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Azriel
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08-01-2000

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 12:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
I think that in the past they have just never given the people long enough in front of the camera to spew venom. They also never ask them the damn questions that you want answered. The reunion show needs to be longer than one hour.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 1:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I must have not grown up a spoiled white child either...my mother would have (and still would) never let me sit around and do nothing while everybody else put meals on the table. If I wasn't helping cooking I knew that there was cleaning up in my future! And it is still that way 48 years later.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Roxip, I hear that. When I was in high school, it was my job to have dinner on the table when my parents came home from work. And since I had to use 2 new towels every day (one for my hair and one for the rest of me), my laundry was my responsibility also. And then there was the housework.

I won't mention what may have been said if the statement had referred to any other ethnicity.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 2:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Nate's comments are somewhat interesting....because you would have thought that if Jon heads to the Jury anytime soon, Nate would have had plenty of time telling Jonathan exactly what he thought of him...why has he kept it bottled up...maybe they haven't seen each other????

Nickovtyme
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07-29-2004

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 3:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nickovtyme a private message Print Post    
You guys know me...I'm not out to start any controversy...in the future I'll try to use better words and stuff.

Jan
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08-01-2000

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 4:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jan a private message Print Post    
I don't know Nick - you didn't say all white kids are spoiled. You implied that these white kids are spoiled and that maybe we caucasians have a few more spoiled kids than our fair share - and I think you just might be right

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 5:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Catfat a private message Print Post    
I think Nate is just trying to get more face time by going off on people. No one wants to see everyone playing nicey-nice.
And add me to the list as another white kid who worked my butt off and still do. Not all of us are spoiled. And not all unwhite kids go through a lot of adversity, either. Generalities are always unkind.

Tntitanfan
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08-03-2001

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 6:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tntitanfan a private message Print Post    
All my friends thought I was so lucky to be an only child - heck, after I finished the dishes, I mowed the lawn!Had there been two of us, the chores could have been shared!

Lilfair
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07-09-2003

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 7:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lilfair a private message Print Post    
Lazy and selfish comes in all shapes,sizes,ages...

Not sharing the food has to be one of my all time favorite Survivor turn of events.

In my family we all pitch in. Just makes things eaiser for everyone. C-A-V rather lay around and makeout then pitch in. And Jonathon, Ozzi and the rest had every right for wake C-A-V up to the idea of fending for ones self, if you can't pitch in for the greater good re regards to daily life around camp.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 8:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I think the spoiledness (probably not even a word) of the three white kids probably has something to do with the casting. When the teams were split into races at the beginning I think they had to be a little careful that the people cast in the minority tribes were varied but also motivated, for fear of getting flack about bad stereotyping. They didn't have to take so much care with the white tribe as few people were going to accuse them of racism for their choices. Just a badly explained thought.

I do agree that there is a higher proportion of lazy white young adults in this country than lazy young adults of other ethnicities. For obvious reasons.

Peapod
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01-31-2004

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 8:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Peapod a private message Print Post    
Hey guys, I'm a little slow. could someone post a pic of nate and his brother? thanks

Pea

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 9:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kaili a private message Print Post    
Sal Masakela


Kaili
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08-31-2000

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 9:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kaili a private message Print Post    
When looking for photos, I also saw this in the article with the photo:



Considering his father is the legendary musician Hugh Masekela, it's really not surprising that Sal Masekela grew up in the New York arts world... LINK

Do they have the same dad? Why is it Nate Gonzalez?

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Monday, December 04, 2006 - 9:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
young spoiled WHITE kids. WOW. 3 people on a tv show and all of a sudden all white kids growing up are spoiled and lazy. way to stereotype a culture.

i talked to famed celebrity attorney gloria allred and she demands an apology for the comments and restitution for all the white kids who were offended.....silver spoons

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 1:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Even though I never was a spoiled white child, I was offended by those comments. I don't think race makes a bit of difference on whether your kids are spoiled or not. It's that whole generation or more of kids who were raised to feel entitled and it makes absolutely no difference what race they are.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 3:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
They didn't have to take so much care with the white tribe as few people were going to accuse them of racism for their choices.

If you look at their bios on cbs.com, they wouldn't appear to be lazy people on the surface. From her bio, I think you would have expected much more out of Candace than we got. I think they thought they were going to have a beauty and brains with her, but she let them down on the brains part when her hormones kicked in.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 8:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
no kidding, Azriel. Candace's bio makes her seem like she would have been one of the most motivated, capable people out there.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, December 05, 2006 - 9:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I wasn't offended...I was just being tongue in cheek. I guess it is hard to see that through my computer screen.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 8:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
FWIW, I was a spoiled white child. But I also learned how to be self-sufficient, learned some humility, and learned how to cook, start fires, clean house, and so on. My sister, on the other hand... <snort>

Can't wait for the reunion show. I'm sure JP will start the ball rolling with something like "Jonathan was one of the most controversial survivors ever! Nate/[other survivor], what did you think of Jonathan's behavior on the island?" and then just sit back and watch the fireworks!!!

Roxip
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01-29-2004

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Costacat, that's so funny! My OLDER sister's house looks like a bomb went off in it.

Who was the Survivor chick on the VH1 awards the other night?

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 11:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I am confused. Did Candace or Adam or Parvati know that Yul had the idol and didn't tell Nate about it? I do not remember anyone (except Jon) from that tribe knowing for sure that Yul had the idol until the challenge where Yul showed it to all including Jeff.

About Can/Ad/Par not being warned to pitch in or not eat...natural consequences.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
I think Jon used the "suppose that Yul has the idol?" line and Candace, Adam and Parvati dismissed the idea. At least Candace and Parvati did. Since none of them had it it was kind of stupid for them not to even entertain the notion that Yul had it. Probably go down as one of the stupidest things ever in the game, IMO. Candace and Adam KNEW Adam didn't have it (although Parvati "just knew" that Adam did). They should have thought it over, if they are so intelligent.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 12:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Happymom a private message Print Post    
I do remember that part. I think Nate also said Yul didn't have it.

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 2:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
And look where it got Nate. I think the problem with the Raros is that they got that "arrogant" thing going for them...we are younger, we are better looking, we have the advantage of numbers...so even despite the fact that they were getting killed in the challenges they kept rolling on "busines as usual" and it bit them in the proverbial you know what! Was it Nero that kept fiddling while Rome burned?

Allietex
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08-16-2002

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Allietex a private message Print Post    
Raros members did not know that Yul had the idol for sure until the day of the auction when he announced that he would end the suspense and showed it to them. They all looked very shocked. Jon had tried to tell them without betraying Yul's confidence that he had it. If they had listened to him and voted someone else off, they would still have had the numbers. But they were so determined on Yul that Jon had no choice but to either tell and have Yul angry at him or flip. Since he knew how the Raro tribe felt about him, he probably felt he might as well go back to the people he felt more comfortable with even if they did not like him much either. At least he respected them.

The thing that really puzzled me about the thing with Jon is that none of Raro trusted him and yet they seem to have no problem with Candice who made the move to change before Jon. I think it was more that they just did not like him.

Then at tribal council Jeff mentioned that Yul had let them know he had the idol and the members of the jury all looked stunned especially Nate.

I think it is smart of Yul to tell that he has the idol, because to force him to use it, someone else is going to have to be sacrificed. No one is going to want to do that. Raro can't because they do not have the numbers, and his own alliance won't because they want the protection it offers. He will be guaranteed to go to final four after which it is no longer usable. I can actually see him never having to use it at all.

Pdxmom
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08-08-2006

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 4:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pdxmom a private message Print Post    
Like Yul said, he actually did use the II, as a way of getting Jonathan to vote with them. He just used it in a different way than it was envisioned. I agree with Allie, that he never needs to use it. Though wouldn't it be great if he handed it off to someone else before a Tribal if he though they were in danger.

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 6:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
The best thing would be for Yul to win II and then hand it to someone else, retaining the found idol until f4 if possible.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 11:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
LOL. I just read Costa's 7 51 AM post and saw snort in brackets and my first thought was that a moderator was snorting at Costa. LOL.

Wilsonatmd
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01-23-2001

Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 2:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Wilsonatmd a private message Print Post    
and since we now know that it's a final 3 facing the jury, not a final 2....Yul is in excellent shape. (Remember, the players don't know that....and that will throw a lot of people off, because under normal rules, the two people with Yul in the final 3 probably would have had a tacit take-each-other agreement because Yul was a sure winner, so if he didn't win the endurance, he would have been gone...But now, I think he woms, if he doesn't blow the jury questioning...)