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Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 7:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
who's rule is it? the government's? i've never heard such a thing. does the 1 drop rule apply to other races mixed with caucasians or just African Americans? this is the first i have ever heard of this.

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 7:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Pamy a private message Print Post    
I think back in the day when you filled out questions regarding race the 1 drop rule applied...not positive though

when I have filled out those for my son I ck white and A/A...I refuse to check 'other'!

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 7:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
That's right, Pamy ... especially during the jim crowe days ...

Konamouse
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07-16-2001

Tuesday, August 29, 2006 - 10:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Konamouse a private message Print Post    
I meant ask Landi about her experience at her audition - and what kinds of folks she saw there. Of course I know her ethnicity.

I have no idea why Bill hasn't been called. But I really doubt they purposefully exclude him for being A/A. Burnett & Probst have said they get relatively few applications from non-caucasians.

Let's say 50,000 applications. If 10% are from non-white, that is 5000. If only 1% of applications make it to the next round that is 500 folks total and only 5 non-white. That's just to the personal interview part. Still a lot more cut here to get down to the final 20.

It's really competative. I would suggest that Bill continue to submit. Change up the video. Look at audition videos for those who were picked and doing something that makes you stand out from the crowd in the first 5 seconds.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya!

'squeek'

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 5:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
oh, i see! sorry, mouse, i misunderstood.

bill looks like a fine candidate to me. i can't understand why he would have been excluded either.

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 6:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
I guess I can't expect everyone to know what the 1-drop rule is when it wouldn't apply to them lol. But it is as Pamy explained it. No matter if it was your great-great-great-great grandmother who was black then you're considered black. No matter what the mixture.

So Spear I really don't get your statistics, if you're a minority race then you're a minority no matter what the mixture. But for the sake of your argument, Alicia is mixed.

And I still don't buy that crap that they get relatively few apps from minorities.

Ladytex
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09-27-2001

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 6:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ladytex a private message Print Post    
because they didn't make any effort to increase diversity in past seasons ... 2 minorities - 3 max per season, but now all of a sudden they are all concerned ... pffttt, it's all a ratings ploy

Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 6:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
i'm not trying to be silly here, i really just haven't heard of this before. so, am i considered Cherokee then since my great-great-great-grandmother on my father's side was?

Babyruth
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07-19-2001

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 6:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyruth a private message Print Post    
Here's some info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 6:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
No Cnd I think this is just a rule for black people.

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 6:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Kaili a private message Print Post    
A guy I know has no drops of Hispanic blood technically, but his father was born in Argentina so he got grants for college for being Hispanic...he's almost red headed and covered in freckles. Ridiculous. His dad is totally American except by birth circumstance. I thought he should be embarrassed to walk into the multicultural center looking like he does to get his "minority status financial aid".

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 7:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
The one-drop theory (or one-drop rule) is a historical colloquial term for the standard, found throughout the United States of America, that holds that a person with even a tiny portion of non-white ancestry ("one drop of non-white blood") should be classified as "colored", especially for the purposes of laws forbidding interracial marriage. It is an ethnocentric concept based on the idea of human hierarchy.

The one-drop theory arises curious cases. For instance, all the British Royal Family might be of African ancestry, because of descent from Margarita de Castro e Souza, a Portuguese of possibly mixed origins, who was known at her time for having a "Moorish" appearance.

This notion of invisible/intangible membership in a "racial" group has seldom been applied to people of Native American ancestry (see Race in the United States for details). The notion has also been applied to the idea of solely black ancestry. Langston Hughes wrote, "You see, unfortunately, I am not black. There are lots of different kinds of blood in our family. But here in the United States, the word 'Negro' is used to mean anyone who has any Negro blood at all in his veins. In Africa, the word is more pure. It means all Negro, therefore black. I am brown."[1]

link

Mocha
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08-12-2001

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 7:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mocha a private message Print Post    
Lol great minds Br.

Babyruth
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07-19-2001

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 7:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Babyruth a private message Print Post    


Cndeariso
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06-28-2004

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 7:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cndeariso a private message Print Post    
thanks, i had no idea such existed. didn't mean to hijack the thread.

Jan
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08-01-2000

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 10:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Jan a private message Print Post    
Isn't it much like the fact that Tiger Woods is always known as a black or AA golfer - even though he is 50% Thai through his Mom ( who is 100% Thai) and his dad was of totally mixed race with only about a half being AA ??

Mameblanche
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08-24-2002

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 10:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Mameblanche a private message Print Post    
In WWII there were many people who were sent to the death camps who did not consider themselves Jewish, but it turned out that someone in their family tree was Jewish, so it was curtains for them... so its not a unique concept. Although it may not have been labelled the 'one-drop'... Hatred and ignorance always seems to find a way to separate people from the general populace. People of all colours and stripes who are simply trying to get through this life unscathed.

Spear
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08-06-2001

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 10:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    

quote:

So Spear I really don't get your statistics, if you're a minority race then you're a minority no matter what the mixture. But for the sake of your argument, Alicia is mixed.


Yes, I see your point and the way I did it doesn't match how the census numbers are calculated. (I also forgot about Alicia.) Ultimately, the US Census Bureau relies on people to identify themselves and does have a category for "two or more races", so I guess it all depends on what ethnicity the contestant chooses.

Anyway, if we assume a one-drop rule for all non-whites and if we treat all Hispanics as minorities, I believe that adds up to 27/184 or 14.7% minorities in the pool of Survivor contestants.

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 4:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Ketchuplover a private message Print Post    
GM has dropped their sponsorship. I'm caucasian.
Not that there's anything wrong with that :-)

Spear
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08-06-2001

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 5:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Spear a private message Print Post    
Apparently, GM backed out months ago and it had nothing to do with the "segregation" theme. LINK

I wonder what they'll do for the late-stage Reward Challenge where they used to give out one or more GM vehicles?

Cokegirl
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03-08-2004

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 9:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Cokegirl a private message Print Post    
Wow, I have never heard of the one drop rule before! You really do learn something new every day. I guess my Mom was right, my whole family is Heinz 57. LOL
I think I'll just wait and watch the show to see how it plays out.

Oldtex
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03-06-2006

Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - 10:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Oldtex a private message Print Post    
I'll bet the majority of current US Citizens are as Cockegirl is - Heinz 57. But through many generations, it was "hidden" from family trees.

I have several family members and friends of mixed race and well, I think it's great! We have learned so much from one another and everyone gets along great. Just as it should be. IMHO!

Lumbele
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07-12-2002

Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 5:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Lumbele a private message Print Post    
If the producers can "recruit" ethnic contestants now, they could have done that before, too. And apparently, they didn't even bother to check into those who applied even a little bit.
This division is making me very uncomfortable. It seems to invite an "us" against "them" mentality, not just in the players, but the viewers as well.

Why not recruit tribes of different occupations and let *them* duke it out?

For now I will wait and see how the show handles their latest publicity stunt. Who knows, maybe it actually *will* foster some *real* discussion between the different groups.
However, I will kick this show to the curb so fast if it confirms my weariness about this concept. The pocket book is the only dictionary these people consult.

Heyltslori
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09-15-2001

Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 6:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Heyltslori a private message Print Post    
Lum, I agree with your whole post. The division is making me very uncomfortable as well. I just don't see what good can come of it. I think it's great that there is equal representation this season...but I just don't understand the need to divide the people. Personally, I'd like to see them remain as one large group for the whole show. They could divide into random teams for competitions, but I'd like to see them live as one large group right from day one.

I'll watch to see what happens, because I love the show and I am giving them the benefit of the doubt for now...but I sure have a bad feeling about it.


Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 8:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post Send Auntiemike a private message Print Post    
I LOVE the idea of one large group and random teams for the competitions. That would make it very interesting. Alliances would quickly be obvious too, I would think.