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Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 10:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
I'm glad a minority won, too. When I first heard about the Mark Burnett's plan for the season, that was the first thing I said, that I hoped to see a minority win it. I have no idea what that says about me, but I was thrilled with the Final Four being composed of ethnic minorities. I just felt like that was what I wanted to see. White people already have it easy enough in the USA.

Chieko
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11-20-2003

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chieko a private message Print Post    
Okay, Mocha, I'll say it. I would be offended if a white person said he was glad a white person won.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 11:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
All I can say is it should have been Ozzy instead of Yul. Even though I didn't really like Ozzy, he is the ultimate survivor. Yul does not hold a candle to Ozzy's skills. He was only a manipulator. The reason Yul won over Ozzy was because Adam promised him his vote for a favor and he kept his word.

Vacanick
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07-12-2004

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 11:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Vacanick a private message Print Post    
I'm glad that a minority won too but for other reasons. I think Ozzy and Yul were the two hottest, smartest, most talented men out there. They were fun to watch and the fact that they were an Asian and a Latino only added to their appeal!

Scooterrific
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07-08-2005

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Scooterrific a private message Print Post    
Nick...Hottest says it all, right?

Mamie316
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07-08-2003

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 11:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamie316 a private message Print Post    
Ozzy is adorable, isn't he?

Ozzy had great strength and winning those challenges was amazing. But I think Yul using manipulation was a strength as well. It's a game.

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 11:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
i'm glad that Yul & Ozzy came in as the final two but their race has nothing to do with why i say that. i think they were the best players of strategy and skill.

one thing i think this show proved was that if they producers really want a cast diverse by race then they can put one together. i don't think it was as hard as they wanted us to think.

Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 11:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Hot is good!

I thought Yul was sooooo sexy. I think I would have found Ozzy more attractive if I was younger. He just seemed so young to me and I'm not typically attracted to much younger men.

I liked them both very much. I enjoyed this season. It's not often Survivor ends up highlighting the good in human nature, but I felt it did this season.

Csnog
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07-18-2002

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Csnog a private message Print Post    
Funny, I just thought of them as men.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
Two of the best Survivor players of all time. Fantastic strength, endurance and physical play by Ozzy but not as strong a social, strategic game. Very good strength, endurance and physical play by Yul and a strong strategic social game.

The only thing that gives Yul the edge in play in my mind is that if Yul had not won and then used the Idol so effectively, none of his team (including Ozzy) would have made it to the end.

I'll give Becky a nod too. I think she played the best game that she could.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I really wasn't that impressed with Yul's strategy, because everybody knew about it. The true strategy play is when it is so subtle that it isn't noticed by the other players. Brian was much better at it during his season. He had about 3-4 other people playing his game for him and none of them knew about it, and he managed to get himself to the final 2 with one of the most horrible personalities ever, thereby pretty much ensuring his win. It wasn't until after the fact that all the other players found out that they had been played.

Everybody knew Yul was playing a strategy game.

Trueheart
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09-12-2006

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Trueheart a private message Print Post    
Well said Roxip!

The true strategy play is when it is so subtle that it isn't noticed by the other players.

I was never that impressed by Yul's strategy game either. I think that Jeff way over-hyped him playing a "perfect game". I that think is what he said. I just feel that there have been plenty other past survivor's with the same level of strategy if not better. Yul was kind of ...blah...to me.

Ozzy's passion and heart for the game left me awed. To me he played like a true survivor. I'm personally sick of "strategy" being the only star of this show. Strategy is not the only "key" skill to winning this game. I believe that survivor skills should be treated as equally as important as strategy.

Lilviking
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07-19-2005

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilviking a private message Print Post    
I believe that survivor skills should be treated as equally as important as strategy.

I agree, Trueheart. I think that's why the final vote was so close- both by the jury and the online voters.

if Yul had not won and then used the Idol so effectively, none of his team (including Ozzy) would have made it to the end.

...and if Ozzy had not dominated in the Immunity challenges his team would not have held together long enough for Yul to have an opportunity to use the Idol so strategically.

The debate can go on, I'll argue either side. The fact is that Yul and Ozzy made the ultimate team, each exceeding in different areas. They got each other to the first and second places and deserved to be there! Unfortunately only one can win the check, so a choice had to be made. I'm not sure either would have been able to display their abilities so well, and for so long, without the other there playing beside them.

Personally, I adore them both and am very happy to have seen deserving players in the final two seats!



Hermione69
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07-24-2002

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Hermione69 a private message Print Post    
Very nice post, Lilviking. Well said and I agree. :-)

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 1:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I can't argue against Yul winning, its just my preference is Ozzy. Kind of the same reason I would always pull for Janelle on BB -- the girl came to PLAY! I like the people who put their heart and soul into playing as well and as hard as they can.

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 2:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
Yul certainly wasnt a slacker! He worked hard too, competed well and had the ability to strategize. Apparently it was a wining combination.

Denecee
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09-05-2002

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 2:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Denecee a private message Print Post    
I really like Yul and will not be surprised if he doesn't go into politics, I just hope he doesn't get corrupted.
Ozzy was my fav to win but if it couldn't be him, then I'm glad it was Yul!

Maris
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03-28-2002

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 2:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Maris a private message Print Post    
What I liked about Ozzy is that he was totally focussed on winning every competition and he took nothing for granted. He knew he could go out at any time.

I liked Yul but there was something that bugged me about the way he interacted with people.

I always thought his team was dumb to let him hold onto that immunity idol and his team should have told him, that they were going to vote him out with was the one they wanted out getting the number two votes so that he would have to use the idol and they go into the final four with no immunity idol. It might have changed how Yul approached the game.

All in all I am not disappointed with the winner

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 3:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
One of the most ironic statements made last night was when Adam said the Aitu tribe was boring. This from Adam, the ultimate in boring. I wonder what he thinks he did to liven things up any? Smooch with Candice. I found all that very boring. LOL

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 3:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I had to give Adam props...he did make a play to get the immunity idol out in the open at the very end (even though he knew he was going). I wonder if the conclusion would have been different?

Spear
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08-06-2001

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 4:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Re: Final votes

From what was seen on the show and from interviews, the known votes are:

Yul: Jonathan, Adam, Sundra
Ozzy: Parvati

Ozzy said he heard that the rest of his votes came from Jenny, Nate, and Rebecca.

That leaves Candice and Brad as the last of Yul's votes. I think that sounds right. Jenny said she didn't really get along with Yul and Becky, while Brad said he might have joined up with Yul if he had the chance.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 5:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Allietex, I was also floored when Adam made that comment - this coming from one of the three stooges.

And another thing, I was fit to be tied at all of Candace's and Parvati's smirking faces on the jury. I hope I never see Adam, Candace or Parvati on my TV set again.


Alisons
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01-10-2003

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 5:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Alisons a private message Print Post    
I wanted Ozzy to win. He was more of the survivalist than the manipulator. I am sick of the corporate lawyer Harvard educated winners. Like Yul really needs the money and Ozzy just wanted to go to school. Totally unfair.

Westtexan
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07-16-2004

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 5:24 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Westtexan a private message Print Post    
I don't think this came down to politics vs. hardwork. If we were take a poll right here among the TV Clubhouse members, I would imagine that the votes would be just about as neck and neck as they were on the show. It was a tough choice. I went back and forth right up to the last vote. Then my impulse said, please be Yul. So I guess I wanted Yul to win just a little bit more. Why? I had been rooting for Ozzie all along because I knew if he didn't win immunity he would be out of there -- too big a threat. Still, when it came down to it, I wanted Yul to win, Again, why? Do I value intelligence or political talk over hardworking provider? No. I admire them both. For me, it came down to who did I like the most, personality-wise. I really liked Ozzy but I really really liked Yul. He just seemed like such a good guy to me. (I wonder if I was even a little tiny bit affected by the porn work of Ozzy? subconsiously??) Anyway, I wanted to Colby to win over Tina big time. The situation was very similar. Why did I prefer Colby? Because I just liked him more, personality-wise. He and Yul just seem like two standup guys, though I was fond of both Tina and Ozzy as well.

Lori
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04-18-2003

Monday, December 18, 2006 - 5:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lori a private message Print Post    
Yup...Candace and Parvati's facial expression during tribal counsels were ridiculous. Junior high school behavior, imho. No clue why Adam had to keep reiterating how "boring" the Final 4 were. What was he talking about? He was no entertainer. I think Adam was trying to impress Candace and Pavarati with his (in his own mind only) witty comments.