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Archive through November 23, 2006Azriel25 11-23-06  6:34 pm
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Costacat
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07-15-2000

Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 5:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Yes, Lexie, he did. And yeah, I cannot believe the arrogance of those folks saying that Yul absolutely couldn't have the HII. If THEY don't have it, then who does? There weren't that many folks that were sent to Exile Island. Duh!

Spear
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08-06-2001

Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 5:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Adam and Candice told their tribemates that Adam had it. They even tried to convince Sundra. (Yes, it was a dumb idea.)

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 6:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Okay, I went back and checked the past threads. It went like this for Exile Island:
1. Jonathan
2. Yul
3. Candace
4. Adam
5. Jonathan - this is when he came back and told Jeff he figured out where the Idol was, but it wasn't there so someone had it.

DUUUHHHH... Candace and Adam. I'm starting to think these two deserve each other.



Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 4:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Jeff did say there would be lots of twists and turns this season, didn't he? Who's to say there can't be two II's on Exile Island to be found. Afterall, Yul did figure out that the II could be in one of two places by the clues he was given. Adam and Candace are young and a little immature but they don't strike me as totally stupid. For them to be that adamant about Yul not having the idol makes me go hmmmmmmm? Just a thought.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 7:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
Chili, as many times as Candace has been to EI, they never show her STILL looking for the Idol in either of the two possible locations. I just don't see them placing two Idols on EI. It totally defeats the reward for the person who is the first to find the Idol and can use it up to the Final Four. I am totally bewildered as to who Candace thinks has the Idol.



Kep421
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08-11-2001

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 7:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kep421 a private message Print Post    
Jonathan's attempt to get Adam/Candace/Nate to realize that Yul might have the II, and their stubborn arrogant response, is the main reason I don't think Jonathan owes them anything.

I don't think Jonathan should throw away his chances at this game on alliance members who don't give a rat's pahtooty about his opinions or strategy. Adam/Candace were gonna thow him over the first chance they got.

Good for Jonathan for doing what he needs to...to stay in the game!!

GO OZZIE...

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 11:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Apparently, Candace thinks Adam has the idol. I'm not saying there is a second one but if there is one then it's supposed to be a twist to the game and they may not show us anything until time for the shocker. It's just a theory. If Adam does have an idol he would tell Candace, I think, and then why would she waste time looking?

Spear
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08-06-2001

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 12:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
No -- in the extra clips on the web site, Candice says she knows that Adam doesn't have the Idol. However, she told Sundra that Adam had it in an effort to convince her to vote Yul out.

Also in the extra clips, Parvati says she's "100% sure" that Adam has the Idol. I think it's clear that Adam and Candice were just trying to fool the others.

Rbk10
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08-12-2005

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 2:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rbk10 a private message Print Post    
yeah.. spear is right!... i suggest u check on SF...http://www.survivorfever.net/s13_ep10_survivor_insider.html

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 8:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Ditto Allietex to others' comments !
re: your November 27, 11:04 am post. Excellent analysis!

Betw that and some of the other following comments, I'm feeling better about Jonathan's move to cross lines 'exiting' Nate. He really didn't have any options but to do what he could to keep hanging in!

I noticed something I found interesting in the Contestants thread about their personal interests:

Jonathan - Board Games- Trivial Pursuit, Chess, Clue
Candice - Board Games- Guess Who?, Cranium
Adam - Board Games: Monopoly, Twister
Parvati - Board Games: Taboo, Twister
Nate - Board Games: Monopoly
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Yul - Board Games: Risk, Monopoly
Becky - Board Games- Scrabble
Ozzy - Board Games: Risk, Trivial Pursuit, Backgammon
Sundra - Board Games: Scrabble, Scattergories

Yikes, I remember they first INVENTED Twister when I was a young teen & these young pups are STILL playing it. My goodness!

One thing I noticed was that, of all the remaining players, Jonathan is the ONLY one to play chess. I remember when my H.S. Algebra Teacher started the Chess Club for the 1st time in our school. He told us that you ALWAYS need to be thinking at least 7 moves ahead in order to play well. Perhaps why Jonathan seemed to be endlessly scheming & manipulating, thereby scaring other players.

So here, Jonathan attempted to strategize/work with Raro, but there appears to be a shortage in combined brain cells on that team. That, again, left Jonathan backed into a corner, forcing Jon to go In-Search-Of Intelligent Forms of Life!

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 8:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
BTW, before anyone asks....I believe that Monopoly, however, was invented LONG Long before I was born. Bisc

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 9:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
You know - or maybe you don't know as you're probably not a boring person like me - when you have to fill in a form and it says list your interests? Really all you can say are reading and walking, so you change that to "mystery novels and hiking," and add in "tennis" for good measure, because you were forced to play it at school. Maybe Jonathan lists chess but really means he was in the chess club for three months when he was twelve. He doesn't seem like he's thinking seven moves ahead.

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 9:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Azriel a private message Print Post    
Biscottiii, the board game thing is interesting because Yul and Ozzy like Risk which is also a strategy game.

I think Jonathon was really torn about what to do, but their refusal to strategize and look at possiblities woke him up to the fact that these people have very little chance to win. Candace did strategize with him when she was away from Adam, but now Candace seems content to just believe they have the numbers, so what is there to worry about because she is with Adam.

I really like Jonathan and I hate that he got in such a sucky position because of his original alliance/loyalty to Candace and Adam. I think he did the only thing he could do.

Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 10:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Az, the Risk angle is interesting. Now that you mention it, I may have played 1-2 times, back in those H.S. days with my younger Sister whom I had taught chess. That game never grabbed my interest, I'm not perhaps cutthroat enough and she was always a War buff.

Googled it just now, and AHAH!! I can remember PRECISELY what you're saying! Nice catch Az!
"Risk. Conquer the world with Risk, the classic board game of global domination. Rules, variants, strategy tips and more."

Who would have guessed that the mutiny would pull together such a power team, bonding from the leftovers - before, Jonathan & Christina/Cop kept yapping about unloading Ozzy. Ozzy doesn't seem to talk a lot, but he clearly seems intelligent (not only physical IMO).

Yeah, if Jonathan had not done the impulse move to follow Candice, I think it would have been an entirely different game. At least he's smart enough to realize that & is doing what he can for damage control. Not sure it will work, which is unfortunate IMO. He's beginning to rub off on me.

P.S. - How funny this last year to discover my Sis has been teaching her own 7th Gr Grandson & he was joining his own school's Chess Club, can you believe it?

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 12:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
My goodness, in watching the clips on cbs.com it is clear that Nate is GONE over Parvati.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
"The Ukraine is not weak!!!"

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 1:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
I recall Yul throwing away his clue after he found the idol...something about so noone will ever know where he looked...Wouldn't that have been a red flag to Candace and Adam...when they got to Exile and the previous clue was no longer there...I would think they would wonder???

Lexie_girl
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Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
That, again, left Jonathan backed into a corner, forcing Jon to go In-Search-Of Intelligent Forms of Life!


I just love that line - thanks again Biscotti for making my day!!!



Spear
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08-06-2001

Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 1:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
I think Yul threw away the instructions that came with the Idol, not the clues to find it. I'd assume that they're not allowed to destroy the clues -- that wouldn't be fair.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 2:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Just what might those instructions say?

You could be a winner! No purchase necessary. Details inside.

Product will be hot after heating.

Wearing of this garment does not enable you to fly.

????????????????????

Spear
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08-06-2001

Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 3:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
They showed Yul reading a piece of paper that came with the Idol. Call it a note if you want. I don't remember what it said. I said "instructions" because I was guessing that it listed rules associated with the Idol: when you could use it, how to give it to someone else, ...

Whrlwnd
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10-13-2006

Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 5:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whrlwnd a private message Print Post    
BonBon...LOL, LOL! too funny.


I sure did think it was his clue, too, but my memory isn't always on target. I didn't think of it as unfair, as he'd already found the hidden ii anyway.

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 5:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I thought it was his clue too. I thought (through no evidence, just my assumption) that each person arriving at the island gets a list of all the clues so far. It wouldn't be fair otherwise, even with the best intentions clues would get dirty or screwed up by the person using them, I think issuing new copies of the clues would be the only way.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 5:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
It really doesn't matter whether Yul destroyed the instructions or the clues, because Candace just "knows" Yul doesn't have the idol.



Biscottiii
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05-29-2004

Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 6:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Biscottiii a private message Print Post    
Haw! Haw! Haw! hehe Lexie.
Maybe Candace has psychic powers, do you suppose?.

BTW, I believe Yul also floated the box the II came in in its own little coconut boat, on the tide & off into the sunset. He covered his tracks obviously well.

Besides, not telling anyone coming after him at EI that he found it, he was making them expend energy to dig and search, lowering their competitiveness perhaps.

Lexie_girl
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07-30-2004

Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 7:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lexie_girl a private message Print Post    
I think you're right Biscotti. I think he did put the box in the ocean.



Spear
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08-06-2001

Friday, December 01, 2006 - 1:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
For your amusement, here is the piece of paper that came with the Idol:
instructions
It reads:
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You have just discovered something of great value.

This immunity idol will keep you safe from being voted off at Tribal Council once only.

You may keep this a secret or tell others that you have it.

The immunity idol cannot be stolen from you.

You may give this immunity idol to someone else as long as you give it to them before you leave your beach for Tribal Council. You may not transfer possession of the immunity idol at Tribal Council.

The immunity idol is to be revealed only after the votes at Tribal Council [have been shown?].

(Yul's voice only) The last time you can use any immunity idol is when there are four survivors left in the game.
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Also, I don't think they give out multiple copies of the clues to the Idol. I think they just stick each clue in a book that stays on Exile Island. Here is a picture of Jonathan reading that book:
clues

Roxip
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01-29-2004

Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Roxip a private message Print Post    
And Jonathan still had the clue book after Yul got it...because I remembering him searching and searching and then deciding somebody else had found the idol.

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
very good Spear!! Those instructions answer a lot of questions many of us had last year...I remember wondering if they could pass the idol to someone after the votes were read??? now we know..NOPE!!

And yah I do believe that the clues are put in a book (as above). I remember something about that last year...each time someone is sent to Exile, their clue is added to the book...

yep it was smart of Yul to keep others looking.



I am not sure why he told everyone last night that he had the idol? Why not keep Candice digging over there????