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Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 9:26 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puzzled a private message Print Post    
It's interesting that Candace said that Jonathan weaseled his way by getting food. Raro was more than happy to take advantage of it and to use him. After all, they foolishly voted off their members to keep Jonathan. Pot...kettle.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 9:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
I watched again to get it right and I gotta say I did not need to see the eel throw up his dinner.

I was totally meaning to write about that. I know a lot of people *analyze* the clues with the animals and weird stuff. I just wonder what a barfing eel signified. Maybe it had something to do with the food issues at camp.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 10:05 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Eeyoreslament...We watched Eel over and over...I guess it was disbelief on our part...but the segment came right after Jonathan was talking about overeating and then got up and burped.... It was rather gross, but I guess they were suggesting that the other survivors thought Jonathan was rather gross...

Whrlwnd
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10-13-2006

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 10:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whrlwnd a private message Print Post    
Hi Lateeda. I'm a relative newcomer also. Welcome.


I just wonder if the 3 ever went to get their own fish/food, or if they just kept complaining & went w/out.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 10:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
I just re-read the bios and remember, Jonathan is an actor, so we may or may not know what kind of guy he is, or it may be an act to entertain us. Sundra is also an actress but, while she's lovely, she's not all that entertaining. Ozzie seems to match his active outdoor bio, Yul and Becky analyze as one might expect, Candice's personna on the show makes me hope her goal with pre-med isn't patient care. Parvati, flakey, wannabe actress. Adam, eh!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Welcome to new posters! Always interesting to hear many views.

I think they have shown Jonathan, ever since he went to Raro and also since the merge, absolutely letting the slackers know that he'd like them to at least get a fire going or help out, not have him do all the work, so they have been warned. And as others have correctly pointed out, they should know the drill about Survivor. Even in the unlikely event that one of them had never seen the show, after they were auditioned, even if they were dragged there by an agent, I'd think curiosity alone would have caused them to go online and check it out, or ask friends about it.

Also there's not much of a gap, other than between Jonathan and the rest.

Jonathan 44
Sundra 31
Yul 31
Adam 28
Becky 28
Ozzie 25
Candice 23
Parvati 23

and Adam is older than Becky or Ozzie and they seem to have no slacker genes.

None of them are listed as living at home with mom and dad anyway.

AND, if they actually hope to be in the finals (instead of petulantly only wanting to last longer than certain others they deem less worthy) they should have learned from past shows that there will come a crucial competition that will require them to show the skills they should have been learning.. coconut chopping, fire building, etc.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 11:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Candice, Parvati and Adam have never bothered me on this show and I actually like them. I think it must be because of what Lateeda pointed out. Having 4 grown sons, I've had quite a parade of young people come and go in my house over the years. Those 3 are typical of what I've seen. The boys now have significant others and at least one child each who come over also and none of them lift a finger when they are here. They don't pick up after their kids, they never offer to help when preparing meals and half the time they expect me to deal with their kids when they are here. My DIL didn't have a clue how to cook or clean when they got married. A lot of parents don't teach their kids much about domestic life or work ethics.

Also, the majority of these people were recruited for this show so they may have the idea it's a free ride for a chance to win money. Who knows what their mind set is.

Candice was one of my favorites though. I was sorry to see her go. I wish she'd played smarter because she definitely has the brain and skills to win if she'd just thought more.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I agree that it's not surprising that that's how they act, but I still don't have much sympathy for their reaction when they knew the food was being eaten without them. We're talking about people who not only didn't help capture or cook the food, they didn't even look to see whether it was ready to eat, expecting the be called. Again, not that surprising, but their problem, not the others', I think.

Also (as someone upthread said, can't check who as I'm in the editing window!) it's not just age, it is upbringing. I don't think people who have no responsibility for them, and in fact are in a competition to them, should make allowances for them in that way.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 12:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Twiggyish a private message Print Post    
I'm trying to dislike Johnathan, but I keep seeing his pretty blue eyes...

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 12:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
Lateeda, once you've delurked you can't go back.
I see your point, but that bunch just does not bring out any motherly instincts in me. I'm all for sending them to the school of hard knocks.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 12:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
LOL, Twiggy.

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
Saw Nate on the E Channel with his brother this morning. When asked if he had a message for Survivor fans, he said "Be sure and watch the finale as he would have plenty to say to Johnathan." Does this mean that Johnathan is in the final 2? Did anyone else catch that?

Snee
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06-26-2001

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 3:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Snee a private message Print Post    
maybe he means the reunion part of the finale, sally. i think nate should just get over himself. talk about pot/kettle stuff. sneesh!

Sallycat22
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08-31-2005

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 4:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sallycat22 a private message Print Post    
You may be right...but the trash talk is usually directed the final two, where everyone on the jury gets a shot at them. We'll see.

Retired
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07-11-2001

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 5:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Retired a private message Print Post    
The reunion part of the finale is usually live.

Lateeda
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12-01-2006

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 5:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lateeda a private message Print Post    
Thanks for the nice welcomes...nice to get a greeting from someone other than my dogs!
I'd like to add to my previous post that I do not have "sympathy" for C-A-P having to either go w/out eating or going to get their own. HOwever, I still think Jonathan should/could have made his point directly to them instead of making blanket statements about 'people helping out around camp' - cause Lord knows when I *try* to be subtle and throw out hints about someone helping me w/cooking, laundry, unloading groceries, everyone w/in earshot thinks I'm talking to everyone else BUT them! LOL I just feel that telling someone they are suffering a consequence after the fact is in itself childish.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 7:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Lateeda, first of all, welcome. :-)

Second of all, I could not disagree more. In my culture, everyone pitches in...especially girls. I began cooking dinner for my eight person family when I was in 5th grade! Laziness is not tolerated.

Who made Jonathan, Yul, Becky, Ozzy and Sundra the keepers of Candice, Adam and Pavarti? If those three want to eat, let them work for it. No one owed these three any explanation, warning, etc. Hopefully in future seasons we will see more of this "tough love" behavior. Heck, the show is, after all, called "survivor".

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 8:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Interesting observations and I don't have kids and neither does my brother, but in watching his nieces and and nephews grow up, they see eager to participate as adults. Just this Thanksgiving all three of the older ones, all younger than 25, came to visit their grandmother and behaved politely, helped set up the food, helped clean up, etc. and then at the Thanksgiving celebration each one of them brought a dish (two of them are young men, single) and made sure the dish was properly served and had intelligent comments to make about the dishes (LOL.. the oldest guy apologized for using a cornbread mix the then explained how he added jalapeno peppers to the mix and how using the juice from the peppers in place of some water really jazzed it up.. They were very involved with the adults, and with their younger cousins and with the new young niece (daughter to the one young woman and her husband).

What makes Ozzy and Becky and Yul so much more mature than Adam, Parvati and Candice?

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 10:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
They're not spoiled white kids. Not tryint to be flippant in any way...but Ozzy, Yul and Becky have probably faced more adversity growing up that made them more mature.

Rosie
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11-12-2003

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 10:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rosie a private message Print Post    
When Jonathon went back to Adam's tribe, the tribe all said that Jonathon could do all of the work. Of course, they had the numbers to get away with that behavior then.

As their tribe size dwindled, none of them realized or cared that their behavior should have changed.

Too bad. So sad. NOT.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 11:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
Indeed.. Snuff those torches, slackers!

Bluejaxrock
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04-23-2004

Sunday, December 03, 2006 - 7:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bluejaxrock a private message Print Post    
Saw Nate on the E Channel with his brother this morning. When asked if he had a message for Survivor fans, he said "Be sure and watch the finale as he would have plenty to say to Johnathan." Does this mean that Johnathan is in the final 2? Did anyone else catch that?
Sallycat, I saw that and thought the same thing. Usually the finale is the jury confronting/questioning the final 2. They don't usually spew venom at the reunion, do they?
Weird, huh? Like the Daily 10 guy, but not Nate. hmmmmmm.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 2:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
They spew venom at each other to some extent.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 4:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Oh, yeah. Just waiting for the spewing venom part. It should be interesting this time. In the past they either won't say what they really think or they've all kissed and made up by the reunion. I'm hoping this time they will talk.

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 6:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kaili a private message Print Post    
Nate may be wanting to react at the reunion to the behind the scenes stuff that he didn't know about before viewing the show himself. I don't know why- you would think if you hear the reasoning and what all was going on, it would make more sense to him why Jonathan did what he did.

Maybe he wants to sound all dramatic and really he's going to apologize to him for getting so freaked out over something that was a reasonable thing to do when you know his situation. He tried to tell them Yul had the idol. That's their fault they didn't believe him. I thinkPavarti and Nate should be a little upset with Adam and Candice for lying about the idol to them (their teammates).