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Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 8:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
....me again....sorry

I wanted to add that, Yul as majestic and pure as I find him ;) I kinda believe him when he told Jonathon that he wanted to be in the f2 with him because Jonathon has a lot of enemies in the game.

Will we think differently of Yul if he doesn't take Becky?

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 8:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
IMO Nate was very immature and didn't seem to put out much effort for anything. I was glad to see him go. And, another plus is I don't have to look at his fuzzy butt anymore. Get a vine and make a belt for crying out loud. I don't find a man's pants hanging down a big turn on myself.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 9:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
About Nate.
Thanks to something JP said earlier this season, I've always tried but failed to see what fun person Jeff sees in Nate. To me, he has an awful silly way of a game play. On his original tribe, he thought guys were some commodity and was blindsided. He kept that same thought and lost JP when he was comfortable thinking that Adam, himself and JP were some must have members in the Raro tribe. Also, his reason to vote Steph off was a bit whacked too. She shared a fantasy with him: ....how good it would have been if she'd be able to have some potato that night.(!) The way he suspected Brad for no reason and was proven wrong after the Mutiny, he should have stuck with a member like that rather than voting with the other "childish" tribemates. Then, he was willing to cut off two mates he had agreements with just to satisfy this other mate's personal agenda of keeping Candy around. Well, good riddance to you, Nate!
Ah! Maybe Jeff got to see what a fun person Nate is in the Loser's Lodge.

About Becky.
Oh no, I won't call her a coat tailer at all. WE saw all the effort she put in RC & IC. I am positive she pulls her own weight around the camp as well. Remember how she turned down Yul's offer if the mini ii last week? I've known many Korean girls in my time. She's one of those who'd prefer to "win" on her own merits. Wait and see.

I have too much to say. Sorry, let me just echo that I'd like to see Yul and Ozzy do well. Jon gained some respect from me this epi. He is playing hard! I'm not sure he even believes Yul about taking him to F2. But then again, he bought Candace's "non-existing" words for a long time!

One more thing.
I hope they don't really plan on not feeding "Betty, Veronica and Jughead" for the duration. It's gonna take nine days before they're all gone. -- unless there's another IC geared to ballerina or Sanson, I'm sure those three would be voted off as scheduled. (I wish Parv wasn't in that same lump, but if Jonathan is still blindly thinking he was saved by A&C, P will be next one to go.)

Ah, one last thing.
Saundra is very lucky those two flipped when they did. It helps that she's very appreciative and humble as well.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 9:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
It's interesting to hear what others think about everything. You say potayto, I say potahto kinda thing. Jonathan lost respect from me this time. He has no loyalty and his word means nothing. I could never trust him. Trust and loyalty are big with me and probably cloud my judgment more than they should.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 9:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Question to everyone: did you think Yul lied to Jonathan when he said he wanted to be with him in the final two?

And: if he did mean he wanted to be with Jonathan, do you think he'll do anything to make that happen (such as kick out one of Ozzy-Becky-Sundra before Jonathan)?

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 9:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
No, I believed Yul would like to be with Jonathan at the end. If the opportunity presented itself, I think he would try to keep Jonathan. I think, ultimately, everyone will want Jonathan at the end.

The question that I have is - isn't this now set up to possibly have a tie in the finale with the jury? Or, could there be a final 3 instead of final 2 just to shake things up?

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 10:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
If Yul is lying to Jonathan then he's lying to Becky. My guess is he's lying to Jonathan as Becky has been his alliance since the very beginning. But then Jonathan is lying to everyone so who knows.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 10:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I think he said he would 'like' to be in final 2 with Jon....good way with words, imo

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 10:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Yes, I think Yul was honest when he said he would LIKE to be with Jonathan in F2 (plus also knowing it would help Jonathan swallow the bait - hook, line & sinker!). Yul said nothing about guaranteeing to 'take Jonathan' to the F2 with him. Plus, Yul knows that anything could happen in the meantime. What if someone could get eaten by a crocodile or run over by a turtle? No guarantees that Becky would make it thru the individual challenges herself, either.

On the other hand, as a young lawyer that likes to get involved in politics, I think that Yul knows that 'honor' is more valuable than gold! Don't think he would wish to embarrass Becky in her new lawyer career either. For a young man like himself,
$1-million-dollars-minus-taxes-perhaps spread over payments
is just not worth the loss of face and potential career defining moments. I mean really, that's $peanuts$ in terms of money loss vs. honor/career growth. I will hope/expect Yul will continue to play a CLEAN game, as he has done in the past. Truly don't believe he will disappoint, certainly not for some silly Reality Game. He's got too much to lose in doing that.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 11:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
ITA, Biscottiii.

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 11:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Chy ~ "I hope they don't really plan on not feeding "Betty, Veronica and Jughead" for the duration. It's gonna take nine days before they're all gone. --"

Betty/Veronica/Jughead, jeepers THAT was so funny! I meant to tell Nickovtyme Thank You last night! I never was a comics fan as a kid, but I SO RECOGNIZED exactly who you were referring to. LOL

As far as the food issues go, those 3 young people are just as able bodied as any of the rest of the remaining survivors, plus probably more rested to boot. What is to stop B/V/J from going fishing, keeping a fire going, boiling water, cooking THEMSELVES? Surely they didn't expect to find their Mommies on that island, waiting to take care of them? well, ahem maybe I shouldn't have asked that

Perhaps Aitu won't starve them altogether, but it would be downright dumb to overfeed the critters, just so they can compete more strongly (against) in the challenges.
Hunger/weakness might build character & get 'em packing faster


NOTE TO OZZIE: Don't let Betty/Veronica/Jughead borrow your spear gizmo, they will probably lose it.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 11:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
Yeah, I agree, his phrasing was such that he could make Jonathan think he might have meant he'd take him, but without actually promising to anything he wouldn't do.

For the jury, I thought maybe the audience would have a vote in case of a tie, but they can't do that if they show the last game episode followed immediately by the live finale. I wonder if they'll do some sort of twist involving one person leaving the game completely.

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 3:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whoami a private message Print Post    
I'm a couple of pages late, and a couple of days late to the competition (still haven't even watched the last two episodes). But I just had to LOL at Nerovh's comment:


quote:

2. If Adam doesn't have the idol, and Candace doesn't have the idol, and Jonathan doesn't have the idol, WHO do these geniuses think actually has the idol? The chickens, maybe?




Too Funny!

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 8:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
Thanks guys.

It came to me in a sudden flash and I wasn't even sure anybody else would get it.

When I was a kid, my dad used to buy the Archie comics and I would sit around and read them. Adam is no Reggie by any means. Jughead just fits.

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 9:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
one word for yul.....COLBY. take jonathan over becky at the end, he can always buy her a car or ring after the show with his winnings.

i respect jonathan for playing the game rather than hanging out like some players. he wont win but he could go to f2. he should have never mutinied in the first place, but he fits in better with yuls group anyway.

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 10:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texasdeb a private message Print Post    
Jonathan had to do what he did - his best chance of making it the farthest depended on this choice. The game takes turns & this turn may not make him look trustworthy to the others but it is the best bet for his individual game. He'll come in 5th place at the least. I'm ready for Adam to get the boot next. I don't like his game play & he's bringing Betty/Veronica down with him & I like both of those girls. They may not be worth much around camp, but they are the 2 strongest women in the comps.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 11:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I think Yul said to Jon about F2 that Yul thinks his chances are better against him than ? and ?, I think he said Becky and Sundra,I'm not sure.

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
I have no doubt Yul's loyalty will be to Becky, followed by Ozzie & Sundra, to the end with Jonathan being a 5th wheel. When Jonathan jumped ship with Candace, he created an unbeatable monster in that foursome. I will be heartbroken if any of the four go before Adam, Candace or Pav. Is it too much to ask of the Survivor Gods to actually like all 4 in the F4?

Like others, my likes & dislikes have changed. I'm definitely appreciating Ozzy now. Always liked Yul, Becky and Sundra. And while I was disappointed at Jonathan jumping ship, I hope he comes in 5th behind the Golden Four. GO AITU!

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texasdeb a private message Print Post    
Do you think Aitu may be worried of Jonathan flip flopping again? If so, they may actually try to get him out sooner than F5 because the 4 of them (assuming they stick together) will have the #'s until the end. Jon's still a loose cannon & AITU needs to keep their guard up.

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 3:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kappy a private message Print Post    
Texas ~ I'm hoping they're keeping their guards up with Jonathan but only time will tell.

#10 top reason why I would like to see Candace go . . . "I want Yul gone simply because I don't like the way he talks with Jonathan ('stirring up trouble').


Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 5:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Nerovh's comment: WHO do these geniuses think actually has the idol? The chickens, maybe?

Yes, Nerovh, that WAS a good giggle!

One thing I discovered last night, reading @ CBS, that I had totally forgotten. Remember on Day 1, when Nate & Sekou (the bossy yet weak leader/Jazz Singer) stepped forward to exile Jonathan without even consulting the women on their tribe? All the other tribes (incl Aitu) were there to witness the disrespect shown towards their female teammates.

Then, when the womenfolk voted to oust Sekou, only Nate & Sekou voted to get rid of Sundra, yep Sundra! While sitting around the campfire at nights with nothing to do but share stories since you can't do chores in the dark....I just bet the topic had come up around the Aitu camp with Sundra sharing ALL the details.

Now, after the suggestion by Jonathan to oust Nate, I don't think either Sundra or Jonathan sincerely felt much remorse about voting for Nate. Or that Sundra felt much like arguing in Nate's defense.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 5:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
he can always buy her a car or ring after the show with his winnings.

A car or trinket could not buy back loyalty and dedicated friendship. Even though this is a game for money, you are who you were at the end of the game. Personally, I would not forget betrayal.

That's also the reason Jonathan has to go from any side you look at it from. No one should trust him again.

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 5:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
A car or trinket could not buy back loyalty and dedicated friendship.

ITTTA Chili!

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 6:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Texasdeb a private message Print Post    
Jon got over to that "kid" tribe & found himself doing all of the survival work & found himself with a "couple" & Pav. I like Pav & hope she out stays the "couple". Pav is going to have to win some major IC's to go to the end - I just don't see it. This game is so unpredictable. I'm just thinking that Sundra is prob. in 4th place with Aitu & Pav doesn't to me seem to have as much of a target on her head as Adam & Candice. Maybe, Pav will win herself an IC or 2 & carry herself a little further. Who knows?

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 7:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Pav seems pretty low key right now. Good move on her part.

I would split the couple first (either one, doesn't really matter), get maybe 1 or 2 more out and then go for Jonathan. Since Jonathan knows that Yul has the idol, I think he'll stick with them until it's used. Unless, of course, he can figure out how to get Yul to use it without putting himself in the mix.