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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 7:14 pm
I can so see Jonathan scheming behind Yul's back to use up that II. He's such a snark.
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 7:29 pm
sometimes people in here act like these people are life long friends. at the most they will have known each other 39 days. 39 days is not worth $900,000. if i was yul i would just rationally explain to becky that taking jonathan f2 is a slam dunk victory. remember becky is the same person that didnt want yul to give her the idol, so i think becky understands rational game play. if becky has the choice i would expect her t do the same thing. i mean maybe with that extra money yul buys his parents house or pays for a siblings college. 39 days
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 8:01 pm
Biscotti, thank you for you 4:14 p.m. post. That makes perfect sense why Sundra didn't fight Jonathan about voting out Nate instead of Adam.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 8:01 pm
That's true, Oregonguy, but honor/loyalty is forever. I know that's not a huge thing to a lot of people but it is to me and, even though it has played out to my detriment in the past, I wouldn't abandon it. I'm the one who has to look me in the mirror every morning but then that's just me.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 8:09 pm
I forgot to add that after watching this show, if I ever met Jonathan in real life he's not anyone I would ever trust.
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Biscottiii
Member
05-29-2004
| Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 11:17 pm
YVW Lexie, that detail just about knocked me over frankly! It also explains the started smile/split change to poker face of Sundra. AND Yul's confidence that "we CAN accomodate". I so hope these four (even 5 w/Jonathan) manage to play it to the end. They're actually playing the game!
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Oregonguy
Member
02-12-2006
| Monday, November 27, 2006 - 5:06 am
honor/loyalty for my family,friends and coworkers. this is a show that has proven itself over the years that you cant be 100% honest or loyal or you will find yourself voted out. i'm sure when stephanie said that she wanted some mashed potatoes that she didnt expect her good friend nate to go back to camp and use that against her to get her kicked out. you get one oppurtunity at this game and you try to play it as honestly as you can but there will be times where you have to lie or make tough choices against an alliance member. if i was yul i would tell becky at f3 that my gut says that maybe i could beat you at f2 but im 100% positive i could beat jonathan. my opinion of becky is that she would totally understand the decision from a game perspective. i referenced the colby/tina situation from season 2 where colby professed his friendship and loyalty to tina in taking her to f2. i'd bet now, colby is lucky to get a xmas card from tina.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Monday, November 27, 2006 - 9:51 am
I don't think it matters whether Yul keeps Becky or Jonathan...I think he would win. I think he has more than proven himself to be a strong, smart competitor.
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Texasdeb
Member
05-23-2003
| Monday, November 27, 2006 - 12:02 pm
Yes but Ozzie is going to win this! I have a gut feeling about this one.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Monday, November 27, 2006 - 12:03 pm
Jon realizes he made a big mistake when he followed Candice in the mutiny. There is nothing he can do to repair that. As he told Yul, he wonders why they would even trust him. He knows he messed up. He put himself into a position where he really had no choice but to go along with Yul. The numbers were just against him. Think about it. He was the last person on the totem pole on either tribe. His choices were limited. 1. He could go along with Yul as he did, voting out Nate and wind up on the side of 5 to 3. Sure he is last in their loyalty, but he is still there, and as we have seen, things change rapidly. The main thing is to stay there. 2. He could have lied and promised to vote with Yul, but then betrayed Yul's confidence, gone to his tribe and told them that Yul had the idol and told them what Yul said about voting him out if he did not flip. He would have to have told them that the plan was to vote out Nate. Now what do you think Nate would have done. Just accepted that he was the sacrafice to force Yul to use the idol, or would he have gone to Yul and told on Jon. Then they would have voted Jon out anyway. But even if they did vote out one of the others, he is still in a situation where the votes are tied, AND he has Aitu mad at him. 3. He could have just told Yul that he was not going to flip, but that if they did not vote him out, he would not tell the others that Yul had the idol. A little reverse blackmail. Keeping the secret might have been enough to prevent Aitu from voting him out. However, he would still be in the tie position without even being able to tell the others that he had been loyal. What benefit would that be to him? He would still be odd man out with Betty, Veronica, and Jughead. (Love the reference and so apt.) AND again he would have Aitu mad at him. 4. He could have promised to vote with Yul, but not do so, forcing Yul to use the idol. Yul would have had to use the idol, Nate would have still have gone home and now Aitu would really be mad at him. He would have gained no advantage. And it would come out that he knew ahead of time that Nate was targeted. Would his tribe appreciate his actions. No, because it would result in Nate's going. They would be angry that he did not tell them Yul had the idol. So he would have ticked off BOTH tribes with nothing to show for it. No, Jon really had no choice if he wanted to stay. I don't much care for Jon, but in this case, he really had no choice. And we should be reminded again that lying and betraying are part of the game. If you can position yourself where you don't have to do that, fine, but few are able to do that. And every time you vote off a tribe member, you have betrayed someone. And if you do not tell them ahead of time, you have essentially lied to them. The only difference is that some are passive in their actions, while others are aggressive. The result is the same. Someone goes home and you stay. And to do that, you have to betray someone. And there have been evictions on both tribes that the evictee did not see coming. So everyone in the game has already lied to and betrayed someone else. So to be outraged is the epitome of hypocrisy. Again, I am more offended by the self righteous indignation from the players than I am by the actual actions. The hypocrisy among reality show contestants is unbelievable. It is like they are looking at themselves through the wrong end of the telescope.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Monday, November 27, 2006 - 12:10 pm
That is an excellent analysis but I think Jon had one more option. Tell Yul he was voting with them and then tell the others about Yul's idol and get them to vote for someone other than Yul which would keep the idol out of play altogether. I agree about the hypocrisy of some players.
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Monday, November 27, 2006 - 4:03 pm
Just for the record, my friendship can be bought with a car. If anyone would like my friendship, just email me and I will tell you where to send the Jag. That being said, I think that Yul could take anyone to the F2 and win.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Monday, November 27, 2006 - 7:10 pm
I've said all along that I could never win on Survivor because I'm too loyal and it would bite me in the end. I would like to know; however, why it is okay to call Adam, Pavarti and Candace names other than own?
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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 8:46 am
Yul can win against anyone except Ozzy. It would really be a toss up between those two.
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Whrlwnd
Member
10-13-2006
| Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 9:30 am
I agree! A final 2 between Yul & Ozzy would certainly be a tough choice for me if I were a juror. I think they've both played a respectable game. (but I'd have to vote for Ozzy in the end, b/c I'm in awe at his amazing physical abilities.)
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 9:58 am
lol...apparently he has some AWESOME physical abilities (but since I only have internet right now at work I haven't checked out his pre-Survivor performances!!!).
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Whrlwnd
Member
10-13-2006
| Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 10:21 am
Huh? Something tells me that's not what I meant. I'm referring to his swimming & climbing skills. I'm impressed at how he out swims everyone else, even though many of the others aren't bad swimmers either. Perhaps I should've said athletic abilities instead.
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Cndeariso
Member
06-28-2004
| Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 10:29 am
hi, whrlwnd. Ozzie apparently has performed on Playboy TV or something like that. And, there are pictures of it all over the net.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 10:35 am
My favorite is Ozzy as well...and as much as I like Yul, I believe Ozzy would be smart to take Jonathan to the final two... ...as would any member who wins final immunity, even Becky or Yul.
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Roxip
Member
01-29-2004
| Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 11:13 am
I'm just teasing Whirlwnd. And I think his athletic abilities ARE awesome too.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 11:40 am
I don't like Jonathan, and never have. But I have to admit that he'll likely make it to F2 if peeps there start thinking. I mean, he really has alienated pretty much everyone. If there are no Raro tribemates in the F2, then no one on the jury (those so far anyways) would vote against Raro as payback for getting ousted. Taking Jonathan to the finals could conceivably guarantee a vote for the other survivor. That said, I can't really see anyone voting FOR Jonathan to win because he's "played the game." And honestly, the way he's been playing just kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's not just surviving the elements there... it's also a social survival. And he's failed miserably with his flipping and flopping (kinda like the fish he catches). I dunno about Becky. I do kinda think she's hanging on Yul. Once he told her he had the HII, I think she quit really playing. Yeah, she's still doing good in the challenges, but I don't really see her doing much else. I like Sundra, but I don't think she's strong enough to make it to the finals. Truly, I think I'd like to see Yul and Ozzie at F2. I didn't like Ozzie at the beginning, but he's really gained my respect. He works hard, and he cracks me up when he scurries up a tree. I do think he could've hung on that pole for hours! I'm hoping Yul didn't make a mistake by telling the four that he has the HII. It could come back to bite him in the butt. Then again, those four may never vote FOR Yul, knowing that there's a possibility that one of them could go (the next highest number of votes). As far as the three remaining Raro tribemates... eeesh! Candace and Adam are bugging the heck outta me. Parvati seems to be a strong player, but I really disliked her flirting episodes. I hope that Candace goes to Exile Island again. And I hope Candace or Adam are booted this week, with the other one the following week. Then I hope Jonathan goes before Parvati, but Parvati should follow him. Wouldn't it be a kick if it does end up with the four Aitu members ending up in F4? They really have been playing well as a team. They work well together, and they've been playing smart on all the challenges. The really did crush Raro -- and it was kinda fun watching the egos of Nate and Adam getting smashed. (The strong hot guys got beat by Aitu? No way! Hehehe...)
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 1:57 pm
Costa, agree on your Jonathan comments. It seems that the jury never votes anymore based on 'playing the game'. The last time that happened was probably Mr. Hatch. Seems like the Jury votes are based more on who they like at the end or were they in an original alliance with them. I'd also love to see the 4 Aitu members in the final 4. They did kick butt and aren't at all cocky about it. Love that about them ! I doubt any Raro members will make inroads into the fearsome foursome. So, Jonathan is the key.
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Allietex
Member
08-16-2002
| Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 3:57 pm
Everytime I see Ozzy scamper up a tree, I think of the Jungle Book and Mogoli. LOL
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 4:24 pm
I can't believe the team didn't listen to Jonathan when he tried to hint Yul may have the Idol. Did they not think about booting one of the women to be safe? They are so set in their ways, they don't deserve to win. Jonathan did what he had to do to stay in the game. I'm rooting for Aitu all the way.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 4:29 pm
Isn't Jonathan the one that came back from EI and told Jeff at the IC that he searched for the II and it's not there so someone had it?
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