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Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
Nate needs to get over things and take a lesson from JP about getting voted out. As Johnathan said, everyone is playing the game, planning, scheming, lying, etc.

It's part of the game and eventually just about everyone turns on someone. Nate would be doing it right now if he were in the game--he'd have to in order to still be there.

The only way to avoid it is to have what happened in Africa--be in a 3 or 4 person alliance and have that alliance win everything along the way.

Survivoraddict
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09-02-2005

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 10:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Survivoraddict a private message Print Post    
I am so glad Jonathan got voted off. I found him loud and annoying. I'm still puzzled as to why no one has registered that YUL HAS THE IMMUNITY!!! Why on earth have they not forced him to use it for heaven's sake!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Without having read all the comments since last night...

I just watched this show, and I'm on the fence whether they made a stoopid move when they voted Jonathan off the island.

Adam is physically strong, and has already won individual immunity once. Jonathan has never excelled at any challenges (although I do think sometimes he faked it to look less of a threat). If they'd kept Jonathan, they could've kept him around till they got rid of Adam and Parvati.

Both Adam and Parvati could conceivably win the immunity challenges. Which means that Aitu will have to start eating their own. If they'd kept Jonathan (ousted him third), they would've had a sacrificial survivor to evict should either Adam or Parvati won either of the next two immunity challenges.

As it stands now, if either one wins the necklace, the Aitu folks can vote out the other one. But what happens when that other one wins immunity? They'll have to vote off one of their own, thereby ruining the "we'll be in the Final Four" plan.

As annoying as I felt Jonathan was, and that was obvious when he came back to camp and tension appeared again, I would've kept him till I got rid of all the rest of the Raro folks. He couldn't jump ship, since he would've still been in a minority. At this point, there is no way he would've ever been in F4 unless he won immunity himself, so all he could do would be to manage to hang on. But he would've stayed loyal, at least to the point of getting rid of Adam and Parvati.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 11:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
FWIW, I'm not sure the jury members are allowed to spend a lot of time together. I think they are sequestered and any contact is monitored, yes? (Or am I confusing Survivor with Big Brother?)

That said, I do think the reactions of the jury members have been a bit immature. The eye-rolling, smirking, and ohgawd the googly-eyeing between Candace and Adam (eeewww!) are a wee bit much.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
I find Adam's open mouth grin highly annoying for some reason....I'm not real sure why, but everytime he grins with his maw agape, I just cringe...

...eh...

Thought his Dad is a sweetie tho...he just made me smile...

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 11:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
I can't stand Adam. That being said, I hope he wins. Aitu sure dropped the ball last night.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 12:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I think Adam is hot.

Scout
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01-20-2005

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 12:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scout a private message Print Post    
I love to watch Ozzy in the swimming competitions - I think he's got the most beautiful, natural dive.

I think it was a definite mistake to vote off Jonathon. In some ways, Yul is too nice of a guy. He's played the power position pretty well until last night, but I think he let personal feelings get in the way. Jonathon was a lone wolf. He should have broken up the last bit of alliance opposition he had with Parvati and Adam.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Every season has a defining moment which changes the game completely. Last night's vote for Jonathan was the game-changing moment for the Aitu 4 should either Adam or Pavarti win II in the next two challenges.


Allietex
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08-16-2002

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 1:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
The reason they voted Jon off is what gets me. It was not a stategic move. It was because they all disliked him and did not want him to have a chance to win. They made this plain.

I see this every season at some point. People vote off someone they intensely dislike and it comes back to hurt them. Just like Aitu earlier in the season when they tanked a challenge so they could vote off one of their own. Then they lost several challenges and when Candice and Jon defected it almost cost them the game.

I just do not understand this. You can't spend a few more days with a guy you don't like for a chance at a million bucks?

I also think Yul did not trust him and was afraid he might jump back to Parvati and Adam if he did not get rid of him. And who knows, he might just have done so. Yul was also influenced by Adam and Parvati's threat to vote against him in the finals if he did not get rid of Jon.

But by voting him off, they open the door for Parvati and Adam to work on someone flipping.There are only six left. It only takes one to flip to have a possible tie. If they could get Ozzy to flip, they might be able to vote out Becky or Sondra. That would take it down to 3-2. The next vote they could vote out the other girl and after that the imunity idol is useless.

If they can get someone to flip, and are successful in forcing the tie and winning the tiebreaker, they do not even have to worry about the idol. They just ignore Yul and take their chances in the final challenges.

Of the possible ones to flip I see Ozzy or Sondra. I think Becky still sees herself as Yul's partner and thinks she is safe. She won't take a chance to flip moving from second in the order to third with Parvati and Adam.

Sondra is the one who really should consider it. She is a definite fourth in Aitu, and would move to a third with the others. But I am not sure she realizes this. She probably still thinks it is her, Yul, and Becky. But I don't think Yul sees it that way anymore. And even if he does, Sondra is vunerable against Ozzy because of the challenges. He is just so good at them. But I am not sure Sondra is brave enough or smart enough to make such a move. And it would be risky.

Ozzy might consider it, but it would put him in a vunerable position. It would not improve his standing, he would still be a third, and Yul would be really angry and he definitely controls the power right now. I see Ozzy probably staying put and relying on his ability to win challenges to keep him in the game.

And it would be a big risk to flip and have it thrown into a tie because no one knows for sure how they are going to settle it. A competetion can be risky, and if your side fails, you become the target the next week for flipping.

As far as trying to force Yul to use the II. Just how do they do that? To do it someone else is going to be sacrificed. His team does not want to do it because it gives them some protection and the other side just does not have the numbers. No one is going to volunteer to sacrifice themselves. They will take their chances voting for someone else and hoping they are not the one to go.

The whole thing now depends on the challenges and who can win the next few. If as some are saying there will be a final three instead of a final four, the immunity idol may not be in play but one more vote.

Pdxmom
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08-08-2006

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 2:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pdxmom a private message Print Post    
I don't think Sundra would ever flip. I think she'd stick with the alliance over and above everything. She would be loyal to the end, even if it kept her from winning. That just seems to me to be the kind of person she is.

And I also think Ozzy is the odd man out in that group of 4. Yul has seen Ozzy as a threat for quite a while, and he is the one that Yul would be least loyal to, IMO.

Twinkie
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09-24-2002

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 2:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twinkie a private message Print Post    
I think Ozzy is putting a huge target on his back and that's a shame because I want to watch him til the end! Geez, the guy moves like a gazelle and real easy on the eyes.

Foolscap
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09-04-2004

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 2:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Foolscap a private message Print Post    
Although I was pretty much indifferent to Jonathan through most of the game, I grew to like him and find the mob mentality that seemed to vilify him pretty distasteful. Even a little hard to understand.

Of course I wasn't there and perhaps he was annoying, but they seemed to treat him like the spawn of satan. His two major flips seemed pretty understandable to me. The first one was because he believed he was closest to Candace (he even hesitated on that one breifly), and why not forsake Raro for Aitu, Raro was already showing their dislike for him. After that he seemed more reasonable than most, and just did what anyone would to try and win.

Although I've been pretty much thinking either Yul or Ossy deserved to win (still do), the last few weeks, pointless as it is now, I found myself rooting a bit for Jonathan.

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 3:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
Something about his voice was bothering me...I don't know.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 4:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Alan Alda, but not Alan Alda?

I still find Parvati immature.. her epiphany could have been words from her father, but regardless she still sounds awfully whiney and bratty in camp.

Cinnamongirl
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01-10-2001

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 5:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cinnamongirl a private message Print Post    
I agree 100% with you Foolscap :-)

Scout
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01-20-2005

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 5:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scout a private message Print Post    
Seamonkey - he sounds exactly like Alan Alda. If you're just listening and not watching him, even more so because he doesn't have any of Alda's mannerisms.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 5:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Did anyone else notice how cocky Yul sounded at the tribal council? When he said he controlled the game right now? I was just thinking that might come back and bite him in the behind. And I was thinking that if he does get Aitu to F4, if he's in F2 or F3, he may not get the votes. Cause everyone else will think he controlled the puppet strings, so to speak. (Not to mention the threats he's already received.)

Trini
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07-06-2004

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 6:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trini a private message Print Post    
If Yul is forced to use the idol the group will have to be sure that the second name they vote is one they want sent home as well; e.g. Yul and Becky be sure to vote those two together. If Yul uses the idol on himself or Becky then the other will be sent packing. [Yul & Becky are in charge of the pecking order.]
I hope that idea comes to mind soon, before they vote Ozzy out.

Trini
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07-06-2004

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 6:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trini a private message Print Post    
I am just finished looking at the episode again. Jonathan should have tried to take Ozzy and flip to the other side. Adam convinced Yul to get rid of J and keep himself and P, Jonathan did save Yul and company by a flip he made. Yul and Becky are planning to get rid of Ozzynext.
Does Ozzy feel safe and is he? He gives the impression for next week he may flip, and said he will anything to stay in the game.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 6:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
FWIW, I'm not sure the jury members are allowed to spend a lot of time together.

Costa, from what I've read in the past, they are together, but they are told that they can't discuss the game among themselves.

I've seen how they 'don't' discuss their vote on Big Brother, ~rolls eyes~ even when they know the cameras are still on them, so I don't have much faith in the reality show honor system, especially when they aren't even being strictly monitored.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 8:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Just watching Jonathan on the Early show that I recorded and he says he would have done anything to stay or win if he stayed, including flipping again.. said " I would have done it (flip flop) again and honestly I think I was voted out because the Aitu Four realized that, if I stayed in the game, I would have tried to do anything possible to keep moving forward, and they saw me as a threat. Maybe a distraction, maybe an annoyance, I don't know, but (and then Renee Syler interrupts him to say only his wife liked him and talk about the reward challenge loss and two nights on Exile Island.) Then we see Secret Scene of Jonathan on EI saying Yeah, I have a target on my back; I got sent to Exile Island. Says he'd like to win immunity but if his alliance is strong, immunity shouldn't be necessary. Then they talk about the big shift while he was gone.. Parvati and Adam hit me with "stinky stick". Says it was specious that Adam said he was the only person who shouldn't be there.


Says he was loyal to Candice and they knew Becky and Yul were an "unbreakable twosome". Candice and Jonathan believed that Adam had the Idol.

Had no intention of mutinying but Candice stepped off and he "knew" that Adam had the idol (so they "knew" back when they were still on Aitu)

He saw the numbers shifting and wanted to have fun, be with Candice.

Says Yul told everyone they were in Final Four, or Final Two.. says we'll see if he gets to F2.

Most fun part of game was being able to stay around so long after the mutiny.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 9:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
I find Adam's open mouth grin highly annoying for some reason....I'm not real sure why, but everytime he grins with his maw agape, I just cringe...

...eh...

Thought his Dad is a sweetie tho...he just made me smile...


That's really funny. I thought Adam and his dad had the exact same grin and looked so much alike.

#1 Rule for survival in Survivor is to never, ever mutiny. If I were on Survivor and someone mutinied I would be very suspicious of them from then on. I think you lose whatever trust you had when you do that. Jonathon deserved to be voted off for that and especially for being so arrogant and annoying.

I think Yul is getting more arrogant each episode now. They told him he was in control and he's buying into it all and it's going to his head.

Lancecrossfire
Animoderator

07-13-2000

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 9:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lancecrossfire a private message Print Post    
I think Jonathan did the best with what he had to work with.

He played the game hard, as did everyone else--they just blamed him and him only for doing that. It basically came down to young players not liking an older person in with them.

He stayed focused on the game, never called anyone a cancer either. Noe did he ever have a sense of entitlement. He felt he had to work to be in the game.

Seamonkey
Moderator

09-07-2000

Friday, December 08, 2006 - 11:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I agree, Lance, plus he isn't all bitter in his interview.. he's downright mature.