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Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 9:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
I certainly hope not. The best Survivors have been when the REAL people are there -- not the wannabes. I'll keep my fingers crossed, but the limited locales certainly aren't encouraging.

Sheilaree
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07-19-2002

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 5:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sheilaree a private message Print Post    
I saw it on Fox, they said that Mark Brennett said that "United States" is the only country that has a "problem with "segrating people".

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 7:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
Actually, in this case I believe the participants are willing (and free) to be segregated into teams for the show, if they choose. No one is discriminating against them, which has always been the issue before, I believe. I think that if this is the choice they are making to win money then "go ahead". They have agreed to be segregated by race so maybe if people are upset by this they should be upset at the participants not CBS.

Jan
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08-01-2000

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jan a private message Print Post    
auntiemike, they did not know about the segregation until they got to the Islands - and apparently some of them were none too happy about it!

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 10:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
Rumor has it the 4 tribes will not be just a one-ep stunt like last season....it could go to close to the jury phase..(Though I suspect when one tribe gets down to 2 people, they'd have to go to 2 tribes or something)...

Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 10:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
Thanks Jan, I didn't know that. I think CBS should be upfront from the get-go! That way people can make a decision and effort can be mutual between all parties.

I'm not so sure I would be comfortable cheering for any team based on their ethnic background. And, it could sure divide my household as I have a Black son and an Asian daughter and an Hispanic son, and a birth son who is Caucasian. I guess we could have filled all the teams....LOL!

Spygirl
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04-23-2001

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 11:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spygirl a private message Print Post    
Whew-boy. This'll be a fun season to moderate.

Moondance
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07-30-2000

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 11:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Moondance a private message Print Post    
Haha :-)

Sheilaree
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07-19-2002

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 11:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sheilaree a private message Print Post    
I agree, Spy poor mods.I am sure some emails you will have to delete.

Moondance
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07-30-2000

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 11:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Moondance a private message Print Post    
Spy has already virtually smacked me I'm sure

Laneesmom
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05-12-2005

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 11:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Laneesmom a private message Print Post    
yeah, most of them are from CA and NY......i hate that. That bothers me more than if it were an "all-asian" cast or and "all-white" cast......etc.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 12:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
well hopefully people will be open-minded, until the first episode airs and we see how they work this...

Dipo
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04-23-2002

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 12:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dipo a private message Print Post    
I was doing a little research on the Cook Islands, seeing where they are, what are the island foods, temperature, etc and there was a news section and I found this!!

Survivor Filming Ends. Filming of the TV series Survivor being made on Aitutaki ended at the weekend. It is expected to be shown on September 14 to a projected worldwide audience of 220 million and the Cook Islands toruism industry has high expectations of an influx of visitors. The project brought about $800,000 to Aitutaki in wages and the production company is reportedly very please with the cooperation it got from locals. There may even be a further series filmed in the Cooks at a later date. - August 7 2006

Jan
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08-01-2000

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jan a private message Print Post    
interesting - I wonder if the spoilers have started to come out from cook islands yet ( where is that anyway? my geographical knowledge is very, very bad!!!)

anyone know of any great spoilers out there yet ( if you do there is a SPOILER thread ! I would just love me some spoilers

oops I just went there to get the url and noticed there are already some great spoilers there, thanks to Wilsonatmd :-):-):-)

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 7:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
I, for one, think this is going to be a good season.

Sherbabe
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07-28-2002

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 8:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Sherbabe a private message Print Post    
NYC Officials Want New 'Survivor' Pulled


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Aug 24, 9:54 PM (ET)

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NEW YORK (AP) - As CBS prepares to launch a new season of the hit reality show "Survivor," this time featuring teams divided by race, enraged city officials are saying it promotes divisiveness and are calling for the network to reconsider.

"The idea of having a battle of the races is preposterous," City Councilman John Liu said Thursday. "How could anybody be so desperate for ratings?"

For the first portion of the 13th season of "Survivor," which premieres Sept. 14, the contestants competing for the $1 million prize while stranded on the Cook Islands in the South Pacific will be divided into four teams - blacks, Asians, Latinos and whites.

Liu, who is Asian-American, said he was launching a campaign urging CBS to pull the show because it could encourage racial division and promote negative typecasts. He and a coalition of officials, including the council's black, Latino and Asian caucus, planned to rally at City Hall on Friday.


In a statement, CBS Entertainment, which is part of New York-based CBS Corp. (CBS), defended the ethnic twist, saying it follows the show's tradition of introducing new creative elements and casting structures that reflect cultural and social issues.

"CBS fully recognizes the controversial nature of this format but has full confidence in the producers and their ability to produce the program in a responsible manner," the statement said. "'Survivor' is a program that is no stranger to controversy and has always answered its critics on the screen."

Last season, the show divided contestants into groups of older men, younger men, older women and younger women.

The show's host, Jeff Probst, said the network was aware this season's race ploy might offend viewers.

"It's very risky because you're bringing up a topic that is a hot button," he told asap, The Associated Press service for younger readers. "There's a history of segregation you can't ignore. It is part of our history.

"For that, it's much safer to say, 'No, let's just stick with things the way they are. Let's don't be the network to rock the boat. Let's not have "Survivor" try something new,'" he said. "But the biases from home can't affect you. This is an equal opportunity game."

Mike
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07-15-2006

Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 10:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mike a private message Print Post    
One ethnic group against another. That's all we need. More division among people. UGH.

Apparently the producers of "Survivor" completely missed the point about the need for more ethnic diversity on the show so they have resorted to segregation. Pathetic.

This is in the same year that African-American students are urged to give up seats to whites in the States. Man, are we making progress as humans. Back to the 1950s. How much longer before slavery returns in this country?

Black students ordered to give up seats to whites
Status of Red River Parish bus driver is unknown

COUSHATTA -- Nine black children attending Red River Elementary School were directed last week to the back of the school bus by a white driver who designated the front seats for white children.

The situation has outraged relatives of the black children who have filed a complaint with school officials.

Superintendent Kay Easley will meet with the family members in her office this morning.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People also is considering filing a formal charge with the U.S. Department of Justice. NAACP District Vice President James Panell, of Shreveport, said he would apprise Justice attorneys of the situation this week. He's considering asking for an investigation into the bus incident and other aspects of the school system's operations, including pupil-teacher ratio as it relates to the numbers of white and black children, along with a breakdown of the numbers of black and white teachers employed.

"If the smoke is there, then there's probably fire somewhere else," Panell said in a phone interview from New Orleans. "At this point, it is extremely alarming. We fought that battle 50 years ago, and we won. Why is this happening again?"

Easley would not comment much on the allegations Wednesday, saying it is a personnel issue. She acknowledged that she has investigated the claim. And she confirmed that the bus driver did not run her route Wednesday, nor would she today.

Asked if the driver would work for the rest of the year, Easley said, "I'm not going to answer the questions. "» You're getting all that you're going to get from me. I'm sorry."

Red River Elementary School Principal Jamie Lawrence tried to rectify the seating situation when it was brought to her attention. But it was ultimately handled at the Central Office, Patricia Sessoms said.

Sessoms aunt, Iva Richmond, is the mother of two of the children, ages 14 and 15, and foster parent to three others, ages 5, 6 and 10. Janice Williams, who is the mother of the other four children, is Richmond's neighbor. All nine children catch the bus at a stop on Ashland Road.

Sessoms will join Richmond and Williams in their meeting with Easley today. Sessoms said they would ask for bus driver Delores Davis' immediate termination. Davis, who originates her bus route in Martin, has called Richmond to apologize, Sessoms said. A message left on Davis' answering machine late Wednesday afternoon was not immediately returned.

After Richmond and Williams filed complaints with the School Board, Transportation Supervisor Jerry Carlisle asked Davis to make seat assignments for her passengers, Sessoms said.

"But she still assigned the black children to the back of the bus," she added.

And the nine children had to share only two seats, meaning the older children had to hold the younger ones in their laps.

A new solution reached Monday by School Board officials has a black bus driver driving across town to pick up the nine black children.

"I think the whole school system needs to be reviewed in Red River Parish," Sessoms said.

Sessoms, who has two children at Red River Elementary, said she has no problems with her bus driver. "I have a wonderful bus driver," she added. Sessoms' request to have her young children sit near the front because of their ages was granted.

School Board member Gene Longino said Wednesday evening that he had not heard about the situation involving the nine children.

"I don't know anything about that. "» Until something formally comes to the School Board members through the superintendent, we don't know the details," Longino said.

School Board President Ricky Cannon was at work Wednesday evening and unavailable for comment. Board member J.B. McElwee also was not at home. Calls to the homes of Cleve Miller, Kassandria Wells White, Karen Womack and Jessie Webber were not answered.

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060824/NEWS01/608240332/1002/NEWS

Starshine40
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07-30-2002

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 12:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Starshine40 a private message Print Post    
That sounds like a terrible thing to happen. Why did the older children have to hold younger ones in their laps, weren't there enough seats for everyone? It seems there are other questions that need to be answered also, as well as putting the black children in back and the white ones in front. Maybe they need more buses/drivers.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 5:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Smh, the more we strive to move ahead the further back we get pushed.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 7:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rupertbear a private message Print Post    
What the heck is Burnett thinking?

Iheartkaysar
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08-16-2005

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 8:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Iheartkaysar a private message Print Post    
Perhaps we can come up with other bizarre (and sometimes offensive) ways Survivor could separate the contestants:

Democrats vs Republicans
Clay fans vs Rueben fans

I hate this. It promotes segregation, racial stereotypes and it sends the message that the only way a minority is acceptable is if he's with other minorities. Not to mention the fact that if someone other than the "white" contestants wins, many will say/think things like: but he only won b/c that was the year they had 4 asians playing.

This is just a sad commentary. Yes, the show should have better ethnic representation. But so should it have better age, social status, appearance, etc representation. IT should be played with the sixteen most interesting candidates period.

Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 9:03 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Teachmichigan a private message Print Post    
There was an article in our paper a few months ago -- here in Michigan schools are MORE segregated now than they were in 1970. Is Survivor reflecting reality, pushing the boundaries, or trying to do something more "lofty"-- like get us to see that all the competitors are just that- -competitors, no matter what tribe they are on? Hard to tell w/o seeing at least one or two episodes.

Was there this much outcry last year at the old/young male/female tribes? How was that different -- those designations are no more the choice of the contestant than their race?

I truly have no idea how this will shake out -- I AM very nervous about the entire structure, though! What if they had just had the same contestants, but divided them into 3 teams randomly? Do you think ethnic groups would have automatically "aligned" in those situations as the secret alliances? If so, how is this different?

Schoolmarm
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02-18-2001

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 9:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Schoolmarm a private message Print Post    
I am also wondering how this will shake out!

Will it reinforce stereotypes or bust them open?

Marm's head is a-spinnin' with this one. You can be certain that I will be watching.

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 9:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
it will either draw lots of folks in thereby increasing their ratings or lots of folks will boycott the show tanking the ratings.

Survivoraddict
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09-02-2005

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 10:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Survivoraddict a private message Print Post    
Call me a moron, but I don't see what the issue is! Really this is no different then the Amazon season where they seperated men from women, Yeah they're doing it by skin color, but so what? First of all it will bust sterotypes in half once people see that we really are all the same under the skin. Second, it's not as though the "non-caucasian" tribe and the "caucasian" tribe will be treated differently. It's just the way they've chosen to split it up. I think this move encourages more diversity in a show that in past seasons has had a predominantly Caucasian cast. I think this season is definately going to be hotter then most with that contreversy hanging over them, but if I were on that show, I would not see being singeled out as "white" bad or good. It's just who I am.