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Native_texan
Member
08-24-2004
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 3:16 pm
Costa, would that word be like "showmance" moved the "s" to after the "o" and "wmance" removed?
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 3:18 pm
LOL NT....I'm thinkin' so
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Scout
Member
01-20-2005
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 3:30 pm
I am totally rooting for Ozzy. He's the best swimmer and possbily the best athlete that's ever been on Survivor. Plus, he knows how to keep his mouth shut. I'm hoping he and Yul make it to the final two.
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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 4:13 pm
Did Jenna and ??? ask Candice if she had anything going on with Billy?
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Sallycat22
Member
08-31-2005
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 4:35 pm
I think the third is Yul & Becky. Remember when she said "...I just don't put my head in his lap." (Refering to Adam & Candice's displays)
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 4:53 pm
Yul told Candice that Jonathon was selfish and then when Candice called him out on it in front of Jonathon, Yul told Jonathon he said self involved. That was a lie in my book.
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Rosie
Member
11-12-2003
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 4:59 pm
I heard Becky call Yul, Baby, last night.
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Regee
Member
10-09-2005
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 5:31 pm
What was the winking that Nate and Parvati? Did any one else catch that?
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 5:38 pm
I thought I had heard Yul call him self involved.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 5:55 pm
I think Candice was rude to tell Jonahan what others said about him. Didn't she even go so far as to say that nobody liked him. Yul was put on the spot. Maybe he didn't want to hurt Jonathan's feelings and thus was reluctant to admit what he said. I was glad to see Candice go after that.
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Pdxmom
Member
08-08-2006
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 6:22 pm
Yul is really jumping the gun on his F2 thoughts. He fully intends to be there, and it will just be a matter of who he wants to take with him. We've seen others get a bit to cocky at this point. I felt like I saw a bit of arrogance from him about that last night. And I also don't think Ozzy is in Yul's future. He seems to be the odd man out in the Aitu group and I think he'll be the first one they gun for. Ozzy better make sure he captures that II from here on out as often as he possibly can, or he'll be toast.
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Bonbonlover
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 7:08 pm
Did Jenna and ??? ask Candice if she had anything going on with Billy? they did discuss this a bit...???? said to Candice, "so I have heard that Billy is going to ask you out at the reunion special. What are you going to say" {maybe Billy told Jenna and ??? that he was going to ask...IDN) Candice and Jenna both giggled. Candice said, hey he is really nice. He called her before the show aired and told her what to expect, and he was reallly nice...???said well now it is clear you wont be going out with Adam, so maybe there is a possibility you will say yes. More giggles and Jenna said you give a polite refusal...
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 7:42 pm
I think Jonathon handled Candace's accusations beautifully! He probably knew she was telling at least some truth, but he never rose to the bait. Had HE been upset, nothing Becky nor Yul would have said would have meant anything. Jonathon, though, saw it for the play it was, didn't let it bug him and helped to vote her out. Liked him a LOT more at that point!
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 8:20 pm
It's so funny how everyone sees everything differently because last night made me dislike Jonathon more which I didn't think was possible and made me dislike Yul a lot. By the way, I was mistaken. Yul did not say 'self-involved' he said 'self-interested.' At the beginning of the show though Yul did say to Candice that Jonathon was 'selfish and rational' and this helped make him an easy read and predictable for Yul. Yul, Becky and Sundra are only keeping Ozzie around for the numbers until they absolutely don't need him anymore. I hope Ozzie gets a clue along with Becky and they turn the tables.
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Bluejaxrock
Member
04-23-2004
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 8:25 pm
Guess I'm the oddball around here, lol. I liked Johnathan from the get-go. No reason. I disliked Nate from the get-go. Again, no real reason. Maybe I base it on "who would I rather go have a beer and play some pool with". After watching Nate last night on the jury, I really don't like him. Love the Henny Penny reference earlier in the thread. Really, these "people" (I use that term loosely) think that just because they're young and beautiful (at least in their own minds) they don't have to exert any energy to obtain food/fire/shelter/whatever. I mean, they weren't that far away that they wouldn't be able to see Ozzy and/or Johnathan fishing, someone prepping the fire and fish, or even smell the fish cooking! What, they want room service? imho, Yul owes Johnathan big-time. Johnathan noticed Yul was becoming uncomfortable with Candace's calling him out, and Johnathan stepped in and basically took the heat off of Yul and focused Candace on him (J) again. I think Ozzy is an amazing physical competitor, and I'd like to see him in the F2. If not, then Yul and J would be a great F2 - if only for the drama. Methinks it will only get better.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 10:02 pm
Blue, I've been a Jonathan fan from the get-go and I like him even more after last night. I think he is my favorite Survivor ever. I don't think he has any chance of making it to final two, but I know I'm going to enjoy watching every episode he is in until his fall. I think it's not really fair to accuse Yul of lying about the selfish/self-interested thing. Time passed between these two conversations and Yul might have only remembered his intent in that conservation and not his exact words. Even if he did remember exactly what he said and changed it I think he had every right to because Candace was trying to force him to say something that he said in supposed confidence which is a knife in the back in this game and that deserves a knife right back atcha to the person that does it.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 10:37 pm
As I said above, I find Jonathan incredibly entertaining for a few reasons. I think he is a smart hard working guy who very clearly sees himself and his actions on the show. He has done some things on the show that have shocked him. He's not backing down, he's not proud of what he has done but at the same time he's playing the game. His lack of hypocrisy is rather refreshing. I also like Yul a lot. He is playing a good game but his apparent arrogance may be his downfall.
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Eeyoreslament
Member
07-20-2003
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 10:56 pm
Bluejax - I've liked Jonathan too. Maybe not actively choosing him as a favorite, but I recognize all of his moves as game-oriented or strategic. I don't begrudge someone who plays the game.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:23 pm
I don't think Yul had any reason to expect Candice to hold his confidence; afterall, he has made it crystal clear she is not a part of his alliance and will be one of the first ones he wants out. She owed him no loyalty. The way I saw it was Candice outed them all with the truth and Yul 'rearranged' his wording (lied) to try to cover himself somewhat. It was a very stupid move on Candice's part but at least she had the story totally accurate.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:51 pm
Chili, I'm not sure that she had it so 'accurate' She said that everyone SAID that they couldn't stand Jonathan and she lumped Yul into that bunch and I don't think Yul ever said that to her. Candace was trying to publicly humiliate Jonathon and if I were Yul I wouldn't want my words twisted to help her do that. I don't believe that Yul and Becky dislike Jonathan that much. They don't like his past actions and they were surprised when he mutinied, but they have enough sense and intelligence to think about what he did rationally and understand the actions and not take them personally. I think that Jonathan is even slowly winning over Ozzy. They are still very wary of Jonathan, but it's because they know that he is THINKING, unlike the the rest of them. The funniest thing about the whole exchange is that she is the one they kept sending to Exile Island so you would think she would get a clue that people disliked her more and trusted her less than Jonathan, but I guess that is beside the point.
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Chiliwilli
Member
09-04-2006
| Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 4:38 am
I watched again to get it right and I gotta say I did not need to see the eel throw up his dinner. I think you may be right, Azriel. Possibly I let my intense dislike of Jonathon override my thought process. In rewatching, I did not see Yul actually say to Candice that he disliked Jonathon. It did show Sundra, Becky and Yul talking at one time where they were bad mouthing Jonathon about how annoying and arrogant he was. Parvati overheard this conversation because it showed her discussing it with Adam. And, I'm pretty sure that if Adam or Parvati heard something then they told Candice about it. The extra clips on CBS.com also showed Parvati and Adam joining the conflict at the raft when Candice confronted Jonathon about not sharing the food. Adam and Parvati both reiterated that every single person there had said at some time that none of them liked Jonathon. While it hasn't come right out and shown the nitty gritty of it all, I think it's safe to say that they have all badmouthed Jonathon to each other and it finally came out. I do believe that Yul, Becky and Sundra dislike Jonathon totally but they have their plan laid out and didn't want to change it up quite yet. They did discuss changing it after the rc and apparently decided to stick with the plan. Also, in the extra clips there is the one of tribal council where they are voting and saying why they voted the way they did. Every Aitu member except Ozzie said they really liked Candice but the reason they voted for her was because of the mutiny.
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Lateeda
Member
12-01-2006
| Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 7:01 am
Longtime lurker, first time poster...let's see how this goes. For the most part, my thoughts/opinions seem to get mentioned by someone so I never felt the need to chime in. Secondly, my main objective coming here is to read the spoilers, I'm not good w/surprises! (I snoop for Christmas gifts, too) But no one has said what I've been thinking about on this subject yet, so here goes: I don't feel that "arrogance" is as befitting an adjective for Candace, Parvati and Adam as is "lacking in responsibility and maturity". As the mother of teenagers and the aunt of a niece & nephew in their early 20's, this is normal behavior. I'd say MOST - not all- kids under 25 do not 'step up' and offer to work if others, especially parental figures, are willing to do the work. So in regards to Jonathan - who as a Dad should know better - deciding to not feed the three AT THE TIME THEY ARE GETTING READY TO EAT, instead of letting them know beforehand, was wrong. What do I mean beforehand? Simple, as a parent (this is Jonathan) you don't discipline a child w/out first letting them know the rules/boundaries. If he felt that only those who help out, work for the meals should get to eat, (which he spoke of several times this bothering him)then he should have said, "Look, I don't mind catching the fish for everyone, but if you want to eat it, you need to help out at least w/the cooking, fire building, cleaning, etc. If not, then don't expect me to catch enough fish for those of you who choose to do nothing." You can't make someone suffer consequences for their behavior -which up until that moment had been accepted! - w/out first letting them know that their actions were less than acceptable. Of course Candace blew her top! If I had been taking a nap every afternoon, not knowing Jonathan & the others preferred me to help go get water, then when I get up and someone says, "No water for you!" I think I'd blow my top, too! Now, I'm not saying that I think the 3 were right to be so lazy, but if no one TELLS them, trust me, very few young adults "get it", that their behavior is seen as negative in others' eyes. And to comment on a post about their "sense of entitlement"...well, DUH! That's a majority of our country's population. I'll try not to generalize, but we as a culture have racked up HUGE credit card debt out of a sense of entitlement. The idea of saving, planning, budgeting doesn't come in to play very often as most people want what they want NOW, so they just charge it. The idea is "I'm basically a good person, I deserve this, why should *I* wait? So-n-so has a big screen TV, I deserve one too. I work...I pay my bills... And this thought-process is very evident in our youth, who get what they want at a very young age w/out doing chores, saving, etc. Not that my kids are lacking (though to hear them tell it we rival the Flintstones in terms of having updated technology!), but I sometimes think I have the only teenagers and pre-teens in America who do not own their own cellphones! So, I'm not trying to excuse C/A/P's behavior, but I can understand it, and see how the confrontation about not sharing food could have been avoided. I do feel Jonathan was in the wrong to make such a call before talking to them, and I was very surprised at Yul's willingness to go along w/it. Whew - this got to be longer than I expected, especially for a first post, heehee. I'll try to keep any future comments to just a novella's length. 
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Sallycat22
Member
08-31-2005
| Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 7:29 am
Welcome Lateeda....I think that the three left out of the eating, must have watched Survivor shows before. This is always an issue. It usually is between older & younger players. The problem is that in the challenges, the youth are not only younger and stronger, but rested and well fed. Now that there has been a merge it is especially vital. The worker bees come off as complaining and doing nothing about it. This time they changed the game. It didn't seem planned...as they kinds discussed it around the group and liked the idea. They all say how they learned so much on their Survivor experience. I say this worker/slacker thing might be a good place to start. Look forward to reading more of your posts.
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Slinkydog
Member
11-30-2005
| Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 8:01 am
Hi Lateeda! I agree with you thoughts to the extent that a parent shouldn't punish a child without first explaining what is expected. However, who's their daddy? It's not Johnathan. I suspect if he was their daddy they would not be so lazy. Plus, I might have felt a little worse for them if I believed they did not realize they should be helping. But that is difficult to believe given the recent conversation, while Johnathan was fishing, that they should just wait for him to return so he could build the fire. That was more than just lazy, and bordering on malicious. They deserved to go hungry.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 8:13 am
Welcome Lateeda! That's an interesting perspective. It's kind of like trying to get a teenager out of bed early on a Saturday morning. You can do it but it may not be pleasant for you or the teenager. It's not necessarily that the teenager is lazy – he or she may work hard and study. They just aren't motivated to get out of bed, possibly because teens need more sleep or for whatever reason. Now none of these three are teens and based on past seasons they probably should be well aware of what they should be doing on Survivor with contributing. However, this is the first season that I can remember food being withheld from certain members of a tribe. I agree that if Jonathon cared and wanted to motivate them, he should have said something to them earlier. But why should he care? They were all mean to him earlier letting him do all the work and they knew what they were doing. Anyway, it was a dumb strategy on the three's part as it solidified Jonathon's position. It's not very inspiring to get rid of a guy who is getting you food, before three others that don't do anything and would have voted you off if they could.
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