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Cndeariso
Member
06-28-2004
| Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 7:13 pm
who's rule is it? the government's? i've never heard such a thing. does the 1 drop rule apply to other races mixed with caucasians or just African Americans? this is the first i have ever heard of this.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 7:36 pm
I think back in the day when you filled out questions regarding race the 1 drop rule applied...not positive though when I have filled out those for my son I ck white and A/A...I refuse to check 'other'!
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 7:48 pm
That's right, Pamy ... especially during the jim crowe days ...
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Konamouse
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 10:41 pm
I meant ask Landi about her experience at her audition - and what kinds of folks she saw there. Of course I know her ethnicity. I have no idea why Bill hasn't been called. But I really doubt they purposefully exclude him for being A/A. Burnett & Probst have said they get relatively few applications from non-caucasians. Let's say 50,000 applications. If 10% are from non-white, that is 5000. If only 1% of applications make it to the next round that is 500 folks total and only 5 non-white. That's just to the personal interview part. Still a lot more cut here to get down to the final 20. It's really competative. I would suggest that Bill continue to submit. Change up the video. Look at audition videos for those who were picked and doing something that makes you stand out from the crowd in the first 5 seconds. I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya! 'squeek'
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Cndeariso
Member
06-28-2004
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 5:06 am
oh, i see! sorry, mouse, i misunderstood. bill looks like a fine candidate to me. i can't understand why he would have been excluded either.
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 6:33 am
I guess I can't expect everyone to know what the 1-drop rule is when it wouldn't apply to them lol. But it is as Pamy explained it. No matter if it was your great-great-great-great grandmother who was black then you're considered black. No matter what the mixture. So Spear I really don't get your statistics, if you're a minority race then you're a minority no matter what the mixture. But for the sake of your argument, Alicia is mixed. And I still don't buy that crap that they get relatively few apps from minorities.
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Ladytex
Member
09-27-2001
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 6:33 am
because they didn't make any effort to increase diversity in past seasons ... 2 minorities - 3 max per season, but now all of a sudden they are all concerned ... pffttt, it's all a ratings ploy
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Cndeariso
Member
06-28-2004
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 6:54 am
i'm not trying to be silly here, i really just haven't heard of this before. so, am i considered Cherokee then since my great-great-great-grandmother on my father's side was?
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Babyruth
Member
07-19-2001
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 6:58 am
Here's some info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 6:58 am
No Cnd I think this is just a rule for black people.
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Kaili
Member
08-31-2000
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 6:59 am
A guy I know has no drops of Hispanic blood technically, but his father was born in Argentina so he got grants for college for being Hispanic...he's almost red headed and covered in freckles. Ridiculous. His dad is totally American except by birth circumstance. I thought he should be embarrassed to walk into the multicultural center looking like he does to get his "minority status financial aid".
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 7:02 am
The one-drop theory (or one-drop rule) is a historical colloquial term for the standard, found throughout the United States of America, that holds that a person with even a tiny portion of non-white ancestry ("one drop of non-white blood") should be classified as "colored", especially for the purposes of laws forbidding interracial marriage. It is an ethnocentric concept based on the idea of human hierarchy. The one-drop theory arises curious cases. For instance, all the British Royal Family might be of African ancestry, because of descent from Margarita de Castro e Souza, a Portuguese of possibly mixed origins, who was known at her time for having a "Moorish" appearance. This notion of invisible/intangible membership in a "racial" group has seldom been applied to people of Native American ancestry (see Race in the United States for details). The notion has also been applied to the idea of solely black ancestry. Langston Hughes wrote, "You see, unfortunately, I am not black. There are lots of different kinds of blood in our family. But here in the United States, the word 'Negro' is used to mean anyone who has any Negro blood at all in his veins. In Africa, the word is more pure. It means all Negro, therefore black. I am brown."[1] link
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Mocha
Member
08-12-2001
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 7:02 am
Lol great minds Br.
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Babyruth
Member
07-19-2001
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 7:06 am

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Cndeariso
Member
06-28-2004
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 7:22 am
thanks, i had no idea such existed. didn't mean to hijack the thread.
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Jan
Moderator
08-01-2000
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 10:18 am
Isn't it much like the fact that Tiger Woods is always known as a black or AA golfer - even though he is 50% Thai through his Mom ( who is 100% Thai) and his dad was of totally mixed race with only about a half being AA ??
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 10:53 am
In WWII there were many people who were sent to the death camps who did not consider themselves Jewish, but it turned out that someone in their family tree was Jewish, so it was curtains for them... so its not a unique concept. Although it may not have been labelled the 'one-drop'... Hatred and ignorance always seems to find a way to separate people from the general populace. People of all colours and stripes who are simply trying to get through this life unscathed.
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 10:58 am
quote:So Spear I really don't get your statistics, if you're a minority race then you're a minority no matter what the mixture. But for the sake of your argument, Alicia is mixed.
Yes, I see your point and the way I did it doesn't match how the census numbers are calculated. (I also forgot about Alicia.) Ultimately, the US Census Bureau relies on people to identify themselves and does have a category for "two or more races", so I guess it all depends on what ethnicity the contestant chooses. Anyway, if we assume a one-drop rule for all non-whites and if we treat all Hispanics as minorities, I believe that adds up to 27/184 or 14.7% minorities in the pool of Survivor contestants.
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 4:49 pm
GM has dropped their sponsorship. I'm caucasian. Not that there's anything wrong with that 
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Spear
Member
08-06-2001
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 5:25 pm
Apparently, GM backed out months ago and it had nothing to do with the "segregation" theme. LINK I wonder what they'll do for the late-stage Reward Challenge where they used to give out one or more GM vehicles?
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Cokegirl
Member
03-08-2004
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 9:13 pm
Wow, I have never heard of the one drop rule before! You really do learn something new every day. I guess my Mom was right, my whole family is Heinz 57. LOL I think I'll just wait and watch the show to see how it plays out.
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Oldtex
Member
03-06-2006
| Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 10:26 pm
I'll bet the majority of current US Citizens are as Cockegirl is - Heinz 57. But through many generations, it was "hidden" from family trees. I have several family members and friends of mixed race and well, I think it's great! We have learned so much from one another and everyone gets along great. Just as it should be. IMHO!
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Lumbele
Member
07-12-2002
| Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 5:56 am
If the producers can "recruit" ethnic contestants now, they could have done that before, too. And apparently, they didn't even bother to check into those who applied even a little bit. This division is making me very uncomfortable. It seems to invite an "us" against "them" mentality, not just in the players, but the viewers as well. Why not recruit tribes of different occupations and let *them* duke it out? For now I will wait and see how the show handles their latest publicity stunt. Who knows, maybe it actually *will* foster some *real* discussion between the different groups. However, I will kick this show to the curb so fast if it confirms my weariness about this concept. The pocket book is the only dictionary these people consult.
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Heyltslori
Moderator
09-15-2001
| Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 6:06 am
Lum, I agree with your whole post. The division is making me very uncomfortable as well. I just don't see what good can come of it. I think it's great that there is equal representation this season...but I just don't understand the need to divide the people. Personally, I'd like to see them remain as one large group for the whole show. They could divide into random teams for competitions, but I'd like to see them live as one large group right from day one. I'll watch to see what happens, because I love the show and I am giving them the benefit of the doubt for now...but I sure have a bad feeling about it.
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Auntiemike
Member
09-17-2001
| Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 8:21 am
I LOVE the idea of one large group and random teams for the competitions. That would make it very interesting. Alliances would quickly be obvious too, I would think.
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