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Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 11:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    

quote:

Do you think ethnic groups would have automatically "aligned" in those situations as the secret alliances? If so, how is this different?




It's different when it's the choice to align based on racial lines. Not when it's already decided that you're going to be split along racial lines.

I have very mixed feelings on this but I will watch and see how it goes. If nothing else I'm glad that this time 3/4s of them are minorities as opposed to the usual 2 tokens.

Mike
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07-15-2006

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 11:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mike a private message Print Post    
Teachmichigan asked:
"What if they had just had the same contestants, but divided them into 3 teams randomly? Do you think ethnic groups would have automatically "aligned" in those situations as the secret alliances? If so, how is this different?"

Well, Dr Stan Katz, (psychologist for 'Starting Over') said in group one day that people align with people they have the most in common with which may not be at all along ethnic lines, even though he said ethnically is how many people would think people would align with one another. So for example, one of the African-American women in the Starting Over house could have much more in common with one of the caucasian women than the other African-American woman because of their life experiences and issues. For example, if they both have body image issues or were in the Starting Over house for similar reasons and had similar goals they become buddies and/or best of friends.

Particularly in work situation, I have found that I've had the most in common with African-American women (and I'm caucasian) and enjoy their company the most based on our life experiences.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Interesting. Let's look at this. On other reality shows when more than one minority is in the same group do they align together? I think more often than not they do.

Schoolmarm
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02-18-2001

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Schoolmarm a private message Print Post    
And when I taught school, the kids would always segregate themselves at lunch and recess (bad choice of words, but I don't know what else to call it) by race, class or who was their neighbor or who they went to church with or who they were in sports or music or whatever with.

I'm glad to see so many people of color cast this season. Certainly not tokens. I am hoping for four strong teams!

Do you think that this will be the season where there isn't a "pretty" or "Spoiled brat" team that doesn't work and only gets far because of their alliance?

Dipo
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04-23-2002

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 3:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dipo a private message Print Post    
I am really looking forward to this show. Although I thought it was sort of weird to divide the teams by ethnicity, I am thrilled to death that there is a very diverse cast for a change.!!

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 5:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
They could have done exactly the same thing in a much less offensive and incendiary way. Get teams from different continents. Llke the Olympics. The only requirement would be 100% fluency in English. Bingo, you have exactly the same 'picture' on the screen, but not being divisive within one country!

And its only going to be offensive if the attitudes of the players are racially based. We don't know how they grew up or how comfortable they are within their own group. They could be in mixed relationships, or have people from other groups in their families. It may not be as cut and dried as it first appears. Also some people are not comfortable in their own skin, or within their own culture, so this may be a factor with some of them. Some may be happier within their 'own' group, while some may downright resent it. And some people may seem outwardly to belong to one group, but perhaps on a religeous level belong more strongly to another group. To me its about who they are individually, and how they experience this shakeup. Can't wait to fasten my seatbelt, cuz its going to be a bumpy ride.

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 6:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
I think this will work out fine.
I just saw an announcement of the new season with a comment from an African American woman (a contestant?) and she liked the teams because it gave people a chance to "represent".
And I am thinking that if these 20 people were put into one large group and told to divide themselves into teams they were comfortable with, many of them would divine themselves ethnically.
And didn't they all have an opportunity to quit the game if they had huge issues?
Let's just wait and see. I think it will be fun.
The one group I don't want to see represented are skinny women with boob implants who do NOTHING except except work on their tans and braid each others' hair. And still win.
By the way, I am a straight, caucasian woman, my best friend is a gay Asian man. We represent six groups, men, women, gays, straights, caucasians, asians. LOL

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 6:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ketchuplover a private message Print Post    
impressive most impressive :-)

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 8:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
The one group I don't want to see represented are skinny women with boob implants who do NOTHING except except work on their tans and braid each others' hair. And still win.

LOL -- AMEN!!! Of course, an entire tribe like that would never have fire, would never eat, and thus would never win...but imagine the whining that would go on in the meantime! AAUUUGGGHHHHH!!!

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 9:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
I really want to see how each tribe is portrayed and edited before I make any judgements.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 8:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
I feel very mixed about this one. I'm going to agree with Nick. I'll wait to see the show.

Jan
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08-01-2000

Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 9:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jan a private message Print Post    
I feel really iffy but I too will wait and see. I notice that they seem to have picked their candidates really carefully - lots of education and professionals and athletic types on all teams.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 9:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Well so far just by going thru the bios it looks like we've got an interesting group even though most are in or from Cali.

Jan
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08-01-2000

Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 10:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jan a private message Print Post    
yes, I did a comparison and from a toughing it out category:

there are 2 former military - an AA female from Desert Storm and an Asian Former officer trainer;
a latino cop who sounds like a hero;
a white female who lived 10 weeks in a dugout in Africa

there are three excellent swimmers (two from the latino tribe, one from the white);

as well there are a few attorneys spread around, a few boxers , a couple of consultants and lots of actor/musician/designer types all spread throughout the tribes.

there are at least two BRILLIANT minds (and maybe even more from the sounds of it) - a latino and a white - both female

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 10:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I don't really like the idea of a racially segregated Survivor for two reasons. First, it keeps the "comparison" of races alive and in the popular culture. Second, it looks like in order to GET more people of different races on Survivor, it takes the SCHTICK of a race oriented Survivor. This show will just enhance racial differences, rather than help us look past them.

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 1:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
Eeyore said, "This show will just enhance racial differences, rather than help us look past them."

Or maybe it will show us that we are not so different after all.

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 5:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
That's what I'm hoping, Catfat... but I'm still worried. Having said that, y'all might want to take a gander at my blog yesterday... at http://celebrichat.com/Blog.htm
I wrote a bit of a rant about it... a little blog, a little rant, a little seltzer in your pants. (okay, enough levity...)

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 5:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Just the act alone of DIVIDING people, to me, magnifies people's differences. It also condones the "sorting" of people based on heritage or physical traits.

I find that disappointing.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 6:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
It is disappointing. It's also disappointing that Mark Burnett condones and seems to feel that in order to be diverse, you have to be divisive. Why couldn't he have that many minorities without splitting them by race? That is my question.

Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 7:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spygirl a private message Print Post    
I got my Entertainment Weekly today and it had a very interesting article in it about the new season.

I love how the article opens....

It is day one of what could end up being the biggest mistake of Mark Burnett's career, but the Survivor executive producer is downright giddy.



Jeff Probst on the casting process:
<snip> "We decided, L'ets try to have the most ethnically diverse cast in the history of TV."

To achieve that, producers had to not only think outside the box but look outside the box as well. Because the number of minority applicants to Survivor is so small, the casting department went into heavy recruitment mode, searching everywhere from sporting events (where they found contestant Nate) to websites like MySpace (Becky) and even Realtor.com (Jenny).


Finally, this information and quote from Burnett himself:

...But assembling a diverse cast is one thing; pitting them against each other is another altogether. "To the less-than-open-minded person, it is very easy to trash us...But we're smart enough to not make it negative," says Burnett. "We're smart enough to have gotten rid of every racist person in casting." <snip>


Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 7:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spygirl a private message Print Post    
One more quote from Probst in the closing paragraph of the article:

<snip> For Probst, the new twist has the added benefit of giving the show a freshness it hasn't had since season 1. "It's not just 18 white people," he says. "Suddenly you have new slant, new rituals, people doing things like making fire in ways that haven't been done before on Survivor. I think we have a season where people will say you can never go back to what you were before." What remains to be seen is whether that is a good thing.


Mocha
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08-12-2001

Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 8:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Oh joy they made sure to get rid of all the racists. Pfttttt.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 8:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
that still doesn't answer why they couldn't recruit all these minorities in the past or why they felt they had to 'pit them against each other'. and wanting to know the answers to that does not make me a 'less-than-open-minded person'.

Adven
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02-06-2001

Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Adven a private message Print Post    
I think it's largely a publicity stunt and they'll do some kind of merge relatively quickly before anything too racially provocative can happen. With MB, though, that may be what he's hoping for.

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ketchuplover a private message Print Post    
The only color Burny cares about is green.