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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Monday, December 18, 2006 - 6:18 pm
Ozzy is a healthy, single guy who owns land in Panama and can afford to go on 5-month camping trips. I don't think a lack of money is what stops him from getting a college degree, if that's what he thinks he needs to better himself. Certainly, there are a lot of people who didn't need to have $1M before they could get their degree. In real life, I'd guess that "honest and hard-working" fits Yul more than it does Ozzy.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, December 18, 2006 - 7:01 pm
He can always start at community college. On the Early Show he uttered not a word about school but joked about fast cars. Maybe tht was just good strategy. As for being happy that a minority won, as Yul explained, he grew up not seeing people who looked like him on TV, so he's happy. Julie Chen said "you and me both". I'd have been a little bit happier if Ozzy talked of winning for people of Mexican descent rather than winning "for Mejico", but no big deal. Candice, Parvati, Nate and Adam and their grimaces and mugging for the cameras, bleh. We've had lots of corporate lawyer winners? This isn't about who needs money, that was queen for a day Ozzy was focussed on winning MOST Of the time ... as Billy found out. Seemed to me that they showed Adam and Parvati promising they would NOT vote for Yul unless he helped oust Jonathan that week. So he didn't have to give Yul his vote but he chose to. Parvati chose not. I'm just happy to have two at the final who would be completely fitting as winners and these two were. My vote would be for Yul but Ozzy was also worthy.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Monday, December 18, 2006 - 9:20 pm
Watching the show, I thought that Ozzy lost the million when he said that he'd been playing the game for himself. But then I looked at the votes above and realized there was no way Ozzy could've won. Adam: Yul because he said he would if Yul got Jonathan out before him and Candace Candace: Yul (ditto) Uonathan: Yul because he respected his game play and he didn't like Ozzy Sundra: Yul because I think she bonded with him more Brad: Yul because he really didn't get to know Ozzy I think Ozzy's votes (Parvati, Nate, Jenny, Rebecca) were divided: Parvati and Nate because they respected him, Rebecca and Jenny because they didn't like how Yul got them voted out. I'm not sure that Ozzy could've taken any of the votes away from Yul, so I'm pretty sure there's no way Ozzy could've won. Unfortunately. That said, I think I really would've preferred to see Ozzy win. I really like how he dominated in all the challenges. And yeah, without Ozzy, Yul's hidden II would've had to come into play. Did Yul actually win ANY challenges? I can't seem to recall. I don't think he was one of the better players in the challenges... coming "close" really doesn't count, now does it? <wink> Oh yeah, and sorry ladies. But I don't think Yul is sexy at all. Not at all attractive to me, not cleaned up and not scruffy. Finally, there is no way the Aitu Four would've made the final four without BOTH Ozzy (and his physical dominance) and Yul (and his hidden II). The two together were like flint and steel -- without one, the other wouldn't have managed to keep the tribe together. And I do truly believe that if Ozzy hadn't won all the individual immunities he did, he'd have ended up getting kicked off. Becky really didn't want him there, and eventually would've put a bug into Yul's ear to get rid of Ozzy. BTW, the reason why I thought Yul was smug? I don't think he really made all the decisions himself. I'm pretty sure he hashed things out, often, with the others and especially with Becky. Yet he allowed himself to be thought of that way, which, I guess, ultimately ended up with the same result, yes?
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Beth4freedom
Member
10-24-2003
| Monday, December 18, 2006 - 9:54 pm
I thought that Ozzy and Yul were delightful on the Early Show today; both seemed very happy for themselves and each other. Yul said some of the money would go to help his family out for support they have shown in the past; also for some unspecified good cause(s). I liked when Ozzy talked last night about being so at home in the Cook Island environment; like he was born to live there, and depressed when he had to leave. (I remember a woman last year I think who was so depressed on leaving, she was planning to go back.) I so identified with his remark that he felt like he was born to live in the water. I have felt that same thing myself; that my natural environment is the water, and it is only by some fluke that I have gotten stranded on dry land.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, December 18, 2006 - 10:06 pm
Costa it was Adam and Parvati who threatened Yul with NOT giving him votes if he kept Jonathan. Candice went before Jonathan. And Parvati voted for Ozzy. But Yul did get Adam's vote. And Candice's for another reason.. answering her question yes or no. I agree that they were pretty delightful and happy and that was nice to see. I got the feeling that the Aitu Four were all very happy that Ozzy won immunity. They really didn't want to share the end with Adam AND they really DID want to share it with Ozzy, even though they knew what a threat he was. And I think Ozzy was relieved that it was final three so he didn't have to choose Becky over Yul. He said he'd have voted for Yul over Becky. LOL and judging from the number of family who stormed the stage, Yul has plenty of People to potentially help out!
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Monday, December 18, 2006 - 10:30 pm
Trueheart, by now I am simply echoing many other posters before me who tried to point out that, Survivor is not just a game of "let's see who can survive best out there in the wild". I said it last night and many others said it today: Ozzy was out there playing by and for himself. His only focus was to win every challenge. Yes, that is a big part of the game. And it's a fact that poor Ozzy probably had no choice but winning. (We will never know, granted the editing showed us many worried convos between Yul & Bec to push us that way) But even if you disregard Yul's strategy, you can not deny the fact that Yul must had a better social game. <I do recognize Oz for feeding them. But I could just see Yul catching fish if Oz wasn't there. Jon was a good one at that, too. Brad and Nate was very capable as well....> When Yul first started to plan on using the Hii to get A4 to the F4, wait, or even when he plotted w/ Bec to get to the F2 w/Hii, how many of us just said to ourselves: Not gonna happen! Some can call the other three of the A4 boring, call the Raro stupid or envy Yul's dumb luck, but we all have to admit that Yul accomplished something very difficult in this game. I believe that's why Jeff called his a perfect game. Again, I would have been happy for an Ozzy win as well. I'm not rooting for Yul just because he looks like my brothers or cousins, honest! Like C1 said last night, they(he meant the Jury, I suppose) never listen to viewers when it comes to reality tv shows. I totally disagree with Lance for once. That the show reflects our society and all. But I'm out of gas to have long discussion now. I just want to say, if it really reflect this society, a white male would have been the winner. TPTB started this game with equal numbers of each race(I agree with Jenny, CB, Brad, Billy and Jon... tptb used that word way too loosely). Not a reflection to anything around here(Central NY)! ....... Too many reasons why Yul won and none of them is about that! .... Unless you'd want to make something about the wondering Jew's big influence in this game as well. 
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Beth4freedom
Member
10-24-2003
| Monday, December 18, 2006 - 10:32 pm
Seamonkey, interesting that Ozzy said he "he'd have voted for Yul over Becky." I wondered that myself. Some interesting choices have happened at the very end, when the person who gets to make the final choice for partner in final two, it's not always been based on the person they most feel they can defeat. I remember Colby vividly, when he basically gave it away to Tina by inviting her on board. And of course Rob when he proved his love by taking Amber. So I can believe Ozzy would have taken Yul. After all, he didn't choose to join Adam and Pavrati in what MIGHT have been a good strategic move to prevent his getting voted out later as a threat. The four really seemed to have ethically and otherwise bonded to the end, and I loved to see that powerful force!
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Trueheart
Member
09-12-2006
| Monday, December 18, 2006 - 11:35 pm
Survivor is not just a game of "let's see who can survive best out there in the wild". I agree. And I don't think I ever discounted Survivor as being a "strategic" game. I was just saying that I think too much emphasis is put on the "strategic" aspect. IMO (I know I'm alone) I think the two skills should be treated equally. "Physical survival/strength" should be viewed as important as "strategy". you can not deny the fact that Yul must had a better social game. I don't think I ever said otherwise? I was never trying to prove that Ozzy's social/strategic skills were better than Yul's (although Ozzy did have SOME strategy in the game!). Yul excelled in strategy over Ozzy. Ozzy excelled in dominance of challenges/environment over Yul. I simply get irritated when people (not everyone)say that Yul was more deserving of the win. I think that Ozzy was just as deserving. It seems that in viewers eyes, it always comes down to which is more important "physical adaption/dominance" or "strategy". I think they are both equally important (that is why Yul and Ozzy make such a deadly combo). But MOST TIMES (if not all of the time) survival skills take second place to strategy. I don't think this is right. I guess my whole point is....I acknowledge the fact that Survivor is not just a game of "let's see who can survive best out there in the wild". But sometimes I would like someone to win for their sheer power to outplay and outlast physically. Someone to win because they adapted so thoroughly to their environment. Someone to win because they remained so dominant in challenges. Someone to win because they played a true primitive "survivalist" game. I've said it before...I'm not upset on Ozzy's behalf because of the money. He deserved the title of "sole survivor" IMO. Oh well.....I'll just have to brace myself for next year when, yet again, the winner is chosen because they had the "best strategic game". It seems as though the physical nature of Survivor isn't given much credit in the end.
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 12:25 am
I believe the question Julie asked on The Early Show was who would Ozzy vote for if the final two was Yul vs. Becky. Ozzy answered "Yul" but it wasn't an interesting question. On Survivor Live, Ozzy was asked if he thought he was screwed by the F3 twist and who he would have chosen to bring to F2. Ozzy agreed that the twist hurt him and he said he would have definitely taken Becky or Sundra over Yul. In that sense, Ozzy was smarter than Colby.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 2:40 am
The Aitu 4 were extremely boring people. They showed little if any personality. I would have liked to seen more of the question/answer session. They seemed to pretty much ignore Becky during this and I'm sure they cut a lot of that out. However, I can see why as she was pretty much a coattail rider and they certainly treated her as such in the end. ITA with Trueheart. Ozzy absolutely deserved to be the sole survivor and winner of this game. I have to wonder how long Yul would have lasted without the HII to keep him in the game and the moronic play of the rest of them by not trying to out it. We know Ozzy could and did win most of the II challenges. We don't know if Yul could or not. I'd like to see the use of the HII abandoned. It has only given one player a definite unfair advantage both seasons it has been used and they were both people I didn't really want to win. I also have to agree with Csnog. They're just men. None of them were very good looking. Some had hot bodies but once you add their faces to the mix it pretty much killed it.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 5:17 am
to whoever said that yul didnt get jenny and rebeccas vote because they didnt like how he vote them out. yul diidnt vote them out. that was pre merge and the raros voted them out instead of jonathan. as far as ozzy winning, i thought about all the past survivors and the only winner i can think who did good in the challenges was tom from season 10. kelly s1, colby s2, matt s6 all won a lot of challenges but took second. survivor history has shown that the social/leadership skills go along way in this game. what they should try to do one time is have one season all competitive athletes and one season all more social players. for me i dont really count the pre merge voters so that meant it was 4-2 yul on the merge votes. they were the ones together the whole time. that means the respected yuls game and power. ozzys only downfall was not playing the social aspect more with adam and candice.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 7:09 am
Ozzy was asked if he thought he was screwed by the F3 twist and who he would have chosen to bring to F2. Ozzy agreed that the twist hurt him and he said he would have definitely taken Becky or Sundra over Yul. Ozzy was TOTALLY SCREWED by a F3. He would have (likely) made it to F2 and he would have had the choice of whom to bring. He would have brought a girl and won hands down over her...
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Lori
Member
04-18-2003
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 7:35 am
I also have to agree with Csnog. They're just men. None of them were very good looking. Some had hot bodies but once you add their faces to the mix it pretty much killed it. Really? Wow! I thought Adam, Yul and Ozzie were way above average in looks!
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Texasdeb
Member
05-23-2003
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 7:57 am
Ozzy, Adam, & Nate were good looking to me. I didn't think Yul was attractive at all in the face.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 8:01 am
I thought Ozzy looked very bad at the reunion/finale. Bloated or something and bad hair.
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Mamapors
Member
07-29-2004
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 8:06 am
That's it Julie. I knew something didn't look right with Ozzy, but could not put my finger on it. His face was bloated!!!! I wonder why?
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 8:28 am
I agree, Ozzie looked bloated att he reunion...I much prefered his look after 39 days on the island And I do think Yul was attractive in his own way while on the island, but I thought he looked bloated as well at the finale... It is funny though because neither of them are overweight at all, but I guess you just get used to seeing them in a certain way and it is hard to see them after they have been eating a bit 
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Chy
Member
07-19-2003
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 9:13 am
Took this from SS. That poster took it from somewhere as well, so I assume it's okay. If this has to be deleted, I understand. I don't even have the time to finish reading. But the part how Yul ended up flipping John was very interesting. There was a lot more "work" on Yul's part then what we were shown. *********************** Yul Kwon’s Survivor Strategy Posted by Susan on December 18th, 2006 San Mateo’s Yul Kwon is, without a doubt, the ultimate “Survivor'’ strategist. And he has a great sense of humor. When talking to him this morning, the day after he beat out surfer Ozzy, AKA Monkey boy, for the million, he talked about his parents’ reaction to him going on the show. His parents, who immigrated to the United States from South Korea, were unclear on the “Survivor'’ premise. “My father thought that they put 20 people on a deserted island and the one left alive got the million,'’ Kwon says. “My parents were actually hoping I’d go on `The Bachelor.’ But at this point, they would like me to show up on the doorstep with a wife and baby.'’ So just how did he manipulate himself into winning the million bucks? We’ll let Yul speak for himself. Kwon says he watched the first season of “Survivor'’ and then rarely watched after that. When he was recruited by the producers to go on the show - they knew about him from his work on Steve Westly’s California campaign - he said he quickly crammed by renting out several seasons of “Survivor.'’ Even though he had a plan, and a knack for calculating statistically feasible outcomes, he just hoped that he wouldn’t be the first one ejected from the game. His first break came when he found the hidden immunity idol on Exile Island. “The immunity idol is a gun with one bullet. If I used it that way, it wasn’t really useful. The power is in the potential to use it,'’ Yul says. “When I found the idol, I wanted to save it to change the flow of the game.'’ And so he did. Two other dramatic events could have taken Yul out of the game. The first event was when team members Candice and Jonathan decided to switch to the other team _ which left their tribe at a disadvantage with only four members in the tribe. It could have meant that they could have been quickly picked off during a tribe merge. They only way they could stay alive in the short term was to win challenges. Yul embraced Ozzy as the Challenge Master. “Ozzy was the best hedge to deflect attention away from me. I had been targeted to get out, but he was my insurance,'’ Yul says. Yul says the four bonded into a group and that he worked to keep them together by making them all feel as if they were part of the decision making process. “We never felt threatened by each other, we trusted each other that we would all get to the final four together,'’ Yul says. After the merge, they needed to flip someone in the dominant Raro tribe. Which brought up the one time when Yul believed there might be a tear in the bond of the four. “Jonathan was rational enough to understand that it was in his own self-interest to flip, so he was the obvious choice,'’ Yul says. “But Ozzy wanted to turn Nate, and I didn’t understand why Nate, who had a strong alliance, would want to go to our side. His already secure for a No. 5 spot in his own tribe. Why flip for the same position in our tribe? “So I asked Ozzy how he could convince Nate, and he started talking about how he would appeal to him as being an outsider in the (predominately white) tribe, just like Ozzy felt like an outsider in our tribe. As soon as he said it, it was like a bird flew in his mouth and he just trailed off. I realized that he was going to screw us and try for an alliance with Nate against us.'’ So Yul went to convince Jonathan that it was in his best interest to flip and at least be guaranteed a No. 5 position. He told Jonathan that he had the immunity idol and if it came down to a vote, Jonathan would be voted out because Yul would use the idol to save himself. Yul then convinced Jonathan that the reason why Jonathan hadn’t been voted out yet was because his tribe members thought Jonathan had the immunity idol. And if Jonathan told them that Yul had the idol, then they would vote Jonathan out. “As long as he believed the story about his tribe only keeping him in because they thought he had the idol, I knew we could flip him,'’ Yul says. “But in addition to the rational arguments, there was an emotional reason for Jonathan to flip.'’ Yul had been present at a discussion about body hair between members of the Raro tribe. The discussion turned mean-spirited against Jonathan’s wife. “I was chopping coconuts and thought `You guys are being really rude and you’re digging your own grave.’ Jonathan was furious with them and didn’t want any of them making it to the final four,'’ Yul says. “So I told Ozzy that the only way Jonathan would flip would be if we voted Nate out, because he had made fun of Jonathan’s wife.'’ In fact, Jonathan didn’t care which one was voted out. Yul just wanted to take away Ozzy’s alternative to sticking with the four. The other threat to the four was when Becky wanted to vote Ozzy out because she saw him as a threat. Yul says he listened to her and Sundra, but would never let that happen. “Once you voted out one of the four, the trust was gone,'’ Yul says. Becky and Yul became close friends during their time on the island, but it was only a friendship. Yul says that when the Candice/Jonathan mutiny happened, he offered the immunity idol to Becky if she ever needed it. “It was silly for me to use it for myself and go into the merge alone just to get eliminated. She could have used it and flown under the radar for a while,'’ Yul says. “When we got to the end, it was a brief conversation about the idol and Becky decided that wasn’t the way she wanted to play the game.'’ Instead, under the new rules, Yul caught another break. Three would go before the tribal council instead of two. So Yul, with the immunity idol, was safe and so was Ozzy after winning the challenge. The decision was made to let Sundra and Becky battle it out in a tie-breaker after Ozzy voted Becky out and Yul voted Sundra out. And then there was that awful fire-building challenge. Yul says to be fair, it was terribly windy and that probably hurt the two when trying to start fires. But he also says that when Sundra ran out of wood, Becky offered some of her wood to Sundra. When Sundra ran out of matches, she cheered Becky on. “Jeff couldn’t believe it,'’ Yul says. In the end, Yul believed it would come down to him and Ozzy. “I thought about, if I was close, that I would throw the immunity challenge, that way I wouldn’t have to choose between Ozzy and either Becky or Sundra because no matter who I chose, the other would feel burned,'’ Yul says. “I thought Ozzy would probably chose me because he has a real sense of fairness and I told him that if he went against Becky or Sundra, then the jury would see them all as being the same kind of players. More people on the jury hated me and since he had decimated them on the challenges, they could hold him accountable for them not making it to the finals and vote for Becky or Sundra. “I didn’t think I would win in a landslide against Ozzy, but I thought I had a good shot.'’ The closing arguments before the jury played into Yul’s strength as a trail attorney. But even he didn’t see it coming when Ozzy claimed that he wanted the money to go to college. Turns out that Ozzy had told everyone he would use his winnings to build a sort of surfer commune for his pals where they could live free. “I went to the confessional booth after that and said he would win a million dollars over my dead body. What a waste.'’ Yul won by just one vote, a vote that he had guaranteed when he engineered Jonathan’s ejection. “Adam told me that he would promise to vote for me in the final if Jonathan went before he did,'’ Yul says. “I knew Adam would keep his word.'’ So, boys and girls, that’s how you win a million bucks on “Survivor.'’ Filed under General, Celebrities, Bay Area, Hot Shows, CBS. You can follow any comments on this post through the RSS feed. You can leave a comment, or trackback from your own site. http://www.ibabuzz.com/unscripted/2006/12/18/yul-kwons-survivor-strategy/
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 9:16 am
OMG, that is so weird. I was coming here to say how I thought Ozzy looked so much more handsome at the reunion. I love him clean shaven, and that new hair-do looks wonderful on him. I was sitting there during the reunion trying to figure out who he reminded me of with his new look, and it's David Krumholtz (CHarlie Eppes on Numb3rs). His look on the island or his pre-Survivor look were not appealing to me...but during the reunion, I couldn't stop looking at him
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 9:34 am
Yul helped his original team win immunity - he's very athletic. You can't discount his strategizing. HII a crutch? He *earned* it and this year it was used very appropriately. Nice to see it come into play in a unique manner. Was there this much bitching and moaning when Richard won (based on strategy) - talk about being "smug" - ugh! Let's look at the history - it seems that it is always brains or other assets over braun. Brian (that was a puppetmaster), Jenna (sure, take off your bikini and win a $1 million - but she won b/c of social interactions, purely), Sonya (least offensive person? never won a single challenge, did she). The list could go on and on. Challenges are such a small portion of the 39 days. The majority of time is really spent in boring conversations around the campfire or huddled in the shelter. That is how this game is really won. And why I'd be voted off in a heartbeat (I'm not good a playing the social game). 'squeek' P.S. I'd have been happy with either guy, but I'm not upset at the outcome - I was pulling for Yul for quite a while.
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Wink
Member
10-06-2000
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 10:11 am
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Wink
Member
10-06-2000
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 10:12 am
We thought Ozzy looked like Joey Lawrence in his teen heart throb days. Joey

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Lori
Member
04-18-2003
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 10:17 am
Wink...OMG you are so right! LOL...would have loved to have been a fly on a tree when the conversation dissing Jonathan's wife was going on. I can't even imagine how pissed he was. No wonder he flipped so easily.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 10:42 am
“My father thought that they put 20 people on a deserted island and the one left alive got the million,'’ Kwon says. “My parents were actually hoping I’d go on `The Bachelor.’ But at this point, they would like me to show up on the doorstep with a wife and baby.'’ Alive! I'm shocked! That was funny! Thanks for posting the article Chy. Very interesting.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 11:44 am
"When he was recruited by the producers to go on the show..." Seriously, do they NOT get enough people VOLUNTEERING to go on this show? Seriously, is it really necessary to continually recruit the "types" they want? Why not let an entire reality show consist of REAL people who really applied for the danged thing? Sorry. Soapbox. Just irks me no end.
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