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Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
LOL... that's OK Tk4x5! Sometimes even *I* forget where I am sometimes! <wink>

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
TK I agree. His self imposed power made me snicker at times. I have to give Ozzy credit. He kicked ass and kept his game clean. I'd be stunned if he lost.

Tk4x5
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07-10-2004

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tk4x5 a private message Print Post    
Wow .... everytime the camera cuts to Jonothan he has a really sinister sneer on his face! It looks really ugly!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Also, I think quite a few of the jury members (if not all) blame Yul for their exodus from survivor. Whether it's true or not, they saw him as instrumental in getting each one voted off.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Brad wants to know about Oz since he'd only had seconds of convo with him.
Asked for his most difficult thing to overcome in his life. Oz teared up talking about the relationship he tried to have with his father....

Wow! Jon is questioning Yul's integrity, telling half truths and such... said he's polite like a politician...

Tk4x5
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07-10-2004

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tk4x5 a private message Print Post    
Jonothan is really really bitter!

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Costa...if that is true, their vote could go either way...some may want the one who was instrumental in their demise to be the last one standing, others may hold a grudge?????

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Exactly Costa and if a person can't properly convey to that jury why they eliminated them, which means major sucking up and making them feel like they were a threat, then chances are karma becomes a wench and they aren't gonna vote for you in the end.

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Back with the jury's turn.

NATE: "Snap!" He says he has to give them props for how they did in the game. He talks to Yul playing it like the big gangsta boss. He says Ozzy is the other side of the coin, says he seems him as the warrior aspect. He wants to know how he played a better strategy game than Yul? He says he was the one who convinced his tribe to get rid of Billy. He says that after his tribe was gone, he played for himself from that point on. He says he played up his being the surfer dude thing. Just relied on himself.

Nate asks Becky why she deserves a million dollars over those two? She says she knows she was lucky to be aligned with the people she was aligned with. She says, though, that it wasn't Yul making decisions by himself.

Jeff asks if Nate was satisifed. Nate says no and he's says he's being real. He wonders if she is saying she was the boss instead? She says no, that's her point, there was no boss. They made decisions together. She brings up the biggest risk she thinks she took by not taking the idol Yul offered her at the end.

JENNY: She wants to know what Yul thinks is more important in winning the game? Strategy or Physical aspect? He says obviously he thinks it's a social strategy game. Says he let Ozzy take some of the heat for the physical stuff purposely.

PARVATI: Congratulates them all. She wants Becky to convince her that she wants to win this game. Becky says she is not a sneaky person and never wanted to regret making the decisions she made.

REBECCA: Congratulates them. Asks Yul and Ozzy ... says she is torn between them. She wants to know why they don't deserve the money or they do? Yul is talking about minorities and wanting America to see them as they truly are. Ozzy says he has similar interests and goals as Yul. He wants to change the stereotypes, etc. He thinks what he has done is going to change the view of what is a Mexican. Thinks he can become a positive role model for kids out there.

ADAM: Says that they have been painfully boring during tribal councils. Wants them to get to the point and he wants Ozzy to talk trash about these two about why they shouldn't win it. Doesn't want Ozzy to talk about himself. He says ok... starts with Yul and says he doesn't think Yul always worked as hard as he could have. He says the same thing about Becky and riding coattails and points out the firemaking and how that should be something you can do.

CANDICE: Thinks it's cool that they made it after the mutiny. She doesn't want Yul to beat around the bush. Says she is going to ask him Yes/No questions and doesn't want to hear anything else. She clarifies that she won't for him if he answers anything else. She says her impression is that he's been shamefully working the jury. Is that true? Yes or NO? Jury laughs at how Yul is thinking here. He finally says, "Yes." She thanks him and says she knows how hard that was for him. He laughs and says, "Well, shameful..." She interrupts and the others laugh... he is quick to point out he had already answered her YES/NO part. She says she doesn't know, she'll have to think on that.

BRAD: Wants to know the most challenging experience in Ozzy's life? He says his relationship he's had with his father - about how he's always had to make the effort to get to know his father and family in Mexico. Says it's hard to know that the person who created you doesn't want you around or whatever. He takes a moment here to get back his compsure. Yul and Becky patting him on the back here. Brad thanks him for sharing.

SUNDRA: One thing they have discovered about themselves or life in general from being in this game. Ozzy: Pure love. Says there is nothing here except your mind, etc. Says it's really about loving and cherishing every single moment. Becky talking about always wanting to know what time it is, etc. She says it was scary to let go of having to have a schedule. Has learned to take a moment for herself. YUL: New-found self-confidence in himself. Just to know that he can make it all the way, he believes in himself and do the things he is passitionate about. Sundra says she loves them.

JONATHAN: Congratulates them. Says he is thrilled for the three of them. Jonathan says Yul is a very polite person. Joking about Yul being like a politician. He wants to know how telling half-truths, which are also half-lies, is in keeping with his intnegrity, etc. Yul says what he says is true but this is a game and he'd never do that outside of the game. Yul says if you look at the overall game, he stayed true to core people.

Jonathan moves on to Ozzy. Says he has found Ozzy arrogant or entitled - acts as if he is a prince. Jonathan says he is a little uncomfortable giving a million dollars to a 25 year old with a sense of entitlement. Wants to know what Ozzy would do with that million - wants him to convince him that he should give it to him. Ozzy says he'd go back to school so he could do that without owing money to someone else and then try to do something to change the world.

Moment for the jury to think.

Tk4x5
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07-10-2004

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tk4x5 a private message Print Post    
Jon told Yul his "half truths" were also "half lies" and asked him to explain himself on how he could look someone in the face lie and then expect the money?

Jon asked Ozzy why he should give a 25 yr old kid with an entitlement complex the money and what would he do with it if he did!

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
I personally thought Yul sounded like he was full of shit many times when people would go to him to talk about the game and what was up with the votes. I just wasn't as impressed with his game as some and the only thing I can give him credit for is having the II but even the way he finally revealed that he did have it just came off smug durring the auction.

Robinyyes
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07-06-2004

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Robinyyes a private message Print Post    
I actually like that Jon is calling Yul on his stealthy ways...

Tk4x5
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07-10-2004

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tk4x5 a private message Print Post    
Well C1, you and I agree about Yul, no doubt. Sometimes it was just stomach churning, like it is in BB when someone is the HoH but Yul had the power for a lot of the season with the idol!

Dee
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08-08-2000

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 7:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Dee a private message Print Post    
West Coast here - thank you for the spoilers!

At the point everyone found out about Yul having the Immunity Idol, they should have taken care of that situation at the very next vote. All they had to do was make sure Yul had most of the votes with the other votes going to the person who was the real target.

That way, Yul would have had to produce the Immunity Idol, the 2nd place person would have been gone and Yul would have been without his "security blanket" for the rest of the game.

I wonder if this ever discussed by the tribe members during the season.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 8:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
I agree C1. Smug smug smug! <wink>

Kookliebird
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08-04-2005

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 8:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kookliebird a private message Print Post    
Did anyone else see Ozzy as someone with an entitlement complex? I sure didn't.

Chy
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07-19-2003

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 8:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Chy a private message Print Post    
Well, anyone else surprised that Jon gave it to Yul?

Bonbonlover
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07-13-2000

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 8:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Bonbonlover a private message Print Post    
Kookliebird...I am taken back by that statement...I never thought he was entitled to a thing

Raenstorm
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07-16-2004

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 8:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Raenstorm a private message Print Post    
Time to get to the vote. Jury voting for a winner. Brad voting first.

Jonathan votes for YUL. Says he admires them all tremendously and the game that they played but thinks Yul outplayed them all.

Parvati votes for Ozzy. Calls him the ultimate competitor. Says the fire that he brought to this game completely captivated her. Says he played his heart out and he totally deserves to win this game.

TALLY HO, JEFF!

And, of course, he doesn't count them here... says they will have to wait until we get home. Off he goes.

Tk4x5
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07-10-2004

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 8:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tk4x5 a private message Print Post    
Dee, if it was ever discussed, I never heard it. Never discussed on camera. What I saw more was Yul making sure people didn't have long conversations that he was in on or knew the content of!

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 8:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Costacat a private message Print Post    
Dee, I think by the time it was revealed that Yul had the II, the rest of the Raro tribe was pretty decimated. I'm not sure they would've had the numbers. And wasn't that about the time Yul threatened Jonathan? So they wouldn't have had the numbers to get Yul out anyways, I think. (I agree, though... I always thought they should've forced his hand, and wiped that smug look off his face!)

C1mag
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07-12-2005

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 8:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send C1mag a private message Print Post    
Costa hahahaha How have you been? and Merry Christmas btw :-)

Cruzlvr
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11-13-2003

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 8:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cruzlvr a private message Print Post    
umm, was Becky even one of the final 3? How many asked her questions - - 1 or 2. Did you see the look on her face by the end. It was like, "is anyone going to ask me anything?"

Oregonguy
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02-12-2006

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 8:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oregonguy a private message Print Post    
does wanting ozzy to win mean that you have to bash yul?

Tk4x5
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07-10-2004

Sunday, December 17, 2006 - 8:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Tk4x5 a private message Print Post    
No Kooklie I never saw it with Ozzy ... I think his winning so many competitions and his desire to win made Jon uneasy. Never saw entitlement with Ozzy!