths at challenges). If they can get their act together and start to work as a team, they do have a chance. But I think Jonathan is their weakest link. He *hasn't* performed well at challenges. He kept missing on that "shoot the target in the water" thing. And he really did a lousy job with the compass challenge (they couldn't even remember the coordinates Jeff told them? WTH?).

I'm thinking I'd like to see Yul in the finals, along with maybe Ozzie. Becky does nothing for me (I kinda feel she's hanging on Yul's coattails) and I don't think there's a chance Sundra will make it to the finals. No one on Raro really gets my attention, except for maybe Nate (although his arrogance has bugged me) and Parvati (I truly hated her "I'm gonna flirt my way to $1 million"). So, Yul and Ozzie to the finals. (Both are strong players, both are loyal.)

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 11:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I hope you are right, Costacat.. Purrrr if they keep Nate through the merge! I just wonder why if they merge why we see Yul approaching Jonathan instead of Nate, but I suppose because they still hope he'd be loyal to Aitu, or they may see that Raro isn't happy with Jonathan?

And good point about the team being stronger and Jonathan perhaps the weakest in competitions.

If they think they will be merging they won't feel as much need for him as a provider (Parvati used that as a reason for voting off the girls instead of Jonathan in one of her voting confessionals.

I feel differently about Becky and hope she and Yul make it to the end but I like Ozzy too and I've started liking Sundra more, or at least noticing her more, lately.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 11:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Well, what if there was a conversation that is started with Jonathan reaching out to Yul with an olive branch. He says "I jumped, to make sure Candace and I were still together. You and I, and Candace and Becky are still tight, and I brought in Adam and Parvati, to have the numbers to get rid of the rest of them. But our original 4 is still tight: you, me, Candace, Becky. Cool?"

Yul responds that he needs to think about it.

Then Yul comes back with that offer, but deep down, he sees right through Jonathan.

That's one way it could go down.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 12:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Could be! He'd be lying but...
and yeah, hope he'd see through something like that.

Pamy
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Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 12:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I will be so sad if Nate goes soon, he has been a great competitor and gets along with everyone, he deserves to be in finals with Oz and Yul. I dont want any of the girls in the finals

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 3:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
Did I hear Jeff say..."Remember folks there is not guarantee of a merge" ?

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 3:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
That would be fine, but next weeks TV Guide clearly states that the tribes merge and one castaway is voted out.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 4:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I don't know if Yul will ever trust Jonathan again. He was already starting to sit on the fence about him. Jonathan's jumping sides isn't gonna endear him to the remaining Aitu members.

And yes, Jeff said there is no guarantee of a merge. It could be tomorrow, it could be next week, it could be never. But knowing Survivor, I don't think there is any way they'd do it without a merge. They need to split up the teams and allow them to form other alliances.

And to whomever it was who said he/she got all grossed out with the Candice/Adam sucking tongue thing... OMG I so agree! Adam was kissing Candice's FILTHY fingers (kissing her ow-ies!). And she obviously hasn't shaved (no deoderant either). So yes, it's definitely got a "eww gross!" factor going on. Even just soap would be good (heck, I'd wash my mouth out with soap if I hadds! <grin>).

As far as the "training," I think every Survivor season has a "training" period. The survivors are taught how to do basic things and are taught what's OK to eat and what's poisonous in their surroundings. That's how they know what nuts are OK to eat. And I'm sure that's also how they know how to recognize things like coconuts and so on. :-)

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 5:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Ahhhh....your post just brought back great memories of the season where the two tribes went and lived on the same beach, and Shii-Ann migrated over to the other group, and thought she was sitting so pretty, and then they learned at the immunity challenge that they were just two tribes on a single beach. LOLOLOL!!!

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 9:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
Thanks Nick...and I even take TV guide. I missed that.

Slinkydog
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11-30-2005

Monday, November 20, 2006 - 1:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Slinkydog a private message Print Post    
I just got around to watching it last night. Great episode! Can't wait to see what happens next.

Here's what I want to happen next: Tribes merge, Yul wins individual immunity, and majority vote to evict Ozzy. Yul has given Ozzy the II idol, so Candice is evicted with 2nd highest number of votes. I would also be happy if Adam left. Either way.

Re Adam and Candice tonguing each other, nasty! I don't even like to see people on TV wake up in the morning and start tonguing each other before they brush their teeth. Ick!

One thing is for sure: Billy will be ready to kick Adam's ass for kissing on his girl.

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Monday, November 20, 2006 - 8:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kaili a private message Print Post    
I think they should throw off the jury number to make it odd by having the first person to give up (when they go for their first individual immunity & it's endurance), be out. All the way out. No jury. So if there's some over-confidant person who decides they don't need to win it, they don't get to play anymore.

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Monday, November 20, 2006 - 8:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
LOL Slinky
re: Billy doing the a$$ kicking for his bad breathed Candy gal!

I so hope you're right about the Yul & Ozzie maneuvers. Yul is clever/smart enough that I would expect he's going work that idol, so it will give him the most bang for the buck! Not merely hang onto it like an insurance policy, until he can't begin to use it. By your scenario, he's on the offensive - reducing RARO numbers for potential pagong, plus breaking up the C/A romber-type situation that we've already seen can sneak in to bite them on the buff!
Makes sense to me, so hope you're right!!!!! Bisc

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, November 20, 2006 - 8:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I like the idea about the immunity idol, but I would be so scared for Yul, he has to be so sure they're not going to go for him instead. It's a risk, hope fully Ozzy can get immunity by himself and one of the others will go.

Starshine40
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07-30-2002

Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 1:16 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Starshine40 a private message Print Post    
Kitt, that sounds good. I can see Ozzy winning Indiviual Immunity and the Raro tribe wanting to get rid of Yul so all of them voting for him and he uses the Immunity Idol.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 7:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
Kaili, I like your idea!

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kaili a private message Print Post    
Wouldn't you love to see the person's face drop? Like if Boogie had jumped down off that volcano in BB and been all cocky about how they both would have to take him....then Julie Chen came on and said that if you don't care about winning competitions, you shouldn't be playing so buh-bye.

Only thing is I don't think there's anyone in this Survivor that feels soooo confident that they wouldn't try for it. I dont think any of their large alliances right now are solid enough for that. That's why I'm liking this season.

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 5:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texasdeb a private message Print Post    
I can see it going the same way as Starshine40. I don't want Yul to use the idol on anyone but himself because I don't want anyone to feel in debt to him. I like him & hope he goes alot further. If Raro can't get Ozzy because he wins the II, they surely would go after Yul & bamb, bye, bye to either Jonathan, Nate, or Adam. (Why wouldn't they want to go for Adam & kill 2 birds with one stone - get a strong person off & break up the Adam/Candace thing).

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 9:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Kaili, I woulda paid them to do that to Boogie. That is an awesome idea.