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Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Azriel, I have to agree with that. Once it goes to individual immunity, you better get off your butt and contribute because for what reason would anyone else make sure you stayed nourished to compete? Where's the advantage?

I hate to say that Candice did sound whiney when she was confronting them too.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 12:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Not to mention that it was clear that the pampered ones hadn't even tried helping out.. I mean all this time and Parvati hadn't even WATCHED SOMEONE ELSE gut a fish? Let along gutted one or caught one!

More time to do yoga on the beach! Let someone else catch, clean, cook and serve.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 1:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Hey! Adam and Parvati were heading out to "hunt octopus" last episode. LOL (sense the sarcasm)

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 2:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Pavarti obviously did not have the loving, nurturing grandfather that I had. He taught me how to catch a fish when I was eight and then tossed me a knife and told me if I catch them I damn well better clean them. I'm amazed every year at the people who are selected for Survivor who don't figure anything out before they go on the show; can't make a fire, don't know what to eat, can't crack a coconut (they are hard), don't want to fix the shelter right, etc.

I was saying to Adam and Pavarti 'get up and get that fire going' when Jonathon came back with the fish and said they'd have some fish if the fire was going. I woulda been lighting stuff up quick if it was me.

Yes. They are definitely slow on the uptake on some stuff but maybe they just watched Survivor Amazon and thought Jenna was the example on how things should be done to win.

I want to go hunt an octopus.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 5:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
LOL, Chili, where fish are concerned I have always abided by the three C rule. I don't catch them, clean them or consume them.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 5:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Azriel, you should at least catch some. It's a lot of fun and you can donate them to the local Rescue Mission or something. If you go out on a charter it's not quite as much fun but the charter crew will clean them for you.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 5:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
Chili, I just went to cbs.com because I was going to look at the videos you were talking about, but I got distracted by the lie detector game. Guess what, I got 8/9. Jonathan was the only one that fooled me, lol.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 5:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
More pics from the Immunity Challenge that Survivor Fever pulled and had featured in their summary of a speculation of what the IC is.

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Jonathan diving from the blue platform
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Ozzy on the red platform and Sundra trying to crawl up on the platform. See the walking planks next to the red platform, it's different than the barrels leading up to the blue platform.
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Ozzy throwing something out ahead of him from the platform.
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Yul also throwing something out in front on him.
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So it looks like there are two platforms and at least two types of balance things .... barrels and planks. The picture of Jonathan diving from the blue platform towards what looks like a buoy might mean that they have to dive for something to bring back to shore.....which is what we see Ozzy and Yul throwing out in front of themselves.

So...is the blue platform before the red platform, or vice versa? That's not clear yet. I'm guessing the blue platform comes before the diving for the object and then the red platform balancing act before the swim back to shore with the object......

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 6:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
I'm going to jump way out on a limb here and give my own speculation about who wins the Reward Challenge based on the pictures from the vidcaps.
I think Jonathan wins the RC and takes Becky and Sundra with him.....and, of course, the respective loved ones.
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From Survivor Fever:
Reward Challenge: Survivors are blindfolded and they throw water to their loved one, who probably has to catch it in a bucket and fill something up which maybe raises a flag or something...

From TDT: Mitiaro pool is also the family visit (F7 episode)

Survivor Fever Quotes a poster from Survivor Sucks from earlier in the season: "Another version of this visit I heard ...Cave not a challenge ...contestants won RC and winners flown over, blindfolded, taken from plane to cave, blindfolds off in cave ... then taken to local-style feast ... local tumunu came to them."
"FWIW, I've heard that this is a reward feast and the cave visit was not a challenge but a stop along the way for dramatic effect. Only the RC winners were flown over ...and the Jamaican girl is there too (which supports TDT's tip that Sundra goes far)."

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I think this is a picture of Sundra's child which she wouldn't see unless she was at the Reward.
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This is food ... it's chicken, not fish.
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This is Ozzy with a fish catch
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This is obviously Ozzy, Parvati, Adam and Yul at camp eating fish.
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This is Jonathan eating something, looks a little hardier than fish, and might not even be a picture that belongs to this episode...but I'm just throwing it in.

Also, in the discussions above about hiding food, it is Yul and Ozzy in those pictures and discussions and no Jonathan around. You know he would love to be in on that hiding of food stuff.

And, if anybody else won I don't think they would take Jonathan on reward..........so that's why I think Jonathan wins and takes the two girls.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 7:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
Takng the two girls would certainly be J's best strategy - not disppointing either of the two guys more than the other!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 9:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Jonathan and Sundra are the only ones listed as living with anyone (wife and 2 kids for him, son for her), so they'd be natural to be chosen. It'll be interesting. He would probably use the opportunity to work the girls to flip on Ozzy. But leaving Ozzy with Yul might give Ozzy time to work on Yul against Jonathan. I don't see Adam and Parvati gaining any favor at camp. And of course we have the possible removal of Parvati because of her injury but that would seem to have to come at least after the comp where she's leaping over the barrels.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 11:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Survivor Insider - Last Tribal Council

OZZY (Candice): Been wanting to vote for you for a long, long time. You just eat a lot, you betrayed us, and you don’t deserve to win. So, see you later.

SUNDRA (Candice): Hey Candice. This, of course you know, has never been personal. It was all strategy. Um, I know you had to tell me a couple of lies as part of the strategy to try to get me over. And I really meant what I said today, in that I hope that our closeness was not just strategy and that we can still be friends after this because there’s more than the game. And I really mean that, and I hope it’s the same on your part, okay?

JONATHAN (Candice): It was never personal. We always planned to go all the way together and I did plan on that. And then you jumped ship, the opportunity came around for me to go the other way. Mathematically it made complete sense. And I’m not going to sacrifice myself for you. Tonight you showed me your true colors. You never trusted Parvati or Nate. Sorry. I know I hurt your feelings. I never meant to.

BECKY (Candice) : Hmm, girl you know it’s nothing personal and that I love you. If only you hadn’t jumped ship and changed sides.

ADAM (Jonathan): I hope everyone else finally sees your true colors.

CANDICE (Jonathan): Jonathan, I suppose its you tonight. You know what I think about you, I said it tonight. And uh, wow. Piece of work.

PARVATI (Jonathan): Clearly, Jonathan, you’re a big meanie and a bully and I think everyone would be better off if you went home tonight.

YUL (Candice): Candice, I have a ton of respect for you as a competitor. I really wish you had never stepped off that mat, because if you hadn’t, I just really believe we’d be working together right now on our way to the final four. It would’ve been an honor. But you did step off that mat and set in motion a sequence of events such that tonight I have to vote you off. I wish you the best.
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I found this very interesting. Obviously Becky and Sundra still cared for Candice, even though Becky sent her to Exile Island. Also, it appears that Yul was still honoring the pact for Final 4 with Candice and Jonathan at the time they jumped ship, which means had they not jumped ship Yul would have been voting Sundra and/or Ozzy off if given the chance. Man........what a turn of events that mutiny made.

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
Well.........so much for my speculation about Jonathan winning the RC and taking Becky and Sundra (LOL). At least I gave it a shot.

TDT says they have heard that Parvati wins this with her Dad as the other kin. Spoiler info says that Sundra was there, so obviously her Mom goes with her. The 3rd person should then be Adam, I would think, and his Dad.

Per TDT, those family members participating are: Becky's sister (Sarah), Sundra's mom (Jeanette), and Parvati's dad (Mike)- At least, they're the ones featured in the web promo. We've also heard that Yul's brother, Adam's dad, Jonathan's wife and Ozzy's mom show up, as well.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 12:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
Darn Ginger, I liked your speculation better.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
what a turn of events that mutiny made.

Ginger, ITA! I bet no one ever does it again LOL

thanks again for all you do here!!!!

well I still think your spec is better than the spoiler!!!

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
LOL AZ, jinx

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
There is a clip on CBS.com where Candice explains her reasoning for the mutiny. She said she realized she was bottom of the totem pole on the Aitu tribe and the powers that be were strong enough she had no chance of infiltrating her way into a better position. When the mutiny was offered she jumped at it because she knew Raro had no real leadership on their tribe and she already had a 'in' with Adam. She felt with Adam backing her she could take over that tribe more or less without anyone really knowing she was doing it. She figured this was her only and best shot to gain a stronger position in the game. It does make sense and it may have worked out for her if she hadn't made some stupid mistakes along the way.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 3:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
It might have worked if Jonathan hadn't followed her..

Alaginger
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07-11-2002

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 4:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alaginger a private message Print Post    
That also makes sense to me Chili, that Candice was thinking that way......but according to what Yul had to say at the voting confessional when he voted her out, it sounds like he had planned to go to the F4 with her...and the other part of the original foursome at Aitu was with Jonathan.

Of course, now we will never know how it would have worked out.

I'm trying to figure out in my mind if the F4 are the Fearsome Four, who would take who to F2 if they won the last challenge (and that's not considering the rumour that there might be an F3 this time). Ozzy would win the bucks better against one of the girls rather than Yul, and the same goes for the other way around. But I'm wondering if Becky or Sundra would feel honor-bound to either Ozzy or Yul at that point if they won that last challenge, because we are talking a million dollars here!!! It's fun trying to figure it out...but better from my easy chair rather than out there in the heat and bugs and back-stabbing.

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 7:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Do we know that it's a final 2 and not a final 3? Unless my math is bad, I think if it's a final 2 then a tie could happen. Or, did I miss something along the way?

What's the consensus on who gets voted off next Thursday? Do we know yet?

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 8:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Coulda, shoulda, didn't...if there had not been a mutiny the Y, B, J, C, S, O might not necessarily have won the challenges that they went on to win after the mutiny. Candice is sure spinning her lousy move.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 8:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Really.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 12:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
No matter how she spins it, Candace just never wanted to be in an alliance with Jonathan. She wanted to snugglebunny with Adam and that was her downfall.

I understand that you have to be wary of anyone that says they want to go to final two with you, but come on, it was clear to anyone with half a brain that the decisions Jonathan was making up to that point, even going as far as stepping off the mat and following her, always benefited her, too. She thought she didn't need him because she had her snugglebunny and it was just one dumb move after another on her part.

If she had acted like she was still in an alliance with Jonathan after they mutinied he would have double-crossed Yul at the vote after the merge. She made it so abundantly clear that he was the fifth wheel that Jonathan had to do what was best for him alone from that point on.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 4:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
A tie could happen if there is a final three as well. If there is a final TWO, there are 10 jurors. If there is a final THREE, there are nine.

I was saying earlier that I think there could be a possibility for a public vote, in case of a tie, and if there is no tie, the public vote awards a car or something. Just a thought....

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 10:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texasdeb a private message Print Post    
I agree with all who say Candace "cooked her own goose". Crap, if she would have just kept her mouth shut & not confronted Jon in front of his new alliance about them all not liking him, they may have just voted Jon out instead of her.