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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Saturday, December 09, 2006 - 3:12 am
OK, just watched last night's tape. I thought (upon watching) that Sundra and Becky were TERRIBLE liars. It's like they were playing BB, and had to sort of "villanize and ostracize" in order to evict Jonathan in their minds. They were downright RUDE. No poker face, rude. I felt bad for Jonathan this episode. It was like he was helpless, or at least it was how he was edited. I knew he was going to be the one evicted, and just completely felt for him while he was feeling the emotions of seeing everyone with their loved ones. Just watching his reactions to OTHERS meeting up with their parents was so nice. I just wanted to hug him. I am pretty disappointed that he was evicted. I guess it's a delicate balance with how you play the game. You can barely play, or play a bit too hard. He was making a lot of the right moves, and rolling with the punches week to week, but he showed he was PLAYING and showing it too much scares the people off who would like to believe that voting is just based on a popularity contest at a summer camp. Jonathan worked it, and I applaud that. Mind you, I was the only person applauding Ozzie the week he wanted to throw the challenge. All you <100> were mad he was "playing the game" too hard. That said, Ozzie realized he was looking like he was playing too hard in the eyes of others, and has since toned it down. I think he keeps his ideas to himself a bit more. Adam is hot. I love his smile. He kind of reminds me of either that football Bachelor, or Tom Brady. His smile is crooked. His dad's gait reminded me of Howie from BB. :-) Did we REALLY need to see a close up of Parvati's nail! <wretching> I will applaud Adam/Ozzy/Parvati if they manage to flip the script next week. I don't think it will happen though. I think the Aitu 4 are so stuck to each other, none of them can admit they want to break it up. Only Yul and Becky can talk openly. Sundra and Ozzy are sort of enemies, in the battle for 4th. They both know their fate is in the hands of Yul & Becky, but neither will say anything, because they think they are sitting in 3rd against the other. They are willing to sit quiet, and take their chances in final immunity (as they *think* it is going to happen).
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Sallycat22
Member
08-31-2005
| Saturday, December 09, 2006 - 7:47 am
The difference between Adam's grin and his Dad's, is the Dad looked fairly intellegent behind his. Perhaps in time Adam will get there.
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Saturday, December 09, 2006 - 8:13 am
It basically came down to young players not liking an older person in with them. I totally agree, Lance. -- Eeyore, good analysis.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Saturday, December 09, 2006 - 11:59 am
watching Ozz do the challenges is like watching a ballet...he is like poetry in motion!
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Saturday, December 09, 2006 - 12:15 pm
When I watch Ozzy, it makes me think of of the elf, Legolas, in the Lord of the Rings. That kind of grace and agility.
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Bluejaxrock
Member
04-23-2004
| Saturday, December 09, 2006 - 10:06 pm
The difference between Adam's grin and his Dad's, is the Dad looked fairly intellegent behind his. Perhaps in time Adam will get there. Thanks, Sal...had to clean my monitor after reading that one...lol He reminds me of Kelso on "That 70's Show" after he's been in the "circle"...lol I need help understanding what happens if the majority vote Yul out, forcing him to use the HII to save himself. Does the next highest vote leave? Or do they vote again? ITA with the posts about Ozzy. Love to watch him swim - so graceful. Would love to see him win this. I also agree that Y/B/S/O should have saved J until they'd gotten rid of A/P. I've put up with bigger a'holes for no money in my life - I'm sure I could put up with one with the chance of a reward. It's not like I'm ever really gonna see any of these people again.
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Saturday, December 09, 2006 - 11:40 pm
The next highest vote goes. If the other players play it cleverly they can rid Yul of his II and get the player of their choice out at the same time.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 12:00 am
Only if Ozzie AND Sundra both ally with Adam and Parvati.. and that would again put them in 3-4 place. Jonathan just seems to hold his mouth open for no reason I can discern. Clearly it entranced Candice, though.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 12:01 am
OH, and I didn't fault Ozzy for wanting to throw that competition, but for making it so blatantly obvious what he was doing.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 1:21 pm
I am going to miss Jonathan. (For more than one reason..LOL) Adam is far more annoying. Yul is a force to reckon with. I agree he needs to go. They need to start voting him off, or he's going to be in the final two. At this point, I'm going to root for Sundra. She's the oldest one. I hope they don't target her next.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 1:49 pm
Yul is the same age as Sundra.
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Supergranny
Member
02-03-2005
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 3:59 pm
I enjoyed Jonathan and felt he was really playing Survivor. It isn't much fun to see when the contestants rely just on winning competitions or bullying their way to the top.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 4:59 pm
I enjoyed Jonathon too. He was doing his best to play the game and he wasn't deluding himself about what he was doing. He wasn't a hypocrite.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 5:10 pm
I loved the game that Jonathan was playing (as more eloquently put in one of Lance's earlier posts). It was a HUGE mistake for the Aitu 4 to vote him off.
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 6:56 pm
Really Sea? I am still rooting for her. Lexie, that's right!
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 7:32 pm
One last thought on this show: is it me or was this show not as "exciting" as the last few shows?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 7:48 pm
I think it has been a great Survivor. Sure the race thing was a gimmick but it has produced a very diverse and interesting group of people. Up until they voted Jonathon off (for essentially saving their buts), I was completely cheering for an Aitu member to win. Now while I'd like to see them win, if they lose, they deserve to lose.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 7:52 pm
Yeah, what Jimmer said...
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 9:08 pm
No, they don't deserve to lose for voting Jonathan off at all. They STILL have numbers. They are STILL intact. Jonathan was an outsider; they just switched up their order. Nothing they did there implied ANY lack of loyalty to their Aitu 4. It was a unanimous decision; they still voted as a block. Next week, however, if an Aitu splits off, it could be their demise the following week. Especially hard for Ozzy, because everyone on that island wants him gone. If Ozzy teams up with Parvati and Adam, and gets Becky or Yul out next week, the following week would see him voted out. The remaining Aitu's would say "Ozzy's a jerk, AND a threat. Let's vote for him." and Adam and Parvati would possibly follow suit, because they wouldn't want Ozzy competing for F4 immunity. Nobody does. I think Adam and Parvati would take their chances with the tie in the F4 vote. Mind you nothing about their game play has been very intelligent, or well-thought out, so this is all hypothetical.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 9:11 pm
They used Jonathon up and spit him out. He deserved it for the flip flopping. I woulda voted him out a long time ago if I couldn't use him for something. He just got more annoying than he was useful.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 9:30 pm
Jonathan only flip flopped once that I can recall and that arguably wasn't even a flip flop in that you are not flip flopping if you move with your alliance to another tribe where you also think you are in an alliance with other members. Jonathan wasn't allied with the other members of Aitu – he was simply on their tribe because Survivor decided he should be there – it wasn't his choice. The second time Jon flipped (back to the Aitu 4) he did so because no one in his alliance would listen to him and he would have been voted out if he had stayed. What kind of an alliance is that?
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 10:10 pm
I don't Eeyore ~ Aitu may still have the numbers but not on the jury. By leaving Adam and Parvi in the game, if either one of them makes it to the end by winning the II over and over, they have the numbers on the jury. Any of the 4 on Aitu could have won at the end against Jonathan but they can't win againt A or P. BIG mistake on their part.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 11:03 pm
I honestly don't think many players truly play for first. I think most people play for second place, and the million is a bonus. The remaining players are all just scratching to stay in until 2nd, and how things go with the jury is more of a long term goal. If you focus too far down the road, you're in trouble. None of these people can guarantee that they can keep Jonathan in until F2, and that goes against most of their loyalties. Jonathan was more of a risk against even MAKING it to F2 for any of those people, than he would be a reward for keeping him until F2. There are still 4 more evictions to go, and that's a lot of gambling that you can keep yourself AND Jonathan in the game, especially knowing how self-serving Jonathan is. I mean, we all know Jonathan will flip whatever way got him further. So assuming Jonathan could stay.....WHO would HE want to sit next to in F2? We go back to my first point. He's just playing for 2nd, and nobody can count of making it WITH him.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Monday, December 11, 2006 - 12:50 am
So true, Eeyoreslament. Jonathon was for sale to the highest bidder of the moment. As soon as someone with a better offer came along Jonathon would have been off to the next alliance. By the time they voted him off no one could trust in him any longer.
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Dfng
Member
08-04-2005
| Monday, December 11, 2006 - 10:58 am
There is no trust when it gets down to this size. Alliance's start to eat their own. I too think keeping Jonathan would have been in his best interest. Seems like he already had doubts about Ozzie so why not keep Jonathan and tell him F2. He would not have jumped to Adam and Pravati if he felt safe and I think Yul could have made him feel that way. Better idea would have been to take out Adam and then maybe Ozzie, then Jonathan.
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