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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 11:19 am
Seamonkey, I think Rebecca meant that she would be co-hosting "The View" on Monday with "her girl" Elisabeth. She works as a makeup artist on that show.
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Trini
Member
07-06-2004
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 11:36 am
Shouldn't we take it for granted that all evictees are jury members also, why some and not all from here on. Guess we could do the math figure out weeks left and count the jury..LOL I am to lazy..
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 11:48 am
Trini - with Brad on the jury and 2 finalists, that would make TEN jury members, so people are beginning to wonder what is up the producers' sleeves.
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Nerovh
Member
06-11-2005
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 12:32 pm
So, if all of them are on the jury, that makes 3 jury members that are highly pissed at the 4 Raro's. Hehe. If Candace makes it to final 2, I bet she will never win it. Aitu doesn't like/respect her, and neither will the 3 people that she helped oust from Raro. I just don't think jumping ship was smart at all. I don't like Candace because I hate it that she basically gave up her game to be close to her cuddle-buddy. I like, or at least can respect, people who play the game, not go looking for a love connection. If I want to see that, I'll go find Chuck Woolery.
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Snee
Member
06-26-2001
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 3:23 pm
still here and bugged by adam and by candace. (not bugged by jenny anymore for obvious reasons!) i simply don't like adam's personality and haven't since the beginning. i find him obnoxious. i used to be neutral about candace, but i didn't like the 'schmooping' (thanks eey!) to adam at tribal when they were on different tribes and i get a sense of entitlement from her (rightly or wrongly) that rubs me wrong. so, yeah it's not because i love aitu--which i do--because nate doesn't bother me and neither does jonathan really. i liked rebecca.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 6:30 pm
Bugged by Adam and Candace as well. But, I love everytime Aitu goes into a challenge and they are standing on their mat at attention with hands clasped behind their back. They just look ready and focused for whatever happens.
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 6:51 pm
What was it that Jonathon said to his tribe at the previews, something about if you kids can't get off your lazy butts and do something, you dont deserve to win. Did anyone get that?
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Trueheart
Member
09-12-2006
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 6:57 pm
Oh, and I just wanted to say that I think Sundra is absolutely beautiful! I completely agree! I love the way her hair is braided and it always looks PERFECT! I would be afraid to let millions of viewers see me without being "all done up"! I understand it. They have NO deodorant, NO toothpaste, NO soap, NO fresh water to bathe..... I now realize that I am the only person who doesn't think about that! I discussed this with my sister and coworkers and that is ALL that they would bring up! I guess in the back of my mind I know that it may be gross, but I usually enjoy the reality show romances (is that better than fl**tmance....it feels like I'm saying a swear word when I type that here!) I generally think it is cute and fun to watch romantic themes come out in these shows. Actually, in most cases the two people seem to genuinely like eachother, even moreso than shows based on romance (like the Bachelor). I don't think she needs a "big strong man." She has shown herself to be equal to most of the men in the challenges. I agree. p.s. Thanks to all of you for explaining your thoughts on why Candice might be disliked. I really could not understand it! And now, although I do not agree, I understand why she might be targeted/punished by her previous tribe more than Jonathan.
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 7:02 pm
Count me in as a huge fan of Aitu. Didn't like Ozzy's move to get Billy out early, but he is clearly the strongest challenge player out there. When they merge, he will be Raro's biggest target. Nate needs to wise up, and flip to Aitu-alliance as soon as the merge happens. I do like Ozzy much better now than when he ousted Billy. Yul, Becky, and Sundra are awesome as well. On Raro, Jonathan has grown on me since he foolishly followed Candice in mutiny. I like Nate's personality, but he's very naive...probably not a good poker player. I've liked Parvati all season, and that hasn't changed. Candice, by herself, I could really like. Adam, by himself, I don't really like. The two of them together need to go soon. Odds: Ozzy 4-1 Yul 6-1 Parvati 10-1 Nate 12-1 Becky 15-1 Adam 15-1 Sundra 18-1 Jonathan 30-1 Candice 50-1
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Trueheart
Member
09-12-2006
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 7:11 pm
Oh...and about the "underdog" name. I understand that as far as numbers go, they are weaker and if they were to merge they might be picked off. But I don't look at it like that. It's not the merge yet. So you look at the teams the way they are now. Performance-wise the Aitu players are and have been more supreme. The tribe before C/J left won MANY of the challenges. They have consistantly outperformed the Raro tribe. So IMO Raro + C/J does not make that great of a tribe. And Aitu as Y/S/B/O is still awesome. So if this happens to make any sense....LOL....I have always seen the Aitu tribe as better performers....thus NOT the "underdogs". The number of people in their tribe never seemed an issue to me because Aitu is so much more focused and efficient I did not expect them to lose. I hope these words don't offend people, perhaps previous posts of mine were perceived as more "abrasive" than I had expected. I am only sharing why I never considered Aitu as underdogs. 
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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 7:50 pm
Trueheart, I never thought of them as underdogs either. With Ozzy's physical strength, Yul and Becky's brains, and Sundra's enormous heart, they've definitely got the better team, and way better chemistry as a foursome than Raro has ever even almost had.
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Starshine40
Member
07-30-2002
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 7:56 pm
As of the start of last night's tribal council Brad was the only jury member. After Jenny's eviction Jeff said she was the 3rd jury member so Rebecca and Jenny are both on the jury. So I think they will probably end it with a final 3 this time with a jury of 9.
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Trueheart
Member
09-12-2006
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 9:25 pm
Trueheart, I never thought of them as underdogs either. Thanks Lycanthrope! I was beginning to believe that I was crazy with my thinking! It just seemed different than everyone else's! Perhaps I'm not such an oddball after all?

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Lycanthrope
Member
09-19-2002
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 10:03 pm
Trueheart, we're both oddballs. From the moment that Candice and Jonathan mutinied, Aitu was stronger than Raro. Anyone who was watching the show should've realized it. Jeff saying they were underdogs was playing to an audience. He knew they were stronger...anyone who's watching the show knew they were stronger. What their defection did for Yul, Becky, and Sundra was give them the single strongest player(Ozzy) in this season and his undying loyalty. Brilliant move.
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 10:26 pm
Well, I was watching the show and I didn't see it that way. I'm not swayed by Probst, either. I think of them as underdogs for the reason Seamonkey pointed out, especially when they were 4 to 8. The Raros only had to do every other challenge while the Aitus had to do every challenge. That's got to be tiring. Going into the merge with fewer numbers is also a huge reason to call them underdogs. LOL at Nickovtyme's "Adamandice" comment. I was thinking "Candam." I think they bug me because all reality showmances bug me. They're supposed to be playing for a million dollars, but give that up for a shot at an on-camera romance. Then after the show they realize they made fools of themselves, lost the money, and their dreams of starring in romantic films aren't going to be realized. Amber was the only one to make this work, and I blame that on the foolishness of her opponents who fell for the Robfather nonsense. Candice is good at the athletic stuff, but for her to jump ship to be with Adam tells me she's not confident about the social part of this game (which is the most important part). Women like Amber and Candice hook up with an alpha male for the social factor. When Amber was in danger of being booted, she successfully played the "my boyfriend will take care of you" card. All the athleticism in the world isn't as powerful as the power of persuasion (or intimidation). Notice how on her first day with the tribe Candice was kissing Adam's butt right in front of the rest of the players, like she was desperate for them to see her allegiance to Adam. I don't love Aitu, but I do respect them for besting Raro so many times. There's really nobody left in this game for me to root for. Sundra has left no impresson on me, Ozzy bugged me from the start, and I can't warm up to Becky. Maybe I can get behind a Yul win. As for the Raros, there's nobody on that tribe that hasn't turned me off for one reason or another, including the two who just left. I'm mainly watching now just to see how many more foolish moves Nate and the Raros can make.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 10:37 pm
I realize now how SMART Ozzy's dumping of Billy early on was! In addition to eating a lot - which then was available to the rest of the hard-working tribe members, he would have had to participate in every other challenge as he couldn't sit out but every other one. Just how well would Aitu have done with him participating instead of one of the strong agile bodies? I wouldn't be surprised if that dumping of the "dead weight" didn't truly affect the way the game has gone in terms of challenges - just MHO, of course, but something to think about!
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Friday, November 17, 2006 - 10:59 pm
I believe a WHOLE BUNCH of you are right! With all of Jonathan's relentless manipulations, he surely might have somehow managed to scare people to vote as he wanted and eliminated Ozzie - because Ozzie (to Jonathan especially) is a threat in terms of producing food and in the challenges. NOW, Aitu has been cemented together, knowing that they can't afford to relax and they need to win it all. Most likely Candice and Jonathan did Aitu the biggest favor of all, even though it seemed so bad to me at the time! Bonded their team, fewer apparent racial divides, just one STRONG, mutually supporting tribe. Less work reqd to supply food/water for a smaller team, Aitu can more focus on the tree-mail clues and strategizing. - - - BTW, I felt at the time and still believe that Ozzie was smart, using survivor skills he's already acquired in life, to recognize and then unload Billy by losing/slowly working that challenge! Billy was producing VERY little, unable to give anything in team challenges (esp when they never knew what new challenge might come up. AFTER Billy had sat out a 'previously', he might be unable to sit out whatever new challenge and keep them from winning). Billy was a fearsome liability who was using up food & water, while unable to shore up their team in any possible direction, physical or mental. How would Billy have supplied much support in, say, this last swim to a pontoon adventure? He would have been wallowing like a beached whale in the 3-ft deep zone, IMO. Bisc
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Curlyq
Member
07-10-2002
| Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 12:03 am
But wouldn't you have to agree that the only reason Ozzy is safe for now is that the producers added this mutiny twist? Billy may not have been the best athlete, but he was a vote. Because of Ozzy's move against Billy (which I still believe was bone-headed at best), it was that much easier for the original Aitus to be immediately picked off in both tribes. Plus there's the chance that it made Ozzy look like a backstabber to the other players, which could be why they didn't include him in their alliances. Ozzy would've been next to go and had no allies left to help him, but the mutiny saved his neck. As it is, after the merge he will be the biggest target. Yul may have to give him the immunity idol if he wants to save him to hold onto their numbers.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 12:10 am
With my competitive spirit I am in total disagreement with any 'throw the challenge' strategy. They should have waited until they officially lost to get rid of whoever they wanted to get out. I could see why they would want to get rid of Billy though. When they showed him making that comment about not using up his energy to gather food or do any work cuz he'll just have some of whatever they bring in and then showed him laying around like a beached whale I wanted him off the show. If I were on that tribe he'd be starving until he got voted off cuz he would not have been having some of whatever I brought in. <el>
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 12:31 am
Curlyq ~ "But wouldn't you have to agree that the only reason Ozzy is safe for now is that the producers added this mutiny twist? " So, what would be the preference? NO twists? Simply Survivor by rote & bore the fans so much because it looks like the Harlequin Romance Novel Formula? Can't blame Ozzie & the OTHERS on their tribe, for wishing to TRY to win. Hey, don't get me wrong! I personally am somewhat out of shape and couldn't even imagine doing that challenge - wouldn't expect them to keep me in the game merely because I MIGHT be able to supply 1-vote. But one surely can't blame them for trying to win the game. Frankly, Ozzie is the one who (as far as I can see) has done his homework upfront in terms of learning the flora & fauna, acquiring the skills, doing the stuff needed for real "survival". It's been refreshing, to me, since supposedly that's what the show was somewhat about. Otherwise CBS would supply the Stars their dressing rooms behind the set, I would imagine.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 12:42 am
I gotta agree with you on that, Biscottiii. Ozzy definitely was prepared for the show. I've always wondered at these people when they first appear on Survivor and obviously have not prepared or have a clue what to do. Why on earth would you go on Survivor and not have learned how to make fire, catch a fish, know the edibles? Heck they even give them a guide on a lot of this stuff and some of them don't even bother to read it. I can see not being able to make fire rubbing sticks but most of these guys couldn't even use a flint when they got it. Ozzy rules on just about everything here; swims like a fish, climbs like a monkey, runs like a gazelle and generally knows what he's doing in the wild. He's an awesome survivor but I just don't like him.
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Sallycat22
Member
08-31-2005
| Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 8:40 am
The only kissing I liked was the one between Yul and Ozzy. In the group hug after the big win, they kissed over the heads of the girls. I love it that when Candance & The Hat left it bonded the remaining team into a tight fight'in machine. Also next time the other team have to whip out a puzzle in the final seconds, they are going to wish that Jenny was back.
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Trueheart
Member
09-12-2006
| Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 9:43 am
and then showed him laying around like a beached whale I wanted him off the show

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Nerovh
Member
06-11-2005
| Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 10:25 am
Hehehe. I forgot about Jenny and the puzzles, LOL. Seeing Raro struggle to even figure out where to dig and arguing over what direction Probst gave them first had me wondering who, if anyone, was the brains in that operation. Jenny didn't look like she was a big help physically on those challenges, but she seemed pretty good at the parts where you had to do puzzles or memorize things. I was thinking maybe Raro would be stronger now, but they may have messed up a little. Time will tell.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 8:27 pm
I can see many points of view and I don't consider Aitu to be underdogs in CHALLENGES.. yes they can't rest, but also they aren't stuck playing a weak member every other time. The underdog part comes from the 8 - 4 situation and that label was created at that point, when Candice and Jonatan jumped ship. The game is won with jury votes, no matter how strong or crafy or prepared the final two (or three?) may be. As for Ozzy wanting Billy gone, that was smart at that point (but perhaps not smart to throw a challenge.. that one is hard to tell.. he knew at that time if they threw the challenge, they were on board to oust Billy. The situation is SO dynamic that even one more challenge and things could have shifted in Billy's favor for some reason, or some other person could have made some statement that would be used as an excuse to boot them instead of Billy. Billy, as we know from confessionals, felt no alliance to his original hispanic team mates (including Ozzy) so booting him was good for Ozzy. Raro must be reeling because two new people were added and three of their team are gone. Adam is ok with this because of his alliance with Candice but it is still a situation in flux and they have been hit by two failures to win and the surprise of the double eviction as well. Nate has a huge target on his head, I think. Hmm can't continue in some directions because it would be spoiling/speculation but next ep should be interesting. As pointed out above, Candice and Jonathan and Adam have to have three pissed off jury members so far.. will they be SO pissed off that they would vote for an Aitu at the end? Time will tell.
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