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Watching2
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07-07-2001

Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 12:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Watching2 a private message Print Post    
I'm with everyone who likes Ozzy and Yul best. :-)

Kitt
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09-06-2000

Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 12:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kitt a private message Print Post    
I think that might come back and bite Nate in the voting, should he get to the end. I liked Brad, I'm sad to see him go. Jonathan has annoyed me increasingly over the last few episodes and I'm not really sure why, so I wished he'd gone.

Although the "mutiny" twist was a clever one, I don't think it was very fair if they plan a merge soon. The smaller team could easily be picked off one at a time, I guess they just have to hope there's some internal strife in the other team.

I'd like it if the merge was put back a few weeks, but if the small team lose any immunity challenges the merge has to be soon - or another team rearrangement?

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 4:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Curlyq a private message Print Post    
Okay, since I brought it up here I'd like to clarify. I don't believe Jonathan is racist because he made that remark. I think he was foolish to make that remark without thinking about how it would sound, and I also think it's interesting that he backed it up with his actions.

Yes, his original tribe was all caucasian, but they were a divided tribe and most if not all had no use for him. So taking that into account, why would he want to see 4 caucasians in the finals? That's what makes it interesting. He'd rather go to the end with three kids that shut him out rather than stick with the people who actually welcomed him into their alliance and have the brains and skills to get to the end. After all this talk from the players about how the race division didn't matter, it was interesting to hear this comment. I could write it off as Jonathan just trying to tell Candice what she wanted to hear at that moment, but he actually put his own game in jeopardy by stepping on that mat just so he could rejoin the caucasians.

Again, I'm not saying it's racist or wrong. It's just interesting human behavior that someone would choose to stick with what's familiar in a situation like this, even if it's to their detriment in the long run. It's really like observing a social experiment. That is the kind of thing the producers were probably wondering about when they came up with the race division idea to begin with.

Perhaps there's more to it, like Jonathan worried the other original Raros would think he had turned on them if he was the only one to stay with Aitu. Yet they didn't leave their tribe, so I don't know about that.

Chiliwilli, I for one can assure you that I'd find it just as interesting if any of the other contestants actively plotted to keep the other races out of the final 4 no matter what his or her ethnicity was. I even read complaints on another board when Becky and Yul chose each other for allies because they were both Korean. I don't feel it's fair to make a blanket accusation that everyone discussing the subject is just down on the caucasians. It's simply interesting to observe whether or not the players' actions contradict their claims that race doesn't play a role in this game.

Chiliwilli
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09-04-2006

Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 5:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chiliwilli a private message Print Post    
Curlyq, I said 'some' of you. If you took that as a 'blanket' statement meaning everyone, I'm sorry. That's not what I meant. I, too, would find it interesting if it were any of the races who said it. I don't read any other boards so I don't know what they are saying. I'm a little leary of saying too much here cuz I don't want to get in trouble by being misunderstood again. In my opinion, if any other race person had made the remark that Jonathon did there wouldn't be that much said about it in general. There would always be some who would speak up though. Does that sound better, I hope?

I don't think Jonathon meant it to be racial either. I think he bailed because he knows how tight Yul and Becky are and that Yul or Ozzie can beat him in the challenges whether physical or mental. Yul is not going to ever vote against Becky. With the other tribe, possibly he thinks he has more of a chance because having 4 white people (if they stick together) would give them the majority alliance even after the merge. He probably foresees a merge quickly and wants to establish his alliances before it happens. Little does he know . . .

A better strategy for him may have been to stay on that tribe, ally with Ozzie and get Ozzie to understand they needed to break up the Becky/Yul thing and also nullify the immunity idol if Yul has it before the merge.

Whrlwnd
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10-13-2006

Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 7:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Whrlwnd a private message Print Post    
I don't give Johnathan that much credit for thinking about the switch. I think he had this misguided belief that he & Candace had a tight alliance. (Guess he hasn't seen the goo-goo eyes she's been making at Adam.) When she stepped forward in the last second, he reacted on impulse, & stepped forward, too -- b/c he thinks they are a team.

However, I think he had a tighter alliance w/ Yul than w/ Candace, though, & would've been better off staying w/ Aitu.

Personally, though, I'm glad he (& C) left Aitu, because it made Ozzy safer, and seemed to bond these remaining 4 closer. I hope these 4 will remain bonded even after the merge. I sure don't think any of them will be re-joining forces w/ C or J after the merge.

Puckerbutt
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07-21-2001

Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 9:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Puckerbutt a private message Print Post    
I hope this isn't too controversial to say, but -

I'm hoping the final four will be one caucasion, one hispanic, one black, and one asian - not necessarily in that order.

I also hope that there will be two males and two females in that group.

Lastly ... I would also enjoy the show more if Jeff Probst looked like Bele - or maybe Lokai - from the planet Cheron.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 11:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
Lastly ... I would also enjoy the show more if Jeff Probst looked like Bele - or maybe Lokai - from the planet Cheron.


Okay, you lost me here.

Rehtse
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08-17-2005

Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Rehtse a private message Print Post    
In re Nathan: I personally have never cared for him. My indifference for him grew after I found out that he was the brother of the guy who comes out on the Daily 10 (or whatever the show is called) on E! I don't know if I am right or wrong, but I sort of get the impression that his brother was able to pull strings in order for him to get on Survivor. Will someone please vote this guy off the show???? Just a thought.

Mamabatsy
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08-05-2005

Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mamabatsy a private message Print Post    
This Survivor seems to have a lot of people who are already connected to "the business." Rebecca works for The View, Jonathan is a working actor/producer (as opposed to all the wannabes they've had in the past), Nathan has family ties. That's a lot more than one would expect randomly.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 12:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
It's not random. If you read anything before the show started, you would have read that Mark Burnett said they recruited people for this edition. There was talk about how many actors or LA connected people were on this show this time around.

Nerovh
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06-11-2005

Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 1:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Nerovh a private message Print Post    
I thought Nate looked familiar! He looks kinda like his brother. I never cared much for that guy on the Daily 10, now I know why I'm not overly fond of Nate, besides his atitude.

Eeyoreslament
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07-20-2003

Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 1:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Eeyoreslament a private message Print Post    
Well the girl who was crying after winning (Sundra?) was listed as "ACTRESS" when they were showing her in her interviews the other night.

Snee
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06-26-2001

Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 11:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Snee a private message Print Post    
who is nate's brother?

Landi
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07-29-2002

Saturday, November 11, 2006 - 11:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Landi a private message Print Post    
His brother is Selema "Sal" Masekela of E!'s the Daily 10.

Native_texan
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08-24-2004

Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 7:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Native_texan a private message Print Post    
Jeff Probst has stated in interviews that they had a very hard time recruiting enough people.

Chicagolooper
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05-09-2004

Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 9:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chicagolooper a private message Print Post    
Do they have to now "recruit" people for survivor? I have been disappointed with the current series because of a sense of sameness -- I cannot explain easily. If they would open it up to regular people and limit it to regular people, I would find it much more compelling.

While I am at it, let me also say I am becoming bored with the challenges - they have these athletic contests and then the inevitable puzzle pieces. Enough puzzles. The show needs to get back to basics. Regular people like truck drivers and working people, challenges based on a variety of things and not just centered on athletics, and tasks that may give them more to do around camp than just sit around.

I am afraid that if they don't get back to the basics, the show will lose the interest of the masses.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Karuuna a private message Print Post    
I think the problem was that they had a hard time recruiting since they were trying to fit them into the four ethnic groups? That's what I recall hearing.

Spoton
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09-16-2005

Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spoton a private message Print Post    
I actually have really liked the competitions this season. They are very inventive with all of their props and the actual challenges. Dropping cannonballs from a glass bottom boat? Cool!! And the barrel-roll was a riot! I'd love to work on the crew who makes and tests these games.

Spoton
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09-16-2005

Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 10:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spoton a private message Print Post    
Also...I have to admit that I'm enjoying this group of survivors much more than I thought. When I heard that they recruited players and that they were mostly "industry" related (actors, et al), I thought, well, yuck. But they are all just real people, interacting like any other group of strangers on a wacky-camp-out would be. I don't even have any one in particular who I root against. (actually, I kind of miss having a true "bad boy"!)

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 11:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jimmer a private message Print Post    
I'm enjoying this group as well. While I don't like what we've seen of all of them, I still enjoy watching them. I don't have to like how someone is to still enjoy watching the game.

I don't care that much if they were recruited as long as they are playing an unscripted game. I love the diversity this season!

Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 12:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Seamonkey a private message Print Post    
There was an article in my paper before the season started, bemaoning the fact that almost all of the survivors were recruited actor wannabes with agents simply because they planned to manipulate the outcome to have the four racial/ethnic groupings.

And clearly they didn't advertise what they wanted. Sigh. This was the season Pamy's Bill didn't apply and as she said.. there would have been more spaces for Bill and he's not an actor and he can swim and survive! Dang!

However, I don't get the idea from most of them that they are there only to be outrageous or gain fame.. I'd say Jessica/Flicka seemed a bit clueless about things, first not wanting to strategize and later being a total pest about it, so she may have been recruited simply for her "look".

Snee
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06-26-2001

Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 12:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Snee a private message Print Post    
thanks for the info, landi. i don't get E! though, so i don't know who sal is. oh well.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
maybe they had a hard time recruiting since Erika was in the BB house :-)

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 4:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I didn't like Ozzy much at the beginning, but I've been really imnpressed with him lately. He's one heckuva hard worker.

I don't really like Candace, but I am impressed with her strength. She is a contender in the challenges, and if folks don't see that soon, they may regret it.

I love the mutiny twist with the "first on the jury" twist. I think that it may have chilled Nate and others to think that the guy they just ousted is the first on the jury. Hehehe.

I've not liked Jonathan and still don't. I think he's basically playing too hard, but he's not playing smart. He thinks Candace is all about the original team to the final four, but Candace was all about getting back with Adam and Parvati (the two most alike her). Nate pegged it though... Jonathan just screwed his own team, and so won't be getting a free pass from Aitu now. So he's stuck with Raro and when they merge, he'll be one of the first they'll pick off.

There are a lot flying under the radar this year. Becky. Yul. Jenny (who I don't like for some reason).

Snee
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06-26-2001

Sunday, November 12, 2006 - 9:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Snee a private message Print Post    
i don't like jenny either. i think it's because of the way she acted regarding christina. she just couldn't leave it alone.